From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Aug  1 03:30:34 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 11:30:34 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Dashboard design
In-Reply-To: <4F6C089A81BA49A3BAA6CF99B1C24F47@homekeith>
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Well,
after I met the racing team which does distribute these datalogger system
they installed it to my car for the Nordschleife event and they chose a
dashboard design for the event.
The equipment did very well I would say and so I bought it then. But I was
unhappy with the dashboard design...but now I have a new dashboard on the
screen which should be more suitable for a historic car:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xO-P436F_Y

Cheers
Chris

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Aug  1 05:59:49 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 07:59:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <SNT141-w13B23AD040A7D51594DB2B2AC0@phx.gbl>
References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<SNT141-w13B23AD040A7D51594DB2B2AC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CCFF882D47BD7B-1E80-26EFA@webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com>

We use a pair of MG GT springs rated at 480#s at the front and it sets the
ride height nicely as I remember it.  Several others have used these
springs....I think most have stayed with it.

Spax shocks at hard setting.

1.5-2.0 degree camber with modified upper A-Arms

0  -  1/32  Toe out

3/4" Goodparts swaybar.

We use no rear sway bar...and many others do not.

A simple low cost set up that seems effective for our purposes.

We tend to be more conservative on the costs....and need to be.

(Now we have two cars, three drivers, and one more driver at least, pending)





-----Original Message-----
From: Tony and Annie Garmey <horizonracing at msn.com>
To: deweerdm at rogers.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2010 11:32 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering


 Live axle car: check the front Spring rates (4-500lbs is a good starting
oint),That the ride height is Lower than the rear( A arms are parallel to the
evel ground) That the sway bar is not seized in the pillar blocks (3/4-7/8
ia), are the shocks working the same ? and IMHO, the welded diff needs to
o.
he quick steer rack is worth the dollars spent and I've added a 1/2 rear sway
ar to help with turn in as the TR 4 is or does have a lazy turn in.  I prefer
 pointy or crisp turn in. Using Hoosier speedster tires & yok. 048's.
very car/driver has there own preference and only testing different
ars/springs/shocks will get you were you need to go... the way you want it.
cheers & good luck
ony
> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:38:53 -0700
 From: deweerdm at rogers.com
 To: fot at autox.team.net
 Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering

 Hello list.
 I'm looking for any advice on how to get my TR4 to corner better. It seems
o
 under-steer immensely.
 I am now in the process of changing front springs and shocks because as I
 put heat into the tires, the car would dive down when I turn the wheel to
he
 left twice as much as when I turn to the right.(so I figured the left
pring
 to be weak). I have no idea of the age of the shocks or springs.
 I find that when entering a tight turn the car will continue straight no
 matter how much I turn the wheel and when the car slows down enough the
ront
 will then turn quite quickly and I have to counter-steer (straighten) the
 wheel. This makes turns seem jerky and unsafe to other racers.
 I have a welded rear live axle. (which just broke in the last race) and I
 noticed my "new" front Hoosiers are pretty much done after 4 races while
he
 back still look new.
 Now perhaps it's just me and I have to learn to drive slower into tight
urns
 while the MGB's fly past me, or I need to look at something in the front
nd?
 the car has 1/16 th to 1/8 toe in. the steering rack is tight, it has poly
 bushing through out the front end

 Any ideas would be appreciated, Thank you
 Mike
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Aug  1 07:04:43 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 08:04:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Dashboard design
In-Reply-To: <000001cb315c$335a9dc0$9a0fd940$@com>
References: <A7DB131E38D846BAA00DB31F5A52F344@your89d26e0447>
	<001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com>
	<CDA1DF0AF3784A718D942B34222449A5@your89d26e0447>
	<000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com>
	<D6F955CB372C4A8CAF7CBDD4EEA58B58@TER2>
	<000001cb2c07$5590d760$00b28620$@com>
	<4F6C089A81BA49A3BAA6CF99B1C24F47@homekeith>
	<000001cb315c$335a9dc0$9a0fd940$@com>
Message-ID: <20100801130355.A2DA6187644@autox.team.net>

Very cool!  I love the rear view mirror display.  The gauges are nice 
and are suitable for the car.

Which system is it?

- Tony

At 04:30 AM 8/1/2010, MadMarx wrote:
>Well,
>after I met the racing team which does distribute these datalogger system
>they installed it to my car for the Nordschleife event and they chose a
>dashboard design for the event.
>The equipment did very well I would say and so I bought it then. But I was
>unhappy with the dashboard design...but now I have a new dashboard on the
>screen which should be more suitable for a historic car:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xO-P436F_Y
>
>Cheers
>Chris
>_______________________________________________
>fot at autox.team.net
>
>http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Aug  1 08:50:27 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 16:50:27 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001301cb3188$e443c130$accb4390$@com>

Hi,

I'm using stock springs all around but beefed up the front springs with
rubber bits in 3 coils.
I'm running 5 degree camber and .5 degree or slightly less toe in at each
wheel.
I have a 21mm front sway bar and a 17.5mm rear one.
Shocks
Front - Koni red
Rear - stock with stiffer oil
LSD - welded as you

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von MIKE DEWEERD
Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. August 2010 05:39
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Hard cornering

Hello list.
I'm looking for any advice on how to get my TR4 to corner better. It seems
to
under-steer immensely.
   I am now in the process of changing front springs and shocks because as I
put heat into the tires, the car would dive down when I turn the wheel to
the
left twice as much as when I turn to the right.(so I figured the left spring
to be weak). I have no idea of the age of the shocks or springs.
  I find that when entering a tight turn the car will continue straight no
matter how much I turn the wheel and when the car slows down enough the
front
will then turn quite quickly and I have to counter-steer (straighten) the
wheel. This makes turns seem jerky and unsafe to other racers.
  I have a welded rear live axle. (which just broke in the last race) and I
noticed my "new" front Hoosiers are pretty much done after 4 races while the
back still look new.
 Now perhaps it's just me and I have to learn to drive slower into tight
turns
while the MGB's fly past me, or I need to look at something in the front
end?
the car has 1/16 th to 1/8 toe in. the steering rack is tight, it has poly
bushing through out the front end

Any ideas would be appreciated, Thank you
Mike
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sun Aug  1 09:47:54 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 11:47:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Dashboard design (jch: now tach location)
In-Reply-To: <000001cb315c$335a9dc0$9a0fd940$@com>
References: <A7DB131E38D846BAA00DB31F5A52F344@your89d26e0447><001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com><CDA1DF0AF3784A718D942B34222449A5@your89d26e0447><000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com><D6F955CB372C4A8CAF7CBDD4EEA58B58@TER2>
	<000001cb2c07$5590d760$00b28620$@com>
	<4F6C089A81BA49A3BAA6CF99B1C24F47@homekeith>
	<000001cb315c$335a9dc0$9a0fd940$@com>
Message-ID: <4C55972A.9050907@blacksburg.net>

On 8/1/2010 5:30 AM, MadMarx wrote:
> Well,
> after I met the racing team which does distribute these datalogger system
> they installed it to my car for the Nordschleife event and they chose a
> dashboard design for the event.
> The equipment did very well I would say and so I bought it then. But I was
> unhappy with the dashboard design...but now I have a new dashboard on the
> screen which should be more suitable for a historic car:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xO-P436F_Y
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>    
Very nice Chris.  What system is it?  It's cool to see the traffic rear 
view.  Is the speedometer in KPH?

Side question for the List: do folks leave the tach on the stock, left 
hand position, or move it to the right?  I've moved mine to the right, 
harkening back to my piloting days, where the primary flight control and 
engine instruments were in a tight group for scanning.  It makes it 
easier for me to see how the engine is doing by scanning from tach to 
oil pressure to temp, and occasionally to AFR (unfortunately mounted out 
of easy scan).

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Aug  1 11:31:52 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 19:31:52 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Dashboard design (jch: now tach location)
In-Reply-To: <4C55972A.9050907@blacksburg.net>
References: <A7DB131E38D846BAA00DB31F5A52F344@your89d26e0447><001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com><CDA1DF0AF3784A718D942B34222449A5@your89d26e0447><000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com><D6F955CB372C4A8CAF7CBDD4EEA58B58@TER2>
	<000001cb2c07$5590d760$00b28620$@com>
	<4F6C089A81BA49A3BAA6CF99B1C24F47@homekeith>
	<000001cb315c$335a9dc0$9a0fd940$@com>
	<4C55972A.9050907@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <000101cb319f$6e544a50$4afcdef0$@com>

It is a similar system like Mark Vaden use.
The only difference is that for the system I bought the dealer is in Germany
which makes it easier for me.

The system is from
http://www.race-technology.com/home_2.html

But the system from Mark is also great:
http://www.chasecam.com/

Have a look on his videos:
http://www.britishheritagemotorsports.com/TriHard_Racing.html

Your opinion with the tach position is right I would say but after 20 years
of TR driving I got used to have the tack left.
And my shift light is also on the left side because I found no better place
to hide it in front of the vents.


Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: J.C. Hassall [mailto:jhassall at blacksburg.net]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. August 2010 17:48
An: MadMarx
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Dashboard design (jch: now tach location)

On 8/1/2010 5:30 AM, MadMarx wrote:
> Well,
> after I met the racing team which does distribute these datalogger system
> they installed it to my car for the Nordschleife event and they chose a
> dashboard design for the event.
> The equipment did very well I would say and so I bought it then. But I was
> unhappy with the dashboard design...but now I have a new dashboard on the
> screen which should be more suitable for a historic car:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xO-P436F_Y
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
Very nice Chris.  What system is it?  It's cool to see the traffic rear
view.  Is the speedometer in KPH?

Side question for the List: do folks leave the tach on the stock, left
hand position, or move it to the right?  I've moved mine to the right,
harkening back to my piloting days, where the primary flight control and
engine instruments were in a tight group for scanning.  It makes it
easier for me to see how the engine is doing by scanning from tach to
oil pressure to temp, and occasionally to AFR (unfortunately mounted out
of easy scan).

jim

--
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go

From rjl at gt-classics.com  Sun Aug  1 12:00:47 2010
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 14:00:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B0.B7.24219.556B55C4@smtp02.embarq.synacor.com>

Definitively some good suggestions here, but I'd like
to add another one.  Check your alignment.  For
autocross, I preferred to use about a quarter inch of
toe out.  For higher speed courses, I would back that
off to about an 1/8 inch toe out, or zero toe.  That will
help the initial turn in a bit.

John

At 11:38 PM 7/31/2010, MIKE DEWEERD wrote:
>Hello list.
>I'm looking for any advice on how to get my TR4 to corner better. It seems to
>under-steer immensely.
>    I am now in the process of changing front springs and shocks because as I
>put heat into the tires, the car would dive down when I turn the wheel to the
>left twice as much as when I turn to the right.(so I figured the left spring
>to be weak). I have no idea of the age of the shocks or springs.
>   I find that when entering a tight turn the car will continue straight no
>matter how much I turn the wheel and when the car slows down enough the front
>will then turn quite quickly and I have to counter-steer (straighten) the
>wheel. This makes turns seem jerky and unsafe to other racers.
>   I have a welded rear live axle. (which just broke in the last race) and I
>noticed my "new" front Hoosiers are pretty much done after 4 races while the
>back still look new.
>  Now perhaps it's just me and I have to learn to drive slower into 
> tight turns
>while the MGB's fly past me, or I need to look at something in the front end?
>the car has 1/16 th to 1/8 toe in. the steering rack is tight, it has poly
>bushing through out the front end
>
>Any ideas would be appreciated, Thank you
>Mike
>_______________________________________________
>fot at autox.team.net
>
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>
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Thanks,
R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net 

From KENMUN at aol.com  Sun Aug  1 13:05:53 2010
From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 15:05:53 EDT
Subject: [Fot] tr 3/4 timing chain sprockets and chain
Message-ID: <10d055.6830d9ea.39871f91@aol.com>

fot, i need both sprockets and chain. if you don't have all, a partial is  
ok. thanks, ken m. tr3 vintage racer

From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Aug  1 16:42:41 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 15:42:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Car Ad  COULD BE A TRIUMPH!
Message-ID: <DE91D4BDD1154894B46A699C6F77F59A@Bud>

Great way to start the day....:>)









        Watch this if you dont laugh at this there is no hope for you..
heheheha

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type video/x-ms-wmv which had a name of BestCarAdEver.wmv]

From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Aug  1 17:04:15 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 17:04:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Car Ad  COULD BE A TRIUMPH!
In-Reply-To: <DE91D4BDD1154894B46A699C6F77F59A@Bud>
References: <DE91D4BDD1154894B46A699C6F77F59A@Bud>
Message-ID: <4C55FD6F.5070508@bradakis.com>

> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type video/x-ms-wmv which had a name of BestCarAdEver.wmv]
>    

If I told you once, ...

Some days I do feel like no one ever listens to me, the list admin.

mjb.

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Aug  1 18:40:19 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 17:40:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Car Ad  COULD BE A TRIUMPH!
In-Reply-To: <4C55FD6F.5070508@bradakis.com>
References: <DE91D4BDD1154894B46A699C6F77F59A@Bud>
	<4C55FD6F.5070508@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <035b01cb31db$4933ee10$0301a8c0@randall>

> Some days I do feel like no one ever listens to me, 

Listening is one thing; remembering is another thing entirely!

Randall "My glasses were here a minute ago ..."

From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Aug  2 04:22:46 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 05:22:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006001cb322c$a78210e0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

The welded diff debate has occurred within this group
in the past.   Some of us like it others do not.
It does require a different driving style.  Stability of
attitude depends upon the throttle being screwed fully
down all the way thru the corner.  Gotta pitch the thing
into the hairpins.  Corner exit is pretty good.  the fact that
something broke makes me think maybe you were not
going fast enough to unload the inside tire.
My old TR3 used to go thru slow corners with both inside
tires off the ground.

art de armond
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MIKE DEWEERD" <deweerdm at rogers.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 10:38 PM
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering


> Hello list.
> I'm looking for any advice on how to get my TR4 to corner better. It seems 
> to
> under-steer immensely.
>   I am now in the process of changing front springs and shocks because as 
> I
> put heat into the tires, the car would dive down when I turn the wheel to 
> the
> left twice as much as when I turn to the right.(so I figured the left 
> spring
> to be weak). I have no idea of the age of the shocks or springs.
>  I find that when entering a tight turn the car will continue straight no
> matter how much I turn the wheel and when the car slows down enough the 
> front
> will then turn quite quickly and I have to counter-steer (straighten) the
> wheel. This makes turns seem jerky and unsafe to other racers.
>  I have a welded rear live axle. (which just broke in the last race) and I
> noticed my "new" front Hoosiers are pretty much done after 4 races while 
> the
> back still look new.
> Now perhaps it's just me and I have to learn to drive slower into tight 
> turns
> while the MGB's fly past me, or I need to look at something in the front 
> end?
> the car has 1/16 th to 1/8 toe in. the steering rack is tight, it has poly
> bushing through out the front end
>
> Any ideas would be appreciated, Thank you
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Aug  2 06:26:56 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 14:26:56 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <006001cb322c$a78210e0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<006001cb322c$a78210e0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <000001cb323e$0076d4e0$01647ea0$@com>

I really don't feel any push at my car.
It has a crisp turning in.
I really love the welded diff. The balance of the car is so nice and easy
and predictable.

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von riverside
Gesendet: Montag, 2. August 2010 12:23
An: MIKE DEWEERD; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering

The welded diff debate has occurred within this group
in the past.   Some of us like it others do not.
It does require a different driving style.  Stability of
attitude depends upon the throttle being screwed fully
down all the way thru the corner.  Gotta pitch the thing
into the hairpins.  Corner exit is pretty good.  the fact that
something broke makes me think maybe you were not
going fast enough to unload the inside tire.
My old TR3 used to go thru slow corners with both inside
tires off the ground.

art de armond
----- Original Message -----
From: "MIKE DEWEERD" <deweerdm at rogers.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 10:38 PM
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering


> Hello list.
> I'm looking for any advice on how to get my TR4 to corner better. It seems

> to
> under-steer immensely.
>   I am now in the process of changing front springs and shocks because as
> I
> put heat into the tires, the car would dive down when I turn the wheel to
> the
> left twice as much as when I turn to the right.(so I figured the left
> spring
> to be weak). I have no idea of the age of the shocks or springs.
>  I find that when entering a tight turn the car will continue straight no
> matter how much I turn the wheel and when the car slows down enough the
> front
> will then turn quite quickly and I have to counter-steer (straighten) the
> wheel. This makes turns seem jerky and unsafe to other racers.
>  I have a welded rear live axle. (which just broke in the last race) and I
> noticed my "new" front Hoosiers are pretty much done after 4 races while
> the
> back still look new.
> Now perhaps it's just me and I have to learn to drive slower into tight
> turns
> while the MGB's fly past me, or I need to look at something in the front
> end?
> the car has 1/16 th to 1/8 toe in. the steering rack is tight, it has poly
> bushing through out the front end
>
> Any ideas would be appreciated, Thank you
> Mike
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Aug  2 07:15:09 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:15:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Dashboard design & data loggers
In-Reply-To: <000001cb315c$335a9dc0$9a0fd940$@com>
Message-ID: <1547908884.582826.1280754909346.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Chris, 

What brand of data logger is it? I'm using the Traqmate system. I've only logged a couple races so 

far but already seeing where I can improve. The Traqmate system has a similar dashboard 

but I don't have the software yet to sync up the data to my video.. 



Jim G 




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2010 3:30:34 AM 
Subject: [Fot] Dashboard design 

Well, 
after I met the racing team which does distribute these datalogger system 
they installed it to my car for the Nordschleife event and they chose a 
dashboard design for the event. 
The equipment did very well I would say and so I bought it then. But I was 
unhappy with the dashboard design...but now I have a new dashboard on the 
screen which should be more suitable for a historic car: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xO-P436F_Y 

Cheers 
Chris 
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Aug  2 07:26:16 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 15:26:16 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Dashboard design & data loggers
In-Reply-To: <1547908884.582826.1280754909346.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <000001cb315c$335a9dc0$9a0fd940$@com>
	<1547908884.582826.1280754909346.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000c01cb3246$4b3e1350$e1ba39f0$@com>

Hi Jim,



this is the machinery:

http://www.race-technology.com/home_2.html



It does blend in the dashboard during the recording but you are also free to
do the blend in later at the PC.

I have this equipment:

Dash 3

DL1

Video4



Cheers

Chris



Von: toodamnfunky at comcast.net [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net]
Gesendet: Montag, 2. August 2010 15:15
An: MadMarx
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Dashboard design & data loggers



Chris,

What brand of data logger is it? I'm using the Traqmate system. I've only
logged a couple races so

far but already seeing where I can improve. The Traqmate system has a similar
dashboard

but I don't have the software yet to sync up the data to my video..



Jim G




----- Original Message -----
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2010 3:30:34 AM
Subject: [Fot] Dashboard design

Well,
after I met the racing team which does distribute these datalogger system
they installed it to my car for the Nordschleife event and they chose a
dashboard design for the event.
The equipment did very well I would say and so I bought it then. But I was
unhappy with the dashboard design...but now I have a new dashboard on the
screen which should be more suitable for a historic car:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xO-P436F_Y

Cheers
Chris
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Mon Aug  2 10:14:15 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 10:14:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Last call - Shirt orders
Message-ID: <B45FCCFE-E09E-4B72-A1C2-50C695E4A163@earthlink.net>

Last call for our very special, very limited edition "FoT Wheels" /  
Kastner Cup shirts. Response has been a bit dismal - apparently not  
everyone is as enthusiastic about the design as I am. Don't know when  
we will get another opportunity to combine a contemporary theme with  
a National Championship winning Triumph, the Kastner Cup and the  
inaugural event of a new club.
That's my last pitch.
For those who have sent your payment, I'll be sending you a  
confirmation before the order goes in.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM



Here are the links and details again.

Shirt front: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/Picture%201.png

Shirt back: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/KastnerBackUse.jpg


Sizes S - XL are $12.50 ea. + $1.25 for 2X-5X
Shipping  will be $3.50. That makes S-XL $16 and 2X-5X $17.25 or pick  
them up at the track.

Full color silk screen on a100% cotton white tee.
Be sure to specify the size[s] with your payment.


Payment via PayPal to:
lunkercars at earthlink.net

Send checks to:
Lunkercars
323-K Claremont Ave NW
Albuquerque NM 87107

If paying by check, please also send me a e-mail so I know the numbers.
Thanks.

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Aug  2 15:57:06 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:57:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Stupid Question...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008021750200.31896@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

This topic came up while installing the tranny in my race car. In short, I 
converted a RHD late TR6 (CR1871) to LHD about 10 years ago. I have most 
of the large pieces (dash, pedal box, accelerator pedal) and maybe a 
couple of misc stuff. I know they didn't make too many late RHD PI TR6s...

A dude from somewhere in the US is prepping a car for export to NZ and is 
looking at buying the stuff. In my usual charitable way, I suggested that 
I'd let the stuff go "cheap". I'm rethinking that path.

SO, what's this stuff worth? Off list is probably better - I'll summarize 
if I get any reasonable replies that are okay to share.

I had thought about restoring the tub to RHD and shipping the car off, but 
it would be a fairly big deal to return the car to RHD and streetable at 
this point (it's been a race car for 10 years)... but I bagged that idea a 
long time ago. So I'll likely sell the bits.

regards,
rml
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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2010 NER Solo Chair                            |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
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From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Mon Aug  2 16:33:17 2010
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:33:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Two car trailer
Message-ID: <1907609.1280788397166.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi FOT I'm looking for info on a two car trailer.  I have one now and a friend wants to add to his trailer. He has a 16 or 18 ft Carson now and we want to add a second car to it. We have a picture of a trailer heading up north on the 101 with two Spits on it. One on top of the other.  Please contact me .  Thanks    Joe

Chequered Flag Racing .net
Joseph P. Siam
9833 Deering Ave unit I
Chatsworth Ca 91311
818 350 6222

From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Aug  2 16:45:14 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 15:45:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Two car trailer
In-Reply-To: <1907609.1280788397166.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <1907609.1280788397166.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3AC54ED7F6FA4F8383B03F33C9FBCCF8@joepentiumnew>

Here is what I did:

http://members.cox.net/spitlist/Trailer.htm

By stacking the two cars, it is much shorter and therefore easier to handle
than most 2 car trailers.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Joseph Siam
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 3:33 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Two car trailer

Hi FOT I'm looking for info on a two car trailer.  I have one now and a
friend wants to add to his trailer. He has a 16 or 18 ft Carson now and we
want to add a second car to it. We have a picture of a trailer heading up
north on the 101 with two Spits on it. One on top of the other.  Please
contact me .  Thanks    Joe

Chequered Flag Racing .net
Joseph P. Siam
9833 Deering Ave unit I
Chatsworth Ca 91311
818 350 6222
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From igofaster at att.net  Mon Aug  2 18:07:19 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:07:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] My Spitfire Racecar on eBay
Message-ID: <757496.16482.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I listed a Triumph Spitfire on eBay last night. I bought it in March 2010 off of 
eBay. Would make a nice start for someone looking to get into vintage racing...
Item # 200503910599

Bobby Whitehead

From dave at microworks.net  Mon Aug  2 20:04:00 2010
From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 19:04:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] That new AZ track to be featured on Speed
Message-ID: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF034F71@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local>

The new track that opened this year down in Wilcox, Arizona will be
featured on Speed next week.



"Battle of the Supercars" filmed at Inde Motorsports will air August
12th at 10pm EST on SPEED Channel. Tanner Foust vs Paul Tracy in a
Gumpert Apollo and GT Malan! Set your DVRs and be sure to watch!"

From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Aug  3 16:28:16 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 17:28:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Weight of SU H6 floats
Message-ID: <000001cb335b$2e4119d0$8ac34d70$@com>

Anyone happen to know what a good SU H6 float weighs, preferably in grams?
I'd like to check the floats I have to see which ones don't have any gas or
leaks.  The best way with my deficient hearing is to just weigh them.

 

Thanks,

Tim

1961 TR4 #317

From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  3 18:06:41 2010
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 00:06:41 +0000
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
Message-ID: <mailman.26.1280880417.911.fot@autox.team.net>

Mike-

What fixes did you finally make to your float lids prior to the Seattle race and did they work?

I ended up buying some new float lids for MGB HS4s from Moss that orient the floats front to back and have the spring loaded needles. Drove the car around the neighborhood and it seemed to run fine, but haven't hit it hard into left handers, and won't be able to do until Topeka. 

If they do the trick, I will share the part numbers with those who are interested. 

Thx

Ty

------Original Message------
To: Tony Drews
To: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: Mike Mehl
To: Triumph Friends of
Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
Sent: Jun 23, 2010 6:53 PM

Hi Tony and Mike-

I have the same problem. Unfortunately, the current float bowl tops and 3 screw configuration doesn't give me this option.  All I can do is turn them 180 degrees. No space for fuel line if I place the pivot front or rear.   

Are there options or different tops for the bowls that can help solve this problem that folks are aware of?

Coming out of left handers right now floods badly and allows others to make some great passes!

Thx in advance for the help

Ty



------Original Message------
From: Tony Drews
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: Mike Mehl
To: Triumph Friends of
Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
Sent: Jun 21, 2010 12:18 AM

Mike, the tops of the float bowls need to be oriented so that the 
pivot for the float is at the front or the rear, not to either side.

- Tony Drews

At 11:34 PM 6/19/2010, Mike Mehl wrote:
>I finally have my head issues sorted out and ready to run in Seattle July 4
>weekend.  The car seems to hesitate when I turn the car a sharp left.  Any
>thoughts would be great.
>
>Mike
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From klynch_6 at msn.com  Tue Aug  3 18:48:48 2010
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 18:48:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] 1971 GT6 ser. # question
Message-ID: <SNT123-DS1265013C275FCAE0FC88E9B7AF0@phx.gbl>

Group:   per friend's request...


Kev,
could you post this to  FOT board please. I'm trying to find out if there is
any kind of record as to the number of GT6's (71 specifically) that left the
factory with an overdrive transmission and were they so noted in their serial
number (is the "O" at end after the "L" designate "Overdrive")

thanks
Bill

From mlcooknj at msn.com  Tue Aug  3 18:55:13 2010
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 20:55:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 1971 GT6 ser. # question
In-Reply-To: <SNT123-DS1265013C275FCAE0FC88E9B7AF0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT123-DS1265013C275FCAE0FC88E9B7AF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY147-w230849B5334106EB8AB699C8AF0@phx.gbl>

As far as I know, the final "O" always stood for Overdrive.

Mike Cook

> From: klynch_6 at msn.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 18:48:48 -0600
> Subject: [Fot] 1971 GT6 ser. # question
>
> Group: per friend's request...
>
>
> Kev,
> could you post this to FOT board please. I'm trying to find out if there is
> any kind of record as to the number of GT6's (71 specifically) that left
the
> factory with an overdrive transmission and were they so noted in their
serial
> number (is the "O" at end after the "L" designate "Overdrive")
>
> thanks
> Bill
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From markvaden at gmail.com  Tue Aug  3 23:44:15 2010
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 22:44:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Dashboard design (jch: now tach location)
References: <AANLkTimVU_JiafAzy7LyJcHh19wkssPpankBxRt0Q2vq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ADC0DCC3-444E-40F7-928C-FAF7083B2363@gmail.com>

I am re forwarding this since it seems it was not sent due to size. Sorry if
this was sent twice.
>

> I thought I would chime in since I have been working on this for a few
years. A friend and I decided to write an application that would combine video
and data for analysis a few years back. We programmed it ourselves on nights
and weekends. When we were nearing completion we approached ChaseCam about a
partnership, and they were open to it, and so the product is now ChaseCam
DashWare. I only mention the way we started because it explains one of the
core features of the product - the ability to work with any camera and any
data logger. Since we did not know when we were developing the software, how
things would turn out, we made DashWare work with as wide a range as products
as possible.
>
> DashWare can combine video and data with almost any logger and almost any
camera. With the cameras by ChaseCam the data and video is auto synchronized,
otherwise the video is manually synchronized using the software. We are in the
process of making a new website for DashWare, and we are going to drastically
reduce the price, so if anyone is interested in purchasing DashWare send me an
email. We are also going to implement a FOT price break, so again if anyone is
interested send me an email.
>
> Over the last few years of working on this, I have used 1/2 dozen or so
different loggers - so I have some feedback. I will try and keep it unbiased.
>
> I think for analysis the most important things are rpm and speed. Than after
that accelerometers are nice, and then the individual sensors like throttle
and brake. I think you get the best value by having other data to compare to.
So if a lot of people have one logger that you run with you might consider
getting the same logger, so you can compare your data vs theirs. Or
alternatively you can use DashWare to compare data from almost any logger.
>
> ChaseCam Data Module
> Pros:
> Auto syncs video with data
> Supports gps/rpm + one additional sensor.
> Has an optional OBD2 hookup
> Software (DashWare) is very easy to use.
> Camera automatically starts and stops recording
> Compact size
> Easy to hook up
> Build custom gauges (overlays that look like TR4 etc)
> Cons:
> Only works with ChaseCam cameras
> No Dash(Display)
> Can only set start finish in software
> TraqMate
> Pros:
> Supports gps/rpm
> Easy to use
> Cons:
> Only supports camcorders (which do not work well for recording racing
video)
> Must remove the dash from the car to plug it into usb port (kind of a pain
unscrewing it all)
> Does not seem as rugged as some other loggers
>
> RLC/ChaseCam Chase Commander:
> Pros:
> Very nice Dash
> easy to setup
> Depending on model expandable
> Supports gps/accelerometers/rpm
> Cons:
> Software is easy to use but too limited
>
> Racepak G2X:
> Pros:
> GPS/accelerometers/rpm
> Nice hardware - 5hz gps, very rugged
> Very expandable with large list of add on sensors
> Cons:
> Software is horrible. Even once you figure out how to use it, requires two
many steps before you see your data.
> Motec:
> The best system - can monitor anything.
> The software is complex, but phenomenal. Most pro teams use Motec.
> Cons:
> $$$$$ - it's really expensive
>
> If anyone has some questions about loggers - feel free to ping me.
>
> -Mark

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Aug  4 01:22:22 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:22:22 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Dashboard design (jch: now tach location)
In-Reply-To: <ADC0DCC3-444E-40F7-928C-FAF7083B2363@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimVU_JiafAzy7LyJcHh19wkssPpankBxRt0Q2vq@mail.gmail.com>
	<ADC0DCC3-444E-40F7-928C-FAF7083B2363@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000f01cb33a5$c93a6960$5baf3c20$@com>

Thank you Mark for this very useful information.
Does your software support the DL1 Logger and Video4 system?

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Mark Vaden
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. August 2010 07:44
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Fwd: Dashboard design (jch: now tach location)

I am re forwarding this since it seems it was not sent due to size. Sorry if
this was sent twice.
>

> I thought I would chime in since I have been working on this for a few
years. A friend and I decided to write an application that would combine
video
and data for analysis a few years back. We programmed it ourselves on nights
and weekends. When we were nearing completion we approached ChaseCam about a
partnership, and they were open to it, and so the product is now ChaseCam
DashWare. I only mention the way we started because it explains one of the
core features of the product - the ability to work with any camera and any
data logger. Since we did not know when we were developing the software, how
things would turn out, we made DashWare work with as wide a range as
products
as possible.
>
> DashWare can combine video and data with almost any logger and almost any
camera. With the cameras by ChaseCam the data and video is auto
synchronized,
otherwise the video is manually synchronized using the software. We are in
the
process of making a new website for DashWare, and we are going to
drastically
reduce the price, so if anyone is interested in purchasing DashWare send me
an
email. We are also going to implement a FOT price break, so again if anyone
is
interested send me an email.
>
> Over the last few years of working on this, I have used 1/2 dozen or so
different loggers - so I have some feedback. I will try and keep it
unbiased.
>
> I think for analysis the most important things are rpm and speed. Than
after
that accelerometers are nice, and then the individual sensors like throttle
and brake. I think you get the best value by having other data to compare
to.
So if a lot of people have one logger that you run with you might consider
getting the same logger, so you can compare your data vs theirs. Or
alternatively you can use DashWare to compare data from almost any logger.
>
> ChaseCam Data Module
> Pros:
> Auto syncs video with data
> Supports gps/rpm + one additional sensor.
> Has an optional OBD2 hookup
> Software (DashWare) is very easy to use.
> Camera automatically starts and stops recording
> Compact size
> Easy to hook up
> Build custom gauges (overlays that look like TR4 etc)
> Cons:
> Only works with ChaseCam cameras
> No Dash(Display)
> Can only set start finish in software
> TraqMate
> Pros:
> Supports gps/rpm
> Easy to use
> Cons:
> Only supports camcorders (which do not work well for recording racing
video)
> Must remove the dash from the car to plug it into usb port (kind of a pain
unscrewing it all)
> Does not seem as rugged as some other loggers
>
> RLC/ChaseCam Chase Commander:
> Pros:
> Very nice Dash
> easy to setup
> Depending on model expandable
> Supports gps/accelerometers/rpm
> Cons:
> Software is easy to use but too limited
>
> Racepak G2X:
> Pros:
> GPS/accelerometers/rpm
> Nice hardware - 5hz gps, very rugged
> Very expandable with large list of add on sensors
> Cons:
> Software is horrible. Even once you figure out how to use it, requires two
many steps before you see your data.
> Motec:
> The best system - can monitor anything.
> The software is complex, but phenomenal. Most pro teams use Motec.
> Cons:
> $$$$$ - it's really expensive
>
> If anyone has some questions about loggers - feel free to ping me.
>
> -Mark
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Wed Aug  4 04:40:39 2010
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 03:40:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] 1971 GT6 ser. # question
In-Reply-To: <SNT123-DS1265013C275FCAE0FC88E9B7AF0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT123-DS1265013C275FCAE0FC88E9B7AF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <149532.30506.qm@web80807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

As someone else wrote, the O suffix always meant overdrive. However,
the
factory didn't always get it right. My 1973 Spitfire has and always
has had
OD, but the serial number doesn't reflect that.
________________________________
From: KEVIN LYNCH <klynch_6 at msn.com>
To: FOT
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, August 3, 2010 8:48:48 PM
Subject: [Fot] 1971
GT6 ser. # question

Group:  per friend's request...


Kev,
could you post
this to  FOT board please. I'm trying to find out if there is
any kind of
record as to the number of GT6's (71 specifically) that left the
factory with
an overdrive transmission and were they so noted in their serial
number (is
the "O" at end after the "L" designate "Overdrive")

thanks
Bill
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Aug  4 09:49:02 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:49:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Liner height question
Message-ID: <678938078.679759.1280936942383.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

FoT

I picked up my block last night and set about fitting my new liners. I
generally

measure the liner height at six points. 1 , 3, 5, 7, 9 & 11 o'clock.

I use the 12 and 6 position to cinch the liner to the block with aluminum bar

that bridges from stud to stud. I use a spacer that makes contact with the
liners

at 12 & 6.B 

On # 3 liner I am getting a tight .003 on one side of the block and .005 on
the other.

I'm shooting for .003 - .004 since I'm using the shim steel gasket. I tried
loosening

the liner and re-seat it and it still reads the same after I snug it down
again.

Tonight I will try to move liners around and see if I get better results

but I was wondering if ;

A.B B B B B Is aB snug .003 fit enough projection?

B.B B B  IsB a difference of .002 from side to side too much?



Still trying to make Topeka & thanks for any input,

Jim G

From s.janzen at comcast.net  Wed Aug  4 10:45:41 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:45:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <006001cb322c$a78210e0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<006001cb322c$a78210e0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <33D176FC-E819-439B-AF5C-581DC0569DA4@comcast.net>

I'm also trying to improve my car's handling.  As a GT6 driver,  
there's less of a "database" of drivers out there than with the TR4,  
so I'm wading through Fred Puhn's How to Make Your Car Handle.   
Readily available used on Amazon, and it may be helpful in  
understanding the dynamics of what you are experiencing, as you start  
trying new parts.

I'm finding it a good read, and perhaps I will have less "error"  
associated with the "trial" as I work on car balance.

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Aug  4 11:23:48 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 19:23:48 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <33D176FC-E819-439B-AF5C-581DC0569DA4@comcast.net>
References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<006001cb322c$a78210e0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<33D176FC-E819-439B-AF5C-581DC0569DA4@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000601cb33f9$cf77f690$6e67e3b0$@com>

This year I also had a look into a German suspension books....one for race
car suspension and one for engineering of suspension.
>From this I started to work a lot more with the suspension to fit the car to
the track and found lots of seconds on the track.
At Zandvoort I had a gain of 2 seconds
At Assen 5 seconds
And the Nordschleife 20 seconds
(not all by suspension the new cam did also help)

So there is much gain to find at our cars.

Cheers
Chris

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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. August 2010 18:46
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering

I'm also trying to improve my car's handling.  As a GT6 driver,
there's less of a "database" of drivers out there than with the TR4,
so I'm wading through Fred Puhn's How to Make Your Car Handle.
Readily available used on Amazon, and it may be helpful in
understanding the dynamics of what you are experiencing, as you start
trying new parts.

I'm finding it a good read, and perhaps I will have less "error"
associated with the "trial" as I work on car balance.
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Wed Aug  4 11:41:19 2010
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:41:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <33D176FC-E819-439B-AF5C-581DC0569DA4@comcast.net>
References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>,
	<006001cb322c$a78210e0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>,
	<33D176FC-E819-439B-AF5C-581DC0569DA4@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <SNT141-w44C21C7DE83091CA5E410BB2AF0@phx.gbl>

Having read Fred's book and a whole bunch of others......the best IMHO is the
Mark Donohue Unfair advantage. The Basis of which is to work out what you
"think" you need and test test test after testing on a skid pad.
I've been lucky enough to build a lot of vintage race cars and the basics
never change. Tires ! Shocks ! Because the car has been lowered, do the shocks
bottom out (that's a big one for Porsche 356's), Is suspension binding and
have enough travel ?
I've got a Ferrari (250GT SWB Fantuzzi ) that I put a rear bar on then
removed, springs rates etc etc. nothing made a difference to the feel of the
car or lap times.
Why ? because the Chassis flex's so bad. Again. Back to basics.

Hope this snippet of info helpful to someone :)

Tony

> From: s.janzen at comcast.net
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:45:41 -0400
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering
>
> I'm also trying to improve my car's handling. As a GT6 driver,
> there's less of a "database" of drivers out there than with the TR4,
> so I'm wading through Fred Puhn's How to Make Your Car Handle.
> Readily available used on Amazon, and it may be helpful in
> understanding the dynamics of what you are experiencing, as you start
> trying new parts.
>
> I'm finding it a good read, and perhaps I will have less "error"
> associated with the "trial" as I work on car balance.
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>
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Aug  4 12:29:11 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:29:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Liner height question
In-Reply-To: <678938078.679759.1280936942383.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087B935CDC@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

In your situation I would put the head on less the gasket, tighten to 50 lbs
and recheck. You may get better measurement results than you think. I have a
torque plate for that purpose. Actually I have two but that's another story.

IMHO, .002 side to side is an issue. I've seen stock compression engines have
a head gasket failure with this difference, but at the same time it was
possibly a quality of work issue.

Some people get the deck surfaced not realizing that that deck surface needs
to be indexed off the liner ledge, not the oil pan surface, resulting in
slightly slanted decks. Thus you cannot fix this problem with the liners. If
you cannot do it any other way use a stock head gasket and be extra careful
with the torquing and you will probably get through it.


Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson




-----Original Message-----
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Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:49 AM
To: fot
Subject: [Fot] Liner height question

FoT

I picked up my block last night and set about fitting my new liners. I
generally

From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Aug  4 19:53:01 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 19:53:01 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Well, shucks
Message-ID: <4C5A197D.2080202@bradakis.com>

Nice.  Come home from work and no network.  Looks like Team.Net went
off the air a little after noon Utah time, I think I have it back and 
running.

mjb.

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Aug  4 15:26:41 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:26:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Liner height question
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087B935CDC@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
References: <678938078.679759.1280936942383.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087B935CDC@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <0ff301cb341b$bb5bd470$32137d50$@rr.com>

> If
> you cannot do it any other way use a stock head gasket and be extra
> careful
> with the torquing and you will probably get through it.

FWIW, I have had good luck sealing .003" from side to side, by using a stock
head gasket and the addition of a copper O-ring around each cylinder.  20
AWG "half hard" bare copper wire, laid into the slight groove next to the
stock fire ring, and tacked in place with electronic solder.
http://tinyurl.com/2f6lvq5

Before trying that, I just could not keep a head gasket sealed for any
length of time.  This is on the street (but I do drive my cars hard on
occasion).

And I'm beginning to think this was a fairly common problem from the
factory, since I've now found two TR3 blocks in a row that appear unmolested
and yet are not machined properly.

-- Randall 

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Wed Aug  4 20:21:41 2010
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:21:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Empty trailer ohio
Message-ID: <BAY123-W299EC148AEBA382E019287BA900@phx.gbl>

There is a chance I will have an empty open car trailer going to / from the
Oxford Ohio area to the Cleveland Ohio area mid September.  If you need  a
vehicle transported in that general area contact me off list.

Marty

From deweerdm at rogers.com  Wed Aug  4 20:24:55 2010
From: deweerdm at rogers.com (MIKE DEWEERD)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 19:24:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
Message-ID: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hello List
Thank you for ALL the advice so far.  This is where I'm at.
 
I've
  -installed new front competetion springs and GAZ shocks (adjustable) from
TSI
  -installed solid rear spring bushings (poly)
  -set tire pressures at 23 cold 26 hot  This is where I ran last 3 races
seemed good
  -car will be in frame shop early next week to check frame
square/straightness etc.
  -car will get 4 wheel alignment and 1.75 neg if possible with me in
car.(early tr4)
  -rear springs were found to be of different arch so re-arched them
  - front swaybar 3/4 dia (unknown origon) set to zero
  - corner weights wil be measured with driver.
 
That's it for now, it's a lot of changes at once so I'll never know which one
did the most but this will be my base line to go forward on.
A brake Bias and new dual master cylinders this winter perhaps a LSD diff
(budget pending)
 
It's sometimes a real pain not knowing what previous owners have done or tried
to do to the car in years gone by, I urge all racers to document all changes
and improvements to thier cars for future buyer/owners .....and just so that
you remember too.
 
Cheers
Mike Deweerd TR4 #77
 
 
 
 

From deweerdm at rogers.com  Wed Aug  4 20:34:04 2010
From: deweerdm at rogers.com (MIKE DEWEERD)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 19:34:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] HEADER for a TR4
Message-ID: <6438.33057.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

And just when you think you're getting ahead, ,,,,
 
I was putting in the new springs and noticed the header wrap was hanging loose
so I cut it off, an hour or so later when I was finishing up the shocks I
noticed a crack in the header (where I cut the wrap off earlier) so I pulled
the header off unwrapped it completely and found most of the number 2 tube
missing along the bottom (rotted)
Ted (TSI) has found me one across the pond but it's a bit pricey, Stahl seems
to have a nice one but it's also a bit steep.  Anyone know of a header for
sale anywhere???
my muffler guy doesn't have a die with that tight a radius and even if he did
he'd end up making the whole thing over so he can weld it.
Thanks
Mike Deweerd
TR4 #77

From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Aug  4 21:19:33 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 21:19:33 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>

As I relayed before Mike - RADIUS ARMS!

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Aug 4, 2010, at 8:24 PM, MIKE DEWEERD wrote:

> Hello List
> Thank you for ALL the advice so far.  This is where I'm at.
>
> I've
>   -installed new front competetion springs and GAZ shocks  
> (adjustable) from
> TSI
>   -installed solid rear spring bushings (poly)
>   -set tire pressures at 23 cold 26 hot  This is where I ran last 3  
> races
> seemed good
>   -car will be in frame shop early next week to check frame
> square/straightness etc.
>   -car will get 4 wheel alignment and 1.75 neg if possible with me in
> car.(early tr4)
>   -rear springs were found to be of different arch so re-arched them
>   - front swaybar 3/4 dia (unknown origon) set to zero
>   - corner weights wil be measured with driver.
>
> That's it for now, it's a lot of changes at once so I'll never know  
> which one
> did the most but this will be my base line to go forward on.
> A brake Bias and new dual master cylinders this winter perhaps a  
> LSD diff
> (budget pending)
>
> It's sometimes a real pain not knowing what previous owners have  
> done or tried
> to do to the car in years gone by, I urge all racers to document  
> all changes
> and improvements to thier cars for future buyer/owners .....and  
> just so that
> you remember too.
>
> Cheers
> Mike Deweerd TR4 #77
>
>
>
>
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Aug  4 23:48:09 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 23:48:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] HEADER for a TR4
In-Reply-To: <6438.33057.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <6438.33057.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0C852135-B90E-4C24-9198-19D045019C93@comcast.net>

There is a stainless steel header for sale in Colorado.
As I recall it was 200 or 250. Look on Colorado craigslist

Jim g

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 4, 2010, at 8:34 PM, MIKE DEWEERD <deweerdm at rogers.com> wrote:

> And just when you think you're getting ahead, ,,,,
>
> I was putting in the new springs and noticed the header wrap was  
> hanging loose
> so I cut it off, an hour or so later when I was finishing up the  
> shocks I
> noticed a crack in the header (where I cut the wrap off earlier) so  
> I pulled
> the header off unwrapped it completely and found most of the number  
> 2 tube
> missing along the bottom (rotted)
> Ted (TSI) has found me one across the pond but it's a bit pricey,  
> Stahl seems
> to have a nice one but it's also a bit steep.  Anyone know of a  
> header for
> sale anywhere???
> my muffler guy doesn't have a die with that tight a radius and even  
> if he did
> he'd end up making the whole thing over so he can weld it.
> Thanks
> Mike Deweerd
> TR4 #77
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Aug  4 23:55:56 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 23:55:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6A44D6E5-08B4-41BF-B410-47031DF4ECA0@earthlink.net>

Pardon me... Radius arms, radius bars, torque bars, torque rods,  
traction bars - whatever you want to call them.
 From Kas' '65 Competition Prep Manual -" The rear torque bars are an  
absolute MUST for a competition machine".

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM.
On Aug 4, 2010, at 9:19 PM, Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote:

> As I relayed before Mike - RADIUS ARMS!
>
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
> On Aug 4, 2010, at 8:24 PM, MIKE DEWEERD wrote:
>
>> Hello List
>> Thank you for ALL the advice so far.  This is where I'm at.
>>
>> I've
>>   -installed new front competetion springs and GAZ shocks  
>> (adjustable) from
>> TSI
>>   -installed solid rear spring bushings (poly)
>>   -set tire pressures at 23 cold 26 hot  This is where I ran last  
>> 3 races
>> seemed good
>>   -car will be in frame shop early next week to check frame
>> square/straightness etc.
>>   -car will get 4 wheel alignment and 1.75 neg if possible with me in
>> car.(early tr4)
>>   -rear springs were found to be of different arch so re-arched them
>>   - front swaybar 3/4 dia (unknown origon) set to zero
>>   - corner weights wil be measured with driver.
>>
>> That's it for now, it's a lot of changes at once so I'll never  
>> know which one
>> did the most but this will be my base line to go forward on.
>> A brake Bias and new dual master cylinders this winter perhaps a  
>> LSD diff
>> (budget pending)
>>
>> It's sometimes a real pain not knowing what previous owners have  
>> done or tried
>> to do to the car in years gone by, I urge all racers to document  
>> all changes
>> and improvements to thier cars for future buyer/owners .....and  
>> just so that
>> you remember too.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mike Deweerd TR4 #77
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Aug  5 08:08:57 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:08:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HEADER for a TR4
In-Reply-To: <6438.33057.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <6438.33057.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000b01cb34a7$c1ca1420$455e3c60$@com>

We purchased a header from Ted Schmacher (TS Imported Automotive) in
February or 2009 for $210.  Ted was able to have his supplier provide a 1/2
inch flange so that the header flange and intake manifold flange were the
same thickness such that the clamps would work properly.  I had to do a
little modifying with a die grinder and carbide bit to fit it up.  We're
very pleased with the header and would recommend it.

Tim Murphy
1961 TR4 #317

P.S. One advantage to essentially building the race car from scratch is
knowing exactly what was done to everything. I documented just about
everything we did, including making an electrical schematic of the wiring I
did, and have continued on the things we have done since finishing it.  I've
kept a "big book" of all of our documentation.  My memory is pretty good, it
just seems to be getting shorter:)

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MIKE DEWEERD
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 9:34 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] HEADER for a TR4

And just when you think you're getting ahead, ,,,,
 
I was putting in the new springs and noticed the header wrap was hanging
loose
so I cut it off, an hour or so later when I was finishing up the shocks I
noticed a crack in the header (where I cut the wrap off earlier) so I pulled
the header off unwrapped it completely and found most of the number 2 tube
missing along the bottom (rotted)
Ted (TSI) has found me one across the pond but it's a bit pricey, Stahl
seems
to have a nice one but it's also a bit steep.  Anyone know of a header for
sale anywhere???
my muffler guy doesn't have a die with that tight a radius and even if he
did
he'd end up making the whole thing over so he can weld it.
Thanks
Mike Deweerd
TR4 #77
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Aug  5 08:14:25 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:14:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>

FWIW  One thing that Uncle Jack told me about radius rods is that the pivot
points have to be such that the rods are parallel to the axle such that they
don't pull or push on the axle when it moves up and down.  Probably not as
easy as it sounds to achieve.  They were on our car when we got it and Jack
said he had tried them on his car and found they really didn't help that
much and were difficult to setup so he took them off.  We never put ours on
when we built the car.

Tim
1961 TR4 #317

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:20 PM
To: MIKE DEWEERD
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering

As I relayed before Mike - RADIUS ARMS!

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Aug 4, 2010, at 8:24 PM, MIKE DEWEERD wrote:

> Hello List
> Thank you for ALL the advice so far.  This is where I'm at.
>
> I've
>   -installed new front competetion springs and GAZ shocks  
> (adjustable) from
> TSI
>   -installed solid rear spring bushings (poly)
>   -set tire pressures at 23 cold 26 hot  This is where I ran last 3  
> races
> seemed good
>   -car will be in frame shop early next week to check frame
> square/straightness etc.
>   -car will get 4 wheel alignment and 1.75 neg if possible with me in
> car.(early tr4)
>   -rear springs were found to be of different arch so re-arched them
>   - front swaybar 3/4 dia (unknown origon) set to zero
>   - corner weights wil be measured with driver.
>
> That's it for now, it's a lot of changes at once so I'll never know  
> which one
> did the most but this will be my base line to go forward on.
> A brake Bias and new dual master cylinders this winter perhaps a  
> LSD diff
> (budget pending)
>
> It's sometimes a real pain not knowing what previous owners have  
> done or tried
> to do to the car in years gone by, I urge all racers to document  
> all changes
> and improvements to thier cars for future buyer/owners .....and  
> just so that
> you remember too.
>
> Cheers
> Mike Deweerd TR4 #77
>
>
>
>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Aug  5 08:42:15 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 16:42:15 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
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If the radius arm is something like a Panhard rod or a Watts link then it
seems that most of the European racers don't use them.

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Tim Murphy
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. August 2010 16:14
An: 'Greg "Lunker" Hilyer'; 'MIKE DEWEERD'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering

FWIW  One thing that Uncle Jack told me about radius rods is that the pivot
points have to be such that the rods are parallel to the axle such that they
don't pull or push on the axle when it moves up and down.  Probably not as
easy as it sounds to achieve.  They were on our car when we got it and Jack
said he had tried them on his car and found they really didn't help that
much and were difficult to setup so he took them off.  We never put ours on
when we built the car.

Tim
1961 TR4 #317

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:20 PM
To: MIKE DEWEERD
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering

As I relayed before Mike - RADIUS ARMS!

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Aug 4, 2010, at 8:24 PM, MIKE DEWEERD wrote:

> Hello List
> Thank you for ALL the advice so far.  This is where I'm at.
>
> I've
>   -installed new front competetion springs and GAZ shocks
> (adjustable) from
> TSI
>   -installed solid rear spring bushings (poly)
>   -set tire pressures at 23 cold 26 hot  This is where I ran last 3
> races
> seemed good
>   -car will be in frame shop early next week to check frame
> square/straightness etc.
>   -car will get 4 wheel alignment and 1.75 neg if possible with me in
> car.(early tr4)
>   -rear springs were found to be of different arch so re-arched them
>   - front swaybar 3/4 dia (unknown origon) set to zero
>   - corner weights wil be measured with driver.
>
> That's it for now, it's a lot of changes at once so I'll never know
> which one
> did the most but this will be my base line to go forward on.
> A brake Bias and new dual master cylinders this winter perhaps a
> LSD diff
> (budget pending)
>
> It's sometimes a real pain not knowing what previous owners have
> done or tried
> to do to the car in years gone by, I urge all racers to document
> all changes
> and improvements to thier cars for future buyer/owners .....and
> just so that
> you remember too.
>
> Cheers
> Mike Deweerd TR4 #77
>
>
>
>
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>
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From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  5 08:58:34 2010
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (T Thompson)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 07:58:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] HEADER for a TR4
In-Reply-To: <6438.33057.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <6438.33057.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <564650.12326.qm@web65707.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

When I bought my TR4, it had the fiberglass header wrap on it.  A neighbor who
races RMVR saw it and said I should take it off. He races a 70 Cuda, and said
he 
had melted a set of expensive headers with the wrap.  I figured a Cuda
with over 
500 horses must generate a lot more heat than this little tractor
motor, so I 
continued on.

Late one afternoon, my son and I were working on
the car and he pointed me to a 
glowing red section above the collector.  It
actually looked like it could have 
melted any minute.  We removed the wrap
and the glow went away, and then as a 
surprise, the boys removed the header
and had it ceramic coated by a shop up 
near Denver as a Christmas present.  I
think it cost them about $150 bucks to 
get it done.  The old header looks
pretty good and it is coated inside and out.  
It really seems to keep
the keep the heat out of the engine compartment.

Anyway, food for thought for
those of you using the wrap.

Ty

'63 TR4 #413


 
________________________________
From: MIKE DEWEERD <deweerdm at rogers.com>
To:
fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, August 4, 2010 8:34:04 PM
Subject: [Fot] HEADER
for a TR4

And just when you think you're getting ahead, ,,,,

I was putting
in the new springs and noticed the header wrap was hanging loose
so I cut it
off, an hour or so later when I was finishing up the shocks I
noticed a crack
in the header (where I cut the wrap off earlier) so I pulled
the header off
unwrapped it completely and found most of the number 2 tube
missing along the
bottom (rotted)
Ted (TSI) has found me one across the pond but it's a bit
pricey, Stahl seems
to have a nice one but it's also a bit steep.  Anyone know
of a header for
sale anywhere???
my muffler guy doesn't have a die with that
tight a radius and even if he did
he'd end up making the whole thing over so
he can weld it.
Thanks
Mike Deweerd
TR4 #77
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From kaskas at cox.net  Thu Aug  5 09:24:28 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 8:24:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] HEADER for a TR4
In-Reply-To: <564650.12326.qm@web65707.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100805112428.YALPD.32464.imail@fed1rmwml29>

The problem with wrap on a header is that it traps the moisture and that rusts the material.  Stainless will work okay.
---- T Thompson <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com> wrote: 

=============
When I bought my TR4, it had the fiberglass header wrap on it.  A neighbor who
races RMVR saw it and said I should take it off. He races a 70 Cuda, and said
he 
had melted a set of expensive headers with the wrap.  I figured a Cuda
with over 
500 horses must generate a lot more heat than this little tractor
motor, so I 
continued on.

Late one afternoon, my son and I were working on
the car and he pointed me to a 
glowing red section above the collector.  It
actually looked like it could have 
melted any minute.  We removed the wrap
and the glow went away, and then as a 
surprise, the boys removed the header
and had it ceramic coated by a shop up 
near Denver as a Christmas present.  I
think it cost them about $150 bucks to 
get it done.  The old header looks
pretty good and it is coated inside and out.  
It really seems to keep
the keep the heat out of the engine compartment.

Anyway, food for thought for
those of you using the wrap.

Ty

'63 TR4 #413


 
________________________________
From: MIKE DEWEERD <deweerdm at rogers.com>
To:
fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, August 4, 2010 8:34:04 PM
Subject: [Fot] HEADER
for a TR4

And just when you think you're getting ahead, ,,,,

I was putting
in the new springs and noticed the header wrap was hanging loose
so I cut it
off, an hour or so later when I was finishing up the shocks I
noticed a crack
in the header (where I cut the wrap off earlier) so I pulled
the header off
unwrapped it completely and found most of the number 2 tube
missing along the
bottom (rotted)
Ted (TSI) has found me one across the pond but it's a bit
pricey, Stahl seems
to have a nice one but it's also a bit steep.  Anyone know
of a header for
sale anywhere???
my muffler guy doesn't have a die with that
tight a radius and even if he did
he'd end up making the whole thing over so
he can weld it.
Thanks
Mike Deweerd
TR4 #77
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From billb at bnj.com  Thu Aug  5 10:44:30 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:44:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
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References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
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No, radius rods keep the axle from shifting forward and back on the springs,
panhard bars prevent lateral movement. The purpose of radius rods and panhard
bars is to provide a stable platform to optimize the suspension and steering
from. By themselves they do very little for handling with a car as far from
good racing suspension design as a TR3/4. But if you get everything else right
they become critical. When the radius rods on Peyote break or get otherwise
disconnected the car handles like crap.

There is no recipe for suspension that will make a TR handle as there is for
modern cars which generally don't have fundamental design flaws. The cheapest
econobox has a rigid platform, no bump steer, camber and camber gain that is
optimized for the recommended tires, no spring tramping, and a precisely
designed amount of understeer to keep Mom out of trouble. If you want to race
one of those cars you buy the parts package that EVERYONE knows works, install
it properly, bolt in a roll cage and you're set to spend some real money
moving from the back to the front. But your car will handle as well as it can
for the given platform.

Our cars are not so simple and the recipe and results depends on the chef. The
way these conversations progress, talking about individual elements instead of
a package, is a clear indication that it's art rather than engineering. If you
wanted to take a more engineering approach you'd get the platform stable
first, then apply core engineering principles to make the car steer and handle
at high speed. The art approach works just fine, but focusing on blueberries
doesn't yield a fine pie.

On Aug 5, 2010, at 7:42 AM, MadMarx wrote:

> If the radius arm is something like a Panhard rod or a Watts link then it
> seems that most of the European racers don't use them.
>
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Tim Murphy
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. August 2010 16:14
> An: 'Greg "Lunker" Hilyer'; 'MIKE DEWEERD'
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering
>
> FWIW  One thing that Uncle Jack told me about radius rods is that the pivot
> points have to be such that the rods are parallel to the axle such that
they
> don't pull or push on the axle when it moves up and down.  Probably not as
> easy as it sounds to achieve.  They were on our car when we got it and Jack
> said he had tried them on his car and found they really didn't help that
> much and were difficult to setup so he took them off.  We never put ours on
> when we built the car.
>
> Tim

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Thu Aug  5 10:58:02 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:58:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Header Wrap
Message-ID: <477E083A-F8E3-4A08-AB0D-51A8B09EDCC6@earthlink.net>

Here's an interesting FAQ from Stahl Headers about header wrap.

http://www.stahlheaders.com/faq.htm#wrap

~Steve

From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Thu Aug  5 12:18:01 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 13:18:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087B936A3F@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Does anyone have any experience with the cometic head gaskets being sold on
Ebay?

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141 Office
512-657-8526 Cell

Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Aug  5 14:58:26 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 22:58:26 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <36BF4D5B-A69A-4CCC-A8B5-81E8CAE673C4@bnj.com>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
	<000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>
	<002101cb34ac$6753b730$35fb2590$@com>
	<36BF4D5B-A69A-4CCC-A8B5-81E8CAE673C4@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <000f01cb34e0$f49f4b70$dddde250$@com>

I really have fear to rise the cornering speed more.
With the new datalogger tool I found out that the normal cornering forces
are up to 1.5G and in excess 1.9G.
The 5 degree camber is responsible for that (and give the car a dirty look
like a showboat).
But at the moment I'm really happy with my setup and how sensible the car
react on changes to the setup like stiffening the swaybars or soften them.
Tire pressure.
The most gain brought to remove all rubber out of the front suspension and
replaced it all with Deldrin bushings.

As you can see even on a bumpy track like the Nordschleife I have not much
to do at the steering (maybe I'm going too slow?)

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. August 2010 18:45
An: MadMarx
Cc: 'Tim Murphy'; 'Greg "Lunker" Hilyer'; 'MIKE DEWEERD'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering

No, radius rods keep the axle from shifting forward and back on the springs,
panhard bars prevent lateral movement. The purpose of radius rods and
panhard bars is to provide a stable platform to optimize the suspension and
steering from. By themselves they do very little for handling with a car as
far from good racing suspension design as a TR3/4. But if you get everything
else right they become critical. When the radius rods on Peyote break or get
otherwise disconnected the car handles like crap.

There is no recipe for suspension that will make a TR handle as there is for
modern cars which generally don't have fundamental design flaws. The
cheapest econobox has a rigid platform, no bump steer, camber and camber
gain that is optimized for the recommended tires, no spring tramping, and a
precisely designed amount of understeer to keep Mom out of trouble. If you
want to race one of those cars you buy the parts package that EVERYONE knows
works, install it properly, bolt in a roll cage and you're set to spend some
real money moving from the back to the front. But your car will handle as
well as it can for the given platform.

Our cars are not so simple and the recipe and results depends on the chef.
The way these conversations progress, talking about individual elements
instead of a package, is a clear indication that it's art rather than
engineering. If you wanted to take a more engineering approach you'd get the
platform stable first, then apply core engineering principles to make the
car steer and handle at high speed. The art approach works just fine, but
focusing on blueberries doesn't yield a fine pie.

On Aug 5, 2010, at 7:42 AM, MadMarx wrote:

> If the radius arm is something like a Panhard rod or a Watts link then it
> seems that most of the European racers don't use them.
>
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Tim Murphy
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. August 2010 16:14
> An: 'Greg "Lunker" Hilyer'; 'MIKE DEWEERD'
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering
>
> FWIW  One thing that Uncle Jack told me about radius rods is that the
pivot
> points have to be such that the rods are parallel to the axle such that
they
> don't pull or push on the axle when it moves up and down.  Probably not as
> easy as it sounds to achieve.  They were on our car when we got it and
Jack
> said he had tried them on his car and found they really didn't help that
> much and were difficult to setup so he took them off.  We never put ours
on
> when we built the car.
>
> Tim

From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Thu Aug  5 15:53:08 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 17:53:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087B936A3F@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
References: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087B936A3F@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <4C5B32C4.4060509@blacksburg.net>

On 8/5/2010 2:18 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience with the cometic head gaskets being sold on
> Ebay?
>
>    
Bob, I didn't see any Cometic gaskets for TRs on ebay, but that said, 
I've had excellent results with their 89mm gaskets for my TR4.

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Aug  5 17:15:00 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 16:15:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <4C5B32C4.4060509@blacksburg.net>
References: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087B936A3F@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
	<4C5B32C4.4060509@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <007801cb34f4$079d6050$16d820f0$@rr.com>

Here's one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=270608409712

But the price is basically the same as Summit, et al, and the photo is
clearly of some other gasket.  Might save a few bucks on shipping, IF he
sends the right gasket instead of the one in the photo.

-- Randall 

From cartravel at pobox.com  Thu Aug  5 17:28:17 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 18:28:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
	<000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>
Message-ID: <4C5B4911.9020400@pobox.com>

When I got my TR3 it handled like crap.  I didn't know if the problem 
was my lack of talent or the car's suspension.  I knew next to nothing 
about suspension, so I read through all the FoT archives.  I also found 
the Puhn book to be very helpful.  I also played with a suspension 
analysis program.

Many with a TR3 or TR4 with solid axle have found they like an almost 
stock rear and very stiff front, such as:
1. stiff front springs, many use 450 lb/in MGBGT springs
2. 1 inch anti-sway bar in front
3. 2 1/2 degrees negative camber seems to be about right for Hoosier 
Speedster, 1 1/2 degree for Vintage TD.  This can be achieved by 
shortening the up A arms.
4. toe in should be 0 to 1/16 inch
5. eliminate bumpsteer by raising or lowering the steering rack (TR4) or 
by heating and bending the steering levers (TR3)
6. lower the front by shortening the donuts or by using shorter springs
7. lower the rear by dearching the rear springs or by using lowering blocks.
8. the rear should be basically stock, but the BFE rear spring locator 
kit may help
9. hard bushings are also a good idea.
This should give a pretty good starting point.  You can tweak from 
there.  I followed this recipe and it completely transformed the car.  I 
never did get to the tweaking phase.

You can find a lot of discussions of suspension in the archives.  I 
especially like the discussion where Jack Drews said they had all this 
neat "stuff" on their suspension and with each piece they took off, 
their laps times got faster.

Larry Young

From mdporter at dfn.com  Thu Aug  5 17:47:04 2010
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 17:47:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <002101cb34ac$6753b730$35fb2590$@com>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
	<000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>
	<002101cb34ac$6753b730$35fb2590$@com>
Message-ID: <4C5B4D78.5020701@dfn.com>

MadMarx wrote:
> If the radius arm is something like a Panhard rod or a Watts link then it
> seems that most of the European racers don't use them.
>
>   
Probably some confusion with terminology has been introduced.  Ladder 
bars are typically used with leaf spring live axles in order to prevent 
rotation of the axle housing and spring wrap-up under power.  Lateral 
radius rods (or Panhard rod) or a Watts link are used to maintain 
lateral axle location of live axles sprung with coil springs, and should 
be unnecessary with properly installed leaf springs.   In theory, 
longitudinal radius rods (as with a 3- or 4-bar arrangement) can be used 
with either leaf or coil springs to prevent rotation of the axle housing 
under power and braking.


FWIW.  That's the way I've always understood the functions of those items.


Cheers.

-- 


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Roswell, NM


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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Aug  5 18:00:07 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 20:00:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering now....... Rear Shackle Kit available
In-Reply-To: <4C5B4911.9020400@pobox.com>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com><72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net><000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>
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Larry,

This summary is familiar territory to me.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---

I just made up another 10 kits of the the rear shackle hard bushings with
Delrin side washers, if anyone is interested.

They make sense, work well, easy to install, and are seen in one of Kas'
books.

Sold by Moss and TRF, too,

Special pricing to FOT, of course.

Joe A






-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
To: 'MIKE DEWEERD' <deweerdm at rogers.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Aug 5, 2010 6:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering


When I got my TR3 it handled like crap. I didn't know if the problem was my
lack of talent or the car's suspension. I knew next to nothing about
suspension, so I read through all the FoT archives. I also found the Puhn book
to be very helpful. I also played with a suspension analysis program.

Many with a TR3 or TR4 with solid axle have found they like an almost stock
rear and very stiff front, such as:
1. stiff front springs, many use 450 lb/in MGBGT springs
2. 1 inch anti-sway bar in front
3. 2 1/2 degrees negative camber seems to be about right for Hoosier
Speedster, 1 1/2 degree for Vintage TD. This can be achieved by shortening the
up A arms.
4. toe in should be 0 to 1/16 inch
5. eliminate bumpsteer by raising or lowering the steering rack (TR4) or by
heating and bending the steering levers (TR3)
6. lower the front by shortening the donuts or by using shorter springs
7. lower the rear by dearching the rear springs or by using lowering blocks.
8. the rear should be basically stock, but the BFE rear spring locator kit may
help
9. hard bushings are also a good idea.
This should give a pretty good starting point. You can tweak from there. I
followed this recipe and it completely transformed the car. I never did get to
the tweaking phase.

You can find a lot of discussions of suspension in the archives. I especially
like the discussion where Jack Drews said they had all this neat "stuff" on
their suspension and with each piece they took off, their laps times got
faster.

Larry Young
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Aug  5 18:09:27 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 20:09:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6   RACERS/DRIVERS  only.....  delete otherwise.
Message-ID: <8CD0312C4F4624E-4E04-67E6@Webmail-d109.sysops.aol.com>

FOT,

My son sent an order through for 25 GT6 rear plates instead of for the TR6.

I'd like to reduce the inventory on these. I really hadnt planned to run
anymore as they are slow moving.

Killer price on the first five to get shed of a few.

Thanks,

Joe

From jaboruch at netzero.com  Thu Aug  5 19:21:02 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 01:21:02 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Header Wrap
Message-ID: <20100805.212102.358.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com>

When I first started racing my TR3, I put header wrap on the old headers and
after a few races the headers fell apart.  Bought stainless headers from BFE
and had them coated by Airborne coatings.  That was over 10 years ago.
Joe(B)

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To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Header Wrap
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:58:02 -0700

Here's an interesting FAQ from Stahl Headers about header wrap.

http://www.stahlheaders.com/faq.htm#wrap

~Steve
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Thu Aug  5 19:43:20 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 21:43:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering now....... Rear Shackle Kit available
In-Reply-To: <8CD031176DDEFD6-4E04-66AF@Webmail-d109.sysops.aol.com>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com><72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net><000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>
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On 8/5/2010 8:00 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> Larry,
>
> This summary is familiar territory to me.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
>
> I just made up another 10 kits of the the rear shackle hard bushings with
> Delrin side washers, if anyone is interested.
>
> They make sense, work well, easy to install, and are seen in one of Kas'
> books.
>
> Sold by Moss and TRF, too,
>
> Special pricing to FOT, of course.
>
> Joe A
>
>    
I can attest that Joe's kit transformed how my TR4 handles.

jim

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Blacksburg VA
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99% finished, 90% to go

From jaboruch at netzero.com  Thu Aug  5 19:47:31 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 01:47:31 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
Message-ID: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>

I was not aware that Cometic had one for the TR4, this is great news!  Their
web site only shows it as 88mm.  Anyone know if this has the relief to match
grinding the top of the cylinder liner for intake valve flow?   Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
To: "Kramer, Robert" <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>
Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 17:53:08 -0400

On 8/5/2010 2:18 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience with the cometic head gaskets being sold on
> Ebay?
>
>
Bob, I didn't see any Cometic gaskets for TRs on ebay, but that said,
I've had excellent results with their 89mm gaskets for my TR4.

jim

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From kaskas at cox.net  Thu Aug  5 21:31:39 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 20:31:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <4C5B4D78.5020701@dfn.com>
Message-ID: <20100805233139.FVTTE.327735.imail@fed1rmwml31>

The traction bars were great for standing starts but not of much help in normal racing in these more modern flying start races.
---- Michael Porter <mdporter at dfn.com> wrote: 

=============
MadMarx wrote:
> If the radius arm is something like a Panhard rod or a Watts link then it
> seems that most of the European racers don't use them.
>
>   
Probably some confusion with terminology has been introduced.  Ladder 
bars are typically used with leaf spring live axles in order to prevent 
rotation of the axle housing and spring wrap-up under power.  Lateral 
radius rods (or Panhard rod) or a Watts link are used to maintain 
lateral axle location of live axles sprung with coil springs, and should 
be unnecessary with properly installed leaf springs.   In theory, 
longitudinal radius rods (as with a 3- or 4-bar arrangement) can be used 
with either leaf or coil springs to prevent rotation of the axle housing 
under power and braking.


FWIW.  That's the way I've always understood the functions of those items.


Cheers.

-- 


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Roswell, NM


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From billb at bnj.com  Thu Aug  5 23:20:22 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 22:20:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <4C5B4D78.5020701@dfn.com>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
	<000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>
	<002101cb34ac$6753b730$35fb2590$@com> <4C5B4D78.5020701@dfn.com>
Message-ID: <3EB533C9-06A5-4FE4-8AC2-84FCFAF62F57@bnj.com>

yup.
On Aug 5, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Michael Porter wrote:

> MadMarx wrote:
>> If the radius arm is something like a Panhard rod or a Watts link then it
>> seems that most of the European racers don't use them.
>>
>>
> Probably some confusion with terminology has been introduced.  Ladder bars
are typically used with leaf spring live axles in order to prevent rotation of
the axle housing and spring wrap-up under power.  Lateral radius rods (or
Panhard rod) or a Watts link are used to maintain lateral axle location of
live axles sprung with coil springs, and should be unnecessary with properly
installed leaf springs.   In theory, longitudinal radius rods (as with a 3- or
4-bar arrangement) can be used with either leaf or coil springs to prevent
rotation of the axle housing under power and braking.
>
>
> FWIW.  That's the way I've always understood the functions of those items.
>
>
> Cheers.
>
> --
>
>
> Michael Porter
> Roswell, NM
>
>
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distance....
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Fri Aug  6 05:34:23 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 07:34:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>

On 8/5/2010 9:47 PM, Joe Boruch wrote:
> I was not aware that Cometic had one for the TR4, this is great news!  Their web site only shows it as 88mm.  Anyone know if this has the relief to match grinding the top of the cylinder liner for intake valve flow?   Joe(B)
>    
They'll make a gasket for whatever bore you request.  I have 89mm 
sleeves, so they made an 89mm gasket, same price as a stock gasket, 
IIRC.  The gasket does not have the relief tho.

jim

-- 
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Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Aug  6 06:00:47 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 14:00:47 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
	<4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>

What material is the gasket made from?

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von J.C. Hassall
Gesendet: Freitag, 6. August 2010 13:34
An: Joe Boruch
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket

On 8/5/2010 9:47 PM, Joe Boruch wrote:
> I was not aware that Cometic had one for the TR4, this is great news!
Their web site only shows it as 88mm.  Anyone know if this has the relief to
match grinding the top of the cylinder liner for intake valve flow?   Joe(B)
>
They'll make a gasket for whatever bore you request.  I have 89mm
sleeves, so they made an 89mm gasket, same price as a stock gasket,
IIRC.  The gasket does not have the relief tho.

jim

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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Fri Aug  6 10:10:21 2010
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 16:10:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>
Message-ID: <1399800774.966725.1281111021623.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Chris: 


Here's their website: 


http://www.cometic.com/default.aspx 


Gary 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
To: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.com> 
Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
Sent: Friday, August 6, 2010 5:00:47 AM 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket 

What material is the gasket made from? 

Chris 

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Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im 
Auftrag von J.C. Hassall 
Gesendet: Freitag, 6. August 2010 13:34 
An: Joe Boruch 
Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket 

On 8/5/2010 9:47 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: 
> I was not aware that Cometic had one for the TR4, this is great news! 
Their web site only shows it as 88mm. Anyone know if this has the relief to 
match grinding the top of the cylinder liner for intake valve flow? Joe(B) 
> 
They'll make a gasket for whatever bore you request. I have 89mm 
sleeves, so they made an 89mm gasket, same price as a stock gasket, 
IIRC. The gasket does not have the relief tho. 

jim 

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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Fri Aug  6 10:33:58 2010
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 16:33:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Riverside Races Footage - 1960s
Message-ID: <1978283923.968203.1281112438383.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Link to good film footage of racing at Riverside in the 1960's. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819aVZwnt3o 


Gary 

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Fri Aug  6 11:27:19 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 10:27:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Riverside Races Footage - 1960s
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Great footage but what's up with the sleepy-time music?

~Steve


On Aug 6, 2010, at 9:33 AM, vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote:

Link to good film footage of racing at Riverside in the 1960's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819aVZwnt3o


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From igofaster at att.net  Fri Aug  6 14:51:16 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 13:51:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] GT6   RACERS/DRIVERS  only.....  delete otherwise.
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I'll buy one for the GT6... yeah, I get it, we're slow movers...   : )




________________________________
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To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, August 5, 2010 7:09:27 PM
Subject: [Fot] GT6   RACERS/DRIVERS  only.....  delete otherwise.

FOT,

My son sent an order through for 25 GT6 rear plates instead of for the TR6.

I'd like to reduce the inventory on these. I really hadnt planned to run
anymore as they are slow moving.

Killer price on the first five to get shed of a few.

Thanks,

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From igofaster at att.net  Fri Aug  6 15:33:09 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 14:33:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Riverside Races Footage - 1960s
In-Reply-To: <DF076B2B-F067-4B78-8DFA-AEF8933EDE33@earthlink.net>
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	<DF076B2B-F067-4B78-8DFA-AEF8933EDE33@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <722170.42913.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

dang.. that one roll over is scary... That's why you roadster guys wear arm 
restraints!  Bobby Whitehead GT6 Coupe'.




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To: vintage.racer at comcast.net
Cc: Friends of Triumph <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 12:27:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Riverside Races Footage - 1960s

Great footage but what's up with the sleepy-time music?

~Steve


On Aug 6, 2010, at 9:33 AM, vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote:

Link to good film footage of racing at Riverside in the 1960's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819aVZwnt3o


Gary
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From kaskas at cox.net  Fri Aug  6 16:24:35 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 15:24:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Riverside Races Footage - 1960s
In-Reply-To: <1978283923.968203.1281112438383.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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In the very beginning start you will see my car with Charlie Gates up in a white TR-4 #47. Saw lots of people I knew in those days.  good stuff.
---- vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote: 

=============
Link to good film footage of racing at Riverside in the 1960's. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819aVZwnt3o 


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From whitedog72 at hotmail.com  Fri Aug  6 21:04:09 2010
From: whitedog72 at hotmail.com (f s)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 20:04:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
Message-ID: <BAY138-W19180B570EF497E2C8C423C1920@phx.gbl>

Need some advice,

 I just put an engine together. 100% new seals and gaskets. Everything is
great accept the rear main seal is leaking alot. I have put alot of these
together and never had this problem before. I have taken it back apart and it
looks centered and no damage. I also made sure the all the bolts were good and
that areas that needed copper flat washers were correct. Any ideas from the
group? I am baffled and have a big mess. ;o(

Thanks

From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Sat Aug  7 07:48:46 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 08:48:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
Message-ID: <000001cb3637$435fe3d0$ca1fab70$@com>

We just contacted Woodman Tire to order some Hoosier Speedsters to pick up
at the Kastner Cup at Heartland Park and Woodman said they will not be there
due to lack of orders and low number of entrants.

 

Tim

1961 TR4 #317

From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sat Aug  7 09:11:38 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 11:11:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
	<4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
	<000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>
Message-ID: <4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net>

On 8/6/2010 8:00 AM, MadMarx wrote:
> What material is the gasket made from?
>
> Chris
>
>    
Chris, I don't have my build log handy and don't remember the material.  
The Cometic part number is H0793SP4043F.  Hoefentlich dass ist Hilfe.

jim
> On 8/5/2010 9:47 PM, Joe Boruch wrote:
>    
>> I was not aware that Cometic had one for the TR4, this is great news!
>>      
> Their web site only shows it as 88mm.  Anyone know if this has the relief to
> match grinding the top of the cylinder liner for intake valve flow?   Joe(B)
>    
>>
>>      
> They'll make a gasket for whatever bore you request.  I have 89mm
> sleeves, so they made an 89mm gasket, same price as a stock gasket,
> IIRC.  The gasket does not have the relief tho.
>
> jim
>
>    


-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go

From bswope959 at msn.com  Sat Aug  7 10:17:48 2010
From: bswope959 at msn.com (Bill Swope)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 10:17:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
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Does any one know what the entry count is?
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  Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park


  We just contacted Woodman Tire to order some Hoosier Speedsters to pick up
  at the Kastner Cup at Heartland Park and Woodman said they will not be
there
  due to lack of orders and low number of entrants.



  Tim

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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Aug  7 11:23:41 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 13:23:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
In-Reply-To: <SNT122-DS32B41D62E9219E2FB7680EC920@phx.gbl>
References: <000001cb3637$435fe3d0$ca1fab70$@com>
	<SNT122-DS32B41D62E9219E2FB7680EC920@phx.gbl>
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Bill, and FOT,

We are still expecting 25, if not more, FOT.

I cant speak to the general entries, as there may be a lot of last minute
entries that I dont know about.

We will have quite a large field when the Triumphs are combined in the regular
group and a very nice Kastner Cup field.

We ARE the show at Topeka......no stock cars, plenty of track time, and lot's
of entertainment and hospitality.

I am sure that the primary organizers are disappointed at the response of this
inaugural event, but the quality is sure to be there.

Joe Alexander






-----Original Message-----
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<timmurph at fastbytes.com>
Sent: Sat, Aug 7, 2010 11:17 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park


Does any one know what the entry count is?
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 Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park

 We just contacted Woodman Tire to order some Hoosier Speedsters to pick up
 at the Kastner Cup at Heartland Park and Woodman said they will not be
here
 due to lack of orders and low number of entrants.

  Tim
  1961 TR4 #317
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Aug  7 13:25:46 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 14:25:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
References: <000001cb3637$435fe3d0$ca1fab70$@com><SNT122-DS32B41D62E9219E2FB7680EC920@phx.gbl>
	<8CD046C6A7DEA5A-1304-13B3E@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com>
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Gary and Bill have put an awful lot of work into this event and landed a 
pretty nice sponsor in O'Reilly's. The first event of any kind is always a 
crap shoot, but like Joe says, the Triumph guys have it made. When I started 
racing back in 1996 CVAR had an August date at Texas World Speedway. Boy was 
it hot in the sun, but we all made sure we had shadein the paddock. The 
drivers had the coolest time, crusing around at speed. If it is the heat in 
Topeka that is keeping you away don't let it. Just remember to come late to 
the grid (he-he) or bring an umbrella, drink lot's of Ozarka and drive fast. 
You'll be fine. It's not too late to make the decision to come. I hope 
everyone that can cake it comes.

You know, with the new F-1 track being built here in Austin, an FOT event at 
that world-class facility is an opportunity for the future. I think the 
track owners will want well run  vintage festival on their calendar. Maybe 
this could be in HVR's future as CVAR doesn't do spectator events.

Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
excellence.
Vince Lombardi
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Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park


> Bill, and FOT,
>
> We are still expecting 25, if not more, FOT.
>
> I cant speak to the general entries, as there may be a lot of last minute
> entries that I dont know about.
>
> We will have quite a large field when the Triumphs are combined in the 
> regular
> group and a very nice Kastner Cup field.
>
> We ARE the show at Topeka......no stock cars, plenty of track time, and 
> lot's
> of entertainment and hospitality.
>
> I am sure that the primary organizers are disappointed at the response of 
> this
> inaugural event, but the quality is sure to be there.
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Swope <bswope959 at msn.com>
> To: GSFuqua1 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net; brinke at cebridge.net; Tim Murphy
> <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
> Sent: Sat, Aug 7, 2010 11:17 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
>
>
> Does any one know what the entry count is?
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: GSFuqua1 at aol.com<mailto:GSFuqua1 at aol.com> ;
> ot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net> ;
> rinke at cebridge.net<mailto:brinke at cebridge.net>
> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 7:48 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
>
> We just contacted Woodman Tire to order some Hoosier Speedsters to pick up
> at the Kastner Cup at Heartland Park and Woodman said they will not be
> here
> due to lack of orders and low number of entrants.
>
>  Tim
>  1961 TR4 #317
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sat Aug  7 14:00:45 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 16:00:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
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	<4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
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On 8/7/2010 11:11 AM, J.C. Hassall wrote:
> On 8/6/2010 8:00 AM, MadMarx wrote:
>    
>> What material is the gasket made from?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>      
> Chris, I don't have my build log handy and don't remember the material.
> The Cometic part number is H0793SP4043F.  Hoefentlich dass ist Hilfe.
>
> jim
>    
Chris, the material is 0.043" thick, a composite of metal (steel?) 
between two layers of some polymer.

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go

From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Aug  7 14:12:41 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 15:12:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
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Hmm.  I wonder when they were going to tell me about that?  I told 
them to reserve a set of 4 for mounting on Thursday.  That would have 
ruined my weekend to not get tires!

- Tony Drews


>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Tim Murphy<mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com>
>>To: GSFuqua1 at aol.com<mailto:GSFuqua1 at aol.com> ;
>>ot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net> ;
>>rinke at cebridge.net<mailto:brinke at cebridge.net>
>>Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 7:48 AM
>>Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
>>
>>We just contacted Woodman Tire to order some Hoosier Speedsters to pick up
>>at the Kastner Cup at Heartland Park and Woodman said they will not be
>>here
>>due to lack of orders and low number of entrants.
>>
>>  Tim
>>  1961 TR4 #317

From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Sat Aug  7 16:34:03 2010
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 18:34:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Riverside Races Footage - 1960s
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Arm restraints just went on next races check list. I know they need to 
shorter     rob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bobby Whitehead" <igofaster at att.net>
To: "FoT Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Riverside Races Footage - 1960s


> dang.. that one roll over is scary... That's why you roadster guys wear 
> arm
> restraints!  Bobby Whitehead GT6 Coupe'.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
> To: vintage.racer at comcast.net
> Cc: Friends of Triumph <FOT at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 12:27:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Riverside Races Footage - 1960s
>
> Great footage but what's up with the sleepy-time music?
>
> ~Steve
>
>
> On Aug 6, 2010, at 9:33 AM, vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote:
>
> Link to good film footage of racing at Riverside in the 1960's.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819aVZwnt3o
>
>
> Gary
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From susank at 141.com  Sat Aug  7 16:58:50 2010
From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 18:58:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Interesting tire development
Message-ID: <4C5DE52A.3080505@141.com>

Hey gang,

I just got the latest copy of Popular Mechanics and it had an 
interesting little article about a new tire--the Camber Tire from Optima 
Sports. It gives you negative camber all the time, but keeps the tread 
patch squarely on the road. The way they do this is to shorten the inner 
sidewall. The article says the company hopes to have production versions 
in a couple of years.

Interesting approach. I was mulling just the other day over how I didn't 
think there had been any real "revolutions" in the tire industry any 
time recently. Think this will be one?

Here's their website: http://www.cambertire.com/. It's not the best 
quality, but gives a little info. And the "Racer" tab is not clickable 
for me (and it's replaced by "Green" when you scroll down), so no info 
there.   :(

Just FYI!

Keep Triumphing,
Susan     :)

-- 
I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse.

From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat Aug  7 19:34:21 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 21:34:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Interesting tire development
In-Reply-To: <4C5DE52A.3080505@141.com>
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Nothing new really, the original BFG Comp TA R autocross tires did this in the
mid 80s.

Terry Stetler

From susank at 141.com  Sat Aug  7 20:41:42 2010
From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 22:41:42 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Interesting tire development
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat Aug  7 21:18:55 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 23:18:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Interesting tire development
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I have no real idea why this design seems to be a dead end.

It was the flavor of the week in it's day, but in autocross, last years big
thing is this years boat dock bumper.

Personally, and speaking only about vintage cars, I'd be happy if all the
sanctioning bodies made the hardest possible compound Dunlop the only legal
tire for all production cars.

No more silly modern tires masquerading as "vintage" rubber, way less wear and
tear on components that were never designed for the cornering loads that they
are seeing now, lower lap times and greater safety margins, and in the end a
savings for competitors.

But I realize this will never happen.

Terry Stetler

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Aug  7 21:29:18 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 22:29:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Message from Bill Rinke re: Heartland Park status report
Message-ID: <6210FA272EE94B15BE242EC3BB457141@latitudefb1e41>

From: Bill Rinke
To: Bob Kramer ; bswope959 at msn.com ; GSFuqua1 at aol.com ; fot at autox.team.net ;
timmurph at fastbytes.com ; n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park


Bob, we appreciate your kind words.  Yes, this has been a long hard job and we
are now trying to develop a few alternatives that will hopefully prevent us
from going in the hole.  Disappointed?  Very.  We spoke with many drivers in
RMVR, CVAR, VSCDA, SVRA and other VMC organizations prior to initiating this
event and they all said they would support us.  VSCDA Formula Vee drivers said
they would bring 30 Vees to our event.  We attended VMC meetings and those
present said they would support us.  Well, so much for promises.

My emails to FoT don't go through as I am not a member so hope you will
forward this to them.

We really do thank the FoT for the strong support and their turn out at this
event will be remembered for a long time as one of the best Kastner Cup Races
they have driven in.  The bands and the fly over are still on.  The
Cheerleaders car wash is still on.  The pro music group from Houston will be
there and having fun for 4 days will be real easy to do.  Heck, the
temperature throughout the Midwest has been well into the 90's for the past
few weeks so we should all be used to it by now.

Check out our website at www.heartlandvintageracing.com and click on the
Racing button.  There you will now find the current Entry list which does not
include 8 entries that we received today.  Two of those entries were for the
Exhibition Group and none of those were for Triumphs.

I will be speaking with Evan at Bob Woodman Tire Co. on Monday.  During my
last conversation with him he advised he "only" had 8 sets of tires on order
which made it difficult for him to justify bringing a tire truck from Beufort,
SC to Topeka, KS.  I will establish a different tire supplier for our event.
In the meantime, Hoosier tires or other brands may be shipped to Charlie Clark
(shown on the Tire Supplier list under the Racing button) and he can mount
those tires at the track.  Charlie is the Goodyear Tire person and can not
sell brands other than Goodyear but he can service all brands.  Charlie will
have the Goodyear Tire Building open during our event.

Thanks so much for your support.  Yes, this will be a Great Vintage Racing
Extravaganza.

Bill

From billb at bnj.com  Sat Aug  7 23:04:32 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 22:04:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Interesting tire development
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General Racing has done it for years, HMSA too, though they seem less
committed to it. I have a set of Dunlops on mags that we really wouldn't trust
with stickier rubber. They look great. Tony made me buy a new set this year,
though I still think my ten year old set is still fine--they will never wear
out. Like racing on skateboard wheels. I don't like them, and I've had my
worst accidents on Dunlops ( not including getting hit by that Corvette at
Watkins).

On Aug 7, 2010, at 8:18 PM, Terry Stetler wrote:

> I have no real idea why this design seems to be a dead end.
>
> It was the flavor of the week in it's day, but in autocross, last years big
> thing is this years boat dock bumper.
>
> Personally, and speaking only about vintage cars, I'd be happy if all the
> sanctioning bodies made the hardest possible compound Dunlop the only legal
> tire for all production cars.
>
> No more silly modern tires masquerading as "vintage" rubber, way less wear
and
> tear on components that were never designed for the cornering loads that
they
> are seeing now, lower lap times and greater safety margins, and in the end
a
> savings for competitors.
>
> But I realize this will never happen.
>
> Terry Stetler
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Aug  8 03:32:59 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 11:32:59 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <4C5DBB6D.20807@blacksburg.net>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
	<4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
	<000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>
	<4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net> <4C5DBB6D.20807@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <000c01cb36dc$b3862890$1a9279b0$@com>

Thank you Jim for the information.

Quite thick as this thick gasket would need some further grinding of the
head to achieve the compression ratio.

 

Seems that I have to stay with the normal steel head gaskets.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

Von: J.C. Hassall [mailto:jhassall at blacksburg.net] 
Gesendet: Samstag, 7. August 2010 22:01
An: MadMarx
Cc: 'Joe Boruch'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket

 

On 8/7/2010 11:11 AM, J.C. Hassall wrote: 

On 8/6/2010 8:00 AM, MadMarx wrote:
  

What material is the gasket made from?
 
Chris
 
   
    

Chris, I don't have my build log handy and don't remember the material.  
The Cometic part number is H0793SP4043F.  Hoefentlich dass ist Hilfe.
 
jim
  

Chris, the material is 0.043" thick, a composite of metal (steel?) between
two layers of some polymer.

jim



-- 
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Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go

From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Aug  8 22:10:07 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 22:10:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 stepped Weber manifolds
Message-ID: <4C5F7F9F.5030700@bradakis.com>

While digging through the mess in the garage I found a box with
some chunks of aluminum in it.  These chunks are fashioned to be
Weber carb intake manifolds for the Triumph GT6.  This set is
the TriumphTune ( SAH ) 1101 style, where the front manifold
puts the carb below the bonnet, no bulge necessary.  Of course,
getting everything lined up and working perfectly with such
limited clearance is still an issue.

This is sort of an early notice.  I was going to take some pictures
but the camera batteries are dead and I can't find the AC adapter
for it.  I'll either find it or get some batteries in the next day or
two, as well as come up with a fair price for the manifold set.
Just the three pieces, no fittings, linkage, gaskets or any such,
a bare bones offering.

Of course, if you wish to purchase the manifolds and have the
Fat Chance Garage install them for you, I'm sure we can work
something out.  I'm sure I could come up with three matching
40 DCOEs.

So if you have a GT6 and have been thinking about triple Webers,
now is a good time to think about it some more.

Gee, two weeks now to Topeka.

mjb.

From s.janzen at comcast.net  Mon Aug  9 07:07:31 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 09:07:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Interesting tire development
In-Reply-To: <4C5DE52A.3080505@141.com>
References: <4C5DE52A.3080505@141.com>
Message-ID: <99296B7A-FAE8-4EBB-8907-86F7F53C104F@comcast.net>

For us racers, I don't get it.  I thought the benefit of negative  
camber was to end up with a "square" tread against the road when the  
car leans in the turns.  If, with these tires, the tread is square  
going straight, the inside edge of the outside tire is going to be  
lifted on a turn.

Sounds like the thrust of their benefit is fuel savings, offsetting  
the scrubbing effect of toe-in.  Am I missing something?

On Aug 7, 2010, at 6:58 PM, Susan Kahler wrote:

Hey gang,

I just got the latest copy of Popular Mechanics and it had an  
interesting little article about a new tire--the Camber Tire from  
Optima Sports. It gives you negative camber all the time, but keeps  
the tread patch squarely on the road. The way they do this is to  
shorten the inner sidewall. The article says the company hopes to have  
production versions in a couple of years.

Interesting approach. I was mulling just the other day over how I  
didn't think there had been any real "revolutions" in the tire  
industry any time recently. Think this will be one?

Here's their website: http://www.cambertire.com/. It's not the best  
quality, but gives a little info. And the "Racer" tab is not clickable  
for me (and it's replaced by "Green" when you scroll down), so no info  
there.   :(

Just FYI!

Keep Triumphing,
Susan     :)

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From jason at multivintage.com  Mon Aug  9 09:26:48 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:26:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <BAY138-W19180B570EF497E2C8C423C1920@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY138-W19180B570EF497E2C8C423C1920@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimX1CzRnaAe0sqQAXiEXXhh9HLy2CPrYH94_+Hc@mail.gmail.com>

I am having the same problem on my gt6. Mine may be just old and in need of
replacement. In my last weekend out I was loosing about a half quart per
session. My question about this is do I have to pull the whole motor or can
the seal be replaced by just removing the trans and doing it from the
inside? Will I do damage to things like the clutch If I try to race again
before doing so?

thanks for any advice for doing this job right and still racing soon.
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:04 PM, f s <whitedog72 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Need some advice,
>
>  I just put an engine together. 100% new seals and gaskets. Everything is
> great accept the rear main seal is leaking alot. I have put alot of these
> together and never had this problem before. I have taken it back apart and
> it
> looks centered and no damage. I also made sure the all the bolts were good
> and
> that areas that needed copper flat washers were correct. Any ideas from the
> group? I am baffled and have a big mess. ;o(
>
> Thanks
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Aug  9 09:49:38 2010
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 11:49:38 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
Message-ID: <1a5b2.3d06254a.39917d92@aol.com>

Hey guys,
 
A few years ago I got sick of the stock seals and upgraded to a National #  
417344 seal.  Readily available for about 8 bucks.
 
The rear seal plate has to be bored to 2.875 to use this seal.
 
I've been kicking around making a jig to bore these quickly after the  
initial setup.  Would anyone be interested in such a thing.  Probably  in the 
range of twenty to thirty Dollars exchange for the upgrade?
 
 
 
_http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/Rearsealplate007.jpg_ 
(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/Rearsealplate007.jpg) 
 
 
[IMG]http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/Rearsealplate007.jpg[/
IMG]

From REK46 at aol.com  Mon Aug  9 09:50:50 2010
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 11:50:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
Message-ID: <4a7ea.12e0ceeb.39917dda@aol.com>

Have you considered using a 'Speedi Sleeve' on the crank hub?....works  
great in making the seal tighter ...some seals flex or curl  a bit and the  
'centering of the seal is critical to the fit(not the rear plate fit....most  
manuals show the checking for the fit around the crank ,with feelers.....the  
SpeediSleeve will make it less prone to warpage or mis-alignment.
 
 
In a message dated 8/9/2010 11:41:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jason at multivintage.com writes:

I am  having the same problem on my gt6. Mine may be just old and in need  
of
replacement. In my last weekend out I was loosing about a half quart  per
session. My question about this is do I have to pull the whole motor or  can
the seal be replaced by just removing the trans and doing it from  the
inside? Will I do damage to things like the clutch If I try to race  again
before doing so?

thanks for any advice for doing this job  right and still racing soon.
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing  GT6+

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:04 PM, f s  <whitedog72 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Need some  advice,
>
>  I just put an engine together. 100% new seals  and gaskets. Everything is
> great accept the rear main seal is leaking  alot. I have put alot of these
> together and never had this problem  before. I have taken it back apart 
and
> it
> looks centered and  no damage. I also made sure the all the bolts were 
good
> and
>  that areas that needed copper flat washers were correct. Any ideas from  
the
> group? I am baffled and have a big mess. ;o(
>
>  Thanks
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Mon Aug  9 10:04:36 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 12:04:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire, GT6
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimX1CzRnaAe0sqQAXiEXXhh9HLy2CPrYH94_+Hc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY138-W19180B570EF497E2C8C423C1920@phx.gbl>
	<AANLkTimX1CzRnaAe0sqQAXiEXXhh9HLy2CPrYH94_+Hc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A7EFB65A-0C5F-4361-BBA9-978A7CEF9EF9@comcast.net>

I've never tried to replace one on my GT6 with the engine in the car,  
but question whether you can get it properly centered from this angle  
(unless you have the centering tool, which i don't), and with the oil  
pan in place.  Removal and re-installation will disrupt the pan gasket  
as well, and I've found the pan/gasket to be a big source of oil leaks  
unless my prep was careful and the pan flange straight - lots of  
Permatex RTV seems to help.

Let me know if it can be done!  Wondering if you can properly support  
the engine and run it without refitting the trans, after a new seal is  
installed, to see if it's sealing?  If it's the pan gasket, it won't  
leak much except when cornering so this test wouldn't work.

Oil should not damage the clutch, as the oil should be on the front  
side of the flywheel away from the clutch, unless there is just that  
much oil circulating in the bell housing.

On Aug 9, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:

I am having the same problem on my gt6. Mine may be just old and in  
need of
replacement. In my last weekend out I was loosing about a half quart per
session. My question about this is do I have to pull the whole motor  
or can
the seal be replaced by just removing the trans and doing it from the
inside? Will I do damage to things like the clutch If I try to race  
again
before doing so?

thanks for any advice for doing this job right and still racing soon.
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:04 PM, f s <whitedog72 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Need some advice,
>
> I just put an engine together. 100% new seals and gaskets.  
> Everything is
> great accept the rear main seal is leaking alot. I have put alot of  
> these
> together and never had this problem before. I have taken it back  
> apart and
> it
> looks centered and no damage. I also made sure the all the bolts  
> were good
> and
> that areas that needed copper flat washers were correct. Any ideas  
> from the
> group? I am baffled and have a big mess. ;o(
>
> Thanks
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From jerrybarr at charter.net  Mon Aug  9 10:10:03 2010
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 11:10:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimX1CzRnaAe0sqQAXiEXXhh9HLy2CPrYH94_+Hc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY138-W19180B570EF497E2C8C423C1920@phx.gbl>
	<AANLkTimX1CzRnaAe0sqQAXiEXXhh9HLy2CPrYH94_+Hc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DE981956-596B-4429-AA33-1629E5269082@charter.net>

The leak sounds like a Snidely Whiplash sort of way to win races. Keep  
it up. With your oil leak and all the smoke I was creating when the  
Spitfire blew up we could have won for sure.
On Aug 9, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:

> I am having the same problem on my gt6. Mine may be just old and in  
> need of
> replacement. In my last weekend out I was loosing about a half quart  
> per
> session. My question about this is do I have to pull the whole motor  
> or can
> the seal be replaced by just removing the trans and doing it from the
> inside? Will I do damage to things like the clutch If I try to race  
> again
> before doing so?
>
> thanks for any advice for doing this job right and still racing soon.
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:04 PM, f s <whitedog72 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Need some advice,
>>
>> I just put an engine together. 100% new seals and gaskets.  
>> Everything is
>> great accept the rear main seal is leaking alot. I have put alot of  
>> these
>> together and never had this problem before. I have taken it back  
>> apart and
>> it
>> looks centered and no damage. I also made sure the all the bolts  
>> were good
>> and
>> that areas that needed copper flat washers were correct. Any ideas  
>> from the
>> group? I am baffled and have a big mess. ;o(
>>
>> Thanks
>> _______________________________________________
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From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Aug  9 12:58:59 2010
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 13:58:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1281376802.27740.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.3.1281376802.27740.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000301cb37f4$ed3c6fe0$c7b54fa0$@aero>

It can be done without removing the engine from the car but unless you have
the car on a hoist, it may be more difficult in the long run.
As noted; both the rear engine plate and the oil pan will have to be removed
in order to access the alloy sealing plate that holds the seal and that is
after the clutch and flywheel are off as well.
I would not want to do that while on a floor creeper. I may be easier to
just pull the engine and put it on a bench/stand.


Robert MacKenzie
NASS # 511
Austin Texas
'79 1500 (street)
'62 Spitfire 4 (race)
president at hillcountrytriumphclub.org

From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Aug  9 13:41:05 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 14:41:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] nomination
Message-ID: <001f01cb37fa$cf0fc520$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

The recent Riverside Raceway thread shook up a long dormnant synapse.

Last year, I visited the Riverside Raceway Museum in Riverside and there met
a man I'd like to nominate.


Patrick Flynn.  He works at the museum - much of his time spent with the
photo archives- and was a long time employee at the track.
Also, he raced TR3's and 4's during the sixties.   Also a Morgan.
I think his historical knowledge would be a great asset to our group.

his e-mail    pflynn001 at earthlink.net

art de armond

From kaskas at cox.net  Mon Aug  9 14:28:23 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 13:28:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] nomination
In-Reply-To: <001f01cb37fa$cf0fc520$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <20100809162823.758LL.82519.imail@fed1rmwml29>

I'll second the nomination of Pat Flynn.


---- riverside <riverside at southslope.net> wrote: 

=============
The recent Riverside Raceway thread shook up a long dormnant synapse.

Last year, I visited the Riverside Raceway Museum in Riverside and there met
a man I'd like to nominate.


Patrick Flynn.  He works at the museum - much of his time spent with the
photo archives- and was a long time employee at the track.
Also, he raced TR3's and 4's during the sixties.   Also a Morgan.
I think his historical knowledge would be a great asset to our group.

his e-mail    pflynn001 at earthlink.net

art de armond
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Mon Aug  9 14:39:25 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:39:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] nomination
In-Reply-To: <001f01cb37fa$cf0fc520$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <704577.10872.qm@smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I'll second, we all need a brain trust...

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of riverside
Sent: August 9, 2010 3:41 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] nomination

The recent Riverside Raceway thread shook up a long dormnant synapse.

Last year, I visited the Riverside Raceway Museum in Riverside and there met
a man I'd like to nominate.


Patrick Flynn.  He works at the museum - much of his time spent with the
photo archives- and was a long time employee at the track.
Also, he raced TR3's and 4's during the sixties.   Also a Morgan.
I think his historical knowledge would be a great asset to our group.

his e-mail    pflynn001 at earthlink.net

art de armond
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Mon Aug  9 16:08:03 2010
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:08:03 +1000
Subject: [Fot] IRS TR rear hubs & axles
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=C9Ram_Hqq8UnDaznKUYX5mVVZ=e3K2TD8WO64@mail.gmail.com>

i have finally broken the last of my factory rear hubs at a race meeting, so
now is time for change.I got almost 7 years of racing on the last of the
ones I built with brand new parts, so I'm not complaining

I have looked at some Nissan S13 Sylvia ones and these appeal as they have a
CV jointed axle (which I would have to shorten) and appear relatively easy
to adapt into the IRS trailing arm.  Big bonus is the identical stud
pattern. I have seen the older Nissan 260Z and 510 sedan ones fitted, but
they use the very heavy rolling ball axle, which is now technically
out-dated.

what are other racers in the USA currently using??

thanks

 Terry O'Beirne
Australia

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Aug  9 17:25:04 2010
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 19:25:04 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Better rear seal
Message-ID: <3660b.463c3d43.3991e850@aol.com>

After this mornings discussion I got playing around and made a jig for  
converting our rear seals to a better and cheaper seal.  I was able to  convert 
four of them, all I had, available for thirty Dollars exchange with the  
ten Dollar seal installed.
 
Obviously not going to fund my retirement but if I can get enough of the  
rear plates to do in one go it could be worth it for the beer money.
 
Oddly, I'd have thought I could find dozens of those plates around but four 
 was all I could come up with....
 
_http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/Rearseal017.jpg_ 
(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/Rearseal017.jpg) 
 
_http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/Rearsealplate007.jpg_ 
(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/Rearsealplate007.jpg) 

From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  9 17:27:27 2010
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:27:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] IRS TR rear hubs & axles
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=C9Ram_Hqq8UnDaznKUYX5mVVZ=e3K2TD8WO64@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=C9Ram_Hqq8UnDaznKUYX5mVVZ=e3K2TD8WO64@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <637568.36602.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I have been running the Corvair conversion for a long time. However, I think 
Richard Good has the best modern setup.  www.goodparts.com 


Mike





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From: Enquiries Road & Track <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, August 9, 2010 4:08:03 PM
Subject: [Fot] IRS TR rear hubs & axles

i have finally broken the last of my factory rear hubs at a race meeting, so
now is time for change.I got almost 7 years of racing on the last of the
ones I built with brand new parts, so I'm not complaining

I have looked at some Nissan S13 Sylvia ones and these appeal as they have a
CV jointed axle (which I would have to shorten) and appear relatively easy
to adapt into the IRS trailing arm.  Big bonus is the identical stud
pattern. I have seen the older Nissan 260Z and 510 sedan ones fitted, but
they use the very heavy rolling ball axle, which is now technically
out-dated.

what are other racers in the USA currently using??

thanks

Terry O'Beirne
Australia
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Aug  9 17:37:24 2010
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 19:37:24 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
Message-ID: <37085.61f83794.3991eb34@aol.com>

Well it's gonna still be the same threads.  If you get ham handed then  
it's helicoil time.  A most imperfect solution in my opinion.
 
I stud mine to postpone that aggravation but it only buys time.  They  are 
made of alloy colored cheese after all.
 
I suppose a CAD-CAM shop could reproduce the whole thing for us at a  
reasonable price but why would they bother for such a small  market?

From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon Aug  9 17:40:27 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 18:40:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <4C606A0A.90106@pobox.com>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
	<4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
	<000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>
	<4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net> <4C5DBB6D.20807@blacksburg.net>
	<000c01cb36dc$b3862890$1a9279b0$@com> <4C606A0A.90106@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <4C6091EB.6070100@pobox.com>

This issue of head gasket thickness has puzzled me for some time.  I 
understand why this was such a big issue in the old days, because people 
used off the shelf pistons.  However, now if you're racing a TR3 or TR4 
and want 87mm forged pistons you probably have to order them custom made 
from someplace like Wiseco.  Why not order them with a greater 
compression height to make up for the thicker head gasket?  I believe 
2.00 inches puts the top of the piston at the top of the liner.  If 
you're head gasket is 0.045, you could order a 2.10 compression height 
for an 0.035 clearance.  This is pushing the limit, so you'd have to be 
sure you've got all the correct dimensions.  Am I missing something?
Larry Young
> MadMarx wrote:
>> Thank you Jim for the information.
>>
>> Quite thick as this thick gasket would need some further grinding of the
>> head to achieve the compression ratio.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Seems that I have to stay with the normal steel head gaskets.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Chris

From rodkent at cox.net  Mon Aug  9 17:50:26 2010
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 19:50:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] IRS TR rear hubs & axles
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=C9Ram_Hqq8UnDaznKUYX5mVVZ=e3K2TD8WO64@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100809195026.YTOZ7.377148.imail@fed1rmwml44>

Hi, we use a 280z rear outer axle and adapt to vw bus cv joints at hub and diff, using short off road type axles. Bulletproof
---- Enquiries Road & Track <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au> wrote: 
i have finally broken the last of my factory rear hubs at a race meeting, so
now is time for change.I got almost 7 years of racing on the last of the
ones I built with brand new parts, so I'm not complaining

I have looked at some Nissan S13 Sylvia ones and these appeal as they have a
CV jointed axle (which I would have to shorten) and appear relatively easy
to adapt into the IRS trailing arm.  Big bonus is the identical stud
pattern. I have seen the older Nissan 260Z and 510 sedan ones fitted, but
they use the very heavy rolling ball axle, which is now technically
out-dated.

what are other racers in the USA currently using??

thanks

 Terry O'Beirne
Australia
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Mon Aug  9 18:40:56 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 00:40:56 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
Message-ID: <20100809.204056.11582.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com>

My thoughts exactly.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 18:40:27 -0500

This issue of head gasket thickness has puzzled me for some time.  I
understand why this was such a big issue in the old days, because people
used off the shelf pistons.  However, now if you're racing a TR3 or TR4
and want 87mm forged pistons you probably have to order them custom made
from someplace like Wiseco.  Why not order them with a greater
compression height to make up for the thicker head gasket?  I believe
2.00 inches puts the top of the piston at the top of the liner.  If
you're head gasket is 0.045, you could order a 2.10 compression height
for an 0.035 clearance.  This is pushing the limit, so you'd have to be
sure you've got all the correct dimensions.  Am I missing something?
Larry Young

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From atr6racer at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  9 19:05:02 2010
From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 21:05:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] IRS TR rear hubs & axles
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=C9Ram_Hqq8UnDaznKUYX5mVVZ=e3K2TD8WO64@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=C9Ram_Hqq8UnDaznKUYX5mVVZ=e3K2TD8WO64@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT136-w137712DB9C1DAF464337E9F9950@phx.gbl>

Two words.

Richard Good

http://www.goodparts.com/shop/index.php?categoryID=20


Call Richard at Good parts and his axle/CV joint unit will be the end to your
problems. High quality, great performance. I used them for the last two years
on all of my TR6 race cars.

Sam Halkias

> From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au
> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:08:03 +1000
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] IRS TR rear hubs & axles
>
> i have finally broken the last of my factory rear hubs at a race meeting,
so
> now is time for change.I got almost 7 years of racing on the last of the
> ones I built with brand new parts, so I'm not complaining
>
> I have looked at some Nissan S13 Sylvia ones and these appeal as they have
a
> CV jointed axle (which I would have to shorten) and appear relatively easy
> to adapt into the IRS trailing arm. Big bonus is the identical stud
> pattern. I have seen the older Nissan 260Z and 510 sedan ones fitted, but
> they use the very heavy rolling ball axle, which is now technically
> out-dated.
>
> what are other racers in the USA currently using??
>
> thanks
>
> Terry O'Beirne
> Australia
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Aug  9 19:17:38 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 18:17:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <4C6091EB.6070100@pobox.com>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
	<4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
	<000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>
	<4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net> <4C5DBB6D.20807@blacksburg.net>
	<000c01cb36dc$b3862890$1a9279b0$@com> <4C606A0A.90106@pobox.com>
	<4C6091EB.6070100@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <33E20667-2569-4A13-B995-4396C2CD7C00@earthlink.net>

Sure custom pistons can be ordered to whatever specs you want, but if  
you want to run what you've got, perhaps this HG is a little too thick  
to get the desired CR.

~Steve


On Aug 9, 2010, at 4:40 PM, Larry Young wrote:

This issue of head gasket thickness has puzzled me for some time.  I  
understand why this was such a big issue in the old days, because  
people used off the shelf pistons.  However, now if you're racing a  
TR3 or TR4 and want 87mm forged pistons you probably have to order  
them custom made from someplace like Wiseco.  Why not order them with  
a greater compression height to make up for the thicker head gasket?   
I believe 2.00 inches puts the top of the piston at the top of the  
liner.  If you're head gasket is 0.045, you could order a 2.10  
compression height for an 0.035 clearance.  This is pushing the limit,  
so you'd have to be sure you've got all the correct dimensions.  Am I  
missing something?
Larry Young
> MadMarx wrote:
>> Thank you Jim for the information.
>>
>> Quite thick as this thick gasket would need some further grinding  
>> of the
>> head to achieve the compression ratio.
>>
>>
>> Seems that I have to stay with the normal steel head gaskets.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Chris
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Mon Aug  9 19:42:31 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 21:42:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] IRS TR rear hubs & axles
References: <AANLkTi=C9Ram_Hqq8UnDaznKUYX5mVVZ=e3K2TD8WO64@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <017401cb382d$4eb6fcd0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

Two words: Richard Good.
His hubs are bomb proof and not that expensive. You don't necessarily need
the CV joints but they are nice. There are also uprated half shafts out
there with heavier u-joints.
Heavier u-joints are offered by both Richard Good and Ted Schumacher. Worth
the money.
I took everyone's advice and got Richard's  rear hubs and my confidence
level rose greatly. Same with Uncle Jack's front spindles. Worthy
investment.
No financial interest, other than helping out FOT members, both buying and
selling.
Good luck.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Enquiries Road & Track" <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 6:08 PM
Subject: [Fot] IRS TR rear hubs & axles


> i have finally broken the last of my factory rear hubs at a race meeting,
so
> now is time for change.I got almost 7 years of racing on the last of the
> ones I built with brand new parts, so I'm not complaining
>
> I have looked at some Nissan S13 Sylvia ones and these appeal as they have
a
> CV jointed axle (which I would have to shorten) and appear relatively easy
> to adapt into the IRS trailing arm.  Big bonus is the identical stud
> pattern. I have seen the older Nissan 260Z and 510 sedan ones fitted, but
> they use the very heavy rolling ball axle, which is now technically
> out-dated.
>
> what are other racers in the USA currently using??
>
> thanks
>
>  Terry O'Beirne
> Australia
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From brinke at cebridge.net  Sat Aug  7 19:31:06 2010
From: brinke at cebridge.net (Bill Rinke)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 20:31:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
References: <000001cb3637$435fe3d0$ca1fab70$@com><SNT122-DS32B41D62E9219E2FB7680EC920@phx.gbl>
	<8CD046C6A7DEA5A-1304-13B3E@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com>
	<7248A7089CA74DF38726FBD0151288CD@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <CF84AB4A6E904BEC9E8996D288FF077D@main>

Bob, we appreciate your kind words.  Yes, this has been a long hard job and we
are now trying to develop a few alternatives that will hopefully prevent us
from going in the hole.  Disappointed?  Very.  We spoke with many drivers in
RMVR, CVAR, VSCDA, SVRA and other VMC organizations prior to initiating this
event and they all said they would support us.  VSCDA Formula Vee drivers said
they would bring 30 Vees to our event.  We attended VMC meetings and those
present said they would support us.  Well, so much for promises.

My emails to FoT don't go through as I am not a member so hope you will
forward this to them.

We really do thank the FoT for the strong support and their turn out at this
event will be remembered for a long time as one of the best Kastner Cup Races
they have driven in.  The bands and the fly over are still on.  The
Cheerleaders car wash is still on.  The pro music group from Houston will be
there and having fun for 4 days will be real easy to do.  Heck, the
temperature throughout the Midwest has been well into the 90's for the past
few weeks so we should all be used to it by now.

Check out our website at www.heartlandvintageracing.com and click on the
Racing button.  There you will now find the current Entry list which does not
include 8 entries that we received today.  Two of those entries were for the
Exhibition Group and none of those were for Triumphs.

I will be speaking with Evan at Bob Woodman Tire Co. on Monday.  During my
last conversation with him he advised he "only" had 8 sets of tires on order
which made it difficult for him to justify bringing a tire truck from Beufort,
SC to Topeka, KS.  I will establish a different tire supplier for our event.
In the meantime, Hoosier tires or other brands may be shipped to Charlie Clark
(shown on the Tire Supplier list under the Racing button) and he can mount
those tires at the track.  Charlie is the Goodyear Tire person and can not
sell brands other than Goodyear but he can service all brands.  Charlie will
have the Goodyear Tire Building open during our event.

Thanks so much for your support.  Yes, this will be a Great Vintage Racing
Extravaganza.

Bill



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bob Kramer
  To: bswope959 at msn.com ; GSFuqua1 at aol.com ; fot at autox.team.net ;
brinke at cebridge.net ; timmurph at fastbytes.com ; n197tr4 at cs.com
  Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 2:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park


  Gary and Bill have put an awful lot of work into this event and landed a
  pretty nice sponsor in O'Reilly's. The first event of any kind is always a
  crap shoot, but like Joe says, the Triumph guys have it made. When I started
  racing back in 1996 CVAR had an August date at Texas World Speedway. Boy was
  it hot in the sun, but we all made sure we had shadein the paddock. The
  drivers had the coolest time, crusing around at speed. If it is the heat in
  Topeka that is keeping you away don't let it. Just remember to come late to
  the grid (he-he) or bring an umbrella, drink lot's of Ozarka and drive fast.
  You'll be fine. It's not too late to make the decision to come. I hope
  everyone that can cake it comes.

  You know, with the new F-1 track being built here in Austin, an FOT event at
  that world-class facility is an opportunity for the future. I think the
  track owners will want well run  vintage festival on their calendar. Maybe
  this could be in HVR's future as CVAR doesn't do spectator events.

  Bob Kramer
  Volente, TX

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Aug 10 00:55:51 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:55:51 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <4C6091EB.6070100@pobox.com>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
	<4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
	<000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>
	<4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net> <4C5DBB6D.20807@blacksburg.net>
	<000c01cb36dc$b3862890$1a9279b0$@com> <4C606A0A.90106@pobox.com>
	<4C6091EB.6070100@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <000601cb3859$131bb9a0$39532ce0$@com>

Hi Larry,

you are right you could order custom pistons for this gasket. But my engine
is done so far and also the custom pistons.

Is the thickness of the gasket in "new" condition or "compressed" condition?
Maybe this information will tell us more?

I use the available steel gaskets but they doesnt fit very well and I have
to grind out at some spots on the gasket.
So I'm looking for better fitting stuff.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Larry Young
Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. August 2010 01:40
An: FOT
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket

This issue of head gasket thickness has puzzled me for some time.  I
understand why this was such a big issue in the old days, because people
used off the shelf pistons.  However, now if you're racing a TR3 or TR4
and want 87mm forged pistons you probably have to order them custom made
from someplace like Wiseco.  Why not order them with a greater
compression height to make up for the thicker head gasket?  I believe
2.00 inches puts the top of the piston at the top of the liner.  If
you're head gasket is 0.045, you could order a 2.10 compression height
for an 0.035 clearance.  This is pushing the limit, so you'd have to be
sure you've got all the correct dimensions.  Am I missing something?
Larry Young
> MadMarx wrote:
>> Thank you Jim for the information.
>>
>> Quite thick as this thick gasket would need some further grinding of the
>> head to achieve the compression ratio.
>>
>>
>>
>> Seems that I have to stay with the normal steel head gaskets.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Chris
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 10 13:57:10 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:57:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
Message-ID: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>

I am about to install.

What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
transponder?

Any caveats?

Orientation?

Thanks!

Joe

From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Aug 10 14:19:55 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:19:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <653C52B6273C4D8EA581B1D5DAC7BD34@Bud>

always go as far forward as possible
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:57 PM
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions


>I am about to install.
>
> What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
> transponder?
>
> Any caveats?
>
> Orientation?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Aug 10 14:34:10 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:34:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
In-Reply-To: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1699760142.912483.1281472449996.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I mounted mine in the engine bay, right side, behind the valance for 

a clean view of the ground and accesible from the top. 

I had one mounted closer to the top of the radiator but the signal was 

sketchy at times. 



jim g 




----- Original Message ----- 
From: n197tr4 at cs.com 
To: fot at autox.team.net 
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:57:10 PM 
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions 

I am about to install. 

What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the 
transponder? 

Any caveats? 

Orientation? 

Thanks! 

Joe 
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 10 15:18:20 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:18:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
In-Reply-To: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <67E902AE-49D7-4CFC-815F-167B1A768DD0@earthlink.net>

Mount it onto a retractable rod that can shoot forward at the start/ 
finish line if necessary. :)

~Steve


On Aug 10, 2010, at 12:57 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:

I am about to install.

What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
transponder?

Any caveats?

Orientation?

Thanks!

Joe
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Aug 10 15:42:01 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:42:01 +0200
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
In-Reply-To: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <001c01cb38d4$df7ec340$9e7c49c0$@com>

I have one at the front behind the grill.
And a second one that I throw over the finish line if needed to get ahead of
someone. :-)

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von n197tr4 at cs.com
Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. August 2010 21:57
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions

I am about to install.

What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
transponder?

Any caveats?

Orientation?

Thanks!

Joe
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From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Aug 10 15:55:27 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:55:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
	<67E902AE-49D7-4CFC-815F-167B1A768DD0@earthlink.net>
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Good Idea Steve...that prompted a plan....Since it's not hard wired...put a 
magnet on it, and casually walk through the pits and stick it on any car 
that you think will be a runaway winner..
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions


> Mount it onto a retractable rod that can shoot forward at the start/ 
> finish line if necessary. :)
>
> ~Steve
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2010, at 12:57 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
>
> I am about to install.
>
> What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
> transponder?
>
> Any caveats?
>
> Orientation?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 10 16:01:14 2010
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:01:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TRANSPONDER location
In-Reply-To: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <92649.1457.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Joe,
An important point is that the transponder needs to see the track not only 
straight down but also forward and back by at least a few inches. As you cross 
the line the transponder makes a number of hits: weaker as you approach/depart, 
strongest as you pass directly over. It triangulates on the signal strength 
coming and going to find the exact millisecond you are centered over the loop. 
Ideally there should be an uninterrupted cone of vision from the transponder 
bottom to the asphalt. AMB tells you the maximum height is 2 feet. But they do 
not tell you there is a also practical minimum height of around 9-12 inches: too 
small a cone of signal means too few hits to accurately position you. That means 
don't do the obvious and mount it on the frame. This generates a weak-signal 
warning to the T&S system and you will likely get a love note at pit in to 
change it. (Been there, done that.) Mid-height inside the wheel well is AMB's 
suggestion, but outside the front valance works great too and provides easier 
access for removal.

Hope this helps,
Gary Schneider






________________________________
From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 2:57:10 PM
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions

I am about to install.

What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
transponder?

Any caveats?

Orientation?

Thanks!

Joe
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 10 16:34:44 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:34:44 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
Message-ID: <6a1a5.3e8fbc18.39932e04@cs.com>

It is good to see the FOT alive and well and playing well with each other 
on the list.

The responses actually helped me identify a premium location on the AMBRO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------
Looking forward to the FOT gathering next week. Kas leaves on Monday for 
Wednesday arrival with the Coveted Kastner Cup.  Many will be there by 
Wednesday night with everyone in place by Thursday.

The forecast is a 10-15 degree trend in declining temperatures. 
Probabilities would indicate this after a sustained heat wave. 

More later,  Joe





> Good Idea Steve...that prompted a plan....Since it's not hard wired...put 
> a 
> magnet on it, and casually walk through the pits and stick it on any car 
> that you think will be a runaway winner..
> RB
> 

</HTML>

From stutzmans at comcast.net  Tue Aug 10 17:11:25 2010
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:11:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <000601cb3859$131bb9a0$39532ce0$@com>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net><000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com><4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net>
	<4C5DBB6D.20807@blacksburg.net><000c01cb36dc$b3862890$1a9279b0$@com>
	<4C606A0A.90106@pobox.com><4C6091EB.6070100@pobox.com>
	<000601cb3859$131bb9a0$39532ce0$@com>
Message-ID: <B3EE405E211E44B2B588D1F485676D7E@ComputerPC>

Do any listers have actual experience using this head gasket?
Bruce
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: "'Larry Young'" <cartravel at pobox.com>; "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket


> Hi Larry,
>
> you are right you could order custom pistons for this gasket. But my 
> engine
> is done so far and also the custom pistons.
>
> Is the thickness of the gasket in "new" condition or "compressed" 
> condition?
> Maybe this information will tell us more?
>
> I use the available steel gaskets but they doesnt fit very well and I 
> have
> to grind out at some spots on the gasket.
> So I'm looking for better fitting stuff.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Larry Young
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. August 2010 01:40
> An: FOT
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
>
> This issue of head gasket thickness has puzzled me for some time.  I
> understand why this was such a big issue in the old days, because people
> used off the shelf pistons.  However, now if you're racing a TR3 or TR4
> and want 87mm forged pistons you probably have to order them custom made
> from someplace like Wiseco.  Why not order them with a greater
> compression height to make up for the thicker head gasket?  I believe
> 2.00 inches puts the top of the piston at the top of the liner.  If
> you're head gasket is 0.045, you could order a 2.10 compression height
> for an 0.035 clearance.  This is pushing the limit, so you'd have to be
> sure you've got all the correct dimensions.  Am I missing something?
> Larry Young
>> MadMarx wrote:
>>> Thank you Jim for the information.
>>>
>>> Quite thick as this thick gasket would need some further grinding of the
>>> head to achieve the compression ratio.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seems that I have to stay with the normal steel head gaskets.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Chris
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Tue Aug 10 17:55:23 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:55:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TRANSPONDER location - frame works ok
In-Reply-To: <92649.1457.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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	<92649.1457.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <EC0D7290-D06D-46DC-8685-2A764FAD0EF3@comcast.net>

I have mine mounted on the frame rail, center about 8" above grade,  
and had no troubles.

On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Gary Schneider wrote:

Joe,
An important point is that the transponder needs to see the track not  
only
straight down but also forward and back by at least a few inches. As  
you cross
the line the transponder makes a number of hits: weaker as you  
approach/depart,
strongest as you pass directly over. It triangulates on the signal  
strength
coming and going to find the exact millisecond you are centered over  
the loop.
Ideally there should be an uninterrupted cone of vision from the  
transponder
bottom to the asphalt. AMB tells you the maximum height is 2 feet. But  
they do
not tell you there is a also practical minimum height of around 9-12  
inches: too
small a cone of signal means too few hits to accurately position you.  
That means
don't do the obvious and mount it on the frame. This generates a weak- 
signal
warning to the T&S system and you will likely get a love note at pit  
in to
change it. (Been there, done that.) Mid-height inside the wheel well  
is AMB's
suggestion, but outside the front valance works great too and provides  
easier
access for removal.

Hope this helps,
Gary Schneider






________________________________
From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 2:57:10 PM
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions

I am about to install.

What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
transponder?

Any caveats?

Orientation?

Thanks!

Joe
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From pcdelux at verizon.net  Tue Aug 10 17:58:56 2010
From: pcdelux at verizon.net (William Dewar)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:58:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
References: <6a1a5.3e8fbc18.39932e04@cs.com>
Message-ID: <005301cb38e8$1a9dd2f0$2101a8c0@userge6zixcg5r>

Joe,

 If you stick it on Peyote remember it's aluminum. Probably need Gorilla 
glue. Just make sure it is slightly forward of Peyote's real one.

Bill D
NJTA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <N197TR4 at cs.com>
To: <budscars at comcast.net>; <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions


> It is good to see the FOT alive and well and playing well with each other
> on the list.
>
> The responses actually helped me identify a premium location on the AMBRO.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------
> Looking forward to the FOT gathering next week. Kas leaves on Monday for
> Wednesday arrival with the Coveted Kastner Cup.  Many will be there by
> Wednesday night with everyone in place by Thursday.
>
> The forecast is a 10-15 degree trend in declining temperatures.
> Probabilities would indicate this after a sustained heat wave.
>
> More later,  Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>> Good Idea Steve...that prompted a plan....Since it's not hard wired...put
>> a
>> magnet on it, and casually walk through the pits and stick it on any car
>> that you think will be a runaway winner..
>> RB
>>
>
> </HTML>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Aug 10 17:59:03 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:59:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
	<001c01cb38d4$df7ec340$9e7c49c0$@com>
Message-ID: <DEE803F61E074F89B7E5691D342EDD21@Bud>

maybe there is an advantage to the non-hard wired ones after all.
RB
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From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: <n197tr4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions


>I have one at the front behind the grill.
> And a second one that I throw over the finish line if needed to get ahead 
> of
> someone. :-)
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von n197tr4 at cs.com
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. August 2010 21:57
> An: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
>
> I am about to install.
>
> What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
> transponder?
>
> Any caveats?
>
> Orientation?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 10 18:29:06 2010
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:29:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TRANSPONDER location - frame works ok
In-Reply-To: <EC0D7290-D06D-46DC-8685-2A764FAD0EF3@comcast.net>
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
	<92649.1457.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<EC0D7290-D06D-46DC-8685-2A764FAD0EF3@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <542905.93558.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Scott,
Sounds like 8" is still in the workable range then. We had trouble in the 4-6" 
area on two different cars. If there's ever any question, your T&S folks can 
tell you how many hits they get from each transponder.
Thanks and regards,
Gary
To: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 6:55:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TRANSPONDER location - frame works ok

I have mine mounted on the frame rail, center about 8" above grade, and had no 
troubles.


On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Gary Schneider wrote:

Joe,
An important point is that the transponder needs to see the track not only 
straight down but also forward and back by at least a few inches. As you cross 
the line the transponder makes a number of hits: weaker as you approach/depart, 
strongest as you pass directly over. It triangulates on the signal strength 
coming and going to find the exact millisecond you are centered over the loop. 
Ideally there should be an uninterrupted cone of vision from the transponder 
bottom to the asphalt. AMB tells you the maximum height is 2 feet. But they do 
not tell you there is a also practical minimum height of around 9-12 inches: too 

small a cone of signal means too few hits to accurately position you. That means 

don't do the obvious and mount it on the frame. This generates a weak-signal 
warning to the T&S system and you will likely get a love note at pit in to 
change it. (Been there, done that.) Mid-height inside the wheel well is AMB's 
suggestion, but outside the front valance works great too and provides easier 
access for removal.

Hope this helps,
Gary Schneider






________________________________
From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 2:57:10 PM
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions

I am about to install.

What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
transponder?

Any caveats?

Orientation?

Thanks!

Joe
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From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Aug 10 18:32:11 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:32:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TRANSPONDER location - frame works ok
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com><92649.1457.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<EC0D7290-D06D-46DC-8685-2A764FAD0EF3@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <AF3579BEE4E8489EAD3E990A9AB7B982@Bud>

Unfortunately there have been so many people cheating/tampering with 
transponders that effective 2011 SCCA is requiring that they be mounted on 
the driver's helmet..
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
To: "Gary Schneider" <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: <n197tr4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TRANSPONDER location - frame works ok


>I have mine mounted on the frame rail, center about 8" above grade,
> and had no troubles.
>
> On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Gary Schneider wrote:
>
> Joe,
> An important point is that the transponder needs to see the track not
> only
> straight down but also forward and back by at least a few inches. As
> you cross
> the line the transponder makes a number of hits: weaker as you
> approach/depart,
> strongest as you pass directly over. It triangulates on the signal
> strength
> coming and going to find the exact millisecond you are centered over
> the loop.
> Ideally there should be an uninterrupted cone of vision from the
> transponder
> bottom to the asphalt. AMB tells you the maximum height is 2 feet. But
> they do
> not tell you there is a also practical minimum height of around 9-12
> inches: too
> small a cone of signal means too few hits to accurately position you.
> That means
> don't do the obvious and mount it on the frame. This generates a weak-
> signal
> warning to the T&S system and you will likely get a love note at pit
> in to
> change it. (Been there, done that.) Mid-height inside the wheel well
> is AMB's
> suggestion, but outside the front valance works great too and provides
> easier
> access for removal.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Gary Schneider
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 2:57:10 PM
> Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
>
> I am about to install.
>
> What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
> transponder?
>
> Any caveats?
>
> Orientation?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 10 18:33:18 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:33:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Christian Marx' new CRANK SEAL .... AN FOT
 UPDATE....components to be seen at TOPEKA.
Message-ID: <8CD0703EDCB598A-1E78-4F50@webmail-d028.sysops.aol.com>

OEM SCROLL SEALS: Due to the generous FOT response in supplying seed units for
modified scroll seals, I have 10 scroll seals in process today and will bring
units to Topeka next week. I had tooling produced to fixture these scroll
seals for modification and plan to provide as an exchange item for matched
sets received.  Est. $30 exchange

SEAL HOUSING CENTERING TOOL: Several scroll seals were measured by various
individuals and we came to the conclusion that this dimension is different
than the published dimension in the Factory Manual. Kas' new book discusses
the scroll seal and the dimensions published reflect our findings. Our new
Centering Tools are work in process this week. I will bring those to Topeka.
(This Centering Tool will work in assembly of the stock or modified scroll
seals) Est. $25 Retail

VITON CRANK SEAL: Chris' 2nd Production Run of 50 seals has been delayed
several days and will not make it to Topeka. There are a number of these seals
installed from an initial production run of (50?) One of these was installed
by Steve Yott of ISOA and well documented by ISOA's Bob Streepy as a
comprehensive article for the VTR magazine to be published in the fall.  Est.
Seal Cost  $62-66 depending on exchange rates.....this is a pass through from
Chris to you.

Viton seals are used in high heat, high duty cycle applications. It is my
understanding that the alternative seal is a Land Rover component and is not a
VITON seal.  Chris' new seal design also avoids the cost and time of grinding
the scroll characteristics from the crankshaft. Therefore, the original scroll
functionality remains in place while being backed up by the Viton Seal.

DISTRIBUTION: ARE will distribute in North America as individual components or
in kit form.  We should be ready to ship seal kits and components in less than
30 days.   Est. $125 Retail Kit

Thanks to all who participated in this project. None of us do this stuff
alone. Chris did the thoughtful engineering work on the seal design. ARE just
provided support and encouragement.

Be on the look out for Kas' new book in the fall. There is an entire chapter
on the subject of oil leaks and ventilation in our wet sleeve engines and how
to prevent them.

Kas' next book promises to deliver....whadda legacy we have for our Triumphs.
But you have to do more than look at the pictures. You have to read, too.  :-)
Kas says so.

Chris and Joe

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 10 18:41:56 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:41:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
In-Reply-To: <005301cb38e8$1a9dd2f0$2101a8c0@userge6zixcg5r>
References: <6a1a5.3e8fbc18.39932e04@cs.com>
	<005301cb38e8$1a9dd2f0$2101a8c0@userge6zixcg5r>
Message-ID: <8CD0705221CB4D6-1E78-50E8@webmail-d028.sysops.aol.com>

Since SAM HALKIAS is in my group (and class) at TOPEKA my transponder will be
on his TR6.

This all begs for answers to compelling questions at Topeka

WHO IS FASTER THAN SAM HALKIAS?

WHO WILL HAVE THE FASTEST TR4 IN NORTH AMERICA ON THIS WEEKEND?








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Sent: Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:58 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions


Joe,

If you stick it on Peyote remember it's aluminum. Probably need Gorilla glue.
Just make sure it is slightly forward of Peyote's real one.

Bill D
NJTA
----- Original Message ----- From: <N197TR4 at cs.com>
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Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions

> It is good to see the FOT alive and well and playing well with each other
> on the list.
>
> The responses actually helped me identify a premium location on the AMBRO.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------
> Looking forward to the FOT gathering next week. Kas leaves on Monday for
> Wednesday arrival with the Coveted Kastner Cup. Many will be there by
> Wednesday night with everyone in place by Thursday.
>
> The forecast is a 10-15 degree trend in declining temperatures.
> Probabilities would indicate this after a sustained heat wave.
>
> More later, Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>> Good Idea Steve...that prompted a plan....Since it's not hard wired...put
>> a
>> magnet on it, and casually walk through the pits and stick it on any car
>> that you think will be a runaway winner..
>> RB
>>
>
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From rjl at gt-classics.com  Tue Aug 10 19:47:51 2010
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:47:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TRANSPONDER location - frame works ok
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I had one on my FF (hard wired, though, but that shouldn't
make a difference?) that was only about 3 inches above the
ground.  I never had a problem with it, and it was even inside
the nose cone so it had to penetrate a layer of fiberglass.

John

At 08:29 PM 8/10/2010, Gary Schneider wrote:
>Scott,
>Sounds like 8" is still in the workable range then. We had trouble 
>in the 4-6"
>area on two different cars. If there's ever any question, your T&S folks can
>tell you how many hits they get from each transponder.
>Thanks and regards,
>Gary
>To: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
>Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net
>Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 6:55:23 PM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] TRANSPONDER location - frame works ok
>
>I have mine mounted on the frame rail, center about 8" above grade, 
>and had no
>troubles.
>
>
>On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Gary Schneider wrote:
>
>Joe,
>An important point is that the transponder needs to see the track not only
>straight down but also forward and back by at least a few inches. As 
>you cross
>the line the transponder makes a number of hits: weaker as you 
>approach/depart,
>strongest as you pass directly over. It triangulates on the signal strength
>coming and going to find the exact millisecond you are centered over 
>the loop.
>Ideally there should be an uninterrupted cone of vision from the transponder
>bottom to the asphalt. AMB tells you the maximum height is 2 feet. 
>But they do
>not tell you there is a also practical minimum height of around 9-12 
>inches: too
>
>small a cone of signal means too few hits to accurately position 
>you. That means
>
>don't do the obvious and mount it on the frame. This generates a weak-signal
>warning to the T&S system and you will likely get a love note at pit in to
>change it. (Been there, done that.) Mid-height inside the wheel well is AMB's
>suggestion, but outside the front valance works great too and provides easier
>access for removal.
>
>Hope this helps,
>Gary Schneider
>
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 2:57:10 PM
>Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
>
>I am about to install.
>
>What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
>transponder?
>
>Any caveats?
>
>Orientation?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Joe
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Thanks,
R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net 

From s.janzen at comcast.net  Tue Aug 10 20:48:38 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:48:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
Message-ID: <CC7343A3-5107-44EF-9572-AB095A92ED65@comcast.net>

I'm contemplating suspension changes to reduce the overall understeer  
tendency of my car, and am interested in hearing what set-ups other  
GT6 racers are running.  I think I want to reduce roll at the rear,  
either through a stiffer rear bar and/or spring.  The rear has a 5/8"  
bar on it, spring of unknown specs, and a 1" front bar and 550 lb  
springs.

I'm particularly interested in what, if any, rear bar you are running  
and how it is mounted to the body/frame, and the rear spring specs. 

From jason at multivintage.com  Wed Aug 11 00:12:56 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 01:12:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <BAY138-W10FCDFE03AAF5D91FE5BF6C1940@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY138-W19180B570EF497E2C8C423C1920@phx.gbl>
	<AANLkTimX1CzRnaAe0sqQAXiEXXhh9HLy2CPrYH94_+Hc@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY138-W10FCDFE03AAF5D91FE5BF6C1940@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinB1vk1jzAP+PDS+-ix5TZtr-8MOuD7gHzG3R8D@mail.gmail.com>

Funny Thing About All This Rear Seal Talk and Discussion which sent Steve
out to his garage fabricating parts... Turns out my real leak was coming
from the the trans... I pulled the tunnel cover off last night to find the
entire top cover extension virtually hanging in the breeze...two bolts
totally gone, one dowel missing and two studs just kind of hanging on for
dear life and the gasket laying there looking at me from the frame rails.
The thing was hanging there just dangling and mostly being supported by a
custom bracket I have coming off of the bell housing and  the rubber gear
shift sleeve.. Whoops. I drove it like that for about 50 laps...it was
leaking and getting worse for the entire weekend at Gratten... I was having
so much fun I didn't notice except the oil that was pooling at my feet...
which I thought was coming from a leaking rear seal.

Will I make it to the Kastner Cup?
Jason, Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 4:16 PM, f s <whitedog72 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jason,
>  Definately change it out as soon as possible. It is not only what you do
> to your engine but what the guy behind you has to deal with as you spray
> bits of oil on his windscreen. It is not too bad to replace. Just pull the
> tranny, clutch, flywheel and engine back plate to gain access.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:26:48 -0500
>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
> From: jason at multivintage.com
> To: whitedog72 at hotmail.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
>
>
> I am having the same problem on my gt6. Mine may be just old and in need of
> replacement. In my last weekend out I was loosing about a half quart per
> session. My question about this is do I have to pull the whole motor or can
> the seal be replaced by just removing the trans and doing it from the
> inside? Will I do damage to things like the clutch If I try to race again
> before doing so?
>
> thanks for any advice for doing this job right and still racing soon.
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:04 PM, f s <whitedog72 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Need some advice,
>
>  I just put an engine together. 100% new seals and gaskets. Everything is
> great accept the rear main seal is leaking alot. I have put alot of these
> together and never had this problem before. I have taken it back apart and
> it
> looks centered and no damage. I also made sure the all the bolts were good
> and
> that areas that needed copper flat washers were correct. Any ideas from the
> group? I am baffled and have a big mess. ;o(
>
> Thanks
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Aug 11 00:53:08 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 08:53:08 +0200
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
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References: <CC7343A3-5107-44EF-9572-AB095A92ED65@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000001cb3921$ddf424a0$99dc6de0$@com>

If you have understeer then your front end is the weak spot to work at.
Try to get more front end grip before you sacrifice back end grip.
More camber, different tire pressure, softer sway bar, more or less toe in,
weight distribution to the rear.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von Scott Janzen
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. August 2010 04:49
An: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up

I'm contemplating suspension changes to reduce the overall understeer
tendency of my car, and am interested in hearing what set-ups other
GT6 racers are running.  I think I want to reduce roll at the rear,
either through a stiffer rear bar and/or spring.  The rear has a 5/8"
bar on it, spring of unknown specs, and a 1" front bar and 550 lb
springs.

I'm particularly interested in what, if any, rear bar you are running
and how it is mounted to the body/frame, and the rear spring specs.
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From tr6driver at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 11 06:31:46 2010
From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 05:31:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
In-Reply-To: <6a1a5.3e8fbc18.39932e04@cs.com>
References: <6a1a5.3e8fbc18.39932e04@cs.com>
Message-ID: <580602.4036.qm@web52507.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Agreed...the discussion has helped us locate the transponder on our TR6
ChumpCar...first races coming up quickly (Aug 21 & 22 7-hour runs at Roebling
Road)!

Jamie




________________________________
From: "N197TR4 at cs.com"
<N197TR4 at cs.com>
To: budscars at comcast.net; colordog.1 at earthlink.net
Cc:
fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 6:34:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot]
AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions

It is good to see the FOT alive and
well and playing well with each other 
on the list.

The responses actually
helped me identify a premium location on the AMBRO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------
Looking forward to the FOT gathering
next week. Kas leaves on Monday for 
Wednesday arrival with the Coveted
Kastner Cup.  Many will be there by 
Wednesday night with everyone in place by
Thursday.

The forecast is a 10-15 degree trend in declining temperatures.
Probabilities would indicate this after a sustained heat wave. 

More later, 
Joe





> Good Idea Steve...that prompted a plan....Since it's not hard
wired...put 
> a 
> magnet on it, and casually walk through the pits and stick
it on any car 
> that you think will be a runaway winner..
> RB
> 

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Aug 11 07:54:00 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:54:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Quick Rack Query
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008110950580.11465@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I installed a Moss quick-ration steering rack a few years back. I love it, 
it's a great upgrade and I should have done it a long time ago.

At any rate, the contruction of the rack is a tad different then the stock 
piece - here's the question: is the lubrication servicing for this rack 
the same as the factory piece?

Yours in alliteration.
rml
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From jason at multivintage.com  Wed Aug 11 08:16:40 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:16:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
In-Reply-To: <000001cb3921$ddf424a0$99dc6de0$@com>
References: <CC7343A3-5107-44EF-9572-AB095A92ED65@comcast.net>
	<000001cb3921$ddf424a0$99dc6de0$@com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=22-7hikyk0jnqtsoJEy9-3dkfWpts1a63dUQt@mail.gmail.com>

 The nicely prepared gt6 race cars in the midwest have concentrated on
beefing up rear axles and hubs, flat and heavy rear springs, and stiff
shocks. The fastest has a bar mine has no bar... but seems to work fine.
Less movement of all parts in general proves to be better. Stiffness steps
in the back should allow lateral movement to be modulated by the throttle
pedal. I would assume your car has good stuff at the rear and might agree
with chris that your front end grip may be more important.

Side note... we use hoosier street T.D.'s and although quite expensive and
not long lasting (half a season for the fronts) These tires stick both at
the front and rear and should put the car wherever you want to go.

Jason
Friendly Ghost Racing
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 1:53 AM, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> If you have understeer then your front end is the weak spot to work at.
> Try to get more front end grip before you sacrifice back end grip.
> More camber, different tire pressure, softer sway bar, more or less toe in,
> weight distribution to the rear.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Scott Janzen
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. August 2010 04:49
> An: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
> Betreff: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
>
> I'm contemplating suspension changes to reduce the overall understeer
> tendency of my car, and am interested in hearing what set-ups other
> GT6 racers are running.  I think I want to reduce roll at the rear,
> either through a stiffer rear bar and/or spring.  The rear has a 5/8"
> bar on it, spring of unknown specs, and a 1" front bar and 550 lb
> springs.
>
> I'm particularly interested in what, if any, rear bar you are running
> and how it is mounted to the body/frame, and the rear spring specs.
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Aug 11 08:26:41 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:26:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
In-Reply-To: <000001cb3921$ddf424a0$99dc6de0$@com>
Message-ID: <1987808763.940815.1281536801931.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I think Chris said it, you have a lot of sway bar up front, I'd start with
that.

You have a pretty low roll center in a GT6. It seems the only way to make a

1" sway bar work well on a GT6 is with fairly massive tires, but I could be
wrong.

Set the camber with tire temps and once you get the front to bite then you

can balance front & rear. A little toe out made a big difference in the TR4 on
turn in.



Jim G




----- Original Message -----
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>, "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph"
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:53:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up

If you have understeer then your front end is the weak spot to work at.
Try to get more front end grip before you sacrifice back end grip.
More camber, different tire pressure, softer sway bar, more or less toe in,
weight distribution to the rear.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von Scott Janzen
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. August 2010 04:49
An: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up

I'm contemplating suspension changes to reduce the overall understeer
tendency of my car, and am interested in hearing what set-ups other
GT6 racers are running. B I think I want to reduce roll at the rear,
either through a stiffer rear bar and/or spring. B The rear has a 5/8"
bar on it, spring of unknown specs, and a 1" front bar and 550 lb
springs.

I'm particularly interested in what, if any, rear bar you are running
and how it is mounted to the body/frame, and the rear spring specs.
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From jason at multivintage.com  Wed Aug 11 09:25:29 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:25:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
In-Reply-To: <7e48d9521095a1e2f0318fdce1bc1a5a.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
References: <CC7343A3-5107-44EF-9572-AB095A92ED65@comcast.net>
	<000001cb3921$ddf424a0$99dc6de0$@com>
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Yep, I can remember several instances In the long ago past where we used to
walk the paddock after a big SCCA weekend at Road America looking for "used"
FF tires to use on our Club Raced Spitfires and Gt6's... That still had
plenty of life left in them to run up front in a Triumph in Midwestern
Council.

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:53 AM, <rjl6n at cstone.net> wrote:

> Hi Jason,
>
> On Wed, August 11, 2010 10:16 am, Jason Ostrowski wrote:
> > we use hoosier street T.D.'s and although quite expensive and
> > not long lasting (half a season for the fronts)
>
> I had to chuckle when I read that.  I guess its all relative!
> I was lucky to get two race weekends out of a set of tires
> on my FF.  If I wanted to stay at the front, I needed fresh
> tires every weekend.
>
> Thanks,
> John

From jason at multivintage.com  Wed Aug 11 09:38:52 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:38:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikpdX+1siASf6tSk8tNLC70aRH-74QBF6UBbYGs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CC7343A3-5107-44EF-9572-AB095A92ED65@comcast.net>
	<000001cb3921$ddf424a0$99dc6de0$@com>
	<AANLkTi=22-7hikyk0jnqtsoJEy9-3dkfWpts1a63dUQt@mail.gmail.com>
	<7e48d9521095a1e2f0318fdce1bc1a5a.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
	<AANLkTikpdX+1siASf6tSk8tNLC70aRH-74QBF6UBbYGs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinifFQ3T967VCa_WLs7GxmVwpRdkm58bn35uALj@mail.gmail.com>

All,
Another memory from my childhood Triumph dreams from the paddock that
concern rear suspension... You could almost tell who the fast Triumphs were
going to be by looking at the way the car sat on the jack stands. The cars
whose rear wheels and axles were flat and still nicely tucked under the
fenders were going to fly. The ones that sagged to the grass...well not so
much. When I was looking to buy a car I wanted one that when you jacked up
rear... the wheels went up too!

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>wrote:

> Yep, I can remember several instances In the long ago past where we used to
> walk the paddock after a big SCCA weekend at Road America looking for "used"
> FF tires to use on our Club Raced Spitfires and Gt6's... That still had
> plenty of life left in them to run up front in a Triumph in Midwestern
> Council.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:53 AM, <rjl6n at cstone.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jason,
>>
>> On Wed, August 11, 2010 10:16 am, Jason Ostrowski wrote:
>> > we use hoosier street T.D.'s and although quite expensive and
>> > not long lasting (half a season for the fronts)
>>
>> I had to chuckle when I read that.  I guess its all relative!
>> I was lucky to get two race weekends out of a set of tires
>> on my FF.  If I wanted to stay at the front, I needed fresh
>> tires every weekend.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John

From cofrog at q.com  Wed Aug 11 09:40:43 2010
From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:40:43 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Hoosier Speedster 205-60-15
Message-ID: <SNT140-w577EEBCA44D11A360461BED4960@phx.gbl>

If anyone going to Topeka has a Hoosier Speedster 205-60-15 with some life
left in it they want to get rid of I need one to go with the three I have to
complete a spare set of tires, I would be interested.  I'll be in the black
#144 TR4.

Thanks,

Dan Forgey

From andre at gt6.ca  Wed Aug 11 10:07:28 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:07:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinifFQ3T967VCa_WLs7GxmVwpRdkm58bn35uALj@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CC7343A3-5107-44EF-9572-AB095A92ED65@comcast.net>
	<000001cb3921$ddf424a0$99dc6de0$@com>
	<AANLkTi=22-7hikyk0jnqtsoJEy9-3dkfWpts1a63dUQt@mail.gmail.com>
	<7e48d9521095a1e2f0318fdce1bc1a5a.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
	<AANLkTikpdX+1siASf6tSk8tNLC70aRH-74QBF6UBbYGs@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinifFQ3T967VCa_WLs7GxmVwpRdkm58bn35uALj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimGnX4iqr1uUouhxmX-b9QpFtV5hi0td1GX9Mgr@mail.gmail.com>

A little rear camber?

http://andrerousseau.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/img_3685.jpg
http://andrerousseau.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/img_3687.jpg

A.

On 11 August 2010 11:38, Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com> wrote:
> All,
> Another memory from my childhood Triumph dreams from the paddock that
> concern rear suspension... You could almost tell who the fast Triumphs were
> going to be by looking at the way the car sat on the jack stands. The cars
> whose rear wheels and axles were flat and still nicely tucked under the
> fenders were going to fly. The ones that sagged to the grass...well not so
> much. When I was looking to buy a car I wanted one that when you jacked up
> rear... the wheels went up too!
>
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Jason Ostrowski
<jason at multivintage.com>wrote:
>
>> Yep, I can remember several instances In the long ago past where we used
to
>> walk the paddock after a big SCCA weekend at Road America looking for
"used"
>> FF tires to use on our Club Raced Spitfires and Gt6's... That still had
>> plenty of life left in them to run up front in a Triumph in Midwestern
>> Council.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:53 AM, <rjl6n at cstone.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jason,
>>>
>>> On Wed, August 11, 2010 10:16 am, Jason Ostrowski wrote:
>>> > we use hoosier street T.D.'s and although quite expensive and
>>> > not long lasting (half a season for the fronts)
>>>
>>> I had to chuckle when I read that.  I guess its all relative!
>>> I was lucky to get two race weekends out of a set of tires
>>> on my FF.  If I wanted to stay at the front, I needed fresh
>>> tires every weekend.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> John
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
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'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
#515 FIAT 124 Spider  - http://www.124racer.com/
Ottawa, ON, Canada

From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Wed Aug 11 10:40:23 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:40:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH TR7V8 GP4 Rally Car on Ebay
Message-ID: <4C62D277.5090504@greenheart.com>

  TRIUMPH TR7V8 GP4 Rally Car BLUE


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220647471480

From markvaden at gmail.com  Wed Aug 11 11:27:07 2010
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:27:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
In-Reply-To: <67E902AE-49D7-4CFC-815F-167B1A768DD0@earthlink.net>
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
	<67E902AE-49D7-4CFC-815F-167B1A768DD0@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikUX3daZJhE7=nyfnOmDKi6hbS=g54PkPKsc1Mi@mail.gmail.com>

Here is a video that explains why Steve is constructing a retractable rod.

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=ox316Add_kk

When my wife saw this - she responded "every inch matters".

-Mark

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>wrote:

> Mount it onto a retractable rod that can shoot forward at the start/finish
> line if necessary. :)
>
> ~Steve
>
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2010, at 12:57 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
>
> I am about to install.
>
> What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
> transponder?
>
> Any caveats?
>
> Orientation?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Aug 11 13:16:57 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:16:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimGnX4iqr1uUouhxmX-b9QpFtV5hi0td1GX9Mgr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100811151657.N5M7C.403856.imail@fed1rmwml34>

Swing axle cars have different problems.
---- Andre Rousseau <andre at gt6.ca> wrote: 

=============
A little rear camber?

http://andrerousseau.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/img_3685.jpg
http://andrerousseau.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/img_3687.jpg

A.

On 11 August 2010 11:38, Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com> wrote:
> All,
> Another memory from my childhood Triumph dreams from the paddock that
> concern rear suspension... You could almost tell who the fast Triumphs were
> going to be by looking at the way the car sat on the jack stands. The cars
> whose rear wheels and axles were flat and still nicely tucked under the
> fenders were going to fly. The ones that sagged to the grass...well not so
> much. When I was looking to buy a car I wanted one that when you jacked up
> rear... the wheels went up too!
>
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Jason Ostrowski
<jason at multivintage.com>wrote:
>
>> Yep, I can remember several instances In the long ago past where we used
to
>> walk the paddock after a big SCCA weekend at Road America looking for
"used"
>> FF tires to use on our Club Raced Spitfires and Gt6's... That still had
>> plenty of life left in them to run up front in a Triumph in Midwestern
>> Council.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:53 AM, <rjl6n at cstone.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jason,
>>>
>>> On Wed, August 11, 2010 10:16 am, Jason Ostrowski wrote:
>>> > we use hoosier street T.D.'s and although quite expensive and
>>> > not long lasting (half a season for the fronts)
>>>
>>> I had to chuckle when I read that.  I guess its all relative!
>>> I was lucky to get two race weekends out of a set of tires
>>> on my FF.  If I wanted to stay at the front, I needed fresh
>>> tires every weekend.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> John
> _______________________________________________
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>
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>



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#515 FIAT 124 Spider  - http://www.124racer.com/
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From markvaden at gmail.com  Wed Aug 11 14:34:28 2010
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:34:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikUX3daZJhE7=nyfnOmDKi6hbS=g54PkPKsc1Mi@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
	<67E902AE-49D7-4CFC-815F-167B1A768DD0@earthlink.net>
	<AANLkTikUX3daZJhE7=nyfnOmDKi6hbS=g54PkPKsc1Mi@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim6LxST7ATE1Ndsn8d5ZxtZMXxjYQ_=NmXW42FY@mail.gmail.com>

Steve was nice  enough to point out that I had the wrong link: here is the
correct one:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox316Add_kk

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Mark Vaden <markvaden at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here is a video that explains why Steve is constructing a retractable rod.
>
>
> http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=ox316Add_kk
>
> When my wife saw this - she responded "every inch matters".
>
> -Mark
>
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>wrote:
>
>> Mount it onto a retractable rod that can shoot forward at the start/finish
>> line if necessary. :)
>>
>> ~Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2010, at 12:57 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
>>
>> I am about to install.
>>
>> What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
>> transponder?
>>
>> Any caveats?
>>
>> Orientation?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Joe
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>
>
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From dave at microworks.net  Wed Aug 11 14:57:18 2010
From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:57:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW: [DCTRA] August 2010 Newsletter
Message-ID: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF034FFE@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local>

On page 8-10 of the current issue of our newsletter is a cool Voltage Stabilizer conversion one of our members came up with

 

 

http://www.dctra.org/News/Aug2010.pdf

From cofrog at q.com  Wed Aug 11 15:03:25 2010
From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 21:03:25 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Hoosier Speedster 205-60-15
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087E13D3FE@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
References: <SNT140-w577EEBCA44D11A360461BED4960@phx.gbl>,
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087E13D3FE@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <SNT140-w320E5B2CB1CA59D2270723D4960@phx.gbl>

Bob,

Thanks a bunch.  I was left with trying to obtain one or get rid of three!
See you in temperate Topeka!

Dan

> From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com
> To: cofrog at q.com
> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:40:47 -0500
> Subject: RE: [Fot] Hoosier Speedster 205-60-15
>
> I think I have one to spare. I'll bring it.
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sales Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35
> Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-272-4141 Office
> 512-657-8526 Cell
> Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
> ~Mac Anderson
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Dan Forgey
> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 10:41 AM
> To: triumph fot
> Subject: [Fot] Hoosier Speedster 205-60-15
>
> If anyone going to Topeka has a Hoosier Speedster 205-60-15 with some life
> left in it they want to get rid of I need one to go with the three I have
to
> complete a spare set of tires, I would be interested. I'll be in the black
> #144 TR4.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan Forgey
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Aug 11 16:10:48 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:10:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW: [DCTRA] August 2010 Newsletter
In-Reply-To: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF034FFE@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local>
References: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF034FFE@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local>
Message-ID: <071b01cb39a2$0e8d5660$2ba80320$@rr.com>

> On page 8-10 of the current issue of our newsletter is a cool Voltage
> Stabilizer conversion one of our members came up with

Nice article, thanks Dave & Jim.  A few comments, though:

1) The NTE 1932 regulator is rated for a 2 volt dropout (typical), meaning
it can no longer supply a regulated 10 volts if the input voltage drops
below 12 volts.  Since this would be a fairly common occurrence for most
Triumphs after, say, sitting at a stop light for an extended period, I feel
that a "low dropout" regulator like the NTE 1953 is more appropriate.  The
NTE 1953 is rated for a 0.5 volt (typical) dropout, meaning it can supply 10
volts with an input as low as 10.5 volts.  My local electronics store had
them for $3 each (although Fry's didn't).

2) There are a few minor typos in the article, eg the NTE 1932 is rated for
10.0 volts output at 1 amp; not 10.6 volts at 3 amps.

3) I recently did a similar conversion myself, but took Dan Masters'
suggestion of incorporating an LED that shows when the device has power and
ground.  I also found that the NTE 1953 at least, had a tendency to
oscillate (spoiling the regulated output), so I also incorporated a 0.1
microfarad tantalum capacitor on the input.  Sorry, no pictures, but I'll
take some next time.

4) It would be interesting to see data on how this conversion actually
"improves accuracy and consistency".  At the very least, it seems to me that
it will _increase_ the gauge rise time after the key is turned on, since the
factory "voltage stabilizer" supplies full battery voltage for the first few
seconds, instead of only 10.0 volts.  Also, since the gauges are also
thermal devices (and hence affected by temperature), the factory thermal VS
may provide for more consistent readings over a range of ambient
temperature.

But in my case, both of the VS in my parts bin were kaput, so doing the
conversion was the quick way to getting back on the road with an early TR4
temperature gauge in place of the failed aftermarket gauge on my TR3.

-- Randall 

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 11 16:30:30 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:30:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TOPEKA    FOT   PRODUCT DISPLAY   AUTOJUMBLE
Message-ID: <8CD07BBF06DEBEA-1F10-398E@webmail-d056.sysops.aol.com>

LIST:

I rented two vendor spaces for displaying a variety of 'stuff'.

10  x  40

My offer still stands to share this space for anyone else who wants to sell
used or new parts or display their products.

If need be, I'll rent more space..................................

You just need to be responsible for tagging and displaying your own stuff.

I am planning for:

Tony Drews
Christian Marx
Ed Barnard
A.R.E.
Dio Cars
Advanced Distributors  (invited and hoping to come)

Not exactly SEMA but adds to the experience of this great weekend.  Ed has got
some new cool stuff he is working with Richard Good on.
Jeff Schlemmer of Advanced Distributors will be invaluable to all of us,
hanging out in the paddock with us.

Joe Alexander

From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Wed Aug 11 18:45:49 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:45:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <B3EE405E211E44B2B588D1F485676D7E@ComputerPC>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net><000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com><4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net>
	<4C5DBB6D.20807@blacksburg.net><000c01cb36dc$b3862890$1a9279b0$@com>
	<4C606A0A.90106@pobox.com><4C6091EB.6070100@pobox.com>
	<000601cb3859$131bb9a0$39532ce0$@com>
	<B3EE405E211E44B2B588D1F485676D7E@ComputerPC>
Message-ID: <4C63443D.4000800@blacksburg.net>

On 8/10/2010 7:11 PM, Stutzman wrote:
> Do any listers have actual experience using this head gasket?
> Bruce
Yup.  I bought the gasket on Uncle Jack's recommendation and have been 
very pleased with the results.  I believe Jack said he had used them for 
years, but don't recall.  Tony?

Chris, the 0.043 inch dimension is uncompressed, but I don't believe it 
gives much.

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go

From whitedog72 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 11 19:34:32 2010
From: whitedog72 at hotmail.com (f s)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:34:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinifFQ3T967VCa_WLs7GxmVwpRdkm58bn35uALj@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CC7343A3-5107-44EF-9572-AB095A92ED65@comcast.net>,
	<000001cb3921$ddf424a0$99dc6de0$@com>,
	<AANLkTi=22-7hikyk0jnqtsoJEy9-3dkfWpts1a63dUQt@mail.gmail.com>,
	<7e48d9521095a1e2f0318fdce1bc1a5a.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>,
	<AANLkTikpdX+1siASf6tSk8tNLC70aRH-74QBF6UBbYGs@mail.gmail.com>,
	<AANLkTinifFQ3T967VCa_WLs7GxmVwpRdkm58bn35uALj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY138-W1583CA04F96472CFB0C32FC1970@phx.gbl>

Have any of you tried a very flat rear spring that is a bit longer than stock.
I did it and my car sits really low but the wheels do not have excessive
chamber due to the longer spring pushing the top of the wheels out. I thought
the car felt pretty good in the rear the last time I ran it. Unfortunately I
only had one run on this idea before I took a break to put my boy through
college.

> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:38:52 -0500
> From: jason at multivintage.com
> To: rjl6n at cstone.net
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
>
> All,
> Another memory from my childhood Triumph dreams from the paddock that
> concern rear suspension... You could almost tell who the fast Triumphs were
> going to be by looking at the way the car sat on the jack stands. The cars
> whose rear wheels and axles were flat and still nicely tucked under the
> fenders were going to fly. The ones that sagged to the grass...well not so
> much. When I was looking to buy a car I wanted one that when you jacked up
> rear... the wheels went up too!
>
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Jason Ostrowski
<jason at multivintage.com>wrote:
>
> > Yep, I can remember several instances In the long ago past where we used
to
> > walk the paddock after a big SCCA weekend at Road America looking for
"used"
> > FF tires to use on our Club Raced Spitfires and Gt6's... That still had
> > plenty of life left in them to run up front in a Triumph in Midwestern
> > Council.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:53 AM, <rjl6n at cstone.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Jason,
> >>
> >> On Wed, August 11, 2010 10:16 am, Jason Ostrowski wrote:
> >> > we use hoosier street T.D.'s and although quite expensive and
> >> > not long lasting (half a season for the fronts)
> >>
> >> I had to chuckle when I read that. I guess its all relative!
> >> I was lucky to get two race weekends out of a set of tires
> >> on my FF. If I wanted to stay at the front, I needed fresh
> >> tires every weekend.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> John
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 11 20:21:24 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:21:24 -0600
Subject: [Fot] T-Shirt order confirmation
Message-ID: <DB11CBA5-0BE4-4F2C-91FF-6981271EB587@earthlink.net>

Sorry to bomb the list again, but...
Confirmations have been sent to all who ordered. If you have ordered  
but have not got anything from me, it means I haven't received your  
payment or have made a mistake regarding your order. No need to reply  
but if you ordered a shirt and have not received confirmation, please  
let me know.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM

From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 11 22:00:26 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 21:00:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] T-Shirt order confirmation
In-Reply-To: <DB11CBA5-0BE4-4F2C-91FF-6981271EB587@earthlink.net>
References: <DB11CBA5-0BE4-4F2C-91FF-6981271EB587@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <695960.3105.qm@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

thanks to Greg for taking this on!!!!

Mike Mehl




________________________________
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Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 7:21:24 PM
Subject: [Fot] T-Shirt order confirmation

Sorry to bomb the list again, but...
Confirmations have been sent to all who ordered. If you have ordered but have 
not got anything from me, it means I haven't received your payment or have made 
a mistake regarding your order. No need to reply but if you ordered a shirt and 
have not received confirmation, please let me know.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Aug 12 00:45:03 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 01:45:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <4C63443D.4000800@blacksburg.net>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
	<4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
	<000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>
	<4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net> <4C5DBB6D.20807@blacksburg.net>
	<000c01cb36dc$b3862890$1a9279b0$@com> <4C606A0A.90106@pobox.com>
	<4C6091EB.6070100@pobox.com> <000601cb3859$131bb9a0$39532ce0$@com>
	<B3EE405E211E44B2B588D1F485676D7E@ComputerPC>
	<4C63443D.4000800@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <20100812064420.9A7A1187669@autox.team.net>

Jack had just started working with them but was pretty excited about 
them.  They seemed like they might be somewhat forgiving like a stock 
composite gasket but with better longevity.  I think that was 
probably one of the next projects on his agenda...

I should try one on my next winter rebuild.

- Tony

At 07:45 PM 8/11/2010, J.C. Hassall wrote:
>On 8/10/2010 7:11 PM, Stutzman wrote:
>>Do any listers have actual experience using this head gasket?
>>Bruce
>Yup.  I bought the gasket on Uncle Jack's recommendation and have 
>been very pleased with the results.  I believe Jack said he had used 
>them for years, but don't recall.  Tony?
>
>Chris, the 0.043 inch dimension is uncompressed, but I don't believe 
>it gives much.
>
>jim
>
>--
>Jim Hassall
>Blacksburg VA
>'63 TR4 in autox preparation
>99% finished, 90% to go
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Aug 12 07:04:16 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 09:04:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] T-Shirt order confirmation
In-Reply-To: <695960.3105.qm@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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	<695960.3105.qm@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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AMEN!

It's always a bigger job than planned.

Thanks Greg!






-----Original Message-----
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To: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>; fot Triumph
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] T-Shirt order confirmation


thanks to Greg for taking this on!!!!
Mike Mehl


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ubject: [Fot] T-Shirt order confirmation
Sorry to bomb the list again, but...
onfirmations have been sent to all who ordered. If you have ordered but have
ot got anything from me, it means I haven't received your payment or have made
 mistake regarding your order. No need to reply but if you ordered a shirt and
ave not received confirmation, please let me know.
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Aug 12 11:05:22 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:05:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND VINTAGE
 GRAND PRIX
Message-ID: <8CD0857AF3CB057-1494-89E9@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com>

TRIUMPH list:

Mark Bradakis will be our guest at the HVGP in TOPEKA next week.

Mark has made a MAJOR contribution to our hobby and we appreciate this..

If you come to Heartland Park next weekend, please stop in at the FRIENDS OF
TRIUMPH PADDOCK AREA and meet Mark Bradakis.

He will be hanging out with Kas Kastner and other cool people.

Also, if you are a VTR member or associated with the FOT, you are eligible for
a high quality event poster sponsored by the VTR and it's Pesident, Blake
Discher.

Joe A.

From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Aug 12 11:50:25 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 10:50:25 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND VINTAGE
 GRAND PRIX
References: <8CD0857AF3CB057-1494-89E9@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <9AA4BAB5BB2E49B5B86FDE99D6E777C5@Bud>

I won't be there..but I sure am glad to see this happening for Mark...Thanks 
Mark ..For your incredible Work for the Motoring World...
Racer bud
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 10:05 AM
Subject: [Fot] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND VINTAGE 
GRAND PRIX


> TRIUMPH list:
>
> Mark Bradakis will be our guest at the HVGP in TOPEKA next week.
>
> Mark has made a MAJOR contribution to our hobby and we appreciate this..
>
> If you come to Heartland Park next weekend, please stop in at the FRIENDS 
> OF
> TRIUMPH PADDOCK AREA and meet Mark Bradakis.
>
> He will be hanging out with Kas Kastner and other cool people.
>
> Also, if you are a VTR member or associated with the FOT, you are eligible 
> for
> a high quality event poster sponsored by the VTR and it's Pesident, Blake
> Discher.
>
> Joe A.
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Aug 12 12:26:58 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:26:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMBROs AT HEARTLAND PARK - Heartland Vintage Grand Prix -
 Bill Ames Memorial
Message-ID: <8CD0863156AF5DC-1788-B4@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com>

There will be three of the historic Ambros at Heartland Park next weekend.

Newly restored V-8 powered AMBRO of Mike Fuchs.....OMAHA. Mike will be driving
it on track. It's appearance is being coordinated by FOT Bill Redinger of
OMAHA.

HOT and FAST V-8 powered AMBRO-DIO of Bill Bonadio.....OKLAHOMA CITY.  Bill is
having a hip replacement  on Friday and he may only have it on display.

Newly finished TR4 powered AMBRO of A.R.E.......JESUP, IOWA.   This a racing
debut with this car..

BILL AMES MEMORIAL:  The Bill Ames Memorial plaque will be passed from Larry
Young to the next recipient, at the HVGP.

This plaque is in honor of BILL AMES, one of the originators of the AMBRO,
along with Dewey Brohaugh. (Ames and Brohaugh are recognized in Harold Pace's
American Road Racing Specials) Bill had the talent and spirit we have in the
FOT. In his 60s he left us in 1998.

=

From rjl6n at cstone.net  Thu Aug 12 12:29:28 2010
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:29:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND VINTAGE
 GRAND PRIX
In-Reply-To: <8CD0857AF3CB057-1494-89E9@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD0857AF3CB057-1494-89E9@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <7230c78176953c7b9ef6c2fdd26c9925.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

Awesome - MJB truly deserves this, congratulations!

I wish I could be there to congratulate Mark, but
this will have to do.

Mark, thanks for all you do,
John

On Thu, August 12, 2010 1:05 pm, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> TRIUMPH list:
>
> Mark Bradakis will be our guest at the HVGP in TOPEKA next week.
>
> Mark has made a MAJOR contribution to our hobby and we appreciate this..
>
> If you come to Heartland Park next weekend, please stop in at the FRIENDS
> OF
> TRIUMPH PADDOCK AREA and meet Mark Bradakis.
>
> He will be hanging out with Kas Kastner and other cool people.
>
> Also, if you are a VTR member or associated with the FOT, you are eligible
> for
> a high quality event poster sponsored by the VTR and it's Pesident, Blake
> Discher.
>
> Joe A.
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 12 14:18:14 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:18:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR3 query
Message-ID: <B4785FE1-A6AF-4BE2-AC67-531138F5EC45@earthlink.net>

Hello All,
Can anyone help with commission # TS69978L, engine # TS48253E ?
Where do these numbers fit into total production? Likely year of  
manufacture? The plate adjacent to the Commission plate says:
          T R I U M P H
             S T C - 6 2
I've never noticed this plate on other TR3's. It is screwed on unlike  
the comm. plate which it riveted. Might it signify 1962?
And finally, might this be a 2138cc or did they all have CT numbers.
Thanks in advance,
And CHEERS to Mark! Look forward to meeting you in Topeka.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM 

From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Aug 12 15:04:33 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:04:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 query
References: <B4785FE1-A6AF-4BE2-AC67-531138F5EC45@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E85E75CEC3B941CA83F4D15CA087D995@Bud>

Hi greg....your chassis # is TR3A (ts22014-ts83572)..your chassis is a late 
one, so I bet the STC-62 has something to do with the car being a 1961, but 
sold as a 1962 because the dealer still had it on his lot...It was very 
common to simply sell the car as a later year if still in the 
inventory....your engiine # is TR3A..TS22014E and on..The .TR3 B was 
TSF(1991cc) orTCF(2138cc)
Racer Bud.,,
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "fot Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 1:18 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR3 query


> Hello All,
> Can anyone help with commission # TS69978L, engine # TS48253E ?
> Where do these numbers fit into total production? Likely year of 
> manufacture? The plate adjacent to the Commission plate says:
>          T R I U M P H
>             S T C - 6 2
> I've never noticed this plate on other TR3's. It is screwed on unlike  the 
> comm. plate which it riveted. Might it signify 1962?
> And finally, might this be a 2138cc or did they all have CT numbers.
> Thanks in advance,
> And CHEERS to Mark! Look forward to meeting you in Topeka.
>
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 12 15:08:40 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:08:40 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Query answered
In-Reply-To: <EEF387CB76AB9B4083293A0052ADEEC31B7E663E53@SEPEX11.oppd.oppd-ds.com>
References: <B4785FE1-A6AF-4BE2-AC67-531138F5EC45@earthlink.net>
	<EEF387CB76AB9B4083293A0052ADEEC31B7E663E53@SEPEX11.oppd.oppd-ds.com>
Message-ID: <A28634FB-A021-4D25-88D3-65196290A685@earthlink.net>

Instant answers thanks to Bill Redinger.
On Aug 12, 2010, at 2:59 PM, REDINGER, WILLIAM E wrote:

> Greg
>
> Your car was manufactured February 1960,with all of the latest TR3A  
> changes on it. The engine is not the original one as it has an  
> earlier engine number, when it should have near the same number as  
> the commission number up to about 1000 numbers higher. By late 1960  
> TR3a's were not selling well in anticipation of the new TR4, so  
> some late TR3a's got to the dealers late and then sat waiting a  
> sale. Dealers installed tags like the one you described to make  
> them seem like newer model years. In this simpler time dealers  
> titled the car in the model year that the car was sold in IE Sept  
> 1961 would make it a 1962 Model. Many of TR's are titled that way.  
> More than likely yours has a 1962 year title? TR3B were also hard  
> to move with lots of them titled 1963 when they were produced in 1961.
>
> Hope this Helps. British Motor Heritage Trust can do a title search  
> on your vehicle for a fee and give you all the details on your car  
> as to date, colors and options it had on it from the factory.
>
> Best of luck
>
> Bill Redinger
> VTR-TR2&3 Vehicle Consultant
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- 
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 3:18 PM
> To: fot Triumph
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 query
>
> Hello All,
> Can anyone help with commission # TS69978L, engine # TS48253E ?
> Where do these numbers fit into total production? Likely year of
> manufacture? The plate adjacent to the Commission plate says:
>           T R I U M P H
>              S T C - 6 2
> I've never noticed this plate on other TR3's. It is screwed on unlike
> the comm. plate which it riveted. Might it signify 1962?
> And finally, might this be a 2138cc or did they all have CT numbers.
> Thanks in advance,
> And CHEERS to Mark! Look forward to meeting you in Topeka.
>
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Aug 12 15:32:13 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:32:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 query
In-Reply-To: <B4785FE1-A6AF-4BE2-AC67-531138F5EC45@earthlink.net>
References: <B4785FE1-A6AF-4BE2-AC67-531138F5EC45@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <026201cb3a65$d4b3eb60$7e1bc220$@rr.com>

> Can anyone help with commission # TS69978L, engine # TS48253E ?
> Where do these numbers fit into total production? Likely year of
> manufacture?

That would seem to indicate the car was made fairly early in 1960, but the
engine is from an early 1959.  Last TR3A (in 1961) was TS83572, so it's
fairly late in overall TR2-3 production.  (Another 3500 or so TR3Bs were
made in 1962.)

>           T R I U M P H
>              S T C - 6 2

Those plates were apparently added by some (possibly all) US dealers, after
about 1960, only when selling cars as a later model.  So the "62" likely
does indicate that the car was sold "new" in 1962.  Here's a (poor) shot of
the STC tag on my Sports 6:
http://tinyurl.com/2awrm8l

> And finally, might this be a 2138cc or did they all have CT numbers.

I believe 2138cc was available as an option at that time, so it might have
been.  Only way to be sure AFAIK is to get a copy of the build certificate,
as the engine displacement was not marked anywhere else.  But since it is so
easy to change (and the 87mm liners were actually cheaper for quite a few
years), there is no telling what's in there now, short of measuring it in
some fashion.

-- Randall 

From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Aug 12 18:10:14 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 18:10:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND
 VINTAGE GRAND PRIX
In-Reply-To: <8CD0857AF3CB057-1494-89E9@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD0857AF3CB057-1494-89E9@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C648D66.2090805@bradakis.com>

Gee, it sounds so official!  And interesting timing.  A few folks on the
Triumph list might have some less complementary comments regarding
my handling of Team.Net.  So it goes.

By this time next week I'll be zipping down the road in my little red
Honda, heading for Heartland Park.  Should be a good weekend!

mjb.

From herald948 at aol.com  Thu Aug 12 20:09:19 2010
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 22:09:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] telescopic shocks for rear of TR4
Message-ID: <8CD08A3AC1AE749-838-71DD@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com>

 The subject line might be a bit misleading, as I'm not referring to any of
the currently available kits.

Thing is, last night I found my copy (1966 printing) of the Dave Allen/Dick
Strome _Triumph Guide_. Being easily distracted these days (why did I start
this e-mail...oh, yeah), I started leafing through and came upon something
very interesting at the end of the chapter on the "new" TR4.

There is a list of "Optional Equipment: (Under Development, to be released in
1962)" that shows, among other items (Part #0-02054TR4) Rear Shock Abserbor
[sic] (telescopic).

Perhaps Kas...or Mike Cook...or someone else can tell me if this is something
that ever did come about? I wonder, given the several kits recently available
from various sources, and the discussion / controversy / debate around same.

Anyone?

For anyone who's never seen this book, it's a great resource, worth whatever
you pay just for the description of the development of the TR2 and Ken
Rawlings' building of Buttercup! (If you don't know what "Buttercup" is, you
don't belong on this list! :-) )



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
Database: http://triumph-herald.us

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Aug 12 20:48:14 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 22:48:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] RAMADA INN     HVR ROOMS
Message-ID: <8CD08A91BFE0C10-1994-B6BF@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com>

TOPEKA BOUND?

I just received a report that all of the HVR rooms are taken.

With some discussion you might get them to add more rooms.

Doesnt hurt to ask....

Looks like we are seeing some last minute growth in attendees and entries.

WEATHER: Temperature is in a trend downwards Iowa will see 59/80 next week.

Joe

From mlcooknj at msn.com  Thu Aug 12 20:55:10 2010
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 22:55:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] telescopic shocks for rear of TR4
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Hi Andy -

The telescopic shock kit never happened. It would have been most interesting
to racers and the SCCA rules didn't allow the conversion.

Mike

> To: fot at autox.team.net
> From: herald948 at aol.com
> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 22:09:19 -0400
> Subject: [Fot] telescopic shocks for rear of TR4
>
> The subject line might be a bit misleading, as I'm not referring to any of
> the currently available kits.
>
> Thing is, last night I found my copy (1966 printing) of the Dave Allen/Dick
> Strome _Triumph Guide_. Being easily distracted these days (why did I start
> this e-mail...oh, yeah), I started leafing through and came upon something
> very interesting at the end of the chapter on the "new" TR4.
>
> There is a list of "Optional Equipment: (Under Development, to be released
in
> 1962)" that shows, among other items (Part #0-02054TR4) Rear Shock Abserbor
> [sic] (telescopic).
>
> Perhaps Kas...or Mike Cook...or someone else can tell me if this is
something
> that ever did come about? I wonder, given the several kits recently
available
> from various sources, and the discussion / controversy / debate around
same.
>
> Anyone?
>
> For anyone who's never seen this book, it's a great resource, worth
whatever
> you pay just for the description of the development of the TR2 and Ken
> Rawlings' building of Buttercup! (If you don't know what "Buttercup" is,
you
> don't belong on this list! :-) )
>
>
>
> --Andy Mace
>
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Thu Aug 12 21:00:38 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 20:00:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
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Message-ID: <D9E3EAABB66C4A6992FC82466CA1CB3A@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

That was cool.  In the days before transponders, my wife and I used to work
timing and scoring a lot.  I remember Chuck Billington and Tom Foster were
racing the Tracer C Sports Racers nose to tail all the time.  I know we
called one race between them a dead heat since there were no cameras and no
one could tell who was in front at the finish line.  They loved it. 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mark Vaden
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 1:34 PM
To: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions


Steve was nice  enough to point out that I had the wrong link: here is the
correct one:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox316Add_kk

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Mark Vaden <markvaden at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here is a video that explains why Steve is constructing a retractable 
> rod.
>
>
> http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v
> =ox316Add_kk
>
> When my wife saw this - she responded "every inch matters".
>
> -Mark
>
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Steven Belfer 
> <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>wrote:
>
>> Mount it onto a retractable rod that can shoot forward at the 
>> start/finish line if necessary. :)
>>
>> ~Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2010, at 12:57 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
>>
>> I am about to install.
>>
>> What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the 
>> transponder?
>>
>> Any caveats?
>>
>> Orientation?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Joe
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From triumphs at consolidated.net  Thu Aug 12 21:54:15 2010
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home PC)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 22:54:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 query
References: <B4785FE1-A6AF-4BE2-AC67-531138F5EC45@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <89CA5A3D58ED45B7802322C31C355864@0817C93C637E473>

Going from memory the chassis (body etc.) should be a 1960 or 1961 model and 
the engine is out of an earlier car (probably '57 or '58.)  (There is a 
Swedish web site that could tells us exactly) Mine was built in Ausugt 1959 
and chassis # TS57756L.

The total production (through 1963) was something like 86,000+- but '59 was 
the biggest production year and they could have hit ran the number that high 
in those next couple of years.

The engine number is enough lower I would guess it has had an earlier 
replacement at some point.  Chassis number and engine number never matched 
exactly, but the were usually closer that that.

I think they all had the STC number plate and as I recall it has no 
particular significance. Most have another number plate on the front chassis 
cross member.

As far as displacement, tough to say since oversized liners have been 
availabe almost since new.  I guess it started life as a 1998 cc, but who 
knows what it might be today.

That sound like a "spit and shine" question rather than a racers question 
:-)

Ken Gano



> Hello All,
> Can anyone help with commission # TS69978L, engine # TS48253E ?
> Where do these numbers fit into total production? Likely year of
> manufacture? The plate adjacent to the Commission plate says:
>          T R I U M P H
>             S T C - 6 2
> I've never noticed this plate on other TR3's. It is screwed on unlike
> the comm. plate which it riveted. Might it signify 1962?
> And finally, might this be a 2138cc or did they all have CT numbers.
> Thanks in advance,
> And CHEERS to Mark! Look forward to meeting you in Topeka.
>
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
> _______________________________________________

From dlhogye at comcast.net  Thu Aug 12 23:33:12 2010
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 05:33:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 query
In-Reply-To: <460143315.1294701.1281677427205.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Greg, 
That stc# is the year sold tag and they were screwed on. My car #46235 was built in March '59, shipped to Cal Sales, Dorothy Deans dealership, in Glendale Ca. in April '59, but the year sold tag has STC 60 and the title says first year sold 1960. You can send your number info to The Heritage Trust Museum in the UK to find out the specifics. They'll list all the info they have on the numbers as well as the options the car was sold with. It's nice info to have, and I think it cost around $50. They send you a formal certificate with official stampings and signatures. 
The frame # on the cross member of my car is related to the month and year the frame was made. Mine is Z 2 9. Feb.'59 is consistent with the my cars build date of March '59. 


See you next week in Topeka, 
Dave 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Gano, home PC" <triumphs at consolidated.net> 
To: "fot Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>, "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" <Lunkercars at earthlink.net> 
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:54:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 query 

Going from memory the chassis (body etc.) should be a 1960 or 1961 model and 
the engine is out of an earlier car (probably '57 or '58.) (There is a 
Swedish web site that could tells us exactly) Mine was built in Ausugt 1959 
and chassis # TS57756L. 

The total production (through 1963) was something like 86,000+- but '59 was 
the biggest production year and they could have hit ran the number that high 
in those next couple of years. 

The engine number is enough lower I would guess it has had an earlier 
replacement at some point. Chassis number and engine number never matched 
exactly, but the were usually closer that that. 

I think they all had the STC number plate and as I recall it has no 
particular significance. Most have another number plate on the front chassis 
cross member. 

As far as displacement, tough to say since oversized liners have been 
availabe almost since new. I guess it started life as a 1998 cc, but who 
knows what it might be today. 

That sound like a "spit and shine" question rather than a racers question 
:-) 

Ken Gano 



> Hello All, 
> Can anyone help with commission # TS69978L, engine # TS48253E ? 
> Where do these numbers fit into total production? Likely year of 
> manufacture? The plate adjacent to the Commission plate says: 
> T R I U M P H 
> S T C - 6 2 
> I've never noticed this plate on other TR3's. It is screwed on unlike 
> the comm. plate which it riveted. Might it signify 1962? 
> And finally, might this be a 2138cc or did they all have CT numbers. 
> Thanks in advance, 
> And CHEERS to Mark! Look forward to meeting you in Topeka. 
> 
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer 
> TR4 #314 
> Albuquerque NM 
> _______________________________________________ 
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From ikorey at comcast.net  Fri Aug 13 06:32:59 2010
From: ikorey at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 07:32:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] telescopic shocks for rear of TR4
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On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Andrew Mace <herald948 at aol.com> wrote:

There is a list of "Optional Equipment: (Under Development, to be released
> in
> 1962)" that shows, among other items (Part #0-02054TR4) Rear Shock Abserbor
> [sic] (telescopic).
>


Whether any were ever actually allowed by the SCCA or not, there IS a
version of the SCCA GCR that does list as acceptable a tube shock conversion
for the TR4. Bill Dentinger showed it to me before I bought my car in 1992.
I no longer have that GCR as it went to the new owner of my car when I sold
it in 2008. But I'm sure Bill still has it. It may be the 1961 edition.

Irv Korey

From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Fri Aug 13 07:07:33 2010
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 06:07:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] RAMADA INN     HVR ROOMS
In-Reply-To: <8CD08A91BFE0C10-1994-B6BF@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <506840.42839.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Joe: Stop that temperature teasing. Yesterday the thermometer outside the shop said 107. Great advert for the race weekend..."come to Kansas and cool down"!
-Ed-

--- On Thu, 8/12/10, n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:


From: n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Subject: [Fot] RAMADA INN HVR ROOMS
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: brinke at cebridge.net
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 9:48 PM


TOPEKA BOUND?

I just received a report that all of the HVR rooms are taken.

With some discussion you might get them to add more rooms.

Doesnt hurt to ask....

Looks like we are seeing some last minute growth in attendees and entries.

WEATHER: Temperature is in a trend downwards Iowa will see 59/80 next week.

Joe
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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Fri Aug 13 07:14:22 2010
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:14:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND
 VINTAGE GRAND PRIX
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Good Job (keep it up)

Craig


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[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 1:05 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND VINTAGE
GRAND PRIX

TRIUMPH list:

Mark Bradakis will be our guest at the HVGP in TOPEKA next week.

Mark has made a MAJOR contribution to our hobby and we appreciate this..

If you come to Heartland Park next weekend, please stop in at the FRIENDS OF
TRIUMPH PADDOCK AREA and meet Mark Bradakis.

He will be hanging out with Kas Kastner and other cool people.

Also, if you are a VTR member or associated with the FOT, you are eligible
for
a high quality event poster sponsored by the VTR and it's Pesident, Blake
Discher.

Joe A.

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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Aug 13 08:42:57 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:42:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TOPEKA  FOT   PHOTOGRAPHER    VOLUNTEER
Message-ID: <8CD090CF4B03708-13E0-CA37@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>

FOT

I am looking for a volunteer to organize a GROUP SHOT of the FOT.

We cant let an opportunity pass like this.

We might consider doing one of all of the TR4s, too.

It should be suitable for publication with the requisite credits.

There is an open house at the track on FRIDAY night for the locals. This might
be a way to show your stuff and us get pictures.

Please help.

Joe A.

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Aug 13 08:49:45 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:49:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PERFORMANCE TRIUMPH CAMSHAFT DESIGNER TO MAKE APPEARANCE AT
 TOPEKA
Message-ID: <8CD090DE7E72EBB-2268-9@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>

TRIUMPH OWNERS:

LARRY YOUNG, camshaft designer will be bringing a sample to place on display
and for discussion.

Several of us are running Larry's camshafts and we are very pleased with the
design.

He will be in the paddock with us during the weekend and available to discuss
custom camshaft designs.

There's a lot of talent in the FOT....USE IT!

Joe A.

From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug 13 09:23:20 2010
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 08:23:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND VINTAGE
 GRAND PRIX
In-Reply-To: <9AA4BAB5BB2E49B5B86FDE99D6E777C5@Bud>
Message-ID: <976633.73778.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Same from me Mark,
 
  Not only have you made a major contribution to the group, but you realize
that its really kinda all your fault that we are even here to have fun
together...
 
 
HUGE thanks to you from all of us ;>)


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire

--- On Thu, 8/12/10, RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:


From: RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND VINTAGE
GRAND PRIX
To: triumphs at autox.team.net, n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 12:50 PM


I won't be there..but I sure am glad to see this happening for Mark...Thanks
Mark ..For your incredible Work for the Motoring World...
Racer bud
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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 10:05 AM
Subject: [Fot] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND VINTAGE GRAND
PRIX


> TRIUMPH list:
>
> Mark Bradakis will be our guest at the HVGP in TOPEKA next week.
>
> Mark has made a MAJOR contribution to our hobby and we appreciate this..
>
> If you come to Heartland Park next weekend, please stop in at the FRIENDS
OF
> TRIUMPH PADDOCK AREA and meet Mark Bradakis.
>
> He will be hanging out with Kas Kastner and other cool people.
>
> Also, if you are a VTR member or associated with the FOT, you are eligible
for
> a high quality event poster sponsored by the VTR and it's Pesident, Blake
> Discher.
>
> Joe A.
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Aug 13 09:42:41 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:42:41 +0200
Subject: [Fot] PERFORMANCE TRIUMPH CAMSHAFT DESIGNER TO MAKE APPEARANCE
 AT TOPEKA
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He should bring also lifters so that people can test them on the fly ;-)

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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An: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] PERFORMANCE TRIUMPH CAMSHAFT DESIGNER TO MAKE APPEARANCE AT
TOPEKA

TRIUMPH OWNERS:

LARRY YOUNG, camshaft designer will be bringing a sample to place on display
and for discussion.

Several of us are running Larry's camshafts and we are very pleased with the
design.

He will be in the paddock with us during the weekend and available to
discuss
custom camshaft designs.

There's a lot of talent in the FOT....USE IT!

Joe A.
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Fri Aug 13 13:17:59 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:17:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] RAMADA INN     HVR ROOMS
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A cool (or rather not quite so hot) front is coming through on Sunday.  
It will probably stall before reaching Texas though.  Sorry Ed.  Kansas 
and Oklahoma will have lows in the 70s next week.
Larry

EDWARD BARNARD wrote:
> Joe: Stop that temperature teasing. Yesterday the thermometer outside the shop said 107. Great advert for the race weekend..."come to Kansas and cool down"!
> -Ed-

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Aug 13 17:22:03 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:22:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] ADVANCED DISTRIBUTORS trying to come to TOPEKA
Message-ID: <8CD095578F761D2-1074-4F5D@Webmail-m110.sysops.aol.com>

JEFF SCHLEMMER called a couple of times this week.

He is trying to clear his bench of 7 race car distributors before he leaves.

He wants to spend the weekend with the FOT and hang out and help.

Kind of a working vacation.

The price of success...your life is not your own anymore.

I hope he makes it but there are 7 racers depending on him.

Our weekend would be enhanced if he makes it.

Joe A

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Aug 13 18:11:46 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:11:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4    SCROLL SEAL CENTERING TOOL    THEY ARE DONE!
Message-ID: <8CD095C6B274572-2634-14F32@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com>

FOT,


A.R.E. produced these scroll centering tools in conjunction with Chris' VITON
SEAL CONVERSION project.

There are some folks interested in the centering tool by itself......SO,

$27.00 PayPal   to    n197tr4 at cs.com   will get you a centering tool shipped
to your tool box.

We researched the correct dimensions and these tools reflect that research. We
might surmise that the large scroll seal dimension is in error in the Factory
Manual as it appears to be too large for the split scroll seal by several
thousandths.

I contacted Moss as they offer a centering tool and we are discussing the
apparent discrepancy. We expect Moss to adopt our dimensions and Kas has
already used those dimensions in his new book.

So if you want/need what we think is a proper scroll seal centering tool at a
low cost, please go to my PayPal account. This assembly tool will work on the
stock seal or the conversion kit.

If you want our scroll seal conversion kit, with Chris' Viton Seal, the seals
will be in transit shortly.  I have exchange units on the shelf of the
modified OEM scroll seals. You might consider rounding up your exchange scroll
seal.

Regards,

Joe A.

From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Fri Aug 13 18:19:27 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:19:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] RAMADA INN     HVR ROOMS
In-Reply-To: <4C659A67.10100@pobox.com>
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It's not the lows it's the highs. We were in the 70's last night, over 100 in
the daytime.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson




-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Larry Young
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 2:18 PM
To: EDWARD BARNARD
Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] RAMADA INN HVR ROOMS

A cool (or rather not quite so hot) front is coming through on Sunday.
It will probably stall before reaching Texas though.  Sorry Ed.  Kansas
and Oklahoma will have lows in the 70s next week.
Larry

EDWARD BARNARD wrote:
> Joe: Stop that temperature teasing. Yesterday the thermometer outside the
shop said 107. Great advert for the race weekend..."come to Kansas and cool
down"!
> -Ed-
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From rikrock at live.com  Sat Aug 14 04:22:46 2010
From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 06:22:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Duryea Hillclimb
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While many of you will be at Heartland next weekend, there will be some
Triumphs in Reading, PA for the Duryea Hillclimb.  Registered at this time
are:

TR4's....Dennis Williams, Dave Miller
TR7.......Tim Williams
TR6's.....Richard Good, JK Jackson


It's not too late to enter.  Just go to www.pahillclimb.org and download an
entry form

Rich Rock
Chairman, Duryea Hillclimb

From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Sat Aug 14 05:16:18 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 07:16:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] misc
Message-ID: <028601cb3ba2$1eec6260$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

Hi all, I saw a TVR on e-bay for sale in Perrysville, IN. Know anything about
this Joe?
Also a barn find TR6 race car project in Salado TX. Bob, that's your neck of
the woods isn't it? Looks interesting.
Someone else has a "project" TR6 and a Spit on e-bay. Lots of projects, too
little time.
Bill

From atr6racer at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 14 05:49:47 2010
From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 07:49:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Shelby wheels for sale
Message-ID: <SNT136-w58CD9B1097509363B4A3F1F9990@phx.gbl>

I have 10 15 x 7" wheels with a 4 x 4.5" bolt pattern for a Triumph with a
3.5" backspace. These are Shelby American sloted polished aluminum wheels.
Extremely light and 8 are in great shape, 2 not so great. I bought them new in
1975 and have not used them since 1987. I'll bring them to Heartland park next
weekend. $300 for a set of four and a not so good wheel for free for a spare.
That's them in the photo from 1976 with my Pop taking his first victory lap,
on Father's day no less! My all time favorite picture! Anyway if anyone has an
interest look me up in the paddock at HPT next weekend. I'm looking forward to
seeing everyone!

Sam Halkias

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg]

From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Aug 14 07:20:56 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 07:20:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] misc
In-Reply-To: <028601cb3ba2$1eec6260$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
References: <028601cb3ba2$1eec6260$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <4C669838.1030100@bradakis.com>

 > Lots of projects, too little time.

I know the feeling:

http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=48


mjb.

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Aug 14 09:21:35 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:21:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] misc
References: <028601cb3ba2$1eec6260$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <AA5CAFCA818F4C77AB78D754615D18B6@latitudefb1e41>

The TR6 barn find in Salado is an interesting car. It has some race car 
goodies but I think they want too much for what is essentially a basket case 
TR6. The fenders are flared with metal spliced in. The engine is built to 
some race standard but there is no telling if it has important stuff like 
cam bearings. In my book it needs to be torn down regardless and there is no 
claim of anything like Carillo rods, no Webers. I think they got a PI setup 
with the spares but it is my understanding that they are selling the spares 
separately. The headers look like small tube GT6 size to me. It came with a 
couple of overdrive tansmissions and some sort of locked diff. There is no 
sign of ever having a roll cage installed. My guess is that the original car 
was autocrossed.

Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
excellence.
Vince Lombardi
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 6:16 AM
Subject: [Fot] misc


> Hi all, I saw a TVR on e-bay for sale in Perrysville, IN. Know anything 
> about
> this Joe?
> Also a barn find TR6 race car project in Salado TX. Bob, that's your neck 
> of
> the woods isn't it? Looks interesting.
> Someone else has a "project" TR6 and a Spit on e-bay. Lots of projects, 
> too
> little time.
> Bill
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Sat Aug 14 11:14:55 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 13:14:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] misc
Message-ID: <da0e.5efb8c97.3998290f@aol.com>

In a message dated 08/14/2010 6:33:08 AM Central Daylight Time, 
william.tobin3 at verizon.net writes:


> Hi all, I saw a TVR on e-bay for sale in Perrysville, IN. Know anything 
> about
> this Joe?
> 

Amici...

Speaking of TVRs...I can't remember if there has been much posted about it 
on FOT, but Dennis Delap has just finished an awesome restoration of a 
Triumph powered TVR.  Sure runs good on the race track too.  Dennis is an 
architect in his other life, and that fact hangs out all over in the 'Presentation' 
of his race cars.  They are always GORGEOUS.

Speaking of AWESOME and GORGEOUS...there is a super picture of Bill Babcock 
and the Peyote in the current issue of VINTAGE MOTORSPORT.  The Peyote was 
always AWESOME, but these days thanks, to Bill and some talented 
helpers...the term GORGEOUS fits pretty well too.

Sorry to be missing Heartland next week end (Bob Wismer (TR4) and I (TR3) 
will be racing at GRATTAN near Grand Rapids, but warmest regards to one and 
all.  Go FAST, race SAFE, and celebrate.

Bill Dentinger

From GRMTim at aol.com  Sat Aug 14 18:54:11 2010
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 20:54:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
Message-ID: <120528.4f4aa335.399894b3@aol.com>

I outlined all the tricks Group 44, Inc. used in a story, so anyone 
interested could duplicate it. The car handles very well and won a national 
championship with that set up. 

I am not sure if changing to something else would net a better car or not 
in this day and age. Let me know if you didn't see it and I will get it to 
you.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723

From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com  Sun Aug 15 07:57:15 2010
From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 09:57:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Ever seen this one???
Message-ID: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com>

Oil in the radiator WITHOUT oil in the water? Figuring head gasket but 
seems strange... I know I have a head bolt issue. New block had a repair 
- machinist said it looked good but it topped out at 90 ft lbs.

Had interesting overheating issue - runs fine 180-190 but when I turn it 
off, the water boils in the motor/radiator. 50:50 prestone... 4 lb cap. 
Water goes into overflow bottle but does not appear to be pulled back 
into the radiator when the engine cools. This was before the oil / 
radiator issue.

M

From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Sun Aug 15 09:09:50 2010
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 09:09:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Support your little brothers,
 Order Puckett event regalia now!  [1 Attachment]
In-Reply-To: <117676.81525.qm@web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <117676.81525.qm@web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT134-w64C58FA30A36E9C3B19107909A0@phx.gbl>

Hello Triumph guys, Here's another unsolicited sale offer where you can
support your little brothers in the H modified "Over the Hill Gang" through
the purchase of some of our event regalia.  We are trying to have a yearly
event where the little cars can meet and run together and we are financing the
awards through sales of shirts, posters and dash plaques.  This year we will
be at the CSRG Charity Challenge at Infineon October 1.  Take a look at the
attached artwork and email me back if you are interested.

Cheers, Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM
TR4,TR6,TR7, AH 3000, Elva Courier, Hmod Bunce Buck



Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 07:49:40 -0700
From: hmodrenault at yahoo.com
Subject: Fw: [hmod] Order Puckett event regalia now! [1 Attachment]
To: dos_gusanos at msn.com







--- On Thu, 8/12/10, Henry Morrison <hmodrenault at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Henry Morrison <hmodrenault at yahoo.com>
Subject: [hmod] Order Puckett event regalia now! [1 Attachment]
To: "Hmod" <hmod at yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 10:20 PM





[Attachment(s) from Henry Morrison included below]





Greetings Over the Hill Gang,
It is time to support Hmod racing by purchasing your Puckett Cup regalia now.
Jamie Pfeifer has produced an excellent design featuring long time H-Mod
participants. R to L, Marty Stein, Siata, Don Baldocchi, Nardi Crosley and Don
Racine, Aardvark.

Three items will be available featuring the artwork:

Dash Plaque (free to event participants)   otherwise $5

T-
shirts.......................................................................
..$20

24" X 24" Poster..........................................................$15

Postage
.......................................................................$6.00
for a small flat rate Box via mail

or take delivery at the event.

I have until August 27 to collect orders, there will be a few extra available
at the event.

 Send checks to:  Henry Morrison
                               8 Punto Alto Ct.
                               Cedar Crest, NM 87008

Or I suppose I can take paypal at dos_gusanos at msn.com

Please include your size S, M, L, XL, XXL etc.

All proceeds will go to cover the costs of the Puckett Cup at the CSRG Charity
Challenge.

Thank you,   Henry Morrison

__._,_.___
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1 of 1 Photo(s)



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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Aug 15 10:13:36 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:13:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Support your little brothers,
 Order Puckett event  regalia now!  [1 Attachment]
In-Reply-To: <SNT134-w64C58FA30A36E9C3B19107909A0@phx.gbl>
References: <117676.81525.qm@web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<SNT134-w64C58FA30A36E9C3B19107909A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CD0AABF334486E-2634-29F61@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com>

ah yes,  in honor of Joe Puckett




-----Original Message-----
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Aug 15, 2010 10:09 am
Subject: [Fot] Support your little brothers, Order Puckett event regalia now!
[1 Attachment]


Hello Triumph guys, Here's another unsolicited sale offer where you can
upport your little brothers in the H modified "Over the Hill Gang" through
he purchase of some of our event regalia.  We are trying to have a yearly
vent where the little cars can meet and run together and we are financing the
wards through sales of shirts, posters and dash plaques.  This year we will
e at the CSRG Charity Challenge at Infineon October 1.  Take a look at the
ttached artwork and email me back if you are interested.
Cheers, Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM
R4,TR6,TR7, AH 3000, Elva Courier, Hmod Bunce Buck

Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 07:49:40 -0700
rom: hmodrenault at yahoo.com
ubject: Fw: [hmod] Order Puckett event regalia now! [1 Attachment]
o: dos_gusanos at msn.com



--- On Thu, 8/12/10, Henry Morrison <hmodrenault at yahoo.com> wrote:

rom: Henry Morrison <hmodrenault at yahoo.com>
ubject: [hmod] Order Puckett event regalia now! [1 Attachment]
o: "Hmod" <hmod at yahoogroups.com>
ate: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 10:20 PM


[Attachment(s) from Henry Morrison included below]


Greetings Over the Hill Gang,
t is time to support Hmod racing by purchasing your Puckett Cup regalia now.
amie Pfeifer has produced an excellent design featuring long time H-Mod
articipants. R to L, Marty Stein, Siata, Don Baldocchi, Nardi Crosley and Don
acine, Aardvark.
Three items will be available featuring the artwork:
Dash Plaque (free to event participants)   otherwise $5
T-
hirts.......................................................................
.$20
24" X 24" Poster..........................................................$15
Postage
......................................................................$6.00
or a small flat rate Box via mail
or take delivery at the event.
I have until August 27 to collect orders, there will be a few extra available
t the event.
 Send checks to:  Henry Morrison
                              8 Punto Alto Ct.
                              Cedar Crest, NM 87008
Or I suppose I can take paypal at dos_gusanos at msn.com
Please include your size S, M, L, XL, XXL etc.
All proceeds will go to cover the costs of the Puckett Cup at the CSRG
Charity
hallenge.
Thank you,   Henry Morrison
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 of 1 Photo(s)

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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Sun Aug 15 11:32:28 2010
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 11:32:28 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW: [hmod] Order Puckett event regalia now! [1 Attachment]
In-Reply-To: <117676.81525.qm@web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <117676.81525.qm@web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT134-w52FFA4BA6FAEBD87B9BA9909A0@phx.gbl>

Here's the url where you can check out our design, I momentarily forgot about
the attachment rule..................Cheers Henry


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hmod/attachments/folder/304226438/item/16706183
29/view


Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 07:49:40 -0700
From: hmodrenault at yahoo.com
Subject: Fw: [hmod] Order Puckett event regalia now! [1 Attachment]
To: dos_gusanos at msn.com







--- On Thu, 8/12/10, Henry Morrison <hmodrenault at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Henry Morrison <hmodrenault at yahoo.com>
Subject: [hmod] Order Puckett event regalia now! [1 Attachment]
To: "Hmod" <hmod at yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 10:20 PM





[Attachment(s) from Henry Morrison included below]





Greetings Over the Hill Gang,
It is time to support Hmod racing by purchasing your Puckett Cup regalia now.
Jamie Pfeifer has produced an excellent design featuring long time H-Mod
participants. R to L, Marty Stein, Siata, Don Baldocchi, Nardi Crosley and Don
Racine, Aardvark.

Three items will be available featuring the artwork:

Dash Plaque (free to event participants)   otherwise $5

T-
shirts.......................................................................
..$20

24" X 24" Poster..........................................................$15

Postage
.......................................................................$6.00
for a small flat rate Box via mail

or take delivery at the event.

I have until August 27 to collect orders, there will be a few extra available
at the event.

 Send checks to:  Henry Morrison
                               8 Punto Alto Ct.
                               Cedar Crest, NM 87008

Or I suppose I can take paypal at dos_gusanos at msn.com

Please include your size S, M, L, XL, XXL etc.

All proceeds will go to cover the costs of the Puckett Cup at the CSRG Charity
Challenge.

Thank you,   Henry Morrison

__._,_.___
Attachment(s) from Henry Morrison
1 of 1 Photo(s)



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From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com  Sun Aug 15 12:05:52 2010
From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 14:05:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Ever seen this one???
In-Reply-To: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com>
References: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4C682C80.2060705@twcny.rr.com>

cracked block - this is a new block to me and it had a repaired 
headbolt. my machinest gave it the thumbs up but the repair gave out 
when I torqued the head and cracked the block to the water jacket. At 
least I got most of the summer out of it.

Cracks me up, 1/2" and 9/16" wrenches and a 9/16 inch socket along with 
a slotted screwdriver was all it took to remove the head in 20 minutes. 
Gotta love it...

Sigh...

btw a few of you mentioned prestone and race tracks - this is my dad's 
old racer. Its out to pasture these days, autocross and sunday drives.

Thanks

M

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Aug 15 15:21:18 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 14:21:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Ever seen this one???
In-Reply-To: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com>
References: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <036501cb3cbf$cd9141a0$0301a8c0@randall>

> Oil in the radiator WITHOUT oil in the water?

FWIW, I've got a similar symptom : oily residue on the cap but coolant looks
clean.  I believe it's actually the remains of some Barr's Leak (or similar)
that I put in in a vain attempt to stop the headgasket leak.  In spite of
both professional and amateur flushing, I still get oily brown gunk on the
cap.

> Had interesting overheating issue - runs fine 180-190 but 
> when I turn it 
> off, the water boils in the motor/radiator.

That can be a symptom of crud (including old stop leak) built up in the
bottom/back of the block.

> 50:50 prestone... 

Too much, IMO.  70:30 will provide better heat transfer and still protect
against corrosion (and freeze damage down to 0F or so).

> 4 lb cap. 
> Water goes into overflow bottle but does not appear to be pulled back 
> into the radiator when the engine cools.

I had exactly the same problem.  The special 4 lb caps don't seem to hold
vacuum properly, meaning that air gets sucked in through the center of the
cap, instead of drawing water uphill back from the bottle.  Could also be
sucking air through the water pump seal.

My solution was to have my radiator shop install a standard 3/4" fill neck,
so I could use a modern radiator cap.  I haven't actually installed a
recovery bottle yet, but I'm confident it will work when/if I do.

Randall

From jerrybarr at charter.net  Sun Aug 15 16:46:42 2010
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 17:46:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Ever seen this one???
In-Reply-To: <036501cb3cbf$cd9141a0$0301a8c0@randall>
References: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com>
	<036501cb3cbf$cd9141a0$0301a8c0@randall>
Message-ID: <20990D77-2E43-4A71-9452-85892E2BD2E0@charter.net>

Hey! Scott and I take exception to your comment about Barr's leak! I getting
close to 70 and may leak a little but not Scott. In Wisconsin  your mixture
better be 50-50 because we see well below 00.
On Aug 15, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Randall wrote:

>> Oil in the radiator WITHOUT oil in the water?
>
> FWIW, I've got a similar symptom : oily residue on the cap but coolant
looks
> clean.  I believe it's actually the remains of some Barr's Leak (or
similar)
> that I put in in a vain attempt to stop the headgasket leak.  In spite of
> both professional and amateur flushing, I still get oily brown gunk on the
> cap.
>
>> Had interesting overheating issue - runs fine 180-190 but
>> when I turn it
>> off, the water boils in the motor/radiator.
>
> That can be a symptom of crud (including old stop leak) built up in the
> bottom/back of the block.
>
>> 50:50 prestone...
>
> Too much, IMO.  70:30 will provide better heat transfer and still protect
> against corrosion (and freeze damage down to 0F or so).
>
>> 4 lb cap.
>> Water goes into overflow bottle but does not appear to be pulled back
>> into the radiator when the engine cools.
>
> I had exactly the same problem.  The special 4 lb caps don't seem to hold
> vacuum properly, meaning that air gets sucked in through the center of the
> cap, instead of drawing water uphill back from the bottle.  Could also be
> sucking air through the water pump seal.
>
> My solution was to have my radiator shop install a standard 3/4" fill neck,
> so I could use a modern radiator cap.  I haven't actually installed a
> recovery bottle yet, but I'm confident it will work when/if I do.
>
> Randall
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Aug 15 16:52:04 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:52:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Ever seen this one???
References: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com><036501cb3cbf$cd9141a0$0301a8c0@randall>
	<20990D77-2E43-4A71-9452-85892E2BD2E0@charter.net>
Message-ID: <61D726E0A3B14B508B5C3BDEE822FB21@Bud>

Jerry....You get the GOOD HUMOR AWARD for today!...Good Job Man!
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Barr" <jerrybarr at charter.net>
To: "Randall" <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Ever seen this one???


> Hey! Scott and I take exception to your comment about Barr's leak! I 
> getting
> close to 70 and may leak a little but not Scott. In Wisconsin  your 
> mixture
> better be 50-50 because we see well below 00.
> On Aug 15, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Randall wrote:
>
>>> Oil in the radiator WITHOUT oil in the water?
>>
>> FWIW, I've got a similar symptom : oily residue on the cap but coolant
> looks
>> clean.  I believe it's actually the remains of some Barr's Leak (or
> similar)
>> that I put in in a vain attempt to stop the headgasket leak.  In spite of
>> both professional and amateur flushing, I still get oily brown gunk on 
>> the
>> cap.
>>
>>> Had interesting overheating issue - runs fine 180-190 but
>>> when I turn it
>>> off, the water boils in the motor/radiator.
>>
>> That can be a symptom of crud (including old stop leak) built up in the
>> bottom/back of the block.
>>
>>> 50:50 prestone...
>>
>> Too much, IMO.  70:30 will provide better heat transfer and still protect
>> against corrosion (and freeze damage down to 0F or so).
>>
>>> 4 lb cap.
>>> Water goes into overflow bottle but does not appear to be pulled back
>>> into the radiator when the engine cools.
>>
>> I had exactly the same problem.  The special 4 lb caps don't seem to hold
>> vacuum properly, meaning that air gets sucked in through the center of 
>> the
>> cap, instead of drawing water uphill back from the bottle.  Could also be
>> sucking air through the water pump seal.
>>
>> My solution was to have my radiator shop install a standard 3/4" fill 
>> neck,
>> so I could use a modern radiator cap.  I haven't actually installed a
>> recovery bottle yet, but I'm confident it will work when/if I do.
>>
>> Randall
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From atr6racer at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 15 17:02:27 2010
From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 19:02:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Wheels and other items
Message-ID: <SNT136-w404E8C3AD56AA0C59D4301F99A0@phx.gbl>

Both sets of Shelby wheels are now sold.

While I'm at it I have some TR6/TR250/TR4A-IRS items that I'll never use
again.

Complete ready to run racing differentials.
All are Welded. I have two 4.1 welded diffs. One was only used once with a new
ring and pinion gear. The other was run quite a bit in my old days. I also
have a 4.3 welded diff that I used once, the ring and pinion came from a
street car and is in great shape.

Newer 4.1  welded diff-  $700
Older  4.1   welded diff-  $500
          4.3   welded diff-  $700

If these don't sell as complete units I'll be taking them apart and will sell
the ring and pinion gears seperately. $250 each or trade for 3.45 and 3.7
gears.

I also have two complete Detroit Locker units and tons of spare parts to go
along. Truth be know is that I just can't use these with my TR6 race cars as I
keep breaking the units right where the ring gear bolts to the diff unit. Too
much power I guess. I once had 6 of these units but I have broken four exactly
as I just described. Until I started making big power back in the 90's the
units worked fine. When they break, it feels like a center came out of your
clutch, but in reality the case where the ring gear is bolted up just shears
away and it just sits and spins with no drive and any further damage to the
diff. Anyway I believe these will fit all IRS TR's, and possibly some other
Beam axles cars also. If you are interested let me know. $500 takes both good
units and all the spares I have left over. if you have any cases for them you
can build at least another two units with all the spare parts I have.

I hate shipping heavy stuff so if you have any interest in any of the above
items let me know and I can haul them to Topeka this coming weekend.


Sam Halkias

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Aug 15 17:09:41 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:09:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Ever seen this one???
In-Reply-To: <20990D77-2E43-4A71-9452-85892E2BD2E0@charter.net>
References: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com><036501cb3cbf$cd9141a0$0301a8c0@randall>
	<20990D77-2E43-4A71-9452-85892E2BD2E0@charter.net>
Message-ID: <038001cb3cce$f178b3a0$0301a8c0@randall>

> Hey! Scott and I take exception to your comment about Barr's 
> leak! 

My apologies to both you and Scott!!  The correct product name is "Bar's
Leaks".

Randall

PS, <G>

From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Aug 15 18:08:51 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 18:08:51 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Garage sale stuff
Message-ID: <4C688193.3080207@bradakis.com>

I too am trying to unload some excess items.  Check out

http://www.team.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=9

Currently listing a TR6 triple Weber manifold, a Kirkey seat,
and some Spitfire SUs and ugly manifold.  This stuff can easily
be hauled to Topeka with me, no shipping charges.

I may be adding more stuff later this evening and tomorrow.

mjb.

From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Aug 16 08:44:56 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 09:44:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Ever seen this one???
References: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001101cb3d51$999adea0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Common on alfas.   look at the head gasket near the
area where the oil feed to the rockers passes thru
a casting porosity is also possible cause

art de armond
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Eginton" <markconsultation at twcny.rr.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 8:57 AM
Subject: [Fot] Ever seen this one???


> Oil in the radiator WITHOUT oil in the water? Figuring head gasket but 
> seems strange... I know I have a head bolt issue. New block had a repair - 
> machinist said it looked good but it topped out at 90 ft lbs.
>
> Had interesting overheating issue - runs fine 180-190 but when I turn it 
> off, the water boils in the motor/radiator. 50:50 prestone... 4 lb cap. 
> Water goes into overflow bottle but does not appear to be pulled back into 
> the radiator when the engine cools. This was before the oil / radiator 
> issue.
>
> M
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Aug 16 08:53:28 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 10:53:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Duryea Hillclimb
In-Reply-To: <BLU139-W25022BF6BE25C89E7C16BBC6990@phx.gbl>
References: <8CD090DE7E72EBB-2268-9@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
	<BLU139-W25022BF6BE25C89E7C16BBC6990@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008161051280.11529@isis.mit.edu>

On Sat, 14 Aug 2010, Rich Rock wrote:

> While many of you will be at Heartland next weekend, there will be some
> Triumphs in Reading, PA for the Duryea Hillclimb.  Registered at this time
> are:
>
> TR4's....Dennis Williams, Dave Miller
> TR7.......Tim Williams
> TR6's.....Richard Good, JK Jackson
>
>
> It's not too late to enter.  Just go to www.pahillclimb.org and download an
> entry form

Ugh - bummer. I have a commitment at NHMS, NER/SCCA has a charity event 
this weekend and a lot of my core workers bailed. Go figure.

Maybe next year!

Tell JK I said "hi". Even if I am a "goddam yankee".

:-)

> Rich Rock
> Chairman, Duryea Hillclimb

regards,
rml
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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 16 09:09:24 2010
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:09:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Topeka and garage sale ...
Message-ID: <287017.63768.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Who from the Wi area is going to Topeka, that might be able to haul Mark B's Kirky seat back ... I'm interested, but would need someone to pick it up from him ....


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire

From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Aug 16 09:28:49 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 11:28:49 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Duryea Hillclimb
Message-ID: <bd96f.4de138ab.399ab331@aol.com>

In a message dated 08/16/2010 9:59:03 AM Central Daylight Time, 
lang at isis.mit.edu writes:


> > While many of you will be at Heartland next weekend, there will be some
> > Triumphs in Reading, PA for the Duryea Hillclimb.  Registered at this 
> time
> > are:
> 

Sure SAD news concerning the eight deaths at the California off road truck 
rally this past week end.  Watch for 20/20 Hind Sight having a big impact on 
that sport.  The trail lawyers ought to have a field day.  I doubt if the 
sanctioning body has deep pockets, but I believe the land is government 
owned.  Taxpayers may end up paying some claims.  

Hill climbs can have such issues as well.  I know the VSCDA used to do Hill 
Climbs at both Lake Geneva and Janesville in Wisconsin.  The Janesville 
event had a lot of historical significance because they used to do it in the 
1950s.  Race teams from around the country would telescope a stop for those  
events on their way to the Elkhart Lake road races.  But the VSCDA was unable 
to handle crowd control, and therefore stopped running those events.  

Bill Dentinger

From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Mon Aug 16 10:08:04 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 11:08:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Topeka and garage sale ...
In-Reply-To: <287017.63768.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <287017.63768.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001cb3d5d$36213570$a263a050$@com>

Tom,
Ryan and I are going and could bring it back.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of tom strange
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 10:09 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Topeka and garage sale ...

Who from the Wi area is going to Topeka, that might be able to haul Mark B's
Kirky seat back ... I'm interested, but would need someone to pick it up
from him ....


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Aug 16 11:02:20 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 13:02:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Scroll Seal Centering Tool    Last call....
Message-ID: <8CD0B7BEC83965C-3C98-1628@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com>

FOT

I am shipping several tools today.

Offer is good until I return from Topeka next Monday night.

$27 including shipping.  PayPal   =   n197tr4 at cs.com

Price will always be better to FOT but not this good.

Regards,

Joe A

From emanteno at comcast.net  Mon Aug 16 20:48:56 2010
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:48:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Crew Passes for Topeka
Message-ID: <AANLkTin1-LvpQ=AKK5y-X0VC9dFOJsAxttuTJEwEHudW@mail.gmail.com>

Good evening.

If you are going to Heartland Park this weekend and have any crew passes
available (including overcrew), would
you please contact me off list?

Thanks,

Irv Korey

From rjl6n at cstone.net  Tue Aug 17 05:47:38 2010
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 07:47:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Racer
Message-ID: <3474d5d3570e30ca6083a8aa609fa854.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

Hi all,
     Some of you may have already seen this one, but
I thought I'd pass it on.  I know nothing more than
what you see here:

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/1900953451.html

John

From SpiwakD at aol.com  Tue Aug 17 06:01:29 2010
From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:01:29 EDT
Subject: [Fot] For Sale
Message-ID: <d4a2c.38124f2c.399bd419@aol.com>

Prices include shipping
 
steel scattershield for TR3. Covers the front half of the transmission.  
Custom made $45
 
fuel cell 10 or 12 gallons. Couple of minor dents in the bottom from gravel 
 excursions, but nothing serious. Packed with new foam $75
 
TR3 radiator. Stock radiator has just been rodded and leak-tested  $110
 
full set of 5-point belts by Safety Racing. Dark red color and perfect  
condition. Two years old this month. No sun fading. All hardware included. The  
shoulder belts mount on your roll bar. Still has 3 years left(for most of  
you). I have to change every two years for racing in New Jersey. $35
 
TR3 stock distributor with wires. Clean and ready to use $30
 
Dave Spiwak    _spiwakd at aol.com_ (mailto:spiwakd at aol.com) 

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 17 14:00:31 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:00:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] HELMET NEEDED AT TOPEKA
Message-ID: <8CD0C5DFB5B002B-1F80-1771@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com>

I went to buy a helmet and found that the new Snell approved helmets will not
be out until October.

Rather than getting one that will immediately expire, does someone have one I
can borrow?

This will be the first time that we have ever had two cars running at the same
time.

Might be the last, too.

thanks!

Joe

From igofaster at att.net  Tue Aug 17 19:47:19 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 18:47:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Can't make it to Heartland
Message-ID: <97396.66727.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hey Guys... been putting this email off for two days. After working the last 
week for about 30 hours on the GT6, I'm still not ready with the car. It busts 
my nuts to miss out on the event, but I'm still not running right after a 
complete rebuild on the GT6 motor. I've assembled the car and even ridden around 
the block sunday afternoon and I cannot get the back cylinders to fire. I've 
checked the SU's as best as I can and even installed those kick ass Mikunis from 
prirace.com and still not register of firing out of 4-5-6 cylinders. I've got 
spark, just no registration of gas O2 mixture on the EGR meter. My next step is 
to check the valves again, although I do stuff like that 3 times anyway. Point 
is, I should be loaded up tonight ready to hit the road in the a.m. and it ain't 
happening. It's busts my nuts... did I mention that? Anyway... I guess I get the 
tee shirt and that's about it... I'll post more as I move forward. My goal is to 
be at CVAR in September... yea I know Bob Kramer and Joe Hovey amongst others 
are coming from the CVAR group... I'll be there in spirit... Have a great 
time... I'll miss playing guitar with the bagpipes  : )  ....
BLUES man, BLUES....
Bobby Whitehead

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 17 20:04:34 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:04:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Product at TOPEKA
Message-ID: <8CD0C90D65F28BE-1BB8-9BA8@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com>

FOT,

I am bringing some stuff for various people as they have requested. Outside of
that I am bringing one or two pieces of a variety of stuff for display in the
vendor area.

I dont have Chris Marx' viton seals, yet, but I have the modified scroll seals
and Scroll Centering Tools..a few of them. Chris says North America will have
the seals by the end of August

Larry Young will have a performance cam with him and ready to discuss them.

Tony Drews will have a newly processed UJR ALLOY FRONT HUB on display and a
pair on his car. He expects to release several hub sets to production by
September and should be able to ship at that time frame. Not cheap, but well
designed and competively priced. He will also have the UJR HD AXLE SPINDLES
AND SPACERS on hand.

Ed Barnard will have some new Spitfire induction components to show.

I will have a small number of Kas' last three books on hand....buy them and
have him sign them.

Kas' new book may be printed in September....his printer is so excited about
Kas' new book that he is going to join us in Topeka.

A new AMBRO body in laid up fibreglass will be on display along with THREE
AMBROs at TOPEKA. Bill Bonadio will be on hand to discuss the Ambro/Dio in
detail.

I have the AMBRO trailer built by TOURNIER MANUFACTURING for anyone to see. It
can be built to your own specifications. This is the best trailer I have ever
owned and they can custom build a trailer at production prices.

Joe

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 17 20:07:45 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:07:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Can't make it to Heartland
In-Reply-To: <97396.66727.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <97396.66727.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CD0C914859BF7E-1BB8-9C6B@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com>

Cant you come without the car?....you dont need no stink'n car to have a good
time with your friends.





-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
To: Bill Rinke <brinke at cebridge.net>
Cc: Gary Fugua <GSFuqua1 at aol.com>; FoT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:47 pm
Subject: [Fot] Can't make it to Heartland


Hey Guys... been putting this email off for two days. After working the last
eek for about 30 hours on the GT6, I'm still not ready with the car. It busts
y nuts to miss out on the event, but I'm still not running right after a
omplete rebuild on the GT6 motor. I've assembled the car and even ridden
around
the block sunday afternoon and I cannot get the back cylinders to fire. I've
hecked the SU's as best as I can and even installed those kick ass Mikunis
from
prirace.com and still not register of firing out of 4-5-6 cylinders. I've got
park, just no registration of gas O2 mixture on the EGR meter. My next step is
o check the valves again, although I do stuff like that 3 times anyway. Point
s, I should be loaded up tonight ready to hit the road in the a.m. and it
ain't
happening. It's busts my nuts... did I mention that? Anyway... I guess I get
the
tee shirt and that's about it... I'll post more as I move forward. My goal is
to
be at CVAR in September... yea I know Bob Kramer and Joe Hovey amongst others
re coming from the CVAR group... I'll be there in spirit... Have a great
ime... I'll miss playing guitar with the bagpipes  : )  ....
LUES man, BLUES....
obby Whitehead
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From d.hesse at charter.net  Wed Aug 18 06:11:25 2010
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 5:11:25 -0700
Subject: [Fot] HELMET NEEDED AT TOPEKA
In-Reply-To: <8CD0C5DFB5B002B-1F80-1771@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100818081125.XOQLG.7156369.root@mp08>

Joe,
What size helmet you looking for? If anyone is going from the Madison WI area you're welcome to use mine. It's even wired for radio setup should you need that. Just let me know who/how to get it to them or you.
Dave Hesse
Portage WI
608-617-5667

---- n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:

=============
I went to buy a helmet and found that the new Snell approved helmets will not
be out until October.

Rather than getting one that will immediately expire, does someone have one I
can borrow?

This will be the first time that we have ever had two cars running at the same
time.

Might be the last, too.

thanks!

Joe
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Wed Aug 18 09:31:30 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:31:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] LA/OC/SD member going to Heartland Park
Message-ID: <AANLkTimwBrSb+Mx-yRtVCdfRY+-v8x_T2xU3KYMDWmpD@mail.gmail.com>

If anyone from Southern California would like to go I have an extra seat
available leaving tonight and back on Monday. Please contact me off list.

From whitedog72 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 18 15:27:23 2010
From: whitedog72 at hotmail.com (f s)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:27:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] St. L ouis All British Car Show
Message-ID: <BAY138-W496717E8DA656517BDC08C19D0@phx.gbl>

Hi All,
 This is kind of spam, but good spam. St. Louis All British Car show is a great little show and We are always outnumbered by MG's. So we are calling out all Triumphs around Missouri to come and help us out number MG's For once. 
 
Thanks
Andy 
72 EP Gt6
79 Spitfire
Barn full of projects. 
 
 
Get ready for an-other great show in St Louis, the 
Gateway to the West. 
This year!/s featured marque is Jaguar. 
Fri 10 September!*Parking Lot Party/BBQ for the St Louis ABCC, hosted by All British Car Repair at the host hotel, Red Roof Inn, Westport. 
11 Sept 2010 (C The Annual St Louis All British Car & Cycle Show, Creve Coeur Lake Park. Sponsors include All British Car Repair ((DThe MG Doc!,), Al!.s Automotive Supply, Conrad Press, Ltd., Hagerty Insurance, Hyman Ltd Classic Cars and Apple Hydraulics, Inc. 
Website at www.allbritishcarshow.com, 
online registration now available.  		 	   		  

From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 18 16:39:26 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:39:26 -0600
Subject: [Fot] K.C. airport shuttle?
Message-ID: <DB21EEFA-1EE6-4F79-8C73-EE33DC8CC87A@earthlink.net>

Anyone plan on passing thru Kansas City tomorrow night? In theory I  
should pick Connie up at 9:30pm tomorrow at the K.C. airport and now  
there's a problem - After months in the works the T-shirts are now 3  
days overdue. If at all possible, I ain't leaving without them. If I  
can't get there in time for her flight she's going to have to rent a  
car, take a expensive shuttle, or bum a ride. Still possible I'll get  
there in time but...
Thanks,

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 18 16:58:44 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:58:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] K.C. airport shuttle?
In-Reply-To: <DB21EEFA-1EE6-4F79-8C73-EE33DC8CC87A@earthlink.net>
References: <DB21EEFA-1EE6-4F79-8C73-EE33DC8CC87A@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8CD0D400AE6BF2B-D00-3F71@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
To: fot Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:39 pm
Subject: [Fot] K.C. airport shuttle?


Anyone plan on passing thru Kansas City tomorrow night? In theory I should
pick Connie up at 9:30pm tomorrow at the K.C. airport and now there's a
problem - After months in the works the T-shirts are now 3 days overdue. If at
all possible, I ain't leaving without them. If I can't get there in time for
her flight she's going to have to rent a car, take a expensive shuttle, or bum
a ride. Still possible I'll get there in time but...
Thanks,

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
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From bluebit at comcast.net  Wed Aug 18 18:10:50 2010
From: bluebit at comcast.net (Jim%20Roelofs)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 00:10:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] racing fuel at HPT
Message-ID: <838545785.40911.1282176650470.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Sorry if I missed published information. Can anyone tell me if racing fuel will be available at Topeka? 

Jim Roelofs 
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 18 21:51:15 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:51:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] K.C. airport shuttle?
In-Reply-To: <8CD0D400AE6BF2B-D00-3F71@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com>
References: <DB21EEFA-1EE6-4F79-8C73-EE33DC8CC87A@earthlink.net>
	<8CD0D400AE6BF2B-D00-3F71@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com>
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Got the shirts. Got the airport details worked out. Got the inland  
freighter ready to be escorted out of the harbor. Got 800 miles ahead  
of me. Life is good.
See ya' in Topeka.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Aug 18, 2010, at 4:58 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:

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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
> To: fot Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:39 pm
> Subject: [Fot] K.C. airport shuttle?
>
> Anyone plan on passing thru Kansas City tomorrow night? In theory I  
> should pick Connie up at 9:30pm tomorrow at the K.C. airport and  
> now there's a problem - After months in the works the T-shirts are  
> now 3 days overdue. If at all possible, I ain't leaving without  
> them. If I can't get there in time for her flight she's going to  
> have to rent a car, take a expensive shuttle, or bum a ride. Still  
> possible I'll get there in time but...
> Thanks,
>
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Aug 19 11:00:06 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:00:06 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Fot] So long, farewell, ...
Message-ID: <20100819170006.193882E0D2@bradakis.com>

Okay, just about ready to roll on out of here.  Will see
some of you this weekend, should be fun.

I hope the servers behave themselves while I'm away.

mjb.

From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug 19 12:21:03 2010
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:21:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] So long, farewell, ...
In-Reply-To: <20100819170006.193882E0D2@bradakis.com>
References: <20100819170006.193882E0D2@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <284618.78980.qm@web80805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I hope you didn't say anything to the servers. They will miss you.
________________________________
From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To:
fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 1:00:06 PM
Subject: [Fot] So
long, farewell, ...

Okay, just about ready to roll on out of here.  Will see
some of you this weekend, should be fun.

I hope the servers behave themselves
while I'm away.

mjb.
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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug 19 12:23:45 2010
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:23:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
Message-ID: <41630.26439.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I know its bad timing because a lot of the midwesterners are headed for Topeka
... but I'm wondering if anyone is planning to run the ELVF next month ...
weekend of the 10th of Sep ...  If I'm going I need to fax in the entry today
or tomorrow.  I'm borderline on running it so I'm wondering if I would have
any company ...  spits ... gt6's ....  2s ... 3s ... 4s ... 6s ... ambros ....
anyone?


Tom

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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug 19 14:17:56 2010
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:17:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
In-Reply-To: <41630.26439.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <535627.10443.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Due to a question about my previous email ... yes Tr250's, Heralds,
Mayflowers, Standard 8's, Standard 10's and any other configuration of
Triumphs are welcome .... 
 
Sheesh ... wouldnt you know a lawyer would want to know who might have been
left out and slighted ;>)))))))))


Tom

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--- On Thu, 8/19/10, tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


From: tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
To: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 1:23 PM


I know its bad timing because a lot of the midwesterners are headed for
Topeka
... but I'm wondering if anyone is planning to run the ELVF next month ...
weekend of the 10th of Sep ...  If I'm going I need to fax in the entry today
or tomorrow.  I'm borderline on running it so I'm wondering if I would have
any company ...  spits ... gt6's ....  2s ... 3s ... 4s ... 6s ... ambros
....
anyone?


Tom

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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Aug 19 18:55:55 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:55:55 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
Message-ID: <20100820005555.58F162E0C0@bradakis.com>

http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=105


mjb, the lucky lad.

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 19 19:18:43 2010
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:18:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Oxford Ohio
Message-ID: <BAY123-W3249A883591237E9A849BBA9F0@phx.gbl>

Any FOT located in the Oxford Ohio area? Contact me if you have time, have a
request.

Marty

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Aug 19 19:19:56 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:19:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
In-Reply-To: <41630.26439.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <8CD0E1CEF6F02E4-1814-6CA4@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com>

I am thinking strongly about it. If I get through Topeka.





-----Original Message-----
From: tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Aug 19, 2010 1:23 pm
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America


I know its bad timing because a lot of the midwesterners are headed for
Topeka
.. but I'm wondering if anyone is planning to run the ELVF next month ...
eekend of the 10th of Sep ...  If I'm going I need to fax in the entry today
r tomorrow.  I'm borderline on running it so I'm wondering if I would have
ny company ...  spits ... gt6's ....  2s ... 3s ... 4s ... 6s ... ambros ....
nyone?

om
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Aug 19 19:37:08 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:37:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
In-Reply-To: <20100820005555.58F162E0C0@bradakis.com>
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OH NO!

>From Topeka.

Joe










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To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Aug 19, 2010 7:55 pm
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A


http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=105

jb, the lucky lad.
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Thu Aug 19 19:44:26 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:44:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
In-Reply-To: <20100820005555.58F162E0C0@bradakis.com>
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Wow

Looks like your lucky day. Buy a lottery ticket. Very glad to hear that you
were not seriously hurt.

Paul

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Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: August 19, 2010 8:56 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A

http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=105


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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Aug 19 20:20:58 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:20:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
In-Reply-To: <20100820005555.58F162E0C0@bradakis.com>
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Wow Mark, I am sorry for your misfortune but thankful you are alive.  I
guess that pretty much puts the KABASH on your trip.

Joe

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Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:56 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A

http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=105


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From jibjib at att.net  Thu Aug 19 21:32:33 2010
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:32:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
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Mark,

I'm very sorry to hear about the accident, but I'm incredibly glad to hear
about it from you.

Jack

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Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:56 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A

http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=105


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From aerodin at swbell.net  Thu Aug 19 23:20:31 2010
From: aerodin at swbell.net (T.R. Young)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 23:20:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
In-Reply-To: <20100820005555.58F162E0C0@bradakis.com>
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Wow, Mark, You can get another CRV but not another MJB! Here's to 
telling the tale! Awfully glad you're OK.

-Tom

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Aug 20 00:04:54 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:04:54 +0200
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
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Sorry to hear that.
That was a serious impact.
Good that you are not badly injured.

Head Up!

Chris

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Aug 20 06:05:16 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:05:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
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Damn.

Glad you're okay, though.

rml
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Fri Aug 20 19:46:20 2010
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 21:46:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
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It so repetitive, there is only. glad your ok  and this to shall pass.  I 
have never liked the seat belt fitment in my van. We just can't help feeling 
safe as milk un till   were not. I will be stopping forward motion with my 
neck as well.         rob
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From LimeyV8 at aol.com  Sat Aug 21 20:31:34 2010
From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:31:34 EDT
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing...
Message-ID: <24ace.6bde361f.39a1e606@aol.com>

...is pleased to report that our Chump Car TR6 ran for all 7 hours  of our 
first Chump Car Race at Roebling Road today - and finished 14th  (of 34 
cars) overall ! 
 
Everyone (including us) was amazed - and all 5 drivers are all grins  
tonight.
 
I can't wait to do it again tomorrow.
 
Cheers,
Jack Mc

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Aug 22 16:47:56 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:47:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <8CD106332C3B5DF-1B10-1F737@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com>

FoT,

When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition,
this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.

The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.

Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after a
great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.

This is what it is all about......

John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at Leguna
Seca next June.  More details to follow.

Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.

We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
beverages.

Joe Alexander

From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Sun Aug 22 17:27:47 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:27:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=acc92jZeFBCeh2s=Z=K2z+szFzyuE0f_jMxYA@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations to Kieth Files for winning the 2010 Kastner Cup. In an epic
race won by 2009 SCCA E Production champion Sam Halkias, Kieth finished a
close second in his blazingly fast TR4. Followed closely by Tony Drews and
Jeff Snooker there were several great drives by Sean and Joe Alexander, Ryan
Murphy, Greg Hilyer and Dennis De Lap and others.  Full report will follow
along with photos.  Next race will be in June 2011 at Laguna Secs.

From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Aug 22 18:51:53 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:51:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <8CD106332C3B5DF-1B10-1F737@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD106332C3B5DF-1B10-1F737@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C71C629.1090008@bradakis.com>

Don't believe a word of it. It is all a hoax, a global conspiracy.  I'm 
sure it
was a miserable weekend, no one had any fun, it is a good thing I didn't
waste my time and money getting there for the festivities.

If you believe that, I have the title for this bridge....


I wish circumstances had been different, sounds like I missed a good one.

mjb.

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Aug 22 20:20:46 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 19:20:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <4C71C629.1090008@bradakis.com>
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	<4C71C629.1090008@bradakis.com>
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> I wish circumstances had been different, sounds like I missed 
> a good one.

The important part is that you've got a shot at the next one!

Randall

From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun Aug 22 20:42:37 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:42:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
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Message-ID: <4C71E01D.9040304@pobox.com>

And...... the Bill Ames award was passed to Bob Kramer.  Bob has helped 
countless Triumphs get on or back on to the race track.  He's one of the 
best drivers I know.  He gives away parts, is a gentleman racer, and he 
has towed to almost all of the FoT focus events.  A great guy and worthy 
recipient.
-Larry Young

n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> FoT,
>
> When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition,
> this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
>
> The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
>
> Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after a
> great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
>
> This is what it is all about......
>
> John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at Leguna
> Seca next June.  More details to follow.
>
> Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.
>
> We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
> beverages.
>
> Joe Alexander
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Sun Aug 22 20:45:21 2010
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 02:45:21 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <1248693770-1282531514-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-399854327-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Congratulations to Keith....well deserved.  So wonderfull to hear all the accolades. 
Laguna Seca next year.. What a treat. 

------Original Message------
From: Joe Alexander
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
Sent: Aug 22, 2010 3:47 PM

FoT,

When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition,
this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.

The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.

Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after a
great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.

This is what it is all about......

John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at Leguna
Seca next June.  More details to follow.

Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.

We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
beverages.

Joe Alexander
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Aug 23 00:15:36 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 00:15:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
In-Reply-To: <DFEBE4E0B99B41A0AF50A95B5927D565@INSPIRON>
References: <20100820005555.58F162E0C0@bradakis.com>
	<DFEBE4E0B99B41A0AF50A95B5927D565@INSPIRON>
Message-ID: <4C721208.6080805@bradakis.com>

I'd like to thank you all for your kind and caring responses
to the news of my mishap on the highway.  It is nice to know
that many of you appreciate what it is I do with Team.Net.

And it reminded me that I should make some sort of contingency
plan to keep it going.  Had the incident on thursday been fatal,
Team.Net would have just fizzled out, no warning, no notice.
That would not be good.

When I wrote about Plan A, I was thinking there might be a Plan B.
I could have gotten a flight to Kansas, rented a car and made it to
the event at Heartland Park.  But even with a strong desire to make
it to the races regardless of circumstance, I think it was prudent to
sit home and lick my wounds, so to speak.  Having a serious side
effect or internal injury crop up many miles from home would not be
a good thing.

Again, my thanks to all for your concern.

mjb.

From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Mon Aug 23 01:23:07 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 00:23:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
In-Reply-To: <4C721208.6080805@bradakis.com>
References: <20100820005555.58F162E0C0@bradakis.com>
	<DFEBE4E0B99B41A0AF50A95B5927D565@INSPIRON>
	<4C721208.6080805@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikAmhDZZoHGNqCxQW2m_uXAemoedJL0cNgyrxFa@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Mark :
It would hearten you to know that I heard on more than several occasions how
disappointed we all were at your absence but gladdened that you were all
right.  We expect to see you next year to express our appreciation for all
that you do. It is highly unlikely that any of what makes this group so
wonderful would be possible without you. Thank you again.

On Aug 23, 2010 2:17 AM, "Mark J Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> I'd like to thank you all for your kind and caring responses
> to the news of my mishap on the highway. It is nice to know
> that many of you appreciate what it is I do with Team.Net.
>
> And it reminded me that I should make some sort of contingency
> plan to keep it going. Had the incident on thursday been fatal,
> Team.Net would have just fizzled out, no warning, no notice.
> That would not be good.
>
> When I wrote about Plan A, I was thinking there might be a Plan B.
> I could have gotten a flight to Kansas, rented a car and made it to
> the event at Heartland Park. But even with a strong desire to make
> it to the races regardless of circumstance, I think it was prudent to
> sit home and lick my wounds, so to speak. Having a serious side
> effect or internal injury crop up many miles from home would not be
> a good thing.
>
> Again, my thanks to all for your concern.
>
> mjb.
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 23 06:37:30 2010
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 05:37:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <4C71E01D.9040304@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <587337.60931.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Congrats, Mr. Kramer.

--- On Sun, 8/22/10, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:


From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
To: n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 9:42 PM


And...... the Bill Ames award was passed to Bob Kramer.  Bob has helped
countless Triumphs get on or back on to the race track.  He's one of the
best drivers I know.  He gives away parts, is a gentleman racer, and he
has towed to almost all of the FoT focus events.  A great guy and worthy
recipient.
-Larry Young

n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> FoT,
>
> When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition,
> this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
>
> The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
>
> Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after
a
> great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
>
> This is what it is all about......
>
> John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at
Leguna
> Seca next June.  More details to follow.
>
> Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.
>
> We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
> beverages.
>
> Joe Alexander
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Mon Aug 23 13:43:59 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:43:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <AC95D585B8BD49BB9C16B6846E5CF7D8@latitudefb1e41>

I drove through the night and made it home at 5:30 this morning. The one
hour nap at the TX border helped. For all the worries about heat I think we
had a great weekend. Even the thunder boomers Friday were somewhat enjoyable
to this TX guy. The cloud cover Saturday and the breeze all weekend kept us
cool enough in the shade, if you had a good supply of dry t-shirts. Now that
I'm home I recognize that I lied to you all, it is hotter here. Oh well,
I'll have to unload anyway. I have a few shirts left.

I met a lot of people whose names I recognized from the list and I've got to
tell those that weren't able to make it that the FoT is growing and more
vibrant than ever. That Colorado clan has something going on there. What a
nice group of folks. Seeing them all together reminded me of my first FoT
exposure at Blackhawk Farms when Joe put me up in a tent for the weekend.
That type of camaraderie is the fiber that runs through all of us. I was
really pleased to see the young guys running and hear about even more in the
pipeline. My son had a great time and I think he is hooked for good. Thanks
for welcoming him. In his tired old TR4 he managed to get within 4 seconds
of his old man on our best laps. I'll need to get bigger mirrors for the
future.

Thank you  Larry for honoring me with the Bill Ames Award. I meant it when I
said that I was surrounded by a large group of people just like me, that all
deserve this award. I help where I can and so does everyone else. It's that
FoT fiber thing. When I started I learned so much from people like Joe, Jack
and Hardy P, as well as Ken G and Ted S and a long list of others along the
way. I still have a lot to learn. It was pretty cool to paddock nect to the
Champ. Sam is a genuine good guy. Racing his TR6 with the SCCA at the
highest levels might seem to put him in a different world, but he just like
us in every other way. Thanks Sam.

Are we going to be able look at laptimes on MyLaps, but I don't know for
sure. Bill or Gary, is that going to happen? I got in the habit of not
picking up laptimes at CVAR races because the data gets to MyLaps so
quickly.Just wondering.

Laguna Seca! I'll probably MapQuest the route a few dozen time this week. :)

Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch
excellence.
Vince Lombardi

From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Aug 23 13:44:20 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:44:20 EDT
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
Message-ID: <7f546.41f8982e.39a42994@aol.com>

In a message dated 08/19/2010 2:06:52 PM Central Daylight Time, 
tstrange at sbcglobal.net writes:


> I know its bad timing because a lot of the midwesterners are headed for 
> Topeka
> ... but I'm wondering if anyone is planning to run the ELVF next month ...
> weekend of the 10th of Sep ...  If I'm going I need to fax in the entry 
> today
> or tomorrow.  I'm borderline on running it so I'm wondering if I would 
> have
> any company ...  spits ... gt6's ....  2s ... 3s ... 4s ... 6s ... ambros 
> ....
> anyone?
> 
> 

Tom...

Bob Wismer and I have never (ever) missed an Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival. 
 And God willing...we won't miss this one.  And of course, the Elkhart Lake 
Vintage Festival is certainly not restricted to Midwesterners.  Great 
Chance to race one of the world's great road racing circuits, and enjoy 
Wisconsin's Indian Summer as well.

Bill Dentinger


Bill Dentinger

From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Mon Aug 23 17:24:15 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:24:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
In-Reply-To: <7f546.41f8982e.39a42994@aol.com>
References: <7f546.41f8982e.39a42994@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004001cb431a$4e392650$eaab72f0$@com>

Ryan and I are planning to be there.  My turn to drive, hope we don't break
again this year.  After Topeka and the car running really good, we're pretty
optimistic.

Ryan and I were really pleased to be able to make the Kastner Cup for the
first time.  All the way back we were talking about how we could arrange to
get to Laguna Seca.  We had a fantastic time in Topeka.  Well worth the 1300
miles of towing!

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 2:44 PM
To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] ELVF at Road America

In a message dated 08/19/2010 2:06:52 PM Central Daylight Time, 
tstrange at sbcglobal.net writes:


> I know its bad timing because a lot of the midwesterners are headed for 
> Topeka
> ... but I'm wondering if anyone is planning to run the ELVF next month ...
> weekend of the 10th of Sep ...  If I'm going I need to fax in the entry 
> today
> or tomorrow.  I'm borderline on running it so I'm wondering if I would 
> have
> any company ...  spits ... gt6's ....  2s ... 3s ... 4s ... 6s ... ambros 
> ....
> anyone?
> 
> 

Tom...

Bob Wismer and I have never (ever) missed an Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival. 
 And God willing...we won't miss this one.  And of course, the Elkhart Lake 
Vintage Festival is certainly not restricted to Midwesterners.  Great 
Chance to race one of the world's great road racing circuits, and enjoy 
Wisconsin's Indian Summer as well.

Bill Dentinger


Bill Dentinger
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 23 18:13:18 2010
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:13:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Ambassador John Nikas
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=acc92jZeFBCeh2s=Z=K2z+szFzyuE0f_jMxYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=acc92jZeFBCeh2s=Z=K2z+szFzyuE0f_jMxYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <565950.74401.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI - I have to say that whenever our annual FOT event brings the East and
the 
West together the Triumph energy takes a quantum leap.  West coasters -
your 
presence was felt thru John.  Thanks for getting him out to Topeka. 
Also a big thank you to Gary Fuqua, Joe Alexander and Kas for having faith in
Heartland Park during August.

I just got back to Illinois and already miss
the sight of all of those racing 
TR4's
Thanks everyone.
Dennis

From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Aug 23 18:13:11 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:13:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
In-Reply-To: <004001cb431a$4e392650$eaab72f0$@com>
References: <7f546.41f8982e.39a42994@aol.com>
	<004001cb431a$4e392650$eaab72f0$@com>
Message-ID: <20100824001234.3D7FE187645@autox.team.net>

I'll be there too.  Sending in my entry now.

Tony Drews

At 06:24 PM 8/23/2010, Tim Murphy wrote:
>Ryan and I are planning to be there.  My turn to drive, hope we don't break
>again this year.  After Topeka and the car running really good, we're pretty
>optimistic.
>
>Ryan and I were really pleased to be able to make the Kastner Cup for the
>first time.  All the way back we were talking about how we could arrange to
>get to Laguna Seca.  We had a fantastic time in Topeka.  Well worth the 1300
>miles of towing!
>
>Tim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
>Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 2:44 PM
>To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net; fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
>
>In a message dated 08/19/2010 2:06:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
>tstrange at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>
> > I know its bad timing because a lot of the midwesterners are headed for
> > Topeka
> > ... but I'm wondering if anyone is planning to run the ELVF next month ...
> > weekend of the 10th of Sep ...  If I'm going I need to fax in the entry
> > today
> > or tomorrow.  I'm borderline on running it so I'm wondering if I would
> > have
> > any company ...  spits ... gt6's ....  2s ... 3s ... 4s ... 6s ... ambros
> > ....
> > anyone?
> >
> >
>
>Tom...
>
>Bob Wismer and I have never (ever) missed an Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival.
>  And God willing...we won't miss this one.  And of course, the Elkhart Lake
>Vintage Festival is certainly not restricted to Midwesterners.  Great
>Chance to race one of the world's great road racing circuits, and enjoy
>Wisconsin's Indian Summer as well.
>
>Bill Dentinger
>
>
>Bill Dentinger
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon Aug 23 18:29:25 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:29:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Just back from Topeka...
Message-ID: <BAY157-ds8459FD22FF5FC930AAA66C3830@phx.gbl>

Folks,

Just wanted to say that I personally had a great time, and it was a pleasure
to finally match up some names from the list to actual faces, and to meet many
new people as well.  There is genuine meaning to our "Amici Triumphi" motto
from the FOT coat of arms.  The heat and distance all pale in the warm light
of the camaraderie of our merry band.  It is truly an honor to be a part of
FOT.

Good cars, good competition, and great people.  Does it get any better than
that?

Thanks again for a wonderful time.


Terry Stetler

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Aug 23 18:54:39 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:54:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
In-Reply-To: <004001cb431a$4e392650$eaab72f0$@com>
References: <7f546.41f8982e.39a42994@aol.com>
	<004001cb431a$4e392650$eaab72f0$@com>
Message-ID: <8CD113E10D4FBB6-2258-3ACD@webmail-d050.sysops.aol.com>

I'd like to be there, but unlikely to run.

It will be an excellent weekend at Road America with the 60th Anniversary
being celebrated.

It's a must do.






-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Murphy <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: BillDentin at aol.com; tstrange at sbcglobal.net; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:24 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] ELVF at Road America


Ryan and I are planning to be there.  My turn to drive, hope we don't break
gain this year.  After Topeka and the car running really good, we're pretty
ptimistic.
Ryan and I were really pleased to be able to make the Kastner Cup for the
irst time.  All the way back we were talking about how we could arrange to
et to Laguna Seca.  We had a fantastic time in Topeka.  Well worth the 1300
iles of towing!
Tim
-----Original Message-----
rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
ehalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
ent: Monday, August 23, 2010 2:44 PM
o: tstrange at sbcglobal.net; fot at autox.team.net
ubject: Re: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
In a message dated 08/19/2010 2:06:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
strange at sbcglobal.net writes:

 I know its bad timing because a lot of the midwesterners are headed for
 Topeka
 ... but I'm wondering if anyone is planning to run the ELVF next month ...
 weekend of the 10th of Sep ...  If I'm going I need to fax in the entry
 today
 or tomorrow.  I'm borderline on running it so I'm wondering if I would
 have
 any company ...  spits ... gt6's ....  2s ... 3s ... 4s ... 6s ... ambros
 ....
 anyone?


Tom...
Bob Wismer and I have never (ever) missed an Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival.
And God willing...we won't miss this one.  And of course, the Elkhart Lake
intage Festival is certainly not restricted to Midwesterners.  Great
hance to race one of the world's great road racing circuits, and enjoy
isconsin's Indian Summer as well.
Bill Dentinger

ill Dentinger
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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Mon Aug 23 19:41:00 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:41:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6/Spitfire master cylinder bracket
Message-ID: <4C73232C.4000701@cfl.rr.com>

  Does anyone have a spare brake/clutch master cylinder mounting bracket 
they would like to sell?

thxx,
Bob

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Aug 23 20:00:43 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:00:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Larry Young Camshaft
Message-ID: <8CD11474B8A43FE-AF0-65EF@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com>

FOT,

We think the Larry Young camshaft brought life to our engine in our prefered
RPM range, that it has never seen before.

We have another on order.

It would be good to have an order of six, according to Larry.

This might be a good time to jump in on the fastwagon.

Joe & Sean

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Aug 23 20:35:50 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:35:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS   Plan A
Message-ID: <8CD114C338C699E-AF0-6D49@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com>

FOT:

I heard a rumor that a 'cracked' billet crank could be repaired....at a high
cost.

I have a billet crank that does not 'ring' true when tapped by a hammer.

It is assumed that it is defective.

Does any one have knowledge of reclaiming said crank?

Might be a good topic for all.

Thanks!

Joe & Sean

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Aug 23 21:00:12 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:00:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO REUNION / GATHERING A SUCCESS at Topeka
Message-ID: <8CD114F9AFF2BFE-AF0-7210@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com>

FOT and TOPEKA ENTRANTS

You might have noticed.....there were three AMBROs at TOPEKA.

One writer was fascinated by AMBRO #97 and wanted to do a short article in a
magazine. We gathered the three Ambros together for a photo shoot and they may
make appearances in the higher quality Vintage/Classic magazines. Fun stuff,
especially after all of the work building one and running it for the first
time.

The two other AMBROS are owned by Bill Bonadio (Chev V-8) and Mike Fuchs
(Chevy V-8)


Status of current AMBRO builds:

AMBRO    ARE-001    TR4    powered     finished
AMBRO    ARE-002    MG    powered      work in process
AMBRO    ARE-003    GT6   powered      work in process
AMBRO    ARE-004    GT6   powered      shipped
AMBRO    ARE-005    ------   powered      proposal pending

These build efforts are a tribute to Bill Ames.

Additionally, the most recent recipient of the Bill Ames Memorial was Bob
Kramer when Larry Young passed it on to Bob at TOPEKA.

Very deservedly so.......Congratulations Bob!

Joe A

From aerodin at swbell.net  Mon Aug 23 21:05:41 2010
From: aerodin at swbell.net (T.R. Young)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:05:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <4C71E01D.9040304@pobox.com>
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Here Here! Well deserved, Bob!

On 8/22/2010 8:42 PM, Larry Young wrote:
> And...... the Bill Ames award was passed to Bob Kramer.  Bob has helped
> countless Triumphs get on or back on to the race track.  He's one of the
> best drivers I know.  He gives away parts, is a gentleman racer, and he
> has towed to almost all of the FoT focus events.  A great guy and worthy
> recipient.
> -Larry Young
>
> n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
>    
>> FoT,
>>
>> When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition,
>> this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
>>
>> The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
>>
>> Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after a
>> great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
>>
>> This is what it is all about......
>>
>> John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at Leguna
>> Seca next June.  More details to follow.
>>
>> Of course Kas&  Peg were a delight.
>>
>> We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
>> beverages.
>>
>> Joe Alexander
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Tue Aug 24 03:14:02 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 02:14:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] We made it!
Message-ID: <AANLkTin4JBfTaU8RhXoihQT+cDLVSAkb0ucbzj2hwWzm@mail.gmail.com>

Just wanted to let you know that after 29 hours and 1669 miles Luke and I
are just now arriving in Orange County.  It was a perfect weekend.  Thanks
to you all so much. Luke said pictures will be up by the end of the week.

From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Tue Aug 24 06:27:23 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:27:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
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Message-ID: <008301cb4387$b507e2f0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

I'm headed for Watkins Glen that weekend. Too bad that there's a date
conflict.
As for the meeting in June; not that I plan on going, but it seems Monterey
is 2662 miles away from Erie, 43 hours driving time (give or take), and I've
never seen the Pacific Ocean.............Plus my long deceased brother went
to U of W.  I could always go to Seattle for a tour and maybe do a race
there too, just to fill out the trip......
California dreaming......
Bill----- Original Message -----
From: "tom strange" <tstrange at sbcglobal.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 2:23 PM
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America


> I know its bad timing because a lot of the midwesterners are headed for
Topeka
> ... but I'm wondering if anyone is planning to run the ELVF next month ...
> weekend of the 10th of Sep ...  If I'm going I need to fax in the entry
today
> or tomorrow.  I'm borderline on running it so I'm wondering if I would
have
> any company ...  spits ... gt6's ....  2s ... 3s ... 4s ... 6s ... ambros
....
> anyone?
>
>
> Tom
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm
>
>
> #4 white spitfire
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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Tue Aug 24 07:36:03 2010
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:36:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca
Message-ID: <AANLkTikHfPcPaunz7tX1wwXn0PeWvo-vTUndJ37CxgP2@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know if this is to early to start thinking about how some of
us Easterners (yes I consider myself an Easterner because we live in
the eastern time zone!) can maybe get together and rent a transporter
to make the trip.

I've dealt with two different transporters that I would trust with our
vehicles.  One uses an enclosed trailer that could handle probably 6
vehicles.  The other is a hot shot trucker with an open 40 foot
trailer that could probably haul 3 cars plus misc equipment.  Most
people don't like open trailers and the only reason I mention this guy
is I consider him trust worthy and I know he watches over his loads
wherever he goes.

Depending on circumstances we might be interested in sharing a common
transport with others that want to head from the easter half of the
country to Laguna Seca.

So for those of you who might want to have your car transported to CA
and back feel free to contact me off list.

Brad

From herald948 at aol.com  Tue Aug 24 08:35:14 2010
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:35:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] GT6/Spitfire master cylinder bracket
In-Reply-To: <4C73232C.4000701@cfl.rr.com>
References: <4C73232C.4000701@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8CD11B0B28338E3-30C-50E@webmail-d056.sysops.aol.com>

 Which bracket do you want? Depending on the year, they are very different
(inasmuch as some of the brake master mounting brackets are much more
reinforced). That said, I'm afraid I don't have any to spare (either way) at
the moment.



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
Database: http://triumph-herald.us




-----Original Message-----
From: Bob <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>

  Does anyone have a spare brake/clutch master cylinder mounting bracket they
would like to sell?

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 24 08:42:49 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:42:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca
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Excellent!

Not too soon to plan.

There are others that are discussing this and shared information would be
useful.

John Nikas is thinking in terms of 75 Triumphs.

Joe

NOTE:  Sanctioning Body and Venue now needs to be decided for 2012 for the
60th Anniversary. We have two invitations, and several ideas. The ideas have
not yet developed into proposals.

This will not be a unilateral decision.....it will be based on the best
proposal that serves the best interests
of the FOT.






-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 8:36 am
Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca


I don't know if this is to early to start thinking about how some of
s Easterners (yes I consider myself an Easterner because we live in
he eastern time zone!) can maybe get together and rent a transporter
o make the trip.
I've dealt with two different transporters that I would trust with our
ehicles.  One uses an enclosed trailer that could handle probably 6
ehicles.  The other is a hot shot trucker with an open 40 foot
railer that could probably haul 3 cars plus misc equipment.  Most
eople don't like open trailers and the only reason I mention this guy
s I consider him trust worthy and I know he watches over his loads
herever he goes.
Depending on circumstances we might be interested in sharing a common
ransport with others that want to head from the easter half of the
ountry to Laguna Seca.
So for those of you who might want to have your car transported to CA
nd back feel free to contact me off list.
Brad
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From gt6steve at aol.com  Tue Aug 24 09:59:30 2010
From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 11:59:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6/Spitfire master cylinder bracket
In-Reply-To: <4C73232C.4000701@cfl.rr.com>
References: <4C73232C.4000701@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8CD11BC7848E08D-128-114A1@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com>

Hey Bob,  I'm pretty sure I could get you one on the weekend if you're not in
a big rush.  You'd have to cover shipping...

Steve






-----Original Message-----
From: Bob <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:41 pm
Subject: [Fot] GT6/Spitfire master cylinder bracket


Does anyone have a spare brake/clutch master cylinder mounting bracket they
would like to sell?

thxx,
Bob
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue Aug 24 10:48:08 2010
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:48:08 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park
Message-ID: <E9B2BAEDFE2C4835BBC978B43794A614@homekeith>

Dear All,

 

I would like to thank you all for making the event so special; the warmth
and affection that you showed to me, Denise, my mad brother, Imelda and
Simon was truly exceptional - we love coming over and racing with you guys
and will continue to do so for many more years to come.

 

The real high point of the weekend was to receive the Kastner Cup from Kas
himself; it was a humbling experience especially when I consider the high
calibre of cars and fellow racers that were in the mix and all deserving of
the trophy in your own special way. You should all know that the Cup hasn't
actually left the US as there was enough trouble with US Immigration on the
way in without looking for more trouble on the way out :-)

 

I would like to give a big shout out to Joe Alexander for not only making
Heartland Park happen but for getting me away from my mighty TR6 and into
the 4 pot camp; a plot that that was hatched after VIR in 2004 whilst we
were driving back to Iowa via Memphis (Denise is a BIG Elvis fan), St Louis,
the Mississippi and other parts of the mid-west. 

 

A great weekend, so many special people (too many to mention individually)
so a big thank you to you all once more.

 

See you at Laguna Seca in 2011.

 

Cheers, Keith & Denise

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 24 11:19:33 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:19:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR/FOT HEARTLAND KASTNER CUP POSTER Featuring Sam Halkias
Message-ID: <8CD11C7A75C80C3-9D0-2A44@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>

This is an exceptional piece...heavy stock, 11 x 17

it is the second one produced by blake discher for the kastner cup and likely
not the last

if you are not a vtr member, you should consider it.

with FOT Mike Cook at the helm of the magazine, the magazine is well worth
it.

anyway, for $12 it will get you a poster, mailing tube, and shipping.

it features sam halkias, who showed us the way at TOPEKA.

PayPal  to   n197tr4 at cs.com   and i'll get it to you as soon as i can.

cash goes to the FOT coffers.

JOE A

From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 24 11:49:07 2010
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:49:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca
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Message-ID: <11561.8822.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'd like to have my car on the transporter.
Keep me in the loop.
Dennis


Excellent!

Not too soon to plan.

From dlhogye at comcast.net  Tue Aug 24 12:25:52 2010
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:25:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
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Message-ID: <934743704.271217.1282674352742.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

FoT, 


Kas does not necessarily have an easy decision to make when it comes down to this group of drivers and their cars. A quality bunch with some really neat and fast old machines for sure. Keith must have made the choice for the Kasnter Cup a bit easier. He's a smooth and fast driver and has a fast and tidy car. It was a real pleasure spending some time with him and his wife Denise, his bro Cliff, Imelda, and his tuner friend, Simon. I felt it was appropriate that Bob Kramer was the recipient for the Bill Ames Award; I've experienced his generosity and support. The FoT are a special group and I'm thankful to be included. A b ig congratulations to Keith and Bob and a big thanks to Joe and his tremendous efforts in bringing us together for this event. 


Dave Hogye 


p.s. Oh, and Joe, thanks for letting me drive the Ambro. It was worth the trip just to sneak it on the track for a couple of laps. 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: n197tr4 at cs.com 
To: fot at autox.team.net 
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 3:47:56 PM 
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup 

FoT, 

When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition, 
this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever. 

The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show. 

Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after a 
great drive and a very consistently fast weekend. 

This is what it is all about...... 

John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at Leguna 
Seca next June. More details to follow. 

Of course Kas & Peg were a delight. 

We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult 
beverages. 

Joe Alexander 
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 24 12:47:53 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:47:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] New FOT MEMBER   -   SIMON WATSON   (UK)
In-Reply-To: <EA8EA963AAAF4348AD511E90F66C861F@homekeith>
References: <E9B2BAEDFE2C4835BBC978B43794A614@homekeith>
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	<EA8EA963AAAF4348AD511E90F66C861F@homekeith>
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Please welcome Simon Watson to the FOT.

He is being sponsored by Keith Files. See a brief on his background below.

Many met him at TOPEKA for the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix.

Certainly a potential valuable resource to us, a good friend, and a
gentleman..

I need to get an email address to Mark Bradakis...give me a moment before you
try to contact him.

Joe Alexander

PS: Please be looking for details on a new approach to gaining 'membership' in
the FOT. The old way is not working well and needs to be changed.





Simon Watson b he is the parts manager for TR Enterprises here in England;
they look after my TR6 as well as one of the 57 Sebring TR3s (it came 2nd in
class so it wasnbt the one that Bob Johns drove). He also races FIA TR4s
that belong to his father, holds an International Historic C Race license and
an International Historic Rally license b he is also a bit of an archivist
and does all of the FIA paperwork for significant race and rally cars.

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 24 12:57:49 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:57:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Race engines
In-Reply-To: <20100824184440.0QUHU.170181.root@hrndva-web19-z01>
References: <20100824184440.0QUHU.170181.root@hrndva-web19-z01>
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FOT: Anyone have full name and contact information on our two friends in
Florida?

Thanks,

Joe


-----Original Message-----
To: n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 1:44 pm
Subject: Race engines



Please e-mail or call me with the name and or phone number for a person or
ompany any where around Florida who might be doing top notch engine work. If
ou would call, I would appreciate it.  Just so you know, I got your name and
-mail from Mark Macy @ Macy's garage. My name is Rick Rone.    Thank you in
advance.
Rick

From tedtsimx at bright.net  Tue Aug 24 13:27:43 2010
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 15:27:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca
In-Reply-To: <8CD11B1C26A58CF-83C-FFEE@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
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	<8CD11B1C26A58CF-83C-FFEE@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C741D2F.7010300@bright.net>

Joe and list. In terms of historic significance, the most logical choice 
is Sebring.  It is Sebring's 60th anniversary of the 12 Hour. Triumph 
had a strong presence at the track over the years. Kas was a major 
player at the track with the TR effort (and with Nissan if we dare say 
that word), FOT member Ed Diehl drove the race in one of the factory 
TR4's, etc. Downside is the 12 Hour is a very busy week-end and 
depending on support races track time is ???  But, if  you want to be 
part of a truly historic event, this is worth looking at.  No where else 
will you be able to show the cars in front of 100,000 + people .  Ted



n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> Excellent!
>
> Not too soon to plan.
>
> There are others that are discussing this and shared information would be
> useful.
>
> John Nikas is thinking in terms of 75 Triumphs.
>
> Joe
>
> NOTE:  Sanctioning Body and Venue now needs to be decided for 2012 for the
> 60th Anniversary. We have two invitations, and several ideas. The ideas have
> not yet developed into proposals.
>
> This will not be a unilateral decision.....it will be based on the best
> proposal that serves the best interests
> of the FOT.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com>
> To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 8:36 am
> Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca
>
>
> I don't know if this is to early to start thinking about how some of
> s Easterners (yes I consider myself an Easterner because we live in
> he eastern time zone!) can maybe get together and rent a transporter
> o make the trip.
> I've dealt with two different transporters that I would trust with our
> ehicles.  One uses an enclosed trailer that could handle probably 6
> ehicles.  The other is a hot shot trucker with an open 40 foot
> railer that could probably haul 3 cars plus misc equipment.  Most
> eople don't like open trailers and the only reason I mention this guy
> s I consider him trust worthy and I know he watches over his loads
> herever he goes.
> Depending on circumstances we might be interested in sharing a common
> ransport with others that want to head from the easter half of the
> ountry to Laguna Seca.
> So for those of you who might want to have your car transported to CA
> nd back feel free to contact me off list.
> Brad
> ______________________________________________
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Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022

From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Aug 24 14:03:16 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 15:03:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] New FOT MEMBER   -   SIMON WATSON   (UK)
In-Reply-To: <8CD11D3FEBF6AC5-199C-12F0@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
References: <E9B2BAEDFE2C4835BBC978B43794A614@homekeith>
	<8CD11C8A8C97FC8-9D0-2C50@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
	<EA8EA963AAAF4348AD511E90F66C861F@homekeith>
	<8CD11D3FEBF6AC5-199C-12F0@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000701cb43c7$667779d0$33666d70$@com>

Second to Simon Watson.  Had the chance to talk to him at Topeka.  Great
guy.  Was able to discuss some TR5 issues with him and he was most generous
in his information and time.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 1:48 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] New FOT MEMBER - SIMON WATSON (UK)

Please welcome Simon Watson to the FOT.

He is being sponsored by Keith Files. See a brief on his background below.

Many met him at TOPEKA for the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix.

Certainly a potential valuable resource to us, a good friend, and a
gentleman..

I need to get an email address to Mark Bradakis...give me a moment before
you
try to contact him.

Joe Alexander

PS: Please be looking for details on a new approach to gaining 'membership'
in
the FOT. The old way is not working well and needs to be changed.





Simon Watson b he is the parts manager for TR Enterprises here in England;
they look after my TR6 as well as one of the 57 Sebring TR3s (it came 2nd in
class so it wasnbt the one that Bob Johns drove). He also races FIA TR4s
that belong to his father, holds an International Historic C Race license
and
an International Historic Rally license b he is also a bit of an archivist
and does all of the FIA paperwork for significant race and rally cars.
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 24 14:55:23 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:55:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Suggestions for the 60th Anniversary of Triumphs
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Ted,

Excellent offering!  And certainly a candidate to consider.

Track time is severely limited, usually, but if that is not an issue, it
certainly is an adventure. I have been there three times and once drove a MGB
to a stunning last place finish.

All we need is a PROPOSAL from someone that contains a confirmation that we
are being invited to come by the sanctioning body and what they have in mind
for us.

A real visionary would propose a CLASSIC 12 HOURS OF SEBRING race for 1.2
Hours of racing  prior to the real 12 HOURS of SEBRING.....like they do at THE
24 HOURS OF LE MANS.....that has grown into a serious vintage event.

Ted, do you have someone that could make a proposal?  We need someone to lead
that effort.

THANKS!

Joe Alexander


Joe and list. In terms of historic significance, the most logical choice is
Sebring. It is Sebring's 60th anniversary of the 12 Hour. Triumph had a strong
presence at the track over the years. Kas was a major player at the track with
the TR effort (and with Nissan if we dare say that word), FOT member Ed Diehl
drove the race in one of the factory TR4's, etc. Downside is the 12 Hour is a
very busy week-end and depending on support races track time is ??? But, if
you want to be part of a truly historic event, this is worth looking at. No
where else will you be able to show the cars in front of 100,000 + people .
Ted

From rocky at spitfire4.com  Tue Aug 24 16:21:28 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:21:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
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Message-ID: <F5FD1ACC2A464DDDA6578F0697AD4AAD@rocky>

Just wanted to say thanks to you, Joe, and Bill Rinke, for inviting me down 
as a VIP (probably oughta be VUP, but they didn't have any passes printed up 
that way).

Fun to put my Spitfire on display even though I did not want to race it this 
close to the Solo Nationals, my key event each year (I'm one of eight 
drivers who've been to all of them -- this year is the 38th. And the 
Spitfire has driven in 37, more than any other single car).

So great to see that fleet of TR4s in the Kastner Cup race, with a few other 
Triumphs mixed in. I worked grid much of the weekend and grabbed the job to 
split the Kastner Cup race -- the idiot who stands in the middle of pit lane 
as the cars come off the grid; pointing "You go this side, you go that 
side.")

Good to finally meet Kas in person, Joe too, and a few others.

Some may have noticed my team name Ikke se Hurtig Racing on the fender of 
the Spitfire. Sunday as I was loading up a lady with her two teen-agers 
stopped to take a picture, because her maiden name was Hurtig. They knew 
what Hurtig meant (fast, swift), but weren't sure of the Ikke part (not --  
ergo, Not So Fast).

Good to see FOT at my home track.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 5:47 PM
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup


> FoT,
>
> When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition,
> this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
>
> The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
>
> Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after 
> a
> great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
>
> This is what it is all about......
>
> John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at 
> Leguna
> Seca next June.  More details to follow.
>
> Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.
>
> We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
> beverages.
>
> Joe Alexander
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From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Aug 24 17:10:13 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:10:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park
In-Reply-To: <E9B2BAEDFE2C4835BBC978B43794A614@homekeith>
Message-ID: <20100824191013.SXHLB.1555515.imail@eastrmwml30>

It is our agreement that  the trophy will be in Jeff Snooks Car Museum along with the car..  Good place. Keith drove a perfect race with out a deviation on 5 year old tires , a good job indeed. (I  suggested he buy tires but he was too protective of his wallet). :-)
---- Keith Files <keithfiles at btinternet.com> wrote: 

=============
Dear All,

 

I would like to thank you all for making the event so special; the warmth
and affection that you showed to me, Denise, my mad brother, Imelda and
Simon was truly exceptional - we love coming over and racing with you guys
and will continue to do so for many more years to come.

 

The real high point of the weekend was to receive the Kastner Cup from Kas
himself; it was a humbling experience especially when I consider the high
calibre of cars and fellow racers that were in the mix and all deserving of
the trophy in your own special way. You should all know that the Cup hasn't
actually left the US as there was enough trouble with US Immigration on the
way in without looking for more trouble on the way out :-)

 

I would like to give a big shout out to Joe Alexander for not only making
Heartland Park happen but for getting me away from my mighty TR6 and into
the 4 pot camp; a plot that that was hatched after VIR in 2004 whilst we
were driving back to Iowa via Memphis (Denise is a BIG Elvis fan), St Louis,
the Mississippi and other parts of the mid-west. 

 

A great weekend, so many special people (too many to mention individually)
so a big thank you to you all once more.

 

See you at Laguna Seca in 2011.

 

Cheers, Keith & Denise
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Aug 24 17:43:52 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:43:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] VTR/FOT HEARTLAND KASTNER CUP POSTER Featuring Sam Halkias
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I had been planning on picking up one of these posters in person at
the event, and maybe getting a few autographs on it along the way.
And also a set of Kas' books to replace the ones I loaned out -
that's a sad story.

Oh well.  I wonder what calamity will befall me when it is time
to head for Laguna Seca?

mjb.

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Aug 24 17:59:20 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 23:59:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park/Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <1483591846.253074.1282694360641.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Greetings FoT

I had a great time at Heartland Park this past weekend and would like to thank
everyone for

your support and friendship.

Due to some difficulties I had with my tow vehicle and trailer I didnbt have
time to

get around and meet everyone so please donbt feel like I was just being
unsociable.

It was an honor and pleasure.



B 

Jim Gray

# 102

From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 24 19:07:54 2010
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (T Thompson)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:07:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] HPT/Kastner Cup Race
Message-ID: <381737.99905.qm@web65711.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Being new to FOT (and to vintage racing), I want to say that you are all such
a 
great group of folks and this was a very memorable event!   To be part of
the 
Kastner Cup Race and to meet so many great folks is something Angela and
I will 
never forget. 

In true form, Bob Kramer helped me with a set of the
"right plugs" which I think 
enabled me to keep Ryan Murphy at bay (what a
race for us!). Although I am 
always getting help from folks in RMVR (Jim G.,
Mark E., Jim R. and Dan F. to 
name a few), Bob and I had just met and he was
willing to lend a helping hand in 
between replacing a wheel cylinder or
replacing pads on his own car. Well 
deserving of the recognition to say the
least! 

And, I hope my wife Angela didn't bug Kas and others for too many
pictures and 
autographs, but she certainly had fun being a vintage race car
gal.  She loves 
these old cars.  Many thanks to Ken for taking her on a few
laps around the 
track at lunch in his nice TR3 he had for sale at the track
(her favorite...glad 
I left the checkbook at home!). 

Angela also took quite
a few pictures that others may want. We will send these 
out to folks off
list, but if there is repository for photos, let us know and we 
will load
them there.

We can't wait for next year! 

Again, thanks to Bill and others
for putting on such a memorable event.   

Ty & Angela
#413

From tlizzard at msn.com  Tue Aug 24 19:17:10 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:17:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] New FOT MEMBER   -   SIMON WATSON   (UK)
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I will definitely third this.

It was a pleasure to work with Simon for the four days we were there. Beyond
the fact that he is a very knowledgeable TR guy and a driver in his own right,
he is, as Bill Dettinger puts it, "good people".  His membership in our merry
band will make the whole much greater than the sum of the parts.

Terry Stetler

From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Tue Aug 24 19:37:36 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:37:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Suggestions for the 60th Anniversary of Triumphs
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  It is about an hour and half from me here in the Orlando area (Mount 
Dora, FL). Not volunteering yet!

There is always a vintage race on Thursday or Friday preceding the 
Saturday 12 hour race. I'm sure it is not an hour long race but if the 
sanctioning body could be convinced of the significance of a Triumph 60 
year tribute race and enough Triumphs committed to show up....who knows?

Bob

On 8/24/2010 4:55 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> Ted,
>
> Excellent offering!  And certainly a candidate to consider.
>
> Track time is severely limited, usually, but if that is not an issue, it
> certainly is an adventure. I have been there three times and once drove a MGB
> to a stunning last place finish.
>
> All we need is a PROPOSAL from someone that contains a confirmation that we
> are being invited to come by the sanctioning body and what they have in mind
> for us.
>
> A real visionary would propose a CLASSIC 12 HOURS OF SEBRING race for 1.2
> Hours of racing  prior to the real 12 HOURS of SEBRING.....like they do at THE
> 24 HOURS OF LE MANS.....that has grown into a serious vintage event.
>
> Ted, do you have someone that could make a proposal?  We need someone to lead
> that effort.
>
> THANKS!
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
> Joe and list. In terms of historic significance, the most logical choice is
> Sebring. It is Sebring's 60th anniversary of the 12 Hour. Triumph had a strong
> presence at the track over the years. Kas was a major player at the track with
> the TR effort (and with Nissan if we dare say that word), FOT member Ed Diehl
> drove the race in one of the factory TR4's, etc. Downside is the 12 Hour is a
> very busy week-end and depending on support races track time is ??? But, if
> you want to be part of a truly historic event, this is worth looking at. No
> where else will you be able to show the cars in front of 100,000 + people .
> Ted
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 24 20:03:30 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:03:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] HS6 question
Message-ID: <789747.6897.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Well the good news is I have the car back together again after all the
problems 
in May and July in Seattle.  The engine has been completely
rebuilt.  We ran the 
car on a Dyno today and all went well except it seems to
run out of gas at 5640 
rpm.  That is it starts sputtering and getting real
lean. We checked the floats 
and there is fuel in them and we worked on the
timing.  We are going to try make 
sure the points springs are strong next. 
The folks helping with the car are 
very experienced.   Is there something
missing?  I have RV needles (if that 
helps).  Has anyone else had similar
problems? 


As always looking for the groups convential wisdom.

Thanks Mike
Mehl

At least I have time before the Columbia River Classic Labor day
weekend. (where 
the KAS cup was run last year)

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 24 20:19:30 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:19:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Suggestions for the 60th Anniversary of Triumphs
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I'd like to get some FOT together down there some day even if it isnt the
60th.

It's great place to be.






-----Original Message-----
From: Bob <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 8:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Suggestions for the 60th Anniversary of Triumphs


  It is about an hour and half from me here in the Orlando area (Mount
ora, FL). Not volunteering yet!
There is always a vintage race on Thursday or Friday preceding the
aturday 12 hour race. I'm sure it is not an hour long race but if the
anctioning body could be convinced of the significance of a Triumph 60
ear tribute race and enough Triumphs committed to show up....who knows?
Bob
On 8/24/2010 4:55 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
 Ted,

 Excellent offering!  And certainly a candidate to consider.

 Track time is severely limited, usually, but if that is not an issue, it
 certainly is an adventure. I have been there three times and once drove a
MGB
 to a stunning last place finish.

 All we need is a PROPOSAL from someone that contains a confirmation that we
 are being invited to come by the sanctioning body and what they have in mind
 for us.

 A real visionary would propose a CLASSIC 12 HOURS OF SEBRING race for 1.2
 Hours of racing  prior to the real 12 HOURS of SEBRING.....like they do at
THE
 24 HOURS OF LE MANS.....that has grown into a serious vintage event.

 Ted, do you have someone that could make a proposal?  We need someone to
lead
 that effort.

 THANKS!

 Joe Alexander


 Joe and list. In terms of historic significance, the most logical choice is
 Sebring. It is Sebring's 60th anniversary of the 12 Hour. Triumph had a
strong
 presence at the track over the years. Kas was a major player at the track
with
 the TR effort (and with Nissan if we dare say that word), FOT member Ed
Diehl
 drove the race in one of the factory TR4's, etc. Downside is the 12 Hour is
a
 very busy week-end and depending on support races track time is ??? But, if
 you want to be part of a truly historic event, this is worth looking at. No
 where else will you be able to show the cars in front of 100,000 + people .
 Ted
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Aug 24 20:29:32 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 20:29:32 -0600
Subject: [Fot] HS6 question
In-Reply-To: <789747.6897.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <789747.6897.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C74800C.2040106@bradakis.com>

Are you running a stock fuel pump?

mjb.

From stutzmans at comcast.net  Tue Aug 24 20:42:27 2010
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:42:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen
Message-ID: <AB26D7084B524933841ABBBFF326AAB3@ComputerPC>

Does anyone going to Watkins have extra crew passes available to a couple WPTA
guys?
Bruce

From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 24 20:45:31 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:45:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 HS6 question
In-Reply-To: <789747.6897.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <789747.6897.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <252819.89928.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

forgot to mention what car
Mike




________________________________
From:
Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To: Triumph Friends of <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 7:03:30 PM
Subject: [Fot] HS6 question

Well the
good news is I have the car back together again after all the
problems 
in May
and July in Seattle.  The engine has been completely
rebuilt.  We ran the 
car
on a Dyno today and all went well except it seems to
run out of gas at 5640
rpm.  That is it starts sputtering and getting real
lean. We checked the
floats 
and there is fuel in them and we worked on the
timing.  We are going
to try make 
sure the points springs are strong next. 
The folks helping with
the car are 
very experienced.  Is there something
missing?  I have RV needles
(if that 
helps).  Has anyone else had similar
problems? 


As always looking
for the groups convential wisdom.

Thanks Mike
Mehl

At least I have time
before the Columbia River Classic Labor day
weekend. (where 
the KAS cup was
run last year)
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Tue Aug 24 22:05:04 2010
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:05:04 +1000
Subject: [Fot] toyota calipers for TR's
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=N70R7_5HG-W+kw4=GEjGnwZuD3F72+etnEO2z@mail.gmail.com>

folks, i'm aware Toyota 4WD front brake calipers can be easily fitted to
TR's. . All the write-ups only discuss calipers suited for solid discs.
I have got one from a early 90's Toyota that had vented rotors, but it has
two big pistons and wont suit the TR master cyl.
Has anyone found a model that has the 2 different size pistons, and uses a
vented rotor??

thanks, Terry O'Beirne
Australia

From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Aug 24 23:00:33 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 00:00:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] toyota calipers for TR's
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=N70R7_5HG-W+kw4=GEjGnwZuD3F72+etnEO2z@mail.gmail.c om>
References: <AANLkTi=N70R7_5HG-W+kw4=GEjGnwZuD3F72+etnEO2z@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100825045950.F2BE7187645@autox.team.net>

A quick google search turned up this site:
http://www.turbo-tr6.info/tr6_brake_install.htm

It has both the solid rotor and the vented rotor conversions.

I notice that it has the rotor mounted to the Aluminum Hubs that 
should be available again shortly.

Tony Drews

At 11:05 PM 8/24/2010, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:
>folks, i'm aware Toyota 4WD front brake calipers can be easily fitted to
>TR's. . All the write-ups only discuss calipers suited for solid discs.
>I have got one from a early 90's Toyota that had vented rotors, but it has
>two big pistons and wont suit the TR master cyl.
>Has anyone found a model that has the 2 different size pistons, and uses a
>vented rotor??
>
>thanks, Terry O'Beirne
>Australia

From brinke at cebridge.net  Tue Aug 24 20:50:39 2010
From: brinke at cebridge.net (Bill Rinke)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:50:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
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	<444D5851BBC74B7EB246AD399DBC005C@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <A22DEAB050F5419CB0EF080C682BD7AB@main>

Hi Bob,

I am trying to answer 193 emails that I received after our event was held.
Looks like most if not all of them are of the thank you and congratulation
type notes.
Glad you got home in fine shape but suspect you, like many of us, are a bit
tired.
Yep, the young guys did show up and I think all of them did quite well,
including your son.  We need the youth to make vintage racing survive.
A big hooray for your receipt of the Bill Ames award.  That is awesome.
I am familiar with MyLaps and will try to find out how to put our event
results on there.  Only so many hours in the day while trying to play catch up
on so many different issues that seem to be popping up after a week in
Topeka.
Thanks so much for coming out to play with us.  We sure hope that everything
met your satisfaction and that you had a ton of fun.
I know the FoT address that I also copied on this is an address that does not
receive my email so if you wish , you may forward it.
Bill

----- Original Message -----
  From: Bob Kramer
  To: GSFuqua1 at aol.com ; Bill Rinke
  Cc: Andrew Kramer ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 10:38 AM
  Subject: MyLaps[Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup


  I drove through the night and made it home at 5:30 this morning. The one
  hour nap at the TX border helped. For all the worries about heat I think we
  had a great weekend. Even the thunder boomers Friday were somewhat enjoyable
  to this TX guy. The cloud cover Saturday and the breeze all weekend kept us
  cool enough in the shade, if you had a good supply of dry t-shirts. Now that
  I'm home I recognize that I lied to you all, it is hotter here. Oh well,
  I'll have to unload anyway. I have a few shirts left.

  I met a lot of people whose names I recognized from the list and I've got to
  tell those that weren't able to make it that the FoT is growing and more
  vibrant than ever. That Colorado clan has something going on there. What a
  nice group of folks. Seeing them all together reminded me of my first FoT
  exposure at Blackhawk Farms when Joe put me up in a tent for the weekend.
  That type of camaraderie is the fiber that runs through all of us. I was
  really pleased to see the young guys running and hear about even more in the
  pipeline. My son had a great time and I think he is hooked for good. Thanks
  for welcoming him. In his tired old TR4 he managed to get within 4 seconds
  of his old man on our best laps. I'll need to get bigger mirrors for the
  future.

  Thank you  Larry for honoring me with the Bill Ames Award. I meant it when I
  said that I was surrounded by a large group of people just like me, that all
  deserve this award. I help where I can and so does everyone else. It's that
  FoT fiber thing. When I started I learned so much from people like Joe, Jack
  and Hardy P, as well as Ken G and Ted S and a long list of others along the
  way. I still have a lot to learn. It was pretty cool to paddock nect to the
  Champ. Sam is a genuine good guy. Racing his TR6 with the SCCA at the
  highest levels might seem to put him in a different world, but he just like
  us in every other way. Thanks Sam.

  Are we going to be able look at laptimes on MyLaps, but I don't know for
  sure. Bill or Gary, is that going to happen? I got in the habit of not
  picking up laptimes at CVAR races because the data gets to MyLaps so
  quickly.Just wondering.

  Laguna Seca! I'll probably MapQuest the route a few dozen time this week.
:)

  Bob Kramer
  Volente, TX

  Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch
  excellence.
  Vince Lombardi
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
  To: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
  Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup


  > And...... the Bill Ames award was passed to Bob Kramer.  Bob has helped
  > countless Triumphs get on or back on to the race track.  He's one of the
  > best drivers I know.  He gives away parts, is a gentleman racer, and he
  > has towed to almost all of the FoT focus events.  A great guy and worthy
  > recipient.
  > -Larry Young
  >
  > n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
  >> FoT,
  >>
  >> When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and
  >> competition,
  >> this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
  >>
  >> The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
  >>
  >> Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup
  >> after a
  >> great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
  >>
  >> This is what it is all about......
  >>
  >> John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at
  >> Leguna
  >> Seca next June.  More details to follow.
  >>
  >> Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.
  >>
  >> We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
  >> beverages.
  >>
  >> Joe Alexander
  >> _______________________________________________
  >> fot at autox.team.net
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From jason at multivintage.com  Mon Aug 23 09:08:25 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:08:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <587337.60931.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <4C71E01D.9040304@pobox.com>
	<587337.60931.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
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Man those were some fast TRs. It was pretty much a swarm of TR4's. With the
exception of Jeff Snook in his fast Tr3 running up front, a very fast
spitfire in the hands of  Joseph Hovey at mid pack, me in my GT6... (after
an amazing story of overcoming certain failier) and Joe in his Ambro... it
was a starting grid of TR4 Beauty and Speed.

Major battles were seen for every position. And up front the action was hot,
hot, hot. For the 3rd spot on the podium. Tony Drews, Jim Gray, and Greg
"Lunker" Hilyer had a TR4 battle royal with grass flying and tires smoking.
Unfortunately, for Greg, His whole car was smoking by the near end, he was
out of the mix with a broken battery terminal and was parked on the side of
the track with so much smoke I thought his car was on fire when I went by.
But that pack up front was flying... Tony's car just keeps getting faster
and faster.

The Awesome Group of guys from Colorado really helped fill the grid headed
up by Jim Gray and his Dads old gorgeous and Impeccably prepared no. 102. A
close 4th overall but not able to catch Tony.

The stars up font... Kieth Files all the way from England unmatched in the
Tr4 group... two seconds a lap faster than  all others. (Fittingly in Kas's
old car built for Sebring)

Our Hero in Modern Triumph racing, Sam Halkias... simply walked away from
everyone with a fast lap of the kastner cup of 1:55.726. five seconds faster
than the next car in line.

Other highlights or rather low lights... Joe Alexander spun the ambro in the
big race and Sean Alexander left pices of motor trailing down the front
strait after an impressive show of speed all weekend.

Overall a great fast and fun weekend and we FOT'ers really were the stars of
the weekend with the biggest and most exciting groups all weekend.

Thats my report...
More on my unique story of NOT being beaten by equipment later...
Jason Ostrowski. Friendly Ghost Racing 69 GT6 # 27



On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 7:37 AM, Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Congrats, Mr. Kramer.
>
> --- On Sun, 8/22/10, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
> To: n197tr4 at cs.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 9:42 PM
>
>
> And...... the Bill Ames award was passed to Bob Kramer.  Bob has helped
> countless Triumphs get on or back on to the race track.  He's one of the
> best drivers I know.  He gives away parts, is a gentleman racer, and he
> has towed to almost all of the FoT focus events.  A great guy and worthy
> recipient.
> -Larry Young
>
> n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> > FoT,
> >
> > When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and
> competition,
> > this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
> >
> > The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
> >
> > Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup
> after
> a
> > great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
> >
> > This is what it is all about......
> >
> > John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at
> Leguna
> > Seca next June.  More details to follow.
> >
> > Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.
> >
> > We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
> > beverages.
> >
> > Joe Alexander
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
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From jason at multivintage.com  Mon Aug 23 09:57:42 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:57:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
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So after Hours of sweaty prep work... I had to remove the rear extension on
my GT6 the night before I was going to leave for the big Kastner cup as I
found a major leak was dripping from the trans. It was cracked. I removed
it, replaced it, and got everything back together... but I was nervous
because I had never taken that rear extension off and something strange had
happened. The lower rod popped out a bit all by itself as I was putting on
the new piece. I thought to myself... I wonder it that funny sound I heard
was a needle bearing or two falling into the bottom of the trans... but it
all seemed to go back together OK... I really wanted to make that race.

I left the next night... already on no sleep. Me and my Dad made the 10 hour
tow down to Heartland Park. We Arrived at 6:30 A.M Registered and unloaded
the Car. I made about 5 laps and as soon as I started to pick up the pace
and try a few laps at race speed the trans started to vibrate violently.
Headed for the pits, stopped, and couldn't get the car into gear.I was Done.

Flash to Saturday night 4:00 P.M. I was happy with resigning to the fact
that now I could just drink a lot of Beer all weekend. Some guy I had never
met Before who auto crosses a Gt6 came up to me and my poor broken car.
"I've got a trans that's been sitting In my garage for years.. Its kind of
dirty but you are welcome to it... You can have it for FREE.

Suddenly, I could see myself raising the Kasnter Cup over my head with
Champagne flying and the crowds cheering as my humble GT6 had beaten the
fastest TR's in the world.

He drove home and brought back a stinky, dirty, and FREE trans. We removed
the old one, cleaned up the new one, sealed it, lubed it, and snugged
everything up. In a moment of sheer bliss I fired the car up at almost 11:00
P.M. It was Alive again. I cruised the paddock and ran through the gears.
FGR was Back In the Game.

I ran the practice in the morning, The Group 7 race, and the Kastner Cup, I
was a bit off the pace I wanted to be running as I was short on track time.
But hey, I was racing. I had a great time trying to catch Andrew Kramer and
even passed a few cars on the start. A great weekend... a great Kastner Cup!

Jason Ostrowski, Friendly Ghost Racing, Triumph GT6 #27


On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>wrote:

> Man those were some fast TRs. It was pretty much a swarm of TR4's. With the
> exception of Jeff Snook in his fast Tr3 running up front, a very fast
> spitfire in the hands of  Joseph Hovey at mid pack, me in my GT6... (after
> an amazing story of overcoming certain failier) and Joe in his Ambro... it
> was a starting grid of TR4 Beauty and Speed.
>
> Major battles were seen for every position. And up front the action was
> hot, hot, hot. For the 3rd spot on the podium. Tony Drews, Jim Gray, and
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer had a TR4 battle royal with grass flying and tires
> smoking. Unfortunately, for Greg, His whole car was smoking by the near end,
> he was out of the mix with a broken battery terminal and was parked on the
> side of the track with so much smoke I thought his car was on fire when I
> went by. But that pack up front was flying... Tony's car just keeps getting
> faster and faster.
>
> The Awesome Group of guys from Colorado really helped fill the grid headed
> up by Jim Gray and his Dads old gorgeous and Impeccably prepared no. 102. A
> close 4th overall but not able to catch Tony.
>
> The stars up font... Kieth Files all the way from England unmatched in the
> Tr4 group... two seconds a lap faster than  all others. (Fittingly in Kas's
> old car built for Sebring)
>
> Our Hero in Modern Triumph racing, Sam Halkias... simply walked away from
> everyone with a fast lap of the kastner cup of 1:55.726. five seconds faster
> than the next car in line.
>
> Other highlights or rather low lights... Joe Alexander spun the ambro in
> the big race and Sean Alexander left pices of motor trailing down the front
> strait after an impressive show of speed all weekend.
>
> Overall a great fast and fun weekend and we FOT'ers really were the stars
> of the weekend with the biggest and most exciting groups all weekend.
>
> Thats my report...
> More on my unique story of NOT being beaten by equipment later...
> Jason Ostrowski. Friendly Ghost Racing 69 GT6 # 27
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 7:37 AM, Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Congrats, Mr. Kramer.
>>
>> --- On Sun, 8/22/10, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
>> To: n197tr4 at cs.com
>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>> Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 9:42 PM
>>
>>
>> And...... the Bill Ames award was passed to Bob Kramer.  Bob has helped
>> countless Triumphs get on or back on to the race track.  He's one of the
>> best drivers I know.  He gives away parts, is a gentleman racer, and he
>> has towed to almost all of the FoT focus events.  A great guy and worthy
>> recipient.
>> -Larry Young
>>
>> n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
>> > FoT,
>> >
>> > When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and
>> competition,
>> > this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
>> >
>> > The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
>> >
>> > Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup
>> after
>> a
>> > great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
>> >
>> > This is what it is all about......
>> >
>> > John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at
>> Leguna
>> > Seca next June.  More details to follow.
>> >
>> > Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.
>> >
>> > We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
>> > beverages.
>> >
>> > Joe Alexander
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > fot at autox.team.net
>> >
>> > http://www.fot-racing.com
>> >
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Aug 25 01:15:02 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:15:02 +0200
Subject: [Fot] toyota calipers for TR's
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My point on this is that the stock brake is great and do the racing job for
hours without any lack of performance....IF there is good brake fluid used
and proper brake pads.
The stock Triumph brake is even better than in my Porsche.

Cheers
Chris

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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. August 2010 06:05
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] toyota calipers for TR's

folks, i'm aware Toyota 4WD front brake calipers can be easily fitted to
TR's. . All the write-ups only discuss calipers suited for solid discs.
I have got one from a early 90's Toyota that had vented rotors, but it has
two big pistons and wont suit the TR master cyl.
Has anyone found a model that has the 2 different size pistons, and uses a
vented rotor??

thanks, Terry O'Beirne
Australia
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Wed Aug 25 04:15:41 2010
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:15:41 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Toyota calipers for TR's
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All the wider Toyota calipers I have found that suit vented rotors, have
bigger caliper pistons resulting in too much stroke of the TR6 master cyl..
I have found versions with 2 x large & 2 x smaller  pistons and others with
4 large pistons. The total piston area in all of these is much bigger than
the stock TR caliper. The early hilux/4-runner ones made for solid rotors
have differential size pistons that are almost identical in total piston
area to a TR caliper. I am trying to find calipers with the smaller pistons,
that are made for vented rotors.
The excellent article entitled "toyota brake install" by Lee Janssen does
not deal with this issue.

Terry O'Beirne
Australia

From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Wed Aug 25 07:09:04 2010
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:09:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca
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Ted's got a good point 

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ted Schumacher
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:28 PM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: brad.kahler at 141.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca

Joe and list. In terms of historic significance, the most logical choice 
is Sebring.  It is Sebring's 60th anniversary of the 12 Hour. Triumph 
had a strong presence at the track over the years. Kas was a major 
player at the track with the TR effort (and with Nissan if we dare say 
that word), FOT member Ed Diehl drove the race in one of the factory 
TR4's, etc. Downside is the 12 Hour is a very busy week-end and 
depending on support races track time is ???  But, if  you want to be 
part of a truly historic event, this is worth looking at.  No where else 
will you be able to show the cars in front of 100,000 + people .  Ted



n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> Excellent!
>
> Not too soon to plan.
>
> There are others that are discussing this and shared information would be
> useful.
>
> John Nikas is thinking in terms of 75 Triumphs.
>
> Joe
>
> NOTE:  Sanctioning Body and Venue now needs to be decided for 2012 for the
> 60th Anniversary. We have two invitations, and several ideas. The ideas
have
> not yet developed into proposals.
>
> This will not be a unilateral decision.....it will be based on the best
> proposal that serves the best interests
> of the FOT.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com>
> To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 8:36 am
> Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca
>
>
> I don't know if this is to early to start thinking about how some of
> s Easterners (yes I consider myself an Easterner because we live in
> he eastern time zone!) can maybe get together and rent a transporter
> o make the trip.
> I've dealt with two different transporters that I would trust with our
> ehicles.  One uses an enclosed trailer that could handle probably 6
> ehicles.  The other is a hot shot trucker with an open 40 foot
> railer that could probably haul 3 cars plus misc equipment.  Most
> eople don't like open trailers and the only reason I mention this guy
> s I consider him trust worthy and I know he watches over his loads
> herever he goes.
> Depending on circumstances we might be interested in sharing a common
> ransport with others that want to head from the easter half of the
> ountry to Laguna Seca.
> So for those of you who might want to have your car transported to CA
> nd back feel free to contact me off list.
> Brad
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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 25 07:24:06 2010
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 06:24:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fw:  Toyota calipers for TR's
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From: Mike Munson fasttrs at yahoo.com

Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyota calipers
for TR's


Split the calipers and have spacers made that give you the extra
width. Thats 
what I had to do one time to a set of Jaguar calipers to make
them work with 
vented rotors. The old Jag. calipers are what we are required
to run on our SCCA 
TR6s.

Mike Munson




________________________________
From: Enquiries Road & Track <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au>
To: Peter Vucinic
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010
5:15:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyota calipers for TR's

All the wider Toyota
calipers I have found that suit vented rotors, have
bigger caliper pistons
resulting in too much stroke of the TR6 master cyl..
I have found versions
with 2 x large & 2 x smaller  pistons and others with
4 large pistons. The
total piston area in all of these is much bigger than
the stock TR caliper.
The early hilux/4-runner ones made for solid rotors
have differential size
pistons that are almost identical in total piston
area to a TR caliper. I am
trying to find calipers with the smaller pistons,
that are made for vented
rotors.
The excellent article entitled "toyota brake install" by Lee Janssen
does
not deal with this issue.

Terry O'Beirne
Australia
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 25 08:19:47 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:19:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca...now the 60th Anniversary
 selection of venue.
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Craig,

Sebring will need a 'champion' to pursue it.

Ideally, the sanctioning body and venue want us there.

This 60th Anniversary  and  the Kastner Cup event is way too big for me to
pursue on my own.

We need solid proposals and someone to pursue them.

(It seems logical that we combine the 60th and the Kastner Cup together, of
course, but they are separate entities)

If John Nikas had not stepped forward with Leguna Seca, I am not sure where we
would be for 2011. Only 10 MONTHS AWAY.

VSCDA'S ELVF is interested, but wants to know shortly for planning purposes.

Road America is certainly a candidate.

So is MOSPORT, ROAD ATLANTA, LIME ROCK, and the rest of North America, for
that matter.

If anyone wants to pursue ANY venue, please let me know and I will try to
help.

Joe A
Ted's got a good point

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ted Schumacher
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:28 PM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: brad.kahler at 141.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca

Joe and list. In terms of historic significance, the most logical choice
is Sebring.  It is Sebring's 60th anniversary of the 12 Hour. Triumph
had a strong presence at the track over the years. Kas was a major
player at the track with the TR effort (and with Nissan if we dare say
that word), FOT member Ed Diehl drove the race in one of the factory
TR4's, etc. Downside is the 12 Hour is a very busy week-end and
depending on support races track time is ???  But, if  you want to be
part of a truly historic event, this is worth looking at.  No where else
will you be able to show the cars in front of 100,000 + people .  Ted

From lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 25 08:54:16 2010
From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 08:54:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
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>  TR4 battle royal with grass flying and tires smoking.
> Unfortunately, for Greg, His whole car was smoking by the near end,  
> he was
> out of the mix with a broken battery terminal and was parked on the  
> side of
> the track with so much smoke I thought his car was on fire when I  
> went by.
Sure glad someone saw that pass - sure was fun! Two wheels on the  
rumble strip and two riding the grass on the inside and giving the  
boot the whole way.
When my race was over I parked off track and immediately smelled  
smoke. The grass over there was tall, brown and dry. The corner  
worker was not going to cross the hot track, so when I actually SAW  
smoke, I bailed and unloaded the fire extinguisher under the car.  
About the time the flat-tow got there the batt terminal had made just  
enough contact for the car to re-start. Then came the scary part -  
The corner worker told me the race was over and sent me back out.  
Thinking that everyone was on the cool-down lap, I was actually  
waving to the corner stations when Tony came by again. Thought he was  
going a bit fast for the cool-down lap but it didn't occur to me I  
was on a hot track until a couple more cars went by. Boy did I  
scramble to get off-line after that!
All in all, a wonderful event with my favorite crowd. I think Connie  
and I may have kept some of you guessing by alternating sessions. As  
it was, I got 2.5 sessions for the event [we missed friday] and that  
suited me just fine. I don't mean that I'm happy about getting beaten  
by a battery terminal but...
It is becoming way to common that my trip TO the event was more  
exciting than the race itself. Perhaps more on that after I've de- 
compressed a bit more.
Our thanks to all,

Connie, Barley and
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM

From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Aug 25 10:02:04 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:02:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Toyota calipers for TR's
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The article indicates that the wider calipers they specify appear to 
be identical to the narrower calipers except for the added width.  I 
assume that means that the piston diameters are very similar, but it 
doesn't specifically state that.  We used the narrower calipers with 
a TR-6 master cylinder for a while, I'm pretty sure.  They sure look 
that way in the pictures - the lumps in the casting look identical to 
the narrower calipers bolted to my car, one being larger in diameter 
than the other.

 From the article:

The Toyota calipers are 4-piston units from a 1988- April 1989 Toyota 
4-Runner, 4WD, 4Cyl. They look the same as the non-vented Toyota 
calipers; they're just wider to fit the vented rotors.

Calipers - Fenco C8554, C8555, Cardone 19-827, 19-826 (includes fitting kit).

Advance Auto parts 4/2006 price: $37.48 each w/ a $25 core (4/06)


- Tony

At 05:15 AM 8/25/2010, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:
>All the wider Toyota calipers I have found that suit vented rotors, have
>bigger caliper pistons resulting in too much stroke of the TR6 master cyl..
>I have found versions with 2 x large & 2 x smaller  pistons and others with
>4 large pistons. The total piston area in all of these is much bigger than
>the stock TR caliper. The early hilux/4-runner ones made for solid rotors
>have differential size pistons that are almost identical in total piston
>area to a TR caliper. I am trying to find calipers with the smaller pistons,
>that are made for vented rotors.
>The excellent article entitled "toyota brake install" by Lee Janssen does
>not deal with this issue.
>
>Terry O'Beirne
>Australia
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>
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Aug 25 10:02:08 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:02:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: SU HS6 Carbs for Sale]
Message-ID: <4C753E80.9020505@pobox.com>

If anyone is interested in these carbs, contact Sam.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	SU HS6 Carbs for Sale
Date: 	Wed, 25 Aug 2010 07:57:52 EDT
From: 	TRDOCTOR at aol.com
To: 	



 
 
I have a pair of HS6 carbs complete with manifold, linkage, and air 
cleaners for the 4 cyl. Triumph engine.  They are ready to bolt on and 
go.  They came off of our car during restoration and were running 
great.  They were set up by Jim Taylor and are ready to go.  $350
 
Sam

From markvaden at gmail.com  Wed Aug 25 12:16:44 2010
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:16:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Hoosier M6
Message-ID: <AANLkTik5ZQ3dS5aKviAx3mEwL-VC91rYPXKkfcMJxao3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I remember someone writing that you can buy the spec miata version of the R6
for a significant discount. Does any FOTer know of place in southern
california (San Diego preferably) that I can order a set?

Thanks,

Mark

-- 
Never miss a moment again...
www.video-replay.com

Check out my blog: http://parentphoto.blogspot.com/

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 25 15:38:19 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:38:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TOPEKA's     Father & Sons
Message-ID: <8CD12B4F85D74E0-4F7C-20E0@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com>

I was lookin for Father/Son Combinations this weekend...I found a few. And a
lot of pride to go with it.

FATHERS AND SONS

JACK DREWS                       TONY DREWS

JIM GRAY                             JIM GRAY

JOE ALEXANDER                 SEAN ALEXANDER

SEAN ALEXANDER               BRENDAN ALEXANDER

GREG OSTRONSKI               JASON OSTRONSKI

BOB KRAMER                      ANDREW KRAMER

         NIKAS                         JOHN NIKAS

(Wish my son Mark and his son could have been there, too)

John Nikas has his dad's original TR4

I think Jim Gray is driving his dad's old race prepared TR4.

If we had aircraft, we would have a 'missing man' formation but the influence
was still there.

Likely I am missing some folks, but these are the ones I know or could
remember.

What a legacy!

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 25 16:05:53 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:05:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] BOB JOHNS ON I-80     Witness to fiery fatal crash
Message-ID: <8CD12B8D206EE09-1D3C-2159@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com>

Bob called Tuesday. While traveling I-80 to Chicago a Jeep crossed the median
and struck a truck head-on.

Bob & Jean were 150 feet from being involved themselves and witnessed the
accident.

Eastbound lanes were closed for 90 minutes on I-80.

More indication of how fragile life is...

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------

(Good thing Gary Fuqua has good driving skills or I might be
incapacitated....following my errant AMBRO driving that resulted in a spin)

Thanks Gary!

Joe

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 25 16:21:25 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:21:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 2nd TOPEKA POSTER CALL
Message-ID: <8CD12BAFD728C3E-1D3C-25B4@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com>

FOT

I have requests for about 15 posters and maybe 40 left.

We have 297 folks on this list.

There must be 25 more folks that are interested enough to want a Kastner Cup
Poster........

and that have PayPal or a checkbook or cash.

I would like to dispose of them quickly and get it over with.

Or they will go on a shelf to steadily gain in value over the years.

Sam Halkias is immortalized, you know.

So 2nd Call is Last Call.

Thanks,

Joe A

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 25 16:23:53 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:23:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  TOPEKA's     Father & Sons
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WHOOPS    OSTROWSKI   sorry





-----Original Message-----
From: n197tr4 at cs.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: Mark.Alexander.ctr at ang.af.mil
Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 4:38 pm
Subject: [Fot] TOPEKA's Father & Sons


I was lookin for Father/Son Combinations this weekend...I found a few. And a
ot of pride to go with it.
FATHERS AND SONS
JACK DREWS                       TONY DREWS
JIM GRAY                             JIM GRAY
JOE ALEXANDER                 SEAN ALEXANDER
SEAN ALEXANDER               BRENDAN ALEXANDER
GREG OSTRONSKI               JASON OSTRONSKI
BOB KRAMER                      ANDREW KRAMER
         NIKAS                         JOHN NIKAS
(Wish my son Mark and his son could have been there, too)
John Nikas has his dad's original TR4
I think Jim Gray is driving his dad's old race prepared TR4.
If we had aircraft, we would have a 'missing man' formation but the influence
as still there.
Likely I am missing some folks, but these are the ones I know or could
emember.
What a legacy!
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From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Wed Aug 25 16:38:37 2010
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:38:37 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Toyota calipers for TR's
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Tony,
I concur with you and that's exactly the way I understood the calipers to
be. They have the same differential piston sizes, only being different with
respects to width for rotor design. I already run this style of caliper on
my TR4 with SOLID rotors.

Kind Regards
Peter Vucinic
TR-4





-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Drews [mailto:tony at tonydrews.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 26 August 2010 2:02 AM
To: Enquiries Road & Track; Peter Vucinic
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyota calipers for TR's

The article indicates that the wider calipers they specify appear to 
be identical to the narrower calipers except for the added width.  I 
assume that means that the piston diameters are very similar, but it 
doesn't specifically state that.  We used the narrower calipers with 
a TR-6 master cylinder for a while, I'm pretty sure.  They sure look 
that way in the pictures - the lumps in the casting look identical to 
the narrower calipers bolted to my car, one being larger in diameter 
than the other.

 From the article:

The Toyota calipers are 4-piston units from a 1988- April 1989 Toyota 
4-Runner, 4WD, 4Cyl. They look the same as the non-vented Toyota 
calipers; they're just wider to fit the vented rotors.

Calipers - Fenco C8554, C8555, Cardone 19-827, 19-826 (includes fitting
kit).

Advance Auto parts 4/2006 price: $37.48 each w/ a $25 core (4/06)


- Tony

At 05:15 AM 8/25/2010, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:
>All the wider Toyota calipers I have found that suit vented rotors, have
>bigger caliper pistons resulting in too much stroke of the TR6 master cyl..
>I have found versions with 2 x large & 2 x smaller  pistons and others with
>4 large pistons. The total piston area in all of these is much bigger than
>the stock TR caliper. The early hilux/4-runner ones made for solid rotors
>have differential size pistons that are almost identical in total piston
>area to a TR caliper. I am trying to find calipers with the smaller
pistons,
>that are made for vented rotors.
>The excellent article entitled "toyota brake install" by Lee Janssen does
>not deal with this issue.
>
>Terry O'Beirne
>Australia
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>
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From tr6nut at verizon.net  Wed Aug 25 16:42:45 2010
From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:42:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Toyota calipers for TR's
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I guess I'll chime in (since I did the original parts lookup for the 
article way back when).  The calipers specified below have the same size 
pistons as the non-vented calipers.  There are other calipers that were 
fitted to the 6 cylinder truck that have larger pistons.  Those are the 
ones NOT to use (unless you are changing out your MC to something else 
as well).

Hugh Barber
Stafford, VA
'73 TR6


On 8/25/2010 12:02, Tony Drews wrote:
> The article indicates that the wider calipers they specify appear to 
> be identical to the narrower calipers except for the added width.  I 
> assume that means that the piston diameters are very similar, but it 
> doesn't specifically state that.  We used the narrower calipers with a 
> TR-6 master cylinder for a while, I'm pretty sure.  They sure look 
> that way in the pictures - the lumps in the casting look identical to 
> the narrower calipers bolted to my car, one being larger in diameter 
> than the other.
>
> From the article:
>
> The Toyota calipers are 4-piston units from a 1988- April 1989 Toyota 
> 4-Runner, 4WD, 4Cyl. They look the same as the non-vented Toyota 
> calipers; they're just wider to fit the vented rotors.
>
> Calipers - Fenco C8554, C8555, Cardone 19-827, 19-826 (includes 
> fitting kit).
>
> Advance Auto parts 4/2006 price: $37.48 each w/ a $25 core (4/06)

From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 25 19:12:22 2010
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:12:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
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	<4C71E01D.9040304@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <000f01cb44bb$bd38a3d0$37a9eb70$@rr.com>

I would not be racing if not for the assistance (and parts) from Bob.

Thanks Bob.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Larry Young
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:43 PM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

And...... the Bill Ames award was passed to Bob Kramer.  Bob has helped 
countless Triumphs get on or back on to the race track.  He's one of the 
best drivers I know.  He gives away parts, is a gentleman racer, and he 
has towed to almost all of the FoT focus events.  A great guy and worthy 
recipient.
-Larry Young

n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> FoT,
>
> When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition,
> this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
>
> The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
>
> Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after
a
> great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
>
> This is what it is all about......
>
> John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at
Leguna
> Seca next June.  More details to follow.
>
> Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.
>
> We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
> beverages.
>
> Joe Alexander
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 25 19:51:02 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:51:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TOPEKA's     Father & Sons   AMENDED   TIM AND RYAN MURPHY
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this is not a tribute to my memory....see addition below.






I was lookin for Father/Son Combinations this weekend...I found a
few....several really. And a
ot of pride to go with it.
FATHERS AND SONS
TIM MURPHY                  RYAN MURPHY
JACK DREWS                       TONY DREWS
JIM GRAY                             JIM GRAY
JOE ALEXANDER                 SEAN ALEXANDER
SEAN ALEXANDER               BRENDAN ALEXANDER
GREG OSTROWSKI               JASON OSTROWSKI
BOB KRAMER                      ANDREW KRAMER
         NIKAS                         JOHN NIKAS
(Wish my son Mark and his son could have been there, too)
John Nikas has his dad's original TR4
I think Jim Gray is driving his dad's old race prepared TR4.
If we had aircraft, we would have a 'missing man' formation but the
nfluence
as still there.
Likely I am missing some folks, but these are the ones I know or could
emember.
What a legacy!
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Wed Aug 25 19:51:40 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:51:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] In Car Video - Road America
Message-ID: <9E7D853CCF864AC0A0026869A2F15E68@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Can anyone point me to some in car video from Road America, preferably in a
Spitfire, but any 4 speed would do.  I've found the great video from Tony
Drews, but all that overdrive stuff is confusing me.

Thanks in advance

Jim Norlin

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 25 07:40:29 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:40:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca...now the 60th	Anniversary
	selection of venue.
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Craig,

Sebring will need a 'champion' to pursue it.

Ideally, the sanctioning body and venue want us there.

This 60th Anniversary  and  the Kastner Cup event is way too big for me to
pursue on my own.

We need solid proposals and someone to pursue them.

(It seems logical that we combine the 60th and the Kastner Cup together, of
course, but they are separate entities)

If John Nikas had not stepped forward with Leguna Seca, I am not sure where we
would be for 2011. Only 10 MONTHS AWAY.

VSCDA'S ELVF is interested, but wants to know shortly for planning purposes.

Road America is certainly a candidate.

So is MOSPORT, ROAD ATLANTA, LIME ROCK, and the rest of North America, for
that matter.

If anyone wants to pursue ANY venue, please let me know and I will try to
help.

Joe A




Ted's got a good point

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ted Schumacher
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:28 PM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: brad.kahler at 141.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca

Joe and list. In terms of historic significance, the most logical choice
is Sebring.  It is Sebring's 60th anniversary of the 12 Hour. Triumph
had a strong presence at the track over the years. Kas was a major
player at the track with the TR effort (and with Nissan if we dare say
that word), FOT member Ed Diehl drove the race in one of the factory
TR4's, etc. Downside is the 12 Hour is a very busy week-end and
depending on support races track time is ???  But, if  you want to be
part of a truly historic event, this is worth looking at.  No where else
will you be able to show the cars in front of 100,000 + people .  Ted



n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> Excellent!
>
> Not too soon to plan.
>
> There are others that are discussing this and shared information would be
> useful.
>
> John Nikas is thinking in terms of 75 Triumphs.
>
> Joe
>
> NOTE:  Sanctioning Body and Venue now needs to be decided for 2012 for the
> 60th Anniversary. We have two invitations, and several ideas. The ideas
have
> not yet developed into proposals.
>
> This will not be a unilateral decision.....it will be based on the best
> proposal that serves the best interests
> of the FOT.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com>
> To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 8:36 am
> Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca
>
>
> I don't know if this is to early to start thinking about how some of
> s Easterners (yes I consider myself an Easterner because we live in
> he eastern time zone!) can maybe get together and rent a transporter
> o make the trip.
> I've dealt with two different transporters that I would trust with our
> ehicles.  One uses an enclosed trailer that could handle probably 6
> ehicles.  The other is a hot shot trucker with an open 40 foot
> railer that could probably haul 3 cars plus misc equipment.  Most
> eople don't like open trailers and the only reason I mention this guy
> s I consider him trust worthy and I know he watches over his loads
> herever he goes.
> Depending on circumstances we might be interested in sharing a common
> ransport with others that want to head from the easter half of the
> ountry to Laguna Seca.
> So for those of you who might want to have your car transported to CA
> nd back feel free to contact me off list.
> Brad
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Wed Aug 25 20:52:14 2010
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:52:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
Message-ID: <F1FFB6343F234D6999C1CDA002225C0C@INSPIRON>

Will anyone be posting video of Topeka  thanks    rob

From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Thu Aug 26 06:59:38 2010
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:59:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
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Pictures would be nice to.

Craig


-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka

Will anyone be posting video of Topeka  thanks    rob
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu Aug 26 08:08:16 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:08:16 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Simon Watson's Email-New FOT from the UK
Message-ID: <5680b.303f0fea.39a7cf50@cs.com>

Mark,  here is new FOT Simon Watson's email address for inclusion on the 
list.

List, if you wish to contact Simon after meeting him at TOPEKA......

sjwtrman at aol.com
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Aug 26 08:09:25 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:09:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
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I will be posting some in-car video and likely some stills. I'm just trying to
figure out which site

to post on. Youtube will accept up to 2g or 15 minutes. I'm looking around at
facebook

and photobucket. It amy take a week or so to edit and compile some photo's.

I'll post a message when I do.



Jim G.




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Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka

Will anyone be posting video of Topeka B thanks B  B rob
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From igofaster at att.net  Thu Aug 26 08:27:50 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:27:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Stainless Steel Roll Bars
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I don't think Chris is on F.O.T.   but he should be. I bought a set of Mikuni's 
from him for the GT6... Nice stuff.

I thought I would pass this along as I'm working with him on a Santa grab bag... 
If the group would like, I'll ask Chris if he wants to join the forum.

Bobby Whitehead

no financial indications for me one way or the other to pass this along...



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Subject: Stainless Steel Roll Bars

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From igofaster at att.net  Thu Aug 26 08:38:53 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:38:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
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I met Bob Kramer back in 1994-1995 when we lived in Austin and CVAR had Group 5 
which was "run what you brung" ... Bob was racing a TR3 with CVAR and I had one 
of those brand new 1994 Mustang 5.0 we ran a few times with CVAR. I was always a 
Triumph guy and even ran our street TR6 at CVAR once or twice till the 
non-prepared engine figured holding 6000 rpm was not fun anymore.
Bob has always been and continues to be one of the best guys you can have in the 
garage when we are perplexed about the ins' and outs' of amateur drivers like me 
trying to get a 40 year old car to go faster than it was built to go. As far as 
his roving parts bins, I'll bet he could pull a quarter panel out of one if you 
asked  ...   :  )
Getting back into CVAR in 1997 and racing a GT6 (I've only owned about 19) has 
been one of the most fun things I've ever done besides deep sea fishing for 
tuna.... both with my clothes on....
Countless times I've called Bob and he has always taken the time to help me with 
my quandary concerning the GT6 and Triumph speak... he's a really great guy, 
with a really great family, and his lovely wife Barbara ain't too bad on the 
eyes either !!!
Congratulations Bob Kramer, you deserve the recognition! 

Bobby Whitehead




________________________________
From: Greg & Alison Blake <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 8:12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

I would not be racing if not for the assistance (and parts) from Bob.

Thanks Bob.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Larry Young
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

And...... the Bill Ames award was passed to Bob Kramer.  Bob has helped 
countless Triumphs get on or back on to the race track.  He's one of the 
best drivers I know.  He gives away parts, is a gentleman racer, and he 
has towed to almost all of the FoT focus events.  A great guy and worthy 
recipient.
-Larry Young

n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> FoT,
>
> When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition,
> this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
>
> The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
>
> Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after
a
> great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
>
> This is what it is all about......
>
> John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at
Leguna
> Seca next June.  More details to follow.
>
> Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.
>
> We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
> beverages.
>
> Joe Alexander
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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 26 08:41:14 2010
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:41:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
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And a link to AMB lap times

Mike




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<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 7:59:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot]
video/Topeka

Pictures would be nice to.

Craig


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Of Rob
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Will anyone be posting video of Topeka  thanks    rob
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Aug 26 10:05:30 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:05:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Stainless Steel Roll Bars
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Not trying to be funny here, but SS roll bars seem like a bad idea. Plus 
I'm relatively certain that they are not allowed by some sanctioning 
bodies (SCCA comes to mind).

regards,
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From jason at multivintage.com  Thu Aug 26 11:37:06 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:37:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
Message-ID: <AANLkTimqObcUd2+hCS61QSyf-gAM0bkQgWpwbMez3uFr@mail.gmail.com>

Hello FOT.
I would like to nominate Brad Allen to our group. This Fine Triumph
Enthusiast saved me from missing the Kastner Cup. Not only did he give me a
trans to get in the race, he stayed with us and helped us for 6 hours
putting the car back together. He knows a lot about fast GT6's and would be
a great addition to FOT.
Can I please have a second!
Thanks
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27

Brad Allen's contact is bradgt6 at hotmail.com

From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Thu Aug 26 11:55:45 2010
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:55:45 +0100
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
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Loads of photo's on www.darylsphotos.com

Keith



-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Craig
Sent: 26 August 2010 14:00
To: 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka

Pictures would be nice to.

Craig


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From andre at gt6.ca  Thu Aug 26 12:10:17 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:10:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
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GT6 owner is always a must.

A.

On 26 August 2010 13:37, Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com> wrote:
> Hello FOT.
> I would like to nominate Brad Allen to our group. This Fine Triumph
> Enthusiast saved me from missing the Kastner Cup. Not only did he give me a
> trans to get in the race, he stayed with us and helped us for 6 hours
> putting the car back together. He knows a lot about fast GT6's and would be
> a great addition to FOT.
> Can I please have a second!
> Thanks
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27
>
> Brad Allen's contact is bradgt6 at hotmail.com
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Aug 26 12:18:54 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:18:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
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Message-ID: <000501cb454b$25875140$7095f3c0$@com>

I'll second that!  As we were paddocked next to you, I saw all the work you
guys did to make the race.  Brad sure seems to fit the spirit of the FOT.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:37 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er

Hello FOT.
I would like to nominate Brad Allen to our group. This Fine Triumph
Enthusiast saved me from missing the Kastner Cup. Not only did he give me a
trans to get in the race, he stayed with us and helped us for 6 hours
putting the car back together. He knows a lot about fast GT6's and would be
a great addition to FOT.
Can I please have a second!
Thanks
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27

Brad Allen's contact is bradgt6 at hotmail.com
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Thu Aug 26 12:44:51 2010
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:44:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot]  2012 Kastners Kup
References: <371F1A75-D629-4934-A3B8-1BC390418C2E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <EA4C5126-021A-4720-BB84-93D06ADB0DBA@aol.com>

>> I don't know what is prompting me to do this but.........,
>>
>> I am minutes away from NJMP here in Millville NJ.  With much and much more
help I might be willing to champion this cause.    There might be a way to
combine it with a few different races during the year.  First one that comes
to mind is a historic race in September.  There is also an airshow with car
racing.
>>
>> What the heck did I just commit myself to?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Sent from my IPhone
>>
> =

From jerrybarr at charter.net  Thu Aug 26 12:53:29 2010
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (jerrybarr at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:53:29 +0000
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
Message-ID: <902172812-1282848809-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1492482043-@bda835.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I second! We need More GT6 racers and technicians.
------Original Message------
From: Jason Ostrowski
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
Sent: Aug 26, 2010 12:37 PM

Hello FOT.
I would like to nominate Brad Allen to our group. This Fine Triumph
Enthusiast saved me from missing the Kastner Cup. Not only did he give me a
trans to get in the race, he stayed with us and helped us for 6 hours
putting the car back together. He knows a lot about fast GT6's and would be
a great addition to FOT.
Can I please have a second!
Thanks
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27

Brad Allen's contact is bradgt6 at hotmail.com
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu Aug 26 13:02:03 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:02:03 EDT
Subject: [Fot] SPONSORSHIP-NEW FOT RUSS WESTFALL-MINNEAPOLIS
Message-ID: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>

Russ Westfall came specifically to TOPEKA to see the Kastner Cup and the 
FOT.

This resulted in the purchase of a TR4 race car from Bill Swopes which he 
is going to prepare for vintage racing by next year. The transaction was 
consummated today. 

Mark Bradakis, please add  Russ Westfall  (rw at dnrsales.com) to our FOT 
list.  

FOT list, be prepared to support Russ as he is new to Triumph racing. He 
has been to a Skip Barber school at Road America with Duck Waddle as his 
instructor and runs track days with his Corvette.

A welcome to Russ is in order.

Regards,

Joe Alexander</HTML>

From mdporter at dfn.com  Thu Aug 26 13:17:49 2010
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:17:49 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Stainless Steel Roll Bars
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008261204160.3474@isis.mit.edu>
References: <44796.17099.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008261204160.3474@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <4C76BDDD.3020000@dfn.com>

  On 8/26/2010 10:05 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote:
> Not trying to be funny here, but SS roll bars seem like a bad idea. 
> Plus I'm relatively certain that they are not allowed by some 
> sanctioning bodies (SCCA comes to mind).
>


Likely true about not complying with the rules, for much the same reason 
as high-tensile steels are not recommended or sometimes not allowed.  
Most commonly available grades of stainless (with the possible exception 
of 409, which has just enough chromium to qualify as a stainless, less 
than 5%) have enough chromium to make them more brittle than malleable 
steels.    In similar thicknesses, they don't form as well, either.  
More ductile steels stretch quite a bit up to the yield point and then 
go on stretching until failure, absorbing energy as they do so (pretty 
much the same principle of energy-absorbing deformation in unit bodies 
today).


More brittle materials stretch less under load, and have a smaller range 
of deformation under load between the yield point and failure.  
Therefore, a cage made of 1020 steel bends, while a cage made with a 
high-chrome stainless or, say, 4130, will resist deformation better, but 
once loaded much past the yield point will break.  Once it breaks, it is 
no longer absorbing energy, and becomes a potential threat to safety 
(who wants a loose spear in the cockpit as the car is rolling over?).


Nothing's really gained by stainless, anyway, except for some additional 
corrosion protection.  Stiffness is determined by section modulus and 
Young's modulus.    Bars made with, say, 1020 and 304 with the exact 
same tube cross-section will be equally stiff, because the section 
modulus is identical, and the difference in Young's modulus between mild 
steel and stainless is negligible.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....

From s.janzen at comcast.net  Thu Aug 26 13:22:53 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:22:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 2012 Kastners - VIR in April?
In-Reply-To: <EA4C5126-021A-4720-BB84-93D06ADB0DBA@aol.com>
References: <371F1A75-D629-4934-A3B8-1BC390418C2E@comcast.net>
	<EA4C5126-021A-4720-BB84-93D06ADB0DBA@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AB7AEB7B-370E-4868-AD02-D32D2F89C505@comcast.net>

VDCA event.  This is earlier in the year, but it already seems to have  
a big gathering of the East Coast tribe anyway, and gets great  
reviews.  Historic track, wonderful place to paddock . . .

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Aug 26 13:37:47 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:37:47 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
References: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
Message-ID: <001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>

Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris

From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Aug 26 14:02:16 2010
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:02:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
References: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
	<001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=GSZb188M-7r_GpbZJfy4JzsXrsN_Tq4EXiGzb@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps I'm off base and/or forgetting my basic geometry, but isn't the
track supposed be measured at a point on the rim on the (horizontal)
centerline of the wheel and thus should not be effectively increased by
camber, but rather decreased as the camber pulls that point closer to the
center of the car? (unless, of course the standard is measured with positive
camber and the negative is less than absolute value of the positive
measurement...)

Of course, having rims too wide or with the wrong offset would cause it, as
would measuring at the top or bottom of the rim.


On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:37 PM, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> Question:
> I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
> measure track width at the next event.
>
> I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
> width.
>
> Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:
>
> Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
> Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"
>
> He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
> camber he gets over the max track width.
> For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
> negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.
>
> I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
> experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
> values.
>
> Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
> Or is this a common problem with that car?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Aug 26 14:05:31 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:05:31 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=GSZb188M-7r_GpbZJfy4JzsXrsN_Tq4EXiGzb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
	<001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
	<AANLkTi=GSZb188M-7r_GpbZJfy4JzsXrsN_Tq4EXiGzb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001b01cb455a$0b8eeb40$22acc1c0$@com>

The rules say to measure where the wheel stands on the pavement in the
middle of the tire.

So negative camber will be counted in.

 

Von: robert bownes [mailto:bownes at seiri.com] 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. August 2010 22:02
An: MadMarx
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

 


Perhaps I'm off base and/or forgetting my basic geometry, but isn't the
track supposed be measured at a point on the rim on the (horizontal)
centerline of the wheel and thus should not be effectively increased by
camber, but rather decreased as the camber pulls that point closer to the
center of the car? (unless, of course the standard is measured with positive
camber and the negative is less than absolute value of the positive
measurement...)

Of course, having rims too wide or with the wrong offset would cause it, as
would measuring at the top or bottom of the rim.



On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:37 PM, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Thu Aug 26 14:08:48 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:08:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
In-Reply-To: <58BB66A2B5A347DE9450C4F12618D83F@homekeith>
References: <F1FFB6343F234D6999C1CDA002225C0C@INSPIRON>
	<001701cb451e$8a953200$9fbf9600$@net>
	<58BB66A2B5A347DE9450C4F12618D83F@homekeith>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A08A7E79F4F@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Is anyone having any luck opening the 2010 photos?

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson





-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Keith Files
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:56 PM
To: 'Craig'; 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka

Loads of photo's on www.darylsphotos.com

Keith



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Craig
Sent: 26 August 2010 14:00
To: 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka

Pictures would be nice to.

Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:52 PM
To: FoT Triumph
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka

Will anyone be posting video of Topeka  thanks    rob
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Aug 26 14:10:07 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:10:07 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A80149@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
	<001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A80148@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<001701cb4559$007a1dc0$016e5940$@com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A80149@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <002001cb455a$b0ff5dd0$12fe1970$@com>

Maybe you have your race cars track width handy so I have values to compare.
Also how much negative camber you run so I might can advice him to run less
of it if he has much more negative camber.



-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. August 2010 22:02
An: MadMarx
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500

As the rear transverse leaf spring sags, the car gets lower to the ground
(including the differential mounted in the frame).  Since the rear axles are
one unit from the wheel to the differential, the lower the differential gets
to the ground the more negative camber there is at the rear wheels.  The
more negative camber there is, the wider the track will get.

This will also be effected by any change of the wheel offset or addition of
spacers to move the wheel outward from the wheel flange on the axle.  Or
longer, non-stock axles.

Up front, the lower wishbone is moved in or out by the addition or removal
of shims.  If you want negative camber, it takes addition of some shims to
get the bottom wishbone pushed outward, moving the bottom of the upright
outward to give the negative camber desired.  This would widen the front
track as well.

Does that help?

I would think some allowance for additional width over the stock track would
be necessary.

Scott



-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 2:58 PM
To: Barr, Scott
Subject: AW: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500

We measure at the bottom of the center tire.

I hope you can clear my confusion that a Spit is that wide.

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. August 2010 21:53
An: MadMarx
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500

Where is the track width measured?  At the hub?  At the bottom, top or
center of the tire?

Yes, it's very common for any swing-axle car to have a lot of negative
camber as it gets lower, unless you also move the differential up in the
frame.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 2:38 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max
track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve
negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much
offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Aug 26 14:13:22 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:13:22 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500
References: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
	<001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A80148@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<001701cb4559$007a1dc0$016e5940$@com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A80149@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> 
Message-ID: <002201cb455b$22f84eb0$68e8ec10$@com>

We have stock width + 2" as max track width.

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. August 2010 22:10
An: 'Barr, Scott'
Cc: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500

Maybe you have your race cars track width handy so I have values to compare.
Also how much negative camber you run so I might can advice him to run less
of it if he has much more negative camber.



-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. August 2010 22:02
An: MadMarx
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500

As the rear transverse leaf spring sags, the car gets lower to the ground
(including the differential mounted in the frame).  Since the rear axles are
one unit from the wheel to the differential, the lower the differential gets
to the ground the more negative camber there is at the rear wheels.  The
more negative camber there is, the wider the track will get.

This will also be effected by any change of the wheel offset or addition of
spacers to move the wheel outward from the wheel flange on the axle.  Or
longer, non-stock axles.

Up front, the lower wishbone is moved in or out by the addition or removal
of shims.  If you want negative camber, it takes addition of some shims to
get the bottom wishbone pushed outward, moving the bottom of the upright
outward to give the negative camber desired.  This would widen the front
track as well.

Does that help?

I would think some allowance for additional width over the stock track would
be necessary.

Scott



-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 2:58 PM
To: Barr, Scott
Subject: AW: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500

We measure at the bottom of the center tire.

I hope you can clear my confusion that a Spit is that wide.

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. August 2010 21:53
An: MadMarx
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500

Where is the track width measured?  At the hub?  At the bottom, top or
center of the tire?

Yes, it's very common for any swing-axle car to have a lot of negative
camber as it gets lower, unless you also move the differential up in the
frame.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 2:38 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max
track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve
negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much
offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Aug 26 14:15:13 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:15:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
Message-ID: <20100826201511.RZPS4042.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

A longer rear spring will produce a reduced negative camber at the rear.  Or
he might even consider getting rid of the rocker box and revert to an early
spring.  This will reduce the body roll and likely will require tweaking the
entire suspension in order to balance the car and achieve the handling he
desires.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:38 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Aug 26 14:19:40 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:19:40 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <20100826201511.RZPS4042.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
References: <001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
	<20100826201511.RZPS4042.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
Message-ID: <002401cb455c$04790960$0d6b1c20$@com>

Okay, that would be a major work but what can I advice him to get done in
two weeks from now?
I would need reference measurements to get a feel how other Spitis track
width come out.
We allow to be 2" more than stock and that is okay for all cars - I thought.
Now why does the Spiti has a problem? That I would like to find out but I
have to get more knowledge about the suspension and how your guys cars track
width come out.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. August 2010 22:15
An: 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

A longer rear spring will produce a reduced negative camber at the rear.  Or
he might even consider getting rid of the rocker box and revert to an early
spring.  This will reduce the body roll and likely will require tweaking the
entire suspension in order to balance the car and achieve the handling he
desires.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:38 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris
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From claus at triumphracing.net  Thu Aug 26 14:38:27 2010
From: claus at triumphracing.net (claus at triumphracing.net)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:38:27 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
References: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
	<001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
Message-ID: <99a4727369561ee0ac70ea5934ab6ad0.squirrel@webmail01.one.com>

I was under the impression that the track was always measured with a
neutral camber, but I've just checked the FIA appendix K and couldn't find
that mentioned, so maybe I dreamt it up. Would have solved your racer's
problem, though.

Regards,
Claus



Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Aug 26 14:40:14 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:40:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <002401cb455c$04790960$0d6b1c20$@com>
Message-ID: <20100826204012.SFUK23088.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

According to the Haynes manual, the track of a Spitfire 1500 is:

Front: 49" (121.9 cm)
Rear: 50" (127 cm)

Therefore, the rules specification would indicate that there is ample room
to increase the track beyond stock.  So I can't see how it would be
difficult to comply.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----


Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris

From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Thu Aug 26 14:55:45 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:55:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A08A7E79F4F@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <159115.67041.qm@smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

They are really slow to open. If you move your cursor over them and check
the small circle that appears, then double click the picture again, a larger
picture with the word PROOF appears over it. It appears that this is the way
to purchase them.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Kramer, Robert
Sent: August 26, 2010 4:09 PM
To: 'FoT Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka

Is anyone having any luck opening the 2010 photos?

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson





-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf
Of Keith Files
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:56 PM
To: 'Craig'; 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka

Loads of photo's on www.darylsphotos.com

Keith



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Craig
Sent: 26 August 2010 14:00
To: 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka

Pictures would be nice to.

Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:52 PM
To: FoT Triumph
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka

Will anyone be posting video of Topeka  thanks    rob
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From kaskas at cox.net  Thu Aug 26 15:18:40 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:18:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Topeka races
Message-ID: <20100826171840.XAZJZ.613277.imail@fed1rmwml39>

The folks at Topeka were really exceptional in their hospitality and willingness to have it just as "right" as we'd like to have it. Thanks to them, and all the TR people, it was a good and Triumphant time.

No one has ever asked me about the judging of the winner of the Kastner Cup[.  I am kind of surprised, but thats just fine with me. I managed to watch ever session from Thursday through the race on Sunday, see every car, and took splits and laps times on most of the cars. I saw the race from a very good vantage point that was about 25 seconds long, and watched every lap and saw every car. I saw poor moves and good moves and fast guys and people not having a great time, spin outs, off course excursions, close encounters and terrific driving. That were SEVERAL standout performances. It was difficult to finally see that only one could be the winner of this award, I even considered announcing a list of the people whom I thought 'were in it".  But, common  and good sense told me that was foolish, so I made a judgment of performance, off track personality and thus the winner was settled. Thanks to all who participated and it appeared that all of us had a great time. Lets to it again.
--
Never be beaten by equipment

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Aug 26 15:18:31 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:18:31 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <99a4727369561ee0ac70ea5934ab6ad0.squirrel@webmail01.one.com>
References: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
	<001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
	<99a4727369561ee0ac70ea5934ab6ad0.squirrel@webmail01.one.com>
Message-ID: <003701cb4564$3f4d5570$bde80050$@com>

I looked at the FIA rules and they say in the middle of the contact patch of
the tire.


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von claus at triumphracing.net
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. August 2010 22:38
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

I was under the impression that the track was always measured with a
neutral camber, but I've just checked the FIA appendix K and couldn't find
that mentioned, so maybe I dreamt it up. Would have solved your racer's
problem, though.

Regards,
Claus



Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Aug 26 15:26:29 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:26:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <99a4727369561ee0ac70ea5934ab6ad0.squirrel@webmail01.one.com>
Message-ID: <20100826212639.UNYZ3042.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

I don't think there is any such thing as a "Neutral Camber" 1500 because of
the longer axles they came with.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of claus at triumphracing.net
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:38 PM
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

I was under the impression that the track was always measured with a
neutral camber, but I've just checked the FIA appendix K and couldn't find
that mentioned, so maybe I dreamt it up. Would have solved your racer's
problem, though.

Regards,
Claus



Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Aug 26 15:56:40 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:56:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
References: <159115.67041.qm@smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F849A59271C14408AA6D2C83A3029F9D@latitudefb1e41>

I'm at home now and they open fine on my home computer. Our security 
software at work didn't like them.

Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
excellence.
Vince Lombardi
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "macdonaldp" <macdonaldp at rogers.com>
To: "'Kramer, Robert'" <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>; "'FoT Triumph'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka


> They are really slow to open. If you move your cursor over them and check
> the small circle that appears, then double click the picture again, a 
> larger
> picture with the word PROOF appears over it. It appears that this is the 
> way
> to purchase them.
>
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Kramer, Robert
> Sent: August 26, 2010 4:09 PM
> To: 'FoT Triumph'
> Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka
>
> Is anyone having any luck opening the 2010 photos?
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sales Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35
> Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-272-4141 Office
> 512-657-8526 Cell
> Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
> keys to your success.
> ~Mac Anderson
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf
> Of Keith Files
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:56 PM
> To: 'Craig'; 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
> Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka
>
> Loads of photo's on www.darylsphotos.com
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Craig
> Sent: 26 August 2010 14:00
> To: 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
> Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka
>
> Pictures would be nice to.
>
> Craig
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Rob
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:52 PM
> To: FoT Triumph
> Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
>
> Will anyone be posting video of Topeka  thanks    rob
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Thu Aug 26 16:02:51 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:02:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
In-Reply-To: <F1FFB6343F234D6999C1CDA002225C0C@INSPIRON><001701cb451e$8a953200$9fbf9600$@net>
	<58BB66A2B5A347DE9450C4F12618D83F@homekeith>
References: <F1FFB6343F234D6999C1CDA002225C0C@INSPIRON><001701cb451e$8a953200$9fbf9600$@net>
	<58BB66A2B5A347DE9450C4F12618D83F@homekeith>
Message-ID: <BAY157-ds413867BF26681BA16F80EC3850@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the link Keith.

I hope the trip home was uneventful.


Terry Stetler.

From mdporter at dfn.com  Thu Aug 26 16:10:35 2010
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:10:35 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <20100826204012.SFUK23088.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
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  On 8/26/2010 2:40 PM, Joe Curry wrote:
> According to the Haynes manual, the track of a Spitfire 1500 is:
>
> Front: 49" (121.9 cm)
> Rear: 50" (127 cm)
>

Hmm, the rear track inches to centimeters conversion is correct, but, 
the front is not.  121.9 cm is 47.99", which would be rounded to 48".


Depends on which measurement comes from the factory, I suppose, and 
where the track is supposed to be measured.  I always thought that the 
track was supposed to be measured through the center of the wheel, in 
order to minimize the distortions in the measurement occurring due to 
camber, and because camber is variable across the range of motion.  For 
the Spit, even if the outside front track allowable by the rules was 51 
inches and change, modest camber changes would take up a lot of that 
three-inch difference, since the stock Spit has maybe 1-1/2 deg. 
positive camber to begin with, presuming that track is measured at the 
bottom of the wheel.


In this case, at any rate, I'd trust the factory figures, rather than 
those in Haynes, if some baseline is necessary.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....

From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Aug 26 16:23:59 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:23:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <4C76E65B.3020207@dfn.com>
Message-ID: <20100826222358.VDDN23088.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

Oops, that should have read 49" (124.5).  I copied the rear track in cm from
the Mk1-MkIV models.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Porter [mailto:mdporter at dfn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 3:11 PM
To: Joe Curry
Cc: 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

  On 8/26/2010 2:40 PM, Joe Curry wrote:
> According to the Haynes manual, the track of a Spitfire 1500 is:
>
> Front: 49" (121.9 cm)
> Rear: 50" (127 cm)
>

Hmm, the rear track inches to centimeters conversion is correct, but, 
the front is not.  121.9 cm is 47.99", which would be rounded to 48".


Depends on which measurement comes from the factory, I suppose, and 
where the track is supposed to be measured.  I always thought that the 
track was supposed to be measured through the center of the wheel, in 
order to minimize the distortions in the measurement occurring due to 
camber, and because camber is variable across the range of motion.  For 
the Spit, even if the outside front track allowable by the rules was 51 
inches and change, modest camber changes would take up a lot of that 
three-inch difference, since the stock Spit has maybe 1-1/2 deg. 
positive camber to begin with, presuming that track is measured at the 
bottom of the wheel.


In this case, at any rate, I'd trust the factory figures, rather than 
those in Haynes, if some baseline is necessary.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking
distance....

From cartravel at pobox.com  Thu Aug 26 18:10:52 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:10:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <AC95D585B8BD49BB9C16B6846E5CF7D8@latitudefb1e41>
References: <AC95D585B8BD49BB9C16B6846E5CF7D8@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <4C77028C.5060606@pobox.com>

Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or 
elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
Larry

From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Aug 26 19:03:50 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:03:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
In-Reply-To: <1654006730.315837.1282831765084.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:
> I will be posting some in-car video and likely some stills. I'm just trying to
> figure out which site
>
> to post on.
>    

During the nearly 5 years I was without a real job I should have
spent more time on Team.Net stuff.  The pages at

http://www.team.net/the-local

showed a lot of promise for this sort of thing.  In truth I need to
do some major reworking of ALL the Team.Net web pages.

RealSoonNow.

mjb.

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Aug 26 19:09:55 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:09:55 -0600
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <4C77028C.5060606@pobox.com>
References: <AC95D585B8BD49BB9C16B6846E5CF7D8@latitudefb1e41>
	<4C77028C.5060606@pobox.com>
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That would be great

Jim g

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 26, 2010, at 6:10 PM, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:

> Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
> elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the  
> results.
> Larry
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Aug 26 23:34:14 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:34:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
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References: <AC95D585B8BD49BB9C16B6846E5CF7D8@latitudefb1e41>
	<4C77028C.5060606@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <20100827053333.1A24F187663@autox.team.net>

I didn't see them make it to mylaps.com even thought it has their URL 
at the bottom of each of the timing sheets.  I scanned them in 
reverse chronological order to a PDF file and posted them here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/HPT_Vintage_Results0001.pdf

- Tony Drews

At 07:10 PM 8/26/2010, Larry Young wrote:
>Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
>elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
>Larry

From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Aug 27 00:10:51 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:10:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <20100827053333.1A24F187663@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20100827061101.HGJH29852.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>

Was Joe Hovey the only one who brought a Spitfire?  That is the only one
listed in your link.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:34 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

I didn't see them make it to mylaps.com even thought it has their URL 
at the bottom of each of the timing sheets.  I scanned them in 
reverse chronological order to a PDF file and posted them here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/HPT_Vintage_Results0001.pdf

- Tony Drews

At 07:10 PM 8/26/2010, Larry Young wrote:
>Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
>elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
>Larry
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Aug 27 01:01:46 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:01:46 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
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	<20100827070026.JASQ3042.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
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What kind of wheel offset do you run?
And what track width would that give?

Cheers
Chris

From REK46 at aol.com  Fri Aug 27 03:43:05 2010
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 05:43:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
Message-ID: <3b58.1ff22855.39a8e2a9@aol.com>

FYI...the current SCCA rules for max track are: 1500= 53.6" frt and 54.6"  
rear..........1300= 53.6" frt and 52.6" rear,  measured between the center  
of the rims of two wheels at one end of the car,with any angular adjustments 
at  normal settings and steered wheels in the straight ahead 
position...Quote from  2010 GCR and PCS.
 
 
In a message dated 8/26/2010 6:38:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mdporter at dfn.com writes:

On 8/26/2010 2:40 PM, Joe Curry wrote:
> According to the Haynes manual,  the track of a Spitfire 1500 is:
>
> Front: 49" (121.9 cm)
>  Rear: 50" (127 cm)
>

Hmm, the rear track inches to centimeters  conversion is correct, but, 
the front is not.  121.9 cm is 47.99",  which would be rounded to 48".


Depends on which measurement comes  from the factory, I suppose, and 
where the track is supposed to be  measured.  I always thought that the 
track was supposed to be  measured through the center of the wheel, in 
order to minimize the  distortions in the measurement occurring due to 
camber, and because camber  is variable across the range of motion.  For 
the Spit, even if the  outside front track allowable by the rules was 51 
inches and change,  modest camber changes would take up a lot of that 
three-inch difference,  since the stock Spit has maybe 1-1/2 deg. 
positive camber to begin with,  presuming that track is measured at the 
bottom of the wheel.


In  this case, at any rate, I'd trust the factory figures, rather than 
those  in Haynes, if some baseline is necessary.


Cheers.

--  


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive  you crazy when you know it's within walking  
distance....
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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Fri Aug 27 07:08:49 2010
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:08:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
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	<001701cb451e$8a953200$9fbf9600$@net>
	<58BB66A2B5A347DE9450C4F12618D83F@homekeith>
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Thanks Keith

Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Files [mailto:keithfiles at btinternet.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:56 PM
To: 'Craig'; 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
Subject: RE: [Fot] video/Topeka

Loads of photo's on www.darylsphotos.com

Keith



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Craig
Sent: 26 August 2010 14:00
To: 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka

Pictures would be nice to.

Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:52 PM
To: FoT Triumph
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka

Will anyone be posting video of Topeka  thanks    rob
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Aug 27 09:06:00 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:06:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
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The "smaller" TR's were in group 2 and I don't have their timesheets.

Tony Drews

Quoting Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>:

> Was Joe Hovey the only one who brought a Spitfire?  That is the only one
> listed in your link.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Tony Drews
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:34 PM
> To: Larry Young
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
>
> I didn't see them make it to mylaps.com even thought it has their URL
> at the bottom of each of the timing sheets.  I scanned them in
> reverse chronological order to a PDF file and posted them here:
> http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/HPT_Vintage_Results0001.pdf
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 07:10 PM 8/26/2010, Larry Young wrote:
>> Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
>> elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
>> Larry

From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Fri Aug 27 09:29:59 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:29:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <20100827100600.snc4osmv4484sokc@www.tonydrews.com>
References: <20100827061101.HGJH29852.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
	<20100827100600.snc4osmv4484sokc@www.tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A08A7E7A708@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Joe was the only Spitfire that was registered. Rocky Entriken displayed his.
There was only one TR3 as well, Jeff Snook's. It was a TR4 Fest.

Bob Kramer
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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of tony at tonydrews.com
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:06 AM
To: Joe Curry
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

The "smaller" TR's were in group 2 and I don't have their timesheets.

Tony Drews

Quoting Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>:

> Was Joe Hovey the only one who brought a Spitfire?  That is the only one
> listed in your link.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Tony Drews
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:34 PM
> To: Larry Young
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
>
> I didn't see them make it to mylaps.com even thought it has their URL
> at the bottom of each of the timing sheets.  I scanned them in
> reverse chronological order to a PDF file and posted them here:
> http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/HPT_Vintage_Results0001.pdf
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 07:10 PM 8/26/2010, Larry Young wrote:
>> Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
>> elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
>> Larry
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From riverside at southslope.net  Fri Aug 27 11:14:38 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:14:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heartland pics
Message-ID: <002701cb460b$5510a590$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Wow!  What a great album and so many great looking TR's

I should have not been surprised to see one of  the few race cars
i have driven in the last decade or so.   The #34 Studebaker Indy
car.  Was Augie Grassis driving?   He has done a great job with
that old beast.   Ron and I drove it at the Milwaukee Mile , me in
two diferent events.  Great grunt and skinny tire cornering but what
a hoot.   The guys who put a whole day into racing those things were
the real deal.

art de armond

From kaskas at cox.net  Fri Aug 27 11:56:35 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:56:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
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Message-ID: <20100827135635.PPQ6J.617956.imail@fed1rmwml4101>

Joe was the only Spitfire that ran the race.  he drove it very well and gave a hard time to several of the TR-4 cars.
---- Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote: 

=============
Was Joe Hovey the only one who brought a Spitfire?  That is the only one
listed in your link.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:34 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

I didn't see them make it to mylaps.com even thought it has their URL 
at the bottom of each of the timing sheets.  I scanned them in 
reverse chronological order to a PDF file and posted them here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/HPT_Vintage_Results0001.pdf

- Tony Drews

At 07:10 PM 8/26/2010, Larry Young wrote:
>Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
>elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
>Larry
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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Aug 27 12:19:41 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 11:19:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <20100827135635.PPQ6J.617956.imail@fed1rmwml4101>
Message-ID: <20100827181936.WAZS23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>

I am wondering if his engine is the one I sold him a few years ago.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:57 AM
To: 'Tony Drews'; Joe Curry; 'Larry Young'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

Joe was the only Spitfire that ran the race.  he drove it very well and gave
a hard time to several of the TR-4 cars.
---- Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote: 

=============
Was Joe Hovey the only one who brought a Spitfire?  That is the only one
listed in your link.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:34 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

I didn't see them make it to mylaps.com even thought it has their URL 
at the bottom of each of the timing sheets.  I scanned them in 
reverse chronological order to a PDF file and posted them here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/HPT_Vintage_Results0001.pdf

- Tony Drews

At 07:10 PM 8/26/2010, Larry Young wrote:
>Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
>elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
>Larry
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Aug 27 12:43:53 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:43:53 +0200
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
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	<20100827181936.WAZS23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
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How does it come that a MAG is 5 seconds faster than the fastest TR4?


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Joe Curry
Gesendet: Freitag, 27. August 2010 20:20
An: 'Kas Kastner'; 'Tony Drews'; 'Larry Young'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

I am wondering if his engine is the one I sold him a few years ago.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:57 AM
To: 'Tony Drews'; Joe Curry; 'Larry Young'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

Joe was the only Spitfire that ran the race.  he drove it very well and gave
a hard time to several of the TR-4 cars.
---- Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:

=============
Was Joe Hovey the only one who brought a Spitfire?  That is the only one
listed in your link.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:34 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

I didn't see them make it to mylaps.com even thought it has their URL
at the bottom of each of the timing sheets.  I scanned them in
reverse chronological order to a PDF file and posted them here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/HPT_Vintage_Results0001.pdf

- Tony Drews

At 07:10 PM 8/26/2010, Larry Young wrote:
>Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
>elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
>Larry
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From ikorey at comcast.net  Fri Aug 27 13:03:35 2010
From: ikorey at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:03:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <001101cb4617$ceaedeb0$6c0c9c10$@com>
References: <20100827135635.PPQ6J.617956.imail@fed1rmwml4101>
	<20100827181936.WAZS23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
	<001101cb4617$ceaedeb0$6c0c9c10$@com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin5qoz4Pbozjd8or7rONOX4by_zuK1v9tpZOMXY@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:43 PM, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> How does it come that a MAG is 5 seconds faster than the fastest TR4?
>

The driver of that MGA is a 6 time National Champion, and the car is likely
closer mechanically to a current SCCA club racer than a vintage spec car. It
IS immaculate, superbly prepared and driven.

Irv

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Aug 27 13:04:56 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:04:56 +0200
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin5qoz4Pbozjd8or7rONOX4by_zuK1v9tpZOMXY@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100827135635.PPQ6J.617956.imail@fed1rmwml4101>
	<20100827181936.WAZS23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
	<001101cb4617$ceaedeb0$6c0c9c10$@com>
	<AANLkTin5qoz4Pbozjd8or7rONOX4by_zuK1v9tpZOMXY@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001501cb461a$bdea1600$39be4200$@com>

Okay, that is understandable.

 

Von: emanteno at gmail.com [mailto:emanteno at gmail.com] Im Auftrag von Irv Korey
Gesendet: Freitag, 27. August 2010 21:04
An: MadMarx
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

 

 

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:43 PM, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

How does it come that a MAG is 5 seconds faster than the fastest TR4?


The driver of that MGA is a 6 time National Champion, and the car is likely
closer mechanically to a current SCCA club racer than a vintage spec car. It
IS immaculate, superbly prepared and driven.

Irv

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Aug 27 13:25:27 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:25:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin5qoz4Pbozjd8or7rONOX4by_zuK1v9tpZOMXY@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100827135635.PPQ6J.617956.imail@fed1rmwml4101>
	<20100827181936.WAZS23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
	<001101cb4617$ceaedeb0$6c0c9c10$@com>
	<AANLkTin5qoz4Pbozjd8or7rONOX4by_zuK1v9tpZOMXY@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008271516580.7083@isis.mit.edu>

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Irv Korey wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:43 PM, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> How does it come that a MGA is 5 seconds faster than the fastest TR4?
>>
>
> The driver of that MGA is a 6 time National Champion, and the car is likely
> closer mechanically to a current SCCA club racer than a vintage spec car. It
> IS immaculate, superbly prepared and driven.

Ah -- Kent Prather. He's also a really nice guy and more than mildly 
interested in things Triumph. He was at the 2004 VTR National with a Chevy 
V8 powered Stag... I have a picture of him chatting with Bob Tullius.

But I digress.

As usual.

> Irv

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From emanteno at comcast.net  Fri Aug 27 13:36:34 2010
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:36:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008271516580.7083@isis.mit.edu>
References: <20100827135635.PPQ6J.617956.imail@fed1rmwml4101>
	<20100827181936.WAZS23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
	<001101cb4617$ceaedeb0$6c0c9c10$@com>
	<AANLkTin5qoz4Pbozjd8or7rONOX4by_zuK1v9tpZOMXY@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008271516580.7083@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=HDZ8HpA1054PwRXcZrQttCeX6zN=J-iRO9QR_@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Robert M. Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu> wrote:

Ah -- Kent Prather. He's also a really nice guy and more than mildly
> interested in things Triumph. He was at the 2004 VTR National with a Chevy
> V8 powered Stag... I have a picture of him chatting with Bob Tullius.
>
> But I digress.
>
> As usual.
>

Not really, as Kent's Stag was the pace car for the Kastner Cup race, as
well as several others. Plus, he brought it to the 2005 VTR Convention as
well.

Irv

From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Aug 27 13:41:17 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:41:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008271516580.7083@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <20100827194127.ZFVP4042.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

Ah, my competition in the Modified class (autocross).  As I recall, he had
some problems during the event (cooling system if I am not mistaken).

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Robert M. Lang
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 12:25 PM
To: Irv Korey
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Irv Korey wrote:

Ah -- Kent Prather. He's also a really nice guy and more than mildly 
interested in things Triumph. He was at the 2004 VTR National with a Chevy 
V8 powered Stag... I have a picture of him chatting with Bob Tullius.

But I digress.

As usual.

> Irv

From cartravel at pobox.com  Fri Aug 27 15:13:50 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:13:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008271516580.7083@isis.mit.edu>
References: <20100827135635.PPQ6J.617956.imail@fed1rmwml4101>
	<20100827181936.WAZS23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
	<001101cb4617$ceaedeb0$6c0c9c10$@com>
	<AANLkTin5qoz4Pbozjd8or7rONOX4by_zuK1v9tpZOMXY@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008271516580.7083@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <4C782A8E.7040407@pobox.com>

I would say only mildly interested.  A few years back, I was looking for 
someone to help me dyno tune a new TR3 engine.  I thought I might learn 
from the experts.  Since they are only a 4 hour drive from Tulsa, I gave 
them a call.  They didn't want to touch it.  Maybe they have more MG 
work than they can handle.
Larry

Robert M. Lang wrote:
>
> Ah -- Kent Prather. He's also a really nice guy and more than mildly 
> interested in things

From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Fri Aug 27 17:27:10 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:27:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SPONSORSHIP-NEW FOT RUSS WESTFALL-MINNEAPOLIS
References: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
Message-ID: <001601cb463f$5fe2e3a0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Welcome Russ!
  Isn't Duck quite a guy? He was at the Gingerman Spring Brake a few years
ago when I attended. Knows of what he speaks.
  Welcome to the club; they're a great bunch.
  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: <N197TR4 at cs.com>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Cc: <rw at dnrsales.com>
  Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 3:02 PM
  Subject: [Fot] SPONSORSHIP-NEW FOT RUSS WESTFALL-MINNEAPOLIS


  > Russ Westfall came specifically to TOPEKA to see the Kastner Cup and the
  > FOT.
  >
  > This resulted in the purchase of a TR4 race car from Bill Swopes which
he
  > is going to prepare for vintage racing by next year. The transaction was
  > consummated today.
  >
  > Mark Bradakis, please add  Russ Westfall  (rw at dnrsales.com) to our FOT
  > list.
  >
  > FOT list, be prepared to support Russ as he is new to Triumph racing. He
  > has been to a Skip Barber school at Road America with Duck Waddle as his
  > instructor and runs track days with his Corvette.
  >
  > A welcome to Russ is in order.
  >
  > Regards,
  >
  > Joe Alexander</HTML>
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Fri Aug 27 18:24:47 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:24:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
References: <AANLkTimqObcUd2+hCS61QSyf-gAM0bkQgWpwbMez3uFr@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=_y1aQ2sSwp4dBZU4evOfDSw3-2YPcQzUZ-Vqm@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002301cb4647$6c3b7790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Hey Andre, are you coming to Watkins Glen in a couple weeks for the
Vintage GP? Be good to see you there.
  How about any of the rest of FOT?
  Where did the summer go?
  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
  To: "Jason Ostrowski" <jason at multivintage.com>
  Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 2:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er


  > GT6 owner is always a must.
  >
  > A.
  >
  > On 26 August 2010 13:37, Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com> wrote:
  > > Hello FOT.
  > > I would like to nominate Brad Allen to our group. This Fine Triumph
  > > Enthusiast saved me from missing the Kastner Cup. Not only did he give
me a
  > > trans to get in the race, he stayed with us and helped us for 6 hours
  > > putting the car back together. He knows a lot about fast GT6's and
would be
  > > a great addition to FOT.
  > > Can I please have a second!
  > > Thanks
  > > Jason Ostrowski
  > > Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27
  > >
  > > Brad Allen's contact is bradgt6 at hotmail.com
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  > --
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Fri Aug 27 19:12:58 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:12:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need a brake pedal switch
Message-ID: <16D0F1D8D83244D789CEC2E7263BDA85@rocky>

I'm looking for an old/new brake pedal taillight switch. The thing that mounts
up near the base of the brake pedal.The one in my race car, '64 Spitfire,
finally gave out after 45 years of use.

Got a replacement from Vicky Brit. Three of them, in fact, because I managed
to break two of them putting the damn thing in. The replacement is a cheap
plastic thingy that's not too robust. The old one is a stout metal item -- no
surprise it lasted 45 years even coming from Lord Lucas (it apparently finally
found the "flicker" setting").

The same switch is apparently on all Spits and GT6s as well as TR 4-6-7-8.
What I'm hoping is someone has the old metal unit on their parts shelf, never
or seldom used. I just don't trust this plastic piece. At $4.95 it's
overpriced.

--Rocky Entriken

From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Aug 27 19:23:23 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:23:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Need a brake pedal switch
References: <16D0F1D8D83244D789CEC2E7263BDA85@rocky>
Message-ID: <86F3D760052A4983932C0B7D64AC0146@Bud>

Hey Rocky... Try taking the old one to NAPA, etc....and seeing if they can 
match up the old one to a new one by length and diameter...as long as it's 
12volt and close to the proper size, it will work..
Racer Bud
Spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: ".Triumph List" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 6:12 PM
Subject: [Fot] Need a brake pedal switch


> I'm looking for an old/new brake pedal taillight switch. The thing that 
> mounts
> up near the base of the brake pedal.The one in my race car, '64 Spitfire,
> finally gave out after 45 years of use.
>
> Got a replacement from Vicky Brit. Three of them, in fact, because I 
> managed
> to break two of them putting the damn thing in. The replacement is a cheap
> plastic thingy that's not too robust. The old one is a stout metal item --  
> no
> surprise it lasted 45 years even coming from Lord Lucas (it apparently 
> finally
> found the "flicker" setting").
>
> The same switch is apparently on all Spits and GT6s as well as TR 4-6-7-8.
> What I'm hoping is someone has the old metal unit on their parts shelf, 
> never
> or seldom used. I just don't trust this plastic piece. At $4.95 it's
> overpriced.
>
> --Rocky Entriken
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Fri Aug 27 19:25:12 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:25:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Need a brake pedal switch
In-Reply-To: <16D0F1D8D83244D789CEC2E7263BDA85@rocky>
References: <16D0F1D8D83244D789CEC2E7263BDA85@rocky>
Message-ID: <BAY157-ds19B4646B6D13A6F7D76B17C3870@phx.gbl>

I believe there is a Ford switch from a Falcon that works,  that's what I used
in my TR-3 street car when I converted it from that leaky, unreliable
hydraulic switch.

Check NAPA or whatever you have in your area.

Terry Stetler

From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Fri Aug 27 20:31:43 2010
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:31:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <20100827181936.WAZS23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
Message-ID: <201204.4171.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Joe: No, it is a fresh engine we put together a couple of weeks ago. The head
is worked, cast pistons on Pauter rods, and an 1147cc crank with a
Spedi-Sleeve over the scroll. Everything else is as we have been running it.
-Ed-

--- On Fri, 8/27/10, Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:


From: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
To: "'Kas Kastner'" <kaskas at cox.net>, "'Tony Drews'" <tony at tonydrews.com>,
"'Larry Young'" <cartravel at pobox.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 1:19 PM


I am wondering if his engine is the one I sold him a few years ago.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:57 AM
To: 'Tony Drews'; Joe Curry; 'Larry Young'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

Joe was the only Spitfire that ran the race.  he drove it very well and gave
a hard time to several of the TR-4 cars.
---- Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:

=============
Was Joe Hovey the only one who brought a Spitfire?  That is the only one
listed in your link.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:34 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

I didn't see them make it to mylaps.com even thought it has their URL
at the bottom of each of the timing sheets.  I scanned them in
reverse chronological order to a PDF file and posted them here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/HPT_Vintage_Results0001.pdf

- Tony Drews

At 07:10 PM 8/26/2010, Larry Young wrote:
>Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
>elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
>Larry
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Fri Aug 27 21:32:50 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:32:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Craigslist Find-- Spit Racer
Message-ID: <502500.10510.qm@smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

http://rockford.craigslist.org/cto/1892281214.html

From emanteno at comcast.net  Fri Aug 27 21:48:54 2010
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 22:48:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need a brake pedal switch
In-Reply-To: <16D0F1D8D83244D789CEC2E7263BDA85@rocky>
References: <16D0F1D8D83244D789CEC2E7263BDA85@rocky>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimEb0B5CDZ9FWa5XLMg5A=dcYBR8XU19BuUpfaH@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com> wrote:

>
> The same switch is apparently on all Spits and GT6s as well as TR 4-6-7-8.
> What I'm hoping is someone has the old metal unit on their parts shelf,
> never
> or seldom used. I just don't trust this plastic piece. At $4.95 it's
> overpriced.
>


Go to your local NAPA, and ask for an Echlin SL310 brake light switch. It's
for a Honda but it is a perfect, high quality replacement for the POS
that is being supplied by the Big 3. I have one in my TR6, and there's one
in my former TR4 vintage racer (TR6 pedal assembly).

Irv Korey

From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Sat Aug 28 02:58:22 2010
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 18:58:22 +1000
Subject: [Fot] steering rack query
Message-ID: <AANLkTiktqguMrQdaiakYdUBGdcOqgyC2RPorkjFJVRB4@mail.gmail.com>

if anyone has a TR4,5 or 6 steering rack sitting on the shelf, can you
please measure the total length. either end of thread to end or thread (on
rack end) or centre to centre of tie rod ends
thanks. terry O'beirne, Australia

From gp89 at charter.net  Sat Aug 28 05:12:22 2010
From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 4:12:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Craigslist Find-- Spit Racer
In-Reply-To: <502500.10510.qm@smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100828071222.XSKLX.10500949.root@mp19>

The car belongs to an old friend of mine. Long time Midwestern Council member Glade Snodgrass. Very nicely engineered car. If I were to put money on it I would put I would put it on Glade to win.
Jeff Senty 
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Sat Aug 28 07:30:12 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 09:30:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Craigslist Find-- Spit Racer
In-Reply-To: <20100828071222.XSKLX.10500949.root@mp19>
References: <20100828071222.XSKLX.10500949.root@mp19>
Message-ID: <8F550FDB-0DDB-4609-8133-4DEE99038071@comcast.net>

What a deal. Someone should snap this up.


On Aug 28, 2010, at 7:12 AM, Jeff Senty wrote:

The car belongs to an old friend of mine. Long time Midwestern Council  
member Glade Snodgrass. Very nicely engineered car. If I were to put  
money on it I would put I would put it on Glade to win.
Jeff Senty
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Sat Aug 28 07:45:22 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 09:45:22 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Craigslist Find-- Spit Racer
Message-ID: <46574.12ea8483.39aa6cf2@aol.com>

In a message dated 08/28/2010 6:15:58 AM Central Daylight Time, 
gp89 at charter.net writes:


> The car belongs to an old friend of mine. Long time Midwestern Council 
> member Glade Snodgrass. Very nicely engineered car. If I were to put money on 
> it I would put I would put it on Glade to win.
> 

I sure can attest to that.  Glade Snodgrass goes FAST.

Bill Dentinger

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Sat Aug 28 10:27:13 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 12:27:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] steering rack query
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiktqguMrQdaiakYdUBGdcOqgyC2RPorkjFJVRB4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTiktqguMrQdaiakYdUBGdcOqgyC2RPorkjFJVRB4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008281225060.10588@isis.mit.edu>

On Sat, 28 Aug 2010, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:

> if anyone has a TR4,5 or 6 steering rack sitting on the shelf, can you
> please measure the total length. either end of thread to end or thread (on
> rack end) or centre to centre of tie rod ends
> thanks. terry O'beirne, Australia

TR6 rack. From a ''75 or '76 LHD model.

1 meter end to end including the inner tie rods and not including the 
outer tie rod. So we're talking threaded end to threaded end.. 39.5 
inches. Plus or minus 1/4"

regards,
rml
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Aug 28 10:54:47 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 10:54:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Craigslist Find-- Spit Racer
In-Reply-To: <8F550FDB-0DDB-4609-8133-4DEE99038071@comcast.net>
References: <20100828071222.XSKLX.10500949.root@mp19>
	<8F550FDB-0DDB-4609-8133-4DEE99038071@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4C793F57.3070106@bradakis.com>

Scott Janzen wrote:
> What a deal. Someone should snap this up.
>
>    
Well, I will eventually be getting a check from the insurance
company in an amount sufficient to cover the purchase of this
car.  But then there wouldn't be enough left to cover my
funeral expenses, as I am sure my wife would find out
about it sooner or later.

mjb.

From cofrog at q.com  Sat Aug 28 11:44:38 2010
From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 17:44:38 +0000
Subject: [Fot] IRS Stuff
Message-ID: <SNT140-w204243CD78A0B26D7D0BA4D4870@phx.gbl>

I upgraded the TR4A race car suspension.  Thus I have a set of Richard Good's
springs and two Spax adjustable rear shocks that fit the tube shock conversion
that I need to get rid of.  These are for an IRS car.

Dan Forgey

From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Aug 28 11:57:52 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 12:57:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park vs New Speedsters
Message-ID: <20100828175706.34CA9187647@autox.team.net>

I think I now know why my car had so much oversteer during the all 
Triumph race:

http://picasaweb.google.com/tony.drews.88/2010_0828HPTvsSpeedster#

Those tires were brand new going into Topeka.  Normally a set of 
Speedsters lasts 4 or 5 races...  Tim Murphy was telling me that the 
track has a reputation for being hard on tires...  I guess he was right!

- Tony Drews

From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sat Aug 28 14:15:10 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 14:15:10 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Shirts shipped
Message-ID: <D18D9076-2986-4084-80EA-849F08383CBE@earthlink.net>

Most of the shirts went out yesterday and the last few today. Via USPS.
Enjoy!

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM

From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Sat Aug 28 14:37:47 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 13:37:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Photographs
Message-ID: <AANLkTimeNw4PVfd4Mgz1nnyJGe+PAr0pbgkWCvvC8a3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Gentlemen:

Here is a link that anyone can use to see photos from the cup. As soon as
Luke is finished I will upload the remainder of appproximately 1000 photos.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=77773&id=1150305602&l=d0b3d5a6cf

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=77808&id=1150305602&l=c04294631b

-- 
Very truly yours,

John Nikas
Cape Coventry Racing
www.capecoventryracing.com
(949) 375-6306

From igofaster at att.net  Sat Aug 28 15:37:31 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 14:37:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
In-Reply-To: <902172812-1282848809-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1492482043-@bda835.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <902172812-1282848809-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1492482043-@bda835.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <134871.79016.qm@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I'm sure Brad Allen is already on board...  but I would like to say YES to
anpther GT6 on the forum...

Bobby Whitehead

sometimes GT6 racer....
________________________________
From: "jerrybarr at charter.net"
<jerrybarr at charter.net>
To: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>;
fot-bounces at autox.team.net; 
fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010
1:53:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er

I second! We need More GT6
racers and technicians.
------Original Message------
From: Jason Ostrowski
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot]
nomination...GT6'er
Sent: Aug 26, 2010 12:37 PM

Hello FOT.
I would like to
nominate Brad Allen to our group. This Fine Triumph
Enthusiast saved me from
missing the Kastner Cup. Not only did he give me a
trans to get in the race,
he stayed with us and helped us for 6 hours
putting the car back together. He
knows a lot about fast GT6's and would be
a great addition to FOT.
Can I
please have a second!
Thanks
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27
Brad Allen's contact is bradgt6 at hotmail.com
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From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Sat Aug 28 16:15:29 2010
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 15:15:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft
References: <8CD114C338C699E-AF0-6D49@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <63754C2EC83B4A678B7FBF9C25821F94@your89d26e0447>

There are good crank grinding people who really know what they are doing. 
The best of them are able to repair cracks in steel cranks. Some years ago 
we rebuilt an AC Ace  6 cylinder engine. This was the single overhead cam 
engine designed and built by AC, not the Bristol engine.. The crank had  3 
cranks in it. The procedure is to grind the cracked area away until there is 
no more cracked material, then weld the crank back up with the proper alloy 
steel. The crank is then stress relieved and reheat treated, then reground 
to the proper size and configuration. Obviously this is a fairly expensive 
procedure and is only worth doing when the crank is an expensive, not easily 
replaceable piece.
    The technician who has done this for us in the past is Armando, at 
"custom crankshaft repair" in San Mateo. His phone number is 650 342-0568.
He is an expert in the heat treatment of cranks. He has done the best, most 
accurate and consistently sized journals we have ever had done. His 
timeliness sometimes leaves something to be desired.
                                                                             
                Greg Solow 

From dlhogye at comcast.net  Sat Aug 28 17:02:41 2010
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 23:02:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft
In-Reply-To: <502717.469717.1283036535442.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1930814004.469732.1283036561042.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

With Greg's recommendation I used Armando to do the work on a stock TR4 crankshaft which I'm about to put in my first TR race engine. All he does is crankshafts. At the same time he was working on my crank, he was doing few 250 V-12 Ferrari, a few V-12 Lamborghini, numerous 356, 911, and 911 RSR, 906, 908s and other Porsche cranks as well as a flat head Ford crank. His customers are from all around the country. Some were getting cracks repaired. There was a sea of crankshafts in his shop. He took about 5 weeks to do the work, but I was in no hurry. Armando was a pleasure to do business with and he is very enthusiastic and proud of his work. 

Dave Hogye 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Solow" <gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com> 
To: n197tr4 at cs.com, "Friends of Triumph" <FOT at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:15:29 PM 
Subject: Re: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft 

There are good crank grinding people who really know what they are doing. 
The best of them are able to repair cracks in steel cranks. Some years ago 
we rebuilt an AC Ace 6 cylinder engine. This was the single overhead cam 
engine designed and built by AC, not the Bristol engine.. The crank had 3 
cranks in it. The procedure is to grind the cracked area away until there is 
no more cracked material, then weld the crank back up with the proper alloy 
steel. The crank is then stress relieved and reheat treated, then reground 
to the proper size and configuration. Obviously this is a fairly expensive 
procedure and is only worth doing when the crank is an expensive, not easily 
replaceable piece. 
The technician who has done this for us in the past is Armando, at 
"custom crankshaft repair" in San Mateo. His phone number is 650 342-0568. 
He is an expert in the heat treatment of cranks. He has done the best, most 
accurate and consistently sized journals we have ever had done. His 
timeliness sometimes leaves something to be desired. 

Greg Solow 
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Aug 28 19:03:56 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 21:03:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft
In-Reply-To: <1930814004.469732.1283036561042.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8CD152D30D44133-10C0-2417D@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com>

This is good to know....for everyone....we have a billet crank that will
become an end table otherwise.

Thank you very much for the answer Greg and Dave.

Joe A





-----Original Message-----
From: davehogye <dlhogye at comcast.net>
To: Greg Solow <gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>
Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com; Friends of Triumph <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft



With Greg's recommendation I used Armando to do the work on a stock TR4
crankshaft which I'm about to put in my first TR race engine. All he does is
crankshafts.  At the same time he was working on my crank, he was doing few
250 V-12 Ferrari, a few V-12 Lamborghini, numerous 356, 911, and 911 RSR, 906,
908s and other Porsche cranks as well as a flat head Ford crank. His customers
are from all around the country. Some were getting cracks repaired. There was
a sea of crankshafts in his shop. He took about 5 weeks to do the work, but I
was in no hurry. Armando was a pleasure to do business with and he is very
enthusiastic and proud of his work.

   Dave Hogye
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Solow" <gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>
To: n197tr4 at cs.com, "Friends of Triumph" <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:15:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft

There are good crank grinding people who really know what they are doing.
The best of them are able to repair cracks in steel cranks. Some years ago
we rebuilt an AC Ace  6 cylinder engine. This was the single overhead cam
engine designed and built by AC, not the Bristol engine.. The crank had  3
cranks in it. The procedure is to grind the cracked area away until there is
no more cracked material, then weld the crank back up with the proper alloy
steel. The crank is then stress relieved and reheat treated, then reground
to the proper size and configuration. Obviously this is a fairly expensive
procedure and is only worth doing when the crank is an expensive, not easily
replaceable piece.
    The technician who has done this for us in the past is Armando, at
"custom crankshaft repair" in San Mateo. His phone number is 650 342-0568.
He is an expert in the heat treatment of cranks. He has done the best, most
accurate and consistently sized journals we have ever had done. His
timeliness sometimes leaves something to be desired.

                Greg Solow
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From igofaster at att.net  Sat Aug 28 21:29:46 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 20:29:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
In-Reply-To: <8AF392C3-5C6C-487F-9A03-614B91D62455@earthlink.net>
References: <902172812-1282848809-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1492482043-@bda835.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<134871.79016.qm@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<8AF392C3-5C6C-487F-9A03-614B91D62455@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <111806.17091.qm@web180810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

yeah.. trying sunday to get the GT6 to fire, right. I'll probably go to TWS in 
September to crew, at minimum. It's a driving school weekend... I may slum a 
ride from some Triumph... or , gad , MG buddy....

Bobby





________________________________
From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
To: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
Sent: Sat, August 28, 2010 4:47:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er

Sure sorry you couldn't make Topeka Bobby.
Bob Kramer picked up your FoT Wheels shirt and will get it to you.
Greg
On Aug 28, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote:

> I'm sure Brad Allen is already on board...  but I would like to say  
> YES to
> anpther GT6 on the forum...
>
> Bobby Whitehead
>
> sometimes GT6 racer....
> ________________________________
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> <jerrybarr at charter.net>
> To: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>;
> fot-bounces at autox.team.net;
> fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010
> 1:53:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
>
> I second! We need More GT6
> racers and technicians.
> ------Original Message------
> From: Jason Ostrowski
> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot]
> nomination...GT6'er
> Sent: Aug 26, 2010 12:37 PM
>
> Hello FOT.
> I would like to
> nominate Brad Allen to our group. This Fine Triumph
> Enthusiast saved me from
> missing the Kastner Cup. Not only did he give me a
> trans to get in the race,
> he stayed with us and helped us for 6 hours
> putting the car back together. He
> knows a lot about fast GT6's and would be
> a great addition to FOT.
> Can I
> please have a second!
> Thanks
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27
> Brad Allen's contact is bradgt6 at hotmail.com
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Sun Aug 29 01:15:48 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 02:15:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need a brake pedal switch
References: <16D0F1D8D83244D789CEC2E7263BDA85@rocky>
Message-ID: <91F57EBCF6DD4A209FBE304E8BB4606E@rocky>

Thanks, guys. Going to try the NAPA suggestions first and see what they 
have. If that doesn't work out, I'll be back.

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: ".Triumph List" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:12 PM
Subject: [Fot] Need a brake pedal switch


> I'm looking for an old/new brake pedal taillight switch. The thing that 
> mounts
> up near the base of the brake pedal.The one in my race car, '64 Spitfire,
> finally gave out after 45 years of use.
>
> Got a replacement from Vicky Brit. Three of them, in fact, because I 
> managed
> to break two of them putting the damn thing in. The replacement is a cheap
> plastic thingy that's not too robust. The old one is a stout metal item --  
> no
> surprise it lasted 45 years even coming from Lord Lucas (it apparently 
> finally
> found the "flicker" setting").
>
> The same switch is apparently on all Spits and GT6s as well as TR 4-6-7-8.
> What I'm hoping is someone has the old metal unit on their parts shelf, 
> never
> or seldom used. I just don't trust this plastic piece. At $4.95 it's
> overpriced.
>
> --Rocky Entriken
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Sun Aug 29 11:26:38 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 12:26:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A8017D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

For those of you running the small-crank Spitfire motors, what do you use as a lower (crank) timing gear when using a two-row timing chain?

Scott B.

From jaboruch at netzero.net  Sun Aug 29 12:05:30 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 18:05:30 GMT
Subject: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft
Message-ID: <20100829.140530.2826.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com>

If it is a Moldex, you can send it back to Moldex for repair.  I sent one to
them some years ago.  Just be prepared to wait for a while for them to fix it.
They made a new one for me in shorter time than to repair the cracked one.
Joe(B)

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From: n197tr4 at cs.com
To: dlhogye at comcast.net, gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com
Cc: seanax at iowalaser.com, FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 21:03:56 -0400

This is good to know....for everyone....we have a billet crank that will
become an end table otherwise.

Thank you very much for the answer Greg and Dave.

Joe A





-----Original Message-----
From: davehogye <dlhogye at comcast.net>
To: Greg Solow <gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>
Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com; Friends of Triumph <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft



With Greg's recommendation I used Armando to do the work on a stock TR4
crankshaft which I'm about to put in my first TR race engine. All he does is
crankshafts.  At the same time he was working on my crank, he was doing few
250 V-12 Ferrari, a few V-12 Lamborghini, numerous 356, 911, and 911 RSR,
906,
908s and other Porsche cranks as well as a flat head Ford crank. His
customers
are from all around the country. Some were getting cracks repaired. There was
a sea of crankshafts in his shop. He took about 5 weeks to do the work, but I
was in no hurry. Armando was a pleasure to do business with and he is very
enthusiastic and proud of his work.


____________________________________________________________
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Cut down 2 lbs per week by using this 1 weird old tip
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From REK46 at aol.com  Sun Aug 29 12:26:26 2010
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:26:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
Message-ID: <7aeb6.5d54b912.39ac0052@aol.com>

you have to buy the 2row timing gear and  and tensioner....I don't  think 
it does any good but add weight.Use a "NEW" cam wheel and crank gear  and 
chain and tensioner.
 
 
In a message dated 8/29/2010 1:35:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
sbarr at McCarty-Law.com writes:

For  those of you running the small-crank Spitfire motors, what do you use 
as a  lower (crank) timing gear when using a two-row timing chain?

Scott  B.
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From jason at multivintage.com  Sun Aug 29 13:42:03 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:42:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A8017D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
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Will you have the car ready to run at Blackhawk with MCSCC .... the
September event?
Hope so.
Jason, Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27

On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:

> For those of you running the small-crank Spitfire motors, what do you use
> as a lower (crank) timing gear when using a two-row timing chain?
>
> Scott B.
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From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Sun Aug 29 14:38:14 2010
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:38:14 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
Message-ID: <25695063.1283114294449.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Scott,  I use the Kent Cam setup in all my engines. It make dialing in the the cam easy.  I have one in stock if you want one.   Joe


-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Aug 29, 2010 10:26 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
>
>For those of you running the small-crank Spitfire motors, what do you use as a lower (crank) timing gear when using a two-row timing chain?
>
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From fpspitfire at comcast.net  Sun Aug 29 15:17:12 2010
From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:17:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A8017D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
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Scott,



I'm with Rick on this one.B  I've never used or had a double row timing
chain.B  They are more than double the rotating mass.B  why spend all that
money to lighen the crank and rods only to bolt it back on the front of the
engine.B  While I agree the degreeing in of the cam is easier with kent
adjustable, it just isn't worth the cost.



I've never had a timing chain or gear failure...and I can't think of a
spitfire racer who has.



aaron

#87 HP Spitfire 1500

Southern Illinois Region SCCA
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 1:26:38 PM
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?

For those of you running the small-crank Spitfire motors, what do you use as a
lower (crank) timing gear when using a two-row timing chain?

Scott B.
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From mdporter at dfn.com  Sun Aug 29 15:49:54 2010
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:49:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
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  On 8/29/2010 3:17 PM, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote:
> Scott,
>
>
>
> I'm with Rick on this one.B  I've never used or had a double row timing
> chain.B  They are more than double the rotating mass.B  why spend all that
> money to lighen the crank and rods only to bolt it back on the front of the
> engine.B  While I agree the degreeing in of the cam is easier with kent
> adjustable, it just isn't worth the cost.
>
>
>
> I've never had a timing chain or gear failure...and I can't think of a
> spitfire racer who has.
>
>
>

Umm, technically, the only rotating mass added to the crank is the extra 
row of teeth on the crank chain drive, so the additional amount is 
actually rather small (taking an extra ounce or so off the periphery of 
the flywheel would more than compensate).  The chain isn't considered as 
part of the rotating mass since it's an independent member which both 
slides and rotates on its own (at a much lower rate than either crank or 
cam), and the cam is operating at half speed, so mass effects due to 
rotation are quite a bit less than for the crank assembly.  The dual 
chain does create a bit of additional frictional drag, so it would 
consume a bit more power.


Still, I agree--if reliability is not an issue, and the cam can be 
properly degreed without an adjustable sprocket, why go to the 
additional expense?


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Aug 29 16:19:10 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:19:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
In-Reply-To: <4C7AD602.3030409@dfn.com>
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> The chain isn't considered as 
> part of the rotating mass since it's an independent member which both 
> slides and rotates on its own (at a much lower rate than 
> either crank or 
> cam),

I disagree.  Because the crank gear is connected to the chain, it takes the
same amount of energy to accelerate the chain as it would if the chain's
entire mass were concentrated around the rim of the gear.  The cam gear will
also add more rotational inertia than the crank gear does; even though it
turns 1/2 speed, it has twice the radius and roughly twice the mass.  Since
both speed and radius are squared in the inertia calculation (and hence
cancel out), we're still looking at roughly twice as much inertia.

Still not very much, but the effect is there.  However, I agree
whole-heartedly with not fixing what ain't broke.

Randall

From billb at bnj.com  Sun Aug 29 16:40:04 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:40:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
In-Reply-To: <4C7AD602.3030409@dfn.com>
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	<4C7AD602.3030409@dfn.com>
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While the chain is not directly connected to the chainwheel it's full weight
has to be accelerated. Consider a chain on a sprocket that was the same
circumference as the sprocket. You would certainly consider that part of the
rotating mass. Making the chain longer doesn't reduce the mass.
>
> Umm, technically, the only rotating mass added to the crank is the extra row
of teeth on the crank chain drive, so the additional amount is actually rather
small (taking an extra ounce or so off the periphery of the flywheel would
more than compensate).  The chain isn't considered as part of the rotating
mass since it's an independent member which both slides and rotates on its own
(at a much lower rate than either crank or cam), and the cam is operating at
half speed, so mass effects due to rotation are quite a bit less than for the
crank assembly.  The dual chain does create a bit of additional frictional
drag, so it would consume a bit more power.
>
>
> Still, I agree--if reliability is not an issue, and the cam can be properly
degreed without an adjustable sprocket, why go to the additional expense?
>
>
> Cheers.
>
> --
>
>
> Michael Porter
> Roswell, NM

From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Sun Aug 29 17:14:02 2010
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:14:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
Message-ID: <509304.94065.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Scott: All the agreeing/disagreeing over the amount of mass added aside, if
you want the double chain it requires more than just adding and double row
crank sprocket, double row
cam gear, and the wider tensioner. The double row crank sprocket did not
appear on the TR6 until the second year, and all six cylinder journels are
larger then the Spitty small journel . If you want to use that sprocket you
need to modify the sprocket to fit the smaller journel crank by adding an
insert. In the past Russ Moore has made some for the group, but, any good
machine shop can do the same if Russ no longer does them. Just purchase the
crank sprocket, cam gear, chain, and tensioner for '70-'76 TR6.
Thanks - Ed
   
--- On Sun, 8/29/10, REK46 at aol.com <REK46 at aol.com> wrote:


From: REK46 at aol.com <REK46 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com, fot at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 1:26 PM


you have to buy the 2row timing gear and  and tensioner....I don't  think
it does any good but add weight.Use a "NEW" cam wheel and crank gear  and
chain and tensioner.


In a message dated 8/29/2010 1:35:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
sbarr at McCarty-Law.com writes:

For  those of you running the small-crank Spitfire motors, what do you use
as a  lower (crank) timing gear when using a two-row timing chain?

Scott  B.
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From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Sun Aug 29 18:57:03 2010
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:57:03 +1000
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Racers
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAPDLifM8kIZLvyJERqBpxJIBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>

Gentlemen,

 

Can you let me know what ENGINE components you have had good reliability
results with? I am about to prepare a TR6 race engine with the collective
wisdom of the group! No use re-inventing the wheel.

 

1.    Pistons - Brand etc.

2.    Crankshaft - Billet

3.    Connecting Rods - Brand

 

 

Thank you in advance

 

Kind Regards

Peter Vucinic

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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Sat Aug 28 16:07:44 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 18:07:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Craigslist Find-- Spit Racer
In-Reply-To: <4C793F57.3070106@bradakis.com>
References: <20100828071222.XSKLX.10500949.root@mp19>
	<8F550FDB-0DDB-4609-8133-4DEE99038071@comcast.net>
	<4C793F57.3070106@bradakis.com>
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  But you'd die with more toys - isn't that the saying?

On Aug 28, 2010, at 12:54 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:

Scott Janzen wrote:
> What a deal. Someone should snap this up.
>
>
Well, I will eventually be getting a check from the insurance
company in an amount sufficient to cover the purchase of this
car.  But then there wouldn't be enough left to cover my
funeral expenses, as I am sure my wife would find out
about it sooner or later.

mjb.
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sun Aug 29 20:12:19 2010
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 19:12:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Racers
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1.    Pistons - Brand etc.  ~ Venolia
 2.    Crankshaft - Billet  ~ Stock balanced and cryogenic treated with 
extra thrust washer pinned (long snout 1969)
 3.    Connecting Rods - Brand ~ stock lightened, cleaned as per Kastner
Petrol injected car making about 190 hp (?)

Charly Mitchel
 TR6 #44

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 5:57 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Racers


> Gentlemen,
>
>
>
> Can you let me know what ENGINE components you have had good reliability
> results with? I am about to prepare a TR6 race engine with the collective
> wisdom of the group! No use re-inventing the wheel.
>
>
>
> 1.    Pistons - Brand etc.
>
> 2.    Crankshaft - Billet
>
> 3.    Connecting Rods - Brand
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you in advance
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sun Aug 29 21:55:29 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:55:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Cryo treatment
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Personally I have no gripes with rotor wear even with KFP pads. I did  
have the front stub axles done. Also had my rear axles done with  
bearings and seals installed - no problem. But that was before I went  
Southwick. Next time around I'll do the rods, rocker assembly and  
valve springs.
On a side note, the first crank I had done came back with a crack  
right where you'd expect it [on a 4] - at the #4 journal. It had been  
magna-fluxed before the treatment and after. I am convinced that the  
treatment brought the previously undetected crack to the visible  
surface and saved me a engine right there.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Aug 29, 2010, at 9:26 PM, Charly Mitchel wrote:

> I got my done by a firm locally and I thought was reasonable, I  
> think about $125.
> Yeah, I like it and I'm thinking of having some brake rotors done  
> to see how they last.
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44

From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 30 06:46:58 2010
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 05:46:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
Message-ID: <14949.9634.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Kas

From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 30 07:03:56 2010
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 06:03:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] 1967 TR4A IRS
Message-ID: <243004.2554.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI - I just picked up a TR4A that is in need of alot of frame repair.
Anyone know of an IRS frame that is available?

Thanks
Dennis

From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Mon Aug 30 08:05:32 2010
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:05:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
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Hmmmmmm....the Birthday Boy... Happy Birthday Kas 

Craig


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Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday

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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Mon Aug 30 09:39:08 2010
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:39:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 1967 TR4A IRS
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I believe Ratco makes new frames.  I saw them and they are very nice.  

Chris

Sent from my IPhone


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> AMICI - I just picked up a TR4A that is in need of alot of frame repair.
> Anyone know of an IRS frame that is available?
> 
> Thanks
> Dennis
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Aug 30 10:22:59 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:22:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 1967 TR4A IRS
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I have been to RATCO in Long Island....

First Class engineering and product with great reputation.

There are a couple of FOT/RATCO frames out there.





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To: Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:39 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] 1967 TR4A IRS


I believe Ratco makes new frames.  I saw them and they are very nice.
Chris
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n Aug 30, 2010, at 9:03 AM, Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> AMICI - I just picked up a TR4A that is in need of alot of frame repair.
 Anyone know of an IRS frame that is available?

 Thanks
 Dennis
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon Aug 30 10:40:12 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:40:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
In-Reply-To: <14949.9634.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<009301cb484c$69246ba0$3b6d42e0$@net>
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Happy Birthday Kas.


Terry Stetler

From gasket.works at gte.net  Mon Aug 30 10:40:12 2010
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:40:12 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 1967 TR4A IRS
Message-ID: <259561614-1283186410-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1716774716-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Don't fuss with an old frame unless this is for a street car.  RATCO has a very well built frame.....
M 
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 30 11:20:45 2010
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:20:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
In-Reply-To: <14949.9634.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <743922.63134.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Second ...  (or whatever)....
 
Happy Birthday, & wishes for many more. 
 
Thanks for all your help to the Fot.
 
Hope you're doing something fun today;>)


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire

--- On Mon, 8/30/10, Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


From: Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 7:46 AM


Kas
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Aug 30 13:17:29 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:17:29 +0200
Subject: [Fot] How to shift without clutch....
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXidXhMCIhk

From gp89 at charter.net  Mon Aug 30 16:10:26 2010
From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:10:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
In-Reply-To: <009301cb484c$69246ba0$3b6d42e0$@net>
Message-ID: <20100830181026.PQBC6.10606260.root@mp12>

Ooo that reminds me today is my wife's birthday. I better run to the store before she gets home!
Jeff
---- Craig <wensley_tr at comcast.net> wrote: 
> Hmmmmmm....the Birthday Boy... Happy Birthday Kas 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
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From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Mon Aug 30 20:00:57 2010
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:00:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Non AMC - Vintage race car - in car camera - The AMC Forum
Message-ID: <0ED0C93CD7344AF2BDBB3A26A558A958@Bucktailus>

Here is how its done, boys.  Good driving and  great performing engine.  How
about that acceleration on the upper end, for 1600 cc.
R. Johns




      http://www.theamcforum.com/forum/non-amc--vintage-race-car--in-car-came
ra_topic19998.html



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From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Mon Aug 30 21:14:36 2010
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:14:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park- Kasner Cup
Message-ID: <95C924CF2F0F49B89F6B1D88491B23C1@Bucktailus>

It has been said: "Better late than never!"  I wish to reactivate the subject
of what a great time was had in Topeka.  We had a most enjoyable time with
fantastic people!  What a nice bunch!  We finally got home after a few days at
our daughter's in Chicago. Yes, it was hot, but we survived and the great
competition and camaraderie was worth the heat.  Our congratulations to Bob
Kramer and to Keith Files.  Bob, I didn't get to meet you, but will in the
future. Keith, it was an honor to meet you (and your "spirited" wife) and my
wife thinks you are a hoot.   Kas and Peg and Jan and Joe were a delight to be
with.  Kas and Joe, you do such a great job guiding these guys. As an old Ford
Engineering friend of mine from the Upper Peninsula of Michigan used to say,
"we are all cut from the same bolt of shoddy cloth."  We hope to make it to
Laguna Seca next year, barring other conflicts.
R. Johns

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Aug 30 21:21:33 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:21:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] photobucket.com/ambro new seal centering tool and the retro
 63 split window corvette
Message-ID: <8CD16D2BF3F9FC5-195C-8416@webmail-d086.sysops.aol.com>

A couple of pictures you might be interested in or entertained by......
photobucket.com/ambro

John Nikas stopped in this summer with a 'mule'.  A styling exercise I think
was initiated by GM and executed by a tier one supplier. ZO6 underpinnings
with split window coupe retro stling cues is very attractive with modern
performance.

A picture of several new TR3/TR4 scroll seal centering tools.  The dimensions
reflect a change from the factory manual, after three independent reviews took
place in recent history. The new dimensions suggest that the TR engineers
reduced the clearance of the scroll seal and the manuals did not get changed.
Tools made to the factory manuals may separate the scroll seal at it's split
seams, creating a source of leakage.

These scroll seal centering tools will be available through BPNW, Moss, and
likely through TRF.

The seal centering tool can also be used with Chris Marx' new VITON seal
conversion. The modified scroll seal and the VITON seal can be obtained in
NORTH AMERICA from ARE.

photobucket.com/ambro                              (1st two pictures at the
moment)

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Aug  1 03:30:34 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 11:30:34 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Dashboard design
In-Reply-To: <4F6C089A81BA49A3BAA6CF99B1C24F47@homekeith>
References: <A7DB131E38D846BAA00DB31F5A52F344@your89d26e0447><001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com><CDA1DF0AF3784A718D942B34222449A5@your89d26e0447><000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com><D6F955CB372C4A8CAF7CBDD4EEA58B58@TER2>
	<000001cb2c07$5590d760$00b28620$@com>
	<4F6C089A81BA49A3BAA6CF99B1C24F47@homekeith>
Message-ID: <000001cb315c$335a9dc0$9a0fd940$@com>

Well,
after I met the racing team which does distribute these datalogger system
they installed it to my car for the Nordschleife event and they chose a
dashboard design for the event.
The equipment did very well I would say and so I bought it then. But I was
unhappy with the dashboard design...but now I have a new dashboard on the
screen which should be more suitable for a historic car:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xO-P436F_Y

Cheers
Chris


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Aug  1 05:59:49 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 07:59:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <SNT141-w13B23AD040A7D51594DB2B2AC0@phx.gbl>
References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<SNT141-w13B23AD040A7D51594DB2B2AC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CCFF882D47BD7B-1E80-26EFA@webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com>

We use a pair of MG GT springs rated at 480#s at the front and it sets the
ride height nicely as I remember it.  Several others have used these
springs....I think most have stayed with it.

Spax shocks at hard setting.

1.5-2.0 degree camber with modified upper A-Arms

0  -  1/32  Toe out

3/4" Goodparts swaybar.

We use no rear sway bar...and many others do not.

A simple low cost set up that seems effective for our purposes.

We tend to be more conservative on the costs....and need to be.

(Now we have two cars, three drivers, and one more driver at least, pending)





-----Original Message-----
From: Tony and Annie Garmey <horizonracing at msn.com>
To: deweerdm at rogers.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2010 11:32 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering


 Live axle car: check the front Spring rates (4-500lbs is a good starting
oint),That the ride height is Lower than the rear( A arms are parallel to the
evel ground) That the sway bar is not seized in the pillar blocks (3/4-7/8
ia), are the shocks working the same ? and IMHO, the welded diff needs to
o.
he quick steer rack is worth the dollars spent and I've added a 1/2 rear sway
ar to help with turn in as the TR 4 is or does have a lazy turn in.  I prefer
 pointy or crisp turn in. Using Hoosier speedster tires & yok. 048's.
very car/driver has there own preference and only testing different
ars/springs/shocks will get you were you need to go... the way you want it.
cheers & good luck
ony
> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:38:53 -0700
 From: deweerdm at rogers.com
 To: fot at autox.team.net
 Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering

 Hello list.
 I'm looking for any advice on how to get my TR4 to corner better. It seems
o
 under-steer immensely.
 I am now in the process of changing front springs and shocks because as I
 put heat into the tires, the car would dive down when I turn the wheel to
he
 left twice as much as when I turn to the right.(so I figured the left
pring
 to be weak). I have no idea of the age of the shocks or springs.
 I find that when entering a tight turn the car will continue straight no
 matter how much I turn the wheel and when the car slows down enough the
ront
 will then turn quite quickly and I have to counter-steer (straighten) the
 wheel. This makes turns seem jerky and unsafe to other racers.
 I have a welded rear live axle. (which just broke in the last race) and I
 noticed my "new" front Hoosiers are pretty much done after 4 races while
he
 back still look new.
 Now perhaps it's just me and I have to learn to drive slower into tight
urns
 while the MGB's fly past me, or I need to look at something in the front
nd?
 the car has 1/16 th to 1/8 toe in. the steering rack is tight, it has poly
 bushing through out the front end

 Any ideas would be appreciated, Thank you
 Mike
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Aug  1 07:04:43 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 08:04:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Dashboard design
In-Reply-To: <000001cb315c$335a9dc0$9a0fd940$@com>
References: <A7DB131E38D846BAA00DB31F5A52F344@your89d26e0447>
	<001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com>
	<CDA1DF0AF3784A718D942B34222449A5@your89d26e0447>
	<000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com>
	<D6F955CB372C4A8CAF7CBDD4EEA58B58@TER2>
	<000001cb2c07$5590d760$00b28620$@com>
	<4F6C089A81BA49A3BAA6CF99B1C24F47@homekeith>
	<000001cb315c$335a9dc0$9a0fd940$@com>
Message-ID: <20100801130355.A2DA6187644@autox.team.net>

Very cool!  I love the rear view mirror display.  The gauges are nice 
and are suitable for the car.

Which system is it?

- Tony

At 04:30 AM 8/1/2010, MadMarx wrote:
>Well,
>after I met the racing team which does distribute these datalogger system
>they installed it to my car for the Nordschleife event and they chose a
>dashboard design for the event.
>The equipment did very well I would say and so I bought it then. But I was
>unhappy with the dashboard design...but now I have a new dashboard on the
>screen which should be more suitable for a historic car:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xO-P436F_Y
>
>Cheers
>Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Aug  1 08:50:27 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 16:50:27 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001301cb3188$e443c130$accb4390$@com>

Hi,

I'm using stock springs all around but beefed up the front springs with
rubber bits in 3 coils.
I'm running 5 degree camber and .5 degree or slightly less toe in at each
wheel.
I have a 21mm front sway bar and a 17.5mm rear one.
Shocks
Front - Koni red
Rear - stock with stiffer oil
LSD - welded as you

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von MIKE DEWEERD
Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. August 2010 05:39
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Hard cornering

Hello list.
I'm looking for any advice on how to get my TR4 to corner better. It seems
to
under-steer immensely.
   I am now in the process of changing front springs and shocks because as I
put heat into the tires, the car would dive down when I turn the wheel to
the
left twice as much as when I turn to the right.(so I figured the left spring
to be weak). I have no idea of the age of the shocks or springs.
  I find that when entering a tight turn the car will continue straight no
matter how much I turn the wheel and when the car slows down enough the
front
will then turn quite quickly and I have to counter-steer (straighten) the
wheel. This makes turns seem jerky and unsafe to other racers.
  I have a welded rear live axle. (which just broke in the last race) and I
noticed my "new" front Hoosiers are pretty much done after 4 races while the
back still look new.
 Now perhaps it's just me and I have to learn to drive slower into tight
turns
while the MGB's fly past me, or I need to look at something in the front
end?
the car has 1/16 th to 1/8 toe in. the steering rack is tight, it has poly
bushing through out the front end

Any ideas would be appreciated, Thank you
Mike
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sun Aug  1 09:47:54 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 11:47:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Dashboard design (jch: now tach location)
In-Reply-To: <000001cb315c$335a9dc0$9a0fd940$@com>
References: <A7DB131E38D846BAA00DB31F5A52F344@your89d26e0447><001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com><CDA1DF0AF3784A718D942B34222449A5@your89d26e0447><000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com><D6F955CB372C4A8CAF7CBDD4EEA58B58@TER2>
	<000001cb2c07$5590d760$00b28620$@com>
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	<000001cb315c$335a9dc0$9a0fd940$@com>
Message-ID: <4C55972A.9050907@blacksburg.net>

On 8/1/2010 5:30 AM, MadMarx wrote:
> Well,
> after I met the racing team which does distribute these datalogger system
> they installed it to my car for the Nordschleife event and they chose a
> dashboard design for the event.
> The equipment did very well I would say and so I bought it then. But I was
> unhappy with the dashboard design...but now I have a new dashboard on the
> screen which should be more suitable for a historic car:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xO-P436F_Y
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>    
Very nice Chris.  What system is it?  It's cool to see the traffic rear 
view.  Is the speedometer in KPH?

Side question for the List: do folks leave the tach on the stock, left 
hand position, or move it to the right?  I've moved mine to the right, 
harkening back to my piloting days, where the primary flight control and 
engine instruments were in a tight group for scanning.  It makes it 
easier for me to see how the engine is doing by scanning from tach to 
oil pressure to temp, and occasionally to AFR (unfortunately mounted out 
of easy scan).

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Aug  1 11:31:52 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 19:31:52 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Dashboard design (jch: now tach location)
In-Reply-To: <4C55972A.9050907@blacksburg.net>
References: <A7DB131E38D846BAA00DB31F5A52F344@your89d26e0447><001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com><CDA1DF0AF3784A718D942B34222449A5@your89d26e0447><000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com><D6F955CB372C4A8CAF7CBDD4EEA58B58@TER2>
	<000001cb2c07$5590d760$00b28620$@com>
	<4F6C089A81BA49A3BAA6CF99B1C24F47@homekeith>
	<000001cb315c$335a9dc0$9a0fd940$@com>
	<4C55972A.9050907@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <000101cb319f$6e544a50$4afcdef0$@com>

It is a similar system like Mark Vaden use.
The only difference is that for the system I bought the dealer is in Germany
which makes it easier for me.

The system is from
http://www.race-technology.com/home_2.html

But the system from Mark is also great:
http://www.chasecam.com/

Have a look on his videos:
http://www.britishheritagemotorsports.com/TriHard_Racing.html

Your opinion with the tach position is right I would say but after 20 years
of TR driving I got used to have the tack left.
And my shift light is also on the left side because I found no better place
to hide it in front of the vents.


Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: J.C. Hassall [mailto:jhassall at blacksburg.net]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. August 2010 17:48
An: MadMarx
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Dashboard design (jch: now tach location)

On 8/1/2010 5:30 AM, MadMarx wrote:
> Well,
> after I met the racing team which does distribute these datalogger system
> they installed it to my car for the Nordschleife event and they chose a
> dashboard design for the event.
> The equipment did very well I would say and so I bought it then. But I was
> unhappy with the dashboard design...but now I have a new dashboard on the
> screen which should be more suitable for a historic car:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xO-P436F_Y
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
Very nice Chris.  What system is it?  It's cool to see the traffic rear
view.  Is the speedometer in KPH?

Side question for the List: do folks leave the tach on the stock, left
hand position, or move it to the right?  I've moved mine to the right,
harkening back to my piloting days, where the primary flight control and
engine instruments were in a tight group for scanning.  It makes it
easier for me to see how the engine is doing by scanning from tach to
oil pressure to temp, and occasionally to AFR (unfortunately mounted out
of easy scan).

jim

--
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From rjl at gt-classics.com  Sun Aug  1 12:00:47 2010
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 14:00:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B0.B7.24219.556B55C4@smtp02.embarq.synacor.com>

Definitively some good suggestions here, but I'd like
to add another one.  Check your alignment.  For
autocross, I preferred to use about a quarter inch of
toe out.  For higher speed courses, I would back that
off to about an 1/8 inch toe out, or zero toe.  That will
help the initial turn in a bit.

John

At 11:38 PM 7/31/2010, MIKE DEWEERD wrote:
>Hello list.
>I'm looking for any advice on how to get my TR4 to corner better. It seems to
>under-steer immensely.
>    I am now in the process of changing front springs and shocks because as I
>put heat into the tires, the car would dive down when I turn the wheel to the
>left twice as much as when I turn to the right.(so I figured the left spring
>to be weak). I have no idea of the age of the shocks or springs.
>   I find that when entering a tight turn the car will continue straight no
>matter how much I turn the wheel and when the car slows down enough the front
>will then turn quite quickly and I have to counter-steer (straighten) the
>wheel. This makes turns seem jerky and unsafe to other racers.
>   I have a welded rear live axle. (which just broke in the last race) and I
>noticed my "new" front Hoosiers are pretty much done after 4 races while the
>back still look new.
>  Now perhaps it's just me and I have to learn to drive slower into 
> tight turns
>while the MGB's fly past me, or I need to look at something in the front end?
>the car has 1/16 th to 1/8 toe in. the steering rack is tight, it has poly
>bushing through out the front end
>
>Any ideas would be appreciated, Thank you
>Mike
>_______________________________________________
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>
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Thanks,
R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net 


From KENMUN at aol.com  Sun Aug  1 13:05:53 2010
From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 15:05:53 EDT
Subject: [Fot] tr 3/4 timing chain sprockets and chain
Message-ID: <10d055.6830d9ea.39871f91@aol.com>

fot, i need both sprockets and chain. if you don't have all, a partial is  
ok. thanks, ken m. tr3 vintage racer


From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Aug  1 16:42:41 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 15:42:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Car Ad  COULD BE A TRIUMPH!
Message-ID: <DE91D4BDD1154894B46A699C6F77F59A@Bud>

Great way to start the day....:>)









        Watch this if you dont laugh at this there is no hope for you..
heheheha

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type video/x-ms-wmv which had a name of BestCarAdEver.wmv]


From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Aug  1 17:04:15 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 17:04:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Car Ad  COULD BE A TRIUMPH!
In-Reply-To: <DE91D4BDD1154894B46A699C6F77F59A@Bud>
References: <DE91D4BDD1154894B46A699C6F77F59A@Bud>
Message-ID: <4C55FD6F.5070508@bradakis.com>

> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type video/x-ms-wmv which had a name of BestCarAdEver.wmv]
>    

If I told you once, ...

Some days I do feel like no one ever listens to me, the list admin.

mjb.


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Aug  1 18:40:19 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 17:40:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Car Ad  COULD BE A TRIUMPH!
In-Reply-To: <4C55FD6F.5070508@bradakis.com>
References: <DE91D4BDD1154894B46A699C6F77F59A@Bud>
	<4C55FD6F.5070508@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <035b01cb31db$4933ee10$0301a8c0@randall>

> Some days I do feel like no one ever listens to me, 

Listening is one thing; remembering is another thing entirely!

Randall "My glasses were here a minute ago ..."


From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Aug  2 04:22:46 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 05:22:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006001cb322c$a78210e0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

The welded diff debate has occurred within this group
in the past.   Some of us like it others do not.
It does require a different driving style.  Stability of
attitude depends upon the throttle being screwed fully
down all the way thru the corner.  Gotta pitch the thing
into the hairpins.  Corner exit is pretty good.  the fact that
something broke makes me think maybe you were not
going fast enough to unload the inside tire.
My old TR3 used to go thru slow corners with both inside
tires off the ground.

art de armond
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MIKE DEWEERD" <deweerdm at rogers.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 10:38 PM
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering


> Hello list.
> I'm looking for any advice on how to get my TR4 to corner better. It seems 
> to
> under-steer immensely.
>   I am now in the process of changing front springs and shocks because as 
> I
> put heat into the tires, the car would dive down when I turn the wheel to 
> the
> left twice as much as when I turn to the right.(so I figured the left 
> spring
> to be weak). I have no idea of the age of the shocks or springs.
>  I find that when entering a tight turn the car will continue straight no
> matter how much I turn the wheel and when the car slows down enough the 
> front
> will then turn quite quickly and I have to counter-steer (straighten) the
> wheel. This makes turns seem jerky and unsafe to other racers.
>  I have a welded rear live axle. (which just broke in the last race) and I
> noticed my "new" front Hoosiers are pretty much done after 4 races while 
> the
> back still look new.
> Now perhaps it's just me and I have to learn to drive slower into tight 
> turns
> while the MGB's fly past me, or I need to look at something in the front 
> end?
> the car has 1/16 th to 1/8 toe in. the steering rack is tight, it has poly
> bushing through out the front end
>
> Any ideas would be appreciated, Thank you
> Mike
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>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Aug  2 06:26:56 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 14:26:56 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <006001cb322c$a78210e0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<006001cb322c$a78210e0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <000001cb323e$0076d4e0$01647ea0$@com>

I really don't feel any push at my car.
It has a crisp turning in.
I really love the welded diff. The balance of the car is so nice and easy
and predictable.

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von riverside
Gesendet: Montag, 2. August 2010 12:23
An: MIKE DEWEERD; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering

The welded diff debate has occurred within this group
in the past.   Some of us like it others do not.
It does require a different driving style.  Stability of
attitude depends upon the throttle being screwed fully
down all the way thru the corner.  Gotta pitch the thing
into the hairpins.  Corner exit is pretty good.  the fact that
something broke makes me think maybe you were not
going fast enough to unload the inside tire.
My old TR3 used to go thru slow corners with both inside
tires off the ground.

art de armond
----- Original Message -----
From: "MIKE DEWEERD" <deweerdm at rogers.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 10:38 PM
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering


> Hello list.
> I'm looking for any advice on how to get my TR4 to corner better. It seems

> to
> under-steer immensely.
>   I am now in the process of changing front springs and shocks because as
> I
> put heat into the tires, the car would dive down when I turn the wheel to
> the
> left twice as much as when I turn to the right.(so I figured the left
> spring
> to be weak). I have no idea of the age of the shocks or springs.
>  I find that when entering a tight turn the car will continue straight no
> matter how much I turn the wheel and when the car slows down enough the
> front
> will then turn quite quickly and I have to counter-steer (straighten) the
> wheel. This makes turns seem jerky and unsafe to other racers.
>  I have a welded rear live axle. (which just broke in the last race) and I
> noticed my "new" front Hoosiers are pretty much done after 4 races while
> the
> back still look new.
> Now perhaps it's just me and I have to learn to drive slower into tight
> turns
> while the MGB's fly past me, or I need to look at something in the front
> end?
> the car has 1/16 th to 1/8 toe in. the steering rack is tight, it has poly
> bushing through out the front end
>
> Any ideas would be appreciated, Thank you
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Aug  2 07:15:09 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:15:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Dashboard design & data loggers
In-Reply-To: <000001cb315c$335a9dc0$9a0fd940$@com>
Message-ID: <1547908884.582826.1280754909346.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Chris, 

What brand of data logger is it? I'm using the Traqmate system. I've only logged a couple races so 

far but already seeing where I can improve. The Traqmate system has a similar dashboard 

but I don't have the software yet to sync up the data to my video.. 



Jim G 




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2010 3:30:34 AM 
Subject: [Fot] Dashboard design 

Well, 
after I met the racing team which does distribute these datalogger system 
they installed it to my car for the Nordschleife event and they chose a 
dashboard design for the event. 
The equipment did very well I would say and so I bought it then. But I was 
unhappy with the dashboard design...but now I have a new dashboard on the 
screen which should be more suitable for a historic car: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xO-P436F_Y 

Cheers 
Chris 
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Aug  2 07:26:16 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 15:26:16 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Dashboard design & data loggers
In-Reply-To: <1547908884.582826.1280754909346.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <000001cb315c$335a9dc0$9a0fd940$@com>
	<1547908884.582826.1280754909346.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000c01cb3246$4b3e1350$e1ba39f0$@com>

Hi Jim,



this is the machinery:

http://www.race-technology.com/home_2.html



It does blend in the dashboard during the recording but you are also free to
do the blend in later at the PC.

I have this equipment:

Dash 3

DL1

Video4



Cheers

Chris



Von: toodamnfunky at comcast.net [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net]
Gesendet: Montag, 2. August 2010 15:15
An: MadMarx
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Dashboard design & data loggers



Chris,

What brand of data logger is it? I'm using the Traqmate system. I've only
logged a couple races so

far but already seeing where I can improve. The Traqmate system has a similar
dashboard

but I don't have the software yet to sync up the data to my video..



Jim G




----- Original Message -----
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2010 3:30:34 AM
Subject: [Fot] Dashboard design

Well,
after I met the racing team which does distribute these datalogger system
they installed it to my car for the Nordschleife event and they chose a
dashboard design for the event.
The equipment did very well I would say and so I bought it then. But I was
unhappy with the dashboard design...but now I have a new dashboard on the
screen which should be more suitable for a historic car:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xO-P436F_Y

Cheers
Chris
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Mon Aug  2 10:14:15 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 10:14:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Last call - Shirt orders
Message-ID: <B45FCCFE-E09E-4B72-A1C2-50C695E4A163@earthlink.net>

Last call for our very special, very limited edition "FoT Wheels" /  
Kastner Cup shirts. Response has been a bit dismal - apparently not  
everyone is as enthusiastic about the design as I am. Don't know when  
we will get another opportunity to combine a contemporary theme with  
a National Championship winning Triumph, the Kastner Cup and the  
inaugural event of a new club.
That's my last pitch.
For those who have sent your payment, I'll be sending you a  
confirmation before the order goes in.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM



Here are the links and details again.

Shirt front: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/Picture%201.png

Shirt back: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/KastnerBackUse.jpg


Sizes S - XL are $12.50 ea. + $1.25 for 2X-5X
Shipping  will be $3.50. That makes S-XL $16 and 2X-5X $17.25 or pick  
them up at the track.

Full color silk screen on a100% cotton white tee.
Be sure to specify the size[s] with your payment.


Payment via PayPal to:
lunkercars at earthlink.net

Send checks to:
Lunkercars
323-K Claremont Ave NW
Albuquerque NM 87107

If paying by check, please also send me a e-mail so I know the numbers.
Thanks.


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Aug  2 15:57:06 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:57:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Stupid Question...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008021750200.31896@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

This topic came up while installing the tranny in my race car. In short, I 
converted a RHD late TR6 (CR1871) to LHD about 10 years ago. I have most 
of the large pieces (dash, pedal box, accelerator pedal) and maybe a 
couple of misc stuff. I know they didn't make too many late RHD PI TR6s...

A dude from somewhere in the US is prepping a car for export to NZ and is 
looking at buying the stuff. In my usual charitable way, I suggested that 
I'd let the stuff go "cheap". I'm rethinking that path.

SO, what's this stuff worth? Off list is probably better - I'll summarize 
if I get any reasonable replies that are okay to share.

I had thought about restoring the tub to RHD and shipping the car off, but 
it would be a fairly big deal to return the car to RHD and streetable at 
this point (it's been a race car for 10 years)... but I bagged that idea a 
long time ago. So I'll likely sell the bits.

regards,
rml
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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2010 NER Solo Chair                            |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
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From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Mon Aug  2 16:33:17 2010
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:33:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Two car trailer
Message-ID: <1907609.1280788397166.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi FOT I'm looking for info on a two car trailer.  I have one now and a friend wants to add to his trailer. He has a 16 or 18 ft Carson now and we want to add a second car to it. We have a picture of a trailer heading up north on the 101 with two Spits on it. One on top of the other.  Please contact me .  Thanks    Joe

Chequered Flag Racing .net
Joseph P. Siam
9833 Deering Ave unit I
Chatsworth Ca 91311
818 350 6222


From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Aug  2 16:45:14 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 15:45:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Two car trailer
In-Reply-To: <1907609.1280788397166.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <1907609.1280788397166.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3AC54ED7F6FA4F8383B03F33C9FBCCF8@joepentiumnew>

Here is what I did:

http://members.cox.net/spitlist/Trailer.htm

By stacking the two cars, it is much shorter and therefore easier to handle
than most 2 car trailers.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Joseph Siam
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 3:33 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Two car trailer

Hi FOT I'm looking for info on a two car trailer.  I have one now and a
friend wants to add to his trailer. He has a 16 or 18 ft Carson now and we
want to add a second car to it. We have a picture of a trailer heading up
north on the 101 with two Spits on it. One on top of the other.  Please
contact me .  Thanks    Joe

Chequered Flag Racing .net
Joseph P. Siam
9833 Deering Ave unit I
Chatsworth Ca 91311
818 350 6222
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From igofaster at att.net  Mon Aug  2 18:07:19 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:07:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] My Spitfire Racecar on eBay
Message-ID: <757496.16482.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I listed a Triumph Spitfire on eBay last night. I bought it in March 2010 off of 
eBay. Would make a nice start for someone looking to get into vintage racing...
Item # 200503910599

Bobby Whitehead


From dave at microworks.net  Mon Aug  2 20:04:00 2010
From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 19:04:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] That new AZ track to be featured on Speed
Message-ID: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF034F71@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local>

The new track that opened this year down in Wilcox, Arizona will be
featured on Speed next week.



"Battle of the Supercars" filmed at Inde Motorsports will air August
12th at 10pm EST on SPEED Channel. Tanner Foust vs Paul Tracy in a
Gumpert Apollo and GT Malan! Set your DVRs and be sure to watch!"


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Aug  3 16:28:16 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 17:28:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Weight of SU H6 floats
Message-ID: <000001cb335b$2e4119d0$8ac34d70$@com>

Anyone happen to know what a good SU H6 float weighs, preferably in grams?
I'd like to check the floats I have to see which ones don't have any gas or
leaks.  The best way with my deficient hearing is to just weigh them.

 

Thanks,

Tim

1961 TR4 #317


From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  3 18:06:41 2010
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 00:06:41 +0000
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
Message-ID: <mailman.10.1638251562.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

Mike-

What fixes did you finally make to your float lids prior to the Seattle race and did they work?

I ended up buying some new float lids for MGB HS4s from Moss that orient the floats front to back and have the spring loaded needles. Drove the car around the neighborhood and it seemed to run fine, but haven't hit it hard into left handers, and won't be able to do until Topeka. 

If they do the trick, I will share the part numbers with those who are interested. 

Thx

Ty

------Original Message------
To: Tony Drews
To: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: Mike Mehl
To: Triumph Friends of
Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
Sent: Jun 23, 2010 6:53 PM

Hi Tony and Mike-

I have the same problem. Unfortunately, the current float bowl tops and 3 screw configuration doesn't give me this option.  All I can do is turn them 180 degrees. No space for fuel line if I place the pivot front or rear.   

Are there options or different tops for the bowls that can help solve this problem that folks are aware of?

Coming out of left handers right now floods badly and allows others to make some great passes!

Thx in advance for the help

Ty



------Original Message------
From: Tony Drews
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: Mike Mehl
To: Triumph Friends of
Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
Sent: Jun 21, 2010 12:18 AM

Mike, the tops of the float bowls need to be oriented so that the 
pivot for the float is at the front or the rear, not to either side.

- Tony Drews

At 11:34 PM 6/19/2010, Mike Mehl wrote:
>I finally have my head issues sorted out and ready to run in Seattle July 4
>weekend.  The car seems to hesitate when I turn the car a sharp left.  Any
>thoughts would be great.
>
>Mike
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From klynch_6 at msn.com  Tue Aug  3 18:48:48 2010
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 18:48:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] 1971 GT6 ser. # question
Message-ID: <SNT123-DS1265013C275FCAE0FC88E9B7AF0@phx.gbl>

Group:   per friend's request...


Kev,
could you post this to  FOT board please. I'm trying to find out if there is
any kind of record as to the number of GT6's (71 specifically) that left the
factory with an overdrive transmission and were they so noted in their serial
number (is the "O" at end after the "L" designate "Overdrive")

thanks
Bill


From mlcooknj at msn.com  Tue Aug  3 18:55:13 2010
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 20:55:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 1971 GT6 ser. # question
In-Reply-To: <SNT123-DS1265013C275FCAE0FC88E9B7AF0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT123-DS1265013C275FCAE0FC88E9B7AF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY147-w230849B5334106EB8AB699C8AF0@phx.gbl>

As far as I know, the final "O" always stood for Overdrive.

Mike Cook

> From: klynch_6 at msn.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 18:48:48 -0600
> Subject: [Fot] 1971 GT6 ser. # question
>
> Group: per friend's request...
>
>
> Kev,
> could you post this to FOT board please. I'm trying to find out if there is
> any kind of record as to the number of GT6's (71 specifically) that left
the
> factory with an overdrive transmission and were they so noted in their
serial
> number (is the "O" at end after the "L" designate "Overdrive")
>
> thanks
> Bill
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From markvaden at gmail.com  Tue Aug  3 23:44:15 2010
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 22:44:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Dashboard design (jch: now tach location)
References: <AANLkTimVU_JiafAzy7LyJcHh19wkssPpankBxRt0Q2vq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ADC0DCC3-444E-40F7-928C-FAF7083B2363@gmail.com>

I am re forwarding this since it seems it was not sent due to size. Sorry if
this was sent twice.
>

> I thought I would chime in since I have been working on this for a few
years. A friend and I decided to write an application that would combine video
and data for analysis a few years back. We programmed it ourselves on nights
and weekends. When we were nearing completion we approached ChaseCam about a
partnership, and they were open to it, and so the product is now ChaseCam
DashWare. I only mention the way we started because it explains one of the
core features of the product - the ability to work with any camera and any
data logger. Since we did not know when we were developing the software, how
things would turn out, we made DashWare work with as wide a range as products
as possible.
>
> DashWare can combine video and data with almost any logger and almost any
camera. With the cameras by ChaseCam the data and video is auto synchronized,
otherwise the video is manually synchronized using the software. We are in the
process of making a new website for DashWare, and we are going to drastically
reduce the price, so if anyone is interested in purchasing DashWare send me an
email. We are also going to implement a FOT price break, so again if anyone is
interested send me an email.
>
> Over the last few years of working on this, I have used 1/2 dozen or so
different loggers - so I have some feedback. I will try and keep it unbiased.
>
> I think for analysis the most important things are rpm and speed. Than after
that accelerometers are nice, and then the individual sensors like throttle
and brake. I think you get the best value by having other data to compare to.
So if a lot of people have one logger that you run with you might consider
getting the same logger, so you can compare your data vs theirs. Or
alternatively you can use DashWare to compare data from almost any logger.
>
> ChaseCam Data Module
> Pros:
> Auto syncs video with data
> Supports gps/rpm + one additional sensor.
> Has an optional OBD2 hookup
> Software (DashWare) is very easy to use.
> Camera automatically starts and stops recording
> Compact size
> Easy to hook up
> Build custom gauges (overlays that look like TR4 etc)
> Cons:
> Only works with ChaseCam cameras
> No Dash(Display)
> Can only set start finish in software
> TraqMate
> Pros:
> Supports gps/rpm
> Easy to use
> Cons:
> Only supports camcorders (which do not work well for recording racing
video)
> Must remove the dash from the car to plug it into usb port (kind of a pain
unscrewing it all)
> Does not seem as rugged as some other loggers
>
> RLC/ChaseCam Chase Commander:
> Pros:
> Very nice Dash
> easy to setup
> Depending on model expandable
> Supports gps/accelerometers/rpm
> Cons:
> Software is easy to use but too limited
>
> Racepak G2X:
> Pros:
> GPS/accelerometers/rpm
> Nice hardware - 5hz gps, very rugged
> Very expandable with large list of add on sensors
> Cons:
> Software is horrible. Even once you figure out how to use it, requires two
many steps before you see your data.
> Motec:
> The best system - can monitor anything.
> The software is complex, but phenomenal. Most pro teams use Motec.
> Cons:
> $$$$$ - it's really expensive
>
> If anyone has some questions about loggers - feel free to ping me.
>
> -Mark


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Aug  4 01:22:22 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:22:22 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Dashboard design (jch: now tach location)
In-Reply-To: <ADC0DCC3-444E-40F7-928C-FAF7083B2363@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimVU_JiafAzy7LyJcHh19wkssPpankBxRt0Q2vq@mail.gmail.com>
	<ADC0DCC3-444E-40F7-928C-FAF7083B2363@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000f01cb33a5$c93a6960$5baf3c20$@com>

Thank you Mark for this very useful information.
Does your software support the DL1 Logger and Video4 system?

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Mark Vaden
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. August 2010 07:44
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Fwd: Dashboard design (jch: now tach location)

I am re forwarding this since it seems it was not sent due to size. Sorry if
this was sent twice.
>

> I thought I would chime in since I have been working on this for a few
years. A friend and I decided to write an application that would combine
video
and data for analysis a few years back. We programmed it ourselves on nights
and weekends. When we were nearing completion we approached ChaseCam about a
partnership, and they were open to it, and so the product is now ChaseCam
DashWare. I only mention the way we started because it explains one of the
core features of the product - the ability to work with any camera and any
data logger. Since we did not know when we were developing the software, how
things would turn out, we made DashWare work with as wide a range as
products
as possible.
>
> DashWare can combine video and data with almost any logger and almost any
camera. With the cameras by ChaseCam the data and video is auto
synchronized,
otherwise the video is manually synchronized using the software. We are in
the
process of making a new website for DashWare, and we are going to
drastically
reduce the price, so if anyone is interested in purchasing DashWare send me
an
email. We are also going to implement a FOT price break, so again if anyone
is
interested send me an email.
>
> Over the last few years of working on this, I have used 1/2 dozen or so
different loggers - so I have some feedback. I will try and keep it
unbiased.
>
> I think for analysis the most important things are rpm and speed. Than
after
that accelerometers are nice, and then the individual sensors like throttle
and brake. I think you get the best value by having other data to compare
to.
So if a lot of people have one logger that you run with you might consider
getting the same logger, so you can compare your data vs theirs. Or
alternatively you can use DashWare to compare data from almost any logger.
>
> ChaseCam Data Module
> Pros:
> Auto syncs video with data
> Supports gps/rpm + one additional sensor.
> Has an optional OBD2 hookup
> Software (DashWare) is very easy to use.
> Camera automatically starts and stops recording
> Compact size
> Easy to hook up
> Build custom gauges (overlays that look like TR4 etc)
> Cons:
> Only works with ChaseCam cameras
> No Dash(Display)
> Can only set start finish in software
> TraqMate
> Pros:
> Supports gps/rpm
> Easy to use
> Cons:
> Only supports camcorders (which do not work well for recording racing
video)
> Must remove the dash from the car to plug it into usb port (kind of a pain
unscrewing it all)
> Does not seem as rugged as some other loggers
>
> RLC/ChaseCam Chase Commander:
> Pros:
> Very nice Dash
> easy to setup
> Depending on model expandable
> Supports gps/accelerometers/rpm
> Cons:
> Software is easy to use but too limited
>
> Racepak G2X:
> Pros:
> GPS/accelerometers/rpm
> Nice hardware - 5hz gps, very rugged
> Very expandable with large list of add on sensors
> Cons:
> Software is horrible. Even once you figure out how to use it, requires two
many steps before you see your data.
> Motec:
> The best system - can monitor anything.
> The software is complex, but phenomenal. Most pro teams use Motec.
> Cons:
> $$$$$ - it's really expensive
>
> If anyone has some questions about loggers - feel free to ping me.
>
> -Mark
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Wed Aug  4 04:40:39 2010
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 03:40:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] 1971 GT6 ser. # question
In-Reply-To: <SNT123-DS1265013C275FCAE0FC88E9B7AF0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT123-DS1265013C275FCAE0FC88E9B7AF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <149532.30506.qm@web80807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

As someone else wrote, the O suffix always meant overdrive. However,
the
factory didn't always get it right. My 1973 Spitfire has and always
has had
OD, but the serial number doesn't reflect that.
________________________________
From: KEVIN LYNCH <klynch_6 at msn.com>
To: FOT
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, August 3, 2010 8:48:48 PM
Subject: [Fot] 1971
GT6 ser. # question

Group:  per friend's request...


Kev,
could you post
this to  FOT board please. I'm trying to find out if there is
any kind of
record as to the number of GT6's (71 specifically) that left the
factory with
an overdrive transmission and were they so noted in their serial
number (is
the "O" at end after the "L" designate "Overdrive")

thanks
Bill
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Aug  4 09:49:02 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:49:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Liner height question
Message-ID: <678938078.679759.1280936942383.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

FoT

I picked up my block last night and set about fitting my new liners. I
generally

measure the liner height at six points. 1 , 3, 5, 7, 9 & 11 o'clock.

I use the 12 and 6 position to cinch the liner to the block with aluminum bar

that bridges from stud to stud. I use a spacer that makes contact with the
liners

at 12 & 6.B 

On # 3 liner I am getting a tight .003 on one side of the block and .005 on
the other.

I'm shooting for .003 - .004 since I'm using the shim steel gasket. I tried
loosening

the liner and re-seat it and it still reads the same after I snug it down
again.

Tonight I will try to move liners around and see if I get better results

but I was wondering if ;

A.B B B B B Is aB snug .003 fit enough projection?

B.B B B  IsB a difference of .002 from side to side too much?



Still trying to make Topeka & thanks for any input,

Jim G


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Wed Aug  4 10:45:41 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:45:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <006001cb322c$a78210e0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<006001cb322c$a78210e0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <33D176FC-E819-439B-AF5C-581DC0569DA4@comcast.net>

I'm also trying to improve my car's handling.  As a GT6 driver,  
there's less of a "database" of drivers out there than with the TR4,  
so I'm wading through Fred Puhn's How to Make Your Car Handle.   
Readily available used on Amazon, and it may be helpful in  
understanding the dynamics of what you are experiencing, as you start  
trying new parts.

I'm finding it a good read, and perhaps I will have less "error"  
associated with the "trial" as I work on car balance.


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Aug  4 11:23:48 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 19:23:48 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <33D176FC-E819-439B-AF5C-581DC0569DA4@comcast.net>
References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<006001cb322c$a78210e0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<33D176FC-E819-439B-AF5C-581DC0569DA4@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000601cb33f9$cf77f690$6e67e3b0$@com>

This year I also had a look into a German suspension books....one for race
car suspension and one for engineering of suspension.
>From this I started to work a lot more with the suspension to fit the car to
the track and found lots of seconds on the track.
At Zandvoort I had a gain of 2 seconds
At Assen 5 seconds
And the Nordschleife 20 seconds
(not all by suspension the new cam did also help)

So there is much gain to find at our cars.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Scott Janzen
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. August 2010 18:46
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering

I'm also trying to improve my car's handling.  As a GT6 driver,
there's less of a "database" of drivers out there than with the TR4,
so I'm wading through Fred Puhn's How to Make Your Car Handle.
Readily available used on Amazon, and it may be helpful in
understanding the dynamics of what you are experiencing, as you start
trying new parts.

I'm finding it a good read, and perhaps I will have less "error"
associated with the "trial" as I work on car balance.
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Wed Aug  4 11:41:19 2010
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:41:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <33D176FC-E819-439B-AF5C-581DC0569DA4@comcast.net>
References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>,
	<006001cb322c$a78210e0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>,
	<33D176FC-E819-439B-AF5C-581DC0569DA4@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <SNT141-w44C21C7DE83091CA5E410BB2AF0@phx.gbl>

Having read Fred's book and a whole bunch of others......the best IMHO is the
Mark Donohue Unfair advantage. The Basis of which is to work out what you
"think" you need and test test test after testing on a skid pad.
I've been lucky enough to build a lot of vintage race cars and the basics
never change. Tires ! Shocks ! Because the car has been lowered, do the shocks
bottom out (that's a big one for Porsche 356's), Is suspension binding and
have enough travel ?
I've got a Ferrari (250GT SWB Fantuzzi ) that I put a rear bar on then
removed, springs rates etc etc. nothing made a difference to the feel of the
car or lap times.
Why ? because the Chassis flex's so bad. Again. Back to basics.

Hope this snippet of info helpful to someone :)

Tony

> From: s.janzen at comcast.net
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:45:41 -0400
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering
>
> I'm also trying to improve my car's handling. As a GT6 driver,
> there's less of a "database" of drivers out there than with the TR4,
> so I'm wading through Fred Puhn's How to Make Your Car Handle.
> Readily available used on Amazon, and it may be helpful in
> understanding the dynamics of what you are experiencing, as you start
> trying new parts.
>
> I'm finding it a good read, and perhaps I will have less "error"
> associated with the "trial" as I work on car balance.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Aug  4 12:29:11 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:29:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Liner height question
In-Reply-To: <678938078.679759.1280936942383.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <678938078.679759.1280936942383.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087B935CDC@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

In your situation I would put the head on less the gasket, tighten to 50 lbs
and recheck. You may get better measurement results than you think. I have a
torque plate for that purpose. Actually I have two but that's another story.

IMHO, .002 side to side is an issue. I've seen stock compression engines have
a head gasket failure with this difference, but at the same time it was
possibly a quality of work issue.

Some people get the deck surfaced not realizing that that deck surface needs
to be indexed off the liner ledge, not the oil pan surface, resulting in
slightly slanted decks. Thus you cannot fix this problem with the liners. If
you cannot do it any other way use a stock head gasket and be extra careful
with the torquing and you will probably get through it.


Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson




-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:49 AM
To: fot
Subject: [Fot] Liner height question

FoT

I picked up my block last night and set about fitting my new liners. I
generally


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Aug  4 19:53:01 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 19:53:01 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Well, shucks
Message-ID: <4C5A197D.2080202@bradakis.com>

Nice.  Come home from work and no network.  Looks like Team.Net went
off the air a little after noon Utah time, I think I have it back and 
running.

mjb.


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Aug  4 15:26:41 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:26:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Liner height question
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087B935CDC@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
References: <678938078.679759.1280936942383.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087B935CDC@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <0ff301cb341b$bb5bd470$32137d50$@rr.com>

> If
> you cannot do it any other way use a stock head gasket and be extra
> careful
> with the torquing and you will probably get through it.

FWIW, I have had good luck sealing .003" from side to side, by using a stock
head gasket and the addition of a copper O-ring around each cylinder.  20
AWG "half hard" bare copper wire, laid into the slight groove next to the
stock fire ring, and tacked in place with electronic solder.
http://tinyurl.com/2f6lvq5

Before trying that, I just could not keep a head gasket sealed for any
length of time.  This is on the street (but I do drive my cars hard on
occasion).

And I'm beginning to think this was a fairly common problem from the
factory, since I've now found two TR3 blocks in a row that appear unmolested
and yet are not machined properly.

-- Randall 


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Wed Aug  4 20:21:41 2010
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:21:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Empty trailer ohio
Message-ID: <BAY123-W299EC148AEBA382E019287BA900@phx.gbl>

There is a chance I will have an empty open car trailer going to / from the
Oxford Ohio area to the Cleveland Ohio area mid September.  If you need  a
vehicle transported in that general area contact me off list.

Marty


From deweerdm at rogers.com  Wed Aug  4 20:24:55 2010
From: deweerdm at rogers.com (MIKE DEWEERD)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 19:24:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
Message-ID: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hello List
Thank you for ALL the advice so far.  This is where I'm at.
 
I've
  -installed new front competetion springs and GAZ shocks (adjustable) from
TSI
  -installed solid rear spring bushings (poly)
  -set tire pressures at 23 cold 26 hot  This is where I ran last 3 races
seemed good
  -car will be in frame shop early next week to check frame
square/straightness etc.
  -car will get 4 wheel alignment and 1.75 neg if possible with me in
car.(early tr4)
  -rear springs were found to be of different arch so re-arched them
  - front swaybar 3/4 dia (unknown origon) set to zero
  - corner weights wil be measured with driver.
 
That's it for now, it's a lot of changes at once so I'll never know which one
did the most but this will be my base line to go forward on.
A brake Bias and new dual master cylinders this winter perhaps a LSD diff
(budget pending)
 
It's sometimes a real pain not knowing what previous owners have done or tried
to do to the car in years gone by, I urge all racers to document all changes
and improvements to thier cars for future buyer/owners .....and just so that
you remember too.
 
Cheers
Mike Deweerd TR4 #77
 
 
 
 


From deweerdm at rogers.com  Wed Aug  4 20:34:04 2010
From: deweerdm at rogers.com (MIKE DEWEERD)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 19:34:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] HEADER for a TR4
Message-ID: <6438.33057.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

And just when you think you're getting ahead, ,,,,
 
I was putting in the new springs and noticed the header wrap was hanging loose
so I cut it off, an hour or so later when I was finishing up the shocks I
noticed a crack in the header (where I cut the wrap off earlier) so I pulled
the header off unwrapped it completely and found most of the number 2 tube
missing along the bottom (rotted)
Ted (TSI) has found me one across the pond but it's a bit pricey, Stahl seems
to have a nice one but it's also a bit steep.  Anyone know of a header for
sale anywhere???
my muffler guy doesn't have a die with that tight a radius and even if he did
he'd end up making the whole thing over so he can weld it.
Thanks
Mike Deweerd
TR4 #77


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Aug  4 21:19:33 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 21:19:33 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>

As I relayed before Mike - RADIUS ARMS!

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Aug 4, 2010, at 8:24 PM, MIKE DEWEERD wrote:

> Hello List
> Thank you for ALL the advice so far.  This is where I'm at.
>
> I've
>   -installed new front competetion springs and GAZ shocks  
> (adjustable) from
> TSI
>   -installed solid rear spring bushings (poly)
>   -set tire pressures at 23 cold 26 hot  This is where I ran last 3  
> races
> seemed good
>   -car will be in frame shop early next week to check frame
> square/straightness etc.
>   -car will get 4 wheel alignment and 1.75 neg if possible with me in
> car.(early tr4)
>   -rear springs were found to be of different arch so re-arched them
>   - front swaybar 3/4 dia (unknown origon) set to zero
>   - corner weights wil be measured with driver.
>
> That's it for now, it's a lot of changes at once so I'll never know  
> which one
> did the most but this will be my base line to go forward on.
> A brake Bias and new dual master cylinders this winter perhaps a  
> LSD diff
> (budget pending)
>
> It's sometimes a real pain not knowing what previous owners have  
> done or tried
> to do to the car in years gone by, I urge all racers to document  
> all changes
> and improvements to thier cars for future buyer/owners .....and  
> just so that
> you remember too.
>
> Cheers
> Mike Deweerd TR4 #77
>
>
>
>
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Aug  4 23:48:09 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 23:48:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] HEADER for a TR4
In-Reply-To: <6438.33057.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <0C852135-B90E-4C24-9198-19D045019C93@comcast.net>

There is a stainless steel header for sale in Colorado.
As I recall it was 200 or 250. Look on Colorado craigslist

Jim g

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 4, 2010, at 8:34 PM, MIKE DEWEERD <deweerdm at rogers.com> wrote:

> And just when you think you're getting ahead, ,,,,
>
> I was putting in the new springs and noticed the header wrap was  
> hanging loose
> so I cut it off, an hour or so later when I was finishing up the  
> shocks I
> noticed a crack in the header (where I cut the wrap off earlier) so  
> I pulled
> the header off unwrapped it completely and found most of the number  
> 2 tube
> missing along the bottom (rotted)
> Ted (TSI) has found me one across the pond but it's a bit pricey,  
> Stahl seems
> to have a nice one but it's also a bit steep.  Anyone know of a  
> header for
> sale anywhere???
> my muffler guy doesn't have a die with that tight a radius and even  
> if he did
> he'd end up making the whole thing over so he can weld it.
> Thanks
> Mike Deweerd
> TR4 #77
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Aug  4 23:55:56 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 23:55:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6A44D6E5-08B4-41BF-B410-47031DF4ECA0@earthlink.net>

Pardon me... Radius arms, radius bars, torque bars, torque rods,  
traction bars - whatever you want to call them.
 From Kas' '65 Competition Prep Manual -" The rear torque bars are an  
absolute MUST for a competition machine".

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM.
On Aug 4, 2010, at 9:19 PM, Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote:

> As I relayed before Mike - RADIUS ARMS!
>
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
> On Aug 4, 2010, at 8:24 PM, MIKE DEWEERD wrote:
>
>> Hello List
>> Thank you for ALL the advice so far.  This is where I'm at.
>>
>> I've
>>   -installed new front competetion springs and GAZ shocks  
>> (adjustable) from
>> TSI
>>   -installed solid rear spring bushings (poly)
>>   -set tire pressures at 23 cold 26 hot  This is where I ran last  
>> 3 races
>> seemed good
>>   -car will be in frame shop early next week to check frame
>> square/straightness etc.
>>   -car will get 4 wheel alignment and 1.75 neg if possible with me in
>> car.(early tr4)
>>   -rear springs were found to be of different arch so re-arched them
>>   - front swaybar 3/4 dia (unknown origon) set to zero
>>   - corner weights wil be measured with driver.
>>
>> That's it for now, it's a lot of changes at once so I'll never  
>> know which one
>> did the most but this will be my base line to go forward on.
>> A brake Bias and new dual master cylinders this winter perhaps a  
>> LSD diff
>> (budget pending)
>>
>> It's sometimes a real pain not knowing what previous owners have  
>> done or tried
>> to do to the car in years gone by, I urge all racers to document  
>> all changes
>> and improvements to thier cars for future buyer/owners .....and  
>> just so that
>> you remember too.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mike Deweerd TR4 #77
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Aug  5 08:08:57 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:08:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HEADER for a TR4
In-Reply-To: <6438.33057.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <6438.33057.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000b01cb34a7$c1ca1420$455e3c60$@com>

We purchased a header from Ted Schmacher (TS Imported Automotive) in
February or 2009 for $210.  Ted was able to have his supplier provide a 1/2
inch flange so that the header flange and intake manifold flange were the
same thickness such that the clamps would work properly.  I had to do a
little modifying with a die grinder and carbide bit to fit it up.  We're
very pleased with the header and would recommend it.

Tim Murphy
1961 TR4 #317

P.S. One advantage to essentially building the race car from scratch is
knowing exactly what was done to everything. I documented just about
everything we did, including making an electrical schematic of the wiring I
did, and have continued on the things we have done since finishing it.  I've
kept a "big book" of all of our documentation.  My memory is pretty good, it
just seems to be getting shorter:)

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MIKE DEWEERD
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 9:34 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] HEADER for a TR4

And just when you think you're getting ahead, ,,,,
 
I was putting in the new springs and noticed the header wrap was hanging
loose
so I cut it off, an hour or so later when I was finishing up the shocks I
noticed a crack in the header (where I cut the wrap off earlier) so I pulled
the header off unwrapped it completely and found most of the number 2 tube
missing along the bottom (rotted)
Ted (TSI) has found me one across the pond but it's a bit pricey, Stahl
seems
to have a nice one but it's also a bit steep.  Anyone know of a header for
sale anywhere???
my muffler guy doesn't have a die with that tight a radius and even if he
did
he'd end up making the whole thing over so he can weld it.
Thanks
Mike Deweerd
TR4 #77
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Aug  5 08:14:25 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:14:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>

FWIW  One thing that Uncle Jack told me about radius rods is that the pivot
points have to be such that the rods are parallel to the axle such that they
don't pull or push on the axle when it moves up and down.  Probably not as
easy as it sounds to achieve.  They were on our car when we got it and Jack
said he had tried them on his car and found they really didn't help that
much and were difficult to setup so he took them off.  We never put ours on
when we built the car.

Tim
1961 TR4 #317

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:20 PM
To: MIKE DEWEERD
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering

As I relayed before Mike - RADIUS ARMS!

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Aug 4, 2010, at 8:24 PM, MIKE DEWEERD wrote:

> Hello List
> Thank you for ALL the advice so far.  This is where I'm at.
>
> I've
>   -installed new front competetion springs and GAZ shocks  
> (adjustable) from
> TSI
>   -installed solid rear spring bushings (poly)
>   -set tire pressures at 23 cold 26 hot  This is where I ran last 3  
> races
> seemed good
>   -car will be in frame shop early next week to check frame
> square/straightness etc.
>   -car will get 4 wheel alignment and 1.75 neg if possible with me in
> car.(early tr4)
>   -rear springs were found to be of different arch so re-arched them
>   - front swaybar 3/4 dia (unknown origon) set to zero
>   - corner weights wil be measured with driver.
>
> That's it for now, it's a lot of changes at once so I'll never know  
> which one
> did the most but this will be my base line to go forward on.
> A brake Bias and new dual master cylinders this winter perhaps a  
> LSD diff
> (budget pending)
>
> It's sometimes a real pain not knowing what previous owners have  
> done or tried
> to do to the car in years gone by, I urge all racers to document  
> all changes
> and improvements to thier cars for future buyer/owners .....and  
> just so that
> you remember too.
>
> Cheers
> Mike Deweerd TR4 #77
>
>
>
>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Aug  5 08:42:15 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 16:42:15 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
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If the radius arm is something like a Panhard rod or a Watts link then it
seems that most of the European racers don't use them.

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Tim Murphy
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. August 2010 16:14
An: 'Greg "Lunker" Hilyer'; 'MIKE DEWEERD'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering

FWIW  One thing that Uncle Jack told me about radius rods is that the pivot
points have to be such that the rods are parallel to the axle such that they
don't pull or push on the axle when it moves up and down.  Probably not as
easy as it sounds to achieve.  They were on our car when we got it and Jack
said he had tried them on his car and found they really didn't help that
much and were difficult to setup so he took them off.  We never put ours on
when we built the car.

Tim
1961 TR4 #317

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:20 PM
To: MIKE DEWEERD
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering

As I relayed before Mike - RADIUS ARMS!

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Aug 4, 2010, at 8:24 PM, MIKE DEWEERD wrote:

> Hello List
> Thank you for ALL the advice so far.  This is where I'm at.
>
> I've
>   -installed new front competetion springs and GAZ shocks
> (adjustable) from
> TSI
>   -installed solid rear spring bushings (poly)
>   -set tire pressures at 23 cold 26 hot  This is where I ran last 3
> races
> seemed good
>   -car will be in frame shop early next week to check frame
> square/straightness etc.
>   -car will get 4 wheel alignment and 1.75 neg if possible with me in
> car.(early tr4)
>   -rear springs were found to be of different arch so re-arched them
>   - front swaybar 3/4 dia (unknown origon) set to zero
>   - corner weights wil be measured with driver.
>
> That's it for now, it's a lot of changes at once so I'll never know
> which one
> did the most but this will be my base line to go forward on.
> A brake Bias and new dual master cylinders this winter perhaps a
> LSD diff
> (budget pending)
>
> It's sometimes a real pain not knowing what previous owners have
> done or tried
> to do to the car in years gone by, I urge all racers to document
> all changes
> and improvements to thier cars for future buyer/owners .....and
> just so that
> you remember too.
>
> Cheers
> Mike Deweerd TR4 #77
>
>
>
>
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From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  5 08:58:34 2010
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (T Thompson)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 07:58:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] HEADER for a TR4
In-Reply-To: <6438.33057.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <6438.33057.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <564650.12326.qm@web65707.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

When I bought my TR4, it had the fiberglass header wrap on it.  A neighbor who
races RMVR saw it and said I should take it off. He races a 70 Cuda, and said
he 
had melted a set of expensive headers with the wrap.  I figured a Cuda
with over 
500 horses must generate a lot more heat than this little tractor
motor, so I 
continued on.

Late one afternoon, my son and I were working on
the car and he pointed me to a 
glowing red section above the collector.  It
actually looked like it could have 
melted any minute.  We removed the wrap
and the glow went away, and then as a 
surprise, the boys removed the header
and had it ceramic coated by a shop up 
near Denver as a Christmas present.  I
think it cost them about $150 bucks to 
get it done.  The old header looks
pretty good and it is coated inside and out.  
It really seems to keep
the keep the heat out of the engine compartment.

Anyway, food for thought for
those of you using the wrap.

Ty

'63 TR4 #413


 
________________________________
From: MIKE DEWEERD <deweerdm at rogers.com>
To:
fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, August 4, 2010 8:34:04 PM
Subject: [Fot] HEADER
for a TR4

And just when you think you're getting ahead, ,,,,

I was putting
in the new springs and noticed the header wrap was hanging loose
so I cut it
off, an hour or so later when I was finishing up the shocks I
noticed a crack
in the header (where I cut the wrap off earlier) so I pulled
the header off
unwrapped it completely and found most of the number 2 tube
missing along the
bottom (rotted)
Ted (TSI) has found me one across the pond but it's a bit
pricey, Stahl seems
to have a nice one but it's also a bit steep.  Anyone know
of a header for
sale anywhere???
my muffler guy doesn't have a die with that
tight a radius and even if he did
he'd end up making the whole thing over so
he can weld it.
Thanks
Mike Deweerd
TR4 #77
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From kaskas at cox.net  Thu Aug  5 09:24:28 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 8:24:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] HEADER for a TR4
In-Reply-To: <564650.12326.qm@web65707.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100805112428.YALPD.32464.imail@fed1rmwml29>

The problem with wrap on a header is that it traps the moisture and that rusts the material.  Stainless will work okay.
---- T Thompson <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com> wrote: 

=============
When I bought my TR4, it had the fiberglass header wrap on it.  A neighbor who
races RMVR saw it and said I should take it off. He races a 70 Cuda, and said
he 
had melted a set of expensive headers with the wrap.  I figured a Cuda
with over 
500 horses must generate a lot more heat than this little tractor
motor, so I 
continued on.

Late one afternoon, my son and I were working on
the car and he pointed me to a 
glowing red section above the collector.  It
actually looked like it could have 
melted any minute.  We removed the wrap
and the glow went away, and then as a 
surprise, the boys removed the header
and had it ceramic coated by a shop up 
near Denver as a Christmas present.  I
think it cost them about $150 bucks to 
get it done.  The old header looks
pretty good and it is coated inside and out.  
It really seems to keep
the keep the heat out of the engine compartment.

Anyway, food for thought for
those of you using the wrap.

Ty

'63 TR4 #413


 
________________________________
From: MIKE DEWEERD <deweerdm at rogers.com>
To:
fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, August 4, 2010 8:34:04 PM
Subject: [Fot] HEADER
for a TR4

And just when you think you're getting ahead, ,,,,

I was putting
in the new springs and noticed the header wrap was hanging loose
so I cut it
off, an hour or so later when I was finishing up the shocks I
noticed a crack
in the header (where I cut the wrap off earlier) so I pulled
the header off
unwrapped it completely and found most of the number 2 tube
missing along the
bottom (rotted)
Ted (TSI) has found me one across the pond but it's a bit
pricey, Stahl seems
to have a nice one but it's also a bit steep.  Anyone know
of a header for
sale anywhere???
my muffler guy doesn't have a die with that
tight a radius and even if he did
he'd end up making the whole thing over so
he can weld it.
Thanks
Mike Deweerd
TR4 #77
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From billb at bnj.com  Thu Aug  5 10:44:30 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:44:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
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No, radius rods keep the axle from shifting forward and back on the springs,
panhard bars prevent lateral movement. The purpose of radius rods and panhard
bars is to provide a stable platform to optimize the suspension and steering
from. By themselves they do very little for handling with a car as far from
good racing suspension design as a TR3/4. But if you get everything else right
they become critical. When the radius rods on Peyote break or get otherwise
disconnected the car handles like crap.

There is no recipe for suspension that will make a TR handle as there is for
modern cars which generally don't have fundamental design flaws. The cheapest
econobox has a rigid platform, no bump steer, camber and camber gain that is
optimized for the recommended tires, no spring tramping, and a precisely
designed amount of understeer to keep Mom out of trouble. If you want to race
one of those cars you buy the parts package that EVERYONE knows works, install
it properly, bolt in a roll cage and you're set to spend some real money
moving from the back to the front. But your car will handle as well as it can
for the given platform.

Our cars are not so simple and the recipe and results depends on the chef. The
way these conversations progress, talking about individual elements instead of
a package, is a clear indication that it's art rather than engineering. If you
wanted to take a more engineering approach you'd get the platform stable
first, then apply core engineering principles to make the car steer and handle
at high speed. The art approach works just fine, but focusing on blueberries
doesn't yield a fine pie.

On Aug 5, 2010, at 7:42 AM, MadMarx wrote:

> If the radius arm is something like a Panhard rod or a Watts link then it
> seems that most of the European racers don't use them.
>
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Tim Murphy
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. August 2010 16:14
> An: 'Greg "Lunker" Hilyer'; 'MIKE DEWEERD'
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering
>
> FWIW  One thing that Uncle Jack told me about radius rods is that the pivot
> points have to be such that the rods are parallel to the axle such that
they
> don't pull or push on the axle when it moves up and down.  Probably not as
> easy as it sounds to achieve.  They were on our car when we got it and Jack
> said he had tried them on his car and found they really didn't help that
> much and were difficult to setup so he took them off.  We never put ours on
> when we built the car.
>
> Tim


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Thu Aug  5 10:58:02 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:58:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Header Wrap
Message-ID: <477E083A-F8E3-4A08-AB0D-51A8B09EDCC6@earthlink.net>

Here's an interesting FAQ from Stahl Headers about header wrap.

http://www.stahlheaders.com/faq.htm#wrap

~Steve


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Thu Aug  5 12:18:01 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 13:18:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087B936A3F@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Does anyone have any experience with the cometic head gaskets being sold on
Ebay?

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141 Office
512-657-8526 Cell

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Aug  5 14:58:26 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 22:58:26 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <36BF4D5B-A69A-4CCC-A8B5-81E8CAE673C4@bnj.com>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
	<000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>
	<002101cb34ac$6753b730$35fb2590$@com>
	<36BF4D5B-A69A-4CCC-A8B5-81E8CAE673C4@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <000f01cb34e0$f49f4b70$dddde250$@com>

I really have fear to rise the cornering speed more.
With the new datalogger tool I found out that the normal cornering forces
are up to 1.5G and in excess 1.9G.
The 5 degree camber is responsible for that (and give the car a dirty look
like a showboat).
But at the moment I'm really happy with my setup and how sensible the car
react on changes to the setup like stiffening the swaybars or soften them.
Tire pressure.
The most gain brought to remove all rubber out of the front suspension and
replaced it all with Deldrin bushings.

As you can see even on a bumpy track like the Nordschleife I have not much
to do at the steering (maybe I'm going too slow?)

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. August 2010 18:45
An: MadMarx
Cc: 'Tim Murphy'; 'Greg "Lunker" Hilyer'; 'MIKE DEWEERD'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering

No, radius rods keep the axle from shifting forward and back on the springs,
panhard bars prevent lateral movement. The purpose of radius rods and
panhard bars is to provide a stable platform to optimize the suspension and
steering from. By themselves they do very little for handling with a car as
far from good racing suspension design as a TR3/4. But if you get everything
else right they become critical. When the radius rods on Peyote break or get
otherwise disconnected the car handles like crap.

There is no recipe for suspension that will make a TR handle as there is for
modern cars which generally don't have fundamental design flaws. The
cheapest econobox has a rigid platform, no bump steer, camber and camber
gain that is optimized for the recommended tires, no spring tramping, and a
precisely designed amount of understeer to keep Mom out of trouble. If you
want to race one of those cars you buy the parts package that EVERYONE knows
works, install it properly, bolt in a roll cage and you're set to spend some
real money moving from the back to the front. But your car will handle as
well as it can for the given platform.

Our cars are not so simple and the recipe and results depends on the chef.
The way these conversations progress, talking about individual elements
instead of a package, is a clear indication that it's art rather than
engineering. If you wanted to take a more engineering approach you'd get the
platform stable first, then apply core engineering principles to make the
car steer and handle at high speed. The art approach works just fine, but
focusing on blueberries doesn't yield a fine pie.

On Aug 5, 2010, at 7:42 AM, MadMarx wrote:

> If the radius arm is something like a Panhard rod or a Watts link then it
> seems that most of the European racers don't use them.
>
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Tim Murphy
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. August 2010 16:14
> An: 'Greg "Lunker" Hilyer'; 'MIKE DEWEERD'
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering
>
> FWIW  One thing that Uncle Jack told me about radius rods is that the
pivot
> points have to be such that the rods are parallel to the axle such that
they
> don't pull or push on the axle when it moves up and down.  Probably not as
> easy as it sounds to achieve.  They were on our car when we got it and
Jack
> said he had tried them on his car and found they really didn't help that
> much and were difficult to setup so he took them off.  We never put ours
on
> when we built the car.
>
> Tim


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Thu Aug  5 15:53:08 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 17:53:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087B936A3F@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
References: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087B936A3F@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <4C5B32C4.4060509@blacksburg.net>

On 8/5/2010 2:18 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience with the cometic head gaskets being sold on
> Ebay?
>
>    
Bob, I didn't see any Cometic gaskets for TRs on ebay, but that said, 
I've had excellent results with their 89mm gaskets for my TR4.

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Aug  5 17:15:00 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 16:15:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <4C5B32C4.4060509@blacksburg.net>
References: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087B936A3F@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
	<4C5B32C4.4060509@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <007801cb34f4$079d6050$16d820f0$@rr.com>

Here's one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=270608409712

But the price is basically the same as Summit, et al, and the photo is
clearly of some other gasket.  Might save a few bucks on shipping, IF he
sends the right gasket instead of the one in the photo.

-- Randall 


From cartravel at pobox.com  Thu Aug  5 17:28:17 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 18:28:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
	<000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>
Message-ID: <4C5B4911.9020400@pobox.com>

When I got my TR3 it handled like crap.  I didn't know if the problem 
was my lack of talent or the car's suspension.  I knew next to nothing 
about suspension, so I read through all the FoT archives.  I also found 
the Puhn book to be very helpful.  I also played with a suspension 
analysis program.

Many with a TR3 or TR4 with solid axle have found they like an almost 
stock rear and very stiff front, such as:
1. stiff front springs, many use 450 lb/in MGBGT springs
2. 1 inch anti-sway bar in front
3. 2 1/2 degrees negative camber seems to be about right for Hoosier 
Speedster, 1 1/2 degree for Vintage TD.  This can be achieved by 
shortening the up A arms.
4. toe in should be 0 to 1/16 inch
5. eliminate bumpsteer by raising or lowering the steering rack (TR4) or 
by heating and bending the steering levers (TR3)
6. lower the front by shortening the donuts or by using shorter springs
7. lower the rear by dearching the rear springs or by using lowering blocks.
8. the rear should be basically stock, but the BFE rear spring locator 
kit may help
9. hard bushings are also a good idea.
This should give a pretty good starting point.  You can tweak from 
there.  I followed this recipe and it completely transformed the car.  I 
never did get to the tweaking phase.

You can find a lot of discussions of suspension in the archives.  I 
especially like the discussion where Jack Drews said they had all this 
neat "stuff" on their suspension and with each piece they took off, 
their laps times got faster.

Larry Young


From mdporter at dfn.com  Thu Aug  5 17:47:04 2010
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 17:47:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <002101cb34ac$6753b730$35fb2590$@com>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
	<000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>
	<002101cb34ac$6753b730$35fb2590$@com>
Message-ID: <4C5B4D78.5020701@dfn.com>

MadMarx wrote:
> If the radius arm is something like a Panhard rod or a Watts link then it
> seems that most of the European racers don't use them.
>
>   
Probably some confusion with terminology has been introduced.  Ladder 
bars are typically used with leaf spring live axles in order to prevent 
rotation of the axle housing and spring wrap-up under power.  Lateral 
radius rods (or Panhard rod) or a Watts link are used to maintain 
lateral axle location of live axles sprung with coil springs, and should 
be unnecessary with properly installed leaf springs.   In theory, 
longitudinal radius rods (as with a 3- or 4-bar arrangement) can be used 
with either leaf or coil springs to prevent rotation of the axle housing 
under power and braking.


FWIW.  That's the way I've always understood the functions of those items.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Aug  5 18:00:07 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 20:00:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering now....... Rear Shackle Kit available
In-Reply-To: <4C5B4911.9020400@pobox.com>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com><72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net><000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>
	<4C5B4911.9020400@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <8CD031176DDEFD6-4E04-66AF@Webmail-d109.sysops.aol.com>

Larry,

This summary is familiar territory to me.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---

I just made up another 10 kits of the the rear shackle hard bushings with
Delrin side washers, if anyone is interested.

They make sense, work well, easy to install, and are seen in one of Kas'
books.

Sold by Moss and TRF, too,

Special pricing to FOT, of course.

Joe A






-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
To: 'MIKE DEWEERD' <deweerdm at rogers.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Aug 5, 2010 6:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering


When I got my TR3 it handled like crap. I didn't know if the problem was my
lack of talent or the car's suspension. I knew next to nothing about
suspension, so I read through all the FoT archives. I also found the Puhn book
to be very helpful. I also played with a suspension analysis program.

Many with a TR3 or TR4 with solid axle have found they like an almost stock
rear and very stiff front, such as:
1. stiff front springs, many use 450 lb/in MGBGT springs
2. 1 inch anti-sway bar in front
3. 2 1/2 degrees negative camber seems to be about right for Hoosier
Speedster, 1 1/2 degree for Vintage TD. This can be achieved by shortening the
up A arms.
4. toe in should be 0 to 1/16 inch
5. eliminate bumpsteer by raising or lowering the steering rack (TR4) or by
heating and bending the steering levers (TR3)
6. lower the front by shortening the donuts or by using shorter springs
7. lower the rear by dearching the rear springs or by using lowering blocks.
8. the rear should be basically stock, but the BFE rear spring locator kit may
help
9. hard bushings are also a good idea.
This should give a pretty good starting point. You can tweak from there. I
followed this recipe and it completely transformed the car. I never did get to
the tweaking phase.

You can find a lot of discussions of suspension in the archives. I especially
like the discussion where Jack Drews said they had all this neat "stuff" on
their suspension and with each piece they took off, their laps times got
faster.

Larry Young
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Aug  5 18:09:27 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 20:09:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6   RACERS/DRIVERS  only.....  delete otherwise.
Message-ID: <8CD0312C4F4624E-4E04-67E6@Webmail-d109.sysops.aol.com>

FOT,

My son sent an order through for 25 GT6 rear plates instead of for the TR6.

I'd like to reduce the inventory on these. I really hadnt planned to run
anymore as they are slow moving.

Killer price on the first five to get shed of a few.

Thanks,

Joe


From jaboruch at netzero.com  Thu Aug  5 19:21:02 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 01:21:02 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Header Wrap
Message-ID: <20100805.212102.358.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com>

When I first started racing my TR3, I put header wrap on the old headers and
after a few races the headers fell apart.  Bought stainless headers from BFE
and had them coated by Airborne coatings.  That was over 10 years ago.
Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Header Wrap
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:58:02 -0700

Here's an interesting FAQ from Stahl Headers about header wrap.

http://www.stahlheaders.com/faq.htm#wrap

~Steve
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Thu Aug  5 19:43:20 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 21:43:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering now....... Rear Shackle Kit available
In-Reply-To: <8CD031176DDEFD6-4E04-66AF@Webmail-d109.sysops.aol.com>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com><72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net><000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>
	<4C5B4911.9020400@pobox.com>
	<8CD031176DDEFD6-4E04-66AF@Webmail-d109.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C5B68B8.10605@blacksburg.net>

On 8/5/2010 8:00 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> Larry,
>
> This summary is familiar territory to me.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
>
> I just made up another 10 kits of the the rear shackle hard bushings with
> Delrin side washers, if anyone is interested.
>
> They make sense, work well, easy to install, and are seen in one of Kas'
> books.
>
> Sold by Moss and TRF, too,
>
> Special pricing to FOT, of course.
>
> Joe A
>
>    
I can attest that Joe's kit transformed how my TR4 handles.

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From jaboruch at netzero.com  Thu Aug  5 19:47:31 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 01:47:31 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
Message-ID: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>

I was not aware that Cometic had one for the TR4, this is great news!  Their
web site only shows it as 88mm.  Anyone know if this has the relief to match
grinding the top of the cylinder liner for intake valve flow?   Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
To: "Kramer, Robert" <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>
Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 17:53:08 -0400

On 8/5/2010 2:18 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience with the cometic head gaskets being sold on
> Ebay?
>
>
Bob, I didn't see any Cometic gaskets for TRs on ebay, but that said,
I've had excellent results with their 89mm gaskets for my TR4.

jim

--
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Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go
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From kaskas at cox.net  Thu Aug  5 21:31:39 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 20:31:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <4C5B4D78.5020701@dfn.com>
Message-ID: <20100805233139.FVTTE.327735.imail@fed1rmwml31>

The traction bars were great for standing starts but not of much help in normal racing in these more modern flying start races.
---- Michael Porter <mdporter at dfn.com> wrote: 

=============
MadMarx wrote:
> If the radius arm is something like a Panhard rod or a Watts link then it
> seems that most of the European racers don't use them.
>
>   
Probably some confusion with terminology has been introduced.  Ladder 
bars are typically used with leaf spring live axles in order to prevent 
rotation of the axle housing and spring wrap-up under power.  Lateral 
radius rods (or Panhard rod) or a Watts link are used to maintain 
lateral axle location of live axles sprung with coil springs, and should 
be unnecessary with properly installed leaf springs.   In theory, 
longitudinal radius rods (as with a 3- or 4-bar arrangement) can be used 
with either leaf or coil springs to prevent rotation of the axle housing 
under power and braking.


FWIW.  That's the way I've always understood the functions of those items.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


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From billb at bnj.com  Thu Aug  5 23:20:22 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 22:20:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <4C5B4D78.5020701@dfn.com>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
	<000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>
	<002101cb34ac$6753b730$35fb2590$@com> <4C5B4D78.5020701@dfn.com>
Message-ID: <3EB533C9-06A5-4FE4-8AC2-84FCFAF62F57@bnj.com>

yup.
On Aug 5, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Michael Porter wrote:

> MadMarx wrote:
>> If the radius arm is something like a Panhard rod or a Watts link then it
>> seems that most of the European racers don't use them.
>>
>>
> Probably some confusion with terminology has been introduced.  Ladder bars
are typically used with leaf spring live axles in order to prevent rotation of
the axle housing and spring wrap-up under power.  Lateral radius rods (or
Panhard rod) or a Watts link are used to maintain lateral axle location of
live axles sprung with coil springs, and should be unnecessary with properly
installed leaf springs.   In theory, longitudinal radius rods (as with a 3- or
4-bar arrangement) can be used with either leaf or coil springs to prevent
rotation of the axle housing under power and braking.
>
>
> FWIW.  That's the way I've always understood the functions of those items.
>
>
> Cheers.
>
> --
>
>
> Michael Porter
> Roswell, NM
>
>
> Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking
distance....
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Fri Aug  6 05:34:23 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 07:34:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>

On 8/5/2010 9:47 PM, Joe Boruch wrote:
> I was not aware that Cometic had one for the TR4, this is great news!  Their web site only shows it as 88mm.  Anyone know if this has the relief to match grinding the top of the cylinder liner for intake valve flow?   Joe(B)
>    
They'll make a gasket for whatever bore you request.  I have 89mm 
sleeves, so they made an 89mm gasket, same price as a stock gasket, 
IIRC.  The gasket does not have the relief tho.

jim

-- 
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Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Aug  6 06:00:47 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 14:00:47 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
	<4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>

What material is the gasket made from?

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von J.C. Hassall
Gesendet: Freitag, 6. August 2010 13:34
An: Joe Boruch
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket

On 8/5/2010 9:47 PM, Joe Boruch wrote:
> I was not aware that Cometic had one for the TR4, this is great news!
Their web site only shows it as 88mm.  Anyone know if this has the relief to
match grinding the top of the cylinder liner for intake valve flow?   Joe(B)
>
They'll make a gasket for whatever bore you request.  I have 89mm
sleeves, so they made an 89mm gasket, same price as a stock gasket,
IIRC.  The gasket does not have the relief tho.

jim

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Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Fri Aug  6 10:10:21 2010
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 16:10:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
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Chris: 


Here's their website: 


http://www.cometic.com/default.aspx 


Gary 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
To: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.com> 
Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
Sent: Friday, August 6, 2010 5:00:47 AM 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket 

What material is the gasket made from? 

Chris 

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- 
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im 
Auftrag von J.C. Hassall 
Gesendet: Freitag, 6. August 2010 13:34 
An: Joe Boruch 
Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket 

On 8/5/2010 9:47 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: 
> I was not aware that Cometic had one for the TR4, this is great news! 
Their web site only shows it as 88mm. Anyone know if this has the relief to 
match grinding the top of the cylinder liner for intake valve flow? Joe(B) 
> 
They'll make a gasket for whatever bore you request. I have 89mm 
sleeves, so they made an 89mm gasket, same price as a stock gasket, 
IIRC. The gasket does not have the relief tho. 

jim 

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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Fri Aug  6 10:33:58 2010
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 16:33:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Riverside Races Footage - 1960s
Message-ID: <1978283923.968203.1281112438383.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Link to good film footage of racing at Riverside in the 1960's. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819aVZwnt3o 


Gary 


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Fri Aug  6 11:27:19 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 10:27:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Riverside Races Footage - 1960s
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Great footage but what's up with the sleepy-time music?

~Steve


On Aug 6, 2010, at 9:33 AM, vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote:

Link to good film footage of racing at Riverside in the 1960's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819aVZwnt3o


Gary
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From igofaster at att.net  Fri Aug  6 14:51:16 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 13:51:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] GT6   RACERS/DRIVERS  only.....  delete otherwise.
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I'll buy one for the GT6... yeah, I get it, we're slow movers...   : )




________________________________
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To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, August 5, 2010 7:09:27 PM
Subject: [Fot] GT6   RACERS/DRIVERS  only.....  delete otherwise.

FOT,

My son sent an order through for 25 GT6 rear plates instead of for the TR6.

I'd like to reduce the inventory on these. I really hadnt planned to run
anymore as they are slow moving.

Killer price on the first five to get shed of a few.

Thanks,

Joe
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From igofaster at att.net  Fri Aug  6 15:33:09 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 14:33:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Riverside Races Footage - 1960s
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	<DF076B2B-F067-4B78-8DFA-AEF8933EDE33@earthlink.net>
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dang.. that one roll over is scary... That's why you roadster guys wear arm 
restraints!  Bobby Whitehead GT6 Coupe'.




________________________________
From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: vintage.racer at comcast.net
Cc: Friends of Triumph <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 12:27:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Riverside Races Footage - 1960s

Great footage but what's up with the sleepy-time music?

~Steve


On Aug 6, 2010, at 9:33 AM, vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote:

Link to good film footage of racing at Riverside in the 1960's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819aVZwnt3o


Gary
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From kaskas at cox.net  Fri Aug  6 16:24:35 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 15:24:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Riverside Races Footage - 1960s
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In the very beginning start you will see my car with Charlie Gates up in a white TR-4 #47. Saw lots of people I knew in those days.  good stuff.
---- vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote: 

=============
Link to good film footage of racing at Riverside in the 1960's. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819aVZwnt3o 


Gary 
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From whitedog72 at hotmail.com  Fri Aug  6 21:04:09 2010
From: whitedog72 at hotmail.com (f s)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 20:04:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
Message-ID: <BAY138-W19180B570EF497E2C8C423C1920@phx.gbl>

Need some advice,

 I just put an engine together. 100% new seals and gaskets. Everything is
great accept the rear main seal is leaking alot. I have put alot of these
together and never had this problem before. I have taken it back apart and it
looks centered and no damage. I also made sure the all the bolts were good and
that areas that needed copper flat washers were correct. Any ideas from the
group? I am baffled and have a big mess. ;o(

Thanks


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Sat Aug  7 07:48:46 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 08:48:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
Message-ID: <000001cb3637$435fe3d0$ca1fab70$@com>

We just contacted Woodman Tire to order some Hoosier Speedsters to pick up
at the Kastner Cup at Heartland Park and Woodman said they will not be there
due to lack of orders and low number of entrants.

 

Tim

1961 TR4 #317


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sat Aug  7 09:11:38 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 11:11:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
	<4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
	<000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>
Message-ID: <4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net>

On 8/6/2010 8:00 AM, MadMarx wrote:
> What material is the gasket made from?
>
> Chris
>
>    
Chris, I don't have my build log handy and don't remember the material.  
The Cometic part number is H0793SP4043F.  Hoefentlich dass ist Hilfe.

jim
> On 8/5/2010 9:47 PM, Joe Boruch wrote:
>    
>> I was not aware that Cometic had one for the TR4, this is great news!
>>      
> Their web site only shows it as 88mm.  Anyone know if this has the relief to
> match grinding the top of the cylinder liner for intake valve flow?   Joe(B)
>    
>>
>>      
> They'll make a gasket for whatever bore you request.  I have 89mm
> sleeves, so they made an 89mm gasket, same price as a stock gasket,
> IIRC.  The gasket does not have the relief tho.
>
> jim
>
>    


-- 
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Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From bswope959 at msn.com  Sat Aug  7 10:17:48 2010
From: bswope959 at msn.com (Bill Swope)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 10:17:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
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Does any one know what the entry count is?
  ----- Original Message -----
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  Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park


  We just contacted Woodman Tire to order some Hoosier Speedsters to pick up
  at the Kastner Cup at Heartland Park and Woodman said they will not be
there
  due to lack of orders and low number of entrants.



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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Aug  7 11:23:41 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 13:23:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
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	<SNT122-DS32B41D62E9219E2FB7680EC920@phx.gbl>
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Bill, and FOT,

We are still expecting 25, if not more, FOT.

I cant speak to the general entries, as there may be a lot of last minute
entries that I dont know about.

We will have quite a large field when the Triumphs are combined in the regular
group and a very nice Kastner Cup field.

We ARE the show at Topeka......no stock cars, plenty of track time, and lot's
of entertainment and hospitality.

I am sure that the primary organizers are disappointed at the response of this
inaugural event, but the quality is sure to be there.

Joe Alexander






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Sent: Sat, Aug 7, 2010 11:17 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park


Does any one know what the entry count is?
 ----- Original Message -----
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 Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 7:48 AM
 Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park

 We just contacted Woodman Tire to order some Hoosier Speedsters to pick up
 at the Kastner Cup at Heartland Park and Woodman said they will not be
here
 due to lack of orders and low number of entrants.

  Tim
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Aug  7 13:25:46 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 14:25:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
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Gary and Bill have put an awful lot of work into this event and landed a 
pretty nice sponsor in O'Reilly's. The first event of any kind is always a 
crap shoot, but like Joe says, the Triumph guys have it made. When I started 
racing back in 1996 CVAR had an August date at Texas World Speedway. Boy was 
it hot in the sun, but we all made sure we had shadein the paddock. The 
drivers had the coolest time, crusing around at speed. If it is the heat in 
Topeka that is keeping you away don't let it. Just remember to come late to 
the grid (he-he) or bring an umbrella, drink lot's of Ozarka and drive fast. 
You'll be fine. It's not too late to make the decision to come. I hope 
everyone that can cake it comes.

You know, with the new F-1 track being built here in Austin, an FOT event at 
that world-class facility is an opportunity for the future. I think the 
track owners will want well run  vintage festival on their calendar. Maybe 
this could be in HVR's future as CVAR doesn't do spectator events.

Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

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Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park


> Bill, and FOT,
>
> We are still expecting 25, if not more, FOT.
>
> I cant speak to the general entries, as there may be a lot of last minute
> entries that I dont know about.
>
> We will have quite a large field when the Triumphs are combined in the 
> regular
> group and a very nice Kastner Cup field.
>
> We ARE the show at Topeka......no stock cars, plenty of track time, and 
> lot's
> of entertainment and hospitality.
>
> I am sure that the primary organizers are disappointed at the response of 
> this
> inaugural event, but the quality is sure to be there.
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Swope <bswope959 at msn.com>
> To: GSFuqua1 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net; brinke at cebridge.net; Tim Murphy
> <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
> Sent: Sat, Aug 7, 2010 11:17 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
>
>
> Does any one know what the entry count is?
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: GSFuqua1 at aol.com<mailto:GSFuqua1 at aol.com> ;
> ot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net> ;
> rinke at cebridge.net<mailto:brinke at cebridge.net>
> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 7:48 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
>
> We just contacted Woodman Tire to order some Hoosier Speedsters to pick up
> at the Kastner Cup at Heartland Park and Woodman said they will not be
> here
> due to lack of orders and low number of entrants.
>
>  Tim
>  1961 TR4 #317
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sat Aug  7 14:00:45 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 16:00:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net>
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	<4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
	<000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>
	<4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net>
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On 8/7/2010 11:11 AM, J.C. Hassall wrote:
> On 8/6/2010 8:00 AM, MadMarx wrote:
>    
>> What material is the gasket made from?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>      
> Chris, I don't have my build log handy and don't remember the material.
> The Cometic part number is H0793SP4043F.  Hoefentlich dass ist Hilfe.
>
> jim
>    
Chris, the material is 0.043" thick, a composite of metal (steel?) 
between two layers of some polymer.

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Aug  7 14:12:41 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 15:12:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
In-Reply-To: <7248A7089CA74DF38726FBD0151288CD@latitudefb1e41>
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	<SNT122-DS32B41D62E9219E2FB7680EC920@phx.gbl>
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Hmm.  I wonder when they were going to tell me about that?  I told 
them to reserve a set of 4 for mounting on Thursday.  That would have 
ruined my weekend to not get tires!

- Tony Drews


>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Tim Murphy<mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com>
>>To: GSFuqua1 at aol.com<mailto:GSFuqua1 at aol.com> ;
>>ot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net> ;
>>rinke at cebridge.net<mailto:brinke at cebridge.net>
>>Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 7:48 AM
>>Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
>>
>>We just contacted Woodman Tire to order some Hoosier Speedsters to pick up
>>at the Kastner Cup at Heartland Park and Woodman said they will not be
>>here
>>due to lack of orders and low number of entrants.
>>
>>  Tim
>>  1961 TR4 #317


From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Sat Aug  7 16:34:03 2010
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 18:34:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Riverside Races Footage - 1960s
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Message-ID: <F87EF98C1E4343C6B37293C0FDAE62E1@INSPIRON>

Arm restraints just went on next races check list. I know they need to 
shorter     rob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bobby Whitehead" <igofaster at att.net>
To: "FoT Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Riverside Races Footage - 1960s


> dang.. that one roll over is scary... That's why you roadster guys wear 
> arm
> restraints!  Bobby Whitehead GT6 Coupe'.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
> To: vintage.racer at comcast.net
> Cc: Friends of Triumph <FOT at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 12:27:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Riverside Races Footage - 1960s
>
> Great footage but what's up with the sleepy-time music?
>
> ~Steve
>
>
> On Aug 6, 2010, at 9:33 AM, vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote:
>
> Link to good film footage of racing at Riverside in the 1960's.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819aVZwnt3o
>
>
> Gary
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From susank at 141.com  Sat Aug  7 16:58:50 2010
From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 18:58:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Interesting tire development
Message-ID: <4C5DE52A.3080505@141.com>

Hey gang,

I just got the latest copy of Popular Mechanics and it had an 
interesting little article about a new tire--the Camber Tire from Optima 
Sports. It gives you negative camber all the time, but keeps the tread 
patch squarely on the road. The way they do this is to shorten the inner 
sidewall. The article says the company hopes to have production versions 
in a couple of years.

Interesting approach. I was mulling just the other day over how I didn't 
think there had been any real "revolutions" in the tire industry any 
time recently. Think this will be one?

Here's their website: http://www.cambertire.com/. It's not the best 
quality, but gives a little info. And the "Racer" tab is not clickable 
for me (and it's replaced by "Green" when you scroll down), so no info 
there.   :(

Just FYI!

Keep Triumphing,
Susan     :)

-- 
I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse.


From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat Aug  7 19:34:21 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 21:34:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Interesting tire development
In-Reply-To: <4C5DE52A.3080505@141.com>
References: <4C5DE52A.3080505@141.com>
Message-ID: <BAY157-ds9F3CBFAF8898341FCC2A7C3930@phx.gbl>

Nothing new really, the original BFG Comp TA R autocross tires did this in the
mid 80s.

Terry Stetler


From susank at 141.com  Sat Aug  7 20:41:42 2010
From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 22:41:42 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Interesting tire development
In-Reply-To: <BAY157-ds9F3CBFAF8898341FCC2A7C3930@phx.gbl>
References: <4C5DE52A.3080505@141.com>
	<BAY157-ds9F3CBFAF8898341FCC2A7C3930@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4C5E1966.6020708@141.com>



From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat Aug  7 21:18:55 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 23:18:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Interesting tire development
In-Reply-To: <4C5DE52A.3080505@141.com>
	<BAY157-ds9F3CBFAF8898341FCC2A7C3930@phx.gbl>
	<4C5E1966.6020708@141.com>
References: <4C5DE52A.3080505@141.com>
	<BAY157-ds9F3CBFAF8898341FCC2A7C3930@phx.gbl>
	<4C5E1966.6020708@141.com>
Message-ID: <BAY157-ds21A6868AEC8B92296FB5F3C3930@phx.gbl>

I have no real idea why this design seems to be a dead end.

It was the flavor of the week in it's day, but in autocross, last years big
thing is this years boat dock bumper.

Personally, and speaking only about vintage cars, I'd be happy if all the
sanctioning bodies made the hardest possible compound Dunlop the only legal
tire for all production cars.

No more silly modern tires masquerading as "vintage" rubber, way less wear and
tear on components that were never designed for the cornering loads that they
are seeing now, lower lap times and greater safety margins, and in the end a
savings for competitors.

But I realize this will never happen.

Terry Stetler


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Aug  7 21:29:18 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 22:29:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Message from Bill Rinke re: Heartland Park status report
Message-ID: <6210FA272EE94B15BE242EC3BB457141@latitudefb1e41>

From: Bill Rinke
To: Bob Kramer ; bswope959 at msn.com ; GSFuqua1 at aol.com ; fot at autox.team.net ;
timmurph at fastbytes.com ; n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park


Bob, we appreciate your kind words.  Yes, this has been a long hard job and we
are now trying to develop a few alternatives that will hopefully prevent us
from going in the hole.  Disappointed?  Very.  We spoke with many drivers in
RMVR, CVAR, VSCDA, SVRA and other VMC organizations prior to initiating this
event and they all said they would support us.  VSCDA Formula Vee drivers said
they would bring 30 Vees to our event.  We attended VMC meetings and those
present said they would support us.  Well, so much for promises.

My emails to FoT don't go through as I am not a member so hope you will
forward this to them.

We really do thank the FoT for the strong support and their turn out at this
event will be remembered for a long time as one of the best Kastner Cup Races
they have driven in.  The bands and the fly over are still on.  The
Cheerleaders car wash is still on.  The pro music group from Houston will be
there and having fun for 4 days will be real easy to do.  Heck, the
temperature throughout the Midwest has been well into the 90's for the past
few weeks so we should all be used to it by now.

Check out our website at www.heartlandvintageracing.com and click on the
Racing button.  There you will now find the current Entry list which does not
include 8 entries that we received today.  Two of those entries were for the
Exhibition Group and none of those were for Triumphs.

I will be speaking with Evan at Bob Woodman Tire Co. on Monday.  During my
last conversation with him he advised he "only" had 8 sets of tires on order
which made it difficult for him to justify bringing a tire truck from Beufort,
SC to Topeka, KS.  I will establish a different tire supplier for our event.
In the meantime, Hoosier tires or other brands may be shipped to Charlie Clark
(shown on the Tire Supplier list under the Racing button) and he can mount
those tires at the track.  Charlie is the Goodyear Tire person and can not
sell brands other than Goodyear but he can service all brands.  Charlie will
have the Goodyear Tire Building open during our event.

Thanks so much for your support.  Yes, this will be a Great Vintage Racing
Extravaganza.

Bill


From billb at bnj.com  Sat Aug  7 23:04:32 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 22:04:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Interesting tire development
In-Reply-To: <BAY157-ds21A6868AEC8B92296FB5F3C3930@phx.gbl>
References: <4C5DE52A.3080505@141.com>
	<BAY157-ds9F3CBFAF8898341FCC2A7C3930@phx.gbl>
	<4C5E1966.6020708@141.com>
	<BAY157-ds21A6868AEC8B92296FB5F3C3930@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4A93DE84-E532-4D0F-8F50-57F7C05C55B5@bnj.com>

General Racing has done it for years, HMSA too, though they seem less
committed to it. I have a set of Dunlops on mags that we really wouldn't trust
with stickier rubber. They look great. Tony made me buy a new set this year,
though I still think my ten year old set is still fine--they will never wear
out. Like racing on skateboard wheels. I don't like them, and I've had my
worst accidents on Dunlops ( not including getting hit by that Corvette at
Watkins).

On Aug 7, 2010, at 8:18 PM, Terry Stetler wrote:

> I have no real idea why this design seems to be a dead end.
>
> It was the flavor of the week in it's day, but in autocross, last years big
> thing is this years boat dock bumper.
>
> Personally, and speaking only about vintage cars, I'd be happy if all the
> sanctioning bodies made the hardest possible compound Dunlop the only legal
> tire for all production cars.
>
> No more silly modern tires masquerading as "vintage" rubber, way less wear
and
> tear on components that were never designed for the cornering loads that
they
> are seeing now, lower lap times and greater safety margins, and in the end
a
> savings for competitors.
>
> But I realize this will never happen.
>
> Terry Stetler
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Aug  8 03:32:59 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 11:32:59 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <4C5DBB6D.20807@blacksburg.net>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
	<4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
	<000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>
	<4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net> <4C5DBB6D.20807@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <000c01cb36dc$b3862890$1a9279b0$@com>

Thank you Jim for the information.

Quite thick as this thick gasket would need some further grinding of the
head to achieve the compression ratio.

 

Seems that I have to stay with the normal steel head gaskets.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

Von: J.C. Hassall [mailto:jhassall at blacksburg.net] 
Gesendet: Samstag, 7. August 2010 22:01
An: MadMarx
Cc: 'Joe Boruch'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket

 

On 8/7/2010 11:11 AM, J.C. Hassall wrote: 

On 8/6/2010 8:00 AM, MadMarx wrote:
  

What material is the gasket made from?
 
Chris
 
   
    

Chris, I don't have my build log handy and don't remember the material.  
The Cometic part number is H0793SP4043F.  Hoefentlich dass ist Hilfe.
 
jim
  

Chris, the material is 0.043" thick, a composite of metal (steel?) between
two layers of some polymer.

jim



-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Aug  8 22:10:07 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 22:10:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 stepped Weber manifolds
Message-ID: <4C5F7F9F.5030700@bradakis.com>

While digging through the mess in the garage I found a box with
some chunks of aluminum in it.  These chunks are fashioned to be
Weber carb intake manifolds for the Triumph GT6.  This set is
the TriumphTune ( SAH ) 1101 style, where the front manifold
puts the carb below the bonnet, no bulge necessary.  Of course,
getting everything lined up and working perfectly with such
limited clearance is still an issue.

This is sort of an early notice.  I was going to take some pictures
but the camera batteries are dead and I can't find the AC adapter
for it.  I'll either find it or get some batteries in the next day or
two, as well as come up with a fair price for the manifold set.
Just the three pieces, no fittings, linkage, gaskets or any such,
a bare bones offering.

Of course, if you wish to purchase the manifolds and have the
Fat Chance Garage install them for you, I'm sure we can work
something out.  I'm sure I could come up with three matching
40 DCOEs.

So if you have a GT6 and have been thinking about triple Webers,
now is a good time to think about it some more.

Gee, two weeks now to Topeka.

mjb.


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Mon Aug  9 07:07:31 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 09:07:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Interesting tire development
In-Reply-To: <4C5DE52A.3080505@141.com>
References: <4C5DE52A.3080505@141.com>
Message-ID: <99296B7A-FAE8-4EBB-8907-86F7F53C104F@comcast.net>

For us racers, I don't get it.  I thought the benefit of negative  
camber was to end up with a "square" tread against the road when the  
car leans in the turns.  If, with these tires, the tread is square  
going straight, the inside edge of the outside tire is going to be  
lifted on a turn.

Sounds like the thrust of their benefit is fuel savings, offsetting  
the scrubbing effect of toe-in.  Am I missing something?

On Aug 7, 2010, at 6:58 PM, Susan Kahler wrote:

Hey gang,

I just got the latest copy of Popular Mechanics and it had an  
interesting little article about a new tire--the Camber Tire from  
Optima Sports. It gives you negative camber all the time, but keeps  
the tread patch squarely on the road. The way they do this is to  
shorten the inner sidewall. The article says the company hopes to have  
production versions in a couple of years.

Interesting approach. I was mulling just the other day over how I  
didn't think there had been any real "revolutions" in the tire  
industry any time recently. Think this will be one?

Here's their website: http://www.cambertire.com/. It's not the best  
quality, but gives a little info. And the "Racer" tab is not clickable  
for me (and it's replaced by "Green" when you scroll down), so no info  
there.   :(

Just FYI!

Keep Triumphing,
Susan     :)

-- 
I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse.
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From jason at multivintage.com  Mon Aug  9 09:26:48 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:26:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <BAY138-W19180B570EF497E2C8C423C1920@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY138-W19180B570EF497E2C8C423C1920@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimX1CzRnaAe0sqQAXiEXXhh9HLy2CPrYH94_+Hc@mail.gmail.com>

I am having the same problem on my gt6. Mine may be just old and in need of
replacement. In my last weekend out I was loosing about a half quart per
session. My question about this is do I have to pull the whole motor or can
the seal be replaced by just removing the trans and doing it from the
inside? Will I do damage to things like the clutch If I try to race again
before doing so?

thanks for any advice for doing this job right and still racing soon.
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:04 PM, f s <whitedog72 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Need some advice,
>
>  I just put an engine together. 100% new seals and gaskets. Everything is
> great accept the rear main seal is leaking alot. I have put alot of these
> together and never had this problem before. I have taken it back apart and
> it
> looks centered and no damage. I also made sure the all the bolts were good
> and
> that areas that needed copper flat washers were correct. Any ideas from the
> group? I am baffled and have a big mess. ;o(
>
> Thanks
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Aug  9 09:49:38 2010
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 11:49:38 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
Message-ID: <1a5b2.3d06254a.39917d92@aol.com>

Hey guys,
 
A few years ago I got sick of the stock seals and upgraded to a National #  
417344 seal.  Readily available for about 8 bucks.
 
The rear seal plate has to be bored to 2.875 to use this seal.
 
I've been kicking around making a jig to bore these quickly after the  
initial setup.  Would anyone be interested in such a thing.  Probably  in the 
range of twenty to thirty Dollars exchange for the upgrade?
 
 
 
_http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/Rearsealplate007.jpg_ 
(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/Rearsealplate007.jpg) 
 
 
[IMG]http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/Rearsealplate007.jpg[/
IMG]


From REK46 at aol.com  Mon Aug  9 09:50:50 2010
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 11:50:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
Message-ID: <4a7ea.12e0ceeb.39917dda@aol.com>

Have you considered using a 'Speedi Sleeve' on the crank hub?....works  
great in making the seal tighter ...some seals flex or curl  a bit and the  
'centering of the seal is critical to the fit(not the rear plate fit....most  
manuals show the checking for the fit around the crank ,with feelers.....the  
SpeediSleeve will make it less prone to warpage or mis-alignment.
 
 
In a message dated 8/9/2010 11:41:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jason at multivintage.com writes:

I am  having the same problem on my gt6. Mine may be just old and in need  
of
replacement. In my last weekend out I was loosing about a half quart  per
session. My question about this is do I have to pull the whole motor or  can
the seal be replaced by just removing the trans and doing it from  the
inside? Will I do damage to things like the clutch If I try to race  again
before doing so?

thanks for any advice for doing this job  right and still racing soon.
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing  GT6+

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:04 PM, f s  <whitedog72 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Need some  advice,
>
>  I just put an engine together. 100% new seals  and gaskets. Everything is
> great accept the rear main seal is leaking  alot. I have put alot of these
> together and never had this problem  before. I have taken it back apart 
and
> it
> looks centered and  no damage. I also made sure the all the bolts were 
good
> and
>  that areas that needed copper flat washers were correct. Any ideas from  
the
> group? I am baffled and have a big mess. ;o(
>
>  Thanks
> _______________________________________________
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Mon Aug  9 10:04:36 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 12:04:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire, GT6
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimX1CzRnaAe0sqQAXiEXXhh9HLy2CPrYH94_+Hc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY138-W19180B570EF497E2C8C423C1920@phx.gbl>
	<AANLkTimX1CzRnaAe0sqQAXiEXXhh9HLy2CPrYH94_+Hc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A7EFB65A-0C5F-4361-BBA9-978A7CEF9EF9@comcast.net>

I've never tried to replace one on my GT6 with the engine in the car,  
but question whether you can get it properly centered from this angle  
(unless you have the centering tool, which i don't), and with the oil  
pan in place.  Removal and re-installation will disrupt the pan gasket  
as well, and I've found the pan/gasket to be a big source of oil leaks  
unless my prep was careful and the pan flange straight - lots of  
Permatex RTV seems to help.

Let me know if it can be done!  Wondering if you can properly support  
the engine and run it without refitting the trans, after a new seal is  
installed, to see if it's sealing?  If it's the pan gasket, it won't  
leak much except when cornering so this test wouldn't work.

Oil should not damage the clutch, as the oil should be on the front  
side of the flywheel away from the clutch, unless there is just that  
much oil circulating in the bell housing.

On Aug 9, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:

I am having the same problem on my gt6. Mine may be just old and in  
need of
replacement. In my last weekend out I was loosing about a half quart per
session. My question about this is do I have to pull the whole motor  
or can
the seal be replaced by just removing the trans and doing it from the
inside? Will I do damage to things like the clutch If I try to race  
again
before doing so?

thanks for any advice for doing this job right and still racing soon.
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:04 PM, f s <whitedog72 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Need some advice,
>
> I just put an engine together. 100% new seals and gaskets.  
> Everything is
> great accept the rear main seal is leaking alot. I have put alot of  
> these
> together and never had this problem before. I have taken it back  
> apart and
> it
> looks centered and no damage. I also made sure the all the bolts  
> were good
> and
> that areas that needed copper flat washers were correct. Any ideas  
> from the
> group? I am baffled and have a big mess. ;o(
>
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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From jerrybarr at charter.net  Mon Aug  9 10:10:03 2010
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 11:10:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimX1CzRnaAe0sqQAXiEXXhh9HLy2CPrYH94_+Hc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY138-W19180B570EF497E2C8C423C1920@phx.gbl>
	<AANLkTimX1CzRnaAe0sqQAXiEXXhh9HLy2CPrYH94_+Hc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DE981956-596B-4429-AA33-1629E5269082@charter.net>

The leak sounds like a Snidely Whiplash sort of way to win races. Keep  
it up. With your oil leak and all the smoke I was creating when the  
Spitfire blew up we could have won for sure.
On Aug 9, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:

> I am having the same problem on my gt6. Mine may be just old and in  
> need of
> replacement. In my last weekend out I was loosing about a half quart  
> per
> session. My question about this is do I have to pull the whole motor  
> or can
> the seal be replaced by just removing the trans and doing it from the
> inside? Will I do damage to things like the clutch If I try to race  
> again
> before doing so?
>
> thanks for any advice for doing this job right and still racing soon.
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:04 PM, f s <whitedog72 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Need some advice,
>>
>> I just put an engine together. 100% new seals and gaskets.  
>> Everything is
>> great accept the rear main seal is leaking alot. I have put alot of  
>> these
>> together and never had this problem before. I have taken it back  
>> apart and
>> it
>> looks centered and no damage. I also made sure the all the bolts  
>> were good
>> and
>> that areas that needed copper flat washers were correct. Any ideas  
>> from the
>> group? I am baffled and have a big mess. ;o(
>>
>> Thanks
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From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Aug  9 12:58:59 2010
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 13:58:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1281376802.27740.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.3.1281376802.27740.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000301cb37f4$ed3c6fe0$c7b54fa0$@aero>

It can be done without removing the engine from the car but unless you have
the car on a hoist, it may be more difficult in the long run.
As noted; both the rear engine plate and the oil pan will have to be removed
in order to access the alloy sealing plate that holds the seal and that is
after the clutch and flywheel are off as well.
I would not want to do that while on a floor creeper. I may be easier to
just pull the engine and put it on a bench/stand.


Robert MacKenzie
NASS # 511
Austin Texas
'79 1500 (street)
'62 Spitfire 4 (race)
president at hillcountrytriumphclub.org


From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Aug  9 13:41:05 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 14:41:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] nomination
Message-ID: <001f01cb37fa$cf0fc520$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

The recent Riverside Raceway thread shook up a long dormnant synapse.

Last year, I visited the Riverside Raceway Museum in Riverside and there met
a man I'd like to nominate.


Patrick Flynn.  He works at the museum - much of his time spent with the
photo archives- and was a long time employee at the track.
Also, he raced TR3's and 4's during the sixties.   Also a Morgan.
I think his historical knowledge would be a great asset to our group.

his e-mail    pflynn001 at earthlink.net

art de armond


From kaskas at cox.net  Mon Aug  9 14:28:23 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 13:28:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] nomination
In-Reply-To: <001f01cb37fa$cf0fc520$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <20100809162823.758LL.82519.imail@fed1rmwml29>

I'll second the nomination of Pat Flynn.


---- riverside <riverside at southslope.net> wrote: 

=============
The recent Riverside Raceway thread shook up a long dormnant synapse.

Last year, I visited the Riverside Raceway Museum in Riverside and there met
a man I'd like to nominate.


Patrick Flynn.  He works at the museum - much of his time spent with the
photo archives- and was a long time employee at the track.
Also, he raced TR3's and 4's during the sixties.   Also a Morgan.
I think his historical knowledge would be a great asset to our group.

his e-mail    pflynn001 at earthlink.net

art de armond
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Mon Aug  9 14:39:25 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:39:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] nomination
In-Reply-To: <001f01cb37fa$cf0fc520$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <704577.10872.qm@smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I'll second, we all need a brain trust...

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of riverside
Sent: August 9, 2010 3:41 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] nomination

The recent Riverside Raceway thread shook up a long dormnant synapse.

Last year, I visited the Riverside Raceway Museum in Riverside and there met
a man I'd like to nominate.


Patrick Flynn.  He works at the museum - much of his time spent with the
photo archives- and was a long time employee at the track.
Also, he raced TR3's and 4's during the sixties.   Also a Morgan.
I think his historical knowledge would be a great asset to our group.

his e-mail    pflynn001 at earthlink.net

art de armond
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Mon Aug  9 16:08:03 2010
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:08:03 +1000
Subject: [Fot] IRS TR rear hubs & axles
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=C9Ram_Hqq8UnDaznKUYX5mVVZ=e3K2TD8WO64@mail.gmail.com>

i have finally broken the last of my factory rear hubs at a race meeting, so
now is time for change.I got almost 7 years of racing on the last of the
ones I built with brand new parts, so I'm not complaining

I have looked at some Nissan S13 Sylvia ones and these appeal as they have a
CV jointed axle (which I would have to shorten) and appear relatively easy
to adapt into the IRS trailing arm.  Big bonus is the identical stud
pattern. I have seen the older Nissan 260Z and 510 sedan ones fitted, but
they use the very heavy rolling ball axle, which is now technically
out-dated.

what are other racers in the USA currently using??

thanks

 Terry O'Beirne
Australia


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Aug  9 17:25:04 2010
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 19:25:04 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Better rear seal
Message-ID: <3660b.463c3d43.3991e850@aol.com>

After this mornings discussion I got playing around and made a jig for  
converting our rear seals to a better and cheaper seal.  I was able to  convert 
four of them, all I had, available for thirty Dollars exchange with the  
ten Dollar seal installed.
 
Obviously not going to fund my retirement but if I can get enough of the  
rear plates to do in one go it could be worth it for the beer money.
 
Oddly, I'd have thought I could find dozens of those plates around but four 
 was all I could come up with....
 
_http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/Rearseal017.jpg_ 
(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/Rearseal017.jpg) 
 
_http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/Rearsealplate007.jpg_ 
(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/Rearsealplate007.jpg) 


From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  9 17:27:27 2010
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:27:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] IRS TR rear hubs & axles
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=C9Ram_Hqq8UnDaznKUYX5mVVZ=e3K2TD8WO64@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=C9Ram_Hqq8UnDaznKUYX5mVVZ=e3K2TD8WO64@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <637568.36602.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I have been running the Corvair conversion for a long time. However, I think 
Richard Good has the best modern setup.  www.goodparts.com 


Mike





________________________________
From: Enquiries Road & Track <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, August 9, 2010 4:08:03 PM
Subject: [Fot] IRS TR rear hubs & axles

i have finally broken the last of my factory rear hubs at a race meeting, so
now is time for change.I got almost 7 years of racing on the last of the
ones I built with brand new parts, so I'm not complaining

I have looked at some Nissan S13 Sylvia ones and these appeal as they have a
CV jointed axle (which I would have to shorten) and appear relatively easy
to adapt into the IRS trailing arm.  Big bonus is the identical stud
pattern. I have seen the older Nissan 260Z and 510 sedan ones fitted, but
they use the very heavy rolling ball axle, which is now technically
out-dated.

what are other racers in the USA currently using??

thanks

Terry O'Beirne
Australia
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Aug  9 17:37:24 2010
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 19:37:24 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
Message-ID: <37085.61f83794.3991eb34@aol.com>

Well it's gonna still be the same threads.  If you get ham handed then  
it's helicoil time.  A most imperfect solution in my opinion.
 
I stud mine to postpone that aggravation but it only buys time.  They  are 
made of alloy colored cheese after all.
 
I suppose a CAD-CAM shop could reproduce the whole thing for us at a  
reasonable price but why would they bother for such a small  market?


From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon Aug  9 17:40:27 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 18:40:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <4C606A0A.90106@pobox.com>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
	<4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
	<000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>
	<4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net> <4C5DBB6D.20807@blacksburg.net>
	<000c01cb36dc$b3862890$1a9279b0$@com> <4C606A0A.90106@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <4C6091EB.6070100@pobox.com>

This issue of head gasket thickness has puzzled me for some time.  I 
understand why this was such a big issue in the old days, because people 
used off the shelf pistons.  However, now if you're racing a TR3 or TR4 
and want 87mm forged pistons you probably have to order them custom made 
from someplace like Wiseco.  Why not order them with a greater 
compression height to make up for the thicker head gasket?  I believe 
2.00 inches puts the top of the piston at the top of the liner.  If 
you're head gasket is 0.045, you could order a 2.10 compression height 
for an 0.035 clearance.  This is pushing the limit, so you'd have to be 
sure you've got all the correct dimensions.  Am I missing something?
Larry Young
> MadMarx wrote:
>> Thank you Jim for the information.
>>
>> Quite thick as this thick gasket would need some further grinding of the
>> head to achieve the compression ratio.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Seems that I have to stay with the normal steel head gaskets.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Chris


From rodkent at cox.net  Mon Aug  9 17:50:26 2010
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 19:50:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] IRS TR rear hubs & axles
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=C9Ram_Hqq8UnDaznKUYX5mVVZ=e3K2TD8WO64@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100809195026.YTOZ7.377148.imail@fed1rmwml44>

Hi, we use a 280z rear outer axle and adapt to vw bus cv joints at hub and diff, using short off road type axles. Bulletproof
---- Enquiries Road & Track <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au> wrote: 
i have finally broken the last of my factory rear hubs at a race meeting, so
now is time for change.I got almost 7 years of racing on the last of the
ones I built with brand new parts, so I'm not complaining

I have looked at some Nissan S13 Sylvia ones and these appeal as they have a
CV jointed axle (which I would have to shorten) and appear relatively easy
to adapt into the IRS trailing arm.  Big bonus is the identical stud
pattern. I have seen the older Nissan 260Z and 510 sedan ones fitted, but
they use the very heavy rolling ball axle, which is now technically
out-dated.

what are other racers in the USA currently using??

thanks

 Terry O'Beirne
Australia
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Mon Aug  9 18:40:56 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 00:40:56 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
Message-ID: <20100809.204056.11582.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com>

My thoughts exactly.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 18:40:27 -0500

This issue of head gasket thickness has puzzled me for some time.  I
understand why this was such a big issue in the old days, because people
used off the shelf pistons.  However, now if you're racing a TR3 or TR4
and want 87mm forged pistons you probably have to order them custom made
from someplace like Wiseco.  Why not order them with a greater
compression height to make up for the thicker head gasket?  I believe
2.00 inches puts the top of the piston at the top of the liner.  If
you're head gasket is 0.045, you could order a 2.10 compression height
for an 0.035 clearance.  This is pushing the limit, so you'd have to be
sure you've got all the correct dimensions.  Am I missing something?
Larry Young

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From atr6racer at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  9 19:05:02 2010
From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 21:05:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] IRS TR rear hubs & axles
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=C9Ram_Hqq8UnDaznKUYX5mVVZ=e3K2TD8WO64@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=C9Ram_Hqq8UnDaznKUYX5mVVZ=e3K2TD8WO64@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT136-w137712DB9C1DAF464337E9F9950@phx.gbl>

Two words.

Richard Good

http://www.goodparts.com/shop/index.php?categoryID=20


Call Richard at Good parts and his axle/CV joint unit will be the end to your
problems. High quality, great performance. I used them for the last two years
on all of my TR6 race cars.

Sam Halkias

> From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au
> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:08:03 +1000
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] IRS TR rear hubs & axles
>
> i have finally broken the last of my factory rear hubs at a race meeting,
so
> now is time for change.I got almost 7 years of racing on the last of the
> ones I built with brand new parts, so I'm not complaining
>
> I have looked at some Nissan S13 Sylvia ones and these appeal as they have
a
> CV jointed axle (which I would have to shorten) and appear relatively easy
> to adapt into the IRS trailing arm. Big bonus is the identical stud
> pattern. I have seen the older Nissan 260Z and 510 sedan ones fitted, but
> they use the very heavy rolling ball axle, which is now technically
> out-dated.
>
> what are other racers in the USA currently using??
>
> thanks
>
> Terry O'Beirne
> Australia
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Aug  9 19:17:38 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 18:17:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <4C6091EB.6070100@pobox.com>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
	<4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
	<000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>
	<4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net> <4C5DBB6D.20807@blacksburg.net>
	<000c01cb36dc$b3862890$1a9279b0$@com> <4C606A0A.90106@pobox.com>
	<4C6091EB.6070100@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <33E20667-2569-4A13-B995-4396C2CD7C00@earthlink.net>

Sure custom pistons can be ordered to whatever specs you want, but if  
you want to run what you've got, perhaps this HG is a little too thick  
to get the desired CR.

~Steve


On Aug 9, 2010, at 4:40 PM, Larry Young wrote:

This issue of head gasket thickness has puzzled me for some time.  I  
understand why this was such a big issue in the old days, because  
people used off the shelf pistons.  However, now if you're racing a  
TR3 or TR4 and want 87mm forged pistons you probably have to order  
them custom made from someplace like Wiseco.  Why not order them with  
a greater compression height to make up for the thicker head gasket?   
I believe 2.00 inches puts the top of the piston at the top of the  
liner.  If you're head gasket is 0.045, you could order a 2.10  
compression height for an 0.035 clearance.  This is pushing the limit,  
so you'd have to be sure you've got all the correct dimensions.  Am I  
missing something?
Larry Young
> MadMarx wrote:
>> Thank you Jim for the information.
>>
>> Quite thick as this thick gasket would need some further grinding  
>> of the
>> head to achieve the compression ratio.
>>
>>
>> Seems that I have to stay with the normal steel head gaskets.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Chris
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Mon Aug  9 19:42:31 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 21:42:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] IRS TR rear hubs & axles
References: <AANLkTi=C9Ram_Hqq8UnDaznKUYX5mVVZ=e3K2TD8WO64@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <017401cb382d$4eb6fcd0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

Two words: Richard Good.
His hubs are bomb proof and not that expensive. You don't necessarily need
the CV joints but they are nice. There are also uprated half shafts out
there with heavier u-joints.
Heavier u-joints are offered by both Richard Good and Ted Schumacher. Worth
the money.
I took everyone's advice and got Richard's  rear hubs and my confidence
level rose greatly. Same with Uncle Jack's front spindles. Worthy
investment.
No financial interest, other than helping out FOT members, both buying and
selling.
Good luck.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Enquiries Road & Track" <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 6:08 PM
Subject: [Fot] IRS TR rear hubs & axles


> i have finally broken the last of my factory rear hubs at a race meeting,
so
> now is time for change.I got almost 7 years of racing on the last of the
> ones I built with brand new parts, so I'm not complaining
>
> I have looked at some Nissan S13 Sylvia ones and these appeal as they have
a
> CV jointed axle (which I would have to shorten) and appear relatively easy
> to adapt into the IRS trailing arm.  Big bonus is the identical stud
> pattern. I have seen the older Nissan 260Z and 510 sedan ones fitted, but
> they use the very heavy rolling ball axle, which is now technically
> out-dated.
>
> what are other racers in the USA currently using??
>
> thanks
>
>  Terry O'Beirne
> Australia
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>
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From brinke at cebridge.net  Sat Aug  7 19:31:06 2010
From: brinke at cebridge.net (Bill Rinke)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 20:31:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
References: <000001cb3637$435fe3d0$ca1fab70$@com><SNT122-DS32B41D62E9219E2FB7680EC920@phx.gbl>
	<8CD046C6A7DEA5A-1304-13B3E@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com>
	<7248A7089CA74DF38726FBD0151288CD@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <CF84AB4A6E904BEC9E8996D288FF077D@main>

Bob, we appreciate your kind words.  Yes, this has been a long hard job and we
are now trying to develop a few alternatives that will hopefully prevent us
from going in the hole.  Disappointed?  Very.  We spoke with many drivers in
RMVR, CVAR, VSCDA, SVRA and other VMC organizations prior to initiating this
event and they all said they would support us.  VSCDA Formula Vee drivers said
they would bring 30 Vees to our event.  We attended VMC meetings and those
present said they would support us.  Well, so much for promises.

My emails to FoT don't go through as I am not a member so hope you will
forward this to them.

We really do thank the FoT for the strong support and their turn out at this
event will be remembered for a long time as one of the best Kastner Cup Races
they have driven in.  The bands and the fly over are still on.  The
Cheerleaders car wash is still on.  The pro music group from Houston will be
there and having fun for 4 days will be real easy to do.  Heck, the
temperature throughout the Midwest has been well into the 90's for the past
few weeks so we should all be used to it by now.

Check out our website at www.heartlandvintageracing.com and click on the
Racing button.  There you will now find the current Entry list which does not
include 8 entries that we received today.  Two of those entries were for the
Exhibition Group and none of those were for Triumphs.

I will be speaking with Evan at Bob Woodman Tire Co. on Monday.  During my
last conversation with him he advised he "only" had 8 sets of tires on order
which made it difficult for him to justify bringing a tire truck from Beufort,
SC to Topeka, KS.  I will establish a different tire supplier for our event.
In the meantime, Hoosier tires or other brands may be shipped to Charlie Clark
(shown on the Tire Supplier list under the Racing button) and he can mount
those tires at the track.  Charlie is the Goodyear Tire person and can not
sell brands other than Goodyear but he can service all brands.  Charlie will
have the Goodyear Tire Building open during our event.

Thanks so much for your support.  Yes, this will be a Great Vintage Racing
Extravaganza.

Bill



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bob Kramer
  To: bswope959 at msn.com ; GSFuqua1 at aol.com ; fot at autox.team.net ;
brinke at cebridge.net ; timmurph at fastbytes.com ; n197tr4 at cs.com
  Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 2:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park


  Gary and Bill have put an awful lot of work into this event and landed a
  pretty nice sponsor in O'Reilly's. The first event of any kind is always a
  crap shoot, but like Joe says, the Triumph guys have it made. When I started
  racing back in 1996 CVAR had an August date at Texas World Speedway. Boy was
  it hot in the sun, but we all made sure we had shadein the paddock. The
  drivers had the coolest time, crusing around at speed. If it is the heat in
  Topeka that is keeping you away don't let it. Just remember to come late to
  the grid (he-he) or bring an umbrella, drink lot's of Ozarka and drive fast.
  You'll be fine. It's not too late to make the decision to come. I hope
  everyone that can cake it comes.

  You know, with the new F-1 track being built here in Austin, an FOT event at
  that world-class facility is an opportunity for the future. I think the
  track owners will want well run  vintage festival on their calendar. Maybe
  this could be in HVR's future as CVAR doesn't do spectator events.

  Bob Kramer
  Volente, TX


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Aug 10 00:55:51 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:55:51 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <4C6091EB.6070100@pobox.com>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
	<4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
	<000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>
	<4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net> <4C5DBB6D.20807@blacksburg.net>
	<000c01cb36dc$b3862890$1a9279b0$@com> <4C606A0A.90106@pobox.com>
	<4C6091EB.6070100@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <000601cb3859$131bb9a0$39532ce0$@com>

Hi Larry,

you are right you could order custom pistons for this gasket. But my engine
is done so far and also the custom pistons.

Is the thickness of the gasket in "new" condition or "compressed" condition?
Maybe this information will tell us more?

I use the available steel gaskets but they doesnt fit very well and I have
to grind out at some spots on the gasket.
So I'm looking for better fitting stuff.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Larry Young
Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. August 2010 01:40
An: FOT
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket

This issue of head gasket thickness has puzzled me for some time.  I
understand why this was such a big issue in the old days, because people
used off the shelf pistons.  However, now if you're racing a TR3 or TR4
and want 87mm forged pistons you probably have to order them custom made
from someplace like Wiseco.  Why not order them with a greater
compression height to make up for the thicker head gasket?  I believe
2.00 inches puts the top of the piston at the top of the liner.  If
you're head gasket is 0.045, you could order a 2.10 compression height
for an 0.035 clearance.  This is pushing the limit, so you'd have to be
sure you've got all the correct dimensions.  Am I missing something?
Larry Young
> MadMarx wrote:
>> Thank you Jim for the information.
>>
>> Quite thick as this thick gasket would need some further grinding of the
>> head to achieve the compression ratio.
>>
>>
>>
>> Seems that I have to stay with the normal steel head gaskets.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Chris
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 10 13:57:10 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:57:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
Message-ID: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>

I am about to install.

What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
transponder?

Any caveats?

Orientation?

Thanks!

Joe


From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Aug 10 14:19:55 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:19:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <653C52B6273C4D8EA581B1D5DAC7BD34@Bud>

always go as far forward as possible
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Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:57 PM
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions


>I am about to install.
>
> What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
> transponder?
>
> Any caveats?
>
> Orientation?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Aug 10 14:34:10 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:34:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
In-Reply-To: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1699760142.912483.1281472449996.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I mounted mine in the engine bay, right side, behind the valance for 

a clean view of the ground and accesible from the top. 

I had one mounted closer to the top of the radiator but the signal was 

sketchy at times. 



jim g 




----- Original Message ----- 
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To: fot at autox.team.net 
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:57:10 PM 
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions 

I am about to install. 

What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the 
transponder? 

Any caveats? 

Orientation? 

Thanks! 

Joe 
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 10 15:18:20 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:18:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
In-Reply-To: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <67E902AE-49D7-4CFC-815F-167B1A768DD0@earthlink.net>

Mount it onto a retractable rod that can shoot forward at the start/ 
finish line if necessary. :)

~Steve


On Aug 10, 2010, at 12:57 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:

I am about to install.

What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
transponder?

Any caveats?

Orientation?

Thanks!

Joe
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Aug 10 15:42:01 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:42:01 +0200
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
In-Reply-To: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <001c01cb38d4$df7ec340$9e7c49c0$@com>

I have one at the front behind the grill.
And a second one that I throw over the finish line if needed to get ahead of
someone. :-)

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von n197tr4 at cs.com
Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. August 2010 21:57
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions

I am about to install.

What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
transponder?

Any caveats?

Orientation?

Thanks!

Joe
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From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Aug 10 15:55:27 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:55:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
	<67E902AE-49D7-4CFC-815F-167B1A768DD0@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <FA234DC89BB4481A8F58F2FA0222040E@Bud>

Good Idea Steve...that prompted a plan....Since it's not hard wired...put a 
magnet on it, and casually walk through the pits and stick it on any car 
that you think will be a runaway winner..
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions


> Mount it onto a retractable rod that can shoot forward at the start/ 
> finish line if necessary. :)
>
> ~Steve
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2010, at 12:57 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
>
> I am about to install.
>
> What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
> transponder?
>
> Any caveats?
>
> Orientation?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 10 16:01:14 2010
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:01:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TRANSPONDER location
In-Reply-To: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <92649.1457.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Joe,
An important point is that the transponder needs to see the track not only 
straight down but also forward and back by at least a few inches. As you cross 
the line the transponder makes a number of hits: weaker as you approach/depart, 
strongest as you pass directly over. It triangulates on the signal strength 
coming and going to find the exact millisecond you are centered over the loop. 
Ideally there should be an uninterrupted cone of vision from the transponder 
bottom to the asphalt. AMB tells you the maximum height is 2 feet. But they do 
not tell you there is a also practical minimum height of around 9-12 inches: too 
small a cone of signal means too few hits to accurately position you. That means 
don't do the obvious and mount it on the frame. This generates a weak-signal 
warning to the T&S system and you will likely get a love note at pit in to 
change it. (Been there, done that.) Mid-height inside the wheel well is AMB's 
suggestion, but outside the front valance works great too and provides easier 
access for removal.

Hope this helps,
Gary Schneider






________________________________
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To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 2:57:10 PM
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions

I am about to install.

What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
transponder?

Any caveats?

Orientation?

Thanks!

Joe
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 10 16:34:44 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:34:44 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
Message-ID: <6a1a5.3e8fbc18.39932e04@cs.com>

It is good to see the FOT alive and well and playing well with each other 
on the list.

The responses actually helped me identify a premium location on the AMBRO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------
Looking forward to the FOT gathering next week. Kas leaves on Monday for 
Wednesday arrival with the Coveted Kastner Cup.  Many will be there by 
Wednesday night with everyone in place by Thursday.

The forecast is a 10-15 degree trend in declining temperatures. 
Probabilities would indicate this after a sustained heat wave. 

More later,  Joe





> Good Idea Steve...that prompted a plan....Since it's not hard wired...put 
> a 
> magnet on it, and casually walk through the pits and stick it on any car 
> that you think will be a runaway winner..
> RB
> 

</HTML>


From stutzmans at comcast.net  Tue Aug 10 17:11:25 2010
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:11:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <000601cb3859$131bb9a0$39532ce0$@com>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net><000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com><4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net>
	<4C5DBB6D.20807@blacksburg.net><000c01cb36dc$b3862890$1a9279b0$@com>
	<4C606A0A.90106@pobox.com><4C6091EB.6070100@pobox.com>
	<000601cb3859$131bb9a0$39532ce0$@com>
Message-ID: <B3EE405E211E44B2B588D1F485676D7E@ComputerPC>

Do any listers have actual experience using this head gasket?
Bruce
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: "'Larry Young'" <cartravel at pobox.com>; "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket


> Hi Larry,
>
> you are right you could order custom pistons for this gasket. But my 
> engine
> is done so far and also the custom pistons.
>
> Is the thickness of the gasket in "new" condition or "compressed" 
> condition?
> Maybe this information will tell us more?
>
> I use the available steel gaskets but they doesnt fit very well and I 
> have
> to grind out at some spots on the gasket.
> So I'm looking for better fitting stuff.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Larry Young
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. August 2010 01:40
> An: FOT
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
>
> This issue of head gasket thickness has puzzled me for some time.  I
> understand why this was such a big issue in the old days, because people
> used off the shelf pistons.  However, now if you're racing a TR3 or TR4
> and want 87mm forged pistons you probably have to order them custom made
> from someplace like Wiseco.  Why not order them with a greater
> compression height to make up for the thicker head gasket?  I believe
> 2.00 inches puts the top of the piston at the top of the liner.  If
> you're head gasket is 0.045, you could order a 2.10 compression height
> for an 0.035 clearance.  This is pushing the limit, so you'd have to be
> sure you've got all the correct dimensions.  Am I missing something?
> Larry Young
>> MadMarx wrote:
>>> Thank you Jim for the information.
>>>
>>> Quite thick as this thick gasket would need some further grinding of the
>>> head to achieve the compression ratio.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seems that I have to stay with the normal steel head gaskets.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Chris
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Tue Aug 10 17:55:23 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:55:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TRANSPONDER location - frame works ok
In-Reply-To: <92649.1457.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
	<92649.1457.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <EC0D7290-D06D-46DC-8685-2A764FAD0EF3@comcast.net>

I have mine mounted on the frame rail, center about 8" above grade,  
and had no troubles.

On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Gary Schneider wrote:

Joe,
An important point is that the transponder needs to see the track not  
only
straight down but also forward and back by at least a few inches. As  
you cross
the line the transponder makes a number of hits: weaker as you  
approach/depart,
strongest as you pass directly over. It triangulates on the signal  
strength
coming and going to find the exact millisecond you are centered over  
the loop.
Ideally there should be an uninterrupted cone of vision from the  
transponder
bottom to the asphalt. AMB tells you the maximum height is 2 feet. But  
they do
not tell you there is a also practical minimum height of around 9-12  
inches: too
small a cone of signal means too few hits to accurately position you.  
That means
don't do the obvious and mount it on the frame. This generates a weak- 
signal
warning to the T&S system and you will likely get a love note at pit  
in to
change it. (Been there, done that.) Mid-height inside the wheel well  
is AMB's
suggestion, but outside the front valance works great too and provides  
easier
access for removal.

Hope this helps,
Gary Schneider






________________________________
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To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 2:57:10 PM
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions

I am about to install.

What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
transponder?

Any caveats?

Orientation?

Thanks!

Joe
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From pcdelux at verizon.net  Tue Aug 10 17:58:56 2010
From: pcdelux at verizon.net (William Dewar)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:58:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
References: <6a1a5.3e8fbc18.39932e04@cs.com>
Message-ID: <005301cb38e8$1a9dd2f0$2101a8c0@userge6zixcg5r>

Joe,

 If you stick it on Peyote remember it's aluminum. Probably need Gorilla 
glue. Just make sure it is slightly forward of Peyote's real one.

Bill D
NJTA
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To: <budscars at comcast.net>; <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions


> It is good to see the FOT alive and well and playing well with each other
> on the list.
>
> The responses actually helped me identify a premium location on the AMBRO.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------
> Looking forward to the FOT gathering next week. Kas leaves on Monday for
> Wednesday arrival with the Coveted Kastner Cup.  Many will be there by
> Wednesday night with everyone in place by Thursday.
>
> The forecast is a 10-15 degree trend in declining temperatures.
> Probabilities would indicate this after a sustained heat wave.
>
> More later,  Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>> Good Idea Steve...that prompted a plan....Since it's not hard wired...put
>> a
>> magnet on it, and casually walk through the pits and stick it on any car
>> that you think will be a runaway winner..
>> RB
>>
>
> </HTML>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Aug 10 17:59:03 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:59:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
	<001c01cb38d4$df7ec340$9e7c49c0$@com>
Message-ID: <DEE803F61E074F89B7E5691D342EDD21@Bud>

maybe there is an advantage to the non-hard wired ones after all.
RB
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From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: <n197tr4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions


>I have one at the front behind the grill.
> And a second one that I throw over the finish line if needed to get ahead 
> of
> someone. :-)
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von n197tr4 at cs.com
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. August 2010 21:57
> An: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
>
> I am about to install.
>
> What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
> transponder?
>
> Any caveats?
>
> Orientation?
>
> Thanks!
>
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 10 18:29:06 2010
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:29:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TRANSPONDER location - frame works ok
In-Reply-To: <EC0D7290-D06D-46DC-8685-2A764FAD0EF3@comcast.net>
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
	<92649.1457.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<EC0D7290-D06D-46DC-8685-2A764FAD0EF3@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <542905.93558.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Scott,
Sounds like 8" is still in the workable range then. We had trouble in the 4-6" 
area on two different cars. If there's ever any question, your T&S folks can 
tell you how many hits they get from each transponder.
Thanks and regards,
Gary
To: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 6:55:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TRANSPONDER location - frame works ok

I have mine mounted on the frame rail, center about 8" above grade, and had no 
troubles.


On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Gary Schneider wrote:

Joe,
An important point is that the transponder needs to see the track not only 
straight down but also forward and back by at least a few inches. As you cross 
the line the transponder makes a number of hits: weaker as you approach/depart, 
strongest as you pass directly over. It triangulates on the signal strength 
coming and going to find the exact millisecond you are centered over the loop. 
Ideally there should be an uninterrupted cone of vision from the transponder 
bottom to the asphalt. AMB tells you the maximum height is 2 feet. But they do 
not tell you there is a also practical minimum height of around 9-12 inches: too 

small a cone of signal means too few hits to accurately position you. That means 

don't do the obvious and mount it on the frame. This generates a weak-signal 
warning to the T&S system and you will likely get a love note at pit in to 
change it. (Been there, done that.) Mid-height inside the wheel well is AMB's 
suggestion, but outside the front valance works great too and provides easier 
access for removal.

Hope this helps,
Gary Schneider






________________________________
From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 2:57:10 PM
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions

I am about to install.

What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
transponder?

Any caveats?

Orientation?

Thanks!

Joe
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From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Aug 10 18:32:11 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:32:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TRANSPONDER location - frame works ok
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com><92649.1457.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<EC0D7290-D06D-46DC-8685-2A764FAD0EF3@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <AF3579BEE4E8489EAD3E990A9AB7B982@Bud>

Unfortunately there have been so many people cheating/tampering with 
transponders that effective 2011 SCCA is requiring that they be mounted on 
the driver's helmet..
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
To: "Gary Schneider" <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: <n197tr4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TRANSPONDER location - frame works ok


>I have mine mounted on the frame rail, center about 8" above grade,
> and had no troubles.
>
> On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Gary Schneider wrote:
>
> Joe,
> An important point is that the transponder needs to see the track not
> only
> straight down but also forward and back by at least a few inches. As
> you cross
> the line the transponder makes a number of hits: weaker as you
> approach/depart,
> strongest as you pass directly over. It triangulates on the signal
> strength
> coming and going to find the exact millisecond you are centered over
> the loop.
> Ideally there should be an uninterrupted cone of vision from the
> transponder
> bottom to the asphalt. AMB tells you the maximum height is 2 feet. But
> they do
> not tell you there is a also practical minimum height of around 9-12
> inches: too
> small a cone of signal means too few hits to accurately position you.
> That means
> don't do the obvious and mount it on the frame. This generates a weak-
> signal
> warning to the T&S system and you will likely get a love note at pit
> in to
> change it. (Been there, done that.) Mid-height inside the wheel well
> is AMB's
> suggestion, but outside the front valance works great too and provides
> easier
> access for removal.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Gary Schneider
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 2:57:10 PM
> Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
>
> I am about to install.
>
> What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
> transponder?
>
> Any caveats?
>
> Orientation?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 10 18:33:18 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:33:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Christian Marx' new CRANK SEAL .... AN FOT
 UPDATE....components to be seen at TOPEKA.
Message-ID: <8CD0703EDCB598A-1E78-4F50@webmail-d028.sysops.aol.com>

OEM SCROLL SEALS: Due to the generous FOT response in supplying seed units for
modified scroll seals, I have 10 scroll seals in process today and will bring
units to Topeka next week. I had tooling produced to fixture these scroll
seals for modification and plan to provide as an exchange item for matched
sets received.  Est. $30 exchange

SEAL HOUSING CENTERING TOOL: Several scroll seals were measured by various
individuals and we came to the conclusion that this dimension is different
than the published dimension in the Factory Manual. Kas' new book discusses
the scroll seal and the dimensions published reflect our findings. Our new
Centering Tools are work in process this week. I will bring those to Topeka.
(This Centering Tool will work in assembly of the stock or modified scroll
seals) Est. $25 Retail

VITON CRANK SEAL: Chris' 2nd Production Run of 50 seals has been delayed
several days and will not make it to Topeka. There are a number of these seals
installed from an initial production run of (50?) One of these was installed
by Steve Yott of ISOA and well documented by ISOA's Bob Streepy as a
comprehensive article for the VTR magazine to be published in the fall.  Est.
Seal Cost  $62-66 depending on exchange rates.....this is a pass through from
Chris to you.

Viton seals are used in high heat, high duty cycle applications. It is my
understanding that the alternative seal is a Land Rover component and is not a
VITON seal.  Chris' new seal design also avoids the cost and time of grinding
the scroll characteristics from the crankshaft. Therefore, the original scroll
functionality remains in place while being backed up by the Viton Seal.

DISTRIBUTION: ARE will distribute in North America as individual components or
in kit form.  We should be ready to ship seal kits and components in less than
30 days.   Est. $125 Retail Kit

Thanks to all who participated in this project. None of us do this stuff
alone. Chris did the thoughtful engineering work on the seal design. ARE just
provided support and encouragement.

Be on the look out for Kas' new book in the fall. There is an entire chapter
on the subject of oil leaks and ventilation in our wet sleeve engines and how
to prevent them.

Kas' next book promises to deliver....whadda legacy we have for our Triumphs.
But you have to do more than look at the pictures. You have to read, too.  :-)
Kas says so.

Chris and Joe


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 10 18:41:56 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:41:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
In-Reply-To: <005301cb38e8$1a9dd2f0$2101a8c0@userge6zixcg5r>
References: <6a1a5.3e8fbc18.39932e04@cs.com>
	<005301cb38e8$1a9dd2f0$2101a8c0@userge6zixcg5r>
Message-ID: <8CD0705221CB4D6-1E78-50E8@webmail-d028.sysops.aol.com>

Since SAM HALKIAS is in my group (and class) at TOPEKA my transponder will be
on his TR6.

This all begs for answers to compelling questions at Topeka

WHO IS FASTER THAN SAM HALKIAS?

WHO WILL HAVE THE FASTEST TR4 IN NORTH AMERICA ON THIS WEEKEND?








-----Original Message-----
From: William Dewar <pcdelux at verizon.net>
To: N197TR4 at cs.com; budscars at comcast.net; colordog.1 at earthlink.net
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:58 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions


Joe,

If you stick it on Peyote remember it's aluminum. Probably need Gorilla glue.
Just make sure it is slightly forward of Peyote's real one.

Bill D
NJTA
----- Original Message ----- From: <N197TR4 at cs.com>
To: <budscars at comcast.net>; <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions

> It is good to see the FOT alive and well and playing well with each other
> on the list.
>
> The responses actually helped me identify a premium location on the AMBRO.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------
> Looking forward to the FOT gathering next week. Kas leaves on Monday for
> Wednesday arrival with the Coveted Kastner Cup. Many will be there by
> Wednesday night with everyone in place by Thursday.
>
> The forecast is a 10-15 degree trend in declining temperatures.
> Probabilities would indicate this after a sustained heat wave.
>
> More later, Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>> Good Idea Steve...that prompted a plan....Since it's not hard wired...put
>> a
>> magnet on it, and casually walk through the pits and stick it on any car
>> that you think will be a runaway winner..
>> RB
>>
>
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From rjl at gt-classics.com  Tue Aug 10 19:47:51 2010
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:47:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TRANSPONDER location - frame works ok
In-Reply-To: <542905.93558.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
	<92649.1457.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<EC0D7290-D06D-46DC-8685-2A764FAD0EF3@comcast.net>
	<542905.93558.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F6.20.20721.151026C4@smtp04.embarq.synacor.com>

I had one on my FF (hard wired, though, but that shouldn't
make a difference?) that was only about 3 inches above the
ground.  I never had a problem with it, and it was even inside
the nose cone so it had to penetrate a layer of fiberglass.

John

At 08:29 PM 8/10/2010, Gary Schneider wrote:
>Scott,
>Sounds like 8" is still in the workable range then. We had trouble 
>in the 4-6"
>area on two different cars. If there's ever any question, your T&S folks can
>tell you how many hits they get from each transponder.
>Thanks and regards,
>Gary
>To: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
>Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net
>Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 6:55:23 PM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] TRANSPONDER location - frame works ok
>
>I have mine mounted on the frame rail, center about 8" above grade, 
>and had no
>troubles.
>
>
>On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Gary Schneider wrote:
>
>Joe,
>An important point is that the transponder needs to see the track not only
>straight down but also forward and back by at least a few inches. As 
>you cross
>the line the transponder makes a number of hits: weaker as you 
>approach/depart,
>strongest as you pass directly over. It triangulates on the signal strength
>coming and going to find the exact millisecond you are centered over 
>the loop.
>Ideally there should be an uninterrupted cone of vision from the transponder
>bottom to the asphalt. AMB tells you the maximum height is 2 feet. 
>But they do
>not tell you there is a also practical minimum height of around 9-12 
>inches: too
>
>small a cone of signal means too few hits to accurately position 
>you. That means
>
>don't do the obvious and mount it on the frame. This generates a weak-signal
>warning to the T&S system and you will likely get a love note at pit in to
>change it. (Been there, done that.) Mid-height inside the wheel well is AMB's
>suggestion, but outside the front valance works great too and provides easier
>access for removal.
>
>Hope this helps,
>Gary Schneider
>
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 2:57:10 PM
>Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
>
>I am about to install.
>
>What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
>transponder?
>
>Any caveats?
>
>Orientation?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Joe
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Thanks,
R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net 


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Tue Aug 10 20:48:38 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:48:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
Message-ID: <CC7343A3-5107-44EF-9572-AB095A92ED65@comcast.net>

I'm contemplating suspension changes to reduce the overall understeer  
tendency of my car, and am interested in hearing what set-ups other  
GT6 racers are running.  I think I want to reduce roll at the rear,  
either through a stiffer rear bar and/or spring.  The rear has a 5/8"  
bar on it, spring of unknown specs, and a 1" front bar and 550 lb  
springs.

I'm particularly interested in what, if any, rear bar you are running  
and how it is mounted to the body/frame, and the rear spring specs. 


From jason at multivintage.com  Wed Aug 11 00:12:56 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 01:12:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <BAY138-W10FCDFE03AAF5D91FE5BF6C1940@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY138-W19180B570EF497E2C8C423C1920@phx.gbl>
	<AANLkTimX1CzRnaAe0sqQAXiEXXhh9HLy2CPrYH94_+Hc@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY138-W10FCDFE03AAF5D91FE5BF6C1940@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinB1vk1jzAP+PDS+-ix5TZtr-8MOuD7gHzG3R8D@mail.gmail.com>

Funny Thing About All This Rear Seal Talk and Discussion which sent Steve
out to his garage fabricating parts... Turns out my real leak was coming
from the the trans... I pulled the tunnel cover off last night to find the
entire top cover extension virtually hanging in the breeze...two bolts
totally gone, one dowel missing and two studs just kind of hanging on for
dear life and the gasket laying there looking at me from the frame rails.
The thing was hanging there just dangling and mostly being supported by a
custom bracket I have coming off of the bell housing and  the rubber gear
shift sleeve.. Whoops. I drove it like that for about 50 laps...it was
leaking and getting worse for the entire weekend at Gratten... I was having
so much fun I didn't notice except the oil that was pooling at my feet...
which I thought was coming from a leaking rear seal.

Will I make it to the Kastner Cup?
Jason, Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 4:16 PM, f s <whitedog72 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jason,
>  Definately change it out as soon as possible. It is not only what you do
> to your engine but what the guy behind you has to deal with as you spray
> bits of oil on his windscreen. It is not too bad to replace. Just pull the
> tranny, clutch, flywheel and engine back plate to gain access.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:26:48 -0500
>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
> From: jason at multivintage.com
> To: whitedog72 at hotmail.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
>
>
> I am having the same problem on my gt6. Mine may be just old and in need of
> replacement. In my last weekend out I was loosing about a half quart per
> session. My question about this is do I have to pull the whole motor or can
> the seal be replaced by just removing the trans and doing it from the
> inside? Will I do damage to things like the clutch If I try to race again
> before doing so?
>
> thanks for any advice for doing this job right and still racing soon.
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:04 PM, f s <whitedog72 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Need some advice,
>
>  I just put an engine together. 100% new seals and gaskets. Everything is
> great accept the rear main seal is leaking alot. I have put alot of these
> together and never had this problem before. I have taken it back apart and
> it
> looks centered and no damage. I also made sure the all the bolts were good
> and
> that areas that needed copper flat washers were correct. Any ideas from the
> group? I am baffled and have a big mess. ;o(
>
> Thanks
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Aug 11 00:53:08 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 08:53:08 +0200
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
In-Reply-To: <CC7343A3-5107-44EF-9572-AB095A92ED65@comcast.net>
References: <CC7343A3-5107-44EF-9572-AB095A92ED65@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000001cb3921$ddf424a0$99dc6de0$@com>

If you have understeer then your front end is the weak spot to work at.
Try to get more front end grip before you sacrifice back end grip.
More camber, different tire pressure, softer sway bar, more or less toe in,
weight distribution to the rear.

Cheers
Chris

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Auftrag von Scott Janzen
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. August 2010 04:49
An: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up

I'm contemplating suspension changes to reduce the overall understeer
tendency of my car, and am interested in hearing what set-ups other
GT6 racers are running.  I think I want to reduce roll at the rear,
either through a stiffer rear bar and/or spring.  The rear has a 5/8"
bar on it, spring of unknown specs, and a 1" front bar and 550 lb
springs.

I'm particularly interested in what, if any, rear bar you are running
and how it is mounted to the body/frame, and the rear spring specs.
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From tr6driver at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 11 06:31:46 2010
From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 05:31:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
In-Reply-To: <6a1a5.3e8fbc18.39932e04@cs.com>
References: <6a1a5.3e8fbc18.39932e04@cs.com>
Message-ID: <580602.4036.qm@web52507.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Agreed...the discussion has helped us locate the transponder on our TR6
ChumpCar...first races coming up quickly (Aug 21 & 22 7-hour runs at Roebling
Road)!

Jamie




________________________________
From: "N197TR4 at cs.com"
<N197TR4 at cs.com>
To: budscars at comcast.net; colordog.1 at earthlink.net
Cc:
fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 6:34:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot]
AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions

It is good to see the FOT alive and
well and playing well with each other 
on the list.

The responses actually
helped me identify a premium location on the AMBRO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------
Looking forward to the FOT gathering
next week. Kas leaves on Monday for 
Wednesday arrival with the Coveted
Kastner Cup.  Many will be there by 
Wednesday night with everyone in place by
Thursday.

The forecast is a 10-15 degree trend in declining temperatures.
Probabilities would indicate this after a sustained heat wave. 

More later, 
Joe





> Good Idea Steve...that prompted a plan....Since it's not hard
wired...put 
> a 
> magnet on it, and casually walk through the pits and stick
it on any car 
> that you think will be a runaway winner..
> RB
> 

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Aug 11 07:54:00 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:54:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Quick Rack Query
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008110950580.11465@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I installed a Moss quick-ration steering rack a few years back. I love it, 
it's a great upgrade and I should have done it a long time ago.

At any rate, the contruction of the rack is a tad different then the stock 
piece - here's the question: is the lubrication servicing for this rack 
the same as the factory piece?

Yours in alliteration.
rml
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From jason at multivintage.com  Wed Aug 11 08:16:40 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:16:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
In-Reply-To: <000001cb3921$ddf424a0$99dc6de0$@com>
References: <CC7343A3-5107-44EF-9572-AB095A92ED65@comcast.net>
	<000001cb3921$ddf424a0$99dc6de0$@com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=22-7hikyk0jnqtsoJEy9-3dkfWpts1a63dUQt@mail.gmail.com>

 The nicely prepared gt6 race cars in the midwest have concentrated on
beefing up rear axles and hubs, flat and heavy rear springs, and stiff
shocks. The fastest has a bar mine has no bar... but seems to work fine.
Less movement of all parts in general proves to be better. Stiffness steps
in the back should allow lateral movement to be modulated by the throttle
pedal. I would assume your car has good stuff at the rear and might agree
with chris that your front end grip may be more important.

Side note... we use hoosier street T.D.'s and although quite expensive and
not long lasting (half a season for the fronts) These tires stick both at
the front and rear and should put the car wherever you want to go.

Jason
Friendly Ghost Racing
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 1:53 AM, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> If you have understeer then your front end is the weak spot to work at.
> Try to get more front end grip before you sacrifice back end grip.
> More camber, different tire pressure, softer sway bar, more or less toe in,
> weight distribution to the rear.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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> Auftrag von Scott Janzen
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. August 2010 04:49
> An: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
> Betreff: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
>
> I'm contemplating suspension changes to reduce the overall understeer
> tendency of my car, and am interested in hearing what set-ups other
> GT6 racers are running.  I think I want to reduce roll at the rear,
> either through a stiffer rear bar and/or spring.  The rear has a 5/8"
> bar on it, spring of unknown specs, and a 1" front bar and 550 lb
> springs.
>
> I'm particularly interested in what, if any, rear bar you are running
> and how it is mounted to the body/frame, and the rear spring specs.
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Aug 11 08:26:41 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:26:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
In-Reply-To: <000001cb3921$ddf424a0$99dc6de0$@com>
Message-ID: <1987808763.940815.1281536801931.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I think Chris said it, you have a lot of sway bar up front, I'd start with
that.

You have a pretty low roll center in a GT6. It seems the only way to make a

1" sway bar work well on a GT6 is with fairly massive tires, but I could be
wrong.

Set the camber with tire temps and once you get the front to bite then you

can balance front & rear. A little toe out made a big difference in the TR4 on
turn in.



Jim G




----- Original Message -----
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>, "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph"
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:53:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up

If you have understeer then your front end is the weak spot to work at.
Try to get more front end grip before you sacrifice back end grip.
More camber, different tire pressure, softer sway bar, more or less toe in,
weight distribution to the rear.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Scott Janzen
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. August 2010 04:49
An: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up

I'm contemplating suspension changes to reduce the overall understeer
tendency of my car, and am interested in hearing what set-ups other
GT6 racers are running. B I think I want to reduce roll at the rear,
either through a stiffer rear bar and/or spring. B The rear has a 5/8"
bar on it, spring of unknown specs, and a 1" front bar and 550 lb
springs.

I'm particularly interested in what, if any, rear bar you are running
and how it is mounted to the body/frame, and the rear spring specs.
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From jason at multivintage.com  Wed Aug 11 09:25:29 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:25:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
In-Reply-To: <7e48d9521095a1e2f0318fdce1bc1a5a.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
References: <CC7343A3-5107-44EF-9572-AB095A92ED65@comcast.net>
	<000001cb3921$ddf424a0$99dc6de0$@com>
	<AANLkTi=22-7hikyk0jnqtsoJEy9-3dkfWpts1a63dUQt@mail.gmail.com>
	<7e48d9521095a1e2f0318fdce1bc1a5a.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikpdX+1siASf6tSk8tNLC70aRH-74QBF6UBbYGs@mail.gmail.com>

Yep, I can remember several instances In the long ago past where we used to
walk the paddock after a big SCCA weekend at Road America looking for "used"
FF tires to use on our Club Raced Spitfires and Gt6's... That still had
plenty of life left in them to run up front in a Triumph in Midwestern
Council.

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:53 AM, <rjl6n at cstone.net> wrote:

> Hi Jason,
>
> On Wed, August 11, 2010 10:16 am, Jason Ostrowski wrote:
> > we use hoosier street T.D.'s and although quite expensive and
> > not long lasting (half a season for the fronts)
>
> I had to chuckle when I read that.  I guess its all relative!
> I was lucky to get two race weekends out of a set of tires
> on my FF.  If I wanted to stay at the front, I needed fresh
> tires every weekend.
>
> Thanks,
> John


From jason at multivintage.com  Wed Aug 11 09:38:52 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:38:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikpdX+1siASf6tSk8tNLC70aRH-74QBF6UBbYGs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CC7343A3-5107-44EF-9572-AB095A92ED65@comcast.net>
	<000001cb3921$ddf424a0$99dc6de0$@com>
	<AANLkTi=22-7hikyk0jnqtsoJEy9-3dkfWpts1a63dUQt@mail.gmail.com>
	<7e48d9521095a1e2f0318fdce1bc1a5a.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
	<AANLkTikpdX+1siASf6tSk8tNLC70aRH-74QBF6UBbYGs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinifFQ3T967VCa_WLs7GxmVwpRdkm58bn35uALj@mail.gmail.com>

All,
Another memory from my childhood Triumph dreams from the paddock that
concern rear suspension... You could almost tell who the fast Triumphs were
going to be by looking at the way the car sat on the jack stands. The cars
whose rear wheels and axles were flat and still nicely tucked under the
fenders were going to fly. The ones that sagged to the grass...well not so
much. When I was looking to buy a car I wanted one that when you jacked up
rear... the wheels went up too!

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>wrote:

> Yep, I can remember several instances In the long ago past where we used to
> walk the paddock after a big SCCA weekend at Road America looking for "used"
> FF tires to use on our Club Raced Spitfires and Gt6's... That still had
> plenty of life left in them to run up front in a Triumph in Midwestern
> Council.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:53 AM, <rjl6n at cstone.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jason,
>>
>> On Wed, August 11, 2010 10:16 am, Jason Ostrowski wrote:
>> > we use hoosier street T.D.'s and although quite expensive and
>> > not long lasting (half a season for the fronts)
>>
>> I had to chuckle when I read that.  I guess its all relative!
>> I was lucky to get two race weekends out of a set of tires
>> on my FF.  If I wanted to stay at the front, I needed fresh
>> tires every weekend.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John


From cofrog at q.com  Wed Aug 11 09:40:43 2010
From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:40:43 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Hoosier Speedster 205-60-15
Message-ID: <SNT140-w577EEBCA44D11A360461BED4960@phx.gbl>

If anyone going to Topeka has a Hoosier Speedster 205-60-15 with some life
left in it they want to get rid of I need one to go with the three I have to
complete a spare set of tires, I would be interested.  I'll be in the black
#144 TR4.

Thanks,

Dan Forgey


From andre at gt6.ca  Wed Aug 11 10:07:28 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:07:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinifFQ3T967VCa_WLs7GxmVwpRdkm58bn35uALj@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CC7343A3-5107-44EF-9572-AB095A92ED65@comcast.net>
	<000001cb3921$ddf424a0$99dc6de0$@com>
	<AANLkTi=22-7hikyk0jnqtsoJEy9-3dkfWpts1a63dUQt@mail.gmail.com>
	<7e48d9521095a1e2f0318fdce1bc1a5a.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
	<AANLkTikpdX+1siASf6tSk8tNLC70aRH-74QBF6UBbYGs@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinifFQ3T967VCa_WLs7GxmVwpRdkm58bn35uALj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimGnX4iqr1uUouhxmX-b9QpFtV5hi0td1GX9Mgr@mail.gmail.com>

A little rear camber?

http://andrerousseau.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/img_3685.jpg
http://andrerousseau.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/img_3687.jpg

A.

On 11 August 2010 11:38, Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com> wrote:
> All,
> Another memory from my childhood Triumph dreams from the paddock that
> concern rear suspension... You could almost tell who the fast Triumphs were
> going to be by looking at the way the car sat on the jack stands. The cars
> whose rear wheels and axles were flat and still nicely tucked under the
> fenders were going to fly. The ones that sagged to the grass...well not so
> much. When I was looking to buy a car I wanted one that when you jacked up
> rear... the wheels went up too!
>
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Jason Ostrowski
<jason at multivintage.com>wrote:
>
>> Yep, I can remember several instances In the long ago past where we used
to
>> walk the paddock after a big SCCA weekend at Road America looking for
"used"
>> FF tires to use on our Club Raced Spitfires and Gt6's... That still had
>> plenty of life left in them to run up front in a Triumph in Midwestern
>> Council.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:53 AM, <rjl6n at cstone.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jason,
>>>
>>> On Wed, August 11, 2010 10:16 am, Jason Ostrowski wrote:
>>> > we use hoosier street T.D.'s and although quite expensive and
>>> > not long lasting (half a season for the fronts)
>>>
>>> I had to chuckle when I read that.  I guess its all relative!
>>> I was lucky to get two race weekends out of a set of tires
>>> on my FF.  If I wanted to stay at the front, I needed fresh
>>> tires every weekend.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> John
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Wed Aug 11 10:40:23 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:40:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH TR7V8 GP4 Rally Car on Ebay
Message-ID: <4C62D277.5090504@greenheart.com>

  TRIUMPH TR7V8 GP4 Rally Car BLUE


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220647471480


From markvaden at gmail.com  Wed Aug 11 11:27:07 2010
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:27:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
In-Reply-To: <67E902AE-49D7-4CFC-815F-167B1A768DD0@earthlink.net>
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
	<67E902AE-49D7-4CFC-815F-167B1A768DD0@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikUX3daZJhE7=nyfnOmDKi6hbS=g54PkPKsc1Mi@mail.gmail.com>

Here is a video that explains why Steve is constructing a retractable rod.

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=ox316Add_kk

When my wife saw this - she responded "every inch matters".

-Mark

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>wrote:

> Mount it onto a retractable rod that can shoot forward at the start/finish
> line if necessary. :)
>
> ~Steve
>
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2010, at 12:57 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
>
> I am about to install.
>
> What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
> transponder?
>
> Any caveats?
>
> Orientation?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe
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From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Aug 11 13:16:57 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:16:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimGnX4iqr1uUouhxmX-b9QpFtV5hi0td1GX9Mgr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100811151657.N5M7C.403856.imail@fed1rmwml34>

Swing axle cars have different problems.
---- Andre Rousseau <andre at gt6.ca> wrote: 

=============
A little rear camber?

http://andrerousseau.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/img_3685.jpg
http://andrerousseau.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/img_3687.jpg

A.

On 11 August 2010 11:38, Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com> wrote:
> All,
> Another memory from my childhood Triumph dreams from the paddock that
> concern rear suspension... You could almost tell who the fast Triumphs were
> going to be by looking at the way the car sat on the jack stands. The cars
> whose rear wheels and axles were flat and still nicely tucked under the
> fenders were going to fly. The ones that sagged to the grass...well not so
> much. When I was looking to buy a car I wanted one that when you jacked up
> rear... the wheels went up too!
>
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Jason Ostrowski
<jason at multivintage.com>wrote:
>
>> Yep, I can remember several instances In the long ago past where we used
to
>> walk the paddock after a big SCCA weekend at Road America looking for
"used"
>> FF tires to use on our Club Raced Spitfires and Gt6's... That still had
>> plenty of life left in them to run up front in a Triumph in Midwestern
>> Council.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:53 AM, <rjl6n at cstone.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jason,
>>>
>>> On Wed, August 11, 2010 10:16 am, Jason Ostrowski wrote:
>>> > we use hoosier street T.D.'s and although quite expensive and
>>> > not long lasting (half a season for the fronts)
>>>
>>> I had to chuckle when I read that.  I guess its all relative!
>>> I was lucky to get two race weekends out of a set of tires
>>> on my FF.  If I wanted to stay at the front, I needed fresh
>>> tires every weekend.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> John
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From markvaden at gmail.com  Wed Aug 11 14:34:28 2010
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:34:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikUX3daZJhE7=nyfnOmDKi6hbS=g54PkPKsc1Mi@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
	<67E902AE-49D7-4CFC-815F-167B1A768DD0@earthlink.net>
	<AANLkTikUX3daZJhE7=nyfnOmDKi6hbS=g54PkPKsc1Mi@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim6LxST7ATE1Ndsn8d5ZxtZMXxjYQ_=NmXW42FY@mail.gmail.com>

Steve was nice  enough to point out that I had the wrong link: here is the
correct one:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox316Add_kk

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Mark Vaden <markvaden at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here is a video that explains why Steve is constructing a retractable rod.
>
>
> http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=ox316Add_kk
>
> When my wife saw this - she responded "every inch matters".
>
> -Mark
>
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>wrote:
>
>> Mount it onto a retractable rod that can shoot forward at the start/finish
>> line if necessary. :)
>>
>> ~Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2010, at 12:57 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
>>
>> I am about to install.
>>
>> What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
>> transponder?
>>
>> Any caveats?
>>
>> Orientation?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Joe
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From dave at microworks.net  Wed Aug 11 14:57:18 2010
From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:57:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW: [DCTRA] August 2010 Newsletter
Message-ID: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF034FFE@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local>

On page 8-10 of the current issue of our newsletter is a cool Voltage Stabilizer conversion one of our members came up with

 

 

http://www.dctra.org/News/Aug2010.pdf


From cofrog at q.com  Wed Aug 11 15:03:25 2010
From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 21:03:25 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Hoosier Speedster 205-60-15
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087E13D3FE@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
References: <SNT140-w577EEBCA44D11A360461BED4960@phx.gbl>,
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087E13D3FE@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <SNT140-w320E5B2CB1CA59D2270723D4960@phx.gbl>

Bob,

Thanks a bunch.  I was left with trying to obtain one or get rid of three!
See you in temperate Topeka!

Dan

> From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com
> To: cofrog at q.com
> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:40:47 -0500
> Subject: RE: [Fot] Hoosier Speedster 205-60-15
>
> I think I have one to spare. I'll bring it.
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sales Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35
> Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-272-4141 Office
> 512-657-8526 Cell
> Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
> ~Mac Anderson
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Dan Forgey
> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 10:41 AM
> To: triumph fot
> Subject: [Fot] Hoosier Speedster 205-60-15
>
> If anyone going to Topeka has a Hoosier Speedster 205-60-15 with some life
> left in it they want to get rid of I need one to go with the three I have
to
> complete a spare set of tires, I would be interested. I'll be in the black
> #144 TR4.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan Forgey
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Aug 11 16:10:48 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:10:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW: [DCTRA] August 2010 Newsletter
In-Reply-To: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF034FFE@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local>
References: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF034FFE@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local>
Message-ID: <071b01cb39a2$0e8d5660$2ba80320$@rr.com>

> On page 8-10 of the current issue of our newsletter is a cool Voltage
> Stabilizer conversion one of our members came up with

Nice article, thanks Dave & Jim.  A few comments, though:

1) The NTE 1932 regulator is rated for a 2 volt dropout (typical), meaning
it can no longer supply a regulated 10 volts if the input voltage drops
below 12 volts.  Since this would be a fairly common occurrence for most
Triumphs after, say, sitting at a stop light for an extended period, I feel
that a "low dropout" regulator like the NTE 1953 is more appropriate.  The
NTE 1953 is rated for a 0.5 volt (typical) dropout, meaning it can supply 10
volts with an input as low as 10.5 volts.  My local electronics store had
them for $3 each (although Fry's didn't).

2) There are a few minor typos in the article, eg the NTE 1932 is rated for
10.0 volts output at 1 amp; not 10.6 volts at 3 amps.

3) I recently did a similar conversion myself, but took Dan Masters'
suggestion of incorporating an LED that shows when the device has power and
ground.  I also found that the NTE 1953 at least, had a tendency to
oscillate (spoiling the regulated output), so I also incorporated a 0.1
microfarad tantalum capacitor on the input.  Sorry, no pictures, but I'll
take some next time.

4) It would be interesting to see data on how this conversion actually
"improves accuracy and consistency".  At the very least, it seems to me that
it will _increase_ the gauge rise time after the key is turned on, since the
factory "voltage stabilizer" supplies full battery voltage for the first few
seconds, instead of only 10.0 volts.  Also, since the gauges are also
thermal devices (and hence affected by temperature), the factory thermal VS
may provide for more consistent readings over a range of ambient
temperature.

But in my case, both of the VS in my parts bin were kaput, so doing the
conversion was the quick way to getting back on the road with an early TR4
temperature gauge in place of the failed aftermarket gauge on my TR3.

-- Randall 


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 11 16:30:30 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:30:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TOPEKA    FOT   PRODUCT DISPLAY   AUTOJUMBLE
Message-ID: <8CD07BBF06DEBEA-1F10-398E@webmail-d056.sysops.aol.com>

LIST:

I rented two vendor spaces for displaying a variety of 'stuff'.

10  x  40

My offer still stands to share this space for anyone else who wants to sell
used or new parts or display their products.

If need be, I'll rent more space..................................

You just need to be responsible for tagging and displaying your own stuff.

I am planning for:

Tony Drews
Christian Marx
Ed Barnard
A.R.E.
Dio Cars
Advanced Distributors  (invited and hoping to come)

Not exactly SEMA but adds to the experience of this great weekend.  Ed has got
some new cool stuff he is working with Richard Good on.
Jeff Schlemmer of Advanced Distributors will be invaluable to all of us,
hanging out in the paddock with us.

Joe Alexander


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Wed Aug 11 18:45:49 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:45:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <B3EE405E211E44B2B588D1F485676D7E@ComputerPC>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net><000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com><4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net>
	<4C5DBB6D.20807@blacksburg.net><000c01cb36dc$b3862890$1a9279b0$@com>
	<4C606A0A.90106@pobox.com><4C6091EB.6070100@pobox.com>
	<000601cb3859$131bb9a0$39532ce0$@com>
	<B3EE405E211E44B2B588D1F485676D7E@ComputerPC>
Message-ID: <4C63443D.4000800@blacksburg.net>

On 8/10/2010 7:11 PM, Stutzman wrote:
> Do any listers have actual experience using this head gasket?
> Bruce
Yup.  I bought the gasket on Uncle Jack's recommendation and have been 
very pleased with the results.  I believe Jack said he had used them for 
years, but don't recall.  Tony?

Chris, the 0.043 inch dimension is uncompressed, but I don't believe it 
gives much.

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From whitedog72 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 11 19:34:32 2010
From: whitedog72 at hotmail.com (f s)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:34:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinifFQ3T967VCa_WLs7GxmVwpRdkm58bn35uALj@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CC7343A3-5107-44EF-9572-AB095A92ED65@comcast.net>,
	<000001cb3921$ddf424a0$99dc6de0$@com>,
	<AANLkTi=22-7hikyk0jnqtsoJEy9-3dkfWpts1a63dUQt@mail.gmail.com>,
	<7e48d9521095a1e2f0318fdce1bc1a5a.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>,
	<AANLkTikpdX+1siASf6tSk8tNLC70aRH-74QBF6UBbYGs@mail.gmail.com>,
	<AANLkTinifFQ3T967VCa_WLs7GxmVwpRdkm58bn35uALj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY138-W1583CA04F96472CFB0C32FC1970@phx.gbl>

Have any of you tried a very flat rear spring that is a bit longer than stock.
I did it and my car sits really low but the wheels do not have excessive
chamber due to the longer spring pushing the top of the wheels out. I thought
the car felt pretty good in the rear the last time I ran it. Unfortunately I
only had one run on this idea before I took a break to put my boy through
college.

> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:38:52 -0500
> From: jason at multivintage.com
> To: rjl6n at cstone.net
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
>
> All,
> Another memory from my childhood Triumph dreams from the paddock that
> concern rear suspension... You could almost tell who the fast Triumphs were
> going to be by looking at the way the car sat on the jack stands. The cars
> whose rear wheels and axles were flat and still nicely tucked under the
> fenders were going to fly. The ones that sagged to the grass...well not so
> much. When I was looking to buy a car I wanted one that when you jacked up
> rear... the wheels went up too!
>
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Jason Ostrowski
<jason at multivintage.com>wrote:
>
> > Yep, I can remember several instances In the long ago past where we used
to
> > walk the paddock after a big SCCA weekend at Road America looking for
"used"
> > FF tires to use on our Club Raced Spitfires and Gt6's... That still had
> > plenty of life left in them to run up front in a Triumph in Midwestern
> > Council.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:53 AM, <rjl6n at cstone.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Jason,
> >>
> >> On Wed, August 11, 2010 10:16 am, Jason Ostrowski wrote:
> >> > we use hoosier street T.D.'s and although quite expensive and
> >> > not long lasting (half a season for the fronts)
> >>
> >> I had to chuckle when I read that. I guess its all relative!
> >> I was lucky to get two race weekends out of a set of tires
> >> on my FF. If I wanted to stay at the front, I needed fresh
> >> tires every weekend.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> John
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 11 20:21:24 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:21:24 -0600
Subject: [Fot] T-Shirt order confirmation
Message-ID: <DB11CBA5-0BE4-4F2C-91FF-6981271EB587@earthlink.net>

Sorry to bomb the list again, but...
Confirmations have been sent to all who ordered. If you have ordered  
but have not got anything from me, it means I haven't received your  
payment or have made a mistake regarding your order. No need to reply  
but if you ordered a shirt and have not received confirmation, please  
let me know.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM


From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 11 22:00:26 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 21:00:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] T-Shirt order confirmation
In-Reply-To: <DB11CBA5-0BE4-4F2C-91FF-6981271EB587@earthlink.net>
References: <DB11CBA5-0BE4-4F2C-91FF-6981271EB587@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <695960.3105.qm@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

thanks to Greg for taking this on!!!!

Mike Mehl




________________________________
From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
To: fot Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 7:21:24 PM
Subject: [Fot] T-Shirt order confirmation

Sorry to bomb the list again, but...
Confirmations have been sent to all who ordered. If you have ordered but have 
not got anything from me, it means I haven't received your payment or have made 
a mistake regarding your order. No need to reply but if you ordered a shirt and 
have not received confirmation, please let me know.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Aug 12 00:45:03 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 01:45:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <4C63443D.4000800@blacksburg.net>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
	<4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
	<000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>
	<4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net> <4C5DBB6D.20807@blacksburg.net>
	<000c01cb36dc$b3862890$1a9279b0$@com> <4C606A0A.90106@pobox.com>
	<4C6091EB.6070100@pobox.com> <000601cb3859$131bb9a0$39532ce0$@com>
	<B3EE405E211E44B2B588D1F485676D7E@ComputerPC>
	<4C63443D.4000800@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <20100812064420.9A7A1187669@autox.team.net>

Jack had just started working with them but was pretty excited about 
them.  They seemed like they might be somewhat forgiving like a stock 
composite gasket but with better longevity.  I think that was 
probably one of the next projects on his agenda...

I should try one on my next winter rebuild.

- Tony

At 07:45 PM 8/11/2010, J.C. Hassall wrote:
>On 8/10/2010 7:11 PM, Stutzman wrote:
>>Do any listers have actual experience using this head gasket?
>>Bruce
>Yup.  I bought the gasket on Uncle Jack's recommendation and have 
>been very pleased with the results.  I believe Jack said he had used 
>them for years, but don't recall.  Tony?
>
>Chris, the 0.043 inch dimension is uncompressed, but I don't believe 
>it gives much.
>
>jim
>
>--
>Jim Hassall
>Blacksburg VA
>'63 TR4 in autox preparation
>99% finished, 90% to go
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Aug 12 07:04:16 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 09:04:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] T-Shirt order confirmation
In-Reply-To: <695960.3105.qm@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <DB11CBA5-0BE4-4F2C-91FF-6981271EB587@earthlink.net>
	<695960.3105.qm@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CD0836011DFFE1-1448-1EDE@webmail-m052.sysops.aol.com>

AMEN!

It's always a bigger job than planned.

Thanks Greg!






-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>; fot Triumph
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] T-Shirt order confirmation


thanks to Greg for taking this on!!!!
Mike Mehl


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ent: Wed, August 11, 2010 7:21:24 PM
ubject: [Fot] T-Shirt order confirmation
Sorry to bomb the list again, but...
onfirmations have been sent to all who ordered. If you have ordered but have
ot got anything from me, it means I haven't received your payment or have made
 mistake regarding your order. No need to reply but if you ordered a shirt and
ave not received confirmation, please let me know.
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R4 #314
lbuquerque NM
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Aug 12 11:05:22 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:05:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND VINTAGE
 GRAND PRIX
Message-ID: <8CD0857AF3CB057-1494-89E9@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com>

TRIUMPH list:

Mark Bradakis will be our guest at the HVGP in TOPEKA next week.

Mark has made a MAJOR contribution to our hobby and we appreciate this..

If you come to Heartland Park next weekend, please stop in at the FRIENDS OF
TRIUMPH PADDOCK AREA and meet Mark Bradakis.

He will be hanging out with Kas Kastner and other cool people.

Also, if you are a VTR member or associated with the FOT, you are eligible for
a high quality event poster sponsored by the VTR and it's Pesident, Blake
Discher.

Joe A.


From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Aug 12 11:50:25 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 10:50:25 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND VINTAGE
 GRAND PRIX
References: <8CD0857AF3CB057-1494-89E9@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <9AA4BAB5BB2E49B5B86FDE99D6E777C5@Bud>

I won't be there..but I sure am glad to see this happening for Mark...Thanks 
Mark ..For your incredible Work for the Motoring World...
Racer bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 10:05 AM
Subject: [Fot] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND VINTAGE 
GRAND PRIX


> TRIUMPH list:
>
> Mark Bradakis will be our guest at the HVGP in TOPEKA next week.
>
> Mark has made a MAJOR contribution to our hobby and we appreciate this..
>
> If you come to Heartland Park next weekend, please stop in at the FRIENDS 
> OF
> TRIUMPH PADDOCK AREA and meet Mark Bradakis.
>
> He will be hanging out with Kas Kastner and other cool people.
>
> Also, if you are a VTR member or associated with the FOT, you are eligible 
> for
> a high quality event poster sponsored by the VTR and it's Pesident, Blake
> Discher.
>
> Joe A.
> _______________________________________________
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Aug 12 12:26:58 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:26:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMBROs AT HEARTLAND PARK - Heartland Vintage Grand Prix -
 Bill Ames Memorial
Message-ID: <8CD0863156AF5DC-1788-B4@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com>

There will be three of the historic Ambros at Heartland Park next weekend.

Newly restored V-8 powered AMBRO of Mike Fuchs.....OMAHA. Mike will be driving
it on track. It's appearance is being coordinated by FOT Bill Redinger of
OMAHA.

HOT and FAST V-8 powered AMBRO-DIO of Bill Bonadio.....OKLAHOMA CITY.  Bill is
having a hip replacement  on Friday and he may only have it on display.

Newly finished TR4 powered AMBRO of A.R.E.......JESUP, IOWA.   This a racing
debut with this car..

BILL AMES MEMORIAL:  The Bill Ames Memorial plaque will be passed from Larry
Young to the next recipient, at the HVGP.

This plaque is in honor of BILL AMES, one of the originators of the AMBRO,
along with Dewey Brohaugh. (Ames and Brohaugh are recognized in Harold Pace's
American Road Racing Specials) Bill had the talent and spirit we have in the
FOT. In his 60s he left us in 1998.

=


From rjl6n at cstone.net  Thu Aug 12 12:29:28 2010
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:29:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND VINTAGE
 GRAND PRIX
In-Reply-To: <8CD0857AF3CB057-1494-89E9@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD0857AF3CB057-1494-89E9@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <7230c78176953c7b9ef6c2fdd26c9925.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

Awesome - MJB truly deserves this, congratulations!

I wish I could be there to congratulate Mark, but
this will have to do.

Mark, thanks for all you do,
John

On Thu, August 12, 2010 1:05 pm, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> TRIUMPH list:
>
> Mark Bradakis will be our guest at the HVGP in TOPEKA next week.
>
> Mark has made a MAJOR contribution to our hobby and we appreciate this..
>
> If you come to Heartland Park next weekend, please stop in at the FRIENDS
> OF
> TRIUMPH PADDOCK AREA and meet Mark Bradakis.
>
> He will be hanging out with Kas Kastner and other cool people.
>
> Also, if you are a VTR member or associated with the FOT, you are eligible
> for
> a high quality event poster sponsored by the VTR and it's Pesident, Blake
> Discher.
>
> Joe A.
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 12 14:18:14 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:18:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR3 query
Message-ID: <B4785FE1-A6AF-4BE2-AC67-531138F5EC45@earthlink.net>

Hello All,
Can anyone help with commission # TS69978L, engine # TS48253E ?
Where do these numbers fit into total production? Likely year of  
manufacture? The plate adjacent to the Commission plate says:
          T R I U M P H
             S T C - 6 2
I've never noticed this plate on other TR3's. It is screwed on unlike  
the comm. plate which it riveted. Might it signify 1962?
And finally, might this be a 2138cc or did they all have CT numbers.
Thanks in advance,
And CHEERS to Mark! Look forward to meeting you in Topeka.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM 


From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Aug 12 15:04:33 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:04:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 query
References: <B4785FE1-A6AF-4BE2-AC67-531138F5EC45@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E85E75CEC3B941CA83F4D15CA087D995@Bud>

Hi greg....your chassis # is TR3A (ts22014-ts83572)..your chassis is a late 
one, so I bet the STC-62 has something to do with the car being a 1961, but 
sold as a 1962 because the dealer still had it on his lot...It was very 
common to simply sell the car as a later year if still in the 
inventory....your engiine # is TR3A..TS22014E and on..The .TR3 B was 
TSF(1991cc) orTCF(2138cc)
Racer Bud.,,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
To: "fot Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 1:18 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR3 query


> Hello All,
> Can anyone help with commission # TS69978L, engine # TS48253E ?
> Where do these numbers fit into total production? Likely year of 
> manufacture? The plate adjacent to the Commission plate says:
>          T R I U M P H
>             S T C - 6 2
> I've never noticed this plate on other TR3's. It is screwed on unlike  the 
> comm. plate which it riveted. Might it signify 1962?
> And finally, might this be a 2138cc or did they all have CT numbers.
> Thanks in advance,
> And CHEERS to Mark! Look forward to meeting you in Topeka.
>
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 12 15:08:40 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:08:40 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Query answered
In-Reply-To: <EEF387CB76AB9B4083293A0052ADEEC31B7E663E53@SEPEX11.oppd.oppd-ds.com>
References: <B4785FE1-A6AF-4BE2-AC67-531138F5EC45@earthlink.net>
	<EEF387CB76AB9B4083293A0052ADEEC31B7E663E53@SEPEX11.oppd.oppd-ds.com>
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Instant answers thanks to Bill Redinger.
On Aug 12, 2010, at 2:59 PM, REDINGER, WILLIAM E wrote:

> Greg
>
> Your car was manufactured February 1960,with all of the latest TR3A  
> changes on it. The engine is not the original one as it has an  
> earlier engine number, when it should have near the same number as  
> the commission number up to about 1000 numbers higher. By late 1960  
> TR3a's were not selling well in anticipation of the new TR4, so  
> some late TR3a's got to the dealers late and then sat waiting a  
> sale. Dealers installed tags like the one you described to make  
> them seem like newer model years. In this simpler time dealers  
> titled the car in the model year that the car was sold in IE Sept  
> 1961 would make it a 1962 Model. Many of TR's are titled that way.  
> More than likely yours has a 1962 year title? TR3B were also hard  
> to move with lots of them titled 1963 when they were produced in 1961.
>
> Hope this Helps. British Motor Heritage Trust can do a title search  
> on your vehicle for a fee and give you all the details on your car  
> as to date, colors and options it had on it from the factory.
>
> Best of luck
>
> Bill Redinger
> VTR-TR2&3 Vehicle Consultant
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- 
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 3:18 PM
> To: fot Triumph
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 query
>
> Hello All,
> Can anyone help with commission # TS69978L, engine # TS48253E ?
> Where do these numbers fit into total production? Likely year of
> manufacture? The plate adjacent to the Commission plate says:
>           T R I U M P H
>              S T C - 6 2
> I've never noticed this plate on other TR3's. It is screwed on unlike
> the comm. plate which it riveted. Might it signify 1962?
> And finally, might this be a 2138cc or did they all have CT numbers.
> Thanks in advance,
> And CHEERS to Mark! Look forward to meeting you in Topeka.
>
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Aug 12 15:32:13 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:32:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 query
In-Reply-To: <B4785FE1-A6AF-4BE2-AC67-531138F5EC45@earthlink.net>
References: <B4785FE1-A6AF-4BE2-AC67-531138F5EC45@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <026201cb3a65$d4b3eb60$7e1bc220$@rr.com>

> Can anyone help with commission # TS69978L, engine # TS48253E ?
> Where do these numbers fit into total production? Likely year of
> manufacture?

That would seem to indicate the car was made fairly early in 1960, but the
engine is from an early 1959.  Last TR3A (in 1961) was TS83572, so it's
fairly late in overall TR2-3 production.  (Another 3500 or so TR3Bs were
made in 1962.)

>           T R I U M P H
>              S T C - 6 2

Those plates were apparently added by some (possibly all) US dealers, after
about 1960, only when selling cars as a later model.  So the "62" likely
does indicate that the car was sold "new" in 1962.  Here's a (poor) shot of
the STC tag on my Sports 6:
http://tinyurl.com/2awrm8l

> And finally, might this be a 2138cc or did they all have CT numbers.

I believe 2138cc was available as an option at that time, so it might have
been.  Only way to be sure AFAIK is to get a copy of the build certificate,
as the engine displacement was not marked anywhere else.  But since it is so
easy to change (and the 87mm liners were actually cheaper for quite a few
years), there is no telling what's in there now, short of measuring it in
some fashion.

-- Randall 


From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Aug 12 18:10:14 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 18:10:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND
 VINTAGE GRAND PRIX
In-Reply-To: <8CD0857AF3CB057-1494-89E9@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD0857AF3CB057-1494-89E9@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C648D66.2090805@bradakis.com>

Gee, it sounds so official!  And interesting timing.  A few folks on the
Triumph list might have some less complementary comments regarding
my handling of Team.Net.  So it goes.

By this time next week I'll be zipping down the road in my little red
Honda, heading for Heartland Park.  Should be a good weekend!

mjb.


From herald948 at aol.com  Thu Aug 12 20:09:19 2010
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 22:09:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] telescopic shocks for rear of TR4
Message-ID: <8CD08A3AC1AE749-838-71DD@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com>

 The subject line might be a bit misleading, as I'm not referring to any of
the currently available kits.

Thing is, last night I found my copy (1966 printing) of the Dave Allen/Dick
Strome _Triumph Guide_. Being easily distracted these days (why did I start
this e-mail...oh, yeah), I started leafing through and came upon something
very interesting at the end of the chapter on the "new" TR4.

There is a list of "Optional Equipment: (Under Development, to be released in
1962)" that shows, among other items (Part #0-02054TR4) Rear Shock Abserbor
[sic] (telescopic).

Perhaps Kas...or Mike Cook...or someone else can tell me if this is something
that ever did come about? I wonder, given the several kits recently available
from various sources, and the discussion / controversy / debate around same.

Anyone?

For anyone who's never seen this book, it's a great resource, worth whatever
you pay just for the description of the development of the TR2 and Ken
Rawlings' building of Buttercup! (If you don't know what "Buttercup" is, you
don't belong on this list! :-) )



--Andy Mace

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*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Aug 12 20:48:14 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 22:48:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] RAMADA INN     HVR ROOMS
Message-ID: <8CD08A91BFE0C10-1994-B6BF@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com>

TOPEKA BOUND?

I just received a report that all of the HVR rooms are taken.

With some discussion you might get them to add more rooms.

Doesnt hurt to ask....

Looks like we are seeing some last minute growth in attendees and entries.

WEATHER: Temperature is in a trend downwards Iowa will see 59/80 next week.

Joe


From mlcooknj at msn.com  Thu Aug 12 20:55:10 2010
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 22:55:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] telescopic shocks for rear of TR4
In-Reply-To: <8CD08A3AC1AE749-838-71DD@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD08A3AC1AE749-838-71DD@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY147-w4489901E0BECD9699A6F7FC8980@phx.gbl>

Hi Andy -

The telescopic shock kit never happened. It would have been most interesting
to racers and the SCCA rules didn't allow the conversion.

Mike

> To: fot at autox.team.net
> From: herald948 at aol.com
> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 22:09:19 -0400
> Subject: [Fot] telescopic shocks for rear of TR4
>
> The subject line might be a bit misleading, as I'm not referring to any of
> the currently available kits.
>
> Thing is, last night I found my copy (1966 printing) of the Dave Allen/Dick
> Strome _Triumph Guide_. Being easily distracted these days (why did I start
> this e-mail...oh, yeah), I started leafing through and came upon something
> very interesting at the end of the chapter on the "new" TR4.
>
> There is a list of "Optional Equipment: (Under Development, to be released
in
> 1962)" that shows, among other items (Part #0-02054TR4) Rear Shock Abserbor
> [sic] (telescopic).
>
> Perhaps Kas...or Mike Cook...or someone else can tell me if this is
something
> that ever did come about? I wonder, given the several kits recently
available
> from various sources, and the discussion / controversy / debate around
same.
>
> Anyone?
>
> For anyone who's never seen this book, it's a great resource, worth
whatever
> you pay just for the description of the development of the TR2 and Ken
> Rawlings' building of Buttercup! (If you don't know what "Buttercup" is,
you
> don't belong on this list! :-) )
>
>
>
> --Andy Mace
>
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
> Herald engine with wings.
> -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)
>
> Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
> Register: http://www.vtr.org
>
> Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph
Herald
> Database: http://triumph-herald.us
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Thu Aug 12 21:00:38 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 20:00:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim6LxST7ATE1Ndsn8d5ZxtZMXxjYQ_=NmXW42FY@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D9E3EAABB66C4A6992FC82466CA1CB3A@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

That was cool.  In the days before transponders, my wife and I used to work
timing and scoring a lot.  I remember Chuck Billington and Tom Foster were
racing the Tracer C Sports Racers nose to tail all the time.  I know we
called one race between them a dead heat since there were no cameras and no
one could tell who was in front at the finish line.  They loved it. 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mark Vaden
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 1:34 PM
To: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions


Steve was nice  enough to point out that I had the wrong link: here is the
correct one:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox316Add_kk

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Mark Vaden <markvaden at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here is a video that explains why Steve is constructing a retractable 
> rod.
>
>
> http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v
> =ox316Add_kk
>
> When my wife saw this - she responded "every inch matters".
>
> -Mark
>
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Steven Belfer 
> <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>wrote:
>
>> Mount it onto a retractable rod that can shoot forward at the 
>> start/finish line if necessary. :)
>>
>> ~Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2010, at 12:57 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
>>
>> I am about to install.
>>
>> What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the 
>> transponder?
>>
>> Any caveats?
>>
>> Orientation?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Joe
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>
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From triumphs at consolidated.net  Thu Aug 12 21:54:15 2010
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home PC)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 22:54:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 query
References: <B4785FE1-A6AF-4BE2-AC67-531138F5EC45@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <89CA5A3D58ED45B7802322C31C355864@0817C93C637E473>

Going from memory the chassis (body etc.) should be a 1960 or 1961 model and 
the engine is out of an earlier car (probably '57 or '58.)  (There is a 
Swedish web site that could tells us exactly) Mine was built in Ausugt 1959 
and chassis # TS57756L.

The total production (through 1963) was something like 86,000+- but '59 was 
the biggest production year and they could have hit ran the number that high 
in those next couple of years.

The engine number is enough lower I would guess it has had an earlier 
replacement at some point.  Chassis number and engine number never matched 
exactly, but the were usually closer that that.

I think they all had the STC number plate and as I recall it has no 
particular significance. Most have another number plate on the front chassis 
cross member.

As far as displacement, tough to say since oversized liners have been 
availabe almost since new.  I guess it started life as a 1998 cc, but who 
knows what it might be today.

That sound like a "spit and shine" question rather than a racers question 
:-)

Ken Gano



> Hello All,
> Can anyone help with commission # TS69978L, engine # TS48253E ?
> Where do these numbers fit into total production? Likely year of
> manufacture? The plate adjacent to the Commission plate says:
>          T R I U M P H
>             S T C - 6 2
> I've never noticed this plate on other TR3's. It is screwed on unlike
> the comm. plate which it riveted. Might it signify 1962?
> And finally, might this be a 2138cc or did they all have CT numbers.
> Thanks in advance,
> And CHEERS to Mark! Look forward to meeting you in Topeka.
>
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
> _______________________________________________


From dlhogye at comcast.net  Thu Aug 12 23:33:12 2010
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 05:33:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 query
In-Reply-To: <460143315.1294701.1281677427205.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2016823519.1294802.1281677592637.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Greg, 
That stc# is the year sold tag and they were screwed on. My car #46235 was built in March '59, shipped to Cal Sales, Dorothy Deans dealership, in Glendale Ca. in April '59, but the year sold tag has STC 60 and the title says first year sold 1960. You can send your number info to The Heritage Trust Museum in the UK to find out the specifics. They'll list all the info they have on the numbers as well as the options the car was sold with. It's nice info to have, and I think it cost around $50. They send you a formal certificate with official stampings and signatures. 
The frame # on the cross member of my car is related to the month and year the frame was made. Mine is Z 2 9. Feb.'59 is consistent with the my cars build date of March '59. 


See you next week in Topeka, 
Dave 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Gano, home PC" <triumphs at consolidated.net> 
To: "fot Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>, "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" <Lunkercars at earthlink.net> 
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:54:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 query 

Going from memory the chassis (body etc.) should be a 1960 or 1961 model and 
the engine is out of an earlier car (probably '57 or '58.) (There is a 
Swedish web site that could tells us exactly) Mine was built in Ausugt 1959 
and chassis # TS57756L. 

The total production (through 1963) was something like 86,000+- but '59 was 
the biggest production year and they could have hit ran the number that high 
in those next couple of years. 

The engine number is enough lower I would guess it has had an earlier 
replacement at some point. Chassis number and engine number never matched 
exactly, but the were usually closer that that. 

I think they all had the STC number plate and as I recall it has no 
particular significance. Most have another number plate on the front chassis 
cross member. 

As far as displacement, tough to say since oversized liners have been 
availabe almost since new. I guess it started life as a 1998 cc, but who 
knows what it might be today. 

That sound like a "spit and shine" question rather than a racers question 
:-) 

Ken Gano 



> Hello All, 
> Can anyone help with commission # TS69978L, engine # TS48253E ? 
> Where do these numbers fit into total production? Likely year of 
> manufacture? The plate adjacent to the Commission plate says: 
> T R I U M P H 
> S T C - 6 2 
> I've never noticed this plate on other TR3's. It is screwed on unlike 
> the comm. plate which it riveted. Might it signify 1962? 
> And finally, might this be a 2138cc or did they all have CT numbers. 
> Thanks in advance, 
> And CHEERS to Mark! Look forward to meeting you in Topeka. 
> 
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer 
> TR4 #314 
> Albuquerque NM 
> _______________________________________________ 
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From ikorey at comcast.net  Fri Aug 13 06:32:59 2010
From: ikorey at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 07:32:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] telescopic shocks for rear of TR4
In-Reply-To: <8CD08A3AC1AE749-838-71DD@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD08A3AC1AE749-838-71DD@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikisvnGPB=5=ZCrB9JdO8ibvqYHKF4ykiPcBKaC@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Andrew Mace <herald948 at aol.com> wrote:

There is a list of "Optional Equipment: (Under Development, to be released
> in
> 1962)" that shows, among other items (Part #0-02054TR4) Rear Shock Abserbor
> [sic] (telescopic).
>


Whether any were ever actually allowed by the SCCA or not, there IS a
version of the SCCA GCR that does list as acceptable a tube shock conversion
for the TR4. Bill Dentinger showed it to me before I bought my car in 1992.
I no longer have that GCR as it went to the new owner of my car when I sold
it in 2008. But I'm sure Bill still has it. It may be the 1961 edition.

Irv Korey


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Fri Aug 13 07:07:33 2010
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 06:07:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] RAMADA INN     HVR ROOMS
In-Reply-To: <8CD08A91BFE0C10-1994-B6BF@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <506840.42839.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Joe: Stop that temperature teasing. Yesterday the thermometer outside the shop said 107. Great advert for the race weekend..."come to Kansas and cool down"!
-Ed-

--- On Thu, 8/12/10, n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:


From: n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Subject: [Fot] RAMADA INN HVR ROOMS
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: brinke at cebridge.net
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 9:48 PM


TOPEKA BOUND?

I just received a report that all of the HVR rooms are taken.

With some discussion you might get them to add more rooms.

Doesnt hurt to ask....

Looks like we are seeing some last minute growth in attendees and entries.

WEATHER: Temperature is in a trend downwards Iowa will see 59/80 next week.

Joe
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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Fri Aug 13 07:14:22 2010
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:14:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND
 VINTAGE GRAND PRIX
In-Reply-To: <8CD0857AF3CB057-1494-89E9@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD0857AF3CB057-1494-89E9@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <002501cb3ae9$72065640$561302c0$@net>

Good Job (keep it up)

Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 1:05 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND VINTAGE
GRAND PRIX

TRIUMPH list:

Mark Bradakis will be our guest at the HVGP in TOPEKA next week.

Mark has made a MAJOR contribution to our hobby and we appreciate this..

If you come to Heartland Park next weekend, please stop in at the FRIENDS OF
TRIUMPH PADDOCK AREA and meet Mark Bradakis.

He will be hanging out with Kas Kastner and other cool people.

Also, if you are a VTR member or associated with the FOT, you are eligible
for
a high quality event poster sponsored by the VTR and it's Pesident, Blake
Discher.

Joe A.

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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Aug 13 08:42:57 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:42:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TOPEKA  FOT   PHOTOGRAPHER    VOLUNTEER
Message-ID: <8CD090CF4B03708-13E0-CA37@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>

FOT

I am looking for a volunteer to organize a GROUP SHOT of the FOT.

We cant let an opportunity pass like this.

We might consider doing one of all of the TR4s, too.

It should be suitable for publication with the requisite credits.

There is an open house at the track on FRIDAY night for the locals. This might
be a way to show your stuff and us get pictures.

Please help.

Joe A.


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Aug 13 08:49:45 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:49:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PERFORMANCE TRIUMPH CAMSHAFT DESIGNER TO MAKE APPEARANCE AT
 TOPEKA
Message-ID: <8CD090DE7E72EBB-2268-9@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>

TRIUMPH OWNERS:

LARRY YOUNG, camshaft designer will be bringing a sample to place on display
and for discussion.

Several of us are running Larry's camshafts and we are very pleased with the
design.

He will be in the paddock with us during the weekend and available to discuss
custom camshaft designs.

There's a lot of talent in the FOT....USE IT!

Joe A.


From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug 13 09:23:20 2010
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 08:23:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND VINTAGE
 GRAND PRIX
In-Reply-To: <9AA4BAB5BB2E49B5B86FDE99D6E777C5@Bud>
Message-ID: <976633.73778.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Same from me Mark,
 
  Not only have you made a major contribution to the group, but you realize
that its really kinda all your fault that we are even here to have fun
together...
 
 
HUGE thanks to you from all of us ;>)


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire

--- On Thu, 8/12/10, RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:


From: RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND VINTAGE
GRAND PRIX
To: triumphs at autox.team.net, n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 12:50 PM


I won't be there..but I sure am glad to see this happening for Mark...Thanks
Mark ..For your incredible Work for the Motoring World...
Racer bud
----- Original Message ----- From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
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Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 10:05 AM
Subject: [Fot] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND VINTAGE GRAND
PRIX


> TRIUMPH list:
>
> Mark Bradakis will be our guest at the HVGP in TOPEKA next week.
>
> Mark has made a MAJOR contribution to our hobby and we appreciate this..
>
> If you come to Heartland Park next weekend, please stop in at the FRIENDS
OF
> TRIUMPH PADDOCK AREA and meet Mark Bradakis.
>
> He will be hanging out with Kas Kastner and other cool people.
>
> Also, if you are a VTR member or associated with the FOT, you are eligible
for
> a high quality event poster sponsored by the VTR and it's Pesident, Blake
> Discher.
>
> Joe A.
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Aug 13 09:42:41 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:42:41 +0200
Subject: [Fot] PERFORMANCE TRIUMPH CAMSHAFT DESIGNER TO MAKE APPEARANCE
 AT TOPEKA
In-Reply-To: <8CD090DE7E72EBB-2268-9@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD090DE7E72EBB-2268-9@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001cb3afe$2b9684e0$82c38ea0$@com>

He should bring also lifters so that people can test them on the fly ;-)

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von n197tr4 at cs.com
Gesendet: Freitag, 13. August 2010 16:50
An: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] PERFORMANCE TRIUMPH CAMSHAFT DESIGNER TO MAKE APPEARANCE AT
TOPEKA

TRIUMPH OWNERS:

LARRY YOUNG, camshaft designer will be bringing a sample to place on display
and for discussion.

Several of us are running Larry's camshafts and we are very pleased with the
design.

He will be in the paddock with us during the weekend and available to
discuss
custom camshaft designs.

There's a lot of talent in the FOT....USE IT!

Joe A.
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Fri Aug 13 13:17:59 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:17:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] RAMADA INN     HVR ROOMS
In-Reply-To: <506840.42839.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <506840.42839.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C659A67.10100@pobox.com>

A cool (or rather not quite so hot) front is coming through on Sunday.  
It will probably stall before reaching Texas though.  Sorry Ed.  Kansas 
and Oklahoma will have lows in the 70s next week.
Larry

EDWARD BARNARD wrote:
> Joe: Stop that temperature teasing. Yesterday the thermometer outside the shop said 107. Great advert for the race weekend..."come to Kansas and cool down"!
> -Ed-


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Aug 13 17:22:03 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:22:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] ADVANCED DISTRIBUTORS trying to come to TOPEKA
Message-ID: <8CD095578F761D2-1074-4F5D@Webmail-m110.sysops.aol.com>

JEFF SCHLEMMER called a couple of times this week.

He is trying to clear his bench of 7 race car distributors before he leaves.

He wants to spend the weekend with the FOT and hang out and help.

Kind of a working vacation.

The price of success...your life is not your own anymore.

I hope he makes it but there are 7 racers depending on him.

Our weekend would be enhanced if he makes it.

Joe A


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Aug 13 18:11:46 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:11:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4    SCROLL SEAL CENTERING TOOL    THEY ARE DONE!
Message-ID: <8CD095C6B274572-2634-14F32@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com>

FOT,


A.R.E. produced these scroll centering tools in conjunction with Chris' VITON
SEAL CONVERSION project.

There are some folks interested in the centering tool by itself......SO,

$27.00 PayPal   to    n197tr4 at cs.com   will get you a centering tool shipped
to your tool box.

We researched the correct dimensions and these tools reflect that research. We
might surmise that the large scroll seal dimension is in error in the Factory
Manual as it appears to be too large for the split scroll seal by several
thousandths.

I contacted Moss as they offer a centering tool and we are discussing the
apparent discrepancy. We expect Moss to adopt our dimensions and Kas has
already used those dimensions in his new book.

So if you want/need what we think is a proper scroll seal centering tool at a
low cost, please go to my PayPal account. This assembly tool will work on the
stock seal or the conversion kit.

If you want our scroll seal conversion kit, with Chris' Viton Seal, the seals
will be in transit shortly.  I have exchange units on the shelf of the
modified OEM scroll seals. You might consider rounding up your exchange scroll
seal.

Regards,

Joe A.


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Fri Aug 13 18:19:27 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:19:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] RAMADA INN     HVR ROOMS
In-Reply-To: <4C659A67.10100@pobox.com>
References: <506840.42839.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4C659A67.10100@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087E4A3408@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

It's not the lows it's the highs. We were in the 70's last night, over 100 in
the daytime.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson




-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Larry Young
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 2:18 PM
To: EDWARD BARNARD
Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] RAMADA INN HVR ROOMS

A cool (or rather not quite so hot) front is coming through on Sunday.
It will probably stall before reaching Texas though.  Sorry Ed.  Kansas
and Oklahoma will have lows in the 70s next week.
Larry

EDWARD BARNARD wrote:
> Joe: Stop that temperature teasing. Yesterday the thermometer outside the
shop said 107. Great advert for the race weekend..."come to Kansas and cool
down"!
> -Ed-
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From rikrock at live.com  Sat Aug 14 04:22:46 2010
From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 06:22:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Duryea Hillclimb
In-Reply-To: <8CD090DE7E72EBB-2268-9@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD090DE7E72EBB-2268-9@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU139-W25022BF6BE25C89E7C16BBC6990@phx.gbl>

While many of you will be at Heartland next weekend, there will be some
Triumphs in Reading, PA for the Duryea Hillclimb.  Registered at this time
are:

TR4's....Dennis Williams, Dave Miller
TR7.......Tim Williams
TR6's.....Richard Good, JK Jackson


It's not too late to enter.  Just go to www.pahillclimb.org and download an
entry form

Rich Rock
Chairman, Duryea Hillclimb


From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Sat Aug 14 05:16:18 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 07:16:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] misc
Message-ID: <028601cb3ba2$1eec6260$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

Hi all, I saw a TVR on e-bay for sale in Perrysville, IN. Know anything about
this Joe?
Also a barn find TR6 race car project in Salado TX. Bob, that's your neck of
the woods isn't it? Looks interesting.
Someone else has a "project" TR6 and a Spit on e-bay. Lots of projects, too
little time.
Bill


From atr6racer at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 14 05:49:47 2010
From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 07:49:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Shelby wheels for sale
Message-ID: <SNT136-w58CD9B1097509363B4A3F1F9990@phx.gbl>

I have 10 15 x 7" wheels with a 4 x 4.5" bolt pattern for a Triumph with a
3.5" backspace. These are Shelby American sloted polished aluminum wheels.
Extremely light and 8 are in great shape, 2 not so great. I bought them new in
1975 and have not used them since 1987. I'll bring them to Heartland park next
weekend. $300 for a set of four and a not so good wheel for free for a spare.
That's them in the photo from 1976 with my Pop taking his first victory lap,
on Father's day no less! My all time favorite picture! Anyway if anyone has an
interest look me up in the paddock at HPT next weekend. I'm looking forward to
seeing everyone!

Sam Halkias

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg]


From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Aug 14 07:20:56 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 07:20:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] misc
In-Reply-To: <028601cb3ba2$1eec6260$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
References: <028601cb3ba2$1eec6260$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <4C669838.1030100@bradakis.com>

 > Lots of projects, too little time.

I know the feeling:

http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=48


mjb.


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Aug 14 09:21:35 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:21:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] misc
References: <028601cb3ba2$1eec6260$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <AA5CAFCA818F4C77AB78D754615D18B6@latitudefb1e41>

The TR6 barn find in Salado is an interesting car. It has some race car 
goodies but I think they want too much for what is essentially a basket case 
TR6. The fenders are flared with metal spliced in. The engine is built to 
some race standard but there is no telling if it has important stuff like 
cam bearings. In my book it needs to be torn down regardless and there is no 
claim of anything like Carillo rods, no Webers. I think they got a PI setup 
with the spares but it is my understanding that they are selling the spares 
separately. The headers look like small tube GT6 size to me. It came with a 
couple of overdrive tansmissions and some sort of locked diff. There is no 
sign of ever having a roll cage installed. My guess is that the original car 
was autocrossed.

Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
excellence.
Vince Lombardi
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" <william.tobin3 at verizon.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 6:16 AM
Subject: [Fot] misc


> Hi all, I saw a TVR on e-bay for sale in Perrysville, IN. Know anything 
> about
> this Joe?
> Also a barn find TR6 race car project in Salado TX. Bob, that's your neck 
> of
> the woods isn't it? Looks interesting.
> Someone else has a "project" TR6 and a Spit on e-bay. Lots of projects, 
> too
> little time.
> Bill
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Sat Aug 14 11:14:55 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 13:14:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] misc
Message-ID: <da0e.5efb8c97.3998290f@aol.com>

In a message dated 08/14/2010 6:33:08 AM Central Daylight Time, 
william.tobin3 at verizon.net writes:


> Hi all, I saw a TVR on e-bay for sale in Perrysville, IN. Know anything 
> about
> this Joe?
> 

Amici...

Speaking of TVRs...I can't remember if there has been much posted about it 
on FOT, but Dennis Delap has just finished an awesome restoration of a 
Triumph powered TVR.  Sure runs good on the race track too.  Dennis is an 
architect in his other life, and that fact hangs out all over in the 'Presentation' 
of his race cars.  They are always GORGEOUS.

Speaking of AWESOME and GORGEOUS...there is a super picture of Bill Babcock 
and the Peyote in the current issue of VINTAGE MOTORSPORT.  The Peyote was 
always AWESOME, but these days thanks, to Bill and some talented 
helpers...the term GORGEOUS fits pretty well too.

Sorry to be missing Heartland next week end (Bob Wismer (TR4) and I (TR3) 
will be racing at GRATTAN near Grand Rapids, but warmest regards to one and 
all.  Go FAST, race SAFE, and celebrate.

Bill Dentinger


From GRMTim at aol.com  Sat Aug 14 18:54:11 2010
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 20:54:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
Message-ID: <120528.4f4aa335.399894b3@aol.com>

I outlined all the tricks Group 44, Inc. used in a story, so anyone 
interested could duplicate it. The car handles very well and won a national 
championship with that set up. 

I am not sure if changing to something else would net a better car or not 
in this day and age. Let me know if you didn't see it and I will get it to 
you.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723


From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com  Sun Aug 15 07:57:15 2010
From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 09:57:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Ever seen this one???
Message-ID: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com>

Oil in the radiator WITHOUT oil in the water? Figuring head gasket but 
seems strange... I know I have a head bolt issue. New block had a repair 
- machinist said it looked good but it topped out at 90 ft lbs.

Had interesting overheating issue - runs fine 180-190 but when I turn it 
off, the water boils in the motor/radiator. 50:50 prestone... 4 lb cap. 
Water goes into overflow bottle but does not appear to be pulled back 
into the radiator when the engine cools. This was before the oil / 
radiator issue.

M


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Sun Aug 15 09:09:50 2010
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 09:09:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Support your little brothers,
 Order Puckett event regalia now!  [1 Attachment]
In-Reply-To: <117676.81525.qm@web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <117676.81525.qm@web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT134-w64C58FA30A36E9C3B19107909A0@phx.gbl>

Hello Triumph guys, Here's another unsolicited sale offer where you can
support your little brothers in the H modified "Over the Hill Gang" through
the purchase of some of our event regalia.  We are trying to have a yearly
event where the little cars can meet and run together and we are financing the
awards through sales of shirts, posters and dash plaques.  This year we will
be at the CSRG Charity Challenge at Infineon October 1.  Take a look at the
attached artwork and email me back if you are interested.

Cheers, Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM
TR4,TR6,TR7, AH 3000, Elva Courier, Hmod Bunce Buck



Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 07:49:40 -0700
From: hmodrenault at yahoo.com
Subject: Fw: [hmod] Order Puckett event regalia now! [1 Attachment]
To: dos_gusanos at msn.com







--- On Thu, 8/12/10, Henry Morrison <hmodrenault at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Henry Morrison <hmodrenault at yahoo.com>
Subject: [hmod] Order Puckett event regalia now! [1 Attachment]
To: "Hmod" <hmod at yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 10:20 PM





[Attachment(s) from Henry Morrison included below]





Greetings Over the Hill Gang,
It is time to support Hmod racing by purchasing your Puckett Cup regalia now.
Jamie Pfeifer has produced an excellent design featuring long time H-Mod
participants. R to L, Marty Stein, Siata, Don Baldocchi, Nardi Crosley and Don
Racine, Aardvark.

Three items will be available featuring the artwork:

Dash Plaque (free to event participants)   otherwise $5

T-
shirts.......................................................................
..$20

24" X 24" Poster..........................................................$15

Postage
.......................................................................$6.00
for a small flat rate Box via mail

or take delivery at the event.

I have until August 27 to collect orders, there will be a few extra available
at the event.

 Send checks to:  Henry Morrison
                               8 Punto Alto Ct.
                               Cedar Crest, NM 87008

Or I suppose I can take paypal at dos_gusanos at msn.com

Please include your size S, M, L, XL, XXL etc.

All proceeds will go to cover the costs of the Puckett Cup at the CSRG Charity
Challenge.

Thank you,   Henry Morrison

__._,_.___
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1 of 1 Photo(s)



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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Aug 15 10:13:36 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:13:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Support your little brothers,
 Order Puckett event  regalia now!  [1 Attachment]
In-Reply-To: <SNT134-w64C58FA30A36E9C3B19107909A0@phx.gbl>
References: <117676.81525.qm@web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<SNT134-w64C58FA30A36E9C3B19107909A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CD0AABF334486E-2634-29F61@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com>

ah yes,  in honor of Joe Puckett




-----Original Message-----
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Aug 15, 2010 10:09 am
Subject: [Fot] Support your little brothers, Order Puckett event regalia now!
[1 Attachment]


Hello Triumph guys, Here's another unsolicited sale offer where you can
upport your little brothers in the H modified "Over the Hill Gang" through
he purchase of some of our event regalia.  We are trying to have a yearly
vent where the little cars can meet and run together and we are financing the
wards through sales of shirts, posters and dash plaques.  This year we will
e at the CSRG Charity Challenge at Infineon October 1.  Take a look at the
ttached artwork and email me back if you are interested.
Cheers, Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM
R4,TR6,TR7, AH 3000, Elva Courier, Hmod Bunce Buck

Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 07:49:40 -0700
rom: hmodrenault at yahoo.com
ubject: Fw: [hmod] Order Puckett event regalia now! [1 Attachment]
o: dos_gusanos at msn.com



--- On Thu, 8/12/10, Henry Morrison <hmodrenault at yahoo.com> wrote:

rom: Henry Morrison <hmodrenault at yahoo.com>
ubject: [hmod] Order Puckett event regalia now! [1 Attachment]
o: "Hmod" <hmod at yahoogroups.com>
ate: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 10:20 PM


[Attachment(s) from Henry Morrison included below]


Greetings Over the Hill Gang,
t is time to support Hmod racing by purchasing your Puckett Cup regalia now.
amie Pfeifer has produced an excellent design featuring long time H-Mod
articipants. R to L, Marty Stein, Siata, Don Baldocchi, Nardi Crosley and Don
acine, Aardvark.
Three items will be available featuring the artwork:
Dash Plaque (free to event participants)   otherwise $5
T-
hirts.......................................................................
.$20
24" X 24" Poster..........................................................$15
Postage
......................................................................$6.00
or a small flat rate Box via mail
or take delivery at the event.
I have until August 27 to collect orders, there will be a few extra available
t the event.
 Send checks to:  Henry Morrison
                              8 Punto Alto Ct.
                              Cedar Crest, NM 87008
Or I suppose I can take paypal at dos_gusanos at msn.com
Please include your size S, M, L, XL, XXL etc.
All proceeds will go to cover the costs of the Puckett Cup at the CSRG
Charity
hallenge.
Thank you,   Henry Morrison
__._,_.___
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 of 1 Photo(s)

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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Sun Aug 15 11:32:28 2010
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 11:32:28 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW: [hmod] Order Puckett event regalia now! [1 Attachment]
In-Reply-To: <117676.81525.qm@web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <SNT134-w52FFA4BA6FAEBD87B9BA9909A0@phx.gbl>

Here's the url where you can check out our design, I momentarily forgot about
the attachment rule..................Cheers Henry


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hmod/attachments/folder/304226438/item/16706183
29/view


Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 07:49:40 -0700
From: hmodrenault at yahoo.com
Subject: Fw: [hmod] Order Puckett event regalia now! [1 Attachment]
To: dos_gusanos at msn.com







--- On Thu, 8/12/10, Henry Morrison <hmodrenault at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Henry Morrison <hmodrenault at yahoo.com>
Subject: [hmod] Order Puckett event regalia now! [1 Attachment]
To: "Hmod" <hmod at yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 10:20 PM





[Attachment(s) from Henry Morrison included below]





Greetings Over the Hill Gang,
It is time to support Hmod racing by purchasing your Puckett Cup regalia now.
Jamie Pfeifer has produced an excellent design featuring long time H-Mod
participants. R to L, Marty Stein, Siata, Don Baldocchi, Nardi Crosley and Don
Racine, Aardvark.

Three items will be available featuring the artwork:

Dash Plaque (free to event participants)   otherwise $5

T-
shirts.......................................................................
..$20

24" X 24" Poster..........................................................$15

Postage
.......................................................................$6.00
for a small flat rate Box via mail

or take delivery at the event.

I have until August 27 to collect orders, there will be a few extra available
at the event.

 Send checks to:  Henry Morrison
                               8 Punto Alto Ct.
                               Cedar Crest, NM 87008

Or I suppose I can take paypal at dos_gusanos at msn.com

Please include your size S, M, L, XL, XXL etc.

All proceeds will go to cover the costs of the Puckett Cup at the CSRG Charity
Challenge.

Thank you,   Henry Morrison

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From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com  Sun Aug 15 12:05:52 2010
From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 14:05:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Ever seen this one???
In-Reply-To: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com>
References: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4C682C80.2060705@twcny.rr.com>

cracked block - this is a new block to me and it had a repaired 
headbolt. my machinest gave it the thumbs up but the repair gave out 
when I torqued the head and cracked the block to the water jacket. At 
least I got most of the summer out of it.

Cracks me up, 1/2" and 9/16" wrenches and a 9/16 inch socket along with 
a slotted screwdriver was all it took to remove the head in 20 minutes. 
Gotta love it...

Sigh...

btw a few of you mentioned prestone and race tracks - this is my dad's 
old racer. Its out to pasture these days, autocross and sunday drives.

Thanks

M


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Aug 15 15:21:18 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 14:21:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Ever seen this one???
In-Reply-To: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com>
References: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <036501cb3cbf$cd9141a0$0301a8c0@randall>

> Oil in the radiator WITHOUT oil in the water?

FWIW, I've got a similar symptom : oily residue on the cap but coolant looks
clean.  I believe it's actually the remains of some Barr's Leak (or similar)
that I put in in a vain attempt to stop the headgasket leak.  In spite of
both professional and amateur flushing, I still get oily brown gunk on the
cap.

> Had interesting overheating issue - runs fine 180-190 but 
> when I turn it 
> off, the water boils in the motor/radiator.

That can be a symptom of crud (including old stop leak) built up in the
bottom/back of the block.

> 50:50 prestone... 

Too much, IMO.  70:30 will provide better heat transfer and still protect
against corrosion (and freeze damage down to 0F or so).

> 4 lb cap. 
> Water goes into overflow bottle but does not appear to be pulled back 
> into the radiator when the engine cools.

I had exactly the same problem.  The special 4 lb caps don't seem to hold
vacuum properly, meaning that air gets sucked in through the center of the
cap, instead of drawing water uphill back from the bottle.  Could also be
sucking air through the water pump seal.

My solution was to have my radiator shop install a standard 3/4" fill neck,
so I could use a modern radiator cap.  I haven't actually installed a
recovery bottle yet, but I'm confident it will work when/if I do.

Randall


From jerrybarr at charter.net  Sun Aug 15 16:46:42 2010
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 17:46:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Ever seen this one???
In-Reply-To: <036501cb3cbf$cd9141a0$0301a8c0@randall>
References: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com>
	<036501cb3cbf$cd9141a0$0301a8c0@randall>
Message-ID: <20990D77-2E43-4A71-9452-85892E2BD2E0@charter.net>

Hey! Scott and I take exception to your comment about Barr's leak! I getting
close to 70 and may leak a little but not Scott. In Wisconsin  your mixture
better be 50-50 because we see well below 00.
On Aug 15, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Randall wrote:

>> Oil in the radiator WITHOUT oil in the water?
>
> FWIW, I've got a similar symptom : oily residue on the cap but coolant
looks
> clean.  I believe it's actually the remains of some Barr's Leak (or
similar)
> that I put in in a vain attempt to stop the headgasket leak.  In spite of
> both professional and amateur flushing, I still get oily brown gunk on the
> cap.
>
>> Had interesting overheating issue - runs fine 180-190 but
>> when I turn it
>> off, the water boils in the motor/radiator.
>
> That can be a symptom of crud (including old stop leak) built up in the
> bottom/back of the block.
>
>> 50:50 prestone...
>
> Too much, IMO.  70:30 will provide better heat transfer and still protect
> against corrosion (and freeze damage down to 0F or so).
>
>> 4 lb cap.
>> Water goes into overflow bottle but does not appear to be pulled back
>> into the radiator when the engine cools.
>
> I had exactly the same problem.  The special 4 lb caps don't seem to hold
> vacuum properly, meaning that air gets sucked in through the center of the
> cap, instead of drawing water uphill back from the bottle.  Could also be
> sucking air through the water pump seal.
>
> My solution was to have my radiator shop install a standard 3/4" fill neck,
> so I could use a modern radiator cap.  I haven't actually installed a
> recovery bottle yet, but I'm confident it will work when/if I do.
>
> Randall
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Aug 15 16:52:04 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:52:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Ever seen this one???
References: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com><036501cb3cbf$cd9141a0$0301a8c0@randall>
	<20990D77-2E43-4A71-9452-85892E2BD2E0@charter.net>
Message-ID: <61D726E0A3B14B508B5C3BDEE822FB21@Bud>

Jerry....You get the GOOD HUMOR AWARD for today!...Good Job Man!
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Barr" <jerrybarr at charter.net>
To: "Randall" <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Ever seen this one???


> Hey! Scott and I take exception to your comment about Barr's leak! I 
> getting
> close to 70 and may leak a little but not Scott. In Wisconsin  your 
> mixture
> better be 50-50 because we see well below 00.
> On Aug 15, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Randall wrote:
>
>>> Oil in the radiator WITHOUT oil in the water?
>>
>> FWIW, I've got a similar symptom : oily residue on the cap but coolant
> looks
>> clean.  I believe it's actually the remains of some Barr's Leak (or
> similar)
>> that I put in in a vain attempt to stop the headgasket leak.  In spite of
>> both professional and amateur flushing, I still get oily brown gunk on 
>> the
>> cap.
>>
>>> Had interesting overheating issue - runs fine 180-190 but
>>> when I turn it
>>> off, the water boils in the motor/radiator.
>>
>> That can be a symptom of crud (including old stop leak) built up in the
>> bottom/back of the block.
>>
>>> 50:50 prestone...
>>
>> Too much, IMO.  70:30 will provide better heat transfer and still protect
>> against corrosion (and freeze damage down to 0F or so).
>>
>>> 4 lb cap.
>>> Water goes into overflow bottle but does not appear to be pulled back
>>> into the radiator when the engine cools.
>>
>> I had exactly the same problem.  The special 4 lb caps don't seem to hold
>> vacuum properly, meaning that air gets sucked in through the center of 
>> the
>> cap, instead of drawing water uphill back from the bottle.  Could also be
>> sucking air through the water pump seal.
>>
>> My solution was to have my radiator shop install a standard 3/4" fill 
>> neck,
>> so I could use a modern radiator cap.  I haven't actually installed a
>> recovery bottle yet, but I'm confident it will work when/if I do.
>>
>> Randall
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>>
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From atr6racer at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 15 17:02:27 2010
From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 19:02:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Wheels and other items
Message-ID: <SNT136-w404E8C3AD56AA0C59D4301F99A0@phx.gbl>

Both sets of Shelby wheels are now sold.

While I'm at it I have some TR6/TR250/TR4A-IRS items that I'll never use
again.

Complete ready to run racing differentials.
All are Welded. I have two 4.1 welded diffs. One was only used once with a new
ring and pinion gear. The other was run quite a bit in my old days. I also
have a 4.3 welded diff that I used once, the ring and pinion came from a
street car and is in great shape.

Newer 4.1  welded diff-  $700
Older  4.1   welded diff-  $500
          4.3   welded diff-  $700

If these don't sell as complete units I'll be taking them apart and will sell
the ring and pinion gears seperately. $250 each or trade for 3.45 and 3.7
gears.

I also have two complete Detroit Locker units and tons of spare parts to go
along. Truth be know is that I just can't use these with my TR6 race cars as I
keep breaking the units right where the ring gear bolts to the diff unit. Too
much power I guess. I once had 6 of these units but I have broken four exactly
as I just described. Until I started making big power back in the 90's the
units worked fine. When they break, it feels like a center came out of your
clutch, but in reality the case where the ring gear is bolted up just shears
away and it just sits and spins with no drive and any further damage to the
diff. Anyway I believe these will fit all IRS TR's, and possibly some other
Beam axles cars also. If you are interested let me know. $500 takes both good
units and all the spares I have left over. if you have any cases for them you
can build at least another two units with all the spare parts I have.

I hate shipping heavy stuff so if you have any interest in any of the above
items let me know and I can haul them to Topeka this coming weekend.


Sam Halkias


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Aug 15 17:09:41 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:09:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Ever seen this one???
In-Reply-To: <20990D77-2E43-4A71-9452-85892E2BD2E0@charter.net>
References: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com><036501cb3cbf$cd9141a0$0301a8c0@randall>
	<20990D77-2E43-4A71-9452-85892E2BD2E0@charter.net>
Message-ID: <038001cb3cce$f178b3a0$0301a8c0@randall>

> Hey! Scott and I take exception to your comment about Barr's 
> leak! 

My apologies to both you and Scott!!  The correct product name is "Bar's
Leaks".

Randall

PS, <G>


From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Aug 15 18:08:51 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 18:08:51 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Garage sale stuff
Message-ID: <4C688193.3080207@bradakis.com>

I too am trying to unload some excess items.  Check out

http://www.team.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=9

Currently listing a TR6 triple Weber manifold, a Kirkey seat,
and some Spitfire SUs and ugly manifold.  This stuff can easily
be hauled to Topeka with me, no shipping charges.

I may be adding more stuff later this evening and tomorrow.

mjb.


From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Aug 16 08:44:56 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 09:44:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Ever seen this one???
References: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001101cb3d51$999adea0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Common on alfas.   look at the head gasket near the
area where the oil feed to the rockers passes thru
a casting porosity is also possible cause

art de armond
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Eginton" <markconsultation at twcny.rr.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 8:57 AM
Subject: [Fot] Ever seen this one???


> Oil in the radiator WITHOUT oil in the water? Figuring head gasket but 
> seems strange... I know I have a head bolt issue. New block had a repair - 
> machinist said it looked good but it topped out at 90 ft lbs.
>
> Had interesting overheating issue - runs fine 180-190 but when I turn it 
> off, the water boils in the motor/radiator. 50:50 prestone... 4 lb cap. 
> Water goes into overflow bottle but does not appear to be pulled back into 
> the radiator when the engine cools. This was before the oil / radiator 
> issue.
>
> M
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Aug 16 08:53:28 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 10:53:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Duryea Hillclimb
In-Reply-To: <BLU139-W25022BF6BE25C89E7C16BBC6990@phx.gbl>
References: <8CD090DE7E72EBB-2268-9@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
	<BLU139-W25022BF6BE25C89E7C16BBC6990@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008161051280.11529@isis.mit.edu>

On Sat, 14 Aug 2010, Rich Rock wrote:

> While many of you will be at Heartland next weekend, there will be some
> Triumphs in Reading, PA for the Duryea Hillclimb.  Registered at this time
> are:
>
> TR4's....Dennis Williams, Dave Miller
> TR7.......Tim Williams
> TR6's.....Richard Good, JK Jackson
>
>
> It's not too late to enter.  Just go to www.pahillclimb.org and download an
> entry form

Ugh - bummer. I have a commitment at NHMS, NER/SCCA has a charity event 
this weekend and a lot of my core workers bailed. Go figure.

Maybe next year!

Tell JK I said "hi". Even if I am a "goddam yankee".

:-)

> Rich Rock
> Chairman, Duryea Hillclimb

regards,
rml
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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 16 09:09:24 2010
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:09:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Topeka and garage sale ...
Message-ID: <287017.63768.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Who from the Wi area is going to Topeka, that might be able to haul Mark B's Kirky seat back ... I'm interested, but would need someone to pick it up from him ....


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire


From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Aug 16 09:28:49 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 11:28:49 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Duryea Hillclimb
Message-ID: <bd96f.4de138ab.399ab331@aol.com>

In a message dated 08/16/2010 9:59:03 AM Central Daylight Time, 
lang at isis.mit.edu writes:


> > While many of you will be at Heartland next weekend, there will be some
> > Triumphs in Reading, PA for the Duryea Hillclimb.  Registered at this 
> time
> > are:
> 

Sure SAD news concerning the eight deaths at the California off road truck 
rally this past week end.  Watch for 20/20 Hind Sight having a big impact on 
that sport.  The trail lawyers ought to have a field day.  I doubt if the 
sanctioning body has deep pockets, but I believe the land is government 
owned.  Taxpayers may end up paying some claims.  

Hill climbs can have such issues as well.  I know the VSCDA used to do Hill 
Climbs at both Lake Geneva and Janesville in Wisconsin.  The Janesville 
event had a lot of historical significance because they used to do it in the 
1950s.  Race teams from around the country would telescope a stop for those  
events on their way to the Elkhart Lake road races.  But the VSCDA was unable 
to handle crowd control, and therefore stopped running those events.  

Bill Dentinger


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Mon Aug 16 10:08:04 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 11:08:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Topeka and garage sale ...
In-Reply-To: <287017.63768.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <287017.63768.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001cb3d5d$36213570$a263a050$@com>

Tom,
Ryan and I are going and could bring it back.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of tom strange
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 10:09 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Topeka and garage sale ...

Who from the Wi area is going to Topeka, that might be able to haul Mark B's
Kirky seat back ... I'm interested, but would need someone to pick it up
from him ....


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Aug 16 11:02:20 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 13:02:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Scroll Seal Centering Tool    Last call....
Message-ID: <8CD0B7BEC83965C-3C98-1628@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com>

FOT

I am shipping several tools today.

Offer is good until I return from Topeka next Monday night.

$27 including shipping.  PayPal   =   n197tr4 at cs.com

Price will always be better to FOT but not this good.

Regards,

Joe A


From emanteno at comcast.net  Mon Aug 16 20:48:56 2010
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:48:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Crew Passes for Topeka
Message-ID: <AANLkTin1-LvpQ=AKK5y-X0VC9dFOJsAxttuTJEwEHudW@mail.gmail.com>

Good evening.

If you are going to Heartland Park this weekend and have any crew passes
available (including overcrew), would
you please contact me off list?

Thanks,

Irv Korey


From rjl6n at cstone.net  Tue Aug 17 05:47:38 2010
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 07:47:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Racer
Message-ID: <3474d5d3570e30ca6083a8aa609fa854.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

Hi all,
     Some of you may have already seen this one, but
I thought I'd pass it on.  I know nothing more than
what you see here:

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/1900953451.html

John


From SpiwakD at aol.com  Tue Aug 17 06:01:29 2010
From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:01:29 EDT
Subject: [Fot] For Sale
Message-ID: <d4a2c.38124f2c.399bd419@aol.com>

Prices include shipping
 
steel scattershield for TR3. Covers the front half of the transmission.  
Custom made $45
 
fuel cell 10 or 12 gallons. Couple of minor dents in the bottom from gravel 
 excursions, but nothing serious. Packed with new foam $75
 
TR3 radiator. Stock radiator has just been rodded and leak-tested  $110
 
full set of 5-point belts by Safety Racing. Dark red color and perfect  
condition. Two years old this month. No sun fading. All hardware included. The  
shoulder belts mount on your roll bar. Still has 3 years left(for most of  
you). I have to change every two years for racing in New Jersey. $35
 
TR3 stock distributor with wires. Clean and ready to use $30
 
Dave Spiwak    _spiwakd at aol.com_ (mailto:spiwakd at aol.com) 


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 17 14:00:31 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:00:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] HELMET NEEDED AT TOPEKA
Message-ID: <8CD0C5DFB5B002B-1F80-1771@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com>

I went to buy a helmet and found that the new Snell approved helmets will not
be out until October.

Rather than getting one that will immediately expire, does someone have one I
can borrow?

This will be the first time that we have ever had two cars running at the same
time.

Might be the last, too.

thanks!

Joe


From igofaster at att.net  Tue Aug 17 19:47:19 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 18:47:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Can't make it to Heartland
Message-ID: <97396.66727.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hey Guys... been putting this email off for two days. After working the last 
week for about 30 hours on the GT6, I'm still not ready with the car. It busts 
my nuts to miss out on the event, but I'm still not running right after a 
complete rebuild on the GT6 motor. I've assembled the car and even ridden around 
the block sunday afternoon and I cannot get the back cylinders to fire. I've 
checked the SU's as best as I can and even installed those kick ass Mikunis from 
prirace.com and still not register of firing out of 4-5-6 cylinders. I've got 
spark, just no registration of gas O2 mixture on the EGR meter. My next step is 
to check the valves again, although I do stuff like that 3 times anyway. Point 
is, I should be loaded up tonight ready to hit the road in the a.m. and it ain't 
happening. It's busts my nuts... did I mention that? Anyway... I guess I get the 
tee shirt and that's about it... I'll post more as I move forward. My goal is to 
be at CVAR in September... yea I know Bob Kramer and Joe Hovey amongst others 
are coming from the CVAR group... I'll be there in spirit... Have a great 
time... I'll miss playing guitar with the bagpipes  : )  ....
BLUES man, BLUES....
Bobby Whitehead


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 17 20:04:34 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:04:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Product at TOPEKA
Message-ID: <8CD0C90D65F28BE-1BB8-9BA8@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com>

FOT,

I am bringing some stuff for various people as they have requested. Outside of
that I am bringing one or two pieces of a variety of stuff for display in the
vendor area.

I dont have Chris Marx' viton seals, yet, but I have the modified scroll seals
and Scroll Centering Tools..a few of them. Chris says North America will have
the seals by the end of August

Larry Young will have a performance cam with him and ready to discuss them.

Tony Drews will have a newly processed UJR ALLOY FRONT HUB on display and a
pair on his car. He expects to release several hub sets to production by
September and should be able to ship at that time frame. Not cheap, but well
designed and competively priced. He will also have the UJR HD AXLE SPINDLES
AND SPACERS on hand.

Ed Barnard will have some new Spitfire induction components to show.

I will have a small number of Kas' last three books on hand....buy them and
have him sign them.

Kas' new book may be printed in September....his printer is so excited about
Kas' new book that he is going to join us in Topeka.

A new AMBRO body in laid up fibreglass will be on display along with THREE
AMBROs at TOPEKA. Bill Bonadio will be on hand to discuss the Ambro/Dio in
detail.

I have the AMBRO trailer built by TOURNIER MANUFACTURING for anyone to see. It
can be built to your own specifications. This is the best trailer I have ever
owned and they can custom build a trailer at production prices.

Joe


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 17 20:07:45 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:07:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Can't make it to Heartland
In-Reply-To: <97396.66727.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <97396.66727.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CD0C914859BF7E-1BB8-9C6B@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com>

Cant you come without the car?....you dont need no stink'n car to have a good
time with your friends.





-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
To: Bill Rinke <brinke at cebridge.net>
Cc: Gary Fugua <GSFuqua1 at aol.com>; FoT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:47 pm
Subject: [Fot] Can't make it to Heartland


Hey Guys... been putting this email off for two days. After working the last
eek for about 30 hours on the GT6, I'm still not ready with the car. It busts
y nuts to miss out on the event, but I'm still not running right after a
omplete rebuild on the GT6 motor. I've assembled the car and even ridden
around
the block sunday afternoon and I cannot get the back cylinders to fire. I've
hecked the SU's as best as I can and even installed those kick ass Mikunis
from
prirace.com and still not register of firing out of 4-5-6 cylinders. I've got
park, just no registration of gas O2 mixture on the EGR meter. My next step is
o check the valves again, although I do stuff like that 3 times anyway. Point
s, I should be loaded up tonight ready to hit the road in the a.m. and it
ain't
happening. It's busts my nuts... did I mention that? Anyway... I guess I get
the
tee shirt and that's about it... I'll post more as I move forward. My goal is
to
be at CVAR in September... yea I know Bob Kramer and Joe Hovey amongst others
re coming from the CVAR group... I'll be there in spirit... Have a great
ime... I'll miss playing guitar with the bagpipes  : )  ....
LUES man, BLUES....
obby Whitehead
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From d.hesse at charter.net  Wed Aug 18 06:11:25 2010
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 5:11:25 -0700
Subject: [Fot] HELMET NEEDED AT TOPEKA
In-Reply-To: <8CD0C5DFB5B002B-1F80-1771@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100818081125.XOQLG.7156369.root@mp08>

Joe,
What size helmet you looking for? If anyone is going from the Madison WI area you're welcome to use mine. It's even wired for radio setup should you need that. Just let me know who/how to get it to them or you.
Dave Hesse
Portage WI
608-617-5667

---- n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:

=============
I went to buy a helmet and found that the new Snell approved helmets will not
be out until October.

Rather than getting one that will immediately expire, does someone have one I
can borrow?

This will be the first time that we have ever had two cars running at the same
time.

Might be the last, too.

thanks!

Joe
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Wed Aug 18 09:31:30 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:31:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] LA/OC/SD member going to Heartland Park
Message-ID: <AANLkTimwBrSb+Mx-yRtVCdfRY+-v8x_T2xU3KYMDWmpD@mail.gmail.com>

If anyone from Southern California would like to go I have an extra seat
available leaving tonight and back on Monday. Please contact me off list.


From whitedog72 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 18 15:27:23 2010
From: whitedog72 at hotmail.com (f s)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:27:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] St. L ouis All British Car Show
Message-ID: <BAY138-W496717E8DA656517BDC08C19D0@phx.gbl>

Hi All,
 This is kind of spam, but good spam. St. Louis All British Car show is a great little show and We are always outnumbered by MG's. So we are calling out all Triumphs around Missouri to come and help us out number MG's For once. 
 
Thanks
Andy 
72 EP Gt6
79 Spitfire
Barn full of projects. 
 
 
Get ready for an-other great show in St Louis, the 
Gateway to the West. 
This year!/s featured marque is Jaguar. 
Fri 10 September!*Parking Lot Party/BBQ for the St Louis ABCC, hosted by All British Car Repair at the host hotel, Red Roof Inn, Westport. 
11 Sept 2010 (C The Annual St Louis All British Car & Cycle Show, Creve Coeur Lake Park. Sponsors include All British Car Repair ((DThe MG Doc!,), Al!.s Automotive Supply, Conrad Press, Ltd., Hagerty Insurance, Hyman Ltd Classic Cars and Apple Hydraulics, Inc. 
Website at www.allbritishcarshow.com, 
online registration now available.  		 	   		  


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 18 16:39:26 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:39:26 -0600
Subject: [Fot] K.C. airport shuttle?
Message-ID: <DB21EEFA-1EE6-4F79-8C73-EE33DC8CC87A@earthlink.net>

Anyone plan on passing thru Kansas City tomorrow night? In theory I  
should pick Connie up at 9:30pm tomorrow at the K.C. airport and now  
there's a problem - After months in the works the T-shirts are now 3  
days overdue. If at all possible, I ain't leaving without them. If I  
can't get there in time for her flight she's going to have to rent a  
car, take a expensive shuttle, or bum a ride. Still possible I'll get  
there in time but...
Thanks,

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 18 16:58:44 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:58:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] K.C. airport shuttle?
In-Reply-To: <DB21EEFA-1EE6-4F79-8C73-EE33DC8CC87A@earthlink.net>
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Message-ID: <8CD0D400AE6BF2B-D00-3F71@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
To: fot Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:39 pm
Subject: [Fot] K.C. airport shuttle?


Anyone plan on passing thru Kansas City tomorrow night? In theory I should
pick Connie up at 9:30pm tomorrow at the K.C. airport and now there's a
problem - After months in the works the T-shirts are now 3 days overdue. If at
all possible, I ain't leaving without them. If I can't get there in time for
her flight she's going to have to rent a car, take a expensive shuttle, or bum
a ride. Still possible I'll get there in time but...
Thanks,

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
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From bluebit at comcast.net  Wed Aug 18 18:10:50 2010
From: bluebit at comcast.net (Jim%20Roelofs)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 00:10:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] racing fuel at HPT
Message-ID: <838545785.40911.1282176650470.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Sorry if I missed published information. Can anyone tell me if racing fuel will be available at Topeka? 

Jim Roelofs 
303-862-9371 (h) 
303-629-3545 (w) 
bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred) 


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 18 21:51:15 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:51:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] K.C. airport shuttle?
In-Reply-To: <8CD0D400AE6BF2B-D00-3F71@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com>
References: <DB21EEFA-1EE6-4F79-8C73-EE33DC8CC87A@earthlink.net>
	<8CD0D400AE6BF2B-D00-3F71@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <82120987-51CA-4D1C-8F6A-D069AFABB46B@earthlink.net>

Got the shirts. Got the airport details worked out. Got the inland  
freighter ready to be escorted out of the harbor. Got 800 miles ahead  
of me. Life is good.
See ya' in Topeka.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Aug 18, 2010, at 4:58 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:

>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
> To: fot Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:39 pm
> Subject: [Fot] K.C. airport shuttle?
>
> Anyone plan on passing thru Kansas City tomorrow night? In theory I  
> should pick Connie up at 9:30pm tomorrow at the K.C. airport and  
> now there's a problem - After months in the works the T-shirts are  
> now 3 days overdue. If at all possible, I ain't leaving without  
> them. If I can't get there in time for her flight she's going to  
> have to rent a car, take a expensive shuttle, or bum a ride. Still  
> possible I'll get there in time but...
> Thanks,
>
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Aug 19 11:00:06 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:00:06 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Fot] So long, farewell, ...
Message-ID: <20100819170006.193882E0D2@bradakis.com>

Okay, just about ready to roll on out of here.  Will see
some of you this weekend, should be fun.

I hope the servers behave themselves while I'm away.

mjb.


From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug 19 12:21:03 2010
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:21:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] So long, farewell, ...
In-Reply-To: <20100819170006.193882E0D2@bradakis.com>
References: <20100819170006.193882E0D2@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <284618.78980.qm@web80805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I hope you didn't say anything to the servers. They will miss you.
________________________________
From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To:
fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 1:00:06 PM
Subject: [Fot] So
long, farewell, ...

Okay, just about ready to roll on out of here.  Will see
some of you this weekend, should be fun.

I hope the servers behave themselves
while I'm away.

mjb.
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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug 19 12:23:45 2010
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:23:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
Message-ID: <41630.26439.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I know its bad timing because a lot of the midwesterners are headed for Topeka
... but I'm wondering if anyone is planning to run the ELVF next month ...
weekend of the 10th of Sep ...  If I'm going I need to fax in the entry today
or tomorrow.  I'm borderline on running it so I'm wondering if I would have
any company ...  spits ... gt6's ....  2s ... 3s ... 4s ... 6s ... ambros ....
anyone?


Tom

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#4 white spitfire


From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug 19 14:17:56 2010
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:17:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
In-Reply-To: <41630.26439.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <535627.10443.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Due to a question about my previous email ... yes Tr250's, Heralds,
Mayflowers, Standard 8's, Standard 10's and any other configuration of
Triumphs are welcome .... 
 
Sheesh ... wouldnt you know a lawyer would want to know who might have been
left out and slighted ;>)))))))))


Tom

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--- On Thu, 8/19/10, tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


From: tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
To: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 1:23 PM


I know its bad timing because a lot of the midwesterners are headed for
Topeka
... but I'm wondering if anyone is planning to run the ELVF next month ...
weekend of the 10th of Sep ...  If I'm going I need to fax in the entry today
or tomorrow.  I'm borderline on running it so I'm wondering if I would have
any company ...  spits ... gt6's ....  2s ... 3s ... 4s ... 6s ... ambros
....
anyone?


Tom

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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Aug 19 18:55:55 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:55:55 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
Message-ID: <20100820005555.58F162E0C0@bradakis.com>

http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=105


mjb, the lucky lad.


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 19 19:18:43 2010
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:18:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Oxford Ohio
Message-ID: <BAY123-W3249A883591237E9A849BBA9F0@phx.gbl>

Any FOT located in the Oxford Ohio area? Contact me if you have time, have a
request.

Marty


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Aug 19 19:19:56 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:19:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
In-Reply-To: <41630.26439.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <41630.26439.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CD0E1CEF6F02E4-1814-6CA4@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com>

I am thinking strongly about it. If I get through Topeka.





-----Original Message-----
From: tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Aug 19, 2010 1:23 pm
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America


I know its bad timing because a lot of the midwesterners are headed for
Topeka
.. but I'm wondering if anyone is planning to run the ELVF next month ...
eekend of the 10th of Sep ...  If I'm going I need to fax in the entry today
r tomorrow.  I'm borderline on running it so I'm wondering if I would have
ny company ...  spits ... gt6's ....  2s ... 3s ... 4s ... 6s ... ambros ....
nyone?

om
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Aug 19 19:37:08 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:37:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
In-Reply-To: <20100820005555.58F162E0C0@bradakis.com>
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OH NO!

>From Topeka.

Joe










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To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Aug 19, 2010 7:55 pm
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A


http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=105

jb, the lucky lad.
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Thu Aug 19 19:44:26 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:44:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
In-Reply-To: <20100820005555.58F162E0C0@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <801826.90806.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Wow

Looks like your lucky day. Buy a lottery ticket. Very glad to hear that you
were not seriously hurt.

Paul

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To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A

http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=105


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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Aug 19 20:20:58 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:20:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
In-Reply-To: <20100820005555.58F162E0C0@bradakis.com>
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Wow Mark, I am sorry for your misfortune but thankful you are alive.  I
guess that pretty much puts the KABASH on your trip.

Joe

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http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=105


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From jibjib at att.net  Thu Aug 19 21:32:33 2010
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:32:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
In-Reply-To: <20100820005555.58F162E0C0@bradakis.com>
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Mark,

I'm very sorry to hear about the accident, but I'm incredibly glad to hear
about it from you.

Jack

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Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:56 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A

http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=105


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From aerodin at swbell.net  Thu Aug 19 23:20:31 2010
From: aerodin at swbell.net (T.R. Young)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 23:20:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
In-Reply-To: <20100820005555.58F162E0C0@bradakis.com>
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Message-ID: <4C6E109F.1070406@swbell.net>

Wow, Mark, You can get another CRV but not another MJB! Here's to 
telling the tale! Awfully glad you're OK.

-Tom

On 8/19/2010 6:55 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=105
>
>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Aug 20 00:04:54 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:04:54 +0200
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
In-Reply-To: <20100820005555.58F162E0C0@bradakis.com>
References: <20100820005555.58F162E0C0@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <000101cb402d$9d083d60$d718b820$@com>

Sorry to hear that.
That was a serious impact.
Good that you are not badly injured.

Head Up!

Chris

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Auftrag von Mark J Bradakis
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Betreff: [Fot] So much for Plan A

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Aug 20 06:05:16 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:05:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
In-Reply-To: <20100820005555.58F162E0C0@bradakis.com>
References: <20100820005555.58F162E0C0@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008200804270.13587@isis.mit.edu>

Damn.

Glad you're okay, though.

rml
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Fri Aug 20 19:46:20 2010
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 21:46:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
In-Reply-To: <20100820005555.58F162E0C0@bradakis.com>
References: <20100820005555.58F162E0C0@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <DFEBE4E0B99B41A0AF50A95B5927D565@INSPIRON>

It so repetitive, there is only. glad your ok  and this to shall pass.  I 
have never liked the seat belt fitment in my van. We just can't help feeling 
safe as milk un till   were not. I will be stopping forward motion with my 
neck as well.         rob
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 8:55 PM
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A


> http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=105
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From LimeyV8 at aol.com  Sat Aug 21 20:31:34 2010
From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:31:34 EDT
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing...
Message-ID: <24ace.6bde361f.39a1e606@aol.com>

...is pleased to report that our Chump Car TR6 ran for all 7 hours  of our 
first Chump Car Race at Roebling Road today - and finished 14th  (of 34 
cars) overall ! 
 
Everyone (including us) was amazed - and all 5 drivers are all grins  
tonight.
 
I can't wait to do it again tomorrow.
 
Cheers,
Jack Mc


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Aug 22 16:47:56 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:47:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <8CD106332C3B5DF-1B10-1F737@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com>

FoT,

When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition,
this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.

The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.

Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after a
great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.

This is what it is all about......

John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at Leguna
Seca next June.  More details to follow.

Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.

We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
beverages.

Joe Alexander


From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Sun Aug 22 17:27:47 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:27:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=acc92jZeFBCeh2s=Z=K2z+szFzyuE0f_jMxYA@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations to Kieth Files for winning the 2010 Kastner Cup. In an epic
race won by 2009 SCCA E Production champion Sam Halkias, Kieth finished a
close second in his blazingly fast TR4. Followed closely by Tony Drews and
Jeff Snooker there were several great drives by Sean and Joe Alexander, Ryan
Murphy, Greg Hilyer and Dennis De Lap and others.  Full report will follow
along with photos.  Next race will be in June 2011 at Laguna Secs.


From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Aug 22 18:51:53 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:51:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <8CD106332C3B5DF-1B10-1F737@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD106332C3B5DF-1B10-1F737@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C71C629.1090008@bradakis.com>

Don't believe a word of it. It is all a hoax, a global conspiracy.  I'm 
sure it
was a miserable weekend, no one had any fun, it is a good thing I didn't
waste my time and money getting there for the festivities.

If you believe that, I have the title for this bridge....


I wish circumstances had been different, sounds like I missed a good one.

mjb.


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Aug 22 20:20:46 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 19:20:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <4C71C629.1090008@bradakis.com>
References: <8CD106332C3B5DF-1B10-1F737@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com>
	<4C71C629.1090008@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <0ae201cb4269$cc50ae70$0301a8c0@randall>

> I wish circumstances had been different, sounds like I missed 
> a good one.

The important part is that you've got a shot at the next one!

Randall


From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun Aug 22 20:42:37 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:42:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <8CD106332C3B5DF-1B10-1F737@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD106332C3B5DF-1B10-1F737@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C71E01D.9040304@pobox.com>

And...... the Bill Ames award was passed to Bob Kramer.  Bob has helped 
countless Triumphs get on or back on to the race track.  He's one of the 
best drivers I know.  He gives away parts, is a gentleman racer, and he 
has towed to almost all of the FoT focus events.  A great guy and worthy 
recipient.
-Larry Young

n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> FoT,
>
> When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition,
> this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
>
> The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
>
> Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after a
> great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
>
> This is what it is all about......
>
> John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at Leguna
> Seca next June.  More details to follow.
>
> Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.
>
> We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
> beverages.
>
> Joe Alexander
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Sun Aug 22 20:45:21 2010
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 02:45:21 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <1248693770-1282531514-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-399854327-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Congratulations to Keith....well deserved.  So wonderfull to hear all the accolades. 
Laguna Seca next year.. What a treat. 

------Original Message------
From: Joe Alexander
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
Sent: Aug 22, 2010 3:47 PM

FoT,

When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition,
this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.

The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.

Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after a
great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.

This is what it is all about......

John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at Leguna
Seca next June.  More details to follow.

Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.

We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
beverages.

Joe Alexander
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Aug 23 00:15:36 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 00:15:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
In-Reply-To: <DFEBE4E0B99B41A0AF50A95B5927D565@INSPIRON>
References: <20100820005555.58F162E0C0@bradakis.com>
	<DFEBE4E0B99B41A0AF50A95B5927D565@INSPIRON>
Message-ID: <4C721208.6080805@bradakis.com>

I'd like to thank you all for your kind and caring responses
to the news of my mishap on the highway.  It is nice to know
that many of you appreciate what it is I do with Team.Net.

And it reminded me that I should make some sort of contingency
plan to keep it going.  Had the incident on thursday been fatal,
Team.Net would have just fizzled out, no warning, no notice.
That would not be good.

When I wrote about Plan A, I was thinking there might be a Plan B.
I could have gotten a flight to Kansas, rented a car and made it to
the event at Heartland Park.  But even with a strong desire to make
it to the races regardless of circumstance, I think it was prudent to
sit home and lick my wounds, so to speak.  Having a serious side
effect or internal injury crop up many miles from home would not be
a good thing.

Again, my thanks to all for your concern.

mjb.


From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Mon Aug 23 01:23:07 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 00:23:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
In-Reply-To: <4C721208.6080805@bradakis.com>
References: <20100820005555.58F162E0C0@bradakis.com>
	<DFEBE4E0B99B41A0AF50A95B5927D565@INSPIRON>
	<4C721208.6080805@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikAmhDZZoHGNqCxQW2m_uXAemoedJL0cNgyrxFa@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Mark :
It would hearten you to know that I heard on more than several occasions how
disappointed we all were at your absence but gladdened that you were all
right.  We expect to see you next year to express our appreciation for all
that you do. It is highly unlikely that any of what makes this group so
wonderful would be possible without you. Thank you again.

On Aug 23, 2010 2:17 AM, "Mark J Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> I'd like to thank you all for your kind and caring responses
> to the news of my mishap on the highway. It is nice to know
> that many of you appreciate what it is I do with Team.Net.
>
> And it reminded me that I should make some sort of contingency
> plan to keep it going. Had the incident on thursday been fatal,
> Team.Net would have just fizzled out, no warning, no notice.
> That would not be good.
>
> When I wrote about Plan A, I was thinking there might be a Plan B.
> I could have gotten a flight to Kansas, rented a car and made it to
> the event at Heartland Park. But even with a strong desire to make
> it to the races regardless of circumstance, I think it was prudent to
> sit home and lick my wounds, so to speak. Having a serious side
> effect or internal injury crop up many miles from home would not be
> a good thing.
>
> Again, my thanks to all for your concern.
>
> mjb.
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 23 06:37:30 2010
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 05:37:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <4C71E01D.9040304@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <587337.60931.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Congrats, Mr. Kramer.

--- On Sun, 8/22/10, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:


From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
To: n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 9:42 PM


And...... the Bill Ames award was passed to Bob Kramer.  Bob has helped
countless Triumphs get on or back on to the race track.  He's one of the
best drivers I know.  He gives away parts, is a gentleman racer, and he
has towed to almost all of the FoT focus events.  A great guy and worthy
recipient.
-Larry Young

n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> FoT,
>
> When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition,
> this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
>
> The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
>
> Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after
a
> great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
>
> This is what it is all about......
>
> John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at
Leguna
> Seca next June.  More details to follow.
>
> Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.
>
> We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
> beverages.
>
> Joe Alexander
> _______________________________________________
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Mon Aug 23 13:43:59 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:43:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <AC95D585B8BD49BB9C16B6846E5CF7D8@latitudefb1e41>

I drove through the night and made it home at 5:30 this morning. The one
hour nap at the TX border helped. For all the worries about heat I think we
had a great weekend. Even the thunder boomers Friday were somewhat enjoyable
to this TX guy. The cloud cover Saturday and the breeze all weekend kept us
cool enough in the shade, if you had a good supply of dry t-shirts. Now that
I'm home I recognize that I lied to you all, it is hotter here. Oh well,
I'll have to unload anyway. I have a few shirts left.

I met a lot of people whose names I recognized from the list and I've got to
tell those that weren't able to make it that the FoT is growing and more
vibrant than ever. That Colorado clan has something going on there. What a
nice group of folks. Seeing them all together reminded me of my first FoT
exposure at Blackhawk Farms when Joe put me up in a tent for the weekend.
That type of camaraderie is the fiber that runs through all of us. I was
really pleased to see the young guys running and hear about even more in the
pipeline. My son had a great time and I think he is hooked for good. Thanks
for welcoming him. In his tired old TR4 he managed to get within 4 seconds
of his old man on our best laps. I'll need to get bigger mirrors for the
future.

Thank you  Larry for honoring me with the Bill Ames Award. I meant it when I
said that I was surrounded by a large group of people just like me, that all
deserve this award. I help where I can and so does everyone else. It's that
FoT fiber thing. When I started I learned so much from people like Joe, Jack
and Hardy P, as well as Ken G and Ted S and a long list of others along the
way. I still have a lot to learn. It was pretty cool to paddock nect to the
Champ. Sam is a genuine good guy. Racing his TR6 with the SCCA at the
highest levels might seem to put him in a different world, but he just like
us in every other way. Thanks Sam.

Are we going to be able look at laptimes on MyLaps, but I don't know for
sure. Bill or Gary, is that going to happen? I got in the habit of not
picking up laptimes at CVAR races because the data gets to MyLaps so
quickly.Just wondering.

Laguna Seca! I'll probably MapQuest the route a few dozen time this week. :)

Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch
excellence.
Vince Lombardi


From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Aug 23 13:44:20 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:44:20 EDT
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
Message-ID: <7f546.41f8982e.39a42994@aol.com>

In a message dated 08/19/2010 2:06:52 PM Central Daylight Time, 
tstrange at sbcglobal.net writes:


> I know its bad timing because a lot of the midwesterners are headed for 
> Topeka
> ... but I'm wondering if anyone is planning to run the ELVF next month ...
> weekend of the 10th of Sep ...  If I'm going I need to fax in the entry 
> today
> or tomorrow.  I'm borderline on running it so I'm wondering if I would 
> have
> any company ...  spits ... gt6's ....  2s ... 3s ... 4s ... 6s ... ambros 
> ....
> anyone?
> 
> 

Tom...

Bob Wismer and I have never (ever) missed an Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival. 
 And God willing...we won't miss this one.  And of course, the Elkhart Lake 
Vintage Festival is certainly not restricted to Midwesterners.  Great 
Chance to race one of the world's great road racing circuits, and enjoy 
Wisconsin's Indian Summer as well.

Bill Dentinger


Bill Dentinger


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Mon Aug 23 17:24:15 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:24:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
In-Reply-To: <7f546.41f8982e.39a42994@aol.com>
References: <7f546.41f8982e.39a42994@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004001cb431a$4e392650$eaab72f0$@com>

Ryan and I are planning to be there.  My turn to drive, hope we don't break
again this year.  After Topeka and the car running really good, we're pretty
optimistic.

Ryan and I were really pleased to be able to make the Kastner Cup for the
first time.  All the way back we were talking about how we could arrange to
get to Laguna Seca.  We had a fantastic time in Topeka.  Well worth the 1300
miles of towing!

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 2:44 PM
To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] ELVF at Road America

In a message dated 08/19/2010 2:06:52 PM Central Daylight Time, 
tstrange at sbcglobal.net writes:


> I know its bad timing because a lot of the midwesterners are headed for 
> Topeka
> ... but I'm wondering if anyone is planning to run the ELVF next month ...
> weekend of the 10th of Sep ...  If I'm going I need to fax in the entry 
> today
> or tomorrow.  I'm borderline on running it so I'm wondering if I would 
> have
> any company ...  spits ... gt6's ....  2s ... 3s ... 4s ... 6s ... ambros 
> ....
> anyone?
> 
> 

Tom...

Bob Wismer and I have never (ever) missed an Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival. 
 And God willing...we won't miss this one.  And of course, the Elkhart Lake 
Vintage Festival is certainly not restricted to Midwesterners.  Great 
Chance to race one of the world's great road racing circuits, and enjoy 
Wisconsin's Indian Summer as well.

Bill Dentinger


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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 23 18:13:18 2010
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:13:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Ambassador John Nikas
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=acc92jZeFBCeh2s=Z=K2z+szFzyuE0f_jMxYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=acc92jZeFBCeh2s=Z=K2z+szFzyuE0f_jMxYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <565950.74401.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI - I have to say that whenever our annual FOT event brings the East and
the 
West together the Triumph energy takes a quantum leap.  West coasters -
your 
presence was felt thru John.  Thanks for getting him out to Topeka. 
Also a big thank you to Gary Fuqua, Joe Alexander and Kas for having faith in
Heartland Park during August.

I just got back to Illinois and already miss
the sight of all of those racing 
TR4's
Thanks everyone.
Dennis


From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Aug 23 18:13:11 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:13:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
In-Reply-To: <004001cb431a$4e392650$eaab72f0$@com>
References: <7f546.41f8982e.39a42994@aol.com>
	<004001cb431a$4e392650$eaab72f0$@com>
Message-ID: <20100824001234.3D7FE187645@autox.team.net>

I'll be there too.  Sending in my entry now.

Tony Drews

At 06:24 PM 8/23/2010, Tim Murphy wrote:
>Ryan and I are planning to be there.  My turn to drive, hope we don't break
>again this year.  After Topeka and the car running really good, we're pretty
>optimistic.
>
>Ryan and I were really pleased to be able to make the Kastner Cup for the
>first time.  All the way back we were talking about how we could arrange to
>get to Laguna Seca.  We had a fantastic time in Topeka.  Well worth the 1300
>miles of towing!
>
>Tim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
>Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 2:44 PM
>To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net; fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
>
>In a message dated 08/19/2010 2:06:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
>tstrange at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>
> > I know its bad timing because a lot of the midwesterners are headed for
> > Topeka
> > ... but I'm wondering if anyone is planning to run the ELVF next month ...
> > weekend of the 10th of Sep ...  If I'm going I need to fax in the entry
> > today
> > or tomorrow.  I'm borderline on running it so I'm wondering if I would
> > have
> > any company ...  spits ... gt6's ....  2s ... 3s ... 4s ... 6s ... ambros
> > ....
> > anyone?
> >
> >
>
>Tom...
>
>Bob Wismer and I have never (ever) missed an Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival.
>  And God willing...we won't miss this one.  And of course, the Elkhart Lake
>Vintage Festival is certainly not restricted to Midwesterners.  Great
>Chance to race one of the world's great road racing circuits, and enjoy
>Wisconsin's Indian Summer as well.
>
>Bill Dentinger
>
>
>Bill Dentinger
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon Aug 23 18:29:25 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:29:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Just back from Topeka...
Message-ID: <BAY157-ds8459FD22FF5FC930AAA66C3830@phx.gbl>

Folks,

Just wanted to say that I personally had a great time, and it was a pleasure
to finally match up some names from the list to actual faces, and to meet many
new people as well.  There is genuine meaning to our "Amici Triumphi" motto
from the FOT coat of arms.  The heat and distance all pale in the warm light
of the camaraderie of our merry band.  It is truly an honor to be a part of
FOT.

Good cars, good competition, and great people.  Does it get any better than
that?

Thanks again for a wonderful time.


Terry Stetler


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Aug 23 18:54:39 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:54:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
In-Reply-To: <004001cb431a$4e392650$eaab72f0$@com>
References: <7f546.41f8982e.39a42994@aol.com>
	<004001cb431a$4e392650$eaab72f0$@com>
Message-ID: <8CD113E10D4FBB6-2258-3ACD@webmail-d050.sysops.aol.com>

I'd like to be there, but unlikely to run.

It will be an excellent weekend at Road America with the 60th Anniversary
being celebrated.

It's a must do.






-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Murphy <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: BillDentin at aol.com; tstrange at sbcglobal.net; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:24 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] ELVF at Road America


Ryan and I are planning to be there.  My turn to drive, hope we don't break
gain this year.  After Topeka and the car running really good, we're pretty
ptimistic.
Ryan and I were really pleased to be able to make the Kastner Cup for the
irst time.  All the way back we were talking about how we could arrange to
et to Laguna Seca.  We had a fantastic time in Topeka.  Well worth the 1300
iles of towing!
Tim
-----Original Message-----
rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
ehalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
ent: Monday, August 23, 2010 2:44 PM
o: tstrange at sbcglobal.net; fot at autox.team.net
ubject: Re: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
In a message dated 08/19/2010 2:06:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
strange at sbcglobal.net writes:

 I know its bad timing because a lot of the midwesterners are headed for
 Topeka
 ... but I'm wondering if anyone is planning to run the ELVF next month ...
 weekend of the 10th of Sep ...  If I'm going I need to fax in the entry
 today
 or tomorrow.  I'm borderline on running it so I'm wondering if I would
 have
 any company ...  spits ... gt6's ....  2s ... 3s ... 4s ... 6s ... ambros
 ....
 anyone?


Tom...
Bob Wismer and I have never (ever) missed an Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival.
And God willing...we won't miss this one.  And of course, the Elkhart Lake
intage Festival is certainly not restricted to Midwesterners.  Great
hance to race one of the world's great road racing circuits, and enjoy
isconsin's Indian Summer as well.
Bill Dentinger

ill Dentinger
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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Mon Aug 23 19:41:00 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:41:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6/Spitfire master cylinder bracket
Message-ID: <4C73232C.4000701@cfl.rr.com>

  Does anyone have a spare brake/clutch master cylinder mounting bracket 
they would like to sell?

thxx,
Bob


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Aug 23 20:00:43 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:00:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Larry Young Camshaft
Message-ID: <8CD11474B8A43FE-AF0-65EF@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com>

FOT,

We think the Larry Young camshaft brought life to our engine in our prefered
RPM range, that it has never seen before.

We have another on order.

It would be good to have an order of six, according to Larry.

This might be a good time to jump in on the fastwagon.

Joe & Sean


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Aug 23 20:35:50 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:35:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS   Plan A
Message-ID: <8CD114C338C699E-AF0-6D49@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com>

FOT:

I heard a rumor that a 'cracked' billet crank could be repaired....at a high
cost.

I have a billet crank that does not 'ring' true when tapped by a hammer.

It is assumed that it is defective.

Does any one have knowledge of reclaiming said crank?

Might be a good topic for all.

Thanks!

Joe & Sean


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Aug 23 21:00:12 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:00:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO REUNION / GATHERING A SUCCESS at Topeka
Message-ID: <8CD114F9AFF2BFE-AF0-7210@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com>

FOT and TOPEKA ENTRANTS

You might have noticed.....there were three AMBROs at TOPEKA.

One writer was fascinated by AMBRO #97 and wanted to do a short article in a
magazine. We gathered the three Ambros together for a photo shoot and they may
make appearances in the higher quality Vintage/Classic magazines. Fun stuff,
especially after all of the work building one and running it for the first
time.

The two other AMBROS are owned by Bill Bonadio (Chev V-8) and Mike Fuchs
(Chevy V-8)


Status of current AMBRO builds:

AMBRO    ARE-001    TR4    powered     finished
AMBRO    ARE-002    MG    powered      work in process
AMBRO    ARE-003    GT6   powered      work in process
AMBRO    ARE-004    GT6   powered      shipped
AMBRO    ARE-005    ------   powered      proposal pending

These build efforts are a tribute to Bill Ames.

Additionally, the most recent recipient of the Bill Ames Memorial was Bob
Kramer when Larry Young passed it on to Bob at TOPEKA.

Very deservedly so.......Congratulations Bob!

Joe A


From aerodin at swbell.net  Mon Aug 23 21:05:41 2010
From: aerodin at swbell.net (T.R. Young)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:05:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <4C71E01D.9040304@pobox.com>
References: <8CD106332C3B5DF-1B10-1F737@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com>
	<4C71E01D.9040304@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <4C733705.9070303@swbell.net>

Here Here! Well deserved, Bob!

On 8/22/2010 8:42 PM, Larry Young wrote:
> And...... the Bill Ames award was passed to Bob Kramer.  Bob has helped
> countless Triumphs get on or back on to the race track.  He's one of the
> best drivers I know.  He gives away parts, is a gentleman racer, and he
> has towed to almost all of the FoT focus events.  A great guy and worthy
> recipient.
> -Larry Young
>
> n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
>    
>> FoT,
>>
>> When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition,
>> this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
>>
>> The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
>>
>> Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after a
>> great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
>>
>> This is what it is all about......
>>
>> John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at Leguna
>> Seca next June.  More details to follow.
>>
>> Of course Kas&  Peg were a delight.
>>
>> We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
>> beverages.
>>
>> Joe Alexander
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Tue Aug 24 03:14:02 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 02:14:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] We made it!
Message-ID: <AANLkTin4JBfTaU8RhXoihQT+cDLVSAkb0ucbzj2hwWzm@mail.gmail.com>

Just wanted to let you know that after 29 hours and 1669 miles Luke and I
are just now arriving in Orange County.  It was a perfect weekend.  Thanks
to you all so much. Luke said pictures will be up by the end of the week.


From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Tue Aug 24 06:27:23 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:27:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
References: <41630.26439.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008301cb4387$b507e2f0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

I'm headed for Watkins Glen that weekend. Too bad that there's a date
conflict.
As for the meeting in June; not that I plan on going, but it seems Monterey
is 2662 miles away from Erie, 43 hours driving time (give or take), and I've
never seen the Pacific Ocean.............Plus my long deceased brother went
to U of W.  I could always go to Seattle for a tour and maybe do a race
there too, just to fill out the trip......
California dreaming......
Bill----- Original Message -----
From: "tom strange" <tstrange at sbcglobal.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 2:23 PM
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America


> I know its bad timing because a lot of the midwesterners are headed for
Topeka
> ... but I'm wondering if anyone is planning to run the ELVF next month ...
> weekend of the 10th of Sep ...  If I'm going I need to fax in the entry
today
> or tomorrow.  I'm borderline on running it so I'm wondering if I would
have
> any company ...  spits ... gt6's ....  2s ... 3s ... 4s ... 6s ... ambros
....
> anyone?
>
>
> Tom
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm
>
>
> #4 white spitfire
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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Tue Aug 24 07:36:03 2010
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:36:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca
Message-ID: <AANLkTikHfPcPaunz7tX1wwXn0PeWvo-vTUndJ37CxgP2@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know if this is to early to start thinking about how some of
us Easterners (yes I consider myself an Easterner because we live in
the eastern time zone!) can maybe get together and rent a transporter
to make the trip.

I've dealt with two different transporters that I would trust with our
vehicles.  One uses an enclosed trailer that could handle probably 6
vehicles.  The other is a hot shot trucker with an open 40 foot
trailer that could probably haul 3 cars plus misc equipment.  Most
people don't like open trailers and the only reason I mention this guy
is I consider him trust worthy and I know he watches over his loads
wherever he goes.

Depending on circumstances we might be interested in sharing a common
transport with others that want to head from the easter half of the
country to Laguna Seca.

So for those of you who might want to have your car transported to CA
and back feel free to contact me off list.

Brad


From herald948 at aol.com  Tue Aug 24 08:35:14 2010
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:35:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] GT6/Spitfire master cylinder bracket
In-Reply-To: <4C73232C.4000701@cfl.rr.com>
References: <4C73232C.4000701@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8CD11B0B28338E3-30C-50E@webmail-d056.sysops.aol.com>

 Which bracket do you want? Depending on the year, they are very different
(inasmuch as some of the brake master mounting brackets are much more
reinforced). That said, I'm afraid I don't have any to spare (either way) at
the moment.



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
Database: http://triumph-herald.us




-----Original Message-----
From: Bob <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>

  Does anyone have a spare brake/clutch master cylinder mounting bracket they
would like to sell?


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 24 08:42:49 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:42:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikHfPcPaunz7tX1wwXn0PeWvo-vTUndJ37CxgP2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikHfPcPaunz7tX1wwXn0PeWvo-vTUndJ37CxgP2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CD11B1C26A58CF-83C-FFEE@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>

Excellent!

Not too soon to plan.

There are others that are discussing this and shared information would be
useful.

John Nikas is thinking in terms of 75 Triumphs.

Joe

NOTE:  Sanctioning Body and Venue now needs to be decided for 2012 for the
60th Anniversary. We have two invitations, and several ideas. The ideas have
not yet developed into proposals.

This will not be a unilateral decision.....it will be based on the best
proposal that serves the best interests
of the FOT.






-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 8:36 am
Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca


I don't know if this is to early to start thinking about how some of
s Easterners (yes I consider myself an Easterner because we live in
he eastern time zone!) can maybe get together and rent a transporter
o make the trip.
I've dealt with two different transporters that I would trust with our
ehicles.  One uses an enclosed trailer that could handle probably 6
ehicles.  The other is a hot shot trucker with an open 40 foot
railer that could probably haul 3 cars plus misc equipment.  Most
eople don't like open trailers and the only reason I mention this guy
s I consider him trust worthy and I know he watches over his loads
herever he goes.
Depending on circumstances we might be interested in sharing a common
ransport with others that want to head from the easter half of the
ountry to Laguna Seca.
So for those of you who might want to have your car transported to CA
nd back feel free to contact me off list.
Brad
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From gt6steve at aol.com  Tue Aug 24 09:59:30 2010
From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 11:59:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6/Spitfire master cylinder bracket
In-Reply-To: <4C73232C.4000701@cfl.rr.com>
References: <4C73232C.4000701@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8CD11BC7848E08D-128-114A1@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com>

Hey Bob,  I'm pretty sure I could get you one on the weekend if you're not in
a big rush.  You'd have to cover shipping...

Steve






-----Original Message-----
From: Bob <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:41 pm
Subject: [Fot] GT6/Spitfire master cylinder bracket


Does anyone have a spare brake/clutch master cylinder mounting bracket they
would like to sell?

thxx,
Bob
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue Aug 24 10:48:08 2010
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:48:08 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park
Message-ID: <E9B2BAEDFE2C4835BBC978B43794A614@homekeith>

Dear All,

 

I would like to thank you all for making the event so special; the warmth
and affection that you showed to me, Denise, my mad brother, Imelda and
Simon was truly exceptional - we love coming over and racing with you guys
and will continue to do so for many more years to come.

 

The real high point of the weekend was to receive the Kastner Cup from Kas
himself; it was a humbling experience especially when I consider the high
calibre of cars and fellow racers that were in the mix and all deserving of
the trophy in your own special way. You should all know that the Cup hasn't
actually left the US as there was enough trouble with US Immigration on the
way in without looking for more trouble on the way out :-)

 

I would like to give a big shout out to Joe Alexander for not only making
Heartland Park happen but for getting me away from my mighty TR6 and into
the 4 pot camp; a plot that that was hatched after VIR in 2004 whilst we
were driving back to Iowa via Memphis (Denise is a BIG Elvis fan), St Louis,
the Mississippi and other parts of the mid-west. 

 

A great weekend, so many special people (too many to mention individually)
so a big thank you to you all once more.

 

See you at Laguna Seca in 2011.

 

Cheers, Keith & Denise


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 24 11:19:33 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:19:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR/FOT HEARTLAND KASTNER CUP POSTER Featuring Sam Halkias
Message-ID: <8CD11C7A75C80C3-9D0-2A44@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>

This is an exceptional piece...heavy stock, 11 x 17

it is the second one produced by blake discher for the kastner cup and likely
not the last

if you are not a vtr member, you should consider it.

with FOT Mike Cook at the helm of the magazine, the magazine is well worth
it.

anyway, for $12 it will get you a poster, mailing tube, and shipping.

it features sam halkias, who showed us the way at TOPEKA.

PayPal  to   n197tr4 at cs.com   and i'll get it to you as soon as i can.

cash goes to the FOT coffers.

JOE A


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 24 11:49:07 2010
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:49:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca
In-Reply-To: <8CD11B1C26A58CF-83C-FFEE@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
References: <AANLkTikHfPcPaunz7tX1wwXn0PeWvo-vTUndJ37CxgP2@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CD11B1C26A58CF-83C-FFEE@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <11561.8822.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'd like to have my car on the transporter.
Keep me in the loop.
Dennis


Excellent!

Not too soon to plan.


From dlhogye at comcast.net  Tue Aug 24 12:25:52 2010
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:25:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <1423103039.271196.1282674329971.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <934743704.271217.1282674352742.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

FoT, 


Kas does not necessarily have an easy decision to make when it comes down to this group of drivers and their cars. A quality bunch with some really neat and fast old machines for sure. Keith must have made the choice for the Kasnter Cup a bit easier. He's a smooth and fast driver and has a fast and tidy car. It was a real pleasure spending some time with him and his wife Denise, his bro Cliff, Imelda, and his tuner friend, Simon. I felt it was appropriate that Bob Kramer was the recipient for the Bill Ames Award; I've experienced his generosity and support. The FoT are a special group and I'm thankful to be included. A b ig congratulations to Keith and Bob and a big thanks to Joe and his tremendous efforts in bringing us together for this event. 


Dave Hogye 


p.s. Oh, and Joe, thanks for letting me drive the Ambro. It was worth the trip just to sneak it on the track for a couple of laps. 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: n197tr4 at cs.com 
To: fot at autox.team.net 
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 3:47:56 PM 
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup 

FoT, 

When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition, 
this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever. 

The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show. 

Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after a 
great drive and a very consistently fast weekend. 

This is what it is all about...... 

John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at Leguna 
Seca next June. More details to follow. 

Of course Kas & Peg were a delight. 

We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult 
beverages. 

Joe Alexander 
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 24 12:47:53 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:47:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] New FOT MEMBER   -   SIMON WATSON   (UK)
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Please welcome Simon Watson to the FOT.

He is being sponsored by Keith Files. See a brief on his background below.

Many met him at TOPEKA for the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix.

Certainly a potential valuable resource to us, a good friend, and a
gentleman..

I need to get an email address to Mark Bradakis...give me a moment before you
try to contact him.

Joe Alexander

PS: Please be looking for details on a new approach to gaining 'membership' in
the FOT. The old way is not working well and needs to be changed.





Simon Watson b he is the parts manager for TR Enterprises here in England;
they look after my TR6 as well as one of the 57 Sebring TR3s (it came 2nd in
class so it wasnbt the one that Bob Johns drove). He also races FIA TR4s
that belong to his father, holds an International Historic C Race license and
an International Historic Rally license b he is also a bit of an archivist
and does all of the FIA paperwork for significant race and rally cars.


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 24 12:57:49 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:57:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Race engines
In-Reply-To: <20100824184440.0QUHU.170181.root@hrndva-web19-z01>
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FOT: Anyone have full name and contact information on our two friends in
Florida?

Thanks,

Joe


-----Original Message-----
To: n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 1:44 pm
Subject: Race engines



Please e-mail or call me with the name and or phone number for a person or
ompany any where around Florida who might be doing top notch engine work. If
ou would call, I would appreciate it.  Just so you know, I got your name and
-mail from Mark Macy @ Macy's garage. My name is Rick Rone.    Thank you in
advance.
Rick


From tedtsimx at bright.net  Tue Aug 24 13:27:43 2010
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 15:27:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca
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Joe and list. In terms of historic significance, the most logical choice 
is Sebring.  It is Sebring's 60th anniversary of the 12 Hour. Triumph 
had a strong presence at the track over the years. Kas was a major 
player at the track with the TR effort (and with Nissan if we dare say 
that word), FOT member Ed Diehl drove the race in one of the factory 
TR4's, etc. Downside is the 12 Hour is a very busy week-end and 
depending on support races track time is ???  But, if  you want to be 
part of a truly historic event, this is worth looking at.  No where else 
will you be able to show the cars in front of 100,000 + people .  Ted



n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> Excellent!
>
> Not too soon to plan.
>
> There are others that are discussing this and shared information would be
> useful.
>
> John Nikas is thinking in terms of 75 Triumphs.
>
> Joe
>
> NOTE:  Sanctioning Body and Venue now needs to be decided for 2012 for the
> 60th Anniversary. We have two invitations, and several ideas. The ideas have
> not yet developed into proposals.
>
> This will not be a unilateral decision.....it will be based on the best
> proposal that serves the best interests
> of the FOT.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com>
> To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 8:36 am
> Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca
>
>
> I don't know if this is to early to start thinking about how some of
> s Easterners (yes I consider myself an Easterner because we live in
> he eastern time zone!) can maybe get together and rent a transporter
> o make the trip.
> I've dealt with two different transporters that I would trust with our
> ehicles.  One uses an enclosed trailer that could handle probably 6
> ehicles.  The other is a hot shot trucker with an open 40 foot
> railer that could probably haul 3 cars plus misc equipment.  Most
> eople don't like open trailers and the only reason I mention this guy
> s I consider him trust worthy and I know he watches over his loads
> herever he goes.
> Depending on circumstances we might be interested in sharing a common
> ransport with others that want to head from the easter half of the
> ountry to Laguna Seca.
> So for those of you who might want to have your car transported to CA
> nd back feel free to contact me off list.
> Brad
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Aug 24 14:03:16 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 15:03:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] New FOT MEMBER   -   SIMON WATSON   (UK)
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Second to Simon Watson.  Had the chance to talk to him at Topeka.  Great
guy.  Was able to discuss some TR5 issues with him and he was most generous
in his information and time.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 1:48 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] New FOT MEMBER - SIMON WATSON (UK)

Please welcome Simon Watson to the FOT.

He is being sponsored by Keith Files. See a brief on his background below.

Many met him at TOPEKA for the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix.

Certainly a potential valuable resource to us, a good friend, and a
gentleman..

I need to get an email address to Mark Bradakis...give me a moment before
you
try to contact him.

Joe Alexander

PS: Please be looking for details on a new approach to gaining 'membership'
in
the FOT. The old way is not working well and needs to be changed.





Simon Watson b he is the parts manager for TR Enterprises here in England;
they look after my TR6 as well as one of the 57 Sebring TR3s (it came 2nd in
class so it wasnbt the one that Bob Johns drove). He also races FIA TR4s
that belong to his father, holds an International Historic C Race license
and
an International Historic Rally license b he is also a bit of an archivist
and does all of the FIA paperwork for significant race and rally cars.
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 24 14:55:23 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:55:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Suggestions for the 60th Anniversary of Triumphs
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Ted,

Excellent offering!  And certainly a candidate to consider.

Track time is severely limited, usually, but if that is not an issue, it
certainly is an adventure. I have been there three times and once drove a MGB
to a stunning last place finish.

All we need is a PROPOSAL from someone that contains a confirmation that we
are being invited to come by the sanctioning body and what they have in mind
for us.

A real visionary would propose a CLASSIC 12 HOURS OF SEBRING race for 1.2
Hours of racing  prior to the real 12 HOURS of SEBRING.....like they do at THE
24 HOURS OF LE MANS.....that has grown into a serious vintage event.

Ted, do you have someone that could make a proposal?  We need someone to lead
that effort.

THANKS!

Joe Alexander


Joe and list. In terms of historic significance, the most logical choice is
Sebring. It is Sebring's 60th anniversary of the 12 Hour. Triumph had a strong
presence at the track over the years. Kas was a major player at the track with
the TR effort (and with Nissan if we dare say that word), FOT member Ed Diehl
drove the race in one of the factory TR4's, etc. Downside is the 12 Hour is a
very busy week-end and depending on support races track time is ??? But, if
you want to be part of a truly historic event, this is worth looking at. No
where else will you be able to show the cars in front of 100,000 + people .
Ted


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Tue Aug 24 16:21:28 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:21:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
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Message-ID: <F5FD1ACC2A464DDDA6578F0697AD4AAD@rocky>

Just wanted to say thanks to you, Joe, and Bill Rinke, for inviting me down 
as a VIP (probably oughta be VUP, but they didn't have any passes printed up 
that way).

Fun to put my Spitfire on display even though I did not want to race it this 
close to the Solo Nationals, my key event each year (I'm one of eight 
drivers who've been to all of them -- this year is the 38th. And the 
Spitfire has driven in 37, more than any other single car).

So great to see that fleet of TR4s in the Kastner Cup race, with a few other 
Triumphs mixed in. I worked grid much of the weekend and grabbed the job to 
split the Kastner Cup race -- the idiot who stands in the middle of pit lane 
as the cars come off the grid; pointing "You go this side, you go that 
side.")

Good to finally meet Kas in person, Joe too, and a few others.

Some may have noticed my team name Ikke se Hurtig Racing on the fender of 
the Spitfire. Sunday as I was loading up a lady with her two teen-agers 
stopped to take a picture, because her maiden name was Hurtig. They knew 
what Hurtig meant (fast, swift), but weren't sure of the Ikke part (not --  
ergo, Not So Fast).

Good to see FOT at my home track.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 5:47 PM
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup


> FoT,
>
> When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition,
> this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
>
> The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
>
> Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after 
> a
> great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
>
> This is what it is all about......
>
> John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at 
> Leguna
> Seca next June.  More details to follow.
>
> Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.
>
> We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
> beverages.
>
> Joe Alexander
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From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Aug 24 17:10:13 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:10:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park
In-Reply-To: <E9B2BAEDFE2C4835BBC978B43794A614@homekeith>
Message-ID: <20100824191013.SXHLB.1555515.imail@eastrmwml30>

It is our agreement that  the trophy will be in Jeff Snooks Car Museum along with the car..  Good place. Keith drove a perfect race with out a deviation on 5 year old tires , a good job indeed. (I  suggested he buy tires but he was too protective of his wallet). :-)
---- Keith Files <keithfiles at btinternet.com> wrote: 

=============
Dear All,

 

I would like to thank you all for making the event so special; the warmth
and affection that you showed to me, Denise, my mad brother, Imelda and
Simon was truly exceptional - we love coming over and racing with you guys
and will continue to do so for many more years to come.

 

The real high point of the weekend was to receive the Kastner Cup from Kas
himself; it was a humbling experience especially when I consider the high
calibre of cars and fellow racers that were in the mix and all deserving of
the trophy in your own special way. You should all know that the Cup hasn't
actually left the US as there was enough trouble with US Immigration on the
way in without looking for more trouble on the way out :-)

 

I would like to give a big shout out to Joe Alexander for not only making
Heartland Park happen but for getting me away from my mighty TR6 and into
the 4 pot camp; a plot that that was hatched after VIR in 2004 whilst we
were driving back to Iowa via Memphis (Denise is a BIG Elvis fan), St Louis,
the Mississippi and other parts of the mid-west. 

 

A great weekend, so many special people (too many to mention individually)
so a big thank you to you all once more.

 

See you at Laguna Seca in 2011.

 

Cheers, Keith & Denise
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Aug 24 17:43:52 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:43:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] VTR/FOT HEARTLAND KASTNER CUP POSTER Featuring Sam Halkias
In-Reply-To: <8CD11C7A75C80C3-9D0-2A44@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD11C7A75C80C3-9D0-2A44@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
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I had been planning on picking up one of these posters in person at
the event, and maybe getting a few autographs on it along the way.
And also a set of Kas' books to replace the ones I loaned out -
that's a sad story.

Oh well.  I wonder what calamity will befall me when it is time
to head for Laguna Seca?

mjb.


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Aug 24 17:59:20 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 23:59:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park/Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <1483591846.253074.1282694360641.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Greetings FoT

I had a great time at Heartland Park this past weekend and would like to thank
everyone for

your support and friendship.

Due to some difficulties I had with my tow vehicle and trailer I didnbt have
time to

get around and meet everyone so please donbt feel like I was just being
unsociable.

It was an honor and pleasure.



B 

Jim Gray

# 102


From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 24 19:07:54 2010
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (T Thompson)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:07:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] HPT/Kastner Cup Race
Message-ID: <381737.99905.qm@web65711.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Being new to FOT (and to vintage racing), I want to say that you are all such
a 
great group of folks and this was a very memorable event!   To be part of
the 
Kastner Cup Race and to meet so many great folks is something Angela and
I will 
never forget. 

In true form, Bob Kramer helped me with a set of the
"right plugs" which I think 
enabled me to keep Ryan Murphy at bay (what a
race for us!). Although I am 
always getting help from folks in RMVR (Jim G.,
Mark E., Jim R. and Dan F. to 
name a few), Bob and I had just met and he was
willing to lend a helping hand in 
between replacing a wheel cylinder or
replacing pads on his own car. Well 
deserving of the recognition to say the
least! 

And, I hope my wife Angela didn't bug Kas and others for too many
pictures and 
autographs, but she certainly had fun being a vintage race car
gal.  She loves 
these old cars.  Many thanks to Ken for taking her on a few
laps around the 
track at lunch in his nice TR3 he had for sale at the track
(her favorite...glad 
I left the checkbook at home!). 

Angela also took quite
a few pictures that others may want. We will send these 
out to folks off
list, but if there is repository for photos, let us know and we 
will load
them there.

We can't wait for next year! 

Again, thanks to Bill and others
for putting on such a memorable event.   

Ty & Angela
#413


From tlizzard at msn.com  Tue Aug 24 19:17:10 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:17:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] New FOT MEMBER   -   SIMON WATSON   (UK)
In-Reply-To: <E9B2BAEDFE2C4835BBC978B43794A614@homekeith><8CD11C8A8C97FC8-9D0-2C50@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com><EA8EA963AAAF4348AD511E90F66C861F@homekeith><8CD11D3FEBF6AC5-199C-12F0@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
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I will definitely third this.

It was a pleasure to work with Simon for the four days we were there. Beyond
the fact that he is a very knowledgeable TR guy and a driver in his own right,
he is, as Bill Dettinger puts it, "good people".  His membership in our merry
band will make the whole much greater than the sum of the parts.

Terry Stetler


From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Tue Aug 24 19:37:36 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:37:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Suggestions for the 60th Anniversary of Triumphs
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	<4C741D2F.7010300@bright.net>
	<8CD11DCD21D984E-199C-2402@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
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  It is about an hour and half from me here in the Orlando area (Mount 
Dora, FL). Not volunteering yet!

There is always a vintage race on Thursday or Friday preceding the 
Saturday 12 hour race. I'm sure it is not an hour long race but if the 
sanctioning body could be convinced of the significance of a Triumph 60 
year tribute race and enough Triumphs committed to show up....who knows?

Bob

On 8/24/2010 4:55 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> Ted,
>
> Excellent offering!  And certainly a candidate to consider.
>
> Track time is severely limited, usually, but if that is not an issue, it
> certainly is an adventure. I have been there three times and once drove a MGB
> to a stunning last place finish.
>
> All we need is a PROPOSAL from someone that contains a confirmation that we
> are being invited to come by the sanctioning body and what they have in mind
> for us.
>
> A real visionary would propose a CLASSIC 12 HOURS OF SEBRING race for 1.2
> Hours of racing  prior to the real 12 HOURS of SEBRING.....like they do at THE
> 24 HOURS OF LE MANS.....that has grown into a serious vintage event.
>
> Ted, do you have someone that could make a proposal?  We need someone to lead
> that effort.
>
> THANKS!
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
> Joe and list. In terms of historic significance, the most logical choice is
> Sebring. It is Sebring's 60th anniversary of the 12 Hour. Triumph had a strong
> presence at the track over the years. Kas was a major player at the track with
> the TR effort (and with Nissan if we dare say that word), FOT member Ed Diehl
> drove the race in one of the factory TR4's, etc. Downside is the 12 Hour is a
> very busy week-end and depending on support races track time is ??? But, if
> you want to be part of a truly historic event, this is worth looking at. No
> where else will you be able to show the cars in front of 100,000 + people .
> Ted
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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>
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 24 20:03:30 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:03:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] HS6 question
Message-ID: <789747.6897.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Well the good news is I have the car back together again after all the
problems 
in May and July in Seattle.  The engine has been completely
rebuilt.  We ran the 
car on a Dyno today and all went well except it seems to
run out of gas at 5640 
rpm.  That is it starts sputtering and getting real
lean. We checked the floats 
and there is fuel in them and we worked on the
timing.  We are going to try make 
sure the points springs are strong next. 
The folks helping with the car are 
very experienced.   Is there something
missing?  I have RV needles (if that 
helps).  Has anyone else had similar
problems? 


As always looking for the groups convential wisdom.

Thanks Mike
Mehl

At least I have time before the Columbia River Classic Labor day
weekend. (where 
the KAS cup was run last year)


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 24 20:19:30 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:19:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Suggestions for the 60th Anniversary of Triumphs
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I'd like to get some FOT together down there some day even if it isnt the
60th.

It's great place to be.






-----Original Message-----
From: Bob <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 8:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Suggestions for the 60th Anniversary of Triumphs


  It is about an hour and half from me here in the Orlando area (Mount
ora, FL). Not volunteering yet!
There is always a vintage race on Thursday or Friday preceding the
aturday 12 hour race. I'm sure it is not an hour long race but if the
anctioning body could be convinced of the significance of a Triumph 60
ear tribute race and enough Triumphs committed to show up....who knows?
Bob
On 8/24/2010 4:55 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
 Ted,

 Excellent offering!  And certainly a candidate to consider.

 Track time is severely limited, usually, but if that is not an issue, it
 certainly is an adventure. I have been there three times and once drove a
MGB
 to a stunning last place finish.

 All we need is a PROPOSAL from someone that contains a confirmation that we
 are being invited to come by the sanctioning body and what they have in mind
 for us.

 A real visionary would propose a CLASSIC 12 HOURS OF SEBRING race for 1.2
 Hours of racing  prior to the real 12 HOURS of SEBRING.....like they do at
THE
 24 HOURS OF LE MANS.....that has grown into a serious vintage event.

 Ted, do you have someone that could make a proposal?  We need someone to
lead
 that effort.

 THANKS!

 Joe Alexander


 Joe and list. In terms of historic significance, the most logical choice is
 Sebring. It is Sebring's 60th anniversary of the 12 Hour. Triumph had a
strong
 presence at the track over the years. Kas was a major player at the track
with
 the TR effort (and with Nissan if we dare say that word), FOT member Ed
Diehl
 drove the race in one of the factory TR4's, etc. Downside is the 12 Hour is
a
 very busy week-end and depending on support races track time is ??? But, if
 you want to be part of a truly historic event, this is worth looking at. No
 where else will you be able to show the cars in front of 100,000 + people .
 Ted
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Aug 24 20:29:32 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 20:29:32 -0600
Subject: [Fot] HS6 question
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Are you running a stock fuel pump?

mjb.


From stutzmans at comcast.net  Tue Aug 24 20:42:27 2010
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:42:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen
Message-ID: <AB26D7084B524933841ABBBFF326AAB3@ComputerPC>

Does anyone going to Watkins have extra crew passes available to a couple WPTA
guys?
Bruce


From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 24 20:45:31 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:45:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 HS6 question
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forgot to mention what car
Mike




________________________________
From:
Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To: Triumph Friends of <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 7:03:30 PM
Subject: [Fot] HS6 question

Well the
good news is I have the car back together again after all the
problems 
in May
and July in Seattle.  The engine has been completely
rebuilt.  We ran the 
car
on a Dyno today and all went well except it seems to
run out of gas at 5640
rpm.  That is it starts sputtering and getting real
lean. We checked the
floats 
and there is fuel in them and we worked on the
timing.  We are going
to try make 
sure the points springs are strong next. 
The folks helping with
the car are 
very experienced.  Is there something
missing?  I have RV needles
(if that 
helps).  Has anyone else had similar
problems? 


As always looking
for the groups convential wisdom.

Thanks Mike
Mehl

At least I have time
before the Columbia River Classic Labor day
weekend. (where 
the KAS cup was
run last year)
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Tue Aug 24 22:05:04 2010
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:05:04 +1000
Subject: [Fot] toyota calipers for TR's
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=N70R7_5HG-W+kw4=GEjGnwZuD3F72+etnEO2z@mail.gmail.com>

folks, i'm aware Toyota 4WD front brake calipers can be easily fitted to
TR's. . All the write-ups only discuss calipers suited for solid discs.
I have got one from a early 90's Toyota that had vented rotors, but it has
two big pistons and wont suit the TR master cyl.
Has anyone found a model that has the 2 different size pistons, and uses a
vented rotor??

thanks, Terry O'Beirne
Australia


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Aug 24 23:00:33 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 00:00:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] toyota calipers for TR's
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Message-ID: <20100825045950.F2BE7187645@autox.team.net>

A quick google search turned up this site:
http://www.turbo-tr6.info/tr6_brake_install.htm

It has both the solid rotor and the vented rotor conversions.

I notice that it has the rotor mounted to the Aluminum Hubs that 
should be available again shortly.

Tony Drews

At 11:05 PM 8/24/2010, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:
>folks, i'm aware Toyota 4WD front brake calipers can be easily fitted to
>TR's. . All the write-ups only discuss calipers suited for solid discs.
>I have got one from a early 90's Toyota that had vented rotors, but it has
>two big pistons and wont suit the TR master cyl.
>Has anyone found a model that has the 2 different size pistons, and uses a
>vented rotor??
>
>thanks, Terry O'Beirne
>Australia


From brinke at cebridge.net  Tue Aug 24 20:50:39 2010
From: brinke at cebridge.net (Bill Rinke)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:50:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
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Hi Bob,

I am trying to answer 193 emails that I received after our event was held.
Looks like most if not all of them are of the thank you and congratulation
type notes.
Glad you got home in fine shape but suspect you, like many of us, are a bit
tired.
Yep, the young guys did show up and I think all of them did quite well,
including your son.  We need the youth to make vintage racing survive.
A big hooray for your receipt of the Bill Ames award.  That is awesome.
I am familiar with MyLaps and will try to find out how to put our event
results on there.  Only so many hours in the day while trying to play catch up
on so many different issues that seem to be popping up after a week in
Topeka.
Thanks so much for coming out to play with us.  We sure hope that everything
met your satisfaction and that you had a ton of fun.
I know the FoT address that I also copied on this is an address that does not
receive my email so if you wish , you may forward it.
Bill

----- Original Message -----
  From: Bob Kramer
  To: GSFuqua1 at aol.com ; Bill Rinke
  Cc: Andrew Kramer ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 10:38 AM
  Subject: MyLaps[Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup


  I drove through the night and made it home at 5:30 this morning. The one
  hour nap at the TX border helped. For all the worries about heat I think we
  had a great weekend. Even the thunder boomers Friday were somewhat enjoyable
  to this TX guy. The cloud cover Saturday and the breeze all weekend kept us
  cool enough in the shade, if you had a good supply of dry t-shirts. Now that
  I'm home I recognize that I lied to you all, it is hotter here. Oh well,
  I'll have to unload anyway. I have a few shirts left.

  I met a lot of people whose names I recognized from the list and I've got to
  tell those that weren't able to make it that the FoT is growing and more
  vibrant than ever. That Colorado clan has something going on there. What a
  nice group of folks. Seeing them all together reminded me of my first FoT
  exposure at Blackhawk Farms when Joe put me up in a tent for the weekend.
  That type of camaraderie is the fiber that runs through all of us. I was
  really pleased to see the young guys running and hear about even more in the
  pipeline. My son had a great time and I think he is hooked for good. Thanks
  for welcoming him. In his tired old TR4 he managed to get within 4 seconds
  of his old man on our best laps. I'll need to get bigger mirrors for the
  future.

  Thank you  Larry for honoring me with the Bill Ames Award. I meant it when I
  said that I was surrounded by a large group of people just like me, that all
  deserve this award. I help where I can and so does everyone else. It's that
  FoT fiber thing. When I started I learned so much from people like Joe, Jack
  and Hardy P, as well as Ken G and Ted S and a long list of others along the
  way. I still have a lot to learn. It was pretty cool to paddock nect to the
  Champ. Sam is a genuine good guy. Racing his TR6 with the SCCA at the
  highest levels might seem to put him in a different world, but he just like
  us in every other way. Thanks Sam.

  Are we going to be able look at laptimes on MyLaps, but I don't know for
  sure. Bill or Gary, is that going to happen? I got in the habit of not
  picking up laptimes at CVAR races because the data gets to MyLaps so
  quickly.Just wondering.

  Laguna Seca! I'll probably MapQuest the route a few dozen time this week.
:)

  Bob Kramer
  Volente, TX

  Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch
  excellence.
  Vince Lombardi
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
  To: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
  Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup


  > And...... the Bill Ames award was passed to Bob Kramer.  Bob has helped
  > countless Triumphs get on or back on to the race track.  He's one of the
  > best drivers I know.  He gives away parts, is a gentleman racer, and he
  > has towed to almost all of the FoT focus events.  A great guy and worthy
  > recipient.
  > -Larry Young
  >
  > n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
  >> FoT,
  >>
  >> When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and
  >> competition,
  >> this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
  >>
  >> The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
  >>
  >> Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup
  >> after a
  >> great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
  >>
  >> This is what it is all about......
  >>
  >> John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at
  >> Leguna
  >> Seca next June.  More details to follow.
  >>
  >> Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.
  >>
  >> We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
  >> beverages.
  >>
  >> Joe Alexander
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From jason at multivintage.com  Mon Aug 23 09:08:25 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:08:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
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Man those were some fast TRs. It was pretty much a swarm of TR4's. With the
exception of Jeff Snook in his fast Tr3 running up front, a very fast
spitfire in the hands of  Joseph Hovey at mid pack, me in my GT6... (after
an amazing story of overcoming certain failier) and Joe in his Ambro... it
was a starting grid of TR4 Beauty and Speed.

Major battles were seen for every position. And up front the action was hot,
hot, hot. For the 3rd spot on the podium. Tony Drews, Jim Gray, and Greg
"Lunker" Hilyer had a TR4 battle royal with grass flying and tires smoking.
Unfortunately, for Greg, His whole car was smoking by the near end, he was
out of the mix with a broken battery terminal and was parked on the side of
the track with so much smoke I thought his car was on fire when I went by.
But that pack up front was flying... Tony's car just keeps getting faster
and faster.

The Awesome Group of guys from Colorado really helped fill the grid headed
up by Jim Gray and his Dads old gorgeous and Impeccably prepared no. 102. A
close 4th overall but not able to catch Tony.

The stars up font... Kieth Files all the way from England unmatched in the
Tr4 group... two seconds a lap faster than  all others. (Fittingly in Kas's
old car built for Sebring)

Our Hero in Modern Triumph racing, Sam Halkias... simply walked away from
everyone with a fast lap of the kastner cup of 1:55.726. five seconds faster
than the next car in line.

Other highlights or rather low lights... Joe Alexander spun the ambro in the
big race and Sean Alexander left pices of motor trailing down the front
strait after an impressive show of speed all weekend.

Overall a great fast and fun weekend and we FOT'ers really were the stars of
the weekend with the biggest and most exciting groups all weekend.

Thats my report...
More on my unique story of NOT being beaten by equipment later...
Jason Ostrowski. Friendly Ghost Racing 69 GT6 # 27



On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 7:37 AM, Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Congrats, Mr. Kramer.
>
> --- On Sun, 8/22/10, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
> To: n197tr4 at cs.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 9:42 PM
>
>
> And...... the Bill Ames award was passed to Bob Kramer.  Bob has helped
> countless Triumphs get on or back on to the race track.  He's one of the
> best drivers I know.  He gives away parts, is a gentleman racer, and he
> has towed to almost all of the FoT focus events.  A great guy and worthy
> recipient.
> -Larry Young
>
> n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> > FoT,
> >
> > When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and
> competition,
> > this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
> >
> > The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
> >
> > Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup
> after
> a
> > great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
> >
> > This is what it is all about......
> >
> > John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at
> Leguna
> > Seca next June.  More details to follow.
> >
> > Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.
> >
> > We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
> > beverages.
> >
> > Joe Alexander
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
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From jason at multivintage.com  Mon Aug 23 09:57:42 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:57:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
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So after Hours of sweaty prep work... I had to remove the rear extension on
my GT6 the night before I was going to leave for the big Kastner cup as I
found a major leak was dripping from the trans. It was cracked. I removed
it, replaced it, and got everything back together... but I was nervous
because I had never taken that rear extension off and something strange had
happened. The lower rod popped out a bit all by itself as I was putting on
the new piece. I thought to myself... I wonder it that funny sound I heard
was a needle bearing or two falling into the bottom of the trans... but it
all seemed to go back together OK... I really wanted to make that race.

I left the next night... already on no sleep. Me and my Dad made the 10 hour
tow down to Heartland Park. We Arrived at 6:30 A.M Registered and unloaded
the Car. I made about 5 laps and as soon as I started to pick up the pace
and try a few laps at race speed the trans started to vibrate violently.
Headed for the pits, stopped, and couldn't get the car into gear.I was Done.

Flash to Saturday night 4:00 P.M. I was happy with resigning to the fact
that now I could just drink a lot of Beer all weekend. Some guy I had never
met Before who auto crosses a Gt6 came up to me and my poor broken car.
"I've got a trans that's been sitting In my garage for years.. Its kind of
dirty but you are welcome to it... You can have it for FREE.

Suddenly, I could see myself raising the Kasnter Cup over my head with
Champagne flying and the crowds cheering as my humble GT6 had beaten the
fastest TR's in the world.

He drove home and brought back a stinky, dirty, and FREE trans. We removed
the old one, cleaned up the new one, sealed it, lubed it, and snugged
everything up. In a moment of sheer bliss I fired the car up at almost 11:00
P.M. It was Alive again. I cruised the paddock and ran through the gears.
FGR was Back In the Game.

I ran the practice in the morning, The Group 7 race, and the Kastner Cup, I
was a bit off the pace I wanted to be running as I was short on track time.
But hey, I was racing. I had a great time trying to catch Andrew Kramer and
even passed a few cars on the start. A great weekend... a great Kastner Cup!

Jason Ostrowski, Friendly Ghost Racing, Triumph GT6 #27


On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>wrote:

> Man those were some fast TRs. It was pretty much a swarm of TR4's. With the
> exception of Jeff Snook in his fast Tr3 running up front, a very fast
> spitfire in the hands of  Joseph Hovey at mid pack, me in my GT6... (after
> an amazing story of overcoming certain failier) and Joe in his Ambro... it
> was a starting grid of TR4 Beauty and Speed.
>
> Major battles were seen for every position. And up front the action was
> hot, hot, hot. For the 3rd spot on the podium. Tony Drews, Jim Gray, and
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer had a TR4 battle royal with grass flying and tires
> smoking. Unfortunately, for Greg, His whole car was smoking by the near end,
> he was out of the mix with a broken battery terminal and was parked on the
> side of the track with so much smoke I thought his car was on fire when I
> went by. But that pack up front was flying... Tony's car just keeps getting
> faster and faster.
>
> The Awesome Group of guys from Colorado really helped fill the grid headed
> up by Jim Gray and his Dads old gorgeous and Impeccably prepared no. 102. A
> close 4th overall but not able to catch Tony.
>
> The stars up font... Kieth Files all the way from England unmatched in the
> Tr4 group... two seconds a lap faster than  all others. (Fittingly in Kas's
> old car built for Sebring)
>
> Our Hero in Modern Triumph racing, Sam Halkias... simply walked away from
> everyone with a fast lap of the kastner cup of 1:55.726. five seconds faster
> than the next car in line.
>
> Other highlights or rather low lights... Joe Alexander spun the ambro in
> the big race and Sean Alexander left pices of motor trailing down the front
> strait after an impressive show of speed all weekend.
>
> Overall a great fast and fun weekend and we FOT'ers really were the stars
> of the weekend with the biggest and most exciting groups all weekend.
>
> Thats my report...
> More on my unique story of NOT being beaten by equipment later...
> Jason Ostrowski. Friendly Ghost Racing 69 GT6 # 27
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 7:37 AM, Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Congrats, Mr. Kramer.
>>
>> --- On Sun, 8/22/10, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
>> To: n197tr4 at cs.com
>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>> Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 9:42 PM
>>
>>
>> And...... the Bill Ames award was passed to Bob Kramer.  Bob has helped
>> countless Triumphs get on or back on to the race track.  He's one of the
>> best drivers I know.  He gives away parts, is a gentleman racer, and he
>> has towed to almost all of the FoT focus events.  A great guy and worthy
>> recipient.
>> -Larry Young
>>
>> n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
>> > FoT,
>> >
>> > When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and
>> competition,
>> > this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
>> >
>> > The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
>> >
>> > Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup
>> after
>> a
>> > great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
>> >
>> > This is what it is all about......
>> >
>> > John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at
>> Leguna
>> > Seca next June.  More details to follow.
>> >
>> > Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.
>> >
>> > We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
>> > beverages.
>> >
>> > Joe Alexander
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Aug 25 01:15:02 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:15:02 +0200
Subject: [Fot] toyota calipers for TR's
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My point on this is that the stock brake is great and do the racing job for
hours without any lack of performance....IF there is good brake fluid used
and proper brake pads.
The stock Triumph brake is even better than in my Porsche.

Cheers
Chris

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Auftrag von Enquiries Road & Track
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. August 2010 06:05
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] toyota calipers for TR's

folks, i'm aware Toyota 4WD front brake calipers can be easily fitted to
TR's. . All the write-ups only discuss calipers suited for solid discs.
I have got one from a early 90's Toyota that had vented rotors, but it has
two big pistons and wont suit the TR master cyl.
Has anyone found a model that has the 2 different size pistons, and uses a
vented rotor??

thanks, Terry O'Beirne
Australia
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Wed Aug 25 04:15:41 2010
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:15:41 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Toyota calipers for TR's
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All the wider Toyota calipers I have found that suit vented rotors, have
bigger caliper pistons resulting in too much stroke of the TR6 master cyl..
I have found versions with 2 x large & 2 x smaller  pistons and others with
4 large pistons. The total piston area in all of these is much bigger than
the stock TR caliper. The early hilux/4-runner ones made for solid rotors
have differential size pistons that are almost identical in total piston
area to a TR caliper. I am trying to find calipers with the smaller pistons,
that are made for vented rotors.
The excellent article entitled "toyota brake install" by Lee Janssen does
not deal with this issue.

Terry O'Beirne
Australia


From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Wed Aug 25 07:09:04 2010
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:09:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca
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Ted's got a good point 

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ted Schumacher
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:28 PM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: brad.kahler at 141.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca

Joe and list. In terms of historic significance, the most logical choice 
is Sebring.  It is Sebring's 60th anniversary of the 12 Hour. Triumph 
had a strong presence at the track over the years. Kas was a major 
player at the track with the TR effort (and with Nissan if we dare say 
that word), FOT member Ed Diehl drove the race in one of the factory 
TR4's, etc. Downside is the 12 Hour is a very busy week-end and 
depending on support races track time is ???  But, if  you want to be 
part of a truly historic event, this is worth looking at.  No where else 
will you be able to show the cars in front of 100,000 + people .  Ted



n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> Excellent!
>
> Not too soon to plan.
>
> There are others that are discussing this and shared information would be
> useful.
>
> John Nikas is thinking in terms of 75 Triumphs.
>
> Joe
>
> NOTE:  Sanctioning Body and Venue now needs to be decided for 2012 for the
> 60th Anniversary. We have two invitations, and several ideas. The ideas
have
> not yet developed into proposals.
>
> This will not be a unilateral decision.....it will be based on the best
> proposal that serves the best interests
> of the FOT.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com>
> To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 8:36 am
> Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca
>
>
> I don't know if this is to early to start thinking about how some of
> s Easterners (yes I consider myself an Easterner because we live in
> he eastern time zone!) can maybe get together and rent a transporter
> o make the trip.
> I've dealt with two different transporters that I would trust with our
> ehicles.  One uses an enclosed trailer that could handle probably 6
> ehicles.  The other is a hot shot trucker with an open 40 foot
> railer that could probably haul 3 cars plus misc equipment.  Most
> eople don't like open trailers and the only reason I mention this guy
> s I consider him trust worthy and I know he watches over his loads
> herever he goes.
> Depending on circumstances we might be interested in sharing a common
> ransport with others that want to head from the easter half of the
> ountry to Laguna Seca.
> So for those of you who might want to have your car transported to CA
> nd back feel free to contact me off list.
> Brad
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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 25 07:24:06 2010
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 06:24:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fw:  Toyota calipers for TR's
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From: Mike Munson fasttrs at yahoo.com

Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyota calipers
for TR's


Split the calipers and have spacers made that give you the extra
width. Thats 
what I had to do one time to a set of Jaguar calipers to make
them work with 
vented rotors. The old Jag. calipers are what we are required
to run on our SCCA 
TR6s.

Mike Munson




________________________________
From: Enquiries Road & Track <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au>
To: Peter Vucinic
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010
5:15:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyota calipers for TR's

All the wider Toyota
calipers I have found that suit vented rotors, have
bigger caliper pistons
resulting in too much stroke of the TR6 master cyl..
I have found versions
with 2 x large & 2 x smaller  pistons and others with
4 large pistons. The
total piston area in all of these is much bigger than
the stock TR caliper.
The early hilux/4-runner ones made for solid rotors
have differential size
pistons that are almost identical in total piston
area to a TR caliper. I am
trying to find calipers with the smaller pistons,
that are made for vented
rotors.
The excellent article entitled "toyota brake install" by Lee Janssen
does
not deal with this issue.

Terry O'Beirne
Australia
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 25 08:19:47 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:19:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca...now the 60th Anniversary
 selection of venue.
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Craig,

Sebring will need a 'champion' to pursue it.

Ideally, the sanctioning body and venue want us there.

This 60th Anniversary  and  the Kastner Cup event is way too big for me to
pursue on my own.

We need solid proposals and someone to pursue them.

(It seems logical that we combine the 60th and the Kastner Cup together, of
course, but they are separate entities)

If John Nikas had not stepped forward with Leguna Seca, I am not sure where we
would be for 2011. Only 10 MONTHS AWAY.

VSCDA'S ELVF is interested, but wants to know shortly for planning purposes.

Road America is certainly a candidate.

So is MOSPORT, ROAD ATLANTA, LIME ROCK, and the rest of North America, for
that matter.

If anyone wants to pursue ANY venue, please let me know and I will try to
help.

Joe A
Ted's got a good point

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ted Schumacher
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:28 PM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: brad.kahler at 141.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca

Joe and list. In terms of historic significance, the most logical choice
is Sebring.  It is Sebring's 60th anniversary of the 12 Hour. Triumph
had a strong presence at the track over the years. Kas was a major
player at the track with the TR effort (and with Nissan if we dare say
that word), FOT member Ed Diehl drove the race in one of the factory
TR4's, etc. Downside is the 12 Hour is a very busy week-end and
depending on support races track time is ???  But, if  you want to be
part of a truly historic event, this is worth looking at.  No where else
will you be able to show the cars in front of 100,000 + people .  Ted


From lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 25 08:54:16 2010
From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 08:54:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
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>  TR4 battle royal with grass flying and tires smoking.
> Unfortunately, for Greg, His whole car was smoking by the near end,  
> he was
> out of the mix with a broken battery terminal and was parked on the  
> side of
> the track with so much smoke I thought his car was on fire when I  
> went by.
Sure glad someone saw that pass - sure was fun! Two wheels on the  
rumble strip and two riding the grass on the inside and giving the  
boot the whole way.
When my race was over I parked off track and immediately smelled  
smoke. The grass over there was tall, brown and dry. The corner  
worker was not going to cross the hot track, so when I actually SAW  
smoke, I bailed and unloaded the fire extinguisher under the car.  
About the time the flat-tow got there the batt terminal had made just  
enough contact for the car to re-start. Then came the scary part -  
The corner worker told me the race was over and sent me back out.  
Thinking that everyone was on the cool-down lap, I was actually  
waving to the corner stations when Tony came by again. Thought he was  
going a bit fast for the cool-down lap but it didn't occur to me I  
was on a hot track until a couple more cars went by. Boy did I  
scramble to get off-line after that!
All in all, a wonderful event with my favorite crowd. I think Connie  
and I may have kept some of you guessing by alternating sessions. As  
it was, I got 2.5 sessions for the event [we missed friday] and that  
suited me just fine. I don't mean that I'm happy about getting beaten  
by a battery terminal but...
It is becoming way to common that my trip TO the event was more  
exciting than the race itself. Perhaps more on that after I've de- 
compressed a bit more.
Our thanks to all,

Connie, Barley and
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM


From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Aug 25 10:02:04 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:02:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Toyota calipers for TR's
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The article indicates that the wider calipers they specify appear to 
be identical to the narrower calipers except for the added width.  I 
assume that means that the piston diameters are very similar, but it 
doesn't specifically state that.  We used the narrower calipers with 
a TR-6 master cylinder for a while, I'm pretty sure.  They sure look 
that way in the pictures - the lumps in the casting look identical to 
the narrower calipers bolted to my car, one being larger in diameter 
than the other.

 From the article:

The Toyota calipers are 4-piston units from a 1988- April 1989 Toyota 
4-Runner, 4WD, 4Cyl. They look the same as the non-vented Toyota 
calipers; they're just wider to fit the vented rotors.

Calipers - Fenco C8554, C8555, Cardone 19-827, 19-826 (includes fitting kit).

Advance Auto parts 4/2006 price: $37.48 each w/ a $25 core (4/06)


- Tony

At 05:15 AM 8/25/2010, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:
>All the wider Toyota calipers I have found that suit vented rotors, have
>bigger caliper pistons resulting in too much stroke of the TR6 master cyl..
>I have found versions with 2 x large & 2 x smaller  pistons and others with
>4 large pistons. The total piston area in all of these is much bigger than
>the stock TR caliper. The early hilux/4-runner ones made for solid rotors
>have differential size pistons that are almost identical in total piston
>area to a TR caliper. I am trying to find calipers with the smaller pistons,
>that are made for vented rotors.
>The excellent article entitled "toyota brake install" by Lee Janssen does
>not deal with this issue.
>
>Terry O'Beirne
>Australia
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Aug 25 10:02:08 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:02:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: SU HS6 Carbs for Sale]
Message-ID: <4C753E80.9020505@pobox.com>

If anyone is interested in these carbs, contact Sam.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	SU HS6 Carbs for Sale
Date: 	Wed, 25 Aug 2010 07:57:52 EDT
From: 	TRDOCTOR at aol.com
To: 	



 
 
I have a pair of HS6 carbs complete with manifold, linkage, and air 
cleaners for the 4 cyl. Triumph engine.  They are ready to bolt on and 
go.  They came off of our car during restoration and were running 
great.  They were set up by Jim Taylor and are ready to go.  $350
 
Sam


From markvaden at gmail.com  Wed Aug 25 12:16:44 2010
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:16:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Hoosier M6
Message-ID: <AANLkTik5ZQ3dS5aKviAx3mEwL-VC91rYPXKkfcMJxao3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I remember someone writing that you can buy the spec miata version of the R6
for a significant discount. Does any FOTer know of place in southern
california (San Diego preferably) that I can order a set?

Thanks,

Mark

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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 25 15:38:19 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:38:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TOPEKA's     Father & Sons
Message-ID: <8CD12B4F85D74E0-4F7C-20E0@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com>

I was lookin for Father/Son Combinations this weekend...I found a few. And a
lot of pride to go with it.

FATHERS AND SONS

JACK DREWS                       TONY DREWS

JIM GRAY                             JIM GRAY

JOE ALEXANDER                 SEAN ALEXANDER

SEAN ALEXANDER               BRENDAN ALEXANDER

GREG OSTRONSKI               JASON OSTRONSKI

BOB KRAMER                      ANDREW KRAMER

         NIKAS                         JOHN NIKAS

(Wish my son Mark and his son could have been there, too)

John Nikas has his dad's original TR4

I think Jim Gray is driving his dad's old race prepared TR4.

If we had aircraft, we would have a 'missing man' formation but the influence
was still there.

Likely I am missing some folks, but these are the ones I know or could
remember.

What a legacy!


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 25 16:05:53 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:05:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] BOB JOHNS ON I-80     Witness to fiery fatal crash
Message-ID: <8CD12B8D206EE09-1D3C-2159@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com>

Bob called Tuesday. While traveling I-80 to Chicago a Jeep crossed the median
and struck a truck head-on.

Bob & Jean were 150 feet from being involved themselves and witnessed the
accident.

Eastbound lanes were closed for 90 minutes on I-80.

More indication of how fragile life is...

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------

(Good thing Gary Fuqua has good driving skills or I might be
incapacitated....following my errant AMBRO driving that resulted in a spin)

Thanks Gary!

Joe


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 25 16:21:25 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:21:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 2nd TOPEKA POSTER CALL
Message-ID: <8CD12BAFD728C3E-1D3C-25B4@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com>

FOT

I have requests for about 15 posters and maybe 40 left.

We have 297 folks on this list.

There must be 25 more folks that are interested enough to want a Kastner Cup
Poster........

and that have PayPal or a checkbook or cash.

I would like to dispose of them quickly and get it over with.

Or they will go on a shelf to steadily gain in value over the years.

Sam Halkias is immortalized, you know.

So 2nd Call is Last Call.

Thanks,

Joe A


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 25 16:23:53 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:23:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  TOPEKA's     Father & Sons
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WHOOPS    OSTROWSKI   sorry





-----Original Message-----
From: n197tr4 at cs.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: Mark.Alexander.ctr at ang.af.mil
Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 4:38 pm
Subject: [Fot] TOPEKA's Father & Sons


I was lookin for Father/Son Combinations this weekend...I found a few. And a
ot of pride to go with it.
FATHERS AND SONS
JACK DREWS                       TONY DREWS
JIM GRAY                             JIM GRAY
JOE ALEXANDER                 SEAN ALEXANDER
SEAN ALEXANDER               BRENDAN ALEXANDER
GREG OSTRONSKI               JASON OSTRONSKI
BOB KRAMER                      ANDREW KRAMER
         NIKAS                         JOHN NIKAS
(Wish my son Mark and his son could have been there, too)
John Nikas has his dad's original TR4
I think Jim Gray is driving his dad's old race prepared TR4.
If we had aircraft, we would have a 'missing man' formation but the influence
as still there.
Likely I am missing some folks, but these are the ones I know or could
emember.
What a legacy!
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From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Wed Aug 25 16:38:37 2010
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:38:37 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Toyota calipers for TR's
In-Reply-To: <20100825161741.6F5A86FB6D@mail-in1.netspace.net.au>
References: <AANLkTi=N70R7_5HG-W+kw4=GEjGnwZuD3F72+etnEO2z@mail.gmail.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAAYXxIyW95VHi4L1tXoDc3MBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
	<AANLkTi=xBth36Y3qBDKs9HmvtEtB9OX8pt3fpLRkOPed@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100825161741.6F5A86FB6D@mail-in1.netspace.net.au>
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Tony,
I concur with you and that's exactly the way I understood the calipers to
be. They have the same differential piston sizes, only being different with
respects to width for rotor design. I already run this style of caliper on
my TR4 with SOLID rotors.

Kind Regards
Peter Vucinic
TR-4





-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Drews [mailto:tony at tonydrews.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 26 August 2010 2:02 AM
To: Enquiries Road & Track; Peter Vucinic
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyota calipers for TR's

The article indicates that the wider calipers they specify appear to 
be identical to the narrower calipers except for the added width.  I 
assume that means that the piston diameters are very similar, but it 
doesn't specifically state that.  We used the narrower calipers with 
a TR-6 master cylinder for a while, I'm pretty sure.  They sure look 
that way in the pictures - the lumps in the casting look identical to 
the narrower calipers bolted to my car, one being larger in diameter 
than the other.

 From the article:

The Toyota calipers are 4-piston units from a 1988- April 1989 Toyota 
4-Runner, 4WD, 4Cyl. They look the same as the non-vented Toyota 
calipers; they're just wider to fit the vented rotors.

Calipers - Fenco C8554, C8555, Cardone 19-827, 19-826 (includes fitting
kit).

Advance Auto parts 4/2006 price: $37.48 each w/ a $25 core (4/06)


- Tony

At 05:15 AM 8/25/2010, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:
>All the wider Toyota calipers I have found that suit vented rotors, have
>bigger caliper pistons resulting in too much stroke of the TR6 master cyl..
>I have found versions with 2 x large & 2 x smaller  pistons and others with
>4 large pistons. The total piston area in all of these is much bigger than
>the stock TR caliper. The early hilux/4-runner ones made for solid rotors
>have differential size pistons that are almost identical in total piston
>area to a TR caliper. I am trying to find calipers with the smaller
pistons,
>that are made for vented rotors.
>The excellent article entitled "toyota brake install" by Lee Janssen does
>not deal with this issue.
>
>Terry O'Beirne
>Australia
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From tr6nut at verizon.net  Wed Aug 25 16:42:45 2010
From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:42:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Toyota calipers for TR's
In-Reply-To: <20100825160117.AAE2E187663@autox.team.net>
References: <AANLkTi=N70R7_5HG-W+kw4=GEjGnwZuD3F72+etnEO2z@mail.gmail.com>
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	<AANLkTi=xBth36Y3qBDKs9HmvtEtB9OX8pt3fpLRkOPed@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100825160117.AAE2E187663@autox.team.net>
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I guess I'll chime in (since I did the original parts lookup for the 
article way back when).  The calipers specified below have the same size 
pistons as the non-vented calipers.  There are other calipers that were 
fitted to the 6 cylinder truck that have larger pistons.  Those are the 
ones NOT to use (unless you are changing out your MC to something else 
as well).

Hugh Barber
Stafford, VA
'73 TR6


On 8/25/2010 12:02, Tony Drews wrote:
> The article indicates that the wider calipers they specify appear to 
> be identical to the narrower calipers except for the added width.  I 
> assume that means that the piston diameters are very similar, but it 
> doesn't specifically state that.  We used the narrower calipers with a 
> TR-6 master cylinder for a while, I'm pretty sure.  They sure look 
> that way in the pictures - the lumps in the casting look identical to 
> the narrower calipers bolted to my car, one being larger in diameter 
> than the other.
>
> From the article:
>
> The Toyota calipers are 4-piston units from a 1988- April 1989 Toyota 
> 4-Runner, 4WD, 4Cyl. They look the same as the non-vented Toyota 
> calipers; they're just wider to fit the vented rotors.
>
> Calipers - Fenco C8554, C8555, Cardone 19-827, 19-826 (includes 
> fitting kit).
>
> Advance Auto parts 4/2006 price: $37.48 each w/ a $25 core (4/06)


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 25 19:12:22 2010
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:12:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <4C71E01D.9040304@pobox.com>
References: <8CD106332C3B5DF-1B10-1F737@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com>
	<4C71E01D.9040304@pobox.com>
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I would not be racing if not for the assistance (and parts) from Bob.

Thanks Bob.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Larry Young
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:43 PM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

And...... the Bill Ames award was passed to Bob Kramer.  Bob has helped 
countless Triumphs get on or back on to the race track.  He's one of the 
best drivers I know.  He gives away parts, is a gentleman racer, and he 
has towed to almost all of the FoT focus events.  A great guy and worthy 
recipient.
-Larry Young

n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> FoT,
>
> When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition,
> this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
>
> The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
>
> Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after
a
> great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
>
> This is what it is all about......
>
> John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at
Leguna
> Seca next June.  More details to follow.
>
> Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.
>
> We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
> beverages.
>
> Joe Alexander
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 25 19:51:02 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:51:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TOPEKA's     Father & Sons   AMENDED   TIM AND RYAN MURPHY
In-Reply-To: <000801cb44be$d9eb90c0$8dc2b240$@com>
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	<000801cb44be$d9eb90c0$8dc2b240$@com>
Message-ID: <8CD12D845A7FB2E-2410-13A6@Webmail-m104.sysops.aol.com>

this is not a tribute to my memory....see addition below.






I was lookin for Father/Son Combinations this weekend...I found a
few....several really. And a
ot of pride to go with it.
FATHERS AND SONS
TIM MURPHY                  RYAN MURPHY
JACK DREWS                       TONY DREWS
JIM GRAY                             JIM GRAY
JOE ALEXANDER                 SEAN ALEXANDER
SEAN ALEXANDER               BRENDAN ALEXANDER
GREG OSTROWSKI               JASON OSTROWSKI
BOB KRAMER                      ANDREW KRAMER
         NIKAS                         JOHN NIKAS
(Wish my son Mark and his son could have been there, too)
John Nikas has his dad's original TR4
I think Jim Gray is driving his dad's old race prepared TR4.
If we had aircraft, we would have a 'missing man' formation but the
nfluence
as still there.
Likely I am missing some folks, but these are the ones I know or could
emember.
What a legacy!
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Wed Aug 25 19:51:40 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:51:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] In Car Video - Road America
Message-ID: <9E7D853CCF864AC0A0026869A2F15E68@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Can anyone point me to some in car video from Road America, preferably in a
Spitfire, but any 4 speed would do.  I've found the great video from Tony
Drews, but all that overdrive stuff is confusing me.

Thanks in advance

Jim Norlin


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 25 07:40:29 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:40:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca...now the 60th	Anniversary
	selection of venue.
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	<4C741D2F.7010300@bright.net> <000001cb4456$b201cdd0$16056970$@net>
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Craig,

Sebring will need a 'champion' to pursue it.

Ideally, the sanctioning body and venue want us there.

This 60th Anniversary  and  the Kastner Cup event is way too big for me to
pursue on my own.

We need solid proposals and someone to pursue them.

(It seems logical that we combine the 60th and the Kastner Cup together, of
course, but they are separate entities)

If John Nikas had not stepped forward with Leguna Seca, I am not sure where we
would be for 2011. Only 10 MONTHS AWAY.

VSCDA'S ELVF is interested, but wants to know shortly for planning purposes.

Road America is certainly a candidate.

So is MOSPORT, ROAD ATLANTA, LIME ROCK, and the rest of North America, for
that matter.

If anyone wants to pursue ANY venue, please let me know and I will try to
help.

Joe A




Ted's got a good point

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ted Schumacher
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:28 PM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: brad.kahler at 141.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca

Joe and list. In terms of historic significance, the most logical choice
is Sebring.  It is Sebring's 60th anniversary of the 12 Hour. Triumph
had a strong presence at the track over the years. Kas was a major
player at the track with the TR effort (and with Nissan if we dare say
that word), FOT member Ed Diehl drove the race in one of the factory
TR4's, etc. Downside is the 12 Hour is a very busy week-end and
depending on support races track time is ???  But, if  you want to be
part of a truly historic event, this is worth looking at.  No where else
will you be able to show the cars in front of 100,000 + people .  Ted



n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> Excellent!
>
> Not too soon to plan.
>
> There are others that are discussing this and shared information would be
> useful.
>
> John Nikas is thinking in terms of 75 Triumphs.
>
> Joe
>
> NOTE:  Sanctioning Body and Venue now needs to be decided for 2012 for the
> 60th Anniversary. We have two invitations, and several ideas. The ideas
have
> not yet developed into proposals.
>
> This will not be a unilateral decision.....it will be based on the best
> proposal that serves the best interests
> of the FOT.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com>
> To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 8:36 am
> Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca
>
>
> I don't know if this is to early to start thinking about how some of
> s Easterners (yes I consider myself an Easterner because we live in
> he eastern time zone!) can maybe get together and rent a transporter
> o make the trip.
> I've dealt with two different transporters that I would trust with our
> ehicles.  One uses an enclosed trailer that could handle probably 6
> ehicles.  The other is a hot shot trucker with an open 40 foot
> railer that could probably haul 3 cars plus misc equipment.  Most
> eople don't like open trailers and the only reason I mention this guy
> s I consider him trust worthy and I know he watches over his loads
> herever he goes.
> Depending on circumstances we might be interested in sharing a common
> ransport with others that want to head from the easter half of the
> ountry to Laguna Seca.
> So for those of you who might want to have your car transported to CA
> nd back feel free to contact me off list.
> Brad
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Wed Aug 25 20:52:14 2010
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:52:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
Message-ID: <F1FFB6343F234D6999C1CDA002225C0C@INSPIRON>

Will anyone be posting video of Topeka  thanks    rob


From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Thu Aug 26 06:59:38 2010
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:59:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
In-Reply-To: <F1FFB6343F234D6999C1CDA002225C0C@INSPIRON>
References: <F1FFB6343F234D6999C1CDA002225C0C@INSPIRON>
Message-ID: <001701cb451e$8a953200$9fbf9600$@net>

Pictures would be nice to.

Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:52 PM
To: FoT Triumph
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka

Will anyone be posting video of Topeka  thanks    rob
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu Aug 26 08:08:16 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:08:16 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Simon Watson's Email-New FOT from the UK
Message-ID: <5680b.303f0fea.39a7cf50@cs.com>

Mark,  here is new FOT Simon Watson's email address for inclusion on the 
list.

List, if you wish to contact Simon after meeting him at TOPEKA......

sjwtrman at aol.com
</HTML>


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Aug 26 08:09:25 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:09:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
In-Reply-To: <F1FFB6343F234D6999C1CDA002225C0C@INSPIRON>
Message-ID: <1654006730.315837.1282831765084.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I will be posting some in-car video and likely some stills. I'm just trying to
figure out which site

to post on. Youtube will accept up to 2g or 15 minutes. I'm looking around at
facebook

and photobucket. It amy take a week or so to edit and compile some photo's.

I'll post a message when I do.



Jim G.




----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 8:52:14 PM
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka

Will anyone be posting video of Topeka B thanks B  B rob
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From igofaster at att.net  Thu Aug 26 08:27:50 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:27:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Stainless Steel Roll Bars
Message-ID: <44796.17099.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I don't think Chris is on F.O.T.   but he should be. I bought a set of Mikuni's 
from him for the GT6... Nice stuff.

I thought I would pass this along as I'm working with him on a Santa grab bag... 
If the group would like, I'll ask Chris if he wants to join the forum.

Bobby Whitehead

no financial indications for me one way or the other to pass this along...



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From igofaster at att.net  Thu Aug 26 08:38:53 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:38:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
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	<4C71E01D.9040304@pobox.com> <000f01cb44bb$bd38a3d0$37a9eb70$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <886958.85767.qm@web180818.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I met Bob Kramer back in 1994-1995 when we lived in Austin and CVAR had Group 5 
which was "run what you brung" ... Bob was racing a TR3 with CVAR and I had one 
of those brand new 1994 Mustang 5.0 we ran a few times with CVAR. I was always a 
Triumph guy and even ran our street TR6 at CVAR once or twice till the 
non-prepared engine figured holding 6000 rpm was not fun anymore.
Bob has always been and continues to be one of the best guys you can have in the 
garage when we are perplexed about the ins' and outs' of amateur drivers like me 
trying to get a 40 year old car to go faster than it was built to go. As far as 
his roving parts bins, I'll bet he could pull a quarter panel out of one if you 
asked  ...   :  )
Getting back into CVAR in 1997 and racing a GT6 (I've only owned about 19) has 
been one of the most fun things I've ever done besides deep sea fishing for 
tuna.... both with my clothes on....
Countless times I've called Bob and he has always taken the time to help me with 
my quandary concerning the GT6 and Triumph speak... he's a really great guy, 
with a really great family, and his lovely wife Barbara ain't too bad on the 
eyes either !!!
Congratulations Bob Kramer, you deserve the recognition! 

Bobby Whitehead




________________________________
From: Greg & Alison Blake <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 8:12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

I would not be racing if not for the assistance (and parts) from Bob.

Thanks Bob.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Larry Young
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:43 PM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

And...... the Bill Ames award was passed to Bob Kramer.  Bob has helped 
countless Triumphs get on or back on to the race track.  He's one of the 
best drivers I know.  He gives away parts, is a gentleman racer, and he 
has towed to almost all of the FoT focus events.  A great guy and worthy 
recipient.
-Larry Young

n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> FoT,
>
> When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition,
> this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
>
> The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
>
> Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after
a
> great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
>
> This is what it is all about......
>
> John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at
Leguna
> Seca next June.  More details to follow.
>
> Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.
>
> We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
> beverages.
>
> Joe Alexander
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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 26 08:41:14 2010
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:41:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
In-Reply-To: <001701cb451e$8a953200$9fbf9600$@net>
References: <F1FFB6343F234D6999C1CDA002225C0C@INSPIRON>
	<001701cb451e$8a953200$9fbf9600$@net>
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And a link to AMB lap times

Mike




________________________________
From:
Craig <wensley_tr at comcast.net>
To: Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; FoT Triumph
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 7:59:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot]
video/Topeka

Pictures would be nice to.

Craig


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Of Rob
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:52 PM
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Subject:
[Fot] video/Topeka

Will anyone be posting video of Topeka  thanks    rob
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Aug 26 10:05:30 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:05:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Stainless Steel Roll Bars
In-Reply-To: <44796.17099.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <44796.17099.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008261204160.3474@isis.mit.edu>

Not trying to be funny here, but SS roll bars seem like a bad idea. Plus 
I'm relatively certain that they are not allowed by some sanctioning 
bodies (SCCA comes to mind).

regards,
rml
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From jason at multivintage.com  Thu Aug 26 11:37:06 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:37:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
Message-ID: <AANLkTimqObcUd2+hCS61QSyf-gAM0bkQgWpwbMez3uFr@mail.gmail.com>

Hello FOT.
I would like to nominate Brad Allen to our group. This Fine Triumph
Enthusiast saved me from missing the Kastner Cup. Not only did he give me a
trans to get in the race, he stayed with us and helped us for 6 hours
putting the car back together. He knows a lot about fast GT6's and would be
a great addition to FOT.
Can I please have a second!
Thanks
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27

Brad Allen's contact is bradgt6 at hotmail.com


From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Thu Aug 26 11:55:45 2010
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:55:45 +0100
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
In-Reply-To: <001701cb451e$8a953200$9fbf9600$@net>
References: <F1FFB6343F234D6999C1CDA002225C0C@INSPIRON>
	<001701cb451e$8a953200$9fbf9600$@net>
Message-ID: <58BB66A2B5A347DE9450C4F12618D83F@homekeith>

Loads of photo's on www.darylsphotos.com

Keith



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Craig
Sent: 26 August 2010 14:00
To: 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka

Pictures would be nice to.

Craig


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Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:52 PM
To: FoT Triumph
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka

Will anyone be posting video of Topeka  thanks    rob
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From andre at gt6.ca  Thu Aug 26 12:10:17 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:10:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimqObcUd2+hCS61QSyf-gAM0bkQgWpwbMez3uFr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimqObcUd2+hCS61QSyf-gAM0bkQgWpwbMez3uFr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=_y1aQ2sSwp4dBZU4evOfDSw3-2YPcQzUZ-Vqm@mail.gmail.com>

GT6 owner is always a must.

A.

On 26 August 2010 13:37, Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com> wrote:
> Hello FOT.
> I would like to nominate Brad Allen to our group. This Fine Triumph
> Enthusiast saved me from missing the Kastner Cup. Not only did he give me a
> trans to get in the race, he stayed with us and helped us for 6 hours
> putting the car back together. He knows a lot about fast GT6's and would be
> a great addition to FOT.
> Can I please have a second!
> Thanks
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27
>
> Brad Allen's contact is bradgt6 at hotmail.com
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Aug 26 12:18:54 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:18:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimqObcUd2+hCS61QSyf-gAM0bkQgWpwbMez3uFr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimqObcUd2+hCS61QSyf-gAM0bkQgWpwbMez3uFr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000501cb454b$25875140$7095f3c0$@com>

I'll second that!  As we were paddocked next to you, I saw all the work you
guys did to make the race.  Brad sure seems to fit the spirit of the FOT.

Tim

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From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:37 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er

Hello FOT.
I would like to nominate Brad Allen to our group. This Fine Triumph
Enthusiast saved me from missing the Kastner Cup. Not only did he give me a
trans to get in the race, he stayed with us and helped us for 6 hours
putting the car back together. He knows a lot about fast GT6's and would be
a great addition to FOT.
Can I please have a second!
Thanks
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27

Brad Allen's contact is bradgt6 at hotmail.com
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Thu Aug 26 12:44:51 2010
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:44:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot]  2012 Kastners Kup
References: <371F1A75-D629-4934-A3B8-1BC390418C2E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <EA4C5126-021A-4720-BB84-93D06ADB0DBA@aol.com>

>> I don't know what is prompting me to do this but.........,
>>
>> I am minutes away from NJMP here in Millville NJ.  With much and much more
help I might be willing to champion this cause.    There might be a way to
combine it with a few different races during the year.  First one that comes
to mind is a historic race in September.  There is also an airshow with car
racing.
>>
>> What the heck did I just commit myself to?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Sent from my IPhone
>>
> =


From jerrybarr at charter.net  Thu Aug 26 12:53:29 2010
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (jerrybarr at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:53:29 +0000
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
Message-ID: <902172812-1282848809-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1492482043-@bda835.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I second! We need More GT6 racers and technicians.
------Original Message------
From: Jason Ostrowski
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
Sent: Aug 26, 2010 12:37 PM

Hello FOT.
I would like to nominate Brad Allen to our group. This Fine Triumph
Enthusiast saved me from missing the Kastner Cup. Not only did he give me a
trans to get in the race, he stayed with us and helped us for 6 hours
putting the car back together. He knows a lot about fast GT6's and would be
a great addition to FOT.
Can I please have a second!
Thanks
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27

Brad Allen's contact is bradgt6 at hotmail.com
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu Aug 26 13:02:03 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:02:03 EDT
Subject: [Fot] SPONSORSHIP-NEW FOT RUSS WESTFALL-MINNEAPOLIS
Message-ID: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>

Russ Westfall came specifically to TOPEKA to see the Kastner Cup and the 
FOT.

This resulted in the purchase of a TR4 race car from Bill Swopes which he 
is going to prepare for vintage racing by next year. The transaction was 
consummated today. 

Mark Bradakis, please add  Russ Westfall  (rw at dnrsales.com) to our FOT 
list.  

FOT list, be prepared to support Russ as he is new to Triumph racing. He 
has been to a Skip Barber school at Road America with Duck Waddle as his 
instructor and runs track days with his Corvette.

A welcome to Russ is in order.

Regards,

Joe Alexander</HTML>


From mdporter at dfn.com  Thu Aug 26 13:17:49 2010
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:17:49 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Stainless Steel Roll Bars
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008261204160.3474@isis.mit.edu>
References: <44796.17099.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008261204160.3474@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <4C76BDDD.3020000@dfn.com>

  On 8/26/2010 10:05 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote:
> Not trying to be funny here, but SS roll bars seem like a bad idea. 
> Plus I'm relatively certain that they are not allowed by some 
> sanctioning bodies (SCCA comes to mind).
>


Likely true about not complying with the rules, for much the same reason 
as high-tensile steels are not recommended or sometimes not allowed.  
Most commonly available grades of stainless (with the possible exception 
of 409, which has just enough chromium to qualify as a stainless, less 
than 5%) have enough chromium to make them more brittle than malleable 
steels.    In similar thicknesses, they don't form as well, either.  
More ductile steels stretch quite a bit up to the yield point and then 
go on stretching until failure, absorbing energy as they do so (pretty 
much the same principle of energy-absorbing deformation in unit bodies 
today).


More brittle materials stretch less under load, and have a smaller range 
of deformation under load between the yield point and failure.  
Therefore, a cage made of 1020 steel bends, while a cage made with a 
high-chrome stainless or, say, 4130, will resist deformation better, but 
once loaded much past the yield point will break.  Once it breaks, it is 
no longer absorbing energy, and becomes a potential threat to safety 
(who wants a loose spear in the cockpit as the car is rolling over?).


Nothing's really gained by stainless, anyway, except for some additional 
corrosion protection.  Stiffness is determined by section modulus and 
Young's modulus.    Bars made with, say, 1020 and 304 with the exact 
same tube cross-section will be equally stiff, because the section 
modulus is identical, and the difference in Young's modulus between mild 
steel and stainless is negligible.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Thu Aug 26 13:22:53 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:22:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 2012 Kastners - VIR in April?
In-Reply-To: <EA4C5126-021A-4720-BB84-93D06ADB0DBA@aol.com>
References: <371F1A75-D629-4934-A3B8-1BC390418C2E@comcast.net>
	<EA4C5126-021A-4720-BB84-93D06ADB0DBA@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AB7AEB7B-370E-4868-AD02-D32D2F89C505@comcast.net>

VDCA event.  This is earlier in the year, but it already seems to have  
a big gathering of the East Coast tribe anyway, and gets great  
reviews.  Historic track, wonderful place to paddock . . .


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Aug 26 13:37:47 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:37:47 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
References: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
Message-ID: <001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>

Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris


From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Aug 26 14:02:16 2010
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:02:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
References: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
	<001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=GSZb188M-7r_GpbZJfy4JzsXrsN_Tq4EXiGzb@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps I'm off base and/or forgetting my basic geometry, but isn't the
track supposed be measured at a point on the rim on the (horizontal)
centerline of the wheel and thus should not be effectively increased by
camber, but rather decreased as the camber pulls that point closer to the
center of the car? (unless, of course the standard is measured with positive
camber and the negative is less than absolute value of the positive
measurement...)

Of course, having rims too wide or with the wrong offset would cause it, as
would measuring at the top or bottom of the rim.


On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:37 PM, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> Question:
> I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
> measure track width at the next event.
>
> I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
> width.
>
> Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:
>
> Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
> Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"
>
> He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
> camber he gets over the max track width.
> For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
> negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.
>
> I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
> experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
> values.
>
> Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
> Or is this a common problem with that car?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Aug 26 14:05:31 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:05:31 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=GSZb188M-7r_GpbZJfy4JzsXrsN_Tq4EXiGzb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
	<001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
	<AANLkTi=GSZb188M-7r_GpbZJfy4JzsXrsN_Tq4EXiGzb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001b01cb455a$0b8eeb40$22acc1c0$@com>

The rules say to measure where the wheel stands on the pavement in the
middle of the tire.

So negative camber will be counted in.

 

Von: robert bownes [mailto:bownes at seiri.com] 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. August 2010 22:02
An: MadMarx
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

 


Perhaps I'm off base and/or forgetting my basic geometry, but isn't the
track supposed be measured at a point on the rim on the (horizontal)
centerline of the wheel and thus should not be effectively increased by
camber, but rather decreased as the camber pulls that point closer to the
center of the car? (unless, of course the standard is measured with positive
camber and the negative is less than absolute value of the positive
measurement...)

Of course, having rims too wide or with the wrong offset would cause it, as
would measuring at the top or bottom of the rim.



On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:37 PM, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Thu Aug 26 14:08:48 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:08:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
In-Reply-To: <58BB66A2B5A347DE9450C4F12618D83F@homekeith>
References: <F1FFB6343F234D6999C1CDA002225C0C@INSPIRON>
	<001701cb451e$8a953200$9fbf9600$@net>
	<58BB66A2B5A347DE9450C4F12618D83F@homekeith>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A08A7E79F4F@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Is anyone having any luck opening the 2010 photos?

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson





-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Keith Files
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:56 PM
To: 'Craig'; 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka

Loads of photo's on www.darylsphotos.com

Keith



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Craig
Sent: 26 August 2010 14:00
To: 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka

Pictures would be nice to.

Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:52 PM
To: FoT Triumph
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka

Will anyone be posting video of Topeka  thanks    rob
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Aug 26 14:10:07 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:10:07 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A80149@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
	<001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A80148@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<001701cb4559$007a1dc0$016e5940$@com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A80149@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <002001cb455a$b0ff5dd0$12fe1970$@com>

Maybe you have your race cars track width handy so I have values to compare.
Also how much negative camber you run so I might can advice him to run less
of it if he has much more negative camber.



-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. August 2010 22:02
An: MadMarx
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500

As the rear transverse leaf spring sags, the car gets lower to the ground
(including the differential mounted in the frame).  Since the rear axles are
one unit from the wheel to the differential, the lower the differential gets
to the ground the more negative camber there is at the rear wheels.  The
more negative camber there is, the wider the track will get.

This will also be effected by any change of the wheel offset or addition of
spacers to move the wheel outward from the wheel flange on the axle.  Or
longer, non-stock axles.

Up front, the lower wishbone is moved in or out by the addition or removal
of shims.  If you want negative camber, it takes addition of some shims to
get the bottom wishbone pushed outward, moving the bottom of the upright
outward to give the negative camber desired.  This would widen the front
track as well.

Does that help?

I would think some allowance for additional width over the stock track would
be necessary.

Scott



-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 2:58 PM
To: Barr, Scott
Subject: AW: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500

We measure at the bottom of the center tire.

I hope you can clear my confusion that a Spit is that wide.

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. August 2010 21:53
An: MadMarx
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500

Where is the track width measured?  At the hub?  At the bottom, top or
center of the tire?

Yes, it's very common for any swing-axle car to have a lot of negative
camber as it gets lower, unless you also move the differential up in the
frame.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 2:38 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max
track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve
negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much
offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Aug 26 14:13:22 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:13:22 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500
References: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
	<001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A80148@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<001701cb4559$007a1dc0$016e5940$@com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A80149@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> 
Message-ID: <002201cb455b$22f84eb0$68e8ec10$@com>

We have stock width + 2" as max track width.

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. August 2010 22:10
An: 'Barr, Scott'
Cc: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500

Maybe you have your race cars track width handy so I have values to compare.
Also how much negative camber you run so I might can advice him to run less
of it if he has much more negative camber.



-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. August 2010 22:02
An: MadMarx
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500

As the rear transverse leaf spring sags, the car gets lower to the ground
(including the differential mounted in the frame).  Since the rear axles are
one unit from the wheel to the differential, the lower the differential gets
to the ground the more negative camber there is at the rear wheels.  The
more negative camber there is, the wider the track will get.

This will also be effected by any change of the wheel offset or addition of
spacers to move the wheel outward from the wheel flange on the axle.  Or
longer, non-stock axles.

Up front, the lower wishbone is moved in or out by the addition or removal
of shims.  If you want negative camber, it takes addition of some shims to
get the bottom wishbone pushed outward, moving the bottom of the upright
outward to give the negative camber desired.  This would widen the front
track as well.

Does that help?

I would think some allowance for additional width over the stock track would
be necessary.

Scott



-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 2:58 PM
To: Barr, Scott
Subject: AW: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500

We measure at the bottom of the center tire.

I hope you can clear my confusion that a Spit is that wide.

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. August 2010 21:53
An: MadMarx
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500

Where is the track width measured?  At the hub?  At the bottom, top or
center of the tire?

Yes, it's very common for any swing-axle car to have a lot of negative
camber as it gets lower, unless you also move the differential up in the
frame.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 2:38 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max
track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve
negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much
offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Aug 26 14:15:13 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:15:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
Message-ID: <20100826201511.RZPS4042.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

A longer rear spring will produce a reduced negative camber at the rear.  Or
he might even consider getting rid of the rocker box and revert to an early
spring.  This will reduce the body roll and likely will require tweaking the
entire suspension in order to balance the car and achieve the handling he
desires.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:38 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Aug 26 14:19:40 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:19:40 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <20100826201511.RZPS4042.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
References: <001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
	<20100826201511.RZPS4042.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
Message-ID: <002401cb455c$04790960$0d6b1c20$@com>

Okay, that would be a major work but what can I advice him to get done in
two weeks from now?
I would need reference measurements to get a feel how other Spitis track
width come out.
We allow to be 2" more than stock and that is okay for all cars - I thought.
Now why does the Spiti has a problem? That I would like to find out but I
have to get more knowledge about the suspension and how your guys cars track
width come out.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. August 2010 22:15
An: 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

A longer rear spring will produce a reduced negative camber at the rear.  Or
he might even consider getting rid of the rocker box and revert to an early
spring.  This will reduce the body roll and likely will require tweaking the
entire suspension in order to balance the car and achieve the handling he
desires.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:38 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris
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From claus at triumphracing.net  Thu Aug 26 14:38:27 2010
From: claus at triumphracing.net (claus at triumphracing.net)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:38:27 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
References: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
	<001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
Message-ID: <99a4727369561ee0ac70ea5934ab6ad0.squirrel@webmail01.one.com>

I was under the impression that the track was always measured with a
neutral camber, but I've just checked the FIA appendix K and couldn't find
that mentioned, so maybe I dreamt it up. Would have solved your racer's
problem, though.

Regards,
Claus



Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Aug 26 14:40:14 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:40:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <002401cb455c$04790960$0d6b1c20$@com>
Message-ID: <20100826204012.SFUK23088.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

According to the Haynes manual, the track of a Spitfire 1500 is:

Front: 49" (121.9 cm)
Rear: 50" (127 cm)

Therefore, the rules specification would indicate that there is ample room
to increase the track beyond stock.  So I can't see how it would be
difficult to comply.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----


Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Thu Aug 26 14:55:45 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:55:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A08A7E79F4F@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <159115.67041.qm@smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

They are really slow to open. If you move your cursor over them and check
the small circle that appears, then double click the picture again, a larger
picture with the word PROOF appears over it. It appears that this is the way
to purchase them.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Kramer, Robert
Sent: August 26, 2010 4:09 PM
To: 'FoT Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka

Is anyone having any luck opening the 2010 photos?

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson





-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf
Of Keith Files
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:56 PM
To: 'Craig'; 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka

Loads of photo's on www.darylsphotos.com

Keith



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Craig
Sent: 26 August 2010 14:00
To: 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka

Pictures would be nice to.

Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:52 PM
To: FoT Triumph
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka

Will anyone be posting video of Topeka  thanks    rob
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From kaskas at cox.net  Thu Aug 26 15:18:40 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:18:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Topeka races
Message-ID: <20100826171840.XAZJZ.613277.imail@fed1rmwml39>

The folks at Topeka were really exceptional in their hospitality and willingness to have it just as "right" as we'd like to have it. Thanks to them, and all the TR people, it was a good and Triumphant time.

No one has ever asked me about the judging of the winner of the Kastner Cup[.  I am kind of surprised, but thats just fine with me. I managed to watch ever session from Thursday through the race on Sunday, see every car, and took splits and laps times on most of the cars. I saw the race from a very good vantage point that was about 25 seconds long, and watched every lap and saw every car. I saw poor moves and good moves and fast guys and people not having a great time, spin outs, off course excursions, close encounters and terrific driving. That were SEVERAL standout performances. It was difficult to finally see that only one could be the winner of this award, I even considered announcing a list of the people whom I thought 'were in it".  But, common  and good sense told me that was foolish, so I made a judgment of performance, off track personality and thus the winner was settled. Thanks to all who participated and it appeared that all of us had a great time. Lets to it again.
--
Never be beaten by equipment


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Aug 26 15:18:31 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:18:31 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <99a4727369561ee0ac70ea5934ab6ad0.squirrel@webmail01.one.com>
References: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
	<001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
	<99a4727369561ee0ac70ea5934ab6ad0.squirrel@webmail01.one.com>
Message-ID: <003701cb4564$3f4d5570$bde80050$@com>

I looked at the FIA rules and they say in the middle of the contact patch of
the tire.


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von claus at triumphracing.net
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. August 2010 22:38
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

I was under the impression that the track was always measured with a
neutral camber, but I've just checked the FIA appendix K and couldn't find
that mentioned, so maybe I dreamt it up. Would have solved your racer's
problem, though.

Regards,
Claus



Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Aug 26 15:26:29 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:26:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <99a4727369561ee0ac70ea5934ab6ad0.squirrel@webmail01.one.com>
Message-ID: <20100826212639.UNYZ3042.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

I don't think there is any such thing as a "Neutral Camber" 1500 because of
the longer axles they came with.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of claus at triumphracing.net
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:38 PM
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

I was under the impression that the track was always measured with a
neutral camber, but I've just checked the FIA appendix K and couldn't find
that mentioned, so maybe I dreamt it up. Would have solved your racer's
problem, though.

Regards,
Claus



Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Aug 26 15:56:40 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:56:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
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Message-ID: <F849A59271C14408AA6D2C83A3029F9D@latitudefb1e41>

I'm at home now and they open fine on my home computer. Our security 
software at work didn't like them.

Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
excellence.
Vince Lombardi
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "macdonaldp" <macdonaldp at rogers.com>
To: "'Kramer, Robert'" <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>; "'FoT Triumph'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka


> They are really slow to open. If you move your cursor over them and check
> the small circle that appears, then double click the picture again, a 
> larger
> picture with the word PROOF appears over it. It appears that this is the 
> way
> to purchase them.
>
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Kramer, Robert
> Sent: August 26, 2010 4:09 PM
> To: 'FoT Triumph'
> Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka
>
> Is anyone having any luck opening the 2010 photos?
>
> Bob Kramer
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> keys to your success.
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>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf
> Of Keith Files
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:56 PM
> To: 'Craig'; 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
> Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka
>
> Loads of photo's on www.darylsphotos.com
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Craig
> Sent: 26 August 2010 14:00
> To: 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
> Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka
>
> Pictures would be nice to.
>
> Craig
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Rob
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:52 PM
> To: FoT Triumph
> Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
>
> Will anyone be posting video of Topeka  thanks    rob
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Thu Aug 26 16:02:51 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:02:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
In-Reply-To: <F1FFB6343F234D6999C1CDA002225C0C@INSPIRON><001701cb451e$8a953200$9fbf9600$@net>
	<58BB66A2B5A347DE9450C4F12618D83F@homekeith>
References: <F1FFB6343F234D6999C1CDA002225C0C@INSPIRON><001701cb451e$8a953200$9fbf9600$@net>
	<58BB66A2B5A347DE9450C4F12618D83F@homekeith>
Message-ID: <BAY157-ds413867BF26681BA16F80EC3850@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the link Keith.

I hope the trip home was uneventful.


Terry Stetler.


From mdporter at dfn.com  Thu Aug 26 16:10:35 2010
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:10:35 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <20100826204012.SFUK23088.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
References: <20100826204012.SFUK23088.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
Message-ID: <4C76E65B.3020207@dfn.com>

  On 8/26/2010 2:40 PM, Joe Curry wrote:
> According to the Haynes manual, the track of a Spitfire 1500 is:
>
> Front: 49" (121.9 cm)
> Rear: 50" (127 cm)
>

Hmm, the rear track inches to centimeters conversion is correct, but, 
the front is not.  121.9 cm is 47.99", which would be rounded to 48".


Depends on which measurement comes from the factory, I suppose, and 
where the track is supposed to be measured.  I always thought that the 
track was supposed to be measured through the center of the wheel, in 
order to minimize the distortions in the measurement occurring due to 
camber, and because camber is variable across the range of motion.  For 
the Spit, even if the outside front track allowable by the rules was 51 
inches and change, modest camber changes would take up a lot of that 
three-inch difference, since the stock Spit has maybe 1-1/2 deg. 
positive camber to begin with, presuming that track is measured at the 
bottom of the wheel.


In this case, at any rate, I'd trust the factory figures, rather than 
those in Haynes, if some baseline is necessary.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....


From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Aug 26 16:23:59 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:23:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <4C76E65B.3020207@dfn.com>
Message-ID: <20100826222358.VDDN23088.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

Oops, that should have read 49" (124.5).  I copied the rear track in cm from
the Mk1-MkIV models.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Porter [mailto:mdporter at dfn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 3:11 PM
To: Joe Curry
Cc: 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

  On 8/26/2010 2:40 PM, Joe Curry wrote:
> According to the Haynes manual, the track of a Spitfire 1500 is:
>
> Front: 49" (121.9 cm)
> Rear: 50" (127 cm)
>

Hmm, the rear track inches to centimeters conversion is correct, but, 
the front is not.  121.9 cm is 47.99", which would be rounded to 48".


Depends on which measurement comes from the factory, I suppose, and 
where the track is supposed to be measured.  I always thought that the 
track was supposed to be measured through the center of the wheel, in 
order to minimize the distortions in the measurement occurring due to 
camber, and because camber is variable across the range of motion.  For 
the Spit, even if the outside front track allowable by the rules was 51 
inches and change, modest camber changes would take up a lot of that 
three-inch difference, since the stock Spit has maybe 1-1/2 deg. 
positive camber to begin with, presuming that track is measured at the 
bottom of the wheel.


In this case, at any rate, I'd trust the factory figures, rather than 
those in Haynes, if some baseline is necessary.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking
distance....


From cartravel at pobox.com  Thu Aug 26 18:10:52 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:10:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <AC95D585B8BD49BB9C16B6846E5CF7D8@latitudefb1e41>
References: <AC95D585B8BD49BB9C16B6846E5CF7D8@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <4C77028C.5060606@pobox.com>

Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or 
elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
Larry


From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Aug 26 19:03:50 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:03:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
In-Reply-To: <1654006730.315837.1282831765084.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1654006730.315837.1282831765084.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4C770EF6.3080602@bradakis.com>

toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:
> I will be posting some in-car video and likely some stills. I'm just trying to
> figure out which site
>
> to post on.
>    

During the nearly 5 years I was without a real job I should have
spent more time on Team.Net stuff.  The pages at

http://www.team.net/the-local

showed a lot of promise for this sort of thing.  In truth I need to
do some major reworking of ALL the Team.Net web pages.

RealSoonNow.

mjb.


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Aug 26 19:09:55 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:09:55 -0600
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <4C77028C.5060606@pobox.com>
References: <AC95D585B8BD49BB9C16B6846E5CF7D8@latitudefb1e41>
	<4C77028C.5060606@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <CC56D9A9-92C6-4C49-AD19-1DAD4457585D@comcast.net>

That would be great

Jim g

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 26, 2010, at 6:10 PM, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:

> Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
> elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the  
> results.
> Larry
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Aug 26 23:34:14 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:34:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <4C77028C.5060606@pobox.com>
References: <AC95D585B8BD49BB9C16B6846E5CF7D8@latitudefb1e41>
	<4C77028C.5060606@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <20100827053333.1A24F187663@autox.team.net>

I didn't see them make it to mylaps.com even thought it has their URL 
at the bottom of each of the timing sheets.  I scanned them in 
reverse chronological order to a PDF file and posted them here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/HPT_Vintage_Results0001.pdf

- Tony Drews

At 07:10 PM 8/26/2010, Larry Young wrote:
>Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
>elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
>Larry


From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Aug 27 00:10:51 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:10:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <20100827053333.1A24F187663@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20100827061101.HGJH29852.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>

Was Joe Hovey the only one who brought a Spitfire?  That is the only one
listed in your link.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:34 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

I didn't see them make it to mylaps.com even thought it has their URL 
at the bottom of each of the timing sheets.  I scanned them in 
reverse chronological order to a PDF file and posted them here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/HPT_Vintage_Results0001.pdf

- Tony Drews

At 07:10 PM 8/26/2010, Larry Young wrote:
>Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
>elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
>Larry
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Aug 27 01:01:46 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:01:46 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <20100827070026.JASQ3042.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
References: <000001cb45b4$a72c01a0$f58404e0$@com>
	<20100827070026.JASQ3042.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
Message-ID: <000101cb45b5$b8f0ff70$2ad2fe50$@com>

What kind of wheel offset do you run?
And what track width would that give?

Cheers
Chris


From REK46 at aol.com  Fri Aug 27 03:43:05 2010
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 05:43:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
Message-ID: <3b58.1ff22855.39a8e2a9@aol.com>

FYI...the current SCCA rules for max track are: 1500= 53.6" frt and 54.6"  
rear..........1300= 53.6" frt and 52.6" rear,  measured between the center  
of the rims of two wheels at one end of the car,with any angular adjustments 
at  normal settings and steered wheels in the straight ahead 
position...Quote from  2010 GCR and PCS.
 
 
In a message dated 8/26/2010 6:38:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mdporter at dfn.com writes:

On 8/26/2010 2:40 PM, Joe Curry wrote:
> According to the Haynes manual,  the track of a Spitfire 1500 is:
>
> Front: 49" (121.9 cm)
>  Rear: 50" (127 cm)
>

Hmm, the rear track inches to centimeters  conversion is correct, but, 
the front is not.  121.9 cm is 47.99",  which would be rounded to 48".


Depends on which measurement comes  from the factory, I suppose, and 
where the track is supposed to be  measured.  I always thought that the 
track was supposed to be  measured through the center of the wheel, in 
order to minimize the  distortions in the measurement occurring due to 
camber, and because camber  is variable across the range of motion.  For 
the Spit, even if the  outside front track allowable by the rules was 51 
inches and change,  modest camber changes would take up a lot of that 
three-inch difference,  since the stock Spit has maybe 1-1/2 deg. 
positive camber to begin with,  presuming that track is measured at the 
bottom of the wheel.


In  this case, at any rate, I'd trust the factory figures, rather than 
those  in Haynes, if some baseline is necessary.


Cheers.

--  


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive  you crazy when you know it's within walking  
distance....
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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Fri Aug 27 07:08:49 2010
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:08:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
In-Reply-To: <58BB66A2B5A347DE9450C4F12618D83F@homekeith>
References: <F1FFB6343F234D6999C1CDA002225C0C@INSPIRON>
	<001701cb451e$8a953200$9fbf9600$@net>
	<58BB66A2B5A347DE9450C4F12618D83F@homekeith>
Message-ID: <006901cb45e8$fd9cec00$f8d6c400$@net>

Thanks Keith

Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Files [mailto:keithfiles at btinternet.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:56 PM
To: 'Craig'; 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
Subject: RE: [Fot] video/Topeka

Loads of photo's on www.darylsphotos.com

Keith



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Craig
Sent: 26 August 2010 14:00
To: 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka

Pictures would be nice to.

Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:52 PM
To: FoT Triumph
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka

Will anyone be posting video of Topeka  thanks    rob
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Aug 27 09:06:00 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:06:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <20100827061101.HGJH29852.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
References: <20100827061101.HGJH29852.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
Message-ID: <20100827100600.snc4osmv4484sokc@www.tonydrews.com>

The "smaller" TR's were in group 2 and I don't have their timesheets.

Tony Drews

Quoting Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>:

> Was Joe Hovey the only one who brought a Spitfire?  That is the only one
> listed in your link.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Tony Drews
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:34 PM
> To: Larry Young
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
>
> I didn't see them make it to mylaps.com even thought it has their URL
> at the bottom of each of the timing sheets.  I scanned them in
> reverse chronological order to a PDF file and posted them here:
> http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/HPT_Vintage_Results0001.pdf
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 07:10 PM 8/26/2010, Larry Young wrote:
>> Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
>> elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
>> Larry


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Fri Aug 27 09:29:59 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:29:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <20100827100600.snc4osmv4484sokc@www.tonydrews.com>
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	<20100827100600.snc4osmv4484sokc@www.tonydrews.com>
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Joe was the only Spitfire that was registered. Rocky Entriken displayed his.
There was only one TR3 as well, Jeff Snook's. It was a TR4 Fest.

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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of tony at tonydrews.com
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:06 AM
To: Joe Curry
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

The "smaller" TR's were in group 2 and I don't have their timesheets.

Tony Drews

Quoting Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>:

> Was Joe Hovey the only one who brought a Spitfire?  That is the only one
> listed in your link.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Tony Drews
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:34 PM
> To: Larry Young
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
>
> I didn't see them make it to mylaps.com even thought it has their URL
> at the bottom of each of the timing sheets.  I scanned them in
> reverse chronological order to a PDF file and posted them here:
> http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/HPT_Vintage_Results0001.pdf
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 07:10 PM 8/26/2010, Larry Young wrote:
>> Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
>> elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
>> Larry
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From riverside at southslope.net  Fri Aug 27 11:14:38 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:14:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heartland pics
Message-ID: <002701cb460b$5510a590$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Wow!  What a great album and so many great looking TR's

I should have not been surprised to see one of  the few race cars
i have driven in the last decade or so.   The #34 Studebaker Indy
car.  Was Augie Grassis driving?   He has done a great job with
that old beast.   Ron and I drove it at the Milwaukee Mile , me in
two diferent events.  Great grunt and skinny tire cornering but what
a hoot.   The guys who put a whole day into racing those things were
the real deal.

art de armond


From kaskas at cox.net  Fri Aug 27 11:56:35 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:56:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <20100827061101.HGJH29852.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
Message-ID: <20100827135635.PPQ6J.617956.imail@fed1rmwml4101>

Joe was the only Spitfire that ran the race.  he drove it very well and gave a hard time to several of the TR-4 cars.
---- Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote: 

=============
Was Joe Hovey the only one who brought a Spitfire?  That is the only one
listed in your link.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:34 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

I didn't see them make it to mylaps.com even thought it has their URL 
at the bottom of each of the timing sheets.  I scanned them in 
reverse chronological order to a PDF file and posted them here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/HPT_Vintage_Results0001.pdf

- Tony Drews

At 07:10 PM 8/26/2010, Larry Young wrote:
>Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
>elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
>Larry
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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Aug 27 12:19:41 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 11:19:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <20100827135635.PPQ6J.617956.imail@fed1rmwml4101>
Message-ID: <20100827181936.WAZS23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>

I am wondering if his engine is the one I sold him a few years ago.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:57 AM
To: 'Tony Drews'; Joe Curry; 'Larry Young'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

Joe was the only Spitfire that ran the race.  he drove it very well and gave
a hard time to several of the TR-4 cars.
---- Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote: 

=============
Was Joe Hovey the only one who brought a Spitfire?  That is the only one
listed in your link.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:34 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

I didn't see them make it to mylaps.com even thought it has their URL 
at the bottom of each of the timing sheets.  I scanned them in 
reverse chronological order to a PDF file and posted them here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/HPT_Vintage_Results0001.pdf

- Tony Drews

At 07:10 PM 8/26/2010, Larry Young wrote:
>Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
>elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
>Larry
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Aug 27 12:43:53 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:43:53 +0200
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <20100827181936.WAZS23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
References: <20100827135635.PPQ6J.617956.imail@fed1rmwml4101>
	<20100827181936.WAZS23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
Message-ID: <001101cb4617$ceaedeb0$6c0c9c10$@com>

How does it come that a MAG is 5 seconds faster than the fastest TR4?


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Joe Curry
Gesendet: Freitag, 27. August 2010 20:20
An: 'Kas Kastner'; 'Tony Drews'; 'Larry Young'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

I am wondering if his engine is the one I sold him a few years ago.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:57 AM
To: 'Tony Drews'; Joe Curry; 'Larry Young'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

Joe was the only Spitfire that ran the race.  he drove it very well and gave
a hard time to several of the TR-4 cars.
---- Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:

=============
Was Joe Hovey the only one who brought a Spitfire?  That is the only one
listed in your link.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:34 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

I didn't see them make it to mylaps.com even thought it has their URL
at the bottom of each of the timing sheets.  I scanned them in
reverse chronological order to a PDF file and posted them here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/HPT_Vintage_Results0001.pdf

- Tony Drews

At 07:10 PM 8/26/2010, Larry Young wrote:
>Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
>elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
>Larry
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From ikorey at comcast.net  Fri Aug 27 13:03:35 2010
From: ikorey at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:03:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
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References: <20100827135635.PPQ6J.617956.imail@fed1rmwml4101>
	<20100827181936.WAZS23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
	<001101cb4617$ceaedeb0$6c0c9c10$@com>
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On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:43 PM, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> How does it come that a MAG is 5 seconds faster than the fastest TR4?
>

The driver of that MGA is a 6 time National Champion, and the car is likely
closer mechanically to a current SCCA club racer than a vintage spec car. It
IS immaculate, superbly prepared and driven.

Irv


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Aug 27 13:04:56 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:04:56 +0200
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin5qoz4Pbozjd8or7rONOX4by_zuK1v9tpZOMXY@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100827135635.PPQ6J.617956.imail@fed1rmwml4101>
	<20100827181936.WAZS23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
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Okay, that is understandable.

 

Von: emanteno at gmail.com [mailto:emanteno at gmail.com] Im Auftrag von Irv Korey
Gesendet: Freitag, 27. August 2010 21:04
An: MadMarx
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

 

 

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:43 PM, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

How does it come that a MAG is 5 seconds faster than the fastest TR4?


The driver of that MGA is a 6 time National Champion, and the car is likely
closer mechanically to a current SCCA club racer than a vintage spec car. It
IS immaculate, superbly prepared and driven.

Irv


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Aug 27 13:25:27 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:25:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin5qoz4Pbozjd8or7rONOX4by_zuK1v9tpZOMXY@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100827135635.PPQ6J.617956.imail@fed1rmwml4101>
	<20100827181936.WAZS23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
	<001101cb4617$ceaedeb0$6c0c9c10$@com>
	<AANLkTin5qoz4Pbozjd8or7rONOX4by_zuK1v9tpZOMXY@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008271516580.7083@isis.mit.edu>

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Irv Korey wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:43 PM, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> How does it come that a MGA is 5 seconds faster than the fastest TR4?
>>
>
> The driver of that MGA is a 6 time National Champion, and the car is likely
> closer mechanically to a current SCCA club racer than a vintage spec car. It
> IS immaculate, superbly prepared and driven.

Ah -- Kent Prather. He's also a really nice guy and more than mildly 
interested in things Triumph. He was at the 2004 VTR National with a Chevy 
V8 powered Stag... I have a picture of him chatting with Bob Tullius.

But I digress.

As usual.

> Irv

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From emanteno at comcast.net  Fri Aug 27 13:36:34 2010
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:36:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008271516580.7083@isis.mit.edu>
References: <20100827135635.PPQ6J.617956.imail@fed1rmwml4101>
	<20100827181936.WAZS23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
	<001101cb4617$ceaedeb0$6c0c9c10$@com>
	<AANLkTin5qoz4Pbozjd8or7rONOX4by_zuK1v9tpZOMXY@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008271516580.7083@isis.mit.edu>
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On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Robert M. Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu> wrote:

Ah -- Kent Prather. He's also a really nice guy and more than mildly
> interested in things Triumph. He was at the 2004 VTR National with a Chevy
> V8 powered Stag... I have a picture of him chatting with Bob Tullius.
>
> But I digress.
>
> As usual.
>

Not really, as Kent's Stag was the pace car for the Kastner Cup race, as
well as several others. Plus, he brought it to the 2005 VTR Convention as
well.

Irv


From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Aug 27 13:41:17 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:41:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008271516580.7083@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <20100827194127.ZFVP4042.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

Ah, my competition in the Modified class (autocross).  As I recall, he had
some problems during the event (cooling system if I am not mistaken).

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Robert M. Lang
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 12:25 PM
To: Irv Korey
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Irv Korey wrote:

Ah -- Kent Prather. He's also a really nice guy and more than mildly 
interested in things Triumph. He was at the 2004 VTR National with a Chevy 
V8 powered Stag... I have a picture of him chatting with Bob Tullius.

But I digress.

As usual.

> Irv


From cartravel at pobox.com  Fri Aug 27 15:13:50 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:13:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008271516580.7083@isis.mit.edu>
References: <20100827135635.PPQ6J.617956.imail@fed1rmwml4101>
	<20100827181936.WAZS23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
	<001101cb4617$ceaedeb0$6c0c9c10$@com>
	<AANLkTin5qoz4Pbozjd8or7rONOX4by_zuK1v9tpZOMXY@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008271516580.7083@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <4C782A8E.7040407@pobox.com>

I would say only mildly interested.  A few years back, I was looking for 
someone to help me dyno tune a new TR3 engine.  I thought I might learn 
from the experts.  Since they are only a 4 hour drive from Tulsa, I gave 
them a call.  They didn't want to touch it.  Maybe they have more MG 
work than they can handle.
Larry

Robert M. Lang wrote:
>
> Ah -- Kent Prather. He's also a really nice guy and more than mildly 
> interested in things


From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Fri Aug 27 17:27:10 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:27:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SPONSORSHIP-NEW FOT RUSS WESTFALL-MINNEAPOLIS
References: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
Message-ID: <001601cb463f$5fe2e3a0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Welcome Russ!
  Isn't Duck quite a guy? He was at the Gingerman Spring Brake a few years
ago when I attended. Knows of what he speaks.
  Welcome to the club; they're a great bunch.
  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: <N197TR4 at cs.com>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Cc: <rw at dnrsales.com>
  Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 3:02 PM
  Subject: [Fot] SPONSORSHIP-NEW FOT RUSS WESTFALL-MINNEAPOLIS


  > Russ Westfall came specifically to TOPEKA to see the Kastner Cup and the
  > FOT.
  >
  > This resulted in the purchase of a TR4 race car from Bill Swopes which
he
  > is going to prepare for vintage racing by next year. The transaction was
  > consummated today.
  >
  > Mark Bradakis, please add  Russ Westfall  (rw at dnrsales.com) to our FOT
  > list.
  >
  > FOT list, be prepared to support Russ as he is new to Triumph racing. He
  > has been to a Skip Barber school at Road America with Duck Waddle as his
  > instructor and runs track days with his Corvette.
  >
  > A welcome to Russ is in order.
  >
  > Regards,
  >
  > Joe Alexander</HTML>
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Fri Aug 27 18:24:47 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:24:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
References: <AANLkTimqObcUd2+hCS61QSyf-gAM0bkQgWpwbMez3uFr@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=_y1aQ2sSwp4dBZU4evOfDSw3-2YPcQzUZ-Vqm@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002301cb4647$6c3b7790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Hey Andre, are you coming to Watkins Glen in a couple weeks for the
Vintage GP? Be good to see you there.
  How about any of the rest of FOT?
  Where did the summer go?
  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
  To: "Jason Ostrowski" <jason at multivintage.com>
  Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 2:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er


  > GT6 owner is always a must.
  >
  > A.
  >
  > On 26 August 2010 13:37, Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com> wrote:
  > > Hello FOT.
  > > I would like to nominate Brad Allen to our group. This Fine Triumph
  > > Enthusiast saved me from missing the Kastner Cup. Not only did he give
me a
  > > trans to get in the race, he stayed with us and helped us for 6 hours
  > > putting the car back together. He knows a lot about fast GT6's and
would be
  > > a great addition to FOT.
  > > Can I please have a second!
  > > Thanks
  > > Jason Ostrowski
  > > Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27
  > >
  > > Brad Allen's contact is bradgt6 at hotmail.com
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  >
  >
  > --
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Fri Aug 27 19:12:58 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:12:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need a brake pedal switch
Message-ID: <16D0F1D8D83244D789CEC2E7263BDA85@rocky>

I'm looking for an old/new brake pedal taillight switch. The thing that mounts
up near the base of the brake pedal.The one in my race car, '64 Spitfire,
finally gave out after 45 years of use.

Got a replacement from Vicky Brit. Three of them, in fact, because I managed
to break two of them putting the damn thing in. The replacement is a cheap
plastic thingy that's not too robust. The old one is a stout metal item -- no
surprise it lasted 45 years even coming from Lord Lucas (it apparently finally
found the "flicker" setting").

The same switch is apparently on all Spits and GT6s as well as TR 4-6-7-8.
What I'm hoping is someone has the old metal unit on their parts shelf, never
or seldom used. I just don't trust this plastic piece. At $4.95 it's
overpriced.

--Rocky Entriken


From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Aug 27 19:23:23 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:23:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Need a brake pedal switch
References: <16D0F1D8D83244D789CEC2E7263BDA85@rocky>
Message-ID: <86F3D760052A4983932C0B7D64AC0146@Bud>

Hey Rocky... Try taking the old one to NAPA, etc....and seeing if they can 
match up the old one to a new one by length and diameter...as long as it's 
12volt and close to the proper size, it will work..
Racer Bud
Spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: ".Triumph List" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 6:12 PM
Subject: [Fot] Need a brake pedal switch


> I'm looking for an old/new brake pedal taillight switch. The thing that 
> mounts
> up near the base of the brake pedal.The one in my race car, '64 Spitfire,
> finally gave out after 45 years of use.
>
> Got a replacement from Vicky Brit. Three of them, in fact, because I 
> managed
> to break two of them putting the damn thing in. The replacement is a cheap
> plastic thingy that's not too robust. The old one is a stout metal item --  
> no
> surprise it lasted 45 years even coming from Lord Lucas (it apparently 
> finally
> found the "flicker" setting").
>
> The same switch is apparently on all Spits and GT6s as well as TR 4-6-7-8.
> What I'm hoping is someone has the old metal unit on their parts shelf, 
> never
> or seldom used. I just don't trust this plastic piece. At $4.95 it's
> overpriced.
>
> --Rocky Entriken
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Fri Aug 27 19:25:12 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:25:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Need a brake pedal switch
In-Reply-To: <16D0F1D8D83244D789CEC2E7263BDA85@rocky>
References: <16D0F1D8D83244D789CEC2E7263BDA85@rocky>
Message-ID: <BAY157-ds19B4646B6D13A6F7D76B17C3870@phx.gbl>

I believe there is a Ford switch from a Falcon that works,  that's what I used
in my TR-3 street car when I converted it from that leaky, unreliable
hydraulic switch.

Check NAPA or whatever you have in your area.

Terry Stetler


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Fri Aug 27 20:31:43 2010
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:31:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <20100827181936.WAZS23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
Message-ID: <201204.4171.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Joe: No, it is a fresh engine we put together a couple of weeks ago. The head
is worked, cast pistons on Pauter rods, and an 1147cc crank with a
Spedi-Sleeve over the scroll. Everything else is as we have been running it.
-Ed-

--- On Fri, 8/27/10, Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:


From: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
To: "'Kas Kastner'" <kaskas at cox.net>, "'Tony Drews'" <tony at tonydrews.com>,
"'Larry Young'" <cartravel at pobox.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 1:19 PM


I am wondering if his engine is the one I sold him a few years ago.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:57 AM
To: 'Tony Drews'; Joe Curry; 'Larry Young'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

Joe was the only Spitfire that ran the race.  he drove it very well and gave
a hard time to several of the TR-4 cars.
---- Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:

=============
Was Joe Hovey the only one who brought a Spitfire?  That is the only one
listed in your link.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:34 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

I didn't see them make it to mylaps.com even thought it has their URL
at the bottom of each of the timing sheets.  I scanned them in
reverse chronological order to a PDF file and posted them here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/HPT_Vintage_Results0001.pdf

- Tony Drews

At 07:10 PM 8/26/2010, Larry Young wrote:
>Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
>elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
>Larry
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Fri Aug 27 21:32:50 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:32:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Craigslist Find-- Spit Racer
Message-ID: <502500.10510.qm@smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

http://rockford.craigslist.org/cto/1892281214.html


From emanteno at comcast.net  Fri Aug 27 21:48:54 2010
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 22:48:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need a brake pedal switch
In-Reply-To: <16D0F1D8D83244D789CEC2E7263BDA85@rocky>
References: <16D0F1D8D83244D789CEC2E7263BDA85@rocky>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimEb0B5CDZ9FWa5XLMg5A=dcYBR8XU19BuUpfaH@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com> wrote:

>
> The same switch is apparently on all Spits and GT6s as well as TR 4-6-7-8.
> What I'm hoping is someone has the old metal unit on their parts shelf,
> never
> or seldom used. I just don't trust this plastic piece. At $4.95 it's
> overpriced.
>


Go to your local NAPA, and ask for an Echlin SL310 brake light switch. It's
for a Honda but it is a perfect, high quality replacement for the POS
that is being supplied by the Big 3. I have one in my TR6, and there's one
in my former TR4 vintage racer (TR6 pedal assembly).

Irv Korey


From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Sat Aug 28 02:58:22 2010
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 18:58:22 +1000
Subject: [Fot] steering rack query
Message-ID: <AANLkTiktqguMrQdaiakYdUBGdcOqgyC2RPorkjFJVRB4@mail.gmail.com>

if anyone has a TR4,5 or 6 steering rack sitting on the shelf, can you
please measure the total length. either end of thread to end or thread (on
rack end) or centre to centre of tie rod ends
thanks. terry O'beirne, Australia


From gp89 at charter.net  Sat Aug 28 05:12:22 2010
From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 4:12:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Craigslist Find-- Spit Racer
In-Reply-To: <502500.10510.qm@smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100828071222.XSKLX.10500949.root@mp19>

The car belongs to an old friend of mine. Long time Midwestern Council member Glade Snodgrass. Very nicely engineered car. If I were to put money on it I would put I would put it on Glade to win.
Jeff Senty 
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Sat Aug 28 07:30:12 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 09:30:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Craigslist Find-- Spit Racer
In-Reply-To: <20100828071222.XSKLX.10500949.root@mp19>
References: <20100828071222.XSKLX.10500949.root@mp19>
Message-ID: <8F550FDB-0DDB-4609-8133-4DEE99038071@comcast.net>

What a deal. Someone should snap this up.


On Aug 28, 2010, at 7:12 AM, Jeff Senty wrote:

The car belongs to an old friend of mine. Long time Midwestern Council  
member Glade Snodgrass. Very nicely engineered car. If I were to put  
money on it I would put I would put it on Glade to win.
Jeff Senty
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Sat Aug 28 07:45:22 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 09:45:22 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Craigslist Find-- Spit Racer
Message-ID: <46574.12ea8483.39aa6cf2@aol.com>

In a message dated 08/28/2010 6:15:58 AM Central Daylight Time, 
gp89 at charter.net writes:


> The car belongs to an old friend of mine. Long time Midwestern Council 
> member Glade Snodgrass. Very nicely engineered car. If I were to put money on 
> it I would put I would put it on Glade to win.
> 

I sure can attest to that.  Glade Snodgrass goes FAST.

Bill Dentinger


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Sat Aug 28 10:27:13 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 12:27:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] steering rack query
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiktqguMrQdaiakYdUBGdcOqgyC2RPorkjFJVRB4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTiktqguMrQdaiakYdUBGdcOqgyC2RPorkjFJVRB4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008281225060.10588@isis.mit.edu>

On Sat, 28 Aug 2010, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:

> if anyone has a TR4,5 or 6 steering rack sitting on the shelf, can you
> please measure the total length. either end of thread to end or thread (on
> rack end) or centre to centre of tie rod ends
> thanks. terry O'beirne, Australia

TR6 rack. From a ''75 or '76 LHD model.

1 meter end to end including the inner tie rods and not including the 
outer tie rod. So we're talking threaded end to threaded end.. 39.5 
inches. Plus or minus 1/4"

regards,
rml
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Aug 28 10:54:47 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 10:54:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Craigslist Find-- Spit Racer
In-Reply-To: <8F550FDB-0DDB-4609-8133-4DEE99038071@comcast.net>
References: <20100828071222.XSKLX.10500949.root@mp19>
	<8F550FDB-0DDB-4609-8133-4DEE99038071@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4C793F57.3070106@bradakis.com>

Scott Janzen wrote:
> What a deal. Someone should snap this up.
>
>    
Well, I will eventually be getting a check from the insurance
company in an amount sufficient to cover the purchase of this
car.  But then there wouldn't be enough left to cover my
funeral expenses, as I am sure my wife would find out
about it sooner or later.

mjb.


From cofrog at q.com  Sat Aug 28 11:44:38 2010
From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 17:44:38 +0000
Subject: [Fot] IRS Stuff
Message-ID: <SNT140-w204243CD78A0B26D7D0BA4D4870@phx.gbl>

I upgraded the TR4A race car suspension.  Thus I have a set of Richard Good's
springs and two Spax adjustable rear shocks that fit the tube shock conversion
that I need to get rid of.  These are for an IRS car.

Dan Forgey


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Aug 28 11:57:52 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 12:57:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park vs New Speedsters
Message-ID: <20100828175706.34CA9187647@autox.team.net>

I think I now know why my car had so much oversteer during the all 
Triumph race:

http://picasaweb.google.com/tony.drews.88/2010_0828HPTvsSpeedster#

Those tires were brand new going into Topeka.  Normally a set of 
Speedsters lasts 4 or 5 races...  Tim Murphy was telling me that the 
track has a reputation for being hard on tires...  I guess he was right!

- Tony Drews


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sat Aug 28 14:15:10 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 14:15:10 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Shirts shipped
Message-ID: <D18D9076-2986-4084-80EA-849F08383CBE@earthlink.net>

Most of the shirts went out yesterday and the last few today. Via USPS.
Enjoy!

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM


From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Sat Aug 28 14:37:47 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 13:37:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Photographs
Message-ID: <AANLkTimeNw4PVfd4Mgz1nnyJGe+PAr0pbgkWCvvC8a3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Gentlemen:

Here is a link that anyone can use to see photos from the cup. As soon as
Luke is finished I will upload the remainder of appproximately 1000 photos.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=77773&id=1150305602&l=d0b3d5a6cf

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=77808&id=1150305602&l=c04294631b

-- 
Very truly yours,

John Nikas
Cape Coventry Racing
www.capecoventryracing.com
(949) 375-6306


From igofaster at att.net  Sat Aug 28 15:37:31 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 14:37:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
In-Reply-To: <902172812-1282848809-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1492482043-@bda835.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <902172812-1282848809-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1492482043-@bda835.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <134871.79016.qm@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I'm sure Brad Allen is already on board...  but I would like to say YES to
anpther GT6 on the forum...

Bobby Whitehead

sometimes GT6 racer....
________________________________
From: "jerrybarr at charter.net"
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To: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>;
fot-bounces at autox.team.net; 
fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010
1:53:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er

I second! We need More GT6
racers and technicians.
------Original Message------
From: Jason Ostrowski
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot]
nomination...GT6'er
Sent: Aug 26, 2010 12:37 PM

Hello FOT.
I would like to
nominate Brad Allen to our group. This Fine Triumph
Enthusiast saved me from
missing the Kastner Cup. Not only did he give me a
trans to get in the race,
he stayed with us and helped us for 6 hours
putting the car back together. He
knows a lot about fast GT6's and would be
a great addition to FOT.
Can I
please have a second!
Thanks
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27
Brad Allen's contact is bradgt6 at hotmail.com
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From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Sat Aug 28 16:15:29 2010
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 15:15:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft
References: <8CD114C338C699E-AF0-6D49@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <63754C2EC83B4A678B7FBF9C25821F94@your89d26e0447>

There are good crank grinding people who really know what they are doing. 
The best of them are able to repair cracks in steel cranks. Some years ago 
we rebuilt an AC Ace  6 cylinder engine. This was the single overhead cam 
engine designed and built by AC, not the Bristol engine.. The crank had  3 
cranks in it. The procedure is to grind the cracked area away until there is 
no more cracked material, then weld the crank back up with the proper alloy 
steel. The crank is then stress relieved and reheat treated, then reground 
to the proper size and configuration. Obviously this is a fairly expensive 
procedure and is only worth doing when the crank is an expensive, not easily 
replaceable piece.
    The technician who has done this for us in the past is Armando, at 
"custom crankshaft repair" in San Mateo. His phone number is 650 342-0568.
He is an expert in the heat treatment of cranks. He has done the best, most 
accurate and consistently sized journals we have ever had done. His 
timeliness sometimes leaves something to be desired.
                                                                             
                Greg Solow 


From dlhogye at comcast.net  Sat Aug 28 17:02:41 2010
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 23:02:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft
In-Reply-To: <502717.469717.1283036535442.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1930814004.469732.1283036561042.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

With Greg's recommendation I used Armando to do the work on a stock TR4 crankshaft which I'm about to put in my first TR race engine. All he does is crankshafts. At the same time he was working on my crank, he was doing few 250 V-12 Ferrari, a few V-12 Lamborghini, numerous 356, 911, and 911 RSR, 906, 908s and other Porsche cranks as well as a flat head Ford crank. His customers are from all around the country. Some were getting cracks repaired. There was a sea of crankshafts in his shop. He took about 5 weeks to do the work, but I was in no hurry. Armando was a pleasure to do business with and he is very enthusiastic and proud of his work. 

Dave Hogye 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Solow" <gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com> 
To: n197tr4 at cs.com, "Friends of Triumph" <FOT at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:15:29 PM 
Subject: Re: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft 

There are good crank grinding people who really know what they are doing. 
The best of them are able to repair cracks in steel cranks. Some years ago 
we rebuilt an AC Ace 6 cylinder engine. This was the single overhead cam 
engine designed and built by AC, not the Bristol engine.. The crank had 3 
cranks in it. The procedure is to grind the cracked area away until there is 
no more cracked material, then weld the crank back up with the proper alloy 
steel. The crank is then stress relieved and reheat treated, then reground 
to the proper size and configuration. Obviously this is a fairly expensive 
procedure and is only worth doing when the crank is an expensive, not easily 
replaceable piece. 
The technician who has done this for us in the past is Armando, at 
"custom crankshaft repair" in San Mateo. His phone number is 650 342-0568. 
He is an expert in the heat treatment of cranks. He has done the best, most 
accurate and consistently sized journals we have ever had done. His 
timeliness sometimes leaves something to be desired. 

Greg Solow 
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Aug 28 19:03:56 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 21:03:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft
In-Reply-To: <1930814004.469732.1283036561042.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8CD152D30D44133-10C0-2417D@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com>

This is good to know....for everyone....we have a billet crank that will
become an end table otherwise.

Thank you very much for the answer Greg and Dave.

Joe A





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Sent: Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft



With Greg's recommendation I used Armando to do the work on a stock TR4
crankshaft which I'm about to put in my first TR race engine. All he does is
crankshafts.  At the same time he was working on my crank, he was doing few
250 V-12 Ferrari, a few V-12 Lamborghini, numerous 356, 911, and 911 RSR, 906,
908s and other Porsche cranks as well as a flat head Ford crank. His customers
are from all around the country. Some were getting cracks repaired. There was
a sea of crankshafts in his shop. He took about 5 weeks to do the work, but I
was in no hurry. Armando was a pleasure to do business with and he is very
enthusiastic and proud of his work.

   Dave Hogye
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Solow" <gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>
To: n197tr4 at cs.com, "Friends of Triumph" <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:15:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft

There are good crank grinding people who really know what they are doing.
The best of them are able to repair cracks in steel cranks. Some years ago
we rebuilt an AC Ace  6 cylinder engine. This was the single overhead cam
engine designed and built by AC, not the Bristol engine.. The crank had  3
cranks in it. The procedure is to grind the cracked area away until there is
no more cracked material, then weld the crank back up with the proper alloy
steel. The crank is then stress relieved and reheat treated, then reground
to the proper size and configuration. Obviously this is a fairly expensive
procedure and is only worth doing when the crank is an expensive, not easily
replaceable piece.
    The technician who has done this for us in the past is Armando, at
"custom crankshaft repair" in San Mateo. His phone number is 650 342-0568.
He is an expert in the heat treatment of cranks. He has done the best, most
accurate and consistently sized journals we have ever had done. His
timeliness sometimes leaves something to be desired.

                Greg Solow
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From igofaster at att.net  Sat Aug 28 21:29:46 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 20:29:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
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yeah.. trying sunday to get the GT6 to fire, right. I'll probably go to TWS in 
September to crew, at minimum. It's a driving school weekend... I may slum a 
ride from some Triumph... or , gad , MG buddy....

Bobby





________________________________
From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
To: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
Sent: Sat, August 28, 2010 4:47:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er

Sure sorry you couldn't make Topeka Bobby.
Bob Kramer picked up your FoT Wheels shirt and will get it to you.
Greg
On Aug 28, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote:

> I'm sure Brad Allen is already on board...  but I would like to say  
> YES to
> anpther GT6 on the forum...
>
> Bobby Whitehead
>
> sometimes GT6 racer....
> ________________________________
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> To: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>;
> fot-bounces at autox.team.net;
> fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010
> 1:53:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
>
> I second! We need More GT6
> racers and technicians.
> ------Original Message------
> From: Jason Ostrowski
> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot]
> nomination...GT6'er
> Sent: Aug 26, 2010 12:37 PM
>
> Hello FOT.
> I would like to
> nominate Brad Allen to our group. This Fine Triumph
> Enthusiast saved me from
> missing the Kastner Cup. Not only did he give me a
> trans to get in the race,
> he stayed with us and helped us for 6 hours
> putting the car back together. He
> knows a lot about fast GT6's and would be
> a great addition to FOT.
> Can I
> please have a second!
> Thanks
> Jason Ostrowski
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> Brad Allen's contact is bradgt6 at hotmail.com
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Sun Aug 29 01:15:48 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 02:15:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need a brake pedal switch
References: <16D0F1D8D83244D789CEC2E7263BDA85@rocky>
Message-ID: <91F57EBCF6DD4A209FBE304E8BB4606E@rocky>

Thanks, guys. Going to try the NAPA suggestions first and see what they 
have. If that doesn't work out, I'll be back.

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: ".Triumph List" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:12 PM
Subject: [Fot] Need a brake pedal switch


> I'm looking for an old/new brake pedal taillight switch. The thing that 
> mounts
> up near the base of the brake pedal.The one in my race car, '64 Spitfire,
> finally gave out after 45 years of use.
>
> Got a replacement from Vicky Brit. Three of them, in fact, because I 
> managed
> to break two of them putting the damn thing in. The replacement is a cheap
> plastic thingy that's not too robust. The old one is a stout metal item --  
> no
> surprise it lasted 45 years even coming from Lord Lucas (it apparently 
> finally
> found the "flicker" setting").
>
> The same switch is apparently on all Spits and GT6s as well as TR 4-6-7-8.
> What I'm hoping is someone has the old metal unit on their parts shelf, 
> never
> or seldom used. I just don't trust this plastic piece. At $4.95 it's
> overpriced.
>
> --Rocky Entriken
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Sun Aug 29 11:26:38 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 12:26:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A8017D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

For those of you running the small-crank Spitfire motors, what do you use as a lower (crank) timing gear when using a two-row timing chain?

Scott B.


From jaboruch at netzero.net  Sun Aug 29 12:05:30 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 18:05:30 GMT
Subject: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft
Message-ID: <20100829.140530.2826.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com>

If it is a Moldex, you can send it back to Moldex for repair.  I sent one to
them some years ago.  Just be prepared to wait for a while for them to fix it.
They made a new one for me in shorter time than to repair the cracked one.
Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: n197tr4 at cs.com
To: dlhogye at comcast.net, gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com
Cc: seanax at iowalaser.com, FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 21:03:56 -0400

This is good to know....for everyone....we have a billet crank that will
become an end table otherwise.

Thank you very much for the answer Greg and Dave.

Joe A





-----Original Message-----
From: davehogye <dlhogye at comcast.net>
To: Greg Solow <gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>
Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com; Friends of Triumph <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft



With Greg's recommendation I used Armando to do the work on a stock TR4
crankshaft which I'm about to put in my first TR race engine. All he does is
crankshafts.  At the same time he was working on my crank, he was doing few
250 V-12 Ferrari, a few V-12 Lamborghini, numerous 356, 911, and 911 RSR,
906,
908s and other Porsche cranks as well as a flat head Ford crank. His
customers
are from all around the country. Some were getting cracks repaired. There was
a sea of crankshafts in his shop. He took about 5 weeks to do the work, but I
was in no hurry. Armando was a pleasure to do business with and he is very
enthusiastic and proud of his work.


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From REK46 at aol.com  Sun Aug 29 12:26:26 2010
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:26:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
Message-ID: <7aeb6.5d54b912.39ac0052@aol.com>

you have to buy the 2row timing gear and  and tensioner....I don't  think 
it does any good but add weight.Use a "NEW" cam wheel and crank gear  and 
chain and tensioner.
 
 
In a message dated 8/29/2010 1:35:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
sbarr at McCarty-Law.com writes:

For  those of you running the small-crank Spitfire motors, what do you use 
as a  lower (crank) timing gear when using a two-row timing chain?

Scott  B.
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From jason at multivintage.com  Sun Aug 29 13:42:03 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:42:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A8017D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
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Will you have the car ready to run at Blackhawk with MCSCC .... the
September event?
Hope so.
Jason, Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27

On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:

> For those of you running the small-crank Spitfire motors, what do you use
> as a lower (crank) timing gear when using a two-row timing chain?
>
> Scott B.
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From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Sun Aug 29 14:38:14 2010
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:38:14 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
Message-ID: <25695063.1283114294449.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Scott,  I use the Kent Cam setup in all my engines. It make dialing in the the cam easy.  I have one in stock if you want one.   Joe


-----Original Message-----
>From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>Sent: Aug 29, 2010 10:26 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
>
>For those of you running the small-crank Spitfire motors, what do you use as a lower (crank) timing gear when using a two-row timing chain?
>
>Scott B.
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From fpspitfire at comcast.net  Sun Aug 29 15:17:12 2010
From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:17:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A8017D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <1804778745.514819.1283116632164.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Scott,



I'm with Rick on this one.B  I've never used or had a double row timing
chain.B  They are more than double the rotating mass.B  why spend all that
money to lighen the crank and rods only to bolt it back on the front of the
engine.B  While I agree the degreeing in of the cam is easier with kent
adjustable, it just isn't worth the cost.



I've never had a timing chain or gear failure...and I can't think of a
spitfire racer who has.



aaron

#87 HP Spitfire 1500

Southern Illinois Region SCCA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Barr" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 1:26:38 PM
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?

For those of you running the small-crank Spitfire motors, what do you use as a
lower (crank) timing gear when using a two-row timing chain?

Scott B.
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From mdporter at dfn.com  Sun Aug 29 15:49:54 2010
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:49:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
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  On 8/29/2010 3:17 PM, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote:
> Scott,
>
>
>
> I'm with Rick on this one.B  I've never used or had a double row timing
> chain.B  They are more than double the rotating mass.B  why spend all that
> money to lighen the crank and rods only to bolt it back on the front of the
> engine.B  While I agree the degreeing in of the cam is easier with kent
> adjustable, it just isn't worth the cost.
>
>
>
> I've never had a timing chain or gear failure...and I can't think of a
> spitfire racer who has.
>
>
>

Umm, technically, the only rotating mass added to the crank is the extra 
row of teeth on the crank chain drive, so the additional amount is 
actually rather small (taking an extra ounce or so off the periphery of 
the flywheel would more than compensate).  The chain isn't considered as 
part of the rotating mass since it's an independent member which both 
slides and rotates on its own (at a much lower rate than either crank or 
cam), and the cam is operating at half speed, so mass effects due to 
rotation are quite a bit less than for the crank assembly.  The dual 
chain does create a bit of additional frictional drag, so it would 
consume a bit more power.


Still, I agree--if reliability is not an issue, and the cam can be 
properly degreed without an adjustable sprocket, why go to the 
additional expense?


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Aug 29 16:19:10 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:19:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
In-Reply-To: <4C7AD602.3030409@dfn.com>
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	<4C7AD602.3030409@dfn.com>
Message-ID: <099c01cb47c8$3467a4b0$0301a8c0@randall>

> The chain isn't considered as 
> part of the rotating mass since it's an independent member which both 
> slides and rotates on its own (at a much lower rate than 
> either crank or 
> cam),

I disagree.  Because the crank gear is connected to the chain, it takes the
same amount of energy to accelerate the chain as it would if the chain's
entire mass were concentrated around the rim of the gear.  The cam gear will
also add more rotational inertia than the crank gear does; even though it
turns 1/2 speed, it has twice the radius and roughly twice the mass.  Since
both speed and radius are squared in the inertia calculation (and hence
cancel out), we're still looking at roughly twice as much inertia.

Still not very much, but the effect is there.  However, I agree
whole-heartedly with not fixing what ain't broke.

Randall


From billb at bnj.com  Sun Aug 29 16:40:04 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:40:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
In-Reply-To: <4C7AD602.3030409@dfn.com>
References: <1804778745.514819.1283116632164.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<4C7AD602.3030409@dfn.com>
Message-ID: <950A39DE-8AFA-4756-AD8A-4D22A67EF6FC@bnj.com>

While the chain is not directly connected to the chainwheel it's full weight
has to be accelerated. Consider a chain on a sprocket that was the same
circumference as the sprocket. You would certainly consider that part of the
rotating mass. Making the chain longer doesn't reduce the mass.
>
> Umm, technically, the only rotating mass added to the crank is the extra row
of teeth on the crank chain drive, so the additional amount is actually rather
small (taking an extra ounce or so off the periphery of the flywheel would
more than compensate).  The chain isn't considered as part of the rotating
mass since it's an independent member which both slides and rotates on its own
(at a much lower rate than either crank or cam), and the cam is operating at
half speed, so mass effects due to rotation are quite a bit less than for the
crank assembly.  The dual chain does create a bit of additional frictional
drag, so it would consume a bit more power.
>
>
> Still, I agree--if reliability is not an issue, and the cam can be properly
degreed without an adjustable sprocket, why go to the additional expense?
>
>
> Cheers.
>
> --
>
>
> Michael Porter
> Roswell, NM


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Sun Aug 29 17:14:02 2010
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:14:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
Message-ID: <509304.94065.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Scott: All the agreeing/disagreeing over the amount of mass added aside, if
you want the double chain it requires more than just adding and double row
crank sprocket, double row
cam gear, and the wider tensioner. The double row crank sprocket did not
appear on the TR6 until the second year, and all six cylinder journels are
larger then the Spitty small journel . If you want to use that sprocket you
need to modify the sprocket to fit the smaller journel crank by adding an
insert. In the past Russ Moore has made some for the group, but, any good
machine shop can do the same if Russ no longer does them. Just purchase the
crank sprocket, cam gear, chain, and tensioner for '70-'76 TR6.
Thanks - Ed
   
--- On Sun, 8/29/10, REK46 at aol.com <REK46 at aol.com> wrote:


From: REK46 at aol.com <REK46 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com, fot at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 1:26 PM


you have to buy the 2row timing gear and  and tensioner....I don't  think
it does any good but add weight.Use a "NEW" cam wheel and crank gear  and
chain and tensioner.


In a message dated 8/29/2010 1:35:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
sbarr at McCarty-Law.com writes:

For  those of you running the small-crank Spitfire motors, what do you use
as a  lower (crank) timing gear when using a two-row timing chain?

Scott  B.
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From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Sun Aug 29 18:57:03 2010
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:57:03 +1000
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Racers
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAPDLifM8kIZLvyJERqBpxJIBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>

Gentlemen,

 

Can you let me know what ENGINE components you have had good reliability
results with? I am about to prepare a TR6 race engine with the collective
wisdom of the group! No use re-inventing the wheel.

 

1.    Pistons - Brand etc.

2.    Crankshaft - Billet

3.    Connecting Rods - Brand

 

 

Thank you in advance

 

Kind Regards

Peter Vucinic

TR-4 
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Sat Aug 28 16:07:44 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 18:07:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Craigslist Find-- Spit Racer
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	<8F550FDB-0DDB-4609-8133-4DEE99038071@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <1C0690C5-7070-4CAE-8304-D36AB922BD1A@comcast.net>

  But you'd die with more toys - isn't that the saying?

On Aug 28, 2010, at 12:54 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:

Scott Janzen wrote:
> What a deal. Someone should snap this up.
>
>
Well, I will eventually be getting a check from the insurance
company in an amount sufficient to cover the purchase of this
car.  But then there wouldn't be enough left to cover my
funeral expenses, as I am sure my wife would find out
about it sooner or later.

mjb.
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sun Aug 29 20:12:19 2010
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 19:12:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Racers
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAPDLifM8kIZLvyJERqBpxJIBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
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1.    Pistons - Brand etc.  ~ Venolia
 2.    Crankshaft - Billet  ~ Stock balanced and cryogenic treated with 
extra thrust washer pinned (long snout 1969)
 3.    Connecting Rods - Brand ~ stock lightened, cleaned as per Kastner
Petrol injected car making about 190 hp (?)

Charly Mitchel
 TR6 #44

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Vucinic" <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 5:57 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Racers


> Gentlemen,
>
>
>
> Can you let me know what ENGINE components you have had good reliability
> results with? I am about to prepare a TR6 race engine with the collective
> wisdom of the group! No use re-inventing the wheel.
>
>
>
> 1.    Pistons - Brand etc.
>
> 2.    Crankshaft - Billet
>
> 3.    Connecting Rods - Brand
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you in advance
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sun Aug 29 21:55:29 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:55:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Cryo treatment
In-Reply-To: <D669D782B69A4C70BEB0EF060CD1C841@desktop>
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	<D669D782B69A4C70BEB0EF060CD1C841@desktop>
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Personally I have no gripes with rotor wear even with KFP pads. I did  
have the front stub axles done. Also had my rear axles done with  
bearings and seals installed - no problem. But that was before I went  
Southwick. Next time around I'll do the rods, rocker assembly and  
valve springs.
On a side note, the first crank I had done came back with a crack  
right where you'd expect it [on a 4] - at the #4 journal. It had been  
magna-fluxed before the treatment and after. I am convinced that the  
treatment brought the previously undetected crack to the visible  
surface and saved me a engine right there.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Aug 29, 2010, at 9:26 PM, Charly Mitchel wrote:

> I got my done by a firm locally and I thought was reasonable, I  
> think about $125.
> Yeah, I like it and I'm thinking of having some brake rotors done  
> to see how they last.
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 30 06:46:58 2010
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 05:46:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
Message-ID: <14949.9634.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Kas


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 30 07:03:56 2010
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 06:03:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] 1967 TR4A IRS
Message-ID: <243004.2554.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI - I just picked up a TR4A that is in need of alot of frame repair.
Anyone know of an IRS frame that is available?

Thanks
Dennis


From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Mon Aug 30 08:05:32 2010
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:05:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
In-Reply-To: <14949.9634.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <14949.9634.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009301cb484c$69246ba0$3b6d42e0$@net>

Hmmmmmm....the Birthday Boy... Happy Birthday Kas 

Craig


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Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:47 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday

Kas
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Mon Aug 30 09:39:08 2010
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:39:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 1967 TR4A IRS
In-Reply-To: <243004.2554.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <243004.2554.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B84A1EF5-B629-4F4B-A8A7-191A28866486@aol.com>

I believe Ratco makes new frames.  I saw them and they are very nice.  

Chris

Sent from my IPhone


On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:03 AM, Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> AMICI - I just picked up a TR4A that is in need of alot of frame repair.
> Anyone know of an IRS frame that is available?
> 
> Thanks
> Dennis
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Aug 30 10:22:59 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:22:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 1967 TR4A IRS
In-Reply-To: <B84A1EF5-B629-4F4B-A8A7-191A28866486@aol.com>
References: <243004.2554.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<B84A1EF5-B629-4F4B-A8A7-191A28866486@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CD1676BEEAAFDF-FF0-1D49@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com>

I have been to RATCO in Long Island....

First Class engineering and product with great reputation.

There are a couple of FOT/RATCO frames out there.





-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Bock <SeaCubeCo at aol.com>
To: Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:39 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] 1967 TR4A IRS


I believe Ratco makes new frames.  I saw them and they are very nice.
Chris
Sent from my IPhone

n Aug 30, 2010, at 9:03 AM, Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> AMICI - I just picked up a TR4A that is in need of alot of frame repair.
 Anyone know of an IRS frame that is available?

 Thanks
 Dennis
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon Aug 30 10:40:12 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:40:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
In-Reply-To: <14949.9634.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<009301cb484c$69246ba0$3b6d42e0$@net>
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	<009301cb484c$69246ba0$3b6d42e0$@net>
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Happy Birthday Kas.


Terry Stetler


From gasket.works at gte.net  Mon Aug 30 10:40:12 2010
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:40:12 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 1967 TR4A IRS
Message-ID: <259561614-1283186410-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1716774716-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Don't fuss with an old frame unless this is for a street car.  RATCO has a very well built frame.....
M 
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile


From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 30 11:20:45 2010
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:20:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
In-Reply-To: <14949.9634.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <743922.63134.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Second ...  (or whatever)....
 
Happy Birthday, & wishes for many more. 
 
Thanks for all your help to the Fot.
 
Hope you're doing something fun today;>)


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire

--- On Mon, 8/30/10, Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


From: Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 7:46 AM


Kas
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Aug 30 13:17:29 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:17:29 +0200
Subject: [Fot] How to shift without clutch....
In-Reply-To: <259561614-1283186410-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1716774716-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXidXhMCIhk


From gp89 at charter.net  Mon Aug 30 16:10:26 2010
From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:10:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
In-Reply-To: <009301cb484c$69246ba0$3b6d42e0$@net>
Message-ID: <20100830181026.PQBC6.10606260.root@mp12>

Ooo that reminds me today is my wife's birthday. I better run to the store before she gets home!
Jeff
---- Craig <wensley_tr at comcast.net> wrote: 
> Hmmmmmm....the Birthday Boy... Happy Birthday Kas 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Mon Aug 30 20:00:57 2010
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:00:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Non AMC - Vintage race car - in car camera - The AMC Forum
Message-ID: <0ED0C93CD7344AF2BDBB3A26A558A958@Bucktailus>

Here is how its done, boys.  Good driving and  great performing engine.  How
about that acceleration on the upper end, for 1600 cc.
R. Johns




      http://www.theamcforum.com/forum/non-amc--vintage-race-car--in-car-came
ra_topic19998.html



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From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Mon Aug 30 21:14:36 2010
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:14:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park- Kasner Cup
Message-ID: <95C924CF2F0F49B89F6B1D88491B23C1@Bucktailus>

It has been said: "Better late than never!"  I wish to reactivate the subject
of what a great time was had in Topeka.  We had a most enjoyable time with
fantastic people!  What a nice bunch!  We finally got home after a few days at
our daughter's in Chicago. Yes, it was hot, but we survived and the great
competition and camaraderie was worth the heat.  Our congratulations to Bob
Kramer and to Keith Files.  Bob, I didn't get to meet you, but will in the
future. Keith, it was an honor to meet you (and your "spirited" wife) and my
wife thinks you are a hoot.   Kas and Peg and Jan and Joe were a delight to be
with.  Kas and Joe, you do such a great job guiding these guys. As an old Ford
Engineering friend of mine from the Upper Peninsula of Michigan used to say,
"we are all cut from the same bolt of shoddy cloth."  We hope to make it to
Laguna Seca next year, barring other conflicts.
R. Johns


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Aug 30 21:21:33 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:21:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] photobucket.com/ambro new seal centering tool and the retro
 63 split window corvette
Message-ID: <8CD16D2BF3F9FC5-195C-8416@webmail-d086.sysops.aol.com>

A couple of pictures you might be interested in or entertained by......
photobucket.com/ambro

John Nikas stopped in this summer with a 'mule'.  A styling exercise I think
was initiated by GM and executed by a tier one supplier. ZO6 underpinnings
with split window coupe retro stling cues is very attractive with modern
performance.

A picture of several new TR3/TR4 scroll seal centering tools.  The dimensions
reflect a change from the factory manual, after three independent reviews took
place in recent history. The new dimensions suggest that the TR engineers
reduced the clearance of the scroll seal and the manuals did not get changed.
Tools made to the factory manuals may separate the scroll seal at it's split
seams, creating a source of leakage.

These scroll seal centering tools will be available through BPNW, Moss, and
likely through TRF.

The seal centering tool can also be used with Chris Marx' new VITON seal
conversion. The modified scroll seal and the VITON seal can be obtained in
NORTH AMERICA from ARE.

photobucket.com/ambro                              (1st two pictures at the
moment)


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Aug  1 03:30:34 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 11:30:34 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Dashboard design
In-Reply-To: <4F6C089A81BA49A3BAA6CF99B1C24F47@homekeith>
References: <A7DB131E38D846BAA00DB31F5A52F344@your89d26e0447><001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com><CDA1DF0AF3784A718D942B34222449A5@your89d26e0447><000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com><D6F955CB372C4A8CAF7CBDD4EEA58B58@TER2>
	<000001cb2c07$5590d760$00b28620$@com>
	<4F6C089A81BA49A3BAA6CF99B1C24F47@homekeith>
Message-ID: <000001cb315c$335a9dc0$9a0fd940$@com>

Well,
after I met the racing team which does distribute these datalogger system
they installed it to my car for the Nordschleife event and they chose a
dashboard design for the event.
The equipment did very well I would say and so I bought it then. But I was
unhappy with the dashboard design...but now I have a new dashboard on the
screen which should be more suitable for a historic car:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xO-P436F_Y

Cheers
Chris


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Aug  1 05:59:49 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 07:59:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <SNT141-w13B23AD040A7D51594DB2B2AC0@phx.gbl>
References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<SNT141-w13B23AD040A7D51594DB2B2AC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CCFF882D47BD7B-1E80-26EFA@webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com>

We use a pair of MG GT springs rated at 480#s at the front and it sets the
ride height nicely as I remember it.  Several others have used these
springs....I think most have stayed with it.

Spax shocks at hard setting.

1.5-2.0 degree camber with modified upper A-Arms

0  -  1/32  Toe out

3/4" Goodparts swaybar.

We use no rear sway bar...and many others do not.

A simple low cost set up that seems effective for our purposes.

We tend to be more conservative on the costs....and need to be.

(Now we have two cars, three drivers, and one more driver at least, pending)





-----Original Message-----
From: Tony and Annie Garmey <horizonracing at msn.com>
To: deweerdm at rogers.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2010 11:32 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering


 Live axle car: check the front Spring rates (4-500lbs is a good starting
oint),That the ride height is Lower than the rear( A arms are parallel to the
evel ground) That the sway bar is not seized in the pillar blocks (3/4-7/8
ia), are the shocks working the same ? and IMHO, the welded diff needs to
o.
he quick steer rack is worth the dollars spent and I've added a 1/2 rear sway
ar to help with turn in as the TR 4 is or does have a lazy turn in.  I prefer
 pointy or crisp turn in. Using Hoosier speedster tires & yok. 048's.
very car/driver has there own preference and only testing different
ars/springs/shocks will get you were you need to go... the way you want it.
cheers & good luck
ony
> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:38:53 -0700
 From: deweerdm at rogers.com
 To: fot at autox.team.net
 Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering

 Hello list.
 I'm looking for any advice on how to get my TR4 to corner better. It seems
o
 under-steer immensely.
 I am now in the process of changing front springs and shocks because as I
 put heat into the tires, the car would dive down when I turn the wheel to
he
 left twice as much as when I turn to the right.(so I figured the left
pring
 to be weak). I have no idea of the age of the shocks or springs.
 I find that when entering a tight turn the car will continue straight no
 matter how much I turn the wheel and when the car slows down enough the
ront
 will then turn quite quickly and I have to counter-steer (straighten) the
 wheel. This makes turns seem jerky and unsafe to other racers.
 I have a welded rear live axle. (which just broke in the last race) and I
 noticed my "new" front Hoosiers are pretty much done after 4 races while
he
 back still look new.
 Now perhaps it's just me and I have to learn to drive slower into tight
urns
 while the MGB's fly past me, or I need to look at something in the front
nd?
 the car has 1/16 th to 1/8 toe in. the steering rack is tight, it has poly
 bushing through out the front end

 Any ideas would be appreciated, Thank you
 Mike
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Aug  1 07:04:43 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 08:04:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Dashboard design
In-Reply-To: <000001cb315c$335a9dc0$9a0fd940$@com>
References: <A7DB131E38D846BAA00DB31F5A52F344@your89d26e0447>
	<001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com>
	<CDA1DF0AF3784A718D942B34222449A5@your89d26e0447>
	<000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com>
	<D6F955CB372C4A8CAF7CBDD4EEA58B58@TER2>
	<000001cb2c07$5590d760$00b28620$@com>
	<4F6C089A81BA49A3BAA6CF99B1C24F47@homekeith>
	<000001cb315c$335a9dc0$9a0fd940$@com>
Message-ID: <20100801130355.A2DA6187644@autox.team.net>

Very cool!  I love the rear view mirror display.  The gauges are nice 
and are suitable for the car.

Which system is it?

- Tony

At 04:30 AM 8/1/2010, MadMarx wrote:
>Well,
>after I met the racing team which does distribute these datalogger system
>they installed it to my car for the Nordschleife event and they chose a
>dashboard design for the event.
>The equipment did very well I would say and so I bought it then. But I was
>unhappy with the dashboard design...but now I have a new dashboard on the
>screen which should be more suitable for a historic car:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xO-P436F_Y
>
>Cheers
>Chris
>_______________________________________________
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>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Aug  1 08:50:27 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 16:50:27 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001301cb3188$e443c130$accb4390$@com>

Hi,

I'm using stock springs all around but beefed up the front springs with
rubber bits in 3 coils.
I'm running 5 degree camber and .5 degree or slightly less toe in at each
wheel.
I have a 21mm front sway bar and a 17.5mm rear one.
Shocks
Front - Koni red
Rear - stock with stiffer oil
LSD - welded as you

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von MIKE DEWEERD
Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. August 2010 05:39
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Hard cornering

Hello list.
I'm looking for any advice on how to get my TR4 to corner better. It seems
to
under-steer immensely.
   I am now in the process of changing front springs and shocks because as I
put heat into the tires, the car would dive down when I turn the wheel to
the
left twice as much as when I turn to the right.(so I figured the left spring
to be weak). I have no idea of the age of the shocks or springs.
  I find that when entering a tight turn the car will continue straight no
matter how much I turn the wheel and when the car slows down enough the
front
will then turn quite quickly and I have to counter-steer (straighten) the
wheel. This makes turns seem jerky and unsafe to other racers.
  I have a welded rear live axle. (which just broke in the last race) and I
noticed my "new" front Hoosiers are pretty much done after 4 races while the
back still look new.
 Now perhaps it's just me and I have to learn to drive slower into tight
turns
while the MGB's fly past me, or I need to look at something in the front
end?
the car has 1/16 th to 1/8 toe in. the steering rack is tight, it has poly
bushing through out the front end

Any ideas would be appreciated, Thank you
Mike
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sun Aug  1 09:47:54 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 11:47:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Dashboard design (jch: now tach location)
In-Reply-To: <000001cb315c$335a9dc0$9a0fd940$@com>
References: <A7DB131E38D846BAA00DB31F5A52F344@your89d26e0447><001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com><CDA1DF0AF3784A718D942B34222449A5@your89d26e0447><000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com><D6F955CB372C4A8CAF7CBDD4EEA58B58@TER2>
	<000001cb2c07$5590d760$00b28620$@com>
	<4F6C089A81BA49A3BAA6CF99B1C24F47@homekeith>
	<000001cb315c$335a9dc0$9a0fd940$@com>
Message-ID: <4C55972A.9050907@blacksburg.net>

On 8/1/2010 5:30 AM, MadMarx wrote:
> Well,
> after I met the racing team which does distribute these datalogger system
> they installed it to my car for the Nordschleife event and they chose a
> dashboard design for the event.
> The equipment did very well I would say and so I bought it then. But I was
> unhappy with the dashboard design...but now I have a new dashboard on the
> screen which should be more suitable for a historic car:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xO-P436F_Y
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>    
Very nice Chris.  What system is it?  It's cool to see the traffic rear 
view.  Is the speedometer in KPH?

Side question for the List: do folks leave the tach on the stock, left 
hand position, or move it to the right?  I've moved mine to the right, 
harkening back to my piloting days, where the primary flight control and 
engine instruments were in a tight group for scanning.  It makes it 
easier for me to see how the engine is doing by scanning from tach to 
oil pressure to temp, and occasionally to AFR (unfortunately mounted out 
of easy scan).

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Aug  1 11:31:52 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 19:31:52 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Dashboard design (jch: now tach location)
In-Reply-To: <4C55972A.9050907@blacksburg.net>
References: <A7DB131E38D846BAA00DB31F5A52F344@your89d26e0447><001601cb28b3$0e231bb0$2a695310$@com><CDA1DF0AF3784A718D942B34222449A5@your89d26e0447><000101cb2986$93b573d0$bb205b70$@com><D6F955CB372C4A8CAF7CBDD4EEA58B58@TER2>
	<000001cb2c07$5590d760$00b28620$@com>
	<4F6C089A81BA49A3BAA6CF99B1C24F47@homekeith>
	<000001cb315c$335a9dc0$9a0fd940$@com>
	<4C55972A.9050907@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <000101cb319f$6e544a50$4afcdef0$@com>

It is a similar system like Mark Vaden use.
The only difference is that for the system I bought the dealer is in Germany
which makes it easier for me.

The system is from
http://www.race-technology.com/home_2.html

But the system from Mark is also great:
http://www.chasecam.com/

Have a look on his videos:
http://www.britishheritagemotorsports.com/TriHard_Racing.html

Your opinion with the tach position is right I would say but after 20 years
of TR driving I got used to have the tack left.
And my shift light is also on the left side because I found no better place
to hide it in front of the vents.


Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: J.C. Hassall [mailto:jhassall at blacksburg.net]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. August 2010 17:48
An: MadMarx
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Dashboard design (jch: now tach location)

On 8/1/2010 5:30 AM, MadMarx wrote:
> Well,
> after I met the racing team which does distribute these datalogger system
> they installed it to my car for the Nordschleife event and they chose a
> dashboard design for the event.
> The equipment did very well I would say and so I bought it then. But I was
> unhappy with the dashboard design...but now I have a new dashboard on the
> screen which should be more suitable for a historic car:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xO-P436F_Y
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
Very nice Chris.  What system is it?  It's cool to see the traffic rear
view.  Is the speedometer in KPH?

Side question for the List: do folks leave the tach on the stock, left
hand position, or move it to the right?  I've moved mine to the right,
harkening back to my piloting days, where the primary flight control and
engine instruments were in a tight group for scanning.  It makes it
easier for me to see how the engine is doing by scanning from tach to
oil pressure to temp, and occasionally to AFR (unfortunately mounted out
of easy scan).

jim

--
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From rjl at gt-classics.com  Sun Aug  1 12:00:47 2010
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 14:00:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B0.B7.24219.556B55C4@smtp02.embarq.synacor.com>

Definitively some good suggestions here, but I'd like
to add another one.  Check your alignment.  For
autocross, I preferred to use about a quarter inch of
toe out.  For higher speed courses, I would back that
off to about an 1/8 inch toe out, or zero toe.  That will
help the initial turn in a bit.

John

At 11:38 PM 7/31/2010, MIKE DEWEERD wrote:
>Hello list.
>I'm looking for any advice on how to get my TR4 to corner better. It seems to
>under-steer immensely.
>    I am now in the process of changing front springs and shocks because as I
>put heat into the tires, the car would dive down when I turn the wheel to the
>left twice as much as when I turn to the right.(so I figured the left spring
>to be weak). I have no idea of the age of the shocks or springs.
>   I find that when entering a tight turn the car will continue straight no
>matter how much I turn the wheel and when the car slows down enough the front
>will then turn quite quickly and I have to counter-steer (straighten) the
>wheel. This makes turns seem jerky and unsafe to other racers.
>   I have a welded rear live axle. (which just broke in the last race) and I
>noticed my "new" front Hoosiers are pretty much done after 4 races while the
>back still look new.
>  Now perhaps it's just me and I have to learn to drive slower into 
> tight turns
>while the MGB's fly past me, or I need to look at something in the front end?
>the car has 1/16 th to 1/8 toe in. the steering rack is tight, it has poly
>bushing through out the front end
>
>Any ideas would be appreciated, Thank you
>Mike
>_______________________________________________
>fot at autox.team.net
>
>http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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Thanks,
R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net 


From KENMUN at aol.com  Sun Aug  1 13:05:53 2010
From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 15:05:53 EDT
Subject: [Fot] tr 3/4 timing chain sprockets and chain
Message-ID: <10d055.6830d9ea.39871f91@aol.com>

fot, i need both sprockets and chain. if you don't have all, a partial is  
ok. thanks, ken m. tr3 vintage racer


From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Aug  1 16:42:41 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 15:42:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Car Ad  COULD BE A TRIUMPH!
Message-ID: <DE91D4BDD1154894B46A699C6F77F59A@Bud>

Great way to start the day....:>)









        Watch this if you dont laugh at this there is no hope for you..
heheheha

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type video/x-ms-wmv which had a name of BestCarAdEver.wmv]


From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Aug  1 17:04:15 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 17:04:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Car Ad  COULD BE A TRIUMPH!
In-Reply-To: <DE91D4BDD1154894B46A699C6F77F59A@Bud>
References: <DE91D4BDD1154894B46A699C6F77F59A@Bud>
Message-ID: <4C55FD6F.5070508@bradakis.com>

> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type video/x-ms-wmv which had a name of BestCarAdEver.wmv]
>    

If I told you once, ...

Some days I do feel like no one ever listens to me, the list admin.

mjb.


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Aug  1 18:40:19 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 17:40:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Car Ad  COULD BE A TRIUMPH!
In-Reply-To: <4C55FD6F.5070508@bradakis.com>
References: <DE91D4BDD1154894B46A699C6F77F59A@Bud>
	<4C55FD6F.5070508@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <035b01cb31db$4933ee10$0301a8c0@randall>

> Some days I do feel like no one ever listens to me, 

Listening is one thing; remembering is another thing entirely!

Randall "My glasses were here a minute ago ..."


From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Aug  2 04:22:46 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 05:22:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006001cb322c$a78210e0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

The welded diff debate has occurred within this group
in the past.   Some of us like it others do not.
It does require a different driving style.  Stability of
attitude depends upon the throttle being screwed fully
down all the way thru the corner.  Gotta pitch the thing
into the hairpins.  Corner exit is pretty good.  the fact that
something broke makes me think maybe you were not
going fast enough to unload the inside tire.
My old TR3 used to go thru slow corners with both inside
tires off the ground.

art de armond
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MIKE DEWEERD" <deweerdm at rogers.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 10:38 PM
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering


> Hello list.
> I'm looking for any advice on how to get my TR4 to corner better. It seems 
> to
> under-steer immensely.
>   I am now in the process of changing front springs and shocks because as 
> I
> put heat into the tires, the car would dive down when I turn the wheel to 
> the
> left twice as much as when I turn to the right.(so I figured the left 
> spring
> to be weak). I have no idea of the age of the shocks or springs.
>  I find that when entering a tight turn the car will continue straight no
> matter how much I turn the wheel and when the car slows down enough the 
> front
> will then turn quite quickly and I have to counter-steer (straighten) the
> wheel. This makes turns seem jerky and unsafe to other racers.
>  I have a welded rear live axle. (which just broke in the last race) and I
> noticed my "new" front Hoosiers are pretty much done after 4 races while 
> the
> back still look new.
> Now perhaps it's just me and I have to learn to drive slower into tight 
> turns
> while the MGB's fly past me, or I need to look at something in the front 
> end?
> the car has 1/16 th to 1/8 toe in. the steering rack is tight, it has poly
> bushing through out the front end
>
> Any ideas would be appreciated, Thank you
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Aug  2 06:26:56 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 14:26:56 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <006001cb322c$a78210e0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<006001cb322c$a78210e0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <000001cb323e$0076d4e0$01647ea0$@com>

I really don't feel any push at my car.
It has a crisp turning in.
I really love the welded diff. The balance of the car is so nice and easy
and predictable.

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von riverside
Gesendet: Montag, 2. August 2010 12:23
An: MIKE DEWEERD; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering

The welded diff debate has occurred within this group
in the past.   Some of us like it others do not.
It does require a different driving style.  Stability of
attitude depends upon the throttle being screwed fully
down all the way thru the corner.  Gotta pitch the thing
into the hairpins.  Corner exit is pretty good.  the fact that
something broke makes me think maybe you were not
going fast enough to unload the inside tire.
My old TR3 used to go thru slow corners with both inside
tires off the ground.

art de armond
----- Original Message -----
From: "MIKE DEWEERD" <deweerdm at rogers.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 10:38 PM
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering


> Hello list.
> I'm looking for any advice on how to get my TR4 to corner better. It seems

> to
> under-steer immensely.
>   I am now in the process of changing front springs and shocks because as
> I
> put heat into the tires, the car would dive down when I turn the wheel to
> the
> left twice as much as when I turn to the right.(so I figured the left
> spring
> to be weak). I have no idea of the age of the shocks or springs.
>  I find that when entering a tight turn the car will continue straight no
> matter how much I turn the wheel and when the car slows down enough the
> front
> will then turn quite quickly and I have to counter-steer (straighten) the
> wheel. This makes turns seem jerky and unsafe to other racers.
>  I have a welded rear live axle. (which just broke in the last race) and I
> noticed my "new" front Hoosiers are pretty much done after 4 races while
> the
> back still look new.
> Now perhaps it's just me and I have to learn to drive slower into tight
> turns
> while the MGB's fly past me, or I need to look at something in the front
> end?
> the car has 1/16 th to 1/8 toe in. the steering rack is tight, it has poly
> bushing through out the front end
>
> Any ideas would be appreciated, Thank you
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Aug  2 07:15:09 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:15:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Dashboard design & data loggers
In-Reply-To: <000001cb315c$335a9dc0$9a0fd940$@com>
Message-ID: <1547908884.582826.1280754909346.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Chris, 

What brand of data logger is it? I'm using the Traqmate system. I've only logged a couple races so 

far but already seeing where I can improve. The Traqmate system has a similar dashboard 

but I don't have the software yet to sync up the data to my video.. 



Jim G 




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2010 3:30:34 AM 
Subject: [Fot] Dashboard design 

Well, 
after I met the racing team which does distribute these datalogger system 
they installed it to my car for the Nordschleife event and they chose a 
dashboard design for the event. 
The equipment did very well I would say and so I bought it then. But I was 
unhappy with the dashboard design...but now I have a new dashboard on the 
screen which should be more suitable for a historic car: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xO-P436F_Y 

Cheers 
Chris 
_______________________________________________ 
fot at autox.team.net 

http://www.fot-racing.com 

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Aug  2 07:26:16 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 15:26:16 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Dashboard design & data loggers
In-Reply-To: <1547908884.582826.1280754909346.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <000001cb315c$335a9dc0$9a0fd940$@com>
	<1547908884.582826.1280754909346.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000c01cb3246$4b3e1350$e1ba39f0$@com>

Hi Jim,



this is the machinery:

http://www.race-technology.com/home_2.html



It does blend in the dashboard during the recording but you are also free to
do the blend in later at the PC.

I have this equipment:

Dash 3

DL1

Video4



Cheers

Chris



Von: toodamnfunky at comcast.net [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net]
Gesendet: Montag, 2. August 2010 15:15
An: MadMarx
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Dashboard design & data loggers



Chris,

What brand of data logger is it? I'm using the Traqmate system. I've only
logged a couple races so

far but already seeing where I can improve. The Traqmate system has a similar
dashboard

but I don't have the software yet to sync up the data to my video..



Jim G




----- Original Message -----
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2010 3:30:34 AM
Subject: [Fot] Dashboard design

Well,
after I met the racing team which does distribute these datalogger system
they installed it to my car for the Nordschleife event and they chose a
dashboard design for the event.
The equipment did very well I would say and so I bought it then. But I was
unhappy with the dashboard design...but now I have a new dashboard on the
screen which should be more suitable for a historic car:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xO-P436F_Y

Cheers
Chris
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Mon Aug  2 10:14:15 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 10:14:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Last call - Shirt orders
Message-ID: <B45FCCFE-E09E-4B72-A1C2-50C695E4A163@earthlink.net>

Last call for our very special, very limited edition "FoT Wheels" /  
Kastner Cup shirts. Response has been a bit dismal - apparently not  
everyone is as enthusiastic about the design as I am. Don't know when  
we will get another opportunity to combine a contemporary theme with  
a National Championship winning Triumph, the Kastner Cup and the  
inaugural event of a new club.
That's my last pitch.
For those who have sent your payment, I'll be sending you a  
confirmation before the order goes in.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM



Here are the links and details again.

Shirt front: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/Picture%201.png

Shirt back: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/KastnerBackUse.jpg


Sizes S - XL are $12.50 ea. + $1.25 for 2X-5X
Shipping  will be $3.50. That makes S-XL $16 and 2X-5X $17.25 or pick  
them up at the track.

Full color silk screen on a100% cotton white tee.
Be sure to specify the size[s] with your payment.


Payment via PayPal to:
lunkercars at earthlink.net

Send checks to:
Lunkercars
323-K Claremont Ave NW
Albuquerque NM 87107

If paying by check, please also send me a e-mail so I know the numbers.
Thanks.


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Aug  2 15:57:06 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:57:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Stupid Question...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008021750200.31896@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

This topic came up while installing the tranny in my race car. In short, I 
converted a RHD late TR6 (CR1871) to LHD about 10 years ago. I have most 
of the large pieces (dash, pedal box, accelerator pedal) and maybe a 
couple of misc stuff. I know they didn't make too many late RHD PI TR6s...

A dude from somewhere in the US is prepping a car for export to NZ and is 
looking at buying the stuff. In my usual charitable way, I suggested that 
I'd let the stuff go "cheap". I'm rethinking that path.

SO, what's this stuff worth? Off list is probably better - I'll summarize 
if I get any reasonable replies that are okay to share.

I had thought about restoring the tub to RHD and shipping the car off, but 
it would be a fairly big deal to return the car to RHD and streetable at 
this point (it's been a race car for 10 years)... but I bagged that idea a 
long time ago. So I'll likely sell the bits.

regards,
rml
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From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Mon Aug  2 16:33:17 2010
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:33:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Two car trailer
Message-ID: <1907609.1280788397166.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi FOT I'm looking for info on a two car trailer.  I have one now and a friend wants to add to his trailer. He has a 16 or 18 ft Carson now and we want to add a second car to it. We have a picture of a trailer heading up north on the 101 with two Spits on it. One on top of the other.  Please contact me .  Thanks    Joe

Chequered Flag Racing .net
Joseph P. Siam
9833 Deering Ave unit I
Chatsworth Ca 91311
818 350 6222


From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Aug  2 16:45:14 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 15:45:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Two car trailer
In-Reply-To: <1907609.1280788397166.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <1907609.1280788397166.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3AC54ED7F6FA4F8383B03F33C9FBCCF8@joepentiumnew>

Here is what I did:

http://members.cox.net/spitlist/Trailer.htm

By stacking the two cars, it is much shorter and therefore easier to handle
than most 2 car trailers.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Joseph Siam
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 3:33 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Two car trailer

Hi FOT I'm looking for info on a two car trailer.  I have one now and a
friend wants to add to his trailer. He has a 16 or 18 ft Carson now and we
want to add a second car to it. We have a picture of a trailer heading up
north on the 101 with two Spits on it. One on top of the other.  Please
contact me .  Thanks    Joe

Chequered Flag Racing .net
Joseph P. Siam
9833 Deering Ave unit I
Chatsworth Ca 91311
818 350 6222
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From igofaster at att.net  Mon Aug  2 18:07:19 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:07:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] My Spitfire Racecar on eBay
Message-ID: <757496.16482.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I listed a Triumph Spitfire on eBay last night. I bought it in March 2010 off of 
eBay. Would make a nice start for someone looking to get into vintage racing...
Item # 200503910599

Bobby Whitehead


From dave at microworks.net  Mon Aug  2 20:04:00 2010
From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 19:04:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] That new AZ track to be featured on Speed
Message-ID: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF034F71@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local>

The new track that opened this year down in Wilcox, Arizona will be
featured on Speed next week.



"Battle of the Supercars" filmed at Inde Motorsports will air August
12th at 10pm EST on SPEED Channel. Tanner Foust vs Paul Tracy in a
Gumpert Apollo and GT Malan! Set your DVRs and be sure to watch!"


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Aug  3 16:28:16 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 17:28:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Weight of SU H6 floats
Message-ID: <000001cb335b$2e4119d0$8ac34d70$@com>

Anyone happen to know what a good SU H6 float weighs, preferably in grams?
I'd like to check the floats I have to see which ones don't have any gas or
leaks.  The best way with my deficient hearing is to just weigh them.

 

Thanks,

Tim

1961 TR4 #317


From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  3 18:06:41 2010
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 00:06:41 +0000
Subject: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
Message-ID: <mailman.10.1638252555.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

Mike-

What fixes did you finally make to your float lids prior to the Seattle race and did they work?

I ended up buying some new float lids for MGB HS4s from Moss that orient the floats front to back and have the spring loaded needles. Drove the car around the neighborhood and it seemed to run fine, but haven't hit it hard into left handers, and won't be able to do until Topeka. 

If they do the trick, I will share the part numbers with those who are interested. 

Thx

Ty

------Original Message------
To: Tony Drews
To: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: Mike Mehl
To: Triumph Friends of
Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
Sent: Jun 23, 2010 6:53 PM

Hi Tony and Mike-

I have the same problem. Unfortunately, the current float bowl tops and 3 screw configuration doesn't give me this option.  All I can do is turn them 180 degrees. No space for fuel line if I place the pivot front or rear.   

Are there options or different tops for the bowls that can help solve this problem that folks are aware of?

Coming out of left handers right now floods badly and allows others to make some great passes!

Thx in advance for the help

Ty



------Original Message------
From: Tony Drews
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: Mike Mehl
To: Triumph Friends of
Subject: Re: [Fot] HS6 carb hesitation TR4
Sent: Jun 21, 2010 12:18 AM

Mike, the tops of the float bowls need to be oriented so that the 
pivot for the float is at the front or the rear, not to either side.

- Tony Drews

At 11:34 PM 6/19/2010, Mike Mehl wrote:
>I finally have my head issues sorted out and ready to run in Seattle July 4
>weekend.  The car seems to hesitate when I turn the car a sharp left.  Any
>thoughts would be great.
>
>Mike
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From klynch_6 at msn.com  Tue Aug  3 18:48:48 2010
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 18:48:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] 1971 GT6 ser. # question
Message-ID: <SNT123-DS1265013C275FCAE0FC88E9B7AF0@phx.gbl>

Group:   per friend's request...


Kev,
could you post this to  FOT board please. I'm trying to find out if there is
any kind of record as to the number of GT6's (71 specifically) that left the
factory with an overdrive transmission and were they so noted in their serial
number (is the "O" at end after the "L" designate "Overdrive")

thanks
Bill


From mlcooknj at msn.com  Tue Aug  3 18:55:13 2010
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 20:55:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 1971 GT6 ser. # question
In-Reply-To: <SNT123-DS1265013C275FCAE0FC88E9B7AF0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT123-DS1265013C275FCAE0FC88E9B7AF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY147-w230849B5334106EB8AB699C8AF0@phx.gbl>

As far as I know, the final "O" always stood for Overdrive.

Mike Cook

> From: klynch_6 at msn.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 18:48:48 -0600
> Subject: [Fot] 1971 GT6 ser. # question
>
> Group: per friend's request...
>
>
> Kev,
> could you post this to FOT board please. I'm trying to find out if there is
> any kind of record as to the number of GT6's (71 specifically) that left
the
> factory with an overdrive transmission and were they so noted in their
serial
> number (is the "O" at end after the "L" designate "Overdrive")
>
> thanks
> Bill
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From markvaden at gmail.com  Tue Aug  3 23:44:15 2010
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 22:44:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Dashboard design (jch: now tach location)
References: <AANLkTimVU_JiafAzy7LyJcHh19wkssPpankBxRt0Q2vq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ADC0DCC3-444E-40F7-928C-FAF7083B2363@gmail.com>

I am re forwarding this since it seems it was not sent due to size. Sorry if
this was sent twice.
>

> I thought I would chime in since I have been working on this for a few
years. A friend and I decided to write an application that would combine video
and data for analysis a few years back. We programmed it ourselves on nights
and weekends. When we were nearing completion we approached ChaseCam about a
partnership, and they were open to it, and so the product is now ChaseCam
DashWare. I only mention the way we started because it explains one of the
core features of the product - the ability to work with any camera and any
data logger. Since we did not know when we were developing the software, how
things would turn out, we made DashWare work with as wide a range as products
as possible.
>
> DashWare can combine video and data with almost any logger and almost any
camera. With the cameras by ChaseCam the data and video is auto synchronized,
otherwise the video is manually synchronized using the software. We are in the
process of making a new website for DashWare, and we are going to drastically
reduce the price, so if anyone is interested in purchasing DashWare send me an
email. We are also going to implement a FOT price break, so again if anyone is
interested send me an email.
>
> Over the last few years of working on this, I have used 1/2 dozen or so
different loggers - so I have some feedback. I will try and keep it unbiased.
>
> I think for analysis the most important things are rpm and speed. Than after
that accelerometers are nice, and then the individual sensors like throttle
and brake. I think you get the best value by having other data to compare to.
So if a lot of people have one logger that you run with you might consider
getting the same logger, so you can compare your data vs theirs. Or
alternatively you can use DashWare to compare data from almost any logger.
>
> ChaseCam Data Module
> Pros:
> Auto syncs video with data
> Supports gps/rpm + one additional sensor.
> Has an optional OBD2 hookup
> Software (DashWare) is very easy to use.
> Camera automatically starts and stops recording
> Compact size
> Easy to hook up
> Build custom gauges (overlays that look like TR4 etc)
> Cons:
> Only works with ChaseCam cameras
> No Dash(Display)
> Can only set start finish in software
> TraqMate
> Pros:
> Supports gps/rpm
> Easy to use
> Cons:
> Only supports camcorders (which do not work well for recording racing
video)
> Must remove the dash from the car to plug it into usb port (kind of a pain
unscrewing it all)
> Does not seem as rugged as some other loggers
>
> RLC/ChaseCam Chase Commander:
> Pros:
> Very nice Dash
> easy to setup
> Depending on model expandable
> Supports gps/accelerometers/rpm
> Cons:
> Software is easy to use but too limited
>
> Racepak G2X:
> Pros:
> GPS/accelerometers/rpm
> Nice hardware - 5hz gps, very rugged
> Very expandable with large list of add on sensors
> Cons:
> Software is horrible. Even once you figure out how to use it, requires two
many steps before you see your data.
> Motec:
> The best system - can monitor anything.
> The software is complex, but phenomenal. Most pro teams use Motec.
> Cons:
> $$$$$ - it's really expensive
>
> If anyone has some questions about loggers - feel free to ping me.
>
> -Mark


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Aug  4 01:22:22 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:22:22 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Dashboard design (jch: now tach location)
In-Reply-To: <ADC0DCC3-444E-40F7-928C-FAF7083B2363@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimVU_JiafAzy7LyJcHh19wkssPpankBxRt0Q2vq@mail.gmail.com>
	<ADC0DCC3-444E-40F7-928C-FAF7083B2363@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000f01cb33a5$c93a6960$5baf3c20$@com>

Thank you Mark for this very useful information.
Does your software support the DL1 Logger and Video4 system?

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Mark Vaden
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. August 2010 07:44
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Fwd: Dashboard design (jch: now tach location)

I am re forwarding this since it seems it was not sent due to size. Sorry if
this was sent twice.
>

> I thought I would chime in since I have been working on this for a few
years. A friend and I decided to write an application that would combine
video
and data for analysis a few years back. We programmed it ourselves on nights
and weekends. When we were nearing completion we approached ChaseCam about a
partnership, and they were open to it, and so the product is now ChaseCam
DashWare. I only mention the way we started because it explains one of the
core features of the product - the ability to work with any camera and any
data logger. Since we did not know when we were developing the software, how
things would turn out, we made DashWare work with as wide a range as
products
as possible.
>
> DashWare can combine video and data with almost any logger and almost any
camera. With the cameras by ChaseCam the data and video is auto
synchronized,
otherwise the video is manually synchronized using the software. We are in
the
process of making a new website for DashWare, and we are going to
drastically
reduce the price, so if anyone is interested in purchasing DashWare send me
an
email. We are also going to implement a FOT price break, so again if anyone
is
interested send me an email.
>
> Over the last few years of working on this, I have used 1/2 dozen or so
different loggers - so I have some feedback. I will try and keep it
unbiased.
>
> I think for analysis the most important things are rpm and speed. Than
after
that accelerometers are nice, and then the individual sensors like throttle
and brake. I think you get the best value by having other data to compare
to.
So if a lot of people have one logger that you run with you might consider
getting the same logger, so you can compare your data vs theirs. Or
alternatively you can use DashWare to compare data from almost any logger.
>
> ChaseCam Data Module
> Pros:
> Auto syncs video with data
> Supports gps/rpm + one additional sensor.
> Has an optional OBD2 hookup
> Software (DashWare) is very easy to use.
> Camera automatically starts and stops recording
> Compact size
> Easy to hook up
> Build custom gauges (overlays that look like TR4 etc)
> Cons:
> Only works with ChaseCam cameras
> No Dash(Display)
> Can only set start finish in software
> TraqMate
> Pros:
> Supports gps/rpm
> Easy to use
> Cons:
> Only supports camcorders (which do not work well for recording racing
video)
> Must remove the dash from the car to plug it into usb port (kind of a pain
unscrewing it all)
> Does not seem as rugged as some other loggers
>
> RLC/ChaseCam Chase Commander:
> Pros:
> Very nice Dash
> easy to setup
> Depending on model expandable
> Supports gps/accelerometers/rpm
> Cons:
> Software is easy to use but too limited
>
> Racepak G2X:
> Pros:
> GPS/accelerometers/rpm
> Nice hardware - 5hz gps, very rugged
> Very expandable with large list of add on sensors
> Cons:
> Software is horrible. Even once you figure out how to use it, requires two
many steps before you see your data.
> Motec:
> The best system - can monitor anything.
> The software is complex, but phenomenal. Most pro teams use Motec.
> Cons:
> $$$$$ - it's really expensive
>
> If anyone has some questions about loggers - feel free to ping me.
>
> -Mark
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Wed Aug  4 04:40:39 2010
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 03:40:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] 1971 GT6 ser. # question
In-Reply-To: <SNT123-DS1265013C275FCAE0FC88E9B7AF0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT123-DS1265013C275FCAE0FC88E9B7AF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <149532.30506.qm@web80807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

As someone else wrote, the O suffix always meant overdrive. However,
the
factory didn't always get it right. My 1973 Spitfire has and always
has had
OD, but the serial number doesn't reflect that.
________________________________
From: KEVIN LYNCH <klynch_6 at msn.com>
To: FOT
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, August 3, 2010 8:48:48 PM
Subject: [Fot] 1971
GT6 ser. # question

Group:  per friend's request...


Kev,
could you post
this to  FOT board please. I'm trying to find out if there is
any kind of
record as to the number of GT6's (71 specifically) that left the
factory with
an overdrive transmission and were they so noted in their serial
number (is
the "O" at end after the "L" designate "Overdrive")

thanks
Bill
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Aug  4 09:49:02 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:49:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Liner height question
Message-ID: <678938078.679759.1280936942383.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

FoT

I picked up my block last night and set about fitting my new liners. I
generally

measure the liner height at six points. 1 , 3, 5, 7, 9 & 11 o'clock.

I use the 12 and 6 position to cinch the liner to the block with aluminum bar

that bridges from stud to stud. I use a spacer that makes contact with the
liners

at 12 & 6.B 

On # 3 liner I am getting a tight .003 on one side of the block and .005 on
the other.

I'm shooting for .003 - .004 since I'm using the shim steel gasket. I tried
loosening

the liner and re-seat it and it still reads the same after I snug it down
again.

Tonight I will try to move liners around and see if I get better results

but I was wondering if ;

A.B B B B B Is aB snug .003 fit enough projection?

B.B B B  IsB a difference of .002 from side to side too much?



Still trying to make Topeka & thanks for any input,

Jim G


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Wed Aug  4 10:45:41 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:45:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <006001cb322c$a78210e0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<006001cb322c$a78210e0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <33D176FC-E819-439B-AF5C-581DC0569DA4@comcast.net>

I'm also trying to improve my car's handling.  As a GT6 driver,  
there's less of a "database" of drivers out there than with the TR4,  
so I'm wading through Fred Puhn's How to Make Your Car Handle.   
Readily available used on Amazon, and it may be helpful in  
understanding the dynamics of what you are experiencing, as you start  
trying new parts.

I'm finding it a good read, and perhaps I will have less "error"  
associated with the "trial" as I work on car balance.


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Aug  4 11:23:48 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 19:23:48 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <33D176FC-E819-439B-AF5C-581DC0569DA4@comcast.net>
References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<006001cb322c$a78210e0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<33D176FC-E819-439B-AF5C-581DC0569DA4@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000601cb33f9$cf77f690$6e67e3b0$@com>

This year I also had a look into a German suspension books....one for race
car suspension and one for engineering of suspension.
>From this I started to work a lot more with the suspension to fit the car to
the track and found lots of seconds on the track.
At Zandvoort I had a gain of 2 seconds
At Assen 5 seconds
And the Nordschleife 20 seconds
(not all by suspension the new cam did also help)

So there is much gain to find at our cars.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Scott Janzen
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. August 2010 18:46
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering

I'm also trying to improve my car's handling.  As a GT6 driver,
there's less of a "database" of drivers out there than with the TR4,
so I'm wading through Fred Puhn's How to Make Your Car Handle.
Readily available used on Amazon, and it may be helpful in
understanding the dynamics of what you are experiencing, as you start
trying new parts.

I'm finding it a good read, and perhaps I will have less "error"
associated with the "trial" as I work on car balance.
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Wed Aug  4 11:41:19 2010
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:41:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <33D176FC-E819-439B-AF5C-581DC0569DA4@comcast.net>
References: <722177.61076.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>,
	<006001cb322c$a78210e0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>,
	<33D176FC-E819-439B-AF5C-581DC0569DA4@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <SNT141-w44C21C7DE83091CA5E410BB2AF0@phx.gbl>

Having read Fred's book and a whole bunch of others......the best IMHO is the
Mark Donohue Unfair advantage. The Basis of which is to work out what you
"think" you need and test test test after testing on a skid pad.
I've been lucky enough to build a lot of vintage race cars and the basics
never change. Tires ! Shocks ! Because the car has been lowered, do the shocks
bottom out (that's a big one for Porsche 356's), Is suspension binding and
have enough travel ?
I've got a Ferrari (250GT SWB Fantuzzi ) that I put a rear bar on then
removed, springs rates etc etc. nothing made a difference to the feel of the
car or lap times.
Why ? because the Chassis flex's so bad. Again. Back to basics.

Hope this snippet of info helpful to someone :)

Tony

> From: s.janzen at comcast.net
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:45:41 -0400
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering
>
> I'm also trying to improve my car's handling. As a GT6 driver,
> there's less of a "database" of drivers out there than with the TR4,
> so I'm wading through Fred Puhn's How to Make Your Car Handle.
> Readily available used on Amazon, and it may be helpful in
> understanding the dynamics of what you are experiencing, as you start
> trying new parts.
>
> I'm finding it a good read, and perhaps I will have less "error"
> associated with the "trial" as I work on car balance.
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Aug  4 12:29:11 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:29:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Liner height question
In-Reply-To: <678938078.679759.1280936942383.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <678938078.679759.1280936942383.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087B935CDC@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

In your situation I would put the head on less the gasket, tighten to 50 lbs
and recheck. You may get better measurement results than you think. I have a
torque plate for that purpose. Actually I have two but that's another story.

IMHO, .002 side to side is an issue. I've seen stock compression engines have
a head gasket failure with this difference, but at the same time it was
possibly a quality of work issue.

Some people get the deck surfaced not realizing that that deck surface needs
to be indexed off the liner ledge, not the oil pan surface, resulting in
slightly slanted decks. Thus you cannot fix this problem with the liners. If
you cannot do it any other way use a stock head gasket and be extra careful
with the torquing and you will probably get through it.


Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson




-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:49 AM
To: fot
Subject: [Fot] Liner height question

FoT

I picked up my block last night and set about fitting my new liners. I
generally


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Aug  4 19:53:01 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 19:53:01 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Well, shucks
Message-ID: <4C5A197D.2080202@bradakis.com>

Nice.  Come home from work and no network.  Looks like Team.Net went
off the air a little after noon Utah time, I think I have it back and 
running.

mjb.


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Aug  4 15:26:41 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:26:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Liner height question
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087B935CDC@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
References: <678938078.679759.1280936942383.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087B935CDC@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <0ff301cb341b$bb5bd470$32137d50$@rr.com>

> If
> you cannot do it any other way use a stock head gasket and be extra
> careful
> with the torquing and you will probably get through it.

FWIW, I have had good luck sealing .003" from side to side, by using a stock
head gasket and the addition of a copper O-ring around each cylinder.  20
AWG "half hard" bare copper wire, laid into the slight groove next to the
stock fire ring, and tacked in place with electronic solder.
http://tinyurl.com/2f6lvq5

Before trying that, I just could not keep a head gasket sealed for any
length of time.  This is on the street (but I do drive my cars hard on
occasion).

And I'm beginning to think this was a fairly common problem from the
factory, since I've now found two TR3 blocks in a row that appear unmolested
and yet are not machined properly.

-- Randall 


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Wed Aug  4 20:21:41 2010
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:21:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Empty trailer ohio
Message-ID: <BAY123-W299EC148AEBA382E019287BA900@phx.gbl>

There is a chance I will have an empty open car trailer going to / from the
Oxford Ohio area to the Cleveland Ohio area mid September.  If you need  a
vehicle transported in that general area contact me off list.

Marty


From deweerdm at rogers.com  Wed Aug  4 20:24:55 2010
From: deweerdm at rogers.com (MIKE DEWEERD)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 19:24:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
Message-ID: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hello List
Thank you for ALL the advice so far.  This is where I'm at.
 
I've
  -installed new front competetion springs and GAZ shocks (adjustable) from
TSI
  -installed solid rear spring bushings (poly)
  -set tire pressures at 23 cold 26 hot  This is where I ran last 3 races
seemed good
  -car will be in frame shop early next week to check frame
square/straightness etc.
  -car will get 4 wheel alignment and 1.75 neg if possible with me in
car.(early tr4)
  -rear springs were found to be of different arch so re-arched them
  - front swaybar 3/4 dia (unknown origon) set to zero
  - corner weights wil be measured with driver.
 
That's it for now, it's a lot of changes at once so I'll never know which one
did the most but this will be my base line to go forward on.
A brake Bias and new dual master cylinders this winter perhaps a LSD diff
(budget pending)
 
It's sometimes a real pain not knowing what previous owners have done or tried
to do to the car in years gone by, I urge all racers to document all changes
and improvements to thier cars for future buyer/owners .....and just so that
you remember too.
 
Cheers
Mike Deweerd TR4 #77
 
 
 
 


From deweerdm at rogers.com  Wed Aug  4 20:34:04 2010
From: deweerdm at rogers.com (MIKE DEWEERD)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 19:34:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] HEADER for a TR4
Message-ID: <6438.33057.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

And just when you think you're getting ahead, ,,,,
 
I was putting in the new springs and noticed the header wrap was hanging loose
so I cut it off, an hour or so later when I was finishing up the shocks I
noticed a crack in the header (where I cut the wrap off earlier) so I pulled
the header off unwrapped it completely and found most of the number 2 tube
missing along the bottom (rotted)
Ted (TSI) has found me one across the pond but it's a bit pricey, Stahl seems
to have a nice one but it's also a bit steep.  Anyone know of a header for
sale anywhere???
my muffler guy doesn't have a die with that tight a radius and even if he did
he'd end up making the whole thing over so he can weld it.
Thanks
Mike Deweerd
TR4 #77


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Aug  4 21:19:33 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 21:19:33 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>

As I relayed before Mike - RADIUS ARMS!

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Aug 4, 2010, at 8:24 PM, MIKE DEWEERD wrote:

> Hello List
> Thank you for ALL the advice so far.  This is where I'm at.
>
> I've
>   -installed new front competetion springs and GAZ shocks  
> (adjustable) from
> TSI
>   -installed solid rear spring bushings (poly)
>   -set tire pressures at 23 cold 26 hot  This is where I ran last 3  
> races
> seemed good
>   -car will be in frame shop early next week to check frame
> square/straightness etc.
>   -car will get 4 wheel alignment and 1.75 neg if possible with me in
> car.(early tr4)
>   -rear springs were found to be of different arch so re-arched them
>   - front swaybar 3/4 dia (unknown origon) set to zero
>   - corner weights wil be measured with driver.
>
> That's it for now, it's a lot of changes at once so I'll never know  
> which one
> did the most but this will be my base line to go forward on.
> A brake Bias and new dual master cylinders this winter perhaps a  
> LSD diff
> (budget pending)
>
> It's sometimes a real pain not knowing what previous owners have  
> done or tried
> to do to the car in years gone by, I urge all racers to document  
> all changes
> and improvements to thier cars for future buyer/owners .....and  
> just so that
> you remember too.
>
> Cheers
> Mike Deweerd TR4 #77
>
>
>
>
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>
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Aug  4 23:48:09 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 23:48:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] HEADER for a TR4
In-Reply-To: <6438.33057.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <6438.33057.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0C852135-B90E-4C24-9198-19D045019C93@comcast.net>

There is a stainless steel header for sale in Colorado.
As I recall it was 200 or 250. Look on Colorado craigslist

Jim g

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 4, 2010, at 8:34 PM, MIKE DEWEERD <deweerdm at rogers.com> wrote:

> And just when you think you're getting ahead, ,,,,
>
> I was putting in the new springs and noticed the header wrap was  
> hanging loose
> so I cut it off, an hour or so later when I was finishing up the  
> shocks I
> noticed a crack in the header (where I cut the wrap off earlier) so  
> I pulled
> the header off unwrapped it completely and found most of the number  
> 2 tube
> missing along the bottom (rotted)
> Ted (TSI) has found me one across the pond but it's a bit pricey,  
> Stahl seems
> to have a nice one but it's also a bit steep.  Anyone know of a  
> header for
> sale anywhere???
> my muffler guy doesn't have a die with that tight a radius and even  
> if he did
> he'd end up making the whole thing over so he can weld it.
> Thanks
> Mike Deweerd
> TR4 #77
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Aug  4 23:55:56 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 23:55:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6A44D6E5-08B4-41BF-B410-47031DF4ECA0@earthlink.net>

Pardon me... Radius arms, radius bars, torque bars, torque rods,  
traction bars - whatever you want to call them.
 From Kas' '65 Competition Prep Manual -" The rear torque bars are an  
absolute MUST for a competition machine".

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM.
On Aug 4, 2010, at 9:19 PM, Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote:

> As I relayed before Mike - RADIUS ARMS!
>
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
> On Aug 4, 2010, at 8:24 PM, MIKE DEWEERD wrote:
>
>> Hello List
>> Thank you for ALL the advice so far.  This is where I'm at.
>>
>> I've
>>   -installed new front competetion springs and GAZ shocks  
>> (adjustable) from
>> TSI
>>   -installed solid rear spring bushings (poly)
>>   -set tire pressures at 23 cold 26 hot  This is where I ran last  
>> 3 races
>> seemed good
>>   -car will be in frame shop early next week to check frame
>> square/straightness etc.
>>   -car will get 4 wheel alignment and 1.75 neg if possible with me in
>> car.(early tr4)
>>   -rear springs were found to be of different arch so re-arched them
>>   - front swaybar 3/4 dia (unknown origon) set to zero
>>   - corner weights wil be measured with driver.
>>
>> That's it for now, it's a lot of changes at once so I'll never  
>> know which one
>> did the most but this will be my base line to go forward on.
>> A brake Bias and new dual master cylinders this winter perhaps a  
>> LSD diff
>> (budget pending)
>>
>> It's sometimes a real pain not knowing what previous owners have  
>> done or tried
>> to do to the car in years gone by, I urge all racers to document  
>> all changes
>> and improvements to thier cars for future buyer/owners .....and  
>> just so that
>> you remember too.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mike Deweerd TR4 #77
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
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>>
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Aug  5 08:08:57 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:08:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HEADER for a TR4
In-Reply-To: <6438.33057.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <6438.33057.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000b01cb34a7$c1ca1420$455e3c60$@com>

We purchased a header from Ted Schmacher (TS Imported Automotive) in
February or 2009 for $210.  Ted was able to have his supplier provide a 1/2
inch flange so that the header flange and intake manifold flange were the
same thickness such that the clamps would work properly.  I had to do a
little modifying with a die grinder and carbide bit to fit it up.  We're
very pleased with the header and would recommend it.

Tim Murphy
1961 TR4 #317

P.S. One advantage to essentially building the race car from scratch is
knowing exactly what was done to everything. I documented just about
everything we did, including making an electrical schematic of the wiring I
did, and have continued on the things we have done since finishing it.  I've
kept a "big book" of all of our documentation.  My memory is pretty good, it
just seems to be getting shorter:)

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MIKE DEWEERD
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 9:34 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] HEADER for a TR4

And just when you think you're getting ahead, ,,,,
 
I was putting in the new springs and noticed the header wrap was hanging
loose
so I cut it off, an hour or so later when I was finishing up the shocks I
noticed a crack in the header (where I cut the wrap off earlier) so I pulled
the header off unwrapped it completely and found most of the number 2 tube
missing along the bottom (rotted)
Ted (TSI) has found me one across the pond but it's a bit pricey, Stahl
seems
to have a nice one but it's also a bit steep.  Anyone know of a header for
sale anywhere???
my muffler guy doesn't have a die with that tight a radius and even if he
did
he'd end up making the whole thing over so he can weld it.
Thanks
Mike Deweerd
TR4 #77
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Aug  5 08:14:25 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:14:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>

FWIW  One thing that Uncle Jack told me about radius rods is that the pivot
points have to be such that the rods are parallel to the axle such that they
don't pull or push on the axle when it moves up and down.  Probably not as
easy as it sounds to achieve.  They were on our car when we got it and Jack
said he had tried them on his car and found they really didn't help that
much and were difficult to setup so he took them off.  We never put ours on
when we built the car.

Tim
1961 TR4 #317

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:20 PM
To: MIKE DEWEERD
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering

As I relayed before Mike - RADIUS ARMS!

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Aug 4, 2010, at 8:24 PM, MIKE DEWEERD wrote:

> Hello List
> Thank you for ALL the advice so far.  This is where I'm at.
>
> I've
>   -installed new front competetion springs and GAZ shocks  
> (adjustable) from
> TSI
>   -installed solid rear spring bushings (poly)
>   -set tire pressures at 23 cold 26 hot  This is where I ran last 3  
> races
> seemed good
>   -car will be in frame shop early next week to check frame
> square/straightness etc.
>   -car will get 4 wheel alignment and 1.75 neg if possible with me in
> car.(early tr4)
>   -rear springs were found to be of different arch so re-arched them
>   - front swaybar 3/4 dia (unknown origon) set to zero
>   - corner weights wil be measured with driver.
>
> That's it for now, it's a lot of changes at once so I'll never know  
> which one
> did the most but this will be my base line to go forward on.
> A brake Bias and new dual master cylinders this winter perhaps a  
> LSD diff
> (budget pending)
>
> It's sometimes a real pain not knowing what previous owners have  
> done or tried
> to do to the car in years gone by, I urge all racers to document  
> all changes
> and improvements to thier cars for future buyer/owners .....and  
> just so that
> you remember too.
>
> Cheers
> Mike Deweerd TR4 #77
>
>
>
>
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>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Aug  5 08:42:15 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 16:42:15 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
	<000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>
Message-ID: <002101cb34ac$6753b730$35fb2590$@com>

If the radius arm is something like a Panhard rod or a Watts link then it
seems that most of the European racers don't use them.

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Tim Murphy
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. August 2010 16:14
An: 'Greg "Lunker" Hilyer'; 'MIKE DEWEERD'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering

FWIW  One thing that Uncle Jack told me about radius rods is that the pivot
points have to be such that the rods are parallel to the axle such that they
don't pull or push on the axle when it moves up and down.  Probably not as
easy as it sounds to achieve.  They were on our car when we got it and Jack
said he had tried them on his car and found they really didn't help that
much and were difficult to setup so he took them off.  We never put ours on
when we built the car.

Tim
1961 TR4 #317

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:20 PM
To: MIKE DEWEERD
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering

As I relayed before Mike - RADIUS ARMS!

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Aug 4, 2010, at 8:24 PM, MIKE DEWEERD wrote:

> Hello List
> Thank you for ALL the advice so far.  This is where I'm at.
>
> I've
>   -installed new front competetion springs and GAZ shocks
> (adjustable) from
> TSI
>   -installed solid rear spring bushings (poly)
>   -set tire pressures at 23 cold 26 hot  This is where I ran last 3
> races
> seemed good
>   -car will be in frame shop early next week to check frame
> square/straightness etc.
>   -car will get 4 wheel alignment and 1.75 neg if possible with me in
> car.(early tr4)
>   -rear springs were found to be of different arch so re-arched them
>   - front swaybar 3/4 dia (unknown origon) set to zero
>   - corner weights wil be measured with driver.
>
> That's it for now, it's a lot of changes at once so I'll never know
> which one
> did the most but this will be my base line to go forward on.
> A brake Bias and new dual master cylinders this winter perhaps a
> LSD diff
> (budget pending)
>
> It's sometimes a real pain not knowing what previous owners have
> done or tried
> to do to the car in years gone by, I urge all racers to document
> all changes
> and improvements to thier cars for future buyer/owners .....and
> just so that
> you remember too.
>
> Cheers
> Mike Deweerd TR4 #77
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  5 08:58:34 2010
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (T Thompson)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 07:58:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] HEADER for a TR4
In-Reply-To: <6438.33057.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <6438.33057.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <564650.12326.qm@web65707.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

When I bought my TR4, it had the fiberglass header wrap on it.  A neighbor who
races RMVR saw it and said I should take it off. He races a 70 Cuda, and said
he 
had melted a set of expensive headers with the wrap.  I figured a Cuda
with over 
500 horses must generate a lot more heat than this little tractor
motor, so I 
continued on.

Late one afternoon, my son and I were working on
the car and he pointed me to a 
glowing red section above the collector.  It
actually looked like it could have 
melted any minute.  We removed the wrap
and the glow went away, and then as a 
surprise, the boys removed the header
and had it ceramic coated by a shop up 
near Denver as a Christmas present.  I
think it cost them about $150 bucks to 
get it done.  The old header looks
pretty good and it is coated inside and out.  
It really seems to keep
the keep the heat out of the engine compartment.

Anyway, food for thought for
those of you using the wrap.

Ty

'63 TR4 #413


 
________________________________
From: MIKE DEWEERD <deweerdm at rogers.com>
To:
fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, August 4, 2010 8:34:04 PM
Subject: [Fot] HEADER
for a TR4

And just when you think you're getting ahead, ,,,,

I was putting
in the new springs and noticed the header wrap was hanging loose
so I cut it
off, an hour or so later when I was finishing up the shocks I
noticed a crack
in the header (where I cut the wrap off earlier) so I pulled
the header off
unwrapped it completely and found most of the number 2 tube
missing along the
bottom (rotted)
Ted (TSI) has found me one across the pond but it's a bit
pricey, Stahl seems
to have a nice one but it's also a bit steep.  Anyone know
of a header for
sale anywhere???
my muffler guy doesn't have a die with that
tight a radius and even if he did
he'd end up making the whole thing over so
he can weld it.
Thanks
Mike Deweerd
TR4 #77
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From kaskas at cox.net  Thu Aug  5 09:24:28 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 8:24:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] HEADER for a TR4
In-Reply-To: <564650.12326.qm@web65707.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100805112428.YALPD.32464.imail@fed1rmwml29>

The problem with wrap on a header is that it traps the moisture and that rusts the material.  Stainless will work okay.
---- T Thompson <tylerpthompson at yahoo.com> wrote: 

=============
When I bought my TR4, it had the fiberglass header wrap on it.  A neighbor who
races RMVR saw it and said I should take it off. He races a 70 Cuda, and said
he 
had melted a set of expensive headers with the wrap.  I figured a Cuda
with over 
500 horses must generate a lot more heat than this little tractor
motor, so I 
continued on.

Late one afternoon, my son and I were working on
the car and he pointed me to a 
glowing red section above the collector.  It
actually looked like it could have 
melted any minute.  We removed the wrap
and the glow went away, and then as a 
surprise, the boys removed the header
and had it ceramic coated by a shop up 
near Denver as a Christmas present.  I
think it cost them about $150 bucks to 
get it done.  The old header looks
pretty good and it is coated inside and out.  
It really seems to keep
the keep the heat out of the engine compartment.

Anyway, food for thought for
those of you using the wrap.

Ty

'63 TR4 #413


 
________________________________
From: MIKE DEWEERD <deweerdm at rogers.com>
To:
fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, August 4, 2010 8:34:04 PM
Subject: [Fot] HEADER
for a TR4

And just when you think you're getting ahead, ,,,,

I was putting
in the new springs and noticed the header wrap was hanging loose
so I cut it
off, an hour or so later when I was finishing up the shocks I
noticed a crack
in the header (where I cut the wrap off earlier) so I pulled
the header off
unwrapped it completely and found most of the number 2 tube
missing along the
bottom (rotted)
Ted (TSI) has found me one across the pond but it's a bit
pricey, Stahl seems
to have a nice one but it's also a bit steep.  Anyone know
of a header for
sale anywhere???
my muffler guy doesn't have a die with that
tight a radius and even if he did
he'd end up making the whole thing over so
he can weld it.
Thanks
Mike Deweerd
TR4 #77
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From billb at bnj.com  Thu Aug  5 10:44:30 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:44:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <002101cb34ac$6753b730$35fb2590$@com>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
	<000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>
	<002101cb34ac$6753b730$35fb2590$@com>
Message-ID: <36BF4D5B-A69A-4CCC-A8B5-81E8CAE673C4@bnj.com>

No, radius rods keep the axle from shifting forward and back on the springs,
panhard bars prevent lateral movement. The purpose of radius rods and panhard
bars is to provide a stable platform to optimize the suspension and steering
from. By themselves they do very little for handling with a car as far from
good racing suspension design as a TR3/4. But if you get everything else right
they become critical. When the radius rods on Peyote break or get otherwise
disconnected the car handles like crap.

There is no recipe for suspension that will make a TR handle as there is for
modern cars which generally don't have fundamental design flaws. The cheapest
econobox has a rigid platform, no bump steer, camber and camber gain that is
optimized for the recommended tires, no spring tramping, and a precisely
designed amount of understeer to keep Mom out of trouble. If you want to race
one of those cars you buy the parts package that EVERYONE knows works, install
it properly, bolt in a roll cage and you're set to spend some real money
moving from the back to the front. But your car will handle as well as it can
for the given platform.

Our cars are not so simple and the recipe and results depends on the chef. The
way these conversations progress, talking about individual elements instead of
a package, is a clear indication that it's art rather than engineering. If you
wanted to take a more engineering approach you'd get the platform stable
first, then apply core engineering principles to make the car steer and handle
at high speed. The art approach works just fine, but focusing on blueberries
doesn't yield a fine pie.

On Aug 5, 2010, at 7:42 AM, MadMarx wrote:

> If the radius arm is something like a Panhard rod or a Watts link then it
> seems that most of the European racers don't use them.
>
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Tim Murphy
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. August 2010 16:14
> An: 'Greg "Lunker" Hilyer'; 'MIKE DEWEERD'
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering
>
> FWIW  One thing that Uncle Jack told me about radius rods is that the pivot
> points have to be such that the rods are parallel to the axle such that
they
> don't pull or push on the axle when it moves up and down.  Probably not as
> easy as it sounds to achieve.  They were on our car when we got it and Jack
> said he had tried them on his car and found they really didn't help that
> much and were difficult to setup so he took them off.  We never put ours on
> when we built the car.
>
> Tim


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Thu Aug  5 10:58:02 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:58:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Header Wrap
Message-ID: <477E083A-F8E3-4A08-AB0D-51A8B09EDCC6@earthlink.net>

Here's an interesting FAQ from Stahl Headers about header wrap.

http://www.stahlheaders.com/faq.htm#wrap

~Steve


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Thu Aug  5 12:18:01 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 13:18:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087B936A3F@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Does anyone have any experience with the cometic head gaskets being sold on
Ebay?

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141 Office
512-657-8526 Cell

Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Aug  5 14:58:26 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 22:58:26 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <36BF4D5B-A69A-4CCC-A8B5-81E8CAE673C4@bnj.com>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
	<000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>
	<002101cb34ac$6753b730$35fb2590$@com>
	<36BF4D5B-A69A-4CCC-A8B5-81E8CAE673C4@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <000f01cb34e0$f49f4b70$dddde250$@com>

I really have fear to rise the cornering speed more.
With the new datalogger tool I found out that the normal cornering forces
are up to 1.5G and in excess 1.9G.
The 5 degree camber is responsible for that (and give the car a dirty look
like a showboat).
But at the moment I'm really happy with my setup and how sensible the car
react on changes to the setup like stiffening the swaybars or soften them.
Tire pressure.
The most gain brought to remove all rubber out of the front suspension and
replaced it all with Deldrin bushings.

As you can see even on a bumpy track like the Nordschleife I have not much
to do at the steering (maybe I'm going too slow?)

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. August 2010 18:45
An: MadMarx
Cc: 'Tim Murphy'; 'Greg "Lunker" Hilyer'; 'MIKE DEWEERD'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering

No, radius rods keep the axle from shifting forward and back on the springs,
panhard bars prevent lateral movement. The purpose of radius rods and
panhard bars is to provide a stable platform to optimize the suspension and
steering from. By themselves they do very little for handling with a car as
far from good racing suspension design as a TR3/4. But if you get everything
else right they become critical. When the radius rods on Peyote break or get
otherwise disconnected the car handles like crap.

There is no recipe for suspension that will make a TR handle as there is for
modern cars which generally don't have fundamental design flaws. The
cheapest econobox has a rigid platform, no bump steer, camber and camber
gain that is optimized for the recommended tires, no spring tramping, and a
precisely designed amount of understeer to keep Mom out of trouble. If you
want to race one of those cars you buy the parts package that EVERYONE knows
works, install it properly, bolt in a roll cage and you're set to spend some
real money moving from the back to the front. But your car will handle as
well as it can for the given platform.

Our cars are not so simple and the recipe and results depends on the chef.
The way these conversations progress, talking about individual elements
instead of a package, is a clear indication that it's art rather than
engineering. If you wanted to take a more engineering approach you'd get the
platform stable first, then apply core engineering principles to make the
car steer and handle at high speed. The art approach works just fine, but
focusing on blueberries doesn't yield a fine pie.

On Aug 5, 2010, at 7:42 AM, MadMarx wrote:

> If the radius arm is something like a Panhard rod or a Watts link then it
> seems that most of the European racers don't use them.
>
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Tim Murphy
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. August 2010 16:14
> An: 'Greg "Lunker" Hilyer'; 'MIKE DEWEERD'
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering
>
> FWIW  One thing that Uncle Jack told me about radius rods is that the
pivot
> points have to be such that the rods are parallel to the axle such that
they
> don't pull or push on the axle when it moves up and down.  Probably not as
> easy as it sounds to achieve.  They were on our car when we got it and
Jack
> said he had tried them on his car and found they really didn't help that
> much and were difficult to setup so he took them off.  We never put ours
on
> when we built the car.
>
> Tim


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Thu Aug  5 15:53:08 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 17:53:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087B936A3F@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
References: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087B936A3F@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <4C5B32C4.4060509@blacksburg.net>

On 8/5/2010 2:18 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience with the cometic head gaskets being sold on
> Ebay?
>
>    
Bob, I didn't see any Cometic gaskets for TRs on ebay, but that said, 
I've had excellent results with their 89mm gaskets for my TR4.

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Aug  5 17:15:00 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 16:15:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <4C5B32C4.4060509@blacksburg.net>
References: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087B936A3F@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
	<4C5B32C4.4060509@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <007801cb34f4$079d6050$16d820f0$@rr.com>

Here's one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=270608409712

But the price is basically the same as Summit, et al, and the photo is
clearly of some other gasket.  Might save a few bucks on shipping, IF he
sends the right gasket instead of the one in the photo.

-- Randall 


From cartravel at pobox.com  Thu Aug  5 17:28:17 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 18:28:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
	<000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>
Message-ID: <4C5B4911.9020400@pobox.com>

When I got my TR3 it handled like crap.  I didn't know if the problem 
was my lack of talent or the car's suspension.  I knew next to nothing 
about suspension, so I read through all the FoT archives.  I also found 
the Puhn book to be very helpful.  I also played with a suspension 
analysis program.

Many with a TR3 or TR4 with solid axle have found they like an almost 
stock rear and very stiff front, such as:
1. stiff front springs, many use 450 lb/in MGBGT springs
2. 1 inch anti-sway bar in front
3. 2 1/2 degrees negative camber seems to be about right for Hoosier 
Speedster, 1 1/2 degree for Vintage TD.  This can be achieved by 
shortening the up A arms.
4. toe in should be 0 to 1/16 inch
5. eliminate bumpsteer by raising or lowering the steering rack (TR4) or 
by heating and bending the steering levers (TR3)
6. lower the front by shortening the donuts or by using shorter springs
7. lower the rear by dearching the rear springs or by using lowering blocks.
8. the rear should be basically stock, but the BFE rear spring locator 
kit may help
9. hard bushings are also a good idea.
This should give a pretty good starting point.  You can tweak from 
there.  I followed this recipe and it completely transformed the car.  I 
never did get to the tweaking phase.

You can find a lot of discussions of suspension in the archives.  I 
especially like the discussion where Jack Drews said they had all this 
neat "stuff" on their suspension and with each piece they took off, 
their laps times got faster.

Larry Young


From mdporter at dfn.com  Thu Aug  5 17:47:04 2010
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 17:47:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <002101cb34ac$6753b730$35fb2590$@com>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
	<000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>
	<002101cb34ac$6753b730$35fb2590$@com>
Message-ID: <4C5B4D78.5020701@dfn.com>

MadMarx wrote:
> If the radius arm is something like a Panhard rod or a Watts link then it
> seems that most of the European racers don't use them.
>
>   
Probably some confusion with terminology has been introduced.  Ladder 
bars are typically used with leaf spring live axles in order to prevent 
rotation of the axle housing and spring wrap-up under power.  Lateral 
radius rods (or Panhard rod) or a Watts link are used to maintain 
lateral axle location of live axles sprung with coil springs, and should 
be unnecessary with properly installed leaf springs.   In theory, 
longitudinal radius rods (as with a 3- or 4-bar arrangement) can be used 
with either leaf or coil springs to prevent rotation of the axle housing 
under power and braking.


FWIW.  That's the way I've always understood the functions of those items.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Aug  5 18:00:07 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 20:00:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering now....... Rear Shackle Kit available
In-Reply-To: <4C5B4911.9020400@pobox.com>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com><72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net><000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>
	<4C5B4911.9020400@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <8CD031176DDEFD6-4E04-66AF@Webmail-d109.sysops.aol.com>

Larry,

This summary is familiar territory to me.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---

I just made up another 10 kits of the the rear shackle hard bushings with
Delrin side washers, if anyone is interested.

They make sense, work well, easy to install, and are seen in one of Kas'
books.

Sold by Moss and TRF, too,

Special pricing to FOT, of course.

Joe A






-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
To: 'MIKE DEWEERD' <deweerdm at rogers.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Aug 5, 2010 6:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Hard cornering


When I got my TR3 it handled like crap. I didn't know if the problem was my
lack of talent or the car's suspension. I knew next to nothing about
suspension, so I read through all the FoT archives. I also found the Puhn book
to be very helpful. I also played with a suspension analysis program.

Many with a TR3 or TR4 with solid axle have found they like an almost stock
rear and very stiff front, such as:
1. stiff front springs, many use 450 lb/in MGBGT springs
2. 1 inch anti-sway bar in front
3. 2 1/2 degrees negative camber seems to be about right for Hoosier
Speedster, 1 1/2 degree for Vintage TD. This can be achieved by shortening the
up A arms.
4. toe in should be 0 to 1/16 inch
5. eliminate bumpsteer by raising or lowering the steering rack (TR4) or by
heating and bending the steering levers (TR3)
6. lower the front by shortening the donuts or by using shorter springs
7. lower the rear by dearching the rear springs or by using lowering blocks.
8. the rear should be basically stock, but the BFE rear spring locator kit may
help
9. hard bushings are also a good idea.
This should give a pretty good starting point. You can tweak from there. I
followed this recipe and it completely transformed the car. I never did get to
the tweaking phase.

You can find a lot of discussions of suspension in the archives. I especially
like the discussion where Jack Drews said they had all this neat "stuff" on
their suspension and with each piece they took off, their laps times got
faster.

Larry Young
_______________________________________________
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Aug  5 18:09:27 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 20:09:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6   RACERS/DRIVERS  only.....  delete otherwise.
Message-ID: <8CD0312C4F4624E-4E04-67E6@Webmail-d109.sysops.aol.com>

FOT,

My son sent an order through for 25 GT6 rear plates instead of for the TR6.

I'd like to reduce the inventory on these. I really hadnt planned to run
anymore as they are slow moving.

Killer price on the first five to get shed of a few.

Thanks,

Joe


From jaboruch at netzero.com  Thu Aug  5 19:21:02 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 01:21:02 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Header Wrap
Message-ID: <20100805.212102.358.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com>

When I first started racing my TR3, I put header wrap on the old headers and
after a few races the headers fell apart.  Bought stainless headers from BFE
and had them coated by Airborne coatings.  That was over 10 years ago.
Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Header Wrap
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:58:02 -0700

Here's an interesting FAQ from Stahl Headers about header wrap.

http://www.stahlheaders.com/faq.htm#wrap

~Steve
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Thu Aug  5 19:43:20 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 21:43:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering now....... Rear Shackle Kit available
In-Reply-To: <8CD031176DDEFD6-4E04-66AF@Webmail-d109.sysops.aol.com>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com><72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net><000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>
	<4C5B4911.9020400@pobox.com>
	<8CD031176DDEFD6-4E04-66AF@Webmail-d109.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C5B68B8.10605@blacksburg.net>

On 8/5/2010 8:00 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> Larry,
>
> This summary is familiar territory to me.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
>
> I just made up another 10 kits of the the rear shackle hard bushings with
> Delrin side washers, if anyone is interested.
>
> They make sense, work well, easy to install, and are seen in one of Kas'
> books.
>
> Sold by Moss and TRF, too,
>
> Special pricing to FOT, of course.
>
> Joe A
>
>    
I can attest that Joe's kit transformed how my TR4 handles.

jim

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From jaboruch at netzero.com  Thu Aug  5 19:47:31 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 01:47:31 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
Message-ID: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>

I was not aware that Cometic had one for the TR4, this is great news!  Their
web site only shows it as 88mm.  Anyone know if this has the relief to match
grinding the top of the cylinder liner for intake valve flow?   Joe(B)

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To: "Kramer, Robert" <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>
Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 17:53:08 -0400

On 8/5/2010 2:18 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience with the cometic head gaskets being sold on
> Ebay?
>
>
Bob, I didn't see any Cometic gaskets for TRs on ebay, but that said,
I've had excellent results with their 89mm gaskets for my TR4.

jim

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From kaskas at cox.net  Thu Aug  5 21:31:39 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 20:31:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <4C5B4D78.5020701@dfn.com>
Message-ID: <20100805233139.FVTTE.327735.imail@fed1rmwml31>

The traction bars were great for standing starts but not of much help in normal racing in these more modern flying start races.
---- Michael Porter <mdporter at dfn.com> wrote: 

=============
MadMarx wrote:
> If the radius arm is something like a Panhard rod or a Watts link then it
> seems that most of the European racers don't use them.
>
>   
Probably some confusion with terminology has been introduced.  Ladder 
bars are typically used with leaf spring live axles in order to prevent 
rotation of the axle housing and spring wrap-up under power.  Lateral 
radius rods (or Panhard rod) or a Watts link are used to maintain 
lateral axle location of live axles sprung with coil springs, and should 
be unnecessary with properly installed leaf springs.   In theory, 
longitudinal radius rods (as with a 3- or 4-bar arrangement) can be used 
with either leaf or coil springs to prevent rotation of the axle housing 
under power and braking.


FWIW.  That's the way I've always understood the functions of those items.


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From billb at bnj.com  Thu Aug  5 23:20:22 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 22:20:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Hard cornering
In-Reply-To: <4C5B4D78.5020701@dfn.com>
References: <322640.62988.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<72851A25-97F3-4220-80BF-4B94CC7411AC@earthlink.net>
	<000c01cb34a8$834a5d30$89df1790$@com>
	<002101cb34ac$6753b730$35fb2590$@com> <4C5B4D78.5020701@dfn.com>
Message-ID: <3EB533C9-06A5-4FE4-8AC2-84FCFAF62F57@bnj.com>

yup.
On Aug 5, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Michael Porter wrote:

> MadMarx wrote:
>> If the radius arm is something like a Panhard rod or a Watts link then it
>> seems that most of the European racers don't use them.
>>
>>
> Probably some confusion with terminology has been introduced.  Ladder bars
are typically used with leaf spring live axles in order to prevent rotation of
the axle housing and spring wrap-up under power.  Lateral radius rods (or
Panhard rod) or a Watts link are used to maintain lateral axle location of
live axles sprung with coil springs, and should be unnecessary with properly
installed leaf springs.   In theory, longitudinal radius rods (as with a 3- or
4-bar arrangement) can be used with either leaf or coil springs to prevent
rotation of the axle housing under power and braking.
>
>
> FWIW.  That's the way I've always understood the functions of those items.
>
>
> Cheers.
>
> --
>
>
> Michael Porter
> Roswell, NM
>
>
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Fri Aug  6 05:34:23 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 07:34:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>

On 8/5/2010 9:47 PM, Joe Boruch wrote:
> I was not aware that Cometic had one for the TR4, this is great news!  Their web site only shows it as 88mm.  Anyone know if this has the relief to match grinding the top of the cylinder liner for intake valve flow?   Joe(B)
>    
They'll make a gasket for whatever bore you request.  I have 89mm 
sleeves, so they made an 89mm gasket, same price as a stock gasket, 
IIRC.  The gasket does not have the relief tho.

jim

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99% finished, 90% to go


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Aug  6 06:00:47 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 14:00:47 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
	<4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>

What material is the gasket made from?

Chris

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Gesendet: Freitag, 6. August 2010 13:34
An: Joe Boruch
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket

On 8/5/2010 9:47 PM, Joe Boruch wrote:
> I was not aware that Cometic had one for the TR4, this is great news!
Their web site only shows it as 88mm.  Anyone know if this has the relief to
match grinding the top of the cylinder liner for intake valve flow?   Joe(B)
>
They'll make a gasket for whatever bore you request.  I have 89mm
sleeves, so they made an 89mm gasket, same price as a stock gasket,
IIRC.  The gasket does not have the relief tho.

jim

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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Fri Aug  6 10:10:21 2010
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 16:10:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>
Message-ID: <1399800774.966725.1281111021623.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Chris: 


Here's their website: 


http://www.cometic.com/default.aspx 


Gary 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
To: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.com> 
Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
Sent: Friday, August 6, 2010 5:00:47 AM 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket 

What material is the gasket made from? 

Chris 

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- 
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im 
Auftrag von J.C. Hassall 
Gesendet: Freitag, 6. August 2010 13:34 
An: Joe Boruch 
Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket 

On 8/5/2010 9:47 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: 
> I was not aware that Cometic had one for the TR4, this is great news! 
Their web site only shows it as 88mm. Anyone know if this has the relief to 
match grinding the top of the cylinder liner for intake valve flow? Joe(B) 
> 
They'll make a gasket for whatever bore you request. I have 89mm 
sleeves, so they made an 89mm gasket, same price as a stock gasket, 
IIRC. The gasket does not have the relief tho. 

jim 

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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Fri Aug  6 10:33:58 2010
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 16:33:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Riverside Races Footage - 1960s
Message-ID: <1978283923.968203.1281112438383.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Link to good film footage of racing at Riverside in the 1960's. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819aVZwnt3o 


Gary 


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Fri Aug  6 11:27:19 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 10:27:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Riverside Races Footage - 1960s
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Message-ID: <DF076B2B-F067-4B78-8DFA-AEF8933EDE33@earthlink.net>

Great footage but what's up with the sleepy-time music?

~Steve


On Aug 6, 2010, at 9:33 AM, vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote:

Link to good film footage of racing at Riverside in the 1960's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819aVZwnt3o


Gary
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From igofaster at att.net  Fri Aug  6 14:51:16 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 13:51:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] GT6   RACERS/DRIVERS  only.....  delete otherwise.
In-Reply-To: <8CD0312C4F4624E-4E04-67E6@Webmail-d109.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD0312C4F4624E-4E04-67E6@Webmail-d109.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <315689.46444.qm@web180806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I'll buy one for the GT6... yeah, I get it, we're slow movers...   : )




________________________________
From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, August 5, 2010 7:09:27 PM
Subject: [Fot] GT6   RACERS/DRIVERS  only.....  delete otherwise.

FOT,

My son sent an order through for 25 GT6 rear plates instead of for the TR6.

I'd like to reduce the inventory on these. I really hadnt planned to run
anymore as they are slow moving.

Killer price on the first five to get shed of a few.

Thanks,

Joe
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From igofaster at att.net  Fri Aug  6 15:33:09 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 14:33:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Riverside Races Footage - 1960s
In-Reply-To: <DF076B2B-F067-4B78-8DFA-AEF8933EDE33@earthlink.net>
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	<DF076B2B-F067-4B78-8DFA-AEF8933EDE33@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <722170.42913.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

dang.. that one roll over is scary... That's why you roadster guys wear arm 
restraints!  Bobby Whitehead GT6 Coupe'.




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To: vintage.racer at comcast.net
Cc: Friends of Triumph <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 12:27:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Riverside Races Footage - 1960s

Great footage but what's up with the sleepy-time music?

~Steve


On Aug 6, 2010, at 9:33 AM, vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote:

Link to good film footage of racing at Riverside in the 1960's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819aVZwnt3o


Gary
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From kaskas at cox.net  Fri Aug  6 16:24:35 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 15:24:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Riverside Races Footage - 1960s
In-Reply-To: <1978283923.968203.1281112438383.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20100806182435.BNZ9K.53411.imail@fed1rmwml29>

In the very beginning start you will see my car with Charlie Gates up in a white TR-4 #47. Saw lots of people I knew in those days.  good stuff.
---- vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote: 

=============
Link to good film footage of racing at Riverside in the 1960's. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819aVZwnt3o 


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From whitedog72 at hotmail.com  Fri Aug  6 21:04:09 2010
From: whitedog72 at hotmail.com (f s)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 20:04:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
Message-ID: <BAY138-W19180B570EF497E2C8C423C1920@phx.gbl>

Need some advice,

 I just put an engine together. 100% new seals and gaskets. Everything is
great accept the rear main seal is leaking alot. I have put alot of these
together and never had this problem before. I have taken it back apart and it
looks centered and no damage. I also made sure the all the bolts were good and
that areas that needed copper flat washers were correct. Any ideas from the
group? I am baffled and have a big mess. ;o(

Thanks


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Sat Aug  7 07:48:46 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 08:48:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
Message-ID: <000001cb3637$435fe3d0$ca1fab70$@com>

We just contacted Woodman Tire to order some Hoosier Speedsters to pick up
at the Kastner Cup at Heartland Park and Woodman said they will not be there
due to lack of orders and low number of entrants.

 

Tim

1961 TR4 #317


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sat Aug  7 09:11:38 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 11:11:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
	<4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
	<000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>
Message-ID: <4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net>

On 8/6/2010 8:00 AM, MadMarx wrote:
> What material is the gasket made from?
>
> Chris
>
>    
Chris, I don't have my build log handy and don't remember the material.  
The Cometic part number is H0793SP4043F.  Hoefentlich dass ist Hilfe.

jim
> On 8/5/2010 9:47 PM, Joe Boruch wrote:
>    
>> I was not aware that Cometic had one for the TR4, this is great news!
>>      
> Their web site only shows it as 88mm.  Anyone know if this has the relief to
> match grinding the top of the cylinder liner for intake valve flow?   Joe(B)
>    
>>
>>      
> They'll make a gasket for whatever bore you request.  I have 89mm
> sleeves, so they made an 89mm gasket, same price as a stock gasket,
> IIRC.  The gasket does not have the relief tho.
>
> jim
>
>    


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From bswope959 at msn.com  Sat Aug  7 10:17:48 2010
From: bswope959 at msn.com (Bill Swope)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 10:17:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
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Does any one know what the entry count is?
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  Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park


  We just contacted Woodman Tire to order some Hoosier Speedsters to pick up
  at the Kastner Cup at Heartland Park and Woodman said they will not be
there
  due to lack of orders and low number of entrants.



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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Aug  7 11:23:41 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 13:23:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
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References: <000001cb3637$435fe3d0$ca1fab70$@com>
	<SNT122-DS32B41D62E9219E2FB7680EC920@phx.gbl>
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Bill, and FOT,

We are still expecting 25, if not more, FOT.

I cant speak to the general entries, as there may be a lot of last minute
entries that I dont know about.

We will have quite a large field when the Triumphs are combined in the regular
group and a very nice Kastner Cup field.

We ARE the show at Topeka......no stock cars, plenty of track time, and lot's
of entertainment and hospitality.

I am sure that the primary organizers are disappointed at the response of this
inaugural event, but the quality is sure to be there.

Joe Alexander






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Sent: Sat, Aug 7, 2010 11:17 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park


Does any one know what the entry count is?
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 We just contacted Woodman Tire to order some Hoosier Speedsters to pick up
 at the Kastner Cup at Heartland Park and Woodman said they will not be
here
 due to lack of orders and low number of entrants.

  Tim
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Aug  7 13:25:46 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 14:25:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
References: <000001cb3637$435fe3d0$ca1fab70$@com><SNT122-DS32B41D62E9219E2FB7680EC920@phx.gbl>
	<8CD046C6A7DEA5A-1304-13B3E@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com>
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Gary and Bill have put an awful lot of work into this event and landed a 
pretty nice sponsor in O'Reilly's. The first event of any kind is always a 
crap shoot, but like Joe says, the Triumph guys have it made. When I started 
racing back in 1996 CVAR had an August date at Texas World Speedway. Boy was 
it hot in the sun, but we all made sure we had shadein the paddock. The 
drivers had the coolest time, crusing around at speed. If it is the heat in 
Topeka that is keeping you away don't let it. Just remember to come late to 
the grid (he-he) or bring an umbrella, drink lot's of Ozarka and drive fast. 
You'll be fine. It's not too late to make the decision to come. I hope 
everyone that can cake it comes.

You know, with the new F-1 track being built here in Austin, an FOT event at 
that world-class facility is an opportunity for the future. I think the 
track owners will want well run  vintage festival on their calendar. Maybe 
this could be in HVR's future as CVAR doesn't do spectator events.

Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
excellence.
Vince Lombardi
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <bswope959 at msn.com>; <GSFuqua1 at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>; 
<brinke at cebridge.net>; <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park


> Bill, and FOT,
>
> We are still expecting 25, if not more, FOT.
>
> I cant speak to the general entries, as there may be a lot of last minute
> entries that I dont know about.
>
> We will have quite a large field when the Triumphs are combined in the 
> regular
> group and a very nice Kastner Cup field.
>
> We ARE the show at Topeka......no stock cars, plenty of track time, and 
> lot's
> of entertainment and hospitality.
>
> I am sure that the primary organizers are disappointed at the response of 
> this
> inaugural event, but the quality is sure to be there.
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Swope <bswope959 at msn.com>
> To: GSFuqua1 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net; brinke at cebridge.net; Tim Murphy
> <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
> Sent: Sat, Aug 7, 2010 11:17 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
>
>
> Does any one know what the entry count is?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim Murphy<mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com>
> To: GSFuqua1 at aol.com<mailto:GSFuqua1 at aol.com> ;
> ot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net> ;
> rinke at cebridge.net<mailto:brinke at cebridge.net>
> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 7:48 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
>
> We just contacted Woodman Tire to order some Hoosier Speedsters to pick up
> at the Kastner Cup at Heartland Park and Woodman said they will not be
> here
> due to lack of orders and low number of entrants.
>
>  Tim
>  1961 TR4 #317
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sat Aug  7 14:00:45 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 16:00:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net>
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	<4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
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	<4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net>
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On 8/7/2010 11:11 AM, J.C. Hassall wrote:
> On 8/6/2010 8:00 AM, MadMarx wrote:
>    
>> What material is the gasket made from?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>      
> Chris, I don't have my build log handy and don't remember the material.
> The Cometic part number is H0793SP4043F.  Hoefentlich dass ist Hilfe.
>
> jim
>    
Chris, the material is 0.043" thick, a composite of metal (steel?) 
between two layers of some polymer.

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Aug  7 14:12:41 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 15:12:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
In-Reply-To: <7248A7089CA74DF38726FBD0151288CD@latitudefb1e41>
References: <000001cb3637$435fe3d0$ca1fab70$@com>
	<SNT122-DS32B41D62E9219E2FB7680EC920@phx.gbl>
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	<7248A7089CA74DF38726FBD0151288CD@latitudefb1e41>
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Hmm.  I wonder when they were going to tell me about that?  I told 
them to reserve a set of 4 for mounting on Thursday.  That would have 
ruined my weekend to not get tires!

- Tony Drews


>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Tim Murphy<mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com>
>>To: GSFuqua1 at aol.com<mailto:GSFuqua1 at aol.com> ;
>>ot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net> ;
>>rinke at cebridge.net<mailto:brinke at cebridge.net>
>>Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 7:48 AM
>>Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
>>
>>We just contacted Woodman Tire to order some Hoosier Speedsters to pick up
>>at the Kastner Cup at Heartland Park and Woodman said they will not be
>>here
>>due to lack of orders and low number of entrants.
>>
>>  Tim
>>  1961 TR4 #317


From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Sat Aug  7 16:34:03 2010
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 18:34:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Riverside Races Footage - 1960s
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References: <1978283923.968203.1281112438383.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><DF076B2B-F067-4B78-8DFA-AEF8933EDE33@earthlink.net>
	<722170.42913.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Arm restraints just went on next races check list. I know they need to 
shorter     rob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bobby Whitehead" <igofaster at att.net>
To: "FoT Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Riverside Races Footage - 1960s


> dang.. that one roll over is scary... That's why you roadster guys wear 
> arm
> restraints!  Bobby Whitehead GT6 Coupe'.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
> To: vintage.racer at comcast.net
> Cc: Friends of Triumph <FOT at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 12:27:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Riverside Races Footage - 1960s
>
> Great footage but what's up with the sleepy-time music?
>
> ~Steve
>
>
> On Aug 6, 2010, at 9:33 AM, vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote:
>
> Link to good film footage of racing at Riverside in the 1960's.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819aVZwnt3o
>
>
> Gary
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From susank at 141.com  Sat Aug  7 16:58:50 2010
From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 18:58:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Interesting tire development
Message-ID: <4C5DE52A.3080505@141.com>

Hey gang,

I just got the latest copy of Popular Mechanics and it had an 
interesting little article about a new tire--the Camber Tire from Optima 
Sports. It gives you negative camber all the time, but keeps the tread 
patch squarely on the road. The way they do this is to shorten the inner 
sidewall. The article says the company hopes to have production versions 
in a couple of years.

Interesting approach. I was mulling just the other day over how I didn't 
think there had been any real "revolutions" in the tire industry any 
time recently. Think this will be one?

Here's their website: http://www.cambertire.com/. It's not the best 
quality, but gives a little info. And the "Racer" tab is not clickable 
for me (and it's replaced by "Green" when you scroll down), so no info 
there.   :(

Just FYI!

Keep Triumphing,
Susan     :)

-- 
I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse.


From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat Aug  7 19:34:21 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 21:34:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Interesting tire development
In-Reply-To: <4C5DE52A.3080505@141.com>
References: <4C5DE52A.3080505@141.com>
Message-ID: <BAY157-ds9F3CBFAF8898341FCC2A7C3930@phx.gbl>

Nothing new really, the original BFG Comp TA R autocross tires did this in the
mid 80s.

Terry Stetler


From susank at 141.com  Sat Aug  7 20:41:42 2010
From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 22:41:42 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Interesting tire development
In-Reply-To: <BAY157-ds9F3CBFAF8898341FCC2A7C3930@phx.gbl>
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	<BAY157-ds9F3CBFAF8898341FCC2A7C3930@phx.gbl>
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat Aug  7 21:18:55 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 23:18:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Interesting tire development
In-Reply-To: <4C5DE52A.3080505@141.com>
	<BAY157-ds9F3CBFAF8898341FCC2A7C3930@phx.gbl>
	<4C5E1966.6020708@141.com>
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	<BAY157-ds9F3CBFAF8898341FCC2A7C3930@phx.gbl>
	<4C5E1966.6020708@141.com>
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I have no real idea why this design seems to be a dead end.

It was the flavor of the week in it's day, but in autocross, last years big
thing is this years boat dock bumper.

Personally, and speaking only about vintage cars, I'd be happy if all the
sanctioning bodies made the hardest possible compound Dunlop the only legal
tire for all production cars.

No more silly modern tires masquerading as "vintage" rubber, way less wear and
tear on components that were never designed for the cornering loads that they
are seeing now, lower lap times and greater safety margins, and in the end a
savings for competitors.

But I realize this will never happen.

Terry Stetler


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Aug  7 21:29:18 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 22:29:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Message from Bill Rinke re: Heartland Park status report
Message-ID: <6210FA272EE94B15BE242EC3BB457141@latitudefb1e41>

From: Bill Rinke
To: Bob Kramer ; bswope959 at msn.com ; GSFuqua1 at aol.com ; fot at autox.team.net ;
timmurph at fastbytes.com ; n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park


Bob, we appreciate your kind words.  Yes, this has been a long hard job and we
are now trying to develop a few alternatives that will hopefully prevent us
from going in the hole.  Disappointed?  Very.  We spoke with many drivers in
RMVR, CVAR, VSCDA, SVRA and other VMC organizations prior to initiating this
event and they all said they would support us.  VSCDA Formula Vee drivers said
they would bring 30 Vees to our event.  We attended VMC meetings and those
present said they would support us.  Well, so much for promises.

My emails to FoT don't go through as I am not a member so hope you will
forward this to them.

We really do thank the FoT for the strong support and their turn out at this
event will be remembered for a long time as one of the best Kastner Cup Races
they have driven in.  The bands and the fly over are still on.  The
Cheerleaders car wash is still on.  The pro music group from Houston will be
there and having fun for 4 days will be real easy to do.  Heck, the
temperature throughout the Midwest has been well into the 90's for the past
few weeks so we should all be used to it by now.

Check out our website at www.heartlandvintageracing.com and click on the
Racing button.  There you will now find the current Entry list which does not
include 8 entries that we received today.  Two of those entries were for the
Exhibition Group and none of those were for Triumphs.

I will be speaking with Evan at Bob Woodman Tire Co. on Monday.  During my
last conversation with him he advised he "only" had 8 sets of tires on order
which made it difficult for him to justify bringing a tire truck from Beufort,
SC to Topeka, KS.  I will establish a different tire supplier for our event.
In the meantime, Hoosier tires or other brands may be shipped to Charlie Clark
(shown on the Tire Supplier list under the Racing button) and he can mount
those tires at the track.  Charlie is the Goodyear Tire person and can not
sell brands other than Goodyear but he can service all brands.  Charlie will
have the Goodyear Tire Building open during our event.

Thanks so much for your support.  Yes, this will be a Great Vintage Racing
Extravaganza.

Bill


From billb at bnj.com  Sat Aug  7 23:04:32 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 22:04:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Interesting tire development
In-Reply-To: <BAY157-ds21A6868AEC8B92296FB5F3C3930@phx.gbl>
References: <4C5DE52A.3080505@141.com>
	<BAY157-ds9F3CBFAF8898341FCC2A7C3930@phx.gbl>
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	<BAY157-ds21A6868AEC8B92296FB5F3C3930@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4A93DE84-E532-4D0F-8F50-57F7C05C55B5@bnj.com>

General Racing has done it for years, HMSA too, though they seem less
committed to it. I have a set of Dunlops on mags that we really wouldn't trust
with stickier rubber. They look great. Tony made me buy a new set this year,
though I still think my ten year old set is still fine--they will never wear
out. Like racing on skateboard wheels. I don't like them, and I've had my
worst accidents on Dunlops ( not including getting hit by that Corvette at
Watkins).

On Aug 7, 2010, at 8:18 PM, Terry Stetler wrote:

> I have no real idea why this design seems to be a dead end.
>
> It was the flavor of the week in it's day, but in autocross, last years big
> thing is this years boat dock bumper.
>
> Personally, and speaking only about vintage cars, I'd be happy if all the
> sanctioning bodies made the hardest possible compound Dunlop the only legal
> tire for all production cars.
>
> No more silly modern tires masquerading as "vintage" rubber, way less wear
and
> tear on components that were never designed for the cornering loads that
they
> are seeing now, lower lap times and greater safety margins, and in the end
a
> savings for competitors.
>
> But I realize this will never happen.
>
> Terry Stetler
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>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Aug  8 03:32:59 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 11:32:59 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <4C5DBB6D.20807@blacksburg.net>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
	<4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
	<000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>
	<4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net> <4C5DBB6D.20807@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <000c01cb36dc$b3862890$1a9279b0$@com>

Thank you Jim for the information.

Quite thick as this thick gasket would need some further grinding of the
head to achieve the compression ratio.

 

Seems that I have to stay with the normal steel head gaskets.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

Von: J.C. Hassall [mailto:jhassall at blacksburg.net] 
Gesendet: Samstag, 7. August 2010 22:01
An: MadMarx
Cc: 'Joe Boruch'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket

 

On 8/7/2010 11:11 AM, J.C. Hassall wrote: 

On 8/6/2010 8:00 AM, MadMarx wrote:
  

What material is the gasket made from?
 
Chris
 
   
    

Chris, I don't have my build log handy and don't remember the material.  
The Cometic part number is H0793SP4043F.  Hoefentlich dass ist Hilfe.
 
jim
  

Chris, the material is 0.043" thick, a composite of metal (steel?) between
two layers of some polymer.

jim



-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Aug  8 22:10:07 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 22:10:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 stepped Weber manifolds
Message-ID: <4C5F7F9F.5030700@bradakis.com>

While digging through the mess in the garage I found a box with
some chunks of aluminum in it.  These chunks are fashioned to be
Weber carb intake manifolds for the Triumph GT6.  This set is
the TriumphTune ( SAH ) 1101 style, where the front manifold
puts the carb below the bonnet, no bulge necessary.  Of course,
getting everything lined up and working perfectly with such
limited clearance is still an issue.

This is sort of an early notice.  I was going to take some pictures
but the camera batteries are dead and I can't find the AC adapter
for it.  I'll either find it or get some batteries in the next day or
two, as well as come up with a fair price for the manifold set.
Just the three pieces, no fittings, linkage, gaskets or any such,
a bare bones offering.

Of course, if you wish to purchase the manifolds and have the
Fat Chance Garage install them for you, I'm sure we can work
something out.  I'm sure I could come up with three matching
40 DCOEs.

So if you have a GT6 and have been thinking about triple Webers,
now is a good time to think about it some more.

Gee, two weeks now to Topeka.

mjb.


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Mon Aug  9 07:07:31 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 09:07:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Interesting tire development
In-Reply-To: <4C5DE52A.3080505@141.com>
References: <4C5DE52A.3080505@141.com>
Message-ID: <99296B7A-FAE8-4EBB-8907-86F7F53C104F@comcast.net>

For us racers, I don't get it.  I thought the benefit of negative  
camber was to end up with a "square" tread against the road when the  
car leans in the turns.  If, with these tires, the tread is square  
going straight, the inside edge of the outside tire is going to be  
lifted on a turn.

Sounds like the thrust of their benefit is fuel savings, offsetting  
the scrubbing effect of toe-in.  Am I missing something?

On Aug 7, 2010, at 6:58 PM, Susan Kahler wrote:

Hey gang,

I just got the latest copy of Popular Mechanics and it had an  
interesting little article about a new tire--the Camber Tire from  
Optima Sports. It gives you negative camber all the time, but keeps  
the tread patch squarely on the road. The way they do this is to  
shorten the inner sidewall. The article says the company hopes to have  
production versions in a couple of years.

Interesting approach. I was mulling just the other day over how I  
didn't think there had been any real "revolutions" in the tire  
industry any time recently. Think this will be one?

Here's their website: http://www.cambertire.com/. It's not the best  
quality, but gives a little info. And the "Racer" tab is not clickable  
for me (and it's replaced by "Green" when you scroll down), so no info  
there.   :(

Just FYI!

Keep Triumphing,
Susan     :)

-- 
I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse.
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From jason at multivintage.com  Mon Aug  9 09:26:48 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:26:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <BAY138-W19180B570EF497E2C8C423C1920@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY138-W19180B570EF497E2C8C423C1920@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimX1CzRnaAe0sqQAXiEXXhh9HLy2CPrYH94_+Hc@mail.gmail.com>

I am having the same problem on my gt6. Mine may be just old and in need of
replacement. In my last weekend out I was loosing about a half quart per
session. My question about this is do I have to pull the whole motor or can
the seal be replaced by just removing the trans and doing it from the
inside? Will I do damage to things like the clutch If I try to race again
before doing so?

thanks for any advice for doing this job right and still racing soon.
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:04 PM, f s <whitedog72 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Need some advice,
>
>  I just put an engine together. 100% new seals and gaskets. Everything is
> great accept the rear main seal is leaking alot. I have put alot of these
> together and never had this problem before. I have taken it back apart and
> it
> looks centered and no damage. I also made sure the all the bolts were good
> and
> that areas that needed copper flat washers were correct. Any ideas from the
> group? I am baffled and have a big mess. ;o(
>
> Thanks
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Aug  9 09:49:38 2010
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 11:49:38 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
Message-ID: <1a5b2.3d06254a.39917d92@aol.com>

Hey guys,
 
A few years ago I got sick of the stock seals and upgraded to a National #  
417344 seal.  Readily available for about 8 bucks.
 
The rear seal plate has to be bored to 2.875 to use this seal.
 
I've been kicking around making a jig to bore these quickly after the  
initial setup.  Would anyone be interested in such a thing.  Probably  in the 
range of twenty to thirty Dollars exchange for the upgrade?
 
 
 
_http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/Rearsealplate007.jpg_ 
(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/Rearsealplate007.jpg) 
 
 
[IMG]http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/Rearsealplate007.jpg[/
IMG]


From REK46 at aol.com  Mon Aug  9 09:50:50 2010
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 11:50:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
Message-ID: <4a7ea.12e0ceeb.39917dda@aol.com>

Have you considered using a 'Speedi Sleeve' on the crank hub?....works  
great in making the seal tighter ...some seals flex or curl  a bit and the  
'centering of the seal is critical to the fit(not the rear plate fit....most  
manuals show the checking for the fit around the crank ,with feelers.....the  
SpeediSleeve will make it less prone to warpage or mis-alignment.
 
 
In a message dated 8/9/2010 11:41:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jason at multivintage.com writes:

I am  having the same problem on my gt6. Mine may be just old and in need  
of
replacement. In my last weekend out I was loosing about a half quart  per
session. My question about this is do I have to pull the whole motor or  can
the seal be replaced by just removing the trans and doing it from  the
inside? Will I do damage to things like the clutch If I try to race  again
before doing so?

thanks for any advice for doing this job  right and still racing soon.
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing  GT6+

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:04 PM, f s  <whitedog72 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Need some  advice,
>
>  I just put an engine together. 100% new seals  and gaskets. Everything is
> great accept the rear main seal is leaking  alot. I have put alot of these
> together and never had this problem  before. I have taken it back apart 
and
> it
> looks centered and  no damage. I also made sure the all the bolts were 
good
> and
>  that areas that needed copper flat washers were correct. Any ideas from  
the
> group? I am baffled and have a big mess. ;o(
>
>  Thanks
> _______________________________________________
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Mon Aug  9 10:04:36 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 12:04:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire, GT6
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimX1CzRnaAe0sqQAXiEXXhh9HLy2CPrYH94_+Hc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY138-W19180B570EF497E2C8C423C1920@phx.gbl>
	<AANLkTimX1CzRnaAe0sqQAXiEXXhh9HLy2CPrYH94_+Hc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A7EFB65A-0C5F-4361-BBA9-978A7CEF9EF9@comcast.net>

I've never tried to replace one on my GT6 with the engine in the car,  
but question whether you can get it properly centered from this angle  
(unless you have the centering tool, which i don't), and with the oil  
pan in place.  Removal and re-installation will disrupt the pan gasket  
as well, and I've found the pan/gasket to be a big source of oil leaks  
unless my prep was careful and the pan flange straight - lots of  
Permatex RTV seems to help.

Let me know if it can be done!  Wondering if you can properly support  
the engine and run it without refitting the trans, after a new seal is  
installed, to see if it's sealing?  If it's the pan gasket, it won't  
leak much except when cornering so this test wouldn't work.

Oil should not damage the clutch, as the oil should be on the front  
side of the flywheel away from the clutch, unless there is just that  
much oil circulating in the bell housing.

On Aug 9, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:

I am having the same problem on my gt6. Mine may be just old and in  
need of
replacement. In my last weekend out I was loosing about a half quart per
session. My question about this is do I have to pull the whole motor  
or can
the seal be replaced by just removing the trans and doing it from the
inside? Will I do damage to things like the clutch If I try to race  
again
before doing so?

thanks for any advice for doing this job right and still racing soon.
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:04 PM, f s <whitedog72 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Need some advice,
>
> I just put an engine together. 100% new seals and gaskets.  
> Everything is
> great accept the rear main seal is leaking alot. I have put alot of  
> these
> together and never had this problem before. I have taken it back  
> apart and
> it
> looks centered and no damage. I also made sure the all the bolts  
> were good
> and
> that areas that needed copper flat washers were correct. Any ideas  
> from the
> group? I am baffled and have a big mess. ;o(
>
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
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From jerrybarr at charter.net  Mon Aug  9 10:10:03 2010
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 11:10:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimX1CzRnaAe0sqQAXiEXXhh9HLy2CPrYH94_+Hc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY138-W19180B570EF497E2C8C423C1920@phx.gbl>
	<AANLkTimX1CzRnaAe0sqQAXiEXXhh9HLy2CPrYH94_+Hc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DE981956-596B-4429-AA33-1629E5269082@charter.net>

The leak sounds like a Snidely Whiplash sort of way to win races. Keep  
it up. With your oil leak and all the smoke I was creating when the  
Spitfire blew up we could have won for sure.
On Aug 9, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:

> I am having the same problem on my gt6. Mine may be just old and in  
> need of
> replacement. In my last weekend out I was loosing about a half quart  
> per
> session. My question about this is do I have to pull the whole motor  
> or can
> the seal be replaced by just removing the trans and doing it from the
> inside? Will I do damage to things like the clutch If I try to race  
> again
> before doing so?
>
> thanks for any advice for doing this job right and still racing soon.
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:04 PM, f s <whitedog72 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Need some advice,
>>
>> I just put an engine together. 100% new seals and gaskets.  
>> Everything is
>> great accept the rear main seal is leaking alot. I have put alot of  
>> these
>> together and never had this problem before. I have taken it back  
>> apart and
>> it
>> looks centered and no damage. I also made sure the all the bolts  
>> were good
>> and
>> that areas that needed copper flat washers were correct. Any ideas  
>> from the
>> group? I am baffled and have a big mess. ;o(
>>
>> Thanks
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
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From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Aug  9 12:58:59 2010
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 13:58:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1281376802.27740.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.3.1281376802.27740.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000301cb37f4$ed3c6fe0$c7b54fa0$@aero>

It can be done without removing the engine from the car but unless you have
the car on a hoist, it may be more difficult in the long run.
As noted; both the rear engine plate and the oil pan will have to be removed
in order to access the alloy sealing plate that holds the seal and that is
after the clutch and flywheel are off as well.
I would not want to do that while on a floor creeper. I may be easier to
just pull the engine and put it on a bench/stand.


Robert MacKenzie
NASS # 511
Austin Texas
'79 1500 (street)
'62 Spitfire 4 (race)
president at hillcountrytriumphclub.org


From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Aug  9 13:41:05 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 14:41:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] nomination
Message-ID: <001f01cb37fa$cf0fc520$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

The recent Riverside Raceway thread shook up a long dormnant synapse.

Last year, I visited the Riverside Raceway Museum in Riverside and there met
a man I'd like to nominate.


Patrick Flynn.  He works at the museum - much of his time spent with the
photo archives- and was a long time employee at the track.
Also, he raced TR3's and 4's during the sixties.   Also a Morgan.
I think his historical knowledge would be a great asset to our group.

his e-mail    pflynn001 at earthlink.net

art de armond


From kaskas at cox.net  Mon Aug  9 14:28:23 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 13:28:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] nomination
In-Reply-To: <001f01cb37fa$cf0fc520$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <20100809162823.758LL.82519.imail@fed1rmwml29>

I'll second the nomination of Pat Flynn.


---- riverside <riverside at southslope.net> wrote: 

=============
The recent Riverside Raceway thread shook up a long dormnant synapse.

Last year, I visited the Riverside Raceway Museum in Riverside and there met
a man I'd like to nominate.


Patrick Flynn.  He works at the museum - much of his time spent with the
photo archives- and was a long time employee at the track.
Also, he raced TR3's and 4's during the sixties.   Also a Morgan.
I think his historical knowledge would be a great asset to our group.

his e-mail    pflynn001 at earthlink.net

art de armond
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Mon Aug  9 14:39:25 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:39:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] nomination
In-Reply-To: <001f01cb37fa$cf0fc520$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <704577.10872.qm@smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I'll second, we all need a brain trust...

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of riverside
Sent: August 9, 2010 3:41 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] nomination

The recent Riverside Raceway thread shook up a long dormnant synapse.

Last year, I visited the Riverside Raceway Museum in Riverside and there met
a man I'd like to nominate.


Patrick Flynn.  He works at the museum - much of his time spent with the
photo archives- and was a long time employee at the track.
Also, he raced TR3's and 4's during the sixties.   Also a Morgan.
I think his historical knowledge would be a great asset to our group.

his e-mail    pflynn001 at earthlink.net

art de armond
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Mon Aug  9 16:08:03 2010
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:08:03 +1000
Subject: [Fot] IRS TR rear hubs & axles
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=C9Ram_Hqq8UnDaznKUYX5mVVZ=e3K2TD8WO64@mail.gmail.com>

i have finally broken the last of my factory rear hubs at a race meeting, so
now is time for change.I got almost 7 years of racing on the last of the
ones I built with brand new parts, so I'm not complaining

I have looked at some Nissan S13 Sylvia ones and these appeal as they have a
CV jointed axle (which I would have to shorten) and appear relatively easy
to adapt into the IRS trailing arm.  Big bonus is the identical stud
pattern. I have seen the older Nissan 260Z and 510 sedan ones fitted, but
they use the very heavy rolling ball axle, which is now technically
out-dated.

what are other racers in the USA currently using??

thanks

 Terry O'Beirne
Australia


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Aug  9 17:25:04 2010
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 19:25:04 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Better rear seal
Message-ID: <3660b.463c3d43.3991e850@aol.com>

After this mornings discussion I got playing around and made a jig for  
converting our rear seals to a better and cheaper seal.  I was able to  convert 
four of them, all I had, available for thirty Dollars exchange with the  
ten Dollar seal installed.
 
Obviously not going to fund my retirement but if I can get enough of the  
rear plates to do in one go it could be worth it for the beer money.
 
Oddly, I'd have thought I could find dozens of those plates around but four 
 was all I could come up with....
 
_http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/Rearseal017.jpg_ 
(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/Rearseal017.jpg) 
 
_http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/Rearsealplate007.jpg_ 
(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/Rearsealplate007.jpg) 


From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  9 17:27:27 2010
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:27:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] IRS TR rear hubs & axles
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=C9Ram_Hqq8UnDaznKUYX5mVVZ=e3K2TD8WO64@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=C9Ram_Hqq8UnDaznKUYX5mVVZ=e3K2TD8WO64@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <637568.36602.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I have been running the Corvair conversion for a long time. However, I think 
Richard Good has the best modern setup.  www.goodparts.com 


Mike





________________________________
From: Enquiries Road & Track <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, August 9, 2010 4:08:03 PM
Subject: [Fot] IRS TR rear hubs & axles

i have finally broken the last of my factory rear hubs at a race meeting, so
now is time for change.I got almost 7 years of racing on the last of the
ones I built with brand new parts, so I'm not complaining

I have looked at some Nissan S13 Sylvia ones and these appeal as they have a
CV jointed axle (which I would have to shorten) and appear relatively easy
to adapt into the IRS trailing arm.  Big bonus is the identical stud
pattern. I have seen the older Nissan 260Z and 510 sedan ones fitted, but
they use the very heavy rolling ball axle, which is now technically
out-dated.

what are other racers in the USA currently using??

thanks

Terry O'Beirne
Australia
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Aug  9 17:37:24 2010
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 19:37:24 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
Message-ID: <37085.61f83794.3991eb34@aol.com>

Well it's gonna still be the same threads.  If you get ham handed then  
it's helicoil time.  A most imperfect solution in my opinion.
 
I stud mine to postpone that aggravation but it only buys time.  They  are 
made of alloy colored cheese after all.
 
I suppose a CAD-CAM shop could reproduce the whole thing for us at a  
reasonable price but why would they bother for such a small  market?


From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon Aug  9 17:40:27 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 18:40:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <4C606A0A.90106@pobox.com>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
	<4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
	<000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>
	<4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net> <4C5DBB6D.20807@blacksburg.net>
	<000c01cb36dc$b3862890$1a9279b0$@com> <4C606A0A.90106@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <4C6091EB.6070100@pobox.com>

This issue of head gasket thickness has puzzled me for some time.  I 
understand why this was such a big issue in the old days, because people 
used off the shelf pistons.  However, now if you're racing a TR3 or TR4 
and want 87mm forged pistons you probably have to order them custom made 
from someplace like Wiseco.  Why not order them with a greater 
compression height to make up for the thicker head gasket?  I believe 
2.00 inches puts the top of the piston at the top of the liner.  If 
you're head gasket is 0.045, you could order a 2.10 compression height 
for an 0.035 clearance.  This is pushing the limit, so you'd have to be 
sure you've got all the correct dimensions.  Am I missing something?
Larry Young
> MadMarx wrote:
>> Thank you Jim for the information.
>>
>> Quite thick as this thick gasket would need some further grinding of the
>> head to achieve the compression ratio.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Seems that I have to stay with the normal steel head gaskets.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Chris


From rodkent at cox.net  Mon Aug  9 17:50:26 2010
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 19:50:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] IRS TR rear hubs & axles
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=C9Ram_Hqq8UnDaznKUYX5mVVZ=e3K2TD8WO64@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100809195026.YTOZ7.377148.imail@fed1rmwml44>

Hi, we use a 280z rear outer axle and adapt to vw bus cv joints at hub and diff, using short off road type axles. Bulletproof
---- Enquiries Road & Track <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au> wrote: 
i have finally broken the last of my factory rear hubs at a race meeting, so
now is time for change.I got almost 7 years of racing on the last of the
ones I built with brand new parts, so I'm not complaining

I have looked at some Nissan S13 Sylvia ones and these appeal as they have a
CV jointed axle (which I would have to shorten) and appear relatively easy
to adapt into the IRS trailing arm.  Big bonus is the identical stud
pattern. I have seen the older Nissan 260Z and 510 sedan ones fitted, but
they use the very heavy rolling ball axle, which is now technically
out-dated.

what are other racers in the USA currently using??

thanks

 Terry O'Beirne
Australia
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Mon Aug  9 18:40:56 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 00:40:56 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
Message-ID: <20100809.204056.11582.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com>

My thoughts exactly.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 18:40:27 -0500

This issue of head gasket thickness has puzzled me for some time.  I
understand why this was such a big issue in the old days, because people
used off the shelf pistons.  However, now if you're racing a TR3 or TR4
and want 87mm forged pistons you probably have to order them custom made
from someplace like Wiseco.  Why not order them with a greater
compression height to make up for the thicker head gasket?  I believe
2.00 inches puts the top of the piston at the top of the liner.  If
you're head gasket is 0.045, you could order a 2.10 compression height
for an 0.035 clearance.  This is pushing the limit, so you'd have to be
sure you've got all the correct dimensions.  Am I missing something?
Larry Young

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From atr6racer at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  9 19:05:02 2010
From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 21:05:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] IRS TR rear hubs & axles
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=C9Ram_Hqq8UnDaznKUYX5mVVZ=e3K2TD8WO64@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=C9Ram_Hqq8UnDaznKUYX5mVVZ=e3K2TD8WO64@mail.gmail.com>
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Two words.

Richard Good

http://www.goodparts.com/shop/index.php?categoryID=20


Call Richard at Good parts and his axle/CV joint unit will be the end to your
problems. High quality, great performance. I used them for the last two years
on all of my TR6 race cars.

Sam Halkias

> From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au
> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:08:03 +1000
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] IRS TR rear hubs & axles
>
> i have finally broken the last of my factory rear hubs at a race meeting,
so
> now is time for change.I got almost 7 years of racing on the last of the
> ones I built with brand new parts, so I'm not complaining
>
> I have looked at some Nissan S13 Sylvia ones and these appeal as they have
a
> CV jointed axle (which I would have to shorten) and appear relatively easy
> to adapt into the IRS trailing arm. Big bonus is the identical stud
> pattern. I have seen the older Nissan 260Z and 510 sedan ones fitted, but
> they use the very heavy rolling ball axle, which is now technically
> out-dated.
>
> what are other racers in the USA currently using??
>
> thanks
>
> Terry O'Beirne
> Australia
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Aug  9 19:17:38 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 18:17:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <4C6091EB.6070100@pobox.com>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
	<4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
	<000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>
	<4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net> <4C5DBB6D.20807@blacksburg.net>
	<000c01cb36dc$b3862890$1a9279b0$@com> <4C606A0A.90106@pobox.com>
	<4C6091EB.6070100@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <33E20667-2569-4A13-B995-4396C2CD7C00@earthlink.net>

Sure custom pistons can be ordered to whatever specs you want, but if  
you want to run what you've got, perhaps this HG is a little too thick  
to get the desired CR.

~Steve


On Aug 9, 2010, at 4:40 PM, Larry Young wrote:

This issue of head gasket thickness has puzzled me for some time.  I  
understand why this was such a big issue in the old days, because  
people used off the shelf pistons.  However, now if you're racing a  
TR3 or TR4 and want 87mm forged pistons you probably have to order  
them custom made from someplace like Wiseco.  Why not order them with  
a greater compression height to make up for the thicker head gasket?   
I believe 2.00 inches puts the top of the piston at the top of the  
liner.  If you're head gasket is 0.045, you could order a 2.10  
compression height for an 0.035 clearance.  This is pushing the limit,  
so you'd have to be sure you've got all the correct dimensions.  Am I  
missing something?
Larry Young
> MadMarx wrote:
>> Thank you Jim for the information.
>>
>> Quite thick as this thick gasket would need some further grinding  
>> of the
>> head to achieve the compression ratio.
>>
>>
>> Seems that I have to stay with the normal steel head gaskets.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Chris
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Mon Aug  9 19:42:31 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 21:42:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] IRS TR rear hubs & axles
References: <AANLkTi=C9Ram_Hqq8UnDaznKUYX5mVVZ=e3K2TD8WO64@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <017401cb382d$4eb6fcd0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

Two words: Richard Good.
His hubs are bomb proof and not that expensive. You don't necessarily need
the CV joints but they are nice. There are also uprated half shafts out
there with heavier u-joints.
Heavier u-joints are offered by both Richard Good and Ted Schumacher. Worth
the money.
I took everyone's advice and got Richard's  rear hubs and my confidence
level rose greatly. Same with Uncle Jack's front spindles. Worthy
investment.
No financial interest, other than helping out FOT members, both buying and
selling.
Good luck.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 6:08 PM
Subject: [Fot] IRS TR rear hubs & axles


> i have finally broken the last of my factory rear hubs at a race meeting,
so
> now is time for change.I got almost 7 years of racing on the last of the
> ones I built with brand new parts, so I'm not complaining
>
> I have looked at some Nissan S13 Sylvia ones and these appeal as they have
a
> CV jointed axle (which I would have to shorten) and appear relatively easy
> to adapt into the IRS trailing arm.  Big bonus is the identical stud
> pattern. I have seen the older Nissan 260Z and 510 sedan ones fitted, but
> they use the very heavy rolling ball axle, which is now technically
> out-dated.
>
> what are other racers in the USA currently using??
>
> thanks
>
>  Terry O'Beirne
> Australia
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>
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From brinke at cebridge.net  Sat Aug  7 19:31:06 2010
From: brinke at cebridge.net (Bill Rinke)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 20:31:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park
References: <000001cb3637$435fe3d0$ca1fab70$@com><SNT122-DS32B41D62E9219E2FB7680EC920@phx.gbl>
	<8CD046C6A7DEA5A-1304-13B3E@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com>
	<7248A7089CA74DF38726FBD0151288CD@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <CF84AB4A6E904BEC9E8996D288FF077D@main>

Bob, we appreciate your kind words.  Yes, this has been a long hard job and we
are now trying to develop a few alternatives that will hopefully prevent us
from going in the hole.  Disappointed?  Very.  We spoke with many drivers in
RMVR, CVAR, VSCDA, SVRA and other VMC organizations prior to initiating this
event and they all said they would support us.  VSCDA Formula Vee drivers said
they would bring 30 Vees to our event.  We attended VMC meetings and those
present said they would support us.  Well, so much for promises.

My emails to FoT don't go through as I am not a member so hope you will
forward this to them.

We really do thank the FoT for the strong support and their turn out at this
event will be remembered for a long time as one of the best Kastner Cup Races
they have driven in.  The bands and the fly over are still on.  The
Cheerleaders car wash is still on.  The pro music group from Houston will be
there and having fun for 4 days will be real easy to do.  Heck, the
temperature throughout the Midwest has been well into the 90's for the past
few weeks so we should all be used to it by now.

Check out our website at www.heartlandvintageracing.com and click on the
Racing button.  There you will now find the current Entry list which does not
include 8 entries that we received today.  Two of those entries were for the
Exhibition Group and none of those were for Triumphs.

I will be speaking with Evan at Bob Woodman Tire Co. on Monday.  During my
last conversation with him he advised he "only" had 8 sets of tires on order
which made it difficult for him to justify bringing a tire truck from Beufort,
SC to Topeka, KS.  I will establish a different tire supplier for our event.
In the meantime, Hoosier tires or other brands may be shipped to Charlie Clark
(shown on the Tire Supplier list under the Racing button) and he can mount
those tires at the track.  Charlie is the Goodyear Tire person and can not
sell brands other than Goodyear but he can service all brands.  Charlie will
have the Goodyear Tire Building open during our event.

Thanks so much for your support.  Yes, this will be a Great Vintage Racing
Extravaganza.

Bill



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bob Kramer
  To: bswope959 at msn.com ; GSFuqua1 at aol.com ; fot at autox.team.net ;
brinke at cebridge.net ; timmurph at fastbytes.com ; n197tr4 at cs.com
  Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 2:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Woodman Tire at Heartland Park


  Gary and Bill have put an awful lot of work into this event and landed a
  pretty nice sponsor in O'Reilly's. The first event of any kind is always a
  crap shoot, but like Joe says, the Triumph guys have it made. When I started
  racing back in 1996 CVAR had an August date at Texas World Speedway. Boy was
  it hot in the sun, but we all made sure we had shadein the paddock. The
  drivers had the coolest time, crusing around at speed. If it is the heat in
  Topeka that is keeping you away don't let it. Just remember to come late to
  the grid (he-he) or bring an umbrella, drink lot's of Ozarka and drive fast.
  You'll be fine. It's not too late to make the decision to come. I hope
  everyone that can cake it comes.

  You know, with the new F-1 track being built here in Austin, an FOT event at
  that world-class facility is an opportunity for the future. I think the
  track owners will want well run  vintage festival on their calendar. Maybe
  this could be in HVR's future as CVAR doesn't do spectator events.

  Bob Kramer
  Volente, TX


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Aug 10 00:55:51 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:55:51 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <4C6091EB.6070100@pobox.com>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
	<4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
	<000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>
	<4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net> <4C5DBB6D.20807@blacksburg.net>
	<000c01cb36dc$b3862890$1a9279b0$@com> <4C606A0A.90106@pobox.com>
	<4C6091EB.6070100@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <000601cb3859$131bb9a0$39532ce0$@com>

Hi Larry,

you are right you could order custom pistons for this gasket. But my engine
is done so far and also the custom pistons.

Is the thickness of the gasket in "new" condition or "compressed" condition?
Maybe this information will tell us more?

I use the available steel gaskets but they doesnt fit very well and I have
to grind out at some spots on the gasket.
So I'm looking for better fitting stuff.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Larry Young
Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. August 2010 01:40
An: FOT
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket

This issue of head gasket thickness has puzzled me for some time.  I
understand why this was such a big issue in the old days, because people
used off the shelf pistons.  However, now if you're racing a TR3 or TR4
and want 87mm forged pistons you probably have to order them custom made
from someplace like Wiseco.  Why not order them with a greater
compression height to make up for the thicker head gasket?  I believe
2.00 inches puts the top of the piston at the top of the liner.  If
you're head gasket is 0.045, you could order a 2.10 compression height
for an 0.035 clearance.  This is pushing the limit, so you'd have to be
sure you've got all the correct dimensions.  Am I missing something?
Larry Young
> MadMarx wrote:
>> Thank you Jim for the information.
>>
>> Quite thick as this thick gasket would need some further grinding of the
>> head to achieve the compression ratio.
>>
>>
>>
>> Seems that I have to stay with the normal steel head gaskets.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Chris
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 10 13:57:10 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:57:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
Message-ID: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>

I am about to install.

What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
transponder?

Any caveats?

Orientation?

Thanks!

Joe


From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Aug 10 14:19:55 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:19:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <653C52B6273C4D8EA581B1D5DAC7BD34@Bud>

always go as far forward as possible
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:57 PM
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions


>I am about to install.
>
> What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
> transponder?
>
> Any caveats?
>
> Orientation?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Aug 10 14:34:10 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:34:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
In-Reply-To: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1699760142.912483.1281472449996.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I mounted mine in the engine bay, right side, behind the valance for 

a clean view of the ground and accesible from the top. 

I had one mounted closer to the top of the radiator but the signal was 

sketchy at times. 



jim g 




----- Original Message ----- 
From: n197tr4 at cs.com 
To: fot at autox.team.net 
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:57:10 PM 
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions 

I am about to install. 

What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the 
transponder? 

Any caveats? 

Orientation? 

Thanks! 

Joe 
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 10 15:18:20 2010
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:18:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
In-Reply-To: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <67E902AE-49D7-4CFC-815F-167B1A768DD0@earthlink.net>

Mount it onto a retractable rod that can shoot forward at the start/ 
finish line if necessary. :)

~Steve


On Aug 10, 2010, at 12:57 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:

I am about to install.

What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
transponder?

Any caveats?

Orientation?

Thanks!

Joe
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Aug 10 15:42:01 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:42:01 +0200
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
In-Reply-To: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <001c01cb38d4$df7ec340$9e7c49c0$@com>

I have one at the front behind the grill.
And a second one that I throw over the finish line if needed to get ahead of
someone. :-)

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von n197tr4 at cs.com
Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. August 2010 21:57
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions

I am about to install.

What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
transponder?

Any caveats?

Orientation?

Thanks!

Joe
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From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Aug 10 15:55:27 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:55:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
	<67E902AE-49D7-4CFC-815F-167B1A768DD0@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <FA234DC89BB4481A8F58F2FA0222040E@Bud>

Good Idea Steve...that prompted a plan....Since it's not hard wired...put a 
magnet on it, and casually walk through the pits and stick it on any car 
that you think will be a runaway winner..
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions


> Mount it onto a retractable rod that can shoot forward at the start/ 
> finish line if necessary. :)
>
> ~Steve
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2010, at 12:57 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
>
> I am about to install.
>
> What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
> transponder?
>
> Any caveats?
>
> Orientation?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 10 16:01:14 2010
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:01:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TRANSPONDER location
In-Reply-To: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <92649.1457.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Joe,
An important point is that the transponder needs to see the track not only 
straight down but also forward and back by at least a few inches. As you cross 
the line the transponder makes a number of hits: weaker as you approach/depart, 
strongest as you pass directly over. It triangulates on the signal strength 
coming and going to find the exact millisecond you are centered over the loop. 
Ideally there should be an uninterrupted cone of vision from the transponder 
bottom to the asphalt. AMB tells you the maximum height is 2 feet. But they do 
not tell you there is a also practical minimum height of around 9-12 inches: too 
small a cone of signal means too few hits to accurately position you. That means 
don't do the obvious and mount it on the frame. This generates a weak-signal 
warning to the T&S system and you will likely get a love note at pit in to 
change it. (Been there, done that.) Mid-height inside the wheel well is AMB's 
suggestion, but outside the front valance works great too and provides easier 
access for removal.

Hope this helps,
Gary Schneider






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To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 2:57:10 PM
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions

I am about to install.

What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
transponder?

Any caveats?

Orientation?

Thanks!

Joe
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 10 16:34:44 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:34:44 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
Message-ID: <6a1a5.3e8fbc18.39932e04@cs.com>

It is good to see the FOT alive and well and playing well with each other 
on the list.

The responses actually helped me identify a premium location on the AMBRO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------
Looking forward to the FOT gathering next week. Kas leaves on Monday for 
Wednesday arrival with the Coveted Kastner Cup.  Many will be there by 
Wednesday night with everyone in place by Thursday.

The forecast is a 10-15 degree trend in declining temperatures. 
Probabilities would indicate this after a sustained heat wave. 

More later,  Joe





> Good Idea Steve...that prompted a plan....Since it's not hard wired...put 
> a 
> magnet on it, and casually walk through the pits and stick it on any car 
> that you think will be a runaway winner..
> RB
> 

</HTML>


From stutzmans at comcast.net  Tue Aug 10 17:11:25 2010
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:11:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <000601cb3859$131bb9a0$39532ce0$@com>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net><000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com><4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net>
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Do any listers have actual experience using this head gasket?
Bruce
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: "'Larry Young'" <cartravel at pobox.com>; "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket


> Hi Larry,
>
> you are right you could order custom pistons for this gasket. But my 
> engine
> is done so far and also the custom pistons.
>
> Is the thickness of the gasket in "new" condition or "compressed" 
> condition?
> Maybe this information will tell us more?
>
> I use the available steel gaskets but they doesnt fit very well and I 
> have
> to grind out at some spots on the gasket.
> So I'm looking for better fitting stuff.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Larry Young
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. August 2010 01:40
> An: FOT
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
>
> This issue of head gasket thickness has puzzled me for some time.  I
> understand why this was such a big issue in the old days, because people
> used off the shelf pistons.  However, now if you're racing a TR3 or TR4
> and want 87mm forged pistons you probably have to order them custom made
> from someplace like Wiseco.  Why not order them with a greater
> compression height to make up for the thicker head gasket?  I believe
> 2.00 inches puts the top of the piston at the top of the liner.  If
> you're head gasket is 0.045, you could order a 2.10 compression height
> for an 0.035 clearance.  This is pushing the limit, so you'd have to be
> sure you've got all the correct dimensions.  Am I missing something?
> Larry Young
>> MadMarx wrote:
>>> Thank you Jim for the information.
>>>
>>> Quite thick as this thick gasket would need some further grinding of the
>>> head to achieve the compression ratio.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seems that I have to stay with the normal steel head gaskets.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Chris
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Tue Aug 10 17:55:23 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:55:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TRANSPONDER location - frame works ok
In-Reply-To: <92649.1457.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
	<92649.1457.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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I have mine mounted on the frame rail, center about 8" above grade,  
and had no troubles.

On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Gary Schneider wrote:

Joe,
An important point is that the transponder needs to see the track not  
only
straight down but also forward and back by at least a few inches. As  
you cross
the line the transponder makes a number of hits: weaker as you  
approach/depart,
strongest as you pass directly over. It triangulates on the signal  
strength
coming and going to find the exact millisecond you are centered over  
the loop.
Ideally there should be an uninterrupted cone of vision from the  
transponder
bottom to the asphalt. AMB tells you the maximum height is 2 feet. But  
they do
not tell you there is a also practical minimum height of around 9-12  
inches: too
small a cone of signal means too few hits to accurately position you.  
That means
don't do the obvious and mount it on the frame. This generates a weak- 
signal
warning to the T&S system and you will likely get a love note at pit  
in to
change it. (Been there, done that.) Mid-height inside the wheel well  
is AMB's
suggestion, but outside the front valance works great too and provides  
easier
access for removal.

Hope this helps,
Gary Schneider






________________________________
From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 2:57:10 PM
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions

I am about to install.

What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
transponder?

Any caveats?

Orientation?

Thanks!

Joe
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From pcdelux at verizon.net  Tue Aug 10 17:58:56 2010
From: pcdelux at verizon.net (William Dewar)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:58:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
References: <6a1a5.3e8fbc18.39932e04@cs.com>
Message-ID: <005301cb38e8$1a9dd2f0$2101a8c0@userge6zixcg5r>

Joe,

 If you stick it on Peyote remember it's aluminum. Probably need Gorilla 
glue. Just make sure it is slightly forward of Peyote's real one.

Bill D
NJTA
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <budscars at comcast.net>; <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions


> It is good to see the FOT alive and well and playing well with each other
> on the list.
>
> The responses actually helped me identify a premium location on the AMBRO.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------
> Looking forward to the FOT gathering next week. Kas leaves on Monday for
> Wednesday arrival with the Coveted Kastner Cup.  Many will be there by
> Wednesday night with everyone in place by Thursday.
>
> The forecast is a 10-15 degree trend in declining temperatures.
> Probabilities would indicate this after a sustained heat wave.
>
> More later,  Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>> Good Idea Steve...that prompted a plan....Since it's not hard wired...put
>> a
>> magnet on it, and casually walk through the pits and stick it on any car
>> that you think will be a runaway winner..
>> RB
>>
>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Aug 10 17:59:03 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:59:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
	<001c01cb38d4$df7ec340$9e7c49c0$@com>
Message-ID: <DEE803F61E074F89B7E5691D342EDD21@Bud>

maybe there is an advantage to the non-hard wired ones after all.
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: <n197tr4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions


>I have one at the front behind the grill.
> And a second one that I throw over the finish line if needed to get ahead 
> of
> someone. :-)
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von n197tr4 at cs.com
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. August 2010 21:57
> An: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
>
> I am about to install.
>
> What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
> transponder?
>
> Any caveats?
>
> Orientation?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 10 18:29:06 2010
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:29:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TRANSPONDER location - frame works ok
In-Reply-To: <EC0D7290-D06D-46DC-8685-2A764FAD0EF3@comcast.net>
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
	<92649.1457.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<EC0D7290-D06D-46DC-8685-2A764FAD0EF3@comcast.net>
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Scott,
Sounds like 8" is still in the workable range then. We had trouble in the 4-6" 
area on two different cars. If there's ever any question, your T&S folks can 
tell you how many hits they get from each transponder.
Thanks and regards,
Gary
To: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 6:55:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TRANSPONDER location - frame works ok

I have mine mounted on the frame rail, center about 8" above grade, and had no 
troubles.


On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Gary Schneider wrote:

Joe,
An important point is that the transponder needs to see the track not only 
straight down but also forward and back by at least a few inches. As you cross 
the line the transponder makes a number of hits: weaker as you approach/depart, 
strongest as you pass directly over. It triangulates on the signal strength 
coming and going to find the exact millisecond you are centered over the loop. 
Ideally there should be an uninterrupted cone of vision from the transponder 
bottom to the asphalt. AMB tells you the maximum height is 2 feet. But they do 
not tell you there is a also practical minimum height of around 9-12 inches: too 

small a cone of signal means too few hits to accurately position you. That means 

don't do the obvious and mount it on the frame. This generates a weak-signal 
warning to the T&S system and you will likely get a love note at pit in to 
change it. (Been there, done that.) Mid-height inside the wheel well is AMB's 
suggestion, but outside the front valance works great too and provides easier 
access for removal.

Hope this helps,
Gary Schneider






________________________________
From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 2:57:10 PM
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions

I am about to install.

What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
transponder?

Any caveats?

Orientation?

Thanks!

Joe
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From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Aug 10 18:32:11 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:32:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TRANSPONDER location - frame works ok
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com><92649.1457.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<EC0D7290-D06D-46DC-8685-2A764FAD0EF3@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <AF3579BEE4E8489EAD3E990A9AB7B982@Bud>

Unfortunately there have been so many people cheating/tampering with 
transponders that effective 2011 SCCA is requiring that they be mounted on 
the driver's helmet..
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
To: "Gary Schneider" <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: <n197tr4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TRANSPONDER location - frame works ok


>I have mine mounted on the frame rail, center about 8" above grade,
> and had no troubles.
>
> On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Gary Schneider wrote:
>
> Joe,
> An important point is that the transponder needs to see the track not
> only
> straight down but also forward and back by at least a few inches. As
> you cross
> the line the transponder makes a number of hits: weaker as you
> approach/depart,
> strongest as you pass directly over. It triangulates on the signal
> strength
> coming and going to find the exact millisecond you are centered over
> the loop.
> Ideally there should be an uninterrupted cone of vision from the
> transponder
> bottom to the asphalt. AMB tells you the maximum height is 2 feet. But
> they do
> not tell you there is a also practical minimum height of around 9-12
> inches: too
> small a cone of signal means too few hits to accurately position you.
> That means
> don't do the obvious and mount it on the frame. This generates a weak-
> signal
> warning to the T&S system and you will likely get a love note at pit
> in to
> change it. (Been there, done that.) Mid-height inside the wheel well
> is AMB's
> suggestion, but outside the front valance works great too and provides
> easier
> access for removal.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Gary Schneider
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 2:57:10 PM
> Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
>
> I am about to install.
>
> What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
> transponder?
>
> Any caveats?
>
> Orientation?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 10 18:33:18 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:33:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Christian Marx' new CRANK SEAL .... AN FOT
 UPDATE....components to be seen at TOPEKA.
Message-ID: <8CD0703EDCB598A-1E78-4F50@webmail-d028.sysops.aol.com>

OEM SCROLL SEALS: Due to the generous FOT response in supplying seed units for
modified scroll seals, I have 10 scroll seals in process today and will bring
units to Topeka next week. I had tooling produced to fixture these scroll
seals for modification and plan to provide as an exchange item for matched
sets received.  Est. $30 exchange

SEAL HOUSING CENTERING TOOL: Several scroll seals were measured by various
individuals and we came to the conclusion that this dimension is different
than the published dimension in the Factory Manual. Kas' new book discusses
the scroll seal and the dimensions published reflect our findings. Our new
Centering Tools are work in process this week. I will bring those to Topeka.
(This Centering Tool will work in assembly of the stock or modified scroll
seals) Est. $25 Retail

VITON CRANK SEAL: Chris' 2nd Production Run of 50 seals has been delayed
several days and will not make it to Topeka. There are a number of these seals
installed from an initial production run of (50?) One of these was installed
by Steve Yott of ISOA and well documented by ISOA's Bob Streepy as a
comprehensive article for the VTR magazine to be published in the fall.  Est.
Seal Cost  $62-66 depending on exchange rates.....this is a pass through from
Chris to you.

Viton seals are used in high heat, high duty cycle applications. It is my
understanding that the alternative seal is a Land Rover component and is not a
VITON seal.  Chris' new seal design also avoids the cost and time of grinding
the scroll characteristics from the crankshaft. Therefore, the original scroll
functionality remains in place while being backed up by the Viton Seal.

DISTRIBUTION: ARE will distribute in North America as individual components or
in kit form.  We should be ready to ship seal kits and components in less than
30 days.   Est. $125 Retail Kit

Thanks to all who participated in this project. None of us do this stuff
alone. Chris did the thoughtful engineering work on the seal design. ARE just
provided support and encouragement.

Be on the look out for Kas' new book in the fall. There is an entire chapter
on the subject of oil leaks and ventilation in our wet sleeve engines and how
to prevent them.

Kas' next book promises to deliver....whadda legacy we have for our Triumphs.
But you have to do more than look at the pictures. You have to read, too.  :-)
Kas says so.

Chris and Joe


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 10 18:41:56 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:41:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
In-Reply-To: <005301cb38e8$1a9dd2f0$2101a8c0@userge6zixcg5r>
References: <6a1a5.3e8fbc18.39932e04@cs.com>
	<005301cb38e8$1a9dd2f0$2101a8c0@userge6zixcg5r>
Message-ID: <8CD0705221CB4D6-1E78-50E8@webmail-d028.sysops.aol.com>

Since SAM HALKIAS is in my group (and class) at TOPEKA my transponder will be
on his TR6.

This all begs for answers to compelling questions at Topeka

WHO IS FASTER THAN SAM HALKIAS?

WHO WILL HAVE THE FASTEST TR4 IN NORTH AMERICA ON THIS WEEKEND?








-----Original Message-----
From: William Dewar <pcdelux at verizon.net>
To: N197TR4 at cs.com; budscars at comcast.net; colordog.1 at earthlink.net
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:58 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions


Joe,

If you stick it on Peyote remember it's aluminum. Probably need Gorilla glue.
Just make sure it is slightly forward of Peyote's real one.

Bill D
NJTA
----- Original Message ----- From: <N197TR4 at cs.com>
To: <budscars at comcast.net>; <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions

> It is good to see the FOT alive and well and playing well with each other
> on the list.
>
> The responses actually helped me identify a premium location on the AMBRO.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------
> Looking forward to the FOT gathering next week. Kas leaves on Monday for
> Wednesday arrival with the Coveted Kastner Cup. Many will be there by
> Wednesday night with everyone in place by Thursday.
>
> The forecast is a 10-15 degree trend in declining temperatures.
> Probabilities would indicate this after a sustained heat wave.
>
> More later, Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>> Good Idea Steve...that prompted a plan....Since it's not hard wired...put
>> a
>> magnet on it, and casually walk through the pits and stick it on any car
>> that you think will be a runaway winner..
>> RB
>>
>
> </HTML>
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>
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From rjl at gt-classics.com  Tue Aug 10 19:47:51 2010
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:47:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TRANSPONDER location - frame works ok
In-Reply-To: <542905.93558.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
	<92649.1457.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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	<542905.93558.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F6.20.20721.151026C4@smtp04.embarq.synacor.com>

I had one on my FF (hard wired, though, but that shouldn't
make a difference?) that was only about 3 inches above the
ground.  I never had a problem with it, and it was even inside
the nose cone so it had to penetrate a layer of fiberglass.

John

At 08:29 PM 8/10/2010, Gary Schneider wrote:
>Scott,
>Sounds like 8" is still in the workable range then. We had trouble 
>in the 4-6"
>area on two different cars. If there's ever any question, your T&S folks can
>tell you how many hits they get from each transponder.
>Thanks and regards,
>Gary
>To: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
>Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net
>Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 6:55:23 PM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] TRANSPONDER location - frame works ok
>
>I have mine mounted on the frame rail, center about 8" above grade, 
>and had no
>troubles.
>
>
>On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Gary Schneider wrote:
>
>Joe,
>An important point is that the transponder needs to see the track not only
>straight down but also forward and back by at least a few inches. As 
>you cross
>the line the transponder makes a number of hits: weaker as you 
>approach/depart,
>strongest as you pass directly over. It triangulates on the signal strength
>coming and going to find the exact millisecond you are centered over 
>the loop.
>Ideally there should be an uninterrupted cone of vision from the transponder
>bottom to the asphalt. AMB tells you the maximum height is 2 feet. 
>But they do
>not tell you there is a also practical minimum height of around 9-12 
>inches: too
>
>small a cone of signal means too few hits to accurately position 
>you. That means
>
>don't do the obvious and mount it on the frame. This generates a weak-signal
>warning to the T&S system and you will likely get a love note at pit in to
>change it. (Been there, done that.) Mid-height inside the wheel well is AMB's
>suggestion, but outside the front valance works great too and provides easier
>access for removal.
>
>Hope this helps,
>Gary Schneider
>
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 2:57:10 PM
>Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
>
>I am about to install.
>
>What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
>transponder?
>
>Any caveats?
>
>Orientation?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Joe
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Thanks,
R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net 


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Tue Aug 10 20:48:38 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:48:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
Message-ID: <CC7343A3-5107-44EF-9572-AB095A92ED65@comcast.net>

I'm contemplating suspension changes to reduce the overall understeer  
tendency of my car, and am interested in hearing what set-ups other  
GT6 racers are running.  I think I want to reduce roll at the rear,  
either through a stiffer rear bar and/or spring.  The rear has a 5/8"  
bar on it, spring of unknown specs, and a 1" front bar and 550 lb  
springs.

I'm particularly interested in what, if any, rear bar you are running  
and how it is mounted to the body/frame, and the rear spring specs. 


From jason at multivintage.com  Wed Aug 11 00:12:56 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 01:12:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <BAY138-W10FCDFE03AAF5D91FE5BF6C1940@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY138-W19180B570EF497E2C8C423C1920@phx.gbl>
	<AANLkTimX1CzRnaAe0sqQAXiEXXhh9HLy2CPrYH94_+Hc@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY138-W10FCDFE03AAF5D91FE5BF6C1940@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinB1vk1jzAP+PDS+-ix5TZtr-8MOuD7gHzG3R8D@mail.gmail.com>

Funny Thing About All This Rear Seal Talk and Discussion which sent Steve
out to his garage fabricating parts... Turns out my real leak was coming
from the the trans... I pulled the tunnel cover off last night to find the
entire top cover extension virtually hanging in the breeze...two bolts
totally gone, one dowel missing and two studs just kind of hanging on for
dear life and the gasket laying there looking at me from the frame rails.
The thing was hanging there just dangling and mostly being supported by a
custom bracket I have coming off of the bell housing and  the rubber gear
shift sleeve.. Whoops. I drove it like that for about 50 laps...it was
leaking and getting worse for the entire weekend at Gratten... I was having
so much fun I didn't notice except the oil that was pooling at my feet...
which I thought was coming from a leaking rear seal.

Will I make it to the Kastner Cup?
Jason, Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 4:16 PM, f s <whitedog72 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jason,
>  Definately change it out as soon as possible. It is not only what you do
> to your engine but what the guy behind you has to deal with as you spray
> bits of oil on his windscreen. It is not too bad to replace. Just pull the
> tranny, clutch, flywheel and engine back plate to gain access.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:26:48 -0500
>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear engine seal on Spitfire
> From: jason at multivintage.com
> To: whitedog72 at hotmail.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
>
>
> I am having the same problem on my gt6. Mine may be just old and in need of
> replacement. In my last weekend out I was loosing about a half quart per
> session. My question about this is do I have to pull the whole motor or can
> the seal be replaced by just removing the trans and doing it from the
> inside? Will I do damage to things like the clutch If I try to race again
> before doing so?
>
> thanks for any advice for doing this job right and still racing soon.
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:04 PM, f s <whitedog72 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Need some advice,
>
>  I just put an engine together. 100% new seals and gaskets. Everything is
> great accept the rear main seal is leaking alot. I have put alot of these
> together and never had this problem before. I have taken it back apart and
> it
> looks centered and no damage. I also made sure the all the bolts were good
> and
> that areas that needed copper flat washers were correct. Any ideas from the
> group? I am baffled and have a big mess. ;o(
>
> Thanks
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Aug 11 00:53:08 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 08:53:08 +0200
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
In-Reply-To: <CC7343A3-5107-44EF-9572-AB095A92ED65@comcast.net>
References: <CC7343A3-5107-44EF-9572-AB095A92ED65@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000001cb3921$ddf424a0$99dc6de0$@com>

If you have understeer then your front end is the weak spot to work at.
Try to get more front end grip before you sacrifice back end grip.
More camber, different tire pressure, softer sway bar, more or less toe in,
weight distribution to the rear.

Cheers
Chris

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Auftrag von Scott Janzen
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. August 2010 04:49
An: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up

I'm contemplating suspension changes to reduce the overall understeer
tendency of my car, and am interested in hearing what set-ups other
GT6 racers are running.  I think I want to reduce roll at the rear,
either through a stiffer rear bar and/or spring.  The rear has a 5/8"
bar on it, spring of unknown specs, and a 1" front bar and 550 lb
springs.

I'm particularly interested in what, if any, rear bar you are running
and how it is mounted to the body/frame, and the rear spring specs.
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From tr6driver at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 11 06:31:46 2010
From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 05:31:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
In-Reply-To: <6a1a5.3e8fbc18.39932e04@cs.com>
References: <6a1a5.3e8fbc18.39932e04@cs.com>
Message-ID: <580602.4036.qm@web52507.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Agreed...the discussion has helped us locate the transponder on our TR6
ChumpCar...first races coming up quickly (Aug 21 & 22 7-hour runs at Roebling
Road)!

Jamie




________________________________
From: "N197TR4 at cs.com"
<N197TR4 at cs.com>
To: budscars at comcast.net; colordog.1 at earthlink.net
Cc:
fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 6:34:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot]
AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions

It is good to see the FOT alive and
well and playing well with each other 
on the list.

The responses actually
helped me identify a premium location on the AMBRO.
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Looking forward to the FOT gathering
next week. Kas leaves on Monday for 
Wednesday arrival with the Coveted
Kastner Cup.  Many will be there by 
Wednesday night with everyone in place by
Thursday.

The forecast is a 10-15 degree trend in declining temperatures.
Probabilities would indicate this after a sustained heat wave. 

More later, 
Joe





> Good Idea Steve...that prompted a plan....Since it's not hard
wired...put 
> a 
> magnet on it, and casually walk through the pits and stick
it on any car 
> that you think will be a runaway winner..
> RB
> 

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Aug 11 07:54:00 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:54:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Quick Rack Query
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008110950580.11465@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I installed a Moss quick-ration steering rack a few years back. I love it, 
it's a great upgrade and I should have done it a long time ago.

At any rate, the contruction of the rack is a tad different then the stock 
piece - here's the question: is the lubrication servicing for this rack 
the same as the factory piece?

Yours in alliteration.
rml
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From jason at multivintage.com  Wed Aug 11 08:16:40 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:16:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
In-Reply-To: <000001cb3921$ddf424a0$99dc6de0$@com>
References: <CC7343A3-5107-44EF-9572-AB095A92ED65@comcast.net>
	<000001cb3921$ddf424a0$99dc6de0$@com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=22-7hikyk0jnqtsoJEy9-3dkfWpts1a63dUQt@mail.gmail.com>

 The nicely prepared gt6 race cars in the midwest have concentrated on
beefing up rear axles and hubs, flat and heavy rear springs, and stiff
shocks. The fastest has a bar mine has no bar... but seems to work fine.
Less movement of all parts in general proves to be better. Stiffness steps
in the back should allow lateral movement to be modulated by the throttle
pedal. I would assume your car has good stuff at the rear and might agree
with chris that your front end grip may be more important.

Side note... we use hoosier street T.D.'s and although quite expensive and
not long lasting (half a season for the fronts) These tires stick both at
the front and rear and should put the car wherever you want to go.

Jason
Friendly Ghost Racing
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 1:53 AM, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> If you have understeer then your front end is the weak spot to work at.
> Try to get more front end grip before you sacrifice back end grip.
> More camber, different tire pressure, softer sway bar, more or less toe in,
> weight distribution to the rear.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Scott Janzen
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. August 2010 04:49
> An: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
> Betreff: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
>
> I'm contemplating suspension changes to reduce the overall understeer
> tendency of my car, and am interested in hearing what set-ups other
> GT6 racers are running.  I think I want to reduce roll at the rear,
> either through a stiffer rear bar and/or spring.  The rear has a 5/8"
> bar on it, spring of unknown specs, and a 1" front bar and 550 lb
> springs.
>
> I'm particularly interested in what, if any, rear bar you are running
> and how it is mounted to the body/frame, and the rear spring specs.
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Aug 11 08:26:41 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:26:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
In-Reply-To: <000001cb3921$ddf424a0$99dc6de0$@com>
Message-ID: <1987808763.940815.1281536801931.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I think Chris said it, you have a lot of sway bar up front, I'd start with
that.

You have a pretty low roll center in a GT6. It seems the only way to make a

1" sway bar work well on a GT6 is with fairly massive tires, but I could be
wrong.

Set the camber with tire temps and once you get the front to bite then you

can balance front & rear. A little toe out made a big difference in the TR4 on
turn in.



Jim G




----- Original Message -----
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>, "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph"
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:53:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up

If you have understeer then your front end is the weak spot to work at.
Try to get more front end grip before you sacrifice back end grip.
More camber, different tire pressure, softer sway bar, more or less toe in,
weight distribution to the rear.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Scott Janzen
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. August 2010 04:49
An: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up

I'm contemplating suspension changes to reduce the overall understeer
tendency of my car, and am interested in hearing what set-ups other
GT6 racers are running. B I think I want to reduce roll at the rear,
either through a stiffer rear bar and/or spring. B The rear has a 5/8"
bar on it, spring of unknown specs, and a 1" front bar and 550 lb
springs.

I'm particularly interested in what, if any, rear bar you are running
and how it is mounted to the body/frame, and the rear spring specs.
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From jason at multivintage.com  Wed Aug 11 09:25:29 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:25:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
In-Reply-To: <7e48d9521095a1e2f0318fdce1bc1a5a.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
References: <CC7343A3-5107-44EF-9572-AB095A92ED65@comcast.net>
	<000001cb3921$ddf424a0$99dc6de0$@com>
	<AANLkTi=22-7hikyk0jnqtsoJEy9-3dkfWpts1a63dUQt@mail.gmail.com>
	<7e48d9521095a1e2f0318fdce1bc1a5a.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikpdX+1siASf6tSk8tNLC70aRH-74QBF6UBbYGs@mail.gmail.com>

Yep, I can remember several instances In the long ago past where we used to
walk the paddock after a big SCCA weekend at Road America looking for "used"
FF tires to use on our Club Raced Spitfires and Gt6's... That still had
plenty of life left in them to run up front in a Triumph in Midwestern
Council.

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:53 AM, <rjl6n at cstone.net> wrote:

> Hi Jason,
>
> On Wed, August 11, 2010 10:16 am, Jason Ostrowski wrote:
> > we use hoosier street T.D.'s and although quite expensive and
> > not long lasting (half a season for the fronts)
>
> I had to chuckle when I read that.  I guess its all relative!
> I was lucky to get two race weekends out of a set of tires
> on my FF.  If I wanted to stay at the front, I needed fresh
> tires every weekend.
>
> Thanks,
> John


From jason at multivintage.com  Wed Aug 11 09:38:52 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:38:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikpdX+1siASf6tSk8tNLC70aRH-74QBF6UBbYGs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CC7343A3-5107-44EF-9572-AB095A92ED65@comcast.net>
	<000001cb3921$ddf424a0$99dc6de0$@com>
	<AANLkTi=22-7hikyk0jnqtsoJEy9-3dkfWpts1a63dUQt@mail.gmail.com>
	<7e48d9521095a1e2f0318fdce1bc1a5a.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
	<AANLkTikpdX+1siASf6tSk8tNLC70aRH-74QBF6UBbYGs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinifFQ3T967VCa_WLs7GxmVwpRdkm58bn35uALj@mail.gmail.com>

All,
Another memory from my childhood Triumph dreams from the paddock that
concern rear suspension... You could almost tell who the fast Triumphs were
going to be by looking at the way the car sat on the jack stands. The cars
whose rear wheels and axles were flat and still nicely tucked under the
fenders were going to fly. The ones that sagged to the grass...well not so
much. When I was looking to buy a car I wanted one that when you jacked up
rear... the wheels went up too!

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>wrote:

> Yep, I can remember several instances In the long ago past where we used to
> walk the paddock after a big SCCA weekend at Road America looking for "used"
> FF tires to use on our Club Raced Spitfires and Gt6's... That still had
> plenty of life left in them to run up front in a Triumph in Midwestern
> Council.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:53 AM, <rjl6n at cstone.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jason,
>>
>> On Wed, August 11, 2010 10:16 am, Jason Ostrowski wrote:
>> > we use hoosier street T.D.'s and although quite expensive and
>> > not long lasting (half a season for the fronts)
>>
>> I had to chuckle when I read that.  I guess its all relative!
>> I was lucky to get two race weekends out of a set of tires
>> on my FF.  If I wanted to stay at the front, I needed fresh
>> tires every weekend.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John


From cofrog at q.com  Wed Aug 11 09:40:43 2010
From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:40:43 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Hoosier Speedster 205-60-15
Message-ID: <SNT140-w577EEBCA44D11A360461BED4960@phx.gbl>

If anyone going to Topeka has a Hoosier Speedster 205-60-15 with some life
left in it they want to get rid of I need one to go with the three I have to
complete a spare set of tires, I would be interested.  I'll be in the black
#144 TR4.

Thanks,

Dan Forgey


From andre at gt6.ca  Wed Aug 11 10:07:28 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:07:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinifFQ3T967VCa_WLs7GxmVwpRdkm58bn35uALj@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CC7343A3-5107-44EF-9572-AB095A92ED65@comcast.net>
	<000001cb3921$ddf424a0$99dc6de0$@com>
	<AANLkTi=22-7hikyk0jnqtsoJEy9-3dkfWpts1a63dUQt@mail.gmail.com>
	<7e48d9521095a1e2f0318fdce1bc1a5a.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
	<AANLkTikpdX+1siASf6tSk8tNLC70aRH-74QBF6UBbYGs@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinifFQ3T967VCa_WLs7GxmVwpRdkm58bn35uALj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimGnX4iqr1uUouhxmX-b9QpFtV5hi0td1GX9Mgr@mail.gmail.com>

A little rear camber?

http://andrerousseau.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/img_3685.jpg
http://andrerousseau.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/img_3687.jpg

A.

On 11 August 2010 11:38, Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com> wrote:
> All,
> Another memory from my childhood Triumph dreams from the paddock that
> concern rear suspension... You could almost tell who the fast Triumphs were
> going to be by looking at the way the car sat on the jack stands. The cars
> whose rear wheels and axles were flat and still nicely tucked under the
> fenders were going to fly. The ones that sagged to the grass...well not so
> much. When I was looking to buy a car I wanted one that when you jacked up
> rear... the wheels went up too!
>
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Jason Ostrowski
<jason at multivintage.com>wrote:
>
>> Yep, I can remember several instances In the long ago past where we used
to
>> walk the paddock after a big SCCA weekend at Road America looking for
"used"
>> FF tires to use on our Club Raced Spitfires and Gt6's... That still had
>> plenty of life left in them to run up front in a Triumph in Midwestern
>> Council.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:53 AM, <rjl6n at cstone.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jason,
>>>
>>> On Wed, August 11, 2010 10:16 am, Jason Ostrowski wrote:
>>> > we use hoosier street T.D.'s and although quite expensive and
>>> > not long lasting (half a season for the fronts)
>>>
>>> I had to chuckle when I read that.  I guess its all relative!
>>> I was lucky to get two race weekends out of a set of tires
>>> on my FF.  If I wanted to stay at the front, I needed fresh
>>> tires every weekend.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> John
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Wed Aug 11 10:40:23 2010
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:40:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH TR7V8 GP4 Rally Car on Ebay
Message-ID: <4C62D277.5090504@greenheart.com>

  TRIUMPH TR7V8 GP4 Rally Car BLUE


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220647471480


From markvaden at gmail.com  Wed Aug 11 11:27:07 2010
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:27:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
In-Reply-To: <67E902AE-49D7-4CFC-815F-167B1A768DD0@earthlink.net>
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
	<67E902AE-49D7-4CFC-815F-167B1A768DD0@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikUX3daZJhE7=nyfnOmDKi6hbS=g54PkPKsc1Mi@mail.gmail.com>

Here is a video that explains why Steve is constructing a retractable rod.

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=ox316Add_kk

When my wife saw this - she responded "every inch matters".

-Mark

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>wrote:

> Mount it onto a retractable rod that can shoot forward at the start/finish
> line if necessary. :)
>
> ~Steve
>
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2010, at 12:57 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
>
> I am about to install.
>
> What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
> transponder?
>
> Any caveats?
>
> Orientation?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe
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From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Aug 11 13:16:57 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:16:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimGnX4iqr1uUouhxmX-b9QpFtV5hi0td1GX9Mgr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100811151657.N5M7C.403856.imail@fed1rmwml34>

Swing axle cars have different problems.
---- Andre Rousseau <andre at gt6.ca> wrote: 

=============
A little rear camber?

http://andrerousseau.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/img_3685.jpg
http://andrerousseau.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/img_3687.jpg

A.

On 11 August 2010 11:38, Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com> wrote:
> All,
> Another memory from my childhood Triumph dreams from the paddock that
> concern rear suspension... You could almost tell who the fast Triumphs were
> going to be by looking at the way the car sat on the jack stands. The cars
> whose rear wheels and axles were flat and still nicely tucked under the
> fenders were going to fly. The ones that sagged to the grass...well not so
> much. When I was looking to buy a car I wanted one that when you jacked up
> rear... the wheels went up too!
>
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Jason Ostrowski
<jason at multivintage.com>wrote:
>
>> Yep, I can remember several instances In the long ago past where we used
to
>> walk the paddock after a big SCCA weekend at Road America looking for
"used"
>> FF tires to use on our Club Raced Spitfires and Gt6's... That still had
>> plenty of life left in them to run up front in a Triumph in Midwestern
>> Council.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:53 AM, <rjl6n at cstone.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jason,
>>>
>>> On Wed, August 11, 2010 10:16 am, Jason Ostrowski wrote:
>>> > we use hoosier street T.D.'s and although quite expensive and
>>> > not long lasting (half a season for the fronts)
>>>
>>> I had to chuckle when I read that.  I guess its all relative!
>>> I was lucky to get two race weekends out of a set of tires
>>> on my FF.  If I wanted to stay at the front, I needed fresh
>>> tires every weekend.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> John
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From markvaden at gmail.com  Wed Aug 11 14:34:28 2010
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:34:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikUX3daZJhE7=nyfnOmDKi6hbS=g54PkPKsc1Mi@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8CD06DD5AA9AE52-7B0-931@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com>
	<67E902AE-49D7-4CFC-815F-167B1A768DD0@earthlink.net>
	<AANLkTikUX3daZJhE7=nyfnOmDKi6hbS=g54PkPKsc1Mi@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim6LxST7ATE1Ndsn8d5ZxtZMXxjYQ_=NmXW42FY@mail.gmail.com>

Steve was nice  enough to point out that I had the wrong link: here is the
correct one:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox316Add_kk

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Mark Vaden <markvaden at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here is a video that explains why Steve is constructing a retractable rod.
>
>
> http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=ox316Add_kk
>
> When my wife saw this - she responded "every inch matters".
>
> -Mark
>
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>wrote:
>
>> Mount it onto a retractable rod that can shoot forward at the start/finish
>> line if necessary. :)
>>
>> ~Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2010, at 12:57 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
>>
>> I am about to install.
>>
>> What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the
>> transponder?
>>
>> Any caveats?
>>
>> Orientation?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Joe
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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From dave at microworks.net  Wed Aug 11 14:57:18 2010
From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:57:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW: [DCTRA] August 2010 Newsletter
Message-ID: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF034FFE@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local>

On page 8-10 of the current issue of our newsletter is a cool Voltage Stabilizer conversion one of our members came up with

 

 

http://www.dctra.org/News/Aug2010.pdf


From cofrog at q.com  Wed Aug 11 15:03:25 2010
From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 21:03:25 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Hoosier Speedster 205-60-15
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087E13D3FE@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
References: <SNT140-w577EEBCA44D11A360461BED4960@phx.gbl>,
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087E13D3FE@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <SNT140-w320E5B2CB1CA59D2270723D4960@phx.gbl>

Bob,

Thanks a bunch.  I was left with trying to obtain one or get rid of three!
See you in temperate Topeka!

Dan

> From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com
> To: cofrog at q.com
> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:40:47 -0500
> Subject: RE: [Fot] Hoosier Speedster 205-60-15
>
> I think I have one to spare. I'll bring it.
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sales Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35
> Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-272-4141 Office
> 512-657-8526 Cell
> Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
> ~Mac Anderson
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Dan Forgey
> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 10:41 AM
> To: triumph fot
> Subject: [Fot] Hoosier Speedster 205-60-15
>
> If anyone going to Topeka has a Hoosier Speedster 205-60-15 with some life
> left in it they want to get rid of I need one to go with the three I have
to
> complete a spare set of tires, I would be interested. I'll be in the black
> #144 TR4.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan Forgey
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Aug 11 16:10:48 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:10:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW: [DCTRA] August 2010 Newsletter
In-Reply-To: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF034FFE@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local>
References: <3DB6C5328308AC47A37CAFE910D3CECF034FFE@enigma.EnigmaGroup.local>
Message-ID: <071b01cb39a2$0e8d5660$2ba80320$@rr.com>

> On page 8-10 of the current issue of our newsletter is a cool Voltage
> Stabilizer conversion one of our members came up with

Nice article, thanks Dave & Jim.  A few comments, though:

1) The NTE 1932 regulator is rated for a 2 volt dropout (typical), meaning
it can no longer supply a regulated 10 volts if the input voltage drops
below 12 volts.  Since this would be a fairly common occurrence for most
Triumphs after, say, sitting at a stop light for an extended period, I feel
that a "low dropout" regulator like the NTE 1953 is more appropriate.  The
NTE 1953 is rated for a 0.5 volt (typical) dropout, meaning it can supply 10
volts with an input as low as 10.5 volts.  My local electronics store had
them for $3 each (although Fry's didn't).

2) There are a few minor typos in the article, eg the NTE 1932 is rated for
10.0 volts output at 1 amp; not 10.6 volts at 3 amps.

3) I recently did a similar conversion myself, but took Dan Masters'
suggestion of incorporating an LED that shows when the device has power and
ground.  I also found that the NTE 1953 at least, had a tendency to
oscillate (spoiling the regulated output), so I also incorporated a 0.1
microfarad tantalum capacitor on the input.  Sorry, no pictures, but I'll
take some next time.

4) It would be interesting to see data on how this conversion actually
"improves accuracy and consistency".  At the very least, it seems to me that
it will _increase_ the gauge rise time after the key is turned on, since the
factory "voltage stabilizer" supplies full battery voltage for the first few
seconds, instead of only 10.0 volts.  Also, since the gauges are also
thermal devices (and hence affected by temperature), the factory thermal VS
may provide for more consistent readings over a range of ambient
temperature.

But in my case, both of the VS in my parts bin were kaput, so doing the
conversion was the quick way to getting back on the road with an early TR4
temperature gauge in place of the failed aftermarket gauge on my TR3.

-- Randall 


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 11 16:30:30 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:30:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TOPEKA    FOT   PRODUCT DISPLAY   AUTOJUMBLE
Message-ID: <8CD07BBF06DEBEA-1F10-398E@webmail-d056.sysops.aol.com>

LIST:

I rented two vendor spaces for displaying a variety of 'stuff'.

10  x  40

My offer still stands to share this space for anyone else who wants to sell
used or new parts or display their products.

If need be, I'll rent more space..................................

You just need to be responsible for tagging and displaying your own stuff.

I am planning for:

Tony Drews
Christian Marx
Ed Barnard
A.R.E.
Dio Cars
Advanced Distributors  (invited and hoping to come)

Not exactly SEMA but adds to the experience of this great weekend.  Ed has got
some new cool stuff he is working with Richard Good on.
Jeff Schlemmer of Advanced Distributors will be invaluable to all of us,
hanging out in the paddock with us.

Joe Alexander


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Wed Aug 11 18:45:49 2010
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:45:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <B3EE405E211E44B2B588D1F485676D7E@ComputerPC>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com><4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net><000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com><4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net>
	<4C5DBB6D.20807@blacksburg.net><000c01cb36dc$b3862890$1a9279b0$@com>
	<4C606A0A.90106@pobox.com><4C6091EB.6070100@pobox.com>
	<000601cb3859$131bb9a0$39532ce0$@com>
	<B3EE405E211E44B2B588D1F485676D7E@ComputerPC>
Message-ID: <4C63443D.4000800@blacksburg.net>

On 8/10/2010 7:11 PM, Stutzman wrote:
> Do any listers have actual experience using this head gasket?
> Bruce
Yup.  I bought the gasket on Uncle Jack's recommendation and have been 
very pleased with the results.  I believe Jack said he had used them for 
years, but don't recall.  Tony?

Chris, the 0.043 inch dimension is uncompressed, but I don't believe it 
gives much.

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From whitedog72 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 11 19:34:32 2010
From: whitedog72 at hotmail.com (f s)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:34:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinifFQ3T967VCa_WLs7GxmVwpRdkm58bn35uALj@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CC7343A3-5107-44EF-9572-AB095A92ED65@comcast.net>,
	<000001cb3921$ddf424a0$99dc6de0$@com>,
	<AANLkTi=22-7hikyk0jnqtsoJEy9-3dkfWpts1a63dUQt@mail.gmail.com>,
	<7e48d9521095a1e2f0318fdce1bc1a5a.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>,
	<AANLkTikpdX+1siASf6tSk8tNLC70aRH-74QBF6UBbYGs@mail.gmail.com>,
	<AANLkTinifFQ3T967VCa_WLs7GxmVwpRdkm58bn35uALj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY138-W1583CA04F96472CFB0C32FC1970@phx.gbl>

Have any of you tried a very flat rear spring that is a bit longer than stock.
I did it and my car sits really low but the wheels do not have excessive
chamber due to the longer spring pushing the top of the wheels out. I thought
the car felt pretty good in the rear the last time I ran it. Unfortunately I
only had one run on this idea before I took a break to put my boy through
college.

> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:38:52 -0500
> From: jason at multivintage.com
> To: rjl6n at cstone.net
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
>
> All,
> Another memory from my childhood Triumph dreams from the paddock that
> concern rear suspension... You could almost tell who the fast Triumphs were
> going to be by looking at the way the car sat on the jack stands. The cars
> whose rear wheels and axles were flat and still nicely tucked under the
> fenders were going to fly. The ones that sagged to the grass...well not so
> much. When I was looking to buy a car I wanted one that when you jacked up
> rear... the wheels went up too!
>
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Jason Ostrowski
<jason at multivintage.com>wrote:
>
> > Yep, I can remember several instances In the long ago past where we used
to
> > walk the paddock after a big SCCA weekend at Road America looking for
"used"
> > FF tires to use on our Club Raced Spitfires and Gt6's... That still had
> > plenty of life left in them to run up front in a Triumph in Midwestern
> > Council.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:53 AM, <rjl6n at cstone.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Jason,
> >>
> >> On Wed, August 11, 2010 10:16 am, Jason Ostrowski wrote:
> >> > we use hoosier street T.D.'s and although quite expensive and
> >> > not long lasting (half a season for the fronts)
> >>
> >> I had to chuckle when I read that. I guess its all relative!
> >> I was lucky to get two race weekends out of a set of tires
> >> on my FF. If I wanted to stay at the front, I needed fresh
> >> tires every weekend.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> John
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 11 20:21:24 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:21:24 -0600
Subject: [Fot] T-Shirt order confirmation
Message-ID: <DB11CBA5-0BE4-4F2C-91FF-6981271EB587@earthlink.net>

Sorry to bomb the list again, but...
Confirmations have been sent to all who ordered. If you have ordered  
but have not got anything from me, it means I haven't received your  
payment or have made a mistake regarding your order. No need to reply  
but if you ordered a shirt and have not received confirmation, please  
let me know.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM


From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 11 22:00:26 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 21:00:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] T-Shirt order confirmation
In-Reply-To: <DB11CBA5-0BE4-4F2C-91FF-6981271EB587@earthlink.net>
References: <DB11CBA5-0BE4-4F2C-91FF-6981271EB587@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <695960.3105.qm@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

thanks to Greg for taking this on!!!!

Mike Mehl




________________________________
From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
To: fot Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 7:21:24 PM
Subject: [Fot] T-Shirt order confirmation

Sorry to bomb the list again, but...
Confirmations have been sent to all who ordered. If you have ordered but have 
not got anything from me, it means I haven't received your payment or have made 
a mistake regarding your order. No need to reply but if you ordered a shirt and 
have not received confirmation, please let me know.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Aug 12 00:45:03 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 01:45:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Cometic TR3 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <4C63443D.4000800@blacksburg.net>
References: <20100805.214731.358.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
	<4C5BF33F.1090401@blacksburg.net>
	<000a01cb355f$02b4f510$081edf30$@com>
	<4C5D77AA.3050102@blacksburg.net> <4C5DBB6D.20807@blacksburg.net>
	<000c01cb36dc$b3862890$1a9279b0$@com> <4C606A0A.90106@pobox.com>
	<4C6091EB.6070100@pobox.com> <000601cb3859$131bb9a0$39532ce0$@com>
	<B3EE405E211E44B2B588D1F485676D7E@ComputerPC>
	<4C63443D.4000800@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <20100812064420.9A7A1187669@autox.team.net>

Jack had just started working with them but was pretty excited about 
them.  They seemed like they might be somewhat forgiving like a stock 
composite gasket but with better longevity.  I think that was 
probably one of the next projects on his agenda...

I should try one on my next winter rebuild.

- Tony

At 07:45 PM 8/11/2010, J.C. Hassall wrote:
>On 8/10/2010 7:11 PM, Stutzman wrote:
>>Do any listers have actual experience using this head gasket?
>>Bruce
>Yup.  I bought the gasket on Uncle Jack's recommendation and have 
>been very pleased with the results.  I believe Jack said he had used 
>them for years, but don't recall.  Tony?
>
>Chris, the 0.043 inch dimension is uncompressed, but I don't believe 
>it gives much.
>
>jim
>
>--
>Jim Hassall
>Blacksburg VA
>'63 TR4 in autox preparation
>99% finished, 90% to go
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Aug 12 07:04:16 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 09:04:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] T-Shirt order confirmation
In-Reply-To: <695960.3105.qm@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <DB11CBA5-0BE4-4F2C-91FF-6981271EB587@earthlink.net>
	<695960.3105.qm@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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AMEN!

It's always a bigger job than planned.

Thanks Greg!






-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>; fot Triumph
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] T-Shirt order confirmation


thanks to Greg for taking this on!!!!
Mike Mehl


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ent: Wed, August 11, 2010 7:21:24 PM
ubject: [Fot] T-Shirt order confirmation
Sorry to bomb the list again, but...
onfirmations have been sent to all who ordered. If you have ordered but have
ot got anything from me, it means I haven't received your payment or have made
 mistake regarding your order. No need to reply but if you ordered a shirt and
ave not received confirmation, please let me know.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
R4 #314
lbuquerque NM
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Aug 12 11:05:22 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:05:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND VINTAGE
 GRAND PRIX
Message-ID: <8CD0857AF3CB057-1494-89E9@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com>

TRIUMPH list:

Mark Bradakis will be our guest at the HVGP in TOPEKA next week.

Mark has made a MAJOR contribution to our hobby and we appreciate this..

If you come to Heartland Park next weekend, please stop in at the FRIENDS OF
TRIUMPH PADDOCK AREA and meet Mark Bradakis.

He will be hanging out with Kas Kastner and other cool people.

Also, if you are a VTR member or associated with the FOT, you are eligible for
a high quality event poster sponsored by the VTR and it's Pesident, Blake
Discher.

Joe A.


From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Aug 12 11:50:25 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 10:50:25 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND VINTAGE
 GRAND PRIX
References: <8CD0857AF3CB057-1494-89E9@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <9AA4BAB5BB2E49B5B86FDE99D6E777C5@Bud>

I won't be there..but I sure am glad to see this happening for Mark...Thanks 
Mark ..For your incredible Work for the Motoring World...
Racer bud
----- Original Message ----- 
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Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 10:05 AM
Subject: [Fot] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND VINTAGE 
GRAND PRIX


> TRIUMPH list:
>
> Mark Bradakis will be our guest at the HVGP in TOPEKA next week.
>
> Mark has made a MAJOR contribution to our hobby and we appreciate this..
>
> If you come to Heartland Park next weekend, please stop in at the FRIENDS 
> OF
> TRIUMPH PADDOCK AREA and meet Mark Bradakis.
>
> He will be hanging out with Kas Kastner and other cool people.
>
> Also, if you are a VTR member or associated with the FOT, you are eligible 
> for
> a high quality event poster sponsored by the VTR and it's Pesident, Blake
> Discher.
>
> Joe A.
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Aug 12 12:26:58 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:26:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMBROs AT HEARTLAND PARK - Heartland Vintage Grand Prix -
 Bill Ames Memorial
Message-ID: <8CD0863156AF5DC-1788-B4@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com>

There will be three of the historic Ambros at Heartland Park next weekend.

Newly restored V-8 powered AMBRO of Mike Fuchs.....OMAHA. Mike will be driving
it on track. It's appearance is being coordinated by FOT Bill Redinger of
OMAHA.

HOT and FAST V-8 powered AMBRO-DIO of Bill Bonadio.....OKLAHOMA CITY.  Bill is
having a hip replacement  on Friday and he may only have it on display.

Newly finished TR4 powered AMBRO of A.R.E.......JESUP, IOWA.   This a racing
debut with this car..

BILL AMES MEMORIAL:  The Bill Ames Memorial plaque will be passed from Larry
Young to the next recipient, at the HVGP.

This plaque is in honor of BILL AMES, one of the originators of the AMBRO,
along with Dewey Brohaugh. (Ames and Brohaugh are recognized in Harold Pace's
American Road Racing Specials) Bill had the talent and spirit we have in the
FOT. In his 60s he left us in 1998.

=


From rjl6n at cstone.net  Thu Aug 12 12:29:28 2010
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:29:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND VINTAGE
 GRAND PRIX
In-Reply-To: <8CD0857AF3CB057-1494-89E9@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD0857AF3CB057-1494-89E9@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <7230c78176953c7b9ef6c2fdd26c9925.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

Awesome - MJB truly deserves this, congratulations!

I wish I could be there to congratulate Mark, but
this will have to do.

Mark, thanks for all you do,
John

On Thu, August 12, 2010 1:05 pm, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> TRIUMPH list:
>
> Mark Bradakis will be our guest at the HVGP in TOPEKA next week.
>
> Mark has made a MAJOR contribution to our hobby and we appreciate this..
>
> If you come to Heartland Park next weekend, please stop in at the FRIENDS
> OF
> TRIUMPH PADDOCK AREA and meet Mark Bradakis.
>
> He will be hanging out with Kas Kastner and other cool people.
>
> Also, if you are a VTR member or associated with the FOT, you are eligible
> for
> a high quality event poster sponsored by the VTR and it's Pesident, Blake
> Discher.
>
> Joe A.
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 12 14:18:14 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:18:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR3 query
Message-ID: <B4785FE1-A6AF-4BE2-AC67-531138F5EC45@earthlink.net>

Hello All,
Can anyone help with commission # TS69978L, engine # TS48253E ?
Where do these numbers fit into total production? Likely year of  
manufacture? The plate adjacent to the Commission plate says:
          T R I U M P H
             S T C - 6 2
I've never noticed this plate on other TR3's. It is screwed on unlike  
the comm. plate which it riveted. Might it signify 1962?
And finally, might this be a 2138cc or did they all have CT numbers.
Thanks in advance,
And CHEERS to Mark! Look forward to meeting you in Topeka.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM 


From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Aug 12 15:04:33 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:04:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 query
References: <B4785FE1-A6AF-4BE2-AC67-531138F5EC45@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E85E75CEC3B941CA83F4D15CA087D995@Bud>

Hi greg....your chassis # is TR3A (ts22014-ts83572)..your chassis is a late 
one, so I bet the STC-62 has something to do with the car being a 1961, but 
sold as a 1962 because the dealer still had it on his lot...It was very 
common to simply sell the car as a later year if still in the 
inventory....your engiine # is TR3A..TS22014E and on..The .TR3 B was 
TSF(1991cc) orTCF(2138cc)
Racer Bud.,,
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "fot Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 1:18 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR3 query


> Hello All,
> Can anyone help with commission # TS69978L, engine # TS48253E ?
> Where do these numbers fit into total production? Likely year of 
> manufacture? The plate adjacent to the Commission plate says:
>          T R I U M P H
>             S T C - 6 2
> I've never noticed this plate on other TR3's. It is screwed on unlike  the 
> comm. plate which it riveted. Might it signify 1962?
> And finally, might this be a 2138cc or did they all have CT numbers.
> Thanks in advance,
> And CHEERS to Mark! Look forward to meeting you in Topeka.
>
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 12 15:08:40 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:08:40 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Query answered
In-Reply-To: <EEF387CB76AB9B4083293A0052ADEEC31B7E663E53@SEPEX11.oppd.oppd-ds.com>
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	<EEF387CB76AB9B4083293A0052ADEEC31B7E663E53@SEPEX11.oppd.oppd-ds.com>
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Instant answers thanks to Bill Redinger.
On Aug 12, 2010, at 2:59 PM, REDINGER, WILLIAM E wrote:

> Greg
>
> Your car was manufactured February 1960,with all of the latest TR3A  
> changes on it. The engine is not the original one as it has an  
> earlier engine number, when it should have near the same number as  
> the commission number up to about 1000 numbers higher. By late 1960  
> TR3a's were not selling well in anticipation of the new TR4, so  
> some late TR3a's got to the dealers late and then sat waiting a  
> sale. Dealers installed tags like the one you described to make  
> them seem like newer model years. In this simpler time dealers  
> titled the car in the model year that the car was sold in IE Sept  
> 1961 would make it a 1962 Model. Many of TR's are titled that way.  
> More than likely yours has a 1962 year title? TR3B were also hard  
> to move with lots of them titled 1963 when they were produced in 1961.
>
> Hope this Helps. British Motor Heritage Trust can do a title search  
> on your vehicle for a fee and give you all the details on your car  
> as to date, colors and options it had on it from the factory.
>
> Best of luck
>
> Bill Redinger
> VTR-TR2&3 Vehicle Consultant
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- 
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 3:18 PM
> To: fot Triumph
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 query
>
> Hello All,
> Can anyone help with commission # TS69978L, engine # TS48253E ?
> Where do these numbers fit into total production? Likely year of
> manufacture? The plate adjacent to the Commission plate says:
>           T R I U M P H
>              S T C - 6 2
> I've never noticed this plate on other TR3's. It is screwed on unlike
> the comm. plate which it riveted. Might it signify 1962?
> And finally, might this be a 2138cc or did they all have CT numbers.
> Thanks in advance,
> And CHEERS to Mark! Look forward to meeting you in Topeka.
>
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Aug 12 15:32:13 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:32:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 query
In-Reply-To: <B4785FE1-A6AF-4BE2-AC67-531138F5EC45@earthlink.net>
References: <B4785FE1-A6AF-4BE2-AC67-531138F5EC45@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <026201cb3a65$d4b3eb60$7e1bc220$@rr.com>

> Can anyone help with commission # TS69978L, engine # TS48253E ?
> Where do these numbers fit into total production? Likely year of
> manufacture?

That would seem to indicate the car was made fairly early in 1960, but the
engine is from an early 1959.  Last TR3A (in 1961) was TS83572, so it's
fairly late in overall TR2-3 production.  (Another 3500 or so TR3Bs were
made in 1962.)

>           T R I U M P H
>              S T C - 6 2

Those plates were apparently added by some (possibly all) US dealers, after
about 1960, only when selling cars as a later model.  So the "62" likely
does indicate that the car was sold "new" in 1962.  Here's a (poor) shot of
the STC tag on my Sports 6:
http://tinyurl.com/2awrm8l

> And finally, might this be a 2138cc or did they all have CT numbers.

I believe 2138cc was available as an option at that time, so it might have
been.  Only way to be sure AFAIK is to get a copy of the build certificate,
as the engine displacement was not marked anywhere else.  But since it is so
easy to change (and the 87mm liners were actually cheaper for quite a few
years), there is no telling what's in there now, short of measuring it in
some fashion.

-- Randall 


From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Aug 12 18:10:14 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 18:10:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND
 VINTAGE GRAND PRIX
In-Reply-To: <8CD0857AF3CB057-1494-89E9@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD0857AF3CB057-1494-89E9@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C648D66.2090805@bradakis.com>

Gee, it sounds so official!  And interesting timing.  A few folks on the
Triumph list might have some less complementary comments regarding
my handling of Team.Net.  So it goes.

By this time next week I'll be zipping down the road in my little red
Honda, heading for Heartland Park.  Should be a good weekend!

mjb.


From herald948 at aol.com  Thu Aug 12 20:09:19 2010
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 22:09:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] telescopic shocks for rear of TR4
Message-ID: <8CD08A3AC1AE749-838-71DD@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com>

 The subject line might be a bit misleading, as I'm not referring to any of
the currently available kits.

Thing is, last night I found my copy (1966 printing) of the Dave Allen/Dick
Strome _Triumph Guide_. Being easily distracted these days (why did I start
this e-mail...oh, yeah), I started leafing through and came upon something
very interesting at the end of the chapter on the "new" TR4.

There is a list of "Optional Equipment: (Under Development, to be released in
1962)" that shows, among other items (Part #0-02054TR4) Rear Shock Abserbor
[sic] (telescopic).

Perhaps Kas...or Mike Cook...or someone else can tell me if this is something
that ever did come about? I wonder, given the several kits recently available
from various sources, and the discussion / controversy / debate around same.

Anyone?

For anyone who's never seen this book, it's a great resource, worth whatever
you pay just for the description of the development of the TR2 and Ken
Rawlings' building of Buttercup! (If you don't know what "Buttercup" is, you
don't belong on this list! :-) )



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
Database: http://triumph-herald.us


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Aug 12 20:48:14 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 22:48:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] RAMADA INN     HVR ROOMS
Message-ID: <8CD08A91BFE0C10-1994-B6BF@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com>

TOPEKA BOUND?

I just received a report that all of the HVR rooms are taken.

With some discussion you might get them to add more rooms.

Doesnt hurt to ask....

Looks like we are seeing some last minute growth in attendees and entries.

WEATHER: Temperature is in a trend downwards Iowa will see 59/80 next week.

Joe


From mlcooknj at msn.com  Thu Aug 12 20:55:10 2010
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 22:55:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] telescopic shocks for rear of TR4
In-Reply-To: <8CD08A3AC1AE749-838-71DD@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD08A3AC1AE749-838-71DD@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY147-w4489901E0BECD9699A6F7FC8980@phx.gbl>

Hi Andy -

The telescopic shock kit never happened. It would have been most interesting
to racers and the SCCA rules didn't allow the conversion.

Mike

> To: fot at autox.team.net
> From: herald948 at aol.com
> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 22:09:19 -0400
> Subject: [Fot] telescopic shocks for rear of TR4
>
> The subject line might be a bit misleading, as I'm not referring to any of
> the currently available kits.
>
> Thing is, last night I found my copy (1966 printing) of the Dave Allen/Dick
> Strome _Triumph Guide_. Being easily distracted these days (why did I start
> this e-mail...oh, yeah), I started leafing through and came upon something
> very interesting at the end of the chapter on the "new" TR4.
>
> There is a list of "Optional Equipment: (Under Development, to be released
in
> 1962)" that shows, among other items (Part #0-02054TR4) Rear Shock Abserbor
> [sic] (telescopic).
>
> Perhaps Kas...or Mike Cook...or someone else can tell me if this is
something
> that ever did come about? I wonder, given the several kits recently
available
> from various sources, and the discussion / controversy / debate around
same.
>
> Anyone?
>
> For anyone who's never seen this book, it's a great resource, worth
whatever
> you pay just for the description of the development of the TR2 and Ken
> Rawlings' building of Buttercup! (If you don't know what "Buttercup" is,
you
> don't belong on this list! :-) )
>
>
>
> --Andy Mace
>
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
> Herald engine with wings.
> -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)
>
> Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
> Register: http://www.vtr.org
>
> Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph
Herald
> Database: http://triumph-herald.us
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Thu Aug 12 21:00:38 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 20:00:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim6LxST7ATE1Ndsn8d5ZxtZMXxjYQ_=NmXW42FY@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D9E3EAABB66C4A6992FC82466CA1CB3A@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

That was cool.  In the days before transponders, my wife and I used to work
timing and scoring a lot.  I remember Chuck Billington and Tom Foster were
racing the Tracer C Sports Racers nose to tail all the time.  I know we
called one race between them a dead heat since there were no cameras and no
one could tell who was in front at the finish line.  They loved it. 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mark Vaden
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 1:34 PM
To: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB RECHARGEABLE TRANSPONDER Questions


Steve was nice  enough to point out that I had the wrong link: here is the
correct one:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox316Add_kk

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Mark Vaden <markvaden at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here is a video that explains why Steve is constructing a retractable 
> rod.
>
>
> http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v
> =ox316Add_kk
>
> When my wife saw this - she responded "every inch matters".
>
> -Mark
>
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Steven Belfer 
> <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>wrote:
>
>> Mount it onto a retractable rod that can shoot forward at the 
>> start/finish line if necessary. :)
>>
>> ~Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2010, at 12:57 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
>>
>> I am about to install.
>>
>> What is the favored location on a TR3-6 chassis for location of the 
>> transponder?
>>
>> Any caveats?
>>
>> Orientation?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Joe
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From triumphs at consolidated.net  Thu Aug 12 21:54:15 2010
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home PC)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 22:54:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 query
References: <B4785FE1-A6AF-4BE2-AC67-531138F5EC45@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <89CA5A3D58ED45B7802322C31C355864@0817C93C637E473>

Going from memory the chassis (body etc.) should be a 1960 or 1961 model and 
the engine is out of an earlier car (probably '57 or '58.)  (There is a 
Swedish web site that could tells us exactly) Mine was built in Ausugt 1959 
and chassis # TS57756L.

The total production (through 1963) was something like 86,000+- but '59 was 
the biggest production year and they could have hit ran the number that high 
in those next couple of years.

The engine number is enough lower I would guess it has had an earlier 
replacement at some point.  Chassis number and engine number never matched 
exactly, but the were usually closer that that.

I think they all had the STC number plate and as I recall it has no 
particular significance. Most have another number plate on the front chassis 
cross member.

As far as displacement, tough to say since oversized liners have been 
availabe almost since new.  I guess it started life as a 1998 cc, but who 
knows what it might be today.

That sound like a "spit and shine" question rather than a racers question 
:-)

Ken Gano



> Hello All,
> Can anyone help with commission # TS69978L, engine # TS48253E ?
> Where do these numbers fit into total production? Likely year of
> manufacture? The plate adjacent to the Commission plate says:
>          T R I U M P H
>             S T C - 6 2
> I've never noticed this plate on other TR3's. It is screwed on unlike
> the comm. plate which it riveted. Might it signify 1962?
> And finally, might this be a 2138cc or did they all have CT numbers.
> Thanks in advance,
> And CHEERS to Mark! Look forward to meeting you in Topeka.
>
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
> _______________________________________________


From dlhogye at comcast.net  Thu Aug 12 23:33:12 2010
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 05:33:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 query
In-Reply-To: <460143315.1294701.1281677427205.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2016823519.1294802.1281677592637.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Greg, 
That stc# is the year sold tag and they were screwed on. My car #46235 was built in March '59, shipped to Cal Sales, Dorothy Deans dealership, in Glendale Ca. in April '59, but the year sold tag has STC 60 and the title says first year sold 1960. You can send your number info to The Heritage Trust Museum in the UK to find out the specifics. They'll list all the info they have on the numbers as well as the options the car was sold with. It's nice info to have, and I think it cost around $50. They send you a formal certificate with official stampings and signatures. 
The frame # on the cross member of my car is related to the month and year the frame was made. Mine is Z 2 9. Feb.'59 is consistent with the my cars build date of March '59. 


See you next week in Topeka, 
Dave 
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To: "fot Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>, "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" <Lunkercars at earthlink.net> 
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:54:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 query 

Going from memory the chassis (body etc.) should be a 1960 or 1961 model and 
the engine is out of an earlier car (probably '57 or '58.) (There is a 
Swedish web site that could tells us exactly) Mine was built in Ausugt 1959 
and chassis # TS57756L. 

The total production (through 1963) was something like 86,000+- but '59 was 
the biggest production year and they could have hit ran the number that high 
in those next couple of years. 

The engine number is enough lower I would guess it has had an earlier 
replacement at some point. Chassis number and engine number never matched 
exactly, but the were usually closer that that. 

I think they all had the STC number plate and as I recall it has no 
particular significance. Most have another number plate on the front chassis 
cross member. 

As far as displacement, tough to say since oversized liners have been 
availabe almost since new. I guess it started life as a 1998 cc, but who 
knows what it might be today. 

That sound like a "spit and shine" question rather than a racers question 
:-) 

Ken Gano 



> Hello All, 
> Can anyone help with commission # TS69978L, engine # TS48253E ? 
> Where do these numbers fit into total production? Likely year of 
> manufacture? The plate adjacent to the Commission plate says: 
> T R I U M P H 
> S T C - 6 2 
> I've never noticed this plate on other TR3's. It is screwed on unlike 
> the comm. plate which it riveted. Might it signify 1962? 
> And finally, might this be a 2138cc or did they all have CT numbers. 
> Thanks in advance, 
> And CHEERS to Mark! Look forward to meeting you in Topeka. 
> 
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer 
> TR4 #314 
> Albuquerque NM 
> _______________________________________________ 
_______________________________________________ 
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From ikorey at comcast.net  Fri Aug 13 06:32:59 2010
From: ikorey at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 07:32:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] telescopic shocks for rear of TR4
In-Reply-To: <8CD08A3AC1AE749-838-71DD@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD08A3AC1AE749-838-71DD@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikisvnGPB=5=ZCrB9JdO8ibvqYHKF4ykiPcBKaC@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Andrew Mace <herald948 at aol.com> wrote:

There is a list of "Optional Equipment: (Under Development, to be released
> in
> 1962)" that shows, among other items (Part #0-02054TR4) Rear Shock Abserbor
> [sic] (telescopic).
>


Whether any were ever actually allowed by the SCCA or not, there IS a
version of the SCCA GCR that does list as acceptable a tube shock conversion
for the TR4. Bill Dentinger showed it to me before I bought my car in 1992.
I no longer have that GCR as it went to the new owner of my car when I sold
it in 2008. But I'm sure Bill still has it. It may be the 1961 edition.

Irv Korey


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Fri Aug 13 07:07:33 2010
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 06:07:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] RAMADA INN     HVR ROOMS
In-Reply-To: <8CD08A91BFE0C10-1994-B6BF@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <506840.42839.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Joe: Stop that temperature teasing. Yesterday the thermometer outside the shop said 107. Great advert for the race weekend..."come to Kansas and cool down"!
-Ed-

--- On Thu, 8/12/10, n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:


From: n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Subject: [Fot] RAMADA INN HVR ROOMS
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: brinke at cebridge.net
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 9:48 PM


TOPEKA BOUND?

I just received a report that all of the HVR rooms are taken.

With some discussion you might get them to add more rooms.

Doesnt hurt to ask....

Looks like we are seeing some last minute growth in attendees and entries.

WEATHER: Temperature is in a trend downwards Iowa will see 59/80 next week.

Joe
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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Fri Aug 13 07:14:22 2010
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:14:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND
 VINTAGE GRAND PRIX
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References: <8CD0857AF3CB057-1494-89E9@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <002501cb3ae9$72065640$561302c0$@net>

Good Job (keep it up)

Craig


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[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 1:05 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND VINTAGE
GRAND PRIX

TRIUMPH list:

Mark Bradakis will be our guest at the HVGP in TOPEKA next week.

Mark has made a MAJOR contribution to our hobby and we appreciate this..

If you come to Heartland Park next weekend, please stop in at the FRIENDS OF
TRIUMPH PADDOCK AREA and meet Mark Bradakis.

He will be hanging out with Kas Kastner and other cool people.

Also, if you are a VTR member or associated with the FOT, you are eligible
for
a high quality event poster sponsored by the VTR and it's Pesident, Blake
Discher.

Joe A.

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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Aug 13 08:42:57 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:42:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TOPEKA  FOT   PHOTOGRAPHER    VOLUNTEER
Message-ID: <8CD090CF4B03708-13E0-CA37@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>

FOT

I am looking for a volunteer to organize a GROUP SHOT of the FOT.

We cant let an opportunity pass like this.

We might consider doing one of all of the TR4s, too.

It should be suitable for publication with the requisite credits.

There is an open house at the track on FRIDAY night for the locals. This might
be a way to show your stuff and us get pictures.

Please help.

Joe A.


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Aug 13 08:49:45 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:49:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PERFORMANCE TRIUMPH CAMSHAFT DESIGNER TO MAKE APPEARANCE AT
 TOPEKA
Message-ID: <8CD090DE7E72EBB-2268-9@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>

TRIUMPH OWNERS:

LARRY YOUNG, camshaft designer will be bringing a sample to place on display
and for discussion.

Several of us are running Larry's camshafts and we are very pleased with the
design.

He will be in the paddock with us during the weekend and available to discuss
custom camshaft designs.

There's a lot of talent in the FOT....USE IT!

Joe A.


From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug 13 09:23:20 2010
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 08:23:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND VINTAGE
 GRAND PRIX
In-Reply-To: <9AA4BAB5BB2E49B5B86FDE99D6E777C5@Bud>
Message-ID: <976633.73778.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Same from me Mark,
 
  Not only have you made a major contribution to the group, but you realize
that its really kinda all your fault that we are even here to have fun
together...
 
 
HUGE thanks to you from all of us ;>)


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire

--- On Thu, 8/12/10, RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:


From: RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND VINTAGE
GRAND PRIX
To: triumphs at autox.team.net, n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 12:50 PM


I won't be there..but I sure am glad to see this happening for Mark...Thanks
Mark ..For your incredible Work for the Motoring World...
Racer bud
----- Original Message ----- From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
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Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 10:05 AM
Subject: [Fot] Mark Bradakis Honored by the FOT at THE HEARTLAND VINTAGE GRAND
PRIX


> TRIUMPH list:
>
> Mark Bradakis will be our guest at the HVGP in TOPEKA next week.
>
> Mark has made a MAJOR contribution to our hobby and we appreciate this..
>
> If you come to Heartland Park next weekend, please stop in at the FRIENDS
OF
> TRIUMPH PADDOCK AREA and meet Mark Bradakis.
>
> He will be hanging out with Kas Kastner and other cool people.
>
> Also, if you are a VTR member or associated with the FOT, you are eligible
for
> a high quality event poster sponsored by the VTR and it's Pesident, Blake
> Discher.
>
> Joe A.
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Aug 13 09:42:41 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:42:41 +0200
Subject: [Fot] PERFORMANCE TRIUMPH CAMSHAFT DESIGNER TO MAKE APPEARANCE
 AT TOPEKA
In-Reply-To: <8CD090DE7E72EBB-2268-9@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD090DE7E72EBB-2268-9@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001cb3afe$2b9684e0$82c38ea0$@com>

He should bring also lifters so that people can test them on the fly ;-)

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von n197tr4 at cs.com
Gesendet: Freitag, 13. August 2010 16:50
An: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] PERFORMANCE TRIUMPH CAMSHAFT DESIGNER TO MAKE APPEARANCE AT
TOPEKA

TRIUMPH OWNERS:

LARRY YOUNG, camshaft designer will be bringing a sample to place on display
and for discussion.

Several of us are running Larry's camshafts and we are very pleased with the
design.

He will be in the paddock with us during the weekend and available to
discuss
custom camshaft designs.

There's a lot of talent in the FOT....USE IT!

Joe A.
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Fri Aug 13 13:17:59 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:17:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] RAMADA INN     HVR ROOMS
In-Reply-To: <506840.42839.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <506840.42839.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C659A67.10100@pobox.com>

A cool (or rather not quite so hot) front is coming through on Sunday.  
It will probably stall before reaching Texas though.  Sorry Ed.  Kansas 
and Oklahoma will have lows in the 70s next week.
Larry

EDWARD BARNARD wrote:
> Joe: Stop that temperature teasing. Yesterday the thermometer outside the shop said 107. Great advert for the race weekend..."come to Kansas and cool down"!
> -Ed-


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Aug 13 17:22:03 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:22:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] ADVANCED DISTRIBUTORS trying to come to TOPEKA
Message-ID: <8CD095578F761D2-1074-4F5D@Webmail-m110.sysops.aol.com>

JEFF SCHLEMMER called a couple of times this week.

He is trying to clear his bench of 7 race car distributors before he leaves.

He wants to spend the weekend with the FOT and hang out and help.

Kind of a working vacation.

The price of success...your life is not your own anymore.

I hope he makes it but there are 7 racers depending on him.

Our weekend would be enhanced if he makes it.

Joe A


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Aug 13 18:11:46 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:11:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4    SCROLL SEAL CENTERING TOOL    THEY ARE DONE!
Message-ID: <8CD095C6B274572-2634-14F32@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com>

FOT,


A.R.E. produced these scroll centering tools in conjunction with Chris' VITON
SEAL CONVERSION project.

There are some folks interested in the centering tool by itself......SO,

$27.00 PayPal   to    n197tr4 at cs.com   will get you a centering tool shipped
to your tool box.

We researched the correct dimensions and these tools reflect that research. We
might surmise that the large scroll seal dimension is in error in the Factory
Manual as it appears to be too large for the split scroll seal by several
thousandths.

I contacted Moss as they offer a centering tool and we are discussing the
apparent discrepancy. We expect Moss to adopt our dimensions and Kas has
already used those dimensions in his new book.

So if you want/need what we think is a proper scroll seal centering tool at a
low cost, please go to my PayPal account. This assembly tool will work on the
stock seal or the conversion kit.

If you want our scroll seal conversion kit, with Chris' Viton Seal, the seals
will be in transit shortly.  I have exchange units on the shelf of the
modified OEM scroll seals. You might consider rounding up your exchange scroll
seal.

Regards,

Joe A.


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Fri Aug 13 18:19:27 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:19:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] RAMADA INN     HVR ROOMS
In-Reply-To: <4C659A67.10100@pobox.com>
References: <506840.42839.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4C659A67.10100@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A087E4A3408@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

It's not the lows it's the highs. We were in the 70's last night, over 100 in
the daytime.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson




-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Larry Young
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 2:18 PM
To: EDWARD BARNARD
Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] RAMADA INN HVR ROOMS

A cool (or rather not quite so hot) front is coming through on Sunday.
It will probably stall before reaching Texas though.  Sorry Ed.  Kansas
and Oklahoma will have lows in the 70s next week.
Larry

EDWARD BARNARD wrote:
> Joe: Stop that temperature teasing. Yesterday the thermometer outside the
shop said 107. Great advert for the race weekend..."come to Kansas and cool
down"!
> -Ed-
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From rikrock at live.com  Sat Aug 14 04:22:46 2010
From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 06:22:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Duryea Hillclimb
In-Reply-To: <8CD090DE7E72EBB-2268-9@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
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Message-ID: <BLU139-W25022BF6BE25C89E7C16BBC6990@phx.gbl>

While many of you will be at Heartland next weekend, there will be some
Triumphs in Reading, PA for the Duryea Hillclimb.  Registered at this time
are:

TR4's....Dennis Williams, Dave Miller
TR7.......Tim Williams
TR6's.....Richard Good, JK Jackson


It's not too late to enter.  Just go to www.pahillclimb.org and download an
entry form

Rich Rock
Chairman, Duryea Hillclimb


From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Sat Aug 14 05:16:18 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 07:16:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] misc
Message-ID: <028601cb3ba2$1eec6260$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

Hi all, I saw a TVR on e-bay for sale in Perrysville, IN. Know anything about
this Joe?
Also a barn find TR6 race car project in Salado TX. Bob, that's your neck of
the woods isn't it? Looks interesting.
Someone else has a "project" TR6 and a Spit on e-bay. Lots of projects, too
little time.
Bill


From atr6racer at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 14 05:49:47 2010
From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 07:49:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Shelby wheels for sale
Message-ID: <SNT136-w58CD9B1097509363B4A3F1F9990@phx.gbl>

I have 10 15 x 7" wheels with a 4 x 4.5" bolt pattern for a Triumph with a
3.5" backspace. These are Shelby American sloted polished aluminum wheels.
Extremely light and 8 are in great shape, 2 not so great. I bought them new in
1975 and have not used them since 1987. I'll bring them to Heartland park next
weekend. $300 for a set of four and a not so good wheel for free for a spare.
That's them in the photo from 1976 with my Pop taking his first victory lap,
on Father's day no less! My all time favorite picture! Anyway if anyone has an
interest look me up in the paddock at HPT next weekend. I'm looking forward to
seeing everyone!

Sam Halkias

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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Aug 14 07:20:56 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 07:20:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] misc
In-Reply-To: <028601cb3ba2$1eec6260$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
References: <028601cb3ba2$1eec6260$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <4C669838.1030100@bradakis.com>

 > Lots of projects, too little time.

I know the feeling:

http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=48


mjb.


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Aug 14 09:21:35 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:21:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] misc
References: <028601cb3ba2$1eec6260$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <AA5CAFCA818F4C77AB78D754615D18B6@latitudefb1e41>

The TR6 barn find in Salado is an interesting car. It has some race car 
goodies but I think they want too much for what is essentially a basket case 
TR6. The fenders are flared with metal spliced in. The engine is built to 
some race standard but there is no telling if it has important stuff like 
cam bearings. In my book it needs to be torn down regardless and there is no 
claim of anything like Carillo rods, no Webers. I think they got a PI setup 
with the spares but it is my understanding that they are selling the spares 
separately. The headers look like small tube GT6 size to me. It came with a 
couple of overdrive tansmissions and some sort of locked diff. There is no 
sign of ever having a roll cage installed. My guess is that the original car 
was autocrossed.

Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
excellence.
Vince Lombardi
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Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 6:16 AM
Subject: [Fot] misc


> Hi all, I saw a TVR on e-bay for sale in Perrysville, IN. Know anything 
> about
> this Joe?
> Also a barn find TR6 race car project in Salado TX. Bob, that's your neck 
> of
> the woods isn't it? Looks interesting.
> Someone else has a "project" TR6 and a Spit on e-bay. Lots of projects, 
> too
> little time.
> Bill
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Sat Aug 14 11:14:55 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 13:14:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] misc
Message-ID: <da0e.5efb8c97.3998290f@aol.com>

In a message dated 08/14/2010 6:33:08 AM Central Daylight Time, 
william.tobin3 at verizon.net writes:


> Hi all, I saw a TVR on e-bay for sale in Perrysville, IN. Know anything 
> about
> this Joe?
> 

Amici...

Speaking of TVRs...I can't remember if there has been much posted about it 
on FOT, but Dennis Delap has just finished an awesome restoration of a 
Triumph powered TVR.  Sure runs good on the race track too.  Dennis is an 
architect in his other life, and that fact hangs out all over in the 'Presentation' 
of his race cars.  They are always GORGEOUS.

Speaking of AWESOME and GORGEOUS...there is a super picture of Bill Babcock 
and the Peyote in the current issue of VINTAGE MOTORSPORT.  The Peyote was 
always AWESOME, but these days thanks, to Bill and some talented 
helpers...the term GORGEOUS fits pretty well too.

Sorry to be missing Heartland next week end (Bob Wismer (TR4) and I (TR3) 
will be racing at GRATTAN near Grand Rapids, but warmest regards to one and 
all.  Go FAST, race SAFE, and celebrate.

Bill Dentinger


From GRMTim at aol.com  Sat Aug 14 18:54:11 2010
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 20:54:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] GT6 suspension set-up
Message-ID: <120528.4f4aa335.399894b3@aol.com>

I outlined all the tricks Group 44, Inc. used in a story, so anyone 
interested could duplicate it. The car handles very well and won a national 
championship with that set up. 

I am not sure if changing to something else would net a better car or not 
in this day and age. Let me know if you didn't see it and I will get it to 
you.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723


From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com  Sun Aug 15 07:57:15 2010
From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 09:57:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Ever seen this one???
Message-ID: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com>

Oil in the radiator WITHOUT oil in the water? Figuring head gasket but 
seems strange... I know I have a head bolt issue. New block had a repair 
- machinist said it looked good but it topped out at 90 ft lbs.

Had interesting overheating issue - runs fine 180-190 but when I turn it 
off, the water boils in the motor/radiator. 50:50 prestone... 4 lb cap. 
Water goes into overflow bottle but does not appear to be pulled back 
into the radiator when the engine cools. This was before the oil / 
radiator issue.

M


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Sun Aug 15 09:09:50 2010
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 09:09:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Support your little brothers,
 Order Puckett event regalia now!  [1 Attachment]
In-Reply-To: <117676.81525.qm@web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <117676.81525.qm@web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT134-w64C58FA30A36E9C3B19107909A0@phx.gbl>

Hello Triumph guys, Here's another unsolicited sale offer where you can
support your little brothers in the H modified "Over the Hill Gang" through
the purchase of some of our event regalia.  We are trying to have a yearly
event where the little cars can meet and run together and we are financing the
awards through sales of shirts, posters and dash plaques.  This year we will
be at the CSRG Charity Challenge at Infineon October 1.  Take a look at the
attached artwork and email me back if you are interested.

Cheers, Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM
TR4,TR6,TR7, AH 3000, Elva Courier, Hmod Bunce Buck



Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 07:49:40 -0700
From: hmodrenault at yahoo.com
Subject: Fw: [hmod] Order Puckett event regalia now! [1 Attachment]
To: dos_gusanos at msn.com







--- On Thu, 8/12/10, Henry Morrison <hmodrenault at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Henry Morrison <hmodrenault at yahoo.com>
Subject: [hmod] Order Puckett event regalia now! [1 Attachment]
To: "Hmod" <hmod at yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 10:20 PM





[Attachment(s) from Henry Morrison included below]





Greetings Over the Hill Gang,
It is time to support Hmod racing by purchasing your Puckett Cup regalia now.
Jamie Pfeifer has produced an excellent design featuring long time H-Mod
participants. R to L, Marty Stein, Siata, Don Baldocchi, Nardi Crosley and Don
Racine, Aardvark.

Three items will be available featuring the artwork:

Dash Plaque (free to event participants)   otherwise $5

T-
shirts.......................................................................
..$20

24" X 24" Poster..........................................................$15

Postage
.......................................................................$6.00
for a small flat rate Box via mail

or take delivery at the event.

I have until August 27 to collect orders, there will be a few extra available
at the event.

 Send checks to:  Henry Morrison
                               8 Punto Alto Ct.
                               Cedar Crest, NM 87008

Or I suppose I can take paypal at dos_gusanos at msn.com

Please include your size S, M, L, XL, XXL etc.

All proceeds will go to cover the costs of the Puckett Cup at the CSRG Charity
Challenge.

Thank you,   Henry Morrison

__._,_.___
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1 of 1 Photo(s)



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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Aug 15 10:13:36 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:13:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Support your little brothers,
 Order Puckett event  regalia now!  [1 Attachment]
In-Reply-To: <SNT134-w64C58FA30A36E9C3B19107909A0@phx.gbl>
References: <117676.81525.qm@web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<SNT134-w64C58FA30A36E9C3B19107909A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CD0AABF334486E-2634-29F61@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com>

ah yes,  in honor of Joe Puckett




-----Original Message-----
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Aug 15, 2010 10:09 am
Subject: [Fot] Support your little brothers, Order Puckett event regalia now!
[1 Attachment]


Hello Triumph guys, Here's another unsolicited sale offer where you can
upport your little brothers in the H modified "Over the Hill Gang" through
he purchase of some of our event regalia.  We are trying to have a yearly
vent where the little cars can meet and run together and we are financing the
wards through sales of shirts, posters and dash plaques.  This year we will
e at the CSRG Charity Challenge at Infineon October 1.  Take a look at the
ttached artwork and email me back if you are interested.
Cheers, Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM
R4,TR6,TR7, AH 3000, Elva Courier, Hmod Bunce Buck

Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 07:49:40 -0700
rom: hmodrenault at yahoo.com
ubject: Fw: [hmod] Order Puckett event regalia now! [1 Attachment]
o: dos_gusanos at msn.com



--- On Thu, 8/12/10, Henry Morrison <hmodrenault at yahoo.com> wrote:

rom: Henry Morrison <hmodrenault at yahoo.com>
ubject: [hmod] Order Puckett event regalia now! [1 Attachment]
o: "Hmod" <hmod at yahoogroups.com>
ate: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 10:20 PM


[Attachment(s) from Henry Morrison included below]


Greetings Over the Hill Gang,
t is time to support Hmod racing by purchasing your Puckett Cup regalia now.
amie Pfeifer has produced an excellent design featuring long time H-Mod
articipants. R to L, Marty Stein, Siata, Don Baldocchi, Nardi Crosley and Don
acine, Aardvark.
Three items will be available featuring the artwork:
Dash Plaque (free to event participants)   otherwise $5
T-
hirts.......................................................................
.$20
24" X 24" Poster..........................................................$15
Postage
......................................................................$6.00
or a small flat rate Box via mail
or take delivery at the event.
I have until August 27 to collect orders, there will be a few extra available
t the event.
 Send checks to:  Henry Morrison
                              8 Punto Alto Ct.
                              Cedar Crest, NM 87008
Or I suppose I can take paypal at dos_gusanos at msn.com
Please include your size S, M, L, XL, XXL etc.
All proceeds will go to cover the costs of the Puckett Cup at the CSRG
Charity
hallenge.
Thank you,   Henry Morrison
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 of 1 Photo(s)

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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Sun Aug 15 11:32:28 2010
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 11:32:28 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW: [hmod] Order Puckett event regalia now! [1 Attachment]
In-Reply-To: <117676.81525.qm@web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <117676.81525.qm@web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT134-w52FFA4BA6FAEBD87B9BA9909A0@phx.gbl>

Here's the url where you can check out our design, I momentarily forgot about
the attachment rule..................Cheers Henry


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hmod/attachments/folder/304226438/item/16706183
29/view


Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 07:49:40 -0700
From: hmodrenault at yahoo.com
Subject: Fw: [hmod] Order Puckett event regalia now! [1 Attachment]
To: dos_gusanos at msn.com







--- On Thu, 8/12/10, Henry Morrison <hmodrenault at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Henry Morrison <hmodrenault at yahoo.com>
Subject: [hmod] Order Puckett event regalia now! [1 Attachment]
To: "Hmod" <hmod at yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 10:20 PM





[Attachment(s) from Henry Morrison included below]





Greetings Over the Hill Gang,
It is time to support Hmod racing by purchasing your Puckett Cup regalia now.
Jamie Pfeifer has produced an excellent design featuring long time H-Mod
participants. R to L, Marty Stein, Siata, Don Baldocchi, Nardi Crosley and Don
Racine, Aardvark.

Three items will be available featuring the artwork:

Dash Plaque (free to event participants)   otherwise $5

T-
shirts.......................................................................
..$20

24" X 24" Poster..........................................................$15

Postage
.......................................................................$6.00
for a small flat rate Box via mail

or take delivery at the event.

I have until August 27 to collect orders, there will be a few extra available
at the event.

 Send checks to:  Henry Morrison
                               8 Punto Alto Ct.
                               Cedar Crest, NM 87008

Or I suppose I can take paypal at dos_gusanos at msn.com

Please include your size S, M, L, XL, XXL etc.

All proceeds will go to cover the costs of the Puckett Cup at the CSRG Charity
Challenge.

Thank you,   Henry Morrison

__._,_.___
Attachment(s) from Henry Morrison
1 of 1 Photo(s)



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From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com  Sun Aug 15 12:05:52 2010
From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 14:05:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Ever seen this one???
In-Reply-To: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com>
References: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4C682C80.2060705@twcny.rr.com>

cracked block - this is a new block to me and it had a repaired 
headbolt. my machinest gave it the thumbs up but the repair gave out 
when I torqued the head and cracked the block to the water jacket. At 
least I got most of the summer out of it.

Cracks me up, 1/2" and 9/16" wrenches and a 9/16 inch socket along with 
a slotted screwdriver was all it took to remove the head in 20 minutes. 
Gotta love it...

Sigh...

btw a few of you mentioned prestone and race tracks - this is my dad's 
old racer. Its out to pasture these days, autocross and sunday drives.

Thanks

M


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Aug 15 15:21:18 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 14:21:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Ever seen this one???
In-Reply-To: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com>
References: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <036501cb3cbf$cd9141a0$0301a8c0@randall>

> Oil in the radiator WITHOUT oil in the water?

FWIW, I've got a similar symptom : oily residue on the cap but coolant looks
clean.  I believe it's actually the remains of some Barr's Leak (or similar)
that I put in in a vain attempt to stop the headgasket leak.  In spite of
both professional and amateur flushing, I still get oily brown gunk on the
cap.

> Had interesting overheating issue - runs fine 180-190 but 
> when I turn it 
> off, the water boils in the motor/radiator.

That can be a symptom of crud (including old stop leak) built up in the
bottom/back of the block.

> 50:50 prestone... 

Too much, IMO.  70:30 will provide better heat transfer and still protect
against corrosion (and freeze damage down to 0F or so).

> 4 lb cap. 
> Water goes into overflow bottle but does not appear to be pulled back 
> into the radiator when the engine cools.

I had exactly the same problem.  The special 4 lb caps don't seem to hold
vacuum properly, meaning that air gets sucked in through the center of the
cap, instead of drawing water uphill back from the bottle.  Could also be
sucking air through the water pump seal.

My solution was to have my radiator shop install a standard 3/4" fill neck,
so I could use a modern radiator cap.  I haven't actually installed a
recovery bottle yet, but I'm confident it will work when/if I do.

Randall


From jerrybarr at charter.net  Sun Aug 15 16:46:42 2010
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 17:46:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Ever seen this one???
In-Reply-To: <036501cb3cbf$cd9141a0$0301a8c0@randall>
References: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com>
	<036501cb3cbf$cd9141a0$0301a8c0@randall>
Message-ID: <20990D77-2E43-4A71-9452-85892E2BD2E0@charter.net>

Hey! Scott and I take exception to your comment about Barr's leak! I getting
close to 70 and may leak a little but not Scott. In Wisconsin  your mixture
better be 50-50 because we see well below 00.
On Aug 15, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Randall wrote:

>> Oil in the radiator WITHOUT oil in the water?
>
> FWIW, I've got a similar symptom : oily residue on the cap but coolant
looks
> clean.  I believe it's actually the remains of some Barr's Leak (or
similar)
> that I put in in a vain attempt to stop the headgasket leak.  In spite of
> both professional and amateur flushing, I still get oily brown gunk on the
> cap.
>
>> Had interesting overheating issue - runs fine 180-190 but
>> when I turn it
>> off, the water boils in the motor/radiator.
>
> That can be a symptom of crud (including old stop leak) built up in the
> bottom/back of the block.
>
>> 50:50 prestone...
>
> Too much, IMO.  70:30 will provide better heat transfer and still protect
> against corrosion (and freeze damage down to 0F or so).
>
>> 4 lb cap.
>> Water goes into overflow bottle but does not appear to be pulled back
>> into the radiator when the engine cools.
>
> I had exactly the same problem.  The special 4 lb caps don't seem to hold
> vacuum properly, meaning that air gets sucked in through the center of the
> cap, instead of drawing water uphill back from the bottle.  Could also be
> sucking air through the water pump seal.
>
> My solution was to have my radiator shop install a standard 3/4" fill neck,
> so I could use a modern radiator cap.  I haven't actually installed a
> recovery bottle yet, but I'm confident it will work when/if I do.
>
> Randall
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Aug 15 16:52:04 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:52:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Ever seen this one???
References: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com><036501cb3cbf$cd9141a0$0301a8c0@randall>
	<20990D77-2E43-4A71-9452-85892E2BD2E0@charter.net>
Message-ID: <61D726E0A3B14B508B5C3BDEE822FB21@Bud>

Jerry....You get the GOOD HUMOR AWARD for today!...Good Job Man!
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Barr" <jerrybarr at charter.net>
To: "Randall" <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Ever seen this one???


> Hey! Scott and I take exception to your comment about Barr's leak! I 
> getting
> close to 70 and may leak a little but not Scott. In Wisconsin  your 
> mixture
> better be 50-50 because we see well below 00.
> On Aug 15, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Randall wrote:
>
>>> Oil in the radiator WITHOUT oil in the water?
>>
>> FWIW, I've got a similar symptom : oily residue on the cap but coolant
> looks
>> clean.  I believe it's actually the remains of some Barr's Leak (or
> similar)
>> that I put in in a vain attempt to stop the headgasket leak.  In spite of
>> both professional and amateur flushing, I still get oily brown gunk on 
>> the
>> cap.
>>
>>> Had interesting overheating issue - runs fine 180-190 but
>>> when I turn it
>>> off, the water boils in the motor/radiator.
>>
>> That can be a symptom of crud (including old stop leak) built up in the
>> bottom/back of the block.
>>
>>> 50:50 prestone...
>>
>> Too much, IMO.  70:30 will provide better heat transfer and still protect
>> against corrosion (and freeze damage down to 0F or so).
>>
>>> 4 lb cap.
>>> Water goes into overflow bottle but does not appear to be pulled back
>>> into the radiator when the engine cools.
>>
>> I had exactly the same problem.  The special 4 lb caps don't seem to hold
>> vacuum properly, meaning that air gets sucked in through the center of 
>> the
>> cap, instead of drawing water uphill back from the bottle.  Could also be
>> sucking air through the water pump seal.
>>
>> My solution was to have my radiator shop install a standard 3/4" fill 
>> neck,
>> so I could use a modern radiator cap.  I haven't actually installed a
>> recovery bottle yet, but I'm confident it will work when/if I do.
>>
>> Randall
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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>>
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From atr6racer at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 15 17:02:27 2010
From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 19:02:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Wheels and other items
Message-ID: <SNT136-w404E8C3AD56AA0C59D4301F99A0@phx.gbl>

Both sets of Shelby wheels are now sold.

While I'm at it I have some TR6/TR250/TR4A-IRS items that I'll never use
again.

Complete ready to run racing differentials.
All are Welded. I have two 4.1 welded diffs. One was only used once with a new
ring and pinion gear. The other was run quite a bit in my old days. I also
have a 4.3 welded diff that I used once, the ring and pinion came from a
street car and is in great shape.

Newer 4.1  welded diff-  $700
Older  4.1   welded diff-  $500
          4.3   welded diff-  $700

If these don't sell as complete units I'll be taking them apart and will sell
the ring and pinion gears seperately. $250 each or trade for 3.45 and 3.7
gears.

I also have two complete Detroit Locker units and tons of spare parts to go
along. Truth be know is that I just can't use these with my TR6 race cars as I
keep breaking the units right where the ring gear bolts to the diff unit. Too
much power I guess. I once had 6 of these units but I have broken four exactly
as I just described. Until I started making big power back in the 90's the
units worked fine. When they break, it feels like a center came out of your
clutch, but in reality the case where the ring gear is bolted up just shears
away and it just sits and spins with no drive and any further damage to the
diff. Anyway I believe these will fit all IRS TR's, and possibly some other
Beam axles cars also. If you are interested let me know. $500 takes both good
units and all the spares I have left over. if you have any cases for them you
can build at least another two units with all the spare parts I have.

I hate shipping heavy stuff so if you have any interest in any of the above
items let me know and I can haul them to Topeka this coming weekend.


Sam Halkias


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Aug 15 17:09:41 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:09:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Ever seen this one???
In-Reply-To: <20990D77-2E43-4A71-9452-85892E2BD2E0@charter.net>
References: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com><036501cb3cbf$cd9141a0$0301a8c0@randall>
	<20990D77-2E43-4A71-9452-85892E2BD2E0@charter.net>
Message-ID: <038001cb3cce$f178b3a0$0301a8c0@randall>

> Hey! Scott and I take exception to your comment about Barr's 
> leak! 

My apologies to both you and Scott!!  The correct product name is "Bar's
Leaks".

Randall

PS, <G>


From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Aug 15 18:08:51 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 18:08:51 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Garage sale stuff
Message-ID: <4C688193.3080207@bradakis.com>

I too am trying to unload some excess items.  Check out

http://www.team.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=9

Currently listing a TR6 triple Weber manifold, a Kirkey seat,
and some Spitfire SUs and ugly manifold.  This stuff can easily
be hauled to Topeka with me, no shipping charges.

I may be adding more stuff later this evening and tomorrow.

mjb.


From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Aug 16 08:44:56 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 09:44:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Ever seen this one???
References: <4C67F23B.4060404@twcny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001101cb3d51$999adea0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Common on alfas.   look at the head gasket near the
area where the oil feed to the rockers passes thru
a casting porosity is also possible cause

art de armond
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Eginton" <markconsultation at twcny.rr.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 8:57 AM
Subject: [Fot] Ever seen this one???


> Oil in the radiator WITHOUT oil in the water? Figuring head gasket but 
> seems strange... I know I have a head bolt issue. New block had a repair - 
> machinist said it looked good but it topped out at 90 ft lbs.
>
> Had interesting overheating issue - runs fine 180-190 but when I turn it 
> off, the water boils in the motor/radiator. 50:50 prestone... 4 lb cap. 
> Water goes into overflow bottle but does not appear to be pulled back into 
> the radiator when the engine cools. This was before the oil / radiator 
> issue.
>
> M
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Aug 16 08:53:28 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 10:53:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Duryea Hillclimb
In-Reply-To: <BLU139-W25022BF6BE25C89E7C16BBC6990@phx.gbl>
References: <8CD090DE7E72EBB-2268-9@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
	<BLU139-W25022BF6BE25C89E7C16BBC6990@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008161051280.11529@isis.mit.edu>

On Sat, 14 Aug 2010, Rich Rock wrote:

> While many of you will be at Heartland next weekend, there will be some
> Triumphs in Reading, PA for the Duryea Hillclimb.  Registered at this time
> are:
>
> TR4's....Dennis Williams, Dave Miller
> TR7.......Tim Williams
> TR6's.....Richard Good, JK Jackson
>
>
> It's not too late to enter.  Just go to www.pahillclimb.org and download an
> entry form

Ugh - bummer. I have a commitment at NHMS, NER/SCCA has a charity event 
this weekend and a lot of my core workers bailed. Go figure.

Maybe next year!

Tell JK I said "hi". Even if I am a "goddam yankee".

:-)

> Rich Rock
> Chairman, Duryea Hillclimb

regards,
rml
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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 16 09:09:24 2010
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:09:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Topeka and garage sale ...
Message-ID: <287017.63768.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Who from the Wi area is going to Topeka, that might be able to haul Mark B's Kirky seat back ... I'm interested, but would need someone to pick it up from him ....


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire


From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Aug 16 09:28:49 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 11:28:49 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Duryea Hillclimb
Message-ID: <bd96f.4de138ab.399ab331@aol.com>

In a message dated 08/16/2010 9:59:03 AM Central Daylight Time, 
lang at isis.mit.edu writes:


> > While many of you will be at Heartland next weekend, there will be some
> > Triumphs in Reading, PA for the Duryea Hillclimb.  Registered at this 
> time
> > are:
> 

Sure SAD news concerning the eight deaths at the California off road truck 
rally this past week end.  Watch for 20/20 Hind Sight having a big impact on 
that sport.  The trail lawyers ought to have a field day.  I doubt if the 
sanctioning body has deep pockets, but I believe the land is government 
owned.  Taxpayers may end up paying some claims.  

Hill climbs can have such issues as well.  I know the VSCDA used to do Hill 
Climbs at both Lake Geneva and Janesville in Wisconsin.  The Janesville 
event had a lot of historical significance because they used to do it in the 
1950s.  Race teams from around the country would telescope a stop for those  
events on their way to the Elkhart Lake road races.  But the VSCDA was unable 
to handle crowd control, and therefore stopped running those events.  

Bill Dentinger


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Mon Aug 16 10:08:04 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 11:08:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Topeka and garage sale ...
In-Reply-To: <287017.63768.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <287017.63768.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001cb3d5d$36213570$a263a050$@com>

Tom,
Ryan and I are going and could bring it back.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of tom strange
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 10:09 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Topeka and garage sale ...

Who from the Wi area is going to Topeka, that might be able to haul Mark B's
Kirky seat back ... I'm interested, but would need someone to pick it up
from him ....


Tom

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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Aug 16 11:02:20 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 13:02:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Scroll Seal Centering Tool    Last call....
Message-ID: <8CD0B7BEC83965C-3C98-1628@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com>

FOT

I am shipping several tools today.

Offer is good until I return from Topeka next Monday night.

$27 including shipping.  PayPal   =   n197tr4 at cs.com

Price will always be better to FOT but not this good.

Regards,

Joe A


From emanteno at comcast.net  Mon Aug 16 20:48:56 2010
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:48:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Crew Passes for Topeka
Message-ID: <AANLkTin1-LvpQ=AKK5y-X0VC9dFOJsAxttuTJEwEHudW@mail.gmail.com>

Good evening.

If you are going to Heartland Park this weekend and have any crew passes
available (including overcrew), would
you please contact me off list?

Thanks,

Irv Korey


From rjl6n at cstone.net  Tue Aug 17 05:47:38 2010
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 07:47:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Racer
Message-ID: <3474d5d3570e30ca6083a8aa609fa854.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

Hi all,
     Some of you may have already seen this one, but
I thought I'd pass it on.  I know nothing more than
what you see here:

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/1900953451.html

John


From SpiwakD at aol.com  Tue Aug 17 06:01:29 2010
From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:01:29 EDT
Subject: [Fot] For Sale
Message-ID: <d4a2c.38124f2c.399bd419@aol.com>

Prices include shipping
 
steel scattershield for TR3. Covers the front half of the transmission.  
Custom made $45
 
fuel cell 10 or 12 gallons. Couple of minor dents in the bottom from gravel 
 excursions, but nothing serious. Packed with new foam $75
 
TR3 radiator. Stock radiator has just been rodded and leak-tested  $110
 
full set of 5-point belts by Safety Racing. Dark red color and perfect  
condition. Two years old this month. No sun fading. All hardware included. The  
shoulder belts mount on your roll bar. Still has 3 years left(for most of  
you). I have to change every two years for racing in New Jersey. $35
 
TR3 stock distributor with wires. Clean and ready to use $30
 
Dave Spiwak    _spiwakd at aol.com_ (mailto:spiwakd at aol.com) 


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 17 14:00:31 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:00:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] HELMET NEEDED AT TOPEKA
Message-ID: <8CD0C5DFB5B002B-1F80-1771@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com>

I went to buy a helmet and found that the new Snell approved helmets will not
be out until October.

Rather than getting one that will immediately expire, does someone have one I
can borrow?

This will be the first time that we have ever had two cars running at the same
time.

Might be the last, too.

thanks!

Joe


From igofaster at att.net  Tue Aug 17 19:47:19 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 18:47:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Can't make it to Heartland
Message-ID: <97396.66727.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hey Guys... been putting this email off for two days. After working the last 
week for about 30 hours on the GT6, I'm still not ready with the car. It busts 
my nuts to miss out on the event, but I'm still not running right after a 
complete rebuild on the GT6 motor. I've assembled the car and even ridden around 
the block sunday afternoon and I cannot get the back cylinders to fire. I've 
checked the SU's as best as I can and even installed those kick ass Mikunis from 
prirace.com and still not register of firing out of 4-5-6 cylinders. I've got 
spark, just no registration of gas O2 mixture on the EGR meter. My next step is 
to check the valves again, although I do stuff like that 3 times anyway. Point 
is, I should be loaded up tonight ready to hit the road in the a.m. and it ain't 
happening. It's busts my nuts... did I mention that? Anyway... I guess I get the 
tee shirt and that's about it... I'll post more as I move forward. My goal is to 
be at CVAR in September... yea I know Bob Kramer and Joe Hovey amongst others 
are coming from the CVAR group... I'll be there in spirit... Have a great 
time... I'll miss playing guitar with the bagpipes  : )  ....
BLUES man, BLUES....
Bobby Whitehead


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 17 20:04:34 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:04:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Product at TOPEKA
Message-ID: <8CD0C90D65F28BE-1BB8-9BA8@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com>

FOT,

I am bringing some stuff for various people as they have requested. Outside of
that I am bringing one or two pieces of a variety of stuff for display in the
vendor area.

I dont have Chris Marx' viton seals, yet, but I have the modified scroll seals
and Scroll Centering Tools..a few of them. Chris says North America will have
the seals by the end of August

Larry Young will have a performance cam with him and ready to discuss them.

Tony Drews will have a newly processed UJR ALLOY FRONT HUB on display and a
pair on his car. He expects to release several hub sets to production by
September and should be able to ship at that time frame. Not cheap, but well
designed and competively priced. He will also have the UJR HD AXLE SPINDLES
AND SPACERS on hand.

Ed Barnard will have some new Spitfire induction components to show.

I will have a small number of Kas' last three books on hand....buy them and
have him sign them.

Kas' new book may be printed in September....his printer is so excited about
Kas' new book that he is going to join us in Topeka.

A new AMBRO body in laid up fibreglass will be on display along with THREE
AMBROs at TOPEKA. Bill Bonadio will be on hand to discuss the Ambro/Dio in
detail.

I have the AMBRO trailer built by TOURNIER MANUFACTURING for anyone to see. It
can be built to your own specifications. This is the best trailer I have ever
owned and they can custom build a trailer at production prices.

Joe


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 17 20:07:45 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:07:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Can't make it to Heartland
In-Reply-To: <97396.66727.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <97396.66727.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CD0C914859BF7E-1BB8-9C6B@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com>

Cant you come without the car?....you dont need no stink'n car to have a good
time with your friends.





-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
To: Bill Rinke <brinke at cebridge.net>
Cc: Gary Fugua <GSFuqua1 at aol.com>; FoT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:47 pm
Subject: [Fot] Can't make it to Heartland


Hey Guys... been putting this email off for two days. After working the last
eek for about 30 hours on the GT6, I'm still not ready with the car. It busts
y nuts to miss out on the event, but I'm still not running right after a
omplete rebuild on the GT6 motor. I've assembled the car and even ridden
around
the block sunday afternoon and I cannot get the back cylinders to fire. I've
hecked the SU's as best as I can and even installed those kick ass Mikunis
from
prirace.com and still not register of firing out of 4-5-6 cylinders. I've got
park, just no registration of gas O2 mixture on the EGR meter. My next step is
o check the valves again, although I do stuff like that 3 times anyway. Point
s, I should be loaded up tonight ready to hit the road in the a.m. and it
ain't
happening. It's busts my nuts... did I mention that? Anyway... I guess I get
the
tee shirt and that's about it... I'll post more as I move forward. My goal is
to
be at CVAR in September... yea I know Bob Kramer and Joe Hovey amongst others
re coming from the CVAR group... I'll be there in spirit... Have a great
ime... I'll miss playing guitar with the bagpipes  : )  ....
LUES man, BLUES....
obby Whitehead
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From d.hesse at charter.net  Wed Aug 18 06:11:25 2010
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 5:11:25 -0700
Subject: [Fot] HELMET NEEDED AT TOPEKA
In-Reply-To: <8CD0C5DFB5B002B-1F80-1771@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100818081125.XOQLG.7156369.root@mp08>

Joe,
What size helmet you looking for? If anyone is going from the Madison WI area you're welcome to use mine. It's even wired for radio setup should you need that. Just let me know who/how to get it to them or you.
Dave Hesse
Portage WI
608-617-5667

---- n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:

=============
I went to buy a helmet and found that the new Snell approved helmets will not
be out until October.

Rather than getting one that will immediately expire, does someone have one I
can borrow?

This will be the first time that we have ever had two cars running at the same
time.

Might be the last, too.

thanks!

Joe
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Wed Aug 18 09:31:30 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:31:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] LA/OC/SD member going to Heartland Park
Message-ID: <AANLkTimwBrSb+Mx-yRtVCdfRY+-v8x_T2xU3KYMDWmpD@mail.gmail.com>

If anyone from Southern California would like to go I have an extra seat
available leaving tonight and back on Monday. Please contact me off list.


From whitedog72 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 18 15:27:23 2010
From: whitedog72 at hotmail.com (f s)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:27:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] St. L ouis All British Car Show
Message-ID: <BAY138-W496717E8DA656517BDC08C19D0@phx.gbl>

Hi All,
 This is kind of spam, but good spam. St. Louis All British Car show is a great little show and We are always outnumbered by MG's. So we are calling out all Triumphs around Missouri to come and help us out number MG's For once. 
 
Thanks
Andy 
72 EP Gt6
79 Spitfire
Barn full of projects. 
 
 
Get ready for an-other great show in St Louis, the 
Gateway to the West. 
This year!/s featured marque is Jaguar. 
Fri 10 September!*Parking Lot Party/BBQ for the St Louis ABCC, hosted by All British Car Repair at the host hotel, Red Roof Inn, Westport. 
11 Sept 2010 (C The Annual St Louis All British Car & Cycle Show, Creve Coeur Lake Park. Sponsors include All British Car Repair ((DThe MG Doc!,), Al!.s Automotive Supply, Conrad Press, Ltd., Hagerty Insurance, Hyman Ltd Classic Cars and Apple Hydraulics, Inc. 
Website at www.allbritishcarshow.com, 
online registration now available.  		 	   		  


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 18 16:39:26 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:39:26 -0600
Subject: [Fot] K.C. airport shuttle?
Message-ID: <DB21EEFA-1EE6-4F79-8C73-EE33DC8CC87A@earthlink.net>

Anyone plan on passing thru Kansas City tomorrow night? In theory I  
should pick Connie up at 9:30pm tomorrow at the K.C. airport and now  
there's a problem - After months in the works the T-shirts are now 3  
days overdue. If at all possible, I ain't leaving without them. If I  
can't get there in time for her flight she's going to have to rent a  
car, take a expensive shuttle, or bum a ride. Still possible I'll get  
there in time but...
Thanks,

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 18 16:58:44 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:58:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] K.C. airport shuttle?
In-Reply-To: <DB21EEFA-1EE6-4F79-8C73-EE33DC8CC87A@earthlink.net>
References: <DB21EEFA-1EE6-4F79-8C73-EE33DC8CC87A@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8CD0D400AE6BF2B-D00-3F71@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
To: fot Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:39 pm
Subject: [Fot] K.C. airport shuttle?


Anyone plan on passing thru Kansas City tomorrow night? In theory I should
pick Connie up at 9:30pm tomorrow at the K.C. airport and now there's a
problem - After months in the works the T-shirts are now 3 days overdue. If at
all possible, I ain't leaving without them. If I can't get there in time for
her flight she's going to have to rent a car, take a expensive shuttle, or bum
a ride. Still possible I'll get there in time but...
Thanks,

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
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From bluebit at comcast.net  Wed Aug 18 18:10:50 2010
From: bluebit at comcast.net (Jim%20Roelofs)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 00:10:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] racing fuel at HPT
Message-ID: <838545785.40911.1282176650470.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Sorry if I missed published information. Can anyone tell me if racing fuel will be available at Topeka? 

Jim Roelofs 
303-862-9371 (h) 
303-629-3545 (w) 
bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred) 


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 18 21:51:15 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:51:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] K.C. airport shuttle?
In-Reply-To: <8CD0D400AE6BF2B-D00-3F71@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com>
References: <DB21EEFA-1EE6-4F79-8C73-EE33DC8CC87A@earthlink.net>
	<8CD0D400AE6BF2B-D00-3F71@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <82120987-51CA-4D1C-8F6A-D069AFABB46B@earthlink.net>

Got the shirts. Got the airport details worked out. Got the inland  
freighter ready to be escorted out of the harbor. Got 800 miles ahead  
of me. Life is good.
See ya' in Topeka.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Aug 18, 2010, at 4:58 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:

>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
> To: fot Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:39 pm
> Subject: [Fot] K.C. airport shuttle?
>
> Anyone plan on passing thru Kansas City tomorrow night? In theory I  
> should pick Connie up at 9:30pm tomorrow at the K.C. airport and  
> now there's a problem - After months in the works the T-shirts are  
> now 3 days overdue. If at all possible, I ain't leaving without  
> them. If I can't get there in time for her flight she's going to  
> have to rent a car, take a expensive shuttle, or bum a ride. Still  
> possible I'll get there in time but...
> Thanks,
>
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Aug 19 11:00:06 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:00:06 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Fot] So long, farewell, ...
Message-ID: <20100819170006.193882E0D2@bradakis.com>

Okay, just about ready to roll on out of here.  Will see
some of you this weekend, should be fun.

I hope the servers behave themselves while I'm away.

mjb.


From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug 19 12:21:03 2010
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:21:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] So long, farewell, ...
In-Reply-To: <20100819170006.193882E0D2@bradakis.com>
References: <20100819170006.193882E0D2@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <284618.78980.qm@web80805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I hope you didn't say anything to the servers. They will miss you.
________________________________
From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To:
fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 1:00:06 PM
Subject: [Fot] So
long, farewell, ...

Okay, just about ready to roll on out of here.  Will see
some of you this weekend, should be fun.

I hope the servers behave themselves
while I'm away.

mjb.
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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug 19 12:23:45 2010
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:23:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
Message-ID: <41630.26439.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I know its bad timing because a lot of the midwesterners are headed for Topeka
... but I'm wondering if anyone is planning to run the ELVF next month ...
weekend of the 10th of Sep ...  If I'm going I need to fax in the entry today
or tomorrow.  I'm borderline on running it so I'm wondering if I would have
any company ...  spits ... gt6's ....  2s ... 3s ... 4s ... 6s ... ambros ....
anyone?


Tom

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#4 white spitfire


From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug 19 14:17:56 2010
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:17:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
In-Reply-To: <41630.26439.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <535627.10443.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Due to a question about my previous email ... yes Tr250's, Heralds,
Mayflowers, Standard 8's, Standard 10's and any other configuration of
Triumphs are welcome .... 
 
Sheesh ... wouldnt you know a lawyer would want to know who might have been
left out and slighted ;>)))))))))


Tom

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--- On Thu, 8/19/10, tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


From: tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
To: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 1:23 PM


I know its bad timing because a lot of the midwesterners are headed for
Topeka
... but I'm wondering if anyone is planning to run the ELVF next month ...
weekend of the 10th of Sep ...  If I'm going I need to fax in the entry today
or tomorrow.  I'm borderline on running it so I'm wondering if I would have
any company ...  spits ... gt6's ....  2s ... 3s ... 4s ... 6s ... ambros
....
anyone?


Tom

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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Aug 19 18:55:55 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:55:55 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
Message-ID: <20100820005555.58F162E0C0@bradakis.com>

http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=105


mjb, the lucky lad.


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 19 19:18:43 2010
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:18:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Oxford Ohio
Message-ID: <BAY123-W3249A883591237E9A849BBA9F0@phx.gbl>

Any FOT located in the Oxford Ohio area? Contact me if you have time, have a
request.

Marty


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Aug 19 19:19:56 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:19:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
In-Reply-To: <41630.26439.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <41630.26439.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CD0E1CEF6F02E4-1814-6CA4@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com>

I am thinking strongly about it. If I get through Topeka.





-----Original Message-----
From: tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Aug 19, 2010 1:23 pm
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America


I know its bad timing because a lot of the midwesterners are headed for
Topeka
.. but I'm wondering if anyone is planning to run the ELVF next month ...
eekend of the 10th of Sep ...  If I'm going I need to fax in the entry today
r tomorrow.  I'm borderline on running it so I'm wondering if I would have
ny company ...  spits ... gt6's ....  2s ... 3s ... 4s ... 6s ... ambros ....
nyone?

om
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Aug 19 19:37:08 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:37:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
In-Reply-To: <20100820005555.58F162E0C0@bradakis.com>
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OH NO!

>From Topeka.

Joe










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Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A


http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=105

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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Thu Aug 19 19:44:26 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:44:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
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Message-ID: <801826.90806.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Wow

Looks like your lucky day. Buy a lottery ticket. Very glad to hear that you
were not seriously hurt.

Paul

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Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A

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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Aug 19 20:20:58 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:20:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
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Wow Mark, I am sorry for your misfortune but thankful you are alive.  I
guess that pretty much puts the KABASH on your trip.

Joe

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From jibjib at att.net  Thu Aug 19 21:32:33 2010
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:32:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
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Mark,

I'm very sorry to hear about the accident, but I'm incredibly glad to hear
about it from you.

Jack

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Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:56 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A

http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=105


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From aerodin at swbell.net  Thu Aug 19 23:20:31 2010
From: aerodin at swbell.net (T.R. Young)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 23:20:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
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Message-ID: <4C6E109F.1070406@swbell.net>

Wow, Mark, You can get another CRV but not another MJB! Here's to 
telling the tale! Awfully glad you're OK.

-Tom

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Aug 20 00:04:54 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:04:54 +0200
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
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Sorry to hear that.
That was a serious impact.
Good that you are not badly injured.

Head Up!

Chris

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Aug 20 06:05:16 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:05:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
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Damn.

Glad you're okay, though.

rml
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Fri Aug 20 19:46:20 2010
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 21:46:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
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It so repetitive, there is only. glad your ok  and this to shall pass.  I 
have never liked the seat belt fitment in my van. We just can't help feeling 
safe as milk un till   were not. I will be stopping forward motion with my 
neck as well.         rob
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From LimeyV8 at aol.com  Sat Aug 21 20:31:34 2010
From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:31:34 EDT
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing...
Message-ID: <24ace.6bde361f.39a1e606@aol.com>

...is pleased to report that our Chump Car TR6 ran for all 7 hours  of our 
first Chump Car Race at Roebling Road today - and finished 14th  (of 34 
cars) overall ! 
 
Everyone (including us) was amazed - and all 5 drivers are all grins  
tonight.
 
I can't wait to do it again tomorrow.
 
Cheers,
Jack Mc


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Aug 22 16:47:56 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:47:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <8CD106332C3B5DF-1B10-1F737@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com>

FoT,

When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition,
this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.

The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.

Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after a
great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.

This is what it is all about......

John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at Leguna
Seca next June.  More details to follow.

Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.

We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
beverages.

Joe Alexander


From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Sun Aug 22 17:27:47 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:27:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=acc92jZeFBCeh2s=Z=K2z+szFzyuE0f_jMxYA@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations to Kieth Files for winning the 2010 Kastner Cup. In an epic
race won by 2009 SCCA E Production champion Sam Halkias, Kieth finished a
close second in his blazingly fast TR4. Followed closely by Tony Drews and
Jeff Snooker there were several great drives by Sean and Joe Alexander, Ryan
Murphy, Greg Hilyer and Dennis De Lap and others.  Full report will follow
along with photos.  Next race will be in June 2011 at Laguna Secs.


From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Aug 22 18:51:53 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:51:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <8CD106332C3B5DF-1B10-1F737@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD106332C3B5DF-1B10-1F737@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C71C629.1090008@bradakis.com>

Don't believe a word of it. It is all a hoax, a global conspiracy.  I'm 
sure it
was a miserable weekend, no one had any fun, it is a good thing I didn't
waste my time and money getting there for the festivities.

If you believe that, I have the title for this bridge....


I wish circumstances had been different, sounds like I missed a good one.

mjb.


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Aug 22 20:20:46 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 19:20:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <4C71C629.1090008@bradakis.com>
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	<4C71C629.1090008@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <0ae201cb4269$cc50ae70$0301a8c0@randall>

> I wish circumstances had been different, sounds like I missed 
> a good one.

The important part is that you've got a shot at the next one!

Randall


From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun Aug 22 20:42:37 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:42:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
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References: <8CD106332C3B5DF-1B10-1F737@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C71E01D.9040304@pobox.com>

And...... the Bill Ames award was passed to Bob Kramer.  Bob has helped 
countless Triumphs get on or back on to the race track.  He's one of the 
best drivers I know.  He gives away parts, is a gentleman racer, and he 
has towed to almost all of the FoT focus events.  A great guy and worthy 
recipient.
-Larry Young

n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> FoT,
>
> When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition,
> this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
>
> The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
>
> Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after a
> great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
>
> This is what it is all about......
>
> John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at Leguna
> Seca next June.  More details to follow.
>
> Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.
>
> We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
> beverages.
>
> Joe Alexander
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Sun Aug 22 20:45:21 2010
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 02:45:21 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <1248693770-1282531514-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-399854327-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Congratulations to Keith....well deserved.  So wonderfull to hear all the accolades. 
Laguna Seca next year.. What a treat. 

------Original Message------
From: Joe Alexander
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
Sent: Aug 22, 2010 3:47 PM

FoT,

When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition,
this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.

The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.

Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after a
great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.

This is what it is all about......

John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at Leguna
Seca next June.  More details to follow.

Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.

We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
beverages.

Joe Alexander
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Aug 23 00:15:36 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 00:15:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
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	<DFEBE4E0B99B41A0AF50A95B5927D565@INSPIRON>
Message-ID: <4C721208.6080805@bradakis.com>

I'd like to thank you all for your kind and caring responses
to the news of my mishap on the highway.  It is nice to know
that many of you appreciate what it is I do with Team.Net.

And it reminded me that I should make some sort of contingency
plan to keep it going.  Had the incident on thursday been fatal,
Team.Net would have just fizzled out, no warning, no notice.
That would not be good.

When I wrote about Plan A, I was thinking there might be a Plan B.
I could have gotten a flight to Kansas, rented a car and made it to
the event at Heartland Park.  But even with a strong desire to make
it to the races regardless of circumstance, I think it was prudent to
sit home and lick my wounds, so to speak.  Having a serious side
effect or internal injury crop up many miles from home would not be
a good thing.

Again, my thanks to all for your concern.

mjb.


From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Mon Aug 23 01:23:07 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 00:23:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] So much for Plan A
In-Reply-To: <4C721208.6080805@bradakis.com>
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Dear Mark :
It would hearten you to know that I heard on more than several occasions how
disappointed we all were at your absence but gladdened that you were all
right.  We expect to see you next year to express our appreciation for all
that you do. It is highly unlikely that any of what makes this group so
wonderful would be possible without you. Thank you again.

On Aug 23, 2010 2:17 AM, "Mark J Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> I'd like to thank you all for your kind and caring responses
> to the news of my mishap on the highway. It is nice to know
> that many of you appreciate what it is I do with Team.Net.
>
> And it reminded me that I should make some sort of contingency
> plan to keep it going. Had the incident on thursday been fatal,
> Team.Net would have just fizzled out, no warning, no notice.
> That would not be good.
>
> When I wrote about Plan A, I was thinking there might be a Plan B.
> I could have gotten a flight to Kansas, rented a car and made it to
> the event at Heartland Park. But even with a strong desire to make
> it to the races regardless of circumstance, I think it was prudent to
> sit home and lick my wounds, so to speak. Having a serious side
> effect or internal injury crop up many miles from home would not be
> a good thing.
>
> Again, my thanks to all for your concern.
>
> mjb.
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 23 06:37:30 2010
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 05:37:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <4C71E01D.9040304@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <587337.60931.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Congrats, Mr. Kramer.

--- On Sun, 8/22/10, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:


From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
To: n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 9:42 PM


And...... the Bill Ames award was passed to Bob Kramer.  Bob has helped
countless Triumphs get on or back on to the race track.  He's one of the
best drivers I know.  He gives away parts, is a gentleman racer, and he
has towed to almost all of the FoT focus events.  A great guy and worthy
recipient.
-Larry Young

n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> FoT,
>
> When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition,
> this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
>
> The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
>
> Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after
a
> great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
>
> This is what it is all about......
>
> John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at
Leguna
> Seca next June.  More details to follow.
>
> Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.
>
> We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
> beverages.
>
> Joe Alexander
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Mon Aug 23 13:43:59 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:43:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <AC95D585B8BD49BB9C16B6846E5CF7D8@latitudefb1e41>

I drove through the night and made it home at 5:30 this morning. The one
hour nap at the TX border helped. For all the worries about heat I think we
had a great weekend. Even the thunder boomers Friday were somewhat enjoyable
to this TX guy. The cloud cover Saturday and the breeze all weekend kept us
cool enough in the shade, if you had a good supply of dry t-shirts. Now that
I'm home I recognize that I lied to you all, it is hotter here. Oh well,
I'll have to unload anyway. I have a few shirts left.

I met a lot of people whose names I recognized from the list and I've got to
tell those that weren't able to make it that the FoT is growing and more
vibrant than ever. That Colorado clan has something going on there. What a
nice group of folks. Seeing them all together reminded me of my first FoT
exposure at Blackhawk Farms when Joe put me up in a tent for the weekend.
That type of camaraderie is the fiber that runs through all of us. I was
really pleased to see the young guys running and hear about even more in the
pipeline. My son had a great time and I think he is hooked for good. Thanks
for welcoming him. In his tired old TR4 he managed to get within 4 seconds
of his old man on our best laps. I'll need to get bigger mirrors for the
future.

Thank you  Larry for honoring me with the Bill Ames Award. I meant it when I
said that I was surrounded by a large group of people just like me, that all
deserve this award. I help where I can and so does everyone else. It's that
FoT fiber thing. When I started I learned so much from people like Joe, Jack
and Hardy P, as well as Ken G and Ted S and a long list of others along the
way. I still have a lot to learn. It was pretty cool to paddock nect to the
Champ. Sam is a genuine good guy. Racing his TR6 with the SCCA at the
highest levels might seem to put him in a different world, but he just like
us in every other way. Thanks Sam.

Are we going to be able look at laptimes on MyLaps, but I don't know for
sure. Bill or Gary, is that going to happen? I got in the habit of not
picking up laptimes at CVAR races because the data gets to MyLaps so
quickly.Just wondering.

Laguna Seca! I'll probably MapQuest the route a few dozen time this week. :)

Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch
excellence.
Vince Lombardi


From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Aug 23 13:44:20 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:44:20 EDT
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
Message-ID: <7f546.41f8982e.39a42994@aol.com>

In a message dated 08/19/2010 2:06:52 PM Central Daylight Time, 
tstrange at sbcglobal.net writes:


> I know its bad timing because a lot of the midwesterners are headed for 
> Topeka
> ... but I'm wondering if anyone is planning to run the ELVF next month ...
> weekend of the 10th of Sep ...  If I'm going I need to fax in the entry 
> today
> or tomorrow.  I'm borderline on running it so I'm wondering if I would 
> have
> any company ...  spits ... gt6's ....  2s ... 3s ... 4s ... 6s ... ambros 
> ....
> anyone?
> 
> 

Tom...

Bob Wismer and I have never (ever) missed an Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival. 
 And God willing...we won't miss this one.  And of course, the Elkhart Lake 
Vintage Festival is certainly not restricted to Midwesterners.  Great 
Chance to race one of the world's great road racing circuits, and enjoy 
Wisconsin's Indian Summer as well.

Bill Dentinger


Bill Dentinger


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Mon Aug 23 17:24:15 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:24:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
In-Reply-To: <7f546.41f8982e.39a42994@aol.com>
References: <7f546.41f8982e.39a42994@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004001cb431a$4e392650$eaab72f0$@com>

Ryan and I are planning to be there.  My turn to drive, hope we don't break
again this year.  After Topeka and the car running really good, we're pretty
optimistic.

Ryan and I were really pleased to be able to make the Kastner Cup for the
first time.  All the way back we were talking about how we could arrange to
get to Laguna Seca.  We had a fantastic time in Topeka.  Well worth the 1300
miles of towing!

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 2:44 PM
To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] ELVF at Road America

In a message dated 08/19/2010 2:06:52 PM Central Daylight Time, 
tstrange at sbcglobal.net writes:


> I know its bad timing because a lot of the midwesterners are headed for 
> Topeka
> ... but I'm wondering if anyone is planning to run the ELVF next month ...
> weekend of the 10th of Sep ...  If I'm going I need to fax in the entry 
> today
> or tomorrow.  I'm borderline on running it so I'm wondering if I would 
> have
> any company ...  spits ... gt6's ....  2s ... 3s ... 4s ... 6s ... ambros 
> ....
> anyone?
> 
> 

Tom...

Bob Wismer and I have never (ever) missed an Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival. 
 And God willing...we won't miss this one.  And of course, the Elkhart Lake 
Vintage Festival is certainly not restricted to Midwesterners.  Great 
Chance to race one of the world's great road racing circuits, and enjoy 
Wisconsin's Indian Summer as well.

Bill Dentinger


Bill Dentinger
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 23 18:13:18 2010
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:13:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Ambassador John Nikas
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=acc92jZeFBCeh2s=Z=K2z+szFzyuE0f_jMxYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=acc92jZeFBCeh2s=Z=K2z+szFzyuE0f_jMxYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <565950.74401.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI - I have to say that whenever our annual FOT event brings the East and
the 
West together the Triumph energy takes a quantum leap.  West coasters -
your 
presence was felt thru John.  Thanks for getting him out to Topeka. 
Also a big thank you to Gary Fuqua, Joe Alexander and Kas for having faith in
Heartland Park during August.

I just got back to Illinois and already miss
the sight of all of those racing 
TR4's
Thanks everyone.
Dennis


From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Aug 23 18:13:11 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:13:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
In-Reply-To: <004001cb431a$4e392650$eaab72f0$@com>
References: <7f546.41f8982e.39a42994@aol.com>
	<004001cb431a$4e392650$eaab72f0$@com>
Message-ID: <20100824001234.3D7FE187645@autox.team.net>

I'll be there too.  Sending in my entry now.

Tony Drews

At 06:24 PM 8/23/2010, Tim Murphy wrote:
>Ryan and I are planning to be there.  My turn to drive, hope we don't break
>again this year.  After Topeka and the car running really good, we're pretty
>optimistic.
>
>Ryan and I were really pleased to be able to make the Kastner Cup for the
>first time.  All the way back we were talking about how we could arrange to
>get to Laguna Seca.  We had a fantastic time in Topeka.  Well worth the 1300
>miles of towing!
>
>Tim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
>Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 2:44 PM
>To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net; fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
>
>In a message dated 08/19/2010 2:06:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
>tstrange at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>
> > I know its bad timing because a lot of the midwesterners are headed for
> > Topeka
> > ... but I'm wondering if anyone is planning to run the ELVF next month ...
> > weekend of the 10th of Sep ...  If I'm going I need to fax in the entry
> > today
> > or tomorrow.  I'm borderline on running it so I'm wondering if I would
> > have
> > any company ...  spits ... gt6's ....  2s ... 3s ... 4s ... 6s ... ambros
> > ....
> > anyone?
> >
> >
>
>Tom...
>
>Bob Wismer and I have never (ever) missed an Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival.
>  And God willing...we won't miss this one.  And of course, the Elkhart Lake
>Vintage Festival is certainly not restricted to Midwesterners.  Great
>Chance to race one of the world's great road racing circuits, and enjoy
>Wisconsin's Indian Summer as well.
>
>Bill Dentinger
>
>
>Bill Dentinger
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon Aug 23 18:29:25 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:29:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Just back from Topeka...
Message-ID: <BAY157-ds8459FD22FF5FC930AAA66C3830@phx.gbl>

Folks,

Just wanted to say that I personally had a great time, and it was a pleasure
to finally match up some names from the list to actual faces, and to meet many
new people as well.  There is genuine meaning to our "Amici Triumphi" motto
from the FOT coat of arms.  The heat and distance all pale in the warm light
of the camaraderie of our merry band.  It is truly an honor to be a part of
FOT.

Good cars, good competition, and great people.  Does it get any better than
that?

Thanks again for a wonderful time.


Terry Stetler


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Aug 23 18:54:39 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:54:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
In-Reply-To: <004001cb431a$4e392650$eaab72f0$@com>
References: <7f546.41f8982e.39a42994@aol.com>
	<004001cb431a$4e392650$eaab72f0$@com>
Message-ID: <8CD113E10D4FBB6-2258-3ACD@webmail-d050.sysops.aol.com>

I'd like to be there, but unlikely to run.

It will be an excellent weekend at Road America with the 60th Anniversary
being celebrated.

It's a must do.






-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Murphy <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: BillDentin at aol.com; tstrange at sbcglobal.net; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:24 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] ELVF at Road America


Ryan and I are planning to be there.  My turn to drive, hope we don't break
gain this year.  After Topeka and the car running really good, we're pretty
ptimistic.
Ryan and I were really pleased to be able to make the Kastner Cup for the
irst time.  All the way back we were talking about how we could arrange to
et to Laguna Seca.  We had a fantastic time in Topeka.  Well worth the 1300
iles of towing!
Tim
-----Original Message-----
rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
ehalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
ent: Monday, August 23, 2010 2:44 PM
o: tstrange at sbcglobal.net; fot at autox.team.net
ubject: Re: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
In a message dated 08/19/2010 2:06:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
strange at sbcglobal.net writes:

 I know its bad timing because a lot of the midwesterners are headed for
 Topeka
 ... but I'm wondering if anyone is planning to run the ELVF next month ...
 weekend of the 10th of Sep ...  If I'm going I need to fax in the entry
 today
 or tomorrow.  I'm borderline on running it so I'm wondering if I would
 have
 any company ...  spits ... gt6's ....  2s ... 3s ... 4s ... 6s ... ambros
 ....
 anyone?


Tom...
Bob Wismer and I have never (ever) missed an Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival.
And God willing...we won't miss this one.  And of course, the Elkhart Lake
intage Festival is certainly not restricted to Midwesterners.  Great
hance to race one of the world's great road racing circuits, and enjoy
isconsin's Indian Summer as well.
Bill Dentinger

ill Dentinger
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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Mon Aug 23 19:41:00 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:41:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6/Spitfire master cylinder bracket
Message-ID: <4C73232C.4000701@cfl.rr.com>

  Does anyone have a spare brake/clutch master cylinder mounting bracket 
they would like to sell?

thxx,
Bob


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Aug 23 20:00:43 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:00:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Larry Young Camshaft
Message-ID: <8CD11474B8A43FE-AF0-65EF@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com>

FOT,

We think the Larry Young camshaft brought life to our engine in our prefered
RPM range, that it has never seen before.

We have another on order.

It would be good to have an order of six, according to Larry.

This might be a good time to jump in on the fastwagon.

Joe & Sean


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Aug 23 20:35:50 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:35:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS   Plan A
Message-ID: <8CD114C338C699E-AF0-6D49@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com>

FOT:

I heard a rumor that a 'cracked' billet crank could be repaired....at a high
cost.

I have a billet crank that does not 'ring' true when tapped by a hammer.

It is assumed that it is defective.

Does any one have knowledge of reclaiming said crank?

Might be a good topic for all.

Thanks!

Joe & Sean


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Aug 23 21:00:12 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:00:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO REUNION / GATHERING A SUCCESS at Topeka
Message-ID: <8CD114F9AFF2BFE-AF0-7210@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com>

FOT and TOPEKA ENTRANTS

You might have noticed.....there were three AMBROs at TOPEKA.

One writer was fascinated by AMBRO #97 and wanted to do a short article in a
magazine. We gathered the three Ambros together for a photo shoot and they may
make appearances in the higher quality Vintage/Classic magazines. Fun stuff,
especially after all of the work building one and running it for the first
time.

The two other AMBROS are owned by Bill Bonadio (Chev V-8) and Mike Fuchs
(Chevy V-8)


Status of current AMBRO builds:

AMBRO    ARE-001    TR4    powered     finished
AMBRO    ARE-002    MG    powered      work in process
AMBRO    ARE-003    GT6   powered      work in process
AMBRO    ARE-004    GT6   powered      shipped
AMBRO    ARE-005    ------   powered      proposal pending

These build efforts are a tribute to Bill Ames.

Additionally, the most recent recipient of the Bill Ames Memorial was Bob
Kramer when Larry Young passed it on to Bob at TOPEKA.

Very deservedly so.......Congratulations Bob!

Joe A


From aerodin at swbell.net  Mon Aug 23 21:05:41 2010
From: aerodin at swbell.net (T.R. Young)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:05:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <4C71E01D.9040304@pobox.com>
References: <8CD106332C3B5DF-1B10-1F737@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com>
	<4C71E01D.9040304@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <4C733705.9070303@swbell.net>

Here Here! Well deserved, Bob!

On 8/22/2010 8:42 PM, Larry Young wrote:
> And...... the Bill Ames award was passed to Bob Kramer.  Bob has helped
> countless Triumphs get on or back on to the race track.  He's one of the
> best drivers I know.  He gives away parts, is a gentleman racer, and he
> has towed to almost all of the FoT focus events.  A great guy and worthy
> recipient.
> -Larry Young
>
> n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
>    
>> FoT,
>>
>> When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition,
>> this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
>>
>> The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
>>
>> Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after a
>> great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
>>
>> This is what it is all about......
>>
>> John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at Leguna
>> Seca next June.  More details to follow.
>>
>> Of course Kas&  Peg were a delight.
>>
>> We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
>> beverages.
>>
>> Joe Alexander
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Tue Aug 24 03:14:02 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 02:14:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] We made it!
Message-ID: <AANLkTin4JBfTaU8RhXoihQT+cDLVSAkb0ucbzj2hwWzm@mail.gmail.com>

Just wanted to let you know that after 29 hours and 1669 miles Luke and I
are just now arriving in Orange County.  It was a perfect weekend.  Thanks
to you all so much. Luke said pictures will be up by the end of the week.


From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Tue Aug 24 06:27:23 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:27:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America
References: <41630.26439.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008301cb4387$b507e2f0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

I'm headed for Watkins Glen that weekend. Too bad that there's a date
conflict.
As for the meeting in June; not that I plan on going, but it seems Monterey
is 2662 miles away from Erie, 43 hours driving time (give or take), and I've
never seen the Pacific Ocean.............Plus my long deceased brother went
to U of W.  I could always go to Seattle for a tour and maybe do a race
there too, just to fill out the trip......
California dreaming......
Bill----- Original Message -----
From: "tom strange" <tstrange at sbcglobal.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 2:23 PM
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America


> I know its bad timing because a lot of the midwesterners are headed for
Topeka
> ... but I'm wondering if anyone is planning to run the ELVF next month ...
> weekend of the 10th of Sep ...  If I'm going I need to fax in the entry
today
> or tomorrow.  I'm borderline on running it so I'm wondering if I would
have
> any company ...  spits ... gt6's ....  2s ... 3s ... 4s ... 6s ... ambros
....
> anyone?
>
>
> Tom
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm
>
>
> #4 white spitfire
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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Tue Aug 24 07:36:03 2010
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:36:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca
Message-ID: <AANLkTikHfPcPaunz7tX1wwXn0PeWvo-vTUndJ37CxgP2@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know if this is to early to start thinking about how some of
us Easterners (yes I consider myself an Easterner because we live in
the eastern time zone!) can maybe get together and rent a transporter
to make the trip.

I've dealt with two different transporters that I would trust with our
vehicles.  One uses an enclosed trailer that could handle probably 6
vehicles.  The other is a hot shot trucker with an open 40 foot
trailer that could probably haul 3 cars plus misc equipment.  Most
people don't like open trailers and the only reason I mention this guy
is I consider him trust worthy and I know he watches over his loads
wherever he goes.

Depending on circumstances we might be interested in sharing a common
transport with others that want to head from the easter half of the
country to Laguna Seca.

So for those of you who might want to have your car transported to CA
and back feel free to contact me off list.

Brad


From herald948 at aol.com  Tue Aug 24 08:35:14 2010
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:35:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] GT6/Spitfire master cylinder bracket
In-Reply-To: <4C73232C.4000701@cfl.rr.com>
References: <4C73232C.4000701@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8CD11B0B28338E3-30C-50E@webmail-d056.sysops.aol.com>

 Which bracket do you want? Depending on the year, they are very different
(inasmuch as some of the brake master mounting brackets are much more
reinforced). That said, I'm afraid I don't have any to spare (either way) at
the moment.



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

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Register: http://www.vtr.org

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-----Original Message-----
From: Bob <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>

  Does anyone have a spare brake/clutch master cylinder mounting bracket they
would like to sell?


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 24 08:42:49 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:42:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikHfPcPaunz7tX1wwXn0PeWvo-vTUndJ37CxgP2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikHfPcPaunz7tX1wwXn0PeWvo-vTUndJ37CxgP2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CD11B1C26A58CF-83C-FFEE@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>

Excellent!

Not too soon to plan.

There are others that are discussing this and shared information would be
useful.

John Nikas is thinking in terms of 75 Triumphs.

Joe

NOTE:  Sanctioning Body and Venue now needs to be decided for 2012 for the
60th Anniversary. We have two invitations, and several ideas. The ideas have
not yet developed into proposals.

This will not be a unilateral decision.....it will be based on the best
proposal that serves the best interests
of the FOT.






-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 8:36 am
Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca


I don't know if this is to early to start thinking about how some of
s Easterners (yes I consider myself an Easterner because we live in
he eastern time zone!) can maybe get together and rent a transporter
o make the trip.
I've dealt with two different transporters that I would trust with our
ehicles.  One uses an enclosed trailer that could handle probably 6
ehicles.  The other is a hot shot trucker with an open 40 foot
railer that could probably haul 3 cars plus misc equipment.  Most
eople don't like open trailers and the only reason I mention this guy
s I consider him trust worthy and I know he watches over his loads
herever he goes.
Depending on circumstances we might be interested in sharing a common
ransport with others that want to head from the easter half of the
ountry to Laguna Seca.
So for those of you who might want to have your car transported to CA
nd back feel free to contact me off list.
Brad
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From gt6steve at aol.com  Tue Aug 24 09:59:30 2010
From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 11:59:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6/Spitfire master cylinder bracket
In-Reply-To: <4C73232C.4000701@cfl.rr.com>
References: <4C73232C.4000701@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8CD11BC7848E08D-128-114A1@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com>

Hey Bob,  I'm pretty sure I could get you one on the weekend if you're not in
a big rush.  You'd have to cover shipping...

Steve






-----Original Message-----
From: Bob <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:41 pm
Subject: [Fot] GT6/Spitfire master cylinder bracket


Does anyone have a spare brake/clutch master cylinder mounting bracket they
would like to sell?

thxx,
Bob
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue Aug 24 10:48:08 2010
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:48:08 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park
Message-ID: <E9B2BAEDFE2C4835BBC978B43794A614@homekeith>

Dear All,

 

I would like to thank you all for making the event so special; the warmth
and affection that you showed to me, Denise, my mad brother, Imelda and
Simon was truly exceptional - we love coming over and racing with you guys
and will continue to do so for many more years to come.

 

The real high point of the weekend was to receive the Kastner Cup from Kas
himself; it was a humbling experience especially when I consider the high
calibre of cars and fellow racers that were in the mix and all deserving of
the trophy in your own special way. You should all know that the Cup hasn't
actually left the US as there was enough trouble with US Immigration on the
way in without looking for more trouble on the way out :-)

 

I would like to give a big shout out to Joe Alexander for not only making
Heartland Park happen but for getting me away from my mighty TR6 and into
the 4 pot camp; a plot that that was hatched after VIR in 2004 whilst we
were driving back to Iowa via Memphis (Denise is a BIG Elvis fan), St Louis,
the Mississippi and other parts of the mid-west. 

 

A great weekend, so many special people (too many to mention individually)
so a big thank you to you all once more.

 

See you at Laguna Seca in 2011.

 

Cheers, Keith & Denise


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 24 11:19:33 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:19:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR/FOT HEARTLAND KASTNER CUP POSTER Featuring Sam Halkias
Message-ID: <8CD11C7A75C80C3-9D0-2A44@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>

This is an exceptional piece...heavy stock, 11 x 17

it is the second one produced by blake discher for the kastner cup and likely
not the last

if you are not a vtr member, you should consider it.

with FOT Mike Cook at the helm of the magazine, the magazine is well worth
it.

anyway, for $12 it will get you a poster, mailing tube, and shipping.

it features sam halkias, who showed us the way at TOPEKA.

PayPal  to   n197tr4 at cs.com   and i'll get it to you as soon as i can.

cash goes to the FOT coffers.

JOE A


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 24 11:49:07 2010
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:49:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca
In-Reply-To: <8CD11B1C26A58CF-83C-FFEE@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
References: <AANLkTikHfPcPaunz7tX1wwXn0PeWvo-vTUndJ37CxgP2@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CD11B1C26A58CF-83C-FFEE@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <11561.8822.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'd like to have my car on the transporter.
Keep me in the loop.
Dennis


Excellent!

Not too soon to plan.


From dlhogye at comcast.net  Tue Aug 24 12:25:52 2010
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:25:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <1423103039.271196.1282674329971.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <934743704.271217.1282674352742.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

FoT, 


Kas does not necessarily have an easy decision to make when it comes down to this group of drivers and their cars. A quality bunch with some really neat and fast old machines for sure. Keith must have made the choice for the Kasnter Cup a bit easier. He's a smooth and fast driver and has a fast and tidy car. It was a real pleasure spending some time with him and his wife Denise, his bro Cliff, Imelda, and his tuner friend, Simon. I felt it was appropriate that Bob Kramer was the recipient for the Bill Ames Award; I've experienced his generosity and support. The FoT are a special group and I'm thankful to be included. A b ig congratulations to Keith and Bob and a big thanks to Joe and his tremendous efforts in bringing us together for this event. 


Dave Hogye 


p.s. Oh, and Joe, thanks for letting me drive the Ambro. It was worth the trip just to sneak it on the track for a couple of laps. 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: n197tr4 at cs.com 
To: fot at autox.team.net 
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 3:47:56 PM 
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup 

FoT, 

When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition, 
this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever. 

The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show. 

Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after a 
great drive and a very consistently fast weekend. 

This is what it is all about...... 

John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at Leguna 
Seca next June. More details to follow. 

Of course Kas & Peg were a delight. 

We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult 
beverages. 

Joe Alexander 
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 24 12:47:53 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:47:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] New FOT MEMBER   -   SIMON WATSON   (UK)
In-Reply-To: <EA8EA963AAAF4348AD511E90F66C861F@homekeith>
References: <E9B2BAEDFE2C4835BBC978B43794A614@homekeith>
	<8CD11C8A8C97FC8-9D0-2C50@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
	<EA8EA963AAAF4348AD511E90F66C861F@homekeith>
Message-ID: <8CD11D3FEBF6AC5-199C-12F0@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>

Please welcome Simon Watson to the FOT.

He is being sponsored by Keith Files. See a brief on his background below.

Many met him at TOPEKA for the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix.

Certainly a potential valuable resource to us, a good friend, and a
gentleman..

I need to get an email address to Mark Bradakis...give me a moment before you
try to contact him.

Joe Alexander

PS: Please be looking for details on a new approach to gaining 'membership' in
the FOT. The old way is not working well and needs to be changed.





Simon Watson b he is the parts manager for TR Enterprises here in England;
they look after my TR6 as well as one of the 57 Sebring TR3s (it came 2nd in
class so it wasnbt the one that Bob Johns drove). He also races FIA TR4s
that belong to his father, holds an International Historic C Race license and
an International Historic Rally license b he is also a bit of an archivist
and does all of the FIA paperwork for significant race and rally cars.


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 24 12:57:49 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:57:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Race engines
In-Reply-To: <20100824184440.0QUHU.170181.root@hrndva-web19-z01>
References: <20100824184440.0QUHU.170181.root@hrndva-web19-z01>
Message-ID: <8CD11D5618BD1B2-199C-157C@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>

FOT: Anyone have full name and contact information on our two friends in
Florida?

Thanks,

Joe


-----Original Message-----
To: n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 1:44 pm
Subject: Race engines



Please e-mail or call me with the name and or phone number for a person or
ompany any where around Florida who might be doing top notch engine work. If
ou would call, I would appreciate it.  Just so you know, I got your name and
-mail from Mark Macy @ Macy's garage. My name is Rick Rone.    Thank you in
advance.
Rick


From tedtsimx at bright.net  Tue Aug 24 13:27:43 2010
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 15:27:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca
In-Reply-To: <8CD11B1C26A58CF-83C-FFEE@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
References: <AANLkTikHfPcPaunz7tX1wwXn0PeWvo-vTUndJ37CxgP2@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CD11B1C26A58CF-83C-FFEE@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C741D2F.7010300@bright.net>

Joe and list. In terms of historic significance, the most logical choice 
is Sebring.  It is Sebring's 60th anniversary of the 12 Hour. Triumph 
had a strong presence at the track over the years. Kas was a major 
player at the track with the TR effort (and with Nissan if we dare say 
that word), FOT member Ed Diehl drove the race in one of the factory 
TR4's, etc. Downside is the 12 Hour is a very busy week-end and 
depending on support races track time is ???  But, if  you want to be 
part of a truly historic event, this is worth looking at.  No where else 
will you be able to show the cars in front of 100,000 + people .  Ted



n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> Excellent!
>
> Not too soon to plan.
>
> There are others that are discussing this and shared information would be
> useful.
>
> John Nikas is thinking in terms of 75 Triumphs.
>
> Joe
>
> NOTE:  Sanctioning Body and Venue now needs to be decided for 2012 for the
> 60th Anniversary. We have two invitations, and several ideas. The ideas have
> not yet developed into proposals.
>
> This will not be a unilateral decision.....it will be based on the best
> proposal that serves the best interests
> of the FOT.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com>
> To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 8:36 am
> Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca
>
>
> I don't know if this is to early to start thinking about how some of
> s Easterners (yes I consider myself an Easterner because we live in
> he eastern time zone!) can maybe get together and rent a transporter
> o make the trip.
> I've dealt with two different transporters that I would trust with our
> ehicles.  One uses an enclosed trailer that could handle probably 6
> ehicles.  The other is a hot shot trucker with an open 40 foot
> railer that could probably haul 3 cars plus misc equipment.  Most
> eople don't like open trailers and the only reason I mention this guy
> s I consider him trust worthy and I know he watches over his loads
> herever he goes.
> Depending on circumstances we might be interested in sharing a common
> ransport with others that want to head from the easter half of the
> ountry to Laguna Seca.
> So for those of you who might want to have your car transported to CA
> nd back feel free to contact me off list.
> Brad
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-- 
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Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
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Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Aug 24 14:03:16 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 15:03:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] New FOT MEMBER   -   SIMON WATSON   (UK)
In-Reply-To: <8CD11D3FEBF6AC5-199C-12F0@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
References: <E9B2BAEDFE2C4835BBC978B43794A614@homekeith>
	<8CD11C8A8C97FC8-9D0-2C50@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
	<EA8EA963AAAF4348AD511E90F66C861F@homekeith>
	<8CD11D3FEBF6AC5-199C-12F0@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000701cb43c7$667779d0$33666d70$@com>

Second to Simon Watson.  Had the chance to talk to him at Topeka.  Great
guy.  Was able to discuss some TR5 issues with him and he was most generous
in his information and time.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 1:48 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] New FOT MEMBER - SIMON WATSON (UK)

Please welcome Simon Watson to the FOT.

He is being sponsored by Keith Files. See a brief on his background below.

Many met him at TOPEKA for the Heartland Vintage Grand Prix.

Certainly a potential valuable resource to us, a good friend, and a
gentleman..

I need to get an email address to Mark Bradakis...give me a moment before
you
try to contact him.

Joe Alexander

PS: Please be looking for details on a new approach to gaining 'membership'
in
the FOT. The old way is not working well and needs to be changed.





Simon Watson b he is the parts manager for TR Enterprises here in England;
they look after my TR6 as well as one of the 57 Sebring TR3s (it came 2nd in
class so it wasnbt the one that Bob Johns drove). He also races FIA TR4s
that belong to his father, holds an International Historic C Race license
and
an International Historic Rally license b he is also a bit of an archivist
and does all of the FIA paperwork for significant race and rally cars.
_______________________________________________
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 24 14:55:23 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:55:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Suggestions for the 60th Anniversary of Triumphs
In-Reply-To: <8CD11DCD21D984E-199C-2402@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
References: <AANLkTikHfPcPaunz7tX1wwXn0PeWvo-vTUndJ37CxgP2@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CD11B1C26A58CF-83C-FFEE@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
	<4C741D2F.7010300@bright.net>
	<8CD11DCD21D984E-199C-2402@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CD11E5CE4092F3-167C-7F6@webmail-m012.sysops.aol.com>

Ted,

Excellent offering!  And certainly a candidate to consider.

Track time is severely limited, usually, but if that is not an issue, it
certainly is an adventure. I have been there three times and once drove a MGB
to a stunning last place finish.

All we need is a PROPOSAL from someone that contains a confirmation that we
are being invited to come by the sanctioning body and what they have in mind
for us.

A real visionary would propose a CLASSIC 12 HOURS OF SEBRING race for 1.2
Hours of racing  prior to the real 12 HOURS of SEBRING.....like they do at THE
24 HOURS OF LE MANS.....that has grown into a serious vintage event.

Ted, do you have someone that could make a proposal?  We need someone to lead
that effort.

THANKS!

Joe Alexander


Joe and list. In terms of historic significance, the most logical choice is
Sebring. It is Sebring's 60th anniversary of the 12 Hour. Triumph had a strong
presence at the track over the years. Kas was a major player at the track with
the TR effort (and with Nissan if we dare say that word), FOT member Ed Diehl
drove the race in one of the factory TR4's, etc. Downside is the 12 Hour is a
very busy week-end and depending on support races track time is ??? But, if
you want to be part of a truly historic event, this is worth looking at. No
where else will you be able to show the cars in front of 100,000 + people .
Ted


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Tue Aug 24 16:21:28 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:21:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
References: <8CD106332C3B5DF-1B10-1F737@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <F5FD1ACC2A464DDDA6578F0697AD4AAD@rocky>

Just wanted to say thanks to you, Joe, and Bill Rinke, for inviting me down 
as a VIP (probably oughta be VUP, but they didn't have any passes printed up 
that way).

Fun to put my Spitfire on display even though I did not want to race it this 
close to the Solo Nationals, my key event each year (I'm one of eight 
drivers who've been to all of them -- this year is the 38th. And the 
Spitfire has driven in 37, more than any other single car).

So great to see that fleet of TR4s in the Kastner Cup race, with a few other 
Triumphs mixed in. I worked grid much of the weekend and grabbed the job to 
split the Kastner Cup race -- the idiot who stands in the middle of pit lane 
as the cars come off the grid; pointing "You go this side, you go that 
side.")

Good to finally meet Kas in person, Joe too, and a few others.

Some may have noticed my team name Ikke se Hurtig Racing on the fender of 
the Spitfire. Sunday as I was loading up a lady with her two teen-agers 
stopped to take a picture, because her maiden name was Hurtig. They knew 
what Hurtig meant (fast, swift), but weren't sure of the Ikke part (not --  
ergo, Not So Fast).

Good to see FOT at my home track.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 5:47 PM
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup


> FoT,
>
> When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition,
> this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
>
> The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
>
> Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after 
> a
> great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
>
> This is what it is all about......
>
> John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at 
> Leguna
> Seca next June.  More details to follow.
>
> Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.
>
> We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
> beverages.
>
> Joe Alexander
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Aug 24 17:10:13 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:10:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park
In-Reply-To: <E9B2BAEDFE2C4835BBC978B43794A614@homekeith>
Message-ID: <20100824191013.SXHLB.1555515.imail@eastrmwml30>

It is our agreement that  the trophy will be in Jeff Snooks Car Museum along with the car..  Good place. Keith drove a perfect race with out a deviation on 5 year old tires , a good job indeed. (I  suggested he buy tires but he was too protective of his wallet). :-)
---- Keith Files <keithfiles at btinternet.com> wrote: 

=============
Dear All,

 

I would like to thank you all for making the event so special; the warmth
and affection that you showed to me, Denise, my mad brother, Imelda and
Simon was truly exceptional - we love coming over and racing with you guys
and will continue to do so for many more years to come.

 

The real high point of the weekend was to receive the Kastner Cup from Kas
himself; it was a humbling experience especially when I consider the high
calibre of cars and fellow racers that were in the mix and all deserving of
the trophy in your own special way. You should all know that the Cup hasn't
actually left the US as there was enough trouble with US Immigration on the
way in without looking for more trouble on the way out :-)

 

I would like to give a big shout out to Joe Alexander for not only making
Heartland Park happen but for getting me away from my mighty TR6 and into
the 4 pot camp; a plot that that was hatched after VIR in 2004 whilst we
were driving back to Iowa via Memphis (Denise is a BIG Elvis fan), St Louis,
the Mississippi and other parts of the mid-west. 

 

A great weekend, so many special people (too many to mention individually)
so a big thank you to you all once more.

 

See you at Laguna Seca in 2011.

 

Cheers, Keith & Denise
_______________________________________________
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Aug 24 17:43:52 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:43:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] VTR/FOT HEARTLAND KASTNER CUP POSTER Featuring Sam Halkias
In-Reply-To: <8CD11C7A75C80C3-9D0-2A44@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD11C7A75C80C3-9D0-2A44@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C745938.3000706@bradakis.com>

I had been planning on picking up one of these posters in person at
the event, and maybe getting a few autographs on it along the way.
And also a set of Kas' books to replace the ones I loaned out -
that's a sad story.

Oh well.  I wonder what calamity will befall me when it is time
to head for Laguna Seca?

mjb.


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Aug 24 17:59:20 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 23:59:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park/Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <1483591846.253074.1282694360641.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Greetings FoT

I had a great time at Heartland Park this past weekend and would like to thank
everyone for

your support and friendship.

Due to some difficulties I had with my tow vehicle and trailer I didnbt have
time to

get around and meet everyone so please donbt feel like I was just being
unsociable.

It was an honor and pleasure.



B 

Jim Gray

# 102


From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 24 19:07:54 2010
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (T Thompson)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:07:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] HPT/Kastner Cup Race
Message-ID: <381737.99905.qm@web65711.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Being new to FOT (and to vintage racing), I want to say that you are all such
a 
great group of folks and this was a very memorable event!   To be part of
the 
Kastner Cup Race and to meet so many great folks is something Angela and
I will 
never forget. 

In true form, Bob Kramer helped me with a set of the
"right plugs" which I think 
enabled me to keep Ryan Murphy at bay (what a
race for us!). Although I am 
always getting help from folks in RMVR (Jim G.,
Mark E., Jim R. and Dan F. to 
name a few), Bob and I had just met and he was
willing to lend a helping hand in 
between replacing a wheel cylinder or
replacing pads on his own car. Well 
deserving of the recognition to say the
least! 

And, I hope my wife Angela didn't bug Kas and others for too many
pictures and 
autographs, but she certainly had fun being a vintage race car
gal.  She loves 
these old cars.  Many thanks to Ken for taking her on a few
laps around the 
track at lunch in his nice TR3 he had for sale at the track
(her favorite...glad 
I left the checkbook at home!). 

Angela also took quite
a few pictures that others may want. We will send these 
out to folks off
list, but if there is repository for photos, let us know and we 
will load
them there.

We can't wait for next year! 

Again, thanks to Bill and others
for putting on such a memorable event.   

Ty & Angela
#413


From tlizzard at msn.com  Tue Aug 24 19:17:10 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:17:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] New FOT MEMBER   -   SIMON WATSON   (UK)
In-Reply-To: <E9B2BAEDFE2C4835BBC978B43794A614@homekeith><8CD11C8A8C97FC8-9D0-2C50@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com><EA8EA963AAAF4348AD511E90F66C861F@homekeith><8CD11D3FEBF6AC5-199C-12F0@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
	<000701cb43c7$667779d0$33666d70$@com>
References: <E9B2BAEDFE2C4835BBC978B43794A614@homekeith><8CD11C8A8C97FC8-9D0-2C50@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com><EA8EA963AAAF4348AD511E90F66C861F@homekeith><8CD11D3FEBF6AC5-199C-12F0@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
	<000701cb43c7$667779d0$33666d70$@com>
Message-ID: <BAY157-ds1520EB3E448CDD7CCAAA33C3840@phx.gbl>

I will definitely third this.

It was a pleasure to work with Simon for the four days we were there. Beyond
the fact that he is a very knowledgeable TR guy and a driver in his own right,
he is, as Bill Dettinger puts it, "good people".  His membership in our merry
band will make the whole much greater than the sum of the parts.

Terry Stetler


From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Tue Aug 24 19:37:36 2010
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:37:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Suggestions for the 60th Anniversary of Triumphs
In-Reply-To: <8CD11E5CE4092F3-167C-7F6@webmail-m012.sysops.aol.com>
References: <AANLkTikHfPcPaunz7tX1wwXn0PeWvo-vTUndJ37CxgP2@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CD11B1C26A58CF-83C-FFEE@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
	<4C741D2F.7010300@bright.net>
	<8CD11DCD21D984E-199C-2402@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CD11E5CE4092F3-167C-7F6@webmail-m012.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C7473E0.8090000@cfl.rr.com>

  It is about an hour and half from me here in the Orlando area (Mount 
Dora, FL). Not volunteering yet!

There is always a vintage race on Thursday or Friday preceding the 
Saturday 12 hour race. I'm sure it is not an hour long race but if the 
sanctioning body could be convinced of the significance of a Triumph 60 
year tribute race and enough Triumphs committed to show up....who knows?

Bob

On 8/24/2010 4:55 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> Ted,
>
> Excellent offering!  And certainly a candidate to consider.
>
> Track time is severely limited, usually, but if that is not an issue, it
> certainly is an adventure. I have been there three times and once drove a MGB
> to a stunning last place finish.
>
> All we need is a PROPOSAL from someone that contains a confirmation that we
> are being invited to come by the sanctioning body and what they have in mind
> for us.
>
> A real visionary would propose a CLASSIC 12 HOURS OF SEBRING race for 1.2
> Hours of racing  prior to the real 12 HOURS of SEBRING.....like they do at THE
> 24 HOURS OF LE MANS.....that has grown into a serious vintage event.
>
> Ted, do you have someone that could make a proposal?  We need someone to lead
> that effort.
>
> THANKS!
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
> Joe and list. In terms of historic significance, the most logical choice is
> Sebring. It is Sebring's 60th anniversary of the 12 Hour. Triumph had a strong
> presence at the track over the years. Kas was a major player at the track with
> the TR effort (and with Nissan if we dare say that word), FOT member Ed Diehl
> drove the race in one of the factory TR4's, etc. Downside is the 12 Hour is a
> very busy week-end and depending on support races track time is ??? But, if
> you want to be part of a truly historic event, this is worth looking at. No
> where else will you be able to show the cars in front of 100,000 + people .
> Ted
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 24 20:03:30 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:03:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] HS6 question
Message-ID: <789747.6897.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Well the good news is I have the car back together again after all the
problems 
in May and July in Seattle.  The engine has been completely
rebuilt.  We ran the 
car on a Dyno today and all went well except it seems to
run out of gas at 5640 
rpm.  That is it starts sputtering and getting real
lean. We checked the floats 
and there is fuel in them and we worked on the
timing.  We are going to try make 
sure the points springs are strong next. 
The folks helping with the car are 
very experienced.   Is there something
missing?  I have RV needles (if that 
helps).  Has anyone else had similar
problems? 


As always looking for the groups convential wisdom.

Thanks Mike
Mehl

At least I have time before the Columbia River Classic Labor day
weekend. (where 
the KAS cup was run last year)


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Aug 24 20:19:30 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:19:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Suggestions for the 60th Anniversary of Triumphs
In-Reply-To: <4C7473E0.8090000@cfl.rr.com>
References: <AANLkTikHfPcPaunz7tX1wwXn0PeWvo-vTUndJ37CxgP2@mail.gmail.com><8CD11B1C26A58CF-83C-FFEE@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com><4C741D2F.7010300@bright.net><8CD11DCD21D984E-199C-2402@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com><8CD11E5CE4092F3-167C-7F6@webmail-m012.sysops.aol.com>
	<4C7473E0.8090000@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8CD1213158C9866-3F00-7730@Webmail-d109.sysops.aol.com>

I'd like to get some FOT together down there some day even if it isnt the
60th.

It's great place to be.






-----Original Message-----
From: Bob <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 8:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Suggestions for the 60th Anniversary of Triumphs


  It is about an hour and half from me here in the Orlando area (Mount
ora, FL). Not volunteering yet!
There is always a vintage race on Thursday or Friday preceding the
aturday 12 hour race. I'm sure it is not an hour long race but if the
anctioning body could be convinced of the significance of a Triumph 60
ear tribute race and enough Triumphs committed to show up....who knows?
Bob
On 8/24/2010 4:55 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
 Ted,

 Excellent offering!  And certainly a candidate to consider.

 Track time is severely limited, usually, but if that is not an issue, it
 certainly is an adventure. I have been there three times and once drove a
MGB
 to a stunning last place finish.

 All we need is a PROPOSAL from someone that contains a confirmation that we
 are being invited to come by the sanctioning body and what they have in mind
 for us.

 A real visionary would propose a CLASSIC 12 HOURS OF SEBRING race for 1.2
 Hours of racing  prior to the real 12 HOURS of SEBRING.....like they do at
THE
 24 HOURS OF LE MANS.....that has grown into a serious vintage event.

 Ted, do you have someone that could make a proposal?  We need someone to
lead
 that effort.

 THANKS!

 Joe Alexander


 Joe and list. In terms of historic significance, the most logical choice is
 Sebring. It is Sebring's 60th anniversary of the 12 Hour. Triumph had a
strong
 presence at the track over the years. Kas was a major player at the track
with
 the TR effort (and with Nissan if we dare say that word), FOT member Ed
Diehl
 drove the race in one of the factory TR4's, etc. Downside is the 12 Hour is
a
 very busy week-end and depending on support races track time is ??? But, if
 you want to be part of a truly historic event, this is worth looking at. No
 where else will you be able to show the cars in front of 100,000 + people .
 Ted
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Aug 24 20:29:32 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 20:29:32 -0600
Subject: [Fot] HS6 question
In-Reply-To: <789747.6897.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <789747.6897.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C74800C.2040106@bradakis.com>

Are you running a stock fuel pump?

mjb.


From stutzmans at comcast.net  Tue Aug 24 20:42:27 2010
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:42:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen
Message-ID: <AB26D7084B524933841ABBBFF326AAB3@ComputerPC>

Does anyone going to Watkins have extra crew passes available to a couple WPTA
guys?
Bruce


From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 24 20:45:31 2010
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:45:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 HS6 question
In-Reply-To: <789747.6897.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <789747.6897.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <252819.89928.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

forgot to mention what car
Mike




________________________________
From:
Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To: Triumph Friends of <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 7:03:30 PM
Subject: [Fot] HS6 question

Well the
good news is I have the car back together again after all the
problems 
in May
and July in Seattle.  The engine has been completely
rebuilt.  We ran the 
car
on a Dyno today and all went well except it seems to
run out of gas at 5640
rpm.  That is it starts sputtering and getting real
lean. We checked the
floats 
and there is fuel in them and we worked on the
timing.  We are going
to try make 
sure the points springs are strong next. 
The folks helping with
the car are 
very experienced.  Is there something
missing?  I have RV needles
(if that 
helps).  Has anyone else had similar
problems? 


As always looking
for the groups convential wisdom.

Thanks Mike
Mehl

At least I have time
before the Columbia River Classic Labor day
weekend. (where 
the KAS cup was
run last year)
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Tue Aug 24 22:05:04 2010
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:05:04 +1000
Subject: [Fot] toyota calipers for TR's
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=N70R7_5HG-W+kw4=GEjGnwZuD3F72+etnEO2z@mail.gmail.com>

folks, i'm aware Toyota 4WD front brake calipers can be easily fitted to
TR's. . All the write-ups only discuss calipers suited for solid discs.
I have got one from a early 90's Toyota that had vented rotors, but it has
two big pistons and wont suit the TR master cyl.
Has anyone found a model that has the 2 different size pistons, and uses a
vented rotor??

thanks, Terry O'Beirne
Australia


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Aug 24 23:00:33 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 00:00:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] toyota calipers for TR's
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=N70R7_5HG-W+kw4=GEjGnwZuD3F72+etnEO2z@mail.gmail.c om>
References: <AANLkTi=N70R7_5HG-W+kw4=GEjGnwZuD3F72+etnEO2z@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100825045950.F2BE7187645@autox.team.net>

A quick google search turned up this site:
http://www.turbo-tr6.info/tr6_brake_install.htm

It has both the solid rotor and the vented rotor conversions.

I notice that it has the rotor mounted to the Aluminum Hubs that 
should be available again shortly.

Tony Drews

At 11:05 PM 8/24/2010, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:
>folks, i'm aware Toyota 4WD front brake calipers can be easily fitted to
>TR's. . All the write-ups only discuss calipers suited for solid discs.
>I have got one from a early 90's Toyota that had vented rotors, but it has
>two big pistons and wont suit the TR master cyl.
>Has anyone found a model that has the 2 different size pistons, and uses a
>vented rotor??
>
>thanks, Terry O'Beirne
>Australia


From brinke at cebridge.net  Tue Aug 24 20:50:39 2010
From: brinke at cebridge.net (Bill Rinke)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:50:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
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	<4C71E01D.9040304@pobox.com>
	<444D5851BBC74B7EB246AD399DBC005C@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <A22DEAB050F5419CB0EF080C682BD7AB@main>

Hi Bob,

I am trying to answer 193 emails that I received after our event was held.
Looks like most if not all of them are of the thank you and congratulation
type notes.
Glad you got home in fine shape but suspect you, like many of us, are a bit
tired.
Yep, the young guys did show up and I think all of them did quite well,
including your son.  We need the youth to make vintage racing survive.
A big hooray for your receipt of the Bill Ames award.  That is awesome.
I am familiar with MyLaps and will try to find out how to put our event
results on there.  Only so many hours in the day while trying to play catch up
on so many different issues that seem to be popping up after a week in
Topeka.
Thanks so much for coming out to play with us.  We sure hope that everything
met your satisfaction and that you had a ton of fun.
I know the FoT address that I also copied on this is an address that does not
receive my email so if you wish , you may forward it.
Bill

----- Original Message -----
  From: Bob Kramer
  To: GSFuqua1 at aol.com ; Bill Rinke
  Cc: Andrew Kramer ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 10:38 AM
  Subject: MyLaps[Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup


  I drove through the night and made it home at 5:30 this morning. The one
  hour nap at the TX border helped. For all the worries about heat I think we
  had a great weekend. Even the thunder boomers Friday were somewhat enjoyable
  to this TX guy. The cloud cover Saturday and the breeze all weekend kept us
  cool enough in the shade, if you had a good supply of dry t-shirts. Now that
  I'm home I recognize that I lied to you all, it is hotter here. Oh well,
  I'll have to unload anyway. I have a few shirts left.

  I met a lot of people whose names I recognized from the list and I've got to
  tell those that weren't able to make it that the FoT is growing and more
  vibrant than ever. That Colorado clan has something going on there. What a
  nice group of folks. Seeing them all together reminded me of my first FoT
  exposure at Blackhawk Farms when Joe put me up in a tent for the weekend.
  That type of camaraderie is the fiber that runs through all of us. I was
  really pleased to see the young guys running and hear about even more in the
  pipeline. My son had a great time and I think he is hooked for good. Thanks
  for welcoming him. In his tired old TR4 he managed to get within 4 seconds
  of his old man on our best laps. I'll need to get bigger mirrors for the
  future.

  Thank you  Larry for honoring me with the Bill Ames Award. I meant it when I
  said that I was surrounded by a large group of people just like me, that all
  deserve this award. I help where I can and so does everyone else. It's that
  FoT fiber thing. When I started I learned so much from people like Joe, Jack
  and Hardy P, as well as Ken G and Ted S and a long list of others along the
  way. I still have a lot to learn. It was pretty cool to paddock nect to the
  Champ. Sam is a genuine good guy. Racing his TR6 with the SCCA at the
  highest levels might seem to put him in a different world, but he just like
  us in every other way. Thanks Sam.

  Are we going to be able look at laptimes on MyLaps, but I don't know for
  sure. Bill or Gary, is that going to happen? I got in the habit of not
  picking up laptimes at CVAR races because the data gets to MyLaps so
  quickly.Just wondering.

  Laguna Seca! I'll probably MapQuest the route a few dozen time this week.
:)

  Bob Kramer
  Volente, TX

  Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch
  excellence.
  Vince Lombardi
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
  To: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
  Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup


  > And...... the Bill Ames award was passed to Bob Kramer.  Bob has helped
  > countless Triumphs get on or back on to the race track.  He's one of the
  > best drivers I know.  He gives away parts, is a gentleman racer, and he
  > has towed to almost all of the FoT focus events.  A great guy and worthy
  > recipient.
  > -Larry Young
  >
  > n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
  >> FoT,
  >>
  >> When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and
  >> competition,
  >> this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
  >>
  >> The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
  >>
  >> Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup
  >> after a
  >> great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
  >>
  >> This is what it is all about......
  >>
  >> John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at
  >> Leguna
  >> Seca next June.  More details to follow.
  >>
  >> Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.
  >>
  >> We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
  >> beverages.
  >>
  >> Joe Alexander
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From jason at multivintage.com  Mon Aug 23 09:08:25 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:08:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
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Man those were some fast TRs. It was pretty much a swarm of TR4's. With the
exception of Jeff Snook in his fast Tr3 running up front, a very fast
spitfire in the hands of  Joseph Hovey at mid pack, me in my GT6... (after
an amazing story of overcoming certain failier) and Joe in his Ambro... it
was a starting grid of TR4 Beauty and Speed.

Major battles were seen for every position. And up front the action was hot,
hot, hot. For the 3rd spot on the podium. Tony Drews, Jim Gray, and Greg
"Lunker" Hilyer had a TR4 battle royal with grass flying and tires smoking.
Unfortunately, for Greg, His whole car was smoking by the near end, he was
out of the mix with a broken battery terminal and was parked on the side of
the track with so much smoke I thought his car was on fire when I went by.
But that pack up front was flying... Tony's car just keeps getting faster
and faster.

The Awesome Group of guys from Colorado really helped fill the grid headed
up by Jim Gray and his Dads old gorgeous and Impeccably prepared no. 102. A
close 4th overall but not able to catch Tony.

The stars up font... Kieth Files all the way from England unmatched in the
Tr4 group... two seconds a lap faster than  all others. (Fittingly in Kas's
old car built for Sebring)

Our Hero in Modern Triumph racing, Sam Halkias... simply walked away from
everyone with a fast lap of the kastner cup of 1:55.726. five seconds faster
than the next car in line.

Other highlights or rather low lights... Joe Alexander spun the ambro in the
big race and Sean Alexander left pices of motor trailing down the front
strait after an impressive show of speed all weekend.

Overall a great fast and fun weekend and we FOT'ers really were the stars of
the weekend with the biggest and most exciting groups all weekend.

Thats my report...
More on my unique story of NOT being beaten by equipment later...
Jason Ostrowski. Friendly Ghost Racing 69 GT6 # 27



On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 7:37 AM, Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Congrats, Mr. Kramer.
>
> --- On Sun, 8/22/10, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
> To: n197tr4 at cs.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 9:42 PM
>
>
> And...... the Bill Ames award was passed to Bob Kramer.  Bob has helped
> countless Triumphs get on or back on to the race track.  He's one of the
> best drivers I know.  He gives away parts, is a gentleman racer, and he
> has towed to almost all of the FoT focus events.  A great guy and worthy
> recipient.
> -Larry Young
>
> n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> > FoT,
> >
> > When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and
> competition,
> > this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
> >
> > The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
> >
> > Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup
> after
> a
> > great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
> >
> > This is what it is all about......
> >
> > John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at
> Leguna
> > Seca next June.  More details to follow.
> >
> > Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.
> >
> > We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
> > beverages.
> >
> > Joe Alexander
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
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From jason at multivintage.com  Mon Aug 23 09:57:42 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:57:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
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So after Hours of sweaty prep work... I had to remove the rear extension on
my GT6 the night before I was going to leave for the big Kastner cup as I
found a major leak was dripping from the trans. It was cracked. I removed
it, replaced it, and got everything back together... but I was nervous
because I had never taken that rear extension off and something strange had
happened. The lower rod popped out a bit all by itself as I was putting on
the new piece. I thought to myself... I wonder it that funny sound I heard
was a needle bearing or two falling into the bottom of the trans... but it
all seemed to go back together OK... I really wanted to make that race.

I left the next night... already on no sleep. Me and my Dad made the 10 hour
tow down to Heartland Park. We Arrived at 6:30 A.M Registered and unloaded
the Car. I made about 5 laps and as soon as I started to pick up the pace
and try a few laps at race speed the trans started to vibrate violently.
Headed for the pits, stopped, and couldn't get the car into gear.I was Done.

Flash to Saturday night 4:00 P.M. I was happy with resigning to the fact
that now I could just drink a lot of Beer all weekend. Some guy I had never
met Before who auto crosses a Gt6 came up to me and my poor broken car.
"I've got a trans that's been sitting In my garage for years.. Its kind of
dirty but you are welcome to it... You can have it for FREE.

Suddenly, I could see myself raising the Kasnter Cup over my head with
Champagne flying and the crowds cheering as my humble GT6 had beaten the
fastest TR's in the world.

He drove home and brought back a stinky, dirty, and FREE trans. We removed
the old one, cleaned up the new one, sealed it, lubed it, and snugged
everything up. In a moment of sheer bliss I fired the car up at almost 11:00
P.M. It was Alive again. I cruised the paddock and ran through the gears.
FGR was Back In the Game.

I ran the practice in the morning, The Group 7 race, and the Kastner Cup, I
was a bit off the pace I wanted to be running as I was short on track time.
But hey, I was racing. I had a great time trying to catch Andrew Kramer and
even passed a few cars on the start. A great weekend... a great Kastner Cup!

Jason Ostrowski, Friendly Ghost Racing, Triumph GT6 #27


On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>wrote:

> Man those were some fast TRs. It was pretty much a swarm of TR4's. With the
> exception of Jeff Snook in his fast Tr3 running up front, a very fast
> spitfire in the hands of  Joseph Hovey at mid pack, me in my GT6... (after
> an amazing story of overcoming certain failier) and Joe in his Ambro... it
> was a starting grid of TR4 Beauty and Speed.
>
> Major battles were seen for every position. And up front the action was
> hot, hot, hot. For the 3rd spot on the podium. Tony Drews, Jim Gray, and
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer had a TR4 battle royal with grass flying and tires
> smoking. Unfortunately, for Greg, His whole car was smoking by the near end,
> he was out of the mix with a broken battery terminal and was parked on the
> side of the track with so much smoke I thought his car was on fire when I
> went by. But that pack up front was flying... Tony's car just keeps getting
> faster and faster.
>
> The Awesome Group of guys from Colorado really helped fill the grid headed
> up by Jim Gray and his Dads old gorgeous and Impeccably prepared no. 102. A
> close 4th overall but not able to catch Tony.
>
> The stars up font... Kieth Files all the way from England unmatched in the
> Tr4 group... two seconds a lap faster than  all others. (Fittingly in Kas's
> old car built for Sebring)
>
> Our Hero in Modern Triumph racing, Sam Halkias... simply walked away from
> everyone with a fast lap of the kastner cup of 1:55.726. five seconds faster
> than the next car in line.
>
> Other highlights or rather low lights... Joe Alexander spun the ambro in
> the big race and Sean Alexander left pices of motor trailing down the front
> strait after an impressive show of speed all weekend.
>
> Overall a great fast and fun weekend and we FOT'ers really were the stars
> of the weekend with the biggest and most exciting groups all weekend.
>
> Thats my report...
> More on my unique story of NOT being beaten by equipment later...
> Jason Ostrowski. Friendly Ghost Racing 69 GT6 # 27
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 7:37 AM, Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Congrats, Mr. Kramer.
>>
>> --- On Sun, 8/22/10, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
>> To: n197tr4 at cs.com
>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>> Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 9:42 PM
>>
>>
>> And...... the Bill Ames award was passed to Bob Kramer.  Bob has helped
>> countless Triumphs get on or back on to the race track.  He's one of the
>> best drivers I know.  He gives away parts, is a gentleman racer, and he
>> has towed to almost all of the FoT focus events.  A great guy and worthy
>> recipient.
>> -Larry Young
>>
>> n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
>> > FoT,
>> >
>> > When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and
>> competition,
>> > this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
>> >
>> > The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
>> >
>> > Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup
>> after
>> a
>> > great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
>> >
>> > This is what it is all about......
>> >
>> > John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at
>> Leguna
>> > Seca next June.  More details to follow.
>> >
>> > Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.
>> >
>> > We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
>> > beverages.
>> >
>> > Joe Alexander
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > fot at autox.team.net
>> >
>> > http://www.fot-racing.com
>> >
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Aug 25 01:15:02 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:15:02 +0200
Subject: [Fot] toyota calipers for TR's
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My point on this is that the stock brake is great and do the racing job for
hours without any lack of performance....IF there is good brake fluid used
and proper brake pads.
The stock Triumph brake is even better than in my Porsche.

Cheers
Chris

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Auftrag von Enquiries Road & Track
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. August 2010 06:05
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] toyota calipers for TR's

folks, i'm aware Toyota 4WD front brake calipers can be easily fitted to
TR's. . All the write-ups only discuss calipers suited for solid discs.
I have got one from a early 90's Toyota that had vented rotors, but it has
two big pistons and wont suit the TR master cyl.
Has anyone found a model that has the 2 different size pistons, and uses a
vented rotor??

thanks, Terry O'Beirne
Australia
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Wed Aug 25 04:15:41 2010
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:15:41 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Toyota calipers for TR's
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All the wider Toyota calipers I have found that suit vented rotors, have
bigger caliper pistons resulting in too much stroke of the TR6 master cyl..
I have found versions with 2 x large & 2 x smaller  pistons and others with
4 large pistons. The total piston area in all of these is much bigger than
the stock TR caliper. The early hilux/4-runner ones made for solid rotors
have differential size pistons that are almost identical in total piston
area to a TR caliper. I am trying to find calipers with the smaller pistons,
that are made for vented rotors.
The excellent article entitled "toyota brake install" by Lee Janssen does
not deal with this issue.

Terry O'Beirne
Australia


From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Wed Aug 25 07:09:04 2010
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:09:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca
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Ted's got a good point 

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ted Schumacher
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:28 PM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: brad.kahler at 141.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca

Joe and list. In terms of historic significance, the most logical choice 
is Sebring.  It is Sebring's 60th anniversary of the 12 Hour. Triumph 
had a strong presence at the track over the years. Kas was a major 
player at the track with the TR effort (and with Nissan if we dare say 
that word), FOT member Ed Diehl drove the race in one of the factory 
TR4's, etc. Downside is the 12 Hour is a very busy week-end and 
depending on support races track time is ???  But, if  you want to be 
part of a truly historic event, this is worth looking at.  No where else 
will you be able to show the cars in front of 100,000 + people .  Ted



n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> Excellent!
>
> Not too soon to plan.
>
> There are others that are discussing this and shared information would be
> useful.
>
> John Nikas is thinking in terms of 75 Triumphs.
>
> Joe
>
> NOTE:  Sanctioning Body and Venue now needs to be decided for 2012 for the
> 60th Anniversary. We have two invitations, and several ideas. The ideas
have
> not yet developed into proposals.
>
> This will not be a unilateral decision.....it will be based on the best
> proposal that serves the best interests
> of the FOT.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com>
> To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 8:36 am
> Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca
>
>
> I don't know if this is to early to start thinking about how some of
> s Easterners (yes I consider myself an Easterner because we live in
> he eastern time zone!) can maybe get together and rent a transporter
> o make the trip.
> I've dealt with two different transporters that I would trust with our
> ehicles.  One uses an enclosed trailer that could handle probably 6
> ehicles.  The other is a hot shot trucker with an open 40 foot
> railer that could probably haul 3 cars plus misc equipment.  Most
> eople don't like open trailers and the only reason I mention this guy
> s I consider him trust worthy and I know he watches over his loads
> herever he goes.
> Depending on circumstances we might be interested in sharing a common
> ransport with others that want to head from the easter half of the
> ountry to Laguna Seca.
> So for those of you who might want to have your car transported to CA
> nd back feel free to contact me off list.
> Brad
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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 25 07:24:06 2010
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 06:24:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fw:  Toyota calipers for TR's
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From: Mike Munson fasttrs at yahoo.com

Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyota calipers
for TR's


Split the calipers and have spacers made that give you the extra
width. Thats 
what I had to do one time to a set of Jaguar calipers to make
them work with 
vented rotors. The old Jag. calipers are what we are required
to run on our SCCA 
TR6s.

Mike Munson




________________________________
From: Enquiries Road & Track <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au>
To: Peter Vucinic
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010
5:15:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyota calipers for TR's

All the wider Toyota
calipers I have found that suit vented rotors, have
bigger caliper pistons
resulting in too much stroke of the TR6 master cyl..
I have found versions
with 2 x large & 2 x smaller  pistons and others with
4 large pistons. The
total piston area in all of these is much bigger than
the stock TR caliper.
The early hilux/4-runner ones made for solid rotors
have differential size
pistons that are almost identical in total piston
area to a TR caliper. I am
trying to find calipers with the smaller pistons,
that are made for vented
rotors.
The excellent article entitled "toyota brake install" by Lee Janssen
does
not deal with this issue.

Terry O'Beirne
Australia
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 25 08:19:47 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:19:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca...now the 60th Anniversary
 selection of venue.
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Craig,

Sebring will need a 'champion' to pursue it.

Ideally, the sanctioning body and venue want us there.

This 60th Anniversary  and  the Kastner Cup event is way too big for me to
pursue on my own.

We need solid proposals and someone to pursue them.

(It seems logical that we combine the 60th and the Kastner Cup together, of
course, but they are separate entities)

If John Nikas had not stepped forward with Leguna Seca, I am not sure where we
would be for 2011. Only 10 MONTHS AWAY.

VSCDA'S ELVF is interested, but wants to know shortly for planning purposes.

Road America is certainly a candidate.

So is MOSPORT, ROAD ATLANTA, LIME ROCK, and the rest of North America, for
that matter.

If anyone wants to pursue ANY venue, please let me know and I will try to
help.

Joe A
Ted's got a good point

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ted Schumacher
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:28 PM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: brad.kahler at 141.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca

Joe and list. In terms of historic significance, the most logical choice
is Sebring.  It is Sebring's 60th anniversary of the 12 Hour. Triumph
had a strong presence at the track over the years. Kas was a major
player at the track with the TR effort (and with Nissan if we dare say
that word), FOT member Ed Diehl drove the race in one of the factory
TR4's, etc. Downside is the 12 Hour is a very busy week-end and
depending on support races track time is ???  But, if  you want to be
part of a truly historic event, this is worth looking at.  No where else
will you be able to show the cars in front of 100,000 + people .  Ted


From lunkercars at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 25 08:54:16 2010
From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 08:54:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
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>  TR4 battle royal with grass flying and tires smoking.
> Unfortunately, for Greg, His whole car was smoking by the near end,  
> he was
> out of the mix with a broken battery terminal and was parked on the  
> side of
> the track with so much smoke I thought his car was on fire when I  
> went by.
Sure glad someone saw that pass - sure was fun! Two wheels on the  
rumble strip and two riding the grass on the inside and giving the  
boot the whole way.
When my race was over I parked off track and immediately smelled  
smoke. The grass over there was tall, brown and dry. The corner  
worker was not going to cross the hot track, so when I actually SAW  
smoke, I bailed and unloaded the fire extinguisher under the car.  
About the time the flat-tow got there the batt terminal had made just  
enough contact for the car to re-start. Then came the scary part -  
The corner worker told me the race was over and sent me back out.  
Thinking that everyone was on the cool-down lap, I was actually  
waving to the corner stations when Tony came by again. Thought he was  
going a bit fast for the cool-down lap but it didn't occur to me I  
was on a hot track until a couple more cars went by. Boy did I  
scramble to get off-line after that!
All in all, a wonderful event with my favorite crowd. I think Connie  
and I may have kept some of you guessing by alternating sessions. As  
it was, I got 2.5 sessions for the event [we missed friday] and that  
suited me just fine. I don't mean that I'm happy about getting beaten  
by a battery terminal but...
It is becoming way to common that my trip TO the event was more  
exciting than the race itself. Perhaps more on that after I've de- 
compressed a bit more.
Our thanks to all,

Connie, Barley and
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM


From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Aug 25 10:02:04 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:02:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Toyota calipers for TR's
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=xBth36Y3qBDKs9HmvtEtB9OX8pt3fpLRkOPed@mail.gmail.c om>
References: <AANLkTi=N70R7_5HG-W+kw4=GEjGnwZuD3F72+etnEO2z@mail.gmail.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAAYXxIyW95VHi4L1tXoDc3MBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
	<AANLkTi=xBth36Y3qBDKs9HmvtEtB9OX8pt3fpLRkOPed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100825160117.AAE2E187663@autox.team.net>

The article indicates that the wider calipers they specify appear to 
be identical to the narrower calipers except for the added width.  I 
assume that means that the piston diameters are very similar, but it 
doesn't specifically state that.  We used the narrower calipers with 
a TR-6 master cylinder for a while, I'm pretty sure.  They sure look 
that way in the pictures - the lumps in the casting look identical to 
the narrower calipers bolted to my car, one being larger in diameter 
than the other.

 From the article:

The Toyota calipers are 4-piston units from a 1988- April 1989 Toyota 
4-Runner, 4WD, 4Cyl. They look the same as the non-vented Toyota 
calipers; they're just wider to fit the vented rotors.

Calipers - Fenco C8554, C8555, Cardone 19-827, 19-826 (includes fitting kit).

Advance Auto parts 4/2006 price: $37.48 each w/ a $25 core (4/06)


- Tony

At 05:15 AM 8/25/2010, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:
>All the wider Toyota calipers I have found that suit vented rotors, have
>bigger caliper pistons resulting in too much stroke of the TR6 master cyl..
>I have found versions with 2 x large & 2 x smaller  pistons and others with
>4 large pistons. The total piston area in all of these is much bigger than
>the stock TR caliper. The early hilux/4-runner ones made for solid rotors
>have differential size pistons that are almost identical in total piston
>area to a TR caliper. I am trying to find calipers with the smaller pistons,
>that are made for vented rotors.
>The excellent article entitled "toyota brake install" by Lee Janssen does
>not deal with this issue.
>
>Terry O'Beirne
>Australia
>_______________________________________________
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>
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Aug 25 10:02:08 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:02:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: SU HS6 Carbs for Sale]
Message-ID: <4C753E80.9020505@pobox.com>

If anyone is interested in these carbs, contact Sam.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	SU HS6 Carbs for Sale
Date: 	Wed, 25 Aug 2010 07:57:52 EDT
From: 	TRDOCTOR at aol.com
To: 	



 
 
I have a pair of HS6 carbs complete with manifold, linkage, and air 
cleaners for the 4 cyl. Triumph engine.  They are ready to bolt on and 
go.  They came off of our car during restoration and were running 
great.  They were set up by Jim Taylor and are ready to go.  $350
 
Sam


From markvaden at gmail.com  Wed Aug 25 12:16:44 2010
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:16:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Hoosier M6
Message-ID: <AANLkTik5ZQ3dS5aKviAx3mEwL-VC91rYPXKkfcMJxao3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I remember someone writing that you can buy the spec miata version of the R6
for a significant discount. Does any FOTer know of place in southern
california (San Diego preferably) that I can order a set?

Thanks,

Mark

-- 
Never miss a moment again...
www.video-replay.com

Check out my blog: http://parentphoto.blogspot.com/


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 25 15:38:19 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:38:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TOPEKA's     Father & Sons
Message-ID: <8CD12B4F85D74E0-4F7C-20E0@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com>

I was lookin for Father/Son Combinations this weekend...I found a few. And a
lot of pride to go with it.

FATHERS AND SONS

JACK DREWS                       TONY DREWS

JIM GRAY                             JIM GRAY

JOE ALEXANDER                 SEAN ALEXANDER

SEAN ALEXANDER               BRENDAN ALEXANDER

GREG OSTRONSKI               JASON OSTRONSKI

BOB KRAMER                      ANDREW KRAMER

         NIKAS                         JOHN NIKAS

(Wish my son Mark and his son could have been there, too)

John Nikas has his dad's original TR4

I think Jim Gray is driving his dad's old race prepared TR4.

If we had aircraft, we would have a 'missing man' formation but the influence
was still there.

Likely I am missing some folks, but these are the ones I know or could
remember.

What a legacy!


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 25 16:05:53 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:05:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] BOB JOHNS ON I-80     Witness to fiery fatal crash
Message-ID: <8CD12B8D206EE09-1D3C-2159@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com>

Bob called Tuesday. While traveling I-80 to Chicago a Jeep crossed the median
and struck a truck head-on.

Bob & Jean were 150 feet from being involved themselves and witnessed the
accident.

Eastbound lanes were closed for 90 minutes on I-80.

More indication of how fragile life is...

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------

(Good thing Gary Fuqua has good driving skills or I might be
incapacitated....following my errant AMBRO driving that resulted in a spin)

Thanks Gary!

Joe


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 25 16:21:25 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:21:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 2nd TOPEKA POSTER CALL
Message-ID: <8CD12BAFD728C3E-1D3C-25B4@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com>

FOT

I have requests for about 15 posters and maybe 40 left.

We have 297 folks on this list.

There must be 25 more folks that are interested enough to want a Kastner Cup
Poster........

and that have PayPal or a checkbook or cash.

I would like to dispose of them quickly and get it over with.

Or they will go on a shelf to steadily gain in value over the years.

Sam Halkias is immortalized, you know.

So 2nd Call is Last Call.

Thanks,

Joe A


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 25 16:23:53 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:23:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  TOPEKA's     Father & Sons
In-Reply-To: <8CD12B4F85D74E0-4F7C-20E0@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD12B4F85D74E0-4F7C-20E0@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CD12BB55DDA443-1D3C-266B@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com>

WHOOPS    OSTROWSKI   sorry





-----Original Message-----
From: n197tr4 at cs.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: Mark.Alexander.ctr at ang.af.mil
Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 4:38 pm
Subject: [Fot] TOPEKA's Father & Sons


I was lookin for Father/Son Combinations this weekend...I found a few. And a
ot of pride to go with it.
FATHERS AND SONS
JACK DREWS                       TONY DREWS
JIM GRAY                             JIM GRAY
JOE ALEXANDER                 SEAN ALEXANDER
SEAN ALEXANDER               BRENDAN ALEXANDER
GREG OSTRONSKI               JASON OSTRONSKI
BOB KRAMER                      ANDREW KRAMER
         NIKAS                         JOHN NIKAS
(Wish my son Mark and his son could have been there, too)
John Nikas has his dad's original TR4
I think Jim Gray is driving his dad's old race prepared TR4.
If we had aircraft, we would have a 'missing man' formation but the influence
as still there.
Likely I am missing some folks, but these are the ones I know or could
emember.
What a legacy!
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
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From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Wed Aug 25 16:38:37 2010
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:38:37 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Toyota calipers for TR's
In-Reply-To: <20100825161741.6F5A86FB6D@mail-in1.netspace.net.au>
References: <AANLkTi=N70R7_5HG-W+kw4=GEjGnwZuD3F72+etnEO2z@mail.gmail.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAAYXxIyW95VHi4L1tXoDc3MBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
	<AANLkTi=xBth36Y3qBDKs9HmvtEtB9OX8pt3fpLRkOPed@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100825161741.6F5A86FB6D@mail-in1.netspace.net.au>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAALM4tiwtuvxAteuj/FTN3zoBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>

Tony,
I concur with you and that's exactly the way I understood the calipers to
be. They have the same differential piston sizes, only being different with
respects to width for rotor design. I already run this style of caliper on
my TR4 with SOLID rotors.

Kind Regards
Peter Vucinic
TR-4





-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Drews [mailto:tony at tonydrews.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 26 August 2010 2:02 AM
To: Enquiries Road & Track; Peter Vucinic
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyota calipers for TR's

The article indicates that the wider calipers they specify appear to 
be identical to the narrower calipers except for the added width.  I 
assume that means that the piston diameters are very similar, but it 
doesn't specifically state that.  We used the narrower calipers with 
a TR-6 master cylinder for a while, I'm pretty sure.  They sure look 
that way in the pictures - the lumps in the casting look identical to 
the narrower calipers bolted to my car, one being larger in diameter 
than the other.

 From the article:

The Toyota calipers are 4-piston units from a 1988- April 1989 Toyota 
4-Runner, 4WD, 4Cyl. They look the same as the non-vented Toyota 
calipers; they're just wider to fit the vented rotors.

Calipers - Fenco C8554, C8555, Cardone 19-827, 19-826 (includes fitting
kit).

Advance Auto parts 4/2006 price: $37.48 each w/ a $25 core (4/06)


- Tony

At 05:15 AM 8/25/2010, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:
>All the wider Toyota calipers I have found that suit vented rotors, have
>bigger caliper pistons resulting in too much stroke of the TR6 master cyl..
>I have found versions with 2 x large & 2 x smaller  pistons and others with
>4 large pistons. The total piston area in all of these is much bigger than
>the stock TR caliper. The early hilux/4-runner ones made for solid rotors
>have differential size pistons that are almost identical in total piston
>area to a TR caliper. I am trying to find calipers with the smaller
pistons,
>that are made for vented rotors.
>The excellent article entitled "toyota brake install" by Lee Janssen does
>not deal with this issue.
>
>Terry O'Beirne
>Australia
>_______________________________________________
>fot at autox.team.net
>
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>
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From tr6nut at verizon.net  Wed Aug 25 16:42:45 2010
From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:42:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Toyota calipers for TR's
In-Reply-To: <20100825160117.AAE2E187663@autox.team.net>
References: <AANLkTi=N70R7_5HG-W+kw4=GEjGnwZuD3F72+etnEO2z@mail.gmail.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAAYXxIyW95VHi4L1tXoDc3MBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
	<AANLkTi=xBth36Y3qBDKs9HmvtEtB9OX8pt3fpLRkOPed@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100825160117.AAE2E187663@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4C759C65.3090309@verizon.net>

I guess I'll chime in (since I did the original parts lookup for the 
article way back when).  The calipers specified below have the same size 
pistons as the non-vented calipers.  There are other calipers that were 
fitted to the 6 cylinder truck that have larger pistons.  Those are the 
ones NOT to use (unless you are changing out your MC to something else 
as well).

Hugh Barber
Stafford, VA
'73 TR6


On 8/25/2010 12:02, Tony Drews wrote:
> The article indicates that the wider calipers they specify appear to 
> be identical to the narrower calipers except for the added width.  I 
> assume that means that the piston diameters are very similar, but it 
> doesn't specifically state that.  We used the narrower calipers with a 
> TR-6 master cylinder for a while, I'm pretty sure.  They sure look 
> that way in the pictures - the lumps in the casting look identical to 
> the narrower calipers bolted to my car, one being larger in diameter 
> than the other.
>
> From the article:
>
> The Toyota calipers are 4-piston units from a 1988- April 1989 Toyota 
> 4-Runner, 4WD, 4Cyl. They look the same as the non-vented Toyota 
> calipers; they're just wider to fit the vented rotors.
>
> Calipers - Fenco C8554, C8555, Cardone 19-827, 19-826 (includes 
> fitting kit).
>
> Advance Auto parts 4/2006 price: $37.48 each w/ a $25 core (4/06)


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 25 19:12:22 2010
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:12:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <4C71E01D.9040304@pobox.com>
References: <8CD106332C3B5DF-1B10-1F737@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com>
	<4C71E01D.9040304@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <000f01cb44bb$bd38a3d0$37a9eb70$@rr.com>

I would not be racing if not for the assistance (and parts) from Bob.

Thanks Bob.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Larry Young
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:43 PM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

And...... the Bill Ames award was passed to Bob Kramer.  Bob has helped 
countless Triumphs get on or back on to the race track.  He's one of the 
best drivers I know.  He gives away parts, is a gentleman racer, and he 
has towed to almost all of the FoT focus events.  A great guy and worthy 
recipient.
-Larry Young

n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> FoT,
>
> When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition,
> this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
>
> The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
>
> Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after
a
> great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
>
> This is what it is all about......
>
> John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at
Leguna
> Seca next June.  More details to follow.
>
> Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.
>
> We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
> beverages.
>
> Joe Alexander
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 25 19:51:02 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:51:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TOPEKA's     Father & Sons   AMENDED   TIM AND RYAN MURPHY
In-Reply-To: <000801cb44be$d9eb90c0$8dc2b240$@com>
References: <8CD12B4F85D74E0-4F7C-20E0@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com>
	<000801cb44be$d9eb90c0$8dc2b240$@com>
Message-ID: <8CD12D845A7FB2E-2410-13A6@Webmail-m104.sysops.aol.com>

this is not a tribute to my memory....see addition below.






I was lookin for Father/Son Combinations this weekend...I found a
few....several really. And a
ot of pride to go with it.
FATHERS AND SONS
TIM MURPHY                  RYAN MURPHY
JACK DREWS                       TONY DREWS
JIM GRAY                             JIM GRAY
JOE ALEXANDER                 SEAN ALEXANDER
SEAN ALEXANDER               BRENDAN ALEXANDER
GREG OSTROWSKI               JASON OSTROWSKI
BOB KRAMER                      ANDREW KRAMER
         NIKAS                         JOHN NIKAS
(Wish my son Mark and his son could have been there, too)
John Nikas has his dad's original TR4
I think Jim Gray is driving his dad's old race prepared TR4.
If we had aircraft, we would have a 'missing man' formation but the
nfluence
as still there.
Likely I am missing some folks, but these are the ones I know or could
emember.
What a legacy!
______________________________________________
ot at autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Wed Aug 25 19:51:40 2010
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:51:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] In Car Video - Road America
Message-ID: <9E7D853CCF864AC0A0026869A2F15E68@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Can anyone point me to some in car video from Road America, preferably in a
Spitfire, but any 4 speed would do.  I've found the great video from Tony
Drews, but all that overdrive stuff is confusing me.

Thanks in advance

Jim Norlin


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Aug 25 07:40:29 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:40:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca...now the 60th	Anniversary
	selection of venue.
In-Reply-To: <000001cb4456$b201cdd0$16056970$@net>
References: <AANLkTikHfPcPaunz7tX1wwXn0PeWvo-vTUndJ37CxgP2@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CD11B1C26A58CF-83C-FFEE@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
	<4C741D2F.7010300@bright.net> <000001cb4456$b201cdd0$16056970$@net>
Message-ID: <8CD127237921D5C-48CC-215DA@Webmail-m118.sysops.aol.com>

Craig,

Sebring will need a 'champion' to pursue it.

Ideally, the sanctioning body and venue want us there.

This 60th Anniversary  and  the Kastner Cup event is way too big for me to
pursue on my own.

We need solid proposals and someone to pursue them.

(It seems logical that we combine the 60th and the Kastner Cup together, of
course, but they are separate entities)

If John Nikas had not stepped forward with Leguna Seca, I am not sure where we
would be for 2011. Only 10 MONTHS AWAY.

VSCDA'S ELVF is interested, but wants to know shortly for planning purposes.

Road America is certainly a candidate.

So is MOSPORT, ROAD ATLANTA, LIME ROCK, and the rest of North America, for
that matter.

If anyone wants to pursue ANY venue, please let me know and I will try to
help.

Joe A




Ted's got a good point

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ted Schumacher
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:28 PM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: brad.kahler at 141.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca

Joe and list. In terms of historic significance, the most logical choice
is Sebring.  It is Sebring's 60th anniversary of the 12 Hour. Triumph
had a strong presence at the track over the years. Kas was a major
player at the track with the TR effort (and with Nissan if we dare say
that word), FOT member Ed Diehl drove the race in one of the factory
TR4's, etc. Downside is the 12 Hour is a very busy week-end and
depending on support races track time is ???  But, if  you want to be
part of a truly historic event, this is worth looking at.  No where else
will you be able to show the cars in front of 100,000 + people .  Ted



n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> Excellent!
>
> Not too soon to plan.
>
> There are others that are discussing this and shared information would be
> useful.
>
> John Nikas is thinking in terms of 75 Triumphs.
>
> Joe
>
> NOTE:  Sanctioning Body and Venue now needs to be decided for 2012 for the
> 60th Anniversary. We have two invitations, and several ideas. The ideas
have
> not yet developed into proposals.
>
> This will not be a unilateral decision.....it will be based on the best
> proposal that serves the best interests
> of the FOT.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com>
> To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 8:36 am
> Subject: [Fot] Making the haul to Laguna Seca
>
>
> I don't know if this is to early to start thinking about how some of
> s Easterners (yes I consider myself an Easterner because we live in
> he eastern time zone!) can maybe get together and rent a transporter
> o make the trip.
> I've dealt with two different transporters that I would trust with our
> ehicles.  One uses an enclosed trailer that could handle probably 6
> ehicles.  The other is a hot shot trucker with an open 40 foot
> railer that could probably haul 3 cars plus misc equipment.  Most
> eople don't like open trailers and the only reason I mention this guy
> s I consider him trust worthy and I know he watches over his loads
> herever he goes.
> Depending on circumstances we might be interested in sharing a common
> ransport with others that want to head from the easter half of the
> ountry to Laguna Seca.
> So for those of you who might want to have your car transported to CA
> nd back feel free to contact me off list.
> Brad
> ______________________________________________
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Wed Aug 25 20:52:14 2010
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:52:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
Message-ID: <F1FFB6343F234D6999C1CDA002225C0C@INSPIRON>

Will anyone be posting video of Topeka  thanks    rob


From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Thu Aug 26 06:59:38 2010
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:59:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
In-Reply-To: <F1FFB6343F234D6999C1CDA002225C0C@INSPIRON>
References: <F1FFB6343F234D6999C1CDA002225C0C@INSPIRON>
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Pictures would be nice to.

Craig


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:52 PM
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Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka

Will anyone be posting video of Topeka  thanks    rob
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu Aug 26 08:08:16 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:08:16 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Simon Watson's Email-New FOT from the UK
Message-ID: <5680b.303f0fea.39a7cf50@cs.com>

Mark,  here is new FOT Simon Watson's email address for inclusion on the 
list.

List, if you wish to contact Simon after meeting him at TOPEKA......

sjwtrman at aol.com
</HTML>


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Aug 26 08:09:25 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:09:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
In-Reply-To: <F1FFB6343F234D6999C1CDA002225C0C@INSPIRON>
Message-ID: <1654006730.315837.1282831765084.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I will be posting some in-car video and likely some stills. I'm just trying to
figure out which site

to post on. Youtube will accept up to 2g or 15 minutes. I'm looking around at
facebook

and photobucket. It amy take a week or so to edit and compile some photo's.

I'll post a message when I do.



Jim G.




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Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 8:52:14 PM
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka

Will anyone be posting video of Topeka B thanks B  B rob
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From igofaster at att.net  Thu Aug 26 08:27:50 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:27:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Stainless Steel Roll Bars
Message-ID: <44796.17099.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I don't think Chris is on F.O.T.   but he should be. I bought a set of Mikuni's 
from him for the GT6... Nice stuff.

I thought I would pass this along as I'm working with him on a Santa grab bag... 
If the group would like, I'll ask Chris if he wants to join the forum.

Bobby Whitehead

no financial indications for me one way or the other to pass this along...



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Subject: Stainless Steel Roll Bars

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From igofaster at att.net  Thu Aug 26 08:38:53 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:38:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <000f01cb44bb$bd38a3d0$37a9eb70$@rr.com>
References: <8CD106332C3B5DF-1B10-1F737@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com>
	<4C71E01D.9040304@pobox.com> <000f01cb44bb$bd38a3d0$37a9eb70$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <886958.85767.qm@web180818.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I met Bob Kramer back in 1994-1995 when we lived in Austin and CVAR had Group 5 
which was "run what you brung" ... Bob was racing a TR3 with CVAR and I had one 
of those brand new 1994 Mustang 5.0 we ran a few times with CVAR. I was always a 
Triumph guy and even ran our street TR6 at CVAR once or twice till the 
non-prepared engine figured holding 6000 rpm was not fun anymore.
Bob has always been and continues to be one of the best guys you can have in the 
garage when we are perplexed about the ins' and outs' of amateur drivers like me 
trying to get a 40 year old car to go faster than it was built to go. As far as 
his roving parts bins, I'll bet he could pull a quarter panel out of one if you 
asked  ...   :  )
Getting back into CVAR in 1997 and racing a GT6 (I've only owned about 19) has 
been one of the most fun things I've ever done besides deep sea fishing for 
tuna.... both with my clothes on....
Countless times I've called Bob and he has always taken the time to help me with 
my quandary concerning the GT6 and Triumph speak... he's a really great guy, 
with a really great family, and his lovely wife Barbara ain't too bad on the 
eyes either !!!
Congratulations Bob Kramer, you deserve the recognition! 

Bobby Whitehead




________________________________
From: Greg & Alison Blake <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 8:12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

I would not be racing if not for the assistance (and parts) from Bob.

Thanks Bob.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Larry Young
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:43 PM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

And...... the Bill Ames award was passed to Bob Kramer.  Bob has helped 
countless Triumphs get on or back on to the race track.  He's one of the 
best drivers I know.  He gives away parts, is a gentleman racer, and he 
has towed to almost all of the FoT focus events.  A great guy and worthy 
recipient.
-Larry Young

n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> FoT,
>
> When measured in terms of friendship, support, track time and competition,
> this may be one of the best Kastner Cups ever.
>
> The FoT and the Kastner Cup was the show.
>
> Keith Files from London England was the recipient of the Kastner Cup after
a
> great drive and a very consistently fast weekend.
>
> This is what it is all about......
>
> John Nikas announced the Kastner Cup location next year. It will be at
Leguna
> Seca next June.  More details to follow.
>
> Of course Kas & Peg were a delight.
>
> We missed seeing Mark Bradakis and are glad he is alive and taking adult
> beverages.
>
> Joe Alexander
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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 26 08:41:14 2010
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:41:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
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	<001701cb451e$8a953200$9fbf9600$@net>
Message-ID: <542728.22566.qm@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

And a link to AMB lap times

Mike




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From:
Craig <wensley_tr at comcast.net>
To: Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; FoT Triumph
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 7:59:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot]
video/Topeka

Pictures would be nice to.

Craig


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Of Rob
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:52 PM
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Subject:
[Fot] video/Topeka

Will anyone be posting video of Topeka  thanks    rob
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Aug 26 10:05:30 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:05:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Stainless Steel Roll Bars
In-Reply-To: <44796.17099.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Not trying to be funny here, but SS roll bars seem like a bad idea. Plus 
I'm relatively certain that they are not allowed by some sanctioning 
bodies (SCCA comes to mind).

regards,
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From jason at multivintage.com  Thu Aug 26 11:37:06 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:37:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
Message-ID: <AANLkTimqObcUd2+hCS61QSyf-gAM0bkQgWpwbMez3uFr@mail.gmail.com>

Hello FOT.
I would like to nominate Brad Allen to our group. This Fine Triumph
Enthusiast saved me from missing the Kastner Cup. Not only did he give me a
trans to get in the race, he stayed with us and helped us for 6 hours
putting the car back together. He knows a lot about fast GT6's and would be
a great addition to FOT.
Can I please have a second!
Thanks
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27

Brad Allen's contact is bradgt6 at hotmail.com


From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Thu Aug 26 11:55:45 2010
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:55:45 +0100
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
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References: <F1FFB6343F234D6999C1CDA002225C0C@INSPIRON>
	<001701cb451e$8a953200$9fbf9600$@net>
Message-ID: <58BB66A2B5A347DE9450C4F12618D83F@homekeith>

Loads of photo's on www.darylsphotos.com

Keith



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Craig
Sent: 26 August 2010 14:00
To: 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka

Pictures would be nice to.

Craig


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Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:52 PM
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Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka

Will anyone be posting video of Topeka  thanks    rob
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From andre at gt6.ca  Thu Aug 26 12:10:17 2010
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:10:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimqObcUd2+hCS61QSyf-gAM0bkQgWpwbMez3uFr@mail.gmail.com>
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GT6 owner is always a must.

A.

On 26 August 2010 13:37, Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com> wrote:
> Hello FOT.
> I would like to nominate Brad Allen to our group. This Fine Triumph
> Enthusiast saved me from missing the Kastner Cup. Not only did he give me a
> trans to get in the race, he stayed with us and helped us for 6 hours
> putting the car back together. He knows a lot about fast GT6's and would be
> a great addition to FOT.
> Can I please have a second!
> Thanks
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27
>
> Brad Allen's contact is bradgt6 at hotmail.com
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Aug 26 12:18:54 2010
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:18:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimqObcUd2+hCS61QSyf-gAM0bkQgWpwbMez3uFr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimqObcUd2+hCS61QSyf-gAM0bkQgWpwbMez3uFr@mail.gmail.com>
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I'll second that!  As we were paddocked next to you, I saw all the work you
guys did to make the race.  Brad sure seems to fit the spirit of the FOT.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:37 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er

Hello FOT.
I would like to nominate Brad Allen to our group. This Fine Triumph
Enthusiast saved me from missing the Kastner Cup. Not only did he give me a
trans to get in the race, he stayed with us and helped us for 6 hours
putting the car back together. He knows a lot about fast GT6's and would be
a great addition to FOT.
Can I please have a second!
Thanks
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27

Brad Allen's contact is bradgt6 at hotmail.com
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Thu Aug 26 12:44:51 2010
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:44:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot]  2012 Kastners Kup
References: <371F1A75-D629-4934-A3B8-1BC390418C2E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <EA4C5126-021A-4720-BB84-93D06ADB0DBA@aol.com>

>> I don't know what is prompting me to do this but.........,
>>
>> I am minutes away from NJMP here in Millville NJ.  With much and much more
help I might be willing to champion this cause.    There might be a way to
combine it with a few different races during the year.  First one that comes
to mind is a historic race in September.  There is also an airshow with car
racing.
>>
>> What the heck did I just commit myself to?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Sent from my IPhone
>>
> =


From jerrybarr at charter.net  Thu Aug 26 12:53:29 2010
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (jerrybarr at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:53:29 +0000
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
Message-ID: <902172812-1282848809-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1492482043-@bda835.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I second! We need More GT6 racers and technicians.
------Original Message------
From: Jason Ostrowski
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
Sent: Aug 26, 2010 12:37 PM

Hello FOT.
I would like to nominate Brad Allen to our group. This Fine Triumph
Enthusiast saved me from missing the Kastner Cup. Not only did he give me a
trans to get in the race, he stayed with us and helped us for 6 hours
putting the car back together. He knows a lot about fast GT6's and would be
a great addition to FOT.
Can I please have a second!
Thanks
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27

Brad Allen's contact is bradgt6 at hotmail.com
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu Aug 26 13:02:03 2010
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:02:03 EDT
Subject: [Fot] SPONSORSHIP-NEW FOT RUSS WESTFALL-MINNEAPOLIS
Message-ID: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>

Russ Westfall came specifically to TOPEKA to see the Kastner Cup and the 
FOT.

This resulted in the purchase of a TR4 race car from Bill Swopes which he 
is going to prepare for vintage racing by next year. The transaction was 
consummated today. 

Mark Bradakis, please add  Russ Westfall  (rw at dnrsales.com) to our FOT 
list.  

FOT list, be prepared to support Russ as he is new to Triumph racing. He 
has been to a Skip Barber school at Road America with Duck Waddle as his 
instructor and runs track days with his Corvette.

A welcome to Russ is in order.

Regards,

Joe Alexander</HTML>


From mdporter at dfn.com  Thu Aug 26 13:17:49 2010
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:17:49 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Stainless Steel Roll Bars
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008261204160.3474@isis.mit.edu>
References: <44796.17099.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008261204160.3474@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <4C76BDDD.3020000@dfn.com>

  On 8/26/2010 10:05 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote:
> Not trying to be funny here, but SS roll bars seem like a bad idea. 
> Plus I'm relatively certain that they are not allowed by some 
> sanctioning bodies (SCCA comes to mind).
>


Likely true about not complying with the rules, for much the same reason 
as high-tensile steels are not recommended or sometimes not allowed.  
Most commonly available grades of stainless (with the possible exception 
of 409, which has just enough chromium to qualify as a stainless, less 
than 5%) have enough chromium to make them more brittle than malleable 
steels.    In similar thicknesses, they don't form as well, either.  
More ductile steels stretch quite a bit up to the yield point and then 
go on stretching until failure, absorbing energy as they do so (pretty 
much the same principle of energy-absorbing deformation in unit bodies 
today).


More brittle materials stretch less under load, and have a smaller range 
of deformation under load between the yield point and failure.  
Therefore, a cage made of 1020 steel bends, while a cage made with a 
high-chrome stainless or, say, 4130, will resist deformation better, but 
once loaded much past the yield point will break.  Once it breaks, it is 
no longer absorbing energy, and becomes a potential threat to safety 
(who wants a loose spear in the cockpit as the car is rolling over?).


Nothing's really gained by stainless, anyway, except for some additional 
corrosion protection.  Stiffness is determined by section modulus and 
Young's modulus.    Bars made with, say, 1020 and 304 with the exact 
same tube cross-section will be equally stiff, because the section 
modulus is identical, and the difference in Young's modulus between mild 
steel and stainless is negligible.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Thu Aug 26 13:22:53 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:22:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 2012 Kastners - VIR in April?
In-Reply-To: <EA4C5126-021A-4720-BB84-93D06ADB0DBA@aol.com>
References: <371F1A75-D629-4934-A3B8-1BC390418C2E@comcast.net>
	<EA4C5126-021A-4720-BB84-93D06ADB0DBA@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AB7AEB7B-370E-4868-AD02-D32D2F89C505@comcast.net>

VDCA event.  This is earlier in the year, but it already seems to have  
a big gathering of the East Coast tribe anyway, and gets great  
reviews.  Historic track, wonderful place to paddock . . .


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Aug 26 13:37:47 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:37:47 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
References: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
Message-ID: <001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>

Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris


From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Aug 26 14:02:16 2010
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:02:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
References: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
	<001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=GSZb188M-7r_GpbZJfy4JzsXrsN_Tq4EXiGzb@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps I'm off base and/or forgetting my basic geometry, but isn't the
track supposed be measured at a point on the rim on the (horizontal)
centerline of the wheel and thus should not be effectively increased by
camber, but rather decreased as the camber pulls that point closer to the
center of the car? (unless, of course the standard is measured with positive
camber and the negative is less than absolute value of the positive
measurement...)

Of course, having rims too wide or with the wrong offset would cause it, as
would measuring at the top or bottom of the rim.


On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:37 PM, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> Question:
> I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
> measure track width at the next event.
>
> I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
> width.
>
> Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:
>
> Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
> Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"
>
> He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
> camber he gets over the max track width.
> For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
> negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.
>
> I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
> experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
> values.
>
> Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
> Or is this a common problem with that car?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Aug 26 14:05:31 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:05:31 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=GSZb188M-7r_GpbZJfy4JzsXrsN_Tq4EXiGzb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
	<001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
	<AANLkTi=GSZb188M-7r_GpbZJfy4JzsXrsN_Tq4EXiGzb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001b01cb455a$0b8eeb40$22acc1c0$@com>

The rules say to measure where the wheel stands on the pavement in the
middle of the tire.

So negative camber will be counted in.

 

Von: robert bownes [mailto:bownes at seiri.com] 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. August 2010 22:02
An: MadMarx
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

 


Perhaps I'm off base and/or forgetting my basic geometry, but isn't the
track supposed be measured at a point on the rim on the (horizontal)
centerline of the wheel and thus should not be effectively increased by
camber, but rather decreased as the camber pulls that point closer to the
center of the car? (unless, of course the standard is measured with positive
camber and the negative is less than absolute value of the positive
measurement...)

Of course, having rims too wide or with the wrong offset would cause it, as
would measuring at the top or bottom of the rim.



On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:37 PM, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Thu Aug 26 14:08:48 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:08:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
In-Reply-To: <58BB66A2B5A347DE9450C4F12618D83F@homekeith>
References: <F1FFB6343F234D6999C1CDA002225C0C@INSPIRON>
	<001701cb451e$8a953200$9fbf9600$@net>
	<58BB66A2B5A347DE9450C4F12618D83F@homekeith>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A08A7E79F4F@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Is anyone having any luck opening the 2010 photos?

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson





-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Keith Files
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:56 PM
To: 'Craig'; 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka

Loads of photo's on www.darylsphotos.com

Keith



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Craig
Sent: 26 August 2010 14:00
To: 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka

Pictures would be nice to.

Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:52 PM
To: FoT Triumph
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka

Will anyone be posting video of Topeka  thanks    rob
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Aug 26 14:10:07 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:10:07 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A80149@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
	<001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A80148@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<001701cb4559$007a1dc0$016e5940$@com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A80149@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <002001cb455a$b0ff5dd0$12fe1970$@com>

Maybe you have your race cars track width handy so I have values to compare.
Also how much negative camber you run so I might can advice him to run less
of it if he has much more negative camber.



-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. August 2010 22:02
An: MadMarx
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500

As the rear transverse leaf spring sags, the car gets lower to the ground
(including the differential mounted in the frame).  Since the rear axles are
one unit from the wheel to the differential, the lower the differential gets
to the ground the more negative camber there is at the rear wheels.  The
more negative camber there is, the wider the track will get.

This will also be effected by any change of the wheel offset or addition of
spacers to move the wheel outward from the wheel flange on the axle.  Or
longer, non-stock axles.

Up front, the lower wishbone is moved in or out by the addition or removal
of shims.  If you want negative camber, it takes addition of some shims to
get the bottom wishbone pushed outward, moving the bottom of the upright
outward to give the negative camber desired.  This would widen the front
track as well.

Does that help?

I would think some allowance for additional width over the stock track would
be necessary.

Scott



-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 2:58 PM
To: Barr, Scott
Subject: AW: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500

We measure at the bottom of the center tire.

I hope you can clear my confusion that a Spit is that wide.

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. August 2010 21:53
An: MadMarx
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500

Where is the track width measured?  At the hub?  At the bottom, top or
center of the tire?

Yes, it's very common for any swing-axle car to have a lot of negative
camber as it gets lower, unless you also move the differential up in the
frame.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 2:38 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max
track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve
negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much
offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Aug 26 14:13:22 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:13:22 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500
References: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
	<001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A80148@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<001701cb4559$007a1dc0$016e5940$@com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A80149@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> 
Message-ID: <002201cb455b$22f84eb0$68e8ec10$@com>

We have stock width + 2" as max track width.

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. August 2010 22:10
An: 'Barr, Scott'
Cc: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500

Maybe you have your race cars track width handy so I have values to compare.
Also how much negative camber you run so I might can advice him to run less
of it if he has much more negative camber.



-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. August 2010 22:02
An: MadMarx
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500

As the rear transverse leaf spring sags, the car gets lower to the ground
(including the differential mounted in the frame).  Since the rear axles are
one unit from the wheel to the differential, the lower the differential gets
to the ground the more negative camber there is at the rear wheels.  The
more negative camber there is, the wider the track will get.

This will also be effected by any change of the wheel offset or addition of
spacers to move the wheel outward from the wheel flange on the axle.  Or
longer, non-stock axles.

Up front, the lower wishbone is moved in or out by the addition or removal
of shims.  If you want negative camber, it takes addition of some shims to
get the bottom wishbone pushed outward, moving the bottom of the upright
outward to give the negative camber desired.  This would widen the front
track as well.

Does that help?

I would think some allowance for additional width over the stock track would
be necessary.

Scott



-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 2:58 PM
To: Barr, Scott
Subject: AW: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500

We measure at the bottom of the center tire.

I hope you can clear my confusion that a Spit is that wide.

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. August 2010 21:53
An: MadMarx
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Track width of Spitfire 1500

Where is the track width measured?  At the hub?  At the bottom, top or
center of the tire?

Yes, it's very common for any swing-axle car to have a lot of negative
camber as it gets lower, unless you also move the differential up in the
frame.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 2:38 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max
track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve
negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much
offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Aug 26 14:15:13 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:15:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
Message-ID: <20100826201511.RZPS4042.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

A longer rear spring will produce a reduced negative camber at the rear.  Or
he might even consider getting rid of the rocker box and revert to an early
spring.  This will reduce the body roll and likely will require tweaking the
entire suspension in order to balance the car and achieve the handling he
desires.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:38 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Aug 26 14:19:40 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:19:40 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <20100826201511.RZPS4042.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
References: <001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
	<20100826201511.RZPS4042.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
Message-ID: <002401cb455c$04790960$0d6b1c20$@com>

Okay, that would be a major work but what can I advice him to get done in
two weeks from now?
I would need reference measurements to get a feel how other Spitis track
width come out.
We allow to be 2" more than stock and that is okay for all cars - I thought.
Now why does the Spiti has a problem? That I would like to find out but I
have to get more knowledge about the suspension and how your guys cars track
width come out.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. August 2010 22:15
An: 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

A longer rear spring will produce a reduced negative camber at the rear.  Or
he might even consider getting rid of the rocker box and revert to an early
spring.  This will reduce the body roll and likely will require tweaking the
entire suspension in order to balance the car and achieve the handling he
desires.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:38 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris
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From claus at triumphracing.net  Thu Aug 26 14:38:27 2010
From: claus at triumphracing.net (claus at triumphracing.net)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:38:27 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
References: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
	<001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
Message-ID: <99a4727369561ee0ac70ea5934ab6ad0.squirrel@webmail01.one.com>

I was under the impression that the track was always measured with a
neutral camber, but I've just checked the FIA appendix K and couldn't find
that mentioned, so maybe I dreamt it up. Would have solved your racer's
problem, though.

Regards,
Claus



Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Aug 26 14:40:14 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:40:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <002401cb455c$04790960$0d6b1c20$@com>
Message-ID: <20100826204012.SFUK23088.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

According to the Haynes manual, the track of a Spitfire 1500 is:

Front: 49" (121.9 cm)
Rear: 50" (127 cm)

Therefore, the rules specification would indicate that there is ample room
to increase the track beyond stock.  So I can't see how it would be
difficult to comply.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----


Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Thu Aug 26 14:55:45 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:55:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A08A7E79F4F@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <159115.67041.qm@smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

They are really slow to open. If you move your cursor over them and check
the small circle that appears, then double click the picture again, a larger
picture with the word PROOF appears over it. It appears that this is the way
to purchase them.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Kramer, Robert
Sent: August 26, 2010 4:09 PM
To: 'FoT Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka

Is anyone having any luck opening the 2010 photos?

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson





-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf
Of Keith Files
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:56 PM
To: 'Craig'; 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka

Loads of photo's on www.darylsphotos.com

Keith



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Craig
Sent: 26 August 2010 14:00
To: 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka

Pictures would be nice to.

Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:52 PM
To: FoT Triumph
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka

Will anyone be posting video of Topeka  thanks    rob
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From kaskas at cox.net  Thu Aug 26 15:18:40 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:18:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Topeka races
Message-ID: <20100826171840.XAZJZ.613277.imail@fed1rmwml39>

The folks at Topeka were really exceptional in their hospitality and willingness to have it just as "right" as we'd like to have it. Thanks to them, and all the TR people, it was a good and Triumphant time.

No one has ever asked me about the judging of the winner of the Kastner Cup[.  I am kind of surprised, but thats just fine with me. I managed to watch ever session from Thursday through the race on Sunday, see every car, and took splits and laps times on most of the cars. I saw the race from a very good vantage point that was about 25 seconds long, and watched every lap and saw every car. I saw poor moves and good moves and fast guys and people not having a great time, spin outs, off course excursions, close encounters and terrific driving. That were SEVERAL standout performances. It was difficult to finally see that only one could be the winner of this award, I even considered announcing a list of the people whom I thought 'were in it".  But, common  and good sense told me that was foolish, so I made a judgment of performance, off track personality and thus the winner was settled. Thanks to all who participated and it appeared that all of us had a great time. Lets to it again.
--
Never be beaten by equipment


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Aug 26 15:18:31 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:18:31 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <99a4727369561ee0ac70ea5934ab6ad0.squirrel@webmail01.one.com>
References: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
	<001501cb4556$2a6865e0$7f3931a0$@com>
	<99a4727369561ee0ac70ea5934ab6ad0.squirrel@webmail01.one.com>
Message-ID: <003701cb4564$3f4d5570$bde80050$@com>

I looked at the FIA rules and they say in the middle of the contact patch of
the tire.


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von claus at triumphracing.net
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. August 2010 22:38
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

I was under the impression that the track was always measured with a
neutral camber, but I've just checked the FIA appendix K and couldn't find
that mentioned, so maybe I dreamt it up. Would have solved your racer's
problem, though.

Regards,
Claus



Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Aug 26 15:26:29 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:26:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <99a4727369561ee0ac70ea5934ab6ad0.squirrel@webmail01.one.com>
Message-ID: <20100826212639.UNYZ3042.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

I don't think there is any such thing as a "Neutral Camber" 1500 because of
the longer axles they came with.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of claus at triumphracing.net
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:38 PM
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

I was under the impression that the track was always measured with a
neutral camber, but I've just checked the FIA appendix K and couldn't find
that mentioned, so maybe I dreamt it up. Would have solved your racer's
problem, though.

Regards,
Claus



Hi guys,

Question:
I have to look after the rules of our group and announced that we will
measure track width at the next event.

I got the question of a Spiti racer how he should stay under the max track
width.

Our rules says that the max track width of that car (Spitfire 1500) is:

Front: 1296 mm = 51.02"
Rear: 1321.6 mm = 52.03"

He says, if he does use the wishbone spacers at front to achieve negative
camber he gets over the max track width.
For the rear he claims that his leaf sping is weak, so he has lots of
negative camber and the he is over the track width at rear also.

I'm not so familiar with that car but maybe you can help me with your
experience how difficult it would be to stay under the max track width
values.

Does his trouble do come from the wheel rims? Too wide or too much offset?
Or is this a common problem with that car?

Cheers
Chris
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Aug 26 15:56:40 2010
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:56:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
References: <159115.67041.qm@smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F849A59271C14408AA6D2C83A3029F9D@latitudefb1e41>

I'm at home now and they open fine on my home computer. Our security 
software at work didn't like them.

Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
excellence.
Vince Lombardi
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "macdonaldp" <macdonaldp at rogers.com>
To: "'Kramer, Robert'" <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>; "'FoT Triumph'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka


> They are really slow to open. If you move your cursor over them and check
> the small circle that appears, then double click the picture again, a 
> larger
> picture with the word PROOF appears over it. It appears that this is the 
> way
> to purchase them.
>
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Kramer, Robert
> Sent: August 26, 2010 4:09 PM
> To: 'FoT Triumph'
> Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka
>
> Is anyone having any luck opening the 2010 photos?
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sales Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35
> Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-272-4141 Office
> 512-657-8526 Cell
> Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
> keys to your success.
> ~Mac Anderson
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf
> Of Keith Files
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:56 PM
> To: 'Craig'; 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
> Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka
>
> Loads of photo's on www.darylsphotos.com
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Craig
> Sent: 26 August 2010 14:00
> To: 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
> Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka
>
> Pictures would be nice to.
>
> Craig
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Rob
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:52 PM
> To: FoT Triumph
> Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
>
> Will anyone be posting video of Topeka  thanks    rob
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Thu Aug 26 16:02:51 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:02:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
In-Reply-To: <F1FFB6343F234D6999C1CDA002225C0C@INSPIRON><001701cb451e$8a953200$9fbf9600$@net>
	<58BB66A2B5A347DE9450C4F12618D83F@homekeith>
References: <F1FFB6343F234D6999C1CDA002225C0C@INSPIRON><001701cb451e$8a953200$9fbf9600$@net>
	<58BB66A2B5A347DE9450C4F12618D83F@homekeith>
Message-ID: <BAY157-ds413867BF26681BA16F80EC3850@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the link Keith.

I hope the trip home was uneventful.


Terry Stetler.


From mdporter at dfn.com  Thu Aug 26 16:10:35 2010
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:10:35 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <20100826204012.SFUK23088.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
References: <20100826204012.SFUK23088.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
Message-ID: <4C76E65B.3020207@dfn.com>

  On 8/26/2010 2:40 PM, Joe Curry wrote:
> According to the Haynes manual, the track of a Spitfire 1500 is:
>
> Front: 49" (121.9 cm)
> Rear: 50" (127 cm)
>

Hmm, the rear track inches to centimeters conversion is correct, but, 
the front is not.  121.9 cm is 47.99", which would be rounded to 48".


Depends on which measurement comes from the factory, I suppose, and 
where the track is supposed to be measured.  I always thought that the 
track was supposed to be measured through the center of the wheel, in 
order to minimize the distortions in the measurement occurring due to 
camber, and because camber is variable across the range of motion.  For 
the Spit, even if the outside front track allowable by the rules was 51 
inches and change, modest camber changes would take up a lot of that 
three-inch difference, since the stock Spit has maybe 1-1/2 deg. 
positive camber to begin with, presuming that track is measured at the 
bottom of the wheel.


In this case, at any rate, I'd trust the factory figures, rather than 
those in Haynes, if some baseline is necessary.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....


From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Aug 26 16:23:59 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:23:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <4C76E65B.3020207@dfn.com>
Message-ID: <20100826222358.VDDN23088.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

Oops, that should have read 49" (124.5).  I copied the rear track in cm from
the Mk1-MkIV models.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Porter [mailto:mdporter at dfn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 3:11 PM
To: Joe Curry
Cc: 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500

  On 8/26/2010 2:40 PM, Joe Curry wrote:
> According to the Haynes manual, the track of a Spitfire 1500 is:
>
> Front: 49" (121.9 cm)
> Rear: 50" (127 cm)
>

Hmm, the rear track inches to centimeters conversion is correct, but, 
the front is not.  121.9 cm is 47.99", which would be rounded to 48".


Depends on which measurement comes from the factory, I suppose, and 
where the track is supposed to be measured.  I always thought that the 
track was supposed to be measured through the center of the wheel, in 
order to minimize the distortions in the measurement occurring due to 
camber, and because camber is variable across the range of motion.  For 
the Spit, even if the outside front track allowable by the rules was 51 
inches and change, modest camber changes would take up a lot of that 
three-inch difference, since the stock Spit has maybe 1-1/2 deg. 
positive camber to begin with, presuming that track is measured at the 
bottom of the wheel.


In this case, at any rate, I'd trust the factory figures, rather than 
those in Haynes, if some baseline is necessary.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking
distance....


From cartravel at pobox.com  Thu Aug 26 18:10:52 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:10:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <AC95D585B8BD49BB9C16B6846E5CF7D8@latitudefb1e41>
References: <AC95D585B8BD49BB9C16B6846E5CF7D8@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <4C77028C.5060606@pobox.com>

Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or 
elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
Larry


From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Aug 26 19:03:50 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:03:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
In-Reply-To: <1654006730.315837.1282831765084.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1654006730.315837.1282831765084.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4C770EF6.3080602@bradakis.com>

toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:
> I will be posting some in-car video and likely some stills. I'm just trying to
> figure out which site
>
> to post on.
>    

During the nearly 5 years I was without a real job I should have
spent more time on Team.Net stuff.  The pages at

http://www.team.net/the-local

showed a lot of promise for this sort of thing.  In truth I need to
do some major reworking of ALL the Team.Net web pages.

RealSoonNow.

mjb.


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Aug 26 19:09:55 2010
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:09:55 -0600
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <4C77028C.5060606@pobox.com>
References: <AC95D585B8BD49BB9C16B6846E5CF7D8@latitudefb1e41>
	<4C77028C.5060606@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <CC56D9A9-92C6-4C49-AD19-1DAD4457585D@comcast.net>

That would be great

Jim g

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 26, 2010, at 6:10 PM, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:

> Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
> elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the  
> results.
> Larry
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Aug 26 23:34:14 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:34:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <4C77028C.5060606@pobox.com>
References: <AC95D585B8BD49BB9C16B6846E5CF7D8@latitudefb1e41>
	<4C77028C.5060606@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <20100827053333.1A24F187663@autox.team.net>

I didn't see them make it to mylaps.com even thought it has their URL 
at the bottom of each of the timing sheets.  I scanned them in 
reverse chronological order to a PDF file and posted them here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/HPT_Vintage_Results0001.pdf

- Tony Drews

At 07:10 PM 8/26/2010, Larry Young wrote:
>Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
>elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
>Larry


From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Aug 27 00:10:51 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:10:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <20100827053333.1A24F187663@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20100827061101.HGJH29852.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>

Was Joe Hovey the only one who brought a Spitfire?  That is the only one
listed in your link.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:34 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

I didn't see them make it to mylaps.com even thought it has their URL 
at the bottom of each of the timing sheets.  I scanned them in 
reverse chronological order to a PDF file and posted them here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/HPT_Vintage_Results0001.pdf

- Tony Drews

At 07:10 PM 8/26/2010, Larry Young wrote:
>Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
>elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
>Larry
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Aug 27 01:01:46 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:01:46 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
In-Reply-To: <20100827070026.JASQ3042.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
References: <000001cb45b4$a72c01a0$f58404e0$@com>
	<20100827070026.JASQ3042.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
Message-ID: <000101cb45b5$b8f0ff70$2ad2fe50$@com>

What kind of wheel offset do you run?
And what track width would that give?

Cheers
Chris


From REK46 at aol.com  Fri Aug 27 03:43:05 2010
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 05:43:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Trackwidth of Spitfire 1500
Message-ID: <3b58.1ff22855.39a8e2a9@aol.com>

FYI...the current SCCA rules for max track are: 1500= 53.6" frt and 54.6"  
rear..........1300= 53.6" frt and 52.6" rear,  measured between the center  
of the rims of two wheels at one end of the car,with any angular adjustments 
at  normal settings and steered wheels in the straight ahead 
position...Quote from  2010 GCR and PCS.
 
 
In a message dated 8/26/2010 6:38:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mdporter at dfn.com writes:

On 8/26/2010 2:40 PM, Joe Curry wrote:
> According to the Haynes manual,  the track of a Spitfire 1500 is:
>
> Front: 49" (121.9 cm)
>  Rear: 50" (127 cm)
>

Hmm, the rear track inches to centimeters  conversion is correct, but, 
the front is not.  121.9 cm is 47.99",  which would be rounded to 48".


Depends on which measurement comes  from the factory, I suppose, and 
where the track is supposed to be  measured.  I always thought that the 
track was supposed to be  measured through the center of the wheel, in 
order to minimize the  distortions in the measurement occurring due to 
camber, and because camber  is variable across the range of motion.  For 
the Spit, even if the  outside front track allowable by the rules was 51 
inches and change,  modest camber changes would take up a lot of that 
three-inch difference,  since the stock Spit has maybe 1-1/2 deg. 
positive camber to begin with,  presuming that track is measured at the 
bottom of the wheel.


In  this case, at any rate, I'd trust the factory figures, rather than 
those  in Haynes, if some baseline is necessary.


Cheers.

--  


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Roswell, NM


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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Fri Aug 27 07:08:49 2010
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:08:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka
In-Reply-To: <58BB66A2B5A347DE9450C4F12618D83F@homekeith>
References: <F1FFB6343F234D6999C1CDA002225C0C@INSPIRON>
	<001701cb451e$8a953200$9fbf9600$@net>
	<58BB66A2B5A347DE9450C4F12618D83F@homekeith>
Message-ID: <006901cb45e8$fd9cec00$f8d6c400$@net>

Thanks Keith

Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Files [mailto:keithfiles at btinternet.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:56 PM
To: 'Craig'; 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
Subject: RE: [Fot] video/Topeka

Loads of photo's on www.darylsphotos.com

Keith



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Craig
Sent: 26 August 2010 14:00
To: 'Rob'; 'FoT Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] video/Topeka

Pictures would be nice to.

Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:52 PM
To: FoT Triumph
Subject: [Fot] video/Topeka

Will anyone be posting video of Topeka  thanks    rob
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Aug 27 09:06:00 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:06:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <20100827061101.HGJH29852.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
References: <20100827061101.HGJH29852.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
Message-ID: <20100827100600.snc4osmv4484sokc@www.tonydrews.com>

The "smaller" TR's were in group 2 and I don't have their timesheets.

Tony Drews

Quoting Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>:

> Was Joe Hovey the only one who brought a Spitfire?  That is the only one
> listed in your link.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Tony Drews
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:34 PM
> To: Larry Young
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
>
> I didn't see them make it to mylaps.com even thought it has their URL
> at the bottom of each of the timing sheets.  I scanned them in
> reverse chronological order to a PDF file and posted them here:
> http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/HPT_Vintage_Results0001.pdf
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 07:10 PM 8/26/2010, Larry Young wrote:
>> Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
>> elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
>> Larry


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Fri Aug 27 09:29:59 2010
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:29:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <20100827100600.snc4osmv4484sokc@www.tonydrews.com>
References: <20100827061101.HGJH29852.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
	<20100827100600.snc4osmv4484sokc@www.tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A08A7E7A708@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Joe was the only Spitfire that was registered. Rocky Entriken displayed his.
There was only one TR3 as well, Jeff Snook's. It was a TR4 Fest.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
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Pflugerville, TX 78660
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512-657-8526 Cell
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keys to your success.
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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of tony at tonydrews.com
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:06 AM
To: Joe Curry
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

The "smaller" TR's were in group 2 and I don't have their timesheets.

Tony Drews

Quoting Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>:

> Was Joe Hovey the only one who brought a Spitfire?  That is the only one
> listed in your link.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Tony Drews
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:34 PM
> To: Larry Young
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
>
> I didn't see them make it to mylaps.com even thought it has their URL
> at the bottom of each of the timing sheets.  I scanned them in
> reverse chronological order to a PDF file and posted them here:
> http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/HPT_Vintage_Results0001.pdf
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 07:10 PM 8/26/2010, Larry Young wrote:
>> Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
>> elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
>> Larry
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From riverside at southslope.net  Fri Aug 27 11:14:38 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:14:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heartland pics
Message-ID: <002701cb460b$5510a590$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Wow!  What a great album and so many great looking TR's

I should have not been surprised to see one of  the few race cars
i have driven in the last decade or so.   The #34 Studebaker Indy
car.  Was Augie Grassis driving?   He has done a great job with
that old beast.   Ron and I drove it at the Milwaukee Mile , me in
two diferent events.  Great grunt and skinny tire cornering but what
a hoot.   The guys who put a whole day into racing those things were
the real deal.

art de armond


From kaskas at cox.net  Fri Aug 27 11:56:35 2010
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:56:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <20100827061101.HGJH29852.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
Message-ID: <20100827135635.PPQ6J.617956.imail@fed1rmwml4101>

Joe was the only Spitfire that ran the race.  he drove it very well and gave a hard time to several of the TR-4 cars.
---- Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote: 

=============
Was Joe Hovey the only one who brought a Spitfire?  That is the only one
listed in your link.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:34 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

I didn't see them make it to mylaps.com even thought it has their URL 
at the bottom of each of the timing sheets.  I scanned them in 
reverse chronological order to a PDF file and posted them here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/HPT_Vintage_Results0001.pdf

- Tony Drews

At 07:10 PM 8/26/2010, Larry Young wrote:
>Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
>elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
>Larry
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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Aug 27 12:19:41 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 11:19:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <20100827135635.PPQ6J.617956.imail@fed1rmwml4101>
Message-ID: <20100827181936.WAZS23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>

I am wondering if his engine is the one I sold him a few years ago.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:57 AM
To: 'Tony Drews'; Joe Curry; 'Larry Young'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

Joe was the only Spitfire that ran the race.  he drove it very well and gave
a hard time to several of the TR-4 cars.
---- Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote: 

=============
Was Joe Hovey the only one who brought a Spitfire?  That is the only one
listed in your link.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:34 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

I didn't see them make it to mylaps.com even thought it has their URL 
at the bottom of each of the timing sheets.  I scanned them in 
reverse chronological order to a PDF file and posted them here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/HPT_Vintage_Results0001.pdf

- Tony Drews

At 07:10 PM 8/26/2010, Larry Young wrote:
>Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
>elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
>Larry
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Aug 27 12:43:53 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:43:53 +0200
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <20100827181936.WAZS23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
References: <20100827135635.PPQ6J.617956.imail@fed1rmwml4101>
	<20100827181936.WAZS23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
Message-ID: <001101cb4617$ceaedeb0$6c0c9c10$@com>

How does it come that a MAG is 5 seconds faster than the fastest TR4?


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Joe Curry
Gesendet: Freitag, 27. August 2010 20:20
An: 'Kas Kastner'; 'Tony Drews'; 'Larry Young'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

I am wondering if his engine is the one I sold him a few years ago.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:57 AM
To: 'Tony Drews'; Joe Curry; 'Larry Young'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

Joe was the only Spitfire that ran the race.  he drove it very well and gave
a hard time to several of the TR-4 cars.
---- Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:

=============
Was Joe Hovey the only one who brought a Spitfire?  That is the only one
listed in your link.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:34 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

I didn't see them make it to mylaps.com even thought it has their URL
at the bottom of each of the timing sheets.  I scanned them in
reverse chronological order to a PDF file and posted them here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/HPT_Vintage_Results0001.pdf

- Tony Drews

At 07:10 PM 8/26/2010, Larry Young wrote:
>Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
>elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
>Larry
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From ikorey at comcast.net  Fri Aug 27 13:03:35 2010
From: ikorey at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:03:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <001101cb4617$ceaedeb0$6c0c9c10$@com>
References: <20100827135635.PPQ6J.617956.imail@fed1rmwml4101>
	<20100827181936.WAZS23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
	<001101cb4617$ceaedeb0$6c0c9c10$@com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin5qoz4Pbozjd8or7rONOX4by_zuK1v9tpZOMXY@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:43 PM, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> How does it come that a MAG is 5 seconds faster than the fastest TR4?
>

The driver of that MGA is a 6 time National Champion, and the car is likely
closer mechanically to a current SCCA club racer than a vintage spec car. It
IS immaculate, superbly prepared and driven.

Irv


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Aug 27 13:04:56 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:04:56 +0200
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin5qoz4Pbozjd8or7rONOX4by_zuK1v9tpZOMXY@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100827135635.PPQ6J.617956.imail@fed1rmwml4101>
	<20100827181936.WAZS23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
	<001101cb4617$ceaedeb0$6c0c9c10$@com>
	<AANLkTin5qoz4Pbozjd8or7rONOX4by_zuK1v9tpZOMXY@mail.gmail.com>
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Okay, that is understandable.

 

Von: emanteno at gmail.com [mailto:emanteno at gmail.com] Im Auftrag von Irv Korey
Gesendet: Freitag, 27. August 2010 21:04
An: MadMarx
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

 

 

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:43 PM, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

How does it come that a MAG is 5 seconds faster than the fastest TR4?


The driver of that MGA is a 6 time National Champion, and the car is likely
closer mechanically to a current SCCA club racer than a vintage spec car. It
IS immaculate, superbly prepared and driven.

Irv


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Aug 27 13:25:27 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:25:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin5qoz4Pbozjd8or7rONOX4by_zuK1v9tpZOMXY@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100827135635.PPQ6J.617956.imail@fed1rmwml4101>
	<20100827181936.WAZS23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
	<001101cb4617$ceaedeb0$6c0c9c10$@com>
	<AANLkTin5qoz4Pbozjd8or7rONOX4by_zuK1v9tpZOMXY@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008271516580.7083@isis.mit.edu>

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Irv Korey wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:43 PM, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> How does it come that a MGA is 5 seconds faster than the fastest TR4?
>>
>
> The driver of that MGA is a 6 time National Champion, and the car is likely
> closer mechanically to a current SCCA club racer than a vintage spec car. It
> IS immaculate, superbly prepared and driven.

Ah -- Kent Prather. He's also a really nice guy and more than mildly 
interested in things Triumph. He was at the 2004 VTR National with a Chevy 
V8 powered Stag... I have a picture of him chatting with Bob Tullius.

But I digress.

As usual.

> Irv

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From emanteno at comcast.net  Fri Aug 27 13:36:34 2010
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:36:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008271516580.7083@isis.mit.edu>
References: <20100827135635.PPQ6J.617956.imail@fed1rmwml4101>
	<20100827181936.WAZS23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
	<001101cb4617$ceaedeb0$6c0c9c10$@com>
	<AANLkTin5qoz4Pbozjd8or7rONOX4by_zuK1v9tpZOMXY@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008271516580.7083@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=HDZ8HpA1054PwRXcZrQttCeX6zN=J-iRO9QR_@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Robert M. Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu> wrote:

Ah -- Kent Prather. He's also a really nice guy and more than mildly
> interested in things Triumph. He was at the 2004 VTR National with a Chevy
> V8 powered Stag... I have a picture of him chatting with Bob Tullius.
>
> But I digress.
>
> As usual.
>

Not really, as Kent's Stag was the pace car for the Kastner Cup race, as
well as several others. Plus, he brought it to the 2005 VTR Convention as
well.

Irv


From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Aug 27 13:41:17 2010
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:41:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008271516580.7083@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <20100827194127.ZFVP4042.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

Ah, my competition in the Modified class (autocross).  As I recall, he had
some problems during the event (cooling system if I am not mistaken).

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Robert M. Lang
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 12:25 PM
To: Irv Korey
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Irv Korey wrote:

Ah -- Kent Prather. He's also a really nice guy and more than mildly 
interested in things Triumph. He was at the 2004 VTR National with a Chevy 
V8 powered Stag... I have a picture of him chatting with Bob Tullius.

But I digress.

As usual.

> Irv


From cartravel at pobox.com  Fri Aug 27 15:13:50 2010
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:13:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008271516580.7083@isis.mit.edu>
References: <20100827135635.PPQ6J.617956.imail@fed1rmwml4101>
	<20100827181936.WAZS23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
	<001101cb4617$ceaedeb0$6c0c9c10$@com>
	<AANLkTin5qoz4Pbozjd8or7rONOX4by_zuK1v9tpZOMXY@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008271516580.7083@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <4C782A8E.7040407@pobox.com>

I would say only mildly interested.  A few years back, I was looking for 
someone to help me dyno tune a new TR3 engine.  I thought I might learn 
from the experts.  Since they are only a 4 hour drive from Tulsa, I gave 
them a call.  They didn't want to touch it.  Maybe they have more MG 
work than they can handle.
Larry

Robert M. Lang wrote:
>
> Ah -- Kent Prather. He's also a really nice guy and more than mildly 
> interested in things


From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Fri Aug 27 17:27:10 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:27:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SPONSORSHIP-NEW FOT RUSS WESTFALL-MINNEAPOLIS
References: <6b361.7897ad19.39a8142b@cs.com>
Message-ID: <001601cb463f$5fe2e3a0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Welcome Russ!
  Isn't Duck quite a guy? He was at the Gingerman Spring Brake a few years
ago when I attended. Knows of what he speaks.
  Welcome to the club; they're a great bunch.
  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: <N197TR4 at cs.com>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Cc: <rw at dnrsales.com>
  Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 3:02 PM
  Subject: [Fot] SPONSORSHIP-NEW FOT RUSS WESTFALL-MINNEAPOLIS


  > Russ Westfall came specifically to TOPEKA to see the Kastner Cup and the
  > FOT.
  >
  > This resulted in the purchase of a TR4 race car from Bill Swopes which
he
  > is going to prepare for vintage racing by next year. The transaction was
  > consummated today.
  >
  > Mark Bradakis, please add  Russ Westfall  (rw at dnrsales.com) to our FOT
  > list.
  >
  > FOT list, be prepared to support Russ as he is new to Triumph racing. He
  > has been to a Skip Barber school at Road America with Duck Waddle as his
  > instructor and runs track days with his Corvette.
  >
  > A welcome to Russ is in order.
  >
  > Regards,
  >
  > Joe Alexander</HTML>
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Fri Aug 27 18:24:47 2010
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:24:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
References: <AANLkTimqObcUd2+hCS61QSyf-gAM0bkQgWpwbMez3uFr@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=_y1aQ2sSwp4dBZU4evOfDSw3-2YPcQzUZ-Vqm@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002301cb4647$6c3b7790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Hey Andre, are you coming to Watkins Glen in a couple weeks for the
Vintage GP? Be good to see you there.
  How about any of the rest of FOT?
  Where did the summer go?
  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
  To: "Jason Ostrowski" <jason at multivintage.com>
  Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 2:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er


  > GT6 owner is always a must.
  >
  > A.
  >
  > On 26 August 2010 13:37, Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com> wrote:
  > > Hello FOT.
  > > I would like to nominate Brad Allen to our group. This Fine Triumph
  > > Enthusiast saved me from missing the Kastner Cup. Not only did he give
me a
  > > trans to get in the race, he stayed with us and helped us for 6 hours
  > > putting the car back together. He knows a lot about fast GT6's and
would be
  > > a great addition to FOT.
  > > Can I please have a second!
  > > Thanks
  > > Jason Ostrowski
  > > Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27
  > >
  > > Brad Allen's contact is bradgt6 at hotmail.com
  > > _______________________________________________
  > > fot at autox.team.net
  > >
  > > http://www.fot-racing.com
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  > >
  > >
  >
  >
  >
  > --
  > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
  > http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/
  > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
  > #515 FIAT 124 Spider  - http://www.124racer.com/
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Fri Aug 27 19:12:58 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:12:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need a brake pedal switch
Message-ID: <16D0F1D8D83244D789CEC2E7263BDA85@rocky>

I'm looking for an old/new brake pedal taillight switch. The thing that mounts
up near the base of the brake pedal.The one in my race car, '64 Spitfire,
finally gave out after 45 years of use.

Got a replacement from Vicky Brit. Three of them, in fact, because I managed
to break two of them putting the damn thing in. The replacement is a cheap
plastic thingy that's not too robust. The old one is a stout metal item -- no
surprise it lasted 45 years even coming from Lord Lucas (it apparently finally
found the "flicker" setting").

The same switch is apparently on all Spits and GT6s as well as TR 4-6-7-8.
What I'm hoping is someone has the old metal unit on their parts shelf, never
or seldom used. I just don't trust this plastic piece. At $4.95 it's
overpriced.

--Rocky Entriken


From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Aug 27 19:23:23 2010
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:23:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Need a brake pedal switch
References: <16D0F1D8D83244D789CEC2E7263BDA85@rocky>
Message-ID: <86F3D760052A4983932C0B7D64AC0146@Bud>

Hey Rocky... Try taking the old one to NAPA, etc....and seeing if they can 
match up the old one to a new one by length and diameter...as long as it's 
12volt and close to the proper size, it will work..
Racer Bud
Spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: ".Triumph List" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 6:12 PM
Subject: [Fot] Need a brake pedal switch


> I'm looking for an old/new brake pedal taillight switch. The thing that 
> mounts
> up near the base of the brake pedal.The one in my race car, '64 Spitfire,
> finally gave out after 45 years of use.
>
> Got a replacement from Vicky Brit. Three of them, in fact, because I 
> managed
> to break two of them putting the damn thing in. The replacement is a cheap
> plastic thingy that's not too robust. The old one is a stout metal item --  
> no
> surprise it lasted 45 years even coming from Lord Lucas (it apparently 
> finally
> found the "flicker" setting").
>
> The same switch is apparently on all Spits and GT6s as well as TR 4-6-7-8.
> What I'm hoping is someone has the old metal unit on their parts shelf, 
> never
> or seldom used. I just don't trust this plastic piece. At $4.95 it's
> overpriced.
>
> --Rocky Entriken
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Fri Aug 27 19:25:12 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:25:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Need a brake pedal switch
In-Reply-To: <16D0F1D8D83244D789CEC2E7263BDA85@rocky>
References: <16D0F1D8D83244D789CEC2E7263BDA85@rocky>
Message-ID: <BAY157-ds19B4646B6D13A6F7D76B17C3870@phx.gbl>

I believe there is a Ford switch from a Falcon that works,  that's what I used
in my TR-3 street car when I converted it from that leaky, unreliable
hydraulic switch.

Check NAPA or whatever you have in your area.

Terry Stetler


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Fri Aug 27 20:31:43 2010
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:31:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <20100827181936.WAZS23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>
Message-ID: <201204.4171.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Joe: No, it is a fresh engine we put together a couple of weeks ago. The head
is worked, cast pistons on Pauter rods, and an 1147cc crank with a
Spedi-Sleeve over the scroll. Everything else is as we have been running it.
-Ed-

--- On Fri, 8/27/10, Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:


From: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup
To: "'Kas Kastner'" <kaskas at cox.net>, "'Tony Drews'" <tony at tonydrews.com>,
"'Larry Young'" <cartravel at pobox.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 1:19 PM


I am wondering if his engine is the one I sold him a few years ago.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:57 AM
To: 'Tony Drews'; Joe Curry; 'Larry Young'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

Joe was the only Spitfire that ran the race.  he drove it very well and gave
a hard time to several of the TR-4 cars.
---- Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:

=============
Was Joe Hovey the only one who brought a Spitfire?  That is the only one
listed in your link.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:34 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps Heartland Park-Kastner Cup

I didn't see them make it to mylaps.com even thought it has their URL
at the bottom of each of the timing sheets.  I scanned them in
reverse chronological order to a PDF file and posted them here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/HPT_Vintage_Results0001.pdf

- Tony Drews

At 07:10 PM 8/26/2010, Larry Young wrote:
>Are the results of the Kastner Cup race posted someplace? Mylaps or
>elsewhere.  If not, would someone mind scanning and posting the results.
>Larry
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Fri Aug 27 21:32:50 2010
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:32:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Craigslist Find-- Spit Racer
Message-ID: <502500.10510.qm@smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

http://rockford.craigslist.org/cto/1892281214.html


From emanteno at comcast.net  Fri Aug 27 21:48:54 2010
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 22:48:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need a brake pedal switch
In-Reply-To: <16D0F1D8D83244D789CEC2E7263BDA85@rocky>
References: <16D0F1D8D83244D789CEC2E7263BDA85@rocky>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimEb0B5CDZ9FWa5XLMg5A=dcYBR8XU19BuUpfaH@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com> wrote:

>
> The same switch is apparently on all Spits and GT6s as well as TR 4-6-7-8.
> What I'm hoping is someone has the old metal unit on their parts shelf,
> never
> or seldom used. I just don't trust this plastic piece. At $4.95 it's
> overpriced.
>


Go to your local NAPA, and ask for an Echlin SL310 brake light switch. It's
for a Honda but it is a perfect, high quality replacement for the POS
that is being supplied by the Big 3. I have one in my TR6, and there's one
in my former TR4 vintage racer (TR6 pedal assembly).

Irv Korey


From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Sat Aug 28 02:58:22 2010
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 18:58:22 +1000
Subject: [Fot] steering rack query
Message-ID: <AANLkTiktqguMrQdaiakYdUBGdcOqgyC2RPorkjFJVRB4@mail.gmail.com>

if anyone has a TR4,5 or 6 steering rack sitting on the shelf, can you
please measure the total length. either end of thread to end or thread (on
rack end) or centre to centre of tie rod ends
thanks. terry O'beirne, Australia


From gp89 at charter.net  Sat Aug 28 05:12:22 2010
From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 4:12:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Craigslist Find-- Spit Racer
In-Reply-To: <502500.10510.qm@smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100828071222.XSKLX.10500949.root@mp19>

The car belongs to an old friend of mine. Long time Midwestern Council member Glade Snodgrass. Very nicely engineered car. If I were to put money on it I would put I would put it on Glade to win.
Jeff Senty 
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Sat Aug 28 07:30:12 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 09:30:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Craigslist Find-- Spit Racer
In-Reply-To: <20100828071222.XSKLX.10500949.root@mp19>
References: <20100828071222.XSKLX.10500949.root@mp19>
Message-ID: <8F550FDB-0DDB-4609-8133-4DEE99038071@comcast.net>

What a deal. Someone should snap this up.


On Aug 28, 2010, at 7:12 AM, Jeff Senty wrote:

The car belongs to an old friend of mine. Long time Midwestern Council  
member Glade Snodgrass. Very nicely engineered car. If I were to put  
money on it I would put I would put it on Glade to win.
Jeff Senty
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Sat Aug 28 07:45:22 2010
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 09:45:22 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Craigslist Find-- Spit Racer
Message-ID: <46574.12ea8483.39aa6cf2@aol.com>

In a message dated 08/28/2010 6:15:58 AM Central Daylight Time, 
gp89 at charter.net writes:


> The car belongs to an old friend of mine. Long time Midwestern Council 
> member Glade Snodgrass. Very nicely engineered car. If I were to put money on 
> it I would put I would put it on Glade to win.
> 

I sure can attest to that.  Glade Snodgrass goes FAST.

Bill Dentinger


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Sat Aug 28 10:27:13 2010
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 12:27:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] steering rack query
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiktqguMrQdaiakYdUBGdcOqgyC2RPorkjFJVRB4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTiktqguMrQdaiakYdUBGdcOqgyC2RPorkjFJVRB4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1008281225060.10588@isis.mit.edu>

On Sat, 28 Aug 2010, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:

> if anyone has a TR4,5 or 6 steering rack sitting on the shelf, can you
> please measure the total length. either end of thread to end or thread (on
> rack end) or centre to centre of tie rod ends
> thanks. terry O'beirne, Australia

TR6 rack. From a ''75 or '76 LHD model.

1 meter end to end including the inner tie rods and not including the 
outer tie rod. So we're talking threaded end to threaded end.. 39.5 
inches. Plus or minus 1/4"

regards,
rml
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Aug 28 10:54:47 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 10:54:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Craigslist Find-- Spit Racer
In-Reply-To: <8F550FDB-0DDB-4609-8133-4DEE99038071@comcast.net>
References: <20100828071222.XSKLX.10500949.root@mp19>
	<8F550FDB-0DDB-4609-8133-4DEE99038071@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4C793F57.3070106@bradakis.com>

Scott Janzen wrote:
> What a deal. Someone should snap this up.
>
>    
Well, I will eventually be getting a check from the insurance
company in an amount sufficient to cover the purchase of this
car.  But then there wouldn't be enough left to cover my
funeral expenses, as I am sure my wife would find out
about it sooner or later.

mjb.


From cofrog at q.com  Sat Aug 28 11:44:38 2010
From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 17:44:38 +0000
Subject: [Fot] IRS Stuff
Message-ID: <SNT140-w204243CD78A0B26D7D0BA4D4870@phx.gbl>

I upgraded the TR4A race car suspension.  Thus I have a set of Richard Good's
springs and two Spax adjustable rear shocks that fit the tube shock conversion
that I need to get rid of.  These are for an IRS car.

Dan Forgey


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Aug 28 11:57:52 2010
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 12:57:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park vs New Speedsters
Message-ID: <20100828175706.34CA9187647@autox.team.net>

I think I now know why my car had so much oversteer during the all 
Triumph race:

http://picasaweb.google.com/tony.drews.88/2010_0828HPTvsSpeedster#

Those tires were brand new going into Topeka.  Normally a set of 
Speedsters lasts 4 or 5 races...  Tim Murphy was telling me that the 
track has a reputation for being hard on tires...  I guess he was right!

- Tony Drews


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sat Aug 28 14:15:10 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 14:15:10 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Shirts shipped
Message-ID: <D18D9076-2986-4084-80EA-849F08383CBE@earthlink.net>

Most of the shirts went out yesterday and the last few today. Via USPS.
Enjoy!

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM


From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Sat Aug 28 14:37:47 2010
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 13:37:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Photographs
Message-ID: <AANLkTimeNw4PVfd4Mgz1nnyJGe+PAr0pbgkWCvvC8a3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Gentlemen:

Here is a link that anyone can use to see photos from the cup. As soon as
Luke is finished I will upload the remainder of appproximately 1000 photos.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=77773&id=1150305602&l=d0b3d5a6cf

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=77808&id=1150305602&l=c04294631b

-- 
Very truly yours,

John Nikas
Cape Coventry Racing
www.capecoventryracing.com
(949) 375-6306


From igofaster at att.net  Sat Aug 28 15:37:31 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 14:37:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
In-Reply-To: <902172812-1282848809-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1492482043-@bda835.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <902172812-1282848809-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1492482043-@bda835.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <134871.79016.qm@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I'm sure Brad Allen is already on board...  but I would like to say YES to
anpther GT6 on the forum...

Bobby Whitehead

sometimes GT6 racer....
________________________________
From: "jerrybarr at charter.net"
<jerrybarr at charter.net>
To: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>;
fot-bounces at autox.team.net; 
fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010
1:53:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er

I second! We need More GT6
racers and technicians.
------Original Message------
From: Jason Ostrowski
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot]
nomination...GT6'er
Sent: Aug 26, 2010 12:37 PM

Hello FOT.
I would like to
nominate Brad Allen to our group. This Fine Triumph
Enthusiast saved me from
missing the Kastner Cup. Not only did he give me a
trans to get in the race,
he stayed with us and helped us for 6 hours
putting the car back together. He
knows a lot about fast GT6's and would be
a great addition to FOT.
Can I
please have a second!
Thanks
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27
Brad Allen's contact is bradgt6 at hotmail.com
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From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Sat Aug 28 16:15:29 2010
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 15:15:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft
References: <8CD114C338C699E-AF0-6D49@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <63754C2EC83B4A678B7FBF9C25821F94@your89d26e0447>

There are good crank grinding people who really know what they are doing. 
The best of them are able to repair cracks in steel cranks. Some years ago 
we rebuilt an AC Ace  6 cylinder engine. This was the single overhead cam 
engine designed and built by AC, not the Bristol engine.. The crank had  3 
cranks in it. The procedure is to grind the cracked area away until there is 
no more cracked material, then weld the crank back up with the proper alloy 
steel. The crank is then stress relieved and reheat treated, then reground 
to the proper size and configuration. Obviously this is a fairly expensive 
procedure and is only worth doing when the crank is an expensive, not easily 
replaceable piece.
    The technician who has done this for us in the past is Armando, at 
"custom crankshaft repair" in San Mateo. His phone number is 650 342-0568.
He is an expert in the heat treatment of cranks. He has done the best, most 
accurate and consistently sized journals we have ever had done. His 
timeliness sometimes leaves something to be desired.
                                                                             
                Greg Solow 


From dlhogye at comcast.net  Sat Aug 28 17:02:41 2010
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 23:02:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft
In-Reply-To: <502717.469717.1283036535442.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1930814004.469732.1283036561042.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

With Greg's recommendation I used Armando to do the work on a stock TR4 crankshaft which I'm about to put in my first TR race engine. All he does is crankshafts. At the same time he was working on my crank, he was doing few 250 V-12 Ferrari, a few V-12 Lamborghini, numerous 356, 911, and 911 RSR, 906, 908s and other Porsche cranks as well as a flat head Ford crank. His customers are from all around the country. Some were getting cracks repaired. There was a sea of crankshafts in his shop. He took about 5 weeks to do the work, but I was in no hurry. Armando was a pleasure to do business with and he is very enthusiastic and proud of his work. 

Dave Hogye 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Solow" <gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com> 
To: n197tr4 at cs.com, "Friends of Triumph" <FOT at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:15:29 PM 
Subject: Re: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft 

There are good crank grinding people who really know what they are doing. 
The best of them are able to repair cracks in steel cranks. Some years ago 
we rebuilt an AC Ace 6 cylinder engine. This was the single overhead cam 
engine designed and built by AC, not the Bristol engine.. The crank had 3 
cranks in it. The procedure is to grind the cracked area away until there is 
no more cracked material, then weld the crank back up with the proper alloy 
steel. The crank is then stress relieved and reheat treated, then reground 
to the proper size and configuration. Obviously this is a fairly expensive 
procedure and is only worth doing when the crank is an expensive, not easily 
replaceable piece. 
The technician who has done this for us in the past is Armando, at 
"custom crankshaft repair" in San Mateo. His phone number is 650 342-0568. 
He is an expert in the heat treatment of cranks. He has done the best, most 
accurate and consistently sized journals we have ever had done. His 
timeliness sometimes leaves something to be desired. 

Greg Solow 
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Aug 28 19:03:56 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 21:03:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft
In-Reply-To: <1930814004.469732.1283036561042.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8CD152D30D44133-10C0-2417D@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com>

This is good to know....for everyone....we have a billet crank that will
become an end table otherwise.

Thank you very much for the answer Greg and Dave.

Joe A





-----Original Message-----
From: davehogye <dlhogye at comcast.net>
To: Greg Solow <gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>
Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com; Friends of Triumph <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft



With Greg's recommendation I used Armando to do the work on a stock TR4
crankshaft which I'm about to put in my first TR race engine. All he does is
crankshafts.  At the same time he was working on my crank, he was doing few
250 V-12 Ferrari, a few V-12 Lamborghini, numerous 356, 911, and 911 RSR, 906,
908s and other Porsche cranks as well as a flat head Ford crank. His customers
are from all around the country. Some were getting cracks repaired. There was
a sea of crankshafts in his shop. He took about 5 weeks to do the work, but I
was in no hurry. Armando was a pleasure to do business with and he is very
enthusiastic and proud of his work.

   Dave Hogye
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Solow" <gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>
To: n197tr4 at cs.com, "Friends of Triumph" <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:15:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft

There are good crank grinding people who really know what they are doing.
The best of them are able to repair cracks in steel cranks. Some years ago
we rebuilt an AC Ace  6 cylinder engine. This was the single overhead cam
engine designed and built by AC, not the Bristol engine.. The crank had  3
cranks in it. The procedure is to grind the cracked area away until there is
no more cracked material, then weld the crank back up with the proper alloy
steel. The crank is then stress relieved and reheat treated, then reground
to the proper size and configuration. Obviously this is a fairly expensive
procedure and is only worth doing when the crank is an expensive, not easily
replaceable piece.
    The technician who has done this for us in the past is Armando, at
"custom crankshaft repair" in San Mateo. His phone number is 650 342-0568.
He is an expert in the heat treatment of cranks. He has done the best, most
accurate and consistently sized journals we have ever had done. His
timeliness sometimes leaves something to be desired.

                Greg Solow
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From igofaster at att.net  Sat Aug 28 21:29:46 2010
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 20:29:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
In-Reply-To: <8AF392C3-5C6C-487F-9A03-614B91D62455@earthlink.net>
References: <902172812-1282848809-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1492482043-@bda835.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<134871.79016.qm@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<8AF392C3-5C6C-487F-9A03-614B91D62455@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <111806.17091.qm@web180810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

yeah.. trying sunday to get the GT6 to fire, right. I'll probably go to TWS in 
September to crew, at minimum. It's a driving school weekend... I may slum a 
ride from some Triumph... or , gad , MG buddy....

Bobby





________________________________
From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
To: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
Sent: Sat, August 28, 2010 4:47:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er

Sure sorry you couldn't make Topeka Bobby.
Bob Kramer picked up your FoT Wheels shirt and will get it to you.
Greg
On Aug 28, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote:

> I'm sure Brad Allen is already on board...  but I would like to say  
> YES to
> anpther GT6 on the forum...
>
> Bobby Whitehead
>
> sometimes GT6 racer....
> ________________________________
> From: "jerrybarr at charter.net"
> <jerrybarr at charter.net>
> To: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>;
> fot-bounces at autox.team.net;
> fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010
> 1:53:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] nomination...GT6'er
>
> I second! We need More GT6
> racers and technicians.
> ------Original Message------
> From: Jason Ostrowski
> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot]
> nomination...GT6'er
> Sent: Aug 26, 2010 12:37 PM
>
> Hello FOT.
> I would like to
> nominate Brad Allen to our group. This Fine Triumph
> Enthusiast saved me from
> missing the Kastner Cup. Not only did he give me a
> trans to get in the race,
> he stayed with us and helped us for 6 hours
> putting the car back together. He
> knows a lot about fast GT6's and would be
> a great addition to FOT.
> Can I
> please have a second!
> Thanks
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27
> Brad Allen's contact is bradgt6 at hotmail.com
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Sun Aug 29 01:15:48 2010
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 02:15:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need a brake pedal switch
References: <16D0F1D8D83244D789CEC2E7263BDA85@rocky>
Message-ID: <91F57EBCF6DD4A209FBE304E8BB4606E@rocky>

Thanks, guys. Going to try the NAPA suggestions first and see what they 
have. If that doesn't work out, I'll be back.

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: ".Triumph List" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:12 PM
Subject: [Fot] Need a brake pedal switch


> I'm looking for an old/new brake pedal taillight switch. The thing that 
> mounts
> up near the base of the brake pedal.The one in my race car, '64 Spitfire,
> finally gave out after 45 years of use.
>
> Got a replacement from Vicky Brit. Three of them, in fact, because I 
> managed
> to break two of them putting the damn thing in. The replacement is a cheap
> plastic thingy that's not too robust. The old one is a stout metal item --  
> no
> surprise it lasted 45 years even coming from Lord Lucas (it apparently 
> finally
> found the "flicker" setting").
>
> The same switch is apparently on all Spits and GT6s as well as TR 4-6-7-8.
> What I'm hoping is someone has the old metal unit on their parts shelf, 
> never
> or seldom used. I just don't trust this plastic piece. At $4.95 it's
> overpriced.
>
> --Rocky Entriken
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Sun Aug 29 11:26:38 2010
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 12:26:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A8017D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

For those of you running the small-crank Spitfire motors, what do you use as a lower (crank) timing gear when using a two-row timing chain?

Scott B.


From jaboruch at netzero.net  Sun Aug 29 12:05:30 2010
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 18:05:30 GMT
Subject: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft
Message-ID: <20100829.140530.2826.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com>

If it is a Moldex, you can send it back to Moldex for repair.  I sent one to
them some years ago.  Just be prepared to wait for a while for them to fix it.
They made a new one for me in shorter time than to repair the cracked one.
Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: n197tr4 at cs.com
To: dlhogye at comcast.net, gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com
Cc: seanax at iowalaser.com, FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 21:03:56 -0400

This is good to know....for everyone....we have a billet crank that will
become an end table otherwise.

Thank you very much for the answer Greg and Dave.

Joe A





-----Original Message-----
From: davehogye <dlhogye at comcast.net>
To: Greg Solow <gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>
Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com; Friends of Triumph <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] CRANKSHAFTS Repairing a cracked crankshaft



With Greg's recommendation I used Armando to do the work on a stock TR4
crankshaft which I'm about to put in my first TR race engine. All he does is
crankshafts.  At the same time he was working on my crank, he was doing few
250 V-12 Ferrari, a few V-12 Lamborghini, numerous 356, 911, and 911 RSR,
906,
908s and other Porsche cranks as well as a flat head Ford crank. His
customers
are from all around the country. Some were getting cracks repaired. There was
a sea of crankshafts in his shop. He took about 5 weeks to do the work, but I
was in no hurry. Armando was a pleasure to do business with and he is very
enthusiastic and proud of his work.


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Cut down 2 lbs per week by using this 1 weird old tip
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From REK46 at aol.com  Sun Aug 29 12:26:26 2010
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:26:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
Message-ID: <7aeb6.5d54b912.39ac0052@aol.com>

you have to buy the 2row timing gear and  and tensioner....I don't  think 
it does any good but add weight.Use a "NEW" cam wheel and crank gear  and 
chain and tensioner.
 
 
In a message dated 8/29/2010 1:35:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
sbarr at McCarty-Law.com writes:

For  those of you running the small-crank Spitfire motors, what do you use 
as a  lower (crank) timing gear when using a two-row timing chain?

Scott  B.
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From jason at multivintage.com  Sun Aug 29 13:42:03 2010
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:42:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A8017D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A8017D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim_A5S6tDErfq__RaReyTFf6nkCxuF1p4LyUU1R@mail.gmail.com>

Will you have the car ready to run at Blackhawk with MCSCC .... the
September event?
Hope so.
Jason, Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27

On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:

> For those of you running the small-crank Spitfire motors, what do you use
> as a lower (crank) timing gear when using a two-row timing chain?
>
> Scott B.
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From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Sun Aug 29 14:38:14 2010
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:38:14 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
Message-ID: <25695063.1283114294449.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Scott,  I use the Kent Cam setup in all my engines. It make dialing in the the cam easy.  I have one in stock if you want one.   Joe


-----Original Message-----
>From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>Sent: Aug 29, 2010 10:26 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
>
>For those of you running the small-crank Spitfire motors, what do you use as a lower (crank) timing gear when using a two-row timing chain?
>
>Scott B.
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From fpspitfire at comcast.net  Sun Aug 29 15:17:12 2010
From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:17:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A8017D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <1804778745.514819.1283116632164.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Scott,



I'm with Rick on this one.B  I've never used or had a double row timing
chain.B  They are more than double the rotating mass.B  why spend all that
money to lighen the crank and rods only to bolt it back on the front of the
engine.B  While I agree the degreeing in of the cam is easier with kent
adjustable, it just isn't worth the cost.



I've never had a timing chain or gear failure...and I can't think of a
spitfire racer who has.



aaron

#87 HP Spitfire 1500

Southern Illinois Region SCCA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Barr" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 1:26:38 PM
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?

For those of you running the small-crank Spitfire motors, what do you use as a
lower (crank) timing gear when using a two-row timing chain?

Scott B.
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From mdporter at dfn.com  Sun Aug 29 15:49:54 2010
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:49:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
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  On 8/29/2010 3:17 PM, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote:
> Scott,
>
>
>
> I'm with Rick on this one.B  I've never used or had a double row timing
> chain.B  They are more than double the rotating mass.B  why spend all that
> money to lighen the crank and rods only to bolt it back on the front of the
> engine.B  While I agree the degreeing in of the cam is easier with kent
> adjustable, it just isn't worth the cost.
>
>
>
> I've never had a timing chain or gear failure...and I can't think of a
> spitfire racer who has.
>
>
>

Umm, technically, the only rotating mass added to the crank is the extra 
row of teeth on the crank chain drive, so the additional amount is 
actually rather small (taking an extra ounce or so off the periphery of 
the flywheel would more than compensate).  The chain isn't considered as 
part of the rotating mass since it's an independent member which both 
slides and rotates on its own (at a much lower rate than either crank or 
cam), and the cam is operating at half speed, so mass effects due to 
rotation are quite a bit less than for the crank assembly.  The dual 
chain does create a bit of additional frictional drag, so it would 
consume a bit more power.


Still, I agree--if reliability is not an issue, and the cam can be 
properly degreed without an adjustable sprocket, why go to the 
additional expense?


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Aug 29 16:19:10 2010
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:19:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
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> The chain isn't considered as 
> part of the rotating mass since it's an independent member which both 
> slides and rotates on its own (at a much lower rate than 
> either crank or 
> cam),

I disagree.  Because the crank gear is connected to the chain, it takes the
same amount of energy to accelerate the chain as it would if the chain's
entire mass were concentrated around the rim of the gear.  The cam gear will
also add more rotational inertia than the crank gear does; even though it
turns 1/2 speed, it has twice the radius and roughly twice the mass.  Since
both speed and radius are squared in the inertia calculation (and hence
cancel out), we're still looking at roughly twice as much inertia.

Still not very much, but the effect is there.  However, I agree
whole-heartedly with not fixing what ain't broke.

Randall


From billb at bnj.com  Sun Aug 29 16:40:04 2010
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:40:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
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While the chain is not directly connected to the chainwheel it's full weight
has to be accelerated. Consider a chain on a sprocket that was the same
circumference as the sprocket. You would certainly consider that part of the
rotating mass. Making the chain longer doesn't reduce the mass.
>
> Umm, technically, the only rotating mass added to the crank is the extra row
of teeth on the crank chain drive, so the additional amount is actually rather
small (taking an extra ounce or so off the periphery of the flywheel would
more than compensate).  The chain isn't considered as part of the rotating
mass since it's an independent member which both slides and rotates on its own
(at a much lower rate than either crank or cam), and the cam is operating at
half speed, so mass effects due to rotation are quite a bit less than for the
crank assembly.  The dual chain does create a bit of additional frictional
drag, so it would consume a bit more power.
>
>
> Still, I agree--if reliability is not an issue, and the cam can be properly
degreed without an adjustable sprocket, why go to the additional expense?
>
>
> Cheers.
>
> --
>
>
> Michael Porter
> Roswell, NM


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Sun Aug 29 17:14:02 2010
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:14:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
Message-ID: <509304.94065.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Scott: All the agreeing/disagreeing over the amount of mass added aside, if
you want the double chain it requires more than just adding and double row
crank sprocket, double row
cam gear, and the wider tensioner. The double row crank sprocket did not
appear on the TR6 until the second year, and all six cylinder journels are
larger then the Spitty small journel . If you want to use that sprocket you
need to modify the sprocket to fit the smaller journel crank by adding an
insert. In the past Russ Moore has made some for the group, but, any good
machine shop can do the same if Russ no longer does them. Just purchase the
crank sprocket, cam gear, chain, and tensioner for '70-'76 TR6.
Thanks - Ed
   
--- On Sun, 8/29/10, REK46 at aol.com <REK46 at aol.com> wrote:


From: REK46 at aol.com <REK46 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dual- row timing gear for small-crank Spitfire?
To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com, fot at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 1:26 PM


you have to buy the 2row timing gear and  and tensioner....I don't  think
it does any good but add weight.Use a "NEW" cam wheel and crank gear  and
chain and tensioner.


In a message dated 8/29/2010 1:35:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
sbarr at McCarty-Law.com writes:

For  those of you running the small-crank Spitfire motors, what do you use
as a  lower (crank) timing gear when using a two-row timing chain?

Scott  B.
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From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Sun Aug 29 18:57:03 2010
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:57:03 +1000
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Racers
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Gentlemen,

 

Can you let me know what ENGINE components you have had good reliability
results with? I am about to prepare a TR6 race engine with the collective
wisdom of the group! No use re-inventing the wheel.

 

1.    Pistons - Brand etc.

2.    Crankshaft - Billet

3.    Connecting Rods - Brand

 

 

Thank you in advance

 

Kind Regards

Peter Vucinic

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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Sat Aug 28 16:07:44 2010
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 18:07:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Craigslist Find-- Spit Racer
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	<8F550FDB-0DDB-4609-8133-4DEE99038071@comcast.net>
	<4C793F57.3070106@bradakis.com>
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  But you'd die with more toys - isn't that the saying?

On Aug 28, 2010, at 12:54 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:

Scott Janzen wrote:
> What a deal. Someone should snap this up.
>
>
Well, I will eventually be getting a check from the insurance
company in an amount sufficient to cover the purchase of this
car.  But then there wouldn't be enough left to cover my
funeral expenses, as I am sure my wife would find out
about it sooner or later.

mjb.
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sun Aug 29 20:12:19 2010
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 19:12:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Racers
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1.    Pistons - Brand etc.  ~ Venolia
 2.    Crankshaft - Billet  ~ Stock balanced and cryogenic treated with 
extra thrust washer pinned (long snout 1969)
 3.    Connecting Rods - Brand ~ stock lightened, cleaned as per Kastner
Petrol injected car making about 190 hp (?)

Charly Mitchel
 TR6 #44

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 5:57 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Racers


> Gentlemen,
>
>
>
> Can you let me know what ENGINE components you have had good reliability
> results with? I am about to prepare a TR6 race engine with the collective
> wisdom of the group! No use re-inventing the wheel.
>
>
>
> 1.    Pistons - Brand etc.
>
> 2.    Crankshaft - Billet
>
> 3.    Connecting Rods - Brand
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you in advance
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sun Aug 29 21:55:29 2010
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:55:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Cryo treatment
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Personally I have no gripes with rotor wear even with KFP pads. I did  
have the front stub axles done. Also had my rear axles done with  
bearings and seals installed - no problem. But that was before I went  
Southwick. Next time around I'll do the rods, rocker assembly and  
valve springs.
On a side note, the first crank I had done came back with a crack  
right where you'd expect it [on a 4] - at the #4 journal. It had been  
magna-fluxed before the treatment and after. I am convinced that the  
treatment brought the previously undetected crack to the visible  
surface and saved me a engine right there.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Aug 29, 2010, at 9:26 PM, Charly Mitchel wrote:

> I got my done by a firm locally and I thought was reasonable, I  
> think about $125.
> Yeah, I like it and I'm thinking of having some brake rotors done  
> to see how they last.
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 30 06:46:58 2010
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 05:46:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
Message-ID: <14949.9634.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Kas


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 30 07:03:56 2010
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 06:03:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] 1967 TR4A IRS
Message-ID: <243004.2554.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI - I just picked up a TR4A that is in need of alot of frame repair.
Anyone know of an IRS frame that is available?

Thanks
Dennis


From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Mon Aug 30 08:05:32 2010
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:05:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
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Hmmmmmm....the Birthday Boy... Happy Birthday Kas 

Craig


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Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday

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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Mon Aug 30 09:39:08 2010
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:39:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 1967 TR4A IRS
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I believe Ratco makes new frames.  I saw them and they are very nice.  

Chris

Sent from my IPhone


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> AMICI - I just picked up a TR4A that is in need of alot of frame repair.
> Anyone know of an IRS frame that is available?
> 
> Thanks
> Dennis
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Aug 30 10:22:59 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:22:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 1967 TR4A IRS
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I have been to RATCO in Long Island....

First Class engineering and product with great reputation.

There are a couple of FOT/RATCO frames out there.





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To: Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:39 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] 1967 TR4A IRS


I believe Ratco makes new frames.  I saw them and they are very nice.
Chris
Sent from my IPhone

n Aug 30, 2010, at 9:03 AM, Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> AMICI - I just picked up a TR4A that is in need of alot of frame repair.
 Anyone know of an IRS frame that is available?

 Thanks
 Dennis
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon Aug 30 10:40:12 2010
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:40:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
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	<009301cb484c$69246ba0$3b6d42e0$@net>
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Happy Birthday Kas.


Terry Stetler


From gasket.works at gte.net  Mon Aug 30 10:40:12 2010
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:40:12 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 1967 TR4A IRS
Message-ID: <259561614-1283186410-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1716774716-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Don't fuss with an old frame unless this is for a street car.  RATCO has a very well built frame.....
M 
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile


From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 30 11:20:45 2010
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:20:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
In-Reply-To: <14949.9634.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <743922.63134.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Second ...  (or whatever)....
 
Happy Birthday, & wishes for many more. 
 
Thanks for all your help to the Fot.
 
Hope you're doing something fun today;>)


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire

--- On Mon, 8/30/10, Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


From: Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 7:46 AM


Kas
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Aug 30 13:17:29 2010
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:17:29 +0200
Subject: [Fot] How to shift without clutch....
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXidXhMCIhk


From gp89 at charter.net  Mon Aug 30 16:10:26 2010
From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:10:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
In-Reply-To: <009301cb484c$69246ba0$3b6d42e0$@net>
Message-ID: <20100830181026.PQBC6.10606260.root@mp12>

Ooo that reminds me today is my wife's birthday. I better run to the store before she gets home!
Jeff
---- Craig <wensley_tr at comcast.net> wrote: 
> Hmmmmmm....the Birthday Boy... Happy Birthday Kas 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Mon Aug 30 20:00:57 2010
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:00:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Non AMC - Vintage race car - in car camera - The AMC Forum
Message-ID: <0ED0C93CD7344AF2BDBB3A26A558A958@Bucktailus>

Here is how its done, boys.  Good driving and  great performing engine.  How
about that acceleration on the upper end, for 1600 cc.
R. Johns




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ra_topic19998.html



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From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:14:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Heartland Park- Kasner Cup
Message-ID: <95C924CF2F0F49B89F6B1D88491B23C1@Bucktailus>

It has been said: "Better late than never!"  I wish to reactivate the subject
of what a great time was had in Topeka.  We had a most enjoyable time with
fantastic people!  What a nice bunch!  We finally got home after a few days at
our daughter's in Chicago. Yes, it was hot, but we survived and the great
competition and camaraderie was worth the heat.  Our congratulations to Bob
Kramer and to Keith Files.  Bob, I didn't get to meet you, but will in the
future. Keith, it was an honor to meet you (and your "spirited" wife) and my
wife thinks you are a hoot.   Kas and Peg and Jan and Joe were a delight to be
with.  Kas and Joe, you do such a great job guiding these guys. As an old Ford
Engineering friend of mine from the Upper Peninsula of Michigan used to say,
"we are all cut from the same bolt of shoddy cloth."  We hope to make it to
Laguna Seca next year, barring other conflicts.
R. Johns


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Aug 30 21:21:33 2010
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:21:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] photobucket.com/ambro new seal centering tool and the retro
 63 split window corvette
Message-ID: <8CD16D2BF3F9FC5-195C-8416@webmail-d086.sysops.aol.com>

A couple of pictures you might be interested in or entertained by......
photobucket.com/ambro

John Nikas stopped in this summer with a 'mule'.  A styling exercise I think
was initiated by GM and executed by a tier one supplier. ZO6 underpinnings
with split window coupe retro stling cues is very attractive with modern
performance.

A picture of several new TR3/TR4 scroll seal centering tools.  The dimensions
reflect a change from the factory manual, after three independent reviews took
place in recent history. The new dimensions suggest that the TR engineers
reduced the clearance of the scroll seal and the manuals did not get changed.
Tools made to the factory manuals may separate the scroll seal at it's split
seams, creating a source of leakage.

These scroll seal centering tools will be available through BPNW, Moss, and
likely through TRF.

The seal centering tool can also be used with Chris Marx' new VITON seal
conversion. The modified scroll seal and the VITON seal can be obtained in
NORTH AMERICA from ARE.

photobucket.com/ambro                              (1st two pictures at the
moment)