From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Fri Jan  1 07:03:41 2010
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 01:03:41 +1100
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery
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Henry,

Happy New Year to you also!

 

I have a very similar system to yourself as you described. I too fitted a
bleed port on the thermostat housing to minimize air in the system. I am
sort of wondering now why no one has looked at designing an extended filler
neck arrangement to replace the thermostat housing? Maybe this will fix the
2 glaring issue with the current stock setup of too low a fill point and air
bleeding? I started thinking about this option today when I sat down and
looked at all the components etc. I would need to fit a recovery system.
Maybe the filler neck will do the job nicely and save allot of plumbing! 

 

Cheers.

 

 

 

 

From: Henry Frye [mailto:henry at henryfrye.com] 
Sent: Friday, 1 January 2010 9:06 PM
To: Peter Vucinic
Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery

 

Peter,

I don't think there is a concensus on coolant system plumbing. I have seen
successful installations that range from what appears to be quite stock to
much more radical approaches than you are describing.

I guess it all depends on how much power you are making and how hard you
drive it.

I make as much power as the rest of the fast TR's in the east and mid-west
USA, and drive very hard. Fastest and first in class TR4 at the Kastner Cup
race in 2008 at Watkins Glen. Here's what I do...

I block off water passages in the front of the head to direct more flow to
the back of the block, run an oversized radiator with a stock recovery
overflow bottle, a 16 pound radiator cap, no expansion tank and have plugs
in the heater box tap and heater pipe outlet in the water pump. I installed
a petcock in the thermostat housing to purge air from the system when
filling, and run a 185 degree thermostat to keep enough heat in the engine
no matter what season I am racing in. Works great.

I know it's old news for you guys down under, but Happy New Year!

Henry Frye  -  Sent from Phone
Triumph Technology Consultants
860.508.3118 (C) - 860.653.3118 (O)


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From: Peter Vucinic <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 6:01 AM
To: FOT at autox.team.net <FOT at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery

Lister's,



I believe that we have already seen a few threads on this subject. But I am
seeking general consensus on the plumbing/routing of coolant lines to and
from a coolant system recovery/expansion tank/bottle for the TR4.



Obviously I am making the following assumptions: -

1.    Expansion/recovery tank will be mounted higher than the cylinder head.
Say, on the firewall next to the battery

2.    Existing Radiator cap to be of the fixed/closed type

3.    Coolant system over pressure will now be controlled by radiator cap
fitted to expansion/recovery tank

4.    Coolant total loss will now occur at the expansion tank due to over
pressure



My questions are: -

1.    Are any of you already running a system such as the above? Successful
in controlling air into the coolant circuit/system?

2.    Where is the most appropriate connection to the coolant expansion
recovery tank made? E.g. At the heater tap port and the back of the water
pump? Thermostat housing? Radiator top hose/port?

3.    Do you have an air bleed orifice/port in this cooling circuit/system
as well?





Thanks in advance





Kind Regards

Peter Vucinic

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Jan  1 08:12:59 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 09:12:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery
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I would suggest NOT running any lines from the block / head to a tank 
with a normal radiator cap.  The block pressure is well above the 
radiator pressure - the thermostat housing is the orifice that keeps 
the block pressure high.  Jack installed a radiator cap at the top of 
the thermostat housing and kept losing all of his coolant through the 
radiator cap's bypass until we figured this out and plugged the 
bypass vent.  So the rad cap in the thermostat housing was just a 
means of filling the engine and was completely sealed once 
filled.  We still used the radiator's cap for venting down to a 
reasonable pressure.

If you use an expansion tank and tie it to the heater port in the 
head, 30+ psi water from the head will pressurize the tank.  With the 
pressure controlled as you describe I predict that you will loose 
coolant due to this overpressurization.

- Tony Drews

At 11:10 PM 12/31/2009, Peter Vucinic wrote:
>Lister's,
>
>
>
>I believe that we have already seen a few threads on this subject. But I am
>seeking general consensus on the plumbing/routing of coolant lines to and
>from a coolant system recovery/expansion tank/bottle for the TR4.
>
>
>
>Obviously I am making the following assumptions: -
>
>1.    Expansion/recovery tank will be mounted higher than the cylinder head.
>Say, on the firewall next to the battery
>
>2.    Existing Radiator cap to be of the fixed/closed type
>
>3.    Coolant system over pressure will now be controlled by radiator cap
>fitted to expansion/recovery tank
>
>4.    Coolant total loss will now occur at the expansion tank due to over
>pressure
>
>
>
>My questions are: -
>
>1.    Are any of you already running a system such as the above? Successful
>in controlling air into the coolant circuit/system?
>
>2.    Where is the most appropriate connection to the coolant expansion
>recovery tank made? E.g. At the heater tap port and the back of the water
>pump? Thermostat housing? Radiator top hose/port?
>
>3.    Do you have an air bleed orifice/port in this cooling circuit/system
>as well?
>
>
>
>
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>
>
>
>
>Kind Regards
>
>Peter Vucinic
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Fri Jan  1 08:42:44 2010
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 07:42:44 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery
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Good  Morning and Happy New Year to All, Peter, my exp. tank is mounted high 
on the firewall. There are four lines comeing from said tank, the lowest one 
is a 1 1/4 in. which goes to a tee in the water pump to lower rad. hose. 
Next up on tank is a 5/16 line to rad. neck, third one up is a 5/16 line 
which goes to a hand built low profile stat houseing, ( no stat used ) and 
the forth line up is a 3/8 hose to a catch can, never an issue with any air 
in system, my problem is the car runs to cold so i'm trying to locate an 
inline thermostat at top rad. hose, tired of screwing around with cardboard, 
hope this info. helps......Mark Pendy #65 tr4
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From: "Peter Vucinic" <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 9:10 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery


> Lister's,
>
>
>
> I believe that we have already seen a few threads on this subject. But I 
> am
> seeking general consensus on the plumbing/routing of coolant lines to and
> from a coolant system recovery/expansion tank/bottle for the TR4.
>
>
>
> Obviously I am making the following assumptions: -
>
> 1.    Expansion/recovery tank will be mounted higher than the cylinder 
> head.
> Say, on the firewall next to the battery
>
> 2.    Existing Radiator cap to be of the fixed/closed type
>
> 3.    Coolant system over pressure will now be controlled by radiator cap
> fitted to expansion/recovery tank
>
> 4.    Coolant total loss will now occur at the expansion tank due to over
> pressure
>
>
>
> My questions are: -
>
> 1.    Are any of you already running a system such as the above? 
> Successful
> in controlling air into the coolant circuit/system?
>
> 2.    Where is the most appropriate connection to the coolant expansion
> recovery tank made? E.g. At the heater tap port and the back of the water
> pump? Thermostat housing? Radiator top hose/port?
>
> 3.    Do you have an air bleed orifice/port in this cooling circuit/system
> as well?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Sat Jan  2 10:03:29 2010
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:03:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Happy New Year and new salvage arrivals.
Message-ID: <4B3F7C61.5030907@bright.net>

Happy New Year to the list.  2010 already - time sure flies  when you're 
having fun.  With the recent discussion of using TR6 front suspension 
components, thought some of our  recent salvage arrivals might be of 
interest. We just got in 3 TR6 parts cars in the last 2 weeks. Plenty of 
front suspensions, gearboxes, differentials, etc. Also a stack of 
TR3.TR4 short blocks. 

We just did another run of our uprated TR springs.  TR3 - 6 fronts and 
TR4AIRS - TR6 rears.  We produce a large portion of the uprated springs 
sold in the country.  Accurate within +/- 2% (tightest tolerance in the 
industry) and guaranteed not to set or sag.  Many of the coil springs we 
rate checked, especially UK made, will vary as much as 10%. We supply 
these in both stock and 1" shorter free length. Rates are 20% firmer in 
front and 25% firmer in rear.  We can also tell you how much to cut if 
you want to raise the spring rate - 1/8 of a coil = 8# rate increase.  
This is only true on our springs.. 

To all who gave the great compliments on our gear reduction starters, 
thank you. For those of you who do not yet have one or are going to add 
a "spare", we will do a FOT January gear reduction starter sale. Order 
any of our starters, except Rover V8, for $179.95.  $20 off the regular 
price.  TR 3 and TR4 owners, be sure to specify bolt-on or press on ring 
gear when ordering.  Sale ends Feb 1. You must specify FOT starter sale 
when ordering. 

Please visit our website for new items, new product announcements and more.
Thanks, Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Jan  2 17:32:05 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:32:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Such a deal!
Message-ID: <4B3FE585.5070407@bradakis.com>

Gee, only a day to go and still under $1,000 - just what everyone needs!


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-TR-6_W0QQitemZ120511866213QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item1c0f112565



mjb.

From billb at bnj.com  Sat Jan  2 18:24:45 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:24:45 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Such a deal!
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Ukk, I could have gone all day without looking at that dead possum. I love the
part where the owner says "all major work has been done" and all that
rotisserie motor needs is a carburetor!
On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:

> Gee, only a day to go and still under $1,000 - just what everyone needs!
>
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-TR-6_W0QQitemZ120511866213QQcmdZViewIt
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Jan  2 18:33:00 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 18:33:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Such a deal!
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I guess there are just not too many people interested in buying a Vitesse
titled as a TR6 and Powered by a Mazda Rotary engine.

Joe

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Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 5:32 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] Such a deal!

Gee, only a day to go and still under $1,000 - just what everyone needs!


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temQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item1c0f112565



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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  2 18:35:26 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:35:26 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Such a deal!
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Hmm, it says 300HP Mazda rotary.

~Steve


On Jan 2, 2010, at 4:32 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:

> Gee, only a day to go and still under $1,000 - just what everyone  
> needs!
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-TR-6_W0QQitemZ120511866213QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item1c0f112565
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Jan  2 18:40:36 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:40:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Such a deal!
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Message-ID: <4B3FF594.6090706@bradakis.com>

By the way, the car is here in Salt Lake.  He had it listed on a local
classified for $4500.

If you want me to go look at it, uh, I'll be busy that day, I need to
wax my socks and check the Honda's muffler fluid.

mjb.

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan  3 02:59:35 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:59:35 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Photo update
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Hi guys,

I've updated my webpage with some photos.
Most of them are my car related.

http://www.tr4-racing.de/deu/gallery2009.html

Cheers
Chris

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan  3 08:11:52 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:11:52 +0100
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
In-Reply-To: <8CC0E709639F5C7-18D8-1FCE3@webmail-d068.sysops.aol.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu><3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
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I've several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers.
What does they indicate?

Cheers
Chris

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Jan  3 10:03:22 2010
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:03:22 EST
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
Message-ID: <bbf.64a5d92c.387227da@aol.com>

Racing classes.  D Production, E Production.  Loosely based on  
displacement.EP was 2000 cc, DP was 2500 etc.
 
Other examples would start with F for Formula cars as FF=Formula Ford or FA 
 for Formula Atlantic.  I'm sure you could get all of the current classes  
and details from an SCCA website or rulebook.
 
 
In a message dated 1/3/2010 8:50:10 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:

I've  several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers.
What does  they  indicate?

Cheers
Chris
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From cwnfot at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 10:09:04 2010
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:09:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
In-Reply-To: <000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>
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In SCCA racing they are P for Production classes
AP (A Production) is the fastest class, Big-block Corvettes for instance
B
C
D
E
F 1300-1500 Spitfires
G 1147 Spitfires
H is slowest (948 Sprites for instance, a friend runs an old VW Scirocco
here)

I'm not 100% sure what is in what class anymore, these things keep changing!

>From the SCCA.com site:
PRODUCTION

Series produced cars, which are allowed a range of performance modifications
while retaining their original design, structure and drive layout. There is
no age limit, such as Showroom Stock, so Production includes many cars as
old as 50 years and as new as current body styles. The four performance
potential based classes include: E Production (EP), F Production (FP) and H
Production (HP). 

EP is the fastest of the Production classes with HP running the slowest in
the category. Several cars in the Production classes can be run in more than
one class, just by changing the engine between races. The ease of engine
changes allows many Production drivers to enter more than one class at the
Runoffs each year. Cars included in Production classes come from a diverse
group ranging from the MG Midget, Turner, Fiat X1/9, Alfa Romeo Spyder,
Austin Healey Sprite, and Lotus Super 7 to the BMW 325, Mazda Miata, RX-7,
Nissan 240, Honda Civic, Suzuki Swift GTI and Toyota MR-2.

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
"Reality, it's not what you think."

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jan  3 10:11:21 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 09:11:21 -0800
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
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Chris, here is a list of cars and classifications for my race group.
Hope the formatting looks correct, I cut and pasted this and sent it
from my mac.


PRODUCTION (P) CLASSIFICATION
Guideline list for cars through 1972 effective  1/1/2004

AP
Cobra 427
4/8/2009
http://www.vararacing.com/RulebookNew.html
Cobra 289 with Webers
Corvette big block
Corvette Gran Sport
Shelby GT500

AP3
AMX 390
1968-1972 Corvette 427
1968-1972 Boss Mustang 429

BP
Corvette 327
Cobra 289
Shelby GT350
Jaguar XKE
Sunbeam Tiger

BP3
1968-1972 Corvette small block

CP
Alfa GTZ
Corvette up to 1962 with 327
Ginetta G4 1500cc pushrod
Lotus Elan 1558cc
Lotus S7  1600cc pushrod
Morgan Super Sport
Jaguar all except XKE
Porsche 911 2 liter
Porsche 904  2 liter

CP3
Datsun 240Z  2.4 liter
Porsche 914-6 Up to 2.4 liter
Porsche 911  2.4 liter

DP
Alfa Spider up to 2 liter
Austin Healy Sprite up to 1381cc max
Corvette up to 1960 with 265/283
Page 28of 62
VARA, Vintage Auto Racing Association, Vintage Auto Racing,
4/8/2009
http://www.vararacing.com/RulebookNew.htmlPage 28of 62
VARA, Vintage Auto Racing Association, Vintage Auto Racing,

Elva Courier with B type engine
Fiat 124 spider up to 2 liters
Daimler V-8
Datsun 2000
Ginetta 1300cc
Lotus 7 1500ohv  non cross-flow
MG Midget up to 1381cc max
Porsche 914-4 up to 2 liter
Porsche 912 up to 2 liter
Turner 1500ohv
Triumph GT6
Triumph TR6/TR250
Triumph TR4/4A
Triumph Spitfire 1300 &1500
TVR 1800
Volvo P1800 up to 2 liter

EP
Alfa Spider 1600cc
Alfa Duetto 1600cc and 1750cc
Austin Healy 100-6/3000
Austin Healy Sprite 1275cc
Elva Courier 1622 original type engine
Fiat 124 spider up to 1688cc
Ginetta 1000cc
Lotus Europa 1470cc
MGB/MGB GTMGA with B engine
MG Midget 1275cc
Morgan +4 up to 2.2 liter
Porsche 912 up to 1725cc
Porsche 914-4 1700cc
Porsche 356 up to 1725cc
Sabra 1500cc
Triumph TR2/3  2200cc
TVR 1622cc
Turner 1500 with single downdraft, non cross-flow
Volvo P1800  1800cc

FP
Arnolt/Bristol
Alfa Guila 1600cc with 4 wheel drum brakes
Alfa Giulietta Spider 1300cc
Austin Healy 100-4
Datsun 1500 & 1600 roadster
Lotus 7 America 948cc & 997cc
MGA 1622cc & twin cam
Morgan 4/4 MKV
Porsche 356 up to 1600cc with drum brakes
Sunbeam Alpine 1725cc
Triumph Spitfire 1147cc
Triumph TR2/3  2000cc


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4/8/2009
http://www.vararacing.com/RulebookNew.html
GP
Abarth OT1000
Abarth Berlina Corsa 982cc/1050cc
Alfa Giulietta 1300 with 4 wheel drum brakes
Austin Healy Sprite 1098cc
MG Midget 1098cc
Mini 1098/1071cc
Morris Minor 1098cc
NSU TT 1100cc
Porsche 1300
Sunbeam Alpine 1592cc/1494cc
Turner 950S
VW Karmman Gia and Bug 1200cc

HP
Austin Healy Sprite 948cc
BMW 700
Fiat Abarth 750cc/850cc
Fiat 850 sedan and spider 850cc/903ccFiat 1200 spider
MG TC/TD/TF
Mini 850/998
NSU TTS 996cc
Panhard sedans
Saab 850 sedans  850cc/998cc
Sunbeam IMP

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On Jan 3, 2010, at 7:11 AM, MadMarx wrote:

> I've several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers.
> What does they indicate?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sun Jan  3 10:36:04 2010
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 09:36:04 -0800
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu><3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com><876CF187-9365-4878-9A81-EC417FDDFF65@earthlink.net><8CC0E709639F5C7-18D8-1FCE3@webmail-d068.sysops.aol.com>
	<000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>
Message-ID: <26939103DDE64D7EBB6C8ABA2D233C25@desktop>

Chris, to help explain the extensions, they are SCCA (Sports Car Club of 
America) designations given to cars for classification for racing.  The 'P' 
is for production, and some cars may have a 'S' for sedans.  The first 
letter is the division of that classification being the 'A' would be the 
highest.  As far as how they got the division, I'm not sure if it was 
assigned according to speed or if the manufacturer lobbied for the class.
I have heard of cars changing classes to be more competitive.
It is not a designation of engine size as some cars with larger engines go 
to a lower class and some cars with smaller engines go to a higher class.
  see this link for a explanation of which cars are what 
(http://www.sovren.org/competition/rules/pcs/PCS69%20Index.htm  or 
http://www.sovren.org/competition/rules/gcr/HTML%20gcr_69.html  )
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44CP

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:11 AM
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on


> I've several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers.
> What does they indicate?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Sun Jan  3 10:41:35 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 09:41:35 -0800
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
In-Reply-To: <000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>
Message-ID: <3B4CCDD4E08C4C79B24C154C5F9D83B2@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Chris

It's a car classification designation.  The P stands for a Production car
and the first letter is a grouping by performance potential.  In the old
days, these used to go from AP down to HP and many vintage organizations
still use those designations.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:12 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on


I've several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers. What
does they indicate?

Cheers
Chris
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From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jan  3 11:17:45 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 08:17:45 -1000
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
In-Reply-To: <000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu><3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
	<876CF187-9365-4878-9A81-EC417FDDFF65@earthlink.net>
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	<000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>
Message-ID: <73EDD59F-DCEC-4E71-A627-39CF73B59E44@bnj.com>

They are SCCA (Sports Car Club of America) classifications. P means
production, the D and E reflect the performance potential of the car. In
theory (or at least in the sports racer categories, like DSR which means D
Sports racer) it's based on engine size, with D being 1 liter and E being two.
In practice it has more to do with what the rules committee had for breakfast
and who owns the ox that is being gored.

TR3's are usually EP, Peyote is EM which means E Modified.

On Jan 3, 2010, at 5:11 AM, MadMarx wrote:

> I've several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers.
> What does they indicate?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From billbab at me.com  Sun Jan  3 11:28:38 2010
From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 08:28:38 -1000
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
In-Reply-To: <73EDD59F-DCEC-4E71-A627-39CF73B59E44@bnj.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
	<3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
	<876CF187-9365-4878-9A81-EC417FDDFF65@earthlink.net>
	<8CC0E709639F5C7-18D8-1FCE3@webmail-d068.sysops.aol.com>
	<000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>
	<73EDD59F-DCEC-4E71-A627-39CF73B59E44@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <7B71E089-D52B-4100-B495-DFEE51142323@me.com>

Oops, I said that wrong, in the SR classes ESR really no longer exists except in other sanctioning bodies, and there it's usually 850 cc, though that varies too. The sizes (or more correctly, performance potentials) go from A (biggest) to H (smallest). As you'll see from the other replies, these rules are complicated, as you would expect any rule that started out too simple (engine size) and later was tweaked frequently to try to keep race classes reasonably competitive across marques.  

 
On Jan 3, 2010, at 8:17 AM, Bill Babcock wrote:

> They are SCCA (Sports Car Club of America) classifications. P means production, the D and E reflect the performance potential of the car. In theory (or at least in the sports racer categories, like DSR which means D Sports racer) it's based on engine size, with D being 1 liter and E being two. In practice it has more to do with what the rules committee had for breakfast and who owns the ox that is being gored. 
> 
> TR3's are usually EP, Peyote is EM which means E Modified. 
> 
> On Jan 3, 2010, at 5:11 AM, MadMarx wrote:
> 
>> I've several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers.
>> What does they indicate?
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan  3 12:28:15 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:28:15 +0100
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
In-Reply-To: <7B71E089-D52B-4100-B495-DFEE51142323@me.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
	<3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
	<876CF187-9365-4878-9A81-EC417FDDFF65@earthlink.net>
	<8CC0E709639F5C7-18D8-1FCE3@webmail-d068.sysops.aol.com>
	<000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>
	<73EDD59F-DCEC-4E71-A627-39CF73B59E44@bnj.com>
	<7B71E089-D52B-4100-B495-DFEE51142323@me.com>
Message-ID: <000601ca8caa$e8d89f00$ba89dd00$@com>

So the only difficulty is to find out what performance potential the car
has. Who does judge this?
And is there a way alter the classification?


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:billbab at me.com]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Januar 2010 19:29
An: Bill Babcock
Cc: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] EP DP and so on

Oops, I said that wrong, in the SR classes ESR really no longer exists
except in other sanctioning bodies, and there it's usually 850 cc, though
that varies too. The sizes (or more correctly, performance potentials) go
from A (biggest) to H (smallest). As you'll see from the other replies,
these rules are complicated, as you would expect any rule that started out
too simple (engine size) and later was tweaked frequently to try to keep
race classes reasonably competitive across marques.


On Jan 3, 2010, at 8:17 AM, Bill Babcock wrote:

> They are SCCA (Sports Car Club of America) classifications. P means
production, the D and E reflect the performance potential of the car. In
theory (or at least in the sports racer categories, like DSR which means D
Sports racer) it's based on engine size, with D being 1 liter and E being
two. In practice it has more to do with what the rules committee had for
breakfast and who owns the ox that is being gored.
>
> TR3's are usually EP, Peyote is EM which means E Modified.
>
> On Jan 3, 2010, at 5:11 AM, MadMarx wrote:
>
>> I've several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers.
>> What does they indicate?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
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>>
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Sun Jan  3 12:50:14 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:50:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC content, scale model running chevy V-8
Message-ID: <000b01ca8cad$f89ed4b0$e9dc7e10$@com>

For those running out of things to do on their race car.

 

Tim

 

 

World's smallest running Chevy V-8 motor
 
     He  did it all on a Bridgeport milling 
machine.  
 
    After viewing all of the pictures, be sure  to catch both of the 
film clips of it actually  running.
 
    http://www.moyermade.com/chevyV8.html

From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jan  3 15:19:22 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:19:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Bobby Whitehead
Message-ID: <639576.19101.qm@web180712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

TEST...


my emails haven't been getting out....    


checking

From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jan  3 15:20:16 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:20:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: triumph pistons/ rods
Message-ID: <310170.63600.qm@web180703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
To: FoT Triumph <fot-request at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, December 27, 2009 9:49:39 PM
Subject: triumph pistons/ rods


Is it worth the extra expense for forged pitsons and rods in a GT6 race car if it's a vinatge raced outting 6-7 weekends a year?

Bobby Whitehead, not, Bill Gates...

From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jan  3 15:20:51 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:20:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: new member recommendation
Message-ID: <141542.99512.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
To:
FoT Triumph <fot-request at autox.team.net>
Cc: David Bonito
<triumphracing2 at aol.com>
Sent: Thu, December 24, 2009 4:27:53 PM
Subject: new
member recommendation


I would like to recommend a new member to FoT.

David
Bonito ///  triumphracing2 at aol.com

He has raced SCCA with his TR6, sells some
cool stuff on his website, and eBay... really knowledgable Triumph guy for the
forum.

Yeah he's in Geooorgia and sells some really nice race prepared stuff
and seems to know a ton about the cars and race prep...


I would like to wish
all my friends, seen and un-seen , a very Merry Christmas...   we're getting
HAMMERED with snow in North Texas for Christmas Eve.. almost a little God send
...  I needed an acknowledgement form the Big Man... as usual, He came
through...

and to all a good night....


Bobby Whitehead
1970 TRIUMPHGT6+
CVAR GP7 DP

From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jan  3 15:21:28 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:21:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: GT6 build
Message-ID: <85807.72382.qm@web180711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
To:
FoT Triumph <fot-request at autox.team.net>
Cc: David Bonito
<triumphracing2 at aol.com>
Sent: Wed, December 23, 2009 10:44:07 AM
Subject: GT6
build


putting parts together for my 'spare' engine for the race car... 
there's a guy David Bonito ( triumphracing2 at aol.com ) I've bought some parts
from. He's directed me towards the PI head that apparently came on a few GT6's
for some reason and I happened to have one... ref: eBay 350288944226 ... I've
bought his SS valves and Crane Cam Springs, as I want to do the head first,
then the block.
My next quest is a race cam, lifters, and push rods. TSI? Who
can help with a purchase on these? I'm shooting for stability and power, maybe
12.5 to 1 compression.    Years ago I bought a set of GT6 pistons and rods on
eBay...   they are 20 over POP UP pistons. Anybody used the pop up pistons in
a race car? I thought (sophomore thinking) that with the pop up pistons and
the PI head with the larger combustion chamber I could have the start of an
engine build... I do have several blocks laying around..  complete... looking
for some help if you guys have the time...
Merry Christmas to all....  Bobby
Whitehead 1970GT6+ DP CVAR...

From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jan  3 15:22:12 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:22:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: building a new engine
Message-ID: <121244.52986.qm@web180704.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
To: FoT Triumph <fot-request at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 7:47:18 AM
Subject: building a new engine


After another season on my GT6 I'm considering building another, or spare, racing engine for the GT6. I would say I'm rather a novice at all of the ends and outs as I know a lot of you guys and gals can talk clearances and setups in your sleep.
I have one of Kastner's books on engine preparation (the little red book) and I've read it back and forth dozens of times in the last twenty years. However, with such a build idea from the past with relations to current ideas like forged pistons, Carillo rods, ceramic coatings and the such... I'm wondering, should I spring for some of the high end stuff like pistons and rods, or would I be better off sticking to the old school methods and going forward.
Kas obviously built some of the best stuff for the time in his era, but I know a couple of fast guys in small cars are doing some high end stuff now days and it shows at the race track.
My little GT6+ has had no engine issues although my MSD died at the track this month. I was smart enough to know I'd seen someone else loose one at a meet and had a spare in my trailer, which kept me racing this past weekend. All is well with the GT6 engine, it's just starting to show a little less oil pressure. I think I've got another season on it, I hope. 
thanks FoT for the forum, 
Bobby Whitehead
DP CVAR GT6+ 

From adams910 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 16:28:38 2010
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:28:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
In-Reply-To: <000601ca8caa$e8d89f00$ba89dd00$@com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
	<3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
	<876CF187-9365-4878-9A81-EC417FDDFF65@earthlink.net>
	<8CC0E709639F5C7-18D8-1FCE3@webmail-d068.sysops.aol.com>
	<000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>
	<73EDD59F-DCEC-4E71-A627-39CF73B59E44@bnj.com>
	<7B71E089-D52B-4100-B495-DFEE51142323@me.com>
	<000601ca8caa$e8d89f00$ba89dd00$@com>
Message-ID: <673993c51001031528j17dde7a4h3e78a9227f96ee1@mail.gmail.com>

There are 3 Production classes left in SCCA, EP, FP, and HP. There are also
GT1-3 and GTL. Apparently sometime in the 80's, the then current BOD thought
it would be wise to make consolidate all the Sedan and Production classes
into Silhouette, tube based chassis cars.  I think they figured that it
would be cheaper for people to keep buying new car chassis, only to
re-engineer half the cars. For one reason or another they stopped half way
through.

Christian,

The problem is they don't. SCCA's GT and Improved Touring classes use a
formula because all cars are held to the same modification parameters. In
SCCA Production there are 3 prep levels, "Full Prep" "Limited Prep" and some
cars are a combination "f.p. chassis with l.p. motors".


Generally the older British Leyland and Italian cars are full prep
(basically do anything to the chassis but keeping the stock floor pan and
fire wall, and you can modify the motors all you want as long as you use the
stock head, block, and a specified carb/fuel injection)


 The more modern cars from the 80's and 90's are limited prep, which use
similar rules to SCCA's Improved Touring classes, but with some allowments
(chassis mods are limited to stock suspension pick up points, and motors are
restricted in porting, compression and cam lift).


Confused yet? Because it gets better.


In an interest to make cars more competitive in different production classes
due to class consolidations, some cars are allowed motor swaps. There are
also different weight penalties for different types of gear boxes used
(stock, stock with dog gears, or aftermarket trans), brakes, etc. The list
goes on.


Generally they try to class cars based on the cars performance in other
classes, and then kind of make guesses as to how fast it will be with the
allowable "production mods". They also balance the different makes and
models based on individual's own efforts.

The l.p. rule set has brought in some fresh blood to the classes, and in
particular thanks to manufacturer contingency support and marque popularity
Mazda Miata's and Honda (Integra's, CRX's, Preludes) have allowed EP and FP
large fields. HP is on the downward spiral and is suffering from a bit
talent drain right now.

From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sun Jan  3 16:39:07 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:39:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fw: new member recommendation
In-Reply-To: <141542.99512.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <141542.99512.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A7334479892041C49CADFA878515D50F@your4dacd0ea75>

Sounds like David will fit in with this bunch...I'll second...WELCOME David.

Paul MacDonald

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead
Sent: January 3, 2010 5:21 PM
To: FoT Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Fw: new member recommendation

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
To:
FoT Triumph <fot-request at autox.team.net>
Cc: David Bonito
<triumphracing2 at aol.com>
Sent: Thu, December 24, 2009 4:27:53 PM
Subject: new
member recommendation


I would like to recommend a new member to FoT.

David
Bonito ///  triumphracing2 at aol.com

He has raced SCCA with his TR6, sells some
cool stuff on his website, and eBay... really knowledgable Triumph guy for
the
forum.

Yeah he's in Geooorgia and sells some really nice race prepared stuff
and seems to know a ton about the cars and race prep...


I would like to wish
all my friends, seen and un-seen , a very Merry Christmas...   we're getting
HAMMERED with snow in North Texas for Christmas Eve.. almost a little God
send
...  I needed an acknowledgement form the Big Man... as usual, He came
through...

and to all a good night....


Bobby Whitehead
1970 TRIUMPHGT6+
CVAR GP7 DP
You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com

http://www.fot-racing.com


Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

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From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jan  3 17:00:25 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:00:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] emails and posts
Message-ID: <206738.12064.qm@web180702.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

After I figured out my FoT email address was wrong, I posted some older posts referencing David and my GT6 ( DP ) engine build...so, a belated Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all my pals on FoT!!
Racing with the Corinthian Vintage Racing group last November, I was on hand when one of my fellow racers, Herb Hilton ( Pinnacle Racing ) somehow got off track and AIRBORN upside down at least 6 feet in the air. Now, Herb, who is very very fast and well prepared in his now totaled Sprite Midget ( Spridget ) is kind of admired and looked up to in my group and club... fortunately all his safety gear worked even though he landed upside down too.
It made me acutely aware that ANY of us who race can find ourselves in a dangerous or fatal situation. When I purchased my GT6 from Bob Davis, there was the additional hardware to make the GT6 a full race cage... I know it will add weight, and I'm already struggling to squeeze 198 pounds of lean mean training machine into the GT6... but.... I think I'm going to do it.... face it... anyone of us could get sideways at any time... heck... I know I've been close in three years of racing... so, it won't make me faster but I know it will make me safer....  gonna do it before February race if I can squeeze it into my fab shop...
Be safe....  Bobby Whitehead  

From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Sun Jan  3 19:27:58 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:27:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fw: GT6 build
In-Reply-To: <85807.72382.qm@web180711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <85807.72382.qm@web180711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B41522E.4020008@cfl.rr.com>

Bobby,

Ric Cline is a GT6 engine guru. He built and raced some of the fastest 
back in the early 70's. He did the cam in the engine you run now. He can 
tell you what works and what doesn't work in a GT6 engine. He is near me 
here in Florida.

352 429 3821

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> <triumphracing2 at aol.com>
> Sent: Wed, December 23, 2009 10:44:07 AM
> Subject: GT6
> build
>
>
> putting parts together for my 'spare' engine for the race car... 
> there's a guy David Bonito ( triumphracing2 at aol.com ) I've bought some parts
> from. He's directed me towards the PI head that apparently came on a few GT6's
> for some reason and I happened to have one... ref: eBay 350288944226 ... I've
> bought his SS valves and Crane Cam Springs, as I want to do the head first,
> then the block.
> My next quest is a race cam, lifters, and push rods. TSI? Who
> can help with a purchase on these? I'm shooting for stability and power, maybe
> 12.5 to 1 compression.    Years ago I bought a set of GT6 pistons and rods on
> eBay...   they are 20 over POP UP pistons. Anybody used the pop up pistons in
> a race car? I thought (sophomore thinking) that with the pop up pistons and
> the PI head with the larger combustion chamber I could have the start of an
> engine build... I do have several blocks laying around..  complete... looking
> for some help if you guys have the time...
> Merry Christmas to all....  Bobby
> Whitehead 1970GT6+ DP CVAR...
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From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Mon Jan  4 03:15:55 2010
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:15:55 +1100
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
Message-ID: <CDFE9B76349C4F71BB4645DA28B5A6F8@GEOFFPC>

Amici
Does any know the correct torque for the bolts holding the 2 halves of a TR6
brake caliper
Geoff Byrne
TR6 racer down under

From robertten1 at aol.com  Mon Jan  4 06:44:19 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 08:44:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
In-Reply-To: <CDFE9B76349C4F71BB4645DA28B5A6F8@GEOFFPC>
References: <CDFE9B76349C4F71BB4645DA28B5A6F8@GEOFFPC>
Message-ID: <8CC5B5B25C9A152-5CB8-15B2C@webmail-d023.sysops.aol.com>

 Geoff,

Know anyone with a Machinist Handbook ?  Look up the bolt size and use the
recommended torque for that bolt.  That's what I went by for the calipers on
my Spitfire, since its torque is not listed in any of my repair manuals.  I
hope you used new cross-over seal before buttoning it all back together.

Best of Luck,
Bob T





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To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:15 am
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque


Amici
Does any know the correct torque for the bolts holding the 2 halves of a TR6
brake caliper
Geoff Byrne
TR6 racer down under
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jan  4 08:23:23 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:23:23 +0100
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1001041006220.5514@isis.mit.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu><3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
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@ all

Thank you very much for the very detailed descriptions and links.
I really have now a lot more knowledge about the SCCA classes.

Here in Europe the classes are like this way.
A to H indicates the period.
Tr3 is E - before '61
TR4 is F - after '61
TR6 is G - after '65
And so on.
All period classes have rules about the modifications they can make.

Each class is separated by engine capathity and if it is a sports car, GT,
touring car, formula racer.

Quite different I would say.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Robert M. Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu]
Gesendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 16:14
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] EP DP and so on

On Sun, 3 Jan 2010, MadMarx wrote:

> I've several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers.
> What does they indicate?

The answer actually depends, but in short - these are the class
designation for the car.

In road racing, the "P" stands for "production" and there is a set of
rules that defines what mods you can (and cannot) do to the car...
presently, in SCCA, there is EP, FP, GP. At one time, there was AP through
HP with the primary distinction being the displacement of the engine.

In autocross, the "P" stands for "Prepared". The rules (again) dictate
what mods are allowed and are not allowed. In SCCA presently there is XP,
CP, DP, EP, FP.

If you see a road racer with DP, it's based on the rules from back before
about 1983 when there was a big rules change. "Big" 4 cylinder Triumphs
(not Spitfire) run in EP if they have less than 2 liters displacement and
DP if they have more than 2 liters. 6 cylinder Triumphs presently run in
EP, but in the past ran CP if they were fuel injected (or with triple DCOE
Webers) and DP if they ran the twin strombergs. Spitfire runs in FP or GP
(and back in the day they also would have run in HP if they were running
the 1147 motor).

Bottom line: it's a class designation.

I hope this helps!

> Cheers
> Chris

regards,
rml
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Mon Jan  4 08:52:15 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:52:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Last Call - FOT Sponsorship of uncle jack memorial ad in Burt
 Levy's book
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701C98@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Hi all,



This is the last call for anyone else who'd like to contribute to the
FOT's sponsorship of a memorial ad for uncle jack in Burt's next
installment of the Buddy Palumbo series.  Thanks for all of you who have
contributed to date!  With a few more bux, we'll have enough for a
1/2-page ad!



You have options as to how you can contribute if you're so inclined.
You can contact Burt by e-mail at thinkfast at mindspring.com  and let him
know how much you'd like to contribute and he'll send you a PayPal
invoice.  Or you can call him at (708) 383-7203 and he'll do the same.
Or you can send him  a check at Think Fast Ink, 1010 Lake Street, Oak
Park IL  60301.  Make sure to let him know this is part of the FOT
contribution.



Or you can send your check to me and I'll ship it to Burt with the rest.
My address is Scott Barr, 2401 East Enterprise Ave., Appleton WI
54913-7887.



Thanks!

Scott

From s.janzen at comcast.net  Mon Jan  4 09:36:36 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:36:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
Message-ID: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net>

I've been running 20-50 Brad Penn (high zinc) for the last season, but  
as I'm about to order some for the upcoming season, I'm wondering  
whether the engine really needs 20-50, as opposed to 10-40.  Used  
exclusively for racing, engine with fairly tight bearing clearances  
(when assembled).

Thoughts? 

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Jan  4 10:28:54 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:28:54 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
In-Reply-To: <8CC5B5B25C9A152-5CB8-15B2C@webmail-d023.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CDFE9B76349C4F71BB4645DA28B5A6F8@GEOFFPC>
	<8CC5B5B25C9A152-5CB8-15B2C@webmail-d023.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <6BC7D4C1-99BE-423C-BBC1-A259B11B1219@earthlink.net>

I just did this a couple weeks ago.  Pice of cake, just watch out for  
squirting brake fluid when you push the pistons in (while wiggling  
them out).  Don't ask how I know this.

Here's the link from the FOT archives with torque specs:

http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2006-04/msg00346.html

~Steve





On Jan 4, 2010, at 5:44 AM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote:

> Geoff,
>
> Know anyone with a Machinist Handbook ?  Look up the bolt size and  
> use the
> recommended torque for that bolt.  That's what I went by for the  
> calipers on
> my Spitfire, since its torque is not listed in any of my repair  
> manuals.  I
> hope you used new cross-over seal before buttoning it all back  
> together.
>
> Best of Luck,
> Bob T
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Byrne <gkbyrne at optushome.com.au>
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:15 am
> Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
>
>
> Amici
> Does any know the correct torque for the bolts holding the 2 halves  
> of a TR6
> brake caliper
> Geoff Byrne
> TR6 racer down under
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jan  4 10:47:47 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:47:47 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
In-Reply-To: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net>
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <03c601ca8d66$097873f0$1c695bd0$@com>

Take a Mobil 5w50 oil. It is doing okay.

Cheers
Chris

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Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Scott Janzen
Gesendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 17:37
An: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: [Fot] Oil weights?

I've been running 20-50 Brad Penn (high zinc) for the last season, but
as I'm about to order some for the upcoming season, I'm wondering
whether the engine really needs 20-50, as opposed to 10-40.  Used
exclusively for racing, engine with fairly tight bearing clearances
(when assembled).

Thoughts?
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Jan  4 11:44:46 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:44:46 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
In-Reply-To: <03c601ca8d66$097873f0$1c695bd0$@com>
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net>
	<03c601ca8d66$097873f0$1c695bd0$@com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A08002DDC9D@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

I could be wrong but I think that the 20-50W oils like Valvoline VR1 have
added the zinc back in, but formulations graded less than 20W have not. I
think that once they took the zinc out, the engines damage began to occur,
word got out and eventually sales got hurt.  Since the 20-50W oils are to be
used in late model cars that could have emissions components damaged the oil
companies probably saw the light and put the zinc back in. I'd make sure that
any 5 or 10w oil had the zinc or I'd add it. The cheap solution in VR1, as it
now costs the same as most good oils, $3.99 a quart.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of MadMarx
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:48 AM
To: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?

Take a Mobil 5w50 oil. It is doing okay.

Cheers
Chris

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Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Scott Janzen
Gesendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 17:37
An: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: [Fot] Oil weights?

I've been running 20-50 Brad Penn (high zinc) for the last season, but
as I'm about to order some for the upcoming season, I'm wondering
whether the engine really needs 20-50, as opposed to 10-40.  Used
exclusively for racing, engine with fairly tight bearing clearances
(when assembled).

Thoughts?
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Jan  4 11:47:21 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:47:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] O/D
In-Reply-To: <B2.4B.08392.E641C3B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
References: <B2.4B.08392.E641C3B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
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On Wed, 30 Dec 2009, Randall wrote:

>>> But does that give you the 0.80 overdrive gear?
>>
>> NO, but a 3.45 gear in the diff does.
>
> Only if your math isn't so good.  3.45/3.70 = .93, not .80

Correct, my bad.

However, 4.10 / 3.45 is approx .84 which is very close to a 4.10 and an 
A-type O/D.

> Randall

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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Mon Jan  4 12:42:57 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:42:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
References: <CDFE9B76349C4F71BB4645DA28B5A6F8@GEOFFPC>
Message-ID: <001e01ca8d76$1e921d30$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Hi, By my notes, there could be two different sized bolts.
  7/16 bolts get torqued to 75 ft/lb and 3/8 bolts tightened to 45 ft/lb.
  Also you probably found out that the "O" ring between the halves is not in
the caliper overhaul kit and must be bought seperately. At least from my
sources.
  Also you probably know that there are two different style bolts holding
the caliper to the spindle. Both 7/16 thread but the later (metric) has a
taper in it. Gee, how do I know this?!
  Good luck; hope this makes sense.
  Bill -- Original Message -----
  From: "Geoff Byrne" <gkbyrne at optushome.com.au>
  To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:15 AM
  Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque


  > Amici
  > Does any know the correct torque for the bolts holding the 2 halves of a
TR6
  > brake caliper
  > Geoff Byrne
  > TR6 racer down under
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Jan  4 16:31:02 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:31:02 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky>

"Used exclusively for racing"? I've got one word for ya:

Synthetic.

When you get a new engine or fresh rebuild, put the "mineral oil" in for 
break-in -- at least one race session, one autocross, or a nice long dyno 
run. Then drain and replace it with the synthetic.

Is synthetic pricey? Sure. What's your engine worth?

20-50 vs. 10-40? If 20-50 is overkill, so what? But if 10-40 proves not 
enough, uh-oh! Worst-case scenario, with the heavier oil it might be hard to 
start on a cold day. With the lighter oil it might not do the job causing 
expensive repair.

BTW, if you don't already have one, put an Accusump in. Mine probably saved 
my engine when I ripped off my oil cooler last October. That worst-case 
scenario above assumes an Accusump so even with 20-50 you still have 
pressure in the engine before you start it.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:36 AM
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?


> I've been running 20-50 Brad Penn (high zinc) for the last season, but
> as I'm about to order some for the upcoming season, I'm wondering
> whether the engine really needs 20-50, as opposed to 10-40.  Used
> exclusively for racing, engine with fairly tight bearing clearances
> (when assembled).
>
> Thoughts?

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Jan  4 17:29:31 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:29:31 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
In-Reply-To: <ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky>
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net>
	<ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky>
Message-ID: <FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com>

> 20-50 vs. 10-40? If 20-50 is overkill, so what?

What about the power lost pumping that heavier oil around?  That's the whole
reason for the push to thinner oils for modern cars, they help improve fuel
mileage by reducing losses within the motor.

-- Randall  

From igofaster at att.net  Mon Jan  4 17:40:56 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:40:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] member recommendation
Message-ID: <933473.84298.qm@web180715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I recommended a member the other day, David Bonito, seems I would like to suspend my recommendation till further notice. I placed an order with him for a cam and cam bearings in December. He seemed to need a sale by the end of the year and I assumed he had the parts in stock... not so...

Bobby Whitehead
CVAR DP Group7 Triumph GT6+

From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Jan  4 19:23:42 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:23:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net><ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky>
	<FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com>
Message-ID: <7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky>

Reasonable point.

Of course, a race is not an economy run so you don't really care about fuel 
mileage other than having enough to reach the checker. Power loss is another 
thing altogether. Depends on your priorities, I guess. If I had the budget 
that my primary focus was on winning, then presumably I could afford to go 
through a few engines, or rebuilds, to find the optimum oiling scheme. But 
as Clay Reggazoni said: "To win is nice; to race is enough." I just want to 
get out there, race with whomever is about my speed, and have fun driving my 
car. It's important to keep it in one piece (you get aggressive with me in a 
corner, I'll probably chicken out and let ya have it) so I can race it again 
next time.

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randall" <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
To: "''Friends of Triumph'Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?


>> 20-50 vs. 10-40? If 20-50 is overkill, so what?
>
> What about the power lost pumping that heavier oil around?  That's the 
> whole
> reason for the push to thinner oils for modern cars, they help improve 
> fuel
> mileage by reducing losses within the motor.
>
> -- Randall

From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com  Mon Jan  4 20:53:34 2010
From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:53:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC content, scale model running chevy V-8
In-Reply-To: <000b01ca8cad$f89ed4b0$e9dc7e10$@com>
References: <000b01ca8cad$f89ed4b0$e9dc7e10$@com>
Message-ID: <4B42B7BE.4080007@twcny.rr.com>

When I saw the V8 I was reminded of this Ferrari  that circulated before 
Youtube. Someone posted it on youtube. Just amazing....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxYRa0pqxlw


M

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Jan  4 21:28:44 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:28:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
In-Reply-To: <7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky>
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net><ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky><FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com>
	<7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky>
Message-ID: <4510F5742CAD475A87E816405D452EE1@hal9000>

I thought true synthetics we
bad for our Flat Tappet Motors
? 
Jim G

-----Original Message-----
From:
fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team
.net] On Behalf Of Rocky
Entriken
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010
7:24 PM
To: Randall; ''Friends of
Triumph'Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil
weights?

Reasonable point.

Of course, a race is not an
economy run so you don't
really care about fuel 
mileage other than having
enough to reach the checker.
Power loss is another 
thing altogether. Depends on
your priorities, I guess. If I
had the budget 
that my primary focus was on
winning, then presumably I
could afford to go 
through a few engines, or
rebuilds, to find the optimum
oiling scheme. But 
as Clay Reggazoni said: "To
win is nice; to race is
enough." I just want to 
get out there, race with
whomever is about my speed,
and have fun driving my 
car. It's important to keep it
in one piece (you get
aggressive with me in a 
corner, I'll probably chicken
out and let ya have it) so I
can race it again 
next time.

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randall"
<tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
To: "''Friends of
Triumph'Triumph'"
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010
6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil
weights?


>> 20-50 vs. 10-40? If 20-50
is overkill, so what?
>
> What about the power lost
pumping that heavier oil
around?  That's the 
> whole
> reason for the push to
thinner oils for modern cars,
they help improve 
> fuel
> mileage by reducing losses
within the motor.
>
> -- Randall
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon Jan  4 21:45:59 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:45:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
In-Reply-To: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net><ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky><FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com>
	<7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky>
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net><ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky><FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com>
	<7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS28A31757C5C7482BBCC3AC3730@phx.gbl>

This is just my opinion, but unless you are going for an SCCA National
Championship, and running 15 races a year, and are touching up the valves
after every event, and pulling the crank every other event, you won't even
notice the difference in performance between the 10w-40 and 20w-50.  Go with
the extra protection and longevity and be happy.  There are better ways to
shave .001 second a lap.

Terry Stetler

From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Mon Jan  4 23:05:54 2010
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 00:05:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A08002DDC9D@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca8dcd$243e8690$6401a8c0@blake1>

>From the data available on the Valvoline website, there does not appear
to be a difference in zinc and phosphorus content between grades of the
VR1 SM oil.  All are listed at 0.14/0.13 (don't know the units). Follow
this link for a product data sheet.

http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/VR-1_Racing_Motor_Oil.pdf

I could not find the same level of detail on their synthetic racing oil.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Kramer, Robert
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:45 PM
To: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?

I could be wrong but I think that the 20-50W oils like Valvoline VR1
have
added the zinc back in, but formulations graded less than 20W have not.
I
think that once they took the zinc out, the engines damage began to
occur,
word got out and eventually sales got hurt.  Since the 20-50W oils are
to be
used in late model cars that could have emissions components damaged the
oil
companies probably saw the light and put the zinc back in. I'd make sure
that
any 5 or 10w oil had the zinc or I'd add it. The cheap solution in VR1,
as it
now costs the same as most good oils, $3.99 a quart.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf
Of MadMarx
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:48 AM
To: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?

Take a Mobil 5w50 oil. It is doing okay.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von Scott Janzen
Gesendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 17:37
An: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: [Fot] Oil weights?

I've been running 20-50 Brad Penn (high zinc) for the last season, but
as I'm about to order some for the upcoming season, I'm wondering
whether the engine really needs 20-50, as opposed to 10-40.  Used
exclusively for racing, engine with fairly tight bearing clearances
(when assembled).

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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Jan  5 07:51:00 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:51:00 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
References: <000001ca8dcd$243e8690$6401a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <49C799D330E8436EA306F9B0747D01B1@latitudefb1e41>

I compared that to what is listed at the Brad Penn site. They have .15 zinc, 
.14 phosphorus in all but the 0W-30. The VR1 is .14 zinc and.13 phosphorus 
for all viscocities. I think both these numbers are good enough for flat 
tappet cam use and for the difference in price and ease of purchase I'll 
stick with the VR1.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?


> >From the data available on the Valvoline website, there does not appear
> to be a difference in zinc and phosphorus content between grades of the
> VR1 SM oil.  All are listed at 0.14/0.13 (don't know the units). Follow
> this link for a product data sheet.
>
> http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/VR-1_Racing_Motor_Oil.pdf
>
> I could not find the same level of detail on their synthetic racing oil.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Kramer, Robert
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:45 PM
> To: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?
>
> I could be wrong but I think that the 20-50W oils like Valvoline VR1
> have
> added the zinc back in, but formulations graded less than 20W have not.
> I
> think that once they took the zinc out, the engines damage began to
> occur,
> word got out and eventually sales got hurt.  Since the 20-50W oils are
> to be
> used in late model cars that could have emissions components damaged the
> oil
> companies probably saw the light and put the zinc back in. I'd make sure
> that
> any 5 or 10w oil had the zinc or I'd add it. The cheap solution in VR1,
> as it
> now costs the same as most good oils, $3.99 a quart.
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sales Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35
> Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-272-4141
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf
> Of MadMarx
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:48 AM
> To: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?
>
> Take a Mobil 5w50 oil. It is doing okay.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Scott Janzen
> Gesendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 17:37
> An: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
> Betreff: [Fot] Oil weights?
>
> I've been running 20-50 Brad Penn (high zinc) for the last season, but
> as I'm about to order some for the upcoming season, I'm wondering
> whether the engine really needs 20-50, as opposed to 10-40.  Used
> exclusively for racing, engine with fairly tight bearing clearances
> (when assembled).
>
> Thoughts?
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Tue Jan  5 14:10:03 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:10:03 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net><ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky><FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com>
	<7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky>
	<4510F5742CAD475A87E816405D452EE1@hal9000>
Message-ID: <CFEF2544FAC4456F923E8737B40C286D@rocky>

I've not heard that. My engine builder (who's also a Spitfire racer) swears 
by the synthetic. He's who got me on it. I was using Valvoline Racing 
(mineral), then DuraBlend. He got me to full synthetic. But I still have 
Valvoline Racing on the shelf for break-ins.

--rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Gray" <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: "'Rocky Entriken'" <rocky at spitfire4.com>; "'Randall'" 
<tr3driver at ca.rr.com>; "''Friends of Triumph'Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:28 PM
Subject: RE: [Fot] Oil weights?


>I thought true synthetics we
> bad for our Flat Tappet Motors
> ?
> Jim G
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team
> .net] On Behalf Of Rocky
> Entriken
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010
> 7:24 PM
> To: Randall; ''Friends of
> Triumph'Triumph'
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil
> weights?
>
> Reasonable point.
>
> Of course, a race is not an
> economy run so you don't
> really care about fuel
> mileage other than having
> enough to reach the checker.
> Power loss is another
> thing altogether. Depends on
> your priorities, I guess. If I
> had the budget
> that my primary focus was on
> winning, then presumably I
> could afford to go
> through a few engines, or
> rebuilds, to find the optimum
> oiling scheme. But
> as Clay Reggazoni said: "To
> win is nice; to race is
> enough." I just want to
> get out there, race with
> whomever is about my speed,
> and have fun driving my
> car. It's important to keep it
> in one piece (you get
> aggressive with me in a
> corner, I'll probably chicken
> out and let ya have it) so I
> can race it again
> next time.
>
> --Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Randall"
> <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
> To: "''Friends of
> Triumph'Triumph'"
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010
> 6:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil
> weights?
>
>
>>> 20-50 vs. 10-40? If 20-50
> is overkill, so what?
>>
>> What about the power lost
> pumping that heavier oil
> around?  That's the
>> whole
>> reason for the push to
> thinner oils for modern cars,
> they help improve
>> fuel
>> mileage by reducing losses
> within the motor.
>>
>> -- Randall
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From tarch at bellsouth.net  Tue Jan  5 15:03:02 2010
From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:03:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Orange Bowl
In-Reply-To: <CFEF2544FAC4456F923E8737B40C286D@rocky>
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net><ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky><FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com><7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky><4510F5742CAD475A87E816405D452EE1@hal9000>
	<CFEF2544FAC4456F923E8737B40C286D@rocky>
Message-ID: <EA2392AE423F40E88E76A1A0130E0259@richardiipc>

Joe A. and all the rest of you frozen yahoos out there in Iowa, watch out
for the sting of my Yellow Jackets tonight!

From riverside at southslope.net  Tue Jan  5 16:31:53 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:31:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Orange Bowl
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net><ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky><FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com><7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky><4510F5742CAD475A87E816405D452EE1@hal9000><CFEF2544FAC4456F923E8737B40C286D@rocky>
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Message-ID: <004d01ca8e5f$43707040$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

We'll be seeing about that!!

art d

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To: "''Friends of Triumph'Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:03 PM
Subject: [Fot] Orange Bowl


> Joe A. and all the rest of you frozen yahoos out there in Iowa, watch out
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jan  5 18:17:00 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:17:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] A bit before my time
Message-ID: <4B43E48C.70808@bradakis.com>

So for reasons I won't go into at the moment, but you'll likely
hear about them soon, I'm cleaning up a bunch of stuff in storage
and the shop.  One dusty old box is filled with vintage spark
plugs, Blue Crown brand.

I found an interesting slip of paper packed in one of the boxes.
On many occasions I feel old, but I think this predates me:

http://bradakis.com/Images/war_order.jpg


mjb.

From tlizzard at msn.com  Tue Jan  5 19:36:45 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:36:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A bit before my time
In-Reply-To: <4B43E48C.70808@bradakis.com>
References: <4B43E48C.70808@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS220DEFEF4287AB5711844C3720@phx.gbl>

Blue Crown Spark Plugs were made in my home town of Defiance, Ohio.

They sponsored/equipped multiple Indy 500 winners.

They were very good plugs in the day.

Terry Stetler.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Mark J Bradakis<mailto:mark at bradakis.com>
  To: 'Friends of Triumph'<mailto:fot at autox.team.net> ;
Vintage-race at autox.team.net<mailto:Vintage-race at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:17 PM
  Subject: [Fot] A bit before my time


  So for reasons I won't go into at the moment, but you'll likely
  hear about them soon, I'm cleaning up a bunch of stuff in storage
  and the shop.  One dusty old box is filled with vintage spark
  plugs, Blue Crown brand.

  I found an interesting slip of paper packed in one of the boxes.
  On many occasions I feel old, but I think this predates me:

  http://bradakis.com/Images/war_order.jpg<http://bradakis.com/Images/war_ord
er.jpg>


  mjb.
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Tue Jan  5 19:36:05 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 02:36:05 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
Message-ID: <20100105.213605.20553.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com>

Synthetics like Mobil 1 don't have the zinc and phosphorus needed for the flat
tappets.  I ran Mobil 1 at one time and did have some cam wear.   I know
others on the list are using Mobil 1.  At one point Chevy was not warrantying
some motors if Mobil 1 was used.  I changed to Redline for a couple of years
and now am using Joe Gibbs.  The Joe Gibbs is made specifically for flat
tappet motors.  The viscosity to use is based on bearing clearances.  The Joe
Gibbs oil is expensive (about $10-$12/quart), but so is a new cam or engine.
I also use the Brad Penn break in oil when breaking in new motors.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jim Gray" <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: "'Rocky Entriken'" <rocky at spitfire4.com>, "'Randall'"
<tr3driver at ca.rr.com>, "''Friends of Triumph'Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:28:44 -0700

I thought true synthetics we
bad for our Flat Tappet Motors
?
Jim G


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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jan  5 19:51:21 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:51:21 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
In-Reply-To: <CFEF2544FAC4456F923E8737B40C286D@rocky>
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net>
	<ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky>
	<FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com>
	<7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky>
	<4510F5742CAD475A87E816405D452EE1@hal9000>
	<CFEF2544FAC4456F923E8737B40C286D@rocky>
Message-ID: <20100106025133.48132187683@autox.team.net>

Valvoline VR1 Synthetic Racing Oil has plenty of the ZDDP stuff for 
flat tappet engines.  I can't locate the spec sheet at the moment, 
but the blurb from their website says:
"High zinc/phosphorus for extreme anti-wear, including flat tappets"

I use the Dino juice version of the VR1 for breakin and then the 
synthetic version for racing.  Bearings and cam have looked perfect 
with that combination.

My understanding is that the Mobil 1 synthetic sold in the USA 
followed the EPA recommendations and reduced  their  ZDDP content, 
killing some race motors and giving synthetic a bad name.

Brad Penn, Redline and Joe Gibbs oils have plenty of ZDDP too - and 
are more expensive than Valvoline.

- Tony Drews

At 03:10 PM 1/5/2010, Rocky Entriken wrote:
>I've not heard that. My engine builder (who's also a Spitfire racer) 
>swears by the synthetic. He's who got me on it. I was using 
>Valvoline Racing (mineral), then DuraBlend. He got me to full 
>synthetic. But I still have Valvoline Racing on the shelf for break-ins.
>
>--rocky
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gray" <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
>To: "'Rocky Entriken'" <rocky at spitfire4.com>; "'Randall'" 
><tr3driver at ca.rr.com>; "''Friends of Triumph'Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:28 PM
>Subject: RE: [Fot] Oil weights?
>
>
>>I thought true synthetics we
>>bad for our Flat Tappet Motors
>>?
>>Jim G
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:
>>fot-bounces at autox.team.net
>>[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team
>> > .net] On Behalf Of Rocky
>>Entriken
>>Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010
>>7:24 PM
>>To: Randall; ''Friends of
>>Triumph'Triumph'
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil
>>weights?
>>
>>Reasonable point.
>>
>>Of course, a race is not an
>>economy run so you don't
>>really care about fuel
>>mileage other than having
>>enough to reach the checker.
>>Power loss is another
>>thing altogether. Depends on
>>your priorities, I guess. If I
>>had the budget
>>that my primary focus was on
>>winning, then presumably I
>>could afford to go
>>through a few engines, or
>>rebuilds, to find the optimum
>>oiling scheme. But
>>as Clay Reggazoni said: "To
>>win is nice; to race is
>>enough." I just want to
>>get out there, race with
>>whomever is about my speed,
>>and have fun driving my
>>car. It's important to keep it
>>in one piece (you get
>>aggressive with me in a
>>corner, I'll probably chicken
>>out and let ya have it) so I
>>can race it again
>>next time.
>>
>>--Rocky
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall"
>><tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
>>To: "''Friends of
>>Triumph'Triumph'"
>><fot at autox.team.net>
>>Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010
>>6:29 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil
>>weights?
>>
>>
>>>>20-50 vs. 10-40? If 20-50
>>is overkill, so what?
>>>
>>>What about the power lost
>>pumping that heavier oil
>>around?  That's the
>>>whole
>>>reason for the push to
>>thinner oils for modern cars,
>>they help improve
>>>fuel
>>>mileage by reducing losses
>>within the motor.
>>>
>>>-- Randall
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From kaskas at cox.net  Fri Jan  1 14:00:44 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 13:00:44 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery
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Way back in the beginning of the TR-2 there was along extension onto the 
radiator.  It proved to not work too well as this vibrated and cracked at 
the radiator tank (my car 1954) and all the water fell out on the ground. 
Maybe work and last better if you plan a support.

In all my cars on the 1958-1972 era of Triumphs I had no header tank, filled 
the system through the heater hose connection at the back of the head from a 
tall filler funnel (about a foot high) and kept the petcock on the thermo 
housing open until water shot out, closed the petcock, then quickly pull out 
the funnel and replaced the plug.  this eliminated all air in the system 
which is paramount.Never lost any water expect when a head gasket was blown 
and nothing would have helped that condition.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Vucinic" <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
To: "'Henry Frye'" <henry at henryfrye.com>
Cc: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery


> Henry,
>
> Happy New Year to you also!
>
>
>
> I have a very similar system to yourself as you described. I too fitted a
> bleed port on the thermostat housing to minimize air in the system. I am
> sort of wondering now why no one has looked at designing an extended 
> filler
> neck arrangement to replace the thermostat housing? Maybe this will fix 
> the
> 2 glaring issue with the current stock setup of too low a fill point and 
> air
> bleeding? I started thinking about this option today when I sat down and
> looked at all the components etc. I would need to fit a recovery system.
> Maybe the filler neck will do the job nicely and save allot of plumbing!
>
>
>
> Cheers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Henry Frye [mailto:henry at henryfrye.com]
> Sent: Friday, 1 January 2010 9:06 PM
> To: Peter Vucinic
> Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery
>
>
>
> Peter,
>
> I don't think there is a concensus on coolant system plumbing. I have seen
> successful installations that range from what appears to be quite stock to
> much more radical approaches than you are describing.
>
> I guess it all depends on how much power you are making and how hard you
> drive it.
>
> I make as much power as the rest of the fast TR's in the east and mid-west
> USA, and drive very hard. Fastest and first in class TR4 at the Kastner 
> Cup
> race in 2008 at Watkins Glen. Here's what I do...
>
> I block off water passages in the front of the head to direct more flow to
> the back of the block, run an oversized radiator with a stock recovery
> overflow bottle, a 16 pound radiator cap, no expansion tank and have plugs
> in the heater box tap and heater pipe outlet in the water pump. I 
> installed
> a petcock in the thermostat housing to purge air from the system when
> filling, and run a 185 degree thermostat to keep enough heat in the engine
> no matter what season I am racing in. Works great.
>
> I know it's old news for you guys down under, but Happy New Year!
>
> Henry Frye  -  Sent from Phone
> Triumph Technology Consultants
> 860.508.3118 (C) - 860.653.3118 (O)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Vucinic <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 6:01 AM
> To: FOT at autox.team.net <FOT at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery
>
> Lister's,
>
>
>
> I believe that we have already seen a few threads on this subject. But I 
> am
> seeking general consensus on the plumbing/routing of coolant lines to and
> from a coolant system recovery/expansion tank/bottle for the TR4.
>
>
>
> Obviously I am making the following assumptions: -
>
> 1.    Expansion/recovery tank will be mounted higher than the cylinder 
> head.
> Say, on the firewall next to the battery
>
> 2.    Existing Radiator cap to be of the fixed/closed type
>
> 3.    Coolant system over pressure will now be controlled by radiator cap
> fitted to expansion/recovery tank
>
> 4.    Coolant total loss will now occur at the expansion tank due to over
> pressure
>
>
>
> My questions are: -
>
> 1.    Are any of you already running a system such as the above? 
> Successful
> in controlling air into the coolant circuit/system?
>
> 2.    Where is the most appropriate connection to the coolant expansion
> recovery tank made? E.g. At the heater tap port and the back of the water
> pump? Thermostat housing? Radiator top hose/port?
>
> 3.    Do you have an air bleed orifice/port in this cooling circuit/system
> as well?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Jan  5 21:08:36 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:08:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Jeff Gordon fires entire pit crew!
Message-ID: <B761EA47824C48359A8DE2127113D991@hal9000>

In this morning's  news, Jeff
Gordon fires entire pit crew! 

 

This announcement followed
Gordon's  decision to take
advantage of President Obama's
proposal to employ Harlem
youngsters. 

 

The decision to hire them was
brought about by a recent
documentary on how unemployed
youths from Harlem  were able
to remove a set of wheels in
less than 6 seconds without
proper  equipment, whereas
Gordon's existing crew could
only do it in 8 seconds with
thousands of dollars worth of
high tech  equipment. 

 

It was thought to be an
excellent  and bold move by
Gordon's management team as
most races are won or lost in
the  pits. 

 

At the crew's first practice
session, not only was the
inexperienced crew able to
change all 4 wheels in  under
6 seconds, but within 12
seconds they had changed the
paint scheme,  altered the VIN
number, and sold the car to
Dale Jr. for 10 cases of Bud,
a  bag of weed and some photos
of Jeff Gordon's wife in the
shower.

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jan  6 01:11:07 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:11:07 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
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I know that I'm boring you all with telling you again that flat grinding of
my tappets did cure all cam trouble I had before regardless what oil is
used.
All tappets rotate nicely, have an even contact face and the lobes do show
an very even and smooth surface.
The flat tappets because of their flat surface use the whole lobe width
while crowned tappets only have a very thin contact patch.
Even modern cars like a BMW do have dead flat shims on their cams that do
work fine and have no wear.

I really recommend you to use dead flat tappets and you will find that all
trouble with wear will disappear.

If you like I can post photos of my current tappets that have run two racing
seasons and about 3000 mls everyday traffic.

A history note:
I bought a 310 degree cam in year 2007 and installed it with new tappets in
year 2008. After the first race the head gasket went away and I had to open
the engine again. I had a look on the tappets and found 3 of them with
pitting and lobe #7 had a little damage on its tip. The correspond tappet
was scrapped. Then I took all the tappets to the machine shop and ground the
flat, installed them again and since then they are in use and even lobe #7
has no further damage an remains in the same condition as it was. For me a
clear sign that the way with the domed tappets is a dead end for our
engines. The symptom might be cured by the zinc contained in oil but ask
yourself:
Why did a Triumph camshaft last maybe 30 year and modern cams fail after a
short usage, readable in several Triumph forums. I have NOS lifters and they
ARE flat. Why not using them as they came from the factory?

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Joe Boruch
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Januar 2010 03:36
An: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Cc: tr3driver at ca.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?

Synthetics like Mobil 1 don't have the zinc and phosphorus needed for the
flat
tappets.  I ran Mobil 1 at one time and did have some cam wear.   I know
others on the list are using Mobil 1.  At one point Chevy was not
warrantying
some motors if Mobil 1 was used.  I changed to Redline for a couple of years
and now am using Joe Gibbs.  The Joe Gibbs is made specifically for flat
tappet motors.  The viscosity to use is based on bearing clearances.  The
Joe
Gibbs oil is expensive (about $10-$12/quart), but so is a new cam or engine.
I also use the Brad Penn break in oil when breaking in new motors.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jim Gray" <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: "'Rocky Entriken'" <rocky at spitfire4.com>, "'Randall'"
<tr3driver at ca.rr.com>, "''Friends of Triumph'Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:28:44 -0700

I thought true synthetics we
bad for our Flat Tappet Motors
?
Jim G


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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jan  6 03:02:32 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:02:32 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
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>From Buckeyes Triumph:
Girling "split" calipers should not be separated for any reason.  They were
not designed for separation and reassembly and proper torque specifications
are not known, other than the inner and out bolts are torqued differently.
The inside bolts are 7/16" diameter and the outside bolts are 3/8" diameter.

I torqued the outside 3/8" bolts to 40 ft-lbs and the inside 7/16" bolts to
70 ft-lbs.


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Auftrag von Geoff Byrne
Gesendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 11:16
An: FOT
Betreff: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque

Amici
Does any know the correct torque for the bolts holding the 2 halves of a TR6
brake caliper
Geoff Byrne
TR6 racer down under
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Jan  6 06:21:53 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:21:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
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I  surmise from my own factory/corporate background that TORQUE SPECS and
Replacement Seals were not readily available to the general public because of
liability issues with critical components.




-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, Jan 6, 2010 4:02 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque


>From Buckeyes Triumph:
irling "split" calipers should not be separated for any reason.  They were
ot designed for separation and reassembly and proper torque specifications
re not known, other than the inner and out bolts are torqued differently.
he inside bolts are 7/16" diameter and the outside bolts are 3/8" diameter.
I torqued the outside 3/8" bolts to 40 ft-lbs and the inside 7/16" bolts to
0 ft-lbs.

----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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uftrag von Geoff Byrne
esendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 11:16
n: FOT
etreff: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
Amici
oes any know the correct torque for the bolts holding the 2 halves of a TR6
rake caliper
eoff Byrne
R6 racer down under
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Wed Jan  6 07:26:13 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 08:26:13 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
References: <CDFE9B76349C4F71BB4645DA28B5A6F8@GEOFFPC><038a01ca8eb7$5e3ff690$1abfe3b0$@com>
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In case anyone doesn't know it the caliper split seals are sold by BPNW.

Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
excellence.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque


>I  surmise from my own factory/corporate background that TORQUE SPECS and
> Replacement Seals were not readily available to the general public because 
> of
> liability issues with critical components.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wed, Jan 6, 2010 4:02 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
>
>
>>From Buckeyes Triumph:
> irling "split" calipers should not be separated for any reason.  They were
> ot designed for separation and reassembly and proper torque specifications
> re not known, other than the inner and out bolts are torqued differently.
> he inside bolts are 7/16" diameter and the outside bolts are 3/8" 
> diameter.
> I torqued the outside 3/8" bolts to 40 ft-lbs and the inside 7/16" bolts 
> to
> 0 ft-lbs.
>
> ----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> on: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> uftrag von Geoff Byrne
> esendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 11:16
> n: FOT
> etreff: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
> Amici
> oes any know the correct torque for the bolts holding the 2 halves of a 
> TR6
> rake caliper
> eoff Byrne
> R6 racer down under
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Jan  6 07:53:32 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:53:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Orange Bowl
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i dont know about no stinkin' yellow jackets, but this yahoo is basking in the
relative warmth of NYC at 35 degrees.





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Sent: Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:03 pm
Subject: [Fot] Orange Bowl


Joe A. and all the rest of you frozen yahoos out there in Iowa, watch out
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 09:04:44 2010
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:04:44 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Limited slip diff group buy
Message-ID: <4B44B49C.1010706@gmail.com>

I'm writing this for Ken Galanders of British Frame & engine ( 
www.britishframeandengine.com ) as his computer has been acting up recently.

Ken wants to know if there is enough interest in a group purchase of 
limited slip differentials to get a quantity discount. Please email him 
directly ( bfeken at copper.net ) if you are interested in a January 
purchase and are willing to put an estimated 50% down on a preorder.

-------
The patent for the highly regarded Salisbury limited slip differential 
has expired and a company called TRAN-X has taken the Salisbury design, 
improved upon it and is offering new higher quality limited slips for 
less than the older Salisbury's sold for.  We are talking about a better 
diff for less money.

from their web site:  "Manufactured and built by Tran-X the Salisbury 
English LSD has been used in every form of Motorsport over the years. 
FIA approved this is arguably the most popular differential in 
Motorsport over the last 20 years and its versatile appeal means we can 
set your LSD up to suit your application perfectly.

We have further improved the design by eliminating the need for cross 
pins, which can be damaged if a half shaft fails inflicting major damage 
to the entire LSD. This new design allows the planet gears to actually 
run in ramp angle block meaning the LSD performs to the same high level 
but removes the need for costly rebuilds if a half shaft fails."

If you are seriously interested in a high quality limited slip at a good 
price, please contact Ken directly bfeken at copper.net

Teriann

From tedtsimx at bright.net  Wed Jan  6 09:25:55 2010
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:25:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
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We also sell caliper seals. but for $69.95 each (exchange) we have 
rebuilt calipers. Done by a professional rebuild shop with warranty. Ted


Bob Kramer wrote:
> In case anyone doesn't know it the caliper split seals are sold by BPNW.
>
> Bob Kramer
> Volente, TX
>
> Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
> excellence.
> Vince Lombardi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> To: <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
>
>
>> I  surmise from my own factory/corporate background that TORQUE SPECS 
>> and
>> Replacement Seals were not readily available to the general public 
>> because of
>> liability issues with critical components.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Sent: Wed, Jan 6, 2010 4:02 am
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
>>
>>
>>> From Buckeyes Triumph:
>> irling "split" calipers should not be separated for any reason.  They 
>> were
>> ot designed for separation and reassembly and proper torque 
>> specifications
>> re not known, other than the inner and out bolts are torqued 
>> differently.
>> he inside bolts are 7/16" diameter and the outside bolts are 3/8" 
>> diameter.
>> I torqued the outside 3/8" bolts to 40 ft-lbs and the inside 7/16" 
>> bolts to
>> 0 ft-lbs.
>>
>> ----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>> on: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>> uftrag von Geoff Byrne
>> esendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 11:16
>> n: FOT
>> etreff: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
>> Amici
>> oes any know the correct torque for the bolts holding the 2 halves of 
>> a TR6
>> rake caliper
>> eoff Byrne
>> R6 racer down under
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Wed Jan  6 10:06:44 2010
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:06:44 -0800
Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water
Message-ID: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>

So you remember they guy that drove his Bugatti in the water, here's the
action video.
Charly Mitchel


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaHi7WSc_po&feature=player_embedded

From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Jan  6 10:19:09 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:19:09 EST
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery
Message-ID: <bc5.5f4422b6.3876200d@aol.com>

In a message dated 01/05/2010 9:46:32 PM Central Standard Time, 
kaskas at cox.net writes:


> In all my cars on the 1958-1972 era of Triumphs I had no header tank, 
> filled 
> the system through the heater hose connection at the back of the head from 
> a 
> tall filler funnel (about a foot high) and kept the petcock on the thermo 
> housing open until water shot out, closed the petcock, then quickly pull 
> out 
> the funnel and replaced the plug.  this eliminated all air in the system 
> which is paramount.Never lost any water expect when a head gasket was 
> blown 
> and nothing would have helped that condition.
> 

Kas...

Seems to me I recall you saying that, in fact, this was something important 
enough that you did personally.

Bill Dentinger

From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Jan  6 11:47:52 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:47:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water
In-Reply-To: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>
References: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>
Message-ID: <6EAA3486673A4F8D959CB24BA9FB6948@joepentiumnew>

Word is, the guy was drunk when he bought the Bugatti and thought he was
getting this:

http://www.huliq.com/50690/rinspeed-creates-underwater-scuba-car

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Charly Mitchel
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:07 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water

So you remember they guy that drove his Bugatti in the water, here's the
action video.
Charly Mitchel


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaHi7WSc_po&feature=player_embedded
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From riverside at southslope.net  Wed Jan  6 12:02:26 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:02:26 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Orange Bowl
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net><ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky><FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com><7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky><4510F5742CAD475A87E816405D452EE1@hal9000><CFEF2544FAC4456F923E8737B40C286D@rocky>
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How 'bout them Hawks!!!


art d
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Taylor" <tarch at bellsouth.net>
To: "''Friends of Triumph'Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:03 PM
Subject: [Fot] Orange Bowl


> Joe A. and all the rest of you frozen yahoos out there in Iowa, watch out
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From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jan  6 12:23:50 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:23:50 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery
In-Reply-To: <bc5.5f4422b6.3876200d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100106142350.WYIIK.80989.imail@fed1rmwml28>

Yes, In allmy cars after each session, I owuld check the valve lash and the timing and make whatever mixture change was needed by plug reading.  The coolling system on every one of my cars was filled my ME. Nothing against the guys but if something failed I then at least knew who the lazy culpret was.
--
Never be beaten by equipment

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jan  6 13:14:03 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:14:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water
In-Reply-To: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>
References: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>
Message-ID: <0E10A45B03F344F8A74B1991B6922FB9@hal9000>

He thought that cruise control
meant auto-pilot
Jim G

-----Original Message-----
From:
fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team
.net] On Behalf Of Charly
Mitchel
Sent: Wednesday, January 06,
2010 10:07 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] YouTube -
bugatti veyron water

So you remember they guy that
drove his Bugatti in the
water, here's the
action video.
Charly Mitchel


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
=OaHi7WSc_po&feature=player_em
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Wed Jan  6 15:58:50 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:58:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water
In-Reply-To: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>
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What a Maroon.


Terry Stetler


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  Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water


  So you remember they guy that drove his Bugatti in the water, here's the
  action video.
  Charly Mitchel


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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Wed Jan  6 16:49:32 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:49:32 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Orange Bowl
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Rock Chalk, Jayhawk!

#1

Cornell goes down tonight.

--Rocky E


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "riverside" <riverside at southslope.net>
To: "Richard Taylor" <tarch at bellsouth.net>; "''Friends ofTriumph'Triumph'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Orange Bowl


> How 'bout them Hawks!!!
>
>
> art d
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> To: "''Friends of Triumph'Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:03 PM
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Wed Jan  6 17:40:32 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:40:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water
References: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>
	<BAY116-DS98F00896561CC99250738C3720@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00b101ca8f32$05500ef0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Or my favorite: Moe-Ron.
  Think Struther Martin in Butch Cassidy. "Moe-rons, I got Moe-rons on my
team."
  Armpit deep in snow here.
  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: "Terry Stetler" <tlizzard at msn.com>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water


  > In the immortal words of Bugs Bunny...
  >
  > What a Maroon.
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  > Terry Stetler
  >
  >
  >   ----- Original Message -----
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  >   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
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  >
  >
  >   So you remember they guy that drove his Bugatti in the water, here's
the
  >   action video.
  >   Charly Mitchel
  >
  >
  >
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From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Jan  6 18:53:38 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 18:53:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water
In-Reply-To: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>
References: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>
Message-ID: <F44D554BFF6E4970B7C705EB1CC1B889@joepentiumnew>

Word is, the guy was drunk when he bought the Bugatti and thought he was
getting this:

http://www.huliq.com/50690/rinspeed-creates-underwater-scuba-car

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Charly Mitchel
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:07 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water

So you remember they guy that drove his Bugatti in the water, here's the
action video.
Charly Mitchel


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From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Jan  6 18:54:49 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 18:54:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Recall:  YouTube - bugatti veyron water
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Wed Jan  6 22:12:18 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:12:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] ref:  Oil
Message-ID: <8CC5D6F1E8B3DAC-53B8-1082E@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com>

 Ihave been using Mobil1  15-50 Full Synthetic in my autocrosser with
nocomplaints.  Admittedly the engine doesn't see the use as much as youracers
but have seen a rev difference compared to the Valvolineblended.  In the ten
years of use, yes its time for a freshening up, Ihave found my valve
clearances have not opened up and everything underthe rocker cover is clean
and tidy.

So with all this chatter about the zinc and phosphates needed for ourolder
flat tappet engines I looked up the Mobil 1 Oil website to seewhats up with my
chosen oil.  The info there says the Full SyntheticMobil 1 has the additives
required for flat tappet cams.  Their FullSynthetic Mobil 1 Racing Oil has
more of these additives for fullcompetition engines but at noticeably lower
viscosity ratings.  If yougo to their site the full explanation about these
oils is there, also achart with all their oil products listed with detailed
specifics andcontents of each product.

Now to pick the winning lottery number to fund a complete engine teardown and
rebuild, maybe bigger pistons too !!

Wish you all luck,
Bob T

From s.janzen at comcast.net  Thu Jan  7 07:56:32 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 09:56:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Oil viscosity
References: <13F9A911B6F84CE8814DFBDEE48141A3@amdx2>
Message-ID: <778BFDA1-586E-4B66-A03E-6C173236F79F@comcast.net>

Some interesting reading on the Joe Gibbs site.  It leads me to  
believe that 20-50 is to "thick" for the bearing clearances in our  
racing engines, the horsepower they develop, and the oil temps.

Engine oil viscosity chart vs horsepower from Joe Gibbs Racing Oil.

http://www.joegibbsracingoil.com/trainingcenter/viscosity.html

From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net  Thu Jan  7 13:01:08 2010
From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:01:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW: Ed Brannon Passing
Message-ID: <4B463D84.40108@cyberspeedway.net>

    Very sad news. I know some of you knew Ed personally. Ed started 
racing in a TR4. He was always helpful to anyone who asked and was a 
great source of info. If you attend a Vintage race and there is a Lotus 
23 running, there is a good chance it was restored by Ed and Mark. Ed 
was a great influence on my life and the people who knew him. He will be 
greatly missed.

Greg Lund

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: FW: Ed Brannon Passing
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:15:55 -0800


It is with great sorrow to inform the Arizona Region of the passing of 
our longest standing member of the region. Ed Brannon was a big part of 
the region.  He raced against his son Mark for several years in their 
Elva Courier. He was a member since 1963 with a four digit membership 
number. Ed will  be missed but not forgotten. Our prayers go out to his 
family. Memorial Services will be held Sunday Jan 17th, 2010 at 3 PM at 
Messengers Mortuary located on Indian School Road and Miller in 
Scottsdale, AZ .

Donna Sheehan
NPI, Program Manager
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From wes at hsrca.org.au  Thu Jan  7 13:51:23 2010
From: wes at hsrca.org.au (Wes Dayton)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 07:51:23 +1100
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
Message-ID: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>

Australian rules allow us to fit newer style racing seats; technically I
believe there is a specified list of 3acceptable2 seats but in reality we
can get away with something as long as it is not too far 3out of character2
(i.e. no great big wings9 etc.). I9m still using a very tired original seat
and it9s time for a change. Trouble is finding something suitable that fits
the rather narrow space available. Not everything is easily available in
Australia but I9d be interested in knowing what everyone is using.

Wes Dayton

From tlizzard at msn.com  Thu Jan  7 15:29:43 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 17:29:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
References: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS714E3DE1F05FD71A3B8D3C3710@phx.gbl>

Wes,

I don't know if the Kirkey brand aluminum seats are available in OZ, their
smaller seats are rather easily modified to fit most smaller sports cars.  The
side wings are easily cut back if they are objectionable, new beading can be
put on and a trip to the upholstery shop for a new covering with white piping
will yield a very vintage appearing, yet very safe seat.

Terry Stetler

From horizonracing at msn.com  Thu Jan  7 16:05:24 2010
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:05:24 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
References: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W1091BDA8FF1B70C76E1694B2710@phx.gbl>

Try Looking at the "vintage 41" seats or "Kirkey" make a period Bucket seat.
Kirkey seats are available from summitracing.com. I have the Kirkey seats in
my early corvette and they work well, and look great.



An Aussie.........great grand dad must have been a pick pocket yeah ;)



Cheers

Tony



> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 07:51:23 +1100
> From: wes at hsrca.org.au
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
>
> Australian rules allow us to fit newer style racing seats; technically I
> believe there is a specified list of 3acceptable2 seats but in reality we
> can get away with something as long as it is not too far 3out of character2
> (i.e. no great big wings9 etc.). I9m still using a very tired original seat
> and it9s time for a change. Trouble is finding something suitable that fits
> the rather narrow space available. Not everything is easily available in
> Australia but I9d be interested in knowing what everyone is using.
>
> Wes Dayton
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Thu Jan  7 17:32:49 2010
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:32:49 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
References: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
Message-ID: <000001ca8ffa$1c19cf90$544d6eb0$@racer@comcast.net>

Wes:

One thing to consider when buying a seat is some high-back seats are not
compatible with neck restraint systems, ie, HANS.  I bought a Kirkey bucket
seat with snap on cover for around $300 which fit nicely in my TR4 without
modification and it's quite comfortable with good side support.  I chose
this low-back style since I use a HANS device.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Wes Dayton
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:51 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat

Australian rules allow us to fit newer style racing seats; technically I
believe there is a specified list of 3acceptable2 seats but in reality we
can get away with something as long as it is not too far 3out of character2
(i.e. no great big 
wings9 etc.). I9m still using a very tired original seat
and it9s time for a change. Trouble is finding something suitable that fits
the rather narrow space available. Not everything is easily available in
Australia but I9d be interested in knowing what everyone is using.

Wes Dayton
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jan  7 22:20:33 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:20:33 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Roller rocker question
Message-ID: <20100108052051.2382B187669@autox.team.net>

I'm passing along a question from a gentleman from Europe regarding 
roller rockers.  They seem to have quality issues with their usual 
suppliers and the stock ones are "too soft".  He's wondering if 
anyone has experience with roller rockers from Harland Sharp, good or 
bad.  Their two usual suppliers either have parts that are too soft 
and then have too much runout, or they spray oil all over everywhere.

I get the impression that he's looking more at the TR-6 / Spitfire 
rockers but am interested in responses for any model of racing TR.

I think alternate supplier suggestions (like Good Parts for example, 
I suggested that) would be welcome but he is specifically interested 
in experiences with Harland Sharp's rockers.

Thanks in advance, Tony Drews

From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jan  7 22:51:11 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:51:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
References: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
Message-ID: <20100108055125.00973187669@autox.team.net>

I have a Kirkey seat with wings around my ribcage.  It doesn't have 
the shoulder wings like the Nascar seats have (and THAT is the way to 
go from a safety standpoint), but I like it.  Uncle Jack hated wings 
like that so he bought a Kirkey "Drag" seat.  That doesn't have the 
wings and looks pretty nice.  And, it's cheap.

Regarding the Hans issue - I have a high back seat and have no issue 
with it interfering with my HANS device.  Of course I have a little 
more built in padding than some (most) too, so that may be a 
factor.  :)  I did have to make the shoulder belt slot much larger to 
get the angle of the seat belt over the HANS device to work well.

- Tony Drews

At 02:51 PM 1/7/2010, Wes Dayton wrote:
>Australian rules allow us to fit newer style racing seats; technically I
>believe there is a specified list of 3acceptable2 seats but in reality we
>can get away with something as long as it is not too far 3out of character2
>(i.e. no great big wings9 etc.). I9m still using a very tired original seat
>and it9s time for a change. Trouble is finding something suitable that fits
>the rather narrow space available. Not everything is easily available in
>Australia but I9d be interested in knowing what everyone is using.
>
>Wes Dayton

From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Fri Jan  8 06:29:49 2010
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 07:29:49 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Roller rockers
Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A66ED66@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>

Tony,

I bought the Harland Sharp for a Spitfire 1300/1500 and later found out
(per my engine builder) their ratio is incorrect by enough that he won't
use them and guarantee they'll be 100%.  SOOOO if someone wants a brand
new set for say a street car (incorrect amount isn't a big deal there) I
will sell them for 175.00 for a brand new set. Also have a used set that
came on a old race motor, they are available for 75.00!


Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax
www.dieselperformanceparts.com

From rkrantz77 at comcast.net  Fri Jan  8 08:08:40 2010
From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:08:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Roller rockers
In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A66ED66@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>
Message-ID: <373694420.9528441262963320069.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I use Harland Sharp on all my race engines.B  They are available in 1.5 and
1.6 ratios.B  They are very accurate in ratio from part to part.B  The stock
rockers can be anywhere from 1.41 to as high as 1.48 in the same set from an
OE engine.B  The advantage of using the higher ratio is the regrind cam can
have a larger base circle. There are other considerations like higher
acceleration of the valve event.B  But all can beB overcome with a complete
valvetrain package.B  Most aftermarket cams for spits are designed to use 1.47
to 1.5 ratio rockers - check with the cam mfgr.B  The only problem I have seen
is clearance with the valve spring retainer on some combinations.

Ron Krantz

ReK Racing
----- Original Message -----
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To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2010 8:29:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [Fot] Roller rockers

Tony,

I bought the Harland Sharp for a Spitfire 1300/1500 and later found out
(per my engine builder) their ratio is incorrect by enough that he won't
use them and guarantee they'll be 100%. B SOOOO if someone wants a brand
new set for say a street car (incorrect amount isn't a big deal there) I
will sell them for 175.00 for a brand new set. Also have a used set that
came on a old race motor, they are available for 75.00!


Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax
www.dieselperformanceparts.com
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From cwnfot at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 11:18:04 2010
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:18:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] low port cylinder heads ??
In-Reply-To: <D0B1CD43CB49412888EEDC7C69779F1D@latitudefb1e41>
References: <D0B1CD43CB49412888EEDC7C69779F1D@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <002c01ca908e$ec4e9850$c4ebc8f0$@com>

Pardon my ignorance but can you describe what you are referring to?

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
"Reality, it's not what you think."


-----Original Message-----
Subject: [Fot] low port cylinder heads

Are these rare? I have one lying around and I'm wondering what to ask for
it.

Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

From robertten1 at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 12:22:23 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:22:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] PARTS QUEST:  CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
In-Reply-To: <4B396EFF.1000103@greenheart.com>
References: <4B396EFF.1000103@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <8CC5EAF0A356AC4-2AB0-64F2@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com>

 Have checked any of the Jaguar parts suppliers ?   Most have them listed and
available, usually in sets of 6.

Best of luck,
Bob T








-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Wagner <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
To: Justin Wagner <jmwagner at tstonramp.com>
Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2009 9:52 pm
Subject: [Fot] PARTS QUEST:  CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps


Friends,

I am looking for a set of four (or whatever number I can find!) of these
specific 50's era CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps.   I'd be happy to
even get one, at least, to feel like I have a start.

If any of you are the type that have hoards of parts laying about, or
know someone that does, please take a look around or ask those buddies.
This one has been just out of reach for too long.  One or two has come
up on Ebay, but I haven't managed to snag them.

If you have 'em, let me know your price.  Just to mention it, I'd also
be happy to consider them in trade towards my silicone valve cover
gaskets, etc.    Just let me know!  Link below is photo of cap in case
the image didn't come through the e-mail.     Thanks.  --Justin Wagner

http://i.ebayimg.com/03/!Bh0O4pgBGk~$(KGrHqUH-C8EsM(4qTirBLK+yjFDkw~~_12.JPG
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Jan  8 12:35:56 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:35:56 -0800
Subject: [Fot] low port cylinder heads ??
In-Reply-To: <002c01ca908e$ec4e9850$c4ebc8f0$@com>
Message-ID: <49.5A.19471.B19874B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> Pardon my ignorance but can you describe what you are referring to?

Probably a TR2/early TR3 head.  The intake ports were moved upwards for
better breathing.

Probably worthless unless doing a 'correct' restoration.  I've got a "Le
Mans" head laying the shelf as well, if anyone is interested.  Should have
the intake manifold for it, too.

Randall

From cwnfot at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 12:58:37 2010
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:58:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] PARTS QUEST:  CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
In-Reply-To: <4B396EFF.1000103@greenheart.com>
References: <4B396EFF.1000103@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <001e01ca909c$f7f75580$e7e60080$@com>

Do a Google search for: 
CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps

Many results, such as: 
http://www.britishcycle.com/Products/champion_plug_caps.htm 

Google is your friend!

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
"Reality, it's not what you think."

From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Fri Jan  8 13:21:40 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:21:40 -0800
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Re: PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps]
Message-ID: <4B4793D4.70206@greenheart.com>

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [Fot] PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
Date: 	Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:19:36 -0800
From: 	Justin Wagner <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
To: 	Clark W. Nicholls <cwnfot at gmail.com>
References: 	<4B396EFF.1000103 at greenheart.com> 
<001e01ca909c$f7f75580$e7e60080$@com>



Clark....

Trust me.... I know Google... I have known Google for many years.  I 
consider Google my friend.  But for this cap, Google has not produced a 
source.

Look at your result, as an example...they have lots of vintage Champion 
caps.... not one of them is the one I am looking for.   Trust me, I 
would Google to the end of the world, before I'd reach out to newsgroups.

--Justin



Clark W. Nicholls wrote:

>Do a Google search for: 
>CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
>
>Many results, such as: 
>http://www.britishcycle.com/Products/champion_plug_caps.htm 
>
>Google is your friend!
>
>Clark
>Clark W. Nicholls
>1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
>"Reality, it's not what you think."

From list at mackenzie.aero  Fri Jan  8 13:31:19 2010
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:31:19 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5148.1262974692.4175.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.5148.1262974692.4175.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <002501ca90a1$8992bcb0$9cb83610$@aero>

I am running the Kirkey low back 'vintage' drag seats in my '62 Spitfire
Autocross car. They are exactly like the Pro-Street seats without the
headrest.
I bought them from Summit, along with the matching seat covers.  I just
received a Jan-Feb 2010 Summit catalogue and noticed last night that they
are no longer listing that seat.  They might be available somewhere else.
Be aware that some sanctioning bodies require headrests and some don't.  I
chose them because they were narrow enough and looked right.  Contact me off
list and I can send you a photo.

Robert MacKenzie
Austin,TX 

From cwnfot at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 16:07:43 2010
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:07:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
In-Reply-To: <4B4793D4.70206@greenheart.com>
References: <4B4793D4.70206@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <003c01ca90b7$63340950$299c1bf0$@com>

Using the Google results I would contact the vendors directly and see if
they can provide the specific part. Since they supply similar items. Or have
a lead you can follow.

Or try Hemmings.

I have a friend with a container full of old stuff from his father's auto
repair shop but finding anything would be near impossible!

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
"Reality, it's not what you think."

From jmwagner at tstonramp.com  Fri Jan  8 16:21:15 2010
From: jmwagner at tstonramp.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:21:15 -0800
Subject: [Fot] PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
In-Reply-To: <003c01ca90b7$63340950$299c1bf0$@com>
References: <4B4793D4.70206@greenheart.com>
	<003c01ca90b7$63340950$299c1bf0$@com>
Message-ID: <654366B5-76F2-4464-945C-41893A9D22AD@tstonramp.com>

I have been doing just that.  This "Parts Quest", complete with photo,  
has gone out to many folks.  In the end, it's sometimes about just  
catching the one person that knows he has some in his garage or  
specifically knows someone that does.

Some of the vintage caps are still being supplied all over, this  
particular one is not.

Give your friend my original parts quest with photo and maybe he'll  
take a look sometime after watching an episode of "Hoarders" on  
cable.  I know that show motivates me to unload unneeded stuff!

--Justin


On Jan 8, 2010, at 3:07 PM, "Clark W. Nicholls" <cwnfot at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> Using the Google results I would contact the vendors directly and  
> see if
> they can provide the specific part. Since they supply similar items.  
> Or have
> a lead you can follow.
>
> Or try Hemmings.
>
> I have a friend with a container full of old stuff from his father's  
> auto
> repair shop but finding anything would be near impossible!
>
> Clark
> Clark W. Nicholls
> 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
> "Reality, it's not what you think."

From GRMTim at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 19:19:26 2010
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 21:19:26 EST
Subject: [Fot] Need 1500 Spitfire bonnet
Message-ID: <ce4.67c3f088.387941ae@aol.com>

I have decided to take the plunge and tear my son's 1973 Spitfire down to 
the frame and build it back up. Just did a dual SU carb conversion that made 
me fall even more in love with Spitfires, so now want to do paint and 
chassis and suspension in time for VTR National convention this fall.

I looked the car over real good with my body man and he says we should 
start with a better bonnet/hood. Anyone want to sell a nice one at a fair price?

I have a usable one with some dings and rust, so don't want to go sideways. 
Need one that is really rust and bondo free. I could live with few parking 
lot dings. Thanks.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040

From robertten1 at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 19:29:15 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:29:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
In-Reply-To: <4B4793D4.70206@greenheart.com>
References: <4B4793D4.70206@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <8CC5EEAABDA3542-2AB0-BA66@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com>

 Try :

SNG Barratt at 1 800 452 4787 or web :  www.sngbarrattusa.com

Part Number is  WCX600
                               CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Cap



Cheers, Bob T









-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Wagner <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 3:21 pm
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Re: PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps]


-------- Original Message --------
Subject:    Re: [Fot] PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
Date:   Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:19:36 -0800
From:   Justin Wagner <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
To:     Clark W. Nicholls <cwnfot at gmail.com>
References:     <4B396EFF.1000103 at greenheart.com>
<001e01ca909c$f7f75580$e7e60080$@com>



Clark....

Trust me.... I know Google... I have known Google for many years.  I
consider Google my friend.  But for this cap, Google has not produced a
source.

Look at your result, as an example...they have lots of vintage Champion
caps.... not one of them is the one I am looking for.   Trust me, I
would Google to the end of the world, before I'd reach out to newsgroups.

--Justin



Clark W. Nicholls wrote:

>Do a Google search for:
>CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
>
>Many results, such as:
>http://www.britishcycle.com/Products/champion_plug_caps.htm
>
>Google is your friend!
>
>Clark
>Clark W. Nicholls
>1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
>"Reality, it's not what you think."
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 19:48:52 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:48:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <002501ca90a1$8992bcb0$9cb83610$@aero>
References: <mailman.5148.1262974692.4175.fot@autox.team.net>
	<002501ca90a1$8992bcb0$9cb83610$@aero>
Message-ID: <8CC5EED69AB49F7-30B8-C9A0@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com>

 Heads up -

A quick on-line look on the Summit Racing site and the KIRKEY Vintage Class
Bucket Seat is listed and available, along with vinyl covers. in 3 different
widths.  Just a reminder if you don't see it in a catalog(s) check on-line or
call.

So this might be a better way to go for my car as well instead of modifying,
welding an reupholstering my current seat to gain that period look.


Cheers,
Bob T








-----Original Message-----
From: Robert MacKenzie <list at mackenzie.aero>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 3:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Seat


I am running the Kirkey low back 'vintage' drag seats in my '62 Spitfire
Autocross car. They are exactly like the Pro-Street seats without the
headrest.
I bought them from Summit, along with the matching seat covers.  I just
received a Jan-Feb 2010 Summit catalogue and noticed last night that they
are no longer listing that seat.  They might be available somewhere else.
Be aware that some sanctioning bodies require headrests and some don't.  I
chose them because they were narrow enough and looked right.  Contact me off
list and I can send you a photo.

Robert MacKenzie
Austin,TX
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Fri Jan  8 20:04:14 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:04:14 -0800
Subject: [Fot] PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
In-Reply-To: <8CC5EEAABDA3542-2AB0-BA66@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com>
References: <4B4793D4.70206@greenheart.com>
	<8CC5EEAABDA3542-2AB0-BA66@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B47F22E.4030205@greenheart.com>

This is not the same cap.  

http://www.sngbarrattusa.com/imaging/partimage1.asp?id=8519

--Justin

robertten1 at aol.com wrote:

> Try :
>
>SNG Barratt at 1 800 452 4787 or web :  www.sngbarrattusa.com
>
>Part Number is  WCX600
>                               CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Cap
>
>
>
>Cheers, Bob T
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Justin Wagner <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 3:21 pm
>Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Re: PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps]
>
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject:    Re: [Fot] PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
>Date:   Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:19:36 -0800
>From:   Justin Wagner <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
>To:     Clark W. Nicholls <cwnfot at gmail.com>
>References:     <4B396EFF.1000103 at greenheart.com>
><001e01ca909c$f7f75580$e7e60080$@com>
>
>
>
>Clark....
>
>Trust me.... I know Google... I have known Google for many years.  I
>consider Google my friend.  But for this cap, Google has not produced a
>source.
>
>Look at your result, as an example...they have lots of vintage Champion
>caps.... not one of them is the one I am looking for.   Trust me, I
>would Google to the end of the world, before I'd reach out to newsgroups.
>
>--Justin
>
>
>
>Clark W. Nicholls wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Do a Google search for:
>>CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
>>
>>Many results, such as:
>>http://www.britishcycle.com/Products/champion_plug_caps.htm
>>
>>Google is your friend!
>>
>>Clark
>>Clark W. Nicholls
>>1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
>>"Reality, it's not what you think."
>>    
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 22:02:31 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 00:02:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 345-10/D - Champion, bakelite, non-resistor type
Message-ID: <8CC5F0015033E82-1CEC-E419@webmail-d037.sysops.aol.com>

 www.britcycle.com





345-10/D - Champion, bakelite, non-resistor type

From jmwagner at tstonramp.com  Fri Jan  8 23:01:57 2010
From: jmwagner at tstonramp.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 22:01:57 -0800
Subject: [Fot] 345-10/D - Champion, bakelite, non-resistor type
In-Reply-To: <8CC5F0015033E82-1CEC-E419@webmail-d037.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC5F0015033E82-1CEC-E419@webmail-d037.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <41F1E435-9513-4B70-8771-E19425846FBC@tstonramp.com>

These are the type that are found at all the usual suspects.  Long  
before I approached the newsgroups, I had run into all the similar  
caps, but not the cap that I am seeking.

It would be great to find some supplier has a hoard or is reproducing  
them, however I strongly suspect that is not the case.  I really did  
"work" at this before bothering you all.

I think the caps are going to have to come from a private party,  old  
junk yard, auto swap meet, etc.

It would be a "quest" if I was willing to settle for a part that is  
just similar to what I am looking for.   If I must, I will, but the  
quest would continue.


On Jan 8, 2010, at 9:02 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote:

> www.britcycle.com
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sat Jan  9 22:00:09 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:00:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Stag
Message-ID: <E898076E6791441EBACE6D27262399EF@your4dacd0ea75>

Just saw this on Ebay.

 

Paul

 

http://tinyurl.com/Uncle-Jack-Stag

From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sat Jan  9 22:18:55 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:18:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] uncle jack Stag
In-Reply-To: <E898076E6791441EBACE6D27262399EF@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <E898076E6791441EBACE6D27262399EF@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <92B070EE3F084A269F201CD92292C2ED@your4dacd0ea75>

Lower case letters...forgot...

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Behalf Of Paul MacDonald
Sent: January 10, 2010 12:00 AM
To: Fot
Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Stag

Just saw this on Ebay.

 

Paul

 

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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Jan  9 23:55:43 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:55:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Speaking of seats...
Message-ID: <4B4979EF.5020301@bradakis.com>

I've got a Kirkey economy layback seat I won't be using for a while, if 
ever.
Never installed.  Just the bare seat, no cover.  It looks like this:

http://www.summitracing.com/search/?keyword=Kirkey%2016400&dds=1


I got it several years ago when I still had thoughts of making Killer into a
better road racer.  That ain't gonna happen for quite some time.  If 
interested,
let me know.

Actually I may be offering quite a few goodies over the next little while.
After being out of work for four years and five months, I'm in a financial
bind, and am getting booted out of the shop I've been renting.  After 14 
years,
the stuff really piles up.  Some of it is actually useful.  Stay tuned for
further updates.

mjb.

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 10 11:14:05 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:14:05 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
Message-ID: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>

Anybody out there know of a Polyurethane or Aluminum bushing that fits  
the front eye of the TR3 leaf spring?  (not the rear shackle kit)
I had to take an angle grinder to the spring eye pin to get it out and  
destroyed my dad's custom aluminum bushing in the process.

I'm wondering if anybody out there may know of a part number for a  
modern car (or small truck) to save me a little leg-work.

I found a place that can make me a custom bushing but I'd prefer to  
find something off the shelf if possible.

Dimensions:  L 2.25"  W 1.325  Hole: .625"

By the way the replacement Stock bushing from Moss does not fit onto  
their new pin.

~Steve

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Jan 10 11:30:30 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:30:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
In-Reply-To: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>
References: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8CC603A1F8115E9-1384-1CB5D@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>

Look at what is available at McMaster-Carr in aluminum or bronze.

OD  1.325   ID  .625   Lgth   2.25






-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:14 pm
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing


Anybody out there know of a Polyurethane or Aluminum bushing that fits the
front eye of the TR3 leaf spring? (not the rear shackle kit)
I had to take an angle grinder to the spring eye pin to get it out and
destroyed my dad's custom aluminum bushing in the process.

I'm wondering if anybody out there may know of a part number for a modern car
(or small truck) to save me a little leg-work.

I found a place that can make me a custom bushing but I'd prefer to find
something off the shelf if possible.

Dimensions: L 2.25" W 1.325 Hole: .625"

By the way the replacement Stock bushing from Moss does not fit onto their new
pin.

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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 10 11:48:43 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:48:43 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
In-Reply-To: <8CC603A1F8115E9-1384-1CB5D@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
References: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>
	<8CC603A1F8115E9-1384-1CB5D@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <69374EA7-729D-41EE-BD37-6271270E1202@earthlink.net>

Thanks Joe, I could get this and cut it down:

http://www.mcmaster.com/#8931k91/=5beo9i

I don't think the extra pound(s) will matter.

~Steve




On Jan 10, 2010, at 10:30 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:

> Look at what is available at McMaster-Carr in aluminum or bronze.
>
> OD  1.325   ID  .625   Lgth   2.25
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
> To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:14 pm
> Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
>
> Anybody out there know of a Polyurethane or Aluminum bushing that  
> fits the front eye of the TR3 leaf spring? (not the rear shackle kit)
> I had to take an angle grinder to the spring eye pin to get it out  
> and destroyed my dad's custom aluminum bushing in the process.
>
> I'm wondering if anybody out there may know of a part number for a  
> modern car (or small truck) to save me a little leg-work.
>
> I found a place that can make me a custom bushing but I'd prefer to  
> find something off the shelf if possible.
>
> Dimensions: L 2.25" W 1.325 Hole: .625"
>
> By the way the replacement Stock bushing from Moss does not fit onto  
> their new pin.
>
> ~Steve
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From wes at hsrca.org.au  Sun Jan 10 13:19:14 2010
From: wes at hsrca.org.au (Wes Dayton)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:19:14 +1100
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
Message-ID: <C7708172.EF37%wes@hsrca.org.au>

Many thanks to all of those who responded to my questions - certainly turned
out to be a great thumbs-up for Kirkey seats. Now to figure out if my bum
will fit into a 15inch wide seat!

Wes

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 10 13:26:53 2010
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:26:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials
Message-ID: <BAY123-W321E3CE071DE45C1B83E95BA6E0@phx.gbl>

Sitting here in the snow daydreaming about projects. Has anybody stumbled upon
a differential conversion for the Spitfire similar the Nissan 300ZX setup?
Also is anybody autcrossing a Spitfire using a welded diff? hows it working
out for you?

Thanks,
Marty

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From m-syork at comcast.net  Sun Jan 10 13:53:43 2010
From: m-syork at comcast.net (Mark York)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:53:43 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear leafs
Message-ID: <000501ca9236$ff563710$64a91218@markv8zno7deim>

Amici

Does anyone have a recommendation for TR3 competition rear leaf springs? The
set I have on the car were from Moss Motors (p/n: 851-180) that I took to a
local spring shop and had the top leaf (with eye) flipped over and re-arched
to lower the rear end by 1 =. After a season of racing I noticed that the
right rear leaf is sagging by about >.

What rear spring rates does everyone run?

Thanks to all in advance.

Regards

Mark

From m-syork at comcast.net  Sun Jan 10 14:09:20 2010
From: m-syork at comcast.net (Mark York)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:09:20 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
In-Reply-To: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>
References: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000a01ca9239$2e023c10$64a91218@markv8zno7deim>

Steve
I went to a local metal distributor and bought a piece of bearing bronze. I
took it to a local machine shop and had them turn it down to the proper
size. Cost on a 20" piece of BB cost $99 and 1 hour of shop time was $65. I
may have a picture of the finished bushing around if you want to see them.
Regards
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Steven Belfer
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 10:14 AM
To: Friends of Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing

Anybody out there know of a Polyurethane or Aluminum bushing that fits  
the front eye of the TR3 leaf spring?  (not the rear shackle kit)
I had to take an angle grinder to the spring eye pin to get it out and  
destroyed my dad's custom aluminum bushing in the process.

I'm wondering if anybody out there may know of a part number for a  
modern car (or small truck) to save me a little leg-work.

I found a place that can make me a custom bushing but I'd prefer to  
find something off the shelf if possible.

Dimensions:  L 2.25"  W 1.325  Hole: .625"

By the way the replacement Stock bushing from Moss does not fit onto  
their new pin.

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From horizonracing at msn.com  Sun Jan 10 14:47:29 2010
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:47:29 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <C7708172.EF37%wes@hsrca.org.au>
References: <C7708172.EF37%wes@hsrca.org.au>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W1112DE97A8C26E90E2C5BB26E0@phx.gbl>

Wes,

You can spec. order any width seat you need. I had to have one at 19 inchs !!
for one of my Clients in an MGB.








> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:19:14 +1100
> From: wes at hsrca.org.au
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
>
> Many thanks to all of those who responded to my questions - certainly
turned
> out to be a great thumbs-up for Kirkey seats. Now to figure out if my bum
> will fit into a 15inch wide seat!
>
> Wes
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From andre at gt6.ca  Sun Jan 10 15:22:07 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:22:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <BLU136-W1112DE97A8C26E90E2C5BB26E0@phx.gbl>
References: <C7708172.EF37%wes@hsrca.org.au>
	<BLU136-W1112DE97A8C26E90E2C5BB26E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4362ae391001101422ud107f8dn278eb2dc3f249056@mail.gmail.com>

I picked mine up direct from Kirkey in Cornwall.

http://www.124racer.com/setup_kirkey_seat.html

I went with the 47 Series Intermediate Road Race Seat.
I had them ship the mounts and cover later on.

A.



--
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2010/1/10 Tony and Annie Garmey <horizonracing at msn.com>:
> Wes,
>
> You can spec. order any width seat you need. I had to have one at 19 inchs
!!
> for one of my Clients in an MGB.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:19:14 +1100
>> From: wes at hsrca.org.au
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
>>
>> Many thanks to all of those who responded to my questions - certainly
> turned
>> out to be a great thumbs-up for Kirkey seats. Now to figure out if my bum
>> will fit into a 15inch wide seat!
>>
>> Wes
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From munsonsb at telus.net  Sun Jan 10 15:22:21 2010
From: munsonsb at telus.net (munsonsb at telus.net)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:22:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear leafs
Message-ID: <13803604.583114.1263162141302.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes94>

Hi All - Great timing - as an addendum to Mark's question - has anyone had any
experience with a single leaf spring on either a TR3 or 4 and if so do you
know of a source?
Thanks.
Barry.

On Jan 10, 2010, Mark York <m-syork at comcast.net> wrote:

Amici

Does anyone have a recommendation for TR3 competition rear leaf springs? The
set I have on the car were from Moss Motors (p/n: 851-180) that I took to a
local spring shop and had the top leaf (with eye) flipped over and re-arched
to lower the rear end by 1 =. After a season of racing I noticed that the
right rear leaf is sagging by about >.

What rear spring rates does everyone run?

Thanks to all in advance.

Regards

Mark
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From dave at microworks.net  Sun Jan 10 15:53:35 2010
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:53:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <4362ae391001101422ud107f8dn278eb2dc3f249056@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C7708172.EF37%wes@hsrca.org.au>
	<BLU136-W1112DE97A8C26E90E2C5BB26E0@phx.gbl>
	<4362ae391001101422ud107f8dn278eb2dc3f249056@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B4A5A6F.4080608@microworks.net>

I'm installing a very similar seat in the TR3.

http://www.ultrashieldrace.com/prod.php?id=8

16" for the drivers side and 17" for the Passenger


Andre Rousseau wrote:
> I picked mine up direct from Kirkey in Cornwall.
>
> http://www.124racer.com/setup_kirkey_seat.html
>
> I went with the 47 Series Intermediate Road Race Seat.
> I had them ship the mounts and cover later on.
>
> A.
>
>
>
> --
> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
> '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
> Ottawa, ON, Canada
>
> You know, racing was a lot tougher before the Internet...
> Quote by Steve Smith GT6 Racer
>
>
>
> 2010/1/10 Tony and Annie Garmey <horizonracing at msn.com>:
>   
>> Wes,
>>
>> You can spec. order any width seat you need. I had to have one at 19 inchs
>>     
> !!
>   
>> for one of my Clients in an MGB.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     
>>> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:19:14 +1100
>>> From: wes at hsrca.org.au
>>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
>>>
>>> Many thanks to all of those who responded to my questions - certainly
>>>       
>> turned
>>     
>>> out to be a great thumbs-up for Kirkey seats. Now to figure out if my bum
>>> will fit into a 15inch wide seat!
>>>
>>> Wes
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 10 15:59:11 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:59:11 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear leafs
In-Reply-To: <13803604.583114.1263162141302.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes94>
References: <13803604.583114.1263162141302.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes94>
Message-ID: <5FF1129C-D818-4278-8ADD-DD74E278B4F2@earthlink.net>

I think the thing to do is to find a local spring shop and have a set
of two made up to copy your good one.

I just removed the leaf springs from my TR3.  They were probably okay
but the clips were looking pretty old.  I know they've been on the
race car for at least 21 years, maybe 30.

My springs have an added leaf to beef them up and they are de-arched
to lower the car. Due to the extra leaf, custom spacers were made to
for the top and bottom of the U-bolt clamps. My springs also have also
been ground in two spots for more tire clearance.  I think it was an
issue when it had big centerline racing wheels, slicks and flares.
Not sure if they need to be modified fore tire clearance with my
current 5.5" rims.

You may mount them and see that the car is too high (or too low) and
need  to take them back to change the arch a little bit.

If you haven't removed the springs already, the pin that holds the
front spring eye is really fun to remove!

~Steve


On Jan 10, 2010, at 2:22 PM, munsonsb at telus.net wrote:

> Hi All - Great timing - as an addendum to Mark's question - has
> anyone had any
> experience with a single leaf spring on either a TR3 or 4 and if so
> do you
> know of a source?
> Thanks.
> Barry.
>
> On Jan 10, 2010, Mark York <m-syork at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Amici
>
> Does anyone have a recommendation for TR3 competition rear leaf
> springs? The
> set I have on the car were from Moss Motors (p/n: 851-180) that I
> took to a
> local spring shop and had the top leaf (with eye) flipped over and
> re-arched
> to lower the rear end by 1 =. After a season of racing I noticed
> that the
> right rear leaf is sagging by about >.
>
> What rear spring rates does everyone run?
>
> Thanks to all in advance.
>
> Regards
>
> Mark
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Jan 10 16:01:03 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:01:03 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
In-Reply-To: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E1.8C.19578.03C5A4B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> By the way the replacement Stock bushing from Moss does not fit onto  
> their new pin.

FWIW, I just installed replacement stock bushings from TRF, and they fit
perfectly.

Randall

From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Sun Jan 10 16:06:51 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:06:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
References: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
Message-ID: <003301ca9249$98b09e20$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Hi, I use the Kirkey Intermediate road racing seat that I got from Jeg's
high performance in Columbus, Ohio. It came in different widths also ( I
know what you mean Tony!).
  Price was reasonable even after buying the seat cover. I'm pleased with it
and it does accomodate the HANS. It's made of aluminum so is easy to work
with as far as modifying, if needed.
  Good luck, Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: "Wes Dayton" <wes at hsrca.org.au>
  To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 3:51 PM
  Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat


  > Australian rules allow us to fit newer style racing seats; technically I
  > believe there is a specified list of 3acceptable2 seats but in reality
we
  > can get away with something as long as it is not too far 3out of
character2
  > (i.e. no great big wings9 etc.). I9m still using a very tired original
seat
  > and it9s time for a change. Trouble is finding something suitable that
fits
  > the rather narrow space available. Not everything is easily available in
  > Australia but I9d be interested in knowing what everyone is using.
  >
  > Wes Dayton
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 10 16:19:18 2010
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:19:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <4362ae391001101422ud107f8dn278eb2dc3f249056@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C7708172.EF37%wes@hsrca.org.au>
	<BLU136-W1112DE97A8C26E90E2C5BB26E0@phx.gbl>
	<4362ae391001101422ud107f8dn278eb2dc3f249056@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <526642.34925.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My seats are also Kirkey - I took a sawsall to them.
Andre - could you forward this picture to the FOT for me.

Thanks
Dennis

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_2938.JPG]

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 10 16:24:07 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:24:07 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the Snow picture finally appears
Message-ID: <AC4AF3BA-FF8E-4FF6-A10F-3B2D00125205@earthlink.net>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-TR3-TR3-1959-Triumph-TR-3-TR3_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem19b8f24799QQitemZ110477068185QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks

Here's the picture!

~Steve

From andre at gt6.ca  Sun Jan 10 16:26:43 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:26:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <526642.34925.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <C7708172.EF37%wes@hsrca.org.au>
	<BLU136-W1112DE97A8C26E90E2C5BB26E0@phx.gbl>
	<4362ae391001101422ud107f8dn278eb2dc3f249056@mail.gmail.com>
	<526642.34925.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4362ae391001101526t11926325w307a8fd00efef4ef@mail.gmail.com>

http://temp.justdrive.ca/IMG_2938b.jpg

As requested.

Nice covers.

A.

2010/1/10 Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>:
> My seats are also Kirkey - I took a sawsall to them.
> Andre - could you forward this picture to the FOT for me.
>
> Thanks
> Dennis

From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Sun Jan 10 16:28:45 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:28:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
References: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>
	<8CC603A1F8115E9-1384-1CB5D@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <006801ca924c$a8316660$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Hi Gang, I agree with Joe that the M-C catalog is a great place to look
for needed items. It's about 3500 pages, has quality items, and their
shipping network is excellent. They have a lot of information  in the
catalog, under the heading, "About...(subject)......."
  I get a lot of obscure parts from them; a lot of common stuff, too.
  Great place.
  If you haven't used them yet, give them a try.
  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
  To: <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 1:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing


  > Look at what is available at McMaster-Carr in aluminum or bronze.
  >
  > OD  1.325   ID  .625   Lgth   2.25
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
  > To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
  > Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:14 pm
  > Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
  >
  >
  > Anybody out there know of a Polyurethane or Aluminum bushing that fits
the
  > front eye of the TR3 leaf spring? (not the rear shackle kit)
  > I had to take an angle grinder to the spring eye pin to get it out and
  > destroyed my dad's custom aluminum bushing in the process.
  >
  > I'm wondering if anybody out there may know of a part number for a
modern car
  > (or small truck) to save me a little leg-work.
  >
  > I found a place that can make me a custom bushing but I'd prefer to find
  > something off the shelf if possible.
  >
  > Dimensions: L 2.25" W 1.325 Hole: .625"
  >
  > By the way the replacement Stock bushing from Moss does not fit onto
their new
  > pin.
  >
  > ~Steve
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sun Jan 10 16:56:49 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:56:49 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
In-Reply-To: <006801ca924c$a8316660$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
References: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>
	<8CC603A1F8115E9-1384-1CB5D@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
	<006801ca924c$a8316660$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <4B4A6941.2020504@greenheart.com>

I use McMaster Carr a lot....   for my film industry work...   and I 
order much of the hardware that I sell with my gaskets from them.  They 
are EXTREMELY efficient in getting orders out and sending paperwork, 
etc.   It's become very difficult to get physical catalogs now, but 
their online catalog is very handy for racers' purposes.  For example, 
you could search for a washer or a bolt by size.... thickness... type... 
etc... and really narrow down what's available, etc.

Now I do have a bias here... Their west coast distribution center is in 
Santa Fe Springs, CA, which is just a 1/2 hour or so drive for me.... So 
I use their Will Call quite often!

If you do get a catalog, hang onto it as Charlton Heston said he would 
relative to his guns.  It's not like it used to be, where they would 
send a new one very year.

--Justin

 

WILLIAM TOBIN wrote:

>  Hi Gang, I agree with Joe that the M-C catalog is a great place to look
>for needed items. It's about 3500 pages, has quality items, and their
>shipping network is excellent. They have a lot of information  in the
>catalog, under the heading, "About...(subject)......."
>  I get a lot of obscure parts from them; a lot of common stuff, too.
>  Great place.
>  If you haven't used them yet, give them a try.
>  Bill----- Original Message -----
>  From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
>  To: <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
>  Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 1:30 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
>
>
>  > Look at what is available at McMaster-Carr in aluminum or bronze.
>  >
>  > OD  1.325   ID  .625   Lgth   2.25
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
>  > To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>  > Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:14 pm
>  > Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
>  >
>  >
>  > Anybody out there know of a Polyurethane or Aluminum bushing that fits
>the
>  > front eye of the TR3 leaf spring? (not the rear shackle kit)
>  > I had to take an angle grinder to the spring eye pin to get it out and
>  > destroyed my dad's custom aluminum bushing in the process.
>  >
>  > I'm wondering if anybody out there may know of a part number for a
>modern car
>  > (or small truck) to save me a little leg-work.
>  >
>  > I found a place that can make me a custom bushing but I'd prefer to find
>  > something off the shelf if possible.
>  >
>  > Dimensions: L 2.25" W 1.325 Hole: .625"
>  >
>  > By the way the replacement Stock bushing from Moss does not fit onto
>their new
>  > pin.
>  >
>  > ~Steve
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Jan 10 17:31:53 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:31:53 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
In-Reply-To: <4B4A6941.2020504@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <E8.7B.19543.9717A4B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> If you do get a catalog, hang onto it as Charlton Heston said 

Gee, Justin, I wish you'd said something sooner!  I actually threw away my
last paper catalog from them and asked them NOT to send any more; as their
on-line catalog works so much better for me.  About the only things I can't
do with the on-line version are carry it into the bathroom and write on it;
which is more than compensated for by being able to "point and grunt" at
anything I want to buy with the on-line version.  It also supports "wish
lists" in the form of unplaced orders, which can be recalled any time,
edited, etc.

BTW, the SFS will-call center is open on Saturdays, but it turns out that
you have to phone in your order if you want to pick it up on Saturday.
On-line orders don't get processed until the next 'business' day.  But there
is a phone & catalog at the will-call counter, so you can place the order
right there if you wish.

Generally, you can find lower prices somewhere else.  But I find myself
using MMC more and more, because it's so easy and fast.

Randall

From kenandtweety at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 10 19:33:27 2010
From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:33:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] "Pick of the Liter"
Message-ID: <673816.61787.qm@web111408.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Bill and Bob,
  Congratulations being picked for the  feature article in the Jan/Feb issue of VINTAGE MOTORSPORT. Nice Shot of you two and that georgeous Thunder Bolt.

Ken Suhre

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 10 20:30:45 2010
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:30:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <BAY123-W242F93831AEC24D5F2CC59BA6D0@phx.gbl>

I would like to propose Jack McGahey for consideration to the group. Jack and
his wife have a fantastic TR6 and a whole gaggle of TR8's. He is the events
coordinator for VTR and the safety director for his SCCA region. Jack
autocrosses his Triumphs and is usually the one to beat in his classes. You
might have seen a nice write up on one of his TR8's in Hemmings Sports and
Exotics this past summer. Can I get a second?

Jack's email is
LimeyV8 at aol.com

Thanks,
Marty

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From Herald948 at aol.com  Sun Jan 10 20:45:49 2010
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:45:49 EST
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <c98.62343507.387bf8ed@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/10/2010 10:34:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
trmarty at hotmail.com writes:

I would  like to propose Jack McGahey for consideration to the group. Jack 
and
his  wife have a fantastic TR6 and a whole gaggle of TR8's. He is the  
events
coordinator for VTR and the safety director for his SCCA region.  Jack
autocrosses his Triumphs and is usually the one to beat in his  classes. You
might have seen a nice write up on one of his TR8's in  Hemmings Sports and
Exotics this past summer. Can I get a  second?
 
==AM==
You got it, Marty!
 
Good to have you here, Jack!
 
--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph 
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 

From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 10 21:21:43 2010
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:21:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W242F93831AEC24D5F2CC59BA6D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-W242F93831AEC24D5F2CC59BA6D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <636510.17682.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Jack would be a good addition to the group. I have known him for years.




________________________________
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, January 10, 2010 9:30:45 PM
Subject: [Fot] Nomination

I would like to propose Jack McGahey for consideration to the group. Jack and
his wife have a fantastic TR6 and a whole gaggle of TR8's. He is the events
coordinator for VTR and the safety director for his SCCA region. Jack
autocrosses his Triumphs and is usually the one to beat in his classes. You
might have seen a nice write up on one of his TR8's in Hemmings Sports and
Exotics this past summer. Can I get a second?

Jack's email is
LimeyV8 at aol.com

Thanks,
Marty

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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 23:30:01 2010
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:30:01 -0800
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Re: diffs]
Message-ID: <4B4AC569.7030401@gmail.com>

Here's the latest from Ken about the limited slip diffs.  It is easier 
just to forward it than to rephrase it.

Terian

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: diffs
Date: 	Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:03:54 -0800
From: 	BFEKen at copper.net <bfeken at copper.net>
Reply-To: 	BFEKen at copper.net <bfeken at copper.net>
To: 	TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>



 

    ----- Original Message -----
    *From:* BFEKen at copper.net <mailto:BFEKen at copper.net>
    *To:* TeriAnn Wakeman <mailto:twakeman at razzolink.com>
    *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2010 4:13 PM
    *Subject:* diffs

    *Teriann, So far we have had 13 what I would call serious inquires*
    *It looks like I will have to get a date from Darryl as to when they
    will be*
    *ready to ship& I will have to have each buyer to send say $700 by
    that date, a complete description of their car, their shipping
    address & any other particulars we might need.*
    ** 
    *Ken*

From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Jan 10 23:33:02 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:33:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W242F93831AEC24D5F2CC59BA6D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-W242F93831AEC24D5F2CC59BA6D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <ACB224B6989744009B1287B4D9EF0557@joepentiumnew>

I thought Jack was already a member, otherwise I would have recommended him.

I guess that qualifies as a second (or third).

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of marty sukey
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:31 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Nomination

I would like to propose Jack McGahey for consideration to the group. Jack
and
his wife have a fantastic TR6 and a whole gaggle of TR8's. He is the events
coordinator for VTR and the safety director for his SCCA region. Jack
autocrosses his Triumphs and is usually the one to beat in his classes. You
might have seen a nice write up on one of his TR8's in Hemmings Sports and
Exotics this past summer. Can I get a second?

Jack's email is
LimeyV8 at aol.com

Thanks,
Marty

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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Jan 11 01:43:21 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 02:43:21 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials
References: <BAY123-W321E3CE071DE45C1B83E95BA6E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A4FE39E1CFA04A6F927A4C55BDE1BEA0@rocky>

Dunno what the 300ZX setup is. Mine's essentially a GT6 diff, big case, big 
axles, 4:55 gearset, and pushed higher up in the chassis (new holes) than 
stock.

It's welded up. Used to have a No-Spin limited slip until I just used that 
sucker up to where it just wasn't repairable any more.

With the No-Spin I'd snap an inner axle about once a year, even big axles. 
Welded it up then because I couldn't find an affordable limited-slip then.

With the welded-up unit I've broken two inner axles in the 15+ years I've 
had it, both times in road races.

But mostly I autocross and it works just fine. Very predictable. The only 
"problem" is pushing it in the paddock and trying to turn. Frankly, at this 
point, I don't think I'd go back to the limited slip even though I can 
afford what's on the market now.

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 2:26 PM
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials


> Sitting here in the snow daydreaming about projects. Has anybody stumbled 
> upon
> a differential conversion for the Spitfire similar the Nissan 300ZX setup?
> Also is anybody autcrossing a Spitfire using a welded diff? hows it 
> working
> out for you?
>
> Thanks,
> Marty
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From LimeyV8 at aol.com  Mon Jan 11 07:48:41 2010
From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:48:41 EST
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <d39.626258d5.387c9449@aol.com>

Thanks Marty and Andy
 
good to be here
 
One small correction to Marty's overly-glowing intro - I am an active Solo  
Safety Steward in Central Carolinas Region SCCA, but I'm not the safety 
chief (i  wouldn't want JB to see that and think he could slack off this year - 
i  already give the safety speech at most events because he doesn't like  
to)  
 
Cheers,
Jack Mc
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/10/2010 10:45:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Herald948 
 writes:

In a message dated 1/10/2010 10:34:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
trmarty at hotmail.com writes:

I  would like to propose Jack McGahey for consideration to the group. Jack  
and
his wife have a fantastic TR6 and a whole gaggle of TR8's. He is the  events
coordinator for VTR and the safety director for his SCCA region.  Jack
autocrosses his Triumphs and is usually the one to beat in his  classes. You
might have seen a nice write up on one of his TR8's in  Hemmings Sports and
Exotics this past summer. Can I get a  second?
 
==AM==
You got it, Marty!
 
Good to have you here, Jack!
 
--Andy  Mace

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Herald engine with wings.
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From limeyv8 at aol.com  Mon Jan 11 07:59:31 2010
From: limeyv8 at aol.com (limeyv8 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:59:31 EST
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials
Message-ID: <3dcd.3b18d471.387c96d3@aol.com>

Marty -
 
there is a prepared Spitfire 1500 autocrossing in our region with a  welded 
diff - he is very quick and sometimes sets FTD - he's never had a problem  
with it, other than trying to make a sharp turn into a grid spot
 
Cheers,
Jack Mc
 
 
In a message dated 1/11/2010 3:48:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
rocky at spitfire4.com writes:

Dunno  what the 300ZX setup is. Mine's essentially a GT6 diff, big case, 
big  
axles, 4:55 gearset, and pushed higher up in the chassis (new holes) than  
stock.

It's welded up. Used to have a No-Spin limited slip until I  just used that 
sucker up to where it just wasn't repairable any  more.

With the No-Spin I'd snap an inner axle about once a year, even  big axles. 
Welded it up then because I couldn't find an affordable  limited-slip then.

With the welded-up unit I've broken two inner axles  in the 15+ years I've 
had it, both times in road races.

But mostly  I autocross and it works just fine. Very predictable. The only 
"problem"  is pushing it in the paddock and trying to turn. Frankly, at 
this 
point, I  don't think I'd go back to the limited slip even though I can 
afford  what's on the market now.

--Rocky

----- Original Message -----  
From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: "FOT"  <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 2:26  PM
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials


> Sitting here in  the snow daydreaming about projects. Has anybody 
stumbled 
>  upon
> a differential conversion for the Spitfire similar the Nissan  300ZX 
setup?
> Also is anybody autcrossing a Spitfire using a welded  diff? hows it 
> working
> out for you?
>
>  Thanks,
> Marty
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Jan 11 09:31:18 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:31:18 EST
Subject: [Fot] reinstatement of John McCue
Message-ID: <6405.6fd866ef.387cac56@cs.com>

JOHN McCue    slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net   

John was running a GT6 and then went to a Spridget for awhile.

He is back with a Spitfire.

Mark, please reinstate John and Amici welcome him back to FOT Fold.

Spitfire population is on the rise, methinks....this is a good thing.

Joe A
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 09:41:39 2010
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:41:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] reinstatement of John McCue
In-Reply-To: <6405.6fd866ef.387cac56@cs.com>
Message-ID: <821009.47170.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

So many little cars, so little time.  Welcome back.

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:


From: n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Subject: [Fot] reinstatement of John McCue
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 10:31 AM


JOHN McCue    slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net   

John was running a GT6 and then went to a Spridget for awhile.

He is back with a Spitfire.

Mark, please reinstate John and Amici welcome him back to FOT Fold.

Spitfire population is on the rise, methinks....this is a good thing.

Joe A
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From cak at dimebank.com  Mon Jan 11 12:06:45 2010
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:06:45 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1263236401.28615.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.3.1263236401.28615.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4B4B76C5.3070309@dimebank.com>

In some parts of the world, the hot setup for Spitfire differentials is the Datsun 510 diff ... 
which looks remarkably like the Subaru diff of recent years. I don't know the details, but I bet you 
can find out from some of the clubs down under.

From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 12:51:28 2010
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:51:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials
In-Reply-To: <4B4B76C5.3070309@dimebank.com>
Message-ID: <998723.66507.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

The following is a link found on the Spitfire/GT6 magazine web regarding a
Subie diff in a Spit6.
 
http://pages.prodigy.net/mikeross/00019.htm 
 
Interesting.
 
Ernie


--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Chris Kantarjiev <cak at dimebank.com> wrote:


In some parts of the world, the hot setup for Spitfire differentials is the
Datsun 510 diff ... which looks remarkably like the Subaru diff of recent
years. I don't know the details, but I bet you can find out from some of the
clubs down under.

From herald948 at aol.com  Mon Jan 11 13:43:52 2010
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:43:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials
In-Reply-To: <4B4B76C5.3070309@dimebank.com>
References: <mailman.3.1263236401.28615.fot@autox.team.net>
	<4B4B76C5.3070309@dimebank.com>
Message-ID: <8CC6115EB9B62B5-3BA8-346E@webmail-d090.sysops.aol.com>

 Similarly, I've heard of folks using that Subaru differential!



--Andy Mace

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*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Kantarjiev <cak at dimebank.com>


In some parts of the world, the hot setup for Spitfire differentials is the
Datsun 510 diff ... which looks remarkably like the Subaru diff of recent
years. I don't know the details, but I bet you can find out from some of the
clubs down under.

From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Mon Jan 11 14:48:39 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:48:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials
In-Reply-To: <8CC6115EB9B62B5-3BA8-346E@webmail-d090.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100111214840.TPYGC.83052.root@cdptpa-web07-z01>

Subaru and Datsun 510 do share a diff that is similar. I believe the diff is manufactured by Hitachi Heavy Industry's. Outward appearances are the same and when they first appeared in Subaru's they were the same on the inside, right down to the clutch type LSD. Over the course of time, up to today, Subaru's still uses the same diff case but has changed to viscous LSD (not good in this case for racing) and changed the way the stub axles are retained so the side plate and ring carrier is different. One of the websites out there details installing the Datsun/Subaru diff in a GT6/Spitfire. Do a google search.

Bob Davis

---- Andrew Mace <herald948 at aol.com> wrote: 
>  Similarly, I've heard of folks using that Subaru differential!
> 
> 
> 
> --Andy Mace
> 
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
> Herald engine with wings.
> -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)
> 
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> Register: http://www.vtr.org
> 
> Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
> Database: http://triumph-herald.us
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Kantarjiev <cak at dimebank.com>
> 
> 
> In some parts of the world, the hot setup for Spitfire differentials is the
> Datsun 510 diff ... which looks remarkably like the Subaru diff of recent
> years. I don't know the details, but I bet you can find out from some of the
> clubs down under.
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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Mon Jan 11 14:53:03 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:53:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials
In-Reply-To: <4B4B76C5.3070309@dimebank.com>
Message-ID: <20100111215303.5W3NL.83139.root@cdptpa-web07-z01>

If nothing else......GT6 Steve, makes a terrific conversion using the Datsun 510/240Z halfshafts in a GT6/Spitfire. 

Bob Davis

---- Chris Kantarjiev <cak at dimebank.com> wrote: 
> In some parts of the world, the hot setup for Spitfire differentials is the Datsun 510 diff ... 
> which looks remarkably like the Subaru diff of recent years. I don't know the details, but I bet you 
> can find out from some of the clubs down under.
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From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Tue Jan 12 11:48:34 2010
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:48:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Harland Sharp Roller Rockers
Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A696EB8@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>

Afternoon Members,

I posted a list a few days ago about how my engine builder didn't want
to use the Harland Sharp roller rockers I had purchased for my 1300
Spitfire vintage racer and that I wanted to sell them. He said they were
all over the place as far as dimensions etc.

Well seems I stirred up a hornet's nest of folks wanting to buy them and
also the manufacturer and Ted that distributes them too!

Anyway after getting the rockers I just sent them on to my builder,
never looked at them. He never looked at them either and when it was
time to use them this came up!  Last night he and I spoke on the phone
and he did some measurements. First off there isn't any off set in the
arm???  Then the shaft is 5/8" not 1/2". Seems we were shipped the wrong
parts maybe for MG???

Anyway Harland Sharp and Ted want them back ASAP and have told me they
will take care of getting me the right stuff too. Good customer service
I say!!!!!!!!!!!!

So I wanted to post that is seems this is a total SNAFU that is no
body's fault, just stuff that happens occasionally and will get resolved
shortly. If we (Me, Ted and Harland Sharp) find out different we'll be
sure to let you know.

Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax
www.dieselperformanceparts.com

From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jan 12 20:49:47 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:49:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
Message-ID: <20100113035001.6764F18766B@autox.team.net>

Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual 
shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP 
bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's 
1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the 
dimensions (length) I could try to cross reference the engines that 
ARP lists main cap bolts for.

Thanks in advance,
Tony Drews

From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Tue Jan 12 21:15:13 2010
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:15:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
Message-ID: <628916.18962.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Lister's: Is there anyone on the list who has taken TR7 gears and installed them into a Spitfire single rail box? If so, what are the in's and out's of the swap? 
Thanks in advance - Ed 

From srcypher at mac.com  Tue Jan 12 22:17:59 2010
From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott.Cypher)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 05:17:59 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
Message-ID: <1718385147-1263359924-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-91627234-@bda497.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

A variant of this mod is to get the input shaft of the 4sd tr7 trans modified to match a sing rail spit input shaft.  I have one a prior owner modified this way.


------Original Message------
From: EDWARD BARNARD
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: of	Triumph, Friends
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
Sent: Jan 12, 2010 23:15

Lister's: Is there anyone on the list who has taken TR7 gears and installed them into a Spitfire single rail box? If so, what are the in's and out's of the swap? 
Thanks in advance - Ed 
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-thanks.  Scott

From mpendy at dishmail.net  Tue Jan 12 22:29:44 2010
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:29:44 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
References: <20100113035001.6764F18766B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <68D04AE0917B4286B96D90C6B03C7667@Pendys>

Tony, All bolts measure 3.425 w/o washer, washer measures .150. This set i 
have appear to be stock. Mark
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:49 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP


> Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual shows 
> 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP bolts you 
> would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's 1/2" longer to 
> allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the dimensions (length) I 
> could try to cross reference the engines that ARP lists main cap bolts 
> for.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tony Drews
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From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 13 05:48:36 2010
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 04:48:36 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
Message-ID: <16435517.1263386916728.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I have had the TR7 input shafts splined to match a Spit then had them hardened. It was a bit expensive but better than the old way of welding them together.  I do have a great Dog Box for the Spits.  Joe 


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>Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
>
>Lister's: Is there anyone on the list who has taken TR7 gears and installed them into a Spitfire single rail box? If so, what are the in's and out's of the swap? 
>Thanks in advance - Ed 
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From limeyv8 at aol.com  Wed Jan 13 07:55:18 2010
From: limeyv8 at aol.com (limeyv8 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:55:18 EST
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
Message-ID: <4d77.46839f9b.387f38d6@aol.com>

I have a TR7 4 speed gearbox I'd love to get rid of - if anybody is looking 
 for one to do this with.
 
Cheers,
Jack Mc
 
 
In a message dated 1/12/2010 11:22:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
edwardbarnard at prodigy.net writes:

Lister's: Is there anyone on the list who has taken TR7 gears and  
installed them into a Spitfire single rail box? If so, what are the in's and  out's 
of the swap? 
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From gasket.works at verizon.net  Wed Jan 13 08:01:19 2010
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:01:19 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
References: <20100113035001.6764F18766B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <003601ca9461$43ff64f0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

What I did was just measure the entire legnth of the bolt and added a bit 
(can't recall) ... went to my local fastener place 
www.specialty-fasteners.com  and asked for off the shelf studs and wavy 
washers with 12 point nuts.  Never an issue since.


Mordy

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:49 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP


> Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual shows 
> 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP bolts you 
> would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's 1/2" longer to 
> allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the dimensions (length) I 
> could try to cross reference the engines that ARP lists main cap bolts 
> for.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tony Drews
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From bkahler1 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 08:08:40 2010
From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:08:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <628916.18962.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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There is a way to use the gears inside a Spitfire gearbox utilizing
the Spitfire input shaft I'd sure like to hear about it as well.
Using a TR7 gearbox is high on the list of things to do to Susan's
spitfire.

Brad


On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:15 PM, EDWARD BARNARD
<edwardbarnard at prodigy.net> wrote:
> Lister's: Is there anyone on the list who has taken TR7 gears and installed them into a Spitfire single rail box? If so, what are the in's and out's of the swap?
> Thanks in advance - Ed
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Wed Jan 13 08:50:06 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:50:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <f99bbf591001130708t1bc72565pd0a6b015ddb1a87f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <628916.18962.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <6512C01E-02DD-4CAC-B246-5A91BF3DB77C@comcast.net>

John at Quantum Mechanics has built GT6 boxes with TR7 gears, better  
bushings, etc.
he claims they are sturdier construction than a stock GT6 box, though  
I still managed to destroy one.

On Jan 13, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Brad Kahler wrote:

There is a way to use the gears inside a Spitfire gearbox utilizing
the Spitfire input shaft I'd sure like to hear about it as well.
Using a TR7 gearbox is high on the list of things to do to Susan's
spitfire.

Brad

From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Jan 13 09:54:05 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:54:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <6512C01E-02DD-4CAC-B246-5A91BF3DB77C@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <4AF5FBF91661464D9E7E7F272B623A6B@joepentiumnew>

 I have never seen a TR7 box disassembled but I am pretty sure that the gear
on the input shaft is different from the one on the Spitfire single rail.
Therefore, unless someone has manufactured a Spitfire sized input shaft with
the TR7 gear on it, I doubt this will be possible. 

Joe                                                       

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:50 AM
Cc: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire

John at Quantum Mechanics has built GT6 boxes with TR7 gears, better  
bushings, etc.
he claims they are sturdier construction than a stock GT6 box, though  
I still managed to destroy one.

On Jan 13, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Brad Kahler wrote:

There is a way to use the gears inside a Spitfire gearbox utilizing
the Spitfire input shaft I'd sure like to hear about it as well.
Using a TR7 gearbox is high on the list of things to do to Susan's
spitfire.

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From harmug at us.ibm.com  Wed Jan 13 14:45:11 2010
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:45:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1263409201.32309.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF355C4156.C55A6387-ON852576AA.007705F9-852576AA.00777C44@us.ibm.com>

John at Quantum Mechanics makes TR7 gear set, close ratio, full syncro
conversions for Spitfires that come in a standard single rail case. I'm
happy with mine, I've had it for about a year.

http://www.quantumechanics.com/
mike

From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Wed Jan 13 15:43:29 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:43:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
In-Reply-To: <615306.84777.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <615306.84777.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B4E4C91.6020609@blacksburg.net>

On 1/13/2010 8:41 AM, A Daniel Cronin wrote:
> Gang,
> would hope this information is shared with the remainder of the list!!
>
> Regards,
> Dan Cronin
>
ARP bolts for the TR4 mains are HAR 3.500-5, while the washers are 
200-8513.

For folks who haven't used ARP hardware before, they recommend cycling 
(torque/loosen) new hardware 5 times before the final torque.

jim

>
>
> --- On *Tue, 1/12/10, J.C. Hassall /<jhassall at blacksburg.net>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: J.C. Hassall <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
>     Subject: Re: [TR] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
>     To: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
>     Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net, jhassall at vt.edu
>     Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 11:09 PM
>
>     On 1/12/2010 10:52 PM, Tony Drews wrote:
>     > Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The
>     manual shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure
>     out what ARP bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and
>     also one that's 1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center
>     main.  If I had the dimensions (length) I could try to cross
>     reference the engines that ARP lists main cap bolts for.
>
>     Tony, 3.5 inches under the head.  I can give you the ARP number
>     tomorrow, but don't have access to my build log right now.
>
>     jim
>


-- 
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'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go

From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jan 13 16:03:21 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:03:21 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
In-Reply-To: <20100113035001.6764F18766B@autox.team.net>
References: <20100113035001.6764F18766B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4B4E5139.6080507@pobox.com>

Tony,
I don't know the dimensions, but the ARP part no. 200-6021 for the 
replacement bolts for stock rods.  They come in packages of two. Highly 
recommended.
Larry Young

Tony Drews wrote:
> Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual 
> shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP 
> bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's 
> 1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the 
> dimensions (length) I could try to cross reference the engines that 
> ARP lists main cap bolts for.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tony Drews
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jan 13 16:04:23 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:04:23 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
In-Reply-To: <4B4E1A40.40104@pobox.com>
References: <20100113035001.6764F18766B@autox.team.net>
	<4B4E1A40.40104@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <4B4E5177.3080604@pobox.com>

Oops, you said mains, I was thinking rods.  Sorry.

Larry Young wrote:
> Tony,
> I don't know the dimensions, but the ARP part no. 200-6021 are the 
> replacement bolts for stock rods.  They come in packages of two. 
> Highly recommended.
> Larry Young
>
> Tony Drews wrote:
>> Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual 
>> shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP 
>> bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's 
>> 1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the 
>> dimensions (length) I could try to cross reference the engines that 
>> ARP lists main cap bolts for.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Tony Drews
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Jan 13 18:08:20 2010
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:08:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Henry Frye
In-Reply-To: <818324346.8741301263430562289.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Hello everyone, 
I'd like to give recognition to Henry for contributing a great little article about the Portland Kastner Cup race in the latest issue of The Vintage Triumph. He mentions many details of the weekends racing and reminds me of the quality of camaraderie shared in the paddock. Henry is obviously excellent at many things including the barbecue. Thanks Henry. The Vintage Triumph is the publication of The Vintage Triumph Register. There were also a few good photos by Chuck Arnold and the Kastner Cup race results. 


Dave Hogye 

From igofaster at att.net  Wed Jan 13 18:22:12 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:22:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <6512C01E-02DD-4CAC-B246-5A91BF3DB77C@comcast.net>
References: <628916.18962.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<f99bbf591001130708t1bc72565pd0a6b015ddb1a87f@mail.gmail.com>
	<6512C01E-02DD-4CAC-B246-5A91BF3DB77C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <250224.49824.qm@web180706.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I too have destroyed a gearbox or two from Quantum... 

I did talk to Ric Cline today (thanks Bob Davis for referencing) and he's THE MAN that raced the GT6's in SCCA... He stated he had better luck with the GT6 gearbox but he always 'double clutched'... even stated he went through several TR4-6 tranny's and the GT6 box was better... I haven't been so fortunate even though I'm not running hard..
John @ Quantum is building me a TR6 gearbox with close ratio gears for my GT6... he has honored every problem I've had with his stuff but maaaaaan..... can I get a gearbox that will last,,,,, the world may never know,,,   (don't mind the Toyota T-50 in my car right now)

Bobby Whitehead
DP CVAR #39 Triumph GT6+
Cc: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 9:50:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire

John at Quantum Mechanics has built GT6 boxes with TR7 gears, better  
bushings, etc.
he claims they are sturdier construction than a stock GT6 box, though  
I still managed to destroy one.

On Jan 13, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Brad Kahler wrote:

There is a way to use the gears inside a Spitfire gearbox utilizing
the Spitfire input shaft I'd sure like to hear about it as well.
Using a TR7 gearbox is high on the list of things to do to Susan's
spitfire.

Brad
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Wed Jan 13 19:23:53 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:23:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
In-Reply-To: <4B4E4C91.6020609@blacksburg.net>
References: <615306.84777.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4B4E4C91.6020609@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <4B4E8039.3010908@blacksburg.net>

On 1/13/2010 5:43 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote:
> ARP bolts for the TR4 mains are HAR 3.500-5, while the washers are
> 200-8513.
>
> For folks who haven't used ARP hardware before, they recommend cycling
> (torque/loosen) new hardware 5 times before the final torque.
>
> jim
>
>    
Crap, I meant to mention that the 5 cycle issue is only for the first time ARP hardware is used with old threads.  Also, the torque for the mains is 95 lb-ft.

jim

>> --- On *Tue, 1/12/10, J.C. Hassall /<jhassall at blacksburg.net>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>>      From: J.C. Hassall<jhassall at blacksburg.net>
>>      Subject: Re: [TR] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
>>      To: "Tony Drews"<tony at tonydrews.com>
>>      Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net, jhassall at vt.edu
>>      Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 11:09 PM
>>
>>      On 1/12/2010 10:52 PM, Tony Drews wrote:
>>      >  Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The
>>      manual shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure
>>      out what ARP bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and
>>      also one that's 1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center
>>      main.  If I had the dimensions (length) I could try to cross
>>      reference the engines that ARP lists main cap bolts for.
>>
>>      Tony, 3.5 inches under the head.  I can give you the ARP number
>>      tomorrow, but don't have access to my build log right now.
>>
>>      jim
>>
>>      

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go

From jaboruch at netzero.net  Wed Jan 13 19:31:48 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:31:48 GMT
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main Strapping
Message-ID: <20100113.213148.15775.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>

I have already seen the bolt information posted, but I am curious why strap
the center main?  I have heard of others doing it, but not sure what it will
help with.  I run 13.6 CR, and have my rev limiter set at 7300 rpm and have
not had any unusual bearing wear.  What am I missing?  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:49:47 -0600

Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual
shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP
bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's
1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the
dimensions (length) I could try to cross reference the engines that
ARP lists main cap bolts for.

Thanks in advance,
Tony Drews

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From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jan 13 19:54:26 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:54:26 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Henry Frye
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Not only are Henry and his charming wife Helen a credit to the FOT, but he is
a fine hand at barbecuing lamb, a generous guest (loved the wine bud--it's now
one of our very favorites) and a tireless helping hand. Henry, it's good to
know you.

Incidentally, if you happen to be in Maui and see this rig, be sure to flag me
down.

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On Jan 13, 2010, at 3:08 PM, davehogye wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> I'd like to give recognition to Henry for contributing a great little
article about the Portland Kastner Cup race in the latest issue of The Vintage
Triumph. He mentions many details of the weekends racing and reminds me of the
quality of camaraderie shared in the paddock. Henry is obviously excellent at
many things including the barbecue. Thanks Henry. The Vintage Triumph is the
publication of The Vintage Triumph Register. There were also a few good photos
by Chuck Arnold and the Kastner Cup race results.
>
>
> Dave Hogye
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jan 13 19:57:19 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:57:19 -1000
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main Strapping
In-Reply-To: <20100113.213148.15775.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>
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Probably belt and suspenders, but for the small amount of work and weight, why
not. At least one of my motors has it, and hasn't blown yet. Of course it's a
lot like my elephant repellant. Haven't seen any elephants, must be working.

On Jan 13, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Joe Boruch wrote:

> I have already seen the bolt information posted, but I am curious why strap
> the center main?  I have heard of others doing it, but not sure what it
will
> help with.  I run 13.6 CR, and have my rev limiter set at 7300 rpm and have
> not had any unusual bearing wear.  What am I missing?  Joe(B)
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:49:47 -0600
>
> Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual
> shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP
> bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's
> 1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the
> dimensions (length) I could try to cross reference the engines that
> ARP lists main cap bolts for.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tony Drews
>
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 13 20:01:59 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:01:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
In-Reply-To: <4B4E5139.6080507@pobox.com>
References: <20100113035001.6764F18766B@autox.team.net>
	<4B4E5139.6080507@pobox.com>
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I've have a set of 8 of these [ARP rod bolts] new in the package if  
anyone wants them for my cost... maybe a little less. Don't remember  
what I payed and I'm a couple years late in sending them back, but  
let me know if interested.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Jan 13, 2010, at 4:03 PM, Larry Young wrote:

> Tony,
> I don't know the dimensions, but the ARP part no. 200-6021 for the
> replacement bolts for stock rods.  They come in packages of two.  
> Highly
> recommended.
> Larry Young
>
> Tony Drews wrote:
>> Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual
>> shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP
>> bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's
>> 1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the
>> dimensions (length) I could try to cross reference the engines that
>> ARP lists main cap bolts for.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Tony Drews
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 13 20:15:12 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:15:12 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Henry Frye
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Haven't seen the article, but I've got a hunch Henry could have been  
a bit understated in his TRrific efforts.
Did I remember to say thanks Henry?
[anyone want to scan it/send it?]
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Jan 13, 2010, at 6:08 PM, davehogye wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> I'd like to give recognition to Henry for contributing a great  
> little article about the Portland Kastner Cup race in the latest  
> issue of The Vintage Triumph. He mentions many details of the  
> weekends racing and reminds me of the quality of camaraderie shared  
> in the paddock. Henry is obviously excellent at many things  
> including the barbecue. Thanks Henry. The Vintage Triumph is the  
> publication of The Vintage Triumph Register. There were also a few  
> good photos by Chuck Arnold and the Kastner Cup race results.
>
>
> Dave Hogye

From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 13 22:08:16 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:08:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 accusump plumbing
Message-ID: <776706.15274.qm@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Can the accusump be plumbed into one of the oil galley ports on the side of
the engine? 

From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Jan 13 23:01:23 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:01:23 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 accusump plumbing
In-Reply-To: <776706.15274.qm@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <776706.15274.qm@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100114060140.3086118764B@autox.team.net>

That's supposed to be the best way to do it.  It bypasses other 
sources of oil pressure loss like the oil cooler and filter that way.

- Tony

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>the engine?
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jan 13 23:14:04 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:14:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 accusump plumbing
In-Reply-To: <776706.15274.qm@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <776706.15274.qm@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8C592C7C-619C-4D92-9866-B1191A8205E8@comcast.net>

Yes but you have to drill and tap for a -8 or -10 fitting
Jim g

Sent from my iPhone

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> Can the accusump be plumbed into one of the oil galley ports on the  
> side of
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Jan 14 06:13:33 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:13:33 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 accusump plumbing
In-Reply-To: <8C592C7C-619C-4D92-9866-B1191A8205E8@comcast.net>
References: <776706.15274.qm@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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Or an NPT fitting and use an adaptor to AN.  It's easier to find a tap,
that way.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Jim Gray
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:14 AM
To: Mike Mehl
Cc: Triumph Friends of
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 accusump plumbing

Yes but you have to drill and tap for a -8 or -10 fitting
Jim g

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> Can the accusump be plumbed into one of the oil galley ports on the
> side of
> the engine?
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From mlcooknj at msn.com  Thu Jan 14 08:03:24 2010
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:03:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Henry Frye
In-Reply-To: <4F15AAEC-F508-4733-930D-D3FD4DCC9659@earthlink.net>
References: <509370009.8745471263431300936.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>,
	<4F15AAEC-F508-4733-930D-D3FD4DCC9659@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY136-W10F3620E3CAA951266D221C86A0@phx.gbl>

Anyone who wants to read Henry's contributions to The Vintage Triumph (and a
lot of other good stuff) can always join the Vintage Triumph Register. Six
issues of TVT, a good website and lots of interesting fellow members ... $35/
year!



Mike Cook

> From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net
> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:15:12 -0700
> To: dlhogye at comcast.net; henry at henryfrye.com
> CC: Fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Thanks to Henry Frye
>
> Haven't seen the article, but I've got a hunch Henry could have been
> a bit understated in his TRrific efforts.
> Did I remember to say thanks Henry?
> [anyone want to scan it/send it?]
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
> On Jan 13, 2010, at 6:08 PM, davehogye wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone,
> > I'd like to give recognition to Henry for contributing a great
> > little article about the Portland Kastner Cup race in the latest
> > issue of The Vintage Triumph. He mentions many details of the
> > weekends racing and reminds me of the quality of camaraderie shared
> > in the paddock. Henry is obviously excellent at many things
> > including the barbecue. Thanks Henry. The Vintage Triumph is the
> > publication of The Vintage Triumph Register. There were also a few
> > good photos by Chuck Arnold and the Kastner Cup race results.
> >
> >
> > Dave Hogye
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From triosan at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 09:10:13 2010
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:10:13 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR4 accusump plumbing
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701D85@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <776706.15274.qm@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<8C592C7C-619C-4D92-9866-B1191A8205E8@comcast.net>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701D85@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d1001140810o4d817708u4ff4202098396cc5@mail.gmail.com>

OR do it like I [after Kas and GTSteve] did:  I have a one way valve
coming out of the oil cooler thermostat housing.  That connects to a
"T" fitting.  One end of the "T" goes to the Accusump.  The other end
goes to a fuel distributor that has an 1/2 inch NPT input a input and
6 3/8 npt outputs. Five of these outputs is hooked to  AN4 fittings.
Each of the 5 Galley plugs [TR6}, which are 1/8 npt, also have AN4
fittings.  Hoses then goe from the distributor to the galley.  There
is no hose back from the T to the oil filter.  All the return oil goes
into the galleys [per Kas suggestion when I discussed my number 6 rod
failure with him at the CRC].

Chuck

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
> Or an NPT fitting and use an adaptor to AN.  It's easier to find a tap,
> that way.
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Jim Gray
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:14 AM
> To: Mike Mehl
> Cc: Triumph Friends of
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 accusump plumbing
>
> Yes but you have to drill and tap for a -8 or -10 fitting
> Jim g
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2010, at 10:08 PM, Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Can the accusump be plumbed into one of the oil galley ports on the
>> side of
>> the engine?
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 13:10:33 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:10:33 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Dash
Message-ID: <65f1eaba1001141210y48939835v1941a4f4cb1b6304@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have an original dash panel for a TR4? I'm looking for the
original white painted fascia with the black surround around the
instruments. Feel free to contact me off list.

-- 
Very truly yours,

John Nikas
Cape Coventry Racing
www.capecoventryracing.com
(949) 375-6306

From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Jan 14 19:18:26 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:18:26 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
In-Reply-To: <20100113035001.6764F18766B@autox.team.net>
References: <20100113035001.6764F18766B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <002901ca9589$06748c40$135da4c0$@com>

I'm just taking the crank out today and measured the main cap bolts.  They
are the original Triumph bolts as they are stamped "SPARTS" on the heads.
The dimensions from the bottom of the hex head to the end of the bolts are;
3.420
3.430
3.420
3.450
3.400
3.445
as measured with a calipers.

On a side note, when we took the clutch and flywheel off there was NO oil
whatsoever at the rear main bearing seal.  Completely dry.  When I pounded
the felt pieces soaked in Indian head in with the trapezoidal punches I
made, I had felt coming out between the main cap and the block on both sides
almost the entire length.  I also used the Moss mandrel to locate the
aluminum bearing pieces.  That's after I turned the mandrel down to the
correct diameter.  It was too large as received and would have left a gap in
the aluminum seal.  The downside of this is that the rear bearing block came
out REALLY hard.  Broke my 1/4-20 pushers and had to modify the pusher block
to use 3/8-24 bolts to get it out.  But it did seal, just as Kas said it
would in his e-mails and book!!

Tim Murphy
1961 TR4 #317

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:50 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP

Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual 
shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP 
bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's 
1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the 
dimensions (length) I could try to cross reference the engines that 
ARP lists main cap bolts for.

Thanks in advance,
Tony Drews
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Thu Jan 14 20:07:21 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:07:21 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Bellhousings
Message-ID: <89C8323E11B44CF5B3549B996D384230@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

I've got two of the aluminum bellhousings that came with my race car when I
bought it.  They are quite a bit different, different flange to engine
thickness, different ribbing, etc.  The heavier of the two is cracked in
several spots, most likely from what appears to be sheared flywheel bolts
and the flywheel floating around loose inside the bellhousing.

I'm going to be on the lookout for a second bellhousing to replace the
broken one and carry as a spare.  Does anyone know what cars these
originally came off of to aid me in my search?  Thanks in advance.

Jim Norlin

From cwnfot at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 21:00:51 2010
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:00:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Bellhousings
In-Reply-To: <89C8323E11B44CF5B3549B996D384230@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
References: <89C8323E11B44CF5B3549B996D384230@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <01c301ca9597$551f85d0$ff5e9170$@com>

I think they were all on Heralds.
I'm sure Andy Mace will supply the information!
One of the "heavy duty" ones sold recently on ebay for $150

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
"Reality, it's not what you think."

From robertten1 at aol.com  Thu Jan 14 21:35:27 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:35:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Bellhousings
In-Reply-To: <01c301ca9597$551f85d0$ff5e9170$@com>
References: <89C8323E11B44CF5B3549B996D384230@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<01c301ca9597$551f85d0$ff5e9170$@com>
Message-ID: <8CC63B34BF53053-24B0-11B35@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com>

 They are available from Canley Classics.  Just a note DON'T use the thinner
version, they crack and break easily under race conditions.


My $.02
Bob T








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To: 'Norlin Engineering' <norlinengineering at comcast.net>; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2010 11:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Bellhousings


I think they were all on Heralds.
I'm sure Andy Mace will supply the information!
One of the "heavy duty" ones sold recently on ebay for $150

Clark
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From henry at henryfrye.com  Fri Jan 15 04:12:17 2010
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 06:12:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Henry Frye
In-Reply-To: <7993FDEA-539A-4AF2-A2A4-035930D0FD7A@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805056477@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local>

No problem, guys, you're quite welcome.

Just doing what I like to do...

From rkrantz77 at comcast.net  Fri Jan 15 05:07:36 2010
From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:07:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Bellhousings
In-Reply-To: <89C8323E11B44CF5B3549B996D384230@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <1055245270.12297691263557256848.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

The thin castings were on Heralds and the thick ones were on the early
Spitfires that came into the USA.

Ron K

ReK Racing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:07:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Bellhousings

I've got two of the aluminum bellhousings that came with my race car when I
bought it. B They are quite a bit different, different flange to engine
thickness, different ribbing, etc. B The heavier of the two is cracked in
several spots, most likely from what appears to be sheared flywheel bolts
and the flywheel floating around loose inside the bellhousing.

I'm going to be on the lookout for a second bellhousing to replace the
broken one and carry as a spare. B Does anyone know what cars these
originally came off of to aid me in my search? B Thanks in advance.

Jim Norlin
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From herald948 at aol.com  Fri Jan 15 07:16:39 2010
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:16:39 EST
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Bellhousings
Message-ID: <1e640.9c4ddb4.3881d2c7@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/14/2010 11:40:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
robertten1 at aol.com writes:

They are  available from Canley Classics.  Just a note DON'T use the  
thinner
version, they crack and break easily under race  conditions.
 
==AM==
Right! There are at least two versions. The one with fewer "ribs" and a  
very thin flange was used on the 948 and some early 1200 Heralds. The one with 
 more "ribs" and a thicker flange appeared on some early Spitfire 4 models; 
 I'm not sure how long it was used on the Spitfire, but I suspect it was 
largely  replaced by the cast iron version by the mid-1960s.
 
I've at least one of each, not counting what's on various cars I have  
about the place. They do take a fair bit of abuse...to a point (I've got one  
with a tiny hole or two resulting from the self-destruction of a pressure 
plate  in my Herald).  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph 
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 

From s.janzen at comcast.net  Fri Jan 15 13:20:51 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
Message-ID: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net>

has anyone had good or bad experiences with these?  Thinking about  
replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.

I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search  
the archives by subject?

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 16 08:13:35 2010
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:13:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
In-Reply-To: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net>
References: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W34400F27AB45EE25666076BA680@phx.gbl>

I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would definitely do it
again. Good stuff.

Marty

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> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
> Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>
> has anyone had good or bad experiences with these?  Thinking about
> replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>
> I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
> the archives by subject?
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Sat Jan 16 09:20:34 2010
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:20:34 -0800
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
References: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net>
	<BAY123-W34400F27AB45EE25666076BA680@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <668FE02A1E1747448773071DA00CDF8F@Pendys>

Guess i'm outta the loop here, how do i/we get more info. on this product, 
Mark P.
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Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets


>I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would definitely do 
>it
> again. Good stuff.
>
> Marty
>
>> From: s.janzen at comcast.net
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
>> Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>
>> has anyone had good or bad experiences with these?  Thinking about
>> replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>>
>> I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
>> the archives by subject?
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Jan 16 10:40:41 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:40:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
In-Reply-To: <668FE02A1E1747448773071DA00CDF8F@Pendys>
References: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net>
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This is probably a good place to start:
http://jmwagnersales.com/

Works with the stock valve cover, not the aluminum one as I 
recall.  The folks who have them seem to love them.  You really need 
to have the engine cool to install the valve cover with this gasket 
in place - the heat expands the gasket and makes things difficult for 
installation.  So, if you're frequently pulling the valve cover 
between sessions at the track it's a bit of a challenge.  Otherwise, 
it's a nice solution.

- Tony Drews

At 10:20 AM 1/16/2010, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>Guess i'm outta the loop here, how do i/we get more info. on this 
>product, Mark P.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
>To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:13 AM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>
>
>>I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would definitely do it
>>again. Good stuff.
>>
>>Marty
>>
>>>From: s.janzen at comcast.net
>>>To: fot at autox.team.net
>>>Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
>>>Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>>
>>>has anyone had good or bad experiences with these?  Thinking about
>>>replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>>>
>>>I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
>>>the archives by subject?

From triosan at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 10:57:51 2010
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:57:51 -0800
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
In-Reply-To: <20100116174121.BAC3F187652@autox.team.net>
References: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net>
	<BAY123-W34400F27AB45EE25666076BA680@phx.gbl>
	<668FE02A1E1747448773071DA00CDF8F@Pendys>
	<20100116174121.BAC3F187652@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d1001160957l18a142aex5313e3ab13983311@mail.gmail.com>

I use these for the 6 cylinder with non-stock valve cover:

Had very good luck with one a guy sells on ebay all the time.
Glue it to the cover so if you have to have head work done you do not
lose it [ask me how I know].
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220296018075&ss
PageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

vendor name is roadstergaskets

Chuck

On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> This is probably a good place to start:
> http://jmwagnersales.com/
>
> Works with the stock valve cover, not the aluminum one as I recall.  The
> folks who have them seem to love them.  You really need to have the engine
> cool to install the valve cover with this gasket in place - the heat
expands
> the gasket and makes things difficult for installation.  So, if you're
> frequently pulling the valve cover between sessions at the track it's a bit
> of a challenge.  Otherwise, it's a nice solution.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 10:20 AM 1/16/2010, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>>
>> Guess i'm outta the loop here, how do i/we get more info. on this product,
>> Mark P.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>
>>
>>> I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would definitely
>>> do it
>>> again. Good stuff.
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
>>>> From: s.janzen at comcast.net
>>>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>>>> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
>>>> Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>>>
>>>> has anyone had good or bad experiences with these?  Thinking about
>>>> replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>>>>
>>>> I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
>>>> the archives by subject?
>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 16 15:13:01 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:13:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
In-Reply-To: <668FE02A1E1747448773071DA00CDF8F@Pendys>
References: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net><BAY123-W34400F27AB45EE25666076BA680@phx.gbl>
	<668FE02A1E1747448773071DA00CDF8F@Pendys>
Message-ID: <8CC651033F27B65-2918-1602D@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com>

I only  use Justin's Gaskets....you only have to buy them once.

Happy user for over ten years






-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Pendergrass <mpendy at dishmail.net>
To: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>; Scott Janzen <s.janzen at comcast.net>;
FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:20 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets


Guess i'm outta the loop here, how do i/we get more info. on this product,
Mark P.
----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets

>I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would definitely do
>it
> again. Good stuff.
>
> Marty
>
>> From: s.janzen at comcast.net
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
>> Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>
>> has anyone had good or bad experiences with these? Thinking about
>> replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>>
>> I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
>> the archives by subject?
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sat Jan 16 22:42:56 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:42:56 -0800
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
In-Reply-To: <20100116174121.BAC3F187652@autox.team.net>
References: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net>
	<BAY123-W34400F27AB45EE25666076BA680@phx.gbl>
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	<20100116174121.BAC3F187652@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4B52A360.2080109@greenheart.com>

If you need to remove the valve cover on a hot engine, just make sure 
you have a bucket of ice water standing by....  If you soak the gasket 
in ice water, it will shrink and be far easier to re-install.   My own 
tests showed that this shrunk the gasket further than sticking it in a 
freezer.   Go figure!  

You could glue the gasket to the valve cover with RTV silicone gasket 
maker.   I didn't recommend it (for the 4 banger TRs) over the years, as 
I felt, in theory, the gasket might not last as long.   However, it's 
mandatory for the TR6 type gaskets and it has worked out well.   You 
could give it a try.  I would be interested to hear how it worked for you.

The gaskets don't work with alloy covers.  (Though I learned when I was 
in England, that one of the works TR4's has one installed under an alloy 
cover.  Nevertheless, I don't recommend it.)

FOT.... remember... you all get $10 off gaskets for your Race Cars.  
I've been offering that since the gaskets and FOT were born.

--Justin





Tony Drews wrote:

> This is probably a good place to start:
> http://jmwagnersales.com/
>
> Works with the stock valve cover, not the aluminum one as I recall.  
> The folks who have them seem to love them.  You really need to have 
> the engine cool to install the valve cover with this gasket in place - 
> the heat expands the gasket and makes things difficult for 
> installation.  So, if you're frequently pulling the valve cover 
> between sessions at the track it's a bit of a challenge.  Otherwise, 
> it's a nice solution.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 10:20 AM 1/16/2010, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>
>> Guess i'm outta the loop here, how do i/we get more info. on this 
>> product, Mark P.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>
>>
>>> I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would 
>>> definitely do it
>>> again. Good stuff.
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
>>>> From: s.janzen at comcast.net
>>>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>>>> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
>>>> Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>>>
>>>> has anyone had good or bad experiences with these?  Thinking about
>>>> replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>>>>
>>>> I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
>>>> the archives by subject?
>>>
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sat Jan 16 22:42:58 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:42:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
Message-ID: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>

Question;

At what point did we start
using F1 to describe the cars
in lieu of Grand Prix.

Pre - wing cars would include
the Lotus 49 but exclude the
49B.

Or would it be pre-carbon
fiber & driver aid cars.

jim g

From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat Jan 16 22:46:49 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:46:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
In-Reply-To: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
References: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS61B332FEC6448452AB503C3670@phx.gbl>

I still call them Grand Prix cars.

That is what they are after all, even if they are now ugly as sin and do much
of the work for the driver.

Terry Stetler
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jim Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
  To: Friends of triumph<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 12:42 AM
  Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1


  Question;

  At what point did we start
  using F1 to describe the cars
  in lieu of Grand Prix.

  Pre - wing cars would include
  the Lotus 49 but exclude the
  49B.

  Or would it be pre-carbon
  fiber & driver aid cars.

  jim g
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sat Jan 16 22:48:42 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:48:42 -0800
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
In-Reply-To: <8CC651033F27B65-2918-1602D@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com>
References: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net><BAY123-W34400F27AB45EE25666076BA680@phx.gbl>
	<668FE02A1E1747448773071DA00CDF8F@Pendys>
	<8CC651033F27B65-2918-1602D@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B52A4BA.40807@greenheart.com>

That's the main problem with the gasket... the gasket first came out in 
1997 and I still haven't had a wave of second-round orders... the gasket 
lasts too long!
:-)

--Justin



n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:

>I only  use Justin's Gaskets....you only have to buy them once.
>
>Happy user for over ten years
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Pendergrass <mpendy at dishmail.net>
>To: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>; Scott Janzen <s.janzen at comcast.net>;
>FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:20 am
>Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>
>
>Guess i'm outta the loop here, how do i/we get more info. on this product,
>Mark P.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
>To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:13 AM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>
>  
>
>>I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would definitely do
>>it
>>again. Good stuff.
>>
>>Marty
>>
>>    
>>
>>>From: s.janzen at comcast.net
>>>To: fot at autox.team.net
>>>Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
>>>Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>>
>>>has anyone had good or bad experiences with these? Thinking about
>>>replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>>>
>>>I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
>>>the archives by subject?
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sat Jan 16 22:52:33 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:52:33 -0800
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d1001160957l18a142aex5313e3ab13983311@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net>
	<BAY123-W34400F27AB45EE25666076BA680@phx.gbl>
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	<8cbd782d1001160957l18a142aex5313e3ab13983311@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B52A5A1.60508@greenheart.com>

I agree... this is the guy to buy gaskets from if you have an alloy 
cover.  

Here's his website... you can order directly...
http://www.roadstergaskets.com/TR234.html

I think for the stock covers, my gaskets have him beat, but his flat 
gaskets are the bee's knees for alloys.

--Justin



Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:

>I use these for the 6 cylinder with non-stock valve cover:
>
>Had very good luck with one a guy sells on ebay all the time.
>Glue it to the cover so if you have to have head work done you do not
>lose it [ask me how I know].
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220296018075&ss
>PageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
>
>vendor name is roadstergaskets
>
>Chuck
>
>On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>This is probably a good place to start:
>>http://jmwagnersales.com/
>>
>>Works with the stock valve cover, not the aluminum one as I recall.  The
>>folks who have them seem to love them.  You really need to have the engine
>>cool to install the valve cover with this gasket in place - the heat
>>    
>>
>expands
>  
>
>>the gasket and makes things difficult for installation.  So, if you're
>>frequently pulling the valve cover between sessions at the track it's a bit
>>of a challenge.  Otherwise, it's a nice solution.
>>
>>- Tony Drews
>>
>>At 10:20 AM 1/16/2010, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Guess i'm outta the loop here, how do i/we get more info. on this product,
>>>Mark P.
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
>>>To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>>>Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:13 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would definitely
>>>>do it
>>>>again. Good stuff.
>>>>
>>>>Marty
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>From: s.janzen at comcast.net
>>>>>To: fot at autox.team.net
>>>>>Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
>>>>>Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>>>>
>>>>>has anyone had good or bad experiences with these?  Thinking about
>>>>>replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
>>>>>the archives by subject?
>>>>>          
>>>>>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan 17 03:36:43 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:36:43 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
In-Reply-To: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
References: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
Message-ID: <000901ca9760$f6c6aab0$e4540010$@com>

I have some old TV shows from the 60ties and listened to how they called the
cars:
The TV narrator called them F1-cars in year 65. Sorry that I don't have
earlier  shows.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Jim Gray
Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. Januar 2010 06:43
An: Friends of triumph
Betreff: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1

Question;

At what point did we start
using F1 to describe the cars
in lieu of Grand Prix.

Pre - wing cars would include
the Lotus 49 but exclude the
49B.

Or would it be pre-carbon
fiber & driver aid cars.

jim g
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 07:04:08 2010
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 06:04:08 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
In-Reply-To: <000901ca9760$f6c6aab0$e4540010$@com>
References: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
	<000901ca9760$f6c6aab0$e4540010$@com>
Message-ID: <4B5318D8.2070409@gmail.com>

I always thought "Grand Prix" was a family of vehicles with certain 
characteristics and that within the family umbrella you had the formula 
1, formula 2, formula-V, formula Ford & so on.  But then again I've 
never been a serious student of race car classification.

Teriann

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Sun Jan 17 07:51:37 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 08:51:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701DCD@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

I bought one from this same guy for my Spitfire (stock valve cover gasket) and have been very happy with it.

Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>
To: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
Cc: Triumph <6pack at autox.team.net>; FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat Jan 16 11:57:51 2010
Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets

I use these for the 6 cylinder with non-stock valve cover:

Had very good luck with one a guy sells on ebay all the time.
Glue it to the cover so if you have to have head work done you do not
lose it [ask me how I know].
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220296018075&ss
PageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

vendor name is roadstergaskets

Chuck

On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> This is probably a good place to start:
> http://jmwagnersales.com/
>
> Works with the stock valve cover, not the aluminum one as I recall.  The
> folks who have them seem to love them.  You really need to have the engine
> cool to install the valve cover with this gasket in place - the heat
expands
> the gasket and makes things difficult for installation.  So, if you're
> frequently pulling the valve cover between sessions at the track it's a bit
> of a challenge.  Otherwise, it's a nice solution.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 10:20 AM 1/16/2010, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>>
>> Guess i'm outta the loop here, how do i/we get more info. on this product,
>> Mark P.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>
>>
>>> I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would definitely
>>> do it
>>> again. Good stuff.
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
>>>> From: s.janzen at comcast.net
>>>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>>>> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
>>>> Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>>>
>>>> has anyone had good or bad experiences with these?  Thinking about
>>>> replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>>>>
>>>> I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
>>>> the archives by subject?
>
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From billdentin at aol.com  Sun Jan 17 08:58:28 2010
From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:58:28 EST
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
Message-ID: <15ad8.51e66b16.38848da4@aol.com>

In a message dated 01/16/2010 11:47:01 PM Central Standard Time, 
tlizzard at msn.com writes:


> That is what they are after all, even if they are now ugly as sin and do 
> much
> of the work for the driver.
> 
> 

Terry...

I took that same slant, but down a different road one time when I presented 
a question to David Hobbs, who was speaking at a VSCDA banquet I attended.  
As you might know, his family was involved in the manufacture of automatic 
transmissions and they were even used in race cars.  The thought of 
automatic transmissions in race cars fascinated me, since serious arthritis has 
become such an issue in my hips and knees.  But I presented the question similar 
to your take, suggesting modern drivers have cars that do much work for 
them.  Hobbs came back quickly, and without taking a breath.  He said, "At the 
speeds they are going now, they had better have cars that are helping them 
do their work."  

Incidentally, David Hobbs raced against the Tornado (TR3) Thunder Bolt back 
in England in the old days.  And in fact has a picture of it on the wall 
behind his desk at his Honda Dealership here near Milwaukee.  Granted his 
Lotus is in front of it in the picture, but there's the Thunder Bolt right 
behind.

And talking about pictures of our Thunder Bolt, there is a nice one in the 
2010 JAN/FEB issue of VINTAGE MOTORSPORTS as the 'Pick of the Litter' at 
last September's Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival races.  It's a nice little 
article, but NOTHING compared to the feature article in the same issue on Greg 
Sowlow, the Engine Room, Baby Doll(s), et al.  That's a SUPER article.  Kudos 
one and all!  As they hollered when Lady Godiva rode naked and side saddle 
through the streets of Conventry, "Hooray for our side!"

Bill Dentinger
  

Bill Dentinger

From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jan 17 10:57:33 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:57:33 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
In-Reply-To: <4B5318D8.2070409@gmail.com>
References: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
	<000901ca9760$f6c6aab0$e4540010$@com> <4B5318D8.2070409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CFAD44C8-0C23-40D7-9A61-18A96943CD8F@bnj.com>


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan 17 11:08:57 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:08:57 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
In-Reply-To: <4B5318D8.2070409@gmail.com>
References: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
	<000901ca9760$f6c6aab0$e4540010$@com> <4B5318D8.2070409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001101ca97a0$26388400$72a98c00$@com>

I had a look on the German Wiki site about the F1.
They telling that they wanted to break the German domination at the Grand
Prix racing in the 30ies and created a new regulation in year 1947 and
called it "Formula 1" and added a F2 and F3 with smaller engine capathity.
The cars before '47 were Grand Prix cars, the cars after '47 were F1 cars.
The races before 1950 were a European racing. Since 1950 it became a World
championship.

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. Januar 2010 15:04
An: FOT
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1

I always thought "Grand Prix" was a family of vehicles with certain
characteristics and that within the family umbrella you had the formula
1, formula 2, formula-V, formula Ford & so on.  But then again I've
never been a serious student of race car classification.

Teriann
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 17 12:49:26 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:49:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
In-Reply-To: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
References: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
Message-ID: <968601.34561.qm@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I happen to have a copy of the FIA 1970 year book of Autombile sport.  It is
the rule book published by the FIA.  Advertisements all refer to the F1 Grand
Prix world championship.  If I am not mistaken F1 became more prevelant when
Bernie Ecclestone took over marketing F1 in the early 80s.  I have have Indy
programs from the 60s at which time Indy was part of the world championship
series.  I looked at a few other race programs I have.  The 1969 British GP
program says RAC British Grand Prix 19 July 1969 (no F1 on the cover).  The
1971 British GP program also has no F1 on the cover.  The 1971 French GP
program does not say Grand Prix but does say Formule 1 onthe cover.  I have
the 1972 USGP program which says on the cover Grand Prix of the United
States.  Formula 1 for the World Championship of Drivers.  One thing that is
pretty cool about the programs is my 69 British GP program is signed by Jack
Brabham, Bruce McLaren, Chirs Amon, Jochen
 Rindt, Piers Courage, Jo Siffert, Jacky Ickx and Denny Hulme.  I got the
signatures myself at age 7.  Jims email sparked me to look at the programs. 
Thanks

Mike Mehl




________________________________
From: Jim Gray
<toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: Friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Sat, January 16, 2010 9:42:58 PM
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
Question;

At what point did we start
using F1 to describe the cars
in lieu of
Grand Prix.

Pre - wing cars would include
the Lotus 49 but exclude the
49B.
Or would it be pre-carbon
fiber & driver aid cars.

jim g
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Sun Jan 17 13:22:52 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:22:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
References: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
	<968601.34561.qm@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002801ca97b2$d9387850$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Mike, those are some pretty impressive signatures!
  Best I could do at the USGP in '68 was sneak into the Kendall Tech Center
after the race, help some British guys on a race team carry some items into
the garage, and chat with them. And hang around until 3 guys came walking up
with a giant bottle of champagne, gave it to the crew for a sip or two, who
promptly offered it to me! Didn't have a camera but did have a race program
and a pen. Jackie Stewart, who just won the race, Ken Terrell, his car
owner, and The Bear, Denny Hulme all signed it. I was in hog heaven! Still
got the program.
  And been hooked ever since.
  Great memories. Also lots of great memories since joining the Vintage
bunch. More to come.
  Bill--- Original Message -----
  From: "Mike Mehl" <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
  To: "Jim Gray" <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
  Cc: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 2:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1


  > I happen to have a copy of the FIA 1970 year book of Autombile sport.
It is
  > the rule book published by the FIA.  Advertisements all refer to the F1
Grand
  > Prix world championship.  If I am not mistaken F1 became more prevelant
when
  > Bernie Ecclestone took over marketing F1 in the early 80s.  I have have
Indy
  > programs from the 60s at which time Indy was part of the world
championship
  > series.  I looked at a few other race programs I have.  The 1969 British
GP
  > program says RAC British Grand Prix 19 July 1969 (no F1 on the cover).
The
  > 1971 British GP program also has no F1 on the cover.  The 1971 French GP
  > program does not say Grand Prix but does say Formule 1 onthe cover.  I
have
  > the 1972 USGP program which says on the cover Grand Prix of the United
  > States.  Formula 1 for the World Championship of Drivers.  One thing
that is
  > pretty cool about the programs is my 69 British GP program is signed by
Jack
  > Brabham, Bruce McLaren, Chirs Amon, Jochen
  >  Rindt, Piers Courage, Jo Siffert, Jacky Ickx and Denny Hulme.  I got
the
  > signatures myself at age 7.  Jims email sparked me to look at the
programs.
  > Thanks
  >
  > Mike Mehl
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > ________________________________
  > From: Jim Gray
  > <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
  > To: Friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
  > Sent:
  > Sat, January 16, 2010 9:42:58 PM
  > Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
  > Question;
  >
  > At what point did we start
  > using F1 to describe the cars
  > in lieu of
  > Grand Prix.
  >
  > Pre - wing cars would include
  > the Lotus 49 but exclude the
  > 49B.
  > Or would it be pre-carbon
  > fiber & driver aid cars.
  >
  > jim g
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan 17 14:32:54 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:32:54 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Season 2005
In-Reply-To: <968601.34561.qm@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
	<968601.34561.qm@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601ca97bc$a40112a0$ec0337e0$@com>

Got a CD from a professional photographer with loads of photos from the
season 2005, my 2nd season.
I just have uploaded 300 pics.
Visible is a TRS.
My car has the old US roll bar which I didn't came through scruteneering a
year later.
You might like to watch:

http://www.tr4-racing.de/pic/2005/nurburgring/Index.html

Cheers
Chris

From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Sun Jan 17 21:24:51 2010
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:24:51 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW: rocker arm spacers
Message-ID: <000d01ca97f6$2dcda000$6501a8c0@blake1>

Maybe someone out there has already been through this.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg & Alison Blake [mailto:ablake2 at austin.rr.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:03 PM
To: 'N197TR4 at cs.com'
Subject: rocker arm spacers
 
Joe,
 
I have what I believe to be a set of your TR3/4 Nylatron Rocker Arm
Spacers (sourced from Moss).  Once I have the rocker gear assembled, as
I slide it on the pedestal bolts it is pretty tough to get the pedestals
to line up with the bolts.  I have to compress the assembly from the
front of the car to get the pedestal holes to line up with the bolts.
Then I have to push down pretty good to get the whole assembly to set
down onto the head.  As you can imagine, once I have done this, the
rocker arms themselves are very difficult to rotate.  So I have a couple
of questions before I torque things down and set the valve lash:
1.	Are these to be installed with a side clearance between the
spacer and the rocker arm?  What is the spec?
2.	Do they install tight and wear in?
3.	Were they meant to be a cut to fit application?
4.	What are the correct measurements for the various spacers?
5.	What is the best way to shave a few thousands off this material?
Flat surface and 600 cloth?
 
I am using a set of the special rocker arm pedestals that support the
ends of the rocker shaft sourced from British Frame and Engine.  I have
not put the calipers to the pedestals yet, maybe they are slightly
thicker than stock?
 
Thanks,
 
Greg

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 17 21:19:34 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:19:34 -0800
Subject: [Fot] FW: rocker arm spacers
In-Reply-To: <000d01ca97f6$2dcda000$6501a8c0@blake1>
References: <000d01ca97f6$2dcda000$6501a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <74145A8D-7B9C-4A5A-AEFF-3361D3760F4C@earthlink.net>

I've been through it.

First of all, the rocket pedistals from BFE are really cool.  They do,  
however need to modified to avoid hitting the ARP head stud nuts.   
This is accomplished with a die-grinder and you want to take a little  
off at a time so that you keep the thing strong.  Be sure to clean off  
all metal shavings before trying it on your cyl-head.  You don't want  
to get metal flakes in the oil.
Joe's rocker arm spacers are cool too but not made for Ken's rocker  
arm pedistals.  I sanded mine down to shave off enough material to  
make them fit.  I think I sanded them lop-sided and then got them  
"square" and wound up taking a little too much off. The really thin  
ones in the kit don't seem to work for me so I found some 5/8 ID thin  
aluminum washers that did the job.  .010 is the min clearance but more  
is okay.  I believe it was mentioned that you want to make sure there  
is ample clearance hot (.010)

~Steve



On Jan 17, 2010, at 8:24 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:

Maybe someone out there has already been through this.

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg & Alison Blake [mailto:ablake2 at austin.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:03 PM
To: 'N197TR4 at cs.com'
Subject: rocker arm spacers

Joe,

I have what I believe to be a set of your TR3/4 Nylatron Rocker Arm
Spacers (sourced from Moss).  Once I have the rocker gear assembled, as
I slide it on the pedestal bolts it is pretty tough to get the pedestals
to line up with the bolts.  I have to compress the assembly from the
front of the car to get the pedestal holes to line up with the bolts.
Then I have to push down pretty good to get the whole assembly to set
down onto the head.  As you can imagine, once I have done this, the
rocker arms themselves are very difficult to rotate.  So I have a couple
of questions before I torque things down and set the valve lash:
1.	Are these to be installed with a side clearance between the
spacer and the rocker arm?  What is the spec?
2.	Do they install tight and wear in?
3.	Were they meant to be a cut to fit application?
4.	What are the correct measurements for the various spacers?
5.	What is the best way to shave a few thousands off this material?
Flat surface and 600 cloth?

I am using a set of the special rocker arm pedestals that support the
ends of the rocker shaft sourced from British Frame and Engine.  I have
not put the calipers to the pedestals yet, maybe they are slightly
thicker than stock?

Thanks,

Greg
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Jan 18 08:30:49 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:30:49 EST
Subject: [Fot] ARE Rocker Arm Spacers
Message-ID: <2c80c.e2c040b.3885d8a9@cs.com>

> > I have what I believe to be a set of your TR3/4 Nylatron Rocker Arm 
> > Spacers (sourced from Moss). 
> > 
> > Are these to be installed with a side clearance between the spacer and 
> the 
> > rocker arm?  What is the spec?
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------------------------
> Yes...there are supposed to be instructions that ask for .010 min as a 
> 'guide' to allow for unknow rates of expansion. 
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------  
> > 
> > What is the best way to shave a few thousands off this material?  Flat 
> > surface and 600 cloth?

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------ 

> 
> This will work and is suggested in the instructions. Other producers 
> simply 
> make them way too short. I wanted to position the tip to the stem so it 
> was 
> consistent. 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------------------------------
> > I am using a set of the special rocker arm pedestals that support the 
> > ends of the rocker shaft sourced from British Frame and Engine.  I have 
> not 
> > put the calipers to the pedestals yet, maybe they are slightly thicker 
> than 
> > stock?
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------
> Uncle Jack encountered this and removed a little extra material. He was 
> very pleased with the outcome and included the spacers on all of his 
> engines.
> 
> Longevity:  Mike/Steve Belfer have used a Delrin Set for over two decades 
> and they are still on one of the original engines. And Delrin has a 
> slightly 
> lower heat working range.
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 
> For further entertainment look at    photobucket.com/ambro      there's 
> also some stuff in process of development, but not in production yet.
> 
> 

</HTML>

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Jan 18 08:36:55 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:36:55 EST
Subject: [Fot] ARE Rocker Arm Spacers - AN OFFER to FOT
Message-ID: <2cacf.61f95451.3885da17@cs.com>

FOT:

While we are on this subject, please contact me for special pricing to FOT 
on the Nylatron Spacers.  I also have TR3/4 in Delrin. (If you wish to 
replace your springs or existing spacers)

Available for TR3/4  GT6  TR6  Vittesse  MGB

Pending for Spitfire, but GT6/TR6 kit can be made to work.  (actually a 
GT6/TR6 kit will make two Spitfire kits)

Joe Alexander</HTML>

From brad.kahler at 141.com  Mon Jan 18 11:58:58 2010
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:58:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & TR6 rocker pedestals
Message-ID: <f99bbf591001181058m2913c51ck32ae0d18d5b7da54@mail.gmail.com>

Amici,

Over the years probably one of the biggest problems we've had with
engines we build for Susan's Spitfire is the outer rocker pedestals
breaking due to the forces involved with the high lift cams.

Currently I'm not aware of any sources for aftermarket pedals for use
with stock rocker arms.  So the question is other than roller rockers
are there any aftermarket pedestals available for the Spitfire & TR6
engines?

Thanks!

Brad

From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 12:15:27 2010
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:15:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & TR6 rocker pedestals
In-Reply-To: <f99bbf591001181058m2913c51ck32ae0d18d5b7da54@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99bbf591001181058m2913c51ck32ae0d18d5b7da54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <561876.19925.qm@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I have had the same problem. Of all the ones I have used over the years, Goodparts have held up the best. 
Mike




________________________________
From: Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 12:58:58 PM
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & TR6 rocker pedestals

Amici,

Over the years probably one of the biggest problems we've had with
engines we build for Susan's Spitfire is the outer rocker pedestals
breaking due to the forces involved with the high lift cams.

Currently I'm not aware of any sources for aftermarket pedals for use
with stock rocker arms.  So the question is other than roller rockers
are there any aftermarket pedestals available for the Spitfire & TR6
engines?

Thanks!

Brad
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Jan 18 17:34:26 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:34:26 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
References: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
Message-ID: <A5E0BDF4291B4DE1A4E7040CC211DC4C@rocky>

In common  usage, the terms are virtually synonymous and interchangeable.

More technically, a Grand Prix car is a car driven in a Grand Prix. Usually, 
but not always, that is a Formula 1 car, which defines a car built to that 
specific formula. During at least one season in the '50s, the Grand Prix 
cars driven in competition for the World Championship were Formula 2 cars. 
And one might note that from 1950 to 1960 the "Indianapolis Formula" was 
also included in the points standings for the World Championship (but only 
the Indy 500 race).

So -- A Grand Prix car is any car driven in a Grand Prix.
-- A Formula 1 car is any car built to that specification.
Usually the cars driven in an FIA World Championship Grand Prix (as opposed 
to other races given the name "grand prix") are Formula 1. But not 
necessarily always. Both terms reach back to the earliest days of racing. 
And while F1 cars were raced in grands prix (and other races) of the '40s, 
'30s and earlier, other early GP races used sports cars. F1 and GP were more 
formally married when the FIA World Championship was begun in 1950.

Hell, my Spitfire is a Grand Prix Car. Because I've driven it in the Green 
Country Grand Prix at Hallett.  :-)

--Rocky Entriken


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Gray" <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: "Friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:42 PM
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1


> Question;
>
> At what point did we start
> using F1 to describe the cars
> in lieu of Grand Prix.
>
> Pre - wing cars would include
> the Lotus 49 but exclude the
> 49B.
>
> Or would it be pre-carbon
> fiber & driver aid cars.
>
> jim g
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From gsfuqua1 at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 01:46:13 2010
From: gsfuqua1 at aol.com (gsfuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:46:13 EST
Subject: [Fot] Wing or Side Fender Vents
Message-ID: <45bd6.6f546e39.3886cb55@aol.com>

I am looking for a set of the chrome grill vents that many of the Rally TR  
4's used.  As I recall they were slightly squarish in size and had a large  
checker board grill affect.  The idea being to let some of the engine bay  
heat be carried out through the side wings or fenders.  The fit flush with  
the side of the fender or wing and extend inward into the engine bay.
 
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
Cheers, Gary

From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Tue Jan 19 05:03:18 2010
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Russ Moore)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:03:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] transport east to west coast
Message-ID: <001f01ca98ff$63a153c0$2ae3fb40$@rr.com>

I am looking for a reasonable cost option to transport  a Spitfire from
central upstate NY  (Ithaca area)to California. The car runs and drives and
would be better with enclosed transport if possible. Any leads would be
appreciated. 

 

Russ Moore

From deanesr at uncw.edu  Tue Jan 19 06:28:20 2010
From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:28:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Wing or Side Fender Vents
In-Reply-To: <45bd6.6f546e39.3886cb55@aol.com>
References: <45bd6.6f546e39.3886cb55@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E094517AD326D22@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu>

The side vents can be bought from www.revingtotr.com and the part numbers
areRTR7019 for the wing ducts and RTR7060 for the grille first numbers price
is 173.25 and the second is 58.91 that is in there money, to us it is about
300.00 plus. Contact there is Bill White.


Hope that helps,
Rob Deanes
TR-4 Racer


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of gsfuqua1 at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 3:46 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net;
tony at tonydrews.com; N197TR4 at cs.com
Subject: [Fot] Wing or Side Fender Vents

I am looking for a set of the chrome grill vents that many of the Rally TR
4's used.  As I recall they were slightly squarish in size and had a large
checker board grill affect.  The idea being to let some of the engine bay
heat be carried out through the side wings or fenders.  The fit flush with
the side of the fender or wing and extend inward into the engine bay.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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From rkrantz77 at comcast.net  Tue Jan 19 08:01:14 2010
From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:01:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & TR6 rocker pedestals
In-Reply-To: <f99bbf591001181058m2913c51ck32ae0d18d5b7da54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1902518761.13678951263913274512.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

The pedestals for roller rockers will work with stock rocker arm - just need
more spacers to locate the arm over the valve tips.B  I do make billet
aluminumB pedestals.B  I custom make them to compensate for milled heads (high
compression) to get proper alignment.B  I also make a thick walled hardened
rocker shaft.B  If there is an interest I will take orders and make a run.B 

Ron Krantz

ReK Racing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Kahler" <brad.kahler at 141.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:58:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & TR6 rocker pedestals

Amici,

Over the years probably one of the biggest problems we've had with
engines we build for Susan's Spitfire is the outer rocker pedestals
breaking due to the forces involved with the high lift cams.

Currently I'm not aware of any sources for aftermarket pedals for use
with stock rocker arms. B So the question is other than roller rockers
are there any aftermarket pedestals available for the Spitfire & TR6
engines?

Thanks!

Brad
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From zoboherald at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 08:33:16 2010
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:33:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Wing or Side Fender Vents
In-Reply-To: <1794323504.13478331263910602715.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8CC6733DA6FF3A3-36C0-4D5F@webmail-m063.sysops.aol.com>

 Correct, Phil. The grilles were cut down pieces from the Herald 948/1200, and
it is Neil Revington that supplies kits.

ISTR hearing somewhere that these vents ultimately proved more cosmetic than
useful?



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
Database: http://triumph-herald.us




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From: pethier at comcast.net


As I recall the works rally cars used Herald grill mesh. The whole assembly
can
be bought from one of the UK suppliers. Triumphtune?  Rimmer?  Revington?
Sorry
but it's still a little early for me.

From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jan 19 08:58:52 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:58:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Wing or Side Fender Vents
In-Reply-To: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E094517AD326D22@uncwexmb1.dcs.u
	ncw.edu>
References: <45bd6.6f546e39.3886cb55@aol.com>
	<1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E094517AD326D22@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu>
Message-ID: <20100119155923.25BD618764B@autox.team.net>

I think the link is really www.revingtontr.com .  To make them 
yourself if quite a challenge.  The grille is a Triumph Herald grill 
that's cut down, as I recall.

- Tony

At 07:28 AM 1/19/2010, Deanes, Robert wrote:
>The side vents can be bought from www.revingtotr.com and the part numbers
>areRTR7019 for the wing ducts and RTR7060 for the grille first numbers price
>is 173.25 and the second is 58.91 that is in there money, to us it is about
>300.00 plus. Contact there is Bill White.
>
>
>Hope that helps,
>Rob Deanes
>TR-4 Racer
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
>Of gsfuqua1 at aol.com
>Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 3:46 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net;
>tony at tonydrews.com; N197TR4 at cs.com
>Subject: [Fot] Wing or Side Fender Vents
>
>I am looking for a set of the chrome grill vents that many of the Rally TR
>4's used.  As I recall they were slightly squarish in size and had a large
>checker board grill affect.  The idea being to let some of the engine bay
>heat be carried out through the side wings or fenders.  The fit flush with
>the side of the fender or wing and extend inward into the engine bay.
>
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Cheers, Gary
>Suggested annual donation $12.96

From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 09:14:35 2010
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:14:35 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Limited slip group purchase
Message-ID: <4B55DA6B.4090803@gmail.com>

Here is the latest from Ken.  I'm guessing we are looking at US$1400 per 
unit.  If you want to get in on the group buy please contact Ken at 
British Frame & engine & provide him with a check for $700 plus the 
requested info about your car.

Teriann

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	lsd units
Date: 	Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:59:33 -0800
From: 	BFEKen at copper.net <bfeken at copper.net>
Reply-To: 	BFEKen at copper.net <bfeken at copper.net>
To: 	TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>



*Teriann, Looks like the limited slip diff adventure is working out. First*
*all orders will have to be in my possession by 2-15-10. With $700 down*
*payment. On the 15 I will send to racetorations by bank transfer, the 50%*
*I have collected & when the shipment is ready, I will notify every one*
*of the amount remaining, which they will send to me. As this is an*
*International transaction for Historic cars there will be no duty or VAT*
*or so I am told.*
*Special info. 1/ the TR6 uses the Trans-X without the center thrust button*
*                      2/Spitfire & gt-6 units are not made at this 
time. But the*
*Brits use a unit called GRABBER which looks just like the Tran-X. It 
appeared about the time the patent ran out on the Salisbury & it looks*
*just like it*
** 
*Deposits should be mailed to British Frame & engine 4831 Ryland aver*
*temple City CA 91780 USA*
*I understand from Racetorations that they also handle the Grabber. It is*
*less money.*
*When you send your deposit I will need your Name, address type of TR*
*& the year. Plus your phone number.*
** 
*Ken*

From bswope959 at msn.com  Tue Jan 19 10:08:06 2010
From: bswope959 at msn.com (Bill Swope)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:08:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Membership/e-mail
Message-ID: <SNT122-DS16958627769DEFD40FE916EC650@phx.gbl>

I would like to suspend myself from receiving FOT e-mail for an undefined
time, probably 90 days due to some surgery.  Can you help me?

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(505) 345-6235; fax (505) 345-1180

From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Tue Jan 19 10:18:40 2010
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:18:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Membership/e-mail
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References: <SNT122-DS16958627769DEFD40FE916EC650@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004601ca992b$724c58d0$56e50a70$@net>

Good LUCK on your surgery Bill

Craig


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Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:08 PM
To: fot
Subject: [Fot] Membership/e-mail

I would like to suspend myself from receiving FOT e-mail for an undefined
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jan 19 10:32:54 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:32:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Uprated Oil Pump, TR-3/4
Message-ID: <20100119173425.9116918765C@autox.team.net>

I was talking with a group of my Triumph racing buddies, and we were 
discussing a new oil pump design for the TRactor motor (TR-3 / TR-4) 
that came out of the Chicago area Triumph club.  I realized that I 
may not have properly promoted this product.  Steve Yott (aka 
"Drippy") has developed an oil pump design based on the stock pump, 
but with some important modifications.  The rotor and shaft are NOT 
two separate parts, but are one piece - eliminating one of the 
failure modes of these pumps.  Also, the end cap has been machined to 
accept a new shaft sticking out of the bottom of the rotor - so the 
rotor is supported on BOTH ends, rather than the stock single end 
support.  The end plate is pinned to the main housing so that the 
location of this bore is consistent upon disassembly and 
reassembly.  The rotor has oil passages in key places ensuring that 
all of the moving parts ride in an oil bath so there is no metal on 
metal contact.

Steve Yott is at tr4 at wi.rr.com .  I believe the price for this was 
$225 with a core exchange.

There are two primary failure modes of the stock oil pump.  One mode 
is the tangs breaking off of either the oil pump shaft or the 
distributor drive, and the other mode is the rotor spinning on the 
shaft.  They believe that the tang breakage is caused by "wobble" in 
the rotor due to it only being supported at one end.  This causes 
binding and additional force on the tangs.  The new pump eliminates 
this wobble with the shaft sticking out the bottom of the rotor.  The 
second mode - the rotor spinning on the shaft - is eliminated by the 
rotor and shaft being made out of a single piece of steel.

This is one of those parts that "just seems right".  I ran one in my 
motor all last season and had excellent oil pressure the whole year.

For some reason the newsletter detailing this part doesn't seem to 
come up from the links on their website, so I've taken the liberty of 
scanning an old beat up copy of that article to my website here: 
http://www.tonydrews.com/OilPump0001.pdf .

- Tony Drews

From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jan 19 10:36:46 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:36:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Membership/e-mail
In-Reply-To: <SNT122-DS16958627769DEFD40FE916EC650@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT122-DS16958627769DEFD40FE916EC650@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B55EDAE.70008@bradakis.com>

Bill Swope wrote:
> I would like to suspend myself from receiving FOT e-mail for an undefined
> time, probably 90 days due to some surgery.  Can you help me?
>
>   

1.  Click on the link at the bottom of this message, the 
mailman/listinfo one.

2.  In the FOT subscriber section, enter your email address and list 
password.

3.  Realize that you should have kept a copy of the monthly reminder with
     your list password.

4.  Delete your address from the first box and enter it into the box labeled
    'Unsubscribe or Edit options" and click on the button.

5.  Click on the password reminder button.

6.  When the reminder message arrives, click on the link, pasting in
     your newly arrived password.

7.  Go down to the 'Mail Delivery' section of the subscription options.

8.  Click on the 'disabled' button.

9.  Go down to the bottom of the page and click on 'Submit my changes'

10.  Getting mail flowing again is the same procedure, except obviously
       you would click on the 'enable' button.


On a side note, this is a handy procedure if you use more than one email 
address.
You can subscribe, say, both your home address and your work address, 
and set
only one of them to enable.  Having the other address subscribed will 
keep messages
you send from that address from getting bounced as non-member spam, but yoo
won't get multiple copies of each list message.


mjb.

From jsnook at wcnet.org  Tue Jan 19 10:47:15 2010
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:47:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Dennis DeLap's TR4
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7180.1263920901.4175.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.7180.1263920901.4175.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <006301ca992f$7029f130$507dd390$@org>

Nice photo of Dennis DeLap's TR4 at speed during the VSCDA Continental Grand
Prix as reported in the January issue of Victory Lane magazine.  

Dennis, I could not see in the photo, but are you wearing a Hans Device
yet?!

Vroom, vroom,

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Jan 19 10:52:53 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:52:53 EST
Subject: [Fot] Fot] Uprated Oil Pump, TR-3/4
Message-ID: <9cf5.d27d9f8.38874b75@cs.com>

FOT

I looked at it and would have disassembled for closer look if I had been 
more ambitious.

This truly seems like a RACING PUMP. The engineering is there, the 
manufacturing process is there, the price is there.

It would be a mistake for the FOT not to know about this pump so they can 
determine the benefit for themselves. 

We know there is no infant failure with Tony running it for one 
season.....at the front of the pack.  We know that aftermarket parts are junk.  Easy 
choices if you need a new pump and/or doing serious racing.

My .02

Joe A




> I was talking with a group of my Triumph racing buddies, and we were 
> discussing a new oil pump design for the TRactor motor (TR-3 / TR-4) 
> that came out of the Chicago area Triumph club.  I realized that I 
> may not have properly promoted this product.  Steve Yott (aka 
> "Drippy") has developed an oil pump design based on the stock pump, 
> but with some important modifications.  The rotor and shaft are NOT 
> two separate parts, but are one piece - eliminating one of the 
> failure modes of these pumps.  Also, the end cap has been machined to 
> accept a new shaft sticking out of the bottom of the rotor - so the 
> rotor is supported on BOTH ends, rather than the stock single end 
> support.  The end plate is pinned to the main housing so that the 
> location of this bore is consistent upon disassembly and 
> reassembly.  The rotor has oil passages in key places ensuring that 
> all of the moving parts ride in an oil bath so there is no metal on 
> metal contact.
> 
> Steve Yott is at tr4 at wi.rr.com .  I believe the price for this was 
> $225 with a core exchange.
> 
> There are two primary failure modes of the stock oil pump.  One mode 
> is the tangs breaking off of either the oil pump shaft or the 
> distributor drive, and the other mode is the rotor spinning on the 
> shaft.  They believe that the tang breakage is caused by "wobble" in 
> the rotor due to it only being supported at one end.  This causes 
> binding and additional force on the tangs.  The new pump eliminates 
> this wobble with the shaft sticking out the bottom of the rotor.  The 
> second mode - the rotor spinning on the shaft - is eliminated by the 
> rotor and shaft being made out of a single piece of steel.
> 
> This is one of those parts that "just seems right".  I ran one in my 
> motor all last season and had excellent oil pressure the whole year.
> 
> For some reason the newsletter detailing this part doesn't seem to 
> come up from the links on their website, so I've taken the liberty of 
> scanning an old beat up copy of that article to my website here: 
> http://www.tonydrews.com/OilPump0001.pdf .
> 
> - Tony Drews
> _______________________________________________
> 

</HTML>

From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 19 11:06:49 2010
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:06:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Uprated Oil Pump, TR-3/4
In-Reply-To: <20100119173425.9116918765C@autox.team.net>
References: <20100119173425.9116918765C@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <238201.28495.qm@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Holy smokes, I have seen both failure modes and totally agree with the analysis. I invested in one of Greg Solow's heavily modified units several years back, but this goes several major steps beyond even that. Uncle Jack must be very proud of you guys!

Gary Schneider



________________________________
From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 11:32:54 AM
Subject: [Fot] Uprated Oil Pump, TR-3/4

I was talking with a group of my Triumph racing buddies, and we were discussing a new oil pump design for the TRactor motor (TR-3 / TR-4) that came out of the Chicago area Triumph club.  I realized that I may not have properly promoted this product.  Steve Yott (aka "Drippy") has developed an oil pump design based on the stock pump, but with some important modifications.  The rotor and shaft are NOT two separate parts, but are one piece - eliminating one of the failure modes of these pumps.  Also, the end cap has been machined to accept a new shaft sticking out of the bottom of the rotor - so the rotor is supported on BOTH ends, rather than the stock single end support.  The end plate is pinned to the main housing so that the location of this bore is consistent upon disassembly and reassembly.  The rotor has oil passages in key places ensuring that all of the moving parts ride in an oil bath so there is no metal on metal contact.

Steve Yott is at tr4 at wi.rr.com .  I believe the price for this was $225 with a core exchange.

There are two primary failure modes of the stock oil pump.  One mode is the tangs breaking off of either the oil pump shaft or the distributor drive, and the other mode is the rotor spinning on the shaft.  They believe that the tang breakage is caused by "wobble" in the rotor due to it only being supported at one end.  This causes binding and additional force on the tangs.  The new pump eliminates this wobble with the shaft sticking out the bottom of the rotor.  The second mode - the rotor spinning on the shaft - is eliminated by the rotor and shaft being made out of a single piece of steel.

This is one of those parts that "just seems right".  I ran one in my motor all last season and had excellent oil pressure the whole year.

For some reason the newsletter detailing this part doesn't seem to come up from the links on their website, so I've taken the liberty of scanning an old beat up copy of that article to my website here: http://www.tonydrews.com/OilPump0001.pdf .

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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 19 11:34:38 2010
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:34:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Dennis DeLap's TR4
In-Reply-To: <006301ca992f$7029f130$507dd390$@org>
References: <mailman.7180.1263920901.4175.fot@autox.team.net>
	<006301ca992f$7029f130$507dd390$@org>
Message-ID: <827532.45572.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

That is an odd article - the picture of my car was actually taken at
Mid-Ohio in the fall of 2007.
I think that VictoryLane used all old photos for
that VSCDA report.

Jeff - I now use a Hans device.

D



Nice photo of Dennis
DeLap's TR4 at speed during the VSCDA Continental Grand
Prix as reported in
the January issue of Victory Lane magazine.  

Dennis, I could not see in the
photo, but are you wearing a Hans Device
yet?!

Vroom, vroom,

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From gsfuqua1 at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 12:12:57 2010
From: gsfuqua1 at aol.com (gsfuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:12:57 EST
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Wing or Side Fender Vents
Message-ID: <cb03.42b3eda7.38875e39@aol.com>

Thank you for the information.  I had them on a rally TR 4 quite a few  
years ago.  As for functional Vs cosmetic I suppose it would depend on how  
they are installed.  If you just cut a hole and stick them in then it is  
probably more cosmetic.  However is you build a small scoop that funnels  air out 
I believe it will lower the engine bay temp.  Guess we'll just have  to see 
how it all comes together.
 
Cheers, Gary
 
 
In a message dated 1/19/2010 9:37:10 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
zoboherald at aol.com writes:

Correct,  Phil. The grilles were cut down pieces from the Herald 948/1200, 
and
it is  Neil Revington that supplies kits.

ISTR hearing somewhere that these  vents ultimately proved more cosmetic 
than
useful?



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As I recall the works  rally cars used Herald grill mesh. The whole assembly
can
be bought from  one of the UK suppliers. Triumphtune?  Rimmer?   Revington?
Sorry
but it's still a little early for  me.
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 12:44:02 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:44:02 -0800
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Wing or Side Fender Vents
In-Reply-To: <cb03.42b3eda7.38875e39@aol.com>
References: <cb03.42b3eda7.38875e39@aol.com>
Message-ID: <65f1eaba1001191144p12ebc82dqa88c3efa40c38bf8@mail.gmail.com>

My car had the vents installed sometime in 1964/65 and a couple of years ago
we ran both an unvented TR4 race car plus the Sebring car with the vents
installed. Under hood temperatures are only very marginally lower in the
vented car (it helps much more in a car with little space under the hood
like the Big Healey) but they look cool.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:12 AM, <gsfuqua1 at aol.com> wrote:

> Thank you for the information.  I had them on a rally TR 4 quite a few
> years ago.  As for functional Vs cosmetic I suppose it would depend on how
> they are installed.  If you just cut a hole and stick them in then it is
> probably more cosmetic.  However is you build a small scoop that funnels
>  air out
> I believe it will lower the engine bay temp.  Guess we'll just have  to see
> how it all comes together.
>
> Cheers, Gary
>
>
> In a message dated 1/19/2010 9:37:10 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> zoboherald at aol.com writes:
>
> Correct,  Phil. The grilles were cut down pieces from the Herald 948/1200,
> and
> it is  Neil Revington that supplies kits.
>
> ISTR hearing somewhere that these  vents ultimately proved more cosmetic
> than
> useful?
>
>
>
> --Andy  Mace
>
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not  so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
> Herald engine with  wings.
> -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)
>
> Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage  Triumph
> Register: http://www.vtr.org
>
> Check out the North American  Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph
> Herald
> Database:  http://triumph-herald.us
>
>
>
>
> -----Original  Message-----
> From: pethier at comcast.net
>
>
> As I recall the works  rally cars used Herald grill mesh. The whole
> assembly
> can
> be bought from  one of the UK suppliers. Triumphtune?  Rimmer?   Revington?
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Jan 19 17:23:11 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:23:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Main Bearing Clearance
Message-ID: <000001ca9966$c144dcb0$43ce9610$@com>

At the VSCDA Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival in September the oil pressure
dropped from the normal of 50 to 25.  I went straight into the paddock and
when we dropped the pan we found that the center main bearing was pretty
well gone, no copper left and pits in the third layer.  A lot of large (1/4
inch square, about) pieces of copper debris in the pan.  These were the King
County Tri-metal bearings.  Now that I have the crank out I see that the
rear main is just about as new and the front main is just starting to show
some copper.  The crank has been cracked checked with a "sonic flow" process
and no cracks were found.  It also checks out straight according to the
machine shop.  We run a usual 5500 redline with occasion up to 6000.  It is
a stock crank that has been balanced.  The rods are stock (look to have been
balanced) and we have the K. Gilanders 87mm sleeves and forged Wiseco
pistons.  The C.R. is about 11:1 and a Kastner G3 cam that has been reground
at one time but degrees out to the G3 spec.  Cylinder head is just about
stock except for cleaning out the rust and slag from the ports when we had
it milled and new guides and stock valves put in.  This was only the 5th or
6th weekend on the bearings and reground crank, 0.010 under.  The rod
bearings are not showing very much wear at all.  We have the finned aluminum
oil pan which holds 8-1/2 quarts from empty.  We use Valvoline 20W-50 VR1
racing oil.  The water temps and oil temps are always pretty good, if
anything a little cool.  We have a well ducted aluminum radiator and oil
cooler.

 

I've contacted BPNW, where I got the bearings, and will send them to them
and they will forward them to King.  They have generously replaced the
bearing set without my asking!  A great place.

 

Question - any ideas why a catastrophic failure of just the center main
bearing?

 

2nd Question - Have to grind the crank to 0.020 under on the main journals
now, what clearance is appropriate?

 

3rd Question - What has been the experience with those who have had the
bearings coated?  I've heard some good reports and no bad reports so far.
Any recommended sources?

 

In going back and checking the numbers from the last crank grind I now think
I only had 0.001 to 0.002 clearance, maybe 0.002 to 0.0025 at the most.  The
bearing with the least wear, the rear, had about the same clearance as the
center, from my notes on the measurements.  The front bearing, which is just
starting to show some wear, probably had the most clearance.

 

Last Question, just curious - does anyone know what the "draft angle" is on
the block for the main bearing caps to seat in?  If I just set the bearing
caps down in the block I get about 0.001 to 0.002 clearance to the block,
until I tighten the bolts then there is essentially no measurable clearance.

 

Final note: the machine shop was suggesting I have the block line bored,
when we thought we had a cracked crank.  It would seem that there is no
damage to the block and it is in the same state it was before, very well
stress relieved after about 50 years!

 

Thanks for the help.

 

Tim Murphy

1961 TR4 #317

From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 17:43:20 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:43:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] transport east to west coast
In-Reply-To: <001f01ca98ff$63a153c0$2ae3fb40$@rr.com>
References: <001f01ca98ff$63a153c0$2ae3fb40$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <234309.2438.qm@web46102.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Russ - use DeMoise Trking  http://www.demoise.com/ I have shipped my Corviars
across country twice and my TR4 from Ohio to Vancouver Washington.  These guys
are great.  Their cost was great.  If you look at their photo gallery you will
see my TR4.  I think it cost me $1700 in September 08.  

Good luck.

Mike
________________________________
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To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, January 19,
2010 4:03:18 AM
Subject: [Fot] transport east to west coast

I am looking for
a reasonable cost option to transport  a Spitfire from
central upstate NY 
(Ithaca area)to California. The car runs and drives and
would be better with
enclosed transport if possible. Any leads would be
appreciated. 



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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Tue Jan 19 18:58:45 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 01:58:45 GMT
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Main Bearing Clearance
Message-ID: <20100119.205845.3602.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>

Tim, I been having my blocks align honed and then we double check all the
clearances.  Any block that I have used has needed some align honing.  I run
0.0025 inch clearance.  Were each of the bearing halves measured in multiple
places?  I usually take 9 measurements on each with a caliper with ball tips.
Measure 3 spots across near each end and 3 spots across the center.  You could
have had a bearing half that was thicker in some spots.  Also, 0.002 is way
too close for these engines, never mind 0.001.

I would also suggest an oil accumulator, since even with the big pan you could
have some oil starvation.  I would also suggest a synthetic race oil, after
you break it in with a mineral based oil.
I have not tried the coatings, but would also be interested in other's
experience.
That's my 2 cents.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Main Bearing Clearance
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:23:11 -0600


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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jan 19 21:11:51 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:11:51 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Uprated Oil Pump, TR-3/4
In-Reply-To: <20100119173425.9116918765C@autox.team.net>
References: <20100119173425.9116918765C@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20100120041219.77CC2187872@autox.team.net>

One thing I forgot to mention - one of the mods that Jack made to the 
stock style shaft is to radius the slot so that there are no sharp 
corners or "stress risers" to help reduce tang breakage.  I discussed 
this with Steve and he pointed out that his slot is also designed 
with a radius at the bottom of the slot in the oil pump shaft.  It's 
a pretty small radius so that's why I missed it, but it's there and 
should be all that's needed.

- Tony

At 11:32 AM 1/19/2010, Tony Drews wrote:
>I was talking with a group of my Triumph racing buddies, and we were 
>discussing a new oil pump design for the TRactor motor (TR-3 / TR-4) 
>that came out of the Chicago area Triumph club.  I realized that I 
>may not have properly promoted this product.  Steve Yott (aka 
>"Drippy") has developed an oil pump design based on the stock pump, 
>but with some important modifications.  The rotor and shaft are NOT 
>two separate parts, but are one piece - eliminating one of the 
>failure modes of these pumps.  Also, the end cap has been machined 
>to accept a new shaft sticking out of the bottom of the rotor - so 
>the rotor is supported on BOTH ends, rather than the stock single 
>end support.  The end plate is pinned to the main housing so that 
>the location of this bore is consistent upon disassembly and 
>reassembly.  The rotor has oil passages in key places ensuring that 
>all of the moving parts ride in an oil bath so there is no metal on 
>metal contact.
>
>Steve Yott is at tr4 at wi.rr.com .  I believe the price for this was 
>$225 with a core exchange.
>
>There are two primary failure modes of the stock oil pump.  One mode 
>is the tangs breaking off of either the oil pump shaft or the 
>distributor drive, and the other mode is the rotor spinning on the 
>shaft.  They believe that the tang breakage is caused by "wobble" in 
>the rotor due to it only being supported at one end.  This causes 
>binding and additional force on the tangs.  The new pump eliminates 
>this wobble with the shaft sticking out the bottom of the 
>rotor.  The second mode - the rotor spinning on the shaft - is 
>eliminated by the rotor and shaft being made out of a single piece of steel.
>
>This is one of those parts that "just seems right".  I ran one in my 
>motor all last season and had excellent oil pressure the whole year.
>
>For some reason the newsletter detailing this part doesn't seem to 
>come up from the links on their website, so I've taken the liberty 
>of scanning an old beat up copy of that article to my website here: 
>http://www.tonydrews.com/OilPump0001.pdf .
>
>- Tony Drews

From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jan 19 21:59:57 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:59:57 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Bearing clearances
Message-ID: <20100120050017.4B33C187682@autox.team.net>

Here's the message I sent without the baggage of the attached thread 
message(s) so it will be small enough to make it out without 
moderator approval:

I run the coating from Calico Coatings www.calicocoatings.com that 
Jack recommended ages ago.  I use this on the mains and the rod 
bearings.  I buy the King tri-metal bearings that BPNW sells and send 
them off to be coated prior to assembly.  The local speed shop uses 
it on a lot of the V-8's they build.  The last couple of rebuilds the 
bearings looked great - don't have it apart from last year 
yet.  Before the coating I would always have a certain amount of bearing wear.

I run the Valvoline VR1 synthetic after breakin (20w50).

- Tony

From billb at bnj.com  Tue Jan 19 22:11:08 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:11:08 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Uprated Oil Pump, TR-3/4
In-Reply-To: <20100120041219.77CC2187872@autox.team.net>
References: <20100119173425.9116918765C@autox.team.net>
	<20100120041219.77CC2187872@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <18486474-F842-44BE-BEE9-7D526FEB5EE3@bnj.com>

Nice. Obviously a better design. I've broken enough of these. I'm getting at
least one.


On Jan 19, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Tony Drews wrote:

> One thing I forgot to mention - one of the mods that Jack made to the stock
style shaft is to radius the slot so that there are no sharp corners or
"stress risers" to help reduce tang breakage.  I discussed this with Steve and
he pointed out that his slot is also designed with a radius at the bottom of
the slot in the oil pump shaft.  It's a pretty small radius so that's why I
missed it, but it's there and should be all that's needed.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 11:32 AM 1/19/2010, Tony Drews wrote:
>> I was talking with a group of my Triumph racing buddies, and we were
discussing a new oil pump design for the TRactor motor (TR-3 / TR-4) that came
out of the Chicago area Triumph club.  I realized that I may not have properly
promoted this product.  Steve Yott (aka "Drippy") has developed an oil pump
design based on the stock pump, but with some important modifications.  The
rotor and shaft are NOT two separate parts, but are one piece - eliminating
one of the failure modes of these pumps.  Also, the end cap has been machined
to accept a new shaft sticking out of the bottom of the rotor - so the rotor
is supported on BOTH ends, rather than the stock single end support.  The end
plate is pinned to the main housing so that the location of this bore is
consistent upon disassembly and reassembly.  The rotor has oil passages in key
places ensuring that all of the moving parts ride in an oil bath so there is
no metal on metal contact.
>>
>> Steve Yott is at tr4 at wi.rr.com .  I believe the price for this was $225
with a core exchange.
>>
>> There are two primary failure modes of the stock oil pump.  One mode is the
tangs breaking off of either the oil pump shaft or the distributor drive, and
the other mode is the rotor spinning on the shaft.  They believe that the tang
breakage is caused by "wobble" in the rotor due to it only being supported at
one end.  This causes binding and additional force on the tangs.  The new pump
eliminates this wobble with the shaft sticking out the bottom of the rotor.
The second mode - the rotor spinning on the shaft - is eliminated by the rotor
and shaft being made out of a single piece of steel.
>>
>> This is one of those parts that "just seems right".  I ran one in my motor
all last season and had excellent oil pressure the whole year.
>>
>> For some reason the newsletter detailing this part doesn't seem to come up
from the links on their website, so I've taken the liberty of scanning an old
beat up copy of that article to my website here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/OilPump0001.pdf .
>>
>> - Tony Drews
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From herald948 at aol.com  Wed Jan 20 09:28:49 2010
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:28:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] rosebud racer by doug ross
In-Reply-To: <78c8.6ba5817.38835b6e@aol.com>
References: <78c8.6ba5817.38835b6e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC6804C7C19A89-42B4-16F0F@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com>

 Alex, with this reply I am copying the Friends of Triumph e-mail list. Sadly,
I knew Doug only through his involvement with the Vintage Triumph Register
organization, and I really only know of the car what I've seen in pictures
such as this one on the FoT Racing web site:

<http://fot-racing.com/tr3/caption/TR3Ross.htm>

Hopefully there are folks within FoT who might know more about Doug's car.



--Andy Mace

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Herald engine with wings.
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  From: alexwatch at aol.com
To: herald1200 at aol.com
Sent: 1/16/2010 1:37:00   A.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: rosebud racer by doug ross




Andy,



I would like to take a moment to introduce myself to you.  My name   is Alex
Hofberg.  I am a jeweler in Portland, Oregon and the current   owner of a
vintage TR3 that I think you are familiar with.  Though I   bought this car
from a friend of mine some 15 months ago, I only recently   started to look
deeper into the history of the car I own and while doing some   google
searching on Doug's name and a TR3 tag, I found a short memorial note   that
you posted after his passing.





Though I own a TR6 and Rosebud as well as a modern Triumph Bonneville, I
sort of own this car by accident, having no (current) intention of racing it
though I have rallied it a little. The friend I bought it from seems   to have
purchased Rosebud from one of Doug's family members as a car for his   wife to
race.   He and his wife both graduated to much faster, much more   powerful
vintage racers and have an interesting collection that found the TR3   loved
but no longer needed for racing.




The reason I am dropping you this note is that when I purchased the car   the
prior owner had lost or never gotten much of the build history that as far
as I'm concerned needs to accompany the car given a restoration as thorough
and beautiful as Doug achieved.  Other than the roll bar being slightly
modified and painted black and a bolt on rack and pinion conversion being done
the car is exactly as I got it and as far as I know otherwise unchanged
since Doug finished it.




If you can offer any advise as to who can fill in some of the blanks or I
you can yourself, I would be very grateful.  Technical detail is good but   be
aware I am an owner rather than a mechanic, trying to preserve this car
rather than improve it or use it hard.




For my part, my specialty is the repair and sales of really expensive
mechanical watches and vintage and antique watches.  I write a column for
Sports Car Market Magazine on the subject of collecting watches and hope to
able to continue to collect interesting cars as a side line.




I hope you can assist,




Thank you,




Alex Hofberg - Watchworks Inc. Portland Or.    503.970.6993

From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Wed Jan 20 10:35:09 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:35:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Main Bearing Clearance
In-Reply-To: <000001ca9966$c144dcb0$43ce9610$@com>
References: <000001ca9966$c144dcb0$43ce9610$@com>
Message-ID: <4B573ECD.5040809@blacksburg.net>

On 1/19/2010 7:23 PM, Tim Murphy wrote:
> [...deletia...]
>
> 3rd Question - What has been the experience with those who have had the
> bearings coated?  I've heard some good reports and no bad reports so far.
> Any recommended sources?
>    
Tim, I sent my stock crank to Shaftech, in Fostoria OH and all bearings 
to Callies Performance, also in Fostoria.  Shaftech nitrided the crank 
(which now rings like a forged crank) and measured the journal 
diameters.  I then contacted Callies and told them what clearances I 
wanted.  They coated the shells with their magic goop and I had them 
back in less than a week.  Great service from both companies.  If you 
have Shaftech work on the crank, be sure to clean the galleries well, 
they weren't as clean as I would have liked.

You may recall that Tony had his shells treated (by Calico?) a few years 
ago and reported no wear after one season.

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go

From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jan 21 10:37:39 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:37:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] rosebud racer by doug ross
In-Reply-To: <8CC6804C7C19A89-42B4-16F0F@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com>
References: <78c8.6ba5817.38835b6e@aol.com>
	<8CC6804C7C19A89-42B4-16F0F@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <E184D3B23BCE4757A587594D8C6D6445@joepentiumnew>

I did the number graphic decals for this car.  That's all I know about it. 

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Andrew Mace
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:29 AM
To: alexwatch at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] rosebud racer by doug ross

 Alex, with this reply I am copying the Friends of Triumph e-mail list.
Sadly,
I knew Doug only through his involvement with the Vintage Triumph Register
organization, and I really only know of the car what I've seen in pictures
such as this one on the FoT Racing web site:

<http://fot-racing.com/tr3/caption/TR3Ross.htm>

Hopefully there are folks within FoT who might know more about Doug's car.



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
Database: http://triumph-herald.us






  From: alexwatch at aol.com
To: herald1200 at aol.com
Sent: 1/16/2010 1:37:00   A.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: rosebud racer by doug ross




Andy,



I would like to take a moment to introduce myself to you.  My name   is Alex
Hofberg.  I am a jeweler in Portland, Oregon and the current   owner of a
vintage TR3 that I think you are familiar with.  Though I   bought this car
from a friend of mine some 15 months ago, I only recently   started to look
deeper into the history of the car I own and while doing some   google
searching on Doug's name and a TR3 tag, I found a short memorial note   that
you posted after his passing.





Though I own a TR6 and Rosebud as well as a modern Triumph Bonneville, I
sort of own this car by accident, having no (current) intention of racing it
though I have rallied it a little. The friend I bought it from seems   to
have
purchased Rosebud from one of Doug's family members as a car for his   wife
to
race.   He and his wife both graduated to much faster, much more   powerful
vintage racers and have an interesting collection that found the TR3   loved
but no longer needed for racing.




The reason I am dropping you this note is that when I purchased the car
the
prior owner had lost or never gotten much of the build history that as far
as I'm concerned needs to accompany the car given a restoration as thorough
and beautiful as Doug achieved.  Other than the roll bar being slightly
modified and painted black and a bolt on rack and pinion conversion being
done
the car is exactly as I got it and as far as I know otherwise unchanged
since Doug finished it.




If you can offer any advise as to who can fill in some of the blanks or I
you can yourself, I would be very grateful.  Technical detail is good but
be
aware I am an owner rather than a mechanic, trying to preserve this car
rather than improve it or use it hard.




For my part, my specialty is the repair and sales of really expensive
mechanical watches and vintage and antique watches.  I write a column for
Sports Car Market Magazine on the subject of collecting watches and hope to
able to continue to collect interesting cars as a side line.




I hope you can assist,




Thank you,




Alex Hofberg - Watchworks Inc. Portland Or.    503.970.6993
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Wed Jan 20 10:39:09 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:39:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] source for TR4 rear axle U bolts?
Message-ID: <4B573FBD.8040208@blacksburg.net>

I'm looking for a source for 3/8" grade 8 U bolts (or bolt stock) for 
the TR4 solid axle.  I've checked the usual suspects locally but no one 
carries bolt stock that small.  Even utility trailer shops don't carry 
stock smaller than 1/2".  Sheesh!

tia

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go

From billbab at me.com  Wed Jan 20 10:47:22 2010
From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:47:22 -1000
Subject: [Fot] rosebud racer by doug ross
In-Reply-To: <1A2EF6AC-C9F7-41C3-BD62-6677603A94B0@bnj.com>
References: <78c8.6ba5817.38835b6e@aol.com>
	<8CC6804C7C19A89-42B4-16F0F@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com>
	<1A2EF6AC-C9F7-41C3-BD62-6677603A94B0@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <5EF82001-DF93-4471-8AE2-2646415DF8D2@me.com>

Hey Alex, funny to see you here, I'm an FOT member since Peyote is a TR3-based special, as is my AMBRO and the cheater TR3 I first started vintage racing with. Hope these guys can help you out. I know the car more through the Mincheff's ownership than Doug Ross. To clarify for the members, Jacquelyn Mincheff (who I think was or is an FOT member) raced the Rosebud for awhile. She's moved on to a Lotus and a Lola T70 that she drives very well. 

I've known Alex for quite a few years, his sister was one of my company's most stellar salespeople, and I've bought a watch or two and some baubles for Diane at Alex's beautiful Watch store. Alex, we did talk about you having bought Jacqui's car but I somehow forgot it has a long history and is well known to this group. I'm in Maui, working hard at my new career as a surf bum, but when I get back to Oregon in the spring I'm going to drag you to a vintage race or two. I bet the bug bites. 

Bill Babcock
On Jan 20, 2010, at 6:28 AM, Andrew Mace wrote:

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jan 20 11:07:42 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:07:42 +0100
Subject: [Fot] source for TR4 rear axle U bolts?
In-Reply-To: <4B573FBD.8040208@blacksburg.net>
References: <4B573FBD.8040208@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <000b01ca99fb$7b1a90a0$714fb1e0$@com>

I use 7/16 u-bolts of Ford Escord.
They are much stronger and longer.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von J.C. Hassall
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Januar 2010 18:39
An: fot
Betreff: [Fot] source for TR4 rear axle U bolts?

I'm looking for a source for 3/8" grade 8 U bolts (or bolt stock) for
the TR4 solid axle.  I've checked the usual suspects locally but no one
carries bolt stock that small.  Even utility trailer shops don't carry
stock smaller than 1/2".  Sheesh!

tia

jim

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'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Jan 20 12:43:27 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:43:27 EST
Subject: [Fot] source for TR4 rear axle U bolts?
Message-ID: <8b9e.5b2f768c.3888b6df@cs.com>

In a message dated 1/20/2010 12:01:31 PM Central Standard Time, 
jhassall at blacksburg.net writes:


> I'm looking for a source for 3/8" grade 8 U bolts (or bolt stock) for 
> the TR4 solid axle.  I've checked the usual suspects locally but no one 
> carries bolt stock that small.  Even utility trailer shops don't carry 
> stock smaller than 1/2".  Sheesh!
> 
> tia
> 
> jim
> 

I am not sure grade 8 is required.  Do you need them longer for lowering 
blocks?  You can go to 1/2" and have them custome made or they may have them 
on the shelf.  You drill the mounting plates O.S., of course.  It's a little 
tight, but I have done to two or three TRs when I was unable to find the 
3/8th".</HTML>

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Jan 20 12:38:51 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:38:51 EST
Subject: [Fot] rosebud racer by doug ross
Message-ID: <895f.6e0ce302.3888b5cb@cs.com>

Rose Bud is a very special TR3. Doug Ross was a very special person, too.  
I have a picture of Doug & and Rose Bud in my office. It is a panoramic view 
of the FOT at Mid-Ohio.

He joined us at mid-Ohio, not to race, but to be with the Triumph Folks. I 
invited him to stage Rose Bud with us for the panoramic picture.

He was exceptionally grateful. Later, I got a letter from him explaining 
why it was so important for him to be a part of the weekend and the picture. I 
spoke to him on the phone a few days before he died. He remained upbeat to 
the end, I believe.

Joe A


> Alex, with this reply I am copying the Friends of Triumph e-mail list. 
> Sadly,
> I knew Doug only through his involvement with the Vintage Triumph Register
> organization, and I really only know of the car what I've seen in pictures
> such as this one on the FoT Racing web site:
> 
> <http://fot-racing.com/tr3/caption/TR3Ross.htm>
> 
> Hopefully there are folks within FoT who might know more about Doug's car.
> 
> 
> 
> --Andy Mace
> 

</HTML>

From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jan 20 13:13:46 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:13:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] rosebud racer by doug ross
In-Reply-To: <895f.6e0ce302.3888b5cb@cs.com>
Message-ID: <20100120151346.839ZB.69985.imail@fed1rmwml44>

I think I have some good photos of Doug and the TR-3 from that 2002 Mid-Ohio run , I was the guest of honor there and did a lap in his car with him.
--
Never be beaten by equipment

From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Jan 20 14:16:09 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:16:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] MOLDEX CRANK FOR TR4
In-Reply-To: <4B573ECD.5040809@blacksburg.net>
References: <000001ca9966$c144dcb0$43ce9610$@com>
	<4B573ECD.5040809@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0802AAB918@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Does anyone need a brand new Moldex crank, TR4 version ground for scroll kit?
They have one ready to go.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

From jaboruch at netzero.net  Wed Jan 20 15:34:21 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:34:21 GMT
Subject: [Fot] source for TR4 rear axle U bolts?
Message-ID: <20100120.173421.834.3@webmail20.dca.untd.com>

Try a local spring shop.  When I needed u-bolts some years ago the spring shop
bent them for me to match the axle tube diameter.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] source for TR4 rear axle U bolts?
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:39:09 -0500

I'm looking for a source for 3/8" grade 8 U bolts (or bolt stock) for
the TR4 solid axle.  I've checked the usual suspects locally but no one
carries bolt stock that small.  Even utility trailer shops don't carry
stock smaller than 1/2".  Sheesh!

tia

jim

--
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Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go
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From grmtim at aol.com  Thu Jan 21 07:38:54 2010
From: grmtim at aol.com (grmtim at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:38:54 EST
Subject: [Fot] Stupid road trip
Message-ID: <4854.71446163.3889c0fe@aol.com>

As I mentioned in a previous post, I have been looking for a big stupid 
station wagon to cart magazines around with and even tow my Trimuph to local 
events.

Unfortunately, I have found said wagon, a 1959 Edsel Villager and it is in 
Santa Ana, CA. One of the guys that works for me is in LA right now and 
instead of flying back, he is driving it to Scottsdale today and picking me up. 
I have been at the auctions, hustling magazines. From there we are driving 
the Edsel to Florida.

Tomorrow we head east following I-10. I think we will look for some back 
roads that run nearby. So, do any of you live along I-10 between Phoenix, AZ 
and Jville, FL? Are any of you crazy enough to help us, or even let us into 
your home's should we call you with a problem? Hey, what could possibly go 
wrong with a 50 year old car that we have never drivin before? And perhaps 
most importantly, what cool junkyards are between here and home that might have 
that 1500 Spitfire hood that I have been looking for or the trim pieces I 
still need for Margie's 63 Corvair, or even some Edsels?

Thanks and wish me luck!

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723

From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu Jan 21 13:38:30 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:38:30 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Stupid road trip
References: <4854.71446163.3889c0fe@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C8D9D5F8AEDF4BA8932EF356133AEA07@rocky>

Now let me get this right -- you're buying a 50-year-old car that was a flop 
in the first place and then you want to take it on back roads???

Man! Stick to I-10 so at least some trooper might happen along when you need 
that tow out in the West Texas desert or that barren bayou in Mississippi.

Let us know how the trip went. If you get back alive. ;-)

--Rocket J. Squirrel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <grmtim at aol.com>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:38 AM
Subject: [Fot] Stupid road trip


> As I mentioned in a previous post, I have been looking for a big stupid
> station wagon to cart magazines around with and even tow my Trimuph to 
> local
> events.
>
> Unfortunately, I have found said wagon, a 1959 Edsel Villager and it is in
> Santa Ana, CA. One of the guys that works for me is in LA right now and
> instead of flying back, he is driving it to Scottsdale today and picking 
> me up.
> I have been at the auctions, hustling magazines. From there we are driving
> the Edsel to Florida.
>
> Tomorrow we head east following I-10. I think we will look for some back
> roads that run nearby. So, do any of you live along I-10 between Phoenix, 
> AZ
> and Jville, FL? Are any of you crazy enough to help us, or even let us 
> into
> your home's should we call you with a problem? Hey, what could possibly go
> wrong with a 50 year old car that we have never drivin before? And perhaps
> most importantly, what cool junkyards are between here and home that might 
> have
> that 1500 Spitfire hood that I have been looking for or the trim pieces I
> still need for Margie's 63 Corvair, or even some Edsels?
>
> Thanks and wish me luck!
>
> Tim Suddard
> Publisher; Classic Motorsports
> and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
> www.classicmotorsports.net
> www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
> Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Jan 21 14:05:04 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:05:04 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Bearing clearances
In-Reply-To: <20100120050017.4B33C187682@autox.team.net>
References: <20100120050017.4B33C187682@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000001ca9add$6ee85410$4cb8fc30$@com>

I run large main bearing clearance and had trouble with large rod bearing
clearance.

So for this season I will continue running large main bearing clearance
(because of crank bending) and tight rod clearance because of the piston
guided rods.

Cheers
Chris

From pcdelux at att.net  Thu Jan 21 15:19:49 2010
From: pcdelux at att.net (Bill DeWar)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:19:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Stupid road trip
References: <4854.71446163.3889c0fe@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001a01ca9ae7$da2178b0$63514c0c@userbhfzubua17>

Hey Tim,

 If it breaks just make Gary push.
 Oh and what's a Trimuph?

Bill D
NJTA

----- Original Message -----
From: <grmtim at aol.com>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:38 AM
Subject: [Fot] Stupid road trip


> As I mentioned in a previous post, I have been looking for a big stupid
> station wagon to cart magazines around with and even tow my Trimuph to
local
> events.
>
> Unfortunately, I have found said wagon, a 1959 Edsel Villager and it is in
> Santa Ana, CA. One of the guys that works for me is in LA right now and
> instead of flying back, he is driving it to Scottsdale today and picking
me up.
> I have been at the auctions, hustling magazines. From there we are driving
> the Edsel to Florida.
>
> Tomorrow we head east following I-10. I think we will look for some back
> roads that run nearby. So, do any of you live along I-10 between Phoenix,
AZ
> and Jville, FL? Are any of you crazy enough to help us, or even let us
into
> your home's should we call you with a problem? Hey, what could possibly go
> wrong with a 50 year old car that we have never drivin before? And perhaps
> most importantly, what cool junkyards are between here and home that might
have
> that 1500 Spitfire hood that I have been looking for or the trim pieces I
> still need for Margie's 63 Corvair, or even some Edsels?
>
> Thanks and wish me luck!
>
> Tim Suddard
> Publisher; Classic Motorsports
> and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
> www.classicmotorsports.net
> www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
> Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723
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From gp89 at charter.net  Thu Jan 21 17:40:16 2010
From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:40:16 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Stupid road trip
Message-ID: <20100121194016.CDLQB.2652753.root@mp11>

---- grmtim at aol.com wrote: 
                                                           Hey, what could possibly go 
> wrong with a 50 year old car that we have never drivin before?
 Tim,you have the coolest job.  
 My father was a factory service rep for Edsel before moving to Minneapolis. He has all sorts of stories about the unfortunate Edsel. The problems were usually  pranks from disgruntled employees. Their favorite was to tack a wire with a wrench tied to the end inside a rear fender. Made lots of noise and was hard to find.
Jeff Senty

From gp89 at charter.net  Thu Jan 21 17:40:43 2010
From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:40:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Stupid road trip
Message-ID: <20100121194043.1LUYQ.2652778.root@mp11>

---- grmtim at aol.com wrote: 
                                                           Hey, what could possibly go 
> wrong with a 50 year old car that we have never drivin before?
 Tim,you have the coolest job.  
 My father was a factory service rep for Edsel before moving to Minneapolis. He has all sorts of stories about the unfortunate Edsel. The problems were usually  pranks from disgruntled employees. Their favorite was to tack a wire with a wrench tied to the end inside a rear fender. Made lots of noise and was hard to find.
Jeff Senty   

From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Thu Jan 21 22:07:03 2010
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:07:03 -0600
Subject: [Fot] source for TR4 rear axle U bolts?
In-Reply-To: <4B573FBD.8040208@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <000001ca9b20$bcfd5c20$6501a8c0@blake1>

Jim,

I'll be have some made at spring shop for my TR in the next couple of
days.  It takes about ten minutes to make them.  I'm making mine 2"
longer than stock so I can fine tune ride height with blocks.  You want
me to have them make you a set?  What length?
I am using the stock diameter of 3/8".

Anyone else need some?  Different diameter?

Greg  

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Behalf Of J.C. Hassall
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:39 AM
To: fot
Subject: [Fot] source for TR4 rear axle U bolts?

I'm looking for a source for 3/8" grade 8 U bolts (or bolt stock) for 
the TR4 solid axle.  I've checked the usual suspects locally but no one 
carries bolt stock that small.  Even utility trailer shops don't carry 
stock smaller than 1/2".  Sheesh!

tia

jim

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From lfritz82 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 22 21:08:55 2010
From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:08:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Sonett caliper piston
Message-ID: <BAY125-W2792C5BF5F9C6A87951F8BDA610@phx.gbl>

Does anyone know a supplier of caliper pistons. I need one for a Saab Sonett
and I'm having trouble locating one. I guess I can have one made on a lathe,
but I would rather buy one if possible.  Thanks in advance    Lorne Fritz
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sat Jan 23 00:04:02 2010
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:04:02 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Sonett caliper piston
References: <BAY125-W2792C5BF5F9C6A87951F8BDA610@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <043D412CB3D34270B63B6C1250772538@desktop>

If I remember correctly the Austin America uses the same pistons as the 
Sonnet.
Check out eBay Item number: 230424211618
      Charly Mitchel
      TR6 #44

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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:08 PM
Subject: [Fot] Sonett caliper piston


> Does anyone know a supplier of caliper pistons. I need one for a Saab 
> Sonett
> and I'm having trouble locating one. I guess I can have one made on a 
> lathe,
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Jan 23 18:54:17 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:54:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MG vs. Triumph
Message-ID: <41F961F483E44F2ABD825675DAFF1726@joepentiumnew>

I saw this in Sept 09 Automobiles Magazine and thought I'd share:

"You can be forgiven if the names don't mean anything to you.  One is a pair
of initials currently being slapped on Chinese-built Rover sedans; the other
is a word usually used to reference old, oil-leaking motorcycles.  Neither
has appeared on a new car in this country in more than twenty-five years,
but once, both were household names.

In the decades following WWII, British Marques MG and Triumph essentially
created the stateside market for the low-cost, high-fun roadster.  By
packaging pedestrian sedan components into rakish, droptop bodies, they
introduced thousands of people to the joys of cornering and all but invented
the wind-in-hair grin.  And while the two companies battled each other in
grand style at places like LeMans and the N|rburgring, the real contest took
place in showrooms.

It came down to a difference in personality: Triumph were raucous, snarly
little things, all torque and attitude, while MGs were more refined, often
slower, but usually better built.  The dichotomy regularly carried over into
ownership: According to lore, MG people wore string-back driving gloves and
saw Triumph jocks as hairy-eared brutes; Triumph people ate raw meat and
thought driving gloves were for dandy fops who drank light beer through a
straw.  Charmingly, each side was to be secretly in love with each other.

MG and Triumph faded out of the U.S. market in the early 80's, victims of
corporate avarice and terminal mismanagement.  Triumph later went belly-up;
MG, although still technically alive, has spent the past two decades on
badge-engineered life support.  All told, it was an ignominious end to one
of the automotive industries more likable duels."

Sam Smith

Cheers,
Joe Curry

From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat Jan 23 20:44:15 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:44:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MG vs. Triumph
In-Reply-To: <41F961F483E44F2ABD825675DAFF1726@joepentiumnew>
References: <41F961F483E44F2ABD825675DAFF1726@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS3E24FD0BEFCF1B54A9F5FC3600@phx.gbl>

Pretty much on the mark, though I would add that while us TR and MG folks were
worried about each other, the Porsche 356 and Alfa guys said the same things
about us that we now say about the Mazda Miata.

It's all relative.

And it is sad that our taste in cars is fading away.  The roads used to be
crawling with small, four cylinder, relatively affordable sports cars from
more than a few manufacturers. Now there is only the Miata.  And while it
sells in numbers that would make the Nuffield Organization/BMC/BLMC/JRT blush,
it is only a mere automotive footnote on a bygone era.

Who will carry the torch of the sports car ethic in the next generation?

We are dinosaurs, ladies and gents.

Terry Stetler

From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 21:16:56 2010
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:16:56 -0800
Subject: [Fot] [TR] MG vs. Triumph
In-Reply-To: <41F961F483E44F2ABD825675DAFF1726@joepentiumnew>
References: <41F961F483E44F2ABD825675DAFF1726@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <4B5BC9B8.6020207@gmail.com>

Joe Curry wrote:
> It came down to a difference in personality: Triumph were raucous, snarly
> little things, all torque and attitude,


I always thought of my Triumph more as a siren vixen, all attitude and
always game.  Red angora sweater, bright red lipstick and big red
plastic sunglasses over a big mischievous grin. What better companion
for a girl's day out.

Teriann

From group44tr7 at aol.com  Sun Jan 24 06:23:04 2010
From: group44tr7 at aol.com (group44tr7 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:23:04 EST
Subject: [Fot] MG vs. Triumph
Message-ID: <371f3.3aea797b.388da3b8@aol.com>

Joe
 
    Many of the later triumph advertisements tended to  be sending the 
message of buy the Triumph and you will get the vixen.  (Maybe the MG market 
were smarter than the Triumph market and did not buy  into the idea that 
driving a sports car would improve your sex appeal.)   And less we forget, Playboy 
sponsored the Group 44 TR7 in Australia. 
 
    As for the hairy brute stuff, I will only say that  my friend who was 
arrested for driving around in a gorilla costume was driving  an MG 
convertible :). 
 
    All the best, Cary

From andre at gt6.ca  Sun Jan 24 07:36:25 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:36:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] The Last Open Road
Message-ID: <4362ae391001240636v69e97f84naf6b5b28d69fd9e8@mail.gmail.com>

Well last week I finally started reading Burt's book.

I love it. Naturally.

The library system in Ottawa only had #1 and #4 Toly's Ghost.

I was going to read Toly's Ghost right after I finished Last Open Road
(will be done this week), but was told by a friend not to read them
out of order.

I casually mentioned this to my wife... Next thing I know she ordered
all 4 of the current books from Chapters. OUTSTANDING wife!
Guess they we're on sale and why the hell not.

At least I'll have some fresh material to read on the bus ride to work
every day.

Now to steal some garage time and finish off my roll cage.

Cheers.

A.

-- 
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
'77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
Ottawa, ON, Canada

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan 24 08:17:01 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:17:01 +0100
Subject: [Fot] [TR] MG vs. Triumph
In-Reply-To: <4B5BC9B8.6020207@gmail.com>
References: <41F961F483E44F2ABD825675DAFF1726@joepentiumnew>
	<4B5BC9B8.6020207@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001101ca9d08$4ad14b90$e073e2b0$@com>

I was not that lucky with cruising for girls.
Once I took a nice girl home, she had some wine.
On the Autobahn I had to lay her over the safety bar to let her vomit.

Alcohol in combination with hot Mobil 1 5w50 oil and fuel stench was too
much for her.
I never got her in that car again.

Good that there are more than one woman on this planet.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. Januar 2010 05:17
An: FOT
Betreff: Re: [Fot] [TR] MG vs. Triumph

Joe Curry wrote:
> It came down to a difference in personality: Triumph were raucous, snarly
> little things, all torque and attitude,


I always thought of my Triumph more as a siren vixen, all attitude and
always game.  Red angora sweater, bright red lipstick and big red
plastic sunglasses over a big mischievous grin. What better companion
for a girl's day out.

Teriann

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Jan 24 12:11:51 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:11:51 -0800
Subject: [Fot] MG vs. Triumph
In-Reply-To: <371f3.3aea797b.388da3b8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <08.AF.19307.87B9C5B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

>     As for the hairy brute stuff, I will only say that  my 
> friend who was 
> arrested for driving around in a gorilla costume was driving  an MG 
> convertible :). 

Clearly, the car was the problem.  Had he been driving a Triumph, they would
have just assumed he had forgotten to shave !

Randall

From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Sun Jan 24 12:17:48 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:17:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] shocks
Message-ID: <4B5C9CDC.4070803@cfl.rr.com>

Can someone tell me if the TR6 front shocks will physically fit a TR3?

thxx,
Bob

From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jan 24 12:53:26 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:53:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] shocks
In-Reply-To: <4B5C9CDC.4070803@cfl.rr.com>
References: <4B5C9CDC.4070803@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4B5CA536.4050409@bradakis.com>

Bob wrote:
> Can someone tell me if the TR6 front shocks will physically fit a TR3?
Yes, the shocks will physically fit.  But the stoke and overall lengths are
different between the 2-4 series and 4A-6, so they won't work that well.
At least that is what I remember from years ago.

mjb.

From rocky at spitfire4.com  Sun Jan 24 14:04:54 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:04:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] MG vs. Triumph
References: <41F961F483E44F2ABD825675DAFF1726@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <1C5723F5B71F487B944E595229AAC7EB@rocky>

When I was a kid, my dad had a girlfriend who had an MG TD. She didn't stick 
around long .. probably a good thing as the woman he later married was the 
World's Greatest Mom. Triumph not even in  the game yet and MG already has a 
score of nil.

First sports car I ever drove in anger was my brother's MGA. Oh, yeah! 
Hooked. MG 1, Triumph ?.

Came home to Lawrence, Ks., and went down to the British Motors dealer. He 
had an MG Midget on the lot in my price range. On the test drive it wandered 
all over the place. Salesman said that was normal. I didn't know enough 
about cars then to understand why, just that I didn't like it. Another 
missed score.

So I visited the Triumph store. Hadn't even heard much about them, but there 
was a little baby blue (Wedgewood Blue) '64 Spitfire on the lot in my price 
range. Felt nice and tight and responsive. Also it had those sleek Italian 
lines compared to the MG's squared-off design. And the owner of the store 
had a TR-4A that he RACED! Way cool. Bought the Spitfire. That was 1966. 
Still have it. Not baby blue any more (except for a little patch on the cowl 
I purposely never painted over) and it became a race car in 1971.

MG 3-and-out. Triumph won on its first play.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:54 PM
Subject: [Fot] MG vs. Triumph


>I saw this in Sept 09 Automobiles Magazine and thought I'd share:
>
> "You can be forgiven if the names don't mean anything to you.  One is a 
> pair
> of initials currently being slapped on Chinese-built Rover sedans; the 
> other
> is a word usually used to reference old, oil-leaking motorcycles.  Neither
> has appeared on a new car in this country in more than twenty-five years,
> but once, both were household names.
>
> In the decades following WWII, British Marques MG and Triumph essentially
> created the stateside market for the low-cost, high-fun roadster.  By
> packaging pedestrian sedan components into rakish, droptop bodies, they
> introduced thousands of people to the joys of cornering and all but 
> invented
> the wind-in-hair grin.  And while the two companies battled each other in
> grand style at places like LeMans and the N|rburgring, the real contest 
> took
> place in showrooms.
>
> It came down to a difference in personality: Triumph were raucous, snarly
> little things, all torque and attitude, while MGs were more refined, often
> slower, but usually better built.  The dichotomy regularly carried over 
> into
> ownership: According to lore, MG people wore string-back driving gloves 
> and
> saw Triumph jocks as hairy-eared brutes; Triumph people ate raw meat and
> thought driving gloves were for dandy fops who drank light beer through a
> straw.  Charmingly, each side was to be secretly in love with each other.
>
> MG and Triumph faded out of the U.S. market in the early 80's, victims of
> corporate avarice and terminal mismanagement.  Triumph later went 
> belly-up;
> MG, although still technically alive, has spent the past two decades on
> badge-engineered life support.  All told, it was an ignominious end to one
> of the automotive industries more likable duels."
>
> Sam Smith
>
> Cheers,
> Joe Curry
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From roadandtrack at bigpond.com  Sun Jan 24 15:06:26 2010
From: roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:06:26 +1000
Subject: [Fot] advice wanted on TR diff mounts
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1264359602.6213.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20100124220625.KWQL1743.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@rat01>

Can anyone offer any experience (postive or negative) on the 3 different TR
IRS rear diff mounting systems?. 

The 4A has a 2-piece rear diff case, with bolt on "ears" that accept the
same 2-piece  mounts front & rear. I'm assuming this will bolt into a later
TR (anyone comment??)

>From the parts book, it seems the TR250 modified the 4A arrangement to
accept a 1 piece mount, which looks same as TR6 rear mount. Is this
correct??

The TR6 has a sturdier looking 1-piece alloy case with a single piece rear
mount. I now have this system,. But the mounts are routinely falling apart,
hence my query

Thanks., Terry O'Beirne

From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Sun Jan 24 21:54:25 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:54:25 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Video
Message-ID: <2FF3DAE5A2834B46902ACBE378021215@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

I uploaded a video from a race last August to Youtube yesterday.  This is
in-car stuff with wife Patty driving the Spitfire and friend Phil Weaver in
the Alfa.  Video footage from both cars has been blended together.

Enjoy!

From rikrock at aol.com  Mon Jan 25 09:21:46 2010
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:21:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Weber Setup Advice?
Message-ID: <8CC6BF19F90D6BF-267C-2C8CD@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com>

I'm looking for some advice on fitting a pair of Weber DCOE's to a TR4
vintage-race motor.  89mm bore, M-24 cam from Gillanders, 11.5cr , Stahl
header (can't remember the primary diameter or length)

I guess they will be 45's?  So, any suggestions on where to start with choke
size, jets, air correctors, emulsion tubes, etc?  Probably going to buy a new
pair along with a new manifold and linkage.  Where should I buy them?

Thanks!

Rich Rock

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue Jan 26 10:01:25 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:01:25 EST
Subject: [Fot] TR4  Roller For Sale    NFI
Message-ID: <b35e.30fcc2f0.389079e5@cs.com>

FOT.....this is likely the best roller you will ever see. 

Uncle Jack & I took a look at this car for another friend a few years ago. 
Jack's report was highly favorable but we went in another direction.  It is 
now available for sale once again.

<A HREF="http://davetalbotttr4rollingchassis.blogspot.com/">
http://davetalbotttr4rollingchassis.blogspot.com/</A>


Take a look at the above blogspot. If you know of someone who would benefit 
from this information, pass it on. It will be available for a short period 
and then will go to eBay for auction.

Regards,

Joe Alexander</HTML>

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 26 10:18:54 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:18:54 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR4  Roller For Sale    NFI
In-Reply-To: <b35e.30fcc2f0.389079e5@cs.com>
References: <b35e.30fcc2f0.389079e5@cs.com>
Message-ID: <CBD8461D-C756-4226-92EE-400157603317@earthlink.net>

That won't last long for the price.

~Steve



On Jan 26, 2010, at 9:01 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

FOT.....this is likely the best roller you will ever see.

Uncle Jack & I took a look at this car for another friend a few years  
ago.
Jack's report was highly favorable but we went in another direction.   
It is
now available for sale once again.

<A HREF="http://davetalbotttr4rollingchassis.blogspot.com/">
http://davetalbotttr4rollingchassis.blogspot.com/</A>


Take a look at the above blogspot. If you know of someone who would  
benefit
from this information, pass it on. It will be available for a short  
period
and then will go to eBay for auction.

Regards,

Joe Alexander</HTML>
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From andre at gt6.ca  Tue Jan 26 14:54:17 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:54:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
Message-ID: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>

Serious question.

Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?

2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?

Thoughts...

A.

-- 
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'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
'77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
Ottawa, ON, Canada

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 26 15:06:53 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:06:53 -0800
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DD8B4554-0B22-494F-A2F8-92DBE7AD3910@earthlink.net>

I hear the sound effects of a cukoo clock when I picture that  
scenario : )

~Steve


On Jan 26, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Andre Rousseau wrote:

Serious question.

Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?

2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?

Thoughts...

A.

-- 
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'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
'77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
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From herald948 at aol.com  Tue Jan 26 15:10:14 2010
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:10:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
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-----Original Message-----

From: Andre Rousseau <andre at gt6.ca>


Serious question.

Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?

2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?


 ==AM==
Possible, I suppose, but iffy at best. There was a print ad for the home
market Vitesse, showing it towing a small formula car on a trailer. At the
very least, though, your GT would need to be pulling no more than a
lightweight trailer with a lightweight racer. Then, of course, you'd need to
figure out how a secure hitch would be mounted to the GT6, and you might need
to look at cooling, electrical and some drivetrain mechanical upgrades.



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
Register: http://www.vtr.org

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From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Jan 26 15:10:51 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:10:51 -0800
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4555535D24104483846ED9C740910418@Bud>

Holy Mackarel!...Don't jam on the brakes!....
I flat towed  a TR4 racecar with a Tr6 from Oakland Ca. to Laguna Seca....in 
1974...didn't make it though....Hardy Prentice is the guy to ask about that 
stuff...He towed his TR3 with an XKE...
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:54 PM
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


> Serious question.
>
> Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?
>
> 2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?
>
> Thoughts...
>
> A.
>
> -- 
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> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
> '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
> Ottawa, ON, Canada
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Jan 26 15:11:36 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:11:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <850313448.13051591264543896623.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

It mostly depends on the length / weight of the trailer vs. the length/weight
of the

tow vehicle. It may tow OK in a strait line but if you are forced to take any
kind of

evasive action or get a crosswindB you will definetly have a big problem.

Frankly, I wouldn't do it.

jg




----- Original Message -----
From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:54:17 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?

Serious question.

Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?

2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?

Thoughts...

A.

--
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From bownes at seiri.com  Tue Jan 26 15:37:25 2010
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:37:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
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Full size race car + all the other goodies you'd need to go racing, not
likely.

Small Formula car on lightweight open trailer, no problem. I've often
thought about a lightweight trailer for my FV so I could tow it behind the
TR6, Miata or MR2. But then there isn't room for the toolbox. :)



On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 5:11 PM, <toodamnfunky at comcast.net> wrote:

> It mostly depends on the length / weight of the trailer vs. the
> length/weight
> of the
>
> tow vehicle. It may tow OK in a strait line but if you are forced to take
> any
> kind of
>
> evasive action or get a crosswindB you will definetly have a big problem.
>
> Frankly, I wouldn't do it.
>
> jg
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:54:17 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
> Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
>
> Serious question.
>
> Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?
>
> 2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?
>
> Thoughts...
>
> A.
>
> --
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 26 15:40:21 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:40:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
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Having towed home a Volvo 164 behind a Fiat 850 and then pulling a  
full sized Blazer out of a ditch with said Volvo, most anything is  
possible. But I don't think a GT6 could handle the tung weight of a  
[loaded] trailer. Flat tow with a tow-bar might work but no brakes to  
the towed car would not be so good. Maybe a tow dolly with brakes?  
Never seen such but it's doable.
A friend tows a Bug-eye on a rather large trailer behind a '54  
Bentley... He jokes about how much better the Bentley stops with the  
electrically braked trailer attached!

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM

On Jan 26, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Andre Rousseau wrote:

> Serious question.
>
> Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?
>
> 2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?
>
> Thoughts...
>
> A.
>
> -- 
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Tue Jan 26 15:49:41 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:49:41 -0800
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
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> Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?

IMO, yes, it's possible providing you find a lightweight trailer & racer &
you keep an eye on the temp gauge.  If you plan to do this on a regular
basis, I would also suggest electric brakes on the trailer and a matching
automatic controller on the GT6.

FWIW, I once towed a TR3A on a single axle boat trailer some 2500 miles,
through the Rockies & plains states, with a car only slightly heavier and
more powerful than a GT6 (2.8L V6, 2500 lbs curb weight).  Also had the
family and a full load of luggage along.  Had no problems at all, even at
70+ mph, except for burning lots of fuel (nearly 3 times more than normal
driving), and of course slowing down on upgrades.  Fortunately the CHP that
stopped me let me go with a warning on the speed (cars with trailers are
limited to 55 mph in CA).

Don't forget that you will have to have at least 10-12% of the gross weight
of the trailer transferred to the car's suspension (which will actually be
more like 16% at the rear wheels, with an open hitch).  Might need some
beefier springs or air shocks.  Even though they aren't normally used for
such a light trailer, a load-leveling hitch might be an option (to move some
of the transferred weight onto the front wheels of the car).

-- Randall  

From billb at bnj.com  Tue Jan 26 16:01:34 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:01:34 -1000
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
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It almost always comes down to brakes. I'd guess not, at least not safely. 
On Jan 26, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Andre Rousseau wrote:

> Serious question.
> 
> Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?
> 
> 2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?
> 
> Thoughts...
> 
> A.
> 
> -- 
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Tue Jan 26 16:06:30 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:06:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
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  I think I'd get a big honking pickup with a Hemi under the hood!
  Your GT6 is too nice a car to tow with and probably a little underpowered.

  Is there a guy on the list known as catpusher? Is that Hardy Prentice? I
remember talking to Dave at TRF about a guy towing with a Jag. Of course,
the E Type had a lot more under the hood.

  If you buy my gas, I'll bring Moby Dick up and haul you around! Actually,
I may go to Mosport in June and crew for a friend from Grand Island who runs
an MGB. Hopefully you'll be there, with your car, on track.

  Good luck with whatever you decide

  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:54 PM
  Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


  > Serious question.
  >
  > Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?
  >
  > 2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?
  >
  > Thoughts...
  >
  > A.
  >
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From riverside at southslope.net  Tue Jan 26 16:28:12 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:28:12 -0600
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
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	<4555535D24104483846ED9C740910418@Bud>
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Ran a regional at Road America about '72.   two other
TR 3's there - one towed behind a 289 Cobra!

art de armond
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To: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


> Holy Mackarel!...Don't jam on the brakes!....
> I flat towed  a TR4 racecar with a Tr6 from Oakland Ca. to Laguna 
> Seca....in 1974...didn't make it though....Hardy Prentice is the guy to 
> ask about that stuff...He towed his TR3 with an XKE...
> Racer Bud
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:54 PM
> Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
>
>
>> Serious question.
>>
>> Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?
>>
>> 2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?
>>
>> Thoughts...
>>
>> A.
>>
>> -- 
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From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Jan 26 17:11:18 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:11:18 -0800
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
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Message-ID: <20100126191118.TYP1O.397522.imail@fed1rmwml33>

You never mentioned WHAT you intended to tow. BRAKES will be the key as you can change the tongue weight to suit and the gearbox will pull it okay, but stopping in the same day, (maybe not:-) (second gear for twenty miles in the Rockies) 

I have flat towed a lot, and that would probably be a better ticket. I flat towed my MG special with a 1951 Morgan 4 seater that had about 3 HP and it was okay over the Rockies too boot.
--
Never be beaten by equipment

From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Tue Jan 26 19:37:02 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:37:02 -0800
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
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Message-ID: <45ABAECCF02C45BD8E5DB82A320F1C1E@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is how in the heck are you going to
mount the hitch on the GT6?  There's not much structure in the back 2 ft of
the car and I'm not sure how to run anything substantial up to the frame.
My Subaru Forester is rated to tow 2400 lbs with a class 3 receiver hitch
bolted to the frame.  Based on that, I'd put a safe max on the GT6 of less
than 1000 lbs.

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Jan 26 20:15:07 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:15:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
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Message-ID: <8CC6D160FD2D0F3-428C-F734@webmail-m018.sysops.aol.com>

Hardy used the rear tranny mount of a TR3 bolted to the E-TYPE unibody to
spread the loading and support the hitch for flat towing his TR3 race car.

While in his garage, he pointed at it and asked me if I knew what that was.

I thought it was great. But my purist friend, Hugh Patterson, thought it was
travesty.




-----Original Message-----
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To: 'Andre Rousseau' <andre at gt6.ca>; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is how in the heck are you going to
ount the hitch on the GT6?  There's not much structure in the back 2 ft of
he car and I'm not sure how to run anything substantial up to the frame.
y Subaru Forester is rated to tow 2400 lbs with a class 3 receiver hitch
olted to the frame.  Based on that, I'd put a safe max on the GT6 of less
han 1000 lbs.
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From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Jan 26 20:22:46 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:22:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
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Message-ID: <1D00F4C6F8D74DDB8E43BCE2ABDC584F@Bud>

It's not a big problem...You can 'Give it a Shot'...If it doesn't pan 
out....Then....I betcha you'll push that Turkey to the track....
Thanks for bringin' back the 'Old Days'
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <norlinengineering at comcast.net>; <andre at gt6.ca>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


> Hardy used the rear tranny mount of a TR3 bolted to the E-TYPE unibody to
> spread the loading and support the hitch for flat towing his TR3 race car.
>
> While in his garage, he pointed at it and asked me if I knew what that 
> was.
>
> I thought it was great. But my purist friend, Hugh Patterson, thought it 
> was
> travesty.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Norlin Engineering <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
> To: 'Andre Rousseau' <andre at gt6.ca>; fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:37 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
>
>
> One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is how in the heck are you going 
> to
> ount the hitch on the GT6?  There's not much structure in the back 2 ft of
> he car and I'm not sure how to run anything substantial up to the frame.
> y Subaru Forester is rated to tow 2400 lbs with a class 3 receiver hitch
> olted to the frame.  Based on that, I'd put a safe max on the GT6 of less
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Tue Jan 26 20:13:46 2010
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:13:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
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	<001201ca9edf$3c772fa0$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
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If you get it rolling   you may need electric brakes on the trailer to stop 
it
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "riverside" <riverside at southslope.net>
To: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>; "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>; 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


> Ran a regional at Road America about '72.   two other
> TR 3's there - one towed behind a 289 Cobra!
>
> art de armond
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
> To: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
>
>
>> Holy Mackarel!...Don't jam on the brakes!....
>> I flat towed  a TR4 racecar with a Tr6 from Oakland Ca. to Laguna 
>> Seca....in 1974...didn't make it though....Hardy Prentice is the guy to 
>> ask about that stuff...He towed his TR3 with an XKE...
>> Racer Bud
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
>> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:54 PM
>> Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
>>
>>
>>> Serious question.
>>>
>>> Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?
>>>
>>> 2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?
>>>
>>> Thoughts...
>>>
>>> A.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
>>> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
>>> '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Tue Jan 26 21:06:48 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:06:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
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 Has someone been sniffin fumes ?  But Ido remember there was a GT6 racer who
towed it with a TR8, I believe.








-----Original Message-----
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To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:54 pm
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


Serious question.

Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?

2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?

Thoughts...

A.

--
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Tue Jan 26 21:39:09 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:39:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
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The owner's manual for the TR8 says that you can tow up to 2800 pounds if
the trailer has brakes.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of robertten1 at aol.com
Sent: January 26, 2010 11:07 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?

 Has someone been sniffin fumes ?  But Ido remember there was a GT6 racer
who
towed it with a TR8, I believe.








-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Rousseau <andre at gt6.ca>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:54 pm
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


Serious question.

Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?

2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?

Thoughts...

A.

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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Jan 27 07:47:17 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:47:17 EST
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
Message-ID: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com>

In a message dated 01/26/2010 5:32:23 PM Central Standard Time, 
riverside at southslope.net writes:


> Ran a regional at Road America about '72.   two other
> TR 3's there - one towed behind a 289 Cobra!
> 

Art...

I wonder if one of the others was Mike Belfer (or Tom Belfer, or Mike 
Cataldo, who often CO-drove Belfer's TR3).

In the early 1980s, I used to flat tow Ole Blue.  I had a very short, 
custom made tow bar set up, and it did not track very well at all.  At the time I 
was using an Oldsmobile Fierenza (sp?) as the tow vehicle.  Don't know if 
you remember them, but they were a pretty lightweight compact car.  Well, I 
was towing coming back to Brookfield from Blackhawk on I-43.  I tried to exit 
at Hwy. 164 and the TR3 pushed me past the exit.  On that day I decided 
that MASS was an important issue when selecting a tow vehicle.

Bill Dentinger

From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jan 27 12:06:57 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:06:57 -0600
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
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Back in the day, I towed a trailer behind my TR250 from Dallas to 
Seattle.  The trailer was small, maybe 6x4x4 and maybe 1000 to 1500 
lbs.  Some of those passes in Colorado were 2nd gear all the way.  The 
transmission went out 4 months later and rear end went out after that.

Have you noticed we get into these towing discussions every winter?  I'm 
looking at a Touareg Diesel.  It's a compromise - a bit small for towing 
but more practical around town than a 3/4 ton diesel pickup.

Andre Rousseau wrote:
> Serious question.
>
> Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?
>
> 2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?
>
> Thoughts...
>
> A.

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Wed Jan 27 15:09:44 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:09:44 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Dave Talbot's TR4 is on Bring a Trailer webpage now
Message-ID: <D00D12437CBD415AA2EF6E9D46EA2035@latitudefb1e41>

http://bringatrailer.com/category/british/


Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch
excellence.
Vince Lombardi

From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Jan 27 21:34:22 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:34:22 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Towing
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So we had the discussion on using a GT-6 as a tow car (LOVE it).  And 
I've been trying to resist morphing this into the full on annual tow 
vehicle discussion, but I can't help myself.

I have a pretty heavy open trailer with a weight jacker hitch that I 
tow my TR-4 with.  I use a Chevy Astro van loaded to the gills and am 
generally pretty happy with it.  It would be nice to move up about 
one notch in power though.  My current one is getting a bit long in 
the tooth (at least from a miles standpoint) - I just turned over 
166,000 miles.  Of course, I've replace MANY parts throughout my 
tenure with this, some expected, some not expected.  The intake 
manifold gasket replacement sucked the big one but was cheap since I 
did it myself, and the brake booster blowout ended up being almost 
$2500 due to the incompetence of the initial repair (should have been 
$1200 and done).

Anyway, GM quit making these things and I'm toying with what to get 
as a replacement.  It doesn't have to happen right away, I can keep 
this one going probably past 200,000.

What I'm looking for is a USED, CHEAP, GREAT tow vehicle.  I really 
like the van idea because I can put a bunch of stuff in it out of the 
rain and such, it's semi-practical when I'm NOT towing, and I can 
carry PEOPLE with it too.  I can have my big cooler within arms reach 
while on the road.  I'm thinking about a lower mileage Astro from one 
of the last years of manufacture.  I paid $2900 for my Astro a few 
years ago (had a bit over 100,000 on it then), so that gives you an 
idea of how I work.  It was an incredible value in my book.  (The 
money goes in the RACE car.)  So, let's say $7,500 max purchase price.

A pickup with a back seat and a topper may be OK, or a BIG SUV may 
work but seems like it has more to go wrong and is very space inefficient.

I'm interested to hear what you think would work...

Thanks, Tony Drews

From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Jan 27 22:01:32 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:01:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Towing
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Tony,
I have an Avalanche that I tow my double deck trailer with two Spits and it
does just fine.

It has a cover for the back end so I can get a lot of stuff in it and with
the back seats laid down, it makes a lot more room for storage.

And since it has four doors, it makes a very good casual vehicle when not
going to events.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:34 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Towing

So we had the discussion on using a GT-6 as a tow car (LOVE it).  And 
I've been trying to resist morphing this into the full on annual tow 
vehicle discussion, but I can't help myself.

I have a pretty heavy open trailer with a weight jacker hitch that I 
tow my TR-4 with.  I use a Chevy Astro van loaded to the gills and am 
generally pretty happy with it.  It would be nice to move up about 
one notch in power though.  My current one is getting a bit long in 
the tooth (at least from a miles standpoint) - I just turned over 
166,000 miles.  Of course, I've replace MANY parts throughout my 
tenure with this, some expected, some not expected.  The intake 
manifold gasket replacement sucked the big one but was cheap since I 
did it myself, and the brake booster blowout ended up being almost 
$2500 due to the incompetence of the initial repair (should have been 
$1200 and done).

Anyway, GM quit making these things and I'm toying with what to get 
as a replacement.  It doesn't have to happen right away, I can keep 
this one going probably past 200,000.

What I'm looking for is a USED, CHEAP, GREAT tow vehicle.  I really 
like the van idea because I can put a bunch of stuff in it out of the 
rain and such, it's semi-practical when I'm NOT towing, and I can 
carry PEOPLE with it too.  I can have my big cooler within arms reach 
while on the road.  I'm thinking about a lower mileage Astro from one 
of the last years of manufacture.  I paid $2900 for my Astro a few 
years ago (had a bit over 100,000 on it then), so that gives you an 
idea of how I work.  It was an incredible value in my book.  (The 
money goes in the RACE car.)  So, let's say $7,500 max purchase price.

A pickup with a back seat and a topper may be OK, or a BIG SUV may 
work but seems like it has more to go wrong and is very space inefficient.

I'm interested to hear what you think would work...

Thanks, Tony Drews
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From Catpusher at aol.com  Thu Jan 28 01:17:09 2010
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 03:17:09 EST
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
Message-ID: <18c.24e9f1ca.3892a205@aol.com>

It has been some time since Joe saw my E Type hitch.  There are two  bars 
inside the floor that bolt to a major strap under the backside that goes  
from the front bottom of the spare tire floor to past the tow ball mounting  
hole that is drilled through it.  The TR3 removable frame rear gearbox  mount 
connects the main bar to straps inside and out that tie into the 4 license  
plate mounting holes.
 
Ellie and I have owned one of the last GT6+s made, since new; and have put  
240,000 miles on it.  I would not suggest towing anything heavy with  it.  
Where do we get new laygears?
 
The GT6 parts book shows PN 210953  "towing attachment kit--rear"  fitted 
up to KC50000 only
and PN 214521 from KC50001 and future.......... on page 199  ACCESSORIES
 
Hardy
 
Date:  Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:15:07 -0500
From: n197tr4 at cs.com
Subject: Re: [Fot]  How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
To: norlinengineering at comcast.net,  andre at gt6.ca, fot at autox.team.net


Hardy used the rear tranny mount  of a TR3 bolted to the E-TYPE unibody to
spread the loading and support the  hitch for flat towing his TR3 race  car.

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Jan 28 07:38:25 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:38:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 'HARDLY A. APPRENTICE'  or  'THE E-TYPE TOW VEHICLE'
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Message-ID: <8CC6E3EAF0D53C2-3F64-7D55@webmail-d052.sysops.aol.com>

Yup, I forgot about all of that other stuff connected to the TR3 tranny mount.
Age related thing.

I dont suppose you and Ellie and PC would consider joining us at Heartland
Park in August?

We will be there with Dusty.

Joe, Jan, Dusty








-----Original Message-----
From: Catpusher at aol.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Thu, Jan 28, 2010 2:17 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


It has been some time since Joe saw my E Type hitch.  There are two  bars
nside the floor that bolt to a major strap under the backside that goes
rom the front bottom of the spare tire floor to past the tow ball mounting
ole that is drilled through it.  The TR3 removable frame rear gearbox  mount
onnects the main bar to straps inside and out that tie into the 4 license
late mounting holes.

llie and I have owned one of the last GT6+s made, since new; and have put
40,000 miles on it.  I would not suggest towing anything heavy with  it.
here do we get new laygears?

he GT6 parts book shows PN 210953  "towing attachment kit--rear"  fitted
p to KC50000 only
nd PN 214521 from KC50001 and future.......... on page 199  ACCESSORIES

ardy

ate:  Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:15:07 -0500
rom: n197tr4 at cs.com
ubject: Re: [Fot]  How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
o: norlinengineering at comcast.net,  andre at gt6.ca, fot at autox.team.net

ardy used the rear tranny mount  of a TR3 bolted to the E-TYPE unibody to
pread the loading and support the  hitch for flat towing his TR3 race  car.
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Thu Jan 28 07:54:20 2010
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:54:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Towing
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1999 Ford Expedition. 18ft inclosed trailer, car, tools, wife, kids,  
toys,etc. Haven't check prices lately. I'm sure under 10g. Great all  
purpose vehicle.

My 2 cents
Todd


Sent from Cell phone


On Jan 27, 2010, at 11:34 PM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> So we had the discussion on using a GT-6 as a tow car (LOVE it).   
> And I've been trying to resist morphing this into the full on annual  
> tow vehicle discussion, but I can't help myself.
>
> I have a pretty heavy open trailer with a weight jacker hitch that I  
> tow my TR-4 with.  I use a Chevy Astro van loaded to the gills and  
> am generally pretty happy with it.  It would be nice to move up  
> about one notch in power though.  My current one is getting a bit  
> long in the tooth (at least from a miles standpoint) - I just turned  
> over 166,000 miles.  Of course, I've replace MANY parts throughout  
> my tenure with this, some expected, some not expected.  The intake  
> manifold gasket replacement sucked the big one but was cheap since I  
> did it myself, and the brake booster blowout ended up being almost  
> $2500 due to the incompetence of the initial repair (should have  
> been $1200 and done).
>
> Anyway, GM quit making these things and I'm toying with what to get  
> as a replacement.  It doesn't have to happen right away, I can keep  
> this one going probably past 200,000.
>
> What I'm looking for is a USED, CHEAP, GREAT tow vehicle.  I really  
> like the van idea because I can put a bunch of stuff in it out of  
> the rain and such, it's semi-practical when I'm NOT towing, and I  
> can carry PEOPLE with it too.  I can have my big cooler within arms  
> reach while on the road.  I'm thinking about a lower mileage Astro  
> from one of the last years of manufacture.  I paid $2900 for my  
> Astro a few years ago (had a bit over 100,000 on it then), so that  
> gives you an idea of how I work.  It was an incredible value in my  
> book.  (The money goes in the RACE car.)  So, let's say $7,500 max  
> purchase price.
>
> A pickup with a back seat and a topper may be OK, or a BIG SUV may  
> work but seems like it has more to go wrong and is very space  
> inefficient.
>
> I'm interested to hear what you think would work...
>
> Thanks, Tony Drews
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From LimeyV8 at aol.com  Thu Jan 28 09:35:29 2010
From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:35:29 EST
Subject: [Fot] Towing
Message-ID: <9c84.4e73741e.389316d1@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/28/2010 12:03:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
spitlist at cox.net writes:

I have  an Avalanche that I tow my double deck trailer with two Spits and it
does  just fine.

It has a cover for the back end so I can get a lot of stuff  in it and with
the back seats laid down, it makes a lot more room for  storage.

And since it has four doors, it makes a very good casual  vehicle when not
going to events.

Joe C.
 
 
Ditto or yeah, what he said.
 
I tow with an Avalanche - same color as Joe's actually - and like it a lot. 
 Its got almost 120,000 miles on it now - I've owned it since new and at 
least  75% of those miles were done towing a TR6 or TR8 somewhere. 
no problems with it - ever.
 
Cheers,
Jack Mc

From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Jan 28 10:03:08 2010
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:03:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Towing
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Message-ID: <d9f7bd331001280903s338dea6bw9f1fb8e64c4edb30@mail.gmail.com>

wow...

I too am towing with an Avalanche. On my 2nd one in fact (2006 1500, we gave
the 2002 to the in-laws). Towing 24' enclosed trailer with whatever we're
racing/working on this weekend in it (FV, Nissan 200sx LeMons car, TR6,
etc).

IMHO, the 2002 is the one to own. The interior is a bit more comfy. The 1500
front brake disks warp on all of them, think about upgrading to the brake
calipers/rotors from the 2500 if need be.

Another alternative is to find a well loved ambulance. Preferably one owned
by a volunteer rescue squad as they take better care of vehicles. Our squad
just sold off a 6 year old Ford E350 Type III (the kind with the box on the
back) turbo diesel for $4k or so. 100k miles and still going strong. I
strongly considered buying it but it has this _nasty_ squeak in the steering
column that drove me _nuts_ on a several hour transport once. Easily fixed
with a new bushing, but just the memory put me off :)


On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:35 AM, <LimeyV8 at aol.com> wrote:

> In a message dated 1/28/2010 12:03:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> spitlist at cox.net writes:
>
> I have  an Avalanche that I tow my double deck trailer with two Spits and
> it
> does  just fine.
>
> It has a cover for the back end so I can get a lot of stuff  in it and with
> the back seats laid down, it makes a lot more room for  storage.
>
> And since it has four doors, it makes a very good casual  vehicle when not
> going to events.
>
> Joe C.
>
>
> Ditto or yeah, what he said.
>
> I tow with an Avalanche - same color as Joe's actually - and like it a lot.
>  Its got almost 120,000 miles on it now - I've owned it since new and at
> least  75% of those miles were done towing a TR6 or TR8 somewhere.
> no problems with it - ever.
>
> Cheers,
> Jack Mc
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 28 10:43:41 2010
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:43:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Towing
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Message-ID: <982600.49707.qm@web80805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If anyone is interested in a new Ford product, get in touch with me.

Doug
Mitchell




________________________________
From: robert bownes
<bownes at seiri.com>
To: LimeyV8 at aol.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu,
January 28, 2010 12:03:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing

wow...

I too am
towing with an Avalanche. On my 2nd one in fact (2006 1500, we gave
the 2002
to the in-laws). Towing 24' enclosed trailer with whatever we're
racing/working on this weekend in it (FV, Nissan 200sx LeMons car, TR6,
etc).
IMHO, the 2002 is the one to own. The interior is a bit more comfy. The 1500
front brake disks warp on all of them, think about upgrading to the brake
calipers/rotors from the 2500 if need be.

Another alternative is to find a
well loved ambulance. Preferably one owned
by a volunteer rescue squad as they
take better care of vehicles. Our squad
just sold off a 6 year old Ford E350
Type III (the kind with the box on the
back) turbo diesel for $4k or so. 100k
miles and still going strong. I
strongly considered buying it but it has this
_nasty_ squeak in the steering
column that drove me _nuts_ on a several hour
transport once. Easily fixed
with a new bushing, but just the memory put me
off :)


On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:35 AM, <LimeyV8 at aol.com> wrote:

> In a
message dated 1/28/2010 12:03:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>
spitlist at cox.net writes:
>
> I have  an Avalanche that I tow my double deck
trailer with two Spits and
> it
> does  just fine.
>
> It has a cover for the
back end so I can get a lot of stuff  in it and with
> the back seats laid
down, it makes a lot more room for  storage.
>
> And since it has four doors,
it makes a very good casual  vehicle when not
> going to events.
>
> Joe C.
>
>
> Ditto or yeah, what he said.
>
> I tow with an Avalanche - same color as
Joe's actually - and like it a lot.
>  Its got almost 120,000 miles on it now
- I've owned it since new and at
> least  75% of those miles were done towing
a TR6 or TR8 somewhere.
> no problems with it - ever.
>
> Cheers,
> Jack Mc
>
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 28 10:54:45 2010
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:54:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Towing
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Message-ID: <BAY123-W4437E915E4CEEF9B2CA174BA5C0@phx.gbl>

 FWIW I am on my 3rd F-150 $X$ (oops I mean 4X4) extended cab with a tonue
cover. Never had trouble with any of them. I have always gone with the 5.4L
and they have been great tow vehicles for me. For years I had a steel trailer
built like a tank and it did great. A few years ago I fell into a deal on an
aluminum trailer. Now I don't even know I am towing something behind me. My 09
has the built in trailer brakes, good stuff.



Marty

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From riverside at southslope.net  Thu Jan 28 11:57:05 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:57:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Towing
References: <9c84.4e73741e.389316d1@aol.com>
	<d9f7bd331001280903s338dea6bw9f1fb8e64c4edb30@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008e01caa04b$af407970$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Any body try one of the airport
shuttle bus Diesels??

art de armond
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "robert bownes" <bownes at seiri.com>
To: <LimeyV8 at aol.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing


> wow...
>
> I too am towing with an Avalanche. On my 2nd one in fact (2006 1500, we 
> gave
> the 2002 to the in-laws). Towing 24' enclosed trailer with whatever we're
> racing/working on this weekend in it (FV, Nissan 200sx LeMons car, TR6,
> etc).
>
> IMHO, the 2002 is the one to own. The interior is a bit more comfy. The 
> 1500
> front brake disks warp on all of them, think about upgrading to the brake
> calipers/rotors from the 2500 if need be.
>
> Another alternative is to find a well loved ambulance. Preferably one 
> owned
> by a volunteer rescue squad as they take better care of vehicles. Our 
> squad
> just sold off a 6 year old Ford E350 Type III (the kind with the box on 
> the
> back) turbo diesel for $4k or so. 100k miles and still going strong. I
> strongly considered buying it but it has this _nasty_ squeak in the 
> steering
> column that drove me _nuts_ on a several hour transport once. Easily fixed
> with a new bushing, but just the memory put me off :)
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:35 AM, <LimeyV8 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 1/28/2010 12:03:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> spitlist at cox.net writes:
>>
>> I have  an Avalanche that I tow my double deck trailer with two Spits and
>> it
>> does  just fine.
>>
>> It has a cover for the back end so I can get a lot of stuff  in it and 
>> with
>> the back seats laid down, it makes a lot more room for  storage.
>>
>> And since it has four doors, it makes a very good casual  vehicle when 
>> not
>> going to events.
>>
>> Joe C.
>>
>>
>> Ditto or yeah, what he said.
>>
>> I tow with an Avalanche - same color as Joe's actually - and like it a 
>> lot.
>>  Its got almost 120,000 miles on it now - I've owned it since new and at
>> least  75% of those miles were done towing a TR6 or TR8 somewhere.
>> no problems with it - ever.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jack Mc
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From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Jan 28 12:17:43 2010
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:17:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <008e01caa04b$af407970$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <9c84.4e73741e.389316d1@aol.com>
	<d9f7bd331001280903s338dea6bw9f1fb8e64c4edb30@mail.gmail.com>
	<008e01caa04b$af407970$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
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There was a guy I knew out in Ca who had one who was pretty happy with it.
Can't for the life of me remember his name though.


On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:57 PM, riverside <riverside at southslope.net> wrote:

> Any body try one of the airport
> shuttle bus Diesels??
>
> art de armond
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert bownes" <bownes at seiri.com>
> To: <LimeyV8 at aol.com>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing
>
>
>  wow...
>>
>> I too am towing with an Avalanche. On my 2nd one in fact (2006 1500, we
>> gave
>> the 2002 to the in-laws). Towing 24' enclosed trailer with whatever we're
>> racing/working on this weekend in it (FV, Nissan 200sx LeMons car, TR6,
>> etc).
>>
>> IMHO, the 2002 is the one to own. The interior is a bit more comfy. The
>> 1500
>> front brake disks warp on all of them, think about upgrading to the brake
>> calipers/rotors from the 2500 if need be.
>>
>> Another alternative is to find a well loved ambulance. Preferably one
>> owned
>> by a volunteer rescue squad as they take better care of vehicles. Our
>> squad
>> just sold off a 6 year old Ford E350 Type III (the kind with the box on
>> the
>> back) turbo diesel for $4k or so. 100k miles and still going strong. I
>> strongly considered buying it but it has this _nasty_ squeak in the
>> steering
>> column that drove me _nuts_ on a several hour transport once. Easily fixed
>> with a new bushing, but just the memory put me off :)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:35 AM, <LimeyV8 at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>  In a message dated 1/28/2010 12:03:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> spitlist at cox.net writes:
>>>
>>> I have  an Avalanche that I tow my double deck trailer with two Spits and
>>> it
>>> does  just fine.
>>>
>>> It has a cover for the back end so I can get a lot of stuff  in it and
>>> with
>>> the back seats laid down, it makes a lot more room for  storage.
>>>
>>> And since it has four doors, it makes a very good casual  vehicle when
>>> not
>>> going to events.
>>>
>>> Joe C.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ditto or yeah, what he said.
>>>
>>> I tow with an Avalanche - same color as Joe's actually - and like it a
>>> lot.
>>>  Its got almost 120,000 miles on it now - I've owned it since new and at
>>> least  75% of those miles were done towing a TR6 or TR8 somewhere.
>>> no problems with it - ever.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jack Mc
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Jan 28 12:58:31 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:58:31 EST
Subject: [Fot] Towing
Message-ID: <117e0.762f5f39.38934667@aol.com>

In a message dated 01/28/2010 1:03:01 PM Central Standard Time, 
riverside at southslope.net writes:


> Any body try one of the airport
> shuttle bus Diesels??
> 
> 

Amici...

For the last four or five years I have been towing a 24' enclosed trailer 
and a race car with a 1995 Chevrolet G30 (One Ton) cargo van.  It's previous 
owner was the National Guard (Texas).  I bought it on ebay in the summer of 
2004 when it had just over 40,000 miles.  Inside I mounted peg board on one 
side and shelves on the other.  It will store and carry pretty much anything 
I want to bring along.  A one ton van is a beast size wise, is sprung like 
a five yard dump, but it has a very civil ride, and is very comfortable.

This vehicle has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine (not Chevy's best effort 
ever).  Starts and runs just fine, but tends to struggle a little bit on 
steep hills.  It used to be even worse, but I've helped myself quite a bit by 
converting to Marine Injectors (thanks to FOTer Mark Craig), and also 
opening up the exhaust system.  The latter made the van sound more like a race car 
than the race car.  At some point I would like to convert to a Marine Pump 
as well.    

I've used a bunch of different tow vehicles (cars, panel, pickups, 
converted vans) down through the years.  All of them had their good and bad points, 
but I really like this big One Ton Cargo Van, and I don't have a ton of 
money tied up in it.

Bill Dentinger

From billb at bnj.com  Thu Jan 28 13:15:43 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:15:43 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <117e0.762f5f39.38934667@aol.com>
References: <117e0.762f5f39.38934667@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C3F36DAC-8948-4AD1-B976-996E4BEE6325@bnj.com>

I'm really fond of my F350 crew cab King Ranch edition and of course Nero, my
airstream toyhauler. I'm going to be selling both this year I think. Diane and
I decided to simplify things to reduce the maintenance load.
http://www.allaluminumtour.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/mall-o-murrica.JPG .
Peyote is being cared for and transported by Tony Garmey (Horizon Racing) and
I'm probably going to get a lightweight open trailer for occasional hauls of
the Ambro.

The F350 has been flawless. the only issue is that Diane hates driving it. It
even gets pretty good mileage--16-17 MPG with no trailer, 14 mpg hauling nero
with a full travel load of Peyote, parts, and all the junk we took on our five
month walkabout. Remarkably comfortable rig.

I suspect we're going to replace it with a Mercedes ML350 Bluetec Diesel
unless some american car manufacturer comes out with something with similar
specs. 7200 pound towing capacity, 25 MPG and Diane likes driving it.

On Jan 28, 2010, at 9:58 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 01/28/2010 1:03:01 PM Central Standard Time,
> riverside at southslope.net writes:
>
>
>> Any body try one of the airport
>> shuttle bus Diesels??
>>
>>
>
> Amici...
>
> For the last four or five years I have been towing a 24' enclosed trailer
> and a race car with a 1995 Chevrolet G30 (One Ton) cargo van.  It's previous
> owner was the National Guard (Texas).  I bought it on ebay in the summer of
> 2004 when it had just over 40,000 miles.  Inside I mounted peg board on one
> side and shelves on the other.  It will store and carry pretty much anything
> I want to bring along.  A one ton van is a beast size wise, is sprung like
> a five yard dump, but it has a very civil ride, and is very comfortable.
>
> This vehicle has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine (not Chevy's best effort
> ever).  Starts and runs just fine, but tends to struggle a little bit on
> steep hills.  It used to be even worse, but I've helped myself quite a bit
by
> converting to Marine Injectors (thanks to FOTer Mark Craig), and also
> opening up the exhaust system.  The latter made the van sound more like a
race car
> than the race car.  At some point I would like to convert to a Marine Pump
> as well.
>
> I've used a bunch of different tow vehicles (cars, panel, pickups,
> converted vans) down through the years.  All of them had their good and bad
points,
> but I really like this big One Ton Cargo Van, and I don't have a ton of
> money tied up in it.
>
> Bill Dentinger
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Thu Jan 28 14:21:45 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:21:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <C3F36DAC-8948-4AD1-B976-996E4BEE6325@bnj.com>
References: <117e0.762f5f39.38934667@aol.com>
	<C3F36DAC-8948-4AD1-B976-996E4BEE6325@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <4B61FFE9.9000502@pobox.com>

I'm a firm believer in diesel technology.  After all, its 
thermodynamically more efficient and now very clean.  Unfortunately, 
only the Europeans have embraced it.  There are now four choices without 
going to a big 3/4 ton or larger pickup -  Mercedes, BMW, Audi and VW.  
I like the BMW engine, but towing appears to be an afterthought.  The 
others have 3.0L V6 engines with about 400 ft-lb of torque.  Of course, 
they are all a bit more expensive than what Tony is after.
Larry

Bill Babcock wrote:
> I suspect we're going to replace it with a Mercedes ML350 Bluetec Diesel
> unless some american car manufacturer comes out with something with similar
> specs. 7200 pound towing capacity, 25 MPG and Diane likes driving it.

From andre at gt6.ca  Thu Jan 28 14:53:44 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:53:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <4B61FFE9.9000502@pobox.com>
References: <117e0.762f5f39.38934667@aol.com>
	<C3F36DAC-8948-4AD1-B976-996E4BEE6325@bnj.com>
	<4B61FFE9.9000502@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <4362ae391001281353r2ed1a237nf80ae27c6cf70b57@mail.gmail.com>

When we brought my Italian Red-Head home this summer we towed with my
Friend's Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 3L diesel.

Awesome vehicle to tow with. It was 4AM and I was racing towards New
York and very comfortable. Quiet ride too.

Would love something like that, but like Bill said too big for my
better half. And $$$$ used they are still well over 20K.

I would love a truck, but can't see myself driving a F150 to work either.

Maybe a Ford Escape. I looked at the VW's, but 40-50K for a diesel
Tourage... Again more then I want to spend specially on the account
that they will rust away over time here.

I'm sure all the pieces will sort themselves out in time.

A.

On 28 January 2010 16:21, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:
> I'm a firm believer in diesel technology.  After all, its thermodynamically
> more efficient and now very clean.  Unfortunately, only the Europeans have
> embraced it.  There are now four choices without going to a big 3/4 ton or
> larger pickup -  Mercedes, BMW, Audi and VW.  I like the BMW engine, but
> towing appears to be an afterthought.  The others have 3.0L V6 engines with
> about 400 ft-lb of torque.  Of course, they are all a bit more expensive
> than what Tony is after.
> Larry
>
> Bill Babcock wrote:
>>
>> I suspect we're going to replace it with a Mercedes ML350 Bluetec Diesel
>> unless some american car manufacturer comes out with something with
>> similar
>> specs. 7200 pound towing capacity, 25 MPG and Diane likes driving it.
>
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From riverside at southslope.net  Thu Jan 28 15:44:32 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:44:32 -0600
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
Message-ID: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Anybody have good or bad experiences with
light weight batteries like braille?

art de armond

From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 28 17:03:10 2010
From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (Chip Collingwood)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:03:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] came across these
Message-ID: <380-2201015290310968@earthlink.net>

came across these today

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544129050&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544130321&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544131306&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT

Chip Collingwood
69 TR6 Eprod
71 2dr 510 Vintage 

From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Jan 28 17:18:30 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:18:30 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <20100128043439.7D1F518765B@autox.team.net>
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B608ED1.3050605@pobox.com>
	<20100128043439.7D1F518765B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000801caa078$986de8e0$c949baa0$@com>

Tony,
Send an e-mail to Ryan. He did a lot of research on what
engine/transmissions work and don't have problems when he bought the diesel
Excursion.  I think he paid about in the ballpark of what you are looking at
for the Excursion when he got it used at a dealer in Minneapolis.  It sure
pulls nice and you could hold a party inside of it!  I'll forward your post
to him.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:34 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Towing

So we had the discussion on using a GT-6 as a tow car (LOVE it).  And 
I've been trying to resist morphing this into the full on annual tow 
vehicle discussion, but I can't help myself.

I have a pretty heavy open trailer with a weight jacker hitch that I 
tow my TR-4 with.  I use a Chevy Astro van loaded to the gills and am 
generally pretty happy with it.  It would be nice to move up about 
one notch in power though.  My current one is getting a bit long in 
the tooth (at least from a miles standpoint) - I just turned over 
166,000 miles.  Of course, I've replace MANY parts throughout my 
tenure with this, some expected, some not expected.  The intake 
manifold gasket replacement sucked the big one but was cheap since I 
did it myself, and the brake booster blowout ended up being almost 
$2500 due to the incompetence of the initial repair (should have been 
$1200 and done).

Anyway, GM quit making these things and I'm toying with what to get 
as a replacement.  It doesn't have to happen right away, I can keep 
this one going probably past 200,000.

What I'm looking for is a USED, CHEAP, GREAT tow vehicle.  I really 
like the van idea because I can put a bunch of stuff in it out of the 
rain and such, it's semi-practical when I'm NOT towing, and I can 
carry PEOPLE with it too.  I can have my big cooler within arms reach 
while on the road.  I'm thinking about a lower mileage Astro from one 
of the last years of manufacture.  I paid $2900 for my Astro a few 
years ago (had a bit over 100,000 on it then), so that gives you an 
idea of how I work.  It was an incredible value in my book.  (The 
money goes in the RACE car.)  So, let's say $7,500 max purchase price.

A pickup with a back seat and a topper may be OK, or a BIG SUV may 
work but seems like it has more to go wrong and is very space inefficient.

I'm interested to hear what you think would work...

Thanks, Tony Drews
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Thu Jan 28 20:37:27 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:37:27 -0800
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
In-Reply-To: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <A80EA41B99294161AD73B37463D1EF6A@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

I'm not familiar with that battery, but I'm using a Miata battery and have
had great luck with it.  Less than $100 but you have to go to a dealer to
find one or get them on-line.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of riverside
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:45 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries


Anybody have good or bad experiences with
light weight batteries like braille?

art de armond
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Jan 28 21:34:17 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:34:17 -0800
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
In-Reply-To: <A80EA41B99294161AD73B37463D1EF6A@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <3B.2D.02041.845626B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> Less than $100 but you have to go to 
> a dealer to
> find one or get them on-line. 

Oddly enough, my friend found one at the local independent auto parts store
just a few weeks ago.  It had been on the shelf for awhile though, so no
idea how long it will last in service.

Randall

From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jan 28 22:15:42 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:15:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
In-Reply-To: <3B.2D.02041.845626B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
References: <A80EA41B99294161AD73B37463D1EF6A@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<3B.2D.02041.845626B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20100129051605.B91B4187869@autox.team.net>

My original 1995 Miata gel cell battery lasted like 13 years (in a 95 
Miata, of course).  I bought a replacement at the Mazda dealer 
because I was so impressed with the longevity.  They went to normal 
lead / acid because of the SHORT life of the sealed gel cell ones - 
the parts guy said that folks usually didn't get more than 3 years 
out of them!  They had a venting kit to keep the fumes out of the 
trunk, so it was good to get the full dealer treatment anyway.

I've got an Optima gel cell in the race car and am extremely happy 
with it, but lightweight is not a term I'd use to describe it.

I did discover that my alternator hadn't worked right for possibly a 
year or two and I never noticed it at the track.  Maybe it charged 
slightly, but once I figured out what was going on I was REALLY 
impressed by the Optima.

- Tony

At 10:34 PM 1/28/2010, Randall wrote:
> > Less than $100 but you have to go to
> > a dealer to
> > find one or get them on-line.
>
>Oddly enough, my friend found one at the local independent auto parts store
>just a few weeks ago.  It had been on the shelf for awhile though, so no
>idea how long it will last in service.
>
>Randall
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Jan 29 00:44:47 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:44:47 +0100
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
In-Reply-To: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>

I use a small Hawker 20AH battery. Cute thing. Does its job very well.

Cheers
Chris

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Auftrag von riverside
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. Januar 2010 23:45
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] light weight batteries

Anybody have good or bad experiences with
light weight batteries like braille?

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From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com  Fri Jan 29 05:40:38 2010
From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:40:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 spring rates
In-Reply-To: <001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>
References: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>
Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98AFDF80793@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>

I am setting up a GT6 for hard racing. It came with 1000# spring rates at the
front. This seems high - I was wondering what others are running.
Thanks
Bill

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Auftrag von riverside
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. Januar 2010 23:45
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Betreff: [Fot] light weight batteries

Anybody have good or bad experiences with
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From jaboruch at netzero.com  Fri Jan 29 06:57:16 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:57:16 GMT
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
Message-ID: <20100129.085716.19219.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com>

I have been using an Odyssey PC680MJT battery.  It is a dry cell, can be
mounted in any position, and is 15 pounds.  I run an alternator with this, but
have seen others use it without an alternator.  Before I used the alternator I
used the PC925MJT and ran just off the battery.  the 925 is about 26 pounds.
Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "riverside" <riverside at southslope.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:44:32 -0600

Anybody have good or bad experiences with
light weight batteries like braille?

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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 08:32:13 2010
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:32:13 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <92A2C649-5E9A-4450-B367-0997050612C9@optonline.net>
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B608ED1.3050605@pobox.com>
	<20100128043439.7D1F518765B@autox.team.net>
	<92A2C649-5E9A-4450-B367-0997050612C9@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <4B62FF7D.6090308@gmail.com>

Todd Redmond wrote:
> 1999 Ford Expedition. 18ft inclosed trailer, car, tools, wife, kids, 
> toys,etc. Haven't check prices lately. I'm sure under 10g. Great all 
> purpose vehicle.

Any idea of what the price would be without the wife and kids?  I don't 
think I'd find those accessories useful.  The truck with the rest of the 
accessories for under $10K sounds good though.

Teriann

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Jan 29 08:48:20 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:48:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
In-Reply-To: <001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>
References: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1001291045130.8281@isis.mit.edu>

On Fri, 29 Jan 2010, MadMarx wrote:

> I use a small Hawker 20AH battery. Cute thing. Does its job very well.

Could you provide a part number?

Is it built up from 12 volt "monoblocks" or is it something different?

I'm thinking about loosing some weight on the car this year (like 40 - 60 
pounds) and the battery looks like an easy win.

:-)

> Cheers
> Chris

regards,
rml
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Fri Jan 29 09:17:05 2010
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:17:05 -0800
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1001291045130.8281@isis.mit.edu>
References: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>,
	<001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>,
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1001291045130.8281@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W212FF6509F879E75FD8C0FB25B0@phx.gbl>

Loosing weight on a TR4:

I also use the odyssay 620 in 90% of the cars that I build. Avg. life span is
3-4 years.

I have made Cast/ heat treated Alloy to T6 Brake caliper mounts. Saves 1.5 lbs
and also I have made c/moly tubular sway bars. 4.5lbs less than the solid
7/8's bar. Can do 3/4 also. Bars are also h/treated.

PM if interested.



Thx

Tony

> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:48:20 -0500
> From: lang at isis.mit.edu
> To: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] light weight batteries
>
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010, MadMarx wrote:
>
> > I use a small Hawker 20AH battery. Cute thing. Does its job very well.
>
> Could you provide a part number?
>
> Is it built up from 12 volt "monoblocks" or is it something different?
>
> I'm thinking about loosing some weight on the car this year (like 40 - 60
> pounds) and the battery looks like an easy win.
>
> :-)
>
> > Cheers
> > Chris
>
> regards,
> rml
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Jan 29 09:26:19 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:26:19 +0100
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1001291045130.8281@isis.mit.edu>
References: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1001291045130.8281@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <005a01caa0ff$cb253b80$616fb280$@com>

It is a Hawker Odyssey PC 680 20 Ah 12V

To lose some weight.....I always start with my body weight.....and it makes
life cheaper ;-)

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Robert M. Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu]
Gesendet: Freitag, 29. Januar 2010 16:48
An: MadMarx
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] light weight batteries

On Fri, 29 Jan 2010, MadMarx wrote:

> I use a small Hawker 20AH battery. Cute thing. Does its job very well.

Could you provide a part number?

Is it built up from 12 volt "monoblocks" or is it something different?

I'm thinking about loosing some weight on the car this year (like 40 - 60
pounds) and the battery looks like an easy win.

:-)

> Cheers
> Chris

regards,
rml
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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Jan 29 10:13:09 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:13:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
In-Reply-To: <BLU136-W212FF6509F879E75FD8C0FB25B0@phx.gbl>
References: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>,
	<001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>,
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1001291045130.8281@isis.mit.edu>
	<BLU136-W212FF6509F879E75FD8C0FB25B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <571A1E481FE34DDFBCE9712DC7DC7063@joepentiumnew>

When I was autocrossing Tiny Tim, I used the battery out of one of those
portable starter units.  The battery was about 3" by 7" by about 5" high and
extremely light.  I always carried a full size battery and cables in case it
ran out of juice but never had to use it.  My main concern was initial
startup, but apparently the battery held enough charge for several starts.

A full charge before the event was enough to last the whole day.

Joe C. 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony and Annie Garmey
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:17 AM
To: lang at isis.mit.edu; tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] light weight batteries

Loosing weight on a TR4:

I also use the odyssay 620 in 90% of the cars that I build. Avg. life span
is
3-4 years.

I have made Cast/ heat treated Alloy to T6 Brake caliper mounts. Saves 1.5
lbs
and also I have made c/moly tubular sway bars. 4.5lbs less than the solid
7/8's bar. Can do 3/4 also. Bars are also h/treated.

PM if interested.



Thx

Tony

> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:48:20 -0500
> From: lang at isis.mit.edu
> To: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] light weight batteries
>
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010, MadMarx wrote:
>
> > I use a small Hawker 20AH battery. Cute thing. Does its job very well.
>
> Could you provide a part number?
>
> Is it built up from 12 volt "monoblocks" or is it something different?
>
> I'm thinking about loosing some weight on the car this year (like 40 - 60
> pounds) and the battery looks like an easy win.
>
> :-)
>
> > Cheers
> > Chris
>
> regards,
> rml
>
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 11:58:20 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:58:20 -0800
Subject: [Fot] came across these
In-Reply-To: <380-2201015290310968@earthlink.net>
References: <380-2201015290310968@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <65f1eaba1001291058s43a5dfaaqc947d7c84e700cf8@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Amici:

Tim's email got me thinking. I have 6 extra American Racing libre wheels in
15 x 5.5 (I think the width is right but they still have tires on them).
Contact me off list if you want pictures since they are varied in condition
although they range from good to very good. Anybody want them?

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Chip Collingwood
<tr6racer21 at earthlink.net>wrote:

> came across these today
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544129050&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544130321&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544131306&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>
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> 71 2dr 510 Vintage
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 29 12:11:25 2010
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:11:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Master Switch Decal
Message-ID: <286642.47942.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI - anyone out there have access to a 'Vintage' looking Off decal/sticker for the master switch.
.....a picture of one might even help.
Thanks
Dennis

From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Fri Jan 29 12:31:40 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:31:40 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Master Switch Decal
In-Reply-To: <286642.47942.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <286642.47942.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000501caa119$af007ea0$0d017be0$@com>

I got one from Pegasus.  Don't know how vintage looking it is but it's sort
of the standard red lightning bolt type.  I recall that some part supplier
was offering them free with a purchase or just on request, sorry can't
remember who. OFD, CRS!

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Dennis DeLap
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 1:11 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Master Switch Decal

AMICI - anyone out there have access to a 'Vintage' looking Off
decal/sticker for the master switch.
.....a picture of one might even help.
Thanks
Dennis
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From riverside at southslope.net  Fri Jan 29 12:40:43 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:40:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
References: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>,
	<001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>,
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1001291045130.8281@isis.mit.edu><BLU136-W212FF6509F879E75FD8C0FB25B0@phx.gbl>
	<571A1E481FE34DDFBCE9712DC7DC7063@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <001e01caa11a$f23a0230$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Thanks for all the replies.

art d
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] light weight batteries


> When I was autocrossing Tiny Tim, I used the battery out of one of those
> portable starter units.  The battery was about 3" by 7" by about 5" high 
> and
> extremely light.  I always carried a full size battery and cables in case 
> it
> ran out of juice but never had to use it.  My main concern was initial
> startup, but apparently the battery held enough charge for several starts.
>
> A full charge before the event was enough to last the whole day.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Tony and Annie Garmey
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:17 AM
> To: lang at isis.mit.edu; tr4racing at googlemail.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] light weight batteries
>
> Loosing weight on a TR4:
>
> I also use the odyssay 620 in 90% of the cars that I build. Avg. life span
> is
> 3-4 years.
>
> I have made Cast/ heat treated Alloy to T6 Brake caliper mounts. Saves 1.5
> lbs
> and also I have made c/moly tubular sway bars. 4.5lbs less than the solid
> 7/8's bar. Can do 3/4 also. Bars are also h/treated.
>
> PM if interested.
>
>
>
> Thx
>
> Tony
>
>> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:48:20 -0500
>> From: lang at isis.mit.edu
>> To: tr4racing at googlemail.com
>> CC: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] light weight batteries
>>
>> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010, MadMarx wrote:
>>
>> > I use a small Hawker 20AH battery. Cute thing. Does its job very well.
>>
>> Could you provide a part number?
>>
>> Is it built up from 12 volt "monoblocks" or is it something different?
>>
>> I'm thinking about loosing some weight on the car this year (like 40 - 60
>> pounds) and the battery looks like an easy win.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> > Cheers
>> > Chris
>>
>> regards,
>> rml
>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> 2009 NER Solo Chair |
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>>
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 12:46:12 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:46:12 -0800
Subject: [Fot] came across these
In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba1001291058s43a5dfaaqc947d7c84e700cf8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <380-2201015290310968@earthlink.net>
	<65f1eaba1001291058s43a5dfaaqc947d7c84e700cf8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65f1eaba1001291146k48157b31h1c5d4221f60a6ad9@mail.gmail.com>

Just found out. They're 6 inch Lemans Wheels.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:58 AM, John Nikas
<capecoventryracing at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Amici:
>
> Tim's email got me thinking. I have 6 extra American Racing libre wheels in
> 15 x 5.5 (I think the width is right but they still have tires on them).
> Contact me off list if you want pictures since they are varied in condition
> although they range from good to very good. Anybody want them?
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Chip Collingwood <
> tr6racer21 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> came across these today
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544129050&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544130321&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544131306&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>>
>> Chip Collingwood
>> 69 TR6 Eprod
>> 71 2dr 510 Vintage
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> --
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>
> John Nikas
> Cape Coventry Racing
> www.capecoventryracing.com
> (949) 375-6306
>



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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Fri Jan 29 12:47:29 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:47:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] came across these
In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba1001291146k48157b31h1c5d4221f60a6ad9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <380-2201015290310968@earthlink.net>
	<65f1eaba1001291058s43a5dfaaqc947d7c84e700cf8@mail.gmail.com>
	<65f1eaba1001291146k48157b31h1c5d4221f60a6ad9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0803335F3B@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Can you send me a picture? I have four 6" Libres.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of John Nikas
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 1:46 PM
To: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] came across these

Just found out. They're 6 inch Lemans Wheels.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:58 AM, John Nikas
<capecoventryracing at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Amici:
>
> Tim's email got me thinking. I have 6 extra American Racing libre wheels in
> 15 x 5.5 (I think the width is right but they still have tires on them).
> Contact me off list if you want pictures since they are varied in condition
> although they range from good to very good. Anybody want them?
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Chip Collingwood <
> tr6racer21 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> came across these today
>>
>>
>>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544129050&vi
ewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>>
>>
>>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544130321&vi
ewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>>
>>
>>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544131306&vi
ewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>>
>> Chip Collingwood
>> 69 TR6 Eprod
>> 71 2dr 510 Vintage
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From jeff_durant at comcast.net  Fri Jan 29 13:15:13 2010
From: jeff_durant at comcast.net (jeff_durant at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:15:13 +0000
Subject: [Fot] came across these
In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba1001291058s43a5dfaaqc947d7c84e700cf8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <380-2201015290310968@earthlink.net><65f1eaba1001291058s43a5dfaaqc947d7c84e700cf8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <202158601-1264796043-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1705456802-@bda059.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

John,
Can you send me some pictures?
Thanks,
Jeff D.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: John Nikas <capecoventryracing at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:58:20 
To: <tr6racer21 at earthlink.net>
Cc: Friends of Triumph<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] came across these

Dear Amici:

Tim's email got me thinking. I have 6 extra American Racing libre wheels in
15 x 5.5 (I think the width is right but they still have tires on them).
Contact me off list if you want pictures since they are varied in condition
although they range from good to very good. Anybody want them?

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Chip Collingwood
<tr6racer21 at earthlink.net>wrote:

> came across these today
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544129050&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544130321&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544131306&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>
> Chip Collingwood
> 69 TR6 Eprod
> 71 2dr 510 Vintage
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Fri Jan 29 13:26:55 2010
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:26:55 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Good Article
Message-ID: <000001caa121$67f78d70$37e6a850$@racer@comcast.net>

If you're not a subscriber to the UK magazine MOTORSPORT, you might want to
beat a path to your favorite magazine shop and pick up a copy of the most
recent issue, January 2010.  Nice three page article on the TR2/3 with an
emphasis on its racing history.  Also a short column by a fellow who rallied
one.  Sidebar about a one owner, frame up restoration of a 1958 TR3A ex-
U.S. car.  Owner spent in excess of $57, 500 on the resto and is asking
$41,600 but that does include numerous upgrades for fast road/rallying use!!

 

Gary  

From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Jan 29 13:37:58 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:37:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Master Switch Decal
In-Reply-To: <286642.47942.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <286642.47942.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0B486977561B4EA68FBEC57B28CD697B@joepentiumnew>

Send me an image and I can produce a decal.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Dennis DeLap
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 12:11 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Master Switch Decal

AMICI - anyone out there have access to a 'Vintage' looking Off
decal/sticker for the master switch.
.....a picture of one might even help.
Thanks
Dennis
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From rikrock at aol.com  Sat Jan 30 05:34:07 2010
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:34:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com>
References: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com>

 On that day I decided
that MASS was an important issue when selecting a tow vehicle.

Bill Dentinger
____________________

I know a guy who used to tow his Renault R8 on a single axle (with brakes on a
good day) trailer with a Renault Fuego.  Did it for years without incident,
but....YIKES!!!

Rich Rock

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Jan 30 05:38:08 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:38:08 +0100
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com>
References: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com>
	<8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>

I use a simple petrol injected BMW X3 for towing. 200 HP doing well enough.

Chris

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Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von rikrock at aol.com
Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Januar 2010 13:34
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?

 On that day I decided
that MASS was an important issue when selecting a tow vehicle.

Bill Dentinger
____________________

I know a guy who used to tow his Renault R8 on a single axle (with brakes on
a
good day) trailer with a Renault Fuego.  Did it for years without incident,
but....YIKES!!!

Rich Rock
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From andre at gt6.ca  Sat Jan 30 05:41:24 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:41:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>
References: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com>
	<8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com>
	<001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>
Message-ID: <4362ae391001300441t77f13283h4bc417126653e72d@mail.gmail.com>

I like that idea.

A.

On 30 January 2010 07:38, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:
> I use a simple petrol injected BMW X3 for towing. 200 HP doing well enough.
>
> Chris

From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sat Jan 30 07:53:29 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:53:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>
References: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com><8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com>
	<001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>
Message-ID: <AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>

An X3 is good for 3748 pounds according to the guides

http://www.trailerlife.com/images/elements/883783_Towing_Guide.pdf

That is about the same as my Dodge Caravan 3800 pounds.

You still need a light weight trailer to tow a car that weighs about 2000
pounds plus spares, tools etc.

Paul



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: January 30, 2010 7:38 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?

I use a simple petrol injected BMW X3 for towing. 200 HP doing well enough.

Chris

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Jan 30 08:07:41 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:07:41 +0100
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com><8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com>
	<001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>
	<AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <002501caa1bd$fa25c2b0$ee714810$@com>

My papers say I can tow 1800 kg.
The cars weight is 1000 kg
The trailer 650 kg
So I can carry 150 kg spares around in the trailer and some spares and
equipment in the tow car.

Enough for me.


Cheers
Chris (who is fond of the French Autobahn because you can tow there at 85
mph)

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com]
Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Januar 2010 15:53
An: 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: RE: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?

An X3 is good for 3748 pounds according to the guides

http://www.trailerlife.com/images/elements/883783_Towing_Guide.pdf

That is about the same as my Dodge Caravan 3800 pounds.

You still need a light weight trailer to tow a car that weighs about 2000
pounds plus spares, tools etc.

Paul



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: January 30, 2010 7:38 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?

I use a simple petrol injected BMW X3 for towing. 200 HP doing well enough.

Chris

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 08:13:40 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:13:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow? Now a new
 trailer.......
In-Reply-To: <AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com><8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com><001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>
	<AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <8CC6FD5F0895576-2CF8-E1A9@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com>

This might be a good time to mention that work continues on a single axle
trailer design incorporating a 3500# axle with a light weight frame, built
strong.

The first design is complete and 'in production'.  Deluxe Version seen in
photobucket.com/ambro                 page 2/3

$1875  base price   Under $3000 nicely optioned   What color do you want?

The happiest towing I ever had was with a single axle purpose built TR4
Trailer.  The very best of it was a trailer with NO springs.....letting the
car suspension absorb the bumps. Low, narrow, hand manueverable, garageable,
this trailer is still in use after passing through several hands over a 20
year period.

Joe A






-----Original Message-----
From: Paul MacDonald <macdonaldp at rogers.com>
To: 'MadMarx' <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:53 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


An X3 is good for 3748 pounds according to the guides
http://www.trailerlife.com/images/elements/883783_Towing_Guide.pdf
That is about the same as my Dodge Caravan 3800 pounds.
You still need a light weight trailer to tow a car that weighs about 2000
ounds plus spares, tools etc.
Paul

-----Original Message-----
rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
ehalf Of MadMarx
ent: January 30, 2010 7:38 AM
o: fot at autox.team.net
ubject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
I use a simple petrol injected BMW X3 for towing. 200 HP doing well enough.
Chris
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 08:20:38 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:20:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Thanks-TR4 ROLLER
In-Reply-To: <AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com><8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com><001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>
	<AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <8CC6FD6E9AA9DD6-2CF8-E2F4@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com>

Thanks for all of the interest on the TR4 ROLLER.

This roller is staying in the FOT Family.

Joe A

From cartravel at pobox.com  Sat Jan 30 08:50:31 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:50:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com><8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com>
	<001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>
	<AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <4B645547.10708@pobox.com>

I've always wondered how these weight limits are determined - by the 
engineering or marketing department?  I generally use a substantial 
safety factor.  With my enclosed trailer I'm towing about 5,000 lbs, so 
I look for a tow rating of 7,000 to 8,000.
Larry

Paul MacDonald wrote:
> An X3 is good for 3748 pounds according to the guides
>
> http://www.trailerlife.com/images/elements/883783_Towing_Guide.pdf
>
> That is about the same as my Dodge Caravan 3800 pounds.
>
> You still need a light weight trailer to tow a car that weighs about 2000
> pounds plus spares, tools etc.
>
> Paul

From BillDentin at aol.com  Sat Jan 30 09:03:34 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:03:34 EST
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
Message-ID: <4d26.523b7953.3895b256@aol.com>

In a message dated 01/30/2010 9:50:47 AM Central Standard Time, 
cartravel at pobox.com writes:


> I've always wondered how these weight limits are determined - by the 
> engineering or marketing department?  I generally use a substantial 
> safety factor.  With my enclosed trailer I'm towing about 5,000 lbs, so 
> I look for a tow rating of 7,000 to 8,000.
> 

I am pretty sure that the those gross vehicle weights and trailer towing 
capacities have to include everything the car is 'carrying' ...driver, 
passengers, luggage, tools, trailer, race car.  You start checking, and you'll find 
that you use up those limits in a hurry.  But I also agree that their PYA 
syndrome has them use an ample safety factor.  My shop is located very close 
to a local stone quarry and they have a huge scale they use for measuring 
truck loads of stone.  Being in the masonry business all those years, I had 
access to that scale and used to weigh my tow vehicle and trailer both empty 
and loaded.  The first time I did that, I was shocked to see how much 'stuff' 
I was carrying weighed.

Bill Dentinger


Bill Dentinger

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 10:20:14 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:20:14 EST
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
Message-ID: <7441.6a0604a5.3895c44e@cs.com>

Low tech answer:  Generally speaking the final product weight limits are 
established by the weakest component rating installed from the supplier.

Tire ratings
axle ratings
transmission ratings
spring ratings

The motorhome industry plays some silly games with these ratings, but I 
think most everyone else is pretty conservative.

Joe A


> I've always wondered how these weight limits are determined - by the 
> engineering or marketing department?  I generally use a substantial 
> safety factor.  With my enclosed trailer I'm towing about 5,000 lbs, so 
> I look for a tow rating of 7,000 to 8,000.
> Larry
> 

</HTML>

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 10:23:21 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:23:21 EST
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
Message-ID: <75c4.6a6f91c5.3895c509@cs.com>

There is a series of ratings, too.

GAWR      axle rating
GVWR      vehicle rating
GCWR      combined rating   usually associated with towing.

Joe A


> I am pretty sure that the those gross vehicle weights and trailer towing 
> capacities have to include everything the car is 'carrying' ...driver, 
> passengers, luggage, tools, trailer, race car.  You start checking, and 
> you'll find 
> that you use up those limits in a hurry.  But I also agree that their PYA 
> syndrome has them use an ample safety factor.  My shop is located very 
> close 
> to a local stone quarry and they have a huge scale they use for measuring 
> truck loads of stone.  Being in the masonry business all those years, I 
> had 
> access to that scale and used to weigh my tow vehicle and trailer both 
> empty 
> and loaded.  The first time I did that, I was shocked to see how much 
> 'stuff' 
> I was carrying weighed.
> 
> Bill Dentinger
> 

</HTML>

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 12:24:17 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:24:17 EST
Subject: [Fot] CLASSIC MOTORSPORTS.....does it again.
Message-ID: <ab1d.6dbb125e.3895e161@cs.com>

The new issue is outstanding.....

Of course I am biased.  It is the non-official FOT magazine.

I used to read Road & Track and Car & Driver when I read about the cars I 
could afford.  Or at least thought were in my reach. I cant touch most of 
what they feature now.

And Classic Motorsports reaches backwards in time and features the cars I 
owned and loved (or sometimes hated.   Like this issue....The Volvo 1800S and 
the Corvair Spyder Convertible.  I had both of those cars and have fond 
memories of them.

AND FINALLY, if you look toward the back pages you will find the TEAM of 
Hopkins & Hughes winning the Targa Newfoundland for the THIRD year in a row. 

If you look real close you will see the Uncle Jack Memorial Decal on the 
back passenger side window for the second year. While in Newfoundland (2008) 
we met them and after a short conversation they graciously applied the decal 
prior to their second winning effort.

Thanks Classic Motorsports....and Hopkins & Hughes</HTML>

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 12:48:05 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:48:05 EST
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Vintage Racing - Kastner Cup - Event Shirts
Message-ID: <b4ed.243715e.3895e6f5@cs.com>

FOT,

Something to be thinking about.......EVENT SHIRTS!

The 'august' organizers of this event are going to meet about having an 
event shirt in February.

They will incorporate the FOT Logo into the design, IF they have one. 
However, the FOT logo will be competing for space. Depending the design, the FOT 
logo might not be very prominent.

If there is any interest in producing our own event shirt, it should be 
studied right now.  If so, someone will need to take a leadership role in 
exploring the feasibility and advisability of doing so.  

If HVR does not initiate ANY event shirt, the argument is stronger for 
doing so.

Just a heads up on this if anyone feels strongly about it. This is a big 
job.

Regards,

Joe A</HTML>

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 13:57:27 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:57:27 EST
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Vintage Racing - Kastner Cup - Event Shirts
Message-ID: <d21a.69954edd.3895f737@cs.com>

FOT,

Bill Brinke indicates that he has a meeting with O'Reilley on the date 
below. 

Stand by on this information, but if anyone has any strong feelings about 
having an exclusive shirt for the FOT, please speak up.

Regards,

Joe A


> Joe, I have a meeting scheduled with Tom at O'Reilly on February 3.  We 
> will discuss T-Shirts at that time.  Will let you know what he says.
> Bill
> 

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discuss T-Shirts at that time.  Will let you know what he says.
Bill
  ----- Original Message -----
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  Subject: Heartland Vintage Racing - Kastner Cup - Event Shirts


  FOT,

  Something to be thinking about.......EVENT SHIRTS!

  The 'august' organizers of this event are going to meet about having an
  event shirt in February.

  They will incorporate the FOT Logo into the design, IF they have one.
  However, the FOT logo will be competing for space. Depending the design, the
FOT
  logo might not be very prominent.

  If there is any interest in producing our own event shirt, it should be
  studied right now.  If so, someone will need to take a leadership role in
  exploring the feasibility and advisability of doing so.

  If HVR does not initiate ANY event shirt, the argument is stronger for
  doing so.

  Just a heads up on this if anyone feels strongly about it. This is a big
  job.

  Regards,

  Joe A</HTML>


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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Sat Jan 30 18:08:16 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:08:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4d26.523b7953.3895b256@aol.com>
References: <4d26.523b7953.3895b256@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000c01caa211$df589a30$9e09ce90$@com>

Good point, Bill.  I was thinking at stopping at one of the local quarries
and weighing the trailer and Excursion.  You've pretty well convinced me not
to do that:)  Sort of like the current military, don't ask, don't tell!

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:04 AM
To: cartravel at pobox.com; macdonaldp at rogers.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?

In a message dated 01/30/2010 9:50:47 AM Central Standard Time, 
cartravel at pobox.com writes:


> I've always wondered how these weight limits are determined - by the 
> engineering or marketing department?  I generally use a substantial 
> safety factor.  With my enclosed trailer I'm towing about 5,000 lbs, so 
> I look for a tow rating of 7,000 to 8,000.
> 

I am pretty sure that the those gross vehicle weights and trailer towing 
capacities have to include everything the car is 'carrying' ...driver, 
passengers, luggage, tools, trailer, race car.  You start checking, and
you'll find 
that you use up those limits in a hurry.  But I also agree that their PYA 
syndrome has them use an ample safety factor.  My shop is located very close

to a local stone quarry and they have a huge scale they use for measuring 
truck loads of stone.  Being in the masonry business all those years, I had 
access to that scale and used to weigh my tow vehicle and trailer both empty

and loaded.  The first time I did that, I was shocked to see how much
'stuff' 
I was carrying weighed.

Bill Dentinger


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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 18:45:31 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:45:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park Vintage Grand Prix - Bill Ames Memorial Award
Message-ID: <8CC702E34E7364B-100-1FE3@webmail-d039.sysops.aol.com>

FOT and Other Friends:

Please note that the Bill AMES MEMORIAL plaque will be awarded at HEARTLAND
PARK in August.

The last recipient was Larry Young and he will be on hand to present it.

I wonder if someone would be willing to contact the other owners of Ambro
cars.....................................????

Of course we expect the Peyote. I suspect the original AMBRO will not be
available.
There is an AMBRO in Omaha and I will contact that guy.
I expect Bill Bonadio to come with his Dio/Ambro.
I know the original builder/owner of the HUSTLER and will invite him.
The current owner of the HUSTLER is in California, but I have no contact with
him.
I will also invite Bill's son, Robert Ames, who was driving a Porsche the last
I knew.
Can someone contact the PEERLESS/AMBRO guy in California and Stadel on the
east cost?
I think Tivvy Shenton's son was working on one... I could be wrong on that.
I hope that Moss Motor's KELVIN DODD, (AMBRO  ARE-002) will join us even
though his MGA based AMBRO will not be done.
We expect ROB DEANES, (AMBRO  ARE-003)   but he will likely bring a TR4.

We could call this the FIRST ANNUAL AMBRO REUNION, if there is enough
interest.

Who am I missing?

Joe A

From Herald948 at aol.com  Sat Jan 30 19:40:57 2010
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:40:57 EST
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
Message-ID: <12fbf.69919ef4.389647b9@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/30/2010 12:20:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
N197TR4 at cs.com writes:

Low tech  answer:  Generally speaking the final product weight limits are  
established by the weakest component rating installed from the  supplier.

Tire ratings
axle ratings
transmission  ratings
spring ratings
==AM==
I guess most modern manufacturers now consider the clutch of a manual  
transmission to be one of those "weakest components"! I'd special-ordered my  
1991 Ford Explorer with full towing package AND five-speed manual, which 
dropped  the max. recommended towing weight by something like 700 lbs. That never 
 bothered me, since I was towing mostly Triumphs (ok, there was that one 
Peugeot  wagon....). The clutch and gearbox never gave me any trouble in over 
200k I put  on the beast, and I only had to replace one propeller shaft 
u-joint.
 
There were plenty of other bits that I had to replace, and I long wished  
I'd gone for the manual transfer case and manual front hubs, but the 
then-wife  didn't like the idea of getting out in mud and snow to lock the front 
hubs. (I  found I didn't like the idea of replacing the automatic front hubs at 
$300 or so  each!)
 
To its credit, though, that little V-6 Explorer towed beautifully at  
highway speeds (and, uh, then some), and it suffered almost no loss in fuel  
economy doing so (about 19.5 mpg average towing, and about 20.5 mpg average  
without trailer).
 
Sometimes I still miss that old beast.... ;-)  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

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Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

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Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 19:47:52 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:47:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <12fbf.69919ef4.389647b9@aol.com>
References: <12fbf.69919ef4.389647b9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC7036EAE57210-100-2993@webmail-d039.sysops.aol.com>

I've seen,  "Not recommended for towing with manual transmission" or a derated
towing capacity and assumed it was because of the clutch.

I think you are correct.





-----Original Message-----
From: Herald948 at aol.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


In a message dated 1/30/2010 12:20:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
197TR4 at cs.com writes:
Low tech  answer:  Generally speaking the final product weight limits are
stablished by the weakest component rating installed from the  supplier.
Tire ratings
xle ratings
ransmission  ratings
pring ratings
=AM==
 guess most modern manufacturers now consider the clutch of a manual
ransmission to be one of those "weakest components"! I'd special-ordered my
991 Ford Explorer with full towing package AND five-speed manual, which
ropped  the max. recommended towing weight by something like 700 lbs. That
ever
bothered me, since I was towing mostly Triumphs (ok, there was that one
eugeot  wagon....). The clutch and gearbox never gave me any trouble in over
00k I put  on the beast, and I only had to replace one propeller shaft
-joint.

here were plenty of other bits that I had to replace, and I long wished
'd gone for the manual transfer case and manual front hubs, but the
hen-wife  didn't like the idea of getting out in mud and snow to lock the
front
hubs. (I  found I didn't like the idea of replacing the automatic front hubs
at
300 or so  each!)

o its credit, though, that little V-6 Explorer towed beautifully at
ighway speeds (and, uh, then some), and it suffered almost no loss in fuel
conomy doing so (about 19.5 mpg average towing, and about 20.5 mpg average
ithout trailer).

ometimes I still miss that old beast.... ;-)
--Andy  Mace
*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
erald engine with wings.
-  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)
Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
egister: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/)
Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph
erald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/)
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Sat Jan 30 20:18:17 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:18:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] decal - kill switch
Message-ID: <8CC703B2A7A1F7C-57C0-13484@webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com>

 Curious -

When was it required for kill switches and the decal to identify its operation
to be installed on race vehicles.  I realize every sanctioning body would of
incorporated this safety item at different dates in time.  But, I have to ask
since it was brought up about a " Vintage On/Off Sticker " for our Triumphs.
Looking through the limited books I have I do not see any on cars up through
the mid to late sixties.

I have come across pics of 2 types of stickers.  One is the most common which
is a tall rectangular label with a long blue triangle that has a red
lightening bolt in its center, both pointing down to the word OFF on the
bottom of the sticker.  This seems to be available from many suppliers
including the SCCA.  The other sticker is a larger blue symmetrical triangle
with a red lightening bolt in the center, there is no text on it.  This one
takes a bit of searching to locate, but has been found at a couple site in
Britain.

I am also curious as to what the first label(s) looked like.




Curious,
Bob T

From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sat Jan 30 21:44:33 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:44:33 -0800
Subject: [Fot] decal - kill switch
In-Reply-To: <8CC703B2A7A1F7C-57C0-13484@webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC703B2A7A1F7C-57C0-13484@webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B650AB1.3020001@greenheart.com>

What a little Googling uncovered.... --Justin

http://www.rallylights.com/images/DSCN0707.JPG
http://www.rallylights.com/detail.aspx?ID=3541

http://www.performance-oils.co.uk/acatalog/FIABatteryMasterSwitch.jpg
http://www.performance-oils.co.uk/acatalog/Motorsport_Products.html


http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/Images/M/3356.JPG
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=1011


http://www.timskelton.com/lightning/race_prep/weight/battery_relocate.htm

From horizonracing at msn.com  Sat Jan 30 21:52:16 2010
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:52:16 -0800
Subject: [Fot] decal - kill switch
In-Reply-To: <8CC703B2A7A1F7C-57C0-13484@webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC703B2A7A1F7C-57C0-13484@webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W137A3FC729BF374443D368B2590@phx.gbl>

Safety sticker !

On a Devin SS that I restored (completed about 1 1/2 ago) it has about 30k in
paint on it........so no cheap stickers on this car. Along with the Hand
painted numbers, I had the Sign writer put on a Small but visible "lightning
bolt" next to the battery switch  that is on the dash.

Clean,simple and classy .

Cheers

Tony

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From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Jan 30 21:57:53 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:57:53 -0800
Subject: [Fot] decal - kill switch
References: <8CC703B2A7A1F7C-57C0-13484@webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com>
	<BLU136-W137A3FC729BF374443D368B2590@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A979E29C55A247988EB8AE535BFFC79C@Bud>

Yep!..you got it!...That's Period Correct..That's how we did it....It was up 
to us to make a sign clear to the
Safety workers......Write it on the side of the Car...That's the real 
Stuff....RB
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <robertten1 at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] decal - kill switch


> Safety sticker !
>
> On a Devin SS that I restored (completed about 1 1/2 ago) it has about 30k 
> in
> paint on it........so no cheap stickers on this car. Along with the Hand
> painted numbers, I had the Sign writer put on a Small but visible 
> "lightning
> bolt" next to the battery switch  that is on the dash.
>
> Clean,simple and classy .
>
> Cheers
>
> Tony
>
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From brinke at cebridge.net  Sat Jan 30 13:35:07 2010
From: brinke at cebridge.net (Bill Rinke)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:35:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Vintage Racing - Kastner Cup - Event Shirts
References: <b4ed.243715e.3895e6f5@cs.com>
Message-ID: <8A0B4F54EA894D5CB73F19E3E44384AE@main>

Joe, I have a meeting scheduled with Tom at O'Reilly on February 3.  We will
discuss T-Shirts at that time.  Will let you know what he says.
Bill
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: N197TR4 at cs.com
  To: fot at autox.team.net
  Cc: brinke at cebridge.net
  Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 1:48 PM
  Subject: Heartland Vintage Racing - Kastner Cup - Event Shirts


  FOT,

  Something to be thinking about.......EVENT SHIRTS!

  The 'august' organizers of this event are going to meet about having an
  event shirt in February.

  They will incorporate the FOT Logo into the design, IF they have one.
  However, the FOT logo will be competing for space. Depending the design, the
FOT
  logo might not be very prominent.

  If there is any interest in producing our own event shirt, it should be
  studied right now.  If so, someone will need to take a leadership role in
  exploring the feasibility and advisability of doing so.

  If HVR does not initiate ANY event shirt, the argument is stronger for
  doing so.

  Just a heads up on this if anyone feels strongly about it. This is a big
  job.

  Regards,

  Joe A</HTML>


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From LimeyV8 at aol.com  Sun Jan 31 08:28:07 2010
From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:28:07 EST
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
Message-ID: <4697.5ce20e36.3896fb87@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/30/2010 9:41:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
Herald948 at aol.com writes:

To its  credit, though, that little V-6 Explorer towed beautifully at   
highway speeds (and, uh, then some), and it suffered almost no loss in  
fuel  
economy doing so (about 19.5 mpg average towing, and about 20.5  mpg 
average  
without trailer).

Sometimes I still miss that old  beast.... ;-)  
 
 
 
It looked pretty good with a GT6 bonnet tied on the roof   too.
 
Cheers,
Jack Mc

From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Jan 31 09:18:09 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:18:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 1147 with gearbox available
Message-ID: <1C61530E6B3B457B92F91164780871C2@joepentiumnew>

If anyone is looking for a spare engine and tranny for an early Spit to
build, there is a guy in San Francisco who has one he has been trying to get
rid of for some time.  

If anyone is interested shoot me an email and I will give you his contact
information.

No Financial interest.

Joe

From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 09:42:43 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:42:43 -0800
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <7441.6a0604a5.3895c44e@cs.com>
Message-ID: <842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

My motorhome (along with most current gasoline engined motorhomes) is only
rated to tow 5,000 lbs.  After looking everything over, I think that's based
strictly on the length of the rear overhang and the relatively Mickey Mouse
way the hitch is attached.  I've got a friend that races a Shelby GT350 with
the same MH as I've got.  His trailer weighs close to 9,000 lb loaded and
he's had no issues whatsoever with towing.  I feel totally comfortable even
though my loaded trailer is aroond 1000 lbs or so over the tow rating.  I do
keep the speeds down and I drop the rig out of overdrive at the slightest
hill.

Jim Norlin

____________________________________________


Low tech answer:  Generally speaking the final product weight limits are
established by the weakest component rating installed from the supplier.

Tire ratings
axle ratings
transmission ratings
spring ratings

The motorhome industry plays some silly games with these ratings, but I
think most everyone else is pretty conservative.

Joe A

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Jan 31 10:27:57 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:27:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <8CC70B1DD5F6516-1C50-29B9B@webmail-m063.sysops.aol.com>

MOTORHOME manufacturers are more concerned with color schemes and floor plans.
Overhangs can be scary as you point out

Frequently on GCWR it comes down to the transmission.  When we produced a
motorhome chassis, Ford Power Products removed the parking pawl and limited
the GCWR.

We developed a hydraulically actuated brake in front of the driveshaft behind
the tailshaft to overcome the lack of parking pawl on the C-6 Transmission,
but there really wasnt any way to overcome the limited GCWR.  I think the
limit was 5000# or not more than 7500#.

We were producing 10,000 chassis a year when the business was sold to OSHKOSH
TRUCK. It lives on as FREIGHTLINER.......






-----Original Message-----
From: Norlin Engineering <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: N197TR4 at cs.com; cartravel at pobox.com; macdonaldp at rogers.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:42 am
Subject: RE: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


My motorhome (along with most current gasoline engined motorhomes) is only
ated to tow 5,000 lbs.  After looking everything over, I think that's based
trictly on the length of the rear overhang and the relatively Mickey Mouse
ay the hitch is attached.  I've got a friend that races a Shelby GT350 with
he same MH as I've got.  His trailer weighs close to 9,000 lb loaded and
e's had no issues whatsoever with towing.  I feel totally comfortable even
hough my loaded trailer is aroond 1000 lbs or so over the tow rating.  I do
eep the speeds down and I drop the rig out of overdrive at the slightest
ill.
Jim Norlin
____________________________________________

ow tech answer:  Generally speaking the final product weight limits are
stablished by the weakest component rating installed from the supplier.
Tire ratings
xle ratings
ransmission ratings
pring ratings
The motorhome industry plays some silly games with these ratings, but I
hink most everyone else is pretty conservative.
Joe A

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sun Jan 31 11:30:48 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:30:48 EST
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Vintage Grand Prix-Kastner Cup
 Entries/Attendees?????
Message-ID: <8957.eadc06e.38972658@cs.com>

FOT

Same old annual question. Please! ASAP!

Looking for INTENT to register as ENTRANT or ATTENDEE

Name - TRIUMPH MODEL - State - email address

We are the featured race and will have much support from the community, the 
track, and HVR.  Planned in addition to the Kastner Cup, is book signing by 
Kas.

Anyway, send me your intent and I will spreadsheet and forward to the 
Organizers, 
Bill Rinke and Gary Fuqua.

If you are a FOT and a Vendor, please consider displaying. Rental is $100 
for 10 x 20 space.

Thanks!

Joe A

</HTML>

From klynch_6 at msn.com  Sun Jan 31 12:23:54 2010
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:23:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 24 Hr.Rolex
Message-ID: <SNT123-DS4D1736970BB00899152C1B7590@phx.gbl>

With 90 min. to go, it's good to see an RMVR member Nick Ham, in the thick of
the GT standings with the #70 Tremblay Mazda entry. It was however, sad to
hear this will be his last year behind the wheel continuing next year in a
'mentoring capacity'.
I guess no good deed goes unpunished...

K Lynch
GT-6
RMVR

From gaf3 at charter.net  Sun Jan 31 12:27:50 2010
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:27:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
References: <842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <4B65D9B6.5040202@charter.net>

Be careful with that!
I pulled a 20' haulmark enclosed trailer with a 28' class C Jayco and 
the cheezy bumper fell off.
That was the only crossmember they used to keep the frame extensions 
from twisting.
If you do have to tow one leave the load equalizing stuff at home.
I sold the trailer and bought an open (lighter weight) to tow behind my 
35' Bounder and have had no problems.
Most of the motor home manufacturers only scab on some channel  to 
extend the length of the motor home.
Depends on the Motor Home chassis

Glenn Franco

Norlin Engineering wrote:
> My motorhome (along with most current gasoline engined motorhomes) is only
> rated to tow 5,000 lbs.  After looking everything over, I think that's based
> strictly on the length of the rear overhang and the relatively Mickey Mouse
> way the hitch is attached.  I've got a friend that races a Shelby GT350 with
> the same MH as I've got.  His trailer weighs close to 9,000 lb loaded and
> he's had no issues whatsoever with towing.  I feel totally comfortable even
> though my loaded trailer is aroond 1000 lbs or so over the tow rating.  I do
> keep the speeds down and I drop the rig out of overdrive at the slightest
> hill.
>
> Jim Norlin
>
> ____________________________________________
>
>
> Low tech answer:  Generally speaking the final product weight limits are
> established by the weakest component rating installed from the supplier.
>
> Tire ratings
> axle ratings
> transmission ratings
> spring ratings
>
> The motorhome industry plays some silly games with these ratings, but I
> think most everyone else is pretty conservative.

From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jan 31 12:51:25 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:51:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <C3F36DAC-8948-4AD1-B976-996E4BEE6325@bnj.com>
References: <117e0.762f5f39.38934667@aol.com>
	<C3F36DAC-8948-4AD1-B976-996E4BEE6325@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <232185.94259.qm@web180704.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

all of this jabber about a GT6 and towing.... WHY would you want to tow anything with a GT6?

OWNING several in the past and currently racing the GT6 with CVAR...   I'm old skool.... back when I had hair I owned Ford vans and love the storage you can have in an enclosed van.

My love machine and tow vehicle is a sold black 2005 E250 5.4 ltr. standard rear ratio (3.27) tow package and positrac.

Love my van and works well in my modest racing budget...

Bobby Whitehead




________________________________
From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
To: BillDentin at aol.com
Cc: bownes at seiri.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 2:15:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing

I'm really fond of my F350 crew cab King Ranch edition and of course Nero, my
airstream toyhauler. I'm going to be selling both this year I think. Diane and
I decided to simplify things to reduce the maintenance load.
http://www.allaluminumtour.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/mall-o-murrica.JPG .
Peyote is being cared for and transported by Tony Garmey (Horizon Racing) and
I'm probably going to get a lightweight open trailer for occasional hauls of
the Ambro.

The F350 has been flawless. the only issue is that Diane hates driving it. It
even gets pretty good mileage--16-17 MPG with no trailer, 14 mpg hauling nero
with a full travel load of Peyote, parts, and all the junk we took on our five
month walkabout. Remarkably comfortable rig.

I suspect we're going to replace it with a Mercedes ML350 Bluetec Diesel
unless some american car manufacturer comes out with something with similar
specs. 7200 pound towing capacity, 25 MPG and Diane likes driving it.

On Jan 28, 2010, at 9:58 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 01/28/2010 1:03:01 PM Central Standard Time,
> riverside at southslope.net writes:
>
>
>> Any body try one of the airport
>> shuttle bus Diesels??
>>
>>
>
> Amici...
>
> For the last four or five years I have been towing a 24' enclosed trailer
> and a race car with a 1995 Chevrolet G30 (One Ton) cargo van.  It's previous
> owner was the National Guard (Texas).  I bought it on ebay in the summer of
> 2004 when it had just over 40,000 miles.  Inside I mounted peg board on one
> side and shelves on the other.  It will store and carry pretty much anything
> I want to bring along.  A one ton van is a beast size wise, is sprung like
> a five yard dump, but it has a very civil ride, and is very comfortable.
>
> This vehicle has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine (not Chevy's best effort
> ever).  Starts and runs just fine, but tends to struggle a little bit on
> steep hills.  It used to be even worse, but I've helped myself quite a bit
by
> converting to Marine Injectors (thanks to FOTer Mark Craig), and also
> opening up the exhaust system.  The latter made the van sound more like a
race car
> than the race car.  At some point I would like to convert to a Marine Pump
> as well.
>
> I've used a bunch of different tow vehicles (cars, panel, pickups,
> converted vans) down through the years.  All of them had their good and bad
points,
> but I really like this big One Ton Cargo Van, and I don't have a ton of
> money tied up in it.
>
> Bill Dentinger
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Sun Jan 31 13:52:13 2010
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:52:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4B65D9B6.5040202@charter.net>
References: <842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<4B65D9B6.5040202@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4B65ED7D.4070500@141.com>

Regarding the towing capacities and frame inadequacies of motorhomes: 
You also need to watch the distance between the rear axles and the rear 
of the vehicle (overhang). If the distance between the two is too great, 
and you tow too great a load, you can pull down/warp the back end. We 
did this with our first RV, the little 20' Class C Coachmen some of you 
have seen. Brad had to jack up and reweld the frame, and beef up the hitch.

For our 27' Winnebago, we added a beefier bolt-on hitch because the 
existing one was inadequate. And we had the frame and hitch beefed up on 
our Airstream before we did much with it, for the same reason. The 
factories only put measly little frame extenders for the hitches in all 
three cases. We could tow a house now, with the Airstream.

Keep Triumphing,
Susan     :)


Glenn Franco wrote:
> Be careful with that!
> I pulled a 20' haulmark enclosed trailer with a 28' class C Jayco and 
> the cheezy bumper fell off.
> That was the only crossmember they used to keep the frame extensions 
> from twisting.
> If you do have to tow one leave the load equalizing stuff at home.
> I sold the trailer and bought an open (lighter weight) to tow behind 
> my 35' Bounder and have had no problems.
> Most of the motor home manufacturers only scab on some channel  to 
> extend the length of the motor home.
> Depends on the Motor Home chassis
>
> Glenn Franco
>

-- 
I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse.

From m-syork at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 14:07:12 2010
From: m-syork at comcast.net (Mark York)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:07:12 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR6 transmission main case
Message-ID: <000801caa2b9$5c38b470$64a91218@markv8zno7deim>

Does anyone have a transmission main case for a TR4A-6 that they would be
willing to sell? I have Tony Garmey (Horizon Racing) rebuilding mine and
Tony has found the PO modified the inside of the case (for another project?)
with a grinder.

I'm looking for one in good shape; please let me know if you have one you
can part with.

Thanks in advance

Mark

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Jan 31 14:10:26 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:10:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4B65ED7D.4070500@141.com>
References: <842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP><4B65D9B6.5040202@charter.net>
	<4B65ED7D.4070500@141.com>
Message-ID: <8CC70D0F1B83F17-1C50-2C860@webmail-m063.sysops.aol.com>

AIRSTREAM put a considerable amount of work into their trailer platforms and
added a lot of strength to the chassis, as the aluminum shell needs a lot more
support than you might think. Bill B may have a few observations on this.







-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:52 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


Regarding the towing capacities and frame inadequacies of motorhomes: You also
need to watch the distance between the rear axles and the rear of the vehicle
(overhang). If the distance between the two is too great, and you tow too
great a load, you can pull down/warp the back end. We did this with our first
RV, the little 20' Class C Coachmen some of you have seen. Brad had to jack up
and reweld the frame, and beef up the hitch.

For our 27' Winnebago, we added a beefier bolt-on hitch because the existing
one was inadequate. And we had the frame and hitch beefed up on our Airstream
before we did much with it, for the same reason. The factories only put measly
little frame extenders for the hitches in all three cases. We could tow a
house now, with the Airstream.

Keep Triumphing,
Susan :)

Glenn Franco wrote:
> Be careful with that!
> I pulled a 20' haulmark enclosed trailer with a 28' class C Jayco and > the
cheezy bumper fell off.
> That was the only crossmember they used to keep the frame extensions > from
twisting.
> If you do have to tow one leave the load equalizing stuff at home.
> I sold the trailer and bought an open (lighter weight) to tow behind > my
35' Bounder and have had no problems.
> Most of the motor home manufacturers only scab on some channel to > extend
the length of the motor home.
> Depends on the Motor Home chassis
>
> Glenn Franco
>

-- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse.
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Sun Jan 31 14:26:21 2010
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:26:21 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
References: <7441.6a0604a5.3895c44e@cs.com>
	<842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <e43c87342e164.4b65f57d@optonline.net>

Amici,

Here is the answer to everyones towing questions. 

http://shadowhawkvehicles.com/company/products

Think we can get a group discount?


Todd Redmond
TR3A



----- Original Message -----
From: Norlin Engineering 
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010 11:43 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
To: N197TR4 at cs.com, cartravel at pobox.com, macdonaldp at rogers.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net

> My motorhome (along with most current gasoline engined 
> motorhomes) is only
> rated to tow 5,000 lbs. After looking everything over, I think 
> that's based
> strictly on the length of the rear overhang and the relatively 
> Mickey Mouse
> way the hitch is attached. I've got a friend that races a 
> Shelby GT350 with
> the same MH as I've got. His trailer weighs close to 9,000 lb 
> loaded and
> he's had no issues whatsoever with towing. I feel totally 
> comfortable even
> though my loaded trailer is aroond 1000 lbs or so over the tow 
> rating. I do
> keep the speeds down and I drop the rig out of overdrive at the 
> slightesthill.
> 
> Jim Norlin
> 
> ____________________________________________
> 
> 
> Low tech answer: Generally speaking the final product weight 
> limits are
> established by the weakest component rating installed from the 
> supplier.
> Tire ratings
> axle ratings
> transmission ratings
> spring ratings
> 
> The motorhome industry plays some silly games with these 
> ratings, but I
> think most everyone else is pretty conservative.
> 
> Joe A
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From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jan 31 14:34:27 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:34:27 -1000
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <8CC70D0F1B83F17-1C50-2C860@webmail-m063.sysops.aol.com>
References: <842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP><4B65D9B6.5040202@charter.net>
	<4B65ED7D.4070500@141.com>
	<8CC70D0F1B83F17-1C50-2C860@webmail-m063.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <2BCF9B21-8177-430B-A484-27748C1D61EF@bnj.com>

I assume Susan is talking about an airstream motorhome--I don't have
experience with these. Airstream trailer frames are actually kind of dinky, at
least the older ones are. They rely a lot on the aluminum shell as a
monocoque. The 34' has a more substantial frame but the smaller ones are
flimsy from the wheels back.


On Jan 31, 2010, at 11:10 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:

> AIRSTREAM put a considerable amount of work into their trailer platforms
and
> added a lot of strength to the chassis, as the aluminum shell needs a lot
more
> support than you might think. Bill B may have a few observations on this.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:52 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
>
>
> Regarding the towing capacities and frame inadequacies of motorhomes: You
also
> need to watch the distance between the rear axles and the rear of the
vehicle
> (overhang). If the distance between the two is too great, and you tow too
> great a load, you can pull down/warp the back end. We did this with our
first
> RV, the little 20' Class C Coachmen some of you have seen. Brad had to jack
up
> and reweld the frame, and beef up the hitch.
>
> For our 27' Winnebago, we added a beefier bolt-on hitch because the
existing
> one was inadequate. And we had the frame and hitch beefed up on our
Airstream
> before we did much with it, for the same reason. The factories only put
measly
> little frame extenders for the hitches in all three cases. We could tow a
> house now, with the Airstream.
>
> Keep Triumphing,
> Susan :)
>
> Glenn Franco wrote:
>> Be careful with that!
>> I pulled a 20' haulmark enclosed trailer with a 28' class C Jayco and >
the
> cheezy bumper fell off.
>> That was the only crossmember they used to keep the frame extensions >
from
> twisting.
>> If you do have to tow one leave the load equalizing stuff at home.
>> I sold the trailer and bought an open (lighter weight) to tow behind > my
> 35' Bounder and have had no problems.
>> Most of the motor home manufacturers only scab on some channel to > extend
> the length of the motor home.
>> Depends on the Motor Home chassis
>>
>> Glenn Franco
>>
>
> -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse.
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From andre at gt6.ca  Sun Jan 31 14:45:34 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:45:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <e43c87342e164.4b65f57d@optonline.net>
References: <7441.6a0604a5.3895c44e@cs.com>
	<842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<e43c87342e164.4b65f57d@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <4362ae391001311345h6c0a2a22y3dc28c09b815152f@mail.gmail.com>

That looks like something out of MegaForce the movie.

A.

On 31 January 2010 16:26,  <alfetta95 at optonline.net> wrote:
> Amici,
>
> Here is the answer to everyones towing questions.
>
> http://shadowhawkvehicles.com/company/products
>
> Think we can get a group discount?
>
>
> Todd Redmond
> TR3A
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Norlin Engineering
> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010 11:43 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
> To: N197TR4 at cs.com, cartravel at pobox.com, macdonaldp at rogers.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>
>> My motorhome (along with most current gasoline engined
>> motorhomes) is only
>> rated to tow 5,000 lbs. After looking everything over, I think
>> that's based
>> strictly on the length of the rear overhang and the relatively
>> Mickey Mouse
>> way the hitch is attached. I've got a friend that races a
>> Shelby GT350 with
>> the same MH as I've got. His trailer weighs close to 9,000 lb
>> loaded and
>> he's had no issues whatsoever with towing. I feel totally
>> comfortable even
>> though my loaded trailer is aroond 1000 lbs or so over the tow
>> rating. I do
>> keep the speeds down and I drop the rig out of overdrive at the
>> slightesthill.
>>
>> Jim Norlin
>>
>> ____________________________________________
>>
>>
>> Low tech answer: Generally speaking the final product weight
>> limits are
>> established by the weakest component rating installed from the
>> supplier.
>> Tire ratings
>> axle ratings
>> transmission ratings
>> spring ratings
>>
>> The motorhome industry plays some silly games with these
>> ratings, but I
>> think most everyone else is pretty conservative.
>>
>> Joe A
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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-- 
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
'77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
Ottawa, ON, Canada

From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jan 31 14:50:41 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:50:41 -1000
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <e43c87342e164.4b65f57d@optonline.net>
References: <7441.6a0604a5.3895c44e@cs.com>
	<842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<e43c87342e164.4b65f57d@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <3F85AACE-A261-4721-BF00-0AD09DF55275@bnj.com>

On what? Drawings? Pretty feeble IMHO. Check out Dan Simon's stuff:
http://www.cosmic-motors.com/

If I'm going after fantasy, I at least want it to be well done.

On Jan 31, 2010, at 11:26 AM, alfetta95 at optonline.net wrote:

> Amici,
>
> Here is the answer to everyones towing questions.
>
> http://shadowhawkvehicles.com/company/products
>
> Think we can get a group discount?
>
>
> Todd Redmond
> TR3A
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Norlin Engineering
> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010 11:43 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
> To: N197TR4 at cs.com, cartravel at pobox.com, macdonaldp at rogers.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>
>> My motorhome (along with most current gasoline engined
>> motorhomes) is only
>> rated to tow 5,000 lbs. After looking everything over, I think
>> that's based
>> strictly on the length of the rear overhang and the relatively
>> Mickey Mouse
>> way the hitch is attached. I've got a friend that races a
>> Shelby GT350 with
>> the same MH as I've got. His trailer weighs close to 9,000 lb
>> loaded and
>> he's had no issues whatsoever with towing. I feel totally
>> comfortable even
>> though my loaded trailer is aroond 1000 lbs or so over the tow
>> rating. I do
>> keep the speeds down and I drop the rig out of overdrive at the
>> slightesthill.
>>
>> Jim Norlin
>>
>> ____________________________________________
>>
>>
>> Low tech answer: Generally speaking the final product weight
>> limits are
>> established by the weakest component rating installed from the
>> supplier.
>> Tire ratings
>> axle ratings
>> transmission ratings
>> spring ratings
>>
>> The motorhome industry plays some silly games with these
>> ratings, but I
>> think most everyone else is pretty conservative.
>>
>> Joe A
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From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jan 31 14:54:38 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:54:38 -1000
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <3F85AACE-A261-4721-BF00-0AD09DF55275@bnj.com>
References: <7441.6a0604a5.3895c44e@cs.com>
	<842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<e43c87342e164.4b65f57d@optonline.net>
	<3F85AACE-A261-4721-BF00-0AD09DF55275@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA1C80-C35B-4303-B494-4DAB9988D811@bnj.com>

I'll take this one:
http://www.cosmic-motors.com/store/wallpaper/cosmicmotors_wp02_1280.jpg

On Jan 31, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Bill Babcock wrote:

> On what? Drawings? Pretty feeble IMHO. Check out Dan Simon's stuff:
> http://www.cosmic-motors.com/
>
> If I'm going after fantasy, I at least want it to be well done.
>
> On Jan 31, 2010, at 11:26 AM, alfetta95 at optonline.net wrote:
>
>> Amici,
>>
>> Here is the answer to everyones towing questions.
>>
>> http://shadowhawkvehicles.com/company/products
>>
>> Think we can get a group discount?
>>
>>
>> Todd Redmond
>> TR3A
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Norlin Engineering
>> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010 11:43 am
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
>> To: N197TR4 at cs.com, cartravel at pobox.com, macdonaldp at rogers.com
>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>>
>>> My motorhome (along with most current gasoline engined
>>> motorhomes) is only
>>> rated to tow 5,000 lbs. After looking everything over, I think
>>> that's based
>>> strictly on the length of the rear overhang and the relatively
>>> Mickey Mouse
>>> way the hitch is attached. I've got a friend that races a
>>> Shelby GT350 with
>>> the same MH as I've got. His trailer weighs close to 9,000 lb
>>> loaded and
>>> he's had no issues whatsoever with towing. I feel totally
>>> comfortable even
>>> though my loaded trailer is aroond 1000 lbs or so over the tow
>>> rating. I do
>>> keep the speeds down and I drop the rig out of overdrive at the
>>> slightesthill.
>>>
>>> Jim Norlin
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> Low tech answer: Generally speaking the final product weight
>>> limits are
>>> established by the weakest component rating installed from the
>>> supplier.
>>> Tire ratings
>>> axle ratings
>>> transmission ratings
>>> spring ratings
>>>
>>> The motorhome industry plays some silly games with these
>>> ratings, but I
>>> think most everyone else is pretty conservative.
>>>
>>> Joe A
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan 31 15:43:21 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:43:21 +0100
Subject: [Fot] WG:  Towing
Message-ID: <000b01caa2c6$cd279c70$6776d550$@com>

I really do understand him.
I had the idea to tow my TR 4 with my Porsche 911 as this car was equipped
with a tow hitch but unfortunately Porsche don't want to be towed anything
heavier than 800kg. No chance to discuss with them.
So I gave up this idea and use my BMW X3 for towing.
But once I used a small trailer with the Porsche. I did find out that the
Porsche did stop accelerating ....when I had a look on the tach it showed
110 mph. The drag of the tent like cover on the trailer was to much for the
230 HP engine. Was a bit scary to see the trailer bouncing on the road in
the mirror. Good that there was no police close by.

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Bobby Whitehead
Gesendet: Sonntag, 31. Januar 2010 20:51
An: Bill Babcock
Cc: FoT Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Towing

all of this jabber about a GT6 and towing.... WHY would you want to tow
anything with a GT6?

OWNING several in the past and currently racing the GT6 with CVAR...   I'm
old skool.... back when I had hair I owned Ford vans and love the storage
you can have in an enclosed van.

My love machine and tow vehicle is a sold black 2005 E250 5.4 ltr. standard
rear ratio (3.27) tow package and positrac.

Love my van and works well in my modest racing budget...

Bobby Whitehead

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan 31 15:45:30 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:45:30 +0100
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <e43c87342e164.4b65f57d@optonline.net>
References: <7441.6a0604a5.3895c44e@cs.com>
	<842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<e43c87342e164.4b65f57d@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <000c01caa2c7$1947d4d0$4bd77e70$@com>

Looks like a "how to scare Taliban" car. ;-)

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von alfetta95 at optonline.net
Gesendet: Sonntag, 31. Januar 2010 22:26
An: Norlin Engineering
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?

Amici,

Here is the answer to everyones towing questions.

http://shadowhawkvehicles.com/company/products

Think we can get a group discount?


Todd Redmond
TR3A

From s.janzen at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 18:11:05 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:11:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Cooked Front Wheel Bearing On GT6
Message-ID: <A65A14E9-F888-4FD1-995D-88B1E5086F20@comcast.net>

One of the inner wheel bearings was totally dried out - looked like  
the grease had just been baked black by the heat of the brake rotor,  
transmitted to the hub. The race had turned that brownish gold color  
metal gets after being heated a lot.  The outer bearing was ok, though  
blackened grease had migrated over there, and the bearings on the  
other front hub are fine.  Last event I ran was an enduro, but still,  
only about 50 minutes of driving time.

I had looked at the bearings at the not long ago - smooth and plenty  
of grease.  There's no evidence of actual bearing disintegration, just  
too much heat and burned up grease.
Is it time for air ducts?  I run Hawk HT10s, stock calipers and  
rotors.  Brakes were pulling straight, rotors are not warped -  
possible this side was dragging, but there was no evidence of it while  
driving.  I would have figured the brakes would fade away before this  
happened.

From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 19:20:17 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:20:17 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Cooked Front Wheel Bearing On GT6
References: <A65A14E9-F888-4FD1-995D-88B1E5086F20@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <52590302D78647D9B725B6377C58F790@Bud>

have you checked the tightness of the Big nut on the Back side of the axle?
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:11 PM
Subject: [Fot] Cooked Front Wheel Bearing On GT6


> One of the inner wheel bearings was totally dried out - looked like  
> the grease had just been baked black by the heat of the brake rotor,  
> transmitted to the hub. The race had turned that brownish gold color  
> metal gets after being heated a lot.  The outer bearing was ok, though  
> blackened grease had migrated over there, and the bearings on the  
> other front hub are fine.  Last event I ran was an enduro, but still,  
> only about 50 minutes of driving time.
> 
> I had looked at the bearings at the not long ago - smooth and plenty  
> of grease.  There's no evidence of actual bearing disintegration, just  
> too much heat and burned up grease.
> Is it time for air ducts?  I run Hawk HT10s, stock calipers and  
> rotors.  Brakes were pulling straight, rotors are not warped -  
> possible this side was dragging, but there was no evidence of it while  
> driving.  I would have figured the brakes would fade away before this  
> happened.
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 19:36:36 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:36:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Cooked Front Wheel Bearing On GT6
In-Reply-To: <52590302D78647D9B725B6377C58F790@Bud>
References: <A65A14E9-F888-4FD1-995D-88B1E5086F20@comcast.net>
	<52590302D78647D9B725B6377C58F790@Bud>
Message-ID: <4756335D-367B-4CB7-89C5-FD754586154D@comcast.net>

yes - it was pretty snug - though I got maybe 1/8 turn on the nut.

On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:20 PM, RACER BUD wrote:

have you checked the tightness of the Big nut on the Back side of the  
axle?
RB
----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:11 PM
Subject: [Fot] Cooked Front Wheel Bearing On GT6


> One of the inner wheel bearings was totally dried out - looked like   
> the grease had just been baked black by the heat of the brake  
> rotor,  transmitted to the hub. The race had turned that brownish  
> gold color  metal gets after being heated a lot.  The outer bearing  
> was ok, though  blackened grease had migrated over there, and the  
> bearings on the  other front hub are fine.  Last event I ran was an  
> enduro, but still,  only about 50 minutes of driving time.
> I had looked at the bearings at the not long ago - smooth and  
> plenty  of grease.  There's no evidence of actual bearing  
> disintegration, just  too much heat and burned up grease.
> Is it time for air ducts?  I run Hawk HT10s, stock calipers and   
> rotors.  Brakes were pulling straight, rotors are not warped -   
> possible this side was dragging, but there was no evidence of it  
> while  driving.  I would have figured the brakes would fade away  
> before this  happened.
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From kaskas at cox.net  Sun Jan 31 19:39:40 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:39:40 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Towing
Message-ID: <20100131213940.202FJ.27095.imail@fed1rmwml31>

So enough of this.  You need a 400 HP truck that has sleeping for five, and cooking, and gets 23 mpg, while going uphill with the AC blooming full chat and brakes that can stop a locomotive.  For this we will pay about $3000.  Okay now that is settled, lets talk about cars..
--
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 19:59:09 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:59:09 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Cooked Front Wheel Bearing On GT6
References: <A65A14E9-F888-4FD1-995D-88B1E5086F20@comcast.net>
	<52590302D78647D9B725B6377C58F790@Bud>
	<4756335D-367B-4CB7-89C5-FD754586154D@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BEDE5C8A02C1427797BEAD1F5D3BF2AC@Bud>

Hi Scott....It's loose!.The stub axle bolt is 55-60 lbs torque on a
Spitfire..Must be about the same for a GT6..
RB
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Scott Janzen
  To: RACER BUD
  Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
  Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Cooked Front Wheel Bearing On GT6


  yes - it was pretty snug - though I got maybe 1/8 turn on the nut.


  On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:20 PM, RACER BUD wrote:


  have you checked the tightness of the Big nut on the Back side of the axle?
  RB
  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
  To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:11 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Cooked Front Wheel Bearing On GT6



    One of the inner wheel bearings was totally dried out - looked like  the
grease had just been baked black by the heat of the brake rotor,  transmitted
to the hub. The race had turned that brownish gold color  metal gets after
being heated a lot.  The outer bearing was ok, though  blackened grease had
migrated over there, and the bearings on the  other front hub are fine.  Last
event I ran was an enduro, but still,  only about 50 minutes of driving time.

    I had looked at the bearings at the not long ago - smooth and plenty  of
grease.  There's no evidence of actual bearing disintegration, just  too much
heat and burned up grease.

    Is it time for air ducts?  I run Hawk HT10s, stock calipers and  rotors.
Brakes were pulling straight, rotors are not warped -  possible this side was
dragging, but there was no evidence of it while  driving.  I would have
figured the brakes would fade away before this  happened.

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From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jan 31 20:04:42 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:04:42 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <20100131213940.202FJ.27095.imail@fed1rmwml31>
References: <20100131213940.202FJ.27095.imail@fed1rmwml31>
Message-ID: <88FBCE6D-4BAA-4493-941B-C5917820AEC2@bnj.com>

I think it's actually about $43K, but I agree.

A little Peyote porn, courtesy of Tony Garmey. The little bugger sure looks
good. http://www.kenalu.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/peyote.jpg

Here's my current transportation--my downwind board converted to a trailer for
the seven mile leg back to the jeep:
http://www.kenalu.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/trailer.jpg

On Jan 31, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:

> So enough of this.  You need a 400 HP truck that has sleeping for five, and
cooking, and gets 23 mpg, while going uphill with the AC blooming full chat
and brakes that can stop a locomotive.  For this we will pay about $3000.
Okay now that is settled, lets talk about cars..
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From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jan 31 20:07:01 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:07:01 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <20100131213940.202FJ.27095.imail@fed1rmwml31>
References: <20100131213940.202FJ.27095.imail@fed1rmwml31>
Message-ID: <7D97290F-0ACE-43B1-8E87-FC0C71DE5B42@bnj.com>

I think it's actually about $43K, but I agree.

A little Peyote porn, courtesy of Tony Garmey. The little bugger sure looks
good. http://www.kenalu.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/peyote.jpg

Here's my current transportation--my downwind board converted to a trailer for
the seven mile leg back to the jeep:
http://www.kenalu.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/trailer.jpg

That should be filed under "what's the towing capacity of a cheap mountain
bike"

Bill

On Jan 31, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:

> So enough of this.  You need a 400 HP truck that has sleeping for five, and
cooking, and gets 23 mpg, while going uphill with the AC blooming full chat
and brakes that can stop a locomotive.  For this we will pay about $3000.
Okay now that is settled, lets talk about cars..
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From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jan 31 20:13:32 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:13:32 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <20100131213940.202FJ.27095.imail@fed1rmwml31>
References: <20100131213940.202FJ.27095.imail@fed1rmwml31>
Message-ID: <5AF04D5B-F29B-4333-9047-C931D63B4C15@bnj.com>

Here's the thread about this on the Standup Zone, a bigger bunch of lunatics I
haven't met, other than, well, everyone in the FOT.
http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=5928.0


On Jan 31, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:

> So enough of this.  You need a 400 HP truck that has sleeping for five, and
cooking, and gets 23 mpg, while going uphill with the AC blooming full chat
and brakes that can stop a locomotive.  For this we will pay about $3000.
Okay now that is settled, lets talk about cars..
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 20:26:33 2010
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:26:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SCCA President's Cup Award: Sam Halkias
Message-ID: <673993c51001311926s20de2579hde73f9a4229cc7b4@mail.gmail.com>

Sam Halkias was awarded the President's Cup this past weekend at the SCCA
National Convention. Congrats!

Bob

From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Fri Jan  1 07:03:41 2010
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 01:03:41 +1100
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery
In-Reply-To: <002101ca8ac9$fca9fcd7$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <002101ca8ac9$fca9fcd7$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAOn6/+DcTk9NpLLRiCERAAABAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>

Henry,

Happy New Year to you also!

 

I have a very similar system to yourself as you described. I too fitted a
bleed port on the thermostat housing to minimize air in the system. I am
sort of wondering now why no one has looked at designing an extended filler
neck arrangement to replace the thermostat housing? Maybe this will fix the
2 glaring issue with the current stock setup of too low a fill point and air
bleeding? I started thinking about this option today when I sat down and
looked at all the components etc. I would need to fit a recovery system.
Maybe the filler neck will do the job nicely and save allot of plumbing! 

 

Cheers.

 

 

 

 

From: Henry Frye [mailto:henry at henryfrye.com] 
Sent: Friday, 1 January 2010 9:06 PM
To: Peter Vucinic
Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery

 

Peter,

I don't think there is a concensus on coolant system plumbing. I have seen
successful installations that range from what appears to be quite stock to
much more radical approaches than you are describing.

I guess it all depends on how much power you are making and how hard you
drive it.

I make as much power as the rest of the fast TR's in the east and mid-west
USA, and drive very hard. Fastest and first in class TR4 at the Kastner Cup
race in 2008 at Watkins Glen. Here's what I do...

I block off water passages in the front of the head to direct more flow to
the back of the block, run an oversized radiator with a stock recovery
overflow bottle, a 16 pound radiator cap, no expansion tank and have plugs
in the heater box tap and heater pipe outlet in the water pump. I installed
a petcock in the thermostat housing to purge air from the system when
filling, and run a 185 degree thermostat to keep enough heat in the engine
no matter what season I am racing in. Works great.

I know it's old news for you guys down under, but Happy New Year!

Henry Frye  -  Sent from Phone
Triumph Technology Consultants
860.508.3118 (C) - 860.653.3118 (O)


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Vucinic <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 6:01 AM
To: FOT at autox.team.net <FOT at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery

Lister's,



I believe that we have already seen a few threads on this subject. But I am
seeking general consensus on the plumbing/routing of coolant lines to and
from a coolant system recovery/expansion tank/bottle for the TR4.



Obviously I am making the following assumptions: -

1.    Expansion/recovery tank will be mounted higher than the cylinder head.
Say, on the firewall next to the battery

2.    Existing Radiator cap to be of the fixed/closed type

3.    Coolant system over pressure will now be controlled by radiator cap
fitted to expansion/recovery tank

4.    Coolant total loss will now occur at the expansion tank due to over
pressure



My questions are: -

1.    Are any of you already running a system such as the above? Successful
in controlling air into the coolant circuit/system?

2.    Where is the most appropriate connection to the coolant expansion
recovery tank made? E.g. At the heater tap port and the back of the water
pump? Thermostat housing? Radiator top hose/port?

3.    Do you have an air bleed orifice/port in this cooling circuit/system
as well?





Thanks in advance





Kind Regards

Peter Vucinic

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Jan  1 08:12:59 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 09:12:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery
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	NofvDgY9LoafUB5HsXfgBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
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I would suggest NOT running any lines from the block / head to a tank 
with a normal radiator cap.  The block pressure is well above the 
radiator pressure - the thermostat housing is the orifice that keeps 
the block pressure high.  Jack installed a radiator cap at the top of 
the thermostat housing and kept losing all of his coolant through the 
radiator cap's bypass until we figured this out and plugged the 
bypass vent.  So the rad cap in the thermostat housing was just a 
means of filling the engine and was completely sealed once 
filled.  We still used the radiator's cap for venting down to a 
reasonable pressure.

If you use an expansion tank and tie it to the heater port in the 
head, 30+ psi water from the head will pressurize the tank.  With the 
pressure controlled as you describe I predict that you will loose 
coolant due to this overpressurization.

- Tony Drews

At 11:10 PM 12/31/2009, Peter Vucinic wrote:
>Lister's,
>
>
>
>I believe that we have already seen a few threads on this subject. But I am
>seeking general consensus on the plumbing/routing of coolant lines to and
>from a coolant system recovery/expansion tank/bottle for the TR4.
>
>
>
>Obviously I am making the following assumptions: -
>
>1.    Expansion/recovery tank will be mounted higher than the cylinder head.
>Say, on the firewall next to the battery
>
>2.    Existing Radiator cap to be of the fixed/closed type
>
>3.    Coolant system over pressure will now be controlled by radiator cap
>fitted to expansion/recovery tank
>
>4.    Coolant total loss will now occur at the expansion tank due to over
>pressure
>
>
>
>My questions are: -
>
>1.    Are any of you already running a system such as the above? Successful
>in controlling air into the coolant circuit/system?
>
>2.    Where is the most appropriate connection to the coolant expansion
>recovery tank made? E.g. At the heater tap port and the back of the water
>pump? Thermostat housing? Radiator top hose/port?
>
>3.    Do you have an air bleed orifice/port in this cooling circuit/system
>as well?
>
>
>
>
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>
>
>
>
>Kind Regards
>
>Peter Vucinic
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Fri Jan  1 08:42:44 2010
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 07:42:44 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAK3NofvDgY9LoafUB5HsXfgBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
Message-ID: <BBCAFA60F0E84AC58A08CD6B588DCF5D@Pendys>

Good  Morning and Happy New Year to All, Peter, my exp. tank is mounted high 
on the firewall. There are four lines comeing from said tank, the lowest one 
is a 1 1/4 in. which goes to a tee in the water pump to lower rad. hose. 
Next up on tank is a 5/16 line to rad. neck, third one up is a 5/16 line 
which goes to a hand built low profile stat houseing, ( no stat used ) and 
the forth line up is a 3/8 hose to a catch can, never an issue with any air 
in system, my problem is the car runs to cold so i'm trying to locate an 
inline thermostat at top rad. hose, tired of screwing around with cardboard, 
hope this info. helps......Mark Pendy #65 tr4
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Vucinic" <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 9:10 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery


> Lister's,
>
>
>
> I believe that we have already seen a few threads on this subject. But I 
> am
> seeking general consensus on the plumbing/routing of coolant lines to and
> from a coolant system recovery/expansion tank/bottle for the TR4.
>
>
>
> Obviously I am making the following assumptions: -
>
> 1.    Expansion/recovery tank will be mounted higher than the cylinder 
> head.
> Say, on the firewall next to the battery
>
> 2.    Existing Radiator cap to be of the fixed/closed type
>
> 3.    Coolant system over pressure will now be controlled by radiator cap
> fitted to expansion/recovery tank
>
> 4.    Coolant total loss will now occur at the expansion tank due to over
> pressure
>
>
>
> My questions are: -
>
> 1.    Are any of you already running a system such as the above? 
> Successful
> in controlling air into the coolant circuit/system?
>
> 2.    Where is the most appropriate connection to the coolant expansion
> recovery tank made? E.g. At the heater tap port and the back of the water
> pump? Thermostat housing? Radiator top hose/port?
>
> 3.    Do you have an air bleed orifice/port in this cooling circuit/system
> as well?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Sat Jan  2 10:03:29 2010
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:03:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Happy New Year and new salvage arrivals.
Message-ID: <4B3F7C61.5030907@bright.net>

Happy New Year to the list.  2010 already - time sure flies  when you're 
having fun.  With the recent discussion of using TR6 front suspension 
components, thought some of our  recent salvage arrivals might be of 
interest. We just got in 3 TR6 parts cars in the last 2 weeks. Plenty of 
front suspensions, gearboxes, differentials, etc. Also a stack of 
TR3.TR4 short blocks. 

We just did another run of our uprated TR springs.  TR3 - 6 fronts and 
TR4AIRS - TR6 rears.  We produce a large portion of the uprated springs 
sold in the country.  Accurate within +/- 2% (tightest tolerance in the 
industry) and guaranteed not to set or sag.  Many of the coil springs we 
rate checked, especially UK made, will vary as much as 10%. We supply 
these in both stock and 1" shorter free length. Rates are 20% firmer in 
front and 25% firmer in rear.  We can also tell you how much to cut if 
you want to raise the spring rate - 1/8 of a coil = 8# rate increase.  
This is only true on our springs.. 

To all who gave the great compliments on our gear reduction starters, 
thank you. For those of you who do not yet have one or are going to add 
a "spare", we will do a FOT January gear reduction starter sale. Order 
any of our starters, except Rover V8, for $179.95.  $20 off the regular 
price.  TR 3 and TR4 owners, be sure to specify bolt-on or press on ring 
gear when ordering.  Sale ends Feb 1. You must specify FOT starter sale 
when ordering. 

Please visit our website for new items, new product announcements and more.
Thanks, Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
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http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Jan  2 17:32:05 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:32:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Such a deal!
Message-ID: <4B3FE585.5070407@bradakis.com>

Gee, only a day to go and still under $1,000 - just what everyone needs!


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-TR-6_W0QQitemZ120511866213QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item1c0f112565



mjb.


From billb at bnj.com  Sat Jan  2 18:24:45 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:24:45 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Such a deal!
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References: <4B3FE585.5070407@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <71671B70-8E66-4158-9217-98FA80625DF0@bnj.com>

Ukk, I could have gone all day without looking at that dead possum. I love the
part where the owner says "all major work has been done" and all that
rotisserie motor needs is a carburetor!
On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:

> Gee, only a day to go and still under $1,000 - just what everyone needs!
>
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-TR-6_W0QQitemZ120511866213QQcmdZViewIt
emQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item1c0f112565
>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Jan  2 18:33:00 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 18:33:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Such a deal!
In-Reply-To: <4B3FE585.5070407@bradakis.com>
References: <4B3FE585.5070407@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <23CCB727F62B40259E7BD7D38C2C1D13@joepentiumnew>

I guess there are just not too many people interested in buying a Vitesse
titled as a TR6 and Powered by a Mazda Rotary engine.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 5:32 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] Such a deal!

Gee, only a day to go and still under $1,000 - just what everyone needs!


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temQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item1c0f112565



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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  2 18:35:26 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:35:26 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Such a deal!
In-Reply-To: <4B3FE585.5070407@bradakis.com>
References: <4B3FE585.5070407@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <0CEFC98F-B896-4BCC-9D23-89D5581B50DC@earthlink.net>

Hmm, it says 300HP Mazda rotary.

~Steve


On Jan 2, 2010, at 4:32 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:

> Gee, only a day to go and still under $1,000 - just what everyone  
> needs!
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-TR-6_W0QQitemZ120511866213QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item1c0f112565
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Jan  2 18:40:36 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:40:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Such a deal!
In-Reply-To: <4B3FE585.5070407@bradakis.com>
References: <4B3FE585.5070407@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4B3FF594.6090706@bradakis.com>

By the way, the car is here in Salt Lake.  He had it listed on a local
classified for $4500.

If you want me to go look at it, uh, I'll be busy that day, I need to
wax my socks and check the Honda's muffler fluid.

mjb.


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan  3 02:59:35 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:59:35 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Photo update
In-Reply-To: <4B377F31.9050605@twcny.rr.com>
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Message-ID: <000e01ca8c5b$759852f0$60c8f8d0$@com>

Hi guys,

I've updated my webpage with some photos.
Most of them are my car related.

http://www.tr4-racing.de/deu/gallery2009.html

Cheers
Chris


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan  3 08:11:52 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:11:52 +0100
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
In-Reply-To: <8CC0E709639F5C7-18D8-1FCE3@webmail-d068.sysops.aol.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu><3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
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I've several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers.
What does they indicate?

Cheers
Chris


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Jan  3 10:03:22 2010
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:03:22 EST
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
Message-ID: <bbf.64a5d92c.387227da@aol.com>

Racing classes.  D Production, E Production.  Loosely based on  
displacement.EP was 2000 cc, DP was 2500 etc.
 
Other examples would start with F for Formula cars as FF=Formula Ford or FA 
 for Formula Atlantic.  I'm sure you could get all of the current classes  
and details from an SCCA website or rulebook.
 
 
In a message dated 1/3/2010 8:50:10 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:

I've  several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers.
What does  they  indicate?

Cheers
Chris
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From cwnfot at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 10:09:04 2010
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:09:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
In-Reply-To: <000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu><3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
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	<000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>
Message-ID: <000601ca8c97$7456db00$5d049100$@com>

In SCCA racing they are P for Production classes
AP (A Production) is the fastest class, Big-block Corvettes for instance
B
C
D
E
F 1300-1500 Spitfires
G 1147 Spitfires
H is slowest (948 Sprites for instance, a friend runs an old VW Scirocco
here)

I'm not 100% sure what is in what class anymore, these things keep changing!

>From the SCCA.com site:
PRODUCTION

Series produced cars, which are allowed a range of performance modifications
while retaining their original design, structure and drive layout. There is
no age limit, such as Showroom Stock, so Production includes many cars as
old as 50 years and as new as current body styles. The four performance
potential based classes include: E Production (EP), F Production (FP) and H
Production (HP). 

EP is the fastest of the Production classes with HP running the slowest in
the category. Several cars in the Production classes can be run in more than
one class, just by changing the engine between races. The ease of engine
changes allows many Production drivers to enter more than one class at the
Runoffs each year. Cars included in Production classes come from a diverse
group ranging from the MG Midget, Turner, Fiat X1/9, Alfa Romeo Spyder,
Austin Healey Sprite, and Lotus Super 7 to the BMW 325, Mazda Miata, RX-7,
Nissan 240, Honda Civic, Suzuki Swift GTI and Toyota MR-2.

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
"Reality, it's not what you think."


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jan  3 10:11:21 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 09:11:21 -0800
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
In-Reply-To: <000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu><3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
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	<000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>
Message-ID: <8524764A-1435-4A28-84CD-18AAE742B8A7@earthlink.net>

Chris, here is a list of cars and classifications for my race group.
Hope the formatting looks correct, I cut and pasted this and sent it
from my mac.


PRODUCTION (P) CLASSIFICATION
Guideline list for cars through 1972 effective  1/1/2004

AP
Cobra 427
4/8/2009
http://www.vararacing.com/RulebookNew.html
Cobra 289 with Webers
Corvette big block
Corvette Gran Sport
Shelby GT500

AP3
AMX 390
1968-1972 Corvette 427
1968-1972 Boss Mustang 429

BP
Corvette 327
Cobra 289
Shelby GT350
Jaguar XKE
Sunbeam Tiger

BP3
1968-1972 Corvette small block

CP
Alfa GTZ
Corvette up to 1962 with 327
Ginetta G4 1500cc pushrod
Lotus Elan 1558cc
Lotus S7  1600cc pushrod
Morgan Super Sport
Jaguar all except XKE
Porsche 911 2 liter
Porsche 904  2 liter

CP3
Datsun 240Z  2.4 liter
Porsche 914-6 Up to 2.4 liter
Porsche 911  2.4 liter

DP
Alfa Spider up to 2 liter
Austin Healy Sprite up to 1381cc max
Corvette up to 1960 with 265/283
Page 28of 62
VARA, Vintage Auto Racing Association, Vintage Auto Racing,
4/8/2009
http://www.vararacing.com/RulebookNew.htmlPage 28of 62
VARA, Vintage Auto Racing Association, Vintage Auto Racing,

Elva Courier with B type engine
Fiat 124 spider up to 2 liters
Daimler V-8
Datsun 2000
Ginetta 1300cc
Lotus 7 1500ohv  non cross-flow
MG Midget up to 1381cc max
Porsche 914-4 up to 2 liter
Porsche 912 up to 2 liter
Turner 1500ohv
Triumph GT6
Triumph TR6/TR250
Triumph TR4/4A
Triumph Spitfire 1300 &1500
TVR 1800
Volvo P1800 up to 2 liter

EP
Alfa Spider 1600cc
Alfa Duetto 1600cc and 1750cc
Austin Healy 100-6/3000
Austin Healy Sprite 1275cc
Elva Courier 1622 original type engine
Fiat 124 spider up to 1688cc
Ginetta 1000cc
Lotus Europa 1470cc
MGB/MGB GTMGA with B engine
MG Midget 1275cc
Morgan +4 up to 2.2 liter
Porsche 912 up to 1725cc
Porsche 914-4 1700cc
Porsche 356 up to 1725cc
Sabra 1500cc
Triumph TR2/3  2200cc
TVR 1622cc
Turner 1500 with single downdraft, non cross-flow
Volvo P1800  1800cc

FP
Arnolt/Bristol
Alfa Guila 1600cc with 4 wheel drum brakes
Alfa Giulietta Spider 1300cc
Austin Healy 100-4
Datsun 1500 & 1600 roadster
Lotus 7 America 948cc & 997cc
MGA 1622cc & twin cam
Morgan 4/4 MKV
Porsche 356 up to 1600cc with drum brakes
Sunbeam Alpine 1725cc
Triumph Spitfire 1147cc
Triumph TR2/3  2000cc


Page 29of 62
VARA, Vintage Auto Racing Association, Vintage Auto Racing,
4/8/2009
http://www.vararacing.com/RulebookNew.html
GP
Abarth OT1000
Abarth Berlina Corsa 982cc/1050cc
Alfa Giulietta 1300 with 4 wheel drum brakes
Austin Healy Sprite 1098cc
MG Midget 1098cc
Mini 1098/1071cc
Morris Minor 1098cc
NSU TT 1100cc
Porsche 1300
Sunbeam Alpine 1592cc/1494cc
Turner 950S
VW Karmman Gia and Bug 1200cc

HP
Austin Healy Sprite 948cc
BMW 700
Fiat Abarth 750cc/850cc
Fiat 850 sedan and spider 850cc/903ccFiat 1200 spider
MG TC/TD/TF
Mini 850/998
NSU TTS 996cc
Panhard sedans
Saab 850 sedans  850cc/998cc
Sunbeam IMP

Page 30of 62
VARA, Vintage Auto Racing Association, Vintage Auto Racing,

On Jan 3, 2010, at 7:11 AM, MadMarx wrote:

> I've several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers.
> What does they indicate?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sun Jan  3 10:36:04 2010
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 09:36:04 -0800
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu><3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com><876CF187-9365-4878-9A81-EC417FDDFF65@earthlink.net><8CC0E709639F5C7-18D8-1FCE3@webmail-d068.sysops.aol.com>
	<000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>
Message-ID: <26939103DDE64D7EBB6C8ABA2D233C25@desktop>

Chris, to help explain the extensions, they are SCCA (Sports Car Club of 
America) designations given to cars for classification for racing.  The 'P' 
is for production, and some cars may have a 'S' for sedans.  The first 
letter is the division of that classification being the 'A' would be the 
highest.  As far as how they got the division, I'm not sure if it was 
assigned according to speed or if the manufacturer lobbied for the class.
I have heard of cars changing classes to be more competitive.
It is not a designation of engine size as some cars with larger engines go 
to a lower class and some cars with smaller engines go to a higher class.
  see this link for a explanation of which cars are what 
(http://www.sovren.org/competition/rules/pcs/PCS69%20Index.htm  or 
http://www.sovren.org/competition/rules/gcr/HTML%20gcr_69.html  )
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44CP

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:11 AM
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on


> I've several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers.
> What does they indicate?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Sun Jan  3 10:41:35 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 09:41:35 -0800
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
In-Reply-To: <000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>
Message-ID: <3B4CCDD4E08C4C79B24C154C5F9D83B2@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Chris

It's a car classification designation.  The P stands for a Production car
and the first letter is a grouping by performance potential.  In the old
days, these used to go from AP down to HP and many vintage organizations
still use those designations.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:12 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on


I've several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers. What
does they indicate?

Cheers
Chris
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From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jan  3 11:17:45 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 08:17:45 -1000
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
In-Reply-To: <000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu><3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
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They are SCCA (Sports Car Club of America) classifications. P means
production, the D and E reflect the performance potential of the car. In
theory (or at least in the sports racer categories, like DSR which means D
Sports racer) it's based on engine size, with D being 1 liter and E being two.
In practice it has more to do with what the rules committee had for breakfast
and who owns the ox that is being gored.

TR3's are usually EP, Peyote is EM which means E Modified.

On Jan 3, 2010, at 5:11 AM, MadMarx wrote:

> I've several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers.
> What does they indicate?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From billbab at me.com  Sun Jan  3 11:28:38 2010
From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 08:28:38 -1000
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
In-Reply-To: <73EDD59F-DCEC-4E71-A627-39CF73B59E44@bnj.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
	<3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
	<876CF187-9365-4878-9A81-EC417FDDFF65@earthlink.net>
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	<000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>
	<73EDD59F-DCEC-4E71-A627-39CF73B59E44@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <7B71E089-D52B-4100-B495-DFEE51142323@me.com>

Oops, I said that wrong, in the SR classes ESR really no longer exists except in other sanctioning bodies, and there it's usually 850 cc, though that varies too. The sizes (or more correctly, performance potentials) go from A (biggest) to H (smallest). As you'll see from the other replies, these rules are complicated, as you would expect any rule that started out too simple (engine size) and later was tweaked frequently to try to keep race classes reasonably competitive across marques.  

 
On Jan 3, 2010, at 8:17 AM, Bill Babcock wrote:

> They are SCCA (Sports Car Club of America) classifications. P means production, the D and E reflect the performance potential of the car. In theory (or at least in the sports racer categories, like DSR which means D Sports racer) it's based on engine size, with D being 1 liter and E being two. In practice it has more to do with what the rules committee had for breakfast and who owns the ox that is being gored. 
> 
> TR3's are usually EP, Peyote is EM which means E Modified. 
> 
> On Jan 3, 2010, at 5:11 AM, MadMarx wrote:
> 
>> I've several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers.
>> What does they indicate?
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan  3 12:28:15 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:28:15 +0100
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
In-Reply-To: <7B71E089-D52B-4100-B495-DFEE51142323@me.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
	<3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
	<876CF187-9365-4878-9A81-EC417FDDFF65@earthlink.net>
	<8CC0E709639F5C7-18D8-1FCE3@webmail-d068.sysops.aol.com>
	<000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>
	<73EDD59F-DCEC-4E71-A627-39CF73B59E44@bnj.com>
	<7B71E089-D52B-4100-B495-DFEE51142323@me.com>
Message-ID: <000601ca8caa$e8d89f00$ba89dd00$@com>

So the only difficulty is to find out what performance potential the car
has. Who does judge this?
And is there a way alter the classification?


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:billbab at me.com]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Januar 2010 19:29
An: Bill Babcock
Cc: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] EP DP and so on

Oops, I said that wrong, in the SR classes ESR really no longer exists
except in other sanctioning bodies, and there it's usually 850 cc, though
that varies too. The sizes (or more correctly, performance potentials) go
from A (biggest) to H (smallest). As you'll see from the other replies,
these rules are complicated, as you would expect any rule that started out
too simple (engine size) and later was tweaked frequently to try to keep
race classes reasonably competitive across marques.


On Jan 3, 2010, at 8:17 AM, Bill Babcock wrote:

> They are SCCA (Sports Car Club of America) classifications. P means
production, the D and E reflect the performance potential of the car. In
theory (or at least in the sports racer categories, like DSR which means D
Sports racer) it's based on engine size, with D being 1 liter and E being
two. In practice it has more to do with what the rules committee had for
breakfast and who owns the ox that is being gored.
>
> TR3's are usually EP, Peyote is EM which means E Modified.
>
> On Jan 3, 2010, at 5:11 AM, MadMarx wrote:
>
>> I've several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers.
>> What does they indicate?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Sun Jan  3 12:50:14 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:50:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC content, scale model running chevy V-8
Message-ID: <000b01ca8cad$f89ed4b0$e9dc7e10$@com>

For those running out of things to do on their race car.

 

Tim

 

 

World's smallest running Chevy V-8 motor
 
     He  did it all on a Bridgeport milling 
machine.  
 
    After viewing all of the pictures, be sure  to catch both of the 
film clips of it actually  running.
 
    http://www.moyermade.com/chevyV8.html


From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jan  3 15:19:22 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:19:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Bobby Whitehead
Message-ID: <639576.19101.qm@web180712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

TEST...


my emails haven't been getting out....    


checking


From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jan  3 15:20:16 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:20:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: triumph pistons/ rods
Message-ID: <310170.63600.qm@web180703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
To: FoT Triumph <fot-request at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, December 27, 2009 9:49:39 PM
Subject: triumph pistons/ rods


Is it worth the extra expense for forged pitsons and rods in a GT6 race car if it's a vinatge raced outting 6-7 weekends a year?

Bobby Whitehead, not, Bill Gates...


From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jan  3 15:20:51 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:20:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: new member recommendation
Message-ID: <141542.99512.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
To:
FoT Triumph <fot-request at autox.team.net>
Cc: David Bonito
<triumphracing2 at aol.com>
Sent: Thu, December 24, 2009 4:27:53 PM
Subject: new
member recommendation


I would like to recommend a new member to FoT.

David
Bonito ///  triumphracing2 at aol.com

He has raced SCCA with his TR6, sells some
cool stuff on his website, and eBay... really knowledgable Triumph guy for the
forum.

Yeah he's in Geooorgia and sells some really nice race prepared stuff
and seems to know a ton about the cars and race prep...


I would like to wish
all my friends, seen and un-seen , a very Merry Christmas...   we're getting
HAMMERED with snow in North Texas for Christmas Eve.. almost a little God send
...  I needed an acknowledgement form the Big Man... as usual, He came
through...

and to all a good night....


Bobby Whitehead
1970 TRIUMPHGT6+
CVAR GP7 DP


From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jan  3 15:21:28 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:21:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: GT6 build
Message-ID: <85807.72382.qm@web180711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
To:
FoT Triumph <fot-request at autox.team.net>
Cc: David Bonito
<triumphracing2 at aol.com>
Sent: Wed, December 23, 2009 10:44:07 AM
Subject: GT6
build


putting parts together for my 'spare' engine for the race car... 
there's a guy David Bonito ( triumphracing2 at aol.com ) I've bought some parts
from. He's directed me towards the PI head that apparently came on a few GT6's
for some reason and I happened to have one... ref: eBay 350288944226 ... I've
bought his SS valves and Crane Cam Springs, as I want to do the head first,
then the block.
My next quest is a race cam, lifters, and push rods. TSI? Who
can help with a purchase on these? I'm shooting for stability and power, maybe
12.5 to 1 compression.    Years ago I bought a set of GT6 pistons and rods on
eBay...   they are 20 over POP UP pistons. Anybody used the pop up pistons in
a race car? I thought (sophomore thinking) that with the pop up pistons and
the PI head with the larger combustion chamber I could have the start of an
engine build... I do have several blocks laying around..  complete... looking
for some help if you guys have the time...
Merry Christmas to all....  Bobby
Whitehead 1970GT6+ DP CVAR...


From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jan  3 15:22:12 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:22:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: building a new engine
Message-ID: <121244.52986.qm@web180704.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
To: FoT Triumph <fot-request at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 7:47:18 AM
Subject: building a new engine


After another season on my GT6 I'm considering building another, or spare, racing engine for the GT6. I would say I'm rather a novice at all of the ends and outs as I know a lot of you guys and gals can talk clearances and setups in your sleep.
I have one of Kastner's books on engine preparation (the little red book) and I've read it back and forth dozens of times in the last twenty years. However, with such a build idea from the past with relations to current ideas like forged pistons, Carillo rods, ceramic coatings and the such... I'm wondering, should I spring for some of the high end stuff like pistons and rods, or would I be better off sticking to the old school methods and going forward.
Kas obviously built some of the best stuff for the time in his era, but I know a couple of fast guys in small cars are doing some high end stuff now days and it shows at the race track.
My little GT6+ has had no engine issues although my MSD died at the track this month. I was smart enough to know I'd seen someone else loose one at a meet and had a spare in my trailer, which kept me racing this past weekend. All is well with the GT6 engine, it's just starting to show a little less oil pressure. I think I've got another season on it, I hope. 
thanks FoT for the forum, 
Bobby Whitehead
DP CVAR GT6+ 


From adams910 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 16:28:38 2010
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:28:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
In-Reply-To: <000601ca8caa$e8d89f00$ba89dd00$@com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
	<3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
	<876CF187-9365-4878-9A81-EC417FDDFF65@earthlink.net>
	<8CC0E709639F5C7-18D8-1FCE3@webmail-d068.sysops.aol.com>
	<000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>
	<73EDD59F-DCEC-4E71-A627-39CF73B59E44@bnj.com>
	<7B71E089-D52B-4100-B495-DFEE51142323@me.com>
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Message-ID: <673993c51001031528j17dde7a4h3e78a9227f96ee1@mail.gmail.com>

There are 3 Production classes left in SCCA, EP, FP, and HP. There are also
GT1-3 and GTL. Apparently sometime in the 80's, the then current BOD thought
it would be wise to make consolidate all the Sedan and Production classes
into Silhouette, tube based chassis cars.  I think they figured that it
would be cheaper for people to keep buying new car chassis, only to
re-engineer half the cars. For one reason or another they stopped half way
through.

Christian,

The problem is they don't. SCCA's GT and Improved Touring classes use a
formula because all cars are held to the same modification parameters. In
SCCA Production there are 3 prep levels, "Full Prep" "Limited Prep" and some
cars are a combination "f.p. chassis with l.p. motors".


Generally the older British Leyland and Italian cars are full prep
(basically do anything to the chassis but keeping the stock floor pan and
fire wall, and you can modify the motors all you want as long as you use the
stock head, block, and a specified carb/fuel injection)


 The more modern cars from the 80's and 90's are limited prep, which use
similar rules to SCCA's Improved Touring classes, but with some allowments
(chassis mods are limited to stock suspension pick up points, and motors are
restricted in porting, compression and cam lift).


Confused yet? Because it gets better.


In an interest to make cars more competitive in different production classes
due to class consolidations, some cars are allowed motor swaps. There are
also different weight penalties for different types of gear boxes used
(stock, stock with dog gears, or aftermarket trans), brakes, etc. The list
goes on.


Generally they try to class cars based on the cars performance in other
classes, and then kind of make guesses as to how fast it will be with the
allowable "production mods". They also balance the different makes and
models based on individual's own efforts.

The l.p. rule set has brought in some fresh blood to the classes, and in
particular thanks to manufacturer contingency support and marque popularity
Mazda Miata's and Honda (Integra's, CRX's, Preludes) have allowed EP and FP
large fields. HP is on the downward spiral and is suffering from a bit
talent drain right now.


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sun Jan  3 16:39:07 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:39:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fw: new member recommendation
In-Reply-To: <141542.99512.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <141542.99512.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A7334479892041C49CADFA878515D50F@your4dacd0ea75>

Sounds like David will fit in with this bunch...I'll second...WELCOME David.

Paul MacDonald

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead
Sent: January 3, 2010 5:21 PM
To: FoT Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Fw: new member recommendation

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
To:
FoT Triumph <fot-request at autox.team.net>
Cc: David Bonito
<triumphracing2 at aol.com>
Sent: Thu, December 24, 2009 4:27:53 PM
Subject: new
member recommendation


I would like to recommend a new member to FoT.

David
Bonito ///  triumphracing2 at aol.com

He has raced SCCA with his TR6, sells some
cool stuff on his website, and eBay... really knowledgable Triumph guy for
the
forum.

Yeah he's in Geooorgia and sells some really nice race prepared stuff
and seems to know a ton about the cars and race prep...


I would like to wish
all my friends, seen and un-seen , a very Merry Christmas...   we're getting
HAMMERED with snow in North Texas for Christmas Eve.. almost a little God
send
...  I needed an acknowledgement form the Big Man... as usual, He came
through...

and to all a good night....


Bobby Whitehead
1970 TRIUMPHGT6+
CVAR GP7 DP
You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com

http://www.fot-racing.com


Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

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From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jan  3 17:00:25 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:00:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] emails and posts
Message-ID: <206738.12064.qm@web180702.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

After I figured out my FoT email address was wrong, I posted some older posts referencing David and my GT6 ( DP ) engine build...so, a belated Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all my pals on FoT!!
Racing with the Corinthian Vintage Racing group last November, I was on hand when one of my fellow racers, Herb Hilton ( Pinnacle Racing ) somehow got off track and AIRBORN upside down at least 6 feet in the air. Now, Herb, who is very very fast and well prepared in his now totaled Sprite Midget ( Spridget ) is kind of admired and looked up to in my group and club... fortunately all his safety gear worked even though he landed upside down too.
It made me acutely aware that ANY of us who race can find ourselves in a dangerous or fatal situation. When I purchased my GT6 from Bob Davis, there was the additional hardware to make the GT6 a full race cage... I know it will add weight, and I'm already struggling to squeeze 198 pounds of lean mean training machine into the GT6... but.... I think I'm going to do it.... face it... anyone of us could get sideways at any time... heck... I know I've been close in three years of racing... so, it won't make me faster but I know it will make me safer....  gonna do it before February race if I can squeeze it into my fab shop...
Be safe....  Bobby Whitehead  


From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Sun Jan  3 19:27:58 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:27:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fw: GT6 build
In-Reply-To: <85807.72382.qm@web180711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <85807.72382.qm@web180711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B41522E.4020008@cfl.rr.com>

Bobby,

Ric Cline is a GT6 engine guru. He built and raced some of the fastest 
back in the early 70's. He did the cam in the engine you run now. He can 
tell you what works and what doesn't work in a GT6 engine. He is near me 
here in Florida.

352 429 3821

Bobby Whitehead wrote:
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> From: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
> To:
> FoT Triumph <fot-request at autox.team.net>
> Cc: David Bonito
> <triumphracing2 at aol.com>
> Sent: Wed, December 23, 2009 10:44:07 AM
> Subject: GT6
> build
>
>
> putting parts together for my 'spare' engine for the race car... 
> there's a guy David Bonito ( triumphracing2 at aol.com ) I've bought some parts
> from. He's directed me towards the PI head that apparently came on a few GT6's
> for some reason and I happened to have one... ref: eBay 350288944226 ... I've
> bought his SS valves and Crane Cam Springs, as I want to do the head first,
> then the block.
> My next quest is a race cam, lifters, and push rods. TSI? Who
> can help with a purchase on these? I'm shooting for stability and power, maybe
> 12.5 to 1 compression.    Years ago I bought a set of GT6 pistons and rods on
> eBay...   they are 20 over POP UP pistons. Anybody used the pop up pistons in
> a race car? I thought (sophomore thinking) that with the pop up pistons and
> the PI head with the larger combustion chamber I could have the start of an
> engine build... I do have several blocks laying around..  complete... looking
> for some help if you guys have the time...
> Merry Christmas to all....  Bobby
> Whitehead 1970GT6+ DP CVAR...
> _______________________________________________
>
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From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Mon Jan  4 03:15:55 2010
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:15:55 +1100
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
Message-ID: <CDFE9B76349C4F71BB4645DA28B5A6F8@GEOFFPC>

Amici
Does any know the correct torque for the bolts holding the 2 halves of a TR6
brake caliper
Geoff Byrne
TR6 racer down under


From robertten1 at aol.com  Mon Jan  4 06:44:19 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 08:44:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
In-Reply-To: <CDFE9B76349C4F71BB4645DA28B5A6F8@GEOFFPC>
References: <CDFE9B76349C4F71BB4645DA28B5A6F8@GEOFFPC>
Message-ID: <8CC5B5B25C9A152-5CB8-15B2C@webmail-d023.sysops.aol.com>

 Geoff,

Know anyone with a Machinist Handbook ?  Look up the bolt size and use the
recommended torque for that bolt.  That's what I went by for the calipers on
my Spitfire, since its torque is not listed in any of my repair manuals.  I
hope you used new cross-over seal before buttoning it all back together.

Best of Luck,
Bob T





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To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:15 am
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque


Amici
Does any know the correct torque for the bolts holding the 2 halves of a TR6
brake caliper
Geoff Byrne
TR6 racer down under
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jan  4 08:23:23 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:23:23 +0100
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1001041006220.5514@isis.mit.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu><3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
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@ all

Thank you very much for the very detailed descriptions and links.
I really have now a lot more knowledge about the SCCA classes.

Here in Europe the classes are like this way.
A to H indicates the period.
Tr3 is E - before '61
TR4 is F - after '61
TR6 is G - after '65
And so on.
All period classes have rules about the modifications they can make.

Each class is separated by engine capathity and if it is a sports car, GT,
touring car, formula racer.

Quite different I would say.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Robert M. Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu]
Gesendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 16:14
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] EP DP and so on

On Sun, 3 Jan 2010, MadMarx wrote:

> I've several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers.
> What does they indicate?

The answer actually depends, but in short - these are the class
designation for the car.

In road racing, the "P" stands for "production" and there is a set of
rules that defines what mods you can (and cannot) do to the car...
presently, in SCCA, there is EP, FP, GP. At one time, there was AP through
HP with the primary distinction being the displacement of the engine.

In autocross, the "P" stands for "Prepared". The rules (again) dictate
what mods are allowed and are not allowed. In SCCA presently there is XP,
CP, DP, EP, FP.

If you see a road racer with DP, it's based on the rules from back before
about 1983 when there was a big rules change. "Big" 4 cylinder Triumphs
(not Spitfire) run in EP if they have less than 2 liters displacement and
DP if they have more than 2 liters. 6 cylinder Triumphs presently run in
EP, but in the past ran CP if they were fuel injected (or with triple DCOE
Webers) and DP if they ran the twin strombergs. Spitfire runs in FP or GP
(and back in the day they also would have run in HP if they were running
the 1147 motor).

Bottom line: it's a class designation.

I hope this helps!

> Cheers
> Chris

regards,
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Mon Jan  4 08:52:15 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:52:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Last Call - FOT Sponsorship of uncle jack memorial ad in Burt
 Levy's book
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701C98@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Hi all,



This is the last call for anyone else who'd like to contribute to the
FOT's sponsorship of a memorial ad for uncle jack in Burt's next
installment of the Buddy Palumbo series.  Thanks for all of you who have
contributed to date!  With a few more bux, we'll have enough for a
1/2-page ad!



You have options as to how you can contribute if you're so inclined.
You can contact Burt by e-mail at thinkfast at mindspring.com  and let him
know how much you'd like to contribute and he'll send you a PayPal
invoice.  Or you can call him at (708) 383-7203 and he'll do the same.
Or you can send him  a check at Think Fast Ink, 1010 Lake Street, Oak
Park IL  60301.  Make sure to let him know this is part of the FOT
contribution.



Or you can send your check to me and I'll ship it to Burt with the rest.
My address is Scott Barr, 2401 East Enterprise Ave., Appleton WI
54913-7887.



Thanks!

Scott


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Mon Jan  4 09:36:36 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:36:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
Message-ID: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net>

I've been running 20-50 Brad Penn (high zinc) for the last season, but  
as I'm about to order some for the upcoming season, I'm wondering  
whether the engine really needs 20-50, as opposed to 10-40.  Used  
exclusively for racing, engine with fairly tight bearing clearances  
(when assembled).

Thoughts? 


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Jan  4 10:28:54 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:28:54 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
In-Reply-To: <8CC5B5B25C9A152-5CB8-15B2C@webmail-d023.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CDFE9B76349C4F71BB4645DA28B5A6F8@GEOFFPC>
	<8CC5B5B25C9A152-5CB8-15B2C@webmail-d023.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <6BC7D4C1-99BE-423C-BBC1-A259B11B1219@earthlink.net>

I just did this a couple weeks ago.  Pice of cake, just watch out for  
squirting brake fluid when you push the pistons in (while wiggling  
them out).  Don't ask how I know this.

Here's the link from the FOT archives with torque specs:

http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2006-04/msg00346.html

~Steve





On Jan 4, 2010, at 5:44 AM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote:

> Geoff,
>
> Know anyone with a Machinist Handbook ?  Look up the bolt size and  
> use the
> recommended torque for that bolt.  That's what I went by for the  
> calipers on
> my Spitfire, since its torque is not listed in any of my repair  
> manuals.  I
> hope you used new cross-over seal before buttoning it all back  
> together.
>
> Best of Luck,
> Bob T
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Byrne <gkbyrne at optushome.com.au>
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:15 am
> Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
>
>
> Amici
> Does any know the correct torque for the bolts holding the 2 halves  
> of a TR6
> brake caliper
> Geoff Byrne
> TR6 racer down under
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jan  4 10:47:47 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:47:47 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
In-Reply-To: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net>
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <03c601ca8d66$097873f0$1c695bd0$@com>

Take a Mobil 5w50 oil. It is doing okay.

Cheers
Chris

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Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Scott Janzen
Gesendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 17:37
An: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: [Fot] Oil weights?

I've been running 20-50 Brad Penn (high zinc) for the last season, but
as I'm about to order some for the upcoming season, I'm wondering
whether the engine really needs 20-50, as opposed to 10-40.  Used
exclusively for racing, engine with fairly tight bearing clearances
(when assembled).

Thoughts?
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Jan  4 11:44:46 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:44:46 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
In-Reply-To: <03c601ca8d66$097873f0$1c695bd0$@com>
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net>
	<03c601ca8d66$097873f0$1c695bd0$@com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A08002DDC9D@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

I could be wrong but I think that the 20-50W oils like Valvoline VR1 have
added the zinc back in, but formulations graded less than 20W have not. I
think that once they took the zinc out, the engines damage began to occur,
word got out and eventually sales got hurt.  Since the 20-50W oils are to be
used in late model cars that could have emissions components damaged the oil
companies probably saw the light and put the zinc back in. I'd make sure that
any 5 or 10w oil had the zinc or I'd add it. The cheap solution in VR1, as it
now costs the same as most good oils, $3.99 a quart.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of MadMarx
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:48 AM
To: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?

Take a Mobil 5w50 oil. It is doing okay.

Cheers
Chris

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Auftrag von Scott Janzen
Gesendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 17:37
An: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: [Fot] Oil weights?

I've been running 20-50 Brad Penn (high zinc) for the last season, but
as I'm about to order some for the upcoming season, I'm wondering
whether the engine really needs 20-50, as opposed to 10-40.  Used
exclusively for racing, engine with fairly tight bearing clearances
(when assembled).

Thoughts?
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Jan  4 11:47:21 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:47:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] O/D
In-Reply-To: <B2.4B.08392.E641C3B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
References: <B2.4B.08392.E641C3B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1001041345150.5514@isis.mit.edu>

On Wed, 30 Dec 2009, Randall wrote:

>>> But does that give you the 0.80 overdrive gear?
>>
>> NO, but a 3.45 gear in the diff does.
>
> Only if your math isn't so good.  3.45/3.70 = .93, not .80

Correct, my bad.

However, 4.10 / 3.45 is approx .84 which is very close to a 4.10 and an 
A-type O/D.

> Randall

regards,
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Mon Jan  4 12:42:57 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:42:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
References: <CDFE9B76349C4F71BB4645DA28B5A6F8@GEOFFPC>
Message-ID: <001e01ca8d76$1e921d30$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Hi, By my notes, there could be two different sized bolts.
  7/16 bolts get torqued to 75 ft/lb and 3/8 bolts tightened to 45 ft/lb.
  Also you probably found out that the "O" ring between the halves is not in
the caliper overhaul kit and must be bought seperately. At least from my
sources.
  Also you probably know that there are two different style bolts holding
the caliper to the spindle. Both 7/16 thread but the later (metric) has a
taper in it. Gee, how do I know this?!
  Good luck; hope this makes sense.
  Bill -- Original Message -----
  From: "Geoff Byrne" <gkbyrne at optushome.com.au>
  To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:15 AM
  Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque


  > Amici
  > Does any know the correct torque for the bolts holding the 2 halves of a
TR6
  > brake caliper
  > Geoff Byrne
  > TR6 racer down under
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Jan  4 16:31:02 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:31:02 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky>

"Used exclusively for racing"? I've got one word for ya:

Synthetic.

When you get a new engine or fresh rebuild, put the "mineral oil" in for 
break-in -- at least one race session, one autocross, or a nice long dyno 
run. Then drain and replace it with the synthetic.

Is synthetic pricey? Sure. What's your engine worth?

20-50 vs. 10-40? If 20-50 is overkill, so what? But if 10-40 proves not 
enough, uh-oh! Worst-case scenario, with the heavier oil it might be hard to 
start on a cold day. With the lighter oil it might not do the job causing 
expensive repair.

BTW, if you don't already have one, put an Accusump in. Mine probably saved 
my engine when I ripped off my oil cooler last October. That worst-case 
scenario above assumes an Accusump so even with 20-50 you still have 
pressure in the engine before you start it.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:36 AM
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?


> I've been running 20-50 Brad Penn (high zinc) for the last season, but
> as I'm about to order some for the upcoming season, I'm wondering
> whether the engine really needs 20-50, as opposed to 10-40.  Used
> exclusively for racing, engine with fairly tight bearing clearances
> (when assembled).
>
> Thoughts?


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Jan  4 17:29:31 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:29:31 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
In-Reply-To: <ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky>
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net>
	<ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky>
Message-ID: <FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com>

> 20-50 vs. 10-40? If 20-50 is overkill, so what?

What about the power lost pumping that heavier oil around?  That's the whole
reason for the push to thinner oils for modern cars, they help improve fuel
mileage by reducing losses within the motor.

-- Randall  


From igofaster at att.net  Mon Jan  4 17:40:56 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:40:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] member recommendation
Message-ID: <933473.84298.qm@web180715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I recommended a member the other day, David Bonito, seems I would like to suspend my recommendation till further notice. I placed an order with him for a cam and cam bearings in December. He seemed to need a sale by the end of the year and I assumed he had the parts in stock... not so...

Bobby Whitehead
CVAR DP Group7 Triumph GT6+


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Jan  4 19:23:42 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:23:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net><ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky>
	<FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com>
Message-ID: <7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky>

Reasonable point.

Of course, a race is not an economy run so you don't really care about fuel 
mileage other than having enough to reach the checker. Power loss is another 
thing altogether. Depends on your priorities, I guess. If I had the budget 
that my primary focus was on winning, then presumably I could afford to go 
through a few engines, or rebuilds, to find the optimum oiling scheme. But 
as Clay Reggazoni said: "To win is nice; to race is enough." I just want to 
get out there, race with whomever is about my speed, and have fun driving my 
car. It's important to keep it in one piece (you get aggressive with me in a 
corner, I'll probably chicken out and let ya have it) so I can race it again 
next time.

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randall" <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
To: "''Friends of Triumph'Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?


>> 20-50 vs. 10-40? If 20-50 is overkill, so what?
>
> What about the power lost pumping that heavier oil around?  That's the 
> whole
> reason for the push to thinner oils for modern cars, they help improve 
> fuel
> mileage by reducing losses within the motor.
>
> -- Randall


From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com  Mon Jan  4 20:53:34 2010
From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:53:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC content, scale model running chevy V-8
In-Reply-To: <000b01ca8cad$f89ed4b0$e9dc7e10$@com>
References: <000b01ca8cad$f89ed4b0$e9dc7e10$@com>
Message-ID: <4B42B7BE.4080007@twcny.rr.com>

When I saw the V8 I was reminded of this Ferrari  that circulated before 
Youtube. Someone posted it on youtube. Just amazing....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxYRa0pqxlw


M


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Jan  4 21:28:44 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:28:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
In-Reply-To: <7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky>
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net><ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky><FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com>
	<7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky>
Message-ID: <4510F5742CAD475A87E816405D452EE1@hal9000>

I thought true synthetics we
bad for our Flat Tappet Motors
? 
Jim G

-----Original Message-----
From:
fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team
.net] On Behalf Of Rocky
Entriken
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010
7:24 PM
To: Randall; ''Friends of
Triumph'Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil
weights?

Reasonable point.

Of course, a race is not an
economy run so you don't
really care about fuel 
mileage other than having
enough to reach the checker.
Power loss is another 
thing altogether. Depends on
your priorities, I guess. If I
had the budget 
that my primary focus was on
winning, then presumably I
could afford to go 
through a few engines, or
rebuilds, to find the optimum
oiling scheme. But 
as Clay Reggazoni said: "To
win is nice; to race is
enough." I just want to 
get out there, race with
whomever is about my speed,
and have fun driving my 
car. It's important to keep it
in one piece (you get
aggressive with me in a 
corner, I'll probably chicken
out and let ya have it) so I
can race it again 
next time.

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randall"
<tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
To: "''Friends of
Triumph'Triumph'"
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010
6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil
weights?


>> 20-50 vs. 10-40? If 20-50
is overkill, so what?
>
> What about the power lost
pumping that heavier oil
around?  That's the 
> whole
> reason for the push to
thinner oils for modern cars,
they help improve 
> fuel
> mileage by reducing losses
within the motor.
>
> -- Randall
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon Jan  4 21:45:59 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:45:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
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This is just my opinion, but unless you are going for an SCCA National
Championship, and running 15 races a year, and are touching up the valves
after every event, and pulling the crank every other event, you won't even
notice the difference in performance between the 10w-40 and 20w-50.  Go with
the extra protection and longevity and be happy.  There are better ways to
shave .001 second a lap.

Terry Stetler


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Mon Jan  4 23:05:54 2010
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 00:05:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A08002DDC9D@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca8dcd$243e8690$6401a8c0@blake1>

>From the data available on the Valvoline website, there does not appear
to be a difference in zinc and phosphorus content between grades of the
VR1 SM oil.  All are listed at 0.14/0.13 (don't know the units). Follow
this link for a product data sheet.

http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/VR-1_Racing_Motor_Oil.pdf

I could not find the same level of detail on their synthetic racing oil.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Kramer, Robert
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:45 PM
To: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?

I could be wrong but I think that the 20-50W oils like Valvoline VR1
have
added the zinc back in, but formulations graded less than 20W have not.
I
think that once they took the zinc out, the engines damage began to
occur,
word got out and eventually sales got hurt.  Since the 20-50W oils are
to be
used in late model cars that could have emissions components damaged the
oil
companies probably saw the light and put the zinc back in. I'd make sure
that
any 5 or 10w oil had the zinc or I'd add it. The cheap solution in VR1,
as it
now costs the same as most good oils, $3.99 a quart.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf
Of MadMarx
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:48 AM
To: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?

Take a Mobil 5w50 oil. It is doing okay.

Cheers
Chris

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Gesendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 17:37
An: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: [Fot] Oil weights?

I've been running 20-50 Brad Penn (high zinc) for the last season, but
as I'm about to order some for the upcoming season, I'm wondering
whether the engine really needs 20-50, as opposed to 10-40.  Used
exclusively for racing, engine with fairly tight bearing clearances
(when assembled).

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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Jan  5 07:51:00 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:51:00 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
References: <000001ca8dcd$243e8690$6401a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <49C799D330E8436EA306F9B0747D01B1@latitudefb1e41>

I compared that to what is listed at the Brad Penn site. They have .15 zinc, 
.14 phosphorus in all but the 0W-30. The VR1 is .14 zinc and.13 phosphorus 
for all viscocities. I think both these numbers are good enough for flat 
tappet cam use and for the difference in price and ease of purchase I'll 
stick with the VR1.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?


> >From the data available on the Valvoline website, there does not appear
> to be a difference in zinc and phosphorus content between grades of the
> VR1 SM oil.  All are listed at 0.14/0.13 (don't know the units). Follow
> this link for a product data sheet.
>
> http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/VR-1_Racing_Motor_Oil.pdf
>
> I could not find the same level of detail on their synthetic racing oil.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Kramer, Robert
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:45 PM
> To: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?
>
> I could be wrong but I think that the 20-50W oils like Valvoline VR1
> have
> added the zinc back in, but formulations graded less than 20W have not.
> I
> think that once they took the zinc out, the engines damage began to
> occur,
> word got out and eventually sales got hurt.  Since the 20-50W oils are
> to be
> used in late model cars that could have emissions components damaged the
> oil
> companies probably saw the light and put the zinc back in. I'd make sure
> that
> any 5 or 10w oil had the zinc or I'd add it. The cheap solution in VR1,
> as it
> now costs the same as most good oils, $3.99 a quart.
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sales Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35
> Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-272-4141
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf
> Of MadMarx
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:48 AM
> To: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?
>
> Take a Mobil 5w50 oil. It is doing okay.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Scott Janzen
> Gesendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 17:37
> An: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
> Betreff: [Fot] Oil weights?
>
> I've been running 20-50 Brad Penn (high zinc) for the last season, but
> as I'm about to order some for the upcoming season, I'm wondering
> whether the engine really needs 20-50, as opposed to 10-40.  Used
> exclusively for racing, engine with fairly tight bearing clearances
> (when assembled).
>
> Thoughts?
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Tue Jan  5 14:10:03 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:10:03 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net><ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky><FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com>
	<7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky>
	<4510F5742CAD475A87E816405D452EE1@hal9000>
Message-ID: <CFEF2544FAC4456F923E8737B40C286D@rocky>

I've not heard that. My engine builder (who's also a Spitfire racer) swears 
by the synthetic. He's who got me on it. I was using Valvoline Racing 
(mineral), then DuraBlend. He got me to full synthetic. But I still have 
Valvoline Racing on the shelf for break-ins.

--rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Gray" <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: "'Rocky Entriken'" <rocky at spitfire4.com>; "'Randall'" 
<tr3driver at ca.rr.com>; "''Friends of Triumph'Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:28 PM
Subject: RE: [Fot] Oil weights?


>I thought true synthetics we
> bad for our Flat Tappet Motors
> ?
> Jim G
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team
> .net] On Behalf Of Rocky
> Entriken
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010
> 7:24 PM
> To: Randall; ''Friends of
> Triumph'Triumph'
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil
> weights?
>
> Reasonable point.
>
> Of course, a race is not an
> economy run so you don't
> really care about fuel
> mileage other than having
> enough to reach the checker.
> Power loss is another
> thing altogether. Depends on
> your priorities, I guess. If I
> had the budget
> that my primary focus was on
> winning, then presumably I
> could afford to go
> through a few engines, or
> rebuilds, to find the optimum
> oiling scheme. But
> as Clay Reggazoni said: "To
> win is nice; to race is
> enough." I just want to
> get out there, race with
> whomever is about my speed,
> and have fun driving my
> car. It's important to keep it
> in one piece (you get
> aggressive with me in a
> corner, I'll probably chicken
> out and let ya have it) so I
> can race it again
> next time.
>
> --Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Randall"
> <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
> To: "''Friends of
> Triumph'Triumph'"
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010
> 6:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil
> weights?
>
>
>>> 20-50 vs. 10-40? If 20-50
> is overkill, so what?
>>
>> What about the power lost
> pumping that heavier oil
> around?  That's the
>> whole
>> reason for the push to
> thinner oils for modern cars,
> they help improve
>> fuel
>> mileage by reducing losses
> within the motor.
>>
>> -- Randall
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From tarch at bellsouth.net  Tue Jan  5 15:03:02 2010
From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:03:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Orange Bowl
In-Reply-To: <CFEF2544FAC4456F923E8737B40C286D@rocky>
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Message-ID: <EA2392AE423F40E88E76A1A0130E0259@richardiipc>

Joe A. and all the rest of you frozen yahoos out there in Iowa, watch out
for the sting of my Yellow Jackets tonight!


From riverside at southslope.net  Tue Jan  5 16:31:53 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:31:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Orange Bowl
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net><ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky><FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com><7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky><4510F5742CAD475A87E816405D452EE1@hal9000><CFEF2544FAC4456F923E8737B40C286D@rocky>
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We'll be seeing about that!!

art d

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Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:03 PM
Subject: [Fot] Orange Bowl


> Joe A. and all the rest of you frozen yahoos out there in Iowa, watch out
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jan  5 18:17:00 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:17:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] A bit before my time
Message-ID: <4B43E48C.70808@bradakis.com>

So for reasons I won't go into at the moment, but you'll likely
hear about them soon, I'm cleaning up a bunch of stuff in storage
and the shop.  One dusty old box is filled with vintage spark
plugs, Blue Crown brand.

I found an interesting slip of paper packed in one of the boxes.
On many occasions I feel old, but I think this predates me:

http://bradakis.com/Images/war_order.jpg


mjb.


From tlizzard at msn.com  Tue Jan  5 19:36:45 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:36:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A bit before my time
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Message-ID: <BAY116-DS220DEFEF4287AB5711844C3720@phx.gbl>

Blue Crown Spark Plugs were made in my home town of Defiance, Ohio.

They sponsored/equipped multiple Indy 500 winners.

They were very good plugs in the day.

Terry Stetler.
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  To: 'Friends of Triumph'<mailto:fot at autox.team.net> ;
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  Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:17 PM
  Subject: [Fot] A bit before my time


  So for reasons I won't go into at the moment, but you'll likely
  hear about them soon, I'm cleaning up a bunch of stuff in storage
  and the shop.  One dusty old box is filled with vintage spark
  plugs, Blue Crown brand.

  I found an interesting slip of paper packed in one of the boxes.
  On many occasions I feel old, but I think this predates me:

  http://bradakis.com/Images/war_order.jpg<http://bradakis.com/Images/war_ord
er.jpg>


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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Tue Jan  5 19:36:05 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 02:36:05 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
Message-ID: <20100105.213605.20553.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com>

Synthetics like Mobil 1 don't have the zinc and phosphorus needed for the flat
tappets.  I ran Mobil 1 at one time and did have some cam wear.   I know
others on the list are using Mobil 1.  At one point Chevy was not warrantying
some motors if Mobil 1 was used.  I changed to Redline for a couple of years
and now am using Joe Gibbs.  The Joe Gibbs is made specifically for flat
tappet motors.  The viscosity to use is based on bearing clearances.  The Joe
Gibbs oil is expensive (about $10-$12/quart), but so is a new cam or engine.
I also use the Brad Penn break in oil when breaking in new motors.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jim Gray" <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: "'Rocky Entriken'" <rocky at spitfire4.com>, "'Randall'"
<tr3driver at ca.rr.com>, "''Friends of Triumph'Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:28:44 -0700

I thought true synthetics we
bad for our Flat Tappet Motors
?
Jim G


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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jan  5 19:51:21 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:51:21 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
In-Reply-To: <CFEF2544FAC4456F923E8737B40C286D@rocky>
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net>
	<ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky>
	<FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com>
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	<CFEF2544FAC4456F923E8737B40C286D@rocky>
Message-ID: <20100106025133.48132187683@autox.team.net>

Valvoline VR1 Synthetic Racing Oil has plenty of the ZDDP stuff for 
flat tappet engines.  I can't locate the spec sheet at the moment, 
but the blurb from their website says:
"High zinc/phosphorus for extreme anti-wear, including flat tappets"

I use the Dino juice version of the VR1 for breakin and then the 
synthetic version for racing.  Bearings and cam have looked perfect 
with that combination.

My understanding is that the Mobil 1 synthetic sold in the USA 
followed the EPA recommendations and reduced  their  ZDDP content, 
killing some race motors and giving synthetic a bad name.

Brad Penn, Redline and Joe Gibbs oils have plenty of ZDDP too - and 
are more expensive than Valvoline.

- Tony Drews

At 03:10 PM 1/5/2010, Rocky Entriken wrote:
>I've not heard that. My engine builder (who's also a Spitfire racer) 
>swears by the synthetic. He's who got me on it. I was using 
>Valvoline Racing (mineral), then DuraBlend. He got me to full 
>synthetic. But I still have Valvoline Racing on the shelf for break-ins.
>
>--rocky
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gray" <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
>To: "'Rocky Entriken'" <rocky at spitfire4.com>; "'Randall'" 
><tr3driver at ca.rr.com>; "''Friends of Triumph'Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:28 PM
>Subject: RE: [Fot] Oil weights?
>
>
>>I thought true synthetics we
>>bad for our Flat Tappet Motors
>>?
>>Jim G
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:
>>fot-bounces at autox.team.net
>>[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team
>> > .net] On Behalf Of Rocky
>>Entriken
>>Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010
>>7:24 PM
>>To: Randall; ''Friends of
>>Triumph'Triumph'
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil
>>weights?
>>
>>Reasonable point.
>>
>>Of course, a race is not an
>>economy run so you don't
>>really care about fuel
>>mileage other than having
>>enough to reach the checker.
>>Power loss is another
>>thing altogether. Depends on
>>your priorities, I guess. If I
>>had the budget
>>that my primary focus was on
>>winning, then presumably I
>>could afford to go
>>through a few engines, or
>>rebuilds, to find the optimum
>>oiling scheme. But
>>as Clay Reggazoni said: "To
>>win is nice; to race is
>>enough." I just want to
>>get out there, race with
>>whomever is about my speed,
>>and have fun driving my
>>car. It's important to keep it
>>in one piece (you get
>>aggressive with me in a
>>corner, I'll probably chicken
>>out and let ya have it) so I
>>can race it again
>>next time.
>>
>>--Rocky
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall"
>><tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
>>To: "''Friends of
>>Triumph'Triumph'"
>><fot at autox.team.net>
>>Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010
>>6:29 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil
>>weights?
>>
>>
>>>>20-50 vs. 10-40? If 20-50
>>is overkill, so what?
>>>
>>>What about the power lost
>>pumping that heavier oil
>>around?  That's the
>>>whole
>>>reason for the push to
>>thinner oils for modern cars,
>>they help improve
>>>fuel
>>>mileage by reducing losses
>>within the motor.
>>>
>>>-- Randall
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From kaskas at cox.net  Fri Jan  1 14:00:44 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 13:00:44 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery
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Way back in the beginning of the TR-2 there was along extension onto the 
radiator.  It proved to not work too well as this vibrated and cracked at 
the radiator tank (my car 1954) and all the water fell out on the ground. 
Maybe work and last better if you plan a support.

In all my cars on the 1958-1972 era of Triumphs I had no header tank, filled 
the system through the heater hose connection at the back of the head from a 
tall filler funnel (about a foot high) and kept the petcock on the thermo 
housing open until water shot out, closed the petcock, then quickly pull out 
the funnel and replaced the plug.  this eliminated all air in the system 
which is paramount.Never lost any water expect when a head gasket was blown 
and nothing would have helped that condition.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Vucinic" <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
To: "'Henry Frye'" <henry at henryfrye.com>
Cc: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery


> Henry,
>
> Happy New Year to you also!
>
>
>
> I have a very similar system to yourself as you described. I too fitted a
> bleed port on the thermostat housing to minimize air in the system. I am
> sort of wondering now why no one has looked at designing an extended 
> filler
> neck arrangement to replace the thermostat housing? Maybe this will fix 
> the
> 2 glaring issue with the current stock setup of too low a fill point and 
> air
> bleeding? I started thinking about this option today when I sat down and
> looked at all the components etc. I would need to fit a recovery system.
> Maybe the filler neck will do the job nicely and save allot of plumbing!
>
>
>
> Cheers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Henry Frye [mailto:henry at henryfrye.com]
> Sent: Friday, 1 January 2010 9:06 PM
> To: Peter Vucinic
> Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery
>
>
>
> Peter,
>
> I don't think there is a concensus on coolant system plumbing. I have seen
> successful installations that range from what appears to be quite stock to
> much more radical approaches than you are describing.
>
> I guess it all depends on how much power you are making and how hard you
> drive it.
>
> I make as much power as the rest of the fast TR's in the east and mid-west
> USA, and drive very hard. Fastest and first in class TR4 at the Kastner 
> Cup
> race in 2008 at Watkins Glen. Here's what I do...
>
> I block off water passages in the front of the head to direct more flow to
> the back of the block, run an oversized radiator with a stock recovery
> overflow bottle, a 16 pound radiator cap, no expansion tank and have plugs
> in the heater box tap and heater pipe outlet in the water pump. I 
> installed
> a petcock in the thermostat housing to purge air from the system when
> filling, and run a 185 degree thermostat to keep enough heat in the engine
> no matter what season I am racing in. Works great.
>
> I know it's old news for you guys down under, but Happy New Year!
>
> Henry Frye  -  Sent from Phone
> Triumph Technology Consultants
> 860.508.3118 (C) - 860.653.3118 (O)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Vucinic <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 6:01 AM
> To: FOT at autox.team.net <FOT at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery
>
> Lister's,
>
>
>
> I believe that we have already seen a few threads on this subject. But I 
> am
> seeking general consensus on the plumbing/routing of coolant lines to and
> from a coolant system recovery/expansion tank/bottle for the TR4.
>
>
>
> Obviously I am making the following assumptions: -
>
> 1.    Expansion/recovery tank will be mounted higher than the cylinder 
> head.
> Say, on the firewall next to the battery
>
> 2.    Existing Radiator cap to be of the fixed/closed type
>
> 3.    Coolant system over pressure will now be controlled by radiator cap
> fitted to expansion/recovery tank
>
> 4.    Coolant total loss will now occur at the expansion tank due to over
> pressure
>
>
>
> My questions are: -
>
> 1.    Are any of you already running a system such as the above? 
> Successful
> in controlling air into the coolant circuit/system?
>
> 2.    Where is the most appropriate connection to the coolant expansion
> recovery tank made? E.g. At the heater tap port and the back of the water
> pump? Thermostat housing? Radiator top hose/port?
>
> 3.    Do you have an air bleed orifice/port in this cooling circuit/system
> as well?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Jan  5 21:08:36 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:08:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Jeff Gordon fires entire pit crew!
Message-ID: <B761EA47824C48359A8DE2127113D991@hal9000>

In this morning's  news, Jeff
Gordon fires entire pit crew! 

 

This announcement followed
Gordon's  decision to take
advantage of President Obama's
proposal to employ Harlem
youngsters. 

 

The decision to hire them was
brought about by a recent
documentary on how unemployed
youths from Harlem  were able
to remove a set of wheels in
less than 6 seconds without
proper  equipment, whereas
Gordon's existing crew could
only do it in 8 seconds with
thousands of dollars worth of
high tech  equipment. 

 

It was thought to be an
excellent  and bold move by
Gordon's management team as
most races are won or lost in
the  pits. 

 

At the crew's first practice
session, not only was the
inexperienced crew able to
change all 4 wheels in  under
6 seconds, but within 12
seconds they had changed the
paint scheme,  altered the VIN
number, and sold the car to
Dale Jr. for 10 cases of Bud,
a  bag of weed and some photos
of Jeff Gordon's wife in the
shower.


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jan  6 01:11:07 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:11:07 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
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I know that I'm boring you all with telling you again that flat grinding of
my tappets did cure all cam trouble I had before regardless what oil is
used.
All tappets rotate nicely, have an even contact face and the lobes do show
an very even and smooth surface.
The flat tappets because of their flat surface use the whole lobe width
while crowned tappets only have a very thin contact patch.
Even modern cars like a BMW do have dead flat shims on their cams that do
work fine and have no wear.

I really recommend you to use dead flat tappets and you will find that all
trouble with wear will disappear.

If you like I can post photos of my current tappets that have run two racing
seasons and about 3000 mls everyday traffic.

A history note:
I bought a 310 degree cam in year 2007 and installed it with new tappets in
year 2008. After the first race the head gasket went away and I had to open
the engine again. I had a look on the tappets and found 3 of them with
pitting and lobe #7 had a little damage on its tip. The correspond tappet
was scrapped. Then I took all the tappets to the machine shop and ground the
flat, installed them again and since then they are in use and even lobe #7
has no further damage an remains in the same condition as it was. For me a
clear sign that the way with the domed tappets is a dead end for our
engines. The symptom might be cured by the zinc contained in oil but ask
yourself:
Why did a Triumph camshaft last maybe 30 year and modern cams fail after a
short usage, readable in several Triumph forums. I have NOS lifters and they
ARE flat. Why not using them as they came from the factory?

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Joe Boruch
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Januar 2010 03:36
An: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Cc: tr3driver at ca.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?

Synthetics like Mobil 1 don't have the zinc and phosphorus needed for the
flat
tappets.  I ran Mobil 1 at one time and did have some cam wear.   I know
others on the list are using Mobil 1.  At one point Chevy was not
warrantying
some motors if Mobil 1 was used.  I changed to Redline for a couple of years
and now am using Joe Gibbs.  The Joe Gibbs is made specifically for flat
tappet motors.  The viscosity to use is based on bearing clearances.  The
Joe
Gibbs oil is expensive (about $10-$12/quart), but so is a new cam or engine.
I also use the Brad Penn break in oil when breaking in new motors.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jim Gray" <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: "'Rocky Entriken'" <rocky at spitfire4.com>, "'Randall'"
<tr3driver at ca.rr.com>, "''Friends of Triumph'Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:28:44 -0700

I thought true synthetics we
bad for our Flat Tappet Motors
?
Jim G


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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jan  6 03:02:32 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:02:32 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
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>From Buckeyes Triumph:
Girling "split" calipers should not be separated for any reason.  They were
not designed for separation and reassembly and proper torque specifications
are not known, other than the inner and out bolts are torqued differently.
The inside bolts are 7/16" diameter and the outside bolts are 3/8" diameter.

I torqued the outside 3/8" bolts to 40 ft-lbs and the inside 7/16" bolts to
70 ft-lbs.


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Gesendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 11:16
An: FOT
Betreff: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque

Amici
Does any know the correct torque for the bolts holding the 2 halves of a TR6
brake caliper
Geoff Byrne
TR6 racer down under
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Jan  6 06:21:53 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:21:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
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I  surmise from my own factory/corporate background that TORQUE SPECS and
Replacement Seals were not readily available to the general public because of
liability issues with critical components.




-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, Jan 6, 2010 4:02 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque


>From Buckeyes Triumph:
irling "split" calipers should not be separated for any reason.  They were
ot designed for separation and reassembly and proper torque specifications
re not known, other than the inner and out bolts are torqued differently.
he inside bolts are 7/16" diameter and the outside bolts are 3/8" diameter.
I torqued the outside 3/8" bolts to 40 ft-lbs and the inside 7/16" bolts to
0 ft-lbs.

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esendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 11:16
n: FOT
etreff: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
Amici
oes any know the correct torque for the bolts holding the 2 halves of a TR6
rake caliper
eoff Byrne
R6 racer down under
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Wed Jan  6 07:26:13 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 08:26:13 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
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In case anyone doesn't know it the caliper split seals are sold by BPNW.

Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
excellence.
Vince Lombardi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque


>I  surmise from my own factory/corporate background that TORQUE SPECS and
> Replacement Seals were not readily available to the general public because 
> of
> liability issues with critical components.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wed, Jan 6, 2010 4:02 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
>
>
>>From Buckeyes Triumph:
> irling "split" calipers should not be separated for any reason.  They were
> ot designed for separation and reassembly and proper torque specifications
> re not known, other than the inner and out bolts are torqued differently.
> he inside bolts are 7/16" diameter and the outside bolts are 3/8" 
> diameter.
> I torqued the outside 3/8" bolts to 40 ft-lbs and the inside 7/16" bolts 
> to
> 0 ft-lbs.
>
> ----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> on: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> uftrag von Geoff Byrne
> esendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 11:16
> n: FOT
> etreff: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
> Amici
> oes any know the correct torque for the bolts holding the 2 halves of a 
> TR6
> rake caliper
> eoff Byrne
> R6 racer down under
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Jan  6 07:53:32 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:53:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Orange Bowl
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i dont know about no stinkin' yellow jackets, but this yahoo is basking in the
relative warmth of NYC at 35 degrees.





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Sent: Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:03 pm
Subject: [Fot] Orange Bowl


Joe A. and all the rest of you frozen yahoos out there in Iowa, watch out
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 09:04:44 2010
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:04:44 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Limited slip diff group buy
Message-ID: <4B44B49C.1010706@gmail.com>

I'm writing this for Ken Galanders of British Frame & engine ( 
www.britishframeandengine.com ) as his computer has been acting up recently.

Ken wants to know if there is enough interest in a group purchase of 
limited slip differentials to get a quantity discount. Please email him 
directly ( bfeken at copper.net ) if you are interested in a January 
purchase and are willing to put an estimated 50% down on a preorder.

-------
The patent for the highly regarded Salisbury limited slip differential 
has expired and a company called TRAN-X has taken the Salisbury design, 
improved upon it and is offering new higher quality limited slips for 
less than the older Salisbury's sold for.  We are talking about a better 
diff for less money.

from their web site:  "Manufactured and built by Tran-X the Salisbury 
English LSD has been used in every form of Motorsport over the years. 
FIA approved this is arguably the most popular differential in 
Motorsport over the last 20 years and its versatile appeal means we can 
set your LSD up to suit your application perfectly.

We have further improved the design by eliminating the need for cross 
pins, which can be damaged if a half shaft fails inflicting major damage 
to the entire LSD. This new design allows the planet gears to actually 
run in ramp angle block meaning the LSD performs to the same high level 
but removes the need for costly rebuilds if a half shaft fails."

If you are seriously interested in a high quality limited slip at a good 
price, please contact Ken directly bfeken at copper.net

Teriann


From tedtsimx at bright.net  Wed Jan  6 09:25:55 2010
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:25:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
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	<89157E82D6E648188F33B730F2FA68F5@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <4B44B993.40607@bright.net>

We also sell caliper seals. but for $69.95 each (exchange) we have 
rebuilt calipers. Done by a professional rebuild shop with warranty. Ted


Bob Kramer wrote:
> In case anyone doesn't know it the caliper split seals are sold by BPNW.
>
> Bob Kramer
> Volente, TX
>
> Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
> excellence.
> Vince Lombardi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> To: <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
>
>
>> I  surmise from my own factory/corporate background that TORQUE SPECS 
>> and
>> Replacement Seals were not readily available to the general public 
>> because of
>> liability issues with critical components.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Sent: Wed, Jan 6, 2010 4:02 am
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
>>
>>
>>> From Buckeyes Triumph:
>> irling "split" calipers should not be separated for any reason.  They 
>> were
>> ot designed for separation and reassembly and proper torque 
>> specifications
>> re not known, other than the inner and out bolts are torqued 
>> differently.
>> he inside bolts are 7/16" diameter and the outside bolts are 3/8" 
>> diameter.
>> I torqued the outside 3/8" bolts to 40 ft-lbs and the inside 7/16" 
>> bolts to
>> 0 ft-lbs.
>>
>> ----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>> on: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>> uftrag von Geoff Byrne
>> esendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 11:16
>> n: FOT
>> etreff: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
>> Amici
>> oes any know the correct torque for the bolts holding the 2 halves of 
>> a TR6
>> rake caliper
>> eoff Byrne
>> R6 racer down under
>> ou are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Wed Jan  6 10:06:44 2010
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:06:44 -0800
Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water
Message-ID: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>

So you remember they guy that drove his Bugatti in the water, here's the
action video.
Charly Mitchel


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaHi7WSc_po&feature=player_embedded


From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Jan  6 10:19:09 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:19:09 EST
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery
Message-ID: <bc5.5f4422b6.3876200d@aol.com>

In a message dated 01/05/2010 9:46:32 PM Central Standard Time, 
kaskas at cox.net writes:


> In all my cars on the 1958-1972 era of Triumphs I had no header tank, 
> filled 
> the system through the heater hose connection at the back of the head from 
> a 
> tall filler funnel (about a foot high) and kept the petcock on the thermo 
> housing open until water shot out, closed the petcock, then quickly pull 
> out 
> the funnel and replaced the plug.  this eliminated all air in the system 
> which is paramount.Never lost any water expect when a head gasket was 
> blown 
> and nothing would have helped that condition.
> 

Kas...

Seems to me I recall you saying that, in fact, this was something important 
enough that you did personally.

Bill Dentinger


From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Jan  6 11:47:52 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:47:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water
In-Reply-To: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>
References: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>
Message-ID: <6EAA3486673A4F8D959CB24BA9FB6948@joepentiumnew>

Word is, the guy was drunk when he bought the Bugatti and thought he was
getting this:

http://www.huliq.com/50690/rinspeed-creates-underwater-scuba-car

Joe C.

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To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water

So you remember they guy that drove his Bugatti in the water, here's the
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From riverside at southslope.net  Wed Jan  6 12:02:26 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:02:26 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Orange Bowl
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net><ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky><FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com><7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky><4510F5742CAD475A87E816405D452EE1@hal9000><CFEF2544FAC4456F923E8737B40C286D@rocky>
	<EA2392AE423F40E88E76A1A0130E0259@richardiipc>
Message-ID: <001001ca8f02$c98d07d0$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

How 'bout them Hawks!!!


art d
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To: "''Friends of Triumph'Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:03 PM
Subject: [Fot] Orange Bowl


> Joe A. and all the rest of you frozen yahoos out there in Iowa, watch out
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From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jan  6 12:23:50 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:23:50 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery
In-Reply-To: <bc5.5f4422b6.3876200d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100106142350.WYIIK.80989.imail@fed1rmwml28>

Yes, In allmy cars after each session, I owuld check the valve lash and the timing and make whatever mixture change was needed by plug reading.  The coolling system on every one of my cars was filled my ME. Nothing against the guys but if something failed I then at least knew who the lazy culpret was.
--
Never be beaten by equipment


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jan  6 13:14:03 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:14:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water
In-Reply-To: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>
References: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>
Message-ID: <0E10A45B03F344F8A74B1991B6922FB9@hal9000>

He thought that cruise control
meant auto-pilot
Jim G

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.net] On Behalf Of Charly
Mitchel
Sent: Wednesday, January 06,
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To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] YouTube -
bugatti veyron water

So you remember they guy that
drove his Bugatti in the
water, here's the
action video.
Charly Mitchel


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
=OaHi7WSc_po&feature=player_em
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Wed Jan  6 15:58:50 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:58:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water
In-Reply-To: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>
References: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>
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In the immortal words of Bugs Bunny...

What a Maroon.


Terry Stetler


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  Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water


  So you remember they guy that drove his Bugatti in the water, here's the
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  Charly Mitchel


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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Wed Jan  6 16:49:32 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:49:32 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Orange Bowl
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net><ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky><FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com><7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky><4510F5742CAD475A87E816405D452EE1@hal9000><CFEF2544FAC4456F923E8737B40C286D@rocky><EA2392AE423F40E88E76A1A0130E0259@richardiipc>
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Message-ID: <9B4215D2641A4A6A8102A14FB5113C8E@rocky>

Rock Chalk, Jayhawk!

#1

Cornell goes down tonight.

--Rocky E


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "riverside" <riverside at southslope.net>
To: "Richard Taylor" <tarch at bellsouth.net>; "''Friends ofTriumph'Triumph'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Orange Bowl


> How 'bout them Hawks!!!
>
>
> art d
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> To: "''Friends of Triumph'Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Wed Jan  6 17:40:32 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:40:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water
References: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>
	<BAY116-DS98F00896561CC99250738C3720@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00b101ca8f32$05500ef0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Or my favorite: Moe-Ron.
  Think Struther Martin in Butch Cassidy. "Moe-rons, I got Moe-rons on my
team."
  Armpit deep in snow here.
  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: "Terry Stetler" <tlizzard at msn.com>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water


  > In the immortal words of Bugs Bunny...
  >
  > What a Maroon.
  >
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  > Terry Stetler
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  >
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: Charly Mitchel<mailto:charly at mitchelplumbing.com>
  >   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  >   Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 12:06 PM
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  >   So you remember they guy that drove his Bugatti in the water, here's
the
  >   action video.
  >   Charly Mitchel
  >
  >
  >
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From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Jan  6 18:53:38 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 18:53:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water
In-Reply-To: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>
References: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>
Message-ID: <F44D554BFF6E4970B7C705EB1CC1B889@joepentiumnew>

Word is, the guy was drunk when he bought the Bugatti and thought he was
getting this:

http://www.huliq.com/50690/rinspeed-creates-underwater-scuba-car

Joe C.

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From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Charly Mitchel
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:07 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water

So you remember they guy that drove his Bugatti in the water, here's the
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Charly Mitchel


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From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Jan  6 18:54:49 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 18:54:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Recall:  YouTube - bugatti veyron water
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Wed Jan  6 22:12:18 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:12:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] ref:  Oil
Message-ID: <8CC5D6F1E8B3DAC-53B8-1082E@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com>

 Ihave been using Mobil1  15-50 Full Synthetic in my autocrosser with
nocomplaints.  Admittedly the engine doesn't see the use as much as youracers
but have seen a rev difference compared to the Valvolineblended.  In the ten
years of use, yes its time for a freshening up, Ihave found my valve
clearances have not opened up and everything underthe rocker cover is clean
and tidy.

So with all this chatter about the zinc and phosphates needed for ourolder
flat tappet engines I looked up the Mobil 1 Oil website to seewhats up with my
chosen oil.  The info there says the Full SyntheticMobil 1 has the additives
required for flat tappet cams.  Their FullSynthetic Mobil 1 Racing Oil has
more of these additives for fullcompetition engines but at noticeably lower
viscosity ratings.  If yougo to their site the full explanation about these
oils is there, also achart with all their oil products listed with detailed
specifics andcontents of each product.

Now to pick the winning lottery number to fund a complete engine teardown and
rebuild, maybe bigger pistons too !!

Wish you all luck,
Bob T


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Thu Jan  7 07:56:32 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 09:56:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Oil viscosity
References: <13F9A911B6F84CE8814DFBDEE48141A3@amdx2>
Message-ID: <778BFDA1-586E-4B66-A03E-6C173236F79F@comcast.net>

Some interesting reading on the Joe Gibbs site.  It leads me to  
believe that 20-50 is to "thick" for the bearing clearances in our  
racing engines, the horsepower they develop, and the oil temps.

Engine oil viscosity chart vs horsepower from Joe Gibbs Racing Oil.

http://www.joegibbsracingoil.com/trainingcenter/viscosity.html


From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net  Thu Jan  7 13:01:08 2010
From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:01:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW: Ed Brannon Passing
Message-ID: <4B463D84.40108@cyberspeedway.net>

    Very sad news. I know some of you knew Ed personally. Ed started 
racing in a TR4. He was always helpful to anyone who asked and was a 
great source of info. If you attend a Vintage race and there is a Lotus 
23 running, there is a good chance it was restored by Ed and Mark. Ed 
was a great influence on my life and the people who knew him. He will be 
greatly missed.

Greg Lund

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: FW: Ed Brannon Passing
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:15:55 -0800


It is with great sorrow to inform the Arizona Region of the passing of 
our longest standing member of the region. Ed Brannon was a big part of 
the region.  He raced against his son Mark for several years in their 
Elva Courier. He was a member since 1963 with a four digit membership 
number. Ed will  be missed but not forgotten. Our prayers go out to his 
family. Memorial Services will be held Sunday Jan 17th, 2010 at 3 PM at 
Messengers Mortuary located on Indian School Road and Miller in 
Scottsdale, AZ .

Donna Sheehan
NPI, Program Manager
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From wes at hsrca.org.au  Thu Jan  7 13:51:23 2010
From: wes at hsrca.org.au (Wes Dayton)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 07:51:23 +1100
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
Message-ID: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>

Australian rules allow us to fit newer style racing seats; technically I
believe there is a specified list of 3acceptable2 seats but in reality we
can get away with something as long as it is not too far 3out of character2
(i.e. no great big wings9 etc.). I9m still using a very tired original seat
and it9s time for a change. Trouble is finding something suitable that fits
the rather narrow space available. Not everything is easily available in
Australia but I9d be interested in knowing what everyone is using.

Wes Dayton


From tlizzard at msn.com  Thu Jan  7 15:29:43 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 17:29:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
References: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS714E3DE1F05FD71A3B8D3C3710@phx.gbl>

Wes,

I don't know if the Kirkey brand aluminum seats are available in OZ, their
smaller seats are rather easily modified to fit most smaller sports cars.  The
side wings are easily cut back if they are objectionable, new beading can be
put on and a trip to the upholstery shop for a new covering with white piping
will yield a very vintage appearing, yet very safe seat.

Terry Stetler


From horizonracing at msn.com  Thu Jan  7 16:05:24 2010
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:05:24 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
References: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W1091BDA8FF1B70C76E1694B2710@phx.gbl>

Try Looking at the "vintage 41" seats or "Kirkey" make a period Bucket seat.
Kirkey seats are available from summitracing.com. I have the Kirkey seats in
my early corvette and they work well, and look great.



An Aussie.........great grand dad must have been a pick pocket yeah ;)



Cheers

Tony



> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 07:51:23 +1100
> From: wes at hsrca.org.au
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
>
> Australian rules allow us to fit newer style racing seats; technically I
> believe there is a specified list of 3acceptable2 seats but in reality we
> can get away with something as long as it is not too far 3out of character2
> (i.e. no great big wings9 etc.). I9m still using a very tired original seat
> and it9s time for a change. Trouble is finding something suitable that fits
> the rather narrow space available. Not everything is easily available in
> Australia but I9d be interested in knowing what everyone is using.
>
> Wes Dayton
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Thu Jan  7 17:32:49 2010
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:32:49 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
References: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
Message-ID: <000001ca8ffa$1c19cf90$544d6eb0$@racer@comcast.net>

Wes:

One thing to consider when buying a seat is some high-back seats are not
compatible with neck restraint systems, ie, HANS.  I bought a Kirkey bucket
seat with snap on cover for around $300 which fit nicely in my TR4 without
modification and it's quite comfortable with good side support.  I chose
this low-back style since I use a HANS device.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Wes Dayton
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:51 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat

Australian rules allow us to fit newer style racing seats; technically I
believe there is a specified list of 3acceptable2 seats but in reality we
can get away with something as long as it is not too far 3out of character2
(i.e. no great big 
wings9 etc.). I9m still using a very tired original seat
and it9s time for a change. Trouble is finding something suitable that fits
the rather narrow space available. Not everything is easily available in
Australia but I9d be interested in knowing what everyone is using.

Wes Dayton
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jan  7 22:20:33 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:20:33 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Roller rocker question
Message-ID: <20100108052051.2382B187669@autox.team.net>

I'm passing along a question from a gentleman from Europe regarding 
roller rockers.  They seem to have quality issues with their usual 
suppliers and the stock ones are "too soft".  He's wondering if 
anyone has experience with roller rockers from Harland Sharp, good or 
bad.  Their two usual suppliers either have parts that are too soft 
and then have too much runout, or they spray oil all over everywhere.

I get the impression that he's looking more at the TR-6 / Spitfire 
rockers but am interested in responses for any model of racing TR.

I think alternate supplier suggestions (like Good Parts for example, 
I suggested that) would be welcome but he is specifically interested 
in experiences with Harland Sharp's rockers.

Thanks in advance, Tony Drews


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jan  7 22:51:11 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:51:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
References: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
Message-ID: <20100108055125.00973187669@autox.team.net>

I have a Kirkey seat with wings around my ribcage.  It doesn't have 
the shoulder wings like the Nascar seats have (and THAT is the way to 
go from a safety standpoint), but I like it.  Uncle Jack hated wings 
like that so he bought a Kirkey "Drag" seat.  That doesn't have the 
wings and looks pretty nice.  And, it's cheap.

Regarding the Hans issue - I have a high back seat and have no issue 
with it interfering with my HANS device.  Of course I have a little 
more built in padding than some (most) too, so that may be a 
factor.  :)  I did have to make the shoulder belt slot much larger to 
get the angle of the seat belt over the HANS device to work well.

- Tony Drews

At 02:51 PM 1/7/2010, Wes Dayton wrote:
>Australian rules allow us to fit newer style racing seats; technically I
>believe there is a specified list of 3acceptable2 seats but in reality we
>can get away with something as long as it is not too far 3out of character2
>(i.e. no great big wings9 etc.). I9m still using a very tired original seat
>and it9s time for a change. Trouble is finding something suitable that fits
>the rather narrow space available. Not everything is easily available in
>Australia but I9d be interested in knowing what everyone is using.
>
>Wes Dayton


From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Fri Jan  8 06:29:49 2010
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 07:29:49 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Roller rockers
Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A66ED66@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>

Tony,

I bought the Harland Sharp for a Spitfire 1300/1500 and later found out
(per my engine builder) their ratio is incorrect by enough that he won't
use them and guarantee they'll be 100%.  SOOOO if someone wants a brand
new set for say a street car (incorrect amount isn't a big deal there) I
will sell them for 175.00 for a brand new set. Also have a used set that
came on a old race motor, they are available for 75.00!


Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax
www.dieselperformanceparts.com


From rkrantz77 at comcast.net  Fri Jan  8 08:08:40 2010
From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:08:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Roller rockers
In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A66ED66@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>
Message-ID: <373694420.9528441262963320069.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I use Harland Sharp on all my race engines.B  They are available in 1.5 and
1.6 ratios.B  They are very accurate in ratio from part to part.B  The stock
rockers can be anywhere from 1.41 to as high as 1.48 in the same set from an
OE engine.B  The advantage of using the higher ratio is the regrind cam can
have a larger base circle. There are other considerations like higher
acceleration of the valve event.B  But all can beB overcome with a complete
valvetrain package.B  Most aftermarket cams for spits are designed to use 1.47
to 1.5 ratio rockers - check with the cam mfgr.B  The only problem I have seen
is clearance with the valve spring retainer on some combinations.

Ron Krantz

ReK Racing
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To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2010 8:29:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [Fot] Roller rockers

Tony,

I bought the Harland Sharp for a Spitfire 1300/1500 and later found out
(per my engine builder) their ratio is incorrect by enough that he won't
use them and guarantee they'll be 100%. B SOOOO if someone wants a brand
new set for say a street car (incorrect amount isn't a big deal there) I
will sell them for 175.00 for a brand new set. Also have a used set that
came on a old race motor, they are available for 75.00!


Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax
www.dieselperformanceparts.com
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From cwnfot at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 11:18:04 2010
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:18:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] low port cylinder heads ??
In-Reply-To: <D0B1CD43CB49412888EEDC7C69779F1D@latitudefb1e41>
References: <D0B1CD43CB49412888EEDC7C69779F1D@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <002c01ca908e$ec4e9850$c4ebc8f0$@com>

Pardon my ignorance but can you describe what you are referring to?

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
"Reality, it's not what you think."


-----Original Message-----
Subject: [Fot] low port cylinder heads

Are these rare? I have one lying around and I'm wondering what to ask for
it.

Bob Kramer
Volente, TX


From robertten1 at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 12:22:23 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:22:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] PARTS QUEST:  CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
In-Reply-To: <4B396EFF.1000103@greenheart.com>
References: <4B396EFF.1000103@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <8CC5EAF0A356AC4-2AB0-64F2@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com>

 Have checked any of the Jaguar parts suppliers ?   Most have them listed and
available, usually in sets of 6.

Best of luck,
Bob T








-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Wagner <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
To: Justin Wagner <jmwagner at tstonramp.com>
Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2009 9:52 pm
Subject: [Fot] PARTS QUEST:  CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps


Friends,

I am looking for a set of four (or whatever number I can find!) of these
specific 50's era CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps.   I'd be happy to
even get one, at least, to feel like I have a start.

If any of you are the type that have hoards of parts laying about, or
know someone that does, please take a look around or ask those buddies.
This one has been just out of reach for too long.  One or two has come
up on Ebay, but I haven't managed to snag them.

If you have 'em, let me know your price.  Just to mention it, I'd also
be happy to consider them in trade towards my silicone valve cover
gaskets, etc.    Just let me know!  Link below is photo of cap in case
the image didn't come through the e-mail.     Thanks.  --Justin Wagner

http://i.ebayimg.com/03/!Bh0O4pgBGk~$(KGrHqUH-C8EsM(4qTirBLK+yjFDkw~~_12.JPG
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Jan  8 12:35:56 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:35:56 -0800
Subject: [Fot] low port cylinder heads ??
In-Reply-To: <002c01ca908e$ec4e9850$c4ebc8f0$@com>
Message-ID: <49.5A.19471.B19874B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> Pardon my ignorance but can you describe what you are referring to?

Probably a TR2/early TR3 head.  The intake ports were moved upwards for
better breathing.

Probably worthless unless doing a 'correct' restoration.  I've got a "Le
Mans" head laying the shelf as well, if anyone is interested.  Should have
the intake manifold for it, too.

Randall


From cwnfot at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 12:58:37 2010
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:58:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] PARTS QUEST:  CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
In-Reply-To: <4B396EFF.1000103@greenheart.com>
References: <4B396EFF.1000103@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <001e01ca909c$f7f75580$e7e60080$@com>

Do a Google search for: 
CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps

Many results, such as: 
http://www.britishcycle.com/Products/champion_plug_caps.htm 

Google is your friend!

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
"Reality, it's not what you think."


From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Fri Jan  8 13:21:40 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:21:40 -0800
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Re: PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps]
Message-ID: <4B4793D4.70206@greenheart.com>

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [Fot] PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
Date: 	Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:19:36 -0800
From: 	Justin Wagner <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
To: 	Clark W. Nicholls <cwnfot at gmail.com>
References: 	<4B396EFF.1000103 at greenheart.com> 
<001e01ca909c$f7f75580$e7e60080$@com>



Clark....

Trust me.... I know Google... I have known Google for many years.  I 
consider Google my friend.  But for this cap, Google has not produced a 
source.

Look at your result, as an example...they have lots of vintage Champion 
caps.... not one of them is the one I am looking for.   Trust me, I 
would Google to the end of the world, before I'd reach out to newsgroups.

--Justin



Clark W. Nicholls wrote:

>Do a Google search for: 
>CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
>
>Many results, such as: 
>http://www.britishcycle.com/Products/champion_plug_caps.htm 
>
>Google is your friend!
>
>Clark
>Clark W. Nicholls
>1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
>"Reality, it's not what you think."


From list at mackenzie.aero  Fri Jan  8 13:31:19 2010
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:31:19 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5148.1262974692.4175.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.5148.1262974692.4175.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <002501ca90a1$8992bcb0$9cb83610$@aero>

I am running the Kirkey low back 'vintage' drag seats in my '62 Spitfire
Autocross car. They are exactly like the Pro-Street seats without the
headrest.
I bought them from Summit, along with the matching seat covers.  I just
received a Jan-Feb 2010 Summit catalogue and noticed last night that they
are no longer listing that seat.  They might be available somewhere else.
Be aware that some sanctioning bodies require headrests and some don't.  I
chose them because they were narrow enough and looked right.  Contact me off
list and I can send you a photo.

Robert MacKenzie
Austin,TX 


From cwnfot at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 16:07:43 2010
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:07:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
In-Reply-To: <4B4793D4.70206@greenheart.com>
References: <4B4793D4.70206@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <003c01ca90b7$63340950$299c1bf0$@com>

Using the Google results I would contact the vendors directly and see if
they can provide the specific part. Since they supply similar items. Or have
a lead you can follow.

Or try Hemmings.

I have a friend with a container full of old stuff from his father's auto
repair shop but finding anything would be near impossible!

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
"Reality, it's not what you think."


From jmwagner at tstonramp.com  Fri Jan  8 16:21:15 2010
From: jmwagner at tstonramp.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:21:15 -0800
Subject: [Fot] PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
In-Reply-To: <003c01ca90b7$63340950$299c1bf0$@com>
References: <4B4793D4.70206@greenheart.com>
	<003c01ca90b7$63340950$299c1bf0$@com>
Message-ID: <654366B5-76F2-4464-945C-41893A9D22AD@tstonramp.com>

I have been doing just that.  This "Parts Quest", complete with photo,  
has gone out to many folks.  In the end, it's sometimes about just  
catching the one person that knows he has some in his garage or  
specifically knows someone that does.

Some of the vintage caps are still being supplied all over, this  
particular one is not.

Give your friend my original parts quest with photo and maybe he'll  
take a look sometime after watching an episode of "Hoarders" on  
cable.  I know that show motivates me to unload unneeded stuff!

--Justin


On Jan 8, 2010, at 3:07 PM, "Clark W. Nicholls" <cwnfot at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> Using the Google results I would contact the vendors directly and  
> see if
> they can provide the specific part. Since they supply similar items.  
> Or have
> a lead you can follow.
>
> Or try Hemmings.
>
> I have a friend with a container full of old stuff from his father's  
> auto
> repair shop but finding anything would be near impossible!
>
> Clark
> Clark W. Nicholls
> 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
> "Reality, it's not what you think."


From GRMTim at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 19:19:26 2010
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 21:19:26 EST
Subject: [Fot] Need 1500 Spitfire bonnet
Message-ID: <ce4.67c3f088.387941ae@aol.com>

I have decided to take the plunge and tear my son's 1973 Spitfire down to 
the frame and build it back up. Just did a dual SU carb conversion that made 
me fall even more in love with Spitfires, so now want to do paint and 
chassis and suspension in time for VTR National convention this fall.

I looked the car over real good with my body man and he says we should 
start with a better bonnet/hood. Anyone want to sell a nice one at a fair price?

I have a usable one with some dings and rust, so don't want to go sideways. 
Need one that is really rust and bondo free. I could live with few parking 
lot dings. Thanks.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040


From robertten1 at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 19:29:15 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:29:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
In-Reply-To: <4B4793D4.70206@greenheart.com>
References: <4B4793D4.70206@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <8CC5EEAABDA3542-2AB0-BA66@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com>

 Try :

SNG Barratt at 1 800 452 4787 or web :  www.sngbarrattusa.com

Part Number is  WCX600
                               CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Cap



Cheers, Bob T









-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Wagner <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 3:21 pm
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Re: PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps]


-------- Original Message --------
Subject:    Re: [Fot] PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
Date:   Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:19:36 -0800
From:   Justin Wagner <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
To:     Clark W. Nicholls <cwnfot at gmail.com>
References:     <4B396EFF.1000103 at greenheart.com>
<001e01ca909c$f7f75580$e7e60080$@com>



Clark....

Trust me.... I know Google... I have known Google for many years.  I
consider Google my friend.  But for this cap, Google has not produced a
source.

Look at your result, as an example...they have lots of vintage Champion
caps.... not one of them is the one I am looking for.   Trust me, I
would Google to the end of the world, before I'd reach out to newsgroups.

--Justin



Clark W. Nicholls wrote:

>Do a Google search for:
>CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
>
>Many results, such as:
>http://www.britishcycle.com/Products/champion_plug_caps.htm
>
>Google is your friend!
>
>Clark
>Clark W. Nicholls
>1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
>"Reality, it's not what you think."
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 19:48:52 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:48:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <002501ca90a1$8992bcb0$9cb83610$@aero>
References: <mailman.5148.1262974692.4175.fot@autox.team.net>
	<002501ca90a1$8992bcb0$9cb83610$@aero>
Message-ID: <8CC5EED69AB49F7-30B8-C9A0@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com>

 Heads up -

A quick on-line look on the Summit Racing site and the KIRKEY Vintage Class
Bucket Seat is listed and available, along with vinyl covers. in 3 different
widths.  Just a reminder if you don't see it in a catalog(s) check on-line or
call.

So this might be a better way to go for my car as well instead of modifying,
welding an reupholstering my current seat to gain that period look.


Cheers,
Bob T








-----Original Message-----
From: Robert MacKenzie <list at mackenzie.aero>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 3:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Seat


I am running the Kirkey low back 'vintage' drag seats in my '62 Spitfire
Autocross car. They are exactly like the Pro-Street seats without the
headrest.
I bought them from Summit, along with the matching seat covers.  I just
received a Jan-Feb 2010 Summit catalogue and noticed last night that they
are no longer listing that seat.  They might be available somewhere else.
Be aware that some sanctioning bodies require headrests and some don't.  I
chose them because they were narrow enough and looked right.  Contact me off
list and I can send you a photo.

Robert MacKenzie
Austin,TX
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Fri Jan  8 20:04:14 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:04:14 -0800
Subject: [Fot] PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
In-Reply-To: <8CC5EEAABDA3542-2AB0-BA66@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com>
References: <4B4793D4.70206@greenheart.com>
	<8CC5EEAABDA3542-2AB0-BA66@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B47F22E.4030205@greenheart.com>

This is not the same cap.  

http://www.sngbarrattusa.com/imaging/partimage1.asp?id=8519

--Justin

robertten1 at aol.com wrote:

> Try :
>
>SNG Barratt at 1 800 452 4787 or web :  www.sngbarrattusa.com
>
>Part Number is  WCX600
>                               CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Cap
>
>
>
>Cheers, Bob T
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Justin Wagner <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 3:21 pm
>Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Re: PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps]
>
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject:    Re: [Fot] PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
>Date:   Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:19:36 -0800
>From:   Justin Wagner <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
>To:     Clark W. Nicholls <cwnfot at gmail.com>
>References:     <4B396EFF.1000103 at greenheart.com>
><001e01ca909c$f7f75580$e7e60080$@com>
>
>
>
>Clark....
>
>Trust me.... I know Google... I have known Google for many years.  I
>consider Google my friend.  But for this cap, Google has not produced a
>source.
>
>Look at your result, as an example...they have lots of vintage Champion
>caps.... not one of them is the one I am looking for.   Trust me, I
>would Google to the end of the world, before I'd reach out to newsgroups.
>
>--Justin
>
>
>
>Clark W. Nicholls wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Do a Google search for:
>>CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
>>
>>Many results, such as:
>>http://www.britishcycle.com/Products/champion_plug_caps.htm
>>
>>Google is your friend!
>>
>>Clark
>>Clark W. Nicholls
>>1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
>>"Reality, it's not what you think."
>>    
>>
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 22:02:31 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 00:02:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 345-10/D - Champion, bakelite, non-resistor type
Message-ID: <8CC5F0015033E82-1CEC-E419@webmail-d037.sysops.aol.com>

 www.britcycle.com





345-10/D - Champion, bakelite, non-resistor type


From jmwagner at tstonramp.com  Fri Jan  8 23:01:57 2010
From: jmwagner at tstonramp.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 22:01:57 -0800
Subject: [Fot] 345-10/D - Champion, bakelite, non-resistor type
In-Reply-To: <8CC5F0015033E82-1CEC-E419@webmail-d037.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC5F0015033E82-1CEC-E419@webmail-d037.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <41F1E435-9513-4B70-8771-E19425846FBC@tstonramp.com>

These are the type that are found at all the usual suspects.  Long  
before I approached the newsgroups, I had run into all the similar  
caps, but not the cap that I am seeking.

It would be great to find some supplier has a hoard or is reproducing  
them, however I strongly suspect that is not the case.  I really did  
"work" at this before bothering you all.

I think the caps are going to have to come from a private party,  old  
junk yard, auto swap meet, etc.

It would be a "quest" if I was willing to settle for a part that is  
just similar to what I am looking for.   If I must, I will, but the  
quest would continue.


On Jan 8, 2010, at 9:02 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote:

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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sat Jan  9 22:00:09 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:00:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Stag
Message-ID: <E898076E6791441EBACE6D27262399EF@your4dacd0ea75>

Just saw this on Ebay.

 

Paul

 

http://tinyurl.com/Uncle-Jack-Stag


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sat Jan  9 22:18:55 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:18:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] uncle jack Stag
In-Reply-To: <E898076E6791441EBACE6D27262399EF@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <E898076E6791441EBACE6D27262399EF@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <92B070EE3F084A269F201CD92292C2ED@your4dacd0ea75>

Lower case letters...forgot...

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Behalf Of Paul MacDonald
Sent: January 10, 2010 12:00 AM
To: Fot
Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Stag

Just saw this on Ebay.

 

Paul

 

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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Jan  9 23:55:43 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:55:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Speaking of seats...
Message-ID: <4B4979EF.5020301@bradakis.com>

I've got a Kirkey economy layback seat I won't be using for a while, if 
ever.
Never installed.  Just the bare seat, no cover.  It looks like this:

http://www.summitracing.com/search/?keyword=Kirkey%2016400&dds=1


I got it several years ago when I still had thoughts of making Killer into a
better road racer.  That ain't gonna happen for quite some time.  If 
interested,
let me know.

Actually I may be offering quite a few goodies over the next little while.
After being out of work for four years and five months, I'm in a financial
bind, and am getting booted out of the shop I've been renting.  After 14 
years,
the stuff really piles up.  Some of it is actually useful.  Stay tuned for
further updates.

mjb.


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 10 11:14:05 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:14:05 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
Message-ID: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>

Anybody out there know of a Polyurethane or Aluminum bushing that fits  
the front eye of the TR3 leaf spring?  (not the rear shackle kit)
I had to take an angle grinder to the spring eye pin to get it out and  
destroyed my dad's custom aluminum bushing in the process.

I'm wondering if anybody out there may know of a part number for a  
modern car (or small truck) to save me a little leg-work.

I found a place that can make me a custom bushing but I'd prefer to  
find something off the shelf if possible.

Dimensions:  L 2.25"  W 1.325  Hole: .625"

By the way the replacement Stock bushing from Moss does not fit onto  
their new pin.

~Steve


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Jan 10 11:30:30 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:30:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
In-Reply-To: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>
References: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8CC603A1F8115E9-1384-1CB5D@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>

Look at what is available at McMaster-Carr in aluminum or bronze.

OD  1.325   ID  .625   Lgth   2.25






-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:14 pm
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing


Anybody out there know of a Polyurethane or Aluminum bushing that fits the
front eye of the TR3 leaf spring? (not the rear shackle kit)
I had to take an angle grinder to the spring eye pin to get it out and
destroyed my dad's custom aluminum bushing in the process.

I'm wondering if anybody out there may know of a part number for a modern car
(or small truck) to save me a little leg-work.

I found a place that can make me a custom bushing but I'd prefer to find
something off the shelf if possible.

Dimensions: L 2.25" W 1.325 Hole: .625"

By the way the replacement Stock bushing from Moss does not fit onto their new
pin.

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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 10 11:48:43 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:48:43 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
In-Reply-To: <8CC603A1F8115E9-1384-1CB5D@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
References: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>
	<8CC603A1F8115E9-1384-1CB5D@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <69374EA7-729D-41EE-BD37-6271270E1202@earthlink.net>

Thanks Joe, I could get this and cut it down:

http://www.mcmaster.com/#8931k91/=5beo9i

I don't think the extra pound(s) will matter.

~Steve




On Jan 10, 2010, at 10:30 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:

> Look at what is available at McMaster-Carr in aluminum or bronze.
>
> OD  1.325   ID  .625   Lgth   2.25
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
> To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:14 pm
> Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
>
> Anybody out there know of a Polyurethane or Aluminum bushing that  
> fits the front eye of the TR3 leaf spring? (not the rear shackle kit)
> I had to take an angle grinder to the spring eye pin to get it out  
> and destroyed my dad's custom aluminum bushing in the process.
>
> I'm wondering if anybody out there may know of a part number for a  
> modern car (or small truck) to save me a little leg-work.
>
> I found a place that can make me a custom bushing but I'd prefer to  
> find something off the shelf if possible.
>
> Dimensions: L 2.25" W 1.325 Hole: .625"
>
> By the way the replacement Stock bushing from Moss does not fit onto  
> their new pin.
>
> ~Steve
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From wes at hsrca.org.au  Sun Jan 10 13:19:14 2010
From: wes at hsrca.org.au (Wes Dayton)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:19:14 +1100
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
Message-ID: <C7708172.EF37%wes@hsrca.org.au>

Many thanks to all of those who responded to my questions - certainly turned
out to be a great thumbs-up for Kirkey seats. Now to figure out if my bum
will fit into a 15inch wide seat!

Wes


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 10 13:26:53 2010
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:26:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials
Message-ID: <BAY123-W321E3CE071DE45C1B83E95BA6E0@phx.gbl>

Sitting here in the snow daydreaming about projects. Has anybody stumbled upon
a differential conversion for the Spitfire similar the Nissan 300ZX setup?
Also is anybody autcrossing a Spitfire using a welded diff? hows it working
out for you?

Thanks,
Marty

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From m-syork at comcast.net  Sun Jan 10 13:53:43 2010
From: m-syork at comcast.net (Mark York)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:53:43 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear leafs
Message-ID: <000501ca9236$ff563710$64a91218@markv8zno7deim>

Amici

Does anyone have a recommendation for TR3 competition rear leaf springs? The
set I have on the car were from Moss Motors (p/n: 851-180) that I took to a
local spring shop and had the top leaf (with eye) flipped over and re-arched
to lower the rear end by 1 =. After a season of racing I noticed that the
right rear leaf is sagging by about >.

What rear spring rates does everyone run?

Thanks to all in advance.

Regards

Mark


From m-syork at comcast.net  Sun Jan 10 14:09:20 2010
From: m-syork at comcast.net (Mark York)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:09:20 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
In-Reply-To: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>
References: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000a01ca9239$2e023c10$64a91218@markv8zno7deim>

Steve
I went to a local metal distributor and bought a piece of bearing bronze. I
took it to a local machine shop and had them turn it down to the proper
size. Cost on a 20" piece of BB cost $99 and 1 hour of shop time was $65. I
may have a picture of the finished bushing around if you want to see them.
Regards
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Steven Belfer
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 10:14 AM
To: Friends of Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing

Anybody out there know of a Polyurethane or Aluminum bushing that fits  
the front eye of the TR3 leaf spring?  (not the rear shackle kit)
I had to take an angle grinder to the spring eye pin to get it out and  
destroyed my dad's custom aluminum bushing in the process.

I'm wondering if anybody out there may know of a part number for a  
modern car (or small truck) to save me a little leg-work.

I found a place that can make me a custom bushing but I'd prefer to  
find something off the shelf if possible.

Dimensions:  L 2.25"  W 1.325  Hole: .625"

By the way the replacement Stock bushing from Moss does not fit onto  
their new pin.

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From horizonracing at msn.com  Sun Jan 10 14:47:29 2010
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:47:29 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <C7708172.EF37%wes@hsrca.org.au>
References: <C7708172.EF37%wes@hsrca.org.au>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W1112DE97A8C26E90E2C5BB26E0@phx.gbl>

Wes,

You can spec. order any width seat you need. I had to have one at 19 inchs !!
for one of my Clients in an MGB.








> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:19:14 +1100
> From: wes at hsrca.org.au
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
>
> Many thanks to all of those who responded to my questions - certainly
turned
> out to be a great thumbs-up for Kirkey seats. Now to figure out if my bum
> will fit into a 15inch wide seat!
>
> Wes
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From andre at gt6.ca  Sun Jan 10 15:22:07 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:22:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <BLU136-W1112DE97A8C26E90E2C5BB26E0@phx.gbl>
References: <C7708172.EF37%wes@hsrca.org.au>
	<BLU136-W1112DE97A8C26E90E2C5BB26E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4362ae391001101422ud107f8dn278eb2dc3f249056@mail.gmail.com>

I picked mine up direct from Kirkey in Cornwall.

http://www.124racer.com/setup_kirkey_seat.html

I went with the 47 Series Intermediate Road Race Seat.
I had them ship the mounts and cover later on.

A.



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2010/1/10 Tony and Annie Garmey <horizonracing at msn.com>:
> Wes,
>
> You can spec. order any width seat you need. I had to have one at 19 inchs
!!
> for one of my Clients in an MGB.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:19:14 +1100
>> From: wes at hsrca.org.au
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
>>
>> Many thanks to all of those who responded to my questions - certainly
> turned
>> out to be a great thumbs-up for Kirkey seats. Now to figure out if my bum
>> will fit into a 15inch wide seat!
>>
>> Wes
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From munsonsb at telus.net  Sun Jan 10 15:22:21 2010
From: munsonsb at telus.net (munsonsb at telus.net)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:22:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear leafs
Message-ID: <13803604.583114.1263162141302.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes94>

Hi All - Great timing - as an addendum to Mark's question - has anyone had any
experience with a single leaf spring on either a TR3 or 4 and if so do you
know of a source?
Thanks.
Barry.

On Jan 10, 2010, Mark York <m-syork at comcast.net> wrote:

Amici

Does anyone have a recommendation for TR3 competition rear leaf springs? The
set I have on the car were from Moss Motors (p/n: 851-180) that I took to a
local spring shop and had the top leaf (with eye) flipped over and re-arched
to lower the rear end by 1 =. After a season of racing I noticed that the
right rear leaf is sagging by about >.

What rear spring rates does everyone run?

Thanks to all in advance.

Regards

Mark
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From dave at microworks.net  Sun Jan 10 15:53:35 2010
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:53:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <4362ae391001101422ud107f8dn278eb2dc3f249056@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C7708172.EF37%wes@hsrca.org.au>
	<BLU136-W1112DE97A8C26E90E2C5BB26E0@phx.gbl>
	<4362ae391001101422ud107f8dn278eb2dc3f249056@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B4A5A6F.4080608@microworks.net>

I'm installing a very similar seat in the TR3.

http://www.ultrashieldrace.com/prod.php?id=8

16" for the drivers side and 17" for the Passenger


Andre Rousseau wrote:
> I picked mine up direct from Kirkey in Cornwall.
>
> http://www.124racer.com/setup_kirkey_seat.html
>
> I went with the 47 Series Intermediate Road Race Seat.
> I had them ship the mounts and cover later on.
>
> A.
>
>
>
> --
> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
> '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
> Ottawa, ON, Canada
>
> You know, racing was a lot tougher before the Internet...
> Quote by Steve Smith GT6 Racer
>
>
>
> 2010/1/10 Tony and Annie Garmey <horizonracing at msn.com>:
>   
>> Wes,
>>
>> You can spec. order any width seat you need. I had to have one at 19 inchs
>>     
> !!
>   
>> for one of my Clients in an MGB.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     
>>> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:19:14 +1100
>>> From: wes at hsrca.org.au
>>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
>>>
>>> Many thanks to all of those who responded to my questions - certainly
>>>       
>> turned
>>     
>>> out to be a great thumbs-up for Kirkey seats. Now to figure out if my bum
>>> will fit into a 15inch wide seat!
>>>
>>> Wes
>>> _______________________________________________
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 10 15:59:11 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:59:11 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear leafs
In-Reply-To: <13803604.583114.1263162141302.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes94>
References: <13803604.583114.1263162141302.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes94>
Message-ID: <5FF1129C-D818-4278-8ADD-DD74E278B4F2@earthlink.net>

I think the thing to do is to find a local spring shop and have a set
of two made up to copy your good one.

I just removed the leaf springs from my TR3.  They were probably okay
but the clips were looking pretty old.  I know they've been on the
race car for at least 21 years, maybe 30.

My springs have an added leaf to beef them up and they are de-arched
to lower the car. Due to the extra leaf, custom spacers were made to
for the top and bottom of the U-bolt clamps. My springs also have also
been ground in two spots for more tire clearance.  I think it was an
issue when it had big centerline racing wheels, slicks and flares.
Not sure if they need to be modified fore tire clearance with my
current 5.5" rims.

You may mount them and see that the car is too high (or too low) and
need  to take them back to change the arch a little bit.

If you haven't removed the springs already, the pin that holds the
front spring eye is really fun to remove!

~Steve


On Jan 10, 2010, at 2:22 PM, munsonsb at telus.net wrote:

> Hi All - Great timing - as an addendum to Mark's question - has
> anyone had any
> experience with a single leaf spring on either a TR3 or 4 and if so
> do you
> know of a source?
> Thanks.
> Barry.
>
> On Jan 10, 2010, Mark York <m-syork at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Amici
>
> Does anyone have a recommendation for TR3 competition rear leaf
> springs? The
> set I have on the car were from Moss Motors (p/n: 851-180) that I
> took to a
> local spring shop and had the top leaf (with eye) flipped over and
> re-arched
> to lower the rear end by 1 =. After a season of racing I noticed
> that the
> right rear leaf is sagging by about >.
>
> What rear spring rates does everyone run?
>
> Thanks to all in advance.
>
> Regards
>
> Mark
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Jan 10 16:01:03 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:01:03 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
In-Reply-To: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E1.8C.19578.03C5A4B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> By the way the replacement Stock bushing from Moss does not fit onto  
> their new pin.

FWIW, I just installed replacement stock bushings from TRF, and they fit
perfectly.

Randall


From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Sun Jan 10 16:06:51 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:06:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
References: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
Message-ID: <003301ca9249$98b09e20$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Hi, I use the Kirkey Intermediate road racing seat that I got from Jeg's
high performance in Columbus, Ohio. It came in different widths also ( I
know what you mean Tony!).
  Price was reasonable even after buying the seat cover. I'm pleased with it
and it does accomodate the HANS. It's made of aluminum so is easy to work
with as far as modifying, if needed.
  Good luck, Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: "Wes Dayton" <wes at hsrca.org.au>
  To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 3:51 PM
  Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat


  > Australian rules allow us to fit newer style racing seats; technically I
  > believe there is a specified list of 3acceptable2 seats but in reality
we
  > can get away with something as long as it is not too far 3out of
character2
  > (i.e. no great big wings9 etc.). I9m still using a very tired original
seat
  > and it9s time for a change. Trouble is finding something suitable that
fits
  > the rather narrow space available. Not everything is easily available in
  > Australia but I9d be interested in knowing what everyone is using.
  >
  > Wes Dayton
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 10 16:19:18 2010
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:19:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <4362ae391001101422ud107f8dn278eb2dc3f249056@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C7708172.EF37%wes@hsrca.org.au>
	<BLU136-W1112DE97A8C26E90E2C5BB26E0@phx.gbl>
	<4362ae391001101422ud107f8dn278eb2dc3f249056@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <526642.34925.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My seats are also Kirkey - I took a sawsall to them.
Andre - could you forward this picture to the FOT for me.

Thanks
Dennis

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_2938.JPG]


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 10 16:24:07 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:24:07 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the Snow picture finally appears
Message-ID: <AC4AF3BA-FF8E-4FF6-A10F-3B2D00125205@earthlink.net>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-TR3-TR3-1959-Triumph-TR-3-TR3_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem19b8f24799QQitemZ110477068185QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks

Here's the picture!

~Steve


From andre at gt6.ca  Sun Jan 10 16:26:43 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:26:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <526642.34925.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <C7708172.EF37%wes@hsrca.org.au>
	<BLU136-W1112DE97A8C26E90E2C5BB26E0@phx.gbl>
	<4362ae391001101422ud107f8dn278eb2dc3f249056@mail.gmail.com>
	<526642.34925.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4362ae391001101526t11926325w307a8fd00efef4ef@mail.gmail.com>

http://temp.justdrive.ca/IMG_2938b.jpg

As requested.

Nice covers.

A.

2010/1/10 Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>:
> My seats are also Kirkey - I took a sawsall to them.
> Andre - could you forward this picture to the FOT for me.
>
> Thanks
> Dennis


From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Sun Jan 10 16:28:45 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:28:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
References: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>
	<8CC603A1F8115E9-1384-1CB5D@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <006801ca924c$a8316660$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Hi Gang, I agree with Joe that the M-C catalog is a great place to look
for needed items. It's about 3500 pages, has quality items, and their
shipping network is excellent. They have a lot of information  in the
catalog, under the heading, "About...(subject)......."
  I get a lot of obscure parts from them; a lot of common stuff, too.
  Great place.
  If you haven't used them yet, give them a try.
  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
  To: <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 1:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing


  > Look at what is available at McMaster-Carr in aluminum or bronze.
  >
  > OD  1.325   ID  .625   Lgth   2.25
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
  > To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
  > Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:14 pm
  > Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
  >
  >
  > Anybody out there know of a Polyurethane or Aluminum bushing that fits
the
  > front eye of the TR3 leaf spring? (not the rear shackle kit)
  > I had to take an angle grinder to the spring eye pin to get it out and
  > destroyed my dad's custom aluminum bushing in the process.
  >
  > I'm wondering if anybody out there may know of a part number for a
modern car
  > (or small truck) to save me a little leg-work.
  >
  > I found a place that can make me a custom bushing but I'd prefer to find
  > something off the shelf if possible.
  >
  > Dimensions: L 2.25" W 1.325 Hole: .625"
  >
  > By the way the replacement Stock bushing from Moss does not fit onto
their new
  > pin.
  >
  > ~Steve
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sun Jan 10 16:56:49 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:56:49 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
In-Reply-To: <006801ca924c$a8316660$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
References: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>
	<8CC603A1F8115E9-1384-1CB5D@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
	<006801ca924c$a8316660$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <4B4A6941.2020504@greenheart.com>

I use McMaster Carr a lot....   for my film industry work...   and I 
order much of the hardware that I sell with my gaskets from them.  They 
are EXTREMELY efficient in getting orders out and sending paperwork, 
etc.   It's become very difficult to get physical catalogs now, but 
their online catalog is very handy for racers' purposes.  For example, 
you could search for a washer or a bolt by size.... thickness... type... 
etc... and really narrow down what's available, etc.

Now I do have a bias here... Their west coast distribution center is in 
Santa Fe Springs, CA, which is just a 1/2 hour or so drive for me.... So 
I use their Will Call quite often!

If you do get a catalog, hang onto it as Charlton Heston said he would 
relative to his guns.  It's not like it used to be, where they would 
send a new one very year.

--Justin

 

WILLIAM TOBIN wrote:

>  Hi Gang, I agree with Joe that the M-C catalog is a great place to look
>for needed items. It's about 3500 pages, has quality items, and their
>shipping network is excellent. They have a lot of information  in the
>catalog, under the heading, "About...(subject)......."
>  I get a lot of obscure parts from them; a lot of common stuff, too.
>  Great place.
>  If you haven't used them yet, give them a try.
>  Bill----- Original Message -----
>  From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
>  To: <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
>  Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 1:30 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
>
>
>  > Look at what is available at McMaster-Carr in aluminum or bronze.
>  >
>  > OD  1.325   ID  .625   Lgth   2.25
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
>  > To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>  > Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:14 pm
>  > Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
>  >
>  >
>  > Anybody out there know of a Polyurethane or Aluminum bushing that fits
>the
>  > front eye of the TR3 leaf spring? (not the rear shackle kit)
>  > I had to take an angle grinder to the spring eye pin to get it out and
>  > destroyed my dad's custom aluminum bushing in the process.
>  >
>  > I'm wondering if anybody out there may know of a part number for a
>modern car
>  > (or small truck) to save me a little leg-work.
>  >
>  > I found a place that can make me a custom bushing but I'd prefer to find
>  > something off the shelf if possible.
>  >
>  > Dimensions: L 2.25" W 1.325 Hole: .625"
>  >
>  > By the way the replacement Stock bushing from Moss does not fit onto
>their new
>  > pin.
>  >
>  > ~Steve
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Jan 10 17:31:53 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:31:53 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
In-Reply-To: <4B4A6941.2020504@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <E8.7B.19543.9717A4B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> If you do get a catalog, hang onto it as Charlton Heston said 

Gee, Justin, I wish you'd said something sooner!  I actually threw away my
last paper catalog from them and asked them NOT to send any more; as their
on-line catalog works so much better for me.  About the only things I can't
do with the on-line version are carry it into the bathroom and write on it;
which is more than compensated for by being able to "point and grunt" at
anything I want to buy with the on-line version.  It also supports "wish
lists" in the form of unplaced orders, which can be recalled any time,
edited, etc.

BTW, the SFS will-call center is open on Saturdays, but it turns out that
you have to phone in your order if you want to pick it up on Saturday.
On-line orders don't get processed until the next 'business' day.  But there
is a phone & catalog at the will-call counter, so you can place the order
right there if you wish.

Generally, you can find lower prices somewhere else.  But I find myself
using MMC more and more, because it's so easy and fast.

Randall


From kenandtweety at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 10 19:33:27 2010
From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:33:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] "Pick of the Liter"
Message-ID: <673816.61787.qm@web111408.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Bill and Bob,
  Congratulations being picked for the  feature article in the Jan/Feb issue of VINTAGE MOTORSPORT. Nice Shot of you two and that georgeous Thunder Bolt.

Ken Suhre


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 10 20:30:45 2010
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:30:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <BAY123-W242F93831AEC24D5F2CC59BA6D0@phx.gbl>

I would like to propose Jack McGahey for consideration to the group. Jack and
his wife have a fantastic TR6 and a whole gaggle of TR8's. He is the events
coordinator for VTR and the safety director for his SCCA region. Jack
autocrosses his Triumphs and is usually the one to beat in his classes. You
might have seen a nice write up on one of his TR8's in Hemmings Sports and
Exotics this past summer. Can I get a second?

Jack's email is
LimeyV8 at aol.com

Thanks,
Marty

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From Herald948 at aol.com  Sun Jan 10 20:45:49 2010
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:45:49 EST
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <c98.62343507.387bf8ed@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/10/2010 10:34:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
trmarty at hotmail.com writes:

I would  like to propose Jack McGahey for consideration to the group. Jack 
and
his  wife have a fantastic TR6 and a whole gaggle of TR8's. He is the  
events
coordinator for VTR and the safety director for his SCCA region.  Jack
autocrosses his Triumphs and is usually the one to beat in his  classes. You
might have seen a nice write up on one of his TR8's in  Hemmings Sports and
Exotics this past summer. Can I get a  second?
 
==AM==
You got it, Marty!
 
Good to have you here, Jack!
 
--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph 
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 


From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 10 21:21:43 2010
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:21:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W242F93831AEC24D5F2CC59BA6D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-W242F93831AEC24D5F2CC59BA6D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <636510.17682.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Jack would be a good addition to the group. I have known him for years.




________________________________
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, January 10, 2010 9:30:45 PM
Subject: [Fot] Nomination

I would like to propose Jack McGahey for consideration to the group. Jack and
his wife have a fantastic TR6 and a whole gaggle of TR8's. He is the events
coordinator for VTR and the safety director for his SCCA region. Jack
autocrosses his Triumphs and is usually the one to beat in his classes. You
might have seen a nice write up on one of his TR8's in Hemmings Sports and
Exotics this past summer. Can I get a second?

Jack's email is
LimeyV8 at aol.com

Thanks,
Marty

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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 23:30:01 2010
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:30:01 -0800
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Re: diffs]
Message-ID: <4B4AC569.7030401@gmail.com>

Here's the latest from Ken about the limited slip diffs.  It is easier 
just to forward it than to rephrase it.

Terian

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: diffs
Date: 	Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:03:54 -0800
From: 	BFEKen at copper.net <bfeken at copper.net>
Reply-To: 	BFEKen at copper.net <bfeken at copper.net>
To: 	TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>



 

    ----- Original Message -----
    *From:* BFEKen at copper.net <mailto:BFEKen at copper.net>
    *To:* TeriAnn Wakeman <mailto:twakeman at razzolink.com>
    *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2010 4:13 PM
    *Subject:* diffs

    *Teriann, So far we have had 13 what I would call serious inquires*
    *It looks like I will have to get a date from Darryl as to when they
    will be*
    *ready to ship& I will have to have each buyer to send say $700 by
    that date, a complete description of their car, their shipping
    address & any other particulars we might need.*
    ** 
    *Ken*


From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Jan 10 23:33:02 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:33:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W242F93831AEC24D5F2CC59BA6D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-W242F93831AEC24D5F2CC59BA6D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <ACB224B6989744009B1287B4D9EF0557@joepentiumnew>

I thought Jack was already a member, otherwise I would have recommended him.

I guess that qualifies as a second (or third).

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of marty sukey
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:31 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Nomination

I would like to propose Jack McGahey for consideration to the group. Jack
and
his wife have a fantastic TR6 and a whole gaggle of TR8's. He is the events
coordinator for VTR and the safety director for his SCCA region. Jack
autocrosses his Triumphs and is usually the one to beat in his classes. You
might have seen a nice write up on one of his TR8's in Hemmings Sports and
Exotics this past summer. Can I get a second?

Jack's email is
LimeyV8 at aol.com

Thanks,
Marty

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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Jan 11 01:43:21 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 02:43:21 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials
References: <BAY123-W321E3CE071DE45C1B83E95BA6E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A4FE39E1CFA04A6F927A4C55BDE1BEA0@rocky>

Dunno what the 300ZX setup is. Mine's essentially a GT6 diff, big case, big 
axles, 4:55 gearset, and pushed higher up in the chassis (new holes) than 
stock.

It's welded up. Used to have a No-Spin limited slip until I just used that 
sucker up to where it just wasn't repairable any more.

With the No-Spin I'd snap an inner axle about once a year, even big axles. 
Welded it up then because I couldn't find an affordable limited-slip then.

With the welded-up unit I've broken two inner axles in the 15+ years I've 
had it, both times in road races.

But mostly I autocross and it works just fine. Very predictable. The only 
"problem" is pushing it in the paddock and trying to turn. Frankly, at this 
point, I don't think I'd go back to the limited slip even though I can 
afford what's on the market now.

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 2:26 PM
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials


> Sitting here in the snow daydreaming about projects. Has anybody stumbled 
> upon
> a differential conversion for the Spitfire similar the Nissan 300ZX setup?
> Also is anybody autcrossing a Spitfire using a welded diff? hows it 
> working
> out for you?
>
> Thanks,
> Marty
>
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From LimeyV8 at aol.com  Mon Jan 11 07:48:41 2010
From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:48:41 EST
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <d39.626258d5.387c9449@aol.com>

Thanks Marty and Andy
 
good to be here
 
One small correction to Marty's overly-glowing intro - I am an active Solo  
Safety Steward in Central Carolinas Region SCCA, but I'm not the safety 
chief (i  wouldn't want JB to see that and think he could slack off this year - 
i  already give the safety speech at most events because he doesn't like  
to)  
 
Cheers,
Jack Mc
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/10/2010 10:45:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Herald948 
 writes:

In a message dated 1/10/2010 10:34:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
trmarty at hotmail.com writes:

I  would like to propose Jack McGahey for consideration to the group. Jack  
and
his wife have a fantastic TR6 and a whole gaggle of TR8's. He is the  events
coordinator for VTR and the safety director for his SCCA region.  Jack
autocrosses his Triumphs and is usually the one to beat in his  classes. You
might have seen a nice write up on one of his TR8's in  Hemmings Sports and
Exotics this past summer. Can I get a  second?
 
==AM==
You got it, Marty!
 
Good to have you here, Jack!
 
--Andy  Mace

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From limeyv8 at aol.com  Mon Jan 11 07:59:31 2010
From: limeyv8 at aol.com (limeyv8 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:59:31 EST
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials
Message-ID: <3dcd.3b18d471.387c96d3@aol.com>

Marty -
 
there is a prepared Spitfire 1500 autocrossing in our region with a  welded 
diff - he is very quick and sometimes sets FTD - he's never had a problem  
with it, other than trying to make a sharp turn into a grid spot
 
Cheers,
Jack Mc
 
 
In a message dated 1/11/2010 3:48:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
rocky at spitfire4.com writes:

Dunno  what the 300ZX setup is. Mine's essentially a GT6 diff, big case, 
big  
axles, 4:55 gearset, and pushed higher up in the chassis (new holes) than  
stock.

It's welded up. Used to have a No-Spin limited slip until I  just used that 
sucker up to where it just wasn't repairable any  more.

With the No-Spin I'd snap an inner axle about once a year, even  big axles. 
Welded it up then because I couldn't find an affordable  limited-slip then.

With the welded-up unit I've broken two inner axles  in the 15+ years I've 
had it, both times in road races.

But mostly  I autocross and it works just fine. Very predictable. The only 
"problem"  is pushing it in the paddock and trying to turn. Frankly, at 
this 
point, I  don't think I'd go back to the limited slip even though I can 
afford  what's on the market now.

--Rocky

----- Original Message -----  
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To: "FOT"  <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 2:26  PM
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials


> Sitting here in  the snow daydreaming about projects. Has anybody 
stumbled 
>  upon
> a differential conversion for the Spitfire similar the Nissan  300ZX 
setup?
> Also is anybody autcrossing a Spitfire using a welded  diff? hows it 
> working
> out for you?
>
>  Thanks,
> Marty
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Jan 11 09:31:18 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:31:18 EST
Subject: [Fot] reinstatement of John McCue
Message-ID: <6405.6fd866ef.387cac56@cs.com>

JOHN McCue    slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net   

John was running a GT6 and then went to a Spridget for awhile.

He is back with a Spitfire.

Mark, please reinstate John and Amici welcome him back to FOT Fold.

Spitfire population is on the rise, methinks....this is a good thing.

Joe A
</HTML>


From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 09:41:39 2010
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:41:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] reinstatement of John McCue
In-Reply-To: <6405.6fd866ef.387cac56@cs.com>
Message-ID: <821009.47170.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

So many little cars, so little time.  Welcome back.

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:


From: n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Subject: [Fot] reinstatement of John McCue
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 10:31 AM


JOHN McCue    slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net   

John was running a GT6 and then went to a Spridget for awhile.

He is back with a Spitfire.

Mark, please reinstate John and Amici welcome him back to FOT Fold.

Spitfire population is on the rise, methinks....this is a good thing.

Joe A
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From cak at dimebank.com  Mon Jan 11 12:06:45 2010
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:06:45 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1263236401.28615.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.3.1263236401.28615.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4B4B76C5.3070309@dimebank.com>

In some parts of the world, the hot setup for Spitfire differentials is the Datsun 510 diff ... 
which looks remarkably like the Subaru diff of recent years. I don't know the details, but I bet you 
can find out from some of the clubs down under.


From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 12:51:28 2010
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:51:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials
In-Reply-To: <4B4B76C5.3070309@dimebank.com>
Message-ID: <998723.66507.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

The following is a link found on the Spitfire/GT6 magazine web regarding a
Subie diff in a Spit6.
 
http://pages.prodigy.net/mikeross/00019.htm 
 
Interesting.
 
Ernie


--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Chris Kantarjiev <cak at dimebank.com> wrote:


In some parts of the world, the hot setup for Spitfire differentials is the
Datsun 510 diff ... which looks remarkably like the Subaru diff of recent
years. I don't know the details, but I bet you can find out from some of the
clubs down under.


From herald948 at aol.com  Mon Jan 11 13:43:52 2010
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:43:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials
In-Reply-To: <4B4B76C5.3070309@dimebank.com>
References: <mailman.3.1263236401.28615.fot@autox.team.net>
	<4B4B76C5.3070309@dimebank.com>
Message-ID: <8CC6115EB9B62B5-3BA8-346E@webmail-d090.sysops.aol.com>

 Similarly, I've heard of folks using that Subaru differential!



--Andy Mace

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*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Kantarjiev <cak at dimebank.com>


In some parts of the world, the hot setup for Spitfire differentials is the
Datsun 510 diff ... which looks remarkably like the Subaru diff of recent
years. I don't know the details, but I bet you can find out from some of the
clubs down under.


From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Mon Jan 11 14:48:39 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:48:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials
In-Reply-To: <8CC6115EB9B62B5-3BA8-346E@webmail-d090.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100111214840.TPYGC.83052.root@cdptpa-web07-z01>

Subaru and Datsun 510 do share a diff that is similar. I believe the diff is manufactured by Hitachi Heavy Industry's. Outward appearances are the same and when they first appeared in Subaru's they were the same on the inside, right down to the clutch type LSD. Over the course of time, up to today, Subaru's still uses the same diff case but has changed to viscous LSD (not good in this case for racing) and changed the way the stub axles are retained so the side plate and ring carrier is different. One of the websites out there details installing the Datsun/Subaru diff in a GT6/Spitfire. Do a google search.

Bob Davis

---- Andrew Mace <herald948 at aol.com> wrote: 
>  Similarly, I've heard of folks using that Subaru differential!
> 
> 
> 
> --Andy Mace
> 
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
> Herald engine with wings.
> -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)
> 
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> Register: http://www.vtr.org
> 
> Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
> Database: http://triumph-herald.us
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Kantarjiev <cak at dimebank.com>
> 
> 
> In some parts of the world, the hot setup for Spitfire differentials is the
> Datsun 510 diff ... which looks remarkably like the Subaru diff of recent
> years. I don't know the details, but I bet you can find out from some of the
> clubs down under.
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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Mon Jan 11 14:53:03 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:53:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials
In-Reply-To: <4B4B76C5.3070309@dimebank.com>
Message-ID: <20100111215303.5W3NL.83139.root@cdptpa-web07-z01>

If nothing else......GT6 Steve, makes a terrific conversion using the Datsun 510/240Z halfshafts in a GT6/Spitfire. 

Bob Davis

---- Chris Kantarjiev <cak at dimebank.com> wrote: 
> In some parts of the world, the hot setup for Spitfire differentials is the Datsun 510 diff ... 
> which looks remarkably like the Subaru diff of recent years. I don't know the details, but I bet you 
> can find out from some of the clubs down under.
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From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Tue Jan 12 11:48:34 2010
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:48:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Harland Sharp Roller Rockers
Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A696EB8@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>

Afternoon Members,

I posted a list a few days ago about how my engine builder didn't want
to use the Harland Sharp roller rockers I had purchased for my 1300
Spitfire vintage racer and that I wanted to sell them. He said they were
all over the place as far as dimensions etc.

Well seems I stirred up a hornet's nest of folks wanting to buy them and
also the manufacturer and Ted that distributes them too!

Anyway after getting the rockers I just sent them on to my builder,
never looked at them. He never looked at them either and when it was
time to use them this came up!  Last night he and I spoke on the phone
and he did some measurements. First off there isn't any off set in the
arm???  Then the shaft is 5/8" not 1/2". Seems we were shipped the wrong
parts maybe for MG???

Anyway Harland Sharp and Ted want them back ASAP and have told me they
will take care of getting me the right stuff too. Good customer service
I say!!!!!!!!!!!!

So I wanted to post that is seems this is a total SNAFU that is no
body's fault, just stuff that happens occasionally and will get resolved
shortly. If we (Me, Ted and Harland Sharp) find out different we'll be
sure to let you know.

Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax
www.dieselperformanceparts.com


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jan 12 20:49:47 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:49:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
Message-ID: <20100113035001.6764F18766B@autox.team.net>

Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual 
shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP 
bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's 
1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the 
dimensions (length) I could try to cross reference the engines that 
ARP lists main cap bolts for.

Thanks in advance,
Tony Drews


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Tue Jan 12 21:15:13 2010
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:15:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
Message-ID: <628916.18962.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Lister's: Is there anyone on the list who has taken TR7 gears and installed them into a Spitfire single rail box? If so, what are the in's and out's of the swap? 
Thanks in advance - Ed 


From srcypher at mac.com  Tue Jan 12 22:17:59 2010
From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott.Cypher)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 05:17:59 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
Message-ID: <1718385147-1263359924-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-91627234-@bda497.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

A variant of this mod is to get the input shaft of the 4sd tr7 trans modified to match a sing rail spit input shaft.  I have one a prior owner modified this way.


------Original Message------
From: EDWARD BARNARD
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: of	Triumph, Friends
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
Sent: Jan 12, 2010 23:15

Lister's: Is there anyone on the list who has taken TR7 gears and installed them into a Spitfire single rail box? If so, what are the in's and out's of the swap? 
Thanks in advance - Ed 
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Tue Jan 12 22:29:44 2010
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:29:44 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
References: <20100113035001.6764F18766B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <68D04AE0917B4286B96D90C6B03C7667@Pendys>

Tony, All bolts measure 3.425 w/o washer, washer measures .150. This set i 
have appear to be stock. Mark
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:49 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP


> Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual shows 
> 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP bolts you 
> would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's 1/2" longer to 
> allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the dimensions (length) I 
> could try to cross reference the engines that ARP lists main cap bolts 
> for.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tony Drews
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From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 13 05:48:36 2010
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 04:48:36 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
Message-ID: <16435517.1263386916728.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I have had the TR7 input shafts splined to match a Spit then had them hardened. It was a bit expensive but better than the old way of welding them together.  I do have a great Dog Box for the Spits.  Joe 


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>Sent: Jan 12, 2010 8:15 PM
>To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
>
>Lister's: Is there anyone on the list who has taken TR7 gears and installed them into a Spitfire single rail box? If so, what are the in's and out's of the swap? 
>Thanks in advance - Ed 
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From limeyv8 at aol.com  Wed Jan 13 07:55:18 2010
From: limeyv8 at aol.com (limeyv8 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:55:18 EST
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
Message-ID: <4d77.46839f9b.387f38d6@aol.com>

I have a TR7 4 speed gearbox I'd love to get rid of - if anybody is looking 
 for one to do this with.
 
Cheers,
Jack Mc
 
 
In a message dated 1/12/2010 11:22:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
edwardbarnard at prodigy.net writes:

Lister's: Is there anyone on the list who has taken TR7 gears and  
installed them into a Spitfire single rail box? If so, what are the in's and  out's 
of the swap? 
Thanks in advance - Ed  
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From gasket.works at verizon.net  Wed Jan 13 08:01:19 2010
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:01:19 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
References: <20100113035001.6764F18766B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <003601ca9461$43ff64f0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

What I did was just measure the entire legnth of the bolt and added a bit 
(can't recall) ... went to my local fastener place 
www.specialty-fasteners.com  and asked for off the shelf studs and wavy 
washers with 12 point nuts.  Never an issue since.


Mordy

M.N.Dunst
Gasket Works USA, LLC
www.Headgasket.com
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626.628.3777 fx

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:49 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP


> Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual shows 
> 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP bolts you 
> would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's 1/2" longer to 
> allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the dimensions (length) I 
> could try to cross reference the engines that ARP lists main cap bolts 
> for.
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> Tony Drews
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From bkahler1 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 08:08:40 2010
From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:08:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <628916.18962.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <628916.18962.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f99bbf591001130708t1bc72565pd0a6b015ddb1a87f@mail.gmail.com>

There is a way to use the gears inside a Spitfire gearbox utilizing
the Spitfire input shaft I'd sure like to hear about it as well.
Using a TR7 gearbox is high on the list of things to do to Susan's
spitfire.

Brad


On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:15 PM, EDWARD BARNARD
<edwardbarnard at prodigy.net> wrote:
> Lister's: Is there anyone on the list who has taken TR7 gears and installed them into a Spitfire single rail box? If so, what are the in's and out's of the swap?
> Thanks in advance - Ed
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Wed Jan 13 08:50:06 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:50:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <f99bbf591001130708t1bc72565pd0a6b015ddb1a87f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <628916.18962.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<f99bbf591001130708t1bc72565pd0a6b015ddb1a87f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6512C01E-02DD-4CAC-B246-5A91BF3DB77C@comcast.net>

John at Quantum Mechanics has built GT6 boxes with TR7 gears, better  
bushings, etc.
he claims they are sturdier construction than a stock GT6 box, though  
I still managed to destroy one.

On Jan 13, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Brad Kahler wrote:

There is a way to use the gears inside a Spitfire gearbox utilizing
the Spitfire input shaft I'd sure like to hear about it as well.
Using a TR7 gearbox is high on the list of things to do to Susan's
spitfire.

Brad


From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Jan 13 09:54:05 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:54:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <6512C01E-02DD-4CAC-B246-5A91BF3DB77C@comcast.net>
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 I have never seen a TR7 box disassembled but I am pretty sure that the gear
on the input shaft is different from the one on the Spitfire single rail.
Therefore, unless someone has manufactured a Spitfire sized input shaft with
the TR7 gear on it, I doubt this will be possible. 

Joe                                                       

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:50 AM
Cc: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire

John at Quantum Mechanics has built GT6 boxes with TR7 gears, better  
bushings, etc.
he claims they are sturdier construction than a stock GT6 box, though  
I still managed to destroy one.

On Jan 13, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Brad Kahler wrote:

There is a way to use the gears inside a Spitfire gearbox utilizing
the Spitfire input shaft I'd sure like to hear about it as well.
Using a TR7 gearbox is high on the list of things to do to Susan's
spitfire.

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From harmug at us.ibm.com  Wed Jan 13 14:45:11 2010
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:45:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1263409201.32309.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF355C4156.C55A6387-ON852576AA.007705F9-852576AA.00777C44@us.ibm.com>

John at Quantum Mechanics makes TR7 gear set, close ratio, full syncro
conversions for Spitfires that come in a standard single rail case. I'm
happy with mine, I've had it for about a year.

http://www.quantumechanics.com/
mike


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Wed Jan 13 15:43:29 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:43:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
In-Reply-To: <615306.84777.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <615306.84777.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B4E4C91.6020609@blacksburg.net>

On 1/13/2010 8:41 AM, A Daniel Cronin wrote:
> Gang,
> would hope this information is shared with the remainder of the list!!
>
> Regards,
> Dan Cronin
>
ARP bolts for the TR4 mains are HAR 3.500-5, while the washers are 
200-8513.

For folks who haven't used ARP hardware before, they recommend cycling 
(torque/loosen) new hardware 5 times before the final torque.

jim

>
>
> --- On *Tue, 1/12/10, J.C. Hassall /<jhassall at blacksburg.net>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: J.C. Hassall <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
>     Subject: Re: [TR] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
>     To: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
>     Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net, jhassall at vt.edu
>     Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 11:09 PM
>
>     On 1/12/2010 10:52 PM, Tony Drews wrote:
>     > Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The
>     manual shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure
>     out what ARP bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and
>     also one that's 1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center
>     main.  If I had the dimensions (length) I could try to cross
>     reference the engines that ARP lists main cap bolts for.
>
>     Tony, 3.5 inches under the head.  I can give you the ARP number
>     tomorrow, but don't have access to my build log right now.
>
>     jim
>


-- 
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Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jan 13 16:03:21 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:03:21 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
In-Reply-To: <20100113035001.6764F18766B@autox.team.net>
References: <20100113035001.6764F18766B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4B4E5139.6080507@pobox.com>

Tony,
I don't know the dimensions, but the ARP part no. 200-6021 for the 
replacement bolts for stock rods.  They come in packages of two. Highly 
recommended.
Larry Young

Tony Drews wrote:
> Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual 
> shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP 
> bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's 
> 1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the 
> dimensions (length) I could try to cross reference the engines that 
> ARP lists main cap bolts for.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tony Drews
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jan 13 16:04:23 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:04:23 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
In-Reply-To: <4B4E1A40.40104@pobox.com>
References: <20100113035001.6764F18766B@autox.team.net>
	<4B4E1A40.40104@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <4B4E5177.3080604@pobox.com>

Oops, you said mains, I was thinking rods.  Sorry.

Larry Young wrote:
> Tony,
> I don't know the dimensions, but the ARP part no. 200-6021 are the 
> replacement bolts for stock rods.  They come in packages of two. 
> Highly recommended.
> Larry Young
>
> Tony Drews wrote:
>> Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual 
>> shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP 
>> bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's 
>> 1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the 
>> dimensions (length) I could try to cross reference the engines that 
>> ARP lists main cap bolts for.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Tony Drews
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Jan 13 18:08:20 2010
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:08:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Henry Frye
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Hello everyone, 
I'd like to give recognition to Henry for contributing a great little article about the Portland Kastner Cup race in the latest issue of The Vintage Triumph. He mentions many details of the weekends racing and reminds me of the quality of camaraderie shared in the paddock. Henry is obviously excellent at many things including the barbecue. Thanks Henry. The Vintage Triumph is the publication of The Vintage Triumph Register. There were also a few good photos by Chuck Arnold and the Kastner Cup race results. 


Dave Hogye 


From igofaster at att.net  Wed Jan 13 18:22:12 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:22:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <6512C01E-02DD-4CAC-B246-5A91BF3DB77C@comcast.net>
References: <628916.18962.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<f99bbf591001130708t1bc72565pd0a6b015ddb1a87f@mail.gmail.com>
	<6512C01E-02DD-4CAC-B246-5A91BF3DB77C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <250224.49824.qm@web180706.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I too have destroyed a gearbox or two from Quantum... 

I did talk to Ric Cline today (thanks Bob Davis for referencing) and he's THE MAN that raced the GT6's in SCCA... He stated he had better luck with the GT6 gearbox but he always 'double clutched'... even stated he went through several TR4-6 tranny's and the GT6 box was better... I haven't been so fortunate even though I'm not running hard..
John @ Quantum is building me a TR6 gearbox with close ratio gears for my GT6... he has honored every problem I've had with his stuff but maaaaaan..... can I get a gearbox that will last,,,,, the world may never know,,,   (don't mind the Toyota T-50 in my car right now)

Bobby Whitehead
DP CVAR #39 Triumph GT6+
Cc: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 9:50:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire

John at Quantum Mechanics has built GT6 boxes with TR7 gears, better  
bushings, etc.
he claims they are sturdier construction than a stock GT6 box, though  
I still managed to destroy one.

On Jan 13, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Brad Kahler wrote:

There is a way to use the gears inside a Spitfire gearbox utilizing
the Spitfire input shaft I'd sure like to hear about it as well.
Using a TR7 gearbox is high on the list of things to do to Susan's
spitfire.

Brad
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Wed Jan 13 19:23:53 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:23:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
In-Reply-To: <4B4E4C91.6020609@blacksburg.net>
References: <615306.84777.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4B4E4C91.6020609@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <4B4E8039.3010908@blacksburg.net>

On 1/13/2010 5:43 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote:
> ARP bolts for the TR4 mains are HAR 3.500-5, while the washers are
> 200-8513.
>
> For folks who haven't used ARP hardware before, they recommend cycling
> (torque/loosen) new hardware 5 times before the final torque.
>
> jim
>
>    
Crap, I meant to mention that the 5 cycle issue is only for the first time ARP hardware is used with old threads.  Also, the torque for the mains is 95 lb-ft.

jim

>> --- On *Tue, 1/12/10, J.C. Hassall /<jhassall at blacksburg.net>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>>      From: J.C. Hassall<jhassall at blacksburg.net>
>>      Subject: Re: [TR] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
>>      To: "Tony Drews"<tony at tonydrews.com>
>>      Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net, jhassall at vt.edu
>>      Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 11:09 PM
>>
>>      On 1/12/2010 10:52 PM, Tony Drews wrote:
>>      >  Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The
>>      manual shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure
>>      out what ARP bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and
>>      also one that's 1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center
>>      main.  If I had the dimensions (length) I could try to cross
>>      reference the engines that ARP lists main cap bolts for.
>>
>>      Tony, 3.5 inches under the head.  I can give you the ARP number
>>      tomorrow, but don't have access to my build log right now.
>>
>>      jim
>>
>>      

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From jaboruch at netzero.net  Wed Jan 13 19:31:48 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:31:48 GMT
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main Strapping
Message-ID: <20100113.213148.15775.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>

I have already seen the bolt information posted, but I am curious why strap
the center main?  I have heard of others doing it, but not sure what it will
help with.  I run 13.6 CR, and have my rev limiter set at 7300 rpm and have
not had any unusual bearing wear.  What am I missing?  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:49:47 -0600

Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual
shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP
bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's
1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the
dimensions (length) I could try to cross reference the engines that
ARP lists main cap bolts for.

Thanks in advance,
Tony Drews

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From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jan 13 19:54:26 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:54:26 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Henry Frye
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Not only are Henry and his charming wife Helen a credit to the FOT, but he is
a fine hand at barbecuing lamb, a generous guest (loved the wine bud--it's now
one of our very favorites) and a tireless helping hand. Henry, it's good to
know you.

Incidentally, if you happen to be in Maui and see this rig, be sure to flag me
down.

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On Jan 13, 2010, at 3:08 PM, davehogye wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> I'd like to give recognition to Henry for contributing a great little
article about the Portland Kastner Cup race in the latest issue of The Vintage
Triumph. He mentions many details of the weekends racing and reminds me of the
quality of camaraderie shared in the paddock. Henry is obviously excellent at
many things including the barbecue. Thanks Henry. The Vintage Triumph is the
publication of The Vintage Triumph Register. There were also a few good photos
by Chuck Arnold and the Kastner Cup race results.
>
>
> Dave Hogye
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jan 13 19:57:19 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:57:19 -1000
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main Strapping
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Probably belt and suspenders, but for the small amount of work and weight, why
not. At least one of my motors has it, and hasn't blown yet. Of course it's a
lot like my elephant repellant. Haven't seen any elephants, must be working.

On Jan 13, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Joe Boruch wrote:

> I have already seen the bolt information posted, but I am curious why strap
> the center main?  I have heard of others doing it, but not sure what it
will
> help with.  I run 13.6 CR, and have my rev limiter set at 7300 rpm and have
> not had any unusual bearing wear.  What am I missing?  Joe(B)
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:49:47 -0600
>
> Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual
> shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP
> bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's
> 1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the
> dimensions (length) I could try to cross reference the engines that
> ARP lists main cap bolts for.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tony Drews
>
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 13 20:01:59 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:01:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
In-Reply-To: <4B4E5139.6080507@pobox.com>
References: <20100113035001.6764F18766B@autox.team.net>
	<4B4E5139.6080507@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <EE11D9E5-B118-4107-BC36-CAB8003EF82F@earthlink.net>

I've have a set of 8 of these [ARP rod bolts] new in the package if  
anyone wants them for my cost... maybe a little less. Don't remember  
what I payed and I'm a couple years late in sending them back, but  
let me know if interested.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Jan 13, 2010, at 4:03 PM, Larry Young wrote:

> Tony,
> I don't know the dimensions, but the ARP part no. 200-6021 for the
> replacement bolts for stock rods.  They come in packages of two.  
> Highly
> recommended.
> Larry Young
>
> Tony Drews wrote:
>> Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual
>> shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP
>> bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's
>> 1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the
>> dimensions (length) I could try to cross reference the engines that
>> ARP lists main cap bolts for.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Tony Drews
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 13 20:15:12 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:15:12 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Henry Frye
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Haven't seen the article, but I've got a hunch Henry could have been  
a bit understated in his TRrific efforts.
Did I remember to say thanks Henry?
[anyone want to scan it/send it?]
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Jan 13, 2010, at 6:08 PM, davehogye wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> I'd like to give recognition to Henry for contributing a great  
> little article about the Portland Kastner Cup race in the latest  
> issue of The Vintage Triumph. He mentions many details of the  
> weekends racing and reminds me of the quality of camaraderie shared  
> in the paddock. Henry is obviously excellent at many things  
> including the barbecue. Thanks Henry. The Vintage Triumph is the  
> publication of The Vintage Triumph Register. There were also a few  
> good photos by Chuck Arnold and the Kastner Cup race results.
>
>
> Dave Hogye


From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 13 22:08:16 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:08:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 accusump plumbing
Message-ID: <776706.15274.qm@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Can the accusump be plumbed into one of the oil galley ports on the side of
the engine? 


From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Jan 13 23:01:23 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:01:23 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 accusump plumbing
In-Reply-To: <776706.15274.qm@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <776706.15274.qm@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100114060140.3086118764B@autox.team.net>

That's supposed to be the best way to do it.  It bypasses other 
sources of oil pressure loss like the oil cooler and filter that way.

- Tony

At 11:08 PM 1/13/2010, you wrote:
>Can the accusump be plumbed into one of the oil galley ports on the side of
>the engine?
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jan 13 23:14:04 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:14:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 accusump plumbing
In-Reply-To: <776706.15274.qm@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <776706.15274.qm@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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Yes but you have to drill and tap for a -8 or -10 fitting
Jim g

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 13, 2010, at 10:08 PM, Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Can the accusump be plumbed into one of the oil galley ports on the  
> side of
> the engine?
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Jan 14 06:13:33 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:13:33 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 accusump plumbing
In-Reply-To: <8C592C7C-619C-4D92-9866-B1191A8205E8@comcast.net>
References: <776706.15274.qm@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<8C592C7C-619C-4D92-9866-B1191A8205E8@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701D85@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Or an NPT fitting and use an adaptor to AN.  It's easier to find a tap,
that way.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jim Gray
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:14 AM
To: Mike Mehl
Cc: Triumph Friends of
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 accusump plumbing

Yes but you have to drill and tap for a -8 or -10 fitting
Jim g

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 13, 2010, at 10:08 PM, Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Can the accusump be plumbed into one of the oil galley ports on the
> side of
> the engine?
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From mlcooknj at msn.com  Thu Jan 14 08:03:24 2010
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:03:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Henry Frye
In-Reply-To: <4F15AAEC-F508-4733-930D-D3FD4DCC9659@earthlink.net>
References: <509370009.8745471263431300936.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>,
	<4F15AAEC-F508-4733-930D-D3FD4DCC9659@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY136-W10F3620E3CAA951266D221C86A0@phx.gbl>

Anyone who wants to read Henry's contributions to The Vintage Triumph (and a
lot of other good stuff) can always join the Vintage Triumph Register. Six
issues of TVT, a good website and lots of interesting fellow members ... $35/
year!



Mike Cook

> From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net
> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:15:12 -0700
> To: dlhogye at comcast.net; henry at henryfrye.com
> CC: Fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Thanks to Henry Frye
>
> Haven't seen the article, but I've got a hunch Henry could have been
> a bit understated in his TRrific efforts.
> Did I remember to say thanks Henry?
> [anyone want to scan it/send it?]
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
> On Jan 13, 2010, at 6:08 PM, davehogye wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone,
> > I'd like to give recognition to Henry for contributing a great
> > little article about the Portland Kastner Cup race in the latest
> > issue of The Vintage Triumph. He mentions many details of the
> > weekends racing and reminds me of the quality of camaraderie shared
> > in the paddock. Henry is obviously excellent at many things
> > including the barbecue. Thanks Henry. The Vintage Triumph is the
> > publication of The Vintage Triumph Register. There were also a few
> > good photos by Chuck Arnold and the Kastner Cup race results.
> >
> >
> > Dave Hogye
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From triosan at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 09:10:13 2010
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:10:13 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR4 accusump plumbing
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701D85@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <776706.15274.qm@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<8C592C7C-619C-4D92-9866-B1191A8205E8@comcast.net>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701D85@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d1001140810o4d817708u4ff4202098396cc5@mail.gmail.com>

OR do it like I [after Kas and GTSteve] did:  I have a one way valve
coming out of the oil cooler thermostat housing.  That connects to a
"T" fitting.  One end of the "T" goes to the Accusump.  The other end
goes to a fuel distributor that has an 1/2 inch NPT input a input and
6 3/8 npt outputs. Five of these outputs is hooked to  AN4 fittings.
Each of the 5 Galley plugs [TR6}, which are 1/8 npt, also have AN4
fittings.  Hoses then goe from the distributor to the galley.  There
is no hose back from the T to the oil filter.  All the return oil goes
into the galleys [per Kas suggestion when I discussed my number 6 rod
failure with him at the CRC].

Chuck

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
> Or an NPT fitting and use an adaptor to AN.  It's easier to find a tap,
> that way.
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Jim Gray
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:14 AM
> To: Mike Mehl
> Cc: Triumph Friends of
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 accusump plumbing
>
> Yes but you have to drill and tap for a -8 or -10 fitting
> Jim g
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2010, at 10:08 PM, Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Can the accusump be plumbed into one of the oil galley ports on the
>> side of
>> the engine?
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 13:10:33 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:10:33 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Dash
Message-ID: <65f1eaba1001141210y48939835v1941a4f4cb1b6304@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have an original dash panel for a TR4? I'm looking for the
original white painted fascia with the black surround around the
instruments. Feel free to contact me off list.

-- 
Very truly yours,

John Nikas
Cape Coventry Racing
www.capecoventryracing.com
(949) 375-6306


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Jan 14 19:18:26 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:18:26 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
In-Reply-To: <20100113035001.6764F18766B@autox.team.net>
References: <20100113035001.6764F18766B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <002901ca9589$06748c40$135da4c0$@com>

I'm just taking the crank out today and measured the main cap bolts.  They
are the original Triumph bolts as they are stamped "SPARTS" on the heads.
The dimensions from the bottom of the hex head to the end of the bolts are;
3.420
3.430
3.420
3.450
3.400
3.445
as measured with a calipers.

On a side note, when we took the clutch and flywheel off there was NO oil
whatsoever at the rear main bearing seal.  Completely dry.  When I pounded
the felt pieces soaked in Indian head in with the trapezoidal punches I
made, I had felt coming out between the main cap and the block on both sides
almost the entire length.  I also used the Moss mandrel to locate the
aluminum bearing pieces.  That's after I turned the mandrel down to the
correct diameter.  It was too large as received and would have left a gap in
the aluminum seal.  The downside of this is that the rear bearing block came
out REALLY hard.  Broke my 1/4-20 pushers and had to modify the pusher block
to use 3/8-24 bolts to get it out.  But it did seal, just as Kas said it
would in his e-mails and book!!

Tim Murphy
1961 TR4 #317

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:50 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP

Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual 
shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP 
bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's 
1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the 
dimensions (length) I could try to cross reference the engines that 
ARP lists main cap bolts for.

Thanks in advance,
Tony Drews
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Thu Jan 14 20:07:21 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:07:21 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Bellhousings
Message-ID: <89C8323E11B44CF5B3549B996D384230@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

I've got two of the aluminum bellhousings that came with my race car when I
bought it.  They are quite a bit different, different flange to engine
thickness, different ribbing, etc.  The heavier of the two is cracked in
several spots, most likely from what appears to be sheared flywheel bolts
and the flywheel floating around loose inside the bellhousing.

I'm going to be on the lookout for a second bellhousing to replace the
broken one and carry as a spare.  Does anyone know what cars these
originally came off of to aid me in my search?  Thanks in advance.

Jim Norlin


From cwnfot at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 21:00:51 2010
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:00:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Bellhousings
In-Reply-To: <89C8323E11B44CF5B3549B996D384230@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
References: <89C8323E11B44CF5B3549B996D384230@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <01c301ca9597$551f85d0$ff5e9170$@com>

I think they were all on Heralds.
I'm sure Andy Mace will supply the information!
One of the "heavy duty" ones sold recently on ebay for $150

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
"Reality, it's not what you think."


From robertten1 at aol.com  Thu Jan 14 21:35:27 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:35:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Bellhousings
In-Reply-To: <01c301ca9597$551f85d0$ff5e9170$@com>
References: <89C8323E11B44CF5B3549B996D384230@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<01c301ca9597$551f85d0$ff5e9170$@com>
Message-ID: <8CC63B34BF53053-24B0-11B35@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com>

 They are available from Canley Classics.  Just a note DON'T use the thinner
version, they crack and break easily under race conditions.


My $.02
Bob T








-----Original Message-----
From: Clark W. Nicholls <cwnfot at gmail.com>
To: 'Norlin Engineering' <norlinengineering at comcast.net>; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2010 11:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Bellhousings


I think they were all on Heralds.
I'm sure Andy Mace will supply the information!
One of the "heavy duty" ones sold recently on ebay for $150

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
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From henry at henryfrye.com  Fri Jan 15 04:12:17 2010
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 06:12:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Henry Frye
In-Reply-To: <7993FDEA-539A-4AF2-A2A4-035930D0FD7A@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805056477@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local>

No problem, guys, you're quite welcome.

Just doing what I like to do...


From rkrantz77 at comcast.net  Fri Jan 15 05:07:36 2010
From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:07:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Bellhousings
In-Reply-To: <89C8323E11B44CF5B3549B996D384230@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <1055245270.12297691263557256848.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

The thin castings were on Heralds and the thick ones were on the early
Spitfires that came into the USA.

Ron K

ReK Racing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:07:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Bellhousings

I've got two of the aluminum bellhousings that came with my race car when I
bought it. B They are quite a bit different, different flange to engine
thickness, different ribbing, etc. B The heavier of the two is cracked in
several spots, most likely from what appears to be sheared flywheel bolts
and the flywheel floating around loose inside the bellhousing.

I'm going to be on the lookout for a second bellhousing to replace the
broken one and carry as a spare. B Does anyone know what cars these
originally came off of to aid me in my search? B Thanks in advance.

Jim Norlin
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From herald948 at aol.com  Fri Jan 15 07:16:39 2010
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:16:39 EST
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Bellhousings
Message-ID: <1e640.9c4ddb4.3881d2c7@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/14/2010 11:40:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
robertten1 at aol.com writes:

They are  available from Canley Classics.  Just a note DON'T use the  
thinner
version, they crack and break easily under race  conditions.
 
==AM==
Right! There are at least two versions. The one with fewer "ribs" and a  
very thin flange was used on the 948 and some early 1200 Heralds. The one with 
 more "ribs" and a thicker flange appeared on some early Spitfire 4 models; 
 I'm not sure how long it was used on the Spitfire, but I suspect it was 
largely  replaced by the cast iron version by the mid-1960s.
 
I've at least one of each, not counting what's on various cars I have  
about the place. They do take a fair bit of abuse...to a point (I've got one  
with a tiny hole or two resulting from the self-destruction of a pressure 
plate  in my Herald).  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph 
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Fri Jan 15 13:20:51 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
Message-ID: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net>

has anyone had good or bad experiences with these?  Thinking about  
replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.

I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search  
the archives by subject?


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 16 08:13:35 2010
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:13:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
In-Reply-To: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net>
References: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W34400F27AB45EE25666076BA680@phx.gbl>

I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would definitely do it
again. Good stuff.

Marty

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> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
> Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>
> has anyone had good or bad experiences with these?  Thinking about
> replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>
> I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
> the archives by subject?
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Sat Jan 16 09:20:34 2010
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:20:34 -0800
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
References: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net>
	<BAY123-W34400F27AB45EE25666076BA680@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <668FE02A1E1747448773071DA00CDF8F@Pendys>

Guess i'm outta the loop here, how do i/we get more info. on this product, 
Mark P.
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets


>I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would definitely do 
>it
> again. Good stuff.
>
> Marty
>
>> From: s.janzen at comcast.net
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
>> Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>
>> has anyone had good or bad experiences with these?  Thinking about
>> replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>>
>> I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
>> the archives by subject?
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Jan 16 10:40:41 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:40:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
In-Reply-To: <668FE02A1E1747448773071DA00CDF8F@Pendys>
References: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net>
	<BAY123-W34400F27AB45EE25666076BA680@phx.gbl>
	<668FE02A1E1747448773071DA00CDF8F@Pendys>
Message-ID: <20100116174121.BAC3F187652@autox.team.net>

This is probably a good place to start:
http://jmwagnersales.com/

Works with the stock valve cover, not the aluminum one as I 
recall.  The folks who have them seem to love them.  You really need 
to have the engine cool to install the valve cover with this gasket 
in place - the heat expands the gasket and makes things difficult for 
installation.  So, if you're frequently pulling the valve cover 
between sessions at the track it's a bit of a challenge.  Otherwise, 
it's a nice solution.

- Tony Drews

At 10:20 AM 1/16/2010, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>Guess i'm outta the loop here, how do i/we get more info. on this 
>product, Mark P.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
>To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:13 AM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>
>
>>I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would definitely do it
>>again. Good stuff.
>>
>>Marty
>>
>>>From: s.janzen at comcast.net
>>>To: fot at autox.team.net
>>>Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
>>>Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>>
>>>has anyone had good or bad experiences with these?  Thinking about
>>>replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>>>
>>>I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
>>>the archives by subject?


From triosan at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 10:57:51 2010
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:57:51 -0800
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
In-Reply-To: <20100116174121.BAC3F187652@autox.team.net>
References: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net>
	<BAY123-W34400F27AB45EE25666076BA680@phx.gbl>
	<668FE02A1E1747448773071DA00CDF8F@Pendys>
	<20100116174121.BAC3F187652@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d1001160957l18a142aex5313e3ab13983311@mail.gmail.com>

I use these for the 6 cylinder with non-stock valve cover:

Had very good luck with one a guy sells on ebay all the time.
Glue it to the cover so if you have to have head work done you do not
lose it [ask me how I know].
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220296018075&ss
PageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

vendor name is roadstergaskets

Chuck

On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> This is probably a good place to start:
> http://jmwagnersales.com/
>
> Works with the stock valve cover, not the aluminum one as I recall.  The
> folks who have them seem to love them.  You really need to have the engine
> cool to install the valve cover with this gasket in place - the heat
expands
> the gasket and makes things difficult for installation.  So, if you're
> frequently pulling the valve cover between sessions at the track it's a bit
> of a challenge.  Otherwise, it's a nice solution.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 10:20 AM 1/16/2010, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>>
>> Guess i'm outta the loop here, how do i/we get more info. on this product,
>> Mark P.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>
>>
>>> I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would definitely
>>> do it
>>> again. Good stuff.
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
>>>> From: s.janzen at comcast.net
>>>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>>>> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
>>>> Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>>>
>>>> has anyone had good or bad experiences with these?  Thinking about
>>>> replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>>>>
>>>> I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
>>>> the archives by subject?
>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 16 15:13:01 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:13:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
In-Reply-To: <668FE02A1E1747448773071DA00CDF8F@Pendys>
References: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net><BAY123-W34400F27AB45EE25666076BA680@phx.gbl>
	<668FE02A1E1747448773071DA00CDF8F@Pendys>
Message-ID: <8CC651033F27B65-2918-1602D@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com>

I only  use Justin's Gaskets....you only have to buy them once.

Happy user for over ten years






-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Pendergrass <mpendy at dishmail.net>
To: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>; Scott Janzen <s.janzen at comcast.net>;
FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:20 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets


Guess i'm outta the loop here, how do i/we get more info. on this product,
Mark P.
----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets

>I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would definitely do
>it
> again. Good stuff.
>
> Marty
>
>> From: s.janzen at comcast.net
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
>> Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>
>> has anyone had good or bad experiences with these? Thinking about
>> replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>>
>> I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
>> the archives by subject?
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sat Jan 16 22:42:56 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:42:56 -0800
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
In-Reply-To: <20100116174121.BAC3F187652@autox.team.net>
References: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net>
	<BAY123-W34400F27AB45EE25666076BA680@phx.gbl>
	<668FE02A1E1747448773071DA00CDF8F@Pendys>
	<20100116174121.BAC3F187652@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4B52A360.2080109@greenheart.com>

If you need to remove the valve cover on a hot engine, just make sure 
you have a bucket of ice water standing by....  If you soak the gasket 
in ice water, it will shrink and be far easier to re-install.   My own 
tests showed that this shrunk the gasket further than sticking it in a 
freezer.   Go figure!  

You could glue the gasket to the valve cover with RTV silicone gasket 
maker.   I didn't recommend it (for the 4 banger TRs) over the years, as 
I felt, in theory, the gasket might not last as long.   However, it's 
mandatory for the TR6 type gaskets and it has worked out well.   You 
could give it a try.  I would be interested to hear how it worked for you.

The gaskets don't work with alloy covers.  (Though I learned when I was 
in England, that one of the works TR4's has one installed under an alloy 
cover.  Nevertheless, I don't recommend it.)

FOT.... remember... you all get $10 off gaskets for your Race Cars.  
I've been offering that since the gaskets and FOT were born.

--Justin





Tony Drews wrote:

> This is probably a good place to start:
> http://jmwagnersales.com/
>
> Works with the stock valve cover, not the aluminum one as I recall.  
> The folks who have them seem to love them.  You really need to have 
> the engine cool to install the valve cover with this gasket in place - 
> the heat expands the gasket and makes things difficult for 
> installation.  So, if you're frequently pulling the valve cover 
> between sessions at the track it's a bit of a challenge.  Otherwise, 
> it's a nice solution.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 10:20 AM 1/16/2010, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>
>> Guess i'm outta the loop here, how do i/we get more info. on this 
>> product, Mark P.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>
>>
>>> I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would 
>>> definitely do it
>>> again. Good stuff.
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
>>>> From: s.janzen at comcast.net
>>>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>>>> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
>>>> Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>>>
>>>> has anyone had good or bad experiences with these?  Thinking about
>>>> replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>>>>
>>>> I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
>>>> the archives by subject?
>>>
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sat Jan 16 22:42:58 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:42:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
Message-ID: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>

Question;

At what point did we start
using F1 to describe the cars
in lieu of Grand Prix.

Pre - wing cars would include
the Lotus 49 but exclude the
49B.

Or would it be pre-carbon
fiber & driver aid cars.

jim g


From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat Jan 16 22:46:49 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:46:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
In-Reply-To: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
References: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS61B332FEC6448452AB503C3670@phx.gbl>

I still call them Grand Prix cars.

That is what they are after all, even if they are now ugly as sin and do much
of the work for the driver.

Terry Stetler
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jim Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
  To: Friends of triumph<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 12:42 AM
  Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1


  Question;

  At what point did we start
  using F1 to describe the cars
  in lieu of Grand Prix.

  Pre - wing cars would include
  the Lotus 49 but exclude the
  49B.

  Or would it be pre-carbon
  fiber & driver aid cars.

  jim g
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sat Jan 16 22:48:42 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:48:42 -0800
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
In-Reply-To: <8CC651033F27B65-2918-1602D@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com>
References: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net><BAY123-W34400F27AB45EE25666076BA680@phx.gbl>
	<668FE02A1E1747448773071DA00CDF8F@Pendys>
	<8CC651033F27B65-2918-1602D@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B52A4BA.40807@greenheart.com>

That's the main problem with the gasket... the gasket first came out in 
1997 and I still haven't had a wave of second-round orders... the gasket 
lasts too long!
:-)

--Justin



n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:

>I only  use Justin's Gaskets....you only have to buy them once.
>
>Happy user for over ten years
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Pendergrass <mpendy at dishmail.net>
>To: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>; Scott Janzen <s.janzen at comcast.net>;
>FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:20 am
>Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>
>
>Guess i'm outta the loop here, how do i/we get more info. on this product,
>Mark P.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
>To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:13 AM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>
>  
>
>>I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would definitely do
>>it
>>again. Good stuff.
>>
>>Marty
>>
>>    
>>
>>>From: s.janzen at comcast.net
>>>To: fot at autox.team.net
>>>Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
>>>Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>>
>>>has anyone had good or bad experiences with these? Thinking about
>>>replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>>>
>>>I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
>>>the archives by subject?
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sat Jan 16 22:52:33 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:52:33 -0800
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d1001160957l18a142aex5313e3ab13983311@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net>
	<BAY123-W34400F27AB45EE25666076BA680@phx.gbl>
	<668FE02A1E1747448773071DA00CDF8F@Pendys>
	<20100116174121.BAC3F187652@autox.team.net>
	<8cbd782d1001160957l18a142aex5313e3ab13983311@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B52A5A1.60508@greenheart.com>

I agree... this is the guy to buy gaskets from if you have an alloy 
cover.  

Here's his website... you can order directly...
http://www.roadstergaskets.com/TR234.html

I think for the stock covers, my gaskets have him beat, but his flat 
gaskets are the bee's knees for alloys.

--Justin



Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:

>I use these for the 6 cylinder with non-stock valve cover:
>
>Had very good luck with one a guy sells on ebay all the time.
>Glue it to the cover so if you have to have head work done you do not
>lose it [ask me how I know].
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220296018075&ss
>PageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
>
>vendor name is roadstergaskets
>
>Chuck
>
>On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>This is probably a good place to start:
>>http://jmwagnersales.com/
>>
>>Works with the stock valve cover, not the aluminum one as I recall.  The
>>folks who have them seem to love them.  You really need to have the engine
>>cool to install the valve cover with this gasket in place - the heat
>>    
>>
>expands
>  
>
>>the gasket and makes things difficult for installation.  So, if you're
>>frequently pulling the valve cover between sessions at the track it's a bit
>>of a challenge.  Otherwise, it's a nice solution.
>>
>>- Tony Drews
>>
>>At 10:20 AM 1/16/2010, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Guess i'm outta the loop here, how do i/we get more info. on this product,
>>>Mark P.
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
>>>To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>>>Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:13 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would definitely
>>>>do it
>>>>again. Good stuff.
>>>>
>>>>Marty
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>From: s.janzen at comcast.net
>>>>>To: fot at autox.team.net
>>>>>Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
>>>>>Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>>>>
>>>>>has anyone had good or bad experiences with these?  Thinking about
>>>>>replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
>>>>>the archives by subject?
>>>>>          
>>>>>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan 17 03:36:43 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:36:43 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
In-Reply-To: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
References: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
Message-ID: <000901ca9760$f6c6aab0$e4540010$@com>

I have some old TV shows from the 60ties and listened to how they called the
cars:
The TV narrator called them F1-cars in year 65. Sorry that I don't have
earlier  shows.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Jim Gray
Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. Januar 2010 06:43
An: Friends of triumph
Betreff: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1

Question;

At what point did we start
using F1 to describe the cars
in lieu of Grand Prix.

Pre - wing cars would include
the Lotus 49 but exclude the
49B.

Or would it be pre-carbon
fiber & driver aid cars.

jim g
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 07:04:08 2010
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 06:04:08 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
In-Reply-To: <000901ca9760$f6c6aab0$e4540010$@com>
References: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
	<000901ca9760$f6c6aab0$e4540010$@com>
Message-ID: <4B5318D8.2070409@gmail.com>

I always thought "Grand Prix" was a family of vehicles with certain 
characteristics and that within the family umbrella you had the formula 
1, formula 2, formula-V, formula Ford & so on.  But then again I've 
never been a serious student of race car classification.

Teriann


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Sun Jan 17 07:51:37 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 08:51:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701DCD@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

I bought one from this same guy for my Spitfire (stock valve cover gasket) and have been very happy with it.

Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>
To: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
Cc: Triumph <6pack at autox.team.net>; FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat Jan 16 11:57:51 2010
Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets

I use these for the 6 cylinder with non-stock valve cover:

Had very good luck with one a guy sells on ebay all the time.
Glue it to the cover so if you have to have head work done you do not
lose it [ask me how I know].
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220296018075&ss
PageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

vendor name is roadstergaskets

Chuck

On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> This is probably a good place to start:
> http://jmwagnersales.com/
>
> Works with the stock valve cover, not the aluminum one as I recall.  The
> folks who have them seem to love them.  You really need to have the engine
> cool to install the valve cover with this gasket in place - the heat
expands
> the gasket and makes things difficult for installation.  So, if you're
> frequently pulling the valve cover between sessions at the track it's a bit
> of a challenge.  Otherwise, it's a nice solution.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 10:20 AM 1/16/2010, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>>
>> Guess i'm outta the loop here, how do i/we get more info. on this product,
>> Mark P.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>
>>
>>> I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would definitely
>>> do it
>>> again. Good stuff.
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
>>>> From: s.janzen at comcast.net
>>>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>>>> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
>>>> Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>>>
>>>> has anyone had good or bad experiences with these?  Thinking about
>>>> replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>>>>
>>>> I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
>>>> the archives by subject?
>
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From billdentin at aol.com  Sun Jan 17 08:58:28 2010
From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:58:28 EST
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
Message-ID: <15ad8.51e66b16.38848da4@aol.com>

In a message dated 01/16/2010 11:47:01 PM Central Standard Time, 
tlizzard at msn.com writes:


> That is what they are after all, even if they are now ugly as sin and do 
> much
> of the work for the driver.
> 
> 

Terry...

I took that same slant, but down a different road one time when I presented 
a question to David Hobbs, who was speaking at a VSCDA banquet I attended.  
As you might know, his family was involved in the manufacture of automatic 
transmissions and they were even used in race cars.  The thought of 
automatic transmissions in race cars fascinated me, since serious arthritis has 
become such an issue in my hips and knees.  But I presented the question similar 
to your take, suggesting modern drivers have cars that do much work for 
them.  Hobbs came back quickly, and without taking a breath.  He said, "At the 
speeds they are going now, they had better have cars that are helping them 
do their work."  

Incidentally, David Hobbs raced against the Tornado (TR3) Thunder Bolt back 
in England in the old days.  And in fact has a picture of it on the wall 
behind his desk at his Honda Dealership here near Milwaukee.  Granted his 
Lotus is in front of it in the picture, but there's the Thunder Bolt right 
behind.

And talking about pictures of our Thunder Bolt, there is a nice one in the 
2010 JAN/FEB issue of VINTAGE MOTORSPORTS as the 'Pick of the Litter' at 
last September's Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival races.  It's a nice little 
article, but NOTHING compared to the feature article in the same issue on Greg 
Sowlow, the Engine Room, Baby Doll(s), et al.  That's a SUPER article.  Kudos 
one and all!  As they hollered when Lady Godiva rode naked and side saddle 
through the streets of Conventry, "Hooray for our side!"

Bill Dentinger
  

Bill Dentinger


From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jan 17 10:57:33 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:57:33 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
In-Reply-To: <4B5318D8.2070409@gmail.com>
References: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
	<000901ca9760$f6c6aab0$e4540010$@com> <4B5318D8.2070409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CFAD44C8-0C23-40D7-9A61-18A96943CD8F@bnj.com>



From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan 17 11:08:57 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:08:57 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
In-Reply-To: <4B5318D8.2070409@gmail.com>
References: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
	<000901ca9760$f6c6aab0$e4540010$@com> <4B5318D8.2070409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001101ca97a0$26388400$72a98c00$@com>

I had a look on the German Wiki site about the F1.
They telling that they wanted to break the German domination at the Grand
Prix racing in the 30ies and created a new regulation in year 1947 and
called it "Formula 1" and added a F2 and F3 with smaller engine capathity.
The cars before '47 were Grand Prix cars, the cars after '47 were F1 cars.
The races before 1950 were a European racing. Since 1950 it became a World
championship.

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. Januar 2010 15:04
An: FOT
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1

I always thought "Grand Prix" was a family of vehicles with certain
characteristics and that within the family umbrella you had the formula
1, formula 2, formula-V, formula Ford & so on.  But then again I've
never been a serious student of race car classification.

Teriann
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 17 12:49:26 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:49:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
In-Reply-To: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
References: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
Message-ID: <968601.34561.qm@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I happen to have a copy of the FIA 1970 year book of Autombile sport.  It is
the rule book published by the FIA.  Advertisements all refer to the F1 Grand
Prix world championship.  If I am not mistaken F1 became more prevelant when
Bernie Ecclestone took over marketing F1 in the early 80s.  I have have Indy
programs from the 60s at which time Indy was part of the world championship
series.  I looked at a few other race programs I have.  The 1969 British GP
program says RAC British Grand Prix 19 July 1969 (no F1 on the cover).  The
1971 British GP program also has no F1 on the cover.  The 1971 French GP
program does not say Grand Prix but does say Formule 1 onthe cover.  I have
the 1972 USGP program which says on the cover Grand Prix of the United
States.  Formula 1 for the World Championship of Drivers.  One thing that is
pretty cool about the programs is my 69 British GP program is signed by Jack
Brabham, Bruce McLaren, Chirs Amon, Jochen
 Rindt, Piers Courage, Jo Siffert, Jacky Ickx and Denny Hulme.  I got the
signatures myself at age 7.  Jims email sparked me to look at the programs. 
Thanks

Mike Mehl




________________________________
From: Jim Gray
<toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: Friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Sat, January 16, 2010 9:42:58 PM
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
Question;

At what point did we start
using F1 to describe the cars
in lieu of
Grand Prix.

Pre - wing cars would include
the Lotus 49 but exclude the
49B.
Or would it be pre-carbon
fiber & driver aid cars.

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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Sun Jan 17 13:22:52 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:22:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
References: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
	<968601.34561.qm@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002801ca97b2$d9387850$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Mike, those are some pretty impressive signatures!
  Best I could do at the USGP in '68 was sneak into the Kendall Tech Center
after the race, help some British guys on a race team carry some items into
the garage, and chat with them. And hang around until 3 guys came walking up
with a giant bottle of champagne, gave it to the crew for a sip or two, who
promptly offered it to me! Didn't have a camera but did have a race program
and a pen. Jackie Stewart, who just won the race, Ken Terrell, his car
owner, and The Bear, Denny Hulme all signed it. I was in hog heaven! Still
got the program.
  And been hooked ever since.
  Great memories. Also lots of great memories since joining the Vintage
bunch. More to come.
  Bill--- Original Message -----
  From: "Mike Mehl" <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
  To: "Jim Gray" <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
  Cc: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 2:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1


  > I happen to have a copy of the FIA 1970 year book of Autombile sport.
It is
  > the rule book published by the FIA.  Advertisements all refer to the F1
Grand
  > Prix world championship.  If I am not mistaken F1 became more prevelant
when
  > Bernie Ecclestone took over marketing F1 in the early 80s.  I have have
Indy
  > programs from the 60s at which time Indy was part of the world
championship
  > series.  I looked at a few other race programs I have.  The 1969 British
GP
  > program says RAC British Grand Prix 19 July 1969 (no F1 on the cover).
The
  > 1971 British GP program also has no F1 on the cover.  The 1971 French GP
  > program does not say Grand Prix but does say Formule 1 onthe cover.  I
have
  > the 1972 USGP program which says on the cover Grand Prix of the United
  > States.  Formula 1 for the World Championship of Drivers.  One thing
that is
  > pretty cool about the programs is my 69 British GP program is signed by
Jack
  > Brabham, Bruce McLaren, Chirs Amon, Jochen
  >  Rindt, Piers Courage, Jo Siffert, Jacky Ickx and Denny Hulme.  I got
the
  > signatures myself at age 7.  Jims email sparked me to look at the
programs.
  > Thanks
  >
  > Mike Mehl
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > ________________________________
  > From: Jim Gray
  > <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
  > To: Friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
  > Sent:
  > Sat, January 16, 2010 9:42:58 PM
  > Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
  > Question;
  >
  > At what point did we start
  > using F1 to describe the cars
  > in lieu of
  > Grand Prix.
  >
  > Pre - wing cars would include
  > the Lotus 49 but exclude the
  > 49B.
  > Or would it be pre-carbon
  > fiber & driver aid cars.
  >
  > jim g
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan 17 14:32:54 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:32:54 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Season 2005
In-Reply-To: <968601.34561.qm@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
	<968601.34561.qm@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601ca97bc$a40112a0$ec0337e0$@com>

Got a CD from a professional photographer with loads of photos from the
season 2005, my 2nd season.
I just have uploaded 300 pics.
Visible is a TRS.
My car has the old US roll bar which I didn't came through scruteneering a
year later.
You might like to watch:

http://www.tr4-racing.de/pic/2005/nurburgring/Index.html

Cheers
Chris


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Sun Jan 17 21:24:51 2010
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:24:51 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW: rocker arm spacers
Message-ID: <000d01ca97f6$2dcda000$6501a8c0@blake1>

Maybe someone out there has already been through this.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg & Alison Blake [mailto:ablake2 at austin.rr.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:03 PM
To: 'N197TR4 at cs.com'
Subject: rocker arm spacers
 
Joe,
 
I have what I believe to be a set of your TR3/4 Nylatron Rocker Arm
Spacers (sourced from Moss).  Once I have the rocker gear assembled, as
I slide it on the pedestal bolts it is pretty tough to get the pedestals
to line up with the bolts.  I have to compress the assembly from the
front of the car to get the pedestal holes to line up with the bolts.
Then I have to push down pretty good to get the whole assembly to set
down onto the head.  As you can imagine, once I have done this, the
rocker arms themselves are very difficult to rotate.  So I have a couple
of questions before I torque things down and set the valve lash:
1.	Are these to be installed with a side clearance between the
spacer and the rocker arm?  What is the spec?
2.	Do they install tight and wear in?
3.	Were they meant to be a cut to fit application?
4.	What are the correct measurements for the various spacers?
5.	What is the best way to shave a few thousands off this material?
Flat surface and 600 cloth?
 
I am using a set of the special rocker arm pedestals that support the
ends of the rocker shaft sourced from British Frame and Engine.  I have
not put the calipers to the pedestals yet, maybe they are slightly
thicker than stock?
 
Thanks,
 
Greg


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 17 21:19:34 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:19:34 -0800
Subject: [Fot] FW: rocker arm spacers
In-Reply-To: <000d01ca97f6$2dcda000$6501a8c0@blake1>
References: <000d01ca97f6$2dcda000$6501a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <74145A8D-7B9C-4A5A-AEFF-3361D3760F4C@earthlink.net>

I've been through it.

First of all, the rocket pedistals from BFE are really cool.  They do,  
however need to modified to avoid hitting the ARP head stud nuts.   
This is accomplished with a die-grinder and you want to take a little  
off at a time so that you keep the thing strong.  Be sure to clean off  
all metal shavings before trying it on your cyl-head.  You don't want  
to get metal flakes in the oil.
Joe's rocker arm spacers are cool too but not made for Ken's rocker  
arm pedistals.  I sanded mine down to shave off enough material to  
make them fit.  I think I sanded them lop-sided and then got them  
"square" and wound up taking a little too much off. The really thin  
ones in the kit don't seem to work for me so I found some 5/8 ID thin  
aluminum washers that did the job.  .010 is the min clearance but more  
is okay.  I believe it was mentioned that you want to make sure there  
is ample clearance hot (.010)

~Steve



On Jan 17, 2010, at 8:24 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:

Maybe someone out there has already been through this.

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg & Alison Blake [mailto:ablake2 at austin.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:03 PM
To: 'N197TR4 at cs.com'
Subject: rocker arm spacers

Joe,

I have what I believe to be a set of your TR3/4 Nylatron Rocker Arm
Spacers (sourced from Moss).  Once I have the rocker gear assembled, as
I slide it on the pedestal bolts it is pretty tough to get the pedestals
to line up with the bolts.  I have to compress the assembly from the
front of the car to get the pedestal holes to line up with the bolts.
Then I have to push down pretty good to get the whole assembly to set
down onto the head.  As you can imagine, once I have done this, the
rocker arms themselves are very difficult to rotate.  So I have a couple
of questions before I torque things down and set the valve lash:
1.	Are these to be installed with a side clearance between the
spacer and the rocker arm?  What is the spec?
2.	Do they install tight and wear in?
3.	Were they meant to be a cut to fit application?
4.	What are the correct measurements for the various spacers?
5.	What is the best way to shave a few thousands off this material?
Flat surface and 600 cloth?

I am using a set of the special rocker arm pedestals that support the
ends of the rocker shaft sourced from British Frame and Engine.  I have
not put the calipers to the pedestals yet, maybe they are slightly
thicker than stock?

Thanks,

Greg
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Jan 18 08:30:49 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:30:49 EST
Subject: [Fot] ARE Rocker Arm Spacers
Message-ID: <2c80c.e2c040b.3885d8a9@cs.com>

> > I have what I believe to be a set of your TR3/4 Nylatron Rocker Arm 
> > Spacers (sourced from Moss). 
> > 
> > Are these to be installed with a side clearance between the spacer and 
> the 
> > rocker arm?  What is the spec?
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------------------------
> Yes...there are supposed to be instructions that ask for .010 min as a 
> 'guide' to allow for unknow rates of expansion. 
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------  
> > 
> > What is the best way to shave a few thousands off this material?  Flat 
> > surface and 600 cloth?

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------ 

> 
> This will work and is suggested in the instructions. Other producers 
> simply 
> make them way too short. I wanted to position the tip to the stem so it 
> was 
> consistent. 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------------------------------
> > I am using a set of the special rocker arm pedestals that support the 
> > ends of the rocker shaft sourced from British Frame and Engine.  I have 
> not 
> > put the calipers to the pedestals yet, maybe they are slightly thicker 
> than 
> > stock?
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------
> Uncle Jack encountered this and removed a little extra material. He was 
> very pleased with the outcome and included the spacers on all of his 
> engines.
> 
> Longevity:  Mike/Steve Belfer have used a Delrin Set for over two decades 
> and they are still on one of the original engines. And Delrin has a 
> slightly 
> lower heat working range.
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 
> For further entertainment look at    photobucket.com/ambro      there's 
> also some stuff in process of development, but not in production yet.
> 
> 

</HTML>


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Jan 18 08:36:55 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:36:55 EST
Subject: [Fot] ARE Rocker Arm Spacers - AN OFFER to FOT
Message-ID: <2cacf.61f95451.3885da17@cs.com>

FOT:

While we are on this subject, please contact me for special pricing to FOT 
on the Nylatron Spacers.  I also have TR3/4 in Delrin. (If you wish to 
replace your springs or existing spacers)

Available for TR3/4  GT6  TR6  Vittesse  MGB

Pending for Spitfire, but GT6/TR6 kit can be made to work.  (actually a 
GT6/TR6 kit will make two Spitfire kits)

Joe Alexander</HTML>


From brad.kahler at 141.com  Mon Jan 18 11:58:58 2010
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:58:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & TR6 rocker pedestals
Message-ID: <f99bbf591001181058m2913c51ck32ae0d18d5b7da54@mail.gmail.com>

Amici,

Over the years probably one of the biggest problems we've had with
engines we build for Susan's Spitfire is the outer rocker pedestals
breaking due to the forces involved with the high lift cams.

Currently I'm not aware of any sources for aftermarket pedals for use
with stock rocker arms.  So the question is other than roller rockers
are there any aftermarket pedestals available for the Spitfire & TR6
engines?

Thanks!

Brad


From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 12:15:27 2010
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:15:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & TR6 rocker pedestals
In-Reply-To: <f99bbf591001181058m2913c51ck32ae0d18d5b7da54@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99bbf591001181058m2913c51ck32ae0d18d5b7da54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <561876.19925.qm@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I have had the same problem. Of all the ones I have used over the years, Goodparts have held up the best. 
Mike




________________________________
From: Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 12:58:58 PM
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & TR6 rocker pedestals

Amici,

Over the years probably one of the biggest problems we've had with
engines we build for Susan's Spitfire is the outer rocker pedestals
breaking due to the forces involved with the high lift cams.

Currently I'm not aware of any sources for aftermarket pedals for use
with stock rocker arms.  So the question is other than roller rockers
are there any aftermarket pedestals available for the Spitfire & TR6
engines?

Thanks!

Brad
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Jan 18 17:34:26 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:34:26 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
References: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
Message-ID: <A5E0BDF4291B4DE1A4E7040CC211DC4C@rocky>

In common  usage, the terms are virtually synonymous and interchangeable.

More technically, a Grand Prix car is a car driven in a Grand Prix. Usually, 
but not always, that is a Formula 1 car, which defines a car built to that 
specific formula. During at least one season in the '50s, the Grand Prix 
cars driven in competition for the World Championship were Formula 2 cars. 
And one might note that from 1950 to 1960 the "Indianapolis Formula" was 
also included in the points standings for the World Championship (but only 
the Indy 500 race).

So -- A Grand Prix car is any car driven in a Grand Prix.
-- A Formula 1 car is any car built to that specification.
Usually the cars driven in an FIA World Championship Grand Prix (as opposed 
to other races given the name "grand prix") are Formula 1. But not 
necessarily always. Both terms reach back to the earliest days of racing. 
And while F1 cars were raced in grands prix (and other races) of the '40s, 
'30s and earlier, other early GP races used sports cars. F1 and GP were more 
formally married when the FIA World Championship was begun in 1950.

Hell, my Spitfire is a Grand Prix Car. Because I've driven it in the Green 
Country Grand Prix at Hallett.  :-)

--Rocky Entriken


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Gray" <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: "Friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:42 PM
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1


> Question;
>
> At what point did we start
> using F1 to describe the cars
> in lieu of Grand Prix.
>
> Pre - wing cars would include
> the Lotus 49 but exclude the
> 49B.
>
> Or would it be pre-carbon
> fiber & driver aid cars.
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From gsfuqua1 at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 01:46:13 2010
From: gsfuqua1 at aol.com (gsfuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:46:13 EST
Subject: [Fot] Wing or Side Fender Vents
Message-ID: <45bd6.6f546e39.3886cb55@aol.com>

I am looking for a set of the chrome grill vents that many of the Rally TR  
4's used.  As I recall they were slightly squarish in size and had a large  
checker board grill affect.  The idea being to let some of the engine bay  
heat be carried out through the side wings or fenders.  The fit flush with  
the side of the fender or wing and extend inward into the engine bay.
 
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
Cheers, Gary


From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Tue Jan 19 05:03:18 2010
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Russ Moore)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:03:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] transport east to west coast
Message-ID: <001f01ca98ff$63a153c0$2ae3fb40$@rr.com>

I am looking for a reasonable cost option to transport  a Spitfire from
central upstate NY  (Ithaca area)to California. The car runs and drives and
would be better with enclosed transport if possible. Any leads would be
appreciated. 

 

Russ Moore


From deanesr at uncw.edu  Tue Jan 19 06:28:20 2010
From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:28:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Wing or Side Fender Vents
In-Reply-To: <45bd6.6f546e39.3886cb55@aol.com>
References: <45bd6.6f546e39.3886cb55@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E094517AD326D22@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu>

The side vents can be bought from www.revingtotr.com and the part numbers
areRTR7019 for the wing ducts and RTR7060 for the grille first numbers price
is 173.25 and the second is 58.91 that is in there money, to us it is about
300.00 plus. Contact there is Bill White.


Hope that helps,
Rob Deanes
TR-4 Racer


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of gsfuqua1 at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 3:46 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net;
tony at tonydrews.com; N197TR4 at cs.com
Subject: [Fot] Wing or Side Fender Vents

I am looking for a set of the chrome grill vents that many of the Rally TR
4's used.  As I recall they were slightly squarish in size and had a large
checker board grill affect.  The idea being to let some of the engine bay
heat be carried out through the side wings or fenders.  The fit flush with
the side of the fender or wing and extend inward into the engine bay.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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From rkrantz77 at comcast.net  Tue Jan 19 08:01:14 2010
From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:01:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & TR6 rocker pedestals
In-Reply-To: <f99bbf591001181058m2913c51ck32ae0d18d5b7da54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1902518761.13678951263913274512.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

The pedestals for roller rockers will work with stock rocker arm - just need
more spacers to locate the arm over the valve tips.B  I do make billet
aluminumB pedestals.B  I custom make them to compensate for milled heads (high
compression) to get proper alignment.B  I also make a thick walled hardened
rocker shaft.B  If there is an interest I will take orders and make a run.B 

Ron Krantz

ReK Racing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Kahler" <brad.kahler at 141.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:58:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & TR6 rocker pedestals

Amici,

Over the years probably one of the biggest problems we've had with
engines we build for Susan's Spitfire is the outer rocker pedestals
breaking due to the forces involved with the high lift cams.

Currently I'm not aware of any sources for aftermarket pedals for use
with stock rocker arms. B So the question is other than roller rockers
are there any aftermarket pedestals available for the Spitfire & TR6
engines?

Thanks!

Brad
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From zoboherald at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 08:33:16 2010
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:33:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Wing or Side Fender Vents
In-Reply-To: <1794323504.13478331263910602715.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8CC6733DA6FF3A3-36C0-4D5F@webmail-m063.sysops.aol.com>

 Correct, Phil. The grilles were cut down pieces from the Herald 948/1200, and
it is Neil Revington that supplies kits.

ISTR hearing somewhere that these vents ultimately proved more cosmetic than
useful?



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
Database: http://triumph-herald.us




-----Original Message-----
From: pethier at comcast.net


As I recall the works rally cars used Herald grill mesh. The whole assembly
can
be bought from one of the UK suppliers. Triumphtune?  Rimmer?  Revington?
Sorry
but it's still a little early for me.


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jan 19 08:58:52 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:58:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Wing or Side Fender Vents
In-Reply-To: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E094517AD326D22@uncwexmb1.dcs.u
	ncw.edu>
References: <45bd6.6f546e39.3886cb55@aol.com>
	<1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E094517AD326D22@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu>
Message-ID: <20100119155923.25BD618764B@autox.team.net>

I think the link is really www.revingtontr.com .  To make them 
yourself if quite a challenge.  The grille is a Triumph Herald grill 
that's cut down, as I recall.

- Tony

At 07:28 AM 1/19/2010, Deanes, Robert wrote:
>The side vents can be bought from www.revingtotr.com and the part numbers
>areRTR7019 for the wing ducts and RTR7060 for the grille first numbers price
>is 173.25 and the second is 58.91 that is in there money, to us it is about
>300.00 plus. Contact there is Bill White.
>
>
>Hope that helps,
>Rob Deanes
>TR-4 Racer
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
>Of gsfuqua1 at aol.com
>Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 3:46 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net;
>tony at tonydrews.com; N197TR4 at cs.com
>Subject: [Fot] Wing or Side Fender Vents
>
>I am looking for a set of the chrome grill vents that many of the Rally TR
>4's used.  As I recall they were slightly squarish in size and had a large
>checker board grill affect.  The idea being to let some of the engine bay
>heat be carried out through the side wings or fenders.  The fit flush with
>the side of the fender or wing and extend inward into the engine bay.
>
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Cheers, Gary
>Suggested annual donation $12.96


From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 09:14:35 2010
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:14:35 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Limited slip group purchase
Message-ID: <4B55DA6B.4090803@gmail.com>

Here is the latest from Ken.  I'm guessing we are looking at US$1400 per 
unit.  If you want to get in on the group buy please contact Ken at 
British Frame & engine & provide him with a check for $700 plus the 
requested info about your car.

Teriann

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	lsd units
Date: 	Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:59:33 -0800
From: 	BFEKen at copper.net <bfeken at copper.net>
Reply-To: 	BFEKen at copper.net <bfeken at copper.net>
To: 	TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>



*Teriann, Looks like the limited slip diff adventure is working out. First*
*all orders will have to be in my possession by 2-15-10. With $700 down*
*payment. On the 15 I will send to racetorations by bank transfer, the 50%*
*I have collected & when the shipment is ready, I will notify every one*
*of the amount remaining, which they will send to me. As this is an*
*International transaction for Historic cars there will be no duty or VAT*
*or so I am told.*
*Special info. 1/ the TR6 uses the Trans-X without the center thrust button*
*                      2/Spitfire & gt-6 units are not made at this 
time. But the*
*Brits use a unit called GRABBER which looks just like the Tran-X. It 
appeared about the time the patent ran out on the Salisbury & it looks*
*just like it*
** 
*Deposits should be mailed to British Frame & engine 4831 Ryland aver*
*temple City CA 91780 USA*
*I understand from Racetorations that they also handle the Grabber. It is*
*less money.*
*When you send your deposit I will need your Name, address type of TR*
*& the year. Plus your phone number.*
** 
*Ken*


From bswope959 at msn.com  Tue Jan 19 10:08:06 2010
From: bswope959 at msn.com (Bill Swope)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:08:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Membership/e-mail
Message-ID: <SNT122-DS16958627769DEFD40FE916EC650@phx.gbl>

I would like to suspend myself from receiving FOT e-mail for an undefined
time, probably 90 days due to some surgery.  Can you help me?

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(505) 345-6235; fax (505) 345-1180


From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Tue Jan 19 10:18:40 2010
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:18:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Membership/e-mail
In-Reply-To: <SNT122-DS16958627769DEFD40FE916EC650@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT122-DS16958627769DEFD40FE916EC650@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004601ca992b$724c58d0$56e50a70$@net>

Good LUCK on your surgery Bill

Craig


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Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:08 PM
To: fot
Subject: [Fot] Membership/e-mail

I would like to suspend myself from receiving FOT e-mail for an undefined
time, probably 90 days due to some surgery.  Can you help me?

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jan 19 10:32:54 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:32:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Uprated Oil Pump, TR-3/4
Message-ID: <20100119173425.9116918765C@autox.team.net>

I was talking with a group of my Triumph racing buddies, and we were 
discussing a new oil pump design for the TRactor motor (TR-3 / TR-4) 
that came out of the Chicago area Triumph club.  I realized that I 
may not have properly promoted this product.  Steve Yott (aka 
"Drippy") has developed an oil pump design based on the stock pump, 
but with some important modifications.  The rotor and shaft are NOT 
two separate parts, but are one piece - eliminating one of the 
failure modes of these pumps.  Also, the end cap has been machined to 
accept a new shaft sticking out of the bottom of the rotor - so the 
rotor is supported on BOTH ends, rather than the stock single end 
support.  The end plate is pinned to the main housing so that the 
location of this bore is consistent upon disassembly and 
reassembly.  The rotor has oil passages in key places ensuring that 
all of the moving parts ride in an oil bath so there is no metal on 
metal contact.

Steve Yott is at tr4 at wi.rr.com .  I believe the price for this was 
$225 with a core exchange.

There are two primary failure modes of the stock oil pump.  One mode 
is the tangs breaking off of either the oil pump shaft or the 
distributor drive, and the other mode is the rotor spinning on the 
shaft.  They believe that the tang breakage is caused by "wobble" in 
the rotor due to it only being supported at one end.  This causes 
binding and additional force on the tangs.  The new pump eliminates 
this wobble with the shaft sticking out the bottom of the rotor.  The 
second mode - the rotor spinning on the shaft - is eliminated by the 
rotor and shaft being made out of a single piece of steel.

This is one of those parts that "just seems right".  I ran one in my 
motor all last season and had excellent oil pressure the whole year.

For some reason the newsletter detailing this part doesn't seem to 
come up from the links on their website, so I've taken the liberty of 
scanning an old beat up copy of that article to my website here: 
http://www.tonydrews.com/OilPump0001.pdf .

- Tony Drews


From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jan 19 10:36:46 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:36:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Membership/e-mail
In-Reply-To: <SNT122-DS16958627769DEFD40FE916EC650@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT122-DS16958627769DEFD40FE916EC650@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B55EDAE.70008@bradakis.com>

Bill Swope wrote:
> I would like to suspend myself from receiving FOT e-mail for an undefined
> time, probably 90 days due to some surgery.  Can you help me?
>
>   

1.  Click on the link at the bottom of this message, the 
mailman/listinfo one.

2.  In the FOT subscriber section, enter your email address and list 
password.

3.  Realize that you should have kept a copy of the monthly reminder with
     your list password.

4.  Delete your address from the first box and enter it into the box labeled
    'Unsubscribe or Edit options" and click on the button.

5.  Click on the password reminder button.

6.  When the reminder message arrives, click on the link, pasting in
     your newly arrived password.

7.  Go down to the 'Mail Delivery' section of the subscription options.

8.  Click on the 'disabled' button.

9.  Go down to the bottom of the page and click on 'Submit my changes'

10.  Getting mail flowing again is the same procedure, except obviously
       you would click on the 'enable' button.


On a side note, this is a handy procedure if you use more than one email 
address.
You can subscribe, say, both your home address and your work address, 
and set
only one of them to enable.  Having the other address subscribed will 
keep messages
you send from that address from getting bounced as non-member spam, but yoo
won't get multiple copies of each list message.


mjb.


From jsnook at wcnet.org  Tue Jan 19 10:47:15 2010
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:47:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Dennis DeLap's TR4
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7180.1263920901.4175.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.7180.1263920901.4175.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <006301ca992f$7029f130$507dd390$@org>

Nice photo of Dennis DeLap's TR4 at speed during the VSCDA Continental Grand
Prix as reported in the January issue of Victory Lane magazine.  

Dennis, I could not see in the photo, but are you wearing a Hans Device
yet?!

Vroom, vroom,

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Jan 19 10:52:53 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:52:53 EST
Subject: [Fot] Fot] Uprated Oil Pump, TR-3/4
Message-ID: <9cf5.d27d9f8.38874b75@cs.com>

FOT

I looked at it and would have disassembled for closer look if I had been 
more ambitious.

This truly seems like a RACING PUMP. The engineering is there, the 
manufacturing process is there, the price is there.

It would be a mistake for the FOT not to know about this pump so they can 
determine the benefit for themselves. 

We know there is no infant failure with Tony running it for one 
season.....at the front of the pack.  We know that aftermarket parts are junk.  Easy 
choices if you need a new pump and/or doing serious racing.

My .02

Joe A




> I was talking with a group of my Triumph racing buddies, and we were 
> discussing a new oil pump design for the TRactor motor (TR-3 / TR-4) 
> that came out of the Chicago area Triumph club.  I realized that I 
> may not have properly promoted this product.  Steve Yott (aka 
> "Drippy") has developed an oil pump design based on the stock pump, 
> but with some important modifications.  The rotor and shaft are NOT 
> two separate parts, but are one piece - eliminating one of the 
> failure modes of these pumps.  Also, the end cap has been machined to 
> accept a new shaft sticking out of the bottom of the rotor - so the 
> rotor is supported on BOTH ends, rather than the stock single end 
> support.  The end plate is pinned to the main housing so that the 
> location of this bore is consistent upon disassembly and 
> reassembly.  The rotor has oil passages in key places ensuring that 
> all of the moving parts ride in an oil bath so there is no metal on 
> metal contact.
> 
> Steve Yott is at tr4 at wi.rr.com .  I believe the price for this was 
> $225 with a core exchange.
> 
> There are two primary failure modes of the stock oil pump.  One mode 
> is the tangs breaking off of either the oil pump shaft or the 
> distributor drive, and the other mode is the rotor spinning on the 
> shaft.  They believe that the tang breakage is caused by "wobble" in 
> the rotor due to it only being supported at one end.  This causes 
> binding and additional force on the tangs.  The new pump eliminates 
> this wobble with the shaft sticking out the bottom of the rotor.  The 
> second mode - the rotor spinning on the shaft - is eliminated by the 
> rotor and shaft being made out of a single piece of steel.
> 
> This is one of those parts that "just seems right".  I ran one in my 
> motor all last season and had excellent oil pressure the whole year.
> 
> For some reason the newsletter detailing this part doesn't seem to 
> come up from the links on their website, so I've taken the liberty of 
> scanning an old beat up copy of that article to my website here: 
> http://www.tonydrews.com/OilPump0001.pdf .
> 
> - Tony Drews
> _______________________________________________
> 

</HTML>


From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 19 11:06:49 2010
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:06:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Uprated Oil Pump, TR-3/4
In-Reply-To: <20100119173425.9116918765C@autox.team.net>
References: <20100119173425.9116918765C@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <238201.28495.qm@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Holy smokes, I have seen both failure modes and totally agree with the analysis. I invested in one of Greg Solow's heavily modified units several years back, but this goes several major steps beyond even that. Uncle Jack must be very proud of you guys!

Gary Schneider



________________________________
From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 11:32:54 AM
Subject: [Fot] Uprated Oil Pump, TR-3/4

I was talking with a group of my Triumph racing buddies, and we were discussing a new oil pump design for the TRactor motor (TR-3 / TR-4) that came out of the Chicago area Triumph club.  I realized that I may not have properly promoted this product.  Steve Yott (aka "Drippy") has developed an oil pump design based on the stock pump, but with some important modifications.  The rotor and shaft are NOT two separate parts, but are one piece - eliminating one of the failure modes of these pumps.  Also, the end cap has been machined to accept a new shaft sticking out of the bottom of the rotor - so the rotor is supported on BOTH ends, rather than the stock single end support.  The end plate is pinned to the main housing so that the location of this bore is consistent upon disassembly and reassembly.  The rotor has oil passages in key places ensuring that all of the moving parts ride in an oil bath so there is no metal on metal contact.

Steve Yott is at tr4 at wi.rr.com .  I believe the price for this was $225 with a core exchange.

There are two primary failure modes of the stock oil pump.  One mode is the tangs breaking off of either the oil pump shaft or the distributor drive, and the other mode is the rotor spinning on the shaft.  They believe that the tang breakage is caused by "wobble" in the rotor due to it only being supported at one end.  This causes binding and additional force on the tangs.  The new pump eliminates this wobble with the shaft sticking out the bottom of the rotor.  The second mode - the rotor spinning on the shaft - is eliminated by the rotor and shaft being made out of a single piece of steel.

This is one of those parts that "just seems right".  I ran one in my motor all last season and had excellent oil pressure the whole year.

For some reason the newsletter detailing this part doesn't seem to come up from the links on their website, so I've taken the liberty of scanning an old beat up copy of that article to my website here: http://www.tonydrews.com/OilPump0001.pdf .

- Tony Drews
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 19 11:34:38 2010
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:34:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Dennis DeLap's TR4
In-Reply-To: <006301ca992f$7029f130$507dd390$@org>
References: <mailman.7180.1263920901.4175.fot@autox.team.net>
	<006301ca992f$7029f130$507dd390$@org>
Message-ID: <827532.45572.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

That is an odd article - the picture of my car was actually taken at
Mid-Ohio in the fall of 2007.
I think that VictoryLane used all old photos for
that VSCDA report.

Jeff - I now use a Hans device.

D



Nice photo of Dennis
DeLap's TR4 at speed during the VSCDA Continental Grand
Prix as reported in
the January issue of Victory Lane magazine.  

Dennis, I could not see in the
photo, but are you wearing a Hans Device
yet?!

Vroom, vroom,

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http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
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From gsfuqua1 at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 12:12:57 2010
From: gsfuqua1 at aol.com (gsfuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:12:57 EST
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Wing or Side Fender Vents
Message-ID: <cb03.42b3eda7.38875e39@aol.com>

Thank you for the information.  I had them on a rally TR 4 quite a few  
years ago.  As for functional Vs cosmetic I suppose it would depend on how  
they are installed.  If you just cut a hole and stick them in then it is  
probably more cosmetic.  However is you build a small scoop that funnels  air out 
I believe it will lower the engine bay temp.  Guess we'll just have  to see 
how it all comes together.
 
Cheers, Gary
 
 
In a message dated 1/19/2010 9:37:10 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
zoboherald at aol.com writes:

Correct,  Phil. The grilles were cut down pieces from the Herald 948/1200, 
and
it is  Neil Revington that supplies kits.

ISTR hearing somewhere that these  vents ultimately proved more cosmetic 
than
useful?



--Andy  Mace

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As I recall the works  rally cars used Herald grill mesh. The whole assembly
can
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 12:44:02 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:44:02 -0800
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Wing or Side Fender Vents
In-Reply-To: <cb03.42b3eda7.38875e39@aol.com>
References: <cb03.42b3eda7.38875e39@aol.com>
Message-ID: <65f1eaba1001191144p12ebc82dqa88c3efa40c38bf8@mail.gmail.com>

My car had the vents installed sometime in 1964/65 and a couple of years ago
we ran both an unvented TR4 race car plus the Sebring car with the vents
installed. Under hood temperatures are only very marginally lower in the
vented car (it helps much more in a car with little space under the hood
like the Big Healey) but they look cool.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:12 AM, <gsfuqua1 at aol.com> wrote:

> Thank you for the information.  I had them on a rally TR 4 quite a few
> years ago.  As for functional Vs cosmetic I suppose it would depend on how
> they are installed.  If you just cut a hole and stick them in then it is
> probably more cosmetic.  However is you build a small scoop that funnels
>  air out
> I believe it will lower the engine bay temp.  Guess we'll just have  to see
> how it all comes together.
>
> Cheers, Gary
>
>
> In a message dated 1/19/2010 9:37:10 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> zoboherald at aol.com writes:
>
> Correct,  Phil. The grilles were cut down pieces from the Herald 948/1200,
> and
> it is  Neil Revington that supplies kits.
>
> ISTR hearing somewhere that these  vents ultimately proved more cosmetic
> than
> useful?
>
>
>
> --Andy  Mace
>
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not  so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
> Herald engine with  wings.
> -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)
>
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> Register: http://www.vtr.org
>
> Check out the North American  Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph
> Herald
> Database:  http://triumph-herald.us
>
>
>
>
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>
> As I recall the works  rally cars used Herald grill mesh. The whole
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Jan 19 17:23:11 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:23:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Main Bearing Clearance
Message-ID: <000001ca9966$c144dcb0$43ce9610$@com>

At the VSCDA Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival in September the oil pressure
dropped from the normal of 50 to 25.  I went straight into the paddock and
when we dropped the pan we found that the center main bearing was pretty
well gone, no copper left and pits in the third layer.  A lot of large (1/4
inch square, about) pieces of copper debris in the pan.  These were the King
County Tri-metal bearings.  Now that I have the crank out I see that the
rear main is just about as new and the front main is just starting to show
some copper.  The crank has been cracked checked with a "sonic flow" process
and no cracks were found.  It also checks out straight according to the
machine shop.  We run a usual 5500 redline with occasion up to 6000.  It is
a stock crank that has been balanced.  The rods are stock (look to have been
balanced) and we have the K. Gilanders 87mm sleeves and forged Wiseco
pistons.  The C.R. is about 11:1 and a Kastner G3 cam that has been reground
at one time but degrees out to the G3 spec.  Cylinder head is just about
stock except for cleaning out the rust and slag from the ports when we had
it milled and new guides and stock valves put in.  This was only the 5th or
6th weekend on the bearings and reground crank, 0.010 under.  The rod
bearings are not showing very much wear at all.  We have the finned aluminum
oil pan which holds 8-1/2 quarts from empty.  We use Valvoline 20W-50 VR1
racing oil.  The water temps and oil temps are always pretty good, if
anything a little cool.  We have a well ducted aluminum radiator and oil
cooler.

 

I've contacted BPNW, where I got the bearings, and will send them to them
and they will forward them to King.  They have generously replaced the
bearing set without my asking!  A great place.

 

Question - any ideas why a catastrophic failure of just the center main
bearing?

 

2nd Question - Have to grind the crank to 0.020 under on the main journals
now, what clearance is appropriate?

 

3rd Question - What has been the experience with those who have had the
bearings coated?  I've heard some good reports and no bad reports so far.
Any recommended sources?

 

In going back and checking the numbers from the last crank grind I now think
I only had 0.001 to 0.002 clearance, maybe 0.002 to 0.0025 at the most.  The
bearing with the least wear, the rear, had about the same clearance as the
center, from my notes on the measurements.  The front bearing, which is just
starting to show some wear, probably had the most clearance.

 

Last Question, just curious - does anyone know what the "draft angle" is on
the block for the main bearing caps to seat in?  If I just set the bearing
caps down in the block I get about 0.001 to 0.002 clearance to the block,
until I tighten the bolts then there is essentially no measurable clearance.

 

Final note: the machine shop was suggesting I have the block line bored,
when we thought we had a cracked crank.  It would seem that there is no
damage to the block and it is in the same state it was before, very well
stress relieved after about 50 years!

 

Thanks for the help.

 

Tim Murphy

1961 TR4 #317


From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 17:43:20 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:43:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] transport east to west coast
In-Reply-To: <001f01ca98ff$63a153c0$2ae3fb40$@rr.com>
References: <001f01ca98ff$63a153c0$2ae3fb40$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <234309.2438.qm@web46102.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Russ - use DeMoise Trking  http://www.demoise.com/ I have shipped my Corviars
across country twice and my TR4 from Ohio to Vancouver Washington.  These guys
are great.  Their cost was great.  If you look at their photo gallery you will
see my TR4.  I think it cost me $1700 in September 08.  

Good luck.

Mike
________________________________
From: Russ Moore
<Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, January 19,
2010 4:03:18 AM
Subject: [Fot] transport east to west coast

I am looking for
a reasonable cost option to transport  a Spitfire from
central upstate NY 
(Ithaca area)to California. The car runs and drives and
would be better with
enclosed transport if possible. Any leads would be
appreciated. 



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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Tue Jan 19 18:58:45 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 01:58:45 GMT
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Main Bearing Clearance
Message-ID: <20100119.205845.3602.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>

Tim, I been having my blocks align honed and then we double check all the
clearances.  Any block that I have used has needed some align honing.  I run
0.0025 inch clearance.  Were each of the bearing halves measured in multiple
places?  I usually take 9 measurements on each with a caliper with ball tips.
Measure 3 spots across near each end and 3 spots across the center.  You could
have had a bearing half that was thicker in some spots.  Also, 0.002 is way
too close for these engines, never mind 0.001.

I would also suggest an oil accumulator, since even with the big pan you could
have some oil starvation.  I would also suggest a synthetic race oil, after
you break it in with a mineral based oil.
I have not tried the coatings, but would also be interested in other's
experience.
That's my 2 cents.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Main Bearing Clearance
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:23:11 -0600


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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jan 19 21:11:51 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:11:51 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Uprated Oil Pump, TR-3/4
In-Reply-To: <20100119173425.9116918765C@autox.team.net>
References: <20100119173425.9116918765C@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20100120041219.77CC2187872@autox.team.net>

One thing I forgot to mention - one of the mods that Jack made to the 
stock style shaft is to radius the slot so that there are no sharp 
corners or "stress risers" to help reduce tang breakage.  I discussed 
this with Steve and he pointed out that his slot is also designed 
with a radius at the bottom of the slot in the oil pump shaft.  It's 
a pretty small radius so that's why I missed it, but it's there and 
should be all that's needed.

- Tony

At 11:32 AM 1/19/2010, Tony Drews wrote:
>I was talking with a group of my Triumph racing buddies, and we were 
>discussing a new oil pump design for the TRactor motor (TR-3 / TR-4) 
>that came out of the Chicago area Triumph club.  I realized that I 
>may not have properly promoted this product.  Steve Yott (aka 
>"Drippy") has developed an oil pump design based on the stock pump, 
>but with some important modifications.  The rotor and shaft are NOT 
>two separate parts, but are one piece - eliminating one of the 
>failure modes of these pumps.  Also, the end cap has been machined 
>to accept a new shaft sticking out of the bottom of the rotor - so 
>the rotor is supported on BOTH ends, rather than the stock single 
>end support.  The end plate is pinned to the main housing so that 
>the location of this bore is consistent upon disassembly and 
>reassembly.  The rotor has oil passages in key places ensuring that 
>all of the moving parts ride in an oil bath so there is no metal on 
>metal contact.
>
>Steve Yott is at tr4 at wi.rr.com .  I believe the price for this was 
>$225 with a core exchange.
>
>There are two primary failure modes of the stock oil pump.  One mode 
>is the tangs breaking off of either the oil pump shaft or the 
>distributor drive, and the other mode is the rotor spinning on the 
>shaft.  They believe that the tang breakage is caused by "wobble" in 
>the rotor due to it only being supported at one end.  This causes 
>binding and additional force on the tangs.  The new pump eliminates 
>this wobble with the shaft sticking out the bottom of the 
>rotor.  The second mode - the rotor spinning on the shaft - is 
>eliminated by the rotor and shaft being made out of a single piece of steel.
>
>This is one of those parts that "just seems right".  I ran one in my 
>motor all last season and had excellent oil pressure the whole year.
>
>For some reason the newsletter detailing this part doesn't seem to 
>come up from the links on their website, so I've taken the liberty 
>of scanning an old beat up copy of that article to my website here: 
>http://www.tonydrews.com/OilPump0001.pdf .
>
>- Tony Drews


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jan 19 21:59:57 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:59:57 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Bearing clearances
Message-ID: <20100120050017.4B33C187682@autox.team.net>

Here's the message I sent without the baggage of the attached thread 
message(s) so it will be small enough to make it out without 
moderator approval:

I run the coating from Calico Coatings www.calicocoatings.com that 
Jack recommended ages ago.  I use this on the mains and the rod 
bearings.  I buy the King tri-metal bearings that BPNW sells and send 
them off to be coated prior to assembly.  The local speed shop uses 
it on a lot of the V-8's they build.  The last couple of rebuilds the 
bearings looked great - don't have it apart from last year 
yet.  Before the coating I would always have a certain amount of bearing wear.

I run the Valvoline VR1 synthetic after breakin (20w50).

- Tony


From billb at bnj.com  Tue Jan 19 22:11:08 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:11:08 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Uprated Oil Pump, TR-3/4
In-Reply-To: <20100120041219.77CC2187872@autox.team.net>
References: <20100119173425.9116918765C@autox.team.net>
	<20100120041219.77CC2187872@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <18486474-F842-44BE-BEE9-7D526FEB5EE3@bnj.com>

Nice. Obviously a better design. I've broken enough of these. I'm getting at
least one.


On Jan 19, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Tony Drews wrote:

> One thing I forgot to mention - one of the mods that Jack made to the stock
style shaft is to radius the slot so that there are no sharp corners or
"stress risers" to help reduce tang breakage.  I discussed this with Steve and
he pointed out that his slot is also designed with a radius at the bottom of
the slot in the oil pump shaft.  It's a pretty small radius so that's why I
missed it, but it's there and should be all that's needed.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 11:32 AM 1/19/2010, Tony Drews wrote:
>> I was talking with a group of my Triumph racing buddies, and we were
discussing a new oil pump design for the TRactor motor (TR-3 / TR-4) that came
out of the Chicago area Triumph club.  I realized that I may not have properly
promoted this product.  Steve Yott (aka "Drippy") has developed an oil pump
design based on the stock pump, but with some important modifications.  The
rotor and shaft are NOT two separate parts, but are one piece - eliminating
one of the failure modes of these pumps.  Also, the end cap has been machined
to accept a new shaft sticking out of the bottom of the rotor - so the rotor
is supported on BOTH ends, rather than the stock single end support.  The end
plate is pinned to the main housing so that the location of this bore is
consistent upon disassembly and reassembly.  The rotor has oil passages in key
places ensuring that all of the moving parts ride in an oil bath so there is
no metal on metal contact.
>>
>> Steve Yott is at tr4 at wi.rr.com .  I believe the price for this was $225
with a core exchange.
>>
>> There are two primary failure modes of the stock oil pump.  One mode is the
tangs breaking off of either the oil pump shaft or the distributor drive, and
the other mode is the rotor spinning on the shaft.  They believe that the tang
breakage is caused by "wobble" in the rotor due to it only being supported at
one end.  This causes binding and additional force on the tangs.  The new pump
eliminates this wobble with the shaft sticking out the bottom of the rotor.
The second mode - the rotor spinning on the shaft - is eliminated by the rotor
and shaft being made out of a single piece of steel.
>>
>> This is one of those parts that "just seems right".  I ran one in my motor
all last season and had excellent oil pressure the whole year.
>>
>> For some reason the newsletter detailing this part doesn't seem to come up
from the links on their website, so I've taken the liberty of scanning an old
beat up copy of that article to my website here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/OilPump0001.pdf .
>>
>> - Tony Drews
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From herald948 at aol.com  Wed Jan 20 09:28:49 2010
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:28:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] rosebud racer by doug ross
In-Reply-To: <78c8.6ba5817.38835b6e@aol.com>
References: <78c8.6ba5817.38835b6e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC6804C7C19A89-42B4-16F0F@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com>

 Alex, with this reply I am copying the Friends of Triumph e-mail list. Sadly,
I knew Doug only through his involvement with the Vintage Triumph Register
organization, and I really only know of the car what I've seen in pictures
such as this one on the FoT Racing web site:

<http://fot-racing.com/tr3/caption/TR3Ross.htm>

Hopefully there are folks within FoT who might know more about Doug's car.



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
Database: http://triumph-herald.us






  From: alexwatch at aol.com
To: herald1200 at aol.com
Sent: 1/16/2010 1:37:00   A.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: rosebud racer by doug ross




Andy,



I would like to take a moment to introduce myself to you.  My name   is Alex
Hofberg.  I am a jeweler in Portland, Oregon and the current   owner of a
vintage TR3 that I think you are familiar with.  Though I   bought this car
from a friend of mine some 15 months ago, I only recently   started to look
deeper into the history of the car I own and while doing some   google
searching on Doug's name and a TR3 tag, I found a short memorial note   that
you posted after his passing.





Though I own a TR6 and Rosebud as well as a modern Triumph Bonneville, I
sort of own this car by accident, having no (current) intention of racing it
though I have rallied it a little. The friend I bought it from seems   to have
purchased Rosebud from one of Doug's family members as a car for his   wife to
race.   He and his wife both graduated to much faster, much more   powerful
vintage racers and have an interesting collection that found the TR3   loved
but no longer needed for racing.




The reason I am dropping you this note is that when I purchased the car   the
prior owner had lost or never gotten much of the build history that as far
as I'm concerned needs to accompany the car given a restoration as thorough
and beautiful as Doug achieved.  Other than the roll bar being slightly
modified and painted black and a bolt on rack and pinion conversion being done
the car is exactly as I got it and as far as I know otherwise unchanged
since Doug finished it.




If you can offer any advise as to who can fill in some of the blanks or I
you can yourself, I would be very grateful.  Technical detail is good but   be
aware I am an owner rather than a mechanic, trying to preserve this car
rather than improve it or use it hard.




For my part, my specialty is the repair and sales of really expensive
mechanical watches and vintage and antique watches.  I write a column for
Sports Car Market Magazine on the subject of collecting watches and hope to
able to continue to collect interesting cars as a side line.




I hope you can assist,




Thank you,




Alex Hofberg - Watchworks Inc. Portland Or.    503.970.6993


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Wed Jan 20 10:35:09 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:35:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Main Bearing Clearance
In-Reply-To: <000001ca9966$c144dcb0$43ce9610$@com>
References: <000001ca9966$c144dcb0$43ce9610$@com>
Message-ID: <4B573ECD.5040809@blacksburg.net>

On 1/19/2010 7:23 PM, Tim Murphy wrote:
> [...deletia...]
>
> 3rd Question - What has been the experience with those who have had the
> bearings coated?  I've heard some good reports and no bad reports so far.
> Any recommended sources?
>    
Tim, I sent my stock crank to Shaftech, in Fostoria OH and all bearings 
to Callies Performance, also in Fostoria.  Shaftech nitrided the crank 
(which now rings like a forged crank) and measured the journal 
diameters.  I then contacted Callies and told them what clearances I 
wanted.  They coated the shells with their magic goop and I had them 
back in less than a week.  Great service from both companies.  If you 
have Shaftech work on the crank, be sure to clean the galleries well, 
they weren't as clean as I would have liked.

You may recall that Tony had his shells treated (by Calico?) a few years 
ago and reported no wear after one season.

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jan 21 10:37:39 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:37:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] rosebud racer by doug ross
In-Reply-To: <8CC6804C7C19A89-42B4-16F0F@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com>
References: <78c8.6ba5817.38835b6e@aol.com>
	<8CC6804C7C19A89-42B4-16F0F@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <E184D3B23BCE4757A587594D8C6D6445@joepentiumnew>

I did the number graphic decals for this car.  That's all I know about it. 

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Andrew Mace
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:29 AM
To: alexwatch at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] rosebud racer by doug ross

 Alex, with this reply I am copying the Friends of Triumph e-mail list.
Sadly,
I knew Doug only through his involvement with the Vintage Triumph Register
organization, and I really only know of the car what I've seen in pictures
such as this one on the FoT Racing web site:

<http://fot-racing.com/tr3/caption/TR3Ross.htm>

Hopefully there are folks within FoT who might know more about Doug's car.



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
Database: http://triumph-herald.us






  From: alexwatch at aol.com
To: herald1200 at aol.com
Sent: 1/16/2010 1:37:00   A.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: rosebud racer by doug ross




Andy,



I would like to take a moment to introduce myself to you.  My name   is Alex
Hofberg.  I am a jeweler in Portland, Oregon and the current   owner of a
vintage TR3 that I think you are familiar with.  Though I   bought this car
from a friend of mine some 15 months ago, I only recently   started to look
deeper into the history of the car I own and while doing some   google
searching on Doug's name and a TR3 tag, I found a short memorial note   that
you posted after his passing.





Though I own a TR6 and Rosebud as well as a modern Triumph Bonneville, I
sort of own this car by accident, having no (current) intention of racing it
though I have rallied it a little. The friend I bought it from seems   to
have
purchased Rosebud from one of Doug's family members as a car for his   wife
to
race.   He and his wife both graduated to much faster, much more   powerful
vintage racers and have an interesting collection that found the TR3   loved
but no longer needed for racing.




The reason I am dropping you this note is that when I purchased the car
the
prior owner had lost or never gotten much of the build history that as far
as I'm concerned needs to accompany the car given a restoration as thorough
and beautiful as Doug achieved.  Other than the roll bar being slightly
modified and painted black and a bolt on rack and pinion conversion being
done
the car is exactly as I got it and as far as I know otherwise unchanged
since Doug finished it.




If you can offer any advise as to who can fill in some of the blanks or I
you can yourself, I would be very grateful.  Technical detail is good but
be
aware I am an owner rather than a mechanic, trying to preserve this car
rather than improve it or use it hard.




For my part, my specialty is the repair and sales of really expensive
mechanical watches and vintage and antique watches.  I write a column for
Sports Car Market Magazine on the subject of collecting watches and hope to
able to continue to collect interesting cars as a side line.




I hope you can assist,




Thank you,




Alex Hofberg - Watchworks Inc. Portland Or.    503.970.6993
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Wed Jan 20 10:39:09 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:39:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] source for TR4 rear axle U bolts?
Message-ID: <4B573FBD.8040208@blacksburg.net>

I'm looking for a source for 3/8" grade 8 U bolts (or bolt stock) for 
the TR4 solid axle.  I've checked the usual suspects locally but no one 
carries bolt stock that small.  Even utility trailer shops don't carry 
stock smaller than 1/2".  Sheesh!

tia

jim

-- 
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Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From billbab at me.com  Wed Jan 20 10:47:22 2010
From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:47:22 -1000
Subject: [Fot] rosebud racer by doug ross
In-Reply-To: <1A2EF6AC-C9F7-41C3-BD62-6677603A94B0@bnj.com>
References: <78c8.6ba5817.38835b6e@aol.com>
	<8CC6804C7C19A89-42B4-16F0F@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com>
	<1A2EF6AC-C9F7-41C3-BD62-6677603A94B0@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <5EF82001-DF93-4471-8AE2-2646415DF8D2@me.com>

Hey Alex, funny to see you here, I'm an FOT member since Peyote is a TR3-based special, as is my AMBRO and the cheater TR3 I first started vintage racing with. Hope these guys can help you out. I know the car more through the Mincheff's ownership than Doug Ross. To clarify for the members, Jacquelyn Mincheff (who I think was or is an FOT member) raced the Rosebud for awhile. She's moved on to a Lotus and a Lola T70 that she drives very well. 

I've known Alex for quite a few years, his sister was one of my company's most stellar salespeople, and I've bought a watch or two and some baubles for Diane at Alex's beautiful Watch store. Alex, we did talk about you having bought Jacqui's car but I somehow forgot it has a long history and is well known to this group. I'm in Maui, working hard at my new career as a surf bum, but when I get back to Oregon in the spring I'm going to drag you to a vintage race or two. I bet the bug bites. 

Bill Babcock
On Jan 20, 2010, at 6:28 AM, Andrew Mace wrote:


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jan 20 11:07:42 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:07:42 +0100
Subject: [Fot] source for TR4 rear axle U bolts?
In-Reply-To: <4B573FBD.8040208@blacksburg.net>
References: <4B573FBD.8040208@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <000b01ca99fb$7b1a90a0$714fb1e0$@com>

I use 7/16 u-bolts of Ford Escord.
They are much stronger and longer.

Cheers
Chris

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Auftrag von J.C. Hassall
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Januar 2010 18:39
An: fot
Betreff: [Fot] source for TR4 rear axle U bolts?

I'm looking for a source for 3/8" grade 8 U bolts (or bolt stock) for
the TR4 solid axle.  I've checked the usual suspects locally but no one
carries bolt stock that small.  Even utility trailer shops don't carry
stock smaller than 1/2".  Sheesh!

tia

jim

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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Jan 20 12:43:27 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:43:27 EST
Subject: [Fot] source for TR4 rear axle U bolts?
Message-ID: <8b9e.5b2f768c.3888b6df@cs.com>

In a message dated 1/20/2010 12:01:31 PM Central Standard Time, 
jhassall at blacksburg.net writes:


> I'm looking for a source for 3/8" grade 8 U bolts (or bolt stock) for 
> the TR4 solid axle.  I've checked the usual suspects locally but no one 
> carries bolt stock that small.  Even utility trailer shops don't carry 
> stock smaller than 1/2".  Sheesh!
> 
> tia
> 
> jim
> 

I am not sure grade 8 is required.  Do you need them longer for lowering 
blocks?  You can go to 1/2" and have them custome made or they may have them 
on the shelf.  You drill the mounting plates O.S., of course.  It's a little 
tight, but I have done to two or three TRs when I was unable to find the 
3/8th".</HTML>


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Jan 20 12:38:51 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:38:51 EST
Subject: [Fot] rosebud racer by doug ross
Message-ID: <895f.6e0ce302.3888b5cb@cs.com>

Rose Bud is a very special TR3. Doug Ross was a very special person, too.  
I have a picture of Doug & and Rose Bud in my office. It is a panoramic view 
of the FOT at Mid-Ohio.

He joined us at mid-Ohio, not to race, but to be with the Triumph Folks. I 
invited him to stage Rose Bud with us for the panoramic picture.

He was exceptionally grateful. Later, I got a letter from him explaining 
why it was so important for him to be a part of the weekend and the picture. I 
spoke to him on the phone a few days before he died. He remained upbeat to 
the end, I believe.

Joe A


> Alex, with this reply I am copying the Friends of Triumph e-mail list. 
> Sadly,
> I knew Doug only through his involvement with the Vintage Triumph Register
> organization, and I really only know of the car what I've seen in pictures
> such as this one on the FoT Racing web site:
> 
> <http://fot-racing.com/tr3/caption/TR3Ross.htm>
> 
> Hopefully there are folks within FoT who might know more about Doug's car.
> 
> 
> 
> --Andy Mace
> 

</HTML>


From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jan 20 13:13:46 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:13:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] rosebud racer by doug ross
In-Reply-To: <895f.6e0ce302.3888b5cb@cs.com>
Message-ID: <20100120151346.839ZB.69985.imail@fed1rmwml44>

I think I have some good photos of Doug and the TR-3 from that 2002 Mid-Ohio run , I was the guest of honor there and did a lap in his car with him.
--
Never be beaten by equipment


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Jan 20 14:16:09 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:16:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] MOLDEX CRANK FOR TR4
In-Reply-To: <4B573ECD.5040809@blacksburg.net>
References: <000001ca9966$c144dcb0$43ce9610$@com>
	<4B573ECD.5040809@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0802AAB918@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Does anyone need a brand new Moldex crank, TR4 version ground for scroll kit?
They have one ready to go.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141


From jaboruch at netzero.net  Wed Jan 20 15:34:21 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:34:21 GMT
Subject: [Fot] source for TR4 rear axle U bolts?
Message-ID: <20100120.173421.834.3@webmail20.dca.untd.com>

Try a local spring shop.  When I needed u-bolts some years ago the spring shop
bent them for me to match the axle tube diameter.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] source for TR4 rear axle U bolts?
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:39:09 -0500

I'm looking for a source for 3/8" grade 8 U bolts (or bolt stock) for
the TR4 solid axle.  I've checked the usual suspects locally but no one
carries bolt stock that small.  Even utility trailer shops don't carry
stock smaller than 1/2".  Sheesh!

tia

jim

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Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go
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From grmtim at aol.com  Thu Jan 21 07:38:54 2010
From: grmtim at aol.com (grmtim at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:38:54 EST
Subject: [Fot] Stupid road trip
Message-ID: <4854.71446163.3889c0fe@aol.com>

As I mentioned in a previous post, I have been looking for a big stupid 
station wagon to cart magazines around with and even tow my Trimuph to local 
events.

Unfortunately, I have found said wagon, a 1959 Edsel Villager and it is in 
Santa Ana, CA. One of the guys that works for me is in LA right now and 
instead of flying back, he is driving it to Scottsdale today and picking me up. 
I have been at the auctions, hustling magazines. From there we are driving 
the Edsel to Florida.

Tomorrow we head east following I-10. I think we will look for some back 
roads that run nearby. So, do any of you live along I-10 between Phoenix, AZ 
and Jville, FL? Are any of you crazy enough to help us, or even let us into 
your home's should we call you with a problem? Hey, what could possibly go 
wrong with a 50 year old car that we have never drivin before? And perhaps 
most importantly, what cool junkyards are between here and home that might have 
that 1500 Spitfire hood that I have been looking for or the trim pieces I 
still need for Margie's 63 Corvair, or even some Edsels?

Thanks and wish me luck!

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu Jan 21 13:38:30 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:38:30 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Stupid road trip
References: <4854.71446163.3889c0fe@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C8D9D5F8AEDF4BA8932EF356133AEA07@rocky>

Now let me get this right -- you're buying a 50-year-old car that was a flop 
in the first place and then you want to take it on back roads???

Man! Stick to I-10 so at least some trooper might happen along when you need 
that tow out in the West Texas desert or that barren bayou in Mississippi.

Let us know how the trip went. If you get back alive. ;-)

--Rocket J. Squirrel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <grmtim at aol.com>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:38 AM
Subject: [Fot] Stupid road trip


> As I mentioned in a previous post, I have been looking for a big stupid
> station wagon to cart magazines around with and even tow my Trimuph to 
> local
> events.
>
> Unfortunately, I have found said wagon, a 1959 Edsel Villager and it is in
> Santa Ana, CA. One of the guys that works for me is in LA right now and
> instead of flying back, he is driving it to Scottsdale today and picking 
> me up.
> I have been at the auctions, hustling magazines. From there we are driving
> the Edsel to Florida.
>
> Tomorrow we head east following I-10. I think we will look for some back
> roads that run nearby. So, do any of you live along I-10 between Phoenix, 
> AZ
> and Jville, FL? Are any of you crazy enough to help us, or even let us 
> into
> your home's should we call you with a problem? Hey, what could possibly go
> wrong with a 50 year old car that we have never drivin before? And perhaps
> most importantly, what cool junkyards are between here and home that might 
> have
> that 1500 Spitfire hood that I have been looking for or the trim pieces I
> still need for Margie's 63 Corvair, or even some Edsels?
>
> Thanks and wish me luck!
>
> Tim Suddard
> Publisher; Classic Motorsports
> and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
> www.classicmotorsports.net
> www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
> Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Jan 21 14:05:04 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:05:04 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Bearing clearances
In-Reply-To: <20100120050017.4B33C187682@autox.team.net>
References: <20100120050017.4B33C187682@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000001ca9add$6ee85410$4cb8fc30$@com>

I run large main bearing clearance and had trouble with large rod bearing
clearance.

So for this season I will continue running large main bearing clearance
(because of crank bending) and tight rod clearance because of the piston
guided rods.

Cheers
Chris


From pcdelux at att.net  Thu Jan 21 15:19:49 2010
From: pcdelux at att.net (Bill DeWar)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:19:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Stupid road trip
References: <4854.71446163.3889c0fe@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001a01ca9ae7$da2178b0$63514c0c@userbhfzubua17>

Hey Tim,

 If it breaks just make Gary push.
 Oh and what's a Trimuph?

Bill D
NJTA

----- Original Message -----
From: <grmtim at aol.com>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:38 AM
Subject: [Fot] Stupid road trip


> As I mentioned in a previous post, I have been looking for a big stupid
> station wagon to cart magazines around with and even tow my Trimuph to
local
> events.
>
> Unfortunately, I have found said wagon, a 1959 Edsel Villager and it is in
> Santa Ana, CA. One of the guys that works for me is in LA right now and
> instead of flying back, he is driving it to Scottsdale today and picking
me up.
> I have been at the auctions, hustling magazines. From there we are driving
> the Edsel to Florida.
>
> Tomorrow we head east following I-10. I think we will look for some back
> roads that run nearby. So, do any of you live along I-10 between Phoenix,
AZ
> and Jville, FL? Are any of you crazy enough to help us, or even let us
into
> your home's should we call you with a problem? Hey, what could possibly go
> wrong with a 50 year old car that we have never drivin before? And perhaps
> most importantly, what cool junkyards are between here and home that might
have
> that 1500 Spitfire hood that I have been looking for or the trim pieces I
> still need for Margie's 63 Corvair, or even some Edsels?
>
> Thanks and wish me luck!
>
> Tim Suddard
> Publisher; Classic Motorsports
> and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
> www.classicmotorsports.net
> www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
> Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723
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From gp89 at charter.net  Thu Jan 21 17:40:16 2010
From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:40:16 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Stupid road trip
Message-ID: <20100121194016.CDLQB.2652753.root@mp11>

---- grmtim at aol.com wrote: 
                                                           Hey, what could possibly go 
> wrong with a 50 year old car that we have never drivin before?
 Tim,you have the coolest job.  
 My father was a factory service rep for Edsel before moving to Minneapolis. He has all sorts of stories about the unfortunate Edsel. The problems were usually  pranks from disgruntled employees. Their favorite was to tack a wire with a wrench tied to the end inside a rear fender. Made lots of noise and was hard to find.
Jeff Senty


From gp89 at charter.net  Thu Jan 21 17:40:43 2010
From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:40:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Stupid road trip
Message-ID: <20100121194043.1LUYQ.2652778.root@mp11>

---- grmtim at aol.com wrote: 
                                                           Hey, what could possibly go 
> wrong with a 50 year old car that we have never drivin before?
 Tim,you have the coolest job.  
 My father was a factory service rep for Edsel before moving to Minneapolis. He has all sorts of stories about the unfortunate Edsel. The problems were usually  pranks from disgruntled employees. Their favorite was to tack a wire with a wrench tied to the end inside a rear fender. Made lots of noise and was hard to find.
Jeff Senty   


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Thu Jan 21 22:07:03 2010
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:07:03 -0600
Subject: [Fot] source for TR4 rear axle U bolts?
In-Reply-To: <4B573FBD.8040208@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <000001ca9b20$bcfd5c20$6501a8c0@blake1>

Jim,

I'll be have some made at spring shop for my TR in the next couple of
days.  It takes about ten minutes to make them.  I'm making mine 2"
longer than stock so I can fine tune ride height with blocks.  You want
me to have them make you a set?  What length?
I am using the stock diameter of 3/8".

Anyone else need some?  Different diameter?

Greg  

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of J.C. Hassall
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:39 AM
To: fot
Subject: [Fot] source for TR4 rear axle U bolts?

I'm looking for a source for 3/8" grade 8 U bolts (or bolt stock) for 
the TR4 solid axle.  I've checked the usual suspects locally but no one 
carries bolt stock that small.  Even utility trailer shops don't carry 
stock smaller than 1/2".  Sheesh!

tia

jim

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Blacksburg VA
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99% finished, 90% to go
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From lfritz82 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 22 21:08:55 2010
From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:08:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Sonett caliper piston
Message-ID: <BAY125-W2792C5BF5F9C6A87951F8BDA610@phx.gbl>

Does anyone know a supplier of caliper pistons. I need one for a Saab Sonett
and I'm having trouble locating one. I guess I can have one made on a lathe,
but I would rather buy one if possible.  Thanks in advance    Lorne Fritz
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sat Jan 23 00:04:02 2010
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:04:02 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Sonett caliper piston
References: <BAY125-W2792C5BF5F9C6A87951F8BDA610@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <043D412CB3D34270B63B6C1250772538@desktop>

If I remember correctly the Austin America uses the same pistons as the 
Sonnet.
Check out eBay Item number: 230424211618
      Charly Mitchel
      TR6 #44

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From: "Lorne Fritz" <lfritz82 at hotmail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:08 PM
Subject: [Fot] Sonett caliper piston


> Does anyone know a supplier of caliper pistons. I need one for a Saab 
> Sonett
> and I'm having trouble locating one. I guess I can have one made on a 
> lathe,
> but I would rather buy one if possible.  Thanks in advance    Lorne Fritz
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Jan 23 18:54:17 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:54:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MG vs. Triumph
Message-ID: <41F961F483E44F2ABD825675DAFF1726@joepentiumnew>

I saw this in Sept 09 Automobiles Magazine and thought I'd share:

"You can be forgiven if the names don't mean anything to you.  One is a pair
of initials currently being slapped on Chinese-built Rover sedans; the other
is a word usually used to reference old, oil-leaking motorcycles.  Neither
has appeared on a new car in this country in more than twenty-five years,
but once, both were household names.

In the decades following WWII, British Marques MG and Triumph essentially
created the stateside market for the low-cost, high-fun roadster.  By
packaging pedestrian sedan components into rakish, droptop bodies, they
introduced thousands of people to the joys of cornering and all but invented
the wind-in-hair grin.  And while the two companies battled each other in
grand style at places like LeMans and the N|rburgring, the real contest took
place in showrooms.

It came down to a difference in personality: Triumph were raucous, snarly
little things, all torque and attitude, while MGs were more refined, often
slower, but usually better built.  The dichotomy regularly carried over into
ownership: According to lore, MG people wore string-back driving gloves and
saw Triumph jocks as hairy-eared brutes; Triumph people ate raw meat and
thought driving gloves were for dandy fops who drank light beer through a
straw.  Charmingly, each side was to be secretly in love with each other.

MG and Triumph faded out of the U.S. market in the early 80's, victims of
corporate avarice and terminal mismanagement.  Triumph later went belly-up;
MG, although still technically alive, has spent the past two decades on
badge-engineered life support.  All told, it was an ignominious end to one
of the automotive industries more likable duels."

Sam Smith

Cheers,
Joe Curry


From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat Jan 23 20:44:15 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:44:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MG vs. Triumph
In-Reply-To: <41F961F483E44F2ABD825675DAFF1726@joepentiumnew>
References: <41F961F483E44F2ABD825675DAFF1726@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS3E24FD0BEFCF1B54A9F5FC3600@phx.gbl>

Pretty much on the mark, though I would add that while us TR and MG folks were
worried about each other, the Porsche 356 and Alfa guys said the same things
about us that we now say about the Mazda Miata.

It's all relative.

And it is sad that our taste in cars is fading away.  The roads used to be
crawling with small, four cylinder, relatively affordable sports cars from
more than a few manufacturers. Now there is only the Miata.  And while it
sells in numbers that would make the Nuffield Organization/BMC/BLMC/JRT blush,
it is only a mere automotive footnote on a bygone era.

Who will carry the torch of the sports car ethic in the next generation?

We are dinosaurs, ladies and gents.

Terry Stetler


From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 21:16:56 2010
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:16:56 -0800
Subject: [Fot] [TR] MG vs. Triumph
In-Reply-To: <41F961F483E44F2ABD825675DAFF1726@joepentiumnew>
References: <41F961F483E44F2ABD825675DAFF1726@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <4B5BC9B8.6020207@gmail.com>

Joe Curry wrote:
> It came down to a difference in personality: Triumph were raucous, snarly
> little things, all torque and attitude,


I always thought of my Triumph more as a siren vixen, all attitude and
always game.  Red angora sweater, bright red lipstick and big red
plastic sunglasses over a big mischievous grin. What better companion
for a girl's day out.

Teriann


From group44tr7 at aol.com  Sun Jan 24 06:23:04 2010
From: group44tr7 at aol.com (group44tr7 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:23:04 EST
Subject: [Fot] MG vs. Triumph
Message-ID: <371f3.3aea797b.388da3b8@aol.com>

Joe
 
    Many of the later triumph advertisements tended to  be sending the 
message of buy the Triumph and you will get the vixen.  (Maybe the MG market 
were smarter than the Triumph market and did not buy  into the idea that 
driving a sports car would improve your sex appeal.)   And less we forget, Playboy 
sponsored the Group 44 TR7 in Australia. 
 
    As for the hairy brute stuff, I will only say that  my friend who was 
arrested for driving around in a gorilla costume was driving  an MG 
convertible :). 
 
    All the best, Cary


From andre at gt6.ca  Sun Jan 24 07:36:25 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:36:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] The Last Open Road
Message-ID: <4362ae391001240636v69e97f84naf6b5b28d69fd9e8@mail.gmail.com>

Well last week I finally started reading Burt's book.

I love it. Naturally.

The library system in Ottawa only had #1 and #4 Toly's Ghost.

I was going to read Toly's Ghost right after I finished Last Open Road
(will be done this week), but was told by a friend not to read them
out of order.

I casually mentioned this to my wife... Next thing I know she ordered
all 4 of the current books from Chapters. OUTSTANDING wife!
Guess they we're on sale and why the hell not.

At least I'll have some fresh material to read on the bus ride to work
every day.

Now to steal some garage time and finish off my roll cage.

Cheers.

A.

-- 
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
'77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
Ottawa, ON, Canada


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan 24 08:17:01 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:17:01 +0100
Subject: [Fot] [TR] MG vs. Triumph
In-Reply-To: <4B5BC9B8.6020207@gmail.com>
References: <41F961F483E44F2ABD825675DAFF1726@joepentiumnew>
	<4B5BC9B8.6020207@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001101ca9d08$4ad14b90$e073e2b0$@com>

I was not that lucky with cruising for girls.
Once I took a nice girl home, she had some wine.
On the Autobahn I had to lay her over the safety bar to let her vomit.

Alcohol in combination with hot Mobil 1 5w50 oil and fuel stench was too
much for her.
I never got her in that car again.

Good that there are more than one woman on this planet.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. Januar 2010 05:17
An: FOT
Betreff: Re: [Fot] [TR] MG vs. Triumph

Joe Curry wrote:
> It came down to a difference in personality: Triumph were raucous, snarly
> little things, all torque and attitude,


I always thought of my Triumph more as a siren vixen, all attitude and
always game.  Red angora sweater, bright red lipstick and big red
plastic sunglasses over a big mischievous grin. What better companion
for a girl's day out.

Teriann


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Jan 24 12:11:51 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:11:51 -0800
Subject: [Fot] MG vs. Triumph
In-Reply-To: <371f3.3aea797b.388da3b8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <08.AF.19307.87B9C5B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

>     As for the hairy brute stuff, I will only say that  my 
> friend who was 
> arrested for driving around in a gorilla costume was driving  an MG 
> convertible :). 

Clearly, the car was the problem.  Had he been driving a Triumph, they would
have just assumed he had forgotten to shave !

Randall


From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Sun Jan 24 12:17:48 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:17:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] shocks
Message-ID: <4B5C9CDC.4070803@cfl.rr.com>

Can someone tell me if the TR6 front shocks will physically fit a TR3?

thxx,
Bob


From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jan 24 12:53:26 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:53:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] shocks
In-Reply-To: <4B5C9CDC.4070803@cfl.rr.com>
References: <4B5C9CDC.4070803@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4B5CA536.4050409@bradakis.com>

Bob wrote:
> Can someone tell me if the TR6 front shocks will physically fit a TR3?
Yes, the shocks will physically fit.  But the stoke and overall lengths are
different between the 2-4 series and 4A-6, so they won't work that well.
At least that is what I remember from years ago.

mjb.


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Sun Jan 24 14:04:54 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:04:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] MG vs. Triumph
References: <41F961F483E44F2ABD825675DAFF1726@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <1C5723F5B71F487B944E595229AAC7EB@rocky>

When I was a kid, my dad had a girlfriend who had an MG TD. She didn't stick 
around long .. probably a good thing as the woman he later married was the 
World's Greatest Mom. Triumph not even in  the game yet and MG already has a 
score of nil.

First sports car I ever drove in anger was my brother's MGA. Oh, yeah! 
Hooked. MG 1, Triumph ?.

Came home to Lawrence, Ks., and went down to the British Motors dealer. He 
had an MG Midget on the lot in my price range. On the test drive it wandered 
all over the place. Salesman said that was normal. I didn't know enough 
about cars then to understand why, just that I didn't like it. Another 
missed score.

So I visited the Triumph store. Hadn't even heard much about them, but there 
was a little baby blue (Wedgewood Blue) '64 Spitfire on the lot in my price 
range. Felt nice and tight and responsive. Also it had those sleek Italian 
lines compared to the MG's squared-off design. And the owner of the store 
had a TR-4A that he RACED! Way cool. Bought the Spitfire. That was 1966. 
Still have it. Not baby blue any more (except for a little patch on the cowl 
I purposely never painted over) and it became a race car in 1971.

MG 3-and-out. Triumph won on its first play.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:54 PM
Subject: [Fot] MG vs. Triumph


>I saw this in Sept 09 Automobiles Magazine and thought I'd share:
>
> "You can be forgiven if the names don't mean anything to you.  One is a 
> pair
> of initials currently being slapped on Chinese-built Rover sedans; the 
> other
> is a word usually used to reference old, oil-leaking motorcycles.  Neither
> has appeared on a new car in this country in more than twenty-five years,
> but once, both were household names.
>
> In the decades following WWII, British Marques MG and Triumph essentially
> created the stateside market for the low-cost, high-fun roadster.  By
> packaging pedestrian sedan components into rakish, droptop bodies, they
> introduced thousands of people to the joys of cornering and all but 
> invented
> the wind-in-hair grin.  And while the two companies battled each other in
> grand style at places like LeMans and the N|rburgring, the real contest 
> took
> place in showrooms.
>
> It came down to a difference in personality: Triumph were raucous, snarly
> little things, all torque and attitude, while MGs were more refined, often
> slower, but usually better built.  The dichotomy regularly carried over 
> into
> ownership: According to lore, MG people wore string-back driving gloves 
> and
> saw Triumph jocks as hairy-eared brutes; Triumph people ate raw meat and
> thought driving gloves were for dandy fops who drank light beer through a
> straw.  Charmingly, each side was to be secretly in love with each other.
>
> MG and Triumph faded out of the U.S. market in the early 80's, victims of
> corporate avarice and terminal mismanagement.  Triumph later went 
> belly-up;
> MG, although still technically alive, has spent the past two decades on
> badge-engineered life support.  All told, it was an ignominious end to one
> of the automotive industries more likable duels."
>
> Sam Smith
>
> Cheers,
> Joe Curry
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From roadandtrack at bigpond.com  Sun Jan 24 15:06:26 2010
From: roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:06:26 +1000
Subject: [Fot] advice wanted on TR diff mounts
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1264359602.6213.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20100124220625.KWQL1743.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@rat01>

Can anyone offer any experience (postive or negative) on the 3 different TR
IRS rear diff mounting systems?. 

The 4A has a 2-piece rear diff case, with bolt on "ears" that accept the
same 2-piece  mounts front & rear. I'm assuming this will bolt into a later
TR (anyone comment??)

>From the parts book, it seems the TR250 modified the 4A arrangement to
accept a 1 piece mount, which looks same as TR6 rear mount. Is this
correct??

The TR6 has a sturdier looking 1-piece alloy case with a single piece rear
mount. I now have this system,. But the mounts are routinely falling apart,
hence my query

Thanks., Terry O'Beirne


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Sun Jan 24 21:54:25 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:54:25 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Video
Message-ID: <2FF3DAE5A2834B46902ACBE378021215@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

I uploaded a video from a race last August to Youtube yesterday.  This is
in-car stuff with wife Patty driving the Spitfire and friend Phil Weaver in
the Alfa.  Video footage from both cars has been blended together.

Enjoy!


From rikrock at aol.com  Mon Jan 25 09:21:46 2010
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:21:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Weber Setup Advice?
Message-ID: <8CC6BF19F90D6BF-267C-2C8CD@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com>

I'm looking for some advice on fitting a pair of Weber DCOE's to a TR4
vintage-race motor.  89mm bore, M-24 cam from Gillanders, 11.5cr , Stahl
header (can't remember the primary diameter or length)

I guess they will be 45's?  So, any suggestions on where to start with choke
size, jets, air correctors, emulsion tubes, etc?  Probably going to buy a new
pair along with a new manifold and linkage.  Where should I buy them?

Thanks!

Rich Rock


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue Jan 26 10:01:25 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:01:25 EST
Subject: [Fot] TR4  Roller For Sale    NFI
Message-ID: <b35e.30fcc2f0.389079e5@cs.com>

FOT.....this is likely the best roller you will ever see. 

Uncle Jack & I took a look at this car for another friend a few years ago. 
Jack's report was highly favorable but we went in another direction.  It is 
now available for sale once again.

<A HREF="http://davetalbotttr4rollingchassis.blogspot.com/">
http://davetalbotttr4rollingchassis.blogspot.com/</A>


Take a look at the above blogspot. If you know of someone who would benefit 
from this information, pass it on. It will be available for a short period 
and then will go to eBay for auction.

Regards,

Joe Alexander</HTML>


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 26 10:18:54 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:18:54 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR4  Roller For Sale    NFI
In-Reply-To: <b35e.30fcc2f0.389079e5@cs.com>
References: <b35e.30fcc2f0.389079e5@cs.com>
Message-ID: <CBD8461D-C756-4226-92EE-400157603317@earthlink.net>

That won't last long for the price.

~Steve



On Jan 26, 2010, at 9:01 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

FOT.....this is likely the best roller you will ever see.

Uncle Jack & I took a look at this car for another friend a few years  
ago.
Jack's report was highly favorable but we went in another direction.   
It is
now available for sale once again.

<A HREF="http://davetalbotttr4rollingchassis.blogspot.com/">
http://davetalbotttr4rollingchassis.blogspot.com/</A>


Take a look at the above blogspot. If you know of someone who would  
benefit
from this information, pass it on. It will be available for a short  
period
and then will go to eBay for auction.

Regards,

Joe Alexander</HTML>
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From andre at gt6.ca  Tue Jan 26 14:54:17 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:54:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
Message-ID: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>

Serious question.

Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?

2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?

Thoughts...

A.

-- 
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
'77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
Ottawa, ON, Canada


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 26 15:06:53 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:06:53 -0800
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DD8B4554-0B22-494F-A2F8-92DBE7AD3910@earthlink.net>

I hear the sound effects of a cukoo clock when I picture that  
scenario : )

~Steve


On Jan 26, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Andre Rousseau wrote:

Serious question.

Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?

2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?

Thoughts...

A.

-- 
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'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
'77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
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From herald948 at aol.com  Tue Jan 26 15:10:14 2010
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:10:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
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-----Original Message-----

From: Andre Rousseau <andre at gt6.ca>


Serious question.

Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?

2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?


 ==AM==
Possible, I suppose, but iffy at best. There was a print ad for the home
market Vitesse, showing it towing a small formula car on a trailer. At the
very least, though, your GT would need to be pulling no more than a
lightweight trailer with a lightweight racer. Then, of course, you'd need to
figure out how a secure hitch would be mounted to the GT6, and you might need
to look at cooling, electrical and some drivetrain mechanical upgrades.



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

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Register: http://www.vtr.org

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From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Jan 26 15:10:51 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:10:51 -0800
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4555535D24104483846ED9C740910418@Bud>

Holy Mackarel!...Don't jam on the brakes!....
I flat towed  a TR4 racecar with a Tr6 from Oakland Ca. to Laguna Seca....in 
1974...didn't make it though....Hardy Prentice is the guy to ask about that 
stuff...He towed his TR3 with an XKE...
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:54 PM
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


> Serious question.
>
> Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?
>
> 2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?
>
> Thoughts...
>
> A.
>
> -- 
> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
> '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
> Ottawa, ON, Canada
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Jan 26 15:11:36 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:11:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <850313448.13051591264543896623.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

It mostly depends on the length / weight of the trailer vs. the length/weight
of the

tow vehicle. It may tow OK in a strait line but if you are forced to take any
kind of

evasive action or get a crosswindB you will definetly have a big problem.

Frankly, I wouldn't do it.

jg




----- Original Message -----
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To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:54:17 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?

Serious question.

Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?

2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?

Thoughts...

A.

--
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
'77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
Ottawa, ON, Canada
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From bownes at seiri.com  Tue Jan 26 15:37:25 2010
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:37:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <850313448.13051591264543896623.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
	<850313448.13051591264543896623.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd331001261437v24866a70n9c45a9d76e13194f@mail.gmail.com>

Full size race car + all the other goodies you'd need to go racing, not
likely.

Small Formula car on lightweight open trailer, no problem. I've often
thought about a lightweight trailer for my FV so I could tow it behind the
TR6, Miata or MR2. But then there isn't room for the toolbox. :)



On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 5:11 PM, <toodamnfunky at comcast.net> wrote:

> It mostly depends on the length / weight of the trailer vs. the
> length/weight
> of the
>
> tow vehicle. It may tow OK in a strait line but if you are forced to take
> any
> kind of
>
> evasive action or get a crosswindB you will definetly have a big problem.
>
> Frankly, I wouldn't do it.
>
> jg
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:54:17 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
> Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
>
> Serious question.
>
> Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?
>
> 2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?
>
> Thoughts...
>
> A.
>
> --
> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 26 15:40:21 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:40:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
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Having towed home a Volvo 164 behind a Fiat 850 and then pulling a  
full sized Blazer out of a ditch with said Volvo, most anything is  
possible. But I don't think a GT6 could handle the tung weight of a  
[loaded] trailer. Flat tow with a tow-bar might work but no brakes to  
the towed car would not be so good. Maybe a tow dolly with brakes?  
Never seen such but it's doable.
A friend tows a Bug-eye on a rather large trailer behind a '54  
Bentley... He jokes about how much better the Bentley stops with the  
electrically braked trailer attached!

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM

On Jan 26, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Andre Rousseau wrote:

> Serious question.
>
> Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?
>
> 2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?
>
> Thoughts...
>
> A.
>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Tue Jan 26 15:49:41 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:49:41 -0800
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
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> Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?

IMO, yes, it's possible providing you find a lightweight trailer & racer &
you keep an eye on the temp gauge.  If you plan to do this on a regular
basis, I would also suggest electric brakes on the trailer and a matching
automatic controller on the GT6.

FWIW, I once towed a TR3A on a single axle boat trailer some 2500 miles,
through the Rockies & plains states, with a car only slightly heavier and
more powerful than a GT6 (2.8L V6, 2500 lbs curb weight).  Also had the
family and a full load of luggage along.  Had no problems at all, even at
70+ mph, except for burning lots of fuel (nearly 3 times more than normal
driving), and of course slowing down on upgrades.  Fortunately the CHP that
stopped me let me go with a warning on the speed (cars with trailers are
limited to 55 mph in CA).

Don't forget that you will have to have at least 10-12% of the gross weight
of the trailer transferred to the car's suspension (which will actually be
more like 16% at the rear wheels, with an open hitch).  Might need some
beefier springs or air shocks.  Even though they aren't normally used for
such a light trailer, a load-leveling hitch might be an option (to move some
of the transferred weight onto the front wheels of the car).

-- Randall  


From billb at bnj.com  Tue Jan 26 16:01:34 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:01:34 -1000
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D036909-0E0A-48DF-86FB-9064B4F28520@bnj.com>

It almost always comes down to brakes. I'd guess not, at least not safely. 
On Jan 26, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Andre Rousseau wrote:

> Serious question.
> 
> Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?
> 
> 2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?
> 
> Thoughts...
> 
> A.
> 
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Tue Jan 26 16:06:30 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:06:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00b301ca9edc$35b37eb0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  I think I'd get a big honking pickup with a Hemi under the hood!
  Your GT6 is too nice a car to tow with and probably a little underpowered.

  Is there a guy on the list known as catpusher? Is that Hardy Prentice? I
remember talking to Dave at TRF about a guy towing with a Jag. Of course,
the E Type had a lot more under the hood.

  If you buy my gas, I'll bring Moby Dick up and haul you around! Actually,
I may go to Mosport in June and crew for a friend from Grand Island who runs
an MGB. Hopefully you'll be there, with your car, on track.

  Good luck with whatever you decide

  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:54 PM
  Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


  > Serious question.
  >
  > Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?
  >
  > 2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?
  >
  > Thoughts...
  >
  > A.
  >
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From riverside at southslope.net  Tue Jan 26 16:28:12 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:28:12 -0600
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
	<4555535D24104483846ED9C740910418@Bud>
Message-ID: <001201ca9edf$3c772fa0$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Ran a regional at Road America about '72.   two other
TR 3's there - one towed behind a 289 Cobra!

art de armond
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To: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


> Holy Mackarel!...Don't jam on the brakes!....
> I flat towed  a TR4 racecar with a Tr6 from Oakland Ca. to Laguna 
> Seca....in 1974...didn't make it though....Hardy Prentice is the guy to 
> ask about that stuff...He towed his TR3 with an XKE...
> Racer Bud
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:54 PM
> Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
>
>
>> Serious question.
>>
>> Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?
>>
>> 2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?
>>
>> Thoughts...
>>
>> A.
>>
>> -- 
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From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Jan 26 17:11:18 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:11:18 -0800
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100126191118.TYP1O.397522.imail@fed1rmwml33>

You never mentioned WHAT you intended to tow. BRAKES will be the key as you can change the tongue weight to suit and the gearbox will pull it okay, but stopping in the same day, (maybe not:-) (second gear for twenty miles in the Rockies) 

I have flat towed a lot, and that would probably be a better ticket. I flat towed my MG special with a 1951 Morgan 4 seater that had about 3 HP and it was okay over the Rockies too boot.
--
Never be beaten by equipment


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Tue Jan 26 19:37:02 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:37:02 -0800
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <20100126191118.TYP1O.397522.imail@fed1rmwml33>
Message-ID: <45ABAECCF02C45BD8E5DB82A320F1C1E@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is how in the heck are you going to
mount the hitch on the GT6?  There's not much structure in the back 2 ft of
the car and I'm not sure how to run anything substantial up to the frame.
My Subaru Forester is rated to tow 2400 lbs with a class 3 receiver hitch
bolted to the frame.  Based on that, I'd put a safe max on the GT6 of less
than 1000 lbs.


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Jan 26 20:15:07 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:15:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
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Message-ID: <8CC6D160FD2D0F3-428C-F734@webmail-m018.sysops.aol.com>

Hardy used the rear tranny mount of a TR3 bolted to the E-TYPE unibody to
spread the loading and support the hitch for flat towing his TR3 race car.

While in his garage, he pointed at it and asked me if I knew what that was.

I thought it was great. But my purist friend, Hugh Patterson, thought it was
travesty.




-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is how in the heck are you going to
ount the hitch on the GT6?  There's not much structure in the back 2 ft of
he car and I'm not sure how to run anything substantial up to the frame.
y Subaru Forester is rated to tow 2400 lbs with a class 3 receiver hitch
olted to the frame.  Based on that, I'd put a safe max on the GT6 of less
han 1000 lbs.
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From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Jan 26 20:22:46 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:22:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
References: <8CC6D160FD2D0F3-428C-F734@webmail-m018.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1D00F4C6F8D74DDB8E43BCE2ABDC584F@Bud>

It's not a big problem...You can 'Give it a Shot'...If it doesn't pan 
out....Then....I betcha you'll push that Turkey to the track....
Thanks for bringin' back the 'Old Days'
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <norlinengineering at comcast.net>; <andre at gt6.ca>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


> Hardy used the rear tranny mount of a TR3 bolted to the E-TYPE unibody to
> spread the loading and support the hitch for flat towing his TR3 race car.
>
> While in his garage, he pointed at it and asked me if I knew what that 
> was.
>
> I thought it was great. But my purist friend, Hugh Patterson, thought it 
> was
> travesty.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Norlin Engineering <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
> To: 'Andre Rousseau' <andre at gt6.ca>; fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:37 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
>
>
> One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is how in the heck are you going 
> to
> ount the hitch on the GT6?  There's not much structure in the back 2 ft of
> he car and I'm not sure how to run anything substantial up to the frame.
> y Subaru Forester is rated to tow 2400 lbs with a class 3 receiver hitch
> olted to the frame.  Based on that, I'd put a safe max on the GT6 of less
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Tue Jan 26 20:13:46 2010
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:13:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
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	<001201ca9edf$3c772fa0$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
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If you get it rolling   you may need electric brakes on the trailer to stop 
it
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "riverside" <riverside at southslope.net>
To: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>; "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>; 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


> Ran a regional at Road America about '72.   two other
> TR 3's there - one towed behind a 289 Cobra!
>
> art de armond
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
> To: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
>
>
>> Holy Mackarel!...Don't jam on the brakes!....
>> I flat towed  a TR4 racecar with a Tr6 from Oakland Ca. to Laguna 
>> Seca....in 1974...didn't make it though....Hardy Prentice is the guy to 
>> ask about that stuff...He towed his TR3 with an XKE...
>> Racer Bud
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
>> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:54 PM
>> Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
>>
>>
>>> Serious question.
>>>
>>> Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?
>>>
>>> 2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?
>>>
>>> Thoughts...
>>>
>>> A.
>>>
>>> -- 
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>>> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Tue Jan 26 21:06:48 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:06:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
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 Has someone been sniffin fumes ?  But Ido remember there was a GT6 racer who
towed it with a TR8, I believe.








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Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


Serious question.

Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?

2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?

Thoughts...

A.

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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Tue Jan 26 21:39:09 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:39:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
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The owner's manual for the TR8 says that you can tow up to 2800 pounds if
the trailer has brakes.

Paul

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 Has someone been sniffin fumes ?  But Ido remember there was a GT6 racer
who
towed it with a TR8, I believe.








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Sent: Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:54 pm
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


Serious question.

Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?

2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?

Thoughts...

A.

--
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Jan 27 07:47:17 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:47:17 EST
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
Message-ID: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com>

In a message dated 01/26/2010 5:32:23 PM Central Standard Time, 
riverside at southslope.net writes:


> Ran a regional at Road America about '72.   two other
> TR 3's there - one towed behind a 289 Cobra!
> 

Art...

I wonder if one of the others was Mike Belfer (or Tom Belfer, or Mike 
Cataldo, who often CO-drove Belfer's TR3).

In the early 1980s, I used to flat tow Ole Blue.  I had a very short, 
custom made tow bar set up, and it did not track very well at all.  At the time I 
was using an Oldsmobile Fierenza (sp?) as the tow vehicle.  Don't know if 
you remember them, but they were a pretty lightweight compact car.  Well, I 
was towing coming back to Brookfield from Blackhawk on I-43.  I tried to exit 
at Hwy. 164 and the TR3 pushed me past the exit.  On that day I decided 
that MASS was an important issue when selecting a tow vehicle.

Bill Dentinger


From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jan 27 12:06:57 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:06:57 -0600
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
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Back in the day, I towed a trailer behind my TR250 from Dallas to 
Seattle.  The trailer was small, maybe 6x4x4 and maybe 1000 to 1500 
lbs.  Some of those passes in Colorado were 2nd gear all the way.  The 
transmission went out 4 months later and rear end went out after that.

Have you noticed we get into these towing discussions every winter?  I'm 
looking at a Touareg Diesel.  It's a compromise - a bit small for towing 
but more practical around town than a 3/4 ton diesel pickup.

Andre Rousseau wrote:
> Serious question.
>
> Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?
>
> 2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?
>
> Thoughts...
>
> A.


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Wed Jan 27 15:09:44 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:09:44 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Dave Talbot's TR4 is on Bring a Trailer webpage now
Message-ID: <D00D12437CBD415AA2EF6E9D46EA2035@latitudefb1e41>

http://bringatrailer.com/category/british/


Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch
excellence.
Vince Lombardi


From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Jan 27 21:34:22 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:34:22 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <4B608ED1.3050605@pobox.com>
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B608ED1.3050605@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <20100128043439.7D1F518765B@autox.team.net>

So we had the discussion on using a GT-6 as a tow car (LOVE it).  And 
I've been trying to resist morphing this into the full on annual tow 
vehicle discussion, but I can't help myself.

I have a pretty heavy open trailer with a weight jacker hitch that I 
tow my TR-4 with.  I use a Chevy Astro van loaded to the gills and am 
generally pretty happy with it.  It would be nice to move up about 
one notch in power though.  My current one is getting a bit long in 
the tooth (at least from a miles standpoint) - I just turned over 
166,000 miles.  Of course, I've replace MANY parts throughout my 
tenure with this, some expected, some not expected.  The intake 
manifold gasket replacement sucked the big one but was cheap since I 
did it myself, and the brake booster blowout ended up being almost 
$2500 due to the incompetence of the initial repair (should have been 
$1200 and done).

Anyway, GM quit making these things and I'm toying with what to get 
as a replacement.  It doesn't have to happen right away, I can keep 
this one going probably past 200,000.

What I'm looking for is a USED, CHEAP, GREAT tow vehicle.  I really 
like the van idea because I can put a bunch of stuff in it out of the 
rain and such, it's semi-practical when I'm NOT towing, and I can 
carry PEOPLE with it too.  I can have my big cooler within arms reach 
while on the road.  I'm thinking about a lower mileage Astro from one 
of the last years of manufacture.  I paid $2900 for my Astro a few 
years ago (had a bit over 100,000 on it then), so that gives you an 
idea of how I work.  It was an incredible value in my book.  (The 
money goes in the RACE car.)  So, let's say $7,500 max purchase price.

A pickup with a back seat and a topper may be OK, or a BIG SUV may 
work but seems like it has more to go wrong and is very space inefficient.

I'm interested to hear what you think would work...

Thanks, Tony Drews


From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Jan 27 22:01:32 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:01:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <20100128043439.7D1F518765B@autox.team.net>
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com><4B608ED1.3050605@pobox.com>
	<20100128043439.7D1F518765B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <8C73696E13EC4696B2F35FB3B7611054@joepentiumnew>

Tony,
I have an Avalanche that I tow my double deck trailer with two Spits and it
does just fine.

It has a cover for the back end so I can get a lot of stuff in it and with
the back seats laid down, it makes a lot more room for storage.

And since it has four doors, it makes a very good casual vehicle when not
going to events.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:34 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Towing

So we had the discussion on using a GT-6 as a tow car (LOVE it).  And 
I've been trying to resist morphing this into the full on annual tow 
vehicle discussion, but I can't help myself.

I have a pretty heavy open trailer with a weight jacker hitch that I 
tow my TR-4 with.  I use a Chevy Astro van loaded to the gills and am 
generally pretty happy with it.  It would be nice to move up about 
one notch in power though.  My current one is getting a bit long in 
the tooth (at least from a miles standpoint) - I just turned over 
166,000 miles.  Of course, I've replace MANY parts throughout my 
tenure with this, some expected, some not expected.  The intake 
manifold gasket replacement sucked the big one but was cheap since I 
did it myself, and the brake booster blowout ended up being almost 
$2500 due to the incompetence of the initial repair (should have been 
$1200 and done).

Anyway, GM quit making these things and I'm toying with what to get 
as a replacement.  It doesn't have to happen right away, I can keep 
this one going probably past 200,000.

What I'm looking for is a USED, CHEAP, GREAT tow vehicle.  I really 
like the van idea because I can put a bunch of stuff in it out of the 
rain and such, it's semi-practical when I'm NOT towing, and I can 
carry PEOPLE with it too.  I can have my big cooler within arms reach 
while on the road.  I'm thinking about a lower mileage Astro from one 
of the last years of manufacture.  I paid $2900 for my Astro a few 
years ago (had a bit over 100,000 on it then), so that gives you an 
idea of how I work.  It was an incredible value in my book.  (The 
money goes in the RACE car.)  So, let's say $7,500 max purchase price.

A pickup with a back seat and a topper may be OK, or a BIG SUV may 
work but seems like it has more to go wrong and is very space inefficient.

I'm interested to hear what you think would work...

Thanks, Tony Drews
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From Catpusher at aol.com  Thu Jan 28 01:17:09 2010
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 03:17:09 EST
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
Message-ID: <18c.24e9f1ca.3892a205@aol.com>

It has been some time since Joe saw my E Type hitch.  There are two  bars 
inside the floor that bolt to a major strap under the backside that goes  
from the front bottom of the spare tire floor to past the tow ball mounting  
hole that is drilled through it.  The TR3 removable frame rear gearbox  mount 
connects the main bar to straps inside and out that tie into the 4 license  
plate mounting holes.
 
Ellie and I have owned one of the last GT6+s made, since new; and have put  
240,000 miles on it.  I would not suggest towing anything heavy with  it.  
Where do we get new laygears?
 
The GT6 parts book shows PN 210953  "towing attachment kit--rear"  fitted 
up to KC50000 only
and PN 214521 from KC50001 and future.......... on page 199  ACCESSORIES
 
Hardy
 
Date:  Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:15:07 -0500
From: n197tr4 at cs.com
Subject: Re: [Fot]  How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
To: norlinengineering at comcast.net,  andre at gt6.ca, fot at autox.team.net


Hardy used the rear tranny mount  of a TR3 bolted to the E-TYPE unibody to
spread the loading and support the  hitch for flat towing his TR3 race  car.


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Jan 28 07:38:25 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:38:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 'HARDLY A. APPRENTICE'  or  'THE E-TYPE TOW VEHICLE'
In-Reply-To: <18c.24e9f1ca.3892a205@aol.com>
References: <18c.24e9f1ca.3892a205@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC6E3EAF0D53C2-3F64-7D55@webmail-d052.sysops.aol.com>

Yup, I forgot about all of that other stuff connected to the TR3 tranny mount.
Age related thing.

I dont suppose you and Ellie and PC would consider joining us at Heartland
Park in August?

We will be there with Dusty.

Joe, Jan, Dusty








-----Original Message-----
From: Catpusher at aol.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Thu, Jan 28, 2010 2:17 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


It has been some time since Joe saw my E Type hitch.  There are two  bars
nside the floor that bolt to a major strap under the backside that goes
rom the front bottom of the spare tire floor to past the tow ball mounting
ole that is drilled through it.  The TR3 removable frame rear gearbox  mount
onnects the main bar to straps inside and out that tie into the 4 license
late mounting holes.

llie and I have owned one of the last GT6+s made, since new; and have put
40,000 miles on it.  I would not suggest towing anything heavy with  it.
here do we get new laygears?

he GT6 parts book shows PN 210953  "towing attachment kit--rear"  fitted
p to KC50000 only
nd PN 214521 from KC50001 and future.......... on page 199  ACCESSORIES

ardy

ate:  Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:15:07 -0500
rom: n197tr4 at cs.com
ubject: Re: [Fot]  How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
o: norlinengineering at comcast.net,  andre at gt6.ca, fot at autox.team.net

ardy used the rear tranny mount  of a TR3 bolted to the E-TYPE unibody to
pread the loading and support the  hitch for flat towing his TR3 race  car.
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Thu Jan 28 07:54:20 2010
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:54:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <20100128043439.7D1F518765B@autox.team.net>
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B608ED1.3050605@pobox.com>
	<20100128043439.7D1F518765B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <92A2C649-5E9A-4450-B367-0997050612C9@optonline.net>

1999 Ford Expedition. 18ft inclosed trailer, car, tools, wife, kids,  
toys,etc. Haven't check prices lately. I'm sure under 10g. Great all  
purpose vehicle.

My 2 cents
Todd


Sent from Cell phone


On Jan 27, 2010, at 11:34 PM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> So we had the discussion on using a GT-6 as a tow car (LOVE it).   
> And I've been trying to resist morphing this into the full on annual  
> tow vehicle discussion, but I can't help myself.
>
> I have a pretty heavy open trailer with a weight jacker hitch that I  
> tow my TR-4 with.  I use a Chevy Astro van loaded to the gills and  
> am generally pretty happy with it.  It would be nice to move up  
> about one notch in power though.  My current one is getting a bit  
> long in the tooth (at least from a miles standpoint) - I just turned  
> over 166,000 miles.  Of course, I've replace MANY parts throughout  
> my tenure with this, some expected, some not expected.  The intake  
> manifold gasket replacement sucked the big one but was cheap since I  
> did it myself, and the brake booster blowout ended up being almost  
> $2500 due to the incompetence of the initial repair (should have  
> been $1200 and done).
>
> Anyway, GM quit making these things and I'm toying with what to get  
> as a replacement.  It doesn't have to happen right away, I can keep  
> this one going probably past 200,000.
>
> What I'm looking for is a USED, CHEAP, GREAT tow vehicle.  I really  
> like the van idea because I can put a bunch of stuff in it out of  
> the rain and such, it's semi-practical when I'm NOT towing, and I  
> can carry PEOPLE with it too.  I can have my big cooler within arms  
> reach while on the road.  I'm thinking about a lower mileage Astro  
> from one of the last years of manufacture.  I paid $2900 for my  
> Astro a few years ago (had a bit over 100,000 on it then), so that  
> gives you an idea of how I work.  It was an incredible value in my  
> book.  (The money goes in the RACE car.)  So, let's say $7,500 max  
> purchase price.
>
> A pickup with a back seat and a topper may be OK, or a BIG SUV may  
> work but seems like it has more to go wrong and is very space  
> inefficient.
>
> I'm interested to hear what you think would work...
>
> Thanks, Tony Drews
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From LimeyV8 at aol.com  Thu Jan 28 09:35:29 2010
From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:35:29 EST
Subject: [Fot] Towing
Message-ID: <9c84.4e73741e.389316d1@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/28/2010 12:03:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
spitlist at cox.net writes:

I have  an Avalanche that I tow my double deck trailer with two Spits and it
does  just fine.

It has a cover for the back end so I can get a lot of stuff  in it and with
the back seats laid down, it makes a lot more room for  storage.

And since it has four doors, it makes a very good casual  vehicle when not
going to events.

Joe C.
 
 
Ditto or yeah, what he said.
 
I tow with an Avalanche - same color as Joe's actually - and like it a lot. 
 Its got almost 120,000 miles on it now - I've owned it since new and at 
least  75% of those miles were done towing a TR6 or TR8 somewhere. 
no problems with it - ever.
 
Cheers,
Jack Mc


From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Jan 28 10:03:08 2010
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:03:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <9c84.4e73741e.389316d1@aol.com>
References: <9c84.4e73741e.389316d1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd331001280903s338dea6bw9f1fb8e64c4edb30@mail.gmail.com>

wow...

I too am towing with an Avalanche. On my 2nd one in fact (2006 1500, we gave
the 2002 to the in-laws). Towing 24' enclosed trailer with whatever we're
racing/working on this weekend in it (FV, Nissan 200sx LeMons car, TR6,
etc).

IMHO, the 2002 is the one to own. The interior is a bit more comfy. The 1500
front brake disks warp on all of them, think about upgrading to the brake
calipers/rotors from the 2500 if need be.

Another alternative is to find a well loved ambulance. Preferably one owned
by a volunteer rescue squad as they take better care of vehicles. Our squad
just sold off a 6 year old Ford E350 Type III (the kind with the box on the
back) turbo diesel for $4k or so. 100k miles and still going strong. I
strongly considered buying it but it has this _nasty_ squeak in the steering
column that drove me _nuts_ on a several hour transport once. Easily fixed
with a new bushing, but just the memory put me off :)


On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:35 AM, <LimeyV8 at aol.com> wrote:

> In a message dated 1/28/2010 12:03:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> spitlist at cox.net writes:
>
> I have  an Avalanche that I tow my double deck trailer with two Spits and
> it
> does  just fine.
>
> It has a cover for the back end so I can get a lot of stuff  in it and with
> the back seats laid down, it makes a lot more room for  storage.
>
> And since it has four doors, it makes a very good casual  vehicle when not
> going to events.
>
> Joe C.
>
>
> Ditto or yeah, what he said.
>
> I tow with an Avalanche - same color as Joe's actually - and like it a lot.
>  Its got almost 120,000 miles on it now - I've owned it since new and at
> least  75% of those miles were done towing a TR6 or TR8 somewhere.
> no problems with it - ever.
>
> Cheers,
> Jack Mc
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 28 10:43:41 2010
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:43:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd331001280903s338dea6bw9f1fb8e64c4edb30@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9c84.4e73741e.389316d1@aol.com>
	<d9f7bd331001280903s338dea6bw9f1fb8e64c4edb30@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <982600.49707.qm@web80805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If anyone is interested in a new Ford product, get in touch with me.

Doug
Mitchell




________________________________
From: robert bownes
<bownes at seiri.com>
To: LimeyV8 at aol.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu,
January 28, 2010 12:03:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing

wow...

I too am
towing with an Avalanche. On my 2nd one in fact (2006 1500, we gave
the 2002
to the in-laws). Towing 24' enclosed trailer with whatever we're
racing/working on this weekend in it (FV, Nissan 200sx LeMons car, TR6,
etc).
IMHO, the 2002 is the one to own. The interior is a bit more comfy. The 1500
front brake disks warp on all of them, think about upgrading to the brake
calipers/rotors from the 2500 if need be.

Another alternative is to find a
well loved ambulance. Preferably one owned
by a volunteer rescue squad as they
take better care of vehicles. Our squad
just sold off a 6 year old Ford E350
Type III (the kind with the box on the
back) turbo diesel for $4k or so. 100k
miles and still going strong. I
strongly considered buying it but it has this
_nasty_ squeak in the steering
column that drove me _nuts_ on a several hour
transport once. Easily fixed
with a new bushing, but just the memory put me
off :)


On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:35 AM, <LimeyV8 at aol.com> wrote:

> In a
message dated 1/28/2010 12:03:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>
spitlist at cox.net writes:
>
> I have  an Avalanche that I tow my double deck
trailer with two Spits and
> it
> does  just fine.
>
> It has a cover for the
back end so I can get a lot of stuff  in it and with
> the back seats laid
down, it makes a lot more room for  storage.
>
> And since it has four doors,
it makes a very good casual  vehicle when not
> going to events.
>
> Joe C.
>
>
> Ditto or yeah, what he said.
>
> I tow with an Avalanche - same color as
Joe's actually - and like it a lot.
>  Its got almost 120,000 miles on it now
- I've owned it since new and at
> least  75% of those miles were done towing
a TR6 or TR8 somewhere.
> no problems with it - ever.
>
> Cheers,
> Jack Mc
>
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 28 10:54:45 2010
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:54:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <20100128043439.7D1F518765B@autox.team.net>
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4B608ED1.3050605@pobox.com>,
	<20100128043439.7D1F518765B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W4437E915E4CEEF9B2CA174BA5C0@phx.gbl>

 FWIW I am on my 3rd F-150 $X$ (oops I mean 4X4) extended cab with a tonue
cover. Never had trouble with any of them. I have always gone with the 5.4L
and they have been great tow vehicles for me. For years I had a steel trailer
built like a tank and it did great. A few years ago I fell into a deal on an
aluminum trailer. Now I don't even know I am towing something behind me. My 09
has the built in trailer brakes, good stuff.



Marty

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From riverside at southslope.net  Thu Jan 28 11:57:05 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:57:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Towing
References: <9c84.4e73741e.389316d1@aol.com>
	<d9f7bd331001280903s338dea6bw9f1fb8e64c4edb30@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008e01caa04b$af407970$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Any body try one of the airport
shuttle bus Diesels??

art de armond
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "robert bownes" <bownes at seiri.com>
To: <LimeyV8 at aol.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing


> wow...
>
> I too am towing with an Avalanche. On my 2nd one in fact (2006 1500, we 
> gave
> the 2002 to the in-laws). Towing 24' enclosed trailer with whatever we're
> racing/working on this weekend in it (FV, Nissan 200sx LeMons car, TR6,
> etc).
>
> IMHO, the 2002 is the one to own. The interior is a bit more comfy. The 
> 1500
> front brake disks warp on all of them, think about upgrading to the brake
> calipers/rotors from the 2500 if need be.
>
> Another alternative is to find a well loved ambulance. Preferably one 
> owned
> by a volunteer rescue squad as they take better care of vehicles. Our 
> squad
> just sold off a 6 year old Ford E350 Type III (the kind with the box on 
> the
> back) turbo diesel for $4k or so. 100k miles and still going strong. I
> strongly considered buying it but it has this _nasty_ squeak in the 
> steering
> column that drove me _nuts_ on a several hour transport once. Easily fixed
> with a new bushing, but just the memory put me off :)
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:35 AM, <LimeyV8 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 1/28/2010 12:03:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> spitlist at cox.net writes:
>>
>> I have  an Avalanche that I tow my double deck trailer with two Spits and
>> it
>> does  just fine.
>>
>> It has a cover for the back end so I can get a lot of stuff  in it and 
>> with
>> the back seats laid down, it makes a lot more room for  storage.
>>
>> And since it has four doors, it makes a very good casual  vehicle when 
>> not
>> going to events.
>>
>> Joe C.
>>
>>
>> Ditto or yeah, what he said.
>>
>> I tow with an Avalanche - same color as Joe's actually - and like it a 
>> lot.
>>  Its got almost 120,000 miles on it now - I've owned it since new and at
>> least  75% of those miles were done towing a TR6 or TR8 somewhere.
>> no problems with it - ever.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jack Mc
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>> Suggested annual donation $12.96
>>
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>>
>>
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From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Jan 28 12:17:43 2010
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:17:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <008e01caa04b$af407970$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
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	<d9f7bd331001280903s338dea6bw9f1fb8e64c4edb30@mail.gmail.com>
	<008e01caa04b$af407970$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
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There was a guy I knew out in Ca who had one who was pretty happy with it.
Can't for the life of me remember his name though.


On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:57 PM, riverside <riverside at southslope.net> wrote:

> Any body try one of the airport
> shuttle bus Diesels??
>
> art de armond
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert bownes" <bownes at seiri.com>
> To: <LimeyV8 at aol.com>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing
>
>
>  wow...
>>
>> I too am towing with an Avalanche. On my 2nd one in fact (2006 1500, we
>> gave
>> the 2002 to the in-laws). Towing 24' enclosed trailer with whatever we're
>> racing/working on this weekend in it (FV, Nissan 200sx LeMons car, TR6,
>> etc).
>>
>> IMHO, the 2002 is the one to own. The interior is a bit more comfy. The
>> 1500
>> front brake disks warp on all of them, think about upgrading to the brake
>> calipers/rotors from the 2500 if need be.
>>
>> Another alternative is to find a well loved ambulance. Preferably one
>> owned
>> by a volunteer rescue squad as they take better care of vehicles. Our
>> squad
>> just sold off a 6 year old Ford E350 Type III (the kind with the box on
>> the
>> back) turbo diesel for $4k or so. 100k miles and still going strong. I
>> strongly considered buying it but it has this _nasty_ squeak in the
>> steering
>> column that drove me _nuts_ on a several hour transport once. Easily fixed
>> with a new bushing, but just the memory put me off :)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:35 AM, <LimeyV8 at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>  In a message dated 1/28/2010 12:03:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> spitlist at cox.net writes:
>>>
>>> I have  an Avalanche that I tow my double deck trailer with two Spits and
>>> it
>>> does  just fine.
>>>
>>> It has a cover for the back end so I can get a lot of stuff  in it and
>>> with
>>> the back seats laid down, it makes a lot more room for  storage.
>>>
>>> And since it has four doors, it makes a very good casual  vehicle when
>>> not
>>> going to events.
>>>
>>> Joe C.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ditto or yeah, what he said.
>>>
>>> I tow with an Avalanche - same color as Joe's actually - and like it a
>>> lot.
>>>  Its got almost 120,000 miles on it now - I've owned it since new and at
>>> least  75% of those miles were done towing a TR6 or TR8 somewhere.
>>> no problems with it - ever.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jack Mc
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Jan 28 12:58:31 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:58:31 EST
Subject: [Fot] Towing
Message-ID: <117e0.762f5f39.38934667@aol.com>

In a message dated 01/28/2010 1:03:01 PM Central Standard Time, 
riverside at southslope.net writes:


> Any body try one of the airport
> shuttle bus Diesels??
> 
> 

Amici...

For the last four or five years I have been towing a 24' enclosed trailer 
and a race car with a 1995 Chevrolet G30 (One Ton) cargo van.  It's previous 
owner was the National Guard (Texas).  I bought it on ebay in the summer of 
2004 when it had just over 40,000 miles.  Inside I mounted peg board on one 
side and shelves on the other.  It will store and carry pretty much anything 
I want to bring along.  A one ton van is a beast size wise, is sprung like 
a five yard dump, but it has a very civil ride, and is very comfortable.

This vehicle has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine (not Chevy's best effort 
ever).  Starts and runs just fine, but tends to struggle a little bit on 
steep hills.  It used to be even worse, but I've helped myself quite a bit by 
converting to Marine Injectors (thanks to FOTer Mark Craig), and also 
opening up the exhaust system.  The latter made the van sound more like a race car 
than the race car.  At some point I would like to convert to a Marine Pump 
as well.    

I've used a bunch of different tow vehicles (cars, panel, pickups, 
converted vans) down through the years.  All of them had their good and bad points, 
but I really like this big One Ton Cargo Van, and I don't have a ton of 
money tied up in it.

Bill Dentinger


From billb at bnj.com  Thu Jan 28 13:15:43 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:15:43 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <117e0.762f5f39.38934667@aol.com>
References: <117e0.762f5f39.38934667@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C3F36DAC-8948-4AD1-B976-996E4BEE6325@bnj.com>

I'm really fond of my F350 crew cab King Ranch edition and of course Nero, my
airstream toyhauler. I'm going to be selling both this year I think. Diane and
I decided to simplify things to reduce the maintenance load.
http://www.allaluminumtour.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/mall-o-murrica.JPG .
Peyote is being cared for and transported by Tony Garmey (Horizon Racing) and
I'm probably going to get a lightweight open trailer for occasional hauls of
the Ambro.

The F350 has been flawless. the only issue is that Diane hates driving it. It
even gets pretty good mileage--16-17 MPG with no trailer, 14 mpg hauling nero
with a full travel load of Peyote, parts, and all the junk we took on our five
month walkabout. Remarkably comfortable rig.

I suspect we're going to replace it with a Mercedes ML350 Bluetec Diesel
unless some american car manufacturer comes out with something with similar
specs. 7200 pound towing capacity, 25 MPG and Diane likes driving it.

On Jan 28, 2010, at 9:58 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 01/28/2010 1:03:01 PM Central Standard Time,
> riverside at southslope.net writes:
>
>
>> Any body try one of the airport
>> shuttle bus Diesels??
>>
>>
>
> Amici...
>
> For the last four or five years I have been towing a 24' enclosed trailer
> and a race car with a 1995 Chevrolet G30 (One Ton) cargo van.  It's previous
> owner was the National Guard (Texas).  I bought it on ebay in the summer of
> 2004 when it had just over 40,000 miles.  Inside I mounted peg board on one
> side and shelves on the other.  It will store and carry pretty much anything
> I want to bring along.  A one ton van is a beast size wise, is sprung like
> a five yard dump, but it has a very civil ride, and is very comfortable.
>
> This vehicle has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine (not Chevy's best effort
> ever).  Starts and runs just fine, but tends to struggle a little bit on
> steep hills.  It used to be even worse, but I've helped myself quite a bit
by
> converting to Marine Injectors (thanks to FOTer Mark Craig), and also
> opening up the exhaust system.  The latter made the van sound more like a
race car
> than the race car.  At some point I would like to convert to a Marine Pump
> as well.
>
> I've used a bunch of different tow vehicles (cars, panel, pickups,
> converted vans) down through the years.  All of them had their good and bad
points,
> but I really like this big One Ton Cargo Van, and I don't have a ton of
> money tied up in it.
>
> Bill Dentinger
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Thu Jan 28 14:21:45 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:21:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <C3F36DAC-8948-4AD1-B976-996E4BEE6325@bnj.com>
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	<C3F36DAC-8948-4AD1-B976-996E4BEE6325@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <4B61FFE9.9000502@pobox.com>

I'm a firm believer in diesel technology.  After all, its 
thermodynamically more efficient and now very clean.  Unfortunately, 
only the Europeans have embraced it.  There are now four choices without 
going to a big 3/4 ton or larger pickup -  Mercedes, BMW, Audi and VW.  
I like the BMW engine, but towing appears to be an afterthought.  The 
others have 3.0L V6 engines with about 400 ft-lb of torque.  Of course, 
they are all a bit more expensive than what Tony is after.
Larry

Bill Babcock wrote:
> I suspect we're going to replace it with a Mercedes ML350 Bluetec Diesel
> unless some american car manufacturer comes out with something with similar
> specs. 7200 pound towing capacity, 25 MPG and Diane likes driving it.


From andre at gt6.ca  Thu Jan 28 14:53:44 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:53:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <4B61FFE9.9000502@pobox.com>
References: <117e0.762f5f39.38934667@aol.com>
	<C3F36DAC-8948-4AD1-B976-996E4BEE6325@bnj.com>
	<4B61FFE9.9000502@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <4362ae391001281353r2ed1a237nf80ae27c6cf70b57@mail.gmail.com>

When we brought my Italian Red-Head home this summer we towed with my
Friend's Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 3L diesel.

Awesome vehicle to tow with. It was 4AM and I was racing towards New
York and very comfortable. Quiet ride too.

Would love something like that, but like Bill said too big for my
better half. And $$$$ used they are still well over 20K.

I would love a truck, but can't see myself driving a F150 to work either.

Maybe a Ford Escape. I looked at the VW's, but 40-50K for a diesel
Tourage... Again more then I want to spend specially on the account
that they will rust away over time here.

I'm sure all the pieces will sort themselves out in time.

A.

On 28 January 2010 16:21, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:
> I'm a firm believer in diesel technology.  After all, its thermodynamically
> more efficient and now very clean.  Unfortunately, only the Europeans have
> embraced it.  There are now four choices without going to a big 3/4 ton or
> larger pickup -  Mercedes, BMW, Audi and VW.  I like the BMW engine, but
> towing appears to be an afterthought.  The others have 3.0L V6 engines with
> about 400 ft-lb of torque.  Of course, they are all a bit more expensive
> than what Tony is after.
> Larry
>
> Bill Babcock wrote:
>>
>> I suspect we're going to replace it with a Mercedes ML350 Bluetec Diesel
>> unless some american car manufacturer comes out with something with
>> similar
>> specs. 7200 pound towing capacity, 25 MPG and Diane likes driving it.
>
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From riverside at southslope.net  Thu Jan 28 15:44:32 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:44:32 -0600
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
Message-ID: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Anybody have good or bad experiences with
light weight batteries like braille?

art de armond


From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 28 17:03:10 2010
From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (Chip Collingwood)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:03:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] came across these
Message-ID: <380-2201015290310968@earthlink.net>

came across these today

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544129050&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544130321&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544131306&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT

Chip Collingwood
69 TR6 Eprod
71 2dr 510 Vintage 


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Jan 28 17:18:30 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:18:30 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <20100128043439.7D1F518765B@autox.team.net>
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B608ED1.3050605@pobox.com>
	<20100128043439.7D1F518765B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000801caa078$986de8e0$c949baa0$@com>

Tony,
Send an e-mail to Ryan. He did a lot of research on what
engine/transmissions work and don't have problems when he bought the diesel
Excursion.  I think he paid about in the ballpark of what you are looking at
for the Excursion when he got it used at a dealer in Minneapolis.  It sure
pulls nice and you could hold a party inside of it!  I'll forward your post
to him.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:34 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Towing

So we had the discussion on using a GT-6 as a tow car (LOVE it).  And 
I've been trying to resist morphing this into the full on annual tow 
vehicle discussion, but I can't help myself.

I have a pretty heavy open trailer with a weight jacker hitch that I 
tow my TR-4 with.  I use a Chevy Astro van loaded to the gills and am 
generally pretty happy with it.  It would be nice to move up about 
one notch in power though.  My current one is getting a bit long in 
the tooth (at least from a miles standpoint) - I just turned over 
166,000 miles.  Of course, I've replace MANY parts throughout my 
tenure with this, some expected, some not expected.  The intake 
manifold gasket replacement sucked the big one but was cheap since I 
did it myself, and the brake booster blowout ended up being almost 
$2500 due to the incompetence of the initial repair (should have been 
$1200 and done).

Anyway, GM quit making these things and I'm toying with what to get 
as a replacement.  It doesn't have to happen right away, I can keep 
this one going probably past 200,000.

What I'm looking for is a USED, CHEAP, GREAT tow vehicle.  I really 
like the van idea because I can put a bunch of stuff in it out of the 
rain and such, it's semi-practical when I'm NOT towing, and I can 
carry PEOPLE with it too.  I can have my big cooler within arms reach 
while on the road.  I'm thinking about a lower mileage Astro from one 
of the last years of manufacture.  I paid $2900 for my Astro a few 
years ago (had a bit over 100,000 on it then), so that gives you an 
idea of how I work.  It was an incredible value in my book.  (The 
money goes in the RACE car.)  So, let's say $7,500 max purchase price.

A pickup with a back seat and a topper may be OK, or a BIG SUV may 
work but seems like it has more to go wrong and is very space inefficient.

I'm interested to hear what you think would work...

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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Thu Jan 28 20:37:27 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:37:27 -0800
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
In-Reply-To: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <A80EA41B99294161AD73B37463D1EF6A@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

I'm not familiar with that battery, but I'm using a Miata battery and have
had great luck with it.  Less than $100 but you have to go to a dealer to
find one or get them on-line.

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of riverside
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:45 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries


Anybody have good or bad experiences with
light weight batteries like braille?

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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Jan 28 21:34:17 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:34:17 -0800
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
In-Reply-To: <A80EA41B99294161AD73B37463D1EF6A@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <3B.2D.02041.845626B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> Less than $100 but you have to go to 
> a dealer to
> find one or get them on-line. 

Oddly enough, my friend found one at the local independent auto parts store
just a few weeks ago.  It had been on the shelf for awhile though, so no
idea how long it will last in service.

Randall


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jan 28 22:15:42 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:15:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
In-Reply-To: <3B.2D.02041.845626B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
References: <A80EA41B99294161AD73B37463D1EF6A@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<3B.2D.02041.845626B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20100129051605.B91B4187869@autox.team.net>

My original 1995 Miata gel cell battery lasted like 13 years (in a 95 
Miata, of course).  I bought a replacement at the Mazda dealer 
because I was so impressed with the longevity.  They went to normal 
lead / acid because of the SHORT life of the sealed gel cell ones - 
the parts guy said that folks usually didn't get more than 3 years 
out of them!  They had a venting kit to keep the fumes out of the 
trunk, so it was good to get the full dealer treatment anyway.

I've got an Optima gel cell in the race car and am extremely happy 
with it, but lightweight is not a term I'd use to describe it.

I did discover that my alternator hadn't worked right for possibly a 
year or two and I never noticed it at the track.  Maybe it charged 
slightly, but once I figured out what was going on I was REALLY 
impressed by the Optima.

- Tony

At 10:34 PM 1/28/2010, Randall wrote:
> > Less than $100 but you have to go to
> > a dealer to
> > find one or get them on-line.
>
>Oddly enough, my friend found one at the local independent auto parts store
>just a few weeks ago.  It had been on the shelf for awhile though, so no
>idea how long it will last in service.
>
>Randall
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Jan 29 00:44:47 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:44:47 +0100
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
In-Reply-To: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>

I use a small Hawker 20AH battery. Cute thing. Does its job very well.

Cheers
Chris

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From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com  Fri Jan 29 05:40:38 2010
From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:40:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 spring rates
In-Reply-To: <001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>
References: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>
Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98AFDF80793@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>

I am setting up a GT6 for hard racing. It came with 1000# spring rates at the
front. This seems high - I was wondering what others are running.
Thanks
Bill

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From jaboruch at netzero.com  Fri Jan 29 06:57:16 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:57:16 GMT
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
Message-ID: <20100129.085716.19219.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com>

I have been using an Odyssey PC680MJT battery.  It is a dry cell, can be
mounted in any position, and is 15 pounds.  I run an alternator with this, but
have seen others use it without an alternator.  Before I used the alternator I
used the PC925MJT and ran just off the battery.  the 925 is about 26 pounds.
Joe(B)

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From: "riverside" <riverside at southslope.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:44:32 -0600

Anybody have good or bad experiences with
light weight batteries like braille?

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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 08:32:13 2010
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:32:13 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <92A2C649-5E9A-4450-B367-0997050612C9@optonline.net>
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B608ED1.3050605@pobox.com>
	<20100128043439.7D1F518765B@autox.team.net>
	<92A2C649-5E9A-4450-B367-0997050612C9@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <4B62FF7D.6090308@gmail.com>

Todd Redmond wrote:
> 1999 Ford Expedition. 18ft inclosed trailer, car, tools, wife, kids, 
> toys,etc. Haven't check prices lately. I'm sure under 10g. Great all 
> purpose vehicle.

Any idea of what the price would be without the wife and kids?  I don't 
think I'd find those accessories useful.  The truck with the rest of the 
accessories for under $10K sounds good though.

Teriann


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Jan 29 08:48:20 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:48:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
In-Reply-To: <001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>
References: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1001291045130.8281@isis.mit.edu>

On Fri, 29 Jan 2010, MadMarx wrote:

> I use a small Hawker 20AH battery. Cute thing. Does its job very well.

Could you provide a part number?

Is it built up from 12 volt "monoblocks" or is it something different?

I'm thinking about loosing some weight on the car this year (like 40 - 60 
pounds) and the battery looks like an easy win.

:-)

> Cheers
> Chris

regards,
rml
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2009 NER Solo Chair                            |
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Fri Jan 29 09:17:05 2010
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:17:05 -0800
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1001291045130.8281@isis.mit.edu>
References: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>,
	<001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>,
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1001291045130.8281@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W212FF6509F879E75FD8C0FB25B0@phx.gbl>

Loosing weight on a TR4:

I also use the odyssay 620 in 90% of the cars that I build. Avg. life span is
3-4 years.

I have made Cast/ heat treated Alloy to T6 Brake caliper mounts. Saves 1.5 lbs
and also I have made c/moly tubular sway bars. 4.5lbs less than the solid
7/8's bar. Can do 3/4 also. Bars are also h/treated.

PM if interested.



Thx

Tony

> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:48:20 -0500
> From: lang at isis.mit.edu
> To: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] light weight batteries
>
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010, MadMarx wrote:
>
> > I use a small Hawker 20AH battery. Cute thing. Does its job very well.
>
> Could you provide a part number?
>
> Is it built up from 12 volt "monoblocks" or is it something different?
>
> I'm thinking about loosing some weight on the car this year (like 40 - 60
> pounds) and the battery looks like an easy win.
>
> :-)
>
> > Cheers
> > Chris
>
> regards,
> rml
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Jan 29 09:26:19 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:26:19 +0100
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1001291045130.8281@isis.mit.edu>
References: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1001291045130.8281@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <005a01caa0ff$cb253b80$616fb280$@com>

It is a Hawker Odyssey PC 680 20 Ah 12V

To lose some weight.....I always start with my body weight.....and it makes
life cheaper ;-)

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Robert M. Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu]
Gesendet: Freitag, 29. Januar 2010 16:48
An: MadMarx
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] light weight batteries

On Fri, 29 Jan 2010, MadMarx wrote:

> I use a small Hawker 20AH battery. Cute thing. Does its job very well.

Could you provide a part number?

Is it built up from 12 volt "monoblocks" or is it something different?

I'm thinking about loosing some weight on the car this year (like 40 - 60
pounds) and the battery looks like an easy win.

:-)

> Cheers
> Chris

regards,
rml
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2009 NER Solo Chair                            |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Jan 29 10:13:09 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:13:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
In-Reply-To: <BLU136-W212FF6509F879E75FD8C0FB25B0@phx.gbl>
References: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>,
	<001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>,
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1001291045130.8281@isis.mit.edu>
	<BLU136-W212FF6509F879E75FD8C0FB25B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <571A1E481FE34DDFBCE9712DC7DC7063@joepentiumnew>

When I was autocrossing Tiny Tim, I used the battery out of one of those
portable starter units.  The battery was about 3" by 7" by about 5" high and
extremely light.  I always carried a full size battery and cables in case it
ran out of juice but never had to use it.  My main concern was initial
startup, but apparently the battery held enough charge for several starts.

A full charge before the event was enough to last the whole day.

Joe C. 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony and Annie Garmey
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:17 AM
To: lang at isis.mit.edu; tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] light weight batteries

Loosing weight on a TR4:

I also use the odyssay 620 in 90% of the cars that I build. Avg. life span
is
3-4 years.

I have made Cast/ heat treated Alloy to T6 Brake caliper mounts. Saves 1.5
lbs
and also I have made c/moly tubular sway bars. 4.5lbs less than the solid
7/8's bar. Can do 3/4 also. Bars are also h/treated.

PM if interested.



Thx

Tony

> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:48:20 -0500
> From: lang at isis.mit.edu
> To: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] light weight batteries
>
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010, MadMarx wrote:
>
> > I use a small Hawker 20AH battery. Cute thing. Does its job very well.
>
> Could you provide a part number?
>
> Is it built up from 12 volt "monoblocks" or is it something different?
>
> I'm thinking about loosing some weight on the car this year (like 40 - 60
> pounds) and the battery looks like an easy win.
>
> :-)
>
> > Cheers
> > Chris
>
> regards,
> rml
>
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 11:58:20 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:58:20 -0800
Subject: [Fot] came across these
In-Reply-To: <380-2201015290310968@earthlink.net>
References: <380-2201015290310968@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <65f1eaba1001291058s43a5dfaaqc947d7c84e700cf8@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Amici:

Tim's email got me thinking. I have 6 extra American Racing libre wheels in
15 x 5.5 (I think the width is right but they still have tires on them).
Contact me off list if you want pictures since they are varied in condition
although they range from good to very good. Anybody want them?

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Chip Collingwood
<tr6racer21 at earthlink.net>wrote:

> came across these today
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544129050&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544130321&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544131306&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>
> Chip Collingwood
> 69 TR6 Eprod
> 71 2dr 510 Vintage
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 29 12:11:25 2010
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:11:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Master Switch Decal
Message-ID: <286642.47942.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI - anyone out there have access to a 'Vintage' looking Off decal/sticker for the master switch.
.....a picture of one might even help.
Thanks
Dennis


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Fri Jan 29 12:31:40 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:31:40 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Master Switch Decal
In-Reply-To: <286642.47942.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <286642.47942.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000501caa119$af007ea0$0d017be0$@com>

I got one from Pegasus.  Don't know how vintage looking it is but it's sort
of the standard red lightning bolt type.  I recall that some part supplier
was offering them free with a purchase or just on request, sorry can't
remember who. OFD, CRS!

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Dennis DeLap
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 1:11 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Master Switch Decal

AMICI - anyone out there have access to a 'Vintage' looking Off
decal/sticker for the master switch.
.....a picture of one might even help.
Thanks
Dennis
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From riverside at southslope.net  Fri Jan 29 12:40:43 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:40:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
References: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>,
	<001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>,
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1001291045130.8281@isis.mit.edu><BLU136-W212FF6509F879E75FD8C0FB25B0@phx.gbl>
	<571A1E481FE34DDFBCE9712DC7DC7063@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <001e01caa11a$f23a0230$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Thanks for all the replies.

art d
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] light weight batteries


> When I was autocrossing Tiny Tim, I used the battery out of one of those
> portable starter units.  The battery was about 3" by 7" by about 5" high 
> and
> extremely light.  I always carried a full size battery and cables in case 
> it
> ran out of juice but never had to use it.  My main concern was initial
> startup, but apparently the battery held enough charge for several starts.
>
> A full charge before the event was enough to last the whole day.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Tony and Annie Garmey
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:17 AM
> To: lang at isis.mit.edu; tr4racing at googlemail.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] light weight batteries
>
> Loosing weight on a TR4:
>
> I also use the odyssay 620 in 90% of the cars that I build. Avg. life span
> is
> 3-4 years.
>
> I have made Cast/ heat treated Alloy to T6 Brake caliper mounts. Saves 1.5
> lbs
> and also I have made c/moly tubular sway bars. 4.5lbs less than the solid
> 7/8's bar. Can do 3/4 also. Bars are also h/treated.
>
> PM if interested.
>
>
>
> Thx
>
> Tony
>
>> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:48:20 -0500
>> From: lang at isis.mit.edu
>> To: tr4racing at googlemail.com
>> CC: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] light weight batteries
>>
>> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010, MadMarx wrote:
>>
>> > I use a small Hawker 20AH battery. Cute thing. Does its job very well.
>>
>> Could you provide a part number?
>>
>> Is it built up from 12 volt "monoblocks" or is it something different?
>>
>> I'm thinking about loosing some weight on the car this year (like 40 - 60
>> pounds) and the battery looks like an easy win.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> > Cheers
>> > Chris
>>
>> regards,
>> rml
>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> 2009 NER Solo Chair |
>> Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489
>>
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 12:46:12 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:46:12 -0800
Subject: [Fot] came across these
In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba1001291058s43a5dfaaqc947d7c84e700cf8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <380-2201015290310968@earthlink.net>
	<65f1eaba1001291058s43a5dfaaqc947d7c84e700cf8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65f1eaba1001291146k48157b31h1c5d4221f60a6ad9@mail.gmail.com>

Just found out. They're 6 inch Lemans Wheels.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:58 AM, John Nikas
<capecoventryracing at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Amici:
>
> Tim's email got me thinking. I have 6 extra American Racing libre wheels in
> 15 x 5.5 (I think the width is right but they still have tires on them).
> Contact me off list if you want pictures since they are varied in condition
> although they range from good to very good. Anybody want them?
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Chip Collingwood <
> tr6racer21 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> came across these today
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544129050&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544130321&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544131306&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>>
>> Chip Collingwood
>> 69 TR6 Eprod
>> 71 2dr 510 Vintage
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Fri Jan 29 12:47:29 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:47:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] came across these
In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba1001291146k48157b31h1c5d4221f60a6ad9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <380-2201015290310968@earthlink.net>
	<65f1eaba1001291058s43a5dfaaqc947d7c84e700cf8@mail.gmail.com>
	<65f1eaba1001291146k48157b31h1c5d4221f60a6ad9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0803335F3B@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Can you send me a picture? I have four 6" Libres.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of John Nikas
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 1:46 PM
To: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] came across these

Just found out. They're 6 inch Lemans Wheels.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:58 AM, John Nikas
<capecoventryracing at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Amici:
>
> Tim's email got me thinking. I have 6 extra American Racing libre wheels in
> 15 x 5.5 (I think the width is right but they still have tires on them).
> Contact me off list if you want pictures since they are varied in condition
> although they range from good to very good. Anybody want them?
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Chip Collingwood <
> tr6racer21 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> came across these today
>>
>>
>>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544129050&vi
ewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>>
>>
>>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544130321&vi
ewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>>
>>
>>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544131306&vi
ewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>>
>> Chip Collingwood
>> 69 TR6 Eprod
>> 71 2dr 510 Vintage
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>>
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From jeff_durant at comcast.net  Fri Jan 29 13:15:13 2010
From: jeff_durant at comcast.net (jeff_durant at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:15:13 +0000
Subject: [Fot] came across these
In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba1001291058s43a5dfaaqc947d7c84e700cf8@mail.gmail.com>
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John,
Can you send me some pictures?
Thanks,
Jeff D.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: John Nikas <capecoventryracing at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:58:20 
To: <tr6racer21 at earthlink.net>
Cc: Friends of Triumph<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] came across these

Dear Amici:

Tim's email got me thinking. I have 6 extra American Racing libre wheels in
15 x 5.5 (I think the width is right but they still have tires on them).
Contact me off list if you want pictures since they are varied in condition
although they range from good to very good. Anybody want them?

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Chip Collingwood
<tr6racer21 at earthlink.net>wrote:

> came across these today
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544129050&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544130321&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544131306&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>
> Chip Collingwood
> 69 TR6 Eprod
> 71 2dr 510 Vintage
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Fri Jan 29 13:26:55 2010
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:26:55 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Good Article
Message-ID: <000001caa121$67f78d70$37e6a850$@racer@comcast.net>

If you're not a subscriber to the UK magazine MOTORSPORT, you might want to
beat a path to your favorite magazine shop and pick up a copy of the most
recent issue, January 2010.  Nice three page article on the TR2/3 with an
emphasis on its racing history.  Also a short column by a fellow who rallied
one.  Sidebar about a one owner, frame up restoration of a 1958 TR3A ex-
U.S. car.  Owner spent in excess of $57, 500 on the resto and is asking
$41,600 but that does include numerous upgrades for fast road/rallying use!!

 

Gary  


From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Jan 29 13:37:58 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:37:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Master Switch Decal
In-Reply-To: <286642.47942.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <286642.47942.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0B486977561B4EA68FBEC57B28CD697B@joepentiumnew>

Send me an image and I can produce a decal.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Dennis DeLap
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 12:11 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Master Switch Decal

AMICI - anyone out there have access to a 'Vintage' looking Off
decal/sticker for the master switch.
.....a picture of one might even help.
Thanks
Dennis
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From rikrock at aol.com  Sat Jan 30 05:34:07 2010
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:34:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com>
References: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com>

 On that day I decided
that MASS was an important issue when selecting a tow vehicle.

Bill Dentinger
____________________

I know a guy who used to tow his Renault R8 on a single axle (with brakes on a
good day) trailer with a Renault Fuego.  Did it for years without incident,
but....YIKES!!!

Rich Rock


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Jan 30 05:38:08 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:38:08 +0100
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com>
References: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com>
	<8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>

I use a simple petrol injected BMW X3 for towing. 200 HP doing well enough.

Chris

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Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Januar 2010 13:34
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?

 On that day I decided
that MASS was an important issue when selecting a tow vehicle.

Bill Dentinger
____________________

I know a guy who used to tow his Renault R8 on a single axle (with brakes on
a
good day) trailer with a Renault Fuego.  Did it for years without incident,
but....YIKES!!!

Rich Rock
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From andre at gt6.ca  Sat Jan 30 05:41:24 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:41:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>
References: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com>
	<8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com>
	<001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>
Message-ID: <4362ae391001300441t77f13283h4bc417126653e72d@mail.gmail.com>

I like that idea.

A.

On 30 January 2010 07:38, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:
> I use a simple petrol injected BMW X3 for towing. 200 HP doing well enough.
>
> Chris


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sat Jan 30 07:53:29 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:53:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>
References: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com><8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com>
	<001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>
Message-ID: <AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>

An X3 is good for 3748 pounds according to the guides

http://www.trailerlife.com/images/elements/883783_Towing_Guide.pdf

That is about the same as my Dodge Caravan 3800 pounds.

You still need a light weight trailer to tow a car that weighs about 2000
pounds plus spares, tools etc.

Paul



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: January 30, 2010 7:38 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?

I use a simple petrol injected BMW X3 for towing. 200 HP doing well enough.

Chris


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Jan 30 08:07:41 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:07:41 +0100
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com><8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com>
	<001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>
	<AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <002501caa1bd$fa25c2b0$ee714810$@com>

My papers say I can tow 1800 kg.
The cars weight is 1000 kg
The trailer 650 kg
So I can carry 150 kg spares around in the trailer and some spares and
equipment in the tow car.

Enough for me.


Cheers
Chris (who is fond of the French Autobahn because you can tow there at 85
mph)

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com]
Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Januar 2010 15:53
An: 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: RE: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?

An X3 is good for 3748 pounds according to the guides

http://www.trailerlife.com/images/elements/883783_Towing_Guide.pdf

That is about the same as my Dodge Caravan 3800 pounds.

You still need a light weight trailer to tow a car that weighs about 2000
pounds plus spares, tools etc.

Paul



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: January 30, 2010 7:38 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?

I use a simple petrol injected BMW X3 for towing. 200 HP doing well enough.

Chris


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 08:13:40 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:13:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow? Now a new
 trailer.......
In-Reply-To: <AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com><8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com><001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>
	<AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <8CC6FD5F0895576-2CF8-E1A9@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com>

This might be a good time to mention that work continues on a single axle
trailer design incorporating a 3500# axle with a light weight frame, built
strong.

The first design is complete and 'in production'.  Deluxe Version seen in
photobucket.com/ambro                 page 2/3

$1875  base price   Under $3000 nicely optioned   What color do you want?

The happiest towing I ever had was with a single axle purpose built TR4
Trailer.  The very best of it was a trailer with NO springs.....letting the
car suspension absorb the bumps. Low, narrow, hand manueverable, garageable,
this trailer is still in use after passing through several hands over a 20
year period.

Joe A






-----Original Message-----
From: Paul MacDonald <macdonaldp at rogers.com>
To: 'MadMarx' <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:53 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


An X3 is good for 3748 pounds according to the guides
http://www.trailerlife.com/images/elements/883783_Towing_Guide.pdf
That is about the same as my Dodge Caravan 3800 pounds.
You still need a light weight trailer to tow a car that weighs about 2000
ounds plus spares, tools etc.
Paul

-----Original Message-----
rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
ehalf Of MadMarx
ent: January 30, 2010 7:38 AM
o: fot at autox.team.net
ubject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
I use a simple petrol injected BMW X3 for towing. 200 HP doing well enough.
Chris
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 08:20:38 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:20:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Thanks-TR4 ROLLER
In-Reply-To: <AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com><8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com><001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>
	<AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <8CC6FD6E9AA9DD6-2CF8-E2F4@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com>

Thanks for all of the interest on the TR4 ROLLER.

This roller is staying in the FOT Family.

Joe A


From cartravel at pobox.com  Sat Jan 30 08:50:31 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:50:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com><8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com>
	<001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>
	<AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <4B645547.10708@pobox.com>

I've always wondered how these weight limits are determined - by the 
engineering or marketing department?  I generally use a substantial 
safety factor.  With my enclosed trailer I'm towing about 5,000 lbs, so 
I look for a tow rating of 7,000 to 8,000.
Larry

Paul MacDonald wrote:
> An X3 is good for 3748 pounds according to the guides
>
> http://www.trailerlife.com/images/elements/883783_Towing_Guide.pdf
>
> That is about the same as my Dodge Caravan 3800 pounds.
>
> You still need a light weight trailer to tow a car that weighs about 2000
> pounds plus spares, tools etc.
>
> Paul


From BillDentin at aol.com  Sat Jan 30 09:03:34 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:03:34 EST
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
Message-ID: <4d26.523b7953.3895b256@aol.com>

In a message dated 01/30/2010 9:50:47 AM Central Standard Time, 
cartravel at pobox.com writes:


> I've always wondered how these weight limits are determined - by the 
> engineering or marketing department?  I generally use a substantial 
> safety factor.  With my enclosed trailer I'm towing about 5,000 lbs, so 
> I look for a tow rating of 7,000 to 8,000.
> 

I am pretty sure that the those gross vehicle weights and trailer towing 
capacities have to include everything the car is 'carrying' ...driver, 
passengers, luggage, tools, trailer, race car.  You start checking, and you'll find 
that you use up those limits in a hurry.  But I also agree that their PYA 
syndrome has them use an ample safety factor.  My shop is located very close 
to a local stone quarry and they have a huge scale they use for measuring 
truck loads of stone.  Being in the masonry business all those years, I had 
access to that scale and used to weigh my tow vehicle and trailer both empty 
and loaded.  The first time I did that, I was shocked to see how much 'stuff' 
I was carrying weighed.

Bill Dentinger


Bill Dentinger


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 10:20:14 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:20:14 EST
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
Message-ID: <7441.6a0604a5.3895c44e@cs.com>

Low tech answer:  Generally speaking the final product weight limits are 
established by the weakest component rating installed from the supplier.

Tire ratings
axle ratings
transmission ratings
spring ratings

The motorhome industry plays some silly games with these ratings, but I 
think most everyone else is pretty conservative.

Joe A


> I've always wondered how these weight limits are determined - by the 
> engineering or marketing department?  I generally use a substantial 
> safety factor.  With my enclosed trailer I'm towing about 5,000 lbs, so 
> I look for a tow rating of 7,000 to 8,000.
> Larry
> 

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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 10:23:21 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:23:21 EST
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
Message-ID: <75c4.6a6f91c5.3895c509@cs.com>

There is a series of ratings, too.

GAWR      axle rating
GVWR      vehicle rating
GCWR      combined rating   usually associated with towing.

Joe A


> I am pretty sure that the those gross vehicle weights and trailer towing 
> capacities have to include everything the car is 'carrying' ...driver, 
> passengers, luggage, tools, trailer, race car.  You start checking, and 
> you'll find 
> that you use up those limits in a hurry.  But I also agree that their PYA 
> syndrome has them use an ample safety factor.  My shop is located very 
> close 
> to a local stone quarry and they have a huge scale they use for measuring 
> truck loads of stone.  Being in the masonry business all those years, I 
> had 
> access to that scale and used to weigh my tow vehicle and trailer both 
> empty 
> and loaded.  The first time I did that, I was shocked to see how much 
> 'stuff' 
> I was carrying weighed.
> 
> Bill Dentinger
> 

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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 12:24:17 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:24:17 EST
Subject: [Fot] CLASSIC MOTORSPORTS.....does it again.
Message-ID: <ab1d.6dbb125e.3895e161@cs.com>

The new issue is outstanding.....

Of course I am biased.  It is the non-official FOT magazine.

I used to read Road & Track and Car & Driver when I read about the cars I 
could afford.  Or at least thought were in my reach. I cant touch most of 
what they feature now.

And Classic Motorsports reaches backwards in time and features the cars I 
owned and loved (or sometimes hated.   Like this issue....The Volvo 1800S and 
the Corvair Spyder Convertible.  I had both of those cars and have fond 
memories of them.

AND FINALLY, if you look toward the back pages you will find the TEAM of 
Hopkins & Hughes winning the Targa Newfoundland for the THIRD year in a row. 

If you look real close you will see the Uncle Jack Memorial Decal on the 
back passenger side window for the second year. While in Newfoundland (2008) 
we met them and after a short conversation they graciously applied the decal 
prior to their second winning effort.

Thanks Classic Motorsports....and Hopkins & Hughes</HTML>


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 12:48:05 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:48:05 EST
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Vintage Racing - Kastner Cup - Event Shirts
Message-ID: <b4ed.243715e.3895e6f5@cs.com>

FOT,

Something to be thinking about.......EVENT SHIRTS!

The 'august' organizers of this event are going to meet about having an 
event shirt in February.

They will incorporate the FOT Logo into the design, IF they have one. 
However, the FOT logo will be competing for space. Depending the design, the FOT 
logo might not be very prominent.

If there is any interest in producing our own event shirt, it should be 
studied right now.  If so, someone will need to take a leadership role in 
exploring the feasibility and advisability of doing so.  

If HVR does not initiate ANY event shirt, the argument is stronger for 
doing so.

Just a heads up on this if anyone feels strongly about it. This is a big 
job.

Regards,

Joe A</HTML>


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 13:57:27 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:57:27 EST
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Vintage Racing - Kastner Cup - Event Shirts
Message-ID: <d21a.69954edd.3895f737@cs.com>

FOT,

Bill Brinke indicates that he has a meeting with O'Reilley on the date 
below. 

Stand by on this information, but if anyone has any strong feelings about 
having an exclusive shirt for the FOT, please speak up.

Regards,

Joe A


> Joe, I have a meeting scheduled with Tom at O'Reilly on February 3.  We 
> will discuss T-Shirts at that time.  Will let you know what he says.
> Bill
> 

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Joe, I have a meeting scheduled with Tom at O'Reilly on February 3.  We will
discuss T-Shirts at that time.  Will let you know what he says.
Bill
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: N197TR4 at cs.com
  To: fot at autox.team.net
  Cc: brinke at cebridge.net
  Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 1:48 PM
  Subject: Heartland Vintage Racing - Kastner Cup - Event Shirts


  FOT,

  Something to be thinking about.......EVENT SHIRTS!

  The 'august' organizers of this event are going to meet about having an
  event shirt in February.

  They will incorporate the FOT Logo into the design, IF they have one.
  However, the FOT logo will be competing for space. Depending the design, the
FOT
  logo might not be very prominent.

  If there is any interest in producing our own event shirt, it should be
  studied right now.  If so, someone will need to take a leadership role in
  exploring the feasibility and advisability of doing so.

  If HVR does not initiate ANY event shirt, the argument is stronger for
  doing so.

  Just a heads up on this if anyone feels strongly about it. This is a big
  job.

  Regards,

  Joe A</HTML>


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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Sat Jan 30 18:08:16 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:08:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4d26.523b7953.3895b256@aol.com>
References: <4d26.523b7953.3895b256@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000c01caa211$df589a30$9e09ce90$@com>

Good point, Bill.  I was thinking at stopping at one of the local quarries
and weighing the trailer and Excursion.  You've pretty well convinced me not
to do that:)  Sort of like the current military, don't ask, don't tell!

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:04 AM
To: cartravel at pobox.com; macdonaldp at rogers.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?

In a message dated 01/30/2010 9:50:47 AM Central Standard Time, 
cartravel at pobox.com writes:


> I've always wondered how these weight limits are determined - by the 
> engineering or marketing department?  I generally use a substantial 
> safety factor.  With my enclosed trailer I'm towing about 5,000 lbs, so 
> I look for a tow rating of 7,000 to 8,000.
> 

I am pretty sure that the those gross vehicle weights and trailer towing 
capacities have to include everything the car is 'carrying' ...driver, 
passengers, luggage, tools, trailer, race car.  You start checking, and
you'll find 
that you use up those limits in a hurry.  But I also agree that their PYA 
syndrome has them use an ample safety factor.  My shop is located very close

to a local stone quarry and they have a huge scale they use for measuring 
truck loads of stone.  Being in the masonry business all those years, I had 
access to that scale and used to weigh my tow vehicle and trailer both empty

and loaded.  The first time I did that, I was shocked to see how much
'stuff' 
I was carrying weighed.

Bill Dentinger


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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 18:45:31 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:45:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park Vintage Grand Prix - Bill Ames Memorial Award
Message-ID: <8CC702E34E7364B-100-1FE3@webmail-d039.sysops.aol.com>

FOT and Other Friends:

Please note that the Bill AMES MEMORIAL plaque will be awarded at HEARTLAND
PARK in August.

The last recipient was Larry Young and he will be on hand to present it.

I wonder if someone would be willing to contact the other owners of Ambro
cars.....................................????

Of course we expect the Peyote. I suspect the original AMBRO will not be
available.
There is an AMBRO in Omaha and I will contact that guy.
I expect Bill Bonadio to come with his Dio/Ambro.
I know the original builder/owner of the HUSTLER and will invite him.
The current owner of the HUSTLER is in California, but I have no contact with
him.
I will also invite Bill's son, Robert Ames, who was driving a Porsche the last
I knew.
Can someone contact the PEERLESS/AMBRO guy in California and Stadel on the
east cost?
I think Tivvy Shenton's son was working on one... I could be wrong on that.
I hope that Moss Motor's KELVIN DODD, (AMBRO  ARE-002) will join us even
though his MGA based AMBRO will not be done.
We expect ROB DEANES, (AMBRO  ARE-003)   but he will likely bring a TR4.

We could call this the FIRST ANNUAL AMBRO REUNION, if there is enough
interest.

Who am I missing?

Joe A


From Herald948 at aol.com  Sat Jan 30 19:40:57 2010
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:40:57 EST
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
Message-ID: <12fbf.69919ef4.389647b9@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/30/2010 12:20:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
N197TR4 at cs.com writes:

Low tech  answer:  Generally speaking the final product weight limits are  
established by the weakest component rating installed from the  supplier.

Tire ratings
axle ratings
transmission  ratings
spring ratings
==AM==
I guess most modern manufacturers now consider the clutch of a manual  
transmission to be one of those "weakest components"! I'd special-ordered my  
1991 Ford Explorer with full towing package AND five-speed manual, which 
dropped  the max. recommended towing weight by something like 700 lbs. That never 
 bothered me, since I was towing mostly Triumphs (ok, there was that one 
Peugeot  wagon....). The clutch and gearbox never gave me any trouble in over 
200k I put  on the beast, and I only had to replace one propeller shaft 
u-joint.
 
There were plenty of other bits that I had to replace, and I long wished  
I'd gone for the manual transfer case and manual front hubs, but the 
then-wife  didn't like the idea of getting out in mud and snow to lock the front 
hubs. (I  found I didn't like the idea of replacing the automatic front hubs at 
$300 or so  each!)
 
To its credit, though, that little V-6 Explorer towed beautifully at  
highway speeds (and, uh, then some), and it suffered almost no loss in fuel  
economy doing so (about 19.5 mpg average towing, and about 20.5 mpg average  
without trailer).
 
Sometimes I still miss that old beast.... ;-)  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 19:47:52 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:47:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <12fbf.69919ef4.389647b9@aol.com>
References: <12fbf.69919ef4.389647b9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC7036EAE57210-100-2993@webmail-d039.sysops.aol.com>

I've seen,  "Not recommended for towing with manual transmission" or a derated
towing capacity and assumed it was because of the clutch.

I think you are correct.





-----Original Message-----
From: Herald948 at aol.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


In a message dated 1/30/2010 12:20:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
197TR4 at cs.com writes:
Low tech  answer:  Generally speaking the final product weight limits are
stablished by the weakest component rating installed from the  supplier.
Tire ratings
xle ratings
ransmission  ratings
pring ratings
=AM==
 guess most modern manufacturers now consider the clutch of a manual
ransmission to be one of those "weakest components"! I'd special-ordered my
991 Ford Explorer with full towing package AND five-speed manual, which
ropped  the max. recommended towing weight by something like 700 lbs. That
ever
bothered me, since I was towing mostly Triumphs (ok, there was that one
eugeot  wagon....). The clutch and gearbox never gave me any trouble in over
00k I put  on the beast, and I only had to replace one propeller shaft
-joint.

here were plenty of other bits that I had to replace, and I long wished
'd gone for the manual transfer case and manual front hubs, but the
hen-wife  didn't like the idea of getting out in mud and snow to lock the
front
hubs. (I  found I didn't like the idea of replacing the automatic front hubs
at
300 or so  each!)

o its credit, though, that little V-6 Explorer towed beautifully at
ighway speeds (and, uh, then some), and it suffered almost no loss in fuel
conomy doing so (about 19.5 mpg average towing, and about 20.5 mpg average
ithout trailer).

ometimes I still miss that old beast.... ;-)
--Andy  Mace
*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
erald engine with wings.
-  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)
Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
egister: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/)
Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph
erald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/)
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Sat Jan 30 20:18:17 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:18:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] decal - kill switch
Message-ID: <8CC703B2A7A1F7C-57C0-13484@webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com>

 Curious -

When was it required for kill switches and the decal to identify its operation
to be installed on race vehicles.  I realize every sanctioning body would of
incorporated this safety item at different dates in time.  But, I have to ask
since it was brought up about a " Vintage On/Off Sticker " for our Triumphs.
Looking through the limited books I have I do not see any on cars up through
the mid to late sixties.

I have come across pics of 2 types of stickers.  One is the most common which
is a tall rectangular label with a long blue triangle that has a red
lightening bolt in its center, both pointing down to the word OFF on the
bottom of the sticker.  This seems to be available from many suppliers
including the SCCA.  The other sticker is a larger blue symmetrical triangle
with a red lightening bolt in the center, there is no text on it.  This one
takes a bit of searching to locate, but has been found at a couple site in
Britain.

I am also curious as to what the first label(s) looked like.




Curious,
Bob T


From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sat Jan 30 21:44:33 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:44:33 -0800
Subject: [Fot] decal - kill switch
In-Reply-To: <8CC703B2A7A1F7C-57C0-13484@webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC703B2A7A1F7C-57C0-13484@webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B650AB1.3020001@greenheart.com>

What a little Googling uncovered.... --Justin

http://www.rallylights.com/images/DSCN0707.JPG
http://www.rallylights.com/detail.aspx?ID=3541

http://www.performance-oils.co.uk/acatalog/FIABatteryMasterSwitch.jpg
http://www.performance-oils.co.uk/acatalog/Motorsport_Products.html


http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/Images/M/3356.JPG
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=1011


http://www.timskelton.com/lightning/race_prep/weight/battery_relocate.htm


From horizonracing at msn.com  Sat Jan 30 21:52:16 2010
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:52:16 -0800
Subject: [Fot] decal - kill switch
In-Reply-To: <8CC703B2A7A1F7C-57C0-13484@webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC703B2A7A1F7C-57C0-13484@webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W137A3FC729BF374443D368B2590@phx.gbl>

Safety sticker !

On a Devin SS that I restored (completed about 1 1/2 ago) it has about 30k in
paint on it........so no cheap stickers on this car. Along with the Hand
painted numbers, I had the Sign writer put on a Small but visible "lightning
bolt" next to the battery switch  that is on the dash.

Clean,simple and classy .

Cheers

Tony

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From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Jan 30 21:57:53 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:57:53 -0800
Subject: [Fot] decal - kill switch
References: <8CC703B2A7A1F7C-57C0-13484@webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com>
	<BLU136-W137A3FC729BF374443D368B2590@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A979E29C55A247988EB8AE535BFFC79C@Bud>

Yep!..you got it!...That's Period Correct..That's how we did it....It was up 
to us to make a sign clear to the
Safety workers......Write it on the side of the Car...That's the real 
Stuff....RB
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <robertten1 at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] decal - kill switch


> Safety sticker !
>
> On a Devin SS that I restored (completed about 1 1/2 ago) it has about 30k 
> in
> paint on it........so no cheap stickers on this car. Along with the Hand
> painted numbers, I had the Sign writer put on a Small but visible 
> "lightning
> bolt" next to the battery switch  that is on the dash.
>
> Clean,simple and classy .
>
> Cheers
>
> Tony
>
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From brinke at cebridge.net  Sat Jan 30 13:35:07 2010
From: brinke at cebridge.net (Bill Rinke)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:35:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Vintage Racing - Kastner Cup - Event Shirts
References: <b4ed.243715e.3895e6f5@cs.com>
Message-ID: <8A0B4F54EA894D5CB73F19E3E44384AE@main>

Joe, I have a meeting scheduled with Tom at O'Reilly on February 3.  We will
discuss T-Shirts at that time.  Will let you know what he says.
Bill
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: N197TR4 at cs.com
  To: fot at autox.team.net
  Cc: brinke at cebridge.net
  Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 1:48 PM
  Subject: Heartland Vintage Racing - Kastner Cup - Event Shirts


  FOT,

  Something to be thinking about.......EVENT SHIRTS!

  The 'august' organizers of this event are going to meet about having an
  event shirt in February.

  They will incorporate the FOT Logo into the design, IF they have one.
  However, the FOT logo will be competing for space. Depending the design, the
FOT
  logo might not be very prominent.

  If there is any interest in producing our own event shirt, it should be
  studied right now.  If so, someone will need to take a leadership role in
  exploring the feasibility and advisability of doing so.

  If HVR does not initiate ANY event shirt, the argument is stronger for
  doing so.

  Just a heads up on this if anyone feels strongly about it. This is a big
  job.

  Regards,

  Joe A</HTML>


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From LimeyV8 at aol.com  Sun Jan 31 08:28:07 2010
From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:28:07 EST
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
Message-ID: <4697.5ce20e36.3896fb87@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/30/2010 9:41:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
Herald948 at aol.com writes:

To its  credit, though, that little V-6 Explorer towed beautifully at   
highway speeds (and, uh, then some), and it suffered almost no loss in  
fuel  
economy doing so (about 19.5 mpg average towing, and about 20.5  mpg 
average  
without trailer).

Sometimes I still miss that old  beast.... ;-)  
 
 
 
It looked pretty good with a GT6 bonnet tied on the roof   too.
 
Cheers,
Jack Mc


From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Jan 31 09:18:09 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:18:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 1147 with gearbox available
Message-ID: <1C61530E6B3B457B92F91164780871C2@joepentiumnew>

If anyone is looking for a spare engine and tranny for an early Spit to
build, there is a guy in San Francisco who has one he has been trying to get
rid of for some time.  

If anyone is interested shoot me an email and I will give you his contact
information.

No Financial interest.

Joe


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 09:42:43 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:42:43 -0800
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <7441.6a0604a5.3895c44e@cs.com>
Message-ID: <842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

My motorhome (along with most current gasoline engined motorhomes) is only
rated to tow 5,000 lbs.  After looking everything over, I think that's based
strictly on the length of the rear overhang and the relatively Mickey Mouse
way the hitch is attached.  I've got a friend that races a Shelby GT350 with
the same MH as I've got.  His trailer weighs close to 9,000 lb loaded and
he's had no issues whatsoever with towing.  I feel totally comfortable even
though my loaded trailer is aroond 1000 lbs or so over the tow rating.  I do
keep the speeds down and I drop the rig out of overdrive at the slightest
hill.

Jim Norlin

____________________________________________


Low tech answer:  Generally speaking the final product weight limits are
established by the weakest component rating installed from the supplier.

Tire ratings
axle ratings
transmission ratings
spring ratings

The motorhome industry plays some silly games with these ratings, but I
think most everyone else is pretty conservative.

Joe A


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Jan 31 10:27:57 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:27:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <8CC70B1DD5F6516-1C50-29B9B@webmail-m063.sysops.aol.com>

MOTORHOME manufacturers are more concerned with color schemes and floor plans.
Overhangs can be scary as you point out

Frequently on GCWR it comes down to the transmission.  When we produced a
motorhome chassis, Ford Power Products removed the parking pawl and limited
the GCWR.

We developed a hydraulically actuated brake in front of the driveshaft behind
the tailshaft to overcome the lack of parking pawl on the C-6 Transmission,
but there really wasnt any way to overcome the limited GCWR.  I think the
limit was 5000# or not more than 7500#.

We were producing 10,000 chassis a year when the business was sold to OSHKOSH
TRUCK. It lives on as FREIGHTLINER.......






-----Original Message-----
From: Norlin Engineering <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: N197TR4 at cs.com; cartravel at pobox.com; macdonaldp at rogers.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:42 am
Subject: RE: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


My motorhome (along with most current gasoline engined motorhomes) is only
ated to tow 5,000 lbs.  After looking everything over, I think that's based
trictly on the length of the rear overhang and the relatively Mickey Mouse
ay the hitch is attached.  I've got a friend that races a Shelby GT350 with
he same MH as I've got.  His trailer weighs close to 9,000 lb loaded and
e's had no issues whatsoever with towing.  I feel totally comfortable even
hough my loaded trailer is aroond 1000 lbs or so over the tow rating.  I do
eep the speeds down and I drop the rig out of overdrive at the slightest
ill.
Jim Norlin
____________________________________________

ow tech answer:  Generally speaking the final product weight limits are
stablished by the weakest component rating installed from the supplier.
Tire ratings
xle ratings
ransmission ratings
pring ratings
The motorhome industry plays some silly games with these ratings, but I
hink most everyone else is pretty conservative.
Joe A


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sun Jan 31 11:30:48 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:30:48 EST
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Vintage Grand Prix-Kastner Cup
 Entries/Attendees?????
Message-ID: <8957.eadc06e.38972658@cs.com>

FOT

Same old annual question. Please! ASAP!

Looking for INTENT to register as ENTRANT or ATTENDEE

Name - TRIUMPH MODEL - State - email address

We are the featured race and will have much support from the community, the 
track, and HVR.  Planned in addition to the Kastner Cup, is book signing by 
Kas.

Anyway, send me your intent and I will spreadsheet and forward to the 
Organizers, 
Bill Rinke and Gary Fuqua.

If you are a FOT and a Vendor, please consider displaying. Rental is $100 
for 10 x 20 space.

Thanks!

Joe A

</HTML>


From klynch_6 at msn.com  Sun Jan 31 12:23:54 2010
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:23:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 24 Hr.Rolex
Message-ID: <SNT123-DS4D1736970BB00899152C1B7590@phx.gbl>

With 90 min. to go, it's good to see an RMVR member Nick Ham, in the thick of
the GT standings with the #70 Tremblay Mazda entry. It was however, sad to
hear this will be his last year behind the wheel continuing next year in a
'mentoring capacity'.
I guess no good deed goes unpunished...

K Lynch
GT-6
RMVR


From gaf3 at charter.net  Sun Jan 31 12:27:50 2010
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:27:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
References: <842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <4B65D9B6.5040202@charter.net>

Be careful with that!
I pulled a 20' haulmark enclosed trailer with a 28' class C Jayco and 
the cheezy bumper fell off.
That was the only crossmember they used to keep the frame extensions 
from twisting.
If you do have to tow one leave the load equalizing stuff at home.
I sold the trailer and bought an open (lighter weight) to tow behind my 
35' Bounder and have had no problems.
Most of the motor home manufacturers only scab on some channel  to 
extend the length of the motor home.
Depends on the Motor Home chassis

Glenn Franco

Norlin Engineering wrote:
> My motorhome (along with most current gasoline engined motorhomes) is only
> rated to tow 5,000 lbs.  After looking everything over, I think that's based
> strictly on the length of the rear overhang and the relatively Mickey Mouse
> way the hitch is attached.  I've got a friend that races a Shelby GT350 with
> the same MH as I've got.  His trailer weighs close to 9,000 lb loaded and
> he's had no issues whatsoever with towing.  I feel totally comfortable even
> though my loaded trailer is aroond 1000 lbs or so over the tow rating.  I do
> keep the speeds down and I drop the rig out of overdrive at the slightest
> hill.
>
> Jim Norlin
>
> ____________________________________________
>
>
> Low tech answer:  Generally speaking the final product weight limits are
> established by the weakest component rating installed from the supplier.
>
> Tire ratings
> axle ratings
> transmission ratings
> spring ratings
>
> The motorhome industry plays some silly games with these ratings, but I
> think most everyone else is pretty conservative.


From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jan 31 12:51:25 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:51:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <C3F36DAC-8948-4AD1-B976-996E4BEE6325@bnj.com>
References: <117e0.762f5f39.38934667@aol.com>
	<C3F36DAC-8948-4AD1-B976-996E4BEE6325@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <232185.94259.qm@web180704.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

all of this jabber about a GT6 and towing.... WHY would you want to tow anything with a GT6?

OWNING several in the past and currently racing the GT6 with CVAR...   I'm old skool.... back when I had hair I owned Ford vans and love the storage you can have in an enclosed van.

My love machine and tow vehicle is a sold black 2005 E250 5.4 ltr. standard rear ratio (3.27) tow package and positrac.

Love my van and works well in my modest racing budget...

Bobby Whitehead




________________________________
From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
To: BillDentin at aol.com
Cc: bownes at seiri.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 2:15:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing

I'm really fond of my F350 crew cab King Ranch edition and of course Nero, my
airstream toyhauler. I'm going to be selling both this year I think. Diane and
I decided to simplify things to reduce the maintenance load.
http://www.allaluminumtour.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/mall-o-murrica.JPG .
Peyote is being cared for and transported by Tony Garmey (Horizon Racing) and
I'm probably going to get a lightweight open trailer for occasional hauls of
the Ambro.

The F350 has been flawless. the only issue is that Diane hates driving it. It
even gets pretty good mileage--16-17 MPG with no trailer, 14 mpg hauling nero
with a full travel load of Peyote, parts, and all the junk we took on our five
month walkabout. Remarkably comfortable rig.

I suspect we're going to replace it with a Mercedes ML350 Bluetec Diesel
unless some american car manufacturer comes out with something with similar
specs. 7200 pound towing capacity, 25 MPG and Diane likes driving it.

On Jan 28, 2010, at 9:58 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 01/28/2010 1:03:01 PM Central Standard Time,
> riverside at southslope.net writes:
>
>
>> Any body try one of the airport
>> shuttle bus Diesels??
>>
>>
>
> Amici...
>
> For the last four or five years I have been towing a 24' enclosed trailer
> and a race car with a 1995 Chevrolet G30 (One Ton) cargo van.  It's previous
> owner was the National Guard (Texas).  I bought it on ebay in the summer of
> 2004 when it had just over 40,000 miles.  Inside I mounted peg board on one
> side and shelves on the other.  It will store and carry pretty much anything
> I want to bring along.  A one ton van is a beast size wise, is sprung like
> a five yard dump, but it has a very civil ride, and is very comfortable.
>
> This vehicle has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine (not Chevy's best effort
> ever).  Starts and runs just fine, but tends to struggle a little bit on
> steep hills.  It used to be even worse, but I've helped myself quite a bit
by
> converting to Marine Injectors (thanks to FOTer Mark Craig), and also
> opening up the exhaust system.  The latter made the van sound more like a
race car
> than the race car.  At some point I would like to convert to a Marine Pump
> as well.
>
> I've used a bunch of different tow vehicles (cars, panel, pickups,
> converted vans) down through the years.  All of them had their good and bad
points,
> but I really like this big One Ton Cargo Van, and I don't have a ton of
> money tied up in it.
>
> Bill Dentinger
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Sun Jan 31 13:52:13 2010
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:52:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4B65D9B6.5040202@charter.net>
References: <842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<4B65D9B6.5040202@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4B65ED7D.4070500@141.com>

Regarding the towing capacities and frame inadequacies of motorhomes: 
You also need to watch the distance between the rear axles and the rear 
of the vehicle (overhang). If the distance between the two is too great, 
and you tow too great a load, you can pull down/warp the back end. We 
did this with our first RV, the little 20' Class C Coachmen some of you 
have seen. Brad had to jack up and reweld the frame, and beef up the hitch.

For our 27' Winnebago, we added a beefier bolt-on hitch because the 
existing one was inadequate. And we had the frame and hitch beefed up on 
our Airstream before we did much with it, for the same reason. The 
factories only put measly little frame extenders for the hitches in all 
three cases. We could tow a house now, with the Airstream.

Keep Triumphing,
Susan     :)


Glenn Franco wrote:
> Be careful with that!
> I pulled a 20' haulmark enclosed trailer with a 28' class C Jayco and 
> the cheezy bumper fell off.
> That was the only crossmember they used to keep the frame extensions 
> from twisting.
> If you do have to tow one leave the load equalizing stuff at home.
> I sold the trailer and bought an open (lighter weight) to tow behind 
> my 35' Bounder and have had no problems.
> Most of the motor home manufacturers only scab on some channel  to 
> extend the length of the motor home.
> Depends on the Motor Home chassis
>
> Glenn Franco
>

-- 
I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse.


From m-syork at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 14:07:12 2010
From: m-syork at comcast.net (Mark York)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:07:12 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR6 transmission main case
Message-ID: <000801caa2b9$5c38b470$64a91218@markv8zno7deim>

Does anyone have a transmission main case for a TR4A-6 that they would be
willing to sell? I have Tony Garmey (Horizon Racing) rebuilding mine and
Tony has found the PO modified the inside of the case (for another project?)
with a grinder.

I'm looking for one in good shape; please let me know if you have one you
can part with.

Thanks in advance

Mark


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Jan 31 14:10:26 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:10:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4B65ED7D.4070500@141.com>
References: <842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP><4B65D9B6.5040202@charter.net>
	<4B65ED7D.4070500@141.com>
Message-ID: <8CC70D0F1B83F17-1C50-2C860@webmail-m063.sysops.aol.com>

AIRSTREAM put a considerable amount of work into their trailer platforms and
added a lot of strength to the chassis, as the aluminum shell needs a lot more
support than you might think. Bill B may have a few observations on this.







-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:52 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


Regarding the towing capacities and frame inadequacies of motorhomes: You also
need to watch the distance between the rear axles and the rear of the vehicle
(overhang). If the distance between the two is too great, and you tow too
great a load, you can pull down/warp the back end. We did this with our first
RV, the little 20' Class C Coachmen some of you have seen. Brad had to jack up
and reweld the frame, and beef up the hitch.

For our 27' Winnebago, we added a beefier bolt-on hitch because the existing
one was inadequate. And we had the frame and hitch beefed up on our Airstream
before we did much with it, for the same reason. The factories only put measly
little frame extenders for the hitches in all three cases. We could tow a
house now, with the Airstream.

Keep Triumphing,
Susan :)

Glenn Franco wrote:
> Be careful with that!
> I pulled a 20' haulmark enclosed trailer with a 28' class C Jayco and > the
cheezy bumper fell off.
> That was the only crossmember they used to keep the frame extensions > from
twisting.
> If you do have to tow one leave the load equalizing stuff at home.
> I sold the trailer and bought an open (lighter weight) to tow behind > my
35' Bounder and have had no problems.
> Most of the motor home manufacturers only scab on some channel to > extend
the length of the motor home.
> Depends on the Motor Home chassis
>
> Glenn Franco
>

-- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse.
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Sun Jan 31 14:26:21 2010
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:26:21 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
References: <7441.6a0604a5.3895c44e@cs.com>
	<842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <e43c87342e164.4b65f57d@optonline.net>

Amici,

Here is the answer to everyones towing questions. 

http://shadowhawkvehicles.com/company/products

Think we can get a group discount?


Todd Redmond
TR3A



----- Original Message -----
From: Norlin Engineering 
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010 11:43 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
To: N197TR4 at cs.com, cartravel at pobox.com, macdonaldp at rogers.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net

> My motorhome (along with most current gasoline engined 
> motorhomes) is only
> rated to tow 5,000 lbs. After looking everything over, I think 
> that's based
> strictly on the length of the rear overhang and the relatively 
> Mickey Mouse
> way the hitch is attached. I've got a friend that races a 
> Shelby GT350 with
> the same MH as I've got. His trailer weighs close to 9,000 lb 
> loaded and
> he's had no issues whatsoever with towing. I feel totally 
> comfortable even
> though my loaded trailer is aroond 1000 lbs or so over the tow 
> rating. I do
> keep the speeds down and I drop the rig out of overdrive at the 
> slightesthill.
> 
> Jim Norlin
> 
> ____________________________________________
> 
> 
> Low tech answer: Generally speaking the final product weight 
> limits are
> established by the weakest component rating installed from the 
> supplier.
> Tire ratings
> axle ratings
> transmission ratings
> spring ratings
> 
> The motorhome industry plays some silly games with these 
> ratings, but I
> think most everyone else is pretty conservative.
> 
> Joe A
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From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jan 31 14:34:27 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:34:27 -1000
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <8CC70D0F1B83F17-1C50-2C860@webmail-m063.sysops.aol.com>
References: <842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP><4B65D9B6.5040202@charter.net>
	<4B65ED7D.4070500@141.com>
	<8CC70D0F1B83F17-1C50-2C860@webmail-m063.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <2BCF9B21-8177-430B-A484-27748C1D61EF@bnj.com>

I assume Susan is talking about an airstream motorhome--I don't have
experience with these. Airstream trailer frames are actually kind of dinky, at
least the older ones are. They rely a lot on the aluminum shell as a
monocoque. The 34' has a more substantial frame but the smaller ones are
flimsy from the wheels back.


On Jan 31, 2010, at 11:10 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:

> AIRSTREAM put a considerable amount of work into their trailer platforms
and
> added a lot of strength to the chassis, as the aluminum shell needs a lot
more
> support than you might think. Bill B may have a few observations on this.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:52 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
>
>
> Regarding the towing capacities and frame inadequacies of motorhomes: You
also
> need to watch the distance between the rear axles and the rear of the
vehicle
> (overhang). If the distance between the two is too great, and you tow too
> great a load, you can pull down/warp the back end. We did this with our
first
> RV, the little 20' Class C Coachmen some of you have seen. Brad had to jack
up
> and reweld the frame, and beef up the hitch.
>
> For our 27' Winnebago, we added a beefier bolt-on hitch because the
existing
> one was inadequate. And we had the frame and hitch beefed up on our
Airstream
> before we did much with it, for the same reason. The factories only put
measly
> little frame extenders for the hitches in all three cases. We could tow a
> house now, with the Airstream.
>
> Keep Triumphing,
> Susan :)
>
> Glenn Franco wrote:
>> Be careful with that!
>> I pulled a 20' haulmark enclosed trailer with a 28' class C Jayco and >
the
> cheezy bumper fell off.
>> That was the only crossmember they used to keep the frame extensions >
from
> twisting.
>> If you do have to tow one leave the load equalizing stuff at home.
>> I sold the trailer and bought an open (lighter weight) to tow behind > my
> 35' Bounder and have had no problems.
>> Most of the motor home manufacturers only scab on some channel to > extend
> the length of the motor home.
>> Depends on the Motor Home chassis
>>
>> Glenn Franco
>>
>
> -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse.
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From andre at gt6.ca  Sun Jan 31 14:45:34 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:45:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <e43c87342e164.4b65f57d@optonline.net>
References: <7441.6a0604a5.3895c44e@cs.com>
	<842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<e43c87342e164.4b65f57d@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <4362ae391001311345h6c0a2a22y3dc28c09b815152f@mail.gmail.com>

That looks like something out of MegaForce the movie.

A.

On 31 January 2010 16:26,  <alfetta95 at optonline.net> wrote:
> Amici,
>
> Here is the answer to everyones towing questions.
>
> http://shadowhawkvehicles.com/company/products
>
> Think we can get a group discount?
>
>
> Todd Redmond
> TR3A
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Norlin Engineering
> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010 11:43 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
> To: N197TR4 at cs.com, cartravel at pobox.com, macdonaldp at rogers.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>
>> My motorhome (along with most current gasoline engined
>> motorhomes) is only
>> rated to tow 5,000 lbs. After looking everything over, I think
>> that's based
>> strictly on the length of the rear overhang and the relatively
>> Mickey Mouse
>> way the hitch is attached. I've got a friend that races a
>> Shelby GT350 with
>> the same MH as I've got. His trailer weighs close to 9,000 lb
>> loaded and
>> he's had no issues whatsoever with towing. I feel totally
>> comfortable even
>> though my loaded trailer is aroond 1000 lbs or so over the tow
>> rating. I do
>> keep the speeds down and I drop the rig out of overdrive at the
>> slightesthill.
>>
>> Jim Norlin
>>
>> ____________________________________________
>>
>>
>> Low tech answer: Generally speaking the final product weight
>> limits are
>> established by the weakest component rating installed from the
>> supplier.
>> Tire ratings
>> axle ratings
>> transmission ratings
>> spring ratings
>>
>> The motorhome industry plays some silly games with these
>> ratings, but I
>> think most everyone else is pretty conservative.
>>
>> Joe A
>> _______________________________________________
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-- 
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'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
'77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
Ottawa, ON, Canada


From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jan 31 14:50:41 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:50:41 -1000
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <e43c87342e164.4b65f57d@optonline.net>
References: <7441.6a0604a5.3895c44e@cs.com>
	<842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<e43c87342e164.4b65f57d@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <3F85AACE-A261-4721-BF00-0AD09DF55275@bnj.com>

On what? Drawings? Pretty feeble IMHO. Check out Dan Simon's stuff:
http://www.cosmic-motors.com/

If I'm going after fantasy, I at least want it to be well done.

On Jan 31, 2010, at 11:26 AM, alfetta95 at optonline.net wrote:

> Amici,
>
> Here is the answer to everyones towing questions.
>
> http://shadowhawkvehicles.com/company/products
>
> Think we can get a group discount?
>
>
> Todd Redmond
> TR3A
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Norlin Engineering
> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010 11:43 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
> To: N197TR4 at cs.com, cartravel at pobox.com, macdonaldp at rogers.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>
>> My motorhome (along with most current gasoline engined
>> motorhomes) is only
>> rated to tow 5,000 lbs. After looking everything over, I think
>> that's based
>> strictly on the length of the rear overhang and the relatively
>> Mickey Mouse
>> way the hitch is attached. I've got a friend that races a
>> Shelby GT350 with
>> the same MH as I've got. His trailer weighs close to 9,000 lb
>> loaded and
>> he's had no issues whatsoever with towing. I feel totally
>> comfortable even
>> though my loaded trailer is aroond 1000 lbs or so over the tow
>> rating. I do
>> keep the speeds down and I drop the rig out of overdrive at the
>> slightesthill.
>>
>> Jim Norlin
>>
>> ____________________________________________
>>
>>
>> Low tech answer: Generally speaking the final product weight
>> limits are
>> established by the weakest component rating installed from the
>> supplier.
>> Tire ratings
>> axle ratings
>> transmission ratings
>> spring ratings
>>
>> The motorhome industry plays some silly games with these
>> ratings, but I
>> think most everyone else is pretty conservative.
>>
>> Joe A
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jan 31 14:54:38 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:54:38 -1000
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <3F85AACE-A261-4721-BF00-0AD09DF55275@bnj.com>
References: <7441.6a0604a5.3895c44e@cs.com>
	<842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<e43c87342e164.4b65f57d@optonline.net>
	<3F85AACE-A261-4721-BF00-0AD09DF55275@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA1C80-C35B-4303-B494-4DAB9988D811@bnj.com>

I'll take this one:
http://www.cosmic-motors.com/store/wallpaper/cosmicmotors_wp02_1280.jpg

On Jan 31, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Bill Babcock wrote:

> On what? Drawings? Pretty feeble IMHO. Check out Dan Simon's stuff:
> http://www.cosmic-motors.com/
>
> If I'm going after fantasy, I at least want it to be well done.
>
> On Jan 31, 2010, at 11:26 AM, alfetta95 at optonline.net wrote:
>
>> Amici,
>>
>> Here is the answer to everyones towing questions.
>>
>> http://shadowhawkvehicles.com/company/products
>>
>> Think we can get a group discount?
>>
>>
>> Todd Redmond
>> TR3A
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Norlin Engineering
>> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010 11:43 am
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
>> To: N197TR4 at cs.com, cartravel at pobox.com, macdonaldp at rogers.com
>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>>
>>> My motorhome (along with most current gasoline engined
>>> motorhomes) is only
>>> rated to tow 5,000 lbs. After looking everything over, I think
>>> that's based
>>> strictly on the length of the rear overhang and the relatively
>>> Mickey Mouse
>>> way the hitch is attached. I've got a friend that races a
>>> Shelby GT350 with
>>> the same MH as I've got. His trailer weighs close to 9,000 lb
>>> loaded and
>>> he's had no issues whatsoever with towing. I feel totally
>>> comfortable even
>>> though my loaded trailer is aroond 1000 lbs or so over the tow
>>> rating. I do
>>> keep the speeds down and I drop the rig out of overdrive at the
>>> slightesthill.
>>>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan 31 15:43:21 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:43:21 +0100
Subject: [Fot] WG:  Towing
Message-ID: <000b01caa2c6$cd279c70$6776d550$@com>

I really do understand him.
I had the idea to tow my TR 4 with my Porsche 911 as this car was equipped
with a tow hitch but unfortunately Porsche don't want to be towed anything
heavier than 800kg. No chance to discuss with them.
So I gave up this idea and use my BMW X3 for towing.
But once I used a small trailer with the Porsche. I did find out that the
Porsche did stop accelerating ....when I had a look on the tach it showed
110 mph. The drag of the tent like cover on the trailer was to much for the
230 HP engine. Was a bit scary to see the trailer bouncing on the road in
the mirror. Good that there was no police close by.

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Bobby Whitehead
Gesendet: Sonntag, 31. Januar 2010 20:51
An: Bill Babcock
Cc: FoT Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Towing

all of this jabber about a GT6 and towing.... WHY would you want to tow
anything with a GT6?

OWNING several in the past and currently racing the GT6 with CVAR...   I'm
old skool.... back when I had hair I owned Ford vans and love the storage
you can have in an enclosed van.

My love machine and tow vehicle is a sold black 2005 E250 5.4 ltr. standard
rear ratio (3.27) tow package and positrac.

Love my van and works well in my modest racing budget...

Bobby Whitehead


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan 31 15:45:30 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:45:30 +0100
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <e43c87342e164.4b65f57d@optonline.net>
References: <7441.6a0604a5.3895c44e@cs.com>
	<842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<e43c87342e164.4b65f57d@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <000c01caa2c7$1947d4d0$4bd77e70$@com>

Looks like a "how to scare Taliban" car. ;-)

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von alfetta95 at optonline.net
Gesendet: Sonntag, 31. Januar 2010 22:26
An: Norlin Engineering
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?

Amici,

Here is the answer to everyones towing questions.

http://shadowhawkvehicles.com/company/products

Think we can get a group discount?


Todd Redmond
TR3A


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 18:11:05 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:11:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Cooked Front Wheel Bearing On GT6
Message-ID: <A65A14E9-F888-4FD1-995D-88B1E5086F20@comcast.net>

One of the inner wheel bearings was totally dried out - looked like  
the grease had just been baked black by the heat of the brake rotor,  
transmitted to the hub. The race had turned that brownish gold color  
metal gets after being heated a lot.  The outer bearing was ok, though  
blackened grease had migrated over there, and the bearings on the  
other front hub are fine.  Last event I ran was an enduro, but still,  
only about 50 minutes of driving time.

I had looked at the bearings at the not long ago - smooth and plenty  
of grease.  There's no evidence of actual bearing disintegration, just  
too much heat and burned up grease.
Is it time for air ducts?  I run Hawk HT10s, stock calipers and  
rotors.  Brakes were pulling straight, rotors are not warped -  
possible this side was dragging, but there was no evidence of it while  
driving.  I would have figured the brakes would fade away before this  
happened.


From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 19:20:17 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:20:17 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Cooked Front Wheel Bearing On GT6
References: <A65A14E9-F888-4FD1-995D-88B1E5086F20@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <52590302D78647D9B725B6377C58F790@Bud>

have you checked the tightness of the Big nut on the Back side of the axle?
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:11 PM
Subject: [Fot] Cooked Front Wheel Bearing On GT6


> One of the inner wheel bearings was totally dried out - looked like  
> the grease had just been baked black by the heat of the brake rotor,  
> transmitted to the hub. The race had turned that brownish gold color  
> metal gets after being heated a lot.  The outer bearing was ok, though  
> blackened grease had migrated over there, and the bearings on the  
> other front hub are fine.  Last event I ran was an enduro, but still,  
> only about 50 minutes of driving time.
> 
> I had looked at the bearings at the not long ago - smooth and plenty  
> of grease.  There's no evidence of actual bearing disintegration, just  
> too much heat and burned up grease.
> Is it time for air ducts?  I run Hawk HT10s, stock calipers and  
> rotors.  Brakes were pulling straight, rotors are not warped -  
> possible this side was dragging, but there was no evidence of it while  
> driving.  I would have figured the brakes would fade away before this  
> happened.
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 19:36:36 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:36:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Cooked Front Wheel Bearing On GT6
In-Reply-To: <52590302D78647D9B725B6377C58F790@Bud>
References: <A65A14E9-F888-4FD1-995D-88B1E5086F20@comcast.net>
	<52590302D78647D9B725B6377C58F790@Bud>
Message-ID: <4756335D-367B-4CB7-89C5-FD754586154D@comcast.net>

yes - it was pretty snug - though I got maybe 1/8 turn on the nut.

On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:20 PM, RACER BUD wrote:

have you checked the tightness of the Big nut on the Back side of the  
axle?
RB
----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:11 PM
Subject: [Fot] Cooked Front Wheel Bearing On GT6


> One of the inner wheel bearings was totally dried out - looked like   
> the grease had just been baked black by the heat of the brake  
> rotor,  transmitted to the hub. The race had turned that brownish  
> gold color  metal gets after being heated a lot.  The outer bearing  
> was ok, though  blackened grease had migrated over there, and the  
> bearings on the  other front hub are fine.  Last event I ran was an  
> enduro, but still,  only about 50 minutes of driving time.
> I had looked at the bearings at the not long ago - smooth and  
> plenty  of grease.  There's no evidence of actual bearing  
> disintegration, just  too much heat and burned up grease.
> Is it time for air ducts?  I run Hawk HT10s, stock calipers and   
> rotors.  Brakes were pulling straight, rotors are not warped -   
> possible this side was dragging, but there was no evidence of it  
> while  driving.  I would have figured the brakes would fade away  
> before this  happened.
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From kaskas at cox.net  Sun Jan 31 19:39:40 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:39:40 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Towing
Message-ID: <20100131213940.202FJ.27095.imail@fed1rmwml31>

So enough of this.  You need a 400 HP truck that has sleeping for five, and cooking, and gets 23 mpg, while going uphill with the AC blooming full chat and brakes that can stop a locomotive.  For this we will pay about $3000.  Okay now that is settled, lets talk about cars..
--
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 19:59:09 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:59:09 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Cooked Front Wheel Bearing On GT6
References: <A65A14E9-F888-4FD1-995D-88B1E5086F20@comcast.net>
	<52590302D78647D9B725B6377C58F790@Bud>
	<4756335D-367B-4CB7-89C5-FD754586154D@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BEDE5C8A02C1427797BEAD1F5D3BF2AC@Bud>

Hi Scott....It's loose!.The stub axle bolt is 55-60 lbs torque on a
Spitfire..Must be about the same for a GT6..
RB
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Scott Janzen
  To: RACER BUD
  Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
  Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Cooked Front Wheel Bearing On GT6


  yes - it was pretty snug - though I got maybe 1/8 turn on the nut.


  On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:20 PM, RACER BUD wrote:


  have you checked the tightness of the Big nut on the Back side of the axle?
  RB
  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
  To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:11 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Cooked Front Wheel Bearing On GT6



    One of the inner wheel bearings was totally dried out - looked like  the
grease had just been baked black by the heat of the brake rotor,  transmitted
to the hub. The race had turned that brownish gold color  metal gets after
being heated a lot.  The outer bearing was ok, though  blackened grease had
migrated over there, and the bearings on the  other front hub are fine.  Last
event I ran was an enduro, but still,  only about 50 minutes of driving time.

    I had looked at the bearings at the not long ago - smooth and plenty  of
grease.  There's no evidence of actual bearing disintegration, just  too much
heat and burned up grease.

    Is it time for air ducts?  I run Hawk HT10s, stock calipers and  rotors.
Brakes were pulling straight, rotors are not warped -  possible this side was
dragging, but there was no evidence of it while  driving.  I would have
figured the brakes would fade away before this  happened.

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From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jan 31 20:04:42 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:04:42 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <20100131213940.202FJ.27095.imail@fed1rmwml31>
References: <20100131213940.202FJ.27095.imail@fed1rmwml31>
Message-ID: <88FBCE6D-4BAA-4493-941B-C5917820AEC2@bnj.com>

I think it's actually about $43K, but I agree.

A little Peyote porn, courtesy of Tony Garmey. The little bugger sure looks
good. http://www.kenalu.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/peyote.jpg

Here's my current transportation--my downwind board converted to a trailer for
the seven mile leg back to the jeep:
http://www.kenalu.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/trailer.jpg

On Jan 31, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:

> So enough of this.  You need a 400 HP truck that has sleeping for five, and
cooking, and gets 23 mpg, while going uphill with the AC blooming full chat
and brakes that can stop a locomotive.  For this we will pay about $3000.
Okay now that is settled, lets talk about cars..
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From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jan 31 20:07:01 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:07:01 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <20100131213940.202FJ.27095.imail@fed1rmwml31>
References: <20100131213940.202FJ.27095.imail@fed1rmwml31>
Message-ID: <7D97290F-0ACE-43B1-8E87-FC0C71DE5B42@bnj.com>

I think it's actually about $43K, but I agree.

A little Peyote porn, courtesy of Tony Garmey. The little bugger sure looks
good. http://www.kenalu.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/peyote.jpg

Here's my current transportation--my downwind board converted to a trailer for
the seven mile leg back to the jeep:
http://www.kenalu.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/trailer.jpg

That should be filed under "what's the towing capacity of a cheap mountain
bike"

Bill

On Jan 31, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:

> So enough of this.  You need a 400 HP truck that has sleeping for five, and
cooking, and gets 23 mpg, while going uphill with the AC blooming full chat
and brakes that can stop a locomotive.  For this we will pay about $3000.
Okay now that is settled, lets talk about cars..
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From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jan 31 20:13:32 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:13:32 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <20100131213940.202FJ.27095.imail@fed1rmwml31>
References: <20100131213940.202FJ.27095.imail@fed1rmwml31>
Message-ID: <5AF04D5B-F29B-4333-9047-C931D63B4C15@bnj.com>

Here's the thread about this on the Standup Zone, a bigger bunch of lunatics I
haven't met, other than, well, everyone in the FOT.
http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=5928.0


On Jan 31, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:

> So enough of this.  You need a 400 HP truck that has sleeping for five, and
cooking, and gets 23 mpg, while going uphill with the AC blooming full chat
and brakes that can stop a locomotive.  For this we will pay about $3000.
Okay now that is settled, lets talk about cars..
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 20:26:33 2010
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:26:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SCCA President's Cup Award: Sam Halkias
Message-ID: <673993c51001311926s20de2579hde73f9a4229cc7b4@mail.gmail.com>

Sam Halkias was awarded the President's Cup this past weekend at the SCCA
National Convention. Congrats!

Bob


From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Fri Jan  1 07:03:41 2010
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 01:03:41 +1100
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery
In-Reply-To: <002101ca8ac9$fca9fcd7$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <002101ca8ac9$fca9fcd7$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAOn6/+DcTk9NpLLRiCERAAABAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>

Henry,

Happy New Year to you also!

 

I have a very similar system to yourself as you described. I too fitted a
bleed port on the thermostat housing to minimize air in the system. I am
sort of wondering now why no one has looked at designing an extended filler
neck arrangement to replace the thermostat housing? Maybe this will fix the
2 glaring issue with the current stock setup of too low a fill point and air
bleeding? I started thinking about this option today when I sat down and
looked at all the components etc. I would need to fit a recovery system.
Maybe the filler neck will do the job nicely and save allot of plumbing! 

 

Cheers.

 

 

 

 

From: Henry Frye [mailto:henry at henryfrye.com] 
Sent: Friday, 1 January 2010 9:06 PM
To: Peter Vucinic
Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery

 

Peter,

I don't think there is a concensus on coolant system plumbing. I have seen
successful installations that range from what appears to be quite stock to
much more radical approaches than you are describing.

I guess it all depends on how much power you are making and how hard you
drive it.

I make as much power as the rest of the fast TR's in the east and mid-west
USA, and drive very hard. Fastest and first in class TR4 at the Kastner Cup
race in 2008 at Watkins Glen. Here's what I do...

I block off water passages in the front of the head to direct more flow to
the back of the block, run an oversized radiator with a stock recovery
overflow bottle, a 16 pound radiator cap, no expansion tank and have plugs
in the heater box tap and heater pipe outlet in the water pump. I installed
a petcock in the thermostat housing to purge air from the system when
filling, and run a 185 degree thermostat to keep enough heat in the engine
no matter what season I am racing in. Works great.

I know it's old news for you guys down under, but Happy New Year!

Henry Frye  -  Sent from Phone
Triumph Technology Consultants
860.508.3118 (C) - 860.653.3118 (O)


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Vucinic <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 6:01 AM
To: FOT at autox.team.net <FOT at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery

Lister's,



I believe that we have already seen a few threads on this subject. But I am
seeking general consensus on the plumbing/routing of coolant lines to and
from a coolant system recovery/expansion tank/bottle for the TR4.



Obviously I am making the following assumptions: -

1.    Expansion/recovery tank will be mounted higher than the cylinder head.
Say, on the firewall next to the battery

2.    Existing Radiator cap to be of the fixed/closed type

3.    Coolant system over pressure will now be controlled by radiator cap
fitted to expansion/recovery tank

4.    Coolant total loss will now occur at the expansion tank due to over
pressure



My questions are: -

1.    Are any of you already running a system such as the above? Successful
in controlling air into the coolant circuit/system?

2.    Where is the most appropriate connection to the coolant expansion
recovery tank made? E.g. At the heater tap port and the back of the water
pump? Thermostat housing? Radiator top hose/port?

3.    Do you have an air bleed orifice/port in this cooling circuit/system
as well?





Thanks in advance





Kind Regards

Peter Vucinic

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Jan  1 08:12:59 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 09:12:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery
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I would suggest NOT running any lines from the block / head to a tank 
with a normal radiator cap.  The block pressure is well above the 
radiator pressure - the thermostat housing is the orifice that keeps 
the block pressure high.  Jack installed a radiator cap at the top of 
the thermostat housing and kept losing all of his coolant through the 
radiator cap's bypass until we figured this out and plugged the 
bypass vent.  So the rad cap in the thermostat housing was just a 
means of filling the engine and was completely sealed once 
filled.  We still used the radiator's cap for venting down to a 
reasonable pressure.

If you use an expansion tank and tie it to the heater port in the 
head, 30+ psi water from the head will pressurize the tank.  With the 
pressure controlled as you describe I predict that you will loose 
coolant due to this overpressurization.

- Tony Drews

At 11:10 PM 12/31/2009, Peter Vucinic wrote:
>Lister's,
>
>
>
>I believe that we have already seen a few threads on this subject. But I am
>seeking general consensus on the plumbing/routing of coolant lines to and
>from a coolant system recovery/expansion tank/bottle for the TR4.
>
>
>
>Obviously I am making the following assumptions: -
>
>1.    Expansion/recovery tank will be mounted higher than the cylinder head.
>Say, on the firewall next to the battery
>
>2.    Existing Radiator cap to be of the fixed/closed type
>
>3.    Coolant system over pressure will now be controlled by radiator cap
>fitted to expansion/recovery tank
>
>4.    Coolant total loss will now occur at the expansion tank due to over
>pressure
>
>
>
>My questions are: -
>
>1.    Are any of you already running a system such as the above? Successful
>in controlling air into the coolant circuit/system?
>
>2.    Where is the most appropriate connection to the coolant expansion
>recovery tank made? E.g. At the heater tap port and the back of the water
>pump? Thermostat housing? Radiator top hose/port?
>
>3.    Do you have an air bleed orifice/port in this cooling circuit/system
>as well?
>
>
>
>
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>
>
>
>
>Kind Regards
>
>Peter Vucinic
>
>TR-4
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Fri Jan  1 08:42:44 2010
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 07:42:44 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAK3NofvDgY9LoafUB5HsXfgBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
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Good  Morning and Happy New Year to All, Peter, my exp. tank is mounted high 
on the firewall. There are four lines comeing from said tank, the lowest one 
is a 1 1/4 in. which goes to a tee in the water pump to lower rad. hose. 
Next up on tank is a 5/16 line to rad. neck, third one up is a 5/16 line 
which goes to a hand built low profile stat houseing, ( no stat used ) and 
the forth line up is a 3/8 hose to a catch can, never an issue with any air 
in system, my problem is the car runs to cold so i'm trying to locate an 
inline thermostat at top rad. hose, tired of screwing around with cardboard, 
hope this info. helps......Mark Pendy #65 tr4
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Vucinic" <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 9:10 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery


> Lister's,
>
>
>
> I believe that we have already seen a few threads on this subject. But I 
> am
> seeking general consensus on the plumbing/routing of coolant lines to and
> from a coolant system recovery/expansion tank/bottle for the TR4.
>
>
>
> Obviously I am making the following assumptions: -
>
> 1.    Expansion/recovery tank will be mounted higher than the cylinder 
> head.
> Say, on the firewall next to the battery
>
> 2.    Existing Radiator cap to be of the fixed/closed type
>
> 3.    Coolant system over pressure will now be controlled by radiator cap
> fitted to expansion/recovery tank
>
> 4.    Coolant total loss will now occur at the expansion tank due to over
> pressure
>
>
>
> My questions are: -
>
> 1.    Are any of you already running a system such as the above? 
> Successful
> in controlling air into the coolant circuit/system?
>
> 2.    Where is the most appropriate connection to the coolant expansion
> recovery tank made? E.g. At the heater tap port and the back of the water
> pump? Thermostat housing? Radiator top hose/port?
>
> 3.    Do you have an air bleed orifice/port in this cooling circuit/system
> as well?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Sat Jan  2 10:03:29 2010
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:03:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Happy New Year and new salvage arrivals.
Message-ID: <4B3F7C61.5030907@bright.net>

Happy New Year to the list.  2010 already - time sure flies  when you're 
having fun.  With the recent discussion of using TR6 front suspension 
components, thought some of our  recent salvage arrivals might be of 
interest. We just got in 3 TR6 parts cars in the last 2 weeks. Plenty of 
front suspensions, gearboxes, differentials, etc. Also a stack of 
TR3.TR4 short blocks. 

We just did another run of our uprated TR springs.  TR3 - 6 fronts and 
TR4AIRS - TR6 rears.  We produce a large portion of the uprated springs 
sold in the country.  Accurate within +/- 2% (tightest tolerance in the 
industry) and guaranteed not to set or sag.  Many of the coil springs we 
rate checked, especially UK made, will vary as much as 10%. We supply 
these in both stock and 1" shorter free length. Rates are 20% firmer in 
front and 25% firmer in rear.  We can also tell you how much to cut if 
you want to raise the spring rate - 1/8 of a coil = 8# rate increase.  
This is only true on our springs.. 

To all who gave the great compliments on our gear reduction starters, 
thank you. For those of you who do not yet have one or are going to add 
a "spare", we will do a FOT January gear reduction starter sale. Order 
any of our starters, except Rover V8, for $179.95.  $20 off the regular 
price.  TR 3 and TR4 owners, be sure to specify bolt-on or press on ring 
gear when ordering.  Sale ends Feb 1. You must specify FOT starter sale 
when ordering. 

Please visit our website for new items, new product announcements and more.
Thanks, Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Jan  2 17:32:05 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:32:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Such a deal!
Message-ID: <4B3FE585.5070407@bradakis.com>

Gee, only a day to go and still under $1,000 - just what everyone needs!


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-TR-6_W0QQitemZ120511866213QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item1c0f112565



mjb.


From billb at bnj.com  Sat Jan  2 18:24:45 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:24:45 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Such a deal!
In-Reply-To: <4B3FE585.5070407@bradakis.com>
References: <4B3FE585.5070407@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <71671B70-8E66-4158-9217-98FA80625DF0@bnj.com>

Ukk, I could have gone all day without looking at that dead possum. I love the
part where the owner says "all major work has been done" and all that
rotisserie motor needs is a carburetor!
On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:

> Gee, only a day to go and still under $1,000 - just what everyone needs!
>
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-TR-6_W0QQitemZ120511866213QQcmdZViewIt
emQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item1c0f112565
>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Jan  2 18:33:00 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 18:33:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Such a deal!
In-Reply-To: <4B3FE585.5070407@bradakis.com>
References: <4B3FE585.5070407@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <23CCB727F62B40259E7BD7D38C2C1D13@joepentiumnew>

I guess there are just not too many people interested in buying a Vitesse
titled as a TR6 and Powered by a Mazda Rotary engine.

Joe

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Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 5:32 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] Such a deal!

Gee, only a day to go and still under $1,000 - just what everyone needs!


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-TR-6_W0QQitemZ120511866213QQcmdZViewI
temQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item1c0f112565



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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  2 18:35:26 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:35:26 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Such a deal!
In-Reply-To: <4B3FE585.5070407@bradakis.com>
References: <4B3FE585.5070407@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <0CEFC98F-B896-4BCC-9D23-89D5581B50DC@earthlink.net>

Hmm, it says 300HP Mazda rotary.

~Steve


On Jan 2, 2010, at 4:32 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:

> Gee, only a day to go and still under $1,000 - just what everyone  
> needs!
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-TR-6_W0QQitemZ120511866213QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item1c0f112565
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Jan  2 18:40:36 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:40:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Such a deal!
In-Reply-To: <4B3FE585.5070407@bradakis.com>
References: <4B3FE585.5070407@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4B3FF594.6090706@bradakis.com>

By the way, the car is here in Salt Lake.  He had it listed on a local
classified for $4500.

If you want me to go look at it, uh, I'll be busy that day, I need to
wax my socks and check the Honda's muffler fluid.

mjb.


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan  3 02:59:35 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:59:35 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Photo update
In-Reply-To: <4B377F31.9050605@twcny.rr.com>
References: <4B36C9CE.8050302@blacksburg.net> <4B377F31.9050605@twcny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000e01ca8c5b$759852f0$60c8f8d0$@com>

Hi guys,

I've updated my webpage with some photos.
Most of them are my car related.

http://www.tr4-racing.de/deu/gallery2009.html

Cheers
Chris


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan  3 08:11:52 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:11:52 +0100
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
In-Reply-To: <8CC0E709639F5C7-18D8-1FCE3@webmail-d068.sysops.aol.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu><3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
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	<8CC0E709639F5C7-18D8-1FCE3@webmail-d068.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>

I've several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers.
What does they indicate?

Cheers
Chris


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Jan  3 10:03:22 2010
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:03:22 EST
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
Message-ID: <bbf.64a5d92c.387227da@aol.com>

Racing classes.  D Production, E Production.  Loosely based on  
displacement.EP was 2000 cc, DP was 2500 etc.
 
Other examples would start with F for Formula cars as FF=Formula Ford or FA 
 for Formula Atlantic.  I'm sure you could get all of the current classes  
and details from an SCCA website or rulebook.
 
 
In a message dated 1/3/2010 8:50:10 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:

I've  several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers.
What does  they  indicate?

Cheers
Chris
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From cwnfot at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 10:09:04 2010
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:09:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
In-Reply-To: <000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu><3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
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	<000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>
Message-ID: <000601ca8c97$7456db00$5d049100$@com>

In SCCA racing they are P for Production classes
AP (A Production) is the fastest class, Big-block Corvettes for instance
B
C
D
E
F 1300-1500 Spitfires
G 1147 Spitfires
H is slowest (948 Sprites for instance, a friend runs an old VW Scirocco
here)

I'm not 100% sure what is in what class anymore, these things keep changing!

>From the SCCA.com site:
PRODUCTION

Series produced cars, which are allowed a range of performance modifications
while retaining their original design, structure and drive layout. There is
no age limit, such as Showroom Stock, so Production includes many cars as
old as 50 years and as new as current body styles. The four performance
potential based classes include: E Production (EP), F Production (FP) and H
Production (HP). 

EP is the fastest of the Production classes with HP running the slowest in
the category. Several cars in the Production classes can be run in more than
one class, just by changing the engine between races. The ease of engine
changes allows many Production drivers to enter more than one class at the
Runoffs each year. Cars included in Production classes come from a diverse
group ranging from the MG Midget, Turner, Fiat X1/9, Alfa Romeo Spyder,
Austin Healey Sprite, and Lotus Super 7 to the BMW 325, Mazda Miata, RX-7,
Nissan 240, Honda Civic, Suzuki Swift GTI and Toyota MR-2.

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
"Reality, it's not what you think."


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jan  3 10:11:21 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 09:11:21 -0800
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
In-Reply-To: <000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu><3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <8524764A-1435-4A28-84CD-18AAE742B8A7@earthlink.net>

Chris, here is a list of cars and classifications for my race group.
Hope the formatting looks correct, I cut and pasted this and sent it
from my mac.


PRODUCTION (P) CLASSIFICATION
Guideline list for cars through 1972 effective  1/1/2004

AP
Cobra 427
4/8/2009
http://www.vararacing.com/RulebookNew.html
Cobra 289 with Webers
Corvette big block
Corvette Gran Sport
Shelby GT500

AP3
AMX 390
1968-1972 Corvette 427
1968-1972 Boss Mustang 429

BP
Corvette 327
Cobra 289
Shelby GT350
Jaguar XKE
Sunbeam Tiger

BP3
1968-1972 Corvette small block

CP
Alfa GTZ
Corvette up to 1962 with 327
Ginetta G4 1500cc pushrod
Lotus Elan 1558cc
Lotus S7  1600cc pushrod
Morgan Super Sport
Jaguar all except XKE
Porsche 911 2 liter
Porsche 904  2 liter

CP3
Datsun 240Z  2.4 liter
Porsche 914-6 Up to 2.4 liter
Porsche 911  2.4 liter

DP
Alfa Spider up to 2 liter
Austin Healy Sprite up to 1381cc max
Corvette up to 1960 with 265/283
Page 28of 62
VARA, Vintage Auto Racing Association, Vintage Auto Racing,
4/8/2009
http://www.vararacing.com/RulebookNew.htmlPage 28of 62
VARA, Vintage Auto Racing Association, Vintage Auto Racing,

Elva Courier with B type engine
Fiat 124 spider up to 2 liters
Daimler V-8
Datsun 2000
Ginetta 1300cc
Lotus 7 1500ohv  non cross-flow
MG Midget up to 1381cc max
Porsche 914-4 up to 2 liter
Porsche 912 up to 2 liter
Turner 1500ohv
Triumph GT6
Triumph TR6/TR250
Triumph TR4/4A
Triumph Spitfire 1300 &1500
TVR 1800
Volvo P1800 up to 2 liter

EP
Alfa Spider 1600cc
Alfa Duetto 1600cc and 1750cc
Austin Healy 100-6/3000
Austin Healy Sprite 1275cc
Elva Courier 1622 original type engine
Fiat 124 spider up to 1688cc
Ginetta 1000cc
Lotus Europa 1470cc
MGB/MGB GTMGA with B engine
MG Midget 1275cc
Morgan +4 up to 2.2 liter
Porsche 912 up to 1725cc
Porsche 914-4 1700cc
Porsche 356 up to 1725cc
Sabra 1500cc
Triumph TR2/3  2200cc
TVR 1622cc
Turner 1500 with single downdraft, non cross-flow
Volvo P1800  1800cc

FP
Arnolt/Bristol
Alfa Guila 1600cc with 4 wheel drum brakes
Alfa Giulietta Spider 1300cc
Austin Healy 100-4
Datsun 1500 & 1600 roadster
Lotus 7 America 948cc & 997cc
MGA 1622cc & twin cam
Morgan 4/4 MKV
Porsche 356 up to 1600cc with drum brakes
Sunbeam Alpine 1725cc
Triumph Spitfire 1147cc
Triumph TR2/3  2000cc


Page 29of 62
VARA, Vintage Auto Racing Association, Vintage Auto Racing,
4/8/2009
http://www.vararacing.com/RulebookNew.html
GP
Abarth OT1000
Abarth Berlina Corsa 982cc/1050cc
Alfa Giulietta 1300 with 4 wheel drum brakes
Austin Healy Sprite 1098cc
MG Midget 1098cc
Mini 1098/1071cc
Morris Minor 1098cc
NSU TT 1100cc
Porsche 1300
Sunbeam Alpine 1592cc/1494cc
Turner 950S
VW Karmman Gia and Bug 1200cc

HP
Austin Healy Sprite 948cc
BMW 700
Fiat Abarth 750cc/850cc
Fiat 850 sedan and spider 850cc/903ccFiat 1200 spider
MG TC/TD/TF
Mini 850/998
NSU TTS 996cc
Panhard sedans
Saab 850 sedans  850cc/998cc
Sunbeam IMP

Page 30of 62
VARA, Vintage Auto Racing Association, Vintage Auto Racing,

On Jan 3, 2010, at 7:11 AM, MadMarx wrote:

> I've several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers.
> What does they indicate?
>
> Cheers
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sun Jan  3 10:36:04 2010
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 09:36:04 -0800
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu><3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com><876CF187-9365-4878-9A81-EC417FDDFF65@earthlink.net><8CC0E709639F5C7-18D8-1FCE3@webmail-d068.sysops.aol.com>
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Message-ID: <26939103DDE64D7EBB6C8ABA2D233C25@desktop>

Chris, to help explain the extensions, they are SCCA (Sports Car Club of 
America) designations given to cars for classification for racing.  The 'P' 
is for production, and some cars may have a 'S' for sedans.  The first 
letter is the division of that classification being the 'A' would be the 
highest.  As far as how they got the division, I'm not sure if it was 
assigned according to speed or if the manufacturer lobbied for the class.
I have heard of cars changing classes to be more competitive.
It is not a designation of engine size as some cars with larger engines go 
to a lower class and some cars with smaller engines go to a higher class.
  see this link for a explanation of which cars are what 
(http://www.sovren.org/competition/rules/pcs/PCS69%20Index.htm  or 
http://www.sovren.org/competition/rules/gcr/HTML%20gcr_69.html  )
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44CP

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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:11 AM
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on


> I've several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers.
> What does they indicate?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Sun Jan  3 10:41:35 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 09:41:35 -0800
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
In-Reply-To: <000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>
Message-ID: <3B4CCDD4E08C4C79B24C154C5F9D83B2@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Chris

It's a car classification designation.  The P stands for a Production car
and the first letter is a grouping by performance potential.  In the old
days, these used to go from AP down to HP and many vintage organizations
still use those designations.

Jim

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Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:12 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on


I've several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers. What
does they indicate?

Cheers
Chris
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From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jan  3 11:17:45 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 08:17:45 -1000
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
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They are SCCA (Sports Car Club of America) classifications. P means
production, the D and E reflect the performance potential of the car. In
theory (or at least in the sports racer categories, like DSR which means D
Sports racer) it's based on engine size, with D being 1 liter and E being two.
In practice it has more to do with what the rules committee had for breakfast
and who owns the ox that is being gored.

TR3's are usually EP, Peyote is EM which means E Modified.

On Jan 3, 2010, at 5:11 AM, MadMarx wrote:

> I've several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers.
> What does they indicate?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From billbab at me.com  Sun Jan  3 11:28:38 2010
From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 08:28:38 -1000
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
In-Reply-To: <73EDD59F-DCEC-4E71-A627-39CF73B59E44@bnj.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
	<3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
	<876CF187-9365-4878-9A81-EC417FDDFF65@earthlink.net>
	<8CC0E709639F5C7-18D8-1FCE3@webmail-d068.sysops.aol.com>
	<000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>
	<73EDD59F-DCEC-4E71-A627-39CF73B59E44@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <7B71E089-D52B-4100-B495-DFEE51142323@me.com>

Oops, I said that wrong, in the SR classes ESR really no longer exists except in other sanctioning bodies, and there it's usually 850 cc, though that varies too. The sizes (or more correctly, performance potentials) go from A (biggest) to H (smallest). As you'll see from the other replies, these rules are complicated, as you would expect any rule that started out too simple (engine size) and later was tweaked frequently to try to keep race classes reasonably competitive across marques.  

 
On Jan 3, 2010, at 8:17 AM, Bill Babcock wrote:

> They are SCCA (Sports Car Club of America) classifications. P means production, the D and E reflect the performance potential of the car. In theory (or at least in the sports racer categories, like DSR which means D Sports racer) it's based on engine size, with D being 1 liter and E being two. In practice it has more to do with what the rules committee had for breakfast and who owns the ox that is being gored. 
> 
> TR3's are usually EP, Peyote is EM which means E Modified. 
> 
> On Jan 3, 2010, at 5:11 AM, MadMarx wrote:
> 
>> I've several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers.
>> What does they indicate?
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan  3 12:28:15 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:28:15 +0100
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
In-Reply-To: <7B71E089-D52B-4100-B495-DFEE51142323@me.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
	<3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
	<876CF187-9365-4878-9A81-EC417FDDFF65@earthlink.net>
	<8CC0E709639F5C7-18D8-1FCE3@webmail-d068.sysops.aol.com>
	<000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>
	<73EDD59F-DCEC-4E71-A627-39CF73B59E44@bnj.com>
	<7B71E089-D52B-4100-B495-DFEE51142323@me.com>
Message-ID: <000601ca8caa$e8d89f00$ba89dd00$@com>

So the only difficulty is to find out what performance potential the car
has. Who does judge this?
And is there a way alter the classification?


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:billbab at me.com]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Januar 2010 19:29
An: Bill Babcock
Cc: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] EP DP and so on

Oops, I said that wrong, in the SR classes ESR really no longer exists
except in other sanctioning bodies, and there it's usually 850 cc, though
that varies too. The sizes (or more correctly, performance potentials) go
from A (biggest) to H (smallest). As you'll see from the other replies,
these rules are complicated, as you would expect any rule that started out
too simple (engine size) and later was tweaked frequently to try to keep
race classes reasonably competitive across marques.


On Jan 3, 2010, at 8:17 AM, Bill Babcock wrote:

> They are SCCA (Sports Car Club of America) classifications. P means
production, the D and E reflect the performance potential of the car. In
theory (or at least in the sports racer categories, like DSR which means D
Sports racer) it's based on engine size, with D being 1 liter and E being
two. In practice it has more to do with what the rules committee had for
breakfast and who owns the ox that is being gored.
>
> TR3's are usually EP, Peyote is EM which means E Modified.
>
> On Jan 3, 2010, at 5:11 AM, MadMarx wrote:
>
>> I've several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers.
>> What does they indicate?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
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>>
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Sun Jan  3 12:50:14 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:50:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC content, scale model running chevy V-8
Message-ID: <000b01ca8cad$f89ed4b0$e9dc7e10$@com>

For those running out of things to do on their race car.

 

Tim

 

 

World's smallest running Chevy V-8 motor
 
     He  did it all on a Bridgeport milling 
machine.  
 
    After viewing all of the pictures, be sure  to catch both of the 
film clips of it actually  running.
 
    http://www.moyermade.com/chevyV8.html


From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jan  3 15:19:22 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:19:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Bobby Whitehead
Message-ID: <639576.19101.qm@web180712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

TEST...


my emails haven't been getting out....    


checking


From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jan  3 15:20:16 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:20:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: triumph pistons/ rods
Message-ID: <310170.63600.qm@web180703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
To: FoT Triumph <fot-request at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, December 27, 2009 9:49:39 PM
Subject: triumph pistons/ rods


Is it worth the extra expense for forged pitsons and rods in a GT6 race car if it's a vinatge raced outting 6-7 weekends a year?

Bobby Whitehead, not, Bill Gates...


From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jan  3 15:20:51 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:20:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: new member recommendation
Message-ID: <141542.99512.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
To:
FoT Triumph <fot-request at autox.team.net>
Cc: David Bonito
<triumphracing2 at aol.com>
Sent: Thu, December 24, 2009 4:27:53 PM
Subject: new
member recommendation


I would like to recommend a new member to FoT.

David
Bonito ///  triumphracing2 at aol.com

He has raced SCCA with his TR6, sells some
cool stuff on his website, and eBay... really knowledgable Triumph guy for the
forum.

Yeah he's in Geooorgia and sells some really nice race prepared stuff
and seems to know a ton about the cars and race prep...


I would like to wish
all my friends, seen and un-seen , a very Merry Christmas...   we're getting
HAMMERED with snow in North Texas for Christmas Eve.. almost a little God send
...  I needed an acknowledgement form the Big Man... as usual, He came
through...

and to all a good night....


Bobby Whitehead
1970 TRIUMPHGT6+
CVAR GP7 DP


From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jan  3 15:21:28 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:21:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: GT6 build
Message-ID: <85807.72382.qm@web180711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
To:
FoT Triumph <fot-request at autox.team.net>
Cc: David Bonito
<triumphracing2 at aol.com>
Sent: Wed, December 23, 2009 10:44:07 AM
Subject: GT6
build


putting parts together for my 'spare' engine for the race car... 
there's a guy David Bonito ( triumphracing2 at aol.com ) I've bought some parts
from. He's directed me towards the PI head that apparently came on a few GT6's
for some reason and I happened to have one... ref: eBay 350288944226 ... I've
bought his SS valves and Crane Cam Springs, as I want to do the head first,
then the block.
My next quest is a race cam, lifters, and push rods. TSI? Who
can help with a purchase on these? I'm shooting for stability and power, maybe
12.5 to 1 compression.    Years ago I bought a set of GT6 pistons and rods on
eBay...   they are 20 over POP UP pistons. Anybody used the pop up pistons in
a race car? I thought (sophomore thinking) that with the pop up pistons and
the PI head with the larger combustion chamber I could have the start of an
engine build... I do have several blocks laying around..  complete... looking
for some help if you guys have the time...
Merry Christmas to all....  Bobby
Whitehead 1970GT6+ DP CVAR...


From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jan  3 15:22:12 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:22:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: building a new engine
Message-ID: <121244.52986.qm@web180704.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
To: FoT Triumph <fot-request at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 7:47:18 AM
Subject: building a new engine


After another season on my GT6 I'm considering building another, or spare, racing engine for the GT6. I would say I'm rather a novice at all of the ends and outs as I know a lot of you guys and gals can talk clearances and setups in your sleep.
I have one of Kastner's books on engine preparation (the little red book) and I've read it back and forth dozens of times in the last twenty years. However, with such a build idea from the past with relations to current ideas like forged pistons, Carillo rods, ceramic coatings and the such... I'm wondering, should I spring for some of the high end stuff like pistons and rods, or would I be better off sticking to the old school methods and going forward.
Kas obviously built some of the best stuff for the time in his era, but I know a couple of fast guys in small cars are doing some high end stuff now days and it shows at the race track.
My little GT6+ has had no engine issues although my MSD died at the track this month. I was smart enough to know I'd seen someone else loose one at a meet and had a spare in my trailer, which kept me racing this past weekend. All is well with the GT6 engine, it's just starting to show a little less oil pressure. I think I've got another season on it, I hope. 
thanks FoT for the forum, 
Bobby Whitehead
DP CVAR GT6+ 


From adams910 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 16:28:38 2010
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:28:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
In-Reply-To: <000601ca8caa$e8d89f00$ba89dd00$@com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
	<3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
	<876CF187-9365-4878-9A81-EC417FDDFF65@earthlink.net>
	<8CC0E709639F5C7-18D8-1FCE3@webmail-d068.sysops.aol.com>
	<000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>
	<73EDD59F-DCEC-4E71-A627-39CF73B59E44@bnj.com>
	<7B71E089-D52B-4100-B495-DFEE51142323@me.com>
	<000601ca8caa$e8d89f00$ba89dd00$@com>
Message-ID: <673993c51001031528j17dde7a4h3e78a9227f96ee1@mail.gmail.com>

There are 3 Production classes left in SCCA, EP, FP, and HP. There are also
GT1-3 and GTL. Apparently sometime in the 80's, the then current BOD thought
it would be wise to make consolidate all the Sedan and Production classes
into Silhouette, tube based chassis cars.  I think they figured that it
would be cheaper for people to keep buying new car chassis, only to
re-engineer half the cars. For one reason or another they stopped half way
through.

Christian,

The problem is they don't. SCCA's GT and Improved Touring classes use a
formula because all cars are held to the same modification parameters. In
SCCA Production there are 3 prep levels, "Full Prep" "Limited Prep" and some
cars are a combination "f.p. chassis with l.p. motors".


Generally the older British Leyland and Italian cars are full prep
(basically do anything to the chassis but keeping the stock floor pan and
fire wall, and you can modify the motors all you want as long as you use the
stock head, block, and a specified carb/fuel injection)


 The more modern cars from the 80's and 90's are limited prep, which use
similar rules to SCCA's Improved Touring classes, but with some allowments
(chassis mods are limited to stock suspension pick up points, and motors are
restricted in porting, compression and cam lift).


Confused yet? Because it gets better.


In an interest to make cars more competitive in different production classes
due to class consolidations, some cars are allowed motor swaps. There are
also different weight penalties for different types of gear boxes used
(stock, stock with dog gears, or aftermarket trans), brakes, etc. The list
goes on.


Generally they try to class cars based on the cars performance in other
classes, and then kind of make guesses as to how fast it will be with the
allowable "production mods". They also balance the different makes and
models based on individual's own efforts.

The l.p. rule set has brought in some fresh blood to the classes, and in
particular thanks to manufacturer contingency support and marque popularity
Mazda Miata's and Honda (Integra's, CRX's, Preludes) have allowed EP and FP
large fields. HP is on the downward spiral and is suffering from a bit
talent drain right now.


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sun Jan  3 16:39:07 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:39:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fw: new member recommendation
In-Reply-To: <141542.99512.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <141542.99512.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A7334479892041C49CADFA878515D50F@your4dacd0ea75>

Sounds like David will fit in with this bunch...I'll second...WELCOME David.

Paul MacDonald

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead
Sent: January 3, 2010 5:21 PM
To: FoT Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Fw: new member recommendation

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
To:
FoT Triumph <fot-request at autox.team.net>
Cc: David Bonito
<triumphracing2 at aol.com>
Sent: Thu, December 24, 2009 4:27:53 PM
Subject: new
member recommendation


I would like to recommend a new member to FoT.

David
Bonito ///  triumphracing2 at aol.com

He has raced SCCA with his TR6, sells some
cool stuff on his website, and eBay... really knowledgable Triumph guy for
the
forum.

Yeah he's in Geooorgia and sells some really nice race prepared stuff
and seems to know a ton about the cars and race prep...


I would like to wish
all my friends, seen and un-seen , a very Merry Christmas...   we're getting
HAMMERED with snow in North Texas for Christmas Eve.. almost a little God
send
...  I needed an acknowledgement form the Big Man... as usual, He came
through...

and to all a good night....


Bobby Whitehead
1970 TRIUMPHGT6+
CVAR GP7 DP
You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com

http://www.fot-racing.com


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From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jan  3 17:00:25 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:00:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] emails and posts
Message-ID: <206738.12064.qm@web180702.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

After I figured out my FoT email address was wrong, I posted some older posts referencing David and my GT6 ( DP ) engine build...so, a belated Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all my pals on FoT!!
Racing with the Corinthian Vintage Racing group last November, I was on hand when one of my fellow racers, Herb Hilton ( Pinnacle Racing ) somehow got off track and AIRBORN upside down at least 6 feet in the air. Now, Herb, who is very very fast and well prepared in his now totaled Sprite Midget ( Spridget ) is kind of admired and looked up to in my group and club... fortunately all his safety gear worked even though he landed upside down too.
It made me acutely aware that ANY of us who race can find ourselves in a dangerous or fatal situation. When I purchased my GT6 from Bob Davis, there was the additional hardware to make the GT6 a full race cage... I know it will add weight, and I'm already struggling to squeeze 198 pounds of lean mean training machine into the GT6... but.... I think I'm going to do it.... face it... anyone of us could get sideways at any time... heck... I know I've been close in three years of racing... so, it won't make me faster but I know it will make me safer....  gonna do it before February race if I can squeeze it into my fab shop...
Be safe....  Bobby Whitehead  


From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Sun Jan  3 19:27:58 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:27:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fw: GT6 build
In-Reply-To: <85807.72382.qm@web180711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <85807.72382.qm@web180711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B41522E.4020008@cfl.rr.com>

Bobby,

Ric Cline is a GT6 engine guru. He built and raced some of the fastest 
back in the early 70's. He did the cam in the engine you run now. He can 
tell you what works and what doesn't work in a GT6 engine. He is near me 
here in Florida.

352 429 3821

Bobby Whitehead wrote:
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> From: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
> To:
> FoT Triumph <fot-request at autox.team.net>
> Cc: David Bonito
> <triumphracing2 at aol.com>
> Sent: Wed, December 23, 2009 10:44:07 AM
> Subject: GT6
> build
>
>
> putting parts together for my 'spare' engine for the race car... 
> there's a guy David Bonito ( triumphracing2 at aol.com ) I've bought some parts
> from. He's directed me towards the PI head that apparently came on a few GT6's
> for some reason and I happened to have one... ref: eBay 350288944226 ... I've
> bought his SS valves and Crane Cam Springs, as I want to do the head first,
> then the block.
> My next quest is a race cam, lifters, and push rods. TSI? Who
> can help with a purchase on these? I'm shooting for stability and power, maybe
> 12.5 to 1 compression.    Years ago I bought a set of GT6 pistons and rods on
> eBay...   they are 20 over POP UP pistons. Anybody used the pop up pistons in
> a race car? I thought (sophomore thinking) that with the pop up pistons and
> the PI head with the larger combustion chamber I could have the start of an
> engine build... I do have several blocks laying around..  complete... looking
> for some help if you guys have the time...
> Merry Christmas to all....  Bobby
> Whitehead 1970GT6+ DP CVAR...
> _______________________________________________
>
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>
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From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Mon Jan  4 03:15:55 2010
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:15:55 +1100
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
Message-ID: <CDFE9B76349C4F71BB4645DA28B5A6F8@GEOFFPC>

Amici
Does any know the correct torque for the bolts holding the 2 halves of a TR6
brake caliper
Geoff Byrne
TR6 racer down under


From robertten1 at aol.com  Mon Jan  4 06:44:19 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 08:44:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
In-Reply-To: <CDFE9B76349C4F71BB4645DA28B5A6F8@GEOFFPC>
References: <CDFE9B76349C4F71BB4645DA28B5A6F8@GEOFFPC>
Message-ID: <8CC5B5B25C9A152-5CB8-15B2C@webmail-d023.sysops.aol.com>

 Geoff,

Know anyone with a Machinist Handbook ?  Look up the bolt size and use the
recommended torque for that bolt.  That's what I went by for the calipers on
my Spitfire, since its torque is not listed in any of my repair manuals.  I
hope you used new cross-over seal before buttoning it all back together.

Best of Luck,
Bob T





-----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Byrne <gkbyrne at optushome.com.au>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:15 am
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque


Amici
Does any know the correct torque for the bolts holding the 2 halves of a TR6
brake caliper
Geoff Byrne
TR6 racer down under
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jan  4 08:23:23 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:23:23 +0100
Subject: [Fot] EP DP and so on
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1001041006220.5514@isis.mit.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu><3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
	<876CF187-9365-4878-9A81-EC417FDDFF65@earthlink.net>
	<8CC0E709639F5C7-18D8-1FCE3@webmail-d068.sysops.aol.com>
	<000001ca8c87$1771fba0$4655f2e0$@com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1001041006220.5514@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <003001ca8d51$dbf69c40$93e3d4c0$@com>

@ all

Thank you very much for the very detailed descriptions and links.
I really have now a lot more knowledge about the SCCA classes.

Here in Europe the classes are like this way.
A to H indicates the period.
Tr3 is E - before '61
TR4 is F - after '61
TR6 is G - after '65
And so on.
All period classes have rules about the modifications they can make.

Each class is separated by engine capathity and if it is a sports car, GT,
touring car, formula racer.

Quite different I would say.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Robert M. Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu]
Gesendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 16:14
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] EP DP and so on

On Sun, 3 Jan 2010, MadMarx wrote:

> I've several times seen these DP EP extension on the US car numbers.
> What does they indicate?

The answer actually depends, but in short - these are the class
designation for the car.

In road racing, the "P" stands for "production" and there is a set of
rules that defines what mods you can (and cannot) do to the car...
presently, in SCCA, there is EP, FP, GP. At one time, there was AP through
HP with the primary distinction being the displacement of the engine.

In autocross, the "P" stands for "Prepared". The rules (again) dictate
what mods are allowed and are not allowed. In SCCA presently there is XP,
CP, DP, EP, FP.

If you see a road racer with DP, it's based on the rules from back before
about 1983 when there was a big rules change. "Big" 4 cylinder Triumphs
(not Spitfire) run in EP if they have less than 2 liters displacement and
DP if they have more than 2 liters. 6 cylinder Triumphs presently run in
EP, but in the past ran CP if they were fuel injected (or with triple DCOE
Webers) and DP if they ran the twin strombergs. Spitfire runs in FP or GP
(and back in the day they also would have run in HP if they were running
the 1147 motor).

Bottom line: it's a class designation.

I hope this helps!

> Cheers
> Chris

regards,
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Mon Jan  4 08:52:15 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:52:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Last Call - FOT Sponsorship of uncle jack memorial ad in Burt
 Levy's book
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701C98@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Hi all,



This is the last call for anyone else who'd like to contribute to the
FOT's sponsorship of a memorial ad for uncle jack in Burt's next
installment of the Buddy Palumbo series.  Thanks for all of you who have
contributed to date!  With a few more bux, we'll have enough for a
1/2-page ad!



You have options as to how you can contribute if you're so inclined.
You can contact Burt by e-mail at thinkfast at mindspring.com  and let him
know how much you'd like to contribute and he'll send you a PayPal
invoice.  Or you can call him at (708) 383-7203 and he'll do the same.
Or you can send him  a check at Think Fast Ink, 1010 Lake Street, Oak
Park IL  60301.  Make sure to let him know this is part of the FOT
contribution.



Or you can send your check to me and I'll ship it to Burt with the rest.
My address is Scott Barr, 2401 East Enterprise Ave., Appleton WI
54913-7887.



Thanks!

Scott


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Mon Jan  4 09:36:36 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:36:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
Message-ID: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net>

I've been running 20-50 Brad Penn (high zinc) for the last season, but  
as I'm about to order some for the upcoming season, I'm wondering  
whether the engine really needs 20-50, as opposed to 10-40.  Used  
exclusively for racing, engine with fairly tight bearing clearances  
(when assembled).

Thoughts? 


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Jan  4 10:28:54 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:28:54 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
In-Reply-To: <8CC5B5B25C9A152-5CB8-15B2C@webmail-d023.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CDFE9B76349C4F71BB4645DA28B5A6F8@GEOFFPC>
	<8CC5B5B25C9A152-5CB8-15B2C@webmail-d023.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <6BC7D4C1-99BE-423C-BBC1-A259B11B1219@earthlink.net>

I just did this a couple weeks ago.  Pice of cake, just watch out for  
squirting brake fluid when you push the pistons in (while wiggling  
them out).  Don't ask how I know this.

Here's the link from the FOT archives with torque specs:

http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2006-04/msg00346.html

~Steve





On Jan 4, 2010, at 5:44 AM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote:

> Geoff,
>
> Know anyone with a Machinist Handbook ?  Look up the bolt size and  
> use the
> recommended torque for that bolt.  That's what I went by for the  
> calipers on
> my Spitfire, since its torque is not listed in any of my repair  
> manuals.  I
> hope you used new cross-over seal before buttoning it all back  
> together.
>
> Best of Luck,
> Bob T
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Byrne <gkbyrne at optushome.com.au>
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:15 am
> Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
>
>
> Amici
> Does any know the correct torque for the bolts holding the 2 halves  
> of a TR6
> brake caliper
> Geoff Byrne
> TR6 racer down under
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jan  4 10:47:47 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:47:47 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
In-Reply-To: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net>
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <03c601ca8d66$097873f0$1c695bd0$@com>

Take a Mobil 5w50 oil. It is doing okay.

Cheers
Chris

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Gesendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 17:37
An: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: [Fot] Oil weights?

I've been running 20-50 Brad Penn (high zinc) for the last season, but
as I'm about to order some for the upcoming season, I'm wondering
whether the engine really needs 20-50, as opposed to 10-40.  Used
exclusively for racing, engine with fairly tight bearing clearances
(when assembled).

Thoughts?
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Jan  4 11:44:46 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:44:46 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
In-Reply-To: <03c601ca8d66$097873f0$1c695bd0$@com>
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net>
	<03c601ca8d66$097873f0$1c695bd0$@com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A08002DDC9D@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

I could be wrong but I think that the 20-50W oils like Valvoline VR1 have
added the zinc back in, but formulations graded less than 20W have not. I
think that once they took the zinc out, the engines damage began to occur,
word got out and eventually sales got hurt.  Since the 20-50W oils are to be
used in late model cars that could have emissions components damaged the oil
companies probably saw the light and put the zinc back in. I'd make sure that
any 5 or 10w oil had the zinc or I'd add it. The cheap solution in VR1, as it
now costs the same as most good oils, $3.99 a quart.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of MadMarx
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:48 AM
To: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?

Take a Mobil 5w50 oil. It is doing okay.

Cheers
Chris

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Gesendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 17:37
An: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: [Fot] Oil weights?

I've been running 20-50 Brad Penn (high zinc) for the last season, but
as I'm about to order some for the upcoming season, I'm wondering
whether the engine really needs 20-50, as opposed to 10-40.  Used
exclusively for racing, engine with fairly tight bearing clearances
(when assembled).

Thoughts?
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Jan  4 11:47:21 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:47:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] O/D
In-Reply-To: <B2.4B.08392.E641C3B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
References: <B2.4B.08392.E641C3B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1001041345150.5514@isis.mit.edu>

On Wed, 30 Dec 2009, Randall wrote:

>>> But does that give you the 0.80 overdrive gear?
>>
>> NO, but a 3.45 gear in the diff does.
>
> Only if your math isn't so good.  3.45/3.70 = .93, not .80

Correct, my bad.

However, 4.10 / 3.45 is approx .84 which is very close to a 4.10 and an 
A-type O/D.

> Randall

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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Mon Jan  4 12:42:57 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:42:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
References: <CDFE9B76349C4F71BB4645DA28B5A6F8@GEOFFPC>
Message-ID: <001e01ca8d76$1e921d30$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Hi, By my notes, there could be two different sized bolts.
  7/16 bolts get torqued to 75 ft/lb and 3/8 bolts tightened to 45 ft/lb.
  Also you probably found out that the "O" ring between the halves is not in
the caliper overhaul kit and must be bought seperately. At least from my
sources.
  Also you probably know that there are two different style bolts holding
the caliper to the spindle. Both 7/16 thread but the later (metric) has a
taper in it. Gee, how do I know this?!
  Good luck; hope this makes sense.
  Bill -- Original Message -----
  From: "Geoff Byrne" <gkbyrne at optushome.com.au>
  To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:15 AM
  Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque


  > Amici
  > Does any know the correct torque for the bolts holding the 2 halves of a
TR6
  > brake caliper
  > Geoff Byrne
  > TR6 racer down under
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Jan  4 16:31:02 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:31:02 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky>

"Used exclusively for racing"? I've got one word for ya:

Synthetic.

When you get a new engine or fresh rebuild, put the "mineral oil" in for 
break-in -- at least one race session, one autocross, or a nice long dyno 
run. Then drain and replace it with the synthetic.

Is synthetic pricey? Sure. What's your engine worth?

20-50 vs. 10-40? If 20-50 is overkill, so what? But if 10-40 proves not 
enough, uh-oh! Worst-case scenario, with the heavier oil it might be hard to 
start on a cold day. With the lighter oil it might not do the job causing 
expensive repair.

BTW, if you don't already have one, put an Accusump in. Mine probably saved 
my engine when I ripped off my oil cooler last October. That worst-case 
scenario above assumes an Accusump so even with 20-50 you still have 
pressure in the engine before you start it.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:36 AM
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?


> I've been running 20-50 Brad Penn (high zinc) for the last season, but
> as I'm about to order some for the upcoming season, I'm wondering
> whether the engine really needs 20-50, as opposed to 10-40.  Used
> exclusively for racing, engine with fairly tight bearing clearances
> (when assembled).
>
> Thoughts?


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Jan  4 17:29:31 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:29:31 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
In-Reply-To: <ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky>
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net>
	<ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky>
Message-ID: <FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com>

> 20-50 vs. 10-40? If 20-50 is overkill, so what?

What about the power lost pumping that heavier oil around?  That's the whole
reason for the push to thinner oils for modern cars, they help improve fuel
mileage by reducing losses within the motor.

-- Randall  


From igofaster at att.net  Mon Jan  4 17:40:56 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:40:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] member recommendation
Message-ID: <933473.84298.qm@web180715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I recommended a member the other day, David Bonito, seems I would like to suspend my recommendation till further notice. I placed an order with him for a cam and cam bearings in December. He seemed to need a sale by the end of the year and I assumed he had the parts in stock... not so...

Bobby Whitehead
CVAR DP Group7 Triumph GT6+


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Jan  4 19:23:42 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:23:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net><ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky>
	<FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com>
Message-ID: <7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky>

Reasonable point.

Of course, a race is not an economy run so you don't really care about fuel 
mileage other than having enough to reach the checker. Power loss is another 
thing altogether. Depends on your priorities, I guess. If I had the budget 
that my primary focus was on winning, then presumably I could afford to go 
through a few engines, or rebuilds, to find the optimum oiling scheme. But 
as Clay Reggazoni said: "To win is nice; to race is enough." I just want to 
get out there, race with whomever is about my speed, and have fun driving my 
car. It's important to keep it in one piece (you get aggressive with me in a 
corner, I'll probably chicken out and let ya have it) so I can race it again 
next time.

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randall" <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
To: "''Friends of Triumph'Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?


>> 20-50 vs. 10-40? If 20-50 is overkill, so what?
>
> What about the power lost pumping that heavier oil around?  That's the 
> whole
> reason for the push to thinner oils for modern cars, they help improve 
> fuel
> mileage by reducing losses within the motor.
>
> -- Randall


From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com  Mon Jan  4 20:53:34 2010
From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:53:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC content, scale model running chevy V-8
In-Reply-To: <000b01ca8cad$f89ed4b0$e9dc7e10$@com>
References: <000b01ca8cad$f89ed4b0$e9dc7e10$@com>
Message-ID: <4B42B7BE.4080007@twcny.rr.com>

When I saw the V8 I was reminded of this Ferrari  that circulated before 
Youtube. Someone posted it on youtube. Just amazing....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxYRa0pqxlw


M


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Jan  4 21:28:44 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:28:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
In-Reply-To: <7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky>
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net><ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky><FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com>
	<7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky>
Message-ID: <4510F5742CAD475A87E816405D452EE1@hal9000>

I thought true synthetics we
bad for our Flat Tappet Motors
? 
Jim G

-----Original Message-----
From:
fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team
.net] On Behalf Of Rocky
Entriken
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010
7:24 PM
To: Randall; ''Friends of
Triumph'Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil
weights?

Reasonable point.

Of course, a race is not an
economy run so you don't
really care about fuel 
mileage other than having
enough to reach the checker.
Power loss is another 
thing altogether. Depends on
your priorities, I guess. If I
had the budget 
that my primary focus was on
winning, then presumably I
could afford to go 
through a few engines, or
rebuilds, to find the optimum
oiling scheme. But 
as Clay Reggazoni said: "To
win is nice; to race is
enough." I just want to 
get out there, race with
whomever is about my speed,
and have fun driving my 
car. It's important to keep it
in one piece (you get
aggressive with me in a 
corner, I'll probably chicken
out and let ya have it) so I
can race it again 
next time.

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randall"
<tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
To: "''Friends of
Triumph'Triumph'"
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010
6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil
weights?


>> 20-50 vs. 10-40? If 20-50
is overkill, so what?
>
> What about the power lost
pumping that heavier oil
around?  That's the 
> whole
> reason for the push to
thinner oils for modern cars,
they help improve 
> fuel
> mileage by reducing losses
within the motor.
>
> -- Randall
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon Jan  4 21:45:59 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:45:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
In-Reply-To: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net><ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky><FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com>
	<7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky>
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net><ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky><FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com>
	<7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS28A31757C5C7482BBCC3AC3730@phx.gbl>

This is just my opinion, but unless you are going for an SCCA National
Championship, and running 15 races a year, and are touching up the valves
after every event, and pulling the crank every other event, you won't even
notice the difference in performance between the 10w-40 and 20w-50.  Go with
the extra protection and longevity and be happy.  There are better ways to
shave .001 second a lap.

Terry Stetler


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Mon Jan  4 23:05:54 2010
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 00:05:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A08002DDC9D@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca8dcd$243e8690$6401a8c0@blake1>

>From the data available on the Valvoline website, there does not appear
to be a difference in zinc and phosphorus content between grades of the
VR1 SM oil.  All are listed at 0.14/0.13 (don't know the units). Follow
this link for a product data sheet.

http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/VR-1_Racing_Motor_Oil.pdf

I could not find the same level of detail on their synthetic racing oil.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Kramer, Robert
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:45 PM
To: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?

I could be wrong but I think that the 20-50W oils like Valvoline VR1
have
added the zinc back in, but formulations graded less than 20W have not.
I
think that once they took the zinc out, the engines damage began to
occur,
word got out and eventually sales got hurt.  Since the 20-50W oils are
to be
used in late model cars that could have emissions components damaged the
oil
companies probably saw the light and put the zinc back in. I'd make sure
that
any 5 or 10w oil had the zinc or I'd add it. The cheap solution in VR1,
as it
now costs the same as most good oils, $3.99 a quart.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf
Of MadMarx
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:48 AM
To: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?

Take a Mobil 5w50 oil. It is doing okay.

Cheers
Chris

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Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Scott Janzen
Gesendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 17:37
An: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: [Fot] Oil weights?

I've been running 20-50 Brad Penn (high zinc) for the last season, but
as I'm about to order some for the upcoming season, I'm wondering
whether the engine really needs 20-50, as opposed to 10-40.  Used
exclusively for racing, engine with fairly tight bearing clearances
(when assembled).

Thoughts?
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Jan  5 07:51:00 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:51:00 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
References: <000001ca8dcd$243e8690$6401a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <49C799D330E8436EA306F9B0747D01B1@latitudefb1e41>

I compared that to what is listed at the Brad Penn site. They have .15 zinc, 
.14 phosphorus in all but the 0W-30. The VR1 is .14 zinc and.13 phosphorus 
for all viscocities. I think both these numbers are good enough for flat 
tappet cam use and for the difference in price and ease of purchase I'll 
stick with the VR1.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?


> >From the data available on the Valvoline website, there does not appear
> to be a difference in zinc and phosphorus content between grades of the
> VR1 SM oil.  All are listed at 0.14/0.13 (don't know the units). Follow
> this link for a product data sheet.
>
> http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/VR-1_Racing_Motor_Oil.pdf
>
> I could not find the same level of detail on their synthetic racing oil.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Kramer, Robert
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:45 PM
> To: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?
>
> I could be wrong but I think that the 20-50W oils like Valvoline VR1
> have
> added the zinc back in, but formulations graded less than 20W have not.
> I
> think that once they took the zinc out, the engines damage began to
> occur,
> word got out and eventually sales got hurt.  Since the 20-50W oils are
> to be
> used in late model cars that could have emissions components damaged the
> oil
> companies probably saw the light and put the zinc back in. I'd make sure
> that
> any 5 or 10w oil had the zinc or I'd add it. The cheap solution in VR1,
> as it
> now costs the same as most good oils, $3.99 a quart.
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sales Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35
> Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-272-4141
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf
> Of MadMarx
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:48 AM
> To: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?
>
> Take a Mobil 5w50 oil. It is doing okay.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Scott Janzen
> Gesendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 17:37
> An: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
> Betreff: [Fot] Oil weights?
>
> I've been running 20-50 Brad Penn (high zinc) for the last season, but
> as I'm about to order some for the upcoming season, I'm wondering
> whether the engine really needs 20-50, as opposed to 10-40.  Used
> exclusively for racing, engine with fairly tight bearing clearances
> (when assembled).
>
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Tue Jan  5 14:10:03 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:10:03 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net><ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky><FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com>
	<7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky>
	<4510F5742CAD475A87E816405D452EE1@hal9000>
Message-ID: <CFEF2544FAC4456F923E8737B40C286D@rocky>

I've not heard that. My engine builder (who's also a Spitfire racer) swears 
by the synthetic. He's who got me on it. I was using Valvoline Racing 
(mineral), then DuraBlend. He got me to full synthetic. But I still have 
Valvoline Racing on the shelf for break-ins.

--rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Gray" <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: "'Rocky Entriken'" <rocky at spitfire4.com>; "'Randall'" 
<tr3driver at ca.rr.com>; "''Friends of Triumph'Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:28 PM
Subject: RE: [Fot] Oil weights?


>I thought true synthetics we
> bad for our Flat Tappet Motors
> ?
> Jim G
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team
> .net] On Behalf Of Rocky
> Entriken
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010
> 7:24 PM
> To: Randall; ''Friends of
> Triumph'Triumph'
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil
> weights?
>
> Reasonable point.
>
> Of course, a race is not an
> economy run so you don't
> really care about fuel
> mileage other than having
> enough to reach the checker.
> Power loss is another
> thing altogether. Depends on
> your priorities, I guess. If I
> had the budget
> that my primary focus was on
> winning, then presumably I
> could afford to go
> through a few engines, or
> rebuilds, to find the optimum
> oiling scheme. But
> as Clay Reggazoni said: "To
> win is nice; to race is
> enough." I just want to
> get out there, race with
> whomever is about my speed,
> and have fun driving my
> car. It's important to keep it
> in one piece (you get
> aggressive with me in a
> corner, I'll probably chicken
> out and let ya have it) so I
> can race it again
> next time.
>
> --Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Randall"
> <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
> To: "''Friends of
> Triumph'Triumph'"
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010
> 6:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil
> weights?
>
>
>>> 20-50 vs. 10-40? If 20-50
> is overkill, so what?
>>
>> What about the power lost
> pumping that heavier oil
> around?  That's the
>> whole
>> reason for the push to
> thinner oils for modern cars,
> they help improve
>> fuel
>> mileage by reducing losses
> within the motor.
>>
>> -- Randall
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From tarch at bellsouth.net  Tue Jan  5 15:03:02 2010
From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:03:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Orange Bowl
In-Reply-To: <CFEF2544FAC4456F923E8737B40C286D@rocky>
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net><ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky><FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com><7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky><4510F5742CAD475A87E816405D452EE1@hal9000>
	<CFEF2544FAC4456F923E8737B40C286D@rocky>
Message-ID: <EA2392AE423F40E88E76A1A0130E0259@richardiipc>

Joe A. and all the rest of you frozen yahoos out there in Iowa, watch out
for the sting of my Yellow Jackets tonight!


From riverside at southslope.net  Tue Jan  5 16:31:53 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:31:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Orange Bowl
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net><ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky><FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com><7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky><4510F5742CAD475A87E816405D452EE1@hal9000><CFEF2544FAC4456F923E8737B40C286D@rocky>
	<EA2392AE423F40E88E76A1A0130E0259@richardiipc>
Message-ID: <004d01ca8e5f$43707040$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

We'll be seeing about that!!

art d

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To: "''Friends of Triumph'Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:03 PM
Subject: [Fot] Orange Bowl


> Joe A. and all the rest of you frozen yahoos out there in Iowa, watch out
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jan  5 18:17:00 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:17:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] A bit before my time
Message-ID: <4B43E48C.70808@bradakis.com>

So for reasons I won't go into at the moment, but you'll likely
hear about them soon, I'm cleaning up a bunch of stuff in storage
and the shop.  One dusty old box is filled with vintage spark
plugs, Blue Crown brand.

I found an interesting slip of paper packed in one of the boxes.
On many occasions I feel old, but I think this predates me:

http://bradakis.com/Images/war_order.jpg


mjb.


From tlizzard at msn.com  Tue Jan  5 19:36:45 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:36:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A bit before my time
In-Reply-To: <4B43E48C.70808@bradakis.com>
References: <4B43E48C.70808@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS220DEFEF4287AB5711844C3720@phx.gbl>

Blue Crown Spark Plugs were made in my home town of Defiance, Ohio.

They sponsored/equipped multiple Indy 500 winners.

They were very good plugs in the day.

Terry Stetler.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Mark J Bradakis<mailto:mark at bradakis.com>
  To: 'Friends of Triumph'<mailto:fot at autox.team.net> ;
Vintage-race at autox.team.net<mailto:Vintage-race at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:17 PM
  Subject: [Fot] A bit before my time


  So for reasons I won't go into at the moment, but you'll likely
  hear about them soon, I'm cleaning up a bunch of stuff in storage
  and the shop.  One dusty old box is filled with vintage spark
  plugs, Blue Crown brand.

  I found an interesting slip of paper packed in one of the boxes.
  On many occasions I feel old, but I think this predates me:

  http://bradakis.com/Images/war_order.jpg<http://bradakis.com/Images/war_ord
er.jpg>


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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Tue Jan  5 19:36:05 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 02:36:05 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
Message-ID: <20100105.213605.20553.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com>

Synthetics like Mobil 1 don't have the zinc and phosphorus needed for the flat
tappets.  I ran Mobil 1 at one time and did have some cam wear.   I know
others on the list are using Mobil 1.  At one point Chevy was not warrantying
some motors if Mobil 1 was used.  I changed to Redline for a couple of years
and now am using Joe Gibbs.  The Joe Gibbs is made specifically for flat
tappet motors.  The viscosity to use is based on bearing clearances.  The Joe
Gibbs oil is expensive (about $10-$12/quart), but so is a new cam or engine.
I also use the Brad Penn break in oil when breaking in new motors.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jim Gray" <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: "'Rocky Entriken'" <rocky at spitfire4.com>, "'Randall'"
<tr3driver at ca.rr.com>, "''Friends of Triumph'Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:28:44 -0700

I thought true synthetics we
bad for our Flat Tappet Motors
?
Jim G


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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jan  5 19:51:21 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:51:21 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
In-Reply-To: <CFEF2544FAC4456F923E8737B40C286D@rocky>
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net>
	<ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky>
	<FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com>
	<7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky>
	<4510F5742CAD475A87E816405D452EE1@hal9000>
	<CFEF2544FAC4456F923E8737B40C286D@rocky>
Message-ID: <20100106025133.48132187683@autox.team.net>

Valvoline VR1 Synthetic Racing Oil has plenty of the ZDDP stuff for 
flat tappet engines.  I can't locate the spec sheet at the moment, 
but the blurb from their website says:
"High zinc/phosphorus for extreme anti-wear, including flat tappets"

I use the Dino juice version of the VR1 for breakin and then the 
synthetic version for racing.  Bearings and cam have looked perfect 
with that combination.

My understanding is that the Mobil 1 synthetic sold in the USA 
followed the EPA recommendations and reduced  their  ZDDP content, 
killing some race motors and giving synthetic a bad name.

Brad Penn, Redline and Joe Gibbs oils have plenty of ZDDP too - and 
are more expensive than Valvoline.

- Tony Drews

At 03:10 PM 1/5/2010, Rocky Entriken wrote:
>I've not heard that. My engine builder (who's also a Spitfire racer) 
>swears by the synthetic. He's who got me on it. I was using 
>Valvoline Racing (mineral), then DuraBlend. He got me to full 
>synthetic. But I still have Valvoline Racing on the shelf for break-ins.
>
>--rocky
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gray" <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
>To: "'Rocky Entriken'" <rocky at spitfire4.com>; "'Randall'" 
><tr3driver at ca.rr.com>; "''Friends of Triumph'Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:28 PM
>Subject: RE: [Fot] Oil weights?
>
>
>>I thought true synthetics we
>>bad for our Flat Tappet Motors
>>?
>>Jim G
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:
>>fot-bounces at autox.team.net
>>[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team
>> > .net] On Behalf Of Rocky
>>Entriken
>>Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010
>>7:24 PM
>>To: Randall; ''Friends of
>>Triumph'Triumph'
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil
>>weights?
>>
>>Reasonable point.
>>
>>Of course, a race is not an
>>economy run so you don't
>>really care about fuel
>>mileage other than having
>>enough to reach the checker.
>>Power loss is another
>>thing altogether. Depends on
>>your priorities, I guess. If I
>>had the budget
>>that my primary focus was on
>>winning, then presumably I
>>could afford to go
>>through a few engines, or
>>rebuilds, to find the optimum
>>oiling scheme. But
>>as Clay Reggazoni said: "To
>>win is nice; to race is
>>enough." I just want to
>>get out there, race with
>>whomever is about my speed,
>>and have fun driving my
>>car. It's important to keep it
>>in one piece (you get
>>aggressive with me in a
>>corner, I'll probably chicken
>>out and let ya have it) so I
>>can race it again
>>next time.
>>
>>--Rocky
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall"
>><tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
>>To: "''Friends of
>>Triumph'Triumph'"
>><fot at autox.team.net>
>>Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010
>>6:29 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil
>>weights?
>>
>>
>>>>20-50 vs. 10-40? If 20-50
>>is overkill, so what?
>>>
>>>What about the power lost
>>pumping that heavier oil
>>around?  That's the
>>>whole
>>>reason for the push to
>>thinner oils for modern cars,
>>they help improve
>>>fuel
>>>mileage by reducing losses
>>within the motor.
>>>
>>>-- Randall
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From kaskas at cox.net  Fri Jan  1 14:00:44 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 13:00:44 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery
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Way back in the beginning of the TR-2 there was along extension onto the 
radiator.  It proved to not work too well as this vibrated and cracked at 
the radiator tank (my car 1954) and all the water fell out on the ground. 
Maybe work and last better if you plan a support.

In all my cars on the 1958-1972 era of Triumphs I had no header tank, filled 
the system through the heater hose connection at the back of the head from a 
tall filler funnel (about a foot high) and kept the petcock on the thermo 
housing open until water shot out, closed the petcock, then quickly pull out 
the funnel and replaced the plug.  this eliminated all air in the system 
which is paramount.Never lost any water expect when a head gasket was blown 
and nothing would have helped that condition.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Vucinic" <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
To: "'Henry Frye'" <henry at henryfrye.com>
Cc: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery


> Henry,
>
> Happy New Year to you also!
>
>
>
> I have a very similar system to yourself as you described. I too fitted a
> bleed port on the thermostat housing to minimize air in the system. I am
> sort of wondering now why no one has looked at designing an extended 
> filler
> neck arrangement to replace the thermostat housing? Maybe this will fix 
> the
> 2 glaring issue with the current stock setup of too low a fill point and 
> air
> bleeding? I started thinking about this option today when I sat down and
> looked at all the components etc. I would need to fit a recovery system.
> Maybe the filler neck will do the job nicely and save allot of plumbing!
>
>
>
> Cheers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Henry Frye [mailto:henry at henryfrye.com]
> Sent: Friday, 1 January 2010 9:06 PM
> To: Peter Vucinic
> Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery
>
>
>
> Peter,
>
> I don't think there is a concensus on coolant system plumbing. I have seen
> successful installations that range from what appears to be quite stock to
> much more radical approaches than you are describing.
>
> I guess it all depends on how much power you are making and how hard you
> drive it.
>
> I make as much power as the rest of the fast TR's in the east and mid-west
> USA, and drive very hard. Fastest and first in class TR4 at the Kastner 
> Cup
> race in 2008 at Watkins Glen. Here's what I do...
>
> I block off water passages in the front of the head to direct more flow to
> the back of the block, run an oversized radiator with a stock recovery
> overflow bottle, a 16 pound radiator cap, no expansion tank and have plugs
> in the heater box tap and heater pipe outlet in the water pump. I 
> installed
> a petcock in the thermostat housing to purge air from the system when
> filling, and run a 185 degree thermostat to keep enough heat in the engine
> no matter what season I am racing in. Works great.
>
> I know it's old news for you guys down under, but Happy New Year!
>
> Henry Frye  -  Sent from Phone
> Triumph Technology Consultants
> 860.508.3118 (C) - 860.653.3118 (O)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Vucinic <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 6:01 AM
> To: FOT at autox.team.net <FOT at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery
>
> Lister's,
>
>
>
> I believe that we have already seen a few threads on this subject. But I 
> am
> seeking general consensus on the plumbing/routing of coolant lines to and
> from a coolant system recovery/expansion tank/bottle for the TR4.
>
>
>
> Obviously I am making the following assumptions: -
>
> 1.    Expansion/recovery tank will be mounted higher than the cylinder 
> head.
> Say, on the firewall next to the battery
>
> 2.    Existing Radiator cap to be of the fixed/closed type
>
> 3.    Coolant system over pressure will now be controlled by radiator cap
> fitted to expansion/recovery tank
>
> 4.    Coolant total loss will now occur at the expansion tank due to over
> pressure
>
>
>
> My questions are: -
>
> 1.    Are any of you already running a system such as the above? 
> Successful
> in controlling air into the coolant circuit/system?
>
> 2.    Where is the most appropriate connection to the coolant expansion
> recovery tank made? E.g. At the heater tap port and the back of the water
> pump? Thermostat housing? Radiator top hose/port?
>
> 3.    Do you have an air bleed orifice/port in this cooling circuit/system
> as well?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Jan  5 21:08:36 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:08:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Jeff Gordon fires entire pit crew!
Message-ID: <B761EA47824C48359A8DE2127113D991@hal9000>

In this morning's  news, Jeff
Gordon fires entire pit crew! 

 

This announcement followed
Gordon's  decision to take
advantage of President Obama's
proposal to employ Harlem
youngsters. 

 

The decision to hire them was
brought about by a recent
documentary on how unemployed
youths from Harlem  were able
to remove a set of wheels in
less than 6 seconds without
proper  equipment, whereas
Gordon's existing crew could
only do it in 8 seconds with
thousands of dollars worth of
high tech  equipment. 

 

It was thought to be an
excellent  and bold move by
Gordon's management team as
most races are won or lost in
the  pits. 

 

At the crew's first practice
session, not only was the
inexperienced crew able to
change all 4 wheels in  under
6 seconds, but within 12
seconds they had changed the
paint scheme,  altered the VIN
number, and sold the car to
Dale Jr. for 10 cases of Bud,
a  bag of weed and some photos
of Jeff Gordon's wife in the
shower.


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jan  6 01:11:07 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:11:07 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil weights?
In-Reply-To: <20100105.213605.20553.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com>
References: <20100105.213605.20553.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca8ea7$cf4a34f0$6dde9ed0$@com>

I know that I'm boring you all with telling you again that flat grinding of
my tappets did cure all cam trouble I had before regardless what oil is
used.
All tappets rotate nicely, have an even contact face and the lobes do show
an very even and smooth surface.
The flat tappets because of their flat surface use the whole lobe width
while crowned tappets only have a very thin contact patch.
Even modern cars like a BMW do have dead flat shims on their cams that do
work fine and have no wear.

I really recommend you to use dead flat tappets and you will find that all
trouble with wear will disappear.

If you like I can post photos of my current tappets that have run two racing
seasons and about 3000 mls everyday traffic.

A history note:
I bought a 310 degree cam in year 2007 and installed it with new tappets in
year 2008. After the first race the head gasket went away and I had to open
the engine again. I had a look on the tappets and found 3 of them with
pitting and lobe #7 had a little damage on its tip. The correspond tappet
was scrapped. Then I took all the tappets to the machine shop and ground the
flat, installed them again and since then they are in use and even lobe #7
has no further damage an remains in the same condition as it was. For me a
clear sign that the way with the domed tappets is a dead end for our
engines. The symptom might be cured by the zinc contained in oil but ask
yourself:
Why did a Triumph camshaft last maybe 30 year and modern cams fail after a
short usage, readable in several Triumph forums. I have NOS lifters and they
ARE flat. Why not using them as they came from the factory?

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Joe Boruch
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Januar 2010 03:36
An: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Cc: tr3driver at ca.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?

Synthetics like Mobil 1 don't have the zinc and phosphorus needed for the
flat
tappets.  I ran Mobil 1 at one time and did have some cam wear.   I know
others on the list are using Mobil 1.  At one point Chevy was not
warrantying
some motors if Mobil 1 was used.  I changed to Redline for a couple of years
and now am using Joe Gibbs.  The Joe Gibbs is made specifically for flat
tappet motors.  The viscosity to use is based on bearing clearances.  The
Joe
Gibbs oil is expensive (about $10-$12/quart), but so is a new cam or engine.
I also use the Brad Penn break in oil when breaking in new motors.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jim Gray" <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: "'Rocky Entriken'" <rocky at spitfire4.com>, "'Randall'"
<tr3driver at ca.rr.com>, "''Friends of Triumph'Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil weights?
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:28:44 -0700

I thought true synthetics we
bad for our Flat Tappet Motors
?
Jim G


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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jan  6 03:02:32 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:02:32 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
In-Reply-To: <CDFE9B76349C4F71BB4645DA28B5A6F8@GEOFFPC>
References: <CDFE9B76349C4F71BB4645DA28B5A6F8@GEOFFPC>
Message-ID: <038a01ca8eb7$5e3ff690$1abfe3b0$@com>

>From Buckeyes Triumph:
Girling "split" calipers should not be separated for any reason.  They were
not designed for separation and reassembly and proper torque specifications
are not known, other than the inner and out bolts are torqued differently.
The inside bolts are 7/16" diameter and the outside bolts are 3/8" diameter.

I torqued the outside 3/8" bolts to 40 ft-lbs and the inside 7/16" bolts to
70 ft-lbs.


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Gesendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 11:16
An: FOT
Betreff: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque

Amici
Does any know the correct torque for the bolts holding the 2 halves of a TR6
brake caliper
Geoff Byrne
TR6 racer down under
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Jan  6 06:21:53 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:21:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
In-Reply-To: <038a01ca8eb7$5e3ff690$1abfe3b0$@com>
References: <CDFE9B76349C4F71BB4645DA28B5A6F8@GEOFFPC>
	<038a01ca8eb7$5e3ff690$1abfe3b0$@com>
Message-ID: <8CC5CEA58D3711E-3298-1B44@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com>

I  surmise from my own factory/corporate background that TORQUE SPECS and
Replacement Seals were not readily available to the general public because of
liability issues with critical components.




-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, Jan 6, 2010 4:02 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque


>From Buckeyes Triumph:
irling "split" calipers should not be separated for any reason.  They were
ot designed for separation and reassembly and proper torque specifications
re not known, other than the inner and out bolts are torqued differently.
he inside bolts are 7/16" diameter and the outside bolts are 3/8" diameter.
I torqued the outside 3/8" bolts to 40 ft-lbs and the inside 7/16" bolts to
0 ft-lbs.

----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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uftrag von Geoff Byrne
esendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 11:16
n: FOT
etreff: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
Amici
oes any know the correct torque for the bolts holding the 2 halves of a TR6
rake caliper
eoff Byrne
R6 racer down under
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Wed Jan  6 07:26:13 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 08:26:13 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
References: <CDFE9B76349C4F71BB4645DA28B5A6F8@GEOFFPC><038a01ca8eb7$5e3ff690$1abfe3b0$@com>
	<8CC5CEA58D3711E-3298-1B44@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <89157E82D6E648188F33B730F2FA68F5@latitudefb1e41>

In case anyone doesn't know it the caliper split seals are sold by BPNW.

Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
excellence.
Vince Lombardi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque


>I  surmise from my own factory/corporate background that TORQUE SPECS and
> Replacement Seals were not readily available to the general public because 
> of
> liability issues with critical components.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wed, Jan 6, 2010 4:02 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
>
>
>>From Buckeyes Triumph:
> irling "split" calipers should not be separated for any reason.  They were
> ot designed for separation and reassembly and proper torque specifications
> re not known, other than the inner and out bolts are torqued differently.
> he inside bolts are 7/16" diameter and the outside bolts are 3/8" 
> diameter.
> I torqued the outside 3/8" bolts to 40 ft-lbs and the inside 7/16" bolts 
> to
> 0 ft-lbs.
>
> ----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> on: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> uftrag von Geoff Byrne
> esendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 11:16
> n: FOT
> etreff: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
> Amici
> oes any know the correct torque for the bolts holding the 2 halves of a 
> TR6
> rake caliper
> eoff Byrne
> R6 racer down under
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Jan  6 07:53:32 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:53:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Orange Bowl
In-Reply-To: <EA2392AE423F40E88E76A1A0130E0259@richardiipc>
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net><ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky><FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com><7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky><4510F5742CAD475A87E816405D452EE1@hal9000><CFEF2544FAC4456F923E8737B40C286D@rocky>
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Message-ID: <8CC5CF72678987D-2F9C-322F@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com>

i dont know about no stinkin' yellow jackets, but this yahoo is basking in the
relative warmth of NYC at 35 degrees.





-----Original Message-----
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To: ''Friends of Triumph'Triumph' <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:03 pm
Subject: [Fot] Orange Bowl


Joe A. and all the rest of you frozen yahoos out there in Iowa, watch out
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 09:04:44 2010
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:04:44 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Limited slip diff group buy
Message-ID: <4B44B49C.1010706@gmail.com>

I'm writing this for Ken Galanders of British Frame & engine ( 
www.britishframeandengine.com ) as his computer has been acting up recently.

Ken wants to know if there is enough interest in a group purchase of 
limited slip differentials to get a quantity discount. Please email him 
directly ( bfeken at copper.net ) if you are interested in a January 
purchase and are willing to put an estimated 50% down on a preorder.

-------
The patent for the highly regarded Salisbury limited slip differential 
has expired and a company called TRAN-X has taken the Salisbury design, 
improved upon it and is offering new higher quality limited slips for 
less than the older Salisbury's sold for.  We are talking about a better 
diff for less money.

from their web site:  "Manufactured and built by Tran-X the Salisbury 
English LSD has been used in every form of Motorsport over the years. 
FIA approved this is arguably the most popular differential in 
Motorsport over the last 20 years and its versatile appeal means we can 
set your LSD up to suit your application perfectly.

We have further improved the design by eliminating the need for cross 
pins, which can be damaged if a half shaft fails inflicting major damage 
to the entire LSD. This new design allows the planet gears to actually 
run in ramp angle block meaning the LSD performs to the same high level 
but removes the need for costly rebuilds if a half shaft fails."

If you are seriously interested in a high quality limited slip at a good 
price, please contact Ken directly bfeken at copper.net

Teriann


From tedtsimx at bright.net  Wed Jan  6 09:25:55 2010
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:25:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
In-Reply-To: <89157E82D6E648188F33B730F2FA68F5@latitudefb1e41>
References: <CDFE9B76349C4F71BB4645DA28B5A6F8@GEOFFPC><038a01ca8eb7$5e3ff690$1abfe3b0$@com>
	<8CC5CEA58D3711E-3298-1B44@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com>
	<89157E82D6E648188F33B730F2FA68F5@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <4B44B993.40607@bright.net>

We also sell caliper seals. but for $69.95 each (exchange) we have 
rebuilt calipers. Done by a professional rebuild shop with warranty. Ted


Bob Kramer wrote:
> In case anyone doesn't know it the caliper split seals are sold by BPNW.
>
> Bob Kramer
> Volente, TX
>
> Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
> excellence.
> Vince Lombardi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> To: <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
>
>
>> I  surmise from my own factory/corporate background that TORQUE SPECS 
>> and
>> Replacement Seals were not readily available to the general public 
>> because of
>> liability issues with critical components.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Sent: Wed, Jan 6, 2010 4:02 am
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
>>
>>
>>> From Buckeyes Triumph:
>> irling "split" calipers should not be separated for any reason.  They 
>> were
>> ot designed for separation and reassembly and proper torque 
>> specifications
>> re not known, other than the inner and out bolts are torqued 
>> differently.
>> he inside bolts are 7/16" diameter and the outside bolts are 3/8" 
>> diameter.
>> I torqued the outside 3/8" bolts to 40 ft-lbs and the inside 7/16" 
>> bolts to
>> 0 ft-lbs.
>>
>> ----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>> on: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>> uftrag von Geoff Byrne
>> esendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 11:16
>> n: FOT
>> etreff: [Fot] Caliper Bolt Torque
>> Amici
>> oes any know the correct torque for the bolts holding the 2 halves of 
>> a TR6
>> rake caliper
>> eoff Byrne
>> R6 racer down under
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Wed Jan  6 10:06:44 2010
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:06:44 -0800
Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water
Message-ID: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>

So you remember they guy that drove his Bugatti in the water, here's the
action video.
Charly Mitchel


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaHi7WSc_po&feature=player_embedded


From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Jan  6 10:19:09 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:19:09 EST
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery
Message-ID: <bc5.5f4422b6.3876200d@aol.com>

In a message dated 01/05/2010 9:46:32 PM Central Standard Time, 
kaskas at cox.net writes:


> In all my cars on the 1958-1972 era of Triumphs I had no header tank, 
> filled 
> the system through the heater hose connection at the back of the head from 
> a 
> tall filler funnel (about a foot high) and kept the petcock on the thermo 
> housing open until water shot out, closed the petcock, then quickly pull 
> out 
> the funnel and replaced the plug.  this eliminated all air in the system 
> which is paramount.Never lost any water expect when a head gasket was 
> blown 
> and nothing would have helped that condition.
> 

Kas...

Seems to me I recall you saying that, in fact, this was something important 
enough that you did personally.

Bill Dentinger


From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Jan  6 11:47:52 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:47:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water
In-Reply-To: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>
References: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>
Message-ID: <6EAA3486673A4F8D959CB24BA9FB6948@joepentiumnew>

Word is, the guy was drunk when he bought the Bugatti and thought he was
getting this:

http://www.huliq.com/50690/rinspeed-creates-underwater-scuba-car

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:07 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water

So you remember they guy that drove his Bugatti in the water, here's the
action video.
Charly Mitchel


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From riverside at southslope.net  Wed Jan  6 12:02:26 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:02:26 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Orange Bowl
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net><ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky><FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com><7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky><4510F5742CAD475A87E816405D452EE1@hal9000><CFEF2544FAC4456F923E8737B40C286D@rocky>
	<EA2392AE423F40E88E76A1A0130E0259@richardiipc>
Message-ID: <001001ca8f02$c98d07d0$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

How 'bout them Hawks!!!


art d
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To: "''Friends of Triumph'Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:03 PM
Subject: [Fot] Orange Bowl


> Joe A. and all the rest of you frozen yahoos out there in Iowa, watch out
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From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jan  6 12:23:50 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:23:50 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery
In-Reply-To: <bc5.5f4422b6.3876200d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100106142350.WYIIK.80989.imail@fed1rmwml28>

Yes, In allmy cars after each session, I owuld check the valve lash and the timing and make whatever mixture change was needed by plug reading.  The coolling system on every one of my cars was filled my ME. Nothing against the guys but if something failed I then at least knew who the lazy culpret was.
--
Never be beaten by equipment


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jan  6 13:14:03 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:14:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water
In-Reply-To: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>
References: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>
Message-ID: <0E10A45B03F344F8A74B1991B6922FB9@hal9000>

He thought that cruise control
meant auto-pilot
Jim G

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team
.net] On Behalf Of Charly
Mitchel
Sent: Wednesday, January 06,
2010 10:07 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] YouTube -
bugatti veyron water

So you remember they guy that
drove his Bugatti in the
water, here's the
action video.
Charly Mitchel


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
=OaHi7WSc_po&feature=player_em
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Wed Jan  6 15:58:50 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:58:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water
In-Reply-To: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>
References: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS98F00896561CC99250738C3720@phx.gbl>

In the immortal words of Bugs Bunny...

What a Maroon.


Terry Stetler


  ----- Original Message -----
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  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 12:06 PM
  Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water


  So you remember they guy that drove his Bugatti in the water, here's the
  action video.
  Charly Mitchel


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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Wed Jan  6 16:49:32 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:49:32 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Orange Bowl
References: <938A2AE9-3D08-4DA9-8F84-13E067962E68@comcast.net><ECD85354C4D6409BB7237BB6C3578297@rocky><FE5D08DB1D314DAC8B57752276221085@jdnet.deere.com><7875387713224128AD9FA78E52A7903E@rocky><4510F5742CAD475A87E816405D452EE1@hal9000><CFEF2544FAC4456F923E8737B40C286D@rocky><EA2392AE423F40E88E76A1A0130E0259@richardiipc>
	<001001ca8f02$c98d07d0$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <9B4215D2641A4A6A8102A14FB5113C8E@rocky>

Rock Chalk, Jayhawk!

#1

Cornell goes down tonight.

--Rocky E


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "riverside" <riverside at southslope.net>
To: "Richard Taylor" <tarch at bellsouth.net>; "''Friends ofTriumph'Triumph'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Orange Bowl


> How 'bout them Hawks!!!
>
>
> art d
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> To: "''Friends of Triumph'Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:03 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Orange Bowl
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Wed Jan  6 17:40:32 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:40:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water
References: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>
	<BAY116-DS98F00896561CC99250738C3720@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00b101ca8f32$05500ef0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Or my favorite: Moe-Ron.
  Think Struther Martin in Butch Cassidy. "Moe-rons, I got Moe-rons on my
team."
  Armpit deep in snow here.
  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: "Terry Stetler" <tlizzard at msn.com>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water


  > In the immortal words of Bugs Bunny...
  >
  > What a Maroon.
  >
  >
  > Terry Stetler
  >
  >
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: Charly Mitchel<mailto:charly at mitchelplumbing.com>
  >   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  >   Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 12:06 PM
  >   Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water
  >
  >
  >   So you remember they guy that drove his Bugatti in the water, here's
the
  >   action video.
  >   Charly Mitchel
  >
  >
  >
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From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Jan  6 18:53:38 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 18:53:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water
In-Reply-To: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>
References: <95BFD11F277E4D5EA7DA4470A4DB8F71@Charly>
Message-ID: <F44D554BFF6E4970B7C705EB1CC1B889@joepentiumnew>

Word is, the guy was drunk when he bought the Bugatti and thought he was
getting this:

http://www.huliq.com/50690/rinspeed-creates-underwater-scuba-car

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Charly Mitchel
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:07 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron water

So you remember they guy that drove his Bugatti in the water, here's the
action video.
Charly Mitchel


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From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Jan  6 18:54:49 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 18:54:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Recall:  YouTube - bugatti veyron water
Message-ID: <!&!GAAAAAAAAAATjSOzR9rvRazOy/ECJgo3woAAABgAAAAAAAAAE40js0fa70WszsvxAiYKN+RYOwAAAAAAEAAAAGncEVg3nxFDnCh6jGnAUhMpAAAAUkU6IFtGb3RdIFlvdVR1YmUgLSBidWdhdHRpIHZleXJvbiB3YXRlcgA=@cox.net>

Joe Curry would like to recall the message, "[Fot] YouTube - bugatti veyron
water".

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From robertten1 at aol.com  Wed Jan  6 22:12:18 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:12:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] ref:  Oil
Message-ID: <8CC5D6F1E8B3DAC-53B8-1082E@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com>

 Ihave been using Mobil1  15-50 Full Synthetic in my autocrosser with
nocomplaints.  Admittedly the engine doesn't see the use as much as youracers
but have seen a rev difference compared to the Valvolineblended.  In the ten
years of use, yes its time for a freshening up, Ihave found my valve
clearances have not opened up and everything underthe rocker cover is clean
and tidy.

So with all this chatter about the zinc and phosphates needed for ourolder
flat tappet engines I looked up the Mobil 1 Oil website to seewhats up with my
chosen oil.  The info there says the Full SyntheticMobil 1 has the additives
required for flat tappet cams.  Their FullSynthetic Mobil 1 Racing Oil has
more of these additives for fullcompetition engines but at noticeably lower
viscosity ratings.  If yougo to their site the full explanation about these
oils is there, also achart with all their oil products listed with detailed
specifics andcontents of each product.

Now to pick the winning lottery number to fund a complete engine teardown and
rebuild, maybe bigger pistons too !!

Wish you all luck,
Bob T


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Thu Jan  7 07:56:32 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 09:56:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Oil viscosity
References: <13F9A911B6F84CE8814DFBDEE48141A3@amdx2>
Message-ID: <778BFDA1-586E-4B66-A03E-6C173236F79F@comcast.net>

Some interesting reading on the Joe Gibbs site.  It leads me to  
believe that 20-50 is to "thick" for the bearing clearances in our  
racing engines, the horsepower they develop, and the oil temps.

Engine oil viscosity chart vs horsepower from Joe Gibbs Racing Oil.

http://www.joegibbsracingoil.com/trainingcenter/viscosity.html


From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net  Thu Jan  7 13:01:08 2010
From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:01:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW: Ed Brannon Passing
Message-ID: <4B463D84.40108@cyberspeedway.net>

    Very sad news. I know some of you knew Ed personally. Ed started 
racing in a TR4. He was always helpful to anyone who asked and was a 
great source of info. If you attend a Vintage race and there is a Lotus 
23 running, there is a good chance it was restored by Ed and Mark. Ed 
was a great influence on my life and the people who knew him. He will be 
greatly missed.

Greg Lund

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: FW: Ed Brannon Passing
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:15:55 -0800


It is with great sorrow to inform the Arizona Region of the passing of 
our longest standing member of the region. Ed Brannon was a big part of 
the region.  He raced against his son Mark for several years in their 
Elva Courier. He was a member since 1963 with a four digit membership 
number. Ed will  be missed but not forgotten. Our prayers go out to his 
family. Memorial Services will be held Sunday Jan 17th, 2010 at 3 PM at 
Messengers Mortuary located on Indian School Road and Miller in 
Scottsdale, AZ .

Donna Sheehan
NPI, Program Manager
Embedded Solutions

Avnet Technology Solutions



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From wes at hsrca.org.au  Thu Jan  7 13:51:23 2010
From: wes at hsrca.org.au (Wes Dayton)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 07:51:23 +1100
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
Message-ID: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>

Australian rules allow us to fit newer style racing seats; technically I
believe there is a specified list of 3acceptable2 seats but in reality we
can get away with something as long as it is not too far 3out of character2
(i.e. no great big wings9 etc.). I9m still using a very tired original seat
and it9s time for a change. Trouble is finding something suitable that fits
the rather narrow space available. Not everything is easily available in
Australia but I9d be interested in knowing what everyone is using.

Wes Dayton


From tlizzard at msn.com  Thu Jan  7 15:29:43 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 17:29:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
References: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS714E3DE1F05FD71A3B8D3C3710@phx.gbl>

Wes,

I don't know if the Kirkey brand aluminum seats are available in OZ, their
smaller seats are rather easily modified to fit most smaller sports cars.  The
side wings are easily cut back if they are objectionable, new beading can be
put on and a trip to the upholstery shop for a new covering with white piping
will yield a very vintage appearing, yet very safe seat.

Terry Stetler


From horizonracing at msn.com  Thu Jan  7 16:05:24 2010
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:05:24 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
References: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W1091BDA8FF1B70C76E1694B2710@phx.gbl>

Try Looking at the "vintage 41" seats or "Kirkey" make a period Bucket seat.
Kirkey seats are available from summitracing.com. I have the Kirkey seats in
my early corvette and they work well, and look great.



An Aussie.........great grand dad must have been a pick pocket yeah ;)



Cheers

Tony



> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 07:51:23 +1100
> From: wes at hsrca.org.au
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
>
> Australian rules allow us to fit newer style racing seats; technically I
> believe there is a specified list of 3acceptable2 seats but in reality we
> can get away with something as long as it is not too far 3out of character2
> (i.e. no great big wings9 etc.). I9m still using a very tired original seat
> and it9s time for a change. Trouble is finding something suitable that fits
> the rather narrow space available. Not everything is easily available in
> Australia but I9d be interested in knowing what everyone is using.
>
> Wes Dayton
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Thu Jan  7 17:32:49 2010
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:32:49 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
References: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
Message-ID: <000001ca8ffa$1c19cf90$544d6eb0$@racer@comcast.net>

Wes:

One thing to consider when buying a seat is some high-back seats are not
compatible with neck restraint systems, ie, HANS.  I bought a Kirkey bucket
seat with snap on cover for around $300 which fit nicely in my TR4 without
modification and it's quite comfortable with good side support.  I chose
this low-back style since I use a HANS device.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Wes Dayton
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:51 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat

Australian rules allow us to fit newer style racing seats; technically I
believe there is a specified list of 3acceptable2 seats but in reality we
can get away with something as long as it is not too far 3out of character2
(i.e. no great big 
wings9 etc.). I9m still using a very tired original seat
and it9s time for a change. Trouble is finding something suitable that fits
the rather narrow space available. Not everything is easily available in
Australia but I9d be interested in knowing what everyone is using.

Wes Dayton
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jan  7 22:20:33 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:20:33 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Roller rocker question
Message-ID: <20100108052051.2382B187669@autox.team.net>

I'm passing along a question from a gentleman from Europe regarding 
roller rockers.  They seem to have quality issues with their usual 
suppliers and the stock ones are "too soft".  He's wondering if 
anyone has experience with roller rockers from Harland Sharp, good or 
bad.  Their two usual suppliers either have parts that are too soft 
and then have too much runout, or they spray oil all over everywhere.

I get the impression that he's looking more at the TR-6 / Spitfire 
rockers but am interested in responses for any model of racing TR.

I think alternate supplier suggestions (like Good Parts for example, 
I suggested that) would be welcome but he is specifically interested 
in experiences with Harland Sharp's rockers.

Thanks in advance, Tony Drews


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jan  7 22:51:11 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:51:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
References: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
Message-ID: <20100108055125.00973187669@autox.team.net>

I have a Kirkey seat with wings around my ribcage.  It doesn't have 
the shoulder wings like the Nascar seats have (and THAT is the way to 
go from a safety standpoint), but I like it.  Uncle Jack hated wings 
like that so he bought a Kirkey "Drag" seat.  That doesn't have the 
wings and looks pretty nice.  And, it's cheap.

Regarding the Hans issue - I have a high back seat and have no issue 
with it interfering with my HANS device.  Of course I have a little 
more built in padding than some (most) too, so that may be a 
factor.  :)  I did have to make the shoulder belt slot much larger to 
get the angle of the seat belt over the HANS device to work well.

- Tony Drews

At 02:51 PM 1/7/2010, Wes Dayton wrote:
>Australian rules allow us to fit newer style racing seats; technically I
>believe there is a specified list of 3acceptable2 seats but in reality we
>can get away with something as long as it is not too far 3out of character2
>(i.e. no great big wings9 etc.). I9m still using a very tired original seat
>and it9s time for a change. Trouble is finding something suitable that fits
>the rather narrow space available. Not everything is easily available in
>Australia but I9d be interested in knowing what everyone is using.
>
>Wes Dayton


From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Fri Jan  8 06:29:49 2010
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 07:29:49 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Roller rockers
Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A66ED66@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>

Tony,

I bought the Harland Sharp for a Spitfire 1300/1500 and later found out
(per my engine builder) their ratio is incorrect by enough that he won't
use them and guarantee they'll be 100%.  SOOOO if someone wants a brand
new set for say a street car (incorrect amount isn't a big deal there) I
will sell them for 175.00 for a brand new set. Also have a used set that
came on a old race motor, they are available for 75.00!


Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax
www.dieselperformanceparts.com


From rkrantz77 at comcast.net  Fri Jan  8 08:08:40 2010
From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:08:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Roller rockers
In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A66ED66@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>
Message-ID: <373694420.9528441262963320069.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I use Harland Sharp on all my race engines.B  They are available in 1.5 and
1.6 ratios.B  They are very accurate in ratio from part to part.B  The stock
rockers can be anywhere from 1.41 to as high as 1.48 in the same set from an
OE engine.B  The advantage of using the higher ratio is the regrind cam can
have a larger base circle. There are other considerations like higher
acceleration of the valve event.B  But all can beB overcome with a complete
valvetrain package.B  Most aftermarket cams for spits are designed to use 1.47
to 1.5 ratio rockers - check with the cam mfgr.B  The only problem I have seen
is clearance with the valve spring retainer on some combinations.

Ron Krantz

ReK Racing
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From: "Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info" <info at dieselperformanceparts.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2010 8:29:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [Fot] Roller rockers

Tony,

I bought the Harland Sharp for a Spitfire 1300/1500 and later found out
(per my engine builder) their ratio is incorrect by enough that he won't
use them and guarantee they'll be 100%. B SOOOO if someone wants a brand
new set for say a street car (incorrect amount isn't a big deal there) I
will sell them for 175.00 for a brand new set. Also have a used set that
came on a old race motor, they are available for 75.00!


Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax
www.dieselperformanceparts.com
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From cwnfot at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 11:18:04 2010
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:18:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] low port cylinder heads ??
In-Reply-To: <D0B1CD43CB49412888EEDC7C69779F1D@latitudefb1e41>
References: <D0B1CD43CB49412888EEDC7C69779F1D@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <002c01ca908e$ec4e9850$c4ebc8f0$@com>

Pardon my ignorance but can you describe what you are referring to?

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
"Reality, it's not what you think."


-----Original Message-----
Subject: [Fot] low port cylinder heads

Are these rare? I have one lying around and I'm wondering what to ask for
it.

Bob Kramer
Volente, TX


From robertten1 at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 12:22:23 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:22:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] PARTS QUEST:  CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
In-Reply-To: <4B396EFF.1000103@greenheart.com>
References: <4B396EFF.1000103@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <8CC5EAF0A356AC4-2AB0-64F2@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com>

 Have checked any of the Jaguar parts suppliers ?   Most have them listed and
available, usually in sets of 6.

Best of luck,
Bob T








-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Wagner <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
To: Justin Wagner <jmwagner at tstonramp.com>
Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2009 9:52 pm
Subject: [Fot] PARTS QUEST:  CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps


Friends,

I am looking for a set of four (or whatever number I can find!) of these
specific 50's era CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps.   I'd be happy to
even get one, at least, to feel like I have a start.

If any of you are the type that have hoards of parts laying about, or
know someone that does, please take a look around or ask those buddies.
This one has been just out of reach for too long.  One or two has come
up on Ebay, but I haven't managed to snag them.

If you have 'em, let me know your price.  Just to mention it, I'd also
be happy to consider them in trade towards my silicone valve cover
gaskets, etc.    Just let me know!  Link below is photo of cap in case
the image didn't come through the e-mail.     Thanks.  --Justin Wagner

http://i.ebayimg.com/03/!Bh0O4pgBGk~$(KGrHqUH-C8EsM(4qTirBLK+yjFDkw~~_12.JPG
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Jan  8 12:35:56 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:35:56 -0800
Subject: [Fot] low port cylinder heads ??
In-Reply-To: <002c01ca908e$ec4e9850$c4ebc8f0$@com>
Message-ID: <49.5A.19471.B19874B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> Pardon my ignorance but can you describe what you are referring to?

Probably a TR2/early TR3 head.  The intake ports were moved upwards for
better breathing.

Probably worthless unless doing a 'correct' restoration.  I've got a "Le
Mans" head laying the shelf as well, if anyone is interested.  Should have
the intake manifold for it, too.

Randall


From cwnfot at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 12:58:37 2010
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:58:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] PARTS QUEST:  CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
In-Reply-To: <4B396EFF.1000103@greenheart.com>
References: <4B396EFF.1000103@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <001e01ca909c$f7f75580$e7e60080$@com>

Do a Google search for: 
CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps

Many results, such as: 
http://www.britishcycle.com/Products/champion_plug_caps.htm 

Google is your friend!

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
"Reality, it's not what you think."


From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Fri Jan  8 13:21:40 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:21:40 -0800
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Re: PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps]
Message-ID: <4B4793D4.70206@greenheart.com>

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [Fot] PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
Date: 	Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:19:36 -0800
From: 	Justin Wagner <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
To: 	Clark W. Nicholls <cwnfot at gmail.com>
References: 	<4B396EFF.1000103 at greenheart.com> 
<001e01ca909c$f7f75580$e7e60080$@com>



Clark....

Trust me.... I know Google... I have known Google for many years.  I 
consider Google my friend.  But for this cap, Google has not produced a 
source.

Look at your result, as an example...they have lots of vintage Champion 
caps.... not one of them is the one I am looking for.   Trust me, I 
would Google to the end of the world, before I'd reach out to newsgroups.

--Justin



Clark W. Nicholls wrote:

>Do a Google search for: 
>CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
>
>Many results, such as: 
>http://www.britishcycle.com/Products/champion_plug_caps.htm 
>
>Google is your friend!
>
>Clark
>Clark W. Nicholls
>1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
>"Reality, it's not what you think."


From list at mackenzie.aero  Fri Jan  8 13:31:19 2010
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:31:19 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5148.1262974692.4175.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.5148.1262974692.4175.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <002501ca90a1$8992bcb0$9cb83610$@aero>

I am running the Kirkey low back 'vintage' drag seats in my '62 Spitfire
Autocross car. They are exactly like the Pro-Street seats without the
headrest.
I bought them from Summit, along with the matching seat covers.  I just
received a Jan-Feb 2010 Summit catalogue and noticed last night that they
are no longer listing that seat.  They might be available somewhere else.
Be aware that some sanctioning bodies require headrests and some don't.  I
chose them because they were narrow enough and looked right.  Contact me off
list and I can send you a photo.

Robert MacKenzie
Austin,TX 


From cwnfot at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 16:07:43 2010
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:07:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
In-Reply-To: <4B4793D4.70206@greenheart.com>
References: <4B4793D4.70206@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <003c01ca90b7$63340950$299c1bf0$@com>

Using the Google results I would contact the vendors directly and see if
they can provide the specific part. Since they supply similar items. Or have
a lead you can follow.

Or try Hemmings.

I have a friend with a container full of old stuff from his father's auto
repair shop but finding anything would be near impossible!

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
"Reality, it's not what you think."


From jmwagner at tstonramp.com  Fri Jan  8 16:21:15 2010
From: jmwagner at tstonramp.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:21:15 -0800
Subject: [Fot] PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
In-Reply-To: <003c01ca90b7$63340950$299c1bf0$@com>
References: <4B4793D4.70206@greenheart.com>
	<003c01ca90b7$63340950$299c1bf0$@com>
Message-ID: <654366B5-76F2-4464-945C-41893A9D22AD@tstonramp.com>

I have been doing just that.  This "Parts Quest", complete with photo,  
has gone out to many folks.  In the end, it's sometimes about just  
catching the one person that knows he has some in his garage or  
specifically knows someone that does.

Some of the vintage caps are still being supplied all over, this  
particular one is not.

Give your friend my original parts quest with photo and maybe he'll  
take a look sometime after watching an episode of "Hoarders" on  
cable.  I know that show motivates me to unload unneeded stuff!

--Justin


On Jan 8, 2010, at 3:07 PM, "Clark W. Nicholls" <cwnfot at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> Using the Google results I would contact the vendors directly and  
> see if
> they can provide the specific part. Since they supply similar items.  
> Or have
> a lead you can follow.
>
> Or try Hemmings.
>
> I have a friend with a container full of old stuff from his father's  
> auto
> repair shop but finding anything would be near impossible!
>
> Clark
> Clark W. Nicholls
> 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
> "Reality, it's not what you think."


From GRMTim at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 19:19:26 2010
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 21:19:26 EST
Subject: [Fot] Need 1500 Spitfire bonnet
Message-ID: <ce4.67c3f088.387941ae@aol.com>

I have decided to take the plunge and tear my son's 1973 Spitfire down to 
the frame and build it back up. Just did a dual SU carb conversion that made 
me fall even more in love with Spitfires, so now want to do paint and 
chassis and suspension in time for VTR National convention this fall.

I looked the car over real good with my body man and he says we should 
start with a better bonnet/hood. Anyone want to sell a nice one at a fair price?

I have a usable one with some dings and rust, so don't want to go sideways. 
Need one that is really rust and bondo free. I could live with few parking 
lot dings. Thanks.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040


From robertten1 at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 19:29:15 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:29:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
In-Reply-To: <4B4793D4.70206@greenheart.com>
References: <4B4793D4.70206@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <8CC5EEAABDA3542-2AB0-BA66@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com>

 Try :

SNG Barratt at 1 800 452 4787 or web :  www.sngbarrattusa.com

Part Number is  WCX600
                               CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Cap



Cheers, Bob T









-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Wagner <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 3:21 pm
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Re: PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps]


-------- Original Message --------
Subject:    Re: [Fot] PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
Date:   Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:19:36 -0800
From:   Justin Wagner <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
To:     Clark W. Nicholls <cwnfot at gmail.com>
References:     <4B396EFF.1000103 at greenheart.com>
<001e01ca909c$f7f75580$e7e60080$@com>



Clark....

Trust me.... I know Google... I have known Google for many years.  I
consider Google my friend.  But for this cap, Google has not produced a
source.

Look at your result, as an example...they have lots of vintage Champion
caps.... not one of them is the one I am looking for.   Trust me, I
would Google to the end of the world, before I'd reach out to newsgroups.

--Justin



Clark W. Nicholls wrote:

>Do a Google search for:
>CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
>
>Many results, such as:
>http://www.britishcycle.com/Products/champion_plug_caps.htm
>
>Google is your friend!
>
>Clark
>Clark W. Nicholls
>1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
>"Reality, it's not what you think."
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 19:48:52 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:48:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <002501ca90a1$8992bcb0$9cb83610$@aero>
References: <mailman.5148.1262974692.4175.fot@autox.team.net>
	<002501ca90a1$8992bcb0$9cb83610$@aero>
Message-ID: <8CC5EED69AB49F7-30B8-C9A0@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com>

 Heads up -

A quick on-line look on the Summit Racing site and the KIRKEY Vintage Class
Bucket Seat is listed and available, along with vinyl covers. in 3 different
widths.  Just a reminder if you don't see it in a catalog(s) check on-line or
call.

So this might be a better way to go for my car as well instead of modifying,
welding an reupholstering my current seat to gain that period look.


Cheers,
Bob T








-----Original Message-----
From: Robert MacKenzie <list at mackenzie.aero>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 3:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Seat


I am running the Kirkey low back 'vintage' drag seats in my '62 Spitfire
Autocross car. They are exactly like the Pro-Street seats without the
headrest.
I bought them from Summit, along with the matching seat covers.  I just
received a Jan-Feb 2010 Summit catalogue and noticed last night that they
are no longer listing that seat.  They might be available somewhere else.
Be aware that some sanctioning bodies require headrests and some don't.  I
chose them because they were narrow enough and looked right.  Contact me off
list and I can send you a photo.

Robert MacKenzie
Austin,TX
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Fri Jan  8 20:04:14 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:04:14 -0800
Subject: [Fot] PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
In-Reply-To: <8CC5EEAABDA3542-2AB0-BA66@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com>
References: <4B4793D4.70206@greenheart.com>
	<8CC5EEAABDA3542-2AB0-BA66@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B47F22E.4030205@greenheart.com>

This is not the same cap.  

http://www.sngbarrattusa.com/imaging/partimage1.asp?id=8519

--Justin

robertten1 at aol.com wrote:

> Try :
>
>SNG Barratt at 1 800 452 4787 or web :  www.sngbarrattusa.com
>
>Part Number is  WCX600
>                               CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Cap
>
>
>
>Cheers, Bob T
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Justin Wagner <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 3:21 pm
>Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Re: PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps]
>
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject:    Re: [Fot] PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
>Date:   Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:19:36 -0800
>From:   Justin Wagner <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
>To:     Clark W. Nicholls <cwnfot at gmail.com>
>References:     <4B396EFF.1000103 at greenheart.com>
><001e01ca909c$f7f75580$e7e60080$@com>
>
>
>
>Clark....
>
>Trust me.... I know Google... I have known Google for many years.  I
>consider Google my friend.  But for this cap, Google has not produced a
>source.
>
>Look at your result, as an example...they have lots of vintage Champion
>caps.... not one of them is the one I am looking for.   Trust me, I
>would Google to the end of the world, before I'd reach out to newsgroups.
>
>--Justin
>
>
>
>Clark W. Nicholls wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Do a Google search for:
>>CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps
>>
>>Many results, such as:
>>http://www.britishcycle.com/Products/champion_plug_caps.htm
>>
>>Google is your friend!
>>
>>Clark
>>Clark W. Nicholls
>>1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
>>"Reality, it's not what you think."
>>    
>>
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 22:02:31 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 00:02:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 345-10/D - Champion, bakelite, non-resistor type
Message-ID: <8CC5F0015033E82-1CEC-E419@webmail-d037.sysops.aol.com>

 www.britcycle.com





345-10/D - Champion, bakelite, non-resistor type


From jmwagner at tstonramp.com  Fri Jan  8 23:01:57 2010
From: jmwagner at tstonramp.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 22:01:57 -0800
Subject: [Fot] 345-10/D - Champion, bakelite, non-resistor type
In-Reply-To: <8CC5F0015033E82-1CEC-E419@webmail-d037.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC5F0015033E82-1CEC-E419@webmail-d037.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <41F1E435-9513-4B70-8771-E19425846FBC@tstonramp.com>

These are the type that are found at all the usual suspects.  Long  
before I approached the newsgroups, I had run into all the similar  
caps, but not the cap that I am seeking.

It would be great to find some supplier has a hoard or is reproducing  
them, however I strongly suspect that is not the case.  I really did  
"work" at this before bothering you all.

I think the caps are going to have to come from a private party,  old  
junk yard, auto swap meet, etc.

It would be a "quest" if I was willing to settle for a part that is  
just similar to what I am looking for.   If I must, I will, but the  
quest would continue.


On Jan 8, 2010, at 9:02 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote:

> www.britcycle.com
>
>
>
>
>
> 345-10/D - Champion, bakelite, non-resistor type
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sat Jan  9 22:00:09 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:00:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Stag
Message-ID: <E898076E6791441EBACE6D27262399EF@your4dacd0ea75>

Just saw this on Ebay.

 

Paul

 

http://tinyurl.com/Uncle-Jack-Stag


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sat Jan  9 22:18:55 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:18:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] uncle jack Stag
In-Reply-To: <E898076E6791441EBACE6D27262399EF@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <E898076E6791441EBACE6D27262399EF@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <92B070EE3F084A269F201CD92292C2ED@your4dacd0ea75>

Lower case letters...forgot...

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Paul MacDonald
Sent: January 10, 2010 12:00 AM
To: Fot
Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Stag

Just saw this on Ebay.

 

Paul

 

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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Jan  9 23:55:43 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:55:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Speaking of seats...
Message-ID: <4B4979EF.5020301@bradakis.com>

I've got a Kirkey economy layback seat I won't be using for a while, if 
ever.
Never installed.  Just the bare seat, no cover.  It looks like this:

http://www.summitracing.com/search/?keyword=Kirkey%2016400&dds=1


I got it several years ago when I still had thoughts of making Killer into a
better road racer.  That ain't gonna happen for quite some time.  If 
interested,
let me know.

Actually I may be offering quite a few goodies over the next little while.
After being out of work for four years and five months, I'm in a financial
bind, and am getting booted out of the shop I've been renting.  After 14 
years,
the stuff really piles up.  Some of it is actually useful.  Stay tuned for
further updates.

mjb.


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 10 11:14:05 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:14:05 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
Message-ID: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>

Anybody out there know of a Polyurethane or Aluminum bushing that fits  
the front eye of the TR3 leaf spring?  (not the rear shackle kit)
I had to take an angle grinder to the spring eye pin to get it out and  
destroyed my dad's custom aluminum bushing in the process.

I'm wondering if anybody out there may know of a part number for a  
modern car (or small truck) to save me a little leg-work.

I found a place that can make me a custom bushing but I'd prefer to  
find something off the shelf if possible.

Dimensions:  L 2.25"  W 1.325  Hole: .625"

By the way the replacement Stock bushing from Moss does not fit onto  
their new pin.

~Steve


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Jan 10 11:30:30 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:30:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
In-Reply-To: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>
References: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8CC603A1F8115E9-1384-1CB5D@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>

Look at what is available at McMaster-Carr in aluminum or bronze.

OD  1.325   ID  .625   Lgth   2.25






-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:14 pm
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing


Anybody out there know of a Polyurethane or Aluminum bushing that fits the
front eye of the TR3 leaf spring? (not the rear shackle kit)
I had to take an angle grinder to the spring eye pin to get it out and
destroyed my dad's custom aluminum bushing in the process.

I'm wondering if anybody out there may know of a part number for a modern car
(or small truck) to save me a little leg-work.

I found a place that can make me a custom bushing but I'd prefer to find
something off the shelf if possible.

Dimensions: L 2.25" W 1.325 Hole: .625"

By the way the replacement Stock bushing from Moss does not fit onto their new
pin.

~Steve
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 10 11:48:43 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:48:43 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
In-Reply-To: <8CC603A1F8115E9-1384-1CB5D@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
References: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>
	<8CC603A1F8115E9-1384-1CB5D@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <69374EA7-729D-41EE-BD37-6271270E1202@earthlink.net>

Thanks Joe, I could get this and cut it down:

http://www.mcmaster.com/#8931k91/=5beo9i

I don't think the extra pound(s) will matter.

~Steve




On Jan 10, 2010, at 10:30 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:

> Look at what is available at McMaster-Carr in aluminum or bronze.
>
> OD  1.325   ID  .625   Lgth   2.25
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
> To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:14 pm
> Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
>
> Anybody out there know of a Polyurethane or Aluminum bushing that  
> fits the front eye of the TR3 leaf spring? (not the rear shackle kit)
> I had to take an angle grinder to the spring eye pin to get it out  
> and destroyed my dad's custom aluminum bushing in the process.
>
> I'm wondering if anybody out there may know of a part number for a  
> modern car (or small truck) to save me a little leg-work.
>
> I found a place that can make me a custom bushing but I'd prefer to  
> find something off the shelf if possible.
>
> Dimensions: L 2.25" W 1.325 Hole: .625"
>
> By the way the replacement Stock bushing from Moss does not fit onto  
> their new pin.
>
> ~Steve
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From wes at hsrca.org.au  Sun Jan 10 13:19:14 2010
From: wes at hsrca.org.au (Wes Dayton)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:19:14 +1100
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
Message-ID: <C7708172.EF37%wes@hsrca.org.au>

Many thanks to all of those who responded to my questions - certainly turned
out to be a great thumbs-up for Kirkey seats. Now to figure out if my bum
will fit into a 15inch wide seat!

Wes


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 10 13:26:53 2010
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:26:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials
Message-ID: <BAY123-W321E3CE071DE45C1B83E95BA6E0@phx.gbl>

Sitting here in the snow daydreaming about projects. Has anybody stumbled upon
a differential conversion for the Spitfire similar the Nissan 300ZX setup?
Also is anybody autcrossing a Spitfire using a welded diff? hows it working
out for you?

Thanks,
Marty

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From m-syork at comcast.net  Sun Jan 10 13:53:43 2010
From: m-syork at comcast.net (Mark York)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:53:43 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear leafs
Message-ID: <000501ca9236$ff563710$64a91218@markv8zno7deim>

Amici

Does anyone have a recommendation for TR3 competition rear leaf springs? The
set I have on the car were from Moss Motors (p/n: 851-180) that I took to a
local spring shop and had the top leaf (with eye) flipped over and re-arched
to lower the rear end by 1 =. After a season of racing I noticed that the
right rear leaf is sagging by about >.

What rear spring rates does everyone run?

Thanks to all in advance.

Regards

Mark


From m-syork at comcast.net  Sun Jan 10 14:09:20 2010
From: m-syork at comcast.net (Mark York)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:09:20 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
In-Reply-To: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>
References: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000a01ca9239$2e023c10$64a91218@markv8zno7deim>

Steve
I went to a local metal distributor and bought a piece of bearing bronze. I
took it to a local machine shop and had them turn it down to the proper
size. Cost on a 20" piece of BB cost $99 and 1 hour of shop time was $65. I
may have a picture of the finished bushing around if you want to see them.
Regards
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Steven Belfer
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 10:14 AM
To: Friends of Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing

Anybody out there know of a Polyurethane or Aluminum bushing that fits  
the front eye of the TR3 leaf spring?  (not the rear shackle kit)
I had to take an angle grinder to the spring eye pin to get it out and  
destroyed my dad's custom aluminum bushing in the process.

I'm wondering if anybody out there may know of a part number for a  
modern car (or small truck) to save me a little leg-work.

I found a place that can make me a custom bushing but I'd prefer to  
find something off the shelf if possible.

Dimensions:  L 2.25"  W 1.325  Hole: .625"

By the way the replacement Stock bushing from Moss does not fit onto  
their new pin.

~Steve
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Sun Jan 10 14:47:29 2010
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:47:29 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <C7708172.EF37%wes@hsrca.org.au>
References: <C7708172.EF37%wes@hsrca.org.au>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W1112DE97A8C26E90E2C5BB26E0@phx.gbl>

Wes,

You can spec. order any width seat you need. I had to have one at 19 inchs !!
for one of my Clients in an MGB.








> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:19:14 +1100
> From: wes at hsrca.org.au
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
>
> Many thanks to all of those who responded to my questions - certainly
turned
> out to be a great thumbs-up for Kirkey seats. Now to figure out if my bum
> will fit into a 15inch wide seat!
>
> Wes
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From andre at gt6.ca  Sun Jan 10 15:22:07 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:22:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <BLU136-W1112DE97A8C26E90E2C5BB26E0@phx.gbl>
References: <C7708172.EF37%wes@hsrca.org.au>
	<BLU136-W1112DE97A8C26E90E2C5BB26E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4362ae391001101422ud107f8dn278eb2dc3f249056@mail.gmail.com>

I picked mine up direct from Kirkey in Cornwall.

http://www.124racer.com/setup_kirkey_seat.html

I went with the 47 Series Intermediate Road Race Seat.
I had them ship the mounts and cover later on.

A.



--
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2010/1/10 Tony and Annie Garmey <horizonracing at msn.com>:
> Wes,
>
> You can spec. order any width seat you need. I had to have one at 19 inchs
!!
> for one of my Clients in an MGB.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:19:14 +1100
>> From: wes at hsrca.org.au
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
>>
>> Many thanks to all of those who responded to my questions - certainly
> turned
>> out to be a great thumbs-up for Kirkey seats. Now to figure out if my bum
>> will fit into a 15inch wide seat!
>>
>> Wes
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From munsonsb at telus.net  Sun Jan 10 15:22:21 2010
From: munsonsb at telus.net (munsonsb at telus.net)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:22:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear leafs
Message-ID: <13803604.583114.1263162141302.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes94>

Hi All - Great timing - as an addendum to Mark's question - has anyone had any
experience with a single leaf spring on either a TR3 or 4 and if so do you
know of a source?
Thanks.
Barry.

On Jan 10, 2010, Mark York <m-syork at comcast.net> wrote:

Amici

Does anyone have a recommendation for TR3 competition rear leaf springs? The
set I have on the car were from Moss Motors (p/n: 851-180) that I took to a
local spring shop and had the top leaf (with eye) flipped over and re-arched
to lower the rear end by 1 =. After a season of racing I noticed that the
right rear leaf is sagging by about >.

What rear spring rates does everyone run?

Thanks to all in advance.

Regards

Mark
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From dave at microworks.net  Sun Jan 10 15:53:35 2010
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:53:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <4362ae391001101422ud107f8dn278eb2dc3f249056@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C7708172.EF37%wes@hsrca.org.au>
	<BLU136-W1112DE97A8C26E90E2C5BB26E0@phx.gbl>
	<4362ae391001101422ud107f8dn278eb2dc3f249056@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B4A5A6F.4080608@microworks.net>

I'm installing a very similar seat in the TR3.

http://www.ultrashieldrace.com/prod.php?id=8

16" for the drivers side and 17" for the Passenger


Andre Rousseau wrote:
> I picked mine up direct from Kirkey in Cornwall.
>
> http://www.124racer.com/setup_kirkey_seat.html
>
> I went with the 47 Series Intermediate Road Race Seat.
> I had them ship the mounts and cover later on.
>
> A.
>
>
>
> --
> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
> '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
> Ottawa, ON, Canada
>
> You know, racing was a lot tougher before the Internet...
> Quote by Steve Smith GT6 Racer
>
>
>
> 2010/1/10 Tony and Annie Garmey <horizonracing at msn.com>:
>   
>> Wes,
>>
>> You can spec. order any width seat you need. I had to have one at 19 inchs
>>     
> !!
>   
>> for one of my Clients in an MGB.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     
>>> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:19:14 +1100
>>> From: wes at hsrca.org.au
>>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
>>>
>>> Many thanks to all of those who responded to my questions - certainly
>>>       
>> turned
>>     
>>> out to be a great thumbs-up for Kirkey seats. Now to figure out if my bum
>>> will fit into a 15inch wide seat!
>>>
>>> Wes
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 10 15:59:11 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:59:11 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear leafs
In-Reply-To: <13803604.583114.1263162141302.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes94>
References: <13803604.583114.1263162141302.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes94>
Message-ID: <5FF1129C-D818-4278-8ADD-DD74E278B4F2@earthlink.net>

I think the thing to do is to find a local spring shop and have a set
of two made up to copy your good one.

I just removed the leaf springs from my TR3.  They were probably okay
but the clips were looking pretty old.  I know they've been on the
race car for at least 21 years, maybe 30.

My springs have an added leaf to beef them up and they are de-arched
to lower the car. Due to the extra leaf, custom spacers were made to
for the top and bottom of the U-bolt clamps. My springs also have also
been ground in two spots for more tire clearance.  I think it was an
issue when it had big centerline racing wheels, slicks and flares.
Not sure if they need to be modified fore tire clearance with my
current 5.5" rims.

You may mount them and see that the car is too high (or too low) and
need  to take them back to change the arch a little bit.

If you haven't removed the springs already, the pin that holds the
front spring eye is really fun to remove!

~Steve


On Jan 10, 2010, at 2:22 PM, munsonsb at telus.net wrote:

> Hi All - Great timing - as an addendum to Mark's question - has
> anyone had any
> experience with a single leaf spring on either a TR3 or 4 and if so
> do you
> know of a source?
> Thanks.
> Barry.
>
> On Jan 10, 2010, Mark York <m-syork at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Amici
>
> Does anyone have a recommendation for TR3 competition rear leaf
> springs? The
> set I have on the car were from Moss Motors (p/n: 851-180) that I
> took to a
> local spring shop and had the top leaf (with eye) flipped over and
> re-arched
> to lower the rear end by 1 =. After a season of racing I noticed
> that the
> right rear leaf is sagging by about >.
>
> What rear spring rates does everyone run?
>
> Thanks to all in advance.
>
> Regards
>
> Mark
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Jan 10 16:01:03 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:01:03 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
In-Reply-To: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E1.8C.19578.03C5A4B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> By the way the replacement Stock bushing from Moss does not fit onto  
> their new pin.

FWIW, I just installed replacement stock bushings from TRF, and they fit
perfectly.

Randall


From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Sun Jan 10 16:06:51 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:06:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
References: <C76C947B.EECD%wes@hsrca.org.au>
Message-ID: <003301ca9249$98b09e20$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Hi, I use the Kirkey Intermediate road racing seat that I got from Jeg's
high performance in Columbus, Ohio. It came in different widths also ( I
know what you mean Tony!).
  Price was reasonable even after buying the seat cover. I'm pleased with it
and it does accomodate the HANS. It's made of aluminum so is easy to work
with as far as modifying, if needed.
  Good luck, Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: "Wes Dayton" <wes at hsrca.org.au>
  To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 3:51 PM
  Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat


  > Australian rules allow us to fit newer style racing seats; technically I
  > believe there is a specified list of 3acceptable2 seats but in reality
we
  > can get away with something as long as it is not too far 3out of
character2
  > (i.e. no great big wings9 etc.). I9m still using a very tired original
seat
  > and it9s time for a change. Trouble is finding something suitable that
fits
  > the rather narrow space available. Not everything is easily available in
  > Australia but I9d be interested in knowing what everyone is using.
  >
  > Wes Dayton
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 10 16:19:18 2010
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:19:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <4362ae391001101422ud107f8dn278eb2dc3f249056@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C7708172.EF37%wes@hsrca.org.au>
	<BLU136-W1112DE97A8C26E90E2C5BB26E0@phx.gbl>
	<4362ae391001101422ud107f8dn278eb2dc3f249056@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <526642.34925.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My seats are also Kirkey - I took a sawsall to them.
Andre - could you forward this picture to the FOT for me.

Thanks
Dennis

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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 10 16:24:07 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:24:07 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the Snow picture finally appears
Message-ID: <AC4AF3BA-FF8E-4FF6-A10F-3B2D00125205@earthlink.net>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-TR3-TR3-1959-Triumph-TR-3-TR3_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem19b8f24799QQitemZ110477068185QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks

Here's the picture!

~Steve


From andre at gt6.ca  Sun Jan 10 16:26:43 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:26:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
In-Reply-To: <526642.34925.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <C7708172.EF37%wes@hsrca.org.au>
	<BLU136-W1112DE97A8C26E90E2C5BB26E0@phx.gbl>
	<4362ae391001101422ud107f8dn278eb2dc3f249056@mail.gmail.com>
	<526642.34925.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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http://temp.justdrive.ca/IMG_2938b.jpg

As requested.

Nice covers.

A.

2010/1/10 Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>:
> My seats are also Kirkey - I took a sawsall to them.
> Andre - could you forward this picture to the FOT for me.
>
> Thanks
> Dennis


From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Sun Jan 10 16:28:45 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:28:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
References: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>
	<8CC603A1F8115E9-1384-1CB5D@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <006801ca924c$a8316660$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Hi Gang, I agree with Joe that the M-C catalog is a great place to look
for needed items. It's about 3500 pages, has quality items, and their
shipping network is excellent. They have a lot of information  in the
catalog, under the heading, "About...(subject)......."
  I get a lot of obscure parts from them; a lot of common stuff, too.
  Great place.
  If you haven't used them yet, give them a try.
  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
  To: <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 1:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing


  > Look at what is available at McMaster-Carr in aluminum or bronze.
  >
  > OD  1.325   ID  .625   Lgth   2.25
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
  > To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
  > Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:14 pm
  > Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
  >
  >
  > Anybody out there know of a Polyurethane or Aluminum bushing that fits
the
  > front eye of the TR3 leaf spring? (not the rear shackle kit)
  > I had to take an angle grinder to the spring eye pin to get it out and
  > destroyed my dad's custom aluminum bushing in the process.
  >
  > I'm wondering if anybody out there may know of a part number for a
modern car
  > (or small truck) to save me a little leg-work.
  >
  > I found a place that can make me a custom bushing but I'd prefer to find
  > something off the shelf if possible.
  >
  > Dimensions: L 2.25" W 1.325 Hole: .625"
  >
  > By the way the replacement Stock bushing from Moss does not fit onto
their new
  > pin.
  >
  > ~Steve
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sun Jan 10 16:56:49 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:56:49 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
In-Reply-To: <006801ca924c$a8316660$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
References: <0D9348B9-A22E-4447-AED4-05682E3E39F0@earthlink.net>
	<8CC603A1F8115E9-1384-1CB5D@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
	<006801ca924c$a8316660$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <4B4A6941.2020504@greenheart.com>

I use McMaster Carr a lot....   for my film industry work...   and I 
order much of the hardware that I sell with my gaskets from them.  They 
are EXTREMELY efficient in getting orders out and sending paperwork, 
etc.   It's become very difficult to get physical catalogs now, but 
their online catalog is very handy for racers' purposes.  For example, 
you could search for a washer or a bolt by size.... thickness... type... 
etc... and really narrow down what's available, etc.

Now I do have a bias here... Their west coast distribution center is in 
Santa Fe Springs, CA, which is just a 1/2 hour or so drive for me.... So 
I use their Will Call quite often!

If you do get a catalog, hang onto it as Charlton Heston said he would 
relative to his guns.  It's not like it used to be, where they would 
send a new one very year.

--Justin

 

WILLIAM TOBIN wrote:

>  Hi Gang, I agree with Joe that the M-C catalog is a great place to look
>for needed items. It's about 3500 pages, has quality items, and their
>shipping network is excellent. They have a lot of information  in the
>catalog, under the heading, "About...(subject)......."
>  I get a lot of obscure parts from them; a lot of common stuff, too.
>  Great place.
>  If you haven't used them yet, give them a try.
>  Bill----- Original Message -----
>  From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
>  To: <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
>  Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 1:30 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
>
>
>  > Look at what is available at McMaster-Carr in aluminum or bronze.
>  >
>  > OD  1.325   ID  .625   Lgth   2.25
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
>  > To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>  > Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:14 pm
>  > Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
>  >
>  >
>  > Anybody out there know of a Polyurethane or Aluminum bushing that fits
>the
>  > front eye of the TR3 leaf spring? (not the rear shackle kit)
>  > I had to take an angle grinder to the spring eye pin to get it out and
>  > destroyed my dad's custom aluminum bushing in the process.
>  >
>  > I'm wondering if anybody out there may know of a part number for a
>modern car
>  > (or small truck) to save me a little leg-work.
>  >
>  > I found a place that can make me a custom bushing but I'd prefer to find
>  > something off the shelf if possible.
>  >
>  > Dimensions: L 2.25" W 1.325 Hole: .625"
>  >
>  > By the way the replacement Stock bushing from Moss does not fit onto
>their new
>  > pin.
>  >
>  > ~Steve
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>  >
>  > You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Jan 10 17:31:53 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:31:53 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Leaf Spring Eye Bushing
In-Reply-To: <4B4A6941.2020504@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <E8.7B.19543.9717A4B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> If you do get a catalog, hang onto it as Charlton Heston said 

Gee, Justin, I wish you'd said something sooner!  I actually threw away my
last paper catalog from them and asked them NOT to send any more; as their
on-line catalog works so much better for me.  About the only things I can't
do with the on-line version are carry it into the bathroom and write on it;
which is more than compensated for by being able to "point and grunt" at
anything I want to buy with the on-line version.  It also supports "wish
lists" in the form of unplaced orders, which can be recalled any time,
edited, etc.

BTW, the SFS will-call center is open on Saturdays, but it turns out that
you have to phone in your order if you want to pick it up on Saturday.
On-line orders don't get processed until the next 'business' day.  But there
is a phone & catalog at the will-call counter, so you can place the order
right there if you wish.

Generally, you can find lower prices somewhere else.  But I find myself
using MMC more and more, because it's so easy and fast.

Randall


From kenandtweety at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 10 19:33:27 2010
From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:33:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] "Pick of the Liter"
Message-ID: <673816.61787.qm@web111408.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Bill and Bob,
  Congratulations being picked for the  feature article in the Jan/Feb issue of VINTAGE MOTORSPORT. Nice Shot of you two and that georgeous Thunder Bolt.

Ken Suhre


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 10 20:30:45 2010
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:30:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <BAY123-W242F93831AEC24D5F2CC59BA6D0@phx.gbl>

I would like to propose Jack McGahey for consideration to the group. Jack and
his wife have a fantastic TR6 and a whole gaggle of TR8's. He is the events
coordinator for VTR and the safety director for his SCCA region. Jack
autocrosses his Triumphs and is usually the one to beat in his classes. You
might have seen a nice write up on one of his TR8's in Hemmings Sports and
Exotics this past summer. Can I get a second?

Jack's email is
LimeyV8 at aol.com

Thanks,
Marty

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From Herald948 at aol.com  Sun Jan 10 20:45:49 2010
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:45:49 EST
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <c98.62343507.387bf8ed@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/10/2010 10:34:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
trmarty at hotmail.com writes:

I would  like to propose Jack McGahey for consideration to the group. Jack 
and
his  wife have a fantastic TR6 and a whole gaggle of TR8's. He is the  
events
coordinator for VTR and the safety director for his SCCA region.  Jack
autocrosses his Triumphs and is usually the one to beat in his  classes. You
might have seen a nice write up on one of his TR8's in  Hemmings Sports and
Exotics this past summer. Can I get a  second?
 
==AM==
You got it, Marty!
 
Good to have you here, Jack!
 
--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph 
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 


From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 10 21:21:43 2010
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:21:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W242F93831AEC24D5F2CC59BA6D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-W242F93831AEC24D5F2CC59BA6D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <636510.17682.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Jack would be a good addition to the group. I have known him for years.




________________________________
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, January 10, 2010 9:30:45 PM
Subject: [Fot] Nomination

I would like to propose Jack McGahey for consideration to the group. Jack and
his wife have a fantastic TR6 and a whole gaggle of TR8's. He is the events
coordinator for VTR and the safety director for his SCCA region. Jack
autocrosses his Triumphs and is usually the one to beat in his classes. You
might have seen a nice write up on one of his TR8's in Hemmings Sports and
Exotics this past summer. Can I get a second?

Jack's email is
LimeyV8 at aol.com

Thanks,
Marty

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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 23:30:01 2010
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:30:01 -0800
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Re: diffs]
Message-ID: <4B4AC569.7030401@gmail.com>

Here's the latest from Ken about the limited slip diffs.  It is easier 
just to forward it than to rephrase it.

Terian

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: diffs
Date: 	Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:03:54 -0800
From: 	BFEKen at copper.net <bfeken at copper.net>
Reply-To: 	BFEKen at copper.net <bfeken at copper.net>
To: 	TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>



 

    ----- Original Message -----
    *From:* BFEKen at copper.net <mailto:BFEKen at copper.net>
    *To:* TeriAnn Wakeman <mailto:twakeman at razzolink.com>
    *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2010 4:13 PM
    *Subject:* diffs

    *Teriann, So far we have had 13 what I would call serious inquires*
    *It looks like I will have to get a date from Darryl as to when they
    will be*
    *ready to ship& I will have to have each buyer to send say $700 by
    that date, a complete description of their car, their shipping
    address & any other particulars we might need.*
    ** 
    *Ken*


From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Jan 10 23:33:02 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:33:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W242F93831AEC24D5F2CC59BA6D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-W242F93831AEC24D5F2CC59BA6D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <ACB224B6989744009B1287B4D9EF0557@joepentiumnew>

I thought Jack was already a member, otherwise I would have recommended him.

I guess that qualifies as a second (or third).

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of marty sukey
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:31 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Nomination

I would like to propose Jack McGahey for consideration to the group. Jack
and
his wife have a fantastic TR6 and a whole gaggle of TR8's. He is the events
coordinator for VTR and the safety director for his SCCA region. Jack
autocrosses his Triumphs and is usually the one to beat in his classes. You
might have seen a nice write up on one of his TR8's in Hemmings Sports and
Exotics this past summer. Can I get a second?

Jack's email is
LimeyV8 at aol.com

Thanks,
Marty

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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Jan 11 01:43:21 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 02:43:21 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials
References: <BAY123-W321E3CE071DE45C1B83E95BA6E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A4FE39E1CFA04A6F927A4C55BDE1BEA0@rocky>

Dunno what the 300ZX setup is. Mine's essentially a GT6 diff, big case, big 
axles, 4:55 gearset, and pushed higher up in the chassis (new holes) than 
stock.

It's welded up. Used to have a No-Spin limited slip until I just used that 
sucker up to where it just wasn't repairable any more.

With the No-Spin I'd snap an inner axle about once a year, even big axles. 
Welded it up then because I couldn't find an affordable limited-slip then.

With the welded-up unit I've broken two inner axles in the 15+ years I've 
had it, both times in road races.

But mostly I autocross and it works just fine. Very predictable. The only 
"problem" is pushing it in the paddock and trying to turn. Frankly, at this 
point, I don't think I'd go back to the limited slip even though I can 
afford what's on the market now.

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 2:26 PM
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials


> Sitting here in the snow daydreaming about projects. Has anybody stumbled 
> upon
> a differential conversion for the Spitfire similar the Nissan 300ZX setup?
> Also is anybody autcrossing a Spitfire using a welded diff? hows it 
> working
> out for you?
>
> Thanks,
> Marty
>
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From LimeyV8 at aol.com  Mon Jan 11 07:48:41 2010
From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:48:41 EST
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <d39.626258d5.387c9449@aol.com>

Thanks Marty and Andy
 
good to be here
 
One small correction to Marty's overly-glowing intro - I am an active Solo  
Safety Steward in Central Carolinas Region SCCA, but I'm not the safety 
chief (i  wouldn't want JB to see that and think he could slack off this year - 
i  already give the safety speech at most events because he doesn't like  
to)  
 
Cheers,
Jack Mc
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/10/2010 10:45:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Herald948 
 writes:

In a message dated 1/10/2010 10:34:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
trmarty at hotmail.com writes:

I  would like to propose Jack McGahey for consideration to the group. Jack  
and
his wife have a fantastic TR6 and a whole gaggle of TR8's. He is the  events
coordinator for VTR and the safety director for his SCCA region.  Jack
autocrosses his Triumphs and is usually the one to beat in his  classes. You
might have seen a nice write up on one of his TR8's in  Hemmings Sports and
Exotics this past summer. Can I get a  second?
 
==AM==
You got it, Marty!
 
Good to have you here, Jack!
 
--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not  so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10  / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph 
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 


From limeyv8 at aol.com  Mon Jan 11 07:59:31 2010
From: limeyv8 at aol.com (limeyv8 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:59:31 EST
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials
Message-ID: <3dcd.3b18d471.387c96d3@aol.com>

Marty -
 
there is a prepared Spitfire 1500 autocrossing in our region with a  welded 
diff - he is very quick and sometimes sets FTD - he's never had a problem  
with it, other than trying to make a sharp turn into a grid spot
 
Cheers,
Jack Mc
 
 
In a message dated 1/11/2010 3:48:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
rocky at spitfire4.com writes:

Dunno  what the 300ZX setup is. Mine's essentially a GT6 diff, big case, 
big  
axles, 4:55 gearset, and pushed higher up in the chassis (new holes) than  
stock.

It's welded up. Used to have a No-Spin limited slip until I  just used that 
sucker up to where it just wasn't repairable any  more.

With the No-Spin I'd snap an inner axle about once a year, even  big axles. 
Welded it up then because I couldn't find an affordable  limited-slip then.

With the welded-up unit I've broken two inner axles  in the 15+ years I've 
had it, both times in road races.

But mostly  I autocross and it works just fine. Very predictable. The only 
"problem"  is pushing it in the paddock and trying to turn. Frankly, at 
this 
point, I  don't think I'd go back to the limited slip even though I can 
afford  what's on the market now.

--Rocky

----- Original Message -----  
From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: "FOT"  <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 2:26  PM
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials


> Sitting here in  the snow daydreaming about projects. Has anybody 
stumbled 
>  upon
> a differential conversion for the Spitfire similar the Nissan  300ZX 
setup?
> Also is anybody autcrossing a Spitfire using a welded  diff? hows it 
> working
> out for you?
>
>  Thanks,
> Marty
>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Jan 11 09:31:18 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:31:18 EST
Subject: [Fot] reinstatement of John McCue
Message-ID: <6405.6fd866ef.387cac56@cs.com>

JOHN McCue    slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net   

John was running a GT6 and then went to a Spridget for awhile.

He is back with a Spitfire.

Mark, please reinstate John and Amici welcome him back to FOT Fold.

Spitfire population is on the rise, methinks....this is a good thing.

Joe A
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 09:41:39 2010
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:41:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] reinstatement of John McCue
In-Reply-To: <6405.6fd866ef.387cac56@cs.com>
Message-ID: <821009.47170.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

So many little cars, so little time.  Welcome back.

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:


From: n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Subject: [Fot] reinstatement of John McCue
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 10:31 AM


JOHN McCue    slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net   

John was running a GT6 and then went to a Spridget for awhile.

He is back with a Spitfire.

Mark, please reinstate John and Amici welcome him back to FOT Fold.

Spitfire population is on the rise, methinks....this is a good thing.

Joe A
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From cak at dimebank.com  Mon Jan 11 12:06:45 2010
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:06:45 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1263236401.28615.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.3.1263236401.28615.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4B4B76C5.3070309@dimebank.com>

In some parts of the world, the hot setup for Spitfire differentials is the Datsun 510 diff ... 
which looks remarkably like the Subaru diff of recent years. I don't know the details, but I bet you 
can find out from some of the clubs down under.


From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 12:51:28 2010
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:51:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials
In-Reply-To: <4B4B76C5.3070309@dimebank.com>
Message-ID: <998723.66507.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

The following is a link found on the Spitfire/GT6 magazine web regarding a
Subie diff in a Spit6.
 
http://pages.prodigy.net/mikeross/00019.htm 
 
Interesting.
 
Ernie


--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Chris Kantarjiev <cak at dimebank.com> wrote:


In some parts of the world, the hot setup for Spitfire differentials is the
Datsun 510 diff ... which looks remarkably like the Subaru diff of recent
years. I don't know the details, but I bet you can find out from some of the
clubs down under.


From herald948 at aol.com  Mon Jan 11 13:43:52 2010
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:43:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials
In-Reply-To: <4B4B76C5.3070309@dimebank.com>
References: <mailman.3.1263236401.28615.fot@autox.team.net>
	<4B4B76C5.3070309@dimebank.com>
Message-ID: <8CC6115EB9B62B5-3BA8-346E@webmail-d090.sysops.aol.com>

 Similarly, I've heard of folks using that Subaru differential!



--Andy Mace

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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Kantarjiev <cak at dimebank.com>


In some parts of the world, the hot setup for Spitfire differentials is the
Datsun 510 diff ... which looks remarkably like the Subaru diff of recent
years. I don't know the details, but I bet you can find out from some of the
clubs down under.


From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Mon Jan 11 14:48:39 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:48:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials
In-Reply-To: <8CC6115EB9B62B5-3BA8-346E@webmail-d090.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100111214840.TPYGC.83052.root@cdptpa-web07-z01>

Subaru and Datsun 510 do share a diff that is similar. I believe the diff is manufactured by Hitachi Heavy Industry's. Outward appearances are the same and when they first appeared in Subaru's they were the same on the inside, right down to the clutch type LSD. Over the course of time, up to today, Subaru's still uses the same diff case but has changed to viscous LSD (not good in this case for racing) and changed the way the stub axles are retained so the side plate and ring carrier is different. One of the websites out there details installing the Datsun/Subaru diff in a GT6/Spitfire. Do a google search.

Bob Davis

---- Andrew Mace <herald948 at aol.com> wrote: 
>  Similarly, I've heard of folks using that Subaru differential!
> 
> 
> 
> --Andy Mace
> 
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
> Herald engine with wings.
> -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)
> 
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> Register: http://www.vtr.org
> 
> Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
> Database: http://triumph-herald.us
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Kantarjiev <cak at dimebank.com>
> 
> 
> In some parts of the world, the hot setup for Spitfire differentials is the
> Datsun 510 diff ... which looks remarkably like the Subaru diff of recent
> years. I don't know the details, but I bet you can find out from some of the
> clubs down under.
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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Mon Jan 11 14:53:03 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:53:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Differentials
In-Reply-To: <4B4B76C5.3070309@dimebank.com>
Message-ID: <20100111215303.5W3NL.83139.root@cdptpa-web07-z01>

If nothing else......GT6 Steve, makes a terrific conversion using the Datsun 510/240Z halfshafts in a GT6/Spitfire. 

Bob Davis

---- Chris Kantarjiev <cak at dimebank.com> wrote: 
> In some parts of the world, the hot setup for Spitfire differentials is the Datsun 510 diff ... 
> which looks remarkably like the Subaru diff of recent years. I don't know the details, but I bet you 
> can find out from some of the clubs down under.
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From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Tue Jan 12 11:48:34 2010
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:48:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Harland Sharp Roller Rockers
Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A696EB8@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>

Afternoon Members,

I posted a list a few days ago about how my engine builder didn't want
to use the Harland Sharp roller rockers I had purchased for my 1300
Spitfire vintage racer and that I wanted to sell them. He said they were
all over the place as far as dimensions etc.

Well seems I stirred up a hornet's nest of folks wanting to buy them and
also the manufacturer and Ted that distributes them too!

Anyway after getting the rockers I just sent them on to my builder,
never looked at them. He never looked at them either and when it was
time to use them this came up!  Last night he and I spoke on the phone
and he did some measurements. First off there isn't any off set in the
arm???  Then the shaft is 5/8" not 1/2". Seems we were shipped the wrong
parts maybe for MG???

Anyway Harland Sharp and Ted want them back ASAP and have told me they
will take care of getting me the right stuff too. Good customer service
I say!!!!!!!!!!!!

So I wanted to post that is seems this is a total SNAFU that is no
body's fault, just stuff that happens occasionally and will get resolved
shortly. If we (Me, Ted and Harland Sharp) find out different we'll be
sure to let you know.

Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax
www.dieselperformanceparts.com


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jan 12 20:49:47 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:49:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
Message-ID: <20100113035001.6764F18766B@autox.team.net>

Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual 
shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP 
bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's 
1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the 
dimensions (length) I could try to cross reference the engines that 
ARP lists main cap bolts for.

Thanks in advance,
Tony Drews


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Tue Jan 12 21:15:13 2010
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:15:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
Message-ID: <628916.18962.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Lister's: Is there anyone on the list who has taken TR7 gears and installed them into a Spitfire single rail box? If so, what are the in's and out's of the swap? 
Thanks in advance - Ed 


From srcypher at mac.com  Tue Jan 12 22:17:59 2010
From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott.Cypher)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 05:17:59 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
Message-ID: <1718385147-1263359924-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-91627234-@bda497.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

A variant of this mod is to get the input shaft of the 4sd tr7 trans modified to match a sing rail spit input shaft.  I have one a prior owner modified this way.


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Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: of	Triumph, Friends
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
Sent: Jan 12, 2010 23:15

Lister's: Is there anyone on the list who has taken TR7 gears and installed them into a Spitfire single rail box? If so, what are the in's and out's of the swap? 
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Tue Jan 12 22:29:44 2010
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:29:44 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
References: <20100113035001.6764F18766B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <68D04AE0917B4286B96D90C6B03C7667@Pendys>

Tony, All bolts measure 3.425 w/o washer, washer measures .150. This set i 
have appear to be stock. Mark
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:49 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP


> Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual shows 
> 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP bolts you 
> would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's 1/2" longer to 
> allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the dimensions (length) I 
> could try to cross reference the engines that ARP lists main cap bolts 
> for.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tony Drews
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From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 13 05:48:36 2010
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 04:48:36 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
Message-ID: <16435517.1263386916728.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I have had the TR7 input shafts splined to match a Spit then had them hardened. It was a bit expensive but better than the old way of welding them together.  I do have a great Dog Box for the Spits.  Joe 


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>From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
>Sent: Jan 12, 2010 8:15 PM
>To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
>
>Lister's: Is there anyone on the list who has taken TR7 gears and installed them into a Spitfire single rail box? If so, what are the in's and out's of the swap? 
>Thanks in advance - Ed 
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From limeyv8 at aol.com  Wed Jan 13 07:55:18 2010
From: limeyv8 at aol.com (limeyv8 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:55:18 EST
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
Message-ID: <4d77.46839f9b.387f38d6@aol.com>

I have a TR7 4 speed gearbox I'd love to get rid of - if anybody is looking 
 for one to do this with.
 
Cheers,
Jack Mc
 
 
In a message dated 1/12/2010 11:22:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
edwardbarnard at prodigy.net writes:

Lister's: Is there anyone on the list who has taken TR7 gears and  
installed them into a Spitfire single rail box? If so, what are the in's and  out's 
of the swap? 
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From gasket.works at verizon.net  Wed Jan 13 08:01:19 2010
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:01:19 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
References: <20100113035001.6764F18766B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <003601ca9461$43ff64f0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

What I did was just measure the entire legnth of the bolt and added a bit 
(can't recall) ... went to my local fastener place 
www.specialty-fasteners.com  and asked for off the shelf studs and wavy 
washers with 12 point nuts.  Never an issue since.


Mordy

M.N.Dunst
Gasket Works USA, LLC
www.Headgasket.com
626.358.1616 ph
626.628.3777 fx

Triple R Munitions, Inc.
Class 6  Certified F.F.L.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:49 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP


> Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual shows 
> 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP bolts you 
> would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's 1/2" longer to 
> allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the dimensions (length) I 
> could try to cross reference the engines that ARP lists main cap bolts 
> for.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tony Drews
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From bkahler1 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 08:08:40 2010
From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:08:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <628916.18962.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <628916.18962.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f99bbf591001130708t1bc72565pd0a6b015ddb1a87f@mail.gmail.com>

There is a way to use the gears inside a Spitfire gearbox utilizing
the Spitfire input shaft I'd sure like to hear about it as well.
Using a TR7 gearbox is high on the list of things to do to Susan's
spitfire.

Brad


On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:15 PM, EDWARD BARNARD
<edwardbarnard at prodigy.net> wrote:
> Lister's: Is there anyone on the list who has taken TR7 gears and installed them into a Spitfire single rail box? If so, what are the in's and out's of the swap?
> Thanks in advance - Ed
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Wed Jan 13 08:50:06 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:50:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <f99bbf591001130708t1bc72565pd0a6b015ddb1a87f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <628916.18962.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<f99bbf591001130708t1bc72565pd0a6b015ddb1a87f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6512C01E-02DD-4CAC-B246-5A91BF3DB77C@comcast.net>

John at Quantum Mechanics has built GT6 boxes with TR7 gears, better  
bushings, etc.
he claims they are sturdier construction than a stock GT6 box, though  
I still managed to destroy one.

On Jan 13, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Brad Kahler wrote:

There is a way to use the gears inside a Spitfire gearbox utilizing
the Spitfire input shaft I'd sure like to hear about it as well.
Using a TR7 gearbox is high on the list of things to do to Susan's
spitfire.

Brad


From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Jan 13 09:54:05 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:54:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <6512C01E-02DD-4CAC-B246-5A91BF3DB77C@comcast.net>
References: <628916.18962.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com><f99bbf591001130708t1bc72565pd0a6b015ddb1a87f@mail.gmail.com>
	<6512C01E-02DD-4CAC-B246-5A91BF3DB77C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4AF5FBF91661464D9E7E7F272B623A6B@joepentiumnew>

 I have never seen a TR7 box disassembled but I am pretty sure that the gear
on the input shaft is different from the one on the Spitfire single rail.
Therefore, unless someone has manufactured a Spitfire sized input shaft with
the TR7 gear on it, I doubt this will be possible. 

Joe                                                       

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:50 AM
Cc: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire

John at Quantum Mechanics has built GT6 boxes with TR7 gears, better  
bushings, etc.
he claims they are sturdier construction than a stock GT6 box, though  
I still managed to destroy one.

On Jan 13, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Brad Kahler wrote:

There is a way to use the gears inside a Spitfire gearbox utilizing
the Spitfire input shaft I'd sure like to hear about it as well.
Using a TR7 gearbox is high on the list of things to do to Susan's
spitfire.

Brad
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From harmug at us.ibm.com  Wed Jan 13 14:45:11 2010
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:45:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1263409201.32309.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF355C4156.C55A6387-ON852576AA.007705F9-852576AA.00777C44@us.ibm.com>

John at Quantum Mechanics makes TR7 gear set, close ratio, full syncro
conversions for Spitfires that come in a standard single rail case. I'm
happy with mine, I've had it for about a year.

http://www.quantumechanics.com/
mike


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Wed Jan 13 15:43:29 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:43:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
In-Reply-To: <615306.84777.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <615306.84777.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B4E4C91.6020609@blacksburg.net>

On 1/13/2010 8:41 AM, A Daniel Cronin wrote:
> Gang,
> would hope this information is shared with the remainder of the list!!
>
> Regards,
> Dan Cronin
>
ARP bolts for the TR4 mains are HAR 3.500-5, while the washers are 
200-8513.

For folks who haven't used ARP hardware before, they recommend cycling 
(torque/loosen) new hardware 5 times before the final torque.

jim

>
>
> --- On *Tue, 1/12/10, J.C. Hassall /<jhassall at blacksburg.net>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: J.C. Hassall <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
>     Subject: Re: [TR] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
>     To: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
>     Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net, jhassall at vt.edu
>     Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 11:09 PM
>
>     On 1/12/2010 10:52 PM, Tony Drews wrote:
>     > Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The
>     manual shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure
>     out what ARP bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and
>     also one that's 1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center
>     main.  If I had the dimensions (length) I could try to cross
>     reference the engines that ARP lists main cap bolts for.
>
>     Tony, 3.5 inches under the head.  I can give you the ARP number
>     tomorrow, but don't have access to my build log right now.
>
>     jim
>


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Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jan 13 16:03:21 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:03:21 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
In-Reply-To: <20100113035001.6764F18766B@autox.team.net>
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Tony,
I don't know the dimensions, but the ARP part no. 200-6021 for the 
replacement bolts for stock rods.  They come in packages of two. Highly 
recommended.
Larry Young

Tony Drews wrote:
> Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual 
> shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP 
> bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's 
> 1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the 
> dimensions (length) I could try to cross reference the engines that 
> ARP lists main cap bolts for.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tony Drews
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jan 13 16:04:23 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:04:23 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
In-Reply-To: <4B4E1A40.40104@pobox.com>
References: <20100113035001.6764F18766B@autox.team.net>
	<4B4E1A40.40104@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <4B4E5177.3080604@pobox.com>

Oops, you said mains, I was thinking rods.  Sorry.

Larry Young wrote:
> Tony,
> I don't know the dimensions, but the ARP part no. 200-6021 are the 
> replacement bolts for stock rods.  They come in packages of two. 
> Highly recommended.
> Larry Young
>
> Tony Drews wrote:
>> Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual 
>> shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP 
>> bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's 
>> 1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the 
>> dimensions (length) I could try to cross reference the engines that 
>> ARP lists main cap bolts for.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Tony Drews
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Jan 13 18:08:20 2010
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:08:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Henry Frye
In-Reply-To: <818324346.8741301263430562289.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Hello everyone, 
I'd like to give recognition to Henry for contributing a great little article about the Portland Kastner Cup race in the latest issue of The Vintage Triumph. He mentions many details of the weekends racing and reminds me of the quality of camaraderie shared in the paddock. Henry is obviously excellent at many things including the barbecue. Thanks Henry. The Vintage Triumph is the publication of The Vintage Triumph Register. There were also a few good photos by Chuck Arnold and the Kastner Cup race results. 


Dave Hogye 


From igofaster at att.net  Wed Jan 13 18:22:12 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:22:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <6512C01E-02DD-4CAC-B246-5A91BF3DB77C@comcast.net>
References: <628916.18962.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<f99bbf591001130708t1bc72565pd0a6b015ddb1a87f@mail.gmail.com>
	<6512C01E-02DD-4CAC-B246-5A91BF3DB77C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <250224.49824.qm@web180706.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I too have destroyed a gearbox or two from Quantum... 

I did talk to Ric Cline today (thanks Bob Davis for referencing) and he's THE MAN that raced the GT6's in SCCA... He stated he had better luck with the GT6 gearbox but he always 'double clutched'... even stated he went through several TR4-6 tranny's and the GT6 box was better... I haven't been so fortunate even though I'm not running hard..
John @ Quantum is building me a TR6 gearbox with close ratio gears for my GT6... he has honored every problem I've had with his stuff but maaaaaan..... can I get a gearbox that will last,,,,, the world may never know,,,   (don't mind the Toyota T-50 in my car right now)

Bobby Whitehead
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Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 9:50:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 tranny for Spitfire

John at Quantum Mechanics has built GT6 boxes with TR7 gears, better  
bushings, etc.
he claims they are sturdier construction than a stock GT6 box, though  
I still managed to destroy one.

On Jan 13, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Brad Kahler wrote:

There is a way to use the gears inside a Spitfire gearbox utilizing
the Spitfire input shaft I'd sure like to hear about it as well.
Using a TR7 gearbox is high on the list of things to do to Susan's
spitfire.

Brad
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Wed Jan 13 19:23:53 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:23:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
In-Reply-To: <4B4E4C91.6020609@blacksburg.net>
References: <615306.84777.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4B4E4C91.6020609@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <4B4E8039.3010908@blacksburg.net>

On 1/13/2010 5:43 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote:
> ARP bolts for the TR4 mains are HAR 3.500-5, while the washers are
> 200-8513.
>
> For folks who haven't used ARP hardware before, they recommend cycling
> (torque/loosen) new hardware 5 times before the final torque.
>
> jim
>
>    
Crap, I meant to mention that the 5 cycle issue is only for the first time ARP hardware is used with old threads.  Also, the torque for the mains is 95 lb-ft.

jim

>> --- On *Tue, 1/12/10, J.C. Hassall /<jhassall at blacksburg.net>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>>      From: J.C. Hassall<jhassall at blacksburg.net>
>>      Subject: Re: [TR] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
>>      To: "Tony Drews"<tony at tonydrews.com>
>>      Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net, jhassall at vt.edu
>>      Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 11:09 PM
>>
>>      On 1/12/2010 10:52 PM, Tony Drews wrote:
>>      >  Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The
>>      manual shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure
>>      out what ARP bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and
>>      also one that's 1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center
>>      main.  If I had the dimensions (length) I could try to cross
>>      reference the engines that ARP lists main cap bolts for.
>>
>>      Tony, 3.5 inches under the head.  I can give you the ARP number
>>      tomorrow, but don't have access to my build log right now.
>>
>>      jim
>>
>>      

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From jaboruch at netzero.net  Wed Jan 13 19:31:48 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:31:48 GMT
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main Strapping
Message-ID: <20100113.213148.15775.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>

I have already seen the bolt information posted, but I am curious why strap
the center main?  I have heard of others doing it, but not sure what it will
help with.  I run 13.6 CR, and have my rev limiter set at 7300 rpm and have
not had any unusual bearing wear.  What am I missing?  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:49:47 -0600

Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual
shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP
bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's
1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the
dimensions (length) I could try to cross reference the engines that
ARP lists main cap bolts for.

Thanks in advance,
Tony Drews

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From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jan 13 19:54:26 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:54:26 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Henry Frye
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Not only are Henry and his charming wife Helen a credit to the FOT, but he is
a fine hand at barbecuing lamb, a generous guest (loved the wine bud--it's now
one of our very favorites) and a tireless helping hand. Henry, it's good to
know you.

Incidentally, if you happen to be in Maui and see this rig, be sure to flag me
down.

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On Jan 13, 2010, at 3:08 PM, davehogye wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> I'd like to give recognition to Henry for contributing a great little
article about the Portland Kastner Cup race in the latest issue of The Vintage
Triumph. He mentions many details of the weekends racing and reminds me of the
quality of camaraderie shared in the paddock. Henry is obviously excellent at
many things including the barbecue. Thanks Henry. The Vintage Triumph is the
publication of The Vintage Triumph Register. There were also a few good photos
by Chuck Arnold and the Kastner Cup race results.
>
>
> Dave Hogye
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jan 13 19:57:19 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:57:19 -1000
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main Strapping
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Probably belt and suspenders, but for the small amount of work and weight, why
not. At least one of my motors has it, and hasn't blown yet. Of course it's a
lot like my elephant repellant. Haven't seen any elephants, must be working.

On Jan 13, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Joe Boruch wrote:

> I have already seen the bolt information posted, but I am curious why strap
> the center main?  I have heard of others doing it, but not sure what it
will
> help with.  I run 13.6 CR, and have my rev limiter set at 7300 rpm and have
> not had any unusual bearing wear.  What am I missing?  Joe(B)
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:49:47 -0600
>
> Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual
> shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP
> bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's
> 1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the
> dimensions (length) I could try to cross reference the engines that
> ARP lists main cap bolts for.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tony Drews
>
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 13 20:01:59 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:01:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
In-Reply-To: <4B4E5139.6080507@pobox.com>
References: <20100113035001.6764F18766B@autox.team.net>
	<4B4E5139.6080507@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <EE11D9E5-B118-4107-BC36-CAB8003EF82F@earthlink.net>

I've have a set of 8 of these [ARP rod bolts] new in the package if  
anyone wants them for my cost... maybe a little less. Don't remember  
what I payed and I'm a couple years late in sending them back, but  
let me know if interested.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Jan 13, 2010, at 4:03 PM, Larry Young wrote:

> Tony,
> I don't know the dimensions, but the ARP part no. 200-6021 for the
> replacement bolts for stock rods.  They come in packages of two.  
> Highly
> recommended.
> Larry Young
>
> Tony Drews wrote:
>> Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual
>> shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP
>> bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's
>> 1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the
>> dimensions (length) I could try to cross reference the engines that
>> ARP lists main cap bolts for.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Tony Drews
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 13 20:15:12 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:15:12 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Henry Frye
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Haven't seen the article, but I've got a hunch Henry could have been  
a bit understated in his TRrific efforts.
Did I remember to say thanks Henry?
[anyone want to scan it/send it?]
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Jan 13, 2010, at 6:08 PM, davehogye wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> I'd like to give recognition to Henry for contributing a great  
> little article about the Portland Kastner Cup race in the latest  
> issue of The Vintage Triumph. He mentions many details of the  
> weekends racing and reminds me of the quality of camaraderie shared  
> in the paddock. Henry is obviously excellent at many things  
> including the barbecue. Thanks Henry. The Vintage Triumph is the  
> publication of The Vintage Triumph Register. There were also a few  
> good photos by Chuck Arnold and the Kastner Cup race results.
>
>
> Dave Hogye


From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 13 22:08:16 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:08:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 accusump plumbing
Message-ID: <776706.15274.qm@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Can the accusump be plumbed into one of the oil galley ports on the side of
the engine? 


From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Jan 13 23:01:23 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:01:23 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 accusump plumbing
In-Reply-To: <776706.15274.qm@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <776706.15274.qm@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100114060140.3086118764B@autox.team.net>

That's supposed to be the best way to do it.  It bypasses other 
sources of oil pressure loss like the oil cooler and filter that way.

- Tony

At 11:08 PM 1/13/2010, you wrote:
>Can the accusump be plumbed into one of the oil galley ports on the side of
>the engine?
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jan 13 23:14:04 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:14:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 accusump plumbing
In-Reply-To: <776706.15274.qm@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <776706.15274.qm@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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Yes but you have to drill and tap for a -8 or -10 fitting
Jim g

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> Can the accusump be plumbed into one of the oil galley ports on the  
> side of
> the engine?
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Jan 14 06:13:33 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:13:33 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 accusump plumbing
In-Reply-To: <8C592C7C-619C-4D92-9866-B1191A8205E8@comcast.net>
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Or an NPT fitting and use an adaptor to AN.  It's easier to find a tap,
that way.

Scott

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From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jim Gray
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:14 AM
To: Mike Mehl
Cc: Triumph Friends of
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 accusump plumbing

Yes but you have to drill and tap for a -8 or -10 fitting
Jim g

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From mlcooknj at msn.com  Thu Jan 14 08:03:24 2010
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:03:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Henry Frye
In-Reply-To: <4F15AAEC-F508-4733-930D-D3FD4DCC9659@earthlink.net>
References: <509370009.8745471263431300936.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>,
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Message-ID: <BAY136-W10F3620E3CAA951266D221C86A0@phx.gbl>

Anyone who wants to read Henry's contributions to The Vintage Triumph (and a
lot of other good stuff) can always join the Vintage Triumph Register. Six
issues of TVT, a good website and lots of interesting fellow members ... $35/
year!



Mike Cook

> From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net
> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:15:12 -0700
> To: dlhogye at comcast.net; henry at henryfrye.com
> CC: Fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Thanks to Henry Frye
>
> Haven't seen the article, but I've got a hunch Henry could have been
> a bit understated in his TRrific efforts.
> Did I remember to say thanks Henry?
> [anyone want to scan it/send it?]
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
> On Jan 13, 2010, at 6:08 PM, davehogye wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone,
> > I'd like to give recognition to Henry for contributing a great
> > little article about the Portland Kastner Cup race in the latest
> > issue of The Vintage Triumph. He mentions many details of the
> > weekends racing and reminds me of the quality of camaraderie shared
> > in the paddock. Henry is obviously excellent at many things
> > including the barbecue. Thanks Henry. The Vintage Triumph is the
> > publication of The Vintage Triumph Register. There were also a few
> > good photos by Chuck Arnold and the Kastner Cup race results.
> >
> >
> > Dave Hogye
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From triosan at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 09:10:13 2010
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:10:13 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR4 accusump plumbing
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701D85@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <776706.15274.qm@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<8C592C7C-619C-4D92-9866-B1191A8205E8@comcast.net>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701D85@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d1001140810o4d817708u4ff4202098396cc5@mail.gmail.com>

OR do it like I [after Kas and GTSteve] did:  I have a one way valve
coming out of the oil cooler thermostat housing.  That connects to a
"T" fitting.  One end of the "T" goes to the Accusump.  The other end
goes to a fuel distributor that has an 1/2 inch NPT input a input and
6 3/8 npt outputs. Five of these outputs is hooked to  AN4 fittings.
Each of the 5 Galley plugs [TR6}, which are 1/8 npt, also have AN4
fittings.  Hoses then goe from the distributor to the galley.  There
is no hose back from the T to the oil filter.  All the return oil goes
into the galleys [per Kas suggestion when I discussed my number 6 rod
failure with him at the CRC].

Chuck

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
> Or an NPT fitting and use an adaptor to AN.  It's easier to find a tap,
> that way.
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Jim Gray
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:14 AM
> To: Mike Mehl
> Cc: Triumph Friends of
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 accusump plumbing
>
> Yes but you have to drill and tap for a -8 or -10 fitting
> Jim g
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2010, at 10:08 PM, Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Can the accusump be plumbed into one of the oil galley ports on the
>> side of
>> the engine?
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 13:10:33 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:10:33 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Dash
Message-ID: <65f1eaba1001141210y48939835v1941a4f4cb1b6304@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have an original dash panel for a TR4? I'm looking for the
original white painted fascia with the black surround around the
instruments. Feel free to contact me off list.

-- 
Very truly yours,

John Nikas
Cape Coventry Racing
www.capecoventryracing.com
(949) 375-6306


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Jan 14 19:18:26 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:18:26 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP
In-Reply-To: <20100113035001.6764F18766B@autox.team.net>
References: <20100113035001.6764F18766B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <002901ca9589$06748c40$135da4c0$@com>

I'm just taking the crank out today and measured the main cap bolts.  They
are the original Triumph bolts as they are stamped "SPARTS" on the heads.
The dimensions from the bottom of the hex head to the end of the bolts are;
3.420
3.430
3.420
3.450
3.400
3.445
as measured with a calipers.

On a side note, when we took the clutch and flywheel off there was NO oil
whatsoever at the rear main bearing seal.  Completely dry.  When I pounded
the felt pieces soaked in Indian head in with the trapezoidal punches I
made, I had felt coming out between the main cap and the block on both sides
almost the entire length.  I also used the Moss mandrel to locate the
aluminum bearing pieces.  That's after I turned the mandrel down to the
correct diameter.  It was too large as received and would have left a gap in
the aluminum seal.  The downside of this is that the rear bearing block came
out REALLY hard.  Broke my 1/4-20 pushers and had to modify the pusher block
to use 3/8-24 bolts to get it out.  But it did seal, just as Kas said it
would in his e-mails and book!!

Tim Murphy
1961 TR4 #317

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:50 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 main cap bolts / ARP

Anyone have info on dimensions for TR-4 main cap bolts?  The manual 
shows 1/2" UNC but not the length.  I'm trying to figure out what ARP 
bolts you would buy to replace the stock bolts, and also one that's 
1/2" longer to allow for "strapping" the center main.  If I had the 
dimensions (length) I could try to cross reference the engines that 
ARP lists main cap bolts for.

Thanks in advance,
Tony Drews
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Thu Jan 14 20:07:21 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:07:21 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Bellhousings
Message-ID: <89C8323E11B44CF5B3549B996D384230@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

I've got two of the aluminum bellhousings that came with my race car when I
bought it.  They are quite a bit different, different flange to engine
thickness, different ribbing, etc.  The heavier of the two is cracked in
several spots, most likely from what appears to be sheared flywheel bolts
and the flywheel floating around loose inside the bellhousing.

I'm going to be on the lookout for a second bellhousing to replace the
broken one and carry as a spare.  Does anyone know what cars these
originally came off of to aid me in my search?  Thanks in advance.

Jim Norlin


From cwnfot at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 21:00:51 2010
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:00:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Bellhousings
In-Reply-To: <89C8323E11B44CF5B3549B996D384230@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
References: <89C8323E11B44CF5B3549B996D384230@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <01c301ca9597$551f85d0$ff5e9170$@com>

I think they were all on Heralds.
I'm sure Andy Mace will supply the information!
One of the "heavy duty" ones sold recently on ebay for $150

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration)
"Reality, it's not what you think."


From robertten1 at aol.com  Thu Jan 14 21:35:27 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:35:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Bellhousings
In-Reply-To: <01c301ca9597$551f85d0$ff5e9170$@com>
References: <89C8323E11B44CF5B3549B996D384230@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<01c301ca9597$551f85d0$ff5e9170$@com>
Message-ID: <8CC63B34BF53053-24B0-11B35@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com>

 They are available from Canley Classics.  Just a note DON'T use the thinner
version, they crack and break easily under race conditions.


My $.02
Bob T








-----Original Message-----
From: Clark W. Nicholls <cwnfot at gmail.com>
To: 'Norlin Engineering' <norlinengineering at comcast.net>; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2010 11:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Bellhousings


I think they were all on Heralds.
I'm sure Andy Mace will supply the information!
One of the "heavy duty" ones sold recently on ebay for $150

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
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From henry at henryfrye.com  Fri Jan 15 04:12:17 2010
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 06:12:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Henry Frye
In-Reply-To: <7993FDEA-539A-4AF2-A2A4-035930D0FD7A@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805056477@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local>

No problem, guys, you're quite welcome.

Just doing what I like to do...


From rkrantz77 at comcast.net  Fri Jan 15 05:07:36 2010
From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:07:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Bellhousings
In-Reply-To: <89C8323E11B44CF5B3549B996D384230@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <1055245270.12297691263557256848.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

The thin castings were on Heralds and the thick ones were on the early
Spitfires that came into the USA.

Ron K

ReK Racing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:07:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Bellhousings

I've got two of the aluminum bellhousings that came with my race car when I
bought it. B They are quite a bit different, different flange to engine
thickness, different ribbing, etc. B The heavier of the two is cracked in
several spots, most likely from what appears to be sheared flywheel bolts
and the flywheel floating around loose inside the bellhousing.

I'm going to be on the lookout for a second bellhousing to replace the
broken one and carry as a spare. B Does anyone know what cars these
originally came off of to aid me in my search? B Thanks in advance.

Jim Norlin
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From herald948 at aol.com  Fri Jan 15 07:16:39 2010
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:16:39 EST
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Bellhousings
Message-ID: <1e640.9c4ddb4.3881d2c7@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/14/2010 11:40:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
robertten1 at aol.com writes:

They are  available from Canley Classics.  Just a note DON'T use the  
thinner
version, they crack and break easily under race  conditions.
 
==AM==
Right! There are at least two versions. The one with fewer "ribs" and a  
very thin flange was used on the 948 and some early 1200 Heralds. The one with 
 more "ribs" and a thicker flange appeared on some early Spitfire 4 models; 
 I'm not sure how long it was used on the Spitfire, but I suspect it was 
largely  replaced by the cast iron version by the mid-1960s.
 
I've at least one of each, not counting what's on various cars I have  
about the place. They do take a fair bit of abuse...to a point (I've got one  
with a tiny hole or two resulting from the self-destruction of a pressure 
plate  in my Herald).  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph 
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Fri Jan 15 13:20:51 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
Message-ID: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net>

has anyone had good or bad experiences with these?  Thinking about  
replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.

I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search  
the archives by subject?


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 16 08:13:35 2010
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:13:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
In-Reply-To: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net>
References: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W34400F27AB45EE25666076BA680@phx.gbl>

I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would definitely do it
again. Good stuff.

Marty

> From: s.janzen at comcast.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
> Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>
> has anyone had good or bad experiences with these?  Thinking about
> replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>
> I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
> the archives by subject?
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Sat Jan 16 09:20:34 2010
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:20:34 -0800
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
References: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net>
	<BAY123-W34400F27AB45EE25666076BA680@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <668FE02A1E1747448773071DA00CDF8F@Pendys>

Guess i'm outta the loop here, how do i/we get more info. on this product, 
Mark P.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets


>I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would definitely do 
>it
> again. Good stuff.
>
> Marty
>
>> From: s.janzen at comcast.net
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
>> Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>
>> has anyone had good or bad experiences with these?  Thinking about
>> replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>>
>> I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
>> the archives by subject?
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Jan 16 10:40:41 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:40:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
In-Reply-To: <668FE02A1E1747448773071DA00CDF8F@Pendys>
References: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net>
	<BAY123-W34400F27AB45EE25666076BA680@phx.gbl>
	<668FE02A1E1747448773071DA00CDF8F@Pendys>
Message-ID: <20100116174121.BAC3F187652@autox.team.net>

This is probably a good place to start:
http://jmwagnersales.com/

Works with the stock valve cover, not the aluminum one as I 
recall.  The folks who have them seem to love them.  You really need 
to have the engine cool to install the valve cover with this gasket 
in place - the heat expands the gasket and makes things difficult for 
installation.  So, if you're frequently pulling the valve cover 
between sessions at the track it's a bit of a challenge.  Otherwise, 
it's a nice solution.

- Tony Drews

At 10:20 AM 1/16/2010, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>Guess i'm outta the loop here, how do i/we get more info. on this 
>product, Mark P.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
>To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:13 AM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>
>
>>I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would definitely do it
>>again. Good stuff.
>>
>>Marty
>>
>>>From: s.janzen at comcast.net
>>>To: fot at autox.team.net
>>>Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
>>>Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>>
>>>has anyone had good or bad experiences with these?  Thinking about
>>>replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>>>
>>>I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
>>>the archives by subject?


From triosan at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 10:57:51 2010
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:57:51 -0800
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
In-Reply-To: <20100116174121.BAC3F187652@autox.team.net>
References: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net>
	<BAY123-W34400F27AB45EE25666076BA680@phx.gbl>
	<668FE02A1E1747448773071DA00CDF8F@Pendys>
	<20100116174121.BAC3F187652@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d1001160957l18a142aex5313e3ab13983311@mail.gmail.com>

I use these for the 6 cylinder with non-stock valve cover:

Had very good luck with one a guy sells on ebay all the time.
Glue it to the cover so if you have to have head work done you do not
lose it [ask me how I know].
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220296018075&ss
PageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

vendor name is roadstergaskets

Chuck

On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> This is probably a good place to start:
> http://jmwagnersales.com/
>
> Works with the stock valve cover, not the aluminum one as I recall.  The
> folks who have them seem to love them.  You really need to have the engine
> cool to install the valve cover with this gasket in place - the heat
expands
> the gasket and makes things difficult for installation.  So, if you're
> frequently pulling the valve cover between sessions at the track it's a bit
> of a challenge.  Otherwise, it's a nice solution.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 10:20 AM 1/16/2010, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>>
>> Guess i'm outta the loop here, how do i/we get more info. on this product,
>> Mark P.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>
>>
>>> I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would definitely
>>> do it
>>> again. Good stuff.
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
>>>> From: s.janzen at comcast.net
>>>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>>>> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
>>>> Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>>>
>>>> has anyone had good or bad experiences with these?  Thinking about
>>>> replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>>>>
>>>> I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
>>>> the archives by subject?
>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 16 15:13:01 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:13:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
In-Reply-To: <668FE02A1E1747448773071DA00CDF8F@Pendys>
References: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net><BAY123-W34400F27AB45EE25666076BA680@phx.gbl>
	<668FE02A1E1747448773071DA00CDF8F@Pendys>
Message-ID: <8CC651033F27B65-2918-1602D@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com>

I only  use Justin's Gaskets....you only have to buy them once.

Happy user for over ten years






-----Original Message-----
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To: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>; Scott Janzen <s.janzen at comcast.net>;
FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:20 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets


Guess i'm outta the loop here, how do i/we get more info. on this product,
Mark P.
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To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets

>I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would definitely do
>it
> again. Good stuff.
>
> Marty
>
>> From: s.janzen at comcast.net
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
>> Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>
>> has anyone had good or bad experiences with these? Thinking about
>> replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>>
>> I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
>> the archives by subject?
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sat Jan 16 22:42:56 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:42:56 -0800
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
In-Reply-To: <20100116174121.BAC3F187652@autox.team.net>
References: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net>
	<BAY123-W34400F27AB45EE25666076BA680@phx.gbl>
	<668FE02A1E1747448773071DA00CDF8F@Pendys>
	<20100116174121.BAC3F187652@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4B52A360.2080109@greenheart.com>

If you need to remove the valve cover on a hot engine, just make sure 
you have a bucket of ice water standing by....  If you soak the gasket 
in ice water, it will shrink and be far easier to re-install.   My own 
tests showed that this shrunk the gasket further than sticking it in a 
freezer.   Go figure!  

You could glue the gasket to the valve cover with RTV silicone gasket 
maker.   I didn't recommend it (for the 4 banger TRs) over the years, as 
I felt, in theory, the gasket might not last as long.   However, it's 
mandatory for the TR6 type gaskets and it has worked out well.   You 
could give it a try.  I would be interested to hear how it worked for you.

The gaskets don't work with alloy covers.  (Though I learned when I was 
in England, that one of the works TR4's has one installed under an alloy 
cover.  Nevertheless, I don't recommend it.)

FOT.... remember... you all get $10 off gaskets for your Race Cars.  
I've been offering that since the gaskets and FOT were born.

--Justin





Tony Drews wrote:

> This is probably a good place to start:
> http://jmwagnersales.com/
>
> Works with the stock valve cover, not the aluminum one as I recall.  
> The folks who have them seem to love them.  You really need to have 
> the engine cool to install the valve cover with this gasket in place - 
> the heat expands the gasket and makes things difficult for 
> installation.  So, if you're frequently pulling the valve cover 
> between sessions at the track it's a bit of a challenge.  Otherwise, 
> it's a nice solution.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 10:20 AM 1/16/2010, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>
>> Guess i'm outta the loop here, how do i/we get more info. on this 
>> product, Mark P.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>
>>
>>> I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would 
>>> definitely do it
>>> again. Good stuff.
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
>>>> From: s.janzen at comcast.net
>>>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>>>> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
>>>> Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>>>
>>>> has anyone had good or bad experiences with these?  Thinking about
>>>> replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>>>>
>>>> I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
>>>> the archives by subject?
>>>
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sat Jan 16 22:42:58 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:42:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
Message-ID: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>

Question;

At what point did we start
using F1 to describe the cars
in lieu of Grand Prix.

Pre - wing cars would include
the Lotus 49 but exclude the
49B.

Or would it be pre-carbon
fiber & driver aid cars.

jim g


From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat Jan 16 22:46:49 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:46:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
In-Reply-To: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
References: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS61B332FEC6448452AB503C3670@phx.gbl>

I still call them Grand Prix cars.

That is what they are after all, even if they are now ugly as sin and do much
of the work for the driver.

Terry Stetler
  ----- Original Message -----
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  To: Friends of triumph<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 12:42 AM
  Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1


  Question;

  At what point did we start
  using F1 to describe the cars
  in lieu of Grand Prix.

  Pre - wing cars would include
  the Lotus 49 but exclude the
  49B.

  Or would it be pre-carbon
  fiber & driver aid cars.

  jim g
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sat Jan 16 22:48:42 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:48:42 -0800
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
In-Reply-To: <8CC651033F27B65-2918-1602D@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com>
References: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net><BAY123-W34400F27AB45EE25666076BA680@phx.gbl>
	<668FE02A1E1747448773071DA00CDF8F@Pendys>
	<8CC651033F27B65-2918-1602D@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B52A4BA.40807@greenheart.com>

That's the main problem with the gasket... the gasket first came out in 
1997 and I still haven't had a wave of second-round orders... the gasket 
lasts too long!
:-)

--Justin



n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:

>I only  use Justin's Gaskets....you only have to buy them once.
>
>Happy user for over ten years
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Pendergrass <mpendy at dishmail.net>
>To: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>; Scott Janzen <s.janzen at comcast.net>;
>FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:20 am
>Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>
>
>Guess i'm outta the loop here, how do i/we get more info. on this product,
>Mark P.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
>To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:13 AM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>
>  
>
>>I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would definitely do
>>it
>>again. Good stuff.
>>
>>Marty
>>
>>    
>>
>>>From: s.janzen at comcast.net
>>>To: fot at autox.team.net
>>>Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
>>>Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>>
>>>has anyone had good or bad experiences with these? Thinking about
>>>replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>>>
>>>I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
>>>the archives by subject?
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sat Jan 16 22:52:33 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:52:33 -0800
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d1001160957l18a142aex5313e3ab13983311@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B404186-7D84-44E7-AEAC-58D6F0FA5A1F@comcast.net>
	<BAY123-W34400F27AB45EE25666076BA680@phx.gbl>
	<668FE02A1E1747448773071DA00CDF8F@Pendys>
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	<8cbd782d1001160957l18a142aex5313e3ab13983311@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B52A5A1.60508@greenheart.com>

I agree... this is the guy to buy gaskets from if you have an alloy 
cover.  

Here's his website... you can order directly...
http://www.roadstergaskets.com/TR234.html

I think for the stock covers, my gaskets have him beat, but his flat 
gaskets are the bee's knees for alloys.

--Justin



Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:

>I use these for the 6 cylinder with non-stock valve cover:
>
>Had very good luck with one a guy sells on ebay all the time.
>Glue it to the cover so if you have to have head work done you do not
>lose it [ask me how I know].
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220296018075&ss
>PageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
>
>vendor name is roadstergaskets
>
>Chuck
>
>On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>This is probably a good place to start:
>>http://jmwagnersales.com/
>>
>>Works with the stock valve cover, not the aluminum one as I recall.  The
>>folks who have them seem to love them.  You really need to have the engine
>>cool to install the valve cover with this gasket in place - the heat
>>    
>>
>expands
>  
>
>>the gasket and makes things difficult for installation.  So, if you're
>>frequently pulling the valve cover between sessions at the track it's a bit
>>of a challenge.  Otherwise, it's a nice solution.
>>
>>- Tony Drews
>>
>>At 10:20 AM 1/16/2010, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Guess i'm outta the loop here, how do i/we get more info. on this product,
>>>Mark P.
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
>>>To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>>>Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:13 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would definitely
>>>>do it
>>>>again. Good stuff.
>>>>
>>>>Marty
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>From: s.janzen at comcast.net
>>>>>To: fot at autox.team.net
>>>>>Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
>>>>>Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>>>>
>>>>>has anyone had good or bad experiences with these?  Thinking about
>>>>>replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
>>>>>the archives by subject?
>>>>>          
>>>>>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan 17 03:36:43 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:36:43 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
In-Reply-To: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
References: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
Message-ID: <000901ca9760$f6c6aab0$e4540010$@com>

I have some old TV shows from the 60ties and listened to how they called the
cars:
The TV narrator called them F1-cars in year 65. Sorry that I don't have
earlier  shows.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Jim Gray
Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. Januar 2010 06:43
An: Friends of triumph
Betreff: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1

Question;

At what point did we start
using F1 to describe the cars
in lieu of Grand Prix.

Pre - wing cars would include
the Lotus 49 but exclude the
49B.

Or would it be pre-carbon
fiber & driver aid cars.

jim g
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 07:04:08 2010
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 06:04:08 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
In-Reply-To: <000901ca9760$f6c6aab0$e4540010$@com>
References: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
	<000901ca9760$f6c6aab0$e4540010$@com>
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I always thought "Grand Prix" was a family of vehicles with certain 
characteristics and that within the family umbrella you had the formula 
1, formula 2, formula-V, formula Ford & so on.  But then again I've 
never been a serious student of race car classification.

Teriann


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Sun Jan 17 07:51:37 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 08:51:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701DCD@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

I bought one from this same guy for my Spitfire (stock valve cover gasket) and have been very happy with it.

Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>
To: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
Cc: Triumph <6pack at autox.team.net>; FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat Jan 16 11:57:51 2010
Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets

I use these for the 6 cylinder with non-stock valve cover:

Had very good luck with one a guy sells on ebay all the time.
Glue it to the cover so if you have to have head work done you do not
lose it [ask me how I know].
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220296018075&ss
PageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

vendor name is roadstergaskets

Chuck

On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> This is probably a good place to start:
> http://jmwagnersales.com/
>
> Works with the stock valve cover, not the aluminum one as I recall.  The
> folks who have them seem to love them.  You really need to have the engine
> cool to install the valve cover with this gasket in place - the heat
expands
> the gasket and makes things difficult for installation.  So, if you're
> frequently pulling the valve cover between sessions at the track it's a bit
> of a challenge.  Otherwise, it's a nice solution.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 10:20 AM 1/16/2010, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>>
>> Guess i'm outta the loop here, how do i/we get more info. on this product,
>> Mark P.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>
>>
>>> I have one of Justin Wagner's gaskets on my engine and would definitely
>>> do it
>>> again. Good stuff.
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
>>>> From: s.janzen at comcast.net
>>>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>>>> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:51 -0500
>>>> Subject: [Fot] silicone Valve Cover Gaskets
>>>>
>>>> has anyone had good or bad experiences with these?  Thinking about
>>>> replacing the leaky cork one on my GT6 - it does have an alloy cover.
>>>>
>>>> I'm guessing this has been discussed before - is there a way to search
>>>> the archives by subject?
>
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From billdentin at aol.com  Sun Jan 17 08:58:28 2010
From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:58:28 EST
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
Message-ID: <15ad8.51e66b16.38848da4@aol.com>

In a message dated 01/16/2010 11:47:01 PM Central Standard Time, 
tlizzard at msn.com writes:


> That is what they are after all, even if they are now ugly as sin and do 
> much
> of the work for the driver.
> 
> 

Terry...

I took that same slant, but down a different road one time when I presented 
a question to David Hobbs, who was speaking at a VSCDA banquet I attended.  
As you might know, his family was involved in the manufacture of automatic 
transmissions and they were even used in race cars.  The thought of 
automatic transmissions in race cars fascinated me, since serious arthritis has 
become such an issue in my hips and knees.  But I presented the question similar 
to your take, suggesting modern drivers have cars that do much work for 
them.  Hobbs came back quickly, and without taking a breath.  He said, "At the 
speeds they are going now, they had better have cars that are helping them 
do their work."  

Incidentally, David Hobbs raced against the Tornado (TR3) Thunder Bolt back 
in England in the old days.  And in fact has a picture of it on the wall 
behind his desk at his Honda Dealership here near Milwaukee.  Granted his 
Lotus is in front of it in the picture, but there's the Thunder Bolt right 
behind.

And talking about pictures of our Thunder Bolt, there is a nice one in the 
2010 JAN/FEB issue of VINTAGE MOTORSPORTS as the 'Pick of the Litter' at 
last September's Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival races.  It's a nice little 
article, but NOTHING compared to the feature article in the same issue on Greg 
Sowlow, the Engine Room, Baby Doll(s), et al.  That's a SUPER article.  Kudos 
one and all!  As they hollered when Lady Godiva rode naked and side saddle 
through the streets of Conventry, "Hooray for our side!"

Bill Dentinger
  

Bill Dentinger


From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jan 17 10:57:33 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:57:33 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan 17 11:08:57 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:08:57 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
In-Reply-To: <4B5318D8.2070409@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <001101ca97a0$26388400$72a98c00$@com>

I had a look on the German Wiki site about the F1.
They telling that they wanted to break the German domination at the Grand
Prix racing in the 30ies and created a new regulation in year 1947 and
called it "Formula 1" and added a F2 and F3 with smaller engine capathity.
The cars before '47 were Grand Prix cars, the cars after '47 were F1 cars.
The races before 1950 were a European racing. Since 1950 it became a World
championship.

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. Januar 2010 15:04
An: FOT
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1

I always thought "Grand Prix" was a family of vehicles with certain
characteristics and that within the family umbrella you had the formula
1, formula 2, formula-V, formula Ford & so on.  But then again I've
never been a serious student of race car classification.

Teriann
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 17 12:49:26 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:49:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
In-Reply-To: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
References: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
Message-ID: <968601.34561.qm@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I happen to have a copy of the FIA 1970 year book of Autombile sport.  It is
the rule book published by the FIA.  Advertisements all refer to the F1 Grand
Prix world championship.  If I am not mistaken F1 became more prevelant when
Bernie Ecclestone took over marketing F1 in the early 80s.  I have have Indy
programs from the 60s at which time Indy was part of the world championship
series.  I looked at a few other race programs I have.  The 1969 British GP
program says RAC British Grand Prix 19 July 1969 (no F1 on the cover).  The
1971 British GP program also has no F1 on the cover.  The 1971 French GP
program does not say Grand Prix but does say Formule 1 onthe cover.  I have
the 1972 USGP program which says on the cover Grand Prix of the United
States.  Formula 1 for the World Championship of Drivers.  One thing that is
pretty cool about the programs is my 69 British GP program is signed by Jack
Brabham, Bruce McLaren, Chirs Amon, Jochen
 Rindt, Piers Courage, Jo Siffert, Jacky Ickx and Denny Hulme.  I got the
signatures myself at age 7.  Jims email sparked me to look at the programs. 
Thanks

Mike Mehl




________________________________
From: Jim Gray
<toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: Friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Sat, January 16, 2010 9:42:58 PM
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
Question;

At what point did we start
using F1 to describe the cars
in lieu of
Grand Prix.

Pre - wing cars would include
the Lotus 49 but exclude the
49B.
Or would it be pre-carbon
fiber & driver aid cars.

jim g
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Sun Jan 17 13:22:52 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:22:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
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	<968601.34561.qm@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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  Mike, those are some pretty impressive signatures!
  Best I could do at the USGP in '68 was sneak into the Kendall Tech Center
after the race, help some British guys on a race team carry some items into
the garage, and chat with them. And hang around until 3 guys came walking up
with a giant bottle of champagne, gave it to the crew for a sip or two, who
promptly offered it to me! Didn't have a camera but did have a race program
and a pen. Jackie Stewart, who just won the race, Ken Terrell, his car
owner, and The Bear, Denny Hulme all signed it. I was in hog heaven! Still
got the program.
  And been hooked ever since.
  Great memories. Also lots of great memories since joining the Vintage
bunch. More to come.
  Bill--- Original Message -----
  From: "Mike Mehl" <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
  To: "Jim Gray" <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
  Cc: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 2:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1


  > I happen to have a copy of the FIA 1970 year book of Autombile sport.
It is
  > the rule book published by the FIA.  Advertisements all refer to the F1
Grand
  > Prix world championship.  If I am not mistaken F1 became more prevelant
when
  > Bernie Ecclestone took over marketing F1 in the early 80s.  I have have
Indy
  > programs from the 60s at which time Indy was part of the world
championship
  > series.  I looked at a few other race programs I have.  The 1969 British
GP
  > program says RAC British Grand Prix 19 July 1969 (no F1 on the cover).
The
  > 1971 British GP program also has no F1 on the cover.  The 1971 French GP
  > program does not say Grand Prix but does say Formule 1 onthe cover.  I
have
  > the 1972 USGP program which says on the cover Grand Prix of the United
  > States.  Formula 1 for the World Championship of Drivers.  One thing
that is
  > pretty cool about the programs is my 69 British GP program is signed by
Jack
  > Brabham, Bruce McLaren, Chirs Amon, Jochen
  >  Rindt, Piers Courage, Jo Siffert, Jacky Ickx and Denny Hulme.  I got
the
  > signatures myself at age 7.  Jims email sparked me to look at the
programs.
  > Thanks
  >
  > Mike Mehl
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > ________________________________
  > From: Jim Gray
  > <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
  > To: Friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
  > Sent:
  > Sat, January 16, 2010 9:42:58 PM
  > Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
  > Question;
  >
  > At what point did we start
  > using F1 to describe the cars
  > in lieu of
  > Grand Prix.
  >
  > Pre - wing cars would include
  > the Lotus 49 but exclude the
  > 49B.
  > Or would it be pre-carbon
  > fiber & driver aid cars.
  >
  > jim g
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan 17 14:32:54 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:32:54 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Season 2005
In-Reply-To: <968601.34561.qm@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
	<968601.34561.qm@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601ca97bc$a40112a0$ec0337e0$@com>

Got a CD from a professional photographer with loads of photos from the
season 2005, my 2nd season.
I just have uploaded 300 pics.
Visible is a TRS.
My car has the old US roll bar which I didn't came through scruteneering a
year later.
You might like to watch:

http://www.tr4-racing.de/pic/2005/nurburgring/Index.html

Cheers
Chris


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Sun Jan 17 21:24:51 2010
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:24:51 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW: rocker arm spacers
Message-ID: <000d01ca97f6$2dcda000$6501a8c0@blake1>

Maybe someone out there has already been through this.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg & Alison Blake [mailto:ablake2 at austin.rr.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:03 PM
To: 'N197TR4 at cs.com'
Subject: rocker arm spacers
 
Joe,
 
I have what I believe to be a set of your TR3/4 Nylatron Rocker Arm
Spacers (sourced from Moss).  Once I have the rocker gear assembled, as
I slide it on the pedestal bolts it is pretty tough to get the pedestals
to line up with the bolts.  I have to compress the assembly from the
front of the car to get the pedestal holes to line up with the bolts.
Then I have to push down pretty good to get the whole assembly to set
down onto the head.  As you can imagine, once I have done this, the
rocker arms themselves are very difficult to rotate.  So I have a couple
of questions before I torque things down and set the valve lash:
1.	Are these to be installed with a side clearance between the
spacer and the rocker arm?  What is the spec?
2.	Do they install tight and wear in?
3.	Were they meant to be a cut to fit application?
4.	What are the correct measurements for the various spacers?
5.	What is the best way to shave a few thousands off this material?
Flat surface and 600 cloth?
 
I am using a set of the special rocker arm pedestals that support the
ends of the rocker shaft sourced from British Frame and Engine.  I have
not put the calipers to the pedestals yet, maybe they are slightly
thicker than stock?
 
Thanks,
 
Greg


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 17 21:19:34 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:19:34 -0800
Subject: [Fot] FW: rocker arm spacers
In-Reply-To: <000d01ca97f6$2dcda000$6501a8c0@blake1>
References: <000d01ca97f6$2dcda000$6501a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <74145A8D-7B9C-4A5A-AEFF-3361D3760F4C@earthlink.net>

I've been through it.

First of all, the rocket pedistals from BFE are really cool.  They do,  
however need to modified to avoid hitting the ARP head stud nuts.   
This is accomplished with a die-grinder and you want to take a little  
off at a time so that you keep the thing strong.  Be sure to clean off  
all metal shavings before trying it on your cyl-head.  You don't want  
to get metal flakes in the oil.
Joe's rocker arm spacers are cool too but not made for Ken's rocker  
arm pedistals.  I sanded mine down to shave off enough material to  
make them fit.  I think I sanded them lop-sided and then got them  
"square" and wound up taking a little too much off. The really thin  
ones in the kit don't seem to work for me so I found some 5/8 ID thin  
aluminum washers that did the job.  .010 is the min clearance but more  
is okay.  I believe it was mentioned that you want to make sure there  
is ample clearance hot (.010)

~Steve



On Jan 17, 2010, at 8:24 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:

Maybe someone out there has already been through this.

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg & Alison Blake [mailto:ablake2 at austin.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:03 PM
To: 'N197TR4 at cs.com'
Subject: rocker arm spacers

Joe,

I have what I believe to be a set of your TR3/4 Nylatron Rocker Arm
Spacers (sourced from Moss).  Once I have the rocker gear assembled, as
I slide it on the pedestal bolts it is pretty tough to get the pedestals
to line up with the bolts.  I have to compress the assembly from the
front of the car to get the pedestal holes to line up with the bolts.
Then I have to push down pretty good to get the whole assembly to set
down onto the head.  As you can imagine, once I have done this, the
rocker arms themselves are very difficult to rotate.  So I have a couple
of questions before I torque things down and set the valve lash:
1.	Are these to be installed with a side clearance between the
spacer and the rocker arm?  What is the spec?
2.	Do they install tight and wear in?
3.	Were they meant to be a cut to fit application?
4.	What are the correct measurements for the various spacers?
5.	What is the best way to shave a few thousands off this material?
Flat surface and 600 cloth?

I am using a set of the special rocker arm pedestals that support the
ends of the rocker shaft sourced from British Frame and Engine.  I have
not put the calipers to the pedestals yet, maybe they are slightly
thicker than stock?

Thanks,

Greg
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Jan 18 08:30:49 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:30:49 EST
Subject: [Fot] ARE Rocker Arm Spacers
Message-ID: <2c80c.e2c040b.3885d8a9@cs.com>

> > I have what I believe to be a set of your TR3/4 Nylatron Rocker Arm 
> > Spacers (sourced from Moss). 
> > 
> > Are these to be installed with a side clearance between the spacer and 
> the 
> > rocker arm?  What is the spec?
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------------------------
> Yes...there are supposed to be instructions that ask for .010 min as a 
> 'guide' to allow for unknow rates of expansion. 
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------  
> > 
> > What is the best way to shave a few thousands off this material?  Flat 
> > surface and 600 cloth?

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------ 

> 
> This will work and is suggested in the instructions. Other producers 
> simply 
> make them way too short. I wanted to position the tip to the stem so it 
> was 
> consistent. 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------------------------------
> > I am using a set of the special rocker arm pedestals that support the 
> > ends of the rocker shaft sourced from British Frame and Engine.  I have 
> not 
> > put the calipers to the pedestals yet, maybe they are slightly thicker 
> than 
> > stock?
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------
> Uncle Jack encountered this and removed a little extra material. He was 
> very pleased with the outcome and included the spacers on all of his 
> engines.
> 
> Longevity:  Mike/Steve Belfer have used a Delrin Set for over two decades 
> and they are still on one of the original engines. And Delrin has a 
> slightly 
> lower heat working range.
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 
> For further entertainment look at    photobucket.com/ambro      there's 
> also some stuff in process of development, but not in production yet.
> 
> 

</HTML>


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Jan 18 08:36:55 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:36:55 EST
Subject: [Fot] ARE Rocker Arm Spacers - AN OFFER to FOT
Message-ID: <2cacf.61f95451.3885da17@cs.com>

FOT:

While we are on this subject, please contact me for special pricing to FOT 
on the Nylatron Spacers.  I also have TR3/4 in Delrin. (If you wish to 
replace your springs or existing spacers)

Available for TR3/4  GT6  TR6  Vittesse  MGB

Pending for Spitfire, but GT6/TR6 kit can be made to work.  (actually a 
GT6/TR6 kit will make two Spitfire kits)

Joe Alexander</HTML>


From brad.kahler at 141.com  Mon Jan 18 11:58:58 2010
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:58:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & TR6 rocker pedestals
Message-ID: <f99bbf591001181058m2913c51ck32ae0d18d5b7da54@mail.gmail.com>

Amici,

Over the years probably one of the biggest problems we've had with
engines we build for Susan's Spitfire is the outer rocker pedestals
breaking due to the forces involved with the high lift cams.

Currently I'm not aware of any sources for aftermarket pedals for use
with stock rocker arms.  So the question is other than roller rockers
are there any aftermarket pedestals available for the Spitfire & TR6
engines?

Thanks!

Brad


From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 12:15:27 2010
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:15:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & TR6 rocker pedestals
In-Reply-To: <f99bbf591001181058m2913c51ck32ae0d18d5b7da54@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99bbf591001181058m2913c51ck32ae0d18d5b7da54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <561876.19925.qm@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I have had the same problem. Of all the ones I have used over the years, Goodparts have held up the best. 
Mike




________________________________
From: Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 12:58:58 PM
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & TR6 rocker pedestals

Amici,

Over the years probably one of the biggest problems we've had with
engines we build for Susan's Spitfire is the outer rocker pedestals
breaking due to the forces involved with the high lift cams.

Currently I'm not aware of any sources for aftermarket pedals for use
with stock rocker arms.  So the question is other than roller rockers
are there any aftermarket pedestals available for the Spitfire & TR6
engines?

Thanks!

Brad
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Jan 18 17:34:26 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:34:26 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1
References: <6F912E7CBE1F4F3FB28E8B7A8B3945FD@hal9000>
Message-ID: <A5E0BDF4291B4DE1A4E7040CC211DC4C@rocky>

In common  usage, the terms are virtually synonymous and interchangeable.

More technically, a Grand Prix car is a car driven in a Grand Prix. Usually, 
but not always, that is a Formula 1 car, which defines a car built to that 
specific formula. During at least one season in the '50s, the Grand Prix 
cars driven in competition for the World Championship were Formula 2 cars. 
And one might note that from 1950 to 1960 the "Indianapolis Formula" was 
also included in the points standings for the World Championship (but only 
the Indy 500 race).

So -- A Grand Prix car is any car driven in a Grand Prix.
-- A Formula 1 car is any car built to that specification.
Usually the cars driven in an FIA World Championship Grand Prix (as opposed 
to other races given the name "grand prix") are Formula 1. But not 
necessarily always. Both terms reach back to the earliest days of racing. 
And while F1 cars were raced in grands prix (and other races) of the '40s, 
'30s and earlier, other early GP races used sports cars. F1 and GP were more 
formally married when the FIA World Championship was begun in 1950.

Hell, my Spitfire is a Grand Prix Car. Because I've driven it in the Green 
Country Grand Prix at Hallett.  :-)

--Rocky Entriken


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Gray" <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: "Friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:42 PM
Subject: [Fot] Grand Prix Cars Vs. F1


> Question;
>
> At what point did we start
> using F1 to describe the cars
> in lieu of Grand Prix.
>
> Pre - wing cars would include
> the Lotus 49 but exclude the
> 49B.
>
> Or would it be pre-carbon
> fiber & driver aid cars.
>
> jim g
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From gsfuqua1 at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 01:46:13 2010
From: gsfuqua1 at aol.com (gsfuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:46:13 EST
Subject: [Fot] Wing or Side Fender Vents
Message-ID: <45bd6.6f546e39.3886cb55@aol.com>

I am looking for a set of the chrome grill vents that many of the Rally TR  
4's used.  As I recall they were slightly squarish in size and had a large  
checker board grill affect.  The idea being to let some of the engine bay  
heat be carried out through the side wings or fenders.  The fit flush with  
the side of the fender or wing and extend inward into the engine bay.
 
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
Cheers, Gary


From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Tue Jan 19 05:03:18 2010
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Russ Moore)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:03:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] transport east to west coast
Message-ID: <001f01ca98ff$63a153c0$2ae3fb40$@rr.com>

I am looking for a reasonable cost option to transport  a Spitfire from
central upstate NY  (Ithaca area)to California. The car runs and drives and
would be better with enclosed transport if possible. Any leads would be
appreciated. 

 

Russ Moore


From deanesr at uncw.edu  Tue Jan 19 06:28:20 2010
From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:28:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Wing or Side Fender Vents
In-Reply-To: <45bd6.6f546e39.3886cb55@aol.com>
References: <45bd6.6f546e39.3886cb55@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E094517AD326D22@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu>

The side vents can be bought from www.revingtotr.com and the part numbers
areRTR7019 for the wing ducts and RTR7060 for the grille first numbers price
is 173.25 and the second is 58.91 that is in there money, to us it is about
300.00 plus. Contact there is Bill White.


Hope that helps,
Rob Deanes
TR-4 Racer


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of gsfuqua1 at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 3:46 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net;
tony at tonydrews.com; N197TR4 at cs.com
Subject: [Fot] Wing or Side Fender Vents

I am looking for a set of the chrome grill vents that many of the Rally TR
4's used.  As I recall they were slightly squarish in size and had a large
checker board grill affect.  The idea being to let some of the engine bay
heat be carried out through the side wings or fenders.  The fit flush with
the side of the fender or wing and extend inward into the engine bay.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers, Gary
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From rkrantz77 at comcast.net  Tue Jan 19 08:01:14 2010
From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:01:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & TR6 rocker pedestals
In-Reply-To: <f99bbf591001181058m2913c51ck32ae0d18d5b7da54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1902518761.13678951263913274512.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

The pedestals for roller rockers will work with stock rocker arm - just need
more spacers to locate the arm over the valve tips.B  I do make billet
aluminumB pedestals.B  I custom make them to compensate for milled heads (high
compression) to get proper alignment.B  I also make a thick walled hardened
rocker shaft.B  If there is an interest I will take orders and make a run.B 

Ron Krantz

ReK Racing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Kahler" <brad.kahler at 141.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:58:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & TR6 rocker pedestals

Amici,

Over the years probably one of the biggest problems we've had with
engines we build for Susan's Spitfire is the outer rocker pedestals
breaking due to the forces involved with the high lift cams.

Currently I'm not aware of any sources for aftermarket pedals for use
with stock rocker arms. B So the question is other than roller rockers
are there any aftermarket pedestals available for the Spitfire & TR6
engines?

Thanks!

Brad
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From zoboherald at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 08:33:16 2010
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:33:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Wing or Side Fender Vents
In-Reply-To: <1794323504.13478331263910602715.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8CC6733DA6FF3A3-36C0-4D5F@webmail-m063.sysops.aol.com>

 Correct, Phil. The grilles were cut down pieces from the Herald 948/1200, and
it is Neil Revington that supplies kits.

ISTR hearing somewhere that these vents ultimately proved more cosmetic than
useful?



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
Database: http://triumph-herald.us




-----Original Message-----
From: pethier at comcast.net


As I recall the works rally cars used Herald grill mesh. The whole assembly
can
be bought from one of the UK suppliers. Triumphtune?  Rimmer?  Revington?
Sorry
but it's still a little early for me.


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jan 19 08:58:52 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:58:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Wing or Side Fender Vents
In-Reply-To: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E094517AD326D22@uncwexmb1.dcs.u
	ncw.edu>
References: <45bd6.6f546e39.3886cb55@aol.com>
	<1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E094517AD326D22@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu>
Message-ID: <20100119155923.25BD618764B@autox.team.net>

I think the link is really www.revingtontr.com .  To make them 
yourself if quite a challenge.  The grille is a Triumph Herald grill 
that's cut down, as I recall.

- Tony

At 07:28 AM 1/19/2010, Deanes, Robert wrote:
>The side vents can be bought from www.revingtotr.com and the part numbers
>areRTR7019 for the wing ducts and RTR7060 for the grille first numbers price
>is 173.25 and the second is 58.91 that is in there money, to us it is about
>300.00 plus. Contact there is Bill White.
>
>
>Hope that helps,
>Rob Deanes
>TR-4 Racer
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
>Of gsfuqua1 at aol.com
>Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 3:46 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net;
>tony at tonydrews.com; N197TR4 at cs.com
>Subject: [Fot] Wing or Side Fender Vents
>
>I am looking for a set of the chrome grill vents that many of the Rally TR
>4's used.  As I recall they were slightly squarish in size and had a large
>checker board grill affect.  The idea being to let some of the engine bay
>heat be carried out through the side wings or fenders.  The fit flush with
>the side of the fender or wing and extend inward into the engine bay.
>
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Cheers, Gary
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 09:14:35 2010
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:14:35 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Limited slip group purchase
Message-ID: <4B55DA6B.4090803@gmail.com>

Here is the latest from Ken.  I'm guessing we are looking at US$1400 per 
unit.  If you want to get in on the group buy please contact Ken at 
British Frame & engine & provide him with a check for $700 plus the 
requested info about your car.

Teriann

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	lsd units
Date: 	Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:59:33 -0800
From: 	BFEKen at copper.net <bfeken at copper.net>
Reply-To: 	BFEKen at copper.net <bfeken at copper.net>
To: 	TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>



*Teriann, Looks like the limited slip diff adventure is working out. First*
*all orders will have to be in my possession by 2-15-10. With $700 down*
*payment. On the 15 I will send to racetorations by bank transfer, the 50%*
*I have collected & when the shipment is ready, I will notify every one*
*of the amount remaining, which they will send to me. As this is an*
*International transaction for Historic cars there will be no duty or VAT*
*or so I am told.*
*Special info. 1/ the TR6 uses the Trans-X without the center thrust button*
*                      2/Spitfire & gt-6 units are not made at this 
time. But the*
*Brits use a unit called GRABBER which looks just like the Tran-X. It 
appeared about the time the patent ran out on the Salisbury & it looks*
*just like it*
** 
*Deposits should be mailed to British Frame & engine 4831 Ryland aver*
*temple City CA 91780 USA*
*I understand from Racetorations that they also handle the Grabber. It is*
*less money.*
*When you send your deposit I will need your Name, address type of TR*
*& the year. Plus your phone number.*
** 
*Ken*


From bswope959 at msn.com  Tue Jan 19 10:08:06 2010
From: bswope959 at msn.com (Bill Swope)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:08:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Membership/e-mail
Message-ID: <SNT122-DS16958627769DEFD40FE916EC650@phx.gbl>

I would like to suspend myself from receiving FOT e-mail for an undefined
time, probably 90 days due to some surgery.  Can you help me?

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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Tue Jan 19 10:18:40 2010
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:18:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Membership/e-mail
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Good LUCK on your surgery Bill

Craig


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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jan 19 10:32:54 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:32:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Uprated Oil Pump, TR-3/4
Message-ID: <20100119173425.9116918765C@autox.team.net>

I was talking with a group of my Triumph racing buddies, and we were 
discussing a new oil pump design for the TRactor motor (TR-3 / TR-4) 
that came out of the Chicago area Triumph club.  I realized that I 
may not have properly promoted this product.  Steve Yott (aka 
"Drippy") has developed an oil pump design based on the stock pump, 
but with some important modifications.  The rotor and shaft are NOT 
two separate parts, but are one piece - eliminating one of the 
failure modes of these pumps.  Also, the end cap has been machined to 
accept a new shaft sticking out of the bottom of the rotor - so the 
rotor is supported on BOTH ends, rather than the stock single end 
support.  The end plate is pinned to the main housing so that the 
location of this bore is consistent upon disassembly and 
reassembly.  The rotor has oil passages in key places ensuring that 
all of the moving parts ride in an oil bath so there is no metal on 
metal contact.

Steve Yott is at tr4 at wi.rr.com .  I believe the price for this was 
$225 with a core exchange.

There are two primary failure modes of the stock oil pump.  One mode 
is the tangs breaking off of either the oil pump shaft or the 
distributor drive, and the other mode is the rotor spinning on the 
shaft.  They believe that the tang breakage is caused by "wobble" in 
the rotor due to it only being supported at one end.  This causes 
binding and additional force on the tangs.  The new pump eliminates 
this wobble with the shaft sticking out the bottom of the rotor.  The 
second mode - the rotor spinning on the shaft - is eliminated by the 
rotor and shaft being made out of a single piece of steel.

This is one of those parts that "just seems right".  I ran one in my 
motor all last season and had excellent oil pressure the whole year.

For some reason the newsletter detailing this part doesn't seem to 
come up from the links on their website, so I've taken the liberty of 
scanning an old beat up copy of that article to my website here: 
http://www.tonydrews.com/OilPump0001.pdf .

- Tony Drews


From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jan 19 10:36:46 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:36:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Membership/e-mail
In-Reply-To: <SNT122-DS16958627769DEFD40FE916EC650@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT122-DS16958627769DEFD40FE916EC650@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B55EDAE.70008@bradakis.com>

Bill Swope wrote:
> I would like to suspend myself from receiving FOT e-mail for an undefined
> time, probably 90 days due to some surgery.  Can you help me?
>
>   

1.  Click on the link at the bottom of this message, the 
mailman/listinfo one.

2.  In the FOT subscriber section, enter your email address and list 
password.

3.  Realize that you should have kept a copy of the monthly reminder with
     your list password.

4.  Delete your address from the first box and enter it into the box labeled
    'Unsubscribe or Edit options" and click on the button.

5.  Click on the password reminder button.

6.  When the reminder message arrives, click on the link, pasting in
     your newly arrived password.

7.  Go down to the 'Mail Delivery' section of the subscription options.

8.  Click on the 'disabled' button.

9.  Go down to the bottom of the page and click on 'Submit my changes'

10.  Getting mail flowing again is the same procedure, except obviously
       you would click on the 'enable' button.


On a side note, this is a handy procedure if you use more than one email 
address.
You can subscribe, say, both your home address and your work address, 
and set
only one of them to enable.  Having the other address subscribed will 
keep messages
you send from that address from getting bounced as non-member spam, but yoo
won't get multiple copies of each list message.


mjb.


From jsnook at wcnet.org  Tue Jan 19 10:47:15 2010
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:47:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Dennis DeLap's TR4
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7180.1263920901.4175.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.7180.1263920901.4175.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <006301ca992f$7029f130$507dd390$@org>

Nice photo of Dennis DeLap's TR4 at speed during the VSCDA Continental Grand
Prix as reported in the January issue of Victory Lane magazine.  

Dennis, I could not see in the photo, but are you wearing a Hans Device
yet?!

Vroom, vroom,

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Jan 19 10:52:53 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:52:53 EST
Subject: [Fot] Fot] Uprated Oil Pump, TR-3/4
Message-ID: <9cf5.d27d9f8.38874b75@cs.com>

FOT

I looked at it and would have disassembled for closer look if I had been 
more ambitious.

This truly seems like a RACING PUMP. The engineering is there, the 
manufacturing process is there, the price is there.

It would be a mistake for the FOT not to know about this pump so they can 
determine the benefit for themselves. 

We know there is no infant failure with Tony running it for one 
season.....at the front of the pack.  We know that aftermarket parts are junk.  Easy 
choices if you need a new pump and/or doing serious racing.

My .02

Joe A




> I was talking with a group of my Triumph racing buddies, and we were 
> discussing a new oil pump design for the TRactor motor (TR-3 / TR-4) 
> that came out of the Chicago area Triumph club.  I realized that I 
> may not have properly promoted this product.  Steve Yott (aka 
> "Drippy") has developed an oil pump design based on the stock pump, 
> but with some important modifications.  The rotor and shaft are NOT 
> two separate parts, but are one piece - eliminating one of the 
> failure modes of these pumps.  Also, the end cap has been machined to 
> accept a new shaft sticking out of the bottom of the rotor - so the 
> rotor is supported on BOTH ends, rather than the stock single end 
> support.  The end plate is pinned to the main housing so that the 
> location of this bore is consistent upon disassembly and 
> reassembly.  The rotor has oil passages in key places ensuring that 
> all of the moving parts ride in an oil bath so there is no metal on 
> metal contact.
> 
> Steve Yott is at tr4 at wi.rr.com .  I believe the price for this was 
> $225 with a core exchange.
> 
> There are two primary failure modes of the stock oil pump.  One mode 
> is the tangs breaking off of either the oil pump shaft or the 
> distributor drive, and the other mode is the rotor spinning on the 
> shaft.  They believe that the tang breakage is caused by "wobble" in 
> the rotor due to it only being supported at one end.  This causes 
> binding and additional force on the tangs.  The new pump eliminates 
> this wobble with the shaft sticking out the bottom of the rotor.  The 
> second mode - the rotor spinning on the shaft - is eliminated by the 
> rotor and shaft being made out of a single piece of steel.
> 
> This is one of those parts that "just seems right".  I ran one in my 
> motor all last season and had excellent oil pressure the whole year.
> 
> For some reason the newsletter detailing this part doesn't seem to 
> come up from the links on their website, so I've taken the liberty of 
> scanning an old beat up copy of that article to my website here: 
> http://www.tonydrews.com/OilPump0001.pdf .
> 
> - Tony Drews
> _______________________________________________
> 

</HTML>


From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 19 11:06:49 2010
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:06:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Uprated Oil Pump, TR-3/4
In-Reply-To: <20100119173425.9116918765C@autox.team.net>
References: <20100119173425.9116918765C@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <238201.28495.qm@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Holy smokes, I have seen both failure modes and totally agree with the analysis. I invested in one of Greg Solow's heavily modified units several years back, but this goes several major steps beyond even that. Uncle Jack must be very proud of you guys!

Gary Schneider



________________________________
From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 11:32:54 AM
Subject: [Fot] Uprated Oil Pump, TR-3/4

I was talking with a group of my Triumph racing buddies, and we were discussing a new oil pump design for the TRactor motor (TR-3 / TR-4) that came out of the Chicago area Triumph club.  I realized that I may not have properly promoted this product.  Steve Yott (aka "Drippy") has developed an oil pump design based on the stock pump, but with some important modifications.  The rotor and shaft are NOT two separate parts, but are one piece - eliminating one of the failure modes of these pumps.  Also, the end cap has been machined to accept a new shaft sticking out of the bottom of the rotor - so the rotor is supported on BOTH ends, rather than the stock single end support.  The end plate is pinned to the main housing so that the location of this bore is consistent upon disassembly and reassembly.  The rotor has oil passages in key places ensuring that all of the moving parts ride in an oil bath so there is no metal on metal contact.

Steve Yott is at tr4 at wi.rr.com .  I believe the price for this was $225 with a core exchange.

There are two primary failure modes of the stock oil pump.  One mode is the tangs breaking off of either the oil pump shaft or the distributor drive, and the other mode is the rotor spinning on the shaft.  They believe that the tang breakage is caused by "wobble" in the rotor due to it only being supported at one end.  This causes binding and additional force on the tangs.  The new pump eliminates this wobble with the shaft sticking out the bottom of the rotor.  The second mode - the rotor spinning on the shaft - is eliminated by the rotor and shaft being made out of a single piece of steel.

This is one of those parts that "just seems right".  I ran one in my motor all last season and had excellent oil pressure the whole year.

For some reason the newsletter detailing this part doesn't seem to come up from the links on their website, so I've taken the liberty of scanning an old beat up copy of that article to my website here: http://www.tonydrews.com/OilPump0001.pdf .

- Tony Drews
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 19 11:34:38 2010
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:34:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Dennis DeLap's TR4
In-Reply-To: <006301ca992f$7029f130$507dd390$@org>
References: <mailman.7180.1263920901.4175.fot@autox.team.net>
	<006301ca992f$7029f130$507dd390$@org>
Message-ID: <827532.45572.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

That is an odd article - the picture of my car was actually taken at
Mid-Ohio in the fall of 2007.
I think that VictoryLane used all old photos for
that VSCDA report.

Jeff - I now use a Hans device.

D



Nice photo of Dennis
DeLap's TR4 at speed during the VSCDA Continental Grand
Prix as reported in
the January issue of Victory Lane magazine.  

Dennis, I could not see in the
photo, but are you wearing a Hans Device
yet?!

Vroom, vroom,

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http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
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From gsfuqua1 at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 12:12:57 2010
From: gsfuqua1 at aol.com (gsfuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:12:57 EST
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Wing or Side Fender Vents
Message-ID: <cb03.42b3eda7.38875e39@aol.com>

Thank you for the information.  I had them on a rally TR 4 quite a few  
years ago.  As for functional Vs cosmetic I suppose it would depend on how  
they are installed.  If you just cut a hole and stick them in then it is  
probably more cosmetic.  However is you build a small scoop that funnels  air out 
I believe it will lower the engine bay temp.  Guess we'll just have  to see 
how it all comes together.
 
Cheers, Gary
 
 
In a message dated 1/19/2010 9:37:10 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
zoboherald at aol.com writes:

Correct,  Phil. The grilles were cut down pieces from the Herald 948/1200, 
and
it is  Neil Revington that supplies kits.

ISTR hearing somewhere that these  vents ultimately proved more cosmetic 
than
useful?



--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not  so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with  wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage  Triumph
Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American  Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald
Database:  http://triumph-herald.us




-----Original  Message-----
From: pethier at comcast.net


As I recall the works  rally cars used Herald grill mesh. The whole assembly
can
be bought from  one of the UK suppliers. Triumphtune?  Rimmer?   Revington?
Sorry
but it's still a little early for  me.
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 12:44:02 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:44:02 -0800
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Wing or Side Fender Vents
In-Reply-To: <cb03.42b3eda7.38875e39@aol.com>
References: <cb03.42b3eda7.38875e39@aol.com>
Message-ID: <65f1eaba1001191144p12ebc82dqa88c3efa40c38bf8@mail.gmail.com>

My car had the vents installed sometime in 1964/65 and a couple of years ago
we ran both an unvented TR4 race car plus the Sebring car with the vents
installed. Under hood temperatures are only very marginally lower in the
vented car (it helps much more in a car with little space under the hood
like the Big Healey) but they look cool.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:12 AM, <gsfuqua1 at aol.com> wrote:

> Thank you for the information.  I had them on a rally TR 4 quite a few
> years ago.  As for functional Vs cosmetic I suppose it would depend on how
> they are installed.  If you just cut a hole and stick them in then it is
> probably more cosmetic.  However is you build a small scoop that funnels
>  air out
> I believe it will lower the engine bay temp.  Guess we'll just have  to see
> how it all comes together.
>
> Cheers, Gary
>
>
> In a message dated 1/19/2010 9:37:10 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> zoboherald at aol.com writes:
>
> Correct,  Phil. The grilles were cut down pieces from the Herald 948/1200,
> and
> it is  Neil Revington that supplies kits.
>
> ISTR hearing somewhere that these  vents ultimately proved more cosmetic
> than
> useful?
>
>
>
> --Andy  Mace
>
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not  so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
> Herald engine with  wings.
> -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)
>
> Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage  Triumph
> Register: http://www.vtr.org
>
> Check out the North American  Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph
> Herald
> Database:  http://triumph-herald.us
>
>
>
>
> -----Original  Message-----
> From: pethier at comcast.net
>
>
> As I recall the works  rally cars used Herald grill mesh. The whole
> assembly
> can
> be bought from  one of the UK suppliers. Triumphtune?  Rimmer?   Revington?
> Sorry
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Jan 19 17:23:11 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:23:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Main Bearing Clearance
Message-ID: <000001ca9966$c144dcb0$43ce9610$@com>

At the VSCDA Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival in September the oil pressure
dropped from the normal of 50 to 25.  I went straight into the paddock and
when we dropped the pan we found that the center main bearing was pretty
well gone, no copper left and pits in the third layer.  A lot of large (1/4
inch square, about) pieces of copper debris in the pan.  These were the King
County Tri-metal bearings.  Now that I have the crank out I see that the
rear main is just about as new and the front main is just starting to show
some copper.  The crank has been cracked checked with a "sonic flow" process
and no cracks were found.  It also checks out straight according to the
machine shop.  We run a usual 5500 redline with occasion up to 6000.  It is
a stock crank that has been balanced.  The rods are stock (look to have been
balanced) and we have the K. Gilanders 87mm sleeves and forged Wiseco
pistons.  The C.R. is about 11:1 and a Kastner G3 cam that has been reground
at one time but degrees out to the G3 spec.  Cylinder head is just about
stock except for cleaning out the rust and slag from the ports when we had
it milled and new guides and stock valves put in.  This was only the 5th or
6th weekend on the bearings and reground crank, 0.010 under.  The rod
bearings are not showing very much wear at all.  We have the finned aluminum
oil pan which holds 8-1/2 quarts from empty.  We use Valvoline 20W-50 VR1
racing oil.  The water temps and oil temps are always pretty good, if
anything a little cool.  We have a well ducted aluminum radiator and oil
cooler.

 

I've contacted BPNW, where I got the bearings, and will send them to them
and they will forward them to King.  They have generously replaced the
bearing set without my asking!  A great place.

 

Question - any ideas why a catastrophic failure of just the center main
bearing?

 

2nd Question - Have to grind the crank to 0.020 under on the main journals
now, what clearance is appropriate?

 

3rd Question - What has been the experience with those who have had the
bearings coated?  I've heard some good reports and no bad reports so far.
Any recommended sources?

 

In going back and checking the numbers from the last crank grind I now think
I only had 0.001 to 0.002 clearance, maybe 0.002 to 0.0025 at the most.  The
bearing with the least wear, the rear, had about the same clearance as the
center, from my notes on the measurements.  The front bearing, which is just
starting to show some wear, probably had the most clearance.

 

Last Question, just curious - does anyone know what the "draft angle" is on
the block for the main bearing caps to seat in?  If I just set the bearing
caps down in the block I get about 0.001 to 0.002 clearance to the block,
until I tighten the bolts then there is essentially no measurable clearance.

 

Final note: the machine shop was suggesting I have the block line bored,
when we thought we had a cracked crank.  It would seem that there is no
damage to the block and it is in the same state it was before, very well
stress relieved after about 50 years!

 

Thanks for the help.

 

Tim Murphy

1961 TR4 #317


From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 17:43:20 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:43:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] transport east to west coast
In-Reply-To: <001f01ca98ff$63a153c0$2ae3fb40$@rr.com>
References: <001f01ca98ff$63a153c0$2ae3fb40$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <234309.2438.qm@web46102.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Russ - use DeMoise Trking  http://www.demoise.com/ I have shipped my Corviars
across country twice and my TR4 from Ohio to Vancouver Washington.  These guys
are great.  Their cost was great.  If you look at their photo gallery you will
see my TR4.  I think it cost me $1700 in September 08.  

Good luck.

Mike
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To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, January 19,
2010 4:03:18 AM
Subject: [Fot] transport east to west coast

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(Ithaca area)to California. The car runs and drives and
would be better with
enclosed transport if possible. Any leads would be
appreciated. 



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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Tue Jan 19 18:58:45 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 01:58:45 GMT
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Main Bearing Clearance
Message-ID: <20100119.205845.3602.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>

Tim, I been having my blocks align honed and then we double check all the
clearances.  Any block that I have used has needed some align honing.  I run
0.0025 inch clearance.  Were each of the bearing halves measured in multiple
places?  I usually take 9 measurements on each with a caliper with ball tips.
Measure 3 spots across near each end and 3 spots across the center.  You could
have had a bearing half that was thicker in some spots.  Also, 0.002 is way
too close for these engines, never mind 0.001.

I would also suggest an oil accumulator, since even with the big pan you could
have some oil starvation.  I would also suggest a synthetic race oil, after
you break it in with a mineral based oil.
I have not tried the coatings, but would also be interested in other's
experience.
That's my 2 cents.  Joe(B)

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From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Main Bearing Clearance
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:23:11 -0600


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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jan 19 21:11:51 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:11:51 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Uprated Oil Pump, TR-3/4
In-Reply-To: <20100119173425.9116918765C@autox.team.net>
References: <20100119173425.9116918765C@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20100120041219.77CC2187872@autox.team.net>

One thing I forgot to mention - one of the mods that Jack made to the 
stock style shaft is to radius the slot so that there are no sharp 
corners or "stress risers" to help reduce tang breakage.  I discussed 
this with Steve and he pointed out that his slot is also designed 
with a radius at the bottom of the slot in the oil pump shaft.  It's 
a pretty small radius so that's why I missed it, but it's there and 
should be all that's needed.

- Tony

At 11:32 AM 1/19/2010, Tony Drews wrote:
>I was talking with a group of my Triumph racing buddies, and we were 
>discussing a new oil pump design for the TRactor motor (TR-3 / TR-4) 
>that came out of the Chicago area Triumph club.  I realized that I 
>may not have properly promoted this product.  Steve Yott (aka 
>"Drippy") has developed an oil pump design based on the stock pump, 
>but with some important modifications.  The rotor and shaft are NOT 
>two separate parts, but are one piece - eliminating one of the 
>failure modes of these pumps.  Also, the end cap has been machined 
>to accept a new shaft sticking out of the bottom of the rotor - so 
>the rotor is supported on BOTH ends, rather than the stock single 
>end support.  The end plate is pinned to the main housing so that 
>the location of this bore is consistent upon disassembly and 
>reassembly.  The rotor has oil passages in key places ensuring that 
>all of the moving parts ride in an oil bath so there is no metal on 
>metal contact.
>
>Steve Yott is at tr4 at wi.rr.com .  I believe the price for this was 
>$225 with a core exchange.
>
>There are two primary failure modes of the stock oil pump.  One mode 
>is the tangs breaking off of either the oil pump shaft or the 
>distributor drive, and the other mode is the rotor spinning on the 
>shaft.  They believe that the tang breakage is caused by "wobble" in 
>the rotor due to it only being supported at one end.  This causes 
>binding and additional force on the tangs.  The new pump eliminates 
>this wobble with the shaft sticking out the bottom of the 
>rotor.  The second mode - the rotor spinning on the shaft - is 
>eliminated by the rotor and shaft being made out of a single piece of steel.
>
>This is one of those parts that "just seems right".  I ran one in my 
>motor all last season and had excellent oil pressure the whole year.
>
>For some reason the newsletter detailing this part doesn't seem to 
>come up from the links on their website, so I've taken the liberty 
>of scanning an old beat up copy of that article to my website here: 
>http://www.tonydrews.com/OilPump0001.pdf .
>
>- Tony Drews


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jan 19 21:59:57 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:59:57 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Bearing clearances
Message-ID: <20100120050017.4B33C187682@autox.team.net>

Here's the message I sent without the baggage of the attached thread 
message(s) so it will be small enough to make it out without 
moderator approval:

I run the coating from Calico Coatings www.calicocoatings.com that 
Jack recommended ages ago.  I use this on the mains and the rod 
bearings.  I buy the King tri-metal bearings that BPNW sells and send 
them off to be coated prior to assembly.  The local speed shop uses 
it on a lot of the V-8's they build.  The last couple of rebuilds the 
bearings looked great - don't have it apart from last year 
yet.  Before the coating I would always have a certain amount of bearing wear.

I run the Valvoline VR1 synthetic after breakin (20w50).

- Tony


From billb at bnj.com  Tue Jan 19 22:11:08 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:11:08 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Uprated Oil Pump, TR-3/4
In-Reply-To: <20100120041219.77CC2187872@autox.team.net>
References: <20100119173425.9116918765C@autox.team.net>
	<20100120041219.77CC2187872@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <18486474-F842-44BE-BEE9-7D526FEB5EE3@bnj.com>

Nice. Obviously a better design. I've broken enough of these. I'm getting at
least one.


On Jan 19, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Tony Drews wrote:

> One thing I forgot to mention - one of the mods that Jack made to the stock
style shaft is to radius the slot so that there are no sharp corners or
"stress risers" to help reduce tang breakage.  I discussed this with Steve and
he pointed out that his slot is also designed with a radius at the bottom of
the slot in the oil pump shaft.  It's a pretty small radius so that's why I
missed it, but it's there and should be all that's needed.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 11:32 AM 1/19/2010, Tony Drews wrote:
>> I was talking with a group of my Triumph racing buddies, and we were
discussing a new oil pump design for the TRactor motor (TR-3 / TR-4) that came
out of the Chicago area Triumph club.  I realized that I may not have properly
promoted this product.  Steve Yott (aka "Drippy") has developed an oil pump
design based on the stock pump, but with some important modifications.  The
rotor and shaft are NOT two separate parts, but are one piece - eliminating
one of the failure modes of these pumps.  Also, the end cap has been machined
to accept a new shaft sticking out of the bottom of the rotor - so the rotor
is supported on BOTH ends, rather than the stock single end support.  The end
plate is pinned to the main housing so that the location of this bore is
consistent upon disassembly and reassembly.  The rotor has oil passages in key
places ensuring that all of the moving parts ride in an oil bath so there is
no metal on metal contact.
>>
>> Steve Yott is at tr4 at wi.rr.com .  I believe the price for this was $225
with a core exchange.
>>
>> There are two primary failure modes of the stock oil pump.  One mode is the
tangs breaking off of either the oil pump shaft or the distributor drive, and
the other mode is the rotor spinning on the shaft.  They believe that the tang
breakage is caused by "wobble" in the rotor due to it only being supported at
one end.  This causes binding and additional force on the tangs.  The new pump
eliminates this wobble with the shaft sticking out the bottom of the rotor.
The second mode - the rotor spinning on the shaft - is eliminated by the rotor
and shaft being made out of a single piece of steel.
>>
>> This is one of those parts that "just seems right".  I ran one in my motor
all last season and had excellent oil pressure the whole year.
>>
>> For some reason the newsletter detailing this part doesn't seem to come up
from the links on their website, so I've taken the liberty of scanning an old
beat up copy of that article to my website here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/OilPump0001.pdf .
>>
>> - Tony Drews
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From herald948 at aol.com  Wed Jan 20 09:28:49 2010
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:28:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] rosebud racer by doug ross
In-Reply-To: <78c8.6ba5817.38835b6e@aol.com>
References: <78c8.6ba5817.38835b6e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC6804C7C19A89-42B4-16F0F@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com>

 Alex, with this reply I am copying the Friends of Triumph e-mail list. Sadly,
I knew Doug only through his involvement with the Vintage Triumph Register
organization, and I really only know of the car what I've seen in pictures
such as this one on the FoT Racing web site:

<http://fot-racing.com/tr3/caption/TR3Ross.htm>

Hopefully there are folks within FoT who might know more about Doug's car.



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
Database: http://triumph-herald.us






  From: alexwatch at aol.com
To: herald1200 at aol.com
Sent: 1/16/2010 1:37:00   A.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: rosebud racer by doug ross




Andy,



I would like to take a moment to introduce myself to you.  My name   is Alex
Hofberg.  I am a jeweler in Portland, Oregon and the current   owner of a
vintage TR3 that I think you are familiar with.  Though I   bought this car
from a friend of mine some 15 months ago, I only recently   started to look
deeper into the history of the car I own and while doing some   google
searching on Doug's name and a TR3 tag, I found a short memorial note   that
you posted after his passing.





Though I own a TR6 and Rosebud as well as a modern Triumph Bonneville, I
sort of own this car by accident, having no (current) intention of racing it
though I have rallied it a little. The friend I bought it from seems   to have
purchased Rosebud from one of Doug's family members as a car for his   wife to
race.   He and his wife both graduated to much faster, much more   powerful
vintage racers and have an interesting collection that found the TR3   loved
but no longer needed for racing.




The reason I am dropping you this note is that when I purchased the car   the
prior owner had lost or never gotten much of the build history that as far
as I'm concerned needs to accompany the car given a restoration as thorough
and beautiful as Doug achieved.  Other than the roll bar being slightly
modified and painted black and a bolt on rack and pinion conversion being done
the car is exactly as I got it and as far as I know otherwise unchanged
since Doug finished it.




If you can offer any advise as to who can fill in some of the blanks or I
you can yourself, I would be very grateful.  Technical detail is good but   be
aware I am an owner rather than a mechanic, trying to preserve this car
rather than improve it or use it hard.




For my part, my specialty is the repair and sales of really expensive
mechanical watches and vintage and antique watches.  I write a column for
Sports Car Market Magazine on the subject of collecting watches and hope to
able to continue to collect interesting cars as a side line.




I hope you can assist,




Thank you,




Alex Hofberg - Watchworks Inc. Portland Or.    503.970.6993


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Wed Jan 20 10:35:09 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:35:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Main Bearing Clearance
In-Reply-To: <000001ca9966$c144dcb0$43ce9610$@com>
References: <000001ca9966$c144dcb0$43ce9610$@com>
Message-ID: <4B573ECD.5040809@blacksburg.net>

On 1/19/2010 7:23 PM, Tim Murphy wrote:
> [...deletia...]
>
> 3rd Question - What has been the experience with those who have had the
> bearings coated?  I've heard some good reports and no bad reports so far.
> Any recommended sources?
>    
Tim, I sent my stock crank to Shaftech, in Fostoria OH and all bearings 
to Callies Performance, also in Fostoria.  Shaftech nitrided the crank 
(which now rings like a forged crank) and measured the journal 
diameters.  I then contacted Callies and told them what clearances I 
wanted.  They coated the shells with their magic goop and I had them 
back in less than a week.  Great service from both companies.  If you 
have Shaftech work on the crank, be sure to clean the galleries well, 
they weren't as clean as I would have liked.

You may recall that Tony had his shells treated (by Calico?) a few years 
ago and reported no wear after one season.

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jan 21 10:37:39 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:37:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] rosebud racer by doug ross
In-Reply-To: <8CC6804C7C19A89-42B4-16F0F@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com>
References: <78c8.6ba5817.38835b6e@aol.com>
	<8CC6804C7C19A89-42B4-16F0F@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <E184D3B23BCE4757A587594D8C6D6445@joepentiumnew>

I did the number graphic decals for this car.  That's all I know about it. 

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Andrew Mace
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:29 AM
To: alexwatch at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] rosebud racer by doug ross

 Alex, with this reply I am copying the Friends of Triumph e-mail list.
Sadly,
I knew Doug only through his involvement with the Vintage Triumph Register
organization, and I really only know of the car what I've seen in pictures
such as this one on the FoT Racing web site:

<http://fot-racing.com/tr3/caption/TR3Ross.htm>

Hopefully there are folks within FoT who might know more about Doug's car.



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
Database: http://triumph-herald.us






  From: alexwatch at aol.com
To: herald1200 at aol.com
Sent: 1/16/2010 1:37:00   A.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: rosebud racer by doug ross




Andy,



I would like to take a moment to introduce myself to you.  My name   is Alex
Hofberg.  I am a jeweler in Portland, Oregon and the current   owner of a
vintage TR3 that I think you are familiar with.  Though I   bought this car
from a friend of mine some 15 months ago, I only recently   started to look
deeper into the history of the car I own and while doing some   google
searching on Doug's name and a TR3 tag, I found a short memorial note   that
you posted after his passing.





Though I own a TR6 and Rosebud as well as a modern Triumph Bonneville, I
sort of own this car by accident, having no (current) intention of racing it
though I have rallied it a little. The friend I bought it from seems   to
have
purchased Rosebud from one of Doug's family members as a car for his   wife
to
race.   He and his wife both graduated to much faster, much more   powerful
vintage racers and have an interesting collection that found the TR3   loved
but no longer needed for racing.




The reason I am dropping you this note is that when I purchased the car
the
prior owner had lost or never gotten much of the build history that as far
as I'm concerned needs to accompany the car given a restoration as thorough
and beautiful as Doug achieved.  Other than the roll bar being slightly
modified and painted black and a bolt on rack and pinion conversion being
done
the car is exactly as I got it and as far as I know otherwise unchanged
since Doug finished it.




If you can offer any advise as to who can fill in some of the blanks or I
you can yourself, I would be very grateful.  Technical detail is good but
be
aware I am an owner rather than a mechanic, trying to preserve this car
rather than improve it or use it hard.




For my part, my specialty is the repair and sales of really expensive
mechanical watches and vintage and antique watches.  I write a column for
Sports Car Market Magazine on the subject of collecting watches and hope to
able to continue to collect interesting cars as a side line.




I hope you can assist,




Thank you,




Alex Hofberg - Watchworks Inc. Portland Or.    503.970.6993
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Wed Jan 20 10:39:09 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:39:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] source for TR4 rear axle U bolts?
Message-ID: <4B573FBD.8040208@blacksburg.net>

I'm looking for a source for 3/8" grade 8 U bolts (or bolt stock) for 
the TR4 solid axle.  I've checked the usual suspects locally but no one 
carries bolt stock that small.  Even utility trailer shops don't carry 
stock smaller than 1/2".  Sheesh!

tia

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From billbab at me.com  Wed Jan 20 10:47:22 2010
From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:47:22 -1000
Subject: [Fot] rosebud racer by doug ross
In-Reply-To: <1A2EF6AC-C9F7-41C3-BD62-6677603A94B0@bnj.com>
References: <78c8.6ba5817.38835b6e@aol.com>
	<8CC6804C7C19A89-42B4-16F0F@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com>
	<1A2EF6AC-C9F7-41C3-BD62-6677603A94B0@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <5EF82001-DF93-4471-8AE2-2646415DF8D2@me.com>

Hey Alex, funny to see you here, I'm an FOT member since Peyote is a TR3-based special, as is my AMBRO and the cheater TR3 I first started vintage racing with. Hope these guys can help you out. I know the car more through the Mincheff's ownership than Doug Ross. To clarify for the members, Jacquelyn Mincheff (who I think was or is an FOT member) raced the Rosebud for awhile. She's moved on to a Lotus and a Lola T70 that she drives very well. 

I've known Alex for quite a few years, his sister was one of my company's most stellar salespeople, and I've bought a watch or two and some baubles for Diane at Alex's beautiful Watch store. Alex, we did talk about you having bought Jacqui's car but I somehow forgot it has a long history and is well known to this group. I'm in Maui, working hard at my new career as a surf bum, but when I get back to Oregon in the spring I'm going to drag you to a vintage race or two. I bet the bug bites. 

Bill Babcock
On Jan 20, 2010, at 6:28 AM, Andrew Mace wrote:


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jan 20 11:07:42 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:07:42 +0100
Subject: [Fot] source for TR4 rear axle U bolts?
In-Reply-To: <4B573FBD.8040208@blacksburg.net>
References: <4B573FBD.8040208@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <000b01ca99fb$7b1a90a0$714fb1e0$@com>

I use 7/16 u-bolts of Ford Escord.
They are much stronger and longer.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von J.C. Hassall
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Januar 2010 18:39
An: fot
Betreff: [Fot] source for TR4 rear axle U bolts?

I'm looking for a source for 3/8" grade 8 U bolts (or bolt stock) for
the TR4 solid axle.  I've checked the usual suspects locally but no one
carries bolt stock that small.  Even utility trailer shops don't carry
stock smaller than 1/2".  Sheesh!

tia

jim

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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Jan 20 12:43:27 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:43:27 EST
Subject: [Fot] source for TR4 rear axle U bolts?
Message-ID: <8b9e.5b2f768c.3888b6df@cs.com>

In a message dated 1/20/2010 12:01:31 PM Central Standard Time, 
jhassall at blacksburg.net writes:


> I'm looking for a source for 3/8" grade 8 U bolts (or bolt stock) for 
> the TR4 solid axle.  I've checked the usual suspects locally but no one 
> carries bolt stock that small.  Even utility trailer shops don't carry 
> stock smaller than 1/2".  Sheesh!
> 
> tia
> 
> jim
> 

I am not sure grade 8 is required.  Do you need them longer for lowering 
blocks?  You can go to 1/2" and have them custome made or they may have them 
on the shelf.  You drill the mounting plates O.S., of course.  It's a little 
tight, but I have done to two or three TRs when I was unable to find the 
3/8th".</HTML>


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Jan 20 12:38:51 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:38:51 EST
Subject: [Fot] rosebud racer by doug ross
Message-ID: <895f.6e0ce302.3888b5cb@cs.com>

Rose Bud is a very special TR3. Doug Ross was a very special person, too.  
I have a picture of Doug & and Rose Bud in my office. It is a panoramic view 
of the FOT at Mid-Ohio.

He joined us at mid-Ohio, not to race, but to be with the Triumph Folks. I 
invited him to stage Rose Bud with us for the panoramic picture.

He was exceptionally grateful. Later, I got a letter from him explaining 
why it was so important for him to be a part of the weekend and the picture. I 
spoke to him on the phone a few days before he died. He remained upbeat to 
the end, I believe.

Joe A


> Alex, with this reply I am copying the Friends of Triumph e-mail list. 
> Sadly,
> I knew Doug only through his involvement with the Vintage Triumph Register
> organization, and I really only know of the car what I've seen in pictures
> such as this one on the FoT Racing web site:
> 
> <http://fot-racing.com/tr3/caption/TR3Ross.htm>
> 
> Hopefully there are folks within FoT who might know more about Doug's car.
> 
> 
> 
> --Andy Mace
> 

</HTML>


From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jan 20 13:13:46 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:13:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] rosebud racer by doug ross
In-Reply-To: <895f.6e0ce302.3888b5cb@cs.com>
Message-ID: <20100120151346.839ZB.69985.imail@fed1rmwml44>

I think I have some good photos of Doug and the TR-3 from that 2002 Mid-Ohio run , I was the guest of honor there and did a lap in his car with him.
--
Never be beaten by equipment


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Jan 20 14:16:09 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:16:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] MOLDEX CRANK FOR TR4
In-Reply-To: <4B573ECD.5040809@blacksburg.net>
References: <000001ca9966$c144dcb0$43ce9610$@com>
	<4B573ECD.5040809@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0802AAB918@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Does anyone need a brand new Moldex crank, TR4 version ground for scroll kit?
They have one ready to go.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141


From jaboruch at netzero.net  Wed Jan 20 15:34:21 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:34:21 GMT
Subject: [Fot] source for TR4 rear axle U bolts?
Message-ID: <20100120.173421.834.3@webmail20.dca.untd.com>

Try a local spring shop.  When I needed u-bolts some years ago the spring shop
bent them for me to match the axle tube diameter.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] source for TR4 rear axle U bolts?
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:39:09 -0500

I'm looking for a source for 3/8" grade 8 U bolts (or bolt stock) for
the TR4 solid axle.  I've checked the usual suspects locally but no one
carries bolt stock that small.  Even utility trailer shops don't carry
stock smaller than 1/2".  Sheesh!

tia

jim

--
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Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go
Suggested annual donation $12.96

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From grmtim at aol.com  Thu Jan 21 07:38:54 2010
From: grmtim at aol.com (grmtim at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:38:54 EST
Subject: [Fot] Stupid road trip
Message-ID: <4854.71446163.3889c0fe@aol.com>

As I mentioned in a previous post, I have been looking for a big stupid 
station wagon to cart magazines around with and even tow my Trimuph to local 
events.

Unfortunately, I have found said wagon, a 1959 Edsel Villager and it is in 
Santa Ana, CA. One of the guys that works for me is in LA right now and 
instead of flying back, he is driving it to Scottsdale today and picking me up. 
I have been at the auctions, hustling magazines. From there we are driving 
the Edsel to Florida.

Tomorrow we head east following I-10. I think we will look for some back 
roads that run nearby. So, do any of you live along I-10 between Phoenix, AZ 
and Jville, FL? Are any of you crazy enough to help us, or even let us into 
your home's should we call you with a problem? Hey, what could possibly go 
wrong with a 50 year old car that we have never drivin before? And perhaps 
most importantly, what cool junkyards are between here and home that might have 
that 1500 Spitfire hood that I have been looking for or the trim pieces I 
still need for Margie's 63 Corvair, or even some Edsels?

Thanks and wish me luck!

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu Jan 21 13:38:30 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:38:30 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Stupid road trip
References: <4854.71446163.3889c0fe@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C8D9D5F8AEDF4BA8932EF356133AEA07@rocky>

Now let me get this right -- you're buying a 50-year-old car that was a flop 
in the first place and then you want to take it on back roads???

Man! Stick to I-10 so at least some trooper might happen along when you need 
that tow out in the West Texas desert or that barren bayou in Mississippi.

Let us know how the trip went. If you get back alive. ;-)

--Rocket J. Squirrel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <grmtim at aol.com>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:38 AM
Subject: [Fot] Stupid road trip


> As I mentioned in a previous post, I have been looking for a big stupid
> station wagon to cart magazines around with and even tow my Trimuph to 
> local
> events.
>
> Unfortunately, I have found said wagon, a 1959 Edsel Villager and it is in
> Santa Ana, CA. One of the guys that works for me is in LA right now and
> instead of flying back, he is driving it to Scottsdale today and picking 
> me up.
> I have been at the auctions, hustling magazines. From there we are driving
> the Edsel to Florida.
>
> Tomorrow we head east following I-10. I think we will look for some back
> roads that run nearby. So, do any of you live along I-10 between Phoenix, 
> AZ
> and Jville, FL? Are any of you crazy enough to help us, or even let us 
> into
> your home's should we call you with a problem? Hey, what could possibly go
> wrong with a 50 year old car that we have never drivin before? And perhaps
> most importantly, what cool junkyards are between here and home that might 
> have
> that 1500 Spitfire hood that I have been looking for or the trim pieces I
> still need for Margie's 63 Corvair, or even some Edsels?
>
> Thanks and wish me luck!
>
> Tim Suddard
> Publisher; Classic Motorsports
> and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
> www.classicmotorsports.net
> www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
> Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Jan 21 14:05:04 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:05:04 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Bearing clearances
In-Reply-To: <20100120050017.4B33C187682@autox.team.net>
References: <20100120050017.4B33C187682@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000001ca9add$6ee85410$4cb8fc30$@com>

I run large main bearing clearance and had trouble with large rod bearing
clearance.

So for this season I will continue running large main bearing clearance
(because of crank bending) and tight rod clearance because of the piston
guided rods.

Cheers
Chris


From pcdelux at att.net  Thu Jan 21 15:19:49 2010
From: pcdelux at att.net (Bill DeWar)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:19:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Stupid road trip
References: <4854.71446163.3889c0fe@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001a01ca9ae7$da2178b0$63514c0c@userbhfzubua17>

Hey Tim,

 If it breaks just make Gary push.
 Oh and what's a Trimuph?

Bill D
NJTA

----- Original Message -----
From: <grmtim at aol.com>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:38 AM
Subject: [Fot] Stupid road trip


> As I mentioned in a previous post, I have been looking for a big stupid
> station wagon to cart magazines around with and even tow my Trimuph to
local
> events.
>
> Unfortunately, I have found said wagon, a 1959 Edsel Villager and it is in
> Santa Ana, CA. One of the guys that works for me is in LA right now and
> instead of flying back, he is driving it to Scottsdale today and picking
me up.
> I have been at the auctions, hustling magazines. From there we are driving
> the Edsel to Florida.
>
> Tomorrow we head east following I-10. I think we will look for some back
> roads that run nearby. So, do any of you live along I-10 between Phoenix,
AZ
> and Jville, FL? Are any of you crazy enough to help us, or even let us
into
> your home's should we call you with a problem? Hey, what could possibly go
> wrong with a 50 year old car that we have never drivin before? And perhaps
> most importantly, what cool junkyards are between here and home that might
have
> that 1500 Spitfire hood that I have been looking for or the trim pieces I
> still need for Margie's 63 Corvair, or even some Edsels?
>
> Thanks and wish me luck!
>
> Tim Suddard
> Publisher; Classic Motorsports
> and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
> www.classicmotorsports.net
> www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
> Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723
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>
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From gp89 at charter.net  Thu Jan 21 17:40:16 2010
From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:40:16 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Stupid road trip
Message-ID: <20100121194016.CDLQB.2652753.root@mp11>

---- grmtim at aol.com wrote: 
                                                           Hey, what could possibly go 
> wrong with a 50 year old car that we have never drivin before?
 Tim,you have the coolest job.  
 My father was a factory service rep for Edsel before moving to Minneapolis. He has all sorts of stories about the unfortunate Edsel. The problems were usually  pranks from disgruntled employees. Their favorite was to tack a wire with a wrench tied to the end inside a rear fender. Made lots of noise and was hard to find.
Jeff Senty


From gp89 at charter.net  Thu Jan 21 17:40:43 2010
From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:40:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Stupid road trip
Message-ID: <20100121194043.1LUYQ.2652778.root@mp11>

---- grmtim at aol.com wrote: 
                                                           Hey, what could possibly go 
> wrong with a 50 year old car that we have never drivin before?
 Tim,you have the coolest job.  
 My father was a factory service rep for Edsel before moving to Minneapolis. He has all sorts of stories about the unfortunate Edsel. The problems were usually  pranks from disgruntled employees. Their favorite was to tack a wire with a wrench tied to the end inside a rear fender. Made lots of noise and was hard to find.
Jeff Senty   


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Thu Jan 21 22:07:03 2010
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:07:03 -0600
Subject: [Fot] source for TR4 rear axle U bolts?
In-Reply-To: <4B573FBD.8040208@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <000001ca9b20$bcfd5c20$6501a8c0@blake1>

Jim,

I'll be have some made at spring shop for my TR in the next couple of
days.  It takes about ten minutes to make them.  I'm making mine 2"
longer than stock so I can fine tune ride height with blocks.  You want
me to have them make you a set?  What length?
I am using the stock diameter of 3/8".

Anyone else need some?  Different diameter?

Greg  

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of J.C. Hassall
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:39 AM
To: fot
Subject: [Fot] source for TR4 rear axle U bolts?

I'm looking for a source for 3/8" grade 8 U bolts (or bolt stock) for 
the TR4 solid axle.  I've checked the usual suspects locally but no one 
carries bolt stock that small.  Even utility trailer shops don't carry 
stock smaller than 1/2".  Sheesh!

tia

jim

-- 
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Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go
Suggested annual donation $12.96

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From lfritz82 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 22 21:08:55 2010
From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:08:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Sonett caliper piston
Message-ID: <BAY125-W2792C5BF5F9C6A87951F8BDA610@phx.gbl>

Does anyone know a supplier of caliper pistons. I need one for a Saab Sonett
and I'm having trouble locating one. I guess I can have one made on a lathe,
but I would rather buy one if possible.  Thanks in advance    Lorne Fritz
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sat Jan 23 00:04:02 2010
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:04:02 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Sonett caliper piston
References: <BAY125-W2792C5BF5F9C6A87951F8BDA610@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <043D412CB3D34270B63B6C1250772538@desktop>

If I remember correctly the Austin America uses the same pistons as the 
Sonnet.
Check out eBay Item number: 230424211618
      Charly Mitchel
      TR6 #44

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lorne Fritz" <lfritz82 at hotmail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:08 PM
Subject: [Fot] Sonett caliper piston


> Does anyone know a supplier of caliper pistons. I need one for a Saab 
> Sonett
> and I'm having trouble locating one. I guess I can have one made on a 
> lathe,
> but I would rather buy one if possible.  Thanks in advance    Lorne Fritz
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Jan 23 18:54:17 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:54:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MG vs. Triumph
Message-ID: <41F961F483E44F2ABD825675DAFF1726@joepentiumnew>

I saw this in Sept 09 Automobiles Magazine and thought I'd share:

"You can be forgiven if the names don't mean anything to you.  One is a pair
of initials currently being slapped on Chinese-built Rover sedans; the other
is a word usually used to reference old, oil-leaking motorcycles.  Neither
has appeared on a new car in this country in more than twenty-five years,
but once, both were household names.

In the decades following WWII, British Marques MG and Triumph essentially
created the stateside market for the low-cost, high-fun roadster.  By
packaging pedestrian sedan components into rakish, droptop bodies, they
introduced thousands of people to the joys of cornering and all but invented
the wind-in-hair grin.  And while the two companies battled each other in
grand style at places like LeMans and the N|rburgring, the real contest took
place in showrooms.

It came down to a difference in personality: Triumph were raucous, snarly
little things, all torque and attitude, while MGs were more refined, often
slower, but usually better built.  The dichotomy regularly carried over into
ownership: According to lore, MG people wore string-back driving gloves and
saw Triumph jocks as hairy-eared brutes; Triumph people ate raw meat and
thought driving gloves were for dandy fops who drank light beer through a
straw.  Charmingly, each side was to be secretly in love with each other.

MG and Triumph faded out of the U.S. market in the early 80's, victims of
corporate avarice and terminal mismanagement.  Triumph later went belly-up;
MG, although still technically alive, has spent the past two decades on
badge-engineered life support.  All told, it was an ignominious end to one
of the automotive industries more likable duels."

Sam Smith

Cheers,
Joe Curry


From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat Jan 23 20:44:15 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:44:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MG vs. Triumph
In-Reply-To: <41F961F483E44F2ABD825675DAFF1726@joepentiumnew>
References: <41F961F483E44F2ABD825675DAFF1726@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS3E24FD0BEFCF1B54A9F5FC3600@phx.gbl>

Pretty much on the mark, though I would add that while us TR and MG folks were
worried about each other, the Porsche 356 and Alfa guys said the same things
about us that we now say about the Mazda Miata.

It's all relative.

And it is sad that our taste in cars is fading away.  The roads used to be
crawling with small, four cylinder, relatively affordable sports cars from
more than a few manufacturers. Now there is only the Miata.  And while it
sells in numbers that would make the Nuffield Organization/BMC/BLMC/JRT blush,
it is only a mere automotive footnote on a bygone era.

Who will carry the torch of the sports car ethic in the next generation?

We are dinosaurs, ladies and gents.

Terry Stetler


From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 21:16:56 2010
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:16:56 -0800
Subject: [Fot] [TR] MG vs. Triumph
In-Reply-To: <41F961F483E44F2ABD825675DAFF1726@joepentiumnew>
References: <41F961F483E44F2ABD825675DAFF1726@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <4B5BC9B8.6020207@gmail.com>

Joe Curry wrote:
> It came down to a difference in personality: Triumph were raucous, snarly
> little things, all torque and attitude,


I always thought of my Triumph more as a siren vixen, all attitude and
always game.  Red angora sweater, bright red lipstick and big red
plastic sunglasses over a big mischievous grin. What better companion
for a girl's day out.

Teriann


From group44tr7 at aol.com  Sun Jan 24 06:23:04 2010
From: group44tr7 at aol.com (group44tr7 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:23:04 EST
Subject: [Fot] MG vs. Triumph
Message-ID: <371f3.3aea797b.388da3b8@aol.com>

Joe
 
    Many of the later triumph advertisements tended to  be sending the 
message of buy the Triumph and you will get the vixen.  (Maybe the MG market 
were smarter than the Triumph market and did not buy  into the idea that 
driving a sports car would improve your sex appeal.)   And less we forget, Playboy 
sponsored the Group 44 TR7 in Australia. 
 
    As for the hairy brute stuff, I will only say that  my friend who was 
arrested for driving around in a gorilla costume was driving  an MG 
convertible :). 
 
    All the best, Cary


From andre at gt6.ca  Sun Jan 24 07:36:25 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:36:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] The Last Open Road
Message-ID: <4362ae391001240636v69e97f84naf6b5b28d69fd9e8@mail.gmail.com>

Well last week I finally started reading Burt's book.

I love it. Naturally.

The library system in Ottawa only had #1 and #4 Toly's Ghost.

I was going to read Toly's Ghost right after I finished Last Open Road
(will be done this week), but was told by a friend not to read them
out of order.

I casually mentioned this to my wife... Next thing I know she ordered
all 4 of the current books from Chapters. OUTSTANDING wife!
Guess they we're on sale and why the hell not.

At least I'll have some fresh material to read on the bus ride to work
every day.

Now to steal some garage time and finish off my roll cage.

Cheers.

A.

-- 
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
'77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
Ottawa, ON, Canada


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan 24 08:17:01 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:17:01 +0100
Subject: [Fot] [TR] MG vs. Triumph
In-Reply-To: <4B5BC9B8.6020207@gmail.com>
References: <41F961F483E44F2ABD825675DAFF1726@joepentiumnew>
	<4B5BC9B8.6020207@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001101ca9d08$4ad14b90$e073e2b0$@com>

I was not that lucky with cruising for girls.
Once I took a nice girl home, she had some wine.
On the Autobahn I had to lay her over the safety bar to let her vomit.

Alcohol in combination with hot Mobil 1 5w50 oil and fuel stench was too
much for her.
I never got her in that car again.

Good that there are more than one woman on this planet.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. Januar 2010 05:17
An: FOT
Betreff: Re: [Fot] [TR] MG vs. Triumph

Joe Curry wrote:
> It came down to a difference in personality: Triumph were raucous, snarly
> little things, all torque and attitude,


I always thought of my Triumph more as a siren vixen, all attitude and
always game.  Red angora sweater, bright red lipstick and big red
plastic sunglasses over a big mischievous grin. What better companion
for a girl's day out.

Teriann


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Jan 24 12:11:51 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:11:51 -0800
Subject: [Fot] MG vs. Triumph
In-Reply-To: <371f3.3aea797b.388da3b8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <08.AF.19307.87B9C5B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

>     As for the hairy brute stuff, I will only say that  my 
> friend who was 
> arrested for driving around in a gorilla costume was driving  an MG 
> convertible :). 

Clearly, the car was the problem.  Had he been driving a Triumph, they would
have just assumed he had forgotten to shave !

Randall


From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Sun Jan 24 12:17:48 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:17:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] shocks
Message-ID: <4B5C9CDC.4070803@cfl.rr.com>

Can someone tell me if the TR6 front shocks will physically fit a TR3?

thxx,
Bob


From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jan 24 12:53:26 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:53:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] shocks
In-Reply-To: <4B5C9CDC.4070803@cfl.rr.com>
References: <4B5C9CDC.4070803@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4B5CA536.4050409@bradakis.com>

Bob wrote:
> Can someone tell me if the TR6 front shocks will physically fit a TR3?
Yes, the shocks will physically fit.  But the stoke and overall lengths are
different between the 2-4 series and 4A-6, so they won't work that well.
At least that is what I remember from years ago.

mjb.


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Sun Jan 24 14:04:54 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:04:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] MG vs. Triumph
References: <41F961F483E44F2ABD825675DAFF1726@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <1C5723F5B71F487B944E595229AAC7EB@rocky>

When I was a kid, my dad had a girlfriend who had an MG TD. She didn't stick 
around long .. probably a good thing as the woman he later married was the 
World's Greatest Mom. Triumph not even in  the game yet and MG already has a 
score of nil.

First sports car I ever drove in anger was my brother's MGA. Oh, yeah! 
Hooked. MG 1, Triumph ?.

Came home to Lawrence, Ks., and went down to the British Motors dealer. He 
had an MG Midget on the lot in my price range. On the test drive it wandered 
all over the place. Salesman said that was normal. I didn't know enough 
about cars then to understand why, just that I didn't like it. Another 
missed score.

So I visited the Triumph store. Hadn't even heard much about them, but there 
was a little baby blue (Wedgewood Blue) '64 Spitfire on the lot in my price 
range. Felt nice and tight and responsive. Also it had those sleek Italian 
lines compared to the MG's squared-off design. And the owner of the store 
had a TR-4A that he RACED! Way cool. Bought the Spitfire. That was 1966. 
Still have it. Not baby blue any more (except for a little patch on the cowl 
I purposely never painted over) and it became a race car in 1971.

MG 3-and-out. Triumph won on its first play.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:54 PM
Subject: [Fot] MG vs. Triumph


>I saw this in Sept 09 Automobiles Magazine and thought I'd share:
>
> "You can be forgiven if the names don't mean anything to you.  One is a 
> pair
> of initials currently being slapped on Chinese-built Rover sedans; the 
> other
> is a word usually used to reference old, oil-leaking motorcycles.  Neither
> has appeared on a new car in this country in more than twenty-five years,
> but once, both were household names.
>
> In the decades following WWII, British Marques MG and Triumph essentially
> created the stateside market for the low-cost, high-fun roadster.  By
> packaging pedestrian sedan components into rakish, droptop bodies, they
> introduced thousands of people to the joys of cornering and all but 
> invented
> the wind-in-hair grin.  And while the two companies battled each other in
> grand style at places like LeMans and the N|rburgring, the real contest 
> took
> place in showrooms.
>
> It came down to a difference in personality: Triumph were raucous, snarly
> little things, all torque and attitude, while MGs were more refined, often
> slower, but usually better built.  The dichotomy regularly carried over 
> into
> ownership: According to lore, MG people wore string-back driving gloves 
> and
> saw Triumph jocks as hairy-eared brutes; Triumph people ate raw meat and
> thought driving gloves were for dandy fops who drank light beer through a
> straw.  Charmingly, each side was to be secretly in love with each other.
>
> MG and Triumph faded out of the U.S. market in the early 80's, victims of
> corporate avarice and terminal mismanagement.  Triumph later went 
> belly-up;
> MG, although still technically alive, has spent the past two decades on
> badge-engineered life support.  All told, it was an ignominious end to one
> of the automotive industries more likable duels."
>
> Sam Smith
>
> Cheers,
> Joe Curry
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From roadandtrack at bigpond.com  Sun Jan 24 15:06:26 2010
From: roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:06:26 +1000
Subject: [Fot] advice wanted on TR diff mounts
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1264359602.6213.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20100124220625.KWQL1743.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@rat01>

Can anyone offer any experience (postive or negative) on the 3 different TR
IRS rear diff mounting systems?. 

The 4A has a 2-piece rear diff case, with bolt on "ears" that accept the
same 2-piece  mounts front & rear. I'm assuming this will bolt into a later
TR (anyone comment??)

>From the parts book, it seems the TR250 modified the 4A arrangement to
accept a 1 piece mount, which looks same as TR6 rear mount. Is this
correct??

The TR6 has a sturdier looking 1-piece alloy case with a single piece rear
mount. I now have this system,. But the mounts are routinely falling apart,
hence my query

Thanks., Terry O'Beirne


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Sun Jan 24 21:54:25 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:54:25 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Video
Message-ID: <2FF3DAE5A2834B46902ACBE378021215@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

I uploaded a video from a race last August to Youtube yesterday.  This is
in-car stuff with wife Patty driving the Spitfire and friend Phil Weaver in
the Alfa.  Video footage from both cars has been blended together.

Enjoy!


From rikrock at aol.com  Mon Jan 25 09:21:46 2010
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:21:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Weber Setup Advice?
Message-ID: <8CC6BF19F90D6BF-267C-2C8CD@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com>

I'm looking for some advice on fitting a pair of Weber DCOE's to a TR4
vintage-race motor.  89mm bore, M-24 cam from Gillanders, 11.5cr , Stahl
header (can't remember the primary diameter or length)

I guess they will be 45's?  So, any suggestions on where to start with choke
size, jets, air correctors, emulsion tubes, etc?  Probably going to buy a new
pair along with a new manifold and linkage.  Where should I buy them?

Thanks!

Rich Rock


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue Jan 26 10:01:25 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:01:25 EST
Subject: [Fot] TR4  Roller For Sale    NFI
Message-ID: <b35e.30fcc2f0.389079e5@cs.com>

FOT.....this is likely the best roller you will ever see. 

Uncle Jack & I took a look at this car for another friend a few years ago. 
Jack's report was highly favorable but we went in another direction.  It is 
now available for sale once again.

<A HREF="http://davetalbotttr4rollingchassis.blogspot.com/">
http://davetalbotttr4rollingchassis.blogspot.com/</A>


Take a look at the above blogspot. If you know of someone who would benefit 
from this information, pass it on. It will be available for a short period 
and then will go to eBay for auction.

Regards,

Joe Alexander</HTML>


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 26 10:18:54 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:18:54 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR4  Roller For Sale    NFI
In-Reply-To: <b35e.30fcc2f0.389079e5@cs.com>
References: <b35e.30fcc2f0.389079e5@cs.com>
Message-ID: <CBD8461D-C756-4226-92EE-400157603317@earthlink.net>

That won't last long for the price.

~Steve



On Jan 26, 2010, at 9:01 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

FOT.....this is likely the best roller you will ever see.

Uncle Jack & I took a look at this car for another friend a few years  
ago.
Jack's report was highly favorable but we went in another direction.   
It is
now available for sale once again.

<A HREF="http://davetalbotttr4rollingchassis.blogspot.com/">
http://davetalbotttr4rollingchassis.blogspot.com/</A>


Take a look at the above blogspot. If you know of someone who would  
benefit
from this information, pass it on. It will be available for a short  
period
and then will go to eBay for auction.

Regards,

Joe Alexander</HTML>
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From andre at gt6.ca  Tue Jan 26 14:54:17 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:54:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
Message-ID: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>

Serious question.

Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?

2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?

Thoughts...

A.

-- 
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
'77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
Ottawa, ON, Canada


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 26 15:06:53 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:06:53 -0800
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DD8B4554-0B22-494F-A2F8-92DBE7AD3910@earthlink.net>

I hear the sound effects of a cukoo clock when I picture that  
scenario : )

~Steve


On Jan 26, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Andre Rousseau wrote:

Serious question.

Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?

2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?

Thoughts...

A.

-- 
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'77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
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From herald948 at aol.com  Tue Jan 26 15:10:14 2010
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:10:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
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-----Original Message-----

From: Andre Rousseau <andre at gt6.ca>


Serious question.

Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?

2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?


 ==AM==
Possible, I suppose, but iffy at best. There was a print ad for the home
market Vitesse, showing it towing a small formula car on a trailer. At the
very least, though, your GT would need to be pulling no more than a
lightweight trailer with a lightweight racer. Then, of course, you'd need to
figure out how a secure hitch would be mounted to the GT6, and you might need
to look at cooling, electrical and some drivetrain mechanical upgrades.



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
Database: http://triumph-herald.us


From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Jan 26 15:10:51 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:10:51 -0800
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4555535D24104483846ED9C740910418@Bud>

Holy Mackarel!...Don't jam on the brakes!....
I flat towed  a TR4 racecar with a Tr6 from Oakland Ca. to Laguna Seca....in 
1974...didn't make it though....Hardy Prentice is the guy to ask about that 
stuff...He towed his TR3 with an XKE...
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:54 PM
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


> Serious question.
>
> Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?
>
> 2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?
>
> Thoughts...
>
> A.
>
> -- 
> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
> '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
> Ottawa, ON, Canada
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Jan 26 15:11:36 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:11:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <850313448.13051591264543896623.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

It mostly depends on the length / weight of the trailer vs. the length/weight
of the

tow vehicle. It may tow OK in a strait line but if you are forced to take any
kind of

evasive action or get a crosswindB you will definetly have a big problem.

Frankly, I wouldn't do it.

jg




----- Original Message -----
From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:54:17 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?

Serious question.

Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?

2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?

Thoughts...

A.

--
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
'77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
Ottawa, ON, Canada
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From bownes at seiri.com  Tue Jan 26 15:37:25 2010
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:37:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <850313448.13051591264543896623.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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	<850313448.13051591264543896623.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Full size race car + all the other goodies you'd need to go racing, not
likely.

Small Formula car on lightweight open trailer, no problem. I've often
thought about a lightweight trailer for my FV so I could tow it behind the
TR6, Miata or MR2. But then there isn't room for the toolbox. :)



On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 5:11 PM, <toodamnfunky at comcast.net> wrote:

> It mostly depends on the length / weight of the trailer vs. the
> length/weight
> of the
>
> tow vehicle. It may tow OK in a strait line but if you are forced to take
> any
> kind of
>
> evasive action or get a crosswindB you will definetly have a big problem.
>
> Frankly, I wouldn't do it.
>
> jg
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:54:17 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
> Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
>
> Serious question.
>
> Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?
>
> 2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?
>
> Thoughts...
>
> A.
>
> --
> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
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> '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
> Ottawa, ON, Canada
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 26 15:40:21 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:40:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
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Having towed home a Volvo 164 behind a Fiat 850 and then pulling a  
full sized Blazer out of a ditch with said Volvo, most anything is  
possible. But I don't think a GT6 could handle the tung weight of a  
[loaded] trailer. Flat tow with a tow-bar might work but no brakes to  
the towed car would not be so good. Maybe a tow dolly with brakes?  
Never seen such but it's doable.
A friend tows a Bug-eye on a rather large trailer behind a '54  
Bentley... He jokes about how much better the Bentley stops with the  
electrically braked trailer attached!

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM

On Jan 26, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Andre Rousseau wrote:

> Serious question.
>
> Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?
>
> 2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?
>
> Thoughts...
>
> A.
>
> -- 
> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
> '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
> Ottawa, ON, Canada
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Tue Jan 26 15:49:41 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:49:41 -0800
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <926AC261FAD3468B9717B59D74B54990@jdnet.deere.com>

> Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?

IMO, yes, it's possible providing you find a lightweight trailer & racer &
you keep an eye on the temp gauge.  If you plan to do this on a regular
basis, I would also suggest electric brakes on the trailer and a matching
automatic controller on the GT6.

FWIW, I once towed a TR3A on a single axle boat trailer some 2500 miles,
through the Rockies & plains states, with a car only slightly heavier and
more powerful than a GT6 (2.8L V6, 2500 lbs curb weight).  Also had the
family and a full load of luggage along.  Had no problems at all, even at
70+ mph, except for burning lots of fuel (nearly 3 times more than normal
driving), and of course slowing down on upgrades.  Fortunately the CHP that
stopped me let me go with a warning on the speed (cars with trailers are
limited to 55 mph in CA).

Don't forget that you will have to have at least 10-12% of the gross weight
of the trailer transferred to the car's suspension (which will actually be
more like 16% at the rear wheels, with an open hitch).  Might need some
beefier springs or air shocks.  Even though they aren't normally used for
such a light trailer, a load-leveling hitch might be an option (to move some
of the transferred weight onto the front wheels of the car).

-- Randall  


From billb at bnj.com  Tue Jan 26 16:01:34 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:01:34 -1000
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D036909-0E0A-48DF-86FB-9064B4F28520@bnj.com>

It almost always comes down to brakes. I'd guess not, at least not safely. 
On Jan 26, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Andre Rousseau wrote:

> Serious question.
> 
> Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?
> 
> 2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?
> 
> Thoughts...
> 
> A.
> 
> -- 
> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
> '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
> Ottawa, ON, Canada
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Tue Jan 26 16:06:30 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:06:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00b301ca9edc$35b37eb0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  I think I'd get a big honking pickup with a Hemi under the hood!
  Your GT6 is too nice a car to tow with and probably a little underpowered.

  Is there a guy on the list known as catpusher? Is that Hardy Prentice? I
remember talking to Dave at TRF about a guy towing with a Jag. Of course,
the E Type had a lot more under the hood.

  If you buy my gas, I'll bring Moby Dick up and haul you around! Actually,
I may go to Mosport in June and crew for a friend from Grand Island who runs
an MGB. Hopefully you'll be there, with your car, on track.

  Good luck with whatever you decide

  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:54 PM
  Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


  > Serious question.
  >
  > Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?
  >
  > 2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?
  >
  > Thoughts...
  >
  > A.
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From riverside at southslope.net  Tue Jan 26 16:28:12 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:28:12 -0600
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
	<4555535D24104483846ED9C740910418@Bud>
Message-ID: <001201ca9edf$3c772fa0$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Ran a regional at Road America about '72.   two other
TR 3's there - one towed behind a 289 Cobra!

art de armond
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To: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


> Holy Mackarel!...Don't jam on the brakes!....
> I flat towed  a TR4 racecar with a Tr6 from Oakland Ca. to Laguna 
> Seca....in 1974...didn't make it though....Hardy Prentice is the guy to 
> ask about that stuff...He towed his TR3 with an XKE...
> Racer Bud
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:54 PM
> Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
>
>
>> Serious question.
>>
>> Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?
>>
>> 2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?
>>
>> Thoughts...
>>
>> A.
>>
>> -- 
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From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Jan 26 17:11:18 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:11:18 -0800
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100126191118.TYP1O.397522.imail@fed1rmwml33>

You never mentioned WHAT you intended to tow. BRAKES will be the key as you can change the tongue weight to suit and the gearbox will pull it okay, but stopping in the same day, (maybe not:-) (second gear for twenty miles in the Rockies) 

I have flat towed a lot, and that would probably be a better ticket. I flat towed my MG special with a 1951 Morgan 4 seater that had about 3 HP and it was okay over the Rockies too boot.
--
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Tue Jan 26 19:37:02 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:37:02 -0800
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <20100126191118.TYP1O.397522.imail@fed1rmwml33>
Message-ID: <45ABAECCF02C45BD8E5DB82A320F1C1E@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is how in the heck are you going to
mount the hitch on the GT6?  There's not much structure in the back 2 ft of
the car and I'm not sure how to run anything substantial up to the frame.
My Subaru Forester is rated to tow 2400 lbs with a class 3 receiver hitch
bolted to the frame.  Based on that, I'd put a safe max on the GT6 of less
than 1000 lbs.


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Jan 26 20:15:07 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:15:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <45ABAECCF02C45BD8E5DB82A320F1C1E@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <8CC6D160FD2D0F3-428C-F734@webmail-m018.sysops.aol.com>

Hardy used the rear tranny mount of a TR3 bolted to the E-TYPE unibody to
spread the loading and support the hitch for flat towing his TR3 race car.

While in his garage, he pointed at it and asked me if I knew what that was.

I thought it was great. But my purist friend, Hugh Patterson, thought it was
travesty.




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Sent: Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is how in the heck are you going to
ount the hitch on the GT6?  There's not much structure in the back 2 ft of
he car and I'm not sure how to run anything substantial up to the frame.
y Subaru Forester is rated to tow 2400 lbs with a class 3 receiver hitch
olted to the frame.  Based on that, I'd put a safe max on the GT6 of less
han 1000 lbs.
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From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Jan 26 20:22:46 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:22:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
References: <8CC6D160FD2D0F3-428C-F734@webmail-m018.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1D00F4C6F8D74DDB8E43BCE2ABDC584F@Bud>

It's not a big problem...You can 'Give it a Shot'...If it doesn't pan 
out....Then....I betcha you'll push that Turkey to the track....
Thanks for bringin' back the 'Old Days'
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <norlinengineering at comcast.net>; <andre at gt6.ca>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


> Hardy used the rear tranny mount of a TR3 bolted to the E-TYPE unibody to
> spread the loading and support the hitch for flat towing his TR3 race car.
>
> While in his garage, he pointed at it and asked me if I knew what that 
> was.
>
> I thought it was great. But my purist friend, Hugh Patterson, thought it 
> was
> travesty.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Norlin Engineering <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
> To: 'Andre Rousseau' <andre at gt6.ca>; fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:37 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
>
>
> One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is how in the heck are you going 
> to
> ount the hitch on the GT6?  There's not much structure in the back 2 ft of
> he car and I'm not sure how to run anything substantial up to the frame.
> y Subaru Forester is rated to tow 2400 lbs with a class 3 receiver hitch
> olted to the frame.  Based on that, I'd put a safe max on the GT6 of less
> han 1000 lbs.
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Tue Jan 26 20:13:46 2010
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:13:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <001201ca9edf$3c772fa0$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
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	<001201ca9edf$3c772fa0$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
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If you get it rolling   you may need electric brakes on the trailer to stop 
it
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "riverside" <riverside at southslope.net>
To: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>; "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>; 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


> Ran a regional at Road America about '72.   two other
> TR 3's there - one towed behind a 289 Cobra!
>
> art de armond
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
> To: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
>
>
>> Holy Mackarel!...Don't jam on the brakes!....
>> I flat towed  a TR4 racecar with a Tr6 from Oakland Ca. to Laguna 
>> Seca....in 1974...didn't make it though....Hardy Prentice is the guy to 
>> ask about that stuff...He towed his TR3 with an XKE...
>> Racer Bud
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
>> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:54 PM
>> Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
>>
>>
>>> Serious question.
>>>
>>> Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?
>>>
>>> 2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?
>>>
>>> Thoughts...
>>>
>>> A.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
>>> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
>>> '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Tue Jan 26 21:06:48 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:06:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
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 Has someone been sniffin fumes ?  But Ido remember there was a GT6 racer who
towed it with a TR8, I believe.








-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Rousseau <andre at gt6.ca>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:54 pm
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


Serious question.

Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?

2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?

Thoughts...

A.

--
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Tue Jan 26 21:39:09 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:39:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <8CC6D1D482D8B12-57B8-5B3A@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com>
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	<8CC6D1D482D8B12-57B8-5B3A@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com>
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The owner's manual for the TR8 says that you can tow up to 2800 pounds if
the trailer has brakes.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?

 Has someone been sniffin fumes ?  But Ido remember there was a GT6 racer
who
towed it with a TR8, I believe.








-----Original Message-----
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To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:54 pm
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


Serious question.

Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?

2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?

Thoughts...

A.

--
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Jan 27 07:47:17 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:47:17 EST
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
Message-ID: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com>

In a message dated 01/26/2010 5:32:23 PM Central Standard Time, 
riverside at southslope.net writes:


> Ran a regional at Road America about '72.   two other
> TR 3's there - one towed behind a 289 Cobra!
> 

Art...

I wonder if one of the others was Mike Belfer (or Tom Belfer, or Mike 
Cataldo, who often CO-drove Belfer's TR3).

In the early 1980s, I used to flat tow Ole Blue.  I had a very short, 
custom made tow bar set up, and it did not track very well at all.  At the time I 
was using an Oldsmobile Fierenza (sp?) as the tow vehicle.  Don't know if 
you remember them, but they were a pretty lightweight compact car.  Well, I 
was towing coming back to Brookfield from Blackhawk on I-43.  I tried to exit 
at Hwy. 164 and the TR3 pushed me past the exit.  On that day I decided 
that MASS was an important issue when selecting a tow vehicle.

Bill Dentinger


From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jan 27 12:06:57 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:06:57 -0600
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B608ED1.3050605@pobox.com>

Back in the day, I towed a trailer behind my TR250 from Dallas to 
Seattle.  The trailer was small, maybe 6x4x4 and maybe 1000 to 1500 
lbs.  Some of those passes in Colorado were 2nd gear all the way.  The 
transmission went out 4 months later and rear end went out after that.

Have you noticed we get into these towing discussions every winter?  I'm 
looking at a Touareg Diesel.  It's a compromise - a bit small for towing 
but more practical around town than a 3/4 ton diesel pickup.

Andre Rousseau wrote:
> Serious question.
>
> Could my GT6 haul a trailer and racer?
>
> 2L straight 6 with a 5 Speed trans and a 4:11 diff?
>
> Thoughts...
>
> A.


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Wed Jan 27 15:09:44 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:09:44 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Dave Talbot's TR4 is on Bring a Trailer webpage now
Message-ID: <D00D12437CBD415AA2EF6E9D46EA2035@latitudefb1e41>

http://bringatrailer.com/category/british/


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excellence.
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Jan 27 21:34:22 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:34:22 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Towing
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	<4B608ED1.3050605@pobox.com>
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So we had the discussion on using a GT-6 as a tow car (LOVE it).  And 
I've been trying to resist morphing this into the full on annual tow 
vehicle discussion, but I can't help myself.

I have a pretty heavy open trailer with a weight jacker hitch that I 
tow my TR-4 with.  I use a Chevy Astro van loaded to the gills and am 
generally pretty happy with it.  It would be nice to move up about 
one notch in power though.  My current one is getting a bit long in 
the tooth (at least from a miles standpoint) - I just turned over 
166,000 miles.  Of course, I've replace MANY parts throughout my 
tenure with this, some expected, some not expected.  The intake 
manifold gasket replacement sucked the big one but was cheap since I 
did it myself, and the brake booster blowout ended up being almost 
$2500 due to the incompetence of the initial repair (should have been 
$1200 and done).

Anyway, GM quit making these things and I'm toying with what to get 
as a replacement.  It doesn't have to happen right away, I can keep 
this one going probably past 200,000.

What I'm looking for is a USED, CHEAP, GREAT tow vehicle.  I really 
like the van idea because I can put a bunch of stuff in it out of the 
rain and such, it's semi-practical when I'm NOT towing, and I can 
carry PEOPLE with it too.  I can have my big cooler within arms reach 
while on the road.  I'm thinking about a lower mileage Astro from one 
of the last years of manufacture.  I paid $2900 for my Astro a few 
years ago (had a bit over 100,000 on it then), so that gives you an 
idea of how I work.  It was an incredible value in my book.  (The 
money goes in the RACE car.)  So, let's say $7,500 max purchase price.

A pickup with a back seat and a topper may be OK, or a BIG SUV may 
work but seems like it has more to go wrong and is very space inefficient.

I'm interested to hear what you think would work...

Thanks, Tony Drews


From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Jan 27 22:01:32 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:01:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Towing
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Message-ID: <8C73696E13EC4696B2F35FB3B7611054@joepentiumnew>

Tony,
I have an Avalanche that I tow my double deck trailer with two Spits and it
does just fine.

It has a cover for the back end so I can get a lot of stuff in it and with
the back seats laid down, it makes a lot more room for storage.

And since it has four doors, it makes a very good casual vehicle when not
going to events.

Joe C.

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Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:34 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Towing

So we had the discussion on using a GT-6 as a tow car (LOVE it).  And 
I've been trying to resist morphing this into the full on annual tow 
vehicle discussion, but I can't help myself.

I have a pretty heavy open trailer with a weight jacker hitch that I 
tow my TR-4 with.  I use a Chevy Astro van loaded to the gills and am 
generally pretty happy with it.  It would be nice to move up about 
one notch in power though.  My current one is getting a bit long in 
the tooth (at least from a miles standpoint) - I just turned over 
166,000 miles.  Of course, I've replace MANY parts throughout my 
tenure with this, some expected, some not expected.  The intake 
manifold gasket replacement sucked the big one but was cheap since I 
did it myself, and the brake booster blowout ended up being almost 
$2500 due to the incompetence of the initial repair (should have been 
$1200 and done).

Anyway, GM quit making these things and I'm toying with what to get 
as a replacement.  It doesn't have to happen right away, I can keep 
this one going probably past 200,000.

What I'm looking for is a USED, CHEAP, GREAT tow vehicle.  I really 
like the van idea because I can put a bunch of stuff in it out of the 
rain and such, it's semi-practical when I'm NOT towing, and I can 
carry PEOPLE with it too.  I can have my big cooler within arms reach 
while on the road.  I'm thinking about a lower mileage Astro from one 
of the last years of manufacture.  I paid $2900 for my Astro a few 
years ago (had a bit over 100,000 on it then), so that gives you an 
idea of how I work.  It was an incredible value in my book.  (The 
money goes in the RACE car.)  So, let's say $7,500 max purchase price.

A pickup with a back seat and a topper may be OK, or a BIG SUV may 
work but seems like it has more to go wrong and is very space inefficient.

I'm interested to hear what you think would work...

Thanks, Tony Drews
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From Catpusher at aol.com  Thu Jan 28 01:17:09 2010
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 03:17:09 EST
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
Message-ID: <18c.24e9f1ca.3892a205@aol.com>

It has been some time since Joe saw my E Type hitch.  There are two  bars 
inside the floor that bolt to a major strap under the backside that goes  
from the front bottom of the spare tire floor to past the tow ball mounting  
hole that is drilled through it.  The TR3 removable frame rear gearbox  mount 
connects the main bar to straps inside and out that tie into the 4 license  
plate mounting holes.
 
Ellie and I have owned one of the last GT6+s made, since new; and have put  
240,000 miles on it.  I would not suggest towing anything heavy with  it.  
Where do we get new laygears?
 
The GT6 parts book shows PN 210953  "towing attachment kit--rear"  fitted 
up to KC50000 only
and PN 214521 from KC50001 and future.......... on page 199  ACCESSORIES
 
Hardy
 
Date:  Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:15:07 -0500
From: n197tr4 at cs.com
Subject: Re: [Fot]  How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
To: norlinengineering at comcast.net,  andre at gt6.ca, fot at autox.team.net


Hardy used the rear tranny mount  of a TR3 bolted to the E-TYPE unibody to
spread the loading and support the  hitch for flat towing his TR3 race  car.


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Jan 28 07:38:25 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:38:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 'HARDLY A. APPRENTICE'  or  'THE E-TYPE TOW VEHICLE'
In-Reply-To: <18c.24e9f1ca.3892a205@aol.com>
References: <18c.24e9f1ca.3892a205@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC6E3EAF0D53C2-3F64-7D55@webmail-d052.sysops.aol.com>

Yup, I forgot about all of that other stuff connected to the TR3 tranny mount.
Age related thing.

I dont suppose you and Ellie and PC would consider joining us at Heartland
Park in August?

We will be there with Dusty.

Joe, Jan, Dusty








-----Original Message-----
From: Catpusher at aol.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Thu, Jan 28, 2010 2:17 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


It has been some time since Joe saw my E Type hitch.  There are two  bars
nside the floor that bolt to a major strap under the backside that goes
rom the front bottom of the spare tire floor to past the tow ball mounting
ole that is drilled through it.  The TR3 removable frame rear gearbox  mount
onnects the main bar to straps inside and out that tie into the 4 license
late mounting holes.

llie and I have owned one of the last GT6+s made, since new; and have put
40,000 miles on it.  I would not suggest towing anything heavy with  it.
here do we get new laygears?

he GT6 parts book shows PN 210953  "towing attachment kit--rear"  fitted
p to KC50000 only
nd PN 214521 from KC50001 and future.......... on page 199  ACCESSORIES

ardy

ate:  Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:15:07 -0500
rom: n197tr4 at cs.com
ubject: Re: [Fot]  How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
o: norlinengineering at comcast.net,  andre at gt6.ca, fot at autox.team.net

ardy used the rear tranny mount  of a TR3 bolted to the E-TYPE unibody to
pread the loading and support the  hitch for flat towing his TR3 race  car.
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Thu Jan 28 07:54:20 2010
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:54:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <20100128043439.7D1F518765B@autox.team.net>
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B608ED1.3050605@pobox.com>
	<20100128043439.7D1F518765B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <92A2C649-5E9A-4450-B367-0997050612C9@optonline.net>

1999 Ford Expedition. 18ft inclosed trailer, car, tools, wife, kids,  
toys,etc. Haven't check prices lately. I'm sure under 10g. Great all  
purpose vehicle.

My 2 cents
Todd


Sent from Cell phone


On Jan 27, 2010, at 11:34 PM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> So we had the discussion on using a GT-6 as a tow car (LOVE it).   
> And I've been trying to resist morphing this into the full on annual  
> tow vehicle discussion, but I can't help myself.
>
> I have a pretty heavy open trailer with a weight jacker hitch that I  
> tow my TR-4 with.  I use a Chevy Astro van loaded to the gills and  
> am generally pretty happy with it.  It would be nice to move up  
> about one notch in power though.  My current one is getting a bit  
> long in the tooth (at least from a miles standpoint) - I just turned  
> over 166,000 miles.  Of course, I've replace MANY parts throughout  
> my tenure with this, some expected, some not expected.  The intake  
> manifold gasket replacement sucked the big one but was cheap since I  
> did it myself, and the brake booster blowout ended up being almost  
> $2500 due to the incompetence of the initial repair (should have  
> been $1200 and done).
>
> Anyway, GM quit making these things and I'm toying with what to get  
> as a replacement.  It doesn't have to happen right away, I can keep  
> this one going probably past 200,000.
>
> What I'm looking for is a USED, CHEAP, GREAT tow vehicle.  I really  
> like the van idea because I can put a bunch of stuff in it out of  
> the rain and such, it's semi-practical when I'm NOT towing, and I  
> can carry PEOPLE with it too.  I can have my big cooler within arms  
> reach while on the road.  I'm thinking about a lower mileage Astro  
> from one of the last years of manufacture.  I paid $2900 for my  
> Astro a few years ago (had a bit over 100,000 on it then), so that  
> gives you an idea of how I work.  It was an incredible value in my  
> book.  (The money goes in the RACE car.)  So, let's say $7,500 max  
> purchase price.
>
> A pickup with a back seat and a topper may be OK, or a BIG SUV may  
> work but seems like it has more to go wrong and is very space  
> inefficient.
>
> I'm interested to hear what you think would work...
>
> Thanks, Tony Drews
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From LimeyV8 at aol.com  Thu Jan 28 09:35:29 2010
From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:35:29 EST
Subject: [Fot] Towing
Message-ID: <9c84.4e73741e.389316d1@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/28/2010 12:03:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
spitlist at cox.net writes:

I have  an Avalanche that I tow my double deck trailer with two Spits and it
does  just fine.

It has a cover for the back end so I can get a lot of stuff  in it and with
the back seats laid down, it makes a lot more room for  storage.

And since it has four doors, it makes a very good casual  vehicle when not
going to events.

Joe C.
 
 
Ditto or yeah, what he said.
 
I tow with an Avalanche - same color as Joe's actually - and like it a lot. 
 Its got almost 120,000 miles on it now - I've owned it since new and at 
least  75% of those miles were done towing a TR6 or TR8 somewhere. 
no problems with it - ever.
 
Cheers,
Jack Mc


From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Jan 28 10:03:08 2010
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:03:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <9c84.4e73741e.389316d1@aol.com>
References: <9c84.4e73741e.389316d1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd331001280903s338dea6bw9f1fb8e64c4edb30@mail.gmail.com>

wow...

I too am towing with an Avalanche. On my 2nd one in fact (2006 1500, we gave
the 2002 to the in-laws). Towing 24' enclosed trailer with whatever we're
racing/working on this weekend in it (FV, Nissan 200sx LeMons car, TR6,
etc).

IMHO, the 2002 is the one to own. The interior is a bit more comfy. The 1500
front brake disks warp on all of them, think about upgrading to the brake
calipers/rotors from the 2500 if need be.

Another alternative is to find a well loved ambulance. Preferably one owned
by a volunteer rescue squad as they take better care of vehicles. Our squad
just sold off a 6 year old Ford E350 Type III (the kind with the box on the
back) turbo diesel for $4k or so. 100k miles and still going strong. I
strongly considered buying it but it has this _nasty_ squeak in the steering
column that drove me _nuts_ on a several hour transport once. Easily fixed
with a new bushing, but just the memory put me off :)


On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:35 AM, <LimeyV8 at aol.com> wrote:

> In a message dated 1/28/2010 12:03:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> spitlist at cox.net writes:
>
> I have  an Avalanche that I tow my double deck trailer with two Spits and
> it
> does  just fine.
>
> It has a cover for the back end so I can get a lot of stuff  in it and with
> the back seats laid down, it makes a lot more room for  storage.
>
> And since it has four doors, it makes a very good casual  vehicle when not
> going to events.
>
> Joe C.
>
>
> Ditto or yeah, what he said.
>
> I tow with an Avalanche - same color as Joe's actually - and like it a lot.
>  Its got almost 120,000 miles on it now - I've owned it since new and at
> least  75% of those miles were done towing a TR6 or TR8 somewhere.
> no problems with it - ever.
>
> Cheers,
> Jack Mc
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 28 10:43:41 2010
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:43:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd331001280903s338dea6bw9f1fb8e64c4edb30@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9c84.4e73741e.389316d1@aol.com>
	<d9f7bd331001280903s338dea6bw9f1fb8e64c4edb30@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <982600.49707.qm@web80805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If anyone is interested in a new Ford product, get in touch with me.

Doug
Mitchell




________________________________
From: robert bownes
<bownes at seiri.com>
To: LimeyV8 at aol.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu,
January 28, 2010 12:03:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing

wow...

I too am
towing with an Avalanche. On my 2nd one in fact (2006 1500, we gave
the 2002
to the in-laws). Towing 24' enclosed trailer with whatever we're
racing/working on this weekend in it (FV, Nissan 200sx LeMons car, TR6,
etc).
IMHO, the 2002 is the one to own. The interior is a bit more comfy. The 1500
front brake disks warp on all of them, think about upgrading to the brake
calipers/rotors from the 2500 if need be.

Another alternative is to find a
well loved ambulance. Preferably one owned
by a volunteer rescue squad as they
take better care of vehicles. Our squad
just sold off a 6 year old Ford E350
Type III (the kind with the box on the
back) turbo diesel for $4k or so. 100k
miles and still going strong. I
strongly considered buying it but it has this
_nasty_ squeak in the steering
column that drove me _nuts_ on a several hour
transport once. Easily fixed
with a new bushing, but just the memory put me
off :)


On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:35 AM, <LimeyV8 at aol.com> wrote:

> In a
message dated 1/28/2010 12:03:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>
spitlist at cox.net writes:
>
> I have  an Avalanche that I tow my double deck
trailer with two Spits and
> it
> does  just fine.
>
> It has a cover for the
back end so I can get a lot of stuff  in it and with
> the back seats laid
down, it makes a lot more room for  storage.
>
> And since it has four doors,
it makes a very good casual  vehicle when not
> going to events.
>
> Joe C.
>
>
> Ditto or yeah, what he said.
>
> I tow with an Avalanche - same color as
Joe's actually - and like it a lot.
>  Its got almost 120,000 miles on it now
- I've owned it since new and at
> least  75% of those miles were done towing
a TR6 or TR8 somewhere.
> no problems with it - ever.
>
> Cheers,
> Jack Mc
>
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 28 10:54:45 2010
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:54:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <20100128043439.7D1F518765B@autox.team.net>
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4B608ED1.3050605@pobox.com>,
	<20100128043439.7D1F518765B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W4437E915E4CEEF9B2CA174BA5C0@phx.gbl>

 FWIW I am on my 3rd F-150 $X$ (oops I mean 4X4) extended cab with a tonue
cover. Never had trouble with any of them. I have always gone with the 5.4L
and they have been great tow vehicles for me. For years I had a steel trailer
built like a tank and it did great. A few years ago I fell into a deal on an
aluminum trailer. Now I don't even know I am towing something behind me. My 09
has the built in trailer brakes, good stuff.



Marty

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From riverside at southslope.net  Thu Jan 28 11:57:05 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:57:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Towing
References: <9c84.4e73741e.389316d1@aol.com>
	<d9f7bd331001280903s338dea6bw9f1fb8e64c4edb30@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008e01caa04b$af407970$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Any body try one of the airport
shuttle bus Diesels??

art de armond
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "robert bownes" <bownes at seiri.com>
To: <LimeyV8 at aol.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing


> wow...
>
> I too am towing with an Avalanche. On my 2nd one in fact (2006 1500, we 
> gave
> the 2002 to the in-laws). Towing 24' enclosed trailer with whatever we're
> racing/working on this weekend in it (FV, Nissan 200sx LeMons car, TR6,
> etc).
>
> IMHO, the 2002 is the one to own. The interior is a bit more comfy. The 
> 1500
> front brake disks warp on all of them, think about upgrading to the brake
> calipers/rotors from the 2500 if need be.
>
> Another alternative is to find a well loved ambulance. Preferably one 
> owned
> by a volunteer rescue squad as they take better care of vehicles. Our 
> squad
> just sold off a 6 year old Ford E350 Type III (the kind with the box on 
> the
> back) turbo diesel for $4k or so. 100k miles and still going strong. I
> strongly considered buying it but it has this _nasty_ squeak in the 
> steering
> column that drove me _nuts_ on a several hour transport once. Easily fixed
> with a new bushing, but just the memory put me off :)
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:35 AM, <LimeyV8 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 1/28/2010 12:03:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> spitlist at cox.net writes:
>>
>> I have  an Avalanche that I tow my double deck trailer with two Spits and
>> it
>> does  just fine.
>>
>> It has a cover for the back end so I can get a lot of stuff  in it and 
>> with
>> the back seats laid down, it makes a lot more room for  storage.
>>
>> And since it has four doors, it makes a very good casual  vehicle when 
>> not
>> going to events.
>>
>> Joe C.
>>
>>
>> Ditto or yeah, what he said.
>>
>> I tow with an Avalanche - same color as Joe's actually - and like it a 
>> lot.
>>  Its got almost 120,000 miles on it now - I've owned it since new and at
>> least  75% of those miles were done towing a TR6 or TR8 somewhere.
>> no problems with it - ever.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jack Mc
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>>
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From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Jan 28 12:17:43 2010
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:17:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <008e01caa04b$af407970$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <9c84.4e73741e.389316d1@aol.com>
	<d9f7bd331001280903s338dea6bw9f1fb8e64c4edb30@mail.gmail.com>
	<008e01caa04b$af407970$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd331001281117m4b2aa9fbse145ef9e08f91474@mail.gmail.com>

There was a guy I knew out in Ca who had one who was pretty happy with it.
Can't for the life of me remember his name though.


On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:57 PM, riverside <riverside at southslope.net> wrote:

> Any body try one of the airport
> shuttle bus Diesels??
>
> art de armond
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert bownes" <bownes at seiri.com>
> To: <LimeyV8 at aol.com>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing
>
>
>  wow...
>>
>> I too am towing with an Avalanche. On my 2nd one in fact (2006 1500, we
>> gave
>> the 2002 to the in-laws). Towing 24' enclosed trailer with whatever we're
>> racing/working on this weekend in it (FV, Nissan 200sx LeMons car, TR6,
>> etc).
>>
>> IMHO, the 2002 is the one to own. The interior is a bit more comfy. The
>> 1500
>> front brake disks warp on all of them, think about upgrading to the brake
>> calipers/rotors from the 2500 if need be.
>>
>> Another alternative is to find a well loved ambulance. Preferably one
>> owned
>> by a volunteer rescue squad as they take better care of vehicles. Our
>> squad
>> just sold off a 6 year old Ford E350 Type III (the kind with the box on
>> the
>> back) turbo diesel for $4k or so. 100k miles and still going strong. I
>> strongly considered buying it but it has this _nasty_ squeak in the
>> steering
>> column that drove me _nuts_ on a several hour transport once. Easily fixed
>> with a new bushing, but just the memory put me off :)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:35 AM, <LimeyV8 at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>  In a message dated 1/28/2010 12:03:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> spitlist at cox.net writes:
>>>
>>> I have  an Avalanche that I tow my double deck trailer with two Spits and
>>> it
>>> does  just fine.
>>>
>>> It has a cover for the back end so I can get a lot of stuff  in it and
>>> with
>>> the back seats laid down, it makes a lot more room for  storage.
>>>
>>> And since it has four doors, it makes a very good casual  vehicle when
>>> not
>>> going to events.
>>>
>>> Joe C.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ditto or yeah, what he said.
>>>
>>> I tow with an Avalanche - same color as Joe's actually - and like it a
>>> lot.
>>>  Its got almost 120,000 miles on it now - I've owned it since new and at
>>> least  75% of those miles were done towing a TR6 or TR8 somewhere.
>>> no problems with it - ever.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jack Mc
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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>>> Suggested annual donation $12.96
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Jan 28 12:58:31 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:58:31 EST
Subject: [Fot] Towing
Message-ID: <117e0.762f5f39.38934667@aol.com>

In a message dated 01/28/2010 1:03:01 PM Central Standard Time, 
riverside at southslope.net writes:


> Any body try one of the airport
> shuttle bus Diesels??
> 
> 

Amici...

For the last four or five years I have been towing a 24' enclosed trailer 
and a race car with a 1995 Chevrolet G30 (One Ton) cargo van.  It's previous 
owner was the National Guard (Texas).  I bought it on ebay in the summer of 
2004 when it had just over 40,000 miles.  Inside I mounted peg board on one 
side and shelves on the other.  It will store and carry pretty much anything 
I want to bring along.  A one ton van is a beast size wise, is sprung like 
a five yard dump, but it has a very civil ride, and is very comfortable.

This vehicle has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine (not Chevy's best effort 
ever).  Starts and runs just fine, but tends to struggle a little bit on 
steep hills.  It used to be even worse, but I've helped myself quite a bit by 
converting to Marine Injectors (thanks to FOTer Mark Craig), and also 
opening up the exhaust system.  The latter made the van sound more like a race car 
than the race car.  At some point I would like to convert to a Marine Pump 
as well.    

I've used a bunch of different tow vehicles (cars, panel, pickups, 
converted vans) down through the years.  All of them had their good and bad points, 
but I really like this big One Ton Cargo Van, and I don't have a ton of 
money tied up in it.

Bill Dentinger


From billb at bnj.com  Thu Jan 28 13:15:43 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:15:43 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <117e0.762f5f39.38934667@aol.com>
References: <117e0.762f5f39.38934667@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C3F36DAC-8948-4AD1-B976-996E4BEE6325@bnj.com>

I'm really fond of my F350 crew cab King Ranch edition and of course Nero, my
airstream toyhauler. I'm going to be selling both this year I think. Diane and
I decided to simplify things to reduce the maintenance load.
http://www.allaluminumtour.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/mall-o-murrica.JPG .
Peyote is being cared for and transported by Tony Garmey (Horizon Racing) and
I'm probably going to get a lightweight open trailer for occasional hauls of
the Ambro.

The F350 has been flawless. the only issue is that Diane hates driving it. It
even gets pretty good mileage--16-17 MPG with no trailer, 14 mpg hauling nero
with a full travel load of Peyote, parts, and all the junk we took on our five
month walkabout. Remarkably comfortable rig.

I suspect we're going to replace it with a Mercedes ML350 Bluetec Diesel
unless some american car manufacturer comes out with something with similar
specs. 7200 pound towing capacity, 25 MPG and Diane likes driving it.

On Jan 28, 2010, at 9:58 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 01/28/2010 1:03:01 PM Central Standard Time,
> riverside at southslope.net writes:
>
>
>> Any body try one of the airport
>> shuttle bus Diesels??
>>
>>
>
> Amici...
>
> For the last four or five years I have been towing a 24' enclosed trailer
> and a race car with a 1995 Chevrolet G30 (One Ton) cargo van.  It's previous
> owner was the National Guard (Texas).  I bought it on ebay in the summer of
> 2004 when it had just over 40,000 miles.  Inside I mounted peg board on one
> side and shelves on the other.  It will store and carry pretty much anything
> I want to bring along.  A one ton van is a beast size wise, is sprung like
> a five yard dump, but it has a very civil ride, and is very comfortable.
>
> This vehicle has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine (not Chevy's best effort
> ever).  Starts and runs just fine, but tends to struggle a little bit on
> steep hills.  It used to be even worse, but I've helped myself quite a bit
by
> converting to Marine Injectors (thanks to FOTer Mark Craig), and also
> opening up the exhaust system.  The latter made the van sound more like a
race car
> than the race car.  At some point I would like to convert to a Marine Pump
> as well.
>
> I've used a bunch of different tow vehicles (cars, panel, pickups,
> converted vans) down through the years.  All of them had their good and bad
points,
> but I really like this big One Ton Cargo Van, and I don't have a ton of
> money tied up in it.
>
> Bill Dentinger
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Thu Jan 28 14:21:45 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:21:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <C3F36DAC-8948-4AD1-B976-996E4BEE6325@bnj.com>
References: <117e0.762f5f39.38934667@aol.com>
	<C3F36DAC-8948-4AD1-B976-996E4BEE6325@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <4B61FFE9.9000502@pobox.com>

I'm a firm believer in diesel technology.  After all, its 
thermodynamically more efficient and now very clean.  Unfortunately, 
only the Europeans have embraced it.  There are now four choices without 
going to a big 3/4 ton or larger pickup -  Mercedes, BMW, Audi and VW.  
I like the BMW engine, but towing appears to be an afterthought.  The 
others have 3.0L V6 engines with about 400 ft-lb of torque.  Of course, 
they are all a bit more expensive than what Tony is after.
Larry

Bill Babcock wrote:
> I suspect we're going to replace it with a Mercedes ML350 Bluetec Diesel
> unless some american car manufacturer comes out with something with similar
> specs. 7200 pound towing capacity, 25 MPG and Diane likes driving it.


From andre at gt6.ca  Thu Jan 28 14:53:44 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:53:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <4B61FFE9.9000502@pobox.com>
References: <117e0.762f5f39.38934667@aol.com>
	<C3F36DAC-8948-4AD1-B976-996E4BEE6325@bnj.com>
	<4B61FFE9.9000502@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <4362ae391001281353r2ed1a237nf80ae27c6cf70b57@mail.gmail.com>

When we brought my Italian Red-Head home this summer we towed with my
Friend's Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 3L diesel.

Awesome vehicle to tow with. It was 4AM and I was racing towards New
York and very comfortable. Quiet ride too.

Would love something like that, but like Bill said too big for my
better half. And $$$$ used they are still well over 20K.

I would love a truck, but can't see myself driving a F150 to work either.

Maybe a Ford Escape. I looked at the VW's, but 40-50K for a diesel
Tourage... Again more then I want to spend specially on the account
that they will rust away over time here.

I'm sure all the pieces will sort themselves out in time.

A.

On 28 January 2010 16:21, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:
> I'm a firm believer in diesel technology.  After all, its thermodynamically
> more efficient and now very clean.  Unfortunately, only the Europeans have
> embraced it.  There are now four choices without going to a big 3/4 ton or
> larger pickup -  Mercedes, BMW, Audi and VW.  I like the BMW engine, but
> towing appears to be an afterthought.  The others have 3.0L V6 engines with
> about 400 ft-lb of torque.  Of course, they are all a bit more expensive
> than what Tony is after.
> Larry
>
> Bill Babcock wrote:
>>
>> I suspect we're going to replace it with a Mercedes ML350 Bluetec Diesel
>> unless some american car manufacturer comes out with something with
>> similar
>> specs. 7200 pound towing capacity, 25 MPG and Diane likes driving it.
>
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From riverside at southslope.net  Thu Jan 28 15:44:32 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:44:32 -0600
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
Message-ID: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Anybody have good or bad experiences with
light weight batteries like braille?

art de armond


From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 28 17:03:10 2010
From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (Chip Collingwood)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:03:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] came across these
Message-ID: <380-2201015290310968@earthlink.net>

came across these today

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544129050&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544130321&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544131306&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT

Chip Collingwood
69 TR6 Eprod
71 2dr 510 Vintage 


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Jan 28 17:18:30 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:18:30 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <20100128043439.7D1F518765B@autox.team.net>
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B608ED1.3050605@pobox.com>
	<20100128043439.7D1F518765B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000801caa078$986de8e0$c949baa0$@com>

Tony,
Send an e-mail to Ryan. He did a lot of research on what
engine/transmissions work and don't have problems when he bought the diesel
Excursion.  I think he paid about in the ballpark of what you are looking at
for the Excursion when he got it used at a dealer in Minneapolis.  It sure
pulls nice and you could hold a party inside of it!  I'll forward your post
to him.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:34 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Towing

So we had the discussion on using a GT-6 as a tow car (LOVE it).  And 
I've been trying to resist morphing this into the full on annual tow 
vehicle discussion, but I can't help myself.

I have a pretty heavy open trailer with a weight jacker hitch that I 
tow my TR-4 with.  I use a Chevy Astro van loaded to the gills and am 
generally pretty happy with it.  It would be nice to move up about 
one notch in power though.  My current one is getting a bit long in 
the tooth (at least from a miles standpoint) - I just turned over 
166,000 miles.  Of course, I've replace MANY parts throughout my 
tenure with this, some expected, some not expected.  The intake 
manifold gasket replacement sucked the big one but was cheap since I 
did it myself, and the brake booster blowout ended up being almost 
$2500 due to the incompetence of the initial repair (should have been 
$1200 and done).

Anyway, GM quit making these things and I'm toying with what to get 
as a replacement.  It doesn't have to happen right away, I can keep 
this one going probably past 200,000.

What I'm looking for is a USED, CHEAP, GREAT tow vehicle.  I really 
like the van idea because I can put a bunch of stuff in it out of the 
rain and such, it's semi-practical when I'm NOT towing, and I can 
carry PEOPLE with it too.  I can have my big cooler within arms reach 
while on the road.  I'm thinking about a lower mileage Astro from one 
of the last years of manufacture.  I paid $2900 for my Astro a few 
years ago (had a bit over 100,000 on it then), so that gives you an 
idea of how I work.  It was an incredible value in my book.  (The 
money goes in the RACE car.)  So, let's say $7,500 max purchase price.

A pickup with a back seat and a topper may be OK, or a BIG SUV may 
work but seems like it has more to go wrong and is very space inefficient.

I'm interested to hear what you think would work...

Thanks, Tony Drews
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Thu Jan 28 20:37:27 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:37:27 -0800
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
In-Reply-To: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <A80EA41B99294161AD73B37463D1EF6A@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

I'm not familiar with that battery, but I'm using a Miata battery and have
had great luck with it.  Less than $100 but you have to go to a dealer to
find one or get them on-line.

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of riverside
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:45 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries


Anybody have good or bad experiences with
light weight batteries like braille?

art de armond
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Jan 28 21:34:17 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:34:17 -0800
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
In-Reply-To: <A80EA41B99294161AD73B37463D1EF6A@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <3B.2D.02041.845626B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> Less than $100 but you have to go to 
> a dealer to
> find one or get them on-line. 

Oddly enough, my friend found one at the local independent auto parts store
just a few weeks ago.  It had been on the shelf for awhile though, so no
idea how long it will last in service.

Randall


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jan 28 22:15:42 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:15:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
In-Reply-To: <3B.2D.02041.845626B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
References: <A80EA41B99294161AD73B37463D1EF6A@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<3B.2D.02041.845626B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20100129051605.B91B4187869@autox.team.net>

My original 1995 Miata gel cell battery lasted like 13 years (in a 95 
Miata, of course).  I bought a replacement at the Mazda dealer 
because I was so impressed with the longevity.  They went to normal 
lead / acid because of the SHORT life of the sealed gel cell ones - 
the parts guy said that folks usually didn't get more than 3 years 
out of them!  They had a venting kit to keep the fumes out of the 
trunk, so it was good to get the full dealer treatment anyway.

I've got an Optima gel cell in the race car and am extremely happy 
with it, but lightweight is not a term I'd use to describe it.

I did discover that my alternator hadn't worked right for possibly a 
year or two and I never noticed it at the track.  Maybe it charged 
slightly, but once I figured out what was going on I was REALLY 
impressed by the Optima.

- Tony

At 10:34 PM 1/28/2010, Randall wrote:
> > Less than $100 but you have to go to
> > a dealer to
> > find one or get them on-line.
>
>Oddly enough, my friend found one at the local independent auto parts store
>just a few weeks ago.  It had been on the shelf for awhile though, so no
>idea how long it will last in service.
>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Jan 29 00:44:47 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:44:47 +0100
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
In-Reply-To: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>

I use a small Hawker 20AH battery. Cute thing. Does its job very well.

Cheers
Chris

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Anybody have good or bad experiences with
light weight batteries like braille?

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From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com  Fri Jan 29 05:40:38 2010
From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:40:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 spring rates
In-Reply-To: <001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>
References: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>
Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98AFDF80793@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>

I am setting up a GT6 for hard racing. It came with 1000# spring rates at the
front. This seems high - I was wondering what others are running.
Thanks
Bill

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From jaboruch at netzero.com  Fri Jan 29 06:57:16 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:57:16 GMT
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
Message-ID: <20100129.085716.19219.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com>

I have been using an Odyssey PC680MJT battery.  It is a dry cell, can be
mounted in any position, and is 15 pounds.  I run an alternator with this, but
have seen others use it without an alternator.  Before I used the alternator I
used the PC925MJT and ran just off the battery.  the 925 is about 26 pounds.
Joe(B)

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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:44:32 -0600

Anybody have good or bad experiences with
light weight batteries like braille?

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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 08:32:13 2010
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:32:13 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <92A2C649-5E9A-4450-B367-0997050612C9@optonline.net>
References: <4362ae391001261354k294d19d0t59bbe3d19dc52165@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B608ED1.3050605@pobox.com>
	<20100128043439.7D1F518765B@autox.team.net>
	<92A2C649-5E9A-4450-B367-0997050612C9@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <4B62FF7D.6090308@gmail.com>

Todd Redmond wrote:
> 1999 Ford Expedition. 18ft inclosed trailer, car, tools, wife, kids, 
> toys,etc. Haven't check prices lately. I'm sure under 10g. Great all 
> purpose vehicle.

Any idea of what the price would be without the wife and kids?  I don't 
think I'd find those accessories useful.  The truck with the rest of the 
accessories for under $10K sounds good though.

Teriann


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Jan 29 08:48:20 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:48:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
In-Reply-To: <001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>
References: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>
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On Fri, 29 Jan 2010, MadMarx wrote:

> I use a small Hawker 20AH battery. Cute thing. Does its job very well.

Could you provide a part number?

Is it built up from 12 volt "monoblocks" or is it something different?

I'm thinking about loosing some weight on the car this year (like 40 - 60 
pounds) and the battery looks like an easy win.

:-)

> Cheers
> Chris

regards,
rml
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Fri Jan 29 09:17:05 2010
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:17:05 -0800
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1001291045130.8281@isis.mit.edu>
References: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>,
	<001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>,
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1001291045130.8281@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W212FF6509F879E75FD8C0FB25B0@phx.gbl>

Loosing weight on a TR4:

I also use the odyssay 620 in 90% of the cars that I build. Avg. life span is
3-4 years.

I have made Cast/ heat treated Alloy to T6 Brake caliper mounts. Saves 1.5 lbs
and also I have made c/moly tubular sway bars. 4.5lbs less than the solid
7/8's bar. Can do 3/4 also. Bars are also h/treated.

PM if interested.



Thx

Tony

> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:48:20 -0500
> From: lang at isis.mit.edu
> To: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] light weight batteries
>
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010, MadMarx wrote:
>
> > I use a small Hawker 20AH battery. Cute thing. Does its job very well.
>
> Could you provide a part number?
>
> Is it built up from 12 volt "monoblocks" or is it something different?
>
> I'm thinking about loosing some weight on the car this year (like 40 - 60
> pounds) and the battery looks like an easy win.
>
> :-)
>
> > Cheers
> > Chris
>
> regards,
> rml
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Jan 29 09:26:19 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:26:19 +0100
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1001291045130.8281@isis.mit.edu>
References: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1001291045130.8281@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <005a01caa0ff$cb253b80$616fb280$@com>

It is a Hawker Odyssey PC 680 20 Ah 12V

To lose some weight.....I always start with my body weight.....and it makes
life cheaper ;-)

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Robert M. Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu]
Gesendet: Freitag, 29. Januar 2010 16:48
An: MadMarx
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] light weight batteries

On Fri, 29 Jan 2010, MadMarx wrote:

> I use a small Hawker 20AH battery. Cute thing. Does its job very well.

Could you provide a part number?

Is it built up from 12 volt "monoblocks" or is it something different?

I'm thinking about loosing some weight on the car this year (like 40 - 60
pounds) and the battery looks like an easy win.

:-)

> Cheers
> Chris

regards,
rml
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2009 NER Solo Chair                            |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Jan 29 10:13:09 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:13:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
In-Reply-To: <BLU136-W212FF6509F879E75FD8C0FB25B0@phx.gbl>
References: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>,
	<001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>,
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1001291045130.8281@isis.mit.edu>
	<BLU136-W212FF6509F879E75FD8C0FB25B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <571A1E481FE34DDFBCE9712DC7DC7063@joepentiumnew>

When I was autocrossing Tiny Tim, I used the battery out of one of those
portable starter units.  The battery was about 3" by 7" by about 5" high and
extremely light.  I always carried a full size battery and cables in case it
ran out of juice but never had to use it.  My main concern was initial
startup, but apparently the battery held enough charge for several starts.

A full charge before the event was enough to last the whole day.

Joe C. 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony and Annie Garmey
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:17 AM
To: lang at isis.mit.edu; tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] light weight batteries

Loosing weight on a TR4:

I also use the odyssay 620 in 90% of the cars that I build. Avg. life span
is
3-4 years.

I have made Cast/ heat treated Alloy to T6 Brake caliper mounts. Saves 1.5
lbs
and also I have made c/moly tubular sway bars. 4.5lbs less than the solid
7/8's bar. Can do 3/4 also. Bars are also h/treated.

PM if interested.



Thx

Tony

> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:48:20 -0500
> From: lang at isis.mit.edu
> To: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] light weight batteries
>
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010, MadMarx wrote:
>
> > I use a small Hawker 20AH battery. Cute thing. Does its job very well.
>
> Could you provide a part number?
>
> Is it built up from 12 volt "monoblocks" or is it something different?
>
> I'm thinking about loosing some weight on the car this year (like 40 - 60
> pounds) and the battery looks like an easy win.
>
> :-)
>
> > Cheers
> > Chris
>
> regards,
> rml
>
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 11:58:20 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:58:20 -0800
Subject: [Fot] came across these
In-Reply-To: <380-2201015290310968@earthlink.net>
References: <380-2201015290310968@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <65f1eaba1001291058s43a5dfaaqc947d7c84e700cf8@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Amici:

Tim's email got me thinking. I have 6 extra American Racing libre wheels in
15 x 5.5 (I think the width is right but they still have tires on them).
Contact me off list if you want pictures since they are varied in condition
although they range from good to very good. Anybody want them?

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Chip Collingwood
<tr6racer21 at earthlink.net>wrote:

> came across these today
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544129050&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544130321&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544131306&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>
> Chip Collingwood
> 69 TR6 Eprod
> 71 2dr 510 Vintage
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 29 12:11:25 2010
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:11:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Master Switch Decal
Message-ID: <286642.47942.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI - anyone out there have access to a 'Vintage' looking Off decal/sticker for the master switch.
.....a picture of one might even help.
Thanks
Dennis


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Fri Jan 29 12:31:40 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:31:40 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Master Switch Decal
In-Reply-To: <286642.47942.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <286642.47942.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000501caa119$af007ea0$0d017be0$@com>

I got one from Pegasus.  Don't know how vintage looking it is but it's sort
of the standard red lightning bolt type.  I recall that some part supplier
was offering them free with a purchase or just on request, sorry can't
remember who. OFD, CRS!

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Dennis DeLap
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 1:11 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Master Switch Decal

AMICI - anyone out there have access to a 'Vintage' looking Off
decal/sticker for the master switch.
.....a picture of one might even help.
Thanks
Dennis
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From riverside at southslope.net  Fri Jan 29 12:40:43 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:40:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] light weight batteries
References: <004301caa06b$75548a60$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>,
	<001501caa0b6$f0143a70$d03caf50$@com>,
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1001291045130.8281@isis.mit.edu><BLU136-W212FF6509F879E75FD8C0FB25B0@phx.gbl>
	<571A1E481FE34DDFBCE9712DC7DC7063@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <001e01caa11a$f23a0230$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Thanks for all the replies.

art d
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] light weight batteries


> When I was autocrossing Tiny Tim, I used the battery out of one of those
> portable starter units.  The battery was about 3" by 7" by about 5" high 
> and
> extremely light.  I always carried a full size battery and cables in case 
> it
> ran out of juice but never had to use it.  My main concern was initial
> startup, but apparently the battery held enough charge for several starts.
>
> A full charge before the event was enough to last the whole day.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Tony and Annie Garmey
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:17 AM
> To: lang at isis.mit.edu; tr4racing at googlemail.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] light weight batteries
>
> Loosing weight on a TR4:
>
> I also use the odyssay 620 in 90% of the cars that I build. Avg. life span
> is
> 3-4 years.
>
> I have made Cast/ heat treated Alloy to T6 Brake caliper mounts. Saves 1.5
> lbs
> and also I have made c/moly tubular sway bars. 4.5lbs less than the solid
> 7/8's bar. Can do 3/4 also. Bars are also h/treated.
>
> PM if interested.
>
>
>
> Thx
>
> Tony
>
>> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:48:20 -0500
>> From: lang at isis.mit.edu
>> To: tr4racing at googlemail.com
>> CC: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] light weight batteries
>>
>> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010, MadMarx wrote:
>>
>> > I use a small Hawker 20AH battery. Cute thing. Does its job very well.
>>
>> Could you provide a part number?
>>
>> Is it built up from 12 volt "monoblocks" or is it something different?
>>
>> I'm thinking about loosing some weight on the car this year (like 40 - 60
>> pounds) and the battery looks like an easy win.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> > Cheers
>> > Chris
>>
>> regards,
>> rml
>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> 2009 NER Solo Chair |
>> Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489
>>
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 12:46:12 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:46:12 -0800
Subject: [Fot] came across these
In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba1001291058s43a5dfaaqc947d7c84e700cf8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <380-2201015290310968@earthlink.net>
	<65f1eaba1001291058s43a5dfaaqc947d7c84e700cf8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65f1eaba1001291146k48157b31h1c5d4221f60a6ad9@mail.gmail.com>

Just found out. They're 6 inch Lemans Wheels.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:58 AM, John Nikas
<capecoventryracing at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Amici:
>
> Tim's email got me thinking. I have 6 extra American Racing libre wheels in
> 15 x 5.5 (I think the width is right but they still have tires on them).
> Contact me off list if you want pictures since they are varied in condition
> although they range from good to very good. Anybody want them?
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Chip Collingwood <
> tr6racer21 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> came across these today
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544129050&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544130321&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544131306&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>>
>> Chip Collingwood
>> 69 TR6 Eprod
>> 71 2dr 510 Vintage
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Fri Jan 29 12:47:29 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:47:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] came across these
In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba1001291146k48157b31h1c5d4221f60a6ad9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <380-2201015290310968@earthlink.net>
	<65f1eaba1001291058s43a5dfaaqc947d7c84e700cf8@mail.gmail.com>
	<65f1eaba1001291146k48157b31h1c5d4221f60a6ad9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0803335F3B@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Can you send me a picture? I have four 6" Libres.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of John Nikas
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 1:46 PM
To: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] came across these

Just found out. They're 6 inch Lemans Wheels.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:58 AM, John Nikas
<capecoventryracing at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Amici:
>
> Tim's email got me thinking. I have 6 extra American Racing libre wheels in
> 15 x 5.5 (I think the width is right but they still have tires on them).
> Contact me off list if you want pictures since they are varied in condition
> although they range from good to very good. Anybody want them?
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Chip Collingwood <
> tr6racer21 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> came across these today
>>
>>
>>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544129050&vi
ewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>>
>>
>>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544130321&vi
ewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>>
>>
>>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544131306&vi
ewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>>
>> Chip Collingwood
>> 69 TR6 Eprod
>> 71 2dr 510 Vintage
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From jeff_durant at comcast.net  Fri Jan 29 13:15:13 2010
From: jeff_durant at comcast.net (jeff_durant at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:15:13 +0000
Subject: [Fot] came across these
In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba1001291058s43a5dfaaqc947d7c84e700cf8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <380-2201015290310968@earthlink.net><65f1eaba1001291058s43a5dfaaqc947d7c84e700cf8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <202158601-1264796043-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1705456802-@bda059.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

John,
Can you send me some pictures?
Thanks,
Jeff D.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: John Nikas <capecoventryracing at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:58:20 
To: <tr6racer21 at earthlink.net>
Cc: Friends of Triumph<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] came across these

Dear Amici:

Tim's email got me thinking. I have 6 extra American Racing libre wheels in
15 x 5.5 (I think the width is right but they still have tires on them).
Contact me off list if you want pictures since they are varied in condition
although they range from good to very good. Anybody want them?

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Chip Collingwood
<tr6racer21 at earthlink.net>wrote:

> came across these today
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544129050&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544130321&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260544131306&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
>
> Chip Collingwood
> 69 TR6 Eprod
> 71 2dr 510 Vintage
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Fri Jan 29 13:26:55 2010
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:26:55 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Good Article
Message-ID: <000001caa121$67f78d70$37e6a850$@racer@comcast.net>

If you're not a subscriber to the UK magazine MOTORSPORT, you might want to
beat a path to your favorite magazine shop and pick up a copy of the most
recent issue, January 2010.  Nice three page article on the TR2/3 with an
emphasis on its racing history.  Also a short column by a fellow who rallied
one.  Sidebar about a one owner, frame up restoration of a 1958 TR3A ex-
U.S. car.  Owner spent in excess of $57, 500 on the resto and is asking
$41,600 but that does include numerous upgrades for fast road/rallying use!!

 

Gary  


From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Jan 29 13:37:58 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:37:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Master Switch Decal
In-Reply-To: <286642.47942.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <286642.47942.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0B486977561B4EA68FBEC57B28CD697B@joepentiumnew>

Send me an image and I can produce a decal.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Dennis DeLap
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 12:11 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Master Switch Decal

AMICI - anyone out there have access to a 'Vintage' looking Off
decal/sticker for the master switch.
.....a picture of one might even help.
Thanks
Dennis
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From rikrock at aol.com  Sat Jan 30 05:34:07 2010
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:34:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com>
References: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com>

 On that day I decided
that MASS was an important issue when selecting a tow vehicle.

Bill Dentinger
____________________

I know a guy who used to tow his Renault R8 on a single axle (with brakes on a
good day) trailer with a Renault Fuego.  Did it for years without incident,
but....YIKES!!!

Rich Rock


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Jan 30 05:38:08 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:38:08 +0100
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com>
References: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com>
	<8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>

I use a simple petrol injected BMW X3 for towing. 200 HP doing well enough.

Chris

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Auftrag von rikrock at aol.com
Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Januar 2010 13:34
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?

 On that day I decided
that MASS was an important issue when selecting a tow vehicle.

Bill Dentinger
____________________

I know a guy who used to tow his Renault R8 on a single axle (with brakes on
a
good day) trailer with a Renault Fuego.  Did it for years without incident,
but....YIKES!!!

Rich Rock
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From andre at gt6.ca  Sat Jan 30 05:41:24 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:41:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>
References: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com>
	<8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com>
	<001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>
Message-ID: <4362ae391001300441t77f13283h4bc417126653e72d@mail.gmail.com>

I like that idea.

A.

On 30 January 2010 07:38, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:
> I use a simple petrol injected BMW X3 for towing. 200 HP doing well enough.
>
> Chris


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sat Jan 30 07:53:29 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:53:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>
References: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com><8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com>
	<001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>
Message-ID: <AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>

An X3 is good for 3748 pounds according to the guides

http://www.trailerlife.com/images/elements/883783_Towing_Guide.pdf

That is about the same as my Dodge Caravan 3800 pounds.

You still need a light weight trailer to tow a car that weighs about 2000
pounds plus spares, tools etc.

Paul



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: January 30, 2010 7:38 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?

I use a simple petrol injected BMW X3 for towing. 200 HP doing well enough.

Chris


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Jan 30 08:07:41 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:07:41 +0100
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com><8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com>
	<001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>
	<AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <002501caa1bd$fa25c2b0$ee714810$@com>

My papers say I can tow 1800 kg.
The cars weight is 1000 kg
The trailer 650 kg
So I can carry 150 kg spares around in the trailer and some spares and
equipment in the tow car.

Enough for me.


Cheers
Chris (who is fond of the French Autobahn because you can tow there at 85
mph)

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com]
Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Januar 2010 15:53
An: 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: RE: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?

An X3 is good for 3748 pounds according to the guides

http://www.trailerlife.com/images/elements/883783_Towing_Guide.pdf

That is about the same as my Dodge Caravan 3800 pounds.

You still need a light weight trailer to tow a car that weighs about 2000
pounds plus spares, tools etc.

Paul



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: January 30, 2010 7:38 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?

I use a simple petrol injected BMW X3 for towing. 200 HP doing well enough.

Chris


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 08:13:40 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:13:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow? Now a new
 trailer.......
In-Reply-To: <AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com><8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com><001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>
	<AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <8CC6FD5F0895576-2CF8-E1A9@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com>

This might be a good time to mention that work continues on a single axle
trailer design incorporating a 3500# axle with a light weight frame, built
strong.

The first design is complete and 'in production'.  Deluxe Version seen in
photobucket.com/ambro                 page 2/3

$1875  base price   Under $3000 nicely optioned   What color do you want?

The happiest towing I ever had was with a single axle purpose built TR4
Trailer.  The very best of it was a trailer with NO springs.....letting the
car suspension absorb the bumps. Low, narrow, hand manueverable, garageable,
this trailer is still in use after passing through several hands over a 20
year period.

Joe A






-----Original Message-----
From: Paul MacDonald <macdonaldp at rogers.com>
To: 'MadMarx' <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:53 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


An X3 is good for 3748 pounds according to the guides
http://www.trailerlife.com/images/elements/883783_Towing_Guide.pdf
That is about the same as my Dodge Caravan 3800 pounds.
You still need a light weight trailer to tow a car that weighs about 2000
ounds plus spares, tools etc.
Paul

-----Original Message-----
rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
ehalf Of MadMarx
ent: January 30, 2010 7:38 AM
o: fot at autox.team.net
ubject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
I use a simple petrol injected BMW X3 for towing. 200 HP doing well enough.
Chris
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 08:20:38 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:20:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Thanks-TR4 ROLLER
In-Reply-To: <AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com><8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com><001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>
	<AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <8CC6FD6E9AA9DD6-2CF8-E2F4@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com>

Thanks for all of the interest on the TR4 ROLLER.

This roller is staying in the FOT Family.

Joe A


From cartravel at pobox.com  Sat Jan 30 08:50:31 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:50:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <2d2ad.1d5f0d9b.3891abf5@aol.com><8CC6FBFA6AC4D88-54D0-AAF0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com>
	<001801caa1a9$162b1e70$42815b50$@com>
	<AB9CF618BF524F50811B9B19B810F9B9@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <4B645547.10708@pobox.com>

I've always wondered how these weight limits are determined - by the 
engineering or marketing department?  I generally use a substantial 
safety factor.  With my enclosed trailer I'm towing about 5,000 lbs, so 
I look for a tow rating of 7,000 to 8,000.
Larry

Paul MacDonald wrote:
> An X3 is good for 3748 pounds according to the guides
>
> http://www.trailerlife.com/images/elements/883783_Towing_Guide.pdf
>
> That is about the same as my Dodge Caravan 3800 pounds.
>
> You still need a light weight trailer to tow a car that weighs about 2000
> pounds plus spares, tools etc.
>
> Paul


From BillDentin at aol.com  Sat Jan 30 09:03:34 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:03:34 EST
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
Message-ID: <4d26.523b7953.3895b256@aol.com>

In a message dated 01/30/2010 9:50:47 AM Central Standard Time, 
cartravel at pobox.com writes:


> I've always wondered how these weight limits are determined - by the 
> engineering or marketing department?  I generally use a substantial 
> safety factor.  With my enclosed trailer I'm towing about 5,000 lbs, so 
> I look for a tow rating of 7,000 to 8,000.
> 

I am pretty sure that the those gross vehicle weights and trailer towing 
capacities have to include everything the car is 'carrying' ...driver, 
passengers, luggage, tools, trailer, race car.  You start checking, and you'll find 
that you use up those limits in a hurry.  But I also agree that their PYA 
syndrome has them use an ample safety factor.  My shop is located very close 
to a local stone quarry and they have a huge scale they use for measuring 
truck loads of stone.  Being in the masonry business all those years, I had 
access to that scale and used to weigh my tow vehicle and trailer both empty 
and loaded.  The first time I did that, I was shocked to see how much 'stuff' 
I was carrying weighed.

Bill Dentinger


Bill Dentinger


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 10:20:14 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:20:14 EST
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
Message-ID: <7441.6a0604a5.3895c44e@cs.com>

Low tech answer:  Generally speaking the final product weight limits are 
established by the weakest component rating installed from the supplier.

Tire ratings
axle ratings
transmission ratings
spring ratings

The motorhome industry plays some silly games with these ratings, but I 
think most everyone else is pretty conservative.

Joe A


> I've always wondered how these weight limits are determined - by the 
> engineering or marketing department?  I generally use a substantial 
> safety factor.  With my enclosed trailer I'm towing about 5,000 lbs, so 
> I look for a tow rating of 7,000 to 8,000.
> Larry
> 

</HTML>


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 10:23:21 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:23:21 EST
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
Message-ID: <75c4.6a6f91c5.3895c509@cs.com>

There is a series of ratings, too.

GAWR      axle rating
GVWR      vehicle rating
GCWR      combined rating   usually associated with towing.

Joe A


> I am pretty sure that the those gross vehicle weights and trailer towing 
> capacities have to include everything the car is 'carrying' ...driver, 
> passengers, luggage, tools, trailer, race car.  You start checking, and 
> you'll find 
> that you use up those limits in a hurry.  But I also agree that their PYA 
> syndrome has them use an ample safety factor.  My shop is located very 
> close 
> to a local stone quarry and they have a huge scale they use for measuring 
> truck loads of stone.  Being in the masonry business all those years, I 
> had 
> access to that scale and used to weigh my tow vehicle and trailer both 
> empty 
> and loaded.  The first time I did that, I was shocked to see how much 
> 'stuff' 
> I was carrying weighed.
> 
> Bill Dentinger
> 

</HTML>


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 12:24:17 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:24:17 EST
Subject: [Fot] CLASSIC MOTORSPORTS.....does it again.
Message-ID: <ab1d.6dbb125e.3895e161@cs.com>

The new issue is outstanding.....

Of course I am biased.  It is the non-official FOT magazine.

I used to read Road & Track and Car & Driver when I read about the cars I 
could afford.  Or at least thought were in my reach. I cant touch most of 
what they feature now.

And Classic Motorsports reaches backwards in time and features the cars I 
owned and loved (or sometimes hated.   Like this issue....The Volvo 1800S and 
the Corvair Spyder Convertible.  I had both of those cars and have fond 
memories of them.

AND FINALLY, if you look toward the back pages you will find the TEAM of 
Hopkins & Hughes winning the Targa Newfoundland for the THIRD year in a row. 

If you look real close you will see the Uncle Jack Memorial Decal on the 
back passenger side window for the second year. While in Newfoundland (2008) 
we met them and after a short conversation they graciously applied the decal 
prior to their second winning effort.

Thanks Classic Motorsports....and Hopkins & Hughes</HTML>


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 12:48:05 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:48:05 EST
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Vintage Racing - Kastner Cup - Event Shirts
Message-ID: <b4ed.243715e.3895e6f5@cs.com>

FOT,

Something to be thinking about.......EVENT SHIRTS!

The 'august' organizers of this event are going to meet about having an 
event shirt in February.

They will incorporate the FOT Logo into the design, IF they have one. 
However, the FOT logo will be competing for space. Depending the design, the FOT 
logo might not be very prominent.

If there is any interest in producing our own event shirt, it should be 
studied right now.  If so, someone will need to take a leadership role in 
exploring the feasibility and advisability of doing so.  

If HVR does not initiate ANY event shirt, the argument is stronger for 
doing so.

Just a heads up on this if anyone feels strongly about it. This is a big 
job.

Regards,

Joe A</HTML>


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 13:57:27 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:57:27 EST
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Vintage Racing - Kastner Cup - Event Shirts
Message-ID: <d21a.69954edd.3895f737@cs.com>

FOT,

Bill Brinke indicates that he has a meeting with O'Reilley on the date 
below. 

Stand by on this information, but if anyone has any strong feelings about 
having an exclusive shirt for the FOT, please speak up.

Regards,

Joe A


> Joe, I have a meeting scheduled with Tom at O'Reilly on February 3.  We 
> will discuss T-Shirts at that time.  Will let you know what he says.
> Bill
> 

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discuss T-Shirts at that time.  Will let you know what he says.
Bill
  ----- Original Message -----
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  To: fot at autox.team.net
  Cc: brinke at cebridge.net
  Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 1:48 PM
  Subject: Heartland Vintage Racing - Kastner Cup - Event Shirts


  FOT,

  Something to be thinking about.......EVENT SHIRTS!

  The 'august' organizers of this event are going to meet about having an
  event shirt in February.

  They will incorporate the FOT Logo into the design, IF they have one.
  However, the FOT logo will be competing for space. Depending the design, the
FOT
  logo might not be very prominent.

  If there is any interest in producing our own event shirt, it should be
  studied right now.  If so, someone will need to take a leadership role in
  exploring the feasibility and advisability of doing so.

  If HVR does not initiate ANY event shirt, the argument is stronger for
  doing so.

  Just a heads up on this if anyone feels strongly about it. This is a big
  job.

  Regards,

  Joe A</HTML>


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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Sat Jan 30 18:08:16 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:08:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4d26.523b7953.3895b256@aol.com>
References: <4d26.523b7953.3895b256@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000c01caa211$df589a30$9e09ce90$@com>

Good point, Bill.  I was thinking at stopping at one of the local quarries
and weighing the trailer and Excursion.  You've pretty well convinced me not
to do that:)  Sort of like the current military, don't ask, don't tell!

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:04 AM
To: cartravel at pobox.com; macdonaldp at rogers.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?

In a message dated 01/30/2010 9:50:47 AM Central Standard Time, 
cartravel at pobox.com writes:


> I've always wondered how these weight limits are determined - by the 
> engineering or marketing department?  I generally use a substantial 
> safety factor.  With my enclosed trailer I'm towing about 5,000 lbs, so 
> I look for a tow rating of 7,000 to 8,000.
> 

I am pretty sure that the those gross vehicle weights and trailer towing 
capacities have to include everything the car is 'carrying' ...driver, 
passengers, luggage, tools, trailer, race car.  You start checking, and
you'll find 
that you use up those limits in a hurry.  But I also agree that their PYA 
syndrome has them use an ample safety factor.  My shop is located very close

to a local stone quarry and they have a huge scale they use for measuring 
truck loads of stone.  Being in the masonry business all those years, I had 
access to that scale and used to weigh my tow vehicle and trailer both empty

and loaded.  The first time I did that, I was shocked to see how much
'stuff' 
I was carrying weighed.

Bill Dentinger


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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 18:45:31 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:45:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park Vintage Grand Prix - Bill Ames Memorial Award
Message-ID: <8CC702E34E7364B-100-1FE3@webmail-d039.sysops.aol.com>

FOT and Other Friends:

Please note that the Bill AMES MEMORIAL plaque will be awarded at HEARTLAND
PARK in August.

The last recipient was Larry Young and he will be on hand to present it.

I wonder if someone would be willing to contact the other owners of Ambro
cars.....................................????

Of course we expect the Peyote. I suspect the original AMBRO will not be
available.
There is an AMBRO in Omaha and I will contact that guy.
I expect Bill Bonadio to come with his Dio/Ambro.
I know the original builder/owner of the HUSTLER and will invite him.
The current owner of the HUSTLER is in California, but I have no contact with
him.
I will also invite Bill's son, Robert Ames, who was driving a Porsche the last
I knew.
Can someone contact the PEERLESS/AMBRO guy in California and Stadel on the
east cost?
I think Tivvy Shenton's son was working on one... I could be wrong on that.
I hope that Moss Motor's KELVIN DODD, (AMBRO  ARE-002) will join us even
though his MGA based AMBRO will not be done.
We expect ROB DEANES, (AMBRO  ARE-003)   but he will likely bring a TR4.

We could call this the FIRST ANNUAL AMBRO REUNION, if there is enough
interest.

Who am I missing?

Joe A


From Herald948 at aol.com  Sat Jan 30 19:40:57 2010
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:40:57 EST
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
Message-ID: <12fbf.69919ef4.389647b9@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/30/2010 12:20:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
N197TR4 at cs.com writes:

Low tech  answer:  Generally speaking the final product weight limits are  
established by the weakest component rating installed from the  supplier.

Tire ratings
axle ratings
transmission  ratings
spring ratings
==AM==
I guess most modern manufacturers now consider the clutch of a manual  
transmission to be one of those "weakest components"! I'd special-ordered my  
1991 Ford Explorer with full towing package AND five-speed manual, which 
dropped  the max. recommended towing weight by something like 700 lbs. That never 
 bothered me, since I was towing mostly Triumphs (ok, there was that one 
Peugeot  wagon....). The clutch and gearbox never gave me any trouble in over 
200k I put  on the beast, and I only had to replace one propeller shaft 
u-joint.
 
There were plenty of other bits that I had to replace, and I long wished  
I'd gone for the manual transfer case and manual front hubs, but the 
then-wife  didn't like the idea of getting out in mud and snow to lock the front 
hubs. (I  found I didn't like the idea of replacing the automatic front hubs at 
$300 or so  each!)
 
To its credit, though, that little V-6 Explorer towed beautifully at  
highway speeds (and, uh, then some), and it suffered almost no loss in fuel  
economy doing so (about 19.5 mpg average towing, and about 20.5 mpg average  
without trailer).
 
Sometimes I still miss that old beast.... ;-)  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 19:47:52 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:47:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <12fbf.69919ef4.389647b9@aol.com>
References: <12fbf.69919ef4.389647b9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC7036EAE57210-100-2993@webmail-d039.sysops.aol.com>

I've seen,  "Not recommended for towing with manual transmission" or a derated
towing capacity and assumed it was because of the clutch.

I think you are correct.





-----Original Message-----
From: Herald948 at aol.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


In a message dated 1/30/2010 12:20:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
197TR4 at cs.com writes:
Low tech  answer:  Generally speaking the final product weight limits are
stablished by the weakest component rating installed from the  supplier.
Tire ratings
xle ratings
ransmission  ratings
pring ratings
=AM==
 guess most modern manufacturers now consider the clutch of a manual
ransmission to be one of those "weakest components"! I'd special-ordered my
991 Ford Explorer with full towing package AND five-speed manual, which
ropped  the max. recommended towing weight by something like 700 lbs. That
ever
bothered me, since I was towing mostly Triumphs (ok, there was that one
eugeot  wagon....). The clutch and gearbox never gave me any trouble in over
00k I put  on the beast, and I only had to replace one propeller shaft
-joint.

here were plenty of other bits that I had to replace, and I long wished
'd gone for the manual transfer case and manual front hubs, but the
hen-wife  didn't like the idea of getting out in mud and snow to lock the
front
hubs. (I  found I didn't like the idea of replacing the automatic front hubs
at
300 or so  each!)

o its credit, though, that little V-6 Explorer towed beautifully at
ighway speeds (and, uh, then some), and it suffered almost no loss in fuel
conomy doing so (about 19.5 mpg average towing, and about 20.5 mpg average
ithout trailer).

ometimes I still miss that old beast.... ;-)
--Andy  Mace
*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
erald engine with wings.
-  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)
Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
egister: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/)
Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph
erald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/)
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Sat Jan 30 20:18:17 2010
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:18:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] decal - kill switch
Message-ID: <8CC703B2A7A1F7C-57C0-13484@webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com>

 Curious -

When was it required for kill switches and the decal to identify its operation
to be installed on race vehicles.  I realize every sanctioning body would of
incorporated this safety item at different dates in time.  But, I have to ask
since it was brought up about a " Vintage On/Off Sticker " for our Triumphs.
Looking through the limited books I have I do not see any on cars up through
the mid to late sixties.

I have come across pics of 2 types of stickers.  One is the most common which
is a tall rectangular label with a long blue triangle that has a red
lightening bolt in its center, both pointing down to the word OFF on the
bottom of the sticker.  This seems to be available from many suppliers
including the SCCA.  The other sticker is a larger blue symmetrical triangle
with a red lightening bolt in the center, there is no text on it.  This one
takes a bit of searching to locate, but has been found at a couple site in
Britain.

I am also curious as to what the first label(s) looked like.




Curious,
Bob T


From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sat Jan 30 21:44:33 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:44:33 -0800
Subject: [Fot] decal - kill switch
In-Reply-To: <8CC703B2A7A1F7C-57C0-13484@webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC703B2A7A1F7C-57C0-13484@webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B650AB1.3020001@greenheart.com>

What a little Googling uncovered.... --Justin

http://www.rallylights.com/images/DSCN0707.JPG
http://www.rallylights.com/detail.aspx?ID=3541

http://www.performance-oils.co.uk/acatalog/FIABatteryMasterSwitch.jpg
http://www.performance-oils.co.uk/acatalog/Motorsport_Products.html


http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/Images/M/3356.JPG
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=1011


http://www.timskelton.com/lightning/race_prep/weight/battery_relocate.htm


From horizonracing at msn.com  Sat Jan 30 21:52:16 2010
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:52:16 -0800
Subject: [Fot] decal - kill switch
In-Reply-To: <8CC703B2A7A1F7C-57C0-13484@webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC703B2A7A1F7C-57C0-13484@webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W137A3FC729BF374443D368B2590@phx.gbl>

Safety sticker !

On a Devin SS that I restored (completed about 1 1/2 ago) it has about 30k in
paint on it........so no cheap stickers on this car. Along with the Hand
painted numbers, I had the Sign writer put on a Small but visible "lightning
bolt" next to the battery switch  that is on the dash.

Clean,simple and classy .

Cheers

Tony

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From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Jan 30 21:57:53 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:57:53 -0800
Subject: [Fot] decal - kill switch
References: <8CC703B2A7A1F7C-57C0-13484@webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com>
	<BLU136-W137A3FC729BF374443D368B2590@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A979E29C55A247988EB8AE535BFFC79C@Bud>

Yep!..you got it!...That's Period Correct..That's how we did it....It was up 
to us to make a sign clear to the
Safety workers......Write it on the side of the Car...That's the real 
Stuff....RB
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <robertten1 at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] decal - kill switch


> Safety sticker !
>
> On a Devin SS that I restored (completed about 1 1/2 ago) it has about 30k 
> in
> paint on it........so no cheap stickers on this car. Along with the Hand
> painted numbers, I had the Sign writer put on a Small but visible 
> "lightning
> bolt" next to the battery switch  that is on the dash.
>
> Clean,simple and classy .
>
> Cheers
>
> Tony
>
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From brinke at cebridge.net  Sat Jan 30 13:35:07 2010
From: brinke at cebridge.net (Bill Rinke)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:35:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Vintage Racing - Kastner Cup - Event Shirts
References: <b4ed.243715e.3895e6f5@cs.com>
Message-ID: <8A0B4F54EA894D5CB73F19E3E44384AE@main>

Joe, I have a meeting scheduled with Tom at O'Reilly on February 3.  We will
discuss T-Shirts at that time.  Will let you know what he says.
Bill
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: N197TR4 at cs.com
  To: fot at autox.team.net
  Cc: brinke at cebridge.net
  Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 1:48 PM
  Subject: Heartland Vintage Racing - Kastner Cup - Event Shirts


  FOT,

  Something to be thinking about.......EVENT SHIRTS!

  The 'august' organizers of this event are going to meet about having an
  event shirt in February.

  They will incorporate the FOT Logo into the design, IF they have one.
  However, the FOT logo will be competing for space. Depending the design, the
FOT
  logo might not be very prominent.

  If there is any interest in producing our own event shirt, it should be
  studied right now.  If so, someone will need to take a leadership role in
  exploring the feasibility and advisability of doing so.

  If HVR does not initiate ANY event shirt, the argument is stronger for
  doing so.

  Just a heads up on this if anyone feels strongly about it. This is a big
  job.

  Regards,

  Joe A</HTML>


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From LimeyV8 at aol.com  Sun Jan 31 08:28:07 2010
From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:28:07 EST
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
Message-ID: <4697.5ce20e36.3896fb87@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/30/2010 9:41:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
Herald948 at aol.com writes:

To its  credit, though, that little V-6 Explorer towed beautifully at   
highway speeds (and, uh, then some), and it suffered almost no loss in  
fuel  
economy doing so (about 19.5 mpg average towing, and about 20.5  mpg 
average  
without trailer).

Sometimes I still miss that old  beast.... ;-)  
 
 
 
It looked pretty good with a GT6 bonnet tied on the roof   too.
 
Cheers,
Jack Mc


From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Jan 31 09:18:09 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:18:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 1147 with gearbox available
Message-ID: <1C61530E6B3B457B92F91164780871C2@joepentiumnew>

If anyone is looking for a spare engine and tranny for an early Spit to
build, there is a guy in San Francisco who has one he has been trying to get
rid of for some time.  

If anyone is interested shoot me an email and I will give you his contact
information.

No Financial interest.

Joe


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 09:42:43 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:42:43 -0800
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <7441.6a0604a5.3895c44e@cs.com>
Message-ID: <842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

My motorhome (along with most current gasoline engined motorhomes) is only
rated to tow 5,000 lbs.  After looking everything over, I think that's based
strictly on the length of the rear overhang and the relatively Mickey Mouse
way the hitch is attached.  I've got a friend that races a Shelby GT350 with
the same MH as I've got.  His trailer weighs close to 9,000 lb loaded and
he's had no issues whatsoever with towing.  I feel totally comfortable even
though my loaded trailer is aroond 1000 lbs or so over the tow rating.  I do
keep the speeds down and I drop the rig out of overdrive at the slightest
hill.

Jim Norlin

____________________________________________


Low tech answer:  Generally speaking the final product weight limits are
established by the weakest component rating installed from the supplier.

Tire ratings
axle ratings
transmission ratings
spring ratings

The motorhome industry plays some silly games with these ratings, but I
think most everyone else is pretty conservative.

Joe A


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Jan 31 10:27:57 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:27:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <8CC70B1DD5F6516-1C50-29B9B@webmail-m063.sysops.aol.com>

MOTORHOME manufacturers are more concerned with color schemes and floor plans.
Overhangs can be scary as you point out

Frequently on GCWR it comes down to the transmission.  When we produced a
motorhome chassis, Ford Power Products removed the parking pawl and limited
the GCWR.

We developed a hydraulically actuated brake in front of the driveshaft behind
the tailshaft to overcome the lack of parking pawl on the C-6 Transmission,
but there really wasnt any way to overcome the limited GCWR.  I think the
limit was 5000# or not more than 7500#.

We were producing 10,000 chassis a year when the business was sold to OSHKOSH
TRUCK. It lives on as FREIGHTLINER.......






-----Original Message-----
From: Norlin Engineering <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: N197TR4 at cs.com; cartravel at pobox.com; macdonaldp at rogers.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:42 am
Subject: RE: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


My motorhome (along with most current gasoline engined motorhomes) is only
ated to tow 5,000 lbs.  After looking everything over, I think that's based
trictly on the length of the rear overhang and the relatively Mickey Mouse
ay the hitch is attached.  I've got a friend that races a Shelby GT350 with
he same MH as I've got.  His trailer weighs close to 9,000 lb loaded and
e's had no issues whatsoever with towing.  I feel totally comfortable even
hough my loaded trailer is aroond 1000 lbs or so over the tow rating.  I do
eep the speeds down and I drop the rig out of overdrive at the slightest
ill.
Jim Norlin
____________________________________________

ow tech answer:  Generally speaking the final product weight limits are
stablished by the weakest component rating installed from the supplier.
Tire ratings
xle ratings
ransmission ratings
pring ratings
The motorhome industry plays some silly games with these ratings, but I
hink most everyone else is pretty conservative.
Joe A


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sun Jan 31 11:30:48 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:30:48 EST
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Vintage Grand Prix-Kastner Cup
 Entries/Attendees?????
Message-ID: <8957.eadc06e.38972658@cs.com>

FOT

Same old annual question. Please! ASAP!

Looking for INTENT to register as ENTRANT or ATTENDEE

Name - TRIUMPH MODEL - State - email address

We are the featured race and will have much support from the community, the 
track, and HVR.  Planned in addition to the Kastner Cup, is book signing by 
Kas.

Anyway, send me your intent and I will spreadsheet and forward to the 
Organizers, 
Bill Rinke and Gary Fuqua.

If you are a FOT and a Vendor, please consider displaying. Rental is $100 
for 10 x 20 space.

Thanks!

Joe A

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From klynch_6 at msn.com  Sun Jan 31 12:23:54 2010
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:23:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 24 Hr.Rolex
Message-ID: <SNT123-DS4D1736970BB00899152C1B7590@phx.gbl>

With 90 min. to go, it's good to see an RMVR member Nick Ham, in the thick of
the GT standings with the #70 Tremblay Mazda entry. It was however, sad to
hear this will be his last year behind the wheel continuing next year in a
'mentoring capacity'.
I guess no good deed goes unpunished...

K Lynch
GT-6
RMVR


From gaf3 at charter.net  Sun Jan 31 12:27:50 2010
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:27:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
References: <842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <4B65D9B6.5040202@charter.net>

Be careful with that!
I pulled a 20' haulmark enclosed trailer with a 28' class C Jayco and 
the cheezy bumper fell off.
That was the only crossmember they used to keep the frame extensions 
from twisting.
If you do have to tow one leave the load equalizing stuff at home.
I sold the trailer and bought an open (lighter weight) to tow behind my 
35' Bounder and have had no problems.
Most of the motor home manufacturers only scab on some channel  to 
extend the length of the motor home.
Depends on the Motor Home chassis

Glenn Franco

Norlin Engineering wrote:
> My motorhome (along with most current gasoline engined motorhomes) is only
> rated to tow 5,000 lbs.  After looking everything over, I think that's based
> strictly on the length of the rear overhang and the relatively Mickey Mouse
> way the hitch is attached.  I've got a friend that races a Shelby GT350 with
> the same MH as I've got.  His trailer weighs close to 9,000 lb loaded and
> he's had no issues whatsoever with towing.  I feel totally comfortable even
> though my loaded trailer is aroond 1000 lbs or so over the tow rating.  I do
> keep the speeds down and I drop the rig out of overdrive at the slightest
> hill.
>
> Jim Norlin
>
> ____________________________________________
>
>
> Low tech answer:  Generally speaking the final product weight limits are
> established by the weakest component rating installed from the supplier.
>
> Tire ratings
> axle ratings
> transmission ratings
> spring ratings
>
> The motorhome industry plays some silly games with these ratings, but I
> think most everyone else is pretty conservative.


From igofaster at att.net  Sun Jan 31 12:51:25 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:51:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <C3F36DAC-8948-4AD1-B976-996E4BEE6325@bnj.com>
References: <117e0.762f5f39.38934667@aol.com>
	<C3F36DAC-8948-4AD1-B976-996E4BEE6325@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <232185.94259.qm@web180704.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

all of this jabber about a GT6 and towing.... WHY would you want to tow anything with a GT6?

OWNING several in the past and currently racing the GT6 with CVAR...   I'm old skool.... back when I had hair I owned Ford vans and love the storage you can have in an enclosed van.

My love machine and tow vehicle is a sold black 2005 E250 5.4 ltr. standard rear ratio (3.27) tow package and positrac.

Love my van and works well in my modest racing budget...

Bobby Whitehead




________________________________
From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
To: BillDentin at aol.com
Cc: bownes at seiri.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 2:15:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing

I'm really fond of my F350 crew cab King Ranch edition and of course Nero, my
airstream toyhauler. I'm going to be selling both this year I think. Diane and
I decided to simplify things to reduce the maintenance load.
http://www.allaluminumtour.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/mall-o-murrica.JPG .
Peyote is being cared for and transported by Tony Garmey (Horizon Racing) and
I'm probably going to get a lightweight open trailer for occasional hauls of
the Ambro.

The F350 has been flawless. the only issue is that Diane hates driving it. It
even gets pretty good mileage--16-17 MPG with no trailer, 14 mpg hauling nero
with a full travel load of Peyote, parts, and all the junk we took on our five
month walkabout. Remarkably comfortable rig.

I suspect we're going to replace it with a Mercedes ML350 Bluetec Diesel
unless some american car manufacturer comes out with something with similar
specs. 7200 pound towing capacity, 25 MPG and Diane likes driving it.

On Jan 28, 2010, at 9:58 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 01/28/2010 1:03:01 PM Central Standard Time,
> riverside at southslope.net writes:
>
>
>> Any body try one of the airport
>> shuttle bus Diesels??
>>
>>
>
> Amici...
>
> For the last four or five years I have been towing a 24' enclosed trailer
> and a race car with a 1995 Chevrolet G30 (One Ton) cargo van.  It's previous
> owner was the National Guard (Texas).  I bought it on ebay in the summer of
> 2004 when it had just over 40,000 miles.  Inside I mounted peg board on one
> side and shelves on the other.  It will store and carry pretty much anything
> I want to bring along.  A one ton van is a beast size wise, is sprung like
> a five yard dump, but it has a very civil ride, and is very comfortable.
>
> This vehicle has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine (not Chevy's best effort
> ever).  Starts and runs just fine, but tends to struggle a little bit on
> steep hills.  It used to be even worse, but I've helped myself quite a bit
by
> converting to Marine Injectors (thanks to FOTer Mark Craig), and also
> opening up the exhaust system.  The latter made the van sound more like a
race car
> than the race car.  At some point I would like to convert to a Marine Pump
> as well.
>
> I've used a bunch of different tow vehicles (cars, panel, pickups,
> converted vans) down through the years.  All of them had their good and bad
points,
> but I really like this big One Ton Cargo Van, and I don't have a ton of
> money tied up in it.
>
> Bill Dentinger
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Sun Jan 31 13:52:13 2010
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:52:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4B65D9B6.5040202@charter.net>
References: <842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<4B65D9B6.5040202@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4B65ED7D.4070500@141.com>

Regarding the towing capacities and frame inadequacies of motorhomes: 
You also need to watch the distance between the rear axles and the rear 
of the vehicle (overhang). If the distance between the two is too great, 
and you tow too great a load, you can pull down/warp the back end. We 
did this with our first RV, the little 20' Class C Coachmen some of you 
have seen. Brad had to jack up and reweld the frame, and beef up the hitch.

For our 27' Winnebago, we added a beefier bolt-on hitch because the 
existing one was inadequate. And we had the frame and hitch beefed up on 
our Airstream before we did much with it, for the same reason. The 
factories only put measly little frame extenders for the hitches in all 
three cases. We could tow a house now, with the Airstream.

Keep Triumphing,
Susan     :)


Glenn Franco wrote:
> Be careful with that!
> I pulled a 20' haulmark enclosed trailer with a 28' class C Jayco and 
> the cheezy bumper fell off.
> That was the only crossmember they used to keep the frame extensions 
> from twisting.
> If you do have to tow one leave the load equalizing stuff at home.
> I sold the trailer and bought an open (lighter weight) to tow behind 
> my 35' Bounder and have had no problems.
> Most of the motor home manufacturers only scab on some channel  to 
> extend the length of the motor home.
> Depends on the Motor Home chassis
>
> Glenn Franco
>

-- 
I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse.


From m-syork at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 14:07:12 2010
From: m-syork at comcast.net (Mark York)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:07:12 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR6 transmission main case
Message-ID: <000801caa2b9$5c38b470$64a91218@markv8zno7deim>

Does anyone have a transmission main case for a TR4A-6 that they would be
willing to sell? I have Tony Garmey (Horizon Racing) rebuilding mine and
Tony has found the PO modified the inside of the case (for another project?)
with a grinder.

I'm looking for one in good shape; please let me know if you have one you
can part with.

Thanks in advance

Mark


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Jan 31 14:10:26 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:10:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <4B65ED7D.4070500@141.com>
References: <842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP><4B65D9B6.5040202@charter.net>
	<4B65ED7D.4070500@141.com>
Message-ID: <8CC70D0F1B83F17-1C50-2C860@webmail-m063.sysops.aol.com>

AIRSTREAM put a considerable amount of work into their trailer platforms and
added a lot of strength to the chassis, as the aluminum shell needs a lot more
support than you might think. Bill B may have a few observations on this.







-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:52 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?


Regarding the towing capacities and frame inadequacies of motorhomes: You also
need to watch the distance between the rear axles and the rear of the vehicle
(overhang). If the distance between the two is too great, and you tow too
great a load, you can pull down/warp the back end. We did this with our first
RV, the little 20' Class C Coachmen some of you have seen. Brad had to jack up
and reweld the frame, and beef up the hitch.

For our 27' Winnebago, we added a beefier bolt-on hitch because the existing
one was inadequate. And we had the frame and hitch beefed up on our Airstream
before we did much with it, for the same reason. The factories only put measly
little frame extenders for the hitches in all three cases. We could tow a
house now, with the Airstream.

Keep Triumphing,
Susan :)

Glenn Franco wrote:
> Be careful with that!
> I pulled a 20' haulmark enclosed trailer with a 28' class C Jayco and > the
cheezy bumper fell off.
> That was the only crossmember they used to keep the frame extensions > from
twisting.
> If you do have to tow one leave the load equalizing stuff at home.
> I sold the trailer and bought an open (lighter weight) to tow behind > my
35' Bounder and have had no problems.
> Most of the motor home manufacturers only scab on some channel to > extend
the length of the motor home.
> Depends on the Motor Home chassis
>
> Glenn Franco
>

-- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse.
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Sun Jan 31 14:26:21 2010
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:26:21 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
References: <7441.6a0604a5.3895c44e@cs.com>
	<842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <e43c87342e164.4b65f57d@optonline.net>

Amici,

Here is the answer to everyones towing questions. 

http://shadowhawkvehicles.com/company/products

Think we can get a group discount?


Todd Redmond
TR3A



----- Original Message -----
From: Norlin Engineering 
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010 11:43 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
To: N197TR4 at cs.com, cartravel at pobox.com, macdonaldp at rogers.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net

> My motorhome (along with most current gasoline engined 
> motorhomes) is only
> rated to tow 5,000 lbs. After looking everything over, I think 
> that's based
> strictly on the length of the rear overhang and the relatively 
> Mickey Mouse
> way the hitch is attached. I've got a friend that races a 
> Shelby GT350 with
> the same MH as I've got. His trailer weighs close to 9,000 lb 
> loaded and
> he's had no issues whatsoever with towing. I feel totally 
> comfortable even
> though my loaded trailer is aroond 1000 lbs or so over the tow 
> rating. I do
> keep the speeds down and I drop the rig out of overdrive at the 
> slightesthill.
> 
> Jim Norlin
> 
> ____________________________________________
> 
> 
> Low tech answer: Generally speaking the final product weight 
> limits are
> established by the weakest component rating installed from the 
> supplier.
> Tire ratings
> axle ratings
> transmission ratings
> spring ratings
> 
> The motorhome industry plays some silly games with these 
> ratings, but I
> think most everyone else is pretty conservative.
> 
> Joe A
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From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jan 31 14:34:27 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:34:27 -1000
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <8CC70D0F1B83F17-1C50-2C860@webmail-m063.sysops.aol.com>
References: <842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP><4B65D9B6.5040202@charter.net>
	<4B65ED7D.4070500@141.com>
	<8CC70D0F1B83F17-1C50-2C860@webmail-m063.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <2BCF9B21-8177-430B-A484-27748C1D61EF@bnj.com>

I assume Susan is talking about an airstream motorhome--I don't have
experience with these. Airstream trailer frames are actually kind of dinky, at
least the older ones are. They rely a lot on the aluminum shell as a
monocoque. The 34' has a more substantial frame but the smaller ones are
flimsy from the wheels back.


On Jan 31, 2010, at 11:10 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:

> AIRSTREAM put a considerable amount of work into their trailer platforms
and
> added a lot of strength to the chassis, as the aluminum shell needs a lot
more
> support than you might think. Bill B may have a few observations on this.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:52 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
>
>
> Regarding the towing capacities and frame inadequacies of motorhomes: You
also
> need to watch the distance between the rear axles and the rear of the
vehicle
> (overhang). If the distance between the two is too great, and you tow too
> great a load, you can pull down/warp the back end. We did this with our
first
> RV, the little 20' Class C Coachmen some of you have seen. Brad had to jack
up
> and reweld the frame, and beef up the hitch.
>
> For our 27' Winnebago, we added a beefier bolt-on hitch because the
existing
> one was inadequate. And we had the frame and hitch beefed up on our
Airstream
> before we did much with it, for the same reason. The factories only put
measly
> little frame extenders for the hitches in all three cases. We could tow a
> house now, with the Airstream.
>
> Keep Triumphing,
> Susan :)
>
> Glenn Franco wrote:
>> Be careful with that!
>> I pulled a 20' haulmark enclosed trailer with a 28' class C Jayco and >
the
> cheezy bumper fell off.
>> That was the only crossmember they used to keep the frame extensions >
from
> twisting.
>> If you do have to tow one leave the load equalizing stuff at home.
>> I sold the trailer and bought an open (lighter weight) to tow behind > my
> 35' Bounder and have had no problems.
>> Most of the motor home manufacturers only scab on some channel to > extend
> the length of the motor home.
>> Depends on the Motor Home chassis
>>
>> Glenn Franco
>>
>
> -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse.
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From andre at gt6.ca  Sun Jan 31 14:45:34 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:45:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <e43c87342e164.4b65f57d@optonline.net>
References: <7441.6a0604a5.3895c44e@cs.com>
	<842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<e43c87342e164.4b65f57d@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <4362ae391001311345h6c0a2a22y3dc28c09b815152f@mail.gmail.com>

That looks like something out of MegaForce the movie.

A.

On 31 January 2010 16:26,  <alfetta95 at optonline.net> wrote:
> Amici,
>
> Here is the answer to everyones towing questions.
>
> http://shadowhawkvehicles.com/company/products
>
> Think we can get a group discount?
>
>
> Todd Redmond
> TR3A
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Norlin Engineering
> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010 11:43 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
> To: N197TR4 at cs.com, cartravel at pobox.com, macdonaldp at rogers.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>
>> My motorhome (along with most current gasoline engined
>> motorhomes) is only
>> rated to tow 5,000 lbs. After looking everything over, I think
>> that's based
>> strictly on the length of the rear overhang and the relatively
>> Mickey Mouse
>> way the hitch is attached. I've got a friend that races a
>> Shelby GT350 with
>> the same MH as I've got. His trailer weighs close to 9,000 lb
>> loaded and
>> he's had no issues whatsoever with towing. I feel totally
>> comfortable even
>> though my loaded trailer is aroond 1000 lbs or so over the tow
>> rating. I do
>> keep the speeds down and I drop the rig out of overdrive at the
>> slightesthill.
>>
>> Jim Norlin
>>
>> ____________________________________________
>>
>>
>> Low tech answer: Generally speaking the final product weight
>> limits are
>> established by the weakest component rating installed from the
>> supplier.
>> Tire ratings
>> axle ratings
>> transmission ratings
>> spring ratings
>>
>> The motorhome industry plays some silly games with these
>> ratings, but I
>> think most everyone else is pretty conservative.
>>
>> Joe A
>> _______________________________________________
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-- 
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
'77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
Ottawa, ON, Canada


From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jan 31 14:50:41 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:50:41 -1000
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <e43c87342e164.4b65f57d@optonline.net>
References: <7441.6a0604a5.3895c44e@cs.com>
	<842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<e43c87342e164.4b65f57d@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <3F85AACE-A261-4721-BF00-0AD09DF55275@bnj.com>

On what? Drawings? Pretty feeble IMHO. Check out Dan Simon's stuff:
http://www.cosmic-motors.com/

If I'm going after fantasy, I at least want it to be well done.

On Jan 31, 2010, at 11:26 AM, alfetta95 at optonline.net wrote:

> Amici,
>
> Here is the answer to everyones towing questions.
>
> http://shadowhawkvehicles.com/company/products
>
> Think we can get a group discount?
>
>
> Todd Redmond
> TR3A
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Norlin Engineering
> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010 11:43 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
> To: N197TR4 at cs.com, cartravel at pobox.com, macdonaldp at rogers.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>
>> My motorhome (along with most current gasoline engined
>> motorhomes) is only
>> rated to tow 5,000 lbs. After looking everything over, I think
>> that's based
>> strictly on the length of the rear overhang and the relatively
>> Mickey Mouse
>> way the hitch is attached. I've got a friend that races a
>> Shelby GT350 with
>> the same MH as I've got. His trailer weighs close to 9,000 lb
>> loaded and
>> he's had no issues whatsoever with towing. I feel totally
>> comfortable even
>> though my loaded trailer is aroond 1000 lbs or so over the tow
>> rating. I do
>> keep the speeds down and I drop the rig out of overdrive at the
>> slightesthill.
>>
>> Jim Norlin
>>
>> ____________________________________________
>>
>>
>> Low tech answer: Generally speaking the final product weight
>> limits are
>> established by the weakest component rating installed from the
>> supplier.
>> Tire ratings
>> axle ratings
>> transmission ratings
>> spring ratings
>>
>> The motorhome industry plays some silly games with these
>> ratings, but I
>> think most everyone else is pretty conservative.
>>
>> Joe A
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From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jan 31 14:54:38 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:54:38 -1000
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <3F85AACE-A261-4721-BF00-0AD09DF55275@bnj.com>
References: <7441.6a0604a5.3895c44e@cs.com>
	<842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<e43c87342e164.4b65f57d@optonline.net>
	<3F85AACE-A261-4721-BF00-0AD09DF55275@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA1C80-C35B-4303-B494-4DAB9988D811@bnj.com>

I'll take this one:
http://www.cosmic-motors.com/store/wallpaper/cosmicmotors_wp02_1280.jpg

On Jan 31, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Bill Babcock wrote:

> On what? Drawings? Pretty feeble IMHO. Check out Dan Simon's stuff:
> http://www.cosmic-motors.com/
>
> If I'm going after fantasy, I at least want it to be well done.
>
> On Jan 31, 2010, at 11:26 AM, alfetta95 at optonline.net wrote:
>
>> Amici,
>>
>> Here is the answer to everyones towing questions.
>>
>> http://shadowhawkvehicles.com/company/products
>>
>> Think we can get a group discount?
>>
>>
>> Todd Redmond
>> TR3A
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Norlin Engineering
>> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010 11:43 am
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
>> To: N197TR4 at cs.com, cartravel at pobox.com, macdonaldp at rogers.com
>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>>
>>> My motorhome (along with most current gasoline engined
>>> motorhomes) is only
>>> rated to tow 5,000 lbs. After looking everything over, I think
>>> that's based
>>> strictly on the length of the rear overhang and the relatively
>>> Mickey Mouse
>>> way the hitch is attached. I've got a friend that races a
>>> Shelby GT350 with
>>> the same MH as I've got. His trailer weighs close to 9,000 lb
>>> loaded and
>>> he's had no issues whatsoever with towing. I feel totally
>>> comfortable even
>>> though my loaded trailer is aroond 1000 lbs or so over the tow
>>> rating. I do
>>> keep the speeds down and I drop the rig out of overdrive at the
>>> slightesthill.
>>>
>>> Jim Norlin
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> Low tech answer: Generally speaking the final product weight
>>> limits are
>>> established by the weakest component rating installed from the
>>> supplier.
>>> Tire ratings
>>> axle ratings
>>> transmission ratings
>>> spring ratings
>>>
>>> The motorhome industry plays some silly games with these
>>> ratings, but I
>>> think most everyone else is pretty conservative.
>>>
>>> Joe A
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>>> Suggested annual donation $12.96
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan 31 15:43:21 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:43:21 +0100
Subject: [Fot] WG:  Towing
Message-ID: <000b01caa2c6$cd279c70$6776d550$@com>

I really do understand him.
I had the idea to tow my TR 4 with my Porsche 911 as this car was equipped
with a tow hitch but unfortunately Porsche don't want to be towed anything
heavier than 800kg. No chance to discuss with them.
So I gave up this idea and use my BMW X3 for towing.
But once I used a small trailer with the Porsche. I did find out that the
Porsche did stop accelerating ....when I had a look on the tach it showed
110 mph. The drag of the tent like cover on the trailer was to much for the
230 HP engine. Was a bit scary to see the trailer bouncing on the road in
the mirror. Good that there was no police close by.

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Bobby Whitehead
Gesendet: Sonntag, 31. Januar 2010 20:51
An: Bill Babcock
Cc: FoT Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Towing

all of this jabber about a GT6 and towing.... WHY would you want to tow
anything with a GT6?

OWNING several in the past and currently racing the GT6 with CVAR...   I'm
old skool.... back when I had hair I owned Ford vans and love the storage
you can have in an enclosed van.

My love machine and tow vehicle is a sold black 2005 E250 5.4 ltr. standard
rear ratio (3.27) tow package and positrac.

Love my van and works well in my modest racing budget...

Bobby Whitehead


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan 31 15:45:30 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:45:30 +0100
Subject: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?
In-Reply-To: <e43c87342e164.4b65f57d@optonline.net>
References: <7441.6a0604a5.3895c44e@cs.com>
	<842BD265CBE84E298A81985D8044AD9D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<e43c87342e164.4b65f57d@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <000c01caa2c7$1947d4d0$4bd77e70$@com>

Looks like a "how to scare Taliban" car. ;-)

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von alfetta95 at optonline.net
Gesendet: Sonntag, 31. Januar 2010 22:26
An: Norlin Engineering
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] How much do you think a GT6 could tow?

Amici,

Here is the answer to everyones towing questions.

http://shadowhawkvehicles.com/company/products

Think we can get a group discount?


Todd Redmond
TR3A


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 18:11:05 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:11:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Cooked Front Wheel Bearing On GT6
Message-ID: <A65A14E9-F888-4FD1-995D-88B1E5086F20@comcast.net>

One of the inner wheel bearings was totally dried out - looked like  
the grease had just been baked black by the heat of the brake rotor,  
transmitted to the hub. The race had turned that brownish gold color  
metal gets after being heated a lot.  The outer bearing was ok, though  
blackened grease had migrated over there, and the bearings on the  
other front hub are fine.  Last event I ran was an enduro, but still,  
only about 50 minutes of driving time.

I had looked at the bearings at the not long ago - smooth and plenty  
of grease.  There's no evidence of actual bearing disintegration, just  
too much heat and burned up grease.
Is it time for air ducts?  I run Hawk HT10s, stock calipers and  
rotors.  Brakes were pulling straight, rotors are not warped -  
possible this side was dragging, but there was no evidence of it while  
driving.  I would have figured the brakes would fade away before this  
happened.


From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 19:20:17 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:20:17 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Cooked Front Wheel Bearing On GT6
References: <A65A14E9-F888-4FD1-995D-88B1E5086F20@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <52590302D78647D9B725B6377C58F790@Bud>

have you checked the tightness of the Big nut on the Back side of the axle?
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:11 PM
Subject: [Fot] Cooked Front Wheel Bearing On GT6


> One of the inner wheel bearings was totally dried out - looked like  
> the grease had just been baked black by the heat of the brake rotor,  
> transmitted to the hub. The race had turned that brownish gold color  
> metal gets after being heated a lot.  The outer bearing was ok, though  
> blackened grease had migrated over there, and the bearings on the  
> other front hub are fine.  Last event I ran was an enduro, but still,  
> only about 50 minutes of driving time.
> 
> I had looked at the bearings at the not long ago - smooth and plenty  
> of grease.  There's no evidence of actual bearing disintegration, just  
> too much heat and burned up grease.
> Is it time for air ducts?  I run Hawk HT10s, stock calipers and  
> rotors.  Brakes were pulling straight, rotors are not warped -  
> possible this side was dragging, but there was no evidence of it while  
> driving.  I would have figured the brakes would fade away before this  
> happened.
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 19:36:36 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:36:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Cooked Front Wheel Bearing On GT6
In-Reply-To: <52590302D78647D9B725B6377C58F790@Bud>
References: <A65A14E9-F888-4FD1-995D-88B1E5086F20@comcast.net>
	<52590302D78647D9B725B6377C58F790@Bud>
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yes - it was pretty snug - though I got maybe 1/8 turn on the nut.

On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:20 PM, RACER BUD wrote:

have you checked the tightness of the Big nut on the Back side of the  
axle?
RB
----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:11 PM
Subject: [Fot] Cooked Front Wheel Bearing On GT6


> One of the inner wheel bearings was totally dried out - looked like   
> the grease had just been baked black by the heat of the brake  
> rotor,  transmitted to the hub. The race had turned that brownish  
> gold color  metal gets after being heated a lot.  The outer bearing  
> was ok, though  blackened grease had migrated over there, and the  
> bearings on the  other front hub are fine.  Last event I ran was an  
> enduro, but still,  only about 50 minutes of driving time.
> I had looked at the bearings at the not long ago - smooth and  
> plenty  of grease.  There's no evidence of actual bearing  
> disintegration, just  too much heat and burned up grease.
> Is it time for air ducts?  I run Hawk HT10s, stock calipers and   
> rotors.  Brakes were pulling straight, rotors are not warped -   
> possible this side was dragging, but there was no evidence of it  
> while  driving.  I would have figured the brakes would fade away  
> before this  happened.
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From kaskas at cox.net  Sun Jan 31 19:39:40 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:39:40 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Towing
Message-ID: <20100131213940.202FJ.27095.imail@fed1rmwml31>

So enough of this.  You need a 400 HP truck that has sleeping for five, and cooking, and gets 23 mpg, while going uphill with the AC blooming full chat and brakes that can stop a locomotive.  For this we will pay about $3000.  Okay now that is settled, lets talk about cars..
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 19:59:09 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:59:09 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Cooked Front Wheel Bearing On GT6
References: <A65A14E9-F888-4FD1-995D-88B1E5086F20@comcast.net>
	<52590302D78647D9B725B6377C58F790@Bud>
	<4756335D-367B-4CB7-89C5-FD754586154D@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BEDE5C8A02C1427797BEAD1F5D3BF2AC@Bud>

Hi Scott....It's loose!.The stub axle bolt is 55-60 lbs torque on a
Spitfire..Must be about the same for a GT6..
RB
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Scott Janzen
  To: RACER BUD
  Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
  Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Cooked Front Wheel Bearing On GT6


  yes - it was pretty snug - though I got maybe 1/8 turn on the nut.


  On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:20 PM, RACER BUD wrote:


  have you checked the tightness of the Big nut on the Back side of the axle?
  RB
  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
  To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:11 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Cooked Front Wheel Bearing On GT6



    One of the inner wheel bearings was totally dried out - looked like  the
grease had just been baked black by the heat of the brake rotor,  transmitted
to the hub. The race had turned that brownish gold color  metal gets after
being heated a lot.  The outer bearing was ok, though  blackened grease had
migrated over there, and the bearings on the  other front hub are fine.  Last
event I ran was an enduro, but still,  only about 50 minutes of driving time.

    I had looked at the bearings at the not long ago - smooth and plenty  of
grease.  There's no evidence of actual bearing disintegration, just  too much
heat and burned up grease.

    Is it time for air ducts?  I run Hawk HT10s, stock calipers and  rotors.
Brakes were pulling straight, rotors are not warped -  possible this side was
dragging, but there was no evidence of it while  driving.  I would have
figured the brakes would fade away before this  happened.

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From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jan 31 20:04:42 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:04:42 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <20100131213940.202FJ.27095.imail@fed1rmwml31>
References: <20100131213940.202FJ.27095.imail@fed1rmwml31>
Message-ID: <88FBCE6D-4BAA-4493-941B-C5917820AEC2@bnj.com>

I think it's actually about $43K, but I agree.

A little Peyote porn, courtesy of Tony Garmey. The little bugger sure looks
good. http://www.kenalu.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/peyote.jpg

Here's my current transportation--my downwind board converted to a trailer for
the seven mile leg back to the jeep:
http://www.kenalu.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/trailer.jpg

On Jan 31, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:

> So enough of this.  You need a 400 HP truck that has sleeping for five, and
cooking, and gets 23 mpg, while going uphill with the AC blooming full chat
and brakes that can stop a locomotive.  For this we will pay about $3000.
Okay now that is settled, lets talk about cars..
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From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jan 31 20:07:01 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:07:01 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <20100131213940.202FJ.27095.imail@fed1rmwml31>
References: <20100131213940.202FJ.27095.imail@fed1rmwml31>
Message-ID: <7D97290F-0ACE-43B1-8E87-FC0C71DE5B42@bnj.com>

I think it's actually about $43K, but I agree.

A little Peyote porn, courtesy of Tony Garmey. The little bugger sure looks
good. http://www.kenalu.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/peyote.jpg

Here's my current transportation--my downwind board converted to a trailer for
the seven mile leg back to the jeep:
http://www.kenalu.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/trailer.jpg

That should be filed under "what's the towing capacity of a cheap mountain
bike"

Bill

On Jan 31, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:

> So enough of this.  You need a 400 HP truck that has sleeping for five, and
cooking, and gets 23 mpg, while going uphill with the AC blooming full chat
and brakes that can stop a locomotive.  For this we will pay about $3000.
Okay now that is settled, lets talk about cars..
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From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jan 31 20:13:32 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:13:32 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Towing
In-Reply-To: <20100131213940.202FJ.27095.imail@fed1rmwml31>
References: <20100131213940.202FJ.27095.imail@fed1rmwml31>
Message-ID: <5AF04D5B-F29B-4333-9047-C931D63B4C15@bnj.com>

Here's the thread about this on the Standup Zone, a bigger bunch of lunatics I
haven't met, other than, well, everyone in the FOT.
http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=5928.0


On Jan 31, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:

> So enough of this.  You need a 400 HP truck that has sleeping for five, and
cooking, and gets 23 mpg, while going uphill with the AC blooming full chat
and brakes that can stop a locomotive.  For this we will pay about $3000.
Okay now that is settled, lets talk about cars..
> --
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 20:26:33 2010
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:26:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SCCA President's Cup Award: Sam Halkias
Message-ID: <673993c51001311926s20de2579hde73f9a4229cc7b4@mail.gmail.com>

Sam Halkias was awarded the President's Cup this past weekend at the SCCA
National Convention. Congrats!

Bob