From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun  1 07:18:03 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:18:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7DD@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Can anyone tell me the stock spring rate for the 1500 Spitfire's rear
spring?  This would be a swing-spring.



It's time to get the car back to the frame & spring shop.  The rear
spring has started to sag a little and we've now got what looks like 6-8
degrees of negative camber back there.  The tire temperatures are much
higher on the inner edges than in the middle and outer edges.  And the
car's twitchier than hell - very loose.



There's a non-stock spring back there now, which is a little too light
since I borrowed it from an 1147 car, along with its axles.  I'd like to
be able give the spring shop a benchmark for how stiff the stock spring
is.



Scott B.

From gt6steve at aol.com  Tue Jun  1 09:18:30 2010
From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 11:18:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7DD@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7DD@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <8CCCFB4D3A5F211-1F38-1EAF6@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>

I recall something like 800 Lbs for the GT6 spring.  That from the factory
workshop manual.

Perhaps it's specced out in the 1500 manual?





-----Original Message-----
From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 6:18 am
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate


Can anyone tell me the stock spring rate for the 1500 Spitfire's rear
pring?  This would be a swing-spring.

It's time to get the car back to the frame & spring shop.  The rear
pring has started to sag a little and we've now got what looks like 6-8
egrees of negative camber back there.  The tire temperatures are much
igher on the inner edges than in the middle and outer edges.  And the
ar's twitchier than hell - very loose.

There's a non-stock spring back there now, which is a little too light
ince I borrowed it from an 1147 car, along with its axles.  I'd like to
e able give the spring shop a benchmark for how stiff the stock spring
s.

Scott B.
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun  1 09:36:12 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:36:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate
In-Reply-To: <8CCCFB4D3A5F211-1F38-1EAF6@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7DD@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<8CCCFB4D3A5F211-1F38-1EAF6@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7F1@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Thanks - I'll have to check that out.  I don't have a Spit factory
manual - just the one for the GT6.  Time to get one, I suppose.





From: gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:gt6steve at aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:19 AM
To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate




I recall something like 800 Lbs for the GT6 spring.  That from the
factory workshop manual.



Perhaps it's specced out in the 1500 manual?



-----Original Message-----
From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 6:18 am
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate

Can anyone tell me the stock spring rate for the 1500 Spitfire's rear
spring?  This would be a swing-spring.



It's time to get the car back to the frame & spring shop.  The rear
spring has started to sag a little and we've now got what looks like 6-8
degrees of negative camber back there.  The tire temperatures are much
higher on the inner edges than in the middle and outer edges.  And the
car's twitchier than hell - very loose.



There's a non-stock spring back there now, which is a little too light
since I borrowed it from an 1147 car, along with its axles.  I'd like to
be able give the spring shop a benchmark for how stiff the stock spring
is.



Scott B.
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com <http://www.fot-racing.com/>

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com

From chasgee at aol.com  Tue Jun  1 10:17:30 2010
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 12:17:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7F1@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7DD@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><8CCCFB4D3A5F211-1F38-1EAF6@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7F1@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <8CCCFBD11DE5078-23F8-4B86@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com>

Try this: http://www.thedirtforum.com/leafspringrate.htm

It gives numbers that don't quite make sense for a transverse leaf spring
mounting, but it's an easy way to compare what you have to other options.  The
spring shop will also understand this number better.  It also jibes with what
you find when you measure the rate with a press and scales.

Your twitcheness and inside tire temperatures is most likely caused by too
much toe out at the rear.  The cars really like to wildly oversteer with even
a little bit of toe out.  Set the car up for 1/16 or, better yet, 1/8 toe in
per side.  This makes the car much more stable.

Chuck





-----Original Message-----
From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: gt6steve at aol.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:36 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate


Thanks - I'll have to check that out.  I don't have a Spit factory
anual - just the one for the GT6.  Time to get one, I suppose.


From: gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:gt6steve at aol.com]
ent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:19 AM
o: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net
ubject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate


 recall something like 800 Lbs for the GT6 spring.  That from the
actory workshop manual.

Perhaps it's specced out in the 1500 manual?

-----Original Message-----
rom: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
o: fot at autox.team.net
ent: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 6:18 am
ubject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate
Can anyone tell me the stock spring rate for the 1500 Spitfire's rear
pring?  This would be a swing-spring.

It's time to get the car back to the frame & spring shop.  The rear
pring has started to sag a little and we've now got what looks like 6-8
egrees of negative camber back there.  The tire temperatures are much
igher on the inner edges than in the middle and outer edges.  And the
ar's twitchier than hell - very loose.

There's a non-stock spring back there now, which is a little too light
ince I borrowed it from an 1147 car, along with its axles.  I'd like to
e able give the spring shop a benchmark for how stiff the stock spring
s.

Scott B.
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com <http://www.fot-racing.com/>
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun  1 10:33:18 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:33:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate
In-Reply-To: <8CCCFBD11DE5078-23F8-4B86@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7DD@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><8CCCFB4D3A5F211-1F38-1EAF6@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7F1@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<8CCCFBD11DE5078-23F8-4B86@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7F8@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Thanks.  We'll have to check the rear toe again.  We had it set up with
1/8th toe in at the rear, but maybe it has changed.  It's pretty stable
in a straight line, so I hadn't considered the toe question.



I'll check out the rate link, too.



Scott



From: chasgee at aol.com [mailto:chasgee at aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:18 AM
To: Barr, Scott; gt6steve at aol.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate




Try this: http://www.thedirtforum.com/leafspringrate.htm



It gives numbers that don't quite make sense for a transverse leaf
spring mounting, but it's an easy way to compare what you have to other
options.  The spring shop will also understand this number better.  It
also jibes with what you find when you measure the rate with a press and
scales.



Your twitcheness and inside tire temperatures is most likely caused by
too much toe out at the rear.  The cars really like to wildly oversteer
with even a little bit of toe out.  Set the car up for 1/16 or, better
yet, 1/8 toe in per side.  This makes the car much more stable.



Chuck


-----Original Message-----
From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 6:18 am
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate

Can anyone tell me the stock spring rate for the 1500 Spitfire's rear
spring?  This would be a swing-spring.



It's time to get the car back to the frame & spring shop.  The rear
spring has started to sag a little and we've now got what looks like 6-8
degrees of negative camber back there.  The tire temperatures are much
higher on the inner edges than in the middle and outer edges.  And the
car's twitchier than hell - very loose.



There's a non-stock spring back there now, which is a little too light
since I borrowed it from an 1147 car, along with its axles.  I'd like to
be able give the spring shop a benchmark for how stiff the stock spring
is.



Scott B.

From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Jun  1 12:19:53 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:19:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: 59 TR3 REBUILT TRANSMISSION
Message-ID: <892ED36C2F59493AB0B9C86DEF39E911@Bud>

Hi Gang..this looks like a good price for a TR3 tranny...it's in Sonoma
county, Ca..., about 1/2 way between Petaluma and Santa Rosa on Hwy. 101.
Racer Bud



http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/pts/1763800685.html

From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Jun  1 15:12:20 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 16:12:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Solved TR4 H6 starting
Message-ID: <000001cb01cf$20635570$612a0050$@com>

We were running the fuel bowls dry by shutting off the fuel pump on shut
down to try and solve the starting problem, which was the engine loading up
with fuel.  I think this caused the problem because when the fuel pump was
turned on a spurt of gas would shoot out of the jets.  The inlets on the
bowl covers are directly above the outlet from the bowl into the jet.  Until
the float rises in the empty bowl to shut off the flow we get that spurt of
gas causing a really rich mixture and the loading up.

                I just did a normal shut down of fuel off, ignition off.  On
startup I made sure to get the revs up to 2000 -2500 until the EGT's got
above 900.  I did about 6 test starts over the weekend, a couple after
sitting the car out in the sun (high 80's temperature) and had no problem.
I just have to wait about 30 - 40 seconds for the engine to warm up a bit
and everything is okay to go after that.  A nice idle at around 1500 - 1700.

 

                Thanks to all of the suggestions.  I'm still going to check
some of the other things mentioned but I think the basic problem was
starting on empty float bowls.  In trying to solve the problem when we had
sinking floats I caused the hard starting problem.

 

Tim and Ryan Murphy

1961 TR4 #317

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Jun  1 15:39:51 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 21:39:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Last weeks nomination
Message-ID: <192409507.3031451275428391293.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Last week Tyler Thompson was nominatedB with aB second. I don't think he has
been added to the list yet.

Jim G.



tylerpthompson at yahoo.com

From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Wed Jun  2 05:44:01 2010
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:44:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question
In-Reply-To: <314835.75410.qm@web180304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <314835.75410.qm@web180304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimRV7KAv0Te3FM4vKuocyuftXObPAXhkIkdoAY0@mail.gmail.com>

The Harbor Freight ramps work well but you need to reinforce them a little,
I add a 1 by 2  inch piece of aluminum on one side and a aluminum "L" angle
to the out side, works great for the price and light too. handles my TR-4
racer just fine. That is the one with the solid middle section.

rob deanes

On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Tim Pettenati <tpettenati at yahoo.com>wrote:

> All this talk of trailer ramps and then I spot the Harbor Freight Memorial
> Day
> sale flyer.  Hey those ramps look just like mine and I know the the PO
> couldn't pass on cheap barely adequate crap.  So I found the specs and they
> are rated at 1000 lbs per pair total.  Sounds a bit under spec. for a car
> that
> I'm guessing is about 1400+ lbs.
>
> After a bit of measuring - The ramps are 6
> ft. long and the Spit wheelbase is slightly longer. I only have a pair of
> wheels on the ramps at any time while loading and unloading.  So far they
> worked fine for a dozen or more cycles.
>
> If you are looking for the cheap
> adequate solution and have a short wheelbase, go find the HFreight coupon
> for
> $39.99.
>
> Tim
>  _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com

From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  2 09:23:27 2010
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:23:27 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Last weeks nomination
Message-ID: <mailman.7.1275492090.911.fot@autox.team.net>

Jim-

I am on the list and getting all the emails. Thanks for the nomination. As you know I can use all the help I can get figuring out how to catch you!

See you in Pueblo. 

Ty 
------Original Message------
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: fot
Subject: [Fot] Last weeks nomination
Sent: Jun 1, 2010 2:39 PM

Last week Tyler Thompson was nominatedB with aB second. I don't think he has
been added to the list yet.

Jim G.



tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com




Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jun  2 11:33:25 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:33:25 -0700
Subject: [Fot] The Cup event
Message-ID: <20100602133325.IQRDZ.607209.imail@fed1rmwml46>

Time is passing fast and only a couple more months to get your team ready for the Cup Race  in Topeka.  This is a great race track with huge paved tiered pit area.  You can see a lot of the course from the pits and there are some great observations points to watch the races.  Hope to see a lot of you Triumph guys there in he middle of August. 
--
Never be beaten by equipment

From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Jun  2 12:04:51 2010
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:04:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] The Cup event
In-Reply-To: <20100602133325.IQRDZ.607209.imail@fed1rmwml46>
References: <20100602133325.IQRDZ.607209.imail@fed1rmwml46>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimsvjzOj01K9TRLYOrltBeBALnOlfsnifgJjdfp@mail.gmail.com>

Unfortunately work is calling.  I am going to be on a project in England for
the next 7-10 months -- so, maybe next year.  Hope to find some way to rent
car and track time while I am there.  Will be in the Birmingham area -- any
insightful information  appreciated.

Wish good luck and good racing to all!

Will keep up on the FOT mail for sure.

Chuck

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:

> Time is passing fast and only a couple more months to get your team ready
> for the Cup Race  in Topeka.  This is a great race track with huge paved
> tiered pit area.  You can see a lot of the course from the pits and there
> are some great observations points to watch the races.  Hope to see a lot of
> you Triumph guys there in he middle of August.
> --
> Never be beaten by equipment
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com
>
>
>


-- 
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley

From lfritz82 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  2 21:30:27 2010
From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 23:30:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 for sale
Message-ID: <SNT143-w52BD9AEB0D3656C82D821DDAD10@phx.gbl>

I have a friend who is thinking of selling his TR6 race car.  If anyone is
interested contact him (Gary Sullivan) at sullivan141 at hughes.net.     Thanks
Lorne
_________________________________________________________________
The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with
Hotmail.
http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID2832
6::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4

From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jun  3 09:54:49 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 10:54:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kas Cup dates and links
Message-ID: <20100603155355.B67D6187679@autox.team.net>

I thought it would be helpful for all to have actual links to the 
event and hotel stuff for the Kas Cup in August, so I put this 
together.  I have nothing to do with the organization of this event, though.

Name and dates:
O'REILLY VINTAGE GRAND PRIX

AUGUST 19-22,  2010
AT HEARTLAND PARK TOPEKA
TOPEKA, KANSAS

Kastner Cup 2010 race website:
http://heartlandvintageracing.com/

Entry form:
http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/RaceCarEntry.pdf

Event schedule:
http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/Schedule.pdf

Hotel:
http://www.topekaramada.com/
Ask for the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix rate, I believe.

 From an earlier e-mail:
Topeka's Ramada Inn is sponsoring a dinner at the hotel on Thursday night.

This will be for all entrants, crew, and support people who are registered at
the hotel.

Cheers,
Tony Drews

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Jun  3 10:39:21 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 10:39:21 -0600
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kas Cup dates and links
In-Reply-To: <20100603155355.B67D6187679@autox.team.net>
References: <20100603155355.B67D6187679@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4C3760A3E1BE4219A9E486CDC484EBBD@hal9000>

Just FYI, the current event
schedule is going to be
changed.
The way it is now CP & DP are
scheduled to run just before
the cup and EP and FP run
right after the cup.
It's going to be changed to
give us a little separation
between events.
jg



-----Original Message-----
From:
fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team
.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010
9:55 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kas Cup
dates and links

I thought it would be helpful
for all to have actual links
to the 
event and hotel stuff for the
Kas Cup in August, so I put
this 
together.  I have nothing to
do with the organization of
this event, though.

Name and dates:
O'REILLY VINTAGE GRAND PRIX

AUGUST 19-22,  2010
AT HEARTLAND PARK TOPEKA
TOPEKA, KANSAS

Kastner Cup 2010 race website:
http://heartlandvintageracing.
com/

Entry form:
http://www.heartlandvintagerac
ing.com/RaceCarEntry.pdf

Event schedule:
http://www.heartlandvintagerac
ing.com/Schedule.pdf

Hotel:
http://www.topekaramada.com/
Ask for the Heartland Vintage
Grand Prix rate, I believe.

 From an earlier e-mail:
Topeka's Ramada Inn is
sponsoring a dinner at the
hotel on Thursday night.

This will be for all entrants,
crew, and support people who
are registered at
the hotel.

Cheers,
Tony Drews
______________________________
_________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate:
http://www.team.net/donate.htm
l
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums:
http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/
options/fot/toodamnfunky at comca
st.net

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Jun  3 18:49:26 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:49:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Attendees at HEARTLAND PARK?   JUST A SIMPLE RESPONSE
Message-ID: <8CCD196EAB41662-103C-75BA@webmail-d007.sysops.aol.com>

I'd like to report back to our hosts.

Just a simple

YES
NO
MAYBE

DRIVER
CREW

REPLY to me.

Thanks!

Joe A

From Catpusher at aol.com  Thu Jun  3 22:01:55 2010
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 00:01:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Subject:  TR3 wins at SCCA National
Message-ID: <7cd72.7d8c361a.3939d4b3@aol.com>

Hi Joe (B)
 
I just returned from a trip to Alaska, and add my congratulations!
 
Hardy
 
Date:  Tue, 18 May 2010 18:08:36 GMT
From: "Joe Boruch"  <jaboruch at netzero.net>
Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA  National
To:  fot at autox.team.net

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Jun  5 16:44:01 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 18:44:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <8CCD317BA00360F-1B0C-FB1A@Webmail-m121.sysops.aol.com>

Sam Halkias will join us at Heartland Park in August for the Kastner Cup. His
Plan is to bring SCCA Champ Car and a vintage TR6 racer.

I heard from RMVR and there is a strong group of TR4s heading out of the
mountains to the Central Plains.

I havnt heard  from VARA or SOVERN folks....well, Chuck Arnold will be in the
UK. And John James is unable to make it this year. We will miss both of them.

Looks like 30 plus cars at this point.

I am pleased.

Joe A

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sun Jun  6 16:12:29 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 18:12:29 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis
Message-ID: <20adb.15fbd512.393d774d@cs.com>

Does anyone know Steve Sargis?

Thanks</HTML>

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Jun  6 18:00:18 2010
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 20:00:18 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis
Message-ID: <24bac.201a8480.393d9092@aol.com>

Are you joking?  Everyone knows Steve Sargis!  He's a Triumph  hero!
 
Errr, wait..you mean Email...ermmm...no....never mind
 
Steve ;-))
 
 
In a message dated 6/6/2010 3:55:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
N197TR4 at cs.com writes:

Does  anyone know Steve  Sargis?

Thanks
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate:  http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:  http://www.team.net/archive
Forums:  http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:  http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com

From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  7 06:11:29 2010
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 05:11:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis
In-Reply-To: <24bac.201a8480.393d9092@aol.com>
Message-ID: <579800.89209.qm@web57601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I've seen Sargis race several times and had the chance to look over his red
Spitfire; both him and the car are incredibly interesting and fast.  Maybe
that is why he holds the fast lap for GP at Road America.
 
Ernie

--- On Sun, 6/6/10, Gt6steve at aol.com <Gt6steve at aol.com> wrote:


From: Gt6steve at aol.com <Gt6steve at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Steve Sargis
To: N197TR4 at cs.com, fot at autox.team.net
Cc: FOT at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, June 6, 2010, 7:00 PM


Are you joking?  Everyone knows Steve Sargis!  He's a Triumph  hero!

Errr, wait..you mean Email...ermmm...no....never mind

Steve ;-))


In a message dated 6/6/2010 3:55:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
N197TR4 at cs.com writes:

Does  anyone know Steve  Sargis?

Thanks
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate:  http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:  http://www.team.net/archive
Forums:  http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:  http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com

From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  7 06:11:29 2010
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 05:11:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis
In-Reply-To: <24bac.201a8480.393d9092@aol.com>
Message-ID: <579800.89209.qm@web57601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I've seen Sargis race several times and had the chance to look over his red
Spitfire; both him and the car are incredibly interesting and fast.  Maybe
that is why he holds the fast lap for GP at Road America.
 
Ernie

--- On Sun, 6/6/10, Gt6steve at aol.com <Gt6steve at aol.com> wrote:


From: Gt6steve at aol.com <Gt6steve at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Steve Sargis
To: N197TR4 at cs.com, fot at autox.team.net
Cc: FOT at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, June 6, 2010, 7:00 PM


Are you joking?  Everyone knows Steve Sargis!  He's a Triumph  hero!

Errr, wait..you mean Email...ermmm...no....never mind

Steve ;-))


In a message dated 6/6/2010 3:55:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
N197TR4 at cs.com writes:

Does  anyone know Steve  Sargis?

Thanks
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate:  http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:  http://www.team.net/archive
Forums:  http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:  http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Jun  7 07:15:05 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:15:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Bob Goes for a Sunday Drive
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1006070911030.26905@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I just got a new videa recoreder, a Motorsports Hero HD...

We (NER/SCCA) ran an autocross last Sunday and I shot some vids.

The weather was really bizarre as we were under a tornado watch pretty 
much all day and we even had some severe weather off and on during the 
day.

Anyway, check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNYKLxHNeE0

c ya,
rml
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Lang              Triumph TR6!!            |  This space for rent
2010 NER Solo Chair                            |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Jun  7 08:43:26 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 10:43:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT   Spitfires   and  Steve Sargis
Message-ID: <8CCD466EC45FB59-5B4-131B6@webmail-d025.sysops.aol.com>

FOT,

The reason for asking about Steve Sargis is about Spitfires.  Spitfire
interest for vintage racing has been growing.

I'd like to have the FOT invite Steve Sargis to the Heartland.

I am amazed at the growth of Triumph vintage racing in the central states.
Entries for this event bear that out. Having Steve Sargis there may be an
inspiration to more of the Sptifire/GT6 wanabees.

If it hadnt been for Bob Wismer in 1990 we would not have launched our
efforts, first with a Saab Sonnett, then the TR4, which we have run for 20
years.  I went from a long time wanabee to the vintage scene.  (Andre will
likely cut his teeth on the Fiat and then come back to TRs)

Sam Halkias is coming. Steve Sargis would be a nice addition. Hardy being
there would be VERY cool, I need discuss with him, yet, but he has really paid
his dues to the Triumph Community. Have not said anything to Jack Wheeler yet
either, but will.

Four National Champs at Heartland would be very cool.

Anyway....any support here would be appreciated. I dont know Steve Sargis, but
I think he may enjoy what we are doing. I know Kas would like to see him....he
was featured in Kas' first book.

Thanks,

Joe

From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Jun  7 15:16:07 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:16:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Attendees at HEARTLAND PARK?   JUST A SIMPLE RESPONSE
References: <8CCD196EAB41662-103C-75BA@webmail-d007.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <5FF421549D8C4C20A9EEE5674474DBD3@rocky>

When is it?

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:49 PM
Subject: [Fot] Attendees at HEARTLAND PARK? JUST A SIMPLE RESPONSE


> I'd like to report back to our hosts.
>
> Just a simple
>
> YES
> NO
> MAYBE
>
> DRIVER
> CREW
>
> REPLY to me.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe A
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com

From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Jun  7 18:02:22 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:02:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Bob Goes for a Sunday Drive
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1006070911030.26905@isis.mit.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1006070911030.26905@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <C77AFC692C2347589A0C2C84D2D4355C@joepentiumnew>

Bob, that was no autocross!  It was more like a Time Trial.  I like it.
Tiny Tim could really stretch his legs on a course like that.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Robert M. Lang
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 6:15 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Bob Goes for a Sunday Drive

Hi,

I just got a new videa recoreder, a Motorsports Hero HD...

We (NER/SCCA) ran an autocross last Sunday and I shot some vids.

The weather was really bizarre as we were under a tornado watch pretty 
much all day and we even had some severe weather off and on during the 
day.

Anyway, check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNYKLxHNeE0

c ya,
rml
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Lang              Triumph TR6!!            |  This space for rent
2010 NER Solo Chair                            |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net

From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Mon Jun  7 20:06:23 2010
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 20:06:23 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Henry and Jake go for Sunday drive
Message-ID: <SNT134-w31D08D6AB2A319CDA63C3C90D60@phx.gbl>

Also took the Dolly Sprint TR7 out for an Autocross in Santa Fe.  15 year old
Jake got a faster raw time than pops but when it came to cleaning up and not
knocking down pylons, youth succumbed to age.  Nonetheless, not looking good
for Dad after son's third autocross....................Cheers from New Mexico,
Henry Morrison

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Jun  7 20:47:23 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:47:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR's TVT MAGAZINE.....ISSUE #121 FOT Classic Motor Sports
Message-ID: <8CCD4CC0E8D1885-1C4C-564A@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com>

FOT


We are going to have a presence in the next TVT magazine issue as it relates
to the Kastner Cup.

I'd like to submit the names and cars of those that intend to race that
weekend.

name    car   state

I will also submit to Classic Motorsports as Tim has published the names in
the past.

Sam's appearance is a news item as well.

I still have not heard from several folks that I think are going to be
running

Joe

From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Jun  7 22:13:13 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 23:13:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  2010 Kas Cup dates and links
Message-ID: <20100608041238.418F8187649@autox.team.net>

Re-post - Tony


>I thought it would be helpful for all to have actual links to the 
>event and hotel stuff for the Kas Cup in August, so I put this 
>together.  I have nothing to do with the organization of this event, though.
>
>Name and dates:
>O'REILLY VINTAGE GRAND PRIX
>
>AUGUST 19-22,  2010
>AT HEARTLAND PARK TOPEKA
>TOPEKA, KANSAS
>
>Kastner Cup 2010 race website:
>http://heartlandvintageracing.com/
>
>Entry form:
>http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/RaceCarEntry.pdf
>
>Event schedule:
>http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/Schedule.pdf
>
>Hotel:
>http://www.topekaramada.com/
>Ask for the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix rate, I believe.
>
> From an earlier e-mail:
>Topeka's Ramada Inn is sponsoring a dinner at the hotel on Thursday night.
>
>This will be for all entrants, crew, and support people who are registered at
>the hotel.
>
>Cheers,
>Tony Drews

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Jun  8 08:05:44 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:05:44 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Crank split seal ring TR3/4 - advert
In-Reply-To: <20100608041238.418F8187649@autox.team.net>
References: <20100608041238.418F8187649@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <005101cb0713$b11c3520$13549f60$@com>

Hi guys,

some of you already know about but I would like to let you know about a new
split seal that I've created to serve three main goals:

1st - a dry crank seal to prevent clutch slickness
2nd - it should be cheap and easy done
3rd - best available material for racing purpose

Starting from this I invented a split seal ring that can be used with the
stock crank without grinding off the scroll.
Only the aluminum ring needs a little rework to make the split seal ring fit
which can be easy done on a lathe for cheap money.
The split seal is made out of Viton and can stand very high revs and also
temperatures.

So this is only for guys who run a stock crank.
So you have two seals, stock and the new split seal to make the rear dry.

Currently I've let made 20 rings which are almost sold out except 3 to
today. If there is interest I could make another run of rings.
You can get the rings from ARE Joe Alexander who will include an installing
kit with the ring if you like (centering tool for the stock aluminum ring).

For further information you can have a look here:

http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/splitseal.pdf

Cheers
Chris

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Jun  8 09:01:02 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 11:01:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Crank split seal ring TR3/4 - advert
In-Reply-To: <005101cb0713$b11c3520$13549f60$@com>
References: <20100608041238.418F8187649@autox.team.net>
	<005101cb0713$b11c3520$13549f60$@com>
Message-ID: <8CCD5328C0AEE62-1C4C-B348@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com>

Just to add to this, ISOA folks are doing an installation and writing a
comprehensive article on Christian's new seal. The article will be published
later this year by Mike Cook in VTR's TVT Magazine.

I installed one in the AMBRO and impressed with the results. I am still
chasing oil wetness in various areas of the engine, but to no fault of the
seal. Christian has some race weekends on his installation with a dry seal
area.

There is a special holding fixture for the OEM Scroll Seal, designed by
Christian. I hope to have a couple of them produced for our use in North
America. We also have a design for the Scroll Centering Tool that has the
correct dimensions...as the factory manuals are incorrect.

I hope to produce these Scroll Centering Tools in quantity, at a low price, so
everyone can easily have one.

Christian is making a contribution to the Triumph Community with these
designs. Especially to the FOT.

Joe A






-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 8, 2010 9:05 am
Subject: [Fot] Crank split seal ring TR3/4 - advert


Hi guys,
some of you already know about but I would like to let you know about a new
plit seal that I've created to serve three main goals:
1st - a dry crank seal to prevent clutch slickness
nd - it should be cheap and easy done
rd - best available material for racing purpose
Starting from this I invented a split seal ring that can be used with the
tock crank without grinding off the scroll.
nly the aluminum ring needs a little rework to make the split seal ring fit
hich can be easy done on a lathe for cheap money.
he split seal is made out of Viton and can stand very high revs and also
emperatures.
So this is only for guys who run a stock crank.
o you have two seals, stock and the new split seal to make the rear dry.
Currently I've let made 20 rings which are almost sold out except 3 to
oday. If there is interest I could make another run of rings.
ou can get the rings from ARE Joe Alexander who will include an installing
it with the ring if you like (centering tool for the stock aluminum ring).
For further information you can have a look here:
http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/splitseal.pdf
Cheers
hris
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com

From riverside at southslope.net  Tue Jun  8 15:54:16 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:54:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] oil filter/cooler adapter
Message-ID: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

I am looking for an adapter to allow use of spin on oil filter
on TR3/4 engine.  It needs to have fittings to run lines to and
from an oil cooler.  Moss shows one for the TR6 635-285.
Anybody know of a similar one for the tractor motor?
Thanks.

art de armond

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Jun  8 16:40:03 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:40:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] oil filter/cooler adapter
In-Reply-To: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <8906DBA0-B51E-472F-8631-2926747CBB91@earthlink.net>

Art,

I'm pretty sure the spin-on filter adapter and the oil-cooler adapter  
(sandwich) plate are two separate parts.
The spin-on filter adapter attaches to the filter head and is readily  
available for about 30 bucks.  It accepts a Fram PH3600 filter or Fram  
HP10 racing filter.
Between the filter head and the engine block is a sandwich plate which  
contains two strategically placed fittings for the oil cooler.  I have  
a few of these in different styles.
Let me know if you're interested.

~Steve


On Jun 8, 2010, at 2:54 PM, riverside wrote:

I am looking for an adapter to allow use of spin on oil filter
on TR3/4 engine.  It needs to have fittings to run lines to and
from an oil cooler.  Moss shows one for the TR6 635-285.
Anybody know of a similar one for the tractor motor?
Thanks.

art de armond
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net

From billb at bnj.com  Tue Jun  8 17:01:51 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:01:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] oil filter/cooler adapter
In-Reply-To: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <4372F6E4-2A1E-4E16-A453-7D9B0E4D7D9D@bnj.com>

Contact Gregg Solow. You need one that gets the flow right, some of the
adapters are a little screwy. I know Greggs is proper, others may be too.
On Jun 8, 2010, at 2:54 PM, riverside wrote:

> I am looking for an adapter to allow use of spin on oil filter
> on TR3/4 engine.  It needs to have fittings to run lines to and
> from an oil cooler.  Moss shows one for the TR6 635-285.
> Anybody know of a similar one for the tractor motor?
> Thanks.
>
> art de armond
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Jun  8 17:07:58 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 23:07:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spax shock info for IRS cars
Message-ID: <815993532.1405211276038478532.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Greetings

I blew out one of my Spax adjustables on the rear in a minor shunt. I had a
bit of a time

finding a replacement. As it turns out my shocks are custom madeB for BPNW for
lowered springs.

I had to call Spax to find that out.

So, for those of you running the spax shocks that were originally intended for
street springs ( Dan)

and go to lowered springs you will find out the Spax shocks for street
springsB are 1.5" longer than

the shocks made for lowered springs. Your springs will want to fall out of the
perches when raised.

I don't know what affect this may have on overall shock travel.

The part number is G3072 ( stamped in the body ) and they come in gas charged
( labeled as Gas

Krypton ) or non-gas charged just labeled Spax. I have both types at the
moment and the part

number doesn't differentiate, same for both.

Just FYI



Jim G


B 

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Tue Jun  8 17:20:47 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:20:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] oil filter/cooler adapter
In-Reply-To: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <037201cb0761$3a331700$0301a8c0@randall>

> Anybody know of a similar one for the tractor motor?

Revington offers several different styles of cooler adapters for the TR3-4;
including a spin-on plus cooler adapter.  

I believe they also offer a complete filter head (rather than an adapter),
which might be preferable for racing.  While I've never had one break, the
hollow center bolt used with the common spin-on adapters seems kind of
flimsy to me, and having those hoses hanging off  can only add more strain.

Randall

From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Tue Jun  8 19:13:09 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 21:13:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 engines
Message-ID: <4C0EEAA5.3050708@cfl.rr.com>

Question for GT6 experts. I think have a MK1 with an engine block number 
KC460L. Is this a MK1 block. The head, however, is obviously a later MK2 
or 3 head and is using a head gasket set that says "GT6 MK3 head gasket 
set recessed". Other clues might be the main bearings which are VP91253 
and rod bearings VP91252. It does have cam bearings.

thxx,
Bob

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Tue Jun  8 19:41:13 2010
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 21:41:13 EDT
Subject: [Fot] GT6 engines
Message-ID: <16f5c.70ec13d4.39404b39@aol.com>

That's an interesting piece.  Tell us about the crank....
 
 
In a message dated 6/8/2010 6:30:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com writes:

Question  for GT6 experts. I think have a MK1 with an engine block number 
KC460L. Is  this a MK1 block. The head, however, is obviously a later MK2 
or 3 head  and is using a head gasket set that says "GT6 MK3 head gasket 
set  recessed". Other clues might be the main bearings which are VP91253 
and  rod bearings VP91252. It does have cam  bearings.

thxx,
Bob
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate:  http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:  http://www.team.net/archive
Forums:  http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:  http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com

From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Tue Jun  8 19:45:26 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 18:45:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] oil filter/cooler adapter
In-Reply-To: <037201cb0761$3a331700$0301a8c0@randall>
References: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<037201cb0761$3a331700$0301a8c0@randall>
Message-ID: <4C0EF236.3090905@greenheart.com>

Back in the very late 70s, I had one of those "hollow center bolts" 
break on my street TR4A's spin-on adapter.   I took it to a machnist and 
he took one look at the broken part and told me that the way it had been 
made, it was practically designed to break.   The new one that he made 
looked like NASA would have approved of it.

--Justin

Randall wrote:

>>Anybody know of a similar one for the tractor motor?
>>    
>>
>
>Revington offers several different styles of cooler adapters for the TR3-4;
>including a spin-on plus cooler adapter.  
>
>I believe they also offer a complete filter head (rather than an adapter),
>which might be preferable for racing.  While I've never had one break, the
>hollow center bolt used with the common spin-on adapters seems kind of
>flimsy to me, and having those hoses hanging off  can only add more strain.
>
>Randall
>_______________________________________________
>fot at autox.team.net
>
>http://www.fot-racing.com
>
>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner at greenheart.com

From bownes at seiri.com  Tue Jun  8 20:34:52 2010
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 22:34:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] oil filter/cooler adapter
In-Reply-To: <4C0EF236.3090905@greenheart.com>
References: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<037201cb0761$3a331700$0301a8c0@randall>
	<4C0EF236.3090905@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinry4VtOBHfSoBQkQ9qra0rAugOfklcesKnPIme@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like the kingpins on my godfather's 1936 MG VA. He bought it in 37,
broke a kingpin in 43 or so. No way he was getting a replacement in the
middle of the War. He owned a company that made and sold pumps, so he went
down to the machine shop and had the shop foreman make him a new set. When
one of those broke in about 1998, he went down to the shop, cornered the
foreman and complained about the shoddy materials and workmanship to the
very same foreman (with a large grin on his face I'm sure).

Said foreman told him 'George, come back this afternoon and I'll have you a
new set.'

Lo, and behold, that afternoon a new set was delivered. New kingpins, ways,
and all the associated bits all made from titanium. (complete with
appropriate bolts to prevent galling).

Foreman told him 'George, I'll guarantee these for the rest of our lives',
with an equally large grin. Both of them were over 90.

George passed on a few years later, as did the machinist. But the kingpins
roll on in that VA.

iii


On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Justin Wagner <jmwagner at greenheart.com>wrote:

> Back in the very late 70s, I had one of those "hollow center bolts"
> break on my street TR4A's spin-on adapter.   I took it to a machnist and
> he took one look at the broken part and told me that the way it had been
> made, it was practically designed to break.   The new one that he made
> looked like NASA would have approved of it.
>
> --Justin
>
> Randall wrote:
>
> >>Anybody know of a similar one for the tractor motor?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Revington offers several different styles of cooler adapters for the
> TR3-4;
> >including a spin-on plus cooler adapter.
> >
> >I believe they also offer a complete filter head (rather than an adapter),
> >which might be preferable for racing.  While I've never had one break, the
> >hollow center bolt used with the common spin-on adapters seems kind of
> >flimsy to me, and having those hoses hanging off  can only add more
> strain.
> >
> >Randall
> >_______________________________________________
> >fot at autox.team.net
> >
> >http://www.fot-racing.com
> >
> >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> >Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner at greenheart.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com

From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Tue Jun  8 20:23:22 2010
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 22:23:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Henry and Jake go for Sunday drive
In-Reply-To: <SNT134-w31D08D6AB2A319CDA63C3C90D60@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT134-w31D08D6AB2A319CDA63C3C90D60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <92860A9414704C43B692519A2ECBBF9E@INSPIRON>

Thats great enjoy your son.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:06 PM
Subject: [Fot] Henry and Jake go for Sunday drive


> Also took the Dolly Sprint TR7 out for an Autocross in Santa Fe.  15 year 
> old
> Jake got a faster raw time than pops but when it came to cleaning up and 
> not
> knocking down pylons, youth succumbed to age.  Nonetheless, not looking 
> good
> for Dad after son's third autocross....................Cheers from New 
> Mexico,
> Henry Morrison
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/19to1tr6 at comcast.net

From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jun  8 21:26:07 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 21:26:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 engines
In-Reply-To: <4C0EEAA5.3050708@cfl.rr.com>
References: <4C0EEAA5.3050708@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4C0F09CF.2010300@bradakis.com>

I'm working from a dusty old memory here, but didn't the early Mark 1 
engines
with the straight port heads use 3/8 inch head studs instead of the 
later 7/16ths ??

mjb.

From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jun  8 21:50:17 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 21:50:17 -0600
Subject: [Fot] That was unusual
Message-ID: <4C0F0F79.7070709@bradakis.com>

I received something today that I have not seen for a while.

A paycheck.

The amount was pretty modest, since it only covered a couple of days.
But I took a job as a parts driver for the local Parts Plus distributor a
week or so back.  The pay sucks, the benefits are non-existent and I
am spending a lot of money on gas.  I'm driving around the Salt Lake
valley to the tune of about 200 miles a day.   I wish the CRV got 250
miles to the gallon instead of 25 - spare change for gas money, anyone?

At least I can get anything the warehouse sells for wholesale, and the
Honda is due for an oil change.  And Frank Edwards carries a lot of
stuff, so I'm able to save a few bucks on many things I need.

We'll see how long it lasts.  It is basically brainless work, a smarter than
average chimpanzee could handle most of it, my Master's degree in
Computer Science is not exactly called into play here.  But it gets me
out of the house so I don't spend all day frumping and fretting at the
keyboard.

But with all the driving I do I may not be inclined to drive to Topeka
this August as I planned.  I may fly in, but then again by August my
body may be so contoured to match the CRV driver's seat I'll have
no choice...

mjb.

From gasket.works at gte.net  Tue Jun  8 22:41:06 2010
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:41:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] That was unusual
Message-ID: <1151711506-1276058454-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1050343932-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I hear that CNG in utah is about 70 cents for a gallon equivalent.  Honda.

------Original Message------
From: Mark J Bradakis
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] That was unusual
Sent: Jun 8, 2010 8:50 PM

I received something today that I have not seen for a while.

A paycheck.

The amount was pretty modest, since it only covered a couple of days.
But I took a job as a parts driver for the local Parts Plus distributor a
week or so back.  The pay sucks, the benefits are non-existent and I
am spending a lot of money on gas.  I'm driving around the Salt Lake
valley to the tune of about 200 miles a day.   I wish the CRV got 250
miles to the gallon instead of 25 - spare change for gas money, anyone?

At least I can get anything the warehouse sells for wholesale, and the
Honda is due for an oil change.  And Frank Edwards carries a lot of
stuff, so I'm able to save a few bucks on many things I need.

We'll see how long it lasts.  It is basically brainless work, a smarter than
average chimpanzee could handle most of it, my Master's degree in
Computer Science is not exactly called into play here.  But it gets me
out of the house so I don't spend all day frumping and fretting at the
keyboard.

But with all the driving I do I may not be inclined to drive to Topeka
this August as I planned.  I may fly in, but then again by August my
body may be so contoured to match the CRV driver's seat I'll have
no choice...

mjb.
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net




Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Wed Jun  9 04:19:37 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 06:19:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 engines
In-Reply-To: <16f5c.70ec13d4.39404b39@aol.com>
References: <16f5c.70ec13d4.39404b39@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C0F6AB9.40203@cfl.rr.com>

Steve,

Have not seen the inside of the engine so can't comment on the crank. It 
is cut at .030 under so it probably wont last long anyway.  You may have 
run across the car since it is kind of in your neck of the woods. The 
car (red) is for sale in Berkley, CA. Looks to be a decent car except 
for the good chance it is a MK1 block and crank. Owner is not 
particularly knowledgeable about the GT6 so can't tell me much about the 
origins of the engine. The picture does show a later head on it and the 
studs appear to be 7/16ths.

Bob

On 6/8/2010 9:41 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
> That's an interesting piece.  Tell us about the crank....
> In a message dated 6/8/2010 6:30:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
> rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com writes:
>
>     Question for GT6 experts. I think have a MK1 with an engine block
>     number
>     KC460L. Is this a MK1 block. The head, however, is obviously a
>     later MK2
>     or 3 head and is using a head gasket set that says "GT6 MK3 head
>     gasket
>     set recessed". Other clues might be the main bearings which are
>     VP91253
>     and rod bearings VP91252. It does have cam bearings.
>
>     thxx,
>     Bob
>     _______________________________________________
>     fot at autox.team.net
>
>     http://www.fot-racing.com
>
>     Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>     Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>     Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>     Unsubscribe:
>     http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Jun  9 06:52:16 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 08:52:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] That was unusual
In-Reply-To: <4C0F0F79.7070709@bradakis.com>
References: <4C0F0F79.7070709@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <8CCD5E9B91A9196-B40-E7BF@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>

You have to come to Topeka. You are a VIP.

Joe A






-----Original Message-----
From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: 'Friends of Triumph' <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Jun 8, 2010 10:50 pm
Subject: [Fot] That was unusual


I received something today that I have not seen for a while.

A paycheck.

The amount was pretty modest, since it only covered a couple of days.
But I took a job as a parts driver for the local Parts Plus distributor a
week or so back. The pay sucks, the benefits are non-existent and I
am spending a lot of money on gas. I'm driving around the Salt Lake
valley to the tune of about 200 miles a day. I wish the CRV got 250
miles to the gallon instead of 25 - spare change for gas money, anyone?

At least I can get anything the warehouse sells for wholesale, and the
Honda is due for an oil change. And Frank Edwards carries a lot of
stuff, so I'm able to save a few bucks on many things I need.

We'll see how long it lasts. It is basically brainless work, a smarter than
average chimpanzee could handle most of it, my Master's degree in
Computer Science is not exactly called into play here. But it gets me
out of the house so I don't spend all day frumping and fretting at the
keyboard.

But with all the driving I do I may not be inclined to drive to Topeka
this August as I planned. I may fly in, but then again by August my
body may be so contoured to match the CRV driver's seat I'll have
no choice...

mjb.
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com

From riverside at southslope.net  Wed Jun  9 09:52:13 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 10:52:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] oil filter/cooler adapter
Message-ID: <003001cb07eb$baa0cb00$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Many thanks to all the repliers.
As always, there was much very
useful info!

art de armond

From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Wed Jun  9 10:58:48 2010
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 09:58:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re:  oil filter/cooler adapter
Message-ID: <4C0FC848.50204@gmail.com>

Subject: 	Re: [Fot] oil filter/cooler adapter
Date: 	Wed, 09 Jun 2010 09:57:20 -0700
From: 	TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
To: 	riverside <riverside at southslope.net>, Triumph List 
<triumphs at autox.team.net>



On 6/8/10 2:54 PM, riverside wrote:
>  I am looking for an adapter to allow use of spin on oil filter
>  on TR3/4 engine.  It needs to have fittings to run lines to and
>  from an oil cooler.  Moss shows one for the TR6 635-285.
>  Anybody know of a similar one for the tractor motor?
>
>
I had one of the Moss adapters and didn't like it.  I replaced it with
one that Greg Solow of Greg Solow's Engine Room had made up.  I like the
design a lot better.

<gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>

Teriann

From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Wed Jun  9 12:40:50 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:40:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Crank split seal ring TR3/4 - advert
In-Reply-To: <005101cb0713$b11c3520$13549f60$@com>
References: <20100608041238.418F8187649@autox.team.net>
	<005101cb0713$b11c3520$13549f60$@com>
Message-ID: <000001cb0803$48f10430$dad30c90$@com>

Good work Chris!  Just a note on the Moss alignment mandrel for the rear
seal.  It is the wrong diameter, just a bit oversize.  It is made of what I
think is Delrin and I had mine turned down to 2.814-2.815 (71.48mm
-71.50mm).  Now it is about the correct size.  You wrote that you used 2.818
(71.57mm).  I've only had to use it once as now that the two halves of the
aluminum "seal" are bolted to the block and cap I've had no reason to remove
them, so far!  I would also note that the oil "drain" hole is critical to
the stock seal working correctly and the felt seal on the sides of the cap
are also critical to the sealing of the rear main.  I've attached a couple
of Kas's old posts regarding this.  I made my punches out of brass, just
easier to machine, and I use 1 inch pieces of the felt seal at a time and
pound them in.  I get felt coming out of the gaps on the sides of the cap if
I'm doing it right.  I've done the seals 3 times now and I just have a bit
of the weeping that Kas mentions.  If anybody wants to borrow my mandrel
contact me off list.  As I said you usually only need to align the aluminum
halves once.

Tim Murphy
1961 TR4 #317

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:06 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Crank split seal ring TR3/4 - advert

Hi guys,

some of you already know about but I would like to let you know about a new
split seal that I've created to serve three main goals:

1st - a dry crank seal to prevent clutch slickness
2nd - it should be cheap and easy done
3rd - best available material for racing purpose

Starting from this I invented a split seal ring that can be used with the
stock crank without grinding off the scroll.
Only the aluminum ring needs a little rework to make the split seal ring fit
which can be easy done on a lathe for cheap money.
The split seal is made out of Viton and can stand very high revs and also
temperatures.

So this is only for guys who run a stock crank.
So you have two seals, stock and the new split seal to make the rear dry.

Currently I've let made 20 rings which are almost sold out except 3 to
today. If there is interest I could make another run of rings.
You can get the rings from ARE Joe Alexander who will include an installing
kit with the ring if you like (centering tool for the stock aluminum ring).

For further information you can have a look here:

http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/splitseal.pdf

Cheers
Chris
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/msword which had a name of Kas Kastner, Rear Seal Installation.doc]

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jun  9 13:28:31 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:28:31 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Crank split seal ring TR3/4 - advert
Message-ID: <518a4.486feb30.3941455f@cs.com>

Great note Tim!   

Yes! Someone determined that the factory dimensions we wrong.

Thanks for letting us know about the Moss offering...I wondered about that.

I'll let Christian answer this, but he made a change to the mandril 
dimension to reflect a dimension closer to the one you just mentioned.

71.55 mm

(The mandrils that I am producing will reflect Christian's final dimensions 
and will be lower cost than the current Moss Motors offering)  I think 
Christian got it all right.

Finally, you are correct about the drain back tubes. There are two of them 
and I just had the recent experience of plugging the small one with 
disastrous results. First time it has happened in 40+  so I was due, eh?

Regards,

Joe A




> Good work Chris!  Just a note on the Moss alignment mandrel for the rear
> seal.  It is the wrong diameter, just a bit oversize.  It is made of what I
> think is Delrin and I had mine turned down to 2.814-2.815 (71.48mm
> -71.50mm).  Now it is about the correct size.  You wrote that you used 
> 2.818
> (71.57mm).  I've only had to use it once as now that the two halves of the
> aluminum "seal" are bolted to the block and cap I've had no reason to 
> remove
> them, so far!  I would also note that the oil "drain" hole is critical to
> the stock seal working correctly and the felt seal on the sides of the cap
> are also critical to the sealing of the rear main.  I've attached a couple
> of Kas's old posts regarding this.  I made my punches out of brass, just
> easier to machine, and I use 1 inch pieces of the felt seal at a time and
> pound them in.  I get felt coming out of the gaps on the sides of the cap 
> if
> I'm doing it right.  I've done the seals 3 times now and I just have a bit
> of the weeping that Kas mentions.  If anybody wants to borrow my mandrel
> contact me off list.  As I said you usually only need to align the aluminum
> halves once.
> 
> Tim Murphy
> 1961 TR4 #317
> 

</HTML>

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jun  9 13:43:08 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:43:08 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis invited to the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix
Message-ID: <52c1a.38473bff.394148cc@cs.com>

FOT:

Steve Sargis has formally been invited to the HVGP.  

He is going to make a final decision following the June Sprints. If all 
goes very well, it will help him make a decision.

In the meantime, we might keep close track of Sam and Steve's progress all 
of the way through the RUNOFFs.

If I understand it correctly, Steve is going to field two Spitfires at the 
Runoffs. One in HP Production and one in GP.  (The FOT may also want to 
consider attendance at Road America. This may be the making of some great 
history)

Regards,

Joe Alexander</HTML>

From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jun  9 15:27:45 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:27:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis invited to the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix
In-Reply-To: <52c1a.38473bff.394148cc@cs.com>
Message-ID: <20100609172745.IYL8D.704812.imail@fed1rmwml36>

I think it is fair and timely to remind everyone that the "CUP " is presented for Vintage cars. Regretfully the SCCA cars are just too far away from production specifications, but they are a gas to watch. It is not always, or I might seldom the winner of the race, but the person performing in an outstanding fashion. The performance along with the presentation of their car and their interest and participation in Vinrtage racing that make up the values for the "Cup".

.
---- N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: 

=============
FOT:

Steve Sargis has formally been invited to the HVGP.  

He is going to make a final decision following the June Sprints. If all 
goes very well, it will help him make a decision.

In the meantime, we might keep close track of Sam and Steve's progress all 
of the way through the RUNOFFs.

If I understand it correctly, Steve is going to field two Spitfires at the 
Runoffs. One in HP Production and one in GP.  (The FOT may also want to 
consider attendance at Road America. This may be the making of some great 
history)

Regards,

Joe Alexander</HTML>
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net



--
Never be beaten by equipment

From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Wed Jun  9 17:05:13 2010
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 19:05:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis invited to the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix
Message-ID: <17479185.1276124713409.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Fot if Steve does run 2 cars they will be HP and FP .  Joe


-----Original Message-----
>From: N197TR4 at cs.com
>Sent: Jun 9, 2010 3:43 PM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis invited to the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix
>
>FOT:
>
>Steve Sargis has formally been invited to the HVGP.  
>
>He is going to make a final decision following the June Sprints. If all 
>goes very well, it will help him make a decision.
>
>In the meantime, we might keep close track of Sam and Steve's progress all 
>of the way through the RUNOFFs.
>
>If I understand it correctly, Steve is going to field two Spitfires at the 
>Runoffs. One in HP Production and one in GP.  (The FOT may also want to 
>consider attendance at Road America. This may be the making of some great 
>history)
>
>Regards,
>
>Joe Alexander</HTML>
>_______________________________________________
>fot at autox.team.net
>
>http://www.fot-racing.com
>
>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsiam1 at earthlink.net
>
>


Chequered Flag Racing .net
Joseph P. Siam
9833 Deering Ave unit I
Chatsworth Ca 91311
818 350 6222

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Jun  9 19:32:01 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 21:32:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis invited to the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix
In-Reply-To: <17479185.1276124713409.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <17479185.1276124713409.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8CCD653DC18D0E8-B40-19EF9@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>

yup...i be wrong....thanks!





-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Siam <jsiam1 at earthlink.net>
To: N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, Jun 9, 2010 6:05 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Steve Sargis invited to the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix


Fot if Steve does run 2 cars they will be HP and FP .  Joe

----Original Message-----
From: N197TR4 at cs.com
Sent: Jun 9, 2010 3:43 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis invited to the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix

FOT:

Steve Sargis has formally been invited to the HVGP.

He is going to make a final decision following the June Sprints. If all
goes very well, it will help him make a decision.

In the meantime, we might keep close track of Sam and Steve's progress all
of the way through the RUNOFFs.

If I understand it correctly, Steve is going to field two Spitfires at the
Runoffs. One in HP Production and one in GP.  (The FOT may also want to
consider attendance at Road America. This may be the making of some great
history)

Regards,

Joe Alexander</HTML>
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsiam1 at earthlink.net



hequered Flag Racing .net
oseph P. Siam
833 Deering Ave unit I
hatsworth Ca 91311
18 350 6222

From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 10 09:33:07 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 08:33:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Fw:  [fot] need help locating parts for MGA
Message-ID: <26BD1ECA5652472BBCEB62D1CD331DEF@Bud>

Hi Guys! You won't believe it but I have both! And for sale as well! A frame
and a body!

Let me know if I can help.

Chris

(415-350-1695

In a message dated 5/22/2010 5:54:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
budscars at comcast.net writes:
  Hi Gang...
  Maybe someone can help...this request came to me via FOT(Friends of
  Triumph)....to contact the proper parties, click on the seacube link or the
  ablake link below
  Racer Bud
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Seacubeco" <seaCubeCo at aol.com>
  To: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>

  Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 4:31 PM
  Subject: [Fot] [fot] need help locating parts for mga


  > Fellow freaks of cars from across the pond
  >
  > My friend just crashed his 58 MGA race car today and I am putting out
  > feelers for parts.  So far from guessing we will need body pannels and  a
  > frame.  I an sure we will needore things but those will get us started
  >
  >
  > Thank you
  > Chris Bock
  > _______________________________________________
  > fot at autox.team.net
  >
  > http://www.fot-racing.com
  >
  > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
  > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
  > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
  > Unsubscribe:
  > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu Jun 10 10:30:27 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:30:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Greg Hilyer is Back! Making appearance at Heartland TR4 #314
Message-ID: <92414.6c007be6.39426d23@cs.com>

Greg Hilyer finally surfaced after disappearing into the Gila Mountains a 
few months ago.  

He and Connie plan to bring the #314 TR4.

Always fast, he is likely to be a front runner.

Connie is going to drive the TR4, too.

But wait there is more....he is working an FOT shirt project. When the 
details come together, it will be presented to the FOT for an assessment of 
interest. That's all I know at the moment.  Regards,  Joe Alexander</HTML>

From ikorey at comcast.net  Thu Jun 10 11:45:22 2010
From: ikorey at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:45:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Greg Hilyer is Back! Making appearance at Heartland TR4
 #314
In-Reply-To: <92414.6c007be6.39426d23@cs.com>
References: <92414.6c007be6.39426d23@cs.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinYZWB-NaEnKLb3kE4Tpl6-x63Sn2b9wA7Un8Ts@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:30 AM, <N197TR4 at cs.com> wrote:

> Greg Hilyer finally surfaced after disappearing into the Gila Mountains a
> few months ago.
>
> He and Connie plan to bring the #314 TR4.
>
> Always fast, he is likely to be a front runner.
>
> Connie is going to drive the TR4, too.
>
> But wait there is more....he is working an FOT shirt project.


Does that mean the shirts will be purple?

;-)

Irv Korey

From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 10 14:34:37 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:34:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] AWAL?
In-Reply-To: <92414.6c007be6.39426d23@cs.com>
References: <92414.6c007be6.39426d23@cs.com>
Message-ID: <71F3699C-41D9-4995-98F8-36082082F32A@earthlink.net>

Gee, didn't even know I was on the AWAL list. Nice to know one is  
missed though Joe.

Yes, tee-shirts are in the works. Should have something fun for all  
to see later next week. Details to follow.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Jun 10, 2010, at 10:30 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> Greg Hilyer finally surfaced after disappearing into the Gila  
> Mountains a
> few months ago.
>
> He and Connie plan to bring the #314 TR4.
>
> Always fast, he is likely to be a front runner.
>
> Connie is going to drive the TR4, too.
>
> But wait there is more....he is working an FOT shirt project. When the
> details come together, it will be presented to the FOT for an  
> assessment of
> interest. That's all I know at the moment.  Regards,  Joe  
> Alexander</HTML>
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ 
> lunkercars at earthlink.net

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Jun 10 14:47:43 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:47:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Greg Hilyer is Back! Making appearance at Heartland TR4
 #314
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinYZWB-NaEnKLb3kE4Tpl6-x63Sn2b9wA7Un8Ts@mail.gmail.com>
References: <92414.6c007be6.39426d23@cs.com>
	<AANLkTinYZWB-NaEnKLb3kE4Tpl6-x63Sn2b9wA7Un8Ts@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ECB794EB81DE4B719B13B123925568A7@hal9000>

Great news, I'm looking
forward to seeing you again.
About being a front runner, I
have no doubt. Sorry you
couldn't make it to the
Trans-Am. Were having our FoT
crawfish party this weekend.
Were partying like rockstars,
slightly older rockstars
anyway.

Jim G.

-----Original Message-----
From:
fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team
.net] On Behalf Of Irv Korey
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010
11:45 AM
To: N197TR4 at cs.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Greg Hilyer
is Back! Making appearance at
Heartland TR4 #314

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:30
AM, <N197TR4 at cs.com> wrote:

> Greg Hilyer finally surfaced
after disappearing into the
Gila Mountains a
> few months ago.
>
> He and Connie plan to bring
the #314 TR4.
>
> Always fast, he is likely to
be a front runner.
>
> Connie is going to drive the
TR4, too.
>
> But wait there is more....he
is working an FOT shirt
project.


Does that mean the shirts will
be purple?

;-)

Irv Korey
______________________________
_________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate:
http://www.team.net/donate.htm
l
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums:
http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/
options/fot/toodamnfunky at comca
st.net

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Jun 10 20:45:57 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:45:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] CONTRACT WRENCH AVAILABLE AT HEARTLAND
Message-ID: <8CCD7275ACC282B-237C-6DCD@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>

FOT HEARTLAND ENTRANTS.......

For those that know Jon Wood from the UK, know that he is a crack mechanic.

He also knows a ton of 'speed secrets' they have developed in the UK and
Europe.

He will be available for consultation and emergency wrenching.

He has a voracious appetite for food and beer.

A little contract wrenching at a modest hourly rate will sustain him.

He was in my garage for a week last fall. You have to ask specific questions,
but his knowledge base is incredible.

Here is your chance.

Joe A

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Jun 11 11:24:21 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:24:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] HEARTLAND REPORT-ENTRIES   FORECAST IS VERY GOOD ON ENTRIES
Message-ID: <8CCD7A210A9260A-155C-1813@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>

FOT:

We will miss several folks that we would love to see. Not many from the far
reaches of the North American coastlines are able to justify the tow.


If we had a tiny country like Switzerland it might be different....no matter,
there is a stalwart band of FOTs represented here in the Heartland. I amazed
at the number of TR4s that plan to come. It appears that we have about 25 cars
eligible for the Kastner Cup and over 30 Drivers planning to register.

Sam Halkias is coming to support the FOT as he says we have supported him.
Steve Sargis is waiting for his results from the JUNE SPRINTS to make a
decision to join us. His plate is full with prep time on both HP and FP
Spitfires for the SCCA RUNOFFS.

But Rob Deanes plans to come from Wilmington, NC. He changing his usual
schedule to join us. Jeff Snook is bringing his TR3. Keith Files will arrive
from London with his entourage to drive his US Based Sebring TR4.

I am still waiting for confirmation from about 10 Drivers regarding their
appearances....we hope they come as they add a lot of value to the Kastner
Cup.

In addition to the TR drivers there is going to be a wide assortment of
interesting characters in attendance. I'll leave those guys as a surprise.
There might be a couple musical instruments making an appearance for some
impromptu sessions.

There will be a very strong club presence as well as vendors.....as you know
the Kastner Cup event is being heavily supported by O'Reilly Auto PARTS.

OH YES!  Kas & Peg are driving in to be with us.

Ramada Inn is the FOT HOTEL and they are feeding us on Thursday night.

HEARTLANDVINTAGERACING.COM    for more info and links.

Thanks!

From klynch_6 at msn.com  Fri Jun 11 15:50:52 2010
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:50:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] from Sarah Bonnier
Message-ID: <SNT123-DS22C4BFF9621E4675CF7BCB7D90@phx.gbl>

Helping
out a friend...ALL SCCA MEMBERS! The SCCA Solo F350 was stolen last
night in Manassas, VA. It's a white, crew cab F350 dually pickup with
Kansas tags and SCCA stickers on the side windows. Contact Howard Duncan
(hduncan at scca.com) if you see it (after contacting the police, of
course!). Cut, paste, and... repost

K Lynch

From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Jun 11 16:54:39 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:54:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SCCA PICKUP TRUCK STOLEN IN VIRGINIA
Message-ID: <6AC6F359700548BDACC913E4E2151F29@Bud>

Helping
out a friend...ALL SCCA MEMBERS! The SCCA Solo F350 was stolen last
night in Manassas, VA. It's a white, crew cab F350 dually pickup with
Kansas tags and SCCA stickers on the side windows. Contact Howard Duncan
(hduncan at scca.com) if you see it (after contacting the police, of
course!). Cut, paste, and... repost

K Lynch

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Jun 11 19:03:12 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:03:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Black Hawk Farms      Father's Day Weekend
Message-ID: <8CCD7E22A0A0D41-138C-12619@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com>

Who all will be there....?

This weekend is looking pretty racy.

Perhaps moderating temps and humidity......

Sean is primary driver once again...Mark is back up.


Then 10 days on the Blue Ridge Parkway in sports cars. A vacation would be
nice.

From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 11 19:26:54 2010
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:26:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Bowling Green suggestions
Message-ID: <146893.6510.qm@web57603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hey Gang:
 
Scott Barr and myself will be leaving Wisconsin tomorrow to hang out for an
evening in Bowling Green after stops in Indy and Nashville.  Any suggestions
for dining and libations? 
 
Thanks,
 
Ernie

From triosan at gmail.com  Sat Jun 12 02:14:12 2010
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:14:12 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: A good article on the danger of fire
In-Reply-To: <64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com>
	<64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>

For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the Miata and
the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe it to
yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
yourself -- I sure got a good lesson
Chuck

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/


Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Jun 12 06:12:58 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:12:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] HEARTLAND      ROBERT JOHNS meets CHUCK MCGUIRE at Topeka
Message-ID: <8CCD83FBACB4FE0-138C-19359@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com>

Of course you know Robert (Bob) Johns as the Triumph Factory Driver who drove
the 12 Hours of Sebring with Mordy Dunst's father-in-law, Mike Rothschild.

It turns out that Des Moines' Chuck McGuire was in Germany at about the same
time as Bob. Chuck tells of a run on the Autobahn with a 190SL, with his TR3
outrunning the 190SL going up the hills and the 190SL catching him on the
downside.

Chuck returned from Germany with his TR3 to race it at GREENWOOD in the 60s.
Chuck and his wife are going to join us in the FOT Paddock....with the same
TR3.  You want to be in the Paddock when these two meet and tell stories? I
think so.

Chuck has restored four TR3s, one for each of his children. At 75 he is
stilling chasing cars down America's Autobahn.

Robert and Chuck are on our VIP List.

Welcome them!

From dave at microworks.net  Sat Jun 12 10:25:31 2010
From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:25:31 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: A good article on the danger of fire
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com><64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com>
	<AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C0CD49ECE014EFEAF52E81BE5CDDC18@sys>

Thanks!

It says they don't know what caused the fire but while reading it and what
happened I think I know and can easily see what he did wrong.

I'll bet there was a fuel leak which started the smoke and then the fire
fire.  He put the fire out but kept driving.  The initial fire had melted
fuel line and with the motor still running it now was not a fuel leak but a
fuel gusher.  As he says in the article the second fire came with a BOOM.

If in a fire kill the fire AND the motor.  Don't try to continue driving to
the next corner station like he did.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 1:14 AM
To: Friends
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: A good article on the danger of fire

For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the Miata and
the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe it to
yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
yourself -- I sure got a good lesson
Chuck

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/


Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Jun 12 19:13:57 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:13:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING
Message-ID: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>

Sean is working on TR4  #197 for Blackhawk Farms.

After running some heat cycles the tanks expanded.

Cause....radiator cap?

Help!

Failure may be imminent. We might have a back up radiator, but that's not
likely the problem.

I dont think he is seeing bubbles in the coolant.

I dont think he is seeing anything go into the overflow bottle.

TIA
Joe

From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Jun 12 22:14:17 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:14:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING
In-Reply-To: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100613041327.4E1DC18763E@autox.team.net>

Plugged overflow line could be an issue - Even with a too high 
pressure cap I'd have a hard time seeing it build up enough pressure 
to make the radiator fail.  If the overflow line is plugged solid, 
you can build pressure until something gives the water a place to 
expand into - blow off a line, bust the radiator, or whatever.

- Tony

At 08:13 PM 6/12/2010, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
>Sean is working on TR4  #197 for Blackhawk Farms.
>
>After running some heat cycles the tanks expanded.
>
>Cause....radiator cap?
>
>Help!
>
>Failure may be imminent. We might have a back up radiator, but that's not
>likely the problem.
>
>I dont think he is seeing bubbles in the coolant.
>
>I dont think he is seeing anything go into the overflow bottle.
>
>TIA
>Joe
>_______________________________________________
>fot at autox.team.net
>
>http://www.fot-racing.com
>
>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com

From BillDentin at aol.com  Sun Jun 13 07:27:27 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 09:27:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING
Message-ID: <ebe97.721fdcc7.394636bf@aol.com>

Joe, et al...

Are you sure there is not a bubble in the system?

Bill

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jun 13 07:57:06 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:57:06 +0200
Subject: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING
In-Reply-To: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000901cb0b00$50721370$f1563a50$@com>

Hi Joe,

think about to get a CO2 leak tester...cheap, easy done after each run, and
relaiable to tell you if you have a leak at the head gasket.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von n197tr4 at cs.com
Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. Juni 2010 03:14
An: fot at autox.team.net; seanax at iowalaser.com; alex3rail at mchsi.com
Betreff: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING

Sean is working on TR4  #197 for Blackhawk Farms.

After running some heat cycles the tanks expanded.

Cause....radiator cap?

Help!

Failure may be imminent. We might have a back up radiator, but that's not
likely the problem.

I dont think he is seeing bubbles in the coolant.

I dont think he is seeing anything go into the overflow bottle.

TIA
Joe
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Jun 13 08:18:39 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 10:18:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING
In-Reply-To: <000901cb0b00$50721370$f1563a50$@com>
References: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
	<000901cb0b00$50721370$f1563a50$@com>
Message-ID: <8CCD91A7462DFF7-19A0-1CA49@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com>

OK!   Sean can pursue that.

Did you hear back from Mark Eden yet, on the Seal?

Thanks!

Joe






-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net; seanax at iowalaser.com
Sent: Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:57 am
Subject: AW: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING


Hi Joe,
think about to get a CO2 leak tester...cheap, easy done after each run, and
elaiable to tell you if you have a leak at the head gasket.
Cheers
hris
-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
on: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
uftrag von n197tr4 at cs.com
esendet: Sonntag, 13. Juni 2010 03:14
n: fot at autox.team.net; seanax at iowalaser.com; alex3rail at mchsi.com
etreff: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING
Sean is working on TR4  #197 for Blackhawk Farms.
After running some heat cycles the tanks expanded.
Cause....radiator cap?
Help!
Failure may be imminent. We might have a back up radiator, but that's not
ikely the problem.
I dont think he is seeing bubbles in the coolant.
I dont think he is seeing anything go into the overflow bottle.
TIA
oe
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe:
ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com

From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Sun Jun 13 11:36:10 2010
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 13:36:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] foam
Message-ID: <37BE92B1174F4B7298061C3DFAA56C0C@INSPIRON>

Hello all   Just changed the oil in the Atype OD and ran it up to 3000 rpm
and engaged the od a couple of times  On Rechecking the oil level I found it
foamy. I have not come across this in the past. I don't know what is normal.
Any thoughts       thanks     rob

From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jun 13 12:15:15 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 11:15:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Bobby Whitehead scores DP win with CVAR @ Hallett OK.
In-Reply-To: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <442353.31216.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Just had to toot my horn... SOMEHOW I managed to place 1st in DP @ Hallett OK
during our soggy run April 16-18...  WOW.... just shows to go the fastest car
is not always the winner...
There's a driver in DP that has a Lotus Super
Seven that is obviuosly a lot faster car than mine but the idiot drives one
way...balls to the walls... and into the grass... and spinning out repeatedly
....  SO   according to the most recent Victory Lane...  I'm published!

GT6's
RULE!

Bobby Whitehead
#39 CVAR DP Triumph GT6+
________________________________

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Jun 13 13:58:27 2010
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:58:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Bobby Whitehead scores DP win with CVAR @ Hallett OK.
Message-ID: <84038.1946352.39469263@aol.com>

Huzzah! Huzzah!  Way to go Bobby!  Hallett's a good track for our  cars and 
you were the driver to exploit the conditions.  Good  Job!!

 
 
In a message dated 6/13/2010 12:46:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
igofaster at att.net writes:

Just had  to toot my horn... SOMEHOW I managed to place 1st in DP @ Hallett 
OK
during  our soggy run April 16-18...  WOW.... just shows to go the fastest  
car
is not always the winner...
There's a driver in DP that has a Lotus  Super
Seven that is obviuosly a lot faster car than mine but the idiot  drives one
way...balls to the walls... and into the grass... and spinning  out 
repeatedly
....  SO   according to the most recent  Victory Lane...  I'm published!

GT6's
RULE!

Bobby  Whitehead
#39 CVAR DP Triumph  GT6+
________________________________
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate:  http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:  http://www.team.net/archive
Forums:  http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:  http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com

From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jun 13 16:41:09 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 16:41:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Bobby Whitehead scores DP win with CVAR @ Hallett OK.
In-Reply-To: <442353.31216.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
	<442353.31216.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C155E85.3070909@bradakis.com>

Nice.  Good work.

mjb.

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Jun 13 16:53:38 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:53:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Bobby Whitehead scores DP win with CVAR @ Hallett OK.
In-Reply-To: <442353.31216.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
	<442353.31216.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CCD9626555F638-17A4-3282D@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com>

Everybody will be watching you very closely at  The Heartland...

There will be a lot of pressure for you to perform now.

Bring Viagara






-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
To: FoT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:15 pm
Subject: [Fot] Bobby Whitehead scores DP win with CVAR @ Hallett OK.


Just had to toot my horn... SOMEHOW I managed to place 1st in DP @ Hallett OK
uring our soggy run April 16-18...  WOW.... just shows to go the fastest car
s not always the winner...
here's a driver in DP that has a Lotus Super
even that is obviuosly a lot faster car than mine but the idiot drives one
ay...balls to the walls... and into the grass... and spinning out repeatedly
...  SO   according to the most recent Victory Lane...  I'm published!
GT6's
ULE!
Bobby Whitehead
39 CVAR DP Triumph GT6+
_______________________________
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com

From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 13 19:58:21 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:58:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING
In-Reply-To: <8CCD91A7462DFF7-19A0-1CA49@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
	<000901cb0b00$50721370$f1563a50$@com>
	<8CCD91A7462DFF7-19A0-1CA49@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <390868.5523.qm@web46105.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Joe;
I am with Tony and some of the other posts.  I have been fighting head
issues for the last two months.  I am with Tony.  The over flow must be
plugged.  My first head problem was water pump interference.  I had so much
pressure it was like a fountain squirting from the over flow.  If it had been
plugged it would have expaned the radiator or burst a hose.  It does seem
strange that a hose would not have ruptured first.  
Mike Mehl
________________________________
From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To:
tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net; seanax at iowalaser.com
Sent: Sun,
June 13, 2010 7:18:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS
EXPANDING

OK!  Sean can pursue that.

Did you hear back from Mark Eden yet,
on the Seal?

Thanks!

Joe






-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx
<tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net;
seanax at iowalaser.com
Sent: Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:57 am
Subject: AW: [Fot] TOP &
BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING


Hi Joe,
think about to get a CO2 leak
tester...cheap, easy done after each run, and
elaiable to tell you if you have
a leak at the head gasket.
Cheers
hris
-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
on:
fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
uftrag von
n197tr4 at cs.com
esendet: Sonntag, 13. Juni 2010 03:14
n: fot at autox.team.net;
seanax at iowalaser.com; alex3rail at mchsi.com
etreff: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR
TANKS EXPANDING
Sean is working on TR4  #197 for Blackhawk Farms.
After
running some heat cycles the tanks expanded.
Cause....radiator cap?
Help!
Failure may be imminent. We might have a back up radiator, but that's not
ikely the problem.
I dont think he is seeing bubbles in the coolant.
I dont
think he is seeing anything go into the overflow bottle.
TIA
oe
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive:
http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe:
ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com

From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 13 20:28:22 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 20:28:22 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Bobby Whitehead scores DP win with CVAR @ Hallett OK.
In-Reply-To: <442353.31216.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
	<442353.31216.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5812702E-2308-46CF-B696-E17636031DD8@earthlink.net>

A BIG congrats Bobby! I watched that race and the differences were  
dramatic - Lotus fast but scary - Bobby quick and consistent.
Good for you. And who needs a stinkin' Toyota gearbox.
See you in Topeka.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM

On Jun 13, 2010, at 12:15 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote:

> Just had to toot my horn... SOMEHOW I managed to place 1st in DP @  
> Hallett OK
> during our soggy run April 16-18...  WOW.... just shows to go the  
> fastest car
> is not always the winner...
> There's a driver in DP that has a Lotus Super
> Seven that is obviuosly a lot faster car than mine but the idiot  
> drives one
> way...balls to the walls... and into the grass... and spinning out  
> repeatedly
> ....  SO   according to the most recent Victory Lane...  I'm  
> published!
>
> GT6's
> RULE!
>
> Bobby Whitehead
> #39 CVAR DP Triumph GT6+
> ________________________________
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ 
> lunkercars at earthlink.net

From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Sun Jun 13 20:28:48 2010
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 20:28:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Lunker and Walt spotted during 24 hours of Le Mans
Message-ID: <SNT134-w298245F3376CE9169531CA90DC0@phx.gbl>

Yes there they were TR4 and TR6 during the Sandia Motorspeedway advertisement
albeit, only in the Albuquerque area, but there they
were!....................Cheers Henry Morrison

From mrtommmmm at netscape.net  Mon Jun 14 13:01:08 2010
From: mrtommmmm at netscape.net (mrtommmmm at netscape.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:01:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] tr4 fender
Message-ID: <8CCDA0B14CD4C7C-1230-8C0@webmail-d064.sysops.aol.com>

 anyone have a RH front outer fender for a 63 tr4?
yes they hard to find, so here i am trying.
thx for any replies.
t.a.

From s.janzen at comcast.net  Mon Jun 14 15:28:54 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:28:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com>
	<64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com>
	<AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>

I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt  
system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend  
to do any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the  
Miata fire, and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a  
fire, having water which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines  
on the shirt which can melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's  
worth.  Has this ever been addressed - does SCCA allow these systems,  
and if so, how is it reconciled with the requirement to wear fire- 
retardant materials?

On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these  
slips over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a  
quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my  
wrists or from the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I  
don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because  
it blocks visibility to the side mirror.

On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:

For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the  
Miata and
the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe  
it to
yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
yourself -- I sure got a good lesson
Chuck

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/


Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net

From bownes at seiri.com  Mon Jun 14 16:41:20 2010
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:41:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com>
	<64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com>
	<AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinx5_VIqKoILQ4r3zZ-aD_qEiAMSG88fND1ooMv@mail.gmail.com>

Scott,
The arm restraints I use have a D ring on the bottom which the clips
for the shoulder harnesses pass through right before they go into the
cam lock. As soon as I pop the cam, it all falls apart.

Fast, easy,simple.
Bob.



On 6/14/10, Scott Janzen <s.janzen at comcast.net> wrote:
> I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
> system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend
> to do any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the
> Miata fire, and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a
> fire, having water which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines
> on the shirt which can melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's
> worth.  Has this ever been addressed - does SCCA allow these systems,
> and if so, how is it reconciled with the requirement to wear fire-
> retardant materials?
>
> On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these
> slips over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a
> quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my
> wrists or from the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I
> don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because
> it blocks visibility to the side mirror.
>
> On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:
>
> For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the
> Miata and
> the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe
> it to
> yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
> yourself -- I sure got a good lesson
> Chuck
>
> http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/
>
>
> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com

From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Jun 14 17:08:40 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:08:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com><64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com><AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8C84189332E04CA294A160F8E24B7E46@rocky>

Hmmmm. My last race a couple weeks ago it was really hot so I decided to go 
out without the Nomex underwear, just the multi-layer suit. After reading 
that story I may never do that again (my previous season I did four races in 
100+ weather with full gear on -- not so bad really, especially when impound 
greets you with a cold washcloth and a cup of water).

Got no answers on cool shirts. Never tried one. But I've always made sure my 
bottom layer (regular underwear and socks under the Nomex undoes) was 100% 
cotton, not polyester. I understand the cotton layer is worth another 3-4 
seconds of protection.

Arm restraints ... me too. Always wondered why they didn't just put metal 
D-rings on them. I saw someone put the cloth loops over the ends of the 
shoulder harness, so I tried it. Didn't like it. I decided that was harder 
to get loose then when I hooked them on the lap belt. My cuffs slip on, like 
yours, and I wear them up around the elbows and will slide off easily (but 
in an emergency escape that's an extra move). Makes me wonder about the guys 
who have them sewn to their driver suits. BTW, you can get window nets that 
are a finer mesh instead of inch-wide straps.

--Rocky Entriken
  GP (okay HP now) Spitfire


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 4:28 PM
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems


> I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
> system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend
> to do any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the
> Miata fire, and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a
> fire, having water which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines
> on the shirt which can melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's
> worth.  Has this ever been addressed - does SCCA allow these systems,
> and if so, how is it reconciled with the requirement to wear fire-
> retardant materials?
>
> On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these
> slips over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a
> quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my
> wrists or from the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I
> don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because
> it blocks visibility to the side mirror.
>
> On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:
>
> For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the
> Miata and
> the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe
> it to
> yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
> yourself -- I sure got a good lesson
> Chuck
>
> http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/
>
>
> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com

From horizonracing at msn.com  Mon Jun 14 17:42:01 2010
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:42:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com>,
	<64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com>,
	<AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>,
	<0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <SNT141-w42BA74728B8586CD397A47B2DC0@phx.gbl>

In 1988, Gerhard Berger Crashed in a Ferrari (F1) and there was a pretty good
fire. The 3rd degree burns he got, were from the sweet in his cotton tee shirt
boiling.



As for arm restraints, I think you will find the most commonly used at dirt
tracks (sprint/midgets) are the slip over the arm type or "D" rings sewn
(spl?) into the sleeves below the elbow with separate tethers. Not the ones
that form a "y" at the tether.Those boys crash the most offen and hard ! I use
the Simpson brand and have done so for past 15 plus years.



cheers

Tony









> From: s.janzen at comcast.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:28:54 -0400
> Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
>
> I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
> system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend
> to do any time the temperature is over 65. I read this article on the
> Miata fire, and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a
> fire, having water which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines
> on the shirt which can melt, near my skin is more hazardous than it's
> worth. Has this ever been addressed - does SCCA allow these systems,
> and if so, how is it reconciled with the requirement to wear fire-
> retardant materials?
>
> On a related thought, I also use arm restraints. One end of these
> slips over the lap belt component of the harness. If I had to make a
> quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my
> wrists or from the belts. Is there a better way to anchor these? I
> don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because
> it blocks visibility to the side mirror.
>
> On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:
>
> For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the
> Miata and
> the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe
> it to
> yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
> yourself -- I sure got a good lesson
> Chuck
>
> http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/
>
>
> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com

From adams910 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 14 18:51:43 2010
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:51:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <SNT141-w42BA74728B8586CD397A47B2DC0@phx.gbl>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com>
	<64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com>
	<AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
	<SNT141-w42BA74728B8586CD397A47B2DC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTindgSE6phcXQAFvT_O7BgN5wHR3C4ImbEXXaiAH@mail.gmail.com>

Being boiled in a suit that is soaking wet is a real issue. We were
paddocked alongside a FF driver who had two suits, so if one got wet, he
would use the dry one. It made enough sense to him to justify having two
suits (probably due to a first hand experience!).

As for the cool suit, it's a closed loop system, surrounded by your drivers
suit, and is sewn into a nomex undershirt. The fluid is also constantly
moving through as long as the pump is still running. The only way I can see
it being a problem is if it is leaking in your drivers suit. Otherwise, I
think you would have much bigger problems before a fire burned through, or
burst the line from the heat.

- Bob

From jgambony at gcecisp.com  Mon Jun 14 19:55:42 2010
From: jgambony at gcecisp.com (Jim Gambony)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:55:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com><64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com><AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <9AAEBA63066F417E90D5DAD463985FF8@jrg>

Didn't there used to be a system that fed cool filtered air into the helmet?
At minimum it was a hose from the outside of the car into the helmet, if not
something more sophisticated?

I'm blowing a potential money making opportunity by suggesting this, but I'd
think a blower fan with an air line running through a cooler of icewater
into the helmet (with appropriate flame traps and maybe even a temp
sensitive cutoff) would get most of the same effect as a cool shirt, without
the burn potential from water turning to steam in the suit.

When the system is on you'd pull cool air into your helmet (and lungs)
cooling a good bit of the torso and the head.  

On one of the other racing forums someone had proposed the idea of dousing
his racing suit with a quart of water before the start as a way to keep
cool.. I suggested that it'd be ok unless the car catches fire.. Then the
advantage would be negated.    Dry air makes a good insulator, hence the
fiberglass bats in the walls/attic.  Water takes more energy to heat up, but
it conducts much too well.

Back to my idea.. With proper engineering and choice of materials it could
be done safely.    Anyone looking for such a system?



Cheers,

Jim
Dallas 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 4:29 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems

I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend to do
any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the Miata fire,
and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a fire, having water
which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines on the shirt which can
melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's worth.  Has this ever been
addressed - does SCCA allow these systems, and if so, how is it reconciled
with the requirement to wear fire- retardant materials?

On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these slips
over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a quick exit,
these things basically don't just slip off, either from my wrists or from
the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I don't like the idea of
a window net in lieu of arm restraints because it blocks visibility to the
side mirror.

On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:

For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the Miata and
the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe it to
yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
yourself -- I sure got a good lesson Chuck

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/


Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jgambony at gcecisp.com



No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2937 - Release Date: 06/14/10
13:35:00

From s.janzen at comcast.net  Mon Jun 14 20:04:03 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:04:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <9AAEBA63066F417E90D5DAD463985FF8@jrg>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com><64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com><AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
	<9AAEBA63066F417E90D5DAD463985FF8@jrg>
Message-ID: <BAD01804-BB27-4907-81D7-E5C16A39ECED@comcast.net>

'fraid somebody beat you to it. http://www.coolshirt.net/racing-cool-air-system.html 
   However, I tried one of the ventilation systems once w/o the  
cooler, and found that the corrugated hose to the helmet tended to get  
hung up on the edge of my aluminum seat, etc - really limited head  
movement.


On Jun 14, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Jim Gambony wrote:

Didn't there used to be a system that fed cool filtered air into the  
helmet?
At minimum it was a hose from the outside of the car into the helmet,  
if not
something more sophisticated?

I'm blowing a potential money making opportunity by suggesting this,  
but I'd
think a blower fan with an air line running through a cooler of icewater
into the helmet (with appropriate flame traps and maybe even a temp
sensitive cutoff) would get most of the same effect as a cool shirt,  
without
the burn potential from water turning to steam in the suit.

When the system is on you'd pull cool air into your helmet (and lungs)
cooling a good bit of the torso and the head.

On one of the other racing forums someone had proposed the idea of  
dousing
his racing suit with a quart of water before the start as a way to keep
cool.. I suggested that it'd be ok unless the car catches fire.. Then  
the
advantage would be negated.    Dry air makes a good insulator, hence the
fiberglass bats in the walls/attic.  Water takes more energy to heat  
up, but
it conducts much too well.

Back to my idea.. With proper engineering and choice of materials it  
could
be done safely.    Anyone looking for such a system?



Cheers,

Jim
Dallas

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 4:29 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems

I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend  
to do
any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the Miata  
fire,
and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a fire, having  
water
which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines on the shirt which  
can
melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's worth.  Has this ever  
been
addressed - does SCCA allow these systems, and if so, how is it  
reconciled
with the requirement to wear fire- retardant materials?

On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these slips
over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a quick  
exit,
these things basically don't just slip off, either from my wrists or  
from
the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I don't like the  
idea of
a window net in lieu of arm restraints because it blocks visibility to  
the
side mirror.

On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:

For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the  
Miata and
the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe  
it to
yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
yourself -- I sure got a good lesson Chuck

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/


Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jgambony at gcecisp.com



No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2937 - Release Date: 06/14/10
13:35:00

From jgambony at gcecisp.com  Mon Jun 14 20:13:22 2010
From: jgambony at gcecisp.com (Jim Gambony)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:13:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <BAD01804-BB27-4907-81D7-E5C16A39ECED@comcast.net>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com><64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com><AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
	<9AAEBA63066F417E90D5DAD463985FF8@jrg>
	<BAD01804-BB27-4907-81D7-E5C16A39ECED@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <7B65A1EF369343948723745AC1CBCBBB@jrg>

Scott,
 
That sounds more like a hose routing issue..not insurmountable.
 
Then again, I guess I'm a masochist.   Afterall, I moved to Dallas
voluntarily from the east coast (you need to experience a DC summer to
understand humidity) 20 years ago and now drive around in a car without a/c
during the summer.    Good training for vintage racing.
 
 
 
Cheers,
 
Jim
Dallas

  _____  

From: Scott Janzen [mailto:s.janzen at comcast.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:04 PM
To: Jim Gambony
Cc: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems


'fraid somebody beat you to it.
http://www.coolshirt.net/racing-cool-air-system.html  However, I tried one
of the ventilation systems once w/o the cooler, and found that the
corrugated hose to the helmet tended to get hung up on the edge of my
aluminum seat, etc - really limited head movement. 

From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Mon Jun 14 21:29:51 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:29:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <66241AA5CA51471E9E31B3B221F99D5C@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Interesting feedback from all.

25 years ago, I used to soak the top of my nomex underwear in water on
really hot days.  I was always a bit concerned about it flashing to steam in
a fire, but it was mostly to keep me cool on pregrid.  By the second or
third lap, it was all evaporated.  Now days, I use a triple layer suit.
Never had a problem at speed, but then I have always raced open cars.

I have a Pyrotech helmet with an air feed as used on a lot of off road cars.
I bought it with the thought of blowing air into the helmet on rainy days to
keep the visor clear (we race mainly in Portland so...)  anyway, I've never
needed to use it, but the concept exists and is really not that expensive.

With regards to arm restraints, I just make sure that the loop on the
restraint is over the metal buckle and not up on the shoulder belt itself.
It falls off no problem.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 2:29 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems


I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend
to do any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the
Miata fire, and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a
fire, having water which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines
on the shirt which can melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's
worth.  Has this ever been addressed - does SCCA allow these systems,
and if so, how is it reconciled with the requirement to wear fire-
retardant materials?

On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these
slips over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a
quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my
wrists or from the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I
don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because
it blocks visibility to the side mirror.

On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:

For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the
Miata and
the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe
it to
yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
yourself -- I sure got a good lesson Chuck

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/


Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net

From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Jun 15 00:16:14 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:16:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <66241AA5CA51471E9E31B3B221F99D5C@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <20100615021614.8WHP7.772687.imail@fed1rmwml45>

Interesting.  In the GTP cars we found that , or rather Geoff Brabham found that, having a skull cap was just as good as a vest. We used to change the ice in the cool suit box on the the pit stops when using the vest. But, it it fails, you are hopeless. In the short races of the Vintage crowd, a skull cap should be perfect.
---- Norlin Engineering <norlinengineering at comcast.net> wrote: 

=============
Interesting feedback from all.

25 years ago, I used to soak the top of my nomex underwear in water on
really hot days.  I was always a bit concerned about it flashing to steam in
a fire, but it was mostly to keep me cool on pregrid.  By the second or
third lap, it was all evaporated.  Now days, I use a triple layer suit.
Never had a problem at speed, but then I have always raced open cars.

I have a Pyrotech helmet with an air feed as used on a lot of off road cars.
I bought it with the thought of blowing air into the helmet on rainy days to
keep the visor clear (we race mainly in Portland so...)  anyway, I've never
needed to use it, but the concept exists and is really not that expensive.

With regards to arm restraints, I just make sure that the loop on the
restraint is over the metal buckle and not up on the shoulder belt itself.
It falls off no problem.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 2:29 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems


I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend
to do any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the
Miata fire, and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a
fire, having water which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines
on the shirt which can melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's
worth.  Has this ever been addressed - does SCCA allow these systems,
and if so, how is it reconciled with the requirement to wear fire-
retardant materials?

On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these
slips over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a
quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my
wrists or from the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I
don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because
it blocks visibility to the side mirror.

On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:

For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the
Miata and
the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe
it to
yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
yourself -- I sure got a good lesson Chuck

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/


Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net



--
Never be beaten by equipment

From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Jun 15 00:16:29 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:16:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <66241AA5CA51471E9E31B3B221F99D5C@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <20100615021629.LJAVS.772689.imail@fed1rmwml45>

Interesting.  In the GTP cars we found that , or rather Geoff Brabham found that, having a skull cap was just as good as a vest. We used to change the ice in the cool suit box on the the pit stops when using the vest. But, it it fails, you are hopeless. In the short races of the Vintage crowd, a skull cap should be perfect.
---- Norlin Engineering <norlinengineering at comcast.net> wrote: 

=============
Interesting feedback from all.

25 years ago, I used to soak the top of my nomex underwear in water on
really hot days.  I was always a bit concerned about it flashing to steam in
a fire, but it was mostly to keep me cool on pregrid.  By the second or
third lap, it was all evaporated.  Now days, I use a triple layer suit.
Never had a problem at speed, but then I have always raced open cars.

I have a Pyrotech helmet with an air feed as used on a lot of off road cars.
I bought it with the thought of blowing air into the helmet on rainy days to
keep the visor clear (we race mainly in Portland so...)  anyway, I've never
needed to use it, but the concept exists and is really not that expensive.

With regards to arm restraints, I just make sure that the loop on the
restraint is over the metal buckle and not up on the shoulder belt itself.
It falls off no problem.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 2:29 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems


I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend
to do any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the
Miata fire, and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a
fire, having water which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines
on the shirt which can melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's
worth.  Has this ever been addressed - does SCCA allow these systems,
and if so, how is it reconciled with the requirement to wear fire-
retardant materials?

On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these
slips over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a
quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my
wrists or from the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I
don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because
it blocks visibility to the side mirror.

On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:

For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the
Miata and
the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe
it to
yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
yourself -- I sure got a good lesson Chuck

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/


Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net



--
Never be beaten by equipment

From rocky at spitfire4.com  Tue Jun 15 20:27:43 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:27:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
Message-ID: <C168E90AFD9D4073B19D08AE7C129696@rocky>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>; "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems


> Hmmmm. My last race a couple weeks ago it was really hot so I decided to 
> go out without the Nomex underwear, just the multi-layer suit. After 
> reading that story I may never do that again (my previous season I did 
> four races in 100+ weather with full gear on -- not so bad really, 
> especially when impound greets you with a cold washcloth and a cup of 
> water).
>
> Got no answers on cool shirts. Never tried one. But I've always made sure 
> my bottom layer (regular underwear and socks under the Nomex undoes) was 
> 100% cotton, not polyester. I understand the cotton layer is worth another 
> 3-4 seconds of protection.
>
> Arm restraints ... me too. Always wondered why they didn't just put metal 
> D-rings on them. I saw someone put the cloth loops over the ends of the 
> shoulder harness, so I tried it. Didn't like it. I decided that was harder 
> to get loose then when I hooked them on the lap belt. My cuffs slip on, 
> like yours, and I wear them up around the elbows and will slide off easily 
> (but in an emergency escape that's an extra move). Makes me wonder about 
> the guys who have them sewn to their driver suits. BTW, you can get window 
> nets that are a finer mesh instead of inch-wide straps.
>
> --Rocky Entriken
>  GP (okay HP now) Spitfire
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
> To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 4:28 PM
> Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
>
>
>> I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
>> system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend
>> to do any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the
>> Miata fire, and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a
>> fire, having water which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines
>> on the shirt which can melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's
>> worth.  Has this ever been addressed - does SCCA allow these systems,
>> and if so, how is it reconciled with the requirement to wear fire-
>> retardant materials?
>>
>> On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these
>> slips over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a
>> quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my
>> wrists or from the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I
>> don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because
>> it blocks visibility to the side mirror.
>>
>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:
>>
>> For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the
>> Miata and
>> the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe
>> it to
>> yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
>> yourself -- I sure got a good lesson
>> Chuck
>>
>> http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/
>>
>>
>> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 16 00:16:12 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 08:16:12 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Arm restraints
In-Reply-To: <0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com>
	<64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com>
	<AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000901cb0d1b$7445a330$5cd0e990$@com>

Scott,

I use two arm restraints in my open TR4. They are mandatory on the
Netherlands tracks.
They have a Velcro sling that catches the under arm at the ellbow, a double
steel rings to adjust the length for free movement at the steering and gear
lever and a small sling that is located to shoulder belts of the harness
where they docked into the lock.
If I open the harness then all arm restraints come free and I can escape
from the car.

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Scott Janzen
Gesendet: Montag, 14. Juni 2010 23:29
An: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems

........

On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these
slips over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a
quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my
wrists or from the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I
don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because
it blocks visibility to the side mirror.

.........

From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Jun 16 08:31:29 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:31:29 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Triumph ties to High Level Pasture Pool...
Message-ID: <936eb.6584ad7a.394a3a41@aol.com>

Amici...

I'm no golfer, nor Golf Aficionado, but I do know that TRIUMPH has some 
arm's length ties to the US Open starting today at Pebble Beach out west.  UK 
player Matt Richardson is, in fact, the grandson of Ken Richardson (RIP) 
exWorks Competition Director from TRIUMPH's Hey Day.  His Tee Time today is 5:20 
PM and tomorrow its 11:50 AM.

While this is VERY high level International Golf competition for Matt, it 
is not his first such effort.  He's no virgin.  Several years ago, he was a 
member of the UK Team in the America Golf Cup.  While his team did not do too 
well in the America Golf Cup that time, Matt actually played quite well, 
including some 'film at 11 PM shots'.  Perhaps he will shine again this trip.

Bill (Damdinger)

Aside to Kas:  You're a golfer!  With your born and bred competitive 
nature, you could be playing there too...in an all TRIUMPH related Team.

From jfrymark at aol.com  Wed Jun 16 14:56:18 2010
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:56:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 43, Issue 17
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1276711201.29569.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.3.1276711201.29569.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <571E0569-1DAD-4EE3-94DF-9F26A917224E@aol.com>

Rocky Entriken wrote: My cuffs slip on,
> like yours, and I wear them up around the elbows and will slide off  
> easily

Rocky, I was shown that arm restraint cuffs worn at the elbow take  
little force to pull up over the elbow rendering them practically  
useless. The goal is to restrain your lower arm from extending out of  
the "safe zone" of the cockpit. They should be worn on the forearm  
toward the wrist and tight enough that they can't be pulled up the  
arm, and the tether short enough that you can't extend your arm above  
head or outside the cockpit. Watch this video of Travis Pastrana  
rolling a rally car to see the potential danger of flailing arms:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Js_BYaU80w

"Stay safe my friends".(The least interesting Man in the World)

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Jun 17 16:25:06 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 18:25:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August
Message-ID: <8CCDC83117E94B0-1FCC-39D1@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com>

FOT,

I just heard a promising word on the Kastner prepared TR4 #37. It should be
ready for transport to Heartland Park in August.
It will be driven by it's owner, John Nikas.

There will be TWO Kastner Sebring TR4s at HRP as Jeff Snook is transporting
Keith Files' Sebring TR4.

Driver Keith Files will be flying in from London with his wife, Denise, and
ace TRIUMPH specialist, John Wood.

We may be having some musical surprises, too, but I will save that for another
time.

This is shaping up to being an unforgettable TRIUMPH RACING WEEKEND.

Regards,

Joe A

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Jun 17 20:12:32 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 22:12:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] NEW SCROLL SEALS FROM GERMANY...Corrected Factory Manual
 Mandril Dimensions and new ASSEMBLY MANDRILS.
Message-ID: <8CCDCA2D86899A5-1FCC-6B78@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com>

FOT LIST

Christian is going run another production run of his new combination
SCROLL/LIP SEAL.  The existing scroll seal requires a minor modification, but
the new Viton Lip Seal does not require the grinding of the crank.

If you want to be on a list of recipients of these seals, please let me know.
Christian will ship bulk to me and I will forward to you.

I had a fixture made to modify the OEM scroll seal, so if you would rather not
have this done yourself, I can make arrangements to have it done on an
exchange basis.

The new VITON SEAL will be passed through at my cost from Christian...at least
not to the FOT for the time being.

During the course of this project we discovered that others found an error in
the Factory Manual on the ASSEMBLY MANDRIL. I believe the credit goes largely
to Hardy Prentice. This correction has been reviewed by others, including
Christian, and verified.

Tim Murphy may have independently discovered this error and arrived at the
same conclusion.....

Kas' latest book was revised to reflect this dimension....

Moss Motors has been notified of the error......

To that end, I am producing a quantity of ASSEMBLY MANDRILS to the corrected
dimension. These will be offered to the FOT and others at a low cost.
(BTW, The new ASSEMBLY MANDRIL is designed so it can be used with the typical
engine stand......)

The VITON SEALS and the new ASSEMBLY MANDRIL will be available in about three
to four weeks.

Let me know and I will put you on a list and notify you when they become
available.

Joe A

From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Fri Jun 18 18:17:34 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 17:17:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Don Stanford:  The Red Car
Message-ID: <4C1C0C9E.4040904@greenheart.com>

Okay... so, as I mentioned in a prior post, I recently acquired this 
book off the internet after looking for it in used book stores for 
something like over 10 years! (After a Triumph newsgroup member 
mentioned the book and put out a request for it!)

Today, I finally sat down and read the book!   I felt I had to read it 
before shipping it off to one of my nephews!

What a great story!  It really took me back to my early days of 
discovering auto mechanics and tinkering on my first car at the age of 
15.  My own father wasn't that much different than the main character 
Hap's father.    He distanced himself from my work on the car and word 
was, he thought it would just be a good experience for me to tinker on 
the car, only to have the unfinished project sold off in a few months.  
He was right that it would be a good experience, he was wrong to think 
it would never be done.  A year later, the car was on the street, 
registered, and ready for his now 16 year old son to drive! 

I even had a moment with my father where he said my Triumph was only 
good for parades and shouldn't be driven on the highways.  I talked my 
dad into taking a drive in my car.   He drove it a few blocks and I 
couldn't take it.  He was going 25 mph in 3rd hear!  He was driving it 
like it was a Model A.   I took over the driver's seat and drove him to 
a straight away just a block from our home.  I asked him to be sure his 
seat belt was tight and just as he said it was, I floored it.  I chirped 
it into second, throwing his head back.  I chirped it into third, 
throwing his head back again. Before he knew it, I was in fourth going 
about 110 mph just as I downshifted and brought the car to a stop.   
Then I asked him if he still thought my car was only good for parades.  
And then I started to realize what I had just done... I had just driven 
like a maniac with my father in the car on a residential street near our 
house!  I wasn't sure what was going to come next!  He just sat there 
for a moment, got his bearings, took an overdue breath, exhaled, and 
asked, "Can we do that again?"    (I'm sure I shared that story here 
before, but it never gets old!)

And while I never had an old salt of a mechanic to teach me, like the 
character Frenchy, he certainly resembles a composite of men I looked up 
to in my youth.  And, yes, I had an older brother  that  I learned a lot 
from before I flipped it around and started teaching him!  : )

I have no doubt that I would have loved this book back then!  And I 
would highly recommend the book for grand kids, nephews, etc.  Or to 
adults that could use a lesson that might help them to understand the 
attraction to these beasts.

The book stands up to the 21st century pretty well.   The fact that 
there's no cell phones, Ipods, computers, etc. etc. in the story isn't 
even an issue.  And the dialogue isn't so full of out dated vocabulary 
that it draws attention to itself.  The main character, "the Red Car" is 
presented as an older model MG, so it just reads as an old British car.  
That 60 years has passed doesn't really matter.   About the only thing 
thing that might need a reality check for a young teen reading the book 
is that an old MG TC, with a little damage, isn't going to sell for 
$50.00.  And a $400 college fund isn't going to buy even the first 
semester's books!   Etc. 

Too bad it was published in 1954!   He probably wrote the book long 
before it was published.   If he had only waited a little longer, 
perhaps a TR2 would have been in the mix of the wonderful cars 
highlighted in the story.

--Justin Wagner

From jgambony at gcecisp.com  Fri Jun 18 21:17:29 2010
From: jgambony at gcecisp.com (Jim Gambony)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 22:17:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Don Stanford: The Red Car/ interesting period books and
 Fathers Day stories
In-Reply-To: <4C1C0C9E.4040904@greenheart.com>
References: <4C1C0C9E.4040904@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <C9CD490548554AF1AD1FCA3C964FE2BB@jrg>

Not to hijack Justin's idea but to augment it... ;)

Curious to see what other books FOT members read in their formative years.
I liked the John Tomerlin pair, "The Magnificent Jalopy" and his follow up
"The Nothing Special".   The first concerns a trio of high school seniors in
the mid-60s finding a '30s Packard in a chicken coop and with minimal prep
work going on a 1000 mile road rally from south California up to Oregon.
The second book is the story of their buying a Panhard based sports racer
and running at Riverside.   Things like "taking a cotton jacket and
fireproofing it" are just so quaint compared to what racers go through these
days.  Gives a better appreciation on how the sport (and safety) have
evolved in the past 50 years.

As to a Father's day story.. My father wasn't into racing as such but he did
not believe in speed limits as an absolute.  In the summer of '81 we went
from central NJ to Iowa, partly to visit family and partly for him to sell
me on going to Iowa State (didn't work, I'd been stuck in a snow drift for
half a day visiting family when I was 6).   At the beginning of the trip
he'd said "it's a long trip, don't worry too much about the speed limit".
Somewhere in mid-PA while he was napping I'd opened up the diesel Cadillac
Coupe DeVille and buried the speedometer needle well past the 85mph mark.
My father woke and realized we were a bit above the speedlimit.  In a total
show of control, he merely looked over and said "get the needle back".

And he did pay for my 76 in a 55 ticket in Iowa.   


Happy Fathers day, Dad.



Cheers,

Jim
Dallas



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Justin Wagner
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 7:18 PM
To: Friends of Triumph; Triumphs
Subject: [Fot] Don Stanford: The Red Car

From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Fri Jun 18 23:18:16 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 22:18:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Don Stanford:  The Red Car
Message-ID: <29D0466F228B4C47B89998B33A5D7290@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Justin

Thanks for sharing that.  What a great story and just in time for Fathers
Day.  

My dad was a wonderful mechanic and trained me in much the same manner as
your's did.  My first car was a 1960 MGA that had lost 1st gear.  I got it
in 1968 for $400.  My mom drove down to Oregon State, where I was attending
college, in our '57 Chevy and towed it home to Portland.  I think that was
the only time she ever towed anything in her life and she was terrified.  I
was planning to work on the gearbox over the summer, but much to my
surprise, when I got back home after finals a couple of weeks later, my dad
had already rebuilt the tranny and the car was ready to go.

The greatest compliment he ever paid me was when we were together at the
race track one day and he told me I was a pretty darn good mechanic.  Can't
remember what I'd had to fix in a panic, but I'll never forget the moment.
I sure miss him.

Jim 

From riverside at southslope.net  Sat Jun 19 11:40:28 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 12:40:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] The Red Car
Message-ID: <001201cb0fd6$83056d20$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

The three most profound literary drivers of my automotive perversion
were The Red Car;   In the Track of Speed,  S. S. Moss's first
autobiography (race drivers sure scored with the chicks); and
John Fitch's autobiography.  All at about age 14

art de armond

From KENMUN at aol.com  Sat Jun 19 13:13:27 2010
From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 15:13:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] tr3 head gasket sealing
Message-ID: <94bba.199900c2.394e70d7@aol.com>

i'm having a lot of problems keeping a head gasket in my tr3 vintage racer. 
 they fail between the combustion chamber and the water passage. i'm using 
the  stock composite copper gasket. the head has about .140" removed. i 
install  the gasket smooth side up use copper coat on both sides. liners are up  
.002'/.004" from top of block.  any ideas/suggestions on how to fix this?  
thanks, ken m.

From billb at bnj.com  Sat Jun 19 20:42:28 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 19:42:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] tr3 head gasket sealing
In-Reply-To: <94bba.199900c2.394e70d7@aol.com>
References: <94bba.199900c2.394e70d7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <49A871B1-B78C-406B-958C-E06783454F9F@bnj.com>

Don't use the stock gasket. I know people swear that they make them work, but
I never have. Shim steel or mordy's copper gaskets, anything but those crapola
composite copper sandwiches. Designed to fail.


On Jun 19, 2010, at 12:13 PM, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:

> i'm having a lot of problems keeping a head gasket in my tr3 vintage racer.
> they fail between the combustion chamber and the water passage. i'm using
> the  stock composite copper gasket. the head has about .140" removed. i
> install  the gasket smooth side up use copper coat on both sides. liners are
up
> .002'/.004" from top of block.  any ideas/suggestions on how to fix this?
> thanks, ken m.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com

From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 19 22:34:16 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 21:34:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
Message-ID: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I finally have my head issues sorted out and ready to run in Seattle July 4
weekend.  The car seems to hesitate when I turn the car a sharp left.  Any
thoughts would be great.  

Mike

From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Jun 20 07:11:40 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 06:11:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C372F3E453A046EB9545BF964909F2FA@Bud>

hi Mike...1st check float level...then check position of the fork that sits 
atop the float to be sure it doesnt close the needle valve from centrifigal 
force..
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Mehl" <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 9:34 PM
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4


>I finally have my head issues sorted out and ready to run in Seattle July 4
> weekend.  The car seems to hesitate when I turn the car a sharp left.  Any
> thoughts would be great.
>
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net

From tlizzard at msn.com  Sun Jun 20 08:25:49 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 10:25:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS184DE9D445A9BFC47EBD72C3C20@phx.gbl>

Float level sounds like the first place to start, followed by fuel delivery.


Terry Stetler

From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sun Jun 20 08:53:30 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 10:53:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] tr3 head gasket sealing
In-Reply-To: <94bba.199900c2.394e70d7@aol.com>
References: <94bba.199900c2.394e70d7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C1E2B6A.90806@blacksburg.net>

On 6/19/2010 3:13 PM, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
> i'm having a lot of problems keeping a head gasket in my tr3 vintage racer.
>   they fail between the combustion chamber and the water passage. i'm using
> the  stock composite copper gasket. the head has about .140" removed. i
> install  the gasket smooth side up use copper coat on both sides. liners are up
> .002'/.004" from top of block.  any ideas/suggestions on how to fix this?
> thanks, ken m.
> _______________________________________________
>    
Ken,
Did you measure all four corners of each sleeve?  It's important to have 
uniform protrusion.  WRT sealants, I've always had excellent results 
using Gasgasinch, by Edelbrock.

hth

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Jun 20 09:35:04 2010
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 11:35:04 EDT
Subject: [Fot] SAE pubs on dynos?
Message-ID: <b413f.1b0aedfa.394f8f28@aol.com>

Amici,
 
I'm struggling to learn about dyno operation, anybody know anything about  
SAE pub J606/607?  Apparently it details how to conduct a test?
 
Or better yet, point me to some learnin...;-))

From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Sun Jun 20 09:51:39 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 11:51:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] wheels
Message-ID: <01c301cb1090$7a0d2d10$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

Hi guys, has anyone had any experience with ROTA wheels? I'm looking for a
spare set for rain tires.
I saw these ROTA RB wheels; they look like Panasport knockoffs. Made in the
Phillipines. Decent price.
Good wheels or stay away?
Thanks, Bill

From adams910 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 20 11:33:23 2010
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 13:33:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] wheels
In-Reply-To: <01c301cb1090$7a0d2d10$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
References: <01c301cb1090$7a0d2d10$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilSK9N5fmll7SkmdULLthjcgT8aIv5f6Q2cPD2V@mail.gmail.com>

Bill,

They're a little heavy (13lbs for a 15x7?), but are popular with the Spec
Miata racers.

- Bob

On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 11:51 AM, WILLIAM TOBIN
<william.tobin3 at verizon.net>wrote:

> Hi guys, has anyone had any experience with ROTA wheels? I'm looking for a
> spare set for rain tires.
> I saw these ROTA RB wheels; they look like Panasport knockoffs. Made in the
> Phillipines. Decent price.
> Good wheels or stay away?
> Thanks, Bill
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/adams910 at gmail.com

From dave at microworks.net  Sun Jun 20 13:58:00 2010
From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 12:58:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] wheels
In-Reply-To: <01c301cb1090$7a0d2d10$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
References: <01c301cb1090$7a0d2d10$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <D162A6937DBC4644A9C4D43302B2B4D0@sys>

Bill Close (on the FOT List) sells wheels like these

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of WILLIAM TOBIN
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 8:52 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] wheels

Hi guys, has anyone had any experience with ROTA wheels? I'm looking for a
spare set for rain tires.
I saw these ROTA RB wheels; they look like Panasport knockoffs. Made in the
Phillipines. Decent price.
Good wheels or stay away?
Thanks, Bill
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dave at microworks.net

From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jun 20 17:31:13 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 16:31:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Building a new engine for the GT6
Message-ID: <523336.9503.qm@web180716.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I just dropped off a short block and I have one of the TR heads preferred for race preparation.

I want to build a safe,fun, easy revving engine for the GT6+ race car.  Spare engine...

I'm looking for ideas. I'm gonna needs some parts from the likes of Ted and Joe, I'm sure. I've already got all the parts together for the head.... now...for the short block... 
I'm looking for opinions and direction. Would like to hit 7000 rpm and be able to keep the engine together for 3-4 seasons.

Flat top pistons? Do I NEED forged pistons? Should I bore it .040 over? .030, .020 ??

I know I'm going to need the double row timing chain from the TR6, does the GT6 timing cover fit?

I DO have a Ric Cline cam and we are going to do cam bearings....

Looking for ideas and input... heck, if your build sheet shows up in an email, that will be swellllllll.......

All the best (too hot in Texas !!!)

Sent my registration in for Heartland in August, so ... the GT6 will be there.

Bobby Whitehead

From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Jun 20 23:18:19 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 00:18:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>

Mike, the tops of the float bowls need to be oriented so that the 
pivot for the float is at the front or the rear, not to either side.

- Tony Drews

At 11:34 PM 6/19/2010, Mike Mehl wrote:
>I finally have my head issues sorted out and ready to run in Seattle July 4
>weekend.  The car seems to hesitate when I turn the car a sharp left.  Any
>thoughts would be great.
>
>Mike

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 21 00:26:54 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 08:26:54 +0200
Subject: [Fot] wheels
In-Reply-To: <01c301cb1090$7a0d2d10$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
References: <01c301cb1090$7a0d2d10$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <000901cb110a$bfb338d0$3f19aa70$@com>

Seems that this guy had some experiance:

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/8463/rotaposterkq9.jpg

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von WILLIAM TOBIN
Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. Juni 2010 17:52
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] wheels

Hi guys, has anyone had any experience with ROTA wheels? I'm looking for a
spare set for rain tires.
I saw these ROTA RB wheels; they look like Panasport knockoffs. Made in the
Phillipines. Decent price.
Good wheels or stay away?
Thanks, Bill
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com

From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 21 07:19:23 2010
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 06:19:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] wheels
Message-ID: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Now THAT is a funny poster. I have some friends that race Smash Miata that have tried them and have had failure after impacting various objects.
(which they do a lot)

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 21, 2010, at 1:26 AM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

Seems that this guy had some experiance:

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/8463/rotaposterkq9.jpg

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von WILLIAM TOBIN
Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. Juni 2010 17:52
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] wheels

Hi guys, has anyone had any experience with ROTA wheels? I'm looking for a
spare set for rain tires.
I saw these ROTA RB wheels; they look like Panasport knockoffs. Made in the
Phillipines. Decent price.
Good wheels or stay away?
Thanks, Bill
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 21 07:31:26 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 15:31:26 +0200
Subject: [Fot] wheels
In-Reply-To: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>

I don't expect quality rims from the Philippines (where do they get the
aluminum from?), you never would buy beer from the Philippines either.
I think you can get masses of high quality boat people from the Philippines
;-)

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Mike Munson [mailto:fasttrs at yahoo.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 21. Juni 2010 15:19
An: MadMarx
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] wheels

Now THAT is a funny poster. I have some friends that race Smash Miata that
have tried them and have had failure after impacting various objects.
(which they do a lot)

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 21, 2010, at 1:26 AM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

Seems that this guy had some experiance:

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/8463/rotaposterkq9.jpg

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von WILLIAM TOBIN
Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. Juni 2010 17:52
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] wheels

Hi guys, has anyone had any experience with ROTA wheels? I'm looking for a
spare set for rain tires.
I saw these ROTA RB wheels; they look like Panasport knockoffs. Made in the
Phillipines. Decent price.
Good wheels or stay away?
Thanks, Bill
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com

From adams910 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 21 08:51:10 2010
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 10:51:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] wheels
In-Reply-To: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikXj-8WKTbl2OIMFyhhaj9OHeWaEtb_N782dblR@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't seen them ever fail when used as intended (FYI: SM's are in the
2300-2400lb range, turn times faster than most vintage Triumph racers, and
they use all the curbing + some on a regular basis), and they're a pretty
common wheel. Granted if you hit a 3" wall of curbing head on they're going
to break, just as any other wheel would.

Take it for what it's worth

Bob

From adams910 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 21 09:14:55 2010
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 11:14:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] wheels
In-Reply-To: <005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>
References: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinsgWup24y3KLr9gKSX2ONz3DitEcXbuM-b68Dh@mail.gmail.com>

So going by that, if Bill wants to buy rain wheels for his car he's pretty
much left with companies like BBS, Jongbloed, CCW, Kodiak, etc.

I'm not exactly sure he's looking to spend $3k on a set of rain wheels.

Unfortunately, you're not going to find much in the way of good cast wheels,
without breaking the bank, without sourcing them from Asia.  Maybe
Superlight? In all seriousness, they work on Spec Miatas (FYI: the Spec
Miata lap record at Watkins Glen is a 2.17.0. This is faster than any
Triumph has ever gone except for Halkias' EP car.). I'm pretty sure they're
going to hold up in wet conditions on a TR6.

Later,

Bob

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 21 10:34:57 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:34:57 +0200
Subject: [Fot] wheels
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinsgWup24y3KLr9gKSX2ONz3DitEcXbuM-b68Dh@mail.gmail.com>
References: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>
	<AANLkTinsgWup24y3KLr9gKSX2ONz3DitEcXbuM-b68Dh@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007001cb115f$b0a59cc0$11f0d640$@com>

The current status here in Germany is that these wheels are off the street
now.

The German TUV wants to have a manufacturer proof (or how do you call this)
about the strength and durability of their wheels before they are allowed to
use on the road.

Rota dont supply this certification with their wheels so nobody can use
them legally here in Germany.



Von: Bob Adams [mailto:adams910 at gmail.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 21. Juni 2010 17:15
An: MadMarx
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] wheels



So going by that, if Bill wants to buy rain wheels for his car he's pretty
much left with companies like BBS, Jongbloed, CCW, Kodiak, etc.

I'm not exactly sure he's looking to spend $3k on a set of rain wheels.

Unfortunately, you're not going to find much in the way of good cast wheels,
without breaking the bank, without sourcing them from Asia.  Maybe
Superlight? In all seriousness, they work on Spec Miatas (FYI: the Spec
Miata lap record at Watkins Glen is a 2.17.0. This is faster than any
Triumph has ever gone except for Halkias' EP car.). I'm pretty sure they're
going to hold up in wet conditions on a TR6.

Later,

Bob

From jhd11 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 21 10:55:51 2010
From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:55:51 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Wheels
Message-ID: <COL118-W35C37C3F3C413D8592D212A9C30@phx.gbl>

     I have used Rotas auto-xing a Mini on R-rated Kumhos with good results.
Never had them on a track.  Re: Superlights, talk to Hap at Acme Speed Shop in
Greenville N.C.  He has had some good deals in the past.

Joe Downer

_________________________________________________________________
The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL
:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 21 11:39:45 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:39:45 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Eifelrace 300 km practice session
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinsgWup24y3KLr9gKSX2ONz3DitEcXbuM-b68Dh@mail.gmail.com>
References: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>
	<AANLkTinsgWup24y3KLr9gKSX2ONz3DitEcXbuM-b68Dh@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008901cb1168$beeaf010$3cc0d030$@com>

This video shows the 2nd fastest lap of my practice session:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bNcPI1e9Pw

 

Cheers

Chris

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 21 14:05:11 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:05:11 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Eifelrace 300 km practice session
In-Reply-To: <4C1FC593.4090808@pobox.com>
References: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>
	<AANLkTinsgWup24y3KLr9gKSX2ONz3DitEcXbuM-b68Dh@mail.gmail.com>
	<008901cb1168$beeaf010$3cc0d030$@com> <4C1FC593.4090808@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <00c101cb117d$0fd98950$2f8c9bf0$@com>

Wait for the wet race video and you would think your words over ;-)

 

Von: Larry Young [mailto:cartravel at pobox.com] 
Gesendet: Montag, 21. Juni 2010 22:04
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Eifelrace 300 km practice session

 

That looks pretty good.  You flew past some of those other cars.  Looks like
a fun track. 
Larry

MadMarx wrote: 

This video shows the 2nd fastest lap of my practice session:
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bNcPI1e9Pw
 
 
 
Cheers
 
Chris
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net
 
http://www.fot-racing.com
 
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com

From SpiwakD at aol.com  Mon Jun 21 18:49:45 2010
From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 20:49:45 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
Message-ID: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>

I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple Hydraulics  
and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my 1957.  
Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.

From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Mon Jun 21 21:05:50 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:05:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>

Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one that
leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess I'll
hold off on that now.

Tim
1961 TR4 #317

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:50 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple Hydraulics  
and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my 1957.  
Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Jun 22 00:59:36 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:59:36 +0200
Subject: [Fot]  Eifelrace 300 km
In-Reply-To: <687328.67400.qm@web46112.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>
	<AANLkTinsgWup24y3KLr9gKSX2ONz3DitEcXbuM-b68Dh@mail.gmail.com>
	<008901cb1168$beeaf010$3cc0d030$@com>
	<687328.67400.qm@web46112.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001401cb11d8$7b24ab80$716e0280$@com>

And the first part of the race



http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5485437581349389506



Cheers

Chris

From jaboruch at netzero.net  Tue Jun 22 05:34:42 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:34:42 GMT
Subject: [Fot] tr3 head gasket sealing
Message-ID: <20100622.073442.8317.1@webmail02.dca.untd.com>

This points out the need we have for a good modern Multi Layer head gasket.
While the steel shim gaskets will work, it takes a lot of time on my part to
add all the copper o-rings to make it work.  It would be great to have a head
gasket that I could just use as is.

About 5 years or so ago I checked with a manufacturer of multi layer gaskets
(Cometic) and the engineering costs were more than I could afford.  Maybe it's
time to check again?  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
To: KENMUN at aol.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] tr3 head gasket sealing
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 19:42:28 -0700

Don't use the stock gasket. I know people swear that they make them work, but
I never have. Shim steel or mordy's copper gaskets, anything but those
crapola
composite copper sandwiches. Designed to fail.


On Jun 19, 2010, at 12:13 PM, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:

> i'm having a lot of problems keeping a head gasket in my tr3 vintage racer.
> they fail between the combustion chamber and the water passage. i'm using
> the  stock composite copper gasket. the head has about .140" removed. i
> install  the gasket smooth side up use copper coat on both sides. liners
are
up
> .002'/.004" from top of block.  any ideas/suggestions on how to fix this?
> thanks, ken m.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net


____________________________________________________________
TODAY: iPads for $123.74?
ALERT: iPads are being auctioned for 95% off today!
http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c20a010a89f84dc9d4st02duc

From ikorey at comcast.net  Tue Jun 22 06:11:38 2010
From: ikorey at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 07:11:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikE9D6APShKq6hJrTVXtexE8_sGqb0_pVClw6zA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Tim Murphy <timmurph at fastbytes.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one that
> leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess I'll
> hold off on that now.
>


There's an excellent alternative to Apple. Peter at World Wide Imports of
Madison (WI)
has his own lever shock rebuilding operation. I visited his shop once, plus
we had him give a tech
session on lever shocks at the 2005 VTR Convention. He rebuilds levers on
site, adds seals
where the factory didn't have them, and stands behind his work. He will
custom valve your shocks, if
you want something other than stock. He also created an externally
adjustable lever to fit the TR6,
and I'm pretty sure he has them to fit TR4's. While he's not a TRiumph
guy, he IS a British car guy and drives one almost daily.

http://www.nosimport.com/?

NFI

Irv Korey

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 22 07:13:12 2010
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:13:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikE9D6APShKq6hJrTVXtexE8_sGqb0_pVClw6zA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>,
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>,
	<AANLkTikE9D6APShKq6hJrTVXtexE8_sGqb0_pVClw6zA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W34232CB07EC11F54FA9862BAC40@phx.gbl>

I vote with Irv. Have them on my TR6. No leaks, work great.



Marty

>
> There's an excellent alternative to Apple. Peter at World Wide Imports of
> Madison (WI)
> has his own lever shock rebuilding operation. I visited his shop once, plus
> we had him give a tech
> session on lever shocks at the 2005 VTR Convention. He rebuilds levers on
> site, adds seals
> where the factory didn't have them, and stands behind his work. He will
> custom valve your shocks, if
> you want something other than stock. He also created an externally
> adjustable lever to fit the TR6,
> and I'm pretty sure he has them to fit TR4's. While he's not a TRiumph
> guy, he IS a British car guy and drives one almost daily.
>
> http://www.nosimport.com/?
>
> NFI
>
> Irv Korey

_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL
:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Jun 22 07:42:39 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:42:39 +0200
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W34232CB07EC11F54FA9862BAC40@phx.gbl>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>,
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>,
	<AANLkTikE9D6APShKq6hJrTVXtexE8_sGqb0_pVClw6zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY123-W34232CB07EC11F54FA9862BAC40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001f01cb1210$c9225c00$5b671400$@com>

I have lever shocks.
They leak a little, they get topped up from time to time and work great,
also on bumpy tracks.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von marty sukey
Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Juni 2010 15:13
An: ikorey at comcast.net; timmurph at fastbytes.com
Cc: FOT
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

I vote with Irv. Have them on my TR6. No leaks, work great.



Marty

>
> There's an excellent alternative to Apple. Peter at World Wide Imports of
> Madison (WI)
> has his own lever shock rebuilding operation. I visited his shop once,
plus
> we had him give a tech
> session on lever shocks at the 2005 VTR Convention. He rebuilds levers on
> site, adds seals
> where the factory didn't have them, and stands behind his work. He will
> custom valve your shocks, if
> you want something other than stock. He also created an externally
> adjustable lever to fit the TR6,
> and I'm pretty sure he has them to fit TR4's. While he's not a TRiumph
> guy, he IS a British car guy and drives one almost daily.
>
> http://www.nosimport.com/?
>
> NFI
>
> Irv Korey

_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:W
L
:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com

From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jun 22 08:43:32 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:43:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikE9D6APShKq6hJrTVXtexE8_sGqb0_pVClw6zA@mail.gmail.c om>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<AANLkTikE9D6APShKq6hJrTVXtexE8_sGqb0_pVClw6zA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100622144236.0E0C11878E2@autox.team.net>

Jack had the custom valved, externally adjustable ones from Peter at 
World Wide Imports on his TR-4 and worked with Peter to get the 
location of the external plumbing in an accessible area.  He was very 
pleased with those.

- Tony Drews

At 07:11 AM 6/22/2010, Irv Korey wrote:
>On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Tim Murphy <timmurph at fastbytes.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one that
> > leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess I'll
> > hold off on that now.
> >
>
>
>There's an excellent alternative to Apple. Peter at World Wide Imports of
>Madison (WI)
>has his own lever shock rebuilding operation. I visited his shop once, plus
>we had him give a tech
>session on lever shocks at the 2005 VTR Convention. He rebuilds levers on
>site, adds seals
>where the factory didn't have them, and stands behind his work. He will
>custom valve your shocks, if
>you want something other than stock. He also created an externally
>adjustable lever to fit the TR6,
>and I'm pretty sure he has them to fit TR4's. While he's not a TRiumph
>guy, he IS a British car guy and drives one almost daily.
>
>http://www.nosimport.com/?
>
>NFI
>
>Irv Korey

From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Jun 22 09:25:15 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:25:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W34232CB07EC11F54FA9862BAC40@phx.gbl>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>,
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>,
	<AANLkTikE9D6APShKq6hJrTVXtexE8_sGqb0_pVClw6zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY123-W34232CB07EC11F54FA9862BAC40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4C20D5DB.9010607@pobox.com>

When I bought my TR3 it had tube shocks on it.  That caused me to lose a 
point with CVAR for authenticity.  I didn't know about World Wide 
Imports, so I bought rebuilt lever shocks from Roadster Factory and sold 
the tube shocks on Ebay.  I've never had any problems and can't tell any 
difference in handling.
Larry Young

marty sukey wrote:
> I vote with Irv. Have them on my TR6. No leaks, work great.
>
>
>
> Marty
>
>   
>> There's an excellent alternative to Apple. Peter at World Wide Imports of
>> Madison (WI)
>> has his own lever shock rebuilding operation. I visited his shop once, plus
>> we had him give a tech
>> session on lever shocks at the 2005 VTR Convention. He rebuilds levers on
>> site, adds seals
>> where the factory didn't have them, and stands behind his work. He will
>> custom valve your shocks, if
>> you want something other than stock. He also created an externally
>> adjustable lever to fit the TR6,
>> and I'm pretty sure he has them to fit TR4's. While he's not a TRiumph
>> guy, he IS a British car guy and drives one almost daily.
>>
>> http://www.nosimport.com/?
>>
>> NFI
>>
>> Irv Korey
>>     
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL
> :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com

From adams910 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 09:19:25 2010
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:19:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Mid Ohio
Message-ID: <AANLkTillYdombGwualW3G6zO_gWX70eIMmFSTXuguDpv@mail.gmail.com>

I'm surprised by the lack of Triumph entries. Anyone going? It looks like
car counts are up slightly, probably something to do with HSR losing its
date to the Bobby Rahal Group at Watkins Glen.


Group 3 is shaping up to be a barn burner.
http://svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/attachmentweb/EJEN-7Z4QY8/$file/Entry+List+-+By+Name.pdf?OpenElement

Bob

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 22 10:25:06 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:25:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <4C20D5DB.9010607@pobox.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>,
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>,
	<AANLkTikE9D6APShKq6hJrTVXtexE8_sGqb0_pVClw6zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY123-W34232CB07EC11F54FA9862BAC40@phx.gbl>
	<4C20D5DB.9010607@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <6D31A7DB-CBB7-49B9-A04A-C6E5FD43C9C6@earthlink.net>

I have lever shocks on my dad's old TR3.  Stock with thicker shock oil  
for racing.   They leak as originally designed, but they leak very  
slowly over time.  Other slowly seeping parts include the engine,  
trans, and diff.  Also, the grease fittings on the driveshaft and  
suspension points are greasy inside and out.

~Steve



On Jun 22, 2010, at 8:25 AM, Larry Young wrote:

When I bought my TR3 it had tube shocks on it.  That caused me to lose a
point with CVAR for authenticity.  I didn't know about World Wide
Imports, so I bought rebuilt lever shocks from Roadster Factory and sold
the tube shocks on Ebay.  I've never had any problems and can't tell any
difference in handling.
Larry Young

marty sukey wrote:
> I vote with Irv. Have them on my TR6. No leaks, work great.
>
>
>
> Marty
>
>
>> There's an excellent alternative to Apple. Peter at World Wide  
>> Imports of
>> Madison (WI)
>> has his own lever shock rebuilding operation. I visited his shop  
>> once, plus
>> we had him give a tech
>> session on lever shocks at the 2005 VTR Convention. He rebuilds  
>> levers on
>> site, adds seals
>> where the factory didn't have them, and stands behind his work. He  
>> will
>> custom valve your shocks, if
>> you want something other than stock. He also created an externally
>> adjustable lever to fit the TR6,
>> and I'm pretty sure he has them to fit TR4's. While he's not a  
>> TRiumph
>> guy, he IS a British car guy and drives one almost daily.
>>
>> http://www.nosimport.com/?
>>
>> NFI
>>
>> Irv Korey
>>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from  
> your inbox.
> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL
> :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 22 10:32:02 2010
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:32:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Mid Ohio
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTillYdombGwualW3G6zO_gWX70eIMmFSTXuguDpv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTillYdombGwualW3G6zO_gWX70eIMmFSTXuguDpv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W29091AB2CA8651DF307B2ABAC40@phx.gbl>

Jason and I will be there to lend moral support.  Seems as though Triumphs at
Mid-Ohio have been few and far between for a few years now.



Marty

> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:19:25 -0400
> From: adams910 at gmail.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] SVRA Mid Ohio
>
> I'm surprised by the lack of Triumph entries. Anyone going? It looks like
> car counts are up slightly, probably something to do with HSR losing its
> date to the Bobby Rahal Group at Watkins Glen.
>
>
> Group 3 is shaping up to be a barn burner.
>
http://svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/attachmentweb/EJEN-7Z4QY8/$file/Entry+List+
-+By+Name.pdf?OpenElement
>
> Bob
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com
>
>

_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL
:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Jun 22 10:46:02 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:46:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Mid Ohio
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTillYdombGwualW3G6zO_gWX70eIMmFSTXuguDpv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTillYdombGwualW3G6zO_gWX70eIMmFSTXuguDpv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CCE04188B987EB-740-4E6A@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>

Bob,

Blackhawk Farms and Mosport are popular events for TRs.   I wonder if that
doesnt draw folks away.

I suspect there are other reasons, too.

Joe A





-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:19 am
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Mid Ohio


I'm surprised by the lack of Triumph entries. Anyone going? It looks like
ar counts are up slightly, probably something to do with HSR losing its
ate to the Bobby Rahal Group at Watkins Glen.

roup 3 is shaping up to be a barn burner.
ttp://svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/attachmentweb/EJEN-7Z4QY8/$file/Entry+List+-
+By+Name.pdf?OpenElement
Bob
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Jun 22 11:11:59 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 13:11:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO  UPDATE
Message-ID: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>

Even though I didnt enter the Ambro, I did take it to Blackhawk Farms.

It now has been teched and has a VSCDA LOGBOOK.

Weight check showed a 49% front and 51% rear bias w/out driver.

It seems to have good manners at TOURING SPEEDS.

As you can tell, I am in no hurry to run it in anger.

Might run it at Heartland Park...at least thats the plan.

From tedtsimx at bright.net  Tue Jun 22 11:38:52 2010
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 13:38:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio vintage race
Message-ID: <4C20F52C.8010109@bright.net>

Hello lists.  We will be at Mid-Ohio all week end with our parts and 
apparel trailer. Main location in the paddock with a second booth in the 
infield for Saturday's Brit car show. If you need me to bring anything 
to the track,please let me know.Stop by and say hello.Thanks, Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Jun 22 12:31:04 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:31:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio vintage race
In-Reply-To: <4C20F52C.8010109@bright.net>
References: <4C20F52C.8010109@bright.net>
Message-ID: <8CCE0503520CF78-D48-B42@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>

Ted,

Are you coming to Heartland Park in August?  We will have no less than 25
Triumphs running the Kastner Cup and an a very strong club presence in
designated corrals.

Vendor spots are only $100 for each for 10 X 20 spaces.

Thanks,

Joe Alexander








-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Schumacher <tedtsimx at bright.net>
To: 6pack at autox.team.net; Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>;
spitfires at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net; nass at yahoogroups.com; TR8
CCCA Listing <tr8 at mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:38 pm
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio vintage race


Hello lists. We will be at Mid-Ohio all week end with our parts and apparel
trailer. Main location in the paddock with a second booth in the infield for
Saturday's Brit car show. If you need me to bring anything to the track,please
let me know.Stop by and say hello.Thanks, Ted

-- Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com

From jhouathome at aol.com  Tue Jun 22 12:41:04 2010
From: jhouathome at aol.com (jhouathome at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:41:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO  UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CCE0519A6D4FD8-2260-5FD2@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com>

I will add to Joe's post that it is a BEAUTIFUL car, and very well done.  If
you have not see it it is well worth the trip to the track just to see the
Ambro.  Well done Joe!
John





-----Original Message-----
From: n197tr4 at cs.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:11 pm
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO UPDATE


Even though I didnt enter the Ambro, I did take it to Blackhawk Farms.
It now has been teched and has a VSCDA LOGBOOK.
Weight check showed a 49% front and 51% rear bias w/out driver.
It seems to have good manners at TOURING SPEEDS.
As you can tell, I am in no hurry to run it in anger.
Might run it at Heartland Park...at least thats the plan.
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com

From jhouathome at aol.com  Tue Jun 22 12:41:09 2010
From: jhouathome at aol.com (jhouathome at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:41:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO  UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CCE0519D94434B-2260-5FD7@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com>

I will add to Joe's post that it is a BEAUTIFUL car, and very well done.  If
you have not see it it is well worth the trip to the track just to see the
Ambro.  Well done Joe!
John





-----Original Message-----
From: n197tr4 at cs.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:11 pm
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO UPDATE


Even though I didnt enter the Ambro, I did take it to Blackhawk Farms.
It now has been teched and has a VSCDA LOGBOOK.
Weight check showed a 49% front and 51% rear bias w/out driver.
It seems to have good manners at TOURING SPEEDS.
As you can tell, I am in no hurry to run it in anger.
Might run it at Heartland Park...at least thats the plan.
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com

From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Tue Jun 22 13:00:40 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:00:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cover car
Message-ID: <7B2C31BA493B4DFCA2B48053F8828245@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Friends

I have to share the following link:

http://www.nwr-scca.org/regional/newsletter/2010/Jun10/NWSCN_0610_Pg1.pdf

The Spitfire made the cover of Northwest Region SCCA's newsletter.  The
weekend was one of survival as the conditions kept changing.  This was the
double National over Memorial Day weekend.

Jim

From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Jun 22 13:28:37 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:28:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO  UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C210EE5.6070809@pobox.com>

So, what is the total weight?  I've heard they are not much lighter than 
a TR3 or TR4. - Larry

n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> Even though I didnt enter the Ambro, I did take it to Blackhawk Farms.
>
> It now has been teched and has a VSCDA LOGBOOK.
>
> Weight check showed a 49% front and 51% rear bias w/out driver.
>
> It seems to have good manners at TOURING SPEEDS.
>
> As you can tell, I am in no hurry to run it in anger.
>
> Might run it at Heartland Park...at least thats the plan.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Jun 22 13:35:48 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:35:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO  UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <8CCE0519A6D4FD8-2260-5FD2@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CCE0519A6D4FD8-2260-5FD2@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CCE059402F1F46-D48-1BD6@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>

Ya but, wait until you see John's KELLISON....to be unveiled at Kohler
International Challenge.

And frankly, Dennis DeLap's TVR SPECIAL drew a lot more attention than the
AMBRO did at Blackhawk.

Pretty satisfying stuff to go out of the box on production cars and build
something 'different'.

Thanks, John

Joe A






-----Original Message-----
From: jhouathome at aol.com
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMBRO UPDATE



I will add to Joe's post that it is a BEAUTIFUL car, and very well done.  If
you have not see it it is well worth the trip to the track just to see the
Ambro.  Well done Joe!
John





-----Original Message-----
From: n197tr4 at cs.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:11 pm
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO UPDATE


Even though I didnt enter the Ambro, I did take it to Blackhawk Farms.
It now has been teched and has a VSCDA LOGBOOK.
Weight check showed a 49% front and 51% rear bias w/out driver.
It seems to have good manners at TOURING SPEEDS.
As you can tell, I am in no hurry to run it in anger.
Might run it at Heartland Park...at least thats the plan.
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Jun 22 13:56:36 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:56:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO  UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <4C210EE5.6070809@pobox.com>
References: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
	<4C210EE5.6070809@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <8CCE05C2819EEAB-1570-CB@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>

I wasnt going to say.

But since you asked...it was 1847#

A concerted effort might have yielded 1700# without spending any extra money.

Spending a lot of money might have yielded 1650#

Just a guess........

How fast do you want to go?....how much do you want to spend?

I suspect that the AMBRO will do what I need it to.

This engine likely could use a Larry Young Cam and another engine for the
street.

Grandson Brendan took me to dinner in it twice while at Blackhawk Farms. How
cool is that?

I think he wants to go to drivers school. Alexander Racing is going to sign
him to a lifetime contract.

Joe A







-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMBRO UPDATE


So, what is the total weight?  I've heard they are not much lighter than a TR3
or TR4. - Larry

n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
Even though I didnt enter the Ambro, I did take it to Blackhawk Farms.
It now has been teched and has a VSCDA LOGBOOK.
Weight check showed a 49% front and 51% rear bias w/out driver.
It seems to have good manners at TOURING SPEEDS.
As you can tell, I am in no hurry to run it in anger.
Might run it at Heartland Park...at least thats the plan.
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com

From stutzmans at comcast.net  Tue Jun 22 14:51:52 2010
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:51:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
Message-ID: <A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>

One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  Its OK if they leak a bit 
because you can add fluid.  Can't do that with tube shocks.
Bruce
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion


> Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one that
> leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess I'll
> hold off on that now.
>
> Tim
> 1961 TR4 #317
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:50 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
> I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple Hydraulics
> and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my 1957.
> Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun 22 15:09:30 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:09:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

<< One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  >>

Just mild curiosity from a Spitfire guy...what's the knock on lever
shocks?  What is it that they do badly that tube shocks do better?

Scott (B.)

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Stutzman
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:52 PM
To: Tim Murphy; SpiwakD at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  Its OK if they leak a
bit
because you can add fluid.  Can't do that with tube shocks.
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion


> Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one
that
> leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess
I'll
> hold off on that now.
>
> Tim
> 1961 TR4 #317
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
On
> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:50 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
> I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple
Hydraulics
> and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my
1957.
> Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jun 22 15:20:33 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:20:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Shock Fluid / Lever Shocks
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1006221718100.17577@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

Does anyone in this group use the various shock fluid available from 
RedLine in thier lever shoX? If so, which weight(s).

Just curious. I have a pint or two sitting on the shelf and I'm thinking 
of draining and refilling the shocks in the race car for a test.

regards,
rml
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Lang              Triumph TR6!!            |  This space for rent
2010 NER Solo Chair                            |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Jun 22 15:46:39 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:46:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <001401cb1254$658f3cf0$30adb6d0$@com>

Leak??

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:10 PM
To: Stutzman; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

<< One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  >>

Just mild curiosity from a Spitfire guy...what's the knock on lever
shocks?  What is it that they do badly that tube shocks do better?

Scott (B.)

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Stutzman
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:52 PM
To: Tim Murphy; SpiwakD at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  Its OK if they leak a
bit
because you can add fluid.  Can't do that with tube shocks.
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion


> Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one
that
> leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess
I'll
> hold off on that now.
>
> Tim
> 1961 TR4 #317
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
On
> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:50 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
> I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple
Hydraulics
> and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my
1957.
> Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun 22 15:49:17 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:49:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <001401cb1254$658f3cf0$30adb6d0$@com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<001401cb1254$658f3cf0$30adb6d0$@com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA5C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

I mean, aside from that.  Doesn't everything leak?  :-)

Do tube shocks out-perform lever shocks in some other way?



-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Murphy [mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:47 PM
To: Barr, Scott; 'Stutzman'; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

Leak??

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:10 PM
To: Stutzman; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

<< One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  >>

Just mild curiosity from a Spitfire guy...what's the knock on lever
shocks?  What is it that they do badly that tube shocks do better?

Scott (B.)

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Stutzman
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:52 PM
To: Tim Murphy; SpiwakD at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  Its OK if they leak a
bit
because you can add fluid.  Can't do that with tube shocks.
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion


> Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one
that
> leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess
I'll
> hold off on that now.
>
> Tim
> 1961 TR4 #317
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
On
> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:50 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
> I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple
Hydraulics
> and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my
1957.
> Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com

From tedtsimx at bright.net  Tue Jun 22 16:40:08 2010
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:40:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net>

Scott, shocks - the Brits really do use the correct term, dampers - 
serve to dampen wheel up & down movement.  The difference happens when  
there is a rapid series of up/down oscillations.  The lever shock can 
"foam" the fluid so the damping effect is lost since the shock fluid is 
now foam rather than pure fluid. Tube shocks do not "foam" so the 
damping effect is consistent. Ted


Barr, Scott wrote:
> << One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  >>
>
> Just mild curiosity from a Spitfire guy...what's the knock on lever
> shocks?  What is it that they do badly that tube shocks do better?
>
> Scott (B.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Stutzman
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:52 PM
> To: Tim Murphy; SpiwakD at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
> One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  Its OK if they leak a
> bit
> because you can add fluid.  Can't do that with tube shocks.
> Bruce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
> To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
>
>   
>> Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one
>>     
> that
>   
>> leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess
>>     
> I'll
>   
>> hold off on that now.
>>
>> Tim
>> 1961 TR4 #317
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
>>     
> On
>   
>> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:50 PM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>>
>> I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple
>>     
> Hydraulics
>   
>> and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my
>>     
> 1957.
>   
>> Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>> Unsubscribe:
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>> Unsubscribe:
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tedtsimx at bright.net
Internal Virus Database is out of date.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2910 - Release Date: 06/01/10
06:25:00

From billbab at me.com  Tue Jun 22 17:11:41 2010
From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:11:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  TR3 rear shock conversion
References: <AC28B171-F345-489B-97B4-0B6C3FEFF6D0@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <BB2DE3ED-89C1-4ADF-BDBA-7B192F1E8E1B@me.com>

This almost certainly boinked since I forgot to trim off the extra bits. 


The construction has a lot of limitations. Modern racing shocks have precisely controlled damping that doesn't change much as the shock is stroked repeatedly. They use sealed air chambers or other means to prevent gasses from being introduced into the shock oil, the stroke of the shock is full travel so the damping in both directions can be controlled effectively, and the oil volume is relatively large so it doesn't heat quickly. Lever shocks have small oil capacity, a very short stroke (amplified by the arm) no gas/oil separation, and very limited control. The end result is a shock that looks completely inconsistent on a shock dyno. 

Fortunately our cars are equally unsophisticated in almost every aspect of suspension, steering, and braking. In other words you can't tell how badly they suck (or how much less a modern shock doesn't) because everything around them sucks. 

Bottom line to your question, tube shocks out perform them in every way except that you don't already have them on your car. 

There is a reason why you can get around a typical race track faster in a modern grocery getter than in a vintage production racer. That reason is EVERYTHING. 

> On Jun 22, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Barr, Scott wrote:
> 
>> I mean, aside from that.  Doesn't everything leak?  :-)
>> 
>> Do tube shocks out-perform lever shocks in some other way?

From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Jun 22 19:44:43 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:44:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
Message-ID: <20100622214443.LVVCE.867620.imail@fed1rmwml41>

Actually you can add oil to a tube shock or even change the oil to a heavier grade.  You drill at the top of the cylinder a small hole and tap it for a 10/32 thread (or larger), drain the oil, or add oil, slowly I'll admit, then insert a 10/32 threaded bolt (or whatever size you drilled and taped) with locktite and it is over.  I have done it many times. It is easier if you drill two holes so that when replenishing the oil the air has a way to escape and thus hasten the filling process. It is wise not to go crazy with the hole size as you have very little metal to tap. No, I have never tried welding up the hole.
---- Stutzman <stutzmans at comcast.net> wrote: 

=============
One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  Its OK if they leak a bit 
because you can add fluid.  Can't do that with tube shocks.
Bruce
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion


> Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one that
> leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess I'll
> hold off on that now.
>
> Tim
> 1961 TR4 #317
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:50 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
> I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple Hydraulics
> and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my 1957.
> Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net



--
Never be beaten by equipment

From billb at bnj.com  Tue Jun 22 20:24:00 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:24:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <20100622214443.LVVCE.867620.imail@fed1rmwml41>
References: <20100622214443.LVVCE.867620.imail@fed1rmwml41>
Message-ID: <C88BAC87-E473-467A-B186-464F08A9CF19@bnj.com>

A lot of tube shocks are rebuildable and refillable.
On Jun 22, 2010, at 6:44 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:

> Actually you can add oil to a tube shock or even change the oil to a heavier
grade.  You drill at the top of the cylinder a small hole and tap it for a
10/32 thread (or larger), drain the oil, or add oil, slowly I'll admit, then
insert a 10/32 threaded bolt (or whatever size you drilled and taped) with
locktite and it is over.  I have done it many times. It is easier if you drill
two holes so that when replenishing the oil the air has a way to escape and
thus hasten the filling process. It is wise not to go crazy with the hole size
as you have very little metal to tap. No, I have never tried welding up the
hole.
> ---- Stutzman <stutzmans at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> =============
> One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  Its OK if they leak a bit
> because you can add fluid.  Can't do that with tube shocks.
> Bruce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
> To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
>
>> Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one that
>> leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess I'll
>> hold off on that now.
>>
>> Tim
>> 1961 TR4 #317
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:50 PM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>>
>> I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple Hydraulics
>> and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my 1957.
>> Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>> Unsubscribe:
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>> Unsubscribe:
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net
>
>
>
> --
> Never be beaten by equipment
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com

From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Tue Jun 22 20:34:30 2010
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 22:34:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Shocks going bad at the wrong time
Message-ID: <8FBE0408FD914193BD16DEE79BD463BE@Bucktailus>

How would you like pulling up to  the starting grid knowing that your right
rear shock is completely dead? That happened to me at the last race I ran in
Germany in the summer of 1956.  I drove to the track and felt the something
was wrong. Did the old fender pushing trick and found the I had NO resistance
at all, either down or rebound on the right rear.  What to do but to go
racing. Airport circuit with drainage ditches filled partial with sand.  Great
sport, but you just drive over adversities. Did OK, I won the race against a
V8 Fiat. Boy, was he mad.
Bob Johns

From billb at bnj.com  Tue Jun 22 21:26:14 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:26:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Shocks going bad at the wrong time
In-Reply-To: <8FBE0408FD914193BD16DEE79BD463BE@Bucktailus>
References: <8FBE0408FD914193BD16DEE79BD463BE@Bucktailus>
Message-ID: <18A6764D-A4A8-41F0-A96E-FBA4606B9178@bnj.com>

At Watkins Glen I broke off both very expensive Penske tube shocks that we had
just mounted on the rear of Peyote. The mounts weren't quite right, they bound
and broke off at full violent bump. finished the race without shocks and did
OK. Went back to Armstrongs. We should probably revisit that, but it gets
around OK on what it's got.

On Jun 22, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Robert Johns wrote:

> How would you like pulling up to  the starting grid knowing that your right
> rear shock is completely dead?

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 23 00:51:54 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 08:51:54 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Eifelrace 300 km
In-Reply-To: <A93258EFB0444587B3758F8538145E8C@latitudefb1e41>
References: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com><AANLkTinsgWup24y3KLr9gKSX2ONz3DitEcXbuM-b68Dh@mail.gmail.com><008901cb1168$beeaf010$3cc0d030$@com><687328.67400.qm@web46112.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<001401cb11d8$7b24ab80$716e0280$@com>
	<A93258EFB0444587B3758F8538145E8C@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <002001cb12a0$9285a310$b790e930$@com>

Carb #1 catched dirt.

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Bob Kramer [mailto:rkramer3 at austin.rr.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Juni 2010 19:03
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Eifelrace 300 km


Fuel problem?


Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch
excellence.
Vince Lombardi
----- Original Message -----
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 1:59 AM
Subject: [Fot] Eifelrace 300 km


> And the first part of the race
>
>
>
> http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5485437581349389506
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 23 01:02:17 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 09:02:17 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Shock Fluid / Lever Shocks
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1006221718100.17577@isis.mit.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1006221718100.17577@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <002601cb12a2$068061f0$138125d0$@com>

I use mixtures of EP680 and EP 320 oil.
I go softer on bumpy tracks and stiffer on smooth ones.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Robert M. Lang
Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Juni 2010 23:21
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Shock Fluid / Lever Shocks

Hi,

Does anyone in this group use the various shock fluid available from
RedLine in thier lever shoX? If so, which weight(s).

Just curious. I have a pint or two sitting on the shelf and I'm thinking
of draining and refilling the shocks in the race car for a test.

regards,
rml
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Lang              Triumph TR6!!            |  This space for rent
2010 NER Solo Chair                            |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com

From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jun 23 08:59:58 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 09:59:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <4C22216E.8070706@pobox.com>

Is CVAR the only vintage racing organization that requires lever shocks 
for authenticity?

I've had a TR250 since new and in all that time, I've had to replace one 
leaking shock.  Am I just lucky?
Larry

From ikorey at comcast.net  Wed Jun 23 09:50:34 2010
From: ikorey at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 10:50:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <4C22216E.8070706@pobox.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4C22216E.8070706@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilBPA9wc05bhO1hBTpySzZT91nzQe5b4NEaEyiF@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:

> Is CVAR the only vintage racing organization that requires lever shocks for
> authenticity?
>

No. However, TR4's were allowed rear tube shock conversions in one of the
early SCCA GCR's (1961?), so with that in hand, I never had an issue when I
presented my TR4 with tube shock conversion for tech inspections (thanks to
Bill Dentinger for mentoring me on that).

I've had a TR250 since new and in all that time, I've had to replace one
> leaking shock.  Am I just lucky?
>

I don't think so. I never had to replace any in my TR6, also purchased new,
for leaking.

Irv Korey

From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Jun 23 11:20:26 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 12:20:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilBPA9wc05bhO1hBTpySzZT91nzQe5b4NEaEyiF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4C22216E.8070706@pobox.com>
	<AANLkTilBPA9wc05bhO1hBTpySzZT91nzQe5b4NEaEyiF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0877756D50@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

If you built your car to that GCR "year' and could prove it, CVAR would allow
it without points deduction. You just can't mix and match different allowable
specs from various GCR years to cherry pick what you want. CVAR allows SCCA
prepared cars up to 1972 GCR, with that year as the default if you don't have
the appropriate year GCR..

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
We are as happy as we make up our minds to be.
  ~ Abraham Lincoln


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Irv Korey
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:51 AM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:

> Is CVAR the only vintage racing organization that requires lever shocks for
> authenticity?
>

No. However, TR4's were allowed rear tube shock conversions in one of the
early SCCA GCR's (1961?), so with that in hand, I never had an issue when I
presented my TR4 with tube shock conversion for tech inspections (thanks to
Bill Dentinger for mentoring me on that).

I've had a TR250 since new and in all that time, I've had to replace one
> leaking shock.  Am I just lucky?
>

I don't think so. I never had to replace any in my TR6, also purchased new,
for leaking.

Irv Korey
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com

From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jun 23 12:10:20 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 13:10:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0877756D50@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4C22216E.8070706@pobox.com>
	<AANLkTilBPA9wc05bhO1hBTpySzZT91nzQe5b4NEaEyiF@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0877756D50@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <4C224E0C.1060100@pobox.com>

I tried not to learn too much about the rules, so I wouldn't knowingly 
cheat.  I believe CVAR group 4 is supposed to follow the 1961 GCR (if I 
remember correctly).  Apparently, tube shocks would be ok for a TR4, but 
not for a TR3.
Larry

Kramer, Robert wrote:
> If you built your car to that GCR "year' and could prove it, CVAR would allow it without points deduction. You just can't mix and match different allowable specs from various GCR years to cherry pick what you want. CVAR allows SCCA prepared cars up to 1972 GCR, with that year as the default if you don't have the appropriate year GCR..
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sales Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35
> Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-272-4141 Office
> 512-657-8526 Cell
> We are as happy as we make up our minds to be. 
>   ~ Abraham Lincoln  

From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jun 23 14:13:23 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 13:13:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0877756D50@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <20100623161323.1SQG9.875450.imail@fed1rmwml30>

I was racing in SCCA all during the 60's and early 70's and never saw a GCR that allowed tube shocks on the TR-3,4,250 0r TR 6. BUT, there should have been as I tried to homologate them and they refused. I did all the homologation from 1963 thru 1972 for Triumph and the tube shocks were never on the allowed list nor in the FREE parts sections..
---- "Kramer wrote: 

=============
If you built your car to that GCR "year' and could prove it, CVAR would allow
it without points deduction. You just can't mix and match different allowable
specs from various GCR years to cherry pick what you want. CVAR allows SCCA
prepared cars up to 1972 GCR, with that year as the default if you don't have
the appropriate year GCR..

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
We are as happy as we make up our minds to be.
  ~ Abraham Lincoln


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Irv Korey
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:51 AM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:

> Is CVAR the only vintage racing organization that requires lever shocks for
> authenticity?
>

No. However, TR4's were allowed rear tube shock conversions in one of the
early SCCA GCR's (1961?), so with that in hand, I never had an issue when I
presented my TR4 with tube shock conversion for tech inspections (thanks to
Bill Dentinger for mentoring me on that).

I've had a TR250 since new and in all that time, I've had to replace one
> leaking shock.  Am I just lucky?
>

I don't think so. I never had to replace any in my TR6, also purchased new,
for leaking.

Irv Korey
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net



--
Never be beaten by equipment

From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jun 23 14:21:35 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 13:21:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <4C224E0C.1060100@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <20100623162135.NSF1A.875554.imail@fed1rmwml30>

There was a big shakeup in the SCCA when they merged with the California Sports Car Club and the Cal Clubs production car regulations. I was in charge of that portion of the merger for the Cal Club. That is when the SCCA went to performance classes instead of displacement classes.   Things changed a bunch, so you might check those dates pretty carefully. Before the Cal Club rules it was a factory option list that was allowed, but after it was a on a direct annual homologation paper listing all the pieces for the car and not necessarily an option list. Only those options okayed by the competition committee were allowed.
---- Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote: 

=============
I tried not to learn too much about the rules, so I wouldn't knowingly 
cheat.  I believe CVAR group 4 is supposed to follow the 1961 GCR (if I 
remember correctly).  Apparently, tube shocks would be ok for a TR4, but 
not for a TR3.
Larry

Kramer, Robert wrote:
> If you built your car to that GCR "year' and could prove it, CVAR would allow it without points deduction. You just can't mix and match different allowable specs from various GCR years to cherry pick what you want. CVAR allows SCCA prepared cars up to 1972 GCR, with that year as the default if you don't have the appropriate year GCR..
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sales Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35
> Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-272-4141 Office
> 512-657-8526 Cell
> We are as happy as we make up our minds to be. 
>   ~ Abraham Lincoln  
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net



--
Never be beaten by equipment

From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 23 17:53:34 2010
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 23:53:34 +0000
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.8.1277337143.911.fot@autox.team.net>

Hi Tony and Mike-

I have the same problem. Unfortunately, the current float bowl tops and 3 screw configuration doesn't give me this option.  All I can do is turn them 180 degrees. No space for fuel line if I place the pivot front or rear.   

Are there options or different tops for the bowls that can help solve this problem that folks are aware of?

Coming out of left handers right now floods badly and allows others to make some great passes!

Thx in advance for the help

Ty


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 00:18:19 
To: Mike Mehl<mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; Triumph Friends of<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4

Mike, the tops of the float bowls need to be oriented so that the 
pivot for the float is at the front or the rear, not to either side.

- Tony Drews

At 11:34 PM 6/19/2010, Mike Mehl wrote:
>I finally have my head issues sorted out and ready to run in Seattle July 4
>weekend.  The car seems to hesitate when I turn the car a sharp left.  Any
>thoughts would be great.
>
>Mike
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com

From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Jun 23 19:04:46 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:04:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>
	<20100624001004.09101187950@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <CA4EC15F71A2459AB225DA529E5475E1@Bud>

Hi tyler...with your carbs on the right side of the engine, a right hand 
turn wil 'starve' your carbs..not flood them...you will probably have enough 
fuel in the float bowl when you go into the turn to get you through it..then 
you're out of gas at the exit..
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
To: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>; <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>; 
"MikeMehl" <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4


> Hi Tony and Mike-
>
> I have the same problem. Unfortunately, the current float bowl tops and 3 
> screw configuration doesn't give me this option.  All I can do is turn 
> them 180 degrees. No space for fuel line if I place the pivot front or 
> rear.
>
> Are there options or different tops for the bowls that can help solve this 
> problem that folks are aware of?
>
> Coming out of left handers right now floods badly and allows others to 
> make some great passes!
>
> Thx in advance for the help
>
> Ty
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 00:18:19
> To: Mike Mehl<mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; Triumph Friends of<fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
>
> Mike, the tops of the float bowls need to be oriented so that the
> pivot for the float is at the front or the rear, not to either side.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 11:34 PM 6/19/2010, Mike Mehl wrote:
>>I finally have my head issues sorted out and ready to run in Seattle July 
>>4
>>weekend.  The car seems to hesitate when I turn the car a sharp left.  Any
>>thoughts would be great.
>>
>>Mike
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net

From GRMTim at aol.com  Wed Jun 23 20:20:20 2010
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 22:20:20 EDT
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Mid Ohio
Message-ID: <3a3dc.2a3c4a68.39541ae4@aol.com>

We will be running the TR3 and we have some sixty entrants in our Classic 
Motorsports Small-bore Cup race.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723

From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jun 24 00:23:09 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 01:23:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20100624062226.861B518763E@autox.team.net>

With the 3 screws, there are 3 theoretical orientations of the float 
bowl tops.  Normally with the pivot at 90 to the centerline of the 
car, you will have the fuel line coming out to the right or to the 
left - I forget how the overflow line orientation goes.

You can mostly see it in this picture of Jack's car:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Done08engineR.jpg

My recollection is that the pivot is at the front on the front carb 
and at the rear on the rear carb.

Do whatever you have to do to the fuel line routing to get this 
orientation, it's very important.  We could reliably cause a major 
stumble in either right or left hand corners with any other float 
bowl top orientation.

You can swap the tops between carbs if that helps.

- Tony

At 06:53 PM 6/23/2010, tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:
>Hi Tony and Mike-
>
>I have the same problem. Unfortunately, the current float bowl tops 
>and 3 screw configuration doesn't give me this option.  All I can do 
>is turn them 180 degrees. No space for fuel line if I place the 
>pivot front or rear.
>
>Are there options or different tops for the bowls that can help 
>solve this problem that folks are aware of?
>
>Coming out of left handers right now floods badly and allows others 
>to make some great passes!
>
>Thx in advance for the help
>
>Ty
>
>
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
>Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
>Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 00:18:19
>To: Mike Mehl<mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; Triumph Friends of<fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
>
>Mike, the tops of the float bowls need to be oriented so that the
>pivot for the float is at the front or the rear, not to either side.
>
>- Tony Drews
>
>At 11:34 PM 6/19/2010, Mike Mehl wrote:
> >I finally have my head issues sorted out and ready to run in Seattle July 4
> >weekend.  The car seems to hesitate when I turn the car a sharp left.  Any
> >thoughts would be great.
> >
> >Mike
>_______________________________________________
>fot at autox.team.net
>
>http://www.fot-racing.com
>
>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>Unsubscribe: 
>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com

From s.janzen at comcast.net  Thu Jun 24 02:09:52 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:09:52 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Universal Joint Tool
Message-ID: <FAB0A594-46BF-4499-A9B8-745DCA1B8E6E@comcast.net>

Any recommendations for a good quality universal joint disassembly  
tool?  I'm tired of struggling with a vice, hammer and other odd bits.

From gaf3 at charter.net  Thu Jun 24 07:18:36 2010
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:18:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Universal Joint Tool
In-Reply-To: <FAB0A594-46BF-4499-A9B8-745DCA1B8E6E@comcast.net>
References: <FAB0A594-46BF-4499-A9B8-745DCA1B8E6E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4C235B2C.2020106@charter.net>

OTC Ball Joint Press
It's shaped like a C clamp and is used for u-joint removal without using 
the adapters.
It is about $100 and comes with a series of adapters and carrying case 
for pushing our pressed in ball joints.
Been using one for ~20years and it works great.
Glenn


Scott Janzen wrote:
> Any recommendations for a good quality universal joint disassembly  
> tool?  I'm tired of struggling with a vice, hammer and other odd bits.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net

From cartravel at pobox.com  Thu Jun 24 09:05:20 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:05:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <20100624062226.861B518763E@autox.team.net>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>
	<20100624062226.861B518763E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4C237430.1030504@pobox.com>

Tony,
If I remember correctly, I had to make another inlet by drilling another 
hole and inserting a tube using JB Weld.  The original tubes had to be 
capped.  I remember going all over town trying to find caps of the 
proper size.  I ended up with this goofy cap arrangement, but it works.  
Here are a couple of photos for those emailed directly. Everyone 
discovers this problem.  Sounds like a good item for TonyDrews.com
Larry

Tony Drews wrote:
> With the 3 screws, there are 3 theoretical orientations of the float 
> bowl tops.  Normally with the pivot at 90 to the centerline of the 
> car, you will have the fuel line coming out to the right or to the 
> left - I forget how the overflow line orientation goes.
>
> You can mostly see it in this picture of Jack's car:
> http://www.tonydrews.com/Done08engineR.jpg
>
> My recollection is that the pivot is at the front on the front carb 
> and at the rear on the rear carb.
>
> Do whatever you have to do to the fuel line routing to get this 
> orientation, it's very important.  We could reliably cause a major 
> stumble in either right or left hand corners with any other float bowl 
> top orientation.
>
> You can swap the tops between carbs if that helps.
>
> - Tony

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of HS6Carb03.JPG]

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of HS6Carb02.JPG]

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Jun 24 10:02:24 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:02:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Universal Joint Tool
In-Reply-To: <4C235B2C.2020106@charter.net>
References: <FAB0A594-46BF-4499-A9B8-745DCA1B8E6E@comcast.net>
	<4C235B2C.2020106@charter.net>
Message-ID: <02ba01cb13b6$a3307a70$e9916f50$@rr.com>

> OTC Ball Joint Press
> It's shaped like a C clamp and is used for u-joint removal without
> using
> the adapters.

FWIW, here's a link to the OTC tool
http://www.otctools.com/products/u-joint_removing-installing_tool

And here's a link to the cheap HF clone
http://tinyurl.com/2fbm6cg
(currently on sale for $40)

Personally, I think I'll go on using the shop press (which cost me about the
same as the OTC tool, and comes in handy for lots of other things <G>)

-- Randall 

From ikorey at comcast.net  Thu Jun 24 10:19:08 2010
From: ikorey at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:19:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <20100624000955.A2F39187960@autox.team.net>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>
	<20100624000955.A2F39187960@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimIJx4y7acIwDt3NWssOlZZ_ZKzODCCpydaw_3H@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Tony and Mike-
>
> I have the same problem. Unfortunately, the current float bowl tops and 3
> screw configuration doesn't give me this option.  All I can do is turn them
> 180 degrees. No space for fuel line if I place the pivot front or rear.
>
> Are there options or different tops for the bowls that can help solve this
> problem that folks are aware of?
>

It took me a while to remember this, as I did this so many years ago, but I
bought alternate HS6 float bowl covers from Joe Curto. From another,
non-TRiumph car, these covers had 2 tubes each, one for the fuel inlet, and
the other for the vent (replacing the hole and sheet metal cover vent
arrangement that were on my HS6's). Once aligned as Tony and others have
described, I had no more stumble out of the corners. An additional benefit
was that having a tube on the vents made it easy for me to run vent hoses
down and away from the engine bay.

http://www.joecurto.com/

NFI.

Irv Korey

From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 24 10:30:59 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:30:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Bring a Trailer daily mail TRIUMPH ITALIA FOR SALE
Message-ID: <60362DC3CF8941BBA8FF31A4002CAA72@Bud>

Bring a Trailer



            BaT Exclusive: 1960 Triumph Italia 2000 Project
            The Triumph Italia 2000 was deigned by Michelotti and built by
Vignale in Italy on a TR3 rolling chassis. The similarities to the later TR4
are unmistakable, and many consider this model to have been Michelotti's
design prototype for that model. About 329 examples were produced between 1959
and 1962. This car (Serial No. TS62649) has been stored since 1966. It runs
but needs substantial restoration, and is complete aside from bumpers, one
dash gauge, and the inside passenger door handle. Find it available in
Northwest Connecticut for $15k or best higher offer. Contact us at
mail at bringatrailer.com if you are interested.





            Continue reading at Bring a Trailer ;



            The Lovely Brute: 1968 McLaren M6B
            This 1968 McLaren M6B #50-07 is from the early Can-Am years before
the cars became more winged and radical. It's lines are perfect, and it has
been totally restored to new condition and not yet raced. Historical photos
and logbook are included showing the car's history at Road America, Mont
Tremblant, Bridgehampton, and Watkins Glen among other venues. Find it here on
eBay in Sumner, Washington. Special thanks to BaT reader Brian B. for this
submission!





            Continue reading at Bring a Trailer ;



            Non-Russian: 1957 Tatra 805 Radio Command
            This 1957 Tatra 805 Radio Command Unit is a one of very few 805's
in North America and is very original. This model is the Czech answer to the
UNIMOG, and features portal axles and locking differentials. Don't expect to
get anywhere quickly with the 60hp air-cooled engine, but not much will stand
in your way. Find it here on Kijiji in Ontario, Canada for $5000 (CDN?).
Special thanks to BaT reader Val T. for this submission!





            Continue reading at Bring a Trailer ;







            This message was intended for budscars at comcast.net. To
unsubscribe, click here.

            Copyright 2010 Bring a Trailer, LLC

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Jun 24 15:29:32 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 14:29:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net>
Message-ID: <005701cb13e4$56558eb0$0300ac10$@rr.com>

> The lever shock can
> "foam" the fluid so the damping effect is lost since the shock fluid is
> now foam rather than pure fluid.

Seems to me that it would be pretty trivial to fix that, if it is really a
problem.  The solution is the same as implemented in (some) tube shocks; add
a divider between the fluid and the expansion (air) space, so there is no
way for the fluid to get mixed with air (aka foam).

For lever shocks, I'm thinking of an external canister with a bladder in it,
somewhat similar to an Accusump (but much smaller of course).  Tap the top
cover of the lever shock for a fitting, run a line to the canister mounted
on a frame rail.  Since relatively little pressure is involved (just
whatever is generated as the shock heats up and forces oil into the
canister), the plumbing should be easy.  Hardest part is probably filling
and bleeding the air out of the hydraulic side.

Even some tube shocks use this setup:
http://www.shockabsorbersworld.com/shocks-reservoirs.html

-- Randall 

From billb at bnj.com  Thu Jun 24 16:21:56 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:21:56 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <005701cb13e4$56558eb0$0300ac10$@rr.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net> <005701cb13e4$56558eb0$0300ac10$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <E4116A85-91E2-4C95-8452-142993F71CD3@bnj.com>

It almost certainly will solve that problem, which leaves all the rest. I
think the biggest problem is structural--the damping has to happen over a very
short stroke. The lever greatly amplifies the distance to give adequate
travel, but that means the damping has to be much stronger to give a similar
damping force, and occurs over a small stroke. I think the stroke is important
because of the time required for the valving to respond and how fast the fluid
has to move.

That's all just theory, the bottom line is that when you put an armstrong on a
shock dyno it looks horrible. A classic shock damping profile looks like a D
laying on it's back. An armstrong profile looks more like a seismograph during
an earthquake. I know Tony Garmey and Jeff Quick fiddled with armstrongs on
Tony's shock dyno. I don't know if they ever got any improvement. I didn't see
their work, I put all of mine on a shock dyno here in Portland, hoping to
match them up and play with the valving. The guy who ran their dyno thought
they were broken. They weren't.

On Jun 24, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Randall wrote:

>> The lever shock can
>> "foam" the fluid so the damping effect is lost since the shock fluid is
>> now foam rather than pure fluid.
>
> Seems to me that it would be pretty trivial to fix that, if it is really a
> problem.  The solution is the same as implemented in (some) tube shocks;
add
> a divider between the fluid and the expansion (air) space, so there is no
> way for the fluid to get mixed with air (aka foam).
>
> For lever shocks, I'm thinking of an external canister with a bladder in
it,
> somewhat similar to an Accusump (but much smaller of course).  Tap the top
> cover of the lever shock for a fitting, run a line to the canister mounted
> on a frame rail.  Since relatively little pressure is involved (just
> whatever is generated as the shock heats up and forces oil into the
> canister), the plumbing should be easy.  Hardest part is probably filling
> and bleeding the air out of the hydraulic side.
>
> Even some tube shocks use this setup:
> http://www.shockabsorbersworld.com/shocks-reservoirs.html
>
> -- Randall
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com

From adams910 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 24 17:08:59 2010
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:08:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <E4116A85-91E2-4C95-8452-142993F71CD3@bnj.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net> <005701cb13e4$56558eb0$0300ac10$@rr.com>
	<E4116A85-91E2-4C95-8452-142993F71CD3@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimdatmHBtKuw_8-D--GtejDQCtNmrcWCpHz0Dwd@mail.gmail.com>

Be careful with using reservoirs with lever shocks. Most, if not all vintage
organizations, and some of the SCCA classes explicitly forbid remote
reservoir shocks. They make no discretion as whether it applies to lever or
tube shocks.

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Jun 24 17:44:45 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 16:44:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimdatmHBtKuw_8-D--GtejDQCtNmrcWCpHz0Dwd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net> <005701cb13e4$56558eb0$0300ac10$@rr.com>
	<E4116A85-91E2-4C95-8452-142993F71CD3@bnj.com>
	<AANLkTimdatmHBtKuw_8-D--GtejDQCtNmrcWCpHz0Dwd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007001cb13f7$3a48cad0$aeda6070$@rr.com>

> Most, if not all
> vintage
> organizations, and some of the SCCA classes explicitly forbid remote
> reservoir shocks.

Good point, I didn't know that. 

Making the bladder integral with the top cover would be a little trickier
... but only a little.

-- Randall 

From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 24 17:52:18 2010
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 23:52:18 +0000
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimIJx4y7acIwDt3NWssOlZZ_ZKzODCCpydaw_3H@mail.gmail.com>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net><20100624000955.A2F39187960@autox.team.net><AANLkTimIJx4y7acIwDt3NWssOlZZ_ZKzODCCpydaw_3H@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.9.1277424472.911.fot@autox.team.net>

Joe Curto is going to see if he has other tops to address this issue. 

If not, he indicated he has seen some racers remove the ears on the tops and use large washers to hold the tops down.  
Ty
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Irv Korey <ikorey at comcast.net>
Sender: emanteno at gmail.com
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:19:08 
To: <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
Cc: Tony Drews<tony at tonydrews.com>; <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>; Mike Mehl<mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; Triumph Friends of<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Tony and Mike-
>
> I have the same problem. Unfortunately, the current float bowl tops and 3
> screw configuration doesn't give me this option.  All I can do is turn them
> 180 degrees. No space for fuel line if I place the pivot front or rear.
>
> Are there options or different tops for the bowls that can help solve this
> problem that folks are aware of?
>

It took me a while to remember this, as I did this so many years ago, but I
bought alternate HS6 float bowl covers from Joe Curto. From another,
non-TRiumph car, these covers had 2 tubes each, one for the fuel inlet, and
the other for the vent (replacing the hole and sheet metal cover vent
arrangement that were on my HS6's). Once aligned as Tony and others have
described, I had no more stumble out of the corners. An additional benefit
was that having a tube on the vents made it easy for me to run vent hoses
down and away from the engine bay.

http://www.joecurto.com/

NFI.

Irv Korey

From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 24 17:55:03 2010
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 23:55:03 +0000
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimIJx4y7acIwDt3NWssOlZZ_ZKzODCCpydaw_3H@mail.gmail.com>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net><20100624000955.A2F39187960@autox.team.net><AANLkTimIJx4y7acIwDt3NWssOlZZ_ZKzODCCpydaw_3H@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.10.1277424481.911.fot@autox.team.net>

Joe Curto is going to see if he has other tops to address this issue. 

If not, he indicated he has seen some racers remove the ears on the tops and use large washers to hold the tops down.  
Ty
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Irv Korey <ikorey at comcast.net>
Sender: emanteno at gmail.com
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:19:08 
To: <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
Cc: Tony Drews<tony at tonydrews.com>; <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>; Mike Mehl<mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; Triumph Friends of<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Tony and Mike-
>
> I have the same problem. Unfortunately, the current float bowl tops and 3
> screw configuration doesn't give me this option.  All I can do is turn them
> 180 degrees. No space for fuel line if I place the pivot front or rear.
>
> Are there options or different tops for the bowls that can help solve this
> problem that folks are aware of?
>

It took me a while to remember this, as I did this so many years ago, but I
bought alternate HS6 float bowl covers from Joe Curto. From another,
non-TRiumph car, these covers had 2 tubes each, one for the fuel inlet, and
the other for the vent (replacing the hole and sheet metal cover vent
arrangement that were on my HS6's). Once aligned as Tony and others have
described, I had no more stumble out of the corners. An additional benefit
was that having a tube on the vents made it easy for me to run vent hoses
down and away from the engine bay.

http://www.joecurto.com/

NFI.

Irv Korey

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Jun 24 19:22:40 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 20:22:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net><20100624000955.A2F39187960@autox.team.net><AANLkTimIJx4y7acIwDt3NWssOlZZ_ZKzODCCpydaw_3H@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100625002721.945C5187684@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <B18DAD5C34524477A4879C877FD463E4@latitudefb1e41>

I think the Volvo HS6 top work. I've bought a bunch of these over the years 
and converted them to TR4 spec. TR4 HS6's are expensive but you can buy a 
pair of Volvo's for $50 sometimes.


Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
excellence.
Vince Lombardi
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
To: "Irv Korey" <ikorey at comcast.net>; <emanteno at gmail.com>
Cc: <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>; "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4


> Joe Curto is going to see if he has other tops to address this issue.
>
> If not, he indicated he has seen some racers remove the ears on the tops 
> and use large washers to hold the tops down.
> Ty

From horizonracing at msn.com  Thu Jun 24 20:37:56 2010
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:37:56 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <E4116A85-91E2-4C95-8452-142993F71CD3@bnj.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>,
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>,
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>,
	<4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net>
	<005701cb13e4$56558eb0$0300ac10$@rr.com>,
	<E4116A85-91E2-4C95-8452-142993F71CD3@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <SNT141-w232EF25B7F1FC35CAE0CB2B2C70@phx.gbl>

To Answer Bills Question, I do get improvement out of Lever Shocks. The
Biggest thing in using the Dyno is making sure that one matches the
other...and also in some cases moving the arms on the pivot shaft because the
car has been lowered so that the  pistons do not

bottom out.



Who's racing at the KIC ?? I'll be racing there in  something other than a TR
(sorry !)



> From: billb at bnj.com
> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:21:56 -0700
> To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
> It almost certainly will solve that problem, which leaves all the rest. I
> think the biggest problem is structural--the damping has to happen over a
very
> short stroke. The lever greatly amplifies the distance to give adequate
> travel, but that means the damping has to be much stronger to give a
similar
> damping force, and occurs over a small stroke. I think the stroke is
important
> because of the time required for the valving to respond and how fast the
fluid
> has to move.
>
> That's all just theory, the bottom line is that when you put an armstrong on
a
> shock dyno it looks horrible. A classic shock damping profile looks like a
D
> laying on it's back. An armstrong profile looks more like a seismograph
during
> an earthquake. I know Tony Garmey and Jeff Quick fiddled with armstrongs on
> Tony's shock dyno. I don't know if they ever got any improvement. I didn't
see
> their work, I put all of mine on a shock dyno here in Portland, hoping to
> match them up and play with the valving. The guy who ran their dyno thought
> they were broken. They weren't.
>
> On Jun 24, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Randall wrote:
>
> >> The lever shock can
> >> "foam" the fluid so the damping effect is lost since the shock fluid is
> >> now foam rather than pure fluid.
> >
> > Seems to me that it would be pretty trivial to fix that, if it is really
a
> > problem. The solution is the same as implemented in (some) tube shocks;
> add
> > a divider between the fluid and the expansion (air) space, so there is no
> > way for the fluid to get mixed with air (aka foam).
> >
> > For lever shocks, I'm thinking of an external canister with a bladder in
> it,
> > somewhat similar to an Accusump (but much smaller of course). Tap the top
> > cover of the lever shock for a fitting, run a line to the canister
mounted
> > on a frame rail. Since relatively little pressure is involved (just
> > whatever is generated as the shock heats up and forces oil into the
> > canister), the plumbing should be easy. Hardest part is probably filling
> > and bleeding the air out of the hydraulic side.
> >
> > Even some tube shocks use this setup:
> > http://www.shockabsorbersworld.com/shocks-reservoirs.html
> >
> > -- Randall
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
> > http://www.fot-racing.com
> >
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com

From billb at bnj.com  Thu Jun 24 21:16:21 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 20:16:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <SNT141-w232EF25B7F1FC35CAE0CB2B2C70@phx.gbl>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>,
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>,
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>,
	<4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net>
	<005701cb13e4$56558eb0$0300ac10$@rr.com>,
	<E4116A85-91E2-4C95-8452-142993F71CD3@bnj.com>
	<SNT141-w232EF25B7F1FC35CAE0CB2B2C70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F59E63A2-07F4-4423-9F21-BEB32E48D56B@bnj.com>

What's a KIC?

On Jun 24, 2010, at 7:37 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote:

> To Answer Bills Question, I do get improvement out of Lever Shocks. The
Biggest thing in using the Dyno is making sure that one matches the
other...and also in some cases moving the arms on the pivot shaft because the
car has been lowered so that the  pistons do not
> bottom out.
>
> Who's racing at the KIC ?? I'll be racing there in  something other than a
TR (sorry !)
>
>
> > From: billb at bnj.com
> > Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:21:56 -0700
> > To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com
> > CC: fot at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
> >
> > It almost certainly will solve that problem, which leaves all the rest. I
> > think the biggest problem is structural--the damping has to happen over a
very
> > short stroke. The lever greatly amplifies the distance to give adequate
> > travel, but that means the damping has to be much stronger to give a
similar
> > damping force, and occurs over a small stroke. I think the stroke is
important
> > because of the time required for the valving to respond and how fast the
fluid
> > has to move.
> >
> > That's all just theory, the bottom line is that when you put an armstrong
on a
> > shock dyno it looks horrible. A classic shock damping profile looks like a
D
> > laying on it's back. An armstrong profile looks more like a seismograph
during
> > an earthquake. I know Tony Garmey and Jeff Quick fiddled with armstrongs
on
> > Tony's shock dyno. I don't know if they ever got any improvement. I didn't
see
> > their work, I put all of mine on a shock dyno here in Portland, hoping to
> > match them up and play with the valving. The guy who ran their dyno
thought
> > they were broken. They weren't.
> >
> > On Jun 24, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Randall wrote:
> >
> > >> The lever shock can
> > >> "foam" the fluid so the damping effect is lost since the shock fluid
is
> > >> now foam rather than pure fluid.
> > >
> > > Seems to me that it would be pretty trivial to fix that, if it is really
a
> > > problem. The solution is the same as implemented in (some) tube shocks;
> > add
> > > a divider between the fluid and the expansion (air) space, so there is
no
> > > way for the fluid to get mixed with air (aka foam).
> > >
> > > For lever shocks, I'm thinking of an external canister with a bladder
in
> > it,
> > > somewhat similar to an Accusump (but much smaller of course). Tap the
top
> > > cover of the lever shock for a fitting, run a line to the canister
mounted
> > > on a frame rail. Since relatively little pressure is involved (just
> > > whatever is generated as the shock heats up and forces oil into the
> > > canister), the plumbing should be easy. Hardest part is probably
filling
> > > and bleeding the air out of the hydraulic side.
> > >
> > > Even some tube shocks use this setup:
> > > http://www.shockabsorbersworld.com/shocks-reservoirs.html
> > >
> > > -- Randall
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > fot at autox.team.net
> > >
> > > http://www.fot-racing.com
> > >
> > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
> > http://www.fot-racing.com
> >
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> > Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com

From mpendy at dishmail.net  Thu Jun 24 22:04:16 2010
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 21:04:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net><20100624000955.A2F39187960@autox.team.net><AANLkTimIJx4y7acIwDt3NWssOlZZ_ZKzODCCpydaw_3H@mail.gmail.com><20100625002721.945C5187684@autox.team.net>
	<B18DAD5C34524477A4879C877FD463E4@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <5A5B2DB12B40429680CCD8DC906F63B6@Pendys>

The float bowls that i have , have a center bolt to hold the cap on , this 
allows me to position the float arms any which way. Also prior owners put 
the rear carb bowl to the front of the carb( so both float bowls are to the 
right looking at the throats) for whatever reason . These carbs  also vented 
to the wheelhouse ............Mark P
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Kramer" <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
To: <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Irv Korey" <ikorey at comcast.net>; "Triumph Friends of" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4


>I think the Volvo HS6 top work. I've bought a bunch of these over the years 
>and converted them to TR4 spec. TR4 HS6's are expensive but you can buy a 
>pair of Volvo's for $50 sometimes.
>
>
> Bob Kramer
> Volente, TX
>
> Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
> excellence.
> Vince Lombardi
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
> To: "Irv Korey" <ikorey at comcast.net>; <emanteno at gmail.com>
> Cc: <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>; "Triumph Friends of" 
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
>
>
>> Joe Curto is going to see if he has other tops to address this issue.
>>
>> If not, he indicated he has seen some racers remove the ears on the tops 
>> and use large washers to hold the tops down.
>> Ty
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net

From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jun 24 23:35:50 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 00:35:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <5A5B2DB12B40429680CCD8DC906F63B6@Pendys>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>
	<20100624000955.A2F39187960@autox.team.net>
	<AANLkTimIJx4y7acIwDt3NWssOlZZ_ZKzODCCpydaw_3H@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100625002721.945C5187684@autox.team.net>
	<B18DAD5C34524477A4879C877FD463E4@latitudefb1e41>
	<5A5B2DB12B40429680CCD8DC906F63B6@Pendys>
Message-ID: <20100625053503.1747B187658@autox.team.net>

Sounds like the H-6 (long body) rather than the HS-6 (short 
body).  The HS-6 have 3 screws that hold the top of the float bowl on.

We often thought of trying to adapt the H-6 float bowl to the HS-6.

- Tony

At 11:04 PM 6/24/2010, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>The float bowls that i have , have a center bolt to hold the cap on 
>, this allows me to position the float arms any which way. Also 
>prior owners put the rear carb bowl to the front of the carb( so 
>both float bowls are to the right looking at the throats) for 
>whatever reason . These carbs  also vented to the wheelhouse ............Mark P
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
>To: <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
>Cc: "Irv Korey" <ikorey at comcast.net>; "Triumph Friends of" 
><fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:22 PM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
>
>
>>I think the Volvo HS6 top work. I've bought a bunch of these over 
>>the years and converted them to TR4 spec. TR4 HS6's are expensive 
>>but you can buy a pair of Volvo's for $50 sometimes.
>>
>>
>>Bob Kramer
>>Volente, TX
>>
>>Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can 
>>catch excellence.
>>Vince Lombardi
>>----- Original Message ----- From: <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
>>To: "Irv Korey" <ikorey at comcast.net>; <emanteno at gmail.com>
>>Cc: <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>; "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
>>Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:52 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
>>
>>
>>>Joe Curto is going to see if he has other tops to address this issue.
>>>
>>>If not, he indicated he has seen some racers remove the ears on 
>>>the tops and use large washers to hold the tops down.
>>>Ty
>>_______________________________________________
>>fot at autox.team.net
>>
>>http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net
>_______________________________________________
>fot at autox.team.net
>
>http://www.fot-racing.com
>
>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com

From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jun 24 23:39:09 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 00:39:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <7.1.0.9.0.20100625002804.059c6a18@tonydrews.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net> <005701cb13e4$56558eb0$0300ac10$@rr.com>
	<E4116A85-91E2-4C95-8452-142993F71CD3@bnj.com>
	<SNT141-w232EF25B7F1FC35CAE0CB2B2C70@phx.gbl>
	<F59E63A2-07F4-4423-9F21-BEB32E48D56B@bnj.com>
	<7.1.0.9.0.20100625002804.059c6a18@tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <20100625053820.50966187658@autox.team.net>

At 12:29 AM 6/25/2010, Tony Drews wrote:
>KIC is the Kohler International Challenge - the old Chicago 
>Historics at Road America in July.  Normally has all the nicest race 
>and street cars at it, and tons of spectators.  A good place to see 
>and be seen, but a place to watch out for the cars on the track and 
>the spectators in the paddock.
>
>- Tony
>
>At 10:16 PM 6/24/2010, Bill Babcock wrote:
>>What's a KIC?

From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri Jun 25 06:49:27 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 08:49:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
Message-ID: <d914.36fa0dd1.3955ffd7@aol.com>

In a message dated 06/24/2010 9:49:10 PM Central Daylight Time, 
horizonracing at msn.com writes:


> Who's racing at the KIC ?? I'll be racing there in  something other than 
> a TR
> (sorry !)
> 

Bob Wismer will be there racing our Tornado Thunder Bolt, and I'll be there 
racing my TR3.

Bill Dentinger

From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri Jun 25 06:52:44 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 08:52:44 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
Message-ID: <dbf7.141d298b.3956009c@aol.com>

In a message dated 06/24/2010 10:36:04 PM Central Daylight Time, 
billb at bnj.com writes:


> What's a KIC?
> 

Kohler International Challenge with Brian Redman Present by FORD (a 
mouthful, huh?).  Formally the BRIC (Brian Redman International Challenge), but 
even earlier it was Joe Marchetti's infamous CHICAGO HISTORIC RACES.

All at Elkhart Lake's ROAD AMERICA.

Bill Dentinger.

From igofaster at att.net  Fri Jun 25 10:01:49 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 09:01:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Universal Joint Tool
In-Reply-To: <FAB0A594-46BF-4499-A9B8-745DCA1B8E6E@comcast.net>
References: <FAB0A594-46BF-4499-A9B8-745DCA1B8E6E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <871532.23908.qm@web180814.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Harbor Freight sells a 12 ton hydraulic shop press (with a stand) that sells
for WELL WORTH THE MONEY... I think it's under a $100.00  Effortless removal
of u-joints and the like....

Bobby Whitehead
To:
'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, June 24, 2010
3:09:52 AM
Subject: [Fot] Universal Joint Tool

Any recommendations for a good
quality universal joint disassembly  
tool?  I'm tired of struggling with a
vice, hammer and other odd bits.
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net

From mpendy at dishmail.net  Fri Jun 25 20:33:04 2010
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 19:33:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Universal Joint Tool
References: <FAB0A594-46BF-4499-A9B8-745DCA1B8E6E@comcast.net>
	<871532.23908.qm@web180814.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DCC9697B841A4B1CB9FDF2310783F15A@Pendys>

I checked with my local Napa store and the two kits from OTC would run me 
270.00.......Harbor Freight sounds pretty good       Mark P
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bobby Whitehead" <igofaster at att.net>
To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
Cc: "FoT Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Universal Joint Tool


> Harbor Freight sells a 12 ton hydraulic shop press (with a stand) that 
> sells
> for WELL WORTH THE MONEY... I think it's under a $100.00  Effortless 
> removal
> of u-joints and the like....
>
> Bobby Whitehead
> To:
> 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, June 24, 2010
> 3:09:52 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Universal Joint Tool
>
> Any recommendations for a good
> quality universal joint disassembly
> tool?  I'm tired of struggling with a
> vice, hammer and other odd bits.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive:
> http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net

From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Fri Jun 25 22:48:04 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 00:48:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Ted's Videos
Message-ID: <492289.5657.qm@smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Just saw some video that were posted on Ted's site (caution wedge
content!!).

 

Great stuff Ted

 

http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/racingdays.html

 

Paul

From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com  Sat Jun 26 06:29:14 2010
From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 08:29:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] wheels
In-Reply-To: <005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>
References: <005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>
Message-ID: <4C25F29A.30504@twcny.rr.com>

Actually, the beer in the Philippines is not that bad - could be the 
heat. Similarly, after setting up several manufacturing lines in the 
Philippines I can honestly tell you that Ford, Toyota and many other 
major manufacturers have major operations and are fabricating the parts 
for your cars in the Philippines. They have access to technology and the 
best materials and because of our relationship in WWII they ALL are 
taught very good English in grade school which makes manufacturing down 
there fabulous.

There are many after-market wheels I personally would never put in a 
stressful environment with tiny spokes but the 8 spoke Rota has a nice 
cross section and with that price I would love to put them on my street 
car as I am in a dilemma with my steel wheels right now. Tires are tough 
to get and I learned the rims are not safety rims which means a high 
speed (60mph not high speed for FOT'rs) flats can be dangerous - not to 
mention that they frequently crack and mine were raced for years in the 
60s and lived through my teenage years.

So my question is just what wheels of their line might fit? They have 
15x7 and 15x8 with 4mm and 12mm offsets. Sounds like spacers and 
interference for a TR3 since most aftermarket wheels sold for TR3 stop 
at 5.5". I am intrigued by their 16x7's for a lower profile outlaw look 
- they have the same offsets. Anyone have experience fitting these up to 
a TR3? I just don't want tires sticking out the fenders don't really 
care if my turning radius is hindered.

Best,

Mark

From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 27 13:08:50 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:08:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
Message-ID: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Here is what I have done with some great input from several FOT folks.  I am
narrowing down the problems some what.  
Here is what I have done. As they say
start from a measurable starting point.
	* checked points and timing
	*
re-centered the needles (the front carb was sticking - fixed now)
	* changed
from gross jets to needles supplied from Joe Curto
	* set the floats to 3/16"
* installed vent lines
car runs great in a straight line.  It seems to be
loading up on left hand turns.  I am attaching a photo of the carb set up. 
Based on the many FOT posts on re positioning the floats should i do that
next.  It loaded up so badly the car stopped.   Should i change the float
levels to 1/8".   I am I missing something obvious??  I am trying to sort as
much of this out as I can before I go to Seattle Thursday for the Historics.
 
Thanks for any input.
 
Mike Mehl

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSC_0242.JPG]

From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jun 27 13:24:27 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 13:24:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
In-Reply-To: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C27A56B.2020908@bradakis.com>

The email lists have attachments, like photos, stripped before getting 
mailed out.
One can use http://www.team.net/forums and post photos there, and then tell
folks about it.  Like the picture I just put up this morning regarding a 
topic
on the land-speed list:

http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=57

It has nothing to do with Triumphs, it is just an example of posting
a photo and providing a link to it on the email list.


mjb.

From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sun Jun 27 13:56:40 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:56:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <20100624062226.861B518763E@autox.team.net>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>
	<20100624062226.861B518763E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4C27ACF8.2090201@greenheart.com>

How many of you are running a carb set up like this photo of "Jack's 
car" sent by Tony?
http://www.tonydrews.com/Done08engineR.jpg
--Justin





Tony Drews wrote:

> With the 3 screws, there are 3 theoretical orientations of the float 
> bowl tops.  Normally with the pivot at 90 to the centerline of the 
> car, you will have the fuel line coming out to the right or to the 
> left - I forget how the overflow line orientation goes.
>
> You can mostly see it in this picture of Jack's car:
> http://www.tonydrews.com/Done08engineR.jpg
>
> My recollection is that the pivot is at the front on the front carb 
> and at the rear on the rear carb.
>
> Do whatever you have to do to the fuel line routing to get this 
> orientation, it's very important.  We could reliably cause a major 
> stumble in either right or left hand corners with any other float bowl 
> top orientation.
>
> You can swap the tops between carbs if that helps.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 06:53 PM 6/23/2010, tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Tony and Mike-
>>
>> I have the same problem. Unfortunately, the current float bowl tops 
>> and 3 screw configuration doesn't give me this option.  All I can do 
>> is turn them 180 degrees. No space for fuel line if I place the pivot 
>> front or rear.
>>
>> Are there options or different tops for the bowls that can help solve 
>> this problem that folks are aware of?
>>
>> Coming out of left handers right now floods badly and allows others 
>> to make some great passes!
>>
>> Thx in advance for the help
>>
>> Ty
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
>> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
>> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 00:18:19
>> To: Mike Mehl<mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; Triumph Friends 
>> of<fot at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
>>
>> Mike, the tops of the float bowls need to be oriented so that the
>> pivot for the float is at the front or the rear, not to either side.
>>
>> - Tony Drews
>>
>> At 11:34 PM 6/19/2010, Mike Mehl wrote:
>> >I finally have my head issues sorted out and ready to run in Seattle 
>> July 4
>> >weekend.  The car seems to hesitate when I turn the car a sharp 
>> left.  Any
>> >thoughts would be great.
>> >
>> >Mike
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>> Unsubscribe: 
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner at greenheart.com

From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 27 15:10:17 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 14:10:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
In-Reply-To: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <508788.31609.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I adjusted the floats to 1/8".  Ran the car.  It just dies on a left hand
turn.   It runs great on a right hand turn and a straight line. 
________________________________
From: Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To:
Triumph Friends of <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 12:08:50 PM
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

Here is what I
have done with some great input from several FOT folks.  I am
narrowing down
the problems some what.  
Here is what I have done. As they say
start from a
measurable starting point.
    * checked points and timing
    *
re-centered
the needles (the front carb was sticking - fixed now)
    * changed
from gross
jets to needles supplied from Joe Curto
    * set the floats to 3/16"
*
installed vent lines
car runs great in a straight line.  It seems to be
loading up on left hand turns.  I am attaching a photo of the carb set up.
Based on the many FOT posts on re positioning the floats should i do that
next.  It loaded up so badly the car stopped.  Should i change the float
levels to 1/8".  I am I missing something obvious??  I am trying to sort as
much of this out as I can before I go to Seattle Thursday for the Historics.
Thanks for any input.

Mike Mehl

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type
image/jpeg which had a name of DSC_0242.JPG]
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com

From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 27 17:14:41 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 16:14:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Figured it OUT!!!!!!!!! ya hoo Re: More help needed on HS6
 hesitation 1962 TR4
In-Reply-To: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <969356.44993.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Well - I filled the car up with fuel (just to rule level out) and drove back
down to the school parking lot.  I made the hard left and as soon as it
started to die, I shut off the fuel and ignition and opened the hood.  I
pulled the float covers off and the rear carb float was full (flooded).  So
know I know what the problem is.  It doesn't do it going right.  I am going to
check the float, needle (new and check again).  Could be a bad float or it is
binding on left turns.  Any way I am super jazzed I could figure this out
before Seattle.  

I am getting there.  I must say having never working on or
driving a TR before I start this project I have learned alot.  

Mike Mehl
________________________________
From: Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To:
Triumph Friends of <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 12:08:50 PM
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

Here is what I
have done with some great input from several FOT folks.  I am
narrowing down
the problems some what.  
Here is what I have done. As they say
start from a
measurable starting point.
    * checked points and timing
    *
re-centered
the needles (the front carb was sticking - fixed now)
    * changed
from gross
jets to needles supplied from Joe Curto
    * set the floats to 3/16"
*
installed vent lines
car runs great in a straight line.  It seems to be
loading up on left hand turns.  I am attaching a photo of the carb set up.
Based on the many FOT posts on re positioning the floats should i do that
next.  It loaded up so badly the car stopped.  Should i change the float
levels to 1/8".  I am I missing something obvious??  I am trying to sort as
much of this out as I can before I go to Seattle Thursday for the Historics.
Thanks for any input.

Mike Mehl

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type
image/jpeg which had a name of DSC_0242.JPG]
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com

From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun Jun 27 17:20:23 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:20:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
In-Reply-To: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C27DCB7.7070805@pobox.com>

Mike,
If you don't get the floats oriented properly, you won't solve the 
problem.  Just look at the floats and think about how it is going to 
slosh to one side.  The problem should be obvious.
Larry

Mike Mehl wrote:
> Based on the many FOT posts on re positioning the floats should i do that
> next.  

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jun 27 23:37:44 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:37:44 +0200
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<508788.31609.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <000601cb1684$0a4f3b90$1eedb2b0$@com>

After having a look on your photo I would think the trouble is caused by
your fuel lines.
They are going horizontal towards the carbs beginning by the fender.
The centrifugal forces do have effect on the fuel, so your engine does
starve fuel on a left hander and might flood on a right hander.

To cure this I would put the feeding line to the rear carb, starting from
the battery box area and then do a short connector UNDER the intake trumpets
to the front carb.
Also check the pressure of your fuel pump. Maybe the pressure is too low.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Juni 2010 23:19
An: 'Mike Mehl'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

Can you send a photo of your configuration?

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Mike Mehl
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Juni 2010 23:10
An: Mike Mehl; Triumph Friends of
Betreff: Re: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

I adjusted the floats to 1/8".  Ran the car.  It just dies on a left hand
turn.   It runs great on a right hand turn and a straight line.
________________________________
From: Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To:
Triumph Friends of <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 12:08:50 PM
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

Here is what I
have done with some great input from several FOT folks.  I am
narrowing down
the problems some what.
Here is what I have done. As they say
start from a
measurable starting point.
    * checked points and timing
    *
re-centered
the needles (the front carb was sticking - fixed now)
    * changed
from gross
jets to needles supplied from Joe Curto
    * set the floats to 3/16"
*
installed vent lines
car runs great in a straight line.  It seems to be
loading up on left hand turns.  I am attaching a photo of the carb set up.
Based on the many FOT posts on re positioning the floats should i do that
next.  It loaded up so badly the car stopped.  Should i change the float
levels to 1/8".  I am I missing something obvious??  I am trying to sort as
much of this out as I can before I go to Seattle Thursday for the Historics.
Thanks for any input.

Mike Mehl

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type
image/jpeg which had a name of DSC_0242.JPG]
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jun 27 23:49:05 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:49:05 +0200
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<508788.31609.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>  
Message-ID: <000701cb1685$9fc17bb0$df447310$@com>

Mike,

just for testing:
Losen the fuel lines from the fender, bend them over and fix them on the
other side of the carb on the valve cover and go for a test ride and see if
there is a change.
Would be interesting to see if the carbs might starve on right handers.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 28. Juni 2010 07:38
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

After having a look on your photo I would think the trouble is caused by
your fuel lines.
They are going horizontal towards the carbs beginning by the fender.
The centrifugal forces do have effect on the fuel, so your engine does
starve fuel on a left hander and might flood on a right hander.

To cure this I would put the feeding line to the rear carb, starting from
the battery box area and then do a short connector UNDER the intake trumpets
to the front carb.
Also check the pressure of your fuel pump. Maybe the pressure is too low.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Juni 2010 23:19
An: 'Mike Mehl'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

Can you send a photo of your configuration?

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Mike Mehl
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Juni 2010 23:10
An: Mike Mehl; Triumph Friends of
Betreff: Re: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

I adjusted the floats to 1/8".  Ran the car.  It just dies on a left hand
turn.   It runs great on a right hand turn and a straight line.
________________________________
From: Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To:
Triumph Friends of <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 12:08:50 PM
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

Here is what I
have done with some great input from several FOT folks.  I am
narrowing down
the problems some what.
Here is what I have done. As they say
start from a
measurable starting point.
    * checked points and timing
    *
re-centered
the needles (the front carb was sticking - fixed now)
    * changed
from gross
jets to needles supplied from Joe Curto
    * set the floats to 3/16"
*
installed vent lines
car runs great in a straight line.  It seems to be
loading up on left hand turns.  I am attaching a photo of the carb set up.
Based on the many FOT posts on re positioning the floats should i do that
next.  It loaded up so badly the car stopped.  Should i change the float
levels to 1/8".  I am I missing something obvious??  I am trying to sort as
much of this out as I can before I go to Seattle Thursday for the Historics.
Thanks for any input.

Mike Mehl

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type
image/jpeg which had a name of DSC_0242.JPG]
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com

From jaboruch at netzero.net  Mon Jun 28 11:59:49 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 17:59:49 GMT
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
Message-ID: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com>

I have both my lines coming from a fuel regulator on the inner fender and then
across to each carb, and have never had an issue with starvation or flooding
in corners.  I am running slicks and am cornering at over 1g.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:37:44 +0200

After having a look on your photo I would think the trouble is caused by
your fuel lines.
They are going horizontal towards the carbs beginning by the fender.
The centrifugal forces do have effect on the fuel, so your engine does
starve fuel on a left hander and might flood on a right hander.

To cure this I would put the feeding line to the rear carb, starting from
the battery box area and then do a short connector UNDER the intake trumpets
to the front carb.
Also check the pressure of your fuel pump. Maybe the pressure is too low.

Cheers
Chris


____________________________________________________________
Penny Stock Jumping 2000%
Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today!
http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c28e348a3ad8af4dbst02duc

From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Jun 28 12:32:59 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:32:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
In-Reply-To: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com>
References: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0877BA0783@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

A lot of us use this very same set up, paying attention to SU float bowl lid
orientation and we don't suffer fuel starvation. In my current TR4A I use a
Holley regulator split to go to the carburetors and a Fuel Pressure gauge
complete with inline isolator and I've never had a problem.

I had this same type of setup in my previous car, a TR4 but I had to solve a
miss much like what has been described. That car had a welded up tranny mount,
UK sourced racing front engine mounts (hard) and a turnbuckle stay that
limited engine movement. It would show up under full throttle at the exit of
turns. It's been so long that I can't remember if it was right or left turns.
I think that engine vibrations that weren't being damped elsewhere were
foaming up the fuel in the float bowls.

I ended up going back to the rubber tranny mount and I put a 2" o-ring between
the intake manifold and the isolator plates. I used a 2" hole saw to create a
small locating groove. This solved the problem. I now fill the tranny mount
with silicone to help it hold together and do a little dampening.

I also make sure to use OEM style float bowl bolts and I replace the little
rubber bushing without over-tightening. I had one of those bolts break once
and it acted up immediately. Having a float bowl hanging by the fuel line is a
good argument for overflow lines.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
We are as happy as we make up our minds to be.
  ~ Abraham Lincoln



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Joe Boruch
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 1:00 PM
To: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

I have both my lines coming from a fuel regulator on the inner fender and
then
across to each carb, and have never had an issue with starvation or flooding
in corners.  I am running slicks and am cornering at over 1g.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:37:44 +0200

After having a look on your photo I would think the trouble is caused by
your fuel lines.
They are going horizontal towards the carbs beginning by the fender.
The centrifugal forces do have effect on the fuel, so your engine does
starve fuel on a left hander and might flood on a right hander.

To cure this I would put the feeding line to the rear carb, starting from
the battery box area and then do a short connector UNDER the intake trumpets
to the front carb.
Also check the pressure of your fuel pump. Maybe the pressure is too low.

Cheers
Chris


____________________________________________________________
Penny Stock Jumping 2000%
Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today!
http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c28e348a3ad8af4dbst02duc
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com

From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Jun 29 08:44:04 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:44:04 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Original TR4A Tonneau Cover...
Message-ID: <fa8a0.4b8dbdf1.395b60b4@aol.com>

Amici...

During the summer my daily driver is a 1962 TR4.  This morning at the local 
restaurant where I often stop for coffee and to read the paper, a guy was 
quite fascinated with my car.  We got to talking and he said years ago he had 
a new TR4A (IRS).  He said he still has the original tonneau it came with, 
which he described as being in very good condition.  He said he's been 
meaning to put it on eBay, but never gets around to it.  He asked if I was 
interested in it.  I am not.  I already have two for my car, and further, I think 
there may be a distinction between the TR4 and TR4A (IRS) version (at least 
Moss lists different part numbers.  Anyway, they are about $700 new these 
days, and I think he said he wants $150 for it.  

I have NOT seen it, nor do I have any financial interest in this matter.  
If you want to check it out, the guy's name is John Gunney.  He lives in the 
metro-Milwaukee, Wisconsin area, and his telephone number is 262/781-3937.

Bill Dentinger

From brad.kahler at 141.com  Tue Jun 29 11:41:40 2010
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 13:41:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear axle bearing
Message-ID: <AANLkTildse3Hcz0M2zylSTdvBXIvcnJDQtUW8Kr-SLMk@mail.gmail.com>

Amici,

I need to replace one of the rear wheel bearings on my street TR4.
Rather than take the time to order from one of the normal suppliers
I'm wondering if anyone would know what the part number for the
bearing and race might be from say Timken or National? (or any other
brand that I can cross reference locally).

Thanks!

Brad

From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Jun 29 11:55:44 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:55:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear axle bearing
References: <AANLkTildse3Hcz0M2zylSTdvBXIvcnJDQtUW8Kr-SLMk@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65D865EB04E34181A33A4337F155F6E1@Bud>

i suggest taking the bearing to a NAPA parts store..they will measure it, 
and match it up for you on the spot..at least the store here in Sonoma, Ca. 
does.
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Kahler" <brad.kahler at 141.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:41 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear axle bearing


> Amici,
>
> I need to replace one of the rear wheel bearings on my street TR4.
> Rather than take the time to order from one of the normal suppliers
> I'm wondering if anyone would know what the part number for the
> bearing and race might be from say Timken or National? (or any other
> brand that I can cross reference locally).
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brad
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net

From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Jun 29 12:02:57 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:02:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear axle bearing
In-Reply-To: <65D865EB04E34181A33A4337F155F6E1@Bud>
References: <AANLkTildse3Hcz0M2zylSTdvBXIvcnJDQtUW8Kr-SLMk@mail.gmail.com>
	<65D865EB04E34181A33A4337F155F6E1@Bud>
Message-ID: <93A6A9FE567F4BB58482760BD3F6D833@joepentiumnew>

In addition, the old bearing and race will most likely have the manufacturer
and part numbers on them.  That will make matching them up a snap.

But then, you probably want to take the old one off and install the new one
in the same session.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of RACER BUD
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:56 AM
To: Brad Kahler; Friends of Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 rear axle bearing

i suggest taking the bearing to a NAPA parts store..they will measure it, 
and match it up for you on the spot..at least the store here in Sonoma, Ca. 
does.
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Kahler" <brad.kahler at 141.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:41 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear axle bearing


> Amici,
>
> I need to replace one of the rear wheel bearings on my street TR4.
> Rather than take the time to order from one of the normal suppliers
> I'm wondering if anyone would know what the part number for the
> bearing and race might be from say Timken or National? (or any other
> brand that I can cross reference locally).
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brad
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Tue Jun 29 12:52:33 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:52:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear axle bearing
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTildse3Hcz0M2zylSTdvBXIvcnJDQtUW8Kr-SLMk@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTildse3Hcz0M2zylSTdvBXIvcnJDQtUW8Kr-SLMk@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <016601cb17bc$3ccb5480$b661fd80$@rr.com>

> I'm wondering if anyone would know what the part number for the
> bearing and race might be from say Timken or National? (or any other
> brand that I can cross reference locally).

www.rockauto.com has a surprising number of parts listed for our cars, along
with the manufacturer part numbers (and pretty good prices, usually).

Looks like TR4 rear wheel bearings are a National 2523 cup (@ $14) plus a
National 2585 cone (@ $23).
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/x,carcode,1351707,parttype,1672

Not a lot cheaper than TRF (especially if you belong to their "customer
investment plan"), but at least they give the part numbers.

-- Randall 

From brad.kahler at 141.com  Tue Jun 29 13:58:02 2010
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 15:58:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear axle bearing
In-Reply-To: <016601cb17bc$3ccb5480$b661fd80$@rr.com>
References: <AANLkTildse3Hcz0M2zylSTdvBXIvcnJDQtUW8Kr-SLMk@mail.gmail.com>
	<016601cb17bc$3ccb5480$b661fd80$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinECLMU8Bs4hoyKLWXiE0DIFVn8tP97573wl9Nd@mail.gmail.com>

Randall,

Thanks for the part numbers.  Rock Autos price isn't all that much
cheaper than TRF or Moss.  I'm hoping a local bearing house will be a
little cheaper.

Thanks!

Brad


On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>> I'm wondering if anyone would know what the part number for the
>> bearing and race might be from say Timken or National? (or any other
>> brand that I can cross reference locally).
>
> www.rockauto.com has a surprising number of parts listed for our cars, along
> with the manufacturer part numbers (and pretty good prices, usually).
>
> Looks like TR4 rear wheel bearings are a National 2523 cup (@ $14) plus a
> National 2585 cone (@ $23).
> http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/x,carcode,1351707,parttype,1672
>
> Not a lot cheaper than TRF (especially if you belong to their "customer
> investment plan"), but at least they give the part numbers.
>
> -- Randall

From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue Jun 29 16:11:54 2010
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:11:54 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Videos from Brands Hatch and Silverstone in the UK
Message-ID: <469CF7E072914BC0B3F7D82659739984@homekeith>

Dear All,

Thought that you might want to see some good old Brit vintage racing....

My 19 year old son Josh is racing his red/silver TR6 and a fellow racer, Jon
Ellison is racing his yellow TR6 in the Thoroughbred Sports Car
Championship; you get to see the same races with in-car from both cars. 

Cheers, Keith.

Brands from yellow TR6 http://www.blip.tv/file/3471210 

Brands from red TR6 http://www.blip.tv/file/3742656

Silv HGP from yellow TR6  http://jrellison.blip.tv/file/3722914/

Silv HGP from red TR6 http://blip.tv/file/3757561

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Jun 29 16:23:22 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:23:22 +0200
Subject: [Fot] King has died
In-Reply-To: <469CF7E072914BC0B3F7D82659739984@homekeith>
References: <469CF7E072914BC0B3F7D82659739984@homekeith>
Message-ID: <001801cb17d9$b0861370$11923a50$@com>

http://www.aronline.co.uk/index.htm?kinginterf.htm

Chris

From tlizzard at msn.com  Tue Jun 29 16:41:09 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 18:41:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Videos from Brands Hatch and Silverstone in the UK
In-Reply-To: <469CF7E072914BC0B3F7D82659739984@homekeith>
References: <469CF7E072914BC0B3F7D82659739984@homekeith>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS1577D9B1E6091ADDD4EC9C3CB0@phx.gbl>

Outstanding!!


Thanks.


Terry Stetler

From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 23:03:05 2010
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (T Thompson)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 22:03:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Figured it OUT!!!!!!!!! ya hoo Re: More help needed on
 HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
In-Reply-To: <969356.44993.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<969356.44993.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <499121.90834.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Tonight, I fabricated a large "washer" to put over the top of the float tops.  Essentially, I took some aluminum plate and drilled it out with a 2 3/4 inch hole saw. Then I took a 2 inch hole saw and used the same pilot hole to drill out the center (pilot hole kept it symmetrical. This combination of hole saw sizes seems to give me the washer width needed.  

Using the existing float top as a guide, I marked the orientation of the three screw holes on the *washer" and drilled them out.  Then I put the float tops on, oriented them front to rear, and placed the "washers" over the top lining it up with the existing screw holes in the float bowl and tightened it down.  Seems to seat fine and I have no leaks so far.

The only thing is that the screws inevitably end up under the fuel inlet and outlet to the second carb.  I am going to get a float top with a single fuel inlet like I have for the rear carb, put it on front, and just run separate lines to each carb. That way I only have one fuel inlet on the front bowl that will be a little bit harder to tighten.

Hoping this solves the flooding problem now that the float bowls are front to rear.  Hope this helps others if it works! will know next test and tune day (or drive around the hood).

Ty


________________________________
From: Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To: Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; Triumph Friends of <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 5:14:41 PM
Subject: [Fot] Figured it OUT!!!!!!!!! ya hoo Re: More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

Well - I filled the car up with fuel (just to rule level out) and drove back
down to the school parking lot.  I made the hard left and as soon as it
started to die, I shut off the fuel and ignition and opened the hood.  I
pulled the float covers off and the rear carb float was full (flooded).  So
know I know what the problem is.  It doesn't do it going right.  I am going to
check the float, needle (new and check again).  Could be a bad float or it is
binding on left turns.  Any way I am super jazzed I could figure this out
before Seattle.  

I am getting there.  I must say having never working on or
driving a TR before I start this project I have learned alot.  

Mike Mehl
________________________________
From: Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To:
Triumph Friends of <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 12:08:50 PM
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

Here is what I
have done with some great input from several FOT folks.  I am
narrowing down
the problems some what.  
Here is what I have done. As they say
start from a
measurable starting point.
    * checked points and timing
    *
re-centered
the needles (the front carb was sticking - fixed now)
    * changed
from gross
jets to needles supplied from Joe Curto
    * set the floats to 3/16"
*
installed vent lines
car runs great in a straight line.  It seems to be
loading up on left hand turns.  I am attaching a photo of the carb set up.
Based on the many FOT posts on re positioning the floats should i do that
next.  It loaded up so badly the car stopped.  Should i change the float
levels to 1/8".  I am I missing something obvious??  I am trying to sort as
much of this out as I can before I go to Seattle Thursday for the Historics.
Thanks for any input.

Mike Mehl

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type
image/jpeg which had a name of DSC_0242.JPG]
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com

From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Wed Jun 30 00:10:34 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:10:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Figured it OUT!!!!!!!!! ya hoo Re: More help needed on
 HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
In-Reply-To: <4C2ADEB7.70802@greenheart.com>
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<969356.44993.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<499121.90834.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<4C2ADEB7.70802@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <4C2ADFDA.7010605@greenheart.com>

check out this....  --Justin
http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=48221

T Thompson wrote:

Tonight, I fabricated a large "washer" to put over the top of the float 
tops.  Essentially, I took some aluminum plate and drilled it out with a 
2 3/4 inch hole saw. Then I took a 2 inch hole saw and used the same 
pilot hole to drill out the center (pilot hole kept it symmetrical. This 
combination of hole saw sizes seems to give me the washer width needed. 
Using the existing float top as a guide, I marked the orientation of the 
three screw holes on the *washer" and drilled them out.  Then I put the 
float tops on, oriented them front to rear, and placed the "washers" 
over the top lining it up with the existing screw holes in the float 
bowl and tightened it down.  Seems to seat fine and I have no leaks so far.

The only thing is that the screws inevitably end up under the fuel inlet 
and outlet to the second carb.  I am going to get a float top with a 
single fuel inlet like I have for the rear carb, put it on front, and 
just run separate lines to each carb. That way I only have one fuel 
inlet on the front bowl that will be a little bit harder to tighten.

Hoping this solves the flooding problem now that the float bowls are 
front to rear.  Hope this helps others if it works! will know next test 
and tune day (or drive around the hood).

Ty

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Wed Jun 30 07:35:43 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 08:35:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Figured it OUT!!!!!!!!! ya hoo Re: More help needed on
 HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><969356.44993.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><499121.90834.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com><4C2ADEB7.70802@greenheart.com>
	<4C2ADFDA.7010605@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <FFCA336E6E1B47E0AC2EAEC01BF65765@latitudefb1e41>

I've tried this "trick" part and it caused flooding in my TR4A. Raising the 
lid raised the float enough to bring the fuel level at the jet over the top. 
I didn't try to see if i could solve this problem because I could already 
get fuel to rise to that level without it. I have the part if anyone wants 
to try them.
Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
excellence.
Vince Lombardi
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Justin Wagner" <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
To: "Justin Wagner" <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
Cc: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Figured it OUT!!!!!!!!! ya hoo Re: More help needed on 
HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4


> check out this....  --Justin
> http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=48221
>
> T Thompson wrote:
>
> Tonight, I fabricated a large "washer" to put over the top of the float 
> tops.  Essentially, I took some aluminum plate and drilled it out with a 2 
> 3/4 inch hole saw. Then I took a 2 inch hole saw and used the same pilot 
> hole to drill out the center (pilot hole kept it symmetrical. This 
> combination of hole saw sizes seems to give me the washer width needed. 
> Using the existing float top as a guide, I marked the orientation of the 
> three screw holes on the *washer" and drilled them out.  Then I put the 
> float tops on, oriented them front to rear, and placed the "washers" over 
> the top lining it up with the existing screw holes in the float bowl and 
> tightened it down.  Seems to seat fine and I have no leaks so far.
>
> The only thing is that the screws inevitably end up under the fuel inlet 
> and outlet to the second carb.  I am going to get a float top with a 
> single fuel inlet like I have for the rear carb, put it on front, and just 
> run separate lines to each carb. That way I only have one fuel inlet on 
> the front bowl that will be a little bit harder to tighten.
>
> Hoping this solves the flooding problem now that the float bowls are front 
> to rear.  Hope this helps others if it works! will know next test and tune 
> day (or drive around the hood).
>
> Ty
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com

From oldspeed72 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 30 08:52:13 2010
From: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com (Mark Vanlake)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 07:52:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Cooling
Message-ID: <551676.61524.qm@web111003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Looking to upgrade my radiator/cooling system on my 72 TR6, What aftermarket radiator/s are the choice of the TR6 racers. Also, do you use an expansion tank, if so, could you forward me a pic of your system, much appreciated! 

From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Wed Jun 30 09:01:59 2010
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 08:01:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SPAM-LOW:   TR-6 Cooling
References: <551676.61524.qm@web111003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F8839D6A155A4358B1D93D2732F86255@Charly>

Try this.
http://www.rondavisradiators.com/72-74-Triumph-TR6-aluminum-.jpg
I think TRF has them also.
http://www.zeni.net/trf/TR6-250GC/index.php?menu=R&page=47

Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Vanlake" <oldspeed72 at yahoo.com>
To: <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>; "FOT LIST" <FOT at autox.team.net>
Cc: "Mark Van Lake" <mavanlake at fedex.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 7:52 AM
Subject: SPAM-LOW: [Fot] TR-6 Cooling


> Looking to upgrade my radiator/cooling system on my 72 TR6, What 
> aftermarket radiator/s are the choice of the TR6 racers. Also, do you use 
> an expansion tank, if so, could you forward me a pic of your system, much 
> appreciated!
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com

From andre at gt6.ca  Wed Jun 30 09:03:16 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 11:03:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Videos from Brands Hatch and Silverstone in the UK
In-Reply-To: <469CF7E072914BC0B3F7D82659739984@homekeith>
References: <469CF7E072914BC0B3F7D82659739984@homekeith>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikOGgqFlc3ZF87qZXr_xXYcYtMnbc6mQXNGIIca@mail.gmail.com>

Nice stuff.

Love the rear cam video feature.

I made my debut race at Mosport on the Father's Day weekend.
Sort of not TR related <grin>, but still it was a blast.

Videos are on my blog.

http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/

Only 2 TR 4's in my group, but I was no where near their pace. Still I
was have a lot of fun trading positions with some MG's.

A.


On 29 June 2010 18:11, Keith Files <keithfiles at btinternet.com> wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Thought that you might want to see some good old Brit vintage racing....
>
> My 19 year old son Josh is racing his red/silver TR6 and a fellow racer,
Jon
> Ellison is racing his yellow TR6 in the Thoroughbred Sports Car
> Championship; you get to see the same races with in-car from both cars.
>
> Cheers, Keith.
>
> Brands from yellow TR6 http://www.blip.tv/file/3471210
>
> Brands from red TR6 http://www.blip.tv/file/3742656
>
> Silv HGP from yellow TR6  http://jrellison.blip.tv/file/3722914/
>
> Silv HGP from red TR6 http://blip.tv/file/3757561
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Jun 30 09:10:23 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 11:10:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Cooling
In-Reply-To: <551676.61524.qm@web111003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <551676.61524.qm@web111003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1006301106160.29800@isis.mit.edu>

On Wed, 30 Jun 2010, Mark Vanlake wrote:

> Looking to upgrade my radiator/cooling system on my 72 TR6, What 
> aftermarket radiator/s are the choice of the TR6 racers. Also, do you 
> use an expansion tank, if so, could you forward me a pic of your system, 
> much appreciated!

I run 12:1 compression on my race car and I presently have a 3-row core in 
the stock radiator shell. It works just fine with an electric fan. This is 
all copper.

I bought an aluminum radiator a while back but haven't installed it, but 
it's either 3 or 4 row. Aluminum is def. better.

Bottom line - you want more rows. The stock setup has the rows lined up 
front to back, the newer cores have the rows offset so those cool better.

regards,
rml
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Lang              Triumph TR6!!            |  This space for rent
2010 NER Solo Chair                            |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 30 10:07:54 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 16:07:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Cooling
In-Reply-To: <1371972986.71951277912324544.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <926357831.85161277914073997.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Gus, 

I use an aluminum radiator. I paid less than $ 200.00 for it. I don't remember where I got it 

but I have attached a link to an ebay sale. This rad. looks just like mine. 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/209672-19-X-28-ALUMINUM-RACE-RADIATOR-FORD-MOPAR-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1c11732501QQitemZ120551843073QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories 



I built radiator cradles out of aluminum angle from Home depot. 

I'll send a photo off-list. 

Jim G 




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Vanlake" <oldspeed72 at yahoo.com> 
To: fot-bounces at autox.team.net, "FOT LIST" <FOT at autox.team.net> 
Cc: "Mark Van Lake" <mavanlake at fedex.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:52:13 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain 
Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Cooling 

Looking to upgrade my radiator/cooling system on my 72 TR6, What aftermarket radiator/s are the choice of the TR6 racers. Also, do you use an expansion tank, if so, could you forward me a pic of your system, much appreciated! 
_______________________________________________ 
fot at autox.team.net 

http://www.fot-racing.com 

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html 
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums 
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net 

From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Jun 30 10:41:39 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 09:41:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3
 wheel cars ... Carter B. Smith
Message-ID: <3BE6D95E71494240A40631C38C308A5A@Bud>

      This is a Terrific Video...click on the link below.
      Racer Bud







                The BBC Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more
three-wheeled cars b
                (both videos are hysterically FUNNY!)

                http://www.autoblog.com/2010/06/28/video-clarkson-demonstrate
s-why-there-arent-more-three-wheeled/#continued

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 30 13:42:20 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:42:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Ignition timing in a TR-4
Message-ID: <2109157066.168061277926940874.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Greetings FoT

I am planning to attend the Kastner Cup in August and I'm not sure where my
timing

wants to be at roughly 800 ft above sea level. My only experience with the TR4
is at

5200 ft. and 36 -B 38 degrees BTDC is the norm around here. The car has 12.5:1

compression and I generally use 108 octane fuel.

Any advice for Topeka would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Jim G.

From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Jun 30 13:43:59 2010
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 15:43:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] classic car insurance
Message-ID: <AANLkTinu5z66FGH58mw2BmEH3IPQQzAsgRgla4uv7irU@mail.gmail.com>

On an off-track note, who are folks using for 'classic' street car
insurance? Guy here @ the office is buying a Caterham replica and is looking
for something other than the usual insurers.

Thanks,
iii

From d.hesse at charter.net  Wed Jun 30 14:19:09 2010
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 13:19:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] classic car insurance
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinu5z66FGH58mw2BmEH3IPQQzAsgRgla4uv7irU@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100630161909.1JVQ7.8321140.root@mp06>

We use Grundy for the 35 Ford 5-window coupe street rod. They were very good to work with when my wife hit a deer with it. It was taken to the shop of our choice for repairs and they covered it without any hassles. We have it insured with them for a set dollar amount as far as replacement costs.

---- robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com> wrote:

=============
On an off-track note, who are folks using for 'classic' street car
insurance? Guy here @ the office is buying a Caterham replica and is looking
for something other than the usual insurers.

Thanks,
iii
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/d.hesse at charter.net

From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jun 30 13:47:32 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 12:47:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Ignition timing in a TR-4
In-Reply-To: <2109157066.168061277926940874.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <2109157066.168061277926940874.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <D896F879-6A9F-4144-BCF5-DD9A0083CB71@bnj.com>

You are unlikely to need to change your timing if you get the carburetion
right. In theory if you are using SU you should be OK, in practice you might
want to go a little richer. If you're using webers you will have to spend an
hour or so doing plug chops and getting your compensator and main jet right.
You'll need a couple of sets of new spark plugs to get it just right.
On Jun 30, 2010, at 12:42 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:

> Greetings FoT
>
> I am planning to attend the Kastner Cup in August and I'm not sure where my
> timing
>
> wants to be at roughly 800 ft above sea level. My only experience with the
TR4
> is at
>
> 5200 ft. and 36 -B 38 degrees BTDC is the norm around here. The car has
12.5:1
>
> compression and I generally use 108 octane fuel.
>
> Any advice for Topeka would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim G.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Wed Jun 30 15:19:17 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 16:19:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Ignition timing in a TR-4
References: <2109157066.168061277926940874.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <9850872F6C784A179D815D741999D2CA@latitudefb1e41>

I only run 31 degrees but I'm near sea level.
Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
excellence.
Vince Lombardi
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 2:42 PM
Subject: [Fot] Ignition timing in a TR-4


> Greetings FoT
>
> I am planning to attend the Kastner Cup in August and I'm not sure where 
> my
> timing
>
> wants to be at roughly 800 ft above sea level. My only experience with the 
> TR4
> is at
>
> 5200 ft. and 36 -B 38 degrees BTDC is the norm around here. The car has 
> 12.5:1
>
> compression and I generally use 108 octane fuel.
>
> Any advice for Topeka would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim G.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 30 15:29:00 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:29:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Ignition timing in a TR-4
In-Reply-To: <D896F879-6A9F-4144-BCF5-DD9A0083CB71@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <1726439947.205811277933340609.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Thanks Bill, 

I'm running Mikuni HSR 45's. The jetting will be a snap with 200 mains & a couple notches on the needle jet clips. I just don't want to knock any holes in my pistons & 36 - 38 seems a bit much for that elevation. 



jg 




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com> 
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net 
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:47:32 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Ignition timing in a TR-4 

You are unlikely to need to change your timing if you get the carburetion right. In theory if you are using SU you should be OK, in practice you might want to go a little richer. If you're using webers you will have to spend an hour or so doing plug chops and getting your compensator and main jet right. You'll need a couple of sets of new spark plugs to get it just right. 
On Jun 30, 2010, at 12:42 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: 

> Greetings FoT 
> 
> I am planning to attend the Kastner Cup in August and I'm not sure where my 
> timing 
> 
> wants to be at roughly 800 ft above sea level. My only experience with the TR4 
> is at 
> 
> 5200 ft. and 36 -B 38 degrees BTDC is the norm around here. The car has 12.5:1 
> 
> compression and I generally use 108 octane fuel. 
> 
> Any advice for Topeka would be appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Jim G. 
> _______________________________________________ 
> fot at autox.team.net 
> 
> http://www.fot-racing.com 
> 
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html 
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums 
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com 

From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 30 16:42:54 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 16:42:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Ignition timing in a TR-4
In-Reply-To: <1726439947.205811277933340609.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1726439947.205811277933340609.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <85FB8786-2E47-4DC3-B951-E03E9D6A2DE9@earthlink.net>

Jim,
My guess is that with that much total, the initial would be too much  
for a hot-start ["bucking" against the starter].
My rule of thumb is +1 deg per thousand feet over 2000. You're at 5000 
+ [as am I] so I would suggest -3 as a starter.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
 From there keep an eye out for any sign of blistering of the plugs.

On Jun 30, 2010, at 3:29 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:

> Thanks Bill,
>
> I'm running Mikuni HSR 45's. The jetting will be a snap with 200  
> mains & a couple notches on the needle jet clips. I just don't want  
> to knock any holes in my pistons & 36 - 38 seems a bit much for  
> that elevation.
>
>
>
> jg
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
> To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
> Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:47:32 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada  
> Mountain
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Ignition timing in a TR-4
>
> You are unlikely to need to change your timing if you get the  
> carburetion right. In theory if you are using SU you should be OK,  
> in practice you might want to go a little richer. If you're using  
> webers you will have to spend an hour or so doing plug chops and  
> getting your compensator and main jet right. You'll need a couple  
> of sets of new spark plugs to get it just right.
> On Jun 30, 2010, at 12:42 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:
>
>> Greetings FoT
>>
>> I am planning to attend the Kastner Cup in August and I'm not sure  
>> where my
>> timing
>>
>> wants to be at roughly 800 ft above sea level. My only experience  
>> with the TR4
>> is at
>>
>> 5200 ft. and 36 -B 38 degrees BTDC is the norm around here. The  
>> car has 12.5:1
>>
>> compression and I generally use 108 octane fuel.
>>
>> Any advice for Topeka would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jim G.
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ 
> lunkercars at earthlink.net

From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Wed Jun 30 19:46:34 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:46:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 bumper brackets
Message-ID: <4C2BF37A.5060602@cfl.rr.com>

All,

I am searching for TR3 left and right bumper brackets (part that 
attaches to the front frame rails) to buy. Any leads appreciated.

thxx,
Bob

From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Wed Jun 30 20:56:27 2010
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 12:56:27 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Australian 18th All Triumph Race
Message-ID: <91CA9BDD45D245D8BA89BA21278C62FB@GEOFFPC>

Amici
The 18th Australian All Triumph Race was run last Sunday at Wakefield Park
Raceway about 3hours drive south of Sydney
This year a record number of 22 entries faced the starter on a clear crisp
winters day. The race was held in conjunction with the 50 year celebration of
TSOA NSW . The club put on a great display of some 60 Triumphs of various
vintage who all enjoyed a parade drive around the track and provided great
spectator support for the racing

The race field was made up of
Three Dolimite Sprints including one turbo
Four TR8s and four TR7s
One TR6 and two GT6s
five TR3s and three Sedans ,
The race was won by Mark Morsillo in his turbo charged Dolimite Sprint
followed by Bill Birney in his 3.9 TR8 and yours trully Geoff Byrne in my TR6
historic race car. I was please to do a PB by taking 2 secs off my best time
due to some extra HP found by metering unit tweeks.
We were fortunate to have two major sponsors for the race and $2000 in prize
money was distributed through the field and a special trophy was awarded to
Andrew Gibson for being the first side screen home in eighth place.

Geoff Byrne
TR6 Racer Down Under

From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Jun 30 23:08:54 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 22:08:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Ed Barnard
Message-ID: <3194934D0E884DCEA825F3B13E34F36A@joepentiumnew>

Would Ed contact me off list?

Thanks,
Joe C.

From gasket.works at verizon.net  Wed Jun 30 23:54:40 2010
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 22:54:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Videos from Brands Hatch and Silverstone in the UK
References: <469CF7E072914BC0B3F7D82659739984@homekeith>
Message-ID: <008001cb18e1$e6186de0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

WAY cool.

thanks
Mordy

M.N.Dunst 
Gasket Works USA, LLC
www.Headgasket.com
626.358.1616 ph
626.628.3777 fx

Triple R Munitions, Inc.
Class 6  Certified F.F.L.
626.201.9471
GMT -8 Pacific

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun  1 07:18:03 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:18:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7DD@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Can anyone tell me the stock spring rate for the 1500 Spitfire's rear
spring?  This would be a swing-spring.



It's time to get the car back to the frame & spring shop.  The rear
spring has started to sag a little and we've now got what looks like 6-8
degrees of negative camber back there.  The tire temperatures are much
higher on the inner edges than in the middle and outer edges.  And the
car's twitchier than hell - very loose.



There's a non-stock spring back there now, which is a little too light
since I borrowed it from an 1147 car, along with its axles.  I'd like to
be able give the spring shop a benchmark for how stiff the stock spring
is.



Scott B.


From gt6steve at aol.com  Tue Jun  1 09:18:30 2010
From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 11:18:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7DD@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7DD@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <8CCCFB4D3A5F211-1F38-1EAF6@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>

I recall something like 800 Lbs for the GT6 spring.  That from the factory
workshop manual.

Perhaps it's specced out in the 1500 manual?





-----Original Message-----
From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 6:18 am
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate


Can anyone tell me the stock spring rate for the 1500 Spitfire's rear
pring?  This would be a swing-spring.

It's time to get the car back to the frame & spring shop.  The rear
pring has started to sag a little and we've now got what looks like 6-8
egrees of negative camber back there.  The tire temperatures are much
igher on the inner edges than in the middle and outer edges.  And the
ar's twitchier than hell - very loose.

There's a non-stock spring back there now, which is a little too light
ince I borrowed it from an 1147 car, along with its axles.  I'd like to
e able give the spring shop a benchmark for how stiff the stock spring
s.

Scott B.
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun  1 09:36:12 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:36:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate
In-Reply-To: <8CCCFB4D3A5F211-1F38-1EAF6@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7DD@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<8CCCFB4D3A5F211-1F38-1EAF6@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7F1@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Thanks - I'll have to check that out.  I don't have a Spit factory
manual - just the one for the GT6.  Time to get one, I suppose.





From: gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:gt6steve at aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:19 AM
To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate




I recall something like 800 Lbs for the GT6 spring.  That from the
factory workshop manual.



Perhaps it's specced out in the 1500 manual?



-----Original Message-----
From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 6:18 am
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate

Can anyone tell me the stock spring rate for the 1500 Spitfire's rear
spring?  This would be a swing-spring.



It's time to get the car back to the frame & spring shop.  The rear
spring has started to sag a little and we've now got what looks like 6-8
degrees of negative camber back there.  The tire temperatures are much
higher on the inner edges than in the middle and outer edges.  And the
car's twitchier than hell - very loose.



There's a non-stock spring back there now, which is a little too light
since I borrowed it from an 1147 car, along with its axles.  I'd like to
be able give the spring shop a benchmark for how stiff the stock spring
is.



Scott B.
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com <http://www.fot-racing.com/>

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com


From chasgee at aol.com  Tue Jun  1 10:17:30 2010
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 12:17:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7F1@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7DD@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><8CCCFB4D3A5F211-1F38-1EAF6@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7F1@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <8CCCFBD11DE5078-23F8-4B86@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com>

Try this: http://www.thedirtforum.com/leafspringrate.htm

It gives numbers that don't quite make sense for a transverse leaf spring
mounting, but it's an easy way to compare what you have to other options.  The
spring shop will also understand this number better.  It also jibes with what
you find when you measure the rate with a press and scales.

Your twitcheness and inside tire temperatures is most likely caused by too
much toe out at the rear.  The cars really like to wildly oversteer with even
a little bit of toe out.  Set the car up for 1/16 or, better yet, 1/8 toe in
per side.  This makes the car much more stable.

Chuck





-----Original Message-----
From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: gt6steve at aol.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:36 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate


Thanks - I'll have to check that out.  I don't have a Spit factory
anual - just the one for the GT6.  Time to get one, I suppose.


From: gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:gt6steve at aol.com]
ent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:19 AM
o: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net
ubject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate


 recall something like 800 Lbs for the GT6 spring.  That from the
actory workshop manual.

Perhaps it's specced out in the 1500 manual?

-----Original Message-----
rom: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
o: fot at autox.team.net
ent: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 6:18 am
ubject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate
Can anyone tell me the stock spring rate for the 1500 Spitfire's rear
pring?  This would be a swing-spring.

It's time to get the car back to the frame & spring shop.  The rear
pring has started to sag a little and we've now got what looks like 6-8
egrees of negative camber back there.  The tire temperatures are much
igher on the inner edges than in the middle and outer edges.  And the
ar's twitchier than hell - very loose.

There's a non-stock spring back there now, which is a little too light
ince I borrowed it from an 1147 car, along with its axles.  I'd like to
e able give the spring shop a benchmark for how stiff the stock spring
s.

Scott B.
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com <http://www.fot-racing.com/>
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun  1 10:33:18 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:33:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate
In-Reply-To: <8CCCFBD11DE5078-23F8-4B86@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7DD@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><8CCCFB4D3A5F211-1F38-1EAF6@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7F1@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<8CCCFBD11DE5078-23F8-4B86@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7F8@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Thanks.  We'll have to check the rear toe again.  We had it set up with
1/8th toe in at the rear, but maybe it has changed.  It's pretty stable
in a straight line, so I hadn't considered the toe question.



I'll check out the rate link, too.



Scott



From: chasgee at aol.com [mailto:chasgee at aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:18 AM
To: Barr, Scott; gt6steve at aol.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate




Try this: http://www.thedirtforum.com/leafspringrate.htm



It gives numbers that don't quite make sense for a transverse leaf
spring mounting, but it's an easy way to compare what you have to other
options.  The spring shop will also understand this number better.  It
also jibes with what you find when you measure the rate with a press and
scales.



Your twitcheness and inside tire temperatures is most likely caused by
too much toe out at the rear.  The cars really like to wildly oversteer
with even a little bit of toe out.  Set the car up for 1/16 or, better
yet, 1/8 toe in per side.  This makes the car much more stable.



Chuck


-----Original Message-----
From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 6:18 am
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate

Can anyone tell me the stock spring rate for the 1500 Spitfire's rear
spring?  This would be a swing-spring.



It's time to get the car back to the frame & spring shop.  The rear
spring has started to sag a little and we've now got what looks like 6-8
degrees of negative camber back there.  The tire temperatures are much
higher on the inner edges than in the middle and outer edges.  And the
car's twitchier than hell - very loose.



There's a non-stock spring back there now, which is a little too light
since I borrowed it from an 1147 car, along with its axles.  I'd like to
be able give the spring shop a benchmark for how stiff the stock spring
is.



Scott B.


From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Jun  1 12:19:53 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:19:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: 59 TR3 REBUILT TRANSMISSION
Message-ID: <892ED36C2F59493AB0B9C86DEF39E911@Bud>

Hi Gang..this looks like a good price for a TR3 tranny...it's in Sonoma
county, Ca..., about 1/2 way between Petaluma and Santa Rosa on Hwy. 101.
Racer Bud



http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/pts/1763800685.html


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Jun  1 15:12:20 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 16:12:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Solved TR4 H6 starting
Message-ID: <000001cb01cf$20635570$612a0050$@com>

We were running the fuel bowls dry by shutting off the fuel pump on shut
down to try and solve the starting problem, which was the engine loading up
with fuel.  I think this caused the problem because when the fuel pump was
turned on a spurt of gas would shoot out of the jets.  The inlets on the
bowl covers are directly above the outlet from the bowl into the jet.  Until
the float rises in the empty bowl to shut off the flow we get that spurt of
gas causing a really rich mixture and the loading up.

                I just did a normal shut down of fuel off, ignition off.  On
startup I made sure to get the revs up to 2000 -2500 until the EGT's got
above 900.  I did about 6 test starts over the weekend, a couple after
sitting the car out in the sun (high 80's temperature) and had no problem.
I just have to wait about 30 - 40 seconds for the engine to warm up a bit
and everything is okay to go after that.  A nice idle at around 1500 - 1700.

 

                Thanks to all of the suggestions.  I'm still going to check
some of the other things mentioned but I think the basic problem was
starting on empty float bowls.  In trying to solve the problem when we had
sinking floats I caused the hard starting problem.

 

Tim and Ryan Murphy

1961 TR4 #317


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Jun  1 15:39:51 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 21:39:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Last weeks nomination
Message-ID: <192409507.3031451275428391293.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Last week Tyler Thompson was nominatedB with aB second. I don't think he has
been added to the list yet.

Jim G.



tylerpthompson at yahoo.com


From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Wed Jun  2 05:44:01 2010
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:44:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question
In-Reply-To: <314835.75410.qm@web180304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <314835.75410.qm@web180304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimRV7KAv0Te3FM4vKuocyuftXObPAXhkIkdoAY0@mail.gmail.com>

The Harbor Freight ramps work well but you need to reinforce them a little,
I add a 1 by 2  inch piece of aluminum on one side and a aluminum "L" angle
to the out side, works great for the price and light too. handles my TR-4
racer just fine. That is the one with the solid middle section.

rob deanes

On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Tim Pettenati <tpettenati at yahoo.com>wrote:

> All this talk of trailer ramps and then I spot the Harbor Freight Memorial
> Day
> sale flyer.  Hey those ramps look just like mine and I know the the PO
> couldn't pass on cheap barely adequate crap.  So I found the specs and they
> are rated at 1000 lbs per pair total.  Sounds a bit under spec. for a car
> that
> I'm guessing is about 1400+ lbs.
>
> After a bit of measuring - The ramps are 6
> ft. long and the Spit wheelbase is slightly longer. I only have a pair of
> wheels on the ramps at any time while loading and unloading.  So far they
> worked fine for a dozen or more cycles.
>
> If you are looking for the cheap
> adequate solution and have a short wheelbase, go find the HFreight coupon
> for
> $39.99.
>
> Tim
>  _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com


From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  2 09:23:27 2010
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:23:27 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Last weeks nomination
Message-ID: <mailman.3.1638251560.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

Jim-

I am on the list and getting all the emails. Thanks for the nomination. As you know I can use all the help I can get figuring out how to catch you!

See you in Pueblo. 

Ty 
------Original Message------
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: fot
Subject: [Fot] Last weeks nomination
Sent: Jun 1, 2010 2:39 PM

Last week Tyler Thompson was nominatedB with aB second. I don't think he has
been added to the list yet.

Jim G.



tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com




Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jun  2 11:33:25 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:33:25 -0700
Subject: [Fot] The Cup event
Message-ID: <20100602133325.IQRDZ.607209.imail@fed1rmwml46>

Time is passing fast and only a couple more months to get your team ready for the Cup Race  in Topeka.  This is a great race track with huge paved tiered pit area.  You can see a lot of the course from the pits and there are some great observations points to watch the races.  Hope to see a lot of you Triumph guys there in he middle of August. 
--
Never be beaten by equipment


From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Jun  2 12:04:51 2010
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:04:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] The Cup event
In-Reply-To: <20100602133325.IQRDZ.607209.imail@fed1rmwml46>
References: <20100602133325.IQRDZ.607209.imail@fed1rmwml46>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimsvjzOj01K9TRLYOrltBeBALnOlfsnifgJjdfp@mail.gmail.com>

Unfortunately work is calling.  I am going to be on a project in England for
the next 7-10 months -- so, maybe next year.  Hope to find some way to rent
car and track time while I am there.  Will be in the Birmingham area -- any
insightful information  appreciated.

Wish good luck and good racing to all!

Will keep up on the FOT mail for sure.

Chuck

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:

> Time is passing fast and only a couple more months to get your team ready
> for the Cup Race  in Topeka.  This is a great race track with huge paved
> tiered pit area.  You can see a lot of the course from the pits and there
> are some great observations points to watch the races.  Hope to see a lot of
> you Triumph guys there in he middle of August.
> --
> Never be beaten by equipment
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com
>
>
>


-- 
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley


From lfritz82 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  2 21:30:27 2010
From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 23:30:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 for sale
Message-ID: <SNT143-w52BD9AEB0D3656C82D821DDAD10@phx.gbl>

I have a friend who is thinking of selling his TR6 race car.  If anyone is
interested contact him (Gary Sullivan) at sullivan141 at hughes.net.     Thanks
Lorne
_________________________________________________________________
The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with
Hotmail.
http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID2832
6::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jun  3 09:54:49 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 10:54:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kas Cup dates and links
Message-ID: <20100603155355.B67D6187679@autox.team.net>

I thought it would be helpful for all to have actual links to the 
event and hotel stuff for the Kas Cup in August, so I put this 
together.  I have nothing to do with the organization of this event, though.

Name and dates:
O'REILLY VINTAGE GRAND PRIX

AUGUST 19-22,  2010
AT HEARTLAND PARK TOPEKA
TOPEKA, KANSAS

Kastner Cup 2010 race website:
http://heartlandvintageracing.com/

Entry form:
http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/RaceCarEntry.pdf

Event schedule:
http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/Schedule.pdf

Hotel:
http://www.topekaramada.com/
Ask for the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix rate, I believe.

 From an earlier e-mail:
Topeka's Ramada Inn is sponsoring a dinner at the hotel on Thursday night.

This will be for all entrants, crew, and support people who are registered at
the hotel.

Cheers,
Tony Drews


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Jun  3 10:39:21 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 10:39:21 -0600
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kas Cup dates and links
In-Reply-To: <20100603155355.B67D6187679@autox.team.net>
References: <20100603155355.B67D6187679@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4C3760A3E1BE4219A9E486CDC484EBBD@hal9000>

Just FYI, the current event
schedule is going to be
changed.
The way it is now CP & DP are
scheduled to run just before
the cup and EP and FP run
right after the cup.
It's going to be changed to
give us a little separation
between events.
jg



-----Original Message-----
From:
fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team
.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010
9:55 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kas Cup
dates and links

I thought it would be helpful
for all to have actual links
to the 
event and hotel stuff for the
Kas Cup in August, so I put
this 
together.  I have nothing to
do with the organization of
this event, though.

Name and dates:
O'REILLY VINTAGE GRAND PRIX

AUGUST 19-22,  2010
AT HEARTLAND PARK TOPEKA
TOPEKA, KANSAS

Kastner Cup 2010 race website:
http://heartlandvintageracing.
com/

Entry form:
http://www.heartlandvintagerac
ing.com/RaceCarEntry.pdf

Event schedule:
http://www.heartlandvintagerac
ing.com/Schedule.pdf

Hotel:
http://www.topekaramada.com/
Ask for the Heartland Vintage
Grand Prix rate, I believe.

 From an earlier e-mail:
Topeka's Ramada Inn is
sponsoring a dinner at the
hotel on Thursday night.

This will be for all entrants,
crew, and support people who
are registered at
the hotel.

Cheers,
Tony Drews
______________________________
_________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate:
http://www.team.net/donate.htm
l
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums:
http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/
options/fot/toodamnfunky at comca
st.net


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Jun  3 18:49:26 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:49:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Attendees at HEARTLAND PARK?   JUST A SIMPLE RESPONSE
Message-ID: <8CCD196EAB41662-103C-75BA@webmail-d007.sysops.aol.com>

I'd like to report back to our hosts.

Just a simple

YES
NO
MAYBE

DRIVER
CREW

REPLY to me.

Thanks!

Joe A


From Catpusher at aol.com  Thu Jun  3 22:01:55 2010
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 00:01:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Subject:  TR3 wins at SCCA National
Message-ID: <7cd72.7d8c361a.3939d4b3@aol.com>

Hi Joe (B)
 
I just returned from a trip to Alaska, and add my congratulations!
 
Hardy
 
Date:  Tue, 18 May 2010 18:08:36 GMT
From: "Joe Boruch"  <jaboruch at netzero.net>
Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA  National
To:  fot at autox.team.net


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Jun  5 16:44:01 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 18:44:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <8CCD317BA00360F-1B0C-FB1A@Webmail-m121.sysops.aol.com>

Sam Halkias will join us at Heartland Park in August for the Kastner Cup. His
Plan is to bring SCCA Champ Car and a vintage TR6 racer.

I heard from RMVR and there is a strong group of TR4s heading out of the
mountains to the Central Plains.

I havnt heard  from VARA or SOVERN folks....well, Chuck Arnold will be in the
UK. And John James is unable to make it this year. We will miss both of them.

Looks like 30 plus cars at this point.

I am pleased.

Joe A


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sun Jun  6 16:12:29 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 18:12:29 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis
Message-ID: <20adb.15fbd512.393d774d@cs.com>

Does anyone know Steve Sargis?

Thanks</HTML>


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Jun  6 18:00:18 2010
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 20:00:18 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis
Message-ID: <24bac.201a8480.393d9092@aol.com>

Are you joking?  Everyone knows Steve Sargis!  He's a Triumph  hero!
 
Errr, wait..you mean Email...ermmm...no....never mind
 
Steve ;-))
 
 
In a message dated 6/6/2010 3:55:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
N197TR4 at cs.com writes:

Does  anyone know Steve  Sargis?

Thanks
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate:  http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:  http://www.team.net/archive
Forums:  http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:  http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com


From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  7 06:11:29 2010
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 05:11:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis
In-Reply-To: <24bac.201a8480.393d9092@aol.com>
Message-ID: <579800.89209.qm@web57601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I've seen Sargis race several times and had the chance to look over his red
Spitfire; both him and the car are incredibly interesting and fast.  Maybe
that is why he holds the fast lap for GP at Road America.
 
Ernie

--- On Sun, 6/6/10, Gt6steve at aol.com <Gt6steve at aol.com> wrote:


From: Gt6steve at aol.com <Gt6steve at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Steve Sargis
To: N197TR4 at cs.com, fot at autox.team.net
Cc: FOT at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, June 6, 2010, 7:00 PM


Are you joking?  Everyone knows Steve Sargis!  He's a Triumph  hero!

Errr, wait..you mean Email...ermmm...no....never mind

Steve ;-))


In a message dated 6/6/2010 3:55:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
N197TR4 at cs.com writes:

Does  anyone know Steve  Sargis?

Thanks
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate:  http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:  http://www.team.net/archive
Forums:  http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:  http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com


From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  7 06:11:29 2010
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 05:11:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis
In-Reply-To: <24bac.201a8480.393d9092@aol.com>
Message-ID: <579800.89209.qm@web57601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I've seen Sargis race several times and had the chance to look over his red
Spitfire; both him and the car are incredibly interesting and fast.  Maybe
that is why he holds the fast lap for GP at Road America.
 
Ernie

--- On Sun, 6/6/10, Gt6steve at aol.com <Gt6steve at aol.com> wrote:


From: Gt6steve at aol.com <Gt6steve at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Steve Sargis
To: N197TR4 at cs.com, fot at autox.team.net
Cc: FOT at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, June 6, 2010, 7:00 PM


Are you joking?  Everyone knows Steve Sargis!  He's a Triumph  hero!

Errr, wait..you mean Email...ermmm...no....never mind

Steve ;-))


In a message dated 6/6/2010 3:55:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
N197TR4 at cs.com writes:

Does  anyone know Steve  Sargis?

Thanks
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate:  http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:  http://www.team.net/archive
Forums:  http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:  http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Jun  7 07:15:05 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:15:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Bob Goes for a Sunday Drive
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1006070911030.26905@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I just got a new videa recoreder, a Motorsports Hero HD...

We (NER/SCCA) ran an autocross last Sunday and I shot some vids.

The weather was really bizarre as we were under a tornado watch pretty 
much all day and we even had some severe weather off and on during the 
day.

Anyway, check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNYKLxHNeE0

c ya,
rml
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Lang              Triumph TR6!!            |  This space for rent
2010 NER Solo Chair                            |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
---------------------------------------------------------------------------


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Jun  7 08:43:26 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 10:43:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT   Spitfires   and  Steve Sargis
Message-ID: <8CCD466EC45FB59-5B4-131B6@webmail-d025.sysops.aol.com>

FOT,

The reason for asking about Steve Sargis is about Spitfires.  Spitfire
interest for vintage racing has been growing.

I'd like to have the FOT invite Steve Sargis to the Heartland.

I am amazed at the growth of Triumph vintage racing in the central states.
Entries for this event bear that out. Having Steve Sargis there may be an
inspiration to more of the Sptifire/GT6 wanabees.

If it hadnt been for Bob Wismer in 1990 we would not have launched our
efforts, first with a Saab Sonnett, then the TR4, which we have run for 20
years.  I went from a long time wanabee to the vintage scene.  (Andre will
likely cut his teeth on the Fiat and then come back to TRs)

Sam Halkias is coming. Steve Sargis would be a nice addition. Hardy being
there would be VERY cool, I need discuss with him, yet, but he has really paid
his dues to the Triumph Community. Have not said anything to Jack Wheeler yet
either, but will.

Four National Champs at Heartland would be very cool.

Anyway....any support here would be appreciated. I dont know Steve Sargis, but
I think he may enjoy what we are doing. I know Kas would like to see him....he
was featured in Kas' first book.

Thanks,

Joe


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Jun  7 15:16:07 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:16:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Attendees at HEARTLAND PARK?   JUST A SIMPLE RESPONSE
References: <8CCD196EAB41662-103C-75BA@webmail-d007.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <5FF421549D8C4C20A9EEE5674474DBD3@rocky>

When is it?

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:49 PM
Subject: [Fot] Attendees at HEARTLAND PARK? JUST A SIMPLE RESPONSE


> I'd like to report back to our hosts.
>
> Just a simple
>
> YES
> NO
> MAYBE
>
> DRIVER
> CREW
>
> REPLY to me.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe A
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com


From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Jun  7 18:02:22 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:02:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Bob Goes for a Sunday Drive
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1006070911030.26905@isis.mit.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1006070911030.26905@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <C77AFC692C2347589A0C2C84D2D4355C@joepentiumnew>

Bob, that was no autocross!  It was more like a Time Trial.  I like it.
Tiny Tim could really stretch his legs on a course like that.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Robert M. Lang
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 6:15 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Bob Goes for a Sunday Drive

Hi,

I just got a new videa recoreder, a Motorsports Hero HD...

We (NER/SCCA) ran an autocross last Sunday and I shot some vids.

The weather was really bizarre as we were under a tornado watch pretty 
much all day and we even had some severe weather off and on during the 
day.

Anyway, check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNYKLxHNeE0

c ya,
rml
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Lang              Triumph TR6!!            |  This space for rent
2010 NER Solo Chair                            |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Mon Jun  7 20:06:23 2010
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 20:06:23 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Henry and Jake go for Sunday drive
Message-ID: <SNT134-w31D08D6AB2A319CDA63C3C90D60@phx.gbl>

Also took the Dolly Sprint TR7 out for an Autocross in Santa Fe.  15 year old
Jake got a faster raw time than pops but when it came to cleaning up and not
knocking down pylons, youth succumbed to age.  Nonetheless, not looking good
for Dad after son's third autocross....................Cheers from New Mexico,
Henry Morrison


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Jun  7 20:47:23 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:47:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR's TVT MAGAZINE.....ISSUE #121 FOT Classic Motor Sports
Message-ID: <8CCD4CC0E8D1885-1C4C-564A@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com>

FOT


We are going to have a presence in the next TVT magazine issue as it relates
to the Kastner Cup.

I'd like to submit the names and cars of those that intend to race that
weekend.

name    car   state

I will also submit to Classic Motorsports as Tim has published the names in
the past.

Sam's appearance is a news item as well.

I still have not heard from several folks that I think are going to be
running

Joe


From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Jun  7 22:13:13 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 23:13:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  2010 Kas Cup dates and links
Message-ID: <20100608041238.418F8187649@autox.team.net>

Re-post - Tony


>I thought it would be helpful for all to have actual links to the 
>event and hotel stuff for the Kas Cup in August, so I put this 
>together.  I have nothing to do with the organization of this event, though.
>
>Name and dates:
>O'REILLY VINTAGE GRAND PRIX
>
>AUGUST 19-22,  2010
>AT HEARTLAND PARK TOPEKA
>TOPEKA, KANSAS
>
>Kastner Cup 2010 race website:
>http://heartlandvintageracing.com/
>
>Entry form:
>http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/RaceCarEntry.pdf
>
>Event schedule:
>http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/Schedule.pdf
>
>Hotel:
>http://www.topekaramada.com/
>Ask for the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix rate, I believe.
>
> From an earlier e-mail:
>Topeka's Ramada Inn is sponsoring a dinner at the hotel on Thursday night.
>
>This will be for all entrants, crew, and support people who are registered at
>the hotel.
>
>Cheers,
>Tony Drews


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Jun  8 08:05:44 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:05:44 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Crank split seal ring TR3/4 - advert
In-Reply-To: <20100608041238.418F8187649@autox.team.net>
References: <20100608041238.418F8187649@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <005101cb0713$b11c3520$13549f60$@com>

Hi guys,

some of you already know about but I would like to let you know about a new
split seal that I've created to serve three main goals:

1st - a dry crank seal to prevent clutch slickness
2nd - it should be cheap and easy done
3rd - best available material for racing purpose

Starting from this I invented a split seal ring that can be used with the
stock crank without grinding off the scroll.
Only the aluminum ring needs a little rework to make the split seal ring fit
which can be easy done on a lathe for cheap money.
The split seal is made out of Viton and can stand very high revs and also
temperatures.

So this is only for guys who run a stock crank.
So you have two seals, stock and the new split seal to make the rear dry.

Currently I've let made 20 rings which are almost sold out except 3 to
today. If there is interest I could make another run of rings.
You can get the rings from ARE Joe Alexander who will include an installing
kit with the ring if you like (centering tool for the stock aluminum ring).

For further information you can have a look here:

http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/splitseal.pdf

Cheers
Chris


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Jun  8 09:01:02 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 11:01:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Crank split seal ring TR3/4 - advert
In-Reply-To: <005101cb0713$b11c3520$13549f60$@com>
References: <20100608041238.418F8187649@autox.team.net>
	<005101cb0713$b11c3520$13549f60$@com>
Message-ID: <8CCD5328C0AEE62-1C4C-B348@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com>

Just to add to this, ISOA folks are doing an installation and writing a
comprehensive article on Christian's new seal. The article will be published
later this year by Mike Cook in VTR's TVT Magazine.

I installed one in the AMBRO and impressed with the results. I am still
chasing oil wetness in various areas of the engine, but to no fault of the
seal. Christian has some race weekends on his installation with a dry seal
area.

There is a special holding fixture for the OEM Scroll Seal, designed by
Christian. I hope to have a couple of them produced for our use in North
America. We also have a design for the Scroll Centering Tool that has the
correct dimensions...as the factory manuals are incorrect.

I hope to produce these Scroll Centering Tools in quantity, at a low price, so
everyone can easily have one.

Christian is making a contribution to the Triumph Community with these
designs. Especially to the FOT.

Joe A






-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 8, 2010 9:05 am
Subject: [Fot] Crank split seal ring TR3/4 - advert


Hi guys,
some of you already know about but I would like to let you know about a new
plit seal that I've created to serve three main goals:
1st - a dry crank seal to prevent clutch slickness
nd - it should be cheap and easy done
rd - best available material for racing purpose
Starting from this I invented a split seal ring that can be used with the
tock crank without grinding off the scroll.
nly the aluminum ring needs a little rework to make the split seal ring fit
hich can be easy done on a lathe for cheap money.
he split seal is made out of Viton and can stand very high revs and also
emperatures.
So this is only for guys who run a stock crank.
o you have two seals, stock and the new split seal to make the rear dry.
Currently I've let made 20 rings which are almost sold out except 3 to
oday. If there is interest I could make another run of rings.
ou can get the rings from ARE Joe Alexander who will include an installing
it with the ring if you like (centering tool for the stock aluminum ring).
For further information you can have a look here:
http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/splitseal.pdf
Cheers
hris
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com


From riverside at southslope.net  Tue Jun  8 15:54:16 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:54:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] oil filter/cooler adapter
Message-ID: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

I am looking for an adapter to allow use of spin on oil filter
on TR3/4 engine.  It needs to have fittings to run lines to and
from an oil cooler.  Moss shows one for the TR6 635-285.
Anybody know of a similar one for the tractor motor?
Thanks.

art de armond


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Jun  8 16:40:03 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:40:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] oil filter/cooler adapter
In-Reply-To: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <8906DBA0-B51E-472F-8631-2926747CBB91@earthlink.net>

Art,

I'm pretty sure the spin-on filter adapter and the oil-cooler adapter  
(sandwich) plate are two separate parts.
The spin-on filter adapter attaches to the filter head and is readily  
available for about 30 bucks.  It accepts a Fram PH3600 filter or Fram  
HP10 racing filter.
Between the filter head and the engine block is a sandwich plate which  
contains two strategically placed fittings for the oil cooler.  I have  
a few of these in different styles.
Let me know if you're interested.

~Steve


On Jun 8, 2010, at 2:54 PM, riverside wrote:

I am looking for an adapter to allow use of spin on oil filter
on TR3/4 engine.  It needs to have fittings to run lines to and
from an oil cooler.  Moss shows one for the TR6 635-285.
Anybody know of a similar one for the tractor motor?
Thanks.

art de armond
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net


From billb at bnj.com  Tue Jun  8 17:01:51 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:01:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] oil filter/cooler adapter
In-Reply-To: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <4372F6E4-2A1E-4E16-A453-7D9B0E4D7D9D@bnj.com>

Contact Gregg Solow. You need one that gets the flow right, some of the
adapters are a little screwy. I know Greggs is proper, others may be too.
On Jun 8, 2010, at 2:54 PM, riverside wrote:

> I am looking for an adapter to allow use of spin on oil filter
> on TR3/4 engine.  It needs to have fittings to run lines to and
> from an oil cooler.  Moss shows one for the TR6 635-285.
> Anybody know of a similar one for the tractor motor?
> Thanks.
>
> art de armond
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Jun  8 17:07:58 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 23:07:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spax shock info for IRS cars
Message-ID: <815993532.1405211276038478532.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Greetings

I blew out one of my Spax adjustables on the rear in a minor shunt. I had a
bit of a time

finding a replacement. As it turns out my shocks are custom madeB for BPNW for
lowered springs.

I had to call Spax to find that out.

So, for those of you running the spax shocks that were originally intended for
street springs ( Dan)

and go to lowered springs you will find out the Spax shocks for street
springsB are 1.5" longer than

the shocks made for lowered springs. Your springs will want to fall out of the
perches when raised.

I don't know what affect this may have on overall shock travel.

The part number is G3072 ( stamped in the body ) and they come in gas charged
( labeled as Gas

Krypton ) or non-gas charged just labeled Spax. I have both types at the
moment and the part

number doesn't differentiate, same for both.

Just FYI



Jim G


B 


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Tue Jun  8 17:20:47 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:20:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] oil filter/cooler adapter
In-Reply-To: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <037201cb0761$3a331700$0301a8c0@randall>

> Anybody know of a similar one for the tractor motor?

Revington offers several different styles of cooler adapters for the TR3-4;
including a spin-on plus cooler adapter.  

I believe they also offer a complete filter head (rather than an adapter),
which might be preferable for racing.  While I've never had one break, the
hollow center bolt used with the common spin-on adapters seems kind of
flimsy to me, and having those hoses hanging off  can only add more strain.

Randall


From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Tue Jun  8 19:13:09 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 21:13:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 engines
Message-ID: <4C0EEAA5.3050708@cfl.rr.com>

Question for GT6 experts. I think have a MK1 with an engine block number 
KC460L. Is this a MK1 block. The head, however, is obviously a later MK2 
or 3 head and is using a head gasket set that says "GT6 MK3 head gasket 
set recessed". Other clues might be the main bearings which are VP91253 
and rod bearings VP91252. It does have cam bearings.

thxx,
Bob


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Tue Jun  8 19:41:13 2010
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 21:41:13 EDT
Subject: [Fot] GT6 engines
Message-ID: <16f5c.70ec13d4.39404b39@aol.com>

That's an interesting piece.  Tell us about the crank....
 
 
In a message dated 6/8/2010 6:30:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com writes:

Question  for GT6 experts. I think have a MK1 with an engine block number 
KC460L. Is  this a MK1 block. The head, however, is obviously a later MK2 
or 3 head  and is using a head gasket set that says "GT6 MK3 head gasket 
set  recessed". Other clues might be the main bearings which are VP91253 
and  rod bearings VP91252. It does have cam  bearings.

thxx,
Bob
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate:  http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:  http://www.team.net/archive
Forums:  http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:  http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com


From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Tue Jun  8 19:45:26 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 18:45:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] oil filter/cooler adapter
In-Reply-To: <037201cb0761$3a331700$0301a8c0@randall>
References: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<037201cb0761$3a331700$0301a8c0@randall>
Message-ID: <4C0EF236.3090905@greenheart.com>

Back in the very late 70s, I had one of those "hollow center bolts" 
break on my street TR4A's spin-on adapter.   I took it to a machnist and 
he took one look at the broken part and told me that the way it had been 
made, it was practically designed to break.   The new one that he made 
looked like NASA would have approved of it.

--Justin

Randall wrote:

>>Anybody know of a similar one for the tractor motor?
>>    
>>
>
>Revington offers several different styles of cooler adapters for the TR3-4;
>including a spin-on plus cooler adapter.  
>
>I believe they also offer a complete filter head (rather than an adapter),
>which might be preferable for racing.  While I've never had one break, the
>hollow center bolt used with the common spin-on adapters seems kind of
>flimsy to me, and having those hoses hanging off  can only add more strain.
>
>Randall
>_______________________________________________
>fot at autox.team.net
>
>http://www.fot-racing.com
>
>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner at greenheart.com


From bownes at seiri.com  Tue Jun  8 20:34:52 2010
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 22:34:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] oil filter/cooler adapter
In-Reply-To: <4C0EF236.3090905@greenheart.com>
References: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<037201cb0761$3a331700$0301a8c0@randall>
	<4C0EF236.3090905@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinry4VtOBHfSoBQkQ9qra0rAugOfklcesKnPIme@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like the kingpins on my godfather's 1936 MG VA. He bought it in 37,
broke a kingpin in 43 or so. No way he was getting a replacement in the
middle of the War. He owned a company that made and sold pumps, so he went
down to the machine shop and had the shop foreman make him a new set. When
one of those broke in about 1998, he went down to the shop, cornered the
foreman and complained about the shoddy materials and workmanship to the
very same foreman (with a large grin on his face I'm sure).

Said foreman told him 'George, come back this afternoon and I'll have you a
new set.'

Lo, and behold, that afternoon a new set was delivered. New kingpins, ways,
and all the associated bits all made from titanium. (complete with
appropriate bolts to prevent galling).

Foreman told him 'George, I'll guarantee these for the rest of our lives',
with an equally large grin. Both of them were over 90.

George passed on a few years later, as did the machinist. But the kingpins
roll on in that VA.

iii


On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Justin Wagner <jmwagner at greenheart.com>wrote:

> Back in the very late 70s, I had one of those "hollow center bolts"
> break on my street TR4A's spin-on adapter.   I took it to a machnist and
> he took one look at the broken part and told me that the way it had been
> made, it was practically designed to break.   The new one that he made
> looked like NASA would have approved of it.
>
> --Justin
>
> Randall wrote:
>
> >>Anybody know of a similar one for the tractor motor?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Revington offers several different styles of cooler adapters for the
> TR3-4;
> >including a spin-on plus cooler adapter.
> >
> >I believe they also offer a complete filter head (rather than an adapter),
> >which might be preferable for racing.  While I've never had one break, the
> >hollow center bolt used with the common spin-on adapters seems kind of
> >flimsy to me, and having those hoses hanging off  can only add more
> strain.
> >
> >Randall
> >_______________________________________________
> >fot at autox.team.net
> >
> >http://www.fot-racing.com
> >
> >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> >Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner at greenheart.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com


From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Tue Jun  8 20:23:22 2010
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 22:23:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Henry and Jake go for Sunday drive
In-Reply-To: <SNT134-w31D08D6AB2A319CDA63C3C90D60@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT134-w31D08D6AB2A319CDA63C3C90D60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <92860A9414704C43B692519A2ECBBF9E@INSPIRON>

Thats great enjoy your son.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:06 PM
Subject: [Fot] Henry and Jake go for Sunday drive


> Also took the Dolly Sprint TR7 out for an Autocross in Santa Fe.  15 year 
> old
> Jake got a faster raw time than pops but when it came to cleaning up and 
> not
> knocking down pylons, youth succumbed to age.  Nonetheless, not looking 
> good
> for Dad after son's third autocross....................Cheers from New 
> Mexico,
> Henry Morrison
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/19to1tr6 at comcast.net


From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jun  8 21:26:07 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 21:26:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 engines
In-Reply-To: <4C0EEAA5.3050708@cfl.rr.com>
References: <4C0EEAA5.3050708@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4C0F09CF.2010300@bradakis.com>

I'm working from a dusty old memory here, but didn't the early Mark 1 
engines
with the straight port heads use 3/8 inch head studs instead of the 
later 7/16ths ??

mjb.


From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jun  8 21:50:17 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 21:50:17 -0600
Subject: [Fot] That was unusual
Message-ID: <4C0F0F79.7070709@bradakis.com>

I received something today that I have not seen for a while.

A paycheck.

The amount was pretty modest, since it only covered a couple of days.
But I took a job as a parts driver for the local Parts Plus distributor a
week or so back.  The pay sucks, the benefits are non-existent and I
am spending a lot of money on gas.  I'm driving around the Salt Lake
valley to the tune of about 200 miles a day.   I wish the CRV got 250
miles to the gallon instead of 25 - spare change for gas money, anyone?

At least I can get anything the warehouse sells for wholesale, and the
Honda is due for an oil change.  And Frank Edwards carries a lot of
stuff, so I'm able to save a few bucks on many things I need.

We'll see how long it lasts.  It is basically brainless work, a smarter than
average chimpanzee could handle most of it, my Master's degree in
Computer Science is not exactly called into play here.  But it gets me
out of the house so I don't spend all day frumping and fretting at the
keyboard.

But with all the driving I do I may not be inclined to drive to Topeka
this August as I planned.  I may fly in, but then again by August my
body may be so contoured to match the CRV driver's seat I'll have
no choice...

mjb.


From gasket.works at gte.net  Tue Jun  8 22:41:06 2010
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:41:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] That was unusual
Message-ID: <1151711506-1276058454-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1050343932-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I hear that CNG in utah is about 70 cents for a gallon equivalent.  Honda.

------Original Message------
From: Mark J Bradakis
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] That was unusual
Sent: Jun 8, 2010 8:50 PM

I received something today that I have not seen for a while.

A paycheck.

The amount was pretty modest, since it only covered a couple of days.
But I took a job as a parts driver for the local Parts Plus distributor a
week or so back.  The pay sucks, the benefits are non-existent and I
am spending a lot of money on gas.  I'm driving around the Salt Lake
valley to the tune of about 200 miles a day.   I wish the CRV got 250
miles to the gallon instead of 25 - spare change for gas money, anyone?

At least I can get anything the warehouse sells for wholesale, and the
Honda is due for an oil change.  And Frank Edwards carries a lot of
stuff, so I'm able to save a few bucks on many things I need.

We'll see how long it lasts.  It is basically brainless work, a smarter than
average chimpanzee could handle most of it, my Master's degree in
Computer Science is not exactly called into play here.  But it gets me
out of the house so I don't spend all day frumping and fretting at the
keyboard.

But with all the driving I do I may not be inclined to drive to Topeka
this August as I planned.  I may fly in, but then again by August my
body may be so contoured to match the CRV driver's seat I'll have
no choice...

mjb.
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net




Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile


From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Wed Jun  9 04:19:37 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 06:19:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 engines
In-Reply-To: <16f5c.70ec13d4.39404b39@aol.com>
References: <16f5c.70ec13d4.39404b39@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C0F6AB9.40203@cfl.rr.com>

Steve,

Have not seen the inside of the engine so can't comment on the crank. It 
is cut at .030 under so it probably wont last long anyway.  You may have 
run across the car since it is kind of in your neck of the woods. The 
car (red) is for sale in Berkley, CA. Looks to be a decent car except 
for the good chance it is a MK1 block and crank. Owner is not 
particularly knowledgeable about the GT6 so can't tell me much about the 
origins of the engine. The picture does show a later head on it and the 
studs appear to be 7/16ths.

Bob

On 6/8/2010 9:41 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
> That's an interesting piece.  Tell us about the crank....
> In a message dated 6/8/2010 6:30:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
> rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com writes:
>
>     Question for GT6 experts. I think have a MK1 with an engine block
>     number
>     KC460L. Is this a MK1 block. The head, however, is obviously a
>     later MK2
>     or 3 head and is using a head gasket set that says "GT6 MK3 head
>     gasket
>     set recessed". Other clues might be the main bearings which are
>     VP91253
>     and rod bearings VP91252. It does have cam bearings.
>
>     thxx,
>     Bob
>     _______________________________________________
>     fot at autox.team.net
>
>     http://www.fot-racing.com
>
>     Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>     Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>     Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>     Unsubscribe:
>     http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Jun  9 06:52:16 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 08:52:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] That was unusual
In-Reply-To: <4C0F0F79.7070709@bradakis.com>
References: <4C0F0F79.7070709@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <8CCD5E9B91A9196-B40-E7BF@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>

You have to come to Topeka. You are a VIP.

Joe A






-----Original Message-----
From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: 'Friends of Triumph' <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Jun 8, 2010 10:50 pm
Subject: [Fot] That was unusual


I received something today that I have not seen for a while.

A paycheck.

The amount was pretty modest, since it only covered a couple of days.
But I took a job as a parts driver for the local Parts Plus distributor a
week or so back. The pay sucks, the benefits are non-existent and I
am spending a lot of money on gas. I'm driving around the Salt Lake
valley to the tune of about 200 miles a day. I wish the CRV got 250
miles to the gallon instead of 25 - spare change for gas money, anyone?

At least I can get anything the warehouse sells for wholesale, and the
Honda is due for an oil change. And Frank Edwards carries a lot of
stuff, so I'm able to save a few bucks on many things I need.

We'll see how long it lasts. It is basically brainless work, a smarter than
average chimpanzee could handle most of it, my Master's degree in
Computer Science is not exactly called into play here. But it gets me
out of the house so I don't spend all day frumping and fretting at the
keyboard.

But with all the driving I do I may not be inclined to drive to Topeka
this August as I planned. I may fly in, but then again by August my
body may be so contoured to match the CRV driver's seat I'll have
no choice...

mjb.
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com


From riverside at southslope.net  Wed Jun  9 09:52:13 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 10:52:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] oil filter/cooler adapter
Message-ID: <003001cb07eb$baa0cb00$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Many thanks to all the repliers.
As always, there was much very
useful info!

art de armond


From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Wed Jun  9 10:58:48 2010
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 09:58:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re:  oil filter/cooler adapter
Message-ID: <4C0FC848.50204@gmail.com>

Subject: 	Re: [Fot] oil filter/cooler adapter
Date: 	Wed, 09 Jun 2010 09:57:20 -0700
From: 	TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
To: 	riverside <riverside at southslope.net>, Triumph List 
<triumphs at autox.team.net>



On 6/8/10 2:54 PM, riverside wrote:
>  I am looking for an adapter to allow use of spin on oil filter
>  on TR3/4 engine.  It needs to have fittings to run lines to and
>  from an oil cooler.  Moss shows one for the TR6 635-285.
>  Anybody know of a similar one for the tractor motor?
>
>
I had one of the Moss adapters and didn't like it.  I replaced it with
one that Greg Solow of Greg Solow's Engine Room had made up.  I like the
design a lot better.

<gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>

Teriann


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Wed Jun  9 12:40:50 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:40:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Crank split seal ring TR3/4 - advert
In-Reply-To: <005101cb0713$b11c3520$13549f60$@com>
References: <20100608041238.418F8187649@autox.team.net>
	<005101cb0713$b11c3520$13549f60$@com>
Message-ID: <000001cb0803$48f10430$dad30c90$@com>

Good work Chris!  Just a note on the Moss alignment mandrel for the rear
seal.  It is the wrong diameter, just a bit oversize.  It is made of what I
think is Delrin and I had mine turned down to 2.814-2.815 (71.48mm
-71.50mm).  Now it is about the correct size.  You wrote that you used 2.818
(71.57mm).  I've only had to use it once as now that the two halves of the
aluminum "seal" are bolted to the block and cap I've had no reason to remove
them, so far!  I would also note that the oil "drain" hole is critical to
the stock seal working correctly and the felt seal on the sides of the cap
are also critical to the sealing of the rear main.  I've attached a couple
of Kas's old posts regarding this.  I made my punches out of brass, just
easier to machine, and I use 1 inch pieces of the felt seal at a time and
pound them in.  I get felt coming out of the gaps on the sides of the cap if
I'm doing it right.  I've done the seals 3 times now and I just have a bit
of the weeping that Kas mentions.  If anybody wants to borrow my mandrel
contact me off list.  As I said you usually only need to align the aluminum
halves once.

Tim Murphy
1961 TR4 #317

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:06 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Crank split seal ring TR3/4 - advert

Hi guys,

some of you already know about but I would like to let you know about a new
split seal that I've created to serve three main goals:

1st - a dry crank seal to prevent clutch slickness
2nd - it should be cheap and easy done
3rd - best available material for racing purpose

Starting from this I invented a split seal ring that can be used with the
stock crank without grinding off the scroll.
Only the aluminum ring needs a little rework to make the split seal ring fit
which can be easy done on a lathe for cheap money.
The split seal is made out of Viton and can stand very high revs and also
temperatures.

So this is only for guys who run a stock crank.
So you have two seals, stock and the new split seal to make the rear dry.

Currently I've let made 20 rings which are almost sold out except 3 to
today. If there is interest I could make another run of rings.
You can get the rings from ARE Joe Alexander who will include an installing
kit with the ring if you like (centering tool for the stock aluminum ring).

For further information you can have a look here:

http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/splitseal.pdf

Cheers
Chris
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/msword which had a name of Kas Kastner, Rear Seal Installation.doc]


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jun  9 13:28:31 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:28:31 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Crank split seal ring TR3/4 - advert
Message-ID: <518a4.486feb30.3941455f@cs.com>

Great note Tim!   

Yes! Someone determined that the factory dimensions we wrong.

Thanks for letting us know about the Moss offering...I wondered about that.

I'll let Christian answer this, but he made a change to the mandril 
dimension to reflect a dimension closer to the one you just mentioned.

71.55 mm

(The mandrils that I am producing will reflect Christian's final dimensions 
and will be lower cost than the current Moss Motors offering)  I think 
Christian got it all right.

Finally, you are correct about the drain back tubes. There are two of them 
and I just had the recent experience of plugging the small one with 
disastrous results. First time it has happened in 40+  so I was due, eh?

Regards,

Joe A




> Good work Chris!  Just a note on the Moss alignment mandrel for the rear
> seal.  It is the wrong diameter, just a bit oversize.  It is made of what I
> think is Delrin and I had mine turned down to 2.814-2.815 (71.48mm
> -71.50mm).  Now it is about the correct size.  You wrote that you used 
> 2.818
> (71.57mm).  I've only had to use it once as now that the two halves of the
> aluminum "seal" are bolted to the block and cap I've had no reason to 
> remove
> them, so far!  I would also note that the oil "drain" hole is critical to
> the stock seal working correctly and the felt seal on the sides of the cap
> are also critical to the sealing of the rear main.  I've attached a couple
> of Kas's old posts regarding this.  I made my punches out of brass, just
> easier to machine, and I use 1 inch pieces of the felt seal at a time and
> pound them in.  I get felt coming out of the gaps on the sides of the cap 
> if
> I'm doing it right.  I've done the seals 3 times now and I just have a bit
> of the weeping that Kas mentions.  If anybody wants to borrow my mandrel
> contact me off list.  As I said you usually only need to align the aluminum
> halves once.
> 
> Tim Murphy
> 1961 TR4 #317
> 

</HTML>


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jun  9 13:43:08 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:43:08 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis invited to the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix
Message-ID: <52c1a.38473bff.394148cc@cs.com>

FOT:

Steve Sargis has formally been invited to the HVGP.  

He is going to make a final decision following the June Sprints. If all 
goes very well, it will help him make a decision.

In the meantime, we might keep close track of Sam and Steve's progress all 
of the way through the RUNOFFs.

If I understand it correctly, Steve is going to field two Spitfires at the 
Runoffs. One in HP Production and one in GP.  (The FOT may also want to 
consider attendance at Road America. This may be the making of some great 
history)

Regards,

Joe Alexander</HTML>


From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jun  9 15:27:45 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:27:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis invited to the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix
In-Reply-To: <52c1a.38473bff.394148cc@cs.com>
Message-ID: <20100609172745.IYL8D.704812.imail@fed1rmwml36>

I think it is fair and timely to remind everyone that the "CUP " is presented for Vintage cars. Regretfully the SCCA cars are just too far away from production specifications, but they are a gas to watch. It is not always, or I might seldom the winner of the race, but the person performing in an outstanding fashion. The performance along with the presentation of their car and their interest and participation in Vinrtage racing that make up the values for the "Cup".

.
---- N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: 

=============
FOT:

Steve Sargis has formally been invited to the HVGP.  

He is going to make a final decision following the June Sprints. If all 
goes very well, it will help him make a decision.

In the meantime, we might keep close track of Sam and Steve's progress all 
of the way through the RUNOFFs.

If I understand it correctly, Steve is going to field two Spitfires at the 
Runoffs. One in HP Production and one in GP.  (The FOT may also want to 
consider attendance at Road America. This may be the making of some great 
history)

Regards,

Joe Alexander</HTML>
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net



--
Never be beaten by equipment


From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Wed Jun  9 17:05:13 2010
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 19:05:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis invited to the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix
Message-ID: <17479185.1276124713409.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Fot if Steve does run 2 cars they will be HP and FP .  Joe


-----Original Message-----
>From: N197TR4 at cs.com
>Sent: Jun 9, 2010 3:43 PM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis invited to the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix
>
>FOT:
>
>Steve Sargis has formally been invited to the HVGP.  
>
>He is going to make a final decision following the June Sprints. If all 
>goes very well, it will help him make a decision.
>
>In the meantime, we might keep close track of Sam and Steve's progress all 
>of the way through the RUNOFFs.
>
>If I understand it correctly, Steve is going to field two Spitfires at the 
>Runoffs. One in HP Production and one in GP.  (The FOT may also want to 
>consider attendance at Road America. This may be the making of some great 
>history)
>
>Regards,
>
>Joe Alexander</HTML>
>_______________________________________________
>fot at autox.team.net
>
>http://www.fot-racing.com
>
>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsiam1 at earthlink.net
>
>


Chequered Flag Racing .net
Joseph P. Siam
9833 Deering Ave unit I
Chatsworth Ca 91311
818 350 6222


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Jun  9 19:32:01 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 21:32:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis invited to the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix
In-Reply-To: <17479185.1276124713409.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <17479185.1276124713409.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8CCD653DC18D0E8-B40-19EF9@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>

yup...i be wrong....thanks!





-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Siam <jsiam1 at earthlink.net>
To: N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, Jun 9, 2010 6:05 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Steve Sargis invited to the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix


Fot if Steve does run 2 cars they will be HP and FP .  Joe

----Original Message-----
From: N197TR4 at cs.com
Sent: Jun 9, 2010 3:43 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis invited to the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix

FOT:

Steve Sargis has formally been invited to the HVGP.

He is going to make a final decision following the June Sprints. If all
goes very well, it will help him make a decision.

In the meantime, we might keep close track of Sam and Steve's progress all
of the way through the RUNOFFs.

If I understand it correctly, Steve is going to field two Spitfires at the
Runoffs. One in HP Production and one in GP.  (The FOT may also want to
consider attendance at Road America. This may be the making of some great
history)

Regards,

Joe Alexander</HTML>
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsiam1 at earthlink.net



hequered Flag Racing .net
oseph P. Siam
833 Deering Ave unit I
hatsworth Ca 91311
18 350 6222


From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 10 09:33:07 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 08:33:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Fw:  [fot] need help locating parts for MGA
Message-ID: <26BD1ECA5652472BBCEB62D1CD331DEF@Bud>

Hi Guys! You won't believe it but I have both! And for sale as well! A frame
and a body!

Let me know if I can help.

Chris

(415-350-1695

In a message dated 5/22/2010 5:54:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
budscars at comcast.net writes:
  Hi Gang...
  Maybe someone can help...this request came to me via FOT(Friends of
  Triumph)....to contact the proper parties, click on the seacube link or the
  ablake link below
  Racer Bud
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Seacubeco" <seaCubeCo at aol.com>
  To: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>

  Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 4:31 PM
  Subject: [Fot] [fot] need help locating parts for mga


  > Fellow freaks of cars from across the pond
  >
  > My friend just crashed his 58 MGA race car today and I am putting out
  > feelers for parts.  So far from guessing we will need body pannels and  a
  > frame.  I an sure we will needore things but those will get us started
  >
  >
  > Thank you
  > Chris Bock
  > _______________________________________________
  > fot at autox.team.net
  >
  > http://www.fot-racing.com
  >
  > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
  > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
  > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
  > Unsubscribe:
  > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu Jun 10 10:30:27 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:30:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Greg Hilyer is Back! Making appearance at Heartland TR4 #314
Message-ID: <92414.6c007be6.39426d23@cs.com>

Greg Hilyer finally surfaced after disappearing into the Gila Mountains a 
few months ago.  

He and Connie plan to bring the #314 TR4.

Always fast, he is likely to be a front runner.

Connie is going to drive the TR4, too.

But wait there is more....he is working an FOT shirt project. When the 
details come together, it will be presented to the FOT for an assessment of 
interest. That's all I know at the moment.  Regards,  Joe Alexander</HTML>


From ikorey at comcast.net  Thu Jun 10 11:45:22 2010
From: ikorey at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:45:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Greg Hilyer is Back! Making appearance at Heartland TR4
 #314
In-Reply-To: <92414.6c007be6.39426d23@cs.com>
References: <92414.6c007be6.39426d23@cs.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinYZWB-NaEnKLb3kE4Tpl6-x63Sn2b9wA7Un8Ts@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:30 AM, <N197TR4 at cs.com> wrote:

> Greg Hilyer finally surfaced after disappearing into the Gila Mountains a
> few months ago.
>
> He and Connie plan to bring the #314 TR4.
>
> Always fast, he is likely to be a front runner.
>
> Connie is going to drive the TR4, too.
>
> But wait there is more....he is working an FOT shirt project.


Does that mean the shirts will be purple?

;-)

Irv Korey


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 10 14:34:37 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:34:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] AWAL?
In-Reply-To: <92414.6c007be6.39426d23@cs.com>
References: <92414.6c007be6.39426d23@cs.com>
Message-ID: <71F3699C-41D9-4995-98F8-36082082F32A@earthlink.net>

Gee, didn't even know I was on the AWAL list. Nice to know one is  
missed though Joe.

Yes, tee-shirts are in the works. Should have something fun for all  
to see later next week. Details to follow.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Jun 10, 2010, at 10:30 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> Greg Hilyer finally surfaced after disappearing into the Gila  
> Mountains a
> few months ago.
>
> He and Connie plan to bring the #314 TR4.
>
> Always fast, he is likely to be a front runner.
>
> Connie is going to drive the TR4, too.
>
> But wait there is more....he is working an FOT shirt project. When the
> details come together, it will be presented to the FOT for an  
> assessment of
> interest. That's all I know at the moment.  Regards,  Joe  
> Alexander</HTML>
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ 
> lunkercars at earthlink.net


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Jun 10 14:47:43 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:47:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Greg Hilyer is Back! Making appearance at Heartland TR4
 #314
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinYZWB-NaEnKLb3kE4Tpl6-x63Sn2b9wA7Un8Ts@mail.gmail.com>
References: <92414.6c007be6.39426d23@cs.com>
	<AANLkTinYZWB-NaEnKLb3kE4Tpl6-x63Sn2b9wA7Un8Ts@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ECB794EB81DE4B719B13B123925568A7@hal9000>

Great news, I'm looking
forward to seeing you again.
About being a front runner, I
have no doubt. Sorry you
couldn't make it to the
Trans-Am. Were having our FoT
crawfish party this weekend.
Were partying like rockstars,
slightly older rockstars
anyway.

Jim G.

-----Original Message-----
From:
fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team
.net] On Behalf Of Irv Korey
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010
11:45 AM
To: N197TR4 at cs.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Greg Hilyer
is Back! Making appearance at
Heartland TR4 #314

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:30
AM, <N197TR4 at cs.com> wrote:

> Greg Hilyer finally surfaced
after disappearing into the
Gila Mountains a
> few months ago.
>
> He and Connie plan to bring
the #314 TR4.
>
> Always fast, he is likely to
be a front runner.
>
> Connie is going to drive the
TR4, too.
>
> But wait there is more....he
is working an FOT shirt
project.


Does that mean the shirts will
be purple?

;-)

Irv Korey
______________________________
_________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate:
http://www.team.net/donate.htm
l
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums:
http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/
options/fot/toodamnfunky at comca
st.net


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Jun 10 20:45:57 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:45:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] CONTRACT WRENCH AVAILABLE AT HEARTLAND
Message-ID: <8CCD7275ACC282B-237C-6DCD@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>

FOT HEARTLAND ENTRANTS.......

For those that know Jon Wood from the UK, know that he is a crack mechanic.

He also knows a ton of 'speed secrets' they have developed in the UK and
Europe.

He will be available for consultation and emergency wrenching.

He has a voracious appetite for food and beer.

A little contract wrenching at a modest hourly rate will sustain him.

He was in my garage for a week last fall. You have to ask specific questions,
but his knowledge base is incredible.

Here is your chance.

Joe A


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Jun 11 11:24:21 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:24:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] HEARTLAND REPORT-ENTRIES   FORECAST IS VERY GOOD ON ENTRIES
Message-ID: <8CCD7A210A9260A-155C-1813@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>

FOT:

We will miss several folks that we would love to see. Not many from the far
reaches of the North American coastlines are able to justify the tow.


If we had a tiny country like Switzerland it might be different....no matter,
there is a stalwart band of FOTs represented here in the Heartland. I amazed
at the number of TR4s that plan to come. It appears that we have about 25 cars
eligible for the Kastner Cup and over 30 Drivers planning to register.

Sam Halkias is coming to support the FOT as he says we have supported him.
Steve Sargis is waiting for his results from the JUNE SPRINTS to make a
decision to join us. His plate is full with prep time on both HP and FP
Spitfires for the SCCA RUNOFFS.

But Rob Deanes plans to come from Wilmington, NC. He changing his usual
schedule to join us. Jeff Snook is bringing his TR3. Keith Files will arrive
from London with his entourage to drive his US Based Sebring TR4.

I am still waiting for confirmation from about 10 Drivers regarding their
appearances....we hope they come as they add a lot of value to the Kastner
Cup.

In addition to the TR drivers there is going to be a wide assortment of
interesting characters in attendance. I'll leave those guys as a surprise.
There might be a couple musical instruments making an appearance for some
impromptu sessions.

There will be a very strong club presence as well as vendors.....as you know
the Kastner Cup event is being heavily supported by O'Reilly Auto PARTS.

OH YES!  Kas & Peg are driving in to be with us.

Ramada Inn is the FOT HOTEL and they are feeding us on Thursday night.

HEARTLANDVINTAGERACING.COM    for more info and links.

Thanks!


From klynch_6 at msn.com  Fri Jun 11 15:50:52 2010
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:50:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] from Sarah Bonnier
Message-ID: <SNT123-DS22C4BFF9621E4675CF7BCB7D90@phx.gbl>

Helping
out a friend...ALL SCCA MEMBERS! The SCCA Solo F350 was stolen last
night in Manassas, VA. It's a white, crew cab F350 dually pickup with
Kansas tags and SCCA stickers on the side windows. Contact Howard Duncan
(hduncan at scca.com) if you see it (after contacting the police, of
course!). Cut, paste, and... repost

K Lynch


From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Jun 11 16:54:39 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:54:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SCCA PICKUP TRUCK STOLEN IN VIRGINIA
Message-ID: <6AC6F359700548BDACC913E4E2151F29@Bud>

Helping
out a friend...ALL SCCA MEMBERS! The SCCA Solo F350 was stolen last
night in Manassas, VA. It's a white, crew cab F350 dually pickup with
Kansas tags and SCCA stickers on the side windows. Contact Howard Duncan
(hduncan at scca.com) if you see it (after contacting the police, of
course!). Cut, paste, and... repost

K Lynch


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Jun 11 19:03:12 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:03:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Black Hawk Farms      Father's Day Weekend
Message-ID: <8CCD7E22A0A0D41-138C-12619@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com>

Who all will be there....?

This weekend is looking pretty racy.

Perhaps moderating temps and humidity......

Sean is primary driver once again...Mark is back up.


Then 10 days on the Blue Ridge Parkway in sports cars. A vacation would be
nice.


From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 11 19:26:54 2010
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:26:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Bowling Green suggestions
Message-ID: <146893.6510.qm@web57603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hey Gang:
 
Scott Barr and myself will be leaving Wisconsin tomorrow to hang out for an
evening in Bowling Green after stops in Indy and Nashville.  Any suggestions
for dining and libations? 
 
Thanks,
 
Ernie


From triosan at gmail.com  Sat Jun 12 02:14:12 2010
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:14:12 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: A good article on the danger of fire
In-Reply-To: <64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com>
	<64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>

For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the Miata and
the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe it to
yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
yourself -- I sure got a good lesson
Chuck

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/


Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Jun 12 06:12:58 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:12:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] HEARTLAND      ROBERT JOHNS meets CHUCK MCGUIRE at Topeka
Message-ID: <8CCD83FBACB4FE0-138C-19359@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com>

Of course you know Robert (Bob) Johns as the Triumph Factory Driver who drove
the 12 Hours of Sebring with Mordy Dunst's father-in-law, Mike Rothschild.

It turns out that Des Moines' Chuck McGuire was in Germany at about the same
time as Bob. Chuck tells of a run on the Autobahn with a 190SL, with his TR3
outrunning the 190SL going up the hills and the 190SL catching him on the
downside.

Chuck returned from Germany with his TR3 to race it at GREENWOOD in the 60s.
Chuck and his wife are going to join us in the FOT Paddock....with the same
TR3.  You want to be in the Paddock when these two meet and tell stories? I
think so.

Chuck has restored four TR3s, one for each of his children. At 75 he is
stilling chasing cars down America's Autobahn.

Robert and Chuck are on our VIP List.

Welcome them!


From dave at microworks.net  Sat Jun 12 10:25:31 2010
From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:25:31 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: A good article on the danger of fire
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com><64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com>
	<AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C0CD49ECE014EFEAF52E81BE5CDDC18@sys>

Thanks!

It says they don't know what caused the fire but while reading it and what
happened I think I know and can easily see what he did wrong.

I'll bet there was a fuel leak which started the smoke and then the fire
fire.  He put the fire out but kept driving.  The initial fire had melted
fuel line and with the motor still running it now was not a fuel leak but a
fuel gusher.  As he says in the article the second fire came with a BOOM.

If in a fire kill the fire AND the motor.  Don't try to continue driving to
the next corner station like he did.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 1:14 AM
To: Friends
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: A good article on the danger of fire

For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the Miata and
the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe it to
yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
yourself -- I sure got a good lesson
Chuck

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/


Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Jun 12 19:13:57 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:13:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING
Message-ID: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>

Sean is working on TR4  #197 for Blackhawk Farms.

After running some heat cycles the tanks expanded.

Cause....radiator cap?

Help!

Failure may be imminent. We might have a back up radiator, but that's not
likely the problem.

I dont think he is seeing bubbles in the coolant.

I dont think he is seeing anything go into the overflow bottle.

TIA
Joe


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Jun 12 22:14:17 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:14:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING
In-Reply-To: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100613041327.4E1DC18763E@autox.team.net>

Plugged overflow line could be an issue - Even with a too high 
pressure cap I'd have a hard time seeing it build up enough pressure 
to make the radiator fail.  If the overflow line is plugged solid, 
you can build pressure until something gives the water a place to 
expand into - blow off a line, bust the radiator, or whatever.

- Tony

At 08:13 PM 6/12/2010, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
>Sean is working on TR4  #197 for Blackhawk Farms.
>
>After running some heat cycles the tanks expanded.
>
>Cause....radiator cap?
>
>Help!
>
>Failure may be imminent. We might have a back up radiator, but that's not
>likely the problem.
>
>I dont think he is seeing bubbles in the coolant.
>
>I dont think he is seeing anything go into the overflow bottle.
>
>TIA
>Joe
>_______________________________________________
>fot at autox.team.net
>
>http://www.fot-racing.com
>
>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com


From BillDentin at aol.com  Sun Jun 13 07:27:27 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 09:27:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING
Message-ID: <ebe97.721fdcc7.394636bf@aol.com>

Joe, et al...

Are you sure there is not a bubble in the system?

Bill


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jun 13 07:57:06 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:57:06 +0200
Subject: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING
In-Reply-To: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000901cb0b00$50721370$f1563a50$@com>

Hi Joe,

think about to get a CO2 leak tester...cheap, easy done after each run, and
relaiable to tell you if you have a leak at the head gasket.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von n197tr4 at cs.com
Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. Juni 2010 03:14
An: fot at autox.team.net; seanax at iowalaser.com; alex3rail at mchsi.com
Betreff: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING

Sean is working on TR4  #197 for Blackhawk Farms.

After running some heat cycles the tanks expanded.

Cause....radiator cap?

Help!

Failure may be imminent. We might have a back up radiator, but that's not
likely the problem.

I dont think he is seeing bubbles in the coolant.

I dont think he is seeing anything go into the overflow bottle.

TIA
Joe
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Jun 13 08:18:39 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 10:18:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING
In-Reply-To: <000901cb0b00$50721370$f1563a50$@com>
References: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
	<000901cb0b00$50721370$f1563a50$@com>
Message-ID: <8CCD91A7462DFF7-19A0-1CA49@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com>

OK!   Sean can pursue that.

Did you hear back from Mark Eden yet, on the Seal?

Thanks!

Joe






-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net; seanax at iowalaser.com
Sent: Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:57 am
Subject: AW: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING


Hi Joe,
think about to get a CO2 leak tester...cheap, easy done after each run, and
elaiable to tell you if you have a leak at the head gasket.
Cheers
hris
-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
on: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
uftrag von n197tr4 at cs.com
esendet: Sonntag, 13. Juni 2010 03:14
n: fot at autox.team.net; seanax at iowalaser.com; alex3rail at mchsi.com
etreff: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING
Sean is working on TR4  #197 for Blackhawk Farms.
After running some heat cycles the tanks expanded.
Cause....radiator cap?
Help!
Failure may be imminent. We might have a back up radiator, but that's not
ikely the problem.
I dont think he is seeing bubbles in the coolant.
I dont think he is seeing anything go into the overflow bottle.
TIA
oe
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe:
ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com


From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Sun Jun 13 11:36:10 2010
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 13:36:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] foam
Message-ID: <37BE92B1174F4B7298061C3DFAA56C0C@INSPIRON>

Hello all   Just changed the oil in the Atype OD and ran it up to 3000 rpm
and engaged the od a couple of times  On Rechecking the oil level I found it
foamy. I have not come across this in the past. I don't know what is normal.
Any thoughts       thanks     rob


From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jun 13 12:15:15 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 11:15:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Bobby Whitehead scores DP win with CVAR @ Hallett OK.
In-Reply-To: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <442353.31216.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Just had to toot my horn... SOMEHOW I managed to place 1st in DP @ Hallett OK
during our soggy run April 16-18...  WOW.... just shows to go the fastest car
is not always the winner...
There's a driver in DP that has a Lotus Super
Seven that is obviuosly a lot faster car than mine but the idiot drives one
way...balls to the walls... and into the grass... and spinning out repeatedly
....  SO   according to the most recent Victory Lane...  I'm published!

GT6's
RULE!

Bobby Whitehead
#39 CVAR DP Triumph GT6+
________________________________


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Jun 13 13:58:27 2010
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:58:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Bobby Whitehead scores DP win with CVAR @ Hallett OK.
Message-ID: <84038.1946352.39469263@aol.com>

Huzzah! Huzzah!  Way to go Bobby!  Hallett's a good track for our  cars and 
you were the driver to exploit the conditions.  Good  Job!!

 
 
In a message dated 6/13/2010 12:46:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
igofaster at att.net writes:

Just had  to toot my horn... SOMEHOW I managed to place 1st in DP @ Hallett 
OK
during  our soggy run April 16-18...  WOW.... just shows to go the fastest  
car
is not always the winner...
There's a driver in DP that has a Lotus  Super
Seven that is obviuosly a lot faster car than mine but the idiot  drives one
way...balls to the walls... and into the grass... and spinning  out 
repeatedly
....  SO   according to the most recent  Victory Lane...  I'm published!

GT6's
RULE!

Bobby  Whitehead
#39 CVAR DP Triumph  GT6+
________________________________
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate:  http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:  http://www.team.net/archive
Forums:  http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:  http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com


From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jun 13 16:41:09 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 16:41:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Bobby Whitehead scores DP win with CVAR @ Hallett OK.
In-Reply-To: <442353.31216.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
	<442353.31216.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C155E85.3070909@bradakis.com>

Nice.  Good work.

mjb.


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Jun 13 16:53:38 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:53:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Bobby Whitehead scores DP win with CVAR @ Hallett OK.
In-Reply-To: <442353.31216.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
	<442353.31216.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CCD9626555F638-17A4-3282D@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com>

Everybody will be watching you very closely at  The Heartland...

There will be a lot of pressure for you to perform now.

Bring Viagara






-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
To: FoT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:15 pm
Subject: [Fot] Bobby Whitehead scores DP win with CVAR @ Hallett OK.


Just had to toot my horn... SOMEHOW I managed to place 1st in DP @ Hallett OK
uring our soggy run April 16-18...  WOW.... just shows to go the fastest car
s not always the winner...
here's a driver in DP that has a Lotus Super
even that is obviuosly a lot faster car than mine but the idiot drives one
ay...balls to the walls... and into the grass... and spinning out repeatedly
...  SO   according to the most recent Victory Lane...  I'm published!
GT6's
ULE!
Bobby Whitehead
39 CVAR DP Triumph GT6+
_______________________________
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com


From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 13 19:58:21 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:58:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING
In-Reply-To: <8CCD91A7462DFF7-19A0-1CA49@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
	<000901cb0b00$50721370$f1563a50$@com>
	<8CCD91A7462DFF7-19A0-1CA49@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <390868.5523.qm@web46105.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Joe;
I am with Tony and some of the other posts.  I have been fighting head
issues for the last two months.  I am with Tony.  The over flow must be
plugged.  My first head problem was water pump interference.  I had so much
pressure it was like a fountain squirting from the over flow.  If it had been
plugged it would have expaned the radiator or burst a hose.  It does seem
strange that a hose would not have ruptured first.  
Mike Mehl
________________________________
From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To:
tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net; seanax at iowalaser.com
Sent: Sun,
June 13, 2010 7:18:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS
EXPANDING

OK!  Sean can pursue that.

Did you hear back from Mark Eden yet,
on the Seal?

Thanks!

Joe






-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx
<tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net;
seanax at iowalaser.com
Sent: Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:57 am
Subject: AW: [Fot] TOP &
BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING


Hi Joe,
think about to get a CO2 leak
tester...cheap, easy done after each run, and
elaiable to tell you if you have
a leak at the head gasket.
Cheers
hris
-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
on:
fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
uftrag von
n197tr4 at cs.com
esendet: Sonntag, 13. Juni 2010 03:14
n: fot at autox.team.net;
seanax at iowalaser.com; alex3rail at mchsi.com
etreff: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR
TANKS EXPANDING
Sean is working on TR4  #197 for Blackhawk Farms.
After
running some heat cycles the tanks expanded.
Cause....radiator cap?
Help!
Failure may be imminent. We might have a back up radiator, but that's not
ikely the problem.
I dont think he is seeing bubbles in the coolant.
I dont
think he is seeing anything go into the overflow bottle.
TIA
oe
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive:
http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe:
ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 13 20:28:22 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 20:28:22 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Bobby Whitehead scores DP win with CVAR @ Hallett OK.
In-Reply-To: <442353.31216.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
	<442353.31216.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5812702E-2308-46CF-B696-E17636031DD8@earthlink.net>

A BIG congrats Bobby! I watched that race and the differences were  
dramatic - Lotus fast but scary - Bobby quick and consistent.
Good for you. And who needs a stinkin' Toyota gearbox.
See you in Topeka.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM

On Jun 13, 2010, at 12:15 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote:

> Just had to toot my horn... SOMEHOW I managed to place 1st in DP @  
> Hallett OK
> during our soggy run April 16-18...  WOW.... just shows to go the  
> fastest car
> is not always the winner...
> There's a driver in DP that has a Lotus Super
> Seven that is obviuosly a lot faster car than mine but the idiot  
> drives one
> way...balls to the walls... and into the grass... and spinning out  
> repeatedly
> ....  SO   according to the most recent Victory Lane...  I'm  
> published!
>
> GT6's
> RULE!
>
> Bobby Whitehead
> #39 CVAR DP Triumph GT6+
> ________________________________
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ 
> lunkercars at earthlink.net


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Sun Jun 13 20:28:48 2010
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 20:28:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Lunker and Walt spotted during 24 hours of Le Mans
Message-ID: <SNT134-w298245F3376CE9169531CA90DC0@phx.gbl>

Yes there they were TR4 and TR6 during the Sandia Motorspeedway advertisement
albeit, only in the Albuquerque area, but there they
were!....................Cheers Henry Morrison


From mrtommmmm at netscape.net  Mon Jun 14 13:01:08 2010
From: mrtommmmm at netscape.net (mrtommmmm at netscape.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:01:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] tr4 fender
Message-ID: <8CCDA0B14CD4C7C-1230-8C0@webmail-d064.sysops.aol.com>

 anyone have a RH front outer fender for a 63 tr4?
yes they hard to find, so here i am trying.
thx for any replies.
t.a.


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Mon Jun 14 15:28:54 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:28:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com>
	<64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com>
	<AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>

I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt  
system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend  
to do any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the  
Miata fire, and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a  
fire, having water which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines  
on the shirt which can melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's  
worth.  Has this ever been addressed - does SCCA allow these systems,  
and if so, how is it reconciled with the requirement to wear fire- 
retardant materials?

On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these  
slips over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a  
quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my  
wrists or from the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I  
don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because  
it blocks visibility to the side mirror.

On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:

For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the  
Miata and
the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe  
it to
yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
yourself -- I sure got a good lesson
Chuck

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/


Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net


From bownes at seiri.com  Mon Jun 14 16:41:20 2010
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:41:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com>
	<64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com>
	<AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinx5_VIqKoILQ4r3zZ-aD_qEiAMSG88fND1ooMv@mail.gmail.com>

Scott,
The arm restraints I use have a D ring on the bottom which the clips
for the shoulder harnesses pass through right before they go into the
cam lock. As soon as I pop the cam, it all falls apart.

Fast, easy,simple.
Bob.



On 6/14/10, Scott Janzen <s.janzen at comcast.net> wrote:
> I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
> system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend
> to do any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the
> Miata fire, and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a
> fire, having water which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines
> on the shirt which can melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's
> worth.  Has this ever been addressed - does SCCA allow these systems,
> and if so, how is it reconciled with the requirement to wear fire-
> retardant materials?
>
> On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these
> slips over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a
> quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my
> wrists or from the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I
> don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because
> it blocks visibility to the side mirror.
>
> On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:
>
> For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the
> Miata and
> the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe
> it to
> yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
> yourself -- I sure got a good lesson
> Chuck
>
> http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/
>
>
> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Jun 14 17:08:40 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:08:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com><64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com><AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8C84189332E04CA294A160F8E24B7E46@rocky>

Hmmmm. My last race a couple weeks ago it was really hot so I decided to go 
out without the Nomex underwear, just the multi-layer suit. After reading 
that story I may never do that again (my previous season I did four races in 
100+ weather with full gear on -- not so bad really, especially when impound 
greets you with a cold washcloth and a cup of water).

Got no answers on cool shirts. Never tried one. But I've always made sure my 
bottom layer (regular underwear and socks under the Nomex undoes) was 100% 
cotton, not polyester. I understand the cotton layer is worth another 3-4 
seconds of protection.

Arm restraints ... me too. Always wondered why they didn't just put metal 
D-rings on them. I saw someone put the cloth loops over the ends of the 
shoulder harness, so I tried it. Didn't like it. I decided that was harder 
to get loose then when I hooked them on the lap belt. My cuffs slip on, like 
yours, and I wear them up around the elbows and will slide off easily (but 
in an emergency escape that's an extra move). Makes me wonder about the guys 
who have them sewn to their driver suits. BTW, you can get window nets that 
are a finer mesh instead of inch-wide straps.

--Rocky Entriken
  GP (okay HP now) Spitfire


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 4:28 PM
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems


> I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
> system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend
> to do any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the
> Miata fire, and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a
> fire, having water which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines
> on the shirt which can melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's
> worth.  Has this ever been addressed - does SCCA allow these systems,
> and if so, how is it reconciled with the requirement to wear fire-
> retardant materials?
>
> On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these
> slips over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a
> quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my
> wrists or from the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I
> don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because
> it blocks visibility to the side mirror.
>
> On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:
>
> For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the
> Miata and
> the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe
> it to
> yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
> yourself -- I sure got a good lesson
> Chuck
>
> http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/
>
>
> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com


From horizonracing at msn.com  Mon Jun 14 17:42:01 2010
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:42:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com>,
	<64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com>,
	<AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>,
	<0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <SNT141-w42BA74728B8586CD397A47B2DC0@phx.gbl>

In 1988, Gerhard Berger Crashed in a Ferrari (F1) and there was a pretty good
fire. The 3rd degree burns he got, were from the sweet in his cotton tee shirt
boiling.



As for arm restraints, I think you will find the most commonly used at dirt
tracks (sprint/midgets) are the slip over the arm type or "D" rings sewn
(spl?) into the sleeves below the elbow with separate tethers. Not the ones
that form a "y" at the tether.Those boys crash the most offen and hard ! I use
the Simpson brand and have done so for past 15 plus years.



cheers

Tony









> From: s.janzen at comcast.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:28:54 -0400
> Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
>
> I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
> system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend
> to do any time the temperature is over 65. I read this article on the
> Miata fire, and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a
> fire, having water which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines
> on the shirt which can melt, near my skin is more hazardous than it's
> worth. Has this ever been addressed - does SCCA allow these systems,
> and if so, how is it reconciled with the requirement to wear fire-
> retardant materials?
>
> On a related thought, I also use arm restraints. One end of these
> slips over the lap belt component of the harness. If I had to make a
> quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my
> wrists or from the belts. Is there a better way to anchor these? I
> don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because
> it blocks visibility to the side mirror.
>
> On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:
>
> For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the
> Miata and
> the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe
> it to
> yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
> yourself -- I sure got a good lesson
> Chuck
>
> http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/
>
>
> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com


From adams910 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 14 18:51:43 2010
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:51:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <SNT141-w42BA74728B8586CD397A47B2DC0@phx.gbl>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com>
	<64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com>
	<AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
	<SNT141-w42BA74728B8586CD397A47B2DC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTindgSE6phcXQAFvT_O7BgN5wHR3C4ImbEXXaiAH@mail.gmail.com>

Being boiled in a suit that is soaking wet is a real issue. We were
paddocked alongside a FF driver who had two suits, so if one got wet, he
would use the dry one. It made enough sense to him to justify having two
suits (probably due to a first hand experience!).

As for the cool suit, it's a closed loop system, surrounded by your drivers
suit, and is sewn into a nomex undershirt. The fluid is also constantly
moving through as long as the pump is still running. The only way I can see
it being a problem is if it is leaking in your drivers suit. Otherwise, I
think you would have much bigger problems before a fire burned through, or
burst the line from the heat.

- Bob


From jgambony at gcecisp.com  Mon Jun 14 19:55:42 2010
From: jgambony at gcecisp.com (Jim Gambony)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:55:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com><64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com><AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <9AAEBA63066F417E90D5DAD463985FF8@jrg>

Didn't there used to be a system that fed cool filtered air into the helmet?
At minimum it was a hose from the outside of the car into the helmet, if not
something more sophisticated?

I'm blowing a potential money making opportunity by suggesting this, but I'd
think a blower fan with an air line running through a cooler of icewater
into the helmet (with appropriate flame traps and maybe even a temp
sensitive cutoff) would get most of the same effect as a cool shirt, without
the burn potential from water turning to steam in the suit.

When the system is on you'd pull cool air into your helmet (and lungs)
cooling a good bit of the torso and the head.  

On one of the other racing forums someone had proposed the idea of dousing
his racing suit with a quart of water before the start as a way to keep
cool.. I suggested that it'd be ok unless the car catches fire.. Then the
advantage would be negated.    Dry air makes a good insulator, hence the
fiberglass bats in the walls/attic.  Water takes more energy to heat up, but
it conducts much too well.

Back to my idea.. With proper engineering and choice of materials it could
be done safely.    Anyone looking for such a system?



Cheers,

Jim
Dallas 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 4:29 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems

I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend to do
any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the Miata fire,
and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a fire, having water
which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines on the shirt which can
melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's worth.  Has this ever been
addressed - does SCCA allow these systems, and if so, how is it reconciled
with the requirement to wear fire- retardant materials?

On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these slips
over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a quick exit,
these things basically don't just slip off, either from my wrists or from
the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I don't like the idea of
a window net in lieu of arm restraints because it blocks visibility to the
side mirror.

On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:

For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the Miata and
the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe it to
yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
yourself -- I sure got a good lesson Chuck

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/


Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jgambony at gcecisp.com



No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2937 - Release Date: 06/14/10
13:35:00


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Mon Jun 14 20:04:03 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:04:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <9AAEBA63066F417E90D5DAD463985FF8@jrg>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com><64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com><AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
	<9AAEBA63066F417E90D5DAD463985FF8@jrg>
Message-ID: <BAD01804-BB27-4907-81D7-E5C16A39ECED@comcast.net>

'fraid somebody beat you to it. http://www.coolshirt.net/racing-cool-air-system.html 
   However, I tried one of the ventilation systems once w/o the  
cooler, and found that the corrugated hose to the helmet tended to get  
hung up on the edge of my aluminum seat, etc - really limited head  
movement.


On Jun 14, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Jim Gambony wrote:

Didn't there used to be a system that fed cool filtered air into the  
helmet?
At minimum it was a hose from the outside of the car into the helmet,  
if not
something more sophisticated?

I'm blowing a potential money making opportunity by suggesting this,  
but I'd
think a blower fan with an air line running through a cooler of icewater
into the helmet (with appropriate flame traps and maybe even a temp
sensitive cutoff) would get most of the same effect as a cool shirt,  
without
the burn potential from water turning to steam in the suit.

When the system is on you'd pull cool air into your helmet (and lungs)
cooling a good bit of the torso and the head.

On one of the other racing forums someone had proposed the idea of  
dousing
his racing suit with a quart of water before the start as a way to keep
cool.. I suggested that it'd be ok unless the car catches fire.. Then  
the
advantage would be negated.    Dry air makes a good insulator, hence the
fiberglass bats in the walls/attic.  Water takes more energy to heat  
up, but
it conducts much too well.

Back to my idea.. With proper engineering and choice of materials it  
could
be done safely.    Anyone looking for such a system?



Cheers,

Jim
Dallas

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 4:29 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems

I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend  
to do
any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the Miata  
fire,
and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a fire, having  
water
which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines on the shirt which  
can
melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's worth.  Has this ever  
been
addressed - does SCCA allow these systems, and if so, how is it  
reconciled
with the requirement to wear fire- retardant materials?

On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these slips
over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a quick  
exit,
these things basically don't just slip off, either from my wrists or  
from
the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I don't like the  
idea of
a window net in lieu of arm restraints because it blocks visibility to  
the
side mirror.

On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:

For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the  
Miata and
the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe  
it to
yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
yourself -- I sure got a good lesson Chuck

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/


Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jgambony at gcecisp.com



No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2937 - Release Date: 06/14/10
13:35:00


From jgambony at gcecisp.com  Mon Jun 14 20:13:22 2010
From: jgambony at gcecisp.com (Jim Gambony)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:13:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <BAD01804-BB27-4907-81D7-E5C16A39ECED@comcast.net>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com><64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com><AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
	<9AAEBA63066F417E90D5DAD463985FF8@jrg>
	<BAD01804-BB27-4907-81D7-E5C16A39ECED@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <7B65A1EF369343948723745AC1CBCBBB@jrg>

Scott,
 
That sounds more like a hose routing issue..not insurmountable.
 
Then again, I guess I'm a masochist.   Afterall, I moved to Dallas
voluntarily from the east coast (you need to experience a DC summer to
understand humidity) 20 years ago and now drive around in a car without a/c
during the summer.    Good training for vintage racing.
 
 
 
Cheers,
 
Jim
Dallas

  _____  

From: Scott Janzen [mailto:s.janzen at comcast.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:04 PM
To: Jim Gambony
Cc: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems


'fraid somebody beat you to it.
http://www.coolshirt.net/racing-cool-air-system.html  However, I tried one
of the ventilation systems once w/o the cooler, and found that the
corrugated hose to the helmet tended to get hung up on the edge of my
aluminum seat, etc - really limited head movement. 


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Mon Jun 14 21:29:51 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:29:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <66241AA5CA51471E9E31B3B221F99D5C@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Interesting feedback from all.

25 years ago, I used to soak the top of my nomex underwear in water on
really hot days.  I was always a bit concerned about it flashing to steam in
a fire, but it was mostly to keep me cool on pregrid.  By the second or
third lap, it was all evaporated.  Now days, I use a triple layer suit.
Never had a problem at speed, but then I have always raced open cars.

I have a Pyrotech helmet with an air feed as used on a lot of off road cars.
I bought it with the thought of blowing air into the helmet on rainy days to
keep the visor clear (we race mainly in Portland so...)  anyway, I've never
needed to use it, but the concept exists and is really not that expensive.

With regards to arm restraints, I just make sure that the loop on the
restraint is over the metal buckle and not up on the shoulder belt itself.
It falls off no problem.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 2:29 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems


I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend
to do any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the
Miata fire, and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a
fire, having water which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines
on the shirt which can melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's
worth.  Has this ever been addressed - does SCCA allow these systems,
and if so, how is it reconciled with the requirement to wear fire-
retardant materials?

On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these
slips over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a
quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my
wrists or from the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I
don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because
it blocks visibility to the side mirror.

On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:

For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the
Miata and
the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe
it to
yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
yourself -- I sure got a good lesson Chuck

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/


Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net


From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Jun 15 00:16:14 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:16:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <66241AA5CA51471E9E31B3B221F99D5C@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <20100615021614.8WHP7.772687.imail@fed1rmwml45>

Interesting.  In the GTP cars we found that , or rather Geoff Brabham found that, having a skull cap was just as good as a vest. We used to change the ice in the cool suit box on the the pit stops when using the vest. But, it it fails, you are hopeless. In the short races of the Vintage crowd, a skull cap should be perfect.
---- Norlin Engineering <norlinengineering at comcast.net> wrote: 

=============
Interesting feedback from all.

25 years ago, I used to soak the top of my nomex underwear in water on
really hot days.  I was always a bit concerned about it flashing to steam in
a fire, but it was mostly to keep me cool on pregrid.  By the second or
third lap, it was all evaporated.  Now days, I use a triple layer suit.
Never had a problem at speed, but then I have always raced open cars.

I have a Pyrotech helmet with an air feed as used on a lot of off road cars.
I bought it with the thought of blowing air into the helmet on rainy days to
keep the visor clear (we race mainly in Portland so...)  anyway, I've never
needed to use it, but the concept exists and is really not that expensive.

With regards to arm restraints, I just make sure that the loop on the
restraint is over the metal buckle and not up on the shoulder belt itself.
It falls off no problem.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 2:29 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems


I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend
to do any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the
Miata fire, and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a
fire, having water which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines
on the shirt which can melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's
worth.  Has this ever been addressed - does SCCA allow these systems,
and if so, how is it reconciled with the requirement to wear fire-
retardant materials?

On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these
slips over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a
quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my
wrists or from the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I
don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because
it blocks visibility to the side mirror.

On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:

For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the
Miata and
the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe
it to
yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
yourself -- I sure got a good lesson Chuck

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/


Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net



--
Never be beaten by equipment


From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Jun 15 00:16:29 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:16:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <66241AA5CA51471E9E31B3B221F99D5C@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <20100615021629.LJAVS.772689.imail@fed1rmwml45>

Interesting.  In the GTP cars we found that , or rather Geoff Brabham found that, having a skull cap was just as good as a vest. We used to change the ice in the cool suit box on the the pit stops when using the vest. But, it it fails, you are hopeless. In the short races of the Vintage crowd, a skull cap should be perfect.
---- Norlin Engineering <norlinengineering at comcast.net> wrote: 

=============
Interesting feedback from all.

25 years ago, I used to soak the top of my nomex underwear in water on
really hot days.  I was always a bit concerned about it flashing to steam in
a fire, but it was mostly to keep me cool on pregrid.  By the second or
third lap, it was all evaporated.  Now days, I use a triple layer suit.
Never had a problem at speed, but then I have always raced open cars.

I have a Pyrotech helmet with an air feed as used on a lot of off road cars.
I bought it with the thought of blowing air into the helmet on rainy days to
keep the visor clear (we race mainly in Portland so...)  anyway, I've never
needed to use it, but the concept exists and is really not that expensive.

With regards to arm restraints, I just make sure that the loop on the
restraint is over the metal buckle and not up on the shoulder belt itself.
It falls off no problem.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 2:29 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems


I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend
to do any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the
Miata fire, and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a
fire, having water which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines
on the shirt which can melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's
worth.  Has this ever been addressed - does SCCA allow these systems,
and if so, how is it reconciled with the requirement to wear fire-
retardant materials?

On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these
slips over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a
quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my
wrists or from the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I
don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because
it blocks visibility to the side mirror.

On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:

For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the
Miata and
the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe
it to
yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
yourself -- I sure got a good lesson Chuck

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/


Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net



--
Never be beaten by equipment


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Tue Jun 15 20:27:43 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:27:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
Message-ID: <C168E90AFD9D4073B19D08AE7C129696@rocky>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>; "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems


> Hmmmm. My last race a couple weeks ago it was really hot so I decided to 
> go out without the Nomex underwear, just the multi-layer suit. After 
> reading that story I may never do that again (my previous season I did 
> four races in 100+ weather with full gear on -- not so bad really, 
> especially when impound greets you with a cold washcloth and a cup of 
> water).
>
> Got no answers on cool shirts. Never tried one. But I've always made sure 
> my bottom layer (regular underwear and socks under the Nomex undoes) was 
> 100% cotton, not polyester. I understand the cotton layer is worth another 
> 3-4 seconds of protection.
>
> Arm restraints ... me too. Always wondered why they didn't just put metal 
> D-rings on them. I saw someone put the cloth loops over the ends of the 
> shoulder harness, so I tried it. Didn't like it. I decided that was harder 
> to get loose then when I hooked them on the lap belt. My cuffs slip on, 
> like yours, and I wear them up around the elbows and will slide off easily 
> (but in an emergency escape that's an extra move). Makes me wonder about 
> the guys who have them sewn to their driver suits. BTW, you can get window 
> nets that are a finer mesh instead of inch-wide straps.
>
> --Rocky Entriken
>  GP (okay HP now) Spitfire
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
> To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 4:28 PM
> Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
>
>
>> I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
>> system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend
>> to do any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the
>> Miata fire, and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a
>> fire, having water which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines
>> on the shirt which can melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's
>> worth.  Has this ever been addressed - does SCCA allow these systems,
>> and if so, how is it reconciled with the requirement to wear fire-
>> retardant materials?
>>
>> On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these
>> slips over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a
>> quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my
>> wrists or from the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I
>> don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because
>> it blocks visibility to the side mirror.
>>
>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:
>>
>> For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the
>> Miata and
>> the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe
>> it to
>> yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
>> yourself -- I sure got a good lesson
>> Chuck
>>
>> http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/
>>
>>
>> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 16 00:16:12 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 08:16:12 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Arm restraints
In-Reply-To: <0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com>
	<64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com>
	<AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000901cb0d1b$7445a330$5cd0e990$@com>

Scott,

I use two arm restraints in my open TR4. They are mandatory on the
Netherlands tracks.
They have a Velcro sling that catches the under arm at the ellbow, a double
steel rings to adjust the length for free movement at the steering and gear
lever and a small sling that is located to shoulder belts of the harness
where they docked into the lock.
If I open the harness then all arm restraints come free and I can escape
from the car.

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Scott Janzen
Gesendet: Montag, 14. Juni 2010 23:29
An: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems

........

On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these
slips over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a
quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my
wrists or from the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I
don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because
it blocks visibility to the side mirror.

.........


From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Jun 16 08:31:29 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:31:29 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Triumph ties to High Level Pasture Pool...
Message-ID: <936eb.6584ad7a.394a3a41@aol.com>

Amici...

I'm no golfer, nor Golf Aficionado, but I do know that TRIUMPH has some 
arm's length ties to the US Open starting today at Pebble Beach out west.  UK 
player Matt Richardson is, in fact, the grandson of Ken Richardson (RIP) 
exWorks Competition Director from TRIUMPH's Hey Day.  His Tee Time today is 5:20 
PM and tomorrow its 11:50 AM.

While this is VERY high level International Golf competition for Matt, it 
is not his first such effort.  He's no virgin.  Several years ago, he was a 
member of the UK Team in the America Golf Cup.  While his team did not do too 
well in the America Golf Cup that time, Matt actually played quite well, 
including some 'film at 11 PM shots'.  Perhaps he will shine again this trip.

Bill (Damdinger)

Aside to Kas:  You're a golfer!  With your born and bred competitive 
nature, you could be playing there too...in an all TRIUMPH related Team.


From jfrymark at aol.com  Wed Jun 16 14:56:18 2010
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:56:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 43, Issue 17
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1276711201.29569.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.3.1276711201.29569.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <571E0569-1DAD-4EE3-94DF-9F26A917224E@aol.com>

Rocky Entriken wrote: My cuffs slip on,
> like yours, and I wear them up around the elbows and will slide off  
> easily

Rocky, I was shown that arm restraint cuffs worn at the elbow take  
little force to pull up over the elbow rendering them practically  
useless. The goal is to restrain your lower arm from extending out of  
the "safe zone" of the cockpit. They should be worn on the forearm  
toward the wrist and tight enough that they can't be pulled up the  
arm, and the tether short enough that you can't extend your arm above  
head or outside the cockpit. Watch this video of Travis Pastrana  
rolling a rally car to see the potential danger of flailing arms:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Js_BYaU80w

"Stay safe my friends".(The least interesting Man in the World)


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Jun 17 16:25:06 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 18:25:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August
Message-ID: <8CCDC83117E94B0-1FCC-39D1@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com>

FOT,

I just heard a promising word on the Kastner prepared TR4 #37. It should be
ready for transport to Heartland Park in August.
It will be driven by it's owner, John Nikas.

There will be TWO Kastner Sebring TR4s at HRP as Jeff Snook is transporting
Keith Files' Sebring TR4.

Driver Keith Files will be flying in from London with his wife, Denise, and
ace TRIUMPH specialist, John Wood.

We may be having some musical surprises, too, but I will save that for another
time.

This is shaping up to being an unforgettable TRIUMPH RACING WEEKEND.

Regards,

Joe A


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Jun 17 20:12:32 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 22:12:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] NEW SCROLL SEALS FROM GERMANY...Corrected Factory Manual
 Mandril Dimensions and new ASSEMBLY MANDRILS.
Message-ID: <8CCDCA2D86899A5-1FCC-6B78@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com>

FOT LIST

Christian is going run another production run of his new combination
SCROLL/LIP SEAL.  The existing scroll seal requires a minor modification, but
the new Viton Lip Seal does not require the grinding of the crank.

If you want to be on a list of recipients of these seals, please let me know.
Christian will ship bulk to me and I will forward to you.

I had a fixture made to modify the OEM scroll seal, so if you would rather not
have this done yourself, I can make arrangements to have it done on an
exchange basis.

The new VITON SEAL will be passed through at my cost from Christian...at least
not to the FOT for the time being.

During the course of this project we discovered that others found an error in
the Factory Manual on the ASSEMBLY MANDRIL. I believe the credit goes largely
to Hardy Prentice. This correction has been reviewed by others, including
Christian, and verified.

Tim Murphy may have independently discovered this error and arrived at the
same conclusion.....

Kas' latest book was revised to reflect this dimension....

Moss Motors has been notified of the error......

To that end, I am producing a quantity of ASSEMBLY MANDRILS to the corrected
dimension. These will be offered to the FOT and others at a low cost.
(BTW, The new ASSEMBLY MANDRIL is designed so it can be used with the typical
engine stand......)

The VITON SEALS and the new ASSEMBLY MANDRIL will be available in about three
to four weeks.

Let me know and I will put you on a list and notify you when they become
available.

Joe A


From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Fri Jun 18 18:17:34 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 17:17:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Don Stanford:  The Red Car
Message-ID: <4C1C0C9E.4040904@greenheart.com>

Okay... so, as I mentioned in a prior post, I recently acquired this 
book off the internet after looking for it in used book stores for 
something like over 10 years! (After a Triumph newsgroup member 
mentioned the book and put out a request for it!)

Today, I finally sat down and read the book!   I felt I had to read it 
before shipping it off to one of my nephews!

What a great story!  It really took me back to my early days of 
discovering auto mechanics and tinkering on my first car at the age of 
15.  My own father wasn't that much different than the main character 
Hap's father.    He distanced himself from my work on the car and word 
was, he thought it would just be a good experience for me to tinker on 
the car, only to have the unfinished project sold off in a few months.  
He was right that it would be a good experience, he was wrong to think 
it would never be done.  A year later, the car was on the street, 
registered, and ready for his now 16 year old son to drive! 

I even had a moment with my father where he said my Triumph was only 
good for parades and shouldn't be driven on the highways.  I talked my 
dad into taking a drive in my car.   He drove it a few blocks and I 
couldn't take it.  He was going 25 mph in 3rd hear!  He was driving it 
like it was a Model A.   I took over the driver's seat and drove him to 
a straight away just a block from our home.  I asked him to be sure his 
seat belt was tight and just as he said it was, I floored it.  I chirped 
it into second, throwing his head back.  I chirped it into third, 
throwing his head back again. Before he knew it, I was in fourth going 
about 110 mph just as I downshifted and brought the car to a stop.   
Then I asked him if he still thought my car was only good for parades.  
And then I started to realize what I had just done... I had just driven 
like a maniac with my father in the car on a residential street near our 
house!  I wasn't sure what was going to come next!  He just sat there 
for a moment, got his bearings, took an overdue breath, exhaled, and 
asked, "Can we do that again?"    (I'm sure I shared that story here 
before, but it never gets old!)

And while I never had an old salt of a mechanic to teach me, like the 
character Frenchy, he certainly resembles a composite of men I looked up 
to in my youth.  And, yes, I had an older brother  that  I learned a lot 
from before I flipped it around and started teaching him!  : )

I have no doubt that I would have loved this book back then!  And I 
would highly recommend the book for grand kids, nephews, etc.  Or to 
adults that could use a lesson that might help them to understand the 
attraction to these beasts.

The book stands up to the 21st century pretty well.   The fact that 
there's no cell phones, Ipods, computers, etc. etc. in the story isn't 
even an issue.  And the dialogue isn't so full of out dated vocabulary 
that it draws attention to itself.  The main character, "the Red Car" is 
presented as an older model MG, so it just reads as an old British car.  
That 60 years has passed doesn't really matter.   About the only thing 
thing that might need a reality check for a young teen reading the book 
is that an old MG TC, with a little damage, isn't going to sell for 
$50.00.  And a $400 college fund isn't going to buy even the first 
semester's books!   Etc. 

Too bad it was published in 1954!   He probably wrote the book long 
before it was published.   If he had only waited a little longer, 
perhaps a TR2 would have been in the mix of the wonderful cars 
highlighted in the story.

--Justin Wagner


From jgambony at gcecisp.com  Fri Jun 18 21:17:29 2010
From: jgambony at gcecisp.com (Jim Gambony)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 22:17:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Don Stanford: The Red Car/ interesting period books and
 Fathers Day stories
In-Reply-To: <4C1C0C9E.4040904@greenheart.com>
References: <4C1C0C9E.4040904@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <C9CD490548554AF1AD1FCA3C964FE2BB@jrg>

Not to hijack Justin's idea but to augment it... ;)

Curious to see what other books FOT members read in their formative years.
I liked the John Tomerlin pair, "The Magnificent Jalopy" and his follow up
"The Nothing Special".   The first concerns a trio of high school seniors in
the mid-60s finding a '30s Packard in a chicken coop and with minimal prep
work going on a 1000 mile road rally from south California up to Oregon.
The second book is the story of their buying a Panhard based sports racer
and running at Riverside.   Things like "taking a cotton jacket and
fireproofing it" are just so quaint compared to what racers go through these
days.  Gives a better appreciation on how the sport (and safety) have
evolved in the past 50 years.

As to a Father's day story.. My father wasn't into racing as such but he did
not believe in speed limits as an absolute.  In the summer of '81 we went
from central NJ to Iowa, partly to visit family and partly for him to sell
me on going to Iowa State (didn't work, I'd been stuck in a snow drift for
half a day visiting family when I was 6).   At the beginning of the trip
he'd said "it's a long trip, don't worry too much about the speed limit".
Somewhere in mid-PA while he was napping I'd opened up the diesel Cadillac
Coupe DeVille and buried the speedometer needle well past the 85mph mark.
My father woke and realized we were a bit above the speedlimit.  In a total
show of control, he merely looked over and said "get the needle back".

And he did pay for my 76 in a 55 ticket in Iowa.   


Happy Fathers day, Dad.



Cheers,

Jim
Dallas



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Justin Wagner
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 7:18 PM
To: Friends of Triumph; Triumphs
Subject: [Fot] Don Stanford: The Red Car


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Fri Jun 18 23:18:16 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 22:18:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Don Stanford:  The Red Car
Message-ID: <29D0466F228B4C47B89998B33A5D7290@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Justin

Thanks for sharing that.  What a great story and just in time for Fathers
Day.  

My dad was a wonderful mechanic and trained me in much the same manner as
your's did.  My first car was a 1960 MGA that had lost 1st gear.  I got it
in 1968 for $400.  My mom drove down to Oregon State, where I was attending
college, in our '57 Chevy and towed it home to Portland.  I think that was
the only time she ever towed anything in her life and she was terrified.  I
was planning to work on the gearbox over the summer, but much to my
surprise, when I got back home after finals a couple of weeks later, my dad
had already rebuilt the tranny and the car was ready to go.

The greatest compliment he ever paid me was when we were together at the
race track one day and he told me I was a pretty darn good mechanic.  Can't
remember what I'd had to fix in a panic, but I'll never forget the moment.
I sure miss him.

Jim 


From riverside at southslope.net  Sat Jun 19 11:40:28 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 12:40:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] The Red Car
Message-ID: <001201cb0fd6$83056d20$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

The three most profound literary drivers of my automotive perversion
were The Red Car;   In the Track of Speed,  S. S. Moss's first
autobiography (race drivers sure scored with the chicks); and
John Fitch's autobiography.  All at about age 14

art de armond


From KENMUN at aol.com  Sat Jun 19 13:13:27 2010
From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 15:13:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] tr3 head gasket sealing
Message-ID: <94bba.199900c2.394e70d7@aol.com>

i'm having a lot of problems keeping a head gasket in my tr3 vintage racer. 
 they fail between the combustion chamber and the water passage. i'm using 
the  stock composite copper gasket. the head has about .140" removed. i 
install  the gasket smooth side up use copper coat on both sides. liners are up  
.002'/.004" from top of block.  any ideas/suggestions on how to fix this?  
thanks, ken m.


From billb at bnj.com  Sat Jun 19 20:42:28 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 19:42:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] tr3 head gasket sealing
In-Reply-To: <94bba.199900c2.394e70d7@aol.com>
References: <94bba.199900c2.394e70d7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <49A871B1-B78C-406B-958C-E06783454F9F@bnj.com>

Don't use the stock gasket. I know people swear that they make them work, but
I never have. Shim steel or mordy's copper gaskets, anything but those crapola
composite copper sandwiches. Designed to fail.


On Jun 19, 2010, at 12:13 PM, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:

> i'm having a lot of problems keeping a head gasket in my tr3 vintage racer.
> they fail between the combustion chamber and the water passage. i'm using
> the  stock composite copper gasket. the head has about .140" removed. i
> install  the gasket smooth side up use copper coat on both sides. liners are
up
> .002'/.004" from top of block.  any ideas/suggestions on how to fix this?
> thanks, ken m.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com


From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 19 22:34:16 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 21:34:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
Message-ID: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I finally have my head issues sorted out and ready to run in Seattle July 4
weekend.  The car seems to hesitate when I turn the car a sharp left.  Any
thoughts would be great.  

Mike


From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Jun 20 07:11:40 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 06:11:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C372F3E453A046EB9545BF964909F2FA@Bud>

hi Mike...1st check float level...then check position of the fork that sits 
atop the float to be sure it doesnt close the needle valve from centrifigal 
force..
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Mehl" <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 9:34 PM
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4


>I finally have my head issues sorted out and ready to run in Seattle July 4
> weekend.  The car seems to hesitate when I turn the car a sharp left.  Any
> thoughts would be great.
>
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net


From tlizzard at msn.com  Sun Jun 20 08:25:49 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 10:25:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS184DE9D445A9BFC47EBD72C3C20@phx.gbl>

Float level sounds like the first place to start, followed by fuel delivery.


Terry Stetler


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sun Jun 20 08:53:30 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 10:53:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] tr3 head gasket sealing
In-Reply-To: <94bba.199900c2.394e70d7@aol.com>
References: <94bba.199900c2.394e70d7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C1E2B6A.90806@blacksburg.net>

On 6/19/2010 3:13 PM, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
> i'm having a lot of problems keeping a head gasket in my tr3 vintage racer.
>   they fail between the combustion chamber and the water passage. i'm using
> the  stock composite copper gasket. the head has about .140" removed. i
> install  the gasket smooth side up use copper coat on both sides. liners are up
> .002'/.004" from top of block.  any ideas/suggestions on how to fix this?
> thanks, ken m.
> _______________________________________________
>    
Ken,
Did you measure all four corners of each sleeve?  It's important to have 
uniform protrusion.  WRT sealants, I've always had excellent results 
using Gasgasinch, by Edelbrock.

hth

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Jun 20 09:35:04 2010
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 11:35:04 EDT
Subject: [Fot] SAE pubs on dynos?
Message-ID: <b413f.1b0aedfa.394f8f28@aol.com>

Amici,
 
I'm struggling to learn about dyno operation, anybody know anything about  
SAE pub J606/607?  Apparently it details how to conduct a test?
 
Or better yet, point me to some learnin...;-))


From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Sun Jun 20 09:51:39 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 11:51:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] wheels
Message-ID: <01c301cb1090$7a0d2d10$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

Hi guys, has anyone had any experience with ROTA wheels? I'm looking for a
spare set for rain tires.
I saw these ROTA RB wheels; they look like Panasport knockoffs. Made in the
Phillipines. Decent price.
Good wheels or stay away?
Thanks, Bill


From adams910 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 20 11:33:23 2010
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 13:33:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] wheels
In-Reply-To: <01c301cb1090$7a0d2d10$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
References: <01c301cb1090$7a0d2d10$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilSK9N5fmll7SkmdULLthjcgT8aIv5f6Q2cPD2V@mail.gmail.com>

Bill,

They're a little heavy (13lbs for a 15x7?), but are popular with the Spec
Miata racers.

- Bob

On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 11:51 AM, WILLIAM TOBIN
<william.tobin3 at verizon.net>wrote:

> Hi guys, has anyone had any experience with ROTA wheels? I'm looking for a
> spare set for rain tires.
> I saw these ROTA RB wheels; they look like Panasport knockoffs. Made in the
> Phillipines. Decent price.
> Good wheels or stay away?
> Thanks, Bill
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/adams910 at gmail.com


From dave at microworks.net  Sun Jun 20 13:58:00 2010
From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 12:58:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] wheels
In-Reply-To: <01c301cb1090$7a0d2d10$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
References: <01c301cb1090$7a0d2d10$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <D162A6937DBC4644A9C4D43302B2B4D0@sys>

Bill Close (on the FOT List) sells wheels like these

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of WILLIAM TOBIN
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 8:52 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] wheels

Hi guys, has anyone had any experience with ROTA wheels? I'm looking for a
spare set for rain tires.
I saw these ROTA RB wheels; they look like Panasport knockoffs. Made in the
Phillipines. Decent price.
Good wheels or stay away?
Thanks, Bill
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dave at microworks.net


From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jun 20 17:31:13 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 16:31:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Building a new engine for the GT6
Message-ID: <523336.9503.qm@web180716.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I just dropped off a short block and I have one of the TR heads preferred for race preparation.

I want to build a safe,fun, easy revving engine for the GT6+ race car.  Spare engine...

I'm looking for ideas. I'm gonna needs some parts from the likes of Ted and Joe, I'm sure. I've already got all the parts together for the head.... now...for the short block... 
I'm looking for opinions and direction. Would like to hit 7000 rpm and be able to keep the engine together for 3-4 seasons.

Flat top pistons? Do I NEED forged pistons? Should I bore it .040 over? .030, .020 ??

I know I'm going to need the double row timing chain from the TR6, does the GT6 timing cover fit?

I DO have a Ric Cline cam and we are going to do cam bearings....

Looking for ideas and input... heck, if your build sheet shows up in an email, that will be swellllllll.......

All the best (too hot in Texas !!!)

Sent my registration in for Heartland in August, so ... the GT6 will be there.

Bobby Whitehead


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Jun 20 23:18:19 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 00:18:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>

Mike, the tops of the float bowls need to be oriented so that the 
pivot for the float is at the front or the rear, not to either side.

- Tony Drews

At 11:34 PM 6/19/2010, Mike Mehl wrote:
>I finally have my head issues sorted out and ready to run in Seattle July 4
>weekend.  The car seems to hesitate when I turn the car a sharp left.  Any
>thoughts would be great.
>
>Mike


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 21 00:26:54 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 08:26:54 +0200
Subject: [Fot] wheels
In-Reply-To: <01c301cb1090$7a0d2d10$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
References: <01c301cb1090$7a0d2d10$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <000901cb110a$bfb338d0$3f19aa70$@com>

Seems that this guy had some experiance:

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/8463/rotaposterkq9.jpg

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von WILLIAM TOBIN
Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. Juni 2010 17:52
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] wheels

Hi guys, has anyone had any experience with ROTA wheels? I'm looking for a
spare set for rain tires.
I saw these ROTA RB wheels; they look like Panasport knockoffs. Made in the
Phillipines. Decent price.
Good wheels or stay away?
Thanks, Bill
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com


From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 21 07:19:23 2010
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 06:19:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] wheels
Message-ID: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Now THAT is a funny poster. I have some friends that race Smash Miata that have tried them and have had failure after impacting various objects.
(which they do a lot)

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 21, 2010, at 1:26 AM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

Seems that this guy had some experiance:

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/8463/rotaposterkq9.jpg

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von WILLIAM TOBIN
Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. Juni 2010 17:52
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] wheels

Hi guys, has anyone had any experience with ROTA wheels? I'm looking for a
spare set for rain tires.
I saw these ROTA RB wheels; they look like Panasport knockoffs. Made in the
Phillipines. Decent price.
Good wheels or stay away?
Thanks, Bill
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 21 07:31:26 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 15:31:26 +0200
Subject: [Fot] wheels
In-Reply-To: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>

I don't expect quality rims from the Philippines (where do they get the
aluminum from?), you never would buy beer from the Philippines either.
I think you can get masses of high quality boat people from the Philippines
;-)

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Mike Munson [mailto:fasttrs at yahoo.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 21. Juni 2010 15:19
An: MadMarx
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] wheels

Now THAT is a funny poster. I have some friends that race Smash Miata that
have tried them and have had failure after impacting various objects.
(which they do a lot)

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 21, 2010, at 1:26 AM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

Seems that this guy had some experiance:

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/8463/rotaposterkq9.jpg

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von WILLIAM TOBIN
Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. Juni 2010 17:52
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] wheels

Hi guys, has anyone had any experience with ROTA wheels? I'm looking for a
spare set for rain tires.
I saw these ROTA RB wheels; they look like Panasport knockoffs. Made in the
Phillipines. Decent price.
Good wheels or stay away?
Thanks, Bill
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com


From adams910 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 21 08:51:10 2010
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 10:51:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] wheels
In-Reply-To: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikXj-8WKTbl2OIMFyhhaj9OHeWaEtb_N782dblR@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't seen them ever fail when used as intended (FYI: SM's are in the
2300-2400lb range, turn times faster than most vintage Triumph racers, and
they use all the curbing + some on a regular basis), and they're a pretty
common wheel. Granted if you hit a 3" wall of curbing head on they're going
to break, just as any other wheel would.

Take it for what it's worth

Bob


From adams910 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 21 09:14:55 2010
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 11:14:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] wheels
In-Reply-To: <005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>
References: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinsgWup24y3KLr9gKSX2ONz3DitEcXbuM-b68Dh@mail.gmail.com>

So going by that, if Bill wants to buy rain wheels for his car he's pretty
much left with companies like BBS, Jongbloed, CCW, Kodiak, etc.

I'm not exactly sure he's looking to spend $3k on a set of rain wheels.

Unfortunately, you're not going to find much in the way of good cast wheels,
without breaking the bank, without sourcing them from Asia.  Maybe
Superlight? In all seriousness, they work on Spec Miatas (FYI: the Spec
Miata lap record at Watkins Glen is a 2.17.0. This is faster than any
Triumph has ever gone except for Halkias' EP car.). I'm pretty sure they're
going to hold up in wet conditions on a TR6.

Later,

Bob


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 21 10:34:57 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:34:57 +0200
Subject: [Fot] wheels
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinsgWup24y3KLr9gKSX2ONz3DitEcXbuM-b68Dh@mail.gmail.com>
References: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>
	<AANLkTinsgWup24y3KLr9gKSX2ONz3DitEcXbuM-b68Dh@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007001cb115f$b0a59cc0$11f0d640$@com>

The current status here in Germany is that these wheels are off the street
now.

The German TUV wants to have a manufacturer proof (or how do you call this)
about the strength and durability of their wheels before they are allowed to
use on the road.

Rota dont supply this certification with their wheels so nobody can use
them legally here in Germany.



Von: Bob Adams [mailto:adams910 at gmail.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 21. Juni 2010 17:15
An: MadMarx
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] wheels



So going by that, if Bill wants to buy rain wheels for his car he's pretty
much left with companies like BBS, Jongbloed, CCW, Kodiak, etc.

I'm not exactly sure he's looking to spend $3k on a set of rain wheels.

Unfortunately, you're not going to find much in the way of good cast wheels,
without breaking the bank, without sourcing them from Asia.  Maybe
Superlight? In all seriousness, they work on Spec Miatas (FYI: the Spec
Miata lap record at Watkins Glen is a 2.17.0. This is faster than any
Triumph has ever gone except for Halkias' EP car.). I'm pretty sure they're
going to hold up in wet conditions on a TR6.

Later,

Bob


From jhd11 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 21 10:55:51 2010
From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:55:51 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Wheels
Message-ID: <COL118-W35C37C3F3C413D8592D212A9C30@phx.gbl>

     I have used Rotas auto-xing a Mini on R-rated Kumhos with good results.
Never had them on a track.  Re: Superlights, talk to Hap at Acme Speed Shop in
Greenville N.C.  He has had some good deals in the past.

Joe Downer

_________________________________________________________________
The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL
:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 21 11:39:45 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:39:45 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Eifelrace 300 km practice session
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinsgWup24y3KLr9gKSX2ONz3DitEcXbuM-b68Dh@mail.gmail.com>
References: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>
	<AANLkTinsgWup24y3KLr9gKSX2ONz3DitEcXbuM-b68Dh@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008901cb1168$beeaf010$3cc0d030$@com>

This video shows the 2nd fastest lap of my practice session:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bNcPI1e9Pw

 

Cheers

Chris


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 21 14:05:11 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:05:11 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Eifelrace 300 km practice session
In-Reply-To: <4C1FC593.4090808@pobox.com>
References: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>
	<AANLkTinsgWup24y3KLr9gKSX2ONz3DitEcXbuM-b68Dh@mail.gmail.com>
	<008901cb1168$beeaf010$3cc0d030$@com> <4C1FC593.4090808@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <00c101cb117d$0fd98950$2f8c9bf0$@com>

Wait for the wet race video and you would think your words over ;-)

 

Von: Larry Young [mailto:cartravel at pobox.com] 
Gesendet: Montag, 21. Juni 2010 22:04
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Eifelrace 300 km practice session

 

That looks pretty good.  You flew past some of those other cars.  Looks like
a fun track. 
Larry

MadMarx wrote: 

This video shows the 2nd fastest lap of my practice session:
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bNcPI1e9Pw
 
 
 
Cheers
 
Chris
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net
 
http://www.fot-racing.com
 
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com


From SpiwakD at aol.com  Mon Jun 21 18:49:45 2010
From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 20:49:45 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
Message-ID: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>

I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple Hydraulics  
and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my 1957.  
Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Mon Jun 21 21:05:50 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:05:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>

Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one that
leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess I'll
hold off on that now.

Tim
1961 TR4 #317

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:50 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple Hydraulics  
and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my 1957.  
Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Jun 22 00:59:36 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:59:36 +0200
Subject: [Fot]  Eifelrace 300 km
In-Reply-To: <687328.67400.qm@web46112.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>
	<AANLkTinsgWup24y3KLr9gKSX2ONz3DitEcXbuM-b68Dh@mail.gmail.com>
	<008901cb1168$beeaf010$3cc0d030$@com>
	<687328.67400.qm@web46112.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001401cb11d8$7b24ab80$716e0280$@com>

And the first part of the race



http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5485437581349389506



Cheers

Chris


From jaboruch at netzero.net  Tue Jun 22 05:34:42 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:34:42 GMT
Subject: [Fot] tr3 head gasket sealing
Message-ID: <20100622.073442.8317.1@webmail02.dca.untd.com>

This points out the need we have for a good modern Multi Layer head gasket.
While the steel shim gaskets will work, it takes a lot of time on my part to
add all the copper o-rings to make it work.  It would be great to have a head
gasket that I could just use as is.

About 5 years or so ago I checked with a manufacturer of multi layer gaskets
(Cometic) and the engineering costs were more than I could afford.  Maybe it's
time to check again?  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
To: KENMUN at aol.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] tr3 head gasket sealing
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 19:42:28 -0700

Don't use the stock gasket. I know people swear that they make them work, but
I never have. Shim steel or mordy's copper gaskets, anything but those
crapola
composite copper sandwiches. Designed to fail.


On Jun 19, 2010, at 12:13 PM, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:

> i'm having a lot of problems keeping a head gasket in my tr3 vintage racer.
> they fail between the combustion chamber and the water passage. i'm using
> the  stock composite copper gasket. the head has about .140" removed. i
> install  the gasket smooth side up use copper coat on both sides. liners
are
up
> .002'/.004" from top of block.  any ideas/suggestions on how to fix this?
> thanks, ken m.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net


____________________________________________________________
TODAY: iPads for $123.74?
ALERT: iPads are being auctioned for 95% off today!
http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c20a010a89f84dc9d4st02duc


From ikorey at comcast.net  Tue Jun 22 06:11:38 2010
From: ikorey at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 07:11:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikE9D6APShKq6hJrTVXtexE8_sGqb0_pVClw6zA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Tim Murphy <timmurph at fastbytes.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one that
> leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess I'll
> hold off on that now.
>


There's an excellent alternative to Apple. Peter at World Wide Imports of
Madison (WI)
has his own lever shock rebuilding operation. I visited his shop once, plus
we had him give a tech
session on lever shocks at the 2005 VTR Convention. He rebuilds levers on
site, adds seals
where the factory didn't have them, and stands behind his work. He will
custom valve your shocks, if
you want something other than stock. He also created an externally
adjustable lever to fit the TR6,
and I'm pretty sure he has them to fit TR4's. While he's not a TRiumph
guy, he IS a British car guy and drives one almost daily.

http://www.nosimport.com/?

NFI

Irv Korey


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 22 07:13:12 2010
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:13:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikE9D6APShKq6hJrTVXtexE8_sGqb0_pVClw6zA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>,
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>,
	<AANLkTikE9D6APShKq6hJrTVXtexE8_sGqb0_pVClw6zA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W34232CB07EC11F54FA9862BAC40@phx.gbl>

I vote with Irv. Have them on my TR6. No leaks, work great.



Marty

>
> There's an excellent alternative to Apple. Peter at World Wide Imports of
> Madison (WI)
> has his own lever shock rebuilding operation. I visited his shop once, plus
> we had him give a tech
> session on lever shocks at the 2005 VTR Convention. He rebuilds levers on
> site, adds seals
> where the factory didn't have them, and stands behind his work. He will
> custom valve your shocks, if
> you want something other than stock. He also created an externally
> adjustable lever to fit the TR6,
> and I'm pretty sure he has them to fit TR4's. While he's not a TRiumph
> guy, he IS a British car guy and drives one almost daily.
>
> http://www.nosimport.com/?
>
> NFI
>
> Irv Korey

_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL
:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Jun 22 07:42:39 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:42:39 +0200
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W34232CB07EC11F54FA9862BAC40@phx.gbl>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>,
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>,
	<AANLkTikE9D6APShKq6hJrTVXtexE8_sGqb0_pVClw6zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY123-W34232CB07EC11F54FA9862BAC40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001f01cb1210$c9225c00$5b671400$@com>

I have lever shocks.
They leak a little, they get topped up from time to time and work great,
also on bumpy tracks.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von marty sukey
Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Juni 2010 15:13
An: ikorey at comcast.net; timmurph at fastbytes.com
Cc: FOT
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

I vote with Irv. Have them on my TR6. No leaks, work great.



Marty

>
> There's an excellent alternative to Apple. Peter at World Wide Imports of
> Madison (WI)
> has his own lever shock rebuilding operation. I visited his shop once,
plus
> we had him give a tech
> session on lever shocks at the 2005 VTR Convention. He rebuilds levers on
> site, adds seals
> where the factory didn't have them, and stands behind his work. He will
> custom valve your shocks, if
> you want something other than stock. He also created an externally
> adjustable lever to fit the TR6,
> and I'm pretty sure he has them to fit TR4's. While he's not a TRiumph
> guy, he IS a British car guy and drives one almost daily.
>
> http://www.nosimport.com/?
>
> NFI
>
> Irv Korey

_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:W
L
:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jun 22 08:43:32 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:43:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikE9D6APShKq6hJrTVXtexE8_sGqb0_pVClw6zA@mail.gmail.c om>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<AANLkTikE9D6APShKq6hJrTVXtexE8_sGqb0_pVClw6zA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100622144236.0E0C11878E2@autox.team.net>

Jack had the custom valved, externally adjustable ones from Peter at 
World Wide Imports on his TR-4 and worked with Peter to get the 
location of the external plumbing in an accessible area.  He was very 
pleased with those.

- Tony Drews

At 07:11 AM 6/22/2010, Irv Korey wrote:
>On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Tim Murphy <timmurph at fastbytes.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one that
> > leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess I'll
> > hold off on that now.
> >
>
>
>There's an excellent alternative to Apple. Peter at World Wide Imports of
>Madison (WI)
>has his own lever shock rebuilding operation. I visited his shop once, plus
>we had him give a tech
>session on lever shocks at the 2005 VTR Convention. He rebuilds levers on
>site, adds seals
>where the factory didn't have them, and stands behind his work. He will
>custom valve your shocks, if
>you want something other than stock. He also created an externally
>adjustable lever to fit the TR6,
>and I'm pretty sure he has them to fit TR4's. While he's not a TRiumph
>guy, he IS a British car guy and drives one almost daily.
>
>http://www.nosimport.com/?
>
>NFI
>
>Irv Korey


From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Jun 22 09:25:15 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:25:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W34232CB07EC11F54FA9862BAC40@phx.gbl>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>,
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>,
	<AANLkTikE9D6APShKq6hJrTVXtexE8_sGqb0_pVClw6zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY123-W34232CB07EC11F54FA9862BAC40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4C20D5DB.9010607@pobox.com>

When I bought my TR3 it had tube shocks on it.  That caused me to lose a 
point with CVAR for authenticity.  I didn't know about World Wide 
Imports, so I bought rebuilt lever shocks from Roadster Factory and sold 
the tube shocks on Ebay.  I've never had any problems and can't tell any 
difference in handling.
Larry Young

marty sukey wrote:
> I vote with Irv. Have them on my TR6. No leaks, work great.
>
>
>
> Marty
>
>   
>> There's an excellent alternative to Apple. Peter at World Wide Imports of
>> Madison (WI)
>> has his own lever shock rebuilding operation. I visited his shop once, plus
>> we had him give a tech
>> session on lever shocks at the 2005 VTR Convention. He rebuilds levers on
>> site, adds seals
>> where the factory didn't have them, and stands behind his work. He will
>> custom valve your shocks, if
>> you want something other than stock. He also created an externally
>> adjustable lever to fit the TR6,
>> and I'm pretty sure he has them to fit TR4's. While he's not a TRiumph
>> guy, he IS a British car guy and drives one almost daily.
>>
>> http://www.nosimport.com/?
>>
>> NFI
>>
>> Irv Korey
>>     
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL
> :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com


From adams910 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 09:19:25 2010
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:19:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Mid Ohio
Message-ID: <AANLkTillYdombGwualW3G6zO_gWX70eIMmFSTXuguDpv@mail.gmail.com>

I'm surprised by the lack of Triumph entries. Anyone going? It looks like
car counts are up slightly, probably something to do with HSR losing its
date to the Bobby Rahal Group at Watkins Glen.


Group 3 is shaping up to be a barn burner.
http://svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/attachmentweb/EJEN-7Z4QY8/$file/Entry+List+-+By+Name.pdf?OpenElement

Bob


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 22 10:25:06 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:25:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <4C20D5DB.9010607@pobox.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>,
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>,
	<AANLkTikE9D6APShKq6hJrTVXtexE8_sGqb0_pVClw6zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY123-W34232CB07EC11F54FA9862BAC40@phx.gbl>
	<4C20D5DB.9010607@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <6D31A7DB-CBB7-49B9-A04A-C6E5FD43C9C6@earthlink.net>

I have lever shocks on my dad's old TR3.  Stock with thicker shock oil  
for racing.   They leak as originally designed, but they leak very  
slowly over time.  Other slowly seeping parts include the engine,  
trans, and diff.  Also, the grease fittings on the driveshaft and  
suspension points are greasy inside and out.

~Steve



On Jun 22, 2010, at 8:25 AM, Larry Young wrote:

When I bought my TR3 it had tube shocks on it.  That caused me to lose a
point with CVAR for authenticity.  I didn't know about World Wide
Imports, so I bought rebuilt lever shocks from Roadster Factory and sold
the tube shocks on Ebay.  I've never had any problems and can't tell any
difference in handling.
Larry Young

marty sukey wrote:
> I vote with Irv. Have them on my TR6. No leaks, work great.
>
>
>
> Marty
>
>
>> There's an excellent alternative to Apple. Peter at World Wide  
>> Imports of
>> Madison (WI)
>> has his own lever shock rebuilding operation. I visited his shop  
>> once, plus
>> we had him give a tech
>> session on lever shocks at the 2005 VTR Convention. He rebuilds  
>> levers on
>> site, adds seals
>> where the factory didn't have them, and stands behind his work. He  
>> will
>> custom valve your shocks, if
>> you want something other than stock. He also created an externally
>> adjustable lever to fit the TR6,
>> and I'm pretty sure he has them to fit TR4's. While he's not a  
>> TRiumph
>> guy, he IS a British car guy and drives one almost daily.
>>
>> http://www.nosimport.com/?
>>
>> NFI
>>
>> Irv Korey
>>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from  
> your inbox.
> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL
> :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 22 10:32:02 2010
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:32:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Mid Ohio
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTillYdombGwualW3G6zO_gWX70eIMmFSTXuguDpv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTillYdombGwualW3G6zO_gWX70eIMmFSTXuguDpv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W29091AB2CA8651DF307B2ABAC40@phx.gbl>

Jason and I will be there to lend moral support.  Seems as though Triumphs at
Mid-Ohio have been few and far between for a few years now.



Marty

> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:19:25 -0400
> From: adams910 at gmail.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] SVRA Mid Ohio
>
> I'm surprised by the lack of Triumph entries. Anyone going? It looks like
> car counts are up slightly, probably something to do with HSR losing its
> date to the Bobby Rahal Group at Watkins Glen.
>
>
> Group 3 is shaping up to be a barn burner.
>
http://svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/attachmentweb/EJEN-7Z4QY8/$file/Entry+List+
-+By+Name.pdf?OpenElement
>
> Bob
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com
>
>

_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL
:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Jun 22 10:46:02 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:46:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Mid Ohio
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTillYdombGwualW3G6zO_gWX70eIMmFSTXuguDpv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTillYdombGwualW3G6zO_gWX70eIMmFSTXuguDpv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CCE04188B987EB-740-4E6A@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>

Bob,

Blackhawk Farms and Mosport are popular events for TRs.   I wonder if that
doesnt draw folks away.

I suspect there are other reasons, too.

Joe A





-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:19 am
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Mid Ohio


I'm surprised by the lack of Triumph entries. Anyone going? It looks like
ar counts are up slightly, probably something to do with HSR losing its
ate to the Bobby Rahal Group at Watkins Glen.

roup 3 is shaping up to be a barn burner.
ttp://svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/attachmentweb/EJEN-7Z4QY8/$file/Entry+List+-
+By+Name.pdf?OpenElement
Bob
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Jun 22 11:11:59 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 13:11:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO  UPDATE
Message-ID: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>

Even though I didnt enter the Ambro, I did take it to Blackhawk Farms.

It now has been teched and has a VSCDA LOGBOOK.

Weight check showed a 49% front and 51% rear bias w/out driver.

It seems to have good manners at TOURING SPEEDS.

As you can tell, I am in no hurry to run it in anger.

Might run it at Heartland Park...at least thats the plan.


From tedtsimx at bright.net  Tue Jun 22 11:38:52 2010
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 13:38:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio vintage race
Message-ID: <4C20F52C.8010109@bright.net>

Hello lists.  We will be at Mid-Ohio all week end with our parts and 
apparel trailer. Main location in the paddock with a second booth in the 
infield for Saturday's Brit car show. If you need me to bring anything 
to the track,please let me know.Stop by and say hello.Thanks, Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Jun 22 12:31:04 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:31:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio vintage race
In-Reply-To: <4C20F52C.8010109@bright.net>
References: <4C20F52C.8010109@bright.net>
Message-ID: <8CCE0503520CF78-D48-B42@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>

Ted,

Are you coming to Heartland Park in August?  We will have no less than 25
Triumphs running the Kastner Cup and an a very strong club presence in
designated corrals.

Vendor spots are only $100 for each for 10 X 20 spaces.

Thanks,

Joe Alexander








-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Schumacher <tedtsimx at bright.net>
To: 6pack at autox.team.net; Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>;
spitfires at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net; nass at yahoogroups.com; TR8
CCCA Listing <tr8 at mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:38 pm
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio vintage race


Hello lists. We will be at Mid-Ohio all week end with our parts and apparel
trailer. Main location in the paddock with a second booth in the infield for
Saturday's Brit car show. If you need me to bring anything to the track,please
let me know.Stop by and say hello.Thanks, Ted

-- Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com


From jhouathome at aol.com  Tue Jun 22 12:41:04 2010
From: jhouathome at aol.com (jhouathome at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:41:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO  UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CCE0519A6D4FD8-2260-5FD2@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com>

I will add to Joe's post that it is a BEAUTIFUL car, and very well done.  If
you have not see it it is well worth the trip to the track just to see the
Ambro.  Well done Joe!
John





-----Original Message-----
From: n197tr4 at cs.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:11 pm
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO UPDATE


Even though I didnt enter the Ambro, I did take it to Blackhawk Farms.
It now has been teched and has a VSCDA LOGBOOK.
Weight check showed a 49% front and 51% rear bias w/out driver.
It seems to have good manners at TOURING SPEEDS.
As you can tell, I am in no hurry to run it in anger.
Might run it at Heartland Park...at least thats the plan.
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com


From jhouathome at aol.com  Tue Jun 22 12:41:09 2010
From: jhouathome at aol.com (jhouathome at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:41:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO  UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CCE0519D94434B-2260-5FD7@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com>

I will add to Joe's post that it is a BEAUTIFUL car, and very well done.  If
you have not see it it is well worth the trip to the track just to see the
Ambro.  Well done Joe!
John





-----Original Message-----
From: n197tr4 at cs.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:11 pm
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO UPDATE


Even though I didnt enter the Ambro, I did take it to Blackhawk Farms.
It now has been teched and has a VSCDA LOGBOOK.
Weight check showed a 49% front and 51% rear bias w/out driver.
It seems to have good manners at TOURING SPEEDS.
As you can tell, I am in no hurry to run it in anger.
Might run it at Heartland Park...at least thats the plan.
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Tue Jun 22 13:00:40 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:00:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cover car
Message-ID: <7B2C31BA493B4DFCA2B48053F8828245@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Friends

I have to share the following link:

http://www.nwr-scca.org/regional/newsletter/2010/Jun10/NWSCN_0610_Pg1.pdf

The Spitfire made the cover of Northwest Region SCCA's newsletter.  The
weekend was one of survival as the conditions kept changing.  This was the
double National over Memorial Day weekend.

Jim


From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Jun 22 13:28:37 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:28:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO  UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C210EE5.6070809@pobox.com>

So, what is the total weight?  I've heard they are not much lighter than 
a TR3 or TR4. - Larry

n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> Even though I didnt enter the Ambro, I did take it to Blackhawk Farms.
>
> It now has been teched and has a VSCDA LOGBOOK.
>
> Weight check showed a 49% front and 51% rear bias w/out driver.
>
> It seems to have good manners at TOURING SPEEDS.
>
> As you can tell, I am in no hurry to run it in anger.
>
> Might run it at Heartland Park...at least thats the plan.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Jun 22 13:35:48 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:35:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO  UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <8CCE0519A6D4FD8-2260-5FD2@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CCE0519A6D4FD8-2260-5FD2@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CCE059402F1F46-D48-1BD6@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>

Ya but, wait until you see John's KELLISON....to be unveiled at Kohler
International Challenge.

And frankly, Dennis DeLap's TVR SPECIAL drew a lot more attention than the
AMBRO did at Blackhawk.

Pretty satisfying stuff to go out of the box on production cars and build
something 'different'.

Thanks, John

Joe A






-----Original Message-----
From: jhouathome at aol.com
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMBRO UPDATE



I will add to Joe's post that it is a BEAUTIFUL car, and very well done.  If
you have not see it it is well worth the trip to the track just to see the
Ambro.  Well done Joe!
John





-----Original Message-----
From: n197tr4 at cs.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:11 pm
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO UPDATE


Even though I didnt enter the Ambro, I did take it to Blackhawk Farms.
It now has been teched and has a VSCDA LOGBOOK.
Weight check showed a 49% front and 51% rear bias w/out driver.
It seems to have good manners at TOURING SPEEDS.
As you can tell, I am in no hurry to run it in anger.
Might run it at Heartland Park...at least thats the plan.
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Jun 22 13:56:36 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:56:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO  UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <4C210EE5.6070809@pobox.com>
References: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
	<4C210EE5.6070809@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <8CCE05C2819EEAB-1570-CB@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>

I wasnt going to say.

But since you asked...it was 1847#

A concerted effort might have yielded 1700# without spending any extra money.

Spending a lot of money might have yielded 1650#

Just a guess........

How fast do you want to go?....how much do you want to spend?

I suspect that the AMBRO will do what I need it to.

This engine likely could use a Larry Young Cam and another engine for the
street.

Grandson Brendan took me to dinner in it twice while at Blackhawk Farms. How
cool is that?

I think he wants to go to drivers school. Alexander Racing is going to sign
him to a lifetime contract.

Joe A







-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMBRO UPDATE


So, what is the total weight?  I've heard they are not much lighter than a TR3
or TR4. - Larry

n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
Even though I didnt enter the Ambro, I did take it to Blackhawk Farms.
It now has been teched and has a VSCDA LOGBOOK.
Weight check showed a 49% front and 51% rear bias w/out driver.
It seems to have good manners at TOURING SPEEDS.
As you can tell, I am in no hurry to run it in anger.
Might run it at Heartland Park...at least thats the plan.
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com


From stutzmans at comcast.net  Tue Jun 22 14:51:52 2010
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:51:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
Message-ID: <A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>

One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  Its OK if they leak a bit 
because you can add fluid.  Can't do that with tube shocks.
Bruce
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion


> Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one that
> leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess I'll
> hold off on that now.
>
> Tim
> 1961 TR4 #317
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:50 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
> I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple Hydraulics
> and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my 1957.
> Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun 22 15:09:30 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:09:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

<< One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  >>

Just mild curiosity from a Spitfire guy...what's the knock on lever
shocks?  What is it that they do badly that tube shocks do better?

Scott (B.)

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Stutzman
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:52 PM
To: Tim Murphy; SpiwakD at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  Its OK if they leak a
bit
because you can add fluid.  Can't do that with tube shocks.
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion


> Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one
that
> leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess
I'll
> hold off on that now.
>
> Tim
> 1961 TR4 #317
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
On
> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:50 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
> I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple
Hydraulics
> and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my
1957.
> Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jun 22 15:20:33 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:20:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Shock Fluid / Lever Shocks
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1006221718100.17577@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

Does anyone in this group use the various shock fluid available from 
RedLine in thier lever shoX? If so, which weight(s).

Just curious. I have a pint or two sitting on the shelf and I'm thinking 
of draining and refilling the shocks in the race car for a test.

regards,
rml
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Lang              Triumph TR6!!            |  This space for rent
2010 NER Solo Chair                            |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
---------------------------------------------------------------------------


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Jun 22 15:46:39 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:46:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <001401cb1254$658f3cf0$30adb6d0$@com>

Leak??

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:10 PM
To: Stutzman; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

<< One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  >>

Just mild curiosity from a Spitfire guy...what's the knock on lever
shocks?  What is it that they do badly that tube shocks do better?

Scott (B.)

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Stutzman
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:52 PM
To: Tim Murphy; SpiwakD at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  Its OK if they leak a
bit
because you can add fluid.  Can't do that with tube shocks.
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion


> Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one
that
> leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess
I'll
> hold off on that now.
>
> Tim
> 1961 TR4 #317
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
On
> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:50 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
> I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple
Hydraulics
> and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my
1957.
> Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun 22 15:49:17 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:49:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <001401cb1254$658f3cf0$30adb6d0$@com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<001401cb1254$658f3cf0$30adb6d0$@com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA5C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

I mean, aside from that.  Doesn't everything leak?  :-)

Do tube shocks out-perform lever shocks in some other way?



-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Murphy [mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:47 PM
To: Barr, Scott; 'Stutzman'; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

Leak??

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:10 PM
To: Stutzman; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

<< One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  >>

Just mild curiosity from a Spitfire guy...what's the knock on lever
shocks?  What is it that they do badly that tube shocks do better?

Scott (B.)

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Stutzman
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:52 PM
To: Tim Murphy; SpiwakD at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  Its OK if they leak a
bit
because you can add fluid.  Can't do that with tube shocks.
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion


> Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one
that
> leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess
I'll
> hold off on that now.
>
> Tim
> 1961 TR4 #317
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
On
> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:50 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
> I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple
Hydraulics
> and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my
1957.
> Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com


From tedtsimx at bright.net  Tue Jun 22 16:40:08 2010
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:40:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net>

Scott, shocks - the Brits really do use the correct term, dampers - 
serve to dampen wheel up & down movement.  The difference happens when  
there is a rapid series of up/down oscillations.  The lever shock can 
"foam" the fluid so the damping effect is lost since the shock fluid is 
now foam rather than pure fluid. Tube shocks do not "foam" so the 
damping effect is consistent. Ted


Barr, Scott wrote:
> << One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  >>
>
> Just mild curiosity from a Spitfire guy...what's the knock on lever
> shocks?  What is it that they do badly that tube shocks do better?
>
> Scott (B.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Stutzman
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:52 PM
> To: Tim Murphy; SpiwakD at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
> One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  Its OK if they leak a
> bit
> because you can add fluid.  Can't do that with tube shocks.
> Bruce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
> To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
>
>   
>> Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one
>>     
> that
>   
>> leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess
>>     
> I'll
>   
>> hold off on that now.
>>
>> Tim
>> 1961 TR4 #317
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
>>     
> On
>   
>> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:50 PM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>>
>> I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple
>>     
> Hydraulics
>   
>> and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my
>>     
> 1957.
>   
>> Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>> Unsubscribe:
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>> Unsubscribe:
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tedtsimx at bright.net
Internal Virus Database is out of date.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2910 - Release Date: 06/01/10
06:25:00


From billbab at me.com  Tue Jun 22 17:11:41 2010
From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:11:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  TR3 rear shock conversion
References: <AC28B171-F345-489B-97B4-0B6C3FEFF6D0@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <BB2DE3ED-89C1-4ADF-BDBA-7B192F1E8E1B@me.com>

This almost certainly boinked since I forgot to trim off the extra bits. 


The construction has a lot of limitations. Modern racing shocks have precisely controlled damping that doesn't change much as the shock is stroked repeatedly. They use sealed air chambers or other means to prevent gasses from being introduced into the shock oil, the stroke of the shock is full travel so the damping in both directions can be controlled effectively, and the oil volume is relatively large so it doesn't heat quickly. Lever shocks have small oil capacity, a very short stroke (amplified by the arm) no gas/oil separation, and very limited control. The end result is a shock that looks completely inconsistent on a shock dyno. 

Fortunately our cars are equally unsophisticated in almost every aspect of suspension, steering, and braking. In other words you can't tell how badly they suck (or how much less a modern shock doesn't) because everything around them sucks. 

Bottom line to your question, tube shocks out perform them in every way except that you don't already have them on your car. 

There is a reason why you can get around a typical race track faster in a modern grocery getter than in a vintage production racer. That reason is EVERYTHING. 

> On Jun 22, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Barr, Scott wrote:
> 
>> I mean, aside from that.  Doesn't everything leak?  :-)
>> 
>> Do tube shocks out-perform lever shocks in some other way?


From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Jun 22 19:44:43 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:44:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
Message-ID: <20100622214443.LVVCE.867620.imail@fed1rmwml41>

Actually you can add oil to a tube shock or even change the oil to a heavier grade.  You drill at the top of the cylinder a small hole and tap it for a 10/32 thread (or larger), drain the oil, or add oil, slowly I'll admit, then insert a 10/32 threaded bolt (or whatever size you drilled and taped) with locktite and it is over.  I have done it many times. It is easier if you drill two holes so that when replenishing the oil the air has a way to escape and thus hasten the filling process. It is wise not to go crazy with the hole size as you have very little metal to tap. No, I have never tried welding up the hole.
---- Stutzman <stutzmans at comcast.net> wrote: 

=============
One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  Its OK if they leak a bit 
because you can add fluid.  Can't do that with tube shocks.
Bruce
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion


> Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one that
> leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess I'll
> hold off on that now.
>
> Tim
> 1961 TR4 #317
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:50 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
> I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple Hydraulics
> and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my 1957.
> Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net



--
Never be beaten by equipment


From billb at bnj.com  Tue Jun 22 20:24:00 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:24:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <20100622214443.LVVCE.867620.imail@fed1rmwml41>
References: <20100622214443.LVVCE.867620.imail@fed1rmwml41>
Message-ID: <C88BAC87-E473-467A-B186-464F08A9CF19@bnj.com>

A lot of tube shocks are rebuildable and refillable.
On Jun 22, 2010, at 6:44 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:

> Actually you can add oil to a tube shock or even change the oil to a heavier
grade.  You drill at the top of the cylinder a small hole and tap it for a
10/32 thread (or larger), drain the oil, or add oil, slowly I'll admit, then
insert a 10/32 threaded bolt (or whatever size you drilled and taped) with
locktite and it is over.  I have done it many times. It is easier if you drill
two holes so that when replenishing the oil the air has a way to escape and
thus hasten the filling process. It is wise not to go crazy with the hole size
as you have very little metal to tap. No, I have never tried welding up the
hole.
> ---- Stutzman <stutzmans at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> =============
> One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  Its OK if they leak a bit
> because you can add fluid.  Can't do that with tube shocks.
> Bruce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
> To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
>
>> Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one that
>> leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess I'll
>> hold off on that now.
>>
>> Tim
>> 1961 TR4 #317
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:50 PM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>>
>> I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple Hydraulics
>> and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my 1957.
>> Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>> Unsubscribe:
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>> Unsubscribe:
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net
>
>
>
> --
> Never be beaten by equipment
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com


From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Tue Jun 22 20:34:30 2010
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 22:34:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Shocks going bad at the wrong time
Message-ID: <8FBE0408FD914193BD16DEE79BD463BE@Bucktailus>

How would you like pulling up to  the starting grid knowing that your right
rear shock is completely dead? That happened to me at the last race I ran in
Germany in the summer of 1956.  I drove to the track and felt the something
was wrong. Did the old fender pushing trick and found the I had NO resistance
at all, either down or rebound on the right rear.  What to do but to go
racing. Airport circuit with drainage ditches filled partial with sand.  Great
sport, but you just drive over adversities. Did OK, I won the race against a
V8 Fiat. Boy, was he mad.
Bob Johns


From billb at bnj.com  Tue Jun 22 21:26:14 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:26:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Shocks going bad at the wrong time
In-Reply-To: <8FBE0408FD914193BD16DEE79BD463BE@Bucktailus>
References: <8FBE0408FD914193BD16DEE79BD463BE@Bucktailus>
Message-ID: <18A6764D-A4A8-41F0-A96E-FBA4606B9178@bnj.com>

At Watkins Glen I broke off both very expensive Penske tube shocks that we had
just mounted on the rear of Peyote. The mounts weren't quite right, they bound
and broke off at full violent bump. finished the race without shocks and did
OK. Went back to Armstrongs. We should probably revisit that, but it gets
around OK on what it's got.

On Jun 22, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Robert Johns wrote:

> How would you like pulling up to  the starting grid knowing that your right
> rear shock is completely dead?


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 23 00:51:54 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 08:51:54 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Eifelrace 300 km
In-Reply-To: <A93258EFB0444587B3758F8538145E8C@latitudefb1e41>
References: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com><AANLkTinsgWup24y3KLr9gKSX2ONz3DitEcXbuM-b68Dh@mail.gmail.com><008901cb1168$beeaf010$3cc0d030$@com><687328.67400.qm@web46112.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<001401cb11d8$7b24ab80$716e0280$@com>
	<A93258EFB0444587B3758F8538145E8C@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <002001cb12a0$9285a310$b790e930$@com>

Carb #1 catched dirt.

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Bob Kramer [mailto:rkramer3 at austin.rr.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Juni 2010 19:03
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Eifelrace 300 km


Fuel problem?


Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch
excellence.
Vince Lombardi
----- Original Message -----
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 1:59 AM
Subject: [Fot] Eifelrace 300 km


> And the first part of the race
>
>
>
> http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5485437581349389506
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 23 01:02:17 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 09:02:17 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Shock Fluid / Lever Shocks
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1006221718100.17577@isis.mit.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1006221718100.17577@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <002601cb12a2$068061f0$138125d0$@com>

I use mixtures of EP680 and EP 320 oil.
I go softer on bumpy tracks and stiffer on smooth ones.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Robert M. Lang
Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Juni 2010 23:21
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Shock Fluid / Lever Shocks

Hi,

Does anyone in this group use the various shock fluid available from
RedLine in thier lever shoX? If so, which weight(s).

Just curious. I have a pint or two sitting on the shelf and I'm thinking
of draining and refilling the shocks in the race car for a test.

regards,
rml
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Lang              Triumph TR6!!            |  This space for rent
2010 NER Solo Chair                            |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com


From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jun 23 08:59:58 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 09:59:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <4C22216E.8070706@pobox.com>

Is CVAR the only vintage racing organization that requires lever shocks 
for authenticity?

I've had a TR250 since new and in all that time, I've had to replace one 
leaking shock.  Am I just lucky?
Larry


From ikorey at comcast.net  Wed Jun 23 09:50:34 2010
From: ikorey at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 10:50:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <4C22216E.8070706@pobox.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4C22216E.8070706@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilBPA9wc05bhO1hBTpySzZT91nzQe5b4NEaEyiF@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:

> Is CVAR the only vintage racing organization that requires lever shocks for
> authenticity?
>

No. However, TR4's were allowed rear tube shock conversions in one of the
early SCCA GCR's (1961?), so with that in hand, I never had an issue when I
presented my TR4 with tube shock conversion for tech inspections (thanks to
Bill Dentinger for mentoring me on that).

I've had a TR250 since new and in all that time, I've had to replace one
> leaking shock.  Am I just lucky?
>

I don't think so. I never had to replace any in my TR6, also purchased new,
for leaking.

Irv Korey


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Jun 23 11:20:26 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 12:20:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilBPA9wc05bhO1hBTpySzZT91nzQe5b4NEaEyiF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4C22216E.8070706@pobox.com>
	<AANLkTilBPA9wc05bhO1hBTpySzZT91nzQe5b4NEaEyiF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0877756D50@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

If you built your car to that GCR "year' and could prove it, CVAR would allow
it without points deduction. You just can't mix and match different allowable
specs from various GCR years to cherry pick what you want. CVAR allows SCCA
prepared cars up to 1972 GCR, with that year as the default if you don't have
the appropriate year GCR..

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
We are as happy as we make up our minds to be.
  ~ Abraham Lincoln


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Irv Korey
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:51 AM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:

> Is CVAR the only vintage racing organization that requires lever shocks for
> authenticity?
>

No. However, TR4's were allowed rear tube shock conversions in one of the
early SCCA GCR's (1961?), so with that in hand, I never had an issue when I
presented my TR4 with tube shock conversion for tech inspections (thanks to
Bill Dentinger for mentoring me on that).

I've had a TR250 since new and in all that time, I've had to replace one
> leaking shock.  Am I just lucky?
>

I don't think so. I never had to replace any in my TR6, also purchased new,
for leaking.

Irv Korey
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com


From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jun 23 12:10:20 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 13:10:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0877756D50@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4C22216E.8070706@pobox.com>
	<AANLkTilBPA9wc05bhO1hBTpySzZT91nzQe5b4NEaEyiF@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0877756D50@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <4C224E0C.1060100@pobox.com>

I tried not to learn too much about the rules, so I wouldn't knowingly 
cheat.  I believe CVAR group 4 is supposed to follow the 1961 GCR (if I 
remember correctly).  Apparently, tube shocks would be ok for a TR4, but 
not for a TR3.
Larry

Kramer, Robert wrote:
> If you built your car to that GCR "year' and could prove it, CVAR would allow it without points deduction. You just can't mix and match different allowable specs from various GCR years to cherry pick what you want. CVAR allows SCCA prepared cars up to 1972 GCR, with that year as the default if you don't have the appropriate year GCR..
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sales Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35
> Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-272-4141 Office
> 512-657-8526 Cell
> We are as happy as we make up our minds to be. 
>   ~ Abraham Lincoln  


From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jun 23 14:13:23 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 13:13:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0877756D50@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <20100623161323.1SQG9.875450.imail@fed1rmwml30>

I was racing in SCCA all during the 60's and early 70's and never saw a GCR that allowed tube shocks on the TR-3,4,250 0r TR 6. BUT, there should have been as I tried to homologate them and they refused. I did all the homologation from 1963 thru 1972 for Triumph and the tube shocks were never on the allowed list nor in the FREE parts sections..
---- "Kramer wrote: 

=============
If you built your car to that GCR "year' and could prove it, CVAR would allow
it without points deduction. You just can't mix and match different allowable
specs from various GCR years to cherry pick what you want. CVAR allows SCCA
prepared cars up to 1972 GCR, with that year as the default if you don't have
the appropriate year GCR..

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
We are as happy as we make up our minds to be.
  ~ Abraham Lincoln


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Irv Korey
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:51 AM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:

> Is CVAR the only vintage racing organization that requires lever shocks for
> authenticity?
>

No. However, TR4's were allowed rear tube shock conversions in one of the
early SCCA GCR's (1961?), so with that in hand, I never had an issue when I
presented my TR4 with tube shock conversion for tech inspections (thanks to
Bill Dentinger for mentoring me on that).

I've had a TR250 since new and in all that time, I've had to replace one
> leaking shock.  Am I just lucky?
>

I don't think so. I never had to replace any in my TR6, also purchased new,
for leaking.

Irv Korey
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net



--
Never be beaten by equipment


From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jun 23 14:21:35 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 13:21:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <4C224E0C.1060100@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <20100623162135.NSF1A.875554.imail@fed1rmwml30>

There was a big shakeup in the SCCA when they merged with the California Sports Car Club and the Cal Clubs production car regulations. I was in charge of that portion of the merger for the Cal Club. That is when the SCCA went to performance classes instead of displacement classes.   Things changed a bunch, so you might check those dates pretty carefully. Before the Cal Club rules it was a factory option list that was allowed, but after it was a on a direct annual homologation paper listing all the pieces for the car and not necessarily an option list. Only those options okayed by the competition committee were allowed.
---- Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote: 

=============
I tried not to learn too much about the rules, so I wouldn't knowingly 
cheat.  I believe CVAR group 4 is supposed to follow the 1961 GCR (if I 
remember correctly).  Apparently, tube shocks would be ok for a TR4, but 
not for a TR3.
Larry

Kramer, Robert wrote:
> If you built your car to that GCR "year' and could prove it, CVAR would allow it without points deduction. You just can't mix and match different allowable specs from various GCR years to cherry pick what you want. CVAR allows SCCA prepared cars up to 1972 GCR, with that year as the default if you don't have the appropriate year GCR..
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sales Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35
> Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-272-4141 Office
> 512-657-8526 Cell
> We are as happy as we make up our minds to be. 
>   ~ Abraham Lincoln  
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net



--
Never be beaten by equipment


From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 23 17:53:34 2010
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 23:53:34 +0000
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.4.1638251560.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

Hi Tony and Mike-

I have the same problem. Unfortunately, the current float bowl tops and 3 screw configuration doesn't give me this option.  All I can do is turn them 180 degrees. No space for fuel line if I place the pivot front or rear.   

Are there options or different tops for the bowls that can help solve this problem that folks are aware of?

Coming out of left handers right now floods badly and allows others to make some great passes!

Thx in advance for the help

Ty


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 00:18:19 
To: Mike Mehl<mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; Triumph Friends of<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4

Mike, the tops of the float bowls need to be oriented so that the 
pivot for the float is at the front or the rear, not to either side.

- Tony Drews

At 11:34 PM 6/19/2010, Mike Mehl wrote:
>I finally have my head issues sorted out and ready to run in Seattle July 4
>weekend.  The car seems to hesitate when I turn the car a sharp left.  Any
>thoughts would be great.
>
>Mike
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com


From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Jun 23 19:04:46 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:04:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>
	<20100624001004.09101187950@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <CA4EC15F71A2459AB225DA529E5475E1@Bud>

Hi tyler...with your carbs on the right side of the engine, a right hand 
turn wil 'starve' your carbs..not flood them...you will probably have enough 
fuel in the float bowl when you go into the turn to get you through it..then 
you're out of gas at the exit..
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
To: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>; <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>; 
"MikeMehl" <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4


> Hi Tony and Mike-
>
> I have the same problem. Unfortunately, the current float bowl tops and 3 
> screw configuration doesn't give me this option.  All I can do is turn 
> them 180 degrees. No space for fuel line if I place the pivot front or 
> rear.
>
> Are there options or different tops for the bowls that can help solve this 
> problem that folks are aware of?
>
> Coming out of left handers right now floods badly and allows others to 
> make some great passes!
>
> Thx in advance for the help
>
> Ty
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 00:18:19
> To: Mike Mehl<mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; Triumph Friends of<fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
>
> Mike, the tops of the float bowls need to be oriented so that the
> pivot for the float is at the front or the rear, not to either side.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 11:34 PM 6/19/2010, Mike Mehl wrote:
>>I finally have my head issues sorted out and ready to run in Seattle July 
>>4
>>weekend.  The car seems to hesitate when I turn the car a sharp left.  Any
>>thoughts would be great.
>>
>>Mike
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net


From GRMTim at aol.com  Wed Jun 23 20:20:20 2010
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 22:20:20 EDT
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Mid Ohio
Message-ID: <3a3dc.2a3c4a68.39541ae4@aol.com>

We will be running the TR3 and we have some sixty entrants in our Classic 
Motorsports Small-bore Cup race.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jun 24 00:23:09 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 01:23:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20100624062226.861B518763E@autox.team.net>

With the 3 screws, there are 3 theoretical orientations of the float 
bowl tops.  Normally with the pivot at 90 to the centerline of the 
car, you will have the fuel line coming out to the right or to the 
left - I forget how the overflow line orientation goes.

You can mostly see it in this picture of Jack's car:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Done08engineR.jpg

My recollection is that the pivot is at the front on the front carb 
and at the rear on the rear carb.

Do whatever you have to do to the fuel line routing to get this 
orientation, it's very important.  We could reliably cause a major 
stumble in either right or left hand corners with any other float 
bowl top orientation.

You can swap the tops between carbs if that helps.

- Tony

At 06:53 PM 6/23/2010, tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:
>Hi Tony and Mike-
>
>I have the same problem. Unfortunately, the current float bowl tops 
>and 3 screw configuration doesn't give me this option.  All I can do 
>is turn them 180 degrees. No space for fuel line if I place the 
>pivot front or rear.
>
>Are there options or different tops for the bowls that can help 
>solve this problem that folks are aware of?
>
>Coming out of left handers right now floods badly and allows others 
>to make some great passes!
>
>Thx in advance for the help
>
>Ty
>
>
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
>Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
>Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 00:18:19
>To: Mike Mehl<mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; Triumph Friends of<fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
>
>Mike, the tops of the float bowls need to be oriented so that the
>pivot for the float is at the front or the rear, not to either side.
>
>- Tony Drews
>
>At 11:34 PM 6/19/2010, Mike Mehl wrote:
> >I finally have my head issues sorted out and ready to run in Seattle July 4
> >weekend.  The car seems to hesitate when I turn the car a sharp left.  Any
> >thoughts would be great.
> >
> >Mike
>_______________________________________________
>fot at autox.team.net
>
>http://www.fot-racing.com
>
>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>Unsubscribe: 
>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Thu Jun 24 02:09:52 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:09:52 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Universal Joint Tool
Message-ID: <FAB0A594-46BF-4499-A9B8-745DCA1B8E6E@comcast.net>

Any recommendations for a good quality universal joint disassembly  
tool?  I'm tired of struggling with a vice, hammer and other odd bits.


From gaf3 at charter.net  Thu Jun 24 07:18:36 2010
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:18:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Universal Joint Tool
In-Reply-To: <FAB0A594-46BF-4499-A9B8-745DCA1B8E6E@comcast.net>
References: <FAB0A594-46BF-4499-A9B8-745DCA1B8E6E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4C235B2C.2020106@charter.net>

OTC Ball Joint Press
It's shaped like a C clamp and is used for u-joint removal without using 
the adapters.
It is about $100 and comes with a series of adapters and carrying case 
for pushing our pressed in ball joints.
Been using one for ~20years and it works great.
Glenn


Scott Janzen wrote:
> Any recommendations for a good quality universal joint disassembly  
> tool?  I'm tired of struggling with a vice, hammer and other odd bits.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net


From cartravel at pobox.com  Thu Jun 24 09:05:20 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:05:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <20100624062226.861B518763E@autox.team.net>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>
	<20100624062226.861B518763E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4C237430.1030504@pobox.com>

Tony,
If I remember correctly, I had to make another inlet by drilling another 
hole and inserting a tube using JB Weld.  The original tubes had to be 
capped.  I remember going all over town trying to find caps of the 
proper size.  I ended up with this goofy cap arrangement, but it works.  
Here are a couple of photos for those emailed directly. Everyone 
discovers this problem.  Sounds like a good item for TonyDrews.com
Larry

Tony Drews wrote:
> With the 3 screws, there are 3 theoretical orientations of the float 
> bowl tops.  Normally with the pivot at 90 to the centerline of the 
> car, you will have the fuel line coming out to the right or to the 
> left - I forget how the overflow line orientation goes.
>
> You can mostly see it in this picture of Jack's car:
> http://www.tonydrews.com/Done08engineR.jpg
>
> My recollection is that the pivot is at the front on the front carb 
> and at the rear on the rear carb.
>
> Do whatever you have to do to the fuel line routing to get this 
> orientation, it's very important.  We could reliably cause a major 
> stumble in either right or left hand corners with any other float bowl 
> top orientation.
>
> You can swap the tops between carbs if that helps.
>
> - Tony

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of HS6Carb03.JPG]

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of HS6Carb02.JPG]


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Jun 24 10:02:24 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:02:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Universal Joint Tool
In-Reply-To: <4C235B2C.2020106@charter.net>
References: <FAB0A594-46BF-4499-A9B8-745DCA1B8E6E@comcast.net>
	<4C235B2C.2020106@charter.net>
Message-ID: <02ba01cb13b6$a3307a70$e9916f50$@rr.com>

> OTC Ball Joint Press
> It's shaped like a C clamp and is used for u-joint removal without
> using
> the adapters.

FWIW, here's a link to the OTC tool
http://www.otctools.com/products/u-joint_removing-installing_tool

And here's a link to the cheap HF clone
http://tinyurl.com/2fbm6cg
(currently on sale for $40)

Personally, I think I'll go on using the shop press (which cost me about the
same as the OTC tool, and comes in handy for lots of other things <G>)

-- Randall 


From ikorey at comcast.net  Thu Jun 24 10:19:08 2010
From: ikorey at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:19:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <20100624000955.A2F39187960@autox.team.net>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>
	<20100624000955.A2F39187960@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimIJx4y7acIwDt3NWssOlZZ_ZKzODCCpydaw_3H@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Tony and Mike-
>
> I have the same problem. Unfortunately, the current float bowl tops and 3
> screw configuration doesn't give me this option.  All I can do is turn them
> 180 degrees. No space for fuel line if I place the pivot front or rear.
>
> Are there options or different tops for the bowls that can help solve this
> problem that folks are aware of?
>

It took me a while to remember this, as I did this so many years ago, but I
bought alternate HS6 float bowl covers from Joe Curto. From another,
non-TRiumph car, these covers had 2 tubes each, one for the fuel inlet, and
the other for the vent (replacing the hole and sheet metal cover vent
arrangement that were on my HS6's). Once aligned as Tony and others have
described, I had no more stumble out of the corners. An additional benefit
was that having a tube on the vents made it easy for me to run vent hoses
down and away from the engine bay.

http://www.joecurto.com/

NFI.

Irv Korey


From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 24 10:30:59 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:30:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Bring a Trailer daily mail TRIUMPH ITALIA FOR SALE
Message-ID: <60362DC3CF8941BBA8FF31A4002CAA72@Bud>

Bring a Trailer



            BaT Exclusive: 1960 Triumph Italia 2000 Project
            The Triumph Italia 2000 was deigned by Michelotti and built by
Vignale in Italy on a TR3 rolling chassis. The similarities to the later TR4
are unmistakable, and many consider this model to have been Michelotti's
design prototype for that model. About 329 examples were produced between 1959
and 1962. This car (Serial No. TS62649) has been stored since 1966. It runs
but needs substantial restoration, and is complete aside from bumpers, one
dash gauge, and the inside passenger door handle. Find it available in
Northwest Connecticut for $15k or best higher offer. Contact us at
mail at bringatrailer.com if you are interested.





            Continue reading at Bring a Trailer ;



            The Lovely Brute: 1968 McLaren M6B
            This 1968 McLaren M6B #50-07 is from the early Can-Am years before
the cars became more winged and radical. It's lines are perfect, and it has
been totally restored to new condition and not yet raced. Historical photos
and logbook are included showing the car's history at Road America, Mont
Tremblant, Bridgehampton, and Watkins Glen among other venues. Find it here on
eBay in Sumner, Washington. Special thanks to BaT reader Brian B. for this
submission!





            Continue reading at Bring a Trailer ;



            Non-Russian: 1957 Tatra 805 Radio Command
            This 1957 Tatra 805 Radio Command Unit is a one of very few 805's
in North America and is very original. This model is the Czech answer to the
UNIMOG, and features portal axles and locking differentials. Don't expect to
get anywhere quickly with the 60hp air-cooled engine, but not much will stand
in your way. Find it here on Kijiji in Ontario, Canada for $5000 (CDN?).
Special thanks to BaT reader Val T. for this submission!





            Continue reading at Bring a Trailer ;







            This message was intended for budscars at comcast.net. To
unsubscribe, click here.

            Copyright 2010 Bring a Trailer, LLC


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Jun 24 15:29:32 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 14:29:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net>
Message-ID: <005701cb13e4$56558eb0$0300ac10$@rr.com>

> The lever shock can
> "foam" the fluid so the damping effect is lost since the shock fluid is
> now foam rather than pure fluid.

Seems to me that it would be pretty trivial to fix that, if it is really a
problem.  The solution is the same as implemented in (some) tube shocks; add
a divider between the fluid and the expansion (air) space, so there is no
way for the fluid to get mixed with air (aka foam).

For lever shocks, I'm thinking of an external canister with a bladder in it,
somewhat similar to an Accusump (but much smaller of course).  Tap the top
cover of the lever shock for a fitting, run a line to the canister mounted
on a frame rail.  Since relatively little pressure is involved (just
whatever is generated as the shock heats up and forces oil into the
canister), the plumbing should be easy.  Hardest part is probably filling
and bleeding the air out of the hydraulic side.

Even some tube shocks use this setup:
http://www.shockabsorbersworld.com/shocks-reservoirs.html

-- Randall 


From billb at bnj.com  Thu Jun 24 16:21:56 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:21:56 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <005701cb13e4$56558eb0$0300ac10$@rr.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net> <005701cb13e4$56558eb0$0300ac10$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <E4116A85-91E2-4C95-8452-142993F71CD3@bnj.com>

It almost certainly will solve that problem, which leaves all the rest. I
think the biggest problem is structural--the damping has to happen over a very
short stroke. The lever greatly amplifies the distance to give adequate
travel, but that means the damping has to be much stronger to give a similar
damping force, and occurs over a small stroke. I think the stroke is important
because of the time required for the valving to respond and how fast the fluid
has to move.

That's all just theory, the bottom line is that when you put an armstrong on a
shock dyno it looks horrible. A classic shock damping profile looks like a D
laying on it's back. An armstrong profile looks more like a seismograph during
an earthquake. I know Tony Garmey and Jeff Quick fiddled with armstrongs on
Tony's shock dyno. I don't know if they ever got any improvement. I didn't see
their work, I put all of mine on a shock dyno here in Portland, hoping to
match them up and play with the valving. The guy who ran their dyno thought
they were broken. They weren't.

On Jun 24, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Randall wrote:

>> The lever shock can
>> "foam" the fluid so the damping effect is lost since the shock fluid is
>> now foam rather than pure fluid.
>
> Seems to me that it would be pretty trivial to fix that, if it is really a
> problem.  The solution is the same as implemented in (some) tube shocks;
add
> a divider between the fluid and the expansion (air) space, so there is no
> way for the fluid to get mixed with air (aka foam).
>
> For lever shocks, I'm thinking of an external canister with a bladder in
it,
> somewhat similar to an Accusump (but much smaller of course).  Tap the top
> cover of the lever shock for a fitting, run a line to the canister mounted
> on a frame rail.  Since relatively little pressure is involved (just
> whatever is generated as the shock heats up and forces oil into the
> canister), the plumbing should be easy.  Hardest part is probably filling
> and bleeding the air out of the hydraulic side.
>
> Even some tube shocks use this setup:
> http://www.shockabsorbersworld.com/shocks-reservoirs.html
>
> -- Randall
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com


From adams910 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 24 17:08:59 2010
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:08:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <E4116A85-91E2-4C95-8452-142993F71CD3@bnj.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net> <005701cb13e4$56558eb0$0300ac10$@rr.com>
	<E4116A85-91E2-4C95-8452-142993F71CD3@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimdatmHBtKuw_8-D--GtejDQCtNmrcWCpHz0Dwd@mail.gmail.com>

Be careful with using reservoirs with lever shocks. Most, if not all vintage
organizations, and some of the SCCA classes explicitly forbid remote
reservoir shocks. They make no discretion as whether it applies to lever or
tube shocks.


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Jun 24 17:44:45 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 16:44:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimdatmHBtKuw_8-D--GtejDQCtNmrcWCpHz0Dwd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net> <005701cb13e4$56558eb0$0300ac10$@rr.com>
	<E4116A85-91E2-4C95-8452-142993F71CD3@bnj.com>
	<AANLkTimdatmHBtKuw_8-D--GtejDQCtNmrcWCpHz0Dwd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007001cb13f7$3a48cad0$aeda6070$@rr.com>

> Most, if not all
> vintage
> organizations, and some of the SCCA classes explicitly forbid remote
> reservoir shocks.

Good point, I didn't know that. 

Making the bladder integral with the top cover would be a little trickier
... but only a little.

-- Randall 


From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 24 17:52:18 2010
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 23:52:18 +0000
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimIJx4y7acIwDt3NWssOlZZ_ZKzODCCpydaw_3H@mail.gmail.com>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net><20100624000955.A2F39187960@autox.team.net><AANLkTimIJx4y7acIwDt3NWssOlZZ_ZKzODCCpydaw_3H@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.5.1638251560.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

Joe Curto is going to see if he has other tops to address this issue. 

If not, he indicated he has seen some racers remove the ears on the tops and use large washers to hold the tops down.  
Ty
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Irv Korey <ikorey at comcast.net>
Sender: emanteno at gmail.com
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:19:08 
To: <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
Cc: Tony Drews<tony at tonydrews.com>; <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>; Mike Mehl<mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; Triumph Friends of<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Tony and Mike-
>
> I have the same problem. Unfortunately, the current float bowl tops and 3
> screw configuration doesn't give me this option.  All I can do is turn them
> 180 degrees. No space for fuel line if I place the pivot front or rear.
>
> Are there options or different tops for the bowls that can help solve this
> problem that folks are aware of?
>

It took me a while to remember this, as I did this so many years ago, but I
bought alternate HS6 float bowl covers from Joe Curto. From another,
non-TRiumph car, these covers had 2 tubes each, one for the fuel inlet, and
the other for the vent (replacing the hole and sheet metal cover vent
arrangement that were on my HS6's). Once aligned as Tony and others have
described, I had no more stumble out of the corners. An additional benefit
was that having a tube on the vents made it easy for me to run vent hoses
down and away from the engine bay.

http://www.joecurto.com/

NFI.

Irv Korey


From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 24 17:55:03 2010
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 23:55:03 +0000
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimIJx4y7acIwDt3NWssOlZZ_ZKzODCCpydaw_3H@mail.gmail.com>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net><20100624000955.A2F39187960@autox.team.net><AANLkTimIJx4y7acIwDt3NWssOlZZ_ZKzODCCpydaw_3H@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.6.1638251560.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

Joe Curto is going to see if he has other tops to address this issue. 

If not, he indicated he has seen some racers remove the ears on the tops and use large washers to hold the tops down.  
Ty
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Irv Korey <ikorey at comcast.net>
Sender: emanteno at gmail.com
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:19:08 
To: <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
Cc: Tony Drews<tony at tonydrews.com>; <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>; Mike Mehl<mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; Triumph Friends of<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Tony and Mike-
>
> I have the same problem. Unfortunately, the current float bowl tops and 3
> screw configuration doesn't give me this option.  All I can do is turn them
> 180 degrees. No space for fuel line if I place the pivot front or rear.
>
> Are there options or different tops for the bowls that can help solve this
> problem that folks are aware of?
>

It took me a while to remember this, as I did this so many years ago, but I
bought alternate HS6 float bowl covers from Joe Curto. From another,
non-TRiumph car, these covers had 2 tubes each, one for the fuel inlet, and
the other for the vent (replacing the hole and sheet metal cover vent
arrangement that were on my HS6's). Once aligned as Tony and others have
described, I had no more stumble out of the corners. An additional benefit
was that having a tube on the vents made it easy for me to run vent hoses
down and away from the engine bay.

http://www.joecurto.com/

NFI.

Irv Korey


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Jun 24 19:22:40 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 20:22:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net><20100624000955.A2F39187960@autox.team.net><AANLkTimIJx4y7acIwDt3NWssOlZZ_ZKzODCCpydaw_3H@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100625002721.945C5187684@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <B18DAD5C34524477A4879C877FD463E4@latitudefb1e41>

I think the Volvo HS6 top work. I've bought a bunch of these over the years 
and converted them to TR4 spec. TR4 HS6's are expensive but you can buy a 
pair of Volvo's for $50 sometimes.


Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
excellence.
Vince Lombardi
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
To: "Irv Korey" <ikorey at comcast.net>; <emanteno at gmail.com>
Cc: <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>; "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4


> Joe Curto is going to see if he has other tops to address this issue.
>
> If not, he indicated he has seen some racers remove the ears on the tops 
> and use large washers to hold the tops down.
> Ty


From horizonracing at msn.com  Thu Jun 24 20:37:56 2010
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:37:56 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <E4116A85-91E2-4C95-8452-142993F71CD3@bnj.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>,
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>,
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>,
	<4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net>
	<005701cb13e4$56558eb0$0300ac10$@rr.com>,
	<E4116A85-91E2-4C95-8452-142993F71CD3@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <SNT141-w232EF25B7F1FC35CAE0CB2B2C70@phx.gbl>

To Answer Bills Question, I do get improvement out of Lever Shocks. The
Biggest thing in using the Dyno is making sure that one matches the
other...and also in some cases moving the arms on the pivot shaft because the
car has been lowered so that the  pistons do not

bottom out.



Who's racing at the KIC ?? I'll be racing there in  something other than a TR
(sorry !)



> From: billb at bnj.com
> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:21:56 -0700
> To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
> It almost certainly will solve that problem, which leaves all the rest. I
> think the biggest problem is structural--the damping has to happen over a
very
> short stroke. The lever greatly amplifies the distance to give adequate
> travel, but that means the damping has to be much stronger to give a
similar
> damping force, and occurs over a small stroke. I think the stroke is
important
> because of the time required for the valving to respond and how fast the
fluid
> has to move.
>
> That's all just theory, the bottom line is that when you put an armstrong on
a
> shock dyno it looks horrible. A classic shock damping profile looks like a
D
> laying on it's back. An armstrong profile looks more like a seismograph
during
> an earthquake. I know Tony Garmey and Jeff Quick fiddled with armstrongs on
> Tony's shock dyno. I don't know if they ever got any improvement. I didn't
see
> their work, I put all of mine on a shock dyno here in Portland, hoping to
> match them up and play with the valving. The guy who ran their dyno thought
> they were broken. They weren't.
>
> On Jun 24, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Randall wrote:
>
> >> The lever shock can
> >> "foam" the fluid so the damping effect is lost since the shock fluid is
> >> now foam rather than pure fluid.
> >
> > Seems to me that it would be pretty trivial to fix that, if it is really
a
> > problem. The solution is the same as implemented in (some) tube shocks;
> add
> > a divider between the fluid and the expansion (air) space, so there is no
> > way for the fluid to get mixed with air (aka foam).
> >
> > For lever shocks, I'm thinking of an external canister with a bladder in
> it,
> > somewhat similar to an Accusump (but much smaller of course). Tap the top
> > cover of the lever shock for a fitting, run a line to the canister
mounted
> > on a frame rail. Since relatively little pressure is involved (just
> > whatever is generated as the shock heats up and forces oil into the
> > canister), the plumbing should be easy. Hardest part is probably filling
> > and bleeding the air out of the hydraulic side.
> >
> > Even some tube shocks use this setup:
> > http://www.shockabsorbersworld.com/shocks-reservoirs.html
> >
> > -- Randall
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
> > http://www.fot-racing.com
> >
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com


From billb at bnj.com  Thu Jun 24 21:16:21 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 20:16:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <SNT141-w232EF25B7F1FC35CAE0CB2B2C70@phx.gbl>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>,
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>,
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>,
	<4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net>
	<005701cb13e4$56558eb0$0300ac10$@rr.com>,
	<E4116A85-91E2-4C95-8452-142993F71CD3@bnj.com>
	<SNT141-w232EF25B7F1FC35CAE0CB2B2C70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F59E63A2-07F4-4423-9F21-BEB32E48D56B@bnj.com>

What's a KIC?

On Jun 24, 2010, at 7:37 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote:

> To Answer Bills Question, I do get improvement out of Lever Shocks. The
Biggest thing in using the Dyno is making sure that one matches the
other...and also in some cases moving the arms on the pivot shaft because the
car has been lowered so that the  pistons do not
> bottom out.
>
> Who's racing at the KIC ?? I'll be racing there in  something other than a
TR (sorry !)
>
>
> > From: billb at bnj.com
> > Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:21:56 -0700
> > To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com
> > CC: fot at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
> >
> > It almost certainly will solve that problem, which leaves all the rest. I
> > think the biggest problem is structural--the damping has to happen over a
very
> > short stroke. The lever greatly amplifies the distance to give adequate
> > travel, but that means the damping has to be much stronger to give a
similar
> > damping force, and occurs over a small stroke. I think the stroke is
important
> > because of the time required for the valving to respond and how fast the
fluid
> > has to move.
> >
> > That's all just theory, the bottom line is that when you put an armstrong
on a
> > shock dyno it looks horrible. A classic shock damping profile looks like a
D
> > laying on it's back. An armstrong profile looks more like a seismograph
during
> > an earthquake. I know Tony Garmey and Jeff Quick fiddled with armstrongs
on
> > Tony's shock dyno. I don't know if they ever got any improvement. I didn't
see
> > their work, I put all of mine on a shock dyno here in Portland, hoping to
> > match them up and play with the valving. The guy who ran their dyno
thought
> > they were broken. They weren't.
> >
> > On Jun 24, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Randall wrote:
> >
> > >> The lever shock can
> > >> "foam" the fluid so the damping effect is lost since the shock fluid
is
> > >> now foam rather than pure fluid.
> > >
> > > Seems to me that it would be pretty trivial to fix that, if it is really
a
> > > problem. The solution is the same as implemented in (some) tube shocks;
> > add
> > > a divider between the fluid and the expansion (air) space, so there is
no
> > > way for the fluid to get mixed with air (aka foam).
> > >
> > > For lever shocks, I'm thinking of an external canister with a bladder
in
> > it,
> > > somewhat similar to an Accusump (but much smaller of course). Tap the
top
> > > cover of the lever shock for a fitting, run a line to the canister
mounted
> > > on a frame rail. Since relatively little pressure is involved (just
> > > whatever is generated as the shock heats up and forces oil into the
> > > canister), the plumbing should be easy. Hardest part is probably
filling
> > > and bleeding the air out of the hydraulic side.
> > >
> > > Even some tube shocks use this setup:
> > > http://www.shockabsorbersworld.com/shocks-reservoirs.html
> > >
> > > -- Randall
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > fot at autox.team.net
> > >
> > > http://www.fot-racing.com
> > >
> > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
> > http://www.fot-racing.com
> >
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> > Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com


From mpendy at dishmail.net  Thu Jun 24 22:04:16 2010
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 21:04:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net><20100624000955.A2F39187960@autox.team.net><AANLkTimIJx4y7acIwDt3NWssOlZZ_ZKzODCCpydaw_3H@mail.gmail.com><20100625002721.945C5187684@autox.team.net>
	<B18DAD5C34524477A4879C877FD463E4@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <5A5B2DB12B40429680CCD8DC906F63B6@Pendys>

The float bowls that i have , have a center bolt to hold the cap on , this 
allows me to position the float arms any which way. Also prior owners put 
the rear carb bowl to the front of the carb( so both float bowls are to the 
right looking at the throats) for whatever reason . These carbs  also vented 
to the wheelhouse ............Mark P
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Kramer" <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
To: <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Irv Korey" <ikorey at comcast.net>; "Triumph Friends of" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4


>I think the Volvo HS6 top work. I've bought a bunch of these over the years 
>and converted them to TR4 spec. TR4 HS6's are expensive but you can buy a 
>pair of Volvo's for $50 sometimes.
>
>
> Bob Kramer
> Volente, TX
>
> Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
> excellence.
> Vince Lombardi
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
> To: "Irv Korey" <ikorey at comcast.net>; <emanteno at gmail.com>
> Cc: <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>; "Triumph Friends of" 
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
>
>
>> Joe Curto is going to see if he has other tops to address this issue.
>>
>> If not, he indicated he has seen some racers remove the ears on the tops 
>> and use large washers to hold the tops down.
>> Ty
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jun 24 23:35:50 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 00:35:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <5A5B2DB12B40429680CCD8DC906F63B6@Pendys>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>
	<20100624000955.A2F39187960@autox.team.net>
	<AANLkTimIJx4y7acIwDt3NWssOlZZ_ZKzODCCpydaw_3H@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100625002721.945C5187684@autox.team.net>
	<B18DAD5C34524477A4879C877FD463E4@latitudefb1e41>
	<5A5B2DB12B40429680CCD8DC906F63B6@Pendys>
Message-ID: <20100625053503.1747B187658@autox.team.net>

Sounds like the H-6 (long body) rather than the HS-6 (short 
body).  The HS-6 have 3 screws that hold the top of the float bowl on.

We often thought of trying to adapt the H-6 float bowl to the HS-6.

- Tony

At 11:04 PM 6/24/2010, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>The float bowls that i have , have a center bolt to hold the cap on 
>, this allows me to position the float arms any which way. Also 
>prior owners put the rear carb bowl to the front of the carb( so 
>both float bowls are to the right looking at the throats) for 
>whatever reason . These carbs  also vented to the wheelhouse ............Mark P
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
>To: <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
>Cc: "Irv Korey" <ikorey at comcast.net>; "Triumph Friends of" 
><fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:22 PM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
>
>
>>I think the Volvo HS6 top work. I've bought a bunch of these over 
>>the years and converted them to TR4 spec. TR4 HS6's are expensive 
>>but you can buy a pair of Volvo's for $50 sometimes.
>>
>>
>>Bob Kramer
>>Volente, TX
>>
>>Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can 
>>catch excellence.
>>Vince Lombardi
>>----- Original Message ----- From: <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
>>To: "Irv Korey" <ikorey at comcast.net>; <emanteno at gmail.com>
>>Cc: <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>; "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
>>Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:52 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
>>
>>
>>>Joe Curto is going to see if he has other tops to address this issue.
>>>
>>>If not, he indicated he has seen some racers remove the ears on 
>>>the tops and use large washers to hold the tops down.
>>>Ty
>>_______________________________________________
>>fot at autox.team.net
>>
>>http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net
>_______________________________________________
>fot at autox.team.net
>
>http://www.fot-racing.com
>
>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jun 24 23:39:09 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 00:39:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <7.1.0.9.0.20100625002804.059c6a18@tonydrews.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net> <005701cb13e4$56558eb0$0300ac10$@rr.com>
	<E4116A85-91E2-4C95-8452-142993F71CD3@bnj.com>
	<SNT141-w232EF25B7F1FC35CAE0CB2B2C70@phx.gbl>
	<F59E63A2-07F4-4423-9F21-BEB32E48D56B@bnj.com>
	<7.1.0.9.0.20100625002804.059c6a18@tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <20100625053820.50966187658@autox.team.net>

At 12:29 AM 6/25/2010, Tony Drews wrote:
>KIC is the Kohler International Challenge - the old Chicago 
>Historics at Road America in July.  Normally has all the nicest race 
>and street cars at it, and tons of spectators.  A good place to see 
>and be seen, but a place to watch out for the cars on the track and 
>the spectators in the paddock.
>
>- Tony
>
>At 10:16 PM 6/24/2010, Bill Babcock wrote:
>>What's a KIC?


From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri Jun 25 06:49:27 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 08:49:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
Message-ID: <d914.36fa0dd1.3955ffd7@aol.com>

In a message dated 06/24/2010 9:49:10 PM Central Daylight Time, 
horizonracing at msn.com writes:


> Who's racing at the KIC ?? I'll be racing there in  something other than 
> a TR
> (sorry !)
> 

Bob Wismer will be there racing our Tornado Thunder Bolt, and I'll be there 
racing my TR3.

Bill Dentinger


From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri Jun 25 06:52:44 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 08:52:44 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
Message-ID: <dbf7.141d298b.3956009c@aol.com>

In a message dated 06/24/2010 10:36:04 PM Central Daylight Time, 
billb at bnj.com writes:


> What's a KIC?
> 

Kohler International Challenge with Brian Redman Present by FORD (a 
mouthful, huh?).  Formally the BRIC (Brian Redman International Challenge), but 
even earlier it was Joe Marchetti's infamous CHICAGO HISTORIC RACES.

All at Elkhart Lake's ROAD AMERICA.

Bill Dentinger.


From igofaster at att.net  Fri Jun 25 10:01:49 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 09:01:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Universal Joint Tool
In-Reply-To: <FAB0A594-46BF-4499-A9B8-745DCA1B8E6E@comcast.net>
References: <FAB0A594-46BF-4499-A9B8-745DCA1B8E6E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <871532.23908.qm@web180814.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Harbor Freight sells a 12 ton hydraulic shop press (with a stand) that sells
for WELL WORTH THE MONEY... I think it's under a $100.00  Effortless removal
of u-joints and the like....

Bobby Whitehead
To:
'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, June 24, 2010
3:09:52 AM
Subject: [Fot] Universal Joint Tool

Any recommendations for a good
quality universal joint disassembly  
tool?  I'm tired of struggling with a
vice, hammer and other odd bits.
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net


From mpendy at dishmail.net  Fri Jun 25 20:33:04 2010
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 19:33:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Universal Joint Tool
References: <FAB0A594-46BF-4499-A9B8-745DCA1B8E6E@comcast.net>
	<871532.23908.qm@web180814.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DCC9697B841A4B1CB9FDF2310783F15A@Pendys>

I checked with my local Napa store and the two kits from OTC would run me 
270.00.......Harbor Freight sounds pretty good       Mark P
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bobby Whitehead" <igofaster at att.net>
To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
Cc: "FoT Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Universal Joint Tool


> Harbor Freight sells a 12 ton hydraulic shop press (with a stand) that 
> sells
> for WELL WORTH THE MONEY... I think it's under a $100.00  Effortless 
> removal
> of u-joints and the like....
>
> Bobby Whitehead
> To:
> 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, June 24, 2010
> 3:09:52 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Universal Joint Tool
>
> Any recommendations for a good
> quality universal joint disassembly
> tool?  I'm tired of struggling with a
> vice, hammer and other odd bits.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive:
> http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Fri Jun 25 22:48:04 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 00:48:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Ted's Videos
Message-ID: <492289.5657.qm@smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Just saw some video that were posted on Ted's site (caution wedge
content!!).

 

Great stuff Ted

 

http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/racingdays.html

 

Paul


From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com  Sat Jun 26 06:29:14 2010
From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 08:29:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] wheels
In-Reply-To: <005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>
References: <005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>
Message-ID: <4C25F29A.30504@twcny.rr.com>

Actually, the beer in the Philippines is not that bad - could be the 
heat. Similarly, after setting up several manufacturing lines in the 
Philippines I can honestly tell you that Ford, Toyota and many other 
major manufacturers have major operations and are fabricating the parts 
for your cars in the Philippines. They have access to technology and the 
best materials and because of our relationship in WWII they ALL are 
taught very good English in grade school which makes manufacturing down 
there fabulous.

There are many after-market wheels I personally would never put in a 
stressful environment with tiny spokes but the 8 spoke Rota has a nice 
cross section and with that price I would love to put them on my street 
car as I am in a dilemma with my steel wheels right now. Tires are tough 
to get and I learned the rims are not safety rims which means a high 
speed (60mph not high speed for FOT'rs) flats can be dangerous - not to 
mention that they frequently crack and mine were raced for years in the 
60s and lived through my teenage years.

So my question is just what wheels of their line might fit? They have 
15x7 and 15x8 with 4mm and 12mm offsets. Sounds like spacers and 
interference for a TR3 since most aftermarket wheels sold for TR3 stop 
at 5.5". I am intrigued by their 16x7's for a lower profile outlaw look 
- they have the same offsets. Anyone have experience fitting these up to 
a TR3? I just don't want tires sticking out the fenders don't really 
care if my turning radius is hindered.

Best,

Mark


From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 27 13:08:50 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:08:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
Message-ID: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Here is what I have done with some great input from several FOT folks.  I am
narrowing down the problems some what.  
Here is what I have done. As they say
start from a measurable starting point.
	* checked points and timing
	*
re-centered the needles (the front carb was sticking - fixed now)
	* changed
from gross jets to needles supplied from Joe Curto
	* set the floats to 3/16"
* installed vent lines
car runs great in a straight line.  It seems to be
loading up on left hand turns.  I am attaching a photo of the carb set up. 
Based on the many FOT posts on re positioning the floats should i do that
next.  It loaded up so badly the car stopped.   Should i change the float
levels to 1/8".   I am I missing something obvious??  I am trying to sort as
much of this out as I can before I go to Seattle Thursday for the Historics.
 
Thanks for any input.
 
Mike Mehl

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSC_0242.JPG]


From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jun 27 13:24:27 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 13:24:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
In-Reply-To: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C27A56B.2020908@bradakis.com>

The email lists have attachments, like photos, stripped before getting 
mailed out.
One can use http://www.team.net/forums and post photos there, and then tell
folks about it.  Like the picture I just put up this morning regarding a 
topic
on the land-speed list:

http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=57

It has nothing to do with Triumphs, it is just an example of posting
a photo and providing a link to it on the email list.


mjb.


From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sun Jun 27 13:56:40 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:56:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <20100624062226.861B518763E@autox.team.net>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>
	<20100624062226.861B518763E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4C27ACF8.2090201@greenheart.com>

How many of you are running a carb set up like this photo of "Jack's 
car" sent by Tony?
http://www.tonydrews.com/Done08engineR.jpg
--Justin





Tony Drews wrote:

> With the 3 screws, there are 3 theoretical orientations of the float 
> bowl tops.  Normally with the pivot at 90 to the centerline of the 
> car, you will have the fuel line coming out to the right or to the 
> left - I forget how the overflow line orientation goes.
>
> You can mostly see it in this picture of Jack's car:
> http://www.tonydrews.com/Done08engineR.jpg
>
> My recollection is that the pivot is at the front on the front carb 
> and at the rear on the rear carb.
>
> Do whatever you have to do to the fuel line routing to get this 
> orientation, it's very important.  We could reliably cause a major 
> stumble in either right or left hand corners with any other float bowl 
> top orientation.
>
> You can swap the tops between carbs if that helps.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 06:53 PM 6/23/2010, tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Tony and Mike-
>>
>> I have the same problem. Unfortunately, the current float bowl tops 
>> and 3 screw configuration doesn't give me this option.  All I can do 
>> is turn them 180 degrees. No space for fuel line if I place the pivot 
>> front or rear.
>>
>> Are there options or different tops for the bowls that can help solve 
>> this problem that folks are aware of?
>>
>> Coming out of left handers right now floods badly and allows others 
>> to make some great passes!
>>
>> Thx in advance for the help
>>
>> Ty
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
>> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
>> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 00:18:19
>> To: Mike Mehl<mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; Triumph Friends 
>> of<fot at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
>>
>> Mike, the tops of the float bowls need to be oriented so that the
>> pivot for the float is at the front or the rear, not to either side.
>>
>> - Tony Drews
>>
>> At 11:34 PM 6/19/2010, Mike Mehl wrote:
>> >I finally have my head issues sorted out and ready to run in Seattle 
>> July 4
>> >weekend.  The car seems to hesitate when I turn the car a sharp 
>> left.  Any
>> >thoughts would be great.
>> >
>> >Mike
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>> Unsubscribe: 
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner at greenheart.com


From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 27 15:10:17 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 14:10:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
In-Reply-To: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <508788.31609.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I adjusted the floats to 1/8".  Ran the car.  It just dies on a left hand
turn.   It runs great on a right hand turn and a straight line. 
________________________________
From: Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To:
Triumph Friends of <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 12:08:50 PM
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

Here is what I
have done with some great input from several FOT folks.  I am
narrowing down
the problems some what.  
Here is what I have done. As they say
start from a
measurable starting point.
    * checked points and timing
    *
re-centered
the needles (the front carb was sticking - fixed now)
    * changed
from gross
jets to needles supplied from Joe Curto
    * set the floats to 3/16"
*
installed vent lines
car runs great in a straight line.  It seems to be
loading up on left hand turns.  I am attaching a photo of the carb set up.
Based on the many FOT posts on re positioning the floats should i do that
next.  It loaded up so badly the car stopped.  Should i change the float
levels to 1/8".  I am I missing something obvious??  I am trying to sort as
much of this out as I can before I go to Seattle Thursday for the Historics.
Thanks for any input.

Mike Mehl

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type
image/jpeg which had a name of DSC_0242.JPG]
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com


From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 27 17:14:41 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 16:14:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Figured it OUT!!!!!!!!! ya hoo Re: More help needed on HS6
 hesitation 1962 TR4
In-Reply-To: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <969356.44993.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Well - I filled the car up with fuel (just to rule level out) and drove back
down to the school parking lot.  I made the hard left and as soon as it
started to die, I shut off the fuel and ignition and opened the hood.  I
pulled the float covers off and the rear carb float was full (flooded).  So
know I know what the problem is.  It doesn't do it going right.  I am going to
check the float, needle (new and check again).  Could be a bad float or it is
binding on left turns.  Any way I am super jazzed I could figure this out
before Seattle.  

I am getting there.  I must say having never working on or
driving a TR before I start this project I have learned alot.  

Mike Mehl
________________________________
From: Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To:
Triumph Friends of <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 12:08:50 PM
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

Here is what I
have done with some great input from several FOT folks.  I am
narrowing down
the problems some what.  
Here is what I have done. As they say
start from a
measurable starting point.
    * checked points and timing
    *
re-centered
the needles (the front carb was sticking - fixed now)
    * changed
from gross
jets to needles supplied from Joe Curto
    * set the floats to 3/16"
*
installed vent lines
car runs great in a straight line.  It seems to be
loading up on left hand turns.  I am attaching a photo of the carb set up.
Based on the many FOT posts on re positioning the floats should i do that
next.  It loaded up so badly the car stopped.  Should i change the float
levels to 1/8".  I am I missing something obvious??  I am trying to sort as
much of this out as I can before I go to Seattle Thursday for the Historics.
Thanks for any input.

Mike Mehl

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type
image/jpeg which had a name of DSC_0242.JPG]
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com


From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun Jun 27 17:20:23 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:20:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
In-Reply-To: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C27DCB7.7070805@pobox.com>

Mike,
If you don't get the floats oriented properly, you won't solve the 
problem.  Just look at the floats and think about how it is going to 
slosh to one side.  The problem should be obvious.
Larry

Mike Mehl wrote:
> Based on the many FOT posts on re positioning the floats should i do that
> next.  


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jun 27 23:37:44 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:37:44 +0200
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<508788.31609.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <000601cb1684$0a4f3b90$1eedb2b0$@com>

After having a look on your photo I would think the trouble is caused by
your fuel lines.
They are going horizontal towards the carbs beginning by the fender.
The centrifugal forces do have effect on the fuel, so your engine does
starve fuel on a left hander and might flood on a right hander.

To cure this I would put the feeding line to the rear carb, starting from
the battery box area and then do a short connector UNDER the intake trumpets
to the front carb.
Also check the pressure of your fuel pump. Maybe the pressure is too low.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Juni 2010 23:19
An: 'Mike Mehl'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

Can you send a photo of your configuration?

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Mike Mehl
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Juni 2010 23:10
An: Mike Mehl; Triumph Friends of
Betreff: Re: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

I adjusted the floats to 1/8".  Ran the car.  It just dies on a left hand
turn.   It runs great on a right hand turn and a straight line.
________________________________
From: Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To:
Triumph Friends of <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 12:08:50 PM
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

Here is what I
have done with some great input from several FOT folks.  I am
narrowing down
the problems some what.
Here is what I have done. As they say
start from a
measurable starting point.
    * checked points and timing
    *
re-centered
the needles (the front carb was sticking - fixed now)
    * changed
from gross
jets to needles supplied from Joe Curto
    * set the floats to 3/16"
*
installed vent lines
car runs great in a straight line.  It seems to be
loading up on left hand turns.  I am attaching a photo of the carb set up.
Based on the many FOT posts on re positioning the floats should i do that
next.  It loaded up so badly the car stopped.  Should i change the float
levels to 1/8".  I am I missing something obvious??  I am trying to sort as
much of this out as I can before I go to Seattle Thursday for the Historics.
Thanks for any input.

Mike Mehl

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type
image/jpeg which had a name of DSC_0242.JPG]
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jun 27 23:49:05 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:49:05 +0200
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<508788.31609.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>  
Message-ID: <000701cb1685$9fc17bb0$df447310$@com>

Mike,

just for testing:
Losen the fuel lines from the fender, bend them over and fix them on the
other side of the carb on the valve cover and go for a test ride and see if
there is a change.
Would be interesting to see if the carbs might starve on right handers.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 28. Juni 2010 07:38
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

After having a look on your photo I would think the trouble is caused by
your fuel lines.
They are going horizontal towards the carbs beginning by the fender.
The centrifugal forces do have effect on the fuel, so your engine does
starve fuel on a left hander and might flood on a right hander.

To cure this I would put the feeding line to the rear carb, starting from
the battery box area and then do a short connector UNDER the intake trumpets
to the front carb.
Also check the pressure of your fuel pump. Maybe the pressure is too low.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Juni 2010 23:19
An: 'Mike Mehl'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

Can you send a photo of your configuration?

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Mike Mehl
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Juni 2010 23:10
An: Mike Mehl; Triumph Friends of
Betreff: Re: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

I adjusted the floats to 1/8".  Ran the car.  It just dies on a left hand
turn.   It runs great on a right hand turn and a straight line.
________________________________
From: Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To:
Triumph Friends of <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 12:08:50 PM
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

Here is what I
have done with some great input from several FOT folks.  I am
narrowing down
the problems some what.
Here is what I have done. As they say
start from a
measurable starting point.
    * checked points and timing
    *
re-centered
the needles (the front carb was sticking - fixed now)
    * changed
from gross
jets to needles supplied from Joe Curto
    * set the floats to 3/16"
*
installed vent lines
car runs great in a straight line.  It seems to be
loading up on left hand turns.  I am attaching a photo of the carb set up.
Based on the many FOT posts on re positioning the floats should i do that
next.  It loaded up so badly the car stopped.  Should i change the float
levels to 1/8".  I am I missing something obvious??  I am trying to sort as
much of this out as I can before I go to Seattle Thursday for the Historics.
Thanks for any input.

Mike Mehl

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type
image/jpeg which had a name of DSC_0242.JPG]
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com


From jaboruch at netzero.net  Mon Jun 28 11:59:49 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 17:59:49 GMT
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
Message-ID: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com>

I have both my lines coming from a fuel regulator on the inner fender and then
across to each carb, and have never had an issue with starvation or flooding
in corners.  I am running slicks and am cornering at over 1g.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:37:44 +0200

After having a look on your photo I would think the trouble is caused by
your fuel lines.
They are going horizontal towards the carbs beginning by the fender.
The centrifugal forces do have effect on the fuel, so your engine does
starve fuel on a left hander and might flood on a right hander.

To cure this I would put the feeding line to the rear carb, starting from
the battery box area and then do a short connector UNDER the intake trumpets
to the front carb.
Also check the pressure of your fuel pump. Maybe the pressure is too low.

Cheers
Chris


____________________________________________________________
Penny Stock Jumping 2000%
Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today!
http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c28e348a3ad8af4dbst02duc


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Jun 28 12:32:59 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:32:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
In-Reply-To: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com>
References: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0877BA0783@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

A lot of us use this very same set up, paying attention to SU float bowl lid
orientation and we don't suffer fuel starvation. In my current TR4A I use a
Holley regulator split to go to the carburetors and a Fuel Pressure gauge
complete with inline isolator and I've never had a problem.

I had this same type of setup in my previous car, a TR4 but I had to solve a
miss much like what has been described. That car had a welded up tranny mount,
UK sourced racing front engine mounts (hard) and a turnbuckle stay that
limited engine movement. It would show up under full throttle at the exit of
turns. It's been so long that I can't remember if it was right or left turns.
I think that engine vibrations that weren't being damped elsewhere were
foaming up the fuel in the float bowls.

I ended up going back to the rubber tranny mount and I put a 2" o-ring between
the intake manifold and the isolator plates. I used a 2" hole saw to create a
small locating groove. This solved the problem. I now fill the tranny mount
with silicone to help it hold together and do a little dampening.

I also make sure to use OEM style float bowl bolts and I replace the little
rubber bushing without over-tightening. I had one of those bolts break once
and it acted up immediately. Having a float bowl hanging by the fuel line is a
good argument for overflow lines.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
We are as happy as we make up our minds to be.
  ~ Abraham Lincoln



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Joe Boruch
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 1:00 PM
To: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

I have both my lines coming from a fuel regulator on the inner fender and
then
across to each carb, and have never had an issue with starvation or flooding
in corners.  I am running slicks and am cornering at over 1g.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:37:44 +0200

After having a look on your photo I would think the trouble is caused by
your fuel lines.
They are going horizontal towards the carbs beginning by the fender.
The centrifugal forces do have effect on the fuel, so your engine does
starve fuel on a left hander and might flood on a right hander.

To cure this I would put the feeding line to the rear carb, starting from
the battery box area and then do a short connector UNDER the intake trumpets
to the front carb.
Also check the pressure of your fuel pump. Maybe the pressure is too low.

Cheers
Chris


____________________________________________________________
Penny Stock Jumping 2000%
Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today!
http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c28e348a3ad8af4dbst02duc
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com


From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Jun 29 08:44:04 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:44:04 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Original TR4A Tonneau Cover...
Message-ID: <fa8a0.4b8dbdf1.395b60b4@aol.com>

Amici...

During the summer my daily driver is a 1962 TR4.  This morning at the local 
restaurant where I often stop for coffee and to read the paper, a guy was 
quite fascinated with my car.  We got to talking and he said years ago he had 
a new TR4A (IRS).  He said he still has the original tonneau it came with, 
which he described as being in very good condition.  He said he's been 
meaning to put it on eBay, but never gets around to it.  He asked if I was 
interested in it.  I am not.  I already have two for my car, and further, I think 
there may be a distinction between the TR4 and TR4A (IRS) version (at least 
Moss lists different part numbers.  Anyway, they are about $700 new these 
days, and I think he said he wants $150 for it.  

I have NOT seen it, nor do I have any financial interest in this matter.  
If you want to check it out, the guy's name is John Gunney.  He lives in the 
metro-Milwaukee, Wisconsin area, and his telephone number is 262/781-3937.

Bill Dentinger


From brad.kahler at 141.com  Tue Jun 29 11:41:40 2010
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 13:41:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear axle bearing
Message-ID: <AANLkTildse3Hcz0M2zylSTdvBXIvcnJDQtUW8Kr-SLMk@mail.gmail.com>

Amici,

I need to replace one of the rear wheel bearings on my street TR4.
Rather than take the time to order from one of the normal suppliers
I'm wondering if anyone would know what the part number for the
bearing and race might be from say Timken or National? (or any other
brand that I can cross reference locally).

Thanks!

Brad


From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Jun 29 11:55:44 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:55:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear axle bearing
References: <AANLkTildse3Hcz0M2zylSTdvBXIvcnJDQtUW8Kr-SLMk@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65D865EB04E34181A33A4337F155F6E1@Bud>

i suggest taking the bearing to a NAPA parts store..they will measure it, 
and match it up for you on the spot..at least the store here in Sonoma, Ca. 
does.
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Kahler" <brad.kahler at 141.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:41 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear axle bearing


> Amici,
>
> I need to replace one of the rear wheel bearings on my street TR4.
> Rather than take the time to order from one of the normal suppliers
> I'm wondering if anyone would know what the part number for the
> bearing and race might be from say Timken or National? (or any other
> brand that I can cross reference locally).
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brad
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net


From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Jun 29 12:02:57 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:02:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear axle bearing
In-Reply-To: <65D865EB04E34181A33A4337F155F6E1@Bud>
References: <AANLkTildse3Hcz0M2zylSTdvBXIvcnJDQtUW8Kr-SLMk@mail.gmail.com>
	<65D865EB04E34181A33A4337F155F6E1@Bud>
Message-ID: <93A6A9FE567F4BB58482760BD3F6D833@joepentiumnew>

In addition, the old bearing and race will most likely have the manufacturer
and part numbers on them.  That will make matching them up a snap.

But then, you probably want to take the old one off and install the new one
in the same session.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of RACER BUD
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:56 AM
To: Brad Kahler; Friends of Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 rear axle bearing

i suggest taking the bearing to a NAPA parts store..they will measure it, 
and match it up for you on the spot..at least the store here in Sonoma, Ca. 
does.
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Kahler" <brad.kahler at 141.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:41 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear axle bearing


> Amici,
>
> I need to replace one of the rear wheel bearings on my street TR4.
> Rather than take the time to order from one of the normal suppliers
> I'm wondering if anyone would know what the part number for the
> bearing and race might be from say Timken or National? (or any other
> brand that I can cross reference locally).
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brad
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Tue Jun 29 12:52:33 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:52:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear axle bearing
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTildse3Hcz0M2zylSTdvBXIvcnJDQtUW8Kr-SLMk@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTildse3Hcz0M2zylSTdvBXIvcnJDQtUW8Kr-SLMk@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <016601cb17bc$3ccb5480$b661fd80$@rr.com>

> I'm wondering if anyone would know what the part number for the
> bearing and race might be from say Timken or National? (or any other
> brand that I can cross reference locally).

www.rockauto.com has a surprising number of parts listed for our cars, along
with the manufacturer part numbers (and pretty good prices, usually).

Looks like TR4 rear wheel bearings are a National 2523 cup (@ $14) plus a
National 2585 cone (@ $23).
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/x,carcode,1351707,parttype,1672

Not a lot cheaper than TRF (especially if you belong to their "customer
investment plan"), but at least they give the part numbers.

-- Randall 


From brad.kahler at 141.com  Tue Jun 29 13:58:02 2010
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 15:58:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear axle bearing
In-Reply-To: <016601cb17bc$3ccb5480$b661fd80$@rr.com>
References: <AANLkTildse3Hcz0M2zylSTdvBXIvcnJDQtUW8Kr-SLMk@mail.gmail.com>
	<016601cb17bc$3ccb5480$b661fd80$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinECLMU8Bs4hoyKLWXiE0DIFVn8tP97573wl9Nd@mail.gmail.com>

Randall,

Thanks for the part numbers.  Rock Autos price isn't all that much
cheaper than TRF or Moss.  I'm hoping a local bearing house will be a
little cheaper.

Thanks!

Brad


On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>> I'm wondering if anyone would know what the part number for the
>> bearing and race might be from say Timken or National? (or any other
>> brand that I can cross reference locally).
>
> www.rockauto.com has a surprising number of parts listed for our cars, along
> with the manufacturer part numbers (and pretty good prices, usually).
>
> Looks like TR4 rear wheel bearings are a National 2523 cup (@ $14) plus a
> National 2585 cone (@ $23).
> http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/x,carcode,1351707,parttype,1672
>
> Not a lot cheaper than TRF (especially if you belong to their "customer
> investment plan"), but at least they give the part numbers.
>
> -- Randall


From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue Jun 29 16:11:54 2010
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:11:54 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Videos from Brands Hatch and Silverstone in the UK
Message-ID: <469CF7E072914BC0B3F7D82659739984@homekeith>

Dear All,

Thought that you might want to see some good old Brit vintage racing....

My 19 year old son Josh is racing his red/silver TR6 and a fellow racer, Jon
Ellison is racing his yellow TR6 in the Thoroughbred Sports Car
Championship; you get to see the same races with in-car from both cars. 

Cheers, Keith.

Brands from yellow TR6 http://www.blip.tv/file/3471210 

Brands from red TR6 http://www.blip.tv/file/3742656

Silv HGP from yellow TR6  http://jrellison.blip.tv/file/3722914/

Silv HGP from red TR6 http://blip.tv/file/3757561


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Jun 29 16:23:22 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:23:22 +0200
Subject: [Fot] King has died
In-Reply-To: <469CF7E072914BC0B3F7D82659739984@homekeith>
References: <469CF7E072914BC0B3F7D82659739984@homekeith>
Message-ID: <001801cb17d9$b0861370$11923a50$@com>

http://www.aronline.co.uk/index.htm?kinginterf.htm

Chris


From tlizzard at msn.com  Tue Jun 29 16:41:09 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 18:41:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Videos from Brands Hatch and Silverstone in the UK
In-Reply-To: <469CF7E072914BC0B3F7D82659739984@homekeith>
References: <469CF7E072914BC0B3F7D82659739984@homekeith>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS1577D9B1E6091ADDD4EC9C3CB0@phx.gbl>

Outstanding!!


Thanks.


Terry Stetler


From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 23:03:05 2010
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (T Thompson)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 22:03:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Figured it OUT!!!!!!!!! ya hoo Re: More help needed on
 HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
In-Reply-To: <969356.44993.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<969356.44993.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <499121.90834.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Tonight, I fabricated a large "washer" to put over the top of the float tops.  Essentially, I took some aluminum plate and drilled it out with a 2 3/4 inch hole saw. Then I took a 2 inch hole saw and used the same pilot hole to drill out the center (pilot hole kept it symmetrical. This combination of hole saw sizes seems to give me the washer width needed.  

Using the existing float top as a guide, I marked the orientation of the three screw holes on the *washer" and drilled them out.  Then I put the float tops on, oriented them front to rear, and placed the "washers" over the top lining it up with the existing screw holes in the float bowl and tightened it down.  Seems to seat fine and I have no leaks so far.

The only thing is that the screws inevitably end up under the fuel inlet and outlet to the second carb.  I am going to get a float top with a single fuel inlet like I have for the rear carb, put it on front, and just run separate lines to each carb. That way I only have one fuel inlet on the front bowl that will be a little bit harder to tighten.

Hoping this solves the flooding problem now that the float bowls are front to rear.  Hope this helps others if it works! will know next test and tune day (or drive around the hood).

Ty


________________________________
From: Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To: Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; Triumph Friends of <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 5:14:41 PM
Subject: [Fot] Figured it OUT!!!!!!!!! ya hoo Re: More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

Well - I filled the car up with fuel (just to rule level out) and drove back
down to the school parking lot.  I made the hard left and as soon as it
started to die, I shut off the fuel and ignition and opened the hood.  I
pulled the float covers off and the rear carb float was full (flooded).  So
know I know what the problem is.  It doesn't do it going right.  I am going to
check the float, needle (new and check again).  Could be a bad float or it is
binding on left turns.  Any way I am super jazzed I could figure this out
before Seattle.  

I am getting there.  I must say having never working on or
driving a TR before I start this project I have learned alot.  

Mike Mehl
________________________________
From: Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To:
Triumph Friends of <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 12:08:50 PM
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

Here is what I
have done with some great input from several FOT folks.  I am
narrowing down
the problems some what.  
Here is what I have done. As they say
start from a
measurable starting point.
    * checked points and timing
    *
re-centered
the needles (the front carb was sticking - fixed now)
    * changed
from gross
jets to needles supplied from Joe Curto
    * set the floats to 3/16"
*
installed vent lines
car runs great in a straight line.  It seems to be
loading up on left hand turns.  I am attaching a photo of the carb set up.
Based on the many FOT posts on re positioning the floats should i do that
next.  It loaded up so badly the car stopped.  Should i change the float
levels to 1/8".  I am I missing something obvious??  I am trying to sort as
much of this out as I can before I go to Seattle Thursday for the Historics.
Thanks for any input.

Mike Mehl

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type
image/jpeg which had a name of DSC_0242.JPG]
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com


From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Wed Jun 30 00:10:34 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:10:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Figured it OUT!!!!!!!!! ya hoo Re: More help needed on
 HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
In-Reply-To: <4C2ADEB7.70802@greenheart.com>
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<969356.44993.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<499121.90834.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<4C2ADEB7.70802@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <4C2ADFDA.7010605@greenheart.com>

check out this....  --Justin
http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=48221

T Thompson wrote:

Tonight, I fabricated a large "washer" to put over the top of the float 
tops.  Essentially, I took some aluminum plate and drilled it out with a 
2 3/4 inch hole saw. Then I took a 2 inch hole saw and used the same 
pilot hole to drill out the center (pilot hole kept it symmetrical. This 
combination of hole saw sizes seems to give me the washer width needed. 
Using the existing float top as a guide, I marked the orientation of the 
three screw holes on the *washer" and drilled them out.  Then I put the 
float tops on, oriented them front to rear, and placed the "washers" 
over the top lining it up with the existing screw holes in the float 
bowl and tightened it down.  Seems to seat fine and I have no leaks so far.

The only thing is that the screws inevitably end up under the fuel inlet 
and outlet to the second carb.  I am going to get a float top with a 
single fuel inlet like I have for the rear carb, put it on front, and 
just run separate lines to each carb. That way I only have one fuel 
inlet on the front bowl that will be a little bit harder to tighten.

Hoping this solves the flooding problem now that the float bowls are 
front to rear.  Hope this helps others if it works! will know next test 
and tune day (or drive around the hood).

Ty


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Wed Jun 30 07:35:43 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 08:35:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Figured it OUT!!!!!!!!! ya hoo Re: More help needed on
 HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><969356.44993.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><499121.90834.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com><4C2ADEB7.70802@greenheart.com>
	<4C2ADFDA.7010605@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <FFCA336E6E1B47E0AC2EAEC01BF65765@latitudefb1e41>

I've tried this "trick" part and it caused flooding in my TR4A. Raising the 
lid raised the float enough to bring the fuel level at the jet over the top. 
I didn't try to see if i could solve this problem because I could already 
get fuel to rise to that level without it. I have the part if anyone wants 
to try them.
Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
excellence.
Vince Lombardi
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Justin Wagner" <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
To: "Justin Wagner" <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
Cc: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Figured it OUT!!!!!!!!! ya hoo Re: More help needed on 
HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4


> check out this....  --Justin
> http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=48221
>
> T Thompson wrote:
>
> Tonight, I fabricated a large "washer" to put over the top of the float 
> tops.  Essentially, I took some aluminum plate and drilled it out with a 2 
> 3/4 inch hole saw. Then I took a 2 inch hole saw and used the same pilot 
> hole to drill out the center (pilot hole kept it symmetrical. This 
> combination of hole saw sizes seems to give me the washer width needed. 
> Using the existing float top as a guide, I marked the orientation of the 
> three screw holes on the *washer" and drilled them out.  Then I put the 
> float tops on, oriented them front to rear, and placed the "washers" over 
> the top lining it up with the existing screw holes in the float bowl and 
> tightened it down.  Seems to seat fine and I have no leaks so far.
>
> The only thing is that the screws inevitably end up under the fuel inlet 
> and outlet to the second carb.  I am going to get a float top with a 
> single fuel inlet like I have for the rear carb, put it on front, and just 
> run separate lines to each carb. That way I only have one fuel inlet on 
> the front bowl that will be a little bit harder to tighten.
>
> Hoping this solves the flooding problem now that the float bowls are front 
> to rear.  Hope this helps others if it works! will know next test and tune 
> day (or drive around the hood).
>
> Ty
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com


From oldspeed72 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 30 08:52:13 2010
From: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com (Mark Vanlake)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 07:52:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Cooling
Message-ID: <551676.61524.qm@web111003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Looking to upgrade my radiator/cooling system on my 72 TR6, What aftermarket radiator/s are the choice of the TR6 racers. Also, do you use an expansion tank, if so, could you forward me a pic of your system, much appreciated! 


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Wed Jun 30 09:01:59 2010
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 08:01:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SPAM-LOW:   TR-6 Cooling
References: <551676.61524.qm@web111003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F8839D6A155A4358B1D93D2732F86255@Charly>

Try this.
http://www.rondavisradiators.com/72-74-Triumph-TR6-aluminum-.jpg
I think TRF has them also.
http://www.zeni.net/trf/TR6-250GC/index.php?menu=R&page=47

Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Vanlake" <oldspeed72 at yahoo.com>
To: <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>; "FOT LIST" <FOT at autox.team.net>
Cc: "Mark Van Lake" <mavanlake at fedex.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 7:52 AM
Subject: SPAM-LOW: [Fot] TR-6 Cooling


> Looking to upgrade my radiator/cooling system on my 72 TR6, What 
> aftermarket radiator/s are the choice of the TR6 racers. Also, do you use 
> an expansion tank, if so, could you forward me a pic of your system, much 
> appreciated!
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com


From andre at gt6.ca  Wed Jun 30 09:03:16 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 11:03:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Videos from Brands Hatch and Silverstone in the UK
In-Reply-To: <469CF7E072914BC0B3F7D82659739984@homekeith>
References: <469CF7E072914BC0B3F7D82659739984@homekeith>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikOGgqFlc3ZF87qZXr_xXYcYtMnbc6mQXNGIIca@mail.gmail.com>

Nice stuff.

Love the rear cam video feature.

I made my debut race at Mosport on the Father's Day weekend.
Sort of not TR related <grin>, but still it was a blast.

Videos are on my blog.

http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/

Only 2 TR 4's in my group, but I was no where near their pace. Still I
was have a lot of fun trading positions with some MG's.

A.


On 29 June 2010 18:11, Keith Files <keithfiles at btinternet.com> wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Thought that you might want to see some good old Brit vintage racing....
>
> My 19 year old son Josh is racing his red/silver TR6 and a fellow racer,
Jon
> Ellison is racing his yellow TR6 in the Thoroughbred Sports Car
> Championship; you get to see the same races with in-car from both cars.
>
> Cheers, Keith.
>
> Brands from yellow TR6 http://www.blip.tv/file/3471210
>
> Brands from red TR6 http://www.blip.tv/file/3742656
>
> Silv HGP from yellow TR6  http://jrellison.blip.tv/file/3722914/
>
> Silv HGP from red TR6 http://blip.tv/file/3757561
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Jun 30 09:10:23 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 11:10:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Cooling
In-Reply-To: <551676.61524.qm@web111003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <551676.61524.qm@web111003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1006301106160.29800@isis.mit.edu>

On Wed, 30 Jun 2010, Mark Vanlake wrote:

> Looking to upgrade my radiator/cooling system on my 72 TR6, What 
> aftermarket radiator/s are the choice of the TR6 racers. Also, do you 
> use an expansion tank, if so, could you forward me a pic of your system, 
> much appreciated!

I run 12:1 compression on my race car and I presently have a 3-row core in 
the stock radiator shell. It works just fine with an electric fan. This is 
all copper.

I bought an aluminum radiator a while back but haven't installed it, but 
it's either 3 or 4 row. Aluminum is def. better.

Bottom line - you want more rows. The stock setup has the rows lined up 
front to back, the newer cores have the rows offset so those cool better.

regards,
rml
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Lang              Triumph TR6!!            |  This space for rent
2010 NER Solo Chair                            |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
---------------------------------------------------------------------------


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 30 10:07:54 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 16:07:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Cooling
In-Reply-To: <1371972986.71951277912324544.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <926357831.85161277914073997.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Gus, 

I use an aluminum radiator. I paid less than $ 200.00 for it. I don't remember where I got it 

but I have attached a link to an ebay sale. This rad. looks just like mine. 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/209672-19-X-28-ALUMINUM-RACE-RADIATOR-FORD-MOPAR-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1c11732501QQitemZ120551843073QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories 



I built radiator cradles out of aluminum angle from Home depot. 

I'll send a photo off-list. 

Jim G 




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Vanlake" <oldspeed72 at yahoo.com> 
To: fot-bounces at autox.team.net, "FOT LIST" <FOT at autox.team.net> 
Cc: "Mark Van Lake" <mavanlake at fedex.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:52:13 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain 
Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Cooling 

Looking to upgrade my radiator/cooling system on my 72 TR6, What aftermarket radiator/s are the choice of the TR6 racers. Also, do you use an expansion tank, if so, could you forward me a pic of your system, much appreciated! 
_______________________________________________ 
fot at autox.team.net 

http://www.fot-racing.com 

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html 
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums 
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net 


From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Jun 30 10:41:39 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 09:41:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3
 wheel cars ... Carter B. Smith
Message-ID: <3BE6D95E71494240A40631C38C308A5A@Bud>

      This is a Terrific Video...click on the link below.
      Racer Bud







                The BBC Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more
three-wheeled cars b
                (both videos are hysterically FUNNY!)

                http://www.autoblog.com/2010/06/28/video-clarkson-demonstrate
s-why-there-arent-more-three-wheeled/#continued


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 30 13:42:20 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:42:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Ignition timing in a TR-4
Message-ID: <2109157066.168061277926940874.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Greetings FoT

I am planning to attend the Kastner Cup in August and I'm not sure where my
timing

wants to be at roughly 800 ft above sea level. My only experience with the TR4
is at

5200 ft. and 36 -B 38 degrees BTDC is the norm around here. The car has 12.5:1

compression and I generally use 108 octane fuel.

Any advice for Topeka would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Jim G.


From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Jun 30 13:43:59 2010
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 15:43:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] classic car insurance
Message-ID: <AANLkTinu5z66FGH58mw2BmEH3IPQQzAsgRgla4uv7irU@mail.gmail.com>

On an off-track note, who are folks using for 'classic' street car
insurance? Guy here @ the office is buying a Caterham replica and is looking
for something other than the usual insurers.

Thanks,
iii


From d.hesse at charter.net  Wed Jun 30 14:19:09 2010
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 13:19:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] classic car insurance
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinu5z66FGH58mw2BmEH3IPQQzAsgRgla4uv7irU@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100630161909.1JVQ7.8321140.root@mp06>

We use Grundy for the 35 Ford 5-window coupe street rod. They were very good to work with when my wife hit a deer with it. It was taken to the shop of our choice for repairs and they covered it without any hassles. We have it insured with them for a set dollar amount as far as replacement costs.

---- robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com> wrote:

=============
On an off-track note, who are folks using for 'classic' street car
insurance? Guy here @ the office is buying a Caterham replica and is looking
for something other than the usual insurers.

Thanks,
iii
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/d.hesse at charter.net


From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jun 30 13:47:32 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 12:47:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Ignition timing in a TR-4
In-Reply-To: <2109157066.168061277926940874.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <2109157066.168061277926940874.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <D896F879-6A9F-4144-BCF5-DD9A0083CB71@bnj.com>

You are unlikely to need to change your timing if you get the carburetion
right. In theory if you are using SU you should be OK, in practice you might
want to go a little richer. If you're using webers you will have to spend an
hour or so doing plug chops and getting your compensator and main jet right.
You'll need a couple of sets of new spark plugs to get it just right.
On Jun 30, 2010, at 12:42 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:

> Greetings FoT
>
> I am planning to attend the Kastner Cup in August and I'm not sure where my
> timing
>
> wants to be at roughly 800 ft above sea level. My only experience with the
TR4
> is at
>
> 5200 ft. and 36 -B 38 degrees BTDC is the norm around here. The car has
12.5:1
>
> compression and I generally use 108 octane fuel.
>
> Any advice for Topeka would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim G.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Wed Jun 30 15:19:17 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 16:19:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Ignition timing in a TR-4
References: <2109157066.168061277926940874.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <9850872F6C784A179D815D741999D2CA@latitudefb1e41>

I only run 31 degrees but I'm near sea level.
Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
excellence.
Vince Lombardi
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 2:42 PM
Subject: [Fot] Ignition timing in a TR-4


> Greetings FoT
>
> I am planning to attend the Kastner Cup in August and I'm not sure where 
> my
> timing
>
> wants to be at roughly 800 ft above sea level. My only experience with the 
> TR4
> is at
>
> 5200 ft. and 36 -B 38 degrees BTDC is the norm around here. The car has 
> 12.5:1
>
> compression and I generally use 108 octane fuel.
>
> Any advice for Topeka would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim G.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 30 15:29:00 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:29:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Ignition timing in a TR-4
In-Reply-To: <D896F879-6A9F-4144-BCF5-DD9A0083CB71@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <1726439947.205811277933340609.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Thanks Bill, 

I'm running Mikuni HSR 45's. The jetting will be a snap with 200 mains & a couple notches on the needle jet clips. I just don't want to knock any holes in my pistons & 36 - 38 seems a bit much for that elevation. 



jg 




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com> 
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net 
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:47:32 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Ignition timing in a TR-4 

You are unlikely to need to change your timing if you get the carburetion right. In theory if you are using SU you should be OK, in practice you might want to go a little richer. If you're using webers you will have to spend an hour or so doing plug chops and getting your compensator and main jet right. You'll need a couple of sets of new spark plugs to get it just right. 
On Jun 30, 2010, at 12:42 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: 

> Greetings FoT 
> 
> I am planning to attend the Kastner Cup in August and I'm not sure where my 
> timing 
> 
> wants to be at roughly 800 ft above sea level. My only experience with the TR4 
> is at 
> 
> 5200 ft. and 36 -B 38 degrees BTDC is the norm around here. The car has 12.5:1 
> 
> compression and I generally use 108 octane fuel. 
> 
> Any advice for Topeka would be appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Jim G. 
> _______________________________________________ 
> fot at autox.team.net 
> 
> http://www.fot-racing.com 
> 
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html 
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums 
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com 


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 30 16:42:54 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 16:42:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Ignition timing in a TR-4
In-Reply-To: <1726439947.205811277933340609.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1726439947.205811277933340609.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <85FB8786-2E47-4DC3-B951-E03E9D6A2DE9@earthlink.net>

Jim,
My guess is that with that much total, the initial would be too much  
for a hot-start ["bucking" against the starter].
My rule of thumb is +1 deg per thousand feet over 2000. You're at 5000 
+ [as am I] so I would suggest -3 as a starter.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
 From there keep an eye out for any sign of blistering of the plugs.

On Jun 30, 2010, at 3:29 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:

> Thanks Bill,
>
> I'm running Mikuni HSR 45's. The jetting will be a snap with 200  
> mains & a couple notches on the needle jet clips. I just don't want  
> to knock any holes in my pistons & 36 - 38 seems a bit much for  
> that elevation.
>
>
>
> jg
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
> To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
> Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:47:32 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada  
> Mountain
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Ignition timing in a TR-4
>
> You are unlikely to need to change your timing if you get the  
> carburetion right. In theory if you are using SU you should be OK,  
> in practice you might want to go a little richer. If you're using  
> webers you will have to spend an hour or so doing plug chops and  
> getting your compensator and main jet right. You'll need a couple  
> of sets of new spark plugs to get it just right.
> On Jun 30, 2010, at 12:42 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:
>
>> Greetings FoT
>>
>> I am planning to attend the Kastner Cup in August and I'm not sure  
>> where my
>> timing
>>
>> wants to be at roughly 800 ft above sea level. My only experience  
>> with the TR4
>> is at
>>
>> 5200 ft. and 36 -B 38 degrees BTDC is the norm around here. The  
>> car has 12.5:1
>>
>> compression and I generally use 108 octane fuel.
>>
>> Any advice for Topeka would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jim G.
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ 
> lunkercars at earthlink.net


From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Wed Jun 30 19:46:34 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:46:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 bumper brackets
Message-ID: <4C2BF37A.5060602@cfl.rr.com>

All,

I am searching for TR3 left and right bumper brackets (part that 
attaches to the front frame rails) to buy. Any leads appreciated.

thxx,
Bob


From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Wed Jun 30 20:56:27 2010
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 12:56:27 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Australian 18th All Triumph Race
Message-ID: <91CA9BDD45D245D8BA89BA21278C62FB@GEOFFPC>

Amici
The 18th Australian All Triumph Race was run last Sunday at Wakefield Park
Raceway about 3hours drive south of Sydney
This year a record number of 22 entries faced the starter on a clear crisp
winters day. The race was held in conjunction with the 50 year celebration of
TSOA NSW . The club put on a great display of some 60 Triumphs of various
vintage who all enjoyed a parade drive around the track and provided great
spectator support for the racing

The race field was made up of
Three Dolimite Sprints including one turbo
Four TR8s and four TR7s
One TR6 and two GT6s
five TR3s and three Sedans ,
The race was won by Mark Morsillo in his turbo charged Dolimite Sprint
followed by Bill Birney in his 3.9 TR8 and yours trully Geoff Byrne in my TR6
historic race car. I was please to do a PB by taking 2 secs off my best time
due to some extra HP found by metering unit tweeks.
We were fortunate to have two major sponsors for the race and $2000 in prize
money was distributed through the field and a special trophy was awarded to
Andrew Gibson for being the first side screen home in eighth place.

Geoff Byrne
TR6 Racer Down Under


From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Jun 30 23:08:54 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 22:08:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Ed Barnard
Message-ID: <3194934D0E884DCEA825F3B13E34F36A@joepentiumnew>

Would Ed contact me off list?

Thanks,
Joe C.


From gasket.works at verizon.net  Wed Jun 30 23:54:40 2010
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 22:54:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Videos from Brands Hatch and Silverstone in the UK
References: <469CF7E072914BC0B3F7D82659739984@homekeith>
Message-ID: <008001cb18e1$e6186de0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

WAY cool.

thanks
Mordy

M.N.Dunst 
Gasket Works USA, LLC
www.Headgasket.com
626.358.1616 ph
626.628.3777 fx

Triple R Munitions, Inc.
Class 6  Certified F.F.L.
626.201.9471
GMT -8 Pacific


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun  1 07:18:03 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:18:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7DD@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Can anyone tell me the stock spring rate for the 1500 Spitfire's rear
spring?  This would be a swing-spring.



It's time to get the car back to the frame & spring shop.  The rear
spring has started to sag a little and we've now got what looks like 6-8
degrees of negative camber back there.  The tire temperatures are much
higher on the inner edges than in the middle and outer edges.  And the
car's twitchier than hell - very loose.



There's a non-stock spring back there now, which is a little too light
since I borrowed it from an 1147 car, along with its axles.  I'd like to
be able give the spring shop a benchmark for how stiff the stock spring
is.



Scott B.


From gt6steve at aol.com  Tue Jun  1 09:18:30 2010
From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 11:18:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7DD@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7DD@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <8CCCFB4D3A5F211-1F38-1EAF6@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>

I recall something like 800 Lbs for the GT6 spring.  That from the factory
workshop manual.

Perhaps it's specced out in the 1500 manual?





-----Original Message-----
From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 6:18 am
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate


Can anyone tell me the stock spring rate for the 1500 Spitfire's rear
pring?  This would be a swing-spring.

It's time to get the car back to the frame & spring shop.  The rear
pring has started to sag a little and we've now got what looks like 6-8
egrees of negative camber back there.  The tire temperatures are much
igher on the inner edges than in the middle and outer edges.  And the
ar's twitchier than hell - very loose.

There's a non-stock spring back there now, which is a little too light
ince I borrowed it from an 1147 car, along with its axles.  I'd like to
e able give the spring shop a benchmark for how stiff the stock spring
s.

Scott B.
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun  1 09:36:12 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:36:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate
In-Reply-To: <8CCCFB4D3A5F211-1F38-1EAF6@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7DD@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<8CCCFB4D3A5F211-1F38-1EAF6@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7F1@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Thanks - I'll have to check that out.  I don't have a Spit factory
manual - just the one for the GT6.  Time to get one, I suppose.





From: gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:gt6steve at aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:19 AM
To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate




I recall something like 800 Lbs for the GT6 spring.  That from the
factory workshop manual.



Perhaps it's specced out in the 1500 manual?



-----Original Message-----
From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 6:18 am
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate

Can anyone tell me the stock spring rate for the 1500 Spitfire's rear
spring?  This would be a swing-spring.



It's time to get the car back to the frame & spring shop.  The rear
spring has started to sag a little and we've now got what looks like 6-8
degrees of negative camber back there.  The tire temperatures are much
higher on the inner edges than in the middle and outer edges.  And the
car's twitchier than hell - very loose.



There's a non-stock spring back there now, which is a little too light
since I borrowed it from an 1147 car, along with its axles.  I'd like to
be able give the spring shop a benchmark for how stiff the stock spring
is.



Scott B.
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com <http://www.fot-racing.com/>

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com


From chasgee at aol.com  Tue Jun  1 10:17:30 2010
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 12:17:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7F1@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7DD@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><8CCCFB4D3A5F211-1F38-1EAF6@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7F1@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <8CCCFBD11DE5078-23F8-4B86@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com>

Try this: http://www.thedirtforum.com/leafspringrate.htm

It gives numbers that don't quite make sense for a transverse leaf spring
mounting, but it's an easy way to compare what you have to other options.  The
spring shop will also understand this number better.  It also jibes with what
you find when you measure the rate with a press and scales.

Your twitcheness and inside tire temperatures is most likely caused by too
much toe out at the rear.  The cars really like to wildly oversteer with even
a little bit of toe out.  Set the car up for 1/16 or, better yet, 1/8 toe in
per side.  This makes the car much more stable.

Chuck





-----Original Message-----
From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: gt6steve at aol.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:36 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate


Thanks - I'll have to check that out.  I don't have a Spit factory
anual - just the one for the GT6.  Time to get one, I suppose.


From: gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:gt6steve at aol.com]
ent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:19 AM
o: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net
ubject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate


 recall something like 800 Lbs for the GT6 spring.  That from the
actory workshop manual.

Perhaps it's specced out in the 1500 manual?

-----Original Message-----
rom: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
o: fot at autox.team.net
ent: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 6:18 am
ubject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate
Can anyone tell me the stock spring rate for the 1500 Spitfire's rear
pring?  This would be a swing-spring.

It's time to get the car back to the frame & spring shop.  The rear
pring has started to sag a little and we've now got what looks like 6-8
egrees of negative camber back there.  The tire temperatures are much
igher on the inner edges than in the middle and outer edges.  And the
ar's twitchier than hell - very loose.

There's a non-stock spring back there now, which is a little too light
ince I borrowed it from an 1147 car, along with its axles.  I'd like to
e able give the spring shop a benchmark for how stiff the stock spring
s.

Scott B.
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com <http://www.fot-racing.com/>
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun  1 10:33:18 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:33:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate
In-Reply-To: <8CCCFBD11DE5078-23F8-4B86@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7DD@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><8CCCFB4D3A5F211-1F38-1EAF6@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7F1@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<8CCCFBD11DE5078-23F8-4B86@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F7F8@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Thanks.  We'll have to check the rear toe again.  We had it set up with
1/8th toe in at the rear, but maybe it has changed.  It's pretty stable
in a straight line, so I hadn't considered the toe question.



I'll check out the rate link, too.



Scott



From: chasgee at aol.com [mailto:chasgee at aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:18 AM
To: Barr, Scott; gt6steve at aol.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate




Try this: http://www.thedirtforum.com/leafspringrate.htm



It gives numbers that don't quite make sense for a transverse leaf
spring mounting, but it's an easy way to compare what you have to other
options.  The spring shop will also understand this number better.  It
also jibes with what you find when you measure the rate with a press and
scales.



Your twitcheness and inside tire temperatures is most likely caused by
too much toe out at the rear.  The cars really like to wildly oversteer
with even a little bit of toe out.  Set the car up for 1/16 or, better
yet, 1/8 toe in per side.  This makes the car much more stable.



Chuck


-----Original Message-----
From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 6:18 am
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear spring rate

Can anyone tell me the stock spring rate for the 1500 Spitfire's rear
spring?  This would be a swing-spring.



It's time to get the car back to the frame & spring shop.  The rear
spring has started to sag a little and we've now got what looks like 6-8
degrees of negative camber back there.  The tire temperatures are much
higher on the inner edges than in the middle and outer edges.  And the
car's twitchier than hell - very loose.



There's a non-stock spring back there now, which is a little too light
since I borrowed it from an 1147 car, along with its axles.  I'd like to
be able give the spring shop a benchmark for how stiff the stock spring
is.



Scott B.


From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Jun  1 12:19:53 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:19:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: 59 TR3 REBUILT TRANSMISSION
Message-ID: <892ED36C2F59493AB0B9C86DEF39E911@Bud>

Hi Gang..this looks like a good price for a TR3 tranny...it's in Sonoma
county, Ca..., about 1/2 way between Petaluma and Santa Rosa on Hwy. 101.
Racer Bud



http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/pts/1763800685.html


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Jun  1 15:12:20 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 16:12:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Solved TR4 H6 starting
Message-ID: <000001cb01cf$20635570$612a0050$@com>

We were running the fuel bowls dry by shutting off the fuel pump on shut
down to try and solve the starting problem, which was the engine loading up
with fuel.  I think this caused the problem because when the fuel pump was
turned on a spurt of gas would shoot out of the jets.  The inlets on the
bowl covers are directly above the outlet from the bowl into the jet.  Until
the float rises in the empty bowl to shut off the flow we get that spurt of
gas causing a really rich mixture and the loading up.

                I just did a normal shut down of fuel off, ignition off.  On
startup I made sure to get the revs up to 2000 -2500 until the EGT's got
above 900.  I did about 6 test starts over the weekend, a couple after
sitting the car out in the sun (high 80's temperature) and had no problem.
I just have to wait about 30 - 40 seconds for the engine to warm up a bit
and everything is okay to go after that.  A nice idle at around 1500 - 1700.

 

                Thanks to all of the suggestions.  I'm still going to check
some of the other things mentioned but I think the basic problem was
starting on empty float bowls.  In trying to solve the problem when we had
sinking floats I caused the hard starting problem.

 

Tim and Ryan Murphy

1961 TR4 #317


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Jun  1 15:39:51 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 21:39:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Last weeks nomination
Message-ID: <192409507.3031451275428391293.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Last week Tyler Thompson was nominatedB with aB second. I don't think he has
been added to the list yet.

Jim G.



tylerpthompson at yahoo.com


From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Wed Jun  2 05:44:01 2010
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:44:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question
In-Reply-To: <314835.75410.qm@web180304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <314835.75410.qm@web180304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimRV7KAv0Te3FM4vKuocyuftXObPAXhkIkdoAY0@mail.gmail.com>

The Harbor Freight ramps work well but you need to reinforce them a little,
I add a 1 by 2  inch piece of aluminum on one side and a aluminum "L" angle
to the out side, works great for the price and light too. handles my TR-4
racer just fine. That is the one with the solid middle section.

rob deanes

On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Tim Pettenati <tpettenati at yahoo.com>wrote:

> All this talk of trailer ramps and then I spot the Harbor Freight Memorial
> Day
> sale flyer.  Hey those ramps look just like mine and I know the the PO
> couldn't pass on cheap barely adequate crap.  So I found the specs and they
> are rated at 1000 lbs per pair total.  Sounds a bit under spec. for a car
> that
> I'm guessing is about 1400+ lbs.
>
> After a bit of measuring - The ramps are 6
> ft. long and the Spit wheelbase is slightly longer. I only have a pair of
> wheels on the ramps at any time while loading and unloading.  So far they
> worked fine for a dozen or more cycles.
>
> If you are looking for the cheap
> adequate solution and have a short wheelbase, go find the HFreight coupon
> for
> $39.99.
>
> Tim
>  _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com


From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  2 09:23:27 2010
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:23:27 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Last weeks nomination
Message-ID: <mailman.3.1638252553.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

Jim-

I am on the list and getting all the emails. Thanks for the nomination. As you know I can use all the help I can get figuring out how to catch you!

See you in Pueblo. 

Ty 
------Original Message------
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: fot
Subject: [Fot] Last weeks nomination
Sent: Jun 1, 2010 2:39 PM

Last week Tyler Thompson was nominatedB with aB second. I don't think he has
been added to the list yet.

Jim G.



tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com




Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jun  2 11:33:25 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:33:25 -0700
Subject: [Fot] The Cup event
Message-ID: <20100602133325.IQRDZ.607209.imail@fed1rmwml46>

Time is passing fast and only a couple more months to get your team ready for the Cup Race  in Topeka.  This is a great race track with huge paved tiered pit area.  You can see a lot of the course from the pits and there are some great observations points to watch the races.  Hope to see a lot of you Triumph guys there in he middle of August. 
--
Never be beaten by equipment


From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Jun  2 12:04:51 2010
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:04:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] The Cup event
In-Reply-To: <20100602133325.IQRDZ.607209.imail@fed1rmwml46>
References: <20100602133325.IQRDZ.607209.imail@fed1rmwml46>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimsvjzOj01K9TRLYOrltBeBALnOlfsnifgJjdfp@mail.gmail.com>

Unfortunately work is calling.  I am going to be on a project in England for
the next 7-10 months -- so, maybe next year.  Hope to find some way to rent
car and track time while I am there.  Will be in the Birmingham area -- any
insightful information  appreciated.

Wish good luck and good racing to all!

Will keep up on the FOT mail for sure.

Chuck

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:

> Time is passing fast and only a couple more months to get your team ready
> for the Cup Race  in Topeka.  This is a great race track with huge paved
> tiered pit area.  You can see a lot of the course from the pits and there
> are some great observations points to watch the races.  Hope to see a lot of
> you Triumph guys there in he middle of August.
> --
> Never be beaten by equipment
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com
>
>
>


-- 
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley


From lfritz82 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  2 21:30:27 2010
From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 23:30:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 for sale
Message-ID: <SNT143-w52BD9AEB0D3656C82D821DDAD10@phx.gbl>

I have a friend who is thinking of selling his TR6 race car.  If anyone is
interested contact him (Gary Sullivan) at sullivan141 at hughes.net.     Thanks
Lorne
_________________________________________________________________
The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with
Hotmail.
http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID2832
6::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jun  3 09:54:49 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 10:54:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kas Cup dates and links
Message-ID: <20100603155355.B67D6187679@autox.team.net>

I thought it would be helpful for all to have actual links to the 
event and hotel stuff for the Kas Cup in August, so I put this 
together.  I have nothing to do with the organization of this event, though.

Name and dates:
O'REILLY VINTAGE GRAND PRIX

AUGUST 19-22,  2010
AT HEARTLAND PARK TOPEKA
TOPEKA, KANSAS

Kastner Cup 2010 race website:
http://heartlandvintageracing.com/

Entry form:
http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/RaceCarEntry.pdf

Event schedule:
http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/Schedule.pdf

Hotel:
http://www.topekaramada.com/
Ask for the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix rate, I believe.

 From an earlier e-mail:
Topeka's Ramada Inn is sponsoring a dinner at the hotel on Thursday night.

This will be for all entrants, crew, and support people who are registered at
the hotel.

Cheers,
Tony Drews


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Jun  3 10:39:21 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 10:39:21 -0600
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kas Cup dates and links
In-Reply-To: <20100603155355.B67D6187679@autox.team.net>
References: <20100603155355.B67D6187679@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4C3760A3E1BE4219A9E486CDC484EBBD@hal9000>

Just FYI, the current event
schedule is going to be
changed.
The way it is now CP & DP are
scheduled to run just before
the cup and EP and FP run
right after the cup.
It's going to be changed to
give us a little separation
between events.
jg



-----Original Message-----
From:
fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team
.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010
9:55 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kas Cup
dates and links

I thought it would be helpful
for all to have actual links
to the 
event and hotel stuff for the
Kas Cup in August, so I put
this 
together.  I have nothing to
do with the organization of
this event, though.

Name and dates:
O'REILLY VINTAGE GRAND PRIX

AUGUST 19-22,  2010
AT HEARTLAND PARK TOPEKA
TOPEKA, KANSAS

Kastner Cup 2010 race website:
http://heartlandvintageracing.
com/

Entry form:
http://www.heartlandvintagerac
ing.com/RaceCarEntry.pdf

Event schedule:
http://www.heartlandvintagerac
ing.com/Schedule.pdf

Hotel:
http://www.topekaramada.com/
Ask for the Heartland Vintage
Grand Prix rate, I believe.

 From an earlier e-mail:
Topeka's Ramada Inn is
sponsoring a dinner at the
hotel on Thursday night.

This will be for all entrants,
crew, and support people who
are registered at
the hotel.

Cheers,
Tony Drews
______________________________
_________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate:
http://www.team.net/donate.htm
l
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums:
http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/
options/fot/toodamnfunky at comca
st.net


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Jun  3 18:49:26 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:49:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Attendees at HEARTLAND PARK?   JUST A SIMPLE RESPONSE
Message-ID: <8CCD196EAB41662-103C-75BA@webmail-d007.sysops.aol.com>

I'd like to report back to our hosts.

Just a simple

YES
NO
MAYBE

DRIVER
CREW

REPLY to me.

Thanks!

Joe A


From Catpusher at aol.com  Thu Jun  3 22:01:55 2010
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 00:01:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Subject:  TR3 wins at SCCA National
Message-ID: <7cd72.7d8c361a.3939d4b3@aol.com>

Hi Joe (B)
 
I just returned from a trip to Alaska, and add my congratulations!
 
Hardy
 
Date:  Tue, 18 May 2010 18:08:36 GMT
From: "Joe Boruch"  <jaboruch at netzero.net>
Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA  National
To:  fot at autox.team.net


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Jun  5 16:44:01 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 18:44:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <8CCD317BA00360F-1B0C-FB1A@Webmail-m121.sysops.aol.com>

Sam Halkias will join us at Heartland Park in August for the Kastner Cup. His
Plan is to bring SCCA Champ Car and a vintage TR6 racer.

I heard from RMVR and there is a strong group of TR4s heading out of the
mountains to the Central Plains.

I havnt heard  from VARA or SOVERN folks....well, Chuck Arnold will be in the
UK. And John James is unable to make it this year. We will miss both of them.

Looks like 30 plus cars at this point.

I am pleased.

Joe A


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sun Jun  6 16:12:29 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 18:12:29 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis
Message-ID: <20adb.15fbd512.393d774d@cs.com>

Does anyone know Steve Sargis?

Thanks</HTML>


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Jun  6 18:00:18 2010
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 20:00:18 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis
Message-ID: <24bac.201a8480.393d9092@aol.com>

Are you joking?  Everyone knows Steve Sargis!  He's a Triumph  hero!
 
Errr, wait..you mean Email...ermmm...no....never mind
 
Steve ;-))
 
 
In a message dated 6/6/2010 3:55:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
N197TR4 at cs.com writes:

Does  anyone know Steve  Sargis?

Thanks
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate:  http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:  http://www.team.net/archive
Forums:  http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:  http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com


From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  7 06:11:29 2010
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 05:11:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis
In-Reply-To: <24bac.201a8480.393d9092@aol.com>
Message-ID: <579800.89209.qm@web57601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I've seen Sargis race several times and had the chance to look over his red
Spitfire; both him and the car are incredibly interesting and fast.  Maybe
that is why he holds the fast lap for GP at Road America.
 
Ernie

--- On Sun, 6/6/10, Gt6steve at aol.com <Gt6steve at aol.com> wrote:


From: Gt6steve at aol.com <Gt6steve at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Steve Sargis
To: N197TR4 at cs.com, fot at autox.team.net
Cc: FOT at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, June 6, 2010, 7:00 PM


Are you joking?  Everyone knows Steve Sargis!  He's a Triumph  hero!

Errr, wait..you mean Email...ermmm...no....never mind

Steve ;-))


In a message dated 6/6/2010 3:55:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
N197TR4 at cs.com writes:

Does  anyone know Steve  Sargis?

Thanks
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate:  http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:  http://www.team.net/archive
Forums:  http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:  http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com


From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  7 06:11:29 2010
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 05:11:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis
In-Reply-To: <24bac.201a8480.393d9092@aol.com>
Message-ID: <579800.89209.qm@web57601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I've seen Sargis race several times and had the chance to look over his red
Spitfire; both him and the car are incredibly interesting and fast.  Maybe
that is why he holds the fast lap for GP at Road America.
 
Ernie

--- On Sun, 6/6/10, Gt6steve at aol.com <Gt6steve at aol.com> wrote:


From: Gt6steve at aol.com <Gt6steve at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Steve Sargis
To: N197TR4 at cs.com, fot at autox.team.net
Cc: FOT at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, June 6, 2010, 7:00 PM


Are you joking?  Everyone knows Steve Sargis!  He's a Triumph  hero!

Errr, wait..you mean Email...ermmm...no....never mind

Steve ;-))


In a message dated 6/6/2010 3:55:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
N197TR4 at cs.com writes:

Does  anyone know Steve  Sargis?

Thanks
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate:  http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:  http://www.team.net/archive
Forums:  http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:  http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Jun  7 07:15:05 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:15:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Bob Goes for a Sunday Drive
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1006070911030.26905@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I just got a new videa recoreder, a Motorsports Hero HD...

We (NER/SCCA) ran an autocross last Sunday and I shot some vids.

The weather was really bizarre as we were under a tornado watch pretty 
much all day and we even had some severe weather off and on during the 
day.

Anyway, check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNYKLxHNeE0

c ya,
rml
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Lang              Triumph TR6!!            |  This space for rent
2010 NER Solo Chair                            |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
---------------------------------------------------------------------------


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Jun  7 08:43:26 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 10:43:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT   Spitfires   and  Steve Sargis
Message-ID: <8CCD466EC45FB59-5B4-131B6@webmail-d025.sysops.aol.com>

FOT,

The reason for asking about Steve Sargis is about Spitfires.  Spitfire
interest for vintage racing has been growing.

I'd like to have the FOT invite Steve Sargis to the Heartland.

I am amazed at the growth of Triumph vintage racing in the central states.
Entries for this event bear that out. Having Steve Sargis there may be an
inspiration to more of the Sptifire/GT6 wanabees.

If it hadnt been for Bob Wismer in 1990 we would not have launched our
efforts, first with a Saab Sonnett, then the TR4, which we have run for 20
years.  I went from a long time wanabee to the vintage scene.  (Andre will
likely cut his teeth on the Fiat and then come back to TRs)

Sam Halkias is coming. Steve Sargis would be a nice addition. Hardy being
there would be VERY cool, I need discuss with him, yet, but he has really paid
his dues to the Triumph Community. Have not said anything to Jack Wheeler yet
either, but will.

Four National Champs at Heartland would be very cool.

Anyway....any support here would be appreciated. I dont know Steve Sargis, but
I think he may enjoy what we are doing. I know Kas would like to see him....he
was featured in Kas' first book.

Thanks,

Joe


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Jun  7 15:16:07 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:16:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Attendees at HEARTLAND PARK?   JUST A SIMPLE RESPONSE
References: <8CCD196EAB41662-103C-75BA@webmail-d007.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <5FF421549D8C4C20A9EEE5674474DBD3@rocky>

When is it?

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:49 PM
Subject: [Fot] Attendees at HEARTLAND PARK? JUST A SIMPLE RESPONSE


> I'd like to report back to our hosts.
>
> Just a simple
>
> YES
> NO
> MAYBE
>
> DRIVER
> CREW
>
> REPLY to me.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe A
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com


From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Jun  7 18:02:22 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:02:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Bob Goes for a Sunday Drive
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1006070911030.26905@isis.mit.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1006070911030.26905@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <C77AFC692C2347589A0C2C84D2D4355C@joepentiumnew>

Bob, that was no autocross!  It was more like a Time Trial.  I like it.
Tiny Tim could really stretch his legs on a course like that.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Robert M. Lang
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 6:15 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Bob Goes for a Sunday Drive

Hi,

I just got a new videa recoreder, a Motorsports Hero HD...

We (NER/SCCA) ran an autocross last Sunday and I shot some vids.

The weather was really bizarre as we were under a tornado watch pretty 
much all day and we even had some severe weather off and on during the 
day.

Anyway, check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNYKLxHNeE0

c ya,
rml
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Lang              Triumph TR6!!            |  This space for rent
2010 NER Solo Chair                            |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Mon Jun  7 20:06:23 2010
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 20:06:23 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Henry and Jake go for Sunday drive
Message-ID: <SNT134-w31D08D6AB2A319CDA63C3C90D60@phx.gbl>

Also took the Dolly Sprint TR7 out for an Autocross in Santa Fe.  15 year old
Jake got a faster raw time than pops but when it came to cleaning up and not
knocking down pylons, youth succumbed to age.  Nonetheless, not looking good
for Dad after son's third autocross....................Cheers from New Mexico,
Henry Morrison


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Jun  7 20:47:23 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:47:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR's TVT MAGAZINE.....ISSUE #121 FOT Classic Motor Sports
Message-ID: <8CCD4CC0E8D1885-1C4C-564A@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com>

FOT


We are going to have a presence in the next TVT magazine issue as it relates
to the Kastner Cup.

I'd like to submit the names and cars of those that intend to race that
weekend.

name    car   state

I will also submit to Classic Motorsports as Tim has published the names in
the past.

Sam's appearance is a news item as well.

I still have not heard from several folks that I think are going to be
running

Joe


From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Jun  7 22:13:13 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 23:13:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  2010 Kas Cup dates and links
Message-ID: <20100608041238.418F8187649@autox.team.net>

Re-post - Tony


>I thought it would be helpful for all to have actual links to the 
>event and hotel stuff for the Kas Cup in August, so I put this 
>together.  I have nothing to do with the organization of this event, though.
>
>Name and dates:
>O'REILLY VINTAGE GRAND PRIX
>
>AUGUST 19-22,  2010
>AT HEARTLAND PARK TOPEKA
>TOPEKA, KANSAS
>
>Kastner Cup 2010 race website:
>http://heartlandvintageracing.com/
>
>Entry form:
>http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/RaceCarEntry.pdf
>
>Event schedule:
>http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/Schedule.pdf
>
>Hotel:
>http://www.topekaramada.com/
>Ask for the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix rate, I believe.
>
> From an earlier e-mail:
>Topeka's Ramada Inn is sponsoring a dinner at the hotel on Thursday night.
>
>This will be for all entrants, crew, and support people who are registered at
>the hotel.
>
>Cheers,
>Tony Drews


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Jun  8 08:05:44 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:05:44 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Crank split seal ring TR3/4 - advert
In-Reply-To: <20100608041238.418F8187649@autox.team.net>
References: <20100608041238.418F8187649@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <005101cb0713$b11c3520$13549f60$@com>

Hi guys,

some of you already know about but I would like to let you know about a new
split seal that I've created to serve three main goals:

1st - a dry crank seal to prevent clutch slickness
2nd - it should be cheap and easy done
3rd - best available material for racing purpose

Starting from this I invented a split seal ring that can be used with the
stock crank without grinding off the scroll.
Only the aluminum ring needs a little rework to make the split seal ring fit
which can be easy done on a lathe for cheap money.
The split seal is made out of Viton and can stand very high revs and also
temperatures.

So this is only for guys who run a stock crank.
So you have two seals, stock and the new split seal to make the rear dry.

Currently I've let made 20 rings which are almost sold out except 3 to
today. If there is interest I could make another run of rings.
You can get the rings from ARE Joe Alexander who will include an installing
kit with the ring if you like (centering tool for the stock aluminum ring).

For further information you can have a look here:

http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/splitseal.pdf

Cheers
Chris


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Jun  8 09:01:02 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 11:01:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Crank split seal ring TR3/4 - advert
In-Reply-To: <005101cb0713$b11c3520$13549f60$@com>
References: <20100608041238.418F8187649@autox.team.net>
	<005101cb0713$b11c3520$13549f60$@com>
Message-ID: <8CCD5328C0AEE62-1C4C-B348@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com>

Just to add to this, ISOA folks are doing an installation and writing a
comprehensive article on Christian's new seal. The article will be published
later this year by Mike Cook in VTR's TVT Magazine.

I installed one in the AMBRO and impressed with the results. I am still
chasing oil wetness in various areas of the engine, but to no fault of the
seal. Christian has some race weekends on his installation with a dry seal
area.

There is a special holding fixture for the OEM Scroll Seal, designed by
Christian. I hope to have a couple of them produced for our use in North
America. We also have a design for the Scroll Centering Tool that has the
correct dimensions...as the factory manuals are incorrect.

I hope to produce these Scroll Centering Tools in quantity, at a low price, so
everyone can easily have one.

Christian is making a contribution to the Triumph Community with these
designs. Especially to the FOT.

Joe A






-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 8, 2010 9:05 am
Subject: [Fot] Crank split seal ring TR3/4 - advert


Hi guys,
some of you already know about but I would like to let you know about a new
plit seal that I've created to serve three main goals:
1st - a dry crank seal to prevent clutch slickness
nd - it should be cheap and easy done
rd - best available material for racing purpose
Starting from this I invented a split seal ring that can be used with the
tock crank without grinding off the scroll.
nly the aluminum ring needs a little rework to make the split seal ring fit
hich can be easy done on a lathe for cheap money.
he split seal is made out of Viton and can stand very high revs and also
emperatures.
So this is only for guys who run a stock crank.
o you have two seals, stock and the new split seal to make the rear dry.
Currently I've let made 20 rings which are almost sold out except 3 to
oday. If there is interest I could make another run of rings.
ou can get the rings from ARE Joe Alexander who will include an installing
it with the ring if you like (centering tool for the stock aluminum ring).
For further information you can have a look here:
http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/splitseal.pdf
Cheers
hris
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com


From riverside at southslope.net  Tue Jun  8 15:54:16 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:54:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] oil filter/cooler adapter
Message-ID: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

I am looking for an adapter to allow use of spin on oil filter
on TR3/4 engine.  It needs to have fittings to run lines to and
from an oil cooler.  Moss shows one for the TR6 635-285.
Anybody know of a similar one for the tractor motor?
Thanks.

art de armond


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Jun  8 16:40:03 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:40:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] oil filter/cooler adapter
In-Reply-To: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <8906DBA0-B51E-472F-8631-2926747CBB91@earthlink.net>

Art,

I'm pretty sure the spin-on filter adapter and the oil-cooler adapter  
(sandwich) plate are two separate parts.
The spin-on filter adapter attaches to the filter head and is readily  
available for about 30 bucks.  It accepts a Fram PH3600 filter or Fram  
HP10 racing filter.
Between the filter head and the engine block is a sandwich plate which  
contains two strategically placed fittings for the oil cooler.  I have  
a few of these in different styles.
Let me know if you're interested.

~Steve


On Jun 8, 2010, at 2:54 PM, riverside wrote:

I am looking for an adapter to allow use of spin on oil filter
on TR3/4 engine.  It needs to have fittings to run lines to and
from an oil cooler.  Moss shows one for the TR6 635-285.
Anybody know of a similar one for the tractor motor?
Thanks.

art de armond
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net


From billb at bnj.com  Tue Jun  8 17:01:51 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:01:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] oil filter/cooler adapter
In-Reply-To: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <4372F6E4-2A1E-4E16-A453-7D9B0E4D7D9D@bnj.com>

Contact Gregg Solow. You need one that gets the flow right, some of the
adapters are a little screwy. I know Greggs is proper, others may be too.
On Jun 8, 2010, at 2:54 PM, riverside wrote:

> I am looking for an adapter to allow use of spin on oil filter
> on TR3/4 engine.  It needs to have fittings to run lines to and
> from an oil cooler.  Moss shows one for the TR6 635-285.
> Anybody know of a similar one for the tractor motor?
> Thanks.
>
> art de armond
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Jun  8 17:07:58 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 23:07:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spax shock info for IRS cars
Message-ID: <815993532.1405211276038478532.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Greetings

I blew out one of my Spax adjustables on the rear in a minor shunt. I had a
bit of a time

finding a replacement. As it turns out my shocks are custom madeB for BPNW for
lowered springs.

I had to call Spax to find that out.

So, for those of you running the spax shocks that were originally intended for
street springs ( Dan)

and go to lowered springs you will find out the Spax shocks for street
springsB are 1.5" longer than

the shocks made for lowered springs. Your springs will want to fall out of the
perches when raised.

I don't know what affect this may have on overall shock travel.

The part number is G3072 ( stamped in the body ) and they come in gas charged
( labeled as Gas

Krypton ) or non-gas charged just labeled Spax. I have both types at the
moment and the part

number doesn't differentiate, same for both.

Just FYI



Jim G


B 


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Tue Jun  8 17:20:47 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:20:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] oil filter/cooler adapter
In-Reply-To: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <037201cb0761$3a331700$0301a8c0@randall>

> Anybody know of a similar one for the tractor motor?

Revington offers several different styles of cooler adapters for the TR3-4;
including a spin-on plus cooler adapter.  

I believe they also offer a complete filter head (rather than an adapter),
which might be preferable for racing.  While I've never had one break, the
hollow center bolt used with the common spin-on adapters seems kind of
flimsy to me, and having those hoses hanging off  can only add more strain.

Randall


From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Tue Jun  8 19:13:09 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 21:13:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 engines
Message-ID: <4C0EEAA5.3050708@cfl.rr.com>

Question for GT6 experts. I think have a MK1 with an engine block number 
KC460L. Is this a MK1 block. The head, however, is obviously a later MK2 
or 3 head and is using a head gasket set that says "GT6 MK3 head gasket 
set recessed". Other clues might be the main bearings which are VP91253 
and rod bearings VP91252. It does have cam bearings.

thxx,
Bob


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Tue Jun  8 19:41:13 2010
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 21:41:13 EDT
Subject: [Fot] GT6 engines
Message-ID: <16f5c.70ec13d4.39404b39@aol.com>

That's an interesting piece.  Tell us about the crank....
 
 
In a message dated 6/8/2010 6:30:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com writes:

Question  for GT6 experts. I think have a MK1 with an engine block number 
KC460L. Is  this a MK1 block. The head, however, is obviously a later MK2 
or 3 head  and is using a head gasket set that says "GT6 MK3 head gasket 
set  recessed". Other clues might be the main bearings which are VP91253 
and  rod bearings VP91252. It does have cam  bearings.

thxx,
Bob
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate:  http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:  http://www.team.net/archive
Forums:  http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:  http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com


From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Tue Jun  8 19:45:26 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 18:45:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] oil filter/cooler adapter
In-Reply-To: <037201cb0761$3a331700$0301a8c0@randall>
References: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<037201cb0761$3a331700$0301a8c0@randall>
Message-ID: <4C0EF236.3090905@greenheart.com>

Back in the very late 70s, I had one of those "hollow center bolts" 
break on my street TR4A's spin-on adapter.   I took it to a machnist and 
he took one look at the broken part and told me that the way it had been 
made, it was practically designed to break.   The new one that he made 
looked like NASA would have approved of it.

--Justin

Randall wrote:

>>Anybody know of a similar one for the tractor motor?
>>    
>>
>
>Revington offers several different styles of cooler adapters for the TR3-4;
>including a spin-on plus cooler adapter.  
>
>I believe they also offer a complete filter head (rather than an adapter),
>which might be preferable for racing.  While I've never had one break, the
>hollow center bolt used with the common spin-on adapters seems kind of
>flimsy to me, and having those hoses hanging off  can only add more strain.
>
>Randall
>_______________________________________________
>fot at autox.team.net
>
>http://www.fot-racing.com
>
>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner at greenheart.com


From bownes at seiri.com  Tue Jun  8 20:34:52 2010
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 22:34:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] oil filter/cooler adapter
In-Reply-To: <4C0EF236.3090905@greenheart.com>
References: <001f01cb0755$24268570$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<037201cb0761$3a331700$0301a8c0@randall>
	<4C0EF236.3090905@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinry4VtOBHfSoBQkQ9qra0rAugOfklcesKnPIme@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like the kingpins on my godfather's 1936 MG VA. He bought it in 37,
broke a kingpin in 43 or so. No way he was getting a replacement in the
middle of the War. He owned a company that made and sold pumps, so he went
down to the machine shop and had the shop foreman make him a new set. When
one of those broke in about 1998, he went down to the shop, cornered the
foreman and complained about the shoddy materials and workmanship to the
very same foreman (with a large grin on his face I'm sure).

Said foreman told him 'George, come back this afternoon and I'll have you a
new set.'

Lo, and behold, that afternoon a new set was delivered. New kingpins, ways,
and all the associated bits all made from titanium. (complete with
appropriate bolts to prevent galling).

Foreman told him 'George, I'll guarantee these for the rest of our lives',
with an equally large grin. Both of them were over 90.

George passed on a few years later, as did the machinist. But the kingpins
roll on in that VA.

iii


On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Justin Wagner <jmwagner at greenheart.com>wrote:

> Back in the very late 70s, I had one of those "hollow center bolts"
> break on my street TR4A's spin-on adapter.   I took it to a machnist and
> he took one look at the broken part and told me that the way it had been
> made, it was practically designed to break.   The new one that he made
> looked like NASA would have approved of it.
>
> --Justin
>
> Randall wrote:
>
> >>Anybody know of a similar one for the tractor motor?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Revington offers several different styles of cooler adapters for the
> TR3-4;
> >including a spin-on plus cooler adapter.
> >
> >I believe they also offer a complete filter head (rather than an adapter),
> >which might be preferable for racing.  While I've never had one break, the
> >hollow center bolt used with the common spin-on adapters seems kind of
> >flimsy to me, and having those hoses hanging off  can only add more
> strain.
> >
> >Randall
> >_______________________________________________
> >fot at autox.team.net
> >
> >http://www.fot-racing.com
> >
> >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> >Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner at greenheart.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com


From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Tue Jun  8 20:23:22 2010
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 22:23:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Henry and Jake go for Sunday drive
In-Reply-To: <SNT134-w31D08D6AB2A319CDA63C3C90D60@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT134-w31D08D6AB2A319CDA63C3C90D60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <92860A9414704C43B692519A2ECBBF9E@INSPIRON>

Thats great enjoy your son.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:06 PM
Subject: [Fot] Henry and Jake go for Sunday drive


> Also took the Dolly Sprint TR7 out for an Autocross in Santa Fe.  15 year 
> old
> Jake got a faster raw time than pops but when it came to cleaning up and 
> not
> knocking down pylons, youth succumbed to age.  Nonetheless, not looking 
> good
> for Dad after son's third autocross....................Cheers from New 
> Mexico,
> Henry Morrison
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/19to1tr6 at comcast.net


From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jun  8 21:26:07 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 21:26:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 engines
In-Reply-To: <4C0EEAA5.3050708@cfl.rr.com>
References: <4C0EEAA5.3050708@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4C0F09CF.2010300@bradakis.com>

I'm working from a dusty old memory here, but didn't the early Mark 1 
engines
with the straight port heads use 3/8 inch head studs instead of the 
later 7/16ths ??

mjb.


From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jun  8 21:50:17 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 21:50:17 -0600
Subject: [Fot] That was unusual
Message-ID: <4C0F0F79.7070709@bradakis.com>

I received something today that I have not seen for a while.

A paycheck.

The amount was pretty modest, since it only covered a couple of days.
But I took a job as a parts driver for the local Parts Plus distributor a
week or so back.  The pay sucks, the benefits are non-existent and I
am spending a lot of money on gas.  I'm driving around the Salt Lake
valley to the tune of about 200 miles a day.   I wish the CRV got 250
miles to the gallon instead of 25 - spare change for gas money, anyone?

At least I can get anything the warehouse sells for wholesale, and the
Honda is due for an oil change.  And Frank Edwards carries a lot of
stuff, so I'm able to save a few bucks on many things I need.

We'll see how long it lasts.  It is basically brainless work, a smarter than
average chimpanzee could handle most of it, my Master's degree in
Computer Science is not exactly called into play here.  But it gets me
out of the house so I don't spend all day frumping and fretting at the
keyboard.

But with all the driving I do I may not be inclined to drive to Topeka
this August as I planned.  I may fly in, but then again by August my
body may be so contoured to match the CRV driver's seat I'll have
no choice...

mjb.


From gasket.works at gte.net  Tue Jun  8 22:41:06 2010
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:41:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] That was unusual
Message-ID: <1151711506-1276058454-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1050343932-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I hear that CNG in utah is about 70 cents for a gallon equivalent.  Honda.

------Original Message------
From: Mark J Bradakis
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] That was unusual
Sent: Jun 8, 2010 8:50 PM

I received something today that I have not seen for a while.

A paycheck.

The amount was pretty modest, since it only covered a couple of days.
But I took a job as a parts driver for the local Parts Plus distributor a
week or so back.  The pay sucks, the benefits are non-existent and I
am spending a lot of money on gas.  I'm driving around the Salt Lake
valley to the tune of about 200 miles a day.   I wish the CRV got 250
miles to the gallon instead of 25 - spare change for gas money, anyone?

At least I can get anything the warehouse sells for wholesale, and the
Honda is due for an oil change.  And Frank Edwards carries a lot of
stuff, so I'm able to save a few bucks on many things I need.

We'll see how long it lasts.  It is basically brainless work, a smarter than
average chimpanzee could handle most of it, my Master's degree in
Computer Science is not exactly called into play here.  But it gets me
out of the house so I don't spend all day frumping and fretting at the
keyboard.

But with all the driving I do I may not be inclined to drive to Topeka
this August as I planned.  I may fly in, but then again by August my
body may be so contoured to match the CRV driver's seat I'll have
no choice...

mjb.
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net




Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile


From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Wed Jun  9 04:19:37 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 06:19:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 engines
In-Reply-To: <16f5c.70ec13d4.39404b39@aol.com>
References: <16f5c.70ec13d4.39404b39@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C0F6AB9.40203@cfl.rr.com>

Steve,

Have not seen the inside of the engine so can't comment on the crank. It 
is cut at .030 under so it probably wont last long anyway.  You may have 
run across the car since it is kind of in your neck of the woods. The 
car (red) is for sale in Berkley, CA. Looks to be a decent car except 
for the good chance it is a MK1 block and crank. Owner is not 
particularly knowledgeable about the GT6 so can't tell me much about the 
origins of the engine. The picture does show a later head on it and the 
studs appear to be 7/16ths.

Bob

On 6/8/2010 9:41 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
> That's an interesting piece.  Tell us about the crank....
> In a message dated 6/8/2010 6:30:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
> rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com writes:
>
>     Question for GT6 experts. I think have a MK1 with an engine block
>     number
>     KC460L. Is this a MK1 block. The head, however, is obviously a
>     later MK2
>     or 3 head and is using a head gasket set that says "GT6 MK3 head
>     gasket
>     set recessed". Other clues might be the main bearings which are
>     VP91253
>     and rod bearings VP91252. It does have cam bearings.
>
>     thxx,
>     Bob
>     _______________________________________________
>     fot at autox.team.net
>
>     http://www.fot-racing.com
>
>     Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>     Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>     Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>     Unsubscribe:
>     http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Jun  9 06:52:16 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 08:52:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] That was unusual
In-Reply-To: <4C0F0F79.7070709@bradakis.com>
References: <4C0F0F79.7070709@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <8CCD5E9B91A9196-B40-E7BF@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>

You have to come to Topeka. You are a VIP.

Joe A






-----Original Message-----
From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: 'Friends of Triumph' <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Jun 8, 2010 10:50 pm
Subject: [Fot] That was unusual


I received something today that I have not seen for a while.

A paycheck.

The amount was pretty modest, since it only covered a couple of days.
But I took a job as a parts driver for the local Parts Plus distributor a
week or so back. The pay sucks, the benefits are non-existent and I
am spending a lot of money on gas. I'm driving around the Salt Lake
valley to the tune of about 200 miles a day. I wish the CRV got 250
miles to the gallon instead of 25 - spare change for gas money, anyone?

At least I can get anything the warehouse sells for wholesale, and the
Honda is due for an oil change. And Frank Edwards carries a lot of
stuff, so I'm able to save a few bucks on many things I need.

We'll see how long it lasts. It is basically brainless work, a smarter than
average chimpanzee could handle most of it, my Master's degree in
Computer Science is not exactly called into play here. But it gets me
out of the house so I don't spend all day frumping and fretting at the
keyboard.

But with all the driving I do I may not be inclined to drive to Topeka
this August as I planned. I may fly in, but then again by August my
body may be so contoured to match the CRV driver's seat I'll have
no choice...

mjb.
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com


From riverside at southslope.net  Wed Jun  9 09:52:13 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 10:52:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] oil filter/cooler adapter
Message-ID: <003001cb07eb$baa0cb00$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Many thanks to all the repliers.
As always, there was much very
useful info!

art de armond


From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Wed Jun  9 10:58:48 2010
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 09:58:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re:  oil filter/cooler adapter
Message-ID: <4C0FC848.50204@gmail.com>

Subject: 	Re: [Fot] oil filter/cooler adapter
Date: 	Wed, 09 Jun 2010 09:57:20 -0700
From: 	TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
To: 	riverside <riverside at southslope.net>, Triumph List 
<triumphs at autox.team.net>



On 6/8/10 2:54 PM, riverside wrote:
>  I am looking for an adapter to allow use of spin on oil filter
>  on TR3/4 engine.  It needs to have fittings to run lines to and
>  from an oil cooler.  Moss shows one for the TR6 635-285.
>  Anybody know of a similar one for the tractor motor?
>
>
I had one of the Moss adapters and didn't like it.  I replaced it with
one that Greg Solow of Greg Solow's Engine Room had made up.  I like the
design a lot better.

<gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>

Teriann


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Wed Jun  9 12:40:50 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:40:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Crank split seal ring TR3/4 - advert
In-Reply-To: <005101cb0713$b11c3520$13549f60$@com>
References: <20100608041238.418F8187649@autox.team.net>
	<005101cb0713$b11c3520$13549f60$@com>
Message-ID: <000001cb0803$48f10430$dad30c90$@com>

Good work Chris!  Just a note on the Moss alignment mandrel for the rear
seal.  It is the wrong diameter, just a bit oversize.  It is made of what I
think is Delrin and I had mine turned down to 2.814-2.815 (71.48mm
-71.50mm).  Now it is about the correct size.  You wrote that you used 2.818
(71.57mm).  I've only had to use it once as now that the two halves of the
aluminum "seal" are bolted to the block and cap I've had no reason to remove
them, so far!  I would also note that the oil "drain" hole is critical to
the stock seal working correctly and the felt seal on the sides of the cap
are also critical to the sealing of the rear main.  I've attached a couple
of Kas's old posts regarding this.  I made my punches out of brass, just
easier to machine, and I use 1 inch pieces of the felt seal at a time and
pound them in.  I get felt coming out of the gaps on the sides of the cap if
I'm doing it right.  I've done the seals 3 times now and I just have a bit
of the weeping that Kas mentions.  If anybody wants to borrow my mandrel
contact me off list.  As I said you usually only need to align the aluminum
halves once.

Tim Murphy
1961 TR4 #317

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:06 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Crank split seal ring TR3/4 - advert

Hi guys,

some of you already know about but I would like to let you know about a new
split seal that I've created to serve three main goals:

1st - a dry crank seal to prevent clutch slickness
2nd - it should be cheap and easy done
3rd - best available material for racing purpose

Starting from this I invented a split seal ring that can be used with the
stock crank without grinding off the scroll.
Only the aluminum ring needs a little rework to make the split seal ring fit
which can be easy done on a lathe for cheap money.
The split seal is made out of Viton and can stand very high revs and also
temperatures.

So this is only for guys who run a stock crank.
So you have two seals, stock and the new split seal to make the rear dry.

Currently I've let made 20 rings which are almost sold out except 3 to
today. If there is interest I could make another run of rings.
You can get the rings from ARE Joe Alexander who will include an installing
kit with the ring if you like (centering tool for the stock aluminum ring).

For further information you can have a look here:

http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/splitseal.pdf

Cheers
Chris
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/msword which had a name of Kas Kastner, Rear Seal Installation.doc]


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jun  9 13:28:31 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:28:31 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Crank split seal ring TR3/4 - advert
Message-ID: <518a4.486feb30.3941455f@cs.com>

Great note Tim!   

Yes! Someone determined that the factory dimensions we wrong.

Thanks for letting us know about the Moss offering...I wondered about that.

I'll let Christian answer this, but he made a change to the mandril 
dimension to reflect a dimension closer to the one you just mentioned.

71.55 mm

(The mandrils that I am producing will reflect Christian's final dimensions 
and will be lower cost than the current Moss Motors offering)  I think 
Christian got it all right.

Finally, you are correct about the drain back tubes. There are two of them 
and I just had the recent experience of plugging the small one with 
disastrous results. First time it has happened in 40+  so I was due, eh?

Regards,

Joe A




> Good work Chris!  Just a note on the Moss alignment mandrel for the rear
> seal.  It is the wrong diameter, just a bit oversize.  It is made of what I
> think is Delrin and I had mine turned down to 2.814-2.815 (71.48mm
> -71.50mm).  Now it is about the correct size.  You wrote that you used 
> 2.818
> (71.57mm).  I've only had to use it once as now that the two halves of the
> aluminum "seal" are bolted to the block and cap I've had no reason to 
> remove
> them, so far!  I would also note that the oil "drain" hole is critical to
> the stock seal working correctly and the felt seal on the sides of the cap
> are also critical to the sealing of the rear main.  I've attached a couple
> of Kas's old posts regarding this.  I made my punches out of brass, just
> easier to machine, and I use 1 inch pieces of the felt seal at a time and
> pound them in.  I get felt coming out of the gaps on the sides of the cap 
> if
> I'm doing it right.  I've done the seals 3 times now and I just have a bit
> of the weeping that Kas mentions.  If anybody wants to borrow my mandrel
> contact me off list.  As I said you usually only need to align the aluminum
> halves once.
> 
> Tim Murphy
> 1961 TR4 #317
> 

</HTML>


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jun  9 13:43:08 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:43:08 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis invited to the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix
Message-ID: <52c1a.38473bff.394148cc@cs.com>

FOT:

Steve Sargis has formally been invited to the HVGP.  

He is going to make a final decision following the June Sprints. If all 
goes very well, it will help him make a decision.

In the meantime, we might keep close track of Sam and Steve's progress all 
of the way through the RUNOFFs.

If I understand it correctly, Steve is going to field two Spitfires at the 
Runoffs. One in HP Production and one in GP.  (The FOT may also want to 
consider attendance at Road America. This may be the making of some great 
history)

Regards,

Joe Alexander</HTML>


From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jun  9 15:27:45 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:27:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis invited to the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix
In-Reply-To: <52c1a.38473bff.394148cc@cs.com>
Message-ID: <20100609172745.IYL8D.704812.imail@fed1rmwml36>

I think it is fair and timely to remind everyone that the "CUP " is presented for Vintage cars. Regretfully the SCCA cars are just too far away from production specifications, but they are a gas to watch. It is not always, or I might seldom the winner of the race, but the person performing in an outstanding fashion. The performance along with the presentation of their car and their interest and participation in Vinrtage racing that make up the values for the "Cup".

.
---- N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: 

=============
FOT:

Steve Sargis has formally been invited to the HVGP.  

He is going to make a final decision following the June Sprints. If all 
goes very well, it will help him make a decision.

In the meantime, we might keep close track of Sam and Steve's progress all 
of the way through the RUNOFFs.

If I understand it correctly, Steve is going to field two Spitfires at the 
Runoffs. One in HP Production and one in GP.  (The FOT may also want to 
consider attendance at Road America. This may be the making of some great 
history)

Regards,

Joe Alexander</HTML>
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net



--
Never be beaten by equipment


From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Wed Jun  9 17:05:13 2010
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 19:05:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis invited to the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix
Message-ID: <17479185.1276124713409.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Fot if Steve does run 2 cars they will be HP and FP .  Joe


-----Original Message-----
>From: N197TR4 at cs.com
>Sent: Jun 9, 2010 3:43 PM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis invited to the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix
>
>FOT:
>
>Steve Sargis has formally been invited to the HVGP.  
>
>He is going to make a final decision following the June Sprints. If all 
>goes very well, it will help him make a decision.
>
>In the meantime, we might keep close track of Sam and Steve's progress all 
>of the way through the RUNOFFs.
>
>If I understand it correctly, Steve is going to field two Spitfires at the 
>Runoffs. One in HP Production and one in GP.  (The FOT may also want to 
>consider attendance at Road America. This may be the making of some great 
>history)
>
>Regards,
>
>Joe Alexander</HTML>
>_______________________________________________
>fot at autox.team.net
>
>http://www.fot-racing.com
>
>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsiam1 at earthlink.net
>
>


Chequered Flag Racing .net
Joseph P. Siam
9833 Deering Ave unit I
Chatsworth Ca 91311
818 350 6222


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Jun  9 19:32:01 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 21:32:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis invited to the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix
In-Reply-To: <17479185.1276124713409.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <17479185.1276124713409.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8CCD653DC18D0E8-B40-19EF9@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>

yup...i be wrong....thanks!





-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Siam <jsiam1 at earthlink.net>
To: N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, Jun 9, 2010 6:05 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Steve Sargis invited to the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix


Fot if Steve does run 2 cars they will be HP and FP .  Joe

----Original Message-----
From: N197TR4 at cs.com
Sent: Jun 9, 2010 3:43 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Steve Sargis invited to the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix

FOT:

Steve Sargis has formally been invited to the HVGP.

He is going to make a final decision following the June Sprints. If all
goes very well, it will help him make a decision.

In the meantime, we might keep close track of Sam and Steve's progress all
of the way through the RUNOFFs.

If I understand it correctly, Steve is going to field two Spitfires at the
Runoffs. One in HP Production and one in GP.  (The FOT may also want to
consider attendance at Road America. This may be the making of some great
history)

Regards,

Joe Alexander</HTML>
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsiam1 at earthlink.net



hequered Flag Racing .net
oseph P. Siam
833 Deering Ave unit I
hatsworth Ca 91311
18 350 6222


From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 10 09:33:07 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 08:33:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Fw:  [fot] need help locating parts for MGA
Message-ID: <26BD1ECA5652472BBCEB62D1CD331DEF@Bud>

Hi Guys! You won't believe it but I have both! And for sale as well! A frame
and a body!

Let me know if I can help.

Chris

(415-350-1695

In a message dated 5/22/2010 5:54:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
budscars at comcast.net writes:
  Hi Gang...
  Maybe someone can help...this request came to me via FOT(Friends of
  Triumph)....to contact the proper parties, click on the seacube link or the
  ablake link below
  Racer Bud
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Seacubeco" <seaCubeCo at aol.com>
  To: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>

  Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 4:31 PM
  Subject: [Fot] [fot] need help locating parts for mga


  > Fellow freaks of cars from across the pond
  >
  > My friend just crashed his 58 MGA race car today and I am putting out
  > feelers for parts.  So far from guessing we will need body pannels and  a
  > frame.  I an sure we will needore things but those will get us started
  >
  >
  > Thank you
  > Chris Bock
  > _______________________________________________
  > fot at autox.team.net
  >
  > http://www.fot-racing.com
  >
  > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
  > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
  > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
  > Unsubscribe:
  > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu Jun 10 10:30:27 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:30:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Greg Hilyer is Back! Making appearance at Heartland TR4 #314
Message-ID: <92414.6c007be6.39426d23@cs.com>

Greg Hilyer finally surfaced after disappearing into the Gila Mountains a 
few months ago.  

He and Connie plan to bring the #314 TR4.

Always fast, he is likely to be a front runner.

Connie is going to drive the TR4, too.

But wait there is more....he is working an FOT shirt project. When the 
details come together, it will be presented to the FOT for an assessment of 
interest. That's all I know at the moment.  Regards,  Joe Alexander</HTML>


From ikorey at comcast.net  Thu Jun 10 11:45:22 2010
From: ikorey at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:45:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Greg Hilyer is Back! Making appearance at Heartland TR4
 #314
In-Reply-To: <92414.6c007be6.39426d23@cs.com>
References: <92414.6c007be6.39426d23@cs.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinYZWB-NaEnKLb3kE4Tpl6-x63Sn2b9wA7Un8Ts@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:30 AM, <N197TR4 at cs.com> wrote:

> Greg Hilyer finally surfaced after disappearing into the Gila Mountains a
> few months ago.
>
> He and Connie plan to bring the #314 TR4.
>
> Always fast, he is likely to be a front runner.
>
> Connie is going to drive the TR4, too.
>
> But wait there is more....he is working an FOT shirt project.


Does that mean the shirts will be purple?

;-)

Irv Korey


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 10 14:34:37 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:34:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] AWAL?
In-Reply-To: <92414.6c007be6.39426d23@cs.com>
References: <92414.6c007be6.39426d23@cs.com>
Message-ID: <71F3699C-41D9-4995-98F8-36082082F32A@earthlink.net>

Gee, didn't even know I was on the AWAL list. Nice to know one is  
missed though Joe.

Yes, tee-shirts are in the works. Should have something fun for all  
to see later next week. Details to follow.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Jun 10, 2010, at 10:30 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> Greg Hilyer finally surfaced after disappearing into the Gila  
> Mountains a
> few months ago.
>
> He and Connie plan to bring the #314 TR4.
>
> Always fast, he is likely to be a front runner.
>
> Connie is going to drive the TR4, too.
>
> But wait there is more....he is working an FOT shirt project. When the
> details come together, it will be presented to the FOT for an  
> assessment of
> interest. That's all I know at the moment.  Regards,  Joe  
> Alexander</HTML>
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ 
> lunkercars at earthlink.net


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Jun 10 14:47:43 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:47:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Greg Hilyer is Back! Making appearance at Heartland TR4
 #314
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinYZWB-NaEnKLb3kE4Tpl6-x63Sn2b9wA7Un8Ts@mail.gmail.com>
References: <92414.6c007be6.39426d23@cs.com>
	<AANLkTinYZWB-NaEnKLb3kE4Tpl6-x63Sn2b9wA7Un8Ts@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ECB794EB81DE4B719B13B123925568A7@hal9000>

Great news, I'm looking
forward to seeing you again.
About being a front runner, I
have no doubt. Sorry you
couldn't make it to the
Trans-Am. Were having our FoT
crawfish party this weekend.
Were partying like rockstars,
slightly older rockstars
anyway.

Jim G.

-----Original Message-----
From:
fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team
.net] On Behalf Of Irv Korey
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010
11:45 AM
To: N197TR4 at cs.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Greg Hilyer
is Back! Making appearance at
Heartland TR4 #314

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:30
AM, <N197TR4 at cs.com> wrote:

> Greg Hilyer finally surfaced
after disappearing into the
Gila Mountains a
> few months ago.
>
> He and Connie plan to bring
the #314 TR4.
>
> Always fast, he is likely to
be a front runner.
>
> Connie is going to drive the
TR4, too.
>
> But wait there is more....he
is working an FOT shirt
project.


Does that mean the shirts will
be purple?

;-)

Irv Korey
______________________________
_________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate:
http://www.team.net/donate.htm
l
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums:
http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/
options/fot/toodamnfunky at comca
st.net


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Jun 10 20:45:57 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:45:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] CONTRACT WRENCH AVAILABLE AT HEARTLAND
Message-ID: <8CCD7275ACC282B-237C-6DCD@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>

FOT HEARTLAND ENTRANTS.......

For those that know Jon Wood from the UK, know that he is a crack mechanic.

He also knows a ton of 'speed secrets' they have developed in the UK and
Europe.

He will be available for consultation and emergency wrenching.

He has a voracious appetite for food and beer.

A little contract wrenching at a modest hourly rate will sustain him.

He was in my garage for a week last fall. You have to ask specific questions,
but his knowledge base is incredible.

Here is your chance.

Joe A


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Jun 11 11:24:21 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:24:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] HEARTLAND REPORT-ENTRIES   FORECAST IS VERY GOOD ON ENTRIES
Message-ID: <8CCD7A210A9260A-155C-1813@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>

FOT:

We will miss several folks that we would love to see. Not many from the far
reaches of the North American coastlines are able to justify the tow.


If we had a tiny country like Switzerland it might be different....no matter,
there is a stalwart band of FOTs represented here in the Heartland. I amazed
at the number of TR4s that plan to come. It appears that we have about 25 cars
eligible for the Kastner Cup and over 30 Drivers planning to register.

Sam Halkias is coming to support the FOT as he says we have supported him.
Steve Sargis is waiting for his results from the JUNE SPRINTS to make a
decision to join us. His plate is full with prep time on both HP and FP
Spitfires for the SCCA RUNOFFS.

But Rob Deanes plans to come from Wilmington, NC. He changing his usual
schedule to join us. Jeff Snook is bringing his TR3. Keith Files will arrive
from London with his entourage to drive his US Based Sebring TR4.

I am still waiting for confirmation from about 10 Drivers regarding their
appearances....we hope they come as they add a lot of value to the Kastner
Cup.

In addition to the TR drivers there is going to be a wide assortment of
interesting characters in attendance. I'll leave those guys as a surprise.
There might be a couple musical instruments making an appearance for some
impromptu sessions.

There will be a very strong club presence as well as vendors.....as you know
the Kastner Cup event is being heavily supported by O'Reilly Auto PARTS.

OH YES!  Kas & Peg are driving in to be with us.

Ramada Inn is the FOT HOTEL and they are feeding us on Thursday night.

HEARTLANDVINTAGERACING.COM    for more info and links.

Thanks!


From klynch_6 at msn.com  Fri Jun 11 15:50:52 2010
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:50:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] from Sarah Bonnier
Message-ID: <SNT123-DS22C4BFF9621E4675CF7BCB7D90@phx.gbl>

Helping
out a friend...ALL SCCA MEMBERS! The SCCA Solo F350 was stolen last
night in Manassas, VA. It's a white, crew cab F350 dually pickup with
Kansas tags and SCCA stickers on the side windows. Contact Howard Duncan
(hduncan at scca.com) if you see it (after contacting the police, of
course!). Cut, paste, and... repost

K Lynch


From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Jun 11 16:54:39 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:54:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SCCA PICKUP TRUCK STOLEN IN VIRGINIA
Message-ID: <6AC6F359700548BDACC913E4E2151F29@Bud>

Helping
out a friend...ALL SCCA MEMBERS! The SCCA Solo F350 was stolen last
night in Manassas, VA. It's a white, crew cab F350 dually pickup with
Kansas tags and SCCA stickers on the side windows. Contact Howard Duncan
(hduncan at scca.com) if you see it (after contacting the police, of
course!). Cut, paste, and... repost

K Lynch


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Jun 11 19:03:12 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:03:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Black Hawk Farms      Father's Day Weekend
Message-ID: <8CCD7E22A0A0D41-138C-12619@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com>

Who all will be there....?

This weekend is looking pretty racy.

Perhaps moderating temps and humidity......

Sean is primary driver once again...Mark is back up.


Then 10 days on the Blue Ridge Parkway in sports cars. A vacation would be
nice.


From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 11 19:26:54 2010
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:26:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Bowling Green suggestions
Message-ID: <146893.6510.qm@web57603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hey Gang:
 
Scott Barr and myself will be leaving Wisconsin tomorrow to hang out for an
evening in Bowling Green after stops in Indy and Nashville.  Any suggestions
for dining and libations? 
 
Thanks,
 
Ernie


From triosan at gmail.com  Sat Jun 12 02:14:12 2010
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:14:12 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: A good article on the danger of fire
In-Reply-To: <64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com>
	<64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>

For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the Miata and
the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe it to
yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
yourself -- I sure got a good lesson
Chuck

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/


Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Jun 12 06:12:58 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:12:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] HEARTLAND      ROBERT JOHNS meets CHUCK MCGUIRE at Topeka
Message-ID: <8CCD83FBACB4FE0-138C-19359@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com>

Of course you know Robert (Bob) Johns as the Triumph Factory Driver who drove
the 12 Hours of Sebring with Mordy Dunst's father-in-law, Mike Rothschild.

It turns out that Des Moines' Chuck McGuire was in Germany at about the same
time as Bob. Chuck tells of a run on the Autobahn with a 190SL, with his TR3
outrunning the 190SL going up the hills and the 190SL catching him on the
downside.

Chuck returned from Germany with his TR3 to race it at GREENWOOD in the 60s.
Chuck and his wife are going to join us in the FOT Paddock....with the same
TR3.  You want to be in the Paddock when these two meet and tell stories? I
think so.

Chuck has restored four TR3s, one for each of his children. At 75 he is
stilling chasing cars down America's Autobahn.

Robert and Chuck are on our VIP List.

Welcome them!


From dave at microworks.net  Sat Jun 12 10:25:31 2010
From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:25:31 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: A good article on the danger of fire
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com><64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com>
	<AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C0CD49ECE014EFEAF52E81BE5CDDC18@sys>

Thanks!

It says they don't know what caused the fire but while reading it and what
happened I think I know and can easily see what he did wrong.

I'll bet there was a fuel leak which started the smoke and then the fire
fire.  He put the fire out but kept driving.  The initial fire had melted
fuel line and with the motor still running it now was not a fuel leak but a
fuel gusher.  As he says in the article the second fire came with a BOOM.

If in a fire kill the fire AND the motor.  Don't try to continue driving to
the next corner station like he did.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 1:14 AM
To: Friends
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: A good article on the danger of fire

For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the Miata and
the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe it to
yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
yourself -- I sure got a good lesson
Chuck

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/


Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Jun 12 19:13:57 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:13:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING
Message-ID: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>

Sean is working on TR4  #197 for Blackhawk Farms.

After running some heat cycles the tanks expanded.

Cause....radiator cap?

Help!

Failure may be imminent. We might have a back up radiator, but that's not
likely the problem.

I dont think he is seeing bubbles in the coolant.

I dont think he is seeing anything go into the overflow bottle.

TIA
Joe


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Jun 12 22:14:17 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:14:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING
In-Reply-To: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100613041327.4E1DC18763E@autox.team.net>

Plugged overflow line could be an issue - Even with a too high 
pressure cap I'd have a hard time seeing it build up enough pressure 
to make the radiator fail.  If the overflow line is plugged solid, 
you can build pressure until something gives the water a place to 
expand into - blow off a line, bust the radiator, or whatever.

- Tony

At 08:13 PM 6/12/2010, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
>Sean is working on TR4  #197 for Blackhawk Farms.
>
>After running some heat cycles the tanks expanded.
>
>Cause....radiator cap?
>
>Help!
>
>Failure may be imminent. We might have a back up radiator, but that's not
>likely the problem.
>
>I dont think he is seeing bubbles in the coolant.
>
>I dont think he is seeing anything go into the overflow bottle.
>
>TIA
>Joe
>_______________________________________________
>fot at autox.team.net
>
>http://www.fot-racing.com
>
>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com


From BillDentin at aol.com  Sun Jun 13 07:27:27 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 09:27:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING
Message-ID: <ebe97.721fdcc7.394636bf@aol.com>

Joe, et al...

Are you sure there is not a bubble in the system?

Bill


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jun 13 07:57:06 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:57:06 +0200
Subject: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING
In-Reply-To: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000901cb0b00$50721370$f1563a50$@com>

Hi Joe,

think about to get a CO2 leak tester...cheap, easy done after each run, and
relaiable to tell you if you have a leak at the head gasket.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von n197tr4 at cs.com
Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. Juni 2010 03:14
An: fot at autox.team.net; seanax at iowalaser.com; alex3rail at mchsi.com
Betreff: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING

Sean is working on TR4  #197 for Blackhawk Farms.

After running some heat cycles the tanks expanded.

Cause....radiator cap?

Help!

Failure may be imminent. We might have a back up radiator, but that's not
likely the problem.

I dont think he is seeing bubbles in the coolant.

I dont think he is seeing anything go into the overflow bottle.

TIA
Joe
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Jun 13 08:18:39 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 10:18:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING
In-Reply-To: <000901cb0b00$50721370$f1563a50$@com>
References: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
	<000901cb0b00$50721370$f1563a50$@com>
Message-ID: <8CCD91A7462DFF7-19A0-1CA49@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com>

OK!   Sean can pursue that.

Did you hear back from Mark Eden yet, on the Seal?

Thanks!

Joe






-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net; seanax at iowalaser.com
Sent: Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:57 am
Subject: AW: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING


Hi Joe,
think about to get a CO2 leak tester...cheap, easy done after each run, and
elaiable to tell you if you have a leak at the head gasket.
Cheers
hris
-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
on: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
uftrag von n197tr4 at cs.com
esendet: Sonntag, 13. Juni 2010 03:14
n: fot at autox.team.net; seanax at iowalaser.com; alex3rail at mchsi.com
etreff: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING
Sean is working on TR4  #197 for Blackhawk Farms.
After running some heat cycles the tanks expanded.
Cause....radiator cap?
Help!
Failure may be imminent. We might have a back up radiator, but that's not
ikely the problem.
I dont think he is seeing bubbles in the coolant.
I dont think he is seeing anything go into the overflow bottle.
TIA
oe
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe:
ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com


From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Sun Jun 13 11:36:10 2010
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 13:36:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] foam
Message-ID: <37BE92B1174F4B7298061C3DFAA56C0C@INSPIRON>

Hello all   Just changed the oil in the Atype OD and ran it up to 3000 rpm
and engaged the od a couple of times  On Rechecking the oil level I found it
foamy. I have not come across this in the past. I don't know what is normal.
Any thoughts       thanks     rob


From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jun 13 12:15:15 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 11:15:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Bobby Whitehead scores DP win with CVAR @ Hallett OK.
In-Reply-To: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <442353.31216.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Just had to toot my horn... SOMEHOW I managed to place 1st in DP @ Hallett OK
during our soggy run April 16-18...  WOW.... just shows to go the fastest car
is not always the winner...
There's a driver in DP that has a Lotus Super
Seven that is obviuosly a lot faster car than mine but the idiot drives one
way...balls to the walls... and into the grass... and spinning out repeatedly
....  SO   according to the most recent Victory Lane...  I'm published!

GT6's
RULE!

Bobby Whitehead
#39 CVAR DP Triumph GT6+
________________________________


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Jun 13 13:58:27 2010
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:58:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Bobby Whitehead scores DP win with CVAR @ Hallett OK.
Message-ID: <84038.1946352.39469263@aol.com>

Huzzah! Huzzah!  Way to go Bobby!  Hallett's a good track for our  cars and 
you were the driver to exploit the conditions.  Good  Job!!

 
 
In a message dated 6/13/2010 12:46:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
igofaster at att.net writes:

Just had  to toot my horn... SOMEHOW I managed to place 1st in DP @ Hallett 
OK
during  our soggy run April 16-18...  WOW.... just shows to go the fastest  
car
is not always the winner...
There's a driver in DP that has a Lotus  Super
Seven that is obviuosly a lot faster car than mine but the idiot  drives one
way...balls to the walls... and into the grass... and spinning  out 
repeatedly
....  SO   according to the most recent  Victory Lane...  I'm published!

GT6's
RULE!

Bobby  Whitehead
#39 CVAR DP Triumph  GT6+
________________________________
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate:  http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:  http://www.team.net/archive
Forums:  http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:  http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com


From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jun 13 16:41:09 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 16:41:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Bobby Whitehead scores DP win with CVAR @ Hallett OK.
In-Reply-To: <442353.31216.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
	<442353.31216.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C155E85.3070909@bradakis.com>

Nice.  Good work.

mjb.


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Jun 13 16:53:38 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:53:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Bobby Whitehead scores DP win with CVAR @ Hallett OK.
In-Reply-To: <442353.31216.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
	<442353.31216.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CCD9626555F638-17A4-3282D@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com>

Everybody will be watching you very closely at  The Heartland...

There will be a lot of pressure for you to perform now.

Bring Viagara






-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
To: FoT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:15 pm
Subject: [Fot] Bobby Whitehead scores DP win with CVAR @ Hallett OK.


Just had to toot my horn... SOMEHOW I managed to place 1st in DP @ Hallett OK
uring our soggy run April 16-18...  WOW.... just shows to go the fastest car
s not always the winner...
here's a driver in DP that has a Lotus Super
even that is obviuosly a lot faster car than mine but the idiot drives one
ay...balls to the walls... and into the grass... and spinning out repeatedly
...  SO   according to the most recent Victory Lane...  I'm published!
GT6's
ULE!
Bobby Whitehead
39 CVAR DP Triumph GT6+
_______________________________
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com


From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 13 19:58:21 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:58:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING
In-Reply-To: <8CCD91A7462DFF7-19A0-1CA49@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
	<000901cb0b00$50721370$f1563a50$@com>
	<8CCD91A7462DFF7-19A0-1CA49@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <390868.5523.qm@web46105.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Joe;
I am with Tony and some of the other posts.  I have been fighting head
issues for the last two months.  I am with Tony.  The over flow must be
plugged.  My first head problem was water pump interference.  I had so much
pressure it was like a fountain squirting from the over flow.  If it had been
plugged it would have expaned the radiator or burst a hose.  It does seem
strange that a hose would not have ruptured first.  
Mike Mehl
________________________________
From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To:
tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net; seanax at iowalaser.com
Sent: Sun,
June 13, 2010 7:18:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS
EXPANDING

OK!  Sean can pursue that.

Did you hear back from Mark Eden yet,
on the Seal?

Thanks!

Joe






-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx
<tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net;
seanax at iowalaser.com
Sent: Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:57 am
Subject: AW: [Fot] TOP &
BOTTOM RADIATOR TANKS EXPANDING


Hi Joe,
think about to get a CO2 leak
tester...cheap, easy done after each run, and
elaiable to tell you if you have
a leak at the head gasket.
Cheers
hris
-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
on:
fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
uftrag von
n197tr4 at cs.com
esendet: Sonntag, 13. Juni 2010 03:14
n: fot at autox.team.net;
seanax at iowalaser.com; alex3rail at mchsi.com
etreff: [Fot] TOP & BOTTOM RADIATOR
TANKS EXPANDING
Sean is working on TR4  #197 for Blackhawk Farms.
After
running some heat cycles the tanks expanded.
Cause....radiator cap?
Help!
Failure may be imminent. We might have a back up radiator, but that's not
ikely the problem.
I dont think he is seeing bubbles in the coolant.
I dont
think he is seeing anything go into the overflow bottle.
TIA
oe
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive:
http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe:
ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 13 20:28:22 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 20:28:22 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Bobby Whitehead scores DP win with CVAR @ Hallett OK.
In-Reply-To: <442353.31216.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <8CCD8ACD5137A93-784-18F3B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
	<442353.31216.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5812702E-2308-46CF-B696-E17636031DD8@earthlink.net>

A BIG congrats Bobby! I watched that race and the differences were  
dramatic - Lotus fast but scary - Bobby quick and consistent.
Good for you. And who needs a stinkin' Toyota gearbox.
See you in Topeka.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM

On Jun 13, 2010, at 12:15 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote:

> Just had to toot my horn... SOMEHOW I managed to place 1st in DP @  
> Hallett OK
> during our soggy run April 16-18...  WOW.... just shows to go the  
> fastest car
> is not always the winner...
> There's a driver in DP that has a Lotus Super
> Seven that is obviuosly a lot faster car than mine but the idiot  
> drives one
> way...balls to the walls... and into the grass... and spinning out  
> repeatedly
> ....  SO   according to the most recent Victory Lane...  I'm  
> published!
>
> GT6's
> RULE!
>
> Bobby Whitehead
> #39 CVAR DP Triumph GT6+
> ________________________________
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ 
> lunkercars at earthlink.net


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Sun Jun 13 20:28:48 2010
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 20:28:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Lunker and Walt spotted during 24 hours of Le Mans
Message-ID: <SNT134-w298245F3376CE9169531CA90DC0@phx.gbl>

Yes there they were TR4 and TR6 during the Sandia Motorspeedway advertisement
albeit, only in the Albuquerque area, but there they
were!....................Cheers Henry Morrison


From mrtommmmm at netscape.net  Mon Jun 14 13:01:08 2010
From: mrtommmmm at netscape.net (mrtommmmm at netscape.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:01:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] tr4 fender
Message-ID: <8CCDA0B14CD4C7C-1230-8C0@webmail-d064.sysops.aol.com>

 anyone have a RH front outer fender for a 63 tr4?
yes they hard to find, so here i am trying.
thx for any replies.
t.a.


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Mon Jun 14 15:28:54 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:28:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com>
	<64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com>
	<AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>

I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt  
system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend  
to do any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the  
Miata fire, and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a  
fire, having water which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines  
on the shirt which can melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's  
worth.  Has this ever been addressed - does SCCA allow these systems,  
and if so, how is it reconciled with the requirement to wear fire- 
retardant materials?

On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these  
slips over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a  
quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my  
wrists or from the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I  
don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because  
it blocks visibility to the side mirror.

On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:

For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the  
Miata and
the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe  
it to
yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
yourself -- I sure got a good lesson
Chuck

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/


Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net


From bownes at seiri.com  Mon Jun 14 16:41:20 2010
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:41:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com>
	<64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com>
	<AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinx5_VIqKoILQ4r3zZ-aD_qEiAMSG88fND1ooMv@mail.gmail.com>

Scott,
The arm restraints I use have a D ring on the bottom which the clips
for the shoulder harnesses pass through right before they go into the
cam lock. As soon as I pop the cam, it all falls apart.

Fast, easy,simple.
Bob.



On 6/14/10, Scott Janzen <s.janzen at comcast.net> wrote:
> I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
> system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend
> to do any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the
> Miata fire, and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a
> fire, having water which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines
> on the shirt which can melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's
> worth.  Has this ever been addressed - does SCCA allow these systems,
> and if so, how is it reconciled with the requirement to wear fire-
> retardant materials?
>
> On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these
> slips over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a
> quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my
> wrists or from the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I
> don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because
> it blocks visibility to the side mirror.
>
> On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:
>
> For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the
> Miata and
> the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe
> it to
> yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
> yourself -- I sure got a good lesson
> Chuck
>
> http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/
>
>
> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Jun 14 17:08:40 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:08:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com><64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com><AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8C84189332E04CA294A160F8E24B7E46@rocky>

Hmmmm. My last race a couple weeks ago it was really hot so I decided to go 
out without the Nomex underwear, just the multi-layer suit. After reading 
that story I may never do that again (my previous season I did four races in 
100+ weather with full gear on -- not so bad really, especially when impound 
greets you with a cold washcloth and a cup of water).

Got no answers on cool shirts. Never tried one. But I've always made sure my 
bottom layer (regular underwear and socks under the Nomex undoes) was 100% 
cotton, not polyester. I understand the cotton layer is worth another 3-4 
seconds of protection.

Arm restraints ... me too. Always wondered why they didn't just put metal 
D-rings on them. I saw someone put the cloth loops over the ends of the 
shoulder harness, so I tried it. Didn't like it. I decided that was harder 
to get loose then when I hooked them on the lap belt. My cuffs slip on, like 
yours, and I wear them up around the elbows and will slide off easily (but 
in an emergency escape that's an extra move). Makes me wonder about the guys 
who have them sewn to their driver suits. BTW, you can get window nets that 
are a finer mesh instead of inch-wide straps.

--Rocky Entriken
  GP (okay HP now) Spitfire


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 4:28 PM
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems


> I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
> system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend
> to do any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the
> Miata fire, and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a
> fire, having water which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines
> on the shirt which can melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's
> worth.  Has this ever been addressed - does SCCA allow these systems,
> and if so, how is it reconciled with the requirement to wear fire-
> retardant materials?
>
> On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these
> slips over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a
> quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my
> wrists or from the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I
> don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because
> it blocks visibility to the side mirror.
>
> On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:
>
> For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the
> Miata and
> the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe
> it to
> yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
> yourself -- I sure got a good lesson
> Chuck
>
> http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/
>
>
> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com


From horizonracing at msn.com  Mon Jun 14 17:42:01 2010
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:42:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com>,
	<64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com>,
	<AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>,
	<0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <SNT141-w42BA74728B8586CD397A47B2DC0@phx.gbl>

In 1988, Gerhard Berger Crashed in a Ferrari (F1) and there was a pretty good
fire. The 3rd degree burns he got, were from the sweet in his cotton tee shirt
boiling.



As for arm restraints, I think you will find the most commonly used at dirt
tracks (sprint/midgets) are the slip over the arm type or "D" rings sewn
(spl?) into the sleeves below the elbow with separate tethers. Not the ones
that form a "y" at the tether.Those boys crash the most offen and hard ! I use
the Simpson brand and have done so for past 15 plus years.



cheers

Tony









> From: s.janzen at comcast.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:28:54 -0400
> Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
>
> I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
> system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend
> to do any time the temperature is over 65. I read this article on the
> Miata fire, and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a
> fire, having water which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines
> on the shirt which can melt, near my skin is more hazardous than it's
> worth. Has this ever been addressed - does SCCA allow these systems,
> and if so, how is it reconciled with the requirement to wear fire-
> retardant materials?
>
> On a related thought, I also use arm restraints. One end of these
> slips over the lap belt component of the harness. If I had to make a
> quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my
> wrists or from the belts. Is there a better way to anchor these? I
> don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because
> it blocks visibility to the side mirror.
>
> On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:
>
> For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the
> Miata and
> the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe
> it to
> yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
> yourself -- I sure got a good lesson
> Chuck
>
> http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/
>
>
> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com


From adams910 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 14 18:51:43 2010
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:51:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <SNT141-w42BA74728B8586CD397A47B2DC0@phx.gbl>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com>
	<64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com>
	<AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
	<SNT141-w42BA74728B8586CD397A47B2DC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTindgSE6phcXQAFvT_O7BgN5wHR3C4ImbEXXaiAH@mail.gmail.com>

Being boiled in a suit that is soaking wet is a real issue. We were
paddocked alongside a FF driver who had two suits, so if one got wet, he
would use the dry one. It made enough sense to him to justify having two
suits (probably due to a first hand experience!).

As for the cool suit, it's a closed loop system, surrounded by your drivers
suit, and is sewn into a nomex undershirt. The fluid is also constantly
moving through as long as the pump is still running. The only way I can see
it being a problem is if it is leaking in your drivers suit. Otherwise, I
think you would have much bigger problems before a fire burned through, or
burst the line from the heat.

- Bob


From jgambony at gcecisp.com  Mon Jun 14 19:55:42 2010
From: jgambony at gcecisp.com (Jim Gambony)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:55:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com><64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com><AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <9AAEBA63066F417E90D5DAD463985FF8@jrg>

Didn't there used to be a system that fed cool filtered air into the helmet?
At minimum it was a hose from the outside of the car into the helmet, if not
something more sophisticated?

I'm blowing a potential money making opportunity by suggesting this, but I'd
think a blower fan with an air line running through a cooler of icewater
into the helmet (with appropriate flame traps and maybe even a temp
sensitive cutoff) would get most of the same effect as a cool shirt, without
the burn potential from water turning to steam in the suit.

When the system is on you'd pull cool air into your helmet (and lungs)
cooling a good bit of the torso and the head.  

On one of the other racing forums someone had proposed the idea of dousing
his racing suit with a quart of water before the start as a way to keep
cool.. I suggested that it'd be ok unless the car catches fire.. Then the
advantage would be negated.    Dry air makes a good insulator, hence the
fiberglass bats in the walls/attic.  Water takes more energy to heat up, but
it conducts much too well.

Back to my idea.. With proper engineering and choice of materials it could
be done safely.    Anyone looking for such a system?



Cheers,

Jim
Dallas 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 4:29 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems

I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend to do
any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the Miata fire,
and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a fire, having water
which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines on the shirt which can
melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's worth.  Has this ever been
addressed - does SCCA allow these systems, and if so, how is it reconciled
with the requirement to wear fire- retardant materials?

On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these slips
over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a quick exit,
these things basically don't just slip off, either from my wrists or from
the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I don't like the idea of
a window net in lieu of arm restraints because it blocks visibility to the
side mirror.

On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:

For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the Miata and
the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe it to
yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
yourself -- I sure got a good lesson Chuck

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/


Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jgambony at gcecisp.com



No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2937 - Release Date: 06/14/10
13:35:00


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Mon Jun 14 20:04:03 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:04:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <9AAEBA63066F417E90D5DAD463985FF8@jrg>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com><64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com><AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
	<9AAEBA63066F417E90D5DAD463985FF8@jrg>
Message-ID: <BAD01804-BB27-4907-81D7-E5C16A39ECED@comcast.net>

'fraid somebody beat you to it. http://www.coolshirt.net/racing-cool-air-system.html 
   However, I tried one of the ventilation systems once w/o the  
cooler, and found that the corrugated hose to the helmet tended to get  
hung up on the edge of my aluminum seat, etc - really limited head  
movement.


On Jun 14, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Jim Gambony wrote:

Didn't there used to be a system that fed cool filtered air into the  
helmet?
At minimum it was a hose from the outside of the car into the helmet,  
if not
something more sophisticated?

I'm blowing a potential money making opportunity by suggesting this,  
but I'd
think a blower fan with an air line running through a cooler of icewater
into the helmet (with appropriate flame traps and maybe even a temp
sensitive cutoff) would get most of the same effect as a cool shirt,  
without
the burn potential from water turning to steam in the suit.

When the system is on you'd pull cool air into your helmet (and lungs)
cooling a good bit of the torso and the head.

On one of the other racing forums someone had proposed the idea of  
dousing
his racing suit with a quart of water before the start as a way to keep
cool.. I suggested that it'd be ok unless the car catches fire.. Then  
the
advantage would be negated.    Dry air makes a good insulator, hence the
fiberglass bats in the walls/attic.  Water takes more energy to heat  
up, but
it conducts much too well.

Back to my idea.. With proper engineering and choice of materials it  
could
be done safely.    Anyone looking for such a system?



Cheers,

Jim
Dallas

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 4:29 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems

I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend  
to do
any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the Miata  
fire,
and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a fire, having  
water
which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines on the shirt which  
can
melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's worth.  Has this ever  
been
addressed - does SCCA allow these systems, and if so, how is it  
reconciled
with the requirement to wear fire- retardant materials?

On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these slips
over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a quick  
exit,
these things basically don't just slip off, either from my wrists or  
from
the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I don't like the  
idea of
a window net in lieu of arm restraints because it blocks visibility to  
the
side mirror.

On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:

For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the  
Miata and
the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe  
it to
yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
yourself -- I sure got a good lesson Chuck

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/


Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jgambony at gcecisp.com



No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2937 - Release Date: 06/14/10
13:35:00


From jgambony at gcecisp.com  Mon Jun 14 20:13:22 2010
From: jgambony at gcecisp.com (Jim Gambony)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:13:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <BAD01804-BB27-4907-81D7-E5C16A39ECED@comcast.net>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com><64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com><AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
	<9AAEBA63066F417E90D5DAD463985FF8@jrg>
	<BAD01804-BB27-4907-81D7-E5C16A39ECED@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <7B65A1EF369343948723745AC1CBCBBB@jrg>

Scott,
 
That sounds more like a hose routing issue..not insurmountable.
 
Then again, I guess I'm a masochist.   Afterall, I moved to Dallas
voluntarily from the east coast (you need to experience a DC summer to
understand humidity) 20 years ago and now drive around in a car without a/c
during the summer.    Good training for vintage racing.
 
 
 
Cheers,
 
Jim
Dallas

  _____  

From: Scott Janzen [mailto:s.janzen at comcast.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:04 PM
To: Jim Gambony
Cc: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems


'fraid somebody beat you to it.
http://www.coolshirt.net/racing-cool-air-system.html  However, I tried one
of the ventilation systems once w/o the cooler, and found that the
corrugated hose to the helmet tended to get hung up on the edge of my
aluminum seat, etc - really limited head movement. 


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Mon Jun 14 21:29:51 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:29:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <66241AA5CA51471E9E31B3B221F99D5C@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Interesting feedback from all.

25 years ago, I used to soak the top of my nomex underwear in water on
really hot days.  I was always a bit concerned about it flashing to steam in
a fire, but it was mostly to keep me cool on pregrid.  By the second or
third lap, it was all evaporated.  Now days, I use a triple layer suit.
Never had a problem at speed, but then I have always raced open cars.

I have a Pyrotech helmet with an air feed as used on a lot of off road cars.
I bought it with the thought of blowing air into the helmet on rainy days to
keep the visor clear (we race mainly in Portland so...)  anyway, I've never
needed to use it, but the concept exists and is really not that expensive.

With regards to arm restraints, I just make sure that the loop on the
restraint is over the metal buckle and not up on the shoulder belt itself.
It falls off no problem.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 2:29 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems


I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend
to do any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the
Miata fire, and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a
fire, having water which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines
on the shirt which can melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's
worth.  Has this ever been addressed - does SCCA allow these systems,
and if so, how is it reconciled with the requirement to wear fire-
retardant materials?

On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these
slips over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a
quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my
wrists or from the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I
don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because
it blocks visibility to the side mirror.

On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:

For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the
Miata and
the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe
it to
yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
yourself -- I sure got a good lesson Chuck

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/


Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net


From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Jun 15 00:16:14 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:16:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <66241AA5CA51471E9E31B3B221F99D5C@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <20100615021614.8WHP7.772687.imail@fed1rmwml45>

Interesting.  In the GTP cars we found that , or rather Geoff Brabham found that, having a skull cap was just as good as a vest. We used to change the ice in the cool suit box on the the pit stops when using the vest. But, it it fails, you are hopeless. In the short races of the Vintage crowd, a skull cap should be perfect.
---- Norlin Engineering <norlinengineering at comcast.net> wrote: 

=============
Interesting feedback from all.

25 years ago, I used to soak the top of my nomex underwear in water on
really hot days.  I was always a bit concerned about it flashing to steam in
a fire, but it was mostly to keep me cool on pregrid.  By the second or
third lap, it was all evaporated.  Now days, I use a triple layer suit.
Never had a problem at speed, but then I have always raced open cars.

I have a Pyrotech helmet with an air feed as used on a lot of off road cars.
I bought it with the thought of blowing air into the helmet on rainy days to
keep the visor clear (we race mainly in Portland so...)  anyway, I've never
needed to use it, but the concept exists and is really not that expensive.

With regards to arm restraints, I just make sure that the loop on the
restraint is over the metal buckle and not up on the shoulder belt itself.
It falls off no problem.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 2:29 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems


I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend
to do any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the
Miata fire, and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a
fire, having water which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines
on the shirt which can melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's
worth.  Has this ever been addressed - does SCCA allow these systems,
and if so, how is it reconciled with the requirement to wear fire-
retardant materials?

On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these
slips over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a
quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my
wrists or from the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I
don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because
it blocks visibility to the side mirror.

On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:

For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the
Miata and
the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe
it to
yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
yourself -- I sure got a good lesson Chuck

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/


Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net



--
Never be beaten by equipment


From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Jun 15 00:16:29 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:16:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
In-Reply-To: <66241AA5CA51471E9E31B3B221F99D5C@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <20100615021629.LJAVS.772689.imail@fed1rmwml45>

Interesting.  In the GTP cars we found that , or rather Geoff Brabham found that, having a skull cap was just as good as a vest. We used to change the ice in the cool suit box on the the pit stops when using the vest. But, it it fails, you are hopeless. In the short races of the Vintage crowd, a skull cap should be perfect.
---- Norlin Engineering <norlinengineering at comcast.net> wrote: 

=============
Interesting feedback from all.

25 years ago, I used to soak the top of my nomex underwear in water on
really hot days.  I was always a bit concerned about it flashing to steam in
a fire, but it was mostly to keep me cool on pregrid.  By the second or
third lap, it was all evaporated.  Now days, I use a triple layer suit.
Never had a problem at speed, but then I have always raced open cars.

I have a Pyrotech helmet with an air feed as used on a lot of off road cars.
I bought it with the thought of blowing air into the helmet on rainy days to
keep the visor clear (we race mainly in Portland so...)  anyway, I've never
needed to use it, but the concept exists and is really not that expensive.

With regards to arm restraints, I just make sure that the loop on the
restraint is over the metal buckle and not up on the shoulder belt itself.
It falls off no problem.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 2:29 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems


I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend
to do any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the
Miata fire, and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a
fire, having water which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines
on the shirt which can melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's
worth.  Has this ever been addressed - does SCCA allow these systems,
and if so, how is it reconciled with the requirement to wear fire-
retardant materials?

On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these
slips over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a
quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my
wrists or from the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I
don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because
it blocks visibility to the side mirror.

On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:

For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the
Miata and
the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe
it to
yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
yourself -- I sure got a good lesson Chuck

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/


Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net



--
Never be beaten by equipment


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Tue Jun 15 20:27:43 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:27:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
Message-ID: <C168E90AFD9D4073B19D08AE7C129696@rocky>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>; "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems


> Hmmmm. My last race a couple weeks ago it was really hot so I decided to 
> go out without the Nomex underwear, just the multi-layer suit. After 
> reading that story I may never do that again (my previous season I did 
> four races in 100+ weather with full gear on -- not so bad really, 
> especially when impound greets you with a cold washcloth and a cup of 
> water).
>
> Got no answers on cool shirts. Never tried one. But I've always made sure 
> my bottom layer (regular underwear and socks under the Nomex undoes) was 
> 100% cotton, not polyester. I understand the cotton layer is worth another 
> 3-4 seconds of protection.
>
> Arm restraints ... me too. Always wondered why they didn't just put metal 
> D-rings on them. I saw someone put the cloth loops over the ends of the 
> shoulder harness, so I tried it. Didn't like it. I decided that was harder 
> to get loose then when I hooked them on the lap belt. My cuffs slip on, 
> like yours, and I wear them up around the elbows and will slide off easily 
> (but in an emergency escape that's an extra move). Makes me wonder about 
> the guys who have them sewn to their driver suits. BTW, you can get window 
> nets that are a finer mesh instead of inch-wide straps.
>
> --Rocky Entriken
>  GP (okay HP now) Spitfire
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
> To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 4:28 PM
> Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
>
>
>> I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
>> system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend
>> to do any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the
>> Miata fire, and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a
>> fire, having water which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines
>> on the shirt which can melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's
>> worth.  Has this ever been addressed - does SCCA allow these systems,
>> and if so, how is it reconciled with the requirement to wear fire-
>> retardant materials?
>>
>> On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these
>> slips over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a
>> quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my
>> wrists or from the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I
>> don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because
>> it blocks visibility to the side mirror.
>>
>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:
>>
>> For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the
>> Miata and
>> the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe
>> it to
>> yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
>> yourself -- I sure got a good lesson
>> Chuck
>>
>> http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/
>>
>>
>> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 16 00:16:12 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 08:16:12 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Arm restraints
In-Reply-To: <0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
References: <EEAEF0F8-1C02-4796-803C-059CDD44DAC7@ix.netcom.com>
	<64FF0670-D33E-4A93-8EDD-100B65C4612E@ix.netcom.com>
	<AANLkTikc8NYFEL9F3a-wxnc0XCP8fXctbG33SkZAMmft@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E2C5450-22D2-47F2-939A-E4570ED8D878@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000901cb0d1b$7445a330$5cd0e990$@com>

Scott,

I use two arm restraints in my open TR4. They are mandatory on the
Netherlands tracks.
They have a Velcro sling that catches the under arm at the ellbow, a double
steel rings to adjust the length for free movement at the steering and gear
lever and a small sling that is located to shoulder belts of the harness
where they docked into the lock.
If I open the harness then all arm restraints come free and I can escape
from the car.

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Scott Janzen
Gesendet: Montag, 14. Juni 2010 23:29
An: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems

........

On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these
slips over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a
quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my
wrists or from the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I
don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because
it blocks visibility to the side mirror.

.........


From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Jun 16 08:31:29 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:31:29 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Triumph ties to High Level Pasture Pool...
Message-ID: <936eb.6584ad7a.394a3a41@aol.com>

Amici...

I'm no golfer, nor Golf Aficionado, but I do know that TRIUMPH has some 
arm's length ties to the US Open starting today at Pebble Beach out west.  UK 
player Matt Richardson is, in fact, the grandson of Ken Richardson (RIP) 
exWorks Competition Director from TRIUMPH's Hey Day.  His Tee Time today is 5:20 
PM and tomorrow its 11:50 AM.

While this is VERY high level International Golf competition for Matt, it 
is not his first such effort.  He's no virgin.  Several years ago, he was a 
member of the UK Team in the America Golf Cup.  While his team did not do too 
well in the America Golf Cup that time, Matt actually played quite well, 
including some 'film at 11 PM shots'.  Perhaps he will shine again this trip.

Bill (Damdinger)

Aside to Kas:  You're a golfer!  With your born and bred competitive 
nature, you could be playing there too...in an all TRIUMPH related Team.


From jfrymark at aol.com  Wed Jun 16 14:56:18 2010
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:56:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 43, Issue 17
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1276711201.29569.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.3.1276711201.29569.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <571E0569-1DAD-4EE3-94DF-9F26A917224E@aol.com>

Rocky Entriken wrote: My cuffs slip on,
> like yours, and I wear them up around the elbows and will slide off  
> easily

Rocky, I was shown that arm restraint cuffs worn at the elbow take  
little force to pull up over the elbow rendering them practically  
useless. The goal is to restrain your lower arm from extending out of  
the "safe zone" of the cockpit. They should be worn on the forearm  
toward the wrist and tight enough that they can't be pulled up the  
arm, and the tether short enough that you can't extend your arm above  
head or outside the cockpit. Watch this video of Travis Pastrana  
rolling a rally car to see the potential danger of flailing arms:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Js_BYaU80w

"Stay safe my friends".(The least interesting Man in the World)


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Jun 17 16:25:06 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 18:25:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August
Message-ID: <8CCDC83117E94B0-1FCC-39D1@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com>

FOT,

I just heard a promising word on the Kastner prepared TR4 #37. It should be
ready for transport to Heartland Park in August.
It will be driven by it's owner, John Nikas.

There will be TWO Kastner Sebring TR4s at HRP as Jeff Snook is transporting
Keith Files' Sebring TR4.

Driver Keith Files will be flying in from London with his wife, Denise, and
ace TRIUMPH specialist, John Wood.

We may be having some musical surprises, too, but I will save that for another
time.

This is shaping up to being an unforgettable TRIUMPH RACING WEEKEND.

Regards,

Joe A


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Jun 17 20:12:32 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 22:12:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] NEW SCROLL SEALS FROM GERMANY...Corrected Factory Manual
 Mandril Dimensions and new ASSEMBLY MANDRILS.
Message-ID: <8CCDCA2D86899A5-1FCC-6B78@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com>

FOT LIST

Christian is going run another production run of his new combination
SCROLL/LIP SEAL.  The existing scroll seal requires a minor modification, but
the new Viton Lip Seal does not require the grinding of the crank.

If you want to be on a list of recipients of these seals, please let me know.
Christian will ship bulk to me and I will forward to you.

I had a fixture made to modify the OEM scroll seal, so if you would rather not
have this done yourself, I can make arrangements to have it done on an
exchange basis.

The new VITON SEAL will be passed through at my cost from Christian...at least
not to the FOT for the time being.

During the course of this project we discovered that others found an error in
the Factory Manual on the ASSEMBLY MANDRIL. I believe the credit goes largely
to Hardy Prentice. This correction has been reviewed by others, including
Christian, and verified.

Tim Murphy may have independently discovered this error and arrived at the
same conclusion.....

Kas' latest book was revised to reflect this dimension....

Moss Motors has been notified of the error......

To that end, I am producing a quantity of ASSEMBLY MANDRILS to the corrected
dimension. These will be offered to the FOT and others at a low cost.
(BTW, The new ASSEMBLY MANDRIL is designed so it can be used with the typical
engine stand......)

The VITON SEALS and the new ASSEMBLY MANDRIL will be available in about three
to four weeks.

Let me know and I will put you on a list and notify you when they become
available.

Joe A


From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Fri Jun 18 18:17:34 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 17:17:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Don Stanford:  The Red Car
Message-ID: <4C1C0C9E.4040904@greenheart.com>

Okay... so, as I mentioned in a prior post, I recently acquired this 
book off the internet after looking for it in used book stores for 
something like over 10 years! (After a Triumph newsgroup member 
mentioned the book and put out a request for it!)

Today, I finally sat down and read the book!   I felt I had to read it 
before shipping it off to one of my nephews!

What a great story!  It really took me back to my early days of 
discovering auto mechanics and tinkering on my first car at the age of 
15.  My own father wasn't that much different than the main character 
Hap's father.    He distanced himself from my work on the car and word 
was, he thought it would just be a good experience for me to tinker on 
the car, only to have the unfinished project sold off in a few months.  
He was right that it would be a good experience, he was wrong to think 
it would never be done.  A year later, the car was on the street, 
registered, and ready for his now 16 year old son to drive! 

I even had a moment with my father where he said my Triumph was only 
good for parades and shouldn't be driven on the highways.  I talked my 
dad into taking a drive in my car.   He drove it a few blocks and I 
couldn't take it.  He was going 25 mph in 3rd hear!  He was driving it 
like it was a Model A.   I took over the driver's seat and drove him to 
a straight away just a block from our home.  I asked him to be sure his 
seat belt was tight and just as he said it was, I floored it.  I chirped 
it into second, throwing his head back.  I chirped it into third, 
throwing his head back again. Before he knew it, I was in fourth going 
about 110 mph just as I downshifted and brought the car to a stop.   
Then I asked him if he still thought my car was only good for parades.  
And then I started to realize what I had just done... I had just driven 
like a maniac with my father in the car on a residential street near our 
house!  I wasn't sure what was going to come next!  He just sat there 
for a moment, got his bearings, took an overdue breath, exhaled, and 
asked, "Can we do that again?"    (I'm sure I shared that story here 
before, but it never gets old!)

And while I never had an old salt of a mechanic to teach me, like the 
character Frenchy, he certainly resembles a composite of men I looked up 
to in my youth.  And, yes, I had an older brother  that  I learned a lot 
from before I flipped it around and started teaching him!  : )

I have no doubt that I would have loved this book back then!  And I 
would highly recommend the book for grand kids, nephews, etc.  Or to 
adults that could use a lesson that might help them to understand the 
attraction to these beasts.

The book stands up to the 21st century pretty well.   The fact that 
there's no cell phones, Ipods, computers, etc. etc. in the story isn't 
even an issue.  And the dialogue isn't so full of out dated vocabulary 
that it draws attention to itself.  The main character, "the Red Car" is 
presented as an older model MG, so it just reads as an old British car.  
That 60 years has passed doesn't really matter.   About the only thing 
thing that might need a reality check for a young teen reading the book 
is that an old MG TC, with a little damage, isn't going to sell for 
$50.00.  And a $400 college fund isn't going to buy even the first 
semester's books!   Etc. 

Too bad it was published in 1954!   He probably wrote the book long 
before it was published.   If he had only waited a little longer, 
perhaps a TR2 would have been in the mix of the wonderful cars 
highlighted in the story.

--Justin Wagner


From jgambony at gcecisp.com  Fri Jun 18 21:17:29 2010
From: jgambony at gcecisp.com (Jim Gambony)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 22:17:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Don Stanford: The Red Car/ interesting period books and
 Fathers Day stories
In-Reply-To: <4C1C0C9E.4040904@greenheart.com>
References: <4C1C0C9E.4040904@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <C9CD490548554AF1AD1FCA3C964FE2BB@jrg>

Not to hijack Justin's idea but to augment it... ;)

Curious to see what other books FOT members read in their formative years.
I liked the John Tomerlin pair, "The Magnificent Jalopy" and his follow up
"The Nothing Special".   The first concerns a trio of high school seniors in
the mid-60s finding a '30s Packard in a chicken coop and with minimal prep
work going on a 1000 mile road rally from south California up to Oregon.
The second book is the story of their buying a Panhard based sports racer
and running at Riverside.   Things like "taking a cotton jacket and
fireproofing it" are just so quaint compared to what racers go through these
days.  Gives a better appreciation on how the sport (and safety) have
evolved in the past 50 years.

As to a Father's day story.. My father wasn't into racing as such but he did
not believe in speed limits as an absolute.  In the summer of '81 we went
from central NJ to Iowa, partly to visit family and partly for him to sell
me on going to Iowa State (didn't work, I'd been stuck in a snow drift for
half a day visiting family when I was 6).   At the beginning of the trip
he'd said "it's a long trip, don't worry too much about the speed limit".
Somewhere in mid-PA while he was napping I'd opened up the diesel Cadillac
Coupe DeVille and buried the speedometer needle well past the 85mph mark.
My father woke and realized we were a bit above the speedlimit.  In a total
show of control, he merely looked over and said "get the needle back".

And he did pay for my 76 in a 55 ticket in Iowa.   


Happy Fathers day, Dad.



Cheers,

Jim
Dallas



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Justin Wagner
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 7:18 PM
To: Friends of Triumph; Triumphs
Subject: [Fot] Don Stanford: The Red Car


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Fri Jun 18 23:18:16 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 22:18:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Don Stanford:  The Red Car
Message-ID: <29D0466F228B4C47B89998B33A5D7290@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Justin

Thanks for sharing that.  What a great story and just in time for Fathers
Day.  

My dad was a wonderful mechanic and trained me in much the same manner as
your's did.  My first car was a 1960 MGA that had lost 1st gear.  I got it
in 1968 for $400.  My mom drove down to Oregon State, where I was attending
college, in our '57 Chevy and towed it home to Portland.  I think that was
the only time she ever towed anything in her life and she was terrified.  I
was planning to work on the gearbox over the summer, but much to my
surprise, when I got back home after finals a couple of weeks later, my dad
had already rebuilt the tranny and the car was ready to go.

The greatest compliment he ever paid me was when we were together at the
race track one day and he told me I was a pretty darn good mechanic.  Can't
remember what I'd had to fix in a panic, but I'll never forget the moment.
I sure miss him.

Jim 


From riverside at southslope.net  Sat Jun 19 11:40:28 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 12:40:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] The Red Car
Message-ID: <001201cb0fd6$83056d20$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

The three most profound literary drivers of my automotive perversion
were The Red Car;   In the Track of Speed,  S. S. Moss's first
autobiography (race drivers sure scored with the chicks); and
John Fitch's autobiography.  All at about age 14

art de armond


From KENMUN at aol.com  Sat Jun 19 13:13:27 2010
From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 15:13:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] tr3 head gasket sealing
Message-ID: <94bba.199900c2.394e70d7@aol.com>

i'm having a lot of problems keeping a head gasket in my tr3 vintage racer. 
 they fail between the combustion chamber and the water passage. i'm using 
the  stock composite copper gasket. the head has about .140" removed. i 
install  the gasket smooth side up use copper coat on both sides. liners are up  
.002'/.004" from top of block.  any ideas/suggestions on how to fix this?  
thanks, ken m.


From billb at bnj.com  Sat Jun 19 20:42:28 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 19:42:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] tr3 head gasket sealing
In-Reply-To: <94bba.199900c2.394e70d7@aol.com>
References: <94bba.199900c2.394e70d7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <49A871B1-B78C-406B-958C-E06783454F9F@bnj.com>

Don't use the stock gasket. I know people swear that they make them work, but
I never have. Shim steel or mordy's copper gaskets, anything but those crapola
composite copper sandwiches. Designed to fail.


On Jun 19, 2010, at 12:13 PM, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:

> i'm having a lot of problems keeping a head gasket in my tr3 vintage racer.
> they fail between the combustion chamber and the water passage. i'm using
> the  stock composite copper gasket. the head has about .140" removed. i
> install  the gasket smooth side up use copper coat on both sides. liners are
up
> .002'/.004" from top of block.  any ideas/suggestions on how to fix this?
> thanks, ken m.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com


From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 19 22:34:16 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 21:34:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
Message-ID: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I finally have my head issues sorted out and ready to run in Seattle July 4
weekend.  The car seems to hesitate when I turn the car a sharp left.  Any
thoughts would be great.  

Mike


From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Jun 20 07:11:40 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 06:11:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C372F3E453A046EB9545BF964909F2FA@Bud>

hi Mike...1st check float level...then check position of the fork that sits 
atop the float to be sure it doesnt close the needle valve from centrifigal 
force..
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Mehl" <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 9:34 PM
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4


>I finally have my head issues sorted out and ready to run in Seattle July 4
> weekend.  The car seems to hesitate when I turn the car a sharp left.  Any
> thoughts would be great.
>
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net


From tlizzard at msn.com  Sun Jun 20 08:25:49 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 10:25:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS184DE9D445A9BFC47EBD72C3C20@phx.gbl>

Float level sounds like the first place to start, followed by fuel delivery.


Terry Stetler


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sun Jun 20 08:53:30 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 10:53:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] tr3 head gasket sealing
In-Reply-To: <94bba.199900c2.394e70d7@aol.com>
References: <94bba.199900c2.394e70d7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C1E2B6A.90806@blacksburg.net>

On 6/19/2010 3:13 PM, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
> i'm having a lot of problems keeping a head gasket in my tr3 vintage racer.
>   they fail between the combustion chamber and the water passage. i'm using
> the  stock composite copper gasket. the head has about .140" removed. i
> install  the gasket smooth side up use copper coat on both sides. liners are up
> .002'/.004" from top of block.  any ideas/suggestions on how to fix this?
> thanks, ken m.
> _______________________________________________
>    
Ken,
Did you measure all four corners of each sleeve?  It's important to have 
uniform protrusion.  WRT sealants, I've always had excellent results 
using Gasgasinch, by Edelbrock.

hth

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Jun 20 09:35:04 2010
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 11:35:04 EDT
Subject: [Fot] SAE pubs on dynos?
Message-ID: <b413f.1b0aedfa.394f8f28@aol.com>

Amici,
 
I'm struggling to learn about dyno operation, anybody know anything about  
SAE pub J606/607?  Apparently it details how to conduct a test?
 
Or better yet, point me to some learnin...;-))


From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Sun Jun 20 09:51:39 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 11:51:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] wheels
Message-ID: <01c301cb1090$7a0d2d10$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

Hi guys, has anyone had any experience with ROTA wheels? I'm looking for a
spare set for rain tires.
I saw these ROTA RB wheels; they look like Panasport knockoffs. Made in the
Phillipines. Decent price.
Good wheels or stay away?
Thanks, Bill


From adams910 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 20 11:33:23 2010
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 13:33:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] wheels
In-Reply-To: <01c301cb1090$7a0d2d10$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
References: <01c301cb1090$7a0d2d10$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilSK9N5fmll7SkmdULLthjcgT8aIv5f6Q2cPD2V@mail.gmail.com>

Bill,

They're a little heavy (13lbs for a 15x7?), but are popular with the Spec
Miata racers.

- Bob

On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 11:51 AM, WILLIAM TOBIN
<william.tobin3 at verizon.net>wrote:

> Hi guys, has anyone had any experience with ROTA wheels? I'm looking for a
> spare set for rain tires.
> I saw these ROTA RB wheels; they look like Panasport knockoffs. Made in the
> Phillipines. Decent price.
> Good wheels or stay away?
> Thanks, Bill
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/adams910 at gmail.com


From dave at microworks.net  Sun Jun 20 13:58:00 2010
From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 12:58:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] wheels
In-Reply-To: <01c301cb1090$7a0d2d10$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
References: <01c301cb1090$7a0d2d10$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <D162A6937DBC4644A9C4D43302B2B4D0@sys>

Bill Close (on the FOT List) sells wheels like these

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of WILLIAM TOBIN
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 8:52 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] wheels

Hi guys, has anyone had any experience with ROTA wheels? I'm looking for a
spare set for rain tires.
I saw these ROTA RB wheels; they look like Panasport knockoffs. Made in the
Phillipines. Decent price.
Good wheels or stay away?
Thanks, Bill
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dave at microworks.net


From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jun 20 17:31:13 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 16:31:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Building a new engine for the GT6
Message-ID: <523336.9503.qm@web180716.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I just dropped off a short block and I have one of the TR heads preferred for race preparation.

I want to build a safe,fun, easy revving engine for the GT6+ race car.  Spare engine...

I'm looking for ideas. I'm gonna needs some parts from the likes of Ted and Joe, I'm sure. I've already got all the parts together for the head.... now...for the short block... 
I'm looking for opinions and direction. Would like to hit 7000 rpm and be able to keep the engine together for 3-4 seasons.

Flat top pistons? Do I NEED forged pistons? Should I bore it .040 over? .030, .020 ??

I know I'm going to need the double row timing chain from the TR6, does the GT6 timing cover fit?

I DO have a Ric Cline cam and we are going to do cam bearings....

Looking for ideas and input... heck, if your build sheet shows up in an email, that will be swellllllll.......

All the best (too hot in Texas !!!)

Sent my registration in for Heartland in August, so ... the GT6 will be there.

Bobby Whitehead


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Jun 20 23:18:19 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 00:18:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>

Mike, the tops of the float bowls need to be oriented so that the 
pivot for the float is at the front or the rear, not to either side.

- Tony Drews

At 11:34 PM 6/19/2010, Mike Mehl wrote:
>I finally have my head issues sorted out and ready to run in Seattle July 4
>weekend.  The car seems to hesitate when I turn the car a sharp left.  Any
>thoughts would be great.
>
>Mike


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 21 00:26:54 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 08:26:54 +0200
Subject: [Fot] wheels
In-Reply-To: <01c301cb1090$7a0d2d10$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
References: <01c301cb1090$7a0d2d10$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <000901cb110a$bfb338d0$3f19aa70$@com>

Seems that this guy had some experiance:

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/8463/rotaposterkq9.jpg

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von WILLIAM TOBIN
Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. Juni 2010 17:52
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] wheels

Hi guys, has anyone had any experience with ROTA wheels? I'm looking for a
spare set for rain tires.
I saw these ROTA RB wheels; they look like Panasport knockoffs. Made in the
Phillipines. Decent price.
Good wheels or stay away?
Thanks, Bill
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com


From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 21 07:19:23 2010
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 06:19:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] wheels
Message-ID: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Now THAT is a funny poster. I have some friends that race Smash Miata that have tried them and have had failure after impacting various objects.
(which they do a lot)

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 21, 2010, at 1:26 AM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

Seems that this guy had some experiance:

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/8463/rotaposterkq9.jpg

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von WILLIAM TOBIN
Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. Juni 2010 17:52
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] wheels

Hi guys, has anyone had any experience with ROTA wheels? I'm looking for a
spare set for rain tires.
I saw these ROTA RB wheels; they look like Panasport knockoffs. Made in the
Phillipines. Decent price.
Good wheels or stay away?
Thanks, Bill
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 21 07:31:26 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 15:31:26 +0200
Subject: [Fot] wheels
In-Reply-To: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>

I don't expect quality rims from the Philippines (where do they get the
aluminum from?), you never would buy beer from the Philippines either.
I think you can get masses of high quality boat people from the Philippines
;-)

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Mike Munson [mailto:fasttrs at yahoo.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 21. Juni 2010 15:19
An: MadMarx
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] wheels

Now THAT is a funny poster. I have some friends that race Smash Miata that
have tried them and have had failure after impacting various objects.
(which they do a lot)

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 21, 2010, at 1:26 AM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

Seems that this guy had some experiance:

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/8463/rotaposterkq9.jpg

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von WILLIAM TOBIN
Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. Juni 2010 17:52
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] wheels

Hi guys, has anyone had any experience with ROTA wheels? I'm looking for a
spare set for rain tires.
I saw these ROTA RB wheels; they look like Panasport knockoffs. Made in the
Phillipines. Decent price.
Good wheels or stay away?
Thanks, Bill
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com


From adams910 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 21 08:51:10 2010
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 10:51:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] wheels
In-Reply-To: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikXj-8WKTbl2OIMFyhhaj9OHeWaEtb_N782dblR@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't seen them ever fail when used as intended (FYI: SM's are in the
2300-2400lb range, turn times faster than most vintage Triumph racers, and
they use all the curbing + some on a regular basis), and they're a pretty
common wheel. Granted if you hit a 3" wall of curbing head on they're going
to break, just as any other wheel would.

Take it for what it's worth

Bob


From adams910 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 21 09:14:55 2010
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 11:14:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] wheels
In-Reply-To: <005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>
References: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinsgWup24y3KLr9gKSX2ONz3DitEcXbuM-b68Dh@mail.gmail.com>

So going by that, if Bill wants to buy rain wheels for his car he's pretty
much left with companies like BBS, Jongbloed, CCW, Kodiak, etc.

I'm not exactly sure he's looking to spend $3k on a set of rain wheels.

Unfortunately, you're not going to find much in the way of good cast wheels,
without breaking the bank, without sourcing them from Asia.  Maybe
Superlight? In all seriousness, they work on Spec Miatas (FYI: the Spec
Miata lap record at Watkins Glen is a 2.17.0. This is faster than any
Triumph has ever gone except for Halkias' EP car.). I'm pretty sure they're
going to hold up in wet conditions on a TR6.

Later,

Bob


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 21 10:34:57 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:34:57 +0200
Subject: [Fot] wheels
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinsgWup24y3KLr9gKSX2ONz3DitEcXbuM-b68Dh@mail.gmail.com>
References: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>
	<AANLkTinsgWup24y3KLr9gKSX2ONz3DitEcXbuM-b68Dh@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007001cb115f$b0a59cc0$11f0d640$@com>

The current status here in Germany is that these wheels are off the street
now.

The German TUV wants to have a manufacturer proof (or how do you call this)
about the strength and durability of their wheels before they are allowed to
use on the road.

Rota dont supply this certification with their wheels so nobody can use
them legally here in Germany.



Von: Bob Adams [mailto:adams910 at gmail.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 21. Juni 2010 17:15
An: MadMarx
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] wheels



So going by that, if Bill wants to buy rain wheels for his car he's pretty
much left with companies like BBS, Jongbloed, CCW, Kodiak, etc.

I'm not exactly sure he's looking to spend $3k on a set of rain wheels.

Unfortunately, you're not going to find much in the way of good cast wheels,
without breaking the bank, without sourcing them from Asia.  Maybe
Superlight? In all seriousness, they work on Spec Miatas (FYI: the Spec
Miata lap record at Watkins Glen is a 2.17.0. This is faster than any
Triumph has ever gone except for Halkias' EP car.). I'm pretty sure they're
going to hold up in wet conditions on a TR6.

Later,

Bob


From jhd11 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 21 10:55:51 2010
From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:55:51 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Wheels
Message-ID: <COL118-W35C37C3F3C413D8592D212A9C30@phx.gbl>

     I have used Rotas auto-xing a Mini on R-rated Kumhos with good results.
Never had them on a track.  Re: Superlights, talk to Hap at Acme Speed Shop in
Greenville N.C.  He has had some good deals in the past.

Joe Downer

_________________________________________________________________
The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL
:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 21 11:39:45 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:39:45 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Eifelrace 300 km practice session
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinsgWup24y3KLr9gKSX2ONz3DitEcXbuM-b68Dh@mail.gmail.com>
References: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>
	<AANLkTinsgWup24y3KLr9gKSX2ONz3DitEcXbuM-b68Dh@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008901cb1168$beeaf010$3cc0d030$@com>

This video shows the 2nd fastest lap of my practice session:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bNcPI1e9Pw

 

Cheers

Chris


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 21 14:05:11 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:05:11 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Eifelrace 300 km practice session
In-Reply-To: <4C1FC593.4090808@pobox.com>
References: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>
	<AANLkTinsgWup24y3KLr9gKSX2ONz3DitEcXbuM-b68Dh@mail.gmail.com>
	<008901cb1168$beeaf010$3cc0d030$@com> <4C1FC593.4090808@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <00c101cb117d$0fd98950$2f8c9bf0$@com>

Wait for the wet race video and you would think your words over ;-)

 

Von: Larry Young [mailto:cartravel at pobox.com] 
Gesendet: Montag, 21. Juni 2010 22:04
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Eifelrace 300 km practice session

 

That looks pretty good.  You flew past some of those other cars.  Looks like
a fun track. 
Larry

MadMarx wrote: 

This video shows the 2nd fastest lap of my practice session:
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bNcPI1e9Pw
 
 
 
Cheers
 
Chris
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net
 
http://www.fot-racing.com
 
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com


From SpiwakD at aol.com  Mon Jun 21 18:49:45 2010
From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 20:49:45 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
Message-ID: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>

I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple Hydraulics  
and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my 1957.  
Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Mon Jun 21 21:05:50 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:05:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>

Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one that
leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess I'll
hold off on that now.

Tim
1961 TR4 #317

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:50 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple Hydraulics  
and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my 1957.  
Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Jun 22 00:59:36 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:59:36 +0200
Subject: [Fot]  Eifelrace 300 km
In-Reply-To: <687328.67400.qm@web46112.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>
	<AANLkTinsgWup24y3KLr9gKSX2ONz3DitEcXbuM-b68Dh@mail.gmail.com>
	<008901cb1168$beeaf010$3cc0d030$@com>
	<687328.67400.qm@web46112.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001401cb11d8$7b24ab80$716e0280$@com>

And the first part of the race



http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5485437581349389506



Cheers

Chris


From jaboruch at netzero.net  Tue Jun 22 05:34:42 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:34:42 GMT
Subject: [Fot] tr3 head gasket sealing
Message-ID: <20100622.073442.8317.1@webmail02.dca.untd.com>

This points out the need we have for a good modern Multi Layer head gasket.
While the steel shim gaskets will work, it takes a lot of time on my part to
add all the copper o-rings to make it work.  It would be great to have a head
gasket that I could just use as is.

About 5 years or so ago I checked with a manufacturer of multi layer gaskets
(Cometic) and the engineering costs were more than I could afford.  Maybe it's
time to check again?  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
To: KENMUN at aol.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] tr3 head gasket sealing
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 19:42:28 -0700

Don't use the stock gasket. I know people swear that they make them work, but
I never have. Shim steel or mordy's copper gaskets, anything but those
crapola
composite copper sandwiches. Designed to fail.


On Jun 19, 2010, at 12:13 PM, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:

> i'm having a lot of problems keeping a head gasket in my tr3 vintage racer.
> they fail between the combustion chamber and the water passage. i'm using
> the  stock composite copper gasket. the head has about .140" removed. i
> install  the gasket smooth side up use copper coat on both sides. liners
are
up
> .002'/.004" from top of block.  any ideas/suggestions on how to fix this?
> thanks, ken m.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net


____________________________________________________________
TODAY: iPads for $123.74?
ALERT: iPads are being auctioned for 95% off today!
http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c20a010a89f84dc9d4st02duc


From ikorey at comcast.net  Tue Jun 22 06:11:38 2010
From: ikorey at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 07:11:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikE9D6APShKq6hJrTVXtexE8_sGqb0_pVClw6zA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Tim Murphy <timmurph at fastbytes.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one that
> leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess I'll
> hold off on that now.
>


There's an excellent alternative to Apple. Peter at World Wide Imports of
Madison (WI)
has his own lever shock rebuilding operation. I visited his shop once, plus
we had him give a tech
session on lever shocks at the 2005 VTR Convention. He rebuilds levers on
site, adds seals
where the factory didn't have them, and stands behind his work. He will
custom valve your shocks, if
you want something other than stock. He also created an externally
adjustable lever to fit the TR6,
and I'm pretty sure he has them to fit TR4's. While he's not a TRiumph
guy, he IS a British car guy and drives one almost daily.

http://www.nosimport.com/?

NFI

Irv Korey


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 22 07:13:12 2010
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:13:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikE9D6APShKq6hJrTVXtexE8_sGqb0_pVClw6zA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>,
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>,
	<AANLkTikE9D6APShKq6hJrTVXtexE8_sGqb0_pVClw6zA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W34232CB07EC11F54FA9862BAC40@phx.gbl>

I vote with Irv. Have them on my TR6. No leaks, work great.



Marty

>
> There's an excellent alternative to Apple. Peter at World Wide Imports of
> Madison (WI)
> has his own lever shock rebuilding operation. I visited his shop once, plus
> we had him give a tech
> session on lever shocks at the 2005 VTR Convention. He rebuilds levers on
> site, adds seals
> where the factory didn't have them, and stands behind his work. He will
> custom valve your shocks, if
> you want something other than stock. He also created an externally
> adjustable lever to fit the TR6,
> and I'm pretty sure he has them to fit TR4's. While he's not a TRiumph
> guy, he IS a British car guy and drives one almost daily.
>
> http://www.nosimport.com/?
>
> NFI
>
> Irv Korey

_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL
:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Jun 22 07:42:39 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:42:39 +0200
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W34232CB07EC11F54FA9862BAC40@phx.gbl>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>,
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>,
	<AANLkTikE9D6APShKq6hJrTVXtexE8_sGqb0_pVClw6zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY123-W34232CB07EC11F54FA9862BAC40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001f01cb1210$c9225c00$5b671400$@com>

I have lever shocks.
They leak a little, they get topped up from time to time and work great,
also on bumpy tracks.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von marty sukey
Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Juni 2010 15:13
An: ikorey at comcast.net; timmurph at fastbytes.com
Cc: FOT
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

I vote with Irv. Have them on my TR6. No leaks, work great.



Marty

>
> There's an excellent alternative to Apple. Peter at World Wide Imports of
> Madison (WI)
> has his own lever shock rebuilding operation. I visited his shop once,
plus
> we had him give a tech
> session on lever shocks at the 2005 VTR Convention. He rebuilds levers on
> site, adds seals
> where the factory didn't have them, and stands behind his work. He will
> custom valve your shocks, if
> you want something other than stock. He also created an externally
> adjustable lever to fit the TR6,
> and I'm pretty sure he has them to fit TR4's. While he's not a TRiumph
> guy, he IS a British car guy and drives one almost daily.
>
> http://www.nosimport.com/?
>
> NFI
>
> Irv Korey

_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:W
L
:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jun 22 08:43:32 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:43:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikE9D6APShKq6hJrTVXtexE8_sGqb0_pVClw6zA@mail.gmail.c om>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<AANLkTikE9D6APShKq6hJrTVXtexE8_sGqb0_pVClw6zA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100622144236.0E0C11878E2@autox.team.net>

Jack had the custom valved, externally adjustable ones from Peter at 
World Wide Imports on his TR-4 and worked with Peter to get the 
location of the external plumbing in an accessible area.  He was very 
pleased with those.

- Tony Drews

At 07:11 AM 6/22/2010, Irv Korey wrote:
>On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Tim Murphy <timmurph at fastbytes.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one that
> > leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess I'll
> > hold off on that now.
> >
>
>
>There's an excellent alternative to Apple. Peter at World Wide Imports of
>Madison (WI)
>has his own lever shock rebuilding operation. I visited his shop once, plus
>we had him give a tech
>session on lever shocks at the 2005 VTR Convention. He rebuilds levers on
>site, adds seals
>where the factory didn't have them, and stands behind his work. He will
>custom valve your shocks, if
>you want something other than stock. He also created an externally
>adjustable lever to fit the TR6,
>and I'm pretty sure he has them to fit TR4's. While he's not a TRiumph
>guy, he IS a British car guy and drives one almost daily.
>
>http://www.nosimport.com/?
>
>NFI
>
>Irv Korey


From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Jun 22 09:25:15 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:25:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W34232CB07EC11F54FA9862BAC40@phx.gbl>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>,
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>,
	<AANLkTikE9D6APShKq6hJrTVXtexE8_sGqb0_pVClw6zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY123-W34232CB07EC11F54FA9862BAC40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4C20D5DB.9010607@pobox.com>

When I bought my TR3 it had tube shocks on it.  That caused me to lose a 
point with CVAR for authenticity.  I didn't know about World Wide 
Imports, so I bought rebuilt lever shocks from Roadster Factory and sold 
the tube shocks on Ebay.  I've never had any problems and can't tell any 
difference in handling.
Larry Young

marty sukey wrote:
> I vote with Irv. Have them on my TR6. No leaks, work great.
>
>
>
> Marty
>
>   
>> There's an excellent alternative to Apple. Peter at World Wide Imports of
>> Madison (WI)
>> has his own lever shock rebuilding operation. I visited his shop once, plus
>> we had him give a tech
>> session on lever shocks at the 2005 VTR Convention. He rebuilds levers on
>> site, adds seals
>> where the factory didn't have them, and stands behind his work. He will
>> custom valve your shocks, if
>> you want something other than stock. He also created an externally
>> adjustable lever to fit the TR6,
>> and I'm pretty sure he has them to fit TR4's. While he's not a TRiumph
>> guy, he IS a British car guy and drives one almost daily.
>>
>> http://www.nosimport.com/?
>>
>> NFI
>>
>> Irv Korey
>>     
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL
> :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com


From adams910 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 09:19:25 2010
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:19:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Mid Ohio
Message-ID: <AANLkTillYdombGwualW3G6zO_gWX70eIMmFSTXuguDpv@mail.gmail.com>

I'm surprised by the lack of Triumph entries. Anyone going? It looks like
car counts are up slightly, probably something to do with HSR losing its
date to the Bobby Rahal Group at Watkins Glen.


Group 3 is shaping up to be a barn burner.
http://svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/attachmentweb/EJEN-7Z4QY8/$file/Entry+List+-+By+Name.pdf?OpenElement

Bob


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 22 10:25:06 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:25:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <4C20D5DB.9010607@pobox.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>,
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>,
	<AANLkTikE9D6APShKq6hJrTVXtexE8_sGqb0_pVClw6zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY123-W34232CB07EC11F54FA9862BAC40@phx.gbl>
	<4C20D5DB.9010607@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <6D31A7DB-CBB7-49B9-A04A-C6E5FD43C9C6@earthlink.net>

I have lever shocks on my dad's old TR3.  Stock with thicker shock oil  
for racing.   They leak as originally designed, but they leak very  
slowly over time.  Other slowly seeping parts include the engine,  
trans, and diff.  Also, the grease fittings on the driveshaft and  
suspension points are greasy inside and out.

~Steve



On Jun 22, 2010, at 8:25 AM, Larry Young wrote:

When I bought my TR3 it had tube shocks on it.  That caused me to lose a
point with CVAR for authenticity.  I didn't know about World Wide
Imports, so I bought rebuilt lever shocks from Roadster Factory and sold
the tube shocks on Ebay.  I've never had any problems and can't tell any
difference in handling.
Larry Young

marty sukey wrote:
> I vote with Irv. Have them on my TR6. No leaks, work great.
>
>
>
> Marty
>
>
>> There's an excellent alternative to Apple. Peter at World Wide  
>> Imports of
>> Madison (WI)
>> has his own lever shock rebuilding operation. I visited his shop  
>> once, plus
>> we had him give a tech
>> session on lever shocks at the 2005 VTR Convention. He rebuilds  
>> levers on
>> site, adds seals
>> where the factory didn't have them, and stands behind his work. He  
>> will
>> custom valve your shocks, if
>> you want something other than stock. He also created an externally
>> adjustable lever to fit the TR6,
>> and I'm pretty sure he has them to fit TR4's. While he's not a  
>> TRiumph
>> guy, he IS a British car guy and drives one almost daily.
>>
>> http://www.nosimport.com/?
>>
>> NFI
>>
>> Irv Korey
>>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from  
> your inbox.
> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL
> :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 22 10:32:02 2010
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:32:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Mid Ohio
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTillYdombGwualW3G6zO_gWX70eIMmFSTXuguDpv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTillYdombGwualW3G6zO_gWX70eIMmFSTXuguDpv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W29091AB2CA8651DF307B2ABAC40@phx.gbl>

Jason and I will be there to lend moral support.  Seems as though Triumphs at
Mid-Ohio have been few and far between for a few years now.



Marty

> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:19:25 -0400
> From: adams910 at gmail.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] SVRA Mid Ohio
>
> I'm surprised by the lack of Triumph entries. Anyone going? It looks like
> car counts are up slightly, probably something to do with HSR losing its
> date to the Bobby Rahal Group at Watkins Glen.
>
>
> Group 3 is shaping up to be a barn burner.
>
http://svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/attachmentweb/EJEN-7Z4QY8/$file/Entry+List+
-+By+Name.pdf?OpenElement
>
> Bob
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com
>
>

_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL
:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Jun 22 10:46:02 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:46:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Mid Ohio
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTillYdombGwualW3G6zO_gWX70eIMmFSTXuguDpv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTillYdombGwualW3G6zO_gWX70eIMmFSTXuguDpv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CCE04188B987EB-740-4E6A@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>

Bob,

Blackhawk Farms and Mosport are popular events for TRs.   I wonder if that
doesnt draw folks away.

I suspect there are other reasons, too.

Joe A





-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:19 am
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Mid Ohio


I'm surprised by the lack of Triumph entries. Anyone going? It looks like
ar counts are up slightly, probably something to do with HSR losing its
ate to the Bobby Rahal Group at Watkins Glen.

roup 3 is shaping up to be a barn burner.
ttp://svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/attachmentweb/EJEN-7Z4QY8/$file/Entry+List+-
+By+Name.pdf?OpenElement
Bob
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Jun 22 11:11:59 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 13:11:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO  UPDATE
Message-ID: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>

Even though I didnt enter the Ambro, I did take it to Blackhawk Farms.

It now has been teched and has a VSCDA LOGBOOK.

Weight check showed a 49% front and 51% rear bias w/out driver.

It seems to have good manners at TOURING SPEEDS.

As you can tell, I am in no hurry to run it in anger.

Might run it at Heartland Park...at least thats the plan.


From tedtsimx at bright.net  Tue Jun 22 11:38:52 2010
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 13:38:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio vintage race
Message-ID: <4C20F52C.8010109@bright.net>

Hello lists.  We will be at Mid-Ohio all week end with our parts and 
apparel trailer. Main location in the paddock with a second booth in the 
infield for Saturday's Brit car show. If you need me to bring anything 
to the track,please let me know.Stop by and say hello.Thanks, Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Jun 22 12:31:04 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:31:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio vintage race
In-Reply-To: <4C20F52C.8010109@bright.net>
References: <4C20F52C.8010109@bright.net>
Message-ID: <8CCE0503520CF78-D48-B42@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>

Ted,

Are you coming to Heartland Park in August?  We will have no less than 25
Triumphs running the Kastner Cup and an a very strong club presence in
designated corrals.

Vendor spots are only $100 for each for 10 X 20 spaces.

Thanks,

Joe Alexander








-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Schumacher <tedtsimx at bright.net>
To: 6pack at autox.team.net; Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>;
spitfires at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net; nass at yahoogroups.com; TR8
CCCA Listing <tr8 at mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:38 pm
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio vintage race


Hello lists. We will be at Mid-Ohio all week end with our parts and apparel
trailer. Main location in the paddock with a second booth in the infield for
Saturday's Brit car show. If you need me to bring anything to the track,please
let me know.Stop by and say hello.Thanks, Ted

-- Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com


From jhouathome at aol.com  Tue Jun 22 12:41:04 2010
From: jhouathome at aol.com (jhouathome at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:41:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO  UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CCE0519A6D4FD8-2260-5FD2@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com>

I will add to Joe's post that it is a BEAUTIFUL car, and very well done.  If
you have not see it it is well worth the trip to the track just to see the
Ambro.  Well done Joe!
John





-----Original Message-----
From: n197tr4 at cs.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:11 pm
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO UPDATE


Even though I didnt enter the Ambro, I did take it to Blackhawk Farms.
It now has been teched and has a VSCDA LOGBOOK.
Weight check showed a 49% front and 51% rear bias w/out driver.
It seems to have good manners at TOURING SPEEDS.
As you can tell, I am in no hurry to run it in anger.
Might run it at Heartland Park...at least thats the plan.
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com


From jhouathome at aol.com  Tue Jun 22 12:41:09 2010
From: jhouathome at aol.com (jhouathome at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:41:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO  UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CCE0519D94434B-2260-5FD7@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com>

I will add to Joe's post that it is a BEAUTIFUL car, and very well done.  If
you have not see it it is well worth the trip to the track just to see the
Ambro.  Well done Joe!
John





-----Original Message-----
From: n197tr4 at cs.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:11 pm
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO UPDATE


Even though I didnt enter the Ambro, I did take it to Blackhawk Farms.
It now has been teched and has a VSCDA LOGBOOK.
Weight check showed a 49% front and 51% rear bias w/out driver.
It seems to have good manners at TOURING SPEEDS.
As you can tell, I am in no hurry to run it in anger.
Might run it at Heartland Park...at least thats the plan.
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Tue Jun 22 13:00:40 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:00:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cover car
Message-ID: <7B2C31BA493B4DFCA2B48053F8828245@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Friends

I have to share the following link:

http://www.nwr-scca.org/regional/newsletter/2010/Jun10/NWSCN_0610_Pg1.pdf

The Spitfire made the cover of Northwest Region SCCA's newsletter.  The
weekend was one of survival as the conditions kept changing.  This was the
double National over Memorial Day weekend.

Jim


From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Jun 22 13:28:37 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:28:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO  UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C210EE5.6070809@pobox.com>

So, what is the total weight?  I've heard they are not much lighter than 
a TR3 or TR4. - Larry

n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> Even though I didnt enter the Ambro, I did take it to Blackhawk Farms.
>
> It now has been teched and has a VSCDA LOGBOOK.
>
> Weight check showed a 49% front and 51% rear bias w/out driver.
>
> It seems to have good manners at TOURING SPEEDS.
>
> As you can tell, I am in no hurry to run it in anger.
>
> Might run it at Heartland Park...at least thats the plan.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Jun 22 13:35:48 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:35:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO  UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <8CCE0519A6D4FD8-2260-5FD2@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CCE0519A6D4FD8-2260-5FD2@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CCE059402F1F46-D48-1BD6@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>

Ya but, wait until you see John's KELLISON....to be unveiled at Kohler
International Challenge.

And frankly, Dennis DeLap's TVR SPECIAL drew a lot more attention than the
AMBRO did at Blackhawk.

Pretty satisfying stuff to go out of the box on production cars and build
something 'different'.

Thanks, John

Joe A






-----Original Message-----
From: jhouathome at aol.com
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMBRO UPDATE



I will add to Joe's post that it is a BEAUTIFUL car, and very well done.  If
you have not see it it is well worth the trip to the track just to see the
Ambro.  Well done Joe!
John





-----Original Message-----
From: n197tr4 at cs.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:11 pm
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO UPDATE


Even though I didnt enter the Ambro, I did take it to Blackhawk Farms.
It now has been teched and has a VSCDA LOGBOOK.
Weight check showed a 49% front and 51% rear bias w/out driver.
It seems to have good manners at TOURING SPEEDS.
As you can tell, I am in no hurry to run it in anger.
Might run it at Heartland Park...at least thats the plan.
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Jun 22 13:56:36 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:56:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO  UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <4C210EE5.6070809@pobox.com>
References: <8CCE045288D11AA-740-54E2@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
	<4C210EE5.6070809@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <8CCE05C2819EEAB-1570-CB@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>

I wasnt going to say.

But since you asked...it was 1847#

A concerted effort might have yielded 1700# without spending any extra money.

Spending a lot of money might have yielded 1650#

Just a guess........

How fast do you want to go?....how much do you want to spend?

I suspect that the AMBRO will do what I need it to.

This engine likely could use a Larry Young Cam and another engine for the
street.

Grandson Brendan took me to dinner in it twice while at Blackhawk Farms. How
cool is that?

I think he wants to go to drivers school. Alexander Racing is going to sign
him to a lifetime contract.

Joe A







-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMBRO UPDATE


So, what is the total weight?  I've heard they are not much lighter than a TR3
or TR4. - Larry

n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
Even though I didnt enter the Ambro, I did take it to Blackhawk Farms.
It now has been teched and has a VSCDA LOGBOOK.
Weight check showed a 49% front and 51% rear bias w/out driver.
It seems to have good manners at TOURING SPEEDS.
As you can tell, I am in no hurry to run it in anger.
Might run it at Heartland Park...at least thats the plan.
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
rchive: http://www.team.net/archive
orums: http://www.team.net/forums
nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com


From stutzmans at comcast.net  Tue Jun 22 14:51:52 2010
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:51:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
Message-ID: <A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>

One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  Its OK if they leak a bit 
because you can add fluid.  Can't do that with tube shocks.
Bruce
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion


> Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one that
> leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess I'll
> hold off on that now.
>
> Tim
> 1961 TR4 #317
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:50 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
> I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple Hydraulics
> and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my 1957.
> Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun 22 15:09:30 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:09:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

<< One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  >>

Just mild curiosity from a Spitfire guy...what's the knock on lever
shocks?  What is it that they do badly that tube shocks do better?

Scott (B.)

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Stutzman
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:52 PM
To: Tim Murphy; SpiwakD at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  Its OK if they leak a
bit
because you can add fluid.  Can't do that with tube shocks.
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion


> Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one
that
> leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess
I'll
> hold off on that now.
>
> Tim
> 1961 TR4 #317
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
On
> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:50 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
> I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple
Hydraulics
> and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my
1957.
> Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jun 22 15:20:33 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:20:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Shock Fluid / Lever Shocks
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1006221718100.17577@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

Does anyone in this group use the various shock fluid available from 
RedLine in thier lever shoX? If so, which weight(s).

Just curious. I have a pint or two sitting on the shelf and I'm thinking 
of draining and refilling the shocks in the race car for a test.

regards,
rml
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Lang              Triumph TR6!!            |  This space for rent
2010 NER Solo Chair                            |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
---------------------------------------------------------------------------


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Jun 22 15:46:39 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:46:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <001401cb1254$658f3cf0$30adb6d0$@com>

Leak??

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:10 PM
To: Stutzman; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

<< One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  >>

Just mild curiosity from a Spitfire guy...what's the knock on lever
shocks?  What is it that they do badly that tube shocks do better?

Scott (B.)

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Stutzman
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:52 PM
To: Tim Murphy; SpiwakD at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  Its OK if they leak a
bit
because you can add fluid.  Can't do that with tube shocks.
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion


> Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one
that
> leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess
I'll
> hold off on that now.
>
> Tim
> 1961 TR4 #317
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
On
> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:50 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
> I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple
Hydraulics
> and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my
1957.
> Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun 22 15:49:17 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:49:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <001401cb1254$658f3cf0$30adb6d0$@com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<001401cb1254$658f3cf0$30adb6d0$@com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA5C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

I mean, aside from that.  Doesn't everything leak?  :-)

Do tube shocks out-perform lever shocks in some other way?



-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Murphy [mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:47 PM
To: Barr, Scott; 'Stutzman'; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

Leak??

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:10 PM
To: Stutzman; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

<< One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  >>

Just mild curiosity from a Spitfire guy...what's the knock on lever
shocks?  What is it that they do badly that tube shocks do better?

Scott (B.)

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Stutzman
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:52 PM
To: Tim Murphy; SpiwakD at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  Its OK if they leak a
bit
because you can add fluid.  Can't do that with tube shocks.
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion


> Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one
that
> leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess
I'll
> hold off on that now.
>
> Tim
> 1961 TR4 #317
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
On
> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:50 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
> I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple
Hydraulics
> and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my
1957.
> Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com


From tedtsimx at bright.net  Tue Jun 22 16:40:08 2010
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:40:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net>

Scott, shocks - the Brits really do use the correct term, dampers - 
serve to dampen wheel up & down movement.  The difference happens when  
there is a rapid series of up/down oscillations.  The lever shock can 
"foam" the fluid so the damping effect is lost since the shock fluid is 
now foam rather than pure fluid. Tube shocks do not "foam" so the 
damping effect is consistent. Ted


Barr, Scott wrote:
> << One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  >>
>
> Just mild curiosity from a Spitfire guy...what's the knock on lever
> shocks?  What is it that they do badly that tube shocks do better?
>
> Scott (B.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Stutzman
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:52 PM
> To: Tim Murphy; SpiwakD at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
> One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  Its OK if they leak a
> bit
> because you can add fluid.  Can't do that with tube shocks.
> Bruce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
> To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
>
>   
>> Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one
>>     
> that
>   
>> leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess
>>     
> I'll
>   
>> hold off on that now.
>>
>> Tim
>> 1961 TR4 #317
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
>>     
> On
>   
>> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:50 PM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>>
>> I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple
>>     
> Hydraulics
>   
>> and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my
>>     
> 1957.
>   
>> Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>> Unsubscribe:
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>> Unsubscribe:
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tedtsimx at bright.net
Internal Virus Database is out of date.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2910 - Release Date: 06/01/10
06:25:00


From billbab at me.com  Tue Jun 22 17:11:41 2010
From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:11:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  TR3 rear shock conversion
References: <AC28B171-F345-489B-97B4-0B6C3FEFF6D0@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <BB2DE3ED-89C1-4ADF-BDBA-7B192F1E8E1B@me.com>

This almost certainly boinked since I forgot to trim off the extra bits. 


The construction has a lot of limitations. Modern racing shocks have precisely controlled damping that doesn't change much as the shock is stroked repeatedly. They use sealed air chambers or other means to prevent gasses from being introduced into the shock oil, the stroke of the shock is full travel so the damping in both directions can be controlled effectively, and the oil volume is relatively large so it doesn't heat quickly. Lever shocks have small oil capacity, a very short stroke (amplified by the arm) no gas/oil separation, and very limited control. The end result is a shock that looks completely inconsistent on a shock dyno. 

Fortunately our cars are equally unsophisticated in almost every aspect of suspension, steering, and braking. In other words you can't tell how badly they suck (or how much less a modern shock doesn't) because everything around them sucks. 

Bottom line to your question, tube shocks out perform them in every way except that you don't already have them on your car. 

There is a reason why you can get around a typical race track faster in a modern grocery getter than in a vintage production racer. That reason is EVERYTHING. 

> On Jun 22, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Barr, Scott wrote:
> 
>> I mean, aside from that.  Doesn't everything leak?  :-)
>> 
>> Do tube shocks out-perform lever shocks in some other way?


From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Jun 22 19:44:43 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:44:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
Message-ID: <20100622214443.LVVCE.867620.imail@fed1rmwml41>

Actually you can add oil to a tube shock or even change the oil to a heavier grade.  You drill at the top of the cylinder a small hole and tap it for a 10/32 thread (or larger), drain the oil, or add oil, slowly I'll admit, then insert a 10/32 threaded bolt (or whatever size you drilled and taped) with locktite and it is over.  I have done it many times. It is easier if you drill two holes so that when replenishing the oil the air has a way to escape and thus hasten the filling process. It is wise not to go crazy with the hole size as you have very little metal to tap. No, I have never tried welding up the hole.
---- Stutzman <stutzmans at comcast.net> wrote: 

=============
One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  Its OK if they leak a bit 
because you can add fluid.  Can't do that with tube shocks.
Bruce
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion


> Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one that
> leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess I'll
> hold off on that now.
>
> Tim
> 1961 TR4 #317
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:50 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
> I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple Hydraulics
> and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my 1957.
> Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net



--
Never be beaten by equipment


From billb at bnj.com  Tue Jun 22 20:24:00 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:24:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <20100622214443.LVVCE.867620.imail@fed1rmwml41>
References: <20100622214443.LVVCE.867620.imail@fed1rmwml41>
Message-ID: <C88BAC87-E473-467A-B186-464F08A9CF19@bnj.com>

A lot of tube shocks are rebuildable and refillable.
On Jun 22, 2010, at 6:44 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:

> Actually you can add oil to a tube shock or even change the oil to a heavier
grade.  You drill at the top of the cylinder a small hole and tap it for a
10/32 thread (or larger), drain the oil, or add oil, slowly I'll admit, then
insert a 10/32 threaded bolt (or whatever size you drilled and taped) with
locktite and it is over.  I have done it many times. It is easier if you drill
two holes so that when replenishing the oil the air has a way to escape and
thus hasten the filling process. It is wise not to go crazy with the hole size
as you have very little metal to tap. No, I have never tried welding up the
hole.
> ---- Stutzman <stutzmans at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> =============
> One of the few nice things about lever shocks.  Its OK if they leak a bit
> because you can add fluid.  Can't do that with tube shocks.
> Bruce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
> To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
>
>> Thanks for the report on the Apple Hydraulics rebuild.  We have one that
>> leaks a bit and I was considering sending it in this winter.  Guess I'll
>> hold off on that now.
>>
>> Tim
>> 1961 TR4 #317
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:50 PM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>>
>> I'm tired of my leaking lever shocks. Had them rebuilt by Apple Hydraulics
>> and no improvement. I tried a conversion kit, but it wouldn't fit my 1957.
>> Suggestions are welcomed from anyone who has done it.
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>> Unsubscribe:
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>> Unsubscribe:
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net
>
>
>
> --
> Never be beaten by equipment
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com


From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Tue Jun 22 20:34:30 2010
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 22:34:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Shocks going bad at the wrong time
Message-ID: <8FBE0408FD914193BD16DEE79BD463BE@Bucktailus>

How would you like pulling up to  the starting grid knowing that your right
rear shock is completely dead? That happened to me at the last race I ran in
Germany in the summer of 1956.  I drove to the track and felt the something
was wrong. Did the old fender pushing trick and found the I had NO resistance
at all, either down or rebound on the right rear.  What to do but to go
racing. Airport circuit with drainage ditches filled partial with sand.  Great
sport, but you just drive over adversities. Did OK, I won the race against a
V8 Fiat. Boy, was he mad.
Bob Johns


From billb at bnj.com  Tue Jun 22 21:26:14 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:26:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Shocks going bad at the wrong time
In-Reply-To: <8FBE0408FD914193BD16DEE79BD463BE@Bucktailus>
References: <8FBE0408FD914193BD16DEE79BD463BE@Bucktailus>
Message-ID: <18A6764D-A4A8-41F0-A96E-FBA4606B9178@bnj.com>

At Watkins Glen I broke off both very expensive Penske tube shocks that we had
just mounted on the rear of Peyote. The mounts weren't quite right, they bound
and broke off at full violent bump. finished the race without shocks and did
OK. Went back to Armstrongs. We should probably revisit that, but it gets
around OK on what it's got.

On Jun 22, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Robert Johns wrote:

> How would you like pulling up to  the starting grid knowing that your right
> rear shock is completely dead?


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 23 00:51:54 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 08:51:54 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Eifelrace 300 km
In-Reply-To: <A93258EFB0444587B3758F8538145E8C@latitudefb1e41>
References: <897358.1582.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com><AANLkTinsgWup24y3KLr9gKSX2ONz3DitEcXbuM-b68Dh@mail.gmail.com><008901cb1168$beeaf010$3cc0d030$@com><687328.67400.qm@web46112.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<001401cb11d8$7b24ab80$716e0280$@com>
	<A93258EFB0444587B3758F8538145E8C@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <002001cb12a0$9285a310$b790e930$@com>

Carb #1 catched dirt.

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Bob Kramer [mailto:rkramer3 at austin.rr.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Juni 2010 19:03
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Eifelrace 300 km


Fuel problem?


Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch
excellence.
Vince Lombardi
----- Original Message -----
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 1:59 AM
Subject: [Fot] Eifelrace 300 km


> And the first part of the race
>
>
>
> http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5485437581349389506
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 23 01:02:17 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 09:02:17 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Shock Fluid / Lever Shocks
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1006221718100.17577@isis.mit.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1006221718100.17577@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <002601cb12a2$068061f0$138125d0$@com>

I use mixtures of EP680 and EP 320 oil.
I go softer on bumpy tracks and stiffer on smooth ones.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Robert M. Lang
Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Juni 2010 23:21
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Shock Fluid / Lever Shocks

Hi,

Does anyone in this group use the various shock fluid available from
RedLine in thier lever shoX? If so, which weight(s).

Just curious. I have a pint or two sitting on the shelf and I'm thinking
of draining and refilling the shocks in the race car for a test.

regards,
rml
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Lang              Triumph TR6!!            |  This space for rent
2010 NER Solo Chair                            |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com


From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jun 23 08:59:58 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 09:59:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <4C22216E.8070706@pobox.com>

Is CVAR the only vintage racing organization that requires lever shocks 
for authenticity?

I've had a TR250 since new and in all that time, I've had to replace one 
leaking shock.  Am I just lucky?
Larry


From ikorey at comcast.net  Wed Jun 23 09:50:34 2010
From: ikorey at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 10:50:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <4C22216E.8070706@pobox.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4C22216E.8070706@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilBPA9wc05bhO1hBTpySzZT91nzQe5b4NEaEyiF@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:

> Is CVAR the only vintage racing organization that requires lever shocks for
> authenticity?
>

No. However, TR4's were allowed rear tube shock conversions in one of the
early SCCA GCR's (1961?), so with that in hand, I never had an issue when I
presented my TR4 with tube shock conversion for tech inspections (thanks to
Bill Dentinger for mentoring me on that).

I've had a TR250 since new and in all that time, I've had to replace one
> leaking shock.  Am I just lucky?
>

I don't think so. I never had to replace any in my TR6, also purchased new,
for leaking.

Irv Korey


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Jun 23 11:20:26 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 12:20:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilBPA9wc05bhO1hBTpySzZT91nzQe5b4NEaEyiF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4C22216E.8070706@pobox.com>
	<AANLkTilBPA9wc05bhO1hBTpySzZT91nzQe5b4NEaEyiF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0877756D50@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

If you built your car to that GCR "year' and could prove it, CVAR would allow
it without points deduction. You just can't mix and match different allowable
specs from various GCR years to cherry pick what you want. CVAR allows SCCA
prepared cars up to 1972 GCR, with that year as the default if you don't have
the appropriate year GCR..

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
We are as happy as we make up our minds to be.
  ~ Abraham Lincoln


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Irv Korey
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:51 AM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:

> Is CVAR the only vintage racing organization that requires lever shocks for
> authenticity?
>

No. However, TR4's were allowed rear tube shock conversions in one of the
early SCCA GCR's (1961?), so with that in hand, I never had an issue when I
presented my TR4 with tube shock conversion for tech inspections (thanks to
Bill Dentinger for mentoring me on that).

I've had a TR250 since new and in all that time, I've had to replace one
> leaking shock.  Am I just lucky?
>

I don't think so. I never had to replace any in my TR6, also purchased new,
for leaking.

Irv Korey
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com


From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jun 23 12:10:20 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 13:10:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0877756D50@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4C22216E.8070706@pobox.com>
	<AANLkTilBPA9wc05bhO1hBTpySzZT91nzQe5b4NEaEyiF@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0877756D50@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <4C224E0C.1060100@pobox.com>

I tried not to learn too much about the rules, so I wouldn't knowingly 
cheat.  I believe CVAR group 4 is supposed to follow the 1961 GCR (if I 
remember correctly).  Apparently, tube shocks would be ok for a TR4, but 
not for a TR3.
Larry

Kramer, Robert wrote:
> If you built your car to that GCR "year' and could prove it, CVAR would allow it without points deduction. You just can't mix and match different allowable specs from various GCR years to cherry pick what you want. CVAR allows SCCA prepared cars up to 1972 GCR, with that year as the default if you don't have the appropriate year GCR..
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sales Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35
> Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-272-4141 Office
> 512-657-8526 Cell
> We are as happy as we make up our minds to be. 
>   ~ Abraham Lincoln  


From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jun 23 14:13:23 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 13:13:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0877756D50@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <20100623161323.1SQG9.875450.imail@fed1rmwml30>

I was racing in SCCA all during the 60's and early 70's and never saw a GCR that allowed tube shocks on the TR-3,4,250 0r TR 6. BUT, there should have been as I tried to homologate them and they refused. I did all the homologation from 1963 thru 1972 for Triumph and the tube shocks were never on the allowed list nor in the FREE parts sections..
---- "Kramer wrote: 

=============
If you built your car to that GCR "year' and could prove it, CVAR would allow
it without points deduction. You just can't mix and match different allowable
specs from various GCR years to cherry pick what you want. CVAR allows SCCA
prepared cars up to 1972 GCR, with that year as the default if you don't have
the appropriate year GCR..

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
We are as happy as we make up our minds to be.
  ~ Abraham Lincoln


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Irv Korey
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:51 AM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:

> Is CVAR the only vintage racing organization that requires lever shocks for
> authenticity?
>

No. However, TR4's were allowed rear tube shock conversions in one of the
early SCCA GCR's (1961?), so with that in hand, I never had an issue when I
presented my TR4 with tube shock conversion for tech inspections (thanks to
Bill Dentinger for mentoring me on that).

I've had a TR250 since new and in all that time, I've had to replace one
> leaking shock.  Am I just lucky?
>

I don't think so. I never had to replace any in my TR6, also purchased new,
for leaking.

Irv Korey
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net



--
Never be beaten by equipment


From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jun 23 14:21:35 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 13:21:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <4C224E0C.1060100@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <20100623162135.NSF1A.875554.imail@fed1rmwml30>

There was a big shakeup in the SCCA when they merged with the California Sports Car Club and the Cal Clubs production car regulations. I was in charge of that portion of the merger for the Cal Club. That is when the SCCA went to performance classes instead of displacement classes.   Things changed a bunch, so you might check those dates pretty carefully. Before the Cal Club rules it was a factory option list that was allowed, but after it was a on a direct annual homologation paper listing all the pieces for the car and not necessarily an option list. Only those options okayed by the competition committee were allowed.
---- Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote: 

=============
I tried not to learn too much about the rules, so I wouldn't knowingly 
cheat.  I believe CVAR group 4 is supposed to follow the 1961 GCR (if I 
remember correctly).  Apparently, tube shocks would be ok for a TR4, but 
not for a TR3.
Larry

Kramer, Robert wrote:
> If you built your car to that GCR "year' and could prove it, CVAR would allow it without points deduction. You just can't mix and match different allowable specs from various GCR years to cherry pick what you want. CVAR allows SCCA prepared cars up to 1972 GCR, with that year as the default if you don't have the appropriate year GCR..
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sales Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35
> Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-272-4141 Office
> 512-657-8526 Cell
> We are as happy as we make up our minds to be. 
>   ~ Abraham Lincoln  
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net



--
Never be beaten by equipment


From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 23 17:53:34 2010
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 23:53:34 +0000
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.4.1638252553.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

Hi Tony and Mike-

I have the same problem. Unfortunately, the current float bowl tops and 3 screw configuration doesn't give me this option.  All I can do is turn them 180 degrees. No space for fuel line if I place the pivot front or rear.   

Are there options or different tops for the bowls that can help solve this problem that folks are aware of?

Coming out of left handers right now floods badly and allows others to make some great passes!

Thx in advance for the help

Ty


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 00:18:19 
To: Mike Mehl<mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; Triumph Friends of<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4

Mike, the tops of the float bowls need to be oriented so that the 
pivot for the float is at the front or the rear, not to either side.

- Tony Drews

At 11:34 PM 6/19/2010, Mike Mehl wrote:
>I finally have my head issues sorted out and ready to run in Seattle July 4
>weekend.  The car seems to hesitate when I turn the car a sharp left.  Any
>thoughts would be great.
>
>Mike
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com


From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Jun 23 19:04:46 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:04:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>
	<20100624001004.09101187950@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <CA4EC15F71A2459AB225DA529E5475E1@Bud>

Hi tyler...with your carbs on the right side of the engine, a right hand 
turn wil 'starve' your carbs..not flood them...you will probably have enough 
fuel in the float bowl when you go into the turn to get you through it..then 
you're out of gas at the exit..
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
To: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>; <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>; 
"MikeMehl" <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4


> Hi Tony and Mike-
>
> I have the same problem. Unfortunately, the current float bowl tops and 3 
> screw configuration doesn't give me this option.  All I can do is turn 
> them 180 degrees. No space for fuel line if I place the pivot front or 
> rear.
>
> Are there options or different tops for the bowls that can help solve this 
> problem that folks are aware of?
>
> Coming out of left handers right now floods badly and allows others to 
> make some great passes!
>
> Thx in advance for the help
>
> Ty
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 00:18:19
> To: Mike Mehl<mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; Triumph Friends of<fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
>
> Mike, the tops of the float bowls need to be oriented so that the
> pivot for the float is at the front or the rear, not to either side.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 11:34 PM 6/19/2010, Mike Mehl wrote:
>>I finally have my head issues sorted out and ready to run in Seattle July 
>>4
>>weekend.  The car seems to hesitate when I turn the car a sharp left.  Any
>>thoughts would be great.
>>
>>Mike
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net


From GRMTim at aol.com  Wed Jun 23 20:20:20 2010
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 22:20:20 EDT
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Mid Ohio
Message-ID: <3a3dc.2a3c4a68.39541ae4@aol.com>

We will be running the TR3 and we have some sixty entrants in our Classic 
Motorsports Small-bore Cup race.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jun 24 00:23:09 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 01:23:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20100624062226.861B518763E@autox.team.net>

With the 3 screws, there are 3 theoretical orientations of the float 
bowl tops.  Normally with the pivot at 90 to the centerline of the 
car, you will have the fuel line coming out to the right or to the 
left - I forget how the overflow line orientation goes.

You can mostly see it in this picture of Jack's car:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Done08engineR.jpg

My recollection is that the pivot is at the front on the front carb 
and at the rear on the rear carb.

Do whatever you have to do to the fuel line routing to get this 
orientation, it's very important.  We could reliably cause a major 
stumble in either right or left hand corners with any other float 
bowl top orientation.

You can swap the tops between carbs if that helps.

- Tony

At 06:53 PM 6/23/2010, tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:
>Hi Tony and Mike-
>
>I have the same problem. Unfortunately, the current float bowl tops 
>and 3 screw configuration doesn't give me this option.  All I can do 
>is turn them 180 degrees. No space for fuel line if I place the 
>pivot front or rear.
>
>Are there options or different tops for the bowls that can help 
>solve this problem that folks are aware of?
>
>Coming out of left handers right now floods badly and allows others 
>to make some great passes!
>
>Thx in advance for the help
>
>Ty
>
>
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
>Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
>Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 00:18:19
>To: Mike Mehl<mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; Triumph Friends of<fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
>
>Mike, the tops of the float bowls need to be oriented so that the
>pivot for the float is at the front or the rear, not to either side.
>
>- Tony Drews
>
>At 11:34 PM 6/19/2010, Mike Mehl wrote:
> >I finally have my head issues sorted out and ready to run in Seattle July 4
> >weekend.  The car seems to hesitate when I turn the car a sharp left.  Any
> >thoughts would be great.
> >
> >Mike
>_______________________________________________
>fot at autox.team.net
>
>http://www.fot-racing.com
>
>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>Unsubscribe: 
>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Thu Jun 24 02:09:52 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:09:52 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Universal Joint Tool
Message-ID: <FAB0A594-46BF-4499-A9B8-745DCA1B8E6E@comcast.net>

Any recommendations for a good quality universal joint disassembly  
tool?  I'm tired of struggling with a vice, hammer and other odd bits.


From gaf3 at charter.net  Thu Jun 24 07:18:36 2010
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:18:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Universal Joint Tool
In-Reply-To: <FAB0A594-46BF-4499-A9B8-745DCA1B8E6E@comcast.net>
References: <FAB0A594-46BF-4499-A9B8-745DCA1B8E6E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4C235B2C.2020106@charter.net>

OTC Ball Joint Press
It's shaped like a C clamp and is used for u-joint removal without using 
the adapters.
It is about $100 and comes with a series of adapters and carrying case 
for pushing our pressed in ball joints.
Been using one for ~20years and it works great.
Glenn


Scott Janzen wrote:
> Any recommendations for a good quality universal joint disassembly  
> tool?  I'm tired of struggling with a vice, hammer and other odd bits.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net


From cartravel at pobox.com  Thu Jun 24 09:05:20 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:05:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <20100624062226.861B518763E@autox.team.net>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>
	<20100624062226.861B518763E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4C237430.1030504@pobox.com>

Tony,
If I remember correctly, I had to make another inlet by drilling another 
hole and inserting a tube using JB Weld.  The original tubes had to be 
capped.  I remember going all over town trying to find caps of the 
proper size.  I ended up with this goofy cap arrangement, but it works.  
Here are a couple of photos for those emailed directly. Everyone 
discovers this problem.  Sounds like a good item for TonyDrews.com
Larry

Tony Drews wrote:
> With the 3 screws, there are 3 theoretical orientations of the float 
> bowl tops.  Normally with the pivot at 90 to the centerline of the 
> car, you will have the fuel line coming out to the right or to the 
> left - I forget how the overflow line orientation goes.
>
> You can mostly see it in this picture of Jack's car:
> http://www.tonydrews.com/Done08engineR.jpg
>
> My recollection is that the pivot is at the front on the front carb 
> and at the rear on the rear carb.
>
> Do whatever you have to do to the fuel line routing to get this 
> orientation, it's very important.  We could reliably cause a major 
> stumble in either right or left hand corners with any other float bowl 
> top orientation.
>
> You can swap the tops between carbs if that helps.
>
> - Tony

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of HS6Carb03.JPG]

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of HS6Carb02.JPG]


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Jun 24 10:02:24 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:02:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Universal Joint Tool
In-Reply-To: <4C235B2C.2020106@charter.net>
References: <FAB0A594-46BF-4499-A9B8-745DCA1B8E6E@comcast.net>
	<4C235B2C.2020106@charter.net>
Message-ID: <02ba01cb13b6$a3307a70$e9916f50$@rr.com>

> OTC Ball Joint Press
> It's shaped like a C clamp and is used for u-joint removal without
> using
> the adapters.

FWIW, here's a link to the OTC tool
http://www.otctools.com/products/u-joint_removing-installing_tool

And here's a link to the cheap HF clone
http://tinyurl.com/2fbm6cg
(currently on sale for $40)

Personally, I think I'll go on using the shop press (which cost me about the
same as the OTC tool, and comes in handy for lots of other things <G>)

-- Randall 


From ikorey at comcast.net  Thu Jun 24 10:19:08 2010
From: ikorey at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:19:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <20100624000955.A2F39187960@autox.team.net>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>
	<20100624000955.A2F39187960@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimIJx4y7acIwDt3NWssOlZZ_ZKzODCCpydaw_3H@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Tony and Mike-
>
> I have the same problem. Unfortunately, the current float bowl tops and 3
> screw configuration doesn't give me this option.  All I can do is turn them
> 180 degrees. No space for fuel line if I place the pivot front or rear.
>
> Are there options or different tops for the bowls that can help solve this
> problem that folks are aware of?
>

It took me a while to remember this, as I did this so many years ago, but I
bought alternate HS6 float bowl covers from Joe Curto. From another,
non-TRiumph car, these covers had 2 tubes each, one for the fuel inlet, and
the other for the vent (replacing the hole and sheet metal cover vent
arrangement that were on my HS6's). Once aligned as Tony and others have
described, I had no more stumble out of the corners. An additional benefit
was that having a tube on the vents made it easy for me to run vent hoses
down and away from the engine bay.

http://www.joecurto.com/

NFI.

Irv Korey


From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 24 10:30:59 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:30:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Bring a Trailer daily mail TRIUMPH ITALIA FOR SALE
Message-ID: <60362DC3CF8941BBA8FF31A4002CAA72@Bud>

Bring a Trailer



            BaT Exclusive: 1960 Triumph Italia 2000 Project
            The Triumph Italia 2000 was deigned by Michelotti and built by
Vignale in Italy on a TR3 rolling chassis. The similarities to the later TR4
are unmistakable, and many consider this model to have been Michelotti's
design prototype for that model. About 329 examples were produced between 1959
and 1962. This car (Serial No. TS62649) has been stored since 1966. It runs
but needs substantial restoration, and is complete aside from bumpers, one
dash gauge, and the inside passenger door handle. Find it available in
Northwest Connecticut for $15k or best higher offer. Contact us at
mail at bringatrailer.com if you are interested.





            Continue reading at Bring a Trailer ;



            The Lovely Brute: 1968 McLaren M6B
            This 1968 McLaren M6B #50-07 is from the early Can-Am years before
the cars became more winged and radical. It's lines are perfect, and it has
been totally restored to new condition and not yet raced. Historical photos
and logbook are included showing the car's history at Road America, Mont
Tremblant, Bridgehampton, and Watkins Glen among other venues. Find it here on
eBay in Sumner, Washington. Special thanks to BaT reader Brian B. for this
submission!





            Continue reading at Bring a Trailer ;



            Non-Russian: 1957 Tatra 805 Radio Command
            This 1957 Tatra 805 Radio Command Unit is a one of very few 805's
in North America and is very original. This model is the Czech answer to the
UNIMOG, and features portal axles and locking differentials. Don't expect to
get anywhere quickly with the 60hp air-cooled engine, but not much will stand
in your way. Find it here on Kijiji in Ontario, Canada for $5000 (CDN?).
Special thanks to BaT reader Val T. for this submission!





            Continue reading at Bring a Trailer ;







            This message was intended for budscars at comcast.net. To
unsubscribe, click here.

            Copyright 2010 Bring a Trailer, LLC


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Jun 24 15:29:32 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 14:29:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net>
Message-ID: <005701cb13e4$56558eb0$0300ac10$@rr.com>

> The lever shock can
> "foam" the fluid so the damping effect is lost since the shock fluid is
> now foam rather than pure fluid.

Seems to me that it would be pretty trivial to fix that, if it is really a
problem.  The solution is the same as implemented in (some) tube shocks; add
a divider between the fluid and the expansion (air) space, so there is no
way for the fluid to get mixed with air (aka foam).

For lever shocks, I'm thinking of an external canister with a bladder in it,
somewhat similar to an Accusump (but much smaller of course).  Tap the top
cover of the lever shock for a fitting, run a line to the canister mounted
on a frame rail.  Since relatively little pressure is involved (just
whatever is generated as the shock heats up and forces oil into the
canister), the plumbing should be easy.  Hardest part is probably filling
and bleeding the air out of the hydraulic side.

Even some tube shocks use this setup:
http://www.shockabsorbersworld.com/shocks-reservoirs.html

-- Randall 


From billb at bnj.com  Thu Jun 24 16:21:56 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:21:56 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <005701cb13e4$56558eb0$0300ac10$@rr.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net> <005701cb13e4$56558eb0$0300ac10$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <E4116A85-91E2-4C95-8452-142993F71CD3@bnj.com>

It almost certainly will solve that problem, which leaves all the rest. I
think the biggest problem is structural--the damping has to happen over a very
short stroke. The lever greatly amplifies the distance to give adequate
travel, but that means the damping has to be much stronger to give a similar
damping force, and occurs over a small stroke. I think the stroke is important
because of the time required for the valving to respond and how fast the fluid
has to move.

That's all just theory, the bottom line is that when you put an armstrong on a
shock dyno it looks horrible. A classic shock damping profile looks like a D
laying on it's back. An armstrong profile looks more like a seismograph during
an earthquake. I know Tony Garmey and Jeff Quick fiddled with armstrongs on
Tony's shock dyno. I don't know if they ever got any improvement. I didn't see
their work, I put all of mine on a shock dyno here in Portland, hoping to
match them up and play with the valving. The guy who ran their dyno thought
they were broken. They weren't.

On Jun 24, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Randall wrote:

>> The lever shock can
>> "foam" the fluid so the damping effect is lost since the shock fluid is
>> now foam rather than pure fluid.
>
> Seems to me that it would be pretty trivial to fix that, if it is really a
> problem.  The solution is the same as implemented in (some) tube shocks;
add
> a divider between the fluid and the expansion (air) space, so there is no
> way for the fluid to get mixed with air (aka foam).
>
> For lever shocks, I'm thinking of an external canister with a bladder in
it,
> somewhat similar to an Accusump (but much smaller of course).  Tap the top
> cover of the lever shock for a fitting, run a line to the canister mounted
> on a frame rail.  Since relatively little pressure is involved (just
> whatever is generated as the shock heats up and forces oil into the
> canister), the plumbing should be easy.  Hardest part is probably filling
> and bleeding the air out of the hydraulic side.
>
> Even some tube shocks use this setup:
> http://www.shockabsorbersworld.com/shocks-reservoirs.html
>
> -- Randall
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com


From adams910 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 24 17:08:59 2010
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:08:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <E4116A85-91E2-4C95-8452-142993F71CD3@bnj.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net> <005701cb13e4$56558eb0$0300ac10$@rr.com>
	<E4116A85-91E2-4C95-8452-142993F71CD3@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimdatmHBtKuw_8-D--GtejDQCtNmrcWCpHz0Dwd@mail.gmail.com>

Be careful with using reservoirs with lever shocks. Most, if not all vintage
organizations, and some of the SCCA classes explicitly forbid remote
reservoir shocks. They make no discretion as whether it applies to lever or
tube shocks.


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Jun 24 17:44:45 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 16:44:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimdatmHBtKuw_8-D--GtejDQCtNmrcWCpHz0Dwd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net> <005701cb13e4$56558eb0$0300ac10$@rr.com>
	<E4116A85-91E2-4C95-8452-142993F71CD3@bnj.com>
	<AANLkTimdatmHBtKuw_8-D--GtejDQCtNmrcWCpHz0Dwd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007001cb13f7$3a48cad0$aeda6070$@rr.com>

> Most, if not all
> vintage
> organizations, and some of the SCCA classes explicitly forbid remote
> reservoir shocks.

Good point, I didn't know that. 

Making the bladder integral with the top cover would be a little trickier
... but only a little.

-- Randall 


From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 24 17:52:18 2010
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 23:52:18 +0000
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimIJx4y7acIwDt3NWssOlZZ_ZKzODCCpydaw_3H@mail.gmail.com>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net><20100624000955.A2F39187960@autox.team.net><AANLkTimIJx4y7acIwDt3NWssOlZZ_ZKzODCCpydaw_3H@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.5.1638252553.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

Joe Curto is going to see if he has other tops to address this issue. 

If not, he indicated he has seen some racers remove the ears on the tops and use large washers to hold the tops down.  
Ty
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Irv Korey <ikorey at comcast.net>
Sender: emanteno at gmail.com
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:19:08 
To: <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
Cc: Tony Drews<tony at tonydrews.com>; <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>; Mike Mehl<mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; Triumph Friends of<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Tony and Mike-
>
> I have the same problem. Unfortunately, the current float bowl tops and 3
> screw configuration doesn't give me this option.  All I can do is turn them
> 180 degrees. No space for fuel line if I place the pivot front or rear.
>
> Are there options or different tops for the bowls that can help solve this
> problem that folks are aware of?
>

It took me a while to remember this, as I did this so many years ago, but I
bought alternate HS6 float bowl covers from Joe Curto. From another,
non-TRiumph car, these covers had 2 tubes each, one for the fuel inlet, and
the other for the vent (replacing the hole and sheet metal cover vent
arrangement that were on my HS6's). Once aligned as Tony and others have
described, I had no more stumble out of the corners. An additional benefit
was that having a tube on the vents made it easy for me to run vent hoses
down and away from the engine bay.

http://www.joecurto.com/

NFI.

Irv Korey


From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 24 17:55:03 2010
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 23:55:03 +0000
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimIJx4y7acIwDt3NWssOlZZ_ZKzODCCpydaw_3H@mail.gmail.com>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net><20100624000955.A2F39187960@autox.team.net><AANLkTimIJx4y7acIwDt3NWssOlZZ_ZKzODCCpydaw_3H@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.6.1638252553.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

Joe Curto is going to see if he has other tops to address this issue. 

If not, he indicated he has seen some racers remove the ears on the tops and use large washers to hold the tops down.  
Ty
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Irv Korey <ikorey at comcast.net>
Sender: emanteno at gmail.com
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:19:08 
To: <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
Cc: Tony Drews<tony at tonydrews.com>; <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>; Mike Mehl<mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; Triumph Friends of<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Tony and Mike-
>
> I have the same problem. Unfortunately, the current float bowl tops and 3
> screw configuration doesn't give me this option.  All I can do is turn them
> 180 degrees. No space for fuel line if I place the pivot front or rear.
>
> Are there options or different tops for the bowls that can help solve this
> problem that folks are aware of?
>

It took me a while to remember this, as I did this so many years ago, but I
bought alternate HS6 float bowl covers from Joe Curto. From another,
non-TRiumph car, these covers had 2 tubes each, one for the fuel inlet, and
the other for the vent (replacing the hole and sheet metal cover vent
arrangement that were on my HS6's). Once aligned as Tony and others have
described, I had no more stumble out of the corners. An additional benefit
was that having a tube on the vents made it easy for me to run vent hoses
down and away from the engine bay.

http://www.joecurto.com/

NFI.

Irv Korey


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Jun 24 19:22:40 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 20:22:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net><20100624000955.A2F39187960@autox.team.net><AANLkTimIJx4y7acIwDt3NWssOlZZ_ZKzODCCpydaw_3H@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100625002721.945C5187684@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <B18DAD5C34524477A4879C877FD463E4@latitudefb1e41>

I think the Volvo HS6 top work. I've bought a bunch of these over the years 
and converted them to TR4 spec. TR4 HS6's are expensive but you can buy a 
pair of Volvo's for $50 sometimes.


Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
excellence.
Vince Lombardi
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
To: "Irv Korey" <ikorey at comcast.net>; <emanteno at gmail.com>
Cc: <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>; "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4


> Joe Curto is going to see if he has other tops to address this issue.
>
> If not, he indicated he has seen some racers remove the ears on the tops 
> and use large washers to hold the tops down.
> Ty


From horizonracing at msn.com  Thu Jun 24 20:37:56 2010
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:37:56 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <E4116A85-91E2-4C95-8452-142993F71CD3@bnj.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>,
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>,
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>,
	<4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net>
	<005701cb13e4$56558eb0$0300ac10$@rr.com>,
	<E4116A85-91E2-4C95-8452-142993F71CD3@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <SNT141-w232EF25B7F1FC35CAE0CB2B2C70@phx.gbl>

To Answer Bills Question, I do get improvement out of Lever Shocks. The
Biggest thing in using the Dyno is making sure that one matches the
other...and also in some cases moving the arms on the pivot shaft because the
car has been lowered so that the  pistons do not

bottom out.



Who's racing at the KIC ?? I'll be racing there in  something other than a TR
(sorry !)



> From: billb at bnj.com
> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:21:56 -0700
> To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
>
> It almost certainly will solve that problem, which leaves all the rest. I
> think the biggest problem is structural--the damping has to happen over a
very
> short stroke. The lever greatly amplifies the distance to give adequate
> travel, but that means the damping has to be much stronger to give a
similar
> damping force, and occurs over a small stroke. I think the stroke is
important
> because of the time required for the valving to respond and how fast the
fluid
> has to move.
>
> That's all just theory, the bottom line is that when you put an armstrong on
a
> shock dyno it looks horrible. A classic shock damping profile looks like a
D
> laying on it's back. An armstrong profile looks more like a seismograph
during
> an earthquake. I know Tony Garmey and Jeff Quick fiddled with armstrongs on
> Tony's shock dyno. I don't know if they ever got any improvement. I didn't
see
> their work, I put all of mine on a shock dyno here in Portland, hoping to
> match them up and play with the valving. The guy who ran their dyno thought
> they were broken. They weren't.
>
> On Jun 24, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Randall wrote:
>
> >> The lever shock can
> >> "foam" the fluid so the damping effect is lost since the shock fluid is
> >> now foam rather than pure fluid.
> >
> > Seems to me that it would be pretty trivial to fix that, if it is really
a
> > problem. The solution is the same as implemented in (some) tube shocks;
> add
> > a divider between the fluid and the expansion (air) space, so there is no
> > way for the fluid to get mixed with air (aka foam).
> >
> > For lever shocks, I'm thinking of an external canister with a bladder in
> it,
> > somewhat similar to an Accusump (but much smaller of course). Tap the top
> > cover of the lever shock for a fitting, run a line to the canister
mounted
> > on a frame rail. Since relatively little pressure is involved (just
> > whatever is generated as the shock heats up and forces oil into the
> > canister), the plumbing should be easy. Hardest part is probably filling
> > and bleeding the air out of the hydraulic side.
> >
> > Even some tube shocks use this setup:
> > http://www.shockabsorbersworld.com/shocks-reservoirs.html
> >
> > -- Randall
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
> > http://www.fot-racing.com
> >
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com


From billb at bnj.com  Thu Jun 24 21:16:21 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 20:16:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <SNT141-w232EF25B7F1FC35CAE0CB2B2C70@phx.gbl>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com><000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>,
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>,
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>,
	<4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net>
	<005701cb13e4$56558eb0$0300ac10$@rr.com>,
	<E4116A85-91E2-4C95-8452-142993F71CD3@bnj.com>
	<SNT141-w232EF25B7F1FC35CAE0CB2B2C70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F59E63A2-07F4-4423-9F21-BEB32E48D56B@bnj.com>

What's a KIC?

On Jun 24, 2010, at 7:37 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote:

> To Answer Bills Question, I do get improvement out of Lever Shocks. The
Biggest thing in using the Dyno is making sure that one matches the
other...and also in some cases moving the arms on the pivot shaft because the
car has been lowered so that the  pistons do not
> bottom out.
>
> Who's racing at the KIC ?? I'll be racing there in  something other than a
TR (sorry !)
>
>
> > From: billb at bnj.com
> > Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:21:56 -0700
> > To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com
> > CC: fot at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
> >
> > It almost certainly will solve that problem, which leaves all the rest. I
> > think the biggest problem is structural--the damping has to happen over a
very
> > short stroke. The lever greatly amplifies the distance to give adequate
> > travel, but that means the damping has to be much stronger to give a
similar
> > damping force, and occurs over a small stroke. I think the stroke is
important
> > because of the time required for the valving to respond and how fast the
fluid
> > has to move.
> >
> > That's all just theory, the bottom line is that when you put an armstrong
on a
> > shock dyno it looks horrible. A classic shock damping profile looks like a
D
> > laying on it's back. An armstrong profile looks more like a seismograph
during
> > an earthquake. I know Tony Garmey and Jeff Quick fiddled with armstrongs
on
> > Tony's shock dyno. I don't know if they ever got any improvement. I didn't
see
> > their work, I put all of mine on a shock dyno here in Portland, hoping to
> > match them up and play with the valving. The guy who ran their dyno
thought
> > they were broken. They weren't.
> >
> > On Jun 24, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Randall wrote:
> >
> > >> The lever shock can
> > >> "foam" the fluid so the damping effect is lost since the shock fluid
is
> > >> now foam rather than pure fluid.
> > >
> > > Seems to me that it would be pretty trivial to fix that, if it is really
a
> > > problem. The solution is the same as implemented in (some) tube shocks;
> > add
> > > a divider between the fluid and the expansion (air) space, so there is
no
> > > way for the fluid to get mixed with air (aka foam).
> > >
> > > For lever shocks, I'm thinking of an external canister with a bladder
in
> > it,
> > > somewhat similar to an Accusump (but much smaller of course). Tap the
top
> > > cover of the lever shock for a fitting, run a line to the canister
mounted
> > > on a frame rail. Since relatively little pressure is involved (just
> > > whatever is generated as the shock heats up and forces oil into the
> > > canister), the plumbing should be easy. Hardest part is probably
filling
> > > and bleeding the air out of the hydraulic side.
> > >
> > > Even some tube shocks use this setup:
> > > http://www.shockabsorbersworld.com/shocks-reservoirs.html
> > >
> > > -- Randall
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > fot at autox.team.net
> > >
> > > http://www.fot-racing.com
> > >
> > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
> > http://www.fot-racing.com
> >
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> > Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com


From mpendy at dishmail.net  Thu Jun 24 22:04:16 2010
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 21:04:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net><20100624000955.A2F39187960@autox.team.net><AANLkTimIJx4y7acIwDt3NWssOlZZ_ZKzODCCpydaw_3H@mail.gmail.com><20100625002721.945C5187684@autox.team.net>
	<B18DAD5C34524477A4879C877FD463E4@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <5A5B2DB12B40429680CCD8DC906F63B6@Pendys>

The float bowls that i have , have a center bolt to hold the cap on , this 
allows me to position the float arms any which way. Also prior owners put 
the rear carb bowl to the front of the carb( so both float bowls are to the 
right looking at the throats) for whatever reason . These carbs  also vented 
to the wheelhouse ............Mark P
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Kramer" <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
To: <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Irv Korey" <ikorey at comcast.net>; "Triumph Friends of" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4


>I think the Volvo HS6 top work. I've bought a bunch of these over the years 
>and converted them to TR4 spec. TR4 HS6's are expensive but you can buy a 
>pair of Volvo's for $50 sometimes.
>
>
> Bob Kramer
> Volente, TX
>
> Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
> excellence.
> Vince Lombardi
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
> To: "Irv Korey" <ikorey at comcast.net>; <emanteno at gmail.com>
> Cc: <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>; "Triumph Friends of" 
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
>
>
>> Joe Curto is going to see if he has other tops to address this issue.
>>
>> If not, he indicated he has seen some racers remove the ears on the tops 
>> and use large washers to hold the tops down.
>> Ty
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jun 24 23:35:50 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 00:35:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <5A5B2DB12B40429680CCD8DC906F63B6@Pendys>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>
	<20100624000955.A2F39187960@autox.team.net>
	<AANLkTimIJx4y7acIwDt3NWssOlZZ_ZKzODCCpydaw_3H@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100625002721.945C5187684@autox.team.net>
	<B18DAD5C34524477A4879C877FD463E4@latitudefb1e41>
	<5A5B2DB12B40429680CCD8DC906F63B6@Pendys>
Message-ID: <20100625053503.1747B187658@autox.team.net>

Sounds like the H-6 (long body) rather than the HS-6 (short 
body).  The HS-6 have 3 screws that hold the top of the float bowl on.

We often thought of trying to adapt the H-6 float bowl to the HS-6.

- Tony

At 11:04 PM 6/24/2010, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>The float bowls that i have , have a center bolt to hold the cap on 
>, this allows me to position the float arms any which way. Also 
>prior owners put the rear carb bowl to the front of the carb( so 
>both float bowls are to the right looking at the throats) for 
>whatever reason . These carbs  also vented to the wheelhouse ............Mark P
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
>To: <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
>Cc: "Irv Korey" <ikorey at comcast.net>; "Triumph Friends of" 
><fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:22 PM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
>
>
>>I think the Volvo HS6 top work. I've bought a bunch of these over 
>>the years and converted them to TR4 spec. TR4 HS6's are expensive 
>>but you can buy a pair of Volvo's for $50 sometimes.
>>
>>
>>Bob Kramer
>>Volente, TX
>>
>>Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can 
>>catch excellence.
>>Vince Lombardi
>>----- Original Message ----- From: <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
>>To: "Irv Korey" <ikorey at comcast.net>; <emanteno at gmail.com>
>>Cc: <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>; "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
>>Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:52 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
>>
>>
>>>Joe Curto is going to see if he has other tops to address this issue.
>>>
>>>If not, he indicated he has seen some racers remove the ears on 
>>>the tops and use large washers to hold the tops down.
>>>Ty
>>_______________________________________________
>>fot at autox.team.net
>>
>>http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net
>_______________________________________________
>fot at autox.team.net
>
>http://www.fot-racing.com
>
>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jun 24 23:39:09 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 00:39:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
In-Reply-To: <7.1.0.9.0.20100625002804.059c6a18@tonydrews.com>
References: <37957.3ffc962b.395162a9@aol.com>
	<000601cb11b7$d2a335f0$77e9a1d0$@com>
	<A8E02F38E4E84706B71A31ECE9301162@ComputerPC>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FA59@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4C213BC8.4070301@bright.net> <005701cb13e4$56558eb0$0300ac10$@rr.com>
	<E4116A85-91E2-4C95-8452-142993F71CD3@bnj.com>
	<SNT141-w232EF25B7F1FC35CAE0CB2B2C70@phx.gbl>
	<F59E63A2-07F4-4423-9F21-BEB32E48D56B@bnj.com>
	<7.1.0.9.0.20100625002804.059c6a18@tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <20100625053820.50966187658@autox.team.net>

At 12:29 AM 6/25/2010, Tony Drews wrote:
>KIC is the Kohler International Challenge - the old Chicago 
>Historics at Road America in July.  Normally has all the nicest race 
>and street cars at it, and tons of spectators.  A good place to see 
>and be seen, but a place to watch out for the cars on the track and 
>the spectators in the paddock.
>
>- Tony
>
>At 10:16 PM 6/24/2010, Bill Babcock wrote:
>>What's a KIC?


From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri Jun 25 06:49:27 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 08:49:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
Message-ID: <d914.36fa0dd1.3955ffd7@aol.com>

In a message dated 06/24/2010 9:49:10 PM Central Daylight Time, 
horizonracing at msn.com writes:


> Who's racing at the KIC ?? I'll be racing there in  something other than 
> a TR
> (sorry !)
> 

Bob Wismer will be there racing our Tornado Thunder Bolt, and I'll be there 
racing my TR3.

Bill Dentinger


From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri Jun 25 06:52:44 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 08:52:44 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear shock conversion
Message-ID: <dbf7.141d298b.3956009c@aol.com>

In a message dated 06/24/2010 10:36:04 PM Central Daylight Time, 
billb at bnj.com writes:


> What's a KIC?
> 

Kohler International Challenge with Brian Redman Present by FORD (a 
mouthful, huh?).  Formally the BRIC (Brian Redman International Challenge), but 
even earlier it was Joe Marchetti's infamous CHICAGO HISTORIC RACES.

All at Elkhart Lake's ROAD AMERICA.

Bill Dentinger.


From igofaster at att.net  Fri Jun 25 10:01:49 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 09:01:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Universal Joint Tool
In-Reply-To: <FAB0A594-46BF-4499-A9B8-745DCA1B8E6E@comcast.net>
References: <FAB0A594-46BF-4499-A9B8-745DCA1B8E6E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <871532.23908.qm@web180814.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Harbor Freight sells a 12 ton hydraulic shop press (with a stand) that sells
for WELL WORTH THE MONEY... I think it's under a $100.00  Effortless removal
of u-joints and the like....

Bobby Whitehead
To:
'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, June 24, 2010
3:09:52 AM
Subject: [Fot] Universal Joint Tool

Any recommendations for a good
quality universal joint disassembly  
tool?  I'm tired of struggling with a
vice, hammer and other odd bits.
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net


From mpendy at dishmail.net  Fri Jun 25 20:33:04 2010
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 19:33:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Universal Joint Tool
References: <FAB0A594-46BF-4499-A9B8-745DCA1B8E6E@comcast.net>
	<871532.23908.qm@web180814.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DCC9697B841A4B1CB9FDF2310783F15A@Pendys>

I checked with my local Napa store and the two kits from OTC would run me 
270.00.......Harbor Freight sounds pretty good       Mark P
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bobby Whitehead" <igofaster at att.net>
To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
Cc: "FoT Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Universal Joint Tool


> Harbor Freight sells a 12 ton hydraulic shop press (with a stand) that 
> sells
> for WELL WORTH THE MONEY... I think it's under a $100.00  Effortless 
> removal
> of u-joints and the like....
>
> Bobby Whitehead
> To:
> 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, June 24, 2010
> 3:09:52 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Universal Joint Tool
>
> Any recommendations for a good
> quality universal joint disassembly
> tool?  I'm tired of struggling with a
> vice, hammer and other odd bits.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive:
> http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Fri Jun 25 22:48:04 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 00:48:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Ted's Videos
Message-ID: <492289.5657.qm@smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Just saw some video that were posted on Ted's site (caution wedge
content!!).

 

Great stuff Ted

 

http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/racingdays.html

 

Paul


From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com  Sat Jun 26 06:29:14 2010
From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 08:29:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] wheels
In-Reply-To: <005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>
References: <005501cb1146$0fa02ed0$2ee08c70$@com>
Message-ID: <4C25F29A.30504@twcny.rr.com>

Actually, the beer in the Philippines is not that bad - could be the 
heat. Similarly, after setting up several manufacturing lines in the 
Philippines I can honestly tell you that Ford, Toyota and many other 
major manufacturers have major operations and are fabricating the parts 
for your cars in the Philippines. They have access to technology and the 
best materials and because of our relationship in WWII they ALL are 
taught very good English in grade school which makes manufacturing down 
there fabulous.

There are many after-market wheels I personally would never put in a 
stressful environment with tiny spokes but the 8 spoke Rota has a nice 
cross section and with that price I would love to put them on my street 
car as I am in a dilemma with my steel wheels right now. Tires are tough 
to get and I learned the rims are not safety rims which means a high 
speed (60mph not high speed for FOT'rs) flats can be dangerous - not to 
mention that they frequently crack and mine were raced for years in the 
60s and lived through my teenage years.

So my question is just what wheels of their line might fit? They have 
15x7 and 15x8 with 4mm and 12mm offsets. Sounds like spacers and 
interference for a TR3 since most aftermarket wheels sold for TR3 stop 
at 5.5". I am intrigued by their 16x7's for a lower profile outlaw look 
- they have the same offsets. Anyone have experience fitting these up to 
a TR3? I just don't want tires sticking out the fenders don't really 
care if my turning radius is hindered.

Best,

Mark


From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 27 13:08:50 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:08:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
Message-ID: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Here is what I have done with some great input from several FOT folks.  I am
narrowing down the problems some what.  
Here is what I have done. As they say
start from a measurable starting point.
	* checked points and timing
	*
re-centered the needles (the front carb was sticking - fixed now)
	* changed
from gross jets to needles supplied from Joe Curto
	* set the floats to 3/16"
* installed vent lines
car runs great in a straight line.  It seems to be
loading up on left hand turns.  I am attaching a photo of the carb set up. 
Based on the many FOT posts on re positioning the floats should i do that
next.  It loaded up so badly the car stopped.   Should i change the float
levels to 1/8".   I am I missing something obvious??  I am trying to sort as
much of this out as I can before I go to Seattle Thursday for the Historics.
 
Thanks for any input.
 
Mike Mehl

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSC_0242.JPG]


From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jun 27 13:24:27 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 13:24:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
In-Reply-To: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C27A56B.2020908@bradakis.com>

The email lists have attachments, like photos, stripped before getting 
mailed out.
One can use http://www.team.net/forums and post photos there, and then tell
folks about it.  Like the picture I just put up this morning regarding a 
topic
on the land-speed list:

http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=57

It has nothing to do with Triumphs, it is just an example of posting
a photo and providing a link to it on the email list.


mjb.


From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sun Jun 27 13:56:40 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:56:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
In-Reply-To: <20100624062226.861B518763E@autox.team.net>
References: <781829.59805.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<20100621051730.4754A187665@autox.team.net>
	<20100624062226.861B518763E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4C27ACF8.2090201@greenheart.com>

How many of you are running a carb set up like this photo of "Jack's 
car" sent by Tony?
http://www.tonydrews.com/Done08engineR.jpg
--Justin





Tony Drews wrote:

> With the 3 screws, there are 3 theoretical orientations of the float 
> bowl tops.  Normally with the pivot at 90 to the centerline of the 
> car, you will have the fuel line coming out to the right or to the 
> left - I forget how the overflow line orientation goes.
>
> You can mostly see it in this picture of Jack's car:
> http://www.tonydrews.com/Done08engineR.jpg
>
> My recollection is that the pivot is at the front on the front carb 
> and at the rear on the rear carb.
>
> Do whatever you have to do to the fuel line routing to get this 
> orientation, it's very important.  We could reliably cause a major 
> stumble in either right or left hand corners with any other float bowl 
> top orientation.
>
> You can swap the tops between carbs if that helps.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 06:53 PM 6/23/2010, tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Tony and Mike-
>>
>> I have the same problem. Unfortunately, the current float bowl tops 
>> and 3 screw configuration doesn't give me this option.  All I can do 
>> is turn them 180 degrees. No space for fuel line if I place the pivot 
>> front or rear.
>>
>> Are there options or different tops for the bowls that can help solve 
>> this problem that folks are aware of?
>>
>> Coming out of left handers right now floods badly and allows others 
>> to make some great passes!
>>
>> Thx in advance for the help
>>
>> Ty
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
>> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
>> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 00:18:19
>> To: Mike Mehl<mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; Triumph Friends 
>> of<fot at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
>>
>> Mike, the tops of the float bowls need to be oriented so that the
>> pivot for the float is at the front or the rear, not to either side.
>>
>> - Tony Drews
>>
>> At 11:34 PM 6/19/2010, Mike Mehl wrote:
>> >I finally have my head issues sorted out and ready to run in Seattle 
>> July 4
>> >weekend.  The car seems to hesitate when I turn the car a sharp 
>> left.  Any
>> >thoughts would be great.
>> >
>> >Mike
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>> Unsubscribe: 
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner at greenheart.com


From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 27 15:10:17 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 14:10:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
In-Reply-To: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <508788.31609.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I adjusted the floats to 1/8".  Ran the car.  It just dies on a left hand
turn.   It runs great on a right hand turn and a straight line. 
________________________________
From: Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To:
Triumph Friends of <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 12:08:50 PM
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

Here is what I
have done with some great input from several FOT folks.  I am
narrowing down
the problems some what.  
Here is what I have done. As they say
start from a
measurable starting point.
    * checked points and timing
    *
re-centered
the needles (the front carb was sticking - fixed now)
    * changed
from gross
jets to needles supplied from Joe Curto
    * set the floats to 3/16"
*
installed vent lines
car runs great in a straight line.  It seems to be
loading up on left hand turns.  I am attaching a photo of the carb set up.
Based on the many FOT posts on re positioning the floats should i do that
next.  It loaded up so badly the car stopped.  Should i change the float
levels to 1/8".  I am I missing something obvious??  I am trying to sort as
much of this out as I can before I go to Seattle Thursday for the Historics.
Thanks for any input.

Mike Mehl

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type
image/jpeg which had a name of DSC_0242.JPG]
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com


From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 27 17:14:41 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 16:14:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Figured it OUT!!!!!!!!! ya hoo Re: More help needed on HS6
 hesitation 1962 TR4
In-Reply-To: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <969356.44993.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Well - I filled the car up with fuel (just to rule level out) and drove back
down to the school parking lot.  I made the hard left and as soon as it
started to die, I shut off the fuel and ignition and opened the hood.  I
pulled the float covers off and the rear carb float was full (flooded).  So
know I know what the problem is.  It doesn't do it going right.  I am going to
check the float, needle (new and check again).  Could be a bad float or it is
binding on left turns.  Any way I am super jazzed I could figure this out
before Seattle.  

I am getting there.  I must say having never working on or
driving a TR before I start this project I have learned alot.  

Mike Mehl
________________________________
From: Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To:
Triumph Friends of <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 12:08:50 PM
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

Here is what I
have done with some great input from several FOT folks.  I am
narrowing down
the problems some what.  
Here is what I have done. As they say
start from a
measurable starting point.
    * checked points and timing
    *
re-centered
the needles (the front carb was sticking - fixed now)
    * changed
from gross
jets to needles supplied from Joe Curto
    * set the floats to 3/16"
*
installed vent lines
car runs great in a straight line.  It seems to be
loading up on left hand turns.  I am attaching a photo of the carb set up.
Based on the many FOT posts on re positioning the floats should i do that
next.  It loaded up so badly the car stopped.  Should i change the float
levels to 1/8".  I am I missing something obvious??  I am trying to sort as
much of this out as I can before I go to Seattle Thursday for the Historics.
Thanks for any input.

Mike Mehl

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type
image/jpeg which had a name of DSC_0242.JPG]
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com


From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun Jun 27 17:20:23 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:20:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
In-Reply-To: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C27DCB7.7070805@pobox.com>

Mike,
If you don't get the floats oriented properly, you won't solve the 
problem.  Just look at the floats and think about how it is going to 
slosh to one side.  The problem should be obvious.
Larry

Mike Mehl wrote:
> Based on the many FOT posts on re positioning the floats should i do that
> next.  


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jun 27 23:37:44 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:37:44 +0200
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<508788.31609.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <000601cb1684$0a4f3b90$1eedb2b0$@com>

After having a look on your photo I would think the trouble is caused by
your fuel lines.
They are going horizontal towards the carbs beginning by the fender.
The centrifugal forces do have effect on the fuel, so your engine does
starve fuel on a left hander and might flood on a right hander.

To cure this I would put the feeding line to the rear carb, starting from
the battery box area and then do a short connector UNDER the intake trumpets
to the front carb.
Also check the pressure of your fuel pump. Maybe the pressure is too low.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Juni 2010 23:19
An: 'Mike Mehl'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

Can you send a photo of your configuration?

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Mike Mehl
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Juni 2010 23:10
An: Mike Mehl; Triumph Friends of
Betreff: Re: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

I adjusted the floats to 1/8".  Ran the car.  It just dies on a left hand
turn.   It runs great on a right hand turn and a straight line.
________________________________
From: Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To:
Triumph Friends of <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 12:08:50 PM
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

Here is what I
have done with some great input from several FOT folks.  I am
narrowing down
the problems some what.
Here is what I have done. As they say
start from a
measurable starting point.
    * checked points and timing
    *
re-centered
the needles (the front carb was sticking - fixed now)
    * changed
from gross
jets to needles supplied from Joe Curto
    * set the floats to 3/16"
*
installed vent lines
car runs great in a straight line.  It seems to be
loading up on left hand turns.  I am attaching a photo of the carb set up.
Based on the many FOT posts on re positioning the floats should i do that
next.  It loaded up so badly the car stopped.  Should i change the float
levels to 1/8".  I am I missing something obvious??  I am trying to sort as
much of this out as I can before I go to Seattle Thursday for the Historics.
Thanks for any input.

Mike Mehl

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type
image/jpeg which had a name of DSC_0242.JPG]
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jun 27 23:49:05 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:49:05 +0200
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<508788.31609.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>  
Message-ID: <000701cb1685$9fc17bb0$df447310$@com>

Mike,

just for testing:
Losen the fuel lines from the fender, bend them over and fix them on the
other side of the carb on the valve cover and go for a test ride and see if
there is a change.
Would be interesting to see if the carbs might starve on right handers.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 28. Juni 2010 07:38
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

After having a look on your photo I would think the trouble is caused by
your fuel lines.
They are going horizontal towards the carbs beginning by the fender.
The centrifugal forces do have effect on the fuel, so your engine does
starve fuel on a left hander and might flood on a right hander.

To cure this I would put the feeding line to the rear carb, starting from
the battery box area and then do a short connector UNDER the intake trumpets
to the front carb.
Also check the pressure of your fuel pump. Maybe the pressure is too low.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Juni 2010 23:19
An: 'Mike Mehl'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

Can you send a photo of your configuration?

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Mike Mehl
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Juni 2010 23:10
An: Mike Mehl; Triumph Friends of
Betreff: Re: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

I adjusted the floats to 1/8".  Ran the car.  It just dies on a left hand
turn.   It runs great on a right hand turn and a straight line.
________________________________
From: Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To:
Triumph Friends of <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 12:08:50 PM
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

Here is what I
have done with some great input from several FOT folks.  I am
narrowing down
the problems some what.
Here is what I have done. As they say
start from a
measurable starting point.
    * checked points and timing
    *
re-centered
the needles (the front carb was sticking - fixed now)
    * changed
from gross
jets to needles supplied from Joe Curto
    * set the floats to 3/16"
*
installed vent lines
car runs great in a straight line.  It seems to be
loading up on left hand turns.  I am attaching a photo of the carb set up.
Based on the many FOT posts on re positioning the floats should i do that
next.  It loaded up so badly the car stopped.  Should i change the float
levels to 1/8".  I am I missing something obvious??  I am trying to sort as
much of this out as I can before I go to Seattle Thursday for the Historics.
Thanks for any input.

Mike Mehl

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type
image/jpeg which had a name of DSC_0242.JPG]
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com


From jaboruch at netzero.net  Mon Jun 28 11:59:49 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 17:59:49 GMT
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
Message-ID: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com>

I have both my lines coming from a fuel regulator on the inner fender and then
across to each carb, and have never had an issue with starvation or flooding
in corners.  I am running slicks and am cornering at over 1g.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:37:44 +0200

After having a look on your photo I would think the trouble is caused by
your fuel lines.
They are going horizontal towards the carbs beginning by the fender.
The centrifugal forces do have effect on the fuel, so your engine does
starve fuel on a left hander and might flood on a right hander.

To cure this I would put the feeding line to the rear carb, starting from
the battery box area and then do a short connector UNDER the intake trumpets
to the front carb.
Also check the pressure of your fuel pump. Maybe the pressure is too low.

Cheers
Chris


____________________________________________________________
Penny Stock Jumping 2000%
Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today!
http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c28e348a3ad8af4dbst02duc


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Jun 28 12:32:59 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:32:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
In-Reply-To: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com>
References: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0877BA0783@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

A lot of us use this very same set up, paying attention to SU float bowl lid
orientation and we don't suffer fuel starvation. In my current TR4A I use a
Holley regulator split to go to the carburetors and a Fuel Pressure gauge
complete with inline isolator and I've never had a problem.

I had this same type of setup in my previous car, a TR4 but I had to solve a
miss much like what has been described. That car had a welded up tranny mount,
UK sourced racing front engine mounts (hard) and a turnbuckle stay that
limited engine movement. It would show up under full throttle at the exit of
turns. It's been so long that I can't remember if it was right or left turns.
I think that engine vibrations that weren't being damped elsewhere were
foaming up the fuel in the float bowls.

I ended up going back to the rubber tranny mount and I put a 2" o-ring between
the intake manifold and the isolator plates. I used a 2" hole saw to create a
small locating groove. This solved the problem. I now fill the tranny mount
with silicone to help it hold together and do a little dampening.

I also make sure to use OEM style float bowl bolts and I replace the little
rubber bushing without over-tightening. I had one of those bolts break once
and it acted up immediately. Having a float bowl hanging by the fuel line is a
good argument for overflow lines.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
We are as happy as we make up our minds to be.
  ~ Abraham Lincoln



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Joe Boruch
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 1:00 PM
To: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

I have both my lines coming from a fuel regulator on the inner fender and
then
across to each carb, and have never had an issue with starvation or flooding
in corners.  I am running slicks and am cornering at over 1g.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:37:44 +0200

After having a look on your photo I would think the trouble is caused by
your fuel lines.
They are going horizontal towards the carbs beginning by the fender.
The centrifugal forces do have effect on the fuel, so your engine does
starve fuel on a left hander and might flood on a right hander.

To cure this I would put the feeding line to the rear carb, starting from
the battery box area and then do a short connector UNDER the intake trumpets
to the front carb.
Also check the pressure of your fuel pump. Maybe the pressure is too low.

Cheers
Chris


____________________________________________________________
Penny Stock Jumping 2000%
Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today!
http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c28e348a3ad8af4dbst02duc
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com


From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Jun 29 08:44:04 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:44:04 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Original TR4A Tonneau Cover...
Message-ID: <fa8a0.4b8dbdf1.395b60b4@aol.com>

Amici...

During the summer my daily driver is a 1962 TR4.  This morning at the local 
restaurant where I often stop for coffee and to read the paper, a guy was 
quite fascinated with my car.  We got to talking and he said years ago he had 
a new TR4A (IRS).  He said he still has the original tonneau it came with, 
which he described as being in very good condition.  He said he's been 
meaning to put it on eBay, but never gets around to it.  He asked if I was 
interested in it.  I am not.  I already have two for my car, and further, I think 
there may be a distinction between the TR4 and TR4A (IRS) version (at least 
Moss lists different part numbers.  Anyway, they are about $700 new these 
days, and I think he said he wants $150 for it.  

I have NOT seen it, nor do I have any financial interest in this matter.  
If you want to check it out, the guy's name is John Gunney.  He lives in the 
metro-Milwaukee, Wisconsin area, and his telephone number is 262/781-3937.

Bill Dentinger


From brad.kahler at 141.com  Tue Jun 29 11:41:40 2010
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 13:41:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear axle bearing
Message-ID: <AANLkTildse3Hcz0M2zylSTdvBXIvcnJDQtUW8Kr-SLMk@mail.gmail.com>

Amici,

I need to replace one of the rear wheel bearings on my street TR4.
Rather than take the time to order from one of the normal suppliers
I'm wondering if anyone would know what the part number for the
bearing and race might be from say Timken or National? (or any other
brand that I can cross reference locally).

Thanks!

Brad


From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Jun 29 11:55:44 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:55:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear axle bearing
References: <AANLkTildse3Hcz0M2zylSTdvBXIvcnJDQtUW8Kr-SLMk@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65D865EB04E34181A33A4337F155F6E1@Bud>

i suggest taking the bearing to a NAPA parts store..they will measure it, 
and match it up for you on the spot..at least the store here in Sonoma, Ca. 
does.
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Kahler" <brad.kahler at 141.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:41 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear axle bearing


> Amici,
>
> I need to replace one of the rear wheel bearings on my street TR4.
> Rather than take the time to order from one of the normal suppliers
> I'm wondering if anyone would know what the part number for the
> bearing and race might be from say Timken or National? (or any other
> brand that I can cross reference locally).
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brad
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net


From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Jun 29 12:02:57 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:02:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear axle bearing
In-Reply-To: <65D865EB04E34181A33A4337F155F6E1@Bud>
References: <AANLkTildse3Hcz0M2zylSTdvBXIvcnJDQtUW8Kr-SLMk@mail.gmail.com>
	<65D865EB04E34181A33A4337F155F6E1@Bud>
Message-ID: <93A6A9FE567F4BB58482760BD3F6D833@joepentiumnew>

In addition, the old bearing and race will most likely have the manufacturer
and part numbers on them.  That will make matching them up a snap.

But then, you probably want to take the old one off and install the new one
in the same session.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of RACER BUD
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:56 AM
To: Brad Kahler; Friends of Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 rear axle bearing

i suggest taking the bearing to a NAPA parts store..they will measure it, 
and match it up for you on the spot..at least the store here in Sonoma, Ca. 
does.
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Kahler" <brad.kahler at 141.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:41 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear axle bearing


> Amici,
>
> I need to replace one of the rear wheel bearings on my street TR4.
> Rather than take the time to order from one of the normal suppliers
> I'm wondering if anyone would know what the part number for the
> bearing and race might be from say Timken or National? (or any other
> brand that I can cross reference locally).
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brad
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Tue Jun 29 12:52:33 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:52:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear axle bearing
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTildse3Hcz0M2zylSTdvBXIvcnJDQtUW8Kr-SLMk@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTildse3Hcz0M2zylSTdvBXIvcnJDQtUW8Kr-SLMk@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <016601cb17bc$3ccb5480$b661fd80$@rr.com>

> I'm wondering if anyone would know what the part number for the
> bearing and race might be from say Timken or National? (or any other
> brand that I can cross reference locally).

www.rockauto.com has a surprising number of parts listed for our cars, along
with the manufacturer part numbers (and pretty good prices, usually).

Looks like TR4 rear wheel bearings are a National 2523 cup (@ $14) plus a
National 2585 cone (@ $23).
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/x,carcode,1351707,parttype,1672

Not a lot cheaper than TRF (especially if you belong to their "customer
investment plan"), but at least they give the part numbers.

-- Randall 


From brad.kahler at 141.com  Tue Jun 29 13:58:02 2010
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 15:58:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear axle bearing
In-Reply-To: <016601cb17bc$3ccb5480$b661fd80$@rr.com>
References: <AANLkTildse3Hcz0M2zylSTdvBXIvcnJDQtUW8Kr-SLMk@mail.gmail.com>
	<016601cb17bc$3ccb5480$b661fd80$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinECLMU8Bs4hoyKLWXiE0DIFVn8tP97573wl9Nd@mail.gmail.com>

Randall,

Thanks for the part numbers.  Rock Autos price isn't all that much
cheaper than TRF or Moss.  I'm hoping a local bearing house will be a
little cheaper.

Thanks!

Brad


On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>> I'm wondering if anyone would know what the part number for the
>> bearing and race might be from say Timken or National? (or any other
>> brand that I can cross reference locally).
>
> www.rockauto.com has a surprising number of parts listed for our cars, along
> with the manufacturer part numbers (and pretty good prices, usually).
>
> Looks like TR4 rear wheel bearings are a National 2523 cup (@ $14) plus a
> National 2585 cone (@ $23).
> http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/x,carcode,1351707,parttype,1672
>
> Not a lot cheaper than TRF (especially if you belong to their "customer
> investment plan"), but at least they give the part numbers.
>
> -- Randall


From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue Jun 29 16:11:54 2010
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:11:54 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Videos from Brands Hatch and Silverstone in the UK
Message-ID: <469CF7E072914BC0B3F7D82659739984@homekeith>

Dear All,

Thought that you might want to see some good old Brit vintage racing....

My 19 year old son Josh is racing his red/silver TR6 and a fellow racer, Jon
Ellison is racing his yellow TR6 in the Thoroughbred Sports Car
Championship; you get to see the same races with in-car from both cars. 

Cheers, Keith.

Brands from yellow TR6 http://www.blip.tv/file/3471210 

Brands from red TR6 http://www.blip.tv/file/3742656

Silv HGP from yellow TR6  http://jrellison.blip.tv/file/3722914/

Silv HGP from red TR6 http://blip.tv/file/3757561


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Jun 29 16:23:22 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:23:22 +0200
Subject: [Fot] King has died
In-Reply-To: <469CF7E072914BC0B3F7D82659739984@homekeith>
References: <469CF7E072914BC0B3F7D82659739984@homekeith>
Message-ID: <001801cb17d9$b0861370$11923a50$@com>

http://www.aronline.co.uk/index.htm?kinginterf.htm

Chris


From tlizzard at msn.com  Tue Jun 29 16:41:09 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 18:41:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Videos from Brands Hatch and Silverstone in the UK
In-Reply-To: <469CF7E072914BC0B3F7D82659739984@homekeith>
References: <469CF7E072914BC0B3F7D82659739984@homekeith>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS1577D9B1E6091ADDD4EC9C3CB0@phx.gbl>

Outstanding!!


Thanks.


Terry Stetler


From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 23:03:05 2010
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (T Thompson)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 22:03:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Figured it OUT!!!!!!!!! ya hoo Re: More help needed on
 HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
In-Reply-To: <969356.44993.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<969356.44993.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <499121.90834.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Tonight, I fabricated a large "washer" to put over the top of the float tops.  Essentially, I took some aluminum plate and drilled it out with a 2 3/4 inch hole saw. Then I took a 2 inch hole saw and used the same pilot hole to drill out the center (pilot hole kept it symmetrical. This combination of hole saw sizes seems to give me the washer width needed.  

Using the existing float top as a guide, I marked the orientation of the three screw holes on the *washer" and drilled them out.  Then I put the float tops on, oriented them front to rear, and placed the "washers" over the top lining it up with the existing screw holes in the float bowl and tightened it down.  Seems to seat fine and I have no leaks so far.

The only thing is that the screws inevitably end up under the fuel inlet and outlet to the second carb.  I am going to get a float top with a single fuel inlet like I have for the rear carb, put it on front, and just run separate lines to each carb. That way I only have one fuel inlet on the front bowl that will be a little bit harder to tighten.

Hoping this solves the flooding problem now that the float bowls are front to rear.  Hope this helps others if it works! will know next test and tune day (or drive around the hood).

Ty


________________________________
From: Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To: Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; Triumph Friends of <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 5:14:41 PM
Subject: [Fot] Figured it OUT!!!!!!!!! ya hoo Re: More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

Well - I filled the car up with fuel (just to rule level out) and drove back
down to the school parking lot.  I made the hard left and as soon as it
started to die, I shut off the fuel and ignition and opened the hood.  I
pulled the float covers off and the rear carb float was full (flooded).  So
know I know what the problem is.  It doesn't do it going right.  I am going to
check the float, needle (new and check again).  Could be a bad float or it is
binding on left turns.  Any way I am super jazzed I could figure this out
before Seattle.  

I am getting there.  I must say having never working on or
driving a TR before I start this project I have learned alot.  

Mike Mehl
________________________________
From: Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To:
Triumph Friends of <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 12:08:50 PM
Subject: [Fot] More help needed on HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4

Here is what I
have done with some great input from several FOT folks.  I am
narrowing down
the problems some what.  
Here is what I have done. As they say
start from a
measurable starting point.
    * checked points and timing
    *
re-centered
the needles (the front carb was sticking - fixed now)
    * changed
from gross
jets to needles supplied from Joe Curto
    * set the floats to 3/16"
*
installed vent lines
car runs great in a straight line.  It seems to be
loading up on left hand turns.  I am attaching a photo of the carb set up.
Based on the many FOT posts on re positioning the floats should i do that
next.  It loaded up so badly the car stopped.  Should i change the float
levels to 1/8".  I am I missing something obvious??  I am trying to sort as
much of this out as I can before I go to Seattle Thursday for the Historics.
Thanks for any input.

Mike Mehl

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type
image/jpeg which had a name of DSC_0242.JPG]
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive:
http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com


From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Wed Jun 30 00:10:34 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:10:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Figured it OUT!!!!!!!!! ya hoo Re: More help needed on
 HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
In-Reply-To: <4C2ADEB7.70802@greenheart.com>
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<969356.44993.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<499121.90834.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<4C2ADEB7.70802@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <4C2ADFDA.7010605@greenheart.com>

check out this....  --Justin
http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=48221

T Thompson wrote:

Tonight, I fabricated a large "washer" to put over the top of the float 
tops.  Essentially, I took some aluminum plate and drilled it out with a 
2 3/4 inch hole saw. Then I took a 2 inch hole saw and used the same 
pilot hole to drill out the center (pilot hole kept it symmetrical. This 
combination of hole saw sizes seems to give me the washer width needed. 
Using the existing float top as a guide, I marked the orientation of the 
three screw holes on the *washer" and drilled them out.  Then I put the 
float tops on, oriented them front to rear, and placed the "washers" 
over the top lining it up with the existing screw holes in the float 
bowl and tightened it down.  Seems to seat fine and I have no leaks so far.

The only thing is that the screws inevitably end up under the fuel inlet 
and outlet to the second carb.  I am going to get a float top with a 
single fuel inlet like I have for the rear carb, put it on front, and 
just run separate lines to each carb. That way I only have one fuel 
inlet on the front bowl that will be a little bit harder to tighten.

Hoping this solves the flooding problem now that the float bowls are 
front to rear.  Hope this helps others if it works! will know next test 
and tune day (or drive around the hood).

Ty


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Wed Jun 30 07:35:43 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 08:35:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Figured it OUT!!!!!!!!! ya hoo Re: More help needed on
 HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4
References: <297790.11500.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><969356.44993.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><499121.90834.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com><4C2ADEB7.70802@greenheart.com>
	<4C2ADFDA.7010605@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <FFCA336E6E1B47E0AC2EAEC01BF65765@latitudefb1e41>

I've tried this "trick" part and it caused flooding in my TR4A. Raising the 
lid raised the float enough to bring the fuel level at the jet over the top. 
I didn't try to see if i could solve this problem because I could already 
get fuel to rise to that level without it. I have the part if anyone wants 
to try them.
Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
excellence.
Vince Lombardi
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Justin Wagner" <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
To: "Justin Wagner" <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
Cc: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Figured it OUT!!!!!!!!! ya hoo Re: More help needed on 
HS6 hesitation 1962 TR4


> check out this....  --Justin
> http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=48221
>
> T Thompson wrote:
>
> Tonight, I fabricated a large "washer" to put over the top of the float 
> tops.  Essentially, I took some aluminum plate and drilled it out with a 2 
> 3/4 inch hole saw. Then I took a 2 inch hole saw and used the same pilot 
> hole to drill out the center (pilot hole kept it symmetrical. This 
> combination of hole saw sizes seems to give me the washer width needed. 
> Using the existing float top as a guide, I marked the orientation of the 
> three screw holes on the *washer" and drilled them out.  Then I put the 
> float tops on, oriented them front to rear, and placed the "washers" over 
> the top lining it up with the existing screw holes in the float bowl and 
> tightened it down.  Seems to seat fine and I have no leaks so far.
>
> The only thing is that the screws inevitably end up under the fuel inlet 
> and outlet to the second carb.  I am going to get a float top with a 
> single fuel inlet like I have for the rear carb, put it on front, and just 
> run separate lines to each carb. That way I only have one fuel inlet on 
> the front bowl that will be a little bit harder to tighten.
>
> Hoping this solves the flooding problem now that the float bowls are front 
> to rear.  Hope this helps others if it works! will know next test and tune 
> day (or drive around the hood).
>
> Ty
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com


From oldspeed72 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 30 08:52:13 2010
From: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com (Mark Vanlake)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 07:52:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Cooling
Message-ID: <551676.61524.qm@web111003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Looking to upgrade my radiator/cooling system on my 72 TR6, What aftermarket radiator/s are the choice of the TR6 racers. Also, do you use an expansion tank, if so, could you forward me a pic of your system, much appreciated! 


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Wed Jun 30 09:01:59 2010
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 08:01:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SPAM-LOW:   TR-6 Cooling
References: <551676.61524.qm@web111003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F8839D6A155A4358B1D93D2732F86255@Charly>

Try this.
http://www.rondavisradiators.com/72-74-Triumph-TR6-aluminum-.jpg
I think TRF has them also.
http://www.zeni.net/trf/TR6-250GC/index.php?menu=R&page=47

Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Vanlake" <oldspeed72 at yahoo.com>
To: <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>; "FOT LIST" <FOT at autox.team.net>
Cc: "Mark Van Lake" <mavanlake at fedex.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 7:52 AM
Subject: SPAM-LOW: [Fot] TR-6 Cooling


> Looking to upgrade my radiator/cooling system on my 72 TR6, What 
> aftermarket radiator/s are the choice of the TR6 racers. Also, do you use 
> an expansion tank, if so, could you forward me a pic of your system, much 
> appreciated!
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com


From andre at gt6.ca  Wed Jun 30 09:03:16 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 11:03:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Videos from Brands Hatch and Silverstone in the UK
In-Reply-To: <469CF7E072914BC0B3F7D82659739984@homekeith>
References: <469CF7E072914BC0B3F7D82659739984@homekeith>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikOGgqFlc3ZF87qZXr_xXYcYtMnbc6mQXNGIIca@mail.gmail.com>

Nice stuff.

Love the rear cam video feature.

I made my debut race at Mosport on the Father's Day weekend.
Sort of not TR related <grin>, but still it was a blast.

Videos are on my blog.

http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/

Only 2 TR 4's in my group, but I was no where near their pace. Still I
was have a lot of fun trading positions with some MG's.

A.


On 29 June 2010 18:11, Keith Files <keithfiles at btinternet.com> wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Thought that you might want to see some good old Brit vintage racing....
>
> My 19 year old son Josh is racing his red/silver TR6 and a fellow racer,
Jon
> Ellison is racing his yellow TR6 in the Thoroughbred Sports Car
> Championship; you get to see the same races with in-car from both cars.
>
> Cheers, Keith.
>
> Brands from yellow TR6 http://www.blip.tv/file/3471210
>
> Brands from red TR6 http://www.blip.tv/file/3742656
>
> Silv HGP from yellow TR6  http://jrellison.blip.tv/file/3722914/
>
> Silv HGP from red TR6 http://blip.tv/file/3757561
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Jun 30 09:10:23 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 11:10:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Cooling
In-Reply-To: <551676.61524.qm@web111003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <551676.61524.qm@web111003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1006301106160.29800@isis.mit.edu>

On Wed, 30 Jun 2010, Mark Vanlake wrote:

> Looking to upgrade my radiator/cooling system on my 72 TR6, What 
> aftermarket radiator/s are the choice of the TR6 racers. Also, do you 
> use an expansion tank, if so, could you forward me a pic of your system, 
> much appreciated!

I run 12:1 compression on my race car and I presently have a 3-row core in 
the stock radiator shell. It works just fine with an electric fan. This is 
all copper.

I bought an aluminum radiator a while back but haven't installed it, but 
it's either 3 or 4 row. Aluminum is def. better.

Bottom line - you want more rows. The stock setup has the rows lined up 
front to back, the newer cores have the rows offset so those cool better.

regards,
rml
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Lang              Triumph TR6!!            |  This space for rent
2010 NER Solo Chair                            |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
---------------------------------------------------------------------------


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 30 10:07:54 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 16:07:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Cooling
In-Reply-To: <1371972986.71951277912324544.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <926357831.85161277914073997.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Gus, 

I use an aluminum radiator. I paid less than $ 200.00 for it. I don't remember where I got it 

but I have attached a link to an ebay sale. This rad. looks just like mine. 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/209672-19-X-28-ALUMINUM-RACE-RADIATOR-FORD-MOPAR-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1c11732501QQitemZ120551843073QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories 



I built radiator cradles out of aluminum angle from Home depot. 

I'll send a photo off-list. 

Jim G 




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Vanlake" <oldspeed72 at yahoo.com> 
To: fot-bounces at autox.team.net, "FOT LIST" <FOT at autox.team.net> 
Cc: "Mark Van Lake" <mavanlake at fedex.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:52:13 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain 
Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Cooling 

Looking to upgrade my radiator/cooling system on my 72 TR6, What aftermarket radiator/s are the choice of the TR6 racers. Also, do you use an expansion tank, if so, could you forward me a pic of your system, much appreciated! 
_______________________________________________ 
fot at autox.team.net 

http://www.fot-racing.com 

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html 
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums 
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net 


From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Jun 30 10:41:39 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 09:41:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3
 wheel cars ... Carter B. Smith
Message-ID: <3BE6D95E71494240A40631C38C308A5A@Bud>

      This is a Terrific Video...click on the link below.
      Racer Bud







                The BBC Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more
three-wheeled cars b
                (both videos are hysterically FUNNY!)

                http://www.autoblog.com/2010/06/28/video-clarkson-demonstrate
s-why-there-arent-more-three-wheeled/#continued


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 30 13:42:20 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:42:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Ignition timing in a TR-4
Message-ID: <2109157066.168061277926940874.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Greetings FoT

I am planning to attend the Kastner Cup in August and I'm not sure where my
timing

wants to be at roughly 800 ft above sea level. My only experience with the TR4
is at

5200 ft. and 36 -B 38 degrees BTDC is the norm around here. The car has 12.5:1

compression and I generally use 108 octane fuel.

Any advice for Topeka would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Jim G.


From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Jun 30 13:43:59 2010
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 15:43:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] classic car insurance
Message-ID: <AANLkTinu5z66FGH58mw2BmEH3IPQQzAsgRgla4uv7irU@mail.gmail.com>

On an off-track note, who are folks using for 'classic' street car
insurance? Guy here @ the office is buying a Caterham replica and is looking
for something other than the usual insurers.

Thanks,
iii


From d.hesse at charter.net  Wed Jun 30 14:19:09 2010
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 13:19:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] classic car insurance
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinu5z66FGH58mw2BmEH3IPQQzAsgRgla4uv7irU@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100630161909.1JVQ7.8321140.root@mp06>

We use Grundy for the 35 Ford 5-window coupe street rod. They were very good to work with when my wife hit a deer with it. It was taken to the shop of our choice for repairs and they covered it without any hassles. We have it insured with them for a set dollar amount as far as replacement costs.

---- robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com> wrote:

=============
On an off-track note, who are folks using for 'classic' street car
insurance? Guy here @ the office is buying a Caterham replica and is looking
for something other than the usual insurers.

Thanks,
iii
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/d.hesse at charter.net


From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jun 30 13:47:32 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 12:47:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Ignition timing in a TR-4
In-Reply-To: <2109157066.168061277926940874.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <2109157066.168061277926940874.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <D896F879-6A9F-4144-BCF5-DD9A0083CB71@bnj.com>

You are unlikely to need to change your timing if you get the carburetion
right. In theory if you are using SU you should be OK, in practice you might
want to go a little richer. If you're using webers you will have to spend an
hour or so doing plug chops and getting your compensator and main jet right.
You'll need a couple of sets of new spark plugs to get it just right.
On Jun 30, 2010, at 12:42 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:

> Greetings FoT
>
> I am planning to attend the Kastner Cup in August and I'm not sure where my
> timing
>
> wants to be at roughly 800 ft above sea level. My only experience with the
TR4
> is at
>
> 5200 ft. and 36 -B 38 degrees BTDC is the norm around here. The car has
12.5:1
>
> compression and I generally use 108 octane fuel.
>
> Any advice for Topeka would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim G.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Wed Jun 30 15:19:17 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 16:19:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Ignition timing in a TR-4
References: <2109157066.168061277926940874.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <9850872F6C784A179D815D741999D2CA@latitudefb1e41>

I only run 31 degrees but I'm near sea level.
Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
excellence.
Vince Lombardi
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 2:42 PM
Subject: [Fot] Ignition timing in a TR-4


> Greetings FoT
>
> I am planning to attend the Kastner Cup in August and I'm not sure where 
> my
> timing
>
> wants to be at roughly 800 ft above sea level. My only experience with the 
> TR4
> is at
>
> 5200 ft. and 36 -B 38 degrees BTDC is the norm around here. The car has 
> 12.5:1
>
> compression and I generally use 108 octane fuel.
>
> Any advice for Topeka would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim G.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 30 15:29:00 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:29:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Ignition timing in a TR-4
In-Reply-To: <D896F879-6A9F-4144-BCF5-DD9A0083CB71@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <1726439947.205811277933340609.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Thanks Bill, 

I'm running Mikuni HSR 45's. The jetting will be a snap with 200 mains & a couple notches on the needle jet clips. I just don't want to knock any holes in my pistons & 36 - 38 seems a bit much for that elevation. 



jg 




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com> 
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net 
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:47:32 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Ignition timing in a TR-4 

You are unlikely to need to change your timing if you get the carburetion right. In theory if you are using SU you should be OK, in practice you might want to go a little richer. If you're using webers you will have to spend an hour or so doing plug chops and getting your compensator and main jet right. You'll need a couple of sets of new spark plugs to get it just right. 
On Jun 30, 2010, at 12:42 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: 

> Greetings FoT 
> 
> I am planning to attend the Kastner Cup in August and I'm not sure where my 
> timing 
> 
> wants to be at roughly 800 ft above sea level. My only experience with the TR4 
> is at 
> 
> 5200 ft. and 36 -B 38 degrees BTDC is the norm around here. The car has 12.5:1 
> 
> compression and I generally use 108 octane fuel. 
> 
> Any advice for Topeka would be appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Jim G. 
> _______________________________________________ 
> fot at autox.team.net 
> 
> http://www.fot-racing.com 
> 
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html 
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums 
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com 


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 30 16:42:54 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 16:42:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Ignition timing in a TR-4
In-Reply-To: <1726439947.205811277933340609.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1726439947.205811277933340609.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <85FB8786-2E47-4DC3-B951-E03E9D6A2DE9@earthlink.net>

Jim,
My guess is that with that much total, the initial would be too much  
for a hot-start ["bucking" against the starter].
My rule of thumb is +1 deg per thousand feet over 2000. You're at 5000 
+ [as am I] so I would suggest -3 as a starter.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
 From there keep an eye out for any sign of blistering of the plugs.

On Jun 30, 2010, at 3:29 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:

> Thanks Bill,
>
> I'm running Mikuni HSR 45's. The jetting will be a snap with 200  
> mains & a couple notches on the needle jet clips. I just don't want  
> to knock any holes in my pistons & 36 - 38 seems a bit much for  
> that elevation.
>
>
>
> jg
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
> To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
> Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:47:32 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada  
> Mountain
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Ignition timing in a TR-4
>
> You are unlikely to need to change your timing if you get the  
> carburetion right. In theory if you are using SU you should be OK,  
> in practice you might want to go a little richer. If you're using  
> webers you will have to spend an hour or so doing plug chops and  
> getting your compensator and main jet right. You'll need a couple  
> of sets of new spark plugs to get it just right.
> On Jun 30, 2010, at 12:42 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:
>
>> Greetings FoT
>>
>> I am planning to attend the Kastner Cup in August and I'm not sure  
>> where my
>> timing
>>
>> wants to be at roughly 800 ft above sea level. My only experience  
>> with the TR4
>> is at
>>
>> 5200 ft. and 36 -B 38 degrees BTDC is the norm around here. The  
>> car has 12.5:1
>>
>> compression and I generally use 108 octane fuel.
>>
>> Any advice for Topeka would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jim G.
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ 
> lunkercars at earthlink.net


From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Wed Jun 30 19:46:34 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:46:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 bumper brackets
Message-ID: <4C2BF37A.5060602@cfl.rr.com>

All,

I am searching for TR3 left and right bumper brackets (part that 
attaches to the front frame rails) to buy. Any leads appreciated.

thxx,
Bob


From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Wed Jun 30 20:56:27 2010
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 12:56:27 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Australian 18th All Triumph Race
Message-ID: <91CA9BDD45D245D8BA89BA21278C62FB@GEOFFPC>

Amici
The 18th Australian All Triumph Race was run last Sunday at Wakefield Park
Raceway about 3hours drive south of Sydney
This year a record number of 22 entries faced the starter on a clear crisp
winters day. The race was held in conjunction with the 50 year celebration of
TSOA NSW . The club put on a great display of some 60 Triumphs of various
vintage who all enjoyed a parade drive around the track and provided great
spectator support for the racing

The race field was made up of
Three Dolimite Sprints including one turbo
Four TR8s and four TR7s
One TR6 and two GT6s
five TR3s and three Sedans ,
The race was won by Mark Morsillo in his turbo charged Dolimite Sprint
followed by Bill Birney in his 3.9 TR8 and yours trully Geoff Byrne in my TR6
historic race car. I was please to do a PB by taking 2 secs off my best time
due to some extra HP found by metering unit tweeks.
We were fortunate to have two major sponsors for the race and $2000 in prize
money was distributed through the field and a special trophy was awarded to
Andrew Gibson for being the first side screen home in eighth place.

Geoff Byrne
TR6 Racer Down Under


From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Jun 30 23:08:54 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 22:08:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Ed Barnard
Message-ID: <3194934D0E884DCEA825F3B13E34F36A@joepentiumnew>

Would Ed contact me off list?

Thanks,
Joe C.


From gasket.works at verizon.net  Wed Jun 30 23:54:40 2010
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 22:54:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Videos from Brands Hatch and Silverstone in the UK
References: <469CF7E072914BC0B3F7D82659739984@homekeith>
Message-ID: <008001cb18e1$e6186de0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

WAY cool.

thanks
Mordy

M.N.Dunst 
Gasket Works USA, LLC
www.Headgasket.com
626.358.1616 ph
626.628.3777 fx

Triple R Munitions, Inc.
Class 6  Certified F.F.L.
626.201.9471
GMT -8 Pacific