From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jul 1 07:43:44 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 09:43:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] Australian 18th All Triumph Race Message-ID: <83172.1ac70a2d.395df590@aol.com> In a message dated 06/30/2010 9:56:48 PM Central Daylight Time, gkbyrne at optushome.com.au writes: > The race field was made up of > Three Dolimite Sprints including one turbo > Four TR8s and four TR7s > One TR6 and two GT6s > five TR3s and three Sedans , > Geoff...interesting stuff! Hooray for our Down Under Contingent. Two things struck me...no TR4s, and no Spitfires (both popular models here in the USA. Then too...those Dolomite Sprints and sedans (also rare up/over here). I've been exposed to these models recently, as they get plenty of attention in the Triumph World magazine. While I've always been more taken with the Triumph roadsters like the TR2-6, these are neat little cars. They can really be presented well, and prepared for serious racing. Bill Dentinger From cofrog at q.com Thu Jul 1 11:58:55 2010 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 17:58:55 +0000 Subject: [Fot] IRS Shock Length Message-ID: Listers, I recently installed the 550# rear springs that Moss Europe sells on my IRS TR4A. These springs are considerably shorter that the old ones. The new springs can be installed/removed without loosening the long Spax shocks that I have. These shocks are the Spax that come with the Moss tube shock conversion. I have wired the springs to the upper spring plate so they cannot fall out. My concern is these longer shocks may bottom out with the shorter springs. Has anyone run these springs or similar springs with the long Spax shocks that Moss sells and, if so, had any problems with bottoming out? The car is non-functioning at this time and I'm trying to get it squared away for Topeka. I probably will not be able to see how the above setup works until getting on the track at Topeka and would hate to have the shocks be a problem. I can (maybe should) acquire some shorter Spax shocks to be on the safe side. Any experience/input would be appreciated. Thanks, Dan Forgey From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Jul 1 13:28:00 2010 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 14:28:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] IRS Shock Length In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have the same rear springs but I use lever shocks. You can make up an adjustable link with the Armstrongs and once you get it where you want it you are good to go. You have to figure out your range and get a proper shock. I keep a loose zip tie looped to keep my springs in place. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell We are as happy as we make up our minds to be. ~ Abraham Lincoln -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dan Forgey Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 12:59 PM To: triumph fot Subject: [Fot] IRS Shock Length Listers, I recently installed the 550# rear springs that Moss Europe sells on my IRS TR4A. These springs are considerably shorter that the old ones. The new springs can be installed/removed without loosening the long Spax shocks that I have. These shocks are the Spax that come with the Moss tube shock conversion. I have wired the springs to the upper spring plate so they cannot fall out. My concern is these longer shocks may bottom out with the shorter springs. Has anyone run these springs or similar springs with the long Spax shocks that Moss sells and, if so, had any problems with bottoming out? The car is non-functioning at this time and I'm trying to get it squared away for Topeka. I probably will not be able to see how the above setup works until getting on the track at Topeka and would hate to have the shocks be a problem. I can (maybe should) acquire some shorter Spax shocks to be on the safe side. Any experience/input would be appreciated. Thanks, Dan Forgey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Thu Jul 1 15:47:17 2010 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 07:47:17 +1000 Subject: [Fot] re IRS Shock Length Message-ID: on a similar matter, can someone give me the open/closed lengths of the shocks (or part numbers). I've got some alloy brackets made by Racetorations in UK, but no shocks. They wont provide any data, just want to sell me overly expensive shocks. thanks, terry o'beirne From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Jul 1 18:44:47 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 18:44:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] re IRS Shock Length In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8AB066C14FFB49F4A153E2E9E37E5577@hal9000> Terry, If you like the Spax shocks the part you are looking for is specially made by Spax for BPNW. It's the krypton part # G3072 The body length is 7". The moss conversion shock for standard springs has a body length of 8.5". On the shorter shock the extended length is 12.5" and the compressed length is 16" end to end. The factory measures center of stud to center of stud, not end to end. Jim G. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team .net] On Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 3:47 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] re IRS Shock Length on a similar matter, can someone give me the open/closed lengths of the shocks (or part numbers). I've got some alloy brackets made by Racetorations in UK, but no shocks. They wont provide any data, just want to sell me overly expensive shocks. thanks, terry o'beirne ______________________________ _________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htm l Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ options/fot/toodamnfunky at comca st.net From jhd11 at hotmail.com Fri Jul 2 08:07:29 2010 From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 14:07:29 +0000 Subject: [Fot] U.K Triumph Events Message-ID: Good Morning, I will be in England and Scotland for the next 2 weeks and was wondering if there were any Triumphs on Track during that time. Would love to take in a U.K. race meeting while I was there (besides the F1 race!). Joe Downer Charlotte, N.C. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Jul 2 14:14:11 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:14:11 GMT Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith Message-ID: <20100702.161411.15956.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> The last crash almost killed him and I heard that he broke his neck. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "RACER BUD" To: Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 wheel cars ... Carter B. Smith Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 09:41:39 -0700 This is a Terrific Video...click on the link below. Racer Bud The BBC Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more three-wheeled cars b (both videos are hysterically FUNNY!) http://www.autoblog.com/2010/06/28/video-clarkson-demonstrate s-why-there-arent-more-three-wheeled/#continued _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net ____________________________________________________________ PennyStocks Soaring 600% Sign up for FREE email alerts on stocks that jump 600% and more! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c2e48da6fa4f1521bfst01duc From susank at 141.com Fri Jul 2 17:07:24 2010 From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 19:07:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Red #6 Hot Wheels TR6 Racer Message-ID: <4C2E712C.5050309@141.com> Hi gang! I keep forgetting to post out that there is now a 2010 red racer with blue and white stripes #6 Hot Wheels TR6 to be had at your Hot Wheels retailer. I found a bunch of them at our local Walmarts. Just FYI! http://hotwheels.wikia.com/wiki/File:Triumph_TR6_-_10FTE.jpg Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From jmwagner at greenheart.com Fri Jul 2 19:33:59 2010 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:33:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4A stock-type front Y-Pipe, mild steel, WANTED Message-ID: <4C2E9387.1050403@greenheart.com> Does anyone have a stock-type, mild steel (not Stainless Steel) front Y-Pipe from a TR4A that they'd like to unload? I would expect a little surface rust, but just looking for a bargain as opposed to a new one. Maybe you replaced a decent system with a stainless one and you have your old one in the garage? Or maybe you have one that came from a parts car? I'm looking for #10 in this Victoria British diagram.... http://www.victoriabritish.com/icatalog/tc/full.aspx?Page=114 New ones are between $70 and $110 for SS... I am looking for a bargain price for a used one and I could also trade for a silicone valve cover gasket for TR's (TR2's through TR 6's, etc.) --Justin Wagner jmwagnersales.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Fri Jul 2 19:57:20 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 18:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] videos Message-ID: <470614.64068.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> As long as we are sharing race videos, here are some from a race on Fathers day. This is my first time with my new go pro HD and it is obvious I need to work on the mounting location. I had to split it up into 3 videos under 10 minutes even after cutting out the boring sections where there is no action. I qualified on the pole and ended up winning the race after a decent battle with a Datsun 240Z. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYdgmwaLV-M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1GjMLz_Zm8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZYCkfHMUpk Mike From tedtsimx at bright.net Sat Jul 3 10:59:07 2010 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 12:59:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] A good andHappy Independence day from TSI Message-ID: <4C2F6C5B.4090603@bright.net> Uncle Sam,.Spitfire adn his friend "hydrant" wish you all a good Independence Day. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jul 3 19:26:38 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 18:26:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Emailing: 2010_0508AA What I Think The Gang is All about Fiats or Triumphs Message-ID: Hi friends..here's a Message that i sent to my Newsletter Gang....It's the same spirit that FOT has...I'm Proud to Be Friends With you!... RB Hello to THE OLD GUYS STILL DUMB ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE Gang....Happy 4TH of July... My Little Friend and I made it all the way to 4th street West(3 blocks)...2 blocks smoothly...the 3rd block was 'One Lurch At A Time'...Then..'There I Sat'... 6'1" 63 year old Dude in a tiny Car that most people have never seen the likes of before, with the top down in the middle of an intersection...A lady comes up to me and says nicely..."Hi!..that's really a bad place to be stopped..can I help you push it to the curb?"...I gritted my teeth, then said "Sure..thanks very much"...As soon as she was out of sight I started my little Friend again...We made it to the middle of the street...I decided it was time to start pushing my Fiat home...Then...A Neighbor whom I hadn't met(He was going for a walk), came to me and said.."Hi, My Name's Kevin..I had one of these cars....Can I help you push it home?....We got my little Baby Home...I guess I didn't solve the fuel problem after all.... Now I Love Her Even More!!.. Racer Bud The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: 2010_0508AA Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 2010_0508AA.JPG] From LimeyV8 at aol.com Sun Jul 4 21:33:58 2010 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 23:33:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Cooling Message-ID: <966af.4f936dec.3962aca6@aol.com> In a message dated 6/30/2010 12:09:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: I have attached a link to an ebay sale. This rad. looks just like mine. really? aren't the inlets and outlets on opposite sides from where they need to be ? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/209672-19-X-28-ALUMINUM-RACE-RADIATOR-FORD-MO PAR-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1c11732501QQitemZ120551843073QQptZMotorsQ5fC arQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories From greenman62 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 4 22:34:48 2010 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (Greg Petrolati) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 04:34:48 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith In-Reply-To: <20100702.161411.15956.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> References: <20100702.161411.15956.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: That wasn't Clarkson who nearly died... it was Hammond... Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: jaboruch at netzero.net > Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:14:11 +0000 > To: budscars at comcast.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith > > The last crash almost killed him and I heard that he broke his neck. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "RACER BUD" > To: > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 wheel > cars ... Carter B. Smith > Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 09:41:39 -0700 > > This is a Terrific Video...click on the link below. > Racer Bud > > > > > > > > The BBC Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more > three-wheeled cars b > (both videos are hysterically FUNNY!) > > http://www.autoblog.com/2010/06/28/video-clarkson-demonstrate > s-why-there-arent-more-three-wheeled/#continued > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > PennyStocks Soaring 600% > Sign up for FREE email alerts on stocks that jump 600% and more! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c2e48da6fa4f1521bfst01duc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/greenman62 at hotmail.com From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jul 5 19:14:37 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 18:14:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: CLARKSTON VIDEO RELIANT ROBIN...CAR STUFF Message-ID: <688C4CCBB732466FB1481DBC1F9CABAD@Bud> Hi Friends....The video that I sent a few days ago...a very funny one about the Robin..was blocked by BBC copyright...so you probably rcvd. something else..Sorry for the problem.. Racer Bud From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Jul 6 08:15:43 2010 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 10:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith In-Reply-To: References: <20100702.161411.15956.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Jul 2010, Greg Petrolati wrote: > That wasn't Clarkson who nearly died... it was Hammond... Depending on your point of view, some feel things should have been the other way 'round. Though I'm glad that Hammond pulled throug okay. That was one scary crash. > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 6 09:30:14 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 17:30:14 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith In-Reply-To: References: <20100702.161411.15956.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <004601cb1d20$236c7320$6a455960$@com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN9WQfDq7Jk&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpcZsGBgvis&feature=related -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Robert M. Lang Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Juli 2010 16:16 An: Greg Petrolati Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith On Mon, 5 Jul 2010, Greg Petrolati wrote: > That wasn't Clarkson who nearly died... it was Hammond... Depending on your point of view, some feel things should have been the other way 'round. Though I'm glad that Hammond pulled throug okay. That was one scary crash. > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jul 6 09:49:57 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 08:49:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith References: <20100702.161411.15956.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <83AF2E3392B64F93969A43238D0023B0@Bud> somehow the wrong video went out when i forwarded it to FOT..the one I thought i was sending was a humorous clip of a Reliant Robin driving 14 miles, and doing a series of 'funny' rollovers.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: "Greg Petrolati" Cc: "Joe Boruch" ; ; Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith > On Mon, 5 Jul 2010, Greg Petrolati wrote: > >> That wasn't Clarkson who nearly died... it was Hammond... > > Depending on your point of view, some feel things should have been the > other way 'round. Though I'm glad that Hammond pulled throug okay. That > was one scary crash. > >> Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > 2010 NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jul 6 10:09:20 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 09:09:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith References: <20100702.161411.15956.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <004601cb1d20$236c7320$6a455960$@com> Message-ID: <30E782FBBA0C496F8615D265D2C959F6@Bud> THAT'S THE ONE...Thanks Chris! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN9WQfDq7Jk&feature=related > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpcZsGBgvis&feature=related > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Robert M. Lang > Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Juli 2010 16:16 > An: Greg Petrolati > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more > 3 > whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith > > On Mon, 5 Jul 2010, Greg Petrolati wrote: > >> That wasn't Clarkson who nearly died... it was Hammond... > > Depending on your point of view, some feel things should have been the > other way 'round. Though I'm glad that Hammond pulled throug okay. That > was one scary crash. > >> Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > 2010 NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From greenman62 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 6 10:30:07 2010 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (Greg Petrolati) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 16:30:07 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith In-Reply-To: <004601cb1d20$236c7320$6a455960$@com> References: <20100702.161411.15956.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com>, , , <004601cb1d20$236c7320$6a455960$@com> Message-ID: He and his wife wrote a book about his experience, post crash. Amazing. It's a good read and gives an insite on head injuries from the inside. Here's a link. http://www.amazon.com/Edge-My-Story-Richard-Hammond/dp/0753824043 Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: tr4racing at googlemail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 17:30:14 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN9WQfDq7Jk&feature=related > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpcZsGBgvis&feature=related > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Robert M. Lang > Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Juli 2010 16:16 > An: Greg Petrolati > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 > whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith > > On Mon, 5 Jul 2010, Greg Petrolati wrote: > > > That wasn't Clarkson who nearly died... it was Hammond... > > Depending on your point of view, some feel things should have been the > other way 'round. Though I'm glad that Hammond pulled throug okay. That > was one scary crash. > > > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > 2010 NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/greenman62 at hotmail.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jul 6 11:17:30 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 17:17:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Hoosier tire FYI Message-ID: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> For anyone using the Hoosier R6 tires. Spec Miata drivers use the SM 6 which is exactly the same tire as the R6 but 50.00 cheaper. Tire Rack doesn't sell the SM 6. They can be purchased directly from hoosier for $ 164.00 each. They will be available for sale and mounting at Heartland Park by Bob Woodman Tires. If you want the SM 6 give Evan a call at 843 524 8473. I have no financial interest, just an FYI. Jim G From mediehljr at yahoo.com Tue Jul 6 11:48:07 2010 From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 10:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August In-Reply-To: <8CCDC83117E94B0-1FCC-39D1@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCDC83117E94B0-1FCC-39D1@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <446777.49758.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello all. I am sorry to say that I will be unable to attend the Cup event at Heartland in August. It should be quite a spectacle and I wish I could be there. Hope all have a great time. Cheers, Ed. Ed Diehl ----- Original Message ---- From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, June 17, 2010 6:25:06 PM Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August FOT, I just heard a promising word on the Kastner prepared TR4 #37. It should be ready for transport to Heartland Park in August. It will be driven by it's owner, John Nikas. There will be TWO Kastner Sebring TR4s at HRP as Jeff Snook is transporting Keith Files' Sebring TR4. Driver Keith Files will be flying in from London with his wife, Denise, and ace TRIUMPH specialist, John Wood. We may be having some musical surprises, too, but I will save that for another time. This is shaping up to being an unforgettable TRIUMPH RACING WEEKEND. Regards, Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mediehljr at yahoo.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 6 12:05:39 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 20:05:39 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen race In-Reply-To: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <005001cb1d35$d84e8d90$88eba8b0$@com> http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/Videos?authkey=Gv1sRgCMHBos3mjLzQNw#549 0849592001845394 Hi, I had a very hot weekend with 98F weather heat. The tires went hot too and so the engine at close to 217F. But I managed to win my class and came in at 2nd overall. Cheers Chris From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 6 12:10:43 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:10:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August In-Reply-To: <446777.49758.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <8CCDC83117E94B0-1FCC-39D1@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> <446777.49758.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CCEB4DAECCE9E3-1E74-21AE@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> Good to hear from you Ed. Sorry you wont be coming. I will see Tony Adomowicz at Road America and see if he still plans to come. If someone has a Spitfire for him to drive...or any TR...let me know. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Ed Diehl To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August Hello all. I am sorry to say that I will be unable to attend the Cup event at eartland in August. It should be quite a spectacle and I wish I could be there. ope all have a great time. Cheers, Ed. d Diehl ----- Original Message ---- rom: "n197tr4 at cs.com" o: fot at autox.team.net ent: Thu, June 17, 2010 6:25:06 PM ubject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August FOT, I just heard a promising word on the Kastner prepared TR4 #37. It should be eady for transport to Heartland Park in August. t will be driven by it's owner, John Nikas. There will be TWO Kastner Sebring TR4s at HRP as Jeff Snook is transporting eith Files' Sebring TR4. Driver Keith Files will be flying in from London with his wife, Denise, and ce TRIUMPH specialist, John Wood. We may be having some musical surprises, too, but I will save that for another ime. This is shaping up to being an unforgettable TRIUMPH RACING WEEKEND. Regards, Joe A ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mediehljr at yahoo.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 6 12:14:07 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:14:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier tire FYI In-Reply-To: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CCEB4E28DBD83C-1E74-2242@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> This seems like good information and good to know that Woodman is going to be there. Thanks! Joe A -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: fot Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 12:17 pm Subject: [Fot] Hoosier tire FYI For anyone using the Hoosier R6 tires. Spec Miata drivers use the SM 6 which is xactly the same tire as the R6 but 50.00 cheaper. Tire Rack doesn't sell the SM 6. They can be urchased directly from hoosier for $ 164.00 each. They will be available for sale and mounting at eartland Park by Bob Woodman Tires. If you want the SM 6 give Evan a call at 843 524 8473. I have no financial interest, just an FYI. Jim G ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 6 12:52:11 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:52:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] North American Distribution of the Christian Marx Crank Seal. UPDATE Message-ID: <8CCEB5379C6A3A8-1E74-2894@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> VITON SEALS: Christian says it will be a few weeks before the second production run will be done and shipped to the U.S. I believe his seal price is presently $62 per seal, or very close to that.....I will pass that through plus some postage when I ship to you. TOOLING & MODIFIED SCROLLS: I proceeded with the machining of hard tooling to modify the scroll seal. I got the cost of the fixture and the cost per piece today. The outcome looks feasible for me to offer to Triumph owners at a reasonable price, if I can do 10 at a time. If you are interested you could send matched scroll seals in advance and I could proceed with modifying. It looks like it could be a modest $30 for the modified scroll seal. Clean the pieces as best that you can and wire the two pieces together. This will save time and confusion. Bob Kramer donated 4 sets of scroll seals to get this project going. If anyone would like to donate additional seals, that you have lying on the shelf, It will help to keep the cost of the project down. (Thanks Bob!....as usual) Looks like the cost of conversion is going to come in at about $100 with the VITON SEAL and MODIFIED SCROLL. CENTERING TOOL: We are going to select better material for the centering tool than we did for the first trial. Cost is still expected to be low so everyone can have one in their toolbox without borrowing one or guessing at it. This centering tool will work on OEM or OEM/MODIFIED seals. I should have info on this within 7 days. NOTE! A comprehensive article is being written on the installation of this seal for publication in the VTR magazine. This will be made available to the FOT if you not already a member of VTR. Assembly of the engine is now taking place and the article will be available in the next quarterly edition of the TVT. This work is being done by the very progressive TRIUMPH group near Chicago, known as the ISOA. Joe A. From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Jul 6 12:57:12 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 11:57:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August In-Reply-To: <446777.49758.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <8CCDC83117E94B0-1FCC-39D1@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> <446777.49758.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Ed: I am very sorry to hear that. I hope that all is well and that we will run into each other soon. On Jul 6, 2010 11:35 AM, "Ed Diehl" wrote: Hello all. I am sorry to say that I will be unable to attend the Cup event at Heartland in August. It should be quite a spectacle and I wish I could be there. Hope all have a great time. Cheers, Ed. Ed Diehl ----- Original Message ---- From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, June 17, 2010 6:25:06 PM Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August FOT, I just heard a promising word on the Kastner prepared TR4 #37. It should be ready for transpor... Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mediehljr at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donat... From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 6 13:00:09 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 21:00:09 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen race References: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <006001cb1d3d$788258d0$69870a70$@com> Oups - wrong link: http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490849592001845394 -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Juli 2010 20:06 An: 'fot at autox.team.net' Betreff: Assen race http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/Videos?authkey=Gv1sRgCMHBos3mjLzQNw#549 0849592001845394 Hi, I had a very hot weekend with 98F weather heat. The tires went hot too and so the engine at close to 217F. But I managed to win my class and came in at 2nd overall. Cheers Chris From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Jul 6 13:39:20 2010 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 13:39:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Parting out two TR7's Message-ID: I am parting out two TR7's to finance the war machine, the fleet of Triumphs I intend to use in my campaign of world conquest. None of the proceeds will be used to acquire liquid refreshments or to pay off my wife to allow me to go work in the garage. All the funds will be used to purchase hardware or petroleum distillates. I have two pretty good cars that have spent the majority of therre lives in the dry southwest so there is not much rust and no crash damage in the bodies. I price the stuff realistically and rarely refuse a cash offer. Let me know if I can help you with a part................................Cheers Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM 505-259-1537...... From s.janzen at comcast.net Tue Jul 6 13:56:43 2010 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 15:56:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Assen race In-Reply-To: <006001cb1d3d$788258d0$69870a70$@com> References: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <006001cb1d3d$788258d0$69870a70$@com> Message-ID: Hmmm, the "scenery" at the start of this vintage race is a bit different than most of our U.S. events! On Jul 6, 2010, at 3:00 PM, MadMarx wrote: Oups - wrong link: http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490849592001845394 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 6 13:58:34 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 21:58:34 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen race In-Reply-To: References: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <006001cb1d3d$788258d0$69870a70$@com> Message-ID: <007101cb1d45$9f0401e0$dd0c05a0$@com> Yes, it disturbed my focus on the race a little. Good that we have done an information lap after the girls left the tracklane. Got my focus back. Von: Scott Janzen [mailto:s.janzen at comcast.net] Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Juli 2010 21:57 An: MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Assen race Hmmm, the "scenery" at the start of this vintage race is a bit different than most of our U.S. events! On Jul 6, 2010, at 3:00 PM, MadMarx wrote: Oups - wrong link: http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490849592001845394 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jul 6 14:25:59 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 20:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1887821072.957141278447959775.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> " run into each other soon" >From anyone that doesn't race a car that would have flown right on by me. I got a bit of a laugh. I hope the stewards determine it to be unavoidable contact when you do...run into each other. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Nikas" To: "Ed Diehl" Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2010 12:57:12 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August Dear Ed: I am very sorry to hear that. I hope that all is well and that we will run into each other soon. On Jul 6, 2010 11:35 AM, "Ed Diehl" wrote: Hello all. I am sorry to say that I will be unable to attend the Cup event at Heartland in August. It should be quite a spectacle and I wish I could be there. Hope all have a great time. Cheers, Ed. Ed Diehl ----- Original Message ---- From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, June 17, 2010 6:25:06 PM Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August FOT, I just heard a promising word on the Kastner prepared TR4 #37. It should be ready for transpor... Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mediehljr at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donat... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Jul 6 14:28:46 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 13:28:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August In-Reply-To: <1887821072.957141278447959775.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1887821072.957141278447959775.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Uh, make that see each other soon. On Jul 6, 2010 1:26 PM, wrote: " run into each other soon" >From anyone that doesn't race a car that would have flown right on by me. I got a bit of a laugh. I hope the stewards determine it to be unavoidable contact when you do...run into each other. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Nikas" To: "Ed Diehl" References: <007701cb1d4e$71439460$53cabd20$@com> <20100706172408.MU74K.1040811.imail@fed1rmwml45> Message-ID: <007c01cb1d55$af07f0f0$0d17d2d0$@com> First race: http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490849592001845394 And the 2nd race: http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490913310955281954 Cheers Chris From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 6 15:53:40 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:53:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ATTENDING HVR? Message-ID: <8CCEB6CD490F925-1E74-487E@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> If you are a FOT but not entering and are not attached as 'CREW', please let me know. We might be able to put you to work in exchange for VIP PASSES. All bases are covered, but there may be a need for short term volunteer work. Joe A From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jul 6 23:49:29 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 00:49:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ATTENDING HVR? In-Reply-To: <8CCEB6CD490F925-1E74-487E@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCEB6CD490F925-1E74-487E@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20100707054846.981E118765E@autox.team.net> Note that early bird entry ends on July 15 (just filling it out myself). It's an extra $50 if you're late... - Tony At 04:53 PM 7/6/2010, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >If you are a FOT but not entering and are not attached as 'CREW', please let >me know. > >We might be able to put you to work in exchange for VIP PASSES. > >All bases are covered, but there may be a need for short term volunteer work. > >Joe A >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 7 07:57:57 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:57:57 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen race In-Reply-To: <4C33C1CB.7070800@pobox.com> References: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <005001cb1d35$d84e8d90$88eba8b0$@com> <4C33C1CB.7070800@pobox.com> Message-ID: <002a01cb1ddc$68e6fc10$3ab4f430$@com> Same race, different car: TR6 http://picasaweb.google.com/hzkrace/Videos#5490928013400578610 MadMarx wrote: > http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/Videos?authkey=Gv1sRgCMHBos3mjLzQNw#549 > 0849592001845394 > > Hi, > > I had a very hot weekend with 98F weather heat. > The tires went hot too and so the engine at close to 217F. > > But I managed to win my class and came in at 2nd overall. > > Cheers > Chris From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Jul 7 11:43:03 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 11:43:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Heartland configuration and pits Message-ID: <473AD64A-0D7A-448E-A078-4E2B89D6358B@earthlink.net> Hello all, Looking at the Heartland Park web-site [ http://www.hpt.com/ ] I see 4 track configurations. What will we be using? Also, the HVR web-site [ http://heartlandvintageracing.com/ ] mentions "special" pit area for us. Anyone know where that will be? I'm thinking of getting a garage or at least a pit with power but don't want to reserve anything away from the FoT "action". Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Jul 7 11:45:03 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 17:45:03 GMT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen National Message-ID: <20100707.134503.26594.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Any FOTers going to be around Watkins Glen this weekend? I will be racing my TR3 in the SCCA Double National. Look me up if you will be around. Also, I have room on my crew list if there is interest. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c34bd274f1ae1b2f80st03duc From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 7 12:25:50 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 20:25:50 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen race In-Reply-To: References: <007701cb1d4e$71439460$53cabd20$@com>, <20100706172408.MU74K.1040811.imail@fed1rmwml45>, <007c01cb1d55$af07f0f0$0d17d2d0$@com> Message-ID: <001201cb1e01$d4fdbb30$7ef93190$@com> The Morgan is a +8 and Im really unhappy with his driving but he is another capacity class so I dont care too much. Im working on a race report about the race where he gets a special speech. Cheers Chris Von: Dan Forgey [mailto:cofrog at q.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. Juli 2010 18:07 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: RE: [Fot] Assen race Chris, The Morgan driver was pretty aggressive to say the least. Is the Morgan a Super Sport or something else? Seems pretty quick for a Plus four or Four Four. Dan Forgey > From: tr4racing at googlemail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 23:53:33 +0200 > Subject: [Fot] Assen race > > First race: > > http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490849592001845394 > > And the 2nd race: > > http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490913310955281954 > > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 7 12:28:21 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 20:28:21 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen race In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FBD9@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <006001cb1d3d$788258d0$69870a70$@com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FBD9@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <001701cb1e02$2eaeda10$8c0c8e30$@com> I would say that we normally do close racing but never push other cars off track as we are only there for the beer. The Morgan did a little dirty driving I never would do. But this is what prevents me from becoming a pro racer, because I'm not willing to touch other cars. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. Juli 2010 16:46 An: MadMarx Betreff: RE: [Fot] Assen race Wow - that's some really aggressive driving by the Morgan driver, for a vintage race. Is this normal? Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 2:00 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Assen race Oups - wrong link: http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490849592001845394 -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Juli 2010 20:06 An: 'fot at autox.team.net' Betreff: Assen race http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/Videos?authkey=Gv1sRgCMHBos3mjLzQNw #549 0849592001845394 Hi, I had a very hot weekend with 98F weather heat. The tires went hot too and so the engine at close to 217F. But I managed to win my class and came in at 2nd overall. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From adams910 at gmail.com Wed Jul 7 12:35:17 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:35:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen National In-Reply-To: <20100707.134503.26594.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> References: <20100707.134503.26594.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: "The 71 Crowd" will be there with Kyle Disque's GTL Toyota and Chris Howard's FP Miata. From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 7 16:43:22 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 18:43:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] OIL COOLER SYSTEM AVAILABLE - TR3 TR4 Message-ID: <8CCEC3CEFEC3C84-1B0-2EC0@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> LIST, After hearing a thread on oil coolers, I remembered that I had the complete system on a shelf somewhere. I installed in 1992 and removed it when I decided we were running oil temps lower than desired and taping the cooler opening to raise temps. I elected not to install on the AMBRO either as it will likely only see light duty. Sandwich Plate & Attachment Hardware Braided Hoses & All Fittings Oil Cooler $125.00 To the FOT or off to eBAY with it. Thanks, Joe A From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Wed Jul 7 17:29:43 2010 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 19:29:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] I'm in Message-ID: <4C350DE7.9080403@twcny.rr.com> Sorry for bombing the list but I couldn't figure out how to respond to just Joe. I would love to drop by this weekend if you have crew space. Best, Mark From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 7 18:07:12 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 20:07:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Heartland configuration and pits for the FOT In-Reply-To: <71D45743356C49A98E5AA518B112FF23@main> References: <473AD64A-0D7A-448E-A078-4E2B89D6358B@earthlink.net> <8CCEC1BE5076097-1E74-F784@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> <71D45743356C49A98E5AA518B112FF23@main> Message-ID: <8CCEC48A693812B-1B0-3C13@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> Fot: See description of our location at Heartland, below. It sounds like we will be in proximity of the GARAGES if anyone wants to rent same. (A lot of detailed planning has gone into this inaugural event that we will benefit by.) If you have any new/used parts you want sell, you might consider getting together with a couple of guys and renting vendor space for $100 10' x 20' My regards to primary organizer Bill Rinke.....one of the AGE & TREACHERY guys from the area. Joe A Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 6:11 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland configuration and pits Joe, the Map on the website under the Racing button does show the facility layout. The garages do have designated parking areas in front of them for support vehicles. Right behind or East of that area (running north to south) is where we will have a roped off area for all of the Triumphs that plan to be in the Kastner Cup race. That area will be secured and will only allow Triumph race cars into it. I am guessing about 45-50 Triumph race drivers will paddock in that area. Obviously, some drivers will want to paddock with their buddies and that is fine but they will be elsewhere within the paddock area. The Exhibition Group cars will be in a secure area just East of where the Kastner Cup cars are to be located. Hope this answers your question. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: Lunkercars at earthlink.net ; brinke at cebridge.net Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland configuration and pits Bill, Do you have a drawing of our intended location? Joe -----Original Message----- From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer To: fot Triumph Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 12:43 pm Subject: [Fot] Heartland configuration and pits Hello all, ooking at the Heartland Park web-site [ http://www.hpt.com/ ] I see track configurations. What will we be using? lso, the HVR web-site [ http://heartlandvintageracing.com/ ] entions "special" pit area for us. Anyone know where that will be? 'm thinking of getting a garage or at least a pit with power but on't want to reserve anything away from the FoT "action". Greg "Lunker" Hilyer R4 #314 lbuquerque NM ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2987 - Release Date: 07/07/10 01:36:00 From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jul 7 18:20:14 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 18:20:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Assen race In-Reply-To: <002a01cb1ddc$68e6fc10$3ab4f430$@com> References: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <005001cb1d35$d84e8d90$88eba8b0$@com> <4C33C1CB.7070800@pobox.com> <002a01cb1ddc$68e6fc10$3ab4f430$@com> Message-ID: <4C3519BE.5020706@bradakis.com> Yes indeed, I did like the pit marshalls. *PIT* marshalls, Mark, with a 'P' - Pit mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jul 7 19:01:35 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 19:01:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] I'm in In-Reply-To: <4C350DE7.9080403@twcny.rr.com> References: <4C350DE7.9080403@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <4C35236F.8010700@bradakis.com> Mark Eginton wrote: > Sorry for bombing the list but I couldn't figure out how to respond to > just Joe. In most web based mail programs you can click on a 'Reply' button or some such. For Team.Net lists that reply should go just to the person who sent the message. A 'Reply All' will usually go to the person who sent the message AND the list. Many list admins have the reply address set to go to the whole list and not just the original poster. In my opinion, though, it is easier to resend a message to the whole list after you realize you only sent it to one person than it is to "unsend" a message you meant to go to only one person but went to the entire list. Sort of a "Did I really say that out loud?" sort of situation. On a side note, I don't think any of you are affected by the AT&T block of Team.Net, but I will be going through the bounce and list removal logs to make sure. What fun. mjb. mjb. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jul 8 16:19:27 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 17:19:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Assen race References: <007701cb1d4e$71439460$53cabd20$@com>, <20100706172408.MU74K.1040811.imail@fed1rmwml45>, <007c01cb1d55$af07f0f0$0d17d2d0$@com> <001201cb1e01$d4fdbb30$7ef93190$@com> Message-ID: <863B22DC806046AB9C42B3903D399955@latitudefb1e41> I seem to remember a Plus 8 Morgan at the 2004 VIR Gold Cup Triumph event that acted similarly. He couldn't stand being out braked by lowly TR4's so he would dive deep into the turns only to spin. I watched him spin 3 times, twice in one race. In our racing group, CVAR, you get a stop and go for the first one, and are parked for the second one. This guy got to keep driving with no penalties. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Assen race > The Morgan is a +8 and Im really unhappy with his driving but he is > another > capacity class so I dont care too much. Im working on a race report > about > the race where he gets a special speech. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > Von: Dan Forgey [mailto:cofrog at q.com] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. Juli 2010 18:07 > An: tr4racing at googlemail.com > Betreff: RE: [Fot] Assen race > > > > Chris, > > The Morgan driver was pretty aggressive to say the least. Is the Morgan a > Super Sport or something else? Seems pretty quick for a Plus four or Four > Four. > > Dan Forgey > >> From: tr4racing at googlemail.com >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 23:53:33 +0200 >> Subject: [Fot] Assen race >> >> First race: >> >> http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490849592001845394 >> >> And the 2nd race: >> >> http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490913310955281954 >> >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From s.janzen at comcast.net Thu Jul 8 20:26:46 2010 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 22:26:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] u-joint alignment? Message-ID: <034DEBD8-2B4B-4823-AED6-73959F0F15A0@comcast.net> On drive shafts and half shafts, should the axis of the u-joints be aligned to the one on the other end, perpendicular, or something in between, or does it matter? On the half-shafts on my GT6, I don't think I can get perfect alignment given how the spines are machined - looks to be 5-10 degrees off. From mpendy at dishmail.net Fri Jul 9 07:33:56 2010 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 06:33:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods Message-ID: Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application of the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they sounded like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input ??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jul 9 08:41:49 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 09:41:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100709144107.B9DFD18765E@autox.team.net> Here's what I was able to find on the chevy rods - Message from Jack in 2007: I continue to work on lower cost rods for our TR's. I need an indication of the level of interest in the Triumph community for this project. if I can get about five customers, the project is a "go". Here's what I have come up with so far: Four aftermarket Chevy rods, pins, clips, and spacers for $500 Here's how this works: The rods are the right length so TR pistons can be used. The crank must be turned a few thousandths to accept the Chevy rod bearing. The rods would be modified by my machine shop so the upper end is the right diameter for the stock TR pin. Two spacers for each piston would be included. These rods are 50 grams lighter than the Carillos so theoretically they give a significant acceleration advantage. They are made by Probe, a supplier to the V8 racing community. These rods are narrower than the TR rod, so they leave a gap on each side of the rod down on the crank journal. The rods are guided by the piston, with a high strength aluminum spacer on each side of the upper end of the rod.This is not a problem for the lubrication system. it just requires one more turn on the pressure adjusting screw to take care of additional flow at high rpm. The crank journals must be ground by a few thousandsths. Then you use .020 undersize Chevy bearings which are quite a bit lower in cost. Grinding it undersize is no problem for future grinds because these Chevy bearings are made in undersizes down to .060 undersize. uncle jack Unfortunately, he didn't include info on which rods he was using. Stock rods are 6.125" bore to bore. I suspect that it's something like this: http://www.jegs.com/i/Eagle/356/CRS6250B3D/10002/-1?parentProductId=744628 The crank diameter is pretty much right with that rod - the crank journal specified in the text is 2.100", and ours is 2.086 when not undersized. Grind 6 thou off and you can use the bearings as specified above. I believe that there was a minor mod to the rods to allow them to pass through an 87mm liner. Piston spacers were made from 6160 aluminum. - Tony Drews At 08:33 AM 7/9/2010, you wrote: >Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application of >the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor >engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they sounded >like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input >??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Jul 9 09:05:12 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:05:12 EDT Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods Message-ID: <39ce0.62baab05.396894a8@cs.com> We have had them in our engine for about three years. I am looking for the spec sheet on them.......somewhere on my computer. They require grinding the crank to another dimension so you can use Chevy Bearings (cheap & good) (Clevite 777?) They also need to be rebushed with good bronze bushings. Spacers need to be produced to center the rod in the piston. I adjusted the pressure on the oil pressure regulator up slightly to get it back to the same reading, as it is narrower at the low end. I'd have to say that I am pleased with Uncle Jack's research leading to this change. There are some one time costs, but that should settle out to bearing replacement. I think the Clevite bearings about $25 for a set of eight. Joe A > Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application > of > the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor > engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they > sounded > like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input > ??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 > From bownes at seiri.com Fri Jul 9 09:28:24 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:28:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: <39ce0.62baab05.396894a8@cs.com> References: <39ce0.62baab05.396894a8@cs.com> Message-ID: Now if only we could find something similar for the 6 cylinder... On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:05 AM, wrote: > We have had them in our engine for about three years. > > I am looking for the spec sheet on them.......somewhere on my computer. > > They require grinding the crank to another dimension so you can use Chevy > Bearings (cheap & good) (Clevite 777?) > > They also need to be rebushed with good bronze bushings. > > Spacers need to be produced to center the rod in the piston. > > I adjusted the pressure on the oil pressure regulator up slightly to get it > back to the same reading, as it is narrower at the low end. > > I'd have to say that I am pleased with Uncle Jack's research leading to > this change. > > There are some one time costs, but that should settle out to bearing > replacement. > > I think the Clevite bearings about $25 for a set of eight. > > Joe A > > > > > Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application > > of > > the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor > > engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they > > sounded > > like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input > > ??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From John.Reed at wilson.com Fri Jul 9 09:39:15 2010 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 10:39:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ditto On 7/9/10 10:28 AM, "robert bownes" wrote: > Now if only we could find something similar for the 6 cylinder... > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:05 AM, wrote: > >> We have had them in our engine for about three years. >> >> I am looking for the spec sheet on them.......somewhere on my computer. >> >> They require grinding the crank to another dimension so you can use Chevy >> Bearings (cheap & good) (Clevite 777?) >> >> They also need to be rebushed with good bronze bushings. >> >> Spacers need to be produced to center the rod in the piston. >> >> I adjusted the pressure on the oil pressure regulator up slightly to get it >> back to the same reading, as it is narrower at the low end. >> >> I'd have to say that I am pleased with Uncle Jack's research leading to >> this change. >> >> There are some one time costs, but that should settle out to bearing >> replacement. >> >> I think the Clevite bearings about $25 for a set of eight. >> >> Joe A >> >> >> >>> Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application >>> of >>> the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor >>> engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they >>> sounded >>> like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input >>> ??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john.reed at wilson.com > > Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From fasttrs at yahoo.com Fri Jul 9 09:53:20 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 10:53:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: References: <39ce0.62baab05.396894a8@cs.com> Message-ID: Amen! Carrillos were 480 the last time I checked. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2010, at 10:28 AM, robert bownes wrote: > Now if only we could find something similar for the 6 cylinder... > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:05 AM, wrote: > >> We have had them in our engine for about three years. >> >> I am looking for the spec sheet on them.......somewhere on my computer. >> >> They require grinding the crank to another dimension so you can use Chevy >> Bearings (cheap & good) (Clevite 777?) >> >> They also need to be rebushed with good bronze bushings. >> >> Spacers need to be produced to center the rod in the piston. >> >> I adjusted the pressure on the oil pressure regulator up slightly to get it >> back to the same reading, as it is narrower at the low end. >> >> I'd have to say that I am pleased with Uncle Jack's research leading to >> this change. >> >> There are some one time costs, but that should settle out to bearing >> replacement. >> >> I think the Clevite bearings about $25 for a set of eight. >> >> Joe A >> >> >> >>> Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application >>> of >>> the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor >>> engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they >>> sounded >>> like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input >>> ??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Jul 9 09:55:58 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 10:55:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C37468E.5010601@pobox.com> The rods I used are made by Skat for 2.10 inch crank pins and 6.25 length. You can find bearings for as small as 2.00. I modified (welded) the crankshaft by making the bearing journal narrower. An old post by Greg Solow indicated modifying the crank to increase the radius where they always crack is a good idea, so I did that at the same time. The only problem with this was that welding on the crank made it difficult to straighten for grinding and nitriding. You could also have a Moldex made for Chevy rods. I was having custom pistons made by Wiseco and had them made for the chevy wrist pin (no extra cost). I don't like the way that chevy rod bearings are not symmetric (side-to-side) because they are designed for one side to be against the neighboring rod (no radius). I think a better bet are the Skat rods for a VW Jetta. They are a bit longer than stock TR4, but that is not a problem if you are having customs pistons made. Other possibilities for rods are the Ford Triton V8 and (believe it are not) 7 inch rods for the Ford Flathead V8 (very light). Larry Young Mark Pendergrass wrote: > Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application of > the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor > engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they sounded > like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input > ??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jul 9 10:53:38 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 18:53:38 +0200 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: <4C37468E.5010601@pobox.com> References: <4C37468E.5010601@pobox.com> Message-ID: <000301cb1f87$4834ffb0$d89eff10$@com> I run also Scat rods (2-54L-6657) from a Ford which has the same diameter than Triumph. The rods length is 6.65". I center the rod with the piston which are narrow made to the rods specific. I run this config since 2008 and I does last. This year I test a very tight rod bearing clearance - 0.00157" to see if the bearing wear is decreased as the bearings tend to run on their edge with much clearance. Over the next weeks I open the motor to have a look and can tell you. This year the engine has run 625 race mls and 400 street mls this year. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Larry Young Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 17:56 An: Mark Pendergrass Cc: friends of triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods The rods I used are made by Skat for 2.10 inch crank pins and 6.25 length. You can find bearings for as small as 2.00. I modified (welded) the crankshaft by making the bearing journal narrower. An old post by Greg Solow indicated modifying the crank to increase the radius where they always crack is a good idea, so I did that at the same time. The only problem with this was that welding on the crank made it difficult to straighten for grinding and nitriding. You could also have a Moldex made for Chevy rods. I was having custom pistons made by Wiseco and had them made for the chevy wrist pin (no extra cost). I don't like the way that chevy rod bearings are not symmetric (side-to-side) because they are designed for one side to be against the neighboring rod (no radius). I think a better bet are the Skat rods for a VW Jetta. They are a bit longer than stock TR4, but that is not a problem if you are having customs pistons made. Other possibilities for rods are the Ford Triton V8 and (believe it are not) 7 inch rods for the Ford Flathead V8 (very light). Larry Young Mark Pendergrass wrote: > Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application of > the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor > engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they sounded > like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input > ??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Fri Jul 9 12:29:52 2010 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 18:29:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? Message-ID: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello All: Need some opinions on what I think might be a problem with my 1969 TR6 water temp gauge is an electrical unit. Scenario: recently, I've noticed the car running a bit hot, ie, the needle within an 1/8" of the red zone on the gauge. I recall at normal operating temp, the needle should be closer to half way (ambient daytime temps in the 80 - 90 degree range). Once the needle reaches this "hot" location, it never seems to come back down at all, regardless of whether I'm at speed or stopped. To me, this is not normal. What I've done so far: flushed the cooling system, filled with about 35% anit-freeze, remainder with distilled water; added a few ounces of Water Wetter; new temp sensor, new thermostat (180 degree), timing checked and spot on. So far no difference in the way the gauge reacts, indicates the engine is still running hot so I'm wondering if I might have a gauge going bad. Anyone have an experience with a faulty water temp gauge? Does it gradually go bad and give false readings? Thanks. Gary From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Fri Jul 9 13:02:08 2010 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 19:02:08 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20100709190208.THG9W.138377.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> I'd pull the sensor and put it in some hot or boiling water while hooked to your gauge and see what it reads. Bob ---- vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote: > Hello All: > > > Need some opinions on what I think might be a problem with my 1969 TR6 water temp gauge is an electrical unit. Scenario: recently, I've noticed the car running a bit hot, ie, the needle within an 1/8" of the red zone on the gauge. I recall at normal operating temp, the needle should be closer to half way (ambient daytime temps in the 80 - 90 degree range). Once the needle reaches this "hot" location, it never seems to come back down at all, regardless of whether I'm at speed or stopped. To me, this is not normal. > > > What I've done so far: flushed the cooling system, filled with about 35% anit-freeze, remainder with distilled water; added a few ounces of Water Wetter; new temp sensor, new thermostat (180 degree), timing checked and spot on. So far no difference in the way the gauge reacts, indicates the engine is still running hot so I'm wondering if I might have a gauge going bad. Anyone have an experience with a faulty water temp gauge? Does it gradually go bad and give false readings? Thanks. > > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Jul 9 13:06:42 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 12:06:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <002001cb1f99$deb6cb50$9c2461f0$@rr.com> > Need some opinions on what I think might be a problem with my 1969 TR6 > water temp gauge is an electrical unit. Well, that's your first mistake, IMO. For racing, I would definitely replace that thing with a 270 sweep mechanical unit. > Does it gradually go bad and give false readings? If this is the stock TR6 gauge, I would suspect the voltage stabilizer; which is a little metal can on the back of the speedo (I think). The gauge is voltage dependant and expects a 10 volt (average) supply. The VS chops up the voltage from the battery, to create a long-term 10 volt average to the gauge. -- Randall From riverside at southslope.net Fri Jul 9 14:01:41 2010 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 15:01:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <002001cb1f99$deb6cb50$9c2461f0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <004201cb1fa1$8d3fb770$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor on sale at 29.95. it has a slug of uses including verifying temp gauge accuracy. art de armond ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? >> Need some opinions on what I think might be a problem with my 1969 TR6 >> water temp gauge is an electrical unit. > > Well, that's your first mistake, IMO. For racing, I would definitely > replace that thing with a 270 sweep mechanical unit. > >> Does it gradually go bad and give false readings? > > If this is the stock TR6 gauge, I would suspect the voltage stabilizer; > which is a little metal can on the back of the speedo (I think). The > gauge > is voltage dependant and expects a 10 volt (average) supply. The VS chops > up the voltage from the battery, to create a long-term 10 volt average to > the gauge. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Jul 9 15:21:36 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 14:21:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <004201cb1fa1$8d3fb770$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <002001cb1f99$deb6cb50$9c2461f0$@rr.com> <004201cb1fa1$8d3fb770$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <000601cb1fac$b7038bd0$250aa370$@rr.com> > Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor > on sale at 29.95. it has a slug of uses including > verifying temp gauge accuracy. But be careful what you try to shoot with it. I have one, and while it works well enough on the radiator tanks, it gives readings that are all over the place from the thermostat housing or radiator core. -- Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jul 9 15:31:35 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 23:31:35 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <000601cb1fac$b7038bd0$250aa370$@rr.com> References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <002001cb1f99$deb6cb50$9c2461f0$@rr.com> <004201cb1fa1$8d3fb770$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> <000601cb1fac$b7038bd0$250aa370$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000801cb1fae$1e0696f0$5a13c4d0$@com> Infrared gauges are precise on colored surfaces like a black coated radiator or rubber hoses. If you try to measure polished metal surfaces you will get much lower readings which has something to do with radiation on metal surfaces. If you would like to measure the thermostat housing put a strap tape on the housing, wait a few seconds for the tape to adjust temperature and then measure the tape and you'll get the correct temperature. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Randall Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:22 An: 'Friends of Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor > on sale at 29.95. it has a slug of uses including > verifying temp gauge accuracy. But be careful what you try to shoot with it. I have one, and while it works well enough on the radiator tanks, it gives readings that are all over the place from the thermostat housing or radiator core. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From bownes at seiri.com Fri Jul 9 15:38:14 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 17:38:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <000801cb1fae$1e0696f0$5a13c4d0$@com> References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <002001cb1f99$deb6cb50$9c2461f0$@rr.com> <004201cb1fa1$8d3fb770$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> <000601cb1fac$b7038bd0$250aa370$@rr.com> <000801cb1fae$1e0696f0$5a13c4d0$@com> Message-ID: How are they on tires? On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:31 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Infrared gauges are precise on colored surfaces like a black coated > radiator > or rubber hoses. > If you try to measure polished metal surfaces you will get much lower > readings which has something to do with radiation on metal surfaces. > > If you would like to measure the thermostat housing put a strap tape on the > housing, wait a few seconds for the tape to adjust temperature and then > measure the tape and you'll get the correct temperature. > > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Randall > Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:22 > An: 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > > > Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor > > on sale at 29.95. it has a slug of uses including > > verifying temp gauge accuracy. > > But be careful what you try to shoot with it. I have one, and while it > works well enough on the radiator tanks, it gives readings that are all > over > the place from the thermostat housing or radiator core. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jul 9 15:42:13 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 23:42:13 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <002001cb1f99$deb6cb50$9c2461f0$@rr.com> <004201cb1fa1$8d3fb770$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> <000601cb1fac$b7038bd0$250aa370$@rr.com> <000801cb1fae$1e0696f0$5a13c4d0$@com> Message-ID: <000c01cb1faf$9ac969a0$d05c3ce0$@com> I use them on tires very successful. But if you measure your tire temperature after youve driven through the paddock a probe type sensor which you push into the surface for a few millimeters is better at that point because the surface is cooling down fast while deeper under the surface the heat remains longer. So if you measure in the paddock add a few degree F. Chris Von: robert bownes [mailto:bownes at seiri.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:38 An: MadMarx Cc: Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? How are they on tires? On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:31 PM, MadMarx wrote: Infrared gauges are precise on colored surfaces like a black coated radiator or rubber hoses. If you try to measure polished metal surfaces you will get much lower readings which has something to do with radiation on metal surfaces. If you would like to measure the thermostat housing put a strap tape on the housing, wait a few seconds for the tape to adjust temperature and then measure the tape and you'll get the correct temperature. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Randall Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:22 An: 'Friends of Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor > on sale at 29.95. it has a slug of uses including > verifying temp gauge accuracy. But be careful what you try to shoot with it. I have one, and while it works well enough on the radiator tanks, it gives readings that are all over the place from the thermostat housing or radiator core. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From riverside at southslope.net Fri Jul 9 16:04:34 2010 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 17:04:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><002001cb1f99$deb6cb50$9c2461f0$@rr.com><004201cb1fa1$8d3fb770$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2><000601cb1fac$b7038bd0$250aa370$@rr.com><000801cb1fae$1e0696f0$5a13c4d0$@com> <000c01cb1faf$9ac969a0$d05c3ce0$@com> Message-ID: <005101cb1fb2$b74763e0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> mine gets erratic when near ignition system components. art d ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? >I use them on tires very successful. > > But if you measure your tire temperature after youve driven through the > paddock a probe type sensor which you push into the surface for a few > millimeters is better at that point because the surface is cooling down > fast > while deeper under the surface the heat remains longer. > > So if you measure in the paddock add a few degree F. > > > > Chris > > > > Von: robert bownes [mailto:bownes at seiri.com] > Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:38 > An: MadMarx > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > > > > How are they on tires? > > > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:31 PM, MadMarx wrote: > > Infrared gauges are precise on colored surfaces like a black coated > radiator > or rubber hoses. > If you try to measure polished metal surfaces you will get much lower > readings which has something to do with radiation on metal surfaces. > > If you would like to measure the thermostat housing put a strap tape on > the > housing, wait a few seconds for the tape to adjust temperature and then > measure the tape and you'll get the correct temperature. > > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Randall > Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:22 > An: 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > >> Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor >> on sale at 29.95. it has a slug of uses including >> verifying temp gauge accuracy. > > But be careful what you try to shoot with it. I have one, and while it > works well enough on the radiator tanks, it gives readings that are all > over > the place from the thermostat housing or radiator core. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net From pcdelux at verizon.net Fri Jul 9 16:36:21 2010 From: pcdelux at verizon.net (William Dewar) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:36:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <002001cb1f99$deb6cb50$9c2461f0$@rr.com> <004201cb1fa1$8d3fb770$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> <000601cb1fac$b7038bd0$250aa370$@rr.com> <000801cb1fae$1e0696f0$5a13c4d0$@com> Message-ID: <002f01cb1fb7$28a4db40$2101a8c0@userge6zixcg5r> Definitely verify the actual temperature. I have seen many new sending units for MGB and TR6 that read high. Bill DeWar NJTA ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > Infrared gauges are precise on colored surfaces like a black coated > radiator > or rubber hoses. > If you try to measure polished metal surfaces you will get much lower > readings which has something to do with radiation on metal surfaces. > > If you would like to measure the thermostat housing put a strap tape on > the > housing, wait a few seconds for the tape to adjust temperature and then > measure the tape and you'll get the correct temperature. > > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Randall > Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:22 > An: 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > >> Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor >> on sale at 29.95. it has a slug of uses including >> verifying temp gauge accuracy. > > But be careful what you try to shoot with it. I have one, and while it > works well enough on the radiator tanks, it gives readings that are all > over > the place from the thermostat housing or radiator core. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pcdelux at verizon.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Jul 9 16:46:11 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 22:46:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <792380626.1997701278715571410.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I wouldn't use an infrared gauge on tires if you are trying to get three points on the tire. You really need a probe. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert bownes" To: "MadMarx" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, July 9, 2010 3:38:14 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? How are they on tires? On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:31 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Infrared gauges are precise on colored surfaces like a black coated > radiator > or rubber hoses. > If you try to measure polished metal surfaces you will get much lower > readings which has something to do with radiation on metal surfaces. > > If you would like to measure the thermostat housing put a strap tape on the > housing, wait a few seconds for the tape to adjust temperature and then > measure the tape and you'll get the correct temperature. > > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Randall > Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:22 > An: 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > > > Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor > > on sale at 29.95. B B it has a slug of uses including > > verifying temp gauge accuracy. > > But be careful what you try to shoot with it. B I have one, and while it > works well enough on the radiator tanks, it gives readings that are all > over > the place from the thermostat housing or radiator core. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Fri Jul 9 16:57:45 2010 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:57:45 +1000 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods Message-ID: the though of narrower rods at the big end region worries me. I run an engine shop, and know from bitter experience, that excessive side clearance at the big end, is a major source of engine rattles and loss of oil pressure. most rods have a limit of about 0.005"-0.008" and in our race engines, we run them down as low as we can get. there are plenty of custom made rods for TR engines, so why would one bother with an concept that has an intrinsic design flaw? Terry O'Beirne From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 9 17:12:23 2010 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 16:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <927947.55742.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> .....and then there are those who would embrace that condition at the big end. less friction etc. DD the though of narrower rods at the big end region worries me. I run an engine shop, and know from bitter experience, that excessive side clearance at the big end, is a major source of engine rattles and loss of oil pressure. most rods have a limit of about 0.005"-0.008" and in our race engines, we run them down as low as we can get. there are plenty of custom made rods for TR engines, so why would one bother with an concept that has an intrinsic design flaw? Terry O'Beirne _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Fri Jul 9 17:52:20 2010 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 19:52:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: In my case with a TR4A, the fuel gauge also was reading incorrectly. A new voltage stabilizer fixed the problem. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:29 PM Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > Hello All: > > > Need some opinions on what I think might be a problem with my 1969 TR6 > water temp gauge is an electrical unit. Scenario: recently, I've noticed > the car running a bit hot, ie, the needle within an 1/8" of the red zone > on the gauge. I recall at normal operating temp, the needle should be > closer to half way (ambient daytime temps in the 80 - 90 degree range). > Once the needle reaches this "hot" location, it never seems to come back > down at all, regardless of whether I'm at speed or stopped. To me, this is > not normal. > > > What I've done so far: flushed the cooling system, filled with about 35% > anit-freeze, remainder with distilled water; added a few ounces of Water > Wetter; new temp sensor, new thermostat (180 degree), timing checked and > spot on. So far no difference in the way the gauge reacts, indicates the > engine is still running hot so I'm wondering if I might have a gauge going > bad. Anyone have an experience with a faulty water temp gauge? Does it > gradually go bad and give false readings? Thanks. > > > Gary From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Jul 9 19:13:49 2010 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 20:13:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000e01cb1fcd$27cfaef0$776f0cd0$@com> As I recall, the voltage stabilizer also supplies the voltage for the fuel gauge in the stock setup, at least on the TR4-A. So if it's the voltage stabilizer you would also have erratic readings on the fuel gauge. Also, as I recall, when the voltage stabilizer goes bad, both the temp and fuel gauge get pegged. Happened to my wife when driving the TR4-A many, many years ago, so memory may not be correct. I'd have to check an original schematic and compare to the TR6 schematic. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of vintage.racer at comcast.net Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 1:30 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? Hello All: Need some opinions on what I think might be a problem with my 1969 TR6 water temp gauge is an electrical unit. Scenario: recently, I've noticed the car running a bit hot, ie, the needle within an 1/8" of the red zone on the gauge. I recall at normal operating temp, the needle should be closer to half way (ambient daytime temps in the 80 - 90 degree range). Once the needle reaches this "hot" location, it never seems to come back down at all, regardless of whether I'm at speed or stopped. To me, this is not normal. What I've done so far: flushed the cooling system, filled with about 35% anit-freeze, remainder with distilled water; added a few ounces of Water Wetter; new temp sensor, new thermostat (180 degree), timing checked and spot on. So far no difference in the way the gauge reacts, indicates the engine is still running hot so I'm wondering if I might have a gauge going bad. Anyone have an experience with a faulty water temp gauge? Does it gradually go bad and give false readings? Thanks. Gary _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jul 9 21:34:22 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 23:34:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CCEDF7EBD51FAB-34D0-DC5C@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> my voltage stabilizer was missing and read high, of course. installed it and the tr4 showed normal operating temps. -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Van Vlack To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; Friends of Triumph Sent: Fri, Jul 9, 2010 6:52 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In my case with a TR4A, the fuel gauge also was reading incorrectly. A new voltage stabilizer fixed the problem. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:29 PM Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > Hello All: > > > Need some opinions on what I think might be a problem with my 1969 TR6 > water temp gauge is an electrical unit. Scenario: recently, I've noticed > the car running a bit hot, ie, the needle within an 1/8" of the red zone > on the gauge. I recall at normal operating temp, the needle should be > closer to half way (ambient daytime temps in the 80 - 90 degree range). > Once the needle reaches this "hot" location, it never seems to come back > down at all, regardless of whether I'm at speed or stopped. To me, this is > not normal. > > > What I've done so far: flushed the cooling system, filled with about 35% > anit-freeze, remainder with distilled water; added a few ounces of Water > Wetter; new temp sensor, new thermostat (180 degree), timing checked and > spot on. So far no difference in the way the gauge reacts, indicates the > engine is still running hot so I'm wondering if I might have a gauge going > bad. Anyone have an experience with a faulty water temp gauge? Does it > gradually go bad and give false readings? Thanks. > > > Gary _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Jul 10 00:10:14 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 01:10:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: <57602.98930.qm@web111011.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20100709144107.B9DFD18765E@autox.team.net> <57602.98930.qm@web111011.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100710060939.03F1A18766A@autox.team.net> From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jul 10 05:47:52 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 13:47:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <792380626.1997701278715571410.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <792380626.1997701278715571410.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000701cb2025$bbafcad0$330f6070$@com> An infrared gauge is like a camera, it sees heat instead of visible light (different wave length) Some people think with a laser pointer on this gauge you measure the point of the laser b WRONG! The laser shows only the direction you look at with the gauge but depending if you have a wide lense or narrow lense view in your gauge you measureing about an bigger area. So if you want to measure SPOTS on a tire then hold the gauge directly on the surface without any distance, then you do a spot measuring. Cheers Chris Von: toodamnfunky at comcast.net [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net] Gesendet: Samstag, 10. Juli 2010 00:46 An: robert bownes Cc: Friends of Triumph; MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? I wouldn't use an infrared gauge on tires if you are trying to get three points on the tire. You really need a probe. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert bownes" To: "MadMarx" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, July 9, 2010 3:38:14 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? How are they on tires? On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:31 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Infrared gauges are precise on colored surfaces like a black coated > radiator > or rubber hoses. > If you try to measure polished metal surfaces you will get much lower > readings which has something to do with radiation on metal surfaces. > > If you would like to measure the thermostat housing put a strap tape on the > housing, wait a few seconds for the tape to adjust temperature and then > measure the tape and you'll get the correct temperature. > > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Randall > Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:22 > An: 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > > > Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor > > on sale at 29.95. it has a slug of uses including > > verifying temp gauge accuracy. > > But be careful what you try to shoot with it. I have one, and while it > works well enough on the radiator tanks, it gives readings that are all > over > the place from the thermostat housing or radiator core. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jul 10 05:57:14 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 13:57:14 +0200 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: References: <39ce0.62baab05.396894a8@cs.com> Message-ID: <000c01cb2027$0bc19340$2344b9c0$@com> There are similar rods for the TR6 from Opel F3 cars. They are titanium made and have narrow big ends. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von robert bownes Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 17:28 An: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods Now if only we could find something similar for the 6 cylinder... On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:05 AM, wrote: > We have had them in our engine for about three years. > > I am looking for the spec sheet on them.......somewhere on my computer. > > They require grinding the crank to another dimension so you can use Chevy > Bearings (cheap & good) (Clevite 777?) > > They also need to be rebushed with good bronze bushings. > > Spacers need to be produced to center the rod in the piston. > > I adjusted the pressure on the oil pressure regulator up slightly to get it > back to the same reading, as it is narrower at the low end. > > I'd have to say that I am pleased with Uncle Jack's research leading to > this change. > > There are some one time costs, but that should settle out to bearing > replacement. > > I think the Clevite bearings about $25 for a set of eight. > > Joe A > > > > > Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application > > of > > the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor > > engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they > > sounded > > like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input > > ??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jul 10 06:02:18 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:02:18 +0200 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000d01cb2027$bf879be0$3e96d3a0$@com> As far I run these rods I have up to 95 PSI pressure and if the engine gets very during a hot weather race like in Assen the last weekend the pressure drops down to 80PSI. Idle pressure is 50PSI and after a hot weather race 35PSI. Main points about the rod are: They are cheap 8 rods for 500$ They are long They are 40gr lighter than Carillos Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Enquiries Road & Track Gesendet: Samstag, 10. Juli 2010 00:58 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods the though of narrower rods at the big end region worries me. I run an engine shop, and know from bitter experience, that excessive side clearance at the big end, is a major source of engine rattles and loss of oil pressure. most rods have a limit of about 0.005"-0.008" and in our race engines, we run them down as low as we can get. there are plenty of custom made rods for TR engines, so why would one bother with an concept that has an intrinsic design flaw? Terry O'Beirne _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Jul 10 07:36:08 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:36:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: <000d01cb2027$bf879be0$3e96d3a0$@com> References: <000d01cb2027$bf879be0$3e96d3a0$@com> Message-ID: <4C387748.70005@pobox.com> Yes, the main reason is cost, but secondary reasons are weight and rod length. What is the current cost of a billet crank and Carillos - $3500? The total cost for rods and crank (welding, grinding and nitriding) for my engine was about $700. uncle jack worked out a cheap kit for the conversion, but I think he decided there was not sufficient interest. He had the price down under $500. Low oil pressure was initially a concern, but there is now plenty of evidence to discount this worry. There are two ways to center the rod - using spacers on the wrist pin or by modifying the crank. I chose to modify the crank by welding a bead on the edges of the crankpin. Both methods work. The spacer method is simpler. If you are considering a billet crank and Carillos, why not have the crank made for a different rod? Moldex told me there would be no additional cost. Larry Young > the though of narrower rods at the big end region worries me. > > I run an engine shop, and know from bitter experience, that excessive side > clearance at the big end, is a major source of engine rattles and loss of > oil pressure. most rods have a limit of about 0.005"-0.008" and in our race > engines, we run them down as low as we can get. > > there are plenty of custom made rods for TR engines, so why would one bother > with an concept that has an intrinsic design flaw? > > Terry O'Beirne From gaf3 at charter.net Sat Jul 10 08:29:12 2010 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:29:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4C3883B8.7030501@charter.net> Gary If you don't want to spend the $ on an infrared temp device, Lisle (and many others) makes a drop in thermometer that goes in the radiator neck. I have been using these for years without incident. At least you will be able to measure the true coolant temp and see when the thermostat opens. Of course start with a cold engine. You can't measure on the run but you can't with the infrared either.The infrared will only provide surface temps. If you have a fluke with or similar VOM with a receptacle for a thermocouple, you can insert the thermocouple under the upper radiator hose (or any other place you desire) into the coolant. Run the thermocouple wire into the passenger compartment and you can monitor your coolant temp at any speed or condition. We use to run hundred of these during vehicle development tests. I agree with the other posts that it's likely a voltage stabilizer or bad sending unit, but you never know definitively until you test. Good Luck Glenn Franco vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote: > Hello All: > > > Need some opinions on what I think might be a problem with my 1969 TR6 water temp gauge is an electrical unit. Scenario: recently, I've noticed the car running a bit hot, ie, the needle within an 1/8" of the red zone on the gauge. I recall at normal operating temp, the needle should be closer to half way (ambient daytime temps in the 80 - 90 degree range). Once the needle reaches this "hot" location, it never seems to come back down at all, regardless of whether I'm at speed or stopped. To me, this is not normal. > > > What I've done so far: flushed the cooling system, filled with about 35% anit-freeze, remainder with distilled water; added a few ounces of Water Wetter; new temp sensor, new thermostat (180 degree), timing checked and spot on. So far no difference in the way the gauge reacts, indicates the engine is still running hot so I'm wondering if I might have a gauge going bad. Anyone have an experience with a faulty water temp gauge? Does it gradually go bad and give false readings? Thanks. > > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jul 10 08:30:08 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:30:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam In-Reply-To: <4C387748.70005@pobox.com> References: <000d01cb2027$bf879be0$3e96d3a0$@com> <4C387748.70005@pobox.com> Message-ID: <8CCEE53883189EA-34D0-10AA6@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> We expect to continue to run the Chevy Rods. It just seems to work well. But combine this with the Larry Young cam and it is even better. The engine comes on strong earlier in the revs and we shift 5500-6000 RPM Seems like a brilliant combination with OEM crank. It is the best performance we have seen with this TR4 without dipping into my 401k. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:36 am Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods Yes, the main reason is cost, but secondary reasons are weight and rod ength. What is the current cost of a billet crank and Carillos - 3500? The total cost for rods and crank (welding, grinding and itriding) for my engine was about $700. uncle jack worked out a cheap it for the conversion, but I think he decided there was not sufficient nterest. He had the price down under $500. Low oil pressure was initially a concern, but there is now plenty of vidence to discount this worry. There are two ways to center the rod - using spacers on the wrist pin or y modifying the crank. I chose to modify the crank by welding a bead n the edges of the crankpin. Both methods work. The spacer method is impler. If you are considering a billet crank and Carillos, why not have the rank made for a different rod? Moldex told me there would be no dditional cost. arry Young the though of narrower rods at the big end region worries me. I run an engine shop, and know from bitter experience, that excessive side clearance at the big end, is a major source of engine rattles and loss of oil pressure. most rods have a limit of about 0.005"-0.008" and in our race engines, we run them down as low as we can get. there are plenty of custom made rods for TR engines, so why would one bother with an concept that has an intrinsic design flaw? Terry O'Beirne ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sat Jul 10 08:42:25 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:42:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam In-Reply-To: <8CCEE53883189EA-34D0-10AA6@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <000d01cb2027$bf879be0$3e96d3a0$@com> <4C387748.70005@pobox.com> <8CCEE53883189EA-34D0-10AA6@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <002201cb203e$1d7acf40$58706dc0$@rr.com> Same combination works for me. I am using Eagle SIR rods and custom Wiseco pistons. The rods are the stock length, next time I might try a shorter skirt longer rod combination. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 9:30 AM To: cartravel at pobox.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam We expect to continue to run the Chevy Rods. It just seems to work well. But combine this with the Larry Young cam and it is even better. The engine comes on strong earlier in the revs and we shift 5500-6000 RPM Seems like a brilliant combination with OEM crank. It is the best performance we have seen with this TR4 without dipping into my 401k. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:36 am Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods Yes, the main reason is cost, but secondary reasons are weight and rod ength. What is the current cost of a billet crank and Carillos - 3500? The total cost for rods and crank (welding, grinding and itriding) for my engine was about $700. uncle jack worked out a cheap it for the conversion, but I think he decided there was not sufficient nterest. He had the price down under $500. Low oil pressure was initially a concern, but there is now plenty of vidence to discount this worry. There are two ways to center the rod - using spacers on the wrist pin or y modifying the crank. I chose to modify the crank by welding a bead n the edges of the crankpin. Both methods work. The spacer method is impler. If you are considering a billet crank and Carillos, why not have the rank made for a different rod? Moldex told me there would be no dditional cost. arry Young the though of narrower rods at the big end region worries me. I run an engine shop, and know from bitter experience, that excessive side clearance at the big end, is a major source of engine rattles and loss of oil pressure. most rods have a limit of about 0.005"-0.008" and in our race engines, we run them down as low as we can get. there are plenty of custom made rods for TR engines, so why would one bother with an concept that has an intrinsic design flaw? Terry O'Beirne ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat Jul 10 09:40:49 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:40:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <4C3883B8.7030501@charter.net> References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <4C3883B8.7030501@charter.net> Message-ID: <0ECF7B2E-150D-4A75-B017-F4F33E0780E7@earthlink.net> I run a mechanical SW water temp gauge that works great. No electricity required. ~Steve From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jul 10 09:44:16 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:44:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><4C3883B8.7030501@charter.net> <0ECF7B2E-150D-4A75-B017-F4F33E0780E7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <27A91B27B498471A99B0CFF542502D0B@Bud> definetely go mechanical.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? >I run a mechanical SW water temp gauge that works great. No electricity >required. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sat Jul 10 11:48:10 2010 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:48:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam In-Reply-To: <002201cb203e$1d7acf40$58706dc0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <502856193.50494.1278784090069.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Wow...the vintage rules must be more liberal than ever if they are now allowing alternate length rods. SCCA hasB limited prep which require stock rods and cranks, stock suspension pickup points, etc...etc...but we still get cool glass flared fenders and slicks. Hasn't rule always been that the alternate rods must be of the same centre to centre dimensions? aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: n197tr4 at cs.com, cartravel at pobox.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 10:42:25 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods B and Larry Young Cam Same combination works for me. B I am using Eagle SIR rods and custom Wiseco pistons. B The rods are the stock length, next time I might try a shorter skirt longer rod combination. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 9:30 AM To: cartravel at pobox.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam We expect to continue to run the Chevy Rods. It just seems to work well. But combine this with the Larry Young cam and it is even better. The engine comes on strong earlier in the revs and we shift 5500-6000 RPM Seems like a brilliant combination with OEM crank. It is the best performance we have seen with this TR4 without dipping into my 401k. Joe A From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sat Jul 10 11:48:10 2010 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:48:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam In-Reply-To: <002201cb203e$1d7acf40$58706dc0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <502856193.50494.1278784090069.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Wow...the vintage rules must be more liberal than ever if they are now allowing alternate length rods. SCCA hasB limited prep which require stock rods and cranks, stock suspension pickup points, etc...etc...but we still get cool glass flared fenders and slicks. Hasn't rule always been that the alternate rods must be of the same centre to centre dimensions? aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: n197tr4 at cs.com, cartravel at pobox.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 10:42:25 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods B and Larry Young Cam Same combination works for me. B I am using Eagle SIR rods and custom Wiseco pistons. B The rods are the stock length, next time I might try a shorter skirt longer rod combination. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 9:30 AM To: cartravel at pobox.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam We expect to continue to run the Chevy Rods. It just seems to work well. But combine this with the Larry Young cam and it is even better. The engine comes on strong earlier in the revs and we shift 5500-6000 RPM Seems like a brilliant combination with OEM crank. It is the best performance we have seen with this TR4 without dipping into my 401k. Joe A From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Jul 10 13:46:37 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:46:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam References: <502856193.50494.1278784090069.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <5D0AD7C4E4424C20BDBE9D96AADEF03A@latitudefb1e41> You are correct, but this is one of the more common "variations" that people do. When you have Spridgets that spin 8 or 9 grand it is more than just more durable Carillos. One guy told me something about using Honda rods in a Sunbeam that were bullet proof, half the weight and added stroke, all in the name of durability. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam > Wow...the vintage rules must be more liberal than ever if they are now > allowing alternate length rods. > > > > SCCA hasB limited prep which require stock rods and cranks, stock > suspension > pickup points, etc...etc...but we still get cool glass flared fenders and > slicks. > > > > Hasn't rule always been that the alternate rods must be of the same centre > to > centre dimensions? > > > > aaron > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg & Alison Blake" > To: n197tr4 at cs.com, cartravel at pobox.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 10:42:25 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods B and Larry Young Cam > > Same combination works for me. B I am using Eagle SIR rods and custom > Wiseco > pistons. B The rods are the stock length, next time I might try a shorter > skirt longer rod combination. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com > Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 9:30 AM > To: cartravel at pobox.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam > > We expect to continue to run the Chevy Rods. It just seems to work well. > > But combine this with the Larry Young cam and it is even better. > > The engine comes on strong earlier in the revs and we shift 5500-6000 RPM > > Seems like a brilliant combination with OEM crank. > > It is the best performance we have seen with this TR4 without dipping into > my > 401k. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From mark at bradakis.com Sat Jul 10 14:01:31 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:01:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam In-Reply-To: <5D0AD7C4E4424C20BDBE9D96AADEF03A@latitudefb1e41> References: <502856193.50494.1278784090069.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <5D0AD7C4E4424C20BDBE9D96AADEF03A@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <4C38D19B.6070903@bradakis.com> > One guy told me something about using Honda rods in a Sunbeam that were > bullet proof, half the weight and added stroke, all in the name of durability. Added stroke in what sense? Alternate TR6 rods would also work for large journal Spit 1300 and 1500. mjb. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Jul 10 14:29:19 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 15:29:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam References: <502856193.50494.1278784090069.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><5D0AD7C4E4424C20BDBE9D96AADEF03A@latitudefb1e41> <4C38D19B.6070903@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <68D6B11928D04BF78C1ED69132EB1056@latitudefb1e41> Maybe I mispoke. They were longer requiring hockey puck pistons. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam > > One guy told me something about using Honda rods in a Sunbeam that were > > bullet proof, half the weight and added stroke, all in the name of > durability. > > Added stroke in what sense? > > Alternate TR6 rods would also work for large journal Spit 1300 and 1500. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From bownes at seiri.com Sat Jul 10 15:51:25 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:51:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam In-Reply-To: <4C38D19B.6070903@bradakis.com> References: <502856193.50494.1278784090069.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <5D0AD7C4E4424C20BDBE9D96AADEF03A@latitudefb1e41> <4C38D19B.6070903@bradakis.com> Message-ID: A bit of googling last night turned up some Dodge 6 cylinder (215/245 iirc)rods that are the right length (5.750") and BE size for the 6/1500 engines. No real other savings as they were about the same weight, but more searching might turn up an alternative to that in alloy. On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > > One guy told me something about using Honda rods in a Sunbeam that were > > bullet proof, half the weight and added stroke, all in the name of > durability. > > Added stroke in what sense? > > Alternate TR6 rods would also work for large journal Spit 1300 and 1500. > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jul 10 18:41:28 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:41:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: YouTube - Top Gear S15E01 Part 4 More Gre3at Brit stuff! Message-ID: <699842B288864643A9F20C79037E2C82@Bud> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8WA7WtzMT4&feature=related From malaboge at aol.com Sat Jul 10 19:50:49 2010 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 21:50:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam In-Reply-To: <502856193.50494.1278784090069.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CCEEB29F0AEB4D-2320-C30D@Webmail-d105.sysops.aol.com> wow... Finally I see a glimmer of reality...THIS IS VINTAGE RACING...like how it was back in the day. Not all cars were created equal, and the owners had to deal with myriad different strengths and weaknesses of their favorite mount. That is supposed to be what we are doing today...preserving that moment in tyme, not building a Formula One car with a vintage body! I've seen people posting pictures of their rebuilds wherein all sorts of things are evident that were never allowed "back in the day". If I had the proverbial nickel for everytime I've heard "thats how the did it back then" to substantiate some modern update that was never allowed, I'd be rich. Does anybody recall Anatoly being disqualified for .002 or .003 oversize valves in his Morgan, "back in the day". Now I see oversize valves in everything, 92 mm TR's, 2 liter B's, fat wheels and big carbs on everything. THATS NOT HOW IT WAS! You wanna race, go get a Miata or FF or whatever and GO RACING. This is supposed to be about the cars and how they were, not how can I update my car to be faster than the car ever was "back in the day". OK, I'm gonna go take a chill pill an get off the soapbox now... re-buildin olde race cars one at a tyme... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:48 am Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam Wow...the vintage rules must be more liberal than ever if they are now llowing alternate length rods. SCCA hasB limited prep which require stock rods and cranks, stock suspension ickup points, etc...etc...but we still get cool glass flared fenders and licks. Hasn't rule always been that the alternate rods must be of the same centre to entre dimensions? aaron From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 11 02:46:25 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 10:46:25 +0200 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam In-Reply-To: <8CCEEB29F0AEB4D-2320-C30D@Webmail-d105.sysops.aol.com> References: <502856193.50494.1278784090069.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <8CCEEB29F0AEB4D-2320-C30D@Webmail-d105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000301cb20d5$8cf8a760$a6e9f620$@com> What you are describing remembers me to people who are getting dressed in old uniforms and "playing" war like it was at the old days. You have them in USA and we have them in Europe. But the vintage racers are not playing racing they DO risk their lives in those cars. At the times Kas run the works team he had plenty of cranks, heads, rods, axles, bodys and stuff. If a crank got broke - don't bother, a call to England a they shipped some new engines overseas. Today a racer might have one or maybe two engines and if things go wrong in most cases this is end of the season. As we are not earning our money with vintage racing why not replacing dangerous or easy breaking pars of the car with billet cranks and rods, forged pistons, special valves, better designed axles as this keeps the cost low over the years and reducing the risk to get hurt. Okay, the cars are faster then they were back in time but this is how the world goes, better oil, better brake fluid, better brake pads, better tires, and more fun for the spectators and drivers if the car are faster, as most of the tracks are smoothed out to a better safety. I have no complaints about that as long it is kept in rules people due to. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von malaboge at aol.com Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Juli 2010 03:51 An: fpspitfire at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net; vintage-race at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam wow... Finally I see a glimmer of reality...THIS IS VINTAGE RACING...like how it was back in the day. Not all cars were created equal, and the owners had to deal with myriad different strengths and weaknesses of their favorite mount. That is supposed to be what we are doing today...preserving that moment in tyme, not building a Formula One car with a vintage body! I've seen people posting pictures of their rebuilds wherein all sorts of things are evident that were never allowed "back in the day". If I had the proverbial nickel for everytime I've heard "thats how the did it back then" to substantiate some modern update that was never allowed, I'd be rich. Does anybody recall Anatoly being disqualified for .002 or .003 oversize valves in his Morgan, "back in the day". Now I see oversize valves in everything, 92 mm TR's, 2 liter B's, fat wheels and big carbs on everything. THATS NOT HOW IT WAS! You wanna race, go get a Miata or FF or whatever and GO RACING. This is supposed to be about the cars and how they were, not how can I update my car to be faster than the car ever was "back in the day". OK, I'm gonna go take a chill pill an get off the soapbox now... re-buildin olde race cars one at a tyme... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:48 am Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam Wow...the vintage rules must be more liberal than ever if they are now llowing alternate length rods. SCCA hasB limited prep which require stock rods and cranks, stock suspension ickup points, etc...etc...but we still get cool glass flared fenders and licks. Hasn't rule always been that the alternate rods must be of the same centre to entre dimensions? aaron _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jul 11 11:57:31 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 13:57:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR at Heartland Park Message-ID: <8CCEF39AAE7B05B-34D0-1A8FA@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> FOT, I am pleased to announce that the President of VTR, Blake Discher, will be attending and supporting the Kastner Cup activities at the HEARTLAND VINTAGE GRAND PRIX. He will circle the VTR Regional wagons and this will result in additional Triumph owner attendance flowing through the gate. There may be a VTR Hospitality Tent in our midst in the Paddock. A poster is under discussion and likely will be available for Kas to sign....as well as the owner of the featured car on the poster. Blake and VTR were strong supporters when we were at the Glen, if you remember. I was very pleased to hear from him today. (If you are not already a VTR Member, this is something to consider) Just a reminder, Ramada Inn has killer rates for this event. Joe A From goodparts at verizon.net Mon Jul 12 05:29:26 2010 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 07:29:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] u-joint alignment? In-Reply-To: <034DEBD8-2B4B-4823-AED6-73959F0F15A0@comcast.net> References: <034DEBD8-2B4B-4823-AED6-73959F0F15A0@comcast.net> Message-ID: Scott, The yokes on each end should be aligned so that if you stuck a shaft through each yoke, they would be parallel. The alignment is critical so the velocity oscillations cancel out. The greater the operating angle, the greater the oscillations to be cancelled. Also, the axis of the driving and driven shafts must be parallel for full cancellation. In the case of our axle shafts, this only happens with zero toe and zero camber so most of the time we have some nasty efficiency loss from the axles trying to accelerate and decelerate the wheel twice each revolution. Given all that, I am not sure you would notice any difference with the half shaft yokes being off 5-10 degrees but it would certainly be better if they were aligned properly. If it was on the driveshaft I would guess you would notice some vibration. Richard Good Good Parts -------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott Janzen" Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:26 PM To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Subject: [Fot] u-joint alignment? > On drive shafts and half shafts, should the axis of the u-joints be > aligned to the one on the other end, perpendicular, or something in > between, or does it matter? On the half-shafts on my GT6, I don't > think I can get perfect alignment given how the spines are machined - > looks to be 5-10 degrees off. > _______________________________________________ From billb at bnj.com Mon Jul 12 13:35:55 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:35:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: <927947.55742.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <927947.55742.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <74B69422-E271-4203-91C0-EFC983EE8166@bnj.com> Most old designs have rod bearings that are too wide. Any plain bearing width and diameter is a compromise. Excessive width and excess diameter not only increase friction, they can actually wear faster > > the though of narrower rods at the big end region worries me. > > I run an engine shop, and know from bitter experience, that excessive side > clearance at the big end, is a major source of engine rattles and loss of > oil pressure. most rods have a limit of about 0.005"-0.008" and in our race > engines, we run them down as low as we can get. > > there are plenty of custom made rods for TR engines, so why would one bother > with an concept that has an intrinsic design flaw? > > Terry O'Beirne From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Jul 12 17:01:48 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:01:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters Message-ID: <000c01cb2216$381d2490$a8576db0$@rr.com> I am running a Mallory points dist. and need recommendations on a rev limiter. I am looking at the Petronix digital rev limiter, but I know nothing about the other options or pros and cons. Thanks in advance. Greg From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jul 12 17:54:14 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:54:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters In-Reply-To: <000c01cb2216$381d2490$a8576db0$@rr.com> References: <000c01cb2216$381d2490$a8576db0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <3FCDA481340242CE8BF3D06EDA6A4532@joepentiumnew> I like the MSD that has a soft Rev Limiter. If your sanctioning body allows the MSD ignition system, it might be your best bet. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 4:02 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters I am running a Mallory points dist. and need recommendations on a rev limiter. I am looking at the Petronix digital rev limiter, but I know nothing about the other options or pros and cons. Thanks in advance. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From robertten1 at aol.com Mon Jul 12 18:23:08 2010 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 20:23:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters In-Reply-To: <000c01cb2216$381d2490$a8576db0$@rr.com> References: <000c01cb2216$381d2490$a8576db0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CCF038B2F40B6B-C98-50F1@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> Greg, I currently use the MSD Soft-touch Rev Limiter with my Mallory, works fine. My $.02, Bob T. -----Original Message----- From: Greg & Alison Blake To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:01 pm Subject: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters I am running a Mallory points dist. and need recommendations on a rev limiter. I am looking at the Petronix digital rev limiter, but I know nothing about the other options or pros and cons. Thanks in advance. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 13 01:05:02 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 09:05:02 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters In-Reply-To: <000c01cb2216$381d2490$a8576db0$@rr.com> References: <000c01cb2216$381d2490$a8576db0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000301cb2259$bd412cf0$37c386d0$@com> I run an Omex rev limiter which can be switched to hard or soft cut. I use hard cut. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Greg & Alison Blake Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Juli 2010 01:02 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters I am running a Mallory points dist. and need recommendations on a rev limiter. I am looking at the Petronix digital rev limiter, but I know nothing about the other options or pros and cons. Thanks in advance. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 13 08:35:23 2010 From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (William Collins) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 09:35:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. Message-ID: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went with a solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to lower compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and I'm looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest of the year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends Hylomar. Suggestions? Bill Collins Euless, TX '72 spit /1296 sj From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jul 13 08:58:31 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:58:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 max oil capacity Message-ID: <1287600888.2866971279033111856.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> RMVR will be racing at Pikes Peak International this weekend up on the banked oval and eventually the infield. I have an accusump and an oil pan baffle and B I was wondering if there is any merit in slightly overfilling the crankcase to avoid oil starvation through nascar T-1 & T-2. Thanks, Jim G. From chasgee at aol.com Tue Jul 13 09:05:19 2010 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 11:05:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters In-Reply-To: <8CCF038B2F40B6B-C98-50F1@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> References: <000c01cb2216$381d2490$a8576db0$@rr.com> <8CCF038B2F40B6B-C98-50F1@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CCF0B3F1A325D6-1354-E2AF@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> I use the one between my ears. Sometimes it doesn't work... -----Original Message----- From: robertten1 at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:23 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters Greg, I currently use the MSD Soft-touch Rev Limiter with my Mallory, works fine. My $.02, ob T. ----Original Message----- rom: Greg & Alison Blake o: fot at autox.team.net ent: Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:01 pm ubject: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters am running a Mallory points dist. and need recommendations on a rev limiter. I am looking at the Petronix digital rev limiter, but I know nothing about the other options or pros and cons. Thanks in advance. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Jul 13 09:08:25 2010 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 10:08:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> References: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FC6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I've had trouble getting my copper head gaskets to seal on my Spitfire motors unless the head and block surfaces are very, very smooth (and clean). Once the surfaces were smooth, I had reasonable luck getting them to seal using spray-on Copper Coat, spraying it on both sides, hanging it to dry until it was tacky. Ultimately, I have gone back to the composite gaskets - the Payen gasket with the rubbery surfaces. They work every time. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Collins Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 9:35 AM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went with a solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to lower compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and I'm looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest of the year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends Hylomar. Suggestions? Bill Collins Euless, TX '72 spit /1296 sj _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Tue Jul 13 09:12:42 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 10:12:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> References: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> Message-ID: Been there done that on my tr6. All my head gasket issues went away when I started using Payen gaskets. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2010, at 9:35 AM, "William Collins" wrote: > I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went with a > solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to lower > compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and I'm > looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest of the > year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends Hylomar. > Suggestions? > Bill Collins > Euless, TX > '72 spit /1296 sj > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jul 13 09:42:47 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:42:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FC6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FC6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: I echo what Scott says. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:08 AM To: William Collins; 'Friends of Triumph'Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. I've had trouble getting my copper head gaskets to seal on my Spitfire motors unless the head and block surfaces are very, very smooth (and clean). Once the surfaces were smooth, I had reasonable luck getting them to seal using spray-on Copper Coat, spraying it on both sides, hanging it to dry until it was tacky. Ultimately, I have gone back to the composite gaskets - the Payen gasket with the rubbery surfaces. They work every time. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Collins Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 9:35 AM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went with a solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to lower compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and I'm looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest of the year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends Hylomar. Suggestions? Bill Collins Euless, TX '72 spit /1296 sj _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tedtsimx at bright.net Tue Jul 13 09:43:24 2010 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 11:43:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: References: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> Message-ID: <4C3C899C.6070808@bright.net> That's why we use Payen on all our engine builds. Ted Mike Munson wrote: > Been there done that on my tr6. > All my head gasket issues went away when I started using Payen gaskets. > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 13, 2010, at 9:35 AM, "William Collins" wrote: > > >> I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went with >> > a > >> solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to lower >> compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and I'm >> looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest of >> > the > >> year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends >> > Hylomar. > >> Suggestions? >> Bill Collins >> Euless, TX >> '72 spit /1296 sj >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tedtsimx at bright.net > > > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From billb at bnj.com Tue Jul 13 09:52:56 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:52:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 max oil capacity In-Reply-To: <1287600888.2866971279033111856.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1287600888.2866971279033111856.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Highly unlikely as long as you accusump is working. If it has an electric actuation valve it might refill slowly after the oil pump loses and then regains suction, but more oil slung up against the side of the pan isn't going to help that. On Jul 13, 2010, at 7:58 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > RMVR will be racing at Pikes Peak International this weekend up on the banked > oval > > and eventually the infield. > > I have an accusump and an oil pan baffle and B I was wondering if there is any > > merit in slightly overfilling the crankcase to avoid oil starvation through > nascar T-1 & T-2. > > Thanks, > > Jim G. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From billb at bnj.com Tue Jul 13 09:57:31 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:57:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FC6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FC6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8FE69E45-8A25-4E6D-B94A-F4933B5E5C63@bnj.com> Yamabond #4. Most folks recommend the Copper Coat, but I believe Yamabond works better for keeping oil and water in their places. Also, you need to be sure the cylinders stand properly proud and both the head and block are flat. Gaskets can't compensate for that and still seal in combustion gases. Remember that the copper gasket is not really compressible. The surface is soft so little irregularities and defects can push up into the copper, but if the prep isn't right they won't work much better than the shim steel gaskets. On Jul 13, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Barr, Scott wrote: > I've had trouble getting my copper head gaskets to seal on my Spitfire > motors unless the head and block surfaces are very, very smooth (and > clean). Once the surfaces were smooth, I had reasonable luck getting > them to seal using spray-on Copper Coat, spraying it on both sides, > hanging it to dry until it was tacky. > > Ultimately, I have gone back to the composite gaskets - the Payen gasket > with the rubbery surfaces. They work every time. > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of William Collins > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 9:35 AM > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. > > I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went > with a > solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to > lower > compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and > I'm > looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest > of the > year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends > Hylomar. > Suggestions? > Bill Collins > Euless, TX > '72 spit /1296 sj > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Jul 13 11:53:11 2010 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 13:53:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: <4C3C899C.6070808@bright.net> References: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> <4C3C899C.6070808@bright.net> Message-ID: <8CCF0CB6514803F-1324-137D@webmail-m074.sysops.aol.com> OK yeah another vote for Payen. The only way I have ever been able to get a reliable seal on the 1300 with copper gasket is with o-rings. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Ted Schumacher To: Mike Munson Cc: William Collins ; 'Friends of Triumph'Triumph Sent: Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:43 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. That's why we use Payen on all our engine builds. Ted Mike Munson wrote: > Been there done that on my tr6. > All my head gasket issues went away when I started using Payen gaskets. > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 13, 2010, at 9:35 AM, "William Collins" wrote: > > >> I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went with >> > a > >> solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to lower >> compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and I'm >> looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest of >> > the > >> year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends >> > Hylomar. > >> Suggestions? >> Bill Collins >> Euless, TX >> '72 spit /1296 sj >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tedtsimx at bright.net > > > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From s.janzen at comcast.net Tue Jul 13 13:01:15 2010 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:01:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Beaverun - Pittsburgh this weekend Message-ID: <05AAD258-4958-43A8-9EAF-55B8C3054172@comcast.net> I'll be there with the GT6. Will there be any other Triumphs racing? Scott Janzen 1968 GT6 From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 13 14:26:39 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:26:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Message-ID: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A From rikrock at live.com Tue Jul 13 14:59:08 2010 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:59:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Beaverun - Pittsburgh this weekend In-Reply-To: <05AAD258-4958-43A8-9EAF-55B8C3054172@comcast.net> References: <05AAD258-4958-43A8-9EAF-55B8C3054172@comcast.net> Message-ID: Dave Miller will be there with his TR4. Rich Rock _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jul 13 15:21:00 2010 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:21:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mosport, because it is close to me and a well liked track. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: July 13, 2010 4:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Jul 13 15:24:18 2010 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:24:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FC7E@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Road America Autobahn Gingerman Mid-Ohio -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From andre at gt6.ca Tue Jul 13 15:45:45 2010 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:45:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 2nd that vote ;) A. On 13 July 2010 17:21, macdonaldp wrote: > Mosport, because it is close to me and a well liked track. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com > Sent: July 13, 2010 4:27 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION > MAKING > > FOT > > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > CUP. > > Register your preference immediately. > > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jul 13 16:14:32 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:14:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com><703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <364104017F3A4F5A96D2CE0E6A60F2F9@Bud> Laguna Seca..or.Infineon RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "macdonaldp" Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > 2nd that vote ;) > > A. > > On 13 July 2010 17:21, macdonaldp wrote: >> Mosport, because it is close to me and a well liked track. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com >> Sent: July 13, 2010 4:27 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR >> DECISION >> MAKING >> >> FOT >> >> We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER >> CUP. >> >> Register your preference immediately. >> >> No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. >> >> Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. >> >> Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. >> >> We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? >> >> Joe A >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca >> >> >> > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From adams910 at gmail.com Tue Jul 13 16:15:52 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 18:15:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Something on the east coast in the Mid Atlantic area (VIR, Summit, NJMP). There are a lot of Triumph racers in the Northeast, Mid Atlantic, and South East. Don't make it too early in the year too. From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Jul 13 16:31:42 2010 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 18:31:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601cb22db$2ba02990$82e07cb0$@rr.com> Mosport is my favorite event with VARAC at my favorite track even though I live 30 minutes from Watkins Glen. Tons of seat time with way more than 5 lap feature events. Free camping; no motorhome parking fees, track is open well in advance of event for those arriving early and no problem staying on site until Monday to leave. Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:46 PM To: macdonaldp Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING 2nd that vote ;) A. On 13 July 2010 17:21, macdonaldp wrote: > Mosport, because it is close to me and a well liked track. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com > Sent: July 13, 2010 4:27 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION > MAKING > > FOT > > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > CUP. > > Register your preference immediately. > > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Jul 13 16:37:25 2010 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 18:37:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4C3CEAA5.6030001@cfl.rr.com> Roebling Road, Savannah, GA Road Atlanta GA Sebring FL Bob Davis On 7/13/2010 4:26 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT > > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > CUP. > > Register your preference immediately. > > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue Jul 13 18:06:12 2010 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:06:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <4C3CEAA5.6030001@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: Mid-America Motorplex, south of Omaha. It's middle of the country, giving you the same advantages geographically that Hallett provided and you'll get at HPT this year. Okay, so maybe the event should move around a bit, go east in 2011, west in 2012, but come back to the middle and try MAM. It's tabletop flat, which means you can see THE WHOLE TRACK from the stands at the south end. It's not too fast, which seems to favor LBCs. I run out of 4th gear right at the end of whichever of the two long straights has the tailwind. 14 turns in 2.23 miles and no turn stands alone -- every turn is in combination with at least one other. What's chance for a June date? I won't drive at HPT this year because it's too close to the Solo Nationals (I do both, race and solo) and I'm not taking the chance of breaking anything that close to my major event of the year. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > Roebling Road, Savannah, GA > Road Atlanta GA > Sebring FL > > Bob Davis > > On 7/13/2010 4:26 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >> FOT >> >> We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER >> CUP. >> >> Register your preference immediately. >> >> No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. >> >> Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. >> >> Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. >> >> We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? >> >> Joe A >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From fpspitfire at comcast.net Tue Jul 13 18:45:23 2010 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <590600008.40697.1279068323065.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ----- Original Message ----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 4:26:39 PM Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 13 19:10:29 2010 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 18:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <364104017F3A4F5A96D2CE0E6A60F2F9@Bud> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com><703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <364104017F3A4F5A96D2CE0E6A60F2F9@Bud> Message-ID: <835908.72007.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> and I'll second that! If my truck makes it to California I might just stay there. DD Laguna Seca..or.Infineon RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "macdonaldp" Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > 2nd that vote ;) > > A. > > On 13 July 2010 17:21, macdonaldp wrote: >> Mosport, because it is close to me and a well liked track. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com >> Sent: July 13, 2010 4:27 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR >> DECISION >> MAKING >> >> FOT >> >> We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER >> CUP. >> >> Register your preference immediately. >> >> No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. >> >> Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. >> >> Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. >> >> We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? >> >> Joe A >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca >> >> >> > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Jul 13 19:32:13 2010 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 01:32:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <192867235.44023.1279071133287.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I'll second Laguna or Infineon Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:26:39 PM Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From wredinger at oppd.com Tue Jul 13 19:52:50 2010 From: wredinger at oppd.com (REDINGER, WILLIAM E) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:52:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Pittsburg Vintage Grand Prix. Though it might be hard to get a special group accepted! Bill ________________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com [n197tr4 at cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:26 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wredinger at oppd.com This e-mail contains Omaha Public Power District's confidential and proprietary information and is for use only by the intended recipient. Unless explicitly stated otherwise, this e-mail is not a contract offer, amendment, nor acceptance. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue Jul 13 20:13:48 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 02:13:48 GMT Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Message-ID: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ____________________________________________________________ $13/Month Car Insurance? Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue Jul 13 20:24:30 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 02:24:30 GMT Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Message-ID: <20100713.222430.26485.2@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Summit Point is a great track and I hear it was repaved. Another great mid-atlantic track, or should I say tracks, is New Jersey Motorsports Park. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:26:39 -0400 FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d2021c00e5290121st04duc From billb at bnj.com Tue Jul 13 20:45:47 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:45:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <000601cb22db$2ba02990$82e07cb0$@rr.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <000601cb22db$2ba02990$82e07cb0$@rr.com> Message-ID: I liked Mosport too, though it's a hell of a tow for left coasters. And you need to grow a third testicle before you set a tire on the track. Infineon is one of my favorite west coast tracks. On Jul 13, 2010, at 3:31 PM, Spitfire Racing wrote: > Mosport is my favorite event with VARAC at my favorite track even though I > live 30 minutes from Watkins Glen. Tons of seat time with way more than 5 > lap feature events. Free camping; no motorhome parking fees, track is open > well in advance of event for those arriving early and no problem staying on > site until Monday to leave. > Russ Moore > > ----- From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 13 21:22:46 2010 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:22:46 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness Message-ID: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I have a customers rear end at a rear end shop and they are having a tough time setting up the pinion bearing depth. The owner took it all apart and had it powder coated and tossed out the shims so no starting point for the rear end shop. Any one have any good starting point. Thanks Joe Chequered Flag Racing .net Joseph P. Siam 9833 Deering Ave unit I Chatsworth Ca 91311 818 350 6222 From kaskas at cox.net Tue Jul 13 21:24:09 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:24:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. ---- Joe Boruch wrote: ============= I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ____________________________________________________________ $13/Month Car Insurance? Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Jul 13 21:46:17 2010 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: <8CCF0CB6514803F-1324-137D@webmail-m074.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <552262.49370.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Listers: Actually the first gasket I tried on the engine was a Payen. That is the only thing I buy. The engine has been bored .060" over, and the Payen blew between the adjoining cylinders. We are just looking for some way to get through the season until we can pull the engine and have the block cut for rings. Bill Collins was told that the Yamabond won't work with copper gaskets. On the first try with the copper gasket I glued rings to it and sprayed it with copper and left it until tacky. I know Kawasaki has a similar product to Yamabond that I use to use on the FV engines to seal the crankcase halves. Not sure it will work in this application. We may just go back to the Payen and keep our fingers crossed. -Ed- --- On Tue, 7/13/10, fubog1 at aol.com wrote: From: fubog1 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. To: tedtsimx at bright.net, fasttrs at yahoo.com Cc: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net, fot at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 12:53 PM OK yeah another vote for Payen. The only way I have ever been able to get a reliable seal on the 1300 with copper gasket is with o-rings. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Ted Schumacher To: Mike Munson Cc: William Collins ; 'Friends of Triumph'Triumph Sent: Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:43 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. That's why we use Payen on all our engine builds. Ted Mike Munson wrote: > Been there done that on my tr6. > All my head gasket issues went away when I started using Payen gaskets. > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 13, 2010, at 9:35 AM, "William Collins" wrote: > > >> I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went with >> > a > >> solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to lower >> compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and I'm >> looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest of >> > the > >> year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends >> > Hylomar. > >> Suggestions? >> Bill Collins >> Euless, TX >> '72 spit /1296 sj >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tedtsimx at bright.net > > > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Jul 13 21:56:46 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:56:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com> Joe, I probably don't get a vote since I have not made a cup event yet and I have only been racing since Feb '09. If I did have a vote, it would be for Texas World Speedway. I know of at least 7 other FOT racers that will cast the same vote... Greg in Ausitn -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From billb at bnj.com Tue Jul 13 22:04:43 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:04:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness In-Reply-To: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Try starting with a customer that doesn't have his head up his butt. Really though, there was an exhaustive thread on setting up rear ends in the dim past. I'd search the digest. On Jul 13, 2010, at 8:22 PM, Joseph Siam wrote: > I have a customers rear end at a rear end shop and they are having a tough time setting up the pinion bearing depth. The owner took it all apart and had it powder coated and tossed out the shims so no starting point for the rear end shop. Any one have any good starting point. Thanks Joe > > Chequered Flag Racing .net > Joseph P. Siam > 9833 Deering Ave unit I > Chatsworth Ca 91311 > 818 350 6222 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jul 13 22:26:01 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:26:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> Message-ID: <6FBE567C022D4848BEC8585F32FCDF1D@joepentiumnew> In that Vein, I'll vote for Phoenix. That way I can come and see people I haven't seen in years and meet some I have never seen. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:24 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The cup event It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. ---- Joe Boruch wrote: ============= I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ____________________________________________________________ $13/Month Car Insurance? Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From mdporter at dfn.com Tue Jul 13 22:36:40 2010 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:36:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: <552262.49370.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <552262.49370.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C3D3ED8.1070406@dfn.com> EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Listers: Actually the first gasket I tried on the engine was a Payen. That is > the only thing I buy. The engine has been bored .060" over, and the Payen blew > between the adjoining cylinders. We are just looking for some way to get > through the season until we can pull the engine and have the block cut for > rings. Bill Collins was told that the Yamabond won't work with copper gaskets. > On the first try with the copper gasket I glued rings to it and sprayed it > with copper and left it until tacky. I know Kawasaki has a similar product to > Yamabond that I use to use on the FV engines to seal the crankcase halves. Not > sure it will work in this application. > We may just go back to the Payen and keep our fingers crossed. > Ed, if you're really out of possibilities, one of the things that seemed to work on stock engines with chronic head gasket problems was a silicate-based sealer (I can't remember a trade name, but, the stuff is probably identical, except for concentration, to the liquid head sealants on the market today). It was a clear, thick liquid which tended to develop silica crystals in the bottom of the bottle, and as I recall, came in a small (3-4 oz.) bottle with an off-white label. The only time I ended up using the stuff was at a shop I worked at in the `70s. They demanded it be used on all water-cooled engine rebuilds--claimed it reduced the comeback rate. Some of the old-timers in your area may remember the stuff and might still have some around. Tried sending this directly, but, AT&T routing is still blocking some addresses. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jul 13 23:22:49 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:22:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: <552262.49370.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8CCF0CB6514803F-1324-137D@webmail-m074.sysops.aol.com> <552262.49370.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <99C4F0D4549F4334B87BE32323142FE1@joepentiumnew> (I am resending this message after trimming it since I was notified by the server that it was too long) One thing I learned a lot of years ago with Spitfire engines was that when installing any composite head gasket, I should get everything torqued and adjusted cold then run the engine up to operating temperature, and quickly retorque the head while it is still hot. I found that following that technique, I have never had a blown head gasket and I find that it requires more than a little extra turning to bring the torque back to the correct setting. Just my observation, Joe C, From dave at microworks.net Tue Jul 13 23:39:11 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:39:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> Message-ID: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223AC@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local> Or Joe how about the new track right in your own backward at Inde? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:20 PM To: 'Kas Kastner'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The cup event In that Vein, I'll vote for Phoenix. That way I can come and see people I haven't seen in years and meet some I have never seen. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:24 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The cup event It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. ---- Joe Boruch wrote: ============= I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ____________________________________________________________ $13/Month Car Insurance? Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dave at microworks.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 14 00:04:23 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:04:23 +0200 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000101cb231a$69358c70$3ba0a550$@com> What about Spa 6h race? ;-) Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von n197tr4 at cs.com Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Juli 2010 22:27 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 14 00:23:03 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:23:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223AC@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223AC@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local> Message-ID: <82F701985680401C9DD6D2DC4001DC2E@joepentiumnew> I guess I have been out of the loop too long. Where is that? Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Riddle Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:39 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The cup event Or Joe how about the new track right in your own backward at Inde? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:20 PM To: 'Kas Kastner'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The cup event In that Vein, I'll vote for Phoenix. That way I can come and see people I haven't seen in years and meet some I have never seen. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:24 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The cup event It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. ---- Joe Boruch wrote: ============= I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ____________________________________________________________ $13/Month Car Insurance? Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dave at microworks.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Jul 14 04:11:24 2010 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 06:11:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness In-Reply-To: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4C3D8D4C.9060908@cfl.rr.com> I think it may be stamped on the pinion gear. Bob On 7/13/2010 11:22 PM, Joseph Siam wrote: > I have a customers rear end at a rear end shop and they are having a tough time setting up the pinion bearing depth. The owner took it all apart and had it powder coated and tossed out the shims so no starting point for the rear end shop. Any one have any good starting point. Thanks Joe > > Chequered Flag Racing .net > Joseph P. Siam > 9833 Deering Ave unit I > Chatsworth Ca 91311 > 818 350 6222 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 07:31:40 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:31:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1E23AE71-06C6-4D1D-8132-C856B9D765E4@yahoo.com> Barber Motorsport Park in Birmingham,Alabama. A world class facility. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2010, at 3:26 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT > > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > CUP. > > Register your preference immediately. > > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 07:36:50 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:36:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <590600008.40697.1279068323065.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <590600008.40697.1279068323065.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Same here!, not all Triumph racers are vintage!! Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2010, at 7:45 PM, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote: > I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) > > > > aaron > > #87 HP Spitfire 1500 > > Southern Illinois Region SCCA > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 4:26:39 PM > Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > > FOT > > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > CUP. > > Register your preference immediately. > > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 07:40:58 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:40:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223AC@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223AC@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local> Message-ID: <330FFC6A-F132-4BA7-9162-83AF45BBE865@yahoo.com> What track is that? Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jul 14, 2010, at 12:39 AM, "Dave Riddle" wrote: > Or Joe how about the new track right in your own backward at Inde? > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Joe Curry > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:20 PM > To: 'Kas Kastner'; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] The cup event > > In that Vein, I'll vote for Phoenix. That way I can come and see people > I > haven't seen in years and meet some I have never seen. > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Kas Kastner > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:24 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] The cup event > > It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and > Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next > year > should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. > then > in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or > track > take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time > and > is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on > this. > > As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an > average of > about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see > something a little closer again. > > ---- Joe Boruch wrote: > > ============= > I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: fpspitfire at comcast.net > To: n197tr4 at cs.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR > DECISION > MAKING > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) > > I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the > weekend :) > > > > aaron > > #87 HP Spitfire 1500 > > Southern Illinois Region SCCA > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > $13/Month Car Insurance? > Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > > > > -- > Never be beaten by equipment > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dave at microworks.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Jul 14 07:43:31 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:43:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness References: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4C3D8D4C.9060908@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: Len Renkenberger from the 6-Pack wrote an article many years ago about building TR6 diffs without special tools. He uses ground rod stock and washers to build a measurement tool and came up with the number .730 to .731 pionion depth from the bottom of the bearing saddles. He opines that the machining for the bearing saddles is inconsistent, even a little side to side variation. I've used his method a few times and it works. The pinion hears do have a +number etched on them but the used ones I've seen are sometime illegible. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:11 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness >I think it may be stamped on the pinion gear. > > Bob > > On 7/13/2010 11:22 PM, Joseph Siam wrote: >> I have a customers rear end at a rear end shop and they are having a >> tough time setting up the pinion bearing depth. The owner took it all >> apart and had it powder coated and tossed out the shims so no starting >> point for the rear end shop. Any one have any good starting point. >> Thanks Joe >> >> Chequered Flag Racing .net >> Joseph P. Siam >> 9833 Deering Ave unit I >> Chatsworth Ca 91311 >> 818 350 6222 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 07:55:58 2010 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:55:58 +0000 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> Message-ID: I am new to the group, and to Triumph racing. I want to thank you all for your advice and insight. In terms of venue, and looking out West, if I had a chance to race at Sears Point, it would be a dream come true. Ty Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:24:09 To: Subject: [Fot] The cup event It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. ---- Joe Boruch wrote: ============= I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ____________________________________________________________ $13/Month Car Insurance? Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 07:58:04 2010 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:58:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <601787337-1279115756-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-2008132747-@bda2106.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41><601787337-1279115756-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-2008132747-@bda2106.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: BTW, I meant to say Laguna or Infineon! Ty Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:55:58 To: Kas Kastner; ; Reply-To: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Fot] The cup event I am new to the group, and to Triumph racing. I want to thank you all for your advice and insight. In terms of venue, and looking out West, if I had a chance to race at Sears Point, it would be a dream come true. Ty Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:24:09 To: Subject: [Fot] The cup event It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. ---- Joe Boruch wrote: ============= I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ____________________________________________________________ $13/Month Car Insurance? Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Jul 14 07:58:34 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:58:34 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Message-ID: <530b0.606cca22.396f1c8a@cs.com> FOT list Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in this madness. Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. Infineon & Mosport But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning body have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are other obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted area for the next Kastner Cup. Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the 2012 Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in Competition. As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be addressed because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that one off. You dont think so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an answer. They want to make it a big and memorable event. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE Joe A From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Jul 14 08:40:50 2010 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 07:40:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SPAM-LOW: VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <910FA35028174C2F8561474B270E4B33@Charly> I vote for West Coast. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:26 PM Subject: SPAM-LOW: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > FOT > > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > CUP. > > Register your preference immediately. > > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From billb at bnj.com Wed Jul 14 09:30:10 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:30:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <20100714144131.584C1187656@autox.team.net> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41><601787337-1279115756-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-2008132747-@bda2106.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <20100714144131.584C1187656@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <2BD003B5-FDF5-4C50-BC83-5DAB5E896B27@bnj.com> I almost always call it Sears Point, and Laguna is really Mazda raceway, but who wants to say that. I enjoy Laguna Seca but Sears is a more interesting track. On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote: > BTW, I meant to say Laguna or Infineon! > > Ty > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:55:58 > To: Kas Kastner; ; > Reply-To: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] The cup event > > I am new to the group, and to Triumph racing. I want to thank you all for your advice and insight. > > In terms of venue, and looking out West, if I had a chance to race at Sears Point, it would be a dream come true. > > Ty > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kas Kastner > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:24:09 > To: > Subject: [Fot] The cup event > > It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. > > As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. > > ---- Joe Boruch wrote: > > ============= > I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: fpspitfire at comcast.net > To: n197tr4 at cs.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION > MAKING > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) > > I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the > weekend :) > > > > aaron > > #87 HP Spitfire 1500 > > Southern Illinois Region SCCA > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > $13/Month Car Insurance? > Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > > > > -- > Never be beaten by equipment > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From billb at bnj.com Wed Jul 14 09:33:56 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:33:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 In-Reply-To: <530b0.606cca22.396f1c8a@cs.com> References: <530b0.606cca22.396f1c8a@cs.com> Message-ID: <59627548-5197-4829-A942-4A2CC203D0BF@bnj.com> There are several events at Sears Point--the CSRG charity Challenge would be the most likely one. Another great choice in the Southwest is Thunderhill. Great track, though the location sucks. It's not the middle of nowhere but you can see it from there. Still, the track is marvelous and there's plenty of room to spread out. On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT list > > Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in this > madness. > > Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. > > Infineon & Mosport > > But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning body > have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. > > Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are other > obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. > > Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted area > for the next Kastner Cup. > > Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the 2012 > Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in Competition. > > As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be addressed > because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that one off. You dont think > so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an answer. > They want to make it a big and memorable event. > > THANK YOU VERY MUCH. > > Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on > this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE > > Joe A > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From dave at microworks.net Wed Jul 14 09:41:44 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:41:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <965ECE38E4C5431A9D5EB7042EAB7DCA@EnigmaGroup.local> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223AC@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local> <965ECE38E4C5431A9D5EB7042EAB7DCA@EnigmaGroup.local> Message-ID: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223B0@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local> It's located in Wilcox and is a 2.75 mile track with 21 turns with 85 feet of elevation change http://www.indemotorsports.com/site/ Here is an onboard video from a practice session from on of our club's 250cc shifter karts down at our event over Memorial Day http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNPO44zyyEc This might interest you Joe. "Join us July 21 through July 25th for the second Vintage Racing Week at Inde. Vintage Racing Week is an open track week for vintage racers and enthusiasts of all track experience levels. During this week, you have the opportunity to dial in and test and tune your vintage car on our new and challenging road course that rivals any in the country at an exceptional value. This event will have limited availability to ensure ample track time for each driver so please RSVP soon! Inde Motorsports Ranch will provide lunch every day, corner workers, and emergency medical personnel. Private Instruction can be arranged as well- please inquire for further details" From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 14 10:00:24 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:00:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> Everyone's offering in the FOT is important...not just the hardcore racer's. Thanks! Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Greg & Alison Blake To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:56 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Joe, I probably don't get a vote since I have not made a cup event yet and I have nly been racing since Feb '09. If I did have a vote, it would be for Texas orld Speedway. I know of at least 7 other FOT racers that will cast the same vote... Greg in Ausitn -----Original Message----- rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On ehalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com ent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:27 PM o: fot at autox.team.net ubject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION AKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER UP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 10:15:50 2010 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 16:15:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <2BD003B5-FDF5-4C50-BC83-5DAB5E896B27@bnj.com> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41><601787337-1279115756-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-2008132747-@bda2106.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <20100714144131.584C1187656@autox.team.net><2BD003B5-FDF5-4C50-BC83-5DAB5E896B27@bnj.com> Message-ID: I hate the Sponsor names but they do help to keep the tracks open! Just not as nastalgic. Ty Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:30:10 To: Cc: Kas Kastner; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] The cup event I almost always call it Sears Point, and Laguna is really Mazda raceway, but who wants to say that. I enjoy Laguna Seca but Sears is a more interesting track. On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote: > BTW, I meant to say Laguna or Infineon! > > Ty > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:55:58 > To: Kas Kastner; ; > Reply-To: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] The cup event > > I am new to the group, and to Triumph racing. I want to thank you all for your advice and insight. > > In terms of venue, and looking out West, if I had a chance to race at Sears Point, it would be a dream come true. > > Ty > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kas Kastner > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:24:09 > To: > Subject: [Fot] The cup event > > It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. > > As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. > > ---- Joe Boruch wrote: > > ============= > I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: fpspitfire at comcast.net > To: n197tr4 at cs.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION > MAKING > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) > > I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the > weekend :) > > > > aaron > > #87 HP Spitfire 1500 > > Southern Illinois Region SCCA > > > >____________________________________________________________ > $13/Month Car Insurance? > Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc >_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > > > > -- > Never be beaten by equipment >_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Jul 14 10:41:54 2010 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness In-Reply-To: References: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4C3D8D4C.9060908@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: > Len Renkenberger from the 6-Pack wrote an article many years ago about > building TR6 diffs without special tools. He uses ground rod stock and > washers to build a measurement tool and came up with the number .730 to .731 > pionion depth from the bottom of the bearing saddles. He opines that the > machining for the bearing saddles is inconsistent, even a little side to side > variation. I've used his method a few times and it works. > > The pinion hears do have a +number etched on them but the used ones I've seen > are sometime illegible. > > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX > > Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch > excellence. > Vince Lombardi > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:11 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness > > >> I think it may be stamped on the pinion gear. >> >> Bob >> >> On 7/13/2010 11:22 PM, Joseph Siam wrote: >>> I have a customers rear end at a rear end shop and they are having a tough >>> time setting up the pinion bearing depth. The owner took it all apart and >>> had it powder coated and tossed out the shims so no starting point for the >>> rear end shop. Any one have any good starting point. Thanks Joe >>> >>> Chequered Flag Racing .net >>> Joseph P. Siam >>> 9833 Deering Ave unit I >>> Chatsworth Ca 91311 >>> 818 350 6222 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lang at isis.mit.edu From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Jul 14 10:45:05 2010 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness In-Reply-To: References: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4C3D8D4C.9060908@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Jul 2010, Bob Kramer wrote: > The pinion hears do have a +number etched on them but the used ones I've seen > are sometime illegible. I'm not 100% certain of this, but I'm fairly certain that the numbers on the ring and pinions are "arbitrary" numbers that are used to denote matched gear sets. Of course after 40 years and who knows how many times some of the parts have changed hands, there's a fairly good likelyhood that gear sets that are exchanged as "loose parts" are not matched sets any more. :-) > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dave at microworks.net Wed Jul 14 11:46:20 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:46:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <6EFE6714ABD94B948127D161A2AF7419@EnigmaGroup.local> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41><3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223AC@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local><965ECE38E4C5431A9D5EB7042EAB7DCA@EnigmaGroup.local> <6EFE6714ABD94B948127D161A2AF7419@EnigmaGroup.local> Message-ID: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223B4@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local> There is also the brand new and super smooth Chuckwalla track in southern California http://www.chuckwallavalleyraceway.com/ Here is a video clip of that track http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIMtiB- the very first lap on this track when asphalt was completed on 3-15-2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUB05F7-17o From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 14 12:33:22 2010 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:33:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Summit Point Jefferson 500, for selfish reasons. > Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > > FOT > > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > CUP. > > Register your preference immediately. > > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > > Joe A From igofaster at att.net Wed Jul 14 12:37:00 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:37:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: References: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FC6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <603588.70487.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> PEYEN were the original head gaskets... seem to be the best still.... I haven't heard much positive about the copper gaskets Bill.... are you bringing your Spitwad to the Heartland FOT in August? Bobby Whitehead trying to get my GT6 engine assembled by August..... ________________________________ From: Joe Curry To: "Barr, Scott" ; William Collins ; 'Friends of Triumph'Triumph Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 10:42:47 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. I echo what Scott says. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:08 AM To: William Collins; 'Friends of Triumph'Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. I've had trouble getting my copper head gaskets to seal on my Spitfire motors unless the head and block surfaces are very, very smooth (and clean). Once the surfaces were smooth, I had reasonable luck getting them to seal using spray-on Copper Coat, spraying it on both sides, hanging it to dry until it was tacky. Ultimately, I have gone back to the composite gaskets - the Payen gasket with the rubbery surfaces. They work every time. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Collins Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 9:35 AM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went with a solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to lower compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and I'm looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest of the year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends Hylomar. Suggestions? Bill Collins Euless, TX '72 spit /1296 sj _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From Group44TR7 at aol.com Wed Jul 14 12:54:23 2010 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:54:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] The cup event Message-ID: <695fd.48e08552.396f61df@aol.com> It would be nice to have an event in Southern California. In a message dated 07/13/2010 8:16:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. ---- Joe Boruch wrote: ============= I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ____________________________________________________________ $13/Month Car Insurance? Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/group44tr7 at aol.com From gaf3 at charter.net Wed Jul 14 17:25:51 2010 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:25:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness In-Reply-To: <4C3D8D4C.9060908@cfl.rr.com> References: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4C3D8D4C.9060908@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <4C3E477F.1030103@charter.net> The -1 or +3 engraved on the face of the pinion is used to reference the difference to the replacement gear. It really doesn't give you a starting point but more of a reference. Any good rear end shop will have developed slip fit bearings that they can use to get the proper pinion depth and ring and pinion tooth pattern as well as back lash. If they can't figure it out, you brought it to the wrong shop. It's not rocket science but the same procedures used for decades. My 2cents worth Glenn Franco Bob wrote: > I think it may be stamped on the pinion gear. > > Bob > > On 7/13/2010 11:22 PM, Joseph Siam wrote: >> I have a customers rear end at a rear end shop and they are having a >> tough time setting up the pinion bearing depth. The owner took it >> all apart and had it powder coated and tossed out the shims so no >> starting point for the rear end shop. Any one have any good starting >> point. Thanks Joe >> >> Chequered Flag Racing .net >> Joseph P. Siam >> 9833 Deering Ave unit I >> Chatsworth Ca 91311 >> 818 350 6222 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jul 14 20:31:29 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:31:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4C3E7301.1000400@bradakis.com> Some interesting ideas. I do like the idea of a VARA event in Vegas. Phoenix area depends on the time of year. Right now my main concern is making it to Topeka next month. I'll only be getting two paychecks between now and then, both of which are already used up. My current job sucks in several respects, but it is a job. So be warned, I may be trying to peddle a bunch of parts over the next couple of weeks to come up with gas money. EBay, this list, the TR list, the Team.Net forums, you never know where I might strike! Of course one possible advantage for prospective buyers is the free shipping if you can pick them up somewhere along my route there and back again. First I have to see what I have on the shelf that people might actually *want* !! I'd like to keep the ceramic coated Stahl Spit header for my personal use at a later date, but if I get desperate that alone could cover gas and food for the trip. mjb, shameless self promoter. From igofaster at att.net Wed Jul 14 21:25:42 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <432670.81521.qm@web180809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I'm going to be stingy and propose the Texas World Speedway where we race with CVAR. Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 3:26:39 PM Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jul 14 23:14:06 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:14:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness In-Reply-To: <4C3E477F.1030103@charter.net> References: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net><4C3D8D4C.9060908@cfl.rr.com> <4C3E477F.1030103@charter.net> Message-ID: <32AE554C28FD4AB8820FE482EE868216@Meislaptop> > Any good rear end shop will have developed slip fit bearings that they > can use to get the proper pinion depth and ring and pinion tooth pattern > as well as back lash. Or they are easy enough to make yourself, from the old bearing. However, as I learned when doing my Stag diff a few years back, they may be useless! The old bearing, although still in good condition, was a good .030" thinner than the new replacement. Fortunately for me, it was the input bearing that was a different thickness, not quite as much trouble to keep swapping shims as the head bearing. I guess you could always buy two replacement bearings, and grind out the id of one of them to make a "setting" bearing; but I was too impatient for that. Randall From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jul 15 00:13:07 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 01:13:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20100715061223.AAB11187658@autox.team.net> I prefer historic tracks to new tracks. I prefer a location that isn't known for rain (like Portland is), and has a decent chance of not being blazingly hot (like Kansas is likely to be). The only west coast track I've driven was Portland. I have a personal goal of driving Laguna Seca at least once in my life, but Sears Point looks cool too. If I'm going to tow for 8 days for 3 days of racing, I want the track to be something special. In my half of the country my favorite tracks are Mosport VIR Road America Road Atlanta These are historic tracks with corners that make you say "hmm" (or Holy S*** Batman!) I've never driven Lime Rock but it would be an eastern candidate for 2012. Watkins Glen was cool but we've run there recently. 2nd tier tracks would be Hallett Grattan We did a TR / MG challenge during the SARS scare that kept folks away at Mosport, and we did a Morgan / TR challenge at Road America. We also have had an all Triumph group at Road Atlanta. The April VDCA race at VIR is becoming my favorite event of the year, but is pretty early for some. Low key, tons of track time, a great bunch of Triumph guys there already, awesome facilities... I'm not a big fan of the new country club tracks - they seem soulless and while they make for fun driving they generally don't seem to make for good racing - it's hard to pass when you have bunches of combination corners. Tony Drews From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Thu Jul 15 05:54:01 2010 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 21:54:01 +1000 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com><001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com> <8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> How about Eastern Creek Sydney Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:00 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > Everyone's offering in the FOT is important...not just the hardcore > racer's. > > Thanks! > > Joe A > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg & Alison Blake > To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:56 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR > DECISION > MAKING > > > Joe, > I probably don't get a vote since I have not made a cup event yet and I > have > nly been racing since Feb '09. If I did have a vote, it would be for > Texas > orld Speedway. > I know of at least 7 other FOT racers that will cast the same vote... > Greg in Ausitn > -----Original Message----- > rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > ehalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com > ent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:27 PM > o: fot at autox.team.net > ubject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION > AKING > FOT > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > UP. > Register your preference immediately. > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > Joe A > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jul 15 06:51:41 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:51:41 +0200 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com><001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com> <8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> <50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: <000001cb241c$7a09d4e0$6e1d7ea0$@com> I saw a video from Brathurst (Australia).....seems like fun there but not easy to stay on the track. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Geoff Byrne Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Juli 2010 13:54 An: ablake2 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net; n197tr4 at cs.com Betreff: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING How about Eastern Creek Sydney Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:00 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > Everyone's offering in the FOT is important...not just the hardcore > racer's. > > Thanks! > > Joe A > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg & Alison Blake > To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:56 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR > DECISION > MAKING > > > Joe, > I probably don't get a vote since I have not made a cup event yet and I > have > nly been racing since Feb '09. If I did have a vote, it would be for > Texas > orld Speedway. > I know of at least 7 other FOT racers that will cast the same vote... > Greg in Ausitn > -----Original Message----- > rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > ehalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com > ent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:27 PM > o: fot at autox.team.net > ubject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION > AKING > FOT > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > UP. > Register your preference immediately. > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > Joe A > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Thu Jul 15 07:31:14 2010 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 09:31:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Beaverun - Pittsburgh this weekend References: <05AAD258-4958-43A8-9EAF-55B8C3054172@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001801cb2422$00332170$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi gang, I'm headed down with my TR6; leaving soon. See you there. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:01 PM Subject: [Fot] Beaverun - Pittsburgh this weekend > I'll be there with the GT6. Will there be any other Triumphs racing? > > Scott Janzen > 1968 GT6 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin3 at verizon.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jul 15 07:36:12 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:36:12 -0000 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <20100715061223.AAB11187658@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <971D006BDF634F12B73B2B2A09AE7C1C@latitudefb1e41> Tony, I haven't been to a lot of country club tracks, just 2 in Texas and they are not legendary. The almost new Eagles Canyon track in far north Texas has those "combination corners" and a lot of off camber stuff. It's challenging to say the least and it is up to FIA specs according to their promo stuff. We should through it out there as a future option based on its location, an hour and a half north of Dallas/Fort Worth which makes it a two day haul for most people coming from Socal, and adds about 4 hours to the tow from the midwest compared to Hallett. CVAR has been willing/wanting to do another Triumph event so we could make that happen. It is way too close to the middle of the country after Topeka for this to be a good choice now but for varieties sake I'd prefer ECR rather than Hallett next time. The 2.5 mile layout may give you more opportunity to pass, but only if you have the brakes dialed in. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:13 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING >I prefer historic tracks to new tracks. > > I prefer a location that isn't known for rain (like Portland is), and has > a decent chance of not being blazingly hot (like Kansas is likely to be). > > The only west coast track I've driven was Portland. I have a personal > goal of driving Laguna Seca at least once in my life, but Sears Point > looks cool too. > > If I'm going to tow for 8 days for 3 days of racing, I want the track to > be something special. > > In my half of the country my favorite tracks are > Mosport > VIR > Road America > Road Atlanta > > These are historic tracks with corners that make you say "hmm" (or Holy > S*** Batman!) > > I've never driven Lime Rock but it would be an eastern candidate for 2012. > Watkins Glen was cool but we've run there recently. > > 2nd tier tracks would be > Hallett > Grattan > > We did a TR / MG challenge during the SARS scare that kept folks away at > Mosport, and we did a Morgan / TR challenge at Road America. We also have > had an all Triumph group at Road Atlanta. The April VDCA race at VIR is > becoming my favorite event of the year, but is pretty early for some. Low > key, tons of track time, a great bunch of Triumph guys there already, > awesome facilities... > > I'm not a big fan of the new country club tracks - they seem soulless and > while they make for fun driving they generally don't seem to make for good > racing - it's hard to pass when you have bunches of combination corners. > > Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jul 15 07:45:41 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:45:41 -0000 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com><001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com><8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> <50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: <5BA8352A3ADA48F89A5903CAE06C3421@latitudefb1e41> Greg Blake and Bobby Whitehead both suggested Texas World Speedway and it is a good facility for a venue like ours,. Like Portland it is so far away the tow would scare off a lot of people. Joe and Jack came down once so Joe is a good reference for the tow. The 2.9 mile layout even has some elevation change. Since it uses the NASCAR front straight you'll need overdrive or 3.7 gears or you will run out of rev's. With the economy the way it is sending my car overseas for a Triumph event is highly unlikely, but if it were I'd want to try and keep up with the mad man at the Ring. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Byrne" To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > How about Eastern Creek Sydney Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR > DECISION MAKING > > >> Everyone's offering in the FOT is important...not just the hardcore >> racer's. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Joe A >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Greg & Alison Blake >> To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:56 pm >> Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR >> DECISION >> MAKING >> >> >> Joe, >> I probably don't get a vote since I have not made a cup event yet and I >> have >> nly been racing since Feb '09. If I did have a vote, it would be for >> Texas >> orld Speedway. >> I know of at least 7 other FOT racers that will cast the same vote... >> Greg in Ausitn >> -----Original Message----- >> rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> ehalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com >> ent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:27 PM >> o: fot at autox.team.net >> ubject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION >> AKING >> FOT >> We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER >> UP. >> Register your preference immediately. >> No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. >> Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. >> Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. >> We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? >> Joe A >> ______________________________________________ >> ot at autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >> orums: http://www.team.net/forums >> nsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com >> ______________________________________________ >> ot at autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >> orums: http://www.team.net/forums >> nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From mpendy at dishmail.net Thu Jul 15 07:52:57 2010 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 06:52:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods Message-ID: <0BF70B40A00049DB9F38A7440B2CB705@Pendys> Good Morning list, lots of feed back on the con rods and lots of ideas to ponder, will weigh the pros and cons, thanks for the input........Mark Pendy From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jul 15 08:36:19 2010 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 10:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <000001cb241c$7a09d4e0$6e1d7ea0$@com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com><001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com> <8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> <50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> <000001cb241c$7a09d4e0$6e1d7ea0$@com> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jul 2010, MadMarx wrote: > I saw a video from Brathurst (Australia).....seems like fun there but not > easy to stay on the track. Bathurst - Mount Panorama. Ooooooohhh. Bit of a tow, though. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jul 15 08:39:40 2010 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 10:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <5BA8352A3ADA48F89A5903CAE06C3421@latitudefb1e41> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com><001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com><8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> <50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> <5BA8352A3ADA48F89A5903CAE06C3421@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Sep 2010, Bob Kramer wrote: [stuff deleted] > With the economy the way it is sending my car overseas for a Triumph event is > highly unlikely, but if it were I'd want to try and keep up with > the mad man at the Ring. I'd be all over this - driving the 'Ring would be so awesome!. Back to my previous message - but it's a bit of a tow. :-) > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From adams910 at gmail.com Thu Jul 15 09:00:05 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:00:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <971D006BDF634F12B73B2B2A09AE7C1C@latitudefb1e41> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <20100715061223.AAB11187658@autox.team.net> <971D006BDF634F12B73B2B2A09AE7C1C@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: I think you're going to have trouble getting people to justify a long tow to a non historical track, especially for the racers back east who have tracks like Road Atlanta, VIR, Lime Rock,and Watkins Glen, and a lot of really good "B" tracks like NJMP, Mid Ohio, Summit Point, Beaverun, and Roebling Road at their disposal. No offense to anyone, but I don't think people are super excited at the idea of towing two days to tracks like Topeka and TWS. Just look at the turnout at Watkins Glen in 2008 and the caliber of cars that showed up vs some of the other Triumph gatherings. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Jul 15 09:51:10 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 08:51:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <432670.81521.qm@web180809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <123D624DF14F4FB59A612449AC7F0672@TOSHIBALAPTOP> West Coast - Laguna Seca or Sears Point or Thunderhill in that order Phoenix would be fine if we did it in late winter or fall Barber would let me see my distant daughter and would be my preference for an eastern venue. Also concur on the current car issue. Jim Norlin From spitfiresuz at 141.com Thu Jul 15 10:20:02 2010 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:20:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FORDECISION MAKING Message-ID: <380-22010741516202941@M2W003.mail2web.com> Hi all, I would be happy with Mid-Ohio, Mosport, Road Atlanta, Summit Point or VIR. The spring VIR event is pretty special, as Tony says, and the track works for all types of cars. I love Mosport--the track was great and the hospitality was good (although now we Americans will need valid passports to go there and back). The Mid-Ohio track is a blast, although I do understand the issues some folks might have with going there. I have not been to Summit Point yet, so can not speak to their setup, but the others I have named all have reasonable facilities for large groups of people, both racers/support staff and spectators. It would just depend on how the sponsoring organization works with us. I know VDCA and VARAC would do it up right. Thanks for throwing this out there, Joe (A)! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft. Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Thu Jul 15 11:07:46 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 10:07:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 In-Reply-To: <59627548-5197-4829-A942-4A2CC203D0BF@bnj.com> References: <530b0.606cca22.396f1c8a@cs.com> <59627548-5197-4829-A942-4A2CC203D0BF@bnj.com> Message-ID: Gentlemen: I just got off the phone with Joe Alexander to discuss possible locations for the 2011 Kastner Cup. Would it be possible for you all to weigh in on the following three options before we proceed further. Option One: Laguna Seca (Mazda Raceway) in June. Option Two: Las Vegas Motor Speedway in October Option Three: Willow Springs International Raceway in March or November Please reply with your preference(s) and Joe will start a tally. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > There are several events at Sears Point--the CSRG charity Challenge would > be > the most likely one. Another great choice in the Southwest is Thunderhill. > Great track, though the location sucks. It's not the middle of nowhere but > you > can see it from there. Still, the track is marvelous and there's plenty of > room to spread out. > > On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > FOT list > > > > Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in this > > madness. > > > > Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. > > > > Infineon & Mosport > > > > But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning body > > have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. > > > > Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are other > > obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. > > > > Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted area > > for the next Kastner Cup. > > > > Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the 2012 > > Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in > Competition. > > > > As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be addressed > > because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that one off. You dont > think > > so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an > answer. > > They want to make it a big and memorable event. > > > > THANK YOU VERY MUCH. > > > > Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on > > this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE > > > > Joe A > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jul 15 11:16:17 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:16:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 Message-ID: <8CCF25891ED7DCC-1888-1713@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com> My Choices: Leguna Seca June Las Vegas October Willow Springs Joe Alexander thataway to go John.......! From fasttrs at yahoo.com Thu Jul 15 11:32:03 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:32:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com> <8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> <50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: <7059A721-F108-40A2-AE43-277795793E5B@yahoo.com> Sure Geoff, send us a boat and we'll be there :-)! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2010, at 6:54 AM, "Geoff Byrne" wrote: > How about Eastern Creek Sydney Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > > >> Everyone's offering in the FOT is important...not just the hardcore racer's. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Joe A >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Greg & Alison Blake >> To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:56 pm >> Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION >> MAKING >> >> >> Joe, >> I probably don't get a vote since I have not made a cup event yet and I have >> nly been racing since Feb '09. If I did have a vote, it would be for Texas >> orld Speedway. >> I know of at least 7 other FOT racers that will cast the same vote... >> Greg in Ausitn >> -----Original Message----- >> rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> ehalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com >> ent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:27 PM >> o: fot at autox.team.net >> ubject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION >> AKING >> FOT >> We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER >> UP. >> Register your preference immediately. >> No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. >> Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. >> Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. >> We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? >> Joe A >> ______________________________________________ >> ot at autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >> orums: http://www.team.net/forums >> nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com >> ______________________________________________ >> ot at autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >> orums: http://www.team.net/forums >> nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu Jul 15 11:35:04 2010 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:35:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HPR in 2011 Message-ID: I'll submit High Plains Raceway as nobody else has. Got to be true to your school... K Lynch RMVR From bownes at seiri.com Thu Jul 15 11:48:08 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:48:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FORDECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <380-22010741516202941@M2W003.mail2web.com> References: <380-22010741516202941@M2W003.mail2web.com> Message-ID: I'm happy as long as the event happens, but having it at Lime Rock would assure my attendance! I'd probably even finish up a project to bring! iii On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 12:20 PM, spitfiresuz at 141.com wrote: > Hi all, > > I would be happy with Mid-Ohio, Mosport, Road Atlanta, Summit Point or VIR. > > The spring VIR event is pretty special, as Tony says, and the track works > for all types of cars. I love Mosport--the track was great and the > hospitality was good (although now we Americans will need valid passports > to go there and back). The Mid-Ohio track is a blast, although I do > understand the issues some folks might have with going there. I have not > been to Summit Point yet, so can not speak to their setup, but the others I > have named all have reasonable facilities for large groups of people, both > racers/support staff and spectators. > > It would just depend on how the sponsoring organization works with us. I > know VDCA and VARAC would do it up right. > > Thanks for throwing this out there, Joe (A)! > > Keep Triumphing, > Susan :) > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com - Microsoft. Exchange solutions from a leading provider - > http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From billb at bnj.com Thu Jul 15 12:00:31 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:00:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <20100715061223.AAB11187658@autox.team.net> <971D006BDF634F12B73B2B2A09AE7C1C@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: Amen, brother. I discovered on my long tour (www.allaluminumtour.com) that most historic tracks are also great tracks. And most of the ones you never heard of are not. The best you can say about the modern tracks is that they are "interesting". Would I rather go to Sears or Thunderhill. No contest. A great track has places to pass, challenging corners, places to go fast, and requires technique, tactics and strategy. I spent some time thinking about this once and decided why I like Portland International Raceway even though there are no elevation changes (which I generally consider critical). It's because you need a strategy for each opponent based on the relative strengths and weaknesses of their car and yours. You can be a second slower at PIR and win with a superior strategy. Been there, done exactly that. Limerock--historically significant but kind of boring. Watkins Glen--separates the sheep from the goats (according to Tony Garmey). Road America--where am I? Fast and interesting. Road Atlanta--incredibly varied and some fine passing places. Sears--Awesome, great passing spots, fast and tricky. Laguna -- some nice corners, the corkscrew is fun and turn nine is a challenge, but not in the same league as Sears. VIR--fiddly, but fun. Mosport--oh my god. What were they thinking. On Jul 15, 2010, at 8:00 AM, Bob Adams wrote: > I think you're going to have trouble getting people to justify a long tow to > a non historical track, especially for the racers back east who have tracks > like Road Atlanta, VIR, Lime Rock,and Watkins Glen, and a lot of really good > "B" tracks like NJMP, Mid Ohio, Summit Point, Beaverun, and Roebling Road at > their disposal. > > No offense to anyone, but I don't think people are super excited at the idea > of towing two days to tracks like Topeka and TWS. > > Just look at the turnout at Watkins Glen in 2008 and the caliber of cars > that showed up vs some of the other Triumph gatherings. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Jul 15 14:09:28 2010 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:09:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My choice for the KASTNER CUP 2011 In-Reply-To: <8CCF25891ED7DCC-1888-1713@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF25891ED7DCC-1888-1713@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Laguna Seca in June: I will do everything possible to make it as it is on my bucket list. Las Vegas in October: 21 hour tow makes this a hard choice. I will try to make it, especially if we get some other takers from Texas. Willow Springs: see # 2 Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell We are as happy as we make up our minds to be. ~ Abraham Lincoln From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Thu Jul 15 17:14:06 2010 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:14:06 +1000 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <000001cb241c$7a09d4e0$6e1d7ea0$@com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com><001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com><8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com><50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> <000001cb241c$7a09d4e0$6e1d7ea0$@com> Message-ID: We race at Bathurst at Easter and its the most intimadating track in Australia requires real balls to drive it fast . The best track in Australia IMHO is Philip Island where we have a race each year befor the Aus GP a lot of US drivers bring cars over for the meeting and go on to race in support races at the GP. Driving Philip Island is like dancing it just flows Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING >I saw a video from Brathurst (Australia).....seems like fun there but not > easy to stay on the track. From susank at 141.com Thu Jul 15 17:15:59 2010 From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:15:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FORDECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <380-22010741516202941@M2W003.mail2web.com> References: <380-22010741516202941@M2W003.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <4C3F96AF.8010408@141.com> From jfrymark at aol.com Thu Jul 15 17:29:09 2010 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 16:29:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 2011 Kastner Cup Message-ID: <3D2F7EA9-FF6C-4470-9FCA-FB8DDF1B2D7F@aol.com> > On Jul 15, 2010, at 8:00 AM, Bob Adams wrote: > I think you're going to have trouble getting people to justify a > long tow to a non historical track, especially for the racers back east who have tracks like Road Atlanta, VIR, Lime Rock,and Watkins Glen,... I think along these lines, too. That's why I encourage you to think about coming to race at Willow Springs in SoCal. It is the oldest track in the West (continuously operated since 1950-something), it's long and it's fast. In November, when most racing is bench-style, VARA puts on the Big Bore Bash bringing interesting cars from all over. While you might want to only think about Triumphs, it's really cool to see a Lola T70 at full chat around WSIR. And this is the track where Kas tried out all his "new stuff", so it has special significance. John Frymark VARA DP #67 TR4A From susank at 141.com Thu Jul 15 18:03:09 2010 From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 20:03:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FORDECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <4C3F96AF.8010408@141.com> References: <380-22010741516202941@M2W003.mail2web.com> <4C3F96AF.8010408@141.com> Message-ID: <4C3FA1BD.5010608@141.com> Whoops, meant to designate this for the 60th, not 2011. I have no opinion on west-coast raceways, since I have never raced at one, but fully agree the Kastner Cup needs to give both sides and the middle of the continent equal representation. Susan :) > > On 7/15/2010 12:20 PM, spitfiresuz at 141.com wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I would be happy with Mid-Ohio, Mosport, Road Atlanta, Summit Point or VIR. >> >> The spring VIR event is pretty special, as Tony says, and the track works >> for all types of cars. I love Mosport--the track was great and the >> hospitality was good (although now we Americans will need valid passports >> to go there and back). The Mid-Ohio track is a blast, although I do >> understand the issues some folks might have with going there. I have not >> been to Summit Point yet, so can not speak to their setup, but the others I >> have named all have reasonable facilities for large groups of people, both >> racers/support staff and spectators. >> >> It would just depend on how the sponsoring organization works with us. I >> know VDCA and VARAC would do it up right. >> >> Thanks for throwing this out there, Joe (A)! >> >> Keep Triumphing, >> Susan :) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive:http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums:http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> mail2web.com - Microsoft. Exchange solutions from a leading provider - >> http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive:http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums:http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG -www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3006 - Release Date: 07/14/10 22:26:00 >> >> > > -- > I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. > -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jul 15 18:32:54 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:32:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HPR in 2011 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C3FA8B6.5020809@bradakis.com> KEVIN LYNCH wrote: > I'll submit High Plains Raceway as nobody else has. > My first impression is that it is too close to Topeka. It might be a good choice after a west coast then east coast event, but two central events in a row would likely not go over that well. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jul 15 18:38:19 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:38:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 In-Reply-To: <8CCF25891ED7DCC-1888-1713@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF25891ED7DCC-1888-1713@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4C3FA9FB.2050905@bradakis.com> > Las Vegas October > > This is my personal preference. A day's drive away, a good time of year in terms of temperatures, and I'm not that tempted to throw away a lot of money at the casinos - I waste it all on Triumphs! By October of 2011 I could even have a Triumph that I could drive to Vegas. Having one I could *race* at Vegas is pretty unlikely. mjb. From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Jul 15 19:54:15 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 21:54:15 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Venue Message-ID: Regarding Vegas, It's a fantastic draw to tell the family that this race weekend will have something for them too for a change. That's a sell. Downside, it's not a track that you'll be talking about for years to come, Obviously I can support the notion of a Vegas event, I live twenty miles away. Beyond that I'd have to say no. Willow would be a much better racetrack but no amenities. Nonetheless, I'm glad to see the observations that the crowd is way overdue to come west. We've driven East much too often and for a while there I expected the next event to be two hundred miles out in the Atlantic ocean, such was the eastern migration. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Jul 15 19:56:26 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:56:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Laguna Seca is my first choice. I haven't been there since the 1970 Can Am race. I'd have to list Willow Springs as a second choice. It's definitely a historic track and one I want to race at. I would like to ask the SoCal folks about the conditions there. I've heard that there's significant wind blown sand at some of the tracks in the area, but I don't remember which tracks were affected, Willow Springs or Buttonwillow or even Vegas. Any comments and does the time of year make a difference? Not a big deal for my paint job, but it may be for some. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Nikas Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:08 AM To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Gentlemen: I just got off the phone with Joe Alexander to discuss possible locations for the 2011 Kastner Cup. Would it be possible for you all to weigh in on the following three options before we proceed further. Option One: Laguna Seca (Mazda Raceway) in June. Option Two: Las Vegas Motor Speedway in October Option Three: Willow Springs International Raceway in March or November Please reply with your preference(s) and Joe will start a tally. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > There are several events at Sears Point--the CSRG charity Challenge > would be the most likely one. Another great choice in the Southwest is > Thunderhill. Great track, though the location sucks. It's not the > middle of nowhere but you > can see it from there. Still, the track is marvelous and there's plenty of > room to spread out. > > On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > FOT list > > > > Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in > > this madness. > > > > Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. > > > > Infineon & Mosport > > > > But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning > > body have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. > > > > Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are > > other obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. > > > > Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted > > area for the next Kastner Cup. > > > > Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the > > 2012 Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in > Competition. > > > > As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be > > addressed because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that > > one off. You dont > think > > so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an > answer. > > They want to make it a big and memorable event. > > > > THANK YOU VERY MUCH. > > > > Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on > > this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE > > > > Joe A > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From jgambony at gcecisp.com Thu Jul 15 20:03:12 2010 From: jgambony at gcecisp.com (jgambony at gcecisp.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 21:03:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2012 Message-ID: <1216.189.154.17.161.1279245792.squirrel@189.154.17.161> For 2012 I'll pose the question to the historians on the list (I'm away from my reference library for the week)... Where was the first race for a Standard-Triumph in the US? Just a thought. Cheers, Jim Dallas FOT list Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in this madness. Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. Infineon & Mosport But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning body have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are other obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted area for the next Kastner Cup. Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the 2012 Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in Competition. As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be addressed because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that one off. You dont think so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an answer. They want to make it a big and memorable event. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Jul 15 21:24:22 2010 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 03:24:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 In-Reply-To: <1718964034.101891.1279250609087.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1565926704.101946.1279250662542.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> If we can't have Sears Point (Infineon), Laguna would be the next best choice. With the close proximity of the Monterey Bay and all it has to offer, your families and sweethearts will want to make the trip too. The June event is low key and the chance to experience the Corking device will delight all who go there. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:16:17 AM Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 My Choices: Leguna Seca June Las Vegas October Willow Springs Joe Alexander thataway to go John.......! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jul 15 23:37:20 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 00:37:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <530b0.606cca22.396f1c8a@cs.com> <59627548-5197-4829-A942-4A2CC203D0BF@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20100716053641.110C218765E@autox.team.net> My order of preference is that same as what is listed: 1. Laguna Seca / June 2. Vegas October 3. Willow Springs with a slight preference of November over March - Tony Drews At 12:07 PM 7/15/2010, John Nikas wrote: >Gentlemen: > >I just got off the phone with Joe Alexander to discuss possible locations >for the 2011 Kastner Cup. > >Would it be possible for you all to weigh in on the following three options >before we proceed further. > >Option One: Laguna Seca (Mazda Raceway) in June. > >Option Two: Las Vegas Motor Speedway in October > >Option Three: Willow Springs International Raceway in March or November > >Please reply with your preference(s) and Joe will start a tally. > >On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > > > There are several events at Sears Point--the CSRG charity Challenge would > > be > > the most likely one. Another great choice in the Southwest is Thunderhill. > > Great track, though the location sucks. It's not the middle of nowhere but > > you > > can see it from there. Still, the track is marvelous and there's plenty of > > room to spread out. > > > > On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > > > FOT list > > > > > > Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in this > > > madness. > > > > > > Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. > > > > > > Infineon & Mosport > > > > > > But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning body > > > have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. > > > > > > Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are other > > > obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. > > > > > > Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted area > > > for the next Kastner Cup. > > > > > > Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the 2012 > > > Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in > > Competition. > > > > > > As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be addressed > > > because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that one off. You dont > > think > > > so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an > > answer. > > > They want to make it a big and memorable event. > > > > > > THANK YOU VERY MUCH. > > > > > > Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on > > > this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE > > > > > > Joe A > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > > > > > > > > >-- >Very truly yours, > >John Nikas >Cape Coventry Racing >www.capecoventryracing.com >(949) 375-6306 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From GRMTim at aol.com Fri Jul 16 06:10:10 2010 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 08:10:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Message-ID: We will sponsor the event, the parties and we also have our small-bore series going if you make it part of the Classic Motorsports Mitty at Road Atlanta in early May. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 From GRMTim at aol.com Fri Jul 16 06:16:04 2010 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 08:16:04 EDT Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 Message-ID: I also suggest that you study timing and where our members are located. I am sick that I cannot make Topeka and actually am still looking at flights so I can just drop in for a day and say hi on my way back from Monterey. But between in being in Topeka and one week after Monterey, I just couldn't figure out how to do it. I like the idea of moving it around and it has gotten me to tracks that I wouldn't ordinarily go to, but we will get better representation if this event is either part of another major event that many of us are already planning on going to, or totally not near another major event (like Monterey) that many of us are planning on going to. It also will do better if it is nearer to more of our members. Ie., If 2/3rds of our members are in the east, than 2/3rds of these events should be in the east. Does Joe have these figures? Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 07:01:20 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 06:01:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Deal. You're committed now Tim. On Jul 16, 2010 5:50 AM, wrote: We will sponsor the event, the parties and we also have our small-bore series going if you make it part of the Classic Motorsports Mitty at Road Atlanta in early May. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donat... From triosan at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 07:13:23 2010 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:13:23 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would vote for that in 2012! Chuck On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:10 PM, wrote: > We will sponsor the event, the parties and we also have our small-bore > series going if you make it part of the Classic Motorsports Mitty at Road > Atlanta in early May. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From adams910 at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 07:24:11 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:24:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Message-ID: I'd also caution against using hard numbers from an unofficial FOT list poll, unless there is a silent majority who are just privately emailing. The midwest racers seem to be pretty active on the list, but I can think a lot of east coast racers who you never see post anymore. The so-cal and p-northwest guys seem to chime in once in a while, but I'm not sure how many of them there are. Sorry to steer this off topic, but what are the rules for what is eligible for the Kastner Cup? Most East Coast and Midwest racers have minimum weight rules and tire restrictions, where from taking a quick look at pictures and taking a quick gander at the rules, the west coast guys don't have them and most seem to be on 7" rims with Hoosier R6's. That makes for a BIG difference in performance, and I know there are some East Coast guys that would go REALLY FAST if they switched tires and pulled ballast. Bob From chasgee at aol.com Fri Jul 16 09:46:46 2010 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:46:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> I wish we could run 7 inch rims, but our rules (like most everyone elses) limit us to 6 inch. We can run any DOT tire though, including the R6. We have around 15-18 Triumph regulars in So Cal/Vegas that show up to most of the races. We probably average 10-12 Triumphs per local event. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Adams To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2010 6:24 am Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP I'd also caution against using hard numbers from an unofficial FOT list oll, unless there is a silent majority who are just privately emailing. The idwest racers seem to be pretty active on the list, but I can think a lot f east coast racers who you never see post anymore. The so-cal and -northwest guys seem to chime in once in a while, but I'm not sure how many f them there are. orry to steer this off topic, but what are the rules for what is eligible or the Kastner Cup? Most East Coast and Midwest racers have minimum weight ules and tire restrictions, where from taking a quick look at pictures and aking a quick gander at the rules, the west coast guys don't have them and ost seem to be on 7" rims with Hoosier R6's. That makes for a BIG ifference in performance, and I know there are some East Coast guys that ould go REALLY FAST if they switched tires and pulled ballast. Bob ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From adams910 at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 09:52:24 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:52:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Ok, before anyone accuses me of complaining, I'm not. I just want to know how far you can go and still be eligible for the Cup. This is racing, there is no sense in bringing a knife to a gun fight. 7" rims applies to some of the 4cyl TR's and I meant organizations in the Southwest. Bob From Group44TR7 at aol.com Fri Jul 16 09:59:54 2010 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:59:54 EDT Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 & beyond Message-ID: Tim I appreciate all that you have attempted to do for Triumph owners and in particular, the Triumph racing community. When it comes to the 60th reunion that FOT selection should take into account your past and current support. I felt particularly bad that I was unable to support your efforts to get the Group 44 cars together because of all that you have done. Unfortunately, the same considerations and constraints will probably keep me from particpating in the 60th reunion if it was held at Mitty. Fot Members Similarly, Moss has in past sponsored a spring event at Buttonwillow. I do not remember that event being an "official" annual FOT event, but it seems like we are not supporting a vendor who is supporting us. Maybe something can be worked out with Moss about an annual west coast event (although I really do not like Buttonwillow) In the end, if we do not support those who are supporting us, then we will lose their support. Thanks for listening - Cary From chasgee at aol.com Fri Jul 16 10:32:00 2010 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:32:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CCF31B8CEDA857-18B8-292DE@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> Bob, Go here: http://www.kaskastner.com/kastnercup.html Since this is Kas's invention, he creates the ruels. Chuck Gee -----Original Message----- From: Bob Adams To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2010 8:52 am Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Ok, before anyone accuses me of complaining, I'm not. I just want to know ow far you can go and still be eligible for the Cup. This is racing, there s no sense in bringing a knife to a gun fight. 7" rims applies to some of the 4cyl TR's and I meant organizations in the outhwest. Bob ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From billb at bnj.com Fri Jul 16 10:32:44 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:32:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: In my tour around the country the place I found the most modern triumph rubber in the southeast. Most of the folks in the NW run SOVERN vintage rules, which means 6" rims and treaded tires. For TR3 that means bias ply 70 series, so it's vintage TDs. I'm supposed to run those, but I generally run Hoosier Speedsters. If you run HMSA or General Racing it's Dunlop L series in 5.50 X 15. A far cry from the slicks everyone was on in the Southeast. On Jul 16, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Bob Adams wrote: > Ok, before anyone accuses me of complaining, I'm not. I just want to know > how far you can go and still be eligible for the Cup. This is racing, there > is no sense in bringing a knife to a gun fight. > > 7" rims applies to some of the 4cyl TR's and I meant organizations in the > Southwest. > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From gasket.works at gte.net Fri Jul 16 10:59:10 2010 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:59:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] rules; In-Reply-To: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1817612503-1279299548-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-312014846-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I like rules. They invigorate my curiosity for ways to confound them. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: chasgee at aol.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:46:46 To: ; Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP I wish we could run 7 inch rims, but our rules (like most everyone elses) limit us to 6 inch. We can run any DOT tire though, including the R6. We have around 15-18 Triumph regulars in So Cal/Vegas that show up to most of the races. We probably average 10-12 Triumphs per local event. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Adams To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2010 6:24 am Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP I'd also caution against using hard numbers from an unofficial FOT list oll, unless there is a silent majority who are just privately emailing. The idwest racers seem to be pretty active on the list, but I can think a lot f east coast racers who you never see post anymore. The so-cal and -northwest guys seem to chime in once in a while, but I'm not sure how many f them there are. orry to steer this off topic, but what are the rules for what is eligible or the Kastner Cup? Most East Coast and Midwest racers have minimum weight ules and tire restrictions, where from taking a quick look at pictures and aking a quick gander at the rules, the west coast guys don't have them and ost seem to be on 7" rims with Hoosier R6's. That makes for a BIG ifference in performance, and I know there are some East Coast guys that ould go REALLY FAST if they switched tires and pulled ballast. Bob ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net From kaskas at cox.net Fri Jul 16 13:23:58 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:23:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Another point Message-ID: <20100716152358.E0T1M.54411.imail@fed1rmwml46> In my long explanation of my rules, I left out an other thing, You cannot win the cup in consecutive years. -- Never be beaten by equipment From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Jul 16 14:30:42 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:30:42 -0000 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> What size tire are they running on 7" rims? Assuming we are talking treaded, vintage legal tires, I would think they would have to be some pretty sticky 225-50's to make a big enough difference over the 205-60's we run on 6" rims. I have 7" rims on my street TR6 and I could use them on the TR4's depending on the venue but I doubt it would be worth the effort unless I upgraded tires too. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Adams" To: Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP > Ok, before anyone accuses me of complaining, I'm not. I just want to know > how far you can go and still be eligible for the Cup. This is racing, > there > is no sense in bringing a knife to a gun fight. > > 7" rims applies to some of the 4cyl TR's and I meant organizations in the > Southwest. > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jul 16 14:46:38 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:46:38 +0200 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000101cb2527$fdb23ce0$f916b6a0$@com> We are allowed to run 7" rims but most of the people stay with 6". -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von chasgee at aol.com Gesendet: Freitag, 16. Juli 2010 17:47 An: adams910 at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP I wish we could run 7 inch rims, but our rules (like most everyone elses) limit us to 6 inch. We can run any DOT tire though, including the R6. We have around 15-18 Triumph regulars in So Cal/Vegas that show up to most of the races. We probably average 10-12 Triumphs per local event. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Adams To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2010 6:24 am Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP I'd also caution against using hard numbers from an unofficial FOT list oll, unless there is a silent majority who are just privately emailing. The idwest racers seem to be pretty active on the list, but I can think a lot f east coast racers who you never see post anymore. The so-cal and -northwest guys seem to chime in once in a while, but I'm not sure how many f them there are. orry to steer this off topic, but what are the rules for what is eligible or the Kastner Cup? Most East Coast and Midwest racers have minimum weight ules and tire restrictions, where from taking a quick look at pictures and aking a quick gander at the rules, the west coast guys don't have them and ost seem to be on 7" rims with Hoosier R6's. That makes for a BIG ifference in performance, and I know there are some East Coast guys that ould go REALLY FAST if they switched tires and pulled ballast. Bob ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From igofaster at att.net Fri Jul 16 15:03:17 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <530b0.606cca22.396f1c8a@cs.com> <59627548-5197-4829-A942-4A2CC203D0BF@bnj.com> Message-ID: <478891.81425.qm@web180803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Willow Springs in November.. Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: John Nikas To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 12:07:46 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Gentlemen: I just got off the phone with Joe Alexander to discuss possible locations for the 2011 Kastner Cup. Would it be possible for you all to weigh in on the following three options before we proceed further. Option One: Laguna Seca (Mazda Raceway) in June. Option Two: Las Vegas Motor Speedway in October Option Three: Willow Springs International Raceway in March or November Please reply with your preference(s) and Joe will start a tally. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > There are several events at Sears Point--the CSRG charity Challenge would > be > the most likely one. Another great choice in the Southwest is Thunderhill. > Great track, though the location sucks. It's not the middle of nowhere but > you > can see it from there. Still, the track is marvelous and there's plenty of > room to spread out. > > On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > FOT list > > > > Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in this > > madness. > > > > Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. > > > > Infineon & Mosport > > > > But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning body > > have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. > > > > Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are other > > obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. > > > > Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted area > > for the next Kastner Cup. > > > > Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the 2012 > > Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in > Competition. > > > > As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be addressed > > because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that one off. You dont > think > > so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an > answer. > > They want to make it a big and memorable event. > > > > THANK YOU VERY MUCH. > > > > Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on > > this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE > > > > Joe A > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From kaskas at cox.net Fri Jul 16 15:19:15 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:19:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Another point In-Reply-To: <20100716152358.E0T1M.54411.imail@fed1rmwml46> Message-ID: <20100716171915.Z7GQN.55446.imail@fed1rmwml41> Well apparently my long message about the rules of the CUP has been cut by the list administrator for being too long. But it may show up in a while. ---- Kas Kastner wrote: ============= In my long explanation of my rules, I left out an other thing, You cannot win the cup in consecutive years. -- Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Jul 16 16:18:02 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:18:02 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Another point References: <20100716171915.Z7GQN.55446.imail@fed1rmwml41> Message-ID: <4096F2FE3C6E4879A5F6FBA0549F4E6E@latitudefb1e41> and Mordy has been drooling all afternoon. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "Kas Kastner" ; Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Another point > Well apparently my long message about the rules of the CUP has been cut by > the list administrator for being too long. But it may show up in a while From adams910 at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 16:25:16 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:25:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: There is a discernible difference between a 6" and 7" rim on a 205 series tire. Any good driver (it's pretty common knowledge amongst the R-DOT SCCA crowd) who has done testing will tell you this. However, a 7" rim would help to make the TR4 more competitive against the Porshe 356's , the Kumho / Toyo shod MGBs and those pesky 1000lb Super 7's and Ginetta's From brad.kahler at 141.com Fri Jul 16 16:59:08 2010 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:59:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 In-Reply-To: <20100716053641.110C218765E@autox.team.net> References: <530b0.606cca22.396f1c8a@cs.com> <59627548-5197-4829-A942-4A2CC203D0BF@bnj.com> <20100716053641.110C218765E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Just thought I should throw this out there for the east coasters interested in a March or November west coast event. Keep in mind that the Rockies can be an interesting place to travel during those months. I lived in the mountains at 9000 above Denver for about 10 years and you can get horrendous snow storms at almost a moments notice. The highways are well taken care of (or were) by the road crews but when a blizzard hits there isn't much they can do until its over. Just something to consider when making a decision for the event location. Brad On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:37 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > My order of preference is that same as what is listed: > 1. Laguna Seca / June > 2. Vegas October > 3. Willow Springs with a slight preference of November over March > > - Tony Drews From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jul 16 17:31:53 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 01:31:53 +0200 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> Hmm, when ever was a TR4 slower than a 356? In Europe they are TR food. MGS are about the same speed as a TR4. S7 should be faster but not always they are. I never met a Ginetta in a race. The Porsches 911S and TS are hard to beat. I bet that the bigger rims are an advantage but they might require to do changes to the body work. Fender flares aren't allowed in Europe. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bob Adams Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Juli 2010 00:25 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP There is a discernible difference between a 6" and 7" rim on a 205 series tire. Any good driver (it's pretty common knowledge amongst the R-DOT SCCA crowd) who has done testing will tell you this. However, a 7" rim would help to make the TR4 more competitive against the Porshe 356's , the Kumho / Toyo shod MGBs and those pesky 1000lb Super 7's and Ginetta's _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From kaskas at cox.net Fri Jul 16 13:13:42 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:13:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup, not the FOT cup. In-Reply-To: <1817612503-1279299548-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-312014846-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <20100716151342.IWXI0.54252.imail@fed1rmwml46> I have always been a better than average racing lawyer, and did devote more than a little time to carefully reading every sentence and every word of every rule. So maybe I can give a little clairification of this deal. This is about TRIUMPH CARS and entrants, not FOT cars and entrants. First off, it was never meant to be a prize for the all out winner of a race that is designated as the CUP event, it might be the first overall guy, and it has happened, but only once in 6 events. Half of the voting points are awarded to the OUTSTANDING Triumph driver in the race designated. But, that is only half of it. 25% is awarded to vintage racing entrants that normally support that series, Vintage Racing, and whose attitude reflects a the spirit of the series. 25% of the points is awarded on the presentation of the car. That means a neat, clean, smart looking car that is well prepared. The final 50% is for the performance in the racing event. With a purpose, I devised this latitude to assist in judging the winner of the Cup. The idea of awarding this cup, in the very beginning, was to give a bit of special attention to the people that have put their love and efforts and hard cash into the sport and into their cars. I love Triumph cars and I thought this award might make a few folks happy to get some attention for their efforts. The club responsible for the total event that administers tech inspection determines the legality of the entrant, though it is my opinion that if your car is legal to your local clubs regulations, you make the cut. Jack Worhle at the Watklin's Glen event did a terrific job and making it possible for everyone to race together. It might be a good idea to ask him to participate. The same was done at Portland last year. Every clubs entrants, with different specifications, were all running together and it was a great event. There is usually several races for all cars. Not just the Triumph race, so it is not a plan to cut out some folks because of their local club regulations. Sure, the rules are different and so are the preparation of each, but for the most part it is pretty easy to pick out the few in the Triumph race that is OUTSTANDING. At least it has been so far. It has been terribly close right down to the end in several of the CUP events, but in the end, it was a clear cut decision. This is not a "popularity contest" or a "deserving person" contest. It is not always an easy choice, but in the end, I make the count, and the final decision, blame me if you do not agree with the outcome. ---- gasket.works at gte.net wrote: ============= I like rules. They invigorate my curiosity for ways to confound them. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: chasgee at aol.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:46:46 To: ; Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP I wish we could run 7 inch rims, but our rules (like most everyone elses) limit us to 6 inch. We can run any DOT tire though, including the R6. We have around 15-18 Triumph regulars in So Cal/Vegas that show up to most of the races. We probably average 10-12 Triumphs per local event. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Adams To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2010 6:24 am Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP I'd also caution against using hard numbers from an unofficial FOT list oll, unless there is a silent majority who are just privately emailing. The idwest racers seem to be pretty active on the list, but I can think a lot f east coast racers who you never see post anymore. The so-cal and -northwest guys seem to chime in once in a while, but I'm not sure how many f them there are. orry to steer this off topic, but what are the rules for what is eligible or the Kastner Cup? Most East Coast and Midwest racers have minimum weight ules and tire restrictions, where from taking a quick look at pictures and aking a quick gander at the rules, the west coast guys don't have them and ost seem to be on 7" rims with Hoosier R6's. That makes for a BIG ifference in performance, and I know there are some East Coast guys that ould go REALLY FAST if they switched tires and pulled ballast. Bob ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jul 16 18:34:19 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:34:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Another point In-Reply-To: <20100716171915.Z7GQN.55446.imail@fed1rmwml41> References: <20100716171915.Z7GQN.55446.imail@fed1rmwml41> Message-ID: <4C40FA8B.2070306@bradakis.com> Kas Kastner wrote: > Well apparently my long message about the rules of the CUP has been cut by the list administrator for being too long. But it may show up in a while. > Yes, I will get to various Team.Net admin chores later this evening, will make sure I get the rules message approved. Actually, I can wait another few minutes before starting the charcoal for tonight's dinner... Okay, it should be on it's way, though the server is showing some delay in turnaround time on email. I gotta get that fixed! mjb. From adams910 at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 18:35:24 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:35:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> Message-ID: Wider track, 4 wheel disk brakes, better aero, 300lbs lighter, 4 wheel independent suspension and a killer gear box set up. A really healthy TR can run the best ones down the straightaways pretty good, and a really good driver can outbrake them, but they come off the corners like a rocket ship. A track with tight corners and long straightaways would suit the TR well, but a track like Watkins Glen with a lot of fast sweepers, the TR is close, but a tick behind. I'm willing to bet the Porshe 356's (the cars out of Skirmant's shop and Ecurie Enterprises) over here are much more developed and better driven than you guys have over there. Same with the MGB's (1850lbs and the best ones are making around 190bhp on SU's). From chasgee at aol.com Fri Jul 16 19:20:03 2010 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 21:20:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com><1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> Message-ID: <8CCF365515E8C28-266C-5798@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> We have no problems with the 356s or MGs on the West coast either. 911s and Ginettas are in the next class up. -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2010 4:31 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Hmm, when ever was a TR4 slower than a 356? n Europe they are TR food. GS are about the same speed as a TR4. 7 should be faster but not always they are. never met a Ginetta in a race. he Porsches 911S and TS are hard to beat. I bet that the bigger rims are an advantage but they might require to do hanges to the body work. ender flares aren't allowed in Europe. Cheers hris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- on: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im uftrag von Bob Adams esendet: Samstag, 17. Juli 2010 00:25 n: fot at autox.team.net etreff: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP There is a discernible difference between a 6" and 7" rim on a 205 series ire. Any good driver (it's pretty common knowledge amongst the R-DOT SCCA rowd) who has done testing will tell you this. However, a 7" rim would elp to make the TR4 more competitive against the Porshe 356's , the Kumho Toyo shod MGBs and those pesky 1000lb Super 7's and Ginetta's ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Jul 16 19:25:04 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 01:25:04 -0000 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com><1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> Message-ID: We have those car running in CVAR and my TR4 loses to the fast MGB's, most of the 911's and all the S7's. The 911's run 7" rims and 225-50-15 Hoosier Street TD's or equivelent, even though they could be forced onto the 205-60-15 tire. Practicality rules the day as most 911 vintage racers also run Porsche club events and they don't want two sets of wheels and tires. We have a lot of 911's. I assume a TR6 would also run 225-50's. We have some wacky rules in CVAR. The induction rule allows any carb as long as you don't change the number of barrels. The fast MGB's are running 2" SU's in place of the SCCA spec 1.5" versions, so that tells you that they are moving a lot of air through the engine. I attest the t to the fact that the MGB was a current car into the 1980's and was continued to be developed way beyong the end of the line for the wet liner TR. That and all the lightweight stuff we all try to use and viola, big HP. From what I've heard we are pretty much maxxing out the TR engine and can't get much more through without more rev's than we can afford. The same induction rule allows one to run a TR6 with triple Webers even though the SCCA had the dual car car as the spec. Just like the old days we showed them the PI spec to get John Price's TR6 engine TVR legal and proved the righteousness of the allowance. I'm itching to build a TR6 these days. The S7's are supposed to run a single Weber with the (I think) 1300 engine and dual Webers with the smaller engines. I suspect all the ones I see are all bumped to 1500 cc's and I know they all run dual Webers. To add insult to injury they class them with me in DP. Since I have 7" rims I may have to test the "discernible difference between a 6" and 7" rim on a 205 series tire" statement. I can't see how it could be much. If it were, I'll runn 7"ers when I go west! Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP > Hmm, when ever was a TR4 slower than a 356? > In Europe they are TR food. > MGS are about the same speed as a TR4. > S7 should be faster but not always they are. > I never met a Ginetta in a race. > The Porsches 911S and TS are hard to beat. > > I bet that the bigger rims are an advantage but they might require to do > changes to the body work. > Fender flares aren't allowed in Europe. > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Bob Adams > Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Juli 2010 00:25 > An: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP > > There is a discernible difference between a 6" and 7" rim on a 205 series > tire. Any good driver (it's pretty common knowledge amongst the R-DOT > SCCA > crowd) who has done testing will tell you this. However, a 7" rim would > help to make the TR4 more competitive against the Porshe 356's , the Kumho > / Toyo shod MGBs and those pesky 1000lb Super 7's and Ginetta's Jack W> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jul 16 19:44:14 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:44:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com><1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> Message-ID: Hi Gang...In the old days, TR4s were DP(got moved up from EP)..and 356 Porsches stayed in EP...In DP ..lets not forget the Jaguar XK 120.....On a track like Vacaville, which ....had a long straight...The Jags dominated....On a twisty course..The Lotus Super 7 was hard to beat....The TR4 was a car that could 'Do It All'(not beat the Jag down the straight though) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP > Hmm, when ever was a TR4 slower than a 356? > In Europe they are TR food. > MGS are about the same speed as a TR4. > S7 should be faster but not always they are. > I never met a Ginetta in a race. > The Porsches 911S and TS are hard to beat. > > I bet that the bigger rims are an advantage but they might require to do > changes to the body work. > Fender flares aren't allowed in Europe. > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Bob Adams > Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Juli 2010 00:25 > An: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP > > There is a discernible difference between a 6" and 7" rim on a 205 series > tire. Any good driver (it's pretty common knowledge amongst the R-DOT > SCCA > crowd) who has done testing will tell you this. However, a 7" rim would > help to make the TR4 more competitive against the Porshe 356's , the Kumho > / Toyo shod MGBs and those pesky 1000lb Super 7's and Ginetta's Jack W> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From stlnyc at msn.com Fri Jul 16 20:17:57 2010 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:17:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Message-ID: I would also like to suggest High Plains Raceway when the race is due to be in the middle part of the country again. RMVR used to put on the Steamboat street race which drew entrants from across the country, so they're used to differences in club rules. HPR is also the only (as far as I know) track that was built,maintained & managed by & for amatuer racers. It's a 2.5 mile, 15 corner track with 60' of elevation changes that offers enough technical challenges and high speed straights to keep everybody grinning (or swearing!). If you'd like, check it out on the website - www.highplainsraceway.com . Fred Hodgson From adams910 at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 20:41:21 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:41:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> Message-ID: For those who don't know me, I crew on Dick Stockton's car, and he runs up front at the BIG SVRA events. I honestly believe you're not going to find faster vintage fields than the Gold Cup, KIC, and Watkins Glen Vintage GP. For lap time comparisons he's turning 2.20's at Watkins Glen and the rest of the front runners 2.20's - high 2.18 range. For reference, in the Triumph race in '08, the TR250K did a 2.19.4 and Kreger did a 2.19.1. So I'm talking some VERY FAST 4cyl cars. (Skirmant's 356, Mckenzie's MGB (ex Dave Headley car for the RMVR people), Tillinger's Datsun, and some Super 7's). Since we're talking Porsche 356's here are some typical times for comparison from Vic Skirmants' Porsche 356 ( without a doubt, the best 356 in the country): 2:18's at VIR 1:42's Mid Ohio (Pro) , 1:44's (club (what everyone ran in 2002)) 2:44's at Road America 1:44's at Road Atlanta 2:19's at Watkins Glen This isn't about the Porsche's though. They're great cars, very well prepared, and driven in the upper Midwest and in the Northeast. I'm just proposing for the SVRA *3CP* cars to be allowed a 7" rim. That's all. From billb at bnj.com Fri Jul 16 22:57:13 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 21:57:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> Message-ID: <758F174B-C2FD-41AC-98EF-121B5F53F6ED@bnj.com> I eat them for breakfast, but that's the benefit of having a special. On Jul 16, 2010, at 5:35 PM, Bob Adams wrote: > Wider track, 4 wheel disk brakes, better aero, 300lbs lighter, 4 wheel > independent suspension and a killer gear box set up. A really healthy TR can > run the best ones down the straightaways pretty good, and a really good > driver can outbrake them, but they come off the corners like a rocket ship. > A track with tight corners and long straightaways would suit the TR well, > but a track like Watkins Glen with a lot of fast sweepers, the TR is close, > but a tick behind. > > I'm willing to bet the Porshe 356's (the cars out of Skirmant's shop and > Ecurie Enterprises) over here are much more developed and better driven than > you guys have over there. Same with the MGB's (1850lbs and the best ones are > making around 190bhp on SU's). > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sat Jul 17 08:45:10 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 08:45:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FoT Wheels - Kastner Cup shirts. Message-ID: <1BA4B7C5-FFD2-42CE-99BA-67BA397E480B@earthlink.net> Here are the links for your viewing pleasure [Thanks Tony]. T-shirt front - http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/Picture%201.png Back - http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/KastnerBackUse.jpg Sizes S - XL are $12.50 ea. + $1.25 for 2X-5X 100% cotton. White tee only. Be sure to specify the size[s] with your payment. Payment via PayPal to: lunkercars at earthlink.net Send checks to: Lunkercars 323-K Claremont Ave NW Albuquerque NM If paying by check, please also send me a e-mail so I know the numbers. I would like to have this wrapped-up and the order in by Monday August 2nd. So get those orders commin' soon. There will likely NOT be any extras available at the track. No shipping is available at this time. Unless someone [who will be at the event to receive them] wants to volunteer to send them out. And don't get your knickers in a twist - "spoof" &/or "satire" are exempt from infringement laws and I'm pretty sure Sam doesn't mind. See ya' in Topeka, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From adams910 at gmail.com Sat Jul 17 11:45:49 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 13:45:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: <758F174B-C2FD-41AC-98EF-121B5F53F6ED@bnj.com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> <758F174B-C2FD-41AC-98EF-121B5F53F6ED@bnj.com> Message-ID: Sorry Bill, but looking at past results, Skirmants has about 1-3 seconds a lap on you everywhere. From billb at bnj.com Sat Jul 17 13:33:44 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 12:33:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> <758F174B-C2FD-41AC-98EF-121B5F53F6ED@bnj.com> Message-ID: He doesn't count. That thing is absurdly fast. On Jul 17, 2010, at 10:45 AM, Bob Adams wrote: > Sorry Bill, but looking at past results, Skirmants has about 1-3 seconds a lap on you everywhere. From gasket.works at gte.net Sat Jul 17 14:53:59 2010 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 20:53:59 +0000 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Message-ID: <2064089872-1279400037-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2034070041-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> That mutant 356 of skirmantz is just that. It may look like a bug but...... below that skin is a space/time warp. Not to take anything away from driving skill... But HP lives and in the end it wins. M ------Original Message------ From: Bill Babcock Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: Bob Adams Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Sent: Jul 17, 2010 12:33 PM He doesn't count. That thing is absurdly fast. On Jul 17, 2010, at 10:45 AM, Bob Adams wrote: > Sorry Bill, but looking at past results, Skirmants has about 1-3 seconds a lap on you everywhere. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jul 17 15:26:29 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:26:29 +0200 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> Message-ID: <000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com> Okay, these cars seem to be tuned up than the ones over here. I never had any trouble with 356 ones. MGBs in Europe do have about 170 hp, as they have to run 100 octane fuel. Same as my TR4. A TR6 do a lot more power. Maybe cars from England do have more power as the English cars are very fast each time they appear. Von: Bob Adams [mailto:adams910 at gmail.com] Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Juli 2010 02:35 An: MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Wider track, 4 wheel disk brakes, better aero, 300lbs lighter, 4 wheel independent suspension and a killer gear box set up. A really healthy TR can run the best ones down the straightaways pretty good, and a really good driver can outbrake them, but they come off the corners like a rocket ship. A track with tight corners and long straightaways would suit the TR well, but a track like Watkins Glen with a lot of fast sweepers, the TR is close, but a tick behind. I'm willing to bet the Porshe 356's (the cars out of Skirmant's shop and Ecurie Enterprises) over here are much more developed and better driven than you guys have over there. Same with the MGB's (1850lbs and the best ones are making around 190bhp on SU's). From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat Jul 17 16:02:30 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 15:02:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs In-Reply-To: <000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> <000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com> Message-ID: They run 4 wheel discs, they're super light and build hot engines. No tractor parts. Bill Dentinger, do you still have those cement 356 doorstops? ~Steve From adams910 at gmail.com Sat Jul 17 16:36:24 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:36:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: <2064089872-1279400037-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2034070041-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <2064089872-1279400037-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2034070041-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: It's not hp that's doing it for the fast 356's. We run against those guys regularly. It's all the in chassis. Which is why 7" rims will help the the TR4 in SVRA 3CP ;) ...... Just sayin... From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Sat Jul 17 17:40:02 2010 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 19:40:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rainex or wipers In-Reply-To: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> References: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CE@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Hi Amici, Its been awhile since I have been on the list. (in fact I see I am now 10,360 emails behind from the MG gang, FOT, and the lunatics in the Lotus Europa yahoo group that email every time they put an ounce of gas in the car. (hope I am not offending anyone :) )) The query of the day is: I am rebuilding a GT6 and am welding up holes all over the old girl. Now I have come to the wiper holes below the windscreen, and I wonder is it better to carry the weight of the wipers and motor or use Rainex and no wipers and no weight (and of course a nice clean deck look)? I also plan to use a lexan windscreen to help keep the weight off the front heavy nose too. Thank you for your thoughts Bill B 69 GT6+ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billbartlett at wingnutracing.com From susank at 141.com Sat Jul 17 18:18:40 2010 From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 20:18:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rainex or wipers In-Reply-To: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CE@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> References: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CE@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: <4C424860.9050900@141.com> Hi Bill! If this will be a street car and you decide on a glass windshield, I would say keep the wipers. There are situations where you are driving slowly in light rain, it may mist heavily or cars in front of you may throw up dirty water from the road where Rain-X will not work. You will be very happy for wipers, then. I do not know how Rain-X interacts with Lexan. It is made for glass, and I don't think it would work so well (it is designed to fill the "pores" in the glass with small molecules). Just my 47.7 cents (adjusted for inflation). Keep Triumphing, Susan :) On 7/17/2010 7:40 PM, Bill Bartlett wrote: > Hi Amici, > Its been awhile since I have been on the list. (in fact I see I am now 10,360 > emails behind from the MG gang, FOT, and the lunatics in the Lotus Europa > yahoo group that email every time they put an ounce of gas in the car. (hope > I am not offending anyone :) )) > The query of the day is: I am rebuilding a GT6 and am welding up holes all > over the old girl. Now I have come to the wiper holes below the windscreen, > and I wonder is it better to carry the weight of the wipers and motor or use > Rainex and no wipers and no weight (and of course a nice clean deck look)? > I also plan to use a lexan windscreen to help keep the weight off the front > heavy nose too. > Thank you for your thoughts > Bill B > 69 GT6+ > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billbartlett at wingnutracing.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.839 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3011 - Release Date: 07/17/10 02:35:00 > > -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sat Jul 17 18:19:50 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:19:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shirt up-date Message-ID: <1078C080-451A-4BEE-82F8-D272D9FAAF9E@earthlink.net> Barry Munson has stepped up to do shipping. We'll have a price Monday. I neglected to include my zip for checks - 87107 And yes, the shirts will be a high quality silk-screen, not a cheapo heat transfer. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sat Jul 17 18:47:26 2010 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 20:47:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Shirt up-date In-Reply-To: <1078C080-451A-4BEE-82F8-D272D9FAAF9E@earthlink.net> References: <1078C080-451A-4BEE-82F8-D272D9FAAF9E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I was hoping for shipping. I will definitely order one. I will wait till you get back with us with a price Chris Sent from my IPhone On Jul 17, 2010, at 8:19 PM, "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" wrote: > Barry Munson has stepped up to do shipping. We'll have a price Monday. > I neglected to include my zip for checks - 87107 > And yes, the shirts will be a high quality silk-screen, not a cheapo heat transfer. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 17 19:19:15 2010 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> <000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com> Message-ID: <304708.71153.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Keep in mind that Vic has had over 40 years to perfect those Porsches. I have pictures of him back in '69 and '70 at Waterford, and he was fast then. ________________________________ From: Steven Belfer To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 6:02:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs They run 4 wheel discs, they're super light and build hot engines. No tractor parts. Bill Dentinger, do you still have those cement 356 doorstops? ~Steve _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Sat Jul 17 19:52:07 2010 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:52:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rainex or wipers In-Reply-To: <4C424860.9050900@141.com> References: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CE@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> <4C424860.9050900@141.com> Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CF@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Hi Susan It is a race car; Group 3 SVRA. I will check on the lexan/rainex compatibility Thank you Bill -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Susan Kahler Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:19 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Rainex or wipers Hi Bill! If this will be a street car and you decide on a glass windshield, I would say keep the wipers. There are situations where you are driving slowly in light rain, it may mist heavily or cars in front of you may throw up dirty water from the road where Rain-X will not work. You will be very happy for wipers, then. I do not know how Rain-X interacts with Lexan. It is made for glass, and I don't think it would work so well (it is designed to fill the "pores" in the glass with small molecules). Just my 47.7 cents (adjusted for inflation). Keep Triumphing, Susan :) On 7/17/2010 7:40 PM, Bill Bartlett wrote: > Hi Amici, > Its been awhile since I have been on the list. (in fact I see I am now 10,360 > emails behind from the MG gang, FOT, and the lunatics in the Lotus Europa > yahoo group that email every time they put an ounce of gas in the car. (hope > I am not offending anyone :) )) > The query of the day is: I am rebuilding a GT6 and am welding up holes all > over the old girl. Now I have come to the wiper holes below the windscreen, > and I wonder is it better to carry the weight of the wipers and motor or use > Rainex and no wipers and no weight (and of course a nice clean deck look)? > I also plan to use a lexan windscreen to help keep the weight off the front > heavy nose too. > Thank you for your thoughts > Bill B > 69 GT6+ > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billbartlett at wingnutracing.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.839 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3011 - Release Date: 07/17/10 02:35:00 > > -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billbartlett at wingnutracing.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sat Jul 17 20:58:49 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg Lunker Hilyer) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 20:58:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Rainex or wipers In-Reply-To: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CF@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> References: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CE@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> <4C424860.9050900@141.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CF@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: Rain-X rocks. I use it on everything,,, windscreen, visor and even my eye glasses in the extreme [Rain-X "Fog-X" is also great]. Compatible with all. If you want to use Lexan and wipers make sure you get the new scratch resistant stuff - it will actually deal with wipers much better than the original. When covering things like the wiper holes I always ask myself "would anyone want to ever put this car back on the street again?" Why not get rid of the hardware and just put rubber plugs in the holes. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jul 17, 2010, at 7:52 PM, Bill Bartlett wrote: > Hi Susan > It is a race car; Group 3 SVRA. I will check on the lexan/rainex > compatibility > Thank you > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Susan Kahler > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:19 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Rainex or wipers > > Hi Bill! > > If this will be a street car and you decide on a glass windshield, I > would say keep the wipers. There are situations where you are driving > slowly in light rain, it may mist heavily or cars in front of you may > throw up dirty water from the road where Rain-X will not work. You > will > be very happy for wipers, then. > > I do not know how Rain-X interacts with Lexan. It is made for > glass, and > I don't think it would work so well (it is designed to fill the > "pores" > in the glass with small molecules). > > Just my 47.7 cents (adjusted for inflation). > > Keep Triumphing, > Susan :) > > > On 7/17/2010 7:40 PM, Bill Bartlett wrote: >> Hi Amici, >> Its been awhile since I have been on the list. (in fact I see I am >> now > 10,360 >> emails behind from the MG gang, FOT, and the lunatics in the Lotus >> Europa >> yahoo group that email every time they put an ounce of gas in the >> car. > (hope >> I am not offending anyone :) )) >> The query of the day is: I am rebuilding a GT6 and am welding up >> holes all >> over the old girl. Now I have come to the wiper holes below the > windscreen, >> and I wonder is it better to carry the weight of the wipers and >> motor or > use >> Rainex and no wipers and no weight (and of course a nice clean >> deck look)? >> I also plan to use a lexan windscreen to help keep the weight off >> the front >> heavy nose too. >> Thank you for your thoughts >> Bill B >> 69 GT6+ >> >> >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> billbartlett at wingnutracing.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> spitfiresuz at 141.com >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.839 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3011 - Release Date: >> 07/17/10 > 02:35:00 >> >> > > -- > I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > billbartlett at wingnutracing.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From adams910 at gmail.com Sat Jul 17 21:40:47 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:40:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs In-Reply-To: <304708.71153.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> <000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com> <304708.71153.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There are no complaints about Vic's efforts and driving ability, as they are top notch. His history speaks for itself. He's the Group 3 bench mark, so his times are what everyone should shoot for. Just looking to get the TR's that compete in the same class just a little something more to help level the playing field just a little bit. From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Jul 18 11:08:59 2010 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:08:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs In-Reply-To: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com><1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41><000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com><000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com><304708.71153.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com><1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41><000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com><000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com><304708.71153.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Leveling the playing field" is what SCCA has tried to do for years in the "production" classes. We all can pretty much see the mess that has become. Not every car type can be competitive. It's just a simple fact. Nor can there be a class for every make, so that they can all be winners. The Porsche 356 is a very sophisticated car compared to our British locomotives. But then, they did cost twice as much when new. And they are not perfect by any means. They are fairly RPM limited (about 5800 according to Vic) because of their weak cranks and fragile engine cases. Also, they are tricky to drive on the limit because of their rear engine/swing axle rear suspension set up. They take a masterful set up, and a delicate hand to go fast in. Going fast on the track, no matter the car, is an alchemy of the driver and the builder playing to the strengths of the design that they have, and minimizing as much as possible the weaknesses of that design, within the grey edges of the rule book. We all play by the same rules. Some cars are just better platforms than others. It has always been this way and always will. Too much rules tweaking to gain advantage will lead to the death of the sport. It has very nearly killed SCCA production car racing. Remember folks, we are not racing for a National Championship in vintage racing. All we get is the satisfaction of competing, and if we are lucky, and have prepared well, a pot metal car on a stick at the end of the weekend. It's about being here. That is the true reward. Terry Stetler From adams910 at gmail.com Sun Jul 18 13:32:51 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:32:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> <000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com> <304708.71153.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I do agree, but I'm talking about a change that will effect the 3CP cars only. I only think there are two or three TR4's in that class as everyone else is running 3DP. This has nothing to do with those cars. As far as I know, putting webers on a a TR4 produces a class of car that was never in production racing, it was however in D-Modified, where I'm sure the rules were a little more liberal (wider wheels and minimum weight rules? I hope Kas chimes in). So now my questions becomes, can we prepare to the D-Modified rule set and still be eligible for 3CP? For the "in the spirit" folk, it' would be closer to fact than bolting webers on a DP car and calling it a "CP" car. "Remember folks, we are not racing for a National Championship in vintage racing. All we get is the satisfaction of competing, and if we are lucky, and have prepared well, a pot metal car on a stick at the end of the weekend." It is however still racing. If no one thinks the front runners aren't testing, constantly tweaking, showing up with the best cars within the rule set, and driving them at 10/10's, then they are mistaken. . A lot of those guys were front runners in SCCA and IMSA, and that's the ONLY way they know how to go racing. Just like playing games in gym class... somebody has to win. From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Sun Jul 18 13:54:59 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:54:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> <000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com> <304708.71153.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I sent a message last year stating that Kas had given me a copy of the homologation papers for the TR4 and that I could send PDF copies to anyone that wanted them. They state that 45 DCOE Webers are homologated for use in the USA. On Jul 18, 2010 3:48 PM, "Bob Adams" wrote: I do agree, but I'm talking about a change that will effect the 3CP cars only. I only think there are two or three TR4's in that class as everyone else is running 3DP. This has nothing to do with those cars. As far as I know, putting webers on a a TR4 produces a class of car that was never in production racing, it was however in D-Modified, where I'm sure the rules were a little more liberal (wider wheels and minimum weight rules? I hope Kas chimes in). So now my questions becomes, can we prepare to the D-Modified rule set and still be eligible for 3CP? For the "in the spirit" folk, it' would be closer to fact than bolting webers on a DP car and calling it a "CP" car. "Remember folks, we are not racing for a National Championship in vintage racing. All we get is the... It is however still racing. If no one thinks the front runners aren't testing, constantly tweaking, showing up with the best cars within the rule set, and driving them at 10/10's, then they are mistaken. . A lot of those guys were front runners in SCCA and IMSA, and that's the ONLY way they know how to go racing. Just like playing games in gym class... somebody has to win. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donat... From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 18 14:04:27 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 22:04:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com><1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41><000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com><000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com><304708.71153.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000a01cb26b4$6e4e11d0$4aea3570$@com> I'm running in the Triumph Competition. The Triumph Competition is free for British Sports cars and maybe touring cars too. We have our own rules besides the Fia historic rules. We are allowed to be 10% lighter for the <3.0 liter cars than the homologation say. The >3.0 liter cars have to maintain their stock carburetion system. With these rules we equalize most of the cars to have close racing. To keep cost low we are allowed to run plastic body parts as long they look like stock. We can run 5" more track width. Brakes has to be stock with exception for the TR7/8 cars which have dangerous small brakes. We are allowed to run DOT tires up to 205/60-15 width. We normally don't deal with Porsche cars and other not British cars, but there are big races were we are part from and then we are racing against Porsche, BMW, and what else is on the track. A 356 never was any fast enough to pass me....but maybe there are different 356 models and the cars I meet are of the slower ones. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Terry Stetler Gesendet: Sonntag, 18. Juli 2010 19:09 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs "Leveling the playing field" is what SCCA has tried to do for years in the "production" classes. We all can pretty much see the mess that has become. Not every car type can be competitive. It's just a simple fact. Nor can there be a class for every make, so that they can all be winners. The Porsche 356 is a very sophisticated car compared to our British locomotives. But then, they did cost twice as much when new. And they are not perfect by any means. They are fairly RPM limited (about 5800 according to Vic) because of their weak cranks and fragile engine cases. Also, they are tricky to drive on the limit because of their rear engine/swing axle rear suspension set up. They take a masterful set up, and a delicate hand to go fast in. Going fast on the track, no matter the car, is an alchemy of the driver and the builder playing to the strengths of the design that they have, and minimizing as much as possible the weaknesses of that design, within the grey edges of the rule book. We all play by the same rules. Some cars are just better platforms than others. It has always been this way and always will. Too much rules tweaking to gain advantage will lead to the death of the sport. It has very nearly killed SCCA production car racing. Remember folks, we are not racing for a National Championship in vintage racing. All we get is the satisfaction of competing, and if we are lucky, and have prepared well, a pot metal car on a stick at the end of the weekend. It's about being here. That is the true reward. Terry Stetler _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jul 19 08:33:22 2010 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 09:33:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing Message-ID: Greetings All. I Took my new GT6 Racecar out for the first time this weekend. It was the cars first racing outing in 15 years. I had fellow FOT member Scott Barr as my instructor which was totally awesome. between him, my dad and John Reed... my crew of three had over 50 years of GT6 racing experience behind them and it really showed. We took a car that had not seen a track in 15 years and were right there racing with porches, Miatas and ahead many very fast cars. We made all but one of the 8 sessions of a very intense MCSCC Drivers School and completed 49 high speed laps. In one day of racing we overcame a water leak, brake replacement, oil leak, a throttle peddle stuck behind the tunnel cover, and normal race prep. On the last session the rear end got so hot it melted all the bushings that hold it in place... the bushings were actually liquefied and dripping to the ground when I got back to the paddock... which prevented us from racing again on Sunday. I'll be replacing the rear end tonight so we can go racing this weekend at Grattan. I don't post much but FOT list and archive has been a very valuable resource in getting this car back on the track... Thanks to ALL of FOT for being there with you knowledge and insight. This weekend was a big victory for me and FOT. We are on the road to the Kastner Cup. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+ From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Jul 19 08:43:20 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:43:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing Message-ID: <9a22a.5bae3773.3975be88@aol.com> Awesome news Jason! Congrats! Replace all that rubber with aluminum when putting the new diff in... From jerrybarr at charter.net Mon Jul 19 08:45:59 2010 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 09:45:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am looking forward to racing with you at Midwestern Council events and maybe some VSCDA events too. It will be great having another GT6 out there. Jerry Barr #59 Red 1968 GT6 On Jul 19, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Greetings All. > I Took my new GT6 Racecar out for the first time this weekend. It was the > cars first racing outing in 15 years. I had fellow FOT member Scott Barr as > my instructor which was totally awesome. between him, my dad and John > Reed... my crew of three had over 50 years of GT6 racing experience behind > them and it really showed. We took a car that had not seen a track in 15 > years and were right there racing with porches, Miatas and ahead many very > fast cars. We made all but one of the 8 sessions of a very intense MCSCC > Drivers School and completed 49 high speed laps. In one day of racing > we overcame a water leak, brake replacement, oil leak, a throttle > peddle stuck behind the tunnel cover, and normal race prep. On the last > session the rear end got so hot it melted all the bushings that hold it in > place... the bushings were actually liquefied and dripping to the ground > when I got back to the paddock... which prevented us from racing again on > Sunday. I'll be replacing the rear end tonight so we can go racing this > weekend at Grattan. I don't post much but FOT list and archive has been a > very valuable resource in getting this car back on the track... Thanks to > ALL of FOT for being there with you knowledge and insight. This weekend was > a big victory for me and FOT. We are on the road to the Kastner Cup. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 19 09:01:37 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:01:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA Message-ID: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> FOT, Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! FOT at Leguna Seca? If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would you RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with negotiations. YES or NO is all the answer we need. Storied Track with great history. Non-Festival event with track time. Good time of the year for a lot of folks. Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jul 19 09:02:35 2010 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:02:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FCE5@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> It should be said that Jason did a great job in the school. It's a very high pressure, busy day and he hung in there, completing a very high percentage of the laps even with a car that was having a few teething problems. And he's pretty fast, too, right out of the box :-) He was out there ahead of some cars which should have been quite a lot faster. But then, that's the heritage of Team Zippy. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 9:33 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing Greetings All. I Took my new GT6 Racecar out for the first time this weekend. It was the cars first racing outing in 15 years. I had fellow FOT member Scott Barr as my instructor which was totally awesome. between him, my dad and John Reed... my crew of three had over 50 years of GT6 racing experience behind them and it really showed. We took a car that had not seen a track in 15 years and were right there racing with porches, Miatas and ahead many very fast cars. We made all but one of the 8 sessions of a very intense MCSCC Drivers School and completed 49 high speed laps. In one day of racing we overcame a water leak, brake replacement, oil leak, a throttle peddle stuck behind the tunnel cover, and normal race prep. On the last session the rear end got so hot it melted all the bushings that hold it in place... the bushings were actually liquefied and dripping to the ground when I got back to the paddock... which prevented us from racing again on Sunday. I'll be replacing the rear end tonight so we can go racing this weekend at Grattan. I don't post much but FOT list and archive has been a very valuable resource in getting this car back on the track... Thanks to ALL of FOT for being there with you knowledge and insight. This weekend was a big victory for me and FOT. We are on the road to the Kastner Cup. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From billb at bnj.com Mon Jul 19 09:20:00 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:20:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9D37D444-F949-4510-9204-222D9537F20E@bnj.com> Absolutely. Yes. On Jul 19, 2010, at 8:01 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT, > > Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! > > FOT at Leguna Seca? > > If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would you > > RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? > > If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with > negotiations. > > YES or NO is all the answer we need. > > Storied Track with great history. > Non-Festival event with track time. > Good time of the year for a lot of folks. > Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Jul 19 09:19:51 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:19:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing Message-ID: <6f11c.66e7f7e8.3975c717@aol.com> In a message dated 07/19/2010 10:16:38 AM Central Daylight Time, sbarr at McCarty-Law.com writes: > But then, > that's the heritage of Team Zippy. > I can bare witness to that! TEAM ZIPPY go fast! Bill Dentinger From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jul 19 09:28:23 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:28:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA References: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I would go...Racer Bud..spitfire #21 > FOT, > > Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! > > FOT at Leguna Seca? > > If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would > you > > RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? > > If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with > negotiations. > > YES or NO is all the answer we need. > > Storied Track with great history. > Non-Festival event with track time. > Good time of the year for a lot of folks. > Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Jul 19 09:31:53 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:31:53 EDT Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA Message-ID: <7e0e1.4d4e2a69.3975c9e9@aol.com> Yes if they let us. I understand their rules are rather restrictive From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Jul 19 10:13:58 2010 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:13:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000801cb275d$65afc150$310f43f0$@com> Congratulations Jason! Having built our TR4 I know how much work you had to do! And, what a great help and resource the FOT is. Also, kudos on the MCSCC driving school completion. I did that one also, and it is intense!! Way to go:) Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 9:33 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing Greetings All. I Took my new GT6 Racecar out for the first time this weekend. It was the cars first racing outing in 15 years. I had fellow FOT member Scott Barr as my instructor which was totally awesome. between him, my dad and John Reed... my crew of three had over 50 years of GT6 racing experience behind them and it really showed. We took a car that had not seen a track in 15 years and were right there racing with porches, Miatas and ahead many very fast cars. We made all but one of the 8 sessions of a very intense MCSCC Drivers School and completed 49 high speed laps. In one day of racing we overcame a water leak, brake replacement, oil leak, a throttle peddle stuck behind the tunnel cover, and normal race prep. On the last session the rear end got so hot it melted all the bushings that hold it in place... the bushings were actually liquefied and dripping to the ground when I got back to the paddock... which prevented us from racing again on Sunday. I'll be replacing the rear end tonight so we can go racing this weekend at Grattan. I don't post much but FOT list and archive has been a very valuable resource in getting this car back on the track... Thanks to ALL of FOT for being there with you knowledge and insight. This weekend was a big victory for me and FOT. We are on the road to the Kastner Cup. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jul 19 10:34:15 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:34:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20100719163334.B9F1318788B@autox.team.net> I would probably go - it's my best chance to do Laguna, and that's on my bucket list. I'm curious about the noise regs (I understand they're restrictive, and my car bumps 105 db), and of course the car prep rules. - Tony Drews At 10:01 AM 7/19/2010, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >FOT, > >Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! > >FOT at Leguna Seca? > >If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would you > >RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? > >If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with >negotiations. > >YES or NO is all the answer we need. > >Storied Track with great history. >Non-Festival event with track time. >Good time of the year for a lot of folks. >Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From mlbruner53 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 19 10:42:20 2010 From: mlbruner53 at yahoo.com (Michael Bruner) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 09:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <225117.34634.qm@web54106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yes, if they let our VARA cars run. Mike Bruner TR4A - #612 Blacksmith Racing --- On Mon, 7/19/10, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: From: n197tr4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 8:01 AM FOT, Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! FOT at Leguna Seca? If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would you RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with negotiations. YES or NO is all the answer we need. Storied Track with great history. Non-Festival event with track time. Good time of the year for a lot of folks. Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlbruner53 at yahoo.com From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Mon Jul 19 11:43:10 2010 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA Message-ID: <17301267.1279561390883.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I could bring 3 of my own Spitfire race cars. We were there 2 weeks ago sound was a problem for one of my cars. It,s hard to get below 92 DBs Joe -----Original Message----- >From: n197tr4 at cs.com >Sent: Jul 19, 2010 8:01 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA > >FOT, > >Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! > >FOT at Leguna Seca? > >If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would you > >RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? > >If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with >negotiations. > >YES or NO is all the answer we need. > >Storied Track with great history. >Non-Festival event with track time. >Good time of the year for a lot of folks. >Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsiam1 at earthlink.net > > Chequered Flag Racing .net Joseph P. Siam 9833 Deering Ave unit I Chatsworth Ca 91311 818 350 6222 From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Mon Jul 19 11:54:47 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:54:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: <17301267.1279561390883.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <17301267.1279561390883.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: This would be an unrestricted sound event. On Jul 19, 2010 1:48 PM, "Joseph Siam" wrote: I could bring 3 of my own Spitfire race cars. We were there 2 weeks ago sound was a problem for one of my cars. It,s hard to get below 92 DBs Joe -----Original Message----- >From: n197tr4 at cs.com >Sent: Jul 19, 2010 8:01 AM >To: fot at autox.team.n... >FOT, > >Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! > >FOT at Leguna Seca? > >If you could plan ... >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsiam1 at earthlink.net > > Chequered Flag Racing .net Joseph P. Siam 9833 Deering Ave unit I Chatsworth Ca 91311 818 350 6222 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donat... From bownes at seiri.com Mon Jul 19 11:56:39 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:56:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: <17301267.1279561390883.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <17301267.1279561390883.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Oooh! Can I drive one? ;) Laguna would be my 1st west coast choice. On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Joseph Siam wrote: > I could bring 3 of my own Spitfire race cars. We were there 2 weeks ago > sound was a problem for one of my cars. It,s hard to get below 92 DBs Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: n197tr4 at cs.com > >Sent: Jul 19, 2010 8:01 AM > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA > > > >FOT, > > > >Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! > > > >FOT at Leguna Seca? > > > >If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would > you > > > >RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? > > > >If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with > >negotiations. > > > >YES or NO is all the answer we need. > > > >Storied Track with great history. > >Non-Festival event with track time. > >Good time of the year for a lot of folks. > >Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsiam1 at earthlink.net > > > > > > > Chequered Flag Racing .net > Joseph P. Siam > 9833 Deering Ave unit I > Chatsworth Ca 91311 > 818 350 6222 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From markvaden at gmail.com Mon Jul 19 12:47:00 2010 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:47:00 -1000 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: References: <17301267.1279561390883.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <84FF96E5-019B-4EF1-BBB5-112F61B44C0F@gmail.com> Yes if they will let my car run. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2010, at 7:54 AM, John Nikas wrote: > This would be an unrestricted sound event. > > On Jul 19, 2010 1:48 PM, "Joseph Siam" wrote: > > I could bring 3 of my own Spitfire race cars. We were there 2 weeks ago > sound was a problem for one of my cars. It,s hard to get below 92 DBs Joe > > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >> Sent: Jul 19, 2010 8:01 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.n... > >> FOT, >> >> Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! >> >> FOT at Leguna Seca? >> >> If you could plan ... >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsiam1 at earthlink.net >> >> > > > Chequered Flag Racing .net > Joseph P. Siam > 9833 Deering Ave unit I > Chatsworth Ca 91311 > 818 350 6222 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donat... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/markvaden at gmail.com From mlcooknj at msn.com Mon Jul 19 15:37:34 2010 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:37:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2012 In-Reply-To: <1216.189.154.17.161.1279245792.squirrel@189.154.17.161> References: <1216.189.154.17.161.1279245792.squirrel@189.154.17.161> Message-ID: It's entirely possible that Triumphs were raced at private circuits like Briarcliff Manor, etc., before WWII. I don't have any definite info on that. I will also look in my TSOA newsletter archives. I know for a fact that TR2s were being raced in 1954/55 in SCCA events at places like Akron and Lockbourne AFB in Ohio because I was there. Jarrard Distributors in Pensacola ran TRs at Sebring in 56, I believe and there were official teams in '57 and later. On the west coast, Cal Sales started sponsoring race entries very early in their distributorship. I remember Alan Bethell (president of Triumph over here in the late 50s and early 60s) telling me about running a couple of races out west when he was still the regional sales rep which would have been 1954-55. Mike Cook > Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 21:03:12 -0500 > From: jgambony at gcecisp.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2012 > > For 2012 I'll pose the question to the historians on the list (I'm away > from my reference library for the week)... > > Where was the first race for a Standard-Triumph in the US? > > Just a thought. > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > > > FOT list > > Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in this > madness. > > Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. > > Infineon & Mosport > > But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning body > have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. > > Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are other > obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. > > Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted area > for the next Kastner Cup. > > Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the 2012 > Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in Competition. > > As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be addressed > because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that one off. You dont > think so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an > answer. > They want to make it a big and memorable event. > > THANK YOU VERY MUCH. > > Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on > this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE > > Joe A > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From EDENMA at aol.com Mon Jul 19 18:42:24 2010 From: EDENMA at aol.com (EDENMA at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 20:42:24 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 Carrillo Rod Needed Message-ID: Amici: Due to an unfortunate engine failure at our first outing this year, I find myself in need of one or more serviceable TR4 Carrillo rods in order to get the engine back together in time for Topeka. Anyone who may have one or more sitting in their stash, please contact me off list. Cheers! Mark 62 DP TR4 #357 64 GP Spitfire #42 From koblinger at verizon.net Mon Jul 19 21:10:25 2010 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 20:10:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2012 In-Reply-To: References: <1216.189.154.17.161.1279245792.squirrel@189.154.17.161> Message-ID: <4C4513A1.2050002@verizon.net> I'm pretty sure the first TR2s showed up at West Coast races in the spring of '54. I'll have to have a look through my old programs to see if I can pin it down. There were TR2s in the US in late '53 so it's possible one competed in late '53. Kurt O. michael cook wrote: > It's entirely possible that Triumphs were raced at private circuits like > Briarcliff Manor, etc., before WWII. I don't have any definite info on that. I > will also look in my TSOA newsletter archives. > > > > I know for a fact that TR2s were being raced in 1954/55 in SCCA events at > places like Akron and Lockbourne AFB in Ohio because I was there. Jarrard > Distributors in Pensacola ran TRs at Sebring in 56, I believe and there were > official teams in '57 and later. > > > > On the west coast, Cal Sales started sponsoring race entries very early in > their distributorship. I remember Alan Bethell (president of Triumph over here > in the late 50s and early 60s) telling me about running a couple of races out > west when he was still the regional sales rep which would have been 1954-55. > > > > Mike Cook > > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 21:03:12 -0500 >> From: jgambony at gcecisp.com >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2012 >> >> For 2012 I'll pose the question to the historians on the list (I'm away >> from my reference library for the week)... >> >> Where was the first race for a Standard-Triumph in the US? >> >> Just a thought. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Jim >> Dallas >> >> >> >> FOT list >> >> Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in this >> madness. >> >> Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. >> >> Infineon & Mosport >> >> But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning body >> have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. >> >> Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are other >> obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. >> >> Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted area >> for the next Kastner Cup. >> >> Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the 2012 >> Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in Competition. >> >> As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be addressed >> because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that one off. You dont >> think so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an >> answer. >> They want to make it a big and memorable event. >> >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> >> Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on >> this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE >> >> Joe A >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/koblinger at verizon.net > > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15460) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Mon Jul 19 21:30:54 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 20:30:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: To all: Joe tells me that the voice of the people support doing the next Kastner Cup at Laguna Seca in June. I'll continue my discussions with Cris Vandagriff and firm up the details. Apparently, not all the events at Laguna Seca are sound controlled and this is not one of them. As further news becomes available either Joe or I will let you know. We will discuss this further at Kansas I'm sure. On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 8:01 AM, wrote: > FOT, > > Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! > > FOT at Leguna Seca? > > If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would > you > > RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? > > If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with > negotiations. > > YES or NO is all the answer we need. > > Storied Track with great history. > Non-Festival event with track time. > Good time of the year for a lot of folks. > Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 19 21:29:39 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:29:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park ENTRIES Guests and T-SHIRTS, AND MORE Message-ID: <8CCF5D2EB6A8C90-D88-62AF@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Entries are piling in according to reports. I am pleased to announce that the TRIUMPHS are holding up their end with entries. With so many special activities going on, it would make sense for the FOT members to join us for the joy of it, even though you may not be racing. Several ARE coming. It's really about ALL of us. We are front row center this weekend. You Triumph guys will be the stars. And VTR will be well represented with President Blake Discher and other members. BTW, Greg Hilyer has done a great job of honoring Sam Halkias' Champ Car and the FOT with a T-SHIRT. This one is a keeper and can be signed by Kas and Sam. Get yours....... You can also get your picture taken with the semi-famous bagpiper Dave Massey........................................ Joe A From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jul 19 21:40:17 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:40:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2012 In-Reply-To: References: <1216.189.154.17.161.1279245792.squirrel@189.154.17.161> Message-ID: <4C451AA1.2060807@bradakis.com> michael cook wrote: > > I know for a fact that TR2s were being raced in 1954/55 in SCCA events at > places like Akron and Lockbourne AFB in Ohio because I was there. Jarrard > Distributors in Pensacola ran TRs at Sebring in 56, I believe and there were > official teams in '57 and later. > > I'm just guessing here, I was born in '54 so have no first hand experience. I wouldn't be surprised if there was one TR2, maybe more, running at Airport #2 here in Salt Lake back in the days when Kas was roaring around the track in his MG. Back when I was the Road Race Director for the Utah Region and a significant anniversary date was coming up I starting checking into running a race again at Airport #2 - Fat Chance! I think even an act of Congress would not be sufficient to get a sports car race there again. So it goes. mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 19 21:41:52 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:41:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CCF5D4A08569F0-D88-6417@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> OUTSTANDING! Thanks John. I think we can do well by HMSA and they by us. We should represent a great draw at the gate with the west coast Triumph organizations, too. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: John Nikas To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA To all: Joe tells me that the voice of the people support doing the next Kastner Cup at Laguna Seca in June. I'll continue my discussions with Cris Vandagriff and firm up the details. Apparently, not all the events at Laguna Seca are sound controlled and this is not one of them. As further news becomes available either Joe or I will let you know. We will discuss this further at Kansas I'm sure. On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 8:01 AM, wrote: FOT, Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! FOT at Leguna Seca? If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would you RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with negotiations. YES or NO is all the answer we need. Storied Track with great history. Non-Festival event with track time. Good time of the year for a lot of folks. Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Jul 20 05:11:21 2010 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 07:11:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rainex or wipers References: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CE@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> <4C424860.9050900@141.com> Message-ID: <001201cb27fc$49984970$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all, I use something called Plexus. It's a plastic cleaner and sealer. Works great on my windshield too. I used it at work on Isolettes, where Preemies are cared for. Just ventilate the area well when done and don't inhale the fumes. The windshield washer solvent with Rainex works great too; I usually don't use my wipers in the rain after using it. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Rainex or wipers > Hi Bill! > > If this will be a street car and you decide on a glass windshield, I > would say keep the wipers. There are situations where you are driving > slowly in light rain, it may mist heavily or cars in front of you may > throw up dirty water from the road where Rain-X will not work. You will > be very happy for wipers, then. > > I do not know how Rain-X interacts with Lexan. It is made for glass, and > I don't think it would work so well (it is designed to fill the "pores" > in the glass with small molecules). > > Just my 47.7 cents (adjusted for inflation). > > Keep Triumphing, > Susan :) > > > On 7/17/2010 7:40 PM, Bill Bartlett wrote: > > Hi Amici, > > Its been awhile since I have been on the list. (in fact I see I am now 10,360 > > emails behind from the MG gang, FOT, and the lunatics in the Lotus Europa > > yahoo group that email every time they put an ounce of gas in the car. (hope > > I am not offending anyone :) )) > > The query of the day is: I am rebuilding a GT6 and am welding up holes all > > over the old girl. Now I have come to the wiper holes below the windscreen, > > and I wonder is it better to carry the weight of the wipers and motor or use > > Rainex and no wipers and no weight (and of course a nice clean deck look)? > > I also plan to use a lexan windscreen to help keep the weight off the front > > heavy nose too. > > Thank you for your thoughts > > Bill B > > 69 GT6+ > > > > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billbartlett at wingnutracing.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.839 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3011 - Release Date: 07/17/10 02:35:00 > > > > > > -- > I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin3 at verizon.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 20 06:47:32 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 08:47:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSES IN RECENT POLLING-A SUMMARY Message-ID: <8CCF620DB31F3DC-D88-9646@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Thanks! A lot of information has been gathered. Everyone's response counts. Kastner Cup 2010 HEARTLAND PARK I think we have established that 'east' and 'west' are relative terms. And that the Central States deserve to be represented. We are bringing several first timerTRIUMPH RACERS and Friends together for the Kastner Cup...and we should. And WE are the race, not just another support group to a big festival event. Kastner Cup 2011 Laguna Seca ?? Laguna Seca (HMSA) is clearly a popular choice and John Nikas has a great deal of encouragement and support. While not cast in stone, it appears very promising. There are still a couple of other choices out there, both in the west. Kastner Cup 2012 60th Anniverary of Triumphs in Competition 'EAST' ? The information collected in the 'polls' will be used to help make a selection of the ideal site for this important event. Planning is already underway. Make no mistake, this will be a big one. We should have some proposals on the table by September. Thanks, once again..... Joe A From fpspitfire at comcast.net Tue Jul 20 07:31:37 2010 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:31:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Rainex or wipers In-Reply-To: <001201cb27fc$49984970$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <737656194.268729.1279632697256.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> All, Extended use of Rain-X will cause problems with lexan...noteably it does attack the micropores and will eventually you will get little dots all over the surface where it opens them up.B RainX does not recommend their product for use with polycarbonates. As for fog...use dish soap, works amazing and no harmul effects. aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" To: "Susan Kahler" , fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 6:11:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Rainex or wipers B B Hi all, I use something called Plexus. It's a plastic cleaner and sealer. Works great on my windshield too. B B I used it at work on Isolettes, where Preemies are cared for. Just ventilate the area well when done B and don't inhale the fumes. B B The windshield washer solvent with Rainex works great too; I usually don't use my wipers in the rain after using it. B B Bill ----- Original Message ----- B B From: "Susan Kahler" B B To: B B Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:18 PM B B Subject: Re: [Fot] Rainex or wipers B B > Hi Bill! B B > B B > If this will be a street car and you decide on a glass windshield, I B B > would say keep the wipers. There are situations where you are driving B B > slowly in light rain, it may mist heavily or cars in front of you may B B > throw up dirty water from the road where Rain-X will not work. You will B B > be very happy for wipers, then. B B > B B > I do not know how Rain-X interacts with Lexan. It is made for glass, and B B > I don't think it would work so well (it is designed to fill the "pores" B B > in the glass with small molecules). B B > B B > Just my 47.7 cents (adjusted for inflation). B B > B B > Keep Triumphing, B B > Susan B B :) B B > From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Tue Jul 20 13:14:14 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:14:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T-shirt & shipping Message-ID: <0F7B5166-4DDD-42F3-8803-3C739753F4BE@earthlink.net> Hello all, Shipping for the event shirts will be $3.50. That makes S-XL $16 and 2X-5X $17.25 or pick them up at the track. Shirt front: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/Picture%201.png Shirt back: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/KastnerBackUse.jpg Sizes S - XL are $12.50 ea. + $1.25 for 2X-5X Full color silk screen on a100% cotton white tee. Be sure to specify the size[s] with your payment. Payment via PayPal to: lunkercars at earthlink.net Send checks to: Lunkercars 323-K Claremont Ave NW Albuquerque NM 87107 If paying by check, please also send me a e-mail so I know the numbers. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Jul 20 16:20:57 2010 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 22:20:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Message-ID: <1594066114.174429.1279664457053.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> For anyone who wants a look at the Laguna Seca racetrack configuration from a riders point of view, watch the MotoGP this weekend (July 25). It'll be broadcast on SpeedTV on Sunday at 2:00pm (Pacific Time). Obviously you won't want to duplicate the lean angles these riders obtain but the on-camera views will be something. Gary From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Tue Jul 20 17:35:54 2010 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:35:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates Message-ID: <412213670D9F44CEB4F3371D0EDA04AD@userb38463fba5> List, what is the collective wisdom on using the 2 locking plates when assembling a TR 4 flywheel to the crank? Use them or use Locktite instead of them. Both? A warm street engine. Thanks, JVV From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 20 20:30:31 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 22:30:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CCF693D30130C7-1248-12E85@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> This is terrific! See you in Topeka. -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jul 19, 2010 9:33 am Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing Greetings All. Took my new GT6 Racecar out for the first time this weekend. It was the ars first racing outing in 15 years. I had fellow FOT member Scott Barr as y instructor which was totally awesome. between him, my dad and John eed... my crew of three had over 50 years of GT6 racing experience behind hem and it really showed. We took a car that had not seen a track in 15 ears and were right there racing with porches, Miatas and ahead many very ast cars. We made all but one of the 8 sessions of a very intense MCSCC rivers School and completed 49 high speed laps. In one day of racing e overcame a water leak, brake replacement, oil leak, a throttle eddle stuck behind the tunnel cover, and normal race prep. On the last ession the rear end got so hot it melted all the bushings that hold it in lace... the bushings were actually liquefied and dripping to the ground hen I got back to the paddock... which prevented us from racing again on unday. I'll be replacing the rear end tonight so we can go racing this eekend at Grattan. I don't post much but FOT list and archive has been a ery valuable resource in getting this car back on the track... Thanks to LL of FOT for being there with you knowledge and insight. This weekend was big victory for me and FOT. We are on the road to the Kastner Cup. Jason Ostrowski riendly Ghost Racing GT6+ ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jul 20 22:49:39 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:49:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <412213670D9F44CEB4F3371D0EDA04AD@userb38463fba5> References: <412213670D9F44CEB4F3371D0EDA04AD@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: <20100721044859.8251518764A@autox.team.net> Ditch the plates and just use locktite. Make sure the bolts don't interfere with the block since they won't have the thickness of the plates under them. ARP bolts for an MGB will work nicely in our flywheels, but you have to grind a little off the end or they interfere with the aluminum seal housing. The plates aren't very hard steel and can cause more problems than they solve. - Tony Drews At 06:35 PM 7/20/2010, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: >List, what is the collective wisdom on using the 2 locking plates when >assembling a TR 4 flywheel to the crank? Use them or use Locktite instead of >them. Both? > >A warm street engine. > >Thanks, > >JVV >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed Jul 21 02:14:53 2010 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 01:14:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Jerry Van Vlack" Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > Lock tabs are made of soft material. The steel of the lock tab can and > sometimes will compress where it is squeezed between the bolt head and the > fly wheel. The clamping tension of the bolt on the flywheel is then > reduced. The effect is as if the bolt had loosened, without it having done > so. This occurred on my own Morgan, with a TR-4 engine, when the car was > about 16,000 miles from new. It manifested itself as a rattle when the > engine was gently revved from idle. The noise sounded like it was coming > from within the timing cover, but it was noise transferring down the > crankshaft from the rear of the engine. The bolt were found to be "loose". > They were not stretched and the lock tabs were still bent over and locking > the bolt heads. Since then, (1966) I have used high strength loctite and > no washer on an iron flywheel or metric "wave washer" style lock washers, > which are hardened steel, on alloy flywheels. On high performance engines > we use bolts that are harder and higher strength than the original "auto" > bolts. The best standard bolts were labled "BEES" on the head. We have > only had one "tractor motor" flywheel ever come loose since, and it was > full race engine. The driver had been revinig the engine to near 8,000 > rpm coming down the switchbacks on the backside of the Pittsburg Vintage > GP where he had not wanted to upshift and then immediately down shift into > 1'st gear for the next hairpin corner.. The failure did not occur that > weekend, but the next race weekend where we found the front generator end > frame lower ear broken off, then shortly thereafter all 4 ARP flywheel > bolts sheared and the flywheel lost its attachment to the flywheel > completely. The dowel pin also was sheared off.. There is obviously a > resonant frequency somewhere north of 7600 rpm that was inducing these > failures. We normally insist that drivers keep the revs on a full race > engine with steel rods, crank, alloy flywheel, light pistons, etc.below > 7200 rpm which has been safe and reliable in a engine properly assembled > with all of the correct necessary parts. > > Regards, > > Greg Solow > > The Engine Room > > Santa Cruz, Ca. 95060 > > 831 429-1800 From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed Jul 21 02:36:59 2010 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 01:36:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: gt-6 initial run Message-ID: <3E8CAF128C004EA4A76018DA00F71DE1@your89d26e0447> ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Solow To: jason at multivintage.com ; Friends of Triumph Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:32 AM Subject: gt-6 initial run Congratulations! Sounds like a good start. You should look into a better lubricant or possible a pump and an oil cooler for the differential oil. Overfilling the diff by about 1/2 pint of gear oil may also help.. We normally use Chevron "Delo" special Heavy Duty gear lubes with great success. I under stand that they were developed for use in the Nissan IMSA GTP cars which were having reliability issues. I was told that switching to the Delo oil fixed the problems the team was having. Maybe Kas can add something to this information. We often add a gear oil additive made by "lubguard" It comes in a yellow bottle and is labled "gear oil supplement" It is an extreme pressure additive that also adds slipperiness to the oil. So it should not be used in a "clutch type" limited slip diff. as it will likely make the clutches slip! The differential should not be getting hotter than 130 to 140 degrees, in my opinion. Hot to the touch is ok, burn your hand on the diff hot is not ok. Regards, Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed Jul 21 02:32:45 2010 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 01:32:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] gt-6 initial run Message-ID: <935A64165BF74CA8A8DBF3B8A72055A4@your89d26e0447> Congratulations! Sounds like a good start. You should look into a better lubricant or possible a pump and an oil cooler for the differential oil. Overfilling the diff by about 1/2 pint of gear oil may also help.. We normally use Chevron "Delos" special Heavy Duty gear lubes with great success. I under stand that they were developed for use in the Nissan IMSA GTP cars which were having reliability issues. I was told that switching to the Delo oil fixed the problems the team was having. Maybe Kas can add something to this information. We often add a gear oil additive made by "lubguard" It comes in a yellow bottle and is labled "gear oil supplement" It is an extreme pressure additive that also adds slipperiness to the oil. So it should not be used in a "clutch type" limited slip diff. as it will likely make the clutches slip! The differential should not be getting hotter than 130 to 140 degrees, in my opinion. Hot to the touch is ok, burn your hand on the diff hot is not ok. Regards, Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Jul 21 06:17:10 2010 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 08:17:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing In-Reply-To: <8CCF693D30130C7-1248-12E85@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF693D30130C7-1248-12E85@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <59E4B3D3-9121-4780-B825-0101D54BE94F@comcast.net> Not sure if you have a limited slip or stock or what. My GT6 has a welded rear - I run Red Line Differential oil. No temperature issues whatsoever. Sounds to me like there was some sort of problem that caused this. From: Jason Ostrowski To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jul 19, 2010 9:33 am Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jul 21 08:05:01 2010 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 09:05:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing In-Reply-To: <59E4B3D3-9121-4780-B825-0101D54BE94F@comcast.net> References: <8CCF693D30130C7-1248-12E85@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> <59E4B3D3-9121-4780-B825-0101D54BE94F@comcast.net> Message-ID: Took the poor old stinky rear end out and took a peek at it last night, it was a "locker" as well. I was using redline synthetic gear lube as well. The pinion gear had a major chunk come off an little bits of metal were floating around with the oil. So, I did find the problem, But I'm not sure exactly why it happened. Nothing really happened that should have caused that but as we say often in racing...SH** HAPPENS.... Nonetheless I was unfortunately "Beaten by Equipment" Hope the spare holds up longer. I used a about 3/4 of the Quart of Redline synthetic 75w90 gear lube. and put it in...Not the easiest job I've ever done. It took quite a while. On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > Not sure if you have a limited slip or stock or what. My GT6 has a welded > rear - I run Red Line Differential oil. No temperature issues whatsoever. > Sounds to me like there was some sort of problem that caused this. > > > From: Jason Ostrowski > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, Jul 19, 2010 9:33 am > Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing From harmug at us.ibm.com Wed Jul 21 12:51:19 2010 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:51:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Chain tensioner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Does anyone have a better solution to the crappy timing chain tensioner in a Spitfire engine? My race car broke another one and while they're cheap enough, it's a PITA. Seems to me there could be something mounted through the cover to do the job better. thanks mike 63 Spitfire From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Jul 21 16:09:33 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:09:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates References: Message-ID: The note about breaking the lower ear of the generator hit home. I had a Lucas alternator housing break at Watkins Glen. I had to force myself to shift earlier myself coming out of the toe of the boot after my tach told me I'd hit 8,100. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 3:14 AM Subject: [Fot] Fw: Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Solow" > To: "Jerry Van Vlack" > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:11 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > > >> Lock tabs are made of soft material. The steel of the lock tab can and >> sometimes will compress where it is squeezed between the bolt head and >> the fly wheel. The clamping tension of the bolt on the flywheel is then >> reduced. The effect is as if the bolt had loosened, without it having >> done so. This occurred on my own Morgan, with a TR-4 engine, when the car >> was about 16,000 miles from new. It manifested itself as a rattle when >> the engine was gently revved from idle. The noise sounded like it was >> coming from within the timing cover, but it was noise transferring down >> the crankshaft from the rear of the engine. The bolt were found to be >> "loose". They were not stretched and the lock tabs were still bent over >> and locking the bolt heads. Since then, (1966) I have used high strength >> loctite and no washer on an iron flywheel or metric "wave washer" style >> lock washers, which are hardened steel, on alloy flywheels. On high >> performance engines we use bolts that are harder and higher strength than >> the original "auto" bolts. The best standard bolts were labled "BEES" on >> the head. We have only had one "tractor motor" flywheel ever come loose >> since, and it was full race engine. The driver had been revinig the >> engine to near 8,000 rpm coming down the switchbacks on the backside of >> the Pittsburg Vintage GP where he had not wanted to upshift and then >> immediately down shift into 1'st gear for the next hairpin corner.. The >> failure did not occur that weekend, but the next race weekend where we >> found the front generator end frame lower ear broken off, then shortly >> thereafter all 4 ARP flywheel bolts sheared and the flywheel lost its >> attachment to the flywheel completely. The dowel pin also was sheared >> off.. There is obviously a resonant frequency somewhere north of 7600 rpm >> that was inducing these failures. We normally insist that drivers keep >> the revs on a full race engine with steel rods, crank, alloy flywheel, >> light pistons, etc.below 7200 rpm which has been safe and reliable in a >> engine properly assembled with all of the correct necessary parts. >> >> Regards, >> >> Greg Solow >> >> The Engine Room >> >> Santa Cruz, Ca. 95060 >> >> 831 429-1800 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 21 17:58:36 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 19:58:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Record number of TR4 entries.....at HEARTLAND PARK in August Message-ID: <8CCF747C4D84B0E-4940-516E@Webmail-m112.sysops.aol.com> So far there are an amazing number of TR4s entered and more expected. FOURTEEN so far. Two of them will be Kas' 12 Hours of Sebring cars. Will all of them be chasing a TR6 'rabbit' in National Champ Sam Halkias in his vintage prepared TR6? This is going to be cool. From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Jul 21 19:21:58 2010 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:21:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates Message-ID: <47A4E5976D6548F99C67C035427B603A@userb38463fba5> All of the responses said to drop the tabs. I'll listen to the wisdom. I'll be using the blue Locktight only with no tabs. Bob if my engine ever hits 8,100 it'll look like your old one did at Mosport. Thanks folks JVV > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Kramer" > To: "Greg Solow" ; "Friends of Triumph" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > > >> The note about breaking the lower ear of the generator hit home. I had a >> Lucas alternator housing break at Watkins Glen. I had to force myself to >> shift earlier myself coming out of the toe of the boot after my tach told >> me I'd hit 8,100. >> >> Bob Kramer >> Volente, TX >> >> Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch >> excellence. >> Vince Lombardi From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Jul 21 21:06:25 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 22:06:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates References: <47A4E5976D6548F99C67C035427B603A@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: I've upgraded to a Moldex and Carillo's so I hope to stay out of that kind of trouble again. The BFE camshaft wanted to go there..... Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: "Jerry Van Vlack" ; "Bob Kramer" ; "Greg Solow" ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > > > > All of the responses said to drop the tabs. I'll listen to the wisdom. > I'll > be using the blue Locktight only with no tabs. > Bob if my engine ever hits 8,100 it'll look like your old one did at > Mosport. > Thanks folks > JVV >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob Kramer" >> To: "Greg Solow" ; "Friends of Triumph" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates >> >> >>> The note about breaking the lower ear of the generator hit home. I had a >>> Lucas alternator housing break at Watkins Glen. I had to force myself to >>> shift earlier myself coming out of the toe of the boot after my tach >>> told me I'd hit 8,100. >>> >>> Bob Kramer >>> Volente, TX >>> >>> Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch >>> excellence. >>> Vince Lombardi From WEmery7451 at aol.com Thu Jul 22 10:47:52 2010 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:47:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates Message-ID: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com> In a message dated 7/20/10 5:00:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jerryvv at roadrunner.com writes: << List, what is the collective wisdom on using the 2 locking plates when assembling a TR 4 flywheel to the crank? Use them or use Locktite instead of them. Both? >> Forget the Locktite. It may be OK for the first assembly. If you have to assemble the components again, it is almost impossible to clean out all of the old Locktite. You could therefore get some false torque readings. Use the locking plates, put a drop of mineral oil on the bolt threads, and torque to specifications. There is some evidence that tying the two bolts together with the locking plates gives a little added strength. You might also want to have two dial pins made long enough to be flush with the outer surface of the flywheel. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jul 22 13:32:10 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 21:32:10 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com> References: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com> Message-ID: <000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com> Gasket remover will clean the bolts and holes from old Loctite. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von WEmery7451 at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Juli 2010 18:48 An: jerryvv at roadrunner.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In a message dated 7/20/10 5:00:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jerryvv at roadrunner.com writes: << List, what is the collective wisdom on using the 2 locking plates when assembling a TR 4 flywheel to the crank? Use them or use Locktite instead of them. Both? >> Forget the Locktite. It may be OK for the first assembly. If you have to assemble the components again, it is almost impossible to clean out all of the old Locktite. You could therefore get some false torque readings. Use the locking plates, put a drop of mineral oil on the bolt threads, and torque to specifications. There is some evidence that tying the two bolts together with the locking plates gives a little added strength. You might also want to have two dial pins made long enough to be flush with the outer surface of the flywheel. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Jul 22 15:39:09 2010 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:39:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com> References: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com> <000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com> Message-ID: <001601cb29e6$52b08c70$f811a550$@com> Thanks Chris, I've been using lacquer thinner and a brass gun cleaning brush on a drill along with dental picks to clean the Loctite out of the threads. I'll try the gasket remover next time. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:32 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates Gasket remover will clean the bolts and holes from old Loctite. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von WEmery7451 at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Juli 2010 18:48 An: jerryvv at roadrunner.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In a message dated 7/20/10 5:00:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jerryvv at roadrunner.com writes: << List, what is the collective wisdom on using the 2 locking plates when assembling a TR 4 flywheel to the crank? Use them or use Locktite instead of them. Both? >> Forget the Locktite. It may be OK for the first assembly. If you have to assemble the components again, it is almost impossible to clean out all of the old Locktite. You could therefore get some false torque readings. Use the locking plates, put a drop of mineral oil on the bolt threads, and torque to specifications. There is some evidence that tying the two bolts together with the locking plates gives a little added strength. You might also want to have two dial pins made long enough to be flush with the outer surface of the flywheel. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu Jul 22 17:01:00 2010 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:01:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates References: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com><000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com> <001601cb29e6$52b08c70$f811a550$@com> Message-ID: <6DF1B2CAB8214903A6C5804D7C924460@userb38463fba5> Lacquer thinner seems to clean anything but it's rough on the skin. That's what I was going to use. Gasket cleaner may well be Lacquer thinner as I've used thinner to clean gasket surfaces and it works well. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'MadMarx'" ; Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > Thanks Chris, I've been using lacquer thinner and a brass gun cleaning > brush > on a drill along with dental picks to clean the Loctite out of the > threads. > I'll try the gasket remover next time. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:32 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > > Gasket remover will clean the bolts and holes from old Loctite. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von WEmery7451 at aol.com > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Juli 2010 18:48 > An: jerryvv at roadrunner.com; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates From spitlist at cox.net Thu Jul 22 18:17:29 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:17:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <6DF1B2CAB8214903A6C5804D7C924460@userb38463fba5> References: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com><000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com><001601cb29e6$52b08c70$f811a550$@com> <6DF1B2CAB8214903A6C5804D7C924460@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: <989EF3C0E5B44DC99E89932FDDBA4C3F@joepentiumnew> I just discovered that Paint prep cleaner (such as Acryli-Clean) works well for getting gasket sealer off. I discovered this due to finding that a bottle of Permatex Gasket sealer turned over in my toolbox leaving a real mess. I scraped off the bulk of it but was able to dissolve the remainder with that solvent without causing ill effects to my skin. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 4:01 PM To: Tim Murphy; 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates Lacquer thinner seems to clean anything but it's rough on the skin. That's what I was going to use. Gasket cleaner may well be Lacquer thinner as I've used thinner to clean gasket surfaces and it works well. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'MadMarx'" ; Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > Thanks Chris, I've been using lacquer thinner and a brass gun cleaning > brush > on a drill along with dental picks to clean the Loctite out of the > threads. > I'll try the gasket remover next time. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:32 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > > Gasket remover will clean the bolts and holes from old Loctite. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von WEmery7451 at aol.com > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Juli 2010 18:48 > An: jerryvv at roadrunner.com; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Thu Jul 22 19:21:18 2010 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 21:21:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <001601cb29e6$52b08c70$f811a550$@com> References: <001601cb29e6$52b08c70$f811a550$@com> Message-ID: <4C48EE8E.1020904@twcny.rr.com> I just run a tap thru and Bob's your Uncle. No fuss no muss... Grind off the tip of an old one for bottom end applications. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jul 22 22:13:48 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 21:13:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <6DF1B2CAB8214903A6C5804D7C924460@userb38463fba5> References: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com><000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com><001601cb29e6$52b08c70$f811a550$@com> <6DF1B2CAB8214903A6C5804D7C924460@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: <2513E5D508D448FC84893E409FD4888D@Meislaptop> > Gasket cleaner may well be Lacquer thinner The Loctite "gasket remover" I have does not appear to be lacquer thinner. It's thicker for one thing, and foams slightly on the surface. Very effective, but somewhat slow as it seems to take several minutes to soften the surface and then has to be reapplied to remove the next layer. But so far it has removed everything I've tried it on, including RTV, old hardened Permatex, Hylomar, etc. Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jul 23 01:15:47 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:15:47 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <989EF3C0E5B44DC99E89932FDDBA4C3F@joepentiumnew> References: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com><000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com><001601cb29e6$52b08c70$f811a550$@com> <6DF1B2CAB8214903A6C5804D7C924460@userb38463fba5> <989EF3C0E5B44DC99E89932FDDBA4C3F@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <001301cb2a36$e23d7470$a6b85d50$@com> We call this silicon remover which you use for cleaning a surface before starting the paint job. It does remove sticker glue also very nicely. But it is not rough to paint. I'm not sure if it does remove Loctite out of a thread. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juli 2010 02:17 An: 'Jerry Van Vlack'; 'Tim Murphy'; 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates I just discovered that Paint prep cleaner (such as Acryli-Clean) works well for getting gasket sealer off. I discovered this due to finding that a bottle of Permatex Gasket sealer turned over in my toolbox leaving a real mess. I scraped off the bulk of it but was able to dissolve the remainder with that solvent without causing ill effects to my skin. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 4:01 PM To: Tim Murphy; 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates Lacquer thinner seems to clean anything but it's rough on the skin. That's what I was going to use. Gasket cleaner may well be Lacquer thinner as I've used thinner to clean gasket surfaces and it works well. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'MadMarx'" ; Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > Thanks Chris, I've been using lacquer thinner and a brass gun cleaning > brush > on a drill along with dental picks to clean the Loctite out of the > threads. > I'll try the gasket remover next time. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:32 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > > Gasket remover will clean the bolts and holes from old Loctite. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von WEmery7451 at aol.com > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Juli 2010 18:48 > An: jerryvv at roadrunner.com; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jul 23 01:20:30 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:20:30 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <4C48EE8E.1020904@twcny.rr.com> References: <001601cb29e6$52b08c70$f811a550$@com> <4C48EE8E.1020904@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <001401cb2a37$893bda00$9bb38e00$@com> But it might wear out the threads after several use. I made a cleaning bolt once but I don't use it anymore. I took a bolt and cut notches along the thread like on a tap. I run the bolt into the hole and the in the notches the dirt is collected. It is more easy on the threads than a tap. But in my case gasket remover does it well. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mark Eginton Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juli 2010 03:21 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates I just run a tap thru and Bob's your Uncle. No fuss no muss... Grind off the tip of an old one for bottom end applications. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Jul 23 07:12:19 2010 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:12:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] vacum port Message-ID: <269E8612EACF4981B2F481D390123A02@INSPIRON> I am trying to plug the vacuum port on the Webber manifold. I have run around trying to match the thread with out any luck. Does anyone know the size and thread pitch thanks rob From mediehljr at yahoo.com Fri Jul 23 08:24:40 2010 From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 07:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com> References: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com> <000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com> Message-ID: <705833.29957.qm@web51906.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I would surely recommend locktite over the plates. After many years running a Spit in SCCA GP, I also found that drilling for additional dowel pins will keep the flywheel on much better. Cheers, Ed. Ed Diehl ----- Original Message ---- From: MadMarx To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 3:32:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates Gasket remover will clean the bolts and holes from old Loctite. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von WEmery7451 at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Juli 2010 18:48 An: jerryvv at roadrunner.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In a message dated 7/20/10 5:00:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jerryvv at roadrunner.com writes: << List, what is the collective wisdom on using the 2 locking plates when assembling a TR 4 flywheel to the crank? Use them or use Locktite instead of them. Both? >> Forget the Locktite. It may be OK for the first assembly. If you have to assemble the components again, it is almost impossible to clean out all of the old Locktite. You could therefore get some false torque readings. Use the locking plates, put a drop of mineral oil on the bolt threads, and torque to specifications. There is some evidence that tying the two bolts together with the locking plates gives a little added strength. You might also want to have two dial pins made long enough to be flush with the outer surface of the flywheel. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mediehljr at yahoo.com From riverside at southslope.net Fri Jul 23 10:33:35 2010 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:33:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] historical document Message-ID: <000801cb2a84$cc950900$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Does anyone have a copy of the '66 June Sprints entry list? an e-mailed to me image is all i need. Thanks! art de armond From vintage.racer at comcast.net Fri Jul 23 11:51:21 2010 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Water Temp Gauge Message-ID: <2067031878.319516.1279907481360.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello All: I'm in need of an electrical water temp gauge and/or a mechanical version (gauge, capillary, sensor) in good working order for my 69 TR6. Anyone have a spare they'd like to sell? Thanks. Gary From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Jul 24 01:20:37 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 00:20:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] vacum port In-Reply-To: <269E8612EACF4981B2F481D390123A02@INSPIRON> References: <269E8612EACF4981B2F481D390123A02@INSPIRON> Message-ID: <41A4E74EF2974F4490C2F51011CA1D85@Meislaptop> > I am trying to plug the vacuum port on the Webber manifold. > Does anyone know the size > and thread pitch I don't; but a trick I have found helpful is to whittle a piece of wood to roughly the right diameter and screw it into the hole. When you unscrew it, the marks left by the threads will be readily visible, so you can match them to a bolt or thread gauge. Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jul 24 15:59:16 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 23:59:16 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com> <000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com> Message-ID: <001001cb2b7b$770d8e60$6528ab20$@com> A trackday on the Nordschleife: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5mYIz4V01w From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 25 03:30:20 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 11:30:20 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <7237E55F-8D5B-457F-BB4A-89745DB63D5A@earthlink.net> References: <001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com> <000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com> <001001cb2b7b$770d8e60$6528ab20$@com> <7237E55F-8D5B-457F-BB4A-89745DB63D5A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001cb2bdc$014bb790$03e326b0$@com> I planned to bring a helmet to the ring for passengers but it seems that my wife gave my spare helmet to the trash bin in the past. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Steven Belfer [mailto:colordog.1 at earthlink.net] Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. Juli 2010 05:41 An: MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife Wow, that looks like fun! Shouldn't your passenger be wearing a helmet? ~Steve On Jul 24, 2010, at 2:59 PM, MadMarx wrote: A trackday on the Nordschleife: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5mYIz4V01w _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Jul 25 05:48:21 2010 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 07:48:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 & beyond Message-ID: <2d397.68cc8dc1.397d7e85@aol.com> Amen, Cary, Moss has already pulled much, if not all of their support for Buttonwillow and despite the great racing, great parties, and all the hoopla, like the Group 44 deal, both Moss and we at CMS are quite disapointed with the FOT participation at our Classic Motorsports Mitty event. Maybe I need to go race a Porsche. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 P.S. I was kidding about the Porsche. In a message dated 7/16/10 11:59:56 AM, Group44TR7 at aol.com writes: > Tim > > I appreciate all that you have attempted to do for Triumph owners > and in particular, the Triumph racing community. When it comes to the 60th > reunion that FOT selection should take into account your past and current > support. > > I felt particularly bad that I was unable to support your efforts > to get the Group 44 cars together because of all that you have done. > Unfortunately, the same considerations and constraints will probably keep me > from particpating in the 60th reunion if it was held at Mitty. > > Fot Members > > Similarly, Moss has in past sponsored a spring event at > Buttonwillow. I do not remember that event being an "official" annual FOT event, but > it seems like we are not supporting a vendor who is supporting us. Maybe > something can be worked out with Moss about an annual west coast event > (although I really do not like Buttonwillow) > > In the end, if we do not support those who are supporting us, > then we will lose their support. > > Thanks for listening - Cary > > > > > > From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Jul 25 05:51:06 2010 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 07:51:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP (now rules in the Southeast) Message-ID: <2d470.3a54273d.397d7f2a@aol.com> I still run 5.5" Panasports and Hoosier Speedsters in the Southeast and run towards the front. Unlike a lot of cars, I have no rack and pinion steering either. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 In my tour around the country the place I found the most modern triumph rubber in the southeast. Most of the folks in the NW run SOVERN vintage rules, which means 6" rims and treaded tires. For TR3 that means bias ply 70 series, so it's vintage TDs. I'm supposed to run those, but I generally run Hoosier Speedsters. If you run HMSA or General Racing it's Dunlop L series in 5.50 X 15. A far cry from the slicks everyone was on in the Southeast. On Jul 16, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Bob Adams wrote: From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Jul 25 05:56:47 2010 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 07:56:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Message-ID: <2d637.3de0241c.397d807f@aol.com> Conceptually I agree, but have found some fun lesser tracks like Hutchinson Island in Savannah, Hallet when I ran with you guys and Gingerman are a lot of fun. Was at VIR this weekend and it and Mid Ohio are still two of my favorites. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 Amen, brother. I discovered on my long tour (www.allaluminumtour.com) that most historic tracks are also great tracks. And most of the ones you never heard of are not. The best you can say about the modern tracks is that they are "interesting". Would I rather go to Sears or Thunderhill. No contest. A great track has places to pass, challenging corners, places to go fast, and requires technique, tactics and strategy. I spent some time thinking about this once and decided why I like Portland International Raceway even though there are no elevation changes (which I generally consider critical). It's because you need a strategy for each opponent based on the relative strengths and weaknesses of their car and yours. You can be a second slower at PIR and win with a superior strategy. Been there, done exactly that. Limerock--historically significant but kind of boring. Watkins Glen--separates the sheep from the goats (according to Tony Garmey). Road America--where am I? Fast and interesting. Road Atlanta--incredibly varied and some fine passing places. Sears--Awesome, great passing spots, fast and tricky. Laguna -- some nice corners, the corkscrew is fun and turn nine is a challenge, but not in the same league as Sears. VIR--fiddly, but fun. Mosport--oh my god. What were they thinking. On Jul 15, 2010, at 8:00 AM, Bob Adams wrote: > I think you're going to have trouble getting people to justify a long tow to > a non historical track, especially for the racers back east who have tracks > like Road Atlanta, VIR, Lime Rock,and Watkins Glen, and a lot of really good > "B" tracks like NJMP, Mid Ohio, Summit Point, Beaverun, and Roebling Road at > their disposal. > > No offense to anyone, but I don't think people are super excited at the idea > of towing two days to tracks like Topeka and TWS. > > Just look at the turnout at Watkins Glen in 2008 and the caliber of cars > that showed up vs some of the other Triumph gatherings. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grmtim at aol.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 25 08:40:28 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:40:28 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife References: <001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com> <000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com> Message-ID: <000001cb2c07$5590d760$00b28620$@com> A trackday on the Nordschleife: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5mYIz4V01w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZSBn39OJ_M From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Jul 25 09:46:04 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 09:46:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Last minute rebuild before Topeka Message-ID: Greetings FoT The worst case scenario has happened. I raced ppir two weeks ago and my head gasket blew. I caught it pretty quick and inspection of the rod & main bearings Showed no damage to the crank. The bearings were just beginning to score. The nitriding had paid off. Unfortunately when I tore the motor down I found all the pistons badly damaged an two of the liners are toast. Further investigation showed the small ends of the rods Turned blue & red. They were new forged rods and the shop that balanced the rotating assembly sized them for the Wrist pins, I didn't ask what they were sized to. As it is the evidence points to the wrist pins siezing up and putting unusual forces on the pistons thus taking out the pistons & liners. The holes in the pistons for the wrist pins were beginning to oval. So my qestion is, what should be considered a racing tollerence for the small end bearing? Thanks for any input. Jim g Sent from my iPhone From brinke at cebridge.net Sat Jul 24 16:07:08 2010 From: brinke at cebridge.net (Bill Rinke) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 17:07:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2010 References: <00C1A379-2A58-4CF8-A46B-BF5E06ACAAD4@bnj.com> Message-ID: <91BA9A9EF4564AA5ABB295BF3F580C5E@main> Hello Bill, Gosh it has been a long time since we heard from you. Don't have your entry yet into the O'Reilly Vintage Grand Prix sponsored by Heartland Vintage Racing. This is undoubtedly the greatest Vintage Racing event to be held in the Midwest and you sure don't want to miss it. Check out our updated website at www.heartlandvintageracing.com and click on the Invitations button and also on the Racing button. Lots of great information there. Perhaps some of those copied on this email will also be reminded of this great event and get their entries sent in right away. The Kastner Cup Race is going to be one of the best ever held. It will start with a band playing the National Anthem and at the end of the Anthem there will be aircraft flying over spewing colored smoke and one of the pilots even said he might do a barrel roll down the front straight. Sure look forward to receiving your entry and seeing you at Heartland Park Topeka. Bill bill at heartlandvintageracing.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; fot at autox.team.net Triumph' Triumph Cc: emanteno at comcast.net ; sbarr at mccarty-law.com ; jerrybarr at charter.net ; yellow-green at sbcglobal.net ; ehusmann53 at yahoo.com ; spyderweb at uwalumni.com ; tony at tonydrews.com ; edwardbarnard at prodigy.net ; colordog.1 at earthlink.net ; rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ; mjb at spitfire.cs.utah.edu ; capecoventryracing at gmail.com ; cofrog at q.com ; mlcooknj at msn.com ; BillDentin at aol.com ; Dlhogye at aol.com ; DonMarshall at nefcom.net ; gasket.works at gte.net ; keithfiles at btinternet.com ; henry at henryfrye.com ; GSFuqua1 at aol.com ; vintage.racer at comcast.net ; jcjcarrera at comcast.net ; spitfiresuz at 141.com ; brad.kahler at 141.com ; kla-nv at earthlink.net ; munsonsb at telus.net ; Gt6steve at aol.com ; jsnook at wcnet.org ; tstrange at new.rr.com ; tarch at bellsouth.net ; jerryvv at roadrunner.com ; cartravel at pobox.com ; seanax at iowalaser.com ; Mark.Alexander.ctr at ang.af.mil Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 10:33 AM Subject: Re: Kastner Cup 2010 Wow, how cool is that. I'll do my best to be there, even though it conflicts with the Monterey Historics. On Jun 5, 2009, at 5:47 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: Press release by Gary Fuqua and Bill Brinke: It should be a good one.......Kas is enthusiastically in place. look at: http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/ I am not on the FOT list, at the moment, so I just sent as many as I could find on my address book/ The word will be getting out so I ddint want folks to find out from a magazine or any of the other lists. = From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Jul 25 12:46:23 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 12:46:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Last minute rebuild before Topeka In-Reply-To: <8CCFA3B837715E8-139C-2753D@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCFA3B837715E8-139C-2753D@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I don't give up that easy . Jim g Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2010, at 12:08 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > oh Jim, > > are you going to make it? > > this is the greatest potential turnout of TR4s ever, methinks > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Gray > To: Triumph Friends of > Sent: Sun, Jul 25, 2010 10:46 am > Subject: [Fot] Last minute rebuild before Topeka > > Greetings FoT > The worst case scenario has happened. I raced ppir two weeks ago and > my head gasket blew. I caught it pretty quick and inspection of the > rod & main bearings > Showed no damage to the crank. The bearings were just beginning to > score. The nitriding had paid off. > Unfortunately when I tore the motor down I found all the pistons > badly damaged an two of the liners are toast. > Further investigation showed the small ends of the rods > Turned blue & red. They were new forged rods and the shop that > balanced the rotating assembly sized them for the > Wrist pins, I didn't ask what they were sized to. > As it is the evidence points to the wrist pins siezing up and > putting unusual forces on the pistons thus taking out the pistons & > liners. The holes in the pistons for the wrist pins were beginning > to oval. So my qestion is, what should be considered a racing > tollerence for the small end bearing? > Thanks for any input. > Jim g > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > = From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 25 13:23:15 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 21:23:15 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Last minute rebuild before Topeka In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000b01cb2c2e$d5a6fe80$80f4fb80$@com> I run the stock suggestions which are 0.00196" clearance for rod and piston bore. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Jim Gray Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. Juli 2010 17:46 An: Triumph Friends of Betreff: [Fot] Last minute rebuild before Topeka Greetings FoT The worst case scenario has happened. I raced ppir two weeks ago and my head gasket blew. I caught it pretty quick and inspection of the rod & main bearings Showed no damage to the crank. The bearings were just beginning to score. The nitriding had paid off. Unfortunately when I tore the motor down I found all the pistons badly damaged an two of the liners are toast. Further investigation showed the small ends of the rods Turned blue & red. They were new forged rods and the shop that balanced the rotating assembly sized them for the Wrist pins, I didn't ask what they were sized to. As it is the evidence points to the wrist pins siezing up and putting unusual forces on the pistons thus taking out the pistons & liners. The holes in the pistons for the wrist pins were beginning to oval. So my qestion is, what should be considered a racing tollerence for the small end bearing? Thanks for any input. Jim g Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sun Jul 25 14:50:44 2010 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:50:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <000001cb2c07$5590d760$00b28620$@com> References: <001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com><000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com> <000001cb2c07$5590d760$00b28620$@com> Message-ID: How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 10:40 AM Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife >A trackday on the Nordschleife: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5mYIz4V01w > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZSBn39OJ_M > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/19to1tr6 at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jul 25 15:34:01 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:34:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Stags at the Kastner Cup Races in Topeka Kansas USA August 19-22 In-Reply-To: <4C4C9AFB.8050905@triumphstagclub.org> References: <4C4C9AFB.8050905@triumphstagclub.org> Message-ID: <8CCFA583B9050B0-1F98-25A0F@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Glenn, Your timing to mention this FOT Kastner Cup event couldnt be any better. I wanted 'uncle jack' as the honorary pace car as a tribute to my long time friend. Mr. Ethier has another event on his schedule that he doesnt want to miss. I understand that. However, it would be cool to have a gathering of Stags with us. We have a number of features planned that will appeal to everyone. Ramada Inn has very special rates available. Cheaper than Super 8, I hear. Entertainment on Saturday night. Live music by Soul to Soul out of Texas. You get a herd of stags to come and we will pay special attention to you. Kas, of course will be there. Some other folks of TRIUMPH racing history will be there telling stories of racing in the 50s. VTR is going to have something special going on in the paddock as well as a deluxe poster for the second year. Suitable for autographing by Kas and Sam....and then frame it. We are honoring Sam Halkias and he will have the SCCA TR6 Champ Car on display and driving his vintage TR6. In the field of entries there may be as many as 18 TR4s...the biggest showing of TR4s that I am aware of. This event is about Triumphs, for Triumph people. Triumphs will be the stars. Gate is inexpensive for the weekend. We have a great T-SHIRT with Sam Halkias on it. We are going to offer it to all Triumph guys....$12.50 I think. This is an opportunity for central states TRIUMPHS to participate in what is usually held on either coast. 2011 is west and 2012 will be east.......... VENDOR and AUTOJUMBLE activity. Rent a vendor space for $100 and get passes, then sell off some of spares...get some guys together and do it. Let me know, so we can plan for you. Join us in the paddock! Thanks Glenn, Joe Alexander FOT -----Original Message----- From: Glenn A. Merrell - TSN To: Triumph Stag Discussion Forum ; Triumph Triumphlist ; Spitfires Mail List Members ; TR8 Mail List Members ; 6-Pack <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Sun, Jul 25, 2010 3:13 pm Subject: [6pack] Stags at the Kastner Cup Races in Topeka Kansas USA August 19-22 Hi All, I am wondering how many folks are going to the Friends of Triumph Kastner Cup Races in Topeka Kansas August 19-22 ( featured race info http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/) where Triumph is the featured Marque? This is a convenient day's drive from a lot of places in the Central USA, and across a weekend too! I'd like to see a strong showing of ALL Triumphs including Triumph Stags show up in the Heartland as there has not been a good gathering of "the herd" in several years now, certainly not one exceeding a count close to 24 Stags !! It is well past the time for new things to happen in the long term support and enjoyment of our cars. There are easily over 100 Stags within a days drive of Topeka (not to mention many hundreds of other Triumphs) ... so it would be a very convenient gathering of the herd, we could coordinate a spot in the race paddocks reserved just for Triumph Stags smack dab in the middle of FoT, maybe have Uncle Jack as the center piece with all the TTA stickers ?? How appropriate!!! If you are planning on attending, want to talk Triumphs, Triumph Stags, coordinating new Triumph Stag support in North America including herding options, please contact me off list and do actively continue this discussion on the Forums! Cheers! -- Glenn Merrell TSN Admin http://www.triumphstag.net mailto:StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org _______________________________________________ 6pack at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jul 25 15:48:39 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:48:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park Message-ID: <8CCFA5A46B9348C-1788-3C658@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> FOT, I ran into some RMVR members at Road America last weekend and talked to them about Heartland Park. They said HP was discussed and planned to be on their racing schedule as there is nothing else scheduled for August. But it didnt get on the schedule as someone didnt follow through. Is it too late to spread the word to RMVR and CVAR? Entries are looking quite good for the Kastner Cup, but there is room for more entries in other groups. Who can help? Thanks, Joe A. From billb at bnj.com Sun Jul 25 16:13:31 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 15:13:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com><000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com> <000001cb2c07$5590d760$00b28620$@com> Message-ID: <020272EF-962A-4D1C-965D-32905E70898E@bnj.com> Perhaps some fundamental difference between nanny state Germany and nanny state United States? That and the fact that the Nordschliefe is not really a race track anymore. You pays your money and you takes yer lap, regardless of what motor-driven contrivance you might choose to bring. People drive at similar speeds on the road that runs past my house in Portland (coincidentally, the infamous Germantown Road) with no helmet, harness and traffic coming the other way. Now that I think about it, I do too. On Jul 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Rob wrote: > How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sun Jul 25 17:54:15 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:54:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <020272EF-962A-4D1C-965D-32905E70898E@bnj.com> Message-ID: <4DE981F9477F49D6B40A22FC38D7C928@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Germantown Road - One of my all time favorites. But don't screw up - those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:14 PM To: Rob Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife Perhaps some fundamental difference between nanny state Germany and nanny state United States? That and the fact that the Nordschliefe is not really a race track anymore. You pays your money and you takes yer lap, regardless of what motor-driven contrivance you might choose to bring. People drive at similar speeds on the road that runs past my house in Portland (coincidentally, the infamous Germantown Road) with no helmet, harness and traffic coming the other way. Now that I think about it, I do too. On Jul 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Rob wrote: > How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sun Jul 25 19:06:03 2010 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 01:06:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] spitfire rear valence trim needed Message-ID: <1542073874.508208.1280106363690.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Anyone out there have chrome rear valence pieces sitting around on a parts car collecting dust.B I really just need the centre lower piece, but would take all of them.B These chrome ones are forB a 72' or so MkIV or 1500.B The car is black so the black ones aren't what I'm looking for. amazing how mangled they get when a car is backed into the tire barrier Aaron Johnson #87 HP Spitfire1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA From jaboruch at netzero.net Sun Jul 25 19:29:03 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 01:29:03 GMT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Spitfire Message-ID: <20100725.212903.17807.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Friends, I received the below from a former FOTer. Lots of free parts, plus a Spitfire for sale. Jim is in Connecticut. Joe(B) Hi Joe, Would you mind placing this ad for me on the FOT site, I no longer have access. Thanks, Jim Wood Free: Spitfire chassis, tubs, and bonnets, have several of each. For sale: 1969 Spitfire MK3, 1300cc, street car, roll bar, fuel cell, Carrerra shocks, Corbeau seats, and much more, also many spares included. $2500 firm. Jim Wood 860-350-0975, VRUUUM at aol.com ____________________________________________________________ TODAY: iPads for $23.78? Report: Apple iPads are being auctioned for an incredible 83% off! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c4ce512993a5412671st06duc From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Jul 25 21:14:35 2010 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 parts Message-ID: <500703.72057.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Lister's: I have a friend who is parting out a couple of TR3A's, post TS60000. Normally I wouldn't mention body panels to the group since they are expensive to ship, but, Joe Hovey and I will be coming up to Topeka and could throw things in the truck and save shipping costs. At this time there is still a good front apron, some doors, and front and rear fenders. If anyone is interested in any panels to be brought to Topeka please contact me off list. Thanks - Ed From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 26 01:40:56 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:40:56 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com><000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com> <000001cb2c07$5590d760$00b28620$@com> Message-ID: <001401cb2c95$e5161510$af423f30$@com> The simple fact is that the Nordschleife was ever a toll road and has a status like a normal road for public traffic. Like the streets of Monaco. You can drive through Monaco when there is no F1 GP on the race track. So all cars insurances are intact and also the driving rules for traffic are intact with the exception that this has the status as a teaching event and so overtaking on the right hand side is allowed. The passengers "are recommended" to wear helmets but there is no "must". I thought to bring my spare helmet but it seems that my wife had trash bin it. Have a look at the stock seat...how it bends and move under cornering loads :-) Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Rob [mailto:19to1tr6 at comcast.net] Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. Juli 2010 22:51 An: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 10:40 AM Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife >A trackday on the Nordschleife: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5mYIz4V01w > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZSBn39OJ_M > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/19to1tr6 at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 26 01:57:14 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:57:14 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <4DE981F9477F49D6B40A22FC38D7C928@TOSHIBALAPTOP> References: <020272EF-962A-4D1C-965D-32905E70898E@bnj.com> <4DE981F9477F49D6B40A22FC38D7C928@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <001901cb2c98$2a145da0$7e3d18e0$@com> This is something I don't understand: "those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move!" - What? -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Norlin Engineering Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2010 01:54 An: 'Bill Babcock'; 'Rob' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife Germantown Road - One of my all time favorites. But don't screw up - those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:14 PM To: Rob Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife Perhaps some fundamental difference between nanny state Germany and nanny state United States? That and the fact that the Nordschliefe is not really a race track anymore. You pays your money and you takes yer lap, regardless of what motor-driven contrivance you might choose to bring. People drive at similar speeds on the road that runs past my house in Portland (coincidentally, the infamous Germantown Road) with no helmet, harness and traffic coming the other way. Now that I think about it, I do too. On Jul 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Rob wrote: > How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 26 05:36:32 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:36:32 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <8CCFACD2D5F63B9-23B4-2851B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com> References: <020272EF-962A-4D1C-965D-32905E70898E@bnj.com><4DE981F9477F49D6B40A22FC38D7C928@TOSHIBALAPTOP> <001901cb2c98$2a145da0$7e3d18e0$@com> <8CCFACD2D5F63B9-23B4-2851B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <004001cb2cb6$cd01ac20$67050460$@com> Ahhh.now after a little help from Michael Porter and you I get it together. Doug Firs is a sort of tree.I thought Doug Firs is the name of a person. So the trees dont move if you hit them  that is ment. Von: n197tr4 at cs.com [mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com] Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2010 13:31 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife BIG TREES -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'Norlin Engineering' ; 'BillBabcock' ; 'Rob' <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:57 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife This is something I don't understand: "those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move!" - What? -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] Im Auftrag von Norlin Engineering Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2010 01:54 An: 'Bill Babcock'; 'Rob' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife Germantown Road - One of my all time favorites. But don't screw up - those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:14 PM To: Rob Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife Perhaps some fundamental difference between nanny state Germany and nanny state United States? That and the fact that the Nordschliefe is not really a race track anymore. You pays your money and you takes yer lap, regardless of what motor-driven contrivance you might choose to bring. People drive at similar speeds on the road that runs past my house in Portland (coincidentally, the infamous Germantown Road) with no helmet, harness and traffic coming the other way. Now that I think about it, I do too. On Jul 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Rob wrote: > How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 26 07:26:46 2010 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 06:26:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <004001cb2cb6$cd01ac20$67050460$@com> Message-ID: <756090.26176.qm@web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Somebody .... please, send Chris a pic or two of what these trees look like .. so he can appreciate them ... Bill???? Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 7/26/10, MadMarx wrote: From: MadMarx Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 6:36 AM Ahhh.now after a little help from Michael Porter and you I get it together. Doug Firs is a sort of tree.I thought Doug Firs is the name of a person. So the trees dont move if you hit them that is ment. Von: n197tr4 at cs.com [mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com] Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2010 13:31 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife BIG TREES -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'Norlin Engineering' ; 'BillBabcock' ; 'Rob' <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:57 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife This is something I don't understand: "those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move!" - What? -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] Im Auftrag von Norlin Engineering Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2010 01:54 An: 'Bill Babcock'; 'Rob' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife Germantown Road - One of my all time favorites. But don't screw up - those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:14 PM To: Rob Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife Perhaps some fundamental difference between nanny state Germany and nanny state United States? That and the fact that the Nordschliefe is not really a race track anymore. You pays your money and you takes yer lap, regardless of what motor-driven contrivance you might choose to bring. People drive at similar speeds on the road that runs past my house in Portland (coincidentally, the infamous Germantown Road) with no helmet, harness and traffic coming the other way. Now that I think about it, I do too. On Jul 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Rob wrote: > How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tstrange at sbcglobal.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Jul 26 08:27:49 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:27:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 parts now FOT Autojumble Message-ID: <95e34.43258b17.397ef565@cs.com> FOT, Ed Barnard's mention of bringing TR3A in parts for sale............. This is a case for the FOT renting one vendor spot together and pooling your racing and street spares for an FOT Autojumble. There is an indication that there will a large amount of Triumph Club Activity, as well as 25 or so Racing Triumphs Tony Drews, Christian Marx, and I hope to show some New Product. Newly designed aluminum front hubs by Uncle Jack's Racing. A new seal design for the rear of the crank by Christian Marx. The AMBRO will be on display along with the V-8 version, the Dio Tipo 61. The new AMBRO Body Kit will be on display, also, shown by Bill Bonadio. (There are two available) The new and gorgeous SCARAB with aluminum body will also be on display. Of course the major sponsor O'Reilley Auto Parts will have a candy store under canvas. And more. Joe A From igofaster at att.net Mon Jul 26 08:44:09 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 07:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 & beyond In-Reply-To: <2d397.68cc8dc1.397d7e85@aol.com> References: <2d397.68cc8dc1.397d7e85@aol.com> Message-ID: <179552.85874.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I try really hard to support all vendors of Triumph stuff... even the little guys like Ted @ TSI ... even though Ted's on the tall side. I love Moss Motors easy shopping web pages much more than the stuff I have to wade through with Vicky Britt... We own a very nice TR6 we have spruced up the past couple of years. I've purchased a lot of stuff from Moss. HOWEVER... Moss's brand new parts catalog just came in the mail this week... I would like to know who in marketing figured out a Spitfire and a TR7 should be in the same catalog.... Moss offers NO listings that I can find for the lovely GT6's Tim, of which you and I both love. There has to be more GT6's running than TR7's... there just has to be... The difference between a TR7 and an onion? Nobody cries when you cut up a TR7.... Bobby Whitehead.... yes I stole that joke from a 6-pack guy... ________________________________ From: "GRMTim at aol.com" To: Group44TR7 at aol.com; GRMTim at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, July 25, 2010 6:48:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 & beyond Amen, Cary, Moss has already pulled much, if not all of their support for Buttonwillow and despite the great racing, great parties, and all the hoopla, like the Group 44 deal, both Moss and we at CMS are quite disapointed with the FOT participation at our Classic Motorsports Mitty event. Maybe I need to go race a Porsche. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 P.S. I was kidding about the Porsche. In a message dated 7/16/10 11:59:56 AM, Group44TR7 at aol.com writes: > Tim > > I appreciate all that you have attempted to do for Triumph owners > and in particular, the Triumph racing community. When it comes to the 60th > reunion that FOT selection should take into account your past and current > support. > > I felt particularly bad that I was unable to support your efforts > to get the Group 44 cars together because of all that you have done. > Unfortunately, the same considerations and constraints will probably keep me > from particpating in the 60th reunion if it was held at Mitty. > > Fot Members > > Similarly, Moss has in past sponsored a spring event at > Buttonwillow. I do not remember that event being an "official" annual FOT event, but > it seems like we are not supporting a vendor who is supporting us. Maybe > something can be worked out with Moss about an annual west coast event > (although I really do not like Buttonwillow) > > In the end, if we do not support those who are supporting us, > then we will lose their support. > > Thanks for listening - Cary > > > > > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Jul 26 09:16:13 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:16:13 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR7s & TR8s Message-ID: <99986.3bdb3034.397f00bd@cs.com> Bobby, TR7s and TR8s will be gaining in popularity for years to come, methinks. Restorations and modifications will make them better than they came out of factory. Which should be arguably easy. Our offspring will be driving them in VINTAGE EVENTS and they are already making appearances. Cherish them...they are our future in vintage racing for Triumphs. It will be tough, but I know you can do it. Remember: Bring your acoustic guitar to Heartland...perhaps there will someone who can do arrangements for Bagpipe and Guitar Duets. :-) > I try really hard to support all vendors of Triumph stuff... even the > little > guys like Ted @ TSI ... even though Ted's on the tall side. > I love Moss Motors easy shopping web pages much more than the stuff I have > to > wade through with Vicky Britt... > We own a very nice TR6 we have spruced up the past couple of years. I've > purchased a lot of stuff from Moss. > > HOWEVER... Moss's brand new parts catalog just came in the mail this > week... I > would like to know who in marketing figured out a Spitfire and a TR7 > should be > in the same catalog.... > > Moss offers NO listings that I can find for the lovely GT6's Tim, of which > you > and I both love. There has to be more GT6's running than TR7's... there > just has > to be... > > The difference between a TR7 and an onion? Nobody cries when you cut up a > TR7.... > > Bobby Whitehead.... yes I stole that joke from a 6-pack guy... > From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Jul 26 09:19:03 2010 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:19:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 parts now FOT Autojumble In-Reply-To: <95e34.43258b17.397ef565@cs.com> References: <95e34.43258b17.397ef565@cs.com> Message-ID: A pooled FOT vendor spot? How is this being managed? I'm going to be pretty busy all weekend and I wouldn't have time to tend to the booth, but the option of leaving a few things for whoever is tending the booth to sell for me sounds appealing. I think a sellers percentage donation to the FOT from items sold might be in order if something like this could be set up. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell We are as happy as we make up our minds to be. ~ Abraham Lincoln -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:28 AM To: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 parts now FOT Autojumble FOT, Ed Barnard's mention of bringing TR3A in parts for sale............. This is a case for the FOT renting one vendor spot together and pooling your racing and street spares for an FOT Autojumble. There is an indication that there will a large amount of Triumph Club Activity, as well as 25 or so Racing Triumphs Tony Drews, Christian Marx, and I hope to show some New Product. Newly designed aluminum front hubs by Uncle Jack's Racing. A new seal design for the rear of the crank by Christian Marx. The AMBRO will be on display along with the V-8 version, the Dio Tipo 61. The new AMBRO Body Kit will be on display, also, shown by Bill Bonadio. (There are two available) The new and gorgeous SCARAB with aluminum body will also be on display. Of course the major sponsor O'Reilley Auto Parts will have a candy store under canvas. And more. Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From billb at bnj.com Mon Jul 26 09:29:52 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 08:29:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <001901cb2c98$2a145da0$7e3d18e0$@com> References: <020272EF-962A-4D1C-965D-32905E70898E@bnj.com> <4DE981F9477F49D6B40A22FC38D7C928@TOSHIBALAPTOP> <001901cb2c98$2a145da0$7e3d18e0$@com> Message-ID: <462AB0FA-76DD-45B2-A0FD-890941FA26E4@bnj.com> A Doug Fir is a Douglass Fir--a large tree in the Northwest. They are very massive, they line the road I was talking about, and if you hit one nothing happens to the tree. On Jul 26, 2010, at 12:57 AM, MadMarx wrote: > This is something I don't understand: > > "those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move!" - What? > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Norlin Engineering > Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2010 01:54 > An: 'Bill Babcock'; 'Rob' > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife > > Germantown Road - One of my all time favorites. But don't screw up - those > 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move! > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:14 PM > To: Rob > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife > > > Perhaps some fundamental difference between nanny state Germany and nanny > state United States? That and the fact that the Nordschliefe is not really a > race track anymore. You pays your money and you takes yer lap, regardless of > what motor-driven contrivance you might choose to bring. People drive at > similar speeds on the road that runs past my house in Portland > (coincidentally, the infamous Germantown Road) with no helmet, harness and > traffic coming the other way. > > Now that I think about it, I do too. > > On Jul 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Rob wrote: > >> How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From cofrog at q.com Mon Jul 26 09:31:15 2010 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:31:15 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park In-Reply-To: <8CCFA5A46B9348C-1788-3C658@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCFA5A46B9348C-1788-3C658@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I have posted a blurb on RMVRs bulleten board regarding this event. > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:48:39 -0400 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park > > FOT, > > I ran into some RMVR members at Road America last weekend and talked to them > about Heartland Park. > > They said HP was discussed and planned to be on their racing schedule as there > is nothing else scheduled for August. > > But it didnt get on the schedule as someone didnt follow through. Is it too > late to spread the word to RMVR and CVAR? > > Entries are looking quite good for the Kastner Cup, but there is room for more > entries in other groups. > > Who can help? > > Thanks, > > Joe A. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From jmwagner at greenheart.com Mon Jul 26 09:46:12 2010 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 08:46:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs Message-ID: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> Last year I went to a Nissan/Datsun show (being a 240Z fan).... and I noticed this vender selling these very unique brake coolers. This lead to a conversation with the President of the company, Joe Demers, and the suggestion that he make them available for Triumphs. He followed through and has since developed the product for Triumphs. He just made me aware of this in the last week, so I haven't had an opportunity to order a pair for myself, but I plan to. These aren't snake oil. I think he really has a great product. I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. Let Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin ______________________________________________________________ Dr. Joseph R. Demers, President Four Products LLC 4821 Bakman Ave. Suite 305 North Hollywood, CA 91601 (P) (626) 636-0507 (F) (323) 856-6156 http://www.fourproducts.com/V_Triumph_TR.htm From mlcooknj at msn.com Mon Jul 26 09:49:21 2010 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:49:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7s & TR8s In-Reply-To: <99986.3bdb3034.397f00bd@cs.com> References: <99986.3bdb3034.397f00bd@cs.com> Message-ID: GOOD FOR YOU, JOE! Mike Cook > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:16:13 -0400 > To: igofaster at att.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR7s & TR8s > > Bobby, > > TR7s and TR8s will be gaining in popularity for years to come, methinks. > > Restorations and modifications will make them better than they came out of > factory. Which should be arguably easy. > > Our offspring will be driving them in VINTAGE EVENTS and they are already > making appearances. > > Cherish them...they are our future in vintage racing for Triumphs. It will > be tough, but I know you can do it. > > Remember: Bring your acoustic guitar to Heartland...perhaps there will > someone who can do arrangements for Bagpipe and Guitar Duets. > > :-) > > > > > > I try really hard to support all vendors of Triumph stuff... even the > > little > > guys like Ted @ TSI ... even though Ted's on the tall side. > > I love Moss Motors easy shopping web pages much more than the stuff I have > > to > > wade through with Vicky Britt... > > We own a very nice TR6 we have spruced up the past couple of years. I've > > purchased a lot of stuff from Moss. > > > > HOWEVER... Moss's brand new parts catalog just came in the mail this > > week... I > > would like to know who in marketing figured out a Spitfire and a TR7 > > should be > > in the same catalog.... > > > > Moss offers NO listings that I can find for the lovely GT6's Tim, of which > > you > > and I both love. There has to be more GT6's running than TR7's... there > > just has > > to be... > > > > The difference between a TR7 and an onion? Nobody cries when you cut up a > > TR7.... > > > > Bobby Whitehead.... yes I stole that joke from a 6-pack guy... > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 26 09:52:27 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:52:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 parts now FOT Autojumble In-Reply-To: References: <95e34.43258b17.397ef565@cs.com> Message-ID: <8CCFAF1ADF3C986-1730-7A@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> Tag the stuff and where you are at in the paddock. We will have somebody around most of the time.....this is an informal proposal on my part with no real plan. The area is 10 x 20 per vendor spot. I already have 10 x 40...maybe I can add another space and combine it. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Kramer, Robert To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 10:19 am Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3 parts now FOT Autojumble A pooled FOT vendor spot? How is this being managed? I'm going to be pretty busy ll weekend and I wouldn't have time to tend to the booth, but the option of eaving a few things for whoever is tending the booth to sell for me sounds ppealing. I think a sellers percentage donation to the FOT from items sold ight be in order if something like this could be set up. Bob Kramer ales Manager DO Equipment Company 6415 N. IH 35 flugerville, TX 78660 12-272-4141 Office 12-657-8526 Cell e are as happy as we make up our minds to be. ~ Abraham Lincoln -----Original Message----- rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf f N197TR4 at cs.com ent: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:28 AM o: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net; fot at autox.team.net ubject: Re: [Fot] TR3 parts now FOT Autojumble FOT, Ed Barnard's mention of bringing TR3A in parts for sale............. This is a case for the FOT renting one vendor spot together and pooling our racing and street spares for an FOT Autojumble. There is an indication that there will a large amount of Triumph Club ctivity, as well as 25 or so Racing Triumphs Tony Drews, Christian Marx, and I hope to show some New Product. Newly designed aluminum front hubs by Uncle Jack's Racing. A new seal design for the rear of the crank by Christian Marx. The AMBRO will be on display along with the V-8 version, the Dio Tipo 61. he new AMBRO Body Kit will be on display, also, shown by Bill Bonadio. There are two available) The new and gorgeous SCARAB with aluminum body will also be on display. Of ourse the major sponsor O'Reilley Auto Parts will have a candy store under anvas. And more. Joe A ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From Triosan at gmail.com Mon Jul 26 10:01:26 2010 From: Triosan at gmail.com (Triosan at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:01:26 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <462AB0FA-76DD-45B2-A0FD-890941FA26E4@bnj.com> Message-ID: <90e6ba53aae2304502048c4c7f66@google.com> And if his speedo is in MPH at one point it was hitting 124! Helmet and seatbelt would not help there! On Jul 26, 2010 4:29pm, Bill Babcock wrote: > A Doug Fir is a Douglass Fir--a large tree in the Northwest. They are very > massive, they line the road I was talking about, and if you hit one > nothing > happens to the tree. > On Jul 26, 2010, at 12:57 AM, MadMarx wrote: > > This is something I don't understand: > > > > "those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move!" - What? > > > > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > > Auftrag von Norlin Engineering > > Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2010 01:54 > > An: 'Bill Babcock'; 'Rob' > > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife > > > > Germantown Road - One of my all time favorites. But don't screw up - > those > > 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:14 PM > > To: Rob > > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife > > > > > > Perhaps some fundamental difference between nanny state Germany and > nanny > > state United States? That and the fact that the Nordschliefe is not > really > a > > race track anymore. You pays your money and you takes yer lap, > regardless > of > > what motor-driven contrivance you might choose to bring. People drive at > > similar speeds on the road that runs past my house in Portland > > (coincidentally, the infamous Germantown Road) with no helmet, harness > and > > traffic coming the other way. > > > > Now that I think about it, I do too. > > > > On Jul 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Rob wrote: > > > >> How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Jul 26 10:35:10 2010 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:35:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs In-Reply-To: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> References: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> Message-ID: Will those even clear the wheels? Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Wagner To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:46 AM Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs Last year I went to a Nissan/Datsun show (being a 240Z fan).... and I noticed this vender selling these very unique brake coolers. This lead to a conversation with the President of the company, Joe Demers, and the suggestion that he make them available for Triumphs. He followed through and has since developed the product for Triumphs. He just made me aware of this in the last week, so I haven't had an opportunity to order a pair for myself, but I plan to. These aren't snake oil. I think he really has a great product. I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. Let Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin ______________________________________________________________ Dr. Joseph R. Demers, President Four Products LLC 4821 Bakman Ave. Suite 305 North Hollywood, CA 91601 (P) (626) 636-0507 (F) (323) 856-6156 http://www.fourproducts.com/V_Triumph_TR.htm _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard at msn.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Jul 26 10:45:56 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:45:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: Nordschleife Message-ID: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2290/2459037064_d8db9b7f4a.jpg Sorry Chris Germantown Road is a very twisty up (or down) hill two lane road through old growth Douglas Fir forest. The trees are within a few feet of the side of the road. Click on the link above to get an idea of the size of these trees. From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jul 26 11:01:21 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:01:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 & beyond In-Reply-To: <179552.85874.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <2d397.68cc8dc1.397d7e85@aol.com> <179552.85874.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <08A5095CBEFF4FDBA816DBF341BC7294@joepentiumnew> More than that, I have always wondered why MOSS doesn't recognize any Spitfires prior to the MkIV. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 7:44 AM To: GRMTim at aol.com Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 & beyond I try really hard to support all vendors of Triumph stuff... even the little guys like Ted @ TSI ... even though Ted's on the tall side. I love Moss Motors easy shopping web pages much more than the stuff I have to wade through with Vicky Britt... We own a very nice TR6 we have spruced up the past couple of years. I've purchased a lot of stuff from Moss. HOWEVER... Moss's brand new parts catalog just came in the mail this week... I would like to know who in marketing figured out a Spitfire and a TR7 should be in the same catalog.... Moss offers NO listings that I can find for the lovely GT6's Tim, of which you and I both love. There has to be more GT6's running than TR7's... there just has to be... The difference between a TR7 and an onion? Nobody cries when you cut up a TR7.... Bobby Whitehead.... yes I stole that joke from a 6-pack guy... From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jul 26 11:01:39 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:01:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <462AB0FA-76DD-45B2-A0FD-890941FA26E4@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20100726130139.ICKDX.179028.imail@fed1rmwml37> When I raced at the old Pebble Beach course through the DelMonte forest it was lined with trees about 14 inches in diameter. Very unforgiving. I remember a "D" Jag tried to cut one off just past start finish on the left hand side about 3' up. He failed as I remember. (circa 1956) Yes, there were cars then and they even had rubber tires. :-) ---- Bill Babcock wrote: ============= A Doug Fir is a Douglass Fir--a large tree in the Northwest. They are very massive, they line the road I was talking about, and if you hit one nothing happens to the tree. On Jul 26, 2010, at 12:57 AM, MadMarx wrote: > This is something I don't understand: > > "those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move!" - What? > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Norlin Engineering > Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2010 01:54 > An: 'Bill Babcock'; 'Rob' > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife > > Germantown Road - One of my all time favorites. But don't screw up - those > 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move! > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:14 PM > To: Rob > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife > > > Perhaps some fundamental difference between nanny state Germany and nanny > state United States? That and the fact that the Nordschliefe is not really a > race track anymore. You pays your money and you takes yer lap, regardless of > what motor-driven contrivance you might choose to bring. People drive at > similar speeds on the road that runs past my house in Portland > (coincidentally, the infamous Germantown Road) with no helmet, harness and > traffic coming the other way. > > Now that I think about it, I do too. > > On Jul 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Rob wrote: > >> How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jul 26 11:07:27 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:07:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs In-Reply-To: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <20100726130727.C8IPQ.179122.imail@fed1rmwml37> Looks like a good piece if it clears everything. Chris Marx has made a set of wings for the front calipers and they are featured in my upcoming 2010 Triumph book. Simple stuff you can make at home with sheet copper. Good stuff that works. ---- Justin Wagner wrote: ============= Last year I went to a Nissan/Datsun show (being a 240Z fan).... and I noticed this vender selling these very unique brake coolers. This lead to a conversation with the President of the company, Joe Demers, and the suggestion that he make them available for Triumphs. He followed through and has since developed the product for Triumphs. He just made me aware of this in the last week, so I haven't had an opportunity to order a pair for myself, but I plan to. These aren't snake oil. I think he really has a great product. I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. Let Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin ______________________________________________________________ Dr. Joseph R. Demers, President Four Products LLC 4821 Bakman Ave. Suite 305 North Hollywood, CA 91601 (P) (626) 636-0507 (F) (323) 856-6156 http://www.fourproducts.com/V_Triumph_TR.htm _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From REK46 at aol.com Mon Jul 26 12:58:21 2010 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs Message-ID: <9ee55.bc31eed.397f34cd@aol.com> will they clear Revolution Wheels on a GT-6 ? In a message dated 7/26/2010 12:59:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tlizzard at msn.com writes: Will those even clear the wheels? Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Wagner To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:46 AM Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs Last year I went to a Nissan/Datsun show (being a 240Z fan).... and I noticed this vender selling these very unique brake coolers. This lead to a conversation with the President of the company, Joe Demers, and the suggestion that he make them available for Triumphs. He followed through and has since developed the product for Triumphs. He just made me aware of this in the last week, so I haven't had an opportunity to order a pair for myself, but I plan to. These aren't snake oil. I think he really has a great product. I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. Let Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin ______________________________________________________________ Dr. Joseph R. Demers, President Four Products LLC 4821 Bakman Ave. Suite 305 North Hollywood, CA 91601 (P) (626) 636-0507 (F) (323) 856-6156 http://www.fourproducts.com/V_Triumph_TR.htm _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From jmwagner at tstonramp.com Mon Jul 26 12:00:19 2010 From: jmwagner at tstonramp.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:00:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs In-Reply-To: References: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <3C62B6C7-8C34-49D9-BD5C-AA21C3BDACE5@tstonramp.com> He did some sort of research and thinks they do... But this is where FOT could be helpful... Buy his product and provide feedback. (just as this group did in the early days of my gasket development). --Justin On Jul 26, 2010, at 9:35 AM, "Terry Stetler" wrote: > Will those even clear the wheels? > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Justin Wagner > To: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:46 AM > Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs > > Last year I went to a Nissan/Datsun show (being a 240Z fan).... and I > noticed this vender selling these very unique brake coolers. This > lead > to a conversation with the President of the company, Joe Demers, and > the suggestion that he make them available for Triumphs. He followed > through and has since developed the product for Triumphs. He just > made > me aware of this in the last week, so I haven't had an opportunity to > order a pair for myself, but I plan to. These aren't snake oil. I > think he really has a great product. > > I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. > Let > Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Dr. Joseph R. Demers, President > Four Products LLC > 4821 Bakman Ave. > Suite 305 > North Hollywood, CA 91601 > > (P) (626) 636-0507 > (F) (323) 856-6156 > > > > http://www.fourproducts.com/V_Triumph_TR.htm > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > tlizzard at msn.com From REK46 at aol.com Mon Jul 26 14:32:49 2010 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs Message-ID: I would like to see him provide more spec detail, like how they attach, where, and how much they 'stand-off' the caliper, and particularly, where they stan -off...on the GT-6 cals, there is a big difference in the pad area versus the piston area and ends from the wheel on a racing Spit with Gt-6 frt susp and Rev wheels which are far from stoack clearances in the offsets inward In a message dated 7/26/2010 4:11:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jmwagner at tstonramp.com writes: He did some sort of research and thinks they do... But this is where FOT could be helpful... Buy his product and provide feedback. (just as this group did in the early days of my gasket development). --Justin On Jul 26, 2010, at 9:35 AM, "Terry Stetler" wrote: > Will those even clear the wheels? > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Justin Wagner > To: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:46 AM > Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs > > Last year I went to a Nissan/Datsun show (being a 240Z fan).... and I > noticed this vender selling these very unique brake coolers. This > lead > to a conversation with the President of the company, Joe Demers, and > the suggestion that he make them available for Triumphs. He followed > through and has since developed the product for Triumphs. He just > made > me aware of this in the last week, so I haven't had an opportunity to > order a pair for myself, but I plan to. These aren't snake oil. I > think he really has a great product. > > I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. > Let > Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Dr. Joseph R. Demers, President > Four Products LLC > 4821 Bakman Ave. > Suite 305 > North Hollywood, CA 91601 > > (P) (626) 636-0507 > (F) (323) 856-6156 > > > > http://www.fourproducts.com/V_Triumph_TR.htm > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > tlizzard at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jul 26 20:48:47 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:48:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Autojumble booth at Heartland Message-ID: <4C4E490F.5030602@bradakis.com> Gosh, Joe, could this be what you were thinking of when you said something about putting me to work? I haven't read any of the responses yet, this is just my initial reaction. It seems like a great idea, having a common area for the average FOT folks to peddle some of their wares. With luck, we could put Ted S. out of business! [ Sorry Ted, I couldn't resist. ] I'd be willing to spend a fair bit of time in such a booth. If a laptop or some such with a working net connection were to appear, I could even make use of my Fat Chance Garage merchant account to accept credit cards for the sale of various bits, like some rusty crap I could drag out there, or push to get Kas some extra bucks by charging a premium price for a set of his books with a generic autograph, or whatever. At any rate, I just finished my shrimp and pasta dinner, will check further email, maybe have more to say later. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jul 26 20:53:36 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:53:36 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR7s & TR8s In-Reply-To: <99986.3bdb3034.397f00bd@cs.com> References: <99986.3bdb3034.397f00bd@cs.com> Message-ID: <4C4E4A30.20303@bradakis.com> N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > Bobby, > > TR7s and TR8s will be gaining in popularity for years to come, methinks. > > Restorations and modifications will make them better than they came out of > factory. Which should be arguably easy. > > I've got an early 7 coupe out back, Chris K. knows about some of the work we put into it. I had sort of planned on having it be the vehicle I drove to this year's Kup, no such luck. Maybe next year. > Remember: Bring your acoustic guitar to Heartland...perhaps there will > someone who can do arrangements for Bagpipe and Guitar Duets. > > :-) > > > I will be bringing along some of my harmonicas. I promise to keep them locked in the glove box once I get there. mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 26 21:06:24 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:06:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Autojumble booth at Heartland In-Reply-To: <4C4E490F.5030602@bradakis.com> References: <4C4E490F.5030602@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CCFB4FD4A374A7-1550-58D2@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> I am shooting from the hip on this. No specific plan or expectations. I seems like a good idea and perhaps one that can be ongoing in the future. If I brought some stuff and you sold it for me, I would share. I am bringing some product, too, but no specific plan to be a vendor with a cash register. I dont want to be tied down to a booth and neither do you. Lets play this by ear. I have two spaces.....Ed, Bob, Ken, you, and I have an interest in doing something... Let's think about.....btw, what's a Franklin Quick Change rear end worth? It is in a TR250/TR6 chassis with rear disc brakes :-) -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: FoT Triumph Sent: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:48 pm Subject: [Fot] Autojumble booth at Heartland Gosh, Joe, could this be what you were thinking of when you said something about putting me to work? I haven't read any of the responses yet, this is just my initial reaction. It seems like a great idea, having a common area for the average FOT folks to peddle some of their wares. With luck, we could put Ted S. out of business! [ Sorry Ted, I couldn't resist. ] I'd be willing to spend a fair bit of time in such a booth. If a laptop or some such with a working net connection were to appear, I could even make use of my Fat Chance Garage merchant account to accept credit cards for the sale of various bits, like some rusty crap I could drag out there, or push to get Kas some extra bucks by charging a premium price for a set of his books with a generic autograph, or whatever. At any rate, I just finished my shrimp and pasta dinner, will check further email, maybe have more to say later. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 26 21:12:18 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:12:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] music at heartland In-Reply-To: <4C4E4A30.20303@bradakis.com> References: <99986.3bdb3034.397f00bd@cs.com> <4C4E4A30.20303@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CCFB50A7FDA331-1550-5A01@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> so far........ acoustic guitar, harmonicas, bagpipes, and a dulcimer. some drums and a fife and we could march on the capital we could make some real noise. anyone else? From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Mon Jul 26 21:29:34 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg Lunker Hilyer) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:29:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Rent-a kid? FOT Autojumble In-Reply-To: <95e34.43258b17.397ef565@cs.com> References: <95e34.43258b17.397ef565@cs.com> Message-ID: <9EE6356A-0DB1-446D-A33B-BA7EBDE21657@earthlink.net> I'd be happy to share a vendor spot with other FoT. Anybody got a kid for rent? I too don't want to be tied down but would be happy to share with a caretaker. And... 7 days until the T-shirt order cut-off date. Get your orders in. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jul 26, 2010, at 8:27 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT, > > Ed Barnard's mention of bringing TR3A in parts for sale............. > > This is a case for the FOT renting one vendor spot together and > pooling > your racing and street spares for an FOT Autojumble. > > There is an indication that there will a large amount of Triumph Club > Activity, as well as 25 or so Racing Triumphs > > Tony Drews, Christian Marx, and I hope to show some New Product. > > Newly designed aluminum front hubs by Uncle Jack's Racing. > A new seal design for the rear of the crank by Christian Marx. > > The AMBRO will be on display along with the V-8 version, the Dio > Tipo 61. > The new AMBRO Body Kit will be on display, also, shown by Bill > Bonadio. > (There are two available) > > The new and gorgeous SCARAB with aluminum body will also be on > display. Of > course the major sponsor O'Reilley Auto Parts will have a candy > store under > canvas. > > And more. > > Joe A > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Jul 26 21:54:22 2010 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] music at heartland In-Reply-To: <8CCFB50A7FDA331-1550-5A01@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <965998.66809.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If I could get someone to strap a piano on their back I'll march with that group. -Ed- --- On Mon, 7/26/10, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: From: n197tr4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] music at heartland To: mark at bradakis.com, fot at autox.team.net Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 10:12 PM so far........ acoustic guitar, harmonicas, bagpipes, and a dulcimer. some drums and a fife and we could march on the capital we could make some real noise. anyone else? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Tue Jul 27 02:58:03 2010 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:58:03 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Looking for a car Message-ID: Friends A mate of mine is looking to get into racing a Triumph and is looking to buy a TR250 to import to Aus . Does anyone know of a good strait body and chassis . All the mechanicals will be rebuilt so they are not as important as the body and chassis , Has to have full trim also Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Jul 27 05:13:26 2010 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 07:13:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rent-a kid? FOT Autojumble References: <95e34.43258b17.397ef565@cs.com> <9EE6356A-0DB1-446D-A33B-BA7EBDE21657@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002001cb2d7c$bcaf70c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi Greg, I may or not go to OP. If I do, it'll be a western trip; you know, spur of the moment! I'm very busy with my house, farm, and that pesky job. My new trailer is great, though. Did I tell you I'm a socialist? Yup. Next Jan. I'll be getting SOCIAL security! Can't believe it. That proposed race at Laguna Seca next year sounds exciting; a trip of a lifetime for me. I want a shirt, let me know where to send the funds. Back to work. Bill By the way, are you taking your paddock hound to OP? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Lunker Hilyer" To: ; "fot Triumph" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:29 PM Subject: [Fot] Rent-a kid? FOT Autojumble > I'd be happy to share a vendor spot with other FoT. Anybody got a > kid for rent? I too don't want to be tied down but would be happy to > share with a caretaker. > And... 7 days until the T-shirt order cut-off date. Get your orders in. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > > > On Jul 26, 2010, at 8:27 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > FOT, > > > > Ed Barnard's mention of bringing TR3A in parts for sale............. > > > > This is a case for the FOT renting one vendor spot together and > > pooling > > your racing and street spares for an FOT Autojumble. > > > > There is an indication that there will a large amount of Triumph Club > > Activity, as well as 25 or so Racing Triumphs > > > > Tony Drews, Christian Marx, and I hope to show some New Product. > > > > Newly designed aluminum front hubs by Uncle Jack's Racing. > > A new seal design for the rear of the crank by Christian Marx. > > > > The AMBRO will be on display along with the V-8 version, the Dio > > Tipo 61. > > The new AMBRO Body Kit will be on display, also, shown by Bill > > Bonadio. > > (There are two available) > > > > The new and gorgeous SCARAB with aluminum body will also be on > > display. Of > > course the major sponsor O'Reilley Auto Parts will have a candy > > store under > > canvas. > > > > And more. > > > > Joe A > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin3 at verizon.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 27 07:09:59 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 09:09:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rent-a kid? FOT Autojumble In-Reply-To: <002001cb2d7c$bcaf70c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <95e34.43258b17.397ef565@cs.com><9EE6356A-0DB1-446D-A33B-BA7EBDE21657@earthlink.net> <002001cb2d7c$bcaf70c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <8CCFBA4265E03C6-2210-819F@webmail-m064.sysops.aol.com> Bill, You need to come to Heartland Park, one way or another. Some are flying in. I sense something very special about this event. Joe -----Original Message----- From: WILLIAM TOBIN To: Greg Lunker Hilyer ; N197TR4 at cs.com; fot Triumph Sent: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:13 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Rent-a kid? FOT Autojumble Hi Greg, I may or not go to OP. If I do, it'll be a western trip; you now, spur of the moment! I'm very busy with my house, farm, and that pesky job. My new trailer is reat, though. Did I tell you I'm a socialist? Yup. Next Jan. I'll be getting SOCIAL ecurity! Can't believe it. That proposed race at Laguna Seca next year sounds exciting; a trip of a ifetime for me. I want a shirt, let me know where to send the funds. Back to work. Bill By the way, are you taking your paddock hound to OP? ----- Original essage ----- From: "Greg Lunker Hilyer" To: ; "fot Triumph" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:29 PM Subject: [Fot] Rent-a kid? FOT Autojumble > I'd be happy to share a vendor spot with other FoT. Anybody got a > kid for rent? I too don't want to be tied down but would be happy to > share with a caretaker. > And... 7 days until the T-shirt order cut-off date. Get your orders in. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > > > On Jul 26, 2010, at 8:27 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > FOT, > > > > Ed Barnard's mention of bringing TR3A in parts for sale............. > > > > This is a case for the FOT renting one vendor spot together and > > pooling > > your racing and street spares for an FOT Autojumble. > > > > There is an indication that there will a large amount of Triumph Club > > Activity, as well as 25 or so Racing Triumphs > > > > Tony Drews, Christian Marx, and I hope to show some New Product. > > > > Newly designed aluminum front hubs by Uncle Jack's Racing. > > A new seal design for the rear of the crank by Christian Marx. > > > > The AMBRO will be on display along with the V-8 version, the Dio > > Tipo 61. > > The new AMBRO Body Kit will be on display, also, shown by Bill > > Bonadio. > > (There are two available) > > > > The new and gorgeous SCARAB with aluminum body will also be on > > display. Of > > course the major sponsor O'Reilley Auto Parts will have a candy > > store under > > canvas. > > > > And more. > > > > Joe A > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin3 at verizon.net From igofaster at att.net Tue Jul 27 08:43:28 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 07:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] music at heartland In-Reply-To: <8CCFB50A7FDA331-1550-5A01@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> References: <99986.3bdb3034.397f00bd@cs.com> <4C4E4A30.20303@bradakis.com> <8CCFB50A7FDA331-1550-5A01@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <866580.600.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> that better say acoustic guitars, PLURAL... I charge extra if I have to entertain anybody but myself. According to my wife, I'm easily entertained though... (read:cheap) I guess a few guys and gals heard me wailing on my guitar camped out with CVAR. If it's warm I'll set outside my trailer and sing into the metal door.. it gives me a little reverb and volume I can hear... of course, this is all after dark so I don't embarrass myself... Bobby ________________________________ From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" To: mark at bradakis.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, July 26, 2010 10:12:18 PM Subject: [Fot] music at heartland so far........ acoustic guitar, harmonicas, bagpipes, and a dulcimer. some drums and a fife and we could march on the capital we could make some real noise. anyone else? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 27 09:02:53 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:02:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Music at Heartland In-Reply-To: <866580.600.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <99986.3bdb3034.397f00bd@cs.com> <4C4E4A30.20303@bradakis.com> <8CCFB50A7FDA331-1550-5A01@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> <866580.600.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CCFBB3EC88C43C-197C-A377@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com> 'Bobby Guitar', With you younger folks it will get dark and late and very cool on Saturday nite. By then everyone will sound good and look good........ The older drivers will appear in the morning refreshed and ready. By then Age & Treachery has set in at full chat. Joe Alexander that better say acoustic guitars, PLURAL... I charge extra if I have to entertain anybody but myself. According to my wife, I'm easily entertained though... (read:cheap) I guess a few guys and gals heard me wailing on my guitar camped out with CVAR. If it's warm I'll set outside my trailer and sing into the metal door.. it gives me a little reverb and volume I can hear... of course, this is all after dark so I don't embarrass myself... Bobby From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" To: mark at bradakis.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, July 26, 2010 10:12:18 PM Subject: [Fot] music at heartland so far........ acoustic guitar, harmonicas, bagpipes, and a dulcimer. some drums and a fife and we could march on the capital we could make some real noise. anyone else? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From jmwagner at greenheart.com Tue Jul 27 13:50:18 2010 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:50:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Message-ID: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> FOT, In private email, I've been accused by a member of "posting trash" by sharing news that this guy I met at a car show has developed a product, as a result of my encouragement, for TR's. He also accused me of likely having a financial interest in making the post. (I do not.) He made it clear that such posts do not have a place on FOT and promised to call me on any future posts of the same ilk. He was also bitter that I had not coordinated some sort of discount for FOT or even some free products for members, to see if they will, indeed, fit and work on their cars. (Considering that the developer was probably only able to check to see if it fit a stock car with stock wheels, and probably not all of the Triumph range.) Never mind, that all I was doing was drawing members' attention to a web site and a potential product that might provide a competitive edge. I never claimed to be directly working with the seller. Personally, I just saw a product that looked good and was happy to see that the developer had taken my lead and is trying to make them available for our small niche market. I pointed my finger at his web site and provided a means of contacting the president of the company. From my perspective, all of you were welcome to evaluate the information on his web site and make direct contact with the vender if you had questions or wanted some consideration for trying it out on an unknown wheel size, etc. I'm not part of that loop and I don't care to be. I made no personal claims about the product other than sharing that I was impressed enough by his display at a show to encourage him to make the product for our cars. Even Kas commented "Looks like a good piece if it clears everything." upon looking at the website. So he saw promise in the product as I did. When my TR4A is back on the road, I will give the product a try. So I have some questions for the group.... Was my post inappropriate? In the future, if a member comes across a cool looking product, should he keep it to himself or only share it in private e-mails to friends? (As opposed to "Friends of Triumphs"???) If a member comes across a cool product, should he only bring it to the attention to the group, if, in his own time, he has personally tested the product and/or has managed to broker some special deal for FOT to get them at a discount? Is that the duty of a member here and the rule of the day for making such posts? It has blown my mind, on the newsgroups over the years, the issues that bring people to post vile responses to an innocent post or send private nasty-grams in e-mail. I was always cautious about selling my gaskets on the newsgroup and have always kept my posts (regarding my own products) minimal. Unlike many, I don't even put a link to my website at the bottom of my posts. However, my experience in developing those gaskets makes me particularly supportive of other entrepreneurs that develop products for our cars. It's a small market with a lot of people that cry out for the development of products, but then, many don't step up to the plate to make a purchase when it's available. It's difficult. It's a small market that most don't enter to become rich, but rather, to be in a position to earn earn a little money from one of their favorite hobbies. For a few, they're able to expand and go somewhere with a product line. For others, it may never have been intended to be anything more than a weekend hobby business or small retirement business. I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of some guidelines. I wonder what a group like this is for, if drawing attention to a product specifically being made for our cars, is crossing some sort of line. --Justin Wagner From jgambony at gcecisp.com Tue Jul 27 14:05:12 2010 From: jgambony at gcecisp.com (Jim Gambony) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:05:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs In-Reply-To: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> References: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <93EEC987EE454270A60B1DDBBF77F823@jrg> Justin, When looking at the website, the seller states that "Triumph TR Series : 1953 to 1976 (Front) Fade Stop Brake Cooler fitment has not been verified for this vehicle!" So... Do they need FOT to do evaluation testing? Is that why you brought it to the list's attention? The asking price is $99 plus tax and shipping. Any break for someone testing them? Just curious. Kind of steep for a simple heat sink. Gives me an idea though ;) Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 DM Spitfire And a barn full of toys -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Justin Wagner Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 10:46 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs Last year I went to a Nissan/Datsun show (being a 240Z fan).... and I noticed this vender selling these very unique brake coolers. This lead to a conversation with the President of the company, Joe Demers, and the suggestion that he make them available for Triumphs. He followed through and has since developed the product for Triumphs. He just made me aware of this in the last week, so I haven't had an opportunity to order a pair for myself, but I plan to. These aren't snake oil. I think he really has a great product. I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. Let Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin ______________________________________________________________ Dr. Joseph R. Demers, President Four Products LLC 4821 Bakman Ave. Suite 305 North Hollywood, CA 91601 (P) (626) 636-0507 (F) (323) 856-6156 http://www.fourproducts.com/V_Triumph_TR.htm _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jgambony at gcecisp.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.839 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2971 - Release Date: 06/29/10 13:35:00 From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jul 27 14:11:14 2010 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:11:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Message-ID: <524653.76815.qm@smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I say Yes, even if you have an interest as long as it is stated and it is Triumph related. Paul Like all the other posts that we get, if you don't like it hit delete...before you type out a crapgram. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Justin Wagner Sent: July 27, 2010 3:50 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? FOT, I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of some guidelines. I wonder what a group like this is for, if drawing attention to a product specifically being made for our cars, is crossing some sort of line. --Justin Wagner _______________________________________________ From s.janzen at comcast.net Tue Jul 27 14:27:49 2010 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:27:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: I am on this list to learn from others and for the entertainment value. I think it's helpful to hear about an unusual product or a great deal on a car or parts - I bought a TR4 roller this year because Joe posted its availability to this group. Was that posting inappropriate? I don't see that your posting is any different. Do I want to hear about something Moss or Victoria British is offering - no , I can find that on my own. Something unique or low volume is of interest, however, and I think the product you mentioned fits the racing criteria for this group as well. Specially constructed products for our 40+ year old cars is a niche market. I'm happy that people continue to come up with better ways to repair and improve our old cars, and I'm inclined to agree that it's more of a hobby than a big profit center (probably answers someone's question from the other day of why Moss doesn't have a catalog for the early Spits - there's so few left that there's no money in it). Sorry someone dumped on you. I look at the subject and hit the delete button if I'm not interested. I think you were clear that you had no financial interest, and were passing along something you thought was neat but could not vouch for. Discounts? See my comment about hobbyist production. If you think it's too expensive, make it yourself or don't buy it. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Jul 27 14:29:11 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:29:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs In-Reply-To: <93EEC987EE454270A60B1DDBBF77F823@jrg> References: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> <93EEC987EE454270A60B1DDBBF77F823@jrg> Message-ID: <01a901cb2dca$62637500$272a5f00$@rr.com> > Kind of steep for a simple heat sink. Gives me an idea though ;) If you are looking for ideas, I saw something interesting on the wife's non-LBC the other day. It has a plate near the disc, much like the original "dust shields" on TRs. The difference is that the bottom edge of the plate extends down so it almost touches the wheel, and has an angled scoop that follows the inside of the wheel. I think it's clear that the scoop is supposed to pick up the layer of air that is moving with the wheel, and direct it up across the inner surface of the disc for additional cooling. -- Randall From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Jul 27 14:42:15 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:42:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? References: <524653.76815.qm@smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <77971E0E7C31429399795CEA7402F51E@latitudefb1e41> Justin, Your subject line says Commerical Posts - YES or NO?....and then the posting goes on to wonder if drawing attention to a specific product is crossing some sort of line. With those statements you can get both yes and no answers with writers meaning the same thing. I think Paul meant NO, it is not crossing some sort of line, so YES to commercial posts (correct me if I am wrong). I would say MAYBE! Product development shared with others in the FOT has been helpfull to many of us over the years but an open door to everyday blatent Commercial Postings could and would offend many. I think whoever wrote that private note to you made the assumption that your's was one of those types. List members developed the Southwick axle conversion, uprated front stub axles and hubs and other beneficial products like a valve cover gasket. The products were shared individually to known interested parties during development and later they went public. I think many people on the list prefer this low key, minimal approach, but sometimes a product or service comes out that might benefit us all right away. I bought 24 quarts of 20w50 VR1 after someone on the list posted that AutoZone had them on sale for $2.00 each. I wouldn't have known about that and I appreciated the post. TYVM. I hope the guy didn't work for AutoZone :( Anyhow, I think the answer to commercial posts can't be defined as yes or know. It has to be defined in its purpose. Is the post designed to help your friends that love racing Triumphs? Post it. Everyone may not agree with what I have written but by that standard I think your post was fine. IMHO Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "macdonaldp" To: "'Justin Wagner'" ; "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? >I say Yes, even if you have an interest as long as it is stated and it is > Triumph related. > > Paul > > Like all the other posts that we get, if you don't like it hit > delete...before you type out a crapgram. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Justin Wagner > Sent: July 27, 2010 3:50 PM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? > > FOT, > > > I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of > some guidelines. I wonder what a group like this is for, if drawing > attention to a product specifically being made for our cars, is crossing > some sort of line. > > --Justin Wagner > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Jul 27 14:44:11 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:44:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <01aa01cb2dcc$788d5e20$69a81a60$@rr.com> > I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of > some guidelines. My opinion : This is MJB's forum, he gets first chance at dictating any rules or guidelines. Presumably, these apply: http://www.team.net/www/corp-use.html IMO, Justin's post fit perfectly within those stated guidelines. In addition, I feel it was exactly the sort of information that *I* would like to see posted; even though I am not particularly interested in trying the product. In this case, he had no financial interest; but I also welcome posts even from those with a financial interest, as long as the item is novel or not likely to be known to the majority of the group, and relevant to Triumph racing. Justin's announcement of his excellent silicone rocker cover gaskets a few years back comes to mind as a perfect example of a desirable "commercial" post. Unless your off-list message came from MJB himself (and I'm confident it did not), then I would write it off to "you can't please all the people all the time". IMO, NFI, YMMV, etc. -- Randall From jgambony at gcecisp.com Tue Jul 27 14:50:42 2010 From: jgambony at gcecisp.com (Jim Gambony) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:50:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <092ED5A736BC48CCB77F30EF947C59C2@jrg> Justin, I never had a problem with your posting the product, only that you endorsed it then suggested that it might not actually work on a TR. Why endorse it then? And the line " I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. Let Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin" Implies that there is a financial interest on your part. Just be up front. Then there's no objection. Cheers, Jim Dallas Spitfire(s) From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jul 27 14:54:44 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:54:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> <092ED5A736BC48CCB77F30EF947C59C2@jrg> Message-ID: <6060548F1AA9425690FD950A08399B34@Bud> I think I'm gonna watch Clarkson drive the Reliant Robin now.(:>).......RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gambony" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? > Justin, > > I never had a problem with your posting the product, only that you > endorsed > it then suggested that it might not actually work on a TR. Why endorse it > then? > > And the line " > I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. Let > Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin" > > Implies that there is a financial interest on your part. > > > Just be up front. Then there's no objection. > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > Spitfire(s) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From adams910 at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 15:05:41 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:05:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: Seemed in line to me. More in line than 2/3's of the messages on this list which having nothing to do with anything racing Triumphs. Heck the fact that this conversation is taking place and will get the response it will get makes my point. Last week I tried to have a discussion concerning what is a very relevant Triumph racing topic and no one really had anything to add except Terry Setler (thanks Terry). Even if you disagreed with what I was saying, at least say something and present your viewpoint. Those who know me know I'm not a Triumph guy and serve as a "go between" since I happen to check my email more frequently than the rest of the crew. Having my inbox fill up over nothing is old and uninteresting. Maybe if the FOT ever makes it to a bb/forum format I might pop in here and there, but I'm bailing on the list. Can't say I ever understood the whole FOT "club" anyway. Triumphs are common people's cars, open it up to the public. I know a few sharp racing people who would probably chime in from time to time, but are totally uninterested in the current format. My. 02 Later From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jul 27 15:25:30 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:25:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <227A281B9E4446E4BBD616FE8C2CEE3F@joepentiumnew> Sounds to me like that is best for everybody! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Adams Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:06 PM To: Justin Wagner Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Seemed in line to me. More in line than 2/3's of the messages on this list which having nothing to do with anything racing Triumphs. Heck the fact that this conversation is taking place and will get the response it will get makes my point. Last week I tried to have a discussion concerning what is a very relevant Triumph racing topic and no one really had anything to add except Terry Setler (thanks Terry). Even if you disagreed with what I was saying, at least say something and present your viewpoint. Those who know me know I'm not a Triumph guy and serve as a "go between" since I happen to check my email more frequently than the rest of the crew. Having my inbox fill up over nothing is old and uninteresting. Maybe if the FOT ever makes it to a bb/forum format I might pop in here and there, but I'm bailing on the list. Can't say I ever understood the whole FOT "club" anyway. Triumphs are common people's cars, open it up to the public. I know a few sharp racing people who would probably chime in from time to time, but are totally uninterested in the current format. My. 02 Later From jgambony at gcecisp.com Tue Jul 27 15:50:11 2010 From: jgambony at gcecisp.com (Jim Gambony) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:50:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [fot] commercial messages fallout In-Reply-To: <227A281B9E4446E4BBD616FE8C2CEE3F@joepentiumnew> References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> <227A281B9E4446E4BBD616FE8C2CEE3F@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <9F44B920A3C2410AA568199065AB4218@jrg> Sounds like it's time for me to ungracefully bow out of FOT. Been intesting overall, althought all the technical information for Spitfire racing is in "Kas's" books. So not much of value on this list. So time to depart from this list. Cheers, Jim Dallas Spitfire(s) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:26 PM To: 'Bob Adams'; 'Justin Wagner' Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Sounds to me like that is best for everybody! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Adams Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:06 PM To: Justin Wagner Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Seemed in line to me. More in line than 2/3's of the messages on this list which having nothing to do with anything racing Triumphs. Heck the fact that this conversation is taking place and will get the response it will get makes my point. Last week I tried to have a discussion concerning what is a very relevant Triumph racing topic and no one really had anything to add except Terry Setler (thanks Terry). Even if you disagreed with what I was saying, at least say something and present your viewpoint. Those who know me know I'm not a Triumph guy and serve as a "go between" since I happen to check my email more frequently than the rest of the crew. Having my inbox fill up over nothing is old and uninteresting. Maybe if the FOT ever makes it to a bb/forum format I might pop in here and there, but I'm bailing on the list. Can't say I ever understood the whole FOT "club" anyway. Triumphs are common people's cars, open it up to the public. I know a few sharp racing people who would probably chime in from time to time, but are totally uninterested in the current format. My. 02 Later _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jgambony at gcecisp.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3029 - Release Date: 07/27/10 01:09:00 From billb at bnj.com Tue Jul 27 19:22:30 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:22:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: Silly stuff. On the internet there is always someone ready to tell you what you should or should not do--some of that spills to the FOT. If it's Joe, or Mark, then take heed. If it's not, then it's about as legitimate and useful as if I made the comment--in other words, not at all. I was interested enough in the product to ping Tony Garmey about it. Of course he asked if I had brake fade, and I had to say "Oh, well, I guess not. Never mind." Still, anyone finding something "new" for our cars should share it, and I don't care if it's the manufacturer. I think this whole "no financial interest" thing is silly. What are we, communists? If someone figures out how to make millions selling to the remaining 100 or so people racing Triumph powered cars then I say, more power to them. This is really a very well behaved list peopled with nice folks. I belong to Vincent motorcycle list that has that is peopled with the nastiest, grumpiest, touchiest, most egomaniacal bunch of old bastards I've ever encountered. Of the few hundred people on the list only one or two would be welcome in my home. If it weren't for the technical content I'd wash my hands of the lot of them. I certainly can't say that about the FOT. Fine folks every one. Just sometimes people forget that not everyone shares their ideas about what is proper. And no one gets to make a citizen's arrest. From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue Jul 27 20:11:08 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 02:11:08 GMT Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Message-ID: <20100727.221108.29004.1@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Having recently posted the availability of some free Spitfire parts and a Spitfire for sale (NFI), I obviously have no problem with such postings. How else are we to hear about such items, some of which have made huge safety improvements with our cars. These include the Southwick rear axle conversion, the Southwick front hubs and the uprated front spindles. Whether it is body parts, go fast parts or safety related parts I want to hear about them. Finding out what is available is one of the many big values of networking on this list Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Justin Wagner To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:50:18 -0700 FOT,... So I have some questions for the group.... Was my post inappropriate? In the future, if a member comes across a cool looking product, should he keep it to himself or only share it in private e-mails to friends? (As opposed to "Friends of Triumphs"???) If a member comes across a cool product, should he only bring it to the attention to the group, if, in his own time, he has personally tested the product and/or has managed to broker some special deal for FOT to get them at a discount? Is that the duty of a member here and the rule of the day for making such posts? ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c4f91c9202cc46c18dst03duc From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jul 27 14:00:11 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:00:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <7C4BD27B1A4440A6AD29E268B36A62BA@Bud> Hi Justin...I welcome info such as websites....that's one of the ways we help each other...Do not let yourself feel 'guilty'. Regards.. Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 12:50 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? > FOT, > > In private email, I've been accused by a member of "posting trash" by > sharing news that this guy I met at a car show has developed a product, as > a result of my encouragement, for TR's. > He also accused me of likely having a financial interest in making the > post. (I do not.) > > He made it clear that such posts do not have a place on FOT and promised > to call me on any future posts of the same ilk. > > He was also bitter that I had not coordinated some sort of discount for > FOT or even some free products for members, to see if they will, indeed, > fit and work on their cars. (Considering that the developer was probably > only able to check to see if it fit a stock car with stock wheels, and > probably not all of the Triumph range.) Never mind, that all I was doing > was drawing members' attention to a web site and a potential product that > might provide a competitive edge. I never claimed to be directly working > with the seller. > > Personally, I just saw a product that looked good and was happy to see > that the developer had taken my lead and is trying to make them available > for our small niche market. > > I pointed my finger at his web site and provided a means of contacting the > president of the company. From my perspective, all of you were welcome to > evaluate the information on his web site and make direct contact with the > vender if you had questions or wanted some consideration for trying it out > on an unknown wheel size, etc. I'm not part of that loop and I don't care > to be. > > I made no personal claims about the product other than sharing that I was > impressed enough by his display at a show to encourage him to make the > product for our cars. Even Kas commented "Looks like a good piece if it > clears everything." upon looking at the website. So he saw promise in > the product as I did. When my TR4A is back on the road, I will give the > product a try. > > So I have some questions for the group.... > > Was my post inappropriate? > > In the future, if a member comes across a cool looking product, should he > keep it to himself or only share it in private e-mails to friends? (As > opposed to "Friends of Triumphs"???) > > If a member comes across a cool product, should he only bring it to the > attention to the group, if, in his own time, he has personally tested the > product and/or has managed to broker some special deal for FOT to get them > at a discount? Is that the duty of a member here and the rule of the day > for making such posts? > > It has blown my mind, on the newsgroups over the years, the issues that > bring people to post vile responses to an innocent post or send private > nasty-grams in e-mail. > > I was always cautious about selling my gaskets on the newsgroup and have > always kept my posts (regarding my own products) minimal. Unlike many, I > don't even put a link to my website at the bottom of my posts. However, > my experience in developing those gaskets makes me particularly supportive > of other entrepreneurs that develop products for our cars. It's a small > market with a lot of people that cry out for the development of products, > but then, many don't step up to the plate to make a purchase when it's > available. It's difficult. It's a small market that most don't enter to > become rich, but rather, to be in a position to earn earn a little money > from one of their favorite hobbies. For a few, they're able to expand and > go somewhere with a product line. For others, it may never have been > intended to be anything more than a weekend hobby business or small > retirement business. > > I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of some > guidelines. I wonder what a group like this is for, if drawing attention > to a product specifically being made for our cars, is crossing some sort > of line. > > --Justin Wagner > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jul 27 14:07:38 2010 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:07:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <620433.54694.qm@smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I say Yes, even if you have an interest as long as it is stated and it is Triumph related. Paul Like all the other posts that we get, if you don't like it hit delete...before you type out a crapgram. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Justin Wagner Sent: July 27, 2010 3:50 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? FOT, In private email, I've been accused by a member of "posting trash" by sharing news that this guy I met at a car show has developed a product, as a result of my encouragement, for TR's. He also accused me of likely having a financial interest in making the post. (I do not.) He made it clear that such posts do not have a place on FOT and promised to call me on any future posts of the same ilk. He was also bitter that I had not coordinated some sort of discount for FOT or even some free products for members, to see if they will, indeed, fit and work on their cars. (Considering that the developer was probably only able to check to see if it fit a stock car with stock wheels, and probably not all of the Triumph range.) Never mind, that all I was doing was drawing members' attention to a web site and a potential product that might provide a competitive edge. I never claimed to be directly working with the seller. Personally, I just saw a product that looked good and was happy to see that the developer had taken my lead and is trying to make them available for our small niche market. I pointed my finger at his web site and provided a means of contacting the president of the company. From my perspective, all of you were welcome to evaluate the information on his web site and make direct contact with the vender if you had questions or wanted some consideration for trying it out on an unknown wheel size, etc. I'm not part of that loop and I don't care to be. I made no personal claims about the product other than sharing that I was impressed enough by his display at a show to encourage him to make the product for our cars. Even Kas commented "Looks like a good piece if it clears everything." upon looking at the website. So he saw promise in the product as I did. When my TR4A is back on the road, I will give the product a try. So I have some questions for the group.... Was my post inappropriate? In the future, if a member comes across a cool looking product, should he keep it to himself or only share it in private e-mails to friends? (As opposed to "Friends of Triumphs"???) If a member comes across a cool product, should he only bring it to the attention to the group, if, in his own time, he has personally tested the product and/or has managed to broker some special deal for FOT to get them at a discount? Is that the duty of a member here and the rule of the day for making such posts? It has blown my mind, on the newsgroups over the years, the issues that bring people to post vile responses to an innocent post or send private nasty-grams in e-mail. I was always cautious about selling my gaskets on the newsgroup and have always kept my posts (regarding my own products) minimal. Unlike many, I don't even put a link to my website at the bottom of my posts. However, my experience in developing those gaskets makes me particularly supportive of other entrepreneurs that develop products for our cars. It's a small market with a lot of people that cry out for the development of products, but then, many don't step up to the plate to make a purchase when it's available. It's difficult. It's a small market that most don't enter to become rich, but rather, to be in a position to earn earn a little money from one of their favorite hobbies. For a few, they're able to expand and go somewhere with a product line. For others, it may never have been intended to be anything more than a weekend hobby business or small retirement business. I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of some guidelines. I wonder what a group like this is for, if drawing attention to a product specifically being made for our cars, is crossing some sort of line. --Justin Wagner _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From riverside at southslope.net Tue Jul 27 14:49:44 2010 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:49:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <00dd01cb2dcd$3e740e90$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> I followed the thread closely and never once did occur to me that anything inappropriate was going on. I welcome news on products being provided by FOT members or any vendors they encounter. art de armond ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:50 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? > FOT, > > In private email, I've been accused by a member of "posting trash" by > sharing news that this guy I met at a car show has developed a product, as > a result of my encouragement, for TR's. > He also accused me of likely having a financial interest in making the > post. (I do not.) > > He made it clear that such posts do not have a place on FOT and promised > to call me on any future posts of the same ilk. > > He was also bitter that I had not coordinated some sort of discount for > FOT or even some free products for members, to see if they will, indeed, > fit and work on their cars. (Considering that the developer was probably > only able to check to see if it fit a stock car with stock wheels, and > probably not all of the Triumph range.) Never mind, that all I was doing > was drawing members' attention to a web site and a potential product that > might provide a competitive edge. I never claimed to be directly working > with the seller. > > Personally, I just saw a product that looked good and was happy to see > that the developer had taken my lead and is trying to make them available > for our small niche market. > > I pointed my finger at his web site and provided a means of contacting the > president of the company. From my perspective, all of you were welcome to > evaluate the information on his web site and make direct contact with the > vender if you had questions or wanted some consideration for trying it out > on an unknown wheel size, etc. I'm not part of that loop and I don't care > to be. > > I made no personal claims about the product other than sharing that I was > impressed enough by his display at a show to encourage him to make the > product for our cars. Even Kas commented "Looks like a good piece if it > clears everything." upon looking at the website. So he saw promise in > the product as I did. When my TR4A is back on the road, I will give the > product a try. > > So I have some questions for the group.... > > Was my post inappropriate? > > In the future, if a member comes across a cool looking product, should he > keep it to himself or only share it in private e-mails to friends? (As > opposed to "Friends of Triumphs"???) > > If a member comes across a cool product, should he only bring it to the > attention to the group, if, in his own time, he has personally tested the > product and/or has managed to broker some special deal for FOT to get them > at a discount? Is that the duty of a member here and the rule of the day > for making such posts? > > It has blown my mind, on the newsgroups over the years, the issues that > bring people to post vile responses to an innocent post or send private > nasty-grams in e-mail. > > I was always cautious about selling my gaskets on the newsgroup and have > always kept my posts (regarding my own products) minimal. Unlike many, I > don't even put a link to my website at the bottom of my posts. However, > my experience in developing those gaskets makes me particularly supportive > of other entrepreneurs that develop products for our cars. It's a small > market with a lot of people that cry out for the development of products, > but then, many don't step up to the plate to make a purchase when it's > available. It's difficult. It's a small market that most don't enter to > become rich, but rather, to be in a position to earn earn a little money > from one of their favorite hobbies. For a few, they're able to expand and > go somewhere with a product line. For others, it may never have been > intended to be anything more than a weekend hobby business or small > retirement business. > > I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of some > guidelines. I wonder what a group like this is for, if drawing attention > to a product specifically being made for our cars, is crossing some sort > of line. > > --Justin Wagner > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net From igofaster at att.net Tue Jul 27 18:20:23 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <932092.87397.qm@web180809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> So.... if I recommended Quantum Mechanics for our transmissions and the forgiving and honorable efforts made by them to get something that I can actually use, is that OK? I've mentioned all my problems with John @ Quantum Mechanics and he has responded with grace, competitiveness, and warranty work on blown gearboxes. All on FoT. While we're at it, I just got a set of Mikuni carb's for my GT6 from Chris at prirace.com .... bad ass stuff and THIS guy really appears to know what he's doing... Check out HIS website... and no, the only financial benefit to me is I'm sending him money for really nice stuff... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Justin Wagner To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Tue, July 27, 2010 2:50:18 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? FOT, In private email, I've been accused by a member of "posting trash" by sharing news that this guy I met at a car show has developed a product, as a result of my encouragement, for TR's. He also accused me of likely having a financial interest in making the post. (I do not.) He made it clear that such posts do not have a place on FOT and promised to call me on any future posts of the same ilk. He was also bitter that I had not coordinated some sort of discount for FOT or even some free products for members, to see if they will, indeed, fit and work on their cars. (Considering that the developer was probably only able to check to see if it fit a stock car with stock wheels, and probably not all of the Triumph range.) Never mind, that all I was doing was drawing members' attention to a web site and a potential product that might provide a competitive edge. I never claimed to be directly working with the seller. Personally, I just saw a product that looked good and was happy to see that the developer had taken my lead and is trying to make them available for our small niche market. I pointed my finger at his web site and provided a means of contacting the president of the company. From my perspective, all of you were welcome to evaluate the information on his web site and make direct contact with the vender if you had questions or wanted some consideration for trying it out on an unknown wheel size, etc. I'm not part of that loop and I don't care to be. I made no personal claims about the product other than sharing that I was impressed enough by his display at a show to encourage him to make the product for our cars. Even Kas commented "Looks like a good piece if it clears everything." upon looking at the website. So he saw promise in the product as I did. When my TR4A is back on the road, I will give the product a try. So I have some questions for the group.... Was my post inappropriate? In the future, if a member comes across a cool looking product, should he keep it to himself or only share it in private e-mails to friends? (As opposed to "Friends of Triumphs"???) If a member comes across a cool product, should he only bring it to the attention to the group, if, in his own time, he has personally tested the product and/or has managed to broker some special deal for FOT to get them at a discount? Is that the duty of a member here and the rule of the day for making such posts? It has blown my mind, on the newsgroups over the years, the issues that bring people to post vile responses to an innocent post or send private nasty-grams in e-mail. I was always cautious about selling my gaskets on the newsgroup and have always kept my posts (regarding my own products) minimal. Unlike many, I don't even put a link to my website at the bottom of my posts. However, my experience in developing those gaskets makes me particularly supportive of other entrepreneurs that develop products for our cars. It's a small market with a lot of people that cry out for the development of products, but then, many don't step up to the plate to make a purchase when it's available. It's difficult. It's a small market that most don't enter to become rich, but rather, to be in a position to earn earn a little money from one of their favorite hobbies. For a few, they're able to expand and go somewhere with a product line. For others, it may never have been intended to be anything more than a weekend hobby business or small retirement business. I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of some guidelines. I wonder what a group like this is for, if drawing attention to a product specifically being made for our cars, is crossing some sort of line. --Justin Wagner _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue Jul 27 20:03:58 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 02:03:58 GMT Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Message-ID: <20100727.220358.29004.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Having recently posted the availability of some free Spitfire parts and a Spitfire for sale (NFI), I obviously have no problem with such postings. How else are we to hear about such items, some of which have made huge safety improvements with our cars. These include the Southwick rear axle conversion, the Southwick front hubs and the uprated front spindles. Whether it is body parts, go fast parts or safety related parts I want to hear about them. Finding out what is available is one of the many big values of networking on this list Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Justin Wagner To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:50:18 -0700 FOT, In private email, I've been accused by a member of "posting trash" by sharing news that this guy I met at a car show has developed a product, as a result of my encouragement, for TR's. He also accused me of likely having a financial interest in making the post. (I do not.) He made it clear that such posts do not have a place on FOT and promised to call me on any future posts of the same ilk. He was also bitter that I had not coordinated some sort of discount for FOT or even some free products for members, to see if they will, indeed, fit and work on their cars. (Considering that the developer was probably only able to check to see if it fit a stock car with stock wheels, and probably not all of the Triumph range.) Never mind, that all I was doing was drawing members' attention to a web site and a potential product that might provide a competitive edge. I never claimed to be directly working with the seller. Personally, I just saw a product that looked good and was happy to see that the developer had taken my lead and is trying to make them available for our small niche market. I pointed my finger at his web site and provided a means of contacting the president of the company. From my perspective, all of you were welcome to evaluate the information on his web site and make direct contact with the vender if you had questions or wanted some consideration for trying it out on an unknown wheel size, etc. I'm not part of that loop and I don't care to be. I made no personal claims about the product other than sharing that I was impressed enough by his display at a show to encourage him to make the product for our cars. Even Kas commented "Looks like a good piece if it clears everything." upon looking at the website. So he saw promise in the product as I did. When my TR4A is back on the road, I will give the product a try. So I have some questions for the group.... Was my post inappropriate? In the future, if a member comes across a cool looking product, should he keep it to himself or only share it in private e-mails to friends? (As opposed to "Friends of Triumphs"???) If a member comes across a cool product, should he only bring it to the attention to the group, if, in his own time, he has personally tested the product and/or has managed to broker some special deal for FOT to get them at a discount? Is that the duty of a member here and the rule of the day for making such posts? It has blown my mind, on the newsgroups over the years, the issues that bring people to post vile responses to an innocent post or send private nasty-grams in e-mail. I was always cautious about selling my gaskets on the newsgroup and have always kept my posts (regarding my own products) minimal. Unlike many, I don't even put a link to my website at the bottom of my posts. However, my experience in developing those gaskets makes me particularly supportive of other entrepreneurs that develop products for our cars. It's a small market with a lot of people that cry out for the development of products, but then, many don't step up to the plate to make a purchase when it's available. It's difficult. It's a small market that most don't enter to become rich, but rather, to be in a position to earn earn a little money from one of their favorite hobbies. For a few, they're able to expand and go somewhere with a product line. For others, it may never have been intended to be anything more than a weekend hobby business or small retirement business. I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of some guidelines. I wonder what a group like this is for, if drawing attention to a product specifically being made for our cars, is crossing some sort of line. --Justin Wagner _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Natural Arthritis Cure Say goodbye arthritis drugs. Aches disappear with raisin remedy. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c4f905abc6d0491bbdst02duc From jmwagner at greenheart.com Wed Jul 28 00:24:21 2010 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:24:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <20100728002936.K180O.206021.imail@fed1rmwml37> References: <20100728002936.K180O.206021.imail@fed1rmwml37> Message-ID: <4C4FCD15.7080807@greenheart.com> Thanks Kas. Yes folks, let's call it done. I appreciate the posts. It's one of those issues that comes up, now and then, and it just needs a little discussion to put it to rest until someone else cries foul. --Justin Kas Kastner wrote: >Okay, enough. No one is too unhappy, but for now, I think this has been worked to death. From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 28 08:19:52 2010 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys In-Reply-To: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> References: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <107185.34023.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - I am working on a narrow belt conversion using the stock TR4/3 crank pulleys. If any of you have crank pulley pieces and parts that you could part with for my experiment - bring them to Topeka. See you all soon Dennis From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Jul 28 08:36:25 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:36:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys Message-ID: <82.99.03848.950405C4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Dennis, What I think we need is a balancer pulley kit that slows down the water pump and alternator. I always have trouble visualizing this, but I think smaller crank pulley slows down the other two? Is this in your plan? -----Original Message----- From: Dennis DeLap Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:19 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys AMICI - I am working on a narrow belt conversion using the stock TR4/3 crank pulleys. If any of you have crank pulley pieces and parts that you could part with for my experiment - bring them to Topeka. See you all soon Dennis _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Jul 28 09:25:07 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:25:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys now used scroll seals, too Message-ID: <49159.48cf4c76.3981a5d3@cs.com> Dennis, I'll look for some in my stash.... I also need 7 more used scroll seals to get a production run of 10 modified ones for Chris' new split seal. Thanks, Joe > AMICI - I am working on a narrow belt conversion using the stock TR4/3 > crank > pulleys. If any of you have crank pulley pieces and parts that you could > part > with for my experiment - bring them to Topeka. > > See you all soon > Dennis > From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Jul 28 12:36:06 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:36:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys In-Reply-To: <82.99.03848.950405C4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <82.99.03848.950405C4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <4C507896.5020208@pobox.com> Starting with a stock pulley is a good approach. I made my own pulley and started by doing a little machine work on a stock pulley hub and used. This greatly simplified the part I had to make. I used the bolt on balancer that BFE and others sell. I wanted to make it small to slow down the water pump and alternator, but the size was limited by the harmonic balancer. I wanted to see if I could find a smaller bolt on balancer, but never got around to it. There is a place that specializes in dampers - damper doctor or something like that. Unfortunately, I didn't take any photos of the pulley. I may have some sketches. Larry Young Bob Kramer wrote: > Dennis, > What I think we need is a balancer pulley kit that slows down the water pump > and alternator. I always have trouble visualizing this, but I think smaller > crank pulley slows down the other two? Is this in your plan? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis DeLap > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:19 AM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys > > AMICI - I am working on a narrow belt conversion using the stock TR4/3 crank > pulleys. If any of you have crank pulley pieces and parts that you could > part > with for my experiment - bring them to Topeka. > > See you all soon > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Wed Jul 28 16:00:33 2010 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:00:33 +1000 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Message-ID: as a business owner, i tread very carefully on non-commercial forums like these. if i manage to create something really unusual that i think would interest others, i might post something to that effect, but then cease any commercial dealings via the forum. there are plenty of other forums/sites where businesses can pay to advertise their wares here in Australia, triumphs have always been a collector/niche market car, with a relatively small "following". Despite the vast size of our country, most enthusiasts, especially historic racers, know each other personally or at least by reputation. we dont have the huge numbers in any one city/state to share experiences with, so forums like this are good repository of knowledge & experience, and especially to find new products or pose a question like "who knows something about XYZ". to the forum moderators, please don't make rules so tight, that some Triumph enthusiast, who happens to be a business owner, feels threatened to tell others about his good idea/product. I would not support any notion that this forum is a place for businesses to actively sell a range of products. Terry O'Beirne. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Jul 28 16:07:09 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:07:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys References: <82.99.03848.950405C4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <4C507896.5020208@pobox.com> Message-ID: Somebody asked about why we just don't use a bigger water pump pulley. the answer is there isn't any room because of the thermostat neck cast into the head. There might be a little room for upsizing but the aftermarket kits all seem to have pretty small water pump pullies. My newest TR4, the ex-Dennis Shea car came with a fluid-dampner modified to fit with a small pulley on the front side. This moved the alternator and water pump pullies forward of the stock location allowing an oversize home-made custom water pump pulley. It also has a FIAT radiator of unknown source. That car can idle in my driveway like a stock TR4. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Young To: Bob Kramer ; FOT ; Dennis DeLap Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys Starting with a stock pulley is a good approach. I made my own pulley and started by doing a little machine work on a stock pulley hub and used. This greatly simplified the part I had to make. I used the bolt on balancer that BFE and others sell. I wanted to make it small to slow down the water pump and alternator, but the size was limited by the harmonic balancer. I wanted to see if I could find a smaller bolt on balancer, but never got around to it. There is a place that specializes in dampers - damper doctor or something like that. Unfortunately, I didn't take any photos of the pulley. I may have some sketches. Larry Young Bob Kramer wrote: Dennis, What I think we need is a balancer pulley kit that slows down the water pump and alternator. I always have trouble visualizing this, but I think smaller crank pulley slows down the other two? Is this in your plan? -----Original Message----- From: Dennis DeLap Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:19 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys AMICI - I am working on a narrow belt conversion using the stock TR4/3 crank pulleys. If any of you have crank pulley pieces and parts that you could part with for my experiment - bring them to Topeka. See you all soon Dennis _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 28 19:21:52 2010 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys In-Reply-To: References: <82.99.03848.950405C4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <4C507896.5020208@pobox.com> Message-ID: <422746.81629.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey guys - sounds like I am doing a similar pulley invention. I am using the stock hub with two of the rear pulley halves. This gives me a smaller pulley diameter using a narrow belt with nice sealing and adjustment options. I am bolting a harmonic balancer to the front of this assembly without using it's belt groove. I'll show you what I have done so far when we get together in Topeka. Dennis Somebody asked about why we just don't use a bigger water pump pulley. the answer is there isn't any room because of the thermostat neck cast into the head. There might be a little room for upsizing but the aftermarket kits all seem to have pretty small water pump pullies. My newest TR4, the ex-Dennis Shea car came with a fluid-dampner modified to fit with a small pulley on the front side. This moved the alternator and water pump pullies forward of the stock location allowing an oversize home-made custom water pump pulley. It also has a FIAT radiator of unknown source. That car can idle in my driveway like a stock TR4. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- >From: Larry Young >To: Bob Kramer ; FOT ; Dennis DeLap >Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 1:36 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys > >Starting with a stock pulley is a good approach. I made my own pulley and >started by doing a little machine work on a stock pulley hub and used. This >greatly simplified the part I had to make. I used the bolt on balancer that BFE >and others sell. I wanted to make it small to slow down the water pump and >alternator, but the size was limited by the harmonic balancer. I wanted to see >if I could find a smaller bolt on balancer, but never got around to it. There >is a place that specializes in dampers - damper doctor or something like that. >Unfortunately, I didn't take any photos of the pulley. I may have some >sketches. >Larry Young > >Bob Kramer wrote: >Dennis, What I think we need is a balancer pulley kit that slows down the water >pump and alternator. I always have trouble visualizing this, but I think smaller >crank pulley slows down the other two? Is this in your plan? -----Original >Message----- From: Dennis DeLap Sent: Wednesday, >July 28, 2010 9:19 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] >Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys AMICI - I am working on a narrow belt conversion >using the stock TR4/3 crank pulleys. If any of you have crank pulley pieces and >parts that you could part with for my experiment - bring them to Topeka. See >you all soon Dennis _______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: >http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: >http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net >http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: >http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Jul 28 20:11:30 2010 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:11:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: well said Terry ! > From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:00:33 +1000 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? > > as a business owner, i tread very carefully on non-commercial forums like > these. if i manage to create something really unusual that i think would > interest others, i might post something to that effect, but then cease any > commercial dealings via the forum. there are plenty of other forums/sites > where businesses can pay to advertise their wares > > here in Australia, triumphs have always been a collector/niche market car, > with a relatively small "following". Despite the vast size of our country, > most enthusiasts, especially historic racers, know each other personally or > at least by reputation. we dont have the huge numbers in any one city/state > to share experiences with, so forums like this are good repository of > knowledge & experience, and especially to find new products or pose a > question like "who knows something about XYZ". > > to the forum moderators, please don't make rules so tight, that some > Triumph enthusiast, who happens to be a business owner, feels threatened to > tell others about his good idea/product. I would not support any notion that > this forum is a place for businesses to actively sell a range of products. > > Terry O'Beirne. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 28 21:11:39 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:11:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] It's a Wonderful List!.... and John Nikas was here today. Message-ID: <8CCFCE2E561C2CF-138-5A3A@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> If it weren't for this list I would not even know John Nikas, much less have him as my guest for the afternoon. John is on the verge of some great news for the Kastner Cup of 2011. When he is ready he will announce the details and dates. If it were not for this list we wouldnt have ANYTHING to talk about. We wouldn't have a Kastner Cup. This list is composed of some very special people. People that want to be on the list. People that dont require rules or forum moderator. People that can state their opinions and ideas without fear of censorship or retribution. Ya, I know, everyone has a 'bad hair day', once in awhile, but we take care of it and get on with it. When I initiated this list, with the help of others, my vision was of 15-20 Triumph Racing Friends corresponding with each other around North America. I had no vision of 300 FOT worldwide. The list has a few warts, but it has been a positive life changing experience for me...perhaps a few others, too. Thank you all. OH YES! John Nikas should be making an announcement at Topeka in August about the 2011 Kastner Cup. Joe Alexander From lfritz82 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 28 21:39:47 2010 From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:39:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 hardtop hold downs Message-ID: Does anyone know where I can get the rear hold down brackets for a TR3 factory hard top. The threaded stands that go under the rear cockpit rail and the chrome covers that go on top. I would like new but used would be ok. Thanks, Lorne _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jul 28 22:19:03 2010 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 04:19:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] It's a Wonderful List!.... and John Nikas was here today. In-Reply-To: <139061562.651787.1280377096664.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1228720774.651796.1280377143480.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I'd probably be a lot less excited about finishing up my TR3 build if it weren't for the FOT. I'd also be much further away from having it done and done right. I'm looking forward to Topeka if even as a spectator, to spend some time with good peeps and a bunch of cool old cars. Thanks, Joe. I'm happy to be part of the group, Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:11:39 PM Subject: [Fot] It's a Wonderful List!.... and John Nikas was here today. If it weren't for this list I would not even know John Nikas, much less have him as my guest for the afternoon. John is on the verge of some great news for the Kastner Cup of 2011. When he is ready he will announce the details and dates. If it were not for this list we wouldnt have ANYTHING to talk about. We wouldn't have a Kastner Cup. This list is composed of some very special people. People that want to be on the list. People that dont require rules or forum moderator. People that can state their opinions and ideas without fear of censorship or retribution. Ya, I know, everyone has a 'bad hair day', once in awhile, but we take care of it and get on with it. When I initiated this list, with the help of others, my vision was of 15-20 Triumph Racing Friends corresponding with each other around North America. I had no vision of 300 FOT worldwide. The list has a few warts, but it has been a positive life changing experience for me...perhaps a few others, too. Thank you all. OH YES! John Nikas should be making an announcement at Topeka in August about the 2011 Kastner Cup. Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jul 28 23:07:10 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:07:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 hardtop hold downs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33e501cb2edb$e66c16b0$0301a8c0@randall> > Does anyone know where I can get the rear hold down brackets > for a TR3 factory > hard top. The threaded stands that go under the rear cockpit > rail and the > chrome covers that go on top. I would like new but used would be ok. TRF has them listed as available. The brackets under the rail are P/N 602326 (5 reqd); the chrome covers are 602938 (2 reqd) and 602939 (3 reqd). https://secure.zeni.net/trf/ There are some other bits & pieces you'll probably want (like the "tapping plates" used to fasten the stands to the body), so I've attached the page from the SPC that lists the parts. TRF doesn't publish a catalog that lists them, but if you look up the factory numbers on their web site, they frequently (although not always) do have the parts in stock. Randall [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of Hardtop parts.pdf] From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed Jul 28 23:57:21 2010 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:57:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys References: <82.99.03848.950405C4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com><4C507896.5020208@pobox.com> <422746.81629.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <80EC3A7E81F74EFBBD46742D1930C6EB@your89d26e0447> We have made small diameter crank pulleys in the past that were designed to reduce the water pump and generator speeds by about 1/3. We have never found any advantage in using a narrow fan belt or in installing a "damper". The engineers that we have consulted with in the past have voiced the opinion that a 6 cylinder or a v-8 crank with the rod throws at angles relative to one another that are not 180 degrees develops torsional vibrations that require a damper, but a crank with throws at 180 degrees like our "tractor" engine does not. They have said that a damper on our engines is a waste of time and just extra weight and inertia. Consequently we have never installed dampers unless the owner of the engine insisted. With a good balance job and rods and pistons as light as we can get them, we have had no failures that could be attributed to torsional vibration as long as the revs were kept under 7300 rpm. The way we have made crank pulleys is to start with a standard hub and cut it down and redrill the holes for the pulley to the smallest diameter possible. Then we machined a new pulley to match the new bolt circle. The belt groove was then machined to match the standard generator pulley profile, but with the inside diameter just larger than the new bolt circle that attaches it to the modified hub. This procedure has worked very well for us. In back to back engine dyno testing , at 6,000 rpm on an engine making 165 hp, slowing down the water pump by 1/3 was worth about 6 hp at the flywheel. The top water hose from the thermostat housing was partly a clear glass tube. With the normal water pump speed there are a lot of small water bubbles flowing away from the engine. These are caused by cavitation on the back side of the water pump impeller. Slowing down the pump dramatically reduced the number of air bubbles. This would tend to imply that the water pump is operating more efficiently at the slower speed. The main reason that we did not go to the narrow belt was that we just did not want to go to the trouble of having to change to narrow pullies on the generator and water pump. The wide belts have been very reliable and operate at a very low tension setting so do not put to much side load on the water pump or generator bearings. Greg Solow From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Jul 29 11:01:40 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:01:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirts... again Message-ID: <27466ED6-4E0A-4FEF-88AA-83D887C5483C@earthlink.net> One more call for T-shirt orders. I know of quite a few of you that will be in Topeka haven't ordered yet. You're going to be so jealous you will want to buy one off somebody's back - Mine ain't for sale. My only financial interest is to meet the minimum order number and we're only half way there. Believe me, at $12.50 for a quality shirt with full color silk-screen on both sides, I'm not doing this for the money... sure hope not to loose any. Here are the links and details again. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM Shirt front: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/Picture%201.png Shirt back: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/KastnerBackUse.jpg Sizes S - XL are $12.50 ea. + $1.25 for 2X-5X Shipping will be $3.50. That makes S-XL $16 and 2X-5X $17.25 or pick them up at the track. Full color silk screen on a100% cotton white tee. Be sure to specify the size[s] with your payment. Payment via PayPal to: lunkercars at earthlink.net Send checks to: Lunkercars 323-K Claremont Ave NW Albuquerque NM 87107 If paying by check, please also send me a e-mail so I know the numbers. Thanks. From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Jul 29 11:19:57 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:19:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirts... again In-Reply-To: <27466ED6-4E0A-4FEF-88AA-83D887C5483C@earthlink.net> References: <27466ED6-4E0A-4FEF-88AA-83D887C5483C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3FC985D0-B75C-4BC3-B721-5098E25B6E85@earthlink.net> And P.S. Order cut-off is this Monday the 2nd. For those who have sent your payment, I'll be sending you a confirmation before the order goes in. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jul 29, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer wrote: > One more call for T-shirt orders. I know of quite a few of you that > will be in Topeka haven't ordered yet. You're going to be so jealous > you will want to buy one off somebody's back - Mine ain't for sale. > My only financial interest is to meet the minimum order number and > we're only half way there. Believe me, at $12.50 for a quality shirt > with full color silk-screen on both sides, I'm not doing this for the > money... sure hope not to loose any. > Here are the links and details again. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > > > > > > Shirt front: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/Picture%201.png > > Shirt back: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/KastnerBackUse.jpg > > > Sizes S - XL are $12.50 ea. + $1.25 for 2X-5X > Shipping will be $3.50. That makes S-XL $16 and 2X-5X $17.25 or pick > them up at the track. > > Full color silk screen on a100% cotton white tee. > Be sure to specify the size[s] with your payment. > > > Payment via PayPal to: > lunkercars at earthlink.net > > Send checks to: > Lunkercars > 323-K Claremont Ave NW > Albuquerque NM 87107 > > If paying by check, please also send me a e-mail so I know the > numbers. > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From lfritz82 at hotmail.com Thu Jul 29 21:46:12 2010 From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:46:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 hardtop hold downs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you everyone. I guess I should have looked harder. Just because I couldn't find a listing doesn't mean the parts suppliers don't have them. Lorne > From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:39:47 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] TR3 hardtop hold downs > > Does anyone know where I can get the rear hold down brackets for a TR3 factory > hard top. The threaded stands that go under the rear cockpit rail and the > chrome covers that go on top. I would like new but used would be ok. > Thanks, Lorne > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with > Hotmail. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 > 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lfritz82 at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 From cwnfot at gmail.com Sat Jul 31 08:02:42 2010 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 10:02:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <00ea01cb30b9$0c63ef30$252bcd90$@com> One of the heartwarming reasons for me to be on this list is to gain knowledge of what innovations are available for our "antique" toys. Particularly the ingenuity of our own membership. Please keep 'em coming. The membership evaluation of the products is invaluable. And when I start cleaning house of my 40 year collection of bits I'll certainly ask guidance from this group before trucking to the recycler! I hate to throw things away but will gladly give them away! (Got a truck, Brad and Sue? Even Andy doesn't want some of this stuff!) Who took the Spitfire stuff Joe B mentions? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Jul 31 18:42:43 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:42:43 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 Brake backing plates Message-ID: Amici, I'm startled to find (or not actually) that I have no brake backing plates for the rotoflex rear suspensions. Anyone have a cheap set laying around? At present I only need one pair but I better buy another set if available... Steve From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Jul 31 19:00:52 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:00:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 Brake backing plates Message-ID: 3 1/8". Large I assume? From herald948 at aol.com Sat Jul 31 20:13:48 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 22:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: 29675280 References: 29675280 Message-ID: <8CCFF364F68EAF4-4AAC-196D6@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Clark W. Nicholls ...And when I start cleaning house of my 40 year collection of bits I'll certainly ask guidance from this group before trucking to the recycler! I hate to throw things away but will gladly give them away! (Got a truck, Brad and Sue? Even Andy doesn't want some of this stuff!) ==AM== Shocking...and true, but only because I might be "downsizing" somewhat. Besides, of late the number of Spitfire gearboxes underfoot in the barn has become a standing joke with my son. OTOH, he's come to appreciate my ability to go into the barn to find something I need for the Herald, and he not so secretly wishes he were able to do that with his '81 Subaru! :) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From deweerdm at rogers.com Sat Jul 31 21:38:53 2010 From: deweerdm at rogers.com (MIKE DEWEERD) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering Message-ID: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello list. I'm looking for any advice on how to get my TR4 to corner better. It seems to under-steer immensely. I am now in the process of changing front springs and shocks because as I put heat into the tires, the car would dive down when I turn the wheel to the left twice as much as when I turn to the right.(so I figured the left spring to be weak). I have no idea of the age of the shocks or springs. I find that when entering a tight turn the car will continue straight no matter how much I turn the wheel and when the car slows down enough the front will then turn quite quickly and I have to counter-steer (straighten) the wheel. This makes turns seem jerky and unsafe to other racers. I have a welded rear live axle. (which just broke in the last race) and I noticed my "new" front Hoosiers are pretty much done after 4 races while the back still look new. Now perhaps it's just me and I have to learn to drive slower into tight turns while the MGB's fly past me, or I need to look at something in the front end? the car has 1/16 th to 1/8 toe in. the steering rack is tight, it has poly bushing through out the front end Any ideas would be appreciated, Thank you Mike From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Jul 31 22:01:51 2010 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 00:01:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering In-Reply-To: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A bit more info may be helpful. What tires are you running? What is the camber set up of the front suspension? What size anti-roll bars are you running? What cold tire pressures? Corner weights? Terry Stetler. From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Jul 31 22:14:10 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 23:14:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering In-Reply-To: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100801041343.08C0718764B@autox.team.net> The standard fix is a bit counter intuitive - pretty stiff front springs and a fairly large front anti-roll bar. Normally, stiffening the springs and putting in a stiffer bar will cause the end of the car you've done that on to have LESS grip, but not the TR-4 with it's interesting front end geometry. Another thing to try is to adjust the tire pressures front to rear. I can get my car to push with a 2 psi change in rear tire pressure. Dropping the rear pressure (again, counter intuitive) will allow the rear of the car to rotate more - at least that's what it does on mine. With the Speedsters, I run 25 psi front and 23 rear cold. In general, understeer is NOT my problem, sometimes it's just the opposite - I need to bump the rears up a half a PSI to keep from too much oversteer. However, I don't run a locked rear end, I run a Detroit Locker. Under power it's a locked rear but off the power the rear is open. Locked rears cause initial understeer until you get the rear sliding a little. Also, check your brake bias - having more rear brake helps slow the car and also helps rotate it (to a point). TOO much rear brake makes it want to go off the road backwards. - Tony Drews At 10:38 PM 7/31/2010, MIKE DEWEERD wrote: >Hello list. >I'm looking for any advice on how to get my TR4 to corner better. It seems to >under-steer immensely. > I am now in the process of changing front springs and shocks because as I >put heat into the tires, the car would dive down when I turn the wheel to the >left twice as much as when I turn to the right.(so I figured the left spring >to be weak). I have no idea of the age of the shocks or springs. > I find that when entering a tight turn the car will continue straight no >matter how much I turn the wheel and when the car slows down enough the front >will then turn quite quickly and I have to counter-steer (straighten) the >wheel. This makes turns seem jerky and unsafe to other racers. > I have a welded rear live axle. (which just broke in the last race) and I >noticed my "new" front Hoosiers are pretty much done after 4 races while the >back still look new. > Now perhaps it's just me and I have to learn to drive slower into > tight turns >while the MGB's fly past me, or I need to look at something in the front end? >the car has 1/16 th to 1/8 toe in. the steering rack is tight, it has poly >bushing through out the front end > >Any ideas would be appreciated, Thank you >Mike >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From horizonracing at msn.com Sat Jul 31 22:32:30 2010 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:32:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering In-Reply-To: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Live axle car: check the front Spring rates (4-500lbs is a good starting point),That the ride height is Lower than the rear( A arms are parallel to the level ground) That the sway bar is not seized in the pillar blocks (3/4-7/8 dia), are the shocks working the same ? and IMHO, the welded diff needs to go. The quick steer rack is worth the dollars spent and I've added a 1/2 rear sway bar to help with turn in as the TR 4 is or does have a lazy turn in. I prefer a pointy or crisp turn in. Using Hoosier speedster tires & yok. 048's. Every car/driver has there own preference and only testing different bars/springs/shocks will get you were you need to go... the way you want it. cheers & good luck Tony > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:38:53 -0700 > From: deweerdm at rogers.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering > > Hello list. > I'm looking for any advice on how to get my TR4 to corner better. It seems to > under-steer immensely. > I am now in the process of changing front springs and shocks because as I > put heat into the tires, the car would dive down when I turn the wheel to the > left twice as much as when I turn to the right.(so I figured the left spring > to be weak). I have no idea of the age of the shocks or springs. > I find that when entering a tight turn the car will continue straight no > matter how much I turn the wheel and when the car slows down enough the front > will then turn quite quickly and I have to counter-steer (straighten) the > wheel. This makes turns seem jerky and unsafe to other racers. > I have a welded rear live axle. (which just broke in the last race) and I > noticed my "new" front Hoosiers are pretty much done after 4 races while the > back still look new. > Now perhaps it's just me and I have to learn to drive slower into tight turns > while the MGB's fly past me, or I need to look at something in the front end? > the car has 1/16 th to 1/8 toe in. the steering rack is tight, it has poly > bushing through out the front end > > Any ideas would be appreciated, Thank you > Mike > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jul 1 07:43:44 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 09:43:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] Australian 18th All Triumph Race Message-ID: <83172.1ac70a2d.395df590@aol.com> In a message dated 06/30/2010 9:56:48 PM Central Daylight Time, gkbyrne at optushome.com.au writes: > The race field was made up of > Three Dolimite Sprints including one turbo > Four TR8s and four TR7s > One TR6 and two GT6s > five TR3s and three Sedans , > Geoff...interesting stuff! Hooray for our Down Under Contingent. Two things struck me...no TR4s, and no Spitfires (both popular models here in the USA. Then too...those Dolomite Sprints and sedans (also rare up/over here). I've been exposed to these models recently, as they get plenty of attention in the Triumph World magazine. While I've always been more taken with the Triumph roadsters like the TR2-6, these are neat little cars. They can really be presented well, and prepared for serious racing. Bill Dentinger From cofrog at q.com Thu Jul 1 11:58:55 2010 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 17:58:55 +0000 Subject: [Fot] IRS Shock Length Message-ID: Listers, I recently installed the 550# rear springs that Moss Europe sells on my IRS TR4A. These springs are considerably shorter that the old ones. The new springs can be installed/removed without loosening the long Spax shocks that I have. These shocks are the Spax that come with the Moss tube shock conversion. I have wired the springs to the upper spring plate so they cannot fall out. My concern is these longer shocks may bottom out with the shorter springs. Has anyone run these springs or similar springs with the long Spax shocks that Moss sells and, if so, had any problems with bottoming out? The car is non-functioning at this time and I'm trying to get it squared away for Topeka. I probably will not be able to see how the above setup works until getting on the track at Topeka and would hate to have the shocks be a problem. I can (maybe should) acquire some shorter Spax shocks to be on the safe side. Any experience/input would be appreciated. Thanks, Dan Forgey From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Jul 1 13:28:00 2010 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 14:28:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] IRS Shock Length In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have the same rear springs but I use lever shocks. You can make up an adjustable link with the Armstrongs and once you get it where you want it you are good to go. You have to figure out your range and get a proper shock. I keep a loose zip tie looped to keep my springs in place. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell We are as happy as we make up our minds to be. ~ Abraham Lincoln -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dan Forgey Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 12:59 PM To: triumph fot Subject: [Fot] IRS Shock Length Listers, I recently installed the 550# rear springs that Moss Europe sells on my IRS TR4A. These springs are considerably shorter that the old ones. The new springs can be installed/removed without loosening the long Spax shocks that I have. These shocks are the Spax that come with the Moss tube shock conversion. I have wired the springs to the upper spring plate so they cannot fall out. My concern is these longer shocks may bottom out with the shorter springs. Has anyone run these springs or similar springs with the long Spax shocks that Moss sells and, if so, had any problems with bottoming out? The car is non-functioning at this time and I'm trying to get it squared away for Topeka. I probably will not be able to see how the above setup works until getting on the track at Topeka and would hate to have the shocks be a problem. I can (maybe should) acquire some shorter Spax shocks to be on the safe side. Any experience/input would be appreciated. Thanks, Dan Forgey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Thu Jul 1 15:47:17 2010 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 07:47:17 +1000 Subject: [Fot] re IRS Shock Length Message-ID: on a similar matter, can someone give me the open/closed lengths of the shocks (or part numbers). I've got some alloy brackets made by Racetorations in UK, but no shocks. They wont provide any data, just want to sell me overly expensive shocks. thanks, terry o'beirne From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Jul 1 18:44:47 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 18:44:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] re IRS Shock Length In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8AB066C14FFB49F4A153E2E9E37E5577@hal9000> Terry, If you like the Spax shocks the part you are looking for is specially made by Spax for BPNW. It's the krypton part # G3072 The body length is 7". The moss conversion shock for standard springs has a body length of 8.5". On the shorter shock the extended length is 12.5" and the compressed length is 16" end to end. The factory measures center of stud to center of stud, not end to end. Jim G. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team .net] On Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 3:47 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] re IRS Shock Length on a similar matter, can someone give me the open/closed lengths of the shocks (or part numbers). I've got some alloy brackets made by Racetorations in UK, but no shocks. They wont provide any data, just want to sell me overly expensive shocks. thanks, terry o'beirne ______________________________ _________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htm l Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ options/fot/toodamnfunky at comca st.net From jhd11 at hotmail.com Fri Jul 2 08:07:29 2010 From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 14:07:29 +0000 Subject: [Fot] U.K Triumph Events Message-ID: Good Morning, I will be in England and Scotland for the next 2 weeks and was wondering if there were any Triumphs on Track during that time. Would love to take in a U.K. race meeting while I was there (besides the F1 race!). Joe Downer Charlotte, N.C. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Jul 2 14:14:11 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:14:11 GMT Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith Message-ID: <20100702.161411.15956.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> The last crash almost killed him and I heard that he broke his neck. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "RACER BUD" To: Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 wheel cars ... Carter B. Smith Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 09:41:39 -0700 This is a Terrific Video...click on the link below. Racer Bud The BBC Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more three-wheeled cars b (both videos are hysterically FUNNY!) http://www.autoblog.com/2010/06/28/video-clarkson-demonstrate s-why-there-arent-more-three-wheeled/#continued _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net ____________________________________________________________ PennyStocks Soaring 600% Sign up for FREE email alerts on stocks that jump 600% and more! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c2e48da6fa4f1521bfst01duc From susank at 141.com Fri Jul 2 17:07:24 2010 From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 19:07:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Red #6 Hot Wheels TR6 Racer Message-ID: <4C2E712C.5050309@141.com> Hi gang! I keep forgetting to post out that there is now a 2010 red racer with blue and white stripes #6 Hot Wheels TR6 to be had at your Hot Wheels retailer. I found a bunch of them at our local Walmarts. Just FYI! http://hotwheels.wikia.com/wiki/File:Triumph_TR6_-_10FTE.jpg Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From jmwagner at greenheart.com Fri Jul 2 19:33:59 2010 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:33:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4A stock-type front Y-Pipe, mild steel, WANTED Message-ID: <4C2E9387.1050403@greenheart.com> Does anyone have a stock-type, mild steel (not Stainless Steel) front Y-Pipe from a TR4A that they'd like to unload? I would expect a little surface rust, but just looking for a bargain as opposed to a new one. Maybe you replaced a decent system with a stainless one and you have your old one in the garage? Or maybe you have one that came from a parts car? I'm looking for #10 in this Victoria British diagram.... http://www.victoriabritish.com/icatalog/tc/full.aspx?Page=114 New ones are between $70 and $110 for SS... I am looking for a bargain price for a used one and I could also trade for a silicone valve cover gasket for TR's (TR2's through TR 6's, etc.) --Justin Wagner jmwagnersales.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Fri Jul 2 19:57:20 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 18:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] videos Message-ID: <470614.64068.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> As long as we are sharing race videos, here are some from a race on Fathers day. This is my first time with my new go pro HD and it is obvious I need to work on the mounting location. I had to split it up into 3 videos under 10 minutes even after cutting out the boring sections where there is no action. I qualified on the pole and ended up winning the race after a decent battle with a Datsun 240Z. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYdgmwaLV-M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1GjMLz_Zm8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZYCkfHMUpk Mike From tedtsimx at bright.net Sat Jul 3 10:59:07 2010 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 12:59:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] A good andHappy Independence day from TSI Message-ID: <4C2F6C5B.4090603@bright.net> Uncle Sam,.Spitfire adn his friend "hydrant" wish you all a good Independence Day. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jul 3 19:26:38 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 18:26:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Emailing: 2010_0508AA What I Think The Gang is All about Fiats or Triumphs Message-ID: Hi friends..here's a Message that i sent to my Newsletter Gang....It's the same spirit that FOT has...I'm Proud to Be Friends With you!... RB Hello to THE OLD GUYS STILL DUMB ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE Gang....Happy 4TH of July... My Little Friend and I made it all the way to 4th street West(3 blocks)...2 blocks smoothly...the 3rd block was 'One Lurch At A Time'...Then..'There I Sat'... 6'1" 63 year old Dude in a tiny Car that most people have never seen the likes of before, with the top down in the middle of an intersection...A lady comes up to me and says nicely..."Hi!..that's really a bad place to be stopped..can I help you push it to the curb?"...I gritted my teeth, then said "Sure..thanks very much"...As soon as she was out of sight I started my little Friend again...We made it to the middle of the street...I decided it was time to start pushing my Fiat home...Then...A Neighbor whom I hadn't met(He was going for a walk), came to me and said.."Hi, My Name's Kevin..I had one of these cars....Can I help you push it home?....We got my little Baby Home...I guess I didn't solve the fuel problem after all.... Now I Love Her Even More!!.. Racer Bud The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: 2010_0508AA Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 2010_0508AA.JPG] From LimeyV8 at aol.com Sun Jul 4 21:33:58 2010 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 23:33:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Cooling Message-ID: <966af.4f936dec.3962aca6@aol.com> In a message dated 6/30/2010 12:09:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: I have attached a link to an ebay sale. This rad. looks just like mine. really? aren't the inlets and outlets on opposite sides from where they need to be ? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/209672-19-X-28-ALUMINUM-RACE-RADIATOR-FORD-MO PAR-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1c11732501QQitemZ120551843073QQptZMotorsQ5fC arQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories From greenman62 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 4 22:34:48 2010 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (Greg Petrolati) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 04:34:48 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith In-Reply-To: <20100702.161411.15956.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> References: <20100702.161411.15956.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: That wasn't Clarkson who nearly died... it was Hammond... Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: jaboruch at netzero.net > Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:14:11 +0000 > To: budscars at comcast.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith > > The last crash almost killed him and I heard that he broke his neck. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "RACER BUD" > To: > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 wheel > cars ... Carter B. Smith > Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 09:41:39 -0700 > > This is a Terrific Video...click on the link below. > Racer Bud > > > > > > > > The BBC Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more > three-wheeled cars b > (both videos are hysterically FUNNY!) > > http://www.autoblog.com/2010/06/28/video-clarkson-demonstrate > s-why-there-arent-more-three-wheeled/#continued > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > PennyStocks Soaring 600% > Sign up for FREE email alerts on stocks that jump 600% and more! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c2e48da6fa4f1521bfst01duc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/greenman62 at hotmail.com From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jul 5 19:14:37 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 18:14:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: CLARKSTON VIDEO RELIANT ROBIN...CAR STUFF Message-ID: <688C4CCBB732466FB1481DBC1F9CABAD@Bud> Hi Friends....The video that I sent a few days ago...a very funny one about the Robin..was blocked by BBC copyright...so you probably rcvd. something else..Sorry for the problem.. Racer Bud From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Jul 6 08:15:43 2010 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 10:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith In-Reply-To: References: <20100702.161411.15956.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Jul 2010, Greg Petrolati wrote: > That wasn't Clarkson who nearly died... it was Hammond... Depending on your point of view, some feel things should have been the other way 'round. Though I'm glad that Hammond pulled throug okay. That was one scary crash. > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 6 09:30:14 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 17:30:14 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith In-Reply-To: References: <20100702.161411.15956.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <004601cb1d20$236c7320$6a455960$@com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN9WQfDq7Jk&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpcZsGBgvis&feature=related -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Robert M. Lang Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Juli 2010 16:16 An: Greg Petrolati Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith On Mon, 5 Jul 2010, Greg Petrolati wrote: > That wasn't Clarkson who nearly died... it was Hammond... Depending on your point of view, some feel things should have been the other way 'round. Though I'm glad that Hammond pulled throug okay. That was one scary crash. > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jul 6 09:49:57 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 08:49:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith References: <20100702.161411.15956.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <83AF2E3392B64F93969A43238D0023B0@Bud> somehow the wrong video went out when i forwarded it to FOT..the one I thought i was sending was a humorous clip of a Reliant Robin driving 14 miles, and doing a series of 'funny' rollovers.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: "Greg Petrolati" Cc: "Joe Boruch" ; ; Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith > On Mon, 5 Jul 2010, Greg Petrolati wrote: > >> That wasn't Clarkson who nearly died... it was Hammond... > > Depending on your point of view, some feel things should have been the > other way 'round. Though I'm glad that Hammond pulled throug okay. That > was one scary crash. > >> Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > 2010 NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jul 6 10:09:20 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 09:09:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith References: <20100702.161411.15956.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <004601cb1d20$236c7320$6a455960$@com> Message-ID: <30E782FBBA0C496F8615D265D2C959F6@Bud> THAT'S THE ONE...Thanks Chris! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN9WQfDq7Jk&feature=related > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpcZsGBgvis&feature=related > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Robert M. Lang > Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Juli 2010 16:16 > An: Greg Petrolati > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more > 3 > whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith > > On Mon, 5 Jul 2010, Greg Petrolati wrote: > >> That wasn't Clarkson who nearly died... it was Hammond... > > Depending on your point of view, some feel things should have been the > other way 'round. Though I'm glad that Hammond pulled throug okay. That > was one scary crash. > >> Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > 2010 NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From greenman62 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 6 10:30:07 2010 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (Greg Petrolati) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 16:30:07 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith In-Reply-To: <004601cb1d20$236c7320$6a455960$@com> References: <20100702.161411.15956.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com>, , , <004601cb1d20$236c7320$6a455960$@com> Message-ID: He and his wife wrote a book about his experience, post crash. Amazing. It's a good read and gives an insite on head injuries from the inside. Here's a link. http://www.amazon.com/Edge-My-Story-Richard-Hammond/dp/0753824043 Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: tr4racing at googlemail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 17:30:14 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN9WQfDq7Jk&feature=related > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpcZsGBgvis&feature=related > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Robert M. Lang > Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Juli 2010 16:16 > An: Greg Petrolati > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 > whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith > > On Mon, 5 Jul 2010, Greg Petrolati wrote: > > > That wasn't Clarkson who nearly died... it was Hammond... > > Depending on your point of view, some feel things should have been the > other way 'round. Though I'm glad that Hammond pulled throug okay. That > was one scary crash. > > > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > 2010 NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/greenman62 at hotmail.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jul 6 11:17:30 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 17:17:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Hoosier tire FYI Message-ID: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> For anyone using the Hoosier R6 tires. Spec Miata drivers use the SM 6 which is exactly the same tire as the R6 but 50.00 cheaper. Tire Rack doesn't sell the SM 6. They can be purchased directly from hoosier for $ 164.00 each. They will be available for sale and mounting at Heartland Park by Bob Woodman Tires. If you want the SM 6 give Evan a call at 843 524 8473. I have no financial interest, just an FYI. Jim G From mediehljr at yahoo.com Tue Jul 6 11:48:07 2010 From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 10:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August In-Reply-To: <8CCDC83117E94B0-1FCC-39D1@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCDC83117E94B0-1FCC-39D1@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <446777.49758.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello all. I am sorry to say that I will be unable to attend the Cup event at Heartland in August. It should be quite a spectacle and I wish I could be there. Hope all have a great time. Cheers, Ed. Ed Diehl ----- Original Message ---- From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, June 17, 2010 6:25:06 PM Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August FOT, I just heard a promising word on the Kastner prepared TR4 #37. It should be ready for transport to Heartland Park in August. It will be driven by it's owner, John Nikas. There will be TWO Kastner Sebring TR4s at HRP as Jeff Snook is transporting Keith Files' Sebring TR4. Driver Keith Files will be flying in from London with his wife, Denise, and ace TRIUMPH specialist, John Wood. We may be having some musical surprises, too, but I will save that for another time. This is shaping up to being an unforgettable TRIUMPH RACING WEEKEND. Regards, Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mediehljr at yahoo.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 6 12:05:39 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 20:05:39 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen race In-Reply-To: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <005001cb1d35$d84e8d90$88eba8b0$@com> http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/Videos?authkey=Gv1sRgCMHBos3mjLzQNw#549 0849592001845394 Hi, I had a very hot weekend with 98F weather heat. The tires went hot too and so the engine at close to 217F. But I managed to win my class and came in at 2nd overall. Cheers Chris From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 6 12:10:43 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:10:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August In-Reply-To: <446777.49758.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <8CCDC83117E94B0-1FCC-39D1@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> <446777.49758.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CCEB4DAECCE9E3-1E74-21AE@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> Good to hear from you Ed. Sorry you wont be coming. I will see Tony Adomowicz at Road America and see if he still plans to come. If someone has a Spitfire for him to drive...or any TR...let me know. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Ed Diehl To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August Hello all. I am sorry to say that I will be unable to attend the Cup event at eartland in August. It should be quite a spectacle and I wish I could be there. ope all have a great time. Cheers, Ed. d Diehl ----- Original Message ---- rom: "n197tr4 at cs.com" o: fot at autox.team.net ent: Thu, June 17, 2010 6:25:06 PM ubject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August FOT, I just heard a promising word on the Kastner prepared TR4 #37. It should be eady for transport to Heartland Park in August. t will be driven by it's owner, John Nikas. There will be TWO Kastner Sebring TR4s at HRP as Jeff Snook is transporting eith Files' Sebring TR4. Driver Keith Files will be flying in from London with his wife, Denise, and ce TRIUMPH specialist, John Wood. We may be having some musical surprises, too, but I will save that for another ime. This is shaping up to being an unforgettable TRIUMPH RACING WEEKEND. Regards, Joe A ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mediehljr at yahoo.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 6 12:14:07 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:14:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier tire FYI In-Reply-To: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CCEB4E28DBD83C-1E74-2242@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> This seems like good information and good to know that Woodman is going to be there. Thanks! Joe A -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: fot Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 12:17 pm Subject: [Fot] Hoosier tire FYI For anyone using the Hoosier R6 tires. Spec Miata drivers use the SM 6 which is xactly the same tire as the R6 but 50.00 cheaper. Tire Rack doesn't sell the SM 6. They can be urchased directly from hoosier for $ 164.00 each. They will be available for sale and mounting at eartland Park by Bob Woodman Tires. If you want the SM 6 give Evan a call at 843 524 8473. I have no financial interest, just an FYI. Jim G ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 6 12:52:11 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:52:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] North American Distribution of the Christian Marx Crank Seal. UPDATE Message-ID: <8CCEB5379C6A3A8-1E74-2894@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> VITON SEALS: Christian says it will be a few weeks before the second production run will be done and shipped to the U.S. I believe his seal price is presently $62 per seal, or very close to that.....I will pass that through plus some postage when I ship to you. TOOLING & MODIFIED SCROLLS: I proceeded with the machining of hard tooling to modify the scroll seal. I got the cost of the fixture and the cost per piece today. The outcome looks feasible for me to offer to Triumph owners at a reasonable price, if I can do 10 at a time. If you are interested you could send matched scroll seals in advance and I could proceed with modifying. It looks like it could be a modest $30 for the modified scroll seal. Clean the pieces as best that you can and wire the two pieces together. This will save time and confusion. Bob Kramer donated 4 sets of scroll seals to get this project going. If anyone would like to donate additional seals, that you have lying on the shelf, It will help to keep the cost of the project down. (Thanks Bob!....as usual) Looks like the cost of conversion is going to come in at about $100 with the VITON SEAL and MODIFIED SCROLL. CENTERING TOOL: We are going to select better material for the centering tool than we did for the first trial. Cost is still expected to be low so everyone can have one in their toolbox without borrowing one or guessing at it. This centering tool will work on OEM or OEM/MODIFIED seals. I should have info on this within 7 days. NOTE! A comprehensive article is being written on the installation of this seal for publication in the VTR magazine. This will be made available to the FOT if you not already a member of VTR. Assembly of the engine is now taking place and the article will be available in the next quarterly edition of the TVT. This work is being done by the very progressive TRIUMPH group near Chicago, known as the ISOA. Joe A. From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Jul 6 12:57:12 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 11:57:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August In-Reply-To: <446777.49758.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <8CCDC83117E94B0-1FCC-39D1@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> <446777.49758.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Ed: I am very sorry to hear that. I hope that all is well and that we will run into each other soon. On Jul 6, 2010 11:35 AM, "Ed Diehl" wrote: Hello all. I am sorry to say that I will be unable to attend the Cup event at Heartland in August. It should be quite a spectacle and I wish I could be there. Hope all have a great time. Cheers, Ed. Ed Diehl ----- Original Message ---- From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, June 17, 2010 6:25:06 PM Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August FOT, I just heard a promising word on the Kastner prepared TR4 #37. It should be ready for transpor... Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mediehljr at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donat... From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 6 13:00:09 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 21:00:09 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen race References: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <006001cb1d3d$788258d0$69870a70$@com> Oups - wrong link: http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490849592001845394 -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Juli 2010 20:06 An: 'fot at autox.team.net' Betreff: Assen race http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/Videos?authkey=Gv1sRgCMHBos3mjLzQNw#549 0849592001845394 Hi, I had a very hot weekend with 98F weather heat. The tires went hot too and so the engine at close to 217F. But I managed to win my class and came in at 2nd overall. Cheers Chris From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Jul 6 13:39:20 2010 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 13:39:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Parting out two TR7's Message-ID: I am parting out two TR7's to finance the war machine, the fleet of Triumphs I intend to use in my campaign of world conquest. None of the proceeds will be used to acquire liquid refreshments or to pay off my wife to allow me to go work in the garage. All the funds will be used to purchase hardware or petroleum distillates. I have two pretty good cars that have spent the majority of therre lives in the dry southwest so there is not much rust and no crash damage in the bodies. I price the stuff realistically and rarely refuse a cash offer. Let me know if I can help you with a part................................Cheers Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM 505-259-1537...... From s.janzen at comcast.net Tue Jul 6 13:56:43 2010 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 15:56:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Assen race In-Reply-To: <006001cb1d3d$788258d0$69870a70$@com> References: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <006001cb1d3d$788258d0$69870a70$@com> Message-ID: Hmmm, the "scenery" at the start of this vintage race is a bit different than most of our U.S. events! On Jul 6, 2010, at 3:00 PM, MadMarx wrote: Oups - wrong link: http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490849592001845394 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 6 13:58:34 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 21:58:34 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen race In-Reply-To: References: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <006001cb1d3d$788258d0$69870a70$@com> Message-ID: <007101cb1d45$9f0401e0$dd0c05a0$@com> Yes, it disturbed my focus on the race a little. Good that we have done an information lap after the girls left the tracklane. Got my focus back. Von: Scott Janzen [mailto:s.janzen at comcast.net] Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Juli 2010 21:57 An: MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Assen race Hmmm, the "scenery" at the start of this vintage race is a bit different than most of our U.S. events! On Jul 6, 2010, at 3:00 PM, MadMarx wrote: Oups - wrong link: http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490849592001845394 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jul 6 14:25:59 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 20:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1887821072.957141278447959775.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> " run into each other soon" >From anyone that doesn't race a car that would have flown right on by me. I got a bit of a laugh. I hope the stewards determine it to be unavoidable contact when you do...run into each other. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Nikas" To: "Ed Diehl" Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2010 12:57:12 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August Dear Ed: I am very sorry to hear that. I hope that all is well and that we will run into each other soon. On Jul 6, 2010 11:35 AM, "Ed Diehl" wrote: Hello all. I am sorry to say that I will be unable to attend the Cup event at Heartland in August. It should be quite a spectacle and I wish I could be there. Hope all have a great time. Cheers, Ed. Ed Diehl ----- Original Message ---- From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, June 17, 2010 6:25:06 PM Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August FOT, I just heard a promising word on the Kastner prepared TR4 #37. It should be ready for transpor... Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mediehljr at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donat... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Jul 6 14:28:46 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 13:28:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August In-Reply-To: <1887821072.957141278447959775.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1887821072.957141278447959775.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Uh, make that see each other soon. On Jul 6, 2010 1:26 PM, wrote: " run into each other soon" >From anyone that doesn't race a car that would have flown right on by me. I got a bit of a laugh. I hope the stewards determine it to be unavoidable contact when you do...run into each other. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Nikas" To: "Ed Diehl" References: <007701cb1d4e$71439460$53cabd20$@com> <20100706172408.MU74K.1040811.imail@fed1rmwml45> Message-ID: <007c01cb1d55$af07f0f0$0d17d2d0$@com> First race: http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490849592001845394 And the 2nd race: http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490913310955281954 Cheers Chris From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 6 15:53:40 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:53:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ATTENDING HVR? Message-ID: <8CCEB6CD490F925-1E74-487E@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> If you are a FOT but not entering and are not attached as 'CREW', please let me know. We might be able to put you to work in exchange for VIP PASSES. All bases are covered, but there may be a need for short term volunteer work. Joe A From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jul 6 23:49:29 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 00:49:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ATTENDING HVR? In-Reply-To: <8CCEB6CD490F925-1E74-487E@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCEB6CD490F925-1E74-487E@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20100707054846.981E118765E@autox.team.net> Note that early bird entry ends on July 15 (just filling it out myself). It's an extra $50 if you're late... - Tony At 04:53 PM 7/6/2010, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >If you are a FOT but not entering and are not attached as 'CREW', please let >me know. > >We might be able to put you to work in exchange for VIP PASSES. > >All bases are covered, but there may be a need for short term volunteer work. > >Joe A >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 7 07:57:57 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:57:57 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen race In-Reply-To: <4C33C1CB.7070800@pobox.com> References: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <005001cb1d35$d84e8d90$88eba8b0$@com> <4C33C1CB.7070800@pobox.com> Message-ID: <002a01cb1ddc$68e6fc10$3ab4f430$@com> Same race, different car: TR6 http://picasaweb.google.com/hzkrace/Videos#5490928013400578610 MadMarx wrote: > http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/Videos?authkey=Gv1sRgCMHBos3mjLzQNw#549 > 0849592001845394 > > Hi, > > I had a very hot weekend with 98F weather heat. > The tires went hot too and so the engine at close to 217F. > > But I managed to win my class and came in at 2nd overall. > > Cheers > Chris From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Jul 7 11:43:03 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 11:43:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Heartland configuration and pits Message-ID: <473AD64A-0D7A-448E-A078-4E2B89D6358B@earthlink.net> Hello all, Looking at the Heartland Park web-site [ http://www.hpt.com/ ] I see 4 track configurations. What will we be using? Also, the HVR web-site [ http://heartlandvintageracing.com/ ] mentions "special" pit area for us. Anyone know where that will be? I'm thinking of getting a garage or at least a pit with power but don't want to reserve anything away from the FoT "action". Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Jul 7 11:45:03 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 17:45:03 GMT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen National Message-ID: <20100707.134503.26594.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Any FOTers going to be around Watkins Glen this weekend? I will be racing my TR3 in the SCCA Double National. Look me up if you will be around. Also, I have room on my crew list if there is interest. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c34bd274f1ae1b2f80st03duc From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 7 12:25:50 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 20:25:50 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen race In-Reply-To: References: <007701cb1d4e$71439460$53cabd20$@com>, <20100706172408.MU74K.1040811.imail@fed1rmwml45>, <007c01cb1d55$af07f0f0$0d17d2d0$@com> Message-ID: <001201cb1e01$d4fdbb30$7ef93190$@com> The Morgan is a +8 and Im really unhappy with his driving but he is another capacity class so I dont care too much. Im working on a race report about the race where he gets a special speech. Cheers Chris Von: Dan Forgey [mailto:cofrog at q.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. Juli 2010 18:07 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: RE: [Fot] Assen race Chris, The Morgan driver was pretty aggressive to say the least. Is the Morgan a Super Sport or something else? Seems pretty quick for a Plus four or Four Four. Dan Forgey > From: tr4racing at googlemail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 23:53:33 +0200 > Subject: [Fot] Assen race > > First race: > > http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490849592001845394 > > And the 2nd race: > > http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490913310955281954 > > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 7 12:28:21 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 20:28:21 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen race In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FBD9@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <006001cb1d3d$788258d0$69870a70$@com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FBD9@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <001701cb1e02$2eaeda10$8c0c8e30$@com> I would say that we normally do close racing but never push other cars off track as we are only there for the beer. The Morgan did a little dirty driving I never would do. But this is what prevents me from becoming a pro racer, because I'm not willing to touch other cars. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. Juli 2010 16:46 An: MadMarx Betreff: RE: [Fot] Assen race Wow - that's some really aggressive driving by the Morgan driver, for a vintage race. Is this normal? Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 2:00 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Assen race Oups - wrong link: http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490849592001845394 -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Juli 2010 20:06 An: 'fot at autox.team.net' Betreff: Assen race http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/Videos?authkey=Gv1sRgCMHBos3mjLzQNw #549 0849592001845394 Hi, I had a very hot weekend with 98F weather heat. The tires went hot too and so the engine at close to 217F. But I managed to win my class and came in at 2nd overall. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From adams910 at gmail.com Wed Jul 7 12:35:17 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:35:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen National In-Reply-To: <20100707.134503.26594.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> References: <20100707.134503.26594.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: "The 71 Crowd" will be there with Kyle Disque's GTL Toyota and Chris Howard's FP Miata. From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 7 16:43:22 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 18:43:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] OIL COOLER SYSTEM AVAILABLE - TR3 TR4 Message-ID: <8CCEC3CEFEC3C84-1B0-2EC0@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> LIST, After hearing a thread on oil coolers, I remembered that I had the complete system on a shelf somewhere. I installed in 1992 and removed it when I decided we were running oil temps lower than desired and taping the cooler opening to raise temps. I elected not to install on the AMBRO either as it will likely only see light duty. Sandwich Plate & Attachment Hardware Braided Hoses & All Fittings Oil Cooler $125.00 To the FOT or off to eBAY with it. Thanks, Joe A From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Wed Jul 7 17:29:43 2010 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 19:29:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] I'm in Message-ID: <4C350DE7.9080403@twcny.rr.com> Sorry for bombing the list but I couldn't figure out how to respond to just Joe. I would love to drop by this weekend if you have crew space. Best, Mark From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 7 18:07:12 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 20:07:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Heartland configuration and pits for the FOT In-Reply-To: <71D45743356C49A98E5AA518B112FF23@main> References: <473AD64A-0D7A-448E-A078-4E2B89D6358B@earthlink.net> <8CCEC1BE5076097-1E74-F784@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> <71D45743356C49A98E5AA518B112FF23@main> Message-ID: <8CCEC48A693812B-1B0-3C13@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> Fot: See description of our location at Heartland, below. It sounds like we will be in proximity of the GARAGES if anyone wants to rent same. (A lot of detailed planning has gone into this inaugural event that we will benefit by.) If you have any new/used parts you want sell, you might consider getting together with a couple of guys and renting vendor space for $100 10' x 20' My regards to primary organizer Bill Rinke.....one of the AGE & TREACHERY guys from the area. Joe A Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 6:11 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland configuration and pits Joe, the Map on the website under the Racing button does show the facility layout. The garages do have designated parking areas in front of them for support vehicles. Right behind or East of that area (running north to south) is where we will have a roped off area for all of the Triumphs that plan to be in the Kastner Cup race. That area will be secured and will only allow Triumph race cars into it. I am guessing about 45-50 Triumph race drivers will paddock in that area. Obviously, some drivers will want to paddock with their buddies and that is fine but they will be elsewhere within the paddock area. The Exhibition Group cars will be in a secure area just East of where the Kastner Cup cars are to be located. Hope this answers your question. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: Lunkercars at earthlink.net ; brinke at cebridge.net Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland configuration and pits Bill, Do you have a drawing of our intended location? Joe -----Original Message----- From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer To: fot Triumph Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 12:43 pm Subject: [Fot] Heartland configuration and pits Hello all, ooking at the Heartland Park web-site [ http://www.hpt.com/ ] I see track configurations. What will we be using? lso, the HVR web-site [ http://heartlandvintageracing.com/ ] entions "special" pit area for us. Anyone know where that will be? 'm thinking of getting a garage or at least a pit with power but on't want to reserve anything away from the FoT "action". Greg "Lunker" Hilyer R4 #314 lbuquerque NM ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2987 - Release Date: 07/07/10 01:36:00 From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jul 7 18:20:14 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 18:20:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Assen race In-Reply-To: <002a01cb1ddc$68e6fc10$3ab4f430$@com> References: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <005001cb1d35$d84e8d90$88eba8b0$@com> <4C33C1CB.7070800@pobox.com> <002a01cb1ddc$68e6fc10$3ab4f430$@com> Message-ID: <4C3519BE.5020706@bradakis.com> Yes indeed, I did like the pit marshalls. *PIT* marshalls, Mark, with a 'P' - Pit mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jul 7 19:01:35 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 19:01:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] I'm in In-Reply-To: <4C350DE7.9080403@twcny.rr.com> References: <4C350DE7.9080403@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <4C35236F.8010700@bradakis.com> Mark Eginton wrote: > Sorry for bombing the list but I couldn't figure out how to respond to > just Joe. In most web based mail programs you can click on a 'Reply' button or some such. For Team.Net lists that reply should go just to the person who sent the message. A 'Reply All' will usually go to the person who sent the message AND the list. Many list admins have the reply address set to go to the whole list and not just the original poster. In my opinion, though, it is easier to resend a message to the whole list after you realize you only sent it to one person than it is to "unsend" a message you meant to go to only one person but went to the entire list. Sort of a "Did I really say that out loud?" sort of situation. On a side note, I don't think any of you are affected by the AT&T block of Team.Net, but I will be going through the bounce and list removal logs to make sure. What fun. mjb. mjb. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jul 8 16:19:27 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 17:19:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Assen race References: <007701cb1d4e$71439460$53cabd20$@com>, <20100706172408.MU74K.1040811.imail@fed1rmwml45>, <007c01cb1d55$af07f0f0$0d17d2d0$@com> <001201cb1e01$d4fdbb30$7ef93190$@com> Message-ID: <863B22DC806046AB9C42B3903D399955@latitudefb1e41> I seem to remember a Plus 8 Morgan at the 2004 VIR Gold Cup Triumph event that acted similarly. He couldn't stand being out braked by lowly TR4's so he would dive deep into the turns only to spin. I watched him spin 3 times, twice in one race. In our racing group, CVAR, you get a stop and go for the first one, and are parked for the second one. This guy got to keep driving with no penalties. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Assen race > The Morgan is a +8 and Im really unhappy with his driving but he is > another > capacity class so I dont care too much. Im working on a race report > about > the race where he gets a special speech. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > Von: Dan Forgey [mailto:cofrog at q.com] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. Juli 2010 18:07 > An: tr4racing at googlemail.com > Betreff: RE: [Fot] Assen race > > > > Chris, > > The Morgan driver was pretty aggressive to say the least. Is the Morgan a > Super Sport or something else? Seems pretty quick for a Plus four or Four > Four. > > Dan Forgey > >> From: tr4racing at googlemail.com >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 23:53:33 +0200 >> Subject: [Fot] Assen race >> >> First race: >> >> http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490849592001845394 >> >> And the 2nd race: >> >> http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490913310955281954 >> >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From s.janzen at comcast.net Thu Jul 8 20:26:46 2010 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 22:26:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] u-joint alignment? Message-ID: <034DEBD8-2B4B-4823-AED6-73959F0F15A0@comcast.net> On drive shafts and half shafts, should the axis of the u-joints be aligned to the one on the other end, perpendicular, or something in between, or does it matter? On the half-shafts on my GT6, I don't think I can get perfect alignment given how the spines are machined - looks to be 5-10 degrees off. From mpendy at dishmail.net Fri Jul 9 07:33:56 2010 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 06:33:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods Message-ID: Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application of the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they sounded like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input ??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jul 9 08:41:49 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 09:41:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100709144107.B9DFD18765E@autox.team.net> Here's what I was able to find on the chevy rods - Message from Jack in 2007: I continue to work on lower cost rods for our TR's. I need an indication of the level of interest in the Triumph community for this project. if I can get about five customers, the project is a "go". Here's what I have come up with so far: Four aftermarket Chevy rods, pins, clips, and spacers for $500 Here's how this works: The rods are the right length so TR pistons can be used. The crank must be turned a few thousandths to accept the Chevy rod bearing. The rods would be modified by my machine shop so the upper end is the right diameter for the stock TR pin. Two spacers for each piston would be included. These rods are 50 grams lighter than the Carillos so theoretically they give a significant acceleration advantage. They are made by Probe, a supplier to the V8 racing community. These rods are narrower than the TR rod, so they leave a gap on each side of the rod down on the crank journal. The rods are guided by the piston, with a high strength aluminum spacer on each side of the upper end of the rod.This is not a problem for the lubrication system. it just requires one more turn on the pressure adjusting screw to take care of additional flow at high rpm. The crank journals must be ground by a few thousandsths. Then you use .020 undersize Chevy bearings which are quite a bit lower in cost. Grinding it undersize is no problem for future grinds because these Chevy bearings are made in undersizes down to .060 undersize. uncle jack Unfortunately, he didn't include info on which rods he was using. Stock rods are 6.125" bore to bore. I suspect that it's something like this: http://www.jegs.com/i/Eagle/356/CRS6250B3D/10002/-1?parentProductId=744628 The crank diameter is pretty much right with that rod - the crank journal specified in the text is 2.100", and ours is 2.086 when not undersized. Grind 6 thou off and you can use the bearings as specified above. I believe that there was a minor mod to the rods to allow them to pass through an 87mm liner. Piston spacers were made from 6160 aluminum. - Tony Drews At 08:33 AM 7/9/2010, you wrote: >Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application of >the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor >engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they sounded >like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input >??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Jul 9 09:05:12 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:05:12 EDT Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods Message-ID: <39ce0.62baab05.396894a8@cs.com> We have had them in our engine for about three years. I am looking for the spec sheet on them.......somewhere on my computer. They require grinding the crank to another dimension so you can use Chevy Bearings (cheap & good) (Clevite 777?) They also need to be rebushed with good bronze bushings. Spacers need to be produced to center the rod in the piston. I adjusted the pressure on the oil pressure regulator up slightly to get it back to the same reading, as it is narrower at the low end. I'd have to say that I am pleased with Uncle Jack's research leading to this change. There are some one time costs, but that should settle out to bearing replacement. I think the Clevite bearings about $25 for a set of eight. Joe A > Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application > of > the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor > engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they > sounded > like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input > ??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 > From bownes at seiri.com Fri Jul 9 09:28:24 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:28:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: <39ce0.62baab05.396894a8@cs.com> References: <39ce0.62baab05.396894a8@cs.com> Message-ID: Now if only we could find something similar for the 6 cylinder... On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:05 AM, wrote: > We have had them in our engine for about three years. > > I am looking for the spec sheet on them.......somewhere on my computer. > > They require grinding the crank to another dimension so you can use Chevy > Bearings (cheap & good) (Clevite 777?) > > They also need to be rebushed with good bronze bushings. > > Spacers need to be produced to center the rod in the piston. > > I adjusted the pressure on the oil pressure regulator up slightly to get it > back to the same reading, as it is narrower at the low end. > > I'd have to say that I am pleased with Uncle Jack's research leading to > this change. > > There are some one time costs, but that should settle out to bearing > replacement. > > I think the Clevite bearings about $25 for a set of eight. > > Joe A > > > > > Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application > > of > > the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor > > engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they > > sounded > > like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input > > ??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From John.Reed at wilson.com Fri Jul 9 09:39:15 2010 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 10:39:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ditto On 7/9/10 10:28 AM, "robert bownes" wrote: > Now if only we could find something similar for the 6 cylinder... > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:05 AM, wrote: > >> We have had them in our engine for about three years. >> >> I am looking for the spec sheet on them.......somewhere on my computer. >> >> They require grinding the crank to another dimension so you can use Chevy >> Bearings (cheap & good) (Clevite 777?) >> >> They also need to be rebushed with good bronze bushings. >> >> Spacers need to be produced to center the rod in the piston. >> >> I adjusted the pressure on the oil pressure regulator up slightly to get it >> back to the same reading, as it is narrower at the low end. >> >> I'd have to say that I am pleased with Uncle Jack's research leading to >> this change. >> >> There are some one time costs, but that should settle out to bearing >> replacement. >> >> I think the Clevite bearings about $25 for a set of eight. >> >> Joe A >> >> >> >>> Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application >>> of >>> the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor >>> engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they >>> sounded >>> like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input >>> ??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john.reed at wilson.com > > Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From fasttrs at yahoo.com Fri Jul 9 09:53:20 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 10:53:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: References: <39ce0.62baab05.396894a8@cs.com> Message-ID: Amen! Carrillos were 480 the last time I checked. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2010, at 10:28 AM, robert bownes wrote: > Now if only we could find something similar for the 6 cylinder... > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:05 AM, wrote: > >> We have had them in our engine for about three years. >> >> I am looking for the spec sheet on them.......somewhere on my computer. >> >> They require grinding the crank to another dimension so you can use Chevy >> Bearings (cheap & good) (Clevite 777?) >> >> They also need to be rebushed with good bronze bushings. >> >> Spacers need to be produced to center the rod in the piston. >> >> I adjusted the pressure on the oil pressure regulator up slightly to get it >> back to the same reading, as it is narrower at the low end. >> >> I'd have to say that I am pleased with Uncle Jack's research leading to >> this change. >> >> There are some one time costs, but that should settle out to bearing >> replacement. >> >> I think the Clevite bearings about $25 for a set of eight. >> >> Joe A >> >> >> >>> Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application >>> of >>> the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor >>> engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they >>> sounded >>> like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input >>> ??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Jul 9 09:55:58 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 10:55:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C37468E.5010601@pobox.com> The rods I used are made by Skat for 2.10 inch crank pins and 6.25 length. You can find bearings for as small as 2.00. I modified (welded) the crankshaft by making the bearing journal narrower. An old post by Greg Solow indicated modifying the crank to increase the radius where they always crack is a good idea, so I did that at the same time. The only problem with this was that welding on the crank made it difficult to straighten for grinding and nitriding. You could also have a Moldex made for Chevy rods. I was having custom pistons made by Wiseco and had them made for the chevy wrist pin (no extra cost). I don't like the way that chevy rod bearings are not symmetric (side-to-side) because they are designed for one side to be against the neighboring rod (no radius). I think a better bet are the Skat rods for a VW Jetta. They are a bit longer than stock TR4, but that is not a problem if you are having customs pistons made. Other possibilities for rods are the Ford Triton V8 and (believe it are not) 7 inch rods for the Ford Flathead V8 (very light). Larry Young Mark Pendergrass wrote: > Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application of > the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor > engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they sounded > like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input > ??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jul 9 10:53:38 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 18:53:38 +0200 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: <4C37468E.5010601@pobox.com> References: <4C37468E.5010601@pobox.com> Message-ID: <000301cb1f87$4834ffb0$d89eff10$@com> I run also Scat rods (2-54L-6657) from a Ford which has the same diameter than Triumph. The rods length is 6.65". I center the rod with the piston which are narrow made to the rods specific. I run this config since 2008 and I does last. This year I test a very tight rod bearing clearance - 0.00157" to see if the bearing wear is decreased as the bearings tend to run on their edge with much clearance. Over the next weeks I open the motor to have a look and can tell you. This year the engine has run 625 race mls and 400 street mls this year. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Larry Young Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 17:56 An: Mark Pendergrass Cc: friends of triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods The rods I used are made by Skat for 2.10 inch crank pins and 6.25 length. You can find bearings for as small as 2.00. I modified (welded) the crankshaft by making the bearing journal narrower. An old post by Greg Solow indicated modifying the crank to increase the radius where they always crack is a good idea, so I did that at the same time. The only problem with this was that welding on the crank made it difficult to straighten for grinding and nitriding. You could also have a Moldex made for Chevy rods. I was having custom pistons made by Wiseco and had them made for the chevy wrist pin (no extra cost). I don't like the way that chevy rod bearings are not symmetric (side-to-side) because they are designed for one side to be against the neighboring rod (no radius). I think a better bet are the Skat rods for a VW Jetta. They are a bit longer than stock TR4, but that is not a problem if you are having customs pistons made. Other possibilities for rods are the Ford Triton V8 and (believe it are not) 7 inch rods for the Ford Flathead V8 (very light). Larry Young Mark Pendergrass wrote: > Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application of > the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor > engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they sounded > like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input > ??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Fri Jul 9 12:29:52 2010 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 18:29:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? Message-ID: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello All: Need some opinions on what I think might be a problem with my 1969 TR6 water temp gauge is an electrical unit. Scenario: recently, I've noticed the car running a bit hot, ie, the needle within an 1/8" of the red zone on the gauge. I recall at normal operating temp, the needle should be closer to half way (ambient daytime temps in the 80 - 90 degree range). Once the needle reaches this "hot" location, it never seems to come back down at all, regardless of whether I'm at speed or stopped. To me, this is not normal. What I've done so far: flushed the cooling system, filled with about 35% anit-freeze, remainder with distilled water; added a few ounces of Water Wetter; new temp sensor, new thermostat (180 degree), timing checked and spot on. So far no difference in the way the gauge reacts, indicates the engine is still running hot so I'm wondering if I might have a gauge going bad. Anyone have an experience with a faulty water temp gauge? Does it gradually go bad and give false readings? Thanks. Gary From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Fri Jul 9 13:02:08 2010 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 19:02:08 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20100709190208.THG9W.138377.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> I'd pull the sensor and put it in some hot or boiling water while hooked to your gauge and see what it reads. Bob ---- vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote: > Hello All: > > > Need some opinions on what I think might be a problem with my 1969 TR6 water temp gauge is an electrical unit. Scenario: recently, I've noticed the car running a bit hot, ie, the needle within an 1/8" of the red zone on the gauge. I recall at normal operating temp, the needle should be closer to half way (ambient daytime temps in the 80 - 90 degree range). Once the needle reaches this "hot" location, it never seems to come back down at all, regardless of whether I'm at speed or stopped. To me, this is not normal. > > > What I've done so far: flushed the cooling system, filled with about 35% anit-freeze, remainder with distilled water; added a few ounces of Water Wetter; new temp sensor, new thermostat (180 degree), timing checked and spot on. So far no difference in the way the gauge reacts, indicates the engine is still running hot so I'm wondering if I might have a gauge going bad. Anyone have an experience with a faulty water temp gauge? Does it gradually go bad and give false readings? Thanks. > > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Jul 9 13:06:42 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 12:06:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <002001cb1f99$deb6cb50$9c2461f0$@rr.com> > Need some opinions on what I think might be a problem with my 1969 TR6 > water temp gauge is an electrical unit. Well, that's your first mistake, IMO. For racing, I would definitely replace that thing with a 270 sweep mechanical unit. > Does it gradually go bad and give false readings? If this is the stock TR6 gauge, I would suspect the voltage stabilizer; which is a little metal can on the back of the speedo (I think). The gauge is voltage dependant and expects a 10 volt (average) supply. The VS chops up the voltage from the battery, to create a long-term 10 volt average to the gauge. -- Randall From riverside at southslope.net Fri Jul 9 14:01:41 2010 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 15:01:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <002001cb1f99$deb6cb50$9c2461f0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <004201cb1fa1$8d3fb770$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor on sale at 29.95. it has a slug of uses including verifying temp gauge accuracy. art de armond ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? >> Need some opinions on what I think might be a problem with my 1969 TR6 >> water temp gauge is an electrical unit. > > Well, that's your first mistake, IMO. For racing, I would definitely > replace that thing with a 270 sweep mechanical unit. > >> Does it gradually go bad and give false readings? > > If this is the stock TR6 gauge, I would suspect the voltage stabilizer; > which is a little metal can on the back of the speedo (I think). The > gauge > is voltage dependant and expects a 10 volt (average) supply. The VS chops > up the voltage from the battery, to create a long-term 10 volt average to > the gauge. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Jul 9 15:21:36 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 14:21:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <004201cb1fa1$8d3fb770$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <002001cb1f99$deb6cb50$9c2461f0$@rr.com> <004201cb1fa1$8d3fb770$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <000601cb1fac$b7038bd0$250aa370$@rr.com> > Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor > on sale at 29.95. it has a slug of uses including > verifying temp gauge accuracy. But be careful what you try to shoot with it. I have one, and while it works well enough on the radiator tanks, it gives readings that are all over the place from the thermostat housing or radiator core. -- Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jul 9 15:31:35 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 23:31:35 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <000601cb1fac$b7038bd0$250aa370$@rr.com> References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <002001cb1f99$deb6cb50$9c2461f0$@rr.com> <004201cb1fa1$8d3fb770$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> <000601cb1fac$b7038bd0$250aa370$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000801cb1fae$1e0696f0$5a13c4d0$@com> Infrared gauges are precise on colored surfaces like a black coated radiator or rubber hoses. If you try to measure polished metal surfaces you will get much lower readings which has something to do with radiation on metal surfaces. If you would like to measure the thermostat housing put a strap tape on the housing, wait a few seconds for the tape to adjust temperature and then measure the tape and you'll get the correct temperature. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Randall Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:22 An: 'Friends of Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor > on sale at 29.95. it has a slug of uses including > verifying temp gauge accuracy. But be careful what you try to shoot with it. I have one, and while it works well enough on the radiator tanks, it gives readings that are all over the place from the thermostat housing or radiator core. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From bownes at seiri.com Fri Jul 9 15:38:14 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 17:38:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <000801cb1fae$1e0696f0$5a13c4d0$@com> References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <002001cb1f99$deb6cb50$9c2461f0$@rr.com> <004201cb1fa1$8d3fb770$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> <000601cb1fac$b7038bd0$250aa370$@rr.com> <000801cb1fae$1e0696f0$5a13c4d0$@com> Message-ID: How are they on tires? On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:31 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Infrared gauges are precise on colored surfaces like a black coated > radiator > or rubber hoses. > If you try to measure polished metal surfaces you will get much lower > readings which has something to do with radiation on metal surfaces. > > If you would like to measure the thermostat housing put a strap tape on the > housing, wait a few seconds for the tape to adjust temperature and then > measure the tape and you'll get the correct temperature. > > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Randall > Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:22 > An: 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > > > Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor > > on sale at 29.95. it has a slug of uses including > > verifying temp gauge accuracy. > > But be careful what you try to shoot with it. I have one, and while it > works well enough on the radiator tanks, it gives readings that are all > over > the place from the thermostat housing or radiator core. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jul 9 15:42:13 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 23:42:13 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <002001cb1f99$deb6cb50$9c2461f0$@rr.com> <004201cb1fa1$8d3fb770$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> <000601cb1fac$b7038bd0$250aa370$@rr.com> <000801cb1fae$1e0696f0$5a13c4d0$@com> Message-ID: <000c01cb1faf$9ac969a0$d05c3ce0$@com> I use them on tires very successful. But if you measure your tire temperature after youve driven through the paddock a probe type sensor which you push into the surface for a few millimeters is better at that point because the surface is cooling down fast while deeper under the surface the heat remains longer. So if you measure in the paddock add a few degree F. Chris Von: robert bownes [mailto:bownes at seiri.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:38 An: MadMarx Cc: Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? How are they on tires? On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:31 PM, MadMarx wrote: Infrared gauges are precise on colored surfaces like a black coated radiator or rubber hoses. If you try to measure polished metal surfaces you will get much lower readings which has something to do with radiation on metal surfaces. If you would like to measure the thermostat housing put a strap tape on the housing, wait a few seconds for the tape to adjust temperature and then measure the tape and you'll get the correct temperature. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Randall Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:22 An: 'Friends of Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor > on sale at 29.95. it has a slug of uses including > verifying temp gauge accuracy. But be careful what you try to shoot with it. I have one, and while it works well enough on the radiator tanks, it gives readings that are all over the place from the thermostat housing or radiator core. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From riverside at southslope.net Fri Jul 9 16:04:34 2010 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 17:04:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><002001cb1f99$deb6cb50$9c2461f0$@rr.com><004201cb1fa1$8d3fb770$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2><000601cb1fac$b7038bd0$250aa370$@rr.com><000801cb1fae$1e0696f0$5a13c4d0$@com> <000c01cb1faf$9ac969a0$d05c3ce0$@com> Message-ID: <005101cb1fb2$b74763e0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> mine gets erratic when near ignition system components. art d ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? >I use them on tires very successful. > > But if you measure your tire temperature after youve driven through the > paddock a probe type sensor which you push into the surface for a few > millimeters is better at that point because the surface is cooling down > fast > while deeper under the surface the heat remains longer. > > So if you measure in the paddock add a few degree F. > > > > Chris > > > > Von: robert bownes [mailto:bownes at seiri.com] > Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:38 > An: MadMarx > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > > > > How are they on tires? > > > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:31 PM, MadMarx wrote: > > Infrared gauges are precise on colored surfaces like a black coated > radiator > or rubber hoses. > If you try to measure polished metal surfaces you will get much lower > readings which has something to do with radiation on metal surfaces. > > If you would like to measure the thermostat housing put a strap tape on > the > housing, wait a few seconds for the tape to adjust temperature and then > measure the tape and you'll get the correct temperature. > > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Randall > Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:22 > An: 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > >> Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor >> on sale at 29.95. it has a slug of uses including >> verifying temp gauge accuracy. > > But be careful what you try to shoot with it. I have one, and while it > works well enough on the radiator tanks, it gives readings that are all > over > the place from the thermostat housing or radiator core. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net From pcdelux at verizon.net Fri Jul 9 16:36:21 2010 From: pcdelux at verizon.net (William Dewar) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:36:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <002001cb1f99$deb6cb50$9c2461f0$@rr.com> <004201cb1fa1$8d3fb770$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> <000601cb1fac$b7038bd0$250aa370$@rr.com> <000801cb1fae$1e0696f0$5a13c4d0$@com> Message-ID: <002f01cb1fb7$28a4db40$2101a8c0@userge6zixcg5r> Definitely verify the actual temperature. I have seen many new sending units for MGB and TR6 that read high. Bill DeWar NJTA ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > Infrared gauges are precise on colored surfaces like a black coated > radiator > or rubber hoses. > If you try to measure polished metal surfaces you will get much lower > readings which has something to do with radiation on metal surfaces. > > If you would like to measure the thermostat housing put a strap tape on > the > housing, wait a few seconds for the tape to adjust temperature and then > measure the tape and you'll get the correct temperature. > > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Randall > Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:22 > An: 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > >> Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor >> on sale at 29.95. it has a slug of uses including >> verifying temp gauge accuracy. > > But be careful what you try to shoot with it. I have one, and while it > works well enough on the radiator tanks, it gives readings that are all > over > the place from the thermostat housing or radiator core. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pcdelux at verizon.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Jul 9 16:46:11 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 22:46:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <792380626.1997701278715571410.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I wouldn't use an infrared gauge on tires if you are trying to get three points on the tire. You really need a probe. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert bownes" To: "MadMarx" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, July 9, 2010 3:38:14 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? How are they on tires? On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:31 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Infrared gauges are precise on colored surfaces like a black coated > radiator > or rubber hoses. > If you try to measure polished metal surfaces you will get much lower > readings which has something to do with radiation on metal surfaces. > > If you would like to measure the thermostat housing put a strap tape on the > housing, wait a few seconds for the tape to adjust temperature and then > measure the tape and you'll get the correct temperature. > > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Randall > Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:22 > An: 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > > > Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor > > on sale at 29.95. B B it has a slug of uses including > > verifying temp gauge accuracy. > > But be careful what you try to shoot with it. B I have one, and while it > works well enough on the radiator tanks, it gives readings that are all > over > the place from the thermostat housing or radiator core. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Fri Jul 9 16:57:45 2010 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:57:45 +1000 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods Message-ID: the though of narrower rods at the big end region worries me. I run an engine shop, and know from bitter experience, that excessive side clearance at the big end, is a major source of engine rattles and loss of oil pressure. most rods have a limit of about 0.005"-0.008" and in our race engines, we run them down as low as we can get. there are plenty of custom made rods for TR engines, so why would one bother with an concept that has an intrinsic design flaw? Terry O'Beirne From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 9 17:12:23 2010 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 16:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <927947.55742.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> .....and then there are those who would embrace that condition at the big end. less friction etc. DD the though of narrower rods at the big end region worries me. I run an engine shop, and know from bitter experience, that excessive side clearance at the big end, is a major source of engine rattles and loss of oil pressure. most rods have a limit of about 0.005"-0.008" and in our race engines, we run them down as low as we can get. there are plenty of custom made rods for TR engines, so why would one bother with an concept that has an intrinsic design flaw? Terry O'Beirne _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Fri Jul 9 17:52:20 2010 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 19:52:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: In my case with a TR4A, the fuel gauge also was reading incorrectly. A new voltage stabilizer fixed the problem. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:29 PM Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > Hello All: > > > Need some opinions on what I think might be a problem with my 1969 TR6 > water temp gauge is an electrical unit. Scenario: recently, I've noticed > the car running a bit hot, ie, the needle within an 1/8" of the red zone > on the gauge. I recall at normal operating temp, the needle should be > closer to half way (ambient daytime temps in the 80 - 90 degree range). > Once the needle reaches this "hot" location, it never seems to come back > down at all, regardless of whether I'm at speed or stopped. To me, this is > not normal. > > > What I've done so far: flushed the cooling system, filled with about 35% > anit-freeze, remainder with distilled water; added a few ounces of Water > Wetter; new temp sensor, new thermostat (180 degree), timing checked and > spot on. So far no difference in the way the gauge reacts, indicates the > engine is still running hot so I'm wondering if I might have a gauge going > bad. Anyone have an experience with a faulty water temp gauge? Does it > gradually go bad and give false readings? Thanks. > > > Gary From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Jul 9 19:13:49 2010 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 20:13:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000e01cb1fcd$27cfaef0$776f0cd0$@com> As I recall, the voltage stabilizer also supplies the voltage for the fuel gauge in the stock setup, at least on the TR4-A. So if it's the voltage stabilizer you would also have erratic readings on the fuel gauge. Also, as I recall, when the voltage stabilizer goes bad, both the temp and fuel gauge get pegged. Happened to my wife when driving the TR4-A many, many years ago, so memory may not be correct. I'd have to check an original schematic and compare to the TR6 schematic. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of vintage.racer at comcast.net Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 1:30 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? Hello All: Need some opinions on what I think might be a problem with my 1969 TR6 water temp gauge is an electrical unit. Scenario: recently, I've noticed the car running a bit hot, ie, the needle within an 1/8" of the red zone on the gauge. I recall at normal operating temp, the needle should be closer to half way (ambient daytime temps in the 80 - 90 degree range). Once the needle reaches this "hot" location, it never seems to come back down at all, regardless of whether I'm at speed or stopped. To me, this is not normal. What I've done so far: flushed the cooling system, filled with about 35% anit-freeze, remainder with distilled water; added a few ounces of Water Wetter; new temp sensor, new thermostat (180 degree), timing checked and spot on. So far no difference in the way the gauge reacts, indicates the engine is still running hot so I'm wondering if I might have a gauge going bad. Anyone have an experience with a faulty water temp gauge? Does it gradually go bad and give false readings? Thanks. Gary _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jul 9 21:34:22 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 23:34:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CCEDF7EBD51FAB-34D0-DC5C@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> my voltage stabilizer was missing and read high, of course. installed it and the tr4 showed normal operating temps. -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Van Vlack To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; Friends of Triumph Sent: Fri, Jul 9, 2010 6:52 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In my case with a TR4A, the fuel gauge also was reading incorrectly. A new voltage stabilizer fixed the problem. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:29 PM Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > Hello All: > > > Need some opinions on what I think might be a problem with my 1969 TR6 > water temp gauge is an electrical unit. Scenario: recently, I've noticed > the car running a bit hot, ie, the needle within an 1/8" of the red zone > on the gauge. I recall at normal operating temp, the needle should be > closer to half way (ambient daytime temps in the 80 - 90 degree range). > Once the needle reaches this "hot" location, it never seems to come back > down at all, regardless of whether I'm at speed or stopped. To me, this is > not normal. > > > What I've done so far: flushed the cooling system, filled with about 35% > anit-freeze, remainder with distilled water; added a few ounces of Water > Wetter; new temp sensor, new thermostat (180 degree), timing checked and > spot on. So far no difference in the way the gauge reacts, indicates the > engine is still running hot so I'm wondering if I might have a gauge going > bad. Anyone have an experience with a faulty water temp gauge? Does it > gradually go bad and give false readings? Thanks. > > > Gary _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Jul 10 00:10:14 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 01:10:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: <57602.98930.qm@web111011.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20100709144107.B9DFD18765E@autox.team.net> <57602.98930.qm@web111011.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100710060939.03F1A18766A@autox.team.net> From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jul 10 05:47:52 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 13:47:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <792380626.1997701278715571410.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <792380626.1997701278715571410.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000701cb2025$bbafcad0$330f6070$@com> An infrared gauge is like a camera, it sees heat instead of visible light (different wave length) Some people think with a laser pointer on this gauge you measure the point of the laser b WRONG! The laser shows only the direction you look at with the gauge but depending if you have a wide lense or narrow lense view in your gauge you measureing about an bigger area. So if you want to measure SPOTS on a tire then hold the gauge directly on the surface without any distance, then you do a spot measuring. Cheers Chris Von: toodamnfunky at comcast.net [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net] Gesendet: Samstag, 10. Juli 2010 00:46 An: robert bownes Cc: Friends of Triumph; MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? I wouldn't use an infrared gauge on tires if you are trying to get three points on the tire. You really need a probe. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert bownes" To: "MadMarx" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, July 9, 2010 3:38:14 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? How are they on tires? On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:31 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Infrared gauges are precise on colored surfaces like a black coated > radiator > or rubber hoses. > If you try to measure polished metal surfaces you will get much lower > readings which has something to do with radiation on metal surfaces. > > If you would like to measure the thermostat housing put a strap tape on the > housing, wait a few seconds for the tape to adjust temperature and then > measure the tape and you'll get the correct temperature. > > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Randall > Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:22 > An: 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > > > Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor > > on sale at 29.95. it has a slug of uses including > > verifying temp gauge accuracy. > > But be careful what you try to shoot with it. I have one, and while it > works well enough on the radiator tanks, it gives readings that are all > over > the place from the thermostat housing or radiator core. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jul 10 05:57:14 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 13:57:14 +0200 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: References: <39ce0.62baab05.396894a8@cs.com> Message-ID: <000c01cb2027$0bc19340$2344b9c0$@com> There are similar rods for the TR6 from Opel F3 cars. They are titanium made and have narrow big ends. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von robert bownes Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 17:28 An: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods Now if only we could find something similar for the 6 cylinder... On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:05 AM, wrote: > We have had them in our engine for about three years. > > I am looking for the spec sheet on them.......somewhere on my computer. > > They require grinding the crank to another dimension so you can use Chevy > Bearings (cheap & good) (Clevite 777?) > > They also need to be rebushed with good bronze bushings. > > Spacers need to be produced to center the rod in the piston. > > I adjusted the pressure on the oil pressure regulator up slightly to get it > back to the same reading, as it is narrower at the low end. > > I'd have to say that I am pleased with Uncle Jack's research leading to > this change. > > There are some one time costs, but that should settle out to bearing > replacement. > > I think the Clevite bearings about $25 for a set of eight. > > Joe A > > > > > Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application > > of > > the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor > > engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they > > sounded > > like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input > > ??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jul 10 06:02:18 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:02:18 +0200 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000d01cb2027$bf879be0$3e96d3a0$@com> As far I run these rods I have up to 95 PSI pressure and if the engine gets very during a hot weather race like in Assen the last weekend the pressure drops down to 80PSI. Idle pressure is 50PSI and after a hot weather race 35PSI. Main points about the rod are: They are cheap 8 rods for 500$ They are long They are 40gr lighter than Carillos Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Enquiries Road & Track Gesendet: Samstag, 10. Juli 2010 00:58 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods the though of narrower rods at the big end region worries me. I run an engine shop, and know from bitter experience, that excessive side clearance at the big end, is a major source of engine rattles and loss of oil pressure. most rods have a limit of about 0.005"-0.008" and in our race engines, we run them down as low as we can get. there are plenty of custom made rods for TR engines, so why would one bother with an concept that has an intrinsic design flaw? Terry O'Beirne _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Jul 10 07:36:08 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:36:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: <000d01cb2027$bf879be0$3e96d3a0$@com> References: <000d01cb2027$bf879be0$3e96d3a0$@com> Message-ID: <4C387748.70005@pobox.com> Yes, the main reason is cost, but secondary reasons are weight and rod length. What is the current cost of a billet crank and Carillos - $3500? The total cost for rods and crank (welding, grinding and nitriding) for my engine was about $700. uncle jack worked out a cheap kit for the conversion, but I think he decided there was not sufficient interest. He had the price down under $500. Low oil pressure was initially a concern, but there is now plenty of evidence to discount this worry. There are two ways to center the rod - using spacers on the wrist pin or by modifying the crank. I chose to modify the crank by welding a bead on the edges of the crankpin. Both methods work. The spacer method is simpler. If you are considering a billet crank and Carillos, why not have the crank made for a different rod? Moldex told me there would be no additional cost. Larry Young > the though of narrower rods at the big end region worries me. > > I run an engine shop, and know from bitter experience, that excessive side > clearance at the big end, is a major source of engine rattles and loss of > oil pressure. most rods have a limit of about 0.005"-0.008" and in our race > engines, we run them down as low as we can get. > > there are plenty of custom made rods for TR engines, so why would one bother > with an concept that has an intrinsic design flaw? > > Terry O'Beirne From gaf3 at charter.net Sat Jul 10 08:29:12 2010 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:29:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4C3883B8.7030501@charter.net> Gary If you don't want to spend the $ on an infrared temp device, Lisle (and many others) makes a drop in thermometer that goes in the radiator neck. I have been using these for years without incident. At least you will be able to measure the true coolant temp and see when the thermostat opens. Of course start with a cold engine. You can't measure on the run but you can't with the infrared either.The infrared will only provide surface temps. If you have a fluke with or similar VOM with a receptacle for a thermocouple, you can insert the thermocouple under the upper radiator hose (or any other place you desire) into the coolant. Run the thermocouple wire into the passenger compartment and you can monitor your coolant temp at any speed or condition. We use to run hundred of these during vehicle development tests. I agree with the other posts that it's likely a voltage stabilizer or bad sending unit, but you never know definitively until you test. Good Luck Glenn Franco vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote: > Hello All: > > > Need some opinions on what I think might be a problem with my 1969 TR6 water temp gauge is an electrical unit. Scenario: recently, I've noticed the car running a bit hot, ie, the needle within an 1/8" of the red zone on the gauge. I recall at normal operating temp, the needle should be closer to half way (ambient daytime temps in the 80 - 90 degree range). Once the needle reaches this "hot" location, it never seems to come back down at all, regardless of whether I'm at speed or stopped. To me, this is not normal. > > > What I've done so far: flushed the cooling system, filled with about 35% anit-freeze, remainder with distilled water; added a few ounces of Water Wetter; new temp sensor, new thermostat (180 degree), timing checked and spot on. So far no difference in the way the gauge reacts, indicates the engine is still running hot so I'm wondering if I might have a gauge going bad. Anyone have an experience with a faulty water temp gauge? Does it gradually go bad and give false readings? Thanks. > > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jul 10 08:30:08 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:30:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam In-Reply-To: <4C387748.70005@pobox.com> References: <000d01cb2027$bf879be0$3e96d3a0$@com> <4C387748.70005@pobox.com> Message-ID: <8CCEE53883189EA-34D0-10AA6@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> We expect to continue to run the Chevy Rods. It just seems to work well. But combine this with the Larry Young cam and it is even better. The engine comes on strong earlier in the revs and we shift 5500-6000 RPM Seems like a brilliant combination with OEM crank. It is the best performance we have seen with this TR4 without dipping into my 401k. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:36 am Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods Yes, the main reason is cost, but secondary reasons are weight and rod ength. What is the current cost of a billet crank and Carillos - 3500? The total cost for rods and crank (welding, grinding and itriding) for my engine was about $700. uncle jack worked out a cheap it for the conversion, but I think he decided there was not sufficient nterest. He had the price down under $500. Low oil pressure was initially a concern, but there is now plenty of vidence to discount this worry. There are two ways to center the rod - using spacers on the wrist pin or y modifying the crank. I chose to modify the crank by welding a bead n the edges of the crankpin. Both methods work. The spacer method is impler. If you are considering a billet crank and Carillos, why not have the rank made for a different rod? Moldex told me there would be no dditional cost. arry Young the though of narrower rods at the big end region worries me. I run an engine shop, and know from bitter experience, that excessive side clearance at the big end, is a major source of engine rattles and loss of oil pressure. most rods have a limit of about 0.005"-0.008" and in our race engines, we run them down as low as we can get. there are plenty of custom made rods for TR engines, so why would one bother with an concept that has an intrinsic design flaw? Terry O'Beirne ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sat Jul 10 08:42:25 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:42:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam In-Reply-To: <8CCEE53883189EA-34D0-10AA6@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <000d01cb2027$bf879be0$3e96d3a0$@com> <4C387748.70005@pobox.com> <8CCEE53883189EA-34D0-10AA6@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <002201cb203e$1d7acf40$58706dc0$@rr.com> Same combination works for me. I am using Eagle SIR rods and custom Wiseco pistons. The rods are the stock length, next time I might try a shorter skirt longer rod combination. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 9:30 AM To: cartravel at pobox.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam We expect to continue to run the Chevy Rods. It just seems to work well. But combine this with the Larry Young cam and it is even better. The engine comes on strong earlier in the revs and we shift 5500-6000 RPM Seems like a brilliant combination with OEM crank. It is the best performance we have seen with this TR4 without dipping into my 401k. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:36 am Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods Yes, the main reason is cost, but secondary reasons are weight and rod ength. What is the current cost of a billet crank and Carillos - 3500? The total cost for rods and crank (welding, grinding and itriding) for my engine was about $700. uncle jack worked out a cheap it for the conversion, but I think he decided there was not sufficient nterest. He had the price down under $500. Low oil pressure was initially a concern, but there is now plenty of vidence to discount this worry. There are two ways to center the rod - using spacers on the wrist pin or y modifying the crank. I chose to modify the crank by welding a bead n the edges of the crankpin. Both methods work. The spacer method is impler. If you are considering a billet crank and Carillos, why not have the rank made for a different rod? Moldex told me there would be no dditional cost. arry Young the though of narrower rods at the big end region worries me. I run an engine shop, and know from bitter experience, that excessive side clearance at the big end, is a major source of engine rattles and loss of oil pressure. most rods have a limit of about 0.005"-0.008" and in our race engines, we run them down as low as we can get. there are plenty of custom made rods for TR engines, so why would one bother with an concept that has an intrinsic design flaw? Terry O'Beirne ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat Jul 10 09:40:49 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:40:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <4C3883B8.7030501@charter.net> References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <4C3883B8.7030501@charter.net> Message-ID: <0ECF7B2E-150D-4A75-B017-F4F33E0780E7@earthlink.net> I run a mechanical SW water temp gauge that works great. No electricity required. ~Steve From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jul 10 09:44:16 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:44:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><4C3883B8.7030501@charter.net> <0ECF7B2E-150D-4A75-B017-F4F33E0780E7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <27A91B27B498471A99B0CFF542502D0B@Bud> definetely go mechanical.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? >I run a mechanical SW water temp gauge that works great. No electricity >required. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sat Jul 10 11:48:10 2010 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:48:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam In-Reply-To: <002201cb203e$1d7acf40$58706dc0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <502856193.50494.1278784090069.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Wow...the vintage rules must be more liberal than ever if they are now allowing alternate length rods. SCCA hasB limited prep which require stock rods and cranks, stock suspension pickup points, etc...etc...but we still get cool glass flared fenders and slicks. Hasn't rule always been that the alternate rods must be of the same centre to centre dimensions? aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: n197tr4 at cs.com, cartravel at pobox.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 10:42:25 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods B and Larry Young Cam Same combination works for me. B I am using Eagle SIR rods and custom Wiseco pistons. B The rods are the stock length, next time I might try a shorter skirt longer rod combination. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 9:30 AM To: cartravel at pobox.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam We expect to continue to run the Chevy Rods. It just seems to work well. But combine this with the Larry Young cam and it is even better. The engine comes on strong earlier in the revs and we shift 5500-6000 RPM Seems like a brilliant combination with OEM crank. It is the best performance we have seen with this TR4 without dipping into my 401k. Joe A From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sat Jul 10 11:48:10 2010 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:48:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam In-Reply-To: <002201cb203e$1d7acf40$58706dc0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <502856193.50494.1278784090069.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Wow...the vintage rules must be more liberal than ever if they are now allowing alternate length rods. SCCA hasB limited prep which require stock rods and cranks, stock suspension pickup points, etc...etc...but we still get cool glass flared fenders and slicks. Hasn't rule always been that the alternate rods must be of the same centre to centre dimensions? aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: n197tr4 at cs.com, cartravel at pobox.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 10:42:25 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods B and Larry Young Cam Same combination works for me. B I am using Eagle SIR rods and custom Wiseco pistons. B The rods are the stock length, next time I might try a shorter skirt longer rod combination. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 9:30 AM To: cartravel at pobox.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam We expect to continue to run the Chevy Rods. It just seems to work well. But combine this with the Larry Young cam and it is even better. The engine comes on strong earlier in the revs and we shift 5500-6000 RPM Seems like a brilliant combination with OEM crank. It is the best performance we have seen with this TR4 without dipping into my 401k. Joe A From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Jul 10 13:46:37 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:46:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam References: <502856193.50494.1278784090069.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <5D0AD7C4E4424C20BDBE9D96AADEF03A@latitudefb1e41> You are correct, but this is one of the more common "variations" that people do. When you have Spridgets that spin 8 or 9 grand it is more than just more durable Carillos. One guy told me something about using Honda rods in a Sunbeam that were bullet proof, half the weight and added stroke, all in the name of durability. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam > Wow...the vintage rules must be more liberal than ever if they are now > allowing alternate length rods. > > > > SCCA hasB limited prep which require stock rods and cranks, stock > suspension > pickup points, etc...etc...but we still get cool glass flared fenders and > slicks. > > > > Hasn't rule always been that the alternate rods must be of the same centre > to > centre dimensions? > > > > aaron > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg & Alison Blake" > To: n197tr4 at cs.com, cartravel at pobox.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 10:42:25 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods B and Larry Young Cam > > Same combination works for me. B I am using Eagle SIR rods and custom > Wiseco > pistons. B The rods are the stock length, next time I might try a shorter > skirt longer rod combination. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com > Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 9:30 AM > To: cartravel at pobox.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam > > We expect to continue to run the Chevy Rods. It just seems to work well. > > But combine this with the Larry Young cam and it is even better. > > The engine comes on strong earlier in the revs and we shift 5500-6000 RPM > > Seems like a brilliant combination with OEM crank. > > It is the best performance we have seen with this TR4 without dipping into > my > 401k. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From mark at bradakis.com Sat Jul 10 14:01:31 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:01:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam In-Reply-To: <5D0AD7C4E4424C20BDBE9D96AADEF03A@latitudefb1e41> References: <502856193.50494.1278784090069.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <5D0AD7C4E4424C20BDBE9D96AADEF03A@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <4C38D19B.6070903@bradakis.com> > One guy told me something about using Honda rods in a Sunbeam that were > bullet proof, half the weight and added stroke, all in the name of durability. Added stroke in what sense? Alternate TR6 rods would also work for large journal Spit 1300 and 1500. mjb. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Jul 10 14:29:19 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 15:29:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam References: <502856193.50494.1278784090069.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><5D0AD7C4E4424C20BDBE9D96AADEF03A@latitudefb1e41> <4C38D19B.6070903@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <68D6B11928D04BF78C1ED69132EB1056@latitudefb1e41> Maybe I mispoke. They were longer requiring hockey puck pistons. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam > > One guy told me something about using Honda rods in a Sunbeam that were > > bullet proof, half the weight and added stroke, all in the name of > durability. > > Added stroke in what sense? > > Alternate TR6 rods would also work for large journal Spit 1300 and 1500. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From bownes at seiri.com Sat Jul 10 15:51:25 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:51:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam In-Reply-To: <4C38D19B.6070903@bradakis.com> References: <502856193.50494.1278784090069.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <5D0AD7C4E4424C20BDBE9D96AADEF03A@latitudefb1e41> <4C38D19B.6070903@bradakis.com> Message-ID: A bit of googling last night turned up some Dodge 6 cylinder (215/245 iirc)rods that are the right length (5.750") and BE size for the 6/1500 engines. No real other savings as they were about the same weight, but more searching might turn up an alternative to that in alloy. On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > > One guy told me something about using Honda rods in a Sunbeam that were > > bullet proof, half the weight and added stroke, all in the name of > durability. > > Added stroke in what sense? > > Alternate TR6 rods would also work for large journal Spit 1300 and 1500. > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jul 10 18:41:28 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:41:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: YouTube - Top Gear S15E01 Part 4 More Gre3at Brit stuff! Message-ID: <699842B288864643A9F20C79037E2C82@Bud> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8WA7WtzMT4&feature=related From malaboge at aol.com Sat Jul 10 19:50:49 2010 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 21:50:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam In-Reply-To: <502856193.50494.1278784090069.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CCEEB29F0AEB4D-2320-C30D@Webmail-d105.sysops.aol.com> wow... Finally I see a glimmer of reality...THIS IS VINTAGE RACING...like how it was back in the day. Not all cars were created equal, and the owners had to deal with myriad different strengths and weaknesses of their favorite mount. That is supposed to be what we are doing today...preserving that moment in tyme, not building a Formula One car with a vintage body! I've seen people posting pictures of their rebuilds wherein all sorts of things are evident that were never allowed "back in the day". If I had the proverbial nickel for everytime I've heard "thats how the did it back then" to substantiate some modern update that was never allowed, I'd be rich. Does anybody recall Anatoly being disqualified for .002 or .003 oversize valves in his Morgan, "back in the day". Now I see oversize valves in everything, 92 mm TR's, 2 liter B's, fat wheels and big carbs on everything. THATS NOT HOW IT WAS! You wanna race, go get a Miata or FF or whatever and GO RACING. This is supposed to be about the cars and how they were, not how can I update my car to be faster than the car ever was "back in the day". OK, I'm gonna go take a chill pill an get off the soapbox now... re-buildin olde race cars one at a tyme... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:48 am Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam Wow...the vintage rules must be more liberal than ever if they are now llowing alternate length rods. SCCA hasB limited prep which require stock rods and cranks, stock suspension ickup points, etc...etc...but we still get cool glass flared fenders and licks. Hasn't rule always been that the alternate rods must be of the same centre to entre dimensions? aaron From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 11 02:46:25 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 10:46:25 +0200 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam In-Reply-To: <8CCEEB29F0AEB4D-2320-C30D@Webmail-d105.sysops.aol.com> References: <502856193.50494.1278784090069.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <8CCEEB29F0AEB4D-2320-C30D@Webmail-d105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000301cb20d5$8cf8a760$a6e9f620$@com> What you are describing remembers me to people who are getting dressed in old uniforms and "playing" war like it was at the old days. You have them in USA and we have them in Europe. But the vintage racers are not playing racing they DO risk their lives in those cars. At the times Kas run the works team he had plenty of cranks, heads, rods, axles, bodys and stuff. If a crank got broke - don't bother, a call to England a they shipped some new engines overseas. Today a racer might have one or maybe two engines and if things go wrong in most cases this is end of the season. As we are not earning our money with vintage racing why not replacing dangerous or easy breaking pars of the car with billet cranks and rods, forged pistons, special valves, better designed axles as this keeps the cost low over the years and reducing the risk to get hurt. Okay, the cars are faster then they were back in time but this is how the world goes, better oil, better brake fluid, better brake pads, better tires, and more fun for the spectators and drivers if the car are faster, as most of the tracks are smoothed out to a better safety. I have no complaints about that as long it is kept in rules people due to. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von malaboge at aol.com Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Juli 2010 03:51 An: fpspitfire at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net; vintage-race at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam wow... Finally I see a glimmer of reality...THIS IS VINTAGE RACING...like how it was back in the day. Not all cars were created equal, and the owners had to deal with myriad different strengths and weaknesses of their favorite mount. That is supposed to be what we are doing today...preserving that moment in tyme, not building a Formula One car with a vintage body! I've seen people posting pictures of their rebuilds wherein all sorts of things are evident that were never allowed "back in the day". If I had the proverbial nickel for everytime I've heard "thats how the did it back then" to substantiate some modern update that was never allowed, I'd be rich. Does anybody recall Anatoly being disqualified for .002 or .003 oversize valves in his Morgan, "back in the day". Now I see oversize valves in everything, 92 mm TR's, 2 liter B's, fat wheels and big carbs on everything. THATS NOT HOW IT WAS! You wanna race, go get a Miata or FF or whatever and GO RACING. This is supposed to be about the cars and how they were, not how can I update my car to be faster than the car ever was "back in the day". OK, I'm gonna go take a chill pill an get off the soapbox now... re-buildin olde race cars one at a tyme... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:48 am Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam Wow...the vintage rules must be more liberal than ever if they are now llowing alternate length rods. SCCA hasB limited prep which require stock rods and cranks, stock suspension ickup points, etc...etc...but we still get cool glass flared fenders and licks. Hasn't rule always been that the alternate rods must be of the same centre to entre dimensions? aaron _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jul 11 11:57:31 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 13:57:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR at Heartland Park Message-ID: <8CCEF39AAE7B05B-34D0-1A8FA@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> FOT, I am pleased to announce that the President of VTR, Blake Discher, will be attending and supporting the Kastner Cup activities at the HEARTLAND VINTAGE GRAND PRIX. He will circle the VTR Regional wagons and this will result in additional Triumph owner attendance flowing through the gate. There may be a VTR Hospitality Tent in our midst in the Paddock. A poster is under discussion and likely will be available for Kas to sign....as well as the owner of the featured car on the poster. Blake and VTR were strong supporters when we were at the Glen, if you remember. I was very pleased to hear from him today. (If you are not already a VTR Member, this is something to consider) Just a reminder, Ramada Inn has killer rates for this event. Joe A From goodparts at verizon.net Mon Jul 12 05:29:26 2010 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 07:29:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] u-joint alignment? In-Reply-To: <034DEBD8-2B4B-4823-AED6-73959F0F15A0@comcast.net> References: <034DEBD8-2B4B-4823-AED6-73959F0F15A0@comcast.net> Message-ID: Scott, The yokes on each end should be aligned so that if you stuck a shaft through each yoke, they would be parallel. The alignment is critical so the velocity oscillations cancel out. The greater the operating angle, the greater the oscillations to be cancelled. Also, the axis of the driving and driven shafts must be parallel for full cancellation. In the case of our axle shafts, this only happens with zero toe and zero camber so most of the time we have some nasty efficiency loss from the axles trying to accelerate and decelerate the wheel twice each revolution. Given all that, I am not sure you would notice any difference with the half shaft yokes being off 5-10 degrees but it would certainly be better if they were aligned properly. If it was on the driveshaft I would guess you would notice some vibration. Richard Good Good Parts -------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott Janzen" Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:26 PM To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Subject: [Fot] u-joint alignment? > On drive shafts and half shafts, should the axis of the u-joints be > aligned to the one on the other end, perpendicular, or something in > between, or does it matter? On the half-shafts on my GT6, I don't > think I can get perfect alignment given how the spines are machined - > looks to be 5-10 degrees off. > _______________________________________________ From billb at bnj.com Mon Jul 12 13:35:55 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:35:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: <927947.55742.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <927947.55742.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <74B69422-E271-4203-91C0-EFC983EE8166@bnj.com> Most old designs have rod bearings that are too wide. Any plain bearing width and diameter is a compromise. Excessive width and excess diameter not only increase friction, they can actually wear faster > > the though of narrower rods at the big end region worries me. > > I run an engine shop, and know from bitter experience, that excessive side > clearance at the big end, is a major source of engine rattles and loss of > oil pressure. most rods have a limit of about 0.005"-0.008" and in our race > engines, we run them down as low as we can get. > > there are plenty of custom made rods for TR engines, so why would one bother > with an concept that has an intrinsic design flaw? > > Terry O'Beirne From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Jul 12 17:01:48 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:01:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters Message-ID: <000c01cb2216$381d2490$a8576db0$@rr.com> I am running a Mallory points dist. and need recommendations on a rev limiter. I am looking at the Petronix digital rev limiter, but I know nothing about the other options or pros and cons. Thanks in advance. Greg From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jul 12 17:54:14 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:54:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters In-Reply-To: <000c01cb2216$381d2490$a8576db0$@rr.com> References: <000c01cb2216$381d2490$a8576db0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <3FCDA481340242CE8BF3D06EDA6A4532@joepentiumnew> I like the MSD that has a soft Rev Limiter. If your sanctioning body allows the MSD ignition system, it might be your best bet. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 4:02 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters I am running a Mallory points dist. and need recommendations on a rev limiter. I am looking at the Petronix digital rev limiter, but I know nothing about the other options or pros and cons. Thanks in advance. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From robertten1 at aol.com Mon Jul 12 18:23:08 2010 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 20:23:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters In-Reply-To: <000c01cb2216$381d2490$a8576db0$@rr.com> References: <000c01cb2216$381d2490$a8576db0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CCF038B2F40B6B-C98-50F1@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> Greg, I currently use the MSD Soft-touch Rev Limiter with my Mallory, works fine. My $.02, Bob T. -----Original Message----- From: Greg & Alison Blake To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:01 pm Subject: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters I am running a Mallory points dist. and need recommendations on a rev limiter. I am looking at the Petronix digital rev limiter, but I know nothing about the other options or pros and cons. Thanks in advance. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 13 01:05:02 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 09:05:02 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters In-Reply-To: <000c01cb2216$381d2490$a8576db0$@rr.com> References: <000c01cb2216$381d2490$a8576db0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000301cb2259$bd412cf0$37c386d0$@com> I run an Omex rev limiter which can be switched to hard or soft cut. I use hard cut. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Greg & Alison Blake Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Juli 2010 01:02 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters I am running a Mallory points dist. and need recommendations on a rev limiter. I am looking at the Petronix digital rev limiter, but I know nothing about the other options or pros and cons. Thanks in advance. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 13 08:35:23 2010 From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (William Collins) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 09:35:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. Message-ID: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went with a solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to lower compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and I'm looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest of the year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends Hylomar. Suggestions? Bill Collins Euless, TX '72 spit /1296 sj From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jul 13 08:58:31 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:58:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 max oil capacity Message-ID: <1287600888.2866971279033111856.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> RMVR will be racing at Pikes Peak International this weekend up on the banked oval and eventually the infield. I have an accusump and an oil pan baffle and B I was wondering if there is any merit in slightly overfilling the crankcase to avoid oil starvation through nascar T-1 & T-2. Thanks, Jim G. From chasgee at aol.com Tue Jul 13 09:05:19 2010 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 11:05:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters In-Reply-To: <8CCF038B2F40B6B-C98-50F1@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> References: <000c01cb2216$381d2490$a8576db0$@rr.com> <8CCF038B2F40B6B-C98-50F1@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CCF0B3F1A325D6-1354-E2AF@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> I use the one between my ears. Sometimes it doesn't work... -----Original Message----- From: robertten1 at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:23 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters Greg, I currently use the MSD Soft-touch Rev Limiter with my Mallory, works fine. My $.02, ob T. ----Original Message----- rom: Greg & Alison Blake o: fot at autox.team.net ent: Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:01 pm ubject: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters am running a Mallory points dist. and need recommendations on a rev limiter. I am looking at the Petronix digital rev limiter, but I know nothing about the other options or pros and cons. Thanks in advance. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Jul 13 09:08:25 2010 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 10:08:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> References: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FC6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I've had trouble getting my copper head gaskets to seal on my Spitfire motors unless the head and block surfaces are very, very smooth (and clean). Once the surfaces were smooth, I had reasonable luck getting them to seal using spray-on Copper Coat, spraying it on both sides, hanging it to dry until it was tacky. Ultimately, I have gone back to the composite gaskets - the Payen gasket with the rubbery surfaces. They work every time. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Collins Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 9:35 AM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went with a solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to lower compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and I'm looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest of the year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends Hylomar. Suggestions? Bill Collins Euless, TX '72 spit /1296 sj _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Tue Jul 13 09:12:42 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 10:12:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> References: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> Message-ID: Been there done that on my tr6. All my head gasket issues went away when I started using Payen gaskets. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2010, at 9:35 AM, "William Collins" wrote: > I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went with a > solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to lower > compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and I'm > looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest of the > year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends Hylomar. > Suggestions? > Bill Collins > Euless, TX > '72 spit /1296 sj > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jul 13 09:42:47 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:42:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FC6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FC6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: I echo what Scott says. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:08 AM To: William Collins; 'Friends of Triumph'Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. I've had trouble getting my copper head gaskets to seal on my Spitfire motors unless the head and block surfaces are very, very smooth (and clean). Once the surfaces were smooth, I had reasonable luck getting them to seal using spray-on Copper Coat, spraying it on both sides, hanging it to dry until it was tacky. Ultimately, I have gone back to the composite gaskets - the Payen gasket with the rubbery surfaces. They work every time. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Collins Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 9:35 AM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went with a solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to lower compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and I'm looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest of the year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends Hylomar. Suggestions? Bill Collins Euless, TX '72 spit /1296 sj _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tedtsimx at bright.net Tue Jul 13 09:43:24 2010 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 11:43:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: References: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> Message-ID: <4C3C899C.6070808@bright.net> That's why we use Payen on all our engine builds. Ted Mike Munson wrote: > Been there done that on my tr6. > All my head gasket issues went away when I started using Payen gaskets. > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 13, 2010, at 9:35 AM, "William Collins" wrote: > > >> I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went with >> > a > >> solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to lower >> compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and I'm >> looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest of >> > the > >> year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends >> > Hylomar. > >> Suggestions? >> Bill Collins >> Euless, TX >> '72 spit /1296 sj >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tedtsimx at bright.net > > > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From billb at bnj.com Tue Jul 13 09:52:56 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:52:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 max oil capacity In-Reply-To: <1287600888.2866971279033111856.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1287600888.2866971279033111856.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Highly unlikely as long as you accusump is working. If it has an electric actuation valve it might refill slowly after the oil pump loses and then regains suction, but more oil slung up against the side of the pan isn't going to help that. On Jul 13, 2010, at 7:58 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > RMVR will be racing at Pikes Peak International this weekend up on the banked > oval > > and eventually the infield. > > I have an accusump and an oil pan baffle and B I was wondering if there is any > > merit in slightly overfilling the crankcase to avoid oil starvation through > nascar T-1 & T-2. > > Thanks, > > Jim G. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From billb at bnj.com Tue Jul 13 09:57:31 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:57:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FC6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FC6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8FE69E45-8A25-4E6D-B94A-F4933B5E5C63@bnj.com> Yamabond #4. Most folks recommend the Copper Coat, but I believe Yamabond works better for keeping oil and water in their places. Also, you need to be sure the cylinders stand properly proud and both the head and block are flat. Gaskets can't compensate for that and still seal in combustion gases. Remember that the copper gasket is not really compressible. The surface is soft so little irregularities and defects can push up into the copper, but if the prep isn't right they won't work much better than the shim steel gaskets. On Jul 13, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Barr, Scott wrote: > I've had trouble getting my copper head gaskets to seal on my Spitfire > motors unless the head and block surfaces are very, very smooth (and > clean). Once the surfaces were smooth, I had reasonable luck getting > them to seal using spray-on Copper Coat, spraying it on both sides, > hanging it to dry until it was tacky. > > Ultimately, I have gone back to the composite gaskets - the Payen gasket > with the rubbery surfaces. They work every time. > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of William Collins > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 9:35 AM > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. > > I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went > with a > solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to > lower > compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and > I'm > looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest > of the > year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends > Hylomar. > Suggestions? > Bill Collins > Euless, TX > '72 spit /1296 sj > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Jul 13 11:53:11 2010 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 13:53:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: <4C3C899C.6070808@bright.net> References: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> <4C3C899C.6070808@bright.net> Message-ID: <8CCF0CB6514803F-1324-137D@webmail-m074.sysops.aol.com> OK yeah another vote for Payen. The only way I have ever been able to get a reliable seal on the 1300 with copper gasket is with o-rings. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Ted Schumacher To: Mike Munson Cc: William Collins ; 'Friends of Triumph'Triumph Sent: Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:43 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. That's why we use Payen on all our engine builds. Ted Mike Munson wrote: > Been there done that on my tr6. > All my head gasket issues went away when I started using Payen gaskets. > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 13, 2010, at 9:35 AM, "William Collins" wrote: > > >> I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went with >> > a > >> solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to lower >> compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and I'm >> looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest of >> > the > >> year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends >> > Hylomar. > >> Suggestions? >> Bill Collins >> Euless, TX >> '72 spit /1296 sj >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tedtsimx at bright.net > > > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From s.janzen at comcast.net Tue Jul 13 13:01:15 2010 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:01:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Beaverun - Pittsburgh this weekend Message-ID: <05AAD258-4958-43A8-9EAF-55B8C3054172@comcast.net> I'll be there with the GT6. Will there be any other Triumphs racing? Scott Janzen 1968 GT6 From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 13 14:26:39 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:26:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Message-ID: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A From rikrock at live.com Tue Jul 13 14:59:08 2010 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:59:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Beaverun - Pittsburgh this weekend In-Reply-To: <05AAD258-4958-43A8-9EAF-55B8C3054172@comcast.net> References: <05AAD258-4958-43A8-9EAF-55B8C3054172@comcast.net> Message-ID: Dave Miller will be there with his TR4. Rich Rock _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jul 13 15:21:00 2010 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:21:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mosport, because it is close to me and a well liked track. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: July 13, 2010 4:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Jul 13 15:24:18 2010 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:24:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FC7E@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Road America Autobahn Gingerman Mid-Ohio -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From andre at gt6.ca Tue Jul 13 15:45:45 2010 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:45:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 2nd that vote ;) A. On 13 July 2010 17:21, macdonaldp wrote: > Mosport, because it is close to me and a well liked track. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com > Sent: July 13, 2010 4:27 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION > MAKING > > FOT > > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > CUP. > > Register your preference immediately. > > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jul 13 16:14:32 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:14:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com><703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <364104017F3A4F5A96D2CE0E6A60F2F9@Bud> Laguna Seca..or.Infineon RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "macdonaldp" Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > 2nd that vote ;) > > A. > > On 13 July 2010 17:21, macdonaldp wrote: >> Mosport, because it is close to me and a well liked track. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com >> Sent: July 13, 2010 4:27 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR >> DECISION >> MAKING >> >> FOT >> >> We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER >> CUP. >> >> Register your preference immediately. >> >> No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. >> >> Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. >> >> Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. >> >> We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? >> >> Joe A >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca >> >> >> > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From adams910 at gmail.com Tue Jul 13 16:15:52 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 18:15:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Something on the east coast in the Mid Atlantic area (VIR, Summit, NJMP). There are a lot of Triumph racers in the Northeast, Mid Atlantic, and South East. Don't make it too early in the year too. From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Jul 13 16:31:42 2010 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 18:31:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601cb22db$2ba02990$82e07cb0$@rr.com> Mosport is my favorite event with VARAC at my favorite track even though I live 30 minutes from Watkins Glen. Tons of seat time with way more than 5 lap feature events. Free camping; no motorhome parking fees, track is open well in advance of event for those arriving early and no problem staying on site until Monday to leave. Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:46 PM To: macdonaldp Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING 2nd that vote ;) A. On 13 July 2010 17:21, macdonaldp wrote: > Mosport, because it is close to me and a well liked track. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com > Sent: July 13, 2010 4:27 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION > MAKING > > FOT > > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > CUP. > > Register your preference immediately. > > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Jul 13 16:37:25 2010 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 18:37:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4C3CEAA5.6030001@cfl.rr.com> Roebling Road, Savannah, GA Road Atlanta GA Sebring FL Bob Davis On 7/13/2010 4:26 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT > > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > CUP. > > Register your preference immediately. > > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue Jul 13 18:06:12 2010 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:06:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <4C3CEAA5.6030001@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: Mid-America Motorplex, south of Omaha. It's middle of the country, giving you the same advantages geographically that Hallett provided and you'll get at HPT this year. Okay, so maybe the event should move around a bit, go east in 2011, west in 2012, but come back to the middle and try MAM. It's tabletop flat, which means you can see THE WHOLE TRACK from the stands at the south end. It's not too fast, which seems to favor LBCs. I run out of 4th gear right at the end of whichever of the two long straights has the tailwind. 14 turns in 2.23 miles and no turn stands alone -- every turn is in combination with at least one other. What's chance for a June date? I won't drive at HPT this year because it's too close to the Solo Nationals (I do both, race and solo) and I'm not taking the chance of breaking anything that close to my major event of the year. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > Roebling Road, Savannah, GA > Road Atlanta GA > Sebring FL > > Bob Davis > > On 7/13/2010 4:26 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >> FOT >> >> We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER >> CUP. >> >> Register your preference immediately. >> >> No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. >> >> Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. >> >> Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. >> >> We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? >> >> Joe A >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From fpspitfire at comcast.net Tue Jul 13 18:45:23 2010 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <590600008.40697.1279068323065.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ----- Original Message ----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 4:26:39 PM Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 13 19:10:29 2010 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 18:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <364104017F3A4F5A96D2CE0E6A60F2F9@Bud> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com><703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <364104017F3A4F5A96D2CE0E6A60F2F9@Bud> Message-ID: <835908.72007.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> and I'll second that! If my truck makes it to California I might just stay there. DD Laguna Seca..or.Infineon RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "macdonaldp" Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > 2nd that vote ;) > > A. > > On 13 July 2010 17:21, macdonaldp wrote: >> Mosport, because it is close to me and a well liked track. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com >> Sent: July 13, 2010 4:27 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR >> DECISION >> MAKING >> >> FOT >> >> We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER >> CUP. >> >> Register your preference immediately. >> >> No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. >> >> Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. >> >> Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. >> >> We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? >> >> Joe A >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca >> >> >> > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Jul 13 19:32:13 2010 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 01:32:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <192867235.44023.1279071133287.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I'll second Laguna or Infineon Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:26:39 PM Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From wredinger at oppd.com Tue Jul 13 19:52:50 2010 From: wredinger at oppd.com (REDINGER, WILLIAM E) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:52:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Pittsburg Vintage Grand Prix. Though it might be hard to get a special group accepted! Bill ________________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com [n197tr4 at cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:26 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wredinger at oppd.com This e-mail contains Omaha Public Power District's confidential and proprietary information and is for use only by the intended recipient. Unless explicitly stated otherwise, this e-mail is not a contract offer, amendment, nor acceptance. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue Jul 13 20:13:48 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 02:13:48 GMT Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Message-ID: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ____________________________________________________________ $13/Month Car Insurance? Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue Jul 13 20:24:30 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 02:24:30 GMT Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Message-ID: <20100713.222430.26485.2@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Summit Point is a great track and I hear it was repaved. Another great mid-atlantic track, or should I say tracks, is New Jersey Motorsports Park. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:26:39 -0400 FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d2021c00e5290121st04duc From billb at bnj.com Tue Jul 13 20:45:47 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:45:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <000601cb22db$2ba02990$82e07cb0$@rr.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <000601cb22db$2ba02990$82e07cb0$@rr.com> Message-ID: I liked Mosport too, though it's a hell of a tow for left coasters. And you need to grow a third testicle before you set a tire on the track. Infineon is one of my favorite west coast tracks. On Jul 13, 2010, at 3:31 PM, Spitfire Racing wrote: > Mosport is my favorite event with VARAC at my favorite track even though I > live 30 minutes from Watkins Glen. Tons of seat time with way more than 5 > lap feature events. Free camping; no motorhome parking fees, track is open > well in advance of event for those arriving early and no problem staying on > site until Monday to leave. > Russ Moore > > ----- From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 13 21:22:46 2010 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:22:46 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness Message-ID: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I have a customers rear end at a rear end shop and they are having a tough time setting up the pinion bearing depth. The owner took it all apart and had it powder coated and tossed out the shims so no starting point for the rear end shop. Any one have any good starting point. Thanks Joe Chequered Flag Racing .net Joseph P. Siam 9833 Deering Ave unit I Chatsworth Ca 91311 818 350 6222 From kaskas at cox.net Tue Jul 13 21:24:09 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:24:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. ---- Joe Boruch wrote: ============= I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ____________________________________________________________ $13/Month Car Insurance? Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Jul 13 21:46:17 2010 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: <8CCF0CB6514803F-1324-137D@webmail-m074.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <552262.49370.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Listers: Actually the first gasket I tried on the engine was a Payen. That is the only thing I buy. The engine has been bored .060" over, and the Payen blew between the adjoining cylinders. We are just looking for some way to get through the season until we can pull the engine and have the block cut for rings. Bill Collins was told that the Yamabond won't work with copper gaskets. On the first try with the copper gasket I glued rings to it and sprayed it with copper and left it until tacky. I know Kawasaki has a similar product to Yamabond that I use to use on the FV engines to seal the crankcase halves. Not sure it will work in this application. We may just go back to the Payen and keep our fingers crossed. -Ed- --- On Tue, 7/13/10, fubog1 at aol.com wrote: From: fubog1 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. To: tedtsimx at bright.net, fasttrs at yahoo.com Cc: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net, fot at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 12:53 PM OK yeah another vote for Payen. The only way I have ever been able to get a reliable seal on the 1300 with copper gasket is with o-rings. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Ted Schumacher To: Mike Munson Cc: William Collins ; 'Friends of Triumph'Triumph Sent: Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:43 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. That's why we use Payen on all our engine builds. Ted Mike Munson wrote: > Been there done that on my tr6. > All my head gasket issues went away when I started using Payen gaskets. > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 13, 2010, at 9:35 AM, "William Collins" wrote: > > >> I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went with >> > a > >> solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to lower >> compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and I'm >> looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest of >> > the > >> year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends >> > Hylomar. > >> Suggestions? >> Bill Collins >> Euless, TX >> '72 spit /1296 sj >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tedtsimx at bright.net > > > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Jul 13 21:56:46 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:56:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com> Joe, I probably don't get a vote since I have not made a cup event yet and I have only been racing since Feb '09. If I did have a vote, it would be for Texas World Speedway. I know of at least 7 other FOT racers that will cast the same vote... Greg in Ausitn -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From billb at bnj.com Tue Jul 13 22:04:43 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:04:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness In-Reply-To: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Try starting with a customer that doesn't have his head up his butt. Really though, there was an exhaustive thread on setting up rear ends in the dim past. I'd search the digest. On Jul 13, 2010, at 8:22 PM, Joseph Siam wrote: > I have a customers rear end at a rear end shop and they are having a tough time setting up the pinion bearing depth. The owner took it all apart and had it powder coated and tossed out the shims so no starting point for the rear end shop. Any one have any good starting point. Thanks Joe > > Chequered Flag Racing .net > Joseph P. Siam > 9833 Deering Ave unit I > Chatsworth Ca 91311 > 818 350 6222 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jul 13 22:26:01 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:26:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> Message-ID: <6FBE567C022D4848BEC8585F32FCDF1D@joepentiumnew> In that Vein, I'll vote for Phoenix. That way I can come and see people I haven't seen in years and meet some I have never seen. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:24 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The cup event It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. ---- Joe Boruch wrote: ============= I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ____________________________________________________________ $13/Month Car Insurance? Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From mdporter at dfn.com Tue Jul 13 22:36:40 2010 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:36:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: <552262.49370.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <552262.49370.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C3D3ED8.1070406@dfn.com> EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Listers: Actually the first gasket I tried on the engine was a Payen. That is > the only thing I buy. The engine has been bored .060" over, and the Payen blew > between the adjoining cylinders. We are just looking for some way to get > through the season until we can pull the engine and have the block cut for > rings. Bill Collins was told that the Yamabond won't work with copper gaskets. > On the first try with the copper gasket I glued rings to it and sprayed it > with copper and left it until tacky. I know Kawasaki has a similar product to > Yamabond that I use to use on the FV engines to seal the crankcase halves. Not > sure it will work in this application. > We may just go back to the Payen and keep our fingers crossed. > Ed, if you're really out of possibilities, one of the things that seemed to work on stock engines with chronic head gasket problems was a silicate-based sealer (I can't remember a trade name, but, the stuff is probably identical, except for concentration, to the liquid head sealants on the market today). It was a clear, thick liquid which tended to develop silica crystals in the bottom of the bottle, and as I recall, came in a small (3-4 oz.) bottle with an off-white label. The only time I ended up using the stuff was at a shop I worked at in the `70s. They demanded it be used on all water-cooled engine rebuilds--claimed it reduced the comeback rate. Some of the old-timers in your area may remember the stuff and might still have some around. Tried sending this directly, but, AT&T routing is still blocking some addresses. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jul 13 23:22:49 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:22:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: <552262.49370.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8CCF0CB6514803F-1324-137D@webmail-m074.sysops.aol.com> <552262.49370.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <99C4F0D4549F4334B87BE32323142FE1@joepentiumnew> (I am resending this message after trimming it since I was notified by the server that it was too long) One thing I learned a lot of years ago with Spitfire engines was that when installing any composite head gasket, I should get everything torqued and adjusted cold then run the engine up to operating temperature, and quickly retorque the head while it is still hot. I found that following that technique, I have never had a blown head gasket and I find that it requires more than a little extra turning to bring the torque back to the correct setting. Just my observation, Joe C, From dave at microworks.net Tue Jul 13 23:39:11 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:39:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> Message-ID: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223AC@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local> Or Joe how about the new track right in your own backward at Inde? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:20 PM To: 'Kas Kastner'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The cup event In that Vein, I'll vote for Phoenix. That way I can come and see people I haven't seen in years and meet some I have never seen. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:24 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The cup event It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. ---- Joe Boruch wrote: ============= I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ____________________________________________________________ $13/Month Car Insurance? Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dave at microworks.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 14 00:04:23 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:04:23 +0200 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000101cb231a$69358c70$3ba0a550$@com> What about Spa 6h race? ;-) Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von n197tr4 at cs.com Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Juli 2010 22:27 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 14 00:23:03 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:23:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223AC@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223AC@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local> Message-ID: <82F701985680401C9DD6D2DC4001DC2E@joepentiumnew> I guess I have been out of the loop too long. Where is that? Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Riddle Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:39 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The cup event Or Joe how about the new track right in your own backward at Inde? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:20 PM To: 'Kas Kastner'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The cup event In that Vein, I'll vote for Phoenix. That way I can come and see people I haven't seen in years and meet some I have never seen. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:24 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The cup event It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. ---- Joe Boruch wrote: ============= I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ____________________________________________________________ $13/Month Car Insurance? Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dave at microworks.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Jul 14 04:11:24 2010 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 06:11:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness In-Reply-To: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4C3D8D4C.9060908@cfl.rr.com> I think it may be stamped on the pinion gear. Bob On 7/13/2010 11:22 PM, Joseph Siam wrote: > I have a customers rear end at a rear end shop and they are having a tough time setting up the pinion bearing depth. The owner took it all apart and had it powder coated and tossed out the shims so no starting point for the rear end shop. Any one have any good starting point. Thanks Joe > > Chequered Flag Racing .net > Joseph P. Siam > 9833 Deering Ave unit I > Chatsworth Ca 91311 > 818 350 6222 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 07:31:40 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:31:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1E23AE71-06C6-4D1D-8132-C856B9D765E4@yahoo.com> Barber Motorsport Park in Birmingham,Alabama. A world class facility. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2010, at 3:26 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT > > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > CUP. > > Register your preference immediately. > > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 07:36:50 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:36:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <590600008.40697.1279068323065.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <590600008.40697.1279068323065.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Same here!, not all Triumph racers are vintage!! Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2010, at 7:45 PM, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote: > I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) > > > > aaron > > #87 HP Spitfire 1500 > > Southern Illinois Region SCCA > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 4:26:39 PM > Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > > FOT > > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > CUP. > > Register your preference immediately. > > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 07:40:58 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:40:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223AC@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223AC@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local> Message-ID: <330FFC6A-F132-4BA7-9162-83AF45BBE865@yahoo.com> What track is that? Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jul 14, 2010, at 12:39 AM, "Dave Riddle" wrote: > Or Joe how about the new track right in your own backward at Inde? > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Joe Curry > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:20 PM > To: 'Kas Kastner'; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] The cup event > > In that Vein, I'll vote for Phoenix. That way I can come and see people > I > haven't seen in years and meet some I have never seen. > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Kas Kastner > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:24 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] The cup event > > It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and > Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next > year > should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. > then > in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or > track > take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time > and > is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on > this. > > As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an > average of > about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see > something a little closer again. > > ---- Joe Boruch wrote: > > ============= > I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: fpspitfire at comcast.net > To: n197tr4 at cs.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR > DECISION > MAKING > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) > > I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the > weekend :) > > > > aaron > > #87 HP Spitfire 1500 > > Southern Illinois Region SCCA > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > $13/Month Car Insurance? > Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > > > > -- > Never be beaten by equipment > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dave at microworks.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Jul 14 07:43:31 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:43:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness References: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4C3D8D4C.9060908@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: Len Renkenberger from the 6-Pack wrote an article many years ago about building TR6 diffs without special tools. He uses ground rod stock and washers to build a measurement tool and came up with the number .730 to .731 pionion depth from the bottom of the bearing saddles. He opines that the machining for the bearing saddles is inconsistent, even a little side to side variation. I've used his method a few times and it works. The pinion hears do have a +number etched on them but the used ones I've seen are sometime illegible. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:11 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness >I think it may be stamped on the pinion gear. > > Bob > > On 7/13/2010 11:22 PM, Joseph Siam wrote: >> I have a customers rear end at a rear end shop and they are having a >> tough time setting up the pinion bearing depth. The owner took it all >> apart and had it powder coated and tossed out the shims so no starting >> point for the rear end shop. Any one have any good starting point. >> Thanks Joe >> >> Chequered Flag Racing .net >> Joseph P. Siam >> 9833 Deering Ave unit I >> Chatsworth Ca 91311 >> 818 350 6222 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 07:55:58 2010 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:55:58 +0000 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> Message-ID: I am new to the group, and to Triumph racing. I want to thank you all for your advice and insight. In terms of venue, and looking out West, if I had a chance to race at Sears Point, it would be a dream come true. Ty Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:24:09 To: Subject: [Fot] The cup event It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. ---- Joe Boruch wrote: ============= I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ____________________________________________________________ $13/Month Car Insurance? Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 07:58:04 2010 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:58:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <601787337-1279115756-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-2008132747-@bda2106.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41><601787337-1279115756-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-2008132747-@bda2106.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: BTW, I meant to say Laguna or Infineon! Ty Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:55:58 To: Kas Kastner; ; Reply-To: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Fot] The cup event I am new to the group, and to Triumph racing. I want to thank you all for your advice and insight. In terms of venue, and looking out West, if I had a chance to race at Sears Point, it would be a dream come true. Ty Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:24:09 To: Subject: [Fot] The cup event It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. ---- Joe Boruch wrote: ============= I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ____________________________________________________________ $13/Month Car Insurance? Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Jul 14 07:58:34 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:58:34 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Message-ID: <530b0.606cca22.396f1c8a@cs.com> FOT list Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in this madness. Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. Infineon & Mosport But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning body have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are other obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted area for the next Kastner Cup. Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the 2012 Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in Competition. As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be addressed because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that one off. You dont think so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an answer. They want to make it a big and memorable event. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE Joe A From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Jul 14 08:40:50 2010 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 07:40:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SPAM-LOW: VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <910FA35028174C2F8561474B270E4B33@Charly> I vote for West Coast. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:26 PM Subject: SPAM-LOW: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > FOT > > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > CUP. > > Register your preference immediately. > > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From billb at bnj.com Wed Jul 14 09:30:10 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:30:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <20100714144131.584C1187656@autox.team.net> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41><601787337-1279115756-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-2008132747-@bda2106.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <20100714144131.584C1187656@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <2BD003B5-FDF5-4C50-BC83-5DAB5E896B27@bnj.com> I almost always call it Sears Point, and Laguna is really Mazda raceway, but who wants to say that. I enjoy Laguna Seca but Sears is a more interesting track. On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote: > BTW, I meant to say Laguna or Infineon! > > Ty > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:55:58 > To: Kas Kastner; ; > Reply-To: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] The cup event > > I am new to the group, and to Triumph racing. I want to thank you all for your advice and insight. > > In terms of venue, and looking out West, if I had a chance to race at Sears Point, it would be a dream come true. > > Ty > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kas Kastner > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:24:09 > To: > Subject: [Fot] The cup event > > It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. > > As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. > > ---- Joe Boruch wrote: > > ============= > I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: fpspitfire at comcast.net > To: n197tr4 at cs.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION > MAKING > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) > > I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the > weekend :) > > > > aaron > > #87 HP Spitfire 1500 > > Southern Illinois Region SCCA > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > $13/Month Car Insurance? > Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > > > > -- > Never be beaten by equipment > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From billb at bnj.com Wed Jul 14 09:33:56 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:33:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 In-Reply-To: <530b0.606cca22.396f1c8a@cs.com> References: <530b0.606cca22.396f1c8a@cs.com> Message-ID: <59627548-5197-4829-A942-4A2CC203D0BF@bnj.com> There are several events at Sears Point--the CSRG charity Challenge would be the most likely one. Another great choice in the Southwest is Thunderhill. Great track, though the location sucks. It's not the middle of nowhere but you can see it from there. Still, the track is marvelous and there's plenty of room to spread out. On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT list > > Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in this > madness. > > Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. > > Infineon & Mosport > > But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning body > have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. > > Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are other > obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. > > Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted area > for the next Kastner Cup. > > Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the 2012 > Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in Competition. > > As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be addressed > because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that one off. You dont think > so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an answer. > They want to make it a big and memorable event. > > THANK YOU VERY MUCH. > > Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on > this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE > > Joe A > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From dave at microworks.net Wed Jul 14 09:41:44 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:41:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <965ECE38E4C5431A9D5EB7042EAB7DCA@EnigmaGroup.local> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223AC@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local> <965ECE38E4C5431A9D5EB7042EAB7DCA@EnigmaGroup.local> Message-ID: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223B0@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local> It's located in Wilcox and is a 2.75 mile track with 21 turns with 85 feet of elevation change http://www.indemotorsports.com/site/ Here is an onboard video from a practice session from on of our club's 250cc shifter karts down at our event over Memorial Day http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNPO44zyyEc This might interest you Joe. "Join us July 21 through July 25th for the second Vintage Racing Week at Inde. Vintage Racing Week is an open track week for vintage racers and enthusiasts of all track experience levels. During this week, you have the opportunity to dial in and test and tune your vintage car on our new and challenging road course that rivals any in the country at an exceptional value. This event will have limited availability to ensure ample track time for each driver so please RSVP soon! Inde Motorsports Ranch will provide lunch every day, corner workers, and emergency medical personnel. Private Instruction can be arranged as well- please inquire for further details" From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 14 10:00:24 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:00:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> Everyone's offering in the FOT is important...not just the hardcore racer's. Thanks! Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Greg & Alison Blake To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:56 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Joe, I probably don't get a vote since I have not made a cup event yet and I have nly been racing since Feb '09. If I did have a vote, it would be for Texas orld Speedway. I know of at least 7 other FOT racers that will cast the same vote... Greg in Ausitn -----Original Message----- rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On ehalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com ent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:27 PM o: fot at autox.team.net ubject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION AKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER UP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 10:15:50 2010 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 16:15:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <2BD003B5-FDF5-4C50-BC83-5DAB5E896B27@bnj.com> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41><601787337-1279115756-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-2008132747-@bda2106.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <20100714144131.584C1187656@autox.team.net><2BD003B5-FDF5-4C50-BC83-5DAB5E896B27@bnj.com> Message-ID: I hate the Sponsor names but they do help to keep the tracks open! Just not as nastalgic. Ty Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:30:10 To: Cc: Kas Kastner; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] The cup event I almost always call it Sears Point, and Laguna is really Mazda raceway, but who wants to say that. I enjoy Laguna Seca but Sears is a more interesting track. On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote: > BTW, I meant to say Laguna or Infineon! > > Ty > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:55:58 > To: Kas Kastner; ; > Reply-To: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] The cup event > > I am new to the group, and to Triumph racing. I want to thank you all for your advice and insight. > > In terms of venue, and looking out West, if I had a chance to race at Sears Point, it would be a dream come true. > > Ty > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kas Kastner > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:24:09 > To: > Subject: [Fot] The cup event > > It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. > > As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. > > ---- Joe Boruch wrote: > > ============= > I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: fpspitfire at comcast.net > To: n197tr4 at cs.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION > MAKING > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) > > I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the > weekend :) > > > > aaron > > #87 HP Spitfire 1500 > > Southern Illinois Region SCCA > > > >____________________________________________________________ > $13/Month Car Insurance? > Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc >_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > > > > -- > Never be beaten by equipment >_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Jul 14 10:41:54 2010 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness In-Reply-To: References: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4C3D8D4C.9060908@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: > Len Renkenberger from the 6-Pack wrote an article many years ago about > building TR6 diffs without special tools. He uses ground rod stock and > washers to build a measurement tool and came up with the number .730 to .731 > pionion depth from the bottom of the bearing saddles. He opines that the > machining for the bearing saddles is inconsistent, even a little side to side > variation. I've used his method a few times and it works. > > The pinion hears do have a +number etched on them but the used ones I've seen > are sometime illegible. > > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX > > Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch > excellence. > Vince Lombardi > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:11 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness > > >> I think it may be stamped on the pinion gear. >> >> Bob >> >> On 7/13/2010 11:22 PM, Joseph Siam wrote: >>> I have a customers rear end at a rear end shop and they are having a tough >>> time setting up the pinion bearing depth. The owner took it all apart and >>> had it powder coated and tossed out the shims so no starting point for the >>> rear end shop. Any one have any good starting point. Thanks Joe >>> >>> Chequered Flag Racing .net >>> Joseph P. Siam >>> 9833 Deering Ave unit I >>> Chatsworth Ca 91311 >>> 818 350 6222 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lang at isis.mit.edu From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Jul 14 10:45:05 2010 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness In-Reply-To: References: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4C3D8D4C.9060908@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Jul 2010, Bob Kramer wrote: > The pinion hears do have a +number etched on them but the used ones I've seen > are sometime illegible. I'm not 100% certain of this, but I'm fairly certain that the numbers on the ring and pinions are "arbitrary" numbers that are used to denote matched gear sets. Of course after 40 years and who knows how many times some of the parts have changed hands, there's a fairly good likelyhood that gear sets that are exchanged as "loose parts" are not matched sets any more. :-) > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dave at microworks.net Wed Jul 14 11:46:20 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:46:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <6EFE6714ABD94B948127D161A2AF7419@EnigmaGroup.local> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41><3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223AC@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local><965ECE38E4C5431A9D5EB7042EAB7DCA@EnigmaGroup.local> <6EFE6714ABD94B948127D161A2AF7419@EnigmaGroup.local> Message-ID: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223B4@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local> There is also the brand new and super smooth Chuckwalla track in southern California http://www.chuckwallavalleyraceway.com/ Here is a video clip of that track http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIMtiB- the very first lap on this track when asphalt was completed on 3-15-2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUB05F7-17o From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 14 12:33:22 2010 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:33:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Summit Point Jefferson 500, for selfish reasons. > Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > > FOT > > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > CUP. > > Register your preference immediately. > > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > > Joe A From igofaster at att.net Wed Jul 14 12:37:00 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:37:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: References: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FC6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <603588.70487.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> PEYEN were the original head gaskets... seem to be the best still.... I haven't heard much positive about the copper gaskets Bill.... are you bringing your Spitwad to the Heartland FOT in August? Bobby Whitehead trying to get my GT6 engine assembled by August..... ________________________________ From: Joe Curry To: "Barr, Scott" ; William Collins ; 'Friends of Triumph'Triumph Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 10:42:47 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. I echo what Scott says. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:08 AM To: William Collins; 'Friends of Triumph'Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. I've had trouble getting my copper head gaskets to seal on my Spitfire motors unless the head and block surfaces are very, very smooth (and clean). Once the surfaces were smooth, I had reasonable luck getting them to seal using spray-on Copper Coat, spraying it on both sides, hanging it to dry until it was tacky. Ultimately, I have gone back to the composite gaskets - the Payen gasket with the rubbery surfaces. They work every time. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Collins Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 9:35 AM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went with a solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to lower compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and I'm looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest of the year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends Hylomar. Suggestions? Bill Collins Euless, TX '72 spit /1296 sj _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From Group44TR7 at aol.com Wed Jul 14 12:54:23 2010 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:54:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] The cup event Message-ID: <695fd.48e08552.396f61df@aol.com> It would be nice to have an event in Southern California. In a message dated 07/13/2010 8:16:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. ---- Joe Boruch wrote: ============= I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ____________________________________________________________ $13/Month Car Insurance? Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/group44tr7 at aol.com From gaf3 at charter.net Wed Jul 14 17:25:51 2010 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:25:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness In-Reply-To: <4C3D8D4C.9060908@cfl.rr.com> References: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4C3D8D4C.9060908@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <4C3E477F.1030103@charter.net> The -1 or +3 engraved on the face of the pinion is used to reference the difference to the replacement gear. It really doesn't give you a starting point but more of a reference. Any good rear end shop will have developed slip fit bearings that they can use to get the proper pinion depth and ring and pinion tooth pattern as well as back lash. If they can't figure it out, you brought it to the wrong shop. It's not rocket science but the same procedures used for decades. My 2cents worth Glenn Franco Bob wrote: > I think it may be stamped on the pinion gear. > > Bob > > On 7/13/2010 11:22 PM, Joseph Siam wrote: >> I have a customers rear end at a rear end shop and they are having a >> tough time setting up the pinion bearing depth. The owner took it >> all apart and had it powder coated and tossed out the shims so no >> starting point for the rear end shop. Any one have any good starting >> point. Thanks Joe >> >> Chequered Flag Racing .net >> Joseph P. Siam >> 9833 Deering Ave unit I >> Chatsworth Ca 91311 >> 818 350 6222 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jul 14 20:31:29 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:31:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4C3E7301.1000400@bradakis.com> Some interesting ideas. I do like the idea of a VARA event in Vegas. Phoenix area depends on the time of year. Right now my main concern is making it to Topeka next month. I'll only be getting two paychecks between now and then, both of which are already used up. My current job sucks in several respects, but it is a job. So be warned, I may be trying to peddle a bunch of parts over the next couple of weeks to come up with gas money. EBay, this list, the TR list, the Team.Net forums, you never know where I might strike! Of course one possible advantage for prospective buyers is the free shipping if you can pick them up somewhere along my route there and back again. First I have to see what I have on the shelf that people might actually *want* !! I'd like to keep the ceramic coated Stahl Spit header for my personal use at a later date, but if I get desperate that alone could cover gas and food for the trip. mjb, shameless self promoter. From igofaster at att.net Wed Jul 14 21:25:42 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <432670.81521.qm@web180809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I'm going to be stingy and propose the Texas World Speedway where we race with CVAR. Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 3:26:39 PM Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jul 14 23:14:06 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:14:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness In-Reply-To: <4C3E477F.1030103@charter.net> References: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net><4C3D8D4C.9060908@cfl.rr.com> <4C3E477F.1030103@charter.net> Message-ID: <32AE554C28FD4AB8820FE482EE868216@Meislaptop> > Any good rear end shop will have developed slip fit bearings that they > can use to get the proper pinion depth and ring and pinion tooth pattern > as well as back lash. Or they are easy enough to make yourself, from the old bearing. However, as I learned when doing my Stag diff a few years back, they may be useless! The old bearing, although still in good condition, was a good .030" thinner than the new replacement. Fortunately for me, it was the input bearing that was a different thickness, not quite as much trouble to keep swapping shims as the head bearing. I guess you could always buy two replacement bearings, and grind out the id of one of them to make a "setting" bearing; but I was too impatient for that. Randall From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jul 15 00:13:07 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 01:13:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20100715061223.AAB11187658@autox.team.net> I prefer historic tracks to new tracks. I prefer a location that isn't known for rain (like Portland is), and has a decent chance of not being blazingly hot (like Kansas is likely to be). The only west coast track I've driven was Portland. I have a personal goal of driving Laguna Seca at least once in my life, but Sears Point looks cool too. If I'm going to tow for 8 days for 3 days of racing, I want the track to be something special. In my half of the country my favorite tracks are Mosport VIR Road America Road Atlanta These are historic tracks with corners that make you say "hmm" (or Holy S*** Batman!) I've never driven Lime Rock but it would be an eastern candidate for 2012. Watkins Glen was cool but we've run there recently. 2nd tier tracks would be Hallett Grattan We did a TR / MG challenge during the SARS scare that kept folks away at Mosport, and we did a Morgan / TR challenge at Road America. We also have had an all Triumph group at Road Atlanta. The April VDCA race at VIR is becoming my favorite event of the year, but is pretty early for some. Low key, tons of track time, a great bunch of Triumph guys there already, awesome facilities... I'm not a big fan of the new country club tracks - they seem soulless and while they make for fun driving they generally don't seem to make for good racing - it's hard to pass when you have bunches of combination corners. Tony Drews From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Thu Jul 15 05:54:01 2010 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 21:54:01 +1000 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com><001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com> <8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> How about Eastern Creek Sydney Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:00 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > Everyone's offering in the FOT is important...not just the hardcore > racer's. > > Thanks! > > Joe A > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg & Alison Blake > To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:56 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR > DECISION > MAKING > > > Joe, > I probably don't get a vote since I have not made a cup event yet and I > have > nly been racing since Feb '09. If I did have a vote, it would be for > Texas > orld Speedway. > I know of at least 7 other FOT racers that will cast the same vote... > Greg in Ausitn > -----Original Message----- > rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > ehalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com > ent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:27 PM > o: fot at autox.team.net > ubject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION > AKING > FOT > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > UP. > Register your preference immediately. > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > Joe A > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jul 15 06:51:41 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:51:41 +0200 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com><001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com> <8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> <50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: <000001cb241c$7a09d4e0$6e1d7ea0$@com> I saw a video from Brathurst (Australia).....seems like fun there but not easy to stay on the track. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Geoff Byrne Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Juli 2010 13:54 An: ablake2 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net; n197tr4 at cs.com Betreff: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING How about Eastern Creek Sydney Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:00 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > Everyone's offering in the FOT is important...not just the hardcore > racer's. > > Thanks! > > Joe A > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg & Alison Blake > To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:56 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR > DECISION > MAKING > > > Joe, > I probably don't get a vote since I have not made a cup event yet and I > have > nly been racing since Feb '09. If I did have a vote, it would be for > Texas > orld Speedway. > I know of at least 7 other FOT racers that will cast the same vote... > Greg in Ausitn > -----Original Message----- > rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > ehalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com > ent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:27 PM > o: fot at autox.team.net > ubject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION > AKING > FOT > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > UP. > Register your preference immediately. > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > Joe A > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Thu Jul 15 07:31:14 2010 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 09:31:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Beaverun - Pittsburgh this weekend References: <05AAD258-4958-43A8-9EAF-55B8C3054172@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001801cb2422$00332170$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi gang, I'm headed down with my TR6; leaving soon. See you there. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:01 PM Subject: [Fot] Beaverun - Pittsburgh this weekend > I'll be there with the GT6. Will there be any other Triumphs racing? > > Scott Janzen > 1968 GT6 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin3 at verizon.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jul 15 07:36:12 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:36:12 -0000 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <20100715061223.AAB11187658@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <971D006BDF634F12B73B2B2A09AE7C1C@latitudefb1e41> Tony, I haven't been to a lot of country club tracks, just 2 in Texas and they are not legendary. The almost new Eagles Canyon track in far north Texas has those "combination corners" and a lot of off camber stuff. It's challenging to say the least and it is up to FIA specs according to their promo stuff. We should through it out there as a future option based on its location, an hour and a half north of Dallas/Fort Worth which makes it a two day haul for most people coming from Socal, and adds about 4 hours to the tow from the midwest compared to Hallett. CVAR has been willing/wanting to do another Triumph event so we could make that happen. It is way too close to the middle of the country after Topeka for this to be a good choice now but for varieties sake I'd prefer ECR rather than Hallett next time. The 2.5 mile layout may give you more opportunity to pass, but only if you have the brakes dialed in. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:13 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING >I prefer historic tracks to new tracks. > > I prefer a location that isn't known for rain (like Portland is), and has > a decent chance of not being blazingly hot (like Kansas is likely to be). > > The only west coast track I've driven was Portland. I have a personal > goal of driving Laguna Seca at least once in my life, but Sears Point > looks cool too. > > If I'm going to tow for 8 days for 3 days of racing, I want the track to > be something special. > > In my half of the country my favorite tracks are > Mosport > VIR > Road America > Road Atlanta > > These are historic tracks with corners that make you say "hmm" (or Holy > S*** Batman!) > > I've never driven Lime Rock but it would be an eastern candidate for 2012. > Watkins Glen was cool but we've run there recently. > > 2nd tier tracks would be > Hallett > Grattan > > We did a TR / MG challenge during the SARS scare that kept folks away at > Mosport, and we did a Morgan / TR challenge at Road America. We also have > had an all Triumph group at Road Atlanta. The April VDCA race at VIR is > becoming my favorite event of the year, but is pretty early for some. Low > key, tons of track time, a great bunch of Triumph guys there already, > awesome facilities... > > I'm not a big fan of the new country club tracks - they seem soulless and > while they make for fun driving they generally don't seem to make for good > racing - it's hard to pass when you have bunches of combination corners. > > Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jul 15 07:45:41 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:45:41 -0000 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com><001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com><8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> <50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: <5BA8352A3ADA48F89A5903CAE06C3421@latitudefb1e41> Greg Blake and Bobby Whitehead both suggested Texas World Speedway and it is a good facility for a venue like ours,. Like Portland it is so far away the tow would scare off a lot of people. Joe and Jack came down once so Joe is a good reference for the tow. The 2.9 mile layout even has some elevation change. Since it uses the NASCAR front straight you'll need overdrive or 3.7 gears or you will run out of rev's. With the economy the way it is sending my car overseas for a Triumph event is highly unlikely, but if it were I'd want to try and keep up with the mad man at the Ring. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Byrne" To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > How about Eastern Creek Sydney Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR > DECISION MAKING > > >> Everyone's offering in the FOT is important...not just the hardcore >> racer's. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Joe A >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Greg & Alison Blake >> To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:56 pm >> Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR >> DECISION >> MAKING >> >> >> Joe, >> I probably don't get a vote since I have not made a cup event yet and I >> have >> nly been racing since Feb '09. If I did have a vote, it would be for >> Texas >> orld Speedway. >> I know of at least 7 other FOT racers that will cast the same vote... >> Greg in Ausitn >> -----Original Message----- >> rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> ehalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com >> ent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:27 PM >> o: fot at autox.team.net >> ubject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION >> AKING >> FOT >> We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER >> UP. >> Register your preference immediately. >> No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. >> Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. >> Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. >> We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? >> Joe A >> ______________________________________________ >> ot at autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >> orums: http://www.team.net/forums >> nsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com >> ______________________________________________ >> ot at autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >> orums: http://www.team.net/forums >> nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From mpendy at dishmail.net Thu Jul 15 07:52:57 2010 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 06:52:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods Message-ID: <0BF70B40A00049DB9F38A7440B2CB705@Pendys> Good Morning list, lots of feed back on the con rods and lots of ideas to ponder, will weigh the pros and cons, thanks for the input........Mark Pendy From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jul 15 08:36:19 2010 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 10:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <000001cb241c$7a09d4e0$6e1d7ea0$@com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com><001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com> <8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> <50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> <000001cb241c$7a09d4e0$6e1d7ea0$@com> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jul 2010, MadMarx wrote: > I saw a video from Brathurst (Australia).....seems like fun there but not > easy to stay on the track. Bathurst - Mount Panorama. Ooooooohhh. Bit of a tow, though. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jul 15 08:39:40 2010 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 10:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <5BA8352A3ADA48F89A5903CAE06C3421@latitudefb1e41> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com><001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com><8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> <50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> <5BA8352A3ADA48F89A5903CAE06C3421@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Sep 2010, Bob Kramer wrote: [stuff deleted] > With the economy the way it is sending my car overseas for a Triumph event is > highly unlikely, but if it were I'd want to try and keep up with > the mad man at the Ring. I'd be all over this - driving the 'Ring would be so awesome!. Back to my previous message - but it's a bit of a tow. :-) > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From adams910 at gmail.com Thu Jul 15 09:00:05 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:00:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <971D006BDF634F12B73B2B2A09AE7C1C@latitudefb1e41> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <20100715061223.AAB11187658@autox.team.net> <971D006BDF634F12B73B2B2A09AE7C1C@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: I think you're going to have trouble getting people to justify a long tow to a non historical track, especially for the racers back east who have tracks like Road Atlanta, VIR, Lime Rock,and Watkins Glen, and a lot of really good "B" tracks like NJMP, Mid Ohio, Summit Point, Beaverun, and Roebling Road at their disposal. No offense to anyone, but I don't think people are super excited at the idea of towing two days to tracks like Topeka and TWS. Just look at the turnout at Watkins Glen in 2008 and the caliber of cars that showed up vs some of the other Triumph gatherings. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Jul 15 09:51:10 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 08:51:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <432670.81521.qm@web180809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <123D624DF14F4FB59A612449AC7F0672@TOSHIBALAPTOP> West Coast - Laguna Seca or Sears Point or Thunderhill in that order Phoenix would be fine if we did it in late winter or fall Barber would let me see my distant daughter and would be my preference for an eastern venue. Also concur on the current car issue. Jim Norlin From spitfiresuz at 141.com Thu Jul 15 10:20:02 2010 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:20:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FORDECISION MAKING Message-ID: <380-22010741516202941@M2W003.mail2web.com> Hi all, I would be happy with Mid-Ohio, Mosport, Road Atlanta, Summit Point or VIR. The spring VIR event is pretty special, as Tony says, and the track works for all types of cars. I love Mosport--the track was great and the hospitality was good (although now we Americans will need valid passports to go there and back). The Mid-Ohio track is a blast, although I do understand the issues some folks might have with going there. I have not been to Summit Point yet, so can not speak to their setup, but the others I have named all have reasonable facilities for large groups of people, both racers/support staff and spectators. It would just depend on how the sponsoring organization works with us. I know VDCA and VARAC would do it up right. Thanks for throwing this out there, Joe (A)! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft. Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Thu Jul 15 11:07:46 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 10:07:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 In-Reply-To: <59627548-5197-4829-A942-4A2CC203D0BF@bnj.com> References: <530b0.606cca22.396f1c8a@cs.com> <59627548-5197-4829-A942-4A2CC203D0BF@bnj.com> Message-ID: Gentlemen: I just got off the phone with Joe Alexander to discuss possible locations for the 2011 Kastner Cup. Would it be possible for you all to weigh in on the following three options before we proceed further. Option One: Laguna Seca (Mazda Raceway) in June. Option Two: Las Vegas Motor Speedway in October Option Three: Willow Springs International Raceway in March or November Please reply with your preference(s) and Joe will start a tally. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > There are several events at Sears Point--the CSRG charity Challenge would > be > the most likely one. Another great choice in the Southwest is Thunderhill. > Great track, though the location sucks. It's not the middle of nowhere but > you > can see it from there. Still, the track is marvelous and there's plenty of > room to spread out. > > On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > FOT list > > > > Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in this > > madness. > > > > Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. > > > > Infineon & Mosport > > > > But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning body > > have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. > > > > Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are other > > obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. > > > > Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted area > > for the next Kastner Cup. > > > > Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the 2012 > > Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in > Competition. > > > > As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be addressed > > because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that one off. You dont > think > > so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an > answer. > > They want to make it a big and memorable event. > > > > THANK YOU VERY MUCH. > > > > Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on > > this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE > > > > Joe A > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jul 15 11:16:17 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:16:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 Message-ID: <8CCF25891ED7DCC-1888-1713@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com> My Choices: Leguna Seca June Las Vegas October Willow Springs Joe Alexander thataway to go John.......! From fasttrs at yahoo.com Thu Jul 15 11:32:03 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:32:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com> <8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> <50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: <7059A721-F108-40A2-AE43-277795793E5B@yahoo.com> Sure Geoff, send us a boat and we'll be there :-)! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2010, at 6:54 AM, "Geoff Byrne" wrote: > How about Eastern Creek Sydney Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > > >> Everyone's offering in the FOT is important...not just the hardcore racer's. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Joe A >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Greg & Alison Blake >> To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:56 pm >> Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION >> MAKING >> >> >> Joe, >> I probably don't get a vote since I have not made a cup event yet and I have >> nly been racing since Feb '09. If I did have a vote, it would be for Texas >> orld Speedway. >> I know of at least 7 other FOT racers that will cast the same vote... >> Greg in Ausitn >> -----Original Message----- >> rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> ehalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com >> ent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:27 PM >> o: fot at autox.team.net >> ubject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION >> AKING >> FOT >> We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER >> UP. >> Register your preference immediately. >> No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. >> Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. >> Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. >> We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? >> Joe A >> ______________________________________________ >> ot at autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >> orums: http://www.team.net/forums >> nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com >> ______________________________________________ >> ot at autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >> orums: http://www.team.net/forums >> nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu Jul 15 11:35:04 2010 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:35:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HPR in 2011 Message-ID: I'll submit High Plains Raceway as nobody else has. Got to be true to your school... K Lynch RMVR From bownes at seiri.com Thu Jul 15 11:48:08 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:48:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FORDECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <380-22010741516202941@M2W003.mail2web.com> References: <380-22010741516202941@M2W003.mail2web.com> Message-ID: I'm happy as long as the event happens, but having it at Lime Rock would assure my attendance! I'd probably even finish up a project to bring! iii On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 12:20 PM, spitfiresuz at 141.com wrote: > Hi all, > > I would be happy with Mid-Ohio, Mosport, Road Atlanta, Summit Point or VIR. > > The spring VIR event is pretty special, as Tony says, and the track works > for all types of cars. I love Mosport--the track was great and the > hospitality was good (although now we Americans will need valid passports > to go there and back). The Mid-Ohio track is a blast, although I do > understand the issues some folks might have with going there. I have not > been to Summit Point yet, so can not speak to their setup, but the others I > have named all have reasonable facilities for large groups of people, both > racers/support staff and spectators. > > It would just depend on how the sponsoring organization works with us. I > know VDCA and VARAC would do it up right. > > Thanks for throwing this out there, Joe (A)! > > Keep Triumphing, > Susan :) > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com - Microsoft. Exchange solutions from a leading provider - > http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From billb at bnj.com Thu Jul 15 12:00:31 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:00:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <20100715061223.AAB11187658@autox.team.net> <971D006BDF634F12B73B2B2A09AE7C1C@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: Amen, brother. I discovered on my long tour (www.allaluminumtour.com) that most historic tracks are also great tracks. And most of the ones you never heard of are not. The best you can say about the modern tracks is that they are "interesting". Would I rather go to Sears or Thunderhill. No contest. A great track has places to pass, challenging corners, places to go fast, and requires technique, tactics and strategy. I spent some time thinking about this once and decided why I like Portland International Raceway even though there are no elevation changes (which I generally consider critical). It's because you need a strategy for each opponent based on the relative strengths and weaknesses of their car and yours. You can be a second slower at PIR and win with a superior strategy. Been there, done exactly that. Limerock--historically significant but kind of boring. Watkins Glen--separates the sheep from the goats (according to Tony Garmey). Road America--where am I? Fast and interesting. Road Atlanta--incredibly varied and some fine passing places. Sears--Awesome, great passing spots, fast and tricky. Laguna -- some nice corners, the corkscrew is fun and turn nine is a challenge, but not in the same league as Sears. VIR--fiddly, but fun. Mosport--oh my god. What were they thinking. On Jul 15, 2010, at 8:00 AM, Bob Adams wrote: > I think you're going to have trouble getting people to justify a long tow to > a non historical track, especially for the racers back east who have tracks > like Road Atlanta, VIR, Lime Rock,and Watkins Glen, and a lot of really good > "B" tracks like NJMP, Mid Ohio, Summit Point, Beaverun, and Roebling Road at > their disposal. > > No offense to anyone, but I don't think people are super excited at the idea > of towing two days to tracks like Topeka and TWS. > > Just look at the turnout at Watkins Glen in 2008 and the caliber of cars > that showed up vs some of the other Triumph gatherings. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Jul 15 14:09:28 2010 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:09:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My choice for the KASTNER CUP 2011 In-Reply-To: <8CCF25891ED7DCC-1888-1713@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF25891ED7DCC-1888-1713@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Laguna Seca in June: I will do everything possible to make it as it is on my bucket list. Las Vegas in October: 21 hour tow makes this a hard choice. I will try to make it, especially if we get some other takers from Texas. Willow Springs: see # 2 Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell We are as happy as we make up our minds to be. ~ Abraham Lincoln From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Thu Jul 15 17:14:06 2010 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:14:06 +1000 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <000001cb241c$7a09d4e0$6e1d7ea0$@com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com><001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com><8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com><50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> <000001cb241c$7a09d4e0$6e1d7ea0$@com> Message-ID: We race at Bathurst at Easter and its the most intimadating track in Australia requires real balls to drive it fast . The best track in Australia IMHO is Philip Island where we have a race each year befor the Aus GP a lot of US drivers bring cars over for the meeting and go on to race in support races at the GP. Driving Philip Island is like dancing it just flows Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING >I saw a video from Brathurst (Australia).....seems like fun there but not > easy to stay on the track. From susank at 141.com Thu Jul 15 17:15:59 2010 From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:15:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FORDECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <380-22010741516202941@M2W003.mail2web.com> References: <380-22010741516202941@M2W003.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <4C3F96AF.8010408@141.com> From jfrymark at aol.com Thu Jul 15 17:29:09 2010 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 16:29:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 2011 Kastner Cup Message-ID: <3D2F7EA9-FF6C-4470-9FCA-FB8DDF1B2D7F@aol.com> > On Jul 15, 2010, at 8:00 AM, Bob Adams wrote: > I think you're going to have trouble getting people to justify a > long tow to a non historical track, especially for the racers back east who have tracks like Road Atlanta, VIR, Lime Rock,and Watkins Glen,... I think along these lines, too. That's why I encourage you to think about coming to race at Willow Springs in SoCal. It is the oldest track in the West (continuously operated since 1950-something), it's long and it's fast. In November, when most racing is bench-style, VARA puts on the Big Bore Bash bringing interesting cars from all over. While you might want to only think about Triumphs, it's really cool to see a Lola T70 at full chat around WSIR. And this is the track where Kas tried out all his "new stuff", so it has special significance. John Frymark VARA DP #67 TR4A From susank at 141.com Thu Jul 15 18:03:09 2010 From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 20:03:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FORDECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <4C3F96AF.8010408@141.com> References: <380-22010741516202941@M2W003.mail2web.com> <4C3F96AF.8010408@141.com> Message-ID: <4C3FA1BD.5010608@141.com> Whoops, meant to designate this for the 60th, not 2011. I have no opinion on west-coast raceways, since I have never raced at one, but fully agree the Kastner Cup needs to give both sides and the middle of the continent equal representation. Susan :) > > On 7/15/2010 12:20 PM, spitfiresuz at 141.com wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I would be happy with Mid-Ohio, Mosport, Road Atlanta, Summit Point or VIR. >> >> The spring VIR event is pretty special, as Tony says, and the track works >> for all types of cars. I love Mosport--the track was great and the >> hospitality was good (although now we Americans will need valid passports >> to go there and back). The Mid-Ohio track is a blast, although I do >> understand the issues some folks might have with going there. I have not >> been to Summit Point yet, so can not speak to their setup, but the others I >> have named all have reasonable facilities for large groups of people, both >> racers/support staff and spectators. >> >> It would just depend on how the sponsoring organization works with us. I >> know VDCA and VARAC would do it up right. >> >> Thanks for throwing this out there, Joe (A)! >> >> Keep Triumphing, >> Susan :) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive:http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums:http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> mail2web.com - Microsoft. Exchange solutions from a leading provider - >> http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive:http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums:http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG -www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3006 - Release Date: 07/14/10 22:26:00 >> >> > > -- > I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. > -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jul 15 18:32:54 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:32:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HPR in 2011 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C3FA8B6.5020809@bradakis.com> KEVIN LYNCH wrote: > I'll submit High Plains Raceway as nobody else has. > My first impression is that it is too close to Topeka. It might be a good choice after a west coast then east coast event, but two central events in a row would likely not go over that well. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jul 15 18:38:19 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:38:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 In-Reply-To: <8CCF25891ED7DCC-1888-1713@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF25891ED7DCC-1888-1713@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4C3FA9FB.2050905@bradakis.com> > Las Vegas October > > This is my personal preference. A day's drive away, a good time of year in terms of temperatures, and I'm not that tempted to throw away a lot of money at the casinos - I waste it all on Triumphs! By October of 2011 I could even have a Triumph that I could drive to Vegas. Having one I could *race* at Vegas is pretty unlikely. mjb. From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Jul 15 19:54:15 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 21:54:15 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Venue Message-ID: Regarding Vegas, It's a fantastic draw to tell the family that this race weekend will have something for them too for a change. That's a sell. Downside, it's not a track that you'll be talking about for years to come, Obviously I can support the notion of a Vegas event, I live twenty miles away. Beyond that I'd have to say no. Willow would be a much better racetrack but no amenities. Nonetheless, I'm glad to see the observations that the crowd is way overdue to come west. We've driven East much too often and for a while there I expected the next event to be two hundred miles out in the Atlantic ocean, such was the eastern migration. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Jul 15 19:56:26 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:56:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Laguna Seca is my first choice. I haven't been there since the 1970 Can Am race. I'd have to list Willow Springs as a second choice. It's definitely a historic track and one I want to race at. I would like to ask the SoCal folks about the conditions there. I've heard that there's significant wind blown sand at some of the tracks in the area, but I don't remember which tracks were affected, Willow Springs or Buttonwillow or even Vegas. Any comments and does the time of year make a difference? Not a big deal for my paint job, but it may be for some. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Nikas Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:08 AM To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Gentlemen: I just got off the phone with Joe Alexander to discuss possible locations for the 2011 Kastner Cup. Would it be possible for you all to weigh in on the following three options before we proceed further. Option One: Laguna Seca (Mazda Raceway) in June. Option Two: Las Vegas Motor Speedway in October Option Three: Willow Springs International Raceway in March or November Please reply with your preference(s) and Joe will start a tally. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > There are several events at Sears Point--the CSRG charity Challenge > would be the most likely one. Another great choice in the Southwest is > Thunderhill. Great track, though the location sucks. It's not the > middle of nowhere but you > can see it from there. Still, the track is marvelous and there's plenty of > room to spread out. > > On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > FOT list > > > > Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in > > this madness. > > > > Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. > > > > Infineon & Mosport > > > > But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning > > body have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. > > > > Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are > > other obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. > > > > Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted > > area for the next Kastner Cup. > > > > Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the > > 2012 Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in > Competition. > > > > As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be > > addressed because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that > > one off. You dont > think > > so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an > answer. > > They want to make it a big and memorable event. > > > > THANK YOU VERY MUCH. > > > > Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on > > this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE > > > > Joe A > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From jgambony at gcecisp.com Thu Jul 15 20:03:12 2010 From: jgambony at gcecisp.com (jgambony at gcecisp.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 21:03:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2012 Message-ID: <1216.189.154.17.161.1279245792.squirrel@189.154.17.161> For 2012 I'll pose the question to the historians on the list (I'm away from my reference library for the week)... Where was the first race for a Standard-Triumph in the US? Just a thought. Cheers, Jim Dallas FOT list Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in this madness. Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. Infineon & Mosport But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning body have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are other obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted area for the next Kastner Cup. Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the 2012 Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in Competition. As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be addressed because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that one off. You dont think so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an answer. They want to make it a big and memorable event. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Jul 15 21:24:22 2010 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 03:24:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 In-Reply-To: <1718964034.101891.1279250609087.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1565926704.101946.1279250662542.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> If we can't have Sears Point (Infineon), Laguna would be the next best choice. With the close proximity of the Monterey Bay and all it has to offer, your families and sweethearts will want to make the trip too. The June event is low key and the chance to experience the Corking device will delight all who go there. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:16:17 AM Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 My Choices: Leguna Seca June Las Vegas October Willow Springs Joe Alexander thataway to go John.......! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jul 15 23:37:20 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 00:37:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <530b0.606cca22.396f1c8a@cs.com> <59627548-5197-4829-A942-4A2CC203D0BF@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20100716053641.110C218765E@autox.team.net> My order of preference is that same as what is listed: 1. Laguna Seca / June 2. Vegas October 3. Willow Springs with a slight preference of November over March - Tony Drews At 12:07 PM 7/15/2010, John Nikas wrote: >Gentlemen: > >I just got off the phone with Joe Alexander to discuss possible locations >for the 2011 Kastner Cup. > >Would it be possible for you all to weigh in on the following three options >before we proceed further. > >Option One: Laguna Seca (Mazda Raceway) in June. > >Option Two: Las Vegas Motor Speedway in October > >Option Three: Willow Springs International Raceway in March or November > >Please reply with your preference(s) and Joe will start a tally. > >On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > > > There are several events at Sears Point--the CSRG charity Challenge would > > be > > the most likely one. Another great choice in the Southwest is Thunderhill. > > Great track, though the location sucks. It's not the middle of nowhere but > > you > > can see it from there. Still, the track is marvelous and there's plenty of > > room to spread out. > > > > On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > > > FOT list > > > > > > Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in this > > > madness. > > > > > > Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. > > > > > > Infineon & Mosport > > > > > > But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning body > > > have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. > > > > > > Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are other > > > obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. > > > > > > Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted area > > > for the next Kastner Cup. > > > > > > Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the 2012 > > > Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in > > Competition. > > > > > > As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be addressed > > > because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that one off. You dont > > think > > > so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an > > answer. > > > They want to make it a big and memorable event. > > > > > > THANK YOU VERY MUCH. > > > > > > Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on > > > this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE > > > > > > Joe A > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > > > > > > > > >-- >Very truly yours, > >John Nikas >Cape Coventry Racing >www.capecoventryracing.com >(949) 375-6306 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From GRMTim at aol.com Fri Jul 16 06:10:10 2010 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 08:10:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Message-ID: We will sponsor the event, the parties and we also have our small-bore series going if you make it part of the Classic Motorsports Mitty at Road Atlanta in early May. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 From GRMTim at aol.com Fri Jul 16 06:16:04 2010 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 08:16:04 EDT Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 Message-ID: I also suggest that you study timing and where our members are located. I am sick that I cannot make Topeka and actually am still looking at flights so I can just drop in for a day and say hi on my way back from Monterey. But between in being in Topeka and one week after Monterey, I just couldn't figure out how to do it. I like the idea of moving it around and it has gotten me to tracks that I wouldn't ordinarily go to, but we will get better representation if this event is either part of another major event that many of us are already planning on going to, or totally not near another major event (like Monterey) that many of us are planning on going to. It also will do better if it is nearer to more of our members. Ie., If 2/3rds of our members are in the east, than 2/3rds of these events should be in the east. Does Joe have these figures? Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 07:01:20 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 06:01:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Deal. You're committed now Tim. On Jul 16, 2010 5:50 AM, wrote: We will sponsor the event, the parties and we also have our small-bore series going if you make it part of the Classic Motorsports Mitty at Road Atlanta in early May. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donat... From triosan at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 07:13:23 2010 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:13:23 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would vote for that in 2012! Chuck On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:10 PM, wrote: > We will sponsor the event, the parties and we also have our small-bore > series going if you make it part of the Classic Motorsports Mitty at Road > Atlanta in early May. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From adams910 at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 07:24:11 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:24:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Message-ID: I'd also caution against using hard numbers from an unofficial FOT list poll, unless there is a silent majority who are just privately emailing. The midwest racers seem to be pretty active on the list, but I can think a lot of east coast racers who you never see post anymore. The so-cal and p-northwest guys seem to chime in once in a while, but I'm not sure how many of them there are. Sorry to steer this off topic, but what are the rules for what is eligible for the Kastner Cup? Most East Coast and Midwest racers have minimum weight rules and tire restrictions, where from taking a quick look at pictures and taking a quick gander at the rules, the west coast guys don't have them and most seem to be on 7" rims with Hoosier R6's. That makes for a BIG difference in performance, and I know there are some East Coast guys that would go REALLY FAST if they switched tires and pulled ballast. Bob From chasgee at aol.com Fri Jul 16 09:46:46 2010 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:46:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> I wish we could run 7 inch rims, but our rules (like most everyone elses) limit us to 6 inch. We can run any DOT tire though, including the R6. We have around 15-18 Triumph regulars in So Cal/Vegas that show up to most of the races. We probably average 10-12 Triumphs per local event. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Adams To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2010 6:24 am Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP I'd also caution against using hard numbers from an unofficial FOT list oll, unless there is a silent majority who are just privately emailing. The idwest racers seem to be pretty active on the list, but I can think a lot f east coast racers who you never see post anymore. The so-cal and -northwest guys seem to chime in once in a while, but I'm not sure how many f them there are. orry to steer this off topic, but what are the rules for what is eligible or the Kastner Cup? Most East Coast and Midwest racers have minimum weight ules and tire restrictions, where from taking a quick look at pictures and aking a quick gander at the rules, the west coast guys don't have them and ost seem to be on 7" rims with Hoosier R6's. That makes for a BIG ifference in performance, and I know there are some East Coast guys that ould go REALLY FAST if they switched tires and pulled ballast. Bob ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From adams910 at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 09:52:24 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:52:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Ok, before anyone accuses me of complaining, I'm not. I just want to know how far you can go and still be eligible for the Cup. This is racing, there is no sense in bringing a knife to a gun fight. 7" rims applies to some of the 4cyl TR's and I meant organizations in the Southwest. Bob From Group44TR7 at aol.com Fri Jul 16 09:59:54 2010 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:59:54 EDT Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 & beyond Message-ID: Tim I appreciate all that you have attempted to do for Triumph owners and in particular, the Triumph racing community. When it comes to the 60th reunion that FOT selection should take into account your past and current support. I felt particularly bad that I was unable to support your efforts to get the Group 44 cars together because of all that you have done. Unfortunately, the same considerations and constraints will probably keep me from particpating in the 60th reunion if it was held at Mitty. Fot Members Similarly, Moss has in past sponsored a spring event at Buttonwillow. I do not remember that event being an "official" annual FOT event, but it seems like we are not supporting a vendor who is supporting us. Maybe something can be worked out with Moss about an annual west coast event (although I really do not like Buttonwillow) In the end, if we do not support those who are supporting us, then we will lose their support. Thanks for listening - Cary From chasgee at aol.com Fri Jul 16 10:32:00 2010 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:32:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CCF31B8CEDA857-18B8-292DE@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> Bob, Go here: http://www.kaskastner.com/kastnercup.html Since this is Kas's invention, he creates the ruels. Chuck Gee -----Original Message----- From: Bob Adams To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2010 8:52 am Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Ok, before anyone accuses me of complaining, I'm not. I just want to know ow far you can go and still be eligible for the Cup. This is racing, there s no sense in bringing a knife to a gun fight. 7" rims applies to some of the 4cyl TR's and I meant organizations in the outhwest. Bob ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From billb at bnj.com Fri Jul 16 10:32:44 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:32:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: In my tour around the country the place I found the most modern triumph rubber in the southeast. Most of the folks in the NW run SOVERN vintage rules, which means 6" rims and treaded tires. For TR3 that means bias ply 70 series, so it's vintage TDs. I'm supposed to run those, but I generally run Hoosier Speedsters. If you run HMSA or General Racing it's Dunlop L series in 5.50 X 15. A far cry from the slicks everyone was on in the Southeast. On Jul 16, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Bob Adams wrote: > Ok, before anyone accuses me of complaining, I'm not. I just want to know > how far you can go and still be eligible for the Cup. This is racing, there > is no sense in bringing a knife to a gun fight. > > 7" rims applies to some of the 4cyl TR's and I meant organizations in the > Southwest. > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From gasket.works at gte.net Fri Jul 16 10:59:10 2010 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:59:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] rules; In-Reply-To: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1817612503-1279299548-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-312014846-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I like rules. They invigorate my curiosity for ways to confound them. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: chasgee at aol.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:46:46 To: ; Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP I wish we could run 7 inch rims, but our rules (like most everyone elses) limit us to 6 inch. We can run any DOT tire though, including the R6. We have around 15-18 Triumph regulars in So Cal/Vegas that show up to most of the races. We probably average 10-12 Triumphs per local event. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Adams To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2010 6:24 am Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP I'd also caution against using hard numbers from an unofficial FOT list oll, unless there is a silent majority who are just privately emailing. The idwest racers seem to be pretty active on the list, but I can think a lot f east coast racers who you never see post anymore. The so-cal and -northwest guys seem to chime in once in a while, but I'm not sure how many f them there are. orry to steer this off topic, but what are the rules for what is eligible or the Kastner Cup? Most East Coast and Midwest racers have minimum weight ules and tire restrictions, where from taking a quick look at pictures and aking a quick gander at the rules, the west coast guys don't have them and ost seem to be on 7" rims with Hoosier R6's. That makes for a BIG ifference in performance, and I know there are some East Coast guys that ould go REALLY FAST if they switched tires and pulled ballast. Bob ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net From kaskas at cox.net Fri Jul 16 13:23:58 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:23:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Another point Message-ID: <20100716152358.E0T1M.54411.imail@fed1rmwml46> In my long explanation of my rules, I left out an other thing, You cannot win the cup in consecutive years. -- Never be beaten by equipment From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Jul 16 14:30:42 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:30:42 -0000 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> What size tire are they running on 7" rims? Assuming we are talking treaded, vintage legal tires, I would think they would have to be some pretty sticky 225-50's to make a big enough difference over the 205-60's we run on 6" rims. I have 7" rims on my street TR6 and I could use them on the TR4's depending on the venue but I doubt it would be worth the effort unless I upgraded tires too. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Adams" To: Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP > Ok, before anyone accuses me of complaining, I'm not. I just want to know > how far you can go and still be eligible for the Cup. This is racing, > there > is no sense in bringing a knife to a gun fight. > > 7" rims applies to some of the 4cyl TR's and I meant organizations in the > Southwest. > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jul 16 14:46:38 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:46:38 +0200 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000101cb2527$fdb23ce0$f916b6a0$@com> We are allowed to run 7" rims but most of the people stay with 6". -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von chasgee at aol.com Gesendet: Freitag, 16. Juli 2010 17:47 An: adams910 at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP I wish we could run 7 inch rims, but our rules (like most everyone elses) limit us to 6 inch. We can run any DOT tire though, including the R6. We have around 15-18 Triumph regulars in So Cal/Vegas that show up to most of the races. We probably average 10-12 Triumphs per local event. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Adams To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2010 6:24 am Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP I'd also caution against using hard numbers from an unofficial FOT list oll, unless there is a silent majority who are just privately emailing. The idwest racers seem to be pretty active on the list, but I can think a lot f east coast racers who you never see post anymore. The so-cal and -northwest guys seem to chime in once in a while, but I'm not sure how many f them there are. orry to steer this off topic, but what are the rules for what is eligible or the Kastner Cup? Most East Coast and Midwest racers have minimum weight ules and tire restrictions, where from taking a quick look at pictures and aking a quick gander at the rules, the west coast guys don't have them and ost seem to be on 7" rims with Hoosier R6's. That makes for a BIG ifference in performance, and I know there are some East Coast guys that ould go REALLY FAST if they switched tires and pulled ballast. Bob ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From igofaster at att.net Fri Jul 16 15:03:17 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <530b0.606cca22.396f1c8a@cs.com> <59627548-5197-4829-A942-4A2CC203D0BF@bnj.com> Message-ID: <478891.81425.qm@web180803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Willow Springs in November.. Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: John Nikas To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 12:07:46 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Gentlemen: I just got off the phone with Joe Alexander to discuss possible locations for the 2011 Kastner Cup. Would it be possible for you all to weigh in on the following three options before we proceed further. Option One: Laguna Seca (Mazda Raceway) in June. Option Two: Las Vegas Motor Speedway in October Option Three: Willow Springs International Raceway in March or November Please reply with your preference(s) and Joe will start a tally. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > There are several events at Sears Point--the CSRG charity Challenge would > be > the most likely one. Another great choice in the Southwest is Thunderhill. > Great track, though the location sucks. It's not the middle of nowhere but > you > can see it from there. Still, the track is marvelous and there's plenty of > room to spread out. > > On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > FOT list > > > > Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in this > > madness. > > > > Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. > > > > Infineon & Mosport > > > > But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning body > > have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. > > > > Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are other > > obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. > > > > Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted area > > for the next Kastner Cup. > > > > Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the 2012 > > Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in > Competition. > > > > As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be addressed > > because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that one off. You dont > think > > so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an > answer. > > They want to make it a big and memorable event. > > > > THANK YOU VERY MUCH. > > > > Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on > > this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE > > > > Joe A > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From kaskas at cox.net Fri Jul 16 15:19:15 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:19:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Another point In-Reply-To: <20100716152358.E0T1M.54411.imail@fed1rmwml46> Message-ID: <20100716171915.Z7GQN.55446.imail@fed1rmwml41> Well apparently my long message about the rules of the CUP has been cut by the list administrator for being too long. But it may show up in a while. ---- Kas Kastner wrote: ============= In my long explanation of my rules, I left out an other thing, You cannot win the cup in consecutive years. -- Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Jul 16 16:18:02 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:18:02 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Another point References: <20100716171915.Z7GQN.55446.imail@fed1rmwml41> Message-ID: <4096F2FE3C6E4879A5F6FBA0549F4E6E@latitudefb1e41> and Mordy has been drooling all afternoon. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "Kas Kastner" ; Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Another point > Well apparently my long message about the rules of the CUP has been cut by > the list administrator for being too long. But it may show up in a while From adams910 at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 16:25:16 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:25:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: There is a discernible difference between a 6" and 7" rim on a 205 series tire. Any good driver (it's pretty common knowledge amongst the R-DOT SCCA crowd) who has done testing will tell you this. However, a 7" rim would help to make the TR4 more competitive against the Porshe 356's , the Kumho / Toyo shod MGBs and those pesky 1000lb Super 7's and Ginetta's From brad.kahler at 141.com Fri Jul 16 16:59:08 2010 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:59:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 In-Reply-To: <20100716053641.110C218765E@autox.team.net> References: <530b0.606cca22.396f1c8a@cs.com> <59627548-5197-4829-A942-4A2CC203D0BF@bnj.com> <20100716053641.110C218765E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Just thought I should throw this out there for the east coasters interested in a March or November west coast event. Keep in mind that the Rockies can be an interesting place to travel during those months. I lived in the mountains at 9000 above Denver for about 10 years and you can get horrendous snow storms at almost a moments notice. The highways are well taken care of (or were) by the road crews but when a blizzard hits there isn't much they can do until its over. Just something to consider when making a decision for the event location. Brad On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:37 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > My order of preference is that same as what is listed: > 1. Laguna Seca / June > 2. Vegas October > 3. Willow Springs with a slight preference of November over March > > - Tony Drews From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jul 16 17:31:53 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 01:31:53 +0200 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> Hmm, when ever was a TR4 slower than a 356? In Europe they are TR food. MGS are about the same speed as a TR4. S7 should be faster but not always they are. I never met a Ginetta in a race. The Porsches 911S and TS are hard to beat. I bet that the bigger rims are an advantage but they might require to do changes to the body work. Fender flares aren't allowed in Europe. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bob Adams Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Juli 2010 00:25 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP There is a discernible difference between a 6" and 7" rim on a 205 series tire. Any good driver (it's pretty common knowledge amongst the R-DOT SCCA crowd) who has done testing will tell you this. However, a 7" rim would help to make the TR4 more competitive against the Porshe 356's , the Kumho / Toyo shod MGBs and those pesky 1000lb Super 7's and Ginetta's _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From kaskas at cox.net Fri Jul 16 13:13:42 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:13:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup, not the FOT cup. In-Reply-To: <1817612503-1279299548-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-312014846-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <20100716151342.IWXI0.54252.imail@fed1rmwml46> I have always been a better than average racing lawyer, and did devote more than a little time to carefully reading every sentence and every word of every rule. So maybe I can give a little clairification of this deal. This is about TRIUMPH CARS and entrants, not FOT cars and entrants. First off, it was never meant to be a prize for the all out winner of a race that is designated as the CUP event, it might be the first overall guy, and it has happened, but only once in 6 events. Half of the voting points are awarded to the OUTSTANDING Triumph driver in the race designated. But, that is only half of it. 25% is awarded to vintage racing entrants that normally support that series, Vintage Racing, and whose attitude reflects a the spirit of the series. 25% of the points is awarded on the presentation of the car. That means a neat, clean, smart looking car that is well prepared. The final 50% is for the performance in the racing event. With a purpose, I devised this latitude to assist in judging the winner of the Cup. The idea of awarding this cup, in the very beginning, was to give a bit of special attention to the people that have put their love and efforts and hard cash into the sport and into their cars. I love Triumph cars and I thought this award might make a few folks happy to get some attention for their efforts. The club responsible for the total event that administers tech inspection determines the legality of the entrant, though it is my opinion that if your car is legal to your local clubs regulations, you make the cut. Jack Worhle at the Watklin's Glen event did a terrific job and making it possible for everyone to race together. It might be a good idea to ask him to participate. The same was done at Portland last year. Every clubs entrants, with different specifications, were all running together and it was a great event. There is usually several races for all cars. Not just the Triumph race, so it is not a plan to cut out some folks because of their local club regulations. Sure, the rules are different and so are the preparation of each, but for the most part it is pretty easy to pick out the few in the Triumph race that is OUTSTANDING. At least it has been so far. It has been terribly close right down to the end in several of the CUP events, but in the end, it was a clear cut decision. This is not a "popularity contest" or a "deserving person" contest. It is not always an easy choice, but in the end, I make the count, and the final decision, blame me if you do not agree with the outcome. ---- gasket.works at gte.net wrote: ============= I like rules. They invigorate my curiosity for ways to confound them. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: chasgee at aol.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:46:46 To: ; Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP I wish we could run 7 inch rims, but our rules (like most everyone elses) limit us to 6 inch. We can run any DOT tire though, including the R6. We have around 15-18 Triumph regulars in So Cal/Vegas that show up to most of the races. We probably average 10-12 Triumphs per local event. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Adams To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2010 6:24 am Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP I'd also caution against using hard numbers from an unofficial FOT list oll, unless there is a silent majority who are just privately emailing. The idwest racers seem to be pretty active on the list, but I can think a lot f east coast racers who you never see post anymore. The so-cal and -northwest guys seem to chime in once in a while, but I'm not sure how many f them there are. orry to steer this off topic, but what are the rules for what is eligible or the Kastner Cup? Most East Coast and Midwest racers have minimum weight ules and tire restrictions, where from taking a quick look at pictures and aking a quick gander at the rules, the west coast guys don't have them and ost seem to be on 7" rims with Hoosier R6's. That makes for a BIG ifference in performance, and I know there are some East Coast guys that ould go REALLY FAST if they switched tires and pulled ballast. Bob ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jul 16 18:34:19 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:34:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Another point In-Reply-To: <20100716171915.Z7GQN.55446.imail@fed1rmwml41> References: <20100716171915.Z7GQN.55446.imail@fed1rmwml41> Message-ID: <4C40FA8B.2070306@bradakis.com> Kas Kastner wrote: > Well apparently my long message about the rules of the CUP has been cut by the list administrator for being too long. But it may show up in a while. > Yes, I will get to various Team.Net admin chores later this evening, will make sure I get the rules message approved. Actually, I can wait another few minutes before starting the charcoal for tonight's dinner... Okay, it should be on it's way, though the server is showing some delay in turnaround time on email. I gotta get that fixed! mjb. From adams910 at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 18:35:24 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:35:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> Message-ID: Wider track, 4 wheel disk brakes, better aero, 300lbs lighter, 4 wheel independent suspension and a killer gear box set up. A really healthy TR can run the best ones down the straightaways pretty good, and a really good driver can outbrake them, but they come off the corners like a rocket ship. A track with tight corners and long straightaways would suit the TR well, but a track like Watkins Glen with a lot of fast sweepers, the TR is close, but a tick behind. I'm willing to bet the Porshe 356's (the cars out of Skirmant's shop and Ecurie Enterprises) over here are much more developed and better driven than you guys have over there. Same with the MGB's (1850lbs and the best ones are making around 190bhp on SU's). From chasgee at aol.com Fri Jul 16 19:20:03 2010 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 21:20:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com><1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> Message-ID: <8CCF365515E8C28-266C-5798@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> We have no problems with the 356s or MGs on the West coast either. 911s and Ginettas are in the next class up. -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2010 4:31 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Hmm, when ever was a TR4 slower than a 356? n Europe they are TR food. GS are about the same speed as a TR4. 7 should be faster but not always they are. never met a Ginetta in a race. he Porsches 911S and TS are hard to beat. I bet that the bigger rims are an advantage but they might require to do hanges to the body work. ender flares aren't allowed in Europe. Cheers hris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- on: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im uftrag von Bob Adams esendet: Samstag, 17. Juli 2010 00:25 n: fot at autox.team.net etreff: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP There is a discernible difference between a 6" and 7" rim on a 205 series ire. Any good driver (it's pretty common knowledge amongst the R-DOT SCCA rowd) who has done testing will tell you this. However, a 7" rim would elp to make the TR4 more competitive against the Porshe 356's , the Kumho Toyo shod MGBs and those pesky 1000lb Super 7's and Ginetta's ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Jul 16 19:25:04 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 01:25:04 -0000 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com><1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> Message-ID: We have those car running in CVAR and my TR4 loses to the fast MGB's, most of the 911's and all the S7's. The 911's run 7" rims and 225-50-15 Hoosier Street TD's or equivelent, even though they could be forced onto the 205-60-15 tire. Practicality rules the day as most 911 vintage racers also run Porsche club events and they don't want two sets of wheels and tires. We have a lot of 911's. I assume a TR6 would also run 225-50's. We have some wacky rules in CVAR. The induction rule allows any carb as long as you don't change the number of barrels. The fast MGB's are running 2" SU's in place of the SCCA spec 1.5" versions, so that tells you that they are moving a lot of air through the engine. I attest the t to the fact that the MGB was a current car into the 1980's and was continued to be developed way beyong the end of the line for the wet liner TR. That and all the lightweight stuff we all try to use and viola, big HP. From what I've heard we are pretty much maxxing out the TR engine and can't get much more through without more rev's than we can afford. The same induction rule allows one to run a TR6 with triple Webers even though the SCCA had the dual car car as the spec. Just like the old days we showed them the PI spec to get John Price's TR6 engine TVR legal and proved the righteousness of the allowance. I'm itching to build a TR6 these days. The S7's are supposed to run a single Weber with the (I think) 1300 engine and dual Webers with the smaller engines. I suspect all the ones I see are all bumped to 1500 cc's and I know they all run dual Webers. To add insult to injury they class them with me in DP. Since I have 7" rims I may have to test the "discernible difference between a 6" and 7" rim on a 205 series tire" statement. I can't see how it could be much. If it were, I'll runn 7"ers when I go west! Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP > Hmm, when ever was a TR4 slower than a 356? > In Europe they are TR food. > MGS are about the same speed as a TR4. > S7 should be faster but not always they are. > I never met a Ginetta in a race. > The Porsches 911S and TS are hard to beat. > > I bet that the bigger rims are an advantage but they might require to do > changes to the body work. > Fender flares aren't allowed in Europe. > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Bob Adams > Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Juli 2010 00:25 > An: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP > > There is a discernible difference between a 6" and 7" rim on a 205 series > tire. Any good driver (it's pretty common knowledge amongst the R-DOT > SCCA > crowd) who has done testing will tell you this. However, a 7" rim would > help to make the TR4 more competitive against the Porshe 356's , the Kumho > / Toyo shod MGBs and those pesky 1000lb Super 7's and Ginetta's Jack W> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jul 16 19:44:14 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:44:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com><1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> Message-ID: Hi Gang...In the old days, TR4s were DP(got moved up from EP)..and 356 Porsches stayed in EP...In DP ..lets not forget the Jaguar XK 120.....On a track like Vacaville, which ....had a long straight...The Jags dominated....On a twisty course..The Lotus Super 7 was hard to beat....The TR4 was a car that could 'Do It All'(not beat the Jag down the straight though) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP > Hmm, when ever was a TR4 slower than a 356? > In Europe they are TR food. > MGS are about the same speed as a TR4. > S7 should be faster but not always they are. > I never met a Ginetta in a race. > The Porsches 911S and TS are hard to beat. > > I bet that the bigger rims are an advantage but they might require to do > changes to the body work. > Fender flares aren't allowed in Europe. > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Bob Adams > Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Juli 2010 00:25 > An: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP > > There is a discernible difference between a 6" and 7" rim on a 205 series > tire. Any good driver (it's pretty common knowledge amongst the R-DOT > SCCA > crowd) who has done testing will tell you this. However, a 7" rim would > help to make the TR4 more competitive against the Porshe 356's , the Kumho > / Toyo shod MGBs and those pesky 1000lb Super 7's and Ginetta's Jack W> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From stlnyc at msn.com Fri Jul 16 20:17:57 2010 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:17:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Message-ID: I would also like to suggest High Plains Raceway when the race is due to be in the middle part of the country again. RMVR used to put on the Steamboat street race which drew entrants from across the country, so they're used to differences in club rules. HPR is also the only (as far as I know) track that was built,maintained & managed by & for amatuer racers. It's a 2.5 mile, 15 corner track with 60' of elevation changes that offers enough technical challenges and high speed straights to keep everybody grinning (or swearing!). If you'd like, check it out on the website - www.highplainsraceway.com . Fred Hodgson From adams910 at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 20:41:21 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:41:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> Message-ID: For those who don't know me, I crew on Dick Stockton's car, and he runs up front at the BIG SVRA events. I honestly believe you're not going to find faster vintage fields than the Gold Cup, KIC, and Watkins Glen Vintage GP. For lap time comparisons he's turning 2.20's at Watkins Glen and the rest of the front runners 2.20's - high 2.18 range. For reference, in the Triumph race in '08, the TR250K did a 2.19.4 and Kreger did a 2.19.1. So I'm talking some VERY FAST 4cyl cars. (Skirmant's 356, Mckenzie's MGB (ex Dave Headley car for the RMVR people), Tillinger's Datsun, and some Super 7's). Since we're talking Porsche 356's here are some typical times for comparison from Vic Skirmants' Porsche 356 ( without a doubt, the best 356 in the country): 2:18's at VIR 1:42's Mid Ohio (Pro) , 1:44's (club (what everyone ran in 2002)) 2:44's at Road America 1:44's at Road Atlanta 2:19's at Watkins Glen This isn't about the Porsche's though. They're great cars, very well prepared, and driven in the upper Midwest and in the Northeast. I'm just proposing for the SVRA *3CP* cars to be allowed a 7" rim. That's all. From billb at bnj.com Fri Jul 16 22:57:13 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 21:57:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> Message-ID: <758F174B-C2FD-41AC-98EF-121B5F53F6ED@bnj.com> I eat them for breakfast, but that's the benefit of having a special. On Jul 16, 2010, at 5:35 PM, Bob Adams wrote: > Wider track, 4 wheel disk brakes, better aero, 300lbs lighter, 4 wheel > independent suspension and a killer gear box set up. A really healthy TR can > run the best ones down the straightaways pretty good, and a really good > driver can outbrake them, but they come off the corners like a rocket ship. > A track with tight corners and long straightaways would suit the TR well, > but a track like Watkins Glen with a lot of fast sweepers, the TR is close, > but a tick behind. > > I'm willing to bet the Porshe 356's (the cars out of Skirmant's shop and > Ecurie Enterprises) over here are much more developed and better driven than > you guys have over there. Same with the MGB's (1850lbs and the best ones are > making around 190bhp on SU's). > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sat Jul 17 08:45:10 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 08:45:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FoT Wheels - Kastner Cup shirts. Message-ID: <1BA4B7C5-FFD2-42CE-99BA-67BA397E480B@earthlink.net> Here are the links for your viewing pleasure [Thanks Tony]. T-shirt front - http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/Picture%201.png Back - http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/KastnerBackUse.jpg Sizes S - XL are $12.50 ea. + $1.25 for 2X-5X 100% cotton. White tee only. Be sure to specify the size[s] with your payment. Payment via PayPal to: lunkercars at earthlink.net Send checks to: Lunkercars 323-K Claremont Ave NW Albuquerque NM If paying by check, please also send me a e-mail so I know the numbers. I would like to have this wrapped-up and the order in by Monday August 2nd. So get those orders commin' soon. There will likely NOT be any extras available at the track. No shipping is available at this time. Unless someone [who will be at the event to receive them] wants to volunteer to send them out. And don't get your knickers in a twist - "spoof" &/or "satire" are exempt from infringement laws and I'm pretty sure Sam doesn't mind. See ya' in Topeka, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From adams910 at gmail.com Sat Jul 17 11:45:49 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 13:45:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: <758F174B-C2FD-41AC-98EF-121B5F53F6ED@bnj.com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> <758F174B-C2FD-41AC-98EF-121B5F53F6ED@bnj.com> Message-ID: Sorry Bill, but looking at past results, Skirmants has about 1-3 seconds a lap on you everywhere. From billb at bnj.com Sat Jul 17 13:33:44 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 12:33:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> <758F174B-C2FD-41AC-98EF-121B5F53F6ED@bnj.com> Message-ID: He doesn't count. That thing is absurdly fast. On Jul 17, 2010, at 10:45 AM, Bob Adams wrote: > Sorry Bill, but looking at past results, Skirmants has about 1-3 seconds a lap on you everywhere. From gasket.works at gte.net Sat Jul 17 14:53:59 2010 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 20:53:59 +0000 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Message-ID: <2064089872-1279400037-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2034070041-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> That mutant 356 of skirmantz is just that. It may look like a bug but...... below that skin is a space/time warp. Not to take anything away from driving skill... But HP lives and in the end it wins. M ------Original Message------ From: Bill Babcock Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: Bob Adams Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Sent: Jul 17, 2010 12:33 PM He doesn't count. That thing is absurdly fast. On Jul 17, 2010, at 10:45 AM, Bob Adams wrote: > Sorry Bill, but looking at past results, Skirmants has about 1-3 seconds a lap on you everywhere. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jul 17 15:26:29 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:26:29 +0200 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> Message-ID: <000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com> Okay, these cars seem to be tuned up than the ones over here. I never had any trouble with 356 ones. MGBs in Europe do have about 170 hp, as they have to run 100 octane fuel. Same as my TR4. A TR6 do a lot more power. Maybe cars from England do have more power as the English cars are very fast each time they appear. Von: Bob Adams [mailto:adams910 at gmail.com] Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Juli 2010 02:35 An: MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Wider track, 4 wheel disk brakes, better aero, 300lbs lighter, 4 wheel independent suspension and a killer gear box set up. A really healthy TR can run the best ones down the straightaways pretty good, and a really good driver can outbrake them, but they come off the corners like a rocket ship. A track with tight corners and long straightaways would suit the TR well, but a track like Watkins Glen with a lot of fast sweepers, the TR is close, but a tick behind. I'm willing to bet the Porshe 356's (the cars out of Skirmant's shop and Ecurie Enterprises) over here are much more developed and better driven than you guys have over there. Same with the MGB's (1850lbs and the best ones are making around 190bhp on SU's). From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat Jul 17 16:02:30 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 15:02:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs In-Reply-To: <000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> <000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com> Message-ID: They run 4 wheel discs, they're super light and build hot engines. No tractor parts. Bill Dentinger, do you still have those cement 356 doorstops? ~Steve From adams910 at gmail.com Sat Jul 17 16:36:24 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:36:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: <2064089872-1279400037-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2034070041-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <2064089872-1279400037-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2034070041-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: It's not hp that's doing it for the fast 356's. We run against those guys regularly. It's all the in chassis. Which is why 7" rims will help the the TR4 in SVRA 3CP ;) ...... Just sayin... From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Sat Jul 17 17:40:02 2010 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 19:40:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rainex or wipers In-Reply-To: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> References: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CE@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Hi Amici, Its been awhile since I have been on the list. (in fact I see I am now 10,360 emails behind from the MG gang, FOT, and the lunatics in the Lotus Europa yahoo group that email every time they put an ounce of gas in the car. (hope I am not offending anyone :) )) The query of the day is: I am rebuilding a GT6 and am welding up holes all over the old girl. Now I have come to the wiper holes below the windscreen, and I wonder is it better to carry the weight of the wipers and motor or use Rainex and no wipers and no weight (and of course a nice clean deck look)? I also plan to use a lexan windscreen to help keep the weight off the front heavy nose too. Thank you for your thoughts Bill B 69 GT6+ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billbartlett at wingnutracing.com From susank at 141.com Sat Jul 17 18:18:40 2010 From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 20:18:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rainex or wipers In-Reply-To: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CE@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> References: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CE@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: <4C424860.9050900@141.com> Hi Bill! If this will be a street car and you decide on a glass windshield, I would say keep the wipers. There are situations where you are driving slowly in light rain, it may mist heavily or cars in front of you may throw up dirty water from the road where Rain-X will not work. You will be very happy for wipers, then. I do not know how Rain-X interacts with Lexan. It is made for glass, and I don't think it would work so well (it is designed to fill the "pores" in the glass with small molecules). Just my 47.7 cents (adjusted for inflation). Keep Triumphing, Susan :) On 7/17/2010 7:40 PM, Bill Bartlett wrote: > Hi Amici, > Its been awhile since I have been on the list. (in fact I see I am now 10,360 > emails behind from the MG gang, FOT, and the lunatics in the Lotus Europa > yahoo group that email every time they put an ounce of gas in the car. (hope > I am not offending anyone :) )) > The query of the day is: I am rebuilding a GT6 and am welding up holes all > over the old girl. Now I have come to the wiper holes below the windscreen, > and I wonder is it better to carry the weight of the wipers and motor or use > Rainex and no wipers and no weight (and of course a nice clean deck look)? > I also plan to use a lexan windscreen to help keep the weight off the front > heavy nose too. > Thank you for your thoughts > Bill B > 69 GT6+ > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billbartlett at wingnutracing.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.839 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3011 - Release Date: 07/17/10 02:35:00 > > -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sat Jul 17 18:19:50 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:19:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shirt up-date Message-ID: <1078C080-451A-4BEE-82F8-D272D9FAAF9E@earthlink.net> Barry Munson has stepped up to do shipping. We'll have a price Monday. I neglected to include my zip for checks - 87107 And yes, the shirts will be a high quality silk-screen, not a cheapo heat transfer. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sat Jul 17 18:47:26 2010 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 20:47:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Shirt up-date In-Reply-To: <1078C080-451A-4BEE-82F8-D272D9FAAF9E@earthlink.net> References: <1078C080-451A-4BEE-82F8-D272D9FAAF9E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I was hoping for shipping. I will definitely order one. I will wait till you get back with us with a price Chris Sent from my IPhone On Jul 17, 2010, at 8:19 PM, "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" wrote: > Barry Munson has stepped up to do shipping. We'll have a price Monday. > I neglected to include my zip for checks - 87107 > And yes, the shirts will be a high quality silk-screen, not a cheapo heat transfer. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 17 19:19:15 2010 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> <000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com> Message-ID: <304708.71153.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Keep in mind that Vic has had over 40 years to perfect those Porsches. I have pictures of him back in '69 and '70 at Waterford, and he was fast then. ________________________________ From: Steven Belfer To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 6:02:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs They run 4 wheel discs, they're super light and build hot engines. No tractor parts. Bill Dentinger, do you still have those cement 356 doorstops? ~Steve _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Sat Jul 17 19:52:07 2010 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:52:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rainex or wipers In-Reply-To: <4C424860.9050900@141.com> References: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CE@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> <4C424860.9050900@141.com> Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CF@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Hi Susan It is a race car; Group 3 SVRA. I will check on the lexan/rainex compatibility Thank you Bill -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Susan Kahler Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:19 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Rainex or wipers Hi Bill! If this will be a street car and you decide on a glass windshield, I would say keep the wipers. There are situations where you are driving slowly in light rain, it may mist heavily or cars in front of you may throw up dirty water from the road where Rain-X will not work. You will be very happy for wipers, then. I do not know how Rain-X interacts with Lexan. It is made for glass, and I don't think it would work so well (it is designed to fill the "pores" in the glass with small molecules). Just my 47.7 cents (adjusted for inflation). Keep Triumphing, Susan :) On 7/17/2010 7:40 PM, Bill Bartlett wrote: > Hi Amici, > Its been awhile since I have been on the list. (in fact I see I am now 10,360 > emails behind from the MG gang, FOT, and the lunatics in the Lotus Europa > yahoo group that email every time they put an ounce of gas in the car. (hope > I am not offending anyone :) )) > The query of the day is: I am rebuilding a GT6 and am welding up holes all > over the old girl. Now I have come to the wiper holes below the windscreen, > and I wonder is it better to carry the weight of the wipers and motor or use > Rainex and no wipers and no weight (and of course a nice clean deck look)? > I also plan to use a lexan windscreen to help keep the weight off the front > heavy nose too. > Thank you for your thoughts > Bill B > 69 GT6+ > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billbartlett at wingnutracing.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.839 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3011 - Release Date: 07/17/10 02:35:00 > > -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billbartlett at wingnutracing.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sat Jul 17 20:58:49 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg Lunker Hilyer) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 20:58:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Rainex or wipers In-Reply-To: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CF@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> References: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CE@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> <4C424860.9050900@141.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CF@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: Rain-X rocks. I use it on everything,,, windscreen, visor and even my eye glasses in the extreme [Rain-X "Fog-X" is also great]. Compatible with all. If you want to use Lexan and wipers make sure you get the new scratch resistant stuff - it will actually deal with wipers much better than the original. When covering things like the wiper holes I always ask myself "would anyone want to ever put this car back on the street again?" Why not get rid of the hardware and just put rubber plugs in the holes. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jul 17, 2010, at 7:52 PM, Bill Bartlett wrote: > Hi Susan > It is a race car; Group 3 SVRA. I will check on the lexan/rainex > compatibility > Thank you > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Susan Kahler > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:19 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Rainex or wipers > > Hi Bill! > > If this will be a street car and you decide on a glass windshield, I > would say keep the wipers. There are situations where you are driving > slowly in light rain, it may mist heavily or cars in front of you may > throw up dirty water from the road where Rain-X will not work. You > will > be very happy for wipers, then. > > I do not know how Rain-X interacts with Lexan. It is made for > glass, and > I don't think it would work so well (it is designed to fill the > "pores" > in the glass with small molecules). > > Just my 47.7 cents (adjusted for inflation). > > Keep Triumphing, > Susan :) > > > On 7/17/2010 7:40 PM, Bill Bartlett wrote: >> Hi Amici, >> Its been awhile since I have been on the list. (in fact I see I am >> now > 10,360 >> emails behind from the MG gang, FOT, and the lunatics in the Lotus >> Europa >> yahoo group that email every time they put an ounce of gas in the >> car. > (hope >> I am not offending anyone :) )) >> The query of the day is: I am rebuilding a GT6 and am welding up >> holes all >> over the old girl. Now I have come to the wiper holes below the > windscreen, >> and I wonder is it better to carry the weight of the wipers and >> motor or > use >> Rainex and no wipers and no weight (and of course a nice clean >> deck look)? >> I also plan to use a lexan windscreen to help keep the weight off >> the front >> heavy nose too. >> Thank you for your thoughts >> Bill B >> 69 GT6+ >> >> >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> billbartlett at wingnutracing.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> spitfiresuz at 141.com >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.839 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3011 - Release Date: >> 07/17/10 > 02:35:00 >> >> > > -- > I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > billbartlett at wingnutracing.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From adams910 at gmail.com Sat Jul 17 21:40:47 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:40:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs In-Reply-To: <304708.71153.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> <000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com> <304708.71153.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There are no complaints about Vic's efforts and driving ability, as they are top notch. His history speaks for itself. He's the Group 3 bench mark, so his times are what everyone should shoot for. Just looking to get the TR's that compete in the same class just a little something more to help level the playing field just a little bit. From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Jul 18 11:08:59 2010 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:08:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs In-Reply-To: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com><1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41><000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com><000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com><304708.71153.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com><1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41><000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com><000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com><304708.71153.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Leveling the playing field" is what SCCA has tried to do for years in the "production" classes. We all can pretty much see the mess that has become. Not every car type can be competitive. It's just a simple fact. Nor can there be a class for every make, so that they can all be winners. The Porsche 356 is a very sophisticated car compared to our British locomotives. But then, they did cost twice as much when new. And they are not perfect by any means. They are fairly RPM limited (about 5800 according to Vic) because of their weak cranks and fragile engine cases. Also, they are tricky to drive on the limit because of their rear engine/swing axle rear suspension set up. They take a masterful set up, and a delicate hand to go fast in. Going fast on the track, no matter the car, is an alchemy of the driver and the builder playing to the strengths of the design that they have, and minimizing as much as possible the weaknesses of that design, within the grey edges of the rule book. We all play by the same rules. Some cars are just better platforms than others. It has always been this way and always will. Too much rules tweaking to gain advantage will lead to the death of the sport. It has very nearly killed SCCA production car racing. Remember folks, we are not racing for a National Championship in vintage racing. All we get is the satisfaction of competing, and if we are lucky, and have prepared well, a pot metal car on a stick at the end of the weekend. It's about being here. That is the true reward. Terry Stetler From adams910 at gmail.com Sun Jul 18 13:32:51 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:32:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> <000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com> <304708.71153.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I do agree, but I'm talking about a change that will effect the 3CP cars only. I only think there are two or three TR4's in that class as everyone else is running 3DP. This has nothing to do with those cars. As far as I know, putting webers on a a TR4 produces a class of car that was never in production racing, it was however in D-Modified, where I'm sure the rules were a little more liberal (wider wheels and minimum weight rules? I hope Kas chimes in). So now my questions becomes, can we prepare to the D-Modified rule set and still be eligible for 3CP? For the "in the spirit" folk, it' would be closer to fact than bolting webers on a DP car and calling it a "CP" car. "Remember folks, we are not racing for a National Championship in vintage racing. All we get is the satisfaction of competing, and if we are lucky, and have prepared well, a pot metal car on a stick at the end of the weekend." It is however still racing. If no one thinks the front runners aren't testing, constantly tweaking, showing up with the best cars within the rule set, and driving them at 10/10's, then they are mistaken. . A lot of those guys were front runners in SCCA and IMSA, and that's the ONLY way they know how to go racing. Just like playing games in gym class... somebody has to win. From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Sun Jul 18 13:54:59 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:54:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> <000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com> <304708.71153.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I sent a message last year stating that Kas had given me a copy of the homologation papers for the TR4 and that I could send PDF copies to anyone that wanted them. They state that 45 DCOE Webers are homologated for use in the USA. On Jul 18, 2010 3:48 PM, "Bob Adams" wrote: I do agree, but I'm talking about a change that will effect the 3CP cars only. I only think there are two or three TR4's in that class as everyone else is running 3DP. This has nothing to do with those cars. As far as I know, putting webers on a a TR4 produces a class of car that was never in production racing, it was however in D-Modified, where I'm sure the rules were a little more liberal (wider wheels and minimum weight rules? I hope Kas chimes in). So now my questions becomes, can we prepare to the D-Modified rule set and still be eligible for 3CP? For the "in the spirit" folk, it' would be closer to fact than bolting webers on a DP car and calling it a "CP" car. "Remember folks, we are not racing for a National Championship in vintage racing. All we get is the... It is however still racing. If no one thinks the front runners aren't testing, constantly tweaking, showing up with the best cars within the rule set, and driving them at 10/10's, then they are mistaken. . A lot of those guys were front runners in SCCA and IMSA, and that's the ONLY way they know how to go racing. Just like playing games in gym class... somebody has to win. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donat... From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 18 14:04:27 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 22:04:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com><1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41><000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com><000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com><304708.71153.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000a01cb26b4$6e4e11d0$4aea3570$@com> I'm running in the Triumph Competition. The Triumph Competition is free for British Sports cars and maybe touring cars too. We have our own rules besides the Fia historic rules. We are allowed to be 10% lighter for the <3.0 liter cars than the homologation say. The >3.0 liter cars have to maintain their stock carburetion system. With these rules we equalize most of the cars to have close racing. To keep cost low we are allowed to run plastic body parts as long they look like stock. We can run 5" more track width. Brakes has to be stock with exception for the TR7/8 cars which have dangerous small brakes. We are allowed to run DOT tires up to 205/60-15 width. We normally don't deal with Porsche cars and other not British cars, but there are big races were we are part from and then we are racing against Porsche, BMW, and what else is on the track. A 356 never was any fast enough to pass me....but maybe there are different 356 models and the cars I meet are of the slower ones. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Terry Stetler Gesendet: Sonntag, 18. Juli 2010 19:09 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs "Leveling the playing field" is what SCCA has tried to do for years in the "production" classes. We all can pretty much see the mess that has become. Not every car type can be competitive. It's just a simple fact. Nor can there be a class for every make, so that they can all be winners. The Porsche 356 is a very sophisticated car compared to our British locomotives. But then, they did cost twice as much when new. And they are not perfect by any means. They are fairly RPM limited (about 5800 according to Vic) because of their weak cranks and fragile engine cases. Also, they are tricky to drive on the limit because of their rear engine/swing axle rear suspension set up. They take a masterful set up, and a delicate hand to go fast in. Going fast on the track, no matter the car, is an alchemy of the driver and the builder playing to the strengths of the design that they have, and minimizing as much as possible the weaknesses of that design, within the grey edges of the rule book. We all play by the same rules. Some cars are just better platforms than others. It has always been this way and always will. Too much rules tweaking to gain advantage will lead to the death of the sport. It has very nearly killed SCCA production car racing. Remember folks, we are not racing for a National Championship in vintage racing. All we get is the satisfaction of competing, and if we are lucky, and have prepared well, a pot metal car on a stick at the end of the weekend. It's about being here. That is the true reward. Terry Stetler _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jul 19 08:33:22 2010 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 09:33:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing Message-ID: Greetings All. I Took my new GT6 Racecar out for the first time this weekend. It was the cars first racing outing in 15 years. I had fellow FOT member Scott Barr as my instructor which was totally awesome. between him, my dad and John Reed... my crew of three had over 50 years of GT6 racing experience behind them and it really showed. We took a car that had not seen a track in 15 years and were right there racing with porches, Miatas and ahead many very fast cars. We made all but one of the 8 sessions of a very intense MCSCC Drivers School and completed 49 high speed laps. In one day of racing we overcame a water leak, brake replacement, oil leak, a throttle peddle stuck behind the tunnel cover, and normal race prep. On the last session the rear end got so hot it melted all the bushings that hold it in place... the bushings were actually liquefied and dripping to the ground when I got back to the paddock... which prevented us from racing again on Sunday. I'll be replacing the rear end tonight so we can go racing this weekend at Grattan. I don't post much but FOT list and archive has been a very valuable resource in getting this car back on the track... Thanks to ALL of FOT for being there with you knowledge and insight. This weekend was a big victory for me and FOT. We are on the road to the Kastner Cup. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+ From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Jul 19 08:43:20 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:43:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing Message-ID: <9a22a.5bae3773.3975be88@aol.com> Awesome news Jason! Congrats! Replace all that rubber with aluminum when putting the new diff in... From jerrybarr at charter.net Mon Jul 19 08:45:59 2010 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 09:45:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am looking forward to racing with you at Midwestern Council events and maybe some VSCDA events too. It will be great having another GT6 out there. Jerry Barr #59 Red 1968 GT6 On Jul 19, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Greetings All. > I Took my new GT6 Racecar out for the first time this weekend. It was the > cars first racing outing in 15 years. I had fellow FOT member Scott Barr as > my instructor which was totally awesome. between him, my dad and John > Reed... my crew of three had over 50 years of GT6 racing experience behind > them and it really showed. We took a car that had not seen a track in 15 > years and were right there racing with porches, Miatas and ahead many very > fast cars. We made all but one of the 8 sessions of a very intense MCSCC > Drivers School and completed 49 high speed laps. In one day of racing > we overcame a water leak, brake replacement, oil leak, a throttle > peddle stuck behind the tunnel cover, and normal race prep. On the last > session the rear end got so hot it melted all the bushings that hold it in > place... the bushings were actually liquefied and dripping to the ground > when I got back to the paddock... which prevented us from racing again on > Sunday. I'll be replacing the rear end tonight so we can go racing this > weekend at Grattan. I don't post much but FOT list and archive has been a > very valuable resource in getting this car back on the track... Thanks to > ALL of FOT for being there with you knowledge and insight. This weekend was > a big victory for me and FOT. We are on the road to the Kastner Cup. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 19 09:01:37 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:01:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA Message-ID: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> FOT, Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! FOT at Leguna Seca? If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would you RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with negotiations. YES or NO is all the answer we need. Storied Track with great history. Non-Festival event with track time. Good time of the year for a lot of folks. Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jul 19 09:02:35 2010 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:02:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FCE5@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> It should be said that Jason did a great job in the school. It's a very high pressure, busy day and he hung in there, completing a very high percentage of the laps even with a car that was having a few teething problems. And he's pretty fast, too, right out of the box :-) He was out there ahead of some cars which should have been quite a lot faster. But then, that's the heritage of Team Zippy. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 9:33 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing Greetings All. I Took my new GT6 Racecar out for the first time this weekend. It was the cars first racing outing in 15 years. I had fellow FOT member Scott Barr as my instructor which was totally awesome. between him, my dad and John Reed... my crew of three had over 50 years of GT6 racing experience behind them and it really showed. We took a car that had not seen a track in 15 years and were right there racing with porches, Miatas and ahead many very fast cars. We made all but one of the 8 sessions of a very intense MCSCC Drivers School and completed 49 high speed laps. In one day of racing we overcame a water leak, brake replacement, oil leak, a throttle peddle stuck behind the tunnel cover, and normal race prep. On the last session the rear end got so hot it melted all the bushings that hold it in place... the bushings were actually liquefied and dripping to the ground when I got back to the paddock... which prevented us from racing again on Sunday. I'll be replacing the rear end tonight so we can go racing this weekend at Grattan. I don't post much but FOT list and archive has been a very valuable resource in getting this car back on the track... Thanks to ALL of FOT for being there with you knowledge and insight. This weekend was a big victory for me and FOT. We are on the road to the Kastner Cup. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From billb at bnj.com Mon Jul 19 09:20:00 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:20:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9D37D444-F949-4510-9204-222D9537F20E@bnj.com> Absolutely. Yes. On Jul 19, 2010, at 8:01 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT, > > Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! > > FOT at Leguna Seca? > > If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would you > > RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? > > If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with > negotiations. > > YES or NO is all the answer we need. > > Storied Track with great history. > Non-Festival event with track time. > Good time of the year for a lot of folks. > Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Jul 19 09:19:51 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:19:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing Message-ID: <6f11c.66e7f7e8.3975c717@aol.com> In a message dated 07/19/2010 10:16:38 AM Central Daylight Time, sbarr at McCarty-Law.com writes: > But then, > that's the heritage of Team Zippy. > I can bare witness to that! TEAM ZIPPY go fast! Bill Dentinger From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jul 19 09:28:23 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:28:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA References: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I would go...Racer Bud..spitfire #21 > FOT, > > Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! > > FOT at Leguna Seca? > > If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would > you > > RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? > > If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with > negotiations. > > YES or NO is all the answer we need. > > Storied Track with great history. > Non-Festival event with track time. > Good time of the year for a lot of folks. > Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Jul 19 09:31:53 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:31:53 EDT Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA Message-ID: <7e0e1.4d4e2a69.3975c9e9@aol.com> Yes if they let us. I understand their rules are rather restrictive From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Jul 19 10:13:58 2010 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:13:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000801cb275d$65afc150$310f43f0$@com> Congratulations Jason! Having built our TR4 I know how much work you had to do! And, what a great help and resource the FOT is. Also, kudos on the MCSCC driving school completion. I did that one also, and it is intense!! Way to go:) Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 9:33 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing Greetings All. I Took my new GT6 Racecar out for the first time this weekend. It was the cars first racing outing in 15 years. I had fellow FOT member Scott Barr as my instructor which was totally awesome. between him, my dad and John Reed... my crew of three had over 50 years of GT6 racing experience behind them and it really showed. We took a car that had not seen a track in 15 years and were right there racing with porches, Miatas and ahead many very fast cars. We made all but one of the 8 sessions of a very intense MCSCC Drivers School and completed 49 high speed laps. In one day of racing we overcame a water leak, brake replacement, oil leak, a throttle peddle stuck behind the tunnel cover, and normal race prep. On the last session the rear end got so hot it melted all the bushings that hold it in place... the bushings were actually liquefied and dripping to the ground when I got back to the paddock... which prevented us from racing again on Sunday. I'll be replacing the rear end tonight so we can go racing this weekend at Grattan. I don't post much but FOT list and archive has been a very valuable resource in getting this car back on the track... Thanks to ALL of FOT for being there with you knowledge and insight. This weekend was a big victory for me and FOT. We are on the road to the Kastner Cup. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jul 19 10:34:15 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:34:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20100719163334.B9F1318788B@autox.team.net> I would probably go - it's my best chance to do Laguna, and that's on my bucket list. I'm curious about the noise regs (I understand they're restrictive, and my car bumps 105 db), and of course the car prep rules. - Tony Drews At 10:01 AM 7/19/2010, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >FOT, > >Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! > >FOT at Leguna Seca? > >If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would you > >RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? > >If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with >negotiations. > >YES or NO is all the answer we need. > >Storied Track with great history. >Non-Festival event with track time. >Good time of the year for a lot of folks. >Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From mlbruner53 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 19 10:42:20 2010 From: mlbruner53 at yahoo.com (Michael Bruner) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 09:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <225117.34634.qm@web54106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yes, if they let our VARA cars run. Mike Bruner TR4A - #612 Blacksmith Racing --- On Mon, 7/19/10, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: From: n197tr4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 8:01 AM FOT, Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! FOT at Leguna Seca? If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would you RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with negotiations. YES or NO is all the answer we need. Storied Track with great history. Non-Festival event with track time. Good time of the year for a lot of folks. Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlbruner53 at yahoo.com From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Mon Jul 19 11:43:10 2010 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA Message-ID: <17301267.1279561390883.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I could bring 3 of my own Spitfire race cars. We were there 2 weeks ago sound was a problem for one of my cars. It,s hard to get below 92 DBs Joe -----Original Message----- >From: n197tr4 at cs.com >Sent: Jul 19, 2010 8:01 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA > >FOT, > >Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! > >FOT at Leguna Seca? > >If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would you > >RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? > >If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with >negotiations. > >YES or NO is all the answer we need. > >Storied Track with great history. >Non-Festival event with track time. >Good time of the year for a lot of folks. >Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsiam1 at earthlink.net > > Chequered Flag Racing .net Joseph P. Siam 9833 Deering Ave unit I Chatsworth Ca 91311 818 350 6222 From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Mon Jul 19 11:54:47 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:54:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: <17301267.1279561390883.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <17301267.1279561390883.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: This would be an unrestricted sound event. On Jul 19, 2010 1:48 PM, "Joseph Siam" wrote: I could bring 3 of my own Spitfire race cars. We were there 2 weeks ago sound was a problem for one of my cars. It,s hard to get below 92 DBs Joe -----Original Message----- >From: n197tr4 at cs.com >Sent: Jul 19, 2010 8:01 AM >To: fot at autox.team.n... >FOT, > >Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! > >FOT at Leguna Seca? > >If you could plan ... >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsiam1 at earthlink.net > > Chequered Flag Racing .net Joseph P. Siam 9833 Deering Ave unit I Chatsworth Ca 91311 818 350 6222 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donat... From bownes at seiri.com Mon Jul 19 11:56:39 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:56:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: <17301267.1279561390883.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <17301267.1279561390883.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Oooh! Can I drive one? ;) Laguna would be my 1st west coast choice. On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Joseph Siam wrote: > I could bring 3 of my own Spitfire race cars. We were there 2 weeks ago > sound was a problem for one of my cars. It,s hard to get below 92 DBs Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: n197tr4 at cs.com > >Sent: Jul 19, 2010 8:01 AM > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA > > > >FOT, > > > >Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! > > > >FOT at Leguna Seca? > > > >If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would > you > > > >RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? > > > >If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with > >negotiations. > > > >YES or NO is all the answer we need. > > > >Storied Track with great history. > >Non-Festival event with track time. > >Good time of the year for a lot of folks. > >Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsiam1 at earthlink.net > > > > > > > Chequered Flag Racing .net > Joseph P. Siam > 9833 Deering Ave unit I > Chatsworth Ca 91311 > 818 350 6222 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From markvaden at gmail.com Mon Jul 19 12:47:00 2010 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:47:00 -1000 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: References: <17301267.1279561390883.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <84FF96E5-019B-4EF1-BBB5-112F61B44C0F@gmail.com> Yes if they will let my car run. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2010, at 7:54 AM, John Nikas wrote: > This would be an unrestricted sound event. > > On Jul 19, 2010 1:48 PM, "Joseph Siam" wrote: > > I could bring 3 of my own Spitfire race cars. We were there 2 weeks ago > sound was a problem for one of my cars. It,s hard to get below 92 DBs Joe > > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >> Sent: Jul 19, 2010 8:01 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.n... > >> FOT, >> >> Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! >> >> FOT at Leguna Seca? >> >> If you could plan ... >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsiam1 at earthlink.net >> >> > > > Chequered Flag Racing .net > Joseph P. Siam > 9833 Deering Ave unit I > Chatsworth Ca 91311 > 818 350 6222 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donat... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/markvaden at gmail.com From mlcooknj at msn.com Mon Jul 19 15:37:34 2010 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:37:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2012 In-Reply-To: <1216.189.154.17.161.1279245792.squirrel@189.154.17.161> References: <1216.189.154.17.161.1279245792.squirrel@189.154.17.161> Message-ID: It's entirely possible that Triumphs were raced at private circuits like Briarcliff Manor, etc., before WWII. I don't have any definite info on that. I will also look in my TSOA newsletter archives. I know for a fact that TR2s were being raced in 1954/55 in SCCA events at places like Akron and Lockbourne AFB in Ohio because I was there. Jarrard Distributors in Pensacola ran TRs at Sebring in 56, I believe and there were official teams in '57 and later. On the west coast, Cal Sales started sponsoring race entries very early in their distributorship. I remember Alan Bethell (president of Triumph over here in the late 50s and early 60s) telling me about running a couple of races out west when he was still the regional sales rep which would have been 1954-55. Mike Cook > Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 21:03:12 -0500 > From: jgambony at gcecisp.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2012 > > For 2012 I'll pose the question to the historians on the list (I'm away > from my reference library for the week)... > > Where was the first race for a Standard-Triumph in the US? > > Just a thought. > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > > > FOT list > > Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in this > madness. > > Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. > > Infineon & Mosport > > But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning body > have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. > > Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are other > obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. > > Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted area > for the next Kastner Cup. > > Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the 2012 > Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in Competition. > > As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be addressed > because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that one off. You dont > think so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an > answer. > They want to make it a big and memorable event. > > THANK YOU VERY MUCH. > > Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on > this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE > > Joe A > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From EDENMA at aol.com Mon Jul 19 18:42:24 2010 From: EDENMA at aol.com (EDENMA at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 20:42:24 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 Carrillo Rod Needed Message-ID: Amici: Due to an unfortunate engine failure at our first outing this year, I find myself in need of one or more serviceable TR4 Carrillo rods in order to get the engine back together in time for Topeka. Anyone who may have one or more sitting in their stash, please contact me off list. Cheers! Mark 62 DP TR4 #357 64 GP Spitfire #42 From koblinger at verizon.net Mon Jul 19 21:10:25 2010 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 20:10:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2012 In-Reply-To: References: <1216.189.154.17.161.1279245792.squirrel@189.154.17.161> Message-ID: <4C4513A1.2050002@verizon.net> I'm pretty sure the first TR2s showed up at West Coast races in the spring of '54. I'll have to have a look through my old programs to see if I can pin it down. There were TR2s in the US in late '53 so it's possible one competed in late '53. Kurt O. michael cook wrote: > It's entirely possible that Triumphs were raced at private circuits like > Briarcliff Manor, etc., before WWII. I don't have any definite info on that. I > will also look in my TSOA newsletter archives. > > > > I know for a fact that TR2s were being raced in 1954/55 in SCCA events at > places like Akron and Lockbourne AFB in Ohio because I was there. Jarrard > Distributors in Pensacola ran TRs at Sebring in 56, I believe and there were > official teams in '57 and later. > > > > On the west coast, Cal Sales started sponsoring race entries very early in > their distributorship. I remember Alan Bethell (president of Triumph over here > in the late 50s and early 60s) telling me about running a couple of races out > west when he was still the regional sales rep which would have been 1954-55. > > > > Mike Cook > > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 21:03:12 -0500 >> From: jgambony at gcecisp.com >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2012 >> >> For 2012 I'll pose the question to the historians on the list (I'm away >> from my reference library for the week)... >> >> Where was the first race for a Standard-Triumph in the US? >> >> Just a thought. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Jim >> Dallas >> >> >> >> FOT list >> >> Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in this >> madness. >> >> Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. >> >> Infineon & Mosport >> >> But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning body >> have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. >> >> Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are other >> obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. >> >> Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted area >> for the next Kastner Cup. >> >> Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the 2012 >> Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in Competition. >> >> As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be addressed >> because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that one off. You dont >> think so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an >> answer. >> They want to make it a big and memorable event. >> >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> >> Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on >> this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE >> >> Joe A >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/koblinger at verizon.net > > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15460) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Mon Jul 19 21:30:54 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 20:30:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: To all: Joe tells me that the voice of the people support doing the next Kastner Cup at Laguna Seca in June. I'll continue my discussions with Cris Vandagriff and firm up the details. Apparently, not all the events at Laguna Seca are sound controlled and this is not one of them. As further news becomes available either Joe or I will let you know. We will discuss this further at Kansas I'm sure. On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 8:01 AM, wrote: > FOT, > > Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! > > FOT at Leguna Seca? > > If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would > you > > RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? > > If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with > negotiations. > > YES or NO is all the answer we need. > > Storied Track with great history. > Non-Festival event with track time. > Good time of the year for a lot of folks. > Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 19 21:29:39 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:29:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park ENTRIES Guests and T-SHIRTS, AND MORE Message-ID: <8CCF5D2EB6A8C90-D88-62AF@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Entries are piling in according to reports. I am pleased to announce that the TRIUMPHS are holding up their end with entries. With so many special activities going on, it would make sense for the FOT members to join us for the joy of it, even though you may not be racing. Several ARE coming. It's really about ALL of us. We are front row center this weekend. You Triumph guys will be the stars. And VTR will be well represented with President Blake Discher and other members. BTW, Greg Hilyer has done a great job of honoring Sam Halkias' Champ Car and the FOT with a T-SHIRT. This one is a keeper and can be signed by Kas and Sam. Get yours....... You can also get your picture taken with the semi-famous bagpiper Dave Massey........................................ Joe A From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jul 19 21:40:17 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:40:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2012 In-Reply-To: References: <1216.189.154.17.161.1279245792.squirrel@189.154.17.161> Message-ID: <4C451AA1.2060807@bradakis.com> michael cook wrote: > > I know for a fact that TR2s were being raced in 1954/55 in SCCA events at > places like Akron and Lockbourne AFB in Ohio because I was there. Jarrard > Distributors in Pensacola ran TRs at Sebring in 56, I believe and there were > official teams in '57 and later. > > I'm just guessing here, I was born in '54 so have no first hand experience. I wouldn't be surprised if there was one TR2, maybe more, running at Airport #2 here in Salt Lake back in the days when Kas was roaring around the track in his MG. Back when I was the Road Race Director for the Utah Region and a significant anniversary date was coming up I starting checking into running a race again at Airport #2 - Fat Chance! I think even an act of Congress would not be sufficient to get a sports car race there again. So it goes. mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 19 21:41:52 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:41:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CCF5D4A08569F0-D88-6417@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> OUTSTANDING! Thanks John. I think we can do well by HMSA and they by us. We should represent a great draw at the gate with the west coast Triumph organizations, too. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: John Nikas To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA To all: Joe tells me that the voice of the people support doing the next Kastner Cup at Laguna Seca in June. I'll continue my discussions with Cris Vandagriff and firm up the details. Apparently, not all the events at Laguna Seca are sound controlled and this is not one of them. As further news becomes available either Joe or I will let you know. We will discuss this further at Kansas I'm sure. On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 8:01 AM, wrote: FOT, Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! FOT at Leguna Seca? If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would you RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with negotiations. YES or NO is all the answer we need. Storied Track with great history. Non-Festival event with track time. Good time of the year for a lot of folks. Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Jul 20 05:11:21 2010 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 07:11:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rainex or wipers References: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CE@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> <4C424860.9050900@141.com> Message-ID: <001201cb27fc$49984970$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all, I use something called Plexus. It's a plastic cleaner and sealer. Works great on my windshield too. I used it at work on Isolettes, where Preemies are cared for. Just ventilate the area well when done and don't inhale the fumes. The windshield washer solvent with Rainex works great too; I usually don't use my wipers in the rain after using it. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Rainex or wipers > Hi Bill! > > If this will be a street car and you decide on a glass windshield, I > would say keep the wipers. There are situations where you are driving > slowly in light rain, it may mist heavily or cars in front of you may > throw up dirty water from the road where Rain-X will not work. You will > be very happy for wipers, then. > > I do not know how Rain-X interacts with Lexan. It is made for glass, and > I don't think it would work so well (it is designed to fill the "pores" > in the glass with small molecules). > > Just my 47.7 cents (adjusted for inflation). > > Keep Triumphing, > Susan :) > > > On 7/17/2010 7:40 PM, Bill Bartlett wrote: > > Hi Amici, > > Its been awhile since I have been on the list. (in fact I see I am now 10,360 > > emails behind from the MG gang, FOT, and the lunatics in the Lotus Europa > > yahoo group that email every time they put an ounce of gas in the car. (hope > > I am not offending anyone :) )) > > The query of the day is: I am rebuilding a GT6 and am welding up holes all > > over the old girl. Now I have come to the wiper holes below the windscreen, > > and I wonder is it better to carry the weight of the wipers and motor or use > > Rainex and no wipers and no weight (and of course a nice clean deck look)? > > I also plan to use a lexan windscreen to help keep the weight off the front > > heavy nose too. > > Thank you for your thoughts > > Bill B > > 69 GT6+ > > > > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billbartlett at wingnutracing.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.839 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3011 - Release Date: 07/17/10 02:35:00 > > > > > > -- > I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin3 at verizon.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 20 06:47:32 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 08:47:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSES IN RECENT POLLING-A SUMMARY Message-ID: <8CCF620DB31F3DC-D88-9646@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Thanks! A lot of information has been gathered. Everyone's response counts. Kastner Cup 2010 HEARTLAND PARK I think we have established that 'east' and 'west' are relative terms. And that the Central States deserve to be represented. We are bringing several first timerTRIUMPH RACERS and Friends together for the Kastner Cup...and we should. And WE are the race, not just another support group to a big festival event. Kastner Cup 2011 Laguna Seca ?? Laguna Seca (HMSA) is clearly a popular choice and John Nikas has a great deal of encouragement and support. While not cast in stone, it appears very promising. There are still a couple of other choices out there, both in the west. Kastner Cup 2012 60th Anniverary of Triumphs in Competition 'EAST' ? The information collected in the 'polls' will be used to help make a selection of the ideal site for this important event. Planning is already underway. Make no mistake, this will be a big one. We should have some proposals on the table by September. Thanks, once again..... Joe A From fpspitfire at comcast.net Tue Jul 20 07:31:37 2010 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:31:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Rainex or wipers In-Reply-To: <001201cb27fc$49984970$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <737656194.268729.1279632697256.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> All, Extended use of Rain-X will cause problems with lexan...noteably it does attack the micropores and will eventually you will get little dots all over the surface where it opens them up.B RainX does not recommend their product for use with polycarbonates. As for fog...use dish soap, works amazing and no harmul effects. aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" To: "Susan Kahler" , fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 6:11:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Rainex or wipers B B Hi all, I use something called Plexus. It's a plastic cleaner and sealer. Works great on my windshield too. B B I used it at work on Isolettes, where Preemies are cared for. Just ventilate the area well when done B and don't inhale the fumes. B B The windshield washer solvent with Rainex works great too; I usually don't use my wipers in the rain after using it. B B Bill ----- Original Message ----- B B From: "Susan Kahler" B B To: B B Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:18 PM B B Subject: Re: [Fot] Rainex or wipers B B > Hi Bill! B B > B B > If this will be a street car and you decide on a glass windshield, I B B > would say keep the wipers. There are situations where you are driving B B > slowly in light rain, it may mist heavily or cars in front of you may B B > throw up dirty water from the road where Rain-X will not work. You will B B > be very happy for wipers, then. B B > B B > I do not know how Rain-X interacts with Lexan. It is made for glass, and B B > I don't think it would work so well (it is designed to fill the "pores" B B > in the glass with small molecules). B B > B B > Just my 47.7 cents (adjusted for inflation). B B > B B > Keep Triumphing, B B > Susan B B :) B B > From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Tue Jul 20 13:14:14 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:14:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T-shirt & shipping Message-ID: <0F7B5166-4DDD-42F3-8803-3C739753F4BE@earthlink.net> Hello all, Shipping for the event shirts will be $3.50. That makes S-XL $16 and 2X-5X $17.25 or pick them up at the track. Shirt front: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/Picture%201.png Shirt back: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/KastnerBackUse.jpg Sizes S - XL are $12.50 ea. + $1.25 for 2X-5X Full color silk screen on a100% cotton white tee. Be sure to specify the size[s] with your payment. Payment via PayPal to: lunkercars at earthlink.net Send checks to: Lunkercars 323-K Claremont Ave NW Albuquerque NM 87107 If paying by check, please also send me a e-mail so I know the numbers. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Jul 20 16:20:57 2010 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 22:20:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Message-ID: <1594066114.174429.1279664457053.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> For anyone who wants a look at the Laguna Seca racetrack configuration from a riders point of view, watch the MotoGP this weekend (July 25). It'll be broadcast on SpeedTV on Sunday at 2:00pm (Pacific Time). Obviously you won't want to duplicate the lean angles these riders obtain but the on-camera views will be something. Gary From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Tue Jul 20 17:35:54 2010 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:35:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates Message-ID: <412213670D9F44CEB4F3371D0EDA04AD@userb38463fba5> List, what is the collective wisdom on using the 2 locking plates when assembling a TR 4 flywheel to the crank? Use them or use Locktite instead of them. Both? A warm street engine. Thanks, JVV From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 20 20:30:31 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 22:30:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CCF693D30130C7-1248-12E85@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> This is terrific! See you in Topeka. -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jul 19, 2010 9:33 am Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing Greetings All. Took my new GT6 Racecar out for the first time this weekend. It was the ars first racing outing in 15 years. I had fellow FOT member Scott Barr as y instructor which was totally awesome. between him, my dad and John eed... my crew of three had over 50 years of GT6 racing experience behind hem and it really showed. We took a car that had not seen a track in 15 ears and were right there racing with porches, Miatas and ahead many very ast cars. We made all but one of the 8 sessions of a very intense MCSCC rivers School and completed 49 high speed laps. In one day of racing e overcame a water leak, brake replacement, oil leak, a throttle eddle stuck behind the tunnel cover, and normal race prep. On the last ession the rear end got so hot it melted all the bushings that hold it in lace... the bushings were actually liquefied and dripping to the ground hen I got back to the paddock... which prevented us from racing again on unday. I'll be replacing the rear end tonight so we can go racing this eekend at Grattan. I don't post much but FOT list and archive has been a ery valuable resource in getting this car back on the track... Thanks to LL of FOT for being there with you knowledge and insight. This weekend was big victory for me and FOT. We are on the road to the Kastner Cup. Jason Ostrowski riendly Ghost Racing GT6+ ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jul 20 22:49:39 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:49:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <412213670D9F44CEB4F3371D0EDA04AD@userb38463fba5> References: <412213670D9F44CEB4F3371D0EDA04AD@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: <20100721044859.8251518764A@autox.team.net> Ditch the plates and just use locktite. Make sure the bolts don't interfere with the block since they won't have the thickness of the plates under them. ARP bolts for an MGB will work nicely in our flywheels, but you have to grind a little off the end or they interfere with the aluminum seal housing. The plates aren't very hard steel and can cause more problems than they solve. - Tony Drews At 06:35 PM 7/20/2010, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: >List, what is the collective wisdom on using the 2 locking plates when >assembling a TR 4 flywheel to the crank? Use them or use Locktite instead of >them. Both? > >A warm street engine. > >Thanks, > >JVV >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed Jul 21 02:14:53 2010 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 01:14:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Jerry Van Vlack" Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > Lock tabs are made of soft material. The steel of the lock tab can and > sometimes will compress where it is squeezed between the bolt head and the > fly wheel. The clamping tension of the bolt on the flywheel is then > reduced. The effect is as if the bolt had loosened, without it having done > so. This occurred on my own Morgan, with a TR-4 engine, when the car was > about 16,000 miles from new. It manifested itself as a rattle when the > engine was gently revved from idle. The noise sounded like it was coming > from within the timing cover, but it was noise transferring down the > crankshaft from the rear of the engine. The bolt were found to be "loose". > They were not stretched and the lock tabs were still bent over and locking > the bolt heads. Since then, (1966) I have used high strength loctite and > no washer on an iron flywheel or metric "wave washer" style lock washers, > which are hardened steel, on alloy flywheels. On high performance engines > we use bolts that are harder and higher strength than the original "auto" > bolts. The best standard bolts were labled "BEES" on the head. We have > only had one "tractor motor" flywheel ever come loose since, and it was > full race engine. The driver had been revinig the engine to near 8,000 > rpm coming down the switchbacks on the backside of the Pittsburg Vintage > GP where he had not wanted to upshift and then immediately down shift into > 1'st gear for the next hairpin corner.. The failure did not occur that > weekend, but the next race weekend where we found the front generator end > frame lower ear broken off, then shortly thereafter all 4 ARP flywheel > bolts sheared and the flywheel lost its attachment to the flywheel > completely. The dowel pin also was sheared off.. There is obviously a > resonant frequency somewhere north of 7600 rpm that was inducing these > failures. We normally insist that drivers keep the revs on a full race > engine with steel rods, crank, alloy flywheel, light pistons, etc.below > 7200 rpm which has been safe and reliable in a engine properly assembled > with all of the correct necessary parts. > > Regards, > > Greg Solow > > The Engine Room > > Santa Cruz, Ca. 95060 > > 831 429-1800 From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed Jul 21 02:36:59 2010 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 01:36:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: gt-6 initial run Message-ID: <3E8CAF128C004EA4A76018DA00F71DE1@your89d26e0447> ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Solow To: jason at multivintage.com ; Friends of Triumph Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:32 AM Subject: gt-6 initial run Congratulations! Sounds like a good start. You should look into a better lubricant or possible a pump and an oil cooler for the differential oil. Overfilling the diff by about 1/2 pint of gear oil may also help.. We normally use Chevron "Delo" special Heavy Duty gear lubes with great success. I under stand that they were developed for use in the Nissan IMSA GTP cars which were having reliability issues. I was told that switching to the Delo oil fixed the problems the team was having. Maybe Kas can add something to this information. We often add a gear oil additive made by "lubguard" It comes in a yellow bottle and is labled "gear oil supplement" It is an extreme pressure additive that also adds slipperiness to the oil. So it should not be used in a "clutch type" limited slip diff. as it will likely make the clutches slip! The differential should not be getting hotter than 130 to 140 degrees, in my opinion. Hot to the touch is ok, burn your hand on the diff hot is not ok. Regards, Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed Jul 21 02:32:45 2010 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 01:32:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] gt-6 initial run Message-ID: <935A64165BF74CA8A8DBF3B8A72055A4@your89d26e0447> Congratulations! Sounds like a good start. You should look into a better lubricant or possible a pump and an oil cooler for the differential oil. Overfilling the diff by about 1/2 pint of gear oil may also help.. We normally use Chevron "Delos" special Heavy Duty gear lubes with great success. I under stand that they were developed for use in the Nissan IMSA GTP cars which were having reliability issues. I was told that switching to the Delo oil fixed the problems the team was having. Maybe Kas can add something to this information. We often add a gear oil additive made by "lubguard" It comes in a yellow bottle and is labled "gear oil supplement" It is an extreme pressure additive that also adds slipperiness to the oil. So it should not be used in a "clutch type" limited slip diff. as it will likely make the clutches slip! The differential should not be getting hotter than 130 to 140 degrees, in my opinion. Hot to the touch is ok, burn your hand on the diff hot is not ok. Regards, Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Jul 21 06:17:10 2010 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 08:17:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing In-Reply-To: <8CCF693D30130C7-1248-12E85@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF693D30130C7-1248-12E85@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <59E4B3D3-9121-4780-B825-0101D54BE94F@comcast.net> Not sure if you have a limited slip or stock or what. My GT6 has a welded rear - I run Red Line Differential oil. No temperature issues whatsoever. Sounds to me like there was some sort of problem that caused this. From: Jason Ostrowski To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jul 19, 2010 9:33 am Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jul 21 08:05:01 2010 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 09:05:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing In-Reply-To: <59E4B3D3-9121-4780-B825-0101D54BE94F@comcast.net> References: <8CCF693D30130C7-1248-12E85@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> <59E4B3D3-9121-4780-B825-0101D54BE94F@comcast.net> Message-ID: Took the poor old stinky rear end out and took a peek at it last night, it was a "locker" as well. I was using redline synthetic gear lube as well. The pinion gear had a major chunk come off an little bits of metal were floating around with the oil. So, I did find the problem, But I'm not sure exactly why it happened. Nothing really happened that should have caused that but as we say often in racing...SH** HAPPENS.... Nonetheless I was unfortunately "Beaten by Equipment" Hope the spare holds up longer. I used a about 3/4 of the Quart of Redline synthetic 75w90 gear lube. and put it in...Not the easiest job I've ever done. It took quite a while. On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > Not sure if you have a limited slip or stock or what. My GT6 has a welded > rear - I run Red Line Differential oil. No temperature issues whatsoever. > Sounds to me like there was some sort of problem that caused this. > > > From: Jason Ostrowski > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, Jul 19, 2010 9:33 am > Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing From harmug at us.ibm.com Wed Jul 21 12:51:19 2010 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:51:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Chain tensioner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Does anyone have a better solution to the crappy timing chain tensioner in a Spitfire engine? My race car broke another one and while they're cheap enough, it's a PITA. Seems to me there could be something mounted through the cover to do the job better. thanks mike 63 Spitfire From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Jul 21 16:09:33 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:09:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates References: Message-ID: The note about breaking the lower ear of the generator hit home. I had a Lucas alternator housing break at Watkins Glen. I had to force myself to shift earlier myself coming out of the toe of the boot after my tach told me I'd hit 8,100. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 3:14 AM Subject: [Fot] Fw: Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Solow" > To: "Jerry Van Vlack" > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:11 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > > >> Lock tabs are made of soft material. The steel of the lock tab can and >> sometimes will compress where it is squeezed between the bolt head and >> the fly wheel. The clamping tension of the bolt on the flywheel is then >> reduced. The effect is as if the bolt had loosened, without it having >> done so. This occurred on my own Morgan, with a TR-4 engine, when the car >> was about 16,000 miles from new. It manifested itself as a rattle when >> the engine was gently revved from idle. The noise sounded like it was >> coming from within the timing cover, but it was noise transferring down >> the crankshaft from the rear of the engine. The bolt were found to be >> "loose". They were not stretched and the lock tabs were still bent over >> and locking the bolt heads. Since then, (1966) I have used high strength >> loctite and no washer on an iron flywheel or metric "wave washer" style >> lock washers, which are hardened steel, on alloy flywheels. On high >> performance engines we use bolts that are harder and higher strength than >> the original "auto" bolts. The best standard bolts were labled "BEES" on >> the head. We have only had one "tractor motor" flywheel ever come loose >> since, and it was full race engine. The driver had been revinig the >> engine to near 8,000 rpm coming down the switchbacks on the backside of >> the Pittsburg Vintage GP where he had not wanted to upshift and then >> immediately down shift into 1'st gear for the next hairpin corner.. The >> failure did not occur that weekend, but the next race weekend where we >> found the front generator end frame lower ear broken off, then shortly >> thereafter all 4 ARP flywheel bolts sheared and the flywheel lost its >> attachment to the flywheel completely. The dowel pin also was sheared >> off.. There is obviously a resonant frequency somewhere north of 7600 rpm >> that was inducing these failures. We normally insist that drivers keep >> the revs on a full race engine with steel rods, crank, alloy flywheel, >> light pistons, etc.below 7200 rpm which has been safe and reliable in a >> engine properly assembled with all of the correct necessary parts. >> >> Regards, >> >> Greg Solow >> >> The Engine Room >> >> Santa Cruz, Ca. 95060 >> >> 831 429-1800 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 21 17:58:36 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 19:58:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Record number of TR4 entries.....at HEARTLAND PARK in August Message-ID: <8CCF747C4D84B0E-4940-516E@Webmail-m112.sysops.aol.com> So far there are an amazing number of TR4s entered and more expected. FOURTEEN so far. Two of them will be Kas' 12 Hours of Sebring cars. Will all of them be chasing a TR6 'rabbit' in National Champ Sam Halkias in his vintage prepared TR6? This is going to be cool. From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Jul 21 19:21:58 2010 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:21:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates Message-ID: <47A4E5976D6548F99C67C035427B603A@userb38463fba5> All of the responses said to drop the tabs. I'll listen to the wisdom. I'll be using the blue Locktight only with no tabs. Bob if my engine ever hits 8,100 it'll look like your old one did at Mosport. Thanks folks JVV > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Kramer" > To: "Greg Solow" ; "Friends of Triumph" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > > >> The note about breaking the lower ear of the generator hit home. I had a >> Lucas alternator housing break at Watkins Glen. I had to force myself to >> shift earlier myself coming out of the toe of the boot after my tach told >> me I'd hit 8,100. >> >> Bob Kramer >> Volente, TX >> >> Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch >> excellence. >> Vince Lombardi From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Jul 21 21:06:25 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 22:06:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates References: <47A4E5976D6548F99C67C035427B603A@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: I've upgraded to a Moldex and Carillo's so I hope to stay out of that kind of trouble again. The BFE camshaft wanted to go there..... Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: "Jerry Van Vlack" ; "Bob Kramer" ; "Greg Solow" ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > > > > All of the responses said to drop the tabs. I'll listen to the wisdom. > I'll > be using the blue Locktight only with no tabs. > Bob if my engine ever hits 8,100 it'll look like your old one did at > Mosport. > Thanks folks > JVV >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob Kramer" >> To: "Greg Solow" ; "Friends of Triumph" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates >> >> >>> The note about breaking the lower ear of the generator hit home. I had a >>> Lucas alternator housing break at Watkins Glen. I had to force myself to >>> shift earlier myself coming out of the toe of the boot after my tach >>> told me I'd hit 8,100. >>> >>> Bob Kramer >>> Volente, TX >>> >>> Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch >>> excellence. >>> Vince Lombardi From WEmery7451 at aol.com Thu Jul 22 10:47:52 2010 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:47:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates Message-ID: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com> In a message dated 7/20/10 5:00:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jerryvv at roadrunner.com writes: << List, what is the collective wisdom on using the 2 locking plates when assembling a TR 4 flywheel to the crank? Use them or use Locktite instead of them. Both? >> Forget the Locktite. It may be OK for the first assembly. If you have to assemble the components again, it is almost impossible to clean out all of the old Locktite. You could therefore get some false torque readings. Use the locking plates, put a drop of mineral oil on the bolt threads, and torque to specifications. There is some evidence that tying the two bolts together with the locking plates gives a little added strength. You might also want to have two dial pins made long enough to be flush with the outer surface of the flywheel. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jul 22 13:32:10 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 21:32:10 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com> References: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com> Message-ID: <000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com> Gasket remover will clean the bolts and holes from old Loctite. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von WEmery7451 at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Juli 2010 18:48 An: jerryvv at roadrunner.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In a message dated 7/20/10 5:00:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jerryvv at roadrunner.com writes: << List, what is the collective wisdom on using the 2 locking plates when assembling a TR 4 flywheel to the crank? Use them or use Locktite instead of them. Both? >> Forget the Locktite. It may be OK for the first assembly. If you have to assemble the components again, it is almost impossible to clean out all of the old Locktite. You could therefore get some false torque readings. Use the locking plates, put a drop of mineral oil on the bolt threads, and torque to specifications. There is some evidence that tying the two bolts together with the locking plates gives a little added strength. You might also want to have two dial pins made long enough to be flush with the outer surface of the flywheel. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Jul 22 15:39:09 2010 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:39:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com> References: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com> <000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com> Message-ID: <001601cb29e6$52b08c70$f811a550$@com> Thanks Chris, I've been using lacquer thinner and a brass gun cleaning brush on a drill along with dental picks to clean the Loctite out of the threads. I'll try the gasket remover next time. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:32 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates Gasket remover will clean the bolts and holes from old Loctite. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von WEmery7451 at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Juli 2010 18:48 An: jerryvv at roadrunner.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In a message dated 7/20/10 5:00:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jerryvv at roadrunner.com writes: << List, what is the collective wisdom on using the 2 locking plates when assembling a TR 4 flywheel to the crank? Use them or use Locktite instead of them. Both? >> Forget the Locktite. It may be OK for the first assembly. If you have to assemble the components again, it is almost impossible to clean out all of the old Locktite. You could therefore get some false torque readings. Use the locking plates, put a drop of mineral oil on the bolt threads, and torque to specifications. There is some evidence that tying the two bolts together with the locking plates gives a little added strength. You might also want to have two dial pins made long enough to be flush with the outer surface of the flywheel. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu Jul 22 17:01:00 2010 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:01:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates References: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com><000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com> <001601cb29e6$52b08c70$f811a550$@com> Message-ID: <6DF1B2CAB8214903A6C5804D7C924460@userb38463fba5> Lacquer thinner seems to clean anything but it's rough on the skin. That's what I was going to use. Gasket cleaner may well be Lacquer thinner as I've used thinner to clean gasket surfaces and it works well. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'MadMarx'" ; Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > Thanks Chris, I've been using lacquer thinner and a brass gun cleaning > brush > on a drill along with dental picks to clean the Loctite out of the > threads. > I'll try the gasket remover next time. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:32 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > > Gasket remover will clean the bolts and holes from old Loctite. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von WEmery7451 at aol.com > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Juli 2010 18:48 > An: jerryvv at roadrunner.com; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates From spitlist at cox.net Thu Jul 22 18:17:29 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:17:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <6DF1B2CAB8214903A6C5804D7C924460@userb38463fba5> References: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com><000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com><001601cb29e6$52b08c70$f811a550$@com> <6DF1B2CAB8214903A6C5804D7C924460@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: <989EF3C0E5B44DC99E89932FDDBA4C3F@joepentiumnew> I just discovered that Paint prep cleaner (such as Acryli-Clean) works well for getting gasket sealer off. I discovered this due to finding that a bottle of Permatex Gasket sealer turned over in my toolbox leaving a real mess. I scraped off the bulk of it but was able to dissolve the remainder with that solvent without causing ill effects to my skin. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 4:01 PM To: Tim Murphy; 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates Lacquer thinner seems to clean anything but it's rough on the skin. That's what I was going to use. Gasket cleaner may well be Lacquer thinner as I've used thinner to clean gasket surfaces and it works well. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'MadMarx'" ; Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > Thanks Chris, I've been using lacquer thinner and a brass gun cleaning > brush > on a drill along with dental picks to clean the Loctite out of the > threads. > I'll try the gasket remover next time. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:32 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > > Gasket remover will clean the bolts and holes from old Loctite. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von WEmery7451 at aol.com > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Juli 2010 18:48 > An: jerryvv at roadrunner.com; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Thu Jul 22 19:21:18 2010 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 21:21:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <001601cb29e6$52b08c70$f811a550$@com> References: <001601cb29e6$52b08c70$f811a550$@com> Message-ID: <4C48EE8E.1020904@twcny.rr.com> I just run a tap thru and Bob's your Uncle. No fuss no muss... Grind off the tip of an old one for bottom end applications. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jul 22 22:13:48 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 21:13:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <6DF1B2CAB8214903A6C5804D7C924460@userb38463fba5> References: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com><000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com><001601cb29e6$52b08c70$f811a550$@com> <6DF1B2CAB8214903A6C5804D7C924460@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: <2513E5D508D448FC84893E409FD4888D@Meislaptop> > Gasket cleaner may well be Lacquer thinner The Loctite "gasket remover" I have does not appear to be lacquer thinner. It's thicker for one thing, and foams slightly on the surface. Very effective, but somewhat slow as it seems to take several minutes to soften the surface and then has to be reapplied to remove the next layer. But so far it has removed everything I've tried it on, including RTV, old hardened Permatex, Hylomar, etc. Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jul 23 01:15:47 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:15:47 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <989EF3C0E5B44DC99E89932FDDBA4C3F@joepentiumnew> References: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com><000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com><001601cb29e6$52b08c70$f811a550$@com> <6DF1B2CAB8214903A6C5804D7C924460@userb38463fba5> <989EF3C0E5B44DC99E89932FDDBA4C3F@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <001301cb2a36$e23d7470$a6b85d50$@com> We call this silicon remover which you use for cleaning a surface before starting the paint job. It does remove sticker glue also very nicely. But it is not rough to paint. I'm not sure if it does remove Loctite out of a thread. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juli 2010 02:17 An: 'Jerry Van Vlack'; 'Tim Murphy'; 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates I just discovered that Paint prep cleaner (such as Acryli-Clean) works well for getting gasket sealer off. I discovered this due to finding that a bottle of Permatex Gasket sealer turned over in my toolbox leaving a real mess. I scraped off the bulk of it but was able to dissolve the remainder with that solvent without causing ill effects to my skin. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 4:01 PM To: Tim Murphy; 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates Lacquer thinner seems to clean anything but it's rough on the skin. That's what I was going to use. Gasket cleaner may well be Lacquer thinner as I've used thinner to clean gasket surfaces and it works well. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'MadMarx'" ; Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > Thanks Chris, I've been using lacquer thinner and a brass gun cleaning > brush > on a drill along with dental picks to clean the Loctite out of the > threads. > I'll try the gasket remover next time. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:32 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > > Gasket remover will clean the bolts and holes from old Loctite. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von WEmery7451 at aol.com > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Juli 2010 18:48 > An: jerryvv at roadrunner.com; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jul 23 01:20:30 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:20:30 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <4C48EE8E.1020904@twcny.rr.com> References: <001601cb29e6$52b08c70$f811a550$@com> <4C48EE8E.1020904@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <001401cb2a37$893bda00$9bb38e00$@com> But it might wear out the threads after several use. I made a cleaning bolt once but I don't use it anymore. I took a bolt and cut notches along the thread like on a tap. I run the bolt into the hole and the in the notches the dirt is collected. It is more easy on the threads than a tap. But in my case gasket remover does it well. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mark Eginton Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juli 2010 03:21 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates I just run a tap thru and Bob's your Uncle. No fuss no muss... Grind off the tip of an old one for bottom end applications. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Jul 23 07:12:19 2010 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:12:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] vacum port Message-ID: <269E8612EACF4981B2F481D390123A02@INSPIRON> I am trying to plug the vacuum port on the Webber manifold. I have run around trying to match the thread with out any luck. Does anyone know the size and thread pitch thanks rob From mediehljr at yahoo.com Fri Jul 23 08:24:40 2010 From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 07:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com> References: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com> <000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com> Message-ID: <705833.29957.qm@web51906.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I would surely recommend locktite over the plates. After many years running a Spit in SCCA GP, I also found that drilling for additional dowel pins will keep the flywheel on much better. Cheers, Ed. Ed Diehl ----- Original Message ---- From: MadMarx To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 3:32:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates Gasket remover will clean the bolts and holes from old Loctite. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von WEmery7451 at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Juli 2010 18:48 An: jerryvv at roadrunner.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In a message dated 7/20/10 5:00:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jerryvv at roadrunner.com writes: << List, what is the collective wisdom on using the 2 locking plates when assembling a TR 4 flywheel to the crank? Use them or use Locktite instead of them. Both? >> Forget the Locktite. It may be OK for the first assembly. If you have to assemble the components again, it is almost impossible to clean out all of the old Locktite. You could therefore get some false torque readings. Use the locking plates, put a drop of mineral oil on the bolt threads, and torque to specifications. There is some evidence that tying the two bolts together with the locking plates gives a little added strength. You might also want to have two dial pins made long enough to be flush with the outer surface of the flywheel. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mediehljr at yahoo.com From riverside at southslope.net Fri Jul 23 10:33:35 2010 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:33:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] historical document Message-ID: <000801cb2a84$cc950900$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Does anyone have a copy of the '66 June Sprints entry list? an e-mailed to me image is all i need. Thanks! art de armond From vintage.racer at comcast.net Fri Jul 23 11:51:21 2010 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Water Temp Gauge Message-ID: <2067031878.319516.1279907481360.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello All: I'm in need of an electrical water temp gauge and/or a mechanical version (gauge, capillary, sensor) in good working order for my 69 TR6. Anyone have a spare they'd like to sell? Thanks. Gary From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Jul 24 01:20:37 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 00:20:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] vacum port In-Reply-To: <269E8612EACF4981B2F481D390123A02@INSPIRON> References: <269E8612EACF4981B2F481D390123A02@INSPIRON> Message-ID: <41A4E74EF2974F4490C2F51011CA1D85@Meislaptop> > I am trying to plug the vacuum port on the Webber manifold. > Does anyone know the size > and thread pitch I don't; but a trick I have found helpful is to whittle a piece of wood to roughly the right diameter and screw it into the hole. When you unscrew it, the marks left by the threads will be readily visible, so you can match them to a bolt or thread gauge. Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jul 24 15:59:16 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 23:59:16 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com> <000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com> Message-ID: <001001cb2b7b$770d8e60$6528ab20$@com> A trackday on the Nordschleife: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5mYIz4V01w From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 25 03:30:20 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 11:30:20 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <7237E55F-8D5B-457F-BB4A-89745DB63D5A@earthlink.net> References: <001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com> <000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com> <001001cb2b7b$770d8e60$6528ab20$@com> <7237E55F-8D5B-457F-BB4A-89745DB63D5A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001cb2bdc$014bb790$03e326b0$@com> I planned to bring a helmet to the ring for passengers but it seems that my wife gave my spare helmet to the trash bin in the past. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Steven Belfer [mailto:colordog.1 at earthlink.net] Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. Juli 2010 05:41 An: MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife Wow, that looks like fun! Shouldn't your passenger be wearing a helmet? ~Steve On Jul 24, 2010, at 2:59 PM, MadMarx wrote: A trackday on the Nordschleife: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5mYIz4V01w _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Jul 25 05:48:21 2010 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 07:48:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 & beyond Message-ID: <2d397.68cc8dc1.397d7e85@aol.com> Amen, Cary, Moss has already pulled much, if not all of their support for Buttonwillow and despite the great racing, great parties, and all the hoopla, like the Group 44 deal, both Moss and we at CMS are quite disapointed with the FOT participation at our Classic Motorsports Mitty event. Maybe I need to go race a Porsche. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 P.S. I was kidding about the Porsche. In a message dated 7/16/10 11:59:56 AM, Group44TR7 at aol.com writes: > Tim > > I appreciate all that you have attempted to do for Triumph owners > and in particular, the Triumph racing community. When it comes to the 60th > reunion that FOT selection should take into account your past and current > support. > > I felt particularly bad that I was unable to support your efforts > to get the Group 44 cars together because of all that you have done. > Unfortunately, the same considerations and constraints will probably keep me > from particpating in the 60th reunion if it was held at Mitty. > > Fot Members > > Similarly, Moss has in past sponsored a spring event at > Buttonwillow. I do not remember that event being an "official" annual FOT event, but > it seems like we are not supporting a vendor who is supporting us. Maybe > something can be worked out with Moss about an annual west coast event > (although I really do not like Buttonwillow) > > In the end, if we do not support those who are supporting us, > then we will lose their support. > > Thanks for listening - Cary > > > > > > From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Jul 25 05:51:06 2010 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 07:51:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP (now rules in the Southeast) Message-ID: <2d470.3a54273d.397d7f2a@aol.com> I still run 5.5" Panasports and Hoosier Speedsters in the Southeast and run towards the front. Unlike a lot of cars, I have no rack and pinion steering either. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 In my tour around the country the place I found the most modern triumph rubber in the southeast. Most of the folks in the NW run SOVERN vintage rules, which means 6" rims and treaded tires. For TR3 that means bias ply 70 series, so it's vintage TDs. I'm supposed to run those, but I generally run Hoosier Speedsters. If you run HMSA or General Racing it's Dunlop L series in 5.50 X 15. A far cry from the slicks everyone was on in the Southeast. On Jul 16, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Bob Adams wrote: From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Jul 25 05:56:47 2010 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 07:56:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Message-ID: <2d637.3de0241c.397d807f@aol.com> Conceptually I agree, but have found some fun lesser tracks like Hutchinson Island in Savannah, Hallet when I ran with you guys and Gingerman are a lot of fun. Was at VIR this weekend and it and Mid Ohio are still two of my favorites. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 Amen, brother. I discovered on my long tour (www.allaluminumtour.com) that most historic tracks are also great tracks. And most of the ones you never heard of are not. The best you can say about the modern tracks is that they are "interesting". Would I rather go to Sears or Thunderhill. No contest. A great track has places to pass, challenging corners, places to go fast, and requires technique, tactics and strategy. I spent some time thinking about this once and decided why I like Portland International Raceway even though there are no elevation changes (which I generally consider critical). It's because you need a strategy for each opponent based on the relative strengths and weaknesses of their car and yours. You can be a second slower at PIR and win with a superior strategy. Been there, done exactly that. Limerock--historically significant but kind of boring. Watkins Glen--separates the sheep from the goats (according to Tony Garmey). Road America--where am I? Fast and interesting. Road Atlanta--incredibly varied and some fine passing places. Sears--Awesome, great passing spots, fast and tricky. Laguna -- some nice corners, the corkscrew is fun and turn nine is a challenge, but not in the same league as Sears. VIR--fiddly, but fun. Mosport--oh my god. What were they thinking. On Jul 15, 2010, at 8:00 AM, Bob Adams wrote: > I think you're going to have trouble getting people to justify a long tow to > a non historical track, especially for the racers back east who have tracks > like Road Atlanta, VIR, Lime Rock,and Watkins Glen, and a lot of really good > "B" tracks like NJMP, Mid Ohio, Summit Point, Beaverun, and Roebling Road at > their disposal. > > No offense to anyone, but I don't think people are super excited at the idea > of towing two days to tracks like Topeka and TWS. > > Just look at the turnout at Watkins Glen in 2008 and the caliber of cars > that showed up vs some of the other Triumph gatherings. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grmtim at aol.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 25 08:40:28 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:40:28 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife References: <001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com> <000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com> Message-ID: <000001cb2c07$5590d760$00b28620$@com> A trackday on the Nordschleife: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5mYIz4V01w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZSBn39OJ_M From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Jul 25 09:46:04 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 09:46:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Last minute rebuild before Topeka Message-ID: Greetings FoT The worst case scenario has happened. I raced ppir two weeks ago and my head gasket blew. I caught it pretty quick and inspection of the rod & main bearings Showed no damage to the crank. The bearings were just beginning to score. The nitriding had paid off. Unfortunately when I tore the motor down I found all the pistons badly damaged an two of the liners are toast. Further investigation showed the small ends of the rods Turned blue & red. They were new forged rods and the shop that balanced the rotating assembly sized them for the Wrist pins, I didn't ask what they were sized to. As it is the evidence points to the wrist pins siezing up and putting unusual forces on the pistons thus taking out the pistons & liners. The holes in the pistons for the wrist pins were beginning to oval. So my qestion is, what should be considered a racing tollerence for the small end bearing? Thanks for any input. Jim g Sent from my iPhone From brinke at cebridge.net Sat Jul 24 16:07:08 2010 From: brinke at cebridge.net (Bill Rinke) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 17:07:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2010 References: <00C1A379-2A58-4CF8-A46B-BF5E06ACAAD4@bnj.com> Message-ID: <91BA9A9EF4564AA5ABB295BF3F580C5E@main> Hello Bill, Gosh it has been a long time since we heard from you. Don't have your entry yet into the O'Reilly Vintage Grand Prix sponsored by Heartland Vintage Racing. This is undoubtedly the greatest Vintage Racing event to be held in the Midwest and you sure don't want to miss it. Check out our updated website at www.heartlandvintageracing.com and click on the Invitations button and also on the Racing button. Lots of great information there. Perhaps some of those copied on this email will also be reminded of this great event and get their entries sent in right away. The Kastner Cup Race is going to be one of the best ever held. It will start with a band playing the National Anthem and at the end of the Anthem there will be aircraft flying over spewing colored smoke and one of the pilots even said he might do a barrel roll down the front straight. Sure look forward to receiving your entry and seeing you at Heartland Park Topeka. Bill bill at heartlandvintageracing.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; fot at autox.team.net Triumph' Triumph Cc: emanteno at comcast.net ; sbarr at mccarty-law.com ; jerrybarr at charter.net ; yellow-green at sbcglobal.net ; ehusmann53 at yahoo.com ; spyderweb at uwalumni.com ; tony at tonydrews.com ; edwardbarnard at prodigy.net ; colordog.1 at earthlink.net ; rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ; mjb at spitfire.cs.utah.edu ; capecoventryracing at gmail.com ; cofrog at q.com ; mlcooknj at msn.com ; BillDentin at aol.com ; Dlhogye at aol.com ; DonMarshall at nefcom.net ; gasket.works at gte.net ; keithfiles at btinternet.com ; henry at henryfrye.com ; GSFuqua1 at aol.com ; vintage.racer at comcast.net ; jcjcarrera at comcast.net ; spitfiresuz at 141.com ; brad.kahler at 141.com ; kla-nv at earthlink.net ; munsonsb at telus.net ; Gt6steve at aol.com ; jsnook at wcnet.org ; tstrange at new.rr.com ; tarch at bellsouth.net ; jerryvv at roadrunner.com ; cartravel at pobox.com ; seanax at iowalaser.com ; Mark.Alexander.ctr at ang.af.mil Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 10:33 AM Subject: Re: Kastner Cup 2010 Wow, how cool is that. I'll do my best to be there, even though it conflicts with the Monterey Historics. On Jun 5, 2009, at 5:47 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: Press release by Gary Fuqua and Bill Brinke: It should be a good one.......Kas is enthusiastically in place. look at: http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/ I am not on the FOT list, at the moment, so I just sent as many as I could find on my address book/ The word will be getting out so I ddint want folks to find out from a magazine or any of the other lists. = From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Jul 25 12:46:23 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 12:46:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Last minute rebuild before Topeka In-Reply-To: <8CCFA3B837715E8-139C-2753D@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCFA3B837715E8-139C-2753D@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I don't give up that easy . Jim g Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2010, at 12:08 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > oh Jim, > > are you going to make it? > > this is the greatest potential turnout of TR4s ever, methinks > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Gray > To: Triumph Friends of > Sent: Sun, Jul 25, 2010 10:46 am > Subject: [Fot] Last minute rebuild before Topeka > > Greetings FoT > The worst case scenario has happened. I raced ppir two weeks ago and > my head gasket blew. I caught it pretty quick and inspection of the > rod & main bearings > Showed no damage to the crank. The bearings were just beginning to > score. The nitriding had paid off. > Unfortunately when I tore the motor down I found all the pistons > badly damaged an two of the liners are toast. > Further investigation showed the small ends of the rods > Turned blue & red. They were new forged rods and the shop that > balanced the rotating assembly sized them for the > Wrist pins, I didn't ask what they were sized to. > As it is the evidence points to the wrist pins siezing up and > putting unusual forces on the pistons thus taking out the pistons & > liners. The holes in the pistons for the wrist pins were beginning > to oval. So my qestion is, what should be considered a racing > tollerence for the small end bearing? > Thanks for any input. > Jim g > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > = From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 25 13:23:15 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 21:23:15 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Last minute rebuild before Topeka In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000b01cb2c2e$d5a6fe80$80f4fb80$@com> I run the stock suggestions which are 0.00196" clearance for rod and piston bore. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Jim Gray Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. Juli 2010 17:46 An: Triumph Friends of Betreff: [Fot] Last minute rebuild before Topeka Greetings FoT The worst case scenario has happened. I raced ppir two weeks ago and my head gasket blew. I caught it pretty quick and inspection of the rod & main bearings Showed no damage to the crank. The bearings were just beginning to score. The nitriding had paid off. Unfortunately when I tore the motor down I found all the pistons badly damaged an two of the liners are toast. Further investigation showed the small ends of the rods Turned blue & red. They were new forged rods and the shop that balanced the rotating assembly sized them for the Wrist pins, I didn't ask what they were sized to. As it is the evidence points to the wrist pins siezing up and putting unusual forces on the pistons thus taking out the pistons & liners. The holes in the pistons for the wrist pins were beginning to oval. So my qestion is, what should be considered a racing tollerence for the small end bearing? Thanks for any input. Jim g Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sun Jul 25 14:50:44 2010 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:50:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <000001cb2c07$5590d760$00b28620$@com> References: <001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com><000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com> <000001cb2c07$5590d760$00b28620$@com> Message-ID: How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 10:40 AM Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife >A trackday on the Nordschleife: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5mYIz4V01w > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZSBn39OJ_M > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/19to1tr6 at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jul 25 15:34:01 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:34:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Stags at the Kastner Cup Races in Topeka Kansas USA August 19-22 In-Reply-To: <4C4C9AFB.8050905@triumphstagclub.org> References: <4C4C9AFB.8050905@triumphstagclub.org> Message-ID: <8CCFA583B9050B0-1F98-25A0F@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Glenn, Your timing to mention this FOT Kastner Cup event couldnt be any better. I wanted 'uncle jack' as the honorary pace car as a tribute to my long time friend. Mr. Ethier has another event on his schedule that he doesnt want to miss. I understand that. However, it would be cool to have a gathering of Stags with us. We have a number of features planned that will appeal to everyone. Ramada Inn has very special rates available. Cheaper than Super 8, I hear. Entertainment on Saturday night. Live music by Soul to Soul out of Texas. You get a herd of stags to come and we will pay special attention to you. Kas, of course will be there. Some other folks of TRIUMPH racing history will be there telling stories of racing in the 50s. VTR is going to have something special going on in the paddock as well as a deluxe poster for the second year. Suitable for autographing by Kas and Sam....and then frame it. We are honoring Sam Halkias and he will have the SCCA TR6 Champ Car on display and driving his vintage TR6. In the field of entries there may be as many as 18 TR4s...the biggest showing of TR4s that I am aware of. This event is about Triumphs, for Triumph people. Triumphs will be the stars. Gate is inexpensive for the weekend. We have a great T-SHIRT with Sam Halkias on it. We are going to offer it to all Triumph guys....$12.50 I think. This is an opportunity for central states TRIUMPHS to participate in what is usually held on either coast. 2011 is west and 2012 will be east.......... VENDOR and AUTOJUMBLE activity. Rent a vendor space for $100 and get passes, then sell off some of spares...get some guys together and do it. Let me know, so we can plan for you. Join us in the paddock! Thanks Glenn, Joe Alexander FOT -----Original Message----- From: Glenn A. Merrell - TSN To: Triumph Stag Discussion Forum ; Triumph Triumphlist ; Spitfires Mail List Members ; TR8 Mail List Members ; 6-Pack <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Sun, Jul 25, 2010 3:13 pm Subject: [6pack] Stags at the Kastner Cup Races in Topeka Kansas USA August 19-22 Hi All, I am wondering how many folks are going to the Friends of Triumph Kastner Cup Races in Topeka Kansas August 19-22 ( featured race info http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/) where Triumph is the featured Marque? This is a convenient day's drive from a lot of places in the Central USA, and across a weekend too! I'd like to see a strong showing of ALL Triumphs including Triumph Stags show up in the Heartland as there has not been a good gathering of "the herd" in several years now, certainly not one exceeding a count close to 24 Stags !! It is well past the time for new things to happen in the long term support and enjoyment of our cars. There are easily over 100 Stags within a days drive of Topeka (not to mention many hundreds of other Triumphs) ... so it would be a very convenient gathering of the herd, we could coordinate a spot in the race paddocks reserved just for Triumph Stags smack dab in the middle of FoT, maybe have Uncle Jack as the center piece with all the TTA stickers ?? How appropriate!!! If you are planning on attending, want to talk Triumphs, Triumph Stags, coordinating new Triumph Stag support in North America including herding options, please contact me off list and do actively continue this discussion on the Forums! Cheers! -- Glenn Merrell TSN Admin http://www.triumphstag.net mailto:StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org _______________________________________________ 6pack at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jul 25 15:48:39 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:48:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park Message-ID: <8CCFA5A46B9348C-1788-3C658@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> FOT, I ran into some RMVR members at Road America last weekend and talked to them about Heartland Park. They said HP was discussed and planned to be on their racing schedule as there is nothing else scheduled for August. But it didnt get on the schedule as someone didnt follow through. Is it too late to spread the word to RMVR and CVAR? Entries are looking quite good for the Kastner Cup, but there is room for more entries in other groups. Who can help? Thanks, Joe A. From billb at bnj.com Sun Jul 25 16:13:31 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 15:13:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com><000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com> <000001cb2c07$5590d760$00b28620$@com> Message-ID: <020272EF-962A-4D1C-965D-32905E70898E@bnj.com> Perhaps some fundamental difference between nanny state Germany and nanny state United States? That and the fact that the Nordschliefe is not really a race track anymore. You pays your money and you takes yer lap, regardless of what motor-driven contrivance you might choose to bring. People drive at similar speeds on the road that runs past my house in Portland (coincidentally, the infamous Germantown Road) with no helmet, harness and traffic coming the other way. Now that I think about it, I do too. On Jul 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Rob wrote: > How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sun Jul 25 17:54:15 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:54:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <020272EF-962A-4D1C-965D-32905E70898E@bnj.com> Message-ID: <4DE981F9477F49D6B40A22FC38D7C928@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Germantown Road - One of my all time favorites. But don't screw up - those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:14 PM To: Rob Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife Perhaps some fundamental difference between nanny state Germany and nanny state United States? That and the fact that the Nordschliefe is not really a race track anymore. You pays your money and you takes yer lap, regardless of what motor-driven contrivance you might choose to bring. People drive at similar speeds on the road that runs past my house in Portland (coincidentally, the infamous Germantown Road) with no helmet, harness and traffic coming the other way. Now that I think about it, I do too. On Jul 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Rob wrote: > How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sun Jul 25 19:06:03 2010 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 01:06:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] spitfire rear valence trim needed Message-ID: <1542073874.508208.1280106363690.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Anyone out there have chrome rear valence pieces sitting around on a parts car collecting dust.B I really just need the centre lower piece, but would take all of them.B These chrome ones are forB a 72' or so MkIV or 1500.B The car is black so the black ones aren't what I'm looking for. amazing how mangled they get when a car is backed into the tire barrier Aaron Johnson #87 HP Spitfire1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA From jaboruch at netzero.net Sun Jul 25 19:29:03 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 01:29:03 GMT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Spitfire Message-ID: <20100725.212903.17807.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Friends, I received the below from a former FOTer. Lots of free parts, plus a Spitfire for sale. Jim is in Connecticut. Joe(B) Hi Joe, Would you mind placing this ad for me on the FOT site, I no longer have access. Thanks, Jim Wood Free: Spitfire chassis, tubs, and bonnets, have several of each. For sale: 1969 Spitfire MK3, 1300cc, street car, roll bar, fuel cell, Carrerra shocks, Corbeau seats, and much more, also many spares included. $2500 firm. Jim Wood 860-350-0975, VRUUUM at aol.com ____________________________________________________________ TODAY: iPads for $23.78? Report: Apple iPads are being auctioned for an incredible 83% off! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c4ce512993a5412671st06duc From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Jul 25 21:14:35 2010 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 parts Message-ID: <500703.72057.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Lister's: I have a friend who is parting out a couple of TR3A's, post TS60000. Normally I wouldn't mention body panels to the group since they are expensive to ship, but, Joe Hovey and I will be coming up to Topeka and could throw things in the truck and save shipping costs. At this time there is still a good front apron, some doors, and front and rear fenders. If anyone is interested in any panels to be brought to Topeka please contact me off list. Thanks - Ed From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 26 01:40:56 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:40:56 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com><000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com> <000001cb2c07$5590d760$00b28620$@com> Message-ID: <001401cb2c95$e5161510$af423f30$@com> The simple fact is that the Nordschleife was ever a toll road and has a status like a normal road for public traffic. Like the streets of Monaco. You can drive through Monaco when there is no F1 GP on the race track. So all cars insurances are intact and also the driving rules for traffic are intact with the exception that this has the status as a teaching event and so overtaking on the right hand side is allowed. The passengers "are recommended" to wear helmets but there is no "must". I thought to bring my spare helmet but it seems that my wife had trash bin it. Have a look at the stock seat...how it bends and move under cornering loads :-) Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Rob [mailto:19to1tr6 at comcast.net] Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. Juli 2010 22:51 An: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 10:40 AM Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife >A trackday on the Nordschleife: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5mYIz4V01w > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZSBn39OJ_M > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/19to1tr6 at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 26 01:57:14 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:57:14 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <4DE981F9477F49D6B40A22FC38D7C928@TOSHIBALAPTOP> References: <020272EF-962A-4D1C-965D-32905E70898E@bnj.com> <4DE981F9477F49D6B40A22FC38D7C928@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <001901cb2c98$2a145da0$7e3d18e0$@com> This is something I don't understand: "those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move!" - What? -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Norlin Engineering Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2010 01:54 An: 'Bill Babcock'; 'Rob' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife Germantown Road - One of my all time favorites. But don't screw up - those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:14 PM To: Rob Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife Perhaps some fundamental difference between nanny state Germany and nanny state United States? That and the fact that the Nordschliefe is not really a race track anymore. You pays your money and you takes yer lap, regardless of what motor-driven contrivance you might choose to bring. People drive at similar speeds on the road that runs past my house in Portland (coincidentally, the infamous Germantown Road) with no helmet, harness and traffic coming the other way. Now that I think about it, I do too. On Jul 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Rob wrote: > How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 26 05:36:32 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:36:32 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <8CCFACD2D5F63B9-23B4-2851B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com> References: <020272EF-962A-4D1C-965D-32905E70898E@bnj.com><4DE981F9477F49D6B40A22FC38D7C928@TOSHIBALAPTOP> <001901cb2c98$2a145da0$7e3d18e0$@com> <8CCFACD2D5F63B9-23B4-2851B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <004001cb2cb6$cd01ac20$67050460$@com> Ahhh.now after a little help from Michael Porter and you I get it together. Doug Firs is a sort of tree.I thought Doug Firs is the name of a person. So the trees dont move if you hit them  that is ment. Von: n197tr4 at cs.com [mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com] Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2010 13:31 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife BIG TREES -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'Norlin Engineering' ; 'BillBabcock' ; 'Rob' <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:57 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife This is something I don't understand: "those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move!" - What? -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] Im Auftrag von Norlin Engineering Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2010 01:54 An: 'Bill Babcock'; 'Rob' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife Germantown Road - One of my all time favorites. But don't screw up - those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:14 PM To: Rob Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife Perhaps some fundamental difference between nanny state Germany and nanny state United States? That and the fact that the Nordschliefe is not really a race track anymore. You pays your money and you takes yer lap, regardless of what motor-driven contrivance you might choose to bring. People drive at similar speeds on the road that runs past my house in Portland (coincidentally, the infamous Germantown Road) with no helmet, harness and traffic coming the other way. Now that I think about it, I do too. On Jul 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Rob wrote: > How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 26 07:26:46 2010 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 06:26:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <004001cb2cb6$cd01ac20$67050460$@com> Message-ID: <756090.26176.qm@web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Somebody .... please, send Chris a pic or two of what these trees look like .. so he can appreciate them ... Bill???? Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 7/26/10, MadMarx wrote: From: MadMarx Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 6:36 AM Ahhh.now after a little help from Michael Porter and you I get it together. Doug Firs is a sort of tree.I thought Doug Firs is the name of a person. So the trees dont move if you hit them that is ment. Von: n197tr4 at cs.com [mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com] Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2010 13:31 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife BIG TREES -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'Norlin Engineering' ; 'BillBabcock' ; 'Rob' <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:57 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife This is something I don't understand: "those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move!" - What? -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] Im Auftrag von Norlin Engineering Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2010 01:54 An: 'Bill Babcock'; 'Rob' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife Germantown Road - One of my all time favorites. But don't screw up - those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:14 PM To: Rob Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife Perhaps some fundamental difference between nanny state Germany and nanny state United States? That and the fact that the Nordschliefe is not really a race track anymore. You pays your money and you takes yer lap, regardless of what motor-driven contrivance you might choose to bring. People drive at similar speeds on the road that runs past my house in Portland (coincidentally, the infamous Germantown Road) with no helmet, harness and traffic coming the other way. Now that I think about it, I do too. On Jul 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Rob wrote: > How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tstrange at sbcglobal.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Jul 26 08:27:49 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:27:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 parts now FOT Autojumble Message-ID: <95e34.43258b17.397ef565@cs.com> FOT, Ed Barnard's mention of bringing TR3A in parts for sale............. This is a case for the FOT renting one vendor spot together and pooling your racing and street spares for an FOT Autojumble. There is an indication that there will a large amount of Triumph Club Activity, as well as 25 or so Racing Triumphs Tony Drews, Christian Marx, and I hope to show some New Product. Newly designed aluminum front hubs by Uncle Jack's Racing. A new seal design for the rear of the crank by Christian Marx. The AMBRO will be on display along with the V-8 version, the Dio Tipo 61. The new AMBRO Body Kit will be on display, also, shown by Bill Bonadio. (There are two available) The new and gorgeous SCARAB with aluminum body will also be on display. Of course the major sponsor O'Reilley Auto Parts will have a candy store under canvas. And more. Joe A From igofaster at att.net Mon Jul 26 08:44:09 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 07:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 & beyond In-Reply-To: <2d397.68cc8dc1.397d7e85@aol.com> References: <2d397.68cc8dc1.397d7e85@aol.com> Message-ID: <179552.85874.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I try really hard to support all vendors of Triumph stuff... even the little guys like Ted @ TSI ... even though Ted's on the tall side. I love Moss Motors easy shopping web pages much more than the stuff I have to wade through with Vicky Britt... We own a very nice TR6 we have spruced up the past couple of years. I've purchased a lot of stuff from Moss. HOWEVER... Moss's brand new parts catalog just came in the mail this week... I would like to know who in marketing figured out a Spitfire and a TR7 should be in the same catalog.... Moss offers NO listings that I can find for the lovely GT6's Tim, of which you and I both love. There has to be more GT6's running than TR7's... there just has to be... The difference between a TR7 and an onion? Nobody cries when you cut up a TR7.... Bobby Whitehead.... yes I stole that joke from a 6-pack guy... ________________________________ From: "GRMTim at aol.com" To: Group44TR7 at aol.com; GRMTim at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, July 25, 2010 6:48:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 & beyond Amen, Cary, Moss has already pulled much, if not all of their support for Buttonwillow and despite the great racing, great parties, and all the hoopla, like the Group 44 deal, both Moss and we at CMS are quite disapointed with the FOT participation at our Classic Motorsports Mitty event. Maybe I need to go race a Porsche. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 P.S. I was kidding about the Porsche. In a message dated 7/16/10 11:59:56 AM, Group44TR7 at aol.com writes: > Tim > > I appreciate all that you have attempted to do for Triumph owners > and in particular, the Triumph racing community. When it comes to the 60th > reunion that FOT selection should take into account your past and current > support. > > I felt particularly bad that I was unable to support your efforts > to get the Group 44 cars together because of all that you have done. > Unfortunately, the same considerations and constraints will probably keep me > from particpating in the 60th reunion if it was held at Mitty. > > Fot Members > > Similarly, Moss has in past sponsored a spring event at > Buttonwillow. I do not remember that event being an "official" annual FOT event, but > it seems like we are not supporting a vendor who is supporting us. Maybe > something can be worked out with Moss about an annual west coast event > (although I really do not like Buttonwillow) > > In the end, if we do not support those who are supporting us, > then we will lose their support. > > Thanks for listening - Cary > > > > > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Jul 26 09:16:13 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:16:13 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR7s & TR8s Message-ID: <99986.3bdb3034.397f00bd@cs.com> Bobby, TR7s and TR8s will be gaining in popularity for years to come, methinks. Restorations and modifications will make them better than they came out of factory. Which should be arguably easy. Our offspring will be driving them in VINTAGE EVENTS and they are already making appearances. Cherish them...they are our future in vintage racing for Triumphs. It will be tough, but I know you can do it. Remember: Bring your acoustic guitar to Heartland...perhaps there will someone who can do arrangements for Bagpipe and Guitar Duets. :-) > I try really hard to support all vendors of Triumph stuff... even the > little > guys like Ted @ TSI ... even though Ted's on the tall side. > I love Moss Motors easy shopping web pages much more than the stuff I have > to > wade through with Vicky Britt... > We own a very nice TR6 we have spruced up the past couple of years. I've > purchased a lot of stuff from Moss. > > HOWEVER... Moss's brand new parts catalog just came in the mail this > week... I > would like to know who in marketing figured out a Spitfire and a TR7 > should be > in the same catalog.... > > Moss offers NO listings that I can find for the lovely GT6's Tim, of which > you > and I both love. There has to be more GT6's running than TR7's... there > just has > to be... > > The difference between a TR7 and an onion? Nobody cries when you cut up a > TR7.... > > Bobby Whitehead.... yes I stole that joke from a 6-pack guy... > From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Jul 26 09:19:03 2010 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:19:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 parts now FOT Autojumble In-Reply-To: <95e34.43258b17.397ef565@cs.com> References: <95e34.43258b17.397ef565@cs.com> Message-ID: A pooled FOT vendor spot? How is this being managed? I'm going to be pretty busy all weekend and I wouldn't have time to tend to the booth, but the option of leaving a few things for whoever is tending the booth to sell for me sounds appealing. I think a sellers percentage donation to the FOT from items sold might be in order if something like this could be set up. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell We are as happy as we make up our minds to be. ~ Abraham Lincoln -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:28 AM To: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 parts now FOT Autojumble FOT, Ed Barnard's mention of bringing TR3A in parts for sale............. This is a case for the FOT renting one vendor spot together and pooling your racing and street spares for an FOT Autojumble. There is an indication that there will a large amount of Triumph Club Activity, as well as 25 or so Racing Triumphs Tony Drews, Christian Marx, and I hope to show some New Product. Newly designed aluminum front hubs by Uncle Jack's Racing. A new seal design for the rear of the crank by Christian Marx. The AMBRO will be on display along with the V-8 version, the Dio Tipo 61. The new AMBRO Body Kit will be on display, also, shown by Bill Bonadio. (There are two available) The new and gorgeous SCARAB with aluminum body will also be on display. Of course the major sponsor O'Reilley Auto Parts will have a candy store under canvas. And more. Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From billb at bnj.com Mon Jul 26 09:29:52 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 08:29:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <001901cb2c98$2a145da0$7e3d18e0$@com> References: <020272EF-962A-4D1C-965D-32905E70898E@bnj.com> <4DE981F9477F49D6B40A22FC38D7C928@TOSHIBALAPTOP> <001901cb2c98$2a145da0$7e3d18e0$@com> Message-ID: <462AB0FA-76DD-45B2-A0FD-890941FA26E4@bnj.com> A Doug Fir is a Douglass Fir--a large tree in the Northwest. They are very massive, they line the road I was talking about, and if you hit one nothing happens to the tree. On Jul 26, 2010, at 12:57 AM, MadMarx wrote: > This is something I don't understand: > > "those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move!" - What? > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Norlin Engineering > Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2010 01:54 > An: 'Bill Babcock'; 'Rob' > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife > > Germantown Road - One of my all time favorites. But don't screw up - those > 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move! > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:14 PM > To: Rob > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife > > > Perhaps some fundamental difference between nanny state Germany and nanny > state United States? That and the fact that the Nordschliefe is not really a > race track anymore. You pays your money and you takes yer lap, regardless of > what motor-driven contrivance you might choose to bring. People drive at > similar speeds on the road that runs past my house in Portland > (coincidentally, the infamous Germantown Road) with no helmet, harness and > traffic coming the other way. > > Now that I think about it, I do too. > > On Jul 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Rob wrote: > >> How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From cofrog at q.com Mon Jul 26 09:31:15 2010 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:31:15 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park In-Reply-To: <8CCFA5A46B9348C-1788-3C658@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCFA5A46B9348C-1788-3C658@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I have posted a blurb on RMVRs bulleten board regarding this event. > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:48:39 -0400 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park > > FOT, > > I ran into some RMVR members at Road America last weekend and talked to them > about Heartland Park. > > They said HP was discussed and planned to be on their racing schedule as there > is nothing else scheduled for August. > > But it didnt get on the schedule as someone didnt follow through. Is it too > late to spread the word to RMVR and CVAR? > > Entries are looking quite good for the Kastner Cup, but there is room for more > entries in other groups. > > Who can help? > > Thanks, > > Joe A. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From jmwagner at greenheart.com Mon Jul 26 09:46:12 2010 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 08:46:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs Message-ID: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> Last year I went to a Nissan/Datsun show (being a 240Z fan).... and I noticed this vender selling these very unique brake coolers. This lead to a conversation with the President of the company, Joe Demers, and the suggestion that he make them available for Triumphs. He followed through and has since developed the product for Triumphs. He just made me aware of this in the last week, so I haven't had an opportunity to order a pair for myself, but I plan to. These aren't snake oil. I think he really has a great product. I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. Let Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin ______________________________________________________________ Dr. Joseph R. Demers, President Four Products LLC 4821 Bakman Ave. Suite 305 North Hollywood, CA 91601 (P) (626) 636-0507 (F) (323) 856-6156 http://www.fourproducts.com/V_Triumph_TR.htm From mlcooknj at msn.com Mon Jul 26 09:49:21 2010 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:49:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7s & TR8s In-Reply-To: <99986.3bdb3034.397f00bd@cs.com> References: <99986.3bdb3034.397f00bd@cs.com> Message-ID: GOOD FOR YOU, JOE! Mike Cook > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:16:13 -0400 > To: igofaster at att.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR7s & TR8s > > Bobby, > > TR7s and TR8s will be gaining in popularity for years to come, methinks. > > Restorations and modifications will make them better than they came out of > factory. Which should be arguably easy. > > Our offspring will be driving them in VINTAGE EVENTS and they are already > making appearances. > > Cherish them...they are our future in vintage racing for Triumphs. It will > be tough, but I know you can do it. > > Remember: Bring your acoustic guitar to Heartland...perhaps there will > someone who can do arrangements for Bagpipe and Guitar Duets. > > :-) > > > > > > I try really hard to support all vendors of Triumph stuff... even the > > little > > guys like Ted @ TSI ... even though Ted's on the tall side. > > I love Moss Motors easy shopping web pages much more than the stuff I have > > to > > wade through with Vicky Britt... > > We own a very nice TR6 we have spruced up the past couple of years. I've > > purchased a lot of stuff from Moss. > > > > HOWEVER... Moss's brand new parts catalog just came in the mail this > > week... I > > would like to know who in marketing figured out a Spitfire and a TR7 > > should be > > in the same catalog.... > > > > Moss offers NO listings that I can find for the lovely GT6's Tim, of which > > you > > and I both love. There has to be more GT6's running than TR7's... there > > just has > > to be... > > > > The difference between a TR7 and an onion? Nobody cries when you cut up a > > TR7.... > > > > Bobby Whitehead.... yes I stole that joke from a 6-pack guy... > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 26 09:52:27 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:52:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 parts now FOT Autojumble In-Reply-To: References: <95e34.43258b17.397ef565@cs.com> Message-ID: <8CCFAF1ADF3C986-1730-7A@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> Tag the stuff and where you are at in the paddock. We will have somebody around most of the time.....this is an informal proposal on my part with no real plan. The area is 10 x 20 per vendor spot. I already have 10 x 40...maybe I can add another space and combine it. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Kramer, Robert To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 10:19 am Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3 parts now FOT Autojumble A pooled FOT vendor spot? How is this being managed? I'm going to be pretty busy ll weekend and I wouldn't have time to tend to the booth, but the option of eaving a few things for whoever is tending the booth to sell for me sounds ppealing. I think a sellers percentage donation to the FOT from items sold ight be in order if something like this could be set up. Bob Kramer ales Manager DO Equipment Company 6415 N. IH 35 flugerville, TX 78660 12-272-4141 Office 12-657-8526 Cell e are as happy as we make up our minds to be. ~ Abraham Lincoln -----Original Message----- rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf f N197TR4 at cs.com ent: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:28 AM o: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net; fot at autox.team.net ubject: Re: [Fot] TR3 parts now FOT Autojumble FOT, Ed Barnard's mention of bringing TR3A in parts for sale............. This is a case for the FOT renting one vendor spot together and pooling our racing and street spares for an FOT Autojumble. There is an indication that there will a large amount of Triumph Club ctivity, as well as 25 or so Racing Triumphs Tony Drews, Christian Marx, and I hope to show some New Product. Newly designed aluminum front hubs by Uncle Jack's Racing. A new seal design for the rear of the crank by Christian Marx. The AMBRO will be on display along with the V-8 version, the Dio Tipo 61. he new AMBRO Body Kit will be on display, also, shown by Bill Bonadio. There are two available) The new and gorgeous SCARAB with aluminum body will also be on display. Of ourse the major sponsor O'Reilley Auto Parts will have a candy store under anvas. And more. Joe A ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From Triosan at gmail.com Mon Jul 26 10:01:26 2010 From: Triosan at gmail.com (Triosan at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:01:26 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <462AB0FA-76DD-45B2-A0FD-890941FA26E4@bnj.com> Message-ID: <90e6ba53aae2304502048c4c7f66@google.com> And if his speedo is in MPH at one point it was hitting 124! Helmet and seatbelt would not help there! On Jul 26, 2010 4:29pm, Bill Babcock wrote: > A Doug Fir is a Douglass Fir--a large tree in the Northwest. They are very > massive, they line the road I was talking about, and if you hit one > nothing > happens to the tree. > On Jul 26, 2010, at 12:57 AM, MadMarx wrote: > > This is something I don't understand: > > > > "those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move!" - What? > > > > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > > Auftrag von Norlin Engineering > > Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2010 01:54 > > An: 'Bill Babcock'; 'Rob' > > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife > > > > Germantown Road - One of my all time favorites. But don't screw up - > those > > 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:14 PM > > To: Rob > > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife > > > > > > Perhaps some fundamental difference between nanny state Germany and > nanny > > state United States? That and the fact that the Nordschliefe is not > really > a > > race track anymore. You pays your money and you takes yer lap, > regardless > of > > what motor-driven contrivance you might choose to bring. People drive at > > similar speeds on the road that runs past my house in Portland > > (coincidentally, the infamous Germantown Road) with no helmet, harness > and > > traffic coming the other way. > > > > Now that I think about it, I do too. > > > > On Jul 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Rob wrote: > > > >> How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Jul 26 10:35:10 2010 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:35:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs In-Reply-To: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> References: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> Message-ID: Will those even clear the wheels? Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Wagner To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:46 AM Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs Last year I went to a Nissan/Datsun show (being a 240Z fan).... and I noticed this vender selling these very unique brake coolers. This lead to a conversation with the President of the company, Joe Demers, and the suggestion that he make them available for Triumphs. He followed through and has since developed the product for Triumphs. He just made me aware of this in the last week, so I haven't had an opportunity to order a pair for myself, but I plan to. These aren't snake oil. I think he really has a great product. I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. Let Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin ______________________________________________________________ Dr. Joseph R. Demers, President Four Products LLC 4821 Bakman Ave. Suite 305 North Hollywood, CA 91601 (P) (626) 636-0507 (F) (323) 856-6156 http://www.fourproducts.com/V_Triumph_TR.htm _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard at msn.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Jul 26 10:45:56 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:45:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: Nordschleife Message-ID: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2290/2459037064_d8db9b7f4a.jpg Sorry Chris Germantown Road is a very twisty up (or down) hill two lane road through old growth Douglas Fir forest. The trees are within a few feet of the side of the road. Click on the link above to get an idea of the size of these trees. From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jul 26 11:01:21 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:01:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 & beyond In-Reply-To: <179552.85874.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <2d397.68cc8dc1.397d7e85@aol.com> <179552.85874.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <08A5095CBEFF4FDBA816DBF341BC7294@joepentiumnew> More than that, I have always wondered why MOSS doesn't recognize any Spitfires prior to the MkIV. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 7:44 AM To: GRMTim at aol.com Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 & beyond I try really hard to support all vendors of Triumph stuff... even the little guys like Ted @ TSI ... even though Ted's on the tall side. I love Moss Motors easy shopping web pages much more than the stuff I have to wade through with Vicky Britt... We own a very nice TR6 we have spruced up the past couple of years. I've purchased a lot of stuff from Moss. HOWEVER... Moss's brand new parts catalog just came in the mail this week... I would like to know who in marketing figured out a Spitfire and a TR7 should be in the same catalog.... Moss offers NO listings that I can find for the lovely GT6's Tim, of which you and I both love. There has to be more GT6's running than TR7's... there just has to be... The difference between a TR7 and an onion? Nobody cries when you cut up a TR7.... Bobby Whitehead.... yes I stole that joke from a 6-pack guy... From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jul 26 11:01:39 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:01:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <462AB0FA-76DD-45B2-A0FD-890941FA26E4@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20100726130139.ICKDX.179028.imail@fed1rmwml37> When I raced at the old Pebble Beach course through the DelMonte forest it was lined with trees about 14 inches in diameter. Very unforgiving. I remember a "D" Jag tried to cut one off just past start finish on the left hand side about 3' up. He failed as I remember. (circa 1956) Yes, there were cars then and they even had rubber tires. :-) ---- Bill Babcock wrote: ============= A Doug Fir is a Douglass Fir--a large tree in the Northwest. They are very massive, they line the road I was talking about, and if you hit one nothing happens to the tree. On Jul 26, 2010, at 12:57 AM, MadMarx wrote: > This is something I don't understand: > > "those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move!" - What? > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Norlin Engineering > Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2010 01:54 > An: 'Bill Babcock'; 'Rob' > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife > > Germantown Road - One of my all time favorites. But don't screw up - those > 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move! > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:14 PM > To: Rob > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife > > > Perhaps some fundamental difference between nanny state Germany and nanny > state United States? That and the fact that the Nordschliefe is not really a > race track anymore. You pays your money and you takes yer lap, regardless of > what motor-driven contrivance you might choose to bring. People drive at > similar speeds on the road that runs past my house in Portland > (coincidentally, the infamous Germantown Road) with no helmet, harness and > traffic coming the other way. > > Now that I think about it, I do too. > > On Jul 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Rob wrote: > >> How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jul 26 11:07:27 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:07:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs In-Reply-To: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <20100726130727.C8IPQ.179122.imail@fed1rmwml37> Looks like a good piece if it clears everything. Chris Marx has made a set of wings for the front calipers and they are featured in my upcoming 2010 Triumph book. Simple stuff you can make at home with sheet copper. Good stuff that works. ---- Justin Wagner wrote: ============= Last year I went to a Nissan/Datsun show (being a 240Z fan).... and I noticed this vender selling these very unique brake coolers. This lead to a conversation with the President of the company, Joe Demers, and the suggestion that he make them available for Triumphs. He followed through and has since developed the product for Triumphs. He just made me aware of this in the last week, so I haven't had an opportunity to order a pair for myself, but I plan to. These aren't snake oil. I think he really has a great product. I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. Let Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin ______________________________________________________________ Dr. Joseph R. Demers, President Four Products LLC 4821 Bakman Ave. Suite 305 North Hollywood, CA 91601 (P) (626) 636-0507 (F) (323) 856-6156 http://www.fourproducts.com/V_Triumph_TR.htm _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From REK46 at aol.com Mon Jul 26 12:58:21 2010 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs Message-ID: <9ee55.bc31eed.397f34cd@aol.com> will they clear Revolution Wheels on a GT-6 ? In a message dated 7/26/2010 12:59:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tlizzard at msn.com writes: Will those even clear the wheels? Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Wagner To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:46 AM Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs Last year I went to a Nissan/Datsun show (being a 240Z fan).... and I noticed this vender selling these very unique brake coolers. This lead to a conversation with the President of the company, Joe Demers, and the suggestion that he make them available for Triumphs. He followed through and has since developed the product for Triumphs. He just made me aware of this in the last week, so I haven't had an opportunity to order a pair for myself, but I plan to. These aren't snake oil. I think he really has a great product. I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. Let Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin ______________________________________________________________ Dr. Joseph R. Demers, President Four Products LLC 4821 Bakman Ave. Suite 305 North Hollywood, CA 91601 (P) (626) 636-0507 (F) (323) 856-6156 http://www.fourproducts.com/V_Triumph_TR.htm _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From jmwagner at tstonramp.com Mon Jul 26 12:00:19 2010 From: jmwagner at tstonramp.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:00:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs In-Reply-To: References: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <3C62B6C7-8C34-49D9-BD5C-AA21C3BDACE5@tstonramp.com> He did some sort of research and thinks they do... But this is where FOT could be helpful... Buy his product and provide feedback. (just as this group did in the early days of my gasket development). --Justin On Jul 26, 2010, at 9:35 AM, "Terry Stetler" wrote: > Will those even clear the wheels? > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Justin Wagner > To: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:46 AM > Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs > > Last year I went to a Nissan/Datsun show (being a 240Z fan).... and I > noticed this vender selling these very unique brake coolers. This > lead > to a conversation with the President of the company, Joe Demers, and > the suggestion that he make them available for Triumphs. He followed > through and has since developed the product for Triumphs. He just > made > me aware of this in the last week, so I haven't had an opportunity to > order a pair for myself, but I plan to. These aren't snake oil. I > think he really has a great product. > > I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. > Let > Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Dr. Joseph R. Demers, President > Four Products LLC > 4821 Bakman Ave. > Suite 305 > North Hollywood, CA 91601 > > (P) (626) 636-0507 > (F) (323) 856-6156 > > > > http://www.fourproducts.com/V_Triumph_TR.htm > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > tlizzard at msn.com From REK46 at aol.com Mon Jul 26 14:32:49 2010 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs Message-ID: I would like to see him provide more spec detail, like how they attach, where, and how much they 'stand-off' the caliper, and particularly, where they stan -off...on the GT-6 cals, there is a big difference in the pad area versus the piston area and ends from the wheel on a racing Spit with Gt-6 frt susp and Rev wheels which are far from stoack clearances in the offsets inward In a message dated 7/26/2010 4:11:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jmwagner at tstonramp.com writes: He did some sort of research and thinks they do... But this is where FOT could be helpful... Buy his product and provide feedback. (just as this group did in the early days of my gasket development). --Justin On Jul 26, 2010, at 9:35 AM, "Terry Stetler" wrote: > Will those even clear the wheels? > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Justin Wagner > To: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:46 AM > Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs > > Last year I went to a Nissan/Datsun show (being a 240Z fan).... and I > noticed this vender selling these very unique brake coolers. This > lead > to a conversation with the President of the company, Joe Demers, and > the suggestion that he make them available for Triumphs. He followed > through and has since developed the product for Triumphs. He just > made > me aware of this in the last week, so I haven't had an opportunity to > order a pair for myself, but I plan to. These aren't snake oil. I > think he really has a great product. > > I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. > Let > Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Dr. Joseph R. Demers, President > Four Products LLC > 4821 Bakman Ave. > Suite 305 > North Hollywood, CA 91601 > > (P) (626) 636-0507 > (F) (323) 856-6156 > > > > http://www.fourproducts.com/V_Triumph_TR.htm > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > tlizzard at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jul 26 20:48:47 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:48:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Autojumble booth at Heartland Message-ID: <4C4E490F.5030602@bradakis.com> Gosh, Joe, could this be what you were thinking of when you said something about putting me to work? I haven't read any of the responses yet, this is just my initial reaction. It seems like a great idea, having a common area for the average FOT folks to peddle some of their wares. With luck, we could put Ted S. out of business! [ Sorry Ted, I couldn't resist. ] I'd be willing to spend a fair bit of time in such a booth. If a laptop or some such with a working net connection were to appear, I could even make use of my Fat Chance Garage merchant account to accept credit cards for the sale of various bits, like some rusty crap I could drag out there, or push to get Kas some extra bucks by charging a premium price for a set of his books with a generic autograph, or whatever. At any rate, I just finished my shrimp and pasta dinner, will check further email, maybe have more to say later. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jul 26 20:53:36 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:53:36 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR7s & TR8s In-Reply-To: <99986.3bdb3034.397f00bd@cs.com> References: <99986.3bdb3034.397f00bd@cs.com> Message-ID: <4C4E4A30.20303@bradakis.com> N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > Bobby, > > TR7s and TR8s will be gaining in popularity for years to come, methinks. > > Restorations and modifications will make them better than they came out of > factory. Which should be arguably easy. > > I've got an early 7 coupe out back, Chris K. knows about some of the work we put into it. I had sort of planned on having it be the vehicle I drove to this year's Kup, no such luck. Maybe next year. > Remember: Bring your acoustic guitar to Heartland...perhaps there will > someone who can do arrangements for Bagpipe and Guitar Duets. > > :-) > > > I will be bringing along some of my harmonicas. I promise to keep them locked in the glove box once I get there. mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 26 21:06:24 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:06:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Autojumble booth at Heartland In-Reply-To: <4C4E490F.5030602@bradakis.com> References: <4C4E490F.5030602@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CCFB4FD4A374A7-1550-58D2@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> I am shooting from the hip on this. No specific plan or expectations. I seems like a good idea and perhaps one that can be ongoing in the future. If I brought some stuff and you sold it for me, I would share. I am bringing some product, too, but no specific plan to be a vendor with a cash register. I dont want to be tied down to a booth and neither do you. Lets play this by ear. I have two spaces.....Ed, Bob, Ken, you, and I have an interest in doing something... Let's think about.....btw, what's a Franklin Quick Change rear end worth? It is in a TR250/TR6 chassis with rear disc brakes :-) -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: FoT Triumph Sent: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:48 pm Subject: [Fot] Autojumble booth at Heartland Gosh, Joe, could this be what you were thinking of when you said something about putting me to work? I haven't read any of the responses yet, this is just my initial reaction. It seems like a great idea, having a common area for the average FOT folks to peddle some of their wares. With luck, we could put Ted S. out of business! [ Sorry Ted, I couldn't resist. ] I'd be willing to spend a fair bit of time in such a booth. If a laptop or some such with a working net connection were to appear, I could even make use of my Fat Chance Garage merchant account to accept credit cards for the sale of various bits, like some rusty crap I could drag out there, or push to get Kas some extra bucks by charging a premium price for a set of his books with a generic autograph, or whatever. At any rate, I just finished my shrimp and pasta dinner, will check further email, maybe have more to say later. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 26 21:12:18 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:12:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] music at heartland In-Reply-To: <4C4E4A30.20303@bradakis.com> References: <99986.3bdb3034.397f00bd@cs.com> <4C4E4A30.20303@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CCFB50A7FDA331-1550-5A01@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> so far........ acoustic guitar, harmonicas, bagpipes, and a dulcimer. some drums and a fife and we could march on the capital we could make some real noise. anyone else? From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Mon Jul 26 21:29:34 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg Lunker Hilyer) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:29:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Rent-a kid? FOT Autojumble In-Reply-To: <95e34.43258b17.397ef565@cs.com> References: <95e34.43258b17.397ef565@cs.com> Message-ID: <9EE6356A-0DB1-446D-A33B-BA7EBDE21657@earthlink.net> I'd be happy to share a vendor spot with other FoT. Anybody got a kid for rent? I too don't want to be tied down but would be happy to share with a caretaker. And... 7 days until the T-shirt order cut-off date. Get your orders in. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jul 26, 2010, at 8:27 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT, > > Ed Barnard's mention of bringing TR3A in parts for sale............. > > This is a case for the FOT renting one vendor spot together and > pooling > your racing and street spares for an FOT Autojumble. > > There is an indication that there will a large amount of Triumph Club > Activity, as well as 25 or so Racing Triumphs > > Tony Drews, Christian Marx, and I hope to show some New Product. > > Newly designed aluminum front hubs by Uncle Jack's Racing. > A new seal design for the rear of the crank by Christian Marx. > > The AMBRO will be on display along with the V-8 version, the Dio > Tipo 61. > The new AMBRO Body Kit will be on display, also, shown by Bill > Bonadio. > (There are two available) > > The new and gorgeous SCARAB with aluminum body will also be on > display. Of > course the major sponsor O'Reilley Auto Parts will have a candy > store under > canvas. > > And more. > > Joe A > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Jul 26 21:54:22 2010 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] music at heartland In-Reply-To: <8CCFB50A7FDA331-1550-5A01@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <965998.66809.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If I could get someone to strap a piano on their back I'll march with that group. -Ed- --- On Mon, 7/26/10, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: From: n197tr4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] music at heartland To: mark at bradakis.com, fot at autox.team.net Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 10:12 PM so far........ acoustic guitar, harmonicas, bagpipes, and a dulcimer. some drums and a fife and we could march on the capital we could make some real noise. anyone else? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Tue Jul 27 02:58:03 2010 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:58:03 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Looking for a car Message-ID: Friends A mate of mine is looking to get into racing a Triumph and is looking to buy a TR250 to import to Aus . Does anyone know of a good strait body and chassis . All the mechanicals will be rebuilt so they are not as important as the body and chassis , Has to have full trim also Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Jul 27 05:13:26 2010 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 07:13:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rent-a kid? FOT Autojumble References: <95e34.43258b17.397ef565@cs.com> <9EE6356A-0DB1-446D-A33B-BA7EBDE21657@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002001cb2d7c$bcaf70c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi Greg, I may or not go to OP. If I do, it'll be a western trip; you know, spur of the moment! I'm very busy with my house, farm, and that pesky job. My new trailer is great, though. Did I tell you I'm a socialist? Yup. Next Jan. I'll be getting SOCIAL security! Can't believe it. That proposed race at Laguna Seca next year sounds exciting; a trip of a lifetime for me. I want a shirt, let me know where to send the funds. Back to work. Bill By the way, are you taking your paddock hound to OP? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Lunker Hilyer" To: ; "fot Triumph" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:29 PM Subject: [Fot] Rent-a kid? FOT Autojumble > I'd be happy to share a vendor spot with other FoT. Anybody got a > kid for rent? I too don't want to be tied down but would be happy to > share with a caretaker. > And... 7 days until the T-shirt order cut-off date. Get your orders in. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > > > On Jul 26, 2010, at 8:27 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > FOT, > > > > Ed Barnard's mention of bringing TR3A in parts for sale............. > > > > This is a case for the FOT renting one vendor spot together and > > pooling > > your racing and street spares for an FOT Autojumble. > > > > There is an indication that there will a large amount of Triumph Club > > Activity, as well as 25 or so Racing Triumphs > > > > Tony Drews, Christian Marx, and I hope to show some New Product. > > > > Newly designed aluminum front hubs by Uncle Jack's Racing. > > A new seal design for the rear of the crank by Christian Marx. > > > > The AMBRO will be on display along with the V-8 version, the Dio > > Tipo 61. > > The new AMBRO Body Kit will be on display, also, shown by Bill > > Bonadio. > > (There are two available) > > > > The new and gorgeous SCARAB with aluminum body will also be on > > display. Of > > course the major sponsor O'Reilley Auto Parts will have a candy > > store under > > canvas. > > > > And more. > > > > Joe A > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin3 at verizon.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 27 07:09:59 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 09:09:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rent-a kid? FOT Autojumble In-Reply-To: <002001cb2d7c$bcaf70c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <95e34.43258b17.397ef565@cs.com><9EE6356A-0DB1-446D-A33B-BA7EBDE21657@earthlink.net> <002001cb2d7c$bcaf70c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <8CCFBA4265E03C6-2210-819F@webmail-m064.sysops.aol.com> Bill, You need to come to Heartland Park, one way or another. Some are flying in. I sense something very special about this event. Joe -----Original Message----- From: WILLIAM TOBIN To: Greg Lunker Hilyer ; N197TR4 at cs.com; fot Triumph Sent: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:13 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Rent-a kid? FOT Autojumble Hi Greg, I may or not go to OP. If I do, it'll be a western trip; you now, spur of the moment! I'm very busy with my house, farm, and that pesky job. My new trailer is reat, though. Did I tell you I'm a socialist? Yup. Next Jan. I'll be getting SOCIAL ecurity! Can't believe it. That proposed race at Laguna Seca next year sounds exciting; a trip of a ifetime for me. I want a shirt, let me know where to send the funds. Back to work. Bill By the way, are you taking your paddock hound to OP? ----- Original essage ----- From: "Greg Lunker Hilyer" To: ; "fot Triumph" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:29 PM Subject: [Fot] Rent-a kid? FOT Autojumble > I'd be happy to share a vendor spot with other FoT. Anybody got a > kid for rent? I too don't want to be tied down but would be happy to > share with a caretaker. > And... 7 days until the T-shirt order cut-off date. Get your orders in. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > > > On Jul 26, 2010, at 8:27 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > FOT, > > > > Ed Barnard's mention of bringing TR3A in parts for sale............. > > > > This is a case for the FOT renting one vendor spot together and > > pooling > > your racing and street spares for an FOT Autojumble. > > > > There is an indication that there will a large amount of Triumph Club > > Activity, as well as 25 or so Racing Triumphs > > > > Tony Drews, Christian Marx, and I hope to show some New Product. > > > > Newly designed aluminum front hubs by Uncle Jack's Racing. > > A new seal design for the rear of the crank by Christian Marx. > > > > The AMBRO will be on display along with the V-8 version, the Dio > > Tipo 61. > > The new AMBRO Body Kit will be on display, also, shown by Bill > > Bonadio. > > (There are two available) > > > > The new and gorgeous SCARAB with aluminum body will also be on > > display. Of > > course the major sponsor O'Reilley Auto Parts will have a candy > > store under > > canvas. > > > > And more. > > > > Joe A > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin3 at verizon.net From igofaster at att.net Tue Jul 27 08:43:28 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 07:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] music at heartland In-Reply-To: <8CCFB50A7FDA331-1550-5A01@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> References: <99986.3bdb3034.397f00bd@cs.com> <4C4E4A30.20303@bradakis.com> <8CCFB50A7FDA331-1550-5A01@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <866580.600.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> that better say acoustic guitars, PLURAL... I charge extra if I have to entertain anybody but myself. According to my wife, I'm easily entertained though... (read:cheap) I guess a few guys and gals heard me wailing on my guitar camped out with CVAR. If it's warm I'll set outside my trailer and sing into the metal door.. it gives me a little reverb and volume I can hear... of course, this is all after dark so I don't embarrass myself... Bobby ________________________________ From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" To: mark at bradakis.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, July 26, 2010 10:12:18 PM Subject: [Fot] music at heartland so far........ acoustic guitar, harmonicas, bagpipes, and a dulcimer. some drums and a fife and we could march on the capital we could make some real noise. anyone else? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 27 09:02:53 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:02:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Music at Heartland In-Reply-To: <866580.600.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <99986.3bdb3034.397f00bd@cs.com> <4C4E4A30.20303@bradakis.com> <8CCFB50A7FDA331-1550-5A01@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> <866580.600.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CCFBB3EC88C43C-197C-A377@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com> 'Bobby Guitar', With you younger folks it will get dark and late and very cool on Saturday nite. By then everyone will sound good and look good........ The older drivers will appear in the morning refreshed and ready. By then Age & Treachery has set in at full chat. Joe Alexander that better say acoustic guitars, PLURAL... I charge extra if I have to entertain anybody but myself. According to my wife, I'm easily entertained though... (read:cheap) I guess a few guys and gals heard me wailing on my guitar camped out with CVAR. If it's warm I'll set outside my trailer and sing into the metal door.. it gives me a little reverb and volume I can hear... of course, this is all after dark so I don't embarrass myself... Bobby From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" To: mark at bradakis.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, July 26, 2010 10:12:18 PM Subject: [Fot] music at heartland so far........ acoustic guitar, harmonicas, bagpipes, and a dulcimer. some drums and a fife and we could march on the capital we could make some real noise. anyone else? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From jmwagner at greenheart.com Tue Jul 27 13:50:18 2010 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:50:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Message-ID: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> FOT, In private email, I've been accused by a member of "posting trash" by sharing news that this guy I met at a car show has developed a product, as a result of my encouragement, for TR's. He also accused me of likely having a financial interest in making the post. (I do not.) He made it clear that such posts do not have a place on FOT and promised to call me on any future posts of the same ilk. He was also bitter that I had not coordinated some sort of discount for FOT or even some free products for members, to see if they will, indeed, fit and work on their cars. (Considering that the developer was probably only able to check to see if it fit a stock car with stock wheels, and probably not all of the Triumph range.) Never mind, that all I was doing was drawing members' attention to a web site and a potential product that might provide a competitive edge. I never claimed to be directly working with the seller. Personally, I just saw a product that looked good and was happy to see that the developer had taken my lead and is trying to make them available for our small niche market. I pointed my finger at his web site and provided a means of contacting the president of the company. From my perspective, all of you were welcome to evaluate the information on his web site and make direct contact with the vender if you had questions or wanted some consideration for trying it out on an unknown wheel size, etc. I'm not part of that loop and I don't care to be. I made no personal claims about the product other than sharing that I was impressed enough by his display at a show to encourage him to make the product for our cars. Even Kas commented "Looks like a good piece if it clears everything." upon looking at the website. So he saw promise in the product as I did. When my TR4A is back on the road, I will give the product a try. So I have some questions for the group.... Was my post inappropriate? In the future, if a member comes across a cool looking product, should he keep it to himself or only share it in private e-mails to friends? (As opposed to "Friends of Triumphs"???) If a member comes across a cool product, should he only bring it to the attention to the group, if, in his own time, he has personally tested the product and/or has managed to broker some special deal for FOT to get them at a discount? Is that the duty of a member here and the rule of the day for making such posts? It has blown my mind, on the newsgroups over the years, the issues that bring people to post vile responses to an innocent post or send private nasty-grams in e-mail. I was always cautious about selling my gaskets on the newsgroup and have always kept my posts (regarding my own products) minimal. Unlike many, I don't even put a link to my website at the bottom of my posts. However, my experience in developing those gaskets makes me particularly supportive of other entrepreneurs that develop products for our cars. It's a small market with a lot of people that cry out for the development of products, but then, many don't step up to the plate to make a purchase when it's available. It's difficult. It's a small market that most don't enter to become rich, but rather, to be in a position to earn earn a little money from one of their favorite hobbies. For a few, they're able to expand and go somewhere with a product line. For others, it may never have been intended to be anything more than a weekend hobby business or small retirement business. I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of some guidelines. I wonder what a group like this is for, if drawing attention to a product specifically being made for our cars, is crossing some sort of line. --Justin Wagner From jgambony at gcecisp.com Tue Jul 27 14:05:12 2010 From: jgambony at gcecisp.com (Jim Gambony) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:05:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs In-Reply-To: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> References: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <93EEC987EE454270A60B1DDBBF77F823@jrg> Justin, When looking at the website, the seller states that "Triumph TR Series : 1953 to 1976 (Front) Fade Stop Brake Cooler fitment has not been verified for this vehicle!" So... Do they need FOT to do evaluation testing? Is that why you brought it to the list's attention? The asking price is $99 plus tax and shipping. Any break for someone testing them? Just curious. Kind of steep for a simple heat sink. Gives me an idea though ;) Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 DM Spitfire And a barn full of toys -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Justin Wagner Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 10:46 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs Last year I went to a Nissan/Datsun show (being a 240Z fan).... and I noticed this vender selling these very unique brake coolers. This lead to a conversation with the President of the company, Joe Demers, and the suggestion that he make them available for Triumphs. He followed through and has since developed the product for Triumphs. He just made me aware of this in the last week, so I haven't had an opportunity to order a pair for myself, but I plan to. These aren't snake oil. I think he really has a great product. I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. Let Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin ______________________________________________________________ Dr. Joseph R. Demers, President Four Products LLC 4821 Bakman Ave. Suite 305 North Hollywood, CA 91601 (P) (626) 636-0507 (F) (323) 856-6156 http://www.fourproducts.com/V_Triumph_TR.htm _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jgambony at gcecisp.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.839 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2971 - Release Date: 06/29/10 13:35:00 From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jul 27 14:11:14 2010 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:11:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Message-ID: <524653.76815.qm@smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I say Yes, even if you have an interest as long as it is stated and it is Triumph related. Paul Like all the other posts that we get, if you don't like it hit delete...before you type out a crapgram. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Justin Wagner Sent: July 27, 2010 3:50 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? FOT, I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of some guidelines. I wonder what a group like this is for, if drawing attention to a product specifically being made for our cars, is crossing some sort of line. --Justin Wagner _______________________________________________ From s.janzen at comcast.net Tue Jul 27 14:27:49 2010 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:27:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: I am on this list to learn from others and for the entertainment value. I think it's helpful to hear about an unusual product or a great deal on a car or parts - I bought a TR4 roller this year because Joe posted its availability to this group. Was that posting inappropriate? I don't see that your posting is any different. Do I want to hear about something Moss or Victoria British is offering - no , I can find that on my own. Something unique or low volume is of interest, however, and I think the product you mentioned fits the racing criteria for this group as well. Specially constructed products for our 40+ year old cars is a niche market. I'm happy that people continue to come up with better ways to repair and improve our old cars, and I'm inclined to agree that it's more of a hobby than a big profit center (probably answers someone's question from the other day of why Moss doesn't have a catalog for the early Spits - there's so few left that there's no money in it). Sorry someone dumped on you. I look at the subject and hit the delete button if I'm not interested. I think you were clear that you had no financial interest, and were passing along something you thought was neat but could not vouch for. Discounts? See my comment about hobbyist production. If you think it's too expensive, make it yourself or don't buy it. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Jul 27 14:29:11 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:29:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs In-Reply-To: <93EEC987EE454270A60B1DDBBF77F823@jrg> References: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> <93EEC987EE454270A60B1DDBBF77F823@jrg> Message-ID: <01a901cb2dca$62637500$272a5f00$@rr.com> > Kind of steep for a simple heat sink. Gives me an idea though ;) If you are looking for ideas, I saw something interesting on the wife's non-LBC the other day. It has a plate near the disc, much like the original "dust shields" on TRs. The difference is that the bottom edge of the plate extends down so it almost touches the wheel, and has an angled scoop that follows the inside of the wheel. I think it's clear that the scoop is supposed to pick up the layer of air that is moving with the wheel, and direct it up across the inner surface of the disc for additional cooling. -- Randall From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Jul 27 14:42:15 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:42:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? References: <524653.76815.qm@smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <77971E0E7C31429399795CEA7402F51E@latitudefb1e41> Justin, Your subject line says Commerical Posts - YES or NO?....and then the posting goes on to wonder if drawing attention to a specific product is crossing some sort of line. With those statements you can get both yes and no answers with writers meaning the same thing. I think Paul meant NO, it is not crossing some sort of line, so YES to commercial posts (correct me if I am wrong). I would say MAYBE! Product development shared with others in the FOT has been helpfull to many of us over the years but an open door to everyday blatent Commercial Postings could and would offend many. I think whoever wrote that private note to you made the assumption that your's was one of those types. List members developed the Southwick axle conversion, uprated front stub axles and hubs and other beneficial products like a valve cover gasket. The products were shared individually to known interested parties during development and later they went public. I think many people on the list prefer this low key, minimal approach, but sometimes a product or service comes out that might benefit us all right away. I bought 24 quarts of 20w50 VR1 after someone on the list posted that AutoZone had them on sale for $2.00 each. I wouldn't have known about that and I appreciated the post. TYVM. I hope the guy didn't work for AutoZone :( Anyhow, I think the answer to commercial posts can't be defined as yes or know. It has to be defined in its purpose. Is the post designed to help your friends that love racing Triumphs? Post it. Everyone may not agree with what I have written but by that standard I think your post was fine. IMHO Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "macdonaldp" To: "'Justin Wagner'" ; "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? >I say Yes, even if you have an interest as long as it is stated and it is > Triumph related. > > Paul > > Like all the other posts that we get, if you don't like it hit > delete...before you type out a crapgram. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Justin Wagner > Sent: July 27, 2010 3:50 PM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? > > FOT, > > > I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of > some guidelines. I wonder what a group like this is for, if drawing > attention to a product specifically being made for our cars, is crossing > some sort of line. > > --Justin Wagner > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Jul 27 14:44:11 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:44:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <01aa01cb2dcc$788d5e20$69a81a60$@rr.com> > I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of > some guidelines. My opinion : This is MJB's forum, he gets first chance at dictating any rules or guidelines. Presumably, these apply: http://www.team.net/www/corp-use.html IMO, Justin's post fit perfectly within those stated guidelines. In addition, I feel it was exactly the sort of information that *I* would like to see posted; even though I am not particularly interested in trying the product. In this case, he had no financial interest; but I also welcome posts even from those with a financial interest, as long as the item is novel or not likely to be known to the majority of the group, and relevant to Triumph racing. Justin's announcement of his excellent silicone rocker cover gaskets a few years back comes to mind as a perfect example of a desirable "commercial" post. Unless your off-list message came from MJB himself (and I'm confident it did not), then I would write it off to "you can't please all the people all the time". IMO, NFI, YMMV, etc. -- Randall From jgambony at gcecisp.com Tue Jul 27 14:50:42 2010 From: jgambony at gcecisp.com (Jim Gambony) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:50:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <092ED5A736BC48CCB77F30EF947C59C2@jrg> Justin, I never had a problem with your posting the product, only that you endorsed it then suggested that it might not actually work on a TR. Why endorse it then? And the line " I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. Let Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin" Implies that there is a financial interest on your part. Just be up front. Then there's no objection. Cheers, Jim Dallas Spitfire(s) From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jul 27 14:54:44 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:54:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> <092ED5A736BC48CCB77F30EF947C59C2@jrg> Message-ID: <6060548F1AA9425690FD950A08399B34@Bud> I think I'm gonna watch Clarkson drive the Reliant Robin now.(:>).......RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gambony" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? > Justin, > > I never had a problem with your posting the product, only that you > endorsed > it then suggested that it might not actually work on a TR. Why endorse it > then? > > And the line " > I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. Let > Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin" > > Implies that there is a financial interest on your part. > > > Just be up front. Then there's no objection. > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > Spitfire(s) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From adams910 at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 15:05:41 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:05:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: Seemed in line to me. More in line than 2/3's of the messages on this list which having nothing to do with anything racing Triumphs. Heck the fact that this conversation is taking place and will get the response it will get makes my point. Last week I tried to have a discussion concerning what is a very relevant Triumph racing topic and no one really had anything to add except Terry Setler (thanks Terry). Even if you disagreed with what I was saying, at least say something and present your viewpoint. Those who know me know I'm not a Triumph guy and serve as a "go between" since I happen to check my email more frequently than the rest of the crew. Having my inbox fill up over nothing is old and uninteresting. Maybe if the FOT ever makes it to a bb/forum format I might pop in here and there, but I'm bailing on the list. Can't say I ever understood the whole FOT "club" anyway. Triumphs are common people's cars, open it up to the public. I know a few sharp racing people who would probably chime in from time to time, but are totally uninterested in the current format. My. 02 Later From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jul 27 15:25:30 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:25:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <227A281B9E4446E4BBD616FE8C2CEE3F@joepentiumnew> Sounds to me like that is best for everybody! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Adams Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:06 PM To: Justin Wagner Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Seemed in line to me. More in line than 2/3's of the messages on this list which having nothing to do with anything racing Triumphs. Heck the fact that this conversation is taking place and will get the response it will get makes my point. Last week I tried to have a discussion concerning what is a very relevant Triumph racing topic and no one really had anything to add except Terry Setler (thanks Terry). Even if you disagreed with what I was saying, at least say something and present your viewpoint. Those who know me know I'm not a Triumph guy and serve as a "go between" since I happen to check my email more frequently than the rest of the crew. Having my inbox fill up over nothing is old and uninteresting. Maybe if the FOT ever makes it to a bb/forum format I might pop in here and there, but I'm bailing on the list. Can't say I ever understood the whole FOT "club" anyway. Triumphs are common people's cars, open it up to the public. I know a few sharp racing people who would probably chime in from time to time, but are totally uninterested in the current format. My. 02 Later From jgambony at gcecisp.com Tue Jul 27 15:50:11 2010 From: jgambony at gcecisp.com (Jim Gambony) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:50:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [fot] commercial messages fallout In-Reply-To: <227A281B9E4446E4BBD616FE8C2CEE3F@joepentiumnew> References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> <227A281B9E4446E4BBD616FE8C2CEE3F@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <9F44B920A3C2410AA568199065AB4218@jrg> Sounds like it's time for me to ungracefully bow out of FOT. Been intesting overall, althought all the technical information for Spitfire racing is in "Kas's" books. So not much of value on this list. So time to depart from this list. Cheers, Jim Dallas Spitfire(s) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:26 PM To: 'Bob Adams'; 'Justin Wagner' Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Sounds to me like that is best for everybody! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Adams Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:06 PM To: Justin Wagner Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Seemed in line to me. More in line than 2/3's of the messages on this list which having nothing to do with anything racing Triumphs. Heck the fact that this conversation is taking place and will get the response it will get makes my point. Last week I tried to have a discussion concerning what is a very relevant Triumph racing topic and no one really had anything to add except Terry Setler (thanks Terry). Even if you disagreed with what I was saying, at least say something and present your viewpoint. Those who know me know I'm not a Triumph guy and serve as a "go between" since I happen to check my email more frequently than the rest of the crew. Having my inbox fill up over nothing is old and uninteresting. Maybe if the FOT ever makes it to a bb/forum format I might pop in here and there, but I'm bailing on the list. Can't say I ever understood the whole FOT "club" anyway. Triumphs are common people's cars, open it up to the public. I know a few sharp racing people who would probably chime in from time to time, but are totally uninterested in the current format. My. 02 Later _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jgambony at gcecisp.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3029 - Release Date: 07/27/10 01:09:00 From billb at bnj.com Tue Jul 27 19:22:30 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:22:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: Silly stuff. On the internet there is always someone ready to tell you what you should or should not do--some of that spills to the FOT. If it's Joe, or Mark, then take heed. If it's not, then it's about as legitimate and useful as if I made the comment--in other words, not at all. I was interested enough in the product to ping Tony Garmey about it. Of course he asked if I had brake fade, and I had to say "Oh, well, I guess not. Never mind." Still, anyone finding something "new" for our cars should share it, and I don't care if it's the manufacturer. I think this whole "no financial interest" thing is silly. What are we, communists? If someone figures out how to make millions selling to the remaining 100 or so people racing Triumph powered cars then I say, more power to them. This is really a very well behaved list peopled with nice folks. I belong to Vincent motorcycle list that has that is peopled with the nastiest, grumpiest, touchiest, most egomaniacal bunch of old bastards I've ever encountered. Of the few hundred people on the list only one or two would be welcome in my home. If it weren't for the technical content I'd wash my hands of the lot of them. I certainly can't say that about the FOT. Fine folks every one. Just sometimes people forget that not everyone shares their ideas about what is proper. And no one gets to make a citizen's arrest. From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue Jul 27 20:11:08 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 02:11:08 GMT Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Message-ID: <20100727.221108.29004.1@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Having recently posted the availability of some free Spitfire parts and a Spitfire for sale (NFI), I obviously have no problem with such postings. How else are we to hear about such items, some of which have made huge safety improvements with our cars. These include the Southwick rear axle conversion, the Southwick front hubs and the uprated front spindles. Whether it is body parts, go fast parts or safety related parts I want to hear about them. Finding out what is available is one of the many big values of networking on this list Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Justin Wagner To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:50:18 -0700 FOT,... So I have some questions for the group.... Was my post inappropriate? In the future, if a member comes across a cool looking product, should he keep it to himself or only share it in private e-mails to friends? (As opposed to "Friends of Triumphs"???) If a member comes across a cool product, should he only bring it to the attention to the group, if, in his own time, he has personally tested the product and/or has managed to broker some special deal for FOT to get them at a discount? Is that the duty of a member here and the rule of the day for making such posts? ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c4f91c9202cc46c18dst03duc From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jul 27 14:00:11 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:00:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <7C4BD27B1A4440A6AD29E268B36A62BA@Bud> Hi Justin...I welcome info such as websites....that's one of the ways we help each other...Do not let yourself feel 'guilty'. Regards.. Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 12:50 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? > FOT, > > In private email, I've been accused by a member of "posting trash" by > sharing news that this guy I met at a car show has developed a product, as > a result of my encouragement, for TR's. > He also accused me of likely having a financial interest in making the > post. (I do not.) > > He made it clear that such posts do not have a place on FOT and promised > to call me on any future posts of the same ilk. > > He was also bitter that I had not coordinated some sort of discount for > FOT or even some free products for members, to see if they will, indeed, > fit and work on their cars. (Considering that the developer was probably > only able to check to see if it fit a stock car with stock wheels, and > probably not all of the Triumph range.) Never mind, that all I was doing > was drawing members' attention to a web site and a potential product that > might provide a competitive edge. I never claimed to be directly working > with the seller. > > Personally, I just saw a product that looked good and was happy to see > that the developer had taken my lead and is trying to make them available > for our small niche market. > > I pointed my finger at his web site and provided a means of contacting the > president of the company. From my perspective, all of you were welcome to > evaluate the information on his web site and make direct contact with the > vender if you had questions or wanted some consideration for trying it out > on an unknown wheel size, etc. I'm not part of that loop and I don't care > to be. > > I made no personal claims about the product other than sharing that I was > impressed enough by his display at a show to encourage him to make the > product for our cars. Even Kas commented "Looks like a good piece if it > clears everything." upon looking at the website. So he saw promise in > the product as I did. When my TR4A is back on the road, I will give the > product a try. > > So I have some questions for the group.... > > Was my post inappropriate? > > In the future, if a member comes across a cool looking product, should he > keep it to himself or only share it in private e-mails to friends? (As > opposed to "Friends of Triumphs"???) > > If a member comes across a cool product, should he only bring it to the > attention to the group, if, in his own time, he has personally tested the > product and/or has managed to broker some special deal for FOT to get them > at a discount? Is that the duty of a member here and the rule of the day > for making such posts? > > It has blown my mind, on the newsgroups over the years, the issues that > bring people to post vile responses to an innocent post or send private > nasty-grams in e-mail. > > I was always cautious about selling my gaskets on the newsgroup and have > always kept my posts (regarding my own products) minimal. Unlike many, I > don't even put a link to my website at the bottom of my posts. However, > my experience in developing those gaskets makes me particularly supportive > of other entrepreneurs that develop products for our cars. It's a small > market with a lot of people that cry out for the development of products, > but then, many don't step up to the plate to make a purchase when it's > available. It's difficult. It's a small market that most don't enter to > become rich, but rather, to be in a position to earn earn a little money > from one of their favorite hobbies. For a few, they're able to expand and > go somewhere with a product line. For others, it may never have been > intended to be anything more than a weekend hobby business or small > retirement business. > > I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of some > guidelines. I wonder what a group like this is for, if drawing attention > to a product specifically being made for our cars, is crossing some sort > of line. > > --Justin Wagner > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jul 27 14:07:38 2010 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:07:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <620433.54694.qm@smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I say Yes, even if you have an interest as long as it is stated and it is Triumph related. Paul Like all the other posts that we get, if you don't like it hit delete...before you type out a crapgram. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Justin Wagner Sent: July 27, 2010 3:50 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? FOT, In private email, I've been accused by a member of "posting trash" by sharing news that this guy I met at a car show has developed a product, as a result of my encouragement, for TR's. He also accused me of likely having a financial interest in making the post. (I do not.) He made it clear that such posts do not have a place on FOT and promised to call me on any future posts of the same ilk. He was also bitter that I had not coordinated some sort of discount for FOT or even some free products for members, to see if they will, indeed, fit and work on their cars. (Considering that the developer was probably only able to check to see if it fit a stock car with stock wheels, and probably not all of the Triumph range.) Never mind, that all I was doing was drawing members' attention to a web site and a potential product that might provide a competitive edge. I never claimed to be directly working with the seller. Personally, I just saw a product that looked good and was happy to see that the developer had taken my lead and is trying to make them available for our small niche market. I pointed my finger at his web site and provided a means of contacting the president of the company. From my perspective, all of you were welcome to evaluate the information on his web site and make direct contact with the vender if you had questions or wanted some consideration for trying it out on an unknown wheel size, etc. I'm not part of that loop and I don't care to be. I made no personal claims about the product other than sharing that I was impressed enough by his display at a show to encourage him to make the product for our cars. Even Kas commented "Looks like a good piece if it clears everything." upon looking at the website. So he saw promise in the product as I did. When my TR4A is back on the road, I will give the product a try. So I have some questions for the group.... Was my post inappropriate? In the future, if a member comes across a cool looking product, should he keep it to himself or only share it in private e-mails to friends? (As opposed to "Friends of Triumphs"???) If a member comes across a cool product, should he only bring it to the attention to the group, if, in his own time, he has personally tested the product and/or has managed to broker some special deal for FOT to get them at a discount? Is that the duty of a member here and the rule of the day for making such posts? It has blown my mind, on the newsgroups over the years, the issues that bring people to post vile responses to an innocent post or send private nasty-grams in e-mail. I was always cautious about selling my gaskets on the newsgroup and have always kept my posts (regarding my own products) minimal. Unlike many, I don't even put a link to my website at the bottom of my posts. However, my experience in developing those gaskets makes me particularly supportive of other entrepreneurs that develop products for our cars. It's a small market with a lot of people that cry out for the development of products, but then, many don't step up to the plate to make a purchase when it's available. It's difficult. It's a small market that most don't enter to become rich, but rather, to be in a position to earn earn a little money from one of their favorite hobbies. For a few, they're able to expand and go somewhere with a product line. For others, it may never have been intended to be anything more than a weekend hobby business or small retirement business. I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of some guidelines. I wonder what a group like this is for, if drawing attention to a product specifically being made for our cars, is crossing some sort of line. --Justin Wagner _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From riverside at southslope.net Tue Jul 27 14:49:44 2010 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:49:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <00dd01cb2dcd$3e740e90$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> I followed the thread closely and never once did occur to me that anything inappropriate was going on. I welcome news on products being provided by FOT members or any vendors they encounter. art de armond ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:50 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? > FOT, > > In private email, I've been accused by a member of "posting trash" by > sharing news that this guy I met at a car show has developed a product, as > a result of my encouragement, for TR's. > He also accused me of likely having a financial interest in making the > post. (I do not.) > > He made it clear that such posts do not have a place on FOT and promised > to call me on any future posts of the same ilk. > > He was also bitter that I had not coordinated some sort of discount for > FOT or even some free products for members, to see if they will, indeed, > fit and work on their cars. (Considering that the developer was probably > only able to check to see if it fit a stock car with stock wheels, and > probably not all of the Triumph range.) Never mind, that all I was doing > was drawing members' attention to a web site and a potential product that > might provide a competitive edge. I never claimed to be directly working > with the seller. > > Personally, I just saw a product that looked good and was happy to see > that the developer had taken my lead and is trying to make them available > for our small niche market. > > I pointed my finger at his web site and provided a means of contacting the > president of the company. From my perspective, all of you were welcome to > evaluate the information on his web site and make direct contact with the > vender if you had questions or wanted some consideration for trying it out > on an unknown wheel size, etc. I'm not part of that loop and I don't care > to be. > > I made no personal claims about the product other than sharing that I was > impressed enough by his display at a show to encourage him to make the > product for our cars. Even Kas commented "Looks like a good piece if it > clears everything." upon looking at the website. So he saw promise in > the product as I did. When my TR4A is back on the road, I will give the > product a try. > > So I have some questions for the group.... > > Was my post inappropriate? > > In the future, if a member comes across a cool looking product, should he > keep it to himself or only share it in private e-mails to friends? (As > opposed to "Friends of Triumphs"???) > > If a member comes across a cool product, should he only bring it to the > attention to the group, if, in his own time, he has personally tested the > product and/or has managed to broker some special deal for FOT to get them > at a discount? Is that the duty of a member here and the rule of the day > for making such posts? > > It has blown my mind, on the newsgroups over the years, the issues that > bring people to post vile responses to an innocent post or send private > nasty-grams in e-mail. > > I was always cautious about selling my gaskets on the newsgroup and have > always kept my posts (regarding my own products) minimal. Unlike many, I > don't even put a link to my website at the bottom of my posts. However, > my experience in developing those gaskets makes me particularly supportive > of other entrepreneurs that develop products for our cars. It's a small > market with a lot of people that cry out for the development of products, > but then, many don't step up to the plate to make a purchase when it's > available. It's difficult. It's a small market that most don't enter to > become rich, but rather, to be in a position to earn earn a little money > from one of their favorite hobbies. For a few, they're able to expand and > go somewhere with a product line. For others, it may never have been > intended to be anything more than a weekend hobby business or small > retirement business. > > I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of some > guidelines. I wonder what a group like this is for, if drawing attention > to a product specifically being made for our cars, is crossing some sort > of line. > > --Justin Wagner > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net From igofaster at att.net Tue Jul 27 18:20:23 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <932092.87397.qm@web180809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> So.... if I recommended Quantum Mechanics for our transmissions and the forgiving and honorable efforts made by them to get something that I can actually use, is that OK? I've mentioned all my problems with John @ Quantum Mechanics and he has responded with grace, competitiveness, and warranty work on blown gearboxes. All on FoT. While we're at it, I just got a set of Mikuni carb's for my GT6 from Chris at prirace.com .... bad ass stuff and THIS guy really appears to know what he's doing... Check out HIS website... and no, the only financial benefit to me is I'm sending him money for really nice stuff... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Justin Wagner To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Tue, July 27, 2010 2:50:18 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? FOT, In private email, I've been accused by a member of "posting trash" by sharing news that this guy I met at a car show has developed a product, as a result of my encouragement, for TR's. He also accused me of likely having a financial interest in making the post. (I do not.) He made it clear that such posts do not have a place on FOT and promised to call me on any future posts of the same ilk. He was also bitter that I had not coordinated some sort of discount for FOT or even some free products for members, to see if they will, indeed, fit and work on their cars. (Considering that the developer was probably only able to check to see if it fit a stock car with stock wheels, and probably not all of the Triumph range.) Never mind, that all I was doing was drawing members' attention to a web site and a potential product that might provide a competitive edge. I never claimed to be directly working with the seller. Personally, I just saw a product that looked good and was happy to see that the developer had taken my lead and is trying to make them available for our small niche market. I pointed my finger at his web site and provided a means of contacting the president of the company. From my perspective, all of you were welcome to evaluate the information on his web site and make direct contact with the vender if you had questions or wanted some consideration for trying it out on an unknown wheel size, etc. I'm not part of that loop and I don't care to be. I made no personal claims about the product other than sharing that I was impressed enough by his display at a show to encourage him to make the product for our cars. Even Kas commented "Looks like a good piece if it clears everything." upon looking at the website. So he saw promise in the product as I did. When my TR4A is back on the road, I will give the product a try. So I have some questions for the group.... Was my post inappropriate? In the future, if a member comes across a cool looking product, should he keep it to himself or only share it in private e-mails to friends? (As opposed to "Friends of Triumphs"???) If a member comes across a cool product, should he only bring it to the attention to the group, if, in his own time, he has personally tested the product and/or has managed to broker some special deal for FOT to get them at a discount? Is that the duty of a member here and the rule of the day for making such posts? It has blown my mind, on the newsgroups over the years, the issues that bring people to post vile responses to an innocent post or send private nasty-grams in e-mail. I was always cautious about selling my gaskets on the newsgroup and have always kept my posts (regarding my own products) minimal. Unlike many, I don't even put a link to my website at the bottom of my posts. However, my experience in developing those gaskets makes me particularly supportive of other entrepreneurs that develop products for our cars. It's a small market with a lot of people that cry out for the development of products, but then, many don't step up to the plate to make a purchase when it's available. It's difficult. It's a small market that most don't enter to become rich, but rather, to be in a position to earn earn a little money from one of their favorite hobbies. For a few, they're able to expand and go somewhere with a product line. For others, it may never have been intended to be anything more than a weekend hobby business or small retirement business. I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of some guidelines. I wonder what a group like this is for, if drawing attention to a product specifically being made for our cars, is crossing some sort of line. --Justin Wagner _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue Jul 27 20:03:58 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 02:03:58 GMT Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Message-ID: <20100727.220358.29004.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Having recently posted the availability of some free Spitfire parts and a Spitfire for sale (NFI), I obviously have no problem with such postings. How else are we to hear about such items, some of which have made huge safety improvements with our cars. These include the Southwick rear axle conversion, the Southwick front hubs and the uprated front spindles. Whether it is body parts, go fast parts or safety related parts I want to hear about them. Finding out what is available is one of the many big values of networking on this list Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Justin Wagner To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:50:18 -0700 FOT, In private email, I've been accused by a member of "posting trash" by sharing news that this guy I met at a car show has developed a product, as a result of my encouragement, for TR's. He also accused me of likely having a financial interest in making the post. (I do not.) He made it clear that such posts do not have a place on FOT and promised to call me on any future posts of the same ilk. He was also bitter that I had not coordinated some sort of discount for FOT or even some free products for members, to see if they will, indeed, fit and work on their cars. (Considering that the developer was probably only able to check to see if it fit a stock car with stock wheels, and probably not all of the Triumph range.) Never mind, that all I was doing was drawing members' attention to a web site and a potential product that might provide a competitive edge. I never claimed to be directly working with the seller. Personally, I just saw a product that looked good and was happy to see that the developer had taken my lead and is trying to make them available for our small niche market. I pointed my finger at his web site and provided a means of contacting the president of the company. From my perspective, all of you were welcome to evaluate the information on his web site and make direct contact with the vender if you had questions or wanted some consideration for trying it out on an unknown wheel size, etc. I'm not part of that loop and I don't care to be. I made no personal claims about the product other than sharing that I was impressed enough by his display at a show to encourage him to make the product for our cars. Even Kas commented "Looks like a good piece if it clears everything." upon looking at the website. So he saw promise in the product as I did. When my TR4A is back on the road, I will give the product a try. So I have some questions for the group.... Was my post inappropriate? In the future, if a member comes across a cool looking product, should he keep it to himself or only share it in private e-mails to friends? (As opposed to "Friends of Triumphs"???) If a member comes across a cool product, should he only bring it to the attention to the group, if, in his own time, he has personally tested the product and/or has managed to broker some special deal for FOT to get them at a discount? Is that the duty of a member here and the rule of the day for making such posts? It has blown my mind, on the newsgroups over the years, the issues that bring people to post vile responses to an innocent post or send private nasty-grams in e-mail. I was always cautious about selling my gaskets on the newsgroup and have always kept my posts (regarding my own products) minimal. Unlike many, I don't even put a link to my website at the bottom of my posts. However, my experience in developing those gaskets makes me particularly supportive of other entrepreneurs that develop products for our cars. It's a small market with a lot of people that cry out for the development of products, but then, many don't step up to the plate to make a purchase when it's available. It's difficult. It's a small market that most don't enter to become rich, but rather, to be in a position to earn earn a little money from one of their favorite hobbies. For a few, they're able to expand and go somewhere with a product line. For others, it may never have been intended to be anything more than a weekend hobby business or small retirement business. I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of some guidelines. I wonder what a group like this is for, if drawing attention to a product specifically being made for our cars, is crossing some sort of line. --Justin Wagner _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Natural Arthritis Cure Say goodbye arthritis drugs. Aches disappear with raisin remedy. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c4f905abc6d0491bbdst02duc From jmwagner at greenheart.com Wed Jul 28 00:24:21 2010 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:24:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <20100728002936.K180O.206021.imail@fed1rmwml37> References: <20100728002936.K180O.206021.imail@fed1rmwml37> Message-ID: <4C4FCD15.7080807@greenheart.com> Thanks Kas. Yes folks, let's call it done. I appreciate the posts. It's one of those issues that comes up, now and then, and it just needs a little discussion to put it to rest until someone else cries foul. --Justin Kas Kastner wrote: >Okay, enough. No one is too unhappy, but for now, I think this has been worked to death. From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 28 08:19:52 2010 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys In-Reply-To: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> References: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <107185.34023.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - I am working on a narrow belt conversion using the stock TR4/3 crank pulleys. If any of you have crank pulley pieces and parts that you could part with for my experiment - bring them to Topeka. See you all soon Dennis From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Jul 28 08:36:25 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:36:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys Message-ID: <82.99.03848.950405C4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Dennis, What I think we need is a balancer pulley kit that slows down the water pump and alternator. I always have trouble visualizing this, but I think smaller crank pulley slows down the other two? Is this in your plan? -----Original Message----- From: Dennis DeLap Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:19 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys AMICI - I am working on a narrow belt conversion using the stock TR4/3 crank pulleys. If any of you have crank pulley pieces and parts that you could part with for my experiment - bring them to Topeka. See you all soon Dennis _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Jul 28 09:25:07 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:25:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys now used scroll seals, too Message-ID: <49159.48cf4c76.3981a5d3@cs.com> Dennis, I'll look for some in my stash.... I also need 7 more used scroll seals to get a production run of 10 modified ones for Chris' new split seal. Thanks, Joe > AMICI - I am working on a narrow belt conversion using the stock TR4/3 > crank > pulleys. If any of you have crank pulley pieces and parts that you could > part > with for my experiment - bring them to Topeka. > > See you all soon > Dennis > From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Jul 28 12:36:06 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:36:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys In-Reply-To: <82.99.03848.950405C4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <82.99.03848.950405C4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <4C507896.5020208@pobox.com> Starting with a stock pulley is a good approach. I made my own pulley and started by doing a little machine work on a stock pulley hub and used. This greatly simplified the part I had to make. I used the bolt on balancer that BFE and others sell. I wanted to make it small to slow down the water pump and alternator, but the size was limited by the harmonic balancer. I wanted to see if I could find a smaller bolt on balancer, but never got around to it. There is a place that specializes in dampers - damper doctor or something like that. Unfortunately, I didn't take any photos of the pulley. I may have some sketches. Larry Young Bob Kramer wrote: > Dennis, > What I think we need is a balancer pulley kit that slows down the water pump > and alternator. I always have trouble visualizing this, but I think smaller > crank pulley slows down the other two? Is this in your plan? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis DeLap > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:19 AM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys > > AMICI - I am working on a narrow belt conversion using the stock TR4/3 crank > pulleys. If any of you have crank pulley pieces and parts that you could > part > with for my experiment - bring them to Topeka. > > See you all soon > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Wed Jul 28 16:00:33 2010 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:00:33 +1000 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Message-ID: as a business owner, i tread very carefully on non-commercial forums like these. if i manage to create something really unusual that i think would interest others, i might post something to that effect, but then cease any commercial dealings via the forum. there are plenty of other forums/sites where businesses can pay to advertise their wares here in Australia, triumphs have always been a collector/niche market car, with a relatively small "following". Despite the vast size of our country, most enthusiasts, especially historic racers, know each other personally or at least by reputation. we dont have the huge numbers in any one city/state to share experiences with, so forums like this are good repository of knowledge & experience, and especially to find new products or pose a question like "who knows something about XYZ". to the forum moderators, please don't make rules so tight, that some Triumph enthusiast, who happens to be a business owner, feels threatened to tell others about his good idea/product. I would not support any notion that this forum is a place for businesses to actively sell a range of products. Terry O'Beirne. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Jul 28 16:07:09 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:07:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys References: <82.99.03848.950405C4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <4C507896.5020208@pobox.com> Message-ID: Somebody asked about why we just don't use a bigger water pump pulley. the answer is there isn't any room because of the thermostat neck cast into the head. There might be a little room for upsizing but the aftermarket kits all seem to have pretty small water pump pullies. My newest TR4, the ex-Dennis Shea car came with a fluid-dampner modified to fit with a small pulley on the front side. This moved the alternator and water pump pullies forward of the stock location allowing an oversize home-made custom water pump pulley. It also has a FIAT radiator of unknown source. That car can idle in my driveway like a stock TR4. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Young To: Bob Kramer ; FOT ; Dennis DeLap Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys Starting with a stock pulley is a good approach. I made my own pulley and started by doing a little machine work on a stock pulley hub and used. This greatly simplified the part I had to make. I used the bolt on balancer that BFE and others sell. I wanted to make it small to slow down the water pump and alternator, but the size was limited by the harmonic balancer. I wanted to see if I could find a smaller bolt on balancer, but never got around to it. There is a place that specializes in dampers - damper doctor or something like that. Unfortunately, I didn't take any photos of the pulley. I may have some sketches. Larry Young Bob Kramer wrote: Dennis, What I think we need is a balancer pulley kit that slows down the water pump and alternator. I always have trouble visualizing this, but I think smaller crank pulley slows down the other two? Is this in your plan? -----Original Message----- From: Dennis DeLap Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:19 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys AMICI - I am working on a narrow belt conversion using the stock TR4/3 crank pulleys. If any of you have crank pulley pieces and parts that you could part with for my experiment - bring them to Topeka. See you all soon Dennis _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 28 19:21:52 2010 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys In-Reply-To: References: <82.99.03848.950405C4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <4C507896.5020208@pobox.com> Message-ID: <422746.81629.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey guys - sounds like I am doing a similar pulley invention. I am using the stock hub with two of the rear pulley halves. This gives me a smaller pulley diameter using a narrow belt with nice sealing and adjustment options. I am bolting a harmonic balancer to the front of this assembly without using it's belt groove. I'll show you what I have done so far when we get together in Topeka. Dennis Somebody asked about why we just don't use a bigger water pump pulley. the answer is there isn't any room because of the thermostat neck cast into the head. There might be a little room for upsizing but the aftermarket kits all seem to have pretty small water pump pullies. My newest TR4, the ex-Dennis Shea car came with a fluid-dampner modified to fit with a small pulley on the front side. This moved the alternator and water pump pullies forward of the stock location allowing an oversize home-made custom water pump pulley. It also has a FIAT radiator of unknown source. That car can idle in my driveway like a stock TR4. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- >From: Larry Young >To: Bob Kramer ; FOT ; Dennis DeLap >Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 1:36 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys > >Starting with a stock pulley is a good approach. I made my own pulley and >started by doing a little machine work on a stock pulley hub and used. This >greatly simplified the part I had to make. I used the bolt on balancer that BFE >and others sell. I wanted to make it small to slow down the water pump and >alternator, but the size was limited by the harmonic balancer. I wanted to see >if I could find a smaller bolt on balancer, but never got around to it. There >is a place that specializes in dampers - damper doctor or something like that. >Unfortunately, I didn't take any photos of the pulley. I may have some >sketches. >Larry Young > >Bob Kramer wrote: >Dennis, What I think we need is a balancer pulley kit that slows down the water >pump and alternator. I always have trouble visualizing this, but I think smaller >crank pulley slows down the other two? Is this in your plan? -----Original >Message----- From: Dennis DeLap Sent: Wednesday, >July 28, 2010 9:19 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] >Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys AMICI - I am working on a narrow belt conversion >using the stock TR4/3 crank pulleys. If any of you have crank pulley pieces and >parts that you could part with for my experiment - bring them to Topeka. See >you all soon Dennis _______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: >http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: >http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net >http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: >http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Jul 28 20:11:30 2010 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:11:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: well said Terry ! > From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:00:33 +1000 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? > > as a business owner, i tread very carefully on non-commercial forums like > these. if i manage to create something really unusual that i think would > interest others, i might post something to that effect, but then cease any > commercial dealings via the forum. there are plenty of other forums/sites > where businesses can pay to advertise their wares > > here in Australia, triumphs have always been a collector/niche market car, > with a relatively small "following". Despite the vast size of our country, > most enthusiasts, especially historic racers, know each other personally or > at least by reputation. we dont have the huge numbers in any one city/state > to share experiences with, so forums like this are good repository of > knowledge & experience, and especially to find new products or pose a > question like "who knows something about XYZ". > > to the forum moderators, please don't make rules so tight, that some > Triumph enthusiast, who happens to be a business owner, feels threatened to > tell others about his good idea/product. I would not support any notion that > this forum is a place for businesses to actively sell a range of products. > > Terry O'Beirne. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 28 21:11:39 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:11:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] It's a Wonderful List!.... and John Nikas was here today. Message-ID: <8CCFCE2E561C2CF-138-5A3A@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> If it weren't for this list I would not even know John Nikas, much less have him as my guest for the afternoon. John is on the verge of some great news for the Kastner Cup of 2011. When he is ready he will announce the details and dates. If it were not for this list we wouldnt have ANYTHING to talk about. We wouldn't have a Kastner Cup. This list is composed of some very special people. People that want to be on the list. People that dont require rules or forum moderator. People that can state their opinions and ideas without fear of censorship or retribution. Ya, I know, everyone has a 'bad hair day', once in awhile, but we take care of it and get on with it. When I initiated this list, with the help of others, my vision was of 15-20 Triumph Racing Friends corresponding with each other around North America. I had no vision of 300 FOT worldwide. The list has a few warts, but it has been a positive life changing experience for me...perhaps a few others, too. Thank you all. OH YES! John Nikas should be making an announcement at Topeka in August about the 2011 Kastner Cup. Joe Alexander From lfritz82 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 28 21:39:47 2010 From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:39:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 hardtop hold downs Message-ID: Does anyone know where I can get the rear hold down brackets for a TR3 factory hard top. The threaded stands that go under the rear cockpit rail and the chrome covers that go on top. I would like new but used would be ok. Thanks, Lorne _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jul 28 22:19:03 2010 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 04:19:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] It's a Wonderful List!.... and John Nikas was here today. In-Reply-To: <139061562.651787.1280377096664.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1228720774.651796.1280377143480.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I'd probably be a lot less excited about finishing up my TR3 build if it weren't for the FOT. I'd also be much further away from having it done and done right. I'm looking forward to Topeka if even as a spectator, to spend some time with good peeps and a bunch of cool old cars. Thanks, Joe. I'm happy to be part of the group, Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:11:39 PM Subject: [Fot] It's a Wonderful List!.... and John Nikas was here today. If it weren't for this list I would not even know John Nikas, much less have him as my guest for the afternoon. John is on the verge of some great news for the Kastner Cup of 2011. When he is ready he will announce the details and dates. If it were not for this list we wouldnt have ANYTHING to talk about. We wouldn't have a Kastner Cup. This list is composed of some very special people. People that want to be on the list. People that dont require rules or forum moderator. People that can state their opinions and ideas without fear of censorship or retribution. Ya, I know, everyone has a 'bad hair day', once in awhile, but we take care of it and get on with it. When I initiated this list, with the help of others, my vision was of 15-20 Triumph Racing Friends corresponding with each other around North America. I had no vision of 300 FOT worldwide. The list has a few warts, but it has been a positive life changing experience for me...perhaps a few others, too. Thank you all. OH YES! John Nikas should be making an announcement at Topeka in August about the 2011 Kastner Cup. Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jul 28 23:07:10 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:07:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 hardtop hold downs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33e501cb2edb$e66c16b0$0301a8c0@randall> > Does anyone know where I can get the rear hold down brackets > for a TR3 factory > hard top. The threaded stands that go under the rear cockpit > rail and the > chrome covers that go on top. I would like new but used would be ok. TRF has them listed as available. The brackets under the rail are P/N 602326 (5 reqd); the chrome covers are 602938 (2 reqd) and 602939 (3 reqd). https://secure.zeni.net/trf/ There are some other bits & pieces you'll probably want (like the "tapping plates" used to fasten the stands to the body), so I've attached the page from the SPC that lists the parts. TRF doesn't publish a catalog that lists them, but if you look up the factory numbers on their web site, they frequently (although not always) do have the parts in stock. Randall [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of Hardtop parts.pdf] From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed Jul 28 23:57:21 2010 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:57:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys References: <82.99.03848.950405C4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com><4C507896.5020208@pobox.com> <422746.81629.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <80EC3A7E81F74EFBBD46742D1930C6EB@your89d26e0447> We have made small diameter crank pulleys in the past that were designed to reduce the water pump and generator speeds by about 1/3. We have never found any advantage in using a narrow fan belt or in installing a "damper". The engineers that we have consulted with in the past have voiced the opinion that a 6 cylinder or a v-8 crank with the rod throws at angles relative to one another that are not 180 degrees develops torsional vibrations that require a damper, but a crank with throws at 180 degrees like our "tractor" engine does not. They have said that a damper on our engines is a waste of time and just extra weight and inertia. Consequently we have never installed dampers unless the owner of the engine insisted. With a good balance job and rods and pistons as light as we can get them, we have had no failures that could be attributed to torsional vibration as long as the revs were kept under 7300 rpm. The way we have made crank pulleys is to start with a standard hub and cut it down and redrill the holes for the pulley to the smallest diameter possible. Then we machined a new pulley to match the new bolt circle. The belt groove was then machined to match the standard generator pulley profile, but with the inside diameter just larger than the new bolt circle that attaches it to the modified hub. This procedure has worked very well for us. In back to back engine dyno testing , at 6,000 rpm on an engine making 165 hp, slowing down the water pump by 1/3 was worth about 6 hp at the flywheel. The top water hose from the thermostat housing was partly a clear glass tube. With the normal water pump speed there are a lot of small water bubbles flowing away from the engine. These are caused by cavitation on the back side of the water pump impeller. Slowing down the pump dramatically reduced the number of air bubbles. This would tend to imply that the water pump is operating more efficiently at the slower speed. The main reason that we did not go to the narrow belt was that we just did not want to go to the trouble of having to change to narrow pullies on the generator and water pump. The wide belts have been very reliable and operate at a very low tension setting so do not put to much side load on the water pump or generator bearings. Greg Solow From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Jul 29 11:01:40 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:01:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirts... again Message-ID: <27466ED6-4E0A-4FEF-88AA-83D887C5483C@earthlink.net> One more call for T-shirt orders. I know of quite a few of you that will be in Topeka haven't ordered yet. You're going to be so jealous you will want to buy one off somebody's back - Mine ain't for sale. My only financial interest is to meet the minimum order number and we're only half way there. Believe me, at $12.50 for a quality shirt with full color silk-screen on both sides, I'm not doing this for the money... sure hope not to loose any. Here are the links and details again. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM Shirt front: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/Picture%201.png Shirt back: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/KastnerBackUse.jpg Sizes S - XL are $12.50 ea. + $1.25 for 2X-5X Shipping will be $3.50. That makes S-XL $16 and 2X-5X $17.25 or pick them up at the track. Full color silk screen on a100% cotton white tee. Be sure to specify the size[s] with your payment. Payment via PayPal to: lunkercars at earthlink.net Send checks to: Lunkercars 323-K Claremont Ave NW Albuquerque NM 87107 If paying by check, please also send me a e-mail so I know the numbers. Thanks. From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Jul 29 11:19:57 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:19:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirts... again In-Reply-To: <27466ED6-4E0A-4FEF-88AA-83D887C5483C@earthlink.net> References: <27466ED6-4E0A-4FEF-88AA-83D887C5483C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3FC985D0-B75C-4BC3-B721-5098E25B6E85@earthlink.net> And P.S. Order cut-off is this Monday the 2nd. For those who have sent your payment, I'll be sending you a confirmation before the order goes in. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jul 29, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer wrote: > One more call for T-shirt orders. I know of quite a few of you that > will be in Topeka haven't ordered yet. You're going to be so jealous > you will want to buy one off somebody's back - Mine ain't for sale. > My only financial interest is to meet the minimum order number and > we're only half way there. Believe me, at $12.50 for a quality shirt > with full color silk-screen on both sides, I'm not doing this for the > money... sure hope not to loose any. > Here are the links and details again. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > > > > > > Shirt front: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/Picture%201.png > > Shirt back: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/KastnerBackUse.jpg > > > Sizes S - XL are $12.50 ea. + $1.25 for 2X-5X > Shipping will be $3.50. That makes S-XL $16 and 2X-5X $17.25 or pick > them up at the track. > > Full color silk screen on a100% cotton white tee. > Be sure to specify the size[s] with your payment. > > > Payment via PayPal to: > lunkercars at earthlink.net > > Send checks to: > Lunkercars > 323-K Claremont Ave NW > Albuquerque NM 87107 > > If paying by check, please also send me a e-mail so I know the > numbers. > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From lfritz82 at hotmail.com Thu Jul 29 21:46:12 2010 From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:46:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 hardtop hold downs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you everyone. I guess I should have looked harder. Just because I couldn't find a listing doesn't mean the parts suppliers don't have them. Lorne > From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:39:47 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] TR3 hardtop hold downs > > Does anyone know where I can get the rear hold down brackets for a TR3 factory > hard top. The threaded stands that go under the rear cockpit rail and the > chrome covers that go on top. I would like new but used would be ok. > Thanks, Lorne > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with > Hotmail. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 > 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lfritz82 at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 From cwnfot at gmail.com Sat Jul 31 08:02:42 2010 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 10:02:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <00ea01cb30b9$0c63ef30$252bcd90$@com> One of the heartwarming reasons for me to be on this list is to gain knowledge of what innovations are available for our "antique" toys. Particularly the ingenuity of our own membership. Please keep 'em coming. The membership evaluation of the products is invaluable. And when I start cleaning house of my 40 year collection of bits I'll certainly ask guidance from this group before trucking to the recycler! I hate to throw things away but will gladly give them away! (Got a truck, Brad and Sue? Even Andy doesn't want some of this stuff!) Who took the Spitfire stuff Joe B mentions? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Jul 31 18:42:43 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:42:43 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 Brake backing plates Message-ID: Amici, I'm startled to find (or not actually) that I have no brake backing plates for the rotoflex rear suspensions. Anyone have a cheap set laying around? At present I only need one pair but I better buy another set if available... Steve From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Jul 31 19:00:52 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:00:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 Brake backing plates Message-ID: 3 1/8". Large I assume? From herald948 at aol.com Sat Jul 31 20:13:48 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 22:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: 29675280 References: 29675280 Message-ID: <8CCFF364F68EAF4-4AAC-196D6@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Clark W. Nicholls ...And when I start cleaning house of my 40 year collection of bits I'll certainly ask guidance from this group before trucking to the recycler! I hate to throw things away but will gladly give them away! (Got a truck, Brad and Sue? Even Andy doesn't want some of this stuff!) ==AM== Shocking...and true, but only because I might be "downsizing" somewhat. Besides, of late the number of Spitfire gearboxes underfoot in the barn has become a standing joke with my son. OTOH, he's come to appreciate my ability to go into the barn to find something I need for the Herald, and he not so secretly wishes he were able to do that with his '81 Subaru! :) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From deweerdm at rogers.com Sat Jul 31 21:38:53 2010 From: deweerdm at rogers.com (MIKE DEWEERD) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering Message-ID: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello list. I'm looking for any advice on how to get my TR4 to corner better. It seems to under-steer immensely. I am now in the process of changing front springs and shocks because as I put heat into the tires, the car would dive down when I turn the wheel to the left twice as much as when I turn to the right.(so I figured the left spring to be weak). I have no idea of the age of the shocks or springs. I find that when entering a tight turn the car will continue straight no matter how much I turn the wheel and when the car slows down enough the front will then turn quite quickly and I have to counter-steer (straighten) the wheel. This makes turns seem jerky and unsafe to other racers. I have a welded rear live axle. (which just broke in the last race) and I noticed my "new" front Hoosiers are pretty much done after 4 races while the back still look new. Now perhaps it's just me and I have to learn to drive slower into tight turns while the MGB's fly past me, or I need to look at something in the front end? the car has 1/16 th to 1/8 toe in. the steering rack is tight, it has poly bushing through out the front end Any ideas would be appreciated, Thank you Mike From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Jul 31 22:01:51 2010 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 00:01:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering In-Reply-To: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A bit more info may be helpful. What tires are you running? What is the camber set up of the front suspension? What size anti-roll bars are you running? What cold tire pressures? Corner weights? Terry Stetler. From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Jul 31 22:14:10 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 23:14:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering In-Reply-To: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100801041343.08C0718764B@autox.team.net> The standard fix is a bit counter intuitive - pretty stiff front springs and a fairly large front anti-roll bar. Normally, stiffening the springs and putting in a stiffer bar will cause the end of the car you've done that on to have LESS grip, but not the TR-4 with it's interesting front end geometry. Another thing to try is to adjust the tire pressures front to rear. I can get my car to push with a 2 psi change in rear tire pressure. Dropping the rear pressure (again, counter intuitive) will allow the rear of the car to rotate more - at least that's what it does on mine. With the Speedsters, I run 25 psi front and 23 rear cold. In general, understeer is NOT my problem, sometimes it's just the opposite - I need to bump the rears up a half a PSI to keep from too much oversteer. However, I don't run a locked rear end, I run a Detroit Locker. Under power it's a locked rear but off the power the rear is open. Locked rears cause initial understeer until you get the rear sliding a little. Also, check your brake bias - having more rear brake helps slow the car and also helps rotate it (to a point). TOO much rear brake makes it want to go off the road backwards. - Tony Drews At 10:38 PM 7/31/2010, MIKE DEWEERD wrote: >Hello list. >I'm looking for any advice on how to get my TR4 to corner better. It seems to >under-steer immensely. > I am now in the process of changing front springs and shocks because as I >put heat into the tires, the car would dive down when I turn the wheel to the >left twice as much as when I turn to the right.(so I figured the left spring >to be weak). I have no idea of the age of the shocks or springs. > I find that when entering a tight turn the car will continue straight no >matter how much I turn the wheel and when the car slows down enough the front >will then turn quite quickly and I have to counter-steer (straighten) the >wheel. This makes turns seem jerky and unsafe to other racers. > I have a welded rear live axle. (which just broke in the last race) and I >noticed my "new" front Hoosiers are pretty much done after 4 races while the >back still look new. > Now perhaps it's just me and I have to learn to drive slower into > tight turns >while the MGB's fly past me, or I need to look at something in the front end? >the car has 1/16 th to 1/8 toe in. the steering rack is tight, it has poly >bushing through out the front end > >Any ideas would be appreciated, Thank you >Mike >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From horizonracing at msn.com Sat Jul 31 22:32:30 2010 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:32:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering In-Reply-To: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Live axle car: check the front Spring rates (4-500lbs is a good starting point),That the ride height is Lower than the rear( A arms are parallel to the level ground) That the sway bar is not seized in the pillar blocks (3/4-7/8 dia), are the shocks working the same ? and IMHO, the welded diff needs to go. The quick steer rack is worth the dollars spent and I've added a 1/2 rear sway bar to help with turn in as the TR 4 is or does have a lazy turn in. I prefer a pointy or crisp turn in. Using Hoosier speedster tires & yok. 048's. Every car/driver has there own preference and only testing different bars/springs/shocks will get you were you need to go... the way you want it. cheers & good luck Tony > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:38:53 -0700 > From: deweerdm at rogers.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering > > Hello list. > I'm looking for any advice on how to get my TR4 to corner better. It seems to > under-steer immensely. > I am now in the process of changing front springs and shocks because as I > put heat into the tires, the car would dive down when I turn the wheel to the > left twice as much as when I turn to the right.(so I figured the left spring > to be weak). I have no idea of the age of the shocks or springs. > I find that when entering a tight turn the car will continue straight no > matter how much I turn the wheel and when the car slows down enough the front > will then turn quite quickly and I have to counter-steer (straighten) the > wheel. This makes turns seem jerky and unsafe to other racers. > I have a welded rear live axle. (which just broke in the last race) and I > noticed my "new" front Hoosiers are pretty much done after 4 races while the > back still look new. > Now perhaps it's just me and I have to learn to drive slower into tight turns > while the MGB's fly past me, or I need to look at something in the front end? > the car has 1/16 th to 1/8 toe in. the steering rack is tight, it has poly > bushing through out the front end > > Any ideas would be appreciated, Thank you > Mike > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jul 1 07:43:44 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 09:43:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] Australian 18th All Triumph Race Message-ID: <83172.1ac70a2d.395df590@aol.com> In a message dated 06/30/2010 9:56:48 PM Central Daylight Time, gkbyrne at optushome.com.au writes: > The race field was made up of > Three Dolimite Sprints including one turbo > Four TR8s and four TR7s > One TR6 and two GT6s > five TR3s and three Sedans , > Geoff...interesting stuff! Hooray for our Down Under Contingent. Two things struck me...no TR4s, and no Spitfires (both popular models here in the USA. Then too...those Dolomite Sprints and sedans (also rare up/over here). I've been exposed to these models recently, as they get plenty of attention in the Triumph World magazine. While I've always been more taken with the Triumph roadsters like the TR2-6, these are neat little cars. They can really be presented well, and prepared for serious racing. Bill Dentinger From cofrog at q.com Thu Jul 1 11:58:55 2010 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 17:58:55 +0000 Subject: [Fot] IRS Shock Length Message-ID: Listers, I recently installed the 550# rear springs that Moss Europe sells on my IRS TR4A. These springs are considerably shorter that the old ones. The new springs can be installed/removed without loosening the long Spax shocks that I have. These shocks are the Spax that come with the Moss tube shock conversion. I have wired the springs to the upper spring plate so they cannot fall out. My concern is these longer shocks may bottom out with the shorter springs. Has anyone run these springs or similar springs with the long Spax shocks that Moss sells and, if so, had any problems with bottoming out? The car is non-functioning at this time and I'm trying to get it squared away for Topeka. I probably will not be able to see how the above setup works until getting on the track at Topeka and would hate to have the shocks be a problem. I can (maybe should) acquire some shorter Spax shocks to be on the safe side. Any experience/input would be appreciated. Thanks, Dan Forgey From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Jul 1 13:28:00 2010 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 14:28:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] IRS Shock Length In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have the same rear springs but I use lever shocks. You can make up an adjustable link with the Armstrongs and once you get it where you want it you are good to go. You have to figure out your range and get a proper shock. I keep a loose zip tie looped to keep my springs in place. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell We are as happy as we make up our minds to be. ~ Abraham Lincoln -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dan Forgey Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 12:59 PM To: triumph fot Subject: [Fot] IRS Shock Length Listers, I recently installed the 550# rear springs that Moss Europe sells on my IRS TR4A. These springs are considerably shorter that the old ones. The new springs can be installed/removed without loosening the long Spax shocks that I have. These shocks are the Spax that come with the Moss tube shock conversion. I have wired the springs to the upper spring plate so they cannot fall out. My concern is these longer shocks may bottom out with the shorter springs. Has anyone run these springs or similar springs with the long Spax shocks that Moss sells and, if so, had any problems with bottoming out? The car is non-functioning at this time and I'm trying to get it squared away for Topeka. I probably will not be able to see how the above setup works until getting on the track at Topeka and would hate to have the shocks be a problem. I can (maybe should) acquire some shorter Spax shocks to be on the safe side. Any experience/input would be appreciated. Thanks, Dan Forgey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Thu Jul 1 15:47:17 2010 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 07:47:17 +1000 Subject: [Fot] re IRS Shock Length Message-ID: on a similar matter, can someone give me the open/closed lengths of the shocks (or part numbers). I've got some alloy brackets made by Racetorations in UK, but no shocks. They wont provide any data, just want to sell me overly expensive shocks. thanks, terry o'beirne From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Jul 1 18:44:47 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 18:44:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] re IRS Shock Length In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8AB066C14FFB49F4A153E2E9E37E5577@hal9000> Terry, If you like the Spax shocks the part you are looking for is specially made by Spax for BPNW. It's the krypton part # G3072 The body length is 7". The moss conversion shock for standard springs has a body length of 8.5". On the shorter shock the extended length is 12.5" and the compressed length is 16" end to end. The factory measures center of stud to center of stud, not end to end. Jim G. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team .net] On Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 3:47 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] re IRS Shock Length on a similar matter, can someone give me the open/closed lengths of the shocks (or part numbers). I've got some alloy brackets made by Racetorations in UK, but no shocks. They wont provide any data, just want to sell me overly expensive shocks. thanks, terry o'beirne ______________________________ _________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htm l Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ options/fot/toodamnfunky at comca st.net From jhd11 at hotmail.com Fri Jul 2 08:07:29 2010 From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 14:07:29 +0000 Subject: [Fot] U.K Triumph Events Message-ID: Good Morning, I will be in England and Scotland for the next 2 weeks and was wondering if there were any Triumphs on Track during that time. Would love to take in a U.K. race meeting while I was there (besides the F1 race!). Joe Downer Charlotte, N.C. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Jul 2 14:14:11 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:14:11 GMT Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith Message-ID: <20100702.161411.15956.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> The last crash almost killed him and I heard that he broke his neck. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "RACER BUD" To: Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 wheel cars ... Carter B. Smith Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 09:41:39 -0700 This is a Terrific Video...click on the link below. Racer Bud The BBC Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more three-wheeled cars b (both videos are hysterically FUNNY!) http://www.autoblog.com/2010/06/28/video-clarkson-demonstrate s-why-there-arent-more-three-wheeled/#continued _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net ____________________________________________________________ PennyStocks Soaring 600% Sign up for FREE email alerts on stocks that jump 600% and more! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c2e48da6fa4f1521bfst01duc From susank at 141.com Fri Jul 2 17:07:24 2010 From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 19:07:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Red #6 Hot Wheels TR6 Racer Message-ID: <4C2E712C.5050309@141.com> Hi gang! I keep forgetting to post out that there is now a 2010 red racer with blue and white stripes #6 Hot Wheels TR6 to be had at your Hot Wheels retailer. I found a bunch of them at our local Walmarts. Just FYI! http://hotwheels.wikia.com/wiki/File:Triumph_TR6_-_10FTE.jpg Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From jmwagner at greenheart.com Fri Jul 2 19:33:59 2010 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:33:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4A stock-type front Y-Pipe, mild steel, WANTED Message-ID: <4C2E9387.1050403@greenheart.com> Does anyone have a stock-type, mild steel (not Stainless Steel) front Y-Pipe from a TR4A that they'd like to unload? I would expect a little surface rust, but just looking for a bargain as opposed to a new one. Maybe you replaced a decent system with a stainless one and you have your old one in the garage? Or maybe you have one that came from a parts car? I'm looking for #10 in this Victoria British diagram.... http://www.victoriabritish.com/icatalog/tc/full.aspx?Page=114 New ones are between $70 and $110 for SS... I am looking for a bargain price for a used one and I could also trade for a silicone valve cover gasket for TR's (TR2's through TR 6's, etc.) --Justin Wagner jmwagnersales.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Fri Jul 2 19:57:20 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 18:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] videos Message-ID: <470614.64068.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> As long as we are sharing race videos, here are some from a race on Fathers day. This is my first time with my new go pro HD and it is obvious I need to work on the mounting location. I had to split it up into 3 videos under 10 minutes even after cutting out the boring sections where there is no action. I qualified on the pole and ended up winning the race after a decent battle with a Datsun 240Z. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYdgmwaLV-M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1GjMLz_Zm8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZYCkfHMUpk Mike From tedtsimx at bright.net Sat Jul 3 10:59:07 2010 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 12:59:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] A good andHappy Independence day from TSI Message-ID: <4C2F6C5B.4090603@bright.net> Uncle Sam,.Spitfire adn his friend "hydrant" wish you all a good Independence Day. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jul 3 19:26:38 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 18:26:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Emailing: 2010_0508AA What I Think The Gang is All about Fiats or Triumphs Message-ID: Hi friends..here's a Message that i sent to my Newsletter Gang....It's the same spirit that FOT has...I'm Proud to Be Friends With you!... RB Hello to THE OLD GUYS STILL DUMB ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE Gang....Happy 4TH of July... My Little Friend and I made it all the way to 4th street West(3 blocks)...2 blocks smoothly...the 3rd block was 'One Lurch At A Time'...Then..'There I Sat'... 6'1" 63 year old Dude in a tiny Car that most people have never seen the likes of before, with the top down in the middle of an intersection...A lady comes up to me and says nicely..."Hi!..that's really a bad place to be stopped..can I help you push it to the curb?"...I gritted my teeth, then said "Sure..thanks very much"...As soon as she was out of sight I started my little Friend again...We made it to the middle of the street...I decided it was time to start pushing my Fiat home...Then...A Neighbor whom I hadn't met(He was going for a walk), came to me and said.."Hi, My Name's Kevin..I had one of these cars....Can I help you push it home?....We got my little Baby Home...I guess I didn't solve the fuel problem after all.... Now I Love Her Even More!!.. Racer Bud The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: 2010_0508AA Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 2010_0508AA.JPG] From LimeyV8 at aol.com Sun Jul 4 21:33:58 2010 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 23:33:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Cooling Message-ID: <966af.4f936dec.3962aca6@aol.com> In a message dated 6/30/2010 12:09:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: I have attached a link to an ebay sale. This rad. looks just like mine. really? aren't the inlets and outlets on opposite sides from where they need to be ? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/209672-19-X-28-ALUMINUM-RACE-RADIATOR-FORD-MO PAR-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1c11732501QQitemZ120551843073QQptZMotorsQ5fC arQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories From greenman62 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 4 22:34:48 2010 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (Greg Petrolati) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 04:34:48 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith In-Reply-To: <20100702.161411.15956.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> References: <20100702.161411.15956.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: That wasn't Clarkson who nearly died... it was Hammond... Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: jaboruch at netzero.net > Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:14:11 +0000 > To: budscars at comcast.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith > > The last crash almost killed him and I heard that he broke his neck. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "RACER BUD" > To: > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 wheel > cars ... Carter B. Smith > Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 09:41:39 -0700 > > This is a Terrific Video...click on the link below. > Racer Bud > > > > > > > > The BBC Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more > three-wheeled cars b > (both videos are hysterically FUNNY!) > > http://www.autoblog.com/2010/06/28/video-clarkson-demonstrate > s-why-there-arent-more-three-wheeled/#continued > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > PennyStocks Soaring 600% > Sign up for FREE email alerts on stocks that jump 600% and more! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c2e48da6fa4f1521bfst01duc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/greenman62 at hotmail.com From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jul 5 19:14:37 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 18:14:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: CLARKSTON VIDEO RELIANT ROBIN...CAR STUFF Message-ID: <688C4CCBB732466FB1481DBC1F9CABAD@Bud> Hi Friends....The video that I sent a few days ago...a very funny one about the Robin..was blocked by BBC copyright...so you probably rcvd. something else..Sorry for the problem.. Racer Bud From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Jul 6 08:15:43 2010 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 10:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith In-Reply-To: References: <20100702.161411.15956.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Jul 2010, Greg Petrolati wrote: > That wasn't Clarkson who nearly died... it was Hammond... Depending on your point of view, some feel things should have been the other way 'round. Though I'm glad that Hammond pulled throug okay. That was one scary crash. > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 6 09:30:14 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 17:30:14 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith In-Reply-To: References: <20100702.161411.15956.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <004601cb1d20$236c7320$6a455960$@com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN9WQfDq7Jk&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpcZsGBgvis&feature=related -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Robert M. Lang Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Juli 2010 16:16 An: Greg Petrolati Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith On Mon, 5 Jul 2010, Greg Petrolati wrote: > That wasn't Clarkson who nearly died... it was Hammond... Depending on your point of view, some feel things should have been the other way 'round. Though I'm glad that Hammond pulled throug okay. That was one scary crash. > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jul 6 09:49:57 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 08:49:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith References: <20100702.161411.15956.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <83AF2E3392B64F93969A43238D0023B0@Bud> somehow the wrong video went out when i forwarded it to FOT..the one I thought i was sending was a humorous clip of a Reliant Robin driving 14 miles, and doing a series of 'funny' rollovers.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: "Greg Petrolati" Cc: "Joe Boruch" ; ; Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith > On Mon, 5 Jul 2010, Greg Petrolati wrote: > >> That wasn't Clarkson who nearly died... it was Hammond... > > Depending on your point of view, some feel things should have been the > other way 'round. Though I'm glad that Hammond pulled throug okay. That > was one scary crash. > >> Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > 2010 NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jul 6 10:09:20 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 09:09:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith References: <20100702.161411.15956.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <004601cb1d20$236c7320$6a455960$@com> Message-ID: <30E782FBBA0C496F8615D265D2C959F6@Bud> THAT'S THE ONE...Thanks Chris! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN9WQfDq7Jk&feature=related > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpcZsGBgvis&feature=related > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Robert M. Lang > Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Juli 2010 16:16 > An: Greg Petrolati > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more > 3 > whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith > > On Mon, 5 Jul 2010, Greg Petrolati wrote: > >> That wasn't Clarkson who nearly died... it was Hammond... > > Depending on your point of view, some feel things should have been the > other way 'round. Though I'm glad that Hammond pulled throug okay. That > was one scary crash. > >> Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > 2010 NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From greenman62 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 6 10:30:07 2010 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (Greg Petrolati) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 16:30:07 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith In-Reply-To: <004601cb1d20$236c7320$6a455960$@com> References: <20100702.161411.15956.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com>, , , <004601cb1d20$236c7320$6a455960$@com> Message-ID: He and his wife wrote a book about his experience, post crash. Amazing. It's a good read and gives an insite on head injuries from the inside. Here's a link. http://www.amazon.com/Edge-My-Story-Richard-Hammond/dp/0753824043 Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: tr4racing at googlemail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 17:30:14 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN9WQfDq7Jk&feature=related > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpcZsGBgvis&feature=related > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Robert M. Lang > Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Juli 2010 16:16 > An: Greg Petrolati > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Video: Clarkson demonstrates why there aren't more 3 > whe el cars ... Carter B. Smith > > On Mon, 5 Jul 2010, Greg Petrolati wrote: > > > That wasn't Clarkson who nearly died... it was Hammond... > > Depending on your point of view, some feel things should have been the > other way 'round. Though I'm glad that Hammond pulled throug okay. That > was one scary crash. > > > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > 2010 NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/greenman62 at hotmail.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jul 6 11:17:30 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 17:17:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Hoosier tire FYI Message-ID: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> For anyone using the Hoosier R6 tires. Spec Miata drivers use the SM 6 which is exactly the same tire as the R6 but 50.00 cheaper. Tire Rack doesn't sell the SM 6. They can be purchased directly from hoosier for $ 164.00 each. They will be available for sale and mounting at Heartland Park by Bob Woodman Tires. If you want the SM 6 give Evan a call at 843 524 8473. I have no financial interest, just an FYI. Jim G From mediehljr at yahoo.com Tue Jul 6 11:48:07 2010 From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 10:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August In-Reply-To: <8CCDC83117E94B0-1FCC-39D1@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCDC83117E94B0-1FCC-39D1@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <446777.49758.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello all. I am sorry to say that I will be unable to attend the Cup event at Heartland in August. It should be quite a spectacle and I wish I could be there. Hope all have a great time. Cheers, Ed. Ed Diehl ----- Original Message ---- From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, June 17, 2010 6:25:06 PM Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August FOT, I just heard a promising word on the Kastner prepared TR4 #37. It should be ready for transport to Heartland Park in August. It will be driven by it's owner, John Nikas. There will be TWO Kastner Sebring TR4s at HRP as Jeff Snook is transporting Keith Files' Sebring TR4. Driver Keith Files will be flying in from London with his wife, Denise, and ace TRIUMPH specialist, John Wood. We may be having some musical surprises, too, but I will save that for another time. This is shaping up to being an unforgettable TRIUMPH RACING WEEKEND. Regards, Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mediehljr at yahoo.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 6 12:05:39 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 20:05:39 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen race In-Reply-To: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <005001cb1d35$d84e8d90$88eba8b0$@com> http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/Videos?authkey=Gv1sRgCMHBos3mjLzQNw#549 0849592001845394 Hi, I had a very hot weekend with 98F weather heat. The tires went hot too and so the engine at close to 217F. But I managed to win my class and came in at 2nd overall. Cheers Chris From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 6 12:10:43 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:10:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August In-Reply-To: <446777.49758.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <8CCDC83117E94B0-1FCC-39D1@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> <446777.49758.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CCEB4DAECCE9E3-1E74-21AE@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> Good to hear from you Ed. Sorry you wont be coming. I will see Tony Adomowicz at Road America and see if he still plans to come. If someone has a Spitfire for him to drive...or any TR...let me know. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Ed Diehl To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August Hello all. I am sorry to say that I will be unable to attend the Cup event at eartland in August. It should be quite a spectacle and I wish I could be there. ope all have a great time. Cheers, Ed. d Diehl ----- Original Message ---- rom: "n197tr4 at cs.com" o: fot at autox.team.net ent: Thu, June 17, 2010 6:25:06 PM ubject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August FOT, I just heard a promising word on the Kastner prepared TR4 #37. It should be eady for transport to Heartland Park in August. t will be driven by it's owner, John Nikas. There will be TWO Kastner Sebring TR4s at HRP as Jeff Snook is transporting eith Files' Sebring TR4. Driver Keith Files will be flying in from London with his wife, Denise, and ce TRIUMPH specialist, John Wood. We may be having some musical surprises, too, but I will save that for another ime. This is shaping up to being an unforgettable TRIUMPH RACING WEEKEND. Regards, Joe A ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mediehljr at yahoo.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 6 12:14:07 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:14:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier tire FYI In-Reply-To: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CCEB4E28DBD83C-1E74-2242@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> This seems like good information and good to know that Woodman is going to be there. Thanks! Joe A -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: fot Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 12:17 pm Subject: [Fot] Hoosier tire FYI For anyone using the Hoosier R6 tires. Spec Miata drivers use the SM 6 which is xactly the same tire as the R6 but 50.00 cheaper. Tire Rack doesn't sell the SM 6. They can be urchased directly from hoosier for $ 164.00 each. They will be available for sale and mounting at eartland Park by Bob Woodman Tires. If you want the SM 6 give Evan a call at 843 524 8473. I have no financial interest, just an FYI. Jim G ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 6 12:52:11 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:52:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] North American Distribution of the Christian Marx Crank Seal. UPDATE Message-ID: <8CCEB5379C6A3A8-1E74-2894@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> VITON SEALS: Christian says it will be a few weeks before the second production run will be done and shipped to the U.S. I believe his seal price is presently $62 per seal, or very close to that.....I will pass that through plus some postage when I ship to you. TOOLING & MODIFIED SCROLLS: I proceeded with the machining of hard tooling to modify the scroll seal. I got the cost of the fixture and the cost per piece today. The outcome looks feasible for me to offer to Triumph owners at a reasonable price, if I can do 10 at a time. If you are interested you could send matched scroll seals in advance and I could proceed with modifying. It looks like it could be a modest $30 for the modified scroll seal. Clean the pieces as best that you can and wire the two pieces together. This will save time and confusion. Bob Kramer donated 4 sets of scroll seals to get this project going. If anyone would like to donate additional seals, that you have lying on the shelf, It will help to keep the cost of the project down. (Thanks Bob!....as usual) Looks like the cost of conversion is going to come in at about $100 with the VITON SEAL and MODIFIED SCROLL. CENTERING TOOL: We are going to select better material for the centering tool than we did for the first trial. Cost is still expected to be low so everyone can have one in their toolbox without borrowing one or guessing at it. This centering tool will work on OEM or OEM/MODIFIED seals. I should have info on this within 7 days. NOTE! A comprehensive article is being written on the installation of this seal for publication in the VTR magazine. This will be made available to the FOT if you not already a member of VTR. Assembly of the engine is now taking place and the article will be available in the next quarterly edition of the TVT. This work is being done by the very progressive TRIUMPH group near Chicago, known as the ISOA. Joe A. From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Jul 6 12:57:12 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 11:57:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August In-Reply-To: <446777.49758.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <8CCDC83117E94B0-1FCC-39D1@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> <446777.49758.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Ed: I am very sorry to hear that. I hope that all is well and that we will run into each other soon. On Jul 6, 2010 11:35 AM, "Ed Diehl" wrote: Hello all. I am sorry to say that I will be unable to attend the Cup event at Heartland in August. It should be quite a spectacle and I wish I could be there. Hope all have a great time. Cheers, Ed. Ed Diehl ----- Original Message ---- From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, June 17, 2010 6:25:06 PM Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August FOT, I just heard a promising word on the Kastner prepared TR4 #37. It should be ready for transpor... Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mediehljr at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donat... From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 6 13:00:09 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 21:00:09 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen race References: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <006001cb1d3d$788258d0$69870a70$@com> Oups - wrong link: http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490849592001845394 -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Juli 2010 20:06 An: 'fot at autox.team.net' Betreff: Assen race http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/Videos?authkey=Gv1sRgCMHBos3mjLzQNw#549 0849592001845394 Hi, I had a very hot weekend with 98F weather heat. The tires went hot too and so the engine at close to 217F. But I managed to win my class and came in at 2nd overall. Cheers Chris From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Jul 6 13:39:20 2010 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 13:39:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Parting out two TR7's Message-ID: I am parting out two TR7's to finance the war machine, the fleet of Triumphs I intend to use in my campaign of world conquest. None of the proceeds will be used to acquire liquid refreshments or to pay off my wife to allow me to go work in the garage. All the funds will be used to purchase hardware or petroleum distillates. I have two pretty good cars that have spent the majority of therre lives in the dry southwest so there is not much rust and no crash damage in the bodies. I price the stuff realistically and rarely refuse a cash offer. Let me know if I can help you with a part................................Cheers Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM 505-259-1537...... From s.janzen at comcast.net Tue Jul 6 13:56:43 2010 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 15:56:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Assen race In-Reply-To: <006001cb1d3d$788258d0$69870a70$@com> References: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <006001cb1d3d$788258d0$69870a70$@com> Message-ID: Hmmm, the "scenery" at the start of this vintage race is a bit different than most of our U.S. events! On Jul 6, 2010, at 3:00 PM, MadMarx wrote: Oups - wrong link: http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490849592001845394 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 6 13:58:34 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 21:58:34 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen race In-Reply-To: References: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <006001cb1d3d$788258d0$69870a70$@com> Message-ID: <007101cb1d45$9f0401e0$dd0c05a0$@com> Yes, it disturbed my focus on the race a little. Good that we have done an information lap after the girls left the tracklane. Got my focus back. Von: Scott Janzen [mailto:s.janzen at comcast.net] Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Juli 2010 21:57 An: MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Assen race Hmmm, the "scenery" at the start of this vintage race is a bit different than most of our U.S. events! On Jul 6, 2010, at 3:00 PM, MadMarx wrote: Oups - wrong link: http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490849592001845394 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jul 6 14:25:59 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 20:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1887821072.957141278447959775.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> " run into each other soon" >From anyone that doesn't race a car that would have flown right on by me. I got a bit of a laugh. I hope the stewards determine it to be unavoidable contact when you do...run into each other. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Nikas" To: "Ed Diehl" Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2010 12:57:12 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August Dear Ed: I am very sorry to hear that. I hope that all is well and that we will run into each other soon. On Jul 6, 2010 11:35 AM, "Ed Diehl" wrote: Hello all. I am sorry to say that I will be unable to attend the Cup event at Heartland in August. It should be quite a spectacle and I wish I could be there. Hope all have a great time. Cheers, Ed. Ed Diehl ----- Original Message ---- From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, June 17, 2010 6:25:06 PM Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August FOT, I just heard a promising word on the Kastner prepared TR4 #37. It should be ready for transpor... Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mediehljr at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donat... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Jul 6 14:28:46 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 13:28:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SEBRING TR4 #37 at Heartland Park in August In-Reply-To: <1887821072.957141278447959775.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1887821072.957141278447959775.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Uh, make that see each other soon. On Jul 6, 2010 1:26 PM, wrote: " run into each other soon" >From anyone that doesn't race a car that would have flown right on by me. I got a bit of a laugh. I hope the stewards determine it to be unavoidable contact when you do...run into each other. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Nikas" To: "Ed Diehl" References: <007701cb1d4e$71439460$53cabd20$@com> <20100706172408.MU74K.1040811.imail@fed1rmwml45> Message-ID: <007c01cb1d55$af07f0f0$0d17d2d0$@com> First race: http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490849592001845394 And the 2nd race: http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490913310955281954 Cheers Chris From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 6 15:53:40 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:53:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ATTENDING HVR? Message-ID: <8CCEB6CD490F925-1E74-487E@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> If you are a FOT but not entering and are not attached as 'CREW', please let me know. We might be able to put you to work in exchange for VIP PASSES. All bases are covered, but there may be a need for short term volunteer work. Joe A From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jul 6 23:49:29 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 00:49:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ATTENDING HVR? In-Reply-To: <8CCEB6CD490F925-1E74-487E@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCEB6CD490F925-1E74-487E@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20100707054846.981E118765E@autox.team.net> Note that early bird entry ends on July 15 (just filling it out myself). It's an extra $50 if you're late... - Tony At 04:53 PM 7/6/2010, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >If you are a FOT but not entering and are not attached as 'CREW', please let >me know. > >We might be able to put you to work in exchange for VIP PASSES. > >All bases are covered, but there may be a need for short term volunteer work. > >Joe A >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 7 07:57:57 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:57:57 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen race In-Reply-To: <4C33C1CB.7070800@pobox.com> References: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <005001cb1d35$d84e8d90$88eba8b0$@com> <4C33C1CB.7070800@pobox.com> Message-ID: <002a01cb1ddc$68e6fc10$3ab4f430$@com> Same race, different car: TR6 http://picasaweb.google.com/hzkrace/Videos#5490928013400578610 MadMarx wrote: > http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/Videos?authkey=Gv1sRgCMHBos3mjLzQNw#549 > 0849592001845394 > > Hi, > > I had a very hot weekend with 98F weather heat. > The tires went hot too and so the engine at close to 217F. > > But I managed to win my class and came in at 2nd overall. > > Cheers > Chris From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Jul 7 11:43:03 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 11:43:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Heartland configuration and pits Message-ID: <473AD64A-0D7A-448E-A078-4E2B89D6358B@earthlink.net> Hello all, Looking at the Heartland Park web-site [ http://www.hpt.com/ ] I see 4 track configurations. What will we be using? Also, the HVR web-site [ http://heartlandvintageracing.com/ ] mentions "special" pit area for us. Anyone know where that will be? I'm thinking of getting a garage or at least a pit with power but don't want to reserve anything away from the FoT "action". Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Jul 7 11:45:03 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 17:45:03 GMT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen National Message-ID: <20100707.134503.26594.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Any FOTers going to be around Watkins Glen this weekend? I will be racing my TR3 in the SCCA Double National. Look me up if you will be around. Also, I have room on my crew list if there is interest. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c34bd274f1ae1b2f80st03duc From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 7 12:25:50 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 20:25:50 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen race In-Reply-To: References: <007701cb1d4e$71439460$53cabd20$@com>, <20100706172408.MU74K.1040811.imail@fed1rmwml45>, <007c01cb1d55$af07f0f0$0d17d2d0$@com> Message-ID: <001201cb1e01$d4fdbb30$7ef93190$@com> The Morgan is a +8 and Im really unhappy with his driving but he is another capacity class so I dont care too much. Im working on a race report about the race where he gets a special speech. Cheers Chris Von: Dan Forgey [mailto:cofrog at q.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. Juli 2010 18:07 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: RE: [Fot] Assen race Chris, The Morgan driver was pretty aggressive to say the least. Is the Morgan a Super Sport or something else? Seems pretty quick for a Plus four or Four Four. Dan Forgey > From: tr4racing at googlemail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 23:53:33 +0200 > Subject: [Fot] Assen race > > First race: > > http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490849592001845394 > > And the 2nd race: > > http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490913310955281954 > > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 7 12:28:21 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 20:28:21 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen race In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FBD9@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <006001cb1d3d$788258d0$69870a70$@com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FBD9@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <001701cb1e02$2eaeda10$8c0c8e30$@com> I would say that we normally do close racing but never push other cars off track as we are only there for the beer. The Morgan did a little dirty driving I never would do. But this is what prevents me from becoming a pro racer, because I'm not willing to touch other cars. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. Juli 2010 16:46 An: MadMarx Betreff: RE: [Fot] Assen race Wow - that's some really aggressive driving by the Morgan driver, for a vintage race. Is this normal? Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 2:00 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Assen race Oups - wrong link: http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490849592001845394 -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Juli 2010 20:06 An: 'fot at autox.team.net' Betreff: Assen race http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/Videos?authkey=Gv1sRgCMHBos3mjLzQNw #549 0849592001845394 Hi, I had a very hot weekend with 98F weather heat. The tires went hot too and so the engine at close to 217F. But I managed to win my class and came in at 2nd overall. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From adams910 at gmail.com Wed Jul 7 12:35:17 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:35:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen National In-Reply-To: <20100707.134503.26594.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> References: <20100707.134503.26594.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: "The 71 Crowd" will be there with Kyle Disque's GTL Toyota and Chris Howard's FP Miata. From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 7 16:43:22 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 18:43:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] OIL COOLER SYSTEM AVAILABLE - TR3 TR4 Message-ID: <8CCEC3CEFEC3C84-1B0-2EC0@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> LIST, After hearing a thread on oil coolers, I remembered that I had the complete system on a shelf somewhere. I installed in 1992 and removed it when I decided we were running oil temps lower than desired and taping the cooler opening to raise temps. I elected not to install on the AMBRO either as it will likely only see light duty. Sandwich Plate & Attachment Hardware Braided Hoses & All Fittings Oil Cooler $125.00 To the FOT or off to eBAY with it. Thanks, Joe A From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Wed Jul 7 17:29:43 2010 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 19:29:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] I'm in Message-ID: <4C350DE7.9080403@twcny.rr.com> Sorry for bombing the list but I couldn't figure out how to respond to just Joe. I would love to drop by this weekend if you have crew space. Best, Mark From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 7 18:07:12 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 20:07:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Heartland configuration and pits for the FOT In-Reply-To: <71D45743356C49A98E5AA518B112FF23@main> References: <473AD64A-0D7A-448E-A078-4E2B89D6358B@earthlink.net> <8CCEC1BE5076097-1E74-F784@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> <71D45743356C49A98E5AA518B112FF23@main> Message-ID: <8CCEC48A693812B-1B0-3C13@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> Fot: See description of our location at Heartland, below. It sounds like we will be in proximity of the GARAGES if anyone wants to rent same. (A lot of detailed planning has gone into this inaugural event that we will benefit by.) If you have any new/used parts you want sell, you might consider getting together with a couple of guys and renting vendor space for $100 10' x 20' My regards to primary organizer Bill Rinke.....one of the AGE & TREACHERY guys from the area. Joe A Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 6:11 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland configuration and pits Joe, the Map on the website under the Racing button does show the facility layout. The garages do have designated parking areas in front of them for support vehicles. Right behind or East of that area (running north to south) is where we will have a roped off area for all of the Triumphs that plan to be in the Kastner Cup race. That area will be secured and will only allow Triumph race cars into it. I am guessing about 45-50 Triumph race drivers will paddock in that area. Obviously, some drivers will want to paddock with their buddies and that is fine but they will be elsewhere within the paddock area. The Exhibition Group cars will be in a secure area just East of where the Kastner Cup cars are to be located. Hope this answers your question. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: Lunkercars at earthlink.net ; brinke at cebridge.net Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland configuration and pits Bill, Do you have a drawing of our intended location? Joe -----Original Message----- From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer To: fot Triumph Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 12:43 pm Subject: [Fot] Heartland configuration and pits Hello all, ooking at the Heartland Park web-site [ http://www.hpt.com/ ] I see track configurations. What will we be using? lso, the HVR web-site [ http://heartlandvintageracing.com/ ] entions "special" pit area for us. Anyone know where that will be? 'm thinking of getting a garage or at least a pit with power but on't want to reserve anything away from the FoT "action". Greg "Lunker" Hilyer R4 #314 lbuquerque NM ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2987 - Release Date: 07/07/10 01:36:00 From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jul 7 18:20:14 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 18:20:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Assen race In-Reply-To: <002a01cb1ddc$68e6fc10$3ab4f430$@com> References: <2113037355.881191278436650758.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <005001cb1d35$d84e8d90$88eba8b0$@com> <4C33C1CB.7070800@pobox.com> <002a01cb1ddc$68e6fc10$3ab4f430$@com> Message-ID: <4C3519BE.5020706@bradakis.com> Yes indeed, I did like the pit marshalls. *PIT* marshalls, Mark, with a 'P' - Pit mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jul 7 19:01:35 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 19:01:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] I'm in In-Reply-To: <4C350DE7.9080403@twcny.rr.com> References: <4C350DE7.9080403@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <4C35236F.8010700@bradakis.com> Mark Eginton wrote: > Sorry for bombing the list but I couldn't figure out how to respond to > just Joe. In most web based mail programs you can click on a 'Reply' button or some such. For Team.Net lists that reply should go just to the person who sent the message. A 'Reply All' will usually go to the person who sent the message AND the list. Many list admins have the reply address set to go to the whole list and not just the original poster. In my opinion, though, it is easier to resend a message to the whole list after you realize you only sent it to one person than it is to "unsend" a message you meant to go to only one person but went to the entire list. Sort of a "Did I really say that out loud?" sort of situation. On a side note, I don't think any of you are affected by the AT&T block of Team.Net, but I will be going through the bounce and list removal logs to make sure. What fun. mjb. mjb. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jul 8 16:19:27 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 17:19:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Assen race References: <007701cb1d4e$71439460$53cabd20$@com>, <20100706172408.MU74K.1040811.imail@fed1rmwml45>, <007c01cb1d55$af07f0f0$0d17d2d0$@com> <001201cb1e01$d4fdbb30$7ef93190$@com> Message-ID: <863B22DC806046AB9C42B3903D399955@latitudefb1e41> I seem to remember a Plus 8 Morgan at the 2004 VIR Gold Cup Triumph event that acted similarly. He couldn't stand being out braked by lowly TR4's so he would dive deep into the turns only to spin. I watched him spin 3 times, twice in one race. In our racing group, CVAR, you get a stop and go for the first one, and are parked for the second one. This guy got to keep driving with no penalties. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Assen race > The Morgan is a +8 and Im really unhappy with his driving but he is > another > capacity class so I dont care too much. Im working on a race report > about > the race where he gets a special speech. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > Von: Dan Forgey [mailto:cofrog at q.com] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. Juli 2010 18:07 > An: tr4racing at googlemail.com > Betreff: RE: [Fot] Assen race > > > > Chris, > > The Morgan driver was pretty aggressive to say the least. Is the Morgan a > Super Sport or something else? Seems pretty quick for a Plus four or Four > Four. > > Dan Forgey > >> From: tr4racing at googlemail.com >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 23:53:33 +0200 >> Subject: [Fot] Assen race >> >> First race: >> >> http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490849592001845394 >> >> And the 2nd race: >> >> http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490913310955281954 >> >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From s.janzen at comcast.net Thu Jul 8 20:26:46 2010 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 22:26:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] u-joint alignment? Message-ID: <034DEBD8-2B4B-4823-AED6-73959F0F15A0@comcast.net> On drive shafts and half shafts, should the axis of the u-joints be aligned to the one on the other end, perpendicular, or something in between, or does it matter? On the half-shafts on my GT6, I don't think I can get perfect alignment given how the spines are machined - looks to be 5-10 degrees off. From mpendy at dishmail.net Fri Jul 9 07:33:56 2010 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 06:33:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods Message-ID: Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application of the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they sounded like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input ??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jul 9 08:41:49 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 09:41:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100709144107.B9DFD18765E@autox.team.net> Here's what I was able to find on the chevy rods - Message from Jack in 2007: I continue to work on lower cost rods for our TR's. I need an indication of the level of interest in the Triumph community for this project. if I can get about five customers, the project is a "go". Here's what I have come up with so far: Four aftermarket Chevy rods, pins, clips, and spacers for $500 Here's how this works: The rods are the right length so TR pistons can be used. The crank must be turned a few thousandths to accept the Chevy rod bearing. The rods would be modified by my machine shop so the upper end is the right diameter for the stock TR pin. Two spacers for each piston would be included. These rods are 50 grams lighter than the Carillos so theoretically they give a significant acceleration advantage. They are made by Probe, a supplier to the V8 racing community. These rods are narrower than the TR rod, so they leave a gap on each side of the rod down on the crank journal. The rods are guided by the piston, with a high strength aluminum spacer on each side of the upper end of the rod.This is not a problem for the lubrication system. it just requires one more turn on the pressure adjusting screw to take care of additional flow at high rpm. The crank journals must be ground by a few thousandsths. Then you use .020 undersize Chevy bearings which are quite a bit lower in cost. Grinding it undersize is no problem for future grinds because these Chevy bearings are made in undersizes down to .060 undersize. uncle jack Unfortunately, he didn't include info on which rods he was using. Stock rods are 6.125" bore to bore. I suspect that it's something like this: http://www.jegs.com/i/Eagle/356/CRS6250B3D/10002/-1?parentProductId=744628 The crank diameter is pretty much right with that rod - the crank journal specified in the text is 2.100", and ours is 2.086 when not undersized. Grind 6 thou off and you can use the bearings as specified above. I believe that there was a minor mod to the rods to allow them to pass through an 87mm liner. Piston spacers were made from 6160 aluminum. - Tony Drews At 08:33 AM 7/9/2010, you wrote: >Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application of >the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor >engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they sounded >like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input >??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Jul 9 09:05:12 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:05:12 EDT Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods Message-ID: <39ce0.62baab05.396894a8@cs.com> We have had them in our engine for about three years. I am looking for the spec sheet on them.......somewhere on my computer. They require grinding the crank to another dimension so you can use Chevy Bearings (cheap & good) (Clevite 777?) They also need to be rebushed with good bronze bushings. Spacers need to be produced to center the rod in the piston. I adjusted the pressure on the oil pressure regulator up slightly to get it back to the same reading, as it is narrower at the low end. I'd have to say that I am pleased with Uncle Jack's research leading to this change. There are some one time costs, but that should settle out to bearing replacement. I think the Clevite bearings about $25 for a set of eight. Joe A > Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application > of > the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor > engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they > sounded > like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input > ??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 > From bownes at seiri.com Fri Jul 9 09:28:24 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:28:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: <39ce0.62baab05.396894a8@cs.com> References: <39ce0.62baab05.396894a8@cs.com> Message-ID: Now if only we could find something similar for the 6 cylinder... On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:05 AM, wrote: > We have had them in our engine for about three years. > > I am looking for the spec sheet on them.......somewhere on my computer. > > They require grinding the crank to another dimension so you can use Chevy > Bearings (cheap & good) (Clevite 777?) > > They also need to be rebushed with good bronze bushings. > > Spacers need to be produced to center the rod in the piston. > > I adjusted the pressure on the oil pressure regulator up slightly to get it > back to the same reading, as it is narrower at the low end. > > I'd have to say that I am pleased with Uncle Jack's research leading to > this change. > > There are some one time costs, but that should settle out to bearing > replacement. > > I think the Clevite bearings about $25 for a set of eight. > > Joe A > > > > > Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application > > of > > the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor > > engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they > > sounded > > like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input > > ??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From John.Reed at wilson.com Fri Jul 9 09:39:15 2010 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 10:39:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ditto On 7/9/10 10:28 AM, "robert bownes" wrote: > Now if only we could find something similar for the 6 cylinder... > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:05 AM, wrote: > >> We have had them in our engine for about three years. >> >> I am looking for the spec sheet on them.......somewhere on my computer. >> >> They require grinding the crank to another dimension so you can use Chevy >> Bearings (cheap & good) (Clevite 777?) >> >> They also need to be rebushed with good bronze bushings. >> >> Spacers need to be produced to center the rod in the piston. >> >> I adjusted the pressure on the oil pressure regulator up slightly to get it >> back to the same reading, as it is narrower at the low end. >> >> I'd have to say that I am pleased with Uncle Jack's research leading to >> this change. >> >> There are some one time costs, but that should settle out to bearing >> replacement. >> >> I think the Clevite bearings about $25 for a set of eight. >> >> Joe A >> >> >> >>> Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application >>> of >>> the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor >>> engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they >>> sounded >>> like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input >>> ??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john.reed at wilson.com > > Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From fasttrs at yahoo.com Fri Jul 9 09:53:20 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 10:53:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: References: <39ce0.62baab05.396894a8@cs.com> Message-ID: Amen! Carrillos were 480 the last time I checked. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2010, at 10:28 AM, robert bownes wrote: > Now if only we could find something similar for the 6 cylinder... > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:05 AM, wrote: > >> We have had them in our engine for about three years. >> >> I am looking for the spec sheet on them.......somewhere on my computer. >> >> They require grinding the crank to another dimension so you can use Chevy >> Bearings (cheap & good) (Clevite 777?) >> >> They also need to be rebushed with good bronze bushings. >> >> Spacers need to be produced to center the rod in the piston. >> >> I adjusted the pressure on the oil pressure regulator up slightly to get it >> back to the same reading, as it is narrower at the low end. >> >> I'd have to say that I am pleased with Uncle Jack's research leading to >> this change. >> >> There are some one time costs, but that should settle out to bearing >> replacement. >> >> I think the Clevite bearings about $25 for a set of eight. >> >> Joe A >> >> >> >>> Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application >>> of >>> the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor >>> engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they >>> sounded >>> like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input >>> ??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Jul 9 09:55:58 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 10:55:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C37468E.5010601@pobox.com> The rods I used are made by Skat for 2.10 inch crank pins and 6.25 length. You can find bearings for as small as 2.00. I modified (welded) the crankshaft by making the bearing journal narrower. An old post by Greg Solow indicated modifying the crank to increase the radius where they always crack is a good idea, so I did that at the same time. The only problem with this was that welding on the crank made it difficult to straighten for grinding and nitriding. You could also have a Moldex made for Chevy rods. I was having custom pistons made by Wiseco and had them made for the chevy wrist pin (no extra cost). I don't like the way that chevy rod bearings are not symmetric (side-to-side) because they are designed for one side to be against the neighboring rod (no radius). I think a better bet are the Skat rods for a VW Jetta. They are a bit longer than stock TR4, but that is not a problem if you are having customs pistons made. Other possibilities for rods are the Ford Triton V8 and (believe it are not) 7 inch rods for the Ford Flathead V8 (very light). Larry Young Mark Pendergrass wrote: > Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application of > the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor > engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they sounded > like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input > ??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jul 9 10:53:38 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 18:53:38 +0200 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: <4C37468E.5010601@pobox.com> References: <4C37468E.5010601@pobox.com> Message-ID: <000301cb1f87$4834ffb0$d89eff10$@com> I run also Scat rods (2-54L-6657) from a Ford which has the same diameter than Triumph. The rods length is 6.65". I center the rod with the piston which are narrow made to the rods specific. I run this config since 2008 and I does last. This year I test a very tight rod bearing clearance - 0.00157" to see if the bearing wear is decreased as the bearings tend to run on their edge with much clearance. Over the next weeks I open the motor to have a look and can tell you. This year the engine has run 625 race mls and 400 street mls this year. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Larry Young Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 17:56 An: Mark Pendergrass Cc: friends of triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods The rods I used are made by Skat for 2.10 inch crank pins and 6.25 length. You can find bearings for as small as 2.00. I modified (welded) the crankshaft by making the bearing journal narrower. An old post by Greg Solow indicated modifying the crank to increase the radius where they always crack is a good idea, so I did that at the same time. The only problem with this was that welding on the crank made it difficult to straighten for grinding and nitriding. You could also have a Moldex made for Chevy rods. I was having custom pistons made by Wiseco and had them made for the chevy wrist pin (no extra cost). I don't like the way that chevy rod bearings are not symmetric (side-to-side) because they are designed for one side to be against the neighboring rod (no radius). I think a better bet are the Skat rods for a VW Jetta. They are a bit longer than stock TR4, but that is not a problem if you are having customs pistons made. Other possibilities for rods are the Ford Triton V8 and (believe it are not) 7 inch rods for the Ford Flathead V8 (very light). Larry Young Mark Pendergrass wrote: > Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application of > the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor > engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they sounded > like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input > ??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Fri Jul 9 12:29:52 2010 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 18:29:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? Message-ID: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello All: Need some opinions on what I think might be a problem with my 1969 TR6 water temp gauge is an electrical unit. Scenario: recently, I've noticed the car running a bit hot, ie, the needle within an 1/8" of the red zone on the gauge. I recall at normal operating temp, the needle should be closer to half way (ambient daytime temps in the 80 - 90 degree range). Once the needle reaches this "hot" location, it never seems to come back down at all, regardless of whether I'm at speed or stopped. To me, this is not normal. What I've done so far: flushed the cooling system, filled with about 35% anit-freeze, remainder with distilled water; added a few ounces of Water Wetter; new temp sensor, new thermostat (180 degree), timing checked and spot on. So far no difference in the way the gauge reacts, indicates the engine is still running hot so I'm wondering if I might have a gauge going bad. Anyone have an experience with a faulty water temp gauge? Does it gradually go bad and give false readings? Thanks. Gary From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Fri Jul 9 13:02:08 2010 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 19:02:08 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20100709190208.THG9W.138377.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> I'd pull the sensor and put it in some hot or boiling water while hooked to your gauge and see what it reads. Bob ---- vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote: > Hello All: > > > Need some opinions on what I think might be a problem with my 1969 TR6 water temp gauge is an electrical unit. Scenario: recently, I've noticed the car running a bit hot, ie, the needle within an 1/8" of the red zone on the gauge. I recall at normal operating temp, the needle should be closer to half way (ambient daytime temps in the 80 - 90 degree range). Once the needle reaches this "hot" location, it never seems to come back down at all, regardless of whether I'm at speed or stopped. To me, this is not normal. > > > What I've done so far: flushed the cooling system, filled with about 35% anit-freeze, remainder with distilled water; added a few ounces of Water Wetter; new temp sensor, new thermostat (180 degree), timing checked and spot on. So far no difference in the way the gauge reacts, indicates the engine is still running hot so I'm wondering if I might have a gauge going bad. Anyone have an experience with a faulty water temp gauge? Does it gradually go bad and give false readings? Thanks. > > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Jul 9 13:06:42 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 12:06:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <002001cb1f99$deb6cb50$9c2461f0$@rr.com> > Need some opinions on what I think might be a problem with my 1969 TR6 > water temp gauge is an electrical unit. Well, that's your first mistake, IMO. For racing, I would definitely replace that thing with a 270 sweep mechanical unit. > Does it gradually go bad and give false readings? If this is the stock TR6 gauge, I would suspect the voltage stabilizer; which is a little metal can on the back of the speedo (I think). The gauge is voltage dependant and expects a 10 volt (average) supply. The VS chops up the voltage from the battery, to create a long-term 10 volt average to the gauge. -- Randall From riverside at southslope.net Fri Jul 9 14:01:41 2010 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 15:01:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <002001cb1f99$deb6cb50$9c2461f0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <004201cb1fa1$8d3fb770$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor on sale at 29.95. it has a slug of uses including verifying temp gauge accuracy. art de armond ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? >> Need some opinions on what I think might be a problem with my 1969 TR6 >> water temp gauge is an electrical unit. > > Well, that's your first mistake, IMO. For racing, I would definitely > replace that thing with a 270 sweep mechanical unit. > >> Does it gradually go bad and give false readings? > > If this is the stock TR6 gauge, I would suspect the voltage stabilizer; > which is a little metal can on the back of the speedo (I think). The > gauge > is voltage dependant and expects a 10 volt (average) supply. The VS chops > up the voltage from the battery, to create a long-term 10 volt average to > the gauge. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Jul 9 15:21:36 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 14:21:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <004201cb1fa1$8d3fb770$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <002001cb1f99$deb6cb50$9c2461f0$@rr.com> <004201cb1fa1$8d3fb770$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <000601cb1fac$b7038bd0$250aa370$@rr.com> > Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor > on sale at 29.95. it has a slug of uses including > verifying temp gauge accuracy. But be careful what you try to shoot with it. I have one, and while it works well enough on the radiator tanks, it gives readings that are all over the place from the thermostat housing or radiator core. -- Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jul 9 15:31:35 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 23:31:35 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <000601cb1fac$b7038bd0$250aa370$@rr.com> References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <002001cb1f99$deb6cb50$9c2461f0$@rr.com> <004201cb1fa1$8d3fb770$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> <000601cb1fac$b7038bd0$250aa370$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000801cb1fae$1e0696f0$5a13c4d0$@com> Infrared gauges are precise on colored surfaces like a black coated radiator or rubber hoses. If you try to measure polished metal surfaces you will get much lower readings which has something to do with radiation on metal surfaces. If you would like to measure the thermostat housing put a strap tape on the housing, wait a few seconds for the tape to adjust temperature and then measure the tape and you'll get the correct temperature. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Randall Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:22 An: 'Friends of Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor > on sale at 29.95. it has a slug of uses including > verifying temp gauge accuracy. But be careful what you try to shoot with it. I have one, and while it works well enough on the radiator tanks, it gives readings that are all over the place from the thermostat housing or radiator core. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From bownes at seiri.com Fri Jul 9 15:38:14 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 17:38:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <000801cb1fae$1e0696f0$5a13c4d0$@com> References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <002001cb1f99$deb6cb50$9c2461f0$@rr.com> <004201cb1fa1$8d3fb770$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> <000601cb1fac$b7038bd0$250aa370$@rr.com> <000801cb1fae$1e0696f0$5a13c4d0$@com> Message-ID: How are they on tires? On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:31 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Infrared gauges are precise on colored surfaces like a black coated > radiator > or rubber hoses. > If you try to measure polished metal surfaces you will get much lower > readings which has something to do with radiation on metal surfaces. > > If you would like to measure the thermostat housing put a strap tape on the > housing, wait a few seconds for the tape to adjust temperature and then > measure the tape and you'll get the correct temperature. > > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Randall > Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:22 > An: 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > > > Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor > > on sale at 29.95. it has a slug of uses including > > verifying temp gauge accuracy. > > But be careful what you try to shoot with it. I have one, and while it > works well enough on the radiator tanks, it gives readings that are all > over > the place from the thermostat housing or radiator core. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jul 9 15:42:13 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 23:42:13 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <002001cb1f99$deb6cb50$9c2461f0$@rr.com> <004201cb1fa1$8d3fb770$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> <000601cb1fac$b7038bd0$250aa370$@rr.com> <000801cb1fae$1e0696f0$5a13c4d0$@com> Message-ID: <000c01cb1faf$9ac969a0$d05c3ce0$@com> I use them on tires very successful. But if you measure your tire temperature after youve driven through the paddock a probe type sensor which you push into the surface for a few millimeters is better at that point because the surface is cooling down fast while deeper under the surface the heat remains longer. So if you measure in the paddock add a few degree F. Chris Von: robert bownes [mailto:bownes at seiri.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:38 An: MadMarx Cc: Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? How are they on tires? On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:31 PM, MadMarx wrote: Infrared gauges are precise on colored surfaces like a black coated radiator or rubber hoses. If you try to measure polished metal surfaces you will get much lower readings which has something to do with radiation on metal surfaces. If you would like to measure the thermostat housing put a strap tape on the housing, wait a few seconds for the tape to adjust temperature and then measure the tape and you'll get the correct temperature. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Randall Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:22 An: 'Friends of Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor > on sale at 29.95. it has a slug of uses including > verifying temp gauge accuracy. But be careful what you try to shoot with it. I have one, and while it works well enough on the radiator tanks, it gives readings that are all over the place from the thermostat housing or radiator core. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From riverside at southslope.net Fri Jul 9 16:04:34 2010 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 17:04:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><002001cb1f99$deb6cb50$9c2461f0$@rr.com><004201cb1fa1$8d3fb770$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2><000601cb1fac$b7038bd0$250aa370$@rr.com><000801cb1fae$1e0696f0$5a13c4d0$@com> <000c01cb1faf$9ac969a0$d05c3ce0$@com> Message-ID: <005101cb1fb2$b74763e0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> mine gets erratic when near ignition system components. art d ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? >I use them on tires very successful. > > But if you measure your tire temperature after youve driven through the > paddock a probe type sensor which you push into the surface for a few > millimeters is better at that point because the surface is cooling down > fast > while deeper under the surface the heat remains longer. > > So if you measure in the paddock add a few degree F. > > > > Chris > > > > Von: robert bownes [mailto:bownes at seiri.com] > Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:38 > An: MadMarx > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > > > > How are they on tires? > > > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:31 PM, MadMarx wrote: > > Infrared gauges are precise on colored surfaces like a black coated > radiator > or rubber hoses. > If you try to measure polished metal surfaces you will get much lower > readings which has something to do with radiation on metal surfaces. > > If you would like to measure the thermostat housing put a strap tape on > the > housing, wait a few seconds for the tape to adjust temperature and then > measure the tape and you'll get the correct temperature. > > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Randall > Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:22 > An: 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > >> Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor >> on sale at 29.95. it has a slug of uses including >> verifying temp gauge accuracy. > > But be careful what you try to shoot with it. I have one, and while it > works well enough on the radiator tanks, it gives readings that are all > over > the place from the thermostat housing or radiator core. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net From pcdelux at verizon.net Fri Jul 9 16:36:21 2010 From: pcdelux at verizon.net (William Dewar) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:36:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <002001cb1f99$deb6cb50$9c2461f0$@rr.com> <004201cb1fa1$8d3fb770$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> <000601cb1fac$b7038bd0$250aa370$@rr.com> <000801cb1fae$1e0696f0$5a13c4d0$@com> Message-ID: <002f01cb1fb7$28a4db40$2101a8c0@userge6zixcg5r> Definitely verify the actual temperature. I have seen many new sending units for MGB and TR6 that read high. Bill DeWar NJTA ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > Infrared gauges are precise on colored surfaces like a black coated > radiator > or rubber hoses. > If you try to measure polished metal surfaces you will get much lower > readings which has something to do with radiation on metal surfaces. > > If you would like to measure the thermostat housing put a strap tape on > the > housing, wait a few seconds for the tape to adjust temperature and then > measure the tape and you'll get the correct temperature. > > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Randall > Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:22 > An: 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > >> Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor >> on sale at 29.95. it has a slug of uses including >> verifying temp gauge accuracy. > > But be careful what you try to shoot with it. I have one, and while it > works well enough on the radiator tanks, it gives readings that are all > over > the place from the thermostat housing or radiator core. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pcdelux at verizon.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Jul 9 16:46:11 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 22:46:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <792380626.1997701278715571410.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I wouldn't use an infrared gauge on tires if you are trying to get three points on the tire. You really need a probe. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert bownes" To: "MadMarx" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, July 9, 2010 3:38:14 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? How are they on tires? On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:31 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Infrared gauges are precise on colored surfaces like a black coated > radiator > or rubber hoses. > If you try to measure polished metal surfaces you will get much lower > readings which has something to do with radiation on metal surfaces. > > If you would like to measure the thermostat housing put a strap tape on the > housing, wait a few seconds for the tape to adjust temperature and then > measure the tape and you'll get the correct temperature. > > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Randall > Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:22 > An: 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > > > Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor > > on sale at 29.95. B B it has a slug of uses including > > verifying temp gauge accuracy. > > But be careful what you try to shoot with it. B I have one, and while it > works well enough on the radiator tanks, it gives readings that are all > over > the place from the thermostat housing or radiator core. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Fri Jul 9 16:57:45 2010 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:57:45 +1000 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods Message-ID: the though of narrower rods at the big end region worries me. I run an engine shop, and know from bitter experience, that excessive side clearance at the big end, is a major source of engine rattles and loss of oil pressure. most rods have a limit of about 0.005"-0.008" and in our race engines, we run them down as low as we can get. there are plenty of custom made rods for TR engines, so why would one bother with an concept that has an intrinsic design flaw? Terry O'Beirne From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 9 17:12:23 2010 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 16:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <927947.55742.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> .....and then there are those who would embrace that condition at the big end. less friction etc. DD the though of narrower rods at the big end region worries me. I run an engine shop, and know from bitter experience, that excessive side clearance at the big end, is a major source of engine rattles and loss of oil pressure. most rods have a limit of about 0.005"-0.008" and in our race engines, we run them down as low as we can get. there are plenty of custom made rods for TR engines, so why would one bother with an concept that has an intrinsic design flaw? Terry O'Beirne _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Fri Jul 9 17:52:20 2010 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 19:52:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: In my case with a TR4A, the fuel gauge also was reading incorrectly. A new voltage stabilizer fixed the problem. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:29 PM Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > Hello All: > > > Need some opinions on what I think might be a problem with my 1969 TR6 > water temp gauge is an electrical unit. Scenario: recently, I've noticed > the car running a bit hot, ie, the needle within an 1/8" of the red zone > on the gauge. I recall at normal operating temp, the needle should be > closer to half way (ambient daytime temps in the 80 - 90 degree range). > Once the needle reaches this "hot" location, it never seems to come back > down at all, regardless of whether I'm at speed or stopped. To me, this is > not normal. > > > What I've done so far: flushed the cooling system, filled with about 35% > anit-freeze, remainder with distilled water; added a few ounces of Water > Wetter; new temp sensor, new thermostat (180 degree), timing checked and > spot on. So far no difference in the way the gauge reacts, indicates the > engine is still running hot so I'm wondering if I might have a gauge going > bad. Anyone have an experience with a faulty water temp gauge? Does it > gradually go bad and give false readings? Thanks. > > > Gary From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Jul 9 19:13:49 2010 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 20:13:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000e01cb1fcd$27cfaef0$776f0cd0$@com> As I recall, the voltage stabilizer also supplies the voltage for the fuel gauge in the stock setup, at least on the TR4-A. So if it's the voltage stabilizer you would also have erratic readings on the fuel gauge. Also, as I recall, when the voltage stabilizer goes bad, both the temp and fuel gauge get pegged. Happened to my wife when driving the TR4-A many, many years ago, so memory may not be correct. I'd have to check an original schematic and compare to the TR6 schematic. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of vintage.racer at comcast.net Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 1:30 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? Hello All: Need some opinions on what I think might be a problem with my 1969 TR6 water temp gauge is an electrical unit. Scenario: recently, I've noticed the car running a bit hot, ie, the needle within an 1/8" of the red zone on the gauge. I recall at normal operating temp, the needle should be closer to half way (ambient daytime temps in the 80 - 90 degree range). Once the needle reaches this "hot" location, it never seems to come back down at all, regardless of whether I'm at speed or stopped. To me, this is not normal. What I've done so far: flushed the cooling system, filled with about 35% anit-freeze, remainder with distilled water; added a few ounces of Water Wetter; new temp sensor, new thermostat (180 degree), timing checked and spot on. So far no difference in the way the gauge reacts, indicates the engine is still running hot so I'm wondering if I might have a gauge going bad. Anyone have an experience with a faulty water temp gauge? Does it gradually go bad and give false readings? Thanks. Gary _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jul 9 21:34:22 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 23:34:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CCEDF7EBD51FAB-34D0-DC5C@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> my voltage stabilizer was missing and read high, of course. installed it and the tr4 showed normal operating temps. -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Van Vlack To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; Friends of Triumph Sent: Fri, Jul 9, 2010 6:52 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In my case with a TR4A, the fuel gauge also was reading incorrectly. A new voltage stabilizer fixed the problem. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:29 PM Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > Hello All: > > > Need some opinions on what I think might be a problem with my 1969 TR6 > water temp gauge is an electrical unit. Scenario: recently, I've noticed > the car running a bit hot, ie, the needle within an 1/8" of the red zone > on the gauge. I recall at normal operating temp, the needle should be > closer to half way (ambient daytime temps in the 80 - 90 degree range). > Once the needle reaches this "hot" location, it never seems to come back > down at all, regardless of whether I'm at speed or stopped. To me, this is > not normal. > > > What I've done so far: flushed the cooling system, filled with about 35% > anit-freeze, remainder with distilled water; added a few ounces of Water > Wetter; new temp sensor, new thermostat (180 degree), timing checked and > spot on. So far no difference in the way the gauge reacts, indicates the > engine is still running hot so I'm wondering if I might have a gauge going > bad. Anyone have an experience with a faulty water temp gauge? Does it > gradually go bad and give false readings? Thanks. > > > Gary _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Jul 10 00:10:14 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 01:10:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: <57602.98930.qm@web111011.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20100709144107.B9DFD18765E@autox.team.net> <57602.98930.qm@web111011.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100710060939.03F1A18766A@autox.team.net> From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jul 10 05:47:52 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 13:47:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <792380626.1997701278715571410.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <792380626.1997701278715571410.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000701cb2025$bbafcad0$330f6070$@com> An infrared gauge is like a camera, it sees heat instead of visible light (different wave length) Some people think with a laser pointer on this gauge you measure the point of the laser b WRONG! The laser shows only the direction you look at with the gauge but depending if you have a wide lense or narrow lense view in your gauge you measureing about an bigger area. So if you want to measure SPOTS on a tire then hold the gauge directly on the surface without any distance, then you do a spot measuring. Cheers Chris Von: toodamnfunky at comcast.net [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net] Gesendet: Samstag, 10. Juli 2010 00:46 An: robert bownes Cc: Friends of Triumph; MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? I wouldn't use an infrared gauge on tires if you are trying to get three points on the tire. You really need a probe. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert bownes" To: "MadMarx" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, July 9, 2010 3:38:14 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? How are they on tires? On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:31 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Infrared gauges are precise on colored surfaces like a black coated > radiator > or rubber hoses. > If you try to measure polished metal surfaces you will get much lower > readings which has something to do with radiation on metal surfaces. > > If you would like to measure the thermostat housing put a strap tape on the > housing, wait a few seconds for the tape to adjust temperature and then > measure the tape and you'll get the correct temperature. > > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Randall > Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 23:22 > An: 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? > > > Harbor Freight has their infra red temp sensor > > on sale at 29.95. it has a slug of uses including > > verifying temp gauge accuracy. > > But be careful what you try to shoot with it. I have one, and while it > works well enough on the radiator tanks, it gives readings that are all > over > the place from the thermostat housing or radiator core. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jul 10 05:57:14 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 13:57:14 +0200 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: References: <39ce0.62baab05.396894a8@cs.com> Message-ID: <000c01cb2027$0bc19340$2344b9c0$@com> There are similar rods for the TR6 from Opel F3 cars. They are titanium made and have narrow big ends. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von robert bownes Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Juli 2010 17:28 An: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods Now if only we could find something similar for the 6 cylinder... On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:05 AM, wrote: > We have had them in our engine for about three years. > > I am looking for the spec sheet on them.......somewhere on my computer. > > They require grinding the crank to another dimension so you can use Chevy > Bearings (cheap & good) (Clevite 777?) > > They also need to be rebushed with good bronze bushings. > > Spacers need to be produced to center the rod in the piston. > > I adjusted the pressure on the oil pressure regulator up slightly to get it > back to the same reading, as it is narrower at the low end. > > I'd have to say that I am pleased with Uncle Jack's research leading to > this change. > > There are some one time costs, but that should settle out to bearing > replacement. > > I think the Clevite bearings about $25 for a set of eight. > > Joe A > > > > > Good Morng Family, could i get a little input on what type or application > > of > > the chevrolet connecting rods some of you folks are useing in the tractor > > engines as i have seen mentioned, starting on a spare engine and they > > sounded > > like a possable alternative to what i have been using, any input > > ??.....Thanks..........Mark Pendy........#65TR4 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jul 10 06:02:18 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:02:18 +0200 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000d01cb2027$bf879be0$3e96d3a0$@com> As far I run these rods I have up to 95 PSI pressure and if the engine gets very during a hot weather race like in Assen the last weekend the pressure drops down to 80PSI. Idle pressure is 50PSI and after a hot weather race 35PSI. Main points about the rod are: They are cheap 8 rods for 500$ They are long They are 40gr lighter than Carillos Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Enquiries Road & Track Gesendet: Samstag, 10. Juli 2010 00:58 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods the though of narrower rods at the big end region worries me. I run an engine shop, and know from bitter experience, that excessive side clearance at the big end, is a major source of engine rattles and loss of oil pressure. most rods have a limit of about 0.005"-0.008" and in our race engines, we run them down as low as we can get. there are plenty of custom made rods for TR engines, so why would one bother with an concept that has an intrinsic design flaw? Terry O'Beirne _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Jul 10 07:36:08 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:36:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: <000d01cb2027$bf879be0$3e96d3a0$@com> References: <000d01cb2027$bf879be0$3e96d3a0$@com> Message-ID: <4C387748.70005@pobox.com> Yes, the main reason is cost, but secondary reasons are weight and rod length. What is the current cost of a billet crank and Carillos - $3500? The total cost for rods and crank (welding, grinding and nitriding) for my engine was about $700. uncle jack worked out a cheap kit for the conversion, but I think he decided there was not sufficient interest. He had the price down under $500. Low oil pressure was initially a concern, but there is now plenty of evidence to discount this worry. There are two ways to center the rod - using spacers on the wrist pin or by modifying the crank. I chose to modify the crank by welding a bead on the edges of the crankpin. Both methods work. The spacer method is simpler. If you are considering a billet crank and Carillos, why not have the crank made for a different rod? Moldex told me there would be no additional cost. Larry Young > the though of narrower rods at the big end region worries me. > > I run an engine shop, and know from bitter experience, that excessive side > clearance at the big end, is a major source of engine rattles and loss of > oil pressure. most rods have a limit of about 0.005"-0.008" and in our race > engines, we run them down as low as we can get. > > there are plenty of custom made rods for TR engines, so why would one bother > with an concept that has an intrinsic design flaw? > > Terry O'Beirne From gaf3 at charter.net Sat Jul 10 08:29:12 2010 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:29:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4C3883B8.7030501@charter.net> Gary If you don't want to spend the $ on an infrared temp device, Lisle (and many others) makes a drop in thermometer that goes in the radiator neck. I have been using these for years without incident. At least you will be able to measure the true coolant temp and see when the thermostat opens. Of course start with a cold engine. You can't measure on the run but you can't with the infrared either.The infrared will only provide surface temps. If you have a fluke with or similar VOM with a receptacle for a thermocouple, you can insert the thermocouple under the upper radiator hose (or any other place you desire) into the coolant. Run the thermocouple wire into the passenger compartment and you can monitor your coolant temp at any speed or condition. We use to run hundred of these during vehicle development tests. I agree with the other posts that it's likely a voltage stabilizer or bad sending unit, but you never know definitively until you test. Good Luck Glenn Franco vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote: > Hello All: > > > Need some opinions on what I think might be a problem with my 1969 TR6 water temp gauge is an electrical unit. Scenario: recently, I've noticed the car running a bit hot, ie, the needle within an 1/8" of the red zone on the gauge. I recall at normal operating temp, the needle should be closer to half way (ambient daytime temps in the 80 - 90 degree range). Once the needle reaches this "hot" location, it never seems to come back down at all, regardless of whether I'm at speed or stopped. To me, this is not normal. > > > What I've done so far: flushed the cooling system, filled with about 35% anit-freeze, remainder with distilled water; added a few ounces of Water Wetter; new temp sensor, new thermostat (180 degree), timing checked and spot on. So far no difference in the way the gauge reacts, indicates the engine is still running hot so I'm wondering if I might have a gauge going bad. Anyone have an experience with a faulty water temp gauge? Does it gradually go bad and give false readings? Thanks. > > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jul 10 08:30:08 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:30:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam In-Reply-To: <4C387748.70005@pobox.com> References: <000d01cb2027$bf879be0$3e96d3a0$@com> <4C387748.70005@pobox.com> Message-ID: <8CCEE53883189EA-34D0-10AA6@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> We expect to continue to run the Chevy Rods. It just seems to work well. But combine this with the Larry Young cam and it is even better. The engine comes on strong earlier in the revs and we shift 5500-6000 RPM Seems like a brilliant combination with OEM crank. It is the best performance we have seen with this TR4 without dipping into my 401k. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:36 am Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods Yes, the main reason is cost, but secondary reasons are weight and rod ength. What is the current cost of a billet crank and Carillos - 3500? The total cost for rods and crank (welding, grinding and itriding) for my engine was about $700. uncle jack worked out a cheap it for the conversion, but I think he decided there was not sufficient nterest. He had the price down under $500. Low oil pressure was initially a concern, but there is now plenty of vidence to discount this worry. There are two ways to center the rod - using spacers on the wrist pin or y modifying the crank. I chose to modify the crank by welding a bead n the edges of the crankpin. Both methods work. The spacer method is impler. If you are considering a billet crank and Carillos, why not have the rank made for a different rod? Moldex told me there would be no dditional cost. arry Young the though of narrower rods at the big end region worries me. I run an engine shop, and know from bitter experience, that excessive side clearance at the big end, is a major source of engine rattles and loss of oil pressure. most rods have a limit of about 0.005"-0.008" and in our race engines, we run them down as low as we can get. there are plenty of custom made rods for TR engines, so why would one bother with an concept that has an intrinsic design flaw? Terry O'Beirne ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sat Jul 10 08:42:25 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:42:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam In-Reply-To: <8CCEE53883189EA-34D0-10AA6@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <000d01cb2027$bf879be0$3e96d3a0$@com> <4C387748.70005@pobox.com> <8CCEE53883189EA-34D0-10AA6@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <002201cb203e$1d7acf40$58706dc0$@rr.com> Same combination works for me. I am using Eagle SIR rods and custom Wiseco pistons. The rods are the stock length, next time I might try a shorter skirt longer rod combination. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 9:30 AM To: cartravel at pobox.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam We expect to continue to run the Chevy Rods. It just seems to work well. But combine this with the Larry Young cam and it is even better. The engine comes on strong earlier in the revs and we shift 5500-6000 RPM Seems like a brilliant combination with OEM crank. It is the best performance we have seen with this TR4 without dipping into my 401k. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:36 am Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods Yes, the main reason is cost, but secondary reasons are weight and rod ength. What is the current cost of a billet crank and Carillos - 3500? The total cost for rods and crank (welding, grinding and itriding) for my engine was about $700. uncle jack worked out a cheap it for the conversion, but I think he decided there was not sufficient nterest. He had the price down under $500. Low oil pressure was initially a concern, but there is now plenty of vidence to discount this worry. There are two ways to center the rod - using spacers on the wrist pin or y modifying the crank. I chose to modify the crank by welding a bead n the edges of the crankpin. Both methods work. The spacer method is impler. If you are considering a billet crank and Carillos, why not have the rank made for a different rod? Moldex told me there would be no dditional cost. arry Young the though of narrower rods at the big end region worries me. I run an engine shop, and know from bitter experience, that excessive side clearance at the big end, is a major source of engine rattles and loss of oil pressure. most rods have a limit of about 0.005"-0.008" and in our race engines, we run them down as low as we can get. there are plenty of custom made rods for TR engines, so why would one bother with an concept that has an intrinsic design flaw? Terry O'Beirne ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat Jul 10 09:40:49 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:40:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? In-Reply-To: <4C3883B8.7030501@charter.net> References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <4C3883B8.7030501@charter.net> Message-ID: <0ECF7B2E-150D-4A75-B017-F4F33E0780E7@earthlink.net> I run a mechanical SW water temp gauge that works great. No electricity required. ~Steve From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jul 10 09:44:16 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:44:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? References: <163645482.1602311278700192932.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><4C3883B8.7030501@charter.net> <0ECF7B2E-150D-4A75-B017-F4F33E0780E7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <27A91B27B498471A99B0CFF542502D0B@Bud> definetely go mechanical.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Faulty Water Temp Gauge? >I run a mechanical SW water temp gauge that works great. No electricity >required. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sat Jul 10 11:48:10 2010 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:48:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam In-Reply-To: <002201cb203e$1d7acf40$58706dc0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <502856193.50494.1278784090069.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Wow...the vintage rules must be more liberal than ever if they are now allowing alternate length rods. SCCA hasB limited prep which require stock rods and cranks, stock suspension pickup points, etc...etc...but we still get cool glass flared fenders and slicks. Hasn't rule always been that the alternate rods must be of the same centre to centre dimensions? aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: n197tr4 at cs.com, cartravel at pobox.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 10:42:25 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods B and Larry Young Cam Same combination works for me. B I am using Eagle SIR rods and custom Wiseco pistons. B The rods are the stock length, next time I might try a shorter skirt longer rod combination. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 9:30 AM To: cartravel at pobox.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam We expect to continue to run the Chevy Rods. It just seems to work well. But combine this with the Larry Young cam and it is even better. The engine comes on strong earlier in the revs and we shift 5500-6000 RPM Seems like a brilliant combination with OEM crank. It is the best performance we have seen with this TR4 without dipping into my 401k. Joe A From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sat Jul 10 11:48:10 2010 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:48:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam In-Reply-To: <002201cb203e$1d7acf40$58706dc0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <502856193.50494.1278784090069.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Wow...the vintage rules must be more liberal than ever if they are now allowing alternate length rods. SCCA hasB limited prep which require stock rods and cranks, stock suspension pickup points, etc...etc...but we still get cool glass flared fenders and slicks. Hasn't rule always been that the alternate rods must be of the same centre to centre dimensions? aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: n197tr4 at cs.com, cartravel at pobox.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 10:42:25 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods B and Larry Young Cam Same combination works for me. B I am using Eagle SIR rods and custom Wiseco pistons. B The rods are the stock length, next time I might try a shorter skirt longer rod combination. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 9:30 AM To: cartravel at pobox.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam We expect to continue to run the Chevy Rods. It just seems to work well. But combine this with the Larry Young cam and it is even better. The engine comes on strong earlier in the revs and we shift 5500-6000 RPM Seems like a brilliant combination with OEM crank. It is the best performance we have seen with this TR4 without dipping into my 401k. Joe A From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Jul 10 13:46:37 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:46:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam References: <502856193.50494.1278784090069.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <5D0AD7C4E4424C20BDBE9D96AADEF03A@latitudefb1e41> You are correct, but this is one of the more common "variations" that people do. When you have Spridgets that spin 8 or 9 grand it is more than just more durable Carillos. One guy told me something about using Honda rods in a Sunbeam that were bullet proof, half the weight and added stroke, all in the name of durability. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam > Wow...the vintage rules must be more liberal than ever if they are now > allowing alternate length rods. > > > > SCCA hasB limited prep which require stock rods and cranks, stock > suspension > pickup points, etc...etc...but we still get cool glass flared fenders and > slicks. > > > > Hasn't rule always been that the alternate rods must be of the same centre > to > centre dimensions? > > > > aaron > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg & Alison Blake" > To: n197tr4 at cs.com, cartravel at pobox.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 10:42:25 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods B and Larry Young Cam > > Same combination works for me. B I am using Eagle SIR rods and custom > Wiseco > pistons. B The rods are the stock length, next time I might try a shorter > skirt longer rod combination. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com > Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 9:30 AM > To: cartravel at pobox.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam > > We expect to continue to run the Chevy Rods. It just seems to work well. > > But combine this with the Larry Young cam and it is even better. > > The engine comes on strong earlier in the revs and we shift 5500-6000 RPM > > Seems like a brilliant combination with OEM crank. > > It is the best performance we have seen with this TR4 without dipping into > my > 401k. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From mark at bradakis.com Sat Jul 10 14:01:31 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:01:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam In-Reply-To: <5D0AD7C4E4424C20BDBE9D96AADEF03A@latitudefb1e41> References: <502856193.50494.1278784090069.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <5D0AD7C4E4424C20BDBE9D96AADEF03A@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <4C38D19B.6070903@bradakis.com> > One guy told me something about using Honda rods in a Sunbeam that were > bullet proof, half the weight and added stroke, all in the name of durability. Added stroke in what sense? Alternate TR6 rods would also work for large journal Spit 1300 and 1500. mjb. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Jul 10 14:29:19 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 15:29:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam References: <502856193.50494.1278784090069.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><5D0AD7C4E4424C20BDBE9D96AADEF03A@latitudefb1e41> <4C38D19B.6070903@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <68D6B11928D04BF78C1ED69132EB1056@latitudefb1e41> Maybe I mispoke. They were longer requiring hockey puck pistons. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam > > One guy told me something about using Honda rods in a Sunbeam that were > > bullet proof, half the weight and added stroke, all in the name of > durability. > > Added stroke in what sense? > > Alternate TR6 rods would also work for large journal Spit 1300 and 1500. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From bownes at seiri.com Sat Jul 10 15:51:25 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:51:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam In-Reply-To: <4C38D19B.6070903@bradakis.com> References: <502856193.50494.1278784090069.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <5D0AD7C4E4424C20BDBE9D96AADEF03A@latitudefb1e41> <4C38D19B.6070903@bradakis.com> Message-ID: A bit of googling last night turned up some Dodge 6 cylinder (215/245 iirc)rods that are the right length (5.750") and BE size for the 6/1500 engines. No real other savings as they were about the same weight, but more searching might turn up an alternative to that in alloy. On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > > One guy told me something about using Honda rods in a Sunbeam that were > > bullet proof, half the weight and added stroke, all in the name of > durability. > > Added stroke in what sense? > > Alternate TR6 rods would also work for large journal Spit 1300 and 1500. > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jul 10 18:41:28 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:41:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: YouTube - Top Gear S15E01 Part 4 More Gre3at Brit stuff! Message-ID: <699842B288864643A9F20C79037E2C82@Bud> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8WA7WtzMT4&feature=related From malaboge at aol.com Sat Jul 10 19:50:49 2010 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 21:50:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam In-Reply-To: <502856193.50494.1278784090069.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CCEEB29F0AEB4D-2320-C30D@Webmail-d105.sysops.aol.com> wow... Finally I see a glimmer of reality...THIS IS VINTAGE RACING...like how it was back in the day. Not all cars were created equal, and the owners had to deal with myriad different strengths and weaknesses of their favorite mount. That is supposed to be what we are doing today...preserving that moment in tyme, not building a Formula One car with a vintage body! I've seen people posting pictures of their rebuilds wherein all sorts of things are evident that were never allowed "back in the day". If I had the proverbial nickel for everytime I've heard "thats how the did it back then" to substantiate some modern update that was never allowed, I'd be rich. Does anybody recall Anatoly being disqualified for .002 or .003 oversize valves in his Morgan, "back in the day". Now I see oversize valves in everything, 92 mm TR's, 2 liter B's, fat wheels and big carbs on everything. THATS NOT HOW IT WAS! You wanna race, go get a Miata or FF or whatever and GO RACING. This is supposed to be about the cars and how they were, not how can I update my car to be faster than the car ever was "back in the day". OK, I'm gonna go take a chill pill an get off the soapbox now... re-buildin olde race cars one at a tyme... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:48 am Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam Wow...the vintage rules must be more liberal than ever if they are now llowing alternate length rods. SCCA hasB limited prep which require stock rods and cranks, stock suspension ickup points, etc...etc...but we still get cool glass flared fenders and licks. Hasn't rule always been that the alternate rods must be of the same centre to entre dimensions? aaron From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 11 02:46:25 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 10:46:25 +0200 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam In-Reply-To: <8CCEEB29F0AEB4D-2320-C30D@Webmail-d105.sysops.aol.com> References: <502856193.50494.1278784090069.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <8CCEEB29F0AEB4D-2320-C30D@Webmail-d105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000301cb20d5$8cf8a760$a6e9f620$@com> What you are describing remembers me to people who are getting dressed in old uniforms and "playing" war like it was at the old days. You have them in USA and we have them in Europe. But the vintage racers are not playing racing they DO risk their lives in those cars. At the times Kas run the works team he had plenty of cranks, heads, rods, axles, bodys and stuff. If a crank got broke - don't bother, a call to England a they shipped some new engines overseas. Today a racer might have one or maybe two engines and if things go wrong in most cases this is end of the season. As we are not earning our money with vintage racing why not replacing dangerous or easy breaking pars of the car with billet cranks and rods, forged pistons, special valves, better designed axles as this keeps the cost low over the years and reducing the risk to get hurt. Okay, the cars are faster then they were back in time but this is how the world goes, better oil, better brake fluid, better brake pads, better tires, and more fun for the spectators and drivers if the car are faster, as most of the tracks are smoothed out to a better safety. I have no complaints about that as long it is kept in rules people due to. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von malaboge at aol.com Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Juli 2010 03:51 An: fpspitfire at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net; vintage-race at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam wow... Finally I see a glimmer of reality...THIS IS VINTAGE RACING...like how it was back in the day. Not all cars were created equal, and the owners had to deal with myriad different strengths and weaknesses of their favorite mount. That is supposed to be what we are doing today...preserving that moment in tyme, not building a Formula One car with a vintage body! I've seen people posting pictures of their rebuilds wherein all sorts of things are evident that were never allowed "back in the day". If I had the proverbial nickel for everytime I've heard "thats how the did it back then" to substantiate some modern update that was never allowed, I'd be rich. Does anybody recall Anatoly being disqualified for .002 or .003 oversize valves in his Morgan, "back in the day". Now I see oversize valves in everything, 92 mm TR's, 2 liter B's, fat wheels and big carbs on everything. THATS NOT HOW IT WAS! You wanna race, go get a Miata or FF or whatever and GO RACING. This is supposed to be about the cars and how they were, not how can I update my car to be faster than the car ever was "back in the day". OK, I'm gonna go take a chill pill an get off the soapbox now... re-buildin olde race cars one at a tyme... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:48 am Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam Wow...the vintage rules must be more liberal than ever if they are now llowing alternate length rods. SCCA hasB limited prep which require stock rods and cranks, stock suspension ickup points, etc...etc...but we still get cool glass flared fenders and licks. Hasn't rule always been that the alternate rods must be of the same centre to entre dimensions? aaron _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jul 11 11:57:31 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 13:57:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR at Heartland Park Message-ID: <8CCEF39AAE7B05B-34D0-1A8FA@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> FOT, I am pleased to announce that the President of VTR, Blake Discher, will be attending and supporting the Kastner Cup activities at the HEARTLAND VINTAGE GRAND PRIX. He will circle the VTR Regional wagons and this will result in additional Triumph owner attendance flowing through the gate. There may be a VTR Hospitality Tent in our midst in the Paddock. A poster is under discussion and likely will be available for Kas to sign....as well as the owner of the featured car on the poster. Blake and VTR were strong supporters when we were at the Glen, if you remember. I was very pleased to hear from him today. (If you are not already a VTR Member, this is something to consider) Just a reminder, Ramada Inn has killer rates for this event. Joe A From goodparts at verizon.net Mon Jul 12 05:29:26 2010 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 07:29:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] u-joint alignment? In-Reply-To: <034DEBD8-2B4B-4823-AED6-73959F0F15A0@comcast.net> References: <034DEBD8-2B4B-4823-AED6-73959F0F15A0@comcast.net> Message-ID: Scott, The yokes on each end should be aligned so that if you stuck a shaft through each yoke, they would be parallel. The alignment is critical so the velocity oscillations cancel out. The greater the operating angle, the greater the oscillations to be cancelled. Also, the axis of the driving and driven shafts must be parallel for full cancellation. In the case of our axle shafts, this only happens with zero toe and zero camber so most of the time we have some nasty efficiency loss from the axles trying to accelerate and decelerate the wheel twice each revolution. Given all that, I am not sure you would notice any difference with the half shaft yokes being off 5-10 degrees but it would certainly be better if they were aligned properly. If it was on the driveshaft I would guess you would notice some vibration. Richard Good Good Parts -------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott Janzen" Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:26 PM To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Subject: [Fot] u-joint alignment? > On drive shafts and half shafts, should the axis of the u-joints be > aligned to the one on the other end, perpendicular, or something in > between, or does it matter? On the half-shafts on my GT6, I don't > think I can get perfect alignment given how the spines are machined - > looks to be 5-10 degrees off. > _______________________________________________ From billb at bnj.com Mon Jul 12 13:35:55 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:35:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods In-Reply-To: <927947.55742.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <927947.55742.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <74B69422-E271-4203-91C0-EFC983EE8166@bnj.com> Most old designs have rod bearings that are too wide. Any plain bearing width and diameter is a compromise. Excessive width and excess diameter not only increase friction, they can actually wear faster > > the though of narrower rods at the big end region worries me. > > I run an engine shop, and know from bitter experience, that excessive side > clearance at the big end, is a major source of engine rattles and loss of > oil pressure. most rods have a limit of about 0.005"-0.008" and in our race > engines, we run them down as low as we can get. > > there are plenty of custom made rods for TR engines, so why would one bother > with an concept that has an intrinsic design flaw? > > Terry O'Beirne From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Jul 12 17:01:48 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:01:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters Message-ID: <000c01cb2216$381d2490$a8576db0$@rr.com> I am running a Mallory points dist. and need recommendations on a rev limiter. I am looking at the Petronix digital rev limiter, but I know nothing about the other options or pros and cons. Thanks in advance. Greg From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jul 12 17:54:14 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:54:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters In-Reply-To: <000c01cb2216$381d2490$a8576db0$@rr.com> References: <000c01cb2216$381d2490$a8576db0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <3FCDA481340242CE8BF3D06EDA6A4532@joepentiumnew> I like the MSD that has a soft Rev Limiter. If your sanctioning body allows the MSD ignition system, it might be your best bet. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 4:02 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters I am running a Mallory points dist. and need recommendations on a rev limiter. I am looking at the Petronix digital rev limiter, but I know nothing about the other options or pros and cons. Thanks in advance. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From robertten1 at aol.com Mon Jul 12 18:23:08 2010 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 20:23:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters In-Reply-To: <000c01cb2216$381d2490$a8576db0$@rr.com> References: <000c01cb2216$381d2490$a8576db0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CCF038B2F40B6B-C98-50F1@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> Greg, I currently use the MSD Soft-touch Rev Limiter with my Mallory, works fine. My $.02, Bob T. -----Original Message----- From: Greg & Alison Blake To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:01 pm Subject: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters I am running a Mallory points dist. and need recommendations on a rev limiter. I am looking at the Petronix digital rev limiter, but I know nothing about the other options or pros and cons. Thanks in advance. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 13 01:05:02 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 09:05:02 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters In-Reply-To: <000c01cb2216$381d2490$a8576db0$@rr.com> References: <000c01cb2216$381d2490$a8576db0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000301cb2259$bd412cf0$37c386d0$@com> I run an Omex rev limiter which can be switched to hard or soft cut. I use hard cut. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Greg & Alison Blake Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Juli 2010 01:02 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters I am running a Mallory points dist. and need recommendations on a rev limiter. I am looking at the Petronix digital rev limiter, but I know nothing about the other options or pros and cons. Thanks in advance. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 13 08:35:23 2010 From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (William Collins) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 09:35:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. Message-ID: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went with a solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to lower compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and I'm looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest of the year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends Hylomar. Suggestions? Bill Collins Euless, TX '72 spit /1296 sj From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jul 13 08:58:31 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:58:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 max oil capacity Message-ID: <1287600888.2866971279033111856.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> RMVR will be racing at Pikes Peak International this weekend up on the banked oval and eventually the infield. I have an accusump and an oil pan baffle and B I was wondering if there is any merit in slightly overfilling the crankcase to avoid oil starvation through nascar T-1 & T-2. Thanks, Jim G. From chasgee at aol.com Tue Jul 13 09:05:19 2010 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 11:05:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters In-Reply-To: <8CCF038B2F40B6B-C98-50F1@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> References: <000c01cb2216$381d2490$a8576db0$@rr.com> <8CCF038B2F40B6B-C98-50F1@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CCF0B3F1A325D6-1354-E2AF@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> I use the one between my ears. Sometimes it doesn't work... -----Original Message----- From: robertten1 at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:23 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters Greg, I currently use the MSD Soft-touch Rev Limiter with my Mallory, works fine. My $.02, ob T. ----Original Message----- rom: Greg & Alison Blake o: fot at autox.team.net ent: Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:01 pm ubject: [Fot] Recomendations for rev limiters am running a Mallory points dist. and need recommendations on a rev limiter. I am looking at the Petronix digital rev limiter, but I know nothing about the other options or pros and cons. Thanks in advance. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Jul 13 09:08:25 2010 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 10:08:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> References: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FC6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I've had trouble getting my copper head gaskets to seal on my Spitfire motors unless the head and block surfaces are very, very smooth (and clean). Once the surfaces were smooth, I had reasonable luck getting them to seal using spray-on Copper Coat, spraying it on both sides, hanging it to dry until it was tacky. Ultimately, I have gone back to the composite gaskets - the Payen gasket with the rubbery surfaces. They work every time. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Collins Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 9:35 AM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went with a solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to lower compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and I'm looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest of the year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends Hylomar. Suggestions? Bill Collins Euless, TX '72 spit /1296 sj _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Tue Jul 13 09:12:42 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 10:12:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> References: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> Message-ID: Been there done that on my tr6. All my head gasket issues went away when I started using Payen gaskets. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2010, at 9:35 AM, "William Collins" wrote: > I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went with a > solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to lower > compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and I'm > looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest of the > year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends Hylomar. > Suggestions? > Bill Collins > Euless, TX > '72 spit /1296 sj > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jul 13 09:42:47 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:42:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FC6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FC6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: I echo what Scott says. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:08 AM To: William Collins; 'Friends of Triumph'Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. I've had trouble getting my copper head gaskets to seal on my Spitfire motors unless the head and block surfaces are very, very smooth (and clean). Once the surfaces were smooth, I had reasonable luck getting them to seal using spray-on Copper Coat, spraying it on both sides, hanging it to dry until it was tacky. Ultimately, I have gone back to the composite gaskets - the Payen gasket with the rubbery surfaces. They work every time. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Collins Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 9:35 AM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went with a solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to lower compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and I'm looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest of the year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends Hylomar. Suggestions? Bill Collins Euless, TX '72 spit /1296 sj _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tedtsimx at bright.net Tue Jul 13 09:43:24 2010 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 11:43:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: References: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> Message-ID: <4C3C899C.6070808@bright.net> That's why we use Payen on all our engine builds. Ted Mike Munson wrote: > Been there done that on my tr6. > All my head gasket issues went away when I started using Payen gaskets. > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 13, 2010, at 9:35 AM, "William Collins" wrote: > > >> I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went with >> > a > >> solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to lower >> compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and I'm >> looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest of >> > the > >> year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends >> > Hylomar. > >> Suggestions? >> Bill Collins >> Euless, TX >> '72 spit /1296 sj >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tedtsimx at bright.net > > > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From billb at bnj.com Tue Jul 13 09:52:56 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:52:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 max oil capacity In-Reply-To: <1287600888.2866971279033111856.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1287600888.2866971279033111856.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Highly unlikely as long as you accusump is working. If it has an electric actuation valve it might refill slowly after the oil pump loses and then regains suction, but more oil slung up against the side of the pan isn't going to help that. On Jul 13, 2010, at 7:58 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > RMVR will be racing at Pikes Peak International this weekend up on the banked > oval > > and eventually the infield. > > I have an accusump and an oil pan baffle and B I was wondering if there is any > > merit in slightly overfilling the crankcase to avoid oil starvation through > nascar T-1 & T-2. > > Thanks, > > Jim G. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From billb at bnj.com Tue Jul 13 09:57:31 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:57:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FC6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FC6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8FE69E45-8A25-4E6D-B94A-F4933B5E5C63@bnj.com> Yamabond #4. Most folks recommend the Copper Coat, but I believe Yamabond works better for keeping oil and water in their places. Also, you need to be sure the cylinders stand properly proud and both the head and block are flat. Gaskets can't compensate for that and still seal in combustion gases. Remember that the copper gasket is not really compressible. The surface is soft so little irregularities and defects can push up into the copper, but if the prep isn't right they won't work much better than the shim steel gaskets. On Jul 13, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Barr, Scott wrote: > I've had trouble getting my copper head gaskets to seal on my Spitfire > motors unless the head and block surfaces are very, very smooth (and > clean). Once the surfaces were smooth, I had reasonable luck getting > them to seal using spray-on Copper Coat, spraying it on both sides, > hanging it to dry until it was tacky. > > Ultimately, I have gone back to the composite gaskets - the Payen gasket > with the rubbery surfaces. They work every time. > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of William Collins > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 9:35 AM > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. > > I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went > with a > solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to > lower > compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and > I'm > looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest > of the > year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends > Hylomar. > Suggestions? > Bill Collins > Euless, TX > '72 spit /1296 sj > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Jul 13 11:53:11 2010 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 13:53:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: <4C3C899C.6070808@bright.net> References: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> <4C3C899C.6070808@bright.net> Message-ID: <8CCF0CB6514803F-1324-137D@webmail-m074.sysops.aol.com> OK yeah another vote for Payen. The only way I have ever been able to get a reliable seal on the 1300 with copper gasket is with o-rings. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Ted Schumacher To: Mike Munson Cc: William Collins ; 'Friends of Triumph'Triumph Sent: Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:43 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. That's why we use Payen on all our engine builds. Ted Mike Munson wrote: > Been there done that on my tr6. > All my head gasket issues went away when I started using Payen gaskets. > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 13, 2010, at 9:35 AM, "William Collins" wrote: > > >> I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went with >> > a > >> solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to lower >> compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and I'm >> looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest of >> > the > >> year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends >> > Hylomar. > >> Suggestions? >> Bill Collins >> Euless, TX >> '72 spit /1296 sj >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tedtsimx at bright.net > > > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From s.janzen at comcast.net Tue Jul 13 13:01:15 2010 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:01:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Beaverun - Pittsburgh this weekend Message-ID: <05AAD258-4958-43A8-9EAF-55B8C3054172@comcast.net> I'll be there with the GT6. Will there be any other Triumphs racing? Scott Janzen 1968 GT6 From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 13 14:26:39 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:26:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Message-ID: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A From rikrock at live.com Tue Jul 13 14:59:08 2010 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:59:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Beaverun - Pittsburgh this weekend In-Reply-To: <05AAD258-4958-43A8-9EAF-55B8C3054172@comcast.net> References: <05AAD258-4958-43A8-9EAF-55B8C3054172@comcast.net> Message-ID: Dave Miller will be there with his TR4. Rich Rock _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jul 13 15:21:00 2010 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:21:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mosport, because it is close to me and a well liked track. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: July 13, 2010 4:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Jul 13 15:24:18 2010 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:24:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FC7E@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Road America Autobahn Gingerman Mid-Ohio -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From andre at gt6.ca Tue Jul 13 15:45:45 2010 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:45:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 2nd that vote ;) A. On 13 July 2010 17:21, macdonaldp wrote: > Mosport, because it is close to me and a well liked track. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com > Sent: July 13, 2010 4:27 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION > MAKING > > FOT > > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > CUP. > > Register your preference immediately. > > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jul 13 16:14:32 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:14:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com><703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <364104017F3A4F5A96D2CE0E6A60F2F9@Bud> Laguna Seca..or.Infineon RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "macdonaldp" Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > 2nd that vote ;) > > A. > > On 13 July 2010 17:21, macdonaldp wrote: >> Mosport, because it is close to me and a well liked track. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com >> Sent: July 13, 2010 4:27 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR >> DECISION >> MAKING >> >> FOT >> >> We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER >> CUP. >> >> Register your preference immediately. >> >> No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. >> >> Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. >> >> Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. >> >> We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? >> >> Joe A >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca >> >> >> > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From adams910 at gmail.com Tue Jul 13 16:15:52 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 18:15:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Something on the east coast in the Mid Atlantic area (VIR, Summit, NJMP). There are a lot of Triumph racers in the Northeast, Mid Atlantic, and South East. Don't make it too early in the year too. From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Jul 13 16:31:42 2010 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 18:31:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601cb22db$2ba02990$82e07cb0$@rr.com> Mosport is my favorite event with VARAC at my favorite track even though I live 30 minutes from Watkins Glen. Tons of seat time with way more than 5 lap feature events. Free camping; no motorhome parking fees, track is open well in advance of event for those arriving early and no problem staying on site until Monday to leave. Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:46 PM To: macdonaldp Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING 2nd that vote ;) A. On 13 July 2010 17:21, macdonaldp wrote: > Mosport, because it is close to me and a well liked track. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com > Sent: July 13, 2010 4:27 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION > MAKING > > FOT > > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > CUP. > > Register your preference immediately. > > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Jul 13 16:37:25 2010 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 18:37:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4C3CEAA5.6030001@cfl.rr.com> Roebling Road, Savannah, GA Road Atlanta GA Sebring FL Bob Davis On 7/13/2010 4:26 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT > > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > CUP. > > Register your preference immediately. > > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue Jul 13 18:06:12 2010 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:06:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <4C3CEAA5.6030001@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: Mid-America Motorplex, south of Omaha. It's middle of the country, giving you the same advantages geographically that Hallett provided and you'll get at HPT this year. Okay, so maybe the event should move around a bit, go east in 2011, west in 2012, but come back to the middle and try MAM. It's tabletop flat, which means you can see THE WHOLE TRACK from the stands at the south end. It's not too fast, which seems to favor LBCs. I run out of 4th gear right at the end of whichever of the two long straights has the tailwind. 14 turns in 2.23 miles and no turn stands alone -- every turn is in combination with at least one other. What's chance for a June date? I won't drive at HPT this year because it's too close to the Solo Nationals (I do both, race and solo) and I'm not taking the chance of breaking anything that close to my major event of the year. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > Roebling Road, Savannah, GA > Road Atlanta GA > Sebring FL > > Bob Davis > > On 7/13/2010 4:26 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >> FOT >> >> We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER >> CUP. >> >> Register your preference immediately. >> >> No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. >> >> Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. >> >> Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. >> >> We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? >> >> Joe A >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From fpspitfire at comcast.net Tue Jul 13 18:45:23 2010 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <590600008.40697.1279068323065.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ----- Original Message ----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 4:26:39 PM Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 13 19:10:29 2010 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 18:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <364104017F3A4F5A96D2CE0E6A60F2F9@Bud> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com><703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <364104017F3A4F5A96D2CE0E6A60F2F9@Bud> Message-ID: <835908.72007.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> and I'll second that! If my truck makes it to California I might just stay there. DD Laguna Seca..or.Infineon RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "macdonaldp" Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > 2nd that vote ;) > > A. > > On 13 July 2010 17:21, macdonaldp wrote: >> Mosport, because it is close to me and a well liked track. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com >> Sent: July 13, 2010 4:27 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR >> DECISION >> MAKING >> >> FOT >> >> We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER >> CUP. >> >> Register your preference immediately. >> >> No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. >> >> Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. >> >> Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. >> >> We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? >> >> Joe A >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca >> >> >> > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Jul 13 19:32:13 2010 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 01:32:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <192867235.44023.1279071133287.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I'll second Laguna or Infineon Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:26:39 PM Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From wredinger at oppd.com Tue Jul 13 19:52:50 2010 From: wredinger at oppd.com (REDINGER, WILLIAM E) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:52:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Pittsburg Vintage Grand Prix. Though it might be hard to get a special group accepted! Bill ________________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com [n197tr4 at cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:26 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wredinger at oppd.com This e-mail contains Omaha Public Power District's confidential and proprietary information and is for use only by the intended recipient. Unless explicitly stated otherwise, this e-mail is not a contract offer, amendment, nor acceptance. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue Jul 13 20:13:48 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 02:13:48 GMT Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Message-ID: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ____________________________________________________________ $13/Month Car Insurance? Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue Jul 13 20:24:30 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 02:24:30 GMT Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Message-ID: <20100713.222430.26485.2@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Summit Point is a great track and I hear it was repaved. Another great mid-atlantic track, or should I say tracks, is New Jersey Motorsports Park. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:26:39 -0400 FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d2021c00e5290121st04duc From billb at bnj.com Tue Jul 13 20:45:47 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:45:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <000601cb22db$2ba02990$82e07cb0$@rr.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <703546.17506.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <000601cb22db$2ba02990$82e07cb0$@rr.com> Message-ID: I liked Mosport too, though it's a hell of a tow for left coasters. And you need to grow a third testicle before you set a tire on the track. Infineon is one of my favorite west coast tracks. On Jul 13, 2010, at 3:31 PM, Spitfire Racing wrote: > Mosport is my favorite event with VARAC at my favorite track even though I > live 30 minutes from Watkins Glen. Tons of seat time with way more than 5 > lap feature events. Free camping; no motorhome parking fees, track is open > well in advance of event for those arriving early and no problem staying on > site until Monday to leave. > Russ Moore > > ----- From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 13 21:22:46 2010 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:22:46 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness Message-ID: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I have a customers rear end at a rear end shop and they are having a tough time setting up the pinion bearing depth. The owner took it all apart and had it powder coated and tossed out the shims so no starting point for the rear end shop. Any one have any good starting point. Thanks Joe Chequered Flag Racing .net Joseph P. Siam 9833 Deering Ave unit I Chatsworth Ca 91311 818 350 6222 From kaskas at cox.net Tue Jul 13 21:24:09 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:24:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. ---- Joe Boruch wrote: ============= I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ____________________________________________________________ $13/Month Car Insurance? Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Jul 13 21:46:17 2010 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: <8CCF0CB6514803F-1324-137D@webmail-m074.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <552262.49370.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Listers: Actually the first gasket I tried on the engine was a Payen. That is the only thing I buy. The engine has been bored .060" over, and the Payen blew between the adjoining cylinders. We are just looking for some way to get through the season until we can pull the engine and have the block cut for rings. Bill Collins was told that the Yamabond won't work with copper gaskets. On the first try with the copper gasket I glued rings to it and sprayed it with copper and left it until tacky. I know Kawasaki has a similar product to Yamabond that I use to use on the FV engines to seal the crankcase halves. Not sure it will work in this application. We may just go back to the Payen and keep our fingers crossed. -Ed- --- On Tue, 7/13/10, fubog1 at aol.com wrote: From: fubog1 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. To: tedtsimx at bright.net, fasttrs at yahoo.com Cc: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net, fot at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 12:53 PM OK yeah another vote for Payen. The only way I have ever been able to get a reliable seal on the 1300 with copper gasket is with o-rings. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Ted Schumacher To: Mike Munson Cc: William Collins ; 'Friends of Triumph'Triumph Sent: Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:43 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. That's why we use Payen on all our engine builds. Ted Mike Munson wrote: > Been there done that on my tr6. > All my head gasket issues went away when I started using Payen gaskets. > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 13, 2010, at 9:35 AM, "William Collins" wrote: > > >> I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went with >> > a > >> solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to lower >> compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and I'm >> looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest of >> > the > >> year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends >> > Hylomar. > >> Suggestions? >> Bill Collins >> Euless, TX >> '72 spit /1296 sj >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tedtsimx at bright.net > > > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Jul 13 21:56:46 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:56:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com> Joe, I probably don't get a vote since I have not made a cup event yet and I have only been racing since Feb '09. If I did have a vote, it would be for Texas World Speedway. I know of at least 7 other FOT racers that will cast the same vote... Greg in Ausitn -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From billb at bnj.com Tue Jul 13 22:04:43 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:04:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness In-Reply-To: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Try starting with a customer that doesn't have his head up his butt. Really though, there was an exhaustive thread on setting up rear ends in the dim past. I'd search the digest. On Jul 13, 2010, at 8:22 PM, Joseph Siam wrote: > I have a customers rear end at a rear end shop and they are having a tough time setting up the pinion bearing depth. The owner took it all apart and had it powder coated and tossed out the shims so no starting point for the rear end shop. Any one have any good starting point. Thanks Joe > > Chequered Flag Racing .net > Joseph P. Siam > 9833 Deering Ave unit I > Chatsworth Ca 91311 > 818 350 6222 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jul 13 22:26:01 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:26:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> Message-ID: <6FBE567C022D4848BEC8585F32FCDF1D@joepentiumnew> In that Vein, I'll vote for Phoenix. That way I can come and see people I haven't seen in years and meet some I have never seen. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:24 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The cup event It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. ---- Joe Boruch wrote: ============= I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ____________________________________________________________ $13/Month Car Insurance? Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From mdporter at dfn.com Tue Jul 13 22:36:40 2010 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:36:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: <552262.49370.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <552262.49370.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C3D3ED8.1070406@dfn.com> EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Listers: Actually the first gasket I tried on the engine was a Payen. That is > the only thing I buy. The engine has been bored .060" over, and the Payen blew > between the adjoining cylinders. We are just looking for some way to get > through the season until we can pull the engine and have the block cut for > rings. Bill Collins was told that the Yamabond won't work with copper gaskets. > On the first try with the copper gasket I glued rings to it and sprayed it > with copper and left it until tacky. I know Kawasaki has a similar product to > Yamabond that I use to use on the FV engines to seal the crankcase halves. Not > sure it will work in this application. > We may just go back to the Payen and keep our fingers crossed. > Ed, if you're really out of possibilities, one of the things that seemed to work on stock engines with chronic head gasket problems was a silicate-based sealer (I can't remember a trade name, but, the stuff is probably identical, except for concentration, to the liquid head sealants on the market today). It was a clear, thick liquid which tended to develop silica crystals in the bottom of the bottle, and as I recall, came in a small (3-4 oz.) bottle with an off-white label. The only time I ended up using the stuff was at a shop I worked at in the `70s. They demanded it be used on all water-cooled engine rebuilds--claimed it reduced the comeback rate. Some of the old-timers in your area may remember the stuff and might still have some around. Tried sending this directly, but, AT&T routing is still blocking some addresses. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jul 13 23:22:49 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:22:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: <552262.49370.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8CCF0CB6514803F-1324-137D@webmail-m074.sysops.aol.com> <552262.49370.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <99C4F0D4549F4334B87BE32323142FE1@joepentiumnew> (I am resending this message after trimming it since I was notified by the server that it was too long) One thing I learned a lot of years ago with Spitfire engines was that when installing any composite head gasket, I should get everything torqued and adjusted cold then run the engine up to operating temperature, and quickly retorque the head while it is still hot. I found that following that technique, I have never had a blown head gasket and I find that it requires more than a little extra turning to bring the torque back to the correct setting. Just my observation, Joe C, From dave at microworks.net Tue Jul 13 23:39:11 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:39:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> Message-ID: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223AC@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local> Or Joe how about the new track right in your own backward at Inde? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:20 PM To: 'Kas Kastner'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The cup event In that Vein, I'll vote for Phoenix. That way I can come and see people I haven't seen in years and meet some I have never seen. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:24 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The cup event It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. ---- Joe Boruch wrote: ============= I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ____________________________________________________________ $13/Month Car Insurance? Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dave at microworks.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 14 00:04:23 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:04:23 +0200 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000101cb231a$69358c70$3ba0a550$@com> What about Spa 6h race? ;-) Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von n197tr4 at cs.com Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Juli 2010 22:27 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 14 00:23:03 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:23:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223AC@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223AC@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local> Message-ID: <82F701985680401C9DD6D2DC4001DC2E@joepentiumnew> I guess I have been out of the loop too long. Where is that? Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Riddle Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:39 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The cup event Or Joe how about the new track right in your own backward at Inde? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:20 PM To: 'Kas Kastner'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The cup event In that Vein, I'll vote for Phoenix. That way I can come and see people I haven't seen in years and meet some I have never seen. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:24 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The cup event It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. ---- Joe Boruch wrote: ============= I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ____________________________________________________________ $13/Month Car Insurance? Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dave at microworks.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Jul 14 04:11:24 2010 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 06:11:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness In-Reply-To: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4C3D8D4C.9060908@cfl.rr.com> I think it may be stamped on the pinion gear. Bob On 7/13/2010 11:22 PM, Joseph Siam wrote: > I have a customers rear end at a rear end shop and they are having a tough time setting up the pinion bearing depth. The owner took it all apart and had it powder coated and tossed out the shims so no starting point for the rear end shop. Any one have any good starting point. Thanks Joe > > Chequered Flag Racing .net > Joseph P. Siam > 9833 Deering Ave unit I > Chatsworth Ca 91311 > 818 350 6222 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 07:31:40 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:31:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1E23AE71-06C6-4D1D-8132-C856B9D765E4@yahoo.com> Barber Motorsport Park in Birmingham,Alabama. A world class facility. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2010, at 3:26 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT > > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > CUP. > > Register your preference immediately. > > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 07:36:50 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:36:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <590600008.40697.1279068323065.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <590600008.40697.1279068323065.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Same here!, not all Triumph racers are vintage!! Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2010, at 7:45 PM, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote: > I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) > > > > aaron > > #87 HP Spitfire 1500 > > Southern Illinois Region SCCA > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 4:26:39 PM > Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > > FOT > > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > CUP. > > Register your preference immediately. > > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 07:40:58 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:40:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223AC@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223AC@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local> Message-ID: <330FFC6A-F132-4BA7-9162-83AF45BBE865@yahoo.com> What track is that? Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jul 14, 2010, at 12:39 AM, "Dave Riddle" wrote: > Or Joe how about the new track right in your own backward at Inde? > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Joe Curry > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:20 PM > To: 'Kas Kastner'; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] The cup event > > In that Vein, I'll vote for Phoenix. That way I can come and see people > I > haven't seen in years and meet some I have never seen. > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Kas Kastner > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:24 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] The cup event > > It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and > Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next > year > should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. > then > in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or > track > take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time > and > is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on > this. > > As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an > average of > about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see > something a little closer again. > > ---- Joe Boruch wrote: > > ============= > I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: fpspitfire at comcast.net > To: n197tr4 at cs.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR > DECISION > MAKING > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) > > I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the > weekend :) > > > > aaron > > #87 HP Spitfire 1500 > > Southern Illinois Region SCCA > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > $13/Month Car Insurance? > Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > > > > -- > Never be beaten by equipment > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dave at microworks.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Jul 14 07:43:31 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:43:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness References: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4C3D8D4C.9060908@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: Len Renkenberger from the 6-Pack wrote an article many years ago about building TR6 diffs without special tools. He uses ground rod stock and washers to build a measurement tool and came up with the number .730 to .731 pionion depth from the bottom of the bearing saddles. He opines that the machining for the bearing saddles is inconsistent, even a little side to side variation. I've used his method a few times and it works. The pinion hears do have a +number etched on them but the used ones I've seen are sometime illegible. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:11 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness >I think it may be stamped on the pinion gear. > > Bob > > On 7/13/2010 11:22 PM, Joseph Siam wrote: >> I have a customers rear end at a rear end shop and they are having a >> tough time setting up the pinion bearing depth. The owner took it all >> apart and had it powder coated and tossed out the shims so no starting >> point for the rear end shop. Any one have any good starting point. >> Thanks Joe >> >> Chequered Flag Racing .net >> Joseph P. Siam >> 9833 Deering Ave unit I >> Chatsworth Ca 91311 >> 818 350 6222 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 07:55:58 2010 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:55:58 +0000 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> Message-ID: I am new to the group, and to Triumph racing. I want to thank you all for your advice and insight. In terms of venue, and looking out West, if I had a chance to race at Sears Point, it would be a dream come true. Ty Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:24:09 To: Subject: [Fot] The cup event It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. ---- Joe Boruch wrote: ============= I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ____________________________________________________________ $13/Month Car Insurance? Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 07:58:04 2010 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:58:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <601787337-1279115756-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-2008132747-@bda2106.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41><601787337-1279115756-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-2008132747-@bda2106.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: BTW, I meant to say Laguna or Infineon! Ty Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:55:58 To: Kas Kastner; ; Reply-To: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Fot] The cup event I am new to the group, and to Triumph racing. I want to thank you all for your advice and insight. In terms of venue, and looking out West, if I had a chance to race at Sears Point, it would be a dream come true. Ty Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:24:09 To: Subject: [Fot] The cup event It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. ---- Joe Boruch wrote: ============= I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ____________________________________________________________ $13/Month Car Insurance? Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Jul 14 07:58:34 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:58:34 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Message-ID: <530b0.606cca22.396f1c8a@cs.com> FOT list Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in this madness. Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. Infineon & Mosport But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning body have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are other obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted area for the next Kastner Cup. Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the 2012 Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in Competition. As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be addressed because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that one off. You dont think so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an answer. They want to make it a big and memorable event. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE Joe A From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Jul 14 08:40:50 2010 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 07:40:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SPAM-LOW: VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <910FA35028174C2F8561474B270E4B33@Charly> I vote for West Coast. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:26 PM Subject: SPAM-LOW: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > FOT > > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > CUP. > > Register your preference immediately. > > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From billb at bnj.com Wed Jul 14 09:30:10 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:30:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <20100714144131.584C1187656@autox.team.net> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41><601787337-1279115756-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-2008132747-@bda2106.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <20100714144131.584C1187656@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <2BD003B5-FDF5-4C50-BC83-5DAB5E896B27@bnj.com> I almost always call it Sears Point, and Laguna is really Mazda raceway, but who wants to say that. I enjoy Laguna Seca but Sears is a more interesting track. On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote: > BTW, I meant to say Laguna or Infineon! > > Ty > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:55:58 > To: Kas Kastner; ; > Reply-To: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] The cup event > > I am new to the group, and to Triumph racing. I want to thank you all for your advice and insight. > > In terms of venue, and looking out West, if I had a chance to race at Sears Point, it would be a dream come true. > > Ty > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kas Kastner > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:24:09 > To: > Subject: [Fot] The cup event > > It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. > > As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. > > ---- Joe Boruch wrote: > > ============= > I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: fpspitfire at comcast.net > To: n197tr4 at cs.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION > MAKING > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) > > I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the > weekend :) > > > > aaron > > #87 HP Spitfire 1500 > > Southern Illinois Region SCCA > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > $13/Month Car Insurance? > Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > > > > -- > Never be beaten by equipment > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From billb at bnj.com Wed Jul 14 09:33:56 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:33:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 In-Reply-To: <530b0.606cca22.396f1c8a@cs.com> References: <530b0.606cca22.396f1c8a@cs.com> Message-ID: <59627548-5197-4829-A942-4A2CC203D0BF@bnj.com> There are several events at Sears Point--the CSRG charity Challenge would be the most likely one. Another great choice in the Southwest is Thunderhill. Great track, though the location sucks. It's not the middle of nowhere but you can see it from there. Still, the track is marvelous and there's plenty of room to spread out. On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT list > > Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in this > madness. > > Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. > > Infineon & Mosport > > But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning body > have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. > > Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are other > obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. > > Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted area > for the next Kastner Cup. > > Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the 2012 > Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in Competition. > > As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be addressed > because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that one off. You dont think > so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an answer. > They want to make it a big and memorable event. > > THANK YOU VERY MUCH. > > Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on > this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE > > Joe A > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From dave at microworks.net Wed Jul 14 09:41:44 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:41:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <965ECE38E4C5431A9D5EB7042EAB7DCA@EnigmaGroup.local> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41> <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223AC@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local> <965ECE38E4C5431A9D5EB7042EAB7DCA@EnigmaGroup.local> Message-ID: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223B0@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local> It's located in Wilcox and is a 2.75 mile track with 21 turns with 85 feet of elevation change http://www.indemotorsports.com/site/ Here is an onboard video from a practice session from on of our club's 250cc shifter karts down at our event over Memorial Day http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNPO44zyyEc This might interest you Joe. "Join us July 21 through July 25th for the second Vintage Racing Week at Inde. Vintage Racing Week is an open track week for vintage racers and enthusiasts of all track experience levels. During this week, you have the opportunity to dial in and test and tune your vintage car on our new and challenging road course that rivals any in the country at an exceptional value. This event will have limited availability to ensure ample track time for each driver so please RSVP soon! Inde Motorsports Ranch will provide lunch every day, corner workers, and emergency medical personnel. Private Instruction can be arranged as well- please inquire for further details" From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 14 10:00:24 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:00:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> Everyone's offering in the FOT is important...not just the hardcore racer's. Thanks! Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Greg & Alison Blake To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:56 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Joe, I probably don't get a vote since I have not made a cup event yet and I have nly been racing since Feb '09. If I did have a vote, it would be for Texas orld Speedway. I know of at least 7 other FOT racers that will cast the same vote... Greg in Ausitn -----Original Message----- rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On ehalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com ent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:27 PM o: fot at autox.team.net ubject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION AKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER UP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 10:15:50 2010 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 16:15:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <2BD003B5-FDF5-4C50-BC83-5DAB5E896B27@bnj.com> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41><601787337-1279115756-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-2008132747-@bda2106.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <20100714144131.584C1187656@autox.team.net><2BD003B5-FDF5-4C50-BC83-5DAB5E896B27@bnj.com> Message-ID: I hate the Sponsor names but they do help to keep the tracks open! Just not as nastalgic. Ty Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:30:10 To: Cc: Kas Kastner; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] The cup event I almost always call it Sears Point, and Laguna is really Mazda raceway, but who wants to say that. I enjoy Laguna Seca but Sears is a more interesting track. On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote: > BTW, I meant to say Laguna or Infineon! > > Ty > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:55:58 > To: Kas Kastner; ; > Reply-To: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] The cup event > > I am new to the group, and to Triumph racing. I want to thank you all for your advice and insight. > > In terms of venue, and looking out West, if I had a chance to race at Sears Point, it would be a dream come true. > > Ty > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kas Kastner > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:24:09 > To: > Subject: [Fot] The cup event > > It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. > > As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. > > ---- Joe Boruch wrote: > > ============= > I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: fpspitfire at comcast.net > To: n197tr4 at cs.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION > MAKING > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) > > I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the > weekend :) > > > > aaron > > #87 HP Spitfire 1500 > > Southern Illinois Region SCCA > > > >____________________________________________________________ > $13/Month Car Insurance? > Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc >_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > > > > -- > Never be beaten by equipment >_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Jul 14 10:41:54 2010 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness In-Reply-To: References: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4C3D8D4C.9060908@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: > Len Renkenberger from the 6-Pack wrote an article many years ago about > building TR6 diffs without special tools. He uses ground rod stock and > washers to build a measurement tool and came up with the number .730 to .731 > pionion depth from the bottom of the bearing saddles. He opines that the > machining for the bearing saddles is inconsistent, even a little side to side > variation. I've used his method a few times and it works. > > The pinion hears do have a +number etched on them but the used ones I've seen > are sometime illegible. > > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX > > Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch > excellence. > Vince Lombardi > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:11 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness > > >> I think it may be stamped on the pinion gear. >> >> Bob >> >> On 7/13/2010 11:22 PM, Joseph Siam wrote: >>> I have a customers rear end at a rear end shop and they are having a tough >>> time setting up the pinion bearing depth. The owner took it all apart and >>> had it powder coated and tossed out the shims so no starting point for the >>> rear end shop. Any one have any good starting point. Thanks Joe >>> >>> Chequered Flag Racing .net >>> Joseph P. Siam >>> 9833 Deering Ave unit I >>> Chatsworth Ca 91311 >>> 818 350 6222 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lang at isis.mit.edu From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Jul 14 10:45:05 2010 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness In-Reply-To: References: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4C3D8D4C.9060908@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Jul 2010, Bob Kramer wrote: > The pinion hears do have a +number etched on them but the used ones I've seen > are sometime illegible. I'm not 100% certain of this, but I'm fairly certain that the numbers on the ring and pinions are "arbitrary" numbers that are used to denote matched gear sets. Of course after 40 years and who knows how many times some of the parts have changed hands, there's a fairly good likelyhood that gear sets that are exchanged as "loose parts" are not matched sets any more. :-) > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dave at microworks.net Wed Jul 14 11:46:20 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:46:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The cup event In-Reply-To: <6EFE6714ABD94B948127D161A2AF7419@EnigmaGroup.local> References: <20100713.221348.26485.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><20100713232409.72AAR.14381.imail@fed1rmwml41><3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223AC@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local><965ECE38E4C5431A9D5EB7042EAB7DCA@EnigmaGroup.local> <6EFE6714ABD94B948127D161A2AF7419@EnigmaGroup.local> Message-ID: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF0223B4@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local> There is also the brand new and super smooth Chuckwalla track in southern California http://www.chuckwallavalleyraceway.com/ Here is a video clip of that track http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIMtiB- the very first lap on this track when asphalt was completed on 3-15-2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUB05F7-17o From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 14 12:33:22 2010 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:33:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Summit Point Jefferson 500, for selfish reasons. > Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > > FOT > > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > CUP. > > Register your preference immediately. > > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > > Joe A From igofaster at att.net Wed Jul 14 12:37:00 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:37:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. In-Reply-To: References: <5A8AE7BC57DD403993C2D72E6C7FD7BA@bkolnzPC> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FC6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <603588.70487.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> PEYEN were the original head gaskets... seem to be the best still.... I haven't heard much positive about the copper gaskets Bill.... are you bringing your Spitwad to the Heartland FOT in August? Bobby Whitehead trying to get my GT6 engine assembled by August..... ________________________________ From: Joe Curry To: "Barr, Scott" ; William Collins ; 'Friends of Triumph'Triumph Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 10:42:47 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. I echo what Scott says. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:08 AM To: William Collins; 'Friends of Triumph'Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. I've had trouble getting my copper head gaskets to seal on my Spitfire motors unless the head and block surfaces are very, very smooth (and clean). Once the surfaces were smooth, I had reasonable luck getting them to seal using spray-on Copper Coat, spraying it on both sides, hanging it to dry until it was tacky. Ultimately, I have gone back to the composite gaskets - the Payen gasket with the rubbery surfaces. They work every time. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Collins Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 9:35 AM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Spit 1300 racer head gasket issues. I have been having head gasket issues for awhile now and finally went with a solid copper gasket from Gasket works that actually was designed to lower compression a bit. It leaked oil at ECR, so the head is off again and I'm looking for a gasket dressing/seal that will get this done for the rest of the year. Can't get a response from Gasket works, and Moss recommends Hylomar. Suggestions? Bill Collins Euless, TX '72 spit /1296 sj _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From Group44TR7 at aol.com Wed Jul 14 12:54:23 2010 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:54:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] The cup event Message-ID: <695fd.48e08552.396f61df@aol.com> It would be nice to have an event in Southern California. In a message dated 07/13/2010 8:16:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: It was East coast for the run at Watkins Glen, then the Northwest and Portland for 2009, now the middle of the country with Topeka, and next year should be the West Coast in Southern California, Phoenix or Las Vegas. then in 2012 on the East Coast again. BUT, it is important that a club or track take the incentive to be part of this deal so everyone has a good time and is appreciated for their participation. Topeka is showing the way on this. As its stands the West Coast Southern California guys have had an average of about 1900 mile tow for the last three events so it is time they see something a little closer again. ---- Joe Boruch wrote: ============= I'll 2nd that. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:23 +0000 (UTC) I'd like a sanctioning body that will let current SCCA cars run for the weekend :) aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ____________________________________________________________ $13/Month Car Insurance? Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get $13/mo auto coverage. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c3d1d8392762b8e61st02duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/group44tr7 at aol.com From gaf3 at charter.net Wed Jul 14 17:25:51 2010 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:25:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness In-Reply-To: <4C3D8D4C.9060908@cfl.rr.com> References: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4C3D8D4C.9060908@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <4C3E477F.1030103@charter.net> The -1 or +3 engraved on the face of the pinion is used to reference the difference to the replacement gear. It really doesn't give you a starting point but more of a reference. Any good rear end shop will have developed slip fit bearings that they can use to get the proper pinion depth and ring and pinion tooth pattern as well as back lash. If they can't figure it out, you brought it to the wrong shop. It's not rocket science but the same procedures used for decades. My 2cents worth Glenn Franco Bob wrote: > I think it may be stamped on the pinion gear. > > Bob > > On 7/13/2010 11:22 PM, Joseph Siam wrote: >> I have a customers rear end at a rear end shop and they are having a >> tough time setting up the pinion bearing depth. The owner took it >> all apart and had it powder coated and tossed out the shims so no >> starting point for the rear end shop. Any one have any good starting >> point. Thanks Joe >> >> Chequered Flag Racing .net >> Joseph P. Siam >> 9833 Deering Ave unit I >> Chatsworth Ca 91311 >> 818 350 6222 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jul 14 20:31:29 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:31:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4C3E7301.1000400@bradakis.com> Some interesting ideas. I do like the idea of a VARA event in Vegas. Phoenix area depends on the time of year. Right now my main concern is making it to Topeka next month. I'll only be getting two paychecks between now and then, both of which are already used up. My current job sucks in several respects, but it is a job. So be warned, I may be trying to peddle a bunch of parts over the next couple of weeks to come up with gas money. EBay, this list, the TR list, the Team.Net forums, you never know where I might strike! Of course one possible advantage for prospective buyers is the free shipping if you can pick them up somewhere along my route there and back again. First I have to see what I have on the shelf that people might actually *want* !! I'd like to keep the ceramic coated Stahl Spit header for my personal use at a later date, but if I get desperate that alone could cover gas and food for the trip. mjb, shameless self promoter. From igofaster at att.net Wed Jul 14 21:25:42 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <432670.81521.qm@web180809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I'm going to be stingy and propose the Texas World Speedway where we race with CVAR. Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 3:26:39 PM Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING FOT We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER CUP. Register your preference immediately. No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jul 14 23:14:06 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:14:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Diff shim thickness In-Reply-To: <4C3E477F.1030103@charter.net> References: <28550908.1279077766053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net><4C3D8D4C.9060908@cfl.rr.com> <4C3E477F.1030103@charter.net> Message-ID: <32AE554C28FD4AB8820FE482EE868216@Meislaptop> > Any good rear end shop will have developed slip fit bearings that they > can use to get the proper pinion depth and ring and pinion tooth pattern > as well as back lash. Or they are easy enough to make yourself, from the old bearing. However, as I learned when doing my Stag diff a few years back, they may be useless! The old bearing, although still in good condition, was a good .030" thinner than the new replacement. Fortunately for me, it was the input bearing that was a different thickness, not quite as much trouble to keep swapping shims as the head bearing. I guess you could always buy two replacement bearings, and grind out the id of one of them to make a "setting" bearing; but I was too impatient for that. Randall From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jul 15 00:13:07 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 01:13:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20100715061223.AAB11187658@autox.team.net> I prefer historic tracks to new tracks. I prefer a location that isn't known for rain (like Portland is), and has a decent chance of not being blazingly hot (like Kansas is likely to be). The only west coast track I've driven was Portland. I have a personal goal of driving Laguna Seca at least once in my life, but Sears Point looks cool too. If I'm going to tow for 8 days for 3 days of racing, I want the track to be something special. In my half of the country my favorite tracks are Mosport VIR Road America Road Atlanta These are historic tracks with corners that make you say "hmm" (or Holy S*** Batman!) I've never driven Lime Rock but it would be an eastern candidate for 2012. Watkins Glen was cool but we've run there recently. 2nd tier tracks would be Hallett Grattan We did a TR / MG challenge during the SARS scare that kept folks away at Mosport, and we did a Morgan / TR challenge at Road America. We also have had an all Triumph group at Road Atlanta. The April VDCA race at VIR is becoming my favorite event of the year, but is pretty early for some. Low key, tons of track time, a great bunch of Triumph guys there already, awesome facilities... I'm not a big fan of the new country club tracks - they seem soulless and while they make for fun driving they generally don't seem to make for good racing - it's hard to pass when you have bunches of combination corners. Tony Drews From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Thu Jul 15 05:54:01 2010 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 21:54:01 +1000 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com><001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com> <8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> How about Eastern Creek Sydney Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:00 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > Everyone's offering in the FOT is important...not just the hardcore > racer's. > > Thanks! > > Joe A > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg & Alison Blake > To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:56 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR > DECISION > MAKING > > > Joe, > I probably don't get a vote since I have not made a cup event yet and I > have > nly been racing since Feb '09. If I did have a vote, it would be for > Texas > orld Speedway. > I know of at least 7 other FOT racers that will cast the same vote... > Greg in Ausitn > -----Original Message----- > rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > ehalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com > ent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:27 PM > o: fot at autox.team.net > ubject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION > AKING > FOT > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > UP. > Register your preference immediately. > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > Joe A > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jul 15 06:51:41 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:51:41 +0200 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com><001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com> <8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> <50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: <000001cb241c$7a09d4e0$6e1d7ea0$@com> I saw a video from Brathurst (Australia).....seems like fun there but not easy to stay on the track. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Geoff Byrne Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Juli 2010 13:54 An: ablake2 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net; n197tr4 at cs.com Betreff: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING How about Eastern Creek Sydney Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:00 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > Everyone's offering in the FOT is important...not just the hardcore > racer's. > > Thanks! > > Joe A > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg & Alison Blake > To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:56 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR > DECISION > MAKING > > > Joe, > I probably don't get a vote since I have not made a cup event yet and I > have > nly been racing since Feb '09. If I did have a vote, it would be for > Texas > orld Speedway. > I know of at least 7 other FOT racers that will cast the same vote... > Greg in Ausitn > -----Original Message----- > rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > ehalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com > ent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:27 PM > o: fot at autox.team.net > ubject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION > AKING > FOT > We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER > UP. > Register your preference immediately. > No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. > Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. > Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. > We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? > Joe A > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Thu Jul 15 07:31:14 2010 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 09:31:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Beaverun - Pittsburgh this weekend References: <05AAD258-4958-43A8-9EAF-55B8C3054172@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001801cb2422$00332170$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi gang, I'm headed down with my TR6; leaving soon. See you there. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:01 PM Subject: [Fot] Beaverun - Pittsburgh this weekend > I'll be there with the GT6. Will there be any other Triumphs racing? > > Scott Janzen > 1968 GT6 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin3 at verizon.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jul 15 07:36:12 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:36:12 -0000 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <20100715061223.AAB11187658@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <971D006BDF634F12B73B2B2A09AE7C1C@latitudefb1e41> Tony, I haven't been to a lot of country club tracks, just 2 in Texas and they are not legendary. The almost new Eagles Canyon track in far north Texas has those "combination corners" and a lot of off camber stuff. It's challenging to say the least and it is up to FIA specs according to their promo stuff. We should through it out there as a future option based on its location, an hour and a half north of Dallas/Fort Worth which makes it a two day haul for most people coming from Socal, and adds about 4 hours to the tow from the midwest compared to Hallett. CVAR has been willing/wanting to do another Triumph event so we could make that happen. It is way too close to the middle of the country after Topeka for this to be a good choice now but for varieties sake I'd prefer ECR rather than Hallett next time. The 2.5 mile layout may give you more opportunity to pass, but only if you have the brakes dialed in. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:13 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING >I prefer historic tracks to new tracks. > > I prefer a location that isn't known for rain (like Portland is), and has > a decent chance of not being blazingly hot (like Kansas is likely to be). > > The only west coast track I've driven was Portland. I have a personal > goal of driving Laguna Seca at least once in my life, but Sears Point > looks cool too. > > If I'm going to tow for 8 days for 3 days of racing, I want the track to > be something special. > > In my half of the country my favorite tracks are > Mosport > VIR > Road America > Road Atlanta > > These are historic tracks with corners that make you say "hmm" (or Holy > S*** Batman!) > > I've never driven Lime Rock but it would be an eastern candidate for 2012. > Watkins Glen was cool but we've run there recently. > > 2nd tier tracks would be > Hallett > Grattan > > We did a TR / MG challenge during the SARS scare that kept folks away at > Mosport, and we did a Morgan / TR challenge at Road America. We also have > had an all Triumph group at Road Atlanta. The April VDCA race at VIR is > becoming my favorite event of the year, but is pretty early for some. Low > key, tons of track time, a great bunch of Triumph guys there already, > awesome facilities... > > I'm not a big fan of the new country club tracks - they seem soulless and > while they make for fun driving they generally don't seem to make for good > racing - it's hard to pass when you have bunches of combination corners. > > Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jul 15 07:45:41 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:45:41 -0000 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com><001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com><8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> <50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: <5BA8352A3ADA48F89A5903CAE06C3421@latitudefb1e41> Greg Blake and Bobby Whitehead both suggested Texas World Speedway and it is a good facility for a venue like ours,. Like Portland it is so far away the tow would scare off a lot of people. Joe and Jack came down once so Joe is a good reference for the tow. The 2.9 mile layout even has some elevation change. Since it uses the NASCAR front straight you'll need overdrive or 3.7 gears or you will run out of rev's. With the economy the way it is sending my car overseas for a Triumph event is highly unlikely, but if it were I'd want to try and keep up with the mad man at the Ring. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Byrne" To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > How about Eastern Creek Sydney Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR > DECISION MAKING > > >> Everyone's offering in the FOT is important...not just the hardcore >> racer's. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Joe A >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Greg & Alison Blake >> To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:56 pm >> Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR >> DECISION >> MAKING >> >> >> Joe, >> I probably don't get a vote since I have not made a cup event yet and I >> have >> nly been racing since Feb '09. If I did have a vote, it would be for >> Texas >> orld Speedway. >> I know of at least 7 other FOT racers that will cast the same vote... >> Greg in Ausitn >> -----Original Message----- >> rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> ehalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com >> ent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:27 PM >> o: fot at autox.team.net >> ubject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION >> AKING >> FOT >> We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER >> UP. >> Register your preference immediately. >> No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. >> Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. >> Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. >> We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? >> Joe A >> ______________________________________________ >> ot at autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >> orums: http://www.team.net/forums >> nsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com >> ______________________________________________ >> ot at autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >> orums: http://www.team.net/forums >> nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From mpendy at dishmail.net Thu Jul 15 07:52:57 2010 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 06:52:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] chevy con-rods Message-ID: <0BF70B40A00049DB9F38A7440B2CB705@Pendys> Good Morning list, lots of feed back on the con rods and lots of ideas to ponder, will weigh the pros and cons, thanks for the input........Mark Pendy From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jul 15 08:36:19 2010 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 10:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <000001cb241c$7a09d4e0$6e1d7ea0$@com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com><001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com> <8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> <50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> <000001cb241c$7a09d4e0$6e1d7ea0$@com> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jul 2010, MadMarx wrote: > I saw a video from Brathurst (Australia).....seems like fun there but not > easy to stay on the track. Bathurst - Mount Panorama. Ooooooohhh. Bit of a tow, though. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jul 15 08:39:40 2010 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 10:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <5BA8352A3ADA48F89A5903CAE06C3421@latitudefb1e41> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com><001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com><8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> <50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> <5BA8352A3ADA48F89A5903CAE06C3421@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Sep 2010, Bob Kramer wrote: [stuff deleted] > With the economy the way it is sending my car overseas for a Triumph event is > highly unlikely, but if it were I'd want to try and keep up with > the mad man at the Ring. I'd be all over this - driving the 'Ring would be so awesome!. Back to my previous message - but it's a bit of a tow. :-) > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From adams910 at gmail.com Thu Jul 15 09:00:05 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:00:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <971D006BDF634F12B73B2B2A09AE7C1C@latitudefb1e41> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <20100715061223.AAB11187658@autox.team.net> <971D006BDF634F12B73B2B2A09AE7C1C@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: I think you're going to have trouble getting people to justify a long tow to a non historical track, especially for the racers back east who have tracks like Road Atlanta, VIR, Lime Rock,and Watkins Glen, and a lot of really good "B" tracks like NJMP, Mid Ohio, Summit Point, Beaverun, and Roebling Road at their disposal. No offense to anyone, but I don't think people are super excited at the idea of towing two days to tracks like Topeka and TWS. Just look at the turnout at Watkins Glen in 2008 and the caliber of cars that showed up vs some of the other Triumph gatherings. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Jul 15 09:51:10 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 08:51:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <432670.81521.qm@web180809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <123D624DF14F4FB59A612449AC7F0672@TOSHIBALAPTOP> West Coast - Laguna Seca or Sears Point or Thunderhill in that order Phoenix would be fine if we did it in late winter or fall Barber would let me see my distant daughter and would be my preference for an eastern venue. Also concur on the current car issue. Jim Norlin From spitfiresuz at 141.com Thu Jul 15 10:20:02 2010 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:20:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FORDECISION MAKING Message-ID: <380-22010741516202941@M2W003.mail2web.com> Hi all, I would be happy with Mid-Ohio, Mosport, Road Atlanta, Summit Point or VIR. The spring VIR event is pretty special, as Tony says, and the track works for all types of cars. I love Mosport--the track was great and the hospitality was good (although now we Americans will need valid passports to go there and back). The Mid-Ohio track is a blast, although I do understand the issues some folks might have with going there. I have not been to Summit Point yet, so can not speak to their setup, but the others I have named all have reasonable facilities for large groups of people, both racers/support staff and spectators. It would just depend on how the sponsoring organization works with us. I know VDCA and VARAC would do it up right. Thanks for throwing this out there, Joe (A)! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft. Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Thu Jul 15 11:07:46 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 10:07:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 In-Reply-To: <59627548-5197-4829-A942-4A2CC203D0BF@bnj.com> References: <530b0.606cca22.396f1c8a@cs.com> <59627548-5197-4829-A942-4A2CC203D0BF@bnj.com> Message-ID: Gentlemen: I just got off the phone with Joe Alexander to discuss possible locations for the 2011 Kastner Cup. Would it be possible for you all to weigh in on the following three options before we proceed further. Option One: Laguna Seca (Mazda Raceway) in June. Option Two: Las Vegas Motor Speedway in October Option Three: Willow Springs International Raceway in March or November Please reply with your preference(s) and Joe will start a tally. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > There are several events at Sears Point--the CSRG charity Challenge would > be > the most likely one. Another great choice in the Southwest is Thunderhill. > Great track, though the location sucks. It's not the middle of nowhere but > you > can see it from there. Still, the track is marvelous and there's plenty of > room to spread out. > > On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > FOT list > > > > Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in this > > madness. > > > > Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. > > > > Infineon & Mosport > > > > But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning body > > have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. > > > > Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are other > > obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. > > > > Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted area > > for the next Kastner Cup. > > > > Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the 2012 > > Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in > Competition. > > > > As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be addressed > > because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that one off. You dont > think > > so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an > answer. > > They want to make it a big and memorable event. > > > > THANK YOU VERY MUCH. > > > > Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on > > this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE > > > > Joe A > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jul 15 11:16:17 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:16:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 Message-ID: <8CCF25891ED7DCC-1888-1713@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com> My Choices: Leguna Seca June Las Vegas October Willow Springs Joe Alexander thataway to go John.......! From fasttrs at yahoo.com Thu Jul 15 11:32:03 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:32:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com> <8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> <50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: <7059A721-F108-40A2-AE43-277795793E5B@yahoo.com> Sure Geoff, send us a boat and we'll be there :-)! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2010, at 6:54 AM, "Geoff Byrne" wrote: > How about Eastern Creek Sydney Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING > > >> Everyone's offering in the FOT is important...not just the hardcore racer's. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Joe A >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Greg & Alison Blake >> To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:56 pm >> Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION >> MAKING >> >> >> Joe, >> I probably don't get a vote since I have not made a cup event yet and I have >> nly been racing since Feb '09. If I did have a vote, it would be for Texas >> orld Speedway. >> I know of at least 7 other FOT racers that will cast the same vote... >> Greg in Ausitn >> -----Original Message----- >> rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> ehalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com >> ent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:27 PM >> o: fot at autox.team.net >> ubject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION >> AKING >> FOT >> We are looking for VENUE proposals for consideration for the 2011 KASTNER >> UP. >> Register your preference immediately. >> No constraints on venues or sanctioning bodies. >> Look at this as a vote for Excellence in Triumph Racing. >> Respond to the entire list and some one will tabulate the results. >> We have 297 people on the FOT....how many are paying attention? >> Joe A >> ______________________________________________ >> ot at autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >> orums: http://www.team.net/forums >> nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com >> ______________________________________________ >> ot at autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >> orums: http://www.team.net/forums >> nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu Jul 15 11:35:04 2010 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:35:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HPR in 2011 Message-ID: I'll submit High Plains Raceway as nobody else has. Got to be true to your school... K Lynch RMVR From bownes at seiri.com Thu Jul 15 11:48:08 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:48:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FORDECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <380-22010741516202941@M2W003.mail2web.com> References: <380-22010741516202941@M2W003.mail2web.com> Message-ID: I'm happy as long as the event happens, but having it at Lime Rock would assure my attendance! I'd probably even finish up a project to bring! iii On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 12:20 PM, spitfiresuz at 141.com wrote: > Hi all, > > I would be happy with Mid-Ohio, Mosport, Road Atlanta, Summit Point or VIR. > > The spring VIR event is pretty special, as Tony says, and the track works > for all types of cars. I love Mosport--the track was great and the > hospitality was good (although now we Americans will need valid passports > to go there and back). The Mid-Ohio track is a blast, although I do > understand the issues some folks might have with going there. I have not > been to Summit Point yet, so can not speak to their setup, but the others I > have named all have reasonable facilities for large groups of people, both > racers/support staff and spectators. > > It would just depend on how the sponsoring organization works with us. I > know VDCA and VARAC would do it up right. > > Thanks for throwing this out there, Joe (A)! > > Keep Triumphing, > Susan :) > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com - Microsoft. Exchange solutions from a leading provider - > http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From billb at bnj.com Thu Jul 15 12:00:31 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:00:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <20100715061223.AAB11187658@autox.team.net> <971D006BDF634F12B73B2B2A09AE7C1C@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: Amen, brother. I discovered on my long tour (www.allaluminumtour.com) that most historic tracks are also great tracks. And most of the ones you never heard of are not. The best you can say about the modern tracks is that they are "interesting". Would I rather go to Sears or Thunderhill. No contest. A great track has places to pass, challenging corners, places to go fast, and requires technique, tactics and strategy. I spent some time thinking about this once and decided why I like Portland International Raceway even though there are no elevation changes (which I generally consider critical). It's because you need a strategy for each opponent based on the relative strengths and weaknesses of their car and yours. You can be a second slower at PIR and win with a superior strategy. Been there, done exactly that. Limerock--historically significant but kind of boring. Watkins Glen--separates the sheep from the goats (according to Tony Garmey). Road America--where am I? Fast and interesting. Road Atlanta--incredibly varied and some fine passing places. Sears--Awesome, great passing spots, fast and tricky. Laguna -- some nice corners, the corkscrew is fun and turn nine is a challenge, but not in the same league as Sears. VIR--fiddly, but fun. Mosport--oh my god. What were they thinking. On Jul 15, 2010, at 8:00 AM, Bob Adams wrote: > I think you're going to have trouble getting people to justify a long tow to > a non historical track, especially for the racers back east who have tracks > like Road Atlanta, VIR, Lime Rock,and Watkins Glen, and a lot of really good > "B" tracks like NJMP, Mid Ohio, Summit Point, Beaverun, and Roebling Road at > their disposal. > > No offense to anyone, but I don't think people are super excited at the idea > of towing two days to tracks like Topeka and TWS. > > Just look at the turnout at Watkins Glen in 2008 and the caliber of cars > that showed up vs some of the other Triumph gatherings. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Jul 15 14:09:28 2010 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:09:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My choice for the KASTNER CUP 2011 In-Reply-To: <8CCF25891ED7DCC-1888-1713@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF25891ED7DCC-1888-1713@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Laguna Seca in June: I will do everything possible to make it as it is on my bucket list. Las Vegas in October: 21 hour tow makes this a hard choice. I will try to make it, especially if we get some other takers from Texas. Willow Springs: see # 2 Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell We are as happy as we make up our minds to be. ~ Abraham Lincoln From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Thu Jul 15 17:14:06 2010 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:14:06 +1000 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <000001cb241c$7a09d4e0$6e1d7ea0$@com> References: <8CCF0E0D5681088-46E8-3001@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com><001701cb2308$97f8b300$c7ea1900$@rr.com><8CCF184CE1286BD-18DC-C85E@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com><50F95B8CADB64C1491DF3E6FF2F1CCC6@GEOFFPC> <000001cb241c$7a09d4e0$6e1d7ea0$@com> Message-ID: We race at Bathurst at Easter and its the most intimadating track in Australia requires real balls to drive it fast . The best track in Australia IMHO is Philip Island where we have a race each year befor the Aus GP a lot of US drivers bring cars over for the meeting and go on to race in support races at the GP. Driving Philip Island is like dancing it just flows Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING >I saw a video from Brathurst (Australia).....seems like fun there but not > easy to stay on the track. From susank at 141.com Thu Jul 15 17:15:59 2010 From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:15:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FORDECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <380-22010741516202941@M2W003.mail2web.com> References: <380-22010741516202941@M2W003.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <4C3F96AF.8010408@141.com> From jfrymark at aol.com Thu Jul 15 17:29:09 2010 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 16:29:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 2011 Kastner Cup Message-ID: <3D2F7EA9-FF6C-4470-9FCA-FB8DDF1B2D7F@aol.com> > On Jul 15, 2010, at 8:00 AM, Bob Adams wrote: > I think you're going to have trouble getting people to justify a > long tow to a non historical track, especially for the racers back east who have tracks like Road Atlanta, VIR, Lime Rock,and Watkins Glen,... I think along these lines, too. That's why I encourage you to think about coming to race at Willow Springs in SoCal. It is the oldest track in the West (continuously operated since 1950-something), it's long and it's fast. In November, when most racing is bench-style, VARA puts on the Big Bore Bash bringing interesting cars from all over. While you might want to only think about Triumphs, it's really cool to see a Lola T70 at full chat around WSIR. And this is the track where Kas tried out all his "new stuff", so it has special significance. John Frymark VARA DP #67 TR4A From susank at 141.com Thu Jul 15 18:03:09 2010 From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 20:03:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FORDECISION MAKING In-Reply-To: <4C3F96AF.8010408@141.com> References: <380-22010741516202941@M2W003.mail2web.com> <4C3F96AF.8010408@141.com> Message-ID: <4C3FA1BD.5010608@141.com> Whoops, meant to designate this for the 60th, not 2011. I have no opinion on west-coast raceways, since I have never raced at one, but fully agree the Kastner Cup needs to give both sides and the middle of the continent equal representation. Susan :) > > On 7/15/2010 12:20 PM, spitfiresuz at 141.com wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I would be happy with Mid-Ohio, Mosport, Road Atlanta, Summit Point or VIR. >> >> The spring VIR event is pretty special, as Tony says, and the track works >> for all types of cars. I love Mosport--the track was great and the >> hospitality was good (although now we Americans will need valid passports >> to go there and back). The Mid-Ohio track is a blast, although I do >> understand the issues some folks might have with going there. I have not >> been to Summit Point yet, so can not speak to their setup, but the others I >> have named all have reasonable facilities for large groups of people, both >> racers/support staff and spectators. >> >> It would just depend on how the sponsoring organization works with us. I >> know VDCA and VARAC would do it up right. >> >> Thanks for throwing this out there, Joe (A)! >> >> Keep Triumphing, >> Susan :) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive:http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums:http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> mail2web.com - Microsoft. Exchange solutions from a leading provider - >> http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive:http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums:http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG -www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3006 - Release Date: 07/14/10 22:26:00 >> >> > > -- > I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. > -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jul 15 18:32:54 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:32:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HPR in 2011 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C3FA8B6.5020809@bradakis.com> KEVIN LYNCH wrote: > I'll submit High Plains Raceway as nobody else has. > My first impression is that it is too close to Topeka. It might be a good choice after a west coast then east coast event, but two central events in a row would likely not go over that well. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jul 15 18:38:19 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:38:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 In-Reply-To: <8CCF25891ED7DCC-1888-1713@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF25891ED7DCC-1888-1713@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4C3FA9FB.2050905@bradakis.com> > Las Vegas October > > This is my personal preference. A day's drive away, a good time of year in terms of temperatures, and I'm not that tempted to throw away a lot of money at the casinos - I waste it all on Triumphs! By October of 2011 I could even have a Triumph that I could drive to Vegas. Having one I could *race* at Vegas is pretty unlikely. mjb. From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Jul 15 19:54:15 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 21:54:15 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Venue Message-ID: Regarding Vegas, It's a fantastic draw to tell the family that this race weekend will have something for them too for a change. That's a sell. Downside, it's not a track that you'll be talking about for years to come, Obviously I can support the notion of a Vegas event, I live twenty miles away. Beyond that I'd have to say no. Willow would be a much better racetrack but no amenities. Nonetheless, I'm glad to see the observations that the crowd is way overdue to come west. We've driven East much too often and for a while there I expected the next event to be two hundred miles out in the Atlantic ocean, such was the eastern migration. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Jul 15 19:56:26 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:56:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Laguna Seca is my first choice. I haven't been there since the 1970 Can Am race. I'd have to list Willow Springs as a second choice. It's definitely a historic track and one I want to race at. I would like to ask the SoCal folks about the conditions there. I've heard that there's significant wind blown sand at some of the tracks in the area, but I don't remember which tracks were affected, Willow Springs or Buttonwillow or even Vegas. Any comments and does the time of year make a difference? Not a big deal for my paint job, but it may be for some. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Nikas Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:08 AM To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Gentlemen: I just got off the phone with Joe Alexander to discuss possible locations for the 2011 Kastner Cup. Would it be possible for you all to weigh in on the following three options before we proceed further. Option One: Laguna Seca (Mazda Raceway) in June. Option Two: Las Vegas Motor Speedway in October Option Three: Willow Springs International Raceway in March or November Please reply with your preference(s) and Joe will start a tally. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > There are several events at Sears Point--the CSRG charity Challenge > would be the most likely one. Another great choice in the Southwest is > Thunderhill. Great track, though the location sucks. It's not the > middle of nowhere but you > can see it from there. Still, the track is marvelous and there's plenty of > room to spread out. > > On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > FOT list > > > > Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in > > this madness. > > > > Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. > > > > Infineon & Mosport > > > > But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning > > body have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. > > > > Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are > > other obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. > > > > Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted > > area for the next Kastner Cup. > > > > Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the > > 2012 Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in > Competition. > > > > As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be > > addressed because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that > > one off. You dont > think > > so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an > answer. > > They want to make it a big and memorable event. > > > > THANK YOU VERY MUCH. > > > > Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on > > this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE > > > > Joe A > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From jgambony at gcecisp.com Thu Jul 15 20:03:12 2010 From: jgambony at gcecisp.com (jgambony at gcecisp.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 21:03:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2012 Message-ID: <1216.189.154.17.161.1279245792.squirrel@189.154.17.161> For 2012 I'll pose the question to the historians on the list (I'm away from my reference library for the week)... Where was the first race for a Standard-Triumph in the US? Just a thought. Cheers, Jim Dallas FOT list Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in this madness. Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. Infineon & Mosport But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning body have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are other obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted area for the next Kastner Cup. Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the 2012 Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in Competition. As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be addressed because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that one off. You dont think so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an answer. They want to make it a big and memorable event. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Jul 15 21:24:22 2010 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 03:24:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 In-Reply-To: <1718964034.101891.1279250609087.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1565926704.101946.1279250662542.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> If we can't have Sears Point (Infineon), Laguna would be the next best choice. With the close proximity of the Monterey Bay and all it has to offer, your families and sweethearts will want to make the trip too. The June event is low key and the chance to experience the Corking device will delight all who go there. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:16:17 AM Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 My Choices: Leguna Seca June Las Vegas October Willow Springs Joe Alexander thataway to go John.......! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jul 15 23:37:20 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 00:37:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <530b0.606cca22.396f1c8a@cs.com> <59627548-5197-4829-A942-4A2CC203D0BF@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20100716053641.110C218765E@autox.team.net> My order of preference is that same as what is listed: 1. Laguna Seca / June 2. Vegas October 3. Willow Springs with a slight preference of November over March - Tony Drews At 12:07 PM 7/15/2010, John Nikas wrote: >Gentlemen: > >I just got off the phone with Joe Alexander to discuss possible locations >for the 2011 Kastner Cup. > >Would it be possible for you all to weigh in on the following three options >before we proceed further. > >Option One: Laguna Seca (Mazda Raceway) in June. > >Option Two: Las Vegas Motor Speedway in October > >Option Three: Willow Springs International Raceway in March or November > >Please reply with your preference(s) and Joe will start a tally. > >On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > > > There are several events at Sears Point--the CSRG charity Challenge would > > be > > the most likely one. Another great choice in the Southwest is Thunderhill. > > Great track, though the location sucks. It's not the middle of nowhere but > > you > > can see it from there. Still, the track is marvelous and there's plenty of > > room to spread out. > > > > On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > > > FOT list > > > > > > Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in this > > > madness. > > > > > > Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. > > > > > > Infineon & Mosport > > > > > > But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning body > > > have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. > > > > > > Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are other > > > obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. > > > > > > Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted area > > > for the next Kastner Cup. > > > > > > Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the 2012 > > > Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in > > Competition. > > > > > > As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be addressed > > > because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that one off. You dont > > think > > > so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an > > answer. > > > They want to make it a big and memorable event. > > > > > > THANK YOU VERY MUCH. > > > > > > Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on > > > this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE > > > > > > Joe A > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > > > > > > > > >-- >Very truly yours, > >John Nikas >Cape Coventry Racing >www.capecoventryracing.com >(949) 375-6306 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From GRMTim at aol.com Fri Jul 16 06:10:10 2010 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 08:10:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Message-ID: We will sponsor the event, the parties and we also have our small-bore series going if you make it part of the Classic Motorsports Mitty at Road Atlanta in early May. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 From GRMTim at aol.com Fri Jul 16 06:16:04 2010 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 08:16:04 EDT Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 Message-ID: I also suggest that you study timing and where our members are located. I am sick that I cannot make Topeka and actually am still looking at flights so I can just drop in for a day and say hi on my way back from Monterey. But between in being in Topeka and one week after Monterey, I just couldn't figure out how to do it. I like the idea of moving it around and it has gotten me to tracks that I wouldn't ordinarily go to, but we will get better representation if this event is either part of another major event that many of us are already planning on going to, or totally not near another major event (like Monterey) that many of us are planning on going to. It also will do better if it is nearer to more of our members. Ie., If 2/3rds of our members are in the east, than 2/3rds of these events should be in the east. Does Joe have these figures? Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 07:01:20 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 06:01:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Deal. You're committed now Tim. On Jul 16, 2010 5:50 AM, wrote: We will sponsor the event, the parties and we also have our small-bore series going if you make it part of the Classic Motorsports Mitty at Road Atlanta in early May. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donat... From triosan at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 07:13:23 2010 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:13:23 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would vote for that in 2012! Chuck On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:10 PM, wrote: > We will sponsor the event, the parties and we also have our small-bore > series going if you make it part of the Classic Motorsports Mitty at Road > Atlanta in early May. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From adams910 at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 07:24:11 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:24:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Message-ID: I'd also caution against using hard numbers from an unofficial FOT list poll, unless there is a silent majority who are just privately emailing. The midwest racers seem to be pretty active on the list, but I can think a lot of east coast racers who you never see post anymore. The so-cal and p-northwest guys seem to chime in once in a while, but I'm not sure how many of them there are. Sorry to steer this off topic, but what are the rules for what is eligible for the Kastner Cup? Most East Coast and Midwest racers have minimum weight rules and tire restrictions, where from taking a quick look at pictures and taking a quick gander at the rules, the west coast guys don't have them and most seem to be on 7" rims with Hoosier R6's. That makes for a BIG difference in performance, and I know there are some East Coast guys that would go REALLY FAST if they switched tires and pulled ballast. Bob From chasgee at aol.com Fri Jul 16 09:46:46 2010 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:46:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> I wish we could run 7 inch rims, but our rules (like most everyone elses) limit us to 6 inch. We can run any DOT tire though, including the R6. We have around 15-18 Triumph regulars in So Cal/Vegas that show up to most of the races. We probably average 10-12 Triumphs per local event. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Adams To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2010 6:24 am Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP I'd also caution against using hard numbers from an unofficial FOT list oll, unless there is a silent majority who are just privately emailing. The idwest racers seem to be pretty active on the list, but I can think a lot f east coast racers who you never see post anymore. The so-cal and -northwest guys seem to chime in once in a while, but I'm not sure how many f them there are. orry to steer this off topic, but what are the rules for what is eligible or the Kastner Cup? Most East Coast and Midwest racers have minimum weight ules and tire restrictions, where from taking a quick look at pictures and aking a quick gander at the rules, the west coast guys don't have them and ost seem to be on 7" rims with Hoosier R6's. That makes for a BIG ifference in performance, and I know there are some East Coast guys that ould go REALLY FAST if they switched tires and pulled ballast. Bob ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From adams910 at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 09:52:24 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:52:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Ok, before anyone accuses me of complaining, I'm not. I just want to know how far you can go and still be eligible for the Cup. This is racing, there is no sense in bringing a knife to a gun fight. 7" rims applies to some of the 4cyl TR's and I meant organizations in the Southwest. Bob From Group44TR7 at aol.com Fri Jul 16 09:59:54 2010 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:59:54 EDT Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 & beyond Message-ID: Tim I appreciate all that you have attempted to do for Triumph owners and in particular, the Triumph racing community. When it comes to the 60th reunion that FOT selection should take into account your past and current support. I felt particularly bad that I was unable to support your efforts to get the Group 44 cars together because of all that you have done. Unfortunately, the same considerations and constraints will probably keep me from particpating in the 60th reunion if it was held at Mitty. Fot Members Similarly, Moss has in past sponsored a spring event at Buttonwillow. I do not remember that event being an "official" annual FOT event, but it seems like we are not supporting a vendor who is supporting us. Maybe something can be worked out with Moss about an annual west coast event (although I really do not like Buttonwillow) In the end, if we do not support those who are supporting us, then we will lose their support. Thanks for listening - Cary From chasgee at aol.com Fri Jul 16 10:32:00 2010 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:32:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CCF31B8CEDA857-18B8-292DE@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> Bob, Go here: http://www.kaskastner.com/kastnercup.html Since this is Kas's invention, he creates the ruels. Chuck Gee -----Original Message----- From: Bob Adams To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2010 8:52 am Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Ok, before anyone accuses me of complaining, I'm not. I just want to know ow far you can go and still be eligible for the Cup. This is racing, there s no sense in bringing a knife to a gun fight. 7" rims applies to some of the 4cyl TR's and I meant organizations in the outhwest. Bob ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From billb at bnj.com Fri Jul 16 10:32:44 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:32:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: In my tour around the country the place I found the most modern triumph rubber in the southeast. Most of the folks in the NW run SOVERN vintage rules, which means 6" rims and treaded tires. For TR3 that means bias ply 70 series, so it's vintage TDs. I'm supposed to run those, but I generally run Hoosier Speedsters. If you run HMSA or General Racing it's Dunlop L series in 5.50 X 15. A far cry from the slicks everyone was on in the Southeast. On Jul 16, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Bob Adams wrote: > Ok, before anyone accuses me of complaining, I'm not. I just want to know > how far you can go and still be eligible for the Cup. This is racing, there > is no sense in bringing a knife to a gun fight. > > 7" rims applies to some of the 4cyl TR's and I meant organizations in the > Southwest. > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From gasket.works at gte.net Fri Jul 16 10:59:10 2010 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:59:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] rules; In-Reply-To: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1817612503-1279299548-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-312014846-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I like rules. They invigorate my curiosity for ways to confound them. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: chasgee at aol.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:46:46 To: ; Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP I wish we could run 7 inch rims, but our rules (like most everyone elses) limit us to 6 inch. We can run any DOT tire though, including the R6. We have around 15-18 Triumph regulars in So Cal/Vegas that show up to most of the races. We probably average 10-12 Triumphs per local event. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Adams To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2010 6:24 am Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP I'd also caution against using hard numbers from an unofficial FOT list oll, unless there is a silent majority who are just privately emailing. The idwest racers seem to be pretty active on the list, but I can think a lot f east coast racers who you never see post anymore. The so-cal and -northwest guys seem to chime in once in a while, but I'm not sure how many f them there are. orry to steer this off topic, but what are the rules for what is eligible or the Kastner Cup? Most East Coast and Midwest racers have minimum weight ules and tire restrictions, where from taking a quick look at pictures and aking a quick gander at the rules, the west coast guys don't have them and ost seem to be on 7" rims with Hoosier R6's. That makes for a BIG ifference in performance, and I know there are some East Coast guys that ould go REALLY FAST if they switched tires and pulled ballast. Bob ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net From kaskas at cox.net Fri Jul 16 13:23:58 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:23:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Another point Message-ID: <20100716152358.E0T1M.54411.imail@fed1rmwml46> In my long explanation of my rules, I left out an other thing, You cannot win the cup in consecutive years. -- Never be beaten by equipment From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Jul 16 14:30:42 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:30:42 -0000 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> What size tire are they running on 7" rims? Assuming we are talking treaded, vintage legal tires, I would think they would have to be some pretty sticky 225-50's to make a big enough difference over the 205-60's we run on 6" rims. I have 7" rims on my street TR6 and I could use them on the TR4's depending on the venue but I doubt it would be worth the effort unless I upgraded tires too. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Adams" To: Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP > Ok, before anyone accuses me of complaining, I'm not. I just want to know > how far you can go and still be eligible for the Cup. This is racing, > there > is no sense in bringing a knife to a gun fight. > > 7" rims applies to some of the 4cyl TR's and I meant organizations in the > Southwest. > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jul 16 14:46:38 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:46:38 +0200 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000101cb2527$fdb23ce0$f916b6a0$@com> We are allowed to run 7" rims but most of the people stay with 6". -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von chasgee at aol.com Gesendet: Freitag, 16. Juli 2010 17:47 An: adams910 at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP I wish we could run 7 inch rims, but our rules (like most everyone elses) limit us to 6 inch. We can run any DOT tire though, including the R6. We have around 15-18 Triumph regulars in So Cal/Vegas that show up to most of the races. We probably average 10-12 Triumphs per local event. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Adams To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2010 6:24 am Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP I'd also caution against using hard numbers from an unofficial FOT list oll, unless there is a silent majority who are just privately emailing. The idwest racers seem to be pretty active on the list, but I can think a lot f east coast racers who you never see post anymore. The so-cal and -northwest guys seem to chime in once in a while, but I'm not sure how many f them there are. orry to steer this off topic, but what are the rules for what is eligible or the Kastner Cup? Most East Coast and Midwest racers have minimum weight ules and tire restrictions, where from taking a quick look at pictures and aking a quick gander at the rules, the west coast guys don't have them and ost seem to be on 7" rims with Hoosier R6's. That makes for a BIG ifference in performance, and I know there are some East Coast guys that ould go REALLY FAST if they switched tires and pulled ballast. Bob ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From igofaster at att.net Fri Jul 16 15:03:17 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <530b0.606cca22.396f1c8a@cs.com> <59627548-5197-4829-A942-4A2CC203D0BF@bnj.com> Message-ID: <478891.81425.qm@web180803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Willow Springs in November.. Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: John Nikas To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 12:07:46 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Gentlemen: I just got off the phone with Joe Alexander to discuss possible locations for the 2011 Kastner Cup. Would it be possible for you all to weigh in on the following three options before we proceed further. Option One: Laguna Seca (Mazda Raceway) in June. Option Two: Las Vegas Motor Speedway in October Option Three: Willow Springs International Raceway in March or November Please reply with your preference(s) and Joe will start a tally. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > There are several events at Sears Point--the CSRG charity Challenge would > be > the most likely one. Another great choice in the Southwest is Thunderhill. > Great track, though the location sucks. It's not the middle of nowhere but > you > can see it from there. Still, the track is marvelous and there's plenty of > room to spread out. > > On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > FOT list > > > > Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in this > > madness. > > > > Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. > > > > Infineon & Mosport > > > > But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning body > > have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. > > > > Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are other > > obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. > > > > Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted area > > for the next Kastner Cup. > > > > Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the 2012 > > Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in > Competition. > > > > As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be addressed > > because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that one off. You dont > think > > so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an > answer. > > They want to make it a big and memorable event. > > > > THANK YOU VERY MUCH. > > > > Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on > > this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE > > > > Joe A > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From kaskas at cox.net Fri Jul 16 15:19:15 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:19:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Another point In-Reply-To: <20100716152358.E0T1M.54411.imail@fed1rmwml46> Message-ID: <20100716171915.Z7GQN.55446.imail@fed1rmwml41> Well apparently my long message about the rules of the CUP has been cut by the list administrator for being too long. But it may show up in a while. ---- Kas Kastner wrote: ============= In my long explanation of my rules, I left out an other thing, You cannot win the cup in consecutive years. -- Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Jul 16 16:18:02 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:18:02 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Another point References: <20100716171915.Z7GQN.55446.imail@fed1rmwml41> Message-ID: <4096F2FE3C6E4879A5F6FBA0549F4E6E@latitudefb1e41> and Mordy has been drooling all afternoon. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "Kas Kastner" ; Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Another point > Well apparently my long message about the rules of the CUP has been cut by > the list administrator for being too long. But it may show up in a while From adams910 at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 16:25:16 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:25:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: There is a discernible difference between a 6" and 7" rim on a 205 series tire. Any good driver (it's pretty common knowledge amongst the R-DOT SCCA crowd) who has done testing will tell you this. However, a 7" rim would help to make the TR4 more competitive against the Porshe 356's , the Kumho / Toyo shod MGBs and those pesky 1000lb Super 7's and Ginetta's From brad.kahler at 141.com Fri Jul 16 16:59:08 2010 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:59:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 In-Reply-To: <20100716053641.110C218765E@autox.team.net> References: <530b0.606cca22.396f1c8a@cs.com> <59627548-5197-4829-A942-4A2CC203D0BF@bnj.com> <20100716053641.110C218765E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Just thought I should throw this out there for the east coasters interested in a March or November west coast event. Keep in mind that the Rockies can be an interesting place to travel during those months. I lived in the mountains at 9000 above Denver for about 10 years and you can get horrendous snow storms at almost a moments notice. The highways are well taken care of (or were) by the road crews but when a blizzard hits there isn't much they can do until its over. Just something to consider when making a decision for the event location. Brad On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:37 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > My order of preference is that same as what is listed: > 1. Laguna Seca / June > 2. Vegas October > 3. Willow Springs with a slight preference of November over March > > - Tony Drews From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jul 16 17:31:53 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 01:31:53 +0200 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> Hmm, when ever was a TR4 slower than a 356? In Europe they are TR food. MGS are about the same speed as a TR4. S7 should be faster but not always they are. I never met a Ginetta in a race. The Porsches 911S and TS are hard to beat. I bet that the bigger rims are an advantage but they might require to do changes to the body work. Fender flares aren't allowed in Europe. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bob Adams Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Juli 2010 00:25 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP There is a discernible difference between a 6" and 7" rim on a 205 series tire. Any good driver (it's pretty common knowledge amongst the R-DOT SCCA crowd) who has done testing will tell you this. However, a 7" rim would help to make the TR4 more competitive against the Porshe 356's , the Kumho / Toyo shod MGBs and those pesky 1000lb Super 7's and Ginetta's _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From kaskas at cox.net Fri Jul 16 13:13:42 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:13:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup, not the FOT cup. In-Reply-To: <1817612503-1279299548-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-312014846-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <20100716151342.IWXI0.54252.imail@fed1rmwml46> I have always been a better than average racing lawyer, and did devote more than a little time to carefully reading every sentence and every word of every rule. So maybe I can give a little clairification of this deal. This is about TRIUMPH CARS and entrants, not FOT cars and entrants. First off, it was never meant to be a prize for the all out winner of a race that is designated as the CUP event, it might be the first overall guy, and it has happened, but only once in 6 events. Half of the voting points are awarded to the OUTSTANDING Triumph driver in the race designated. But, that is only half of it. 25% is awarded to vintage racing entrants that normally support that series, Vintage Racing, and whose attitude reflects a the spirit of the series. 25% of the points is awarded on the presentation of the car. That means a neat, clean, smart looking car that is well prepared. The final 50% is for the performance in the racing event. With a purpose, I devised this latitude to assist in judging the winner of the Cup. The idea of awarding this cup, in the very beginning, was to give a bit of special attention to the people that have put their love and efforts and hard cash into the sport and into their cars. I love Triumph cars and I thought this award might make a few folks happy to get some attention for their efforts. The club responsible for the total event that administers tech inspection determines the legality of the entrant, though it is my opinion that if your car is legal to your local clubs regulations, you make the cut. Jack Worhle at the Watklin's Glen event did a terrific job and making it possible for everyone to race together. It might be a good idea to ask him to participate. The same was done at Portland last year. Every clubs entrants, with different specifications, were all running together and it was a great event. There is usually several races for all cars. Not just the Triumph race, so it is not a plan to cut out some folks because of their local club regulations. Sure, the rules are different and so are the preparation of each, but for the most part it is pretty easy to pick out the few in the Triumph race that is OUTSTANDING. At least it has been so far. It has been terribly close right down to the end in several of the CUP events, but in the end, it was a clear cut decision. This is not a "popularity contest" or a "deserving person" contest. It is not always an easy choice, but in the end, I make the count, and the final decision, blame me if you do not agree with the outcome. ---- gasket.works at gte.net wrote: ============= I like rules. They invigorate my curiosity for ways to confound them. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: chasgee at aol.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:46:46 To: ; Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP I wish we could run 7 inch rims, but our rules (like most everyone elses) limit us to 6 inch. We can run any DOT tire though, including the R6. We have around 15-18 Triumph regulars in So Cal/Vegas that show up to most of the races. We probably average 10-12 Triumphs per local event. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Adams To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2010 6:24 am Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP I'd also caution against using hard numbers from an unofficial FOT list oll, unless there is a silent majority who are just privately emailing. The idwest racers seem to be pretty active on the list, but I can think a lot f east coast racers who you never see post anymore. The so-cal and -northwest guys seem to chime in once in a while, but I'm not sure how many f them there are. orry to steer this off topic, but what are the rules for what is eligible or the Kastner Cup? Most East Coast and Midwest racers have minimum weight ules and tire restrictions, where from taking a quick look at pictures and aking a quick gander at the rules, the west coast guys don't have them and ost seem to be on 7" rims with Hoosier R6's. That makes for a BIG ifference in performance, and I know there are some East Coast guys that ould go REALLY FAST if they switched tires and pulled ballast. Bob ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jul 16 18:34:19 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:34:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Another point In-Reply-To: <20100716171915.Z7GQN.55446.imail@fed1rmwml41> References: <20100716171915.Z7GQN.55446.imail@fed1rmwml41> Message-ID: <4C40FA8B.2070306@bradakis.com> Kas Kastner wrote: > Well apparently my long message about the rules of the CUP has been cut by the list administrator for being too long. But it may show up in a while. > Yes, I will get to various Team.Net admin chores later this evening, will make sure I get the rules message approved. Actually, I can wait another few minutes before starting the charcoal for tonight's dinner... Okay, it should be on it's way, though the server is showing some delay in turnaround time on email. I gotta get that fixed! mjb. From adams910 at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 18:35:24 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:35:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> Message-ID: Wider track, 4 wheel disk brakes, better aero, 300lbs lighter, 4 wheel independent suspension and a killer gear box set up. A really healthy TR can run the best ones down the straightaways pretty good, and a really good driver can outbrake them, but they come off the corners like a rocket ship. A track with tight corners and long straightaways would suit the TR well, but a track like Watkins Glen with a lot of fast sweepers, the TR is close, but a tick behind. I'm willing to bet the Porshe 356's (the cars out of Skirmant's shop and Ecurie Enterprises) over here are much more developed and better driven than you guys have over there. Same with the MGB's (1850lbs and the best ones are making around 190bhp on SU's). From chasgee at aol.com Fri Jul 16 19:20:03 2010 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 21:20:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com><1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> Message-ID: <8CCF365515E8C28-266C-5798@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> We have no problems with the 356s or MGs on the West coast either. 911s and Ginettas are in the next class up. -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2010 4:31 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Hmm, when ever was a TR4 slower than a 356? n Europe they are TR food. GS are about the same speed as a TR4. 7 should be faster but not always they are. never met a Ginetta in a race. he Porsches 911S and TS are hard to beat. I bet that the bigger rims are an advantage but they might require to do hanges to the body work. ender flares aren't allowed in Europe. Cheers hris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- on: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im uftrag von Bob Adams esendet: Samstag, 17. Juli 2010 00:25 n: fot at autox.team.net etreff: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP There is a discernible difference between a 6" and 7" rim on a 205 series ire. Any good driver (it's pretty common knowledge amongst the R-DOT SCCA rowd) who has done testing will tell you this. However, a 7" rim would elp to make the TR4 more competitive against the Porshe 356's , the Kumho Toyo shod MGBs and those pesky 1000lb Super 7's and Ginetta's ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Jul 16 19:25:04 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 01:25:04 -0000 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com><1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> Message-ID: We have those car running in CVAR and my TR4 loses to the fast MGB's, most of the 911's and all the S7's. The 911's run 7" rims and 225-50-15 Hoosier Street TD's or equivelent, even though they could be forced onto the 205-60-15 tire. Practicality rules the day as most 911 vintage racers also run Porsche club events and they don't want two sets of wheels and tires. We have a lot of 911's. I assume a TR6 would also run 225-50's. We have some wacky rules in CVAR. The induction rule allows any carb as long as you don't change the number of barrels. The fast MGB's are running 2" SU's in place of the SCCA spec 1.5" versions, so that tells you that they are moving a lot of air through the engine. I attest the t to the fact that the MGB was a current car into the 1980's and was continued to be developed way beyong the end of the line for the wet liner TR. That and all the lightweight stuff we all try to use and viola, big HP. From what I've heard we are pretty much maxxing out the TR engine and can't get much more through without more rev's than we can afford. The same induction rule allows one to run a TR6 with triple Webers even though the SCCA had the dual car car as the spec. Just like the old days we showed them the PI spec to get John Price's TR6 engine TVR legal and proved the righteousness of the allowance. I'm itching to build a TR6 these days. The S7's are supposed to run a single Weber with the (I think) 1300 engine and dual Webers with the smaller engines. I suspect all the ones I see are all bumped to 1500 cc's and I know they all run dual Webers. To add insult to injury they class them with me in DP. Since I have 7" rims I may have to test the "discernible difference between a 6" and 7" rim on a 205 series tire" statement. I can't see how it could be much. If it were, I'll runn 7"ers when I go west! Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP > Hmm, when ever was a TR4 slower than a 356? > In Europe they are TR food. > MGS are about the same speed as a TR4. > S7 should be faster but not always they are. > I never met a Ginetta in a race. > The Porsches 911S and TS are hard to beat. > > I bet that the bigger rims are an advantage but they might require to do > changes to the body work. > Fender flares aren't allowed in Europe. > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Bob Adams > Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Juli 2010 00:25 > An: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP > > There is a discernible difference between a 6" and 7" rim on a 205 series > tire. Any good driver (it's pretty common knowledge amongst the R-DOT > SCCA > crowd) who has done testing will tell you this. However, a 7" rim would > help to make the TR4 more competitive against the Porshe 356's , the Kumho > / Toyo shod MGBs and those pesky 1000lb Super 7's and Ginetta's Jack W> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jul 16 19:44:14 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:44:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com><1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> Message-ID: Hi Gang...In the old days, TR4s were DP(got moved up from EP)..and 356 Porsches stayed in EP...In DP ..lets not forget the Jaguar XK 120.....On a track like Vacaville, which ....had a long straight...The Jags dominated....On a twisty course..The Lotus Super 7 was hard to beat....The TR4 was a car that could 'Do It All'(not beat the Jag down the straight though) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP > Hmm, when ever was a TR4 slower than a 356? > In Europe they are TR food. > MGS are about the same speed as a TR4. > S7 should be faster but not always they are. > I never met a Ginetta in a race. > The Porsches 911S and TS are hard to beat. > > I bet that the bigger rims are an advantage but they might require to do > changes to the body work. > Fender flares aren't allowed in Europe. > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Bob Adams > Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Juli 2010 00:25 > An: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP > > There is a discernible difference between a 6" and 7" rim on a 205 series > tire. Any good driver (it's pretty common knowledge amongst the R-DOT > SCCA > crowd) who has done testing will tell you this. However, a 7" rim would > help to make the TR4 more competitive against the Porshe 356's , the Kumho > / Toyo shod MGBs and those pesky 1000lb Super 7's and Ginetta's Jack W> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From stlnyc at msn.com Fri Jul 16 20:17:57 2010 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:17:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Message-ID: I would also like to suggest High Plains Raceway when the race is due to be in the middle part of the country again. RMVR used to put on the Steamboat street race which drew entrants from across the country, so they're used to differences in club rules. HPR is also the only (as far as I know) track that was built,maintained & managed by & for amatuer racers. It's a 2.5 mile, 15 corner track with 60' of elevation changes that offers enough technical challenges and high speed straights to keep everybody grinning (or swearing!). If you'd like, check it out on the website - www.highplainsraceway.com . Fred Hodgson From adams910 at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 20:41:21 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:41:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> Message-ID: For those who don't know me, I crew on Dick Stockton's car, and he runs up front at the BIG SVRA events. I honestly believe you're not going to find faster vintage fields than the Gold Cup, KIC, and Watkins Glen Vintage GP. For lap time comparisons he's turning 2.20's at Watkins Glen and the rest of the front runners 2.20's - high 2.18 range. For reference, in the Triumph race in '08, the TR250K did a 2.19.4 and Kreger did a 2.19.1. So I'm talking some VERY FAST 4cyl cars. (Skirmant's 356, Mckenzie's MGB (ex Dave Headley car for the RMVR people), Tillinger's Datsun, and some Super 7's). Since we're talking Porsche 356's here are some typical times for comparison from Vic Skirmants' Porsche 356 ( without a doubt, the best 356 in the country): 2:18's at VIR 1:42's Mid Ohio (Pro) , 1:44's (club (what everyone ran in 2002)) 2:44's at Road America 1:44's at Road Atlanta 2:19's at Watkins Glen This isn't about the Porsche's though. They're great cars, very well prepared, and driven in the upper Midwest and in the Northeast. I'm just proposing for the SVRA *3CP* cars to be allowed a 7" rim. That's all. From billb at bnj.com Fri Jul 16 22:57:13 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 21:57:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> Message-ID: <758F174B-C2FD-41AC-98EF-121B5F53F6ED@bnj.com> I eat them for breakfast, but that's the benefit of having a special. On Jul 16, 2010, at 5:35 PM, Bob Adams wrote: > Wider track, 4 wheel disk brakes, better aero, 300lbs lighter, 4 wheel > independent suspension and a killer gear box set up. A really healthy TR can > run the best ones down the straightaways pretty good, and a really good > driver can outbrake them, but they come off the corners like a rocket ship. > A track with tight corners and long straightaways would suit the TR well, > but a track like Watkins Glen with a lot of fast sweepers, the TR is close, > but a tick behind. > > I'm willing to bet the Porshe 356's (the cars out of Skirmant's shop and > Ecurie Enterprises) over here are much more developed and better driven than > you guys have over there. Same with the MGB's (1850lbs and the best ones are > making around 190bhp on SU's). > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sat Jul 17 08:45:10 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 08:45:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FoT Wheels - Kastner Cup shirts. Message-ID: <1BA4B7C5-FFD2-42CE-99BA-67BA397E480B@earthlink.net> Here are the links for your viewing pleasure [Thanks Tony]. T-shirt front - http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/Picture%201.png Back - http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/KastnerBackUse.jpg Sizes S - XL are $12.50 ea. + $1.25 for 2X-5X 100% cotton. White tee only. Be sure to specify the size[s] with your payment. Payment via PayPal to: lunkercars at earthlink.net Send checks to: Lunkercars 323-K Claremont Ave NW Albuquerque NM If paying by check, please also send me a e-mail so I know the numbers. I would like to have this wrapped-up and the order in by Monday August 2nd. So get those orders commin' soon. There will likely NOT be any extras available at the track. No shipping is available at this time. Unless someone [who will be at the event to receive them] wants to volunteer to send them out. And don't get your knickers in a twist - "spoof" &/or "satire" are exempt from infringement laws and I'm pretty sure Sam doesn't mind. See ya' in Topeka, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From adams910 at gmail.com Sat Jul 17 11:45:49 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 13:45:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: <758F174B-C2FD-41AC-98EF-121B5F53F6ED@bnj.com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> <758F174B-C2FD-41AC-98EF-121B5F53F6ED@bnj.com> Message-ID: Sorry Bill, but looking at past results, Skirmants has about 1-3 seconds a lap on you everywhere. From billb at bnj.com Sat Jul 17 13:33:44 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 12:33:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> <758F174B-C2FD-41AC-98EF-121B5F53F6ED@bnj.com> Message-ID: He doesn't count. That thing is absurdly fast. On Jul 17, 2010, at 10:45 AM, Bob Adams wrote: > Sorry Bill, but looking at past results, Skirmants has about 1-3 seconds a lap on you everywhere. From gasket.works at gte.net Sat Jul 17 14:53:59 2010 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 20:53:59 +0000 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Message-ID: <2064089872-1279400037-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2034070041-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> That mutant 356 of skirmantz is just that. It may look like a bug but...... below that skin is a space/time warp. Not to take anything away from driving skill... But HP lives and in the end it wins. M ------Original Message------ From: Bill Babcock Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: Bob Adams Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Sent: Jul 17, 2010 12:33 PM He doesn't count. That thing is absurdly fast. On Jul 17, 2010, at 10:45 AM, Bob Adams wrote: > Sorry Bill, but looking at past results, Skirmants has about 1-3 seconds a lap on you everywhere. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jul 17 15:26:29 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:26:29 +0200 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> Message-ID: <000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com> Okay, these cars seem to be tuned up than the ones over here. I never had any trouble with 356 ones. MGBs in Europe do have about 170 hp, as they have to run 100 octane fuel. Same as my TR4. A TR6 do a lot more power. Maybe cars from England do have more power as the English cars are very fast each time they appear. Von: Bob Adams [mailto:adams910 at gmail.com] Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Juli 2010 02:35 An: MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Wider track, 4 wheel disk brakes, better aero, 300lbs lighter, 4 wheel independent suspension and a killer gear box set up. A really healthy TR can run the best ones down the straightaways pretty good, and a really good driver can outbrake them, but they come off the corners like a rocket ship. A track with tight corners and long straightaways would suit the TR well, but a track like Watkins Glen with a lot of fast sweepers, the TR is close, but a tick behind. I'm willing to bet the Porshe 356's (the cars out of Skirmant's shop and Ecurie Enterprises) over here are much more developed and better driven than you guys have over there. Same with the MGB's (1850lbs and the best ones are making around 190bhp on SU's). From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat Jul 17 16:02:30 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 15:02:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs In-Reply-To: <000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> <000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com> Message-ID: They run 4 wheel discs, they're super light and build hot engines. No tractor parts. Bill Dentinger, do you still have those cement 356 doorstops? ~Steve From adams910 at gmail.com Sat Jul 17 16:36:24 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:36:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP In-Reply-To: <2064089872-1279400037-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2034070041-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <2064089872-1279400037-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2034070041-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: It's not hp that's doing it for the fast 356's. We run against those guys regularly. It's all the in chassis. Which is why 7" rims will help the the TR4 in SVRA 3CP ;) ...... Just sayin... From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Sat Jul 17 17:40:02 2010 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 19:40:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rainex or wipers In-Reply-To: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> References: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CE@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Hi Amici, Its been awhile since I have been on the list. (in fact I see I am now 10,360 emails behind from the MG gang, FOT, and the lunatics in the Lotus Europa yahoo group that email every time they put an ounce of gas in the car. (hope I am not offending anyone :) )) The query of the day is: I am rebuilding a GT6 and am welding up holes all over the old girl. Now I have come to the wiper holes below the windscreen, and I wonder is it better to carry the weight of the wipers and motor or use Rainex and no wipers and no weight (and of course a nice clean deck look)? I also plan to use a lexan windscreen to help keep the weight off the front heavy nose too. Thank you for your thoughts Bill B 69 GT6+ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billbartlett at wingnutracing.com From susank at 141.com Sat Jul 17 18:18:40 2010 From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 20:18:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rainex or wipers In-Reply-To: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CE@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> References: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CE@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: <4C424860.9050900@141.com> Hi Bill! If this will be a street car and you decide on a glass windshield, I would say keep the wipers. There are situations where you are driving slowly in light rain, it may mist heavily or cars in front of you may throw up dirty water from the road where Rain-X will not work. You will be very happy for wipers, then. I do not know how Rain-X interacts with Lexan. It is made for glass, and I don't think it would work so well (it is designed to fill the "pores" in the glass with small molecules). Just my 47.7 cents (adjusted for inflation). Keep Triumphing, Susan :) On 7/17/2010 7:40 PM, Bill Bartlett wrote: > Hi Amici, > Its been awhile since I have been on the list. (in fact I see I am now 10,360 > emails behind from the MG gang, FOT, and the lunatics in the Lotus Europa > yahoo group that email every time they put an ounce of gas in the car. (hope > I am not offending anyone :) )) > The query of the day is: I am rebuilding a GT6 and am welding up holes all > over the old girl. Now I have come to the wiper holes below the windscreen, > and I wonder is it better to carry the weight of the wipers and motor or use > Rainex and no wipers and no weight (and of course a nice clean deck look)? > I also plan to use a lexan windscreen to help keep the weight off the front > heavy nose too. > Thank you for your thoughts > Bill B > 69 GT6+ > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billbartlett at wingnutracing.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.839 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3011 - Release Date: 07/17/10 02:35:00 > > -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sat Jul 17 18:19:50 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:19:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shirt up-date Message-ID: <1078C080-451A-4BEE-82F8-D272D9FAAF9E@earthlink.net> Barry Munson has stepped up to do shipping. We'll have a price Monday. I neglected to include my zip for checks - 87107 And yes, the shirts will be a high quality silk-screen, not a cheapo heat transfer. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sat Jul 17 18:47:26 2010 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 20:47:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Shirt up-date In-Reply-To: <1078C080-451A-4BEE-82F8-D272D9FAAF9E@earthlink.net> References: <1078C080-451A-4BEE-82F8-D272D9FAAF9E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I was hoping for shipping. I will definitely order one. I will wait till you get back with us with a price Chris Sent from my IPhone On Jul 17, 2010, at 8:19 PM, "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" wrote: > Barry Munson has stepped up to do shipping. We'll have a price Monday. > I neglected to include my zip for checks - 87107 > And yes, the shirts will be a high quality silk-screen, not a cheapo heat transfer. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 17 19:19:15 2010 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> <000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com> Message-ID: <304708.71153.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Keep in mind that Vic has had over 40 years to perfect those Porsches. I have pictures of him back in '69 and '70 at Waterford, and he was fast then. ________________________________ From: Steven Belfer To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 6:02:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs They run 4 wheel discs, they're super light and build hot engines. No tractor parts. Bill Dentinger, do you still have those cement 356 doorstops? ~Steve _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Sat Jul 17 19:52:07 2010 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:52:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rainex or wipers In-Reply-To: <4C424860.9050900@141.com> References: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CE@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> <4C424860.9050900@141.com> Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CF@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Hi Susan It is a race car; Group 3 SVRA. I will check on the lexan/rainex compatibility Thank you Bill -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Susan Kahler Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:19 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Rainex or wipers Hi Bill! If this will be a street car and you decide on a glass windshield, I would say keep the wipers. There are situations where you are driving slowly in light rain, it may mist heavily or cars in front of you may throw up dirty water from the road where Rain-X will not work. You will be very happy for wipers, then. I do not know how Rain-X interacts with Lexan. It is made for glass, and I don't think it would work so well (it is designed to fill the "pores" in the glass with small molecules). Just my 47.7 cents (adjusted for inflation). Keep Triumphing, Susan :) On 7/17/2010 7:40 PM, Bill Bartlett wrote: > Hi Amici, > Its been awhile since I have been on the list. (in fact I see I am now 10,360 > emails behind from the MG gang, FOT, and the lunatics in the Lotus Europa > yahoo group that email every time they put an ounce of gas in the car. (hope > I am not offending anyone :) )) > The query of the day is: I am rebuilding a GT6 and am welding up holes all > over the old girl. Now I have come to the wiper holes below the windscreen, > and I wonder is it better to carry the weight of the wipers and motor or use > Rainex and no wipers and no weight (and of course a nice clean deck look)? > I also plan to use a lexan windscreen to help keep the weight off the front > heavy nose too. > Thank you for your thoughts > Bill B > 69 GT6+ > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billbartlett at wingnutracing.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.839 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3011 - Release Date: 07/17/10 02:35:00 > > -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billbartlett at wingnutracing.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sat Jul 17 20:58:49 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg Lunker Hilyer) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 20:58:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Rainex or wipers In-Reply-To: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CF@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> References: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CE@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> <4C424860.9050900@141.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CF@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: Rain-X rocks. I use it on everything,,, windscreen, visor and even my eye glasses in the extreme [Rain-X "Fog-X" is also great]. Compatible with all. If you want to use Lexan and wipers make sure you get the new scratch resistant stuff - it will actually deal with wipers much better than the original. When covering things like the wiper holes I always ask myself "would anyone want to ever put this car back on the street again?" Why not get rid of the hardware and just put rubber plugs in the holes. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jul 17, 2010, at 7:52 PM, Bill Bartlett wrote: > Hi Susan > It is a race car; Group 3 SVRA. I will check on the lexan/rainex > compatibility > Thank you > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Susan Kahler > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:19 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Rainex or wipers > > Hi Bill! > > If this will be a street car and you decide on a glass windshield, I > would say keep the wipers. There are situations where you are driving > slowly in light rain, it may mist heavily or cars in front of you may > throw up dirty water from the road where Rain-X will not work. You > will > be very happy for wipers, then. > > I do not know how Rain-X interacts with Lexan. It is made for > glass, and > I don't think it would work so well (it is designed to fill the > "pores" > in the glass with small molecules). > > Just my 47.7 cents (adjusted for inflation). > > Keep Triumphing, > Susan :) > > > On 7/17/2010 7:40 PM, Bill Bartlett wrote: >> Hi Amici, >> Its been awhile since I have been on the list. (in fact I see I am >> now > 10,360 >> emails behind from the MG gang, FOT, and the lunatics in the Lotus >> Europa >> yahoo group that email every time they put an ounce of gas in the >> car. > (hope >> I am not offending anyone :) )) >> The query of the day is: I am rebuilding a GT6 and am welding up >> holes all >> over the old girl. Now I have come to the wiper holes below the > windscreen, >> and I wonder is it better to carry the weight of the wipers and >> motor or > use >> Rainex and no wipers and no weight (and of course a nice clean >> deck look)? >> I also plan to use a lexan windscreen to help keep the weight off >> the front >> heavy nose too. >> Thank you for your thoughts >> Bill B >> 69 GT6+ >> >> >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> billbartlett at wingnutracing.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> spitfiresuz at 141.com >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.839 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3011 - Release Date: >> 07/17/10 > 02:35:00 >> >> > > -- > I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > billbartlett at wingnutracing.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From adams910 at gmail.com Sat Jul 17 21:40:47 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:40:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs In-Reply-To: <304708.71153.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> <000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com> <304708.71153.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There are no complaints about Vic's efforts and driving ability, as they are top notch. His history speaks for itself. He's the Group 3 bench mark, so his times are what everyone should shoot for. Just looking to get the TR's that compete in the same class just a little something more to help level the playing field just a little bit. From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Jul 18 11:08:59 2010 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:08:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs In-Reply-To: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com><1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41><000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com><000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com><304708.71153.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com><1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41><000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com><000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com><304708.71153.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Leveling the playing field" is what SCCA has tried to do for years in the "production" classes. We all can pretty much see the mess that has become. Not every car type can be competitive. It's just a simple fact. Nor can there be a class for every make, so that they can all be winners. The Porsche 356 is a very sophisticated car compared to our British locomotives. But then, they did cost twice as much when new. And they are not perfect by any means. They are fairly RPM limited (about 5800 according to Vic) because of their weak cranks and fragile engine cases. Also, they are tricky to drive on the limit because of their rear engine/swing axle rear suspension set up. They take a masterful set up, and a delicate hand to go fast in. Going fast on the track, no matter the car, is an alchemy of the driver and the builder playing to the strengths of the design that they have, and minimizing as much as possible the weaknesses of that design, within the grey edges of the rule book. We all play by the same rules. Some cars are just better platforms than others. It has always been this way and always will. Too much rules tweaking to gain advantage will lead to the death of the sport. It has very nearly killed SCCA production car racing. Remember folks, we are not racing for a National Championship in vintage racing. All we get is the satisfaction of competing, and if we are lucky, and have prepared well, a pot metal car on a stick at the end of the weekend. It's about being here. That is the true reward. Terry Stetler From adams910 at gmail.com Sun Jul 18 13:32:51 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:32:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> <000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com> <304708.71153.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I do agree, but I'm talking about a change that will effect the 3CP cars only. I only think there are two or three TR4's in that class as everyone else is running 3DP. This has nothing to do with those cars. As far as I know, putting webers on a a TR4 produces a class of car that was never in production racing, it was however in D-Modified, where I'm sure the rules were a little more liberal (wider wheels and minimum weight rules? I hope Kas chimes in). So now my questions becomes, can we prepare to the D-Modified rule set and still be eligible for 3CP? For the "in the spirit" folk, it' would be closer to fact than bolting webers on a DP car and calling it a "CP" car. "Remember folks, we are not racing for a National Championship in vintage racing. All we get is the satisfaction of competing, and if we are lucky, and have prepared well, a pot metal car on a stick at the end of the weekend." It is however still racing. If no one thinks the front runners aren't testing, constantly tweaking, showing up with the best cars within the rule set, and driving them at 10/10's, then they are mistaken. . A lot of those guys were front runners in SCCA and IMSA, and that's the ONLY way they know how to go racing. Just like playing games in gym class... somebody has to win. From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Sun Jul 18 13:54:59 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:54:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41> <000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com> <000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com> <304708.71153.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I sent a message last year stating that Kas had given me a copy of the homologation papers for the TR4 and that I could send PDF copies to anyone that wanted them. They state that 45 DCOE Webers are homologated for use in the USA. On Jul 18, 2010 3:48 PM, "Bob Adams" wrote: I do agree, but I'm talking about a change that will effect the 3CP cars only. I only think there are two or three TR4's in that class as everyone else is running 3DP. This has nothing to do with those cars. As far as I know, putting webers on a a TR4 produces a class of car that was never in production racing, it was however in D-Modified, where I'm sure the rules were a little more liberal (wider wheels and minimum weight rules? I hope Kas chimes in). So now my questions becomes, can we prepare to the D-Modified rule set and still be eligible for 3CP? For the "in the spirit" folk, it' would be closer to fact than bolting webers on a DP car and calling it a "CP" car. "Remember folks, we are not racing for a National Championship in vintage racing. All we get is the... It is however still racing. If no one thinks the front runners aren't testing, constantly tweaking, showing up with the best cars within the rule set, and driving them at 10/10's, then they are mistaken. . A lot of those guys were front runners in SCCA and IMSA, and that's the ONLY way they know how to go racing. Just like playing games in gym class... somebody has to win. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donat... From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 18 14:04:27 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 22:04:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF3153AE6A76D-1BC0-D65E@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com><1EFF0130F8C64FAB8A9171DD0E15B401@latitudefb1e41><000201cb253f$138239a0$3a86ace0$@com><000c01cb25f6$b9a0b250$2ce216f0$@com><304708.71153.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000a01cb26b4$6e4e11d0$4aea3570$@com> I'm running in the Triumph Competition. The Triumph Competition is free for British Sports cars and maybe touring cars too. We have our own rules besides the Fia historic rules. We are allowed to be 10% lighter for the <3.0 liter cars than the homologation say. The >3.0 liter cars have to maintain their stock carburetion system. With these rules we equalize most of the cars to have close racing. To keep cost low we are allowed to run plastic body parts as long they look like stock. We can run 5" more track width. Brakes has to be stock with exception for the TR7/8 cars which have dangerous small brakes. We are allowed to run DOT tires up to 205/60-15 width. We normally don't deal with Porsche cars and other not British cars, but there are big races were we are part from and then we are racing against Porsche, BMW, and what else is on the track. A 356 never was any fast enough to pass me....but maybe there are different 356 models and the cars I meet are of the slower ones. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Terry Stetler Gesendet: Sonntag, 18. Juli 2010 19:09 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP Now Those darn bathtubs "Leveling the playing field" is what SCCA has tried to do for years in the "production" classes. We all can pretty much see the mess that has become. Not every car type can be competitive. It's just a simple fact. Nor can there be a class for every make, so that they can all be winners. The Porsche 356 is a very sophisticated car compared to our British locomotives. But then, they did cost twice as much when new. And they are not perfect by any means. They are fairly RPM limited (about 5800 according to Vic) because of their weak cranks and fragile engine cases. Also, they are tricky to drive on the limit because of their rear engine/swing axle rear suspension set up. They take a masterful set up, and a delicate hand to go fast in. Going fast on the track, no matter the car, is an alchemy of the driver and the builder playing to the strengths of the design that they have, and minimizing as much as possible the weaknesses of that design, within the grey edges of the rule book. We all play by the same rules. Some cars are just better platforms than others. It has always been this way and always will. Too much rules tweaking to gain advantage will lead to the death of the sport. It has very nearly killed SCCA production car racing. Remember folks, we are not racing for a National Championship in vintage racing. All we get is the satisfaction of competing, and if we are lucky, and have prepared well, a pot metal car on a stick at the end of the weekend. It's about being here. That is the true reward. Terry Stetler _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jul 19 08:33:22 2010 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 09:33:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing Message-ID: Greetings All. I Took my new GT6 Racecar out for the first time this weekend. It was the cars first racing outing in 15 years. I had fellow FOT member Scott Barr as my instructor which was totally awesome. between him, my dad and John Reed... my crew of three had over 50 years of GT6 racing experience behind them and it really showed. We took a car that had not seen a track in 15 years and were right there racing with porches, Miatas and ahead many very fast cars. We made all but one of the 8 sessions of a very intense MCSCC Drivers School and completed 49 high speed laps. In one day of racing we overcame a water leak, brake replacement, oil leak, a throttle peddle stuck behind the tunnel cover, and normal race prep. On the last session the rear end got so hot it melted all the bushings that hold it in place... the bushings were actually liquefied and dripping to the ground when I got back to the paddock... which prevented us from racing again on Sunday. I'll be replacing the rear end tonight so we can go racing this weekend at Grattan. I don't post much but FOT list and archive has been a very valuable resource in getting this car back on the track... Thanks to ALL of FOT for being there with you knowledge and insight. This weekend was a big victory for me and FOT. We are on the road to the Kastner Cup. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+ From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Jul 19 08:43:20 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:43:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing Message-ID: <9a22a.5bae3773.3975be88@aol.com> Awesome news Jason! Congrats! Replace all that rubber with aluminum when putting the new diff in... From jerrybarr at charter.net Mon Jul 19 08:45:59 2010 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 09:45:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am looking forward to racing with you at Midwestern Council events and maybe some VSCDA events too. It will be great having another GT6 out there. Jerry Barr #59 Red 1968 GT6 On Jul 19, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Greetings All. > I Took my new GT6 Racecar out for the first time this weekend. It was the > cars first racing outing in 15 years. I had fellow FOT member Scott Barr as > my instructor which was totally awesome. between him, my dad and John > Reed... my crew of three had over 50 years of GT6 racing experience behind > them and it really showed. We took a car that had not seen a track in 15 > years and were right there racing with porches, Miatas and ahead many very > fast cars. We made all but one of the 8 sessions of a very intense MCSCC > Drivers School and completed 49 high speed laps. In one day of racing > we overcame a water leak, brake replacement, oil leak, a throttle > peddle stuck behind the tunnel cover, and normal race prep. On the last > session the rear end got so hot it melted all the bushings that hold it in > place... the bushings were actually liquefied and dripping to the ground > when I got back to the paddock... which prevented us from racing again on > Sunday. I'll be replacing the rear end tonight so we can go racing this > weekend at Grattan. I don't post much but FOT list and archive has been a > very valuable resource in getting this car back on the track... Thanks to > ALL of FOT for being there with you knowledge and insight. This weekend was > a big victory for me and FOT. We are on the road to the Kastner Cup. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 19 09:01:37 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:01:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA Message-ID: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> FOT, Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! FOT at Leguna Seca? If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would you RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with negotiations. YES or NO is all the answer we need. Storied Track with great history. Non-Festival event with track time. Good time of the year for a lot of folks. Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jul 19 09:02:35 2010 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:02:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7FCE5@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> It should be said that Jason did a great job in the school. It's a very high pressure, busy day and he hung in there, completing a very high percentage of the laps even with a car that was having a few teething problems. And he's pretty fast, too, right out of the box :-) He was out there ahead of some cars which should have been quite a lot faster. But then, that's the heritage of Team Zippy. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 9:33 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing Greetings All. I Took my new GT6 Racecar out for the first time this weekend. It was the cars first racing outing in 15 years. I had fellow FOT member Scott Barr as my instructor which was totally awesome. between him, my dad and John Reed... my crew of three had over 50 years of GT6 racing experience behind them and it really showed. We took a car that had not seen a track in 15 years and were right there racing with porches, Miatas and ahead many very fast cars. We made all but one of the 8 sessions of a very intense MCSCC Drivers School and completed 49 high speed laps. In one day of racing we overcame a water leak, brake replacement, oil leak, a throttle peddle stuck behind the tunnel cover, and normal race prep. On the last session the rear end got so hot it melted all the bushings that hold it in place... the bushings were actually liquefied and dripping to the ground when I got back to the paddock... which prevented us from racing again on Sunday. I'll be replacing the rear end tonight so we can go racing this weekend at Grattan. I don't post much but FOT list and archive has been a very valuable resource in getting this car back on the track... Thanks to ALL of FOT for being there with you knowledge and insight. This weekend was a big victory for me and FOT. We are on the road to the Kastner Cup. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From billb at bnj.com Mon Jul 19 09:20:00 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:20:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9D37D444-F949-4510-9204-222D9537F20E@bnj.com> Absolutely. Yes. On Jul 19, 2010, at 8:01 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT, > > Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! > > FOT at Leguna Seca? > > If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would you > > RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? > > If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with > negotiations. > > YES or NO is all the answer we need. > > Storied Track with great history. > Non-Festival event with track time. > Good time of the year for a lot of folks. > Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Jul 19 09:19:51 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:19:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing Message-ID: <6f11c.66e7f7e8.3975c717@aol.com> In a message dated 07/19/2010 10:16:38 AM Central Daylight Time, sbarr at McCarty-Law.com writes: > But then, > that's the heritage of Team Zippy. > I can bare witness to that! TEAM ZIPPY go fast! Bill Dentinger From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jul 19 09:28:23 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:28:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA References: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I would go...Racer Bud..spitfire #21 > FOT, > > Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! > > FOT at Leguna Seca? > > If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would > you > > RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? > > If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with > negotiations. > > YES or NO is all the answer we need. > > Storied Track with great history. > Non-Festival event with track time. > Good time of the year for a lot of folks. > Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Jul 19 09:31:53 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:31:53 EDT Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA Message-ID: <7e0e1.4d4e2a69.3975c9e9@aol.com> Yes if they let us. I understand their rules are rather restrictive From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Jul 19 10:13:58 2010 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:13:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000801cb275d$65afc150$310f43f0$@com> Congratulations Jason! Having built our TR4 I know how much work you had to do! And, what a great help and resource the FOT is. Also, kudos on the MCSCC driving school completion. I did that one also, and it is intense!! Way to go:) Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 9:33 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing Greetings All. I Took my new GT6 Racecar out for the first time this weekend. It was the cars first racing outing in 15 years. I had fellow FOT member Scott Barr as my instructor which was totally awesome. between him, my dad and John Reed... my crew of three had over 50 years of GT6 racing experience behind them and it really showed. We took a car that had not seen a track in 15 years and were right there racing with porches, Miatas and ahead many very fast cars. We made all but one of the 8 sessions of a very intense MCSCC Drivers School and completed 49 high speed laps. In one day of racing we overcame a water leak, brake replacement, oil leak, a throttle peddle stuck behind the tunnel cover, and normal race prep. On the last session the rear end got so hot it melted all the bushings that hold it in place... the bushings were actually liquefied and dripping to the ground when I got back to the paddock... which prevented us from racing again on Sunday. I'll be replacing the rear end tonight so we can go racing this weekend at Grattan. I don't post much but FOT list and archive has been a very valuable resource in getting this car back on the track... Thanks to ALL of FOT for being there with you knowledge and insight. This weekend was a big victory for me and FOT. We are on the road to the Kastner Cup. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jul 19 10:34:15 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:34:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20100719163334.B9F1318788B@autox.team.net> I would probably go - it's my best chance to do Laguna, and that's on my bucket list. I'm curious about the noise regs (I understand they're restrictive, and my car bumps 105 db), and of course the car prep rules. - Tony Drews At 10:01 AM 7/19/2010, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >FOT, > >Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! > >FOT at Leguna Seca? > >If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would you > >RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? > >If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with >negotiations. > >YES or NO is all the answer we need. > >Storied Track with great history. >Non-Festival event with track time. >Good time of the year for a lot of folks. >Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From mlbruner53 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 19 10:42:20 2010 From: mlbruner53 at yahoo.com (Michael Bruner) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 09:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <225117.34634.qm@web54106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yes, if they let our VARA cars run. Mike Bruner TR4A - #612 Blacksmith Racing --- On Mon, 7/19/10, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: From: n197tr4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 8:01 AM FOT, Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! FOT at Leguna Seca? If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would you RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with negotiations. YES or NO is all the answer we need. Storied Track with great history. Non-Festival event with track time. Good time of the year for a lot of folks. Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlbruner53 at yahoo.com From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Mon Jul 19 11:43:10 2010 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA Message-ID: <17301267.1279561390883.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I could bring 3 of my own Spitfire race cars. We were there 2 weeks ago sound was a problem for one of my cars. It,s hard to get below 92 DBs Joe -----Original Message----- >From: n197tr4 at cs.com >Sent: Jul 19, 2010 8:01 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA > >FOT, > >Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! > >FOT at Leguna Seca? > >If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would you > >RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? > >If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with >negotiations. > >YES or NO is all the answer we need. > >Storied Track with great history. >Non-Festival event with track time. >Good time of the year for a lot of folks. >Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsiam1 at earthlink.net > > Chequered Flag Racing .net Joseph P. Siam 9833 Deering Ave unit I Chatsworth Ca 91311 818 350 6222 From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Mon Jul 19 11:54:47 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:54:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: <17301267.1279561390883.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <17301267.1279561390883.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: This would be an unrestricted sound event. On Jul 19, 2010 1:48 PM, "Joseph Siam" wrote: I could bring 3 of my own Spitfire race cars. We were there 2 weeks ago sound was a problem for one of my cars. It,s hard to get below 92 DBs Joe -----Original Message----- >From: n197tr4 at cs.com >Sent: Jul 19, 2010 8:01 AM >To: fot at autox.team.n... >FOT, > >Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! > >FOT at Leguna Seca? > >If you could plan ... >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsiam1 at earthlink.net > > Chequered Flag Racing .net Joseph P. Siam 9833 Deering Ave unit I Chatsworth Ca 91311 818 350 6222 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donat... From bownes at seiri.com Mon Jul 19 11:56:39 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:56:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: <17301267.1279561390883.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <17301267.1279561390883.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Oooh! Can I drive one? ;) Laguna would be my 1st west coast choice. On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Joseph Siam wrote: > I could bring 3 of my own Spitfire race cars. We were there 2 weeks ago > sound was a problem for one of my cars. It,s hard to get below 92 DBs Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: n197tr4 at cs.com > >Sent: Jul 19, 2010 8:01 AM > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA > > > >FOT, > > > >Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! > > > >FOT at Leguna Seca? > > > >If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would > you > > > >RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? > > > >If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with > >negotiations. > > > >YES or NO is all the answer we need. > > > >Storied Track with great history. > >Non-Festival event with track time. > >Good time of the year for a lot of folks. > >Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsiam1 at earthlink.net > > > > > > > Chequered Flag Racing .net > Joseph P. Siam > 9833 Deering Ave unit I > Chatsworth Ca 91311 > 818 350 6222 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From markvaden at gmail.com Mon Jul 19 12:47:00 2010 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:47:00 -1000 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: References: <17301267.1279561390883.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <84FF96E5-019B-4EF1-BBB5-112F61B44C0F@gmail.com> Yes if they will let my car run. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2010, at 7:54 AM, John Nikas wrote: > This would be an unrestricted sound event. > > On Jul 19, 2010 1:48 PM, "Joseph Siam" wrote: > > I could bring 3 of my own Spitfire race cars. We were there 2 weeks ago > sound was a problem for one of my cars. It,s hard to get below 92 DBs Joe > > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >> Sent: Jul 19, 2010 8:01 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.n... > >> FOT, >> >> Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! >> >> FOT at Leguna Seca? >> >> If you could plan ... >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsiam1 at earthlink.net >> >> > > > Chequered Flag Racing .net > Joseph P. Siam > 9833 Deering Ave unit I > Chatsworth Ca 91311 > 818 350 6222 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donat... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/markvaden at gmail.com From mlcooknj at msn.com Mon Jul 19 15:37:34 2010 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:37:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2012 In-Reply-To: <1216.189.154.17.161.1279245792.squirrel@189.154.17.161> References: <1216.189.154.17.161.1279245792.squirrel@189.154.17.161> Message-ID: It's entirely possible that Triumphs were raced at private circuits like Briarcliff Manor, etc., before WWII. I don't have any definite info on that. I will also look in my TSOA newsletter archives. I know for a fact that TR2s were being raced in 1954/55 in SCCA events at places like Akron and Lockbourne AFB in Ohio because I was there. Jarrard Distributors in Pensacola ran TRs at Sebring in 56, I believe and there were official teams in '57 and later. On the west coast, Cal Sales started sponsoring race entries very early in their distributorship. I remember Alan Bethell (president of Triumph over here in the late 50s and early 60s) telling me about running a couple of races out west when he was still the regional sales rep which would have been 1954-55. Mike Cook > Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 21:03:12 -0500 > From: jgambony at gcecisp.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2012 > > For 2012 I'll pose the question to the historians on the list (I'm away > from my reference library for the week)... > > Where was the first race for a Standard-Triumph in the US? > > Just a thought. > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > > > FOT list > > Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in this > madness. > > Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. > > Infineon & Mosport > > But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning body > have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. > > Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are other > obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. > > Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted area > for the next Kastner Cup. > > Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the 2012 > Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in Competition. > > As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be addressed > because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that one off. You dont > think so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an > answer. > They want to make it a big and memorable event. > > THANK YOU VERY MUCH. > > Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on > this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE > > Joe A > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From EDENMA at aol.com Mon Jul 19 18:42:24 2010 From: EDENMA at aol.com (EDENMA at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 20:42:24 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 Carrillo Rod Needed Message-ID: Amici: Due to an unfortunate engine failure at our first outing this year, I find myself in need of one or more serviceable TR4 Carrillo rods in order to get the engine back together in time for Topeka. Anyone who may have one or more sitting in their stash, please contact me off list. Cheers! Mark 62 DP TR4 #357 64 GP Spitfire #42 From koblinger at verizon.net Mon Jul 19 21:10:25 2010 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 20:10:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2012 In-Reply-To: References: <1216.189.154.17.161.1279245792.squirrel@189.154.17.161> Message-ID: <4C4513A1.2050002@verizon.net> I'm pretty sure the first TR2s showed up at West Coast races in the spring of '54. I'll have to have a look through my old programs to see if I can pin it down. There were TR2s in the US in late '53 so it's possible one competed in late '53. Kurt O. michael cook wrote: > It's entirely possible that Triumphs were raced at private circuits like > Briarcliff Manor, etc., before WWII. I don't have any definite info on that. I > will also look in my TSOA newsletter archives. > > > > I know for a fact that TR2s were being raced in 1954/55 in SCCA events at > places like Akron and Lockbourne AFB in Ohio because I was there. Jarrard > Distributors in Pensacola ran TRs at Sebring in 56, I believe and there were > official teams in '57 and later. > > > > On the west coast, Cal Sales started sponsoring race entries very early in > their distributorship. I remember Alan Bethell (president of Triumph over here > in the late 50s and early 60s) telling me about running a couple of races out > west when he was still the regional sales rep which would have been 1954-55. > > > > Mike Cook > > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 21:03:12 -0500 >> From: jgambony at gcecisp.com >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2012 >> >> For 2012 I'll pose the question to the historians on the list (I'm away >> from my reference library for the week)... >> >> Where was the first race for a Standard-Triumph in the US? >> >> Just a thought. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Jim >> Dallas >> >> >> >> FOT list >> >> Thank you for all of the responses so far. There is a method in this >> madness. >> >> Without laborious tabulating a couple of tracks rise to the surface. >> >> Infineon & Mosport >> >> But that only part of the decision tree. The venue and sanctioning body >> have to want us...and ideally we want them, too. >> >> Infineon is already locked into a MG event for 2011 and there are other >> obstacles with them as a sanctioning body to be overcome. >> >> Using a little logic and common sense the South West is the targeted area >> for the next Kastner Cup. >> >> Your answers are VALUABLE as the data will be considered for the 2012 >> Kastner Cup which is also The 60th Anniversary of Triumphs in Competition. >> >> As soon as we settle the question on 2011, the 60th will be addressed >> because I figure it will take 18-24 months to pull that one off. You dont >> think so? We have one sanctioning body already knocking on our door for an >> answer. >> They want to make it a big and memorable event. >> >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> >> Keep those responses coming....they are important. If you are REALLY on >> this list, we should hear from you. 2012 is the BIG ONE >> >> Joe A >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/koblinger at verizon.net > > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15460) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Mon Jul 19 21:30:54 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 20:30:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: To all: Joe tells me that the voice of the people support doing the next Kastner Cup at Laguna Seca in June. I'll continue my discussions with Cris Vandagriff and firm up the details. Apparently, not all the events at Laguna Seca are sound controlled and this is not one of them. As further news becomes available either Joe or I will let you know. We will discuss this further at Kansas I'm sure. On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 8:01 AM, wrote: > FOT, > > Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! > > FOT at Leguna Seca? > > If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would > you > > RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? > > If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with > negotiations. > > YES or NO is all the answer we need. > > Storied Track with great history. > Non-Festival event with track time. > Good time of the year for a lot of folks. > Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 19 21:29:39 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:29:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park ENTRIES Guests and T-SHIRTS, AND MORE Message-ID: <8CCF5D2EB6A8C90-D88-62AF@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Entries are piling in according to reports. I am pleased to announce that the TRIUMPHS are holding up their end with entries. With so many special activities going on, it would make sense for the FOT members to join us for the joy of it, even though you may not be racing. Several ARE coming. It's really about ALL of us. We are front row center this weekend. You Triumph guys will be the stars. And VTR will be well represented with President Blake Discher and other members. BTW, Greg Hilyer has done a great job of honoring Sam Halkias' Champ Car and the FOT with a T-SHIRT. This one is a keeper and can be signed by Kas and Sam. Get yours....... You can also get your picture taken with the semi-famous bagpiper Dave Massey........................................ Joe A From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jul 19 21:40:17 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:40:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2012 In-Reply-To: References: <1216.189.154.17.161.1279245792.squirrel@189.154.17.161> Message-ID: <4C451AA1.2060807@bradakis.com> michael cook wrote: > > I know for a fact that TR2s were being raced in 1954/55 in SCCA events at > places like Akron and Lockbourne AFB in Ohio because I was there. Jarrard > Distributors in Pensacola ran TRs at Sebring in 56, I believe and there were > official teams in '57 and later. > > I'm just guessing here, I was born in '54 so have no first hand experience. I wouldn't be surprised if there was one TR2, maybe more, running at Airport #2 here in Salt Lake back in the days when Kas was roaring around the track in his MG. Back when I was the Road Race Director for the Utah Region and a significant anniversary date was coming up I starting checking into running a race again at Airport #2 - Fat Chance! I think even an act of Congress would not be sufficient to get a sports car race there again. So it goes. mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 19 21:41:52 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:41:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF56A6B9ECCF0-E78-22E47@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CCF5D4A08569F0-D88-6417@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> OUTSTANDING! Thanks John. I think we can do well by HMSA and they by us. We should represent a great draw at the gate with the west coast Triumph organizations, too. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: John Nikas To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] FINAL ANSWER-SIMPLE QUESTION-2011 KASTNER CUP=LEGUNA SECA To all: Joe tells me that the voice of the people support doing the next Kastner Cup at Laguna Seca in June. I'll continue my discussions with Cris Vandagriff and firm up the details. Apparently, not all the events at Laguna Seca are sound controlled and this is not one of them. As further news becomes available either Joe or I will let you know. We will discuss this further at Kansas I'm sure. On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 8:01 AM, wrote: FOT, Forget the other polls.....this is the one...! FOT at Leguna Seca? If you could plan to attend the next Kastner Cup in the West (2011) would you RUN AT LEGUNA SECA IN JUNE WITH HMSA? If we have enough support for this proposal, we will proceed with negotiations. YES or NO is all the answer we need. Storied Track with great history. Non-Festival event with track time. Good time of the year for a lot of folks. Once in a lifetime opportunity, likely. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Jul 20 05:11:21 2010 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 07:11:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rainex or wipers References: <20100628.135949.11153.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98E1D5055CE@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> <4C424860.9050900@141.com> Message-ID: <001201cb27fc$49984970$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all, I use something called Plexus. It's a plastic cleaner and sealer. Works great on my windshield too. I used it at work on Isolettes, where Preemies are cared for. Just ventilate the area well when done and don't inhale the fumes. The windshield washer solvent with Rainex works great too; I usually don't use my wipers in the rain after using it. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Rainex or wipers > Hi Bill! > > If this will be a street car and you decide on a glass windshield, I > would say keep the wipers. There are situations where you are driving > slowly in light rain, it may mist heavily or cars in front of you may > throw up dirty water from the road where Rain-X will not work. You will > be very happy for wipers, then. > > I do not know how Rain-X interacts with Lexan. It is made for glass, and > I don't think it would work so well (it is designed to fill the "pores" > in the glass with small molecules). > > Just my 47.7 cents (adjusted for inflation). > > Keep Triumphing, > Susan :) > > > On 7/17/2010 7:40 PM, Bill Bartlett wrote: > > Hi Amici, > > Its been awhile since I have been on the list. (in fact I see I am now 10,360 > > emails behind from the MG gang, FOT, and the lunatics in the Lotus Europa > > yahoo group that email every time they put an ounce of gas in the car. (hope > > I am not offending anyone :) )) > > The query of the day is: I am rebuilding a GT6 and am welding up holes all > > over the old girl. Now I have come to the wiper holes below the windscreen, > > and I wonder is it better to carry the weight of the wipers and motor or use > > Rainex and no wipers and no weight (and of course a nice clean deck look)? > > I also plan to use a lexan windscreen to help keep the weight off the front > > heavy nose too. > > Thank you for your thoughts > > Bill B > > 69 GT6+ > > > > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billbartlett at wingnutracing.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.839 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3011 - Release Date: 07/17/10 02:35:00 > > > > > > -- > I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin3 at verizon.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 20 06:47:32 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 08:47:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSES IN RECENT POLLING-A SUMMARY Message-ID: <8CCF620DB31F3DC-D88-9646@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Thanks! A lot of information has been gathered. Everyone's response counts. Kastner Cup 2010 HEARTLAND PARK I think we have established that 'east' and 'west' are relative terms. And that the Central States deserve to be represented. We are bringing several first timerTRIUMPH RACERS and Friends together for the Kastner Cup...and we should. And WE are the race, not just another support group to a big festival event. Kastner Cup 2011 Laguna Seca ?? Laguna Seca (HMSA) is clearly a popular choice and John Nikas has a great deal of encouragement and support. While not cast in stone, it appears very promising. There are still a couple of other choices out there, both in the west. Kastner Cup 2012 60th Anniverary of Triumphs in Competition 'EAST' ? The information collected in the 'polls' will be used to help make a selection of the ideal site for this important event. Planning is already underway. Make no mistake, this will be a big one. We should have some proposals on the table by September. Thanks, once again..... Joe A From fpspitfire at comcast.net Tue Jul 20 07:31:37 2010 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:31:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Rainex or wipers In-Reply-To: <001201cb27fc$49984970$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <737656194.268729.1279632697256.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> All, Extended use of Rain-X will cause problems with lexan...noteably it does attack the micropores and will eventually you will get little dots all over the surface where it opens them up.B RainX does not recommend their product for use with polycarbonates. As for fog...use dish soap, works amazing and no harmul effects. aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" To: "Susan Kahler" , fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 6:11:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Rainex or wipers B B Hi all, I use something called Plexus. It's a plastic cleaner and sealer. Works great on my windshield too. B B I used it at work on Isolettes, where Preemies are cared for. Just ventilate the area well when done B and don't inhale the fumes. B B The windshield washer solvent with Rainex works great too; I usually don't use my wipers in the rain after using it. B B Bill ----- Original Message ----- B B From: "Susan Kahler" B B To: B B Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:18 PM B B Subject: Re: [Fot] Rainex or wipers B B > Hi Bill! B B > B B > If this will be a street car and you decide on a glass windshield, I B B > would say keep the wipers. There are situations where you are driving B B > slowly in light rain, it may mist heavily or cars in front of you may B B > throw up dirty water from the road where Rain-X will not work. You will B B > be very happy for wipers, then. B B > B B > I do not know how Rain-X interacts with Lexan. It is made for glass, and B B > I don't think it would work so well (it is designed to fill the "pores" B B > in the glass with small molecules). B B > B B > Just my 47.7 cents (adjusted for inflation). B B > B B > Keep Triumphing, B B > Susan B B :) B B > From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Tue Jul 20 13:14:14 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:14:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T-shirt & shipping Message-ID: <0F7B5166-4DDD-42F3-8803-3C739753F4BE@earthlink.net> Hello all, Shipping for the event shirts will be $3.50. That makes S-XL $16 and 2X-5X $17.25 or pick them up at the track. Shirt front: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/Picture%201.png Shirt back: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/KastnerBackUse.jpg Sizes S - XL are $12.50 ea. + $1.25 for 2X-5X Full color silk screen on a100% cotton white tee. Be sure to specify the size[s] with your payment. Payment via PayPal to: lunkercars at earthlink.net Send checks to: Lunkercars 323-K Claremont Ave NW Albuquerque NM 87107 If paying by check, please also send me a e-mail so I know the numbers. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Jul 20 16:20:57 2010 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 22:20:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Message-ID: <1594066114.174429.1279664457053.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> For anyone who wants a look at the Laguna Seca racetrack configuration from a riders point of view, watch the MotoGP this weekend (July 25). It'll be broadcast on SpeedTV on Sunday at 2:00pm (Pacific Time). Obviously you won't want to duplicate the lean angles these riders obtain but the on-camera views will be something. Gary From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Tue Jul 20 17:35:54 2010 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:35:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates Message-ID: <412213670D9F44CEB4F3371D0EDA04AD@userb38463fba5> List, what is the collective wisdom on using the 2 locking plates when assembling a TR 4 flywheel to the crank? Use them or use Locktite instead of them. Both? A warm street engine. Thanks, JVV From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 20 20:30:31 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 22:30:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CCF693D30130C7-1248-12E85@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> This is terrific! See you in Topeka. -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jul 19, 2010 9:33 am Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing Greetings All. Took my new GT6 Racecar out for the first time this weekend. It was the ars first racing outing in 15 years. I had fellow FOT member Scott Barr as y instructor which was totally awesome. between him, my dad and John eed... my crew of three had over 50 years of GT6 racing experience behind hem and it really showed. We took a car that had not seen a track in 15 ears and were right there racing with porches, Miatas and ahead many very ast cars. We made all but one of the 8 sessions of a very intense MCSCC rivers School and completed 49 high speed laps. In one day of racing e overcame a water leak, brake replacement, oil leak, a throttle eddle stuck behind the tunnel cover, and normal race prep. On the last ession the rear end got so hot it melted all the bushings that hold it in lace... the bushings were actually liquefied and dripping to the ground hen I got back to the paddock... which prevented us from racing again on unday. I'll be replacing the rear end tonight so we can go racing this eekend at Grattan. I don't post much but FOT list and archive has been a ery valuable resource in getting this car back on the track... Thanks to LL of FOT for being there with you knowledge and insight. This weekend was big victory for me and FOT. We are on the road to the Kastner Cup. Jason Ostrowski riendly Ghost Racing GT6+ ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jul 20 22:49:39 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:49:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <412213670D9F44CEB4F3371D0EDA04AD@userb38463fba5> References: <412213670D9F44CEB4F3371D0EDA04AD@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: <20100721044859.8251518764A@autox.team.net> Ditch the plates and just use locktite. Make sure the bolts don't interfere with the block since they won't have the thickness of the plates under them. ARP bolts for an MGB will work nicely in our flywheels, but you have to grind a little off the end or they interfere with the aluminum seal housing. The plates aren't very hard steel and can cause more problems than they solve. - Tony Drews At 06:35 PM 7/20/2010, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: >List, what is the collective wisdom on using the 2 locking plates when >assembling a TR 4 flywheel to the crank? Use them or use Locktite instead of >them. Both? > >A warm street engine. > >Thanks, > >JVV >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed Jul 21 02:14:53 2010 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 01:14:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Jerry Van Vlack" Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > Lock tabs are made of soft material. The steel of the lock tab can and > sometimes will compress where it is squeezed between the bolt head and the > fly wheel. The clamping tension of the bolt on the flywheel is then > reduced. The effect is as if the bolt had loosened, without it having done > so. This occurred on my own Morgan, with a TR-4 engine, when the car was > about 16,000 miles from new. It manifested itself as a rattle when the > engine was gently revved from idle. The noise sounded like it was coming > from within the timing cover, but it was noise transferring down the > crankshaft from the rear of the engine. The bolt were found to be "loose". > They were not stretched and the lock tabs were still bent over and locking > the bolt heads. Since then, (1966) I have used high strength loctite and > no washer on an iron flywheel or metric "wave washer" style lock washers, > which are hardened steel, on alloy flywheels. On high performance engines > we use bolts that are harder and higher strength than the original "auto" > bolts. The best standard bolts were labled "BEES" on the head. We have > only had one "tractor motor" flywheel ever come loose since, and it was > full race engine. The driver had been revinig the engine to near 8,000 > rpm coming down the switchbacks on the backside of the Pittsburg Vintage > GP where he had not wanted to upshift and then immediately down shift into > 1'st gear for the next hairpin corner.. The failure did not occur that > weekend, but the next race weekend where we found the front generator end > frame lower ear broken off, then shortly thereafter all 4 ARP flywheel > bolts sheared and the flywheel lost its attachment to the flywheel > completely. The dowel pin also was sheared off.. There is obviously a > resonant frequency somewhere north of 7600 rpm that was inducing these > failures. We normally insist that drivers keep the revs on a full race > engine with steel rods, crank, alloy flywheel, light pistons, etc.below > 7200 rpm which has been safe and reliable in a engine properly assembled > with all of the correct necessary parts. > > Regards, > > Greg Solow > > The Engine Room > > Santa Cruz, Ca. 95060 > > 831 429-1800 From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed Jul 21 02:36:59 2010 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 01:36:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: gt-6 initial run Message-ID: <3E8CAF128C004EA4A76018DA00F71DE1@your89d26e0447> ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Solow To: jason at multivintage.com ; Friends of Triumph Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:32 AM Subject: gt-6 initial run Congratulations! Sounds like a good start. You should look into a better lubricant or possible a pump and an oil cooler for the differential oil. Overfilling the diff by about 1/2 pint of gear oil may also help.. We normally use Chevron "Delo" special Heavy Duty gear lubes with great success. I under stand that they were developed for use in the Nissan IMSA GTP cars which were having reliability issues. I was told that switching to the Delo oil fixed the problems the team was having. Maybe Kas can add something to this information. We often add a gear oil additive made by "lubguard" It comes in a yellow bottle and is labled "gear oil supplement" It is an extreme pressure additive that also adds slipperiness to the oil. So it should not be used in a "clutch type" limited slip diff. as it will likely make the clutches slip! The differential should not be getting hotter than 130 to 140 degrees, in my opinion. Hot to the touch is ok, burn your hand on the diff hot is not ok. Regards, Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed Jul 21 02:32:45 2010 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 01:32:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] gt-6 initial run Message-ID: <935A64165BF74CA8A8DBF3B8A72055A4@your89d26e0447> Congratulations! Sounds like a good start. You should look into a better lubricant or possible a pump and an oil cooler for the differential oil. Overfilling the diff by about 1/2 pint of gear oil may also help.. We normally use Chevron "Delos" special Heavy Duty gear lubes with great success. I under stand that they were developed for use in the Nissan IMSA GTP cars which were having reliability issues. I was told that switching to the Delo oil fixed the problems the team was having. Maybe Kas can add something to this information. We often add a gear oil additive made by "lubguard" It comes in a yellow bottle and is labled "gear oil supplement" It is an extreme pressure additive that also adds slipperiness to the oil. So it should not be used in a "clutch type" limited slip diff. as it will likely make the clutches slip! The differential should not be getting hotter than 130 to 140 degrees, in my opinion. Hot to the touch is ok, burn your hand on the diff hot is not ok. Regards, Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Jul 21 06:17:10 2010 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 08:17:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing In-Reply-To: <8CCF693D30130C7-1248-12E85@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCF693D30130C7-1248-12E85@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <59E4B3D3-9121-4780-B825-0101D54BE94F@comcast.net> Not sure if you have a limited slip or stock or what. My GT6 has a welded rear - I run Red Line Differential oil. No temperature issues whatsoever. Sounds to me like there was some sort of problem that caused this. From: Jason Ostrowski To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jul 19, 2010 9:33 am Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jul 21 08:05:01 2010 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 09:05:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing In-Reply-To: <59E4B3D3-9121-4780-B825-0101D54BE94F@comcast.net> References: <8CCF693D30130C7-1248-12E85@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> <59E4B3D3-9121-4780-B825-0101D54BE94F@comcast.net> Message-ID: Took the poor old stinky rear end out and took a peek at it last night, it was a "locker" as well. I was using redline synthetic gear lube as well. The pinion gear had a major chunk come off an little bits of metal were floating around with the oil. So, I did find the problem, But I'm not sure exactly why it happened. Nothing really happened that should have caused that but as we say often in racing...SH** HAPPENS.... Nonetheless I was unfortunately "Beaten by Equipment" Hope the spare holds up longer. I used a about 3/4 of the Quart of Redline synthetic 75w90 gear lube. and put it in...Not the easiest job I've ever done. It took quite a while. On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > Not sure if you have a limited slip or stock or what. My GT6 has a welded > rear - I run Red Line Differential oil. No temperature issues whatsoever. > Sounds to me like there was some sort of problem that caused this. > > > From: Jason Ostrowski > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, Jul 19, 2010 9:33 am > Subject: [Fot] FOT GT6 Goes Racing From harmug at us.ibm.com Wed Jul 21 12:51:19 2010 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:51:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Chain tensioner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Does anyone have a better solution to the crappy timing chain tensioner in a Spitfire engine? My race car broke another one and while they're cheap enough, it's a PITA. Seems to me there could be something mounted through the cover to do the job better. thanks mike 63 Spitfire From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Jul 21 16:09:33 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:09:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates References: Message-ID: The note about breaking the lower ear of the generator hit home. I had a Lucas alternator housing break at Watkins Glen. I had to force myself to shift earlier myself coming out of the toe of the boot after my tach told me I'd hit 8,100. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 3:14 AM Subject: [Fot] Fw: Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Solow" > To: "Jerry Van Vlack" > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:11 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > > >> Lock tabs are made of soft material. The steel of the lock tab can and >> sometimes will compress where it is squeezed between the bolt head and >> the fly wheel. The clamping tension of the bolt on the flywheel is then >> reduced. The effect is as if the bolt had loosened, without it having >> done so. This occurred on my own Morgan, with a TR-4 engine, when the car >> was about 16,000 miles from new. It manifested itself as a rattle when >> the engine was gently revved from idle. The noise sounded like it was >> coming from within the timing cover, but it was noise transferring down >> the crankshaft from the rear of the engine. The bolt were found to be >> "loose". They were not stretched and the lock tabs were still bent over >> and locking the bolt heads. Since then, (1966) I have used high strength >> loctite and no washer on an iron flywheel or metric "wave washer" style >> lock washers, which are hardened steel, on alloy flywheels. On high >> performance engines we use bolts that are harder and higher strength than >> the original "auto" bolts. The best standard bolts were labled "BEES" on >> the head. We have only had one "tractor motor" flywheel ever come loose >> since, and it was full race engine. The driver had been revinig the >> engine to near 8,000 rpm coming down the switchbacks on the backside of >> the Pittsburg Vintage GP where he had not wanted to upshift and then >> immediately down shift into 1'st gear for the next hairpin corner.. The >> failure did not occur that weekend, but the next race weekend where we >> found the front generator end frame lower ear broken off, then shortly >> thereafter all 4 ARP flywheel bolts sheared and the flywheel lost its >> attachment to the flywheel completely. The dowel pin also was sheared >> off.. There is obviously a resonant frequency somewhere north of 7600 rpm >> that was inducing these failures. We normally insist that drivers keep >> the revs on a full race engine with steel rods, crank, alloy flywheel, >> light pistons, etc.below 7200 rpm which has been safe and reliable in a >> engine properly assembled with all of the correct necessary parts. >> >> Regards, >> >> Greg Solow >> >> The Engine Room >> >> Santa Cruz, Ca. 95060 >> >> 831 429-1800 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 21 17:58:36 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 19:58:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Record number of TR4 entries.....at HEARTLAND PARK in August Message-ID: <8CCF747C4D84B0E-4940-516E@Webmail-m112.sysops.aol.com> So far there are an amazing number of TR4s entered and more expected. FOURTEEN so far. Two of them will be Kas' 12 Hours of Sebring cars. Will all of them be chasing a TR6 'rabbit' in National Champ Sam Halkias in his vintage prepared TR6? This is going to be cool. From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Jul 21 19:21:58 2010 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:21:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates Message-ID: <47A4E5976D6548F99C67C035427B603A@userb38463fba5> All of the responses said to drop the tabs. I'll listen to the wisdom. I'll be using the blue Locktight only with no tabs. Bob if my engine ever hits 8,100 it'll look like your old one did at Mosport. Thanks folks JVV > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Kramer" > To: "Greg Solow" ; "Friends of Triumph" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > > >> The note about breaking the lower ear of the generator hit home. I had a >> Lucas alternator housing break at Watkins Glen. I had to force myself to >> shift earlier myself coming out of the toe of the boot after my tach told >> me I'd hit 8,100. >> >> Bob Kramer >> Volente, TX >> >> Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch >> excellence. >> Vince Lombardi From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Jul 21 21:06:25 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 22:06:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates References: <47A4E5976D6548F99C67C035427B603A@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: I've upgraded to a Moldex and Carillo's so I hope to stay out of that kind of trouble again. The BFE camshaft wanted to go there..... Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: "Jerry Van Vlack" ; "Bob Kramer" ; "Greg Solow" ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > > > > All of the responses said to drop the tabs. I'll listen to the wisdom. > I'll > be using the blue Locktight only with no tabs. > Bob if my engine ever hits 8,100 it'll look like your old one did at > Mosport. > Thanks folks > JVV >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob Kramer" >> To: "Greg Solow" ; "Friends of Triumph" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates >> >> >>> The note about breaking the lower ear of the generator hit home. I had a >>> Lucas alternator housing break at Watkins Glen. I had to force myself to >>> shift earlier myself coming out of the toe of the boot after my tach >>> told me I'd hit 8,100. >>> >>> Bob Kramer >>> Volente, TX >>> >>> Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch >>> excellence. >>> Vince Lombardi From WEmery7451 at aol.com Thu Jul 22 10:47:52 2010 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:47:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates Message-ID: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com> In a message dated 7/20/10 5:00:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jerryvv at roadrunner.com writes: << List, what is the collective wisdom on using the 2 locking plates when assembling a TR 4 flywheel to the crank? Use them or use Locktite instead of them. Both? >> Forget the Locktite. It may be OK for the first assembly. If you have to assemble the components again, it is almost impossible to clean out all of the old Locktite. You could therefore get some false torque readings. Use the locking plates, put a drop of mineral oil on the bolt threads, and torque to specifications. There is some evidence that tying the two bolts together with the locking plates gives a little added strength. You might also want to have two dial pins made long enough to be flush with the outer surface of the flywheel. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jul 22 13:32:10 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 21:32:10 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com> References: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com> Message-ID: <000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com> Gasket remover will clean the bolts and holes from old Loctite. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von WEmery7451 at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Juli 2010 18:48 An: jerryvv at roadrunner.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In a message dated 7/20/10 5:00:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jerryvv at roadrunner.com writes: << List, what is the collective wisdom on using the 2 locking plates when assembling a TR 4 flywheel to the crank? Use them or use Locktite instead of them. Both? >> Forget the Locktite. It may be OK for the first assembly. If you have to assemble the components again, it is almost impossible to clean out all of the old Locktite. You could therefore get some false torque readings. Use the locking plates, put a drop of mineral oil on the bolt threads, and torque to specifications. There is some evidence that tying the two bolts together with the locking plates gives a little added strength. You might also want to have two dial pins made long enough to be flush with the outer surface of the flywheel. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Jul 22 15:39:09 2010 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:39:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com> References: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com> <000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com> Message-ID: <001601cb29e6$52b08c70$f811a550$@com> Thanks Chris, I've been using lacquer thinner and a brass gun cleaning brush on a drill along with dental picks to clean the Loctite out of the threads. I'll try the gasket remover next time. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:32 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates Gasket remover will clean the bolts and holes from old Loctite. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von WEmery7451 at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Juli 2010 18:48 An: jerryvv at roadrunner.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In a message dated 7/20/10 5:00:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jerryvv at roadrunner.com writes: << List, what is the collective wisdom on using the 2 locking plates when assembling a TR 4 flywheel to the crank? Use them or use Locktite instead of them. Both? >> Forget the Locktite. It may be OK for the first assembly. If you have to assemble the components again, it is almost impossible to clean out all of the old Locktite. You could therefore get some false torque readings. Use the locking plates, put a drop of mineral oil on the bolt threads, and torque to specifications. There is some evidence that tying the two bolts together with the locking plates gives a little added strength. You might also want to have two dial pins made long enough to be flush with the outer surface of the flywheel. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu Jul 22 17:01:00 2010 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:01:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates References: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com><000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com> <001601cb29e6$52b08c70$f811a550$@com> Message-ID: <6DF1B2CAB8214903A6C5804D7C924460@userb38463fba5> Lacquer thinner seems to clean anything but it's rough on the skin. That's what I was going to use. Gasket cleaner may well be Lacquer thinner as I've used thinner to clean gasket surfaces and it works well. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'MadMarx'" ; Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > Thanks Chris, I've been using lacquer thinner and a brass gun cleaning > brush > on a drill along with dental picks to clean the Loctite out of the > threads. > I'll try the gasket remover next time. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:32 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > > Gasket remover will clean the bolts and holes from old Loctite. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von WEmery7451 at aol.com > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Juli 2010 18:48 > An: jerryvv at roadrunner.com; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates From spitlist at cox.net Thu Jul 22 18:17:29 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:17:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <6DF1B2CAB8214903A6C5804D7C924460@userb38463fba5> References: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com><000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com><001601cb29e6$52b08c70$f811a550$@com> <6DF1B2CAB8214903A6C5804D7C924460@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: <989EF3C0E5B44DC99E89932FDDBA4C3F@joepentiumnew> I just discovered that Paint prep cleaner (such as Acryli-Clean) works well for getting gasket sealer off. I discovered this due to finding that a bottle of Permatex Gasket sealer turned over in my toolbox leaving a real mess. I scraped off the bulk of it but was able to dissolve the remainder with that solvent without causing ill effects to my skin. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 4:01 PM To: Tim Murphy; 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates Lacquer thinner seems to clean anything but it's rough on the skin. That's what I was going to use. Gasket cleaner may well be Lacquer thinner as I've used thinner to clean gasket surfaces and it works well. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'MadMarx'" ; Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > Thanks Chris, I've been using lacquer thinner and a brass gun cleaning > brush > on a drill along with dental picks to clean the Loctite out of the > threads. > I'll try the gasket remover next time. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:32 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > > Gasket remover will clean the bolts and holes from old Loctite. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von WEmery7451 at aol.com > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Juli 2010 18:48 > An: jerryvv at roadrunner.com; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Thu Jul 22 19:21:18 2010 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 21:21:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <001601cb29e6$52b08c70$f811a550$@com> References: <001601cb29e6$52b08c70$f811a550$@com> Message-ID: <4C48EE8E.1020904@twcny.rr.com> I just run a tap thru and Bob's your Uncle. No fuss no muss... Grind off the tip of an old one for bottom end applications. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jul 22 22:13:48 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 21:13:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <6DF1B2CAB8214903A6C5804D7C924460@userb38463fba5> References: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com><000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com><001601cb29e6$52b08c70$f811a550$@com> <6DF1B2CAB8214903A6C5804D7C924460@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: <2513E5D508D448FC84893E409FD4888D@Meislaptop> > Gasket cleaner may well be Lacquer thinner The Loctite "gasket remover" I have does not appear to be lacquer thinner. It's thicker for one thing, and foams slightly on the surface. Very effective, but somewhat slow as it seems to take several minutes to soften the surface and then has to be reapplied to remove the next layer. But so far it has removed everything I've tried it on, including RTV, old hardened Permatex, Hylomar, etc. Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jul 23 01:15:47 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:15:47 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <989EF3C0E5B44DC99E89932FDDBA4C3F@joepentiumnew> References: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com><000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com><001601cb29e6$52b08c70$f811a550$@com> <6DF1B2CAB8214903A6C5804D7C924460@userb38463fba5> <989EF3C0E5B44DC99E89932FDDBA4C3F@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <001301cb2a36$e23d7470$a6b85d50$@com> We call this silicon remover which you use for cleaning a surface before starting the paint job. It does remove sticker glue also very nicely. But it is not rough to paint. I'm not sure if it does remove Loctite out of a thread. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juli 2010 02:17 An: 'Jerry Van Vlack'; 'Tim Murphy'; 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates I just discovered that Paint prep cleaner (such as Acryli-Clean) works well for getting gasket sealer off. I discovered this due to finding that a bottle of Permatex Gasket sealer turned over in my toolbox leaving a real mess. I scraped off the bulk of it but was able to dissolve the remainder with that solvent without causing ill effects to my skin. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 4:01 PM To: Tim Murphy; 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates Lacquer thinner seems to clean anything but it's rough on the skin. That's what I was going to use. Gasket cleaner may well be Lacquer thinner as I've used thinner to clean gasket surfaces and it works well. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'MadMarx'" ; Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > Thanks Chris, I've been using lacquer thinner and a brass gun cleaning > brush > on a drill along with dental picks to clean the Loctite out of the > threads. > I'll try the gasket remover next time. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:32 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates > > Gasket remover will clean the bolts and holes from old Loctite. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von WEmery7451 at aol.com > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Juli 2010 18:48 > An: jerryvv at roadrunner.com; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jul 23 01:20:30 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:20:30 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <4C48EE8E.1020904@twcny.rr.com> References: <001601cb29e6$52b08c70$f811a550$@com> <4C48EE8E.1020904@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <001401cb2a37$893bda00$9bb38e00$@com> But it might wear out the threads after several use. I made a cleaning bolt once but I don't use it anymore. I took a bolt and cut notches along the thread like on a tap. I run the bolt into the hole and the in the notches the dirt is collected. It is more easy on the threads than a tap. But in my case gasket remover does it well. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mark Eginton Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juli 2010 03:21 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates I just run a tap thru and Bob's your Uncle. No fuss no muss... Grind off the tip of an old one for bottom end applications. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Jul 23 07:12:19 2010 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:12:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] vacum port Message-ID: <269E8612EACF4981B2F481D390123A02@INSPIRON> I am trying to plug the vacuum port on the Webber manifold. I have run around trying to match the thread with out any luck. Does anyone know the size and thread pitch thanks rob From mediehljr at yahoo.com Fri Jul 23 08:24:40 2010 From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 07:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In-Reply-To: <000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com> References: <57fcb.3254870e.3979d038@aol.com> <000901cb29d4$96ca5880$c45f0980$@com> Message-ID: <705833.29957.qm@web51906.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I would surely recommend locktite over the plates. After many years running a Spit in SCCA GP, I also found that drilling for additional dowel pins will keep the flywheel on much better. Cheers, Ed. Ed Diehl ----- Original Message ---- From: MadMarx To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 3:32:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates Gasket remover will clean the bolts and holes from old Loctite. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von WEmery7451 at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Juli 2010 18:48 An: jerryvv at roadrunner.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Flywheel Bolt Locking Plates In a message dated 7/20/10 5:00:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jerryvv at roadrunner.com writes: << List, what is the collective wisdom on using the 2 locking plates when assembling a TR 4 flywheel to the crank? Use them or use Locktite instead of them. Both? >> Forget the Locktite. It may be OK for the first assembly. If you have to assemble the components again, it is almost impossible to clean out all of the old Locktite. You could therefore get some false torque readings. Use the locking plates, put a drop of mineral oil on the bolt threads, and torque to specifications. There is some evidence that tying the two bolts together with the locking plates gives a little added strength. You might also want to have two dial pins made long enough to be flush with the outer surface of the flywheel. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mediehljr at yahoo.com From riverside at southslope.net Fri Jul 23 10:33:35 2010 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:33:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] historical document Message-ID: <000801cb2a84$cc950900$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Does anyone have a copy of the '66 June Sprints entry list? an e-mailed to me image is all i need. Thanks! art de armond From vintage.racer at comcast.net Fri Jul 23 11:51:21 2010 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Water Temp Gauge Message-ID: <2067031878.319516.1279907481360.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello All: I'm in need of an electrical water temp gauge and/or a mechanical version (gauge, capillary, sensor) in good working order for my 69 TR6. Anyone have a spare they'd like to sell? Thanks. Gary From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Jul 24 01:20:37 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 00:20:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] vacum port In-Reply-To: <269E8612EACF4981B2F481D390123A02@INSPIRON> References: <269E8612EACF4981B2F481D390123A02@INSPIRON> Message-ID: <41A4E74EF2974F4490C2F51011CA1D85@Meislaptop> > I am trying to plug the vacuum port on the Webber manifold. > Does anyone know the size > and thread pitch I don't; but a trick I have found helpful is to whittle a piece of wood to roughly the right diameter and screw it into the hole. When you unscrew it, the marks left by the threads will be readily visible, so you can match them to a bolt or thread gauge. Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jul 24 15:59:16 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 23:59:16 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com> <000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com> Message-ID: <001001cb2b7b$770d8e60$6528ab20$@com> A trackday on the Nordschleife: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5mYIz4V01w From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 25 03:30:20 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 11:30:20 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <7237E55F-8D5B-457F-BB4A-89745DB63D5A@earthlink.net> References: <001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com> <000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com> <001001cb2b7b$770d8e60$6528ab20$@com> <7237E55F-8D5B-457F-BB4A-89745DB63D5A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001cb2bdc$014bb790$03e326b0$@com> I planned to bring a helmet to the ring for passengers but it seems that my wife gave my spare helmet to the trash bin in the past. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Steven Belfer [mailto:colordog.1 at earthlink.net] Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. Juli 2010 05:41 An: MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife Wow, that looks like fun! Shouldn't your passenger be wearing a helmet? ~Steve On Jul 24, 2010, at 2:59 PM, MadMarx wrote: A trackday on the Nordschleife: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5mYIz4V01w _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Jul 25 05:48:21 2010 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 07:48:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 & beyond Message-ID: <2d397.68cc8dc1.397d7e85@aol.com> Amen, Cary, Moss has already pulled much, if not all of their support for Buttonwillow and despite the great racing, great parties, and all the hoopla, like the Group 44 deal, both Moss and we at CMS are quite disapointed with the FOT participation at our Classic Motorsports Mitty event. Maybe I need to go race a Porsche. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 P.S. I was kidding about the Porsche. In a message dated 7/16/10 11:59:56 AM, Group44TR7 at aol.com writes: > Tim > > I appreciate all that you have attempted to do for Triumph owners > and in particular, the Triumph racing community. When it comes to the 60th > reunion that FOT selection should take into account your past and current > support. > > I felt particularly bad that I was unable to support your efforts > to get the Group 44 cars together because of all that you have done. > Unfortunately, the same considerations and constraints will probably keep me > from particpating in the 60th reunion if it was held at Mitty. > > Fot Members > > Similarly, Moss has in past sponsored a spring event at > Buttonwillow. I do not remember that event being an "official" annual FOT event, but > it seems like we are not supporting a vendor who is supporting us. Maybe > something can be worked out with Moss about an annual west coast event > (although I really do not like Buttonwillow) > > In the end, if we do not support those who are supporting us, > then we will lose their support. > > Thanks for listening - Cary > > > > > > From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Jul 25 05:51:06 2010 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 07:51:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP (now rules in the Southeast) Message-ID: <2d470.3a54273d.397d7f2a@aol.com> I still run 5.5" Panasports and Hoosier Speedsters in the Southeast and run towards the front. Unlike a lot of cars, I have no rack and pinion steering either. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 In my tour around the country the place I found the most modern triumph rubber in the southeast. Most of the folks in the NW run SOVERN vintage rules, which means 6" rims and treaded tires. For TR3 that means bias ply 70 series, so it's vintage TDs. I'm supposed to run those, but I generally run Hoosier Speedsters. If you run HMSA or General Racing it's Dunlop L series in 5.50 X 15. A far cry from the slicks everyone was on in the Southeast. On Jul 16, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Bob Adams wrote: From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Jul 25 05:56:47 2010 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 07:56:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] VENUE PROPOSALS FOR KASTNER CUP-2011 IMPORTANT FOR DECISION MAKING Message-ID: <2d637.3de0241c.397d807f@aol.com> Conceptually I agree, but have found some fun lesser tracks like Hutchinson Island in Savannah, Hallet when I ran with you guys and Gingerman are a lot of fun. Was at VIR this weekend and it and Mid Ohio are still two of my favorites. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 Amen, brother. I discovered on my long tour (www.allaluminumtour.com) that most historic tracks are also great tracks. And most of the ones you never heard of are not. The best you can say about the modern tracks is that they are "interesting". Would I rather go to Sears or Thunderhill. No contest. A great track has places to pass, challenging corners, places to go fast, and requires technique, tactics and strategy. I spent some time thinking about this once and decided why I like Portland International Raceway even though there are no elevation changes (which I generally consider critical). It's because you need a strategy for each opponent based on the relative strengths and weaknesses of their car and yours. You can be a second slower at PIR and win with a superior strategy. Been there, done exactly that. Limerock--historically significant but kind of boring. Watkins Glen--separates the sheep from the goats (according to Tony Garmey). Road America--where am I? Fast and interesting. Road Atlanta--incredibly varied and some fine passing places. Sears--Awesome, great passing spots, fast and tricky. Laguna -- some nice corners, the corkscrew is fun and turn nine is a challenge, but not in the same league as Sears. VIR--fiddly, but fun. Mosport--oh my god. What were they thinking. On Jul 15, 2010, at 8:00 AM, Bob Adams wrote: > I think you're going to have trouble getting people to justify a long tow to > a non historical track, especially for the racers back east who have tracks > like Road Atlanta, VIR, Lime Rock,and Watkins Glen, and a lot of really good > "B" tracks like NJMP, Mid Ohio, Summit Point, Beaverun, and Roebling Road at > their disposal. > > No offense to anyone, but I don't think people are super excited at the idea > of towing two days to tracks like Topeka and TWS. > > Just look at the turnout at Watkins Glen in 2008 and the caliber of cars > that showed up vs some of the other Triumph gatherings. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grmtim at aol.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 25 08:40:28 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:40:28 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife References: <001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com> <000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com> Message-ID: <000001cb2c07$5590d760$00b28620$@com> A trackday on the Nordschleife: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5mYIz4V01w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZSBn39OJ_M From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Jul 25 09:46:04 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 09:46:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Last minute rebuild before Topeka Message-ID: Greetings FoT The worst case scenario has happened. I raced ppir two weeks ago and my head gasket blew. I caught it pretty quick and inspection of the rod & main bearings Showed no damage to the crank. The bearings were just beginning to score. The nitriding had paid off. Unfortunately when I tore the motor down I found all the pistons badly damaged an two of the liners are toast. Further investigation showed the small ends of the rods Turned blue & red. They were new forged rods and the shop that balanced the rotating assembly sized them for the Wrist pins, I didn't ask what they were sized to. As it is the evidence points to the wrist pins siezing up and putting unusual forces on the pistons thus taking out the pistons & liners. The holes in the pistons for the wrist pins were beginning to oval. So my qestion is, what should be considered a racing tollerence for the small end bearing? Thanks for any input. Jim g Sent from my iPhone From brinke at cebridge.net Sat Jul 24 16:07:08 2010 From: brinke at cebridge.net (Bill Rinke) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 17:07:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2010 References: <00C1A379-2A58-4CF8-A46B-BF5E06ACAAD4@bnj.com> Message-ID: <91BA9A9EF4564AA5ABB295BF3F580C5E@main> Hello Bill, Gosh it has been a long time since we heard from you. Don't have your entry yet into the O'Reilly Vintage Grand Prix sponsored by Heartland Vintage Racing. This is undoubtedly the greatest Vintage Racing event to be held in the Midwest and you sure don't want to miss it. Check out our updated website at www.heartlandvintageracing.com and click on the Invitations button and also on the Racing button. Lots of great information there. Perhaps some of those copied on this email will also be reminded of this great event and get their entries sent in right away. The Kastner Cup Race is going to be one of the best ever held. It will start with a band playing the National Anthem and at the end of the Anthem there will be aircraft flying over spewing colored smoke and one of the pilots even said he might do a barrel roll down the front straight. Sure look forward to receiving your entry and seeing you at Heartland Park Topeka. Bill bill at heartlandvintageracing.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; fot at autox.team.net Triumph' Triumph Cc: emanteno at comcast.net ; sbarr at mccarty-law.com ; jerrybarr at charter.net ; yellow-green at sbcglobal.net ; ehusmann53 at yahoo.com ; spyderweb at uwalumni.com ; tony at tonydrews.com ; edwardbarnard at prodigy.net ; colordog.1 at earthlink.net ; rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ; mjb at spitfire.cs.utah.edu ; capecoventryracing at gmail.com ; cofrog at q.com ; mlcooknj at msn.com ; BillDentin at aol.com ; Dlhogye at aol.com ; DonMarshall at nefcom.net ; gasket.works at gte.net ; keithfiles at btinternet.com ; henry at henryfrye.com ; GSFuqua1 at aol.com ; vintage.racer at comcast.net ; jcjcarrera at comcast.net ; spitfiresuz at 141.com ; brad.kahler at 141.com ; kla-nv at earthlink.net ; munsonsb at telus.net ; Gt6steve at aol.com ; jsnook at wcnet.org ; tstrange at new.rr.com ; tarch at bellsouth.net ; jerryvv at roadrunner.com ; cartravel at pobox.com ; seanax at iowalaser.com ; Mark.Alexander.ctr at ang.af.mil Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 10:33 AM Subject: Re: Kastner Cup 2010 Wow, how cool is that. I'll do my best to be there, even though it conflicts with the Monterey Historics. On Jun 5, 2009, at 5:47 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: Press release by Gary Fuqua and Bill Brinke: It should be a good one.......Kas is enthusiastically in place. look at: http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/ I am not on the FOT list, at the moment, so I just sent as many as I could find on my address book/ The word will be getting out so I ddint want folks to find out from a magazine or any of the other lists. = From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Jul 25 12:46:23 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 12:46:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Last minute rebuild before Topeka In-Reply-To: <8CCFA3B837715E8-139C-2753D@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCFA3B837715E8-139C-2753D@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I don't give up that easy . Jim g Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2010, at 12:08 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > oh Jim, > > are you going to make it? > > this is the greatest potential turnout of TR4s ever, methinks > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Gray > To: Triumph Friends of > Sent: Sun, Jul 25, 2010 10:46 am > Subject: [Fot] Last minute rebuild before Topeka > > Greetings FoT > The worst case scenario has happened. I raced ppir two weeks ago and > my head gasket blew. I caught it pretty quick and inspection of the > rod & main bearings > Showed no damage to the crank. The bearings were just beginning to > score. The nitriding had paid off. > Unfortunately when I tore the motor down I found all the pistons > badly damaged an two of the liners are toast. > Further investigation showed the small ends of the rods > Turned blue & red. They were new forged rods and the shop that > balanced the rotating assembly sized them for the > Wrist pins, I didn't ask what they were sized to. > As it is the evidence points to the wrist pins siezing up and > putting unusual forces on the pistons thus taking out the pistons & > liners. The holes in the pistons for the wrist pins were beginning > to oval. So my qestion is, what should be considered a racing > tollerence for the small end bearing? > Thanks for any input. > Jim g > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > = From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 25 13:23:15 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 21:23:15 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Last minute rebuild before Topeka In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000b01cb2c2e$d5a6fe80$80f4fb80$@com> I run the stock suggestions which are 0.00196" clearance for rod and piston bore. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Jim Gray Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. Juli 2010 17:46 An: Triumph Friends of Betreff: [Fot] Last minute rebuild before Topeka Greetings FoT The worst case scenario has happened. I raced ppir two weeks ago and my head gasket blew. I caught it pretty quick and inspection of the rod & main bearings Showed no damage to the crank. The bearings were just beginning to score. The nitriding had paid off. Unfortunately when I tore the motor down I found all the pistons badly damaged an two of the liners are toast. Further investigation showed the small ends of the rods Turned blue & red. They were new forged rods and the shop that balanced the rotating assembly sized them for the Wrist pins, I didn't ask what they were sized to. As it is the evidence points to the wrist pins siezing up and putting unusual forces on the pistons thus taking out the pistons & liners. The holes in the pistons for the wrist pins were beginning to oval. So my qestion is, what should be considered a racing tollerence for the small end bearing? Thanks for any input. Jim g Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sun Jul 25 14:50:44 2010 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:50:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <000001cb2c07$5590d760$00b28620$@com> References: <001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com><000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com> <000001cb2c07$5590d760$00b28620$@com> Message-ID: How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 10:40 AM Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife >A trackday on the Nordschleife: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5mYIz4V01w > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZSBn39OJ_M > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/19to1tr6 at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jul 25 15:34:01 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:34:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Stags at the Kastner Cup Races in Topeka Kansas USA August 19-22 In-Reply-To: <4C4C9AFB.8050905@triumphstagclub.org> References: <4C4C9AFB.8050905@triumphstagclub.org> Message-ID: <8CCFA583B9050B0-1F98-25A0F@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Glenn, Your timing to mention this FOT Kastner Cup event couldnt be any better. I wanted 'uncle jack' as the honorary pace car as a tribute to my long time friend. Mr. Ethier has another event on his schedule that he doesnt want to miss. I understand that. However, it would be cool to have a gathering of Stags with us. We have a number of features planned that will appeal to everyone. Ramada Inn has very special rates available. Cheaper than Super 8, I hear. Entertainment on Saturday night. Live music by Soul to Soul out of Texas. You get a herd of stags to come and we will pay special attention to you. Kas, of course will be there. Some other folks of TRIUMPH racing history will be there telling stories of racing in the 50s. VTR is going to have something special going on in the paddock as well as a deluxe poster for the second year. Suitable for autographing by Kas and Sam....and then frame it. We are honoring Sam Halkias and he will have the SCCA TR6 Champ Car on display and driving his vintage TR6. In the field of entries there may be as many as 18 TR4s...the biggest showing of TR4s that I am aware of. This event is about Triumphs, for Triumph people. Triumphs will be the stars. Gate is inexpensive for the weekend. We have a great T-SHIRT with Sam Halkias on it. We are going to offer it to all Triumph guys....$12.50 I think. This is an opportunity for central states TRIUMPHS to participate in what is usually held on either coast. 2011 is west and 2012 will be east.......... VENDOR and AUTOJUMBLE activity. Rent a vendor space for $100 and get passes, then sell off some of spares...get some guys together and do it. Let me know, so we can plan for you. Join us in the paddock! Thanks Glenn, Joe Alexander FOT -----Original Message----- From: Glenn A. Merrell - TSN To: Triumph Stag Discussion Forum ; Triumph Triumphlist ; Spitfires Mail List Members ; TR8 Mail List Members ; 6-Pack <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Sun, Jul 25, 2010 3:13 pm Subject: [6pack] Stags at the Kastner Cup Races in Topeka Kansas USA August 19-22 Hi All, I am wondering how many folks are going to the Friends of Triumph Kastner Cup Races in Topeka Kansas August 19-22 ( featured race info http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/) where Triumph is the featured Marque? This is a convenient day's drive from a lot of places in the Central USA, and across a weekend too! I'd like to see a strong showing of ALL Triumphs including Triumph Stags show up in the Heartland as there has not been a good gathering of "the herd" in several years now, certainly not one exceeding a count close to 24 Stags !! It is well past the time for new things to happen in the long term support and enjoyment of our cars. There are easily over 100 Stags within a days drive of Topeka (not to mention many hundreds of other Triumphs) ... so it would be a very convenient gathering of the herd, we could coordinate a spot in the race paddocks reserved just for Triumph Stags smack dab in the middle of FoT, maybe have Uncle Jack as the center piece with all the TTA stickers ?? How appropriate!!! If you are planning on attending, want to talk Triumphs, Triumph Stags, coordinating new Triumph Stag support in North America including herding options, please contact me off list and do actively continue this discussion on the Forums! Cheers! -- Glenn Merrell TSN Admin http://www.triumphstag.net mailto:StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org _______________________________________________ 6pack at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jul 25 15:48:39 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:48:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park Message-ID: <8CCFA5A46B9348C-1788-3C658@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> FOT, I ran into some RMVR members at Road America last weekend and talked to them about Heartland Park. They said HP was discussed and planned to be on their racing schedule as there is nothing else scheduled for August. But it didnt get on the schedule as someone didnt follow through. Is it too late to spread the word to RMVR and CVAR? Entries are looking quite good for the Kastner Cup, but there is room for more entries in other groups. Who can help? Thanks, Joe A. From billb at bnj.com Sun Jul 25 16:13:31 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 15:13:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com><000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com> <000001cb2c07$5590d760$00b28620$@com> Message-ID: <020272EF-962A-4D1C-965D-32905E70898E@bnj.com> Perhaps some fundamental difference between nanny state Germany and nanny state United States? That and the fact that the Nordschliefe is not really a race track anymore. You pays your money and you takes yer lap, regardless of what motor-driven contrivance you might choose to bring. People drive at similar speeds on the road that runs past my house in Portland (coincidentally, the infamous Germantown Road) with no helmet, harness and traffic coming the other way. Now that I think about it, I do too. On Jul 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Rob wrote: > How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sun Jul 25 17:54:15 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:54:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <020272EF-962A-4D1C-965D-32905E70898E@bnj.com> Message-ID: <4DE981F9477F49D6B40A22FC38D7C928@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Germantown Road - One of my all time favorites. But don't screw up - those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:14 PM To: Rob Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife Perhaps some fundamental difference between nanny state Germany and nanny state United States? That and the fact that the Nordschliefe is not really a race track anymore. You pays your money and you takes yer lap, regardless of what motor-driven contrivance you might choose to bring. People drive at similar speeds on the road that runs past my house in Portland (coincidentally, the infamous Germantown Road) with no helmet, harness and traffic coming the other way. Now that I think about it, I do too. On Jul 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Rob wrote: > How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sun Jul 25 19:06:03 2010 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 01:06:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] spitfire rear valence trim needed Message-ID: <1542073874.508208.1280106363690.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Anyone out there have chrome rear valence pieces sitting around on a parts car collecting dust.B I really just need the centre lower piece, but would take all of them.B These chrome ones are forB a 72' or so MkIV or 1500.B The car is black so the black ones aren't what I'm looking for. amazing how mangled they get when a car is backed into the tire barrier Aaron Johnson #87 HP Spitfire1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA From jaboruch at netzero.net Sun Jul 25 19:29:03 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 01:29:03 GMT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Spitfire Message-ID: <20100725.212903.17807.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Friends, I received the below from a former FOTer. Lots of free parts, plus a Spitfire for sale. Jim is in Connecticut. Joe(B) Hi Joe, Would you mind placing this ad for me on the FOT site, I no longer have access. Thanks, Jim Wood Free: Spitfire chassis, tubs, and bonnets, have several of each. For sale: 1969 Spitfire MK3, 1300cc, street car, roll bar, fuel cell, Carrerra shocks, Corbeau seats, and much more, also many spares included. $2500 firm. Jim Wood 860-350-0975, VRUUUM at aol.com ____________________________________________________________ TODAY: iPads for $23.78? Report: Apple iPads are being auctioned for an incredible 83% off! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c4ce512993a5412671st06duc From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Jul 25 21:14:35 2010 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 parts Message-ID: <500703.72057.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Lister's: I have a friend who is parting out a couple of TR3A's, post TS60000. Normally I wouldn't mention body panels to the group since they are expensive to ship, but, Joe Hovey and I will be coming up to Topeka and could throw things in the truck and save shipping costs. At this time there is still a good front apron, some doors, and front and rear fenders. If anyone is interested in any panels to be brought to Topeka please contact me off list. Thanks - Ed From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 26 01:40:56 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:40:56 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com><000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com> <000001cb2c07$5590d760$00b28620$@com> Message-ID: <001401cb2c95$e5161510$af423f30$@com> The simple fact is that the Nordschleife was ever a toll road and has a status like a normal road for public traffic. Like the streets of Monaco. You can drive through Monaco when there is no F1 GP on the race track. So all cars insurances are intact and also the driving rules for traffic are intact with the exception that this has the status as a teaching event and so overtaking on the right hand side is allowed. The passengers "are recommended" to wear helmets but there is no "must". I thought to bring my spare helmet but it seems that my wife had trash bin it. Have a look at the stock seat...how it bends and move under cornering loads :-) Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Rob [mailto:19to1tr6 at comcast.net] Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. Juli 2010 22:51 An: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 10:40 AM Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife >A trackday on the Nordschleife: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5mYIz4V01w > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZSBn39OJ_M > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/19to1tr6 at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 26 01:57:14 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:57:14 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <4DE981F9477F49D6B40A22FC38D7C928@TOSHIBALAPTOP> References: <020272EF-962A-4D1C-965D-32905E70898E@bnj.com> <4DE981F9477F49D6B40A22FC38D7C928@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <001901cb2c98$2a145da0$7e3d18e0$@com> This is something I don't understand: "those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move!" - What? -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Norlin Engineering Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2010 01:54 An: 'Bill Babcock'; 'Rob' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife Germantown Road - One of my all time favorites. But don't screw up - those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:14 PM To: Rob Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife Perhaps some fundamental difference between nanny state Germany and nanny state United States? That and the fact that the Nordschliefe is not really a race track anymore. You pays your money and you takes yer lap, regardless of what motor-driven contrivance you might choose to bring. People drive at similar speeds on the road that runs past my house in Portland (coincidentally, the infamous Germantown Road) with no helmet, harness and traffic coming the other way. Now that I think about it, I do too. On Jul 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Rob wrote: > How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 26 05:36:32 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:36:32 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <8CCFACD2D5F63B9-23B4-2851B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com> References: <020272EF-962A-4D1C-965D-32905E70898E@bnj.com><4DE981F9477F49D6B40A22FC38D7C928@TOSHIBALAPTOP> <001901cb2c98$2a145da0$7e3d18e0$@com> <8CCFACD2D5F63B9-23B4-2851B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <004001cb2cb6$cd01ac20$67050460$@com> Ahhh.now after a little help from Michael Porter and you I get it together. Doug Firs is a sort of tree.I thought Doug Firs is the name of a person. So the trees dont move if you hit them  that is ment. Von: n197tr4 at cs.com [mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com] Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2010 13:31 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife BIG TREES -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'Norlin Engineering' ; 'BillBabcock' ; 'Rob' <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:57 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife This is something I don't understand: "those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move!" - What? -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] Im Auftrag von Norlin Engineering Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2010 01:54 An: 'Bill Babcock'; 'Rob' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife Germantown Road - One of my all time favorites. But don't screw up - those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:14 PM To: Rob Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife Perhaps some fundamental difference between nanny state Germany and nanny state United States? That and the fact that the Nordschliefe is not really a race track anymore. You pays your money and you takes yer lap, regardless of what motor-driven contrivance you might choose to bring. People drive at similar speeds on the road that runs past my house in Portland (coincidentally, the infamous Germantown Road) with no helmet, harness and traffic coming the other way. Now that I think about it, I do too. On Jul 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Rob wrote: > How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 26 07:26:46 2010 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 06:26:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <004001cb2cb6$cd01ac20$67050460$@com> Message-ID: <756090.26176.qm@web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Somebody .... please, send Chris a pic or two of what these trees look like .. so he can appreciate them ... Bill???? Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 7/26/10, MadMarx wrote: From: MadMarx Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 6:36 AM Ahhh.now after a little help from Michael Porter and you I get it together. Doug Firs is a sort of tree.I thought Doug Firs is the name of a person. So the trees dont move if you hit them that is ment. Von: n197tr4 at cs.com [mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com] Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2010 13:31 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife BIG TREES -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'Norlin Engineering' ; 'BillBabcock' ; 'Rob' <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:57 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife This is something I don't understand: "those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move!" - What? -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] Im Auftrag von Norlin Engineering Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2010 01:54 An: 'Bill Babcock'; 'Rob' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife Germantown Road - One of my all time favorites. But don't screw up - those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:14 PM To: Rob Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife Perhaps some fundamental difference between nanny state Germany and nanny state United States? That and the fact that the Nordschliefe is not really a race track anymore. You pays your money and you takes yer lap, regardless of what motor-driven contrivance you might choose to bring. People drive at similar speeds on the road that runs past my house in Portland (coincidentally, the infamous Germantown Road) with no helmet, harness and traffic coming the other way. Now that I think about it, I do too. On Jul 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Rob wrote: > How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tstrange at sbcglobal.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Jul 26 08:27:49 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:27:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 parts now FOT Autojumble Message-ID: <95e34.43258b17.397ef565@cs.com> FOT, Ed Barnard's mention of bringing TR3A in parts for sale............. This is a case for the FOT renting one vendor spot together and pooling your racing and street spares for an FOT Autojumble. There is an indication that there will a large amount of Triumph Club Activity, as well as 25 or so Racing Triumphs Tony Drews, Christian Marx, and I hope to show some New Product. Newly designed aluminum front hubs by Uncle Jack's Racing. A new seal design for the rear of the crank by Christian Marx. The AMBRO will be on display along with the V-8 version, the Dio Tipo 61. The new AMBRO Body Kit will be on display, also, shown by Bill Bonadio. (There are two available) The new and gorgeous SCARAB with aluminum body will also be on display. Of course the major sponsor O'Reilley Auto Parts will have a candy store under canvas. And more. Joe A From igofaster at att.net Mon Jul 26 08:44:09 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 07:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 & beyond In-Reply-To: <2d397.68cc8dc1.397d7e85@aol.com> References: <2d397.68cc8dc1.397d7e85@aol.com> Message-ID: <179552.85874.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I try really hard to support all vendors of Triumph stuff... even the little guys like Ted @ TSI ... even though Ted's on the tall side. I love Moss Motors easy shopping web pages much more than the stuff I have to wade through with Vicky Britt... We own a very nice TR6 we have spruced up the past couple of years. I've purchased a lot of stuff from Moss. HOWEVER... Moss's brand new parts catalog just came in the mail this week... I would like to know who in marketing figured out a Spitfire and a TR7 should be in the same catalog.... Moss offers NO listings that I can find for the lovely GT6's Tim, of which you and I both love. There has to be more GT6's running than TR7's... there just has to be... The difference between a TR7 and an onion? Nobody cries when you cut up a TR7.... Bobby Whitehead.... yes I stole that joke from a 6-pack guy... ________________________________ From: "GRMTim at aol.com" To: Group44TR7 at aol.com; GRMTim at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, July 25, 2010 6:48:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 & beyond Amen, Cary, Moss has already pulled much, if not all of their support for Buttonwillow and despite the great racing, great parties, and all the hoopla, like the Group 44 deal, both Moss and we at CMS are quite disapointed with the FOT participation at our Classic Motorsports Mitty event. Maybe I need to go race a Porsche. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 P.S. I was kidding about the Porsche. In a message dated 7/16/10 11:59:56 AM, Group44TR7 at aol.com writes: > Tim > > I appreciate all that you have attempted to do for Triumph owners > and in particular, the Triumph racing community. When it comes to the 60th > reunion that FOT selection should take into account your past and current > support. > > I felt particularly bad that I was unable to support your efforts > to get the Group 44 cars together because of all that you have done. > Unfortunately, the same considerations and constraints will probably keep me > from particpating in the 60th reunion if it was held at Mitty. > > Fot Members > > Similarly, Moss has in past sponsored a spring event at > Buttonwillow. I do not remember that event being an "official" annual FOT event, but > it seems like we are not supporting a vendor who is supporting us. Maybe > something can be worked out with Moss about an annual west coast event > (although I really do not like Buttonwillow) > > In the end, if we do not support those who are supporting us, > then we will lose their support. > > Thanks for listening - Cary > > > > > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Jul 26 09:16:13 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:16:13 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR7s & TR8s Message-ID: <99986.3bdb3034.397f00bd@cs.com> Bobby, TR7s and TR8s will be gaining in popularity for years to come, methinks. Restorations and modifications will make them better than they came out of factory. Which should be arguably easy. Our offspring will be driving them in VINTAGE EVENTS and they are already making appearances. Cherish them...they are our future in vintage racing for Triumphs. It will be tough, but I know you can do it. Remember: Bring your acoustic guitar to Heartland...perhaps there will someone who can do arrangements for Bagpipe and Guitar Duets. :-) > I try really hard to support all vendors of Triumph stuff... even the > little > guys like Ted @ TSI ... even though Ted's on the tall side. > I love Moss Motors easy shopping web pages much more than the stuff I have > to > wade through with Vicky Britt... > We own a very nice TR6 we have spruced up the past couple of years. I've > purchased a lot of stuff from Moss. > > HOWEVER... Moss's brand new parts catalog just came in the mail this > week... I > would like to know who in marketing figured out a Spitfire and a TR7 > should be > in the same catalog.... > > Moss offers NO listings that I can find for the lovely GT6's Tim, of which > you > and I both love. There has to be more GT6's running than TR7's... there > just has > to be... > > The difference between a TR7 and an onion? Nobody cries when you cut up a > TR7.... > > Bobby Whitehead.... yes I stole that joke from a 6-pack guy... > From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Jul 26 09:19:03 2010 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:19:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 parts now FOT Autojumble In-Reply-To: <95e34.43258b17.397ef565@cs.com> References: <95e34.43258b17.397ef565@cs.com> Message-ID: A pooled FOT vendor spot? How is this being managed? I'm going to be pretty busy all weekend and I wouldn't have time to tend to the booth, but the option of leaving a few things for whoever is tending the booth to sell for me sounds appealing. I think a sellers percentage donation to the FOT from items sold might be in order if something like this could be set up. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell We are as happy as we make up our minds to be. ~ Abraham Lincoln -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:28 AM To: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 parts now FOT Autojumble FOT, Ed Barnard's mention of bringing TR3A in parts for sale............. This is a case for the FOT renting one vendor spot together and pooling your racing and street spares for an FOT Autojumble. There is an indication that there will a large amount of Triumph Club Activity, as well as 25 or so Racing Triumphs Tony Drews, Christian Marx, and I hope to show some New Product. Newly designed aluminum front hubs by Uncle Jack's Racing. A new seal design for the rear of the crank by Christian Marx. The AMBRO will be on display along with the V-8 version, the Dio Tipo 61. The new AMBRO Body Kit will be on display, also, shown by Bill Bonadio. (There are two available) The new and gorgeous SCARAB with aluminum body will also be on display. Of course the major sponsor O'Reilley Auto Parts will have a candy store under canvas. And more. Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From billb at bnj.com Mon Jul 26 09:29:52 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 08:29:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <001901cb2c98$2a145da0$7e3d18e0$@com> References: <020272EF-962A-4D1C-965D-32905E70898E@bnj.com> <4DE981F9477F49D6B40A22FC38D7C928@TOSHIBALAPTOP> <001901cb2c98$2a145da0$7e3d18e0$@com> Message-ID: <462AB0FA-76DD-45B2-A0FD-890941FA26E4@bnj.com> A Doug Fir is a Douglass Fir--a large tree in the Northwest. They are very massive, they line the road I was talking about, and if you hit one nothing happens to the tree. On Jul 26, 2010, at 12:57 AM, MadMarx wrote: > This is something I don't understand: > > "those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move!" - What? > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Norlin Engineering > Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2010 01:54 > An: 'Bill Babcock'; 'Rob' > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife > > Germantown Road - One of my all time favorites. But don't screw up - those > 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move! > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:14 PM > To: Rob > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife > > > Perhaps some fundamental difference between nanny state Germany and nanny > state United States? That and the fact that the Nordschliefe is not really a > race track anymore. You pays your money and you takes yer lap, regardless of > what motor-driven contrivance you might choose to bring. People drive at > similar speeds on the road that runs past my house in Portland > (coincidentally, the infamous Germantown Road) with no helmet, harness and > traffic coming the other way. > > Now that I think about it, I do too. > > On Jul 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Rob wrote: > >> How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From cofrog at q.com Mon Jul 26 09:31:15 2010 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:31:15 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park In-Reply-To: <8CCFA5A46B9348C-1788-3C658@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCFA5A46B9348C-1788-3C658@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I have posted a blurb on RMVRs bulleten board regarding this event. > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:48:39 -0400 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park > > FOT, > > I ran into some RMVR members at Road America last weekend and talked to them > about Heartland Park. > > They said HP was discussed and planned to be on their racing schedule as there > is nothing else scheduled for August. > > But it didnt get on the schedule as someone didnt follow through. Is it too > late to spread the word to RMVR and CVAR? > > Entries are looking quite good for the Kastner Cup, but there is room for more > entries in other groups. > > Who can help? > > Thanks, > > Joe A. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From jmwagner at greenheart.com Mon Jul 26 09:46:12 2010 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 08:46:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs Message-ID: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> Last year I went to a Nissan/Datsun show (being a 240Z fan).... and I noticed this vender selling these very unique brake coolers. This lead to a conversation with the President of the company, Joe Demers, and the suggestion that he make them available for Triumphs. He followed through and has since developed the product for Triumphs. He just made me aware of this in the last week, so I haven't had an opportunity to order a pair for myself, but I plan to. These aren't snake oil. I think he really has a great product. I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. Let Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin ______________________________________________________________ Dr. Joseph R. Demers, President Four Products LLC 4821 Bakman Ave. Suite 305 North Hollywood, CA 91601 (P) (626) 636-0507 (F) (323) 856-6156 http://www.fourproducts.com/V_Triumph_TR.htm From mlcooknj at msn.com Mon Jul 26 09:49:21 2010 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:49:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7s & TR8s In-Reply-To: <99986.3bdb3034.397f00bd@cs.com> References: <99986.3bdb3034.397f00bd@cs.com> Message-ID: GOOD FOR YOU, JOE! Mike Cook > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:16:13 -0400 > To: igofaster at att.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR7s & TR8s > > Bobby, > > TR7s and TR8s will be gaining in popularity for years to come, methinks. > > Restorations and modifications will make them better than they came out of > factory. Which should be arguably easy. > > Our offspring will be driving them in VINTAGE EVENTS and they are already > making appearances. > > Cherish them...they are our future in vintage racing for Triumphs. It will > be tough, but I know you can do it. > > Remember: Bring your acoustic guitar to Heartland...perhaps there will > someone who can do arrangements for Bagpipe and Guitar Duets. > > :-) > > > > > > I try really hard to support all vendors of Triumph stuff... even the > > little > > guys like Ted @ TSI ... even though Ted's on the tall side. > > I love Moss Motors easy shopping web pages much more than the stuff I have > > to > > wade through with Vicky Britt... > > We own a very nice TR6 we have spruced up the past couple of years. I've > > purchased a lot of stuff from Moss. > > > > HOWEVER... Moss's brand new parts catalog just came in the mail this > > week... I > > would like to know who in marketing figured out a Spitfire and a TR7 > > should be > > in the same catalog.... > > > > Moss offers NO listings that I can find for the lovely GT6's Tim, of which > > you > > and I both love. There has to be more GT6's running than TR7's... there > > just has > > to be... > > > > The difference between a TR7 and an onion? Nobody cries when you cut up a > > TR7.... > > > > Bobby Whitehead.... yes I stole that joke from a 6-pack guy... > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 26 09:52:27 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:52:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 parts now FOT Autojumble In-Reply-To: References: <95e34.43258b17.397ef565@cs.com> Message-ID: <8CCFAF1ADF3C986-1730-7A@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> Tag the stuff and where you are at in the paddock. We will have somebody around most of the time.....this is an informal proposal on my part with no real plan. The area is 10 x 20 per vendor spot. I already have 10 x 40...maybe I can add another space and combine it. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Kramer, Robert To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 10:19 am Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3 parts now FOT Autojumble A pooled FOT vendor spot? How is this being managed? I'm going to be pretty busy ll weekend and I wouldn't have time to tend to the booth, but the option of eaving a few things for whoever is tending the booth to sell for me sounds ppealing. I think a sellers percentage donation to the FOT from items sold ight be in order if something like this could be set up. Bob Kramer ales Manager DO Equipment Company 6415 N. IH 35 flugerville, TX 78660 12-272-4141 Office 12-657-8526 Cell e are as happy as we make up our minds to be. ~ Abraham Lincoln -----Original Message----- rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf f N197TR4 at cs.com ent: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:28 AM o: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net; fot at autox.team.net ubject: Re: [Fot] TR3 parts now FOT Autojumble FOT, Ed Barnard's mention of bringing TR3A in parts for sale............. This is a case for the FOT renting one vendor spot together and pooling our racing and street spares for an FOT Autojumble. There is an indication that there will a large amount of Triumph Club ctivity, as well as 25 or so Racing Triumphs Tony Drews, Christian Marx, and I hope to show some New Product. Newly designed aluminum front hubs by Uncle Jack's Racing. A new seal design for the rear of the crank by Christian Marx. The AMBRO will be on display along with the V-8 version, the Dio Tipo 61. he new AMBRO Body Kit will be on display, also, shown by Bill Bonadio. There are two available) The new and gorgeous SCARAB with aluminum body will also be on display. Of ourse the major sponsor O'Reilley Auto Parts will have a candy store under anvas. And more. Joe A ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From Triosan at gmail.com Mon Jul 26 10:01:26 2010 From: Triosan at gmail.com (Triosan at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:01:26 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <462AB0FA-76DD-45B2-A0FD-890941FA26E4@bnj.com> Message-ID: <90e6ba53aae2304502048c4c7f66@google.com> And if his speedo is in MPH at one point it was hitting 124! Helmet and seatbelt would not help there! On Jul 26, 2010 4:29pm, Bill Babcock wrote: > A Doug Fir is a Douglass Fir--a large tree in the Northwest. They are very > massive, they line the road I was talking about, and if you hit one > nothing > happens to the tree. > On Jul 26, 2010, at 12:57 AM, MadMarx wrote: > > This is something I don't understand: > > > > "those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move!" - What? > > > > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > > Auftrag von Norlin Engineering > > Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2010 01:54 > > An: 'Bill Babcock'; 'Rob' > > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife > > > > Germantown Road - One of my all time favorites. But don't screw up - > those > > 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:14 PM > > To: Rob > > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife > > > > > > Perhaps some fundamental difference between nanny state Germany and > nanny > > state United States? That and the fact that the Nordschliefe is not > really > a > > race track anymore. You pays your money and you takes yer lap, > regardless > of > > what motor-driven contrivance you might choose to bring. People drive at > > similar speeds on the road that runs past my house in Portland > > (coincidentally, the infamous Germantown Road) with no helmet, harness > and > > traffic coming the other way. > > > > Now that I think about it, I do too. > > > > On Jul 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Rob wrote: > > > >> How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Jul 26 10:35:10 2010 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:35:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs In-Reply-To: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> References: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> Message-ID: Will those even clear the wheels? Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Wagner To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:46 AM Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs Last year I went to a Nissan/Datsun show (being a 240Z fan).... and I noticed this vender selling these very unique brake coolers. This lead to a conversation with the President of the company, Joe Demers, and the suggestion that he make them available for Triumphs. He followed through and has since developed the product for Triumphs. He just made me aware of this in the last week, so I haven't had an opportunity to order a pair for myself, but I plan to. These aren't snake oil. I think he really has a great product. I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. Let Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin ______________________________________________________________ Dr. Joseph R. Demers, President Four Products LLC 4821 Bakman Ave. Suite 305 North Hollywood, CA 91601 (P) (626) 636-0507 (F) (323) 856-6156 http://www.fourproducts.com/V_Triumph_TR.htm _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard at msn.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Jul 26 10:45:56 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:45:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: Nordschleife Message-ID: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2290/2459037064_d8db9b7f4a.jpg Sorry Chris Germantown Road is a very twisty up (or down) hill two lane road through old growth Douglas Fir forest. The trees are within a few feet of the side of the road. Click on the link above to get an idea of the size of these trees. From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jul 26 11:01:21 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:01:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 & beyond In-Reply-To: <179552.85874.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <2d397.68cc8dc1.397d7e85@aol.com> <179552.85874.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <08A5095CBEFF4FDBA816DBF341BC7294@joepentiumnew> More than that, I have always wondered why MOSS doesn't recognize any Spitfires prior to the MkIV. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 7:44 AM To: GRMTim at aol.com Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2011 & beyond I try really hard to support all vendors of Triumph stuff... even the little guys like Ted @ TSI ... even though Ted's on the tall side. I love Moss Motors easy shopping web pages much more than the stuff I have to wade through with Vicky Britt... We own a very nice TR6 we have spruced up the past couple of years. I've purchased a lot of stuff from Moss. HOWEVER... Moss's brand new parts catalog just came in the mail this week... I would like to know who in marketing figured out a Spitfire and a TR7 should be in the same catalog.... Moss offers NO listings that I can find for the lovely GT6's Tim, of which you and I both love. There has to be more GT6's running than TR7's... there just has to be... The difference between a TR7 and an onion? Nobody cries when you cut up a TR7.... Bobby Whitehead.... yes I stole that joke from a 6-pack guy... From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jul 26 11:01:39 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:01:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <462AB0FA-76DD-45B2-A0FD-890941FA26E4@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20100726130139.ICKDX.179028.imail@fed1rmwml37> When I raced at the old Pebble Beach course through the DelMonte forest it was lined with trees about 14 inches in diameter. Very unforgiving. I remember a "D" Jag tried to cut one off just past start finish on the left hand side about 3' up. He failed as I remember. (circa 1956) Yes, there were cars then and they even had rubber tires. :-) ---- Bill Babcock wrote: ============= A Doug Fir is a Douglass Fir--a large tree in the Northwest. They are very massive, they line the road I was talking about, and if you hit one nothing happens to the tree. On Jul 26, 2010, at 12:57 AM, MadMarx wrote: > This is something I don't understand: > > "those 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move!" - What? > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Norlin Engineering > Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juli 2010 01:54 > An: 'Bill Babcock'; 'Rob' > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife > > Germantown Road - One of my all time favorites. But don't screw up - those > 250 foot tall Doug Firs that line the road don't move! > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:14 PM > To: Rob > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife > > > Perhaps some fundamental difference between nanny state Germany and nanny > state United States? That and the fact that the Nordschliefe is not really a > race track anymore. You pays your money and you takes yer lap, regardless of > what motor-driven contrivance you might choose to bring. People drive at > similar speeds on the road that runs past my house in Portland > (coincidentally, the infamous Germantown Road) with no helmet, harness and > traffic coming the other way. > > Now that I think about it, I do too. > > On Jul 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Rob wrote: > >> How is it your passenger seems to have no harness or helmet rob > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jul 26 11:07:27 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:07:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs In-Reply-To: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <20100726130727.C8IPQ.179122.imail@fed1rmwml37> Looks like a good piece if it clears everything. Chris Marx has made a set of wings for the front calipers and they are featured in my upcoming 2010 Triumph book. Simple stuff you can make at home with sheet copper. Good stuff that works. ---- Justin Wagner wrote: ============= Last year I went to a Nissan/Datsun show (being a 240Z fan).... and I noticed this vender selling these very unique brake coolers. This lead to a conversation with the President of the company, Joe Demers, and the suggestion that he make them available for Triumphs. He followed through and has since developed the product for Triumphs. He just made me aware of this in the last week, so I haven't had an opportunity to order a pair for myself, but I plan to. These aren't snake oil. I think he really has a great product. I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. Let Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin ______________________________________________________________ Dr. Joseph R. Demers, President Four Products LLC 4821 Bakman Ave. Suite 305 North Hollywood, CA 91601 (P) (626) 636-0507 (F) (323) 856-6156 http://www.fourproducts.com/V_Triumph_TR.htm _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From REK46 at aol.com Mon Jul 26 12:58:21 2010 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs Message-ID: <9ee55.bc31eed.397f34cd@aol.com> will they clear Revolution Wheels on a GT-6 ? In a message dated 7/26/2010 12:59:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tlizzard at msn.com writes: Will those even clear the wheels? Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Wagner To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:46 AM Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs Last year I went to a Nissan/Datsun show (being a 240Z fan).... and I noticed this vender selling these very unique brake coolers. This lead to a conversation with the President of the company, Joe Demers, and the suggestion that he make them available for Triumphs. He followed through and has since developed the product for Triumphs. He just made me aware of this in the last week, so I haven't had an opportunity to order a pair for myself, but I plan to. These aren't snake oil. I think he really has a great product. I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. Let Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin ______________________________________________________________ Dr. Joseph R. Demers, President Four Products LLC 4821 Bakman Ave. Suite 305 North Hollywood, CA 91601 (P) (626) 636-0507 (F) (323) 856-6156 http://www.fourproducts.com/V_Triumph_TR.htm _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From jmwagner at tstonramp.com Mon Jul 26 12:00:19 2010 From: jmwagner at tstonramp.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:00:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs In-Reply-To: References: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <3C62B6C7-8C34-49D9-BD5C-AA21C3BDACE5@tstonramp.com> He did some sort of research and thinks they do... But this is where FOT could be helpful... Buy his product and provide feedback. (just as this group did in the early days of my gasket development). --Justin On Jul 26, 2010, at 9:35 AM, "Terry Stetler" wrote: > Will those even clear the wheels? > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Justin Wagner > To: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:46 AM > Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs > > Last year I went to a Nissan/Datsun show (being a 240Z fan).... and I > noticed this vender selling these very unique brake coolers. This > lead > to a conversation with the President of the company, Joe Demers, and > the suggestion that he make them available for Triumphs. He followed > through and has since developed the product for Triumphs. He just > made > me aware of this in the last week, so I haven't had an opportunity to > order a pair for myself, but I plan to. These aren't snake oil. I > think he really has a great product. > > I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. > Let > Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Dr. Joseph R. Demers, President > Four Products LLC > 4821 Bakman Ave. > Suite 305 > North Hollywood, CA 91601 > > (P) (626) 636-0507 > (F) (323) 856-6156 > > > > http://www.fourproducts.com/V_Triumph_TR.htm > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > tlizzard at msn.com From REK46 at aol.com Mon Jul 26 14:32:49 2010 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs Message-ID: I would like to see him provide more spec detail, like how they attach, where, and how much they 'stand-off' the caliper, and particularly, where they stan -off...on the GT-6 cals, there is a big difference in the pad area versus the piston area and ends from the wheel on a racing Spit with Gt-6 frt susp and Rev wheels which are far from stoack clearances in the offsets inward In a message dated 7/26/2010 4:11:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jmwagner at tstonramp.com writes: He did some sort of research and thinks they do... But this is where FOT could be helpful... Buy his product and provide feedback. (just as this group did in the early days of my gasket development). --Justin On Jul 26, 2010, at 9:35 AM, "Terry Stetler" wrote: > Will those even clear the wheels? > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Justin Wagner > To: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:46 AM > Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs > > Last year I went to a Nissan/Datsun show (being a 240Z fan).... and I > noticed this vender selling these very unique brake coolers. This > lead > to a conversation with the President of the company, Joe Demers, and > the suggestion that he make them available for Triumphs. He followed > through and has since developed the product for Triumphs. He just > made > me aware of this in the last week, so I haven't had an opportunity to > order a pair for myself, but I plan to. These aren't snake oil. I > think he really has a great product. > > I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. > Let > Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Dr. Joseph R. Demers, President > Four Products LLC > 4821 Bakman Ave. > Suite 305 > North Hollywood, CA 91601 > > (P) (626) 636-0507 > (F) (323) 856-6156 > > > > http://www.fourproducts.com/V_Triumph_TR.htm > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > tlizzard at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jul 26 20:48:47 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:48:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Autojumble booth at Heartland Message-ID: <4C4E490F.5030602@bradakis.com> Gosh, Joe, could this be what you were thinking of when you said something about putting me to work? I haven't read any of the responses yet, this is just my initial reaction. It seems like a great idea, having a common area for the average FOT folks to peddle some of their wares. With luck, we could put Ted S. out of business! [ Sorry Ted, I couldn't resist. ] I'd be willing to spend a fair bit of time in such a booth. If a laptop or some such with a working net connection were to appear, I could even make use of my Fat Chance Garage merchant account to accept credit cards for the sale of various bits, like some rusty crap I could drag out there, or push to get Kas some extra bucks by charging a premium price for a set of his books with a generic autograph, or whatever. At any rate, I just finished my shrimp and pasta dinner, will check further email, maybe have more to say later. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jul 26 20:53:36 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:53:36 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR7s & TR8s In-Reply-To: <99986.3bdb3034.397f00bd@cs.com> References: <99986.3bdb3034.397f00bd@cs.com> Message-ID: <4C4E4A30.20303@bradakis.com> N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > Bobby, > > TR7s and TR8s will be gaining in popularity for years to come, methinks. > > Restorations and modifications will make them better than they came out of > factory. Which should be arguably easy. > > I've got an early 7 coupe out back, Chris K. knows about some of the work we put into it. I had sort of planned on having it be the vehicle I drove to this year's Kup, no such luck. Maybe next year. > Remember: Bring your acoustic guitar to Heartland...perhaps there will > someone who can do arrangements for Bagpipe and Guitar Duets. > > :-) > > > I will be bringing along some of my harmonicas. I promise to keep them locked in the glove box once I get there. mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 26 21:06:24 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:06:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Autojumble booth at Heartland In-Reply-To: <4C4E490F.5030602@bradakis.com> References: <4C4E490F.5030602@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CCFB4FD4A374A7-1550-58D2@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> I am shooting from the hip on this. No specific plan or expectations. I seems like a good idea and perhaps one that can be ongoing in the future. If I brought some stuff and you sold it for me, I would share. I am bringing some product, too, but no specific plan to be a vendor with a cash register. I dont want to be tied down to a booth and neither do you. Lets play this by ear. I have two spaces.....Ed, Bob, Ken, you, and I have an interest in doing something... Let's think about.....btw, what's a Franklin Quick Change rear end worth? It is in a TR250/TR6 chassis with rear disc brakes :-) -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: FoT Triumph Sent: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:48 pm Subject: [Fot] Autojumble booth at Heartland Gosh, Joe, could this be what you were thinking of when you said something about putting me to work? I haven't read any of the responses yet, this is just my initial reaction. It seems like a great idea, having a common area for the average FOT folks to peddle some of their wares. With luck, we could put Ted S. out of business! [ Sorry Ted, I couldn't resist. ] I'd be willing to spend a fair bit of time in such a booth. If a laptop or some such with a working net connection were to appear, I could even make use of my Fat Chance Garage merchant account to accept credit cards for the sale of various bits, like some rusty crap I could drag out there, or push to get Kas some extra bucks by charging a premium price for a set of his books with a generic autograph, or whatever. At any rate, I just finished my shrimp and pasta dinner, will check further email, maybe have more to say later. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 26 21:12:18 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:12:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] music at heartland In-Reply-To: <4C4E4A30.20303@bradakis.com> References: <99986.3bdb3034.397f00bd@cs.com> <4C4E4A30.20303@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CCFB50A7FDA331-1550-5A01@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> so far........ acoustic guitar, harmonicas, bagpipes, and a dulcimer. some drums and a fife and we could march on the capital we could make some real noise. anyone else? From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Mon Jul 26 21:29:34 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg Lunker Hilyer) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:29:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Rent-a kid? FOT Autojumble In-Reply-To: <95e34.43258b17.397ef565@cs.com> References: <95e34.43258b17.397ef565@cs.com> Message-ID: <9EE6356A-0DB1-446D-A33B-BA7EBDE21657@earthlink.net> I'd be happy to share a vendor spot with other FoT. Anybody got a kid for rent? I too don't want to be tied down but would be happy to share with a caretaker. And... 7 days until the T-shirt order cut-off date. Get your orders in. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jul 26, 2010, at 8:27 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT, > > Ed Barnard's mention of bringing TR3A in parts for sale............. > > This is a case for the FOT renting one vendor spot together and > pooling > your racing and street spares for an FOT Autojumble. > > There is an indication that there will a large amount of Triumph Club > Activity, as well as 25 or so Racing Triumphs > > Tony Drews, Christian Marx, and I hope to show some New Product. > > Newly designed aluminum front hubs by Uncle Jack's Racing. > A new seal design for the rear of the crank by Christian Marx. > > The AMBRO will be on display along with the V-8 version, the Dio > Tipo 61. > The new AMBRO Body Kit will be on display, also, shown by Bill > Bonadio. > (There are two available) > > The new and gorgeous SCARAB with aluminum body will also be on > display. Of > course the major sponsor O'Reilley Auto Parts will have a candy > store under > canvas. > > And more. > > Joe A > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Jul 26 21:54:22 2010 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] music at heartland In-Reply-To: <8CCFB50A7FDA331-1550-5A01@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <965998.66809.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If I could get someone to strap a piano on their back I'll march with that group. -Ed- --- On Mon, 7/26/10, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: From: n197tr4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] music at heartland To: mark at bradakis.com, fot at autox.team.net Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 10:12 PM so far........ acoustic guitar, harmonicas, bagpipes, and a dulcimer. some drums and a fife and we could march on the capital we could make some real noise. anyone else? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Tue Jul 27 02:58:03 2010 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:58:03 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Looking for a car Message-ID: Friends A mate of mine is looking to get into racing a Triumph and is looking to buy a TR250 to import to Aus . Does anyone know of a good strait body and chassis . All the mechanicals will be rebuilt so they are not as important as the body and chassis , Has to have full trim also Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Jul 27 05:13:26 2010 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 07:13:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rent-a kid? FOT Autojumble References: <95e34.43258b17.397ef565@cs.com> <9EE6356A-0DB1-446D-A33B-BA7EBDE21657@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002001cb2d7c$bcaf70c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi Greg, I may or not go to OP. If I do, it'll be a western trip; you know, spur of the moment! I'm very busy with my house, farm, and that pesky job. My new trailer is great, though. Did I tell you I'm a socialist? Yup. Next Jan. I'll be getting SOCIAL security! Can't believe it. That proposed race at Laguna Seca next year sounds exciting; a trip of a lifetime for me. I want a shirt, let me know where to send the funds. Back to work. Bill By the way, are you taking your paddock hound to OP? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Lunker Hilyer" To: ; "fot Triumph" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:29 PM Subject: [Fot] Rent-a kid? FOT Autojumble > I'd be happy to share a vendor spot with other FoT. Anybody got a > kid for rent? I too don't want to be tied down but would be happy to > share with a caretaker. > And... 7 days until the T-shirt order cut-off date. Get your orders in. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > > > On Jul 26, 2010, at 8:27 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > FOT, > > > > Ed Barnard's mention of bringing TR3A in parts for sale............. > > > > This is a case for the FOT renting one vendor spot together and > > pooling > > your racing and street spares for an FOT Autojumble. > > > > There is an indication that there will a large amount of Triumph Club > > Activity, as well as 25 or so Racing Triumphs > > > > Tony Drews, Christian Marx, and I hope to show some New Product. > > > > Newly designed aluminum front hubs by Uncle Jack's Racing. > > A new seal design for the rear of the crank by Christian Marx. > > > > The AMBRO will be on display along with the V-8 version, the Dio > > Tipo 61. > > The new AMBRO Body Kit will be on display, also, shown by Bill > > Bonadio. > > (There are two available) > > > > The new and gorgeous SCARAB with aluminum body will also be on > > display. Of > > course the major sponsor O'Reilley Auto Parts will have a candy > > store under > > canvas. > > > > And more. > > > > Joe A > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin3 at verizon.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 27 07:09:59 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 09:09:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rent-a kid? FOT Autojumble In-Reply-To: <002001cb2d7c$bcaf70c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <95e34.43258b17.397ef565@cs.com><9EE6356A-0DB1-446D-A33B-BA7EBDE21657@earthlink.net> <002001cb2d7c$bcaf70c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <8CCFBA4265E03C6-2210-819F@webmail-m064.sysops.aol.com> Bill, You need to come to Heartland Park, one way or another. Some are flying in. I sense something very special about this event. Joe -----Original Message----- From: WILLIAM TOBIN To: Greg Lunker Hilyer ; N197TR4 at cs.com; fot Triumph Sent: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:13 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Rent-a kid? FOT Autojumble Hi Greg, I may or not go to OP. If I do, it'll be a western trip; you now, spur of the moment! I'm very busy with my house, farm, and that pesky job. My new trailer is reat, though. Did I tell you I'm a socialist? Yup. Next Jan. I'll be getting SOCIAL ecurity! Can't believe it. That proposed race at Laguna Seca next year sounds exciting; a trip of a ifetime for me. I want a shirt, let me know where to send the funds. Back to work. Bill By the way, are you taking your paddock hound to OP? ----- Original essage ----- From: "Greg Lunker Hilyer" To: ; "fot Triumph" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:29 PM Subject: [Fot] Rent-a kid? FOT Autojumble > I'd be happy to share a vendor spot with other FoT. Anybody got a > kid for rent? I too don't want to be tied down but would be happy to > share with a caretaker. > And... 7 days until the T-shirt order cut-off date. Get your orders in. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > > > On Jul 26, 2010, at 8:27 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > FOT, > > > > Ed Barnard's mention of bringing TR3A in parts for sale............. > > > > This is a case for the FOT renting one vendor spot together and > > pooling > > your racing and street spares for an FOT Autojumble. > > > > There is an indication that there will a large amount of Triumph Club > > Activity, as well as 25 or so Racing Triumphs > > > > Tony Drews, Christian Marx, and I hope to show some New Product. > > > > Newly designed aluminum front hubs by Uncle Jack's Racing. > > A new seal design for the rear of the crank by Christian Marx. > > > > The AMBRO will be on display along with the V-8 version, the Dio > > Tipo 61. > > The new AMBRO Body Kit will be on display, also, shown by Bill > > Bonadio. > > (There are two available) > > > > The new and gorgeous SCARAB with aluminum body will also be on > > display. Of > > course the major sponsor O'Reilley Auto Parts will have a candy > > store under > > canvas. > > > > And more. > > > > Joe A > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin3 at verizon.net From igofaster at att.net Tue Jul 27 08:43:28 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 07:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] music at heartland In-Reply-To: <8CCFB50A7FDA331-1550-5A01@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> References: <99986.3bdb3034.397f00bd@cs.com> <4C4E4A30.20303@bradakis.com> <8CCFB50A7FDA331-1550-5A01@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <866580.600.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> that better say acoustic guitars, PLURAL... I charge extra if I have to entertain anybody but myself. According to my wife, I'm easily entertained though... (read:cheap) I guess a few guys and gals heard me wailing on my guitar camped out with CVAR. If it's warm I'll set outside my trailer and sing into the metal door.. it gives me a little reverb and volume I can hear... of course, this is all after dark so I don't embarrass myself... Bobby ________________________________ From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" To: mark at bradakis.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, July 26, 2010 10:12:18 PM Subject: [Fot] music at heartland so far........ acoustic guitar, harmonicas, bagpipes, and a dulcimer. some drums and a fife and we could march on the capital we could make some real noise. anyone else? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 27 09:02:53 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:02:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Music at Heartland In-Reply-To: <866580.600.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <99986.3bdb3034.397f00bd@cs.com> <4C4E4A30.20303@bradakis.com> <8CCFB50A7FDA331-1550-5A01@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> <866580.600.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CCFBB3EC88C43C-197C-A377@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com> 'Bobby Guitar', With you younger folks it will get dark and late and very cool on Saturday nite. By then everyone will sound good and look good........ The older drivers will appear in the morning refreshed and ready. By then Age & Treachery has set in at full chat. Joe Alexander that better say acoustic guitars, PLURAL... I charge extra if I have to entertain anybody but myself. According to my wife, I'm easily entertained though... (read:cheap) I guess a few guys and gals heard me wailing on my guitar camped out with CVAR. If it's warm I'll set outside my trailer and sing into the metal door.. it gives me a little reverb and volume I can hear... of course, this is all after dark so I don't embarrass myself... Bobby From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" To: mark at bradakis.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, July 26, 2010 10:12:18 PM Subject: [Fot] music at heartland so far........ acoustic guitar, harmonicas, bagpipes, and a dulcimer. some drums and a fife and we could march on the capital we could make some real noise. anyone else? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From jmwagner at greenheart.com Tue Jul 27 13:50:18 2010 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:50:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Message-ID: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> FOT, In private email, I've been accused by a member of "posting trash" by sharing news that this guy I met at a car show has developed a product, as a result of my encouragement, for TR's. He also accused me of likely having a financial interest in making the post. (I do not.) He made it clear that such posts do not have a place on FOT and promised to call me on any future posts of the same ilk. He was also bitter that I had not coordinated some sort of discount for FOT or even some free products for members, to see if they will, indeed, fit and work on their cars. (Considering that the developer was probably only able to check to see if it fit a stock car with stock wheels, and probably not all of the Triumph range.) Never mind, that all I was doing was drawing members' attention to a web site and a potential product that might provide a competitive edge. I never claimed to be directly working with the seller. Personally, I just saw a product that looked good and was happy to see that the developer had taken my lead and is trying to make them available for our small niche market. I pointed my finger at his web site and provided a means of contacting the president of the company. From my perspective, all of you were welcome to evaluate the information on his web site and make direct contact with the vender if you had questions or wanted some consideration for trying it out on an unknown wheel size, etc. I'm not part of that loop and I don't care to be. I made no personal claims about the product other than sharing that I was impressed enough by his display at a show to encourage him to make the product for our cars. Even Kas commented "Looks like a good piece if it clears everything." upon looking at the website. So he saw promise in the product as I did. When my TR4A is back on the road, I will give the product a try. So I have some questions for the group.... Was my post inappropriate? In the future, if a member comes across a cool looking product, should he keep it to himself or only share it in private e-mails to friends? (As opposed to "Friends of Triumphs"???) If a member comes across a cool product, should he only bring it to the attention to the group, if, in his own time, he has personally tested the product and/or has managed to broker some special deal for FOT to get them at a discount? Is that the duty of a member here and the rule of the day for making such posts? It has blown my mind, on the newsgroups over the years, the issues that bring people to post vile responses to an innocent post or send private nasty-grams in e-mail. I was always cautious about selling my gaskets on the newsgroup and have always kept my posts (regarding my own products) minimal. Unlike many, I don't even put a link to my website at the bottom of my posts. However, my experience in developing those gaskets makes me particularly supportive of other entrepreneurs that develop products for our cars. It's a small market with a lot of people that cry out for the development of products, but then, many don't step up to the plate to make a purchase when it's available. It's difficult. It's a small market that most don't enter to become rich, but rather, to be in a position to earn earn a little money from one of their favorite hobbies. For a few, they're able to expand and go somewhere with a product line. For others, it may never have been intended to be anything more than a weekend hobby business or small retirement business. I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of some guidelines. I wonder what a group like this is for, if drawing attention to a product specifically being made for our cars, is crossing some sort of line. --Justin Wagner From jgambony at gcecisp.com Tue Jul 27 14:05:12 2010 From: jgambony at gcecisp.com (Jim Gambony) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:05:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs In-Reply-To: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> References: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <93EEC987EE454270A60B1DDBBF77F823@jrg> Justin, When looking at the website, the seller states that "Triumph TR Series : 1953 to 1976 (Front) Fade Stop Brake Cooler fitment has not been verified for this vehicle!" So... Do they need FOT to do evaluation testing? Is that why you brought it to the list's attention? The asking price is $99 plus tax and shipping. Any break for someone testing them? Just curious. Kind of steep for a simple heat sink. Gives me an idea though ;) Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 DM Spitfire And a barn full of toys -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Justin Wagner Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 10:46 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs Last year I went to a Nissan/Datsun show (being a 240Z fan).... and I noticed this vender selling these very unique brake coolers. This lead to a conversation with the President of the company, Joe Demers, and the suggestion that he make them available for Triumphs. He followed through and has since developed the product for Triumphs. He just made me aware of this in the last week, so I haven't had an opportunity to order a pair for myself, but I plan to. These aren't snake oil. I think he really has a great product. I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. Let Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin ______________________________________________________________ Dr. Joseph R. Demers, President Four Products LLC 4821 Bakman Ave. Suite 305 North Hollywood, CA 91601 (P) (626) 636-0507 (F) (323) 856-6156 http://www.fourproducts.com/V_Triumph_TR.htm _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jgambony at gcecisp.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.839 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2971 - Release Date: 06/29/10 13:35:00 From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jul 27 14:11:14 2010 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:11:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Message-ID: <524653.76815.qm@smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I say Yes, even if you have an interest as long as it is stated and it is Triumph related. Paul Like all the other posts that we get, if you don't like it hit delete...before you type out a crapgram. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Justin Wagner Sent: July 27, 2010 3:50 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? FOT, I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of some guidelines. I wonder what a group like this is for, if drawing attention to a product specifically being made for our cars, is crossing some sort of line. --Justin Wagner _______________________________________________ From s.janzen at comcast.net Tue Jul 27 14:27:49 2010 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:27:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: I am on this list to learn from others and for the entertainment value. I think it's helpful to hear about an unusual product or a great deal on a car or parts - I bought a TR4 roller this year because Joe posted its availability to this group. Was that posting inappropriate? I don't see that your posting is any different. Do I want to hear about something Moss or Victoria British is offering - no , I can find that on my own. Something unique or low volume is of interest, however, and I think the product you mentioned fits the racing criteria for this group as well. Specially constructed products for our 40+ year old cars is a niche market. I'm happy that people continue to come up with better ways to repair and improve our old cars, and I'm inclined to agree that it's more of a hobby than a big profit center (probably answers someone's question from the other day of why Moss doesn't have a catalog for the early Spits - there's so few left that there's no money in it). Sorry someone dumped on you. I look at the subject and hit the delete button if I'm not interested. I think you were clear that you had no financial interest, and were passing along something you thought was neat but could not vouch for. Discounts? See my comment about hobbyist production. If you think it's too expensive, make it yourself or don't buy it. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Jul 27 14:29:11 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:29:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fade Stop Brake Coolers - Now Available for TRs In-Reply-To: <93EEC987EE454270A60B1DDBBF77F823@jrg> References: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> <93EEC987EE454270A60B1DDBBF77F823@jrg> Message-ID: <01a901cb2dca$62637500$272a5f00$@rr.com> > Kind of steep for a simple heat sink. Gives me an idea though ;) If you are looking for ideas, I saw something interesting on the wife's non-LBC the other day. It has a plate near the disc, much like the original "dust shields" on TRs. The difference is that the bottom edge of the plate extends down so it almost touches the wheel, and has an angled scoop that follows the inside of the wheel. I think it's clear that the scoop is supposed to pick up the layer of air that is moving with the wheel, and direct it up across the inner surface of the disc for additional cooling. -- Randall From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Jul 27 14:42:15 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:42:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? References: <524653.76815.qm@smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <77971E0E7C31429399795CEA7402F51E@latitudefb1e41> Justin, Your subject line says Commerical Posts - YES or NO?....and then the posting goes on to wonder if drawing attention to a specific product is crossing some sort of line. With those statements you can get both yes and no answers with writers meaning the same thing. I think Paul meant NO, it is not crossing some sort of line, so YES to commercial posts (correct me if I am wrong). I would say MAYBE! Product development shared with others in the FOT has been helpfull to many of us over the years but an open door to everyday blatent Commercial Postings could and would offend many. I think whoever wrote that private note to you made the assumption that your's was one of those types. List members developed the Southwick axle conversion, uprated front stub axles and hubs and other beneficial products like a valve cover gasket. The products were shared individually to known interested parties during development and later they went public. I think many people on the list prefer this low key, minimal approach, but sometimes a product or service comes out that might benefit us all right away. I bought 24 quarts of 20w50 VR1 after someone on the list posted that AutoZone had them on sale for $2.00 each. I wouldn't have known about that and I appreciated the post. TYVM. I hope the guy didn't work for AutoZone :( Anyhow, I think the answer to commercial posts can't be defined as yes or know. It has to be defined in its purpose. Is the post designed to help your friends that love racing Triumphs? Post it. Everyone may not agree with what I have written but by that standard I think your post was fine. IMHO Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "macdonaldp" To: "'Justin Wagner'" ; "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? >I say Yes, even if you have an interest as long as it is stated and it is > Triumph related. > > Paul > > Like all the other posts that we get, if you don't like it hit > delete...before you type out a crapgram. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Justin Wagner > Sent: July 27, 2010 3:50 PM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? > > FOT, > > > I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of > some guidelines. I wonder what a group like this is for, if drawing > attention to a product specifically being made for our cars, is crossing > some sort of line. > > --Justin Wagner > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Jul 27 14:44:11 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:44:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <01aa01cb2dcc$788d5e20$69a81a60$@rr.com> > I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of > some guidelines. My opinion : This is MJB's forum, he gets first chance at dictating any rules or guidelines. Presumably, these apply: http://www.team.net/www/corp-use.html IMO, Justin's post fit perfectly within those stated guidelines. In addition, I feel it was exactly the sort of information that *I* would like to see posted; even though I am not particularly interested in trying the product. In this case, he had no financial interest; but I also welcome posts even from those with a financial interest, as long as the item is novel or not likely to be known to the majority of the group, and relevant to Triumph racing. Justin's announcement of his excellent silicone rocker cover gaskets a few years back comes to mind as a perfect example of a desirable "commercial" post. Unless your off-list message came from MJB himself (and I'm confident it did not), then I would write it off to "you can't please all the people all the time". IMO, NFI, YMMV, etc. -- Randall From jgambony at gcecisp.com Tue Jul 27 14:50:42 2010 From: jgambony at gcecisp.com (Jim Gambony) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:50:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <092ED5A736BC48CCB77F30EF947C59C2@jrg> Justin, I never had a problem with your posting the product, only that you endorsed it then suggested that it might not actually work on a TR. Why endorse it then? And the line " I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. Let Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin" Implies that there is a financial interest on your part. Just be up front. Then there's no objection. Cheers, Jim Dallas Spitfire(s) From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jul 27 14:54:44 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:54:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> <092ED5A736BC48CCB77F30EF947C59C2@jrg> Message-ID: <6060548F1AA9425690FD950A08399B34@Bud> I think I'm gonna watch Clarkson drive the Reliant Robin now.(:>).......RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gambony" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? > Justin, > > I never had a problem with your posting the product, only that you > endorsed > it then suggested that it might not actually work on a TR. Why endorse it > then? > > And the line " > I'm hoping some of you will give them a try and give him feedback. Let > Joe know that I referred you. Cheers. --Justin" > > Implies that there is a financial interest on your part. > > > Just be up front. Then there's no objection. > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > Spitfire(s) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From adams910 at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 15:05:41 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:05:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: Seemed in line to me. More in line than 2/3's of the messages on this list which having nothing to do with anything racing Triumphs. Heck the fact that this conversation is taking place and will get the response it will get makes my point. Last week I tried to have a discussion concerning what is a very relevant Triumph racing topic and no one really had anything to add except Terry Setler (thanks Terry). Even if you disagreed with what I was saying, at least say something and present your viewpoint. Those who know me know I'm not a Triumph guy and serve as a "go between" since I happen to check my email more frequently than the rest of the crew. Having my inbox fill up over nothing is old and uninteresting. Maybe if the FOT ever makes it to a bb/forum format I might pop in here and there, but I'm bailing on the list. Can't say I ever understood the whole FOT "club" anyway. Triumphs are common people's cars, open it up to the public. I know a few sharp racing people who would probably chime in from time to time, but are totally uninterested in the current format. My. 02 Later From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jul 27 15:25:30 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:25:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <227A281B9E4446E4BBD616FE8C2CEE3F@joepentiumnew> Sounds to me like that is best for everybody! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Adams Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:06 PM To: Justin Wagner Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Seemed in line to me. More in line than 2/3's of the messages on this list which having nothing to do with anything racing Triumphs. Heck the fact that this conversation is taking place and will get the response it will get makes my point. Last week I tried to have a discussion concerning what is a very relevant Triumph racing topic and no one really had anything to add except Terry Setler (thanks Terry). Even if you disagreed with what I was saying, at least say something and present your viewpoint. Those who know me know I'm not a Triumph guy and serve as a "go between" since I happen to check my email more frequently than the rest of the crew. Having my inbox fill up over nothing is old and uninteresting. Maybe if the FOT ever makes it to a bb/forum format I might pop in here and there, but I'm bailing on the list. Can't say I ever understood the whole FOT "club" anyway. Triumphs are common people's cars, open it up to the public. I know a few sharp racing people who would probably chime in from time to time, but are totally uninterested in the current format. My. 02 Later From jgambony at gcecisp.com Tue Jul 27 15:50:11 2010 From: jgambony at gcecisp.com (Jim Gambony) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:50:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [fot] commercial messages fallout In-Reply-To: <227A281B9E4446E4BBD616FE8C2CEE3F@joepentiumnew> References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> <227A281B9E4446E4BBD616FE8C2CEE3F@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <9F44B920A3C2410AA568199065AB4218@jrg> Sounds like it's time for me to ungracefully bow out of FOT. Been intesting overall, althought all the technical information for Spitfire racing is in "Kas's" books. So not much of value on this list. So time to depart from this list. Cheers, Jim Dallas Spitfire(s) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:26 PM To: 'Bob Adams'; 'Justin Wagner' Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Sounds to me like that is best for everybody! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Adams Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:06 PM To: Justin Wagner Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Seemed in line to me. More in line than 2/3's of the messages on this list which having nothing to do with anything racing Triumphs. Heck the fact that this conversation is taking place and will get the response it will get makes my point. Last week I tried to have a discussion concerning what is a very relevant Triumph racing topic and no one really had anything to add except Terry Setler (thanks Terry). Even if you disagreed with what I was saying, at least say something and present your viewpoint. Those who know me know I'm not a Triumph guy and serve as a "go between" since I happen to check my email more frequently than the rest of the crew. Having my inbox fill up over nothing is old and uninteresting. Maybe if the FOT ever makes it to a bb/forum format I might pop in here and there, but I'm bailing on the list. Can't say I ever understood the whole FOT "club" anyway. Triumphs are common people's cars, open it up to the public. I know a few sharp racing people who would probably chime in from time to time, but are totally uninterested in the current format. My. 02 Later _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jgambony at gcecisp.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3029 - Release Date: 07/27/10 01:09:00 From billb at bnj.com Tue Jul 27 19:22:30 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:22:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: Silly stuff. On the internet there is always someone ready to tell you what you should or should not do--some of that spills to the FOT. If it's Joe, or Mark, then take heed. If it's not, then it's about as legitimate and useful as if I made the comment--in other words, not at all. I was interested enough in the product to ping Tony Garmey about it. Of course he asked if I had brake fade, and I had to say "Oh, well, I guess not. Never mind." Still, anyone finding something "new" for our cars should share it, and I don't care if it's the manufacturer. I think this whole "no financial interest" thing is silly. What are we, communists? If someone figures out how to make millions selling to the remaining 100 or so people racing Triumph powered cars then I say, more power to them. This is really a very well behaved list peopled with nice folks. I belong to Vincent motorcycle list that has that is peopled with the nastiest, grumpiest, touchiest, most egomaniacal bunch of old bastards I've ever encountered. Of the few hundred people on the list only one or two would be welcome in my home. If it weren't for the technical content I'd wash my hands of the lot of them. I certainly can't say that about the FOT. Fine folks every one. Just sometimes people forget that not everyone shares their ideas about what is proper. And no one gets to make a citizen's arrest. From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue Jul 27 20:11:08 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 02:11:08 GMT Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Message-ID: <20100727.221108.29004.1@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Having recently posted the availability of some free Spitfire parts and a Spitfire for sale (NFI), I obviously have no problem with such postings. How else are we to hear about such items, some of which have made huge safety improvements with our cars. These include the Southwick rear axle conversion, the Southwick front hubs and the uprated front spindles. Whether it is body parts, go fast parts or safety related parts I want to hear about them. Finding out what is available is one of the many big values of networking on this list Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Justin Wagner To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:50:18 -0700 FOT,... So I have some questions for the group.... Was my post inappropriate? In the future, if a member comes across a cool looking product, should he keep it to himself or only share it in private e-mails to friends? (As opposed to "Friends of Triumphs"???) If a member comes across a cool product, should he only bring it to the attention to the group, if, in his own time, he has personally tested the product and/or has managed to broker some special deal for FOT to get them at a discount? Is that the duty of a member here and the rule of the day for making such posts? ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c4f91c9202cc46c18dst03duc From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jul 27 14:00:11 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:00:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <7C4BD27B1A4440A6AD29E268B36A62BA@Bud> Hi Justin...I welcome info such as websites....that's one of the ways we help each other...Do not let yourself feel 'guilty'. Regards.. Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 12:50 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? > FOT, > > In private email, I've been accused by a member of "posting trash" by > sharing news that this guy I met at a car show has developed a product, as > a result of my encouragement, for TR's. > He also accused me of likely having a financial interest in making the > post. (I do not.) > > He made it clear that such posts do not have a place on FOT and promised > to call me on any future posts of the same ilk. > > He was also bitter that I had not coordinated some sort of discount for > FOT or even some free products for members, to see if they will, indeed, > fit and work on their cars. (Considering that the developer was probably > only able to check to see if it fit a stock car with stock wheels, and > probably not all of the Triumph range.) Never mind, that all I was doing > was drawing members' attention to a web site and a potential product that > might provide a competitive edge. I never claimed to be directly working > with the seller. > > Personally, I just saw a product that looked good and was happy to see > that the developer had taken my lead and is trying to make them available > for our small niche market. > > I pointed my finger at his web site and provided a means of contacting the > president of the company. From my perspective, all of you were welcome to > evaluate the information on his web site and make direct contact with the > vender if you had questions or wanted some consideration for trying it out > on an unknown wheel size, etc. I'm not part of that loop and I don't care > to be. > > I made no personal claims about the product other than sharing that I was > impressed enough by his display at a show to encourage him to make the > product for our cars. Even Kas commented "Looks like a good piece if it > clears everything." upon looking at the website. So he saw promise in > the product as I did. When my TR4A is back on the road, I will give the > product a try. > > So I have some questions for the group.... > > Was my post inappropriate? > > In the future, if a member comes across a cool looking product, should he > keep it to himself or only share it in private e-mails to friends? (As > opposed to "Friends of Triumphs"???) > > If a member comes across a cool product, should he only bring it to the > attention to the group, if, in his own time, he has personally tested the > product and/or has managed to broker some special deal for FOT to get them > at a discount? Is that the duty of a member here and the rule of the day > for making such posts? > > It has blown my mind, on the newsgroups over the years, the issues that > bring people to post vile responses to an innocent post or send private > nasty-grams in e-mail. > > I was always cautious about selling my gaskets on the newsgroup and have > always kept my posts (regarding my own products) minimal. Unlike many, I > don't even put a link to my website at the bottom of my posts. However, > my experience in developing those gaskets makes me particularly supportive > of other entrepreneurs that develop products for our cars. It's a small > market with a lot of people that cry out for the development of products, > but then, many don't step up to the plate to make a purchase when it's > available. It's difficult. It's a small market that most don't enter to > become rich, but rather, to be in a position to earn earn a little money > from one of their favorite hobbies. For a few, they're able to expand and > go somewhere with a product line. For others, it may never have been > intended to be anything more than a weekend hobby business or small > retirement business. > > I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of some > guidelines. I wonder what a group like this is for, if drawing attention > to a product specifically being made for our cars, is crossing some sort > of line. > > --Justin Wagner > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jul 27 14:07:38 2010 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:07:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <620433.54694.qm@smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I say Yes, even if you have an interest as long as it is stated and it is Triumph related. Paul Like all the other posts that we get, if you don't like it hit delete...before you type out a crapgram. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Justin Wagner Sent: July 27, 2010 3:50 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? FOT, In private email, I've been accused by a member of "posting trash" by sharing news that this guy I met at a car show has developed a product, as a result of my encouragement, for TR's. He also accused me of likely having a financial interest in making the post. (I do not.) He made it clear that such posts do not have a place on FOT and promised to call me on any future posts of the same ilk. He was also bitter that I had not coordinated some sort of discount for FOT or even some free products for members, to see if they will, indeed, fit and work on their cars. (Considering that the developer was probably only able to check to see if it fit a stock car with stock wheels, and probably not all of the Triumph range.) Never mind, that all I was doing was drawing members' attention to a web site and a potential product that might provide a competitive edge. I never claimed to be directly working with the seller. Personally, I just saw a product that looked good and was happy to see that the developer had taken my lead and is trying to make them available for our small niche market. I pointed my finger at his web site and provided a means of contacting the president of the company. From my perspective, all of you were welcome to evaluate the information on his web site and make direct contact with the vender if you had questions or wanted some consideration for trying it out on an unknown wheel size, etc. I'm not part of that loop and I don't care to be. I made no personal claims about the product other than sharing that I was impressed enough by his display at a show to encourage him to make the product for our cars. Even Kas commented "Looks like a good piece if it clears everything." upon looking at the website. So he saw promise in the product as I did. When my TR4A is back on the road, I will give the product a try. So I have some questions for the group.... Was my post inappropriate? In the future, if a member comes across a cool looking product, should he keep it to himself or only share it in private e-mails to friends? (As opposed to "Friends of Triumphs"???) If a member comes across a cool product, should he only bring it to the attention to the group, if, in his own time, he has personally tested the product and/or has managed to broker some special deal for FOT to get them at a discount? Is that the duty of a member here and the rule of the day for making such posts? It has blown my mind, on the newsgroups over the years, the issues that bring people to post vile responses to an innocent post or send private nasty-grams in e-mail. I was always cautious about selling my gaskets on the newsgroup and have always kept my posts (regarding my own products) minimal. Unlike many, I don't even put a link to my website at the bottom of my posts. However, my experience in developing those gaskets makes me particularly supportive of other entrepreneurs that develop products for our cars. It's a small market with a lot of people that cry out for the development of products, but then, many don't step up to the plate to make a purchase when it's available. It's difficult. It's a small market that most don't enter to become rich, but rather, to be in a position to earn earn a little money from one of their favorite hobbies. For a few, they're able to expand and go somewhere with a product line. For others, it may never have been intended to be anything more than a weekend hobby business or small retirement business. I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of some guidelines. I wonder what a group like this is for, if drawing attention to a product specifically being made for our cars, is crossing some sort of line. --Justin Wagner _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From riverside at southslope.net Tue Jul 27 14:49:44 2010 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:49:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <00dd01cb2dcd$3e740e90$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> I followed the thread closely and never once did occur to me that anything inappropriate was going on. I welcome news on products being provided by FOT members or any vendors they encounter. art de armond ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:50 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? > FOT, > > In private email, I've been accused by a member of "posting trash" by > sharing news that this guy I met at a car show has developed a product, as > a result of my encouragement, for TR's. > He also accused me of likely having a financial interest in making the > post. (I do not.) > > He made it clear that such posts do not have a place on FOT and promised > to call me on any future posts of the same ilk. > > He was also bitter that I had not coordinated some sort of discount for > FOT or even some free products for members, to see if they will, indeed, > fit and work on their cars. (Considering that the developer was probably > only able to check to see if it fit a stock car with stock wheels, and > probably not all of the Triumph range.) Never mind, that all I was doing > was drawing members' attention to a web site and a potential product that > might provide a competitive edge. I never claimed to be directly working > with the seller. > > Personally, I just saw a product that looked good and was happy to see > that the developer had taken my lead and is trying to make them available > for our small niche market. > > I pointed my finger at his web site and provided a means of contacting the > president of the company. From my perspective, all of you were welcome to > evaluate the information on his web site and make direct contact with the > vender if you had questions or wanted some consideration for trying it out > on an unknown wheel size, etc. I'm not part of that loop and I don't care > to be. > > I made no personal claims about the product other than sharing that I was > impressed enough by his display at a show to encourage him to make the > product for our cars. Even Kas commented "Looks like a good piece if it > clears everything." upon looking at the website. So he saw promise in > the product as I did. When my TR4A is back on the road, I will give the > product a try. > > So I have some questions for the group.... > > Was my post inappropriate? > > In the future, if a member comes across a cool looking product, should he > keep it to himself or only share it in private e-mails to friends? (As > opposed to "Friends of Triumphs"???) > > If a member comes across a cool product, should he only bring it to the > attention to the group, if, in his own time, he has personally tested the > product and/or has managed to broker some special deal for FOT to get them > at a discount? Is that the duty of a member here and the rule of the day > for making such posts? > > It has blown my mind, on the newsgroups over the years, the issues that > bring people to post vile responses to an innocent post or send private > nasty-grams in e-mail. > > I was always cautious about selling my gaskets on the newsgroup and have > always kept my posts (regarding my own products) minimal. Unlike many, I > don't even put a link to my website at the bottom of my posts. However, > my experience in developing those gaskets makes me particularly supportive > of other entrepreneurs that develop products for our cars. It's a small > market with a lot of people that cry out for the development of products, > but then, many don't step up to the plate to make a purchase when it's > available. It's difficult. It's a small market that most don't enter to > become rich, but rather, to be in a position to earn earn a little money > from one of their favorite hobbies. For a few, they're able to expand and > go somewhere with a product line. For others, it may never have been > intended to be anything more than a weekend hobby business or small > retirement business. > > I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of some > guidelines. I wonder what a group like this is for, if drawing attention > to a product specifically being made for our cars, is crossing some sort > of line. > > --Justin Wagner > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net From igofaster at att.net Tue Jul 27 18:20:23 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <932092.87397.qm@web180809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> So.... if I recommended Quantum Mechanics for our transmissions and the forgiving and honorable efforts made by them to get something that I can actually use, is that OK? I've mentioned all my problems with John @ Quantum Mechanics and he has responded with grace, competitiveness, and warranty work on blown gearboxes. All on FoT. While we're at it, I just got a set of Mikuni carb's for my GT6 from Chris at prirace.com .... bad ass stuff and THIS guy really appears to know what he's doing... Check out HIS website... and no, the only financial benefit to me is I'm sending him money for really nice stuff... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Justin Wagner To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Tue, July 27, 2010 2:50:18 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? FOT, In private email, I've been accused by a member of "posting trash" by sharing news that this guy I met at a car show has developed a product, as a result of my encouragement, for TR's. He also accused me of likely having a financial interest in making the post. (I do not.) He made it clear that such posts do not have a place on FOT and promised to call me on any future posts of the same ilk. He was also bitter that I had not coordinated some sort of discount for FOT or even some free products for members, to see if they will, indeed, fit and work on their cars. (Considering that the developer was probably only able to check to see if it fit a stock car with stock wheels, and probably not all of the Triumph range.) Never mind, that all I was doing was drawing members' attention to a web site and a potential product that might provide a competitive edge. I never claimed to be directly working with the seller. Personally, I just saw a product that looked good and was happy to see that the developer had taken my lead and is trying to make them available for our small niche market. I pointed my finger at his web site and provided a means of contacting the president of the company. From my perspective, all of you were welcome to evaluate the information on his web site and make direct contact with the vender if you had questions or wanted some consideration for trying it out on an unknown wheel size, etc. I'm not part of that loop and I don't care to be. I made no personal claims about the product other than sharing that I was impressed enough by his display at a show to encourage him to make the product for our cars. Even Kas commented "Looks like a good piece if it clears everything." upon looking at the website. So he saw promise in the product as I did. When my TR4A is back on the road, I will give the product a try. So I have some questions for the group.... Was my post inappropriate? In the future, if a member comes across a cool looking product, should he keep it to himself or only share it in private e-mails to friends? (As opposed to "Friends of Triumphs"???) If a member comes across a cool product, should he only bring it to the attention to the group, if, in his own time, he has personally tested the product and/or has managed to broker some special deal for FOT to get them at a discount? Is that the duty of a member here and the rule of the day for making such posts? It has blown my mind, on the newsgroups over the years, the issues that bring people to post vile responses to an innocent post or send private nasty-grams in e-mail. I was always cautious about selling my gaskets on the newsgroup and have always kept my posts (regarding my own products) minimal. Unlike many, I don't even put a link to my website at the bottom of my posts. However, my experience in developing those gaskets makes me particularly supportive of other entrepreneurs that develop products for our cars. It's a small market with a lot of people that cry out for the development of products, but then, many don't step up to the plate to make a purchase when it's available. It's difficult. It's a small market that most don't enter to become rich, but rather, to be in a position to earn earn a little money from one of their favorite hobbies. For a few, they're able to expand and go somewhere with a product line. For others, it may never have been intended to be anything more than a weekend hobby business or small retirement business. I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of some guidelines. I wonder what a group like this is for, if drawing attention to a product specifically being made for our cars, is crossing some sort of line. --Justin Wagner _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue Jul 27 20:03:58 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 02:03:58 GMT Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Message-ID: <20100727.220358.29004.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Having recently posted the availability of some free Spitfire parts and a Spitfire for sale (NFI), I obviously have no problem with such postings. How else are we to hear about such items, some of which have made huge safety improvements with our cars. These include the Southwick rear axle conversion, the Southwick front hubs and the uprated front spindles. Whether it is body parts, go fast parts or safety related parts I want to hear about them. Finding out what is available is one of the many big values of networking on this list Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Justin Wagner To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:50:18 -0700 FOT, In private email, I've been accused by a member of "posting trash" by sharing news that this guy I met at a car show has developed a product, as a result of my encouragement, for TR's. He also accused me of likely having a financial interest in making the post. (I do not.) He made it clear that such posts do not have a place on FOT and promised to call me on any future posts of the same ilk. He was also bitter that I had not coordinated some sort of discount for FOT or even some free products for members, to see if they will, indeed, fit and work on their cars. (Considering that the developer was probably only able to check to see if it fit a stock car with stock wheels, and probably not all of the Triumph range.) Never mind, that all I was doing was drawing members' attention to a web site and a potential product that might provide a competitive edge. I never claimed to be directly working with the seller. Personally, I just saw a product that looked good and was happy to see that the developer had taken my lead and is trying to make them available for our small niche market. I pointed my finger at his web site and provided a means of contacting the president of the company. From my perspective, all of you were welcome to evaluate the information on his web site and make direct contact with the vender if you had questions or wanted some consideration for trying it out on an unknown wheel size, etc. I'm not part of that loop and I don't care to be. I made no personal claims about the product other than sharing that I was impressed enough by his display at a show to encourage him to make the product for our cars. Even Kas commented "Looks like a good piece if it clears everything." upon looking at the website. So he saw promise in the product as I did. When my TR4A is back on the road, I will give the product a try. So I have some questions for the group.... Was my post inappropriate? In the future, if a member comes across a cool looking product, should he keep it to himself or only share it in private e-mails to friends? (As opposed to "Friends of Triumphs"???) If a member comes across a cool product, should he only bring it to the attention to the group, if, in his own time, he has personally tested the product and/or has managed to broker some special deal for FOT to get them at a discount? Is that the duty of a member here and the rule of the day for making such posts? It has blown my mind, on the newsgroups over the years, the issues that bring people to post vile responses to an innocent post or send private nasty-grams in e-mail. I was always cautious about selling my gaskets on the newsgroup and have always kept my posts (regarding my own products) minimal. Unlike many, I don't even put a link to my website at the bottom of my posts. However, my experience in developing those gaskets makes me particularly supportive of other entrepreneurs that develop products for our cars. It's a small market with a lot of people that cry out for the development of products, but then, many don't step up to the plate to make a purchase when it's available. It's difficult. It's a small market that most don't enter to become rich, but rather, to be in a position to earn earn a little money from one of their favorite hobbies. For a few, they're able to expand and go somewhere with a product line. For others, it may never have been intended to be anything more than a weekend hobby business or small retirement business. I would welcome a open debate on the topic in order to get a sense of some guidelines. I wonder what a group like this is for, if drawing attention to a product specifically being made for our cars, is crossing some sort of line. --Justin Wagner _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Natural Arthritis Cure Say goodbye arthritis drugs. Aches disappear with raisin remedy. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c4f905abc6d0491bbdst02duc From jmwagner at greenheart.com Wed Jul 28 00:24:21 2010 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:24:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <20100728002936.K180O.206021.imail@fed1rmwml37> References: <20100728002936.K180O.206021.imail@fed1rmwml37> Message-ID: <4C4FCD15.7080807@greenheart.com> Thanks Kas. Yes folks, let's call it done. I appreciate the posts. It's one of those issues that comes up, now and then, and it just needs a little discussion to put it to rest until someone else cries foul. --Justin Kas Kastner wrote: >Okay, enough. No one is too unhappy, but for now, I think this has been worked to death. From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 28 08:19:52 2010 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys In-Reply-To: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> References: <4C4DADC4.6040407@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <107185.34023.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - I am working on a narrow belt conversion using the stock TR4/3 crank pulleys. If any of you have crank pulley pieces and parts that you could part with for my experiment - bring them to Topeka. See you all soon Dennis From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Jul 28 08:36:25 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:36:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys Message-ID: <82.99.03848.950405C4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Dennis, What I think we need is a balancer pulley kit that slows down the water pump and alternator. I always have trouble visualizing this, but I think smaller crank pulley slows down the other two? Is this in your plan? -----Original Message----- From: Dennis DeLap Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:19 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys AMICI - I am working on a narrow belt conversion using the stock TR4/3 crank pulleys. If any of you have crank pulley pieces and parts that you could part with for my experiment - bring them to Topeka. See you all soon Dennis _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Jul 28 09:25:07 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:25:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys now used scroll seals, too Message-ID: <49159.48cf4c76.3981a5d3@cs.com> Dennis, I'll look for some in my stash.... I also need 7 more used scroll seals to get a production run of 10 modified ones for Chris' new split seal. Thanks, Joe > AMICI - I am working on a narrow belt conversion using the stock TR4/3 > crank > pulleys. If any of you have crank pulley pieces and parts that you could > part > with for my experiment - bring them to Topeka. > > See you all soon > Dennis > From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Jul 28 12:36:06 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:36:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys In-Reply-To: <82.99.03848.950405C4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <82.99.03848.950405C4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <4C507896.5020208@pobox.com> Starting with a stock pulley is a good approach. I made my own pulley and started by doing a little machine work on a stock pulley hub and used. This greatly simplified the part I had to make. I used the bolt on balancer that BFE and others sell. I wanted to make it small to slow down the water pump and alternator, but the size was limited by the harmonic balancer. I wanted to see if I could find a smaller bolt on balancer, but never got around to it. There is a place that specializes in dampers - damper doctor or something like that. Unfortunately, I didn't take any photos of the pulley. I may have some sketches. Larry Young Bob Kramer wrote: > Dennis, > What I think we need is a balancer pulley kit that slows down the water pump > and alternator. I always have trouble visualizing this, but I think smaller > crank pulley slows down the other two? Is this in your plan? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis DeLap > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:19 AM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys > > AMICI - I am working on a narrow belt conversion using the stock TR4/3 crank > pulleys. If any of you have crank pulley pieces and parts that you could > part > with for my experiment - bring them to Topeka. > > See you all soon > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Wed Jul 28 16:00:33 2010 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:00:33 +1000 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? Message-ID: as a business owner, i tread very carefully on non-commercial forums like these. if i manage to create something really unusual that i think would interest others, i might post something to that effect, but then cease any commercial dealings via the forum. there are plenty of other forums/sites where businesses can pay to advertise their wares here in Australia, triumphs have always been a collector/niche market car, with a relatively small "following". Despite the vast size of our country, most enthusiasts, especially historic racers, know each other personally or at least by reputation. we dont have the huge numbers in any one city/state to share experiences with, so forums like this are good repository of knowledge & experience, and especially to find new products or pose a question like "who knows something about XYZ". to the forum moderators, please don't make rules so tight, that some Triumph enthusiast, who happens to be a business owner, feels threatened to tell others about his good idea/product. I would not support any notion that this forum is a place for businesses to actively sell a range of products. Terry O'Beirne. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Jul 28 16:07:09 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:07:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys References: <82.99.03848.950405C4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <4C507896.5020208@pobox.com> Message-ID: Somebody asked about why we just don't use a bigger water pump pulley. the answer is there isn't any room because of the thermostat neck cast into the head. There might be a little room for upsizing but the aftermarket kits all seem to have pretty small water pump pullies. My newest TR4, the ex-Dennis Shea car came with a fluid-dampner modified to fit with a small pulley on the front side. This moved the alternator and water pump pullies forward of the stock location allowing an oversize home-made custom water pump pulley. It also has a FIAT radiator of unknown source. That car can idle in my driveway like a stock TR4. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Young To: Bob Kramer ; FOT ; Dennis DeLap Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys Starting with a stock pulley is a good approach. I made my own pulley and started by doing a little machine work on a stock pulley hub and used. This greatly simplified the part I had to make. I used the bolt on balancer that BFE and others sell. I wanted to make it small to slow down the water pump and alternator, but the size was limited by the harmonic balancer. I wanted to see if I could find a smaller bolt on balancer, but never got around to it. There is a place that specializes in dampers - damper doctor or something like that. Unfortunately, I didn't take any photos of the pulley. I may have some sketches. Larry Young Bob Kramer wrote: Dennis, What I think we need is a balancer pulley kit that slows down the water pump and alternator. I always have trouble visualizing this, but I think smaller crank pulley slows down the other two? Is this in your plan? -----Original Message----- From: Dennis DeLap Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:19 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys AMICI - I am working on a narrow belt conversion using the stock TR4/3 crank pulleys. If any of you have crank pulley pieces and parts that you could part with for my experiment - bring them to Topeka. See you all soon Dennis _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 28 19:21:52 2010 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys In-Reply-To: References: <82.99.03848.950405C4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <4C507896.5020208@pobox.com> Message-ID: <422746.81629.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey guys - sounds like I am doing a similar pulley invention. I am using the stock hub with two of the rear pulley halves. This gives me a smaller pulley diameter using a narrow belt with nice sealing and adjustment options. I am bolting a harmonic balancer to the front of this assembly without using it's belt groove. I'll show you what I have done so far when we get together in Topeka. Dennis Somebody asked about why we just don't use a bigger water pump pulley. the answer is there isn't any room because of the thermostat neck cast into the head. There might be a little room for upsizing but the aftermarket kits all seem to have pretty small water pump pullies. My newest TR4, the ex-Dennis Shea car came with a fluid-dampner modified to fit with a small pulley on the front side. This moved the alternator and water pump pullies forward of the stock location allowing an oversize home-made custom water pump pulley. It also has a FIAT radiator of unknown source. That car can idle in my driveway like a stock TR4. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- >From: Larry Young >To: Bob Kramer ; FOT ; Dennis DeLap >Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 1:36 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys > >Starting with a stock pulley is a good approach. I made my own pulley and >started by doing a little machine work on a stock pulley hub and used. This >greatly simplified the part I had to make. I used the bolt on balancer that BFE >and others sell. I wanted to make it small to slow down the water pump and >alternator, but the size was limited by the harmonic balancer. I wanted to see >if I could find a smaller bolt on balancer, but never got around to it. There >is a place that specializes in dampers - damper doctor or something like that. >Unfortunately, I didn't take any photos of the pulley. I may have some >sketches. >Larry Young > >Bob Kramer wrote: >Dennis, What I think we need is a balancer pulley kit that slows down the water >pump and alternator. I always have trouble visualizing this, but I think smaller >crank pulley slows down the other two? Is this in your plan? -----Original >Message----- From: Dennis DeLap Sent: Wednesday, >July 28, 2010 9:19 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] >Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys AMICI - I am working on a narrow belt conversion >using the stock TR4/3 crank pulleys. If any of you have crank pulley pieces and >parts that you could part with for my experiment - bring them to Topeka. See >you all soon Dennis _______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: >http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: >http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net >http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: >http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Jul 28 20:11:30 2010 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:11:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: well said Terry ! > From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:00:33 +1000 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? > > as a business owner, i tread very carefully on non-commercial forums like > these. if i manage to create something really unusual that i think would > interest others, i might post something to that effect, but then cease any > commercial dealings via the forum. there are plenty of other forums/sites > where businesses can pay to advertise their wares > > here in Australia, triumphs have always been a collector/niche market car, > with a relatively small "following". Despite the vast size of our country, > most enthusiasts, especially historic racers, know each other personally or > at least by reputation. we dont have the huge numbers in any one city/state > to share experiences with, so forums like this are good repository of > knowledge & experience, and especially to find new products or pose a > question like "who knows something about XYZ". > > to the forum moderators, please don't make rules so tight, that some > Triumph enthusiast, who happens to be a business owner, feels threatened to > tell others about his good idea/product. I would not support any notion that > this forum is a place for businesses to actively sell a range of products. > > Terry O'Beirne. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 28 21:11:39 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:11:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] It's a Wonderful List!.... and John Nikas was here today. Message-ID: <8CCFCE2E561C2CF-138-5A3A@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> If it weren't for this list I would not even know John Nikas, much less have him as my guest for the afternoon. John is on the verge of some great news for the Kastner Cup of 2011. When he is ready he will announce the details and dates. If it were not for this list we wouldnt have ANYTHING to talk about. We wouldn't have a Kastner Cup. This list is composed of some very special people. People that want to be on the list. People that dont require rules or forum moderator. People that can state their opinions and ideas without fear of censorship or retribution. Ya, I know, everyone has a 'bad hair day', once in awhile, but we take care of it and get on with it. When I initiated this list, with the help of others, my vision was of 15-20 Triumph Racing Friends corresponding with each other around North America. I had no vision of 300 FOT worldwide. The list has a few warts, but it has been a positive life changing experience for me...perhaps a few others, too. Thank you all. OH YES! John Nikas should be making an announcement at Topeka in August about the 2011 Kastner Cup. Joe Alexander From lfritz82 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 28 21:39:47 2010 From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:39:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 hardtop hold downs Message-ID: Does anyone know where I can get the rear hold down brackets for a TR3 factory hard top. The threaded stands that go under the rear cockpit rail and the chrome covers that go on top. I would like new but used would be ok. Thanks, Lorne _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jul 28 22:19:03 2010 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 04:19:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] It's a Wonderful List!.... and John Nikas was here today. In-Reply-To: <139061562.651787.1280377096664.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1228720774.651796.1280377143480.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I'd probably be a lot less excited about finishing up my TR3 build if it weren't for the FOT. I'd also be much further away from having it done and done right. I'm looking forward to Topeka if even as a spectator, to spend some time with good peeps and a bunch of cool old cars. Thanks, Joe. I'm happy to be part of the group, Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:11:39 PM Subject: [Fot] It's a Wonderful List!.... and John Nikas was here today. If it weren't for this list I would not even know John Nikas, much less have him as my guest for the afternoon. John is on the verge of some great news for the Kastner Cup of 2011. When he is ready he will announce the details and dates. If it were not for this list we wouldnt have ANYTHING to talk about. We wouldn't have a Kastner Cup. This list is composed of some very special people. People that want to be on the list. People that dont require rules or forum moderator. People that can state their opinions and ideas without fear of censorship or retribution. Ya, I know, everyone has a 'bad hair day', once in awhile, but we take care of it and get on with it. When I initiated this list, with the help of others, my vision was of 15-20 Triumph Racing Friends corresponding with each other around North America. I had no vision of 300 FOT worldwide. The list has a few warts, but it has been a positive life changing experience for me...perhaps a few others, too. Thank you all. OH YES! John Nikas should be making an announcement at Topeka in August about the 2011 Kastner Cup. Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jul 28 23:07:10 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:07:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 hardtop hold downs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33e501cb2edb$e66c16b0$0301a8c0@randall> > Does anyone know where I can get the rear hold down brackets > for a TR3 factory > hard top. The threaded stands that go under the rear cockpit > rail and the > chrome covers that go on top. I would like new but used would be ok. TRF has them listed as available. The brackets under the rail are P/N 602326 (5 reqd); the chrome covers are 602938 (2 reqd) and 602939 (3 reqd). https://secure.zeni.net/trf/ There are some other bits & pieces you'll probably want (like the "tapping plates" used to fasten the stands to the body), so I've attached the page from the SPC that lists the parts. TRF doesn't publish a catalog that lists them, but if you look up the factory numbers on their web site, they frequently (although not always) do have the parts in stock. Randall [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of Hardtop parts.pdf] From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed Jul 28 23:57:21 2010 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:57:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Topeka - TR4 crank pulleys References: <82.99.03848.950405C4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com><4C507896.5020208@pobox.com> <422746.81629.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <80EC3A7E81F74EFBBD46742D1930C6EB@your89d26e0447> We have made small diameter crank pulleys in the past that were designed to reduce the water pump and generator speeds by about 1/3. We have never found any advantage in using a narrow fan belt or in installing a "damper". The engineers that we have consulted with in the past have voiced the opinion that a 6 cylinder or a v-8 crank with the rod throws at angles relative to one another that are not 180 degrees develops torsional vibrations that require a damper, but a crank with throws at 180 degrees like our "tractor" engine does not. They have said that a damper on our engines is a waste of time and just extra weight and inertia. Consequently we have never installed dampers unless the owner of the engine insisted. With a good balance job and rods and pistons as light as we can get them, we have had no failures that could be attributed to torsional vibration as long as the revs were kept under 7300 rpm. The way we have made crank pulleys is to start with a standard hub and cut it down and redrill the holes for the pulley to the smallest diameter possible. Then we machined a new pulley to match the new bolt circle. The belt groove was then machined to match the standard generator pulley profile, but with the inside diameter just larger than the new bolt circle that attaches it to the modified hub. This procedure has worked very well for us. In back to back engine dyno testing , at 6,000 rpm on an engine making 165 hp, slowing down the water pump by 1/3 was worth about 6 hp at the flywheel. The top water hose from the thermostat housing was partly a clear glass tube. With the normal water pump speed there are a lot of small water bubbles flowing away from the engine. These are caused by cavitation on the back side of the water pump impeller. Slowing down the pump dramatically reduced the number of air bubbles. This would tend to imply that the water pump is operating more efficiently at the slower speed. The main reason that we did not go to the narrow belt was that we just did not want to go to the trouble of having to change to narrow pullies on the generator and water pump. The wide belts have been very reliable and operate at a very low tension setting so do not put to much side load on the water pump or generator bearings. Greg Solow From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Jul 29 11:01:40 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:01:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirts... again Message-ID: <27466ED6-4E0A-4FEF-88AA-83D887C5483C@earthlink.net> One more call for T-shirt orders. I know of quite a few of you that will be in Topeka haven't ordered yet. You're going to be so jealous you will want to buy one off somebody's back - Mine ain't for sale. My only financial interest is to meet the minimum order number and we're only half way there. Believe me, at $12.50 for a quality shirt with full color silk-screen on both sides, I'm not doing this for the money... sure hope not to loose any. Here are the links and details again. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM Shirt front: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/Picture%201.png Shirt back: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/KastnerBackUse.jpg Sizes S - XL are $12.50 ea. + $1.25 for 2X-5X Shipping will be $3.50. That makes S-XL $16 and 2X-5X $17.25 or pick them up at the track. Full color silk screen on a100% cotton white tee. Be sure to specify the size[s] with your payment. Payment via PayPal to: lunkercars at earthlink.net Send checks to: Lunkercars 323-K Claremont Ave NW Albuquerque NM 87107 If paying by check, please also send me a e-mail so I know the numbers. Thanks. From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Jul 29 11:19:57 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:19:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirts... again In-Reply-To: <27466ED6-4E0A-4FEF-88AA-83D887C5483C@earthlink.net> References: <27466ED6-4E0A-4FEF-88AA-83D887C5483C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3FC985D0-B75C-4BC3-B721-5098E25B6E85@earthlink.net> And P.S. Order cut-off is this Monday the 2nd. For those who have sent your payment, I'll be sending you a confirmation before the order goes in. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jul 29, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer wrote: > One more call for T-shirt orders. I know of quite a few of you that > will be in Topeka haven't ordered yet. You're going to be so jealous > you will want to buy one off somebody's back - Mine ain't for sale. > My only financial interest is to meet the minimum order number and > we're only half way there. Believe me, at $12.50 for a quality shirt > with full color silk-screen on both sides, I'm not doing this for the > money... sure hope not to loose any. > Here are the links and details again. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > > > > > > Shirt front: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/Picture%201.png > > Shirt back: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/KastnerBackUse.jpg > > > Sizes S - XL are $12.50 ea. + $1.25 for 2X-5X > Shipping will be $3.50. That makes S-XL $16 and 2X-5X $17.25 or pick > them up at the track. > > Full color silk screen on a100% cotton white tee. > Be sure to specify the size[s] with your payment. > > > Payment via PayPal to: > lunkercars at earthlink.net > > Send checks to: > Lunkercars > 323-K Claremont Ave NW > Albuquerque NM 87107 > > If paying by check, please also send me a e-mail so I know the > numbers. > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From lfritz82 at hotmail.com Thu Jul 29 21:46:12 2010 From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:46:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 hardtop hold downs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you everyone. I guess I should have looked harder. Just because I couldn't find a listing doesn't mean the parts suppliers don't have them. Lorne > From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:39:47 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] TR3 hardtop hold downs > > Does anyone know where I can get the rear hold down brackets for a TR3 factory > hard top. The threaded stands that go under the rear cockpit rail and the > chrome covers that go on top. I would like new but used would be ok. > Thanks, Lorne > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with > Hotmail. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 > 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lfritz82 at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 From cwnfot at gmail.com Sat Jul 31 08:02:42 2010 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 10:02:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> References: <4C4F387A.1020809@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <00ea01cb30b9$0c63ef30$252bcd90$@com> One of the heartwarming reasons for me to be on this list is to gain knowledge of what innovations are available for our "antique" toys. Particularly the ingenuity of our own membership. Please keep 'em coming. The membership evaluation of the products is invaluable. And when I start cleaning house of my 40 year collection of bits I'll certainly ask guidance from this group before trucking to the recycler! I hate to throw things away but will gladly give them away! (Got a truck, Brad and Sue? Even Andy doesn't want some of this stuff!) Who took the Spitfire stuff Joe B mentions? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Jul 31 18:42:43 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:42:43 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 Brake backing plates Message-ID: Amici, I'm startled to find (or not actually) that I have no brake backing plates for the rotoflex rear suspensions. Anyone have a cheap set laying around? At present I only need one pair but I better buy another set if available... Steve From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Jul 31 19:00:52 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:00:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 Brake backing plates Message-ID: 3 1/8". Large I assume? From herald948 at aol.com Sat Jul 31 20:13:48 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 22:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT: Commerical Posts - YES or NO? In-Reply-To: 29675280 References: 29675280 Message-ID: <8CCFF364F68EAF4-4AAC-196D6@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Clark W. Nicholls ...And when I start cleaning house of my 40 year collection of bits I'll certainly ask guidance from this group before trucking to the recycler! I hate to throw things away but will gladly give them away! (Got a truck, Brad and Sue? Even Andy doesn't want some of this stuff!) ==AM== Shocking...and true, but only because I might be "downsizing" somewhat. Besides, of late the number of Spitfire gearboxes underfoot in the barn has become a standing joke with my son. OTOH, he's come to appreciate my ability to go into the barn to find something I need for the Herald, and he not so secretly wishes he were able to do that with his '81 Subaru! :) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From deweerdm at rogers.com Sat Jul 31 21:38:53 2010 From: deweerdm at rogers.com (MIKE DEWEERD) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering Message-ID: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello list. I'm looking for any advice on how to get my TR4 to corner better. It seems to under-steer immensely. I am now in the process of changing front springs and shocks because as I put heat into the tires, the car would dive down when I turn the wheel to the left twice as much as when I turn to the right.(so I figured the left spring to be weak). I have no idea of the age of the shocks or springs. I find that when entering a tight turn the car will continue straight no matter how much I turn the wheel and when the car slows down enough the front will then turn quite quickly and I have to counter-steer (straighten) the wheel. This makes turns seem jerky and unsafe to other racers. I have a welded rear live axle. (which just broke in the last race) and I noticed my "new" front Hoosiers are pretty much done after 4 races while the back still look new. Now perhaps it's just me and I have to learn to drive slower into tight turns while the MGB's fly past me, or I need to look at something in the front end? the car has 1/16 th to 1/8 toe in. the steering rack is tight, it has poly bushing through out the front end Any ideas would be appreciated, Thank you Mike From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Jul 31 22:01:51 2010 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 00:01:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering In-Reply-To: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A bit more info may be helpful. What tires are you running? What is the camber set up of the front suspension? What size anti-roll bars are you running? What cold tire pressures? Corner weights? Terry Stetler. From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Jul 31 22:14:10 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 23:14:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering In-Reply-To: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100801041343.08C0718764B@autox.team.net> The standard fix is a bit counter intuitive - pretty stiff front springs and a fairly large front anti-roll bar. Normally, stiffening the springs and putting in a stiffer bar will cause the end of the car you've done that on to have LESS grip, but not the TR-4 with it's interesting front end geometry. Another thing to try is to adjust the tire pressures front to rear. I can get my car to push with a 2 psi change in rear tire pressure. Dropping the rear pressure (again, counter intuitive) will allow the rear of the car to rotate more - at least that's what it does on mine. With the Speedsters, I run 25 psi front and 23 rear cold. In general, understeer is NOT my problem, sometimes it's just the opposite - I need to bump the rears up a half a PSI to keep from too much oversteer. However, I don't run a locked rear end, I run a Detroit Locker. Under power it's a locked rear but off the power the rear is open. Locked rears cause initial understeer until you get the rear sliding a little. Also, check your brake bias - having more rear brake helps slow the car and also helps rotate it (to a point). TOO much rear brake makes it want to go off the road backwards. - Tony Drews At 10:38 PM 7/31/2010, MIKE DEWEERD wrote: >Hello list. >I'm looking for any advice on how to get my TR4 to corner better. It seems to >under-steer immensely. > I am now in the process of changing front springs and shocks because as I >put heat into the tires, the car would dive down when I turn the wheel to the >left twice as much as when I turn to the right.(so I figured the left spring >to be weak). I have no idea of the age of the shocks or springs. > I find that when entering a tight turn the car will continue straight no >matter how much I turn the wheel and when the car slows down enough the front >will then turn quite quickly and I have to counter-steer (straighten) the >wheel. This makes turns seem jerky and unsafe to other racers. > I have a welded rear live axle. (which just broke in the last race) and I >noticed my "new" front Hoosiers are pretty much done after 4 races while the >back still look new. > Now perhaps it's just me and I have to learn to drive slower into > tight turns >while the MGB's fly past me, or I need to look at something in the front end? >the car has 1/16 th to 1/8 toe in. the steering rack is tight, it has poly >bushing through out the front end > >Any ideas would be appreciated, Thank you >Mike >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From horizonracing at msn.com Sat Jul 31 22:32:30 2010 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:32:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering In-Reply-To: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Live axle car: check the front Spring rates (4-500lbs is a good starting point),That the ride height is Lower than the rear( A arms are parallel to the level ground) That the sway bar is not seized in the pillar blocks (3/4-7/8 dia), are the shocks working the same ? and IMHO, the welded diff needs to go. The quick steer rack is worth the dollars spent and I've added a 1/2 rear sway bar to help with turn in as the TR 4 is or does have a lazy turn in. I prefer a pointy or crisp turn in. Using Hoosier speedster tires & yok. 048's. Every car/driver has there own preference and only testing different bars/springs/shocks will get you were you need to go... the way you want it. cheers & good luck Tony > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:38:53 -0700 > From: deweerdm at rogers.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering > > Hello list. > I'm looking for any advice on how to get my TR4 to corner better. It seems to > under-steer immensely. > I am now in the process of changing front springs and shocks because as I > put heat into the tires, the car would dive down when I turn the wheel to the > left twice as much as when I turn to the right.(so I figured the left spring > to be weak). I have no idea of the age of the shocks or springs. > I find that when entering a tight turn the car will continue straight no > matter how much I turn the wheel and when the car slows down enough the front > will then turn quite quickly and I have to counter-steer (straighten) the > wheel. This makes turns seem jerky and unsafe to other racers. > I have a welded rear live axle. (which just broke in the last race) and I > noticed my "new" front Hoosiers are pretty much done after 4 races while the > back still look new. > Now perhaps it's just me and I have to learn to drive slower into tight turns > while the MGB's fly past me, or I need to look at something in the front end? > the car has 1/16 th to 1/8 toe in. the steering rack is tight, it has poly > bushing through out the front end > > Any ideas would be appreciated, Thank you > Mike > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com