From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Tue Sep  1 05:07:53 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:07:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen
References: <809335FD2BDF4D61A075FA1612EDF8E6@ComputerPC>
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  Hi, I'm going but have some folks coming up so all mine are spoken for. I
was hoping to bum a couple myself.
  If there's any change, I'll let you know.
  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:11 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen


  > Who will be at Watkins and may have a couple spare crew passes for a
couple
  > WPTA guys.
  > Bruce Stutzman
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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Tue Sep  1 07:56:25 2009
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 06:56:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America ... Sep 11
Message-ID: <83250.27168.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just curious ... with everyone headed for the CRC .... who all will be at RA
for the VSCDA vintage race the weekend of the 11th.
  I will try to get in early enough to rope off paddock space for anyone that
wants.  I usually like to get the grass area above turn 5 next to Bill D. ....
its shaded from wind and a lot of heat, and right at the grid ... 


Tom

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Sep  1 08:18:46 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 09:18:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rain in Portland?
Message-ID: <20090901141937.8D5E418766F@autox.team.net>

So, the forecast for CRC looks like showers and mid 60's for Fri / 
Sat / Sun (although I note that it seems to change at the drop of a 
hat)...  What is the character of the "showers" out there 
normally?  Is it kinda like Mosport where you have a shower pass 
through occasionally, or more like the Midwest where that would be 
"don't bother to leave the Hotel"?

- Tony

From billb at bnj.com  Tue Sep  1 09:23:01 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 08:23:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Rain in Portland?
In-Reply-To: <20090901141937.8D5E418766F@autox.team.net>
References: <20090901141937.8D5E418766F@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <3EEF3BF9-B06A-4397-9045-F8BEE0FF3004@bnj.com>

This time of the year a shower is generally very short, just enough to  
make the track snotty for a race or two. We rarely get heavy rain,  
it's just usually overcast and occasional drizzles.
On Sep 1, 2009, at 7:18 AM, Tony Drews wrote:

> So, the forecast for CRC looks like showers and mid 60's for Fri /  
> Sat / Sun (although I note that it seems to change at the drop of a  
> hat)...  What is the character of the "showers" out there normally?   
> Is it kinda like Mosport where you have a shower pass through  
> occasionally, or more like the Midwest where that would be "don't  
> bother to leave the Hotel"?
>
> - Tony
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From rodkent at cox.net  Tue Sep  1 10:01:49 2009
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:01:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] hpv-1 ignition
In-Reply-To: <1661778748.6105391251771937862.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20090901120149.BO8FH.2901.imail@fed1rmwml44>

I have heard some instances of problems, but not nearly as many as with msd. I have used electromotive for 20 years and no issues outside goofy things like bad grounds, bad wires or something not the units fault. I may have a spare if you are still looking for one. 
---- fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote: 
take the electromotive and put it on the shelf.



replace it with a distributor and points and go racing.B 



I use a crank fire and MSD with a distributor in backup...in 6 years...no
iginition failures.



most everyone I know has taken the electromotives off



aaron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>
To: "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:01:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [Fot] hpv-1 ignition

FoTer's goodmorning, found my mistery issue with the tr4 that has plaqued me
all season. The electromotive crankfired ignition system that i run has been
diagnosed by the factory as at fault. The base unit (that the coils plug into)
does not send proper pulses consistantly, what i thought was a fuel issue
turned out not so. My question, does anyone have a spare or not needed unit
that they would like to part with??? Hate to invest alot of monies on a new
unit this late in the season unless i have to, the unit in question is a
Electromotive HPV-1 for a 4cyl. Thanks and have a good weekend. Mark
Pendergrass
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From rodkent at cox.net  Tue Sep  1 10:03:26 2009
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:03:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] A-arm question
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330908311638k4ec02080p44a3057ffcdc5993@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090901120326.RQY6Z.2935.imail@fed1rmwml44>

way different
---- robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com> wrote: 
I don't have one in hand either, but I'm pretty sure they are different.
Check the part numbers perhaps?


On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Gary Horstkorta
<vintage.racer at comcast.net>wrote:

> Since I've only owned TRs and not Spitfires I have a question for anyone
> with knowledge about how similar the upper A-arms of a GT6 versus TR4-6.
> I've checked a general Triumph car service manual and the diagram of the
> GT6
> upper a-arm looks similar but not having one in hand to compare, I can't
> tell if it is the same as a TR4-6.  Anyone out there know?  Thanks.
>
>
>
> Gary
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From cak at dimebank.com  Tue Sep  1 12:08:47 2009
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 11:08:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] A-arm question
Message-ID: <200909011808.n81I8lSZ027440@moose.dimebank.com>

Way different.

GT6 is symmetrical; the upper a-arm is made up of 2ea p/n 119272. 
The TR4A/TR6 is asymmetrical; upper a-arm is 1ea p/n133504, 1ea p/n133507.
Completely different dimensions, bushings, ball joints.

chris

From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue Sep  1 12:47:01 2009
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 11:47:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] A-arm question
Message-ID: <000001ca2b34$97e9dbe0$c7bd93a0$@racer@comcast.net>

Thanks to all who responded to my question about GT6 vs TR4-6 a-arms, I now
know they are completely different.

 

Gary

From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Sep  1 13:12:48 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:12:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] A-arm question
References: <000001ca2b34$97e9dbe0$c7bd93a0$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8564A2897A5E405DB1A6A6F85F05BF32@Bud>

they will work on the rear though...(:>)
Racer Bud
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 11:47 AM
Subject: [Fot] A-arm question


> Thanks to all who responded to my question about GT6 vs TR4-6 a-arms, I 
> now
> know they are completely different.
>
>
>
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Sep  1 14:19:43 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 15:19:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America ... Sep 11
In-Reply-To: <83250.27168.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <83250.27168.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003901ca2b41$8bdb8ad0$a392a070$@com>

Ryan and I will be there with the TR4.

Tim Murphy

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of tom strange
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:56 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America ... Sep 11

Just curious ... with everyone headed for the CRC .... who all will be at RA
for the VSCDA vintage race the weekend of the 11th.
  I will try to get in early enough to rope off paddock space for anyone
that
wants.  I usually like to get the grass area above turn 5 next to Bill D.
....
its shaded from wind and a lot of heat, and right at the grid ... 


Tom

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#4 white spitfire
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Sep  2 05:03:09 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 13:03:09 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Frame bending
In-Reply-To: <8564A2897A5E405DB1A6A6F85F05BF32@Bud>
References: <000001ca2b34$97e9dbe0$c7bd93a0$@racer@comcast.net>
	<8564A2897A5E405DB1A6A6F85F05BF32@Bud>
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Hi,

after the rear axle breakage at Spa I need to bend the front suspension
domes.
Any advice how to bend them?

Cheers
Chris

From billb at bnj.com  Wed Sep  2 08:20:57 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 07:20:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Frame bending
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Message-ID: <15419DB6-5331-4F31-9C7A-713D7686C7D8@bnj.com>

A frame shop should be able to do that for you. I've had to have my  
frame straightened. Only right way is on a big frame table .
On Sep 2, 2009, at 4:03 AM, MadMarx wrote:

> Hi,
>
> after the rear axle breakage at Spa I need to bend the front  
> suspension
> domes.
> Any advice how to bend them?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Sep  2 08:22:54 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 16:22:54 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Frame bending
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Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAKyjYn5QAYZNnFCUZVKUuuIBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

As there are several questions first the video - scroll to the end to enjoy
a flying around car:
I posted if before so don't get angry if you already watched it.

http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5355089330593825922

http://www.racerspics.de/bilder/albums/bilder/2009/summer_classics/summer_cl
assics_1_774.JPG

So....what is damaged?
Good news - the rear end is repaired and already painted again. The car was
on a stretch bench and the frame is flat now - BUT the domes at the front
end are both tilted to the left. I found that the connector between the
domes is cracked on the left side. To have more camber I'm thinking about to
leave the right dome as it is and bend the left dome to the right to get the
camber there too. Any chance to do this?

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Tim Murphy [mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. September 2009 16:06
An: 'MadMarx'
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Frame bending

You broke a rear axle at Spa?  Wow, breaking anything on that track would be
scary.  I trust you didn't get injured, but how's the car?  Too bad it would
be prohibitively expensive to ship an axle over here to Southwick to do the
conversion.  If you have some connections at a good machine shop, maybe
Southwick would be willing to "license" them to do the conversion for you.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 6:03 AM
To: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] Frame bending

Hi,

after the rear axle breakage at Spa I need to bend the front suspension
domes.
Any advice how to bend them?

Cheers
Chris
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Sep  2 14:31:11 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 16:31:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Diesel Power parts...
Message-ID: <d16.51299fe8.37d0300f@aol.com>

Amici...

Sorry to bomb the list, but I need to contact the member who works for the 
specialized Diesel Parts company.  I bought some marine injectors from you 
recently.  We're installing them today.  I have a question.

Please contact me off list.

Bill Dentinger

From GRMTim at aol.com  Wed Sep  2 18:55:06 2009
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:55:06 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen
Message-ID: <c39.5e9d534c.37d06dea@aol.com>

Gary Hunter and I are going and will have the Group 44 GT6+ on display and 
running downtown. We are not racing it at the track, as we have promised it 
to the Radnor Hunt Concours on Sunday in Malvern PA.

Sorry no extra tickets, but we will probably have an extra beer or two when 
we see you.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040

From GRMTim at aol.com  Wed Sep  2 18:58:10 2009
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:58:10 EDT
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <c53.55934db9.37d06ea2@aol.com>

I heard it was at Topeka. I might make that on the way back from Monterey.

On another race note... we will have a free Classic Motorsports sponsored 
enduro for under 2.0 liter cars at the Mitty for Triumphs, MGs and the like. 
The details on this will be announced soon.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040



In a message dated 8/31/09 2:48:11 PM, jsnook at wcnet.org writes:


> Hey all, can someone tell me where next year's race will be (if it is
> decided yet!).
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  2 19:07:04 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 18:07:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirts
Message-ID: <30466.54578.qm@web57605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

FOT:

For those who ordered t-shirts for this years Kastner Cup at PIR, I have seen
an example of the finished product and the design looks great; my wife even
said they looked great.

For those picking up shirts at PIR, the shirts have shipped and should arrive
at PIR on Friday.  Irv Korey and Joe Alexander will be distributing the shirts
at PIR so look for Joe's Ambro, shouldn't be hard to miss.

Those who requested the shirts to be shipped to them, you should expect
delivery some time next week.

Any questions, please let me know.

Thanks again,

Ernie

From billb at bnj.com  Wed Sep  2 23:19:23 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 22:19:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CRC Weather
Message-ID: <230C7669-6A39-42F5-A29E-D79EAD3EC8D2@bnj.com>

Friday looks nice, 60 percent chance of rain on Saturday, 30 percent  
chance of showers on Sunday, slight chance of showers on Monday.

This time of the year, it's hard to say what this means. It's likely  
that we'll get some rain, but unlikely that it will rain heavily. I'm  
keeping my fingers crossed. The weather has been spectacular for a  
month, hard to believe that it would chose this one weekend to rain. 

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Sep  3 01:18:39 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 09:18:39 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Frame bending
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The track is fast and really fun to drive on. My favorite after of course
the mother of all tracks - the Nordschleife.

To use a jack to move the domes to the outside is a good idea, but how to
bend them to the inside?

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. September 2009 17:31
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Frame bending

What a great track. The F1 race there this year was amazing. Force
India in SECOND!! Wow.

The towers should have been adjusted on the bench, but certainly you
can jack them now. I'd use a hydraulic jack braced diagonally against
the bottom of the opposite frame rail. Shouldn't move the rail at all.
On Sep 2, 2009, at 7:22 AM, MadMarx wrote:

> As there are several questions first the video - scroll to the end
> to enjoy
> a flying around car:
> I posted if before so don't get angry if you already watched it.
>
> http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5355089330593825922
>
>
http://www.racerspics.de/bilder/albums/bilder/2009/summer_classics/summer_cl
> assics_1_774.JPG
>
> So....what is damaged?
> Good news - the rear end is repaired and already painted again. The
> car was
> on a stretch bench and the frame is flat now - BUT the domes at the
> front
> end are both tilted to the left. I found that the connector between
> the
> domes is cracked on the left side. To have more camber I'm thinking
> about to
> leave the right dome as it is and bend the left dome to the right to
> get the
> camber there too. Any chance to do this?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Tim Murphy [mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. September 2009 16:06
> An: 'MadMarx'
> Betreff: RE: [Fot] Frame bending
>
> You broke a rear axle at Spa?  Wow, breaking anything on that track
> would be
> scary.  I trust you didn't get injured, but how's the car?  Too bad
> it would
> be prohibitively expensive to ship an axle over here to Southwick to
> do the
> conversion.  If you have some connections at a good machine shop,
> maybe
> Southwick would be willing to "license" them to do the conversion
> for you.
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On
> Behalf Of MadMarx
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 6:03 AM
> To: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
> Subject: [Fot] Frame bending
>
> Hi,
>
> after the rear axle breakage at Spa I need to bend the front
> suspension
> domes.
> Any advice how to bend them?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From riverside at southslope.net  Thu Sep  3 13:21:37 2009
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 14:21:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] top end lean w/ webers
Message-ID: <000801ca2ccb$c1efec70$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>

I am trying to get the carbs tuned on an
autocrosser w/ dual 45's.

I am going lean above 3500.  went down 4 steps
(one at a time) with the air corrections and got
some improvement (goes to a surge now instead
of complete flame out) and pulls to 4K before trouble.

Motor idles well and pulls strongly until the problem
arrives.  no stumbles.

Any of the weber running folks have any suggestions before
i buy more brass?   thanks

art de armond

From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Sep  3 20:10:52 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:10:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] top end lean w/ webers
In-Reply-To: <000801ca2ccb$c1efec70$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <000801ca2ccb$c1efec70$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <20090903211052.asm1ooerwo0s0sco@www.tonydrews.com>

I ended up with 135 mains and 135 air correction in my 42 DCOE's with
36 mm chokes.  I have F16 emulsion tubes.  I started at 200 with the
air correction, so went down quite a bit there to keep gas going at
the top end.

- Tony Drews

Quoting riverside <riverside at southslope.net>:

> I am trying to get the carbs tuned on an
> autocrosser w/ dual 45's.
>
> I am going lean above 3500.  went down 4 steps
> (one at a time) with the air corrections and got
> some improvement (goes to a surge now instead
> of complete flame out) and pulls to 4K before trouble.
>
> Motor idles well and pulls strongly until the problem
> arrives.  no stumbles.
>
> Any of the weber running folks have any suggestions before
> i buy more brass?   thanks
>
> art de armond
> _______________________________________________
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Thu Sep  3 20:12:18 2009
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:12:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main cap "leaking" shellac
Message-ID: <0KPF0058ACSA1PD0@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net>

When I assembled my engine I soaked the felt strips in a couple of 
gallons of Indian Head Shellac.  Some seeped to the outside of the 
cap, of course, as well as dripped down the inside of the 
block.  I've driven the car for maybe 30 minutes of spirited fun 
since the rebuild.  Tonight I noticed a streak of shellac down the 
front of the flywheel inspection plate.  Is this normal?  I sense 
not, but am at a loss to explain why it would liquify again.  The 
split seal is leaking, which would cause hot oil to contact the 
shellac.  Perhaps it has dissolved the shellac?  I'll run a test tomorrow.

What say the gurus?

tnx

jim

--
J.C. Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
98.9% finished, 90% to go  

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Sep  3 22:36:45 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 21:36:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main cap "leaking" shellac
In-Reply-To: <0KPF0058ACSA1PD0@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <20090904043646050.IUIJ29089@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>

> I sense 
> not, but am at a loss to explain why it would liquify again.  

I'm certainly no guru, but ... any chance you've got fuel in the oil?
Shellac dissolves in ethanol, which we now have in our fuel.

Randall

From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Fri Sep  4 13:18:27 2009
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 12:18:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] top end lean w/ webers
References: <000801ca2ccb$c1efec70$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<20090903211052.asm1ooerwo0s0sco@www.tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <5CDA1969CD4544458F5E1A5354CE9394@your89d26e0447>

On my road race Morgan SS with 45 dcoe-9 carbs, with 40 mm chokes, 5.0 
auxiliary venturies, 35 pump jets (these are a major factor in high speed 
enrichment), we use 145 main jets, f-11 emulsion tubes, 140 air correction 
jets. The carbs come onto the main feed system around 3000 rpm at WOT. the 
engine comes on the cam at 3800-4000 rpm and will pull past 6800 rpm. The 
larger the choke the richer the idle jet needs to be because the main system 
comes in at higher rpm as the choke size goes up. On an autocross car, you 
need to look at the lowest rpm you think you are going to see at full 
throttle and set up the main choke size from that. On a full race engine at 
2187 cc, where the cam comes on at around 4,000 rpm, the bigger the choke 
the more power the engine will make. going smaller than 36 mm on the choke 
will have a tendency to push the beginning of the power curve down a couple 
hundred rpm but will noticeably reduce power above 6,000 rpm.
    For street use with the same tune engine, we use 34 mm chokes and 
smaller jets all around, the idle jets can be 50 f9 instead of 55 f6 and the 
cruise fuel economy will pick up from 17 mpg to about 22 mpg.
    With smaller chokes you can also use more total advance because they 
reduce the WOT cylinder filling. In full race tune on race gas the engine 
might use 32 degrees total advance, in street tune with the smaller chokes 
and pump gas you might be able to use 34 degrees total advance (but you also 
might have to be careful about any real long time full throttle use!) The 
more advance will help with better fuel economy on the street (or more 
important to me, range).
                                                                             
                    Greg Solow 

From kaskas at cox.net  Sun Sep  6 20:22:30 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:22:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>

After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet,  Mordy Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
--
Never be beaten by equipment

From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Sun Sep  6 20:30:58 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 22:30:58 EDT
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <bfe.682ca696.37d5ca62@aol.com>

That is great news and a hearty Cheers to Mordy!!  I will be rolling  out 
my 63 TR 4 after a rather extensive rebuild later this month down at Texas  
World Motor Speedway and then again in October at Hallett.
 
Kind regards & Cheers,
 
Gary Fuqua
Classic Sports Cars
Branson, MO

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Sep  7 07:46:47 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 09:46:47 EDT
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <d50.56f4616f.37d668c7@aol.com>

Congratulations to our friend Mordy!!!!  Truly deserving!
 
 
In a message dated 9/6/2009 7:23:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
kaskas at cox.net writes:

After a  thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet,  
Mordy  Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
--
Never be beaten by  equipment
You  are subscribed as  gt6steve at aol.com

Fot at autox.team.net
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Sep  7 08:28:23 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 10:28:23 EDT
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <cc8.55327578.37d67287@aol.com>

In a message dated 09/06/2009 9:23:16 PM Central Daylight Time, 
kaskas at cox.net writes:


> After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet,  
> Mordy Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
> --
> 

HOORAY for Mordy.  He joins an illustrious list of past winners.  Where 
will the results for that event be posted?

Bill Dentinger

From fastrsixs at bellsouth.net  Mon Sep  7 09:01:18 2009
From: fastrsixs at bellsouth.net (fastrsixs)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 11:01:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Last Chance Items.....Moving......
References: <d50.56f4616f.37d668c7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4378648DEA3543F7BAFEA6DBE3F33C38@D23WBM51>

I have moved to VA and am making one last trip to FL. I have a good GT6 MK 
III bonnet that will go to the crusher unless some one claims it, if you are 
near the I-95 corridor I could drop it off as I am coming through if you can 
meet me near an exit. Also my TVR 2500M is not making the trip and is for 
sale. Another item of interest is a unfinished fiberglass boot lid for a 
early Spitfire. Let me know in the next two weeks if you have an interest.

Thanks,

Mike Perry
Email
fastrsixs at bellsouth.net
Web Site
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-mpperry
Message Board
http://members.boardhost.com/GT6-Spitfire 

From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Sep  7 09:25:09 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 11:25:09 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Milwaukee Mile...
Message-ID: <d4c.49a25dd7.37d67fd5@aol.com>

Amici...

Bob Wismer ran his Lola S2 in a Midwestern Council event at the Milwaukee 
Mile yesterday.  My grandson Matt and I crewed for him.  While I've lived in 
the Milwaukee area all of my life, and attended Champ car races at the Mile 
on occasion, I've never raced the road course circuit there.  An interesting 
circuit claiming ten turns, but one could argue about that.  It's mostly 
four flat, parallel straights and the turns that get you to them.  They had a 
vintage session.  Scott and Jerry Barr ran Scott's Spitfire.  It was good to 
see Jerry in the driver's seat.  He's had his helmet on the shelf for a 
spell while he mended from some foot surgery.  Son Scott wrenched at this 
event.  The car looked great and sounded very strong on the straights.  They'll 
switch positions at ROAD AMERICA next weekend for the Elkhart Lake Vintage 
Festival.

There was a sad incident in the first practice session of the day when 
Glade Snodgrass' Spitfire took a very hard hit to the wall.  Glade is a great 
racer and he goes FAST.  But a Datsun 510 had an oil filter O ring fail, thus 
messing up turn 9 at the end of the front straight for those that followed.  
It got very exciting soon thereafter.  I am sure there are lots of parts to 
salvage from the car, but like I said, it was a very hard hit, and the 
Spitfire showed it.  As they say, "It could've been worse."  And thankfully 
Glade was sore, but fine.

Bill Dentinger

From jerrybarr at charter.net  Mon Sep  7 10:16:59 2009
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 11:16:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Milwaukee Mile
Message-ID: <F8BC35D0-558A-4C66-97A6-C38E38019FE6@charter.net>

This past weekend Midwestern Council had their first race in 4 years  
at the Milwaukee Mile. We had a great time racing at a track with so  
much history. The Sports Car course uses most of the mile oval with a  
very daunting .8 mile track in the infield. Jersey barriers are every  
where because the infield portion is long and narrow; any off track  
experience usually ends up in the barriers. I race Scott's #49 Blue  
Spitfire. What a great car, so much fun to drive, handles like it is  
on rails... Except the 2 times I went 4 wheels off in the hairpin, I  
don't think I ever figured that corner out and not many found a fast  
way through it either. Glade Snodgrass's red round tail Spitfire was  
totaled in corner 1 coming off the oval when a car in front of him  
dumped it's oil on the track. Glade's car slid into the Jersey  
barriers left front corner first destroying the bonnet, frame and the  
pushing the floor pan in. John Salisbury's Bugeye Sprite got forced  
off the track and slid backwards into the barriers putting him out for  
the rest of the season. I had a great weekend and cannot stop smiling.  
Thanks MCSCC for a great weekend.

From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Sep  7 10:53:51 2009
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 11:53:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Milwaukee Mile...
References: <d4c.49a25dd7.37d67fd5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002701ca2fdb$c70cf960$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>

my first driver school was on the Milwaukee road
course.  I loved it but never got back for a race.
It is great to see it repaved and in use again.
I hope that it will be available for us for a long time.
That hairpin is a so in so.

art de armond



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillDentin at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 10:25 AM
Subject: [Fot] Milwaukee Mile...


> Amici...
>
> Bob Wismer ran his Lola S2 in a Midwestern Council event at the Milwaukee
> Mile yesterday.  My grandson Matt and I crewed for him.  While I've lived 
> in
> the Milwaukee area all of my life, and attended Champ car races at the 
> Mile
> on occasion, I've never raced the road course circuit there.  An 
> interesting
> circuit claiming ten turns, but one could argue about that.  It's mostly
> four flat, parallel straights and the turns that get you to them.  They 
> had a
> vintage session.  Scott and Jerry Barr ran Scott's Spitfire.  It was good 
> to
> see Jerry in the driver's seat.  He's had his helmet on the shelf for a
> spell while he mended from some foot surgery.  Son Scott wrenched at this
> event.  The car looked great and sounded very strong on the straights. 
> They'll
> switch positions at ROAD AMERICA next weekend for the Elkhart Lake Vintage
> Festival.
>
> There was a sad incident in the first practice session of the day when
> Glade Snodgrass' Spitfire took a very hard hit to the wall.  Glade is a 
> great
> racer and he goes FAST.  But a Datsun 510 had an oil filter O ring fail, 
> thus
> messing up turn 9 at the end of the front straight for those that 
> followed.
> It got very exciting soon thereafter.  I am sure there are lots of parts 
> to
> salvage from the car, but like I said, it was a very hard hit, and the
> Spitfire showed it.  As they say, "It could've been worse."  And 
> thankfully
> Glade was sore, but fine.
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
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From mlcooknj at msn.com  Mon Sep  7 18:42:39 2009
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 20:42:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
References: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
Message-ID: <BAY136-W10CC1B3646EB289559C31DC8EA0@phx.gbl>

congratulations to Mordy-



I hope someone got good picture on track and when the Cup was presented. I'll
be happy to cover the even in The Vintage Triumph.



 Mike Cook



> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:22:30 -0700
> From: kaskas at cox.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> CC: gt6steve at aol.com
> Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
>
> After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet, Mordy
Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
> --
> Never be beaten by equipment
>
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>
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep  7 20:25:18 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 19:25:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] GT-Racer
Message-ID: <609032.62205.qm@web80808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Amici,

Although many were busy last Friday night at various races, I thought
I would pass along a note about a new show on Discovery HD Theater.
It is called GT-Racer, and is being shown at 8:00pm eastern. They are
covering what appears to be vintage races at different European
locations. The first show covered the LeMans Classic, and in a couple
of shots you could see the TRS in the background. Another shot also
had what appeared to be one of the Triumph vans in it.

The next episode covers Nurburging, and the episode on 9-18 covers
Mangny-Cours.

Doug

From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Sep  7 22:30:24 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 21:30:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
References: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
	<BAY136-W10CC1B3646EB289559C31DC8EA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8BA92C3443F2429FA2241FEF3CC5928E@desktop>

There might be others that are better, but here's a start,
Charly Mitchel
TR6#44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "michael cook" <mlcooknj at msn.com>
To: "kas kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject)


> congratulations to Mordy-
>
>
>
> I hope someone got good picture on track and when the Cup was presented. 
> I'll
> be happy to cover the even in The Vintage Triumph.
>
>
>
> Mike Cook
>
>
>
>> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:22:30 -0700
>> From: kaskas at cox.net
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> CC: gt6steve at aol.com
>> Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
>>
>> After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet, 
>> Mordy
> Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
>> --
>> Never be beaten by equipment
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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>>
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep  7 23:39:34 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 22:39:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <5ffb80570909071956p4a1b12cbr24d88625ac1d601b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <268700.87195.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Friends - especially those of you who are machinists or know a good one.  
I have an old locking differential carrier that I would like to use in a Triumph powered car that I am building.  The problem is: the side bearings have been taken on and off so many times that one side is worn to the point that it no longer holds the bearing tight. What can be done to get these bearing surfaces built back up to spec?

Any ideas?
Dennis DeLap

From 58tr3a at videotron.ca  Tue Sep  8 06:26:22 2009
From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 08:26:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
References: <268700.87195.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <525763CB9E8C48728E5BFA2BAA418C9B@Elliott>

Back in 1955 when I was 17 working at Pratt & Whitney, we would send items 
that were undersize to Plating where they would plate some "hard chrome" 
onto the areas where needed and then it went to grinding to be ground back 
within tolerance.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis DeLap" <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
To: <isoa at googlegroups.com>
Cc: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:39 AM
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker


> Friends - especially those of you who are machinists or know a good one.
> I have an old locking differential carrier that I would like to use in a 
> Triumph powered car that I am building.  The problem is: the side bearings 
> have been taken on and off so many times that one side is worn to the 
> point that it no longer holds the bearing tight. What can be done to get 
> these bearing surfaces built back up to spec?
>
> Any ideas?
> Dennis DeLap
>
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>
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Tue Sep  8 06:34:50 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 07:34:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <268700.87195.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <5ffb80570909071956p4a1b12cbr24d88625ac1d601b@mail.gmail.com>
	<268700.87195.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0461E4B87D@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

I would check with a bearing house to see if there was a bearing available
with the right outside dimension and a smaller ID to allow for machining the
surface to match.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Dennis DeLap
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:40 AM
To: isoa at googlegroups.com
Cc: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker

Friends - especially those of you who are machinists or know a good one.
I have an old locking differential carrier that I would like to use in a
Triumph powered car that I am building.  The problem is: the side bearings
have been taken on and off so many times that one side is worn to the point
that it no longer holds the bearing tight. What can be done to get these
bearing surfaces built back up to spec?

Any ideas?
Dennis DeLap
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Sep  8 07:19:57 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 13:19:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <268700.87195.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1927250541.1762711252415997645.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Dennis

Flame Spray will restore the shaft. The process was originally designed to
restore turbine shafts.

http://www.flamespraydenver.com/ B B  Try this link.



Jim G.






----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis DeLap" <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
To: isoa at googlegroups.com
Cc: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2009 11:39:34 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker

Friends - especially those of you who are machinists or know a good one. B 
I have an old locking differential carrier that I would like to use in a
Triumph powered car that I am building. B The problem is: the side bearings
have been taken on and off so many times that one side is worn to the point
that it no longer holds the bearing tight. What can be done to get these
bearing surfaces built back up to spec?

Any ideas?
Dennis DeLap
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

From mlcooknj at msn.com  Tue Sep  8 07:55:44 2009
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:55:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <8BA92C3443F2429FA2241FEF3CC5928E@desktop>
References: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
	<BAY136-W10CC1B3646EB289559C31DC8EA0@phx.gbl>
	<8BA92C3443F2429FA2241FEF3CC5928E@desktop>
Message-ID: <BAY136-W5DE2432209DCE55F7FAF3C8EA0@phx.gbl>

A VERY good start Charly. Thanks!



Mike

> From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com
> To: mlcooknj at msn.com; kaskas at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject)
> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 21:30:24 -0700
>
> There might be others that are better, but here's a start,
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6#44
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "michael cook" <mlcooknj at msn.com>
> To: "kas kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject)
>
>
> > congratulations to Mordy-
> >
> >
> >
> > I hope someone got good picture on track and when the Cup was presented.
> > I'll
> > be happy to cover the even in The Vintage Triumph.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike Cook
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:22:30 -0700
> >> From: kaskas at cox.net
> >> To: fot at autox.team.net
> >> CC: gt6steve at aol.com
> >> Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
> >>
> >> After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet,
> >> Mordy
> > Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
> >> --
> >> Never be beaten by equipment
> >>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Tue Sep  8 10:30:18 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:30:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <268700.87195.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090908163017968.JRXW29089@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>

> What can be done to get these 
> bearing surfaces built back up to spec?

There are several Loctite products designed for this purpose.  I've had good
luck with RC609, though not on a diff.  RC603 might be a better choice,
though, as it's supposedly stronger and tolerates contamination better.
http://207.250.200.229:8080/1/doc?id=26269
http://tinyurl.com/n9276o

Randall

From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Sep  8 17:27:44 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 16:27:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] The"K" cup race in Portland
Message-ID: <20090908192744.PE72T.105205.imail@fed1rmwml45>

The race was hot. Here are the race results:
1   Tom Kreger  TR-6   (very very close race)  2006 cup winner
2.   Tony Garmy  TR-250K                                2008 cup Winner
3.   Bill Babcock- Peyote            50th birthday for this well turned out racer
4   Mordy Dunst   Tr-4                                     (2009 "K" cup winner)
5   Jeff quick   TR-4      The name says it,  My team raced against this car years and years ago
6   Tony Drews   TR-4 (fast in the wet too)
7   John Frymark  TR-4
8   Greg Hilyer   Tr-4   some problems along the way, but a racer
9   Bill Hart   Devon TR-4  (very nice car, good guy  ,brought many great cars to the track)
10   Paul Smock   TR-4
11   John James   TR-4
12   Jim Norlin   Spitfire 1300, fast all weekend
13   Charley Mitchell   TR-6, great looking car
14.   Chuck Gee Spitfire,  2008 Cup winner, recovering from first lap crash in practice to later turn top times   
15   Peter Jeffery   TR-3B
16   Alan Mizutani  Spitfire 1147
17   Mark York  TR-3 1957
18   Steve Hare  Spitfire  1147
19  Butch Gilbert  Vitesse  (ex Kastner/ Brophy racer) Something broke
20 Jerry Barker  Herald  another broken gearbox 

Fastest lap by Tony Garmey  TR-250 K, brought to the event by owner,  Bill Hart.  

Great race with the first two overall within a car length or less at the finish and trading positions every lap it seemed. Terrific turnout with 20 cars in the all Triumph "CUP" race. All RACERS. Lots of individual races going on in the event, all in all, just a great event sponsered by SOVREN, folks who cared we were there. Thank you SOVREN.

Thanks to all for this just wonderful event.



--
Never be beaten by equipment

From adams910 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  8 17:37:29 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:37:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] The"K" cup race in Portland
In-Reply-To: <20090908192744.PE72T.105205.imail@fed1rmwml45>
References: <20090908192744.PE72T.105205.imail@fed1rmwml45>
Message-ID: <673993c50909081637u76612ea0k91f3aa2bd82a0e04@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like a great event.
Here are some photos I found online..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimculp/sets/72157622278083714/

Bob Adams

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:

> The race was hot. Here are the race results:
> 1   Tom Kreger  TR-6   (very very close race)  2006 cup winner
> 2.   Tony Garmy  TR-250K                                2008 cup Winner
> 3.   Bill Babcock- Peyote            50th birthday for this well turned out
> racer
> 4   Mordy Dunst   Tr-4                                     (2009 "K" cup
> winner)
> 5   Jeff quick   TR-4      The name says it,  My team raced against this
> car years and years ago
> 6   Tony Drews   TR-4 (fast in the wet too)
> 7   John Frymark  TR-4
> 8   Greg Hilyer   Tr-4   some problems along the way, but a racer
> 9   Bill Hart   Devon TR-4  (very nice car, good guy  ,brought many great
> cars to the track)
> 10   Paul Smock   TR-4
> 11   John James   TR-4
> 12   Jim Norlin   Spitfire 1300, fast all weekend
> 13   Charley Mitchell   TR-6, great looking car
> 14.   Chuck Gee Spitfire,  2008 Cup winner, recovering from first lap crash
> in practice to later turn top times
> 15   Peter Jeffery   TR-3B
> 16   Alan Mizutani  Spitfire 1147
> 17   Mark York  TR-3 1957
> 18   Steve Hare  Spitfire  1147
> 19  Butch Gilbert  Vitesse  (ex Kastner/ Brophy racer) Something broke
> 20 Jerry Barker  Herald  another broken gearbox
>
> Fastest lap by Tony Garmey  TR-250 K, brought to the event by owner,  Bill
> Hart.
>
> Great race with the first two overall within a car length or less at the
> finish and trading positions every lap it seemed. Terrific turnout with 20
> cars in the all Triumph "CUP" race. All RACERS. Lots of individual races
> going on in the event, all in all, just a great event sponsered by SOVREN,
> folks who cared we were there. Thank you SOVREN.
>
> Thanks to all for this just wonderful event.
>
>
>
> --
> Never be beaten by equipment
>
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Sep  8 20:03:29 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:03:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
References: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
	<BAY136-W10CC1B3646EB289559C31DC8EA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A8FC379E289E44509C43CDEB9DB24CF6@desktop>

 found another you may like more.
Charly
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "michael cook" <mlcooknj at msn.com>
To: "kas kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject)


> congratulations to Mordy-
>
>
>
> I hope someone got good picture on track and when the Cup was presented. 
> I'll
> be happy to cover the even in The Vintage Triumph.
>
>
>
> Mike Cook
>
>
>
>> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:22:30 -0700
>> From: kaskas at cox.net
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> CC: gt6steve at aol.com
>> Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
>>
>> After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet, 
>> Mordy
> Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
>> --
>> Never be beaten by equipment
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Sep  8 20:06:27 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:06:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
References: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
	<BAY136-W10CC1B3646EB289559C31DC8EA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <B4E54807AA624C548C95D1B5B4E0A320@desktop>

Here's one of the cars and drivers.
Charly
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "michael cook" <mlcooknj at msn.com>
To: "kas kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject)


> congratulations to Mordy-
>
>
>
> I hope someone got good picture on track and when the Cup was presented. 
> I'll
> be happy to cover the even in The Vintage Triumph.
>
>
>
> Mike Cook
>
>
>
>> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:22:30 -0700
>> From: kaskas at cox.net
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> CC: gt6steve at aol.com
>> Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
>>
>> After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet, 
>> Mordy
> Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
>> --
>> Never be beaten by equipment
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Sep  8 20:13:41 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:13:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
References: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
	<BAY136-W10CC1B3646EB289559C31DC8EA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6B093D6C194D4D2FA83C56794E044E37@desktop>

The only one I could find with Mordy on the track.
Charly
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "michael cook" <mlcooknj at msn.com>
To: "kas kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject)


> congratulations to Mordy-
>
>
>
> I hope someone got good picture on track and when the Cup was presented. 
> I'll
> be happy to cover the even in The Vintage Triumph.
>
>
>
> Mike Cook
>
>
>
>> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:22:30 -0700
>> From: kaskas at cox.net
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> CC: gt6steve at aol.com
>> Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
>>
>> After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet, 
>> Mordy
> Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
>> --
>> Never be beaten by equipment
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Sep  8 20:25:07 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:25:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Portland Event
Message-ID: <4AA71203.1030708@bradakis.com>

Sigh.  I realized the other night while sitting at home being miserable 
that I could
have been just as miserable watching the racing at Portland.  Drat.  Of 
course, Tony
D. might not have appreciated my company en route.  Oh well.

Congrats to Mordy.

And as a reminder, one cannot send photos to Team.Net email lists.  Well, in
truth you *can* send them, but they get filtered out.  Sign up for an 
account at
http://www.team.net/forums and post all the pictures your heart desires.

mjb.

From triosan at gmail.com  Tue Sep  8 21:33:18 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 20:33:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
References: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909082033ubceb8fcy7732944f4a021a09@mail.gmail.com>

I have posted my pictures of Mordy racing and getting the Cup on picasa web
at:

http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/MortyDunstAtKAsterCup2009#

fell free to use if wanted.

I have many more pictures of everybody racing and with their cars.
Will do some editing and then post them.

Great weekend for all but Allen Weins who did pretty bad damage to his
Spit.  [Well, Butch Gilbert in the Kastner-Brophy Vitesse and Jerry
Barker in the Herald probably did not have the greatest time].

I was totally impressed with how everyone helped whenever needed to
keep cars going.  Peyote caught the wheel of a V and needed a lot of
metal bending.  Tony Garmey, Bill, and Garmey's right handman Daryll
got it looking like nothing ever happened.

The cup race with Garmey in the 250 and Krierer in his 6 was
incredibe.  They danced with each other, changing positions
frequently.  Tony was leading coming out of the final turn -- think
they tried to tie.  Krieger "won" by .05 seconds [about 9 feet at 120
mph which probably was the speed they crossed start-finish at.

On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Kas Kastner<kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
> After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet,
 Mordy Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
> --
> Never be beaten by equipment
>
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>
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Wed Sep  9 04:47:34 2009
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 06:47:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon
Message-ID: <A8AC5039E4F14500B8E8B0C21AF4CD66@userb38463fba5>

I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to the FOT. Some of you may have met Mike while
at Portland this past weekend. Mike is the son in law of a good friend here in
Ohio and comes from a family with Goodyear Racing Tire background. His father
was very involved with Goodyear's Racing Tire program for much of his Goodyear
career and I believe was the Director of the program before he retired. Mike
is building a car that has a long history of racing in the Mid-west and was
rebuilt by Bill Lynn of VTR fame a number of years ago.

I'll let Mike introduce himself once he's confirmed.

Mike's e-mail address is mike.mehl at yahoo.com

Can I see a second please.

Jerry Van Vlack

From markjwea at msn.com  Wed Sep  9 05:17:13 2009
From: markjwea at msn.com (MARK J WEATHERS)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 12:17:13 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <268700.87195.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <5ffb80570909071956p4a1b12cbr24d88625ac1d601b@mail.gmail.com>
	<268700.87195.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W6097EED5EB3211C2D44E29C9E90@phx.gbl>

Dennis, it is common in aerospace engines to bore the housing and sleeve the
bore with a liner. Press fit the sleeve and final machine to size and
concentricity between the sides. A good local machine shop should be able to
do this. You will need to evaluate the potential weakening of the housing by
taking out material. Grind-chrome-grind is also an option as someone else
mentioned but likely expensive due to the difficulties of grinding a housing.
This approach is commonly  used for shafts.



Mark  Weathers

> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 22:39:34 -0700
> From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net
> To: isoa at googlegroups.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
>
> Friends - especially those of you who are machinists or know a good one.
> I have an old locking differential carrier that I would like to use in a
Triumph powered car that I am building. The problem is: the side bearings have
been taken on and off so many times that one side is worn to the point that it
no longer holds the bearing tight. What can be done to get these bearing
surfaces built back up to spec?
>
> Any ideas?
> Dennis DeLap
>
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Sep  9 06:29:52 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 07:29:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon
In-Reply-To: <A8AC5039E4F14500B8E8B0C21AF4CD66@userb38463fba5>
References: <A8AC5039E4F14500B8E8B0C21AF4CD66@userb38463fba5>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74014EC63D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Second!  Mike sounds like a good addition to the group.

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:48 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: Mike Mehl
Subject: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon

I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to the FOT. Some of you may have met Mike
while
at Portland this past weekend. Mike is the son in law of a good friend
here in
Ohio and comes from a family with Goodyear Racing Tire background. His
father
was very involved with Goodyear's Racing Tire program for much of his
Goodyear
career and I believe was the Director of the program before he retired.
Mike
is building a car that has a long history of racing in the Mid-west and
was
rebuilt by Bill Lynn of VTR fame a number of years ago.

I'll let Mike introduce himself once he's confirmed.

Mike's e-mail address is mike.mehl at yahoo.com

Can I see a second please.

Jerry Van Vlack
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Sep  9 09:17:30 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 10:17:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <20090908163017968.JRXW29089@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>
References: <20090908163017968.JRXW29089@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4AA7C70A.9050501@pobox.com>

This a poor boy approach that some of you will scoff at, but I've done 
it and it works.  Have you ever heard of a "strawberry fit"?  Peck 
around on the surface with a punch, then use loctite sleeve retainer as 
Randall suggested.  This is not a good approach if you're planing to 
take the bearing off many more times.  In that case, you might be able 
to turn the surface down to the size of a different bearing, or you 
could turn it down and sleeve it back to size.
Larry

Randall wrote:
>> What can be done to get these 
>> bearing surfaces built back up to spec?
>>     
>
> There are several Loctite products designed for this purpose.  I've had good
> luck with RC609, though not on a diff.  RC603 might be a better choice,
> though, as it's supposedly stronger and tolerates contamination better.
> http://207.250.200.229:8080/1/doc?id=26269
> http://tinyurl.com/n9276o
>
> Randall
>
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From dave at microworks.net  Wed Sep  9 09:20:02 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 08:20:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
Message-ID: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>

SRF flips trying to pass a TR6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic

From billb at bnj.com  Wed Sep  9 09:41:08 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 08:41:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <6C8EF59D-9FAC-49F8-B4A7-8AFFA8DB7D5A@bnj.com>

Wow, I've tried some low margin passes myself, but that one looked  
downright boneheaded.  Looked like he would have been completely happy  
with shoving both cars off into the dirt.

On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:20 AM, David W. Riddle wrote:

> SRF flips trying to pass a TR6
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
>
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From andre at gt6.ca  Wed Sep  9 09:46:35 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:46:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <6C8EF59D-9FAC-49F8-B4A7-8AFFA8DB7D5A@bnj.com>
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
	<6C8EF59D-9FAC-49F8-B4A7-8AFFA8DB7D5A@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <4362ae390909090846g215214fxd72de4a99ce66631@mail.gmail.com>

Oh wow.

I'm sure the TR6 sustained a fair bit of damage too.

A.

2009/9/9 Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>:
> Wow, I've tried some low margin passes myself, but that one looked
downright
> boneheaded.  Looked like he would have been completely happy with shoving
> both cars off into the dirt.
>
> On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:20 AM, David W. Riddle wrote:
>
>> SRF flips trying to pass a TR6
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
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From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Sep  9 09:49:54 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:49:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <6C8EF59D-9FAC-49F8-B4A7-8AFFA8DB7D5A@bnj.com>
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But how did the TR6 turn out?


On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote:

> Wow, I've tried some low margin passes myself, but that one looked
> downright boneheaded.  Looked like he would have been completely happy with
> shoving both cars off into the dirt.
>
> On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:20 AM, David W. Riddle wrote:
>
>  SRF flips trying to pass a TR6
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
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From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Sep  9 09:50:31 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 08:50:31 -0700
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
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So,would you post that video?  Sounded like it was a female driver,
not that that matters.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:20 AM, David W. Riddle <dave at microworks.net> wrote:
> SRF flips trying to pass a TR6
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Wed Sep  9 09:57:09 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:57:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
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I was watching the race from just after turn four.  This happened on  
the main straight well before turn 1.  It's a pretty wide road but I  
don't recall seeing passing three abreast, and not down the middle!   
It was a funny mix of cars, with a large spec racer ford field and a  
large FP field on the track at the same time during the MARRS double  
regionals this past weekend.  Widely disparate speeds and lots of  
close action.  Didn't miss a couple of SRF not coming around again,  
there were so many, and I guess I missed the TR6, unless it kept going.

On Sep 9, 2009, at 11:20 AM, David W. Riddle wrote:

SRF flips trying to pass a TR6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
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From gasket.works at verizon.net  Wed Sep  9 09:55:38 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 08:55:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
	<6C8EF59D-9FAC-49F8-B4A7-8AFFA8DB7D5A@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <011e01ca3166$705b3050$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

It seems this pass was likely not needed at this particular portion of the 
race. It is  three std deviations away from standard. I hope the 
underwriters don't see this.  I have made some tough passes as well but, 
never like this.

I think the chief steward probalbly talked to this individual.  My guess is 
a (hopefully) very long suspension.

Did I hear correctly... at the end the sound of a female voice seems to be 
comming from the car when aske if "OK".


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From adams910 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  9 10:15:34 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 12:15:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <011e01ca3166$705b3050$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
	<6C8EF59D-9FAC-49F8-B4A7-8AFFA8DB7D5A@bnj.com>
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That looks like Rob Dardano's TR6. He is (or was?) on the FOT list.

Summit Point seems to have a disproportionate amount of carnage. The
MARRS guys came up to NJMP twice this summer and they had no major incidents
and were for the most part clean, yet at almost every race at Summit this
year, there have been some HUGE wrecks.

That being said, in no way am I blaming the track, just making an
observation. That was 100% on the overtaking driver and she could have just
as easily backed off a bit and tucked in behind the other SRF.

Bob

From billb at bnj.com  Wed Sep  9 10:22:28 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:22:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
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References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
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Oh, I'd absolutely post it.

I'm not sure it was a female--hanging from your seat belts raises the  
voice a few octaves, as probably does flying through the air in a half  
gainer.

On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Chuck Arnold wrote:

> So,would you post that video?  Sounded like it was a female driver,
> not that that matters.
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:20 AM, David W. Riddle  
> <dave at microworks.net> wrote:
>> SRF flips trying to pass a TR6
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
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From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Sep  9 10:28:53 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:28:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
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Makes one wonder what the TR6 she hit before flipping looks like after the
crash?

I kept waiting for the driver to say, "That sucks", right Tony?

Joe C.

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Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 8:20 AM
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Subject: [Fot] How not to pass

SRF flips trying to pass a TR6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
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From dave at microworks.net  Wed Sep  9 10:34:37 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 09:34:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: [WtW] Re: How not to pass
Message-ID: <20090909163614.31DEA187643@autox.team.net>

Comment from the driver of the SRF on another list that I sent the link too.

>Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:04:37 -0400
>From: Elizabeth Miller <eracer at IdRatherNotSay.com>
>>
>The driver is fine, thanks.  :-)  Bit of a sore neck the next day, 
>but that didn't keep me from renting a car to race.  Had to start 
>from the back of the grid, of course, but worked my way from 20th to 
>6th in 16 laps.  /bragging
>
>Fun weekend.  Don't think I want to do it again, though.
>
>The video is pretty boring after that.  A few more seconds of "you okay?"
>before the car gets put on it's side, knocking the camera loose, and then
>they hit the master switch and it's done.

From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Sat Sep 12 10:27:32 2009
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:27:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
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Its my 6.  The srf's must have been on radio and hit  the gas for the 
restart because they can not see the green from were they started to hit the 
gas They even had a jump on me because I was working on site only. We were 
on a restart for a 2 lap shoot out to make the race legal from an earlier 
race delay. A minor but messy black flag
  My damage  started on the rocker and road into the  fender. not to bad 
When the wheels touched the car just took off.  She Elizabeth Miller is one 
of the better surf drivers in the DC region  Pulling in on black flag all is 
always better when you don't have first hand knowledge of the incident. She 
is fine  probably a little sore today  production and surf's never mix well 
.
You should be able to see pix.s of a busted  weld and a ground down to 
almost nothing main hoop, on   pheno.smugmug.com  in a day or so. all in all 
it was a good weekend       rob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
To: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] How not to pass


> Oh wow.
>
> I'm sure the TR6 sustained a fair bit of damage too.
>
> A.
>
> 2009/9/9 Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>:
>> Wow, I've tried some low margin passes myself, but that one looked
> downright
>> boneheaded.  Looked like he would have been completely happy with shoving
>> both cars off into the dirt.
>>
>> On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:20 AM, David W. Riddle wrote:
>>
>>> SRF flips trying to pass a TR6
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
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From cak at dimebank.com  Wed Sep  9 13:11:05 2009
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 12:11:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] GT6/Spit diff parts
Message-ID: <200909091911.n89JB4Nu012042@moose.dimebank.com>

I dropped the diff in my '70 GT6+, to discover that its a Spitfire case, 
serial FH8xxx ... now I'm trying to figure out where to find the proper
seal and bearing part numbers.

Is this a 1300 to early-1500 diff? It's easy to find Spit chassis number
ranges, but not so much for the diff range :-)

Is there some characteristic measurement I can make to be sure?

Thanks,
chris

From fasttrs at mindspring.com  Wed Sep  9 13:11:39 2009
From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 15:11:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass(Igot hit too)
Message-ID: <1391.1252523499429.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I was taken out this past weekend as well. A Spec Recker Ford dive bombed me and another driver in the cork screw at Barber Motorsports park. I was on the outside of the turn so I was the one that got hit. It broke something in the rear end so i only had drive from the left rear. I tried to drive for 3 laps but it was too much of a handfull and decided to stop so I wouldn't wreck. I am going to write a letter to the race chair and see if something can't be done. I will suggest putting the Smash Miata's and the SRF together and let them whale away on each other!!!

Mike

-----Original Message-----
>From: Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>
>Sent: Sep 12, 2009 12:27 PM
>To: Andre Rousseau <andre at gt6.ca>, Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
>Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] How not to pass
>
>Its my 6.  The srf's must have been on radio and hit  the gas for the 
>restart because they can not see the green from were they started to hit the 
>gas They even had a jump on me because I was working on site only. We were 
>on a restart for a 2 lap shoot out to make the race legal from an earlier 
>race delay. A minor but messy black flag
>  My damage  started on the rocker and road into the  fender. not to bad 
>When the wheels touched the car just took off.  She Elizabeth Miller is one 
>of the better surf drivers in the DC region  Pulling in on black flag all is 
>always better when you don't have first hand knowledge of the incident. She 
>is fine  probably a little sore today  production and surf's never mix well 
>.
>You should be able to see pix.s of a busted  weld and a ground down to 
>almost nothing main hoop, on   pheno.smugmug.com  in a day or so. all in all 
>it was a good weekend       rob
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
>To: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
>Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 11:46 AM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] How not to pass
>
>
>> Oh wow.
>>
>> I'm sure the TR6 sustained a fair bit of damage too.
>>
>> A.
>>
>> 2009/9/9 Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>:
>>> Wow, I've tried some low margin passes myself, but that one looked
>> downright
>>> boneheaded.  Looked like he would have been completely happy with shoving
>>> both cars off into the dirt.
>>>
>>> On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:20 AM, David W. Riddle wrote:
>>>
>>>> SRF flips trying to pass a TR6
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
>>>>
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed Sep  9 13:28:43 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 12:28:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CRC
Message-ID: <F19B6077-1F49-4157-A08F-B3E91102C0A8@bnj.com>

Naturally since the CRC weekend is over we're having crystal blue  
skies with a few high clouds and cool air that would be idea for  
making ponies.  I always consider September to be the Northwest's  
summer, but it fooled us this year. Still, a fine time, so great to  
see all of you. Special thanks to the large contingent of California  
Triumph races. It was nice to put some faces to all those email  
addresses.  Alan, sorry about your car, and thanks for the meatball  
sub. That one wall has collected a lot of paint over the years. You're  
in good company, I saw Michael Andretti turn a car back into a kit of  
parts in exactly the same spot once.

I didn't get many pictures--too busy banging aluminum flat and whining  
about the weather. I'd like to get all I can to populate the CRC  
website. If you have any to share I'd greatly appreciate it. Either  
email them to me or send me a link to an online gallery and I can  
swipe them from wherever they stand.

Sure was great to see Mordy get the Kastner cup. He surprised the heck  
out of me running up on Peyote like that. I had to work my tail off to  
stay in front of him. Great car and a great drive.

Another special thanks to our midwest contingent. I didn't get to  
spend much time with Tony Drews, and Monday, when it was all over I  
was walking over to chat and saw his van and trailer headed out the  
gate!  Safe drive, Tony. Hope you had a good time and thanks for  
making that long haul. Joe Alexander  kind of quietly slipped away  
too--I wasn't the only one looking to say 'bye. I had a bunch of  
people come to my paddock looking for him.

I think I got to chat with most folks, though as usual, I was  
distracted by a lot of stuff, and as the poster boy for ADD,  
distracting me is easy. What was I saying...oh, look, a butterfly.  
Anyway, fun racing with all of you.

Bill

From herald948 at aol.com  Wed Sep  9 14:31:28 2009
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:31:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6/Spit diff parts
In-Reply-To: <200909091911.n89JB4Nu012042@moose.dimebank.com>
References: <200909091911.n89JB4Nu012042@moose.dimebank.com>
Message-ID: <8CBFFA3A4E774BB-2F04-4946@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Kantarjiev <cak at dimebank.com>










I dropped the diff in my '70 GT6+, to discover that its a Spitfire case, 
serial FH8xxx ... now I'm trying to figure out where to find the proper
seal and bearing part numbers.

Is this a 1300 to early-1500 diff? It's easy to find Spit chassis number
ranges, but not so much for the diff range :-)

==AM==
Chris, that is a MkIV/1500 Spitfire case. There's a great table of serial number prefixes from Club Triumph at

<http://club.triumph.org.uk/prefix1.htm>


--Andy Mace

From mdporter at dfn.com  Wed Sep  9 14:39:04 2009
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:39:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
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Rob wrote:
>   She Elizabeth Miller is one of the better surf drivers in the DC region

Ah, any bets then that she'd tried that move before and gotten away with it?


I worked for a roundy-rounder driver in Florida who got his first win as 
a rookie when two cars kissed in front of him at the finish, and as they 
rebounded off each other and scrubbed off speed (as he admitted to me 
later), he just closed his eyes and shot the gap between them.
 

The next time it happened, the next season, he was a little cocky, and 
ran up the back of one of the cars in front of him at the finish, which 
caused his car to do a triple pirouette on its nose across the finish 
line (the tail of the car clipped off a flag on the flagman's tower that 
extended out over the edge of the track), and went end over end five 
times off of turn one.


Roundy-rounding in Florida is not so much racin' as it is egos on wheels. :)


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....

From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Wed Sep  9 14:41:47 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:41:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon
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Second as well.  I'm surprised he's not already on the list.  I nominated
him last June and I know there were a few seconds.

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Behalf Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:30 AM
To: Jerry Van Vlack
Cc: mike.mehl at yahoo.com; Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon


Second!  Mike sounds like a good addition to the group.

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:48 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: Mike Mehl
Subject: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon

I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to the FOT. Some of you may have met Mike
while at Portland this past weekend. Mike is the son in law of a good friend
here in Ohio and comes from a family with Goodyear Racing Tire background.
His father was very involved with Goodyear's Racing Tire program for much of
his Goodyear career and I believe was the Director of the program before he
retired. Mike is building a car that has a long history of racing in the
Mid-west and was rebuilt by Bill Lynn of VTR fame a number of years ago.

I'll let Mike introduce himself once he's confirmed.

Mike's e-mail address is mike.mehl at yahoo.com

Can I see a second please.

Jerry Van Vlack
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From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Sep  9 14:57:04 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 16:57:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] CRC
In-Reply-To: <F19B6077-1F49-4157-A08F-B3E91102C0A8@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <20090909165704.0CD1R.120353.imail@fed1rmwml45>

And, thanks to Bill for a grand party for his 50 year old racer.  Good time, Bill.
---- Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote: 

=============
Naturally since the CRC weekend is over we're having crystal blue  
skies with a few high clouds and cool air that would be idea for  
making ponies.  I always consider September to be the Northwest's  
summer, but it fooled us this year. Still, a fine time, so great to  
see all of you. Special thanks to the large contingent of California  
Triumph races. It was nice to put some faces to all those email  
addresses.  Alan, sorry about your car, and thanks for the meatball  
sub. That one wall has collected a lot of paint over the years. You're  
in good company, I saw Michael Andretti turn a car back into a kit of  
parts in exactly the same spot once.

I didn't get many pictures--too busy banging aluminum flat and whining  
about the weather. I'd like to get all I can to populate the CRC  
website. If you have any to share I'd greatly appreciate it. Either  
email them to me or send me a link to an online gallery and I can  
swipe them from wherever they stand.

Sure was great to see Mordy get the Kastner cup. He surprised the heck  
out of me running up on Peyote like that. I had to work my tail off to  
stay in front of him. Great car and a great drive.

Another special thanks to our midwest contingent. I didn't get to  
spend much time with Tony Drews, and Monday, when it was all over I  
was walking over to chat and saw his van and trailer headed out the  
gate!  Safe drive, Tony. Hope you had a good time and thanks for  
making that long haul. Joe Alexander  kind of quietly slipped away  
too--I wasn't the only one looking to say 'bye. I had a bunch of  
people come to my paddock looking for him.

I think I got to chat with most folks, though as usual, I was  
distracted by a lot of stuff, and as the poster boy for ADD,  
distracting me is easy. What was I saying...oh, look, a butterfly.  
Anyway, fun racing with all of you.

Bill
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From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Sep  9 15:14:01 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:14:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <4AA7C70A.9050501@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <20090909171401.X2U5Z.120793.imail@fed1rmwml45>

I have also done this type fit many times with center punch and hammer.
---- Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote: 

=============
This a poor boy approach that some of you will scoff at, but I've done 
it and it works.  Have you ever heard of a "strawberry fit"?  Peck 
around on the surface with a punch, then use loctite sleeve retainer as 
Randall suggested.  This is not a good approach if you're planing to 
take the bearing off many more times.  In that case, you might be able 
to turn the surface down to the size of a different bearing, or you 
could turn it down and sleeve it back to size.
Larry

Randall wrote:
>> What can be done to get these 
>> bearing surfaces built back up to spec?
>>     
>
> There are several Loctite products designed for this purpose.  I've had good
> luck with RC609, though not on a diff.  RC603 might be a better choice,
> though, as it's supposedly stronger and tolerates contamination better.
> http://207.250.200.229:8080/1/doc?id=26269
> http://tinyurl.com/n9276o
>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Sep  9 17:51:58 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:51:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] CRC
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Message-ID: <8CBFFBFA6F63A92-1A10-14944@webmail-m059.sysops.aol.com>

THANKS FOR A GREAT WEEKEND, BILL!!



It was wonderful!



Of course I didnt have to run in the rain.



It was good to be with everyone and not have all of the distractions.



Now en route in Montana after one night near Mt. Hood and one night in northern Idaho.



Heartland Park in TOPEKA, KS next August should be a good one, too.



Jan & Joe








-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 2:28 pm
Subject: [Fot] CRC



Naturally since the CRC weekend is over we're having crystal blue skies with a few high clouds and cool air that would be idea for making ponies. I always consider September to be the Northwest's summer, but it fooled us this year. Still, a fine time, so great to see all of you. Special thanks to the large contingent of California Triumph races. It was nice to put some faces to all those email addresses. Alan, sorry about your car, and thanks for the meatball sub. That one wall has collected a lot of paint over the years. You're in good company, I saw Michael Andretti turn a car back into a kit of parts in exactly the same spot once.?
?
I didn't get many pictures--too busy banging aluminum flat and whining about the weather. I'd like to get all I can to populate the CRC website. If you have any to share I'd greatly appreciate it. Either email them to me or send me a link to an online gallery and I can swipe them from wherever they stand.?
?
Sure was great to see Mordy get the Kastner cup. He surprised the heck out of me running up on Peyote like that. I had to work my tail off to stay in front of him. Great car and a great drive.?
?
Another special thanks to our midwest contingent. I didn't get to spend much time with Tony Drews, and Monday, when it was all over I was walking over to chat and saw his van and trailer headed out the gate! Safe drive, Tony. Hope you had a good time and thanks for making that long haul. Joe Alexander kind of quietly slipped away too--I wasn't the only one looking to say 'bye. I had a bunch of people come to my paddock looking for him.?
?
I think I got to chat with most folks, though as usual, I was distracted by a lot of stuff, and as the poster boy for ADD, distracting me is easy. What was I saying...oh, look, a butterfly. Anyway, fun racing with all of you.?
?
Bill?
?
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Sep  9 17:56:06 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:56:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <20090909171401.X2U5Z.120793.imail@fed1rmwml45>
Message-ID: <8CBFFC03AE0EDEE-1A10-149F0@webmail-m059.sysops.aol.com>

I have also done the hammer and punch approach, but was always afraid to admit it.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net>
To: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>; Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: 'FOT' <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker



I have also done this type fit many times with center punch and hammer.
---- Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote: 

=============
This a poor boy approach that some of you will scoff at, but I've done 
it and it works.  Have you ever heard of a "strawberry fit"?  Peck 
around on the surface with a punch, then use loctite sleeve retainer as 
Randall suggested.  This is not a good approach if you're planing to 
take the bearing off many more times.  In that case, you might be able 
to turn the surface down to the size of a different bearing, or you 
could turn it down and sleeve it back to size.
Larry

Randall wrote:
>> What can be done to get these 
>> bearing surfaces built back up to spec?
>>     
>
> There are several Loctite products designed for this purpose.  I've had good
> luck with RC609, though not on a diff.  RC603 might be a better choice,
> though, as it's supposedly stronger and tolerates contamination better.
> http://207.250.200.229:8080/1/doc?id=26269
> http://tinyurl.com/n9276o
>
> Randall
>
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Wed Sep  9 18:03:22 2009
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 20:03:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon
References: <D98DC5E743B2445FB630AEC2FD9F251F@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <231594DCF6B34E279104EC5B56C9494A@userb38463fba5>

I recall that as well but he wrote to me saying that he was not receiving 
any of the e-mails. So I asked for him again.
I trust that Mark will include him if he has not already done so and there 
is some glich somewhere.
JVV
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: "'Barr, Scott'" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>; "'Jerry Van Vlack'" 
<jerryvv at roadrunner.com>
Cc: <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon


Second as well.  I'm surprised he's not already on the list.  I nominated
him last June and I know there were a few seconds.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:30 AM
To: Jerry Van Vlack
Cc: mike.mehl at yahoo.com; Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon


Second!  Mike sounds like a good addition to the group.

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:48 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: Mike Mehl
Subject: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon

I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to the FOT. Some of you may have met Mike
while at Portland this past weekend. Mike is the son in law of a good friend
here in Ohio and comes from a family with Goodyear Racing Tire background.
His father was very involved with Goodyear's Racing Tire program for much of
his Goodyear career and I believe was the Director of the program before he
retired. Mike is building a car that has a long history of racing in the
Mid-west and was rebuilt by Bill Lynn of VTR fame a number of years ago.

I'll let Mike introduce himself once he's confirmed.

Mike's e-mail address is mike.mehl at yahoo.com

Can I see a second please.

Jerry Van Vlack
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Wed Sep  9 18:23:25 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:23:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
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I am astounded that driver was allowed to rent a car and run again that 
weekend. CVAR would have sent her home after having a few words with her 
about her choice of action in that situation. From what I could see of 
the situation in her camera the SRF on the right was wavering in and out 
of his line and would have concerned me enough to hold off and get past 
him later.

Thankfully you are okay, Rob, and she didn't take anyone else out, 
although any damage to your car is bad enough. I hope you are able to 
repair it quickly and get back on the track soon!

Keep Triumphing,
Susan     :)


Rob wrote:
> Its my 6.  The srf's must have been on radio and hit  the gas for the 
> restart because they can not see the green from were they started to 
> hit the gas They even had a jump on me because I was working on site 
> only. We were on a restart for a 2 lap shoot out to make the race 
> legal from an earlier race delay. A minor but messy black flag
>  My damage  started on the rocker and road into the  fender. not to 
> bad When the wheels touched the car just took off.  She Elizabeth 
> Miller is one of the better surf drivers in the DC region  Pulling in 
> on black flag all is always better when you don't have first hand 
> knowledge of the incident. She is fine  probably a little sore today  
> production and surf's never mix well .
> You should be able to see pix.s of a busted  weld and a ground down to 
> almost nothing main hoop, on   pheno.smugmug.com  in a day or so. all 
> in all it was a good weekend       rob
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
> To: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 11:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] How not to pass
>
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From gasket.works at verizon.net  Wed Sep  9 18:44:44 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:44:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CRC
References: <20090909165704.0CD1R.120353.imail@fed1rmwml45>
Message-ID: <001b01ca31af$e429c160$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

All:

 What a blast.  I'd do it again ... as soon as I can get some parts.  I used 
my car up.  Gear box only has three forward gears and the left half 
shaft/diff parts are still on the track me thinks.   Some kind track worker 
said it looked liked a Keystone cops movie of yesteryear when parts came 
out.

Bill B put on one hell of a dinner on Saturday.  What a spread!  Fresh Lamb 
and beef from his daughters ranch.  I still don't know what a "Flat Iron" 
cut is but, damn it tastes good.  But, the Lamb was spectacular.   And Henry 
Frye  well... just grilled these to perfection.  All the fixings and grog to 
wet any appetite.  ...oh, btw  while being the consumate host that night 
Bill was also pounding out some metal in the Peyote due to someone elses 
foolishness.  The crew was pro all the way... could hardly tell when 
repaired.


During Friday practice Chuck Gee slipped in the rain while on an upshift and 
had some body work to contend with.   But, thanks to some adjustments, crow 
bars, chains, six able bodies working while ten others gaulked in amazement 
the darn #14 Spitfire was put together so well the corner workers had to 
come by to the pits to ensure that Chuck did not pull a fast one... i.e. 
having a spare identically numbered car.  Damn, I wish I had a photo of Kas 
spray painting his car.
Oh, the swap meet helped... lots of inexpensive spares.   I kind of like the 
idea of having British swap meets during vintage racing.  Kudos, to the 
clever folks whodreamed that amalgam together.

How many transmissions did Jerry Barker go through?  four?  He can change a 
transmission in his Herald faster than I can change four tires, oil, plugs 
and brakes.

Joe had the very pretty and clean Ambro special (short wind screen).  Tall 
Kas along side in the passenger seat during the Kas Cup race - started to 
drizzle just as the parade lap started.  Racers were lucky... we had eye 
protection from the rain drops...  I'm not sure what  Joe and Kas had to do 
to stay on the correct part of the track- hard to see when your eyes are 
closed...bet the drops stung.

Sovren crew and the Buckingham's are a class act and lots of fun. 
Especially, at the Sunday Dinner Party.  Thanks to Dick and Judy, corner 
workers, Race Chairman, and all the kind folks who allowed us to play.

Oh-----I found out that the PIR is VERY near a golf course-  don't ask how 
but, that Slazenger 7 had somemarks on it that weren't green. I hope it is 
still has some usefull purposes... I gave it to Kas and Peggy to putt around 
with.



Mordy

From robertten1 at aol.com  Wed Sep  9 20:21:49 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:21:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <8CBFFC03AE0EDEE-1A10-149F0@webmail-m059.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CBFFD4960EDE7F-2EE8-50D4@webmail-d019.sysops.aol.com>

 Loctite does make a sealant that takes up to .015" air gap and locks the two assembled items together.? Will take heat and a very BIG hammer to separate them.? Loctite 680?? Pretty amazing stuff !

My $.02,
Bob T


 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: n197tr4 at cs.com
To: kaskas at cox.net; cartravel at pobox.com; tr3driver at ca.rr.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 7:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker










I have also done the hammer and punch approach, but was always afraid to admit 
it.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net>
To: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>; Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: 'FOT' <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker



I have also done this type fit many times with center punch and hammer.
---- Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote: 

=============
This a poor boy approach that some of you will scoff at, but I've done 
it and it works.  Have you ever heard of a "strawberry fit"?  Peck 
around on the surface with a punch, then use loctite sleeve retainer as 
Randall suggested.  This is not a good approach if you're planing to 
take the bearing off many more times.  In that case, you might be able 
to turn the surface down to the size of a different bearing, or you 
could turn it down and sleeve it back to size.
Larry

Randall wrote:
>> What can be done to get these 
>> bearing surfaces built back up to spec?
>>     
>
> There are several Loctite products designed for this purpose.  I've had good
> luck with RC609, though not on a diff.  RC603 might be a better choice,
> though, as it's supposedly stronger and tolerates contamination better.
> http://207.250.200.229:8080/1/doc?id=26269
> http://tinyurl.com/n9276o
>
> Randall
>
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Wed Sep  9 20:37:21 2009
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:37:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker  -  Loctite 680
In-Reply-To: <8CBFFD4960EDE7F-2EE8-50D4@webmail-d019.sysops.aol.com>
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Message-ID: <4AA86661.5080102@greenheart.com>

http://tds.loctite.com/tds5/docs/680-EN.PDF

I've never used the stuff, but I trust Loctite products to perform well.

--Justin




robertten1 at aol.com wrote:

> Loctite does make a sealant that takes up to .015" air gap and locks the two assembled items together.? Will take heat and a very BIG hammer to separate them.? Loctite 680?? Pretty amazing stuff !
>
>My $.02,
>Bob T
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: n197tr4 at cs.com
>To: kaskas at cox.net; cartravel at pobox.com; tr3driver at ca.rr.com
>Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 7:56 pm
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I have also done the hammer and punch approach, but was always afraid to admit 
>it.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net>
>To: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>; Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
>Cc: 'FOT' <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:14 pm
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker
>
>
>
>I have also done this type fit many times with center punch and hammer.
>---- Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote: 
>
>=============
>This a poor boy approach that some of you will scoff at, but I've done 
>it and it works.  Have you ever heard of a "strawberry fit"?  Peck 
>around on the surface with a punch, then use loctite sleeve retainer as 
>Randall suggested.  This is not a good approach if you're planing to 
>take the bearing off many more times.  In that case, you might be able 
>to turn the surface down to the size of a different bearing, or you 
>could turn it down and sleeve it back to size.
>Larry
>
>Randall wrote:
>  
>
>>>What can be done to get these 
>>>bearing surfaces built back up to spec?
>>>    
>>>      
>>>
>>There are several Loctite products designed for this purpose.  I've had good
>>luck with RC609, though not on a diff.  RC603 might be a better choice,
>>though, as it's supposedly stronger and tolerates contamination better.
>>http://207.250.200.229:8080/1/doc?id=26269
>>http://tinyurl.com/n9276o
>>
>>Randall
>>
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>>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Sep  9 20:53:07 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 19:53:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <8CBFFD4960EDE7F-2EE8-50D4@webmail-d019.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090910025307205.LSED5638@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com>

> Will take heat 
> and a very BIG hammer to separate them.? Loctite 680?? 

FWIW, I have the crank pulley on my street TR3 motor mounted with the RC609
I mentioned before, as the crank nose is worn undersize.  It can be removed
with a puller, though it does take a lot of force.

Randall

From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Sep  9 21:43:50 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 20:43:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Picture from Kastner Cup at Portland Sept 5-6 09
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909092043l5083eb03u5b215cc4bf36f5cb@mail.gmail.com>

I have uploaded a ton of pictures at:

http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/KastnerCupColumbiaRiverClassic09#

When you are at the pictures you can also go uo to the top [all my
public albums] and see all of Morty Dunst racing and getting the Cup
award.

Enjoy and use as you wish with credits.

-- 
Chuck Arnold

From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Sep  9 22:28:01 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:28:01 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6/Spit diff parts
In-Reply-To: <200909091911.n89JB4Nu012042@moose.dimebank.com>
References: <200909091911.n89JB4Nu012042@moose.dimebank.com>
Message-ID: <4AA88051.4050404@bradakis.com>

Is this the diff that we installed the Quaife in?  I seem to recall we 
had to use
a 1500 case as the GT6 one was too small to hold the proper carrier.

mjb.

From quicktr4 at comcast.net  Wed Sep  9 22:55:07 2009
From: quicktr4 at comcast.net (quicktr4)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 21:55:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CRC
References: <F19B6077-1F49-4157-A08F-B3E91102C0A8@bnj.com>
	<8CBFFBFA6F63A92-1A10-14944@webmail-m059.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1744304A334B4535AD9EB531F87D7FD4@quickfure2vk6w>

I want to thank all that towed so far to get to the crc. I hade a wonderfull 
time on and off the track with all of you. I will get down to a vara race 
soon. Jeff Quick
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From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <billb at bnj.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC


> THANKS FOR A GREAT WEEKEND, BILL!!
>
>
>
> It was wonderful!
>
>
>
> Of course I didnt have to run in the rain.
>
>
>
> It was good to be with everyone and not have all of the distractions.
>
>
>
> Now en route in Montana after one night near Mt. Hood and one night in 
> northern Idaho.
>
>
>
> Heartland Park in TOPEKA, KS next August should be a good one, too.
>
>
>
> Jan & Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 2:28 pm
> Subject: [Fot] CRC
>
>
>
> Naturally since the CRC weekend is over we're having crystal blue skies 
> with a few high clouds and cool air that would be idea for making ponies. 
> I always consider September to be the Northwest's summer, but it fooled us 
> this year. Still, a fine time, so great to see all of you. Special thanks 
> to the large contingent of California Triumph races. It was nice to put 
> some faces to all those email addresses. Alan, sorry about your car, and 
> thanks for the meatball sub. That one wall has collected a lot of paint 
> over the years. You're in good company, I saw Michael Andretti turn a car 
> back into a kit of parts in exactly the same spot once.?
> ?
> I didn't get many pictures--too busy banging aluminum flat and whining 
> about the weather. I'd like to get all I can to populate the CRC website. 
> If you have any to share I'd greatly appreciate it. Either email them to 
> me or send me a link to an online gallery and I can swipe them from 
> wherever they stand.?
> ?
> Sure was great to see Mordy get the Kastner cup. He surprised the heck out 
> of me running up on Peyote like that. I had to work my tail off to stay in 
> front of him. Great car and a great drive.?
> ?
> Another special thanks to our midwest contingent. I didn't get to spend 
> much time with Tony Drews, and Monday, when it was all over I was walking 
> over to chat and saw his van and trailer headed out the gate! Safe drive, 
> Tony. Hope you had a good time and thanks for making that long haul. Joe 
> Alexander kind of quietly slipped away too--I wasn't the only one looking 
> to say 'bye. I had a bunch of people come to my paddock looking for him.?
> ?
> I think I got to chat with most folks, though as usual, I was distracted 
> by a lot of stuff, and as the poster boy for ADD, distracting me is easy. 
> What was I saying...oh, look, a butterfly. Anyway, fun racing with all of 
> you.?
> ?
> Bill?
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From cak at dimebank.com  Wed Sep  9 23:40:15 2009
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 22:40:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] GT6/Spit diff parts
Message-ID: <200909100540.n8A5eFaq011141@moose.dimebank.com>

> Is this the diff that we installed the Quaife in?  I seem to recall we 
> had to use
> a 1500 case as the GT6 one was too small to hold the proper carrier.

That's the one. I thought that the real problem was that you found
that you didn't have the correct side bearings and couldn't get them
in time to meet my typically compressed time schedule!

I wonder if it has a compression or solid pinion sleeve? :-)

From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Thu Sep 10 07:36:44 2009
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:36:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Picture from Kastner Cup at Portland Sept 5-6 09
In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0909092043l5083eb03u5b215cc4bf36f5cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8cbd782d0909092043l5083eb03u5b215cc4bf36f5cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03A61BFD6CCB4D42BDC9C7B868249988@your4dacd0ea75>

Excellent pictures Chuck...thanks for posting them

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Chuck Arnold
Sent: September 9, 2009 11:44 PM
To: Friends; Triumph; TRlist
Cc: Chuck
Subject: [Fot] Picture from Kastner Cup at Portland Sept 5-6 09

I have uploaded a ton of pictures at:

http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/KastnerCupColumbiaRiverClassic09#

When you are at the pictures you can also go uo to the top [all my
public albums] and see all of Morty Dunst racing and getting the Cup
award.

Enjoy and use as you wish with credits.

-- 
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From dave at microworks.net  Thu Sep 10 11:29:47 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:29:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
Message-ID: <20090910173108.9D0E21878CF@autox.team.net>

Sent to the Wheel list by the Driver of the car that flipped.

>Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:12:30 -0400
>From: Elizabeth Miller <eracer at IdRatherNotSay.com>
>To: W2W <wheeltowheel at racer.net>
>Subject: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>
>The view from behind:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB8n5I5h6R8

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Thu Sep 10 11:53:53 2009
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:53:53 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
Message-ID: <33173773.1252605234077.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

The attempted pass looks even more pointless from this view.  What about the incident with this spec-racer?  He went semi airborne as well and kept racing.
Is it considered a four-off if the wheels are in the air?

~Steve

-----Original Message-----
>From: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>
>Sent: Sep 10, 2009 10:29 AM
>To: members at dctra.org, fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>
>Sent to the Wheel list by the Driver of the car that flipped.
>
>>Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:12:30 -0400
>>From: Elizabeth Miller <eracer at IdRatherNotSay.com>
>>To: W2W <wheeltowheel at racer.net>
>>Subject: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>>
>>The view from behind:
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB8n5I5h6R8
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Sep 10 13:36:42 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:36:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
In-Reply-To: <33173773.1252605234077.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1930690817.2623441252611402961.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Did I hear someone sayB  " Rotate" in the backgound just before liftoff.

jg




----- Original Message -----
From: "steve" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>, "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:53:53 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass

The attempted pass looks even more pointless from this view. B What about the
incident with this spec-racer? B He went semi airborne as well and kept
racing.
Is it considered a four-off if the wheels are in the air?

~Steve

-----Original Message-----
>From: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>
>Sent: Sep 10, 2009 10:29 AM
>To: members at dctra.org, fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>
>Sent to the Wheel list by the Driver of the car that flipped.
>
>>Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:12:30 -0400
>>From: Elizabeth Miller <eracer at IdRatherNotSay.com>
>>To: W2W <wheeltowheel at racer.net>
>>Subject: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>>
>>The view from behind:
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB8n5I5h6R8
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 10 13:38:25 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:38:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Shirts
Message-ID: <379125.62327.qm@web57603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

FOT:

For those who requested that 2009 Kastner Cup shirt be mailed you should
receive them in the next few days.

A few people have suggested that I consider a second production run.  If you
would be interested in ordering t-shirts please let me know.  If there is
enough people who want additional shirts I will look into a second run..

Thanks,

Ernie

From andre at gt6.ca  Thu Sep 10 14:33:18 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:33:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
In-Reply-To: <1930690817.2623441252611402961.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1930690817.2623441252611402961.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <66A4A68E-A2A2-4DD4-93E6-C383A3F710A5@gt6.ca>

More like "CONTACT"

Sent from my iPod
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
68 Triumph GT6 MK1 http://www.gt6.ca
77 Fiat 124 #515
http://www.124racer.com

On 2009-09-10, at 3:36 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:

> Did I hear someone sayB  " Rotate" in the backgound just before  
> liftoff.
>
> jg
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "steve" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
> To: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>, "FOT"  
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:53:53 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada  
> Mountain
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>
> The attempted pass looks even more pointless from this view. B What  
> about the
> incident with this spec-racer? B He went semi airborne as well and  
> kept
> racing.
> Is it considered a four-off if the wheels are in the air?
>
> ~Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>
>> Sent: Sep 10, 2009 10:29 AM
>> To: members at dctra.org, fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>>
>> Sent to the Wheel list by the Driver of the car that flipped.
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:12:30 -0400
>>> From: Elizabeth Miller <eracer at IdRatherNotSay.com>
>>> To: W2W <wheeltowheel at racer.net>
>>> Subject: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>>>
>>> The view from behind:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB8n5I5h6R8
>>
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Thu Sep 10 14:49:20 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:49:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
In-Reply-To: <66A4A68E-A2A2-4DD4-93E6-C383A3F710A5@gt6.ca>
References: <1930690817.2623441252611402961.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<66A4A68E-A2A2-4DD4-93E6-C383A3F710A5@gt6.ca>
Message-ID: <07BAFAC2-F243-4B67-9DAE-439F105DFF61@comcast.net>

Actually, he pulled into the pits after his incident - I had to watch  
it a few times too, but the next accident is a separate film clip with  
a fade-in-out between them.  his was not as severe but seems equally  
bad - couldn't even pull over far enough to pass.

On Sep 10, 2009, at 4:33 PM, Andre Rousseau wrote:

More like "CONTACT"

Sent from my iPod
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
68 Triumph GT6 MK1 http://www.gt6.ca
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http://www.124racer.com

On 2009-09-10, at 3:36 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:

> Did I hear someone sayB  " Rotate" in the backgound just before  
> liftoff.
>
> jg
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "steve" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
> To: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>, "FOT"  
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:53:53 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada  
> Mountain
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>
> The attempted pass looks even more pointless from this view. B What  
> about the
> incident with this spec-racer? B He went semi airborne as well and  
> kept
> racing.
> Is it considered a four-off if the wheels are in the air?
>
> ~Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>
>> Sent: Sep 10, 2009 10:29 AM
>> To: members at dctra.org, fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>>
>> Sent to the Wheel list by the Driver of the car that flipped.
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:12:30 -0400
>>> From: Elizabeth Miller <eracer at IdRatherNotSay.com>
>>> To: W2W <wheeltowheel at racer.net>
>>> Subject: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>>>
>>> The view from behind:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB8n5I5h6R8
>>
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Thu Sep 10 15:51:54 2009
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:51:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
In-Reply-To: <1930690817.2623441252611402961.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1930690817.2623441252611402961.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS737ADED79802939A7AA5EC3E80@phx.gbl>

I wonder what the VNE of an SRF is?

Terry Stetler...
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
  To: steve<mailto:colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
  Cc: fot<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass


  Did I hear someone sayB  " Rotate" in the backgound just before liftoff.

  jg

From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Thu Sep 10 16:02:26 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:02:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <79BD6E272D444748A698D585E2A0FE25@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Amici

After meeting him in person at the CRC this weekend, I would like to
nominate Leighton Sherick to the FOT.  Leighton and his father Greg run
British Parts Northwest.  I used to race Spitfires against Greg back in the
70's.  They have supplied me with quite a number of parts for the 03
Spitfire.  Leighton is very interested in the tacing Triumphs having grown
up at the track.  I also made sure he was aware of the non-commercial nature
of the FOT.

Can I get a second?

Jim Norlin

Also, I want to say how much I enjoyed the weekend.  Thanks to all of you
that travelled to this event.  It was great to finally put faces to so many
of the names I see on the FOT.

-----Original Message-----
From: British Parts NW [mailto:bpnw at onlinemac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:50 PM
To: norlinengineering at comcast.net
Subject: List


Jim,
Great to speak with you.  Here is my email address bpnw at onlinemac.com

Have a good week.

Regards,
Leighton
British Parts Northwest
www.bpnorthwest.com
Phone (503)864-2001
FAX (503)864-2081

From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Sep 10 16:42:35 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:42:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon
In-Reply-To: <A8AC5039E4F14500B8E8B0C21AF4CD66@userb38463fba5>
References: <A8AC5039E4F14500B8E8B0C21AF4CD66@userb38463fba5>
Message-ID: <20090910224247.E3DD7187649@autox.team.net>

I met Mike at the CRC, and agree that he should be on the list...

- Tony Drews

At 05:47 AM 9/9/2009, Jerry Van Vlack wrote:
>I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to the FOT. Some of you may have met Mike while
>at Portland this past weekend. Mike is the son in law of a good friend here in
>Ohio and comes from a family with Goodyear Racing Tire background. His father
>was very involved with Goodyear's Racing Tire program for much of his Goodyear
>career and I believe was the Director of the program before he retired. Mike
>is building a car that has a long history of racing in the Mid-west and was
>rebuilt by Bill Lynn of VTR fame a number of years ago.
>
>I'll let Mike introduce himself once he's confirmed.
>
>Mike's e-mail address is mike.mehl at yahoo.com
>
>Can I see a second please.
>
>Jerry Van Vlack
>
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From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Thu Sep 10 18:11:28 2009
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:11:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] tie rod ends for TR4
Message-ID: <000001ca3274$69d607f0$6401a8c0@blake1>

Has anyone fond a suitable replacement tie rod end from a Carquest,
Napa, or the like?  The ones I have from TRF don't engage many threads
on the female threaded portion where the tie rod end connects to the
rack.  I would like to find a tie rod end that has a longer female
threaded section.
 
I planned to bring one to Carquest and dig through their stock but maybe
someone has already done that???
 
Thanks,
 
Greg

From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Sep 10 17:14:19 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:14:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] CRC part 1 of 2
Message-ID: <20090910231427.286B3187649@autox.team.net>

Just pulled into home this afternoon and have most of my stuff unloaded.

Had a great time at the CRC!  Seeing the weather forecast Friday 
night and Saturday morning I was looking at a washout.  "If you're 
planning to be out this weekend, Monday afternoon looks to be the 
best time."  Of course, the event ended early afternoon Monday.

However, the rain was off and on, we got in a fair amount of racing 
in the dry and generally the weather wasn't that bad...  I found that 
the new Speedsters that I mounted at the beginning of the weekend 
(got the old set almost down to the cords) worked pretty well in the wet.

Since I had never been to Portland International Raceway before I 
followed John James around in the rain for the first session on 
Saturday morning.  I found that was an excellent way to learn the 
track - low speed, plenty of time to look around.  It was raining 
hard enough to get my suit wet but not hard enough to make the track 
undriveable.  I eventually passed Jeff and started to push it a bit 
in the wet, figuring that I'd need to understand how far I could push 
it.  The 2nd session on Saturday was on a drying track, so I got to 
go a bit faster.  Since most of the field didn't go out in the first 
session, and each session after that was gridded as a race (with the 
grid position based on the finishing order of the prior race) I got 
to start fairly near the front.  Since the TR-3 / TR-4 normal group 
was oversubscribed we were moved to the group with the Corvettes and 
Mustangs.  They came out for this race, so mirror watching was pretty 
important.  Partway through the session, someone oiled down the 
corners at the end of the back straight all the way down the front 
straight.  I had a great dice with Bill Hart Jr. in the Devin TR, 
eventually passing him when he got a wheel in the oil and couldn't 
put down the power.  The Handicap race finished out the day.  I had a 
good run in this, and I believe that Triumphs took the top 6 
spots.  Lunker won it, Jeff Quick was right on his tail, I came in 
3rd with designs on both of them and Mordy FLEW by me right after the 
checkered flag waved.  I didn't even know he was there, I was so 
intent on the first two guys...  This race was entirely on a dry 
track, I think.

Bill and his family (with master chef Henry Frye) put on quite the 
shindig Saturday evening.  Bill Hart and I exchanged pleasantries 
regarding our earlier dice, and Bill and Tony Garmey were beating the 
front of the Peyote back into shape.  Seemed the FV driver who spun 
didn't keep his car locked down and shot back onto the track directly 
into Bill's path.  Grrr.

- Tony Drews

From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Sep 10 17:15:26 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:15:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] CRC part 2 of 2
Message-ID: <20090910231532.9403E187649@autox.team.net>

Sunday started off rainy again, I went out in the morning session and 
again tested the tires in the wet.  It wasn't raining very hard, and 
I could carry a fair amount of speed it seemed.  The track was 
drying, but someone was oiling it down at the same time so THAT made 
it interesting.  The BMW's I was racing with didn't seem to figure 
out the oil deal as both of them spun after passing me and one spun 
in my rear view mirror trying to catch back up with me.  They 
thoughtfully scheduled the Kastner Cup All Triumph race immediately 
after lunch on Sunday.  I figured that having it that early in the 
weekend most of the Triumphs would still be running.  They gridded 
this race on "first come first served" and I was 4th to the grid 
(heh, heh).  I figured the California contingent would blow by me in 
short order.  However, during the anthems (both Canadian and USA) it 
started to rain fairly heavily.  This seemed to be in my favor.  As I 
recall, the 250K ("the prototype"), Peyote, and Lunker in his "plum 
pi" (number 3.14) TR-4 were gridded ahead of me.  On the start the #7 
white TR-6 (Creager?) passed me and was quickly up to the 250K.  A 
Herald got by me in a daring pass going into the sweeping corners 
between the front straight and the back straight.  He dive bombed 
Lunker, clipping his rear and both spun off in front of me.  I was 
glad to see both had moved on the next lap.  Lunker came out OK, it 
just hit his wheel, but the Herald retired.  That left me in 4th 
behind the Peyote.  I was keeping up with Bill, but the rain subsided 
and the track started to dry.  Mordy made quick work of me and worked 
on Bill for the rest of the race.  I got passed by another TR-4 
(forget who, maybe Jeff Quick) and ended up finishing 6th.  I was 
pleased with this result!

I don't have a strong recollection of the final race on 
Sunday.  Lunker killed his gearbox and was on the hunt for 
another.  They got it changed in time for Monday's DRY 
racing.  Monday's first race a bunch of the TR-4's decided to start 
at the back and race amongst ourselves.  This didn't work out very 
well, as we got separated and various cars dropped out.  The final 
race I gridded normally and ended up in an excellent dice with a 911 
and Lunker in his TR-4.  Afterwards the 911 driver found us and we 
had the excited debrief of a good race.  That was probably the best 
racing I'd had that weekend.

Unfortunately, due to the rain and my own forgetfulness I didn't get 
any in-car video, and forgot to take pictures of the Triumphs 
in-situ, but did get some of them during the Monday AM Triumph photo 
session.  The whole group made me feel welcome, plenty of Margaritas 
and Beer was to be found (quite the Margarita machine!), and I was 
happy I went.  It was great to see the west coast contingent in 
action.  They sure have some fast Triumphs!

Tony Drews

From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu Sep 10 17:42:15 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:42:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
References: <79BD6E272D444748A698D585E2A0FE25@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <AC30177FB18044B090AD93A5289C6586@Charly>

I would second.  I know Greg and Leighton and both are great people and Greg 
has lots of Spit racing knowledge.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: <Fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <bpnw at onlinemac.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:02 PM
Subject: [Fot] Nomination


> Amici
>
> After meeting him in person at the CRC this weekend, I would like to
> nominate Leighton Sherick to the FOT.  Leighton and his father Greg run
> British Parts Northwest.  I used to race Spitfires against Greg back in 
> the
> 70's.  They have supplied me with quite a number of parts for the 03
> Spitfire.  Leighton is very interested in the tacing Triumphs having grown
> up at the track.  I also made sure he was aware of the non-commercial 
> nature
> of the FOT.
>
> Can I get a second?
>
> Jim Norlin
>
> Also, I want to say how much I enjoyed the weekend.  Thanks to all of you
> that travelled to this event.  It was great to finally put faces to so 
> many
> of the names I see on the FOT.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: British Parts NW [mailto:bpnw at onlinemac.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:50 PM
> To: norlinengineering at comcast.net
> Subject: List
>
>
> Jim,
> Great to speak with you.  Here is my email address bpnw at onlinemac.com
>
> Have a good week.
>
> Regards,
> Leighton
> British Parts Northwest
> www.bpnorthwest.com
> Phone (503)864-2001
> FAX (503)864-2081
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Sep 10 18:02:35 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:02:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mordy wins Kas Cup
In-Reply-To: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
References: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
Message-ID: <20090911000242.D4D8C187649@autox.team.net>

It was good to see Mordy win the Cup - he certainly deserves it.  He 
has one FAST TR-4.  Nice to see development continue 45 years after production!

- Tony Drews

At 09:22 PM 9/6/2009, Kas Kastner wrote:
>After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the 
>wet,  Mordy Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
>--
>Never be beaten by equipment

From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Sep 10 18:06:38 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:06:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Portland
Message-ID: <CBF260E6765A47E191D9FC23B946770D@Bud>

Does anyone have an in car video from Portland to share?
thanks
Racer Bud
Spitfire #21

From henry at henryfrye.com  Thu Sep 10 19:41:30 2009
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:41:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] CRC
In-Reply-To: <F19B6077-1F49-4157-A08F-B3E91102C0A8@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805056242@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local>

Helen and I ended our Pacific Northwest vacation in Portland to spectate
at the CRC. It's always a little strange to be a the track with no race
car, but I kept myself busy and hopefully out of everybody's way.
Managed to get my hands (and clothes!) dirty, so you know I had a good
time.

Peyote's birthday party was really, really nice. I got volunteered to
work the grill, and enjoyed cooking some of the best lamb I have ever
tasted. Bill's daughter Liz raises a very special breed of sheep on her
ranch. If you like lamb, get Liz's contact info from Bill had have her
ship you some. You will not be disappointed. Many thanks to everybody
involved in the party on Saturday, it was really great fun.

Tony Garmey took some time and showed off some of his handiwork in his
paddock. Along with Bill Hart's Devin TR, Peyote, and the "Prototype",
Tony was taking care of a customer's Devin SS. It was one of the
original 14 turnkey cars Devin produced with V8 power. Tony has done
some of his magic getting this car back on the track, like Hillborn
Injection and the most beautiful custom fuel cell you ever saw. Calling
it art would be doing it a disservice, it really is that beautiful.

The racing was fantastic, really exciting to watch. While the weather
was not great, the racers got to show their stuff in all conditions.
Many sessions were raced in drying conditions, so the guys that really
could read the track did well.

Henry Frye
Carless in Portland

From triosan at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 19:59:05 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:59:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pictures of Mordy racing and getting award
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909101859u58c702f3ve5f18ba8a74126e7@mail.gmail.com>

See I originally sent this out with no subject line, so some may not
have seen it:

http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/MortyDunstAtKAsterCup2009#



-- 
Chuck Arnold

From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 10 20:03:54 2009
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:03:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Thank you I am now on the List
Message-ID: <651283.24218.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I am now on the list.  It was good to meet Tony Drews and a few other folks at
PIR for the CRC this past weekend.  Got a bunch of good tips.  My TR4 is
coming together.  The Southwick conversion is done and in the car.  The engine
is close to being done.   I invested in a HANS this past weekend.  I will use
that in the Club Rabbit I have been running in Seattle and PIR (this weekend)
and of course next summer when the TR4 is up and running.  

Thanks!!!

Mike
Mehl

From triosan at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 20:06:14 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:06:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 4 speed tranny tail piece
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909101906y364e425dxa581602614b5085@mail.gmail.com>

Does anybody have a tail peice left over from converting a 4 speed
TR4-6 tranny to overdrive?  Could use one,and though I got one last
year, I could use the 4 speed main shaft also.  IF so, let me know
your price.  I am in Seattle for shipping cost purposes [zip 98109]
Thanks
-- 
Chuck Arnold

From triosan at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 20:11:28 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:11:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] picture resolution
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909101911v5091e075l8e625edea1a655a9@mail.gmail.com>

IF any of you see pictures you would like from my set please let me
know.  Looks like they lose a lot of pixels when uploaded.

-- 
Chuck Arnold

From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Sep 10 20:23:16 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:23:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] tie rod ends for TR4
In-Reply-To: <000001ca3274$69d607f0$6401a8c0@blake1>
References: <000001ca3274$69d607f0$6401a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <000001ca3286$d317a8b0$7946fa10$@com>

I bought a set of tie rod ends from Moss back in 2004 when we were
restoring/building the car.  I didn't have any problems with the amount of
thread engagement as I recall.  The Moss part number is 667-265.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:11 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] tie rod ends for TR4

Has anyone fond a suitable replacement tie rod end from a Carquest,
Napa, or the like?  The ones I have from TRF don't engage many threads
on the female threaded portion where the tie rod end connects to the
rack.  I would like to find a tie rod end that has a longer female
threaded section.
 
I planned to bring one to Carquest and dig through their stock but maybe
someone has already done that???
 
Thanks,
 
Greg
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Sep 10 20:28:19 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:28:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <79BD6E272D444748A698D585E2A0FE25@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
References: <79BD6E272D444748A698D585E2A0FE25@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <8CC009EA8DC58E7-43EC-2EB08@webmail-d028.sysops.aol.com>

SECOND!?



Maybe my fourth trip to Portland, I will get to meet?LEIGHTON & GREG.?



Joe Alexander


-----Original Message-----
From: Norlin Engineering <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Cc: bpnw at onlinemac.com
Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:02 pm
Subject: [Fot] Nomination




Amici

After meeting him in person at the CRC this weekend, I would like to
nominate Leighton Sherick to the FOT.  Leighton and his father Greg run
British Parts Northwest.  I used to race Spitfires against Greg back in the
70's.  They have supplied me with quite a number of parts for the 03
Spitfire.  Leighton is very interested in the tacing Triumphs having grown
up at the track.  I also made sure he was aware of the non-commercial nature
of the FOT.

Can I get a second?

Jim Norlin

Also, I want to say how much I enjoyed the weekend.  Thanks to all of you
that travelled to this event.  It was great to finally put faces to so many
of the names I see on the FOT.

-----Original Message-----
From: British Parts NW [mailto:bpnw at onlinemac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:50 PM
To: norlinengineering at comcast.net
Subject: List


Jim,
Great to speak with you.  Here is my email address bpnw at onlinemac.com

Have a good week.

Regards,
Leighton
British Parts Northwest
www.bpnorthwest.com
Phone (503)864-2001
FAX (503)864-2081
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Sep 10 20:43:39 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:43:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <8CC009EA8DC58E7-43EC-2EB08@webmail-d028.sysops.aol.com>
References: <79BD6E272D444748A698D585E2A0FE25@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<8CC009EA8DC58E7-43EC-2EB08@webmail-d028.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <743DBA1C5145490899ED993927263D75@joepentiumnew>

Great guys to deal with and I love the little candies they throw in with
parts.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:28 PM
To: norlinengineering at comcast.net; Fot at autox.team.net
Cc: bpnw at onlinemac.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination

SECOND!?



Maybe my fourth trip to Portland, I will get to meet?LEIGHTON & GREG.?



Joe Alexander


-----Original Message-----
From: Norlin Engineering <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Cc: bpnw at onlinemac.com
Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:02 pm
Subject: [Fot] Nomination




Amici

After meeting him in person at the CRC this weekend, I would like to
nominate Leighton Sherick to the FOT.  Leighton and his father Greg run
British Parts Northwest.  I used to race Spitfires against Greg back in the
70's.  They have supplied me with quite a number of parts for the 03
Spitfire.  Leighton is very interested in the tacing Triumphs having grown
up at the track.  I also made sure he was aware of the non-commercial nature
of the FOT.

Can I get a second?

Jim Norlin

Also, I want to say how much I enjoyed the weekend.  Thanks to all of you
that travelled to this event.  It was great to finally put faces to so many
of the names I see on the FOT.

-----Original Message-----
From: British Parts NW [mailto:bpnw at onlinemac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:50 PM
To: norlinengineering at comcast.net
Subject: List


Jim,
Great to speak with you.  Here is my email address bpnw at onlinemac.com

Have a good week.

Regards,
Leighton
British Parts Northwest
www.bpnorthwest.com
Phone (503)864-2001
FAX (503)864-2081
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 10 20:56:56 2009
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:56:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <8CC009EA8DC58E7-43EC-2EB08@webmail-d028.sysops.aol.com>
References: <79BD6E272D444748A698D585E2A0FE25@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<8CC009EA8DC58E7-43EC-2EB08@webmail-d028.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <382922.26984.qm@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Second - Leighton and Greg have been a huge help in getting me the right parts
to get my engine back together.  

Mike Mehl
________________________________
From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To:
norlinengineering at comcast.net; Fot at autox.team.net
Cc: bpnw at onlinemac.com
Sent:
Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:28:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination
SECOND!?



Maybe my fourth trip to Portland, I will get to meet?LEIGHTON &
GREG.?



Joe Alexander


-----Original Message-----
From: Norlin Engineering
<norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Cc: bpnw at onlinemac.com
Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:02 pm
Subject: [Fot] Nomination




Amici

After
meeting him in person at the CRC this weekend, I would like to
nominate
Leighton Sherick to the FOT.  Leighton and his father Greg run
British Parts
Northwest.  I used to race Spitfires against Greg back in the
70's.  They have
supplied me with quite a number of parts for the 03
Spitfire.  Leighton is
very interested in the tacing Triumphs having grown
up at the track.  I also
made sure he was aware of the non-commercial nature
of the FOT.

Can I get a
second?

Jim Norlin

Also, I want to say how much I enjoyed the weekend. 
Thanks to all of you
that travelled to this event.  It was great to finally
put faces to so many
of the names I see on the FOT.

-----Original
Message-----
From: British Parts NW [mailto:bpnw at onlinemac.com]
Sent:
Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:50 PM
To: norlinengineering at comcast.net
Subject: List


Jim,
Great to speak with you.  Here is my email address
bpnw at onlinemac.com

Have a good week.

Regards,
Leighton
British Parts
Northwest
www.bpnorthwest.com
Phone (503)864-2001
FAX (503)864-2081
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 10 21:00:26 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:00:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <79BD6E272D444748A698D585E2A0FE25@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <913398.91934.qm@web57616.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

2nd; should be a good person to have along. 

--- On Thu, 9/10/09, Norlin Engineering <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
wrote:

Amici

After meeting him in person at the CRC this weekend, I would like to
nominate Leighton Sherick to the FOT.  Leighton and his father Greg run
British Parts Northwest.  I used to race Spitfires against Greg back in the
70's.  They have supplied me with quite a number of parts for the 03
Spitfire.  Leighton is very interested in the tacing Triumphs having grown
up at the track.  I also made sure he was aware of the non-commercial nature
of the FOT.

Can I get a second?

Jim Norlin

From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 10 21:38:51 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:38:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
Message-ID: <777178.33379.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.

Any tips?
Thanks
Dennis DeLap

From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Sep 10 23:28:05 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:28:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff
In-Reply-To: <777178.33379.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <777178.33379.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AA9DFE5.4000905@bradakis.com>

Dennis DeLap wrote:
> Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.
>
> Any tips?
>   

I'll be busy when you need to push the non-running car through the pits
and into a tight paddock space.

mjb.

From chasgee at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 00:18:00 2009
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 02:18:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
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Dennis,



The key to welding diffs is to preheat the whole assembly prior to welding. This prevents cracking during welding.?I usually preheat to 700 F. Some may not think this is necessary, but I've done it both ways and it does make a difference.



Since I have a furnace and welding machine, you could just send it to me, but that's up to you. I do charge a nominal fee but nothing too outrageous.



The best part about a welded diff is listening to your friends complain about pushing the car around the pits. Since I like to aggravate my friends (as all will attest), this has not been a major problem!


Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:38 pm
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee




Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.

Any tips?
Thanks
Dennis DeLap
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From chasgee at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 00:21:56 2009
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 02:21:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] CRC
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Henry,



It was great to meet you again at the CRC.? I especially want to thank you for lending us your rental car to drive to registration.? That was greatly appreciated.? Your prowess at the grill should also be commended.? I'll let you know next time I'm in Hartford, maybe you, Helen, and I can do dinner.



Chuck


-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Frye <henry at henryfrye.com>
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC




Helen and I ended our Pacific Northwest vacation in Portland to spectate
at the CRC. It's always a little strange to be a the track with no race
car, but I kept myself busy and hopefully out of everybody's way.
Managed to get my hands (and clothes!) dirty, so you know I had a good
time.

Peyote's birthday party was really, really nice. I got volunteered to
work the grill, and enjoyed cooking some of the best lamb I have ever
tasted. Bill's daughter Liz raises a very special breed of sheep on her
ranch. If you like lamb, get Liz's contact info from Bill had have her
ship you some. You will not be disappointed. Many thanks to everybody
involved in the party on Saturday, it was really great fun.

Tony Garmey took some time and showed off some of his handiwork in his
paddock. Along with Bill Hart's Devin TR, Peyote, and the "Prototype",
Tony was taking care of a customer's Devin SS. It was one of the
original 14 turnkey cars Devin produced with V8 power. Tony has done
some of his magic getting this car back on the track, like Hillborn
Injection and the most beautiful custom fuel cell you ever saw. Calling
it art would be doing it a disservice, it really is that beautiful.

The racing was fantastic, really exciting to watch. While the weather
was not great, the racers got to show their stuff in all conditions.
Many sessions were raced in drying conditions, so the guys that really
could read the track did well.

Henry Frye
Carless in Portland
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Fri Sep 11 00:33:23 2009
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:33:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
In-Reply-To: <8CC00BEBF689D90-3808-15DDF@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com>
References: <777178.33379.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<8CC00BEBF689D90-3808-15DDF@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com>
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Seriously, you have no idea how Chuck likes to aggravate his friends. But if
Chuckles recommends something its likely right.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:18 PM, <chasgee at aol.com> wrote:

> Dennis,
>
>
>
> The key to welding diffs is to preheat the whole assembly prior to welding.
> This prevents cracking during welding.?I usually preheat to 700 F. Some may
> not think this is necessary, but I've done it both ways and it does make a
> difference.
>
>
>
> Since I have a furnace and welding machine, you could just send it to me,
> but that's up to you. I do charge a nominal fee but nothing too outrageous.
>
>
>
> The best part about a welded diff is listening to your friends complain
> about pushing the car around the pits. Since I like to aggravate my friends
> (as all will attest), this has not been a major problem!
>
>
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:38 pm
> Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
>
>
>
>
> Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.
>
> Any tips?
> Thanks
> Dennis DeLap
> You are subscribed as chasgee at aol.com
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From chasgee at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 00:46:10 2009
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 02:46:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup at the CRC
Message-ID: <8CC00C2AE90E410-3808-15F3D@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com>

All,



As you can tell by the comments, we all had a great time at the CRC.?When we arrived on Friday, the skies were clear and everything looked great.?When we woke up Saturday, the sky was dark and it was raining.?Being from Southern California this was a unique experience, especially on the track. It took me a whole lap and a half to put my car into the wall.? I wasn't doing anything crazy at the time, just lack of wet weather driving experience.? Fortunately, I just damaged sheet metal but the car looked terrible.? Thanks to my fantastic group of friends, we managed to pull everything fairly straight to where the car looked almost presentable.? I happened to bring both blue and silver spray paint and found a new tail light at the british car swapmeet.? It dried out Saturday afternoon and I got some confidence back, but I still took it easy, especially near the place I lost it.



After avoiding the wet?session Sunday morning, I was excited to see that it was dry when we went to pregrid for the Kastner Cup race.?It started raining at about the 2 minute mark on grid.?I took it careful and slow during that race and was lapped twice by the leaders.?I figured that was better than the alternative, so I?swallowed my pride and was way off pace.? It dried out for the late session and I managed to work my way from the back to 7th.



Monday started off dry, but turned wet again about half way through. I managed to?hold my 7th place, but that pesky Herald?got by me. It dried out again for the last race and managed a?3rd place. A good way to finish.



I met a lot?of great FOTers, including Bill Babcock (great party Bill!) and Jim Norlin.?Both of these guys are fantastic.?If either of you ever come down this way please look me up.?



Thanks again to my friends who helped fix my car.?I wouldn't have enjoyed the weeked as much without you.



Thanks also to Allen and Aleta Weins?for their hospitality and for loaning my a clutch and transmission out of his wrecked car.?Too bad about his car, it was much worse than mine.



Congrats to Mordy for the Kastner Cup. A very deserving recipient!



Chuck

From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Fri Sep 11 02:19:43 2009
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:19:43 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
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Dennis
I have welded up several diffs with no problem. I mig in a piece of quarter 
plate between the side gear . I have never preheated and had no problems . 
Just remember to allow clearance for the axles to pass right through the 
side gears or you make have to cut a bit off the end of the axle. How do i 
know!
Geoff Byrne
TR6 racer down under
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To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:38 PM
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee


> Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.
>
> Any tips?
> Thanks
> Dennis DeLap
>
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Fri Sep 11 07:37:25 2009
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 07:37:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
Message-ID: <20090911.073725.2848.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Dennis,
How about TIG weld filling some of the spider gear teeth, preventing them
rotating and effectively locking the unit. If needed, you can refit
standard spider gears to return original function. Uses a lot less energy
to accomplish, as well. There are some applications available (not TR)
that you can buy spider gears that have not had all their teeth machined.
There is a little backlash slop going this way but I've never had the
opportunity to verify what, if anything is getting beaten up by that
slop, or if it is protective of other parts.
Bill
 
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Dennis DeLap
<yellow-green at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.
> 
> Any tips?
> Thanks
> Dennis DeLap
> 
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 08:43:46 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:43:46 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??
Message-ID: <cd3.5f397e87.37dbbc22@aol.com>

Amici,
 
I was just alerted to a Spitty racer for sale here in Vegas for  $1700.  
Sounds like it could be worth looking at .
 
Any opinions ?  should I call the guy?

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 08:57:40 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:57:40 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??
Message-ID: <c34.5ef28c34.37dbbf64@aol.com>

_http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/1345070214.html_ 
(http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/1345070214.html) 
 
 
I've sent an Email.  That's enough at this point.  Why would I  want 
another racer when I've got two already!  I must be nuts...
 
 
In a message dated 9/11/2009 7:54:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
andre at gt6.ca writes:

Oh after  looking at the Kas weekend stuff you know I'm feeling glum
about not being  in a Triumph.

What are the stats?

Right now I just need a fuel  cell and the FIAT is race ready. I will
be welding in the bar setup with  new plates very soon. Cage next year.

I have to pull the wheel studs  out. The PO bored out a of 100mm wheels
to make them 98. Holes are oval  shape. IDIOT.

Anyhow the racing FIAT group have a set of 13" wheels  with RA-1's
waiting for me. I'll pull the studs and use some FIAT bolts  until I
buy a new set of long studs and open nuts.

Trying to do this  on a seriously low budget.

You see what Chuck did to the wall? Will be  mend the spit or launch
the GT6 next  season?

A.

2009/9/11  <Gt6steve at aol.com>:
>  Amici,
>
> I was just alerted to a Spitty racer for sale here in  Vegas for  $1700.
> Sounds like it could be worth looking at  .
>
> Any opinions ?  should I call the guy?
>
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From riverside at southslope.net  Fri Sep 11 09:40:53 2009
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:40:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
References: <20090911.073725.2848.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
Message-ID: <003e01ca32f6$3f89a790$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>

My experience is similar.   We first tried welding gears together,
but the welds cracked and made some debris.   Then we
just filled enough low spots to minimize rotation.  still
had a little debris from drain to drain.  Never harmed bearings
or seals.

art de armond

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
To: <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee


> Dennis,
> How about TIG weld filling some of the spider gear teeth, preventing them
> rotating and effectively locking the unit. If needed, you can refit
> standard spider gears to return original function. Uses a lot less energy
> to accomplish, as well. There are some applications available (not TR)
> that you can buy spider gears that have not had all their teeth machined.
> There is a little backlash slop going this way but I've never had the
> opportunity to verify what, if anything is getting beaten up by that
> slop, or if it is protective of other parts.
> Bill
>
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Dennis DeLap
> <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net> writes:
>> Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.
>>
>> Any tips?
>> Thanks
>> Dennis DeLap
>>
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>>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Sep 11 10:02:15 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:02:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??
In-Reply-To: <c34.5ef28c34.37dbbf64@aol.com>
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I totally disagree with the statement that it is still competitive in
D-Modified.  No Spitfire powered car can possibly be competitive against the
kit car (Lotus 7's) with the 2 Liter High Revving engines that have been
allowed in that class in recent years.  Putting a Honda 2 Liter VTEC engine
didn't do it in my car and I can't see how a highly modified 1500 Spit
engine could come close.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Gt6steve at aol.com
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:58 AM
To: andre at gt6.ca
Cc: FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??

_http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/1345070214.html_ 
(http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/1345070214.html) 
 
 
I've sent an Email.  That's enough at this point.  Why would I  want 
another racer when I've got two already!  I must be nuts...
 
 
In a message dated 9/11/2009 7:54:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
andre at gt6.ca writes:

Oh after  looking at the Kas weekend stuff you know I'm feeling glum
about not being  in a Triumph.

What are the stats?

Right now I just need a fuel  cell and the FIAT is race ready. I will
be welding in the bar setup with  new plates very soon. Cage next year.

I have to pull the wheel studs  out. The PO bored out a of 100mm wheels
to make them 98. Holes are oval  shape. IDIOT.

Anyhow the racing FIAT group have a set of 13" wheels  with RA-1's
waiting for me. I'll pull the studs and use some FIAT bolts  until I
buy a new set of long studs and open nuts.

Trying to do this  on a seriously low budget.

You see what Chuck did to the wall? Will be  mend the spit or launch
the GT6 next  season?

A.

2009/9/11  <Gt6steve at aol.com>:
>  Amici,
>
> I was just alerted to a Spitty racer for sale here in  Vegas for  $1700.
> Sounds like it could be worth looking at  .
>
> Any opinions ?  should I call the guy?
>
>  _______________________________________________
>
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'77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 -  http://www.124racer.com/
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Sep 11 10:28:30 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:28:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??
In-Reply-To: <FEDD9A5A52DF4D2690465EA7F1F0DAA7@joepentiumnew>
References: <c34.5ef28c34.37dbbf64@aol.com>
	<FEDD9A5A52DF4D2690465EA7F1F0DAA7@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111222330.4788@isis.mit.edu>

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Joe Curry wrote:

> I totally disagree with the statement that it is still competitive in
> D-Modified.  No Spitfire powered car can possibly be competitive against the
> kit car (Lotus 7's) with the 2 Liter High Revving engines that have been
> allowed in that class in recent years.  Putting a Honda 2 Liter VTEC engine
> didn't do it in my car and I can't see how a highly modified 1500 Spit
> engine could come close.

Substitute "car is FUN in DM" and leave the rest alone.

Put a V8 in it along with a Miata rear suspension and it might be 
competitive in the class (or even better - in XP).

No offense, but the driver winds up being a big factor too. I know that's 
why my TR6 sucks at national level events.

:-)

I would have been about 6 seconds slower than John Thomas in FP at this 
years Nationals (had my boss "allowed me" to take vacation), but I would 
have been 7 seconds behind the turbo-Mazda 13B powered AH Sprite in EM.

:-0

That's based on my consistent times compared to folks from my region at 
nationals.

But for under $2k, that car would be a GREAT starting point for an 
autocrosser wannabe, no question about it.

> Joe C.

regards,
rml
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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Sep 11 10:47:03 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:47:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111222330.4788@isis.mit.edu>
References: <c34.5ef28c34.37dbbf64@aol.com>
	<FEDD9A5A52DF4D2690465EA7F1F0DAA7@joepentiumnew>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111222330.4788@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <6B3160BA35A549C091D053A72288D1EB@joepentiumnew>

DM tops out at 2 Liter.  If you put in a V8 (unless it is a teeny V8) you
would be in EM.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
Substitute "car is FUN in DM" and leave the rest alone.

Put a V8 in it along with a Miata rear suspension and it might be 
competitive in the class (or even better - in XP).

No offense, but the driver winds up being a big factor too. I know that's 
why my TR6 sucks at national level events.

:-)

I would have been about 6 seconds slower than John Thomas in FP at this 
years Nationals (had my boss "allowed me" to take vacation), but I would 
have been 7 seconds behind the turbo-Mazda 13B powered AH Sprite in EM.

:-0

That's based on my consistent times compared to folks from my region at 
nationals.

But for under $2k, that car would be a GREAT starting point for an 
autocrosser wannabe, no question about it.


regards,
rml
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From cwnfot at gmail.com  Fri Sep 11 11:02:55 2009
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:02:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??
In-Reply-To: <6B3160BA35A549C091D053A72288D1EB@joepentiumnew>
References: <c34.5ef28c34.37dbbf64@aol.com>
	<FEDD9A5A52DF4D2690465EA7F1F0DAA7@joepentiumnew>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111222330.4788@isis.mit.edu>
	<6B3160BA35A549C091D053A72288D1EB@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <000001ca3301$b5cf0e30$216d2a90$@com>

Good grief guys!

For $1700 it will provide a lot of fun and be competitive if the other cars
all perform to that level. If Joe shows up he'll blow their doors off, for
sure.

We AC'd a 1967 Spitfire in the 70's and 80's that was so rusty you had to
lift on the doors to shut them. The 1147 engine was ported, bored and
balanced, suspension lowered and had koni shocks. We had 4-6 drivers for it
and ran old radials or Formula Ford tires from Lime Rock. If nothing else we
were competitive amongst ourselves and back then 3 or more entrants made
their own class depending on the club. Once a PCA friend drove the car and
he loved it so much he said "don't change a thing!"

For $1700 if the car was near me I would be mighty tempted to go have some
fun again!

Clark

From chasgee at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 11:21:02 2009
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:21:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] pics of my car
Message-ID: <8CC011B5EFEEBEF-342C-1DA80@webmail-m090.sysops.aol.com>

Does anyone have pics of my car after I hit the wall?? I didn't bring a camera with me and was too busy anyway.? Please send along if you do.



Thanks,



Chuck

From s.janzen at comcast.net  Fri Sep 11 11:23:46 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:23:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??
In-Reply-To: <000001ca3301$b5cf0e30$216d2a90$@com>
References: <c34.5ef28c34.37dbbf64@aol.com>
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Clark's talked me into it.  If anyone is coming east with a trailer,  
I'll buy it.  Good car to run PA hillclimbs in.  If I go off the road  
and hit a boulder,  it's a parts car at this price.


On Sep 11, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote:

Good grief guys!

For $1700 it will provide a lot of fun and be competitive if the other  
cars
all perform to that level. If Joe shows up he'll blow their doors off,  
for
sure.

We AC'd a 1967 Spitfire in the 70's and 80's that was so rusty you had  
to
lift on the doors to shut them. The 1147 engine was ported, bored and
balanced, suspension lowered and had koni shocks. We had 4-6 drivers  
for it
and ran old radials or Formula Ford tires from Lime Rock. If nothing  
else we
were competitive amongst ourselves and back then 3 or more entrants made
their own class depending on the club. Once a PCA friend drove the car  
and
he loved it so much he said "don't change a thing!"

For $1700 if the car was near me I would be mighty tempted to go have  
some
fun again!

Clark
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

From herald948 at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 12:46:53 2009
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:46:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??
In-Reply-To: <000001ca3301$b5cf0e30$216d2a90$@com>
References: <c34.5ef28c34.37dbbf64@aol.com><FEDD9A5A52DF4D2690465EA7F1F0DAA7@joepentiumnew><Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111222330.4788@isis.mit.edu><6B3160BA35A549C091D053A72288D1EB@joepentiumnew>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Clark W. Nicholls <cwnfot at gmail.com>










Good grief guys!

For $1700 it will provide a lot of fun and be competitive if the other cars
all perform to that level. If Joe shows up he'll blow their doors off, for
sure....

==AM==
I'm with Clark here! (I never got to see that particular infamous Spitfire, but I think one of the spare
bonnets in my garage is from that very car, thanks to Clark!)

Some of you have heard the following story before, so bear with me....

A buddy and I picked up an abandoned ex-GP Spitfire 4 back around 1983 for almost nothing (package deal with a '73
1500 Spitfire street car). It look a lot of paint and a few odd gaskets and seals, but very little else (except for
a pair of doors -- thanks, Clark!) to get it going, and it became a great little budget Solo II car. Loads of fun
for very little money. Like Clark, we used mostly cast-off FF slicks and such. It was good enough to win FTD occasionally
in local Solo II events as well as at the VTR National Conventions in 1986 and 1989.

At the '89 Convention, it even attracted the attention of a gentleman who expressed some interest in trying it,
and we were only too happy to let him do so. To this day, I still believe that, if he'd had something for his feet other
than the bulky dress shoes that caused him to jam both brake and gas at the same time, Mike Rothschild would've taken FTD
from me at that event. (Yeah, THAT Mike Rothschild!) I could not have "purchased" that treasured experience and memory
for 10,000 times what we'd spent on that abandoned Spit.

In its prime, it was probably not much more than a mid-pack Regional GP car; by today's standards, the engine and other modificiations were barely "warmed over
street" level. And by the mid-1990s, I wasn't using it nearly as much anyway (young children and all that). Outside of VTR National Conventions, i.e., any local Solo II event,
it was barely competitive with "stock" Neons. But I didn't care, 'cause it was still fun!

--Andy Mace



*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 13:29:47 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:29:47 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Spitty for sale...
Message-ID: <d63.3fd563e3.37dbff2b@aol.com>

The Spitty has sold to the first guy that looked at it.
 
There's still a Yellow GT6 MK3 racer available  though...

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Sep 11 13:42:51 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:42:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spitty for sale...
In-Reply-To: <d63.3fd563e3.37dbff2b@aol.com>
References: <d63.3fd563e3.37dbff2b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111542000.4788@isis.mit.edu>

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:

> The Spitty has sold to the first guy that looked at it.
>
> There's still a Yellow GT6 MK3 racer available  though...

There's also another Spit on that board:

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/1368816464.html

Looks like a good starter car, although for the $$$ there'd better be a 
LOT of spares.

rml
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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Sep 11 13:59:41 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:59:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitty for sale...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111542000.4788@isis.mit.edu>
References: <d63.3fd563e3.37dbff2b@aol.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111542000.4788@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <40F8C628647544D19C6741B076905D8F@joepentiumnew>

Quite a disparity in price between this one and the last!  :)

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Robert Lang
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:43 PM
To: Gt6steve at aol.com
Cc: FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitty for sale...

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:

> The Spitty has sold to the first guy that looked at it.
>
> There's still a Yellow GT6 MK3 racer available  though...

There's also another Spit on that board:

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/1368816464.html

Looks like a good starter car, although for the $$$ there'd better be a 
LOT of spares.

rml
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Sep 11 14:42:24 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:42:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spitty for sale...
In-Reply-To: <40F8C628647544D19C6741B076905D8F@joepentiumnew>
References: <d63.3fd563e3.37dbff2b@aol.com>
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On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Joe Curry wrote:

> Quite a disparity in price between this one and the last!  :)

Ya, you shoulda jumped when you had the chance!!!


> Joe C.

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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Sep 11 14:46:23 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:46:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitty for sale...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111642001.4788@isis.mit.edu>
References: <d63.3fd563e3.37dbff2b@aol.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111542000.4788@isis.mit.edu>
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With two Spits and no job, it's kinds hard to jump on any price.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu] 
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:42 PM
To: Joe Curry
Cc: Gt6steve at aol.com; FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Fot] Spitty for sale...

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Joe Curry wrote:

> Quite a disparity in price between this one and the last!  :)

Ya, you shoulda jumped when you had the chance!!!


> Joe C.

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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 11 16:41:33 2009
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:41:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 front spindles strengthened
Message-ID: <868412.22264.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I have made the investment in the Southwick conversion for my rear axle and
want to strengthen up the front so I don't have the reported lack of pedal. 
For those of you who ran last weekend at PIR, I have spun at the end of the
back stretch three times in the rabbit so I want to make sure I have brakes. 
I taked to Ken at British Frame and Engine and he said that Joe Alexander is
the guy who makes them and monitors this forum.  Can you guys put me in touch
with him or give me some hints on the front of the car as I get it together.
Thanks

Mike Mehl

From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Fri Sep 11 18:39:43 2009
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:39:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] tie rod ends for TR4
In-Reply-To: <000001ca3274$69d607f0$6401a8c0@blake1>
References: <000001ca3274$69d607f0$6401a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <0KPU003YL1U9UHT1@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net>

At 08:11 PM 9/10/2009, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:
>Has anyone fond a suitable replacement tie rod end from a Carquest,
>Napa, or the like?  The ones I have from TRF don't engage many threads
>on the female threaded portion where the tie rod end connects to the
>rack.  I would like to find a tie rod end that has a longer female
>threaded section.
>
>I planned to bring one to Carquest and dig through their stock but maybe
>someone has already done that???

Greg, it took me awhile to remember where I saw this: 
http://classicmotorsports.net/articles/turn-triumph-turn/   The 
article mentions Carquest p/n
ES401R and ES401L.

hth

jim

--
J.C. Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
98.9% finished, 90% to go 

From Herald948 at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 20:15:41 2009
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:15:41 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Spitty for sale...
Message-ID: <c27.698ea8e8.37dc5e4d@aol.com>

In a message dated 9/11/2009 3:50:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
lang at isis.mit.edu writes:

There's  also another Spit on that  board:

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/1368816464.html

Looks  like a good starter car, although for the $$$ there'd better be a 
LOT of  spares.
 
==AM==
Geez, depending on the "period," my car is far more "period correct"! I  
mean, the infamous Hardly Boys RaceSpit 4 has NO rollcage (just a fairly stout 
 bar), single-circuit brake system, original fuel tank (with trunk-mounted 
Bendix  fuel pump), etc., etc. ;) 
 
That's one of many reasons why we decided NOT to go racing with what even  
in 1983 was a long-abandoned race car. It would've cost too much even then 
just  to make it a legal "school" car, let alone competitive on any level of  
Production racing....
 
--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph 
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 

From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sat Sep 12 02:46:53 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 02:46:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] One more view from the CRC part one
Message-ID: <5F229567-553D-425D-9D50-E64DE6F09BCF@earthlink.net>

Hello All,
In typical Lunker fashion, this isn't going to be brief but a story  
worth telling with some lessons worth my remembering - putting them  
to print might help...
What a wonderful event! SOVREN put on a true Class Act. Great workers  
from both the track and the club [many Triumph enthusiasts], a fun  
course [thankfully not to hard to learn], and I don't think the  
schedule ever faltered. As always at a Kastner Cup race, it was great  
to put names with faces and cars as well as seeing those I only meet  
up with occasionally. The 1/2 lap track tour I got in the '24 Bentley  
Drophead [in the rain] was an act all in itself. Although it was a A+  
for "Class Act" it was a D- in terms of track familiarization.
The FoT also put on a Class act of our own. I got several comments  
from SOVREN regulars about our "Spirit of  Vintage" - seemingly like  
members of one team converging from all over to keep 'em rollin'.  
Three different body shops [ Chuck, Jerry and Bill] and as many or  
more transmission swap shops. How many transmissions did we go thru  
as a group? I [we - right Henry?] changed one but killed two, heard  
Jerry Barker killed 4, Chuck swapped one and Mordy finished with a 3  
speed and TR3 Peter from B.C. [I'm going to nominate him once I find  
his info] loaded up Sunday also with a 3 speed... how many did I  
miss? Chuck's visit to the swap meet for a tail light explains a lot  
- Connie was in awe thinking he actually had a spare in his kit! What  
a team we have!!! There were many of you that I didn't [sorry] take  
the time to seek out, but met FoT enthusiasm everywhere.
My first run of the event was my best showing - The Albuquerque/ 
Portland Enduro. Gave Connie a 3 day head start. She flew, Barley and  
I towed. Got on the road 1 hour late of my already 12 hour late  
"revised" schedule. 13 hours late with 1400 miles to make it up...  
piece of cake. OK, so Connie did have 2 1/2 days of business in Vegas  
in route but thats what a handicap race is all about. 1396 miles   
with a 27.5 hour E.T. = 50.76 MPH including fuel stops and a 4 hour  
truck-stop nap. The very moment I pulled under the hotel canopy was  
when the phone rang - Connie's flight was 20 minutes early! Did a  
quick check-in and off to pick her up. Got to "Arrivals" 6 minutes  
before her scheduled ETA so I'm calling it a win. Set out for the  
nearest gas station. About 8 miles into the search it dawned on me  
that since there is no Self Serve in Oregon, there just is not gas to  
be had at every corner convenience store. Although I spent 10 years  
in Oregon I couldn't explain the no self-serv law to Connie - anyone  
know why/how that archaic law manages to still be on the books? Knew  
we were going to run out but no big deal - got to the shoulder, got a  
splash-&-go by running the race car fuel pump, and we were on our  
way. That lasted for about 5 more miles of searching until it died  
again at a rush-hour stop light ... now we were screwed. In less than  
one cycle of the light a mini-van driving, tow strap totin' good sam  
pulled part-way into the intersection, hooked us up and dragged us  
thru to the shoulder. A bit more patience with the racer fuel pump  
got us enough to get back to the hotel. Naturally I found gas within  
a block. Once again proving her sainthood, Connie actually found this  
all mildly amusing - thought it was "cute" that I would risk running  
out for the sake of not making her wait at the airport. That was it  
for Thursday. Got to the track Friday A.M. and were the first at  
registration. First time I've been in time to be first to register.  
For Anything. Ever! Got unloaded, pit set up, thru tech, etc. All  
good. Next was one of my best strategies of the whole weekend - Seek  
out Stewards, Marshals, Corner Workers. Anyone with any influence   
who would listen to my story. Leaky rear main - yes. Diaper - yes.  
Dripping on the exhaust - yes. Smoking - yes. Long tow - yes. Oiling  
track - NO. Spread the word as best I could. Even went so far as to  
bring Fran - Chief of black-flag station - a bouquet of roses freshly  
poached from the hotel. Worked! I did get the furled black pointed my  
way a time or two for smoking, it only resulted in a post race trip  
to black flag where Fran would tell me it was time to change the  
diaper. All well and feeling ready for Saturday rain or shine. Boy  
was I heading for a rude awakening!

Stay tuned, more to follow.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM

From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sat Sep 12 02:50:41 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg Lunker Hilyer)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 02:50:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] One more view part 2
Message-ID: <D9E048E9-B4A5-4E18-80D5-0A9712659925@earthlink.net>

Saturday dawned just ducky... perfect for ducks and those who like to  
drive in the rain. I like slippery and was actually pretty giddy in  
anticipation of the "equalizing" conditions. First session was  
combination first time on track/practice/qualifying. What a rude  
awakening! [Note to self - Of 10 year old, rock hard AND over- 
inflated street tires, rains are not made]. First time I've ever been  
the moving chicane and felt like a genuine hazard. I couldn't even  
accelerate in a straight line let alone brake or turn. If it wasn't  
for really needing the track time, I would have bagged it and come  
in. As it was I was being passed by everything, sometimes a pack at a  
time on both sides, with the folks on the out-side not having a clue  
that even at street speeds I was doing my best not to drift right  
into them. Never saw the qualifying times but would imagine I was 3  
minutes plus. This was simply not going to do. Skipped the next race  
while I went over to the Washington side for new street tires for the  
wet [Got a outrageously good deal on a set of Bridgestone's that will  
ultimately go on Connie's P1800]. 40 minutes to spare before the  
Battle of Britain race and naturally it was clearing and on went the  
Hoosiers. By virtue of my miserable qualifying session combined with  
a inverted grid, I started 3rd or 4th. Although the car had a bad but  
occasional misfire for about 1/3rd of every lap [very audible from  
the stands I was told] , I managed to build a pretty good lead and  
got a bit complacent. Until Jeff Quick and a whole gaggle of TR4s  
appeared in my mirrors that is, and in no time at all Jeff made a  
great pass. Then it was on again with us changing positions at least  
a few times in the final laps. I've endeared the Plum Pi many times  
in the past with statements like "proud of that little car", "never  
ceases to amaze me" etc.  and even gone so far as to give it a name -  
something I just don't do to inanimate objects - but the car must  
have something [beyond my understanding] going on. For the last four  
laps it mysteriously gave me all 4 cylinders ALL the time for the  
win. Very cool that TR4s swept 1st-4th out of a 26 car field. Skipped  
the last race of the day and chased the mysterious misfire.  
Unfortunate that I played with so many things at once that I'll never  
be certain what the root cause was.
Sunday A.M. was light drizzle turning to real rain for the practice -  
I passed on that one. Black Flag Fran gave me two great tips. 1- put  
2 rains on one side of the car, 2 drys on the other side and wait for  
the call to grid to decide which two to take off. 2 - before  
deciding, look down the front straight... if it's raining but you can  
see the hills, you'll be OK. If the hills are socked in, put on the  
rains. Worked and was correct every time. First race was wet and went  
OK. Must have been pretty uneventful as I don't remember much other  
than that the car ran strong and I didn't embarrass myself. Next up  
was the Kastner Cup. A little bird named Irv came by and gave me the  
heads-up that we would be gridded first-come, first-served at the  
grid and was the first production car behind the specials. Great! Not  
a bad start and Yes Bill B., in hindsight I must have tried a move at  
turn 1 because after the hit I was never within range again.  *****   
Break in the commentary here and no offense to any reader, but I'm  
getting really tired of being hit in the first lap of the feature  
race. Two events in a row now. Sandia 8/15, Alfa hard into RR tire/ 
fender/door on turn 9 of the first lap. Didn't put me off but brought  
me in fearing fender over tire and that was the race. PIR Kastner cup  
9/6, hit exactly opposite side tire/fender [missed door] turn 8 [?]  
of first lap. [ Note to self - "owning the line" has no power over a  
divebomber with locked-up brakes. If I really, REALLY, don't want to  
be hit, I had better give wide berth to all unknown vessels.]  ****    
Anyway, the Cup race started in a downpour but given Fran's advice I  
knew I had made the right decision to go on race rubber. The race to  
turn 1 went fine as did the next few corners. I think the back side  
may have gotten a bit more rain than the start, but at any rate we  
all started to stack up a bit coming into the first slowish corner  
[8? or is that 7?]. I knew I was about to be hit the moment before  
impact. In the moments before going off I had time for two thoughts  
[well three if you include s**t, not again]. 1- this club has no 4- 
off rule and 2- I'm going backwards off the track... I'm still going  
backwards but I'm not going to get t-boned.... I'm running out of  
pavement.... but if I crank the wheel right about......... NOW, I can  
pull a Rockford Files turn and end up going the right direction. Got  
say that it worked perfect - car still running - grabbed first,  
straighten out a bit, into second [last time it worked when I needed  
it] and eased back on-track at a gentle angle and back in the hunt  
somewhere near the back of the pack.    *****   Another break in the  
commentary for a Op-Ed. - Makes me wonder about the wisdom of no 4- 
off rule for our level of racing - having a shaken/startled/maybe  
damaged/maybe angry driver come back on track with pursuit in mind  
might not be the best thing - glad I was only a couple of those  
things at the time .   *****    Next time into the chicane was the  
next time I was counting on 2nd gear. It wasn't there. I couldn't  
believe I missed a shift but none the less, 2nd wasn't there, the car  
wasn't about to rotate and there wasn't any way I was going to make  
it. Rather than doing something stupid and sideways I drove up up the  
chicane and parked - No way to safely come back on after that one. A  
few went by and back on again. Found second a time or two after that  
but even holding it in wasn't working. Last time I tried it sounded  
like the proverbial bag of marbles. Third was soon to follow. Spent  
the last laps holding it in third with lots of left foot braking when  
I had to but using 4th for most of a lap. Felt pretty good about  
working my way back to 8th.

Stay tuned, more to follow.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM 

From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sat Sep 12 02:50:57 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg Lunker Hilyer)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 02:50:57 -0600
Subject: [Fot] One more view part 3
Message-ID: <4C947969-E9BE-4164-818D-9EB4CFA35EEB@earthlink.net>

Enter Henry Frye. Not that he wasn't there helping all along but his  
first eureka moment was when he put two and two together in a way I  
might never have. I had the trans most of the way out [with no  
replacement yet in hand] when he enlightened me as to the cause of  
the failure - Yes, I was under lots of power in 2nd when I got hit.  
Yes, my rear is locked. YES, second must have taken tremendous  
loading when the wheel got hit. Solid conclusion. Begin the hunt for  
a trans. Tony Garmey had a 6 box but no clutch disk [my C/R disk  
doesn't have compatible splines]. No worry - I drilled and eventually  
cut the already FUBAR fork shaft out of his trans. knowing that I  
would somewhere come up with a compatible plate and use my fork and  
shaft. Got dressed in funny cloths and went to the Vintage Dress  
party. We were there about 5 minutes when Bill Babcock tells me he  
has a disk if I want to follow him to the house. Great! Connie and I  
grab a couple plates of BBQ to go and follow him out. Thus begins the  
most hair raising drive of the weekend. Following his Ferrari [F355?]  
on regular surface streets was fine, but challenging. Then comes the  
hill country of his home track. I'm driving a well loaded Chev PU  
while Connie is doing her best Human Gimbal act with two heavily  
loaded plates of food. I've put maybe 75,000 miles on that truck and  
have never before broken traction on bare pavement. Gee, maybe it's  
the racer in me but damn if I'm going to poke along to find a  
giggling Ferrari driver waiting for me at the top of some unknown  
hill. Stuck with him as best I could - sliding blind corners, on  
coming traffic, Connie balancing plates and all. OK, so I did manage  
to roll a cigarette but that's not the point! Upon arrival at Casa de  
Babcock, Bill proceeded to give me a brief tour while searching for  
the needed disk. Diane poured drinks and fully entertained Connie.  
Barley sat down in the front seat and enjoyed 2 big plates of BBQ.  
The needed disk proved to be elusive. Finally Bill took me up to a  
trailer full of TR parts, picked the best looking 3 box he had and  
said 'bet we'll find a disk for this! He did. Used but as near new as  
one could hope for. Life was good again and down the hill we went.  
Minus two plates of mediocre food but plus one [donated] transmission  
and clutch disk. Henry was going to meet me at 7 A.M. to help with  
the install and, like I said, life was again good. Hungry but good.  
Woke at 6 with the certain realization that I still didn't have  
compatible parts. Called Henry at 6:15 and told him to go back to  
bed, I'd call if I found the compatible disk. I've been thru so many  
instances of TR4 pressure plate/ 6 disk, 6 plate Dolomite/7 disk etc.  
etc. that I'm easily confused. 7:08 A.M. enter Henry again. There to  
SHOW me that I've got the right stuff. Right he was. Before going  
further he pointed out that the TR3 T/O carrier would NOT work with a  
diaphragm pressure plate - something I never would have got until I  
installed it and it didn't work. Swapped it from my old trans and we  
were on our way. Made up a crude pilot gauge [no alignment tool  
handy] and let Henry eyeball the fit. After one 3 minute false start  
[with Henry up top and me under] the bellhousing found home and it  
was just nuts and bolts after that. Had to admit to Henry that rarely  
have I had a trans hit home so easily. Also had to admit that he was  
the first person to EVER turn a wrench on my car before! [Note to  
self - GOOD help is actually helpful]. Still turning wrenches during  
the FoT family photo and passed on practice but was good and ready  
for the first race of Monday. Had a pretty good run going until the  
meatball. Thought sure my oil leak had finally caught up with me but  
NOO! I think what happened is that they somehow thought that the tail  
pipe on the track [Mordy's]  was mine. Regardless of how quick my  
Black Flag Station stop was, it didn't matter, the car knew the race  
was over [here I am giving it human qualities again] and refused to  
go but 100 feet further. Now I'm stopped in a very bad spot - off  
line but exactly where an errant car would go if blowing the last  
turn. Thanks to a strong Optima batt., I was able to back into the  
grid on the starter. Back to the pits and troubleshooting a  
electrical glitch. Seemed likely it was as simple as a bad condenser.  
Easiest to just pop in the spare distributor. Started right up. Once.  
Second time it ran a bit, died, and would not re-start. Back into the  
spares box for a coil. That did the trick [was that my mystery mis  
all the time?] Henry's mounting it while I'm getting suited up. Off  
to grid. 100' short car dies. Henry buttoned everything up but I'm  
the one who unplugged the fuel pump while troubleshooting. Out of the  
belts, out of the car, hood up, plug in pump and reverse the last few  
steps, start car and arrive late to grid. Last in line. Meanwhile,  
Connie and Henry have staked their places in the grandstands at the  
chicane. Cars come on track and Henry is going into conniptions  
trying to figure out where I am /what happened. To me, starting from  
the back with a strong car often produces the must memorable runs.  
Being last gave good opportunity to really warm the tires and I took  
full advantage. Also gave the opportunity to get a good run on the  
start which I took full advantage of. Best run I had all weekend.  
Started at the end of a 26 car field. Ended up 16th with a D-P  
victory. After a hard battle with Tony the last 4 or 5 laps, it was  
the 911 we were both trying to get around that finally gave me the  
pass him. Great stuff Tony! Hope I can make it to Hallett. Babcock's  
donated trans. did exactly what it was supposed to - lasted ONE race  
and was also popping out of gear towards the end.
I think it's hard for any of us to say with a straight face that  
Triumph's are the best cars, but no doubt in my mind that Triumph  
People are the best people around.
Hey Henry, Did I say THANKS? Perhaps I Could have done it without you  
but more importantly I Wouldn't have done it with out you setting me  
straight. As Connie told you, the trip home was much more pleasant  
than another outcome might have presented.
The trip home was exactly what we wanted... Hot tubs separated by  
short periods of driving.
What a blast. All the best to you all.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM

From klynch_6 at msn.com  Sat Sep 12 13:04:17 2009
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:04:17 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Albq. meets Portland
Message-ID: <BLU126-DS2D0A7D4977D7E8C04AF3BB7E60@phx.gbl>

In from yard work & just now finished the 'Lunkerlore Trilogy'.
What a supporting cast & nice save Henry!

I love a 'going down swingin' ending...

'bueno' Greg, regards to Connie.

Kevin

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sat Sep 12 13:42:39 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:42:39 EDT
Subject: [Fot] 3.89 CWP's
Message-ID: <cfc.61409651.37dd53af@aol.com>

Amici, anybody have a good source for diffs or components for the small  
chassis cars?  I need 3.89 CWP's as well as 3.65 and 4.11.  There are  just 
none left in Vegas!
 
I'll be hittin' up the Brits pretty soon too!
 
Steve

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sat Sep 12 14:11:36 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:11:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
Message-ID: <9E40DDCA1C83483CAE111819184B986B@hal9000>

FoT/ FYI,

The copper figure 8's that would come with the standard gasket set are .006
thicker 

than the shim steel gaskets. I was just about to fit the cylinder head when
I thought

I'd give it a check. Sure enough, way too high.

I almost took it for granted as on the last build I had the block decked and
the liners

machined to exactly .004 proud. Wish I would have had that same thought
before I 

put the pistons in but disaster averted nevertheless.

It's likely many of you already knew this but it's new to me.

 

Jim G

From horizonracing at msn.com  Sat Sep 12 16:19:38 2009
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:19:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
In-Reply-To: <9E40DDCA1C83483CAE111819184B986B@hal9000>
References: <9E40DDCA1C83483CAE111819184B986B@hal9000>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W2917007D570A7442758C25B2E60@phx.gbl>

If you were to torque the head down.......then remove it......won't the copper
crush? were as the steel gaskets stay "about" the same.

> From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:11:36 -0600
> Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
>
> FoT/ FYI,
>
> The copper figure 8's that would come with the standard gasket set are .006
> thicker
>
> than the shim steel gaskets. I was just about to fit the cylinder head when
> I thought
>
> I'd give it a check. Sure enough, way too high.
>
> I almost took it for granted as on the last build I had the block decked
and
> the liners
>
> machined to exactly .004 proud. Wish I would have had that same thought
> before I
>
> put the pistons in but disaster averted nevertheless.
>
> It's likely many of you already knew this but it's new to me.
>
>
>
> Jim G
>
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sat Sep 12 17:05:26 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 19:05:26 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
Message-ID: <cb7.597ad777.37dd8336@aol.com>

Bearing in mind that I don't build TR4 motors...
 
I thought the extra height was an advantage sorely needed by the racing  
community?  
 
 
In a message dated 9/12/2009 3:20:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
horizonracing at msn.com writes:

If you  were to torque the head down.......then remove it......won't the  
copper
crush? were as the steel gaskets stay "about" the same.

>  From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date:  Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:11:36 -0600
> Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure  eight gaskets
>
> FoT/ FYI,
>
> The copper figure 8's  that would come with the standard gasket set are 
.006
>  thicker
>
> than the shim steel gaskets. I was just about to fit  the cylinder head 
when
> I thought
>
> I'd give it a check.  Sure enough, way too high.
>
> I almost took it for granted as on  the last build I had the block decked
and
> the  liners
>
> machined to exactly .004 proud. Wish I would have had  that same thought
> before I
>
> put the pistons in but  disaster averted nevertheless.
>
> It's likely many of you already  knew this but it's new to me.
>
>
>
> Jim  G
>
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From gasket.works at verizon.net  Sat Sep 12 18:08:53 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:08:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
References: <9E40DDCA1C83483CAE111819184B986B@hal9000>
	<BLU136-W2917007D570A7442758C25B2E60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000b01ca3406$617b0220$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

You would never have enough clamping force on the liners to crush dead soft 
copper fig of 8's appreciably.  No, the liner gaskets need to be at the 
appropriate thickness to raise the liners to the proper height.  Naturally, 
this measurement needs to be done under some load.

What I do is meticulously clean the the block liner perch and ensure the 
liner pedestal is clean. -then fit the liner bare.  Measure the liner 
position relative to the deck.  I use a simple but straight edge and use a 
feeler gauge to get the clearance. Then make a determination as to the fig 
of "8" gasket needed to get the liner to .005" in my racing motor.  .003" is 
not enough (me thinks).   I make individual rings for each liner as needed. 
I can't believe that figure of 8 gaskets still exist.  I may have .012" on 
one liner and .014" on its neighbor.   Alternatively, I sometimes face off 
the liner on a lathe to clean it up and use thicker rings as needed.

For the purpose of a sealant on the bottom of the liner to the block... use 
a very thin coat of aviation gasket sealant, gascachinch, indian head 
shellac... or some thin goop. You don't need much.  At one time I used no 
goop at all.  I don't use yammabond, hylomar, silicone Rtv for this purpose 
they will raise the liner a bit.




Mordy

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sat Sep 12 19:24:21 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 19:24:21 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
Message-ID: <644BA52368834A148AFE52041E8DFCC9@hal9000>

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Gray [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net] 
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:24 PM
To: 'MORDY DUNST'
Subject: RE: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets

Mordy,
I agree about not being able to compress the copper..006 is a lot to
compress. I made a set of aluminum bars I cinch down on top of the liners
to simulate the head being in place so I measure liner protrusion under
pressure. My liners and deck height were sized for.004 with the steel
gaskets. I assemble things just as you do. 
I have the right figure 8's now and my liners settled down exactly where
they should be. I just don't think it's a good thing to offer gaskets in
different thicknesses without at least a note to the buyer.
It would have certainly resulted in a head gasket failure...again!

jg


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MORDY DUNST
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 6:09 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets

You would never have enough clamping force on the liners to crush dead soft 
copper fig of 8's appreciably.  No, the liner gaskets need to be at the 
appropriate thickness to raise the liners to the proper height.  Naturally, 
this measurement needs to be done under some load.

What I do is meticulously clean the the block liner perch and ensure the 
liner pedestal is clean. -then fit the liner bare.  Measure the liner 
position relative to the deck.  I use a simple but straight edge and use a 
feeler gauge to get the clearance. Then make a determination as to the fig 
of "8" gasket needed to get the liner to .005" in my racing motor.  .003" is

not enough (me thinks).   I make individual rings for each liner as needed. 
I can't believe that figure of 8 gaskets still exist.  I may have .012" on 
one liner and .014" on its neighbor.   Alternatively, I sometimes face off 
the liner on a lathe to clean it up and use thicker rings as needed.

For the purpose of a sealant on the bottom of the liner to the block... use 
a very thin coat of aviation gasket sealant, gascachinch, indian head 
shellac... or some thin goop. You don't need much.  At one time I used no 
goop at all.  I don't use yammabond, hylomar, silicone Rtv for this purpose 
they will raise the liner a bit.




Mordy
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Sep 12 19:28:23 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:28:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
Message-ID: <20090913012840.6A1AF187657@autox.team.net>

Who is going to Hallett with CVAR in October?  Anyone want to split a 
"garage" (canopy?) rental?

Thanks, Tony Drews

From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Sep 12 19:30:20 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:30:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Next race planning
Message-ID: <20090913013033.0DE40187657@autox.team.net>

Also, what hotel is favored for this event?

Thanks, Tony

>Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:28:23 -0500
>To: Amici Triumphi
>From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
>Subject: Next race planning
>
>Who is going to Hallett with CVAR in October?  Anyone want to split 
>a "garage" (canopy?) rental?
>
>Thanks, Tony Drews

From gasket.works at verizon.net  Sat Sep 12 20:06:21 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 19:06:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] clarification.... figure eight gaskets...
References: <9E40DDCA1C83483CAE111819184B986B@hal9000>
	<BLU136-W2917007D570A7442758C25B2E60@phx.gbl>
	<000b01ca3406$617b0220$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
Message-ID: <002301ca3416$ca355c60$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

Moss sells good parts and strives to make sure that buyers know what they 
are getting.

Just to be clear....  it is up to the installer and builder of the engine to 
know what they are getting into.   Most TR enthusiasts apart from our group 
may build an engine perhaps once in their carreers -mostly as a lark.

Just want to settle some issues.   It is upto the engine builder to have 
enough sense to measure the parts they are installing and to recognize 
problems before they occur.   Just purchasing parts off the shelf and 
assembling blindly is a surefire way of failure. Subtleties in assembly come 
with time and experience not, found in books.

Still learning....

Mordy

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Sep 12 22:05:14 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:05:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
References: <20090913012840.6A1AF187657@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <E52AFE828162487D869694F2D17E6206@latitudefb1e41>

I was planning on skipping Hallett this year but I'll reconsider if you are 
coming and split a canopy. Gary Fuqua usually comes to Hallett too.

I usually stay in Sand Springs at the Hampton, but if you are into economy 
inns the Boomtown Inn is OK.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:28 PM
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning


> Who is going to Hallett with CVAR in October?  Anyone want to split a 
> "garage" (canopy?) rental?
>
> Thanks, Tony Drews
>
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From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Sat Sep 12 23:50:20 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 01:50:20 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
Message-ID: <cdf.576e5102.37dde21c@aol.com>

OK, just to clarify a bit....Gary....That would be me....Has paid for both  
sides of the canopy for that last couple of years after Larry Young decided 
to  retire.  There have been a few occasions when some form of compensation 
was  not forth coming.  I also pay for space at TWS whether I use it or  
not.  Having blathered on about this if you are coming just let me know  when 
you plan to arrive and how many "Race" cars are coming so we can do some  
arranging.  There is ALWAYS room for one more  Triumph!!
 
Cheer, Gary

From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Sun Sep 13 09:59:26 2009
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 10:59:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <cdf.576e5102.37dde21c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000301ca348b$388836f0$6401a8c0@blake1>

Depending on the reliability of the Blake cars at TWS next weekend, we
may be there too.  Dad is sorting out a "new" car, from the pictures I
have seen this weekend it looks like he is putting the new head gasket
on today.  I'll be breaking in a(nother) motor at TWS next weekend.

It would be worth the trip just to see how Kramer gets two TR4s to OK.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 12:50 AM
To: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net; tony at tonydrews.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning

OK, just to clarify a bit....Gary....That would be me....Has paid for
both  
sides of the canopy for that last couple of years after Larry Young
decided 
to  retire.  There have been a few occasions when some form of
compensation 
was  not forth coming.  I also pay for space at TWS whether I use it or

not.  Having blathered on about this if you are coming just let me know
when 
you plan to arrive and how many "Race" cars are coming so we can do some

arranging.  There is ALWAYS room for one more  Triumph!!
 
Cheer, Gary
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun Sep 13 12:27:41 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:27:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
In-Reply-To: <000b01ca3406$617b0220$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
References: <9E40DDCA1C83483CAE111819184B986B@hal9000>
	<BLU136-W2917007D570A7442758C25B2E60@phx.gbl>
	<000b01ca3406$617b0220$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
Message-ID: <4AAD399D.2040804@pobox.com>

I don't know how anyone ever gets by using the gaskets that come with a 
rebuild kit.  I've never found them to produce the correct height.  I've 
always done it similar to Mordy's approach.  Mordy will make the gaskets 
for anyone, but that involves the (snail) mailman in a trial and error 
operation.  I found a simple way to make my own gaskets.  I usually make 
a bunch at a time in a variety of thicknesses.  The method is posted at 
the bottom of Tony's "uncle jacks engine building tips", 
www.tonydrews.com.  In a pinch, I have also cut down my liners on a belt 
sander.  This works, but you have to be careful to keep them straight.  
As you remove material, frequently measure the liner height with 
calipers at different positions around the liner.

Larry

MORDY DUNST wrote:
> You would never have enough clamping force on the liners to crush dead 
> soft copper fig of 8's appreciably.  No, the liner gaskets need to be 
> at the appropriate thickness to raise the liners to the proper 
> height.  Naturally, this measurement needs to be done under some load.
>
> What I do is meticulously clean the the block liner perch and ensure 
> the liner pedestal is clean. -then fit the liner bare.  Measure the 
> liner position relative to the deck.  I use a simple but straight edge 
> and use a feeler gauge to get the clearance. Then make a determination 
> as to the fig of "8" gasket needed to get the liner to .005" in my 
> racing motor.  .003" is not enough (me thinks).   I make individual 
> rings for each liner as needed. I can't believe that figure of 8 
> gaskets still exist.  I may have .012" on one liner and .014" on its 
> neighbor.   Alternatively, I sometimes face off the liner on a lathe 
> to clean it up and use thicker rings as needed.
>
> For the purpose of a sealant on the bottom of the liner to the 
> block... use a very thin coat of aviation gasket sealant, gascachinch, 
> indian head shellac... or some thin goop. You don't need much.  At one 
> time I used no goop at all.  I don't use yammabond, hylomar, silicone 
> Rtv for this purpose they will raise the liner a bit.
>
>
>
>
> Mordy
>
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From kaskas at cox.net  Sun Sep 13 13:02:03 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 12:02:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
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To shorten a sleeve and you do not have a lathe to do the job square, try 
lapping on a sheet of 180 grit wet and dry paper on a sheet of glass. Use 
water on the paper as a lapping  liquid. Old car window or piece from a 
plate glass house (have them smooth the edges). Turn the sleeve in your hand 
as you lap so no one side is favored. Works pretty well when you only need 
couple or so thou's.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
To: "MORDY DUNST" <gasket.works at verizon.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets


>I don't know how anyone ever gets by using the gaskets that come with a
> rebuild kit.  I've never found them to produce the correct height.  I've
> always done it similar to Mordy's approach.  Mordy will make the gaskets
> for anyone, but that involves the (snail) mailman in a trial and error
> operation.  I found a simple way to make my own gaskets.  I usually make
> a bunch at a time in a variety of thicknesses.  The method is posted at
> the bottom of Tony's "uncle jacks engine building tips",
> www.tonydrews.com.  In a pinch, I have also cut down my liners on a belt
> sander.  This works, but you have to be careful to keep them straight.
> As you remove material, frequently measure the liner height with
> calipers at different positions around the liner.
>
> Larry
>
> MORDY DUNST wrote:
>> You would never have enough clamping force on the liners to crush dead
>> soft copper fig of 8's appreciably.  No, the liner gaskets need to be
>> at the appropriate thickness to raise the liners to the proper
>> height.  Naturally, this measurement needs to be done under some load.
>>
>> What I do is meticulously clean the the block liner perch and ensure
>> the liner pedestal is clean. -then fit the liner bare.  Measure the
>> liner position relative to the deck.  I use a simple but straight edge
>> and use a feeler gauge to get the clearance. Then make a determination
>> as to the fig of "8" gasket needed to get the liner to .005" in my
>> racing motor.  .003" is not enough (me thinks).   I make individual
>> rings for each liner as needed. I can't believe that figure of 8
>> gaskets still exist.  I may have .012" on one liner and .014" on its
>> neighbor.   Alternatively, I sometimes face off the liner on a lathe
>> to clean it up and use thicker rings as needed.
>>
>> For the purpose of a sealant on the bottom of the liner to the
>> block... use a very thin coat of aviation gasket sealant, gascachinch,
>> indian head shellac... or some thin goop. You don't need much.  At one
>> time I used no goop at all.  I don't use yammabond, hylomar, silicone
>> Rtv for this purpose they will raise the liner a bit.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mordy
>>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Sep 13 13:37:09 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:37:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
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Kas Kastner wrote:
> To shorten a sleeve and you do not have a lathe to do the job square, 
> try lapping on a sheet of 180 grit wet and dry paper on a sheet of glass.
Hmmm, I thought I had saved a link to a Youtube video of some Swedish
fellows doing a, uh, precision lapping job on a SAAB head.  I know I have
it here somewhere...

mjb.

From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sun Sep 13 13:45:38 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:45:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
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I'm still on the fence but leaning strongly towards making it. Should  
know in the next week or so.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Sep 13, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:

> Depending on the reliability of the Blake cars at TWS next weekend, we
> may be there too.  Dad is sorting out a "new" car, from the pictures I
> have seen this weekend it looks like he is putting the new head gasket
> on today.  I'll be breaking in a(nother) motor at TWS next weekend.
>
> It would be worth the trip just to see how Kramer gets two TR4s to OK.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 12:50 AM
> To: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net; tony at tonydrews.com
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
> OK, just to clarify a bit....Gary....That would be me....Has paid for
> both
> sides of the canopy for that last couple of years after Larry Young
> decided
> to  retire.  There have been a few occasions when some form of
> compensation
> was  not forth coming.  I also pay for space at TWS whether I use  
> it or
>
> not.  Having blathered on about this if you are coming just let me  
> know
> when
> you plan to arrive and how many "Race" cars are coming so we can do  
> some
>
> arranging.  There is ALWAYS room for one more  Triumph!!
>
> Cheer, Gary
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Sep 13 14:43:24 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:43:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
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> Hmmm, I thought I had saved a link to a Youtube video of some Swedish
> fellows doing a, uh, precision lapping job on a SAAB head.  

Y'know, everybody laughs at that video; but I did much the same thing to a
VW Rabbit many years ago and it worked out great.

Car was given to me with the headgasket blown between #2 & #3; and some
erosion in the head surface from being driven that way.  I cleaned it up by
hand until my carpenter's square said it was flat; total investment in the
car was some spare time and $20 for a head gasket.  Some 10 years and maybe
60,000 miles later, my stepson finished school and sold the car, still
running pretty good considering how many miles were on it.  Only other
engine work was to change the timing belt in the parking lot where it broke.

Randall

From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Sun Sep 13 15:56:14 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:56:14 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
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Sounds like fun to me!!  See everyone there. 

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sun Sep 13 18:25:41 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:25:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
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Fortunately for me the college student driver of car no. 2 er, no. 67, is 
unlikely to be able to make the trip. I have a plan for him to get his 
license with 4 events all at TWS. After that he should be employed and we'll 
come up with a new plan.

----- Original Message ----- 
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"'Robert Blake'" <rblake36 at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 10:59 AM
Subject: RE: [Fot] Next race planning


> Depending on the reliability of the Blake cars at TWS next weekend, we
> may be there too.  Dad is sorting out a "new" car, from the pictures I
> have seen this weekend it looks like he is putting the new head gasket
> on today.  I'll be breaking in a(nother) motor at TWS next weekend.
>
> It would be worth the trip just to see how Kramer gets two TR4s to OK.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 12:50 AM
> To: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net; tony at tonydrews.com
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
> OK, just to clarify a bit....Gary....That would be me....Has paid for
> both
> sides of the canopy for that last couple of years after Larry Young
> decided
> to  retire.  There have been a few occasions when some form of
> compensation
> was  not forth coming.  I also pay for space at TWS whether I use it or
>
> not.  Having blathered on about this if you are coming just let me know
> when
> you plan to arrive and how many "Race" cars are coming so we can do some
>
> arranging.  There is ALWAYS room for one more  Triumph!!
>
> Cheer, Gary
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From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net  Sun Sep 13 22:53:47 2009
From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:53:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
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Dennis DeLap wrote:
> Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.
> 
> Any tips?
> Thanks
> Dennis DeLap
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Amici,
    When you build a Lincoln locker (welded) it is a good idea to weld 
in sheet metal plates on both sides of the diff to contain welds and or 
spider gears if they crack. It will save the R&P and it cuts down on oil 
windage.
Greg

From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Sep 14 00:23:14 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:23:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] One more view part 3
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Friends,
I've been watching all the emails about CRC and I now I have time and can 
reply.  As some of you know I made a couple of holes in my TR6 block when 
the #3 rod broke on Sunday.  Seems that the piston had kissed the head and 
the rod must have gotten fractured.  Anyway I rebuilt another race motor and 
got it installed this evening.

One of the things so great about this group is the positive attitude about 
these cars.  After reading how easy Henry and Greg made it sound to install 
a transmission, I went in with a positive attitude and had it installed in 
less than 5 minutes, by myself.  I usually can expect a half an hour battle.

Anyway I just wanted to say how good it was to meet all the FoTers and 
especially Kas.  I have to believe that the CRC Kas Cup ( or maybe just the 
Kasner Cup) has to be one of the largest casual gatherings of single marquee 
racecars in the USA.  Maybe I exagerate  little, but it sure was fun.

Well anyway I have my motor back in and just need to pump up the oil 
pressure, start it and get it ready for this weekends race.

Good to meet all you FoTers!

Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44 

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Sep 14 02:06:59 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:06:59 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
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We have welded the whole thing together and made the cage quite hot before
welding.
Make sure that the gears that hold the axle shaft are press fit and flush
with the cage or they will wear out the half shafts if they wobble.



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My experience is similar.   We first tried welding gears together,
but the welds cracked and made some debris.   Then we
just filled enough low spots to minimize rotation.  still
had a little debris from drain to drain.  Never harmed bearings
or seals.

art de armond

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee


> Dennis,
> How about TIG weld filling some of the spider gear teeth, preventing them
> rotating and effectively locking the unit. If needed, you can refit
> standard spider gears to return original function. Uses a lot less energy
> to accomplish, as well. There are some applications available (not TR)
> that you can buy spider gears that have not had all their teeth machined.
> There is a little backlash slop going this way but I've never had the
> opportunity to verify what, if anything is getting beaten up by that
> slop, or if it is protective of other parts.
> Bill
>
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Dennis DeLap
> <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net> writes:
>> Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.
>>
>> Any tips?
>> Thanks
>> Dennis DeLap
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon Sep 14 07:03:10 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:03:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning - Hallett
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Now that would be fun to see Kramer, Hilyer and Drews on the track 
together again.  I've got a new camera with high definition video 
capability.  If I can learn how to use the damn thing, I'll be in charge 
of photos and video.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer wrote:
> I'm still on the fence but leaning strongly towards making it. Should 
> know in the next week or so.
>
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
> On Sep 13, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:
>
>> Depending on the reliability of the Blake cars at TWS next weekend, we
>> may be there too.  Dad is sorting out a "new" car, from the pictures I
>> have seen this weekend it looks like he is putting the new head gasket
>> on today.  I'll be breaking in a(nother) motor at TWS next weekend.
>>
>> It would be worth the trip just to see how Kramer gets two TR4s to OK.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com
>> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 12:50 AM
>> To: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net; tony at tonydrews.com
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>>
>> OK, just to clarify a bit....Gary....That would be me....Has paid for
>> both
>> sides of the canopy for that last couple of years after Larry Young
>> decided
>> to  retire.  There have been a few occasions when some form of
>> compensation
>> was  not forth coming.  I also pay for space at TWS whether I use it or
>>
>> not.  Having blathered on about this if you are coming just let me know
>> when
>> you plan to arrive and how many "Race" cars are coming so we can do some
>>
>> arranging.  There is ALWAYS room for one more  Triumph!!
>>
>> Cheer, Gary
>> You are subscribed as ablake2 at austin.rr.com
>>
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Mon Sep 14 08:26:04 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:26:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen
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Hi all, I did the Vintage GP at the Glen over the weekend.
Most of the Triumph folks must have been returning from out west as there was
a shortage of TRs.
Dick Stockton was there with his very nice black rocket. Tim Suddard also had
his car there but I don't know if he ran it; too much going on to see
everything.
I did the re-enactment Friday evening. The event itself had some shakey
weather, but wasn't bad. The trip back to the track was miserable; moonsoonal
rains, cold, dark and ugly. Couldn't see a thing. We had a blast!  Andre
wasn't there so I had another felow fill in!
Saturday was ok and Sunday was nice. Quite a crowd of spectators and some nice
street Triumphs and other intereresting cars. There was an auction with some
nice machinery but I didn't attend and don't know how many sold and at what
prices. My favorite was a '68 Charger RT, red, gorgeous. OK, it's not British,
but I used to work on them. Nice car.
My 6 ran well for a stock engine that's geting tired. I had fun. I've knocked
10 seconds off my lap times with the same car and engine and am not getting
lapped all the time! Progress and seat time. If I had 15 more HP, I would have
beaten that pesky Morgan and that darned Bathtub Porsche!
Morgan and MG were the featured cars this year and there were many Morgans
there, all shapes and sizes. Some seemed to be missing the 4th wheel; those
guys have more nerve than I do!
There's a VRG race at the Glen in early Oct that I plan on attending. It's a
fun, rather low key event. The VRG guys also put on the PVGP event and others.
Nice bunch.

Later, Bill

From andre at gt6.ca  Mon Sep 14 09:52:02 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:52:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen
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Hi Bill yes I was thinking about the run all weekend.

I wish I could have done the Glen this year, but I'm being a good
husband and sucking up to my wife for next year's vintage racing
launch.
(Got some wrenching time in on the car too.)

Some good memories from last year. I'll credit that run I had in the
re-enactment for spurring on my desire to race.

Maybe next year I'll return as a spectator or if the money tree blooms a
racer.

A.

2009/9/14 WILLIAM TOBIN <william.tobin3 at verizon.net>:
> Hi all, I did the Vintage GP at the Glen over the weekend.
> Most of the Triumph folks must have been returning from out west as there
was
> a shortage of TRs.
> Dick Stockton was there with his very nice black rocket. Tim Suddard also
had
> his car there but I don't know if he ran it; too much going on to see
> everything.
> I did the re-enactment Friday evening. The event itself had some shakey
> weather, but wasn't bad. The trip back to the track was miserable;
moonsoonal
> rains, cold, dark and ugly. Couldn't see a thing. We had a blast!  Andre
> wasn't there so I had another felow fill in!
> Saturday was ok and Sunday was nice. Quite a crowd of spectators and some
nice
> street Triumphs and other intereresting cars. There was an auction with
some
> nice machinery but I didn't attend and don't know how many sold and at what
> prices. My favorite was a '68 Charger RT, red, gorgeous. OK, it's not
British,
> but I used to work on them. Nice car.
> My 6 ran well for a stock engine that's geting tired. I had fun. I've
knocked
> 10 seconds off my lap times with the same car and engine and am not getting
> lapped all the time! Progress and seat time. If I had 15 more HP, I would
have
> beaten that pesky Morgan and that darned Bathtub Porsche!
> Morgan and MG were the featured cars this year and there were many Morgans
> there, all shapes and sizes. Some seemed to be missing the 4th wheel; those
> guys have more nerve than I do!
> There's a VRG race at the Glen in early Oct that I plan on attending. It's
a
> fun, rather low key event. The VRG guys also put on the PVGP event and
others.
> Nice bunch.
>
> Later, Bill
>
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 11:18:25 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:18:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Watkins Glen Race Report part 1
Message-ID: <673993c50909141018i5517179j8ed703791206ea12@mail.gmail.com>

The weather gods werent kind to those who decided to come to the Glen this
year, with rain all day Friday and Saturday morning. Fortunately, there was
dry track for Saturday afternoons qualifying races and sunshine for
Sundays feature races.



This past weekend had a disappointing turnout of Triumphs, especially after
last year. The few Triumphs that did show up did very well. In Group 1, the
black Spitfire of Pat Ryan won Group 1 overall on Sunday and was running
some very fast laps.



FOTer Jeff Snook was there with his very pretty Lotus Eleven and was looking
good as always.



Dick Stocktons 63 TR4 and Bill Tobins 70 TR6 were the only big Triumphs
entered in what had to be one of the most competitive Group 3 fields that
Ive seen at the Glen.



Bill Tobin looked great in his TR6 and looked to be enjoying himself as
usual.


Dick Stockton had a dramatic weekend that started by qualifying 3rd overall
in the rain, just a few tenths off of Dick Tillingers Datsun roadster and
Bill Thumels trick Elva Courier. However, during the pace lap for the
Saturday qualifying race, some electrical gremlins cropped up and his car
lost power. He was able to get it refired, but not before falling to the
back and having to start in 35th place. In a yellow shortened race (4 green
laps), Dick was able to work his way up to 7th overall just behind the
incredibly quick Yenko Stinger of Logan Dernoshek.

From adams910 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 11:23:02 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:23:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Watkins Glen Race Report Part 2
Message-ID: <673993c50909141023h451286bg8576d8e8dadadcd5@mail.gmail.com>

For the Sunday feature race, Dick took his spot in the 7th position. With
one minute to go, and everyones engines running, a SVRA official conducted
an investigation that resulted in Dick being penalized for passing under
yellow, moving him back to 15th place. While no one was happy with the
decision, Dick took his spot and was determined to quickly move through the
pack. At the green flag, Dick took off and had made up 8 positions by the
end of the 2nd lap. He then ran down the lead pack of cars of Dick Tillinger
(2L Datsun Roadster), Butch Mckenzie (MGB (ex Dave Headley car)), Bob
Colaizzi (Super 7), Logan Dernoshek (Yenko Stinger), Jim Froula (Datsun
Bluebird), and Bill Thumel (x-flow Elva Courier).. all of whom were running
nose to tail. Stockton hooked onto Tillingers bumper and both got by the
Stinger and were in hot pursuit of Mckenzie, Colaizzi, and Froula. Thumel,
who was leading at the time pulled off the track on lap 3 with an apparent
mechanical issue, which left a 5 car train to battle it out for the win. On
lap four Stockton and Tillinger both had a great run out of T1 and drafted
up onto Mckenzie and Colaizzi.. Tillinger went left and Stockton went right,
splitting the MGB and Super 7, with both drivers making hero passes on
Mckenzie and Colaizzi at the entrance of the bus stop. The running order was
now Froula (1st), Tillinger (2nd), Stockton (3rd), Mckenzie (4th), and
Colaizzi (5th). For the next two laps Stockton, Mckenzie and Colaizzi
swapped positions on almost every corner (I dont think you could have
slipped a paper between them), while a car length or two in front, Tillinger
was trying to find a way past Froula who had burned off his tires. Froula
eventually started falling through the pack. Stockton lost momentum getting
by Froula found himself in 4th place at the finish, just a few car lengths
behind Mckenzie (3rd), Colaizzi (2nd) and Tillinger (1st). Stocktons fast
lap was a 2.20.8 (in traffic).

While we could have done without the rain and all the drama, it was a pretty
successful weekend. Hopefully we'll be seeing more Triumphs at the SVRA NJMP
event in two weeks.

Bob

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Sep 14 14:16:47 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:16:47 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <20090913012840.6A1AF187657@autox.team.net>
References: <20090913012840.6A1AF187657@autox.team.net>
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Question:
If I read Tony's question I get the idea that FOT is not a racing group that
is organizing races together?
More like individuals that sometimes share the same race by accident?
How are US races are organized?
Do you have sign on to every single race or is there a championship where
all the Triumph racers take part?

We in Germany doing the "Triumph-Competition".
This group organize the slots at the races events, collection the fees for
the races, the organize dinners, sponsors, the parking in the paddock and so
on.
Is this comparable to USA?

Cheers
Chris



-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Tony Drews
Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. September 2009 03:28
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Next race planning

Who is going to Hallett with CVAR in October?  Anyone want to split a
"garage" (canopy?) rental?

Thanks, Tony Drews
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Sep 14 15:29:37 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:29:37 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
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I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country. Would
be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in the
Mongolia and we might never meet.



-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net]
Gesendet: Montag, 14. September 2009 23:13
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning

What you do in Germany is much the same as the dozen or so clubs in the USA
do.  Dinners, races and friends.  The Triumph groups though do not put on
races.  There are probably 20 different groups in the country that sanction
(insurance) and promote an event.  The clubs of drivers never does this.
They may be part, but not the sanctioning body.The FOT is just single people

that talk about what they are doing,  not a elected group, no voting, no
dues, no officers, no elections except for the second to become a member.
Remember this country is 3000 miles wide and 2500 miles deep. The race this
time in Portland, Oregon was put on by their local group which runs races in

that area of Washington-Oregon. Look on the map and check out the square
miles in just those two states. My trip up there was 1,228 miles, one way.
----- Original Message -----
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning


> Question:
> If I read Tony's question I get the idea that FOT is not a racing group
> that
> is organizing races together?
> More like individuals that sometimes share the same race by accident?
> How are US races are organized?
> Do you have sign on to every single race or is there a championship where
> all the Triumph racers take part?
>
> We in Germany doing the "Triumph-Competition".
> This group organize the slots at the races events, collection the fees for
> the races, the organize dinners, sponsors, the parking in the paddock and
> so
> on.
> Is this comparable to USA?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Tony Drews
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. September 2009 03:28
> An: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: [Fot] Next race planning
>
> Who is going to Hallett with CVAR in October?  Anyone want to split a
> "garage" (canopy?) rental?
>
> Thanks, Tony Drews
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Sep 14 16:14:23 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:14:23 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort race
In-Reply-To: <49BE0BD305FE4534A8794D2A1D7FB0B5@KasPC>
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Hi @ all,

here is the newest video taken from my car.
It was a wet race. I'm terribly sorry that sometimes the auto focus liked
the rain drops more than the track but I hope it is fun to watch.

http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5381443852892581074


I had a little trouble before that race #2 you see in that video. At race #1
the right caliper blocked the wheel and in the paddock the axle bearing
grease left the housing, was running over the hot brake disk and started
burning a little. With a paper handkerchief the fire was stopped and only
smoke is left behind.

At the last lap I overtook at a yellow flagged area and got a 20 second
penalty which sat me from position 10 to 15. I'm angry about my mistake
because with that overtaking I had nothing to win, the TR6 is in a higher
class. But if you are close to another car on a wet track a yellow flag is
hard to see.

Cheers
Chris

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Sep 14 16:21:40 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:21:40 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
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I would like to but the air transport of the race car is out of my current
budget.

But Id like to thank you for your nice welcome to USA.

Cheers
Chris

Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 00:07
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning

Just so Amigo, That's why we make so much effort to contact, converse and
meet our like minded friends.  That often involves 1000 mile plus tows but
when you sit around the pits on an evening sharing storiesd and adult
beverages it all seems worth it!

If you were to plan a Holiday in the US to coincide with any race meet you
can trust the Triumph folk would make you welcome!

In a message dated 9/14/2009 2:43:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country. Would
be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in the
Mongolia and we might never meet.

From billb at bnj.com  Fri Sep 11 21:09:45 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:09:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 4 speed tranny tail piece
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I have a lot of transmissiion junk I don't need Chuck. Too bad you  
didn't say something last weekend, you could have browsed through the  
stuff and taken what you needed. I'd pick some stuff out for you but  
I'm not sure what is which.
On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:06 PM, Chuck Arnold wrote:

> Does anybody have a tail peice left over from converting a 4 speed
> TR4-6 tranny to overdrive?  Could use one,and though I got one last
> year, I could use the 4 speed main shaft also.  IF so, let me know
> your price.  I am in Seattle for shipping cost purposes [zip 98109]
> Thanks
> -- 
> Chuck Arnold
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From billb at bnj.com  Fri Sep 11 21:12:50 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:12:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
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Use lots. I did this once and baqsically fused everything.
On Sep 10, 2009, at 8:38 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote:

> Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.
>
> Any tips?
> Thanks
> Dennis DeLap
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon Sep 14 17:46:47 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:46:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <000e01ca3582$7aa58950$6ff09bf0$@com>
References: <20090913012840.6A1AF187657@autox.team.net>
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Chris,
I used to visit Europe frequently and lived in Norway for 1 1/2 years.  
The distances involved are what makes everything different here.  We try 
to have these focus events to bring everyone together, but the distances 
are always a problem and limit attendance.  For vintage racing, all the 
organizations are regionally based.  There is VARA in California, VSCDA 
in the Midwest, CVAR for Texas/Oklahoma, RMVR in Colorado, and many 
others.  Luckily, most of them have similar rules, but some are more lax 
about modern parts than others.

If you've never been over here, you ought to come.  If you plan it 
around some races with FoT participation, I'm sure you will feel welcome.

MadMarx wrote:
> I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country. Would
> be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in the
> Mongolia and we might never meet.

From billb at bnj.com  Mon Sep 14 18:29:23 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:29:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <000901ca3578$4b031000$e1093000$@com>
References: <20090913012840.6A1AF187657@autox.team.net>
	<000901ca3578$4b031000$e1093000$@com>
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When I did my All Aluminum tour I did 15 races around the US and  
Canada. It took 20 000 miles of driving to do that.
On Sep 14, 2009, at 1:16 PM, MadMarx wrote:

> Question:
> If I read Tony's question I get the idea that FOT is not a racing  
> group that
> is organizing races together?
> More like individuals that sometimes share the same race by accident?
> How are US races are organized?
> Do you have sign on to every single race or is there a championship  
> where
> all the Triumph racers take part?
>
> We in Germany doing the "Triumph-Competition".
> This group organize the slots at the races events, collection the  
> fees for
> the races, the organize dinners, sponsors, the parking in the  
> paddock and so
> on.
> Is this comparable to USA?
>
> Cheers
> Chris

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Sep 14 18:55:05 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:55:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
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Christian,



Think of coming over in terms of 2012....with or without your car.? 



60th ANNIVERSARY OF TRIUMPH CARS IN COMPETITION.



Joe Alexander


-----Original Message-----
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To: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning



Chris,?
I used to visit Europe frequently and lived in Norway for 1 1/2 years. The distances involved are what makes everything different here. We try to have these focus events to bring everyone together, but the distances are always a problem and limit attendance. For vintage racing, all the organizations are regionally based. There is VARA in California, VSCDA in the Midwest, CVAR for Texas/Oklahoma, RMVR in Colorado, and many others. Luckily, most of them have similar rules, but some are more lax about modern parts than others.?
?
If you've never been over here, you ought to come. If you plan it around some races with FoT participation, I'm sure you will feel welcome.?
?
MadMarx wrote:?
> I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country. Would?
> be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in the?
> Mongolia and we might never meet.?
?
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Mon Sep 14 19:20:50 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:20:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Watkins Glen Race Report part 1
References: <673993c50909141018i5517179j8ed703791206ea12@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <023001ca35a2$c3465160$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Thanks Bob, I had a blast.
  I've knocked 10 seconds off last years times with no almost changes in the
car....seat time sure helps. Only the top 5 or 6 guys lapped me; it used to
be the whole field!
  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: "Bob Adams" <adams910 at gmail.com>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:18 PM
  Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Watkins Glen Race Report part 1


  > The weather gods werent kind to those who decided to come to the Glen
this
  > year, with rain all day Friday and Saturday morning. Fortunately, there
was
  > dry track for Saturday afternoons qualifying races and sunshine for
  > Sundays feature races.
  >
  >
  >
  > This past weekend had a disappointing turnout of Triumphs, especially
after
  > last year. The few Triumphs that did show up did very well. In Group 1,
the
  > black Spitfire of Pat Ryan won Group 1 overall on Sunday and was running
  > some very fast laps.
  >
  >
  >
  > FOTer Jeff Snook was there with his very pretty Lotus Eleven and was
looking
  > good as always.
  >
  >
  >
  > Dick Stocktons 63 TR4 and Bill Tobins 70 TR6 were the only big
Triumphs
  > entered in what had to be one of the most competitive Group 3 fields
that
  > Ive seen at the Glen.
  >
  >
  >
  > Bill Tobin looked great in his TR6 and looked to be enjoying himself as
  > usual.
  >
  >
  > Dick Stockton had a dramatic weekend that started by qualifying 3rd
overall
  > in the rain, just a few tenths off of Dick Tillingers Datsun roadster
and
  > Bill Thumels trick Elva Courier. However, during the pace lap for the
  > Saturday qualifying race, some electrical gremlins cropped up and his
car
  > lost power. He was able to get it refired, but not before falling to the
  > back and having to start in 35th place. In a yellow shortened race (4
green
  > laps), Dick was able to work his way up to 7th overall just behind the
  > incredibly quick Yenko Stinger of Logan Dernoshek.
  >
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 19:30:40 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:30:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Watkins Glen Race Report Part 2
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Bill,
I believe Dick's Datsun is an old Bob Sharp car. Neat car and brutally
fast.

That Stinger is neat. It looks like a real handful of a car in the corners,
but the driver was doing an awesome job with it (I believe he is an ASA/Pro
Hooters Cup competitor). It was right with the lead pack and then dropped
way back at the end (spun?).

The MGB is a car you've all seen before (remember that ridiculously fast
yellow one from the Mitty in '05? Burt Levy also drove it in the same issue
as George Wright's car). That thing is on rails.

Bummer to hear about the Elva.. it's a very pretty car and very fast. Glad
to hear the driver wasn't harmed Here is an article on it.
http://britishracecar.com/BillThumel-Elva-Courier.htm
- everyone needs to install a driveshaft loop in their car regardless of
your level of prep.

And the Bluebird came out of nowhere. Very interesting car and surprisingly
quick. I believe it's from the Pacific Northwest. Bill Babcock, do you know
this car?


Bob

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Mon Sep 14 19:40:13 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:40:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
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.....and there is often the occasion to put a guest driver in a car for an 
enduro, or a practice, or you may find someone and some organization that 
allows one car-two driver registration. We can pull that off in CVAR by 
talking the Group 2 guys into allowing a well behaved DP Triumph to rqace in 
Group 2 with the EP MGB's. I don't know what the rules we will be running 
under for the 2010 FOT feature at Heartland Par, but I think there is a good 
chance 2 driver cars would be allowed.
if you'd like to come on over let us know and we'll figure it out.

Bo Kramer
Austin, TX

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning


> Christian,
>
>
>
> Think of coming over in terms of 2012....with or without your car.?
>
>
>
> 60th ANNIVERSARY OF TRIUMPH CARS IN COMPETITION.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
> To: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:46 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
>
>
> Chris,?
> I used to visit Europe frequently and lived in Norway for 1 1/2 years. The 
> distances involved are what makes everything different here. We try to 
> have these focus events to bring everyone together, but the distances are 
> always a problem and limit attendance. For vintage racing, all the 
> organizations are regionally based. There is VARA in California, VSCDA in 
> the Midwest, CVAR for Texas/Oklahoma, RMVR in Colorado, and many others. 
> Luckily, most of them have similar rules, but some are more lax about 
> modern parts than others.?
> ?
> If you've never been over here, you ought to come. If you plan it around 
> some races with FoT participation, I'm sure you will feel welcome.?
> ?
> MadMarx wrote:?
>> I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country. 
>> Would?
>> be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in 
>> the?
>> Mongolia and we might never meet.?
> ?
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Sep 14 19:52:25 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:52:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <C2B968A85241411B91F547FD53F401BB@latitudefb1e41>
References: <20090913012840.6A1AF187657@autox.team.net><000901ca3578$4b031000$e1093000$@com><49BE0BD305FE4534A8794D2A1D7FB0B5@KasPC><000e01ca3582$7aa58950$6ff09bf0$@com><4AAED5E7.8060505@pobox.com>
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Heartland Park in 2010?would be a good choice, too. 



Note: Keith Files plans to enter his 'SEBRING TR4'.



We could host you in IOWA and you could travel with us to Heartland Park.



My two sons will be traveling and staying at the track.



August 2010



Joe Alexander?


-----Original Message-----
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To: cartravel at pobox.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 8:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning



.....and there is often the occasion to put a guest driver in a car for an enduro, or a practice, or you may find someone and some organization that allows one car-two driver registration. We can pull that off in CVAR by talking the Group 2 guys into allowing a well behaved DP Triumph to rqace in Group 2 with the EP MGB's. I don't know what the rules we will be running under for the 2010 FOT feature at Heartland Par, but I think there is a good chance 2 driver cars would be allowed.?
if you'd like to come on over let us know and we'll figure it out.?
?
Bo Kramer?
Austin, TX?
?
----- Original Message ----- From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>?
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Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>?
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:55 PM?
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning?
?
> Christian,?
>?
>?
>?
> Think of coming over in terms of 2012....with or without your car.??
>?
>?
>?
> 60th ANNIVERSARY OF TRIUMPH CARS IN COMPETITION.?
>?
>?
>?
> Joe Alexander?
>?
>?
> -----Original Message-----?
> From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>?
> To: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>?
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net?
> Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:46 pm?
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning?
>?
>?
>?
> Chris,??
> I used to visit Europe frequently and lived in Norway for 1 1/2 years. The > distances involved are what makes everything different here. We try to > have these focus events to bring everyone together, but the distances are > always a problem and limit attendance. For vintage racing, all the > organizations are regionally based. There is VARA in California, VSCDA in > the Midwest, CVAR for Texas/Oklahoma, RMVR in Colorado, and many others. > Luckily, most of them have similar rules, but some are more lax about > modern parts than others.??
> ??
> If you've never been over here, you ought to come. If you plan it around > some races with FoT participation, I'm sure you will feel welcome.??
> ??
> MadMarx wrote:??
>> I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country. >> Would??
>> be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in >> the??
>> Mongolia and we might never meet.??
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon Sep 14 20:01:04 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:01:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Watkins Glen Race Report Part 2
In-Reply-To: <673993c50909141830m1d553c22v8180462159453a3b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <673993c50909141023h451286bg8576d8e8dadadcd5@mail.gmail.com>
	<022901ca35a1$a6fa9fd0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
	<673993c50909141830m1d553c22v8180462159453a3b@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, that's Jim Froula. Very good driver and a fine mechanic/ 
fabricator. I think he also carried Cameron Healy's Pooper out to the  
Glen. The guy who built the body (Tippe Lippe I think) was looking  
forward to seeing the car again--he lives somewhere near Watkins Glen.  
I guess he's in pretty ill health so it was a typical Cameron thing  
for him to haul it back there--he's one of the good ones.


On Sep 14, 2009, at 6:30 PM, Bob Adams wrote:

> Bill,
> I believe Dick's Datsun is an old Bob Sharp car. Neat car and brutally
> fast.
>
> That Stinger is neat. It looks like a real handful of a car in the  
> corners,
> but the driver was doing an awesome job with it (I believe he is an  
> ASA/Pro
> Hooters Cup competitor). It was right with the lead pack and then  
> dropped
> way back at the end (spun?).
>
> The MGB is a car you've all seen before (remember that ridiculously  
> fast
> yellow one from the Mitty in '05? Burt Levy also drove it in the  
> same issue
> as George Wright's car). That thing is on rails.
>
> Bummer to hear about the Elva.. it's a very pretty car and very  
> fast. Glad
> to hear the driver wasn't harmed Here is an article on it.
> http://britishracecar.com/BillThumel-Elva-Courier.htm
> - everyone needs to install a driveshaft loop in their car  
> regardless of
> your level of prep.
>
> And the Bluebird came out of nowhere. Very interesting car and  
> surprisingly
> quick. I believe it's from the Pacific Northwest. Bill Babcock, do  
> you know
> this car?
>
>
> Bob
>
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From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Mon Sep 14 20:09:30 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:09:30 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
Message-ID: <c83.46b29dd2.37e0515a@aol.com>

I can answer the question about the Kastner Cup at Heartland Park, Topeka,  
Kansas in 2010.  It will effectively be very similar to CVAR.   There will 
likely be a few minor changes to accommodate some special cars and or  some 
minor differences between the various Regional Vintage Organizations.
 
Cheers,
 
Gary Fuqua
Heartland Vintage Racing
2010 Host for The Kastner Cup

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Sep 14 20:09:36 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:09:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Watkins Glen Race Report Part 2'''ELVA COURIER
In-Reply-To: <673993c50909141830m1d553c22v8180462159453a3b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <673993c50909141023h451286bg8576d8e8dadadcd5@mail.gmail.com><022901ca35a1$a6fa9fd0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
	<673993c50909141830m1d553c22v8180462159453a3b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CC03C0B55A3605-3EBC-91E2@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>

Several years ago I saw an ELVA COURIER perched precariously on two 55 gallon drums, side by side at the cockpit.



A year or so later, it had broken at the sills, with nose and tail pointing downward.



How Sad!

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com>
To: WILLIAM TOBIN <william.tobin3 at verizon.net>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 8:30 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] [FOT] Watkins Glen Race Report Part 2




Bill,
I believe Dick's Datsun is an old Bob Sharp car. Neat car and brutally
fast.

That Stinger is neat. It looks like a real handful of a car in the corners,
but the driver was doing an awesome job with it (I believe he is an ASA/Pro
Hooters Cup competitor). It was right with the lead pack and then dropped
way back at the end (spun?).

The MGB is a car you've all seen before (remember that ridiculously fast
yellow one from the Mitty in '05? Burt Levy also drove it in the same issue
as George Wright's car). That thing is on rails.

Bummer to hear about the Elva.. it's a very pretty car and very fast. Glad
to hear the driver wasn't harmed Here is an article on it.
http://britishracecar.com/BillThumel-Elva-Courier.htm
- everyone needs to install a driveshaft loop in their car regardless of
your level of prep.

And the Bluebird came out of nowhere. Very interesting car and surprisingly
quick. I believe it's from the Pacific Northwest. Bill Babcock, do you know
this car?


Bob
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Mon Sep 14 21:00:29 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:00:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <000901ca3578$4b031000$e1093000$@com>
Message-ID: <57FA767F3337491A83A9C8798ED6C4B1@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Chris

I think it is safe to say that the FOT is more of a "fortunate accident"
than an organization.  The only thing organized by the FOT is the Kastner
Cup race that moves around the country annually.

Road racing here in the US is split between Vintage or Historic Racing and
"championship" racing.  Vintage or Historic racing is run by numerous
groups, mostly regionally based.  There are no national rules and no
national championship.  Races are most often just for fun, without trophys
or any other awards.

"Championship" racing is for both current cars and older cars such as
Triumphs.  Nationally, these races are organized by the Sports Car Club of
America (SCCA).  There are also several other groups such as NASA and ICSCC
and others that conduct regional championships.  The SCCA runs local
championships and also National Points races that qualify one for the
National Championship Runoffs.  This is a single, week long race event held
in the fall of each year with 25 races for different classes of cars.

Racing in the US is different because of the distances and different
organizations involved.  I live in Oregon and my local track is about 25
miles from home.  We typically race there 8 weekends a year.  The next
closest track is around 200 miles away and after that it's more like 600.
The different organizations have different rules.  My car is acceptable to
some and not to others.  Sometimes the US can be a really confusing place,
but it's filled with good people and some darn fast Triumphs.

Jim Norlin



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:17 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning


Question:
If I read Tony's question I get the idea that FOT is not a racing group that
is organizing races together? More like individuals that sometimes share the
same race by accident? How are US races are organized? Do you have sign on
to every single race or is there a championship where all the Triumph racers
take part?

We in Germany doing the "Triumph-Competition".
This group organize the slots at the races events, collection the fees for
the races, the organize dinners, sponsors, the parking in the paddock and so
on. Is this comparable to USA?

Cheers
Chris



-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Tony Drews
Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. September 2009 03:28
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Next race planning

Who is going to Hallett with CVAR in October?  Anyone want to split a
"garage" (canopy?) rental?

Thanks, Tony Drews
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Thu Sep 17 20:55:23 2009
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:55:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] how not to pass
Message-ID: <156F6DC52CBD47B4B224EA9EB4BB0B57@INSPIRON>

Hello   if anyone is interested take a look at pix #34-36     Marrs labor day
09   pheno.smugmug.com   they show the SRF  roll bar worn  to almost
nothing,and razor sharp

From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Sep 14 21:51:19 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:51:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] how not to pass
In-Reply-To: <156F6DC52CBD47B4B224EA9EB4BB0B57@INSPIRON>
References: <156F6DC52CBD47B4B224EA9EB4BB0B57@INSPIRON>
Message-ID: <20090915035141.DC97918763F@autox.team.net>

Wow, that car is USED UP.  Roll bar did its job, though.

- Tony

At 09:55 PM 9/17/2009, Rob wrote:
>Hello   if anyone is interested take a look at pix #34-36     Marrs labor day
>09   pheno.smugmug.com   they show the SRF  roll bar worn  to almost
>nothing,and razor sharp

From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Sep 14 21:58:54 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:58:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] how not to pass
In-Reply-To: <156F6DC52CBD47B4B224EA9EB4BB0B57@INSPIRON>
References: <156F6DC52CBD47B4B224EA9EB4BB0B57@INSPIRON>
Message-ID: <5474D6A7B1BE4E0398AFF86A29A674E4@joepentiumnew>

Is that "Elizabeth Keller" indicated on the torn up body?  If so, is she
related to Helen Keller?

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:55 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] how not to pass

Hello   if anyone is interested take a look at pix #34-36     Marrs labor
day
09   pheno.smugmug.com   they show the SRF  roll bar worn  to almost
nothing,and razor sharp
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Sep 14 22:10:43 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:10:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <c83.46b29dd2.37e0515a@aol.com>
References: <c83.46b29dd2.37e0515a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4AAF13C3.50703@bradakis.com>

I better start planning now, maybe I can make it next year.  I'll try not
to come down with any disease or anything that might affect my plans.
We'll see if I have a Triumph of any sort that can make it that far by
next summer.

mjb.

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Sep 15 03:02:59 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:02:59 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <c1a.667e3d7c.37e03032@aol.com>
References: <c1a.667e3d7c.37e03032@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003701ca35e3$54653e50$fd2fbaf0$@com>

Would be a great idea to rent a race for an event!
Should be an event where Kas is present and maybe a nice track layout too.

Is a FIA int. C-license accepted in USA?

Cheers
Chris

Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 01:48
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning

No, not the race car silly.  Just you.  We can figure a way to get you into
a race car at one of our events ;-))

In a message dated 9/14/2009 3:44:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
I would like to but the air transport of the race car is out of my current
budget.

But Id like to thank you for your nice welcome to USA.

Cheers
Chris

Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 00:07
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning

Just so Amigo, That's why we make so much effort to contact, converse and
meet our like minded friends.  That often involves 1000 mile plus tows but
when you sit around the pits on an evening sharing storiesd and adult
beverages it all seems worth it!

If you were to plan a Holiday in the US to coincide with any race meet you
can trust the Triumph folk would make you welcome!

In a message dated 9/14/2009 2:43:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country. Would
be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in the
Mongolia and we might never meet.
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Sep 15 03:16:33 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:16:33 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <C2B968A85241411B91F547FD53F401BB@latitudefb1e41>
References: <20090913012840.6A1AF187657@autox.team.net><000901ca3578$4b031000$e1093000$@com><49BE0BD305FE4534A8794D2A1D7FB0B5@KasPC><000e01ca3582$7aa58950$6ff09bf0$@com><4AAED5E7.8060505@pobox.com>
	<8CC03B64C7B4BDF-3EBC-82AE@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
	<C2B968A85241411B91F547FD53F401BB@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <003c01ca35e5$399c2dc0$acd48940$@com>

What is DP and EP?

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Bob Kramer [mailto:rkramer3 at austin.rr.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 03:40
An: cartravel at pobox.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning

.....and there is often the occasion to put a guest driver in a car for an
enduro, or a practice, or you may find someone and some organization that
allows one car-two driver registration. We can pull that off in CVAR by
talking the Group 2 guys into allowing a well behaved DP Triumph to rqace in

Group 2 with the EP MGB's. I don't know what the rules we will be running
under for the 2010 FOT feature at Heartland Par, but I think there is a good

chance 2 driver cars would be allowed.
if you'd like to come on over let us know and we'll figure it out.

Bo Kramer
Austin, TX

----- Original Message -----
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <cartravel at pobox.com>; <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning


> Christian,
>
>
>
> Think of coming over in terms of 2012....with or without your car.?
>
>
>
> 60th ANNIVERSARY OF TRIUMPH CARS IN COMPETITION.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
> To: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:46 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
>
>
> Chris,?
> I used to visit Europe frequently and lived in Norway for 1 1/2 years. The

> distances involved are what makes everything different here. We try to
> have these focus events to bring everyone together, but the distances are
> always a problem and limit attendance. For vintage racing, all the
> organizations are regionally based. There is VARA in California, VSCDA in
> the Midwest, CVAR for Texas/Oklahoma, RMVR in Colorado, and many others.
> Luckily, most of them have similar rules, but some are more lax about
> modern parts than others.?
> ?
> If you've never been over here, you ought to come. If you plan it around
> some races with FoT participation, I'm sure you will feel welcome.?
> ?
> MadMarx wrote:?
>> I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country.
>> Would?
>> be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in
>> the?
>> Mongolia and we might never meet.?
> ?
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> ?
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Tue Sep 15 04:34:33 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 03:34:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] how not to pass
In-Reply-To: <5474D6A7B1BE4E0398AFF86A29A674E4@joepentiumnew>
References: <156F6DC52CBD47B4B224EA9EB4BB0B57@INSPIRON>
	<5474D6A7B1BE4E0398AFF86A29A674E4@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <652111.74933.qm@web80805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It looks like it is Elizabeth Miller, not keller. Check photo 33.
________________________________
From: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>
To: Rob
<19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009
11:58:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] how not to pass

Is that "Elizabeth Keller"
indicated on the torn up body?  If so, is she
related to Helen Keller?

Joe C.
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
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Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Thursday, September
17, 2009 7:55 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] how not to pass

Hello 
if anyone is interested take a look at pix #34-36    Marrs labor
day
09 
pheno.smugmug.com  they show the SRF  roll bar worn  to almost
nothing,and
razor sharp
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From andre at gt6.ca  Tue Sep 15 05:31:34 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:31:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] how not to pass
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Wow.

Better the bar then your helmet.

A.

2009/9/17 Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>:
> Hello   if anyone is interested take a look at pix #34-36     Marrs labor
day
> 09   pheno.smugmug.com   they show the SRF  roll bar worn  to almost
> nothing,and razor sharp
>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Sep 15 07:44:28 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:44:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <003c01ca35e5$399c2dc0$acd48940$@com>
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Those are the classes that our cars ran in during the 60's and 
70's.  It stands for D Production and E Production.  SCCA breaks the 
"Production" cars down into classes based on speed potential.  The 
fastest cars are in A Production and the slowest in H 
Production.  The TR-4 was in D Production and the TR-3 was in E 
Production originally.

- Tony

At 04:16 AM 9/15/2009, MadMarx wrote:
>What is DP and EP?
>
>Chris
>
>-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: Bob Kramer [mailto:rkramer3 at austin.rr.com]
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 03:40
>An: cartravel at pobox.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; n197tr4 at cs.com
>Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
>.....and there is often the occasion to put a guest driver in a car for an
>enduro, or a practice, or you may find someone and some organization that
>allows one car-two driver registration. We can pull that off in CVAR by
>talking the Group 2 guys into allowing a well behaved DP Triumph to rqace in
>
>Group 2 with the EP MGB's. I don't know what the rules we will be running
>under for the 2010 FOT feature at Heartland Par, but I think there is a good
>
>chance 2 driver cars would be allowed.
>if you'd like to come on over let us know and we'll figure it out.
>
>Bo Kramer
>Austin, TX
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
>To: <cartravel at pobox.com>; <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
>Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:55 PM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
>
> > Christian,
> >
> >
> >
> > Think of coming over in terms of 2012....with or without your car.?
> >
> >
> >
> > 60th ANNIVERSARY OF TRIUMPH CARS IN COMPETITION.
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe Alexander
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
> > To: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> > Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> > Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:46 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris,?
> > I used to visit Europe frequently and lived in Norway for 1 1/2 years. The
>
> > distances involved are what makes everything different here. We try to
> > have these focus events to bring everyone together, but the distances are
> > always a problem and limit attendance. For vintage racing, all the
> > organizations are regionally based. There is VARA in California, VSCDA in
> > the Midwest, CVAR for Texas/Oklahoma, RMVR in Colorado, and many others.
> > Luckily, most of them have similar rules, but some are more lax about
> > modern parts than others.?
> > ?
> > If you've never been over here, you ought to come. If you plan it around
> > some races with FoT participation, I'm sure you will feel welcome.?
> > ?
> > MadMarx wrote:?
> >> I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country.
> >> Would?
> >> be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in
> >> the?
> >> Mongolia and we might never meet.?
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Sep 15 07:45:09 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:45:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <003701ca35e3$54653e50$fd2fbaf0$@com>
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	<003701ca35e3$54653e50$fd2fbaf0$@com>
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I'm sure that license would be accepted.

- Tony

At 04:02 AM 9/15/2009, MadMarx wrote:
>Would be a great idea to rent a race for an event!
>Should be an event where Kas is present and maybe a nice track layout too.
>
>Is a FIA int. C-license accepted in USA?
>
>Cheers
>Chris
>
>Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 01:48
>An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
>Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
>No, not the race car silly.  Just you.  We can figure a way to get you into
>a race car at one of our events ;-))
>
>In a message dated 9/14/2009 3:44:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
>I would like to but the air transport of the race car is out of my current
>budget.
>
>But Id like to thank you for your nice welcome to USA.
>
>Cheers
>Chris
>
>Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 00:07
>An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
>Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
>Just so Amigo, That's why we make so much effort to contact, converse and
>meet our like minded friends.  That often involves 1000 mile plus tows but
>when you sit around the pits on an evening sharing storiesd and adult
>beverages it all seems worth it!
>
>If you were to plan a Holiday in the US to coincide with any race meet you
>can trust the Triumph folk would make you welcome!
>
>In a message dated 9/14/2009 2:43:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
>I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country. Would
>be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in the
>Mongolia and we might never meet.
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Tue Sep 15 08:18:46 2009
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:18:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <20090915134533.5C42418763F@autox.team.net>
References: <c1a.667e3d7c.37e03032@aol.com>
	<003701ca35e3$54653e50$fd2fbaf0$@com> 
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Message-ID: <BLU136-W11CCD64E80FD8D24070C7DB2E30@phx.gbl>

I race on a FIA grade c from MSNZ (motorsport new Zealand) and its no problem
at all. What does help is a SCCA membership card.

> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:45:09 -0500
> To: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net
> From: tony at tonydrews.com
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
> I'm sure that license would be accepted.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 04:02 AM 9/15/2009, MadMarx wrote:
> >Would be a great idea to rent a race for an event!
> >Should be an event where Kas is present and maybe a nice track layout too.
> >
> >Is a FIA int. C-license accepted in USA?
> >
> >Cheers
> >Chris
> >
> >Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
> >Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 01:48
> >An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> >Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
> >
> >No, not the race car silly. Just you. We can figure a way to get you into
> >a race car at one of our events ;-))
> >
> >In a message dated 9/14/2009 3:44:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> >tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
> >I would like to but the air transport of the race car is out of my current
> >budget.
> >
> >But Id like to thank you for your nice welcome to USA.
> >
> >Cheers
> >Chris
> >
> >Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
> >Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 00:07
> >An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> >Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
> >
> >Just so Amigo, That's why we make so much effort to contact, converse and
> >meet our like minded friends. That often involves 1000 mile plus tows but
> >when you sit around the pits on an evening sharing storiesd and adult
> >beverages it all seems worth it!
> >
> >If you were to plan a Holiday in the US to coincide with any race meet you
> >can trust the Triumph folk would make you welcome!
> >
> >In a message dated 9/14/2009 2:43:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> >tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
> >I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country.
Would
> >be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in
the
> >Mongolia and we might never meet.
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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Tue Sep 15 10:20:16 2009
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:20:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <8CC03B64C7B4BDF-3EBC-82AE@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <412756.70530.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'd second this ... I for one would like to meet  you ... and somewhere, there
may even be a car someone would share with you  ... its been done before ..


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire

--- On Mon, 9/14/09, n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:


From: n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
To: cartravel at pobox.com, tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 7:55 PM


Christian,



Think of coming over in terms of 2012....with or without your car.?



60th ANNIVERSARY OF TRIUMPH CARS IN COMPETITION.



Joe Alexander


-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
To: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning



Chris,?
I used to visit Europe frequently and lived in Norway for 1 1/2 years. The
distances involved are what makes everything different here. We try to have
these focus events to bring everyone together, but the distances are always a
problem and limit attendance. For vintage racing, all the organizations are
regionally based. There is VARA in California, VSCDA in the Midwest, CVAR for
Texas/Oklahoma, RMVR in Colorado, and many others. Luckily, most of them have
similar rules, but some are more lax about modern parts than others.?
?
If you've never been over here, you ought to come. If you plan it around some
races with FoT participation, I'm sure you will feel welcome.?
?
MadMarx wrote:?
> I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country.
Would?
> be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in
the?
> Mongolia and we might never meet.?
?
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From trbilbo at aol.com  Tue Sep 15 15:54:40 2009
From: trbilbo at aol.com (trbilbo at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:54:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 3.89 CWP's..Diffs.alloys...GT6/Spifire clean out...(65
 Musang stuff)?
In-Reply-To: <cfc.61409651.37dd53af@aol.com>
References: <cfc.61409651.37dd53af@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC0466419125DF-419C-1E09C@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>

Steve (And other Amici)...

?

Just?sold my 67 and 69 GT6+ and may have a diff or two still available.

Gears unknown but in good shape. 

Pretty sure I also have a GT6 OD trans out there too.

Also have a comlete 'mild race' GT6 engine available.

?

Lots of stock stuff too... interior bits... probably bumpers...carbs...harnesses... kits... bunches.

Parts gotta go as the garage is much smaller now.

?

Cool stuff!!... like four Libre American racing mags on new Pirelli's (never been mounted on the car)

Other Spitfire/GT6 alloys in sets as well....

?

(Also 5 American racing Torque Thrust D mags NEW in the box with caps and lugs for 65-66 mustang/falcon/fairlane etc.)

?

Triumph interest? Other?

?

Finally starting to dig into things after the great move to North County two years ago.

Have a 10x20 foot storage unit full of great TR stuff.

?

Cheers

Bill 

#195 TR4A always!

?

70 TR6, 68 TR250 and parts for Spits, GT6, TR's all....


-----Original Message-----
From: Gt6steve at aol.com
To: FOT at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Sep 12, 2009 12:42 pm
Subject: [Fot] 3.89 CWP's




Amici, anybody have a good source for diffs or components for the small  
chassis cars?  I need 3.89 CWP's as well as 3.65 and 4.11.  There are  just 
none left in Vegas!
 
I'll be hittin' up the Brits pretty soon too!
 
Steve
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Sep 15 16:03:45 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:03:45 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <412756.70530.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <8CC03B64C7B4BDF-3EBC-82AE@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
	<412756.70530.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001301ca3650$680b1200$38213600$@com>

Oh  Im happy that you would like to meet me.
I have no idea when I can come over but Im really keen on racing with you
guys.
I hope that I dont misbehave then as I did at Zandvoort, when I didnt see
the yellow flag.

Cheers
Chris

Von: tom strange [mailto:tstrange at sbcglobal.net]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 18:20
An: cartravel at pobox.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning


I'd second this ... I for one would like to meet  you ... and somewhere,
there may even be a car someone would share with you  ... its been done
before ..
Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire


--- On Mon, 9/14/09, n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

From: n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
To: cartravel at pobox.com, tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 7:55 PM
Christian,



Think of coming over in terms of 2012....with or without your car.?



60th ANNIVERSARY OF TRIUMPH CARS IN COMPETITION.



Joe Alexander


-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com
<http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cartravel at pobox.com> >
To: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com
<http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tr4racing at googlemail.com> >
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
<http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning



Chris,?
I used to visit Europe frequently and lived in Norway for 1 1/2 years. The
distances involved are what makes everything different here. We try to have
these focus events to bring everyone together, but the distances are always
a problem and limit attendance. For vintage racing, all the organizations
are regionally based. There is VARA in California, VSCDA in the Midwest,
CVAR for Texas/Oklahoma, RMVR in Colorado, and many others. Luckily, most of
them have similar rules, but some are more lax about modern parts than
others.?
?
If you've never been over here, you ought to come. If you plan it around
some races with FoT participation, I'm sure you will feel welcome.?
?
MadMarx wrote:?
> I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country.
Would?
> be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in
the?
> Mongolia and we might never meet.?
?
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Wed Sep 16 07:55:11 2009
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:55:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 6 cylinder DCOE 40 setup
Message-ID: <000501ca36d5$4f6232d0$ee269870$@rr.com>

I have a complete triple Weber setup w/ manifold and linkage installed for a
later style TR-6 (not the 69) or a TVR. These were tried by a person on a
stock street car and it was too much carb. They didn't want to get into
changing chokes/jets and air correctors. 

I thought I would offer them up to FOT before listing them elsewhere. These
are all like new as is the linkage and manifold. Anyone interested with
realistic proposals please contact me outside the group. These are the real
thing, not offshore knock-offs. Mounted on a Pierce manifold. 

I also have a second Pierce manifold (TR-6) available as well as a Spitfire
(1296 or 1500) dual DCOE-40 Pierce manifold (8-port). 

Please contact me for more information.

 

Russ Moore (rem9 at twcny.rr.com)

From billb at bnj.com  Wed Sep 16 09:15:11 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:15:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 6 cylinder DCOE 40 setup
In-Reply-To: <000501ca36d5$4f6232d0$ee269870$@rr.com>
References: <000501ca36d5$4f6232d0$ee269870$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <B1931F89-DC82-42AB-AE77-BB26A60522CD@bnj.com>

Wow, what a strange reason to ditch Webers. Adjustability is about the  
only really good reason to buy Webers, other than the fact that they  
look bitchin'.


On Sep 16, 2009, at 6:55 AM, Spitfire Racing wrote:

> I have a complete triple Weber setup w/ manifold and linkage  
> installed for a
> later style TR-6 (not the 69) or a TVR. These were tried by a person  
> on a
> stock street car and it was too much carb. They didn't want to get  
> into
> changing chokes/jets and air correctors.
>
> I thought I would offer them up to FOT before listing them  
> elsewhere. These
> are all like new as is the linkage and manifold. Anyone interested  
> with
> realistic proposals please contact me outside the group. These are  
> the real
> thing, not offshore knock-offs. Mounted on a Pierce manifold.
>
> I also have a second Pierce manifold (TR-6) available as well as a  
> Spitfire
> (1296 or 1500) dual DCOE-40 Pierce manifold (8-port).
>
> Please contact me for more information.
>
>
>
> Russ Moore (rem9 at twcny.rr.com)
>
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Sep 16 09:51:43 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:51:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] 6 cylinder DCOE 40 setup
In-Reply-To: <B1931F89-DC82-42AB-AE77-BB26A60522CD@bnj.com>
References: <000501ca36d5$4f6232d0$ee269870$@rr.com>
	<B1931F89-DC82-42AB-AE77-BB26A60522CD@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909161149500.5534@isis.mit.edu>

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Bill Babcock wrote:

> Wow, what a strange reason to ditch Webers. Adjustability is about the only 
> really good reason to buy Webers, other than the fact that they look 
> bitchin'.

I was going to "say" the same thing! You can make Webers do just about 
anything. And I have a $1500 collection of brass to prove it.

I'd buy the setup for myself, but I'm trying to start thinning my 
collection right now.

rml
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From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Sep 16 11:17:58 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:17:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 6 cylinder DCOE 40 setup
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909161149500.5534@isis.mit.edu>
References: <000501ca36d5$4f6232d0$ee269870$@rr.com>
	<B1931F89-DC82-42AB-AE77-BB26A60522CD@bnj.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909161149500.5534@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909161017n1e0ea190v2c62f97775f2fc71@mail.gmail.com>

Pehaps the buyer did not understand just putting on the Webers was a
waste of time--there is the cam, head porting and decent
header-exhaust needed to use all that gas vapor.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu> wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Bill Babcock wrote:
>
>> Wow, what a strange reason to ditch Webers. Adjustability is about the
>> only really good reason to buy Webers, other than the fact that they look
>> bitchin'.
>
> I was going to "say" the same thing! You can make Webers do just about
> anything. And I have a $1500 collection of brass to prove it.
>
> I'd buy the setup for myself, but I'm trying to start thinning my
collection
> right now.
>
> rml
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From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Sep 16 11:19:17 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:19:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 6 cylinder DCOE 40 setup
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909161149500.5534@isis.mit.edu>
References: <000501ca36d5$4f6232d0$ee269870$@rr.com><B1931F89-DC82-42AB-AE77-BB26A60522CD@bnj.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909161149500.5534@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <36B80137250840269F7D6B0AE234DD43@joepentiumnew>

Yes, Webers are great for tuning to the needs of a particular circuit but
not so great on a street car that is traveling in multiple environments.
That is why I got rid of my Spitfire twin DCOE setup in favor of EFI on my
Red Spit.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Robert Lang
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:52 AM
To: Bill Babcock
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] 6 cylinder DCOE 40 setup

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Bill Babcock wrote:

> Wow, what a strange reason to ditch Webers. Adjustability is about the
only 
> really good reason to buy Webers, other than the fact that they look 
> bitchin'.

I was going to "say" the same thing! You can make Webers do just about 
anything. And I have a $1500 collection of brass to prove it.

I'd buy the setup for myself, but I'm trying to start thinning my 
collection right now.

rml
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Sep 16 12:01:15 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:01:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TRANSPORT FROM MIDWEST TO CALIFORNIA AND RETURN
In-Reply-To: <36B80137250840269F7D6B0AE234DD43@joepentiumnew>
References: <000501ca36d5$4f6232d0$ee269870$@rr.com><B1931F89-DC82-42AB-AE77-BB26A60522CD@bnj.com><Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909161149500.5534@isis.mit.edu>
	<36B80137250840269F7D6B0AE234DD43@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <8CC050ED1B5830C-56E0-60D9@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com>

FOT,



I am contemplating a trip to California from Iowa sometime in the next three months. If I configure my rig right, I might be able to transport a car both ways.



Anyone with a need to move stuff? Enclosed Trailer.



Joe Alexander

From robertten1 at aol.com  Wed Sep 16 21:11:37 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:11:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 MK3 Part ...
Message-ID: <8CC055BB3E54900-3604-CC08@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com>

Amici,

?

I'm looking for an input shaft for a late model GT6 Mk3 gearbox for my race Spitfire.? Late in the model year the factory modified the top gear, the helical cut is at a different angle from the early gearboxes.

?

Thanks,

Bob T

'64 Spit GT? autocrosser

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Sep 17 03:19:13 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:19:13 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort race
In-Reply-To: <0KQ3003FICOG1VT0@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <20090913012840.6A1AF187657@autox.team.net>
	<000901ca3578$4b031000$e1093000$@com>
	<49BE0BD305FE4534A8794D2A1D7FB0B5@KasPC>
	<001301ca3588$b8b9a900$2a2cfb00$@com>
	<0KQ3003FICOG1VT0@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <003201ca3777$eedbf970$cc93ec50$@com>

The gauge is a datalogger with included shiftlight.
The laps are recorded and you  can analyse them on a computer.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: J.C. Hassall [mailto:jhassall at blacksburg.net]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. September 2009 03:12
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort race

At 06:14 PM 9/14/2009, you wrote:
>Hi @ all,

Chris, get video, thanks for sharing it.  *Great* driving!

What is the gauge or indicator on the left, where the fascia vent
would go?  There appears to be a flashing light there.


>here is the newest video taken from my car.
>It was a wet race. I'm terribly sorry that sometimes the auto focus liked
>the rain drops more than the track but I hope it is fun to watch.
>
>http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5381443852892581074
>
>
>I had a little trouble before that race #2 you see in that video. At race
#1
>the right caliper blocked the wheel and in the paddock the axle bearing
>grease left the housing, was running over the hot brake disk and started
>burning a little. With a paper handkerchief the fire was stopped and only
>smoke is left behind.
>
>At the last lap I overtook at a yellow flagged area and got a 20 second
>penalty which sat me from position 10 to 15. I'm angry about my mistake
>because with that overtaking I had nothing to win, the TR6 is in a higher
>class. But if you are close to another car on a wet track a yellow flag is
>hard to see.
>
>Cheers
>Chris
>
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'63 TR4 in autox preparation
98.9% finished, 90% to go

From robertten1 at aol.com  Thu Sep 17 08:30:25 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:30:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks
Message-ID: <8CC05BA87E5E2D9-4648-10D59@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com>

Amici Spit Racers,

Curious as to what brand of shocks people are using, and the settings, on the rear of your Spitfire Race Cars?? Also, has anyine any experience with the shocks available from Ted at TSI ?? My second set of Spax are leaking out!

Curious,
Bob T

From harmug at us.ibm.com  Thu Sep 17 13:38:41 2009
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:38:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 34, Issue 29
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1253210401.20535.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF55B294CA.D734823B-ON85257634.006854C7-85257634.006BE7C1@us.ibm.com>

"?Curious as to what brand of shocks people are using, and the settings,
on the rear of your Spitfire Race Cars?"
I'm running SPAX shocks in my 63 Spit 3 or 4 clicks softer than the front
shocks. I've had SPAX shocks break the ends off from off roading and impact
but not leak. They've behaved on my street Spits/GT6 too.

mike h

From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu Sep 17 13:43:18 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:43:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks
References: <8CC05BA87E5E2D9-4648-10D59@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <34604458FB4147B8A5C4E5609FBF5F61@rocky>

Konis all around. Full hard in back.

And thinking of sending them in to get revalved harder. Reason: Koni says it 
results in better turn-in in front. When I reset the rears to full hard it 
did give me better turn-in, just not enough yet.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <robertten1 at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:30 AM
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks


> Amici Spit Racers,
>
> Curious as to what brand of shocks people are using, and the settings, on 
> the rear of your Spitfire Race Cars?? Also, has anyine any experience with 
> the shocks available from Ted at TSI ?? My second set of Spax are leaking 
> out!
>
> Curious,
> Bob T
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Thu Sep 17 18:24:14 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:24:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks
In-Reply-To: <8CC05BA87E5E2D9-4648-10D59@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <A5EB7216628542AF8F0BD1233DF1858D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Spax - 5 Clicks off of full stiff.  No problems in 4 seasons.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of robertten1 at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:30 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks


Amici Spit Racers,

Curious as to what brand of shocks people are using, and the settings, on
the rear of your Spitfire Race Cars?? Also, has anyine any experience with
the shocks available from Ted at TSI ?? My second set of Spax are leaking
out!

Curious,
Bob T
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

From fpspitfire at comcast.net  Thu Sep 17 18:29:53 2009
From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 00:29:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks
In-Reply-To: <34604458FB4147B8A5C4E5609FBF5F61@rocky>
Message-ID: <1598783088.865491253233793561.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Bob



I use AVO dampers.B  rears are full rose bearing connections and front have a
rose bearing on the bottom and stock top with poly bushings.



front settings vary from 8-15 and the rears vary from 12-20 of the 24
positions.B 



Remember your mileage will vary depending on springs, tires, and swaybars.



I had spax on my car for a while and didn't like them at all.B  the
adjustability was not very good, the spitfire ones if i remember correctly
only adjust rebound (or bump i can't remember) and i was never able to really
see a differenct between the full soft setting and full hard setting.B  I also
thought the adjustable spring perch was cheap.B  it's a collar welded on
rather than a threaded body,the shaft is a small diameter.



I don't know much about the Koni's so I can't really say much about them other
than I know the adjustability is not able to be done with the damper on the
car.B  you have to remove, compress, twist...



aaron

#87 HP Spitfire 1500

Southern Illinois Region SCCA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net, robertten1 at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 3:43:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks

Konis all around. Full hard in back.

And thinking of sending them in to get revalved harder. Reason: Koni says it
results in better turn-in in front. When I reset the rears to full hard it
did give me better turn-in, just not enough yet.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message -----
From: <robertten1 at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:30 AM
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks


> Amici Spit Racers,
>
> Curious as to what brand of shocks people are using, and the settings, on
> the rear of your Spitfire Race Cars?? Also, has anyine any experience with
> the shocks available from Ted at TSI ?? My second set of Spax are leaking
> out!
>
> Curious,
> Bob T

From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Thu Sep 17 19:23:18 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:23:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks
In-Reply-To: <1598783088.865491253233793561.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <819DB320E6BF4F82928C3C5E8D258E68@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Gotta agree with Aaron that even though I'm running the Spax, and haven't
had any problems with them, I'm not particularily pleased with them.  The
fronts required a lot of work to make them fit right.  I had to cut off the
spring mounts (they are cheesy) and make my own out of aluminum to fit
standard 2.25 inch springs.  Also had to make a new upper mount to get any
travel out of them with a low ride height.  I also agree that they don't
seem to do as much as I would like with adjustments.

Part numbers and sources for alternates would be appreciated.

Thanks

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of fpspitfire at comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:30 PM
To: Rocky Entriken
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks


Bob



I use AVO dampers.B  rears are full rose bearing connections and front have
a rose bearing on the bottom and stock top with poly bushings.



front settings vary from 8-15 and the rears vary from 12-20 of the 24
positions.B



Remember your mileage will vary depending on springs, tires, and swaybars.



I had spax on my car for a while and didn't like them at all.B  the
adjustability was not very good, the spitfire ones if i remember correctly
only adjust rebound (or bump i can't remember) and i was never able to
really see a differenct between the full soft setting and full hard
setting.B  I also thought the adjustable spring perch was cheap.B  it's a
collar welded on rather than a threaded body,the shaft is a small diameter.



I don't know much about the Koni's so I can't really say much about them
other than I know the adjustability is not able to be done with the damper
on the car.B  you have to remove, compress, twist...



aaron

#87 HP Spitfire 1500

Southern Illinois Region SCCA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net, robertten1 at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 3:43:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks

Konis all around. Full hard in back.

And thinking of sending them in to get revalved harder. Reason: Koni says it
results in better turn-in in front. When I reset the rears to full hard it
did give me better turn-in, just not enough yet.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message -----
From: <robertten1 at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:30 AM
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks


> Amici Spit Racers,
>
> Curious as to what brand of shocks people are using, and the settings,
> on the rear of your Spitfire Race Cars?? Also, has anyine any
> experience with the shocks available from Ted at TSI ?? My second set
> of Spax are leaking out!
>
> Curious,
> Bob T
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Sep 18 13:52:23 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:52:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Waaaaay off topic - Craigslist
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74014ECF08@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

OK, so I'm looking at buying a sailboat that's listed on Craigs list.
I'm clearly doing something wrong and none of the help desk discussions
or instructions are helpful in any way.  Are there any Craigs list
experts out there willing to help?

Scott

From dave at microworks.net  Fri Sep 18 16:18:50 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:18:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Waaaaay off topic - Craigslist
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74014ECF08@svr-exch01.mccart
	y-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74014ECF08@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <20090918221928.11944187658@autox.team.net>

I bought one of my sailboats off Craigslist.

At 12:52 PM 9/18/2009, you wrote:
>OK, so I'm looking at buying a sailboat that's listed on Craigs list.
>I'm clearly doing something wrong and none of the help desk discussions
>or instructions are helpful in any way.  Are there any Craigs list
>experts out there willing to help?
>
>Scott
>
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>
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 19 16:57:57 2009
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:57:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Mother Muller Suspension??
Message-ID: <315540.98803.qm@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

The 62 TR4 I am getting ready to run next summer has Mother Muller Suspension
on it (as my Father in Law tells me).  The upper A arm is not stock.  It
appears adjustable.  Does anyone know anthing about this type of sepension.
Thanks!!!!!

Mike Mehl

From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Sep 19 22:12:13 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 22:12:13 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: [Thicko] TR special]
Message-ID: <4AB5AB9D.7010907@bradakis.com>

> Ebay item number 140346665057


Shucks.  The Team.Net fund drive didn't bring in enough to cover the starting
bid on this car.  So it goes.

mjb.

From triosan at gmail.com  Sun Sep 20 09:24:11 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 08:24:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: [Thicko] TR special]
In-Reply-To: <4AB5AB9D.7010907@bradakis.com>
References: <4AB5AB9D.7010907@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909200824y345a1d6cg3c13d5034332fb5a@mail.gmail.com>

Now there is a car that Bill Hart should add tohis collection.  I am
thinking Babcock is downsizing!
Chuck

On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
>> Ebay item number 140346665057
>
>
> Shucks.  The Team.Net fund drive didn't bring in enough to cover the
> starting
> bid on this car.  So it goes.
>
> mjb.
>
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Sun Sep 20 16:29:08 2009
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:29:08 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <20090915134533.5C42418763F@autox.team.net>
References: <c1a.667e3d7c.37e03032@aol.com><003701ca35e3$54653e50$fd2fbaf0$@com>
	<20090915134533.5C42418763F@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <26EFF523CEAF466E9C32138E5AFCC067@homekeith>

Hi Chris,

I race in the US using a UK National A so your FIA International C will be
good enough...

Cheers, Keith.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: 15 September 2009 14:45
To: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning

I'm sure that license would be accepted.

- Tony

At 04:02 AM 9/15/2009, MadMarx wrote:
>Would be a great idea to rent a race for an event!
>Should be an event where Kas is present and maybe a nice track layout too.
>
>Is a FIA int. C-license accepted in USA?
>
>Cheers
>Chris
>
>Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 01:48
>An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
>Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
>No, not the race car silly.  Just you.  We can figure a way to get you into
>a race car at one of our events ;-))
>
>In a message dated 9/14/2009 3:44:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
>I would like to but the air transport of the race car is out of my current
>budget.
>
>But Id like to thank you for your nice welcome to USA.
>
>Cheers
>Chris
>
>Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 00:07
>An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
>Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
>Just so Amigo, That's why we make so much effort to contact, converse and
>meet our like minded friends.  That often involves 1000 mile plus tows but
>when you sit around the pits on an evening sharing storiesd and adult
>beverages it all seems worth it!
>
>If you were to plan a Holiday in the US to coincide with any race meet you
>can trust the Triumph folk would make you welcome!
>
>In a message dated 9/14/2009 2:43:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
>I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country.
Would
>be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in the
>Mongolia and we might never meet.
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Sep 21 02:36:06 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:36:06 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <26EFF523CEAF466E9C32138E5AFCC067@homekeith>
References: <c1a.667e3d7c.37e03032@aol.com><003701ca35e3$54653e50$fd2fbaf0$@com>
	<20090915134533.5C42418763F@autox.team.net>
	<26EFF523CEAF466E9C32138E5AFCC067@homekeith>
Message-ID: <003901ca3a96$93756450$ba602cf0$@com>

I'm preparing for the Nordschleife race next weekend.
The weather reports are quite reasonable. If it rains - don't matter, rain
tires are there to serve the car well. Race distance is about 200 mls + two
practice sessions of one hour each.

Think that will be some fun.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Keith Files [mailto:keithfiles at btinternet.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 21. September 2009 00:29
An: 'Tony Drews'; 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Next race planning

Hi Chris,

I race in the US using a UK National A so your FIA International C will be
good enough...

Cheers, Keith.

From SpiwakD at aol.com  Mon Sep 21 07:18:46 2009
From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:18:46 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Radiator TR3
Message-ID: <c8a.45e1859f.37e8d736@aol.com>

Need a source for a quality aluminum radiator for TR3 race  car

From SpiwakD at aol.com  Mon Sep 21 07:20:43 2009
From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:20:43 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
Message-ID: <d55.5a2477dc.37e8d7ab@aol.com>

I am having trouble with my pickups sucking air during long sweepers. Does  
anyone use a fuel cell with a trap or captive sump to hold fuel while 
cornering?  A 5 gallon would be fine.

From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Sep 21 08:48:46 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 07:48:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
In-Reply-To: <d55.5a2477dc.37e8d7ab@aol.com>
References: <d55.5a2477dc.37e8d7ab@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F35DD9D23DDE4AC5AC399E79D30FAE7D@joepentiumnew>

I hope you have the pickup in the center of the tank rather on one side.  I
made that mistake once and found that on left hand turns all the fuel would
go to the other side of the tank despite the foam baffles inside the tank.
Changing the orientation fixed the trouble.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 6:21 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell

I am having trouble with my pickups sucking air during long sweepers. Does  
anyone use a fuel cell with a trap or captive sump to hold fuel while 
cornering?  A 5 gallon would be fine.
You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net

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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Sep 21 11:04:06 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:04:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
References: <d55.5a2477dc.37e8d7ab@aol.com>
	<F35DD9D23DDE4AC5AC399E79D30FAE7D@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <A3BBF02E8B844C6A9120020B49A3943E@rocky>

When I ordered my ATL cell many years ago, I ordered it with two pickups, 
one in each rear corner. They go to two Holley Red fuel pumps (redundancy) 
which then feed to a single tee that sends fuel to the front of the car for 
the carbs. Just before the carbs there's a regulator I set for 2.5 lbs of 
flow (I have a fuel flow meter there also).

Never had a problem. BTW, it's 8 gallons. I also ordered it with a dipstick 
so I could know my fuel level.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell


>I hope you have the pickup in the center of the tank rather on one side.  I
> made that mistake once and found that on left hand turns all the fuel 
> would
> go to the other side of the tank despite the foam baffles inside the tank.
> Changing the orientation fixed the trouble.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 6:21 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
>
> I am having trouble with my pickups sucking air during long sweepers. Does
> anyone use a fuel cell with a trap or captive sump to hold fuel while
> cornering?  A 5 gallon would be fine.
> You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Mon Sep 21 12:01:23 2009
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:01:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
In-Reply-To: <d55.5a2477dc.37e8d7ab@aol.com>
References: <d55.5a2477dc.37e8d7ab@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W502AC697950056EC43AF6B2DD0@phx.gbl>

YES. ATL have a plastic "box"(fuel collector) that can be fitted to most fuel
cells. Has one way valves to allow fuel in and cental pickup.



good luck



Tony

> From: SpiwakD at aol.com
> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:20:43 -0400
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
>
> I am having trouble with my pickups sucking air during long sweepers. Does
> anyone use a fuel cell with a trap or captive sump to hold fuel while
> cornering? A 5 gallon would be fine.
>
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From cofrog at q.com  Mon Sep 21 12:22:22 2009
From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:22:22 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Hoosier Speedster Wanted
Message-ID: <SNT105-W3193836B3C182B5690040FD4DD0@phx.gbl>

Listers,



Earlier this season I wrecked a 205-60-15 Speedster.  I am left with three
that have 1/3 to 1/2 tread left.  I am looking for one tire with similiar
wear.  Now that the season is about over, I am hoping someone has one laying
around that they want to get rid of.



Thanks,



Dan Forgey

From robertten1 at aol.com  Mon Sep 21 12:28:43 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:28:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC  Obituary
Message-ID: <8CC09007C0DE3B7-3ACC-17745@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>

> Obituary printed in the London Times - Interesting and
> sadly, rather true. 
> 
> Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend,
> Common Sense,
> who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure
> how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost
> in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having
> cultivated such valuable lessons as: 
> - Knowing when to come in out of the rain; 
> - Why the early bird gets the worm; 
> - Life isn't always fair; 
> - and maybe it was my fault. 
> 
> Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial
> policies (don't spend more than you can earn) and
> reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).
> His health began to deteriorate rapidly when
> well-intentioned but
 overbearing regulations were set in
> place. Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual
> harassment for kiss ing a classmate; teens suspended from
> school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired
> for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his
> condition. 
> 
> Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked
> teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed
> to do in disciplining their unruly children. 
> 
> It declined even further when schools were required to get
> parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a
> student; but could not inform parents when a student became
> pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.
> 
> 
> Common Sense lost the will to live as the
> churches became businesses; and criminals received better
> treatment than their victims. 
> 
> Common Sense
 took a beating when you couldn't
> defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the
> burglar could sue you for assault. 
> 
> Common Sense finally gave up the will to live,
> after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of
> coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was
> promptly awarded a huge settlement. 
> 
> Common Sense was preceded in death, by his
> parents, Truth and Trust, by his wife, Discretion, by his
> daughter, Responsibility, and by his son, Reason. 
> 
> He is survived by his 4 stepbrothers; 
> I Know My Rights 
> I Want It Now 
> Someone Else Is To Blame 
> I'm A Victim 
> 
> Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he
> was gone. If you still remember him, pass this on. If not,
> join the majority and do nothing. 



?

Makes You THINK !!

Bob T.

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Sep 21 12:53:24 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:53:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC  Obituary
In-Reply-To: <8CC09007C0DE3B7-3ACC-17745@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC09007C0DE3B7-3ACC-17745@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <FF1A6C97AB0A45E488189D6F455CBFCD@jdnet.deere.com>

> > Obituary printed in the London Times - Interesting and
> > sadly, rather true.

Or perhaps, like Mark Twain, the reports of his death are greatly
exaggerated.  

This little ditty has been making the rounds since well before the Internet
age, at least 20 years that I know of.  The bit about the coffee was added
later (and that was in 1992, so gives you some idea).

-- Randall 

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Sep 21 15:03:53 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:03:53 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
Message-ID: <c63.501bea13.37e94439@aol.com>

My system exactly.  NEVER a problem....
 
 
In a message dated 9/21/2009 10:21:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
rocky at spitfire4.com writes:

When I  ordered my ATL cell many years ago, I ordered it with two pickups, 
one in  each rear corner. They go to two Holley Red fuel pumps (redundancy) 
which  then feed to a single tee that sends fuel to the front of the car 
for 
the  carbs. Just before the carbs there's a regulator I set for 2.5 lbs of 
flow  (I have a fuel flow meter there also).

Never had a problem. BTW, it's 8  gallons. I also ordered it with a 
dipstick 
so I could know my fuel  level.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From:  "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>;  <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:48  AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell


>I hope you have  the pickup in the center of the tank rather on one side.  
I
> made  that mistake once and found that on left hand turns all the fuel 
>  would
> go to the other side of the tank despite the foam baffles inside  the 
tank.
> Changing the orientation fixed the trouble.
>
>  Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>  Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 6:21  AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel  cell
>
> I am having trouble with my pickups sucking air during  long sweepers. 
Does
> anyone use a fuel cell with a trap or captive sump  to hold fuel while
> cornering?  A 5 gallon would be fine.
>  You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net
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From John.Reed at wilson.com  Mon Sep 21 15:12:03 2009
From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:12:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
In-Reply-To: <c63.501bea13.37e94439@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C6DD5653.3954%John.Reed@wilson.com>

Ditto


On 9/21/09 4:03 PM, "Gt6steve at aol.com" <Gt6steve at aol.com> wrote:

> My system exactly.  NEVER a problem....
>  
>  
> In a message dated 9/21/2009 10:21:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> rocky at spitfire4.com writes:
> 
> When I  ordered my ATL cell many years ago, I ordered it with two pickups,
> one in  each rear corner. They go to two Holley Red fuel pumps (redundancy)
> which  then feed to a single tee that sends fuel to the front of the car
> for 
> the  carbs. Just before the carbs there's a regulator I set for 2.5 lbs of
> flow  (I have a fuel flow meter there also).
> 
> Never had a problem. BTW, it's 8  gallons. I also ordered it with a
> dipstick 
> so I could know my fuel  level.
> 
> --Rocky Entriken
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:  "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
> To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>;  <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:48  AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
> 
> 
>> I hope you have  the pickup in the center of the tank rather on one side.
> I
>> made  that mistake once and found that on left hand turns all the fuel
>>  would
>> go to the other side of the tank despite the foam baffles inside  the
> tank.
>> Changing the orientation fixed the trouble.
>> 
>>  Joe C.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:  fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>>  Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 6:21  AM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel  cell
>> 
>> I am having trouble with my pickups sucking air during  long sweepers.
> Does
>> anyone use a fuel cell with a trap or captive sump  to hold fuel while
>> cornering?  A 5 gallon would be fine.
>>  You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net
>> 
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>>  http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Sep 21 15:13:10 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:13:10 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
Message-ID: <c2e.55e791f4.37e94666@aol.com>

Isn't it cool how solutions far separated follow the same paths, perhaps  
suggesting that they're right?  Or maybe just saying they're  easy...;-))
 
 
In a message dated 9/21/2009 2:11:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
John.Reed at wilson.com writes:

Ditto


On 9/21/09 4:03 PM, "Gt6steve at aol.com"  <Gt6steve at aol.com> wrote:

> My system exactly.  NEVER a  problem....
>  
>  
> In a message dated 9/21/2009  10:21:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> rocky at spitfire4.com  writes:
> 
> When I  ordered my ATL cell many years ago, I  ordered it with two 
pickups,
> one in  each rear corner. They go to  two Holley Red fuel pumps 
(redundancy)
> which  then feed to a  single tee that sends fuel to the front of the car
> for 
>  the  carbs. Just before the carbs there's a regulator I set for 2.5 lbs  
of
> flow  (I have a fuel flow meter there also).
> 
>  Never had a problem. BTW, it's 8  gallons. I also ordered it with  a
> dipstick 
> so I could know my fuel  level.
>  
> --Rocky Entriken
> 
> ----- Original Message  -----
> From:  "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
> To:  <SpiwakD at aol.com>;  <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent:  Monday, September 21, 2009 9:48  AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot]  Slosh-proof fuel cell
> 
> 
>> I hope you have  the  pickup in the center of the tank rather on one 
side.
> I
>>  made  that mistake once and found that on left hand turns all the  fuel
>>  would
>> go to the other side of the tank  despite the foam baffles inside  the
> tank.
>> Changing  the orientation fixed the trouble.
>> 
>>  Joe  C.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:   fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]  
On
>>  Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
>> Sent: Monday,  September 21, 2009 6:21  AM
>> To:  fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel   cell
>> 
>> I am having trouble with my pickups sucking air  during  long sweepers.
> Does
>> anyone use a fuel cell  with a trap or captive sump  to hold fuel while
>>  cornering?  A 5 gallon would be fine.
>>  You are  subscribed as spitlist at cox.net
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Thu Sep 24 15:23:36 2009
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:23:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC  Obituary
In-Reply-To: <8CC09007C0DE3B7-3ACC-17745@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC09007C0DE3B7-3ACC-17745@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <82457C20A4C94CE3B323A319FBBEAF1F@INSPIRON>

No LBC is a good thing once in a while         cool
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <robertten1 at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 2:28 PM
Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC Obituary


>> Obituary printed in the London Times - Interesting and
>> sadly, rather true. 
>> 
>> Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend,
>> Common Sense,
>> who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure
>> how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost
>> in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having
>> cultivated such valuable lessons as: 
>> - Knowing when to come in out of the rain; 
>> - Why the early bird gets the worm; 
>> - Life isn't always fair; 
>> - and maybe it was my fault. 
>> 
>> Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial
>> policies (don't spend more than you can earn) and
>> reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).
>> His health began to deteriorate rapidly when
>> well-intentioned but
> overbearing regulations were set in
>> place. Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual
>> harassment for kiss ing a classmate; teens suspended from
>> school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired
>> for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his
>> condition. 
>> 
>> Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked
>> teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed
>> to do in disciplining their unruly children. 
>> 
>> It declined even further when schools were required to get
>> parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a
>> student; but could not inform parents when a student became
>> pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.
>> 
>> 
>> Common Sense lost the will to live as the
>> churches became businesses; and criminals received better
>> treatment than their victims. 
>> 
>> Common Sense
> took a beating when you couldn't
>> defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the
>> burglar could sue you for assault. 
>> 
>> Common Sense finally gave up the will to live,
>> after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of
>> coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was
>> promptly awarded a huge settlement. 
>> 
>> Common Sense was preceded in death, by his
>> parents, Truth and Trust, by his wife, Discretion, by his
>> daughter, Responsibility, and by his son, Reason. 
>> 
>> He is survived by his 4 stepbrothers; 
>> I Know My Rights 
>> I Want It Now 
>> Someone Else Is To Blame 
>> I'm A Victim 
>> 
>> Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he
>> was gone. If you still remember him, pass this on. If not,
>> join the majority and do nothing. 
> 
> 
> 
> ?
> 
> Makes You THINK !!
> 
> Bob T.
> 
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From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Sep 21 15:41:33 2009
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:41:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] PI
Message-ID: <00cb01ca3b04$49bdbd80$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>

got a chance at a TR6 PI setup.
any ideas of what constitutes a good
price and pitfalls i should watch for?

art de armond

From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Sep 21 15:53:56 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:53:56 -0700
Subject: [Fot] PI
References: <00cb01ca3b04$49bdbd80$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <AAC2BA27E0754F1B9F681BB3F4349092@Charly>

Price depends on condition  $100 to $500, they all need to be worked on and 
none have all the pieces.
Get as many pieces as you can i.e.: 3 good throttle bodies that have the 
linkage complete and decent throttle shafts (I believe someone sells the 
throttle shafts for about $200), 6 injectors with corresponding tubes, 1 
control unit (these can be rebuilt for about $600) metering unit (make sure 
you get the proper fittings on the mu) and pedestal complete with 
distributor drive gear, Lucas fuel pump and pressure relief valve, fuel 
filter, air plenum, air filter housing

This should be about all the parts you need.  These are available quite 
often at various prices.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44 with PI

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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 2:41 PM
Subject: [Fot] PI


> got a chance at a TR6 PI setup.
> any ideas of what constitutes a good
> price and pitfalls i should watch for?
>
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Mon Sep 21 21:26:31 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:26:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Radiator TR3
In-Reply-To: <c8a.45e1859f.37e8d736@aol.com>
References: <c8a.45e1859f.37e8d736@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000301ca3b34$8db7eda0$a927c8e0$@com>

Try E-bay Motors and type in "Triumph aluminum radiators".  You will get to
the Wizard Cooling E-bay "store". They have them for the TR3.  They built
the aluminum radiator for our 1961 TR4 race car and we are very pleased with
it.  No problems cooling, even when it's in the 80's.  Out contact was Mr.
Scott Attig and I believe he is still with Wizard.  I think ours was the
prototype for the early TR4/late TR3 style.  I see that it isn't shown on
the E-bay store.  I can e-mail a photo of ours if you are interested.

Tim Murphy
1961 TR4 #317

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:19 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Radiator TR3

Need a source for a quality aluminum radiator for TR3 race  car
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From gsfuqua1 at aol.com  Tue Sep 22 00:26:13 2009
From: gsfuqua1 at aol.com (Gary S Fuqua)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:26:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Radiator TR3
In-Reply-To: <000301ca3b34$8db7eda0$a927c8e0$@com>
References: <c8a.45e1859f.37e8d736@aol.com>
	<000301ca3b34$8db7eda0$a927c8e0$@com>
Message-ID: <5949D324-5C04-4252-A4D7-32EC4E3E88AA@aol.com>

I can also vouch for Scot & Wizzard.  I have 1 of there beautiful  
radiators in my 63 TR 4 racer.  Works great & I always get great  
comments on it.  In fact I was so impressed I bought 2 for TR 3B's I'm  
building.

Cheers,  Gary Fuqua
Classic Sports Cars
Branson, Missouri

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 21, 2009, at 10:26 PM, "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>  
wrote:

> Try E-bay Motors and type in "Triumph aluminum radiators".  You will  
> get to
> the Wizard Cooling E-bay "store". They have them for the TR3.  They  
> built
> the aluminum radiator for our 1961 TR4 race car and we are very  
> pleased with
> it.  No problems cooling, even when it's in the 80's.  Out contact  
> was Mr.
> Scott Attig and I believe he is still with Wizard.  I think ours was  
> the
> prototype for the early TR4/late TR3 style.  I see that it isn't  
> shown on
> the E-bay store.  I can e-mail a photo of ours if you are interested.
>
> Tim Murphy
> 1961 TR4 #317
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]  
> On
> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:19 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Radiator TR3
>
> Need a source for a quality aluminum radiator for TR3 race  car
> You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com
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From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Tue Sep 22 03:00:04 2009
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:00:04 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Billet Cams
Message-ID: <3BB75B951AF042E89B08BDEEDF39B849@GEOFFPC>

FOT
does any know of a supplier of billet cams for the 6 cyl motor
Geoff Byrne
TR6 racer down under

From jaboruch at netzero.net  Tue Sep 22 06:08:01 2009
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:08:01 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Radiator TR3
Message-ID: <20090922.080801.10982.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com>

I had one made by McCulloch Fabricating some years ago.  They custom made it
to my drawing.  I added some brackets for an electric fan.  Their web site is
http://www.alumrad.com/.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: SpiwakD at aol.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Radiator TR3
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:18:46 EDT

Need a source for a quality aluminum radiator for TR3 race  car
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Sep 22 07:32:09 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:32:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Billet Cams
In-Reply-To: <3BB75B951AF042E89B08BDEEDF39B849@GEOFFPC>
References: <3BB75B951AF042E89B08BDEEDF39B849@GEOFFPC>
Message-ID: <4AB8D1D9.5090206@pobox.com>

There are a number of suppliers that sell cams ground on new chilled 
cast iron blanks - TSI Imported, Intergral Cams.  The blanks usually 
have to be bought in large lots.  Ask them if they will sell you a 
blank.  Please let me know what you find out.  I'll be in the market for 
these in the near future.
Larry Young

Geoff Byrne wrote:
> FOT
> does any know of a supplier of billet cams for the 6 cyl motor
> Geoff Byrne
> TR6 racer down under
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue Sep 22 08:38:37 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:38:37 EDT
Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE 1296   AVAILABLE  -  RACE PREPARED
Message-ID: <c11.37475d3c.37ea3b6d@cs.com>

LIST:

There is a Spitfire vintage prepared, but unsorted with mild 1296 engine. 
NFI

Great school car, methinks, and then open to further development.

This might be a sale of opportunity as I could deliver west of the 
Mississippi as I plan to travel to California by November with space available in 
enclosed trailer.

Pictures and details available by owner. Contact me for initial details and 
I will connect you with owner. He is likely to be with me on delivery, if 
sale occurs.

Joe Alexander

From goodparts at verizon.net  Tue Sep 22 15:50:10 2009
From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:50:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Billet Cams
In-Reply-To: <3BB75B951AF042E89B08BDEEDF39B849@GEOFFPC>
References: <3BB75B951AF042E89B08BDEEDF39B849@GEOFFPC>
Message-ID: <80757D16ED3F473B8B53B617D6D2A0B0@AdminPC>

I have semi-finished chilled iron cams in stock.  Everything is finish 
ground except the lobes.  Contact me off list for pricing.

Regards,
Richard Good
Good Parts

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Geoff Byrne" <gkbyrne at optushome.com.au>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:00 AM
Subject: [Fot] Billet Cams


> FOT
> does any know of a supplier of billet cams for the 6 cyl motor
> Geoff Byrne
> TR6 racer down under
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From rblake36 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 22 21:21:07 2009
From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:21:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TWS Weekend
Message-ID: <811492.63370.qm@web58507.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Just a note to those FOTer's who attended the TWS driver school and race
weekend, I would like to say thanks for making my first outing a sucess. 
Without the help of all, and especially Greg Blake and Bob Kramer, I would not
have enjoyed the weekend near as much as I did.  After an inauspisous (non)
start (read oil leaking all over the start grid on my first run), the car came
back to perform well, in spite of the driver, thanks to Kramer and his
incredible store of spares.  In fact, Bob saved both the Blakes, as Greg
needed a head gasket to finish the weekend.  I look forward to the next TWS
event in November when I plan to show better prepared.  A note to the Missouri
crowd.   When all else fails, just wrap your dipstick with paper towels and
carry on!
 
Bob Blake

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Sep 22 23:19:13 2009
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:19:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Worn Lifters
Message-ID: <C3498E1F-E0BA-486F-861D-EB095D5DFF8B@earthlink.net>

If anybody wants to see some pictures of a set of lifters after 1 race  
weekend in my TR3, let me know, I'll email the pix to you.
I'd like to get your reaction to the photos.

~Steve

From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Wed Sep 23 00:03:48 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 02:03:48 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TWS Weekend
Message-ID: <c40.6731b392.37eb1444@aol.com>

Good one Bob.  Speaking for the Missouri crowd we sure enjoyed our  time 
together and you are absolutely correct in your statements about Bob  Kramer.  
He is always a gentleman and if he doesn't have it he probably  knows where 
to get it.  Your experience at drivers school was not too much  unlike my 
own.  I did the school in February and while that makes for a  little more 
comfort while wearing all the racing duds it also means the oil is  heavy to 
pump in a cold race engine.  We started out Friday with a little  leak which 
we couldn't identify initially.  It continue to grow but not at  an alarming 
pace.  That is until Saturday morning when it was really  cold.  We started 
the car and oil literally poured out of it on the  floor.  I had a busted 
oil cooler AND I had  a mandatory drivers meeting.  You know all about those 
by now!   Anyway, while I was  fretting and worrying Bob and Walt sent me 
off to my meeting and by the time I  got out they had found a new cooler and 
had it installed.  I never missed a  lap!!  That is what a good part of 
Vintage Racing is all about for  me.  I love to race the cars and enjoy learn how 
to do it better but I  really love meeting new friends and the camaraderie 
that comes with Vintage  Racing and especially in the FoT crowd.  I hope to 
make it back down to TWS  in November and already have Hallett on the agenda 
for October.
 
Just keep the shiny side up and welcome to the family!  
 
Cheers,
 
Gary Fuqua
Branson, MO
 
Ps...Think with your dip stick Jimmy!!!!  Ha  ha

From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 23 07:03:02 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:03:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Autobahn?
Message-ID: <785796.23666.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

FOT:
 
Who is planning to be at VSCDA's Autobahn event; October 9 - 11?
 
Ernie

From jaboruch at netzero.net  Wed Sep 23 08:25:19 2009
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:25:19 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Spindle Spacer Shims
Message-ID: <20090923.102519.26423.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com>

Amici, where can I buy a set of shims for the uprated front spindle spacers to
use with Southwick front hubs?  After installing mine recently I put the
leftover shims in a safe place and now I can not find them.  I have looked in
all of the safe places that I can think of, but to no avail.  Joe(B)
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Sep 23 08:56:58 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:56:58 EDT
Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Autobahn?
Message-ID: <cf9.62e522bb.37eb913a@aol.com>

In a message dated 09/23/2009 8:09:56 AM Central Daylight Time, 
ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:


> FOT:
> 
> Who is planning to be at VSCDA's Autobahn event; October 9 - 11?
> 

I am registered to run the Thunder Bolt.  Bob Wismer has to pass on the 
VSCDA Autobahn event because his wife invited family guests to Moline for that 
week end.  I suggested they all come to Joliet for the week end.  But his 
wife wasn't buying into that agenda.

Bill Dentinger

From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Wed Sep 23 08:59:33 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:59:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spindle Spacer Shims
References: <20090923.102519.26423.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <042501ca3c5e$76183210$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Joe, I guess I'm not the only guy who stashes out parts where I'll be sure
to find them later on, then forgets  where I stashed them! I'm in the
process of finding some whitworth wrenches for a friend. Now where did I
leave them?
  As for the spacers, maybe Tony Drews could help you out with some of Uncle
Jacks shims.
  Good luck, Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:25 AM
  Subject: [Fot] Spindle Spacer Shims


  > Amici, where can I buy a set of shims for the uprated front spindle
spacers to
  > use with Southwick front hubs?  After installing mine recently I put the
  > leftover shims in a safe place and now I can not find them.  I have
looked in
  > all of the safe places that I can think of, but to no avail.  Joe(B)
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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Wed Sep 23 09:00:33 2009
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:00:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spindle Spacer Shims
References: <20090923.102519.26423.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <E53A59C6AABB4C1A8DA54D187DC19192@Edscomputer>

Joe,

Strangely, they will be in the last place you look!

Ed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:25 AM
Subject: [Fot] Spindle Spacer Shims


> Amici, where can I buy a set of shims for the uprated front spindle 
> spacers to
> use with Southwick front hubs?  After installing mine recently I put the
> leftover shims in a safe place and now I can not find them.  I have looked 
> in
> all of the safe places that I can think of, but to no avail.  Joe(B)

From bentleyblvd at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 23 09:57:09 2009
From: bentleyblvd at yahoo.com (John Hornbostel)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:57:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Autobahn?
In-Reply-To: <cf9.62e522bb.37eb913a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <935401.23854.qm@web58203.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

We'll be there with the Flying Brick #142. Although car is of Swedish origin,
driver/owner, as always, looks forward to joining with FOT attendees!

John Hornbostel
'63 Vitesse Sports 6

--- On Wed, 9/23/09, BillDentin at aol.com <BillDentin at aol.com> wrote:

> From: BillDentin at aol.com <BillDentin at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] VSCDA Autobahn?
> To: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com, fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 10:56 AM
> In a message dated 09/23/2009 8:09:56
> AM Central Daylight Time,
> ehusmann53 at yahoo.com
> writes:
>
>
> > FOT:
> >
> > Who is planning to be at VSCDA's Autobahn event;
> October 9 - 11?
> >
>
> I am registered to run the Thunder Bolt.  Bob Wismer
> has to pass on the
> VSCDA Autobahn event because his wife invited family guests
> to Moline for that
> week end.  I suggested they all come to Joliet for the
> week end.  But his
> wife wasn't buying into that agenda.
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
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From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Sep 23 10:13:30 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:13:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spindle Spacer Shims
In-Reply-To: <E53A59C6AABB4C1A8DA54D187DC19192@Edscomputer>
References: <20090923.102519.26423.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com>
	<E53A59C6AABB4C1A8DA54D187DC19192@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330909230913r5f429458m8d88064d644993b0@mail.gmail.com>

Naw. they will magically appear a day after you buy new ones.



On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Ed Woods <fogbro1 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Joe,
>
> Strangely, they will be in the last place you look!
>
> Ed
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:25 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Spindle Spacer Shims
>
>
>  Amici, where can I buy a set of shims for the uprated front spindle
>> spacers to
>> use with Southwick front hubs?  After installing mine recently I put the
>> leftover shims in a safe place and now I can not find them.  I have looked
>> in
>> all of the safe places that I can think of, but to no avail.  Joe(B)
>>
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Sep 23 12:21:17 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:21:17 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spindle Spacer Shims
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330909230913r5f429458m8d88064d644993b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090923.102519.26423.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com>
	<E53A59C6AABB4C1A8DA54D187DC19192@Edscomputer>
	<d9f7bd330909230913r5f429458m8d88064d644993b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ABA671D.4060601@bradakis.com>

robert bownes wrote:
> Naw. they will magically appear a day after you buy new ones.
>
>   
I remember years ago cleaning up, threw out this one GT6 part,  Of
course the next weekend I had a broken GT6 and was out scrounging
the junkyards, ending up buying one in slightly worse condition than
the one I tossed, and paid $25 for the privilege.  Sigh.


mjb.

From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Wed Sep 23 14:02:45 2009
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:02:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Not TR but interesting if you like all LBC
Message-ID: <20090923200245.9XBTG.67449.root@cdptpa-web23-z02>

Not TR but a really significant factory Sebring AH Sprite for sale on Ebay. Currently at $185K with over 50 bids. Item # 300348776161.

Bob

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Sep 23 14:32:52 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:32:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] ANYONE GOING TO SCCA RUNOFFS?
Message-ID: <8CC0AA428B8599B-7BFC-18154@webmail-d050.sysops.aol.com>

FOT;



I have an opportunity to go to RUNOFFS. Anyone going to be there?



Contact me if you wish.



Joe Alexander

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Sep 23 16:19:38 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:19:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO BUILDS
Message-ID: <8CC0AB3131E4D29-3838-56F6@webmail-d037.sysops.aol.com>

FOT,



It appears that the last of the AMBRO body kits are leaving their high rack storage.



In the unlikely event you are bent on building one, let me know.



Building one is not for everyone. However,it sure feels good when it can travel from MASON CITY TO MINNEAPOLIS.?



If, however, there is interest, it might influence a decision to produce one, two, or three kits.



No commitment is needed, just interest.



Thanks!? 



Joe A

From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Wed Sep 23 22:22:32 2009
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:22:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] tws part 2
Message-ID: <000001ca3cce$a8e240d0$6401a8c0@blake1>

Part 2
 
New head gasket installed, I had an absolute blast following Bob &
Andrew around Sunday morning (pic below).  I had a strange noise coming
from the rear end one lap after the picture was taken. At the end of the
back straight I pitched it hard into turn 7 and it sounded like the
drive shaft had let go and was bouncing around.  I pulled in to check
things out.  When I drained the diff fluid, it was pretty shinny but non
metallic.  This is a welded diff so I am not too concerned about fine
brass bits in the diff.  Should I be?
 
Dad, Don Couch, and all the other Kramers were watching at the Carousel
as Bob, I, and Andrew came around the Carousel nose to tail.  I think
this was the point at which Dad found his confidence.  Watching Bob
pitch his car around the track let him see what the car could do.  For
the rest of Sunday, Dad was swapping positions with a 914.  At the end
of his sessions he would come in with a very big grin.  I know he is
hooked now.
 
I filled the diff in the 3 and ran again in the afternoon with group 7.
The noise reappeared after lap 3, I thought about coming in again but
decided to just back off a bit and keep driving.  The noise started to
die down a bit towards the end of the race.  Not sure what is going on
with this rear end.  This is the second fresh rear end in so many races.
I'll pull the cover before too long to check things out, again.
 
 
 
Links below to various picture from the weekend.  I'll send out another
link for the best picture of the weekend when Don gets us his photos.
Don??
 
This Dad, Bob Blake, learning the Carousel
http://cafephoto.smugmug.com/CVAR-TWS-9-200/Group-5/Sun-AM2/9709628_XabU
q/1/656590819_t4fof/Medium
 
This is Bob Kramer, AKA spares, borrowing Dad's car for the Sunday am
Group 7 race showing Andrew and I the line.  
 
http://cafephoto.smugmug.com/CVAR-TWS-9-200/Group-7/Sun-AM1/9709692_vJrU
u/6/656627903_AtRU5/Small
 
 
Kramer really does have an amazing amount of knowledge and spares.
Along with the head gasket that he loaned me (I don't plan to give that
one back Bob) I asked for a spare rocker arm adjusting screw/nut and
push rod.  I had a nut back off which resulted in a stripped screw and
mushroomed pushrod.  Bob hands me a complete ready to bolt on rocker set
and a set of 8 push rods, take your pick.  Awesome.  Once again, I would
not have made it through the weekend without him.
 
Thanks for all the help, especially Dad and Bob.  You guys rock.
 
Larry,
 
LOVE THE CAM.  
 
Greg

From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Wed Sep 23 22:22:32 2009
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:22:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW:  TWS Weekend
Message-ID: <000501ca3cce$aa2ff680$6401a8c0@blake1>

Part 1 

It was good to see the Missouri crowd again, and for the record Dad, it
was Walt who got the oil line on your car, not me.  All I did is point
out the massive amounts of fluid being deposited on grid.

Did you guys fix the bug eye yet?

For the rest of the FOT crowd;

I showed up on Friday morning to help Dad get going for the driver's
school and to take some break in laps on the new motor.  As Dad pulled
to grid for the first time, I noticed a bit of fluid coming from the
engine bay.  I opened the hood to find water leaking out of the bottom
radiator hose and oil was leaking from one of the many fittings around
the takeoff plate (so we thought).  I talked to Dad's instructor who
said, he can miss this run but you better hustle and get him ready for
the second run or he is done.  So we pulled it back to the paddock to
look things over.  After closer inspection, one of the oil lines had a
hole.  These are the BSP fitting hoses so I had no spares with me.  We
put Dad in my 3 for the Friday sessions.  He was more than a bit
apprehensive about breaking in my new motor, his instructor told him
that if anything let go, I was to blame not him.  Bob brought a spare
BSP hose on Friday evening and we got Dad's 4 up and running for the
rest of the weekend.

On Saturday with Dad in his own car I could tell he was having more fun,
but something was still missing.  I was not sure what he needed, but he
just did not seem to be settling in.

Andrew was struggling with a bad clutch all day in the Blue TR4.  Dad
decided for Sunday, Bob Kramer should borrow his car so Andrew could get
on track with Bob's Red TR4a.  This was a great idea all around.  I
decided I would run Group 7 with the Kramers if I got my head gasket
fixed Saturday night.

From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Wed Sep 23 21:32:13 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:32:13 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TWS Weekend
Message-ID: <d44.541f4470.37ec423d@aol.com>

Greg it was great to send the weekend with you guys.  We pulled the  motor 
& tranny of the Bugeye yesterday and it was basically a total  loss.  The 
clutch is shot, the tranny is shot, the engine is shot.   The cam may be OK 
not sure on the block or head yet.  It appears that the #  4 rod bearing let 
go which caused a chain reaction of destruction.  The  crank started to fail 
which caused the tranny & clutch to wobble, well you  get the picture.  I 
think that is why they call it racing.  Sure glad  it didn't let go on the 
track at speed.
 
Cheers and hope to see you at Hallett or perhaps I can make it back to TWS  
in November.
 
Gary
63 TR 4 #69

From ofbracing at nefcom.net  Thu Sep 24 19:21:31 2009
From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (ofbracing)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:21:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] No TR, new healey
Message-ID: <75DBDE61BE8842F384FFADA6B877645E@Dell5100Laptop>

>From the Healey list, announcing plans for the new Healey 3000...


"Nanjing Automobile Corp, which thinks it bought the rights to the
Austin-Healey name but probably didn't, announced today it is partnering
with "The Scooter Store" to revive the classic British sports car.  

Company president Dong Mi Han, affectionately known around the company
as DMH", stated, "Given the demographics of former Healey owners, we are
excited to bring back this rememberance of their youth so they can enjoy
"motoring" in their Golden Years."  

In addition to the base model, Nanjing plans to release a limited
edition "LeMans" edition with two-tone paint, wire wheels, and an
uprated battery with louvered cover.  A sound generator will recreate
the distinctive Healey sound.  Price has yet to be announced, but should
be "At little or no cost to you."

From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 24 21:18:38 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:18:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Autobahn?
In-Reply-To: <cf9.62e522bb.37eb913a@aol.com>
References: <cf9.62e522bb.37eb913a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <283158.87090.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'll be there racing the TR4.

Dennis DeLap



> FOT:
> 
> Who is planning
to be at VSCDA's Autobahn event; October 9 - 11?
> 

I am registered to run
the Thunder Bolt.  Bob Wismer has to pass on the 
VSCDA Autobahn event because
his wife invited family guests to Moline for that 
week end.  I suggested they
all come to Joliet for the week end.  But his 
wife wasn't buying into that
agenda.

Bill Dentinger
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 11:11:00 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:11:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
Message-ID: <673993c50909251011w4f8158ar81972cd2e8f996c2@mail.gmail.com>

Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two very quick
Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can work the
draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.

You can watch the live video feed with commentary at www.speedcasttv.com

The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color commentary.

Bob

From triosan at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 13:50:04 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:50:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
In-Reply-To: <673993c50909251011w4f8158ar81972cd2e8f996c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <673993c50909251011w4f8158ar81972cd2e8f996c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909251250o109555b7k4b5556941a00ba9d@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the link.  Gret race going on now also --really good PC video!

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two very quick
> Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can work the
> draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.
>
> You can watch the live video feed with commentary at www.speedcasttv.com
>
> The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color commentary.
>
> Bob
>
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From bownes at seiri.com  Fri Sep 25 14:41:36 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:41:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0909251250o109555b7k4b5556941a00ba9d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <673993c50909251011w4f8158ar81972cd2e8f996c2@mail.gmail.com>
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What a first lap!


On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Chuck Arnold <triosan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the link.  Gret race going on now also --really good PC video!
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two very
> quick
> > Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can work the
> > draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.
> >
> > You can watch the live video feed with commentary at www.speedcasttv.com
> >
> > The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color commentary.
> >
> > Bob
> >
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 25 14:56:18 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:56:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330909251341x7da555d5r32919fa62a8e47ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <384162.16879.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Anyone able to say what the results were?  Inquiring minds want to know.

--- On Fri, 9/25/09, robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com> wrote:


From: robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
To: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 3:41 PM


What a first lap!


On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Chuck Arnold <triosan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the link.  Gret race going on now also --really good PC video!
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two very
> quick
> > Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can work the
> > draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.
> >
> > You can watch the live video feed with commentary at www.speedcasttv.com
> >
> > The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color commentary.
> >
> > Bob
> >
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 15:00:38 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:00:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
In-Reply-To: <384162.16879.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <d9f7bd330909251341x7da555d5r32919fa62a8e47ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<384162.16879.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
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AMAZING race so far. I was/am rooting for Ruck, but the first 8-9 laps or so
have been incredible.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Anyone able to say what the results were?  Inquiring minds want to know.
>
> --- On Fri, 9/25/09, robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
> To: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 3:41 PM
>
>
> What a first lap!
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Chuck Arnold <triosan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the link.  Gret race going on now also --really good PC video!
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two very
> > quick
> > > Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can work
> the
> > > draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.
> > >
> > > You can watch the live video feed with commentary at
> www.speedcasttv.com
> > >
> > > The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color commentary.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
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From bownes at seiri.com  Fri Sep 25 15:07:14 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:07:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
In-Reply-To: <673993c50909251400u1ffef434kf09d7b08afcd4cc8@mail.gmail.com>
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What a battle for 2nd/3rd! 0.063 between 'em.



On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com> wrote:

> AMAZING race so far. I was/am rooting for Ruck, but the first 8-9 laps or
> so have been incredible.
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Anyone able to say what the results were?  Inquiring minds want to know.
>>
>> --- On Fri, 9/25/09, robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
>> To: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>
>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>> Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 3:41 PM
>>
>>
>> What a first lap!
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Chuck Arnold <triosan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks for the link.  Gret race going on now also --really good PC
>> video!
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two very
>> > quick
>> > > Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can work
>> the
>> > > draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.
>> > >
>> > > You can watch the live video feed with commentary at
>> www.speedcasttv.com
>> > >
>> > > The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color
>> commentary.
>> > >
>> > > Bob
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > >
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From triosan at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 15:09:32 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:09:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
In-Reply-To: <384162.16879.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
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	<384162.16879.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
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Sargis was in lead on lap one.  Three cars abreast with room for two, guy
gets hit, comes sidways and wipes out Sargis.  An Acura won.  Great battle
for second between super 7 and miata--6 100's second for Miata.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Anyone able to say what the results were?  Inquiring minds want to know.
>
> --- On *Fri, 9/25/09, robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
> To: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 3:41 PM
>
> What a first lap!
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Chuck Arnold <triosan at gmail.com<http://us.mc576.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=triosan at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the link.  Gret race going on now also --really good PC video!
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com<http://us.mc576.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=adams910 at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> > > Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two very
> > quick
> > > Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can work
> the
> > > draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.
> > >
> > > You can watch the live video feed with commentary at
> www.speedcasttv.com
> > >
> > > The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color commentary.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
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From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Sep 25 19:27:54 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:27:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: CSRG CHARITY CHALLENGE VINTAGE RACES THIS WEEKEND
Message-ID: <6425C0B8A65E434486D8FA736440E4ED@Bud>

----- Original Message -----
From: RACER BUD
To: TTSCC at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:26 PM
Subject: CSRG CHARITY CHALLENGE VINTAGE RACES THIS WEEKEND


Hi Gang
This weekend is the CSRG CHARITY CHALLENGE Vintage Races at Infineon.....We
have 190+ entries this year...Featured marque is CAN-AM...including  a Mark
Donohue Car..We have a Pre-War Group, a Formula Junior Group,a Formula Ford/
Formula B Group,a USRRC group, a Classic GT production car group..and a
historic(classic) Gt & modified group .in which Chuck Hart in His Devin
Triumph, and Racer Bud in his Spitfire will be 'holding off the charges' of 42
competitors of every marque you can imagine...
....And...an exciting opportunity....Spectators can buy 'Hot Laps' in race
Cars..Including Can-Am...Shelby Mustangs...etc...ALL of the proceeds go to
Charity.......
There are Full racing Schedules both days   Saturday is...qualifying in the
morning(for Sat afternoon races)...saturday afternoon races are qualifying
races for sunday's Feauture races....sunday morning is warm up for all
classes...sunday afternoon...Feature races for all groups..
admission is TWENTY BUCKOS for a full weekend pass, which includes complete
paddock access for spectators....The FULL price of your ticket goes to the
SPEEDWAY CHILDRENS CHARITIES....
Hope to see you there Friends!...If you're at the races..Please stop by....Our
Pit Is Your Home(just thought that one up)..(:>)
Racer Bud...Spitfire #21...

From s.janzen at comcast.net  Fri Sep 25 19:55:29 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:55:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0909251409n7f952134sebcfd75641d521f1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f7bd330909251341x7da555d5r32919fa62a8e47ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<384162.16879.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<8cbd782d0909251409n7f952134sebcfd75641d521f1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C451FAC5-5F50-4458-A115-FD2D80CC989F@comcast.net>

Anybody figure out how to view this on a Mac?

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 25, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Chuck Arnold <triosan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sargis was in lead on lap one.  Three cars abreast with room for  
> two, guy
> gets hit, comes sidways and wipes out Sargis.  An Acura won.  Great  
> battle
> for second between super 7 and miata--6 100's second for Miata.
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Ernest Husmann  
> <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Anyone able to say what the results were?  Inquiring minds want to  
>> know.
>>
>> --- On *Fri, 9/25/09, robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video  
>> feed
>> To: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>
>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>> Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 3:41 PM
>>
>> What a first lap!
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Chuck Arnold <triosan at gmail.com<http://us.mc576.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=triosan at gmail.com 
>> >>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the link.  Gret race going on now also --really good PC  
>>> video!
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com<http://us.mc576.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=adams910 at gmail.com 
>>> >>
>> wrote:
>>>> Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two  
>>>> very
>>> quick
>>>> Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can  
>>>> work
>> the
>>>> draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.
>>>>
>>>> You can watch the live video feed with commentary at
>> www.speedcasttv.com
>>>>
>>>> The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color  
>>>> commentary.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 26 07:51:26 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:51:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
In-Reply-To: <C451FAC5-5F50-4458-A115-FD2D80CC989F@comcast.net>
References: <d9f7bd330909251341x7da555d5r32919fa62a8e47ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<384162.16879.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<8cbd782d0909251409n7f952134sebcfd75641d521f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<C451FAC5-5F50-4458-A115-FD2D80CC989F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <673993c50909260651l1a769834gc8f8a2f0feb9f244@mail.gmail.com>

Scott,

Someone posted that this
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/wmcomponents.mspxallowed
them to view it.

From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Sep 26 14:33:24 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:33:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] No TR content, cool videos
Message-ID: <20090926203345.5F15C187667@autox.team.net>

Slow mo camera inside a combustion chamber.  Cool.
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/10/micro_camera_shows_the_working/

Dale Earnhart Jr. flies with the Blue Angels ("I want to join the Navy")
http://www.flixxy.com/blue-angels-aerobatics-jet-airplane.htm

- Tony Drews

From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com  Sat Sep 26 17:15:47 2009
From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:15:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] fot'r for thought
Message-ID: <4ABEA0A3.2010804@twcny.rr.com>

So there I was driving home the long way home from work (~40 miles each 
way) through the back hills of Upstate NY in my old Mustang that was the 
victim of my first mid life crisis. This is a great running car that I 
drive to Watkins fun track days and SCCA autocrosses just for grins -  
it always runs. So I go for third gear moseying across the valley on a 
back country road when BANG the clutch slams to the floor. Now; I'm not 
saying this happened in the same town or even on the same street; but 
this happens RIGHT smack in front of Russ Moore's house (spit racer one 
of you guys told me about and I finally met through the FOT).

What are the odds... He was home and a few tie wraps later and a quick 
garage tour - project update and off I go. WHAT are the odds...

Part of me was glad it happened in front of his house (Chicken) but 
another part of me wonders if it happened because I was in front of his 
house (Egg).

Best,

Mark

From cwnfot at gmail.com  Sat Sep 26 20:36:49 2009
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 22:36:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
In-Reply-To: <673993c50909260651l1a769834gc8f8a2f0feb9f244@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f7bd330909251341x7da555d5r32919fa62a8e47ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<384162.16879.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<8cbd782d0909251409n7f952134sebcfd75641d521f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<C451FAC5-5F50-4458-A115-FD2D80CC989F@comcast.net>
	<673993c50909260651l1a769834gc8f8a2f0feb9f244@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000301ca3f1b$5df62600$19e27200$@com>

Results at
http://www.scca.com/eventresults.aspx?event=13506&hub=1 

Also, if you have the latest Realplayer installed you can record the
broadcast, up to 4 hours, and save it on your hard drive as a .rm file for
later play or burn a CD (as I did).

I missed the FP race however, darn.

Clark

From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Sep 26 20:55:21 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:55:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: FREE BOTTLED WATER at THE GANG'S PIT AREA SUNDAY.INFINEON
Message-ID: <E24450876C344D39B4443BED3EEF6826@Bud>

Hi Gang.....We are going to have bottled water at the Gang's pit area
Sunday...all FREE(as long as it lasts).......please come by and help
yourselves...It's important ...Especially for Children to stay hydrated.....If
We feel Thirsty...WE HAVE ALREADY GONE TOO LONG WITHOUT WATER....
Racer Bud
..

From adams910 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 26 23:11:26 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 01:11:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
In-Reply-To: <000301ca3f1b$5df62600$19e27200$@com>
References: <d9f7bd330909251341x7da555d5r32919fa62a8e47ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<384162.16879.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<8cbd782d0909251409n7f952134sebcfd75641d521f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<C451FAC5-5F50-4458-A115-FD2D80CC989F@comcast.net>
	<673993c50909260651l1a769834gc8f8a2f0feb9f244@mail.gmail.com>
	<000301ca3f1b$5df62600$19e27200$@com>
Message-ID: <673993c50909262211k2648a140nec08e090ffa50bae@mail.gmail.com>

It was posted that they are going to edit and add in-car video before
posting them in about a weeks time. T2, FP, FV, and the last 1/3 of SM are
the races to watch so far.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Clark W. Nicholls <cwnfot at gmail.com>wrote:

> Results at
> http://www.scca.com/eventresults.aspx?event=13506&hub=1
>
> Also, if you have the latest Realplayer installed you can record the
> broadcast, up to 4 hours, and save it on your hard drive as a .rm file for
> later play or burn a CD (as I did).
>
> I missed the FP race however, darn.
>
> Clark

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Sep 27 06:53:17 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:53:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
In-Reply-To: <673993c50909251011w4f8158ar81972cd2e8f996c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <673993c50909251011w4f8158ar81972cd2e8f996c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CC0D889D6EEA69-4D5C-8F6A@webmail-d064.sysops.aol.com>

i am at the runnoffs and just got a signal and will try to use live feed.



re: steve sargis???? bummer!



joe a








-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2009 12:11 pm
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed



Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two very quick
Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can work the
draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.

You can watch the live video feed with commentary at www.speedcasttv.com

The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color commentary.

Bob
You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com

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http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Sep 27 07:41:04 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:41:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] fot'r for thought
In-Reply-To: <4ABEA0A3.2010804@twcny.rr.com>
References: <4ABEA0A3.2010804@twcny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8CC0D8F4AE8F290-988-13627@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com>

TWILIGHT ZONE

home from work (~40 miles each way) through the back hills of Upstate NY in my old Mustang that was the victim of my first mid life crisis. This is a great running car that I drive to Watkins fun track days and SCCA autocrosses just for grins - it always runs. So I go for third gear moseying across the valley on a back country road when BANG the clutch slams to the floor. Now; I'm not saying this happened in the same town or even on the same street; but this happens RIGHT smack in front of Russ Moore's house (spit racer one of you guys told me about and I finally met through the FOT).?
?
What are the odds... He was home and a few tie wraps later and a quick garage tour - project update and off I go. WHAT are the odds...?
?
Part of me was glad it happened in front of his house (Chicken) but another part of me wonders if it happened because I was in front of his house (Egg).?
?
Best,?
?
Mark?



-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Eginton <markconsultation at twcny.rr.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Sep 26, 2009 6:15 pm
Subject: [Fot] fot'r for thought


So there I was driving home the long way home from work (~40 miles each way) through the back hills of Upstate NY in my old Mustang that was the victim of my first mid life crisis. This is a great running car that I drive to Watkins fun track days and SCCA autocrosses just for grins - it always runs. So I go for third gear moseying across the valley on a back country road when BANG the clutch slams to the floor. Now; I'm not saying this happened in the same town or even on the same street; but this happens RIGHT smack in front of Russ Moore's house (spit racer one of you guys told me about and I finally met through the FOT).?
?
What are the odds... He was home and a few tie wraps later and a quick garage tour - project update and off I go. WHAT are the odds...?
?
Part of me was glad it happened in front of his house (Chicken) but another part of me wonders if it happened because I was in front of his house (Egg).?
?
Best,?
?
Mark?
?
_______________________________________________?
?
Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html?
?
http://www.fot-racing.com?
?
You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com?
?
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?

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Sep 27 08:46:26 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:46:26 EDT
Subject: [Fot] VARA does Vegas or VIVA Las VARA?
Message-ID: <be8.5c653363.37f0d4c2@aol.com>

Amici,
 
Who's coming to the Vegas race in a couple weeks?  Heard any rumors on  the 
expected turnout?
 
When arriving?  Should we try for the usual spots?
 
Steve

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Sep 27 09:36:44 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:36:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] paging john nikas
Message-ID: <8CC0D9F73BFE678-C28-13FC5@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com>

i am trying to raise john nikas....thanks!



joe a

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Sep 27 09:40:26 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:40:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] F500snowmobiles on wheels 2:24.9 at Road America HALKIAS on
 board at 4:30PM
Message-ID: <8CC0D9FF7E3C99E-C28-14039@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com>


From dave at microworks.net  Sun Sep 27 10:11:19 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:11:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] F500snowmobiles on wheels 2:24.9 at Road America HALKIAS
 on board at 4:30PM
In-Reply-To: <8CC0D9FF7E3C99E-C28-14039@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC0D9FF7E3C99E-C28-14039@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090927161706.85C1D18766A@autox.team.net>

These cars are a "hoot" to drive.  I wish I had been able to watch 
it.  I understand that these races might be "On Demand" later.

At 08:40 AM 9/27/2009, you wrote:


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From adams910 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 27 16:09:21 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:09:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias wins EP in the rain, laps up to 8th place
Message-ID: <673993c50909271509l75e788ck6a3aacc09c2f1c6f@mail.gmail.com>

Congrats Sam!

-Bob Adams

From adams910 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 27 16:10:10 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias wins EP in the rain, laps up to 8th place
In-Reply-To: <673993c50909271509l75e788ck6a3aacc09c2f1c6f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <673993c50909271509l75e788ck6a3aacc09c2f1c6f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <673993c50909271510i53d4e249s61c8ca874cecb067@mail.gmail.com>

Correction: 10th place

On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Congrats Sam!
>
> -Bob Adams

From fpspitfire at comcast.net  Sun Sep 27 16:12:36 2009
From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:12:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race
Message-ID: <1968121245.4366411254089556744.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

FOT member and TR6 Driver Sam Halkias just won the E-Prod Run-Offs race! 



Who'd of thought the TR6 was the car of choice in the rain. 



Congrats Sam! 



aaron 

#87 HP Spitfire 1500 

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Sun Sep 27 16:14:37 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:14:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>

FLASH


Sam Halkias just won E Production at the SCCA Runoffs at Road America.

Taking the lead during lap 4, Sam walked off to a significant win in the 
rain-shortened race.

Congratualtions, Sam. You are awesome!

The race was broadcast live on the internet on speedcasttv.com

Speedcast will have the race in its entirety available for on-demand 
viewing in a couple of weeks.

Folks, this was an awesome race and it is SO KOOL that Sam finally got the 
top spot on the podium.

Personally, I cannot tell you how psyched I am to report this.

A-W-E-S-O-M-E

Triumph RULES!!!

rml
Bob Lang
New England Triumphs

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Sep 27 16:29:04 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:29:04 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias wins EP in the rain, laps up to 8th place
Message-ID: <cde.54536c0c.37f14130@aol.com>

Good news indeed!  Congratulations Sam!
 
It is a shame about Sargis...
 
 
In a message dated 9/27/2009 3:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
adams910 at gmail.com writes:

Correction: 10th place

On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Bob  Adams <adams910 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Congrats  Sam!
>
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From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net  Sun Sep 27 16:58:04 2009
From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (CHIP COLLINGWOOD)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:58:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FW: Runoffs
Message-ID: <380-22009902722584912@earthlink.net>

Chip Collingwood
69 TR6 Eprod
71 2dr 510 Vintage 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: CHIP COLLINGWOOD 
To: Sam Halkias
Sent: 9/27/2009 6:56:41 PM 
Subject: Runoffs


Sam...

WOW!!!
what a drive...watched all on speedcast tv...wish I could be there getting wet and partying w/ you

Congratulations...you deserve it

Give me a call when you get the time 


Chip Collingwood
69 TR6 Eprod
71 2dr 510 Vintage 

From spyderweb at uwalumni.com  Sun Sep 27 17:05:40 2009
From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (Jim Hill)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:05:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>

Bob Lang wrote:

> FLASH
> Sam Halkias just won E Production at the SCCA Runoffs at Road America.

> Triumph Rules!

Indeed. A forty-year old Triumph wins the National Run-Off in
E-Production?!?

When I went to my firsst SCCA race in 1958, I sure don't recall any races
being won by cars built in 1918   :-)

Congratulations to Sam & the TR6,

Jim Hill

From fasttrs at mindspring.com  Sun Sep 27 17:36:24 2009
From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:36:24 -0600
Subject: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race
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Yeah, he brought a knife to a gun fight but they underestimated the skill
behind the knife! Congratulations Big Sam you're my Hero!

Mike
#28 EP TR6
 

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Subject: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race

FOT member and TR6 Driver Sam Halkias just won the E-Prod Run-Offs race! 



Who'd of thought the TR6 was the car of choice in the rain. 



Congrats Sam! 



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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sun Sep 27 18:13:43 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:13:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
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Well put.
Congrats Sam!!

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Sep 27, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Jim Hill wrote:

> Bob Lang wrote:
>
>> FLASH
>> Sam Halkias just won E Production at the SCCA Runoffs at Road  
>> America.
>
>> Triumph Rules!
>
> Indeed. A forty-year old Triumph wins the National Run-Off in
> E-Production?!?
>
> When I went to my firsst SCCA race in 1958, I sure don't recall any  
> races
> being won by cars built in 1918   :-)
>
> Congratulations to Sam & the TR6,
>
> Jim Hill
>
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From jaxonracing at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 27 18:36:48 2009
From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (jaxonracing at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 00:36:48 +0000
Subject: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race
Message-ID: <mailman.14.1254097984.3237.fot@autox.team.net>

Ha... In sams interview he said he brought a gun to a knife fight.... Which I thought was the quote in reverse but I think he knew all along he was gonna be kicking some ....on his way to the championship... What a weekend... Congratulations to sam for a great drive... It was unbelievable to watch 
------Original Message------
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To: 'Sam Halkias'
Subject: Re: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race
Sent: Sep 27, 2009 7:36 PM

Yeah, he brought a knife to a gun fight but they underestimated the skill
behind the knife! Congratulations Big Sam you're my Hero!

Mike
#28 EP TR6
 

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Subject: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race

FOT member and TR6 Driver Sam Halkias just won the E-Prod Run-Offs race! 



Who'd of thought the TR6 was the car of choice in the rain. 



Congrats Sam! 



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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Sep 27 19:09:03 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:09:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu><3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
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FANTASTIC!...They just can't keep em' down!
Wooohoo!
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Jim Hill" <spyderweb at uwalumni.com>
Cc: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS


> Well put.
> Congrats Sam!!
> 
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
> On Sep 27, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Jim Hill wrote:
> 
>> Bob Lang wrote:
>>
>>> FLASH
>>> Sam Halkias just won E Production at the SCCA Runoffs at Road  
>>> America.
>>
>>> Triumph Rules!
>>
>> Indeed. A forty-year old Triumph wins the National Run-Off in
>> E-Production?!?
>>
>> When I went to my firsst SCCA race in 1958, I sure don't recall any  
>> races
>> being won by cars built in 1918   :-)
>>
>> Congratulations to Sam & the TR6,
>>
>> Jim Hill
>>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Sep 27 19:38:32 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:38:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race
References: <20090928012259.288A4187895@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <7150086E23694DFCBDB3D93F720FEAD4@Bud>

This is Wonderful Wonderful News!..Good Job Sam...and Thanks for what you 
have done...
Racer Bud
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Subject: Re: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race


> Ha... In sams interview he said he brought a gun to a knife fight.... 
> Which I thought was the quote in reverse but I think he knew all along he 
> was gonna be kicking some ....on his way to the championship... What a 
> weekend... Congratulations to sam for a great drive... It was unbelievable 
> to watch
> ------Original Message------
> From: Mike Munson
> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> To: fpspitfire at comcast.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
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> Subject: Re: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race
> Sent: Sep 27, 2009 7:36 PM
>
> Yeah, he brought a knife to a gun fight but they underestimated the skill
> behind the knife! Congratulations Big Sam you're my Hero!
>
> Mike
> #28 EP TR6
>
>
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>
> FOT member and TR6 Driver Sam Halkias just won the E-Prod Run-Offs race!
>
>
>
> Who'd of thought the TR6 was the car of choice in the rain.
>
>
>
> Congrats Sam!
>
>
>
> aaron
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From rjl at gt-classics.com  Sun Sep 27 20:48:12 2009
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:48:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race
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Congratulations Sam!  That's seriously cool!

John

At 07:36 PM 9/27/2009, Mike Munson wrote:
>Yeah, he brought a knife to a gun fight but they underestimated the skill
>behind the knife! Congratulations Big Sam you're my Hero!
>
>Mike
>#28 EP TR6
>
>
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>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race
>
>FOT member and TR6 Driver Sam Halkias just won the E-Prod Run-Offs race!
>
>
>
>Who'd of thought the TR6 was the car of choice in the rain.
>
>
>
>Congrats Sam!
>
>
>
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From mlbruner53 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 28 07:49:15 2009
From: mlbruner53 at yahoo.com (Michael Bruner)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 06:49:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] VARA does Vegas or VIVA Las VARA?
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I'll be there Friday Morning ish, not running Friday just beating the
traffic.

Mike Bruner
TR4A - #612
Blacksmith Racing

--- On Sun, 9/27/09, Gt6steve at aol.com <Gt6steve at aol.com> wrote:


From: Gt6steve at aol.com <Gt6steve at aol.com>
Subject: [Fot] VARA does Vegas or VIVA Las VARA?
To: FOT at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 7:46 AM


Amici,

Who's coming to the Vegas race in a couple weeks?  Heard any rumors on  the
expected turnout?

When arriving?  Should we try for the usual spots?

Steve
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From john at race-dogs.com  Mon Sep 28 10:16:09 2009
From: john at race-dogs.com (John W)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:16:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VARA does Vegas or VIVA Las VARA?
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We'll be there for Half Day test Friday-

JW

John W.
Spitfire #892 DP
240z CP
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Subject: Re: [Fot] VARA does Vegas or VIVA Las VARA?


> I'll be there Friday Morning ish, not running Friday just beating the
> traffic.
>
> Mike Bruner
> TR4A - #612
> Blacksmith Racing
>
> --- On Sun, 9/27/09, Gt6steve at aol.com <Gt6steve at aol.com> wrote:
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> Subject: [Fot] VARA does Vegas or VIVA Las VARA?
> To: FOT at autox.team.net
> Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 7:46 AM
>
>
> Amici,
>
> Who's coming to the Vegas race in a couple weeks?  Heard any rumors on 
> the
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Sep 28 10:33:47 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:33:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <876CF187-9365-4878-9A81-EC417FDDFF65@earthlink.net>
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Watching Sam Halkias on the podium was worth the trip to ROAD AMERICA, by itself.



If they dont crop it out there is a large FOT decal on the podiun with Sam. I got there before the officials did, and did some rearranging..........



There was some decision making at its best by SAM and his CREW. Attention to detail and never putting a wheel in the wrong place.



I hope Sam will have the time to say a few words to the FOT.



Hot wheels just came out with a 'competition' TR6. It should have been done in white with an '83'.



Joe A


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To: Jim Hill <spyderweb at uwalumni.com>
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Sent: Sun, Sep 27, 2009 7:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS



Well put.?
Congrats Sam!!?
?
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer?
TR4 #314?
Albuquerque NM?
On Sep 27, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Jim Hill wrote:?
?
> Bob Lang wrote:?
>?
>> FLASH?
>> Sam Halkias just won E Production at the SCCA Runoffs at Road >> America.?
>?
>> Triumph Rules!?
>?
> Indeed. A forty-year old Triumph wins the National Run-Off in?
> E-Production?!??
>?
> When I went to my firsst SCCA race in 1958, I sure don't recall any > races?
> being won by cars built in 1918 :-)?
>?
> Congratulations to Sam & the TR6,?
>?
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 28 10:50:10 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:50:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
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Message-ID: <29202.28470.qm@web57611.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hey Joe, were you ever in marketing?
 
HInd sight being much better than my normal vision, I'm kicking myself for not
going to Road America yesterday.  To have seen Sam and the #83 take the
checker would have been well worth getting wet.
 
Well done Mr. Halkias and crew!

--- On Mon, 9/28/09, n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:



Watching Sam Halkias on the podium was worth the trip to ROAD AMERICA, by
itself.

If they dont crop it out there is a large FOT decal on the podiun with Sam. I
got there before the officials did, and did some rearranging..........

From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Sep 28 11:08:39 2009
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:08:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <001a01ca405e$53af6eb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>

Sam,

Congrats on the great drive.   You were so smooth and
quick thru turn 3 where i was  watching!
 How great to see a TR win one!

art de armond
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>; <6pack at autox.team.net>
Cc: <net at lists/mv.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:14 PM
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS


> FLASH
>
>
> Sam Halkias just won E Production at the SCCA Runoffs at Road America.
>
> Taking the lead during lap 4, Sam walked off to a significant win in the 
> rain-shortened race.
>
> Congratualtions, Sam. You are awesome!
>
> The race was broadcast live on the internet on speedcasttv.com
>
> Speedcast will have the race in its entirety available for on-demand 
> viewing in a couple of weeks.
>
> Folks, this was an awesome race and it is SO KOOL that Sam finally got the 
> top spot on the podium.
>
> Personally, I cannot tell you how psyched I am to report this.
>
> A-W-E-S-O-M-E
>
> Triumph RULES!!!
>
> rml
> Bob Lang
> New England Triumphs
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 28 13:01:33 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:01:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
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Here are the official results..

http://scca.com/documents/resultfiles/13506_EP_result_final.pdf

From atr6racer at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 28 14:24:48 2009
From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:24:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
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Joe and everyone,



    I just got home after a long post race teardown and a chat with the
Stewards for what turned out to be nothing. I left the track at 9:40 CT last
night, drove 4 hours to somewhere in Indiana and took a nap in my buddy's
motorhome, got up around 9Am and made the balance of the trip back to
Columbus. It just has not sunk in yet. It does feel good! And I did mean to
say I brought a "Gun" to a "Knife" fight. it was a coin flip for choice of
tires, we went with rains with the help of Jim Stouffer with a laptop computer
with live radar, Jack Madison, Gary Martz, Matthew Miller and Mat Carson who
did the tire change on the false grid just before we rolled off for the pace
lap. Without Friends, this sport would be boring! Thanks all!



Sam

> To: Lunkercars at earthlink.net; spyderweb at uwalumni.com
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:33:47 -0400
> From: n197tr4 at cs.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
>
> Watching Sam Halkias on the podium was worth the trip to ROAD AMERICA, by
itself.
>
>
>
> If they dont crop it out there is a large FOT decal on the podiun with Sam.
I got there before the officials did, and did some rearranging..........
>
>
>
> There was some decision making at its best by SAM and his CREW. Attention to
detail and never putting a wheel in the wrong place.
>
>
>
> I hope Sam will have the time to say a few words to the FOT.
>
>
>
> Hot wheels just came out with a 'competition' TR6. It should have been done
in white with an '83'.
>
>
>
> Joe A
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
> To: Jim Hill <spyderweb at uwalumni.com>
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sun, Sep 27, 2009 7:13 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
>
>
>
> Well put.?
> Congrats Sam!!?
> ?
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer?
> TR4 #314?
> Albuquerque NM?
> On Sep 27, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Jim Hill wrote:?
> ?
> > Bob Lang wrote:?
> >?
> >> FLASH?
> >> Sam Halkias just won E Production at the SCCA Runoffs at Road >>
America.?
> >?
> >> Triumph Rules!?
> >?
> > Indeed. A forty-year old Triumph wins the National Run-Off in?
> > E-Production?!??
> >?
> > When I went to my firsst SCCA race in 1958, I sure don't recall any >
races?
> > being won by cars built in 1918 :-)?
> >?
> > Congratulations to Sam & the TR6,?
> >?
> > Jim Hill?
> >?
> > _______________________________________________?
> >?
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From spyderweb at uwalumni.com  Mon Sep 28 14:37:06 2009
From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (Jim Hill)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:37:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <673993c50909281201n29f9b9ddm4bc0e28a4d08e45c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
	<001a01ca405e$53af6eb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
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Unfortunately, the three Spits in F-Prod didn't fare as well this year, with
only Chris Patrick making it past the second lap to finish 16th -- although
the Steve Sargis 1500 Spitfire had started on the pole.

http://scca.com/documents/resultfiles/13506_FP_result_final.pdf

JR Hill

From deanesr at uncw.edu  Mon Sep 28 14:43:17 2009
From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:43:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <SNT119-W2894600B2536367905347FF9D60@phx.gbl>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu><3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
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Good Job, we're all proud of you!

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Sam Halkias
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 4:25 PM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; lunkercars at earthlink.net; spyderweb at uwalumni.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS

Joe and everyone,



    I just got home after a long post race teardown and a chat with the
Stewards for what turned out to be nothing. I left the track at 9:40 CT last
night, drove 4 hours to somewhere in Indiana and took a nap in my buddy's
motorhome, got up around 9Am and made the balance of the trip back to
Columbus. It just has not sunk in yet. It does feel good! And I did mean to
say I brought a "Gun" to a "Knife" fight. it was a coin flip for choice of
tires, we went with rains with the help of Jim Stouffer with a laptop
computer
with live radar, Jack Madison, Gary Martz, Matthew Miller and Mat Carson who
did the tire change on the false grid just before we rolled off for the pace
lap. Without Friends, this sport would be boring! Thanks all!



Sam

> To: Lunkercars at earthlink.net; spyderweb at uwalumni.com
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:33:47 -0400
> From: n197tr4 at cs.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
>
> Watching Sam Halkias on the podium was worth the trip to ROAD AMERICA, by
itself.
>
>
>
> If they dont crop it out there is a large FOT decal on the podiun with Sam.
I got there before the officials did, and did some rearranging..........
>
>
>
> There was some decision making at its best by SAM and his CREW. Attention
to
detail and never putting a wheel in the wrong place.
>
>
>
> I hope Sam will have the time to say a few words to the FOT.
>
>
>
> Hot wheels just came out with a 'competition' TR6. It should have been done
in white with an '83'.
>
>
>
> Joe A
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
> To: Jim Hill <spyderweb at uwalumni.com>
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sun, Sep 27, 2009 7:13 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
>
>
>
> Well put.?
> Congrats Sam!!?
> ?
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer?
> TR4 #314?
> Albuquerque NM?
> On Sep 27, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Jim Hill wrote:?
> ?
> > Bob Lang wrote:?
> >?
> >> FLASH?
> >> Sam Halkias just won E Production at the SCCA Runoffs at Road >>
America.?
> >?
> >> Triumph Rules!?
> >?
> > Indeed. A forty-year old Triumph wins the National Run-Off in?
> > E-Production?!??
> >?
> > When I went to my firsst SCCA race in 1958, I sure don't recall any >
races?
> > being won by cars built in 1918 :-)?
> >?
> > Congratulations to Sam & the TR6,?
> >?
> > Jim Hill?
> >?
> > _______________________________________________?
> >?
> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html?
> >?
> > http://www.fot-racing.com?
> >?
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Sep 28 15:54:14 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:54:14 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife race - Eifelrennen
In-Reply-To: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E0945178CA63731@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu>
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A little report from the Eifelrace:

At Thursday all arrived at the trackside. All, that means the CSCC and the
Triumph Competition drivers.
There was a little rain that got less towards evening. The weather forecast
did show sunny weather.
All did pass the technical scruteneering.
I was part of the Red Baron Team around Jo Willams. He and his mechanics
took care for our cars.
The team consisted out of 4 cars and drivers:
Stephan Schamschula - TR6 PI
Mark Richards - TR7 V8 3.9L
K.P. Mutschler / U. Markovac - TR4
Christian Marx - TR4

After rising the big truck tent and having some beer for the night Jo, Mark
and me went into our sleeping bags in the truck for the night. I never had
snoring in stereo but my sleep mates let me share this so I could forget
about sleeping with that much noise.
The next morning took long to come. But the mood of the group was excellent.
Mark was so excited to get finally on the track. 

At Friday morning around 10.00am was the first practice session. We entered
track. After a warming up lap on the GP track the order was "pedal to the
metal" and here we go.
After a 3/4 lap on the GP track we entered the exit to the Nordschleife. Wow
- diving down to the Hatzenbach following the fast sweepers, then the track
opens to the main part and the lots of full throttle on almost straights and
the pleasant to drive corners with jumps and bumps.

Fastest of the Team Red Baron was Mark Richards. He did a great ride in his
TR7 V8. Me was doing okay. Max speed of my car was 129 mph. Mark did a solid
11:20  and me a low 11:30.

At Saturday the practice was at 8:30. Very early. Cold tires, some fog at
some stages, and a little wet through the fogging. So the laptimes went down
compared with the Friday run.
After 3 laps the engine heated up very quickly. The others had no trouble
but were slower than on Friday.
We worked on the cooling system but didn't changed the head gasket. A
failure as been seen on the next day.

Sunday - race day.
We all gridded on the start / finish straight. About 150 cars lined up for
the race.
Mark and me stood side by side. The flags were waved and the field moved for
the information lap, a full lap of 25 km length. During this lap the engine
went hot again and while the start happened I directly drove into the
pitlane and stopped at the team pit. A lot of water was gone, the thermostat
was removed, some other things they tried after I several times came in from
a short GP track lap. So I ended up the race stranded somewhere on the
track.

Mark did a wonderful job. He managed to win the group and class after the
leading Corvette retired.
The other TR4 with K.P. Mutschler / U. Markovac won their class and Stephan
Schamschula won his class.

After all a successful weekend with jolly good fun, some party and price
giving.

I could bet that the CSCC will return next year to have another go.

Cheers
Chris

From dave at microworks.net  Mon Sep 28 16:43:22 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:43:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
Message-ID: <20090928224359.EC2AD187651@autox.team.net>

Nice write-up about the race and a photo of the car in the rain

http://www.racingwire.info/index.php/club-racing/301-scca-club-21st-time-is-a-charm-for-halkias-in-e-production

From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon Sep 28 17:16:30 2009
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:16:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <20090928224359.EC2AD187651@autox.team.net>
References: <20090928224359.EC2AD187651@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000801ca4091$b706c430$25144c90$@racer@comcast.net>

Sam's win reminds one of another Triumph racer who waited years to finally
win an SCCA Championship - Hardy Prentice.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of David W. Riddle
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 3:43 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS

Nice write-up about the race and a photo of the car in the rain

http://www.racingwire.info/index.php/club-racing/301-scca-club-21st-time-is-
a-charm-for-halkias-in-e-production
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From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net  Mon Sep 28 19:48:04 2009
From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:48:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] NewsFlash:Sports car wins SCCA EP
Message-ID: <4AC16754.5090305@cyberspeedway.net>

Something strange has happened in a Sports Car Club of America
production car national championship. It seems that a traditional sports
car has won among a field of mostly sedans. Did the earth's axis shift? 
Maybe it's the lack of sunspots.

Greg Lund

From bownes at seiri.com  Mon Sep 28 20:15:49 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:15:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] NewsFlash:Sports car wins SCCA EP
In-Reply-To: <4AC16754.5090305@cyberspeedway.net>
References: <4AC16754.5090305@cyberspeedway.net>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330909281915p15db4665n32cd21702673ada3@mail.gmail.com>

I put it to the wisdom of a great driver choosing a great car.

Sometimes I really miss racing a production car....

Bob
76 TR6
73 TR6
68 GT-6
73 GT-6
98 Mysterian FV :)



On 9/28/09, greg <gtlund at cyberspeedway.net> wrote:
> Something strange has happened in a Sports Car Club of America
> production car national championship. It seems that a traditional sports
> car has won among a field of mostly sedans. Did the earth's axis shift?
> Maybe it's the lack of sunspots.
>
> Greg Lund
>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Sep 28 20:33:17 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:33:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] NewsFlash:Sports car wins SCCA EP
References: <4AC16754.5090305@cyberspeedway.net>
Message-ID: <780486BFF835425B96C1DC224ACB91E3@Bud>

I hope the Earth's axis didn't shift..I live in a Coastal State(:>)
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "FOT LIST" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 6:48 PM
Subject: [Fot] NewsFlash:Sports car wins SCCA EP


> Something strange has happened in a Sports Car Club of America
> production car national championship. It seems that a traditional sports
> car has won among a field of mostly sedans. Did the earth's axis shift? 
> Maybe it's the lack of sunspots.
> 
> Greg Lund
> 
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> 
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From dave at microworks.net  Mon Sep 28 20:45:34 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:45:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pixs from Portland
Message-ID: <20090929024638.CE4DC18786C@autox.team.net>

I just published the new issue of our Newsletter.  One of our 
members, Jim Bauder, was up in Portland for the races.

During his extended roadtrip in his restored TR-250 he has been 
submitting dispatches and photos that I have been putting in our 
newsletter.  He got some nice photos.  Thought you guys might like to see them.

The new issue is here: http://www.dctra.org/News/Oct2009.pdf

Archive going back to 2003: http://www.dctra.org/?page_id=32

From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Sep 28 21:12:18 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:12:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] IT'S A GREAT LIFE!..Thanks Gang
Message-ID: <ADF7740DB5C049ABA1DA7FC745268E63@Bud>

Before I head off to my Enchiladas/Manicotti(I forgot to buy Enchilada Sauce
so I'm using Modified Spaghetti Sauce)....Thanks to all of you for your
wonderful communication..The FOT is a Very Helpful Venue...Full of
Friends...The tech stuff is Terrific....The Friendship goes Waaay Beyond
That..I Appeciate It Greatly
Keep Going Gang!
Racer Bud

From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Sep 28 22:00:04 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:00:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: CSRG Thunderhill Race HOTEL ROOM STUFF HURRY UP!
Message-ID: <6AA0123A7B8F47C99B9D2A30A0DA2E5A@Bud>

Hi Gang....
For those of you racing at Thunderhill on Halloween Weekend...This is also the
Opening weekend of Pheasant Season, so Hotel Rooms are becoming in short
Supply...and...The Best Western Golden Pheasant is now a Travelodge(same place
and same Mexican Restaurant)..The DIRECT PHONE # IS 530 934-4603..
Racer Bud

From gasket.works at verizon.net  Mon Sep 28 22:54:54 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:54:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
	<001a01ca405e$53af6eb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
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Now my son has some motivation to get his TR6 together and be that "Padewan 
Lerner".
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 29 07:02:59 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 06:02:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] NewsFlash:Sports car wins SCCA EP
In-Reply-To: <4AC16754.5090305@cyberspeedway.net>
Message-ID: <430885.719.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Nothing so scientific, just the cream rising to the top.

--- On Mon, 9/28/09, greg <gtlund at cyberspeedway.net> wrote:


From: greg <gtlund at cyberspeedway.net>
Subject: [Fot] NewsFlash:Sports car wins SCCA EP
To: "FOT LIST" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 8:48 PM


Something strange has happened in a Sports Car Club of America
production car national championship. It seems that a traditional sports
car has won among a field of mostly sedans. Did the earth's axis shift? Maybe it's the lack of sunspots.

Greg Lund
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From triosan at gmail.com  Tue Sep 29 08:18:16 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:18:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <002c01ca40c0$fe7c2dd0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
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Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909290718s6887723et6ec79cdf7d0d6a37@mail.gmail.com>

Just

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:54 PM, MORDY DUNST <gasket.works at verizon.net>
wrote:
> Now my son has some motivation to get his TR6 together and be that "Padewan
> Lerner".

Great job Sam -- did not know you had spent so much time up here in
the Pacific Northwest where a dry track is a blessing.

 Mordy, Be sure you know where you want to run it -- no way Sam's TR6
could run in Vintage.  Kas would have loved the TVR independent rear
end or the 4 wheel vented disks, fender flairs, larger diameter and
width tires, 5 speed tranny [and the triple webers and Lord knows what
else].

My '69 TR6 is built to the '69 GCR's -- does not even have an air dam.
 Not knocking you Sam, just pointing out it is not a TR6 as we knew
them -- but then I doubt that any of the Miata's in the race resemble
their street/showroom stock brethren.  It is hard enough keeping my
car running --cannot imagine how much work it takes to make that
championship car running in top form.

Chuck


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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Sep 29 08:45:11 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:45:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife race - Eifelrennen
Message-ID: <bc1.5ab40cbd.37f37777@aol.com>

In a message dated 09/28/2009 5:05:01 PM Central Daylight Time, 
tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:


> After rising the big truck tent and having some beer for the night Jo, 
> Mark
> and me went into our sleeping bags in the truck for the night. I never had
> snoring in stereo but my sleep mates let me share this so I could forget
> about sleeping with that much noise.  The next morning took long to come. 
> But the mood of the group was excellent.  Mark was so excited to get 
> finally on the track. 
> 
Chris...
There's a tricky fix for that snoring problem.  Get up out of that sleeping 
bag, and very quickly kiss each of them right on the lips.  Then get back 
into your sleeping bag (zip it up tightly).  I'll guarantee you...your mates 
will stay awake the rest of the night, with their eyes wide open...watching 
you.  You can sleep like a baby.
Bill (Damdinger)

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Sep 29 08:56:55 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:56:55 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife race - Eifelrennen
In-Reply-To: <bc1.5ab40cbd.37f37777@aol.com>
References: <bc1.5ab40cbd.37f37777@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004901ca4115$18f68c10$4ae3a430$@com>

Hi Bill,

Ill wait for you, till we meet at the trackside somewhere, then Ill
try..please get shaved before.

Cheers
Chris

Von: BillDentin at aol.com [mailto:BillDentin at aol.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. September 2009 16:45
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife race - Eifelrennen

In a message dated 09/28/2009 5:05:01 PM Central Daylight Time,
tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:




After rising the big truck tent and having some beer for the night Jo, Mark
and me went into our sleeping bags in the truck for the night. I never had
snoring in stereo but my sleep mates let me share this so I could forget
about sleeping with that much noise.  The next morning took long to come.
But the mood of the group was excellent.  Mark was so excited to get finally
on the track.

Chris...
There's a tricky fix for that snoring problem.  Get up out of that sleeping
bag, and very quickly kiss each of them right on the lips.  Then get back
into your sleeping bag (zip it up tightly).  I'll guarantee you...your mates
will stay awake the rest of the night, with their eyes wide open...watching
you.  You can sleep like a baby.
Bill (Damdinger)

From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Sep 29 09:03:08 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:03:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Sam's TR-6
Message-ID: <3CA98669F619405ABD5434EAD1D0D12D@KasPC>

Sam's car is a mixture of Triumph and other parts for certain. I have done a
long story on his car for the book I am working on.  Some of the things he has
done and how he did them are really brilliant. His competition has had the
advantage of over 30 years modern technology  and study (make that comparison
in engines) and who also have the SCCA regulations in their hands.

The SCCA is the party that determines the regulations, and all Sam has done is
bring a really nice car up to the standard that these regulations seem to
admire.

It is truly wonderful to see Sam rewarded for his hard work, great driving and
perseverance over the years to be the CHAMPION. In addition, he won it in
conditions where a cool head takes precedence over modern car engineering. It
is indeed a pleasure to know Sam.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Kas Kastner.vcf]

From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Sep 29 09:12:19 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:12:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pixs from Portland
References: <20090929024638.CE4DC18786C@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4FBB43C5698B4B6AB19A0DF7FE69BBB3@Charly>

I have some pictures from Portland to share as well.  If anyone has some I 
can add, feel free to forward them to me.
Thanks,
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

http://uploadingit.com/f/JM5IWVBYMCWY2DYG


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 7:45 PM
Subject: [Fot] Pixs from Portland


>I just published the new issue of our Newsletter.  One of our members, Jim 
>Bauder, was up in Portland for the races.
>
> During his extended roadtrip in his restored TR-250 he has been submitting 
> dispatches and photos that I have been putting in our newsletter.  He got 
> some nice photos.  Thought you guys might like to see them.
>
> The new issue is here: http://www.dctra.org/News/Oct2009.pdf
>
> Archive going back to 2003: http://www.dctra.org/?page_id=32
>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Sep 29 09:48:08 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:48:08 +0200
Subject: [Fot]  Nordschleife race - Eifelrennen [video]
Message-ID: <005b01ca411c$3f70b080$be521180$@com>

Maybe there might be interrest in a video of one lap:
 
http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5386911069380752722 
 
(might need a few minutes to appear)
 
Cheers
Chris 

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue Sep 29 09:51:38 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:51:38 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Sam's TR-6
Message-ID: <bdf.5c83e8a5.37f3870a@cs.com>

Kas,

I am hoping that the organizers of the next Kastner Cup will be able to 
invite Sam to Heartland Park next August and that he will be able to join us.

This would be quite special........

Joe A

> Sam's car is a mixture of Triumph and other parts for certain. I have 
> done a
> long story on his car for the book I am working on.  Some of the things he 
> has
> done and how he did them are really brilliant. His competition has had the
> advantage of over 30 years modern technology  and study (make that 
> comparison
> in engines) and who also have the SCCA regulations in their hands.
> 
> The SCCA is the party that determines the regulations, and all Sam has 
> done is
> bring a really nice car up to the standard that these regulations seem to
> admire.
> 
> It is truly wonderful to see Sam rewarded for his hard work, great driving 
> and
> perseverance over the years to be the CHAMPION. In addition, he won it in
> conditions where a cool head takes precedence over modern car engineering. 
> It
> is indeed a pleasure to know Sam.
> 
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name 
> of Kas Kastner.vcf]

From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Tue Sep 29 10:51:09 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:51:09 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Sam's TR-6
Message-ID: <d47.46dcb87a.37f394fd@aol.com>

All we need to have is his contact information and he will receive a  
special invite.
 
Gary

From Catpusher at aol.com  Tue Sep 29 11:10:46 2009
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:10:46 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Sam did warn them!
Message-ID: <d1f.4a7988ee.37f39996@aol.com>

When your long time listed sponsor is a boat marina, who could be  
surprised that Sam would be brilliant in the wet! 
 Not that his many years of dedicated effort were a secret as  well.
 
Spot on Sam
 
Hardy

From gasket.works at verizon.net  Tue Sep 29 11:11:42 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works USA)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:11:42 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Sam's TR-6
Message-ID: <2049505336.58925.1254244302304.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net>


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Tue Sep 29 12:57:23 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:57:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <002c01ca40c0$fe7c2dd0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
	<001a01ca405e$53af6eb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<002c01ca40c0$fe7c2dd0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0613CA4DAB@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

I had no idea what Mordy was referencing. From the Wiki-wackos:

Jedi Padawan/Apprentice: A Youngling that successfully completes their
respective level of training undergoes Padawan apprentice training under the
tutelage of a Jedi Knight or Jedi Master. As a rite of passage and the final
test before the trials to knighthood, Padawans must build their own
lightsabers. In the Old Republic, male Human Padawans usually wore braids in
their hair that were removed upon attaining knighthood.

Therefore I see why the Mordy the younger must build his own TR6. We await the
color choice and unique operation of the cut-off/on switch. I assume he wears
a pony-tail. There is no question about Mordy's Master status.


Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of MORDY DUNST
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:55 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS

Now my son has some motivation to get his TR6 together and be that "Padewan
Lerner".
Mordy

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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Tue Sep 29 13:07:35 2009
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:07:35 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife race - Eifelrennen [video]
Message-ID: <20090929.130736.5576.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Chris,
That was fun. I also enjoyed SPA, but lost that link. You get to play in
very cool places!
Thanks,
Bill
 
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:48:08 +0200 "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
writes:
> Maybe there might be interrest in a video of one lap:
>  
> http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5386911069380752722 
>  
> (might need a few minutes to appear)
>  
> Cheers
> Chris 
> 
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From dave at microworks.net  Tue Sep 29 17:57:33 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:57:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] This hurt...
Message-ID: <20090929235852.20F41187645@autox.team.net>

	Last night I just finished publishing the new issue of our Triumph 
Club's newsletter (has some nice shots of the races in Portland last month)

http://www.dctra.org/News/Oct2009.pdf

	This afternoon I opened a new Adobe InDesign file to start laying 
out the November issue - that way I can add content across the month 
rather than try to put the whole thing together in one go.

	Anyway, Looking for some content to put on the "Funnies" page I came 
across this list.

http://www.geocities.com/pontiacgto1974/racer.html

	The last item on the list really hurt. "After you tell your wife 
where you'd like to go on your vacation she answers: "Why... is there 
a race there?"  That one hurt!  Just this past weekend I told my wife 
that next year we were going to take a vacation to return to Korea 
where we lived for the first few years of our Marriage.  The fact the 
FIA had announced that very same day that Korea was being added to 
the 2010 F1 Season schedule had NOTHING to do with these vacation plans.

	Hopefully enough years have passed that the my Passport won't flag 
me to become a "guest of the state" for espionage which caused us to 
leave there in the first place!

From quicktr4 at comcast.net  Tue Sep 29 23:25:08 2009
From: quicktr4 at comcast.net (quicktr4)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:25:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] tws part 2
References: <000001ca3cce$a8e240d0$6401a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <27C2647BB64D49FDB8F5E8C86B5FC3E9@quickfure2vk6w>

trany mount is broken been there!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:22 PM
Subject: [Fot] tws part 2


> Part 2
> 
> New head gasket installed, I had an absolute blast following Bob &
> Andrew around Sunday morning (pic below).  I had a strange noise coming
> from the rear end one lap after the picture was taken. At the end of the
> back straight I pitched it hard into turn 7 and it sounded like the
> drive shaft had let go and was bouncing around.  I pulled in to check
> things out.  When I drained the diff fluid, it was pretty shinny but non
> metallic.  This is a welded diff so I am not too concerned about fine
> brass bits in the diff.  Should I be?
> 
> Dad, Don Couch, and all the other Kramers were watching at the Carousel
> as Bob, I, and Andrew came around the Carousel nose to tail.  I think
> this was the point at which Dad found his confidence.  Watching Bob
> pitch his car around the track let him see what the car could do.  For
> the rest of Sunday, Dad was swapping positions with a 914.  At the end
> of his sessions he would come in with a very big grin.  I know he is
> hooked now.
> 
> I filled the diff in the 3 and ran again in the afternoon with group 7.
> The noise reappeared after lap 3, I thought about coming in again but
> decided to just back off a bit and keep driving.  The noise started to
> die down a bit towards the end of the race.  Not sure what is going on
> with this rear end.  This is the second fresh rear end in so many races.
> I'll pull the cover before too long to check things out, again.
> 
> 
> 
> Links below to various picture from the weekend.  I'll send out another
> link for the best picture of the weekend when Don gets us his photos.
> Don??
> 
> This Dad, Bob Blake, learning the Carousel
> http://cafephoto.smugmug.com/CVAR-TWS-9-200/Group-5/Sun-AM2/9709628_XabU
> q/1/656590819_t4fof/Medium
> 
> This is Bob Kramer, AKA spares, borrowing Dad's car for the Sunday am
> Group 7 race showing Andrew and I the line.  
> 
> http://cafephoto.smugmug.com/CVAR-TWS-9-200/Group-7/Sun-AM1/9709692_vJrU
> u/6/656627903_AtRU5/Small
> 
> 
> Kramer really does have an amazing amount of knowledge and spares.
> Along with the head gasket that he loaned me (I don't plan to give that
> one back Bob) I asked for a spare rocker arm adjusting screw/nut and
> push rod.  I had a nut back off which resulted in a stripped screw and
> mushroomed pushrod.  Bob hands me a complete ready to bolt on rocker set
> and a set of 8 push rods, take your pick.  Awesome.  Once again, I would
> not have made it through the weekend without him.
> 
> Thanks for all the help, especially Dad and Bob.  You guys rock.
> 
> Larry,
> 
> LOVE THE CAM.  
> 
> Greg
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From GRMTim at aol.com  Wed Sep 30 05:09:41 2009
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:09:41 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Jay Leno video on Group 44 GT6+
Message-ID: <cec.641ab3c3.37f49675@aol.com>

Thought you guys might like to check this out:

http://classicmotorsports.net/forum/classic-cars/triumph-group-44-gt6-featured-on-jay-lenos-garage-/14487/page1/

Tim Suddard
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and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Sep 30 07:57:40 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:57:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Jay Leno video on Group 44 GT6+
In-Reply-To: <cec.641ab3c3.37f49675@aol.com>
References: <cec.641ab3c3.37f49675@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090930135754.8AE27187671@autox.team.net>

Very cool.  Congratulations on doing a video with Jay!

- Tony

At 06:09 AM 9/30/2009, GRMTim at aol.com wrote:
>Thought you guys might like to check this out:
>
>http://classicmotorsports.net/forum/classic-cars/triumph-group-44-gt6-featured-on-jay-lenos-garage-/14487/page1/
>
>Tim Suddard
>Publisher; Classic Motorsports
>and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
>www.classicmotorsports.net
>www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
>Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040

From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Wed Sep 30 10:04:34 2009
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:04:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A timely item from Hot Wheels
Message-ID: <20090930.100434.3148.1.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Just received a new car by Hot Wheels that is very cool in light of the
news from the SCCA Runoffs. Offering #33 of 42 or 190, in the 2009 new
models is a Triumph TR6 (1969). Dressed as a racer, one - seven green
looks quite vintage with number balls, twin stripes front to back, cut
down windscreen, rear and cross braced roll bar (cross braced the wrong
way for its RHD driver position), air dam, nice details, and some sponsor
graphics that my eyes can't resolve. The packaging also sports a nice
illustration and information about the car.
Amazing for Hot Wheels these days, the wheels actually look as if they
belong on the car!
Collect them all!
Bill
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From andre at gt6.ca  Wed Sep 30 10:44:17 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:44:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] A timely item from Hot Wheels
In-Reply-To: <20090930.100434.3148.1.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
References: <20090930.100434.3148.1.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4362ae390909300944g2207bb99od0b3c713ef83740e@mail.gmail.com>

I picked up the #17 TR6 Hot Wheels car the other day from Walmart.

http://temp.justdrive.ca/17-triumphtr6.jpg

Tres cool.

If I had been able to find a 2nd I would have pulled one out of the package :)

A.

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2009/9/30 William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com>:
> Just received a new car by Hot Wheels that is very cool in light of the
> news from the SCCA Runoffs. Offering #33 of 42 or 190, in the 2009 new
> models is a Triumph TR6 (1969). Dressed as a racer, one - seven green
> looks quite vintage with number balls, twin stripes front to back, cut
> down windscreen, rear and cross braced roll bar (cross braced the wrong
> way for its RHD driver position), air dam, nice details, and some sponsor
> graphics that my eyes can't resolve. The packaging also sports a nice
> illustration and information about the car.
> Amazing for Hot Wheels these days, the wheels actually look as if they
> belong on the car!
> Collect them all!
> Bill
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Wed Sep 30 13:09:25 2009
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:09:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A timely item from Hot Wheels
Message-ID: <20090930.130925.3148.5.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

I like the white.
Wonder what others are out there?
Bill
 
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:44:17 -0400 Andre Rousseau <andre at gt6.ca> writes:
> I picked up the #17 TR6 Hot Wheels car the other day from Walmart.
> 
> http://temp.justdrive.ca/17-triumphtr6.jpg
> 
> Tres cool.
> 
> If I had been able to find a 2nd I would have pulled one out of the 
> package :)
> 
> A.
> 
> -- 
> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
> '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
> Ottawa, ON, Canada
> 
> 
> 2009/9/30 William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com>:
> > Just received a new car by Hot Wheels that is very cool in light 
> of the
> > news from the SCCA Runoffs. Offering #33 of 42 or 190, in the 2009 
> new
> > models is a Triumph TR6 (1969). Dressed as a racer, one - seven 
> green
> > looks quite vintage with number balls, twin stripes front to back, 
> cut
> > down windscreen, rear and cross braced roll bar (cross braced the 
> wrong
> > way for its RHD driver position), air dam, nice details, and some 
> sponsor
> > graphics that my eyes can't resolve. The packaging also sports a 
> nice
> > illustration and information about the car.
> > Amazing for Hot Wheels these days, the wheels actually look as if 
> they
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> > Collect them all!
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From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Sep 30 13:42:52 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:42:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] A timely item from Hot Wheels
In-Reply-To: <20090930.130925.3148.5.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
References: <20090930.130925.3148.5.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330909301242n29a5e70blc7ec8e0519b3aac@mail.gmail.com>

So who is organizing the group buy? :)

Not it!




On 9/30/09, William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com> wrote:
> I like the white.
> Wonder what others are out there?
> Bill
>
> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:44:17 -0400 Andre Rousseau <andre at gt6.ca> writes:
>> I picked up the #17 TR6 Hot Wheels car the other day from Walmart.
>>
>> http://temp.justdrive.ca/17-triumphtr6.jpg
>>
>> Tres cool.
>>
>> If I had been able to find a 2nd I would have pulled one out of the
>> package :)
>>
>> A.
>>
>> --
>> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
>> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
>> '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
>> Ottawa, ON, Canada
>>
>>
>> 2009/9/30 William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com>:
>> > Just received a new car by Hot Wheels that is very cool in light
>> of the
>> > news from the SCCA Runoffs. Offering #33 of 42 or 190, in the 2009
>> new
>> > models is a Triumph TR6 (1969). Dressed as a racer, one - seven
>> green
>> > looks quite vintage with number balls, twin stripes front to back,
>> cut
>> > down windscreen, rear and cross braced roll bar (cross braced the
>> wrong
>> > way for its RHD driver position), air dam, nice details, and some
>> sponsor
>> > graphics that my eyes can't resolve. The packaging also sports a
>> nice
>> > illustration and information about the car.
>> > Amazing for Hot Wheels these days, the wheels actually look as if
>> they
>> > belong on the car!
>> > Collect them all!
>> > Bill
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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Wed Sep 30 13:54:30 2009
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:54:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] A timely item from Hot Wheels
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330909301242n29a5e70blc7ec8e0519b3aac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090930.130925.3148.5.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
	<d9f7bd330909301242n29a5e70blc7ec8e0519b3aac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00b501ca4207$d3a60e80$7af22b80$@net>

Robert WILL

Craig


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Behalf Of robert bownes
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:43 PM
To: William G Rosenbach; andre at gt6.ca; FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] A timely item from Hot Wheels

So who is organizing the group buy? :)

Not it!




On 9/30/09, William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com> wrote:
> I like the white.
> Wonder what others are out there?
> Bill
>
> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:44:17 -0400 Andre Rousseau <andre at gt6.ca> writes:
>> I picked up the #17 TR6 Hot Wheels car the other day from Walmart.
>>
>> http://temp.justdrive.ca/17-triumphtr6.jpg
>>
>> Tres cool.
>>
>> If I had been able to find a 2nd I would have pulled one out of the
>> package :)
>>
>> A.
>>
>> --
>> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
>> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
>> '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
>> Ottawa, ON, Canada
>>
>>
>> 2009/9/30 William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com>:
>> > Just received a new car by Hot Wheels that is very cool in light
>> of the
>> > news from the SCCA Runoffs. Offering #33 of 42 or 190, in the 2009
>> new
>> > models is a Triumph TR6 (1969). Dressed as a racer, one - seven
>> green
>> > looks quite vintage with number balls, twin stripes front to back,
>> cut
>> > down windscreen, rear and cross braced roll bar (cross braced the
>> wrong
>> > way for its RHD driver position), air dam, nice details, and some
>> sponsor
>> > graphics that my eyes can't resolve. The packaging also sports a
>> nice
>> > illustration and information about the car.
>> > Amazing for Hot Wheels these days, the wheels actually look as if
>> they
>> > belong on the car!
>> > Collect them all!
>> > Bill
>> > ____________________________________________________________
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>> > Find top-rated local window washers and get multiple free bids
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From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Sep 30 16:32:55 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:32:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] tr6 hot wheels
Message-ID: <0190AFBDDD914182BE6A9A9B82405EB1@Bud>

would someone please send the Hot Wheels TR6 info again?
thanks
RB

From tr6nut at verizon.net  Wed Sep 30 16:38:25 2009
From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:38:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] A timely item from Hot Wheels
In-Reply-To: <20090930.130925.3148.5.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
References: <20090930.130925.3148.5.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4AC3DDE1.2000602@verizon.net>

I was able to find a green one and a silver (white?) one.  They were 
$1.50 + shipping on EBay.

Hugh Barber
Stafford, VA
'73 TR6


William G Rosenbach wrote:
> I like the white.
> Wonder what others are out there?
> Bill

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Wed Sep 30 17:04:52 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:04:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] tr6 hot wheels
References: <0190AFBDDD914182BE6A9A9B82405EB1@Bud>
Message-ID: <FB9F731150344F449B3501AC9D263483@latitudefb1e41>

I picked up 3 silver ones at a Walmart today. I stopped at another Walmart 
and they didn't have any.

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:32 PM
Subject: [Fot] tr6 hot wheels


> would someone please send the Hot Wheels TR6 info again?
> thanks
> RB
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Sep 30 17:31:21 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:31:21 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Jay Leno video on Group 44 GT6+
In-Reply-To: <20090930135754.8AE27187671@autox.team.net>
References: <cec.641ab3c3.37f49675@aol.com>
	<20090930135754.8AE27187671@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4AC3EA49.7020607@bradakis.com>

Nice segment.

My first Triumph was a '69 GT6+ so I have an attachment to the cars.

One thing I was hoping would be a result of me making it to Portland
was to fire up my enthusiasm for getting some of my projects done.
Hearing the sound of that 2 litre six was certainly an inspiration!

mjb.

From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Sep 30 18:31:32 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:31:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] tr6 hot wheels
References: <0190AFBDDD914182BE6A9A9B82405EB1@Bud>
	<FB9F731150344F449B3501AC9D263483@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <98590E440F3247588E34E5F00E3596CE@Bud>

Thanks Gang...I got 3 on Ebay....
Racer Bud
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From: "Bob Kramer" <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
To: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] tr6 hot wheels


>I picked up 3 silver ones at a Walmart today. I stopped at another Walmart 
>and they didn't have any.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:32 PM
> Subject: [Fot] tr6 hot wheels
>
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>> would someone please send the Hot Wheels TR6 info again?
>> thanks
>> RB
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 20:19:17 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:19:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FP Runoffs race from Eric Prill's Super 7
Message-ID: <673993c50909301919q60675a36h8e83cc98332cbcbf@mail.gmail.com>

Thought some of you might enjoy this..
http://vimeo.com/6840209

>From his view, it looks like Sargis tried to push Bryson over, not knowing
Ruck was already there. Three cars using half the track just doesn't work.

Bob

From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Sep 30 21:09:18 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:09:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FP Runoffs race from Eric Prill's Super 7
References: <673993c50909301919q60675a36h8e83cc98332cbcbf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7D2B23D584C142CEAAF908C88ADEC3B0@Bud>

thanks Bob..I enjoyed it a bunch!
Racer bud
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Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:19 PM
Subject: [Fot] FP Runoffs race from Eric Prill's Super 7


> Thought some of you might enjoy this..
> http://vimeo.com/6840209
>
>>From his view, it looks like Sargis tried to push Bryson over, not knowing
> Ruck was already there. Three cars using half the track just doesn't work.
>
> Bob
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Tue Sep  1 05:07:53 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:07:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen
References: <809335FD2BDF4D61A075FA1612EDF8E6@ComputerPC>
Message-ID: <00c101ca2af4$74fc5080$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Hi, I'm going but have some folks coming up so all mine are spoken for. I
was hoping to bum a couple myself.
  If there's any change, I'll let you know.
  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:11 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen


  > Who will be at Watkins and may have a couple spare crew passes for a
couple
  > WPTA guys.
  > Bruce Stutzman
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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Tue Sep  1 07:56:25 2009
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 06:56:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America ... Sep 11
Message-ID: <83250.27168.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just curious ... with everyone headed for the CRC .... who all will be at RA
for the VSCDA vintage race the weekend of the 11th.
  I will try to get in early enough to rope off paddock space for anyone that
wants.  I usually like to get the grass area above turn 5 next to Bill D. ....
its shaded from wind and a lot of heat, and right at the grid ... 


Tom

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#4 white spitfire


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Sep  1 08:18:46 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 09:18:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rain in Portland?
Message-ID: <20090901141937.8D5E418766F@autox.team.net>

So, the forecast for CRC looks like showers and mid 60's for Fri / 
Sat / Sun (although I note that it seems to change at the drop of a 
hat)...  What is the character of the "showers" out there 
normally?  Is it kinda like Mosport where you have a shower pass 
through occasionally, or more like the Midwest where that would be 
"don't bother to leave the Hotel"?

- Tony


From billb at bnj.com  Tue Sep  1 09:23:01 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 08:23:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Rain in Portland?
In-Reply-To: <20090901141937.8D5E418766F@autox.team.net>
References: <20090901141937.8D5E418766F@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <3EEF3BF9-B06A-4397-9045-F8BEE0FF3004@bnj.com>

This time of the year a shower is generally very short, just enough to  
make the track snotty for a race or two. We rarely get heavy rain,  
it's just usually overcast and occasional drizzles.
On Sep 1, 2009, at 7:18 AM, Tony Drews wrote:

> So, the forecast for CRC looks like showers and mid 60's for Fri /  
> Sat / Sun (although I note that it seems to change at the drop of a  
> hat)...  What is the character of the "showers" out there normally?   
> Is it kinda like Mosport where you have a shower pass through  
> occasionally, or more like the Midwest where that would be "don't  
> bother to leave the Hotel"?
>
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From rodkent at cox.net  Tue Sep  1 10:01:49 2009
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:01:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] hpv-1 ignition
In-Reply-To: <1661778748.6105391251771937862.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20090901120149.BO8FH.2901.imail@fed1rmwml44>

I have heard some instances of problems, but not nearly as many as with msd. I have used electromotive for 20 years and no issues outside goofy things like bad grounds, bad wires or something not the units fault. I may have a spare if you are still looking for one. 
---- fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote: 
take the electromotive and put it on the shelf.



replace it with a distributor and points and go racing.B 



I use a crank fire and MSD with a distributor in backup...in 6 years...no
iginition failures.



most everyone I know has taken the electromotives off



aaron
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Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:01:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [Fot] hpv-1 ignition

FoTer's goodmorning, found my mistery issue with the tr4 that has plaqued me
all season. The electromotive crankfired ignition system that i run has been
diagnosed by the factory as at fault. The base unit (that the coils plug into)
does not send proper pulses consistantly, what i thought was a fuel issue
turned out not so. My question, does anyone have a spare or not needed unit
that they would like to part with??? Hate to invest alot of monies on a new
unit this late in the season unless i have to, the unit in question is a
Electromotive HPV-1 for a 4cyl. Thanks and have a good weekend. Mark
Pendergrass
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From rodkent at cox.net  Tue Sep  1 10:03:26 2009
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:03:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] A-arm question
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330908311638k4ec02080p44a3057ffcdc5993@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090901120326.RQY6Z.2935.imail@fed1rmwml44>

way different
---- robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com> wrote: 
I don't have one in hand either, but I'm pretty sure they are different.
Check the part numbers perhaps?


On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Gary Horstkorta
<vintage.racer at comcast.net>wrote:

> Since I've only owned TRs and not Spitfires I have a question for anyone
> with knowledge about how similar the upper A-arms of a GT6 versus TR4-6.
> I've checked a general Triumph car service manual and the diagram of the
> GT6
> upper a-arm looks similar but not having one in hand to compare, I can't
> tell if it is the same as a TR4-6.  Anyone out there know?  Thanks.
>
>
>
> Gary
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From cak at dimebank.com  Tue Sep  1 12:08:47 2009
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 11:08:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] A-arm question
Message-ID: <200909011808.n81I8lSZ027440@moose.dimebank.com>

Way different.

GT6 is symmetrical; the upper a-arm is made up of 2ea p/n 119272. 
The TR4A/TR6 is asymmetrical; upper a-arm is 1ea p/n133504, 1ea p/n133507.
Completely different dimensions, bushings, ball joints.

chris


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue Sep  1 12:47:01 2009
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 11:47:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] A-arm question
Message-ID: <000001ca2b34$97e9dbe0$c7bd93a0$@racer@comcast.net>

Thanks to all who responded to my question about GT6 vs TR4-6 a-arms, I now
know they are completely different.

 

Gary


From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Sep  1 13:12:48 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:12:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] A-arm question
References: <000001ca2b34$97e9dbe0$c7bd93a0$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8564A2897A5E405DB1A6A6F85F05BF32@Bud>

they will work on the rear though...(:>)
Racer Bud
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 11:47 AM
Subject: [Fot] A-arm question


> Thanks to all who responded to my question about GT6 vs TR4-6 a-arms, I 
> now
> know they are completely different.
>
>
>
> Gary
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Sep  1 14:19:43 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 15:19:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America ... Sep 11
In-Reply-To: <83250.27168.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <83250.27168.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003901ca2b41$8bdb8ad0$a392a070$@com>

Ryan and I will be there with the TR4.

Tim Murphy

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of tom strange
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:56 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America ... Sep 11

Just curious ... with everyone headed for the CRC .... who all will be at RA
for the VSCDA vintage race the weekend of the 11th.
  I will try to get in early enough to rope off paddock space for anyone
that
wants.  I usually like to get the grass area above turn 5 next to Bill D.
....
its shaded from wind and a lot of heat, and right at the grid ... 


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Sep  2 05:03:09 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 13:03:09 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Frame bending
In-Reply-To: <8564A2897A5E405DB1A6A6F85F05BF32@Bud>
References: <000001ca2b34$97e9dbe0$c7bd93a0$@racer@comcast.net>
	<8564A2897A5E405DB1A6A6F85F05BF32@Bud>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAF9SLdcK17xIoKxj4DZ3r0wBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

Hi,

after the rear axle breakage at Spa I need to bend the front suspension
domes.
Any advice how to bend them?

Cheers
Chris


From billb at bnj.com  Wed Sep  2 08:20:57 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 07:20:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Frame bending
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References: <000001ca2b34$97e9dbe0$c7bd93a0$@racer@comcast.net>
	<8564A2897A5E405DB1A6A6F85F05BF32@Bud>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAF9SLdcK17xIoKxj4DZ3r0wBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <15419DB6-5331-4F31-9C7A-713D7686C7D8@bnj.com>

A frame shop should be able to do that for you. I've had to have my  
frame straightened. Only right way is on a big frame table .
On Sep 2, 2009, at 4:03 AM, MadMarx wrote:

> Hi,
>
> after the rear axle breakage at Spa I need to bend the front  
> suspension
> domes.
> Any advice how to bend them?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Sep  2 08:22:54 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 16:22:54 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Frame bending
In-Reply-To: <001a01ca2bd6$7d6ece90$784c6bb0$@com>
References: <000001ca2b34$97e9dbe0$c7bd93a0$@racer@comcast.net>
	<8564A2897A5E405DB1A6A6F85F05BF32@Bud>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAF9SLdcK17xIoKxj4DZ3r0wBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>
	<001a01ca2bd6$7d6ece90$784c6bb0$@com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAKyjYn5QAYZNnFCUZVKUuuIBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

As there are several questions first the video - scroll to the end to enjoy
a flying around car:
I posted if before so don't get angry if you already watched it.

http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5355089330593825922

http://www.racerspics.de/bilder/albums/bilder/2009/summer_classics/summer_cl
assics_1_774.JPG

So....what is damaged?
Good news - the rear end is repaired and already painted again. The car was
on a stretch bench and the frame is flat now - BUT the domes at the front
end are both tilted to the left. I found that the connector between the
domes is cracked on the left side. To have more camber I'm thinking about to
leave the right dome as it is and bend the left dome to the right to get the
camber there too. Any chance to do this?

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Tim Murphy [mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. September 2009 16:06
An: 'MadMarx'
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Frame bending

You broke a rear axle at Spa?  Wow, breaking anything on that track would be
scary.  I trust you didn't get injured, but how's the car?  Too bad it would
be prohibitively expensive to ship an axle over here to Southwick to do the
conversion.  If you have some connections at a good machine shop, maybe
Southwick would be willing to "license" them to do the conversion for you.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 6:03 AM
To: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] Frame bending

Hi,

after the rear axle breakage at Spa I need to bend the front suspension
domes.
Any advice how to bend them?

Cheers
Chris
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Sep  2 14:31:11 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 16:31:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Diesel Power parts...
Message-ID: <d16.51299fe8.37d0300f@aol.com>

Amici...

Sorry to bomb the list, but I need to contact the member who works for the 
specialized Diesel Parts company.  I bought some marine injectors from you 
recently.  We're installing them today.  I have a question.

Please contact me off list.

Bill Dentinger


From GRMTim at aol.com  Wed Sep  2 18:55:06 2009
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:55:06 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen
Message-ID: <c39.5e9d534c.37d06dea@aol.com>

Gary Hunter and I are going and will have the Group 44 GT6+ on display and 
running downtown. We are not racing it at the track, as we have promised it 
to the Radnor Hunt Concours on Sunday in Malvern PA.

Sorry no extra tickets, but we will probably have an extra beer or two when 
we see you.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040


From GRMTim at aol.com  Wed Sep  2 18:58:10 2009
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:58:10 EDT
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <c53.55934db9.37d06ea2@aol.com>

I heard it was at Topeka. I might make that on the way back from Monterey.

On another race note... we will have a free Classic Motorsports sponsored 
enduro for under 2.0 liter cars at the Mitty for Triumphs, MGs and the like. 
The details on this will be announced soon.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040



In a message dated 8/31/09 2:48:11 PM, jsnook at wcnet.org writes:


> Hey all, can someone tell me where next year's race will be (if it is
> decided yet!).
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jeff Snook
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  2 19:07:04 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 18:07:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirts
Message-ID: <30466.54578.qm@web57605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

FOT:

For those who ordered t-shirts for this years Kastner Cup at PIR, I have seen
an example of the finished product and the design looks great; my wife even
said they looked great.

For those picking up shirts at PIR, the shirts have shipped and should arrive
at PIR on Friday.  Irv Korey and Joe Alexander will be distributing the shirts
at PIR so look for Joe's Ambro, shouldn't be hard to miss.

Those who requested the shirts to be shipped to them, you should expect
delivery some time next week.

Any questions, please let me know.

Thanks again,

Ernie


From billb at bnj.com  Wed Sep  2 23:19:23 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 22:19:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CRC Weather
Message-ID: <230C7669-6A39-42F5-A29E-D79EAD3EC8D2@bnj.com>

Friday looks nice, 60 percent chance of rain on Saturday, 30 percent  
chance of showers on Sunday, slight chance of showers on Monday.

This time of the year, it's hard to say what this means. It's likely  
that we'll get some rain, but unlikely that it will rain heavily. I'm  
keeping my fingers crossed. The weather has been spectacular for a  
month, hard to believe that it would chose this one weekend to rain. 


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Sep  3 01:18:39 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 09:18:39 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Frame bending
In-Reply-To: <7A9D02F8-628F-4730-8F72-C3D1F7B54670@bnj.com>
References: <000001ca2b34$97e9dbe0$c7bd93a0$@racer@comcast.net>
	<8564A2897A5E405DB1A6A6F85F05BF32@Bud>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAF9SLdcK17xIoKxj4DZ3r0wBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>
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The track is fast and really fun to drive on. My favorite after of course
the mother of all tracks - the Nordschleife.

To use a jack to move the domes to the outside is a good idea, but how to
bend them to the inside?

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. September 2009 17:31
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Frame bending

What a great track. The F1 race there this year was amazing. Force
India in SECOND!! Wow.

The towers should have been adjusted on the bench, but certainly you
can jack them now. I'd use a hydraulic jack braced diagonally against
the bottom of the opposite frame rail. Shouldn't move the rail at all.
On Sep 2, 2009, at 7:22 AM, MadMarx wrote:

> As there are several questions first the video - scroll to the end
> to enjoy
> a flying around car:
> I posted if before so don't get angry if you already watched it.
>
> http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5355089330593825922
>
>
http://www.racerspics.de/bilder/albums/bilder/2009/summer_classics/summer_cl
> assics_1_774.JPG
>
> So....what is damaged?
> Good news - the rear end is repaired and already painted again. The
> car was
> on a stretch bench and the frame is flat now - BUT the domes at the
> front
> end are both tilted to the left. I found that the connector between
> the
> domes is cracked on the left side. To have more camber I'm thinking
> about to
> leave the right dome as it is and bend the left dome to the right to
> get the
> camber there too. Any chance to do this?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Tim Murphy [mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. September 2009 16:06
> An: 'MadMarx'
> Betreff: RE: [Fot] Frame bending
>
> You broke a rear axle at Spa?  Wow, breaking anything on that track
> would be
> scary.  I trust you didn't get injured, but how's the car?  Too bad
> it would
> be prohibitively expensive to ship an axle over here to Southwick to
> do the
> conversion.  If you have some connections at a good machine shop,
> maybe
> Southwick would be willing to "license" them to do the conversion
> for you.
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On
> Behalf Of MadMarx
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 6:03 AM
> To: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
> Subject: [Fot] Frame bending
>
> Hi,
>
> after the rear axle breakage at Spa I need to bend the front
> suspension
> domes.
> Any advice how to bend them?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From riverside at southslope.net  Thu Sep  3 13:21:37 2009
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 14:21:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] top end lean w/ webers
Message-ID: <000801ca2ccb$c1efec70$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>

I am trying to get the carbs tuned on an
autocrosser w/ dual 45's.

I am going lean above 3500.  went down 4 steps
(one at a time) with the air corrections and got
some improvement (goes to a surge now instead
of complete flame out) and pulls to 4K before trouble.

Motor idles well and pulls strongly until the problem
arrives.  no stumbles.

Any of the weber running folks have any suggestions before
i buy more brass?   thanks

art de armond


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Sep  3 20:10:52 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:10:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] top end lean w/ webers
In-Reply-To: <000801ca2ccb$c1efec70$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <000801ca2ccb$c1efec70$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <20090903211052.asm1ooerwo0s0sco@www.tonydrews.com>

I ended up with 135 mains and 135 air correction in my 42 DCOE's with
36 mm chokes.  I have F16 emulsion tubes.  I started at 200 with the
air correction, so went down quite a bit there to keep gas going at
the top end.

- Tony Drews

Quoting riverside <riverside at southslope.net>:

> I am trying to get the carbs tuned on an
> autocrosser w/ dual 45's.
>
> I am going lean above 3500.  went down 4 steps
> (one at a time) with the air corrections and got
> some improvement (goes to a surge now instead
> of complete flame out) and pulls to 4K before trouble.
>
> Motor idles well and pulls strongly until the problem
> arrives.  no stumbles.
>
> Any of the weber running folks have any suggestions before
> i buy more brass?   thanks
>
> art de armond
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Thu Sep  3 20:12:18 2009
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:12:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main cap "leaking" shellac
Message-ID: <0KPF0058ACSA1PD0@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net>

When I assembled my engine I soaked the felt strips in a couple of 
gallons of Indian Head Shellac.  Some seeped to the outside of the 
cap, of course, as well as dripped down the inside of the 
block.  I've driven the car for maybe 30 minutes of spirited fun 
since the rebuild.  Tonight I noticed a streak of shellac down the 
front of the flywheel inspection plate.  Is this normal?  I sense 
not, but am at a loss to explain why it would liquify again.  The 
split seal is leaking, which would cause hot oil to contact the 
shellac.  Perhaps it has dissolved the shellac?  I'll run a test tomorrow.

What say the gurus?

tnx

jim

--
J.C. Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
98.9% finished, 90% to go  


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Sep  3 22:36:45 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 21:36:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main cap "leaking" shellac
In-Reply-To: <0KPF0058ACSA1PD0@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <20090904043646050.IUIJ29089@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>

> I sense 
> not, but am at a loss to explain why it would liquify again.  

I'm certainly no guru, but ... any chance you've got fuel in the oil?
Shellac dissolves in ethanol, which we now have in our fuel.

Randall


From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Fri Sep  4 13:18:27 2009
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 12:18:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] top end lean w/ webers
References: <000801ca2ccb$c1efec70$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<20090903211052.asm1ooerwo0s0sco@www.tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <5CDA1969CD4544458F5E1A5354CE9394@your89d26e0447>

On my road race Morgan SS with 45 dcoe-9 carbs, with 40 mm chokes, 5.0 
auxiliary venturies, 35 pump jets (these are a major factor in high speed 
enrichment), we use 145 main jets, f-11 emulsion tubes, 140 air correction 
jets. The carbs come onto the main feed system around 3000 rpm at WOT. the 
engine comes on the cam at 3800-4000 rpm and will pull past 6800 rpm. The 
larger the choke the richer the idle jet needs to be because the main system 
comes in at higher rpm as the choke size goes up. On an autocross car, you 
need to look at the lowest rpm you think you are going to see at full 
throttle and set up the main choke size from that. On a full race engine at 
2187 cc, where the cam comes on at around 4,000 rpm, the bigger the choke 
the more power the engine will make. going smaller than 36 mm on the choke 
will have a tendency to push the beginning of the power curve down a couple 
hundred rpm but will noticeably reduce power above 6,000 rpm.
    For street use with the same tune engine, we use 34 mm chokes and 
smaller jets all around, the idle jets can be 50 f9 instead of 55 f6 and the 
cruise fuel economy will pick up from 17 mpg to about 22 mpg.
    With smaller chokes you can also use more total advance because they 
reduce the WOT cylinder filling. In full race tune on race gas the engine 
might use 32 degrees total advance, in street tune with the smaller chokes 
and pump gas you might be able to use 34 degrees total advance (but you also 
might have to be careful about any real long time full throttle use!) The 
more advance will help with better fuel economy on the street (or more 
important to me, range).
                                                                             
                    Greg Solow 


From kaskas at cox.net  Sun Sep  6 20:22:30 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:22:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>

After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet,  Mordy Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
--
Never be beaten by equipment


From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Sun Sep  6 20:30:58 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 22:30:58 EDT
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <bfe.682ca696.37d5ca62@aol.com>

That is great news and a hearty Cheers to Mordy!!  I will be rolling  out 
my 63 TR 4 after a rather extensive rebuild later this month down at Texas  
World Motor Speedway and then again in October at Hallett.
 
Kind regards & Cheers,
 
Gary Fuqua
Classic Sports Cars
Branson, MO


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Sep  7 07:46:47 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 09:46:47 EDT
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <d50.56f4616f.37d668c7@aol.com>

Congratulations to our friend Mordy!!!!  Truly deserving!
 
 
In a message dated 9/6/2009 7:23:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
kaskas at cox.net writes:

After a  thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet,  
Mordy  Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
--
Never be beaten by  equipment
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Sep  7 08:28:23 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 10:28:23 EDT
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <cc8.55327578.37d67287@aol.com>

In a message dated 09/06/2009 9:23:16 PM Central Daylight Time, 
kaskas at cox.net writes:


> After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet,  
> Mordy Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
> --
> 

HOORAY for Mordy.  He joins an illustrious list of past winners.  Where 
will the results for that event be posted?

Bill Dentinger


From fastrsixs at bellsouth.net  Mon Sep  7 09:01:18 2009
From: fastrsixs at bellsouth.net (fastrsixs)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 11:01:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Last Chance Items.....Moving......
References: <d50.56f4616f.37d668c7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4378648DEA3543F7BAFEA6DBE3F33C38@D23WBM51>

I have moved to VA and am making one last trip to FL. I have a good GT6 MK 
III bonnet that will go to the crusher unless some one claims it, if you are 
near the I-95 corridor I could drop it off as I am coming through if you can 
meet me near an exit. Also my TVR 2500M is not making the trip and is for 
sale. Another item of interest is a unfinished fiberglass boot lid for a 
early Spitfire. Let me know in the next two weeks if you have an interest.

Thanks,

Mike Perry
Email
fastrsixs at bellsouth.net
Web Site
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-mpperry
Message Board
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Sep  7 09:25:09 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 11:25:09 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Milwaukee Mile...
Message-ID: <d4c.49a25dd7.37d67fd5@aol.com>

Amici...

Bob Wismer ran his Lola S2 in a Midwestern Council event at the Milwaukee 
Mile yesterday.  My grandson Matt and I crewed for him.  While I've lived in 
the Milwaukee area all of my life, and attended Champ car races at the Mile 
on occasion, I've never raced the road course circuit there.  An interesting 
circuit claiming ten turns, but one could argue about that.  It's mostly 
four flat, parallel straights and the turns that get you to them.  They had a 
vintage session.  Scott and Jerry Barr ran Scott's Spitfire.  It was good to 
see Jerry in the driver's seat.  He's had his helmet on the shelf for a 
spell while he mended from some foot surgery.  Son Scott wrenched at this 
event.  The car looked great and sounded very strong on the straights.  They'll 
switch positions at ROAD AMERICA next weekend for the Elkhart Lake Vintage 
Festival.

There was a sad incident in the first practice session of the day when 
Glade Snodgrass' Spitfire took a very hard hit to the wall.  Glade is a great 
racer and he goes FAST.  But a Datsun 510 had an oil filter O ring fail, thus 
messing up turn 9 at the end of the front straight for those that followed.  
It got very exciting soon thereafter.  I am sure there are lots of parts to 
salvage from the car, but like I said, it was a very hard hit, and the 
Spitfire showed it.  As they say, "It could've been worse."  And thankfully 
Glade was sore, but fine.

Bill Dentinger


From jerrybarr at charter.net  Mon Sep  7 10:16:59 2009
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 11:16:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Milwaukee Mile
Message-ID: <F8BC35D0-558A-4C66-97A6-C38E38019FE6@charter.net>

This past weekend Midwestern Council had their first race in 4 years  
at the Milwaukee Mile. We had a great time racing at a track with so  
much history. The Sports Car course uses most of the mile oval with a  
very daunting .8 mile track in the infield. Jersey barriers are every  
where because the infield portion is long and narrow; any off track  
experience usually ends up in the barriers. I race Scott's #49 Blue  
Spitfire. What a great car, so much fun to drive, handles like it is  
on rails... Except the 2 times I went 4 wheels off in the hairpin, I  
don't think I ever figured that corner out and not many found a fast  
way through it either. Glade Snodgrass's red round tail Spitfire was  
totaled in corner 1 coming off the oval when a car in front of him  
dumped it's oil on the track. Glade's car slid into the Jersey  
barriers left front corner first destroying the bonnet, frame and the  
pushing the floor pan in. John Salisbury's Bugeye Sprite got forced  
off the track and slid backwards into the barriers putting him out for  
the rest of the season. I had a great weekend and cannot stop smiling.  
Thanks MCSCC for a great weekend.


From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Sep  7 10:53:51 2009
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 11:53:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Milwaukee Mile...
References: <d4c.49a25dd7.37d67fd5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002701ca2fdb$c70cf960$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>

my first driver school was on the Milwaukee road
course.  I loved it but never got back for a race.
It is great to see it repaved and in use again.
I hope that it will be available for us for a long time.
That hairpin is a so in so.

art de armond



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillDentin at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 10:25 AM
Subject: [Fot] Milwaukee Mile...


> Amici...
>
> Bob Wismer ran his Lola S2 in a Midwestern Council event at the Milwaukee
> Mile yesterday.  My grandson Matt and I crewed for him.  While I've lived 
> in
> the Milwaukee area all of my life, and attended Champ car races at the 
> Mile
> on occasion, I've never raced the road course circuit there.  An 
> interesting
> circuit claiming ten turns, but one could argue about that.  It's mostly
> four flat, parallel straights and the turns that get you to them.  They 
> had a
> vintage session.  Scott and Jerry Barr ran Scott's Spitfire.  It was good 
> to
> see Jerry in the driver's seat.  He's had his helmet on the shelf for a
> spell while he mended from some foot surgery.  Son Scott wrenched at this
> event.  The car looked great and sounded very strong on the straights. 
> They'll
> switch positions at ROAD AMERICA next weekend for the Elkhart Lake Vintage
> Festival.
>
> There was a sad incident in the first practice session of the day when
> Glade Snodgrass' Spitfire took a very hard hit to the wall.  Glade is a 
> great
> racer and he goes FAST.  But a Datsun 510 had an oil filter O ring fail, 
> thus
> messing up turn 9 at the end of the front straight for those that 
> followed.
> It got very exciting soon thereafter.  I am sure there are lots of parts 
> to
> salvage from the car, but like I said, it was a very hard hit, and the
> Spitfire showed it.  As they say, "It could've been worse."  And 
> thankfully
> Glade was sore, but fine.
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
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From mlcooknj at msn.com  Mon Sep  7 18:42:39 2009
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 20:42:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
References: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
Message-ID: <BAY136-W10CC1B3646EB289559C31DC8EA0@phx.gbl>

congratulations to Mordy-



I hope someone got good picture on track and when the Cup was presented. I'll
be happy to cover the even in The Vintage Triumph.



 Mike Cook



> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:22:30 -0700
> From: kaskas at cox.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> CC: gt6steve at aol.com
> Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
>
> After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet, Mordy
Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
> --
> Never be beaten by equipment
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep  7 20:25:18 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 19:25:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] GT-Racer
Message-ID: <609032.62205.qm@web80808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Amici,

Although many were busy last Friday night at various races, I thought
I would pass along a note about a new show on Discovery HD Theater.
It is called GT-Racer, and is being shown at 8:00pm eastern. They are
covering what appears to be vintage races at different European
locations. The first show covered the LeMans Classic, and in a couple
of shots you could see the TRS in the background. Another shot also
had what appeared to be one of the Triumph vans in it.

The next episode covers Nurburging, and the episode on 9-18 covers
Mangny-Cours.

Doug


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Sep  7 22:30:24 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 21:30:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
References: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
	<BAY136-W10CC1B3646EB289559C31DC8EA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8BA92C3443F2429FA2241FEF3CC5928E@desktop>

There might be others that are better, but here's a start,
Charly Mitchel
TR6#44
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "kas kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject)


> congratulations to Mordy-
>
>
>
> I hope someone got good picture on track and when the Cup was presented. 
> I'll
> be happy to cover the even in The Vintage Triumph.
>
>
>
> Mike Cook
>
>
>
>> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:22:30 -0700
>> From: kaskas at cox.net
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> CC: gt6steve at aol.com
>> Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
>>
>> After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet, 
>> Mordy
> Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
>> --
>> Never be beaten by equipment
>>
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep  7 23:39:34 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 22:39:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <5ffb80570909071956p4a1b12cbr24d88625ac1d601b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <268700.87195.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Friends - especially those of you who are machinists or know a good one.  
I have an old locking differential carrier that I would like to use in a Triumph powered car that I am building.  The problem is: the side bearings have been taken on and off so many times that one side is worn to the point that it no longer holds the bearing tight. What can be done to get these bearing surfaces built back up to spec?

Any ideas?
Dennis DeLap


From 58tr3a at videotron.ca  Tue Sep  8 06:26:22 2009
From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 08:26:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
References: <268700.87195.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <525763CB9E8C48728E5BFA2BAA418C9B@Elliott>

Back in 1955 when I was 17 working at Pratt & Whitney, we would send items 
that were undersize to Plating where they would plate some "hard chrome" 
onto the areas where needed and then it went to grinding to be ground back 
within tolerance.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis DeLap" <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
To: <isoa at googlegroups.com>
Cc: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:39 AM
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker


> Friends - especially those of you who are machinists or know a good one.
> I have an old locking differential carrier that I would like to use in a 
> Triumph powered car that I am building.  The problem is: the side bearings 
> have been taken on and off so many times that one side is worn to the 
> point that it no longer holds the bearing tight. What can be done to get 
> these bearing surfaces built back up to spec?
>
> Any ideas?
> Dennis DeLap
>
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Tue Sep  8 06:34:50 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 07:34:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <268700.87195.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <5ffb80570909071956p4a1b12cbr24d88625ac1d601b@mail.gmail.com>
	<268700.87195.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0461E4B87D@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

I would check with a bearing house to see if there was a bearing available
with the right outside dimension and a smaller ID to allow for machining the
surface to match.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Dennis DeLap
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:40 AM
To: isoa at googlegroups.com
Cc: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker

Friends - especially those of you who are machinists or know a good one.
I have an old locking differential carrier that I would like to use in a
Triumph powered car that I am building.  The problem is: the side bearings
have been taken on and off so many times that one side is worn to the point
that it no longer holds the bearing tight. What can be done to get these
bearing surfaces built back up to spec?

Any ideas?
Dennis DeLap
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Sep  8 07:19:57 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 13:19:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <268700.87195.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1927250541.1762711252415997645.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Dennis

Flame Spray will restore the shaft. The process was originally designed to
restore turbine shafts.

http://www.flamespraydenver.com/ B B  Try this link.



Jim G.






----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis DeLap" <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
To: isoa at googlegroups.com
Cc: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2009 11:39:34 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker

Friends - especially those of you who are machinists or know a good one. B 
I have an old locking differential carrier that I would like to use in a
Triumph powered car that I am building. B The problem is: the side bearings
have been taken on and off so many times that one side is worn to the point
that it no longer holds the bearing tight. What can be done to get these
bearing surfaces built back up to spec?

Any ideas?
Dennis DeLap
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From mlcooknj at msn.com  Tue Sep  8 07:55:44 2009
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:55:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <8BA92C3443F2429FA2241FEF3CC5928E@desktop>
References: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
	<BAY136-W10CC1B3646EB289559C31DC8EA0@phx.gbl>
	<8BA92C3443F2429FA2241FEF3CC5928E@desktop>
Message-ID: <BAY136-W5DE2432209DCE55F7FAF3C8EA0@phx.gbl>

A VERY good start Charly. Thanks!



Mike

> From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com
> To: mlcooknj at msn.com; kaskas at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject)
> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 21:30:24 -0700
>
> There might be others that are better, but here's a start,
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6#44
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "michael cook" <mlcooknj at msn.com>
> To: "kas kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject)
>
>
> > congratulations to Mordy-
> >
> >
> >
> > I hope someone got good picture on track and when the Cup was presented.
> > I'll
> > be happy to cover the even in The Vintage Triumph.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike Cook
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:22:30 -0700
> >> From: kaskas at cox.net
> >> To: fot at autox.team.net
> >> CC: gt6steve at aol.com
> >> Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
> >>
> >> After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet,
> >> Mordy
> > Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
> >> --
> >> Never be beaten by equipment
> >>
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> >>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Tue Sep  8 10:30:18 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:30:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <268700.87195.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090908163017968.JRXW29089@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>

> What can be done to get these 
> bearing surfaces built back up to spec?

There are several Loctite products designed for this purpose.  I've had good
luck with RC609, though not on a diff.  RC603 might be a better choice,
though, as it's supposedly stronger and tolerates contamination better.
http://207.250.200.229:8080/1/doc?id=26269
http://tinyurl.com/n9276o

Randall


From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Sep  8 17:27:44 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 16:27:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] The"K" cup race in Portland
Message-ID: <20090908192744.PE72T.105205.imail@fed1rmwml45>

The race was hot. Here are the race results:
1   Tom Kreger  TR-6   (very very close race)  2006 cup winner
2.   Tony Garmy  TR-250K                                2008 cup Winner
3.   Bill Babcock- Peyote            50th birthday for this well turned out racer
4   Mordy Dunst   Tr-4                                     (2009 "K" cup winner)
5   Jeff quick   TR-4      The name says it,  My team raced against this car years and years ago
6   Tony Drews   TR-4 (fast in the wet too)
7   John Frymark  TR-4
8   Greg Hilyer   Tr-4   some problems along the way, but a racer
9   Bill Hart   Devon TR-4  (very nice car, good guy  ,brought many great cars to the track)
10   Paul Smock   TR-4
11   John James   TR-4
12   Jim Norlin   Spitfire 1300, fast all weekend
13   Charley Mitchell   TR-6, great looking car
14.   Chuck Gee Spitfire,  2008 Cup winner, recovering from first lap crash in practice to later turn top times   
15   Peter Jeffery   TR-3B
16   Alan Mizutani  Spitfire 1147
17   Mark York  TR-3 1957
18   Steve Hare  Spitfire  1147
19  Butch Gilbert  Vitesse  (ex Kastner/ Brophy racer) Something broke
20 Jerry Barker  Herald  another broken gearbox 

Fastest lap by Tony Garmey  TR-250 K, brought to the event by owner,  Bill Hart.  

Great race with the first two overall within a car length or less at the finish and trading positions every lap it seemed. Terrific turnout with 20 cars in the all Triumph "CUP" race. All RACERS. Lots of individual races going on in the event, all in all, just a great event sponsered by SOVREN, folks who cared we were there. Thank you SOVREN.

Thanks to all for this just wonderful event.



--
Never be beaten by equipment


From adams910 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  8 17:37:29 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:37:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] The"K" cup race in Portland
In-Reply-To: <20090908192744.PE72T.105205.imail@fed1rmwml45>
References: <20090908192744.PE72T.105205.imail@fed1rmwml45>
Message-ID: <673993c50909081637u76612ea0k91f3aa2bd82a0e04@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like a great event.
Here are some photos I found online..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimculp/sets/72157622278083714/

Bob Adams

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:

> The race was hot. Here are the race results:
> 1   Tom Kreger  TR-6   (very very close race)  2006 cup winner
> 2.   Tony Garmy  TR-250K                                2008 cup Winner
> 3.   Bill Babcock- Peyote            50th birthday for this well turned out
> racer
> 4   Mordy Dunst   Tr-4                                     (2009 "K" cup
> winner)
> 5   Jeff quick   TR-4      The name says it,  My team raced against this
> car years and years ago
> 6   Tony Drews   TR-4 (fast in the wet too)
> 7   John Frymark  TR-4
> 8   Greg Hilyer   Tr-4   some problems along the way, but a racer
> 9   Bill Hart   Devon TR-4  (very nice car, good guy  ,brought many great
> cars to the track)
> 10   Paul Smock   TR-4
> 11   John James   TR-4
> 12   Jim Norlin   Spitfire 1300, fast all weekend
> 13   Charley Mitchell   TR-6, great looking car
> 14.   Chuck Gee Spitfire,  2008 Cup winner, recovering from first lap crash
> in practice to later turn top times
> 15   Peter Jeffery   TR-3B
> 16   Alan Mizutani  Spitfire 1147
> 17   Mark York  TR-3 1957
> 18   Steve Hare  Spitfire  1147
> 19  Butch Gilbert  Vitesse  (ex Kastner/ Brophy racer) Something broke
> 20 Jerry Barker  Herald  another broken gearbox
>
> Fastest lap by Tony Garmey  TR-250 K, brought to the event by owner,  Bill
> Hart.
>
> Great race with the first two overall within a car length or less at the
> finish and trading positions every lap it seemed. Terrific turnout with 20
> cars in the all Triumph "CUP" race. All RACERS. Lots of individual races
> going on in the event, all in all, just a great event sponsered by SOVREN,
> folks who cared we were there. Thank you SOVREN.
>
> Thanks to all for this just wonderful event.
>
>
>
> --
> Never be beaten by equipment
>
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Sep  8 20:03:29 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:03:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
References: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
	<BAY136-W10CC1B3646EB289559C31DC8EA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A8FC379E289E44509C43CDEB9DB24CF6@desktop>

 found another you may like more.
Charly
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "michael cook" <mlcooknj at msn.com>
To: "kas kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject)


> congratulations to Mordy-
>
>
>
> I hope someone got good picture on track and when the Cup was presented. 
> I'll
> be happy to cover the even in The Vintage Triumph.
>
>
>
> Mike Cook
>
>
>
>> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:22:30 -0700
>> From: kaskas at cox.net
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> CC: gt6steve at aol.com
>> Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
>>
>> After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet, 
>> Mordy
> Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Sep  8 20:06:27 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:06:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
References: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
	<BAY136-W10CC1B3646EB289559C31DC8EA0@phx.gbl>
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Here's one of the cars and drivers.
Charly
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "michael cook" <mlcooknj at msn.com>
To: "kas kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject)


> congratulations to Mordy-
>
>
>
> I hope someone got good picture on track and when the Cup was presented. 
> I'll
> be happy to cover the even in The Vintage Triumph.
>
>
>
> Mike Cook
>
>
>
>> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:22:30 -0700
>> From: kaskas at cox.net
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>> CC: gt6steve at aol.com
>> Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
>>
>> After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet, 
>> Mordy
> Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
>> --
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Sep  8 20:13:41 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:13:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
References: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
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The only one I could find with Mordy on the track.
Charly
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "kas kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject)


> congratulations to Mordy-
>
>
>
> I hope someone got good picture on track and when the Cup was presented. 
> I'll
> be happy to cover the even in The Vintage Triumph.
>
>
>
> Mike Cook
>
>
>
>> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:22:30 -0700
>> From: kaskas at cox.net
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> CC: gt6steve at aol.com
>> Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
>>
>> After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet, 
>> Mordy
> Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
>> --
>> Never be beaten by equipment
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Sep  8 20:25:07 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:25:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Portland Event
Message-ID: <4AA71203.1030708@bradakis.com>

Sigh.  I realized the other night while sitting at home being miserable 
that I could
have been just as miserable watching the racing at Portland.  Drat.  Of 
course, Tony
D. might not have appreciated my company en route.  Oh well.

Congrats to Mordy.

And as a reminder, one cannot send photos to Team.Net email lists.  Well, in
truth you *can* send them, but they get filtered out.  Sign up for an 
account at
http://www.team.net/forums and post all the pictures your heart desires.

mjb.


From triosan at gmail.com  Tue Sep  8 21:33:18 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 20:33:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
References: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909082033ubceb8fcy7732944f4a021a09@mail.gmail.com>

I have posted my pictures of Mordy racing and getting the Cup on picasa web
at:

http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/MortyDunstAtKAsterCup2009#

fell free to use if wanted.

I have many more pictures of everybody racing and with their cars.
Will do some editing and then post them.

Great weekend for all but Allen Weins who did pretty bad damage to his
Spit.  [Well, Butch Gilbert in the Kastner-Brophy Vitesse and Jerry
Barker in the Herald probably did not have the greatest time].

I was totally impressed with how everyone helped whenever needed to
keep cars going.  Peyote caught the wheel of a V and needed a lot of
metal bending.  Tony Garmey, Bill, and Garmey's right handman Daryll
got it looking like nothing ever happened.

The cup race with Garmey in the 250 and Krierer in his 6 was
incredibe.  They danced with each other, changing positions
frequently.  Tony was leading coming out of the final turn -- think
they tried to tie.  Krieger "won" by .05 seconds [about 9 feet at 120
mph which probably was the speed they crossed start-finish at.

On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Kas Kastner<kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
> After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet,
 Mordy Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
> --
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Wed Sep  9 04:47:34 2009
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 06:47:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon
Message-ID: <A8AC5039E4F14500B8E8B0C21AF4CD66@userb38463fba5>

I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to the FOT. Some of you may have met Mike while
at Portland this past weekend. Mike is the son in law of a good friend here in
Ohio and comes from a family with Goodyear Racing Tire background. His father
was very involved with Goodyear's Racing Tire program for much of his Goodyear
career and I believe was the Director of the program before he retired. Mike
is building a car that has a long history of racing in the Mid-west and was
rebuilt by Bill Lynn of VTR fame a number of years ago.

I'll let Mike introduce himself once he's confirmed.

Mike's e-mail address is mike.mehl at yahoo.com

Can I see a second please.

Jerry Van Vlack


From markjwea at msn.com  Wed Sep  9 05:17:13 2009
From: markjwea at msn.com (MARK J WEATHERS)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 12:17:13 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <268700.87195.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <5ffb80570909071956p4a1b12cbr24d88625ac1d601b@mail.gmail.com>
	<268700.87195.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W6097EED5EB3211C2D44E29C9E90@phx.gbl>

Dennis, it is common in aerospace engines to bore the housing and sleeve the
bore with a liner. Press fit the sleeve and final machine to size and
concentricity between the sides. A good local machine shop should be able to
do this. You will need to evaluate the potential weakening of the housing by
taking out material. Grind-chrome-grind is also an option as someone else
mentioned but likely expensive due to the difficulties of grinding a housing.
This approach is commonly  used for shafts.



Mark  Weathers

> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 22:39:34 -0700
> From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net
> To: isoa at googlegroups.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
>
> Friends - especially those of you who are machinists or know a good one.
> I have an old locking differential carrier that I would like to use in a
Triumph powered car that I am building. The problem is: the side bearings have
been taken on and off so many times that one side is worn to the point that it
no longer holds the bearing tight. What can be done to get these bearing
surfaces built back up to spec?
>
> Any ideas?
> Dennis DeLap
>
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Sep  9 06:29:52 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 07:29:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon
In-Reply-To: <A8AC5039E4F14500B8E8B0C21AF4CD66@userb38463fba5>
References: <A8AC5039E4F14500B8E8B0C21AF4CD66@userb38463fba5>
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Second!  Mike sounds like a good addition to the group.

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:48 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: Mike Mehl
Subject: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon

I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to the FOT. Some of you may have met Mike
while
at Portland this past weekend. Mike is the son in law of a good friend
here in
Ohio and comes from a family with Goodyear Racing Tire background. His
father
was very involved with Goodyear's Racing Tire program for much of his
Goodyear
career and I believe was the Director of the program before he retired.
Mike
is building a car that has a long history of racing in the Mid-west and
was
rebuilt by Bill Lynn of VTR fame a number of years ago.

I'll let Mike introduce himself once he's confirmed.

Mike's e-mail address is mike.mehl at yahoo.com

Can I see a second please.

Jerry Van Vlack
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Sep  9 09:17:30 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 10:17:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <20090908163017968.JRXW29089@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>
References: <20090908163017968.JRXW29089@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4AA7C70A.9050501@pobox.com>

This a poor boy approach that some of you will scoff at, but I've done 
it and it works.  Have you ever heard of a "strawberry fit"?  Peck 
around on the surface with a punch, then use loctite sleeve retainer as 
Randall suggested.  This is not a good approach if you're planing to 
take the bearing off many more times.  In that case, you might be able 
to turn the surface down to the size of a different bearing, or you 
could turn it down and sleeve it back to size.
Larry

Randall wrote:
>> What can be done to get these 
>> bearing surfaces built back up to spec?
>>     
>
> There are several Loctite products designed for this purpose.  I've had good
> luck with RC609, though not on a diff.  RC603 might be a better choice,
> though, as it's supposedly stronger and tolerates contamination better.
> http://207.250.200.229:8080/1/doc?id=26269
> http://tinyurl.com/n9276o
>
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From dave at microworks.net  Wed Sep  9 09:20:02 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 08:20:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
Message-ID: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>

SRF flips trying to pass a TR6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic


From billb at bnj.com  Wed Sep  9 09:41:08 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 08:41:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <6C8EF59D-9FAC-49F8-B4A7-8AFFA8DB7D5A@bnj.com>

Wow, I've tried some low margin passes myself, but that one looked  
downright boneheaded.  Looked like he would have been completely happy  
with shoving both cars off into the dirt.

On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:20 AM, David W. Riddle wrote:

> SRF flips trying to pass a TR6
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
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From andre at gt6.ca  Wed Sep  9 09:46:35 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:46:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <6C8EF59D-9FAC-49F8-B4A7-8AFFA8DB7D5A@bnj.com>
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
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Oh wow.

I'm sure the TR6 sustained a fair bit of damage too.

A.

2009/9/9 Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>:
> Wow, I've tried some low margin passes myself, but that one looked
downright
> boneheaded.  Looked like he would have been completely happy with shoving
> both cars off into the dirt.
>
> On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:20 AM, David W. Riddle wrote:
>
>> SRF flips trying to pass a TR6
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
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From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Sep  9 09:49:54 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:49:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <6C8EF59D-9FAC-49F8-B4A7-8AFFA8DB7D5A@bnj.com>
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
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Message-ID: <d9f7bd330909090849i65e9ac9etc0acc99d3ae37ada@mail.gmail.com>

But how did the TR6 turn out?


On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote:

> Wow, I've tried some low margin passes myself, but that one looked
> downright boneheaded.  Looked like he would have been completely happy with
> shoving both cars off into the dirt.
>
> On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:20 AM, David W. Riddle wrote:
>
>  SRF flips trying to pass a TR6
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
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From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Sep  9 09:50:31 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 08:50:31 -0700
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909090850w6aafcbcfp6de90926e09af271@mail.gmail.com>

So,would you post that video?  Sounded like it was a female driver,
not that that matters.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:20 AM, David W. Riddle <dave at microworks.net> wrote:
> SRF flips trying to pass a TR6
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
>
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Wed Sep  9 09:57:09 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:57:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <AEF0C7C9-146C-48EB-948F-2E9244330AEB@comcast.net>

I was watching the race from just after turn four.  This happened on  
the main straight well before turn 1.  It's a pretty wide road but I  
don't recall seeing passing three abreast, and not down the middle!   
It was a funny mix of cars, with a large spec racer ford field and a  
large FP field on the track at the same time during the MARRS double  
regionals this past weekend.  Widely disparate speeds and lots of  
close action.  Didn't miss a couple of SRF not coming around again,  
there were so many, and I guess I missed the TR6, unless it kept going.

On Sep 9, 2009, at 11:20 AM, David W. Riddle wrote:

SRF flips trying to pass a TR6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
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From gasket.works at verizon.net  Wed Sep  9 09:55:38 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 08:55:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
	<6C8EF59D-9FAC-49F8-B4A7-8AFFA8DB7D5A@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <011e01ca3166$705b3050$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

It seems this pass was likely not needed at this particular portion of the 
race. It is  three std deviations away from standard. I hope the 
underwriters don't see this.  I have made some tough passes as well but, 
never like this.

I think the chief steward probalbly talked to this individual.  My guess is 
a (hopefully) very long suspension.

Did I hear correctly... at the end the sound of a female voice seems to be 
comming from the car when aske if "OK".


Mordy

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From adams910 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  9 10:15:34 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 12:15:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <011e01ca3166$705b3050$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
	<6C8EF59D-9FAC-49F8-B4A7-8AFFA8DB7D5A@bnj.com>
	<011e01ca3166$705b3050$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
Message-ID: <673993c50909090915j4ef2ad92k8cabb6bae44502c4@mail.gmail.com>

That looks like Rob Dardano's TR6. He is (or was?) on the FOT list.

Summit Point seems to have a disproportionate amount of carnage. The
MARRS guys came up to NJMP twice this summer and they had no major incidents
and were for the most part clean, yet at almost every race at Summit this
year, there have been some HUGE wrecks.

That being said, in no way am I blaming the track, just making an
observation. That was 100% on the overtaking driver and she could have just
as easily backed off a bit and tucked in behind the other SRF.

Bob


From billb at bnj.com  Wed Sep  9 10:22:28 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:22:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0909090850w6aafcbcfp6de90926e09af271@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
	<8cbd782d0909090850w6aafcbcfp6de90926e09af271@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E517FEBA-3105-45A3-88EC-2958102CB051@bnj.com>

Oh, I'd absolutely post it.

I'm not sure it was a female--hanging from your seat belts raises the  
voice a few octaves, as probably does flying through the air in a half  
gainer.

On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Chuck Arnold wrote:

> So,would you post that video?  Sounded like it was a female driver,
> not that that matters.
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:20 AM, David W. Riddle  
> <dave at microworks.net> wrote:
>> SRF flips trying to pass a TR6
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
>>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Sep  9 10:28:53 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:28:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <F52C05AF5A714BAD9A7915F36224F5CB@joepentiumnew>

Makes one wonder what the TR6 she hit before flipping looks like after the
crash?

I kept waiting for the driver to say, "That sucks", right Tony?

Joe C.

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Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 8:20 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net; W2W
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass

SRF flips trying to pass a TR6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
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From dave at microworks.net  Wed Sep  9 10:34:37 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 09:34:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: [WtW] Re: How not to pass
Message-ID: <20090909163614.31DEA187643@autox.team.net>

Comment from the driver of the SRF on another list that I sent the link too.

>Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:04:37 -0400
>From: Elizabeth Miller <eracer at IdRatherNotSay.com>
>>
>The driver is fine, thanks.  :-)  Bit of a sore neck the next day, 
>but that didn't keep me from renting a car to race.  Had to start 
>from the back of the grid, of course, but worked my way from 20th to 
>6th in 16 laps.  /bragging
>
>Fun weekend.  Don't think I want to do it again, though.
>
>The video is pretty boring after that.  A few more seconds of "you okay?"
>before the car gets put on it's side, knocking the camera loose, and then
>they hit the master switch and it's done.


From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Sat Sep 12 10:27:32 2009
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:27:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <4362ae390909090846g215214fxd72de4a99ce66631@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net><6C8EF59D-9FAC-49F8-B4A7-8AFFA8DB7D5A@bnj.com>
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Its my 6.  The srf's must have been on radio and hit  the gas for the 
restart because they can not see the green from were they started to hit the 
gas They even had a jump on me because I was working on site only. We were 
on a restart for a 2 lap shoot out to make the race legal from an earlier 
race delay. A minor but messy black flag
  My damage  started on the rocker and road into the  fender. not to bad 
When the wheels touched the car just took off.  She Elizabeth Miller is one 
of the better surf drivers in the DC region  Pulling in on black flag all is 
always better when you don't have first hand knowledge of the incident. She 
is fine  probably a little sore today  production and surf's never mix well 
.
You should be able to see pix.s of a busted  weld and a ground down to 
almost nothing main hoop, on   pheno.smugmug.com  in a day or so. all in all 
it was a good weekend       rob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
To: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] How not to pass


> Oh wow.
>
> I'm sure the TR6 sustained a fair bit of damage too.
>
> A.
>
> 2009/9/9 Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>:
>> Wow, I've tried some low margin passes myself, but that one looked
> downright
>> boneheaded.  Looked like he would have been completely happy with shoving
>> both cars off into the dirt.
>>
>> On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:20 AM, David W. Riddle wrote:
>>
>>> SRF flips trying to pass a TR6
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
>>>
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From cak at dimebank.com  Wed Sep  9 13:11:05 2009
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 12:11:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] GT6/Spit diff parts
Message-ID: <200909091911.n89JB4Nu012042@moose.dimebank.com>

I dropped the diff in my '70 GT6+, to discover that its a Spitfire case, 
serial FH8xxx ... now I'm trying to figure out where to find the proper
seal and bearing part numbers.

Is this a 1300 to early-1500 diff? It's easy to find Spit chassis number
ranges, but not so much for the diff range :-)

Is there some characteristic measurement I can make to be sure?

Thanks,
chris


From fasttrs at mindspring.com  Wed Sep  9 13:11:39 2009
From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 15:11:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass(Igot hit too)
Message-ID: <1391.1252523499429.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I was taken out this past weekend as well. A Spec Recker Ford dive bombed me and another driver in the cork screw at Barber Motorsports park. I was on the outside of the turn so I was the one that got hit. It broke something in the rear end so i only had drive from the left rear. I tried to drive for 3 laps but it was too much of a handfull and decided to stop so I wouldn't wreck. I am going to write a letter to the race chair and see if something can't be done. I will suggest putting the Smash Miata's and the SRF together and let them whale away on each other!!!

Mike

-----Original Message-----
>From: Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>
>Sent: Sep 12, 2009 12:27 PM
>To: Andre Rousseau <andre at gt6.ca>, Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
>Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] How not to pass
>
>Its my 6.  The srf's must have been on radio and hit  the gas for the 
>restart because they can not see the green from were they started to hit the 
>gas They even had a jump on me because I was working on site only. We were 
>on a restart for a 2 lap shoot out to make the race legal from an earlier 
>race delay. A minor but messy black flag
>  My damage  started on the rocker and road into the  fender. not to bad 
>When the wheels touched the car just took off.  She Elizabeth Miller is one 
>of the better surf drivers in the DC region  Pulling in on black flag all is 
>always better when you don't have first hand knowledge of the incident. She 
>is fine  probably a little sore today  production and surf's never mix well 
>.
>You should be able to see pix.s of a busted  weld and a ground down to 
>almost nothing main hoop, on   pheno.smugmug.com  in a day or so. all in all 
>it was a good weekend       rob
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
>To: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
>Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 11:46 AM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] How not to pass
>
>
>> Oh wow.
>>
>> I'm sure the TR6 sustained a fair bit of damage too.
>>
>> A.
>>
>> 2009/9/9 Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>:
>>> Wow, I've tried some low margin passes myself, but that one looked
>> downright
>>> boneheaded.  Looked like he would have been completely happy with shoving
>>> both cars off into the dirt.
>>>
>>> On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:20 AM, David W. Riddle wrote:
>>>
>>>> SRF flips trying to pass a TR6
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
>>>>
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed Sep  9 13:28:43 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 12:28:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CRC
Message-ID: <F19B6077-1F49-4157-A08F-B3E91102C0A8@bnj.com>

Naturally since the CRC weekend is over we're having crystal blue  
skies with a few high clouds and cool air that would be idea for  
making ponies.  I always consider September to be the Northwest's  
summer, but it fooled us this year. Still, a fine time, so great to  
see all of you. Special thanks to the large contingent of California  
Triumph races. It was nice to put some faces to all those email  
addresses.  Alan, sorry about your car, and thanks for the meatball  
sub. That one wall has collected a lot of paint over the years. You're  
in good company, I saw Michael Andretti turn a car back into a kit of  
parts in exactly the same spot once.

I didn't get many pictures--too busy banging aluminum flat and whining  
about the weather. I'd like to get all I can to populate the CRC  
website. If you have any to share I'd greatly appreciate it. Either  
email them to me or send me a link to an online gallery and I can  
swipe them from wherever they stand.

Sure was great to see Mordy get the Kastner cup. He surprised the heck  
out of me running up on Peyote like that. I had to work my tail off to  
stay in front of him. Great car and a great drive.

Another special thanks to our midwest contingent. I didn't get to  
spend much time with Tony Drews, and Monday, when it was all over I  
was walking over to chat and saw his van and trailer headed out the  
gate!  Safe drive, Tony. Hope you had a good time and thanks for  
making that long haul. Joe Alexander  kind of quietly slipped away  
too--I wasn't the only one looking to say 'bye. I had a bunch of  
people come to my paddock looking for him.

I think I got to chat with most folks, though as usual, I was  
distracted by a lot of stuff, and as the poster boy for ADD,  
distracting me is easy. What was I saying...oh, look, a butterfly.  
Anyway, fun racing with all of you.

Bill


From herald948 at aol.com  Wed Sep  9 14:31:28 2009
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:31:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6/Spit diff parts
In-Reply-To: <200909091911.n89JB4Nu012042@moose.dimebank.com>
References: <200909091911.n89JB4Nu012042@moose.dimebank.com>
Message-ID: <8CBFFA3A4E774BB-2F04-4946@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Kantarjiev <cak at dimebank.com>










I dropped the diff in my '70 GT6+, to discover that its a Spitfire case, 
serial FH8xxx ... now I'm trying to figure out where to find the proper
seal and bearing part numbers.

Is this a 1300 to early-1500 diff? It's easy to find Spit chassis number
ranges, but not so much for the diff range :-)

==AM==
Chris, that is a MkIV/1500 Spitfire case. There's a great table of serial number prefixes from Club Triumph at

<http://club.triumph.org.uk/prefix1.htm>


--Andy Mace


From mdporter at dfn.com  Wed Sep  9 14:39:04 2009
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:39:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <E3BFC16E216F4C68988B7063F3CD63BD@INSPIRON>
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net><6C8EF59D-9FAC-49F8-B4A7-8AFFA8DB7D5A@bnj.com>
	<4362ae390909090846g215214fxd72de4a99ce66631@mail.gmail.com>
	<E3BFC16E216F4C68988B7063F3CD63BD@INSPIRON>
Message-ID: <4AA81268.1040005@dfn.com>

Rob wrote:
>   She Elizabeth Miller is one of the better surf drivers in the DC region

Ah, any bets then that she'd tried that move before and gotten away with it?


I worked for a roundy-rounder driver in Florida who got his first win as 
a rookie when two cars kissed in front of him at the finish, and as they 
rebounded off each other and scrubbed off speed (as he admitted to me 
later), he just closed his eyes and shot the gap between them.
 

The next time it happened, the next season, he was a little cocky, and 
ran up the back of one of the cars in front of him at the finish, which 
caused his car to do a triple pirouette on its nose across the finish 
line (the tail of the car clipped off a flag on the flagman's tower that 
extended out over the edge of the track), and went end over end five 
times off of turn one.


Roundy-rounding in Florida is not so much racin' as it is egos on wheels. :)


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Wed Sep  9 14:41:47 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:41:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74014EC63D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <D98DC5E743B2445FB630AEC2FD9F251F@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Second as well.  I'm surprised he's not already on the list.  I nominated
him last June and I know there were a few seconds.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:30 AM
To: Jerry Van Vlack
Cc: mike.mehl at yahoo.com; Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon


Second!  Mike sounds like a good addition to the group.

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:48 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: Mike Mehl
Subject: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon

I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to the FOT. Some of you may have met Mike
while at Portland this past weekend. Mike is the son in law of a good friend
here in Ohio and comes from a family with Goodyear Racing Tire background.
His father was very involved with Goodyear's Racing Tire program for much of
his Goodyear career and I believe was the Director of the program before he
retired. Mike is building a car that has a long history of racing in the
Mid-west and was rebuilt by Bill Lynn of VTR fame a number of years ago.

I'll let Mike introduce himself once he's confirmed.

Mike's e-mail address is mike.mehl at yahoo.com

Can I see a second please.

Jerry Van Vlack
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From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Sep  9 14:57:04 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 16:57:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] CRC
In-Reply-To: <F19B6077-1F49-4157-A08F-B3E91102C0A8@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <20090909165704.0CD1R.120353.imail@fed1rmwml45>

And, thanks to Bill for a grand party for his 50 year old racer.  Good time, Bill.
---- Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote: 

=============
Naturally since the CRC weekend is over we're having crystal blue  
skies with a few high clouds and cool air that would be idea for  
making ponies.  I always consider September to be the Northwest's  
summer, but it fooled us this year. Still, a fine time, so great to  
see all of you. Special thanks to the large contingent of California  
Triumph races. It was nice to put some faces to all those email  
addresses.  Alan, sorry about your car, and thanks for the meatball  
sub. That one wall has collected a lot of paint over the years. You're  
in good company, I saw Michael Andretti turn a car back into a kit of  
parts in exactly the same spot once.

I didn't get many pictures--too busy banging aluminum flat and whining  
about the weather. I'd like to get all I can to populate the CRC  
website. If you have any to share I'd greatly appreciate it. Either  
email them to me or send me a link to an online gallery and I can  
swipe them from wherever they stand.

Sure was great to see Mordy get the Kastner cup. He surprised the heck  
out of me running up on Peyote like that. I had to work my tail off to  
stay in front of him. Great car and a great drive.

Another special thanks to our midwest contingent. I didn't get to  
spend much time with Tony Drews, and Monday, when it was all over I  
was walking over to chat and saw his van and trailer headed out the  
gate!  Safe drive, Tony. Hope you had a good time and thanks for  
making that long haul. Joe Alexander  kind of quietly slipped away  
too--I wasn't the only one looking to say 'bye. I had a bunch of  
people come to my paddock looking for him.

I think I got to chat with most folks, though as usual, I was  
distracted by a lot of stuff, and as the poster boy for ADD,  
distracting me is easy. What was I saying...oh, look, a butterfly.  
Anyway, fun racing with all of you.

Bill
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From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Sep  9 15:14:01 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:14:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <4AA7C70A.9050501@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <20090909171401.X2U5Z.120793.imail@fed1rmwml45>

I have also done this type fit many times with center punch and hammer.
---- Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote: 

=============
This a poor boy approach that some of you will scoff at, but I've done 
it and it works.  Have you ever heard of a "strawberry fit"?  Peck 
around on the surface with a punch, then use loctite sleeve retainer as 
Randall suggested.  This is not a good approach if you're planing to 
take the bearing off many more times.  In that case, you might be able 
to turn the surface down to the size of a different bearing, or you 
could turn it down and sleeve it back to size.
Larry

Randall wrote:
>> What can be done to get these 
>> bearing surfaces built back up to spec?
>>     
>
> There are several Loctite products designed for this purpose.  I've had good
> luck with RC609, though not on a diff.  RC603 might be a better choice,
> though, as it's supposedly stronger and tolerates contamination better.
> http://207.250.200.229:8080/1/doc?id=26269
> http://tinyurl.com/n9276o
>
> Randall
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Sep  9 17:51:58 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:51:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] CRC
In-Reply-To: <F19B6077-1F49-4157-A08F-B3E91102C0A8@bnj.com>
References: <F19B6077-1F49-4157-A08F-B3E91102C0A8@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <8CBFFBFA6F63A92-1A10-14944@webmail-m059.sysops.aol.com>

THANKS FOR A GREAT WEEKEND, BILL!!



It was wonderful!



Of course I didnt have to run in the rain.



It was good to be with everyone and not have all of the distractions.



Now en route in Montana after one night near Mt. Hood and one night in northern Idaho.



Heartland Park in TOPEKA, KS next August should be a good one, too.



Jan & Joe








-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 2:28 pm
Subject: [Fot] CRC



Naturally since the CRC weekend is over we're having crystal blue skies with a few high clouds and cool air that would be idea for making ponies. I always consider September to be the Northwest's summer, but it fooled us this year. Still, a fine time, so great to see all of you. Special thanks to the large contingent of California Triumph races. It was nice to put some faces to all those email addresses. Alan, sorry about your car, and thanks for the meatball sub. That one wall has collected a lot of paint over the years. You're in good company, I saw Michael Andretti turn a car back into a kit of parts in exactly the same spot once.?
?
I didn't get many pictures--too busy banging aluminum flat and whining about the weather. I'd like to get all I can to populate the CRC website. If you have any to share I'd greatly appreciate it. Either email them to me or send me a link to an online gallery and I can swipe them from wherever they stand.?
?
Sure was great to see Mordy get the Kastner cup. He surprised the heck out of me running up on Peyote like that. I had to work my tail off to stay in front of him. Great car and a great drive.?
?
Another special thanks to our midwest contingent. I didn't get to spend much time with Tony Drews, and Monday, when it was all over I was walking over to chat and saw his van and trailer headed out the gate! Safe drive, Tony. Hope you had a good time and thanks for making that long haul. Joe Alexander kind of quietly slipped away too--I wasn't the only one looking to say 'bye. I had a bunch of people come to my paddock looking for him.?
?
I think I got to chat with most folks, though as usual, I was distracted by a lot of stuff, and as the poster boy for ADD, distracting me is easy. What was I saying...oh, look, a butterfly. Anyway, fun racing with all of you.?
?
Bill?
?
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Sep  9 17:56:06 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:56:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <20090909171401.X2U5Z.120793.imail@fed1rmwml45>
Message-ID: <8CBFFC03AE0EDEE-1A10-149F0@webmail-m059.sysops.aol.com>

I have also done the hammer and punch approach, but was always afraid to admit it.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net>
To: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>; Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: 'FOT' <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker



I have also done this type fit many times with center punch and hammer.
---- Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote: 

=============
This a poor boy approach that some of you will scoff at, but I've done 
it and it works.  Have you ever heard of a "strawberry fit"?  Peck 
around on the surface with a punch, then use loctite sleeve retainer as 
Randall suggested.  This is not a good approach if you're planing to 
take the bearing off many more times.  In that case, you might be able 
to turn the surface down to the size of a different bearing, or you 
could turn it down and sleeve it back to size.
Larry

Randall wrote:
>> What can be done to get these 
>> bearing surfaces built back up to spec?
>>     
>
> There are several Loctite products designed for this purpose.  I've had good
> luck with RC609, though not on a diff.  RC603 might be a better choice,
> though, as it's supposedly stronger and tolerates contamination better.
> http://207.250.200.229:8080/1/doc?id=26269
> http://tinyurl.com/n9276o
>
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Wed Sep  9 18:03:22 2009
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 20:03:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon
References: <D98DC5E743B2445FB630AEC2FD9F251F@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <231594DCF6B34E279104EC5B56C9494A@userb38463fba5>

I recall that as well but he wrote to me saying that he was not receiving 
any of the e-mails. So I asked for him again.
I trust that Mark will include him if he has not already done so and there 
is some glich somewhere.
JVV
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: "'Barr, Scott'" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>; "'Jerry Van Vlack'" 
<jerryvv at roadrunner.com>
Cc: <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon


Second as well.  I'm surprised he's not already on the list.  I nominated
him last June and I know there were a few seconds.

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:30 AM
To: Jerry Van Vlack
Cc: mike.mehl at yahoo.com; Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon


Second!  Mike sounds like a good addition to the group.

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:48 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: Mike Mehl
Subject: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon

I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to the FOT. Some of you may have met Mike
while at Portland this past weekend. Mike is the son in law of a good friend
here in Ohio and comes from a family with Goodyear Racing Tire background.
His father was very involved with Goodyear's Racing Tire program for much of
his Goodyear career and I believe was the Director of the program before he
retired. Mike is building a car that has a long history of racing in the
Mid-west and was rebuilt by Bill Lynn of VTR fame a number of years ago.

I'll let Mike introduce himself once he's confirmed.

Mike's e-mail address is mike.mehl at yahoo.com

Can I see a second please.

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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Wed Sep  9 18:23:25 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:23:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <E3BFC16E216F4C68988B7063F3CD63BD@INSPIRON>
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net><6C8EF59D-9FAC-49F8-B4A7-8AFFA8DB7D5A@bnj.com>
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	<E3BFC16E216F4C68988B7063F3CD63BD@INSPIRON>
Message-ID: <4AA846FD.7020201@141.com>

I am astounded that driver was allowed to rent a car and run again that 
weekend. CVAR would have sent her home after having a few words with her 
about her choice of action in that situation. From what I could see of 
the situation in her camera the SRF on the right was wavering in and out 
of his line and would have concerned me enough to hold off and get past 
him later.

Thankfully you are okay, Rob, and she didn't take anyone else out, 
although any damage to your car is bad enough. I hope you are able to 
repair it quickly and get back on the track soon!

Keep Triumphing,
Susan     :)


Rob wrote:
> Its my 6.  The srf's must have been on radio and hit  the gas for the 
> restart because they can not see the green from were they started to 
> hit the gas They even had a jump on me because I was working on site 
> only. We were on a restart for a 2 lap shoot out to make the race 
> legal from an earlier race delay. A minor but messy black flag
>  My damage  started on the rocker and road into the  fender. not to 
> bad When the wheels touched the car just took off.  She Elizabeth 
> Miller is one of the better surf drivers in the DC region  Pulling in 
> on black flag all is always better when you don't have first hand 
> knowledge of the incident. She is fine  probably a little sore today  
> production and surf's never mix well .
> You should be able to see pix.s of a busted  weld and a ground down to 
> almost nothing main hoop, on   pheno.smugmug.com  in a day or so. all 
> in all it was a good weekend       rob
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
> To: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 11:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] How not to pass
>
>

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From gasket.works at verizon.net  Wed Sep  9 18:44:44 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:44:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CRC
References: <20090909165704.0CD1R.120353.imail@fed1rmwml45>
Message-ID: <001b01ca31af$e429c160$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

All:

 What a blast.  I'd do it again ... as soon as I can get some parts.  I used 
my car up.  Gear box only has three forward gears and the left half 
shaft/diff parts are still on the track me thinks.   Some kind track worker 
said it looked liked a Keystone cops movie of yesteryear when parts came 
out.

Bill B put on one hell of a dinner on Saturday.  What a spread!  Fresh Lamb 
and beef from his daughters ranch.  I still don't know what a "Flat Iron" 
cut is but, damn it tastes good.  But, the Lamb was spectacular.   And Henry 
Frye  well... just grilled these to perfection.  All the fixings and grog to 
wet any appetite.  ...oh, btw  while being the consumate host that night 
Bill was also pounding out some metal in the Peyote due to someone elses 
foolishness.  The crew was pro all the way... could hardly tell when 
repaired.


During Friday practice Chuck Gee slipped in the rain while on an upshift and 
had some body work to contend with.   But, thanks to some adjustments, crow 
bars, chains, six able bodies working while ten others gaulked in amazement 
the darn #14 Spitfire was put together so well the corner workers had to 
come by to the pits to ensure that Chuck did not pull a fast one... i.e. 
having a spare identically numbered car.  Damn, I wish I had a photo of Kas 
spray painting his car.
Oh, the swap meet helped... lots of inexpensive spares.   I kind of like the 
idea of having British swap meets during vintage racing.  Kudos, to the 
clever folks whodreamed that amalgam together.

How many transmissions did Jerry Barker go through?  four?  He can change a 
transmission in his Herald faster than I can change four tires, oil, plugs 
and brakes.

Joe had the very pretty and clean Ambro special (short wind screen).  Tall 
Kas along side in the passenger seat during the Kas Cup race - started to 
drizzle just as the parade lap started.  Racers were lucky... we had eye 
protection from the rain drops...  I'm not sure what  Joe and Kas had to do 
to stay on the correct part of the track- hard to see when your eyes are 
closed...bet the drops stung.

Sovren crew and the Buckingham's are a class act and lots of fun. 
Especially, at the Sunday Dinner Party.  Thanks to Dick and Judy, corner 
workers, Race Chairman, and all the kind folks who allowed us to play.

Oh-----I found out that the PIR is VERY near a golf course-  don't ask how 
but, that Slazenger 7 had somemarks on it that weren't green. I hope it is 
still has some usefull purposes... I gave it to Kas and Peggy to putt around 
with.



Mordy


From robertten1 at aol.com  Wed Sep  9 20:21:49 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:21:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <8CBFFC03AE0EDEE-1A10-149F0@webmail-m059.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CBFFD4960EDE7F-2EE8-50D4@webmail-d019.sysops.aol.com>

 Loctite does make a sealant that takes up to .015" air gap and locks the two assembled items together.? Will take heat and a very BIG hammer to separate them.? Loctite 680?? Pretty amazing stuff !

My $.02,
Bob T


 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: n197tr4 at cs.com
To: kaskas at cox.net; cartravel at pobox.com; tr3driver at ca.rr.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 7:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker










I have also done the hammer and punch approach, but was always afraid to admit 
it.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net>
To: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>; Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: 'FOT' <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker



I have also done this type fit many times with center punch and hammer.
---- Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote: 

=============
This a poor boy approach that some of you will scoff at, but I've done 
it and it works.  Have you ever heard of a "strawberry fit"?  Peck 
around on the surface with a punch, then use loctite sleeve retainer as 
Randall suggested.  This is not a good approach if you're planing to 
take the bearing off many more times.  In that case, you might be able 
to turn the surface down to the size of a different bearing, or you 
could turn it down and sleeve it back to size.
Larry

Randall wrote:
>> What can be done to get these 
>> bearing surfaces built back up to spec?
>>     
>
> There are several Loctite products designed for this purpose.  I've had good
> luck with RC609, though not on a diff.  RC603 might be a better choice,
> though, as it's supposedly stronger and tolerates contamination better.
> http://207.250.200.229:8080/1/doc?id=26269
> http://tinyurl.com/n9276o
>
> Randall
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Wed Sep  9 20:37:21 2009
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:37:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker  -  Loctite 680
In-Reply-To: <8CBFFD4960EDE7F-2EE8-50D4@webmail-d019.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CBFFD4960EDE7F-2EE8-50D4@webmail-d019.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4AA86661.5080102@greenheart.com>

http://tds.loctite.com/tds5/docs/680-EN.PDF

I've never used the stuff, but I trust Loctite products to perform well.

--Justin




robertten1 at aol.com wrote:

> Loctite does make a sealant that takes up to .015" air gap and locks the two assembled items together.? Will take heat and a very BIG hammer to separate them.? Loctite 680?? Pretty amazing stuff !
>
>My $.02,
>Bob T
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: n197tr4 at cs.com
>To: kaskas at cox.net; cartravel at pobox.com; tr3driver at ca.rr.com
>Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 7:56 pm
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I have also done the hammer and punch approach, but was always afraid to admit 
>it.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net>
>To: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>; Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
>Cc: 'FOT' <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:14 pm
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker
>
>
>
>I have also done this type fit many times with center punch and hammer.
>---- Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote: 
>
>=============
>This a poor boy approach that some of you will scoff at, but I've done 
>it and it works.  Have you ever heard of a "strawberry fit"?  Peck 
>around on the surface with a punch, then use loctite sleeve retainer as 
>Randall suggested.  This is not a good approach if you're planing to 
>take the bearing off many more times.  In that case, you might be able 
>to turn the surface down to the size of a different bearing, or you 
>could turn it down and sleeve it back to size.
>Larry
>
>Randall wrote:
>  
>
>>>What can be done to get these 
>>>bearing surfaces built back up to spec?
>>>    
>>>      
>>>
>>There are several Loctite products designed for this purpose.  I've had good
>>luck with RC609, though not on a diff.  RC603 might be a better choice,
>>though, as it's supposedly stronger and tolerates contamination better.
>>http://207.250.200.229:8080/1/doc?id=26269
>>http://tinyurl.com/n9276o
>>
>>Randall
>>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Sep  9 20:53:07 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 19:53:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <8CBFFD4960EDE7F-2EE8-50D4@webmail-d019.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090910025307205.LSED5638@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com>

> Will take heat 
> and a very BIG hammer to separate them.? Loctite 680?? 

FWIW, I have the crank pulley on my street TR3 motor mounted with the RC609
I mentioned before, as the crank nose is worn undersize.  It can be removed
with a puller, though it does take a lot of force.

Randall


From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Sep  9 21:43:50 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 20:43:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Picture from Kastner Cup at Portland Sept 5-6 09
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909092043l5083eb03u5b215cc4bf36f5cb@mail.gmail.com>

I have uploaded a ton of pictures at:

http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/KastnerCupColumbiaRiverClassic09#

When you are at the pictures you can also go uo to the top [all my
public albums] and see all of Morty Dunst racing and getting the Cup
award.

Enjoy and use as you wish with credits.

-- 
Chuck Arnold


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Sep  9 22:28:01 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:28:01 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6/Spit diff parts
In-Reply-To: <200909091911.n89JB4Nu012042@moose.dimebank.com>
References: <200909091911.n89JB4Nu012042@moose.dimebank.com>
Message-ID: <4AA88051.4050404@bradakis.com>

Is this the diff that we installed the Quaife in?  I seem to recall we 
had to use
a 1500 case as the GT6 one was too small to hold the proper carrier.

mjb.


From quicktr4 at comcast.net  Wed Sep  9 22:55:07 2009
From: quicktr4 at comcast.net (quicktr4)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 21:55:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CRC
References: <F19B6077-1F49-4157-A08F-B3E91102C0A8@bnj.com>
	<8CBFFBFA6F63A92-1A10-14944@webmail-m059.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1744304A334B4535AD9EB531F87D7FD4@quickfure2vk6w>

I want to thank all that towed so far to get to the crc. I hade a wonderfull 
time on and off the track with all of you. I will get down to a vara race 
soon. Jeff Quick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <billb at bnj.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC


> THANKS FOR A GREAT WEEKEND, BILL!!
>
>
>
> It was wonderful!
>
>
>
> Of course I didnt have to run in the rain.
>
>
>
> It was good to be with everyone and not have all of the distractions.
>
>
>
> Now en route in Montana after one night near Mt. Hood and one night in 
> northern Idaho.
>
>
>
> Heartland Park in TOPEKA, KS next August should be a good one, too.
>
>
>
> Jan & Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 2:28 pm
> Subject: [Fot] CRC
>
>
>
> Naturally since the CRC weekend is over we're having crystal blue skies 
> with a few high clouds and cool air that would be idea for making ponies. 
> I always consider September to be the Northwest's summer, but it fooled us 
> this year. Still, a fine time, so great to see all of you. Special thanks 
> to the large contingent of California Triumph races. It was nice to put 
> some faces to all those email addresses. Alan, sorry about your car, and 
> thanks for the meatball sub. That one wall has collected a lot of paint 
> over the years. You're in good company, I saw Michael Andretti turn a car 
> back into a kit of parts in exactly the same spot once.?
> ?
> I didn't get many pictures--too busy banging aluminum flat and whining 
> about the weather. I'd like to get all I can to populate the CRC website. 
> If you have any to share I'd greatly appreciate it. Either email them to 
> me or send me a link to an online gallery and I can swipe them from 
> wherever they stand.?
> ?
> Sure was great to see Mordy get the Kastner cup. He surprised the heck out 
> of me running up on Peyote like that. I had to work my tail off to stay in 
> front of him. Great car and a great drive.?
> ?
> Another special thanks to our midwest contingent. I didn't get to spend 
> much time with Tony Drews, and Monday, when it was all over I was walking 
> over to chat and saw his van and trailer headed out the gate! Safe drive, 
> Tony. Hope you had a good time and thanks for making that long haul. Joe 
> Alexander kind of quietly slipped away too--I wasn't the only one looking 
> to say 'bye. I had a bunch of people come to my paddock looking for him.?
> ?
> I think I got to chat with most folks, though as usual, I was distracted 
> by a lot of stuff, and as the poster boy for ADD, distracting me is easy. 
> What was I saying...oh, look, a butterfly. Anyway, fun racing with all of 
> you.?
> ?
> Bill?
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From cak at dimebank.com  Wed Sep  9 23:40:15 2009
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 22:40:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] GT6/Spit diff parts
Message-ID: <200909100540.n8A5eFaq011141@moose.dimebank.com>

> Is this the diff that we installed the Quaife in?  I seem to recall we 
> had to use
> a 1500 case as the GT6 one was too small to hold the proper carrier.

That's the one. I thought that the real problem was that you found
that you didn't have the correct side bearings and couldn't get them
in time to meet my typically compressed time schedule!

I wonder if it has a compression or solid pinion sleeve? :-)


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Thu Sep 10 07:36:44 2009
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:36:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Picture from Kastner Cup at Portland Sept 5-6 09
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References: <8cbd782d0909092043l5083eb03u5b215cc4bf36f5cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03A61BFD6CCB4D42BDC9C7B868249988@your4dacd0ea75>

Excellent pictures Chuck...thanks for posting them

Paul

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From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Chuck Arnold
Sent: September 9, 2009 11:44 PM
To: Friends; Triumph; TRlist
Cc: Chuck
Subject: [Fot] Picture from Kastner Cup at Portland Sept 5-6 09

I have uploaded a ton of pictures at:

http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/KastnerCupColumbiaRiverClassic09#

When you are at the pictures you can also go uo to the top [all my
public albums] and see all of Morty Dunst racing and getting the Cup
award.

Enjoy and use as you wish with credits.

-- 
Chuck Arnold
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From dave at microworks.net  Thu Sep 10 11:29:47 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:29:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
Message-ID: <20090910173108.9D0E21878CF@autox.team.net>

Sent to the Wheel list by the Driver of the car that flipped.

>Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:12:30 -0400
>From: Elizabeth Miller <eracer at IdRatherNotSay.com>
>To: W2W <wheeltowheel at racer.net>
>Subject: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>
>The view from behind:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB8n5I5h6R8


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Thu Sep 10 11:53:53 2009
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:53:53 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
Message-ID: <33173773.1252605234077.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

The attempted pass looks even more pointless from this view.  What about the incident with this spec-racer?  He went semi airborne as well and kept racing.
Is it considered a four-off if the wheels are in the air?

~Steve

-----Original Message-----
>From: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>
>Sent: Sep 10, 2009 10:29 AM
>To: members at dctra.org, fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>
>Sent to the Wheel list by the Driver of the car that flipped.
>
>>Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:12:30 -0400
>>From: Elizabeth Miller <eracer at IdRatherNotSay.com>
>>To: W2W <wheeltowheel at racer.net>
>>Subject: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>>
>>The view from behind:
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB8n5I5h6R8
>
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Sep 10 13:36:42 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:36:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
In-Reply-To: <33173773.1252605234077.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1930690817.2623441252611402961.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Did I hear someone sayB  " Rotate" in the backgound just before liftoff.

jg




----- Original Message -----
From: "steve" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>, "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:53:53 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass

The attempted pass looks even more pointless from this view. B What about the
incident with this spec-racer? B He went semi airborne as well and kept
racing.
Is it considered a four-off if the wheels are in the air?

~Steve

-----Original Message-----
>From: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>
>Sent: Sep 10, 2009 10:29 AM
>To: members at dctra.org, fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>
>Sent to the Wheel list by the Driver of the car that flipped.
>
>>Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:12:30 -0400
>>From: Elizabeth Miller <eracer at IdRatherNotSay.com>
>>To: W2W <wheeltowheel at racer.net>
>>Subject: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>>
>>The view from behind:
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB8n5I5h6R8
>
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 10 13:38:25 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:38:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Shirts
Message-ID: <379125.62327.qm@web57603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

FOT:

For those who requested that 2009 Kastner Cup shirt be mailed you should
receive them in the next few days.

A few people have suggested that I consider a second production run.  If you
would be interested in ordering t-shirts please let me know.  If there is
enough people who want additional shirts I will look into a second run..

Thanks,

Ernie


From andre at gt6.ca  Thu Sep 10 14:33:18 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:33:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
In-Reply-To: <1930690817.2623441252611402961.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1930690817.2623441252611402961.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <66A4A68E-A2A2-4DD4-93E6-C383A3F710A5@gt6.ca>

More like "CONTACT"

Sent from my iPod
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
68 Triumph GT6 MK1 http://www.gt6.ca
77 Fiat 124 #515
http://www.124racer.com

On 2009-09-10, at 3:36 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:

> Did I hear someone sayB  " Rotate" in the backgound just before  
> liftoff.
>
> jg
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "steve" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
> To: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>, "FOT"  
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:53:53 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada  
> Mountain
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>
> The attempted pass looks even more pointless from this view. B What  
> about the
> incident with this spec-racer? B He went semi airborne as well and  
> kept
> racing.
> Is it considered a four-off if the wheels are in the air?
>
> ~Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>
>> Sent: Sep 10, 2009 10:29 AM
>> To: members at dctra.org, fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>>
>> Sent to the Wheel list by the Driver of the car that flipped.
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:12:30 -0400
>>> From: Elizabeth Miller <eracer at IdRatherNotSay.com>
>>> To: W2W <wheeltowheel at racer.net>
>>> Subject: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>>>
>>> The view from behind:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB8n5I5h6R8
>>
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Thu Sep 10 14:49:20 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:49:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
In-Reply-To: <66A4A68E-A2A2-4DD4-93E6-C383A3F710A5@gt6.ca>
References: <1930690817.2623441252611402961.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<66A4A68E-A2A2-4DD4-93E6-C383A3F710A5@gt6.ca>
Message-ID: <07BAFAC2-F243-4B67-9DAE-439F105DFF61@comcast.net>

Actually, he pulled into the pits after his incident - I had to watch  
it a few times too, but the next accident is a separate film clip with  
a fade-in-out between them.  his was not as severe but seems equally  
bad - couldn't even pull over far enough to pass.

On Sep 10, 2009, at 4:33 PM, Andre Rousseau wrote:

More like "CONTACT"

Sent from my iPod
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
68 Triumph GT6 MK1 http://www.gt6.ca
77 Fiat 124 #515
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On 2009-09-10, at 3:36 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:

> Did I hear someone sayB  " Rotate" in the backgound just before  
> liftoff.
>
> jg
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "steve" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
> To: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>, "FOT"  
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:53:53 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada  
> Mountain
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>
> The attempted pass looks even more pointless from this view. B What  
> about the
> incident with this spec-racer? B He went semi airborne as well and  
> kept
> racing.
> Is it considered a four-off if the wheels are in the air?
>
> ~Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>
>> Sent: Sep 10, 2009 10:29 AM
>> To: members at dctra.org, fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>>
>> Sent to the Wheel list by the Driver of the car that flipped.
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:12:30 -0400
>>> From: Elizabeth Miller <eracer at IdRatherNotSay.com>
>>> To: W2W <wheeltowheel at racer.net>
>>> Subject: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>>>
>>> The view from behind:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB8n5I5h6R8
>>
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Thu Sep 10 15:51:54 2009
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:51:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
In-Reply-To: <1930690817.2623441252611402961.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1930690817.2623441252611402961.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS737ADED79802939A7AA5EC3E80@phx.gbl>

I wonder what the VNE of an SRF is?

Terry Stetler...
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
  To: steve<mailto:colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
  Cc: fot<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass


  Did I hear someone sayB  " Rotate" in the backgound just before liftoff.

  jg


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Thu Sep 10 16:02:26 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:02:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <79BD6E272D444748A698D585E2A0FE25@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Amici

After meeting him in person at the CRC this weekend, I would like to
nominate Leighton Sherick to the FOT.  Leighton and his father Greg run
British Parts Northwest.  I used to race Spitfires against Greg back in the
70's.  They have supplied me with quite a number of parts for the 03
Spitfire.  Leighton is very interested in the tacing Triumphs having grown
up at the track.  I also made sure he was aware of the non-commercial nature
of the FOT.

Can I get a second?

Jim Norlin

Also, I want to say how much I enjoyed the weekend.  Thanks to all of you
that travelled to this event.  It was great to finally put faces to so many
of the names I see on the FOT.

-----Original Message-----
From: British Parts NW [mailto:bpnw at onlinemac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:50 PM
To: norlinengineering at comcast.net
Subject: List


Jim,
Great to speak with you.  Here is my email address bpnw at onlinemac.com

Have a good week.

Regards,
Leighton
British Parts Northwest
www.bpnorthwest.com
Phone (503)864-2001
FAX (503)864-2081


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Sep 10 16:42:35 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:42:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon
In-Reply-To: <A8AC5039E4F14500B8E8B0C21AF4CD66@userb38463fba5>
References: <A8AC5039E4F14500B8E8B0C21AF4CD66@userb38463fba5>
Message-ID: <20090910224247.E3DD7187649@autox.team.net>

I met Mike at the CRC, and agree that he should be on the list...

- Tony Drews

At 05:47 AM 9/9/2009, Jerry Van Vlack wrote:
>I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to the FOT. Some of you may have met Mike while
>at Portland this past weekend. Mike is the son in law of a good friend here in
>Ohio and comes from a family with Goodyear Racing Tire background. His father
>was very involved with Goodyear's Racing Tire program for much of his Goodyear
>career and I believe was the Director of the program before he retired. Mike
>is building a car that has a long history of racing in the Mid-west and was
>rebuilt by Bill Lynn of VTR fame a number of years ago.
>
>I'll let Mike introduce himself once he's confirmed.
>
>Mike's e-mail address is mike.mehl at yahoo.com
>
>Can I see a second please.
>
>Jerry Van Vlack
>
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From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Thu Sep 10 18:11:28 2009
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:11:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] tie rod ends for TR4
Message-ID: <000001ca3274$69d607f0$6401a8c0@blake1>

Has anyone fond a suitable replacement tie rod end from a Carquest,
Napa, or the like?  The ones I have from TRF don't engage many threads
on the female threaded portion where the tie rod end connects to the
rack.  I would like to find a tie rod end that has a longer female
threaded section.
 
I planned to bring one to Carquest and dig through their stock but maybe
someone has already done that???
 
Thanks,
 
Greg


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Sep 10 17:14:19 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:14:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] CRC part 1 of 2
Message-ID: <20090910231427.286B3187649@autox.team.net>

Just pulled into home this afternoon and have most of my stuff unloaded.

Had a great time at the CRC!  Seeing the weather forecast Friday 
night and Saturday morning I was looking at a washout.  "If you're 
planning to be out this weekend, Monday afternoon looks to be the 
best time."  Of course, the event ended early afternoon Monday.

However, the rain was off and on, we got in a fair amount of racing 
in the dry and generally the weather wasn't that bad...  I found that 
the new Speedsters that I mounted at the beginning of the weekend 
(got the old set almost down to the cords) worked pretty well in the wet.

Since I had never been to Portland International Raceway before I 
followed John James around in the rain for the first session on 
Saturday morning.  I found that was an excellent way to learn the 
track - low speed, plenty of time to look around.  It was raining 
hard enough to get my suit wet but not hard enough to make the track 
undriveable.  I eventually passed Jeff and started to push it a bit 
in the wet, figuring that I'd need to understand how far I could push 
it.  The 2nd session on Saturday was on a drying track, so I got to 
go a bit faster.  Since most of the field didn't go out in the first 
session, and each session after that was gridded as a race (with the 
grid position based on the finishing order of the prior race) I got 
to start fairly near the front.  Since the TR-3 / TR-4 normal group 
was oversubscribed we were moved to the group with the Corvettes and 
Mustangs.  They came out for this race, so mirror watching was pretty 
important.  Partway through the session, someone oiled down the 
corners at the end of the back straight all the way down the front 
straight.  I had a great dice with Bill Hart Jr. in the Devin TR, 
eventually passing him when he got a wheel in the oil and couldn't 
put down the power.  The Handicap race finished out the day.  I had a 
good run in this, and I believe that Triumphs took the top 6 
spots.  Lunker won it, Jeff Quick was right on his tail, I came in 
3rd with designs on both of them and Mordy FLEW by me right after the 
checkered flag waved.  I didn't even know he was there, I was so 
intent on the first two guys...  This race was entirely on a dry 
track, I think.

Bill and his family (with master chef Henry Frye) put on quite the 
shindig Saturday evening.  Bill Hart and I exchanged pleasantries 
regarding our earlier dice, and Bill and Tony Garmey were beating the 
front of the Peyote back into shape.  Seemed the FV driver who spun 
didn't keep his car locked down and shot back onto the track directly 
into Bill's path.  Grrr.

- Tony Drews


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Sep 10 17:15:26 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:15:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] CRC part 2 of 2
Message-ID: <20090910231532.9403E187649@autox.team.net>

Sunday started off rainy again, I went out in the morning session and 
again tested the tires in the wet.  It wasn't raining very hard, and 
I could carry a fair amount of speed it seemed.  The track was 
drying, but someone was oiling it down at the same time so THAT made 
it interesting.  The BMW's I was racing with didn't seem to figure 
out the oil deal as both of them spun after passing me and one spun 
in my rear view mirror trying to catch back up with me.  They 
thoughtfully scheduled the Kastner Cup All Triumph race immediately 
after lunch on Sunday.  I figured that having it that early in the 
weekend most of the Triumphs would still be running.  They gridded 
this race on "first come first served" and I was 4th to the grid 
(heh, heh).  I figured the California contingent would blow by me in 
short order.  However, during the anthems (both Canadian and USA) it 
started to rain fairly heavily.  This seemed to be in my favor.  As I 
recall, the 250K ("the prototype"), Peyote, and Lunker in his "plum 
pi" (number 3.14) TR-4 were gridded ahead of me.  On the start the #7 
white TR-6 (Creager?) passed me and was quickly up to the 250K.  A 
Herald got by me in a daring pass going into the sweeping corners 
between the front straight and the back straight.  He dive bombed 
Lunker, clipping his rear and both spun off in front of me.  I was 
glad to see both had moved on the next lap.  Lunker came out OK, it 
just hit his wheel, but the Herald retired.  That left me in 4th 
behind the Peyote.  I was keeping up with Bill, but the rain subsided 
and the track started to dry.  Mordy made quick work of me and worked 
on Bill for the rest of the race.  I got passed by another TR-4 
(forget who, maybe Jeff Quick) and ended up finishing 6th.  I was 
pleased with this result!

I don't have a strong recollection of the final race on 
Sunday.  Lunker killed his gearbox and was on the hunt for 
another.  They got it changed in time for Monday's DRY 
racing.  Monday's first race a bunch of the TR-4's decided to start 
at the back and race amongst ourselves.  This didn't work out very 
well, as we got separated and various cars dropped out.  The final 
race I gridded normally and ended up in an excellent dice with a 911 
and Lunker in his TR-4.  Afterwards the 911 driver found us and we 
had the excited debrief of a good race.  That was probably the best 
racing I'd had that weekend.

Unfortunately, due to the rain and my own forgetfulness I didn't get 
any in-car video, and forgot to take pictures of the Triumphs 
in-situ, but did get some of them during the Monday AM Triumph photo 
session.  The whole group made me feel welcome, plenty of Margaritas 
and Beer was to be found (quite the Margarita machine!), and I was 
happy I went.  It was great to see the west coast contingent in 
action.  They sure have some fast Triumphs!

Tony Drews


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu Sep 10 17:42:15 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:42:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
References: <79BD6E272D444748A698D585E2A0FE25@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <AC30177FB18044B090AD93A5289C6586@Charly>

I would second.  I know Greg and Leighton and both are great people and Greg 
has lots of Spit racing knowledge.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <Fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <bpnw at onlinemac.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:02 PM
Subject: [Fot] Nomination


> Amici
>
> After meeting him in person at the CRC this weekend, I would like to
> nominate Leighton Sherick to the FOT.  Leighton and his father Greg run
> British Parts Northwest.  I used to race Spitfires against Greg back in 
> the
> 70's.  They have supplied me with quite a number of parts for the 03
> Spitfire.  Leighton is very interested in the tacing Triumphs having grown
> up at the track.  I also made sure he was aware of the non-commercial 
> nature
> of the FOT.
>
> Can I get a second?
>
> Jim Norlin
>
> Also, I want to say how much I enjoyed the weekend.  Thanks to all of you
> that travelled to this event.  It was great to finally put faces to so 
> many
> of the names I see on the FOT.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: British Parts NW [mailto:bpnw at onlinemac.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:50 PM
> To: norlinengineering at comcast.net
> Subject: List
>
>
> Jim,
> Great to speak with you.  Here is my email address bpnw at onlinemac.com
>
> Have a good week.
>
> Regards,
> Leighton
> British Parts Northwest
> www.bpnorthwest.com
> Phone (503)864-2001
> FAX (503)864-2081
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Sep 10 18:02:35 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:02:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mordy wins Kas Cup
In-Reply-To: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
References: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
Message-ID: <20090911000242.D4D8C187649@autox.team.net>

It was good to see Mordy win the Cup - he certainly deserves it.  He 
has one FAST TR-4.  Nice to see development continue 45 years after production!

- Tony Drews

At 09:22 PM 9/6/2009, Kas Kastner wrote:
>After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the 
>wet,  Mordy Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
>--
>Never be beaten by equipment


From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Sep 10 18:06:38 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:06:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Portland
Message-ID: <CBF260E6765A47E191D9FC23B946770D@Bud>

Does anyone have an in car video from Portland to share?
thanks
Racer Bud
Spitfire #21


From henry at henryfrye.com  Thu Sep 10 19:41:30 2009
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:41:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] CRC
In-Reply-To: <F19B6077-1F49-4157-A08F-B3E91102C0A8@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805056242@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local>

Helen and I ended our Pacific Northwest vacation in Portland to spectate
at the CRC. It's always a little strange to be a the track with no race
car, but I kept myself busy and hopefully out of everybody's way.
Managed to get my hands (and clothes!) dirty, so you know I had a good
time.

Peyote's birthday party was really, really nice. I got volunteered to
work the grill, and enjoyed cooking some of the best lamb I have ever
tasted. Bill's daughter Liz raises a very special breed of sheep on her
ranch. If you like lamb, get Liz's contact info from Bill had have her
ship you some. You will not be disappointed. Many thanks to everybody
involved in the party on Saturday, it was really great fun.

Tony Garmey took some time and showed off some of his handiwork in his
paddock. Along with Bill Hart's Devin TR, Peyote, and the "Prototype",
Tony was taking care of a customer's Devin SS. It was one of the
original 14 turnkey cars Devin produced with V8 power. Tony has done
some of his magic getting this car back on the track, like Hillborn
Injection and the most beautiful custom fuel cell you ever saw. Calling
it art would be doing it a disservice, it really is that beautiful.

The racing was fantastic, really exciting to watch. While the weather
was not great, the racers got to show their stuff in all conditions.
Many sessions were raced in drying conditions, so the guys that really
could read the track did well.

Henry Frye
Carless in Portland


From triosan at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 19:59:05 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:59:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pictures of Mordy racing and getting award
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909101859u58c702f3ve5f18ba8a74126e7@mail.gmail.com>

See I originally sent this out with no subject line, so some may not
have seen it:

http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/MortyDunstAtKAsterCup2009#



-- 
Chuck Arnold


From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 10 20:03:54 2009
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:03:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Thank you I am now on the List
Message-ID: <651283.24218.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I am now on the list.  It was good to meet Tony Drews and a few other folks at
PIR for the CRC this past weekend.  Got a bunch of good tips.  My TR4 is
coming together.  The Southwick conversion is done and in the car.  The engine
is close to being done.   I invested in a HANS this past weekend.  I will use
that in the Club Rabbit I have been running in Seattle and PIR (this weekend)
and of course next summer when the TR4 is up and running.  

Thanks!!!

Mike
Mehl


From triosan at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 20:06:14 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:06:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 4 speed tranny tail piece
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909101906y364e425dxa581602614b5085@mail.gmail.com>

Does anybody have a tail peice left over from converting a 4 speed
TR4-6 tranny to overdrive?  Could use one,and though I got one last
year, I could use the 4 speed main shaft also.  IF so, let me know
your price.  I am in Seattle for shipping cost purposes [zip 98109]
Thanks
-- 
Chuck Arnold


From triosan at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 20:11:28 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:11:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] picture resolution
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909101911v5091e075l8e625edea1a655a9@mail.gmail.com>

IF any of you see pictures you would like from my set please let me
know.  Looks like they lose a lot of pixels when uploaded.

-- 
Chuck Arnold


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Sep 10 20:23:16 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:23:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] tie rod ends for TR4
In-Reply-To: <000001ca3274$69d607f0$6401a8c0@blake1>
References: <000001ca3274$69d607f0$6401a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <000001ca3286$d317a8b0$7946fa10$@com>

I bought a set of tie rod ends from Moss back in 2004 when we were
restoring/building the car.  I didn't have any problems with the amount of
thread engagement as I recall.  The Moss part number is 667-265.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:11 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] tie rod ends for TR4

Has anyone fond a suitable replacement tie rod end from a Carquest,
Napa, or the like?  The ones I have from TRF don't engage many threads
on the female threaded portion where the tie rod end connects to the
rack.  I would like to find a tie rod end that has a longer female
threaded section.
 
I planned to bring one to Carquest and dig through their stock but maybe
someone has already done that???
 
Thanks,
 
Greg
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Sep 10 20:28:19 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:28:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <79BD6E272D444748A698D585E2A0FE25@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
References: <79BD6E272D444748A698D585E2A0FE25@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <8CC009EA8DC58E7-43EC-2EB08@webmail-d028.sysops.aol.com>

SECOND!?



Maybe my fourth trip to Portland, I will get to meet?LEIGHTON & GREG.?



Joe Alexander


-----Original Message-----
From: Norlin Engineering <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Cc: bpnw at onlinemac.com
Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:02 pm
Subject: [Fot] Nomination




Amici

After meeting him in person at the CRC this weekend, I would like to
nominate Leighton Sherick to the FOT.  Leighton and his father Greg run
British Parts Northwest.  I used to race Spitfires against Greg back in the
70's.  They have supplied me with quite a number of parts for the 03
Spitfire.  Leighton is very interested in the tacing Triumphs having grown
up at the track.  I also made sure he was aware of the non-commercial nature
of the FOT.

Can I get a second?

Jim Norlin

Also, I want to say how much I enjoyed the weekend.  Thanks to all of you
that travelled to this event.  It was great to finally put faces to so many
of the names I see on the FOT.

-----Original Message-----
From: British Parts NW [mailto:bpnw at onlinemac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:50 PM
To: norlinengineering at comcast.net
Subject: List


Jim,
Great to speak with you.  Here is my email address bpnw at onlinemac.com

Have a good week.

Regards,
Leighton
British Parts Northwest
www.bpnorthwest.com
Phone (503)864-2001
FAX (503)864-2081
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Sep 10 20:43:39 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:43:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <8CC009EA8DC58E7-43EC-2EB08@webmail-d028.sysops.aol.com>
References: <79BD6E272D444748A698D585E2A0FE25@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<8CC009EA8DC58E7-43EC-2EB08@webmail-d028.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <743DBA1C5145490899ED993927263D75@joepentiumnew>

Great guys to deal with and I love the little candies they throw in with
parts.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:28 PM
To: norlinengineering at comcast.net; Fot at autox.team.net
Cc: bpnw at onlinemac.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination

SECOND!?



Maybe my fourth trip to Portland, I will get to meet?LEIGHTON & GREG.?



Joe Alexander


-----Original Message-----
From: Norlin Engineering <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Cc: bpnw at onlinemac.com
Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:02 pm
Subject: [Fot] Nomination




Amici

After meeting him in person at the CRC this weekend, I would like to
nominate Leighton Sherick to the FOT.  Leighton and his father Greg run
British Parts Northwest.  I used to race Spitfires against Greg back in the
70's.  They have supplied me with quite a number of parts for the 03
Spitfire.  Leighton is very interested in the tacing Triumphs having grown
up at the track.  I also made sure he was aware of the non-commercial nature
of the FOT.

Can I get a second?

Jim Norlin

Also, I want to say how much I enjoyed the weekend.  Thanks to all of you
that travelled to this event.  It was great to finally put faces to so many
of the names I see on the FOT.

-----Original Message-----
From: British Parts NW [mailto:bpnw at onlinemac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:50 PM
To: norlinengineering at comcast.net
Subject: List


Jim,
Great to speak with you.  Here is my email address bpnw at onlinemac.com

Have a good week.

Regards,
Leighton
British Parts Northwest
www.bpnorthwest.com
Phone (503)864-2001
FAX (503)864-2081
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 10 20:56:56 2009
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:56:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <8CC009EA8DC58E7-43EC-2EB08@webmail-d028.sysops.aol.com>
References: <79BD6E272D444748A698D585E2A0FE25@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<8CC009EA8DC58E7-43EC-2EB08@webmail-d028.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <382922.26984.qm@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Second - Leighton and Greg have been a huge help in getting me the right parts
to get my engine back together.  

Mike Mehl
________________________________
From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To:
norlinengineering at comcast.net; Fot at autox.team.net
Cc: bpnw at onlinemac.com
Sent:
Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:28:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination
SECOND!?



Maybe my fourth trip to Portland, I will get to meet?LEIGHTON &
GREG.?



Joe Alexander


-----Original Message-----
From: Norlin Engineering
<norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Cc: bpnw at onlinemac.com
Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:02 pm
Subject: [Fot] Nomination




Amici

After
meeting him in person at the CRC this weekend, I would like to
nominate
Leighton Sherick to the FOT.  Leighton and his father Greg run
British Parts
Northwest.  I used to race Spitfires against Greg back in the
70's.  They have
supplied me with quite a number of parts for the 03
Spitfire.  Leighton is
very interested in the tacing Triumphs having grown
up at the track.  I also
made sure he was aware of the non-commercial nature
of the FOT.

Can I get a
second?

Jim Norlin

Also, I want to say how much I enjoyed the weekend. 
Thanks to all of you
that travelled to this event.  It was great to finally
put faces to so many
of the names I see on the FOT.

-----Original
Message-----
From: British Parts NW [mailto:bpnw at onlinemac.com]
Sent:
Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:50 PM
To: norlinengineering at comcast.net
Subject: List


Jim,
Great to speak with you.  Here is my email address
bpnw at onlinemac.com

Have a good week.

Regards,
Leighton
British Parts
Northwest
www.bpnorthwest.com
Phone (503)864-2001
FAX (503)864-2081
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subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com

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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 10 21:00:26 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:00:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <79BD6E272D444748A698D585E2A0FE25@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <913398.91934.qm@web57616.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

2nd; should be a good person to have along. 

--- On Thu, 9/10/09, Norlin Engineering <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
wrote:

Amici

After meeting him in person at the CRC this weekend, I would like to
nominate Leighton Sherick to the FOT.  Leighton and his father Greg run
British Parts Northwest.  I used to race Spitfires against Greg back in the
70's.  They have supplied me with quite a number of parts for the 03
Spitfire.  Leighton is very interested in the tacing Triumphs having grown
up at the track.  I also made sure he was aware of the non-commercial nature
of the FOT.

Can I get a second?

Jim Norlin


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 10 21:38:51 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:38:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
Message-ID: <777178.33379.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.

Any tips?
Thanks
Dennis DeLap


From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Sep 10 23:28:05 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:28:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff
In-Reply-To: <777178.33379.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <777178.33379.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AA9DFE5.4000905@bradakis.com>

Dennis DeLap wrote:
> Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.
>
> Any tips?
>   

I'll be busy when you need to push the non-running car through the pits
and into a tight paddock space.

mjb.


From chasgee at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 00:18:00 2009
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 02:18:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
In-Reply-To: <777178.33379.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <777178.33379.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CC00BEBF689D90-3808-15DDF@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com>

Dennis,



The key to welding diffs is to preheat the whole assembly prior to welding. This prevents cracking during welding.?I usually preheat to 700 F. Some may not think this is necessary, but I've done it both ways and it does make a difference.



Since I have a furnace and welding machine, you could just send it to me, but that's up to you. I do charge a nominal fee but nothing too outrageous.



The best part about a welded diff is listening to your friends complain about pushing the car around the pits. Since I like to aggravate my friends (as all will attest), this has not been a major problem!


Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:38 pm
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee




Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.

Any tips?
Thanks
Dennis DeLap
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From chasgee at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 00:21:56 2009
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 02:21:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] CRC
In-Reply-To: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805056242@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <8CC00BF4BA7C0B0-3808-15E12@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com>

Henry,



It was great to meet you again at the CRC.? I especially want to thank you for lending us your rental car to drive to registration.? That was greatly appreciated.? Your prowess at the grill should also be commended.? I'll let you know next time I'm in Hartford, maybe you, Helen, and I can do dinner.



Chuck


-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Frye <henry at henryfrye.com>
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC




Helen and I ended our Pacific Northwest vacation in Portland to spectate
at the CRC. It's always a little strange to be a the track with no race
car, but I kept myself busy and hopefully out of everybody's way.
Managed to get my hands (and clothes!) dirty, so you know I had a good
time.

Peyote's birthday party was really, really nice. I got volunteered to
work the grill, and enjoyed cooking some of the best lamb I have ever
tasted. Bill's daughter Liz raises a very special breed of sheep on her
ranch. If you like lamb, get Liz's contact info from Bill had have her
ship you some. You will not be disappointed. Many thanks to everybody
involved in the party on Saturday, it was really great fun.

Tony Garmey took some time and showed off some of his handiwork in his
paddock. Along with Bill Hart's Devin TR, Peyote, and the "Prototype",
Tony was taking care of a customer's Devin SS. It was one of the
original 14 turnkey cars Devin produced with V8 power. Tony has done
some of his magic getting this car back on the track, like Hillborn
Injection and the most beautiful custom fuel cell you ever saw. Calling
it art would be doing it a disservice, it really is that beautiful.

The racing was fantastic, really exciting to watch. While the weather
was not great, the racers got to show their stuff in all conditions.
Many sessions were raced in drying conditions, so the guys that really
could read the track did well.

Henry Frye
Carless in Portland
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Fri Sep 11 00:33:23 2009
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:33:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
In-Reply-To: <8CC00BEBF689D90-3808-15DDF@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com>
References: <777178.33379.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<8CC00BEBF689D90-3808-15DDF@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <65f1eaba0909102333i38238204i16b2a0dbbe361732@mail.gmail.com>

Seriously, you have no idea how Chuck likes to aggravate his friends. But if
Chuckles recommends something its likely right.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:18 PM, <chasgee at aol.com> wrote:

> Dennis,
>
>
>
> The key to welding diffs is to preheat the whole assembly prior to welding.
> This prevents cracking during welding.?I usually preheat to 700 F. Some may
> not think this is necessary, but I've done it both ways and it does make a
> difference.
>
>
>
> Since I have a furnace and welding machine, you could just send it to me,
> but that's up to you. I do charge a nominal fee but nothing too outrageous.
>
>
>
> The best part about a welded diff is listening to your friends complain
> about pushing the car around the pits. Since I like to aggravate my friends
> (as all will attest), this has not been a major problem!
>
>
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:38 pm
> Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
>
>
>
>
> Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.
>
> Any tips?
> Thanks
> Dennis DeLap
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>
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From chasgee at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 00:46:10 2009
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 02:46:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup at the CRC
Message-ID: <8CC00C2AE90E410-3808-15F3D@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com>

All,



As you can tell by the comments, we all had a great time at the CRC.?When we arrived on Friday, the skies were clear and everything looked great.?When we woke up Saturday, the sky was dark and it was raining.?Being from Southern California this was a unique experience, especially on the track. It took me a whole lap and a half to put my car into the wall.? I wasn't doing anything crazy at the time, just lack of wet weather driving experience.? Fortunately, I just damaged sheet metal but the car looked terrible.? Thanks to my fantastic group of friends, we managed to pull everything fairly straight to where the car looked almost presentable.? I happened to bring both blue and silver spray paint and found a new tail light at the british car swapmeet.? It dried out Saturday afternoon and I got some confidence back, but I still took it easy, especially near the place I lost it.



After avoiding the wet?session Sunday morning, I was excited to see that it was dry when we went to pregrid for the Kastner Cup race.?It started raining at about the 2 minute mark on grid.?I took it careful and slow during that race and was lapped twice by the leaders.?I figured that was better than the alternative, so I?swallowed my pride and was way off pace.? It dried out for the late session and I managed to work my way from the back to 7th.



Monday started off dry, but turned wet again about half way through. I managed to?hold my 7th place, but that pesky Herald?got by me. It dried out again for the last race and managed a?3rd place. A good way to finish.



I met a lot?of great FOTers, including Bill Babcock (great party Bill!) and Jim Norlin.?Both of these guys are fantastic.?If either of you ever come down this way please look me up.?



Thanks again to my friends who helped fix my car.?I wouldn't have enjoyed the weeked as much without you.



Thanks also to Allen and Aleta Weins?for their hospitality and for loaning my a clutch and transmission out of his wrecked car.?Too bad about his car, it was much worse than mine.



Congrats to Mordy for the Kastner Cup. A very deserving recipient!



Chuck


From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Fri Sep 11 02:19:43 2009
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:19:43 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
In-Reply-To: <777178.33379.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <777178.33379.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <048E0FF4B49A47FFBCB9160D2254CCD0@GEOFFPC>

Dennis
I have welded up several diffs with no problem. I mig in a piece of quarter 
plate between the side gear . I have never preheated and had no problems . 
Just remember to allow clearance for the axles to pass right through the 
side gears or you make have to cut a bit off the end of the axle. How do i 
know!
Geoff Byrne
TR6 racer down under
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis DeLap" <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:38 PM
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee


> Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.
>
> Any tips?
> Thanks
> Dennis DeLap
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Fri Sep 11 07:37:25 2009
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 07:37:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
Message-ID: <20090911.073725.2848.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Dennis,
How about TIG weld filling some of the spider gear teeth, preventing them
rotating and effectively locking the unit. If needed, you can refit
standard spider gears to return original function. Uses a lot less energy
to accomplish, as well. There are some applications available (not TR)
that you can buy spider gears that have not had all their teeth machined.
There is a little backlash slop going this way but I've never had the
opportunity to verify what, if anything is getting beaten up by that
slop, or if it is protective of other parts.
Bill
 
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Dennis DeLap
<yellow-green at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.
> 
> Any tips?
> Thanks
> Dennis DeLap
> 
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 08:43:46 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:43:46 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??
Message-ID: <cd3.5f397e87.37dbbc22@aol.com>

Amici,
 
I was just alerted to a Spitty racer for sale here in Vegas for  $1700.  
Sounds like it could be worth looking at .
 
Any opinions ?  should I call the guy?


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 08:57:40 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:57:40 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??
Message-ID: <c34.5ef28c34.37dbbf64@aol.com>

_http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/1345070214.html_ 
(http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/1345070214.html) 
 
 
I've sent an Email.  That's enough at this point.  Why would I  want 
another racer when I've got two already!  I must be nuts...
 
 
In a message dated 9/11/2009 7:54:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
andre at gt6.ca writes:

Oh after  looking at the Kas weekend stuff you know I'm feeling glum
about not being  in a Triumph.

What are the stats?

Right now I just need a fuel  cell and the FIAT is race ready. I will
be welding in the bar setup with  new plates very soon. Cage next year.

I have to pull the wheel studs  out. The PO bored out a of 100mm wheels
to make them 98. Holes are oval  shape. IDIOT.

Anyhow the racing FIAT group have a set of 13" wheels  with RA-1's
waiting for me. I'll pull the studs and use some FIAT bolts  until I
buy a new set of long studs and open nuts.

Trying to do this  on a seriously low budget.

You see what Chuck did to the wall? Will be  mend the spit or launch
the GT6 next  season?

A.

2009/9/11  <Gt6steve at aol.com>:
>  Amici,
>
> I was just alerted to a Spitty racer for sale here in  Vegas for  $1700.
> Sounds like it could be worth looking at  .
>
> Any opinions ?  should I call the guy?
>
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'77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 -  http://www.124racer.com/
Ottawa, ON,  Canada


From riverside at southslope.net  Fri Sep 11 09:40:53 2009
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:40:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
References: <20090911.073725.2848.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
Message-ID: <003e01ca32f6$3f89a790$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>

My experience is similar.   We first tried welding gears together,
but the welds cracked and made some debris.   Then we
just filled enough low spots to minimize rotation.  still
had a little debris from drain to drain.  Never harmed bearings
or seals.

art de armond

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
To: <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee


> Dennis,
> How about TIG weld filling some of the spider gear teeth, preventing them
> rotating and effectively locking the unit. If needed, you can refit
> standard spider gears to return original function. Uses a lot less energy
> to accomplish, as well. There are some applications available (not TR)
> that you can buy spider gears that have not had all their teeth machined.
> There is a little backlash slop going this way but I've never had the
> opportunity to verify what, if anything is getting beaten up by that
> slop, or if it is protective of other parts.
> Bill
>
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Dennis DeLap
> <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net> writes:
>> Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.
>>
>> Any tips?
>> Thanks
>> Dennis DeLap
>>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Sep 11 10:02:15 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:02:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??
In-Reply-To: <c34.5ef28c34.37dbbf64@aol.com>
References: <c34.5ef28c34.37dbbf64@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FEDD9A5A52DF4D2690465EA7F1F0DAA7@joepentiumnew>

I totally disagree with the statement that it is still competitive in
D-Modified.  No Spitfire powered car can possibly be competitive against the
kit car (Lotus 7's) with the 2 Liter High Revving engines that have been
allowed in that class in recent years.  Putting a Honda 2 Liter VTEC engine
didn't do it in my car and I can't see how a highly modified 1500 Spit
engine could come close.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Gt6steve at aol.com
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:58 AM
To: andre at gt6.ca
Cc: FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??

_http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/1345070214.html_ 
(http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/1345070214.html) 
 
 
I've sent an Email.  That's enough at this point.  Why would I  want 
another racer when I've got two already!  I must be nuts...
 
 
In a message dated 9/11/2009 7:54:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
andre at gt6.ca writes:

Oh after  looking at the Kas weekend stuff you know I'm feeling glum
about not being  in a Triumph.

What are the stats?

Right now I just need a fuel  cell and the FIAT is race ready. I will
be welding in the bar setup with  new plates very soon. Cage next year.

I have to pull the wheel studs  out. The PO bored out a of 100mm wheels
to make them 98. Holes are oval  shape. IDIOT.

Anyhow the racing FIAT group have a set of 13" wheels  with RA-1's
waiting for me. I'll pull the studs and use some FIAT bolts  until I
buy a new set of long studs and open nuts.

Trying to do this  on a seriously low budget.

You see what Chuck did to the wall? Will be  mend the spit or launch
the GT6 next  season?

A.

2009/9/11  <Gt6steve at aol.com>:
>  Amici,
>
> I was just alerted to a Spitty racer for sale here in  Vegas for  $1700.
> Sounds like it could be worth looking at  .
>
> Any opinions ?  should I call the guy?
>
>  _______________________________________________
>
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Sep 11 10:28:30 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:28:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??
In-Reply-To: <FEDD9A5A52DF4D2690465EA7F1F0DAA7@joepentiumnew>
References: <c34.5ef28c34.37dbbf64@aol.com>
	<FEDD9A5A52DF4D2690465EA7F1F0DAA7@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111222330.4788@isis.mit.edu>

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Joe Curry wrote:

> I totally disagree with the statement that it is still competitive in
> D-Modified.  No Spitfire powered car can possibly be competitive against the
> kit car (Lotus 7's) with the 2 Liter High Revving engines that have been
> allowed in that class in recent years.  Putting a Honda 2 Liter VTEC engine
> didn't do it in my car and I can't see how a highly modified 1500 Spit
> engine could come close.

Substitute "car is FUN in DM" and leave the rest alone.

Put a V8 in it along with a Miata rear suspension and it might be 
competitive in the class (or even better - in XP).

No offense, but the driver winds up being a big factor too. I know that's 
why my TR6 sucks at national level events.

:-)

I would have been about 6 seconds slower than John Thomas in FP at this 
years Nationals (had my boss "allowed me" to take vacation), but I would 
have been 7 seconds behind the turbo-Mazda 13B powered AH Sprite in EM.

:-0

That's based on my consistent times compared to folks from my region at 
nationals.

But for under $2k, that car would be a GREAT starting point for an 
autocrosser wannabe, no question about it.

> Joe C.

regards,
rml
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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Sep 11 10:47:03 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:47:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111222330.4788@isis.mit.edu>
References: <c34.5ef28c34.37dbbf64@aol.com>
	<FEDD9A5A52DF4D2690465EA7F1F0DAA7@joepentiumnew>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111222330.4788@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <6B3160BA35A549C091D053A72288D1EB@joepentiumnew>

DM tops out at 2 Liter.  If you put in a V8 (unless it is a teeny V8) you
would be in EM.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
Substitute "car is FUN in DM" and leave the rest alone.

Put a V8 in it along with a Miata rear suspension and it might be 
competitive in the class (or even better - in XP).

No offense, but the driver winds up being a big factor too. I know that's 
why my TR6 sucks at national level events.

:-)

I would have been about 6 seconds slower than John Thomas in FP at this 
years Nationals (had my boss "allowed me" to take vacation), but I would 
have been 7 seconds behind the turbo-Mazda 13B powered AH Sprite in EM.

:-0

That's based on my consistent times compared to folks from my region at 
nationals.

But for under $2k, that car would be a GREAT starting point for an 
autocrosser wannabe, no question about it.


regards,
rml
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From cwnfot at gmail.com  Fri Sep 11 11:02:55 2009
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:02:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??
In-Reply-To: <6B3160BA35A549C091D053A72288D1EB@joepentiumnew>
References: <c34.5ef28c34.37dbbf64@aol.com>
	<FEDD9A5A52DF4D2690465EA7F1F0DAA7@joepentiumnew>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111222330.4788@isis.mit.edu>
	<6B3160BA35A549C091D053A72288D1EB@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <000001ca3301$b5cf0e30$216d2a90$@com>

Good grief guys!

For $1700 it will provide a lot of fun and be competitive if the other cars
all perform to that level. If Joe shows up he'll blow their doors off, for
sure.

We AC'd a 1967 Spitfire in the 70's and 80's that was so rusty you had to
lift on the doors to shut them. The 1147 engine was ported, bored and
balanced, suspension lowered and had koni shocks. We had 4-6 drivers for it
and ran old radials or Formula Ford tires from Lime Rock. If nothing else we
were competitive amongst ourselves and back then 3 or more entrants made
their own class depending on the club. Once a PCA friend drove the car and
he loved it so much he said "don't change a thing!"

For $1700 if the car was near me I would be mighty tempted to go have some
fun again!

Clark


From chasgee at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 11:21:02 2009
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:21:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] pics of my car
Message-ID: <8CC011B5EFEEBEF-342C-1DA80@webmail-m090.sysops.aol.com>

Does anyone have pics of my car after I hit the wall?? I didn't bring a camera with me and was too busy anyway.? Please send along if you do.



Thanks,



Chuck


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Fri Sep 11 11:23:46 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:23:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??
In-Reply-To: <000001ca3301$b5cf0e30$216d2a90$@com>
References: <c34.5ef28c34.37dbbf64@aol.com>
	<FEDD9A5A52DF4D2690465EA7F1F0DAA7@joepentiumnew>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111222330.4788@isis.mit.edu>
	<6B3160BA35A549C091D053A72288D1EB@joepentiumnew>
	<000001ca3301$b5cf0e30$216d2a90$@com>
Message-ID: <E19FAEA9-C9D7-4348-86DC-5A71F89DF028@comcast.net>

Clark's talked me into it.  If anyone is coming east with a trailer,  
I'll buy it.  Good car to run PA hillclimbs in.  If I go off the road  
and hit a boulder,  it's a parts car at this price.


On Sep 11, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote:

Good grief guys!

For $1700 it will provide a lot of fun and be competitive if the other  
cars
all perform to that level. If Joe shows up he'll blow their doors off,  
for
sure.

We AC'd a 1967 Spitfire in the 70's and 80's that was so rusty you had  
to
lift on the doors to shut them. The 1147 engine was ported, bored and
balanced, suspension lowered and had koni shocks. We had 4-6 drivers  
for it
and ran old radials or Formula Ford tires from Lime Rock. If nothing  
else we
were competitive amongst ourselves and back then 3 or more entrants made
their own class depending on the club. Once a PCA friend drove the car  
and
he loved it so much he said "don't change a thing!"

For $1700 if the car was near me I would be mighty tempted to go have  
some
fun again!

Clark
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From herald948 at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 12:46:53 2009
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:46:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??
In-Reply-To: <000001ca3301$b5cf0e30$216d2a90$@com>
References: <c34.5ef28c34.37dbbf64@aol.com><FEDD9A5A52DF4D2690465EA7F1F0DAA7@joepentiumnew><Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111222330.4788@isis.mit.edu><6B3160BA35A549C091D053A72288D1EB@joepentiumnew>
	<000001ca3301$b5cf0e30$216d2a90$@com>
Message-ID: <8CC01275D501D0F-1E88-7B8A@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Clark W. Nicholls <cwnfot at gmail.com>










Good grief guys!

For $1700 it will provide a lot of fun and be competitive if the other cars
all perform to that level. If Joe shows up he'll blow their doors off, for
sure....

==AM==
I'm with Clark here! (I never got to see that particular infamous Spitfire, but I think one of the spare
bonnets in my garage is from that very car, thanks to Clark!)

Some of you have heard the following story before, so bear with me....

A buddy and I picked up an abandoned ex-GP Spitfire 4 back around 1983 for almost nothing (package deal with a '73
1500 Spitfire street car). It look a lot of paint and a few odd gaskets and seals, but very little else (except for
a pair of doors -- thanks, Clark!) to get it going, and it became a great little budget Solo II car. Loads of fun
for very little money. Like Clark, we used mostly cast-off FF slicks and such. It was good enough to win FTD occasionally
in local Solo II events as well as at the VTR National Conventions in 1986 and 1989.

At the '89 Convention, it even attracted the attention of a gentleman who expressed some interest in trying it,
and we were only too happy to let him do so. To this day, I still believe that, if he'd had something for his feet other
than the bulky dress shoes that caused him to jam both brake and gas at the same time, Mike Rothschild would've taken FTD
from me at that event. (Yeah, THAT Mike Rothschild!) I could not have "purchased" that treasured experience and memory
for 10,000 times what we'd spent on that abandoned Spit.

In its prime, it was probably not much more than a mid-pack Regional GP car; by today's standards, the engine and other modificiations were barely "warmed over
street" level. And by the mid-1990s, I wasn't using it nearly as much anyway (young children and all that). Outside of VTR National Conventions, i.e., any local Solo II event,
it was barely competitive with "stock" Neons. But I didn't care, 'cause it was still fun!

--Andy Mace



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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 13:29:47 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:29:47 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Spitty for sale...
Message-ID: <d63.3fd563e3.37dbff2b@aol.com>

The Spitty has sold to the first guy that looked at it.
 
There's still a Yellow GT6 MK3 racer available  though...


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Sep 11 13:42:51 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:42:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spitty for sale...
In-Reply-To: <d63.3fd563e3.37dbff2b@aol.com>
References: <d63.3fd563e3.37dbff2b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111542000.4788@isis.mit.edu>

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:

> The Spitty has sold to the first guy that looked at it.
>
> There's still a Yellow GT6 MK3 racer available  though...

There's also another Spit on that board:

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/1368816464.html

Looks like a good starter car, although for the $$$ there'd better be a 
LOT of spares.

rml
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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Sep 11 13:59:41 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:59:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitty for sale...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111542000.4788@isis.mit.edu>
References: <d63.3fd563e3.37dbff2b@aol.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111542000.4788@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <40F8C628647544D19C6741B076905D8F@joepentiumnew>

Quite a disparity in price between this one and the last!  :)

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Robert Lang
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:43 PM
To: Gt6steve at aol.com
Cc: FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitty for sale...

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:

> The Spitty has sold to the first guy that looked at it.
>
> There's still a Yellow GT6 MK3 racer available  though...

There's also another Spit on that board:

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/1368816464.html

Looks like a good starter car, although for the $$$ there'd better be a 
LOT of spares.

rml
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Sep 11 14:42:24 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:42:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spitty for sale...
In-Reply-To: <40F8C628647544D19C6741B076905D8F@joepentiumnew>
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On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Joe Curry wrote:

> Quite a disparity in price between this one and the last!  :)

Ya, you shoulda jumped when you had the chance!!!


> Joe C.

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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Sep 11 14:46:23 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:46:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitty for sale...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111642001.4788@isis.mit.edu>
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With two Spits and no job, it's kinds hard to jump on any price.

Joe C.

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From: Robert Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu] 
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:42 PM
To: Joe Curry
Cc: Gt6steve at aol.com; FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Fot] Spitty for sale...

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Joe Curry wrote:

> Quite a disparity in price between this one and the last!  :)

Ya, you shoulda jumped when you had the chance!!!


> Joe C.

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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 11 16:41:33 2009
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:41:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 front spindles strengthened
Message-ID: <868412.22264.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I have made the investment in the Southwick conversion for my rear axle and
want to strengthen up the front so I don't have the reported lack of pedal. 
For those of you who ran last weekend at PIR, I have spun at the end of the
back stretch three times in the rabbit so I want to make sure I have brakes. 
I taked to Ken at British Frame and Engine and he said that Joe Alexander is
the guy who makes them and monitors this forum.  Can you guys put me in touch
with him or give me some hints on the front of the car as I get it together.
Thanks

Mike Mehl


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Fri Sep 11 18:39:43 2009
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:39:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] tie rod ends for TR4
In-Reply-To: <000001ca3274$69d607f0$6401a8c0@blake1>
References: <000001ca3274$69d607f0$6401a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <0KPU003YL1U9UHT1@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net>

At 08:11 PM 9/10/2009, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:
>Has anyone fond a suitable replacement tie rod end from a Carquest,
>Napa, or the like?  The ones I have from TRF don't engage many threads
>on the female threaded portion where the tie rod end connects to the
>rack.  I would like to find a tie rod end that has a longer female
>threaded section.
>
>I planned to bring one to Carquest and dig through their stock but maybe
>someone has already done that???

Greg, it took me awhile to remember where I saw this: 
http://classicmotorsports.net/articles/turn-triumph-turn/   The 
article mentions Carquest p/n
ES401R and ES401L.

hth

jim

--
J.C. Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
98.9% finished, 90% to go 


From Herald948 at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 20:15:41 2009
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:15:41 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Spitty for sale...
Message-ID: <c27.698ea8e8.37dc5e4d@aol.com>

In a message dated 9/11/2009 3:50:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
lang at isis.mit.edu writes:

There's  also another Spit on that  board:

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/1368816464.html

Looks  like a good starter car, although for the $$$ there'd better be a 
LOT of  spares.
 
==AM==
Geez, depending on the "period," my car is far more "period correct"! I  
mean, the infamous Hardly Boys RaceSpit 4 has NO rollcage (just a fairly stout 
 bar), single-circuit brake system, original fuel tank (with trunk-mounted 
Bendix  fuel pump), etc., etc. ;) 
 
That's one of many reasons why we decided NOT to go racing with what even  
in 1983 was a long-abandoned race car. It would've cost too much even then 
just  to make it a legal "school" car, let alone competitive on any level of  
Production racing....
 
--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph 
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sat Sep 12 02:46:53 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 02:46:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] One more view from the CRC part one
Message-ID: <5F229567-553D-425D-9D50-E64DE6F09BCF@earthlink.net>

Hello All,
In typical Lunker fashion, this isn't going to be brief but a story  
worth telling with some lessons worth my remembering - putting them  
to print might help...
What a wonderful event! SOVREN put on a true Class Act. Great workers  
from both the track and the club [many Triumph enthusiasts], a fun  
course [thankfully not to hard to learn], and I don't think the  
schedule ever faltered. As always at a Kastner Cup race, it was great  
to put names with faces and cars as well as seeing those I only meet  
up with occasionally. The 1/2 lap track tour I got in the '24 Bentley  
Drophead [in the rain] was an act all in itself. Although it was a A+  
for "Class Act" it was a D- in terms of track familiarization.
The FoT also put on a Class act of our own. I got several comments  
from SOVREN regulars about our "Spirit of  Vintage" - seemingly like  
members of one team converging from all over to keep 'em rollin'.  
Three different body shops [ Chuck, Jerry and Bill] and as many or  
more transmission swap shops. How many transmissions did we go thru  
as a group? I [we - right Henry?] changed one but killed two, heard  
Jerry Barker killed 4, Chuck swapped one and Mordy finished with a 3  
speed and TR3 Peter from B.C. [I'm going to nominate him once I find  
his info] loaded up Sunday also with a 3 speed... how many did I  
miss? Chuck's visit to the swap meet for a tail light explains a lot  
- Connie was in awe thinking he actually had a spare in his kit! What  
a team we have!!! There were many of you that I didn't [sorry] take  
the time to seek out, but met FoT enthusiasm everywhere.
My first run of the event was my best showing - The Albuquerque/ 
Portland Enduro. Gave Connie a 3 day head start. She flew, Barley and  
I towed. Got on the road 1 hour late of my already 12 hour late  
"revised" schedule. 13 hours late with 1400 miles to make it up...  
piece of cake. OK, so Connie did have 2 1/2 days of business in Vegas  
in route but thats what a handicap race is all about. 1396 miles   
with a 27.5 hour E.T. = 50.76 MPH including fuel stops and a 4 hour  
truck-stop nap. The very moment I pulled under the hotel canopy was  
when the phone rang - Connie's flight was 20 minutes early! Did a  
quick check-in and off to pick her up. Got to "Arrivals" 6 minutes  
before her scheduled ETA so I'm calling it a win. Set out for the  
nearest gas station. About 8 miles into the search it dawned on me  
that since there is no Self Serve in Oregon, there just is not gas to  
be had at every corner convenience store. Although I spent 10 years  
in Oregon I couldn't explain the no self-serv law to Connie - anyone  
know why/how that archaic law manages to still be on the books? Knew  
we were going to run out but no big deal - got to the shoulder, got a  
splash-&-go by running the race car fuel pump, and we were on our  
way. That lasted for about 5 more miles of searching until it died  
again at a rush-hour stop light ... now we were screwed. In less than  
one cycle of the light a mini-van driving, tow strap totin' good sam  
pulled part-way into the intersection, hooked us up and dragged us  
thru to the shoulder. A bit more patience with the racer fuel pump  
got us enough to get back to the hotel. Naturally I found gas within  
a block. Once again proving her sainthood, Connie actually found this  
all mildly amusing - thought it was "cute" that I would risk running  
out for the sake of not making her wait at the airport. That was it  
for Thursday. Got to the track Friday A.M. and were the first at  
registration. First time I've been in time to be first to register.  
For Anything. Ever! Got unloaded, pit set up, thru tech, etc. All  
good. Next was one of my best strategies of the whole weekend - Seek  
out Stewards, Marshals, Corner Workers. Anyone with any influence   
who would listen to my story. Leaky rear main - yes. Diaper - yes.  
Dripping on the exhaust - yes. Smoking - yes. Long tow - yes. Oiling  
track - NO. Spread the word as best I could. Even went so far as to  
bring Fran - Chief of black-flag station - a bouquet of roses freshly  
poached from the hotel. Worked! I did get the furled black pointed my  
way a time or two for smoking, it only resulted in a post race trip  
to black flag where Fran would tell me it was time to change the  
diaper. All well and feeling ready for Saturday rain or shine. Boy  
was I heading for a rude awakening!

Stay tuned, more to follow.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sat Sep 12 02:50:41 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg Lunker Hilyer)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 02:50:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] One more view part 2
Message-ID: <D9E048E9-B4A5-4E18-80D5-0A9712659925@earthlink.net>

Saturday dawned just ducky... perfect for ducks and those who like to  
drive in the rain. I like slippery and was actually pretty giddy in  
anticipation of the "equalizing" conditions. First session was  
combination first time on track/practice/qualifying. What a rude  
awakening! [Note to self - Of 10 year old, rock hard AND over- 
inflated street tires, rains are not made]. First time I've ever been  
the moving chicane and felt like a genuine hazard. I couldn't even  
accelerate in a straight line let alone brake or turn. If it wasn't  
for really needing the track time, I would have bagged it and come  
in. As it was I was being passed by everything, sometimes a pack at a  
time on both sides, with the folks on the out-side not having a clue  
that even at street speeds I was doing my best not to drift right  
into them. Never saw the qualifying times but would imagine I was 3  
minutes plus. This was simply not going to do. Skipped the next race  
while I went over to the Washington side for new street tires for the  
wet [Got a outrageously good deal on a set of Bridgestone's that will  
ultimately go on Connie's P1800]. 40 minutes to spare before the  
Battle of Britain race and naturally it was clearing and on went the  
Hoosiers. By virtue of my miserable qualifying session combined with  
a inverted grid, I started 3rd or 4th. Although the car had a bad but  
occasional misfire for about 1/3rd of every lap [very audible from  
the stands I was told] , I managed to build a pretty good lead and  
got a bit complacent. Until Jeff Quick and a whole gaggle of TR4s  
appeared in my mirrors that is, and in no time at all Jeff made a  
great pass. Then it was on again with us changing positions at least  
a few times in the final laps. I've endeared the Plum Pi many times  
in the past with statements like "proud of that little car", "never  
ceases to amaze me" etc.  and even gone so far as to give it a name -  
something I just don't do to inanimate objects - but the car must  
have something [beyond my understanding] going on. For the last four  
laps it mysteriously gave me all 4 cylinders ALL the time for the  
win. Very cool that TR4s swept 1st-4th out of a 26 car field. Skipped  
the last race of the day and chased the mysterious misfire.  
Unfortunate that I played with so many things at once that I'll never  
be certain what the root cause was.
Sunday A.M. was light drizzle turning to real rain for the practice -  
I passed on that one. Black Flag Fran gave me two great tips. 1- put  
2 rains on one side of the car, 2 drys on the other side and wait for  
the call to grid to decide which two to take off. 2 - before  
deciding, look down the front straight... if it's raining but you can  
see the hills, you'll be OK. If the hills are socked in, put on the  
rains. Worked and was correct every time. First race was wet and went  
OK. Must have been pretty uneventful as I don't remember much other  
than that the car ran strong and I didn't embarrass myself. Next up  
was the Kastner Cup. A little bird named Irv came by and gave me the  
heads-up that we would be gridded first-come, first-served at the  
grid and was the first production car behind the specials. Great! Not  
a bad start and Yes Bill B., in hindsight I must have tried a move at  
turn 1 because after the hit I was never within range again.  *****   
Break in the commentary here and no offense to any reader, but I'm  
getting really tired of being hit in the first lap of the feature  
race. Two events in a row now. Sandia 8/15, Alfa hard into RR tire/ 
fender/door on turn 9 of the first lap. Didn't put me off but brought  
me in fearing fender over tire and that was the race. PIR Kastner cup  
9/6, hit exactly opposite side tire/fender [missed door] turn 8 [?]  
of first lap. [ Note to self - "owning the line" has no power over a  
divebomber with locked-up brakes. If I really, REALLY, don't want to  
be hit, I had better give wide berth to all unknown vessels.]  ****    
Anyway, the Cup race started in a downpour but given Fran's advice I  
knew I had made the right decision to go on race rubber. The race to  
turn 1 went fine as did the next few corners. I think the back side  
may have gotten a bit more rain than the start, but at any rate we  
all started to stack up a bit coming into the first slowish corner  
[8? or is that 7?]. I knew I was about to be hit the moment before  
impact. In the moments before going off I had time for two thoughts  
[well three if you include s**t, not again]. 1- this club has no 4- 
off rule and 2- I'm going backwards off the track... I'm still going  
backwards but I'm not going to get t-boned.... I'm running out of  
pavement.... but if I crank the wheel right about......... NOW, I can  
pull a Rockford Files turn and end up going the right direction. Got  
say that it worked perfect - car still running - grabbed first,  
straighten out a bit, into second [last time it worked when I needed  
it] and eased back on-track at a gentle angle and back in the hunt  
somewhere near the back of the pack.    *****   Another break in the  
commentary for a Op-Ed. - Makes me wonder about the wisdom of no 4- 
off rule for our level of racing - having a shaken/startled/maybe  
damaged/maybe angry driver come back on track with pursuit in mind  
might not be the best thing - glad I was only a couple of those  
things at the time .   *****    Next time into the chicane was the  
next time I was counting on 2nd gear. It wasn't there. I couldn't  
believe I missed a shift but none the less, 2nd wasn't there, the car  
wasn't about to rotate and there wasn't any way I was going to make  
it. Rather than doing something stupid and sideways I drove up up the  
chicane and parked - No way to safely come back on after that one. A  
few went by and back on again. Found second a time or two after that  
but even holding it in wasn't working. Last time I tried it sounded  
like the proverbial bag of marbles. Third was soon to follow. Spent  
the last laps holding it in third with lots of left foot braking when  
I had to but using 4th for most of a lap. Felt pretty good about  
working my way back to 8th.

Stay tuned, more to follow.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM 


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sat Sep 12 02:50:57 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg Lunker Hilyer)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 02:50:57 -0600
Subject: [Fot] One more view part 3
Message-ID: <4C947969-E9BE-4164-818D-9EB4CFA35EEB@earthlink.net>

Enter Henry Frye. Not that he wasn't there helping all along but his  
first eureka moment was when he put two and two together in a way I  
might never have. I had the trans most of the way out [with no  
replacement yet in hand] when he enlightened me as to the cause of  
the failure - Yes, I was under lots of power in 2nd when I got hit.  
Yes, my rear is locked. YES, second must have taken tremendous  
loading when the wheel got hit. Solid conclusion. Begin the hunt for  
a trans. Tony Garmey had a 6 box but no clutch disk [my C/R disk  
doesn't have compatible splines]. No worry - I drilled and eventually  
cut the already FUBAR fork shaft out of his trans. knowing that I  
would somewhere come up with a compatible plate and use my fork and  
shaft. Got dressed in funny cloths and went to the Vintage Dress  
party. We were there about 5 minutes when Bill Babcock tells me he  
has a disk if I want to follow him to the house. Great! Connie and I  
grab a couple plates of BBQ to go and follow him out. Thus begins the  
most hair raising drive of the weekend. Following his Ferrari [F355?]  
on regular surface streets was fine, but challenging. Then comes the  
hill country of his home track. I'm driving a well loaded Chev PU  
while Connie is doing her best Human Gimbal act with two heavily  
loaded plates of food. I've put maybe 75,000 miles on that truck and  
have never before broken traction on bare pavement. Gee, maybe it's  
the racer in me but damn if I'm going to poke along to find a  
giggling Ferrari driver waiting for me at the top of some unknown  
hill. Stuck with him as best I could - sliding blind corners, on  
coming traffic, Connie balancing plates and all. OK, so I did manage  
to roll a cigarette but that's not the point! Upon arrival at Casa de  
Babcock, Bill proceeded to give me a brief tour while searching for  
the needed disk. Diane poured drinks and fully entertained Connie.  
Barley sat down in the front seat and enjoyed 2 big plates of BBQ.  
The needed disk proved to be elusive. Finally Bill took me up to a  
trailer full of TR parts, picked the best looking 3 box he had and  
said 'bet we'll find a disk for this! He did. Used but as near new as  
one could hope for. Life was good again and down the hill we went.  
Minus two plates of mediocre food but plus one [donated] transmission  
and clutch disk. Henry was going to meet me at 7 A.M. to help with  
the install and, like I said, life was again good. Hungry but good.  
Woke at 6 with the certain realization that I still didn't have  
compatible parts. Called Henry at 6:15 and told him to go back to  
bed, I'd call if I found the compatible disk. I've been thru so many  
instances of TR4 pressure plate/ 6 disk, 6 plate Dolomite/7 disk etc.  
etc. that I'm easily confused. 7:08 A.M. enter Henry again. There to  
SHOW me that I've got the right stuff. Right he was. Before going  
further he pointed out that the TR3 T/O carrier would NOT work with a  
diaphragm pressure plate - something I never would have got until I  
installed it and it didn't work. Swapped it from my old trans and we  
were on our way. Made up a crude pilot gauge [no alignment tool  
handy] and let Henry eyeball the fit. After one 3 minute false start  
[with Henry up top and me under] the bellhousing found home and it  
was just nuts and bolts after that. Had to admit to Henry that rarely  
have I had a trans hit home so easily. Also had to admit that he was  
the first person to EVER turn a wrench on my car before! [Note to  
self - GOOD help is actually helpful]. Still turning wrenches during  
the FoT family photo and passed on practice but was good and ready  
for the first race of Monday. Had a pretty good run going until the  
meatball. Thought sure my oil leak had finally caught up with me but  
NOO! I think what happened is that they somehow thought that the tail  
pipe on the track [Mordy's]  was mine. Regardless of how quick my  
Black Flag Station stop was, it didn't matter, the car knew the race  
was over [here I am giving it human qualities again] and refused to  
go but 100 feet further. Now I'm stopped in a very bad spot - off  
line but exactly where an errant car would go if blowing the last  
turn. Thanks to a strong Optima batt., I was able to back into the  
grid on the starter. Back to the pits and troubleshooting a  
electrical glitch. Seemed likely it was as simple as a bad condenser.  
Easiest to just pop in the spare distributor. Started right up. Once.  
Second time it ran a bit, died, and would not re-start. Back into the  
spares box for a coil. That did the trick [was that my mystery mis  
all the time?] Henry's mounting it while I'm getting suited up. Off  
to grid. 100' short car dies. Henry buttoned everything up but I'm  
the one who unplugged the fuel pump while troubleshooting. Out of the  
belts, out of the car, hood up, plug in pump and reverse the last few  
steps, start car and arrive late to grid. Last in line. Meanwhile,  
Connie and Henry have staked their places in the grandstands at the  
chicane. Cars come on track and Henry is going into conniptions  
trying to figure out where I am /what happened. To me, starting from  
the back with a strong car often produces the must memorable runs.  
Being last gave good opportunity to really warm the tires and I took  
full advantage. Also gave the opportunity to get a good run on the  
start which I took full advantage of. Best run I had all weekend.  
Started at the end of a 26 car field. Ended up 16th with a D-P  
victory. After a hard battle with Tony the last 4 or 5 laps, it was  
the 911 we were both trying to get around that finally gave me the  
pass him. Great stuff Tony! Hope I can make it to Hallett. Babcock's  
donated trans. did exactly what it was supposed to - lasted ONE race  
and was also popping out of gear towards the end.
I think it's hard for any of us to say with a straight face that  
Triumph's are the best cars, but no doubt in my mind that Triumph  
People are the best people around.
Hey Henry, Did I say THANKS? Perhaps I Could have done it without you  
but more importantly I Wouldn't have done it with out you setting me  
straight. As Connie told you, the trip home was much more pleasant  
than another outcome might have presented.
The trip home was exactly what we wanted... Hot tubs separated by  
short periods of driving.
What a blast. All the best to you all.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM


From klynch_6 at msn.com  Sat Sep 12 13:04:17 2009
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:04:17 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Albq. meets Portland
Message-ID: <BLU126-DS2D0A7D4977D7E8C04AF3BB7E60@phx.gbl>

In from yard work & just now finished the 'Lunkerlore Trilogy'.
What a supporting cast & nice save Henry!

I love a 'going down swingin' ending...

'bueno' Greg, regards to Connie.

Kevin


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sat Sep 12 13:42:39 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:42:39 EDT
Subject: [Fot] 3.89 CWP's
Message-ID: <cfc.61409651.37dd53af@aol.com>

Amici, anybody have a good source for diffs or components for the small  
chassis cars?  I need 3.89 CWP's as well as 3.65 and 4.11.  There are  just 
none left in Vegas!
 
I'll be hittin' up the Brits pretty soon too!
 
Steve


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sat Sep 12 14:11:36 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:11:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
Message-ID: <9E40DDCA1C83483CAE111819184B986B@hal9000>

FoT/ FYI,

The copper figure 8's that would come with the standard gasket set are .006
thicker 

than the shim steel gaskets. I was just about to fit the cylinder head when
I thought

I'd give it a check. Sure enough, way too high.

I almost took it for granted as on the last build I had the block decked and
the liners

machined to exactly .004 proud. Wish I would have had that same thought
before I 

put the pistons in but disaster averted nevertheless.

It's likely many of you already knew this but it's new to me.

 

Jim G


From horizonracing at msn.com  Sat Sep 12 16:19:38 2009
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:19:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
In-Reply-To: <9E40DDCA1C83483CAE111819184B986B@hal9000>
References: <9E40DDCA1C83483CAE111819184B986B@hal9000>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W2917007D570A7442758C25B2E60@phx.gbl>

If you were to torque the head down.......then remove it......won't the copper
crush? were as the steel gaskets stay "about" the same.

> From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:11:36 -0600
> Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
>
> FoT/ FYI,
>
> The copper figure 8's that would come with the standard gasket set are .006
> thicker
>
> than the shim steel gaskets. I was just about to fit the cylinder head when
> I thought
>
> I'd give it a check. Sure enough, way too high.
>
> I almost took it for granted as on the last build I had the block decked
and
> the liners
>
> machined to exactly .004 proud. Wish I would have had that same thought
> before I
>
> put the pistons in but disaster averted nevertheless.
>
> It's likely many of you already knew this but it's new to me.
>
>
>
> Jim G
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sat Sep 12 17:05:26 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 19:05:26 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
Message-ID: <cb7.597ad777.37dd8336@aol.com>

Bearing in mind that I don't build TR4 motors...
 
I thought the extra height was an advantage sorely needed by the racing  
community?  
 
 
In a message dated 9/12/2009 3:20:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
horizonracing at msn.com writes:

If you  were to torque the head down.......then remove it......won't the  
copper
crush? were as the steel gaskets stay "about" the same.

>  From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date:  Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:11:36 -0600
> Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure  eight gaskets
>
> FoT/ FYI,
>
> The copper figure 8's  that would come with the standard gasket set are 
.006
>  thicker
>
> than the shim steel gaskets. I was just about to fit  the cylinder head 
when
> I thought
>
> I'd give it a check.  Sure enough, way too high.
>
> I almost took it for granted as on  the last build I had the block decked
and
> the  liners
>
> machined to exactly .004 proud. Wish I would have had  that same thought
> before I
>
> put the pistons in but  disaster averted nevertheless.
>
> It's likely many of you already  knew this but it's new to me.
>
>
>
> Jim  G
>
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From gasket.works at verizon.net  Sat Sep 12 18:08:53 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:08:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
References: <9E40DDCA1C83483CAE111819184B986B@hal9000>
	<BLU136-W2917007D570A7442758C25B2E60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000b01ca3406$617b0220$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

You would never have enough clamping force on the liners to crush dead soft 
copper fig of 8's appreciably.  No, the liner gaskets need to be at the 
appropriate thickness to raise the liners to the proper height.  Naturally, 
this measurement needs to be done under some load.

What I do is meticulously clean the the block liner perch and ensure the 
liner pedestal is clean. -then fit the liner bare.  Measure the liner 
position relative to the deck.  I use a simple but straight edge and use a 
feeler gauge to get the clearance. Then make a determination as to the fig 
of "8" gasket needed to get the liner to .005" in my racing motor.  .003" is 
not enough (me thinks).   I make individual rings for each liner as needed. 
I can't believe that figure of 8 gaskets still exist.  I may have .012" on 
one liner and .014" on its neighbor.   Alternatively, I sometimes face off 
the liner on a lathe to clean it up and use thicker rings as needed.

For the purpose of a sealant on the bottom of the liner to the block... use 
a very thin coat of aviation gasket sealant, gascachinch, indian head 
shellac... or some thin goop. You don't need much.  At one time I used no 
goop at all.  I don't use yammabond, hylomar, silicone Rtv for this purpose 
they will raise the liner a bit.




Mordy


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sat Sep 12 19:24:21 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 19:24:21 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
Message-ID: <644BA52368834A148AFE52041E8DFCC9@hal9000>

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Gray [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net] 
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:24 PM
To: 'MORDY DUNST'
Subject: RE: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets

Mordy,
I agree about not being able to compress the copper..006 is a lot to
compress. I made a set of aluminum bars I cinch down on top of the liners
to simulate the head being in place so I measure liner protrusion under
pressure. My liners and deck height were sized for.004 with the steel
gaskets. I assemble things just as you do. 
I have the right figure 8's now and my liners settled down exactly where
they should be. I just don't think it's a good thing to offer gaskets in
different thicknesses without at least a note to the buyer.
It would have certainly resulted in a head gasket failure...again!

jg


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MORDY DUNST
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 6:09 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets

You would never have enough clamping force on the liners to crush dead soft 
copper fig of 8's appreciably.  No, the liner gaskets need to be at the 
appropriate thickness to raise the liners to the proper height.  Naturally, 
this measurement needs to be done under some load.

What I do is meticulously clean the the block liner perch and ensure the 
liner pedestal is clean. -then fit the liner bare.  Measure the liner 
position relative to the deck.  I use a simple but straight edge and use a 
feeler gauge to get the clearance. Then make a determination as to the fig 
of "8" gasket needed to get the liner to .005" in my racing motor.  .003" is

not enough (me thinks).   I make individual rings for each liner as needed. 
I can't believe that figure of 8 gaskets still exist.  I may have .012" on 
one liner and .014" on its neighbor.   Alternatively, I sometimes face off 
the liner on a lathe to clean it up and use thicker rings as needed.

For the purpose of a sealant on the bottom of the liner to the block... use 
a very thin coat of aviation gasket sealant, gascachinch, indian head 
shellac... or some thin goop. You don't need much.  At one time I used no 
goop at all.  I don't use yammabond, hylomar, silicone Rtv for this purpose 
they will raise the liner a bit.




Mordy
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Sep 12 19:28:23 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:28:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
Message-ID: <20090913012840.6A1AF187657@autox.team.net>

Who is going to Hallett with CVAR in October?  Anyone want to split a 
"garage" (canopy?) rental?

Thanks, Tony Drews


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Sep 12 19:30:20 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:30:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Next race planning
Message-ID: <20090913013033.0DE40187657@autox.team.net>

Also, what hotel is favored for this event?

Thanks, Tony

>Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:28:23 -0500
>To: Amici Triumphi
>From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
>Subject: Next race planning
>
>Who is going to Hallett with CVAR in October?  Anyone want to split 
>a "garage" (canopy?) rental?
>
>Thanks, Tony Drews


From gasket.works at verizon.net  Sat Sep 12 20:06:21 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 19:06:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] clarification.... figure eight gaskets...
References: <9E40DDCA1C83483CAE111819184B986B@hal9000>
	<BLU136-W2917007D570A7442758C25B2E60@phx.gbl>
	<000b01ca3406$617b0220$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
Message-ID: <002301ca3416$ca355c60$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

Moss sells good parts and strives to make sure that buyers know what they 
are getting.

Just to be clear....  it is up to the installer and builder of the engine to 
know what they are getting into.   Most TR enthusiasts apart from our group 
may build an engine perhaps once in their carreers -mostly as a lark.

Just want to settle some issues.   It is upto the engine builder to have 
enough sense to measure the parts they are installing and to recognize 
problems before they occur.   Just purchasing parts off the shelf and 
assembling blindly is a surefire way of failure. Subtleties in assembly come 
with time and experience not, found in books.

Still learning....

Mordy


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Sep 12 22:05:14 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:05:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
References: <20090913012840.6A1AF187657@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <E52AFE828162487D869694F2D17E6206@latitudefb1e41>

I was planning on skipping Hallett this year but I'll reconsider if you are 
coming and split a canopy. Gary Fuqua usually comes to Hallett too.

I usually stay in Sand Springs at the Hampton, but if you are into economy 
inns the Boomtown Inn is OK.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:28 PM
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning


> Who is going to Hallett with CVAR in October?  Anyone want to split a 
> "garage" (canopy?) rental?
>
> Thanks, Tony Drews
>
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From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Sat Sep 12 23:50:20 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 01:50:20 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
Message-ID: <cdf.576e5102.37dde21c@aol.com>

OK, just to clarify a bit....Gary....That would be me....Has paid for both  
sides of the canopy for that last couple of years after Larry Young decided 
to  retire.  There have been a few occasions when some form of compensation 
was  not forth coming.  I also pay for space at TWS whether I use it or  
not.  Having blathered on about this if you are coming just let me know  when 
you plan to arrive and how many "Race" cars are coming so we can do some  
arranging.  There is ALWAYS room for one more  Triumph!!
 
Cheer, Gary


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Sun Sep 13 09:59:26 2009
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 10:59:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <cdf.576e5102.37dde21c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000301ca348b$388836f0$6401a8c0@blake1>

Depending on the reliability of the Blake cars at TWS next weekend, we
may be there too.  Dad is sorting out a "new" car, from the pictures I
have seen this weekend it looks like he is putting the new head gasket
on today.  I'll be breaking in a(nother) motor at TWS next weekend.

It would be worth the trip just to see how Kramer gets two TR4s to OK.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 12:50 AM
To: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net; tony at tonydrews.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning

OK, just to clarify a bit....Gary....That would be me....Has paid for
both  
sides of the canopy for that last couple of years after Larry Young
decided 
to  retire.  There have been a few occasions when some form of
compensation 
was  not forth coming.  I also pay for space at TWS whether I use it or

not.  Having blathered on about this if you are coming just let me know
when 
you plan to arrive and how many "Race" cars are coming so we can do some

arranging.  There is ALWAYS room for one more  Triumph!!
 
Cheer, Gary
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun Sep 13 12:27:41 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:27:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
In-Reply-To: <000b01ca3406$617b0220$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
References: <9E40DDCA1C83483CAE111819184B986B@hal9000>
	<BLU136-W2917007D570A7442758C25B2E60@phx.gbl>
	<000b01ca3406$617b0220$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
Message-ID: <4AAD399D.2040804@pobox.com>

I don't know how anyone ever gets by using the gaskets that come with a 
rebuild kit.  I've never found them to produce the correct height.  I've 
always done it similar to Mordy's approach.  Mordy will make the gaskets 
for anyone, but that involves the (snail) mailman in a trial and error 
operation.  I found a simple way to make my own gaskets.  I usually make 
a bunch at a time in a variety of thicknesses.  The method is posted at 
the bottom of Tony's "uncle jacks engine building tips", 
www.tonydrews.com.  In a pinch, I have also cut down my liners on a belt 
sander.  This works, but you have to be careful to keep them straight.  
As you remove material, frequently measure the liner height with 
calipers at different positions around the liner.

Larry

MORDY DUNST wrote:
> You would never have enough clamping force on the liners to crush dead 
> soft copper fig of 8's appreciably.  No, the liner gaskets need to be 
> at the appropriate thickness to raise the liners to the proper 
> height.  Naturally, this measurement needs to be done under some load.
>
> What I do is meticulously clean the the block liner perch and ensure 
> the liner pedestal is clean. -then fit the liner bare.  Measure the 
> liner position relative to the deck.  I use a simple but straight edge 
> and use a feeler gauge to get the clearance. Then make a determination 
> as to the fig of "8" gasket needed to get the liner to .005" in my 
> racing motor.  .003" is not enough (me thinks).   I make individual 
> rings for each liner as needed. I can't believe that figure of 8 
> gaskets still exist.  I may have .012" on one liner and .014" on its 
> neighbor.   Alternatively, I sometimes face off the liner on a lathe 
> to clean it up and use thicker rings as needed.
>
> For the purpose of a sealant on the bottom of the liner to the 
> block... use a very thin coat of aviation gasket sealant, gascachinch, 
> indian head shellac... or some thin goop. You don't need much.  At one 
> time I used no goop at all.  I don't use yammabond, hylomar, silicone 
> Rtv for this purpose they will raise the liner a bit.
>
>
>
>
> Mordy
>
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From kaskas at cox.net  Sun Sep 13 13:02:03 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 12:02:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
In-Reply-To: <4AAD399D.2040804@pobox.com>
References: <9E40DDCA1C83483CAE111819184B986B@hal9000><BLU136-W2917007D570A7442758C25B2E60@phx.gbl><000b01ca3406$617b0220$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
	<4AAD399D.2040804@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <B1E9E316B0D0468A96DB00424B027953@KasPC>

To shorten a sleeve and you do not have a lathe to do the job square, try 
lapping on a sheet of 180 grit wet and dry paper on a sheet of glass. Use 
water on the paper as a lapping  liquid. Old car window or piece from a 
plate glass house (have them smooth the edges). Turn the sleeve in your hand 
as you lap so no one side is favored. Works pretty well when you only need 
couple or so thou's.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
To: "MORDY DUNST" <gasket.works at verizon.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets


>I don't know how anyone ever gets by using the gaskets that come with a
> rebuild kit.  I've never found them to produce the correct height.  I've
> always done it similar to Mordy's approach.  Mordy will make the gaskets
> for anyone, but that involves the (snail) mailman in a trial and error
> operation.  I found a simple way to make my own gaskets.  I usually make
> a bunch at a time in a variety of thicknesses.  The method is posted at
> the bottom of Tony's "uncle jacks engine building tips",
> www.tonydrews.com.  In a pinch, I have also cut down my liners on a belt
> sander.  This works, but you have to be careful to keep them straight.
> As you remove material, frequently measure the liner height with
> calipers at different positions around the liner.
>
> Larry
>
> MORDY DUNST wrote:
>> You would never have enough clamping force on the liners to crush dead
>> soft copper fig of 8's appreciably.  No, the liner gaskets need to be
>> at the appropriate thickness to raise the liners to the proper
>> height.  Naturally, this measurement needs to be done under some load.
>>
>> What I do is meticulously clean the the block liner perch and ensure
>> the liner pedestal is clean. -then fit the liner bare.  Measure the
>> liner position relative to the deck.  I use a simple but straight edge
>> and use a feeler gauge to get the clearance. Then make a determination
>> as to the fig of "8" gasket needed to get the liner to .005" in my
>> racing motor.  .003" is not enough (me thinks).   I make individual
>> rings for each liner as needed. I can't believe that figure of 8
>> gaskets still exist.  I may have .012" on one liner and .014" on its
>> neighbor.   Alternatively, I sometimes face off the liner on a lathe
>> to clean it up and use thicker rings as needed.
>>
>> For the purpose of a sealant on the bottom of the liner to the
>> block... use a very thin coat of aviation gasket sealant, gascachinch,
>> indian head shellac... or some thin goop. You don't need much.  At one
>> time I used no goop at all.  I don't use yammabond, hylomar, silicone
>> Rtv for this purpose they will raise the liner a bit.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mordy
>>
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>>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Sep 13 13:37:09 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:37:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
In-Reply-To: <B1E9E316B0D0468A96DB00424B027953@KasPC>
References: <9E40DDCA1C83483CAE111819184B986B@hal9000><BLU136-W2917007D570A7442758C25B2E60@phx.gbl><000b01ca3406$617b0220$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
	<4AAD399D.2040804@pobox.com> <B1E9E316B0D0468A96DB00424B027953@KasPC>
Message-ID: <4AAD49E5.1050509@bradakis.com>

Kas Kastner wrote:
> To shorten a sleeve and you do not have a lathe to do the job square, 
> try lapping on a sheet of 180 grit wet and dry paper on a sheet of glass.
Hmmm, I thought I had saved a link to a Youtube video of some Swedish
fellows doing a, uh, precision lapping job on a SAAB head.  I know I have
it here somewhere...

mjb.


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sun Sep 13 13:45:38 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:45:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <000301ca348b$388836f0$6401a8c0@blake1>
References: <000301ca348b$388836f0$6401a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <E234266B-F1FE-46DD-B010-50B7FC868172@earthlink.net>

I'm still on the fence but leaning strongly towards making it. Should  
know in the next week or so.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Sep 13, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:

> Depending on the reliability of the Blake cars at TWS next weekend, we
> may be there too.  Dad is sorting out a "new" car, from the pictures I
> have seen this weekend it looks like he is putting the new head gasket
> on today.  I'll be breaking in a(nother) motor at TWS next weekend.
>
> It would be worth the trip just to see how Kramer gets two TR4s to OK.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- 
> bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 12:50 AM
> To: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net; tony at tonydrews.com
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
> OK, just to clarify a bit....Gary....That would be me....Has paid for
> both
> sides of the canopy for that last couple of years after Larry Young
> decided
> to  retire.  There have been a few occasions when some form of
> compensation
> was  not forth coming.  I also pay for space at TWS whether I use  
> it or
>
> not.  Having blathered on about this if you are coming just let me  
> know
> when
> you plan to arrive and how many "Race" cars are coming so we can do  
> some
>
> arranging.  There is ALWAYS room for one more  Triumph!!
>
> Cheer, Gary
> You are subscribed as ablake2 at austin.rr.com
>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Sep 13 14:43:24 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:43:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
In-Reply-To: <4AAD49E5.1050509@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <20090913204323266.IWWG14103@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com>

> Hmmm, I thought I had saved a link to a Youtube video of some Swedish
> fellows doing a, uh, precision lapping job on a SAAB head.  

Y'know, everybody laughs at that video; but I did much the same thing to a
VW Rabbit many years ago and it worked out great.

Car was given to me with the headgasket blown between #2 & #3; and some
erosion in the head surface from being driven that way.  I cleaned it up by
hand until my carpenter's square said it was flat; total investment in the
car was some spare time and $20 for a head gasket.  Some 10 years and maybe
60,000 miles later, my stepson finished school and sold the car, still
running pretty good considering how many miles were on it.  Only other
engine work was to change the timing belt in the parking lot where it broke.

Randall


From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Sun Sep 13 15:56:14 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:56:14 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
Message-ID: <c50.5745abb3.37dec47e@aol.com>

Sounds like fun to me!!  See everyone there. 


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sun Sep 13 18:25:41 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:25:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
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Fortunately for me the college student driver of car no. 2 er, no. 67, is 
unlikely to be able to make the trip. I have a plan for him to get his 
license with 4 events all at TWS. After that he should be employed and we'll 
come up with a new plan.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: <GSFuqua1 at aol.com>; <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>; <tony at tonydrews.com>; 
"'Robert Blake'" <rblake36 at yahoo.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 10:59 AM
Subject: RE: [Fot] Next race planning


> Depending on the reliability of the Blake cars at TWS next weekend, we
> may be there too.  Dad is sorting out a "new" car, from the pictures I
> have seen this weekend it looks like he is putting the new head gasket
> on today.  I'll be breaking in a(nother) motor at TWS next weekend.
>
> It would be worth the trip just to see how Kramer gets two TR4s to OK.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 12:50 AM
> To: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net; tony at tonydrews.com
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
> OK, just to clarify a bit....Gary....That would be me....Has paid for
> both
> sides of the canopy for that last couple of years after Larry Young
> decided
> to  retire.  There have been a few occasions when some form of
> compensation
> was  not forth coming.  I also pay for space at TWS whether I use it or
>
> not.  Having blathered on about this if you are coming just let me know
> when
> you plan to arrive and how many "Race" cars are coming so we can do some
>
> arranging.  There is ALWAYS room for one more  Triumph!!
>
> Cheer, Gary
>
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From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net  Sun Sep 13 22:53:47 2009
From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:53:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
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Dennis DeLap wrote:
> Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.
> 
> Any tips?
> Thanks
> Dennis DeLap
> 
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Amici,
    When you build a Lincoln locker (welded) it is a good idea to weld 
in sheet metal plates on both sides of the diff to contain welds and or 
spider gears if they crack. It will save the R&P and it cuts down on oil 
windage.
Greg


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Sep 14 00:23:14 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:23:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] One more view part 3
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Friends,
I've been watching all the emails about CRC and I now I have time and can 
reply.  As some of you know I made a couple of holes in my TR6 block when 
the #3 rod broke on Sunday.  Seems that the piston had kissed the head and 
the rod must have gotten fractured.  Anyway I rebuilt another race motor and 
got it installed this evening.

One of the things so great about this group is the positive attitude about 
these cars.  After reading how easy Henry and Greg made it sound to install 
a transmission, I went in with a positive attitude and had it installed in 
less than 5 minutes, by myself.  I usually can expect a half an hour battle.

Anyway I just wanted to say how good it was to meet all the FoTers and 
especially Kas.  I have to believe that the CRC Kas Cup ( or maybe just the 
Kasner Cup) has to be one of the largest casual gatherings of single marquee 
racecars in the USA.  Maybe I exagerate  little, but it sure was fun.

Well anyway I have my motor back in and just need to pump up the oil 
pressure, start it and get it ready for this weekends race.

Good to meet all you FoTers!

Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44 


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Sep 14 02:06:59 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:06:59 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
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We have welded the whole thing together and made the cage quite hot before
welding.
Make sure that the gears that hold the axle shaft are press fit and flush
with the cage or they will wear out the half shafts if they wobble.



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Auftrag von riverside
Gesendet: Freitag, 11. September 2009 17:41
An: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net; William G Rosenbach
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee

My experience is similar.   We first tried welding gears together,
but the welds cracked and made some debris.   Then we
just filled enough low spots to minimize rotation.  still
had a little debris from drain to drain.  Never harmed bearings
or seals.

art de armond

----- Original Message -----
From: "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
To: <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
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Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee


> Dennis,
> How about TIG weld filling some of the spider gear teeth, preventing them
> rotating and effectively locking the unit. If needed, you can refit
> standard spider gears to return original function. Uses a lot less energy
> to accomplish, as well. There are some applications available (not TR)
> that you can buy spider gears that have not had all their teeth machined.
> There is a little backlash slop going this way but I've never had the
> opportunity to verify what, if anything is getting beaten up by that
> slop, or if it is protective of other parts.
> Bill
>
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Dennis DeLap
> <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net> writes:
>> Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.
>>
>> Any tips?
>> Thanks
>> Dennis DeLap
>>
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon Sep 14 07:03:10 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:03:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning - Hallett
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Now that would be fun to see Kramer, Hilyer and Drews on the track 
together again.  I've got a new camera with high definition video 
capability.  If I can learn how to use the damn thing, I'll be in charge 
of photos and video.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer wrote:
> I'm still on the fence but leaning strongly towards making it. Should 
> know in the next week or so.
>
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
> On Sep 13, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:
>
>> Depending on the reliability of the Blake cars at TWS next weekend, we
>> may be there too.  Dad is sorting out a "new" car, from the pictures I
>> have seen this weekend it looks like he is putting the new head gasket
>> on today.  I'll be breaking in a(nother) motor at TWS next weekend.
>>
>> It would be worth the trip just to see how Kramer gets two TR4s to OK.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com
>> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 12:50 AM
>> To: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net; tony at tonydrews.com
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>>
>> OK, just to clarify a bit....Gary....That would be me....Has paid for
>> both
>> sides of the canopy for that last couple of years after Larry Young
>> decided
>> to  retire.  There have been a few occasions when some form of
>> compensation
>> was  not forth coming.  I also pay for space at TWS whether I use it or
>>
>> not.  Having blathered on about this if you are coming just let me know
>> when
>> you plan to arrive and how many "Race" cars are coming so we can do some
>>
>> arranging.  There is ALWAYS room for one more  Triumph!!
>>
>> Cheer, Gary
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Mon Sep 14 08:26:04 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:26:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen
Message-ID: <022201ca3547$4be80f10$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

Hi all, I did the Vintage GP at the Glen over the weekend.
Most of the Triumph folks must have been returning from out west as there was
a shortage of TRs.
Dick Stockton was there with his very nice black rocket. Tim Suddard also had
his car there but I don't know if he ran it; too much going on to see
everything.
I did the re-enactment Friday evening. The event itself had some shakey
weather, but wasn't bad. The trip back to the track was miserable; moonsoonal
rains, cold, dark and ugly. Couldn't see a thing. We had a blast!  Andre
wasn't there so I had another felow fill in!
Saturday was ok and Sunday was nice. Quite a crowd of spectators and some nice
street Triumphs and other intereresting cars. There was an auction with some
nice machinery but I didn't attend and don't know how many sold and at what
prices. My favorite was a '68 Charger RT, red, gorgeous. OK, it's not British,
but I used to work on them. Nice car.
My 6 ran well for a stock engine that's geting tired. I had fun. I've knocked
10 seconds off my lap times with the same car and engine and am not getting
lapped all the time! Progress and seat time. If I had 15 more HP, I would have
beaten that pesky Morgan and that darned Bathtub Porsche!
Morgan and MG were the featured cars this year and there were many Morgans
there, all shapes and sizes. Some seemed to be missing the 4th wheel; those
guys have more nerve than I do!
There's a VRG race at the Glen in early Oct that I plan on attending. It's a
fun, rather low key event. The VRG guys also put on the PVGP event and others.
Nice bunch.

Later, Bill


From andre at gt6.ca  Mon Sep 14 09:52:02 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:52:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen
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Hi Bill yes I was thinking about the run all weekend.

I wish I could have done the Glen this year, but I'm being a good
husband and sucking up to my wife for next year's vintage racing
launch.
(Got some wrenching time in on the car too.)

Some good memories from last year. I'll credit that run I had in the
re-enactment for spurring on my desire to race.

Maybe next year I'll return as a spectator or if the money tree blooms a
racer.

A.

2009/9/14 WILLIAM TOBIN <william.tobin3 at verizon.net>:
> Hi all, I did the Vintage GP at the Glen over the weekend.
> Most of the Triumph folks must have been returning from out west as there
was
> a shortage of TRs.
> Dick Stockton was there with his very nice black rocket. Tim Suddard also
had
> his car there but I don't know if he ran it; too much going on to see
> everything.
> I did the re-enactment Friday evening. The event itself had some shakey
> weather, but wasn't bad. The trip back to the track was miserable;
moonsoonal
> rains, cold, dark and ugly. Couldn't see a thing. We had a blast!  Andre
> wasn't there so I had another felow fill in!
> Saturday was ok and Sunday was nice. Quite a crowd of spectators and some
nice
> street Triumphs and other intereresting cars. There was an auction with
some
> nice machinery but I didn't attend and don't know how many sold and at what
> prices. My favorite was a '68 Charger RT, red, gorgeous. OK, it's not
British,
> but I used to work on them. Nice car.
> My 6 ran well for a stock engine that's geting tired. I had fun. I've
knocked
> 10 seconds off my lap times with the same car and engine and am not getting
> lapped all the time! Progress and seat time. If I had 15 more HP, I would
have
> beaten that pesky Morgan and that darned Bathtub Porsche!
> Morgan and MG were the featured cars this year and there were many Morgans
> there, all shapes and sizes. Some seemed to be missing the 4th wheel; those
> guys have more nerve than I do!
> There's a VRG race at the Glen in early Oct that I plan on attending. It's
a
> fun, rather low key event. The VRG guys also put on the PVGP event and
others.
> Nice bunch.
>
> Later, Bill
>
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Ottawa, ON, Canada


From adams910 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 11:18:25 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:18:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Watkins Glen Race Report part 1
Message-ID: <673993c50909141018i5517179j8ed703791206ea12@mail.gmail.com>

The weather gods werent kind to those who decided to come to the Glen this
year, with rain all day Friday and Saturday morning. Fortunately, there was
dry track for Saturday afternoons qualifying races and sunshine for
Sundays feature races.



This past weekend had a disappointing turnout of Triumphs, especially after
last year. The few Triumphs that did show up did very well. In Group 1, the
black Spitfire of Pat Ryan won Group 1 overall on Sunday and was running
some very fast laps.



FOTer Jeff Snook was there with his very pretty Lotus Eleven and was looking
good as always.



Dick Stocktons 63 TR4 and Bill Tobins 70 TR6 were the only big Triumphs
entered in what had to be one of the most competitive Group 3 fields that
Ive seen at the Glen.



Bill Tobin looked great in his TR6 and looked to be enjoying himself as
usual.


Dick Stockton had a dramatic weekend that started by qualifying 3rd overall
in the rain, just a few tenths off of Dick Tillingers Datsun roadster and
Bill Thumels trick Elva Courier. However, during the pace lap for the
Saturday qualifying race, some electrical gremlins cropped up and his car
lost power. He was able to get it refired, but not before falling to the
back and having to start in 35th place. In a yellow shortened race (4 green
laps), Dick was able to work his way up to 7th overall just behind the
incredibly quick Yenko Stinger of Logan Dernoshek.


From adams910 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 11:23:02 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:23:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Watkins Glen Race Report Part 2
Message-ID: <673993c50909141023h451286bg8576d8e8dadadcd5@mail.gmail.com>

For the Sunday feature race, Dick took his spot in the 7th position. With
one minute to go, and everyones engines running, a SVRA official conducted
an investigation that resulted in Dick being penalized for passing under
yellow, moving him back to 15th place. While no one was happy with the
decision, Dick took his spot and was determined to quickly move through the
pack. At the green flag, Dick took off and had made up 8 positions by the
end of the 2nd lap. He then ran down the lead pack of cars of Dick Tillinger
(2L Datsun Roadster), Butch Mckenzie (MGB (ex Dave Headley car)), Bob
Colaizzi (Super 7), Logan Dernoshek (Yenko Stinger), Jim Froula (Datsun
Bluebird), and Bill Thumel (x-flow Elva Courier).. all of whom were running
nose to tail. Stockton hooked onto Tillingers bumper and both got by the
Stinger and were in hot pursuit of Mckenzie, Colaizzi, and Froula. Thumel,
who was leading at the time pulled off the track on lap 3 with an apparent
mechanical issue, which left a 5 car train to battle it out for the win. On
lap four Stockton and Tillinger both had a great run out of T1 and drafted
up onto Mckenzie and Colaizzi.. Tillinger went left and Stockton went right,
splitting the MGB and Super 7, with both drivers making hero passes on
Mckenzie and Colaizzi at the entrance of the bus stop. The running order was
now Froula (1st), Tillinger (2nd), Stockton (3rd), Mckenzie (4th), and
Colaizzi (5th). For the next two laps Stockton, Mckenzie and Colaizzi
swapped positions on almost every corner (I dont think you could have
slipped a paper between them), while a car length or two in front, Tillinger
was trying to find a way past Froula who had burned off his tires. Froula
eventually started falling through the pack. Stockton lost momentum getting
by Froula found himself in 4th place at the finish, just a few car lengths
behind Mckenzie (3rd), Colaizzi (2nd) and Tillinger (1st). Stocktons fast
lap was a 2.20.8 (in traffic).

While we could have done without the rain and all the drama, it was a pretty
successful weekend. Hopefully we'll be seeing more Triumphs at the SVRA NJMP
event in two weeks.

Bob


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Sep 14 14:16:47 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:16:47 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <20090913012840.6A1AF187657@autox.team.net>
References: <20090913012840.6A1AF187657@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000901ca3578$4b031000$e1093000$@com>

Question:
If I read Tony's question I get the idea that FOT is not a racing group that
is organizing races together?
More like individuals that sometimes share the same race by accident?
How are US races are organized?
Do you have sign on to every single race or is there a championship where
all the Triumph racers take part?

We in Germany doing the "Triumph-Competition".
This group organize the slots at the races events, collection the fees for
the races, the organize dinners, sponsors, the parking in the paddock and so
on.
Is this comparable to USA?

Cheers
Chris



-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von Tony Drews
Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. September 2009 03:28
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Next race planning

Who is going to Hallett with CVAR in October?  Anyone want to split a
"garage" (canopy?) rental?

Thanks, Tony Drews
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Sep 14 15:29:37 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:29:37 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
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I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country. Would
be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in the
Mongolia and we might never meet.



-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net]
Gesendet: Montag, 14. September 2009 23:13
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning

What you do in Germany is much the same as the dozen or so clubs in the USA
do.  Dinners, races and friends.  The Triumph groups though do not put on
races.  There are probably 20 different groups in the country that sanction
(insurance) and promote an event.  The clubs of drivers never does this.
They may be part, but not the sanctioning body.The FOT is just single people

that talk about what they are doing,  not a elected group, no voting, no
dues, no officers, no elections except for the second to become a member.
Remember this country is 3000 miles wide and 2500 miles deep. The race this
time in Portland, Oregon was put on by their local group which runs races in

that area of Washington-Oregon. Look on the map and check out the square
miles in just those two states. My trip up there was 1,228 miles, one way.
----- Original Message -----
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning


> Question:
> If I read Tony's question I get the idea that FOT is not a racing group
> that
> is organizing races together?
> More like individuals that sometimes share the same race by accident?
> How are US races are organized?
> Do you have sign on to every single race or is there a championship where
> all the Triumph racers take part?
>
> We in Germany doing the "Triumph-Competition".
> This group organize the slots at the races events, collection the fees for
> the races, the organize dinners, sponsors, the parking in the paddock and
> so
> on.
> Is this comparable to USA?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Tony Drews
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. September 2009 03:28
> An: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: [Fot] Next race planning
>
> Who is going to Hallett with CVAR in October?  Anyone want to split a
> "garage" (canopy?) rental?
>
> Thanks, Tony Drews
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Sep 14 16:14:23 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:14:23 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort race
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Hi @ all,

here is the newest video taken from my car.
It was a wet race. I'm terribly sorry that sometimes the auto focus liked
the rain drops more than the track but I hope it is fun to watch.

http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5381443852892581074


I had a little trouble before that race #2 you see in that video. At race #1
the right caliper blocked the wheel and in the paddock the axle bearing
grease left the housing, was running over the hot brake disk and started
burning a little. With a paper handkerchief the fire was stopped and only
smoke is left behind.

At the last lap I overtook at a yellow flagged area and got a 20 second
penalty which sat me from position 10 to 15. I'm angry about my mistake
because with that overtaking I had nothing to win, the TR6 is in a higher
class. But if you are close to another car on a wet track a yellow flag is
hard to see.

Cheers
Chris


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Sep 14 16:21:40 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:21:40 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
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I would like to but the air transport of the race car is out of my current
budget.

But Id like to thank you for your nice welcome to USA.

Cheers
Chris

Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 00:07
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning

Just so Amigo, That's why we make so much effort to contact, converse and
meet our like minded friends.  That often involves 1000 mile plus tows but
when you sit around the pits on an evening sharing storiesd and adult
beverages it all seems worth it!

If you were to plan a Holiday in the US to coincide with any race meet you
can trust the Triumph folk would make you welcome!

In a message dated 9/14/2009 2:43:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country. Would
be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in the
Mongolia and we might never meet.


From billb at bnj.com  Fri Sep 11 21:09:45 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:09:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 4 speed tranny tail piece
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I have a lot of transmissiion junk I don't need Chuck. Too bad you  
didn't say something last weekend, you could have browsed through the  
stuff and taken what you needed. I'd pick some stuff out for you but  
I'm not sure what is which.
On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:06 PM, Chuck Arnold wrote:

> Does anybody have a tail peice left over from converting a 4 speed
> TR4-6 tranny to overdrive?  Could use one,and though I got one last
> year, I could use the 4 speed main shaft also.  IF so, let me know
> your price.  I am in Seattle for shipping cost purposes [zip 98109]
> Thanks
> -- 
> Chuck Arnold
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From billb at bnj.com  Fri Sep 11 21:12:50 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:12:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
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Use lots. I did this once and baqsically fused everything.
On Sep 10, 2009, at 8:38 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote:

> Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.
>
> Any tips?
> Thanks
> Dennis DeLap
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon Sep 14 17:46:47 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:46:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <000e01ca3582$7aa58950$6ff09bf0$@com>
References: <20090913012840.6A1AF187657@autox.team.net>
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Chris,
I used to visit Europe frequently and lived in Norway for 1 1/2 years.  
The distances involved are what makes everything different here.  We try 
to have these focus events to bring everyone together, but the distances 
are always a problem and limit attendance.  For vintage racing, all the 
organizations are regionally based.  There is VARA in California, VSCDA 
in the Midwest, CVAR for Texas/Oklahoma, RMVR in Colorado, and many 
others.  Luckily, most of them have similar rules, but some are more lax 
about modern parts than others.

If you've never been over here, you ought to come.  If you plan it 
around some races with FoT participation, I'm sure you will feel welcome.

MadMarx wrote:
> I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country. Would
> be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in the
> Mongolia and we might never meet.


From billb at bnj.com  Mon Sep 14 18:29:23 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:29:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <000901ca3578$4b031000$e1093000$@com>
References: <20090913012840.6A1AF187657@autox.team.net>
	<000901ca3578$4b031000$e1093000$@com>
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When I did my All Aluminum tour I did 15 races around the US and  
Canada. It took 20 000 miles of driving to do that.
On Sep 14, 2009, at 1:16 PM, MadMarx wrote:

> Question:
> If I read Tony's question I get the idea that FOT is not a racing  
> group that
> is organizing races together?
> More like individuals that sometimes share the same race by accident?
> How are US races are organized?
> Do you have sign on to every single race or is there a championship  
> where
> all the Triumph racers take part?
>
> We in Germany doing the "Triumph-Competition".
> This group organize the slots at the races events, collection the  
> fees for
> the races, the organize dinners, sponsors, the parking in the  
> paddock and so
> on.
> Is this comparable to USA?
>
> Cheers
> Chris


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Sep 14 18:55:05 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:55:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
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Christian,



Think of coming over in terms of 2012....with or without your car.? 



60th ANNIVERSARY OF TRIUMPH CARS IN COMPETITION.



Joe Alexander


-----Original Message-----
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To: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning



Chris,?
I used to visit Europe frequently and lived in Norway for 1 1/2 years. The distances involved are what makes everything different here. We try to have these focus events to bring everyone together, but the distances are always a problem and limit attendance. For vintage racing, all the organizations are regionally based. There is VARA in California, VSCDA in the Midwest, CVAR for Texas/Oklahoma, RMVR in Colorado, and many others. Luckily, most of them have similar rules, but some are more lax about modern parts than others.?
?
If you've never been over here, you ought to come. If you plan it around some races with FoT participation, I'm sure you will feel welcome.?
?
MadMarx wrote:?
> I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country. Would?
> be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in the?
> Mongolia and we might never meet.?
?
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Mon Sep 14 19:20:50 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:20:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Watkins Glen Race Report part 1
References: <673993c50909141018i5517179j8ed703791206ea12@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <023001ca35a2$c3465160$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Thanks Bob, I had a blast.
  I've knocked 10 seconds off last years times with no almost changes in the
car....seat time sure helps. Only the top 5 or 6 guys lapped me; it used to
be the whole field!
  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: "Bob Adams" <adams910 at gmail.com>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:18 PM
  Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Watkins Glen Race Report part 1


  > The weather gods werent kind to those who decided to come to the Glen
this
  > year, with rain all day Friday and Saturday morning. Fortunately, there
was
  > dry track for Saturday afternoons qualifying races and sunshine for
  > Sundays feature races.
  >
  >
  >
  > This past weekend had a disappointing turnout of Triumphs, especially
after
  > last year. The few Triumphs that did show up did very well. In Group 1,
the
  > black Spitfire of Pat Ryan won Group 1 overall on Sunday and was running
  > some very fast laps.
  >
  >
  >
  > FOTer Jeff Snook was there with his very pretty Lotus Eleven and was
looking
  > good as always.
  >
  >
  >
  > Dick Stocktons 63 TR4 and Bill Tobins 70 TR6 were the only big
Triumphs
  > entered in what had to be one of the most competitive Group 3 fields
that
  > Ive seen at the Glen.
  >
  >
  >
  > Bill Tobin looked great in his TR6 and looked to be enjoying himself as
  > usual.
  >
  >
  > Dick Stockton had a dramatic weekend that started by qualifying 3rd
overall
  > in the rain, just a few tenths off of Dick Tillingers Datsun roadster
and
  > Bill Thumels trick Elva Courier. However, during the pace lap for the
  > Saturday qualifying race, some electrical gremlins cropped up and his
car
  > lost power. He was able to get it refired, but not before falling to the
  > back and having to start in 35th place. In a yellow shortened race (4
green
  > laps), Dick was able to work his way up to 7th overall just behind the
  > incredibly quick Yenko Stinger of Logan Dernoshek.
  >
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 19:30:40 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:30:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Watkins Glen Race Report Part 2
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Bill,
I believe Dick's Datsun is an old Bob Sharp car. Neat car and brutally
fast.

That Stinger is neat. It looks like a real handful of a car in the corners,
but the driver was doing an awesome job with it (I believe he is an ASA/Pro
Hooters Cup competitor). It was right with the lead pack and then dropped
way back at the end (spun?).

The MGB is a car you've all seen before (remember that ridiculously fast
yellow one from the Mitty in '05? Burt Levy also drove it in the same issue
as George Wright's car). That thing is on rails.

Bummer to hear about the Elva.. it's a very pretty car and very fast. Glad
to hear the driver wasn't harmed Here is an article on it.
http://britishracecar.com/BillThumel-Elva-Courier.htm
- everyone needs to install a driveshaft loop in their car regardless of
your level of prep.

And the Bluebird came out of nowhere. Very interesting car and surprisingly
quick. I believe it's from the Pacific Northwest. Bill Babcock, do you know
this car?


Bob


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Mon Sep 14 19:40:13 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:40:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
References: <20090913012840.6A1AF187657@autox.team.net><000901ca3578$4b031000$e1093000$@com><49BE0BD305FE4534A8794D2A1D7FB0B5@KasPC><000e01ca3582$7aa58950$6ff09bf0$@com><4AAED5E7.8060505@pobox.com>
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.....and there is often the occasion to put a guest driver in a car for an 
enduro, or a practice, or you may find someone and some organization that 
allows one car-two driver registration. We can pull that off in CVAR by 
talking the Group 2 guys into allowing a well behaved DP Triumph to rqace in 
Group 2 with the EP MGB's. I don't know what the rules we will be running 
under for the 2010 FOT feature at Heartland Par, but I think there is a good 
chance 2 driver cars would be allowed.
if you'd like to come on over let us know and we'll figure it out.

Bo Kramer
Austin, TX

----- Original Message ----- 
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Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning


> Christian,
>
>
>
> Think of coming over in terms of 2012....with or without your car.?
>
>
>
> 60th ANNIVERSARY OF TRIUMPH CARS IN COMPETITION.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
> To: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:46 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
>
>
> Chris,?
> I used to visit Europe frequently and lived in Norway for 1 1/2 years. The 
> distances involved are what makes everything different here. We try to 
> have these focus events to bring everyone together, but the distances are 
> always a problem and limit attendance. For vintage racing, all the 
> organizations are regionally based. There is VARA in California, VSCDA in 
> the Midwest, CVAR for Texas/Oklahoma, RMVR in Colorado, and many others. 
> Luckily, most of them have similar rules, but some are more lax about 
> modern parts than others.?
> ?
> If you've never been over here, you ought to come. If you plan it around 
> some races with FoT participation, I'm sure you will feel welcome.?
> ?
> MadMarx wrote:?
>> I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country. 
>> Would?
>> be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in 
>> the?
>> Mongolia and we might never meet.?
> ?
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Sep 14 19:52:25 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:52:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
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Heartland Park in 2010?would be a good choice, too. 



Note: Keith Files plans to enter his 'SEBRING TR4'.



We could host you in IOWA and you could travel with us to Heartland Park.



My two sons will be traveling and staying at the track.



August 2010



Joe Alexander?


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Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 8:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning



.....and there is often the occasion to put a guest driver in a car for an enduro, or a practice, or you may find someone and some organization that allows one car-two driver registration. We can pull that off in CVAR by talking the Group 2 guys into allowing a well behaved DP Triumph to rqace in Group 2 with the EP MGB's. I don't know what the rules we will be running under for the 2010 FOT feature at Heartland Par, but I think there is a good chance 2 driver cars would be allowed.?
if you'd like to come on over let us know and we'll figure it out.?
?
Bo Kramer?
Austin, TX?
?
----- Original Message ----- From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>?
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Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>?
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:55 PM?
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning?
?
> Christian,?
>?
>?
>?
> Think of coming over in terms of 2012....with or without your car.??
>?
>?
>?
> 60th ANNIVERSARY OF TRIUMPH CARS IN COMPETITION.?
>?
>?
>?
> Joe Alexander?
>?
>?
> -----Original Message-----?
> From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>?
> To: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>?
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net?
> Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:46 pm?
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning?
>?
>?
>?
> Chris,??
> I used to visit Europe frequently and lived in Norway for 1 1/2 years. The > distances involved are what makes everything different here. We try to > have these focus events to bring everyone together, but the distances are > always a problem and limit attendance. For vintage racing, all the > organizations are regionally based. There is VARA in California, VSCDA in > the Midwest, CVAR for Texas/Oklahoma, RMVR in Colorado, and many others. > Luckily, most of them have similar rules, but some are more lax about > modern parts than others.??
> ??
> If you've never been over here, you ought to come. If you plan it around > some races with FoT participation, I'm sure you will feel welcome.??
> ??
> MadMarx wrote:??
>> I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country. >> Would??
>> be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in >> the??
>> Mongolia and we might never meet.??
> ??
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon Sep 14 20:01:04 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:01:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Watkins Glen Race Report Part 2
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Yes, that's Jim Froula. Very good driver and a fine mechanic/ 
fabricator. I think he also carried Cameron Healy's Pooper out to the  
Glen. The guy who built the body (Tippe Lippe I think) was looking  
forward to seeing the car again--he lives somewhere near Watkins Glen.  
I guess he's in pretty ill health so it was a typical Cameron thing  
for him to haul it back there--he's one of the good ones.


On Sep 14, 2009, at 6:30 PM, Bob Adams wrote:

> Bill,
> I believe Dick's Datsun is an old Bob Sharp car. Neat car and brutally
> fast.
>
> That Stinger is neat. It looks like a real handful of a car in the  
> corners,
> but the driver was doing an awesome job with it (I believe he is an  
> ASA/Pro
> Hooters Cup competitor). It was right with the lead pack and then  
> dropped
> way back at the end (spun?).
>
> The MGB is a car you've all seen before (remember that ridiculously  
> fast
> yellow one from the Mitty in '05? Burt Levy also drove it in the  
> same issue
> as George Wright's car). That thing is on rails.
>
> Bummer to hear about the Elva.. it's a very pretty car and very  
> fast. Glad
> to hear the driver wasn't harmed Here is an article on it.
> http://britishracecar.com/BillThumel-Elva-Courier.htm
> - everyone needs to install a driveshaft loop in their car  
> regardless of
> your level of prep.
>
> And the Bluebird came out of nowhere. Very interesting car and  
> surprisingly
> quick. I believe it's from the Pacific Northwest. Bill Babcock, do  
> you know
> this car?
>
>
> Bob
>
> _______________________________________________
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From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Mon Sep 14 20:09:30 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:09:30 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
Message-ID: <c83.46b29dd2.37e0515a@aol.com>

I can answer the question about the Kastner Cup at Heartland Park, Topeka,  
Kansas in 2010.  It will effectively be very similar to CVAR.   There will 
likely be a few minor changes to accommodate some special cars and or  some 
minor differences between the various Regional Vintage Organizations.
 
Cheers,
 
Gary Fuqua
Heartland Vintage Racing
2010 Host for The Kastner Cup


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Sep 14 20:09:36 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:09:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Watkins Glen Race Report Part 2'''ELVA COURIER
In-Reply-To: <673993c50909141830m1d553c22v8180462159453a3b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <673993c50909141023h451286bg8576d8e8dadadcd5@mail.gmail.com><022901ca35a1$a6fa9fd0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
	<673993c50909141830m1d553c22v8180462159453a3b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CC03C0B55A3605-3EBC-91E2@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>

Several years ago I saw an ELVA COURIER perched precariously on two 55 gallon drums, side by side at the cockpit.



A year or so later, it had broken at the sills, with nose and tail pointing downward.



How Sad!

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com>
To: WILLIAM TOBIN <william.tobin3 at verizon.net>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 8:30 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] [FOT] Watkins Glen Race Report Part 2




Bill,
I believe Dick's Datsun is an old Bob Sharp car. Neat car and brutally
fast.

That Stinger is neat. It looks like a real handful of a car in the corners,
but the driver was doing an awesome job with it (I believe he is an ASA/Pro
Hooters Cup competitor). It was right with the lead pack and then dropped
way back at the end (spun?).

The MGB is a car you've all seen before (remember that ridiculously fast
yellow one from the Mitty in '05? Burt Levy also drove it in the same issue
as George Wright's car). That thing is on rails.

Bummer to hear about the Elva.. it's a very pretty car and very fast. Glad
to hear the driver wasn't harmed Here is an article on it.
http://britishracecar.com/BillThumel-Elva-Courier.htm
- everyone needs to install a driveshaft loop in their car regardless of
your level of prep.

And the Bluebird came out of nowhere. Very interesting car and surprisingly
quick. I believe it's from the Pacific Northwest. Bill Babcock, do you know
this car?


Bob
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Mon Sep 14 21:00:29 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:00:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <000901ca3578$4b031000$e1093000$@com>
Message-ID: <57FA767F3337491A83A9C8798ED6C4B1@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Chris

I think it is safe to say that the FOT is more of a "fortunate accident"
than an organization.  The only thing organized by the FOT is the Kastner
Cup race that moves around the country annually.

Road racing here in the US is split between Vintage or Historic Racing and
"championship" racing.  Vintage or Historic racing is run by numerous
groups, mostly regionally based.  There are no national rules and no
national championship.  Races are most often just for fun, without trophys
or any other awards.

"Championship" racing is for both current cars and older cars such as
Triumphs.  Nationally, these races are organized by the Sports Car Club of
America (SCCA).  There are also several other groups such as NASA and ICSCC
and others that conduct regional championships.  The SCCA runs local
championships and also National Points races that qualify one for the
National Championship Runoffs.  This is a single, week long race event held
in the fall of each year with 25 races for different classes of cars.

Racing in the US is different because of the distances and different
organizations involved.  I live in Oregon and my local track is about 25
miles from home.  We typically race there 8 weekends a year.  The next
closest track is around 200 miles away and after that it's more like 600.
The different organizations have different rules.  My car is acceptable to
some and not to others.  Sometimes the US can be a really confusing place,
but it's filled with good people and some darn fast Triumphs.

Jim Norlin



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:17 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning


Question:
If I read Tony's question I get the idea that FOT is not a racing group that
is organizing races together? More like individuals that sometimes share the
same race by accident? How are US races are organized? Do you have sign on
to every single race or is there a championship where all the Triumph racers
take part?

We in Germany doing the "Triumph-Competition".
This group organize the slots at the races events, collection the fees for
the races, the organize dinners, sponsors, the parking in the paddock and so
on. Is this comparable to USA?

Cheers
Chris



-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Tony Drews
Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. September 2009 03:28
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Next race planning

Who is going to Hallett with CVAR in October?  Anyone want to split a
"garage" (canopy?) rental?

Thanks, Tony Drews
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Thu Sep 17 20:55:23 2009
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:55:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] how not to pass
Message-ID: <156F6DC52CBD47B4B224EA9EB4BB0B57@INSPIRON>

Hello   if anyone is interested take a look at pix #34-36     Marrs labor day
09   pheno.smugmug.com   they show the SRF  roll bar worn  to almost
nothing,and razor sharp


From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Sep 14 21:51:19 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:51:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] how not to pass
In-Reply-To: <156F6DC52CBD47B4B224EA9EB4BB0B57@INSPIRON>
References: <156F6DC52CBD47B4B224EA9EB4BB0B57@INSPIRON>
Message-ID: <20090915035141.DC97918763F@autox.team.net>

Wow, that car is USED UP.  Roll bar did its job, though.

- Tony

At 09:55 PM 9/17/2009, Rob wrote:
>Hello   if anyone is interested take a look at pix #34-36     Marrs labor day
>09   pheno.smugmug.com   they show the SRF  roll bar worn  to almost
>nothing,and razor sharp


From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Sep 14 21:58:54 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:58:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] how not to pass
In-Reply-To: <156F6DC52CBD47B4B224EA9EB4BB0B57@INSPIRON>
References: <156F6DC52CBD47B4B224EA9EB4BB0B57@INSPIRON>
Message-ID: <5474D6A7B1BE4E0398AFF86A29A674E4@joepentiumnew>

Is that "Elizabeth Keller" indicated on the torn up body?  If so, is she
related to Helen Keller?

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:55 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] how not to pass

Hello   if anyone is interested take a look at pix #34-36     Marrs labor
day
09   pheno.smugmug.com   they show the SRF  roll bar worn  to almost
nothing,and razor sharp
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Sep 14 22:10:43 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:10:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <c83.46b29dd2.37e0515a@aol.com>
References: <c83.46b29dd2.37e0515a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4AAF13C3.50703@bradakis.com>

I better start planning now, maybe I can make it next year.  I'll try not
to come down with any disease or anything that might affect my plans.
We'll see if I have a Triumph of any sort that can make it that far by
next summer.

mjb.


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Sep 15 03:02:59 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:02:59 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <c1a.667e3d7c.37e03032@aol.com>
References: <c1a.667e3d7c.37e03032@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003701ca35e3$54653e50$fd2fbaf0$@com>

Would be a great idea to rent a race for an event!
Should be an event where Kas is present and maybe a nice track layout too.

Is a FIA int. C-license accepted in USA?

Cheers
Chris

Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 01:48
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning

No, not the race car silly.  Just you.  We can figure a way to get you into
a race car at one of our events ;-))

In a message dated 9/14/2009 3:44:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
I would like to but the air transport of the race car is out of my current
budget.

But Id like to thank you for your nice welcome to USA.

Cheers
Chris

Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 00:07
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning

Just so Amigo, That's why we make so much effort to contact, converse and
meet our like minded friends.  That often involves 1000 mile plus tows but
when you sit around the pits on an evening sharing storiesd and adult
beverages it all seems worth it!

If you were to plan a Holiday in the US to coincide with any race meet you
can trust the Triumph folk would make you welcome!

In a message dated 9/14/2009 2:43:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country. Would
be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in the
Mongolia and we might never meet.
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Sep 15 03:16:33 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:16:33 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <C2B968A85241411B91F547FD53F401BB@latitudefb1e41>
References: <20090913012840.6A1AF187657@autox.team.net><000901ca3578$4b031000$e1093000$@com><49BE0BD305FE4534A8794D2A1D7FB0B5@KasPC><000e01ca3582$7aa58950$6ff09bf0$@com><4AAED5E7.8060505@pobox.com>
	<8CC03B64C7B4BDF-3EBC-82AE@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
	<C2B968A85241411B91F547FD53F401BB@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <003c01ca35e5$399c2dc0$acd48940$@com>

What is DP and EP?

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Bob Kramer [mailto:rkramer3 at austin.rr.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 03:40
An: cartravel at pobox.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning

.....and there is often the occasion to put a guest driver in a car for an
enduro, or a practice, or you may find someone and some organization that
allows one car-two driver registration. We can pull that off in CVAR by
talking the Group 2 guys into allowing a well behaved DP Triumph to rqace in

Group 2 with the EP MGB's. I don't know what the rules we will be running
under for the 2010 FOT feature at Heartland Par, but I think there is a good

chance 2 driver cars would be allowed.
if you'd like to come on over let us know and we'll figure it out.

Bo Kramer
Austin, TX

----- Original Message -----
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <cartravel at pobox.com>; <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning


> Christian,
>
>
>
> Think of coming over in terms of 2012....with or without your car.?
>
>
>
> 60th ANNIVERSARY OF TRIUMPH CARS IN COMPETITION.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
> To: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:46 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
>
>
> Chris,?
> I used to visit Europe frequently and lived in Norway for 1 1/2 years. The

> distances involved are what makes everything different here. We try to
> have these focus events to bring everyone together, but the distances are
> always a problem and limit attendance. For vintage racing, all the
> organizations are regionally based. There is VARA in California, VSCDA in
> the Midwest, CVAR for Texas/Oklahoma, RMVR in Colorado, and many others.
> Luckily, most of them have similar rules, but some are more lax about
> modern parts than others.?
> ?
> If you've never been over here, you ought to come. If you plan it around
> some races with FoT participation, I'm sure you will feel welcome.?
> ?
> MadMarx wrote:?
>> I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country.
>> Would?
>> be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in
>> the?
>> Mongolia and we might never meet.?
> ?
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Tue Sep 15 04:34:33 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 03:34:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] how not to pass
In-Reply-To: <5474D6A7B1BE4E0398AFF86A29A674E4@joepentiumnew>
References: <156F6DC52CBD47B4B224EA9EB4BB0B57@INSPIRON>
	<5474D6A7B1BE4E0398AFF86A29A674E4@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <652111.74933.qm@web80805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It looks like it is Elizabeth Miller, not keller. Check photo 33.
________________________________
From: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>
To: Rob
<19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009
11:58:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] how not to pass

Is that "Elizabeth Keller"
indicated on the torn up body?  If so, is she
related to Helen Keller?

Joe C.
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Thursday, September
17, 2009 7:55 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] how not to pass

Hello 
if anyone is interested take a look at pix #34-36    Marrs labor
day
09 
pheno.smugmug.com  they show the SRF  roll bar worn  to almost
nothing,and
razor sharp
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From andre at gt6.ca  Tue Sep 15 05:31:34 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:31:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] how not to pass
In-Reply-To: <156F6DC52CBD47B4B224EA9EB4BB0B57@INSPIRON>
References: <156F6DC52CBD47B4B224EA9EB4BB0B57@INSPIRON>
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Wow.

Better the bar then your helmet.

A.

2009/9/17 Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>:
> Hello   if anyone is interested take a look at pix #34-36     Marrs labor
day
> 09   pheno.smugmug.com   they show the SRF  roll bar worn  to almost
> nothing,and razor sharp
>
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Ottawa, ON, Canada


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Sep 15 07:44:28 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:44:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <003c01ca35e5$399c2dc0$acd48940$@com>
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	<000901ca3578$4b031000$e1093000$@com>
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Those are the classes that our cars ran in during the 60's and 
70's.  It stands for D Production and E Production.  SCCA breaks the 
"Production" cars down into classes based on speed potential.  The 
fastest cars are in A Production and the slowest in H 
Production.  The TR-4 was in D Production and the TR-3 was in E 
Production originally.

- Tony

At 04:16 AM 9/15/2009, MadMarx wrote:
>What is DP and EP?
>
>Chris
>
>-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: Bob Kramer [mailto:rkramer3 at austin.rr.com]
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 03:40
>An: cartravel at pobox.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; n197tr4 at cs.com
>Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
>.....and there is often the occasion to put a guest driver in a car for an
>enduro, or a practice, or you may find someone and some organization that
>allows one car-two driver registration. We can pull that off in CVAR by
>talking the Group 2 guys into allowing a well behaved DP Triumph to rqace in
>
>Group 2 with the EP MGB's. I don't know what the rules we will be running
>under for the 2010 FOT feature at Heartland Par, but I think there is a good
>
>chance 2 driver cars would be allowed.
>if you'd like to come on over let us know and we'll figure it out.
>
>Bo Kramer
>Austin, TX
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
>To: <cartravel at pobox.com>; <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
>Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:55 PM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
>
> > Christian,
> >
> >
> >
> > Think of coming over in terms of 2012....with or without your car.?
> >
> >
> >
> > 60th ANNIVERSARY OF TRIUMPH CARS IN COMPETITION.
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe Alexander
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
> > To: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> > Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> > Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:46 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris,?
> > I used to visit Europe frequently and lived in Norway for 1 1/2 years. The
>
> > distances involved are what makes everything different here. We try to
> > have these focus events to bring everyone together, but the distances are
> > always a problem and limit attendance. For vintage racing, all the
> > organizations are regionally based. There is VARA in California, VSCDA in
> > the Midwest, CVAR for Texas/Oklahoma, RMVR in Colorado, and many others.
> > Luckily, most of them have similar rules, but some are more lax about
> > modern parts than others.?
> > ?
> > If you've never been over here, you ought to come. If you plan it around
> > some races with FoT participation, I'm sure you will feel welcome.?
> > ?
> > MadMarx wrote:?
> >> I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country.
> >> Would?
> >> be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in
> >> the?
> >> Mongolia and we might never meet.?
> > ?
> > _______________________________________________?
> > ?
> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html?
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Sep 15 07:45:09 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:45:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <003701ca35e3$54653e50$fd2fbaf0$@com>
References: <c1a.667e3d7c.37e03032@aol.com>
	<003701ca35e3$54653e50$fd2fbaf0$@com>
Message-ID: <20090915134533.5C42418763F@autox.team.net>

I'm sure that license would be accepted.

- Tony

At 04:02 AM 9/15/2009, MadMarx wrote:
>Would be a great idea to rent a race for an event!
>Should be an event where Kas is present and maybe a nice track layout too.
>
>Is a FIA int. C-license accepted in USA?
>
>Cheers
>Chris
>
>Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 01:48
>An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
>Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
>No, not the race car silly.  Just you.  We can figure a way to get you into
>a race car at one of our events ;-))
>
>In a message dated 9/14/2009 3:44:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
>I would like to but the air transport of the race car is out of my current
>budget.
>
>But Id like to thank you for your nice welcome to USA.
>
>Cheers
>Chris
>
>Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 00:07
>An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
>Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
>Just so Amigo, That's why we make so much effort to contact, converse and
>meet our like minded friends.  That often involves 1000 mile plus tows but
>when you sit around the pits on an evening sharing storiesd and adult
>beverages it all seems worth it!
>
>If you were to plan a Holiday in the US to coincide with any race meet you
>can trust the Triumph folk would make you welcome!
>
>In a message dated 9/14/2009 2:43:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
>I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country. Would
>be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in the
>Mongolia and we might never meet.
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Tue Sep 15 08:18:46 2009
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:18:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <20090915134533.5C42418763F@autox.team.net>
References: <c1a.667e3d7c.37e03032@aol.com>
	<003701ca35e3$54653e50$fd2fbaf0$@com> 
	<20090915134533.5C42418763F@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W11CCD64E80FD8D24070C7DB2E30@phx.gbl>

I race on a FIA grade c from MSNZ (motorsport new Zealand) and its no problem
at all. What does help is a SCCA membership card.

> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:45:09 -0500
> To: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net
> From: tony at tonydrews.com
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
> I'm sure that license would be accepted.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 04:02 AM 9/15/2009, MadMarx wrote:
> >Would be a great idea to rent a race for an event!
> >Should be an event where Kas is present and maybe a nice track layout too.
> >
> >Is a FIA int. C-license accepted in USA?
> >
> >Cheers
> >Chris
> >
> >Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
> >Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 01:48
> >An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> >Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
> >
> >No, not the race car silly. Just you. We can figure a way to get you into
> >a race car at one of our events ;-))
> >
> >In a message dated 9/14/2009 3:44:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> >tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
> >I would like to but the air transport of the race car is out of my current
> >budget.
> >
> >But Id like to thank you for your nice welcome to USA.
> >
> >Cheers
> >Chris
> >
> >Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
> >Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 00:07
> >An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> >Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
> >
> >Just so Amigo, That's why we make so much effort to contact, converse and
> >meet our like minded friends. That often involves 1000 mile plus tows but
> >when you sit around the pits on an evening sharing storiesd and adult
> >beverages it all seems worth it!
> >
> >If you were to plan a Holiday in the US to coincide with any race meet you
> >can trust the Triumph folk would make you welcome!
> >
> >In a message dated 9/14/2009 2:43:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> >tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
> >I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country.
Would
> >be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in
the
> >Mongolia and we might never meet.
> >You are subscribed as gt6steve at aol.com
> >
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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Tue Sep 15 10:20:16 2009
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:20:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <8CC03B64C7B4BDF-3EBC-82AE@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <412756.70530.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'd second this ... I for one would like to meet  you ... and somewhere, there
may even be a car someone would share with you  ... its been done before ..


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire

--- On Mon, 9/14/09, n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:


From: n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
To: cartravel at pobox.com, tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 7:55 PM


Christian,



Think of coming over in terms of 2012....with or without your car.?



60th ANNIVERSARY OF TRIUMPH CARS IN COMPETITION.



Joe Alexander


-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
To: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning



Chris,?
I used to visit Europe frequently and lived in Norway for 1 1/2 years. The
distances involved are what makes everything different here. We try to have
these focus events to bring everyone together, but the distances are always a
problem and limit attendance. For vintage racing, all the organizations are
regionally based. There is VARA in California, VSCDA in the Midwest, CVAR for
Texas/Oklahoma, RMVR in Colorado, and many others. Luckily, most of them have
similar rules, but some are more lax about modern parts than others.?
?
If you've never been over here, you ought to come. If you plan it around some
races with FoT participation, I'm sure you will feel welcome.?
?
MadMarx wrote:?
> I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country.
Would?
> be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in
the?
> Mongolia and we might never meet.?
?
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From trbilbo at aol.com  Tue Sep 15 15:54:40 2009
From: trbilbo at aol.com (trbilbo at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:54:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 3.89 CWP's..Diffs.alloys...GT6/Spifire clean out...(65
 Musang stuff)?
In-Reply-To: <cfc.61409651.37dd53af@aol.com>
References: <cfc.61409651.37dd53af@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC0466419125DF-419C-1E09C@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>

Steve (And other Amici)...

?

Just?sold my 67 and 69 GT6+ and may have a diff or two still available.

Gears unknown but in good shape. 

Pretty sure I also have a GT6 OD trans out there too.

Also have a comlete 'mild race' GT6 engine available.

?

Lots of stock stuff too... interior bits... probably bumpers...carbs...harnesses... kits... bunches.

Parts gotta go as the garage is much smaller now.

?

Cool stuff!!... like four Libre American racing mags on new Pirelli's (never been mounted on the car)

Other Spitfire/GT6 alloys in sets as well....

?

(Also 5 American racing Torque Thrust D mags NEW in the box with caps and lugs for 65-66 mustang/falcon/fairlane etc.)

?

Triumph interest? Other?

?

Finally starting to dig into things after the great move to North County two years ago.

Have a 10x20 foot storage unit full of great TR stuff.

?

Cheers

Bill 

#195 TR4A always!

?

70 TR6, 68 TR250 and parts for Spits, GT6, TR's all....


-----Original Message-----
From: Gt6steve at aol.com
To: FOT at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Sep 12, 2009 12:42 pm
Subject: [Fot] 3.89 CWP's




Amici, anybody have a good source for diffs or components for the small  
chassis cars?  I need 3.89 CWP's as well as 3.65 and 4.11.  There are  just 
none left in Vegas!
 
I'll be hittin' up the Brits pretty soon too!
 
Steve
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Sep 15 16:03:45 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:03:45 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <412756.70530.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <8CC03B64C7B4BDF-3EBC-82AE@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
	<412756.70530.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001301ca3650$680b1200$38213600$@com>

Oh  Im happy that you would like to meet me.
I have no idea when I can come over but Im really keen on racing with you
guys.
I hope that I dont misbehave then as I did at Zandvoort, when I didnt see
the yellow flag.

Cheers
Chris

Von: tom strange [mailto:tstrange at sbcglobal.net]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 18:20
An: cartravel at pobox.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning


I'd second this ... I for one would like to meet  you ... and somewhere,
there may even be a car someone would share with you  ... its been done
before ..
Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire


--- On Mon, 9/14/09, n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

From: n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
To: cartravel at pobox.com, tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 7:55 PM
Christian,



Think of coming over in terms of 2012....with or without your car.?



60th ANNIVERSARY OF TRIUMPH CARS IN COMPETITION.



Joe Alexander


-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com
<http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cartravel at pobox.com> >
To: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com
<http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tr4racing at googlemail.com> >
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
<http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning



Chris,?
I used to visit Europe frequently and lived in Norway for 1 1/2 years. The
distances involved are what makes everything different here. We try to have
these focus events to bring everyone together, but the distances are always
a problem and limit attendance. For vintage racing, all the organizations
are regionally based. There is VARA in California, VSCDA in the Midwest,
CVAR for Texas/Oklahoma, RMVR in Colorado, and many others. Luckily, most of
them have similar rules, but some are more lax about modern parts than
others.?
?
If you've never been over here, you ought to come. If you plan it around
some races with FoT participation, I'm sure you will feel welcome.?
?
MadMarx wrote:?
> I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country.
Would?
> be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in
the?
> Mongolia and we might never meet.?
?
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Wed Sep 16 07:55:11 2009
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:55:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 6 cylinder DCOE 40 setup
Message-ID: <000501ca36d5$4f6232d0$ee269870$@rr.com>

I have a complete triple Weber setup w/ manifold and linkage installed for a
later style TR-6 (not the 69) or a TVR. These were tried by a person on a
stock street car and it was too much carb. They didn't want to get into
changing chokes/jets and air correctors. 

I thought I would offer them up to FOT before listing them elsewhere. These
are all like new as is the linkage and manifold. Anyone interested with
realistic proposals please contact me outside the group. These are the real
thing, not offshore knock-offs. Mounted on a Pierce manifold. 

I also have a second Pierce manifold (TR-6) available as well as a Spitfire
(1296 or 1500) dual DCOE-40 Pierce manifold (8-port). 

Please contact me for more information.

 

Russ Moore (rem9 at twcny.rr.com)


From billb at bnj.com  Wed Sep 16 09:15:11 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:15:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 6 cylinder DCOE 40 setup
In-Reply-To: <000501ca36d5$4f6232d0$ee269870$@rr.com>
References: <000501ca36d5$4f6232d0$ee269870$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <B1931F89-DC82-42AB-AE77-BB26A60522CD@bnj.com>

Wow, what a strange reason to ditch Webers. Adjustability is about the  
only really good reason to buy Webers, other than the fact that they  
look bitchin'.


On Sep 16, 2009, at 6:55 AM, Spitfire Racing wrote:

> I have a complete triple Weber setup w/ manifold and linkage  
> installed for a
> later style TR-6 (not the 69) or a TVR. These were tried by a person  
> on a
> stock street car and it was too much carb. They didn't want to get  
> into
> changing chokes/jets and air correctors.
>
> I thought I would offer them up to FOT before listing them  
> elsewhere. These
> are all like new as is the linkage and manifold. Anyone interested  
> with
> realistic proposals please contact me outside the group. These are  
> the real
> thing, not offshore knock-offs. Mounted on a Pierce manifold.
>
> I also have a second Pierce manifold (TR-6) available as well as a  
> Spitfire
> (1296 or 1500) dual DCOE-40 Pierce manifold (8-port).
>
> Please contact me for more information.
>
>
>
> Russ Moore (rem9 at twcny.rr.com)
>
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Sep 16 09:51:43 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:51:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] 6 cylinder DCOE 40 setup
In-Reply-To: <B1931F89-DC82-42AB-AE77-BB26A60522CD@bnj.com>
References: <000501ca36d5$4f6232d0$ee269870$@rr.com>
	<B1931F89-DC82-42AB-AE77-BB26A60522CD@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909161149500.5534@isis.mit.edu>

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Bill Babcock wrote:

> Wow, what a strange reason to ditch Webers. Adjustability is about the only 
> really good reason to buy Webers, other than the fact that they look 
> bitchin'.

I was going to "say" the same thing! You can make Webers do just about 
anything. And I have a $1500 collection of brass to prove it.

I'd buy the setup for myself, but I'm trying to start thinning my 
collection right now.

rml
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From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Sep 16 11:17:58 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:17:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 6 cylinder DCOE 40 setup
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909161149500.5534@isis.mit.edu>
References: <000501ca36d5$4f6232d0$ee269870$@rr.com>
	<B1931F89-DC82-42AB-AE77-BB26A60522CD@bnj.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909161149500.5534@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909161017n1e0ea190v2c62f97775f2fc71@mail.gmail.com>

Pehaps the buyer did not understand just putting on the Webers was a
waste of time--there is the cam, head porting and decent
header-exhaust needed to use all that gas vapor.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu> wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Bill Babcock wrote:
>
>> Wow, what a strange reason to ditch Webers. Adjustability is about the
>> only really good reason to buy Webers, other than the fact that they look
>> bitchin'.
>
> I was going to "say" the same thing! You can make Webers do just about
> anything. And I have a $1500 collection of brass to prove it.
>
> I'd buy the setup for myself, but I'm trying to start thinning my
collection
> right now.
>
> rml
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From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Sep 16 11:19:17 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:19:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 6 cylinder DCOE 40 setup
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909161149500.5534@isis.mit.edu>
References: <000501ca36d5$4f6232d0$ee269870$@rr.com><B1931F89-DC82-42AB-AE77-BB26A60522CD@bnj.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909161149500.5534@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <36B80137250840269F7D6B0AE234DD43@joepentiumnew>

Yes, Webers are great for tuning to the needs of a particular circuit but
not so great on a street car that is traveling in multiple environments.
That is why I got rid of my Spitfire twin DCOE setup in favor of EFI on my
Red Spit.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Robert Lang
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:52 AM
To: Bill Babcock
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] 6 cylinder DCOE 40 setup

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Bill Babcock wrote:

> Wow, what a strange reason to ditch Webers. Adjustability is about the
only 
> really good reason to buy Webers, other than the fact that they look 
> bitchin'.

I was going to "say" the same thing! You can make Webers do just about 
anything. And I have a $1500 collection of brass to prove it.

I'd buy the setup for myself, but I'm trying to start thinning my 
collection right now.

rml
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Sep 16 12:01:15 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:01:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TRANSPORT FROM MIDWEST TO CALIFORNIA AND RETURN
In-Reply-To: <36B80137250840269F7D6B0AE234DD43@joepentiumnew>
References: <000501ca36d5$4f6232d0$ee269870$@rr.com><B1931F89-DC82-42AB-AE77-BB26A60522CD@bnj.com><Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909161149500.5534@isis.mit.edu>
	<36B80137250840269F7D6B0AE234DD43@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <8CC050ED1B5830C-56E0-60D9@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com>

FOT,



I am contemplating a trip to California from Iowa sometime in the next three months. If I configure my rig right, I might be able to transport a car both ways.



Anyone with a need to move stuff? Enclosed Trailer.



Joe Alexander


From robertten1 at aol.com  Wed Sep 16 21:11:37 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:11:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 MK3 Part ...
Message-ID: <8CC055BB3E54900-3604-CC08@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com>

Amici,

?

I'm looking for an input shaft for a late model GT6 Mk3 gearbox for my race Spitfire.? Late in the model year the factory modified the top gear, the helical cut is at a different angle from the early gearboxes.

?

Thanks,

Bob T

'64 Spit GT? autocrosser


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Sep 17 03:19:13 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:19:13 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort race
In-Reply-To: <0KQ3003FICOG1VT0@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <20090913012840.6A1AF187657@autox.team.net>
	<000901ca3578$4b031000$e1093000$@com>
	<49BE0BD305FE4534A8794D2A1D7FB0B5@KasPC>
	<001301ca3588$b8b9a900$2a2cfb00$@com>
	<0KQ3003FICOG1VT0@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <003201ca3777$eedbf970$cc93ec50$@com>

The gauge is a datalogger with included shiftlight.
The laps are recorded and you  can analyse them on a computer.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: J.C. Hassall [mailto:jhassall at blacksburg.net]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. September 2009 03:12
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort race

At 06:14 PM 9/14/2009, you wrote:
>Hi @ all,

Chris, get video, thanks for sharing it.  *Great* driving!

What is the gauge or indicator on the left, where the fascia vent
would go?  There appears to be a flashing light there.


>here is the newest video taken from my car.
>It was a wet race. I'm terribly sorry that sometimes the auto focus liked
>the rain drops more than the track but I hope it is fun to watch.
>
>http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5381443852892581074
>
>
>I had a little trouble before that race #2 you see in that video. At race
#1
>the right caliper blocked the wheel and in the paddock the axle bearing
>grease left the housing, was running over the hot brake disk and started
>burning a little. With a paper handkerchief the fire was stopped and only
>smoke is left behind.
>
>At the last lap I overtook at a yellow flagged area and got a 20 second
>penalty which sat me from position 10 to 15. I'm angry about my mistake
>because with that overtaking I had nothing to win, the TR6 is in a higher
>class. But if you are close to another car on a wet track a yellow flag is
>hard to see.
>
>Cheers
>Chris
>
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Thu Sep 17 08:30:25 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:30:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks
Message-ID: <8CC05BA87E5E2D9-4648-10D59@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com>

Amici Spit Racers,

Curious as to what brand of shocks people are using, and the settings, on the rear of your Spitfire Race Cars?? Also, has anyine any experience with the shocks available from Ted at TSI ?? My second set of Spax are leaking out!

Curious,
Bob T


From harmug at us.ibm.com  Thu Sep 17 13:38:41 2009
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:38:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 34, Issue 29
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1253210401.20535.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF55B294CA.D734823B-ON85257634.006854C7-85257634.006BE7C1@us.ibm.com>

"?Curious as to what brand of shocks people are using, and the settings,
on the rear of your Spitfire Race Cars?"
I'm running SPAX shocks in my 63 Spit 3 or 4 clicks softer than the front
shocks. I've had SPAX shocks break the ends off from off roading and impact
but not leak. They've behaved on my street Spits/GT6 too.

mike h


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu Sep 17 13:43:18 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:43:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks
References: <8CC05BA87E5E2D9-4648-10D59@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <34604458FB4147B8A5C4E5609FBF5F61@rocky>

Konis all around. Full hard in back.

And thinking of sending them in to get revalved harder. Reason: Koni says it 
results in better turn-in in front. When I reset the rears to full hard it 
did give me better turn-in, just not enough yet.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <robertten1 at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:30 AM
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks


> Amici Spit Racers,
>
> Curious as to what brand of shocks people are using, and the settings, on 
> the rear of your Spitfire Race Cars?? Also, has anyine any experience with 
> the shocks available from Ted at TSI ?? My second set of Spax are leaking 
> out!
>
> Curious,
> Bob T
>
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Thu Sep 17 18:24:14 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:24:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks
In-Reply-To: <8CC05BA87E5E2D9-4648-10D59@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <A5EB7216628542AF8F0BD1233DF1858D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Spax - 5 Clicks off of full stiff.  No problems in 4 seasons.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of robertten1 at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:30 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks


Amici Spit Racers,

Curious as to what brand of shocks people are using, and the settings, on
the rear of your Spitfire Race Cars?? Also, has anyine any experience with
the shocks available from Ted at TSI ?? My second set of Spax are leaking
out!

Curious,
Bob T
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From fpspitfire at comcast.net  Thu Sep 17 18:29:53 2009
From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 00:29:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks
In-Reply-To: <34604458FB4147B8A5C4E5609FBF5F61@rocky>
Message-ID: <1598783088.865491253233793561.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Bob



I use AVO dampers.B  rears are full rose bearing connections and front have a
rose bearing on the bottom and stock top with poly bushings.



front settings vary from 8-15 and the rears vary from 12-20 of the 24
positions.B 



Remember your mileage will vary depending on springs, tires, and swaybars.



I had spax on my car for a while and didn't like them at all.B  the
adjustability was not very good, the spitfire ones if i remember correctly
only adjust rebound (or bump i can't remember) and i was never able to really
see a differenct between the full soft setting and full hard setting.B  I also
thought the adjustable spring perch was cheap.B  it's a collar welded on
rather than a threaded body,the shaft is a small diameter.



I don't know much about the Koni's so I can't really say much about them other
than I know the adjustability is not able to be done with the damper on the
car.B  you have to remove, compress, twist...



aaron

#87 HP Spitfire 1500

Southern Illinois Region SCCA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net, robertten1 at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 3:43:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks

Konis all around. Full hard in back.

And thinking of sending them in to get revalved harder. Reason: Koni says it
results in better turn-in in front. When I reset the rears to full hard it
did give me better turn-in, just not enough yet.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message -----
From: <robertten1 at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:30 AM
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks


> Amici Spit Racers,
>
> Curious as to what brand of shocks people are using, and the settings, on
> the rear of your Spitfire Race Cars?? Also, has anyine any experience with
> the shocks available from Ted at TSI ?? My second set of Spax are leaking
> out!
>
> Curious,
> Bob T


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Thu Sep 17 19:23:18 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:23:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks
In-Reply-To: <1598783088.865491253233793561.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <819DB320E6BF4F82928C3C5E8D258E68@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Gotta agree with Aaron that even though I'm running the Spax, and haven't
had any problems with them, I'm not particularily pleased with them.  The
fronts required a lot of work to make them fit right.  I had to cut off the
spring mounts (they are cheesy) and make my own out of aluminum to fit
standard 2.25 inch springs.  Also had to make a new upper mount to get any
travel out of them with a low ride height.  I also agree that they don't
seem to do as much as I would like with adjustments.

Part numbers and sources for alternates would be appreciated.

Thanks

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of fpspitfire at comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:30 PM
To: Rocky Entriken
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks


Bob



I use AVO dampers.B  rears are full rose bearing connections and front have
a rose bearing on the bottom and stock top with poly bushings.



front settings vary from 8-15 and the rears vary from 12-20 of the 24
positions.B



Remember your mileage will vary depending on springs, tires, and swaybars.



I had spax on my car for a while and didn't like them at all.B  the
adjustability was not very good, the spitfire ones if i remember correctly
only adjust rebound (or bump i can't remember) and i was never able to
really see a differenct between the full soft setting and full hard
setting.B  I also thought the adjustable spring perch was cheap.B  it's a
collar welded on rather than a threaded body,the shaft is a small diameter.



I don't know much about the Koni's so I can't really say much about them
other than I know the adjustability is not able to be done with the damper
on the car.B  you have to remove, compress, twist...



aaron

#87 HP Spitfire 1500

Southern Illinois Region SCCA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net, robertten1 at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 3:43:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks

Konis all around. Full hard in back.

And thinking of sending them in to get revalved harder. Reason: Koni says it
results in better turn-in in front. When I reset the rears to full hard it
did give me better turn-in, just not enough yet.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message -----
From: <robertten1 at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:30 AM
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks


> Amici Spit Racers,
>
> Curious as to what brand of shocks people are using, and the settings,
> on the rear of your Spitfire Race Cars?? Also, has anyine any
> experience with the shocks available from Ted at TSI ?? My second set
> of Spax are leaking out!
>
> Curious,
> Bob T
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Sep 18 13:52:23 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:52:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Waaaaay off topic - Craigslist
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74014ECF08@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

OK, so I'm looking at buying a sailboat that's listed on Craigs list.
I'm clearly doing something wrong and none of the help desk discussions
or instructions are helpful in any way.  Are there any Craigs list
experts out there willing to help?

Scott


From dave at microworks.net  Fri Sep 18 16:18:50 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:18:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Waaaaay off topic - Craigslist
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74014ECF08@svr-exch01.mccart
	y-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74014ECF08@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <20090918221928.11944187658@autox.team.net>

I bought one of my sailboats off Craigslist.

At 12:52 PM 9/18/2009, you wrote:
>OK, so I'm looking at buying a sailboat that's listed on Craigs list.
>I'm clearly doing something wrong and none of the help desk discussions
>or instructions are helpful in any way.  Are there any Craigs list
>experts out there willing to help?
>
>Scott
>
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 19 16:57:57 2009
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:57:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Mother Muller Suspension??
Message-ID: <315540.98803.qm@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

The 62 TR4 I am getting ready to run next summer has Mother Muller Suspension
on it (as my Father in Law tells me).  The upper A arm is not stock.  It
appears adjustable.  Does anyone know anthing about this type of sepension.
Thanks!!!!!

Mike Mehl


From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Sep 19 22:12:13 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 22:12:13 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: [Thicko] TR special]
Message-ID: <4AB5AB9D.7010907@bradakis.com>

> Ebay item number 140346665057


Shucks.  The Team.Net fund drive didn't bring in enough to cover the starting
bid on this car.  So it goes.

mjb.


From triosan at gmail.com  Sun Sep 20 09:24:11 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 08:24:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: [Thicko] TR special]
In-Reply-To: <4AB5AB9D.7010907@bradakis.com>
References: <4AB5AB9D.7010907@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909200824y345a1d6cg3c13d5034332fb5a@mail.gmail.com>

Now there is a car that Bill Hart should add tohis collection.  I am
thinking Babcock is downsizing!
Chuck

On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
>> Ebay item number 140346665057
>
>
> Shucks.  The Team.Net fund drive didn't bring in enough to cover the
> starting
> bid on this car.  So it goes.
>
> mjb.
>
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Sun Sep 20 16:29:08 2009
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:29:08 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <20090915134533.5C42418763F@autox.team.net>
References: <c1a.667e3d7c.37e03032@aol.com><003701ca35e3$54653e50$fd2fbaf0$@com>
	<20090915134533.5C42418763F@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <26EFF523CEAF466E9C32138E5AFCC067@homekeith>

Hi Chris,

I race in the US using a UK National A so your FIA International C will be
good enough...

Cheers, Keith.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: 15 September 2009 14:45
To: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning

I'm sure that license would be accepted.

- Tony

At 04:02 AM 9/15/2009, MadMarx wrote:
>Would be a great idea to rent a race for an event!
>Should be an event where Kas is present and maybe a nice track layout too.
>
>Is a FIA int. C-license accepted in USA?
>
>Cheers
>Chris
>
>Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 01:48
>An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
>Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
>No, not the race car silly.  Just you.  We can figure a way to get you into
>a race car at one of our events ;-))
>
>In a message dated 9/14/2009 3:44:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
>I would like to but the air transport of the race car is out of my current
>budget.
>
>But Id like to thank you for your nice welcome to USA.
>
>Cheers
>Chris
>
>Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 00:07
>An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
>Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
>Just so Amigo, That's why we make so much effort to contact, converse and
>meet our like minded friends.  That often involves 1000 mile plus tows but
>when you sit around the pits on an evening sharing storiesd and adult
>beverages it all seems worth it!
>
>If you were to plan a Holiday in the US to coincide with any race meet you
>can trust the Triumph folk would make you welcome!
>
>In a message dated 9/14/2009 2:43:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
>I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country.
Would
>be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in the
>Mongolia and we might never meet.
>You are subscribed as gt6steve at aol.com
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Sep 21 02:36:06 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:36:06 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <26EFF523CEAF466E9C32138E5AFCC067@homekeith>
References: <c1a.667e3d7c.37e03032@aol.com><003701ca35e3$54653e50$fd2fbaf0$@com>
	<20090915134533.5C42418763F@autox.team.net>
	<26EFF523CEAF466E9C32138E5AFCC067@homekeith>
Message-ID: <003901ca3a96$93756450$ba602cf0$@com>

I'm preparing for the Nordschleife race next weekend.
The weather reports are quite reasonable. If it rains - don't matter, rain
tires are there to serve the car well. Race distance is about 200 mls + two
practice sessions of one hour each.

Think that will be some fun.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Keith Files [mailto:keithfiles at btinternet.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 21. September 2009 00:29
An: 'Tony Drews'; 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Next race planning

Hi Chris,

I race in the US using a UK National A so your FIA International C will be
good enough...

Cheers, Keith.


From SpiwakD at aol.com  Mon Sep 21 07:18:46 2009
From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:18:46 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Radiator TR3
Message-ID: <c8a.45e1859f.37e8d736@aol.com>

Need a source for a quality aluminum radiator for TR3 race  car


From SpiwakD at aol.com  Mon Sep 21 07:20:43 2009
From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:20:43 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
Message-ID: <d55.5a2477dc.37e8d7ab@aol.com>

I am having trouble with my pickups sucking air during long sweepers. Does  
anyone use a fuel cell with a trap or captive sump to hold fuel while 
cornering?  A 5 gallon would be fine.


From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Sep 21 08:48:46 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 07:48:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
In-Reply-To: <d55.5a2477dc.37e8d7ab@aol.com>
References: <d55.5a2477dc.37e8d7ab@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F35DD9D23DDE4AC5AC399E79D30FAE7D@joepentiumnew>

I hope you have the pickup in the center of the tank rather on one side.  I
made that mistake once and found that on left hand turns all the fuel would
go to the other side of the tank despite the foam baffles inside the tank.
Changing the orientation fixed the trouble.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 6:21 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell

I am having trouble with my pickups sucking air during long sweepers. Does  
anyone use a fuel cell with a trap or captive sump to hold fuel while 
cornering?  A 5 gallon would be fine.
You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net

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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Sep 21 11:04:06 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:04:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
References: <d55.5a2477dc.37e8d7ab@aol.com>
	<F35DD9D23DDE4AC5AC399E79D30FAE7D@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <A3BBF02E8B844C6A9120020B49A3943E@rocky>

When I ordered my ATL cell many years ago, I ordered it with two pickups, 
one in each rear corner. They go to two Holley Red fuel pumps (redundancy) 
which then feed to a single tee that sends fuel to the front of the car for 
the carbs. Just before the carbs there's a regulator I set for 2.5 lbs of 
flow (I have a fuel flow meter there also).

Never had a problem. BTW, it's 8 gallons. I also ordered it with a dipstick 
so I could know my fuel level.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell


>I hope you have the pickup in the center of the tank rather on one side.  I
> made that mistake once and found that on left hand turns all the fuel 
> would
> go to the other side of the tank despite the foam baffles inside the tank.
> Changing the orientation fixed the trouble.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 6:21 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
>
> I am having trouble with my pickups sucking air during long sweepers. Does
> anyone use a fuel cell with a trap or captive sump to hold fuel while
> cornering?  A 5 gallon would be fine.
> You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net
>
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Mon Sep 21 12:01:23 2009
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:01:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
In-Reply-To: <d55.5a2477dc.37e8d7ab@aol.com>
References: <d55.5a2477dc.37e8d7ab@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W502AC697950056EC43AF6B2DD0@phx.gbl>

YES. ATL have a plastic "box"(fuel collector) that can be fitted to most fuel
cells. Has one way valves to allow fuel in and cental pickup.



good luck



Tony

> From: SpiwakD at aol.com
> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:20:43 -0400
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
>
> I am having trouble with my pickups sucking air during long sweepers. Does
> anyone use a fuel cell with a trap or captive sump to hold fuel while
> cornering? A 5 gallon would be fine.
>
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From cofrog at q.com  Mon Sep 21 12:22:22 2009
From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:22:22 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Hoosier Speedster Wanted
Message-ID: <SNT105-W3193836B3C182B5690040FD4DD0@phx.gbl>

Listers,



Earlier this season I wrecked a 205-60-15 Speedster.  I am left with three
that have 1/3 to 1/2 tread left.  I am looking for one tire with similiar
wear.  Now that the season is about over, I am hoping someone has one laying
around that they want to get rid of.



Thanks,



Dan Forgey


From robertten1 at aol.com  Mon Sep 21 12:28:43 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:28:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC  Obituary
Message-ID: <8CC09007C0DE3B7-3ACC-17745@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>

> Obituary printed in the London Times - Interesting and
> sadly, rather true. 
> 
> Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend,
> Common Sense,
> who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure
> how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost
> in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having
> cultivated such valuable lessons as: 
> - Knowing when to come in out of the rain; 
> - Why the early bird gets the worm; 
> - Life isn't always fair; 
> - and maybe it was my fault. 
> 
> Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial
> policies (don't spend more than you can earn) and
> reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).
> His health began to deteriorate rapidly when
> well-intentioned but
 overbearing regulations were set in
> place. Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual
> harassment for kiss ing a classmate; teens suspended from
> school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired
> for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his
> condition. 
> 
> Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked
> teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed
> to do in disciplining their unruly children. 
> 
> It declined even further when schools were required to get
> parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a
> student; but could not inform parents when a student became
> pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.
> 
> 
> Common Sense lost the will to live as the
> churches became businesses; and criminals received better
> treatment than their victims. 
> 
> Common Sense
 took a beating when you couldn't
> defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the
> burglar could sue you for assault. 
> 
> Common Sense finally gave up the will to live,
> after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of
> coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was
> promptly awarded a huge settlement. 
> 
> Common Sense was preceded in death, by his
> parents, Truth and Trust, by his wife, Discretion, by his
> daughter, Responsibility, and by his son, Reason. 
> 
> He is survived by his 4 stepbrothers; 
> I Know My Rights 
> I Want It Now 
> Someone Else Is To Blame 
> I'm A Victim 
> 
> Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he
> was gone. If you still remember him, pass this on. If not,
> join the majority and do nothing. 



?

Makes You THINK !!

Bob T.


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Sep 21 12:53:24 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:53:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC  Obituary
In-Reply-To: <8CC09007C0DE3B7-3ACC-17745@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC09007C0DE3B7-3ACC-17745@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <FF1A6C97AB0A45E488189D6F455CBFCD@jdnet.deere.com>

> > Obituary printed in the London Times - Interesting and
> > sadly, rather true.

Or perhaps, like Mark Twain, the reports of his death are greatly
exaggerated.  

This little ditty has been making the rounds since well before the Internet
age, at least 20 years that I know of.  The bit about the coffee was added
later (and that was in 1992, so gives you some idea).

-- Randall 


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Sep 21 15:03:53 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:03:53 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
Message-ID: <c63.501bea13.37e94439@aol.com>

My system exactly.  NEVER a problem....
 
 
In a message dated 9/21/2009 10:21:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
rocky at spitfire4.com writes:

When I  ordered my ATL cell many years ago, I ordered it with two pickups, 
one in  each rear corner. They go to two Holley Red fuel pumps (redundancy) 
which  then feed to a single tee that sends fuel to the front of the car 
for 
the  carbs. Just before the carbs there's a regulator I set for 2.5 lbs of 
flow  (I have a fuel flow meter there also).

Never had a problem. BTW, it's 8  gallons. I also ordered it with a 
dipstick 
so I could know my fuel  level.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From:  "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>;  <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:48  AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell


>I hope you have  the pickup in the center of the tank rather on one side.  
I
> made  that mistake once and found that on left hand turns all the fuel 
>  would
> go to the other side of the tank despite the foam baffles inside  the 
tank.
> Changing the orientation fixed the trouble.
>
>  Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>  Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 6:21  AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel  cell
>
> I am having trouble with my pickups sucking air during  long sweepers. 
Does
> anyone use a fuel cell with a trap or captive sump  to hold fuel while
> cornering?  A 5 gallon would be fine.
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From John.Reed at wilson.com  Mon Sep 21 15:12:03 2009
From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:12:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
In-Reply-To: <c63.501bea13.37e94439@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C6DD5653.3954%John.Reed@wilson.com>

Ditto


On 9/21/09 4:03 PM, "Gt6steve at aol.com" <Gt6steve at aol.com> wrote:

> My system exactly.  NEVER a problem....
>  
>  
> In a message dated 9/21/2009 10:21:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> rocky at spitfire4.com writes:
> 
> When I  ordered my ATL cell many years ago, I ordered it with two pickups,
> one in  each rear corner. They go to two Holley Red fuel pumps (redundancy)
> which  then feed to a single tee that sends fuel to the front of the car
> for 
> the  carbs. Just before the carbs there's a regulator I set for 2.5 lbs of
> flow  (I have a fuel flow meter there also).
> 
> Never had a problem. BTW, it's 8  gallons. I also ordered it with a
> dipstick 
> so I could know my fuel  level.
> 
> --Rocky Entriken
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:  "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
> To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>;  <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:48  AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
> 
> 
>> I hope you have  the pickup in the center of the tank rather on one side.
> I
>> made  that mistake once and found that on left hand turns all the fuel
>>  would
>> go to the other side of the tank despite the foam baffles inside  the
> tank.
>> Changing the orientation fixed the trouble.
>> 
>>  Joe C.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:  fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>>  Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 6:21  AM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel  cell
>> 
>> I am having trouble with my pickups sucking air during  long sweepers.
> Does
>> anyone use a fuel cell with a trap or captive sump  to hold fuel while
>> cornering?  A 5 gallon would be fine.
>>  You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net
>> 
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Sep 21 15:13:10 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:13:10 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
Message-ID: <c2e.55e791f4.37e94666@aol.com>

Isn't it cool how solutions far separated follow the same paths, perhaps  
suggesting that they're right?  Or maybe just saying they're  easy...;-))
 
 
In a message dated 9/21/2009 2:11:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
John.Reed at wilson.com writes:

Ditto


On 9/21/09 4:03 PM, "Gt6steve at aol.com"  <Gt6steve at aol.com> wrote:

> My system exactly.  NEVER a  problem....
>  
>  
> In a message dated 9/21/2009  10:21:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> rocky at spitfire4.com  writes:
> 
> When I  ordered my ATL cell many years ago, I  ordered it with two 
pickups,
> one in  each rear corner. They go to  two Holley Red fuel pumps 
(redundancy)
> which  then feed to a  single tee that sends fuel to the front of the car
> for 
>  the  carbs. Just before the carbs there's a regulator I set for 2.5 lbs  
of
> flow  (I have a fuel flow meter there also).
> 
>  Never had a problem. BTW, it's 8  gallons. I also ordered it with  a
> dipstick 
> so I could know my fuel  level.
>  
> --Rocky Entriken
> 
> ----- Original Message  -----
> From:  "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
> To:  <SpiwakD at aol.com>;  <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent:  Monday, September 21, 2009 9:48  AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot]  Slosh-proof fuel cell
> 
> 
>> I hope you have  the  pickup in the center of the tank rather on one 
side.
> I
>>  made  that mistake once and found that on left hand turns all the  fuel
>>  would
>> go to the other side of the tank  despite the foam baffles inside  the
> tank.
>> Changing  the orientation fixed the trouble.
>> 
>>  Joe  C.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:   fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]  
On
>>  Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
>> Sent: Monday,  September 21, 2009 6:21  AM
>> To:  fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel   cell
>> 
>> I am having trouble with my pickups sucking air  during  long sweepers.
> Does
>> anyone use a fuel cell  with a trap or captive sump  to hold fuel while
>>  cornering?  A 5 gallon would be fine.
>>  You are  subscribed as spitlist at cox.net
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Thu Sep 24 15:23:36 2009
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:23:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC  Obituary
In-Reply-To: <8CC09007C0DE3B7-3ACC-17745@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC09007C0DE3B7-3ACC-17745@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <82457C20A4C94CE3B323A319FBBEAF1F@INSPIRON>

No LBC is a good thing once in a while         cool
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <robertten1 at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 2:28 PM
Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC Obituary


>> Obituary printed in the London Times - Interesting and
>> sadly, rather true. 
>> 
>> Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend,
>> Common Sense,
>> who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure
>> how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost
>> in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having
>> cultivated such valuable lessons as: 
>> - Knowing when to come in out of the rain; 
>> - Why the early bird gets the worm; 
>> - Life isn't always fair; 
>> - and maybe it was my fault. 
>> 
>> Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial
>> policies (don't spend more than you can earn) and
>> reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).
>> His health began to deteriorate rapidly when
>> well-intentioned but
> overbearing regulations were set in
>> place. Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual
>> harassment for kiss ing a classmate; teens suspended from
>> school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired
>> for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his
>> condition. 
>> 
>> Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked
>> teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed
>> to do in disciplining their unruly children. 
>> 
>> It declined even further when schools were required to get
>> parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a
>> student; but could not inform parents when a student became
>> pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.
>> 
>> 
>> Common Sense lost the will to live as the
>> churches became businesses; and criminals received better
>> treatment than their victims. 
>> 
>> Common Sense
> took a beating when you couldn't
>> defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the
>> burglar could sue you for assault. 
>> 
>> Common Sense finally gave up the will to live,
>> after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of
>> coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was
>> promptly awarded a huge settlement. 
>> 
>> Common Sense was preceded in death, by his
>> parents, Truth and Trust, by his wife, Discretion, by his
>> daughter, Responsibility, and by his son, Reason. 
>> 
>> He is survived by his 4 stepbrothers; 
>> I Know My Rights 
>> I Want It Now 
>> Someone Else Is To Blame 
>> I'm A Victim 
>> 
>> Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he
>> was gone. If you still remember him, pass this on. If not,
>> join the majority and do nothing. 
> 
> 
> 
> ?
> 
> Makes You THINK !!
> 
> Bob T.
> 
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From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Sep 21 15:41:33 2009
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:41:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] PI
Message-ID: <00cb01ca3b04$49bdbd80$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>

got a chance at a TR6 PI setup.
any ideas of what constitutes a good
price and pitfalls i should watch for?

art de armond


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Sep 21 15:53:56 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:53:56 -0700
Subject: [Fot] PI
References: <00cb01ca3b04$49bdbd80$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <AAC2BA27E0754F1B9F681BB3F4349092@Charly>

Price depends on condition  $100 to $500, they all need to be worked on and 
none have all the pieces.
Get as many pieces as you can i.e.: 3 good throttle bodies that have the 
linkage complete and decent throttle shafts (I believe someone sells the 
throttle shafts for about $200), 6 injectors with corresponding tubes, 1 
control unit (these can be rebuilt for about $600) metering unit (make sure 
you get the proper fittings on the mu) and pedestal complete with 
distributor drive gear, Lucas fuel pump and pressure relief valve, fuel 
filter, air plenum, air filter housing

This should be about all the parts you need.  These are available quite 
often at various prices.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44 with PI

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "riverside" <riverside at southslope.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 2:41 PM
Subject: [Fot] PI


> got a chance at a TR6 PI setup.
> any ideas of what constitutes a good
> price and pitfalls i should watch for?
>
> art de armond
>
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Mon Sep 21 21:26:31 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:26:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Radiator TR3
In-Reply-To: <c8a.45e1859f.37e8d736@aol.com>
References: <c8a.45e1859f.37e8d736@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000301ca3b34$8db7eda0$a927c8e0$@com>

Try E-bay Motors and type in "Triumph aluminum radiators".  You will get to
the Wizard Cooling E-bay "store". They have them for the TR3.  They built
the aluminum radiator for our 1961 TR4 race car and we are very pleased with
it.  No problems cooling, even when it's in the 80's.  Out contact was Mr.
Scott Attig and I believe he is still with Wizard.  I think ours was the
prototype for the early TR4/late TR3 style.  I see that it isn't shown on
the E-bay store.  I can e-mail a photo of ours if you are interested.

Tim Murphy
1961 TR4 #317

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:19 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Radiator TR3

Need a source for a quality aluminum radiator for TR3 race  car
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From gsfuqua1 at aol.com  Tue Sep 22 00:26:13 2009
From: gsfuqua1 at aol.com (Gary S Fuqua)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:26:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Radiator TR3
In-Reply-To: <000301ca3b34$8db7eda0$a927c8e0$@com>
References: <c8a.45e1859f.37e8d736@aol.com>
	<000301ca3b34$8db7eda0$a927c8e0$@com>
Message-ID: <5949D324-5C04-4252-A4D7-32EC4E3E88AA@aol.com>

I can also vouch for Scot & Wizzard.  I have 1 of there beautiful  
radiators in my 63 TR 4 racer.  Works great & I always get great  
comments on it.  In fact I was so impressed I bought 2 for TR 3B's I'm  
building.

Cheers,  Gary Fuqua
Classic Sports Cars
Branson, Missouri

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 21, 2009, at 10:26 PM, "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>  
wrote:

> Try E-bay Motors and type in "Triumph aluminum radiators".  You will  
> get to
> the Wizard Cooling E-bay "store". They have them for the TR3.  They  
> built
> the aluminum radiator for our 1961 TR4 race car and we are very  
> pleased with
> it.  No problems cooling, even when it's in the 80's.  Out contact  
> was Mr.
> Scott Attig and I believe he is still with Wizard.  I think ours was  
> the
> prototype for the early TR4/late TR3 style.  I see that it isn't  
> shown on
> the E-bay store.  I can e-mail a photo of ours if you are interested.
>
> Tim Murphy
> 1961 TR4 #317
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> On
> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:19 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Radiator TR3
>
> Need a source for a quality aluminum radiator for TR3 race  car
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From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Tue Sep 22 03:00:04 2009
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:00:04 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Billet Cams
Message-ID: <3BB75B951AF042E89B08BDEEDF39B849@GEOFFPC>

FOT
does any know of a supplier of billet cams for the 6 cyl motor
Geoff Byrne
TR6 racer down under


From jaboruch at netzero.net  Tue Sep 22 06:08:01 2009
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:08:01 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Radiator TR3
Message-ID: <20090922.080801.10982.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com>

I had one made by McCulloch Fabricating some years ago.  They custom made it
to my drawing.  I added some brackets for an electric fan.  Their web site is
http://www.alumrad.com/.

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To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Radiator TR3
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:18:46 EDT

Need a source for a quality aluminum radiator for TR3 race  car
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Sep 22 07:32:09 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:32:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Billet Cams
In-Reply-To: <3BB75B951AF042E89B08BDEEDF39B849@GEOFFPC>
References: <3BB75B951AF042E89B08BDEEDF39B849@GEOFFPC>
Message-ID: <4AB8D1D9.5090206@pobox.com>

There are a number of suppliers that sell cams ground on new chilled 
cast iron blanks - TSI Imported, Intergral Cams.  The blanks usually 
have to be bought in large lots.  Ask them if they will sell you a 
blank.  Please let me know what you find out.  I'll be in the market for 
these in the near future.
Larry Young

Geoff Byrne wrote:
> FOT
> does any know of a supplier of billet cams for the 6 cyl motor
> Geoff Byrne
> TR6 racer down under
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue Sep 22 08:38:37 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:38:37 EDT
Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE 1296   AVAILABLE  -  RACE PREPARED
Message-ID: <c11.37475d3c.37ea3b6d@cs.com>

LIST:

There is a Spitfire vintage prepared, but unsorted with mild 1296 engine. 
NFI

Great school car, methinks, and then open to further development.

This might be a sale of opportunity as I could deliver west of the 
Mississippi as I plan to travel to California by November with space available in 
enclosed trailer.

Pictures and details available by owner. Contact me for initial details and 
I will connect you with owner. He is likely to be with me on delivery, if 
sale occurs.

Joe Alexander


From goodparts at verizon.net  Tue Sep 22 15:50:10 2009
From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:50:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Billet Cams
In-Reply-To: <3BB75B951AF042E89B08BDEEDF39B849@GEOFFPC>
References: <3BB75B951AF042E89B08BDEEDF39B849@GEOFFPC>
Message-ID: <80757D16ED3F473B8B53B617D6D2A0B0@AdminPC>

I have semi-finished chilled iron cams in stock.  Everything is finish 
ground except the lobes.  Contact me off list for pricing.

Regards,
Richard Good
Good Parts

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:00 AM
Subject: [Fot] Billet Cams


> FOT
> does any know of a supplier of billet cams for the 6 cyl motor
> Geoff Byrne
> TR6 racer down under
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From rblake36 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 22 21:21:07 2009
From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:21:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TWS Weekend
Message-ID: <811492.63370.qm@web58507.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Just a note to those FOTer's who attended the TWS driver school and race
weekend, I would like to say thanks for making my first outing a sucess. 
Without the help of all, and especially Greg Blake and Bob Kramer, I would not
have enjoyed the weekend near as much as I did.  After an inauspisous (non)
start (read oil leaking all over the start grid on my first run), the car came
back to perform well, in spite of the driver, thanks to Kramer and his
incredible store of spares.  In fact, Bob saved both the Blakes, as Greg
needed a head gasket to finish the weekend.  I look forward to the next TWS
event in November when I plan to show better prepared.  A note to the Missouri
crowd.   When all else fails, just wrap your dipstick with paper towels and
carry on!
 
Bob Blake


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Sep 22 23:19:13 2009
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:19:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Worn Lifters
Message-ID: <C3498E1F-E0BA-486F-861D-EB095D5DFF8B@earthlink.net>

If anybody wants to see some pictures of a set of lifters after 1 race  
weekend in my TR3, let me know, I'll email the pix to you.
I'd like to get your reaction to the photos.

~Steve


From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Wed Sep 23 00:03:48 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 02:03:48 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TWS Weekend
Message-ID: <c40.6731b392.37eb1444@aol.com>

Good one Bob.  Speaking for the Missouri crowd we sure enjoyed our  time 
together and you are absolutely correct in your statements about Bob  Kramer.  
He is always a gentleman and if he doesn't have it he probably  knows where 
to get it.  Your experience at drivers school was not too much  unlike my 
own.  I did the school in February and while that makes for a  little more 
comfort while wearing all the racing duds it also means the oil is  heavy to 
pump in a cold race engine.  We started out Friday with a little  leak which 
we couldn't identify initially.  It continue to grow but not at  an alarming 
pace.  That is until Saturday morning when it was really  cold.  We started 
the car and oil literally poured out of it on the  floor.  I had a busted 
oil cooler AND I had  a mandatory drivers meeting.  You know all about those 
by now!   Anyway, while I was  fretting and worrying Bob and Walt sent me 
off to my meeting and by the time I  got out they had found a new cooler and 
had it installed.  I never missed a  lap!!  That is what a good part of 
Vintage Racing is all about for  me.  I love to race the cars and enjoy learn how 
to do it better but I  really love meeting new friends and the camaraderie 
that comes with Vintage  Racing and especially in the FoT crowd.  I hope to 
make it back down to TWS  in November and already have Hallett on the agenda 
for October.
 
Just keep the shiny side up and welcome to the family!  
 
Cheers,
 
Gary Fuqua
Branson, MO
 
Ps...Think with your dip stick Jimmy!!!!  Ha  ha


From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 23 07:03:02 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:03:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Autobahn?
Message-ID: <785796.23666.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

FOT:
 
Who is planning to be at VSCDA's Autobahn event; October 9 - 11?
 
Ernie


From jaboruch at netzero.net  Wed Sep 23 08:25:19 2009
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:25:19 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Spindle Spacer Shims
Message-ID: <20090923.102519.26423.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com>

Amici, where can I buy a set of shims for the uprated front spindle spacers to
use with Southwick front hubs?  After installing mine recently I put the
leftover shims in a safe place and now I can not find them.  I have looked in
all of the safe places that I can think of, but to no avail.  Joe(B)
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Sep 23 08:56:58 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:56:58 EDT
Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Autobahn?
Message-ID: <cf9.62e522bb.37eb913a@aol.com>

In a message dated 09/23/2009 8:09:56 AM Central Daylight Time, 
ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:


> FOT:
> 
> Who is planning to be at VSCDA's Autobahn event; October 9 - 11?
> 

I am registered to run the Thunder Bolt.  Bob Wismer has to pass on the 
VSCDA Autobahn event because his wife invited family guests to Moline for that 
week end.  I suggested they all come to Joliet for the week end.  But his 
wife wasn't buying into that agenda.

Bill Dentinger


From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Wed Sep 23 08:59:33 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:59:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spindle Spacer Shims
References: <20090923.102519.26423.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <042501ca3c5e$76183210$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Joe, I guess I'm not the only guy who stashes out parts where I'll be sure
to find them later on, then forgets  where I stashed them! I'm in the
process of finding some whitworth wrenches for a friend. Now where did I
leave them?
  As for the spacers, maybe Tony Drews could help you out with some of Uncle
Jacks shims.
  Good luck, Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:25 AM
  Subject: [Fot] Spindle Spacer Shims


  > Amici, where can I buy a set of shims for the uprated front spindle
spacers to
  > use with Southwick front hubs?  After installing mine recently I put the
  > leftover shims in a safe place and now I can not find them.  I have
looked in
  > all of the safe places that I can think of, but to no avail.  Joe(B)
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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Wed Sep 23 09:00:33 2009
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:00:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spindle Spacer Shims
References: <20090923.102519.26423.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <E53A59C6AABB4C1A8DA54D187DC19192@Edscomputer>

Joe,

Strangely, they will be in the last place you look!

Ed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:25 AM
Subject: [Fot] Spindle Spacer Shims


> Amici, where can I buy a set of shims for the uprated front spindle 
> spacers to
> use with Southwick front hubs?  After installing mine recently I put the
> leftover shims in a safe place and now I can not find them.  I have looked 
> in
> all of the safe places that I can think of, but to no avail.  Joe(B)


From bentleyblvd at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 23 09:57:09 2009
From: bentleyblvd at yahoo.com (John Hornbostel)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:57:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Autobahn?
In-Reply-To: <cf9.62e522bb.37eb913a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <935401.23854.qm@web58203.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

We'll be there with the Flying Brick #142. Although car is of Swedish origin,
driver/owner, as always, looks forward to joining with FOT attendees!

John Hornbostel
'63 Vitesse Sports 6

--- On Wed, 9/23/09, BillDentin at aol.com <BillDentin at aol.com> wrote:

> From: BillDentin at aol.com <BillDentin at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] VSCDA Autobahn?
> To: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com, fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 10:56 AM
> In a message dated 09/23/2009 8:09:56
> AM Central Daylight Time,
> ehusmann53 at yahoo.com
> writes:
>
>
> > FOT:
> >
> > Who is planning to be at VSCDA's Autobahn event;
> October 9 - 11?
> >
>
> I am registered to run the Thunder Bolt.  Bob Wismer
> has to pass on the
> VSCDA Autobahn event because his wife invited family guests
> to Moline for that
> week end.  I suggested they all come to Joliet for the
> week end.  But his
> wife wasn't buying into that agenda.
>
> Bill Dentinger
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From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Sep 23 10:13:30 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:13:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spindle Spacer Shims
In-Reply-To: <E53A59C6AABB4C1A8DA54D187DC19192@Edscomputer>
References: <20090923.102519.26423.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com>
	<E53A59C6AABB4C1A8DA54D187DC19192@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330909230913r5f429458m8d88064d644993b0@mail.gmail.com>

Naw. they will magically appear a day after you buy new ones.



On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Ed Woods <fogbro1 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Joe,
>
> Strangely, they will be in the last place you look!
>
> Ed
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:25 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Spindle Spacer Shims
>
>
>  Amici, where can I buy a set of shims for the uprated front spindle
>> spacers to
>> use with Southwick front hubs?  After installing mine recently I put the
>> leftover shims in a safe place and now I can not find them.  I have looked
>> in
>> all of the safe places that I can think of, but to no avail.  Joe(B)
>>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Sep 23 12:21:17 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:21:17 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spindle Spacer Shims
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330909230913r5f429458m8d88064d644993b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090923.102519.26423.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com>
	<E53A59C6AABB4C1A8DA54D187DC19192@Edscomputer>
	<d9f7bd330909230913r5f429458m8d88064d644993b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ABA671D.4060601@bradakis.com>

robert bownes wrote:
> Naw. they will magically appear a day after you buy new ones.
>
>   
I remember years ago cleaning up, threw out this one GT6 part,  Of
course the next weekend I had a broken GT6 and was out scrounging
the junkyards, ending up buying one in slightly worse condition than
the one I tossed, and paid $25 for the privilege.  Sigh.


mjb.


From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Wed Sep 23 14:02:45 2009
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:02:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Not TR but interesting if you like all LBC
Message-ID: <20090923200245.9XBTG.67449.root@cdptpa-web23-z02>

Not TR but a really significant factory Sebring AH Sprite for sale on Ebay. Currently at $185K with over 50 bids. Item # 300348776161.

Bob


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Sep 23 14:32:52 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:32:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] ANYONE GOING TO SCCA RUNOFFS?
Message-ID: <8CC0AA428B8599B-7BFC-18154@webmail-d050.sysops.aol.com>

FOT;



I have an opportunity to go to RUNOFFS. Anyone going to be there?



Contact me if you wish.



Joe Alexander


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Sep 23 16:19:38 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:19:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO BUILDS
Message-ID: <8CC0AB3131E4D29-3838-56F6@webmail-d037.sysops.aol.com>

FOT,



It appears that the last of the AMBRO body kits are leaving their high rack storage.



In the unlikely event you are bent on building one, let me know.



Building one is not for everyone. However,it sure feels good when it can travel from MASON CITY TO MINNEAPOLIS.?



If, however, there is interest, it might influence a decision to produce one, two, or three kits.



No commitment is needed, just interest.



Thanks!? 



Joe A


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Wed Sep 23 22:22:32 2009
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:22:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] tws part 2
Message-ID: <000001ca3cce$a8e240d0$6401a8c0@blake1>

Part 2
 
New head gasket installed, I had an absolute blast following Bob &
Andrew around Sunday morning (pic below).  I had a strange noise coming
from the rear end one lap after the picture was taken. At the end of the
back straight I pitched it hard into turn 7 and it sounded like the
drive shaft had let go and was bouncing around.  I pulled in to check
things out.  When I drained the diff fluid, it was pretty shinny but non
metallic.  This is a welded diff so I am not too concerned about fine
brass bits in the diff.  Should I be?
 
Dad, Don Couch, and all the other Kramers were watching at the Carousel
as Bob, I, and Andrew came around the Carousel nose to tail.  I think
this was the point at which Dad found his confidence.  Watching Bob
pitch his car around the track let him see what the car could do.  For
the rest of Sunday, Dad was swapping positions with a 914.  At the end
of his sessions he would come in with a very big grin.  I know he is
hooked now.
 
I filled the diff in the 3 and ran again in the afternoon with group 7.
The noise reappeared after lap 3, I thought about coming in again but
decided to just back off a bit and keep driving.  The noise started to
die down a bit towards the end of the race.  Not sure what is going on
with this rear end.  This is the second fresh rear end in so many races.
I'll pull the cover before too long to check things out, again.
 
 
 
Links below to various picture from the weekend.  I'll send out another
link for the best picture of the weekend when Don gets us his photos.
Don??
 
This Dad, Bob Blake, learning the Carousel
http://cafephoto.smugmug.com/CVAR-TWS-9-200/Group-5/Sun-AM2/9709628_XabU
q/1/656590819_t4fof/Medium
 
This is Bob Kramer, AKA spares, borrowing Dad's car for the Sunday am
Group 7 race showing Andrew and I the line.  
 
http://cafephoto.smugmug.com/CVAR-TWS-9-200/Group-7/Sun-AM1/9709692_vJrU
u/6/656627903_AtRU5/Small
 
 
Kramer really does have an amazing amount of knowledge and spares.
Along with the head gasket that he loaned me (I don't plan to give that
one back Bob) I asked for a spare rocker arm adjusting screw/nut and
push rod.  I had a nut back off which resulted in a stripped screw and
mushroomed pushrod.  Bob hands me a complete ready to bolt on rocker set
and a set of 8 push rods, take your pick.  Awesome.  Once again, I would
not have made it through the weekend without him.
 
Thanks for all the help, especially Dad and Bob.  You guys rock.
 
Larry,
 
LOVE THE CAM.  
 
Greg


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Wed Sep 23 22:22:32 2009
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:22:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW:  TWS Weekend
Message-ID: <000501ca3cce$aa2ff680$6401a8c0@blake1>

Part 1 

It was good to see the Missouri crowd again, and for the record Dad, it
was Walt who got the oil line on your car, not me.  All I did is point
out the massive amounts of fluid being deposited on grid.

Did you guys fix the bug eye yet?

For the rest of the FOT crowd;

I showed up on Friday morning to help Dad get going for the driver's
school and to take some break in laps on the new motor.  As Dad pulled
to grid for the first time, I noticed a bit of fluid coming from the
engine bay.  I opened the hood to find water leaking out of the bottom
radiator hose and oil was leaking from one of the many fittings around
the takeoff plate (so we thought).  I talked to Dad's instructor who
said, he can miss this run but you better hustle and get him ready for
the second run or he is done.  So we pulled it back to the paddock to
look things over.  After closer inspection, one of the oil lines had a
hole.  These are the BSP fitting hoses so I had no spares with me.  We
put Dad in my 3 for the Friday sessions.  He was more than a bit
apprehensive about breaking in my new motor, his instructor told him
that if anything let go, I was to blame not him.  Bob brought a spare
BSP hose on Friday evening and we got Dad's 4 up and running for the
rest of the weekend.

On Saturday with Dad in his own car I could tell he was having more fun,
but something was still missing.  I was not sure what he needed, but he
just did not seem to be settling in.

Andrew was struggling with a bad clutch all day in the Blue TR4.  Dad
decided for Sunday, Bob Kramer should borrow his car so Andrew could get
on track with Bob's Red TR4a.  This was a great idea all around.  I
decided I would run Group 7 with the Kramers if I got my head gasket
fixed Saturday night.


From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Wed Sep 23 21:32:13 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:32:13 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TWS Weekend
Message-ID: <d44.541f4470.37ec423d@aol.com>

Greg it was great to send the weekend with you guys.  We pulled the  motor 
& tranny of the Bugeye yesterday and it was basically a total  loss.  The 
clutch is shot, the tranny is shot, the engine is shot.   The cam may be OK 
not sure on the block or head yet.  It appears that the #  4 rod bearing let 
go which caused a chain reaction of destruction.  The  crank started to fail 
which caused the tranny & clutch to wobble, well you  get the picture.  I 
think that is why they call it racing.  Sure glad  it didn't let go on the 
track at speed.
 
Cheers and hope to see you at Hallett or perhaps I can make it back to TWS  
in November.
 
Gary
63 TR 4 #69


From ofbracing at nefcom.net  Thu Sep 24 19:21:31 2009
From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (ofbracing)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:21:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] No TR, new healey
Message-ID: <75DBDE61BE8842F384FFADA6B877645E@Dell5100Laptop>

>From the Healey list, announcing plans for the new Healey 3000...


"Nanjing Automobile Corp, which thinks it bought the rights to the
Austin-Healey name but probably didn't, announced today it is partnering
with "The Scooter Store" to revive the classic British sports car.  

Company president Dong Mi Han, affectionately known around the company
as DMH", stated, "Given the demographics of former Healey owners, we are
excited to bring back this rememberance of their youth so they can enjoy
"motoring" in their Golden Years."  

In addition to the base model, Nanjing plans to release a limited
edition "LeMans" edition with two-tone paint, wire wheels, and an
uprated battery with louvered cover.  A sound generator will recreate
the distinctive Healey sound.  Price has yet to be announced, but should
be "At little or no cost to you."


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 24 21:18:38 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:18:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Autobahn?
In-Reply-To: <cf9.62e522bb.37eb913a@aol.com>
References: <cf9.62e522bb.37eb913a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <283158.87090.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'll be there racing the TR4.

Dennis DeLap



> FOT:
> 
> Who is planning
to be at VSCDA's Autobahn event; October 9 - 11?
> 

I am registered to run
the Thunder Bolt.  Bob Wismer has to pass on the 
VSCDA Autobahn event because
his wife invited family guests to Moline for that 
week end.  I suggested they
all come to Joliet for the week end.  But his 
wife wasn't buying into that
agenda.

Bill Dentinger
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 11:11:00 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:11:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
Message-ID: <673993c50909251011w4f8158ar81972cd2e8f996c2@mail.gmail.com>

Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two very quick
Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can work the
draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.

You can watch the live video feed with commentary at www.speedcasttv.com

The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color commentary.

Bob


From triosan at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 13:50:04 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:50:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
In-Reply-To: <673993c50909251011w4f8158ar81972cd2e8f996c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <673993c50909251011w4f8158ar81972cd2e8f996c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909251250o109555b7k4b5556941a00ba9d@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the link.  Gret race going on now also --really good PC video!

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two very quick
> Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can work the
> draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.
>
> You can watch the live video feed with commentary at www.speedcasttv.com
>
> The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color commentary.
>
> Bob
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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From bownes at seiri.com  Fri Sep 25 14:41:36 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:41:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0909251250o109555b7k4b5556941a00ba9d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <673993c50909251011w4f8158ar81972cd2e8f996c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<8cbd782d0909251250o109555b7k4b5556941a00ba9d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330909251341x7da555d5r32919fa62a8e47ff@mail.gmail.com>

What a first lap!


On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Chuck Arnold <triosan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the link.  Gret race going on now also --really good PC video!
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two very
> quick
> > Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can work the
> > draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.
> >
> > You can watch the live video feed with commentary at www.speedcasttv.com
> >
> > The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color commentary.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >
> > http://www.fot-racing.com
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>
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 25 14:56:18 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:56:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330909251341x7da555d5r32919fa62a8e47ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <384162.16879.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Anyone able to say what the results were?  Inquiring minds want to know.

--- On Fri, 9/25/09, robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com> wrote:


From: robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
To: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 3:41 PM


What a first lap!


On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Chuck Arnold <triosan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the link.  Gret race going on now also --really good PC video!
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two very
> quick
> > Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can work the
> > draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.
> >
> > You can watch the live video feed with commentary at www.speedcasttv.com
> >
> > The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color commentary.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >
> > http://www.fot-racing.com
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>
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 15:00:38 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:00:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
In-Reply-To: <384162.16879.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <d9f7bd330909251341x7da555d5r32919fa62a8e47ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<384162.16879.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <673993c50909251400u1ffef434kf09d7b08afcd4cc8@mail.gmail.com>

AMAZING race so far. I was/am rooting for Ruck, but the first 8-9 laps or so
have been incredible.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Anyone able to say what the results were?  Inquiring minds want to know.
>
> --- On Fri, 9/25/09, robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
> To: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 3:41 PM
>
>
> What a first lap!
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Chuck Arnold <triosan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the link.  Gret race going on now also --really good PC video!
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two very
> > quick
> > > Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can work
> the
> > > draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.
> > >
> > > You can watch the live video feed with commentary at
> www.speedcasttv.com
> > >
> > > The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color commentary.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > >
> > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > >
> > > http://www.fot-racing.com
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From bownes at seiri.com  Fri Sep 25 15:07:14 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:07:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
In-Reply-To: <673993c50909251400u1ffef434kf09d7b08afcd4cc8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f7bd330909251341x7da555d5r32919fa62a8e47ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<384162.16879.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<673993c50909251400u1ffef434kf09d7b08afcd4cc8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330909251407i459443eajf07eabcec2510968@mail.gmail.com>

What a battle for 2nd/3rd! 0.063 between 'em.



On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com> wrote:

> AMAZING race so far. I was/am rooting for Ruck, but the first 8-9 laps or
> so have been incredible.
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Anyone able to say what the results were?  Inquiring minds want to know.
>>
>> --- On Fri, 9/25/09, robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
>> To: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>
>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>> Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 3:41 PM
>>
>>
>> What a first lap!
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Chuck Arnold <triosan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks for the link.  Gret race going on now also --really good PC
>> video!
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two very
>> > quick
>> > > Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can work
>> the
>> > > draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.
>> > >
>> > > You can watch the live video feed with commentary at
>> www.speedcasttv.com
>> > >
>> > > The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color
>> commentary.
>> > >
>> > > Bob
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > >
>> > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> > >
>> > > http://www.fot-racing.com
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From triosan at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 15:09:32 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:09:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
In-Reply-To: <384162.16879.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <d9f7bd330909251341x7da555d5r32919fa62a8e47ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<384162.16879.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909251409n7f952134sebcfd75641d521f1@mail.gmail.com>

Sargis was in lead on lap one.  Three cars abreast with room for two, guy
gets hit, comes sidways and wipes out Sargis.  An Acura won.  Great battle
for second between super 7 and miata--6 100's second for Miata.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Anyone able to say what the results were?  Inquiring minds want to know.
>
> --- On *Fri, 9/25/09, robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
> To: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 3:41 PM
>
> What a first lap!
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Chuck Arnold <triosan at gmail.com<http://us.mc576.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=triosan at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the link.  Gret race going on now also --really good PC video!
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com<http://us.mc576.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=adams910 at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> > > Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two very
> > quick
> > > Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can work
> the
> > > draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.
> > >
> > > You can watch the live video feed with commentary at
> www.speedcasttv.com
> > >
> > > The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color commentary.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > >
> > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > >
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From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Sep 25 19:27:54 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:27:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: CSRG CHARITY CHALLENGE VINTAGE RACES THIS WEEKEND
Message-ID: <6425C0B8A65E434486D8FA736440E4ED@Bud>

----- Original Message -----
From: RACER BUD
To: TTSCC at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:26 PM
Subject: CSRG CHARITY CHALLENGE VINTAGE RACES THIS WEEKEND


Hi Gang
This weekend is the CSRG CHARITY CHALLENGE Vintage Races at Infineon.....We
have 190+ entries this year...Featured marque is CAN-AM...including  a Mark
Donohue Car..We have a Pre-War Group, a Formula Junior Group,a Formula Ford/
Formula B Group,a USRRC group, a Classic GT production car group..and a
historic(classic) Gt & modified group .in which Chuck Hart in His Devin
Triumph, and Racer Bud in his Spitfire will be 'holding off the charges' of 42
competitors of every marque you can imagine...
....And...an exciting opportunity....Spectators can buy 'Hot Laps' in race
Cars..Including Can-Am...Shelby Mustangs...etc...ALL of the proceeds go to
Charity.......
There are Full racing Schedules both days   Saturday is...qualifying in the
morning(for Sat afternoon races)...saturday afternoon races are qualifying
races for sunday's Feauture races....sunday morning is warm up for all
classes...sunday afternoon...Feature races for all groups..
admission is TWENTY BUCKOS for a full weekend pass, which includes complete
paddock access for spectators....The FULL price of your ticket goes to the
SPEEDWAY CHILDRENS CHARITIES....
Hope to see you there Friends!...If you're at the races..Please stop by....Our
Pit Is Your Home(just thought that one up)..(:>)
Racer Bud...Spitfire #21...


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Fri Sep 25 19:55:29 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:55:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0909251409n7f952134sebcfd75641d521f1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f7bd330909251341x7da555d5r32919fa62a8e47ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<384162.16879.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<8cbd782d0909251409n7f952134sebcfd75641d521f1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C451FAC5-5F50-4458-A115-FD2D80CC989F@comcast.net>

Anybody figure out how to view this on a Mac?

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 25, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Chuck Arnold <triosan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sargis was in lead on lap one.  Three cars abreast with room for  
> two, guy
> gets hit, comes sidways and wipes out Sargis.  An Acura won.  Great  
> battle
> for second between super 7 and miata--6 100's second for Miata.
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Ernest Husmann  
> <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Anyone able to say what the results were?  Inquiring minds want to  
>> know.
>>
>> --- On *Fri, 9/25/09, robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video  
>> feed
>> To: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>
>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>> Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 3:41 PM
>>
>> What a first lap!
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Chuck Arnold <triosan at gmail.com<http://us.mc576.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=triosan at gmail.com 
>> >>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the link.  Gret race going on now also --really good PC  
>>> video!
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com<http://us.mc576.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=adams910 at gmail.com 
>>> >>
>> wrote:
>>>> Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two  
>>>> very
>>> quick
>>>> Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can  
>>>> work
>> the
>>>> draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.
>>>>
>>>> You can watch the live video feed with commentary at
>> www.speedcasttv.com
>>>>
>>>> The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color  
>>>> commentary.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>>
>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 26 07:51:26 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:51:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
In-Reply-To: <C451FAC5-5F50-4458-A115-FD2D80CC989F@comcast.net>
References: <d9f7bd330909251341x7da555d5r32919fa62a8e47ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<384162.16879.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<8cbd782d0909251409n7f952134sebcfd75641d521f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<C451FAC5-5F50-4458-A115-FD2D80CC989F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <673993c50909260651l1a769834gc8f8a2f0feb9f244@mail.gmail.com>

Scott,

Someone posted that this
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/wmcomponents.mspxallowed
them to view it.


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Sep 26 14:33:24 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:33:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] No TR content, cool videos
Message-ID: <20090926203345.5F15C187667@autox.team.net>

Slow mo camera inside a combustion chamber.  Cool.
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/10/micro_camera_shows_the_working/

Dale Earnhart Jr. flies with the Blue Angels ("I want to join the Navy")
http://www.flixxy.com/blue-angels-aerobatics-jet-airplane.htm

- Tony Drews


From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com  Sat Sep 26 17:15:47 2009
From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:15:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] fot'r for thought
Message-ID: <4ABEA0A3.2010804@twcny.rr.com>

So there I was driving home the long way home from work (~40 miles each 
way) through the back hills of Upstate NY in my old Mustang that was the 
victim of my first mid life crisis. This is a great running car that I 
drive to Watkins fun track days and SCCA autocrosses just for grins -  
it always runs. So I go for third gear moseying across the valley on a 
back country road when BANG the clutch slams to the floor. Now; I'm not 
saying this happened in the same town or even on the same street; but 
this happens RIGHT smack in front of Russ Moore's house (spit racer one 
of you guys told me about and I finally met through the FOT).

What are the odds... He was home and a few tie wraps later and a quick 
garage tour - project update and off I go. WHAT are the odds...

Part of me was glad it happened in front of his house (Chicken) but 
another part of me wonders if it happened because I was in front of his 
house (Egg).

Best,

Mark


From cwnfot at gmail.com  Sat Sep 26 20:36:49 2009
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 22:36:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
In-Reply-To: <673993c50909260651l1a769834gc8f8a2f0feb9f244@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f7bd330909251341x7da555d5r32919fa62a8e47ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<384162.16879.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<8cbd782d0909251409n7f952134sebcfd75641d521f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<C451FAC5-5F50-4458-A115-FD2D80CC989F@comcast.net>
	<673993c50909260651l1a769834gc8f8a2f0feb9f244@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000301ca3f1b$5df62600$19e27200$@com>

Results at
http://www.scca.com/eventresults.aspx?event=13506&hub=1 

Also, if you have the latest Realplayer installed you can record the
broadcast, up to 4 hours, and save it on your hard drive as a .rm file for
later play or burn a CD (as I did).

I missed the FP race however, darn.

Clark


From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Sep 26 20:55:21 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:55:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: FREE BOTTLED WATER at THE GANG'S PIT AREA SUNDAY.INFINEON
Message-ID: <E24450876C344D39B4443BED3EEF6826@Bud>

Hi Gang.....We are going to have bottled water at the Gang's pit area
Sunday...all FREE(as long as it lasts).......please come by and help
yourselves...It's important ...Especially for Children to stay hydrated.....If
We feel Thirsty...WE HAVE ALREADY GONE TOO LONG WITHOUT WATER....
Racer Bud
..


From adams910 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 26 23:11:26 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 01:11:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
In-Reply-To: <000301ca3f1b$5df62600$19e27200$@com>
References: <d9f7bd330909251341x7da555d5r32919fa62a8e47ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<384162.16879.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<8cbd782d0909251409n7f952134sebcfd75641d521f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<C451FAC5-5F50-4458-A115-FD2D80CC989F@comcast.net>
	<673993c50909260651l1a769834gc8f8a2f0feb9f244@mail.gmail.com>
	<000301ca3f1b$5df62600$19e27200$@com>
Message-ID: <673993c50909262211k2648a140nec08e090ffa50bae@mail.gmail.com>

It was posted that they are going to edit and add in-car video before
posting them in about a weeks time. T2, FP, FV, and the last 1/3 of SM are
the races to watch so far.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Clark W. Nicholls <cwnfot at gmail.com>wrote:

> Results at
> http://www.scca.com/eventresults.aspx?event=13506&hub=1
>
> Also, if you have the latest Realplayer installed you can record the
> broadcast, up to 4 hours, and save it on your hard drive as a .rm file for
> later play or burn a CD (as I did).
>
> I missed the FP race however, darn.
>
> Clark


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Sep 27 06:53:17 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:53:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
In-Reply-To: <673993c50909251011w4f8158ar81972cd2e8f996c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <673993c50909251011w4f8158ar81972cd2e8f996c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CC0D889D6EEA69-4D5C-8F6A@webmail-d064.sysops.aol.com>

i am at the runnoffs and just got a signal and will try to use live feed.



re: steve sargis???? bummer!



joe a








-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2009 12:11 pm
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed



Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two very quick
Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can work the
draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.

You can watch the live video feed with commentary at www.speedcasttv.com

The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color commentary.

Bob
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Sep 27 07:41:04 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:41:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] fot'r for thought
In-Reply-To: <4ABEA0A3.2010804@twcny.rr.com>
References: <4ABEA0A3.2010804@twcny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8CC0D8F4AE8F290-988-13627@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com>

TWILIGHT ZONE

home from work (~40 miles each way) through the back hills of Upstate NY in my old Mustang that was the victim of my first mid life crisis. This is a great running car that I drive to Watkins fun track days and SCCA autocrosses just for grins - it always runs. So I go for third gear moseying across the valley on a back country road when BANG the clutch slams to the floor. Now; I'm not saying this happened in the same town or even on the same street; but this happens RIGHT smack in front of Russ Moore's house (spit racer one of you guys told me about and I finally met through the FOT).?
?
What are the odds... He was home and a few tie wraps later and a quick garage tour - project update and off I go. WHAT are the odds...?
?
Part of me was glad it happened in front of his house (Chicken) but another part of me wonders if it happened because I was in front of his house (Egg).?
?
Best,?
?
Mark?



-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Eginton <markconsultation at twcny.rr.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Sep 26, 2009 6:15 pm
Subject: [Fot] fot'r for thought


So there I was driving home the long way home from work (~40 miles each way) through the back hills of Upstate NY in my old Mustang that was the victim of my first mid life crisis. This is a great running car that I drive to Watkins fun track days and SCCA autocrosses just for grins - it always runs. So I go for third gear moseying across the valley on a back country road when BANG the clutch slams to the floor. Now; I'm not saying this happened in the same town or even on the same street; but this happens RIGHT smack in front of Russ Moore's house (spit racer one of you guys told me about and I finally met through the FOT).?
?
What are the odds... He was home and a few tie wraps later and a quick garage tour - project update and off I go. WHAT are the odds...?
?
Part of me was glad it happened in front of his house (Chicken) but another part of me wonders if it happened because I was in front of his house (Egg).?
?
Best,?
?
Mark?
?
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Sep 27 08:46:26 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:46:26 EDT
Subject: [Fot] VARA does Vegas or VIVA Las VARA?
Message-ID: <be8.5c653363.37f0d4c2@aol.com>

Amici,
 
Who's coming to the Vegas race in a couple weeks?  Heard any rumors on  the 
expected turnout?
 
When arriving?  Should we try for the usual spots?
 
Steve


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Sep 27 09:36:44 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:36:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] paging john nikas
Message-ID: <8CC0D9F73BFE678-C28-13FC5@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com>

i am trying to raise john nikas....thanks!



joe a


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Sep 27 09:40:26 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:40:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] F500snowmobiles on wheels 2:24.9 at Road America HALKIAS on
 board at 4:30PM
Message-ID: <8CC0D9FF7E3C99E-C28-14039@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com>



From dave at microworks.net  Sun Sep 27 10:11:19 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:11:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] F500snowmobiles on wheels 2:24.9 at Road America HALKIAS
 on board at 4:30PM
In-Reply-To: <8CC0D9FF7E3C99E-C28-14039@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC0D9FF7E3C99E-C28-14039@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090927161706.85C1D18766A@autox.team.net>

These cars are a "hoot" to drive.  I wish I had been able to watch 
it.  I understand that these races might be "On Demand" later.

At 08:40 AM 9/27/2009, you wrote:


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From adams910 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 27 16:09:21 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:09:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias wins EP in the rain, laps up to 8th place
Message-ID: <673993c50909271509l75e788ck6a3aacc09c2f1c6f@mail.gmail.com>

Congrats Sam!

-Bob Adams


From adams910 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 27 16:10:10 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias wins EP in the rain, laps up to 8th place
In-Reply-To: <673993c50909271509l75e788ck6a3aacc09c2f1c6f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <673993c50909271509l75e788ck6a3aacc09c2f1c6f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <673993c50909271510i53d4e249s61c8ca874cecb067@mail.gmail.com>

Correction: 10th place

On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Congrats Sam!
>
> -Bob Adams


From fpspitfire at comcast.net  Sun Sep 27 16:12:36 2009
From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:12:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race
Message-ID: <1968121245.4366411254089556744.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

FOT member and TR6 Driver Sam Halkias just won the E-Prod Run-Offs race! 



Who'd of thought the TR6 was the car of choice in the rain. 



Congrats Sam! 



aaron 

#87 HP Spitfire 1500 


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Sun Sep 27 16:14:37 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:14:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>

FLASH


Sam Halkias just won E Production at the SCCA Runoffs at Road America.

Taking the lead during lap 4, Sam walked off to a significant win in the 
rain-shortened race.

Congratualtions, Sam. You are awesome!

The race was broadcast live on the internet on speedcasttv.com

Speedcast will have the race in its entirety available for on-demand 
viewing in a couple of weeks.

Folks, this was an awesome race and it is SO KOOL that Sam finally got the 
top spot on the podium.

Personally, I cannot tell you how psyched I am to report this.

A-W-E-S-O-M-E

Triumph RULES!!!

rml
Bob Lang
New England Triumphs


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Sep 27 16:29:04 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:29:04 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias wins EP in the rain, laps up to 8th place
Message-ID: <cde.54536c0c.37f14130@aol.com>

Good news indeed!  Congratulations Sam!
 
It is a shame about Sargis...
 
 
In a message dated 9/27/2009 3:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
adams910 at gmail.com writes:

Correction: 10th place

On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Bob  Adams <adams910 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Congrats  Sam!
>
> -Bob  Adams
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From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net  Sun Sep 27 16:58:04 2009
From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (CHIP COLLINGWOOD)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:58:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FW: Runoffs
Message-ID: <380-22009902722584912@earthlink.net>

Chip Collingwood
69 TR6 Eprod
71 2dr 510 Vintage 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: CHIP COLLINGWOOD 
To: Sam Halkias
Sent: 9/27/2009 6:56:41 PM 
Subject: Runoffs


Sam...

WOW!!!
what a drive...watched all on speedcast tv...wish I could be there getting wet and partying w/ you

Congratulations...you deserve it

Give me a call when you get the time 


Chip Collingwood
69 TR6 Eprod
71 2dr 510 Vintage 


From spyderweb at uwalumni.com  Sun Sep 27 17:05:40 2009
From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (Jim Hill)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:05:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>

Bob Lang wrote:

> FLASH
> Sam Halkias just won E Production at the SCCA Runoffs at Road America.

> Triumph Rules!

Indeed. A forty-year old Triumph wins the National Run-Off in
E-Production?!?

When I went to my firsst SCCA race in 1958, I sure don't recall any races
being won by cars built in 1918   :-)

Congratulations to Sam & the TR6,

Jim Hill


From fasttrs at mindspring.com  Sun Sep 27 17:36:24 2009
From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:36:24 -0600
Subject: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race
In-Reply-To: <1968121245.4366411254089556744.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <E1Ms3Hs-0001cm-Bn@elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Yeah, he brought a knife to a gun fight but they underestimated the skill
behind the knife! Congratulations Big Sam you're my Hero!

Mike
#28 EP TR6
 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of fpspitfire at comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:13 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race

FOT member and TR6 Driver Sam Halkias just won the E-Prod Run-Offs race! 



Who'd of thought the TR6 was the car of choice in the rain. 



Congrats Sam! 



aaron 

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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sun Sep 27 18:13:43 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:13:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
	<3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <876CF187-9365-4878-9A81-EC417FDDFF65@earthlink.net>

Well put.
Congrats Sam!!

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Sep 27, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Jim Hill wrote:

> Bob Lang wrote:
>
>> FLASH
>> Sam Halkias just won E Production at the SCCA Runoffs at Road  
>> America.
>
>> Triumph Rules!
>
> Indeed. A forty-year old Triumph wins the National Run-Off in
> E-Production?!?
>
> When I went to my firsst SCCA race in 1958, I sure don't recall any  
> races
> being won by cars built in 1918   :-)
>
> Congratulations to Sam & the TR6,
>
> Jim Hill
>
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From jaxonracing at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 27 18:36:48 2009
From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (jaxonracing at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 00:36:48 +0000
Subject: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race
Message-ID: <mailman.1.1638251553.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

Ha... In sams interview he said he brought a gun to a knife fight.... Which I thought was the quote in reverse but I think he knew all along he was gonna be kicking some ....on his way to the championship... What a weekend... Congratulations to sam for a great drive... It was unbelievable to watch 
------Original Message------
From: Mike Munson
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: fpspitfire at comcast.net
To: fot at autox.team.net
To: 'Sam Halkias'
Subject: Re: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race
Sent: Sep 27, 2009 7:36 PM

Yeah, he brought a knife to a gun fight but they underestimated the skill
behind the knife! Congratulations Big Sam you're my Hero!

Mike
#28 EP TR6
 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of fpspitfire at comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:13 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race

FOT member and TR6 Driver Sam Halkias just won the E-Prod Run-Offs race! 



Who'd of thought the TR6 was the car of choice in the rain. 



Congrats Sam! 



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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Sep 27 19:09:03 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:09:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu><3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
	<876CF187-9365-4878-9A81-EC417FDDFF65@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BC3AC94B38894EE39BDAFC1A8F04D626@Bud>

FANTASTIC!...They just can't keep em' down!
Wooohoo!
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
To: "Jim Hill" <spyderweb at uwalumni.com>
Cc: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS


> Well put.
> Congrats Sam!!
> 
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
> On Sep 27, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Jim Hill wrote:
> 
>> Bob Lang wrote:
>>
>>> FLASH
>>> Sam Halkias just won E Production at the SCCA Runoffs at Road  
>>> America.
>>
>>> Triumph Rules!
>>
>> Indeed. A forty-year old Triumph wins the National Run-Off in
>> E-Production?!?
>>
>> When I went to my firsst SCCA race in 1958, I sure don't recall any  
>> races
>> being won by cars built in 1918   :-)
>>
>> Congratulations to Sam & the TR6,
>>
>> Jim Hill
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Sep 27 19:38:32 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:38:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race
References: <20090928012259.288A4187895@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <7150086E23694DFCBDB3D93F720FEAD4@Bud>

This is Wonderful Wonderful News!..Good Job Sam...and Thanks for what you 
have done...
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
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<fpspitfire at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>; "'SamHalkias'" 
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Subject: Re: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race


> Ha... In sams interview he said he brought a gun to a knife fight.... 
> Which I thought was the quote in reverse but I think he knew all along he 
> was gonna be kicking some ....on his way to the championship... What a 
> weekend... Congratulations to sam for a great drive... It was unbelievable 
> to watch
> ------Original Message------
> From: Mike Munson
> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> To: fpspitfire at comcast.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> To: 'Sam Halkias'
> Subject: Re: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race
> Sent: Sep 27, 2009 7:36 PM
>
> Yeah, he brought a knife to a gun fight but they underestimated the skill
> behind the knife! Congratulations Big Sam you're my Hero!
>
> Mike
> #28 EP TR6
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of fpspitfire at comcast.net
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:13 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race
>
> FOT member and TR6 Driver Sam Halkias just won the E-Prod Run-Offs race!
>
>
>
> Who'd of thought the TR6 was the car of choice in the rain.
>
>
>
> Congrats Sam!
>
>
>
> aaron
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From rjl at gt-classics.com  Sun Sep 27 20:48:12 2009
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:48:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race
In-Reply-To: <E1Ms3Hs-0001cm-Bn@elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Congratulations Sam!  That's seriously cool!

John

At 07:36 PM 9/27/2009, Mike Munson wrote:
>Yeah, he brought a knife to a gun fight but they underestimated the skill
>behind the knife! Congratulations Big Sam you're my Hero!
>
>Mike
>#28 EP TR6
>
>
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>Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:13 PM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race
>
>FOT member and TR6 Driver Sam Halkias just won the E-Prod Run-Offs race!
>
>
>
>Who'd of thought the TR6 was the car of choice in the rain.
>
>
>
>Congrats Sam!
>
>
>
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>
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From mlbruner53 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 28 07:49:15 2009
From: mlbruner53 at yahoo.com (Michael Bruner)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 06:49:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] VARA does Vegas or VIVA Las VARA?
In-Reply-To: <be8.5c653363.37f0d4c2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <910339.60234.qm@web54108.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I'll be there Friday Morning ish, not running Friday just beating the
traffic.

Mike Bruner
TR4A - #612
Blacksmith Racing

--- On Sun, 9/27/09, Gt6steve at aol.com <Gt6steve at aol.com> wrote:


From: Gt6steve at aol.com <Gt6steve at aol.com>
Subject: [Fot] VARA does Vegas or VIVA Las VARA?
To: FOT at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 7:46 AM


Amici,

Who's coming to the Vegas race in a couple weeks?  Heard any rumors on  the
expected turnout?

When arriving?  Should we try for the usual spots?

Steve
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From john at race-dogs.com  Mon Sep 28 10:16:09 2009
From: john at race-dogs.com (John W)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:16:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VARA does Vegas or VIVA Las VARA?
References: <910339.60234.qm@web54108.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000301ca4056$fd830df0$800101df@jawsxp>

We'll be there for Half Day test Friday-

JW

John W.
Spitfire #892 DP
240z CP
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <FOT at autox.team.net>; <Gt6steve at aol.com>
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] VARA does Vegas or VIVA Las VARA?


> I'll be there Friday Morning ish, not running Friday just beating the
> traffic.
>
> Mike Bruner
> TR4A - #612
> Blacksmith Racing
>
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> From: Gt6steve at aol.com <Gt6steve at aol.com>
> Subject: [Fot] VARA does Vegas or VIVA Las VARA?
> To: FOT at autox.team.net
> Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 7:46 AM
>
>
> Amici,
>
> Who's coming to the Vegas race in a couple weeks?  Heard any rumors on 
> the
> expected turnout?
>
> When arriving?  Should we try for the usual spots?
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Sep 28 10:33:47 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:33:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <876CF187-9365-4878-9A81-EC417FDDFF65@earthlink.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu><3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
	<876CF187-9365-4878-9A81-EC417FDDFF65@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8CC0E709639F5C7-18D8-1FCE3@webmail-d068.sysops.aol.com>

Watching Sam Halkias on the podium was worth the trip to ROAD AMERICA, by itself.



If they dont crop it out there is a large FOT decal on the podiun with Sam. I got there before the officials did, and did some rearranging..........



There was some decision making at its best by SAM and his CREW. Attention to detail and never putting a wheel in the wrong place.



I hope Sam will have the time to say a few words to the FOT.



Hot wheels just came out with a 'competition' TR6. It should have been done in white with an '83'.



Joe A


-----Original Message-----
From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
To: Jim Hill <spyderweb at uwalumni.com>
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Sep 27, 2009 7:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS



Well put.?
Congrats Sam!!?
?
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer?
TR4 #314?
Albuquerque NM?
On Sep 27, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Jim Hill wrote:?
?
> Bob Lang wrote:?
>?
>> FLASH?
>> Sam Halkias just won E Production at the SCCA Runoffs at Road >> America.?
>?
>> Triumph Rules!?
>?
> Indeed. A forty-year old Triumph wins the National Run-Off in?
> E-Production?!??
>?
> When I went to my firsst SCCA race in 1958, I sure don't recall any > races?
> being won by cars built in 1918 :-)?
>?
> Congratulations to Sam & the TR6,?
>?
> Jim Hill?
>?
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 28 10:50:10 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:50:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <8CC0E709639F5C7-18D8-1FCE3@webmail-d068.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <29202.28470.qm@web57611.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hey Joe, were you ever in marketing?
 
HInd sight being much better than my normal vision, I'm kicking myself for not
going to Road America yesterday.  To have seen Sam and the #83 take the
checker would have been well worth getting wet.
 
Well done Mr. Halkias and crew!

--- On Mon, 9/28/09, n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:



Watching Sam Halkias on the podium was worth the trip to ROAD AMERICA, by
itself.

If they dont crop it out there is a large FOT decal on the podiun with Sam. I
got there before the officials did, and did some rearranging..........


From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Sep 28 11:08:39 2009
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:08:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <001a01ca405e$53af6eb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>

Sam,

Congrats on the great drive.   You were so smooth and
quick thru turn 3 where i was  watching!
 How great to see a TR win one!

art de armond
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert M. Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>; <6pack at autox.team.net>
Cc: <net at lists/mv.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:14 PM
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS


> FLASH
>
>
> Sam Halkias just won E Production at the SCCA Runoffs at Road America.
>
> Taking the lead during lap 4, Sam walked off to a significant win in the 
> rain-shortened race.
>
> Congratualtions, Sam. You are awesome!
>
> The race was broadcast live on the internet on speedcasttv.com
>
> Speedcast will have the race in its entirety available for on-demand 
> viewing in a couple of weeks.
>
> Folks, this was an awesome race and it is SO KOOL that Sam finally got the 
> top spot on the podium.
>
> Personally, I cannot tell you how psyched I am to report this.
>
> A-W-E-S-O-M-E
>
> Triumph RULES!!!
>
> rml
> Bob Lang
> New England Triumphs
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 28 13:01:33 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:01:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <001a01ca405e$53af6eb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
	<001a01ca405e$53af6eb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <673993c50909281201n29f9b9ddm4bc0e28a4d08e45c@mail.gmail.com>

Here are the official results..

http://scca.com/documents/resultfiles/13506_EP_result_final.pdf


From atr6racer at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 28 14:24:48 2009
From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:24:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <8CC0E709639F5C7-18D8-1FCE3@webmail-d068.sysops.aol.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu><3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
	<876CF187-9365-4878-9A81-EC417FDDFF65@earthlink.net> 
Message-ID: <SNT119-W2894600B2536367905347FF9D60@phx.gbl>

Joe and everyone,



    I just got home after a long post race teardown and a chat with the
Stewards for what turned out to be nothing. I left the track at 9:40 CT last
night, drove 4 hours to somewhere in Indiana and took a nap in my buddy's
motorhome, got up around 9Am and made the balance of the trip back to
Columbus. It just has not sunk in yet. It does feel good! And I did mean to
say I brought a "Gun" to a "Knife" fight. it was a coin flip for choice of
tires, we went with rains with the help of Jim Stouffer with a laptop computer
with live radar, Jack Madison, Gary Martz, Matthew Miller and Mat Carson who
did the tire change on the false grid just before we rolled off for the pace
lap. Without Friends, this sport would be boring! Thanks all!



Sam

> To: Lunkercars at earthlink.net; spyderweb at uwalumni.com
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:33:47 -0400
> From: n197tr4 at cs.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
>
> Watching Sam Halkias on the podium was worth the trip to ROAD AMERICA, by
itself.
>
>
>
> If they dont crop it out there is a large FOT decal on the podiun with Sam.
I got there before the officials did, and did some rearranging..........
>
>
>
> There was some decision making at its best by SAM and his CREW. Attention to
detail and never putting a wheel in the wrong place.
>
>
>
> I hope Sam will have the time to say a few words to the FOT.
>
>
>
> Hot wheels just came out with a 'competition' TR6. It should have been done
in white with an '83'.
>
>
>
> Joe A
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
> To: Jim Hill <spyderweb at uwalumni.com>
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sun, Sep 27, 2009 7:13 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
>
>
>
> Well put.?
> Congrats Sam!!?
> ?
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer?
> TR4 #314?
> Albuquerque NM?
> On Sep 27, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Jim Hill wrote:?
> ?
> > Bob Lang wrote:?
> >?
> >> FLASH?
> >> Sam Halkias just won E Production at the SCCA Runoffs at Road >>
America.?
> >?
> >> Triumph Rules!?
> >?
> > Indeed. A forty-year old Triumph wins the National Run-Off in?
> > E-Production?!??
> >?
> > When I went to my firsst SCCA race in 1958, I sure don't recall any >
races?
> > being won by cars built in 1918 :-)?
> >?
> > Congratulations to Sam & the TR6,?
> >?
> > Jim Hill?
> >?
> > _______________________________________________?
> >?
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From spyderweb at uwalumni.com  Mon Sep 28 14:37:06 2009
From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (Jim Hill)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:37:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <673993c50909281201n29f9b9ddm4bc0e28a4d08e45c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
	<001a01ca405e$53af6eb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<673993c50909281201n29f9b9ddm4bc0e28a4d08e45c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3afbecf40909281337i791cb9b5j9cb69ee4504ae403@mail.gmail.com>

Unfortunately, the three Spits in F-Prod didn't fare as well this year, with
only Chris Patrick making it past the second lap to finish 16th -- although
the Steve Sargis 1500 Spitfire had started on the pole.

http://scca.com/documents/resultfiles/13506_FP_result_final.pdf

JR Hill


From deanesr at uncw.edu  Mon Sep 28 14:43:17 2009
From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:43:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <SNT119-W2894600B2536367905347FF9D60@phx.gbl>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu><3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E0945178CA63731@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu>

Good Job, we're all proud of you!

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Sam Halkias
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 4:25 PM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; lunkercars at earthlink.net; spyderweb at uwalumni.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS

Joe and everyone,



    I just got home after a long post race teardown and a chat with the
Stewards for what turned out to be nothing. I left the track at 9:40 CT last
night, drove 4 hours to somewhere in Indiana and took a nap in my buddy's
motorhome, got up around 9Am and made the balance of the trip back to
Columbus. It just has not sunk in yet. It does feel good! And I did mean to
say I brought a "Gun" to a "Knife" fight. it was a coin flip for choice of
tires, we went with rains with the help of Jim Stouffer with a laptop
computer
with live radar, Jack Madison, Gary Martz, Matthew Miller and Mat Carson who
did the tire change on the false grid just before we rolled off for the pace
lap. Without Friends, this sport would be boring! Thanks all!



Sam

> To: Lunkercars at earthlink.net; spyderweb at uwalumni.com
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:33:47 -0400
> From: n197tr4 at cs.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
>
> Watching Sam Halkias on the podium was worth the trip to ROAD AMERICA, by
itself.
>
>
>
> If they dont crop it out there is a large FOT decal on the podiun with Sam.
I got there before the officials did, and did some rearranging..........
>
>
>
> There was some decision making at its best by SAM and his CREW. Attention
to
detail and never putting a wheel in the wrong place.
>
>
>
> I hope Sam will have the time to say a few words to the FOT.
>
>
>
> Hot wheels just came out with a 'competition' TR6. It should have been done
in white with an '83'.
>
>
>
> Joe A
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
> To: Jim Hill <spyderweb at uwalumni.com>
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sun, Sep 27, 2009 7:13 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
>
>
>
> Well put.?
> Congrats Sam!!?
> ?
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer?
> TR4 #314?
> Albuquerque NM?
> On Sep 27, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Jim Hill wrote:?
> ?
> > Bob Lang wrote:?
> >?
> >> FLASH?
> >> Sam Halkias just won E Production at the SCCA Runoffs at Road >>
America.?
> >?
> >> Triumph Rules!?
> >?
> > Indeed. A forty-year old Triumph wins the National Run-Off in?
> > E-Production?!??
> >?
> > When I went to my firsst SCCA race in 1958, I sure don't recall any >
races?
> > being won by cars built in 1918 :-)?
> >?
> > Congratulations to Sam & the TR6,?
> >?
> > Jim Hill?
> >?
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Sep 28 15:54:14 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:54:14 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife race - Eifelrennen
In-Reply-To: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E0945178CA63731@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu><3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E0945178CA63731@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu>
Message-ID: <003001ca4086$3ad45630$b07d0290$@com>

A little report from the Eifelrace:

At Thursday all arrived at the trackside. All, that means the CSCC and the
Triumph Competition drivers.
There was a little rain that got less towards evening. The weather forecast
did show sunny weather.
All did pass the technical scruteneering.
I was part of the Red Baron Team around Jo Willams. He and his mechanics
took care for our cars.
The team consisted out of 4 cars and drivers:
Stephan Schamschula - TR6 PI
Mark Richards - TR7 V8 3.9L
K.P. Mutschler / U. Markovac - TR4
Christian Marx - TR4

After rising the big truck tent and having some beer for the night Jo, Mark
and me went into our sleeping bags in the truck for the night. I never had
snoring in stereo but my sleep mates let me share this so I could forget
about sleeping with that much noise.
The next morning took long to come. But the mood of the group was excellent.
Mark was so excited to get finally on the track. 

At Friday morning around 10.00am was the first practice session. We entered
track. After a warming up lap on the GP track the order was "pedal to the
metal" and here we go.
After a 3/4 lap on the GP track we entered the exit to the Nordschleife. Wow
- diving down to the Hatzenbach following the fast sweepers, then the track
opens to the main part and the lots of full throttle on almost straights and
the pleasant to drive corners with jumps and bumps.

Fastest of the Team Red Baron was Mark Richards. He did a great ride in his
TR7 V8. Me was doing okay. Max speed of my car was 129 mph. Mark did a solid
11:20  and me a low 11:30.

At Saturday the practice was at 8:30. Very early. Cold tires, some fog at
some stages, and a little wet through the fogging. So the laptimes went down
compared with the Friday run.
After 3 laps the engine heated up very quickly. The others had no trouble
but were slower than on Friday.
We worked on the cooling system but didn't changed the head gasket. A
failure as been seen on the next day.

Sunday - race day.
We all gridded on the start / finish straight. About 150 cars lined up for
the race.
Mark and me stood side by side. The flags were waved and the field moved for
the information lap, a full lap of 25 km length. During this lap the engine
went hot again and while the start happened I directly drove into the
pitlane and stopped at the team pit. A lot of water was gone, the thermostat
was removed, some other things they tried after I several times came in from
a short GP track lap. So I ended up the race stranded somewhere on the
track.

Mark did a wonderful job. He managed to win the group and class after the
leading Corvette retired.
The other TR4 with K.P. Mutschler / U. Markovac won their class and Stephan
Schamschula won his class.

After all a successful weekend with jolly good fun, some party and price
giving.

I could bet that the CSCC will return next year to have another go.

Cheers
Chris


From dave at microworks.net  Mon Sep 28 16:43:22 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:43:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
Message-ID: <20090928224359.EC2AD187651@autox.team.net>

Nice write-up about the race and a photo of the car in the rain

http://www.racingwire.info/index.php/club-racing/301-scca-club-21st-time-is-a-charm-for-halkias-in-e-production


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon Sep 28 17:16:30 2009
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:16:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <20090928224359.EC2AD187651@autox.team.net>
References: <20090928224359.EC2AD187651@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000801ca4091$b706c430$25144c90$@racer@comcast.net>

Sam's win reminds one of another Triumph racer who waited years to finally
win an SCCA Championship - Hardy Prentice.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of David W. Riddle
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 3:43 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS

Nice write-up about the race and a photo of the car in the rain

http://www.racingwire.info/index.php/club-racing/301-scca-club-21st-time-is-
a-charm-for-halkias-in-e-production
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From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net  Mon Sep 28 19:48:04 2009
From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:48:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] NewsFlash:Sports car wins SCCA EP
Message-ID: <4AC16754.5090305@cyberspeedway.net>

Something strange has happened in a Sports Car Club of America
production car national championship. It seems that a traditional sports
car has won among a field of mostly sedans. Did the earth's axis shift? 
Maybe it's the lack of sunspots.

Greg Lund


From bownes at seiri.com  Mon Sep 28 20:15:49 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:15:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] NewsFlash:Sports car wins SCCA EP
In-Reply-To: <4AC16754.5090305@cyberspeedway.net>
References: <4AC16754.5090305@cyberspeedway.net>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330909281915p15db4665n32cd21702673ada3@mail.gmail.com>

I put it to the wisdom of a great driver choosing a great car.

Sometimes I really miss racing a production car....

Bob
76 TR6
73 TR6
68 GT-6
73 GT-6
98 Mysterian FV :)



On 9/28/09, greg <gtlund at cyberspeedway.net> wrote:
> Something strange has happened in a Sports Car Club of America
> production car national championship. It seems that a traditional sports
> car has won among a field of mostly sedans. Did the earth's axis shift?
> Maybe it's the lack of sunspots.
>
> Greg Lund
>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Sep 28 20:33:17 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:33:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] NewsFlash:Sports car wins SCCA EP
References: <4AC16754.5090305@cyberspeedway.net>
Message-ID: <780486BFF835425B96C1DC224ACB91E3@Bud>

I hope the Earth's axis didn't shift..I live in a Coastal State(:>)
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "greg" <gtlund at cyberspeedway.net>
To: "FOT LIST" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 6:48 PM
Subject: [Fot] NewsFlash:Sports car wins SCCA EP


> Something strange has happened in a Sports Car Club of America
> production car national championship. It seems that a traditional sports
> car has won among a field of mostly sedans. Did the earth's axis shift? 
> Maybe it's the lack of sunspots.
> 
> Greg Lund
> 
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From dave at microworks.net  Mon Sep 28 20:45:34 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:45:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pixs from Portland
Message-ID: <20090929024638.CE4DC18786C@autox.team.net>

I just published the new issue of our Newsletter.  One of our 
members, Jim Bauder, was up in Portland for the races.

During his extended roadtrip in his restored TR-250 he has been 
submitting dispatches and photos that I have been putting in our 
newsletter.  He got some nice photos.  Thought you guys might like to see them.

The new issue is here: http://www.dctra.org/News/Oct2009.pdf

Archive going back to 2003: http://www.dctra.org/?page_id=32


From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Sep 28 21:12:18 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:12:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] IT'S A GREAT LIFE!..Thanks Gang
Message-ID: <ADF7740DB5C049ABA1DA7FC745268E63@Bud>

Before I head off to my Enchiladas/Manicotti(I forgot to buy Enchilada Sauce
so I'm using Modified Spaghetti Sauce)....Thanks to all of you for your
wonderful communication..The FOT is a Very Helpful Venue...Full of
Friends...The tech stuff is Terrific....The Friendship goes Waaay Beyond
That..I Appeciate It Greatly
Keep Going Gang!
Racer Bud


From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Sep 28 22:00:04 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:00:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: CSRG Thunderhill Race HOTEL ROOM STUFF HURRY UP!
Message-ID: <6AA0123A7B8F47C99B9D2A30A0DA2E5A@Bud>

Hi Gang....
For those of you racing at Thunderhill on Halloween Weekend...This is also the
Opening weekend of Pheasant Season, so Hotel Rooms are becoming in short
Supply...and...The Best Western Golden Pheasant is now a Travelodge(same place
and same Mexican Restaurant)..The DIRECT PHONE # IS 530 934-4603..
Racer Bud


From gasket.works at verizon.net  Mon Sep 28 22:54:54 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:54:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
	<001a01ca405e$53af6eb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <002c01ca40c0$fe7c2dd0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

Now my son has some motivation to get his TR6 together and be that "Padewan 
Lerner".
Mordy

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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 29 07:02:59 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 06:02:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] NewsFlash:Sports car wins SCCA EP
In-Reply-To: <4AC16754.5090305@cyberspeedway.net>
Message-ID: <430885.719.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Nothing so scientific, just the cream rising to the top.

--- On Mon, 9/28/09, greg <gtlund at cyberspeedway.net> wrote:


From: greg <gtlund at cyberspeedway.net>
Subject: [Fot] NewsFlash:Sports car wins SCCA EP
To: "FOT LIST" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 8:48 PM


Something strange has happened in a Sports Car Club of America
production car national championship. It seems that a traditional sports
car has won among a field of mostly sedans. Did the earth's axis shift? Maybe it's the lack of sunspots.

Greg Lund
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From triosan at gmail.com  Tue Sep 29 08:18:16 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:18:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <002c01ca40c0$fe7c2dd0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
	<001a01ca405e$53af6eb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<002c01ca40c0$fe7c2dd0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909290718s6887723et6ec79cdf7d0d6a37@mail.gmail.com>

Just

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:54 PM, MORDY DUNST <gasket.works at verizon.net>
wrote:
> Now my son has some motivation to get his TR6 together and be that "Padewan
> Lerner".

Great job Sam -- did not know you had spent so much time up here in
the Pacific Northwest where a dry track is a blessing.

 Mordy, Be sure you know where you want to run it -- no way Sam's TR6
could run in Vintage.  Kas would have loved the TVR independent rear
end or the 4 wheel vented disks, fender flairs, larger diameter and
width tires, 5 speed tranny [and the triple webers and Lord knows what
else].

My '69 TR6 is built to the '69 GCR's -- does not even have an air dam.
 Not knocking you Sam, just pointing out it is not a TR6 as we knew
them -- but then I doubt that any of the Miata's in the race resemble
their street/showroom stock brethren.  It is hard enough keeping my
car running --cannot imagine how much work it takes to make that
championship car running in top form.

Chuck


> Mordy
>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Sep 29 08:45:11 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:45:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife race - Eifelrennen
Message-ID: <bc1.5ab40cbd.37f37777@aol.com>

In a message dated 09/28/2009 5:05:01 PM Central Daylight Time, 
tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:


> After rising the big truck tent and having some beer for the night Jo, 
> Mark
> and me went into our sleeping bags in the truck for the night. I never had
> snoring in stereo but my sleep mates let me share this so I could forget
> about sleeping with that much noise.  The next morning took long to come. 
> But the mood of the group was excellent.  Mark was so excited to get 
> finally on the track. 
> 
Chris...
There's a tricky fix for that snoring problem.  Get up out of that sleeping 
bag, and very quickly kiss each of them right on the lips.  Then get back 
into your sleeping bag (zip it up tightly).  I'll guarantee you...your mates 
will stay awake the rest of the night, with their eyes wide open...watching 
you.  You can sleep like a baby.
Bill (Damdinger)


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Sep 29 08:56:55 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:56:55 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife race - Eifelrennen
In-Reply-To: <bc1.5ab40cbd.37f37777@aol.com>
References: <bc1.5ab40cbd.37f37777@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004901ca4115$18f68c10$4ae3a430$@com>

Hi Bill,

Ill wait for you, till we meet at the trackside somewhere, then Ill
try..please get shaved before.

Cheers
Chris

Von: BillDentin at aol.com [mailto:BillDentin at aol.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. September 2009 16:45
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife race - Eifelrennen

In a message dated 09/28/2009 5:05:01 PM Central Daylight Time,
tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:




After rising the big truck tent and having some beer for the night Jo, Mark
and me went into our sleeping bags in the truck for the night. I never had
snoring in stereo but my sleep mates let me share this so I could forget
about sleeping with that much noise.  The next morning took long to come.
But the mood of the group was excellent.  Mark was so excited to get finally
on the track.

Chris...
There's a tricky fix for that snoring problem.  Get up out of that sleeping
bag, and very quickly kiss each of them right on the lips.  Then get back
into your sleeping bag (zip it up tightly).  I'll guarantee you...your mates
will stay awake the rest of the night, with their eyes wide open...watching
you.  You can sleep like a baby.
Bill (Damdinger)


From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Sep 29 09:03:08 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:03:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Sam's TR-6
Message-ID: <3CA98669F619405ABD5434EAD1D0D12D@KasPC>

Sam's car is a mixture of Triumph and other parts for certain. I have done a
long story on his car for the book I am working on.  Some of the things he has
done and how he did them are really brilliant. His competition has had the
advantage of over 30 years modern technology  and study (make that comparison
in engines) and who also have the SCCA regulations in their hands.

The SCCA is the party that determines the regulations, and all Sam has done is
bring a really nice car up to the standard that these regulations seem to
admire.

It is truly wonderful to see Sam rewarded for his hard work, great driving and
perseverance over the years to be the CHAMPION. In addition, he won it in
conditions where a cool head takes precedence over modern car engineering. It
is indeed a pleasure to know Sam.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Kas Kastner.vcf]


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Sep 29 09:12:19 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:12:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pixs from Portland
References: <20090929024638.CE4DC18786C@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4FBB43C5698B4B6AB19A0DF7FE69BBB3@Charly>

I have some pictures from Portland to share as well.  If anyone has some I 
can add, feel free to forward them to me.
Thanks,
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

http://uploadingit.com/f/JM5IWVBYMCWY2DYG


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 7:45 PM
Subject: [Fot] Pixs from Portland


>I just published the new issue of our Newsletter.  One of our members, Jim 
>Bauder, was up in Portland for the races.
>
> During his extended roadtrip in his restored TR-250 he has been submitting 
> dispatches and photos that I have been putting in our newsletter.  He got 
> some nice photos.  Thought you guys might like to see them.
>
> The new issue is here: http://www.dctra.org/News/Oct2009.pdf
>
> Archive going back to 2003: http://www.dctra.org/?page_id=32
>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Sep 29 09:48:08 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:48:08 +0200
Subject: [Fot]  Nordschleife race - Eifelrennen [video]
Message-ID: <005b01ca411c$3f70b080$be521180$@com>

Maybe there might be interrest in a video of one lap:
 
http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5386911069380752722 
 
(might need a few minutes to appear)
 
Cheers
Chris 


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue Sep 29 09:51:38 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:51:38 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Sam's TR-6
Message-ID: <bdf.5c83e8a5.37f3870a@cs.com>

Kas,

I am hoping that the organizers of the next Kastner Cup will be able to 
invite Sam to Heartland Park next August and that he will be able to join us.

This would be quite special........

Joe A

> Sam's car is a mixture of Triumph and other parts for certain. I have 
> done a
> long story on his car for the book I am working on.  Some of the things he 
> has
> done and how he did them are really brilliant. His competition has had the
> advantage of over 30 years modern technology  and study (make that 
> comparison
> in engines) and who also have the SCCA regulations in their hands.
> 
> The SCCA is the party that determines the regulations, and all Sam has 
> done is
> bring a really nice car up to the standard that these regulations seem to
> admire.
> 
> It is truly wonderful to see Sam rewarded for his hard work, great driving 
> and
> perseverance over the years to be the CHAMPION. In addition, he won it in
> conditions where a cool head takes precedence over modern car engineering. 
> It
> is indeed a pleasure to know Sam.
> 
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name 
> of Kas Kastner.vcf]


From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Tue Sep 29 10:51:09 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:51:09 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Sam's TR-6
Message-ID: <d47.46dcb87a.37f394fd@aol.com>

All we need to have is his contact information and he will receive a  
special invite.
 
Gary


From Catpusher at aol.com  Tue Sep 29 11:10:46 2009
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:10:46 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Sam did warn them!
Message-ID: <d1f.4a7988ee.37f39996@aol.com>

When your long time listed sponsor is a boat marina, who could be  
surprised that Sam would be brilliant in the wet! 
 Not that his many years of dedicated effort were a secret as  well.
 
Spot on Sam
 
Hardy


From gasket.works at verizon.net  Tue Sep 29 11:11:42 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works USA)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:11:42 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Sam's TR-6
Message-ID: <2049505336.58925.1254244302304.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net>



From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Tue Sep 29 12:57:23 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:57:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <002c01ca40c0$fe7c2dd0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
	<001a01ca405e$53af6eb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<002c01ca40c0$fe7c2dd0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0613CA4DAB@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

I had no idea what Mordy was referencing. From the Wiki-wackos:

Jedi Padawan/Apprentice: A Youngling that successfully completes their
respective level of training undergoes Padawan apprentice training under the
tutelage of a Jedi Knight or Jedi Master. As a rite of passage and the final
test before the trials to knighthood, Padawans must build their own
lightsabers. In the Old Republic, male Human Padawans usually wore braids in
their hair that were removed upon attaining knighthood.

Therefore I see why the Mordy the younger must build his own TR6. We await the
color choice and unique operation of the cut-off/on switch. I assume he wears
a pony-tail. There is no question about Mordy's Master status.


Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
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-----Original Message-----
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Of MORDY DUNST
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:55 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS

Now my son has some motivation to get his TR6 together and be that "Padewan
Lerner".
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Tue Sep 29 13:07:35 2009
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:07:35 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife race - Eifelrennen [video]
Message-ID: <20090929.130736.5576.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Chris,
That was fun. I also enjoyed SPA, but lost that link. You get to play in
very cool places!
Thanks,
Bill
 
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:48:08 +0200 "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
writes:
> Maybe there might be interrest in a video of one lap:
>  
> http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5386911069380752722 
>  
> (might need a few minutes to appear)
>  
> Cheers
> Chris 
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From dave at microworks.net  Tue Sep 29 17:57:33 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:57:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] This hurt...
Message-ID: <20090929235852.20F41187645@autox.team.net>

	Last night I just finished publishing the new issue of our Triumph 
Club's newsletter (has some nice shots of the races in Portland last month)

http://www.dctra.org/News/Oct2009.pdf

	This afternoon I opened a new Adobe InDesign file to start laying 
out the November issue - that way I can add content across the month 
rather than try to put the whole thing together in one go.

	Anyway, Looking for some content to put on the "Funnies" page I came 
across this list.

http://www.geocities.com/pontiacgto1974/racer.html

	The last item on the list really hurt. "After you tell your wife 
where you'd like to go on your vacation she answers: "Why... is there 
a race there?"  That one hurt!  Just this past weekend I told my wife 
that next year we were going to take a vacation to return to Korea 
where we lived for the first few years of our Marriage.  The fact the 
FIA had announced that very same day that Korea was being added to 
the 2010 F1 Season schedule had NOTHING to do with these vacation plans.

	Hopefully enough years have passed that the my Passport won't flag 
me to become a "guest of the state" for espionage which caused us to 
leave there in the first place!


From quicktr4 at comcast.net  Tue Sep 29 23:25:08 2009
From: quicktr4 at comcast.net (quicktr4)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:25:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] tws part 2
References: <000001ca3cce$a8e240d0$6401a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <27C2647BB64D49FDB8F5E8C86B5FC3E9@quickfure2vk6w>

trany mount is broken been there!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:22 PM
Subject: [Fot] tws part 2


> Part 2
> 
> New head gasket installed, I had an absolute blast following Bob &
> Andrew around Sunday morning (pic below).  I had a strange noise coming
> from the rear end one lap after the picture was taken. At the end of the
> back straight I pitched it hard into turn 7 and it sounded like the
> drive shaft had let go and was bouncing around.  I pulled in to check
> things out.  When I drained the diff fluid, it was pretty shinny but non
> metallic.  This is a welded diff so I am not too concerned about fine
> brass bits in the diff.  Should I be?
> 
> Dad, Don Couch, and all the other Kramers were watching at the Carousel
> as Bob, I, and Andrew came around the Carousel nose to tail.  I think
> this was the point at which Dad found his confidence.  Watching Bob
> pitch his car around the track let him see what the car could do.  For
> the rest of Sunday, Dad was swapping positions with a 914.  At the end
> of his sessions he would come in with a very big grin.  I know he is
> hooked now.
> 
> I filled the diff in the 3 and ran again in the afternoon with group 7.
> The noise reappeared after lap 3, I thought about coming in again but
> decided to just back off a bit and keep driving.  The noise started to
> die down a bit towards the end of the race.  Not sure what is going on
> with this rear end.  This is the second fresh rear end in so many races.
> I'll pull the cover before too long to check things out, again.
> 
> 
> 
> Links below to various picture from the weekend.  I'll send out another
> link for the best picture of the weekend when Don gets us his photos.
> Don??
> 
> This Dad, Bob Blake, learning the Carousel
> http://cafephoto.smugmug.com/CVAR-TWS-9-200/Group-5/Sun-AM2/9709628_XabU
> q/1/656590819_t4fof/Medium
> 
> This is Bob Kramer, AKA spares, borrowing Dad's car for the Sunday am
> Group 7 race showing Andrew and I the line.  
> 
> http://cafephoto.smugmug.com/CVAR-TWS-9-200/Group-7/Sun-AM1/9709692_vJrU
> u/6/656627903_AtRU5/Small
> 
> 
> Kramer really does have an amazing amount of knowledge and spares.
> Along with the head gasket that he loaned me (I don't plan to give that
> one back Bob) I asked for a spare rocker arm adjusting screw/nut and
> push rod.  I had a nut back off which resulted in a stripped screw and
> mushroomed pushrod.  Bob hands me a complete ready to bolt on rocker set
> and a set of 8 push rods, take your pick.  Awesome.  Once again, I would
> not have made it through the weekend without him.
> 
> Thanks for all the help, especially Dad and Bob.  You guys rock.
> 
> Larry,
> 
> LOVE THE CAM.  
> 
> Greg
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From GRMTim at aol.com  Wed Sep 30 05:09:41 2009
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:09:41 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Jay Leno video on Group 44 GT6+
Message-ID: <cec.641ab3c3.37f49675@aol.com>

Thought you guys might like to check this out:

http://classicmotorsports.net/forum/classic-cars/triumph-group-44-gt6-featured-on-jay-lenos-garage-/14487/page1/

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and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Sep 30 07:57:40 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:57:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Jay Leno video on Group 44 GT6+
In-Reply-To: <cec.641ab3c3.37f49675@aol.com>
References: <cec.641ab3c3.37f49675@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090930135754.8AE27187671@autox.team.net>

Very cool.  Congratulations on doing a video with Jay!

- Tony

At 06:09 AM 9/30/2009, GRMTim at aol.com wrote:
>Thought you guys might like to check this out:
>
>http://classicmotorsports.net/forum/classic-cars/triumph-group-44-gt6-featured-on-jay-lenos-garage-/14487/page1/
>
>Tim Suddard
>Publisher; Classic Motorsports
>and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
>www.classicmotorsports.net
>www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
>Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040


From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Wed Sep 30 10:04:34 2009
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:04:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A timely item from Hot Wheels
Message-ID: <20090930.100434.3148.1.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Just received a new car by Hot Wheels that is very cool in light of the
news from the SCCA Runoffs. Offering #33 of 42 or 190, in the 2009 new
models is a Triumph TR6 (1969). Dressed as a racer, one - seven green
looks quite vintage with number balls, twin stripes front to back, cut
down windscreen, rear and cross braced roll bar (cross braced the wrong
way for its RHD driver position), air dam, nice details, and some sponsor
graphics that my eyes can't resolve. The packaging also sports a nice
illustration and information about the car.
Amazing for Hot Wheels these days, the wheels actually look as if they
belong on the car!
Collect them all!
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From andre at gt6.ca  Wed Sep 30 10:44:17 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:44:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] A timely item from Hot Wheels
In-Reply-To: <20090930.100434.3148.1.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
References: <20090930.100434.3148.1.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4362ae390909300944g2207bb99od0b3c713ef83740e@mail.gmail.com>

I picked up the #17 TR6 Hot Wheels car the other day from Walmart.

http://temp.justdrive.ca/17-triumphtr6.jpg

Tres cool.

If I had been able to find a 2nd I would have pulled one out of the package :)

A.

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2009/9/30 William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com>:
> Just received a new car by Hot Wheels that is very cool in light of the
> news from the SCCA Runoffs. Offering #33 of 42 or 190, in the 2009 new
> models is a Triumph TR6 (1969). Dressed as a racer, one - seven green
> looks quite vintage with number balls, twin stripes front to back, cut
> down windscreen, rear and cross braced roll bar (cross braced the wrong
> way for its RHD driver position), air dam, nice details, and some sponsor
> graphics that my eyes can't resolve. The packaging also sports a nice
> illustration and information about the car.
> Amazing for Hot Wheels these days, the wheels actually look as if they
> belong on the car!
> Collect them all!
> Bill
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Wed Sep 30 13:09:25 2009
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:09:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A timely item from Hot Wheels
Message-ID: <20090930.130925.3148.5.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

I like the white.
Wonder what others are out there?
Bill
 
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:44:17 -0400 Andre Rousseau <andre at gt6.ca> writes:
> I picked up the #17 TR6 Hot Wheels car the other day from Walmart.
> 
> http://temp.justdrive.ca/17-triumphtr6.jpg
> 
> Tres cool.
> 
> If I had been able to find a 2nd I would have pulled one out of the 
> package :)
> 
> A.
> 
> -- 
> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
> '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
> Ottawa, ON, Canada
> 
> 
> 2009/9/30 William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com>:
> > Just received a new car by Hot Wheels that is very cool in light 
> of the
> > news from the SCCA Runoffs. Offering #33 of 42 or 190, in the 2009 
> new
> > models is a Triumph TR6 (1969). Dressed as a racer, one - seven 
> green
> > looks quite vintage with number balls, twin stripes front to back, 
> cut
> > down windscreen, rear and cross braced roll bar (cross braced the 
> wrong
> > way for its RHD driver position), air dam, nice details, and some 
> sponsor
> > graphics that my eyes can't resolve. The packaging also sports a 
> nice
> > illustration and information about the car.
> > Amazing for Hot Wheels these days, the wheels actually look as if 
> they
> > belong on the car!
> > Collect them all!
> > Bill
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From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Sep 30 13:42:52 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:42:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] A timely item from Hot Wheels
In-Reply-To: <20090930.130925.3148.5.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
References: <20090930.130925.3148.5.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330909301242n29a5e70blc7ec8e0519b3aac@mail.gmail.com>

So who is organizing the group buy? :)

Not it!




On 9/30/09, William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com> wrote:
> I like the white.
> Wonder what others are out there?
> Bill
>
> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:44:17 -0400 Andre Rousseau <andre at gt6.ca> writes:
>> I picked up the #17 TR6 Hot Wheels car the other day from Walmart.
>>
>> http://temp.justdrive.ca/17-triumphtr6.jpg
>>
>> Tres cool.
>>
>> If I had been able to find a 2nd I would have pulled one out of the
>> package :)
>>
>> A.
>>
>> --
>> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
>> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
>> '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
>> Ottawa, ON, Canada
>>
>>
>> 2009/9/30 William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com>:
>> > Just received a new car by Hot Wheels that is very cool in light
>> of the
>> > news from the SCCA Runoffs. Offering #33 of 42 or 190, in the 2009
>> new
>> > models is a Triumph TR6 (1969). Dressed as a racer, one - seven
>> green
>> > looks quite vintage with number balls, twin stripes front to back,
>> cut
>> > down windscreen, rear and cross braced roll bar (cross braced the
>> wrong
>> > way for its RHD driver position), air dam, nice details, and some
>> sponsor
>> > graphics that my eyes can't resolve. The packaging also sports a
>> nice
>> > illustration and information about the car.
>> > Amazing for Hot Wheels these days, the wheels actually look as if
>> they
>> > belong on the car!
>> > Collect them all!
>> > Bill
>> > ____________________________________________________________
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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Wed Sep 30 13:54:30 2009
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:54:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] A timely item from Hot Wheels
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330909301242n29a5e70blc7ec8e0519b3aac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090930.130925.3148.5.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
	<d9f7bd330909301242n29a5e70blc7ec8e0519b3aac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00b501ca4207$d3a60e80$7af22b80$@net>

Robert WILL

Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of robert bownes
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:43 PM
To: William G Rosenbach; andre at gt6.ca; FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] A timely item from Hot Wheels

So who is organizing the group buy? :)

Not it!




On 9/30/09, William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com> wrote:
> I like the white.
> Wonder what others are out there?
> Bill
>
> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:44:17 -0400 Andre Rousseau <andre at gt6.ca> writes:
>> I picked up the #17 TR6 Hot Wheels car the other day from Walmart.
>>
>> http://temp.justdrive.ca/17-triumphtr6.jpg
>>
>> Tres cool.
>>
>> If I had been able to find a 2nd I would have pulled one out of the
>> package :)
>>
>> A.
>>
>> --
>> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
>> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
>> '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
>> Ottawa, ON, Canada
>>
>>
>> 2009/9/30 William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com>:
>> > Just received a new car by Hot Wheels that is very cool in light
>> of the
>> > news from the SCCA Runoffs. Offering #33 of 42 or 190, in the 2009
>> new
>> > models is a Triumph TR6 (1969). Dressed as a racer, one - seven
>> green
>> > looks quite vintage with number balls, twin stripes front to back,
>> cut
>> > down windscreen, rear and cross braced roll bar (cross braced the
>> wrong
>> > way for its RHD driver position), air dam, nice details, and some
>> sponsor
>> > graphics that my eyes can't resolve. The packaging also sports a
>> nice
>> > illustration and information about the car.
>> > Amazing for Hot Wheels these days, the wheels actually look as if
>> they
>> > belong on the car!
>> > Collect them all!
>> > Bill
>> > ____________________________________________________________
>> > Free Window Cleaning Bids
>> > Find top-rated local window washers and get multiple free bids
>> today!
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From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Sep 30 16:32:55 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:32:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] tr6 hot wheels
Message-ID: <0190AFBDDD914182BE6A9A9B82405EB1@Bud>

would someone please send the Hot Wheels TR6 info again?
thanks
RB


From tr6nut at verizon.net  Wed Sep 30 16:38:25 2009
From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:38:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] A timely item from Hot Wheels
In-Reply-To: <20090930.130925.3148.5.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
References: <20090930.130925.3148.5.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4AC3DDE1.2000602@verizon.net>

I was able to find a green one and a silver (white?) one.  They were 
$1.50 + shipping on EBay.

Hugh Barber
Stafford, VA
'73 TR6


William G Rosenbach wrote:
> I like the white.
> Wonder what others are out there?
> Bill


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Wed Sep 30 17:04:52 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:04:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] tr6 hot wheels
References: <0190AFBDDD914182BE6A9A9B82405EB1@Bud>
Message-ID: <FB9F731150344F449B3501AC9D263483@latitudefb1e41>

I picked up 3 silver ones at a Walmart today. I stopped at another Walmart 
and they didn't have any.

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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:32 PM
Subject: [Fot] tr6 hot wheels


> would someone please send the Hot Wheels TR6 info again?
> thanks
> RB
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Sep 30 17:31:21 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:31:21 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Jay Leno video on Group 44 GT6+
In-Reply-To: <20090930135754.8AE27187671@autox.team.net>
References: <cec.641ab3c3.37f49675@aol.com>
	<20090930135754.8AE27187671@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4AC3EA49.7020607@bradakis.com>

Nice segment.

My first Triumph was a '69 GT6+ so I have an attachment to the cars.

One thing I was hoping would be a result of me making it to Portland
was to fire up my enthusiasm for getting some of my projects done.
Hearing the sound of that 2 litre six was certainly an inspiration!

mjb.


From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Sep 30 18:31:32 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:31:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] tr6 hot wheels
References: <0190AFBDDD914182BE6A9A9B82405EB1@Bud>
	<FB9F731150344F449B3501AC9D263483@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <98590E440F3247588E34E5F00E3596CE@Bud>

Thanks Gang...I got 3 on Ebay....
Racer Bud
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Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] tr6 hot wheels


>I picked up 3 silver ones at a Walmart today. I stopped at another Walmart 
>and they didn't have any.
>
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> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
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>> would someone please send the Hot Wheels TR6 info again?
>> thanks
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 20:19:17 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:19:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FP Runoffs race from Eric Prill's Super 7
Message-ID: <673993c50909301919q60675a36h8e83cc98332cbcbf@mail.gmail.com>

Thought some of you might enjoy this..
http://vimeo.com/6840209

>From his view, it looks like Sargis tried to push Bryson over, not knowing
Ruck was already there. Three cars using half the track just doesn't work.

Bob


From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Sep 30 21:09:18 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:09:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FP Runoffs race from Eric Prill's Super 7
References: <673993c50909301919q60675a36h8e83cc98332cbcbf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7D2B23D584C142CEAAF908C88ADEC3B0@Bud>

thanks Bob..I enjoyed it a bunch!
Racer bud
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Subject: [Fot] FP Runoffs race from Eric Prill's Super 7


> Thought some of you might enjoy this..
> http://vimeo.com/6840209
>
>>From his view, it looks like Sargis tried to push Bryson over, not knowing
> Ruck was already there. Three cars using half the track just doesn't work.
>
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Tue Sep  1 05:07:53 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:07:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen
References: <809335FD2BDF4D61A075FA1612EDF8E6@ComputerPC>
Message-ID: <00c101ca2af4$74fc5080$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Hi, I'm going but have some folks coming up so all mine are spoken for. I
was hoping to bum a couple myself.
  If there's any change, I'll let you know.
  Bill----- Original Message -----
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  Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:11 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen


  > Who will be at Watkins and may have a couple spare crew passes for a
couple
  > WPTA guys.
  > Bruce Stutzman
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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Tue Sep  1 07:56:25 2009
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 06:56:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America ... Sep 11
Message-ID: <83250.27168.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just curious ... with everyone headed for the CRC .... who all will be at RA
for the VSCDA vintage race the weekend of the 11th.
  I will try to get in early enough to rope off paddock space for anyone that
wants.  I usually like to get the grass area above turn 5 next to Bill D. ....
its shaded from wind and a lot of heat, and right at the grid ... 


Tom

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Sep  1 08:18:46 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 09:18:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rain in Portland?
Message-ID: <20090901141937.8D5E418766F@autox.team.net>

So, the forecast for CRC looks like showers and mid 60's for Fri / 
Sat / Sun (although I note that it seems to change at the drop of a 
hat)...  What is the character of the "showers" out there 
normally?  Is it kinda like Mosport where you have a shower pass 
through occasionally, or more like the Midwest where that would be 
"don't bother to leave the Hotel"?

- Tony


From billb at bnj.com  Tue Sep  1 09:23:01 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 08:23:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Rain in Portland?
In-Reply-To: <20090901141937.8D5E418766F@autox.team.net>
References: <20090901141937.8D5E418766F@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <3EEF3BF9-B06A-4397-9045-F8BEE0FF3004@bnj.com>

This time of the year a shower is generally very short, just enough to  
make the track snotty for a race or two. We rarely get heavy rain,  
it's just usually overcast and occasional drizzles.
On Sep 1, 2009, at 7:18 AM, Tony Drews wrote:

> So, the forecast for CRC looks like showers and mid 60's for Fri /  
> Sat / Sun (although I note that it seems to change at the drop of a  
> hat)...  What is the character of the "showers" out there normally?   
> Is it kinda like Mosport where you have a shower pass through  
> occasionally, or more like the Midwest where that would be "don't  
> bother to leave the Hotel"?
>
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From rodkent at cox.net  Tue Sep  1 10:01:49 2009
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:01:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] hpv-1 ignition
In-Reply-To: <1661778748.6105391251771937862.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20090901120149.BO8FH.2901.imail@fed1rmwml44>

I have heard some instances of problems, but not nearly as many as with msd. I have used electromotive for 20 years and no issues outside goofy things like bad grounds, bad wires or something not the units fault. I may have a spare if you are still looking for one. 
---- fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote: 
take the electromotive and put it on the shelf.



replace it with a distributor and points and go racing.B 



I use a crank fire and MSD with a distributor in backup...in 6 years...no
iginition failures.



most everyone I know has taken the electromotives off



aaron
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Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:01:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [Fot] hpv-1 ignition

FoTer's goodmorning, found my mistery issue with the tr4 that has plaqued me
all season. The electromotive crankfired ignition system that i run has been
diagnosed by the factory as at fault. The base unit (that the coils plug into)
does not send proper pulses consistantly, what i thought was a fuel issue
turned out not so. My question, does anyone have a spare or not needed unit
that they would like to part with??? Hate to invest alot of monies on a new
unit this late in the season unless i have to, the unit in question is a
Electromotive HPV-1 for a 4cyl. Thanks and have a good weekend. Mark
Pendergrass
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From rodkent at cox.net  Tue Sep  1 10:03:26 2009
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:03:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] A-arm question
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330908311638k4ec02080p44a3057ffcdc5993@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090901120326.RQY6Z.2935.imail@fed1rmwml44>

way different
---- robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com> wrote: 
I don't have one in hand either, but I'm pretty sure they are different.
Check the part numbers perhaps?


On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Gary Horstkorta
<vintage.racer at comcast.net>wrote:

> Since I've only owned TRs and not Spitfires I have a question for anyone
> with knowledge about how similar the upper A-arms of a GT6 versus TR4-6.
> I've checked a general Triumph car service manual and the diagram of the
> GT6
> upper a-arm looks similar but not having one in hand to compare, I can't
> tell if it is the same as a TR4-6.  Anyone out there know?  Thanks.
>
>
>
> Gary
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From cak at dimebank.com  Tue Sep  1 12:08:47 2009
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 11:08:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] A-arm question
Message-ID: <200909011808.n81I8lSZ027440@moose.dimebank.com>

Way different.

GT6 is symmetrical; the upper a-arm is made up of 2ea p/n 119272. 
The TR4A/TR6 is asymmetrical; upper a-arm is 1ea p/n133504, 1ea p/n133507.
Completely different dimensions, bushings, ball joints.

chris


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue Sep  1 12:47:01 2009
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 11:47:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] A-arm question
Message-ID: <000001ca2b34$97e9dbe0$c7bd93a0$@racer@comcast.net>

Thanks to all who responded to my question about GT6 vs TR4-6 a-arms, I now
know they are completely different.

 

Gary


From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Sep  1 13:12:48 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:12:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] A-arm question
References: <000001ca2b34$97e9dbe0$c7bd93a0$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8564A2897A5E405DB1A6A6F85F05BF32@Bud>

they will work on the rear though...(:>)
Racer Bud
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 11:47 AM
Subject: [Fot] A-arm question


> Thanks to all who responded to my question about GT6 vs TR4-6 a-arms, I 
> now
> know they are completely different.
>
>
>
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Sep  1 14:19:43 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 15:19:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America ... Sep 11
In-Reply-To: <83250.27168.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <83250.27168.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003901ca2b41$8bdb8ad0$a392a070$@com>

Ryan and I will be there with the TR4.

Tim Murphy

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of tom strange
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:56 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] ELVF at Road America ... Sep 11

Just curious ... with everyone headed for the CRC .... who all will be at RA
for the VSCDA vintage race the weekend of the 11th.
  I will try to get in early enough to rope off paddock space for anyone
that
wants.  I usually like to get the grass area above turn 5 next to Bill D.
....
its shaded from wind and a lot of heat, and right at the grid ... 


Tom

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Sep  2 05:03:09 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 13:03:09 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Frame bending
In-Reply-To: <8564A2897A5E405DB1A6A6F85F05BF32@Bud>
References: <000001ca2b34$97e9dbe0$c7bd93a0$@racer@comcast.net>
	<8564A2897A5E405DB1A6A6F85F05BF32@Bud>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAF9SLdcK17xIoKxj4DZ3r0wBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

Hi,

after the rear axle breakage at Spa I need to bend the front suspension
domes.
Any advice how to bend them?

Cheers
Chris


From billb at bnj.com  Wed Sep  2 08:20:57 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 07:20:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Frame bending
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	<8564A2897A5E405DB1A6A6F85F05BF32@Bud>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAF9SLdcK17xIoKxj4DZ3r0wBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <15419DB6-5331-4F31-9C7A-713D7686C7D8@bnj.com>

A frame shop should be able to do that for you. I've had to have my  
frame straightened. Only right way is on a big frame table .
On Sep 2, 2009, at 4:03 AM, MadMarx wrote:

> Hi,
>
> after the rear axle breakage at Spa I need to bend the front  
> suspension
> domes.
> Any advice how to bend them?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Sep  2 08:22:54 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 16:22:54 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Frame bending
In-Reply-To: <001a01ca2bd6$7d6ece90$784c6bb0$@com>
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	<001a01ca2bd6$7d6ece90$784c6bb0$@com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAKyjYn5QAYZNnFCUZVKUuuIBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

As there are several questions first the video - scroll to the end to enjoy
a flying around car:
I posted if before so don't get angry if you already watched it.

http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5355089330593825922

http://www.racerspics.de/bilder/albums/bilder/2009/summer_classics/summer_cl
assics_1_774.JPG

So....what is damaged?
Good news - the rear end is repaired and already painted again. The car was
on a stretch bench and the frame is flat now - BUT the domes at the front
end are both tilted to the left. I found that the connector between the
domes is cracked on the left side. To have more camber I'm thinking about to
leave the right dome as it is and bend the left dome to the right to get the
camber there too. Any chance to do this?

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Tim Murphy [mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. September 2009 16:06
An: 'MadMarx'
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Frame bending

You broke a rear axle at Spa?  Wow, breaking anything on that track would be
scary.  I trust you didn't get injured, but how's the car?  Too bad it would
be prohibitively expensive to ship an axle over here to Southwick to do the
conversion.  If you have some connections at a good machine shop, maybe
Southwick would be willing to "license" them to do the conversion for you.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 6:03 AM
To: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] Frame bending

Hi,

after the rear axle breakage at Spa I need to bend the front suspension
domes.
Any advice how to bend them?

Cheers
Chris
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Sep  2 14:31:11 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 16:31:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Diesel Power parts...
Message-ID: <d16.51299fe8.37d0300f@aol.com>

Amici...

Sorry to bomb the list, but I need to contact the member who works for the 
specialized Diesel Parts company.  I bought some marine injectors from you 
recently.  We're installing them today.  I have a question.

Please contact me off list.

Bill Dentinger


From GRMTim at aol.com  Wed Sep  2 18:55:06 2009
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:55:06 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen
Message-ID: <c39.5e9d534c.37d06dea@aol.com>

Gary Hunter and I are going and will have the Group 44 GT6+ on display and 
running downtown. We are not racing it at the track, as we have promised it 
to the Radnor Hunt Concours on Sunday in Malvern PA.

Sorry no extra tickets, but we will probably have an extra beer or two when 
we see you.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040


From GRMTim at aol.com  Wed Sep  2 18:58:10 2009
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:58:10 EDT
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <c53.55934db9.37d06ea2@aol.com>

I heard it was at Topeka. I might make that on the way back from Monterey.

On another race note... we will have a free Classic Motorsports sponsored 
enduro for under 2.0 liter cars at the Mitty for Triumphs, MGs and the like. 
The details on this will be announced soon.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040



In a message dated 8/31/09 2:48:11 PM, jsnook at wcnet.org writes:


> Hey all, can someone tell me where next year's race will be (if it is
> decided yet!).
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jeff Snook
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  2 19:07:04 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 18:07:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirts
Message-ID: <30466.54578.qm@web57605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

FOT:

For those who ordered t-shirts for this years Kastner Cup at PIR, I have seen
an example of the finished product and the design looks great; my wife even
said they looked great.

For those picking up shirts at PIR, the shirts have shipped and should arrive
at PIR on Friday.  Irv Korey and Joe Alexander will be distributing the shirts
at PIR so look for Joe's Ambro, shouldn't be hard to miss.

Those who requested the shirts to be shipped to them, you should expect
delivery some time next week.

Any questions, please let me know.

Thanks again,

Ernie


From billb at bnj.com  Wed Sep  2 23:19:23 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 22:19:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CRC Weather
Message-ID: <230C7669-6A39-42F5-A29E-D79EAD3EC8D2@bnj.com>

Friday looks nice, 60 percent chance of rain on Saturday, 30 percent  
chance of showers on Sunday, slight chance of showers on Monday.

This time of the year, it's hard to say what this means. It's likely  
that we'll get some rain, but unlikely that it will rain heavily. I'm  
keeping my fingers crossed. The weather has been spectacular for a  
month, hard to believe that it would chose this one weekend to rain. 


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Sep  3 01:18:39 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 09:18:39 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Frame bending
In-Reply-To: <7A9D02F8-628F-4730-8F72-C3D1F7B54670@bnj.com>
References: <000001ca2b34$97e9dbe0$c7bd93a0$@racer@comcast.net>
	<8564A2897A5E405DB1A6A6F85F05BF32@Bud>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAF9SLdcK17xIoKxj4DZ3r0wBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>
	<001a01ca2bd6$7d6ece90$784c6bb0$@com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAKyjYn5QAYZNnFCUZVKUuuIBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>
	<7A9D02F8-628F-4730-8F72-C3D1F7B54670@bnj.com>
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The track is fast and really fun to drive on. My favorite after of course
the mother of all tracks - the Nordschleife.

To use a jack to move the domes to the outside is a good idea, but how to
bend them to the inside?

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. September 2009 17:31
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Frame bending

What a great track. The F1 race there this year was amazing. Force
India in SECOND!! Wow.

The towers should have been adjusted on the bench, but certainly you
can jack them now. I'd use a hydraulic jack braced diagonally against
the bottom of the opposite frame rail. Shouldn't move the rail at all.
On Sep 2, 2009, at 7:22 AM, MadMarx wrote:

> As there are several questions first the video - scroll to the end
> to enjoy
> a flying around car:
> I posted if before so don't get angry if you already watched it.
>
> http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5355089330593825922
>
>
http://www.racerspics.de/bilder/albums/bilder/2009/summer_classics/summer_cl
> assics_1_774.JPG
>
> So....what is damaged?
> Good news - the rear end is repaired and already painted again. The
> car was
> on a stretch bench and the frame is flat now - BUT the domes at the
> front
> end are both tilted to the left. I found that the connector between
> the
> domes is cracked on the left side. To have more camber I'm thinking
> about to
> leave the right dome as it is and bend the left dome to the right to
> get the
> camber there too. Any chance to do this?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Tim Murphy [mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. September 2009 16:06
> An: 'MadMarx'
> Betreff: RE: [Fot] Frame bending
>
> You broke a rear axle at Spa?  Wow, breaking anything on that track
> would be
> scary.  I trust you didn't get injured, but how's the car?  Too bad
> it would
> be prohibitively expensive to ship an axle over here to Southwick to
> do the
> conversion.  If you have some connections at a good machine shop,
> maybe
> Southwick would be willing to "license" them to do the conversion
> for you.
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On
> Behalf Of MadMarx
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 6:03 AM
> To: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
> Subject: [Fot] Frame bending
>
> Hi,
>
> after the rear axle breakage at Spa I need to bend the front
> suspension
> domes.
> Any advice how to bend them?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From riverside at southslope.net  Thu Sep  3 13:21:37 2009
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 14:21:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] top end lean w/ webers
Message-ID: <000801ca2ccb$c1efec70$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>

I am trying to get the carbs tuned on an
autocrosser w/ dual 45's.

I am going lean above 3500.  went down 4 steps
(one at a time) with the air corrections and got
some improvement (goes to a surge now instead
of complete flame out) and pulls to 4K before trouble.

Motor idles well and pulls strongly until the problem
arrives.  no stumbles.

Any of the weber running folks have any suggestions before
i buy more brass?   thanks

art de armond


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Sep  3 20:10:52 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:10:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] top end lean w/ webers
In-Reply-To: <000801ca2ccb$c1efec70$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <000801ca2ccb$c1efec70$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <20090903211052.asm1ooerwo0s0sco@www.tonydrews.com>

I ended up with 135 mains and 135 air correction in my 42 DCOE's with
36 mm chokes.  I have F16 emulsion tubes.  I started at 200 with the
air correction, so went down quite a bit there to keep gas going at
the top end.

- Tony Drews

Quoting riverside <riverside at southslope.net>:

> I am trying to get the carbs tuned on an
> autocrosser w/ dual 45's.
>
> I am going lean above 3500.  went down 4 steps
> (one at a time) with the air corrections and got
> some improvement (goes to a surge now instead
> of complete flame out) and pulls to 4K before trouble.
>
> Motor idles well and pulls strongly until the problem
> arrives.  no stumbles.
>
> Any of the weber running folks have any suggestions before
> i buy more brass?   thanks
>
> art de armond
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Thu Sep  3 20:12:18 2009
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:12:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main cap "leaking" shellac
Message-ID: <0KPF0058ACSA1PD0@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net>

When I assembled my engine I soaked the felt strips in a couple of 
gallons of Indian Head Shellac.  Some seeped to the outside of the 
cap, of course, as well as dripped down the inside of the 
block.  I've driven the car for maybe 30 minutes of spirited fun 
since the rebuild.  Tonight I noticed a streak of shellac down the 
front of the flywheel inspection plate.  Is this normal?  I sense 
not, but am at a loss to explain why it would liquify again.  The 
split seal is leaking, which would cause hot oil to contact the 
shellac.  Perhaps it has dissolved the shellac?  I'll run a test tomorrow.

What say the gurus?

tnx

jim

--
J.C. Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
98.9% finished, 90% to go  


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Sep  3 22:36:45 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 21:36:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main cap "leaking" shellac
In-Reply-To: <0KPF0058ACSA1PD0@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <20090904043646050.IUIJ29089@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>

> I sense 
> not, but am at a loss to explain why it would liquify again.  

I'm certainly no guru, but ... any chance you've got fuel in the oil?
Shellac dissolves in ethanol, which we now have in our fuel.

Randall


From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Fri Sep  4 13:18:27 2009
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 12:18:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] top end lean w/ webers
References: <000801ca2ccb$c1efec70$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<20090903211052.asm1ooerwo0s0sco@www.tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <5CDA1969CD4544458F5E1A5354CE9394@your89d26e0447>

On my road race Morgan SS with 45 dcoe-9 carbs, with 40 mm chokes, 5.0 
auxiliary venturies, 35 pump jets (these are a major factor in high speed 
enrichment), we use 145 main jets, f-11 emulsion tubes, 140 air correction 
jets. The carbs come onto the main feed system around 3000 rpm at WOT. the 
engine comes on the cam at 3800-4000 rpm and will pull past 6800 rpm. The 
larger the choke the richer the idle jet needs to be because the main system 
comes in at higher rpm as the choke size goes up. On an autocross car, you 
need to look at the lowest rpm you think you are going to see at full 
throttle and set up the main choke size from that. On a full race engine at 
2187 cc, where the cam comes on at around 4,000 rpm, the bigger the choke 
the more power the engine will make. going smaller than 36 mm on the choke 
will have a tendency to push the beginning of the power curve down a couple 
hundred rpm but will noticeably reduce power above 6,000 rpm.
    For street use with the same tune engine, we use 34 mm chokes and 
smaller jets all around, the idle jets can be 50 f9 instead of 55 f6 and the 
cruise fuel economy will pick up from 17 mpg to about 22 mpg.
    With smaller chokes you can also use more total advance because they 
reduce the WOT cylinder filling. In full race tune on race gas the engine 
might use 32 degrees total advance, in street tune with the smaller chokes 
and pump gas you might be able to use 34 degrees total advance (but you also 
might have to be careful about any real long time full throttle use!) The 
more advance will help with better fuel economy on the street (or more 
important to me, range).
                                                                             
                    Greg Solow 


From kaskas at cox.net  Sun Sep  6 20:22:30 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:22:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>

After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet,  Mordy Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
--
Never be beaten by equipment


From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Sun Sep  6 20:30:58 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 22:30:58 EDT
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <bfe.682ca696.37d5ca62@aol.com>

That is great news and a hearty Cheers to Mordy!!  I will be rolling  out 
my 63 TR 4 after a rather extensive rebuild later this month down at Texas  
World Motor Speedway and then again in October at Hallett.
 
Kind regards & Cheers,
 
Gary Fuqua
Classic Sports Cars
Branson, MO


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Sep  7 07:46:47 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 09:46:47 EDT
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <d50.56f4616f.37d668c7@aol.com>

Congratulations to our friend Mordy!!!!  Truly deserving!
 
 
In a message dated 9/6/2009 7:23:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
kaskas at cox.net writes:

After a  thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet,  
Mordy  Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
--
Never be beaten by  equipment
You  are subscribed as  gt6steve at aol.com

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From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Sep  7 08:28:23 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 10:28:23 EDT
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <cc8.55327578.37d67287@aol.com>

In a message dated 09/06/2009 9:23:16 PM Central Daylight Time, 
kaskas at cox.net writes:


> After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet,  
> Mordy Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
> --
> 

HOORAY for Mordy.  He joins an illustrious list of past winners.  Where 
will the results for that event be posted?

Bill Dentinger


From fastrsixs at bellsouth.net  Mon Sep  7 09:01:18 2009
From: fastrsixs at bellsouth.net (fastrsixs)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 11:01:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Last Chance Items.....Moving......
References: <d50.56f4616f.37d668c7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4378648DEA3543F7BAFEA6DBE3F33C38@D23WBM51>

I have moved to VA and am making one last trip to FL. I have a good GT6 MK 
III bonnet that will go to the crusher unless some one claims it, if you are 
near the I-95 corridor I could drop it off as I am coming through if you can 
meet me near an exit. Also my TVR 2500M is not making the trip and is for 
sale. Another item of interest is a unfinished fiberglass boot lid for a 
early Spitfire. Let me know in the next two weeks if you have an interest.

Thanks,

Mike Perry
Email
fastrsixs at bellsouth.net
Web Site
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-mpperry
Message Board
http://members.boardhost.com/GT6-Spitfire 


From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Sep  7 09:25:09 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 11:25:09 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Milwaukee Mile...
Message-ID: <d4c.49a25dd7.37d67fd5@aol.com>

Amici...

Bob Wismer ran his Lola S2 in a Midwestern Council event at the Milwaukee 
Mile yesterday.  My grandson Matt and I crewed for him.  While I've lived in 
the Milwaukee area all of my life, and attended Champ car races at the Mile 
on occasion, I've never raced the road course circuit there.  An interesting 
circuit claiming ten turns, but one could argue about that.  It's mostly 
four flat, parallel straights and the turns that get you to them.  They had a 
vintage session.  Scott and Jerry Barr ran Scott's Spitfire.  It was good to 
see Jerry in the driver's seat.  He's had his helmet on the shelf for a 
spell while he mended from some foot surgery.  Son Scott wrenched at this 
event.  The car looked great and sounded very strong on the straights.  They'll 
switch positions at ROAD AMERICA next weekend for the Elkhart Lake Vintage 
Festival.

There was a sad incident in the first practice session of the day when 
Glade Snodgrass' Spitfire took a very hard hit to the wall.  Glade is a great 
racer and he goes FAST.  But a Datsun 510 had an oil filter O ring fail, thus 
messing up turn 9 at the end of the front straight for those that followed.  
It got very exciting soon thereafter.  I am sure there are lots of parts to 
salvage from the car, but like I said, it was a very hard hit, and the 
Spitfire showed it.  As they say, "It could've been worse."  And thankfully 
Glade was sore, but fine.

Bill Dentinger


From jerrybarr at charter.net  Mon Sep  7 10:16:59 2009
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 11:16:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Milwaukee Mile
Message-ID: <F8BC35D0-558A-4C66-97A6-C38E38019FE6@charter.net>

This past weekend Midwestern Council had their first race in 4 years  
at the Milwaukee Mile. We had a great time racing at a track with so  
much history. The Sports Car course uses most of the mile oval with a  
very daunting .8 mile track in the infield. Jersey barriers are every  
where because the infield portion is long and narrow; any off track  
experience usually ends up in the barriers. I race Scott's #49 Blue  
Spitfire. What a great car, so much fun to drive, handles like it is  
on rails... Except the 2 times I went 4 wheels off in the hairpin, I  
don't think I ever figured that corner out and not many found a fast  
way through it either. Glade Snodgrass's red round tail Spitfire was  
totaled in corner 1 coming off the oval when a car in front of him  
dumped it's oil on the track. Glade's car slid into the Jersey  
barriers left front corner first destroying the bonnet, frame and the  
pushing the floor pan in. John Salisbury's Bugeye Sprite got forced  
off the track and slid backwards into the barriers putting him out for  
the rest of the season. I had a great weekend and cannot stop smiling.  
Thanks MCSCC for a great weekend.


From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Sep  7 10:53:51 2009
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 11:53:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Milwaukee Mile...
References: <d4c.49a25dd7.37d67fd5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002701ca2fdb$c70cf960$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>

my first driver school was on the Milwaukee road
course.  I loved it but never got back for a race.
It is great to see it repaved and in use again.
I hope that it will be available for us for a long time.
That hairpin is a so in so.

art de armond



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillDentin at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 10:25 AM
Subject: [Fot] Milwaukee Mile...


> Amici...
>
> Bob Wismer ran his Lola S2 in a Midwestern Council event at the Milwaukee
> Mile yesterday.  My grandson Matt and I crewed for him.  While I've lived 
> in
> the Milwaukee area all of my life, and attended Champ car races at the 
> Mile
> on occasion, I've never raced the road course circuit there.  An 
> interesting
> circuit claiming ten turns, but one could argue about that.  It's mostly
> four flat, parallel straights and the turns that get you to them.  They 
> had a
> vintage session.  Scott and Jerry Barr ran Scott's Spitfire.  It was good 
> to
> see Jerry in the driver's seat.  He's had his helmet on the shelf for a
> spell while he mended from some foot surgery.  Son Scott wrenched at this
> event.  The car looked great and sounded very strong on the straights. 
> They'll
> switch positions at ROAD AMERICA next weekend for the Elkhart Lake Vintage
> Festival.
>
> There was a sad incident in the first practice session of the day when
> Glade Snodgrass' Spitfire took a very hard hit to the wall.  Glade is a 
> great
> racer and he goes FAST.  But a Datsun 510 had an oil filter O ring fail, 
> thus
> messing up turn 9 at the end of the front straight for those that 
> followed.
> It got very exciting soon thereafter.  I am sure there are lots of parts 
> to
> salvage from the car, but like I said, it was a very hard hit, and the
> Spitfire showed it.  As they say, "It could've been worse."  And 
> thankfully
> Glade was sore, but fine.
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
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From mlcooknj at msn.com  Mon Sep  7 18:42:39 2009
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 20:42:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
References: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
Message-ID: <BAY136-W10CC1B3646EB289559C31DC8EA0@phx.gbl>

congratulations to Mordy-



I hope someone got good picture on track and when the Cup was presented. I'll
be happy to cover the even in The Vintage Triumph.



 Mike Cook



> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:22:30 -0700
> From: kaskas at cox.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> CC: gt6steve at aol.com
> Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
>
> After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet, Mordy
Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
> --
> Never be beaten by equipment
>
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep  7 20:25:18 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 19:25:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] GT-Racer
Message-ID: <609032.62205.qm@web80808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Amici,

Although many were busy last Friday night at various races, I thought
I would pass along a note about a new show on Discovery HD Theater.
It is called GT-Racer, and is being shown at 8:00pm eastern. They are
covering what appears to be vintage races at different European
locations. The first show covered the LeMans Classic, and in a couple
of shots you could see the TRS in the background. Another shot also
had what appeared to be one of the Triumph vans in it.

The next episode covers Nurburging, and the episode on 9-18 covers
Mangny-Cours.

Doug


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Sep  7 22:30:24 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 21:30:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
References: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
	<BAY136-W10CC1B3646EB289559C31DC8EA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8BA92C3443F2429FA2241FEF3CC5928E@desktop>

There might be others that are better, but here's a start,
Charly Mitchel
TR6#44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "michael cook" <mlcooknj at msn.com>
To: "kas kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject)


> congratulations to Mordy-
>
>
>
> I hope someone got good picture on track and when the Cup was presented. 
> I'll
> be happy to cover the even in The Vintage Triumph.
>
>
>
> Mike Cook
>
>
>
>> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:22:30 -0700
>> From: kaskas at cox.net
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> CC: gt6steve at aol.com
>> Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
>>
>> After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet, 
>> Mordy
> Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
>> --
>> Never be beaten by equipment
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep  7 23:39:34 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 22:39:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <5ffb80570909071956p4a1b12cbr24d88625ac1d601b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <268700.87195.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Friends - especially those of you who are machinists or know a good one.  
I have an old locking differential carrier that I would like to use in a Triumph powered car that I am building.  The problem is: the side bearings have been taken on and off so many times that one side is worn to the point that it no longer holds the bearing tight. What can be done to get these bearing surfaces built back up to spec?

Any ideas?
Dennis DeLap


From 58tr3a at videotron.ca  Tue Sep  8 06:26:22 2009
From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 08:26:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
References: <268700.87195.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <525763CB9E8C48728E5BFA2BAA418C9B@Elliott>

Back in 1955 when I was 17 working at Pratt & Whitney, we would send items 
that were undersize to Plating where they would plate some "hard chrome" 
onto the areas where needed and then it went to grinding to be ground back 
within tolerance.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis DeLap" <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
To: <isoa at googlegroups.com>
Cc: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:39 AM
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker


> Friends - especially those of you who are machinists or know a good one.
> I have an old locking differential carrier that I would like to use in a 
> Triumph powered car that I am building.  The problem is: the side bearings 
> have been taken on and off so many times that one side is worn to the 
> point that it no longer holds the bearing tight. What can be done to get 
> these bearing surfaces built back up to spec?
>
> Any ideas?
> Dennis DeLap
>
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Tue Sep  8 06:34:50 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 07:34:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <268700.87195.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <5ffb80570909071956p4a1b12cbr24d88625ac1d601b@mail.gmail.com>
	<268700.87195.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0461E4B87D@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

I would check with a bearing house to see if there was a bearing available
with the right outside dimension and a smaller ID to allow for machining the
surface to match.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Dennis DeLap
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:40 AM
To: isoa at googlegroups.com
Cc: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker

Friends - especially those of you who are machinists or know a good one.
I have an old locking differential carrier that I would like to use in a
Triumph powered car that I am building.  The problem is: the side bearings
have been taken on and off so many times that one side is worn to the point
that it no longer holds the bearing tight. What can be done to get these
bearing surfaces built back up to spec?

Any ideas?
Dennis DeLap
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Sep  8 07:19:57 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 13:19:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <268700.87195.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1927250541.1762711252415997645.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Dennis

Flame Spray will restore the shaft. The process was originally designed to
restore turbine shafts.

http://www.flamespraydenver.com/ B B  Try this link.



Jim G.






----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis DeLap" <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
To: isoa at googlegroups.com
Cc: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2009 11:39:34 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker

Friends - especially those of you who are machinists or know a good one. B 
I have an old locking differential carrier that I would like to use in a
Triumph powered car that I am building. B The problem is: the side bearings
have been taken on and off so many times that one side is worn to the point
that it no longer holds the bearing tight. What can be done to get these
bearing surfaces built back up to spec?

Any ideas?
Dennis DeLap
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From mlcooknj at msn.com  Tue Sep  8 07:55:44 2009
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:55:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <8BA92C3443F2429FA2241FEF3CC5928E@desktop>
References: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
	<BAY136-W10CC1B3646EB289559C31DC8EA0@phx.gbl>
	<8BA92C3443F2429FA2241FEF3CC5928E@desktop>
Message-ID: <BAY136-W5DE2432209DCE55F7FAF3C8EA0@phx.gbl>

A VERY good start Charly. Thanks!



Mike

> From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com
> To: mlcooknj at msn.com; kaskas at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject)
> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 21:30:24 -0700
>
> There might be others that are better, but here's a start,
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6#44
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "michael cook" <mlcooknj at msn.com>
> To: "kas kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject)
>
>
> > congratulations to Mordy-
> >
> >
> >
> > I hope someone got good picture on track and when the Cup was presented.
> > I'll
> > be happy to cover the even in The Vintage Triumph.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike Cook
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:22:30 -0700
> >> From: kaskas at cox.net
> >> To: fot at autox.team.net
> >> CC: gt6steve at aol.com
> >> Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
> >>
> >> After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet,
> >> Mordy
> > Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
> >> --
> >> Never be beaten by equipment
> >>
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> >>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Tue Sep  8 10:30:18 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:30:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <268700.87195.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090908163017968.JRXW29089@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>

> What can be done to get these 
> bearing surfaces built back up to spec?

There are several Loctite products designed for this purpose.  I've had good
luck with RC609, though not on a diff.  RC603 might be a better choice,
though, as it's supposedly stronger and tolerates contamination better.
http://207.250.200.229:8080/1/doc?id=26269
http://tinyurl.com/n9276o

Randall


From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Sep  8 17:27:44 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 16:27:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] The"K" cup race in Portland
Message-ID: <20090908192744.PE72T.105205.imail@fed1rmwml45>

The race was hot. Here are the race results:
1   Tom Kreger  TR-6   (very very close race)  2006 cup winner
2.   Tony Garmy  TR-250K                                2008 cup Winner
3.   Bill Babcock- Peyote            50th birthday for this well turned out racer
4   Mordy Dunst   Tr-4                                     (2009 "K" cup winner)
5   Jeff quick   TR-4      The name says it,  My team raced against this car years and years ago
6   Tony Drews   TR-4 (fast in the wet too)
7   John Frymark  TR-4
8   Greg Hilyer   Tr-4   some problems along the way, but a racer
9   Bill Hart   Devon TR-4  (very nice car, good guy  ,brought many great cars to the track)
10   Paul Smock   TR-4
11   John James   TR-4
12   Jim Norlin   Spitfire 1300, fast all weekend
13   Charley Mitchell   TR-6, great looking car
14.   Chuck Gee Spitfire,  2008 Cup winner, recovering from first lap crash in practice to later turn top times   
15   Peter Jeffery   TR-3B
16   Alan Mizutani  Spitfire 1147
17   Mark York  TR-3 1957
18   Steve Hare  Spitfire  1147
19  Butch Gilbert  Vitesse  (ex Kastner/ Brophy racer) Something broke
20 Jerry Barker  Herald  another broken gearbox 

Fastest lap by Tony Garmey  TR-250 K, brought to the event by owner,  Bill Hart.  

Great race with the first two overall within a car length or less at the finish and trading positions every lap it seemed. Terrific turnout with 20 cars in the all Triumph "CUP" race. All RACERS. Lots of individual races going on in the event, all in all, just a great event sponsered by SOVREN, folks who cared we were there. Thank you SOVREN.

Thanks to all for this just wonderful event.



--
Never be beaten by equipment


From adams910 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  8 17:37:29 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:37:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] The"K" cup race in Portland
In-Reply-To: <20090908192744.PE72T.105205.imail@fed1rmwml45>
References: <20090908192744.PE72T.105205.imail@fed1rmwml45>
Message-ID: <673993c50909081637u76612ea0k91f3aa2bd82a0e04@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like a great event.
Here are some photos I found online..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimculp/sets/72157622278083714/

Bob Adams

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:

> The race was hot. Here are the race results:
> 1   Tom Kreger  TR-6   (very very close race)  2006 cup winner
> 2.   Tony Garmy  TR-250K                                2008 cup Winner
> 3.   Bill Babcock- Peyote            50th birthday for this well turned out
> racer
> 4   Mordy Dunst   Tr-4                                     (2009 "K" cup
> winner)
> 5   Jeff quick   TR-4      The name says it,  My team raced against this
> car years and years ago
> 6   Tony Drews   TR-4 (fast in the wet too)
> 7   John Frymark  TR-4
> 8   Greg Hilyer   Tr-4   some problems along the way, but a racer
> 9   Bill Hart   Devon TR-4  (very nice car, good guy  ,brought many great
> cars to the track)
> 10   Paul Smock   TR-4
> 11   John James   TR-4
> 12   Jim Norlin   Spitfire 1300, fast all weekend
> 13   Charley Mitchell   TR-6, great looking car
> 14.   Chuck Gee Spitfire,  2008 Cup winner, recovering from first lap crash
> in practice to later turn top times
> 15   Peter Jeffery   TR-3B
> 16   Alan Mizutani  Spitfire 1147
> 17   Mark York  TR-3 1957
> 18   Steve Hare  Spitfire  1147
> 19  Butch Gilbert  Vitesse  (ex Kastner/ Brophy racer) Something broke
> 20 Jerry Barker  Herald  another broken gearbox
>
> Fastest lap by Tony Garmey  TR-250 K, brought to the event by owner,  Bill
> Hart.
>
> Great race with the first two overall within a car length or less at the
> finish and trading positions every lap it seemed. Terrific turnout with 20
> cars in the all Triumph "CUP" race. All RACERS. Lots of individual races
> going on in the event, all in all, just a great event sponsered by SOVREN,
> folks who cared we were there. Thank you SOVREN.
>
> Thanks to all for this just wonderful event.
>
>
>
> --
> Never be beaten by equipment
>
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Sep  8 20:03:29 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:03:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
References: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
	<BAY136-W10CC1B3646EB289559C31DC8EA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A8FC379E289E44509C43CDEB9DB24CF6@desktop>

 found another you may like more.
Charly
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "michael cook" <mlcooknj at msn.com>
To: "kas kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject)


> congratulations to Mordy-
>
>
>
> I hope someone got good picture on track and when the Cup was presented. 
> I'll
> be happy to cover the even in The Vintage Triumph.
>
>
>
> Mike Cook
>
>
>
>> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:22:30 -0700
>> From: kaskas at cox.net
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> CC: gt6steve at aol.com
>> Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
>>
>> After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet, 
>> Mordy
> Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
>> --
>> Never be beaten by equipment
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Sep  8 20:06:27 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:06:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
References: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
	<BAY136-W10CC1B3646EB289559C31DC8EA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <B4E54807AA624C548C95D1B5B4E0A320@desktop>

Here's one of the cars and drivers.
Charly
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "michael cook" <mlcooknj at msn.com>
To: "kas kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject)


> congratulations to Mordy-
>
>
>
> I hope someone got good picture on track and when the Cup was presented. 
> I'll
> be happy to cover the even in The Vintage Triumph.
>
>
>
> Mike Cook
>
>
>
>> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:22:30 -0700
>> From: kaskas at cox.net
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> CC: gt6steve at aol.com
>> Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
>>
>> After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet, 
>> Mordy
> Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
>> --
>> Never be beaten by equipment
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Sep  8 20:13:41 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:13:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
References: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
	<BAY136-W10CC1B3646EB289559C31DC8EA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6B093D6C194D4D2FA83C56794E044E37@desktop>

The only one I could find with Mordy on the track.
Charly
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "michael cook" <mlcooknj at msn.com>
To: "kas kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject)


> congratulations to Mordy-
>
>
>
> I hope someone got good picture on track and when the Cup was presented. 
> I'll
> be happy to cover the even in The Vintage Triumph.
>
>
>
> Mike Cook
>
>
>
>> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:22:30 -0700
>> From: kaskas at cox.net
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> CC: gt6steve at aol.com
>> Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
>>
>> After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet, 
>> Mordy
> Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
>> --
>> Never be beaten by equipment
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Sep  8 20:25:07 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:25:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Portland Event
Message-ID: <4AA71203.1030708@bradakis.com>

Sigh.  I realized the other night while sitting at home being miserable 
that I could
have been just as miserable watching the racing at Portland.  Drat.  Of 
course, Tony
D. might not have appreciated my company en route.  Oh well.

Congrats to Mordy.

And as a reminder, one cannot send photos to Team.Net email lists.  Well, in
truth you *can* send them, but they get filtered out.  Sign up for an 
account at
http://www.team.net/forums and post all the pictures your heart desires.

mjb.


From triosan at gmail.com  Tue Sep  8 21:33:18 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 20:33:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
References: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909082033ubceb8fcy7732944f4a021a09@mail.gmail.com>

I have posted my pictures of Mordy racing and getting the Cup on picasa web
at:

http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/MortyDunstAtKAsterCup2009#

fell free to use if wanted.

I have many more pictures of everybody racing and with their cars.
Will do some editing and then post them.

Great weekend for all but Allen Weins who did pretty bad damage to his
Spit.  [Well, Butch Gilbert in the Kastner-Brophy Vitesse and Jerry
Barker in the Herald probably did not have the greatest time].

I was totally impressed with how everyone helped whenever needed to
keep cars going.  Peyote caught the wheel of a V and needed a lot of
metal bending.  Tony Garmey, Bill, and Garmey's right handman Daryll
got it looking like nothing ever happened.

The cup race with Garmey in the 250 and Krierer in his 6 was
incredibe.  They danced with each other, changing positions
frequently.  Tony was leading coming out of the final turn -- think
they tried to tie.  Krieger "won" by .05 seconds [about 9 feet at 120
mph which probably was the speed they crossed start-finish at.

On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Kas Kastner<kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
> After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the wet,
 Mordy Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
> --
> Never be beaten by equipment
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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Chuck Arnold


From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Wed Sep  9 04:47:34 2009
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 06:47:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon
Message-ID: <A8AC5039E4F14500B8E8B0C21AF4CD66@userb38463fba5>

I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to the FOT. Some of you may have met Mike while
at Portland this past weekend. Mike is the son in law of a good friend here in
Ohio and comes from a family with Goodyear Racing Tire background. His father
was very involved with Goodyear's Racing Tire program for much of his Goodyear
career and I believe was the Director of the program before he retired. Mike
is building a car that has a long history of racing in the Mid-west and was
rebuilt by Bill Lynn of VTR fame a number of years ago.

I'll let Mike introduce himself once he's confirmed.

Mike's e-mail address is mike.mehl at yahoo.com

Can I see a second please.

Jerry Van Vlack


From markjwea at msn.com  Wed Sep  9 05:17:13 2009
From: markjwea at msn.com (MARK J WEATHERS)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 12:17:13 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <268700.87195.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Dennis, it is common in aerospace engines to bore the housing and sleeve the
bore with a liner. Press fit the sleeve and final machine to size and
concentricity between the sides. A good local machine shop should be able to
do this. You will need to evaluate the potential weakening of the housing by
taking out material. Grind-chrome-grind is also an option as someone else
mentioned but likely expensive due to the difficulties of grinding a housing.
This approach is commonly  used for shafts.



Mark  Weathers

> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 22:39:34 -0700
> From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net
> To: isoa at googlegroups.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
>
> Friends - especially those of you who are machinists or know a good one.
> I have an old locking differential carrier that I would like to use in a
Triumph powered car that I am building. The problem is: the side bearings have
been taken on and off so many times that one side is worn to the point that it
no longer holds the bearing tight. What can be done to get these bearing
surfaces built back up to spec?
>
> Any ideas?
> Dennis DeLap
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Sep  9 06:29:52 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 07:29:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon
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Second!  Mike sounds like a good addition to the group.

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:48 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: Mike Mehl
Subject: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon

I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to the FOT. Some of you may have met Mike
while
at Portland this past weekend. Mike is the son in law of a good friend
here in
Ohio and comes from a family with Goodyear Racing Tire background. His
father
was very involved with Goodyear's Racing Tire program for much of his
Goodyear
career and I believe was the Director of the program before he retired.
Mike
is building a car that has a long history of racing in the Mid-west and
was
rebuilt by Bill Lynn of VTR fame a number of years ago.

I'll let Mike introduce himself once he's confirmed.

Mike's e-mail address is mike.mehl at yahoo.com

Can I see a second please.

Jerry Van Vlack
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Sep  9 09:17:30 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 10:17:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <20090908163017968.JRXW29089@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>
References: <20090908163017968.JRXW29089@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>
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This a poor boy approach that some of you will scoff at, but I've done 
it and it works.  Have you ever heard of a "strawberry fit"?  Peck 
around on the surface with a punch, then use loctite sleeve retainer as 
Randall suggested.  This is not a good approach if you're planing to 
take the bearing off many more times.  In that case, you might be able 
to turn the surface down to the size of a different bearing, or you 
could turn it down and sleeve it back to size.
Larry

Randall wrote:
>> What can be done to get these 
>> bearing surfaces built back up to spec?
>>     
>
> There are several Loctite products designed for this purpose.  I've had good
> luck with RC609, though not on a diff.  RC603 might be a better choice,
> though, as it's supposedly stronger and tolerates contamination better.
> http://207.250.200.229:8080/1/doc?id=26269
> http://tinyurl.com/n9276o
>
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From dave at microworks.net  Wed Sep  9 09:20:02 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 08:20:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
Message-ID: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>

SRF flips trying to pass a TR6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic


From billb at bnj.com  Wed Sep  9 09:41:08 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 08:41:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
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Wow, I've tried some low margin passes myself, but that one looked  
downright boneheaded.  Looked like he would have been completely happy  
with shoving both cars off into the dirt.

On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:20 AM, David W. Riddle wrote:

> SRF flips trying to pass a TR6
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
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From andre at gt6.ca  Wed Sep  9 09:46:35 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:46:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <6C8EF59D-9FAC-49F8-B4A7-8AFFA8DB7D5A@bnj.com>
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Oh wow.

I'm sure the TR6 sustained a fair bit of damage too.

A.

2009/9/9 Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>:
> Wow, I've tried some low margin passes myself, but that one looked
downright
> boneheaded.  Looked like he would have been completely happy with shoving
> both cars off into the dirt.
>
> On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:20 AM, David W. Riddle wrote:
>
>> SRF flips trying to pass a TR6
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
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From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Sep  9 09:49:54 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:49:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <6C8EF59D-9FAC-49F8-B4A7-8AFFA8DB7D5A@bnj.com>
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But how did the TR6 turn out?


On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote:

> Wow, I've tried some low margin passes myself, but that one looked
> downright boneheaded.  Looked like he would have been completely happy with
> shoving both cars off into the dirt.
>
> On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:20 AM, David W. Riddle wrote:
>
>  SRF flips trying to pass a TR6
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
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From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Sep  9 09:50:31 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 08:50:31 -0700
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909090850w6aafcbcfp6de90926e09af271@mail.gmail.com>

So,would you post that video?  Sounded like it was a female driver,
not that that matters.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:20 AM, David W. Riddle <dave at microworks.net> wrote:
> SRF flips trying to pass a TR6
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Wed Sep  9 09:57:09 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:57:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
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I was watching the race from just after turn four.  This happened on  
the main straight well before turn 1.  It's a pretty wide road but I  
don't recall seeing passing three abreast, and not down the middle!   
It was a funny mix of cars, with a large spec racer ford field and a  
large FP field on the track at the same time during the MARRS double  
regionals this past weekend.  Widely disparate speeds and lots of  
close action.  Didn't miss a couple of SRF not coming around again,  
there were so many, and I guess I missed the TR6, unless it kept going.

On Sep 9, 2009, at 11:20 AM, David W. Riddle wrote:

SRF flips trying to pass a TR6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
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From gasket.works at verizon.net  Wed Sep  9 09:55:38 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 08:55:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
	<6C8EF59D-9FAC-49F8-B4A7-8AFFA8DB7D5A@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <011e01ca3166$705b3050$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

It seems this pass was likely not needed at this particular portion of the 
race. It is  three std deviations away from standard. I hope the 
underwriters don't see this.  I have made some tough passes as well but, 
never like this.

I think the chief steward probalbly talked to this individual.  My guess is 
a (hopefully) very long suspension.

Did I hear correctly... at the end the sound of a female voice seems to be 
comming from the car when aske if "OK".


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From adams910 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  9 10:15:34 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 12:15:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <011e01ca3166$705b3050$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
	<6C8EF59D-9FAC-49F8-B4A7-8AFFA8DB7D5A@bnj.com>
	<011e01ca3166$705b3050$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
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That looks like Rob Dardano's TR6. He is (or was?) on the FOT list.

Summit Point seems to have a disproportionate amount of carnage. The
MARRS guys came up to NJMP twice this summer and they had no major incidents
and were for the most part clean, yet at almost every race at Summit this
year, there have been some HUGE wrecks.

That being said, in no way am I blaming the track, just making an
observation. That was 100% on the overtaking driver and she could have just
as easily backed off a bit and tucked in behind the other SRF.

Bob


From billb at bnj.com  Wed Sep  9 10:22:28 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:22:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0909090850w6aafcbcfp6de90926e09af271@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
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Oh, I'd absolutely post it.

I'm not sure it was a female--hanging from your seat belts raises the  
voice a few octaves, as probably does flying through the air in a half  
gainer.

On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Chuck Arnold wrote:

> So,would you post that video?  Sounded like it was a female driver,
> not that that matters.
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:20 AM, David W. Riddle  
> <dave at microworks.net> wrote:
>> SRF flips trying to pass a TR6
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
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From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Sep  9 10:28:53 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:28:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <F52C05AF5A714BAD9A7915F36224F5CB@joepentiumnew>

Makes one wonder what the TR6 she hit before flipping looks like after the
crash?

I kept waiting for the driver to say, "That sucks", right Tony?

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 8:20 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net; W2W
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass

SRF flips trying to pass a TR6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
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From dave at microworks.net  Wed Sep  9 10:34:37 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 09:34:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: [WtW] Re: How not to pass
Message-ID: <20090909163614.31DEA187643@autox.team.net>

Comment from the driver of the SRF on another list that I sent the link too.

>Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:04:37 -0400
>From: Elizabeth Miller <eracer at IdRatherNotSay.com>
>>
>The driver is fine, thanks.  :-)  Bit of a sore neck the next day, 
>but that didn't keep me from renting a car to race.  Had to start 
>from the back of the grid, of course, but worked my way from 20th to 
>6th in 16 laps.  /bragging
>
>Fun weekend.  Don't think I want to do it again, though.
>
>The video is pretty boring after that.  A few more seconds of "you okay?"
>before the car gets put on it's side, knocking the camera loose, and then
>they hit the master switch and it's done.


From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Sat Sep 12 10:27:32 2009
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:27:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <4362ae390909090846g215214fxd72de4a99ce66631@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net><6C8EF59D-9FAC-49F8-B4A7-8AFFA8DB7D5A@bnj.com>
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Its my 6.  The srf's must have been on radio and hit  the gas for the 
restart because they can not see the green from were they started to hit the 
gas They even had a jump on me because I was working on site only. We were 
on a restart for a 2 lap shoot out to make the race legal from an earlier 
race delay. A minor but messy black flag
  My damage  started on the rocker and road into the  fender. not to bad 
When the wheels touched the car just took off.  She Elizabeth Miller is one 
of the better surf drivers in the DC region  Pulling in on black flag all is 
always better when you don't have first hand knowledge of the incident. She 
is fine  probably a little sore today  production and surf's never mix well 
.
You should be able to see pix.s of a busted  weld and a ground down to 
almost nothing main hoop, on   pheno.smugmug.com  in a day or so. all in all 
it was a good weekend       rob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
To: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] How not to pass


> Oh wow.
>
> I'm sure the TR6 sustained a fair bit of damage too.
>
> A.
>
> 2009/9/9 Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>:
>> Wow, I've tried some low margin passes myself, but that one looked
> downright
>> boneheaded.  Looked like he would have been completely happy with shoving
>> both cars off into the dirt.
>>
>> On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:20 AM, David W. Riddle wrote:
>>
>>> SRF flips trying to pass a TR6
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
>>>
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From cak at dimebank.com  Wed Sep  9 13:11:05 2009
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 12:11:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] GT6/Spit diff parts
Message-ID: <200909091911.n89JB4Nu012042@moose.dimebank.com>

I dropped the diff in my '70 GT6+, to discover that its a Spitfire case, 
serial FH8xxx ... now I'm trying to figure out where to find the proper
seal and bearing part numbers.

Is this a 1300 to early-1500 diff? It's easy to find Spit chassis number
ranges, but not so much for the diff range :-)

Is there some characteristic measurement I can make to be sure?

Thanks,
chris


From fasttrs at mindspring.com  Wed Sep  9 13:11:39 2009
From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 15:11:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass(Igot hit too)
Message-ID: <1391.1252523499429.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I was taken out this past weekend as well. A Spec Recker Ford dive bombed me and another driver in the cork screw at Barber Motorsports park. I was on the outside of the turn so I was the one that got hit. It broke something in the rear end so i only had drive from the left rear. I tried to drive for 3 laps but it was too much of a handfull and decided to stop so I wouldn't wreck. I am going to write a letter to the race chair and see if something can't be done. I will suggest putting the Smash Miata's and the SRF together and let them whale away on each other!!!

Mike

-----Original Message-----
>From: Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>
>Sent: Sep 12, 2009 12:27 PM
>To: Andre Rousseau <andre at gt6.ca>, Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
>Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] How not to pass
>
>Its my 6.  The srf's must have been on radio and hit  the gas for the 
>restart because they can not see the green from were they started to hit the 
>gas They even had a jump on me because I was working on site only. We were 
>on a restart for a 2 lap shoot out to make the race legal from an earlier 
>race delay. A minor but messy black flag
>  My damage  started on the rocker and road into the  fender. not to bad 
>When the wheels touched the car just took off.  She Elizabeth Miller is one 
>of the better surf drivers in the DC region  Pulling in on black flag all is 
>always better when you don't have first hand knowledge of the incident. She 
>is fine  probably a little sore today  production and surf's never mix well 
>.
>You should be able to see pix.s of a busted  weld and a ground down to 
>almost nothing main hoop, on   pheno.smugmug.com  in a day or so. all in all 
>it was a good weekend       rob
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
>To: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
>Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 11:46 AM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] How not to pass
>
>
>> Oh wow.
>>
>> I'm sure the TR6 sustained a fair bit of damage too.
>>
>> A.
>>
>> 2009/9/9 Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>:
>>> Wow, I've tried some low margin passes myself, but that one looked
>> downright
>>> boneheaded.  Looked like he would have been completely happy with shoving
>>> both cars off into the dirt.
>>>
>>> On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:20 AM, David W. Riddle wrote:
>>>
>>>> SRF flips trying to pass a TR6
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5Y7Nl2Bic
>>>>
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed Sep  9 13:28:43 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 12:28:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CRC
Message-ID: <F19B6077-1F49-4157-A08F-B3E91102C0A8@bnj.com>

Naturally since the CRC weekend is over we're having crystal blue  
skies with a few high clouds and cool air that would be idea for  
making ponies.  I always consider September to be the Northwest's  
summer, but it fooled us this year. Still, a fine time, so great to  
see all of you. Special thanks to the large contingent of California  
Triumph races. It was nice to put some faces to all those email  
addresses.  Alan, sorry about your car, and thanks for the meatball  
sub. That one wall has collected a lot of paint over the years. You're  
in good company, I saw Michael Andretti turn a car back into a kit of  
parts in exactly the same spot once.

I didn't get many pictures--too busy banging aluminum flat and whining  
about the weather. I'd like to get all I can to populate the CRC  
website. If you have any to share I'd greatly appreciate it. Either  
email them to me or send me a link to an online gallery and I can  
swipe them from wherever they stand.

Sure was great to see Mordy get the Kastner cup. He surprised the heck  
out of me running up on Peyote like that. I had to work my tail off to  
stay in front of him. Great car and a great drive.

Another special thanks to our midwest contingent. I didn't get to  
spend much time with Tony Drews, and Monday, when it was all over I  
was walking over to chat and saw his van and trailer headed out the  
gate!  Safe drive, Tony. Hope you had a good time and thanks for  
making that long haul. Joe Alexander  kind of quietly slipped away  
too--I wasn't the only one looking to say 'bye. I had a bunch of  
people come to my paddock looking for him.

I think I got to chat with most folks, though as usual, I was  
distracted by a lot of stuff, and as the poster boy for ADD,  
distracting me is easy. What was I saying...oh, look, a butterfly.  
Anyway, fun racing with all of you.

Bill


From herald948 at aol.com  Wed Sep  9 14:31:28 2009
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:31:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6/Spit diff parts
In-Reply-To: <200909091911.n89JB4Nu012042@moose.dimebank.com>
References: <200909091911.n89JB4Nu012042@moose.dimebank.com>
Message-ID: <8CBFFA3A4E774BB-2F04-4946@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Kantarjiev <cak at dimebank.com>










I dropped the diff in my '70 GT6+, to discover that its a Spitfire case, 
serial FH8xxx ... now I'm trying to figure out where to find the proper
seal and bearing part numbers.

Is this a 1300 to early-1500 diff? It's easy to find Spit chassis number
ranges, but not so much for the diff range :-)

==AM==
Chris, that is a MkIV/1500 Spitfire case. There's a great table of serial number prefixes from Club Triumph at

<http://club.triumph.org.uk/prefix1.htm>


--Andy Mace


From mdporter at dfn.com  Wed Sep  9 14:39:04 2009
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:39:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <E3BFC16E216F4C68988B7063F3CD63BD@INSPIRON>
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net><6C8EF59D-9FAC-49F8-B4A7-8AFFA8DB7D5A@bnj.com>
	<4362ae390909090846g215214fxd72de4a99ce66631@mail.gmail.com>
	<E3BFC16E216F4C68988B7063F3CD63BD@INSPIRON>
Message-ID: <4AA81268.1040005@dfn.com>

Rob wrote:
>   She Elizabeth Miller is one of the better surf drivers in the DC region

Ah, any bets then that she'd tried that move before and gotten away with it?


I worked for a roundy-rounder driver in Florida who got his first win as 
a rookie when two cars kissed in front of him at the finish, and as they 
rebounded off each other and scrubbed off speed (as he admitted to me 
later), he just closed his eyes and shot the gap between them.
 

The next time it happened, the next season, he was a little cocky, and 
ran up the back of one of the cars in front of him at the finish, which 
caused his car to do a triple pirouette on its nose across the finish 
line (the tail of the car clipped off a flag on the flagman's tower that 
extended out over the edge of the track), and went end over end five 
times off of turn one.


Roundy-rounding in Florida is not so much racin' as it is egos on wheels. :)


Cheers.

-- 


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Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Wed Sep  9 14:41:47 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:41:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74014EC63D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <D98DC5E743B2445FB630AEC2FD9F251F@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Second as well.  I'm surprised he's not already on the list.  I nominated
him last June and I know there were a few seconds.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:30 AM
To: Jerry Van Vlack
Cc: mike.mehl at yahoo.com; Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon


Second!  Mike sounds like a good addition to the group.

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:48 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: Mike Mehl
Subject: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon

I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to the FOT. Some of you may have met Mike
while at Portland this past weekend. Mike is the son in law of a good friend
here in Ohio and comes from a family with Goodyear Racing Tire background.
His father was very involved with Goodyear's Racing Tire program for much of
his Goodyear career and I believe was the Director of the program before he
retired. Mike is building a car that has a long history of racing in the
Mid-west and was rebuilt by Bill Lynn of VTR fame a number of years ago.

I'll let Mike introduce himself once he's confirmed.

Mike's e-mail address is mike.mehl at yahoo.com

Can I see a second please.

Jerry Van Vlack
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From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Sep  9 14:57:04 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 16:57:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] CRC
In-Reply-To: <F19B6077-1F49-4157-A08F-B3E91102C0A8@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <20090909165704.0CD1R.120353.imail@fed1rmwml45>

And, thanks to Bill for a grand party for his 50 year old racer.  Good time, Bill.
---- Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote: 

=============
Naturally since the CRC weekend is over we're having crystal blue  
skies with a few high clouds and cool air that would be idea for  
making ponies.  I always consider September to be the Northwest's  
summer, but it fooled us this year. Still, a fine time, so great to  
see all of you. Special thanks to the large contingent of California  
Triumph races. It was nice to put some faces to all those email  
addresses.  Alan, sorry about your car, and thanks for the meatball  
sub. That one wall has collected a lot of paint over the years. You're  
in good company, I saw Michael Andretti turn a car back into a kit of  
parts in exactly the same spot once.

I didn't get many pictures--too busy banging aluminum flat and whining  
about the weather. I'd like to get all I can to populate the CRC  
website. If you have any to share I'd greatly appreciate it. Either  
email them to me or send me a link to an online gallery and I can  
swipe them from wherever they stand.

Sure was great to see Mordy get the Kastner cup. He surprised the heck  
out of me running up on Peyote like that. I had to work my tail off to  
stay in front of him. Great car and a great drive.

Another special thanks to our midwest contingent. I didn't get to  
spend much time with Tony Drews, and Monday, when it was all over I  
was walking over to chat and saw his van and trailer headed out the  
gate!  Safe drive, Tony. Hope you had a good time and thanks for  
making that long haul. Joe Alexander  kind of quietly slipped away  
too--I wasn't the only one looking to say 'bye. I had a bunch of  
people come to my paddock looking for him.

I think I got to chat with most folks, though as usual, I was  
distracted by a lot of stuff, and as the poster boy for ADD,  
distracting me is easy. What was I saying...oh, look, a butterfly.  
Anyway, fun racing with all of you.

Bill
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From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Sep  9 15:14:01 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:14:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <4AA7C70A.9050501@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <20090909171401.X2U5Z.120793.imail@fed1rmwml45>

I have also done this type fit many times with center punch and hammer.
---- Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote: 

=============
This a poor boy approach that some of you will scoff at, but I've done 
it and it works.  Have you ever heard of a "strawberry fit"?  Peck 
around on the surface with a punch, then use loctite sleeve retainer as 
Randall suggested.  This is not a good approach if you're planing to 
take the bearing off many more times.  In that case, you might be able 
to turn the surface down to the size of a different bearing, or you 
could turn it down and sleeve it back to size.
Larry

Randall wrote:
>> What can be done to get these 
>> bearing surfaces built back up to spec?
>>     
>
> There are several Loctite products designed for this purpose.  I've had good
> luck with RC609, though not on a diff.  RC603 might be a better choice,
> though, as it's supposedly stronger and tolerates contamination better.
> http://207.250.200.229:8080/1/doc?id=26269
> http://tinyurl.com/n9276o
>
> Randall
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Sep  9 17:51:58 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:51:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] CRC
In-Reply-To: <F19B6077-1F49-4157-A08F-B3E91102C0A8@bnj.com>
References: <F19B6077-1F49-4157-A08F-B3E91102C0A8@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <8CBFFBFA6F63A92-1A10-14944@webmail-m059.sysops.aol.com>

THANKS FOR A GREAT WEEKEND, BILL!!



It was wonderful!



Of course I didnt have to run in the rain.



It was good to be with everyone and not have all of the distractions.



Now en route in Montana after one night near Mt. Hood and one night in northern Idaho.



Heartland Park in TOPEKA, KS next August should be a good one, too.



Jan & Joe








-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 2:28 pm
Subject: [Fot] CRC



Naturally since the CRC weekend is over we're having crystal blue skies with a few high clouds and cool air that would be idea for making ponies. I always consider September to be the Northwest's summer, but it fooled us this year. Still, a fine time, so great to see all of you. Special thanks to the large contingent of California Triumph races. It was nice to put some faces to all those email addresses. Alan, sorry about your car, and thanks for the meatball sub. That one wall has collected a lot of paint over the years. You're in good company, I saw Michael Andretti turn a car back into a kit of parts in exactly the same spot once.?
?
I didn't get many pictures--too busy banging aluminum flat and whining about the weather. I'd like to get all I can to populate the CRC website. If you have any to share I'd greatly appreciate it. Either email them to me or send me a link to an online gallery and I can swipe them from wherever they stand.?
?
Sure was great to see Mordy get the Kastner cup. He surprised the heck out of me running up on Peyote like that. I had to work my tail off to stay in front of him. Great car and a great drive.?
?
Another special thanks to our midwest contingent. I didn't get to spend much time with Tony Drews, and Monday, when it was all over I was walking over to chat and saw his van and trailer headed out the gate! Safe drive, Tony. Hope you had a good time and thanks for making that long haul. Joe Alexander kind of quietly slipped away too--I wasn't the only one looking to say 'bye. I had a bunch of people come to my paddock looking for him.?
?
I think I got to chat with most folks, though as usual, I was distracted by a lot of stuff, and as the poster boy for ADD, distracting me is easy. What was I saying...oh, look, a butterfly. Anyway, fun racing with all of you.?
?
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Sep  9 17:56:06 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:56:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <20090909171401.X2U5Z.120793.imail@fed1rmwml45>
Message-ID: <8CBFFC03AE0EDEE-1A10-149F0@webmail-m059.sysops.aol.com>

I have also done the hammer and punch approach, but was always afraid to admit it.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net>
To: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>; Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: 'FOT' <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker



I have also done this type fit many times with center punch and hammer.
---- Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote: 

=============
This a poor boy approach that some of you will scoff at, but I've done 
it and it works.  Have you ever heard of a "strawberry fit"?  Peck 
around on the surface with a punch, then use loctite sleeve retainer as 
Randall suggested.  This is not a good approach if you're planing to 
take the bearing off many more times.  In that case, you might be able 
to turn the surface down to the size of a different bearing, or you 
could turn it down and sleeve it back to size.
Larry

Randall wrote:
>> What can be done to get these 
>> bearing surfaces built back up to spec?
>>     
>
> There are several Loctite products designed for this purpose.  I've had good
> luck with RC609, though not on a diff.  RC603 might be a better choice,
> though, as it's supposedly stronger and tolerates contamination better.
> http://207.250.200.229:8080/1/doc?id=26269
> http://tinyurl.com/n9276o
>
> Randall
>
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Wed Sep  9 18:03:22 2009
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 20:03:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon
References: <D98DC5E743B2445FB630AEC2FD9F251F@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <231594DCF6B34E279104EC5B56C9494A@userb38463fba5>

I recall that as well but he wrote to me saying that he was not receiving 
any of the e-mails. So I asked for him again.
I trust that Mark will include him if he has not already done so and there 
is some glich somewhere.
JVV
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: "'Barr, Scott'" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>; "'Jerry Van Vlack'" 
<jerryvv at roadrunner.com>
Cc: <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon


Second as well.  I'm surprised he's not already on the list.  I nominated
him last June and I know there were a few seconds.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:30 AM
To: Jerry Van Vlack
Cc: mike.mehl at yahoo.com; Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon


Second!  Mike sounds like a good addition to the group.

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:48 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: Mike Mehl
Subject: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon

I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to the FOT. Some of you may have met Mike
while at Portland this past weekend. Mike is the son in law of a good friend
here in Ohio and comes from a family with Goodyear Racing Tire background.
His father was very involved with Goodyear's Racing Tire program for much of
his Goodyear career and I believe was the Director of the program before he
retired. Mike is building a car that has a long history of racing in the
Mid-west and was rebuilt by Bill Lynn of VTR fame a number of years ago.

I'll let Mike introduce himself once he's confirmed.

Mike's e-mail address is mike.mehl at yahoo.com

Can I see a second please.

Jerry Van Vlack
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Wed Sep  9 18:23:25 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:23:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] How not to pass
In-Reply-To: <E3BFC16E216F4C68988B7063F3CD63BD@INSPIRON>
References: <20090909152519.33BFC187658@autox.team.net><6C8EF59D-9FAC-49F8-B4A7-8AFFA8DB7D5A@bnj.com>
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	<E3BFC16E216F4C68988B7063F3CD63BD@INSPIRON>
Message-ID: <4AA846FD.7020201@141.com>

I am astounded that driver was allowed to rent a car and run again that 
weekend. CVAR would have sent her home after having a few words with her 
about her choice of action in that situation. From what I could see of 
the situation in her camera the SRF on the right was wavering in and out 
of his line and would have concerned me enough to hold off and get past 
him later.

Thankfully you are okay, Rob, and she didn't take anyone else out, 
although any damage to your car is bad enough. I hope you are able to 
repair it quickly and get back on the track soon!

Keep Triumphing,
Susan     :)


Rob wrote:
> Its my 6.  The srf's must have been on radio and hit  the gas for the 
> restart because they can not see the green from were they started to 
> hit the gas They even had a jump on me because I was working on site 
> only. We were on a restart for a 2 lap shoot out to make the race 
> legal from an earlier race delay. A minor but messy black flag
>  My damage  started on the rocker and road into the  fender. not to 
> bad When the wheels touched the car just took off.  She Elizabeth 
> Miller is one of the better surf drivers in the DC region  Pulling in 
> on black flag all is always better when you don't have first hand 
> knowledge of the incident. She is fine  probably a little sore today  
> production and surf's never mix well .
> You should be able to see pix.s of a busted  weld and a ground down to 
> almost nothing main hoop, on   pheno.smugmug.com  in a day or so. all 
> in all it was a good weekend       rob
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
> To: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 11:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] How not to pass
>
>

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From gasket.works at verizon.net  Wed Sep  9 18:44:44 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:44:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CRC
References: <20090909165704.0CD1R.120353.imail@fed1rmwml45>
Message-ID: <001b01ca31af$e429c160$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

All:

 What a blast.  I'd do it again ... as soon as I can get some parts.  I used 
my car up.  Gear box only has three forward gears and the left half 
shaft/diff parts are still on the track me thinks.   Some kind track worker 
said it looked liked a Keystone cops movie of yesteryear when parts came 
out.

Bill B put on one hell of a dinner on Saturday.  What a spread!  Fresh Lamb 
and beef from his daughters ranch.  I still don't know what a "Flat Iron" 
cut is but, damn it tastes good.  But, the Lamb was spectacular.   And Henry 
Frye  well... just grilled these to perfection.  All the fixings and grog to 
wet any appetite.  ...oh, btw  while being the consumate host that night 
Bill was also pounding out some metal in the Peyote due to someone elses 
foolishness.  The crew was pro all the way... could hardly tell when 
repaired.


During Friday practice Chuck Gee slipped in the rain while on an upshift and 
had some body work to contend with.   But, thanks to some adjustments, crow 
bars, chains, six able bodies working while ten others gaulked in amazement 
the darn #14 Spitfire was put together so well the corner workers had to 
come by to the pits to ensure that Chuck did not pull a fast one... i.e. 
having a spare identically numbered car.  Damn, I wish I had a photo of Kas 
spray painting his car.
Oh, the swap meet helped... lots of inexpensive spares.   I kind of like the 
idea of having British swap meets during vintage racing.  Kudos, to the 
clever folks whodreamed that amalgam together.

How many transmissions did Jerry Barker go through?  four?  He can change a 
transmission in his Herald faster than I can change four tires, oil, plugs 
and brakes.

Joe had the very pretty and clean Ambro special (short wind screen).  Tall 
Kas along side in the passenger seat during the Kas Cup race - started to 
drizzle just as the parade lap started.  Racers were lucky... we had eye 
protection from the rain drops...  I'm not sure what  Joe and Kas had to do 
to stay on the correct part of the track- hard to see when your eyes are 
closed...bet the drops stung.

Sovren crew and the Buckingham's are a class act and lots of fun. 
Especially, at the Sunday Dinner Party.  Thanks to Dick and Judy, corner 
workers, Race Chairman, and all the kind folks who allowed us to play.

Oh-----I found out that the PIR is VERY near a golf course-  don't ask how 
but, that Slazenger 7 had somemarks on it that weren't green. I hope it is 
still has some usefull purposes... I gave it to Kas and Peggy to putt around 
with.



Mordy


From robertten1 at aol.com  Wed Sep  9 20:21:49 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:21:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <8CBFFC03AE0EDEE-1A10-149F0@webmail-m059.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CBFFD4960EDE7F-2EE8-50D4@webmail-d019.sysops.aol.com>

 Loctite does make a sealant that takes up to .015" air gap and locks the two assembled items together.? Will take heat and a very BIG hammer to separate them.? Loctite 680?? Pretty amazing stuff !

My $.02,
Bob T


 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: n197tr4 at cs.com
To: kaskas at cox.net; cartravel at pobox.com; tr3driver at ca.rr.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 7:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker










I have also done the hammer and punch approach, but was always afraid to admit 
it.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net>
To: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>; Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: 'FOT' <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker



I have also done this type fit many times with center punch and hammer.
---- Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote: 

=============
This a poor boy approach that some of you will scoff at, but I've done 
it and it works.  Have you ever heard of a "strawberry fit"?  Peck 
around on the surface with a punch, then use loctite sleeve retainer as 
Randall suggested.  This is not a good approach if you're planing to 
take the bearing off many more times.  In that case, you might be able 
to turn the surface down to the size of a different bearing, or you 
could turn it down and sleeve it back to size.
Larry

Randall wrote:
>> What can be done to get these 
>> bearing surfaces built back up to spec?
>>     
>
> There are several Loctite products designed for this purpose.  I've had good
> luck with RC609, though not on a diff.  RC603 might be a better choice,
> though, as it's supposedly stronger and tolerates contamination better.
> http://207.250.200.229:8080/1/doc?id=26269
> http://tinyurl.com/n9276o
>
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Wed Sep  9 20:37:21 2009
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:37:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker  -  Loctite 680
In-Reply-To: <8CBFFD4960EDE7F-2EE8-50D4@webmail-d019.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CBFFD4960EDE7F-2EE8-50D4@webmail-d019.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4AA86661.5080102@greenheart.com>

http://tds.loctite.com/tds5/docs/680-EN.PDF

I've never used the stuff, but I trust Loctite products to perform well.

--Justin




robertten1 at aol.com wrote:

> Loctite does make a sealant that takes up to .015" air gap and locks the two assembled items together.? Will take heat and a very BIG hammer to separate them.? Loctite 680?? Pretty amazing stuff !
>
>My $.02,
>Bob T
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: n197tr4 at cs.com
>To: kaskas at cox.net; cartravel at pobox.com; tr3driver at ca.rr.com
>Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 7:56 pm
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I have also done the hammer and punch approach, but was always afraid to admit 
>it.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net>
>To: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>; Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
>Cc: 'FOT' <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:14 pm
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker
>
>
>
>I have also done this type fit many times with center punch and hammer.
>---- Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote: 
>
>=============
>This a poor boy approach that some of you will scoff at, but I've done 
>it and it works.  Have you ever heard of a "strawberry fit"?  Peck 
>around on the surface with a punch, then use loctite sleeve retainer as 
>Randall suggested.  This is not a good approach if you're planing to 
>take the bearing off many more times.  In that case, you might be able 
>to turn the surface down to the size of a different bearing, or you 
>could turn it down and sleeve it back to size.
>Larry
>
>Randall wrote:
>  
>
>>>What can be done to get these 
>>>bearing surfaces built back up to spec?
>>>    
>>>      
>>>
>>There are several Loctite products designed for this purpose.  I've had good
>>luck with RC609, though not on a diff.  RC603 might be a better choice,
>>though, as it's supposedly stronger and tolerates contamination better.
>>http://207.250.200.229:8080/1/doc?id=26269
>>http://tinyurl.com/n9276o
>>
>>Randall
>>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Sep  9 20:53:07 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 19:53:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker
In-Reply-To: <8CBFFD4960EDE7F-2EE8-50D4@webmail-d019.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090910025307205.LSED5638@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com>

> Will take heat 
> and a very BIG hammer to separate them.? Loctite 680?? 

FWIW, I have the crank pulley on my street TR3 motor mounted with the RC609
I mentioned before, as the crank nose is worn undersize.  It can be removed
with a puller, though it does take a lot of force.

Randall


From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Sep  9 21:43:50 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 20:43:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Picture from Kastner Cup at Portland Sept 5-6 09
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909092043l5083eb03u5b215cc4bf36f5cb@mail.gmail.com>

I have uploaded a ton of pictures at:

http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/KastnerCupColumbiaRiverClassic09#

When you are at the pictures you can also go uo to the top [all my
public albums] and see all of Morty Dunst racing and getting the Cup
award.

Enjoy and use as you wish with credits.

-- 
Chuck Arnold


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Sep  9 22:28:01 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:28:01 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6/Spit diff parts
In-Reply-To: <200909091911.n89JB4Nu012042@moose.dimebank.com>
References: <200909091911.n89JB4Nu012042@moose.dimebank.com>
Message-ID: <4AA88051.4050404@bradakis.com>

Is this the diff that we installed the Quaife in?  I seem to recall we 
had to use
a 1500 case as the GT6 one was too small to hold the proper carrier.

mjb.


From quicktr4 at comcast.net  Wed Sep  9 22:55:07 2009
From: quicktr4 at comcast.net (quicktr4)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 21:55:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CRC
References: <F19B6077-1F49-4157-A08F-B3E91102C0A8@bnj.com>
	<8CBFFBFA6F63A92-1A10-14944@webmail-m059.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1744304A334B4535AD9EB531F87D7FD4@quickfure2vk6w>

I want to thank all that towed so far to get to the crc. I hade a wonderfull 
time on and off the track with all of you. I will get down to a vara race 
soon. Jeff Quick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <billb at bnj.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC


> THANKS FOR A GREAT WEEKEND, BILL!!
>
>
>
> It was wonderful!
>
>
>
> Of course I didnt have to run in the rain.
>
>
>
> It was good to be with everyone and not have all of the distractions.
>
>
>
> Now en route in Montana after one night near Mt. Hood and one night in 
> northern Idaho.
>
>
>
> Heartland Park in TOPEKA, KS next August should be a good one, too.
>
>
>
> Jan & Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 2:28 pm
> Subject: [Fot] CRC
>
>
>
> Naturally since the CRC weekend is over we're having crystal blue skies 
> with a few high clouds and cool air that would be idea for making ponies. 
> I always consider September to be the Northwest's summer, but it fooled us 
> this year. Still, a fine time, so great to see all of you. Special thanks 
> to the large contingent of California Triumph races. It was nice to put 
> some faces to all those email addresses. Alan, sorry about your car, and 
> thanks for the meatball sub. That one wall has collected a lot of paint 
> over the years. You're in good company, I saw Michael Andretti turn a car 
> back into a kit of parts in exactly the same spot once.?
> ?
> I didn't get many pictures--too busy banging aluminum flat and whining 
> about the weather. I'd like to get all I can to populate the CRC website. 
> If you have any to share I'd greatly appreciate it. Either email them to 
> me or send me a link to an online gallery and I can swipe them from 
> wherever they stand.?
> ?
> Sure was great to see Mordy get the Kastner cup. He surprised the heck out 
> of me running up on Peyote like that. I had to work my tail off to stay in 
> front of him. Great car and a great drive.?
> ?
> Another special thanks to our midwest contingent. I didn't get to spend 
> much time with Tony Drews, and Monday, when it was all over I was walking 
> over to chat and saw his van and trailer headed out the gate! Safe drive, 
> Tony. Hope you had a good time and thanks for making that long haul. Joe 
> Alexander kind of quietly slipped away too--I wasn't the only one looking 
> to say 'bye. I had a bunch of people come to my paddock looking for him.?
> ?
> I think I got to chat with most folks, though as usual, I was distracted 
> by a lot of stuff, and as the poster boy for ADD, distracting me is easy. 
> What was I saying...oh, look, a butterfly. Anyway, fun racing with all of 
> you.?
> ?
> Bill?
> ?
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From cak at dimebank.com  Wed Sep  9 23:40:15 2009
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 22:40:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] GT6/Spit diff parts
Message-ID: <200909100540.n8A5eFaq011141@moose.dimebank.com>

> Is this the diff that we installed the Quaife in?  I seem to recall we 
> had to use
> a 1500 case as the GT6 one was too small to hold the proper carrier.

That's the one. I thought that the real problem was that you found
that you didn't have the correct side bearings and couldn't get them
in time to meet my typically compressed time schedule!

I wonder if it has a compression or solid pinion sleeve? :-)


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Thu Sep 10 07:36:44 2009
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:36:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Picture from Kastner Cup at Portland Sept 5-6 09
In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0909092043l5083eb03u5b215cc4bf36f5cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8cbd782d0909092043l5083eb03u5b215cc4bf36f5cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03A61BFD6CCB4D42BDC9C7B868249988@your4dacd0ea75>

Excellent pictures Chuck...thanks for posting them

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Chuck Arnold
Sent: September 9, 2009 11:44 PM
To: Friends; Triumph; TRlist
Cc: Chuck
Subject: [Fot] Picture from Kastner Cup at Portland Sept 5-6 09

I have uploaded a ton of pictures at:

http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/KastnerCupColumbiaRiverClassic09#

When you are at the pictures you can also go uo to the top [all my
public albums] and see all of Morty Dunst racing and getting the Cup
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From dave at microworks.net  Thu Sep 10 11:29:47 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:29:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
Message-ID: <20090910173108.9D0E21878CF@autox.team.net>

Sent to the Wheel list by the Driver of the car that flipped.

>Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:12:30 -0400
>From: Elizabeth Miller <eracer at IdRatherNotSay.com>
>To: W2W <wheeltowheel at racer.net>
>Subject: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>
>The view from behind:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB8n5I5h6R8


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Thu Sep 10 11:53:53 2009
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:53:53 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
Message-ID: <33173773.1252605234077.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

The attempted pass looks even more pointless from this view.  What about the incident with this spec-racer?  He went semi airborne as well and kept racing.
Is it considered a four-off if the wheels are in the air?

~Steve

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>Sent: Sep 10, 2009 10:29 AM
>To: members at dctra.org, fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>
>Sent to the Wheel list by the Driver of the car that flipped.
>
>>Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:12:30 -0400
>>From: Elizabeth Miller <eracer at IdRatherNotSay.com>
>>To: W2W <wheeltowheel at racer.net>
>>Subject: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>>
>>The view from behind:
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB8n5I5h6R8
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Sep 10 13:36:42 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:36:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
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Message-ID: <1930690817.2623441252611402961.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Did I hear someone sayB  " Rotate" in the backgound just before liftoff.

jg




----- Original Message -----
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To: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>, "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:53:53 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass

The attempted pass looks even more pointless from this view. B What about the
incident with this spec-racer? B He went semi airborne as well and kept
racing.
Is it considered a four-off if the wheels are in the air?

~Steve

-----Original Message-----
>From: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>
>Sent: Sep 10, 2009 10:29 AM
>To: members at dctra.org, fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>
>Sent to the Wheel list by the Driver of the car that flipped.
>
>>Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:12:30 -0400
>>From: Elizabeth Miller <eracer at IdRatherNotSay.com>
>>To: W2W <wheeltowheel at racer.net>
>>Subject: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>>
>>The view from behind:
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB8n5I5h6R8
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 10 13:38:25 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:38:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Shirts
Message-ID: <379125.62327.qm@web57603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

FOT:

For those who requested that 2009 Kastner Cup shirt be mailed you should
receive them in the next few days.

A few people have suggested that I consider a second production run.  If you
would be interested in ordering t-shirts please let me know.  If there is
enough people who want additional shirts I will look into a second run..

Thanks,

Ernie


From andre at gt6.ca  Thu Sep 10 14:33:18 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:33:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
In-Reply-To: <1930690817.2623441252611402961.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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More like "CONTACT"

Sent from my iPod
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68 Triumph GT6 MK1 http://www.gt6.ca
77 Fiat 124 #515
http://www.124racer.com

On 2009-09-10, at 3:36 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:

> Did I hear someone sayB  " Rotate" in the backgound just before  
> liftoff.
>
> jg
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "steve" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
> To: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>, "FOT"  
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:53:53 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada  
> Mountain
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>
> The attempted pass looks even more pointless from this view. B What  
> about the
> incident with this spec-racer? B He went semi airborne as well and  
> kept
> racing.
> Is it considered a four-off if the wheels are in the air?
>
> ~Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>
>> Sent: Sep 10, 2009 10:29 AM
>> To: members at dctra.org, fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>>
>> Sent to the Wheel list by the Driver of the car that flipped.
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:12:30 -0400
>>> From: Elizabeth Miller <eracer at IdRatherNotSay.com>
>>> To: W2W <wheeltowheel at racer.net>
>>> Subject: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>>>
>>> The view from behind:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB8n5I5h6R8
>>
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Thu Sep 10 14:49:20 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:49:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
In-Reply-To: <66A4A68E-A2A2-4DD4-93E6-C383A3F710A5@gt6.ca>
References: <1930690817.2623441252611402961.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<66A4A68E-A2A2-4DD4-93E6-C383A3F710A5@gt6.ca>
Message-ID: <07BAFAC2-F243-4B67-9DAE-439F105DFF61@comcast.net>

Actually, he pulled into the pits after his incident - I had to watch  
it a few times too, but the next accident is a separate film clip with  
a fade-in-out between them.  his was not as severe but seems equally  
bad - couldn't even pull over far enough to pass.

On Sep 10, 2009, at 4:33 PM, Andre Rousseau wrote:

More like "CONTACT"

Sent from my iPod
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
68 Triumph GT6 MK1 http://www.gt6.ca
77 Fiat 124 #515
http://www.124racer.com

On 2009-09-10, at 3:36 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:

> Did I hear someone sayB  " Rotate" in the backgound just before  
> liftoff.
>
> jg
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "steve" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
> To: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>, "FOT"  
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:53:53 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada  
> Mountain
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>
> The attempted pass looks even more pointless from this view. B What  
> about the
> incident with this spec-racer? B He went semi airborne as well and  
> kept
> racing.
> Is it considered a four-off if the wheels are in the air?
>
> ~Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>
>> Sent: Sep 10, 2009 10:29 AM
>> To: members at dctra.org, fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>>
>> Sent to the Wheel list by the Driver of the car that flipped.
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:12:30 -0400
>>> From: Elizabeth Miller <eracer at IdRatherNotSay.com>
>>> To: W2W <wheeltowheel at racer.net>
>>> Subject: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
>>>
>>> The view from behind:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB8n5I5h6R8
>>
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Thu Sep 10 15:51:54 2009
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:51:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass
In-Reply-To: <1930690817.2623441252611402961.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1930690817.2623441252611402961.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS737ADED79802939A7AA5EC3E80@phx.gbl>

I wonder what the VNE of an SRF is?

Terry Stetler...
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
  To: steve<mailto:colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
  Cc: fot<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: [WtW] Part 2, How Not to Pass


  Did I hear someone sayB  " Rotate" in the backgound just before liftoff.

  jg


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Thu Sep 10 16:02:26 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:02:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <79BD6E272D444748A698D585E2A0FE25@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Amici

After meeting him in person at the CRC this weekend, I would like to
nominate Leighton Sherick to the FOT.  Leighton and his father Greg run
British Parts Northwest.  I used to race Spitfires against Greg back in the
70's.  They have supplied me with quite a number of parts for the 03
Spitfire.  Leighton is very interested in the tacing Triumphs having grown
up at the track.  I also made sure he was aware of the non-commercial nature
of the FOT.

Can I get a second?

Jim Norlin

Also, I want to say how much I enjoyed the weekend.  Thanks to all of you
that travelled to this event.  It was great to finally put faces to so many
of the names I see on the FOT.

-----Original Message-----
From: British Parts NW [mailto:bpnw at onlinemac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:50 PM
To: norlinengineering at comcast.net
Subject: List


Jim,
Great to speak with you.  Here is my email address bpnw at onlinemac.com

Have a good week.

Regards,
Leighton
British Parts Northwest
www.bpnorthwest.com
Phone (503)864-2001
FAX (503)864-2081


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Sep 10 16:42:35 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:42:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nominate Mike Mehl, Portland Oregon
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References: <A8AC5039E4F14500B8E8B0C21AF4CD66@userb38463fba5>
Message-ID: <20090910224247.E3DD7187649@autox.team.net>

I met Mike at the CRC, and agree that he should be on the list...

- Tony Drews

At 05:47 AM 9/9/2009, Jerry Van Vlack wrote:
>I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to the FOT. Some of you may have met Mike while
>at Portland this past weekend. Mike is the son in law of a good friend here in
>Ohio and comes from a family with Goodyear Racing Tire background. His father
>was very involved with Goodyear's Racing Tire program for much of his Goodyear
>career and I believe was the Director of the program before he retired. Mike
>is building a car that has a long history of racing in the Mid-west and was
>rebuilt by Bill Lynn of VTR fame a number of years ago.
>
>I'll let Mike introduce himself once he's confirmed.
>
>Mike's e-mail address is mike.mehl at yahoo.com
>
>Can I see a second please.
>
>Jerry Van Vlack
>
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From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Thu Sep 10 18:11:28 2009
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:11:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] tie rod ends for TR4
Message-ID: <000001ca3274$69d607f0$6401a8c0@blake1>

Has anyone fond a suitable replacement tie rod end from a Carquest,
Napa, or the like?  The ones I have from TRF don't engage many threads
on the female threaded portion where the tie rod end connects to the
rack.  I would like to find a tie rod end that has a longer female
threaded section.
 
I planned to bring one to Carquest and dig through their stock but maybe
someone has already done that???
 
Thanks,
 
Greg


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Sep 10 17:14:19 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:14:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] CRC part 1 of 2
Message-ID: <20090910231427.286B3187649@autox.team.net>

Just pulled into home this afternoon and have most of my stuff unloaded.

Had a great time at the CRC!  Seeing the weather forecast Friday 
night and Saturday morning I was looking at a washout.  "If you're 
planning to be out this weekend, Monday afternoon looks to be the 
best time."  Of course, the event ended early afternoon Monday.

However, the rain was off and on, we got in a fair amount of racing 
in the dry and generally the weather wasn't that bad...  I found that 
the new Speedsters that I mounted at the beginning of the weekend 
(got the old set almost down to the cords) worked pretty well in the wet.

Since I had never been to Portland International Raceway before I 
followed John James around in the rain for the first session on 
Saturday morning.  I found that was an excellent way to learn the 
track - low speed, plenty of time to look around.  It was raining 
hard enough to get my suit wet but not hard enough to make the track 
undriveable.  I eventually passed Jeff and started to push it a bit 
in the wet, figuring that I'd need to understand how far I could push 
it.  The 2nd session on Saturday was on a drying track, so I got to 
go a bit faster.  Since most of the field didn't go out in the first 
session, and each session after that was gridded as a race (with the 
grid position based on the finishing order of the prior race) I got 
to start fairly near the front.  Since the TR-3 / TR-4 normal group 
was oversubscribed we were moved to the group with the Corvettes and 
Mustangs.  They came out for this race, so mirror watching was pretty 
important.  Partway through the session, someone oiled down the 
corners at the end of the back straight all the way down the front 
straight.  I had a great dice with Bill Hart Jr. in the Devin TR, 
eventually passing him when he got a wheel in the oil and couldn't 
put down the power.  The Handicap race finished out the day.  I had a 
good run in this, and I believe that Triumphs took the top 6 
spots.  Lunker won it, Jeff Quick was right on his tail, I came in 
3rd with designs on both of them and Mordy FLEW by me right after the 
checkered flag waved.  I didn't even know he was there, I was so 
intent on the first two guys...  This race was entirely on a dry 
track, I think.

Bill and his family (with master chef Henry Frye) put on quite the 
shindig Saturday evening.  Bill Hart and I exchanged pleasantries 
regarding our earlier dice, and Bill and Tony Garmey were beating the 
front of the Peyote back into shape.  Seemed the FV driver who spun 
didn't keep his car locked down and shot back onto the track directly 
into Bill's path.  Grrr.

- Tony Drews


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Sep 10 17:15:26 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:15:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] CRC part 2 of 2
Message-ID: <20090910231532.9403E187649@autox.team.net>

Sunday started off rainy again, I went out in the morning session and 
again tested the tires in the wet.  It wasn't raining very hard, and 
I could carry a fair amount of speed it seemed.  The track was 
drying, but someone was oiling it down at the same time so THAT made 
it interesting.  The BMW's I was racing with didn't seem to figure 
out the oil deal as both of them spun after passing me and one spun 
in my rear view mirror trying to catch back up with me.  They 
thoughtfully scheduled the Kastner Cup All Triumph race immediately 
after lunch on Sunday.  I figured that having it that early in the 
weekend most of the Triumphs would still be running.  They gridded 
this race on "first come first served" and I was 4th to the grid 
(heh, heh).  I figured the California contingent would blow by me in 
short order.  However, during the anthems (both Canadian and USA) it 
started to rain fairly heavily.  This seemed to be in my favor.  As I 
recall, the 250K ("the prototype"), Peyote, and Lunker in his "plum 
pi" (number 3.14) TR-4 were gridded ahead of me.  On the start the #7 
white TR-6 (Creager?) passed me and was quickly up to the 250K.  A 
Herald got by me in a daring pass going into the sweeping corners 
between the front straight and the back straight.  He dive bombed 
Lunker, clipping his rear and both spun off in front of me.  I was 
glad to see both had moved on the next lap.  Lunker came out OK, it 
just hit his wheel, but the Herald retired.  That left me in 4th 
behind the Peyote.  I was keeping up with Bill, but the rain subsided 
and the track started to dry.  Mordy made quick work of me and worked 
on Bill for the rest of the race.  I got passed by another TR-4 
(forget who, maybe Jeff Quick) and ended up finishing 6th.  I was 
pleased with this result!

I don't have a strong recollection of the final race on 
Sunday.  Lunker killed his gearbox and was on the hunt for 
another.  They got it changed in time for Monday's DRY 
racing.  Monday's first race a bunch of the TR-4's decided to start 
at the back and race amongst ourselves.  This didn't work out very 
well, as we got separated and various cars dropped out.  The final 
race I gridded normally and ended up in an excellent dice with a 911 
and Lunker in his TR-4.  Afterwards the 911 driver found us and we 
had the excited debrief of a good race.  That was probably the best 
racing I'd had that weekend.

Unfortunately, due to the rain and my own forgetfulness I didn't get 
any in-car video, and forgot to take pictures of the Triumphs 
in-situ, but did get some of them during the Monday AM Triumph photo 
session.  The whole group made me feel welcome, plenty of Margaritas 
and Beer was to be found (quite the Margarita machine!), and I was 
happy I went.  It was great to see the west coast contingent in 
action.  They sure have some fast Triumphs!

Tony Drews


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu Sep 10 17:42:15 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:42:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
References: <79BD6E272D444748A698D585E2A0FE25@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <AC30177FB18044B090AD93A5289C6586@Charly>

I would second.  I know Greg and Leighton and both are great people and Greg 
has lots of Spit racing knowledge.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: <Fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <bpnw at onlinemac.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:02 PM
Subject: [Fot] Nomination


> Amici
>
> After meeting him in person at the CRC this weekend, I would like to
> nominate Leighton Sherick to the FOT.  Leighton and his father Greg run
> British Parts Northwest.  I used to race Spitfires against Greg back in 
> the
> 70's.  They have supplied me with quite a number of parts for the 03
> Spitfire.  Leighton is very interested in the tacing Triumphs having grown
> up at the track.  I also made sure he was aware of the non-commercial 
> nature
> of the FOT.
>
> Can I get a second?
>
> Jim Norlin
>
> Also, I want to say how much I enjoyed the weekend.  Thanks to all of you
> that travelled to this event.  It was great to finally put faces to so 
> many
> of the names I see on the FOT.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: British Parts NW [mailto:bpnw at onlinemac.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:50 PM
> To: norlinengineering at comcast.net
> Subject: List
>
>
> Jim,
> Great to speak with you.  Here is my email address bpnw at onlinemac.com
>
> Have a good week.
>
> Regards,
> Leighton
> British Parts Northwest
> www.bpnorthwest.com
> Phone (503)864-2001
> FAX (503)864-2081
>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Sep 10 18:02:35 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:02:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mordy wins Kas Cup
In-Reply-To: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
References: <20090906222230.X67Q6.80187.imail@fed1rmwml40>
Message-ID: <20090911000242.D4D8C187649@autox.team.net>

It was good to see Mordy win the Cup - he certainly deserves it.  He 
has one FAST TR-4.  Nice to see development continue 45 years after production!

- Tony Drews

At 09:22 PM 9/6/2009, Kas Kastner wrote:
>After a thrilling truly fast session in the dry and ending in the 
>wet,  Mordy Dunst captured the Kastner Cup for 2009.
>--
>Never be beaten by equipment


From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Sep 10 18:06:38 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:06:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Portland
Message-ID: <CBF260E6765A47E191D9FC23B946770D@Bud>

Does anyone have an in car video from Portland to share?
thanks
Racer Bud
Spitfire #21


From henry at henryfrye.com  Thu Sep 10 19:41:30 2009
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:41:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] CRC
In-Reply-To: <F19B6077-1F49-4157-A08F-B3E91102C0A8@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805056242@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local>

Helen and I ended our Pacific Northwest vacation in Portland to spectate
at the CRC. It's always a little strange to be a the track with no race
car, but I kept myself busy and hopefully out of everybody's way.
Managed to get my hands (and clothes!) dirty, so you know I had a good
time.

Peyote's birthday party was really, really nice. I got volunteered to
work the grill, and enjoyed cooking some of the best lamb I have ever
tasted. Bill's daughter Liz raises a very special breed of sheep on her
ranch. If you like lamb, get Liz's contact info from Bill had have her
ship you some. You will not be disappointed. Many thanks to everybody
involved in the party on Saturday, it was really great fun.

Tony Garmey took some time and showed off some of his handiwork in his
paddock. Along with Bill Hart's Devin TR, Peyote, and the "Prototype",
Tony was taking care of a customer's Devin SS. It was one of the
original 14 turnkey cars Devin produced with V8 power. Tony has done
some of his magic getting this car back on the track, like Hillborn
Injection and the most beautiful custom fuel cell you ever saw. Calling
it art would be doing it a disservice, it really is that beautiful.

The racing was fantastic, really exciting to watch. While the weather
was not great, the racers got to show their stuff in all conditions.
Many sessions were raced in drying conditions, so the guys that really
could read the track did well.

Henry Frye
Carless in Portland


From triosan at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 19:59:05 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:59:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pictures of Mordy racing and getting award
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909101859u58c702f3ve5f18ba8a74126e7@mail.gmail.com>

See I originally sent this out with no subject line, so some may not
have seen it:

http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/MortyDunstAtKAsterCup2009#



-- 
Chuck Arnold


From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 10 20:03:54 2009
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:03:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Thank you I am now on the List
Message-ID: <651283.24218.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I am now on the list.  It was good to meet Tony Drews and a few other folks at
PIR for the CRC this past weekend.  Got a bunch of good tips.  My TR4 is
coming together.  The Southwick conversion is done and in the car.  The engine
is close to being done.   I invested in a HANS this past weekend.  I will use
that in the Club Rabbit I have been running in Seattle and PIR (this weekend)
and of course next summer when the TR4 is up and running.  

Thanks!!!

Mike
Mehl


From triosan at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 20:06:14 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:06:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 4 speed tranny tail piece
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909101906y364e425dxa581602614b5085@mail.gmail.com>

Does anybody have a tail peice left over from converting a 4 speed
TR4-6 tranny to overdrive?  Could use one,and though I got one last
year, I could use the 4 speed main shaft also.  IF so, let me know
your price.  I am in Seattle for shipping cost purposes [zip 98109]
Thanks
-- 
Chuck Arnold


From triosan at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 20:11:28 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:11:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] picture resolution
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909101911v5091e075l8e625edea1a655a9@mail.gmail.com>

IF any of you see pictures you would like from my set please let me
know.  Looks like they lose a lot of pixels when uploaded.

-- 
Chuck Arnold


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Sep 10 20:23:16 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:23:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] tie rod ends for TR4
In-Reply-To: <000001ca3274$69d607f0$6401a8c0@blake1>
References: <000001ca3274$69d607f0$6401a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <000001ca3286$d317a8b0$7946fa10$@com>

I bought a set of tie rod ends from Moss back in 2004 when we were
restoring/building the car.  I didn't have any problems with the amount of
thread engagement as I recall.  The Moss part number is 667-265.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:11 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] tie rod ends for TR4

Has anyone fond a suitable replacement tie rod end from a Carquest,
Napa, or the like?  The ones I have from TRF don't engage many threads
on the female threaded portion where the tie rod end connects to the
rack.  I would like to find a tie rod end that has a longer female
threaded section.
 
I planned to bring one to Carquest and dig through their stock but maybe
someone has already done that???
 
Thanks,
 
Greg
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Sep 10 20:28:19 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:28:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <79BD6E272D444748A698D585E2A0FE25@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
References: <79BD6E272D444748A698D585E2A0FE25@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <8CC009EA8DC58E7-43EC-2EB08@webmail-d028.sysops.aol.com>

SECOND!?



Maybe my fourth trip to Portland, I will get to meet?LEIGHTON & GREG.?



Joe Alexander


-----Original Message-----
From: Norlin Engineering <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Cc: bpnw at onlinemac.com
Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:02 pm
Subject: [Fot] Nomination




Amici

After meeting him in person at the CRC this weekend, I would like to
nominate Leighton Sherick to the FOT.  Leighton and his father Greg run
British Parts Northwest.  I used to race Spitfires against Greg back in the
70's.  They have supplied me with quite a number of parts for the 03
Spitfire.  Leighton is very interested in the tacing Triumphs having grown
up at the track.  I also made sure he was aware of the non-commercial nature
of the FOT.

Can I get a second?

Jim Norlin

Also, I want to say how much I enjoyed the weekend.  Thanks to all of you
that travelled to this event.  It was great to finally put faces to so many
of the names I see on the FOT.

-----Original Message-----
From: British Parts NW [mailto:bpnw at onlinemac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:50 PM
To: norlinengineering at comcast.net
Subject: List


Jim,
Great to speak with you.  Here is my email address bpnw at onlinemac.com

Have a good week.

Regards,
Leighton
British Parts Northwest
www.bpnorthwest.com
Phone (503)864-2001
FAX (503)864-2081
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Sep 10 20:43:39 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:43:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
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Great guys to deal with and I love the little candies they throw in with
parts.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination

SECOND!?



Maybe my fourth trip to Portland, I will get to meet?LEIGHTON & GREG.?



Joe Alexander


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Cc: bpnw at onlinemac.com
Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:02 pm
Subject: [Fot] Nomination




Amici

After meeting him in person at the CRC this weekend, I would like to
nominate Leighton Sherick to the FOT.  Leighton and his father Greg run
British Parts Northwest.  I used to race Spitfires against Greg back in the
70's.  They have supplied me with quite a number of parts for the 03
Spitfire.  Leighton is very interested in the tacing Triumphs having grown
up at the track.  I also made sure he was aware of the non-commercial nature
of the FOT.

Can I get a second?

Jim Norlin

Also, I want to say how much I enjoyed the weekend.  Thanks to all of you
that travelled to this event.  It was great to finally put faces to so many
of the names I see on the FOT.

-----Original Message-----
From: British Parts NW [mailto:bpnw at onlinemac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:50 PM
To: norlinengineering at comcast.net
Subject: List


Jim,
Great to speak with you.  Here is my email address bpnw at onlinemac.com

Have a good week.

Regards,
Leighton
British Parts Northwest
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 10 20:56:56 2009
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:56:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
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Second - Leighton and Greg have been a huge help in getting me the right parts
to get my engine back together.  

Mike Mehl
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination
SECOND!?



Maybe my fourth trip to Portland, I will get to meet?LEIGHTON &
GREG.?



Joe Alexander


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Cc: bpnw at onlinemac.com
Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 5:02 pm
Subject: [Fot] Nomination




Amici

After
meeting him in person at the CRC this weekend, I would like to
nominate
Leighton Sherick to the FOT.  Leighton and his father Greg run
British Parts
Northwest.  I used to race Spitfires against Greg back in the
70's.  They have
supplied me with quite a number of parts for the 03
Spitfire.  Leighton is
very interested in the tacing Triumphs having grown
up at the track.  I also
made sure he was aware of the non-commercial nature
of the FOT.

Can I get a
second?

Jim Norlin

Also, I want to say how much I enjoyed the weekend. 
Thanks to all of you
that travelled to this event.  It was great to finally
put faces to so many
of the names I see on the FOT.

-----Original
Message-----
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Sent:
Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:50 PM
To: norlinengineering at comcast.net
Subject: List


Jim,
Great to speak with you.  Here is my email address
bpnw at onlinemac.com

Have a good week.

Regards,
Leighton
British Parts
Northwest
www.bpnorthwest.com
Phone (503)864-2001
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 10 21:00:26 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:00:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
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2nd; should be a good person to have along. 

--- On Thu, 9/10/09, Norlin Engineering <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
wrote:

Amici

After meeting him in person at the CRC this weekend, I would like to
nominate Leighton Sherick to the FOT.  Leighton and his father Greg run
British Parts Northwest.  I used to race Spitfires against Greg back in the
70's.  They have supplied me with quite a number of parts for the 03
Spitfire.  Leighton is very interested in the tacing Triumphs having grown
up at the track.  I also made sure he was aware of the non-commercial nature
of the FOT.

Can I get a second?

Jim Norlin


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 10 21:38:51 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:38:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
Message-ID: <777178.33379.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.

Any tips?
Thanks
Dennis DeLap


From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Sep 10 23:28:05 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:28:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff
In-Reply-To: <777178.33379.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <777178.33379.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Dennis DeLap wrote:
> Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.
>
> Any tips?
>   

I'll be busy when you need to push the non-running car through the pits
and into a tight paddock space.

mjb.


From chasgee at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 00:18:00 2009
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 02:18:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
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Dennis,



The key to welding diffs is to preheat the whole assembly prior to welding. This prevents cracking during welding.?I usually preheat to 700 F. Some may not think this is necessary, but I've done it both ways and it does make a difference.



Since I have a furnace and welding machine, you could just send it to me, but that's up to you. I do charge a nominal fee but nothing too outrageous.



The best part about a welded diff is listening to your friends complain about pushing the car around the pits. Since I like to aggravate my friends (as all will attest), this has not been a major problem!


Chuck

-----Original Message-----
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To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:38 pm
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee




Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.

Any tips?
Thanks
Dennis DeLap
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From chasgee at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 00:21:56 2009
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 02:21:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] CRC
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Henry,



It was great to meet you again at the CRC.? I especially want to thank you for lending us your rental car to drive to registration.? That was greatly appreciated.? Your prowess at the grill should also be commended.? I'll let you know next time I'm in Hartford, maybe you, Helen, and I can do dinner.



Chuck


-----Original Message-----
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To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 6:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC




Helen and I ended our Pacific Northwest vacation in Portland to spectate
at the CRC. It's always a little strange to be a the track with no race
car, but I kept myself busy and hopefully out of everybody's way.
Managed to get my hands (and clothes!) dirty, so you know I had a good
time.

Peyote's birthday party was really, really nice. I got volunteered to
work the grill, and enjoyed cooking some of the best lamb I have ever
tasted. Bill's daughter Liz raises a very special breed of sheep on her
ranch. If you like lamb, get Liz's contact info from Bill had have her
ship you some. You will not be disappointed. Many thanks to everybody
involved in the party on Saturday, it was really great fun.

Tony Garmey took some time and showed off some of his handiwork in his
paddock. Along with Bill Hart's Devin TR, Peyote, and the "Prototype",
Tony was taking care of a customer's Devin SS. It was one of the
original 14 turnkey cars Devin produced with V8 power. Tony has done
some of his magic getting this car back on the track, like Hillborn
Injection and the most beautiful custom fuel cell you ever saw. Calling
it art would be doing it a disservice, it really is that beautiful.

The racing was fantastic, really exciting to watch. While the weather
was not great, the racers got to show their stuff in all conditions.
Many sessions were raced in drying conditions, so the guys that really
could read the track did well.

Henry Frye
Carless in Portland
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Fri Sep 11 00:33:23 2009
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:33:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
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Seriously, you have no idea how Chuck likes to aggravate his friends. But if
Chuckles recommends something its likely right.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:18 PM, <chasgee at aol.com> wrote:

> Dennis,
>
>
>
> The key to welding diffs is to preheat the whole assembly prior to welding.
> This prevents cracking during welding.?I usually preheat to 700 F. Some may
> not think this is necessary, but I've done it both ways and it does make a
> difference.
>
>
>
> Since I have a furnace and welding machine, you could just send it to me,
> but that's up to you. I do charge a nominal fee but nothing too outrageous.
>
>
>
> The best part about a welded diff is listening to your friends complain
> about pushing the car around the pits. Since I like to aggravate my friends
> (as all will attest), this has not been a major problem!
>
>
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 8:38 pm
> Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
>
>
>
>
> Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.
>
> Any tips?
> Thanks
> Dennis DeLap
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From chasgee at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 00:46:10 2009
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 02:46:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup at the CRC
Message-ID: <8CC00C2AE90E410-3808-15F3D@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com>

All,



As you can tell by the comments, we all had a great time at the CRC.?When we arrived on Friday, the skies were clear and everything looked great.?When we woke up Saturday, the sky was dark and it was raining.?Being from Southern California this was a unique experience, especially on the track. It took me a whole lap and a half to put my car into the wall.? I wasn't doing anything crazy at the time, just lack of wet weather driving experience.? Fortunately, I just damaged sheet metal but the car looked terrible.? Thanks to my fantastic group of friends, we managed to pull everything fairly straight to where the car looked almost presentable.? I happened to bring both blue and silver spray paint and found a new tail light at the british car swapmeet.? It dried out Saturday afternoon and I got some confidence back, but I still took it easy, especially near the place I lost it.



After avoiding the wet?session Sunday morning, I was excited to see that it was dry when we went to pregrid for the Kastner Cup race.?It started raining at about the 2 minute mark on grid.?I took it careful and slow during that race and was lapped twice by the leaders.?I figured that was better than the alternative, so I?swallowed my pride and was way off pace.? It dried out for the late session and I managed to work my way from the back to 7th.



Monday started off dry, but turned wet again about half way through. I managed to?hold my 7th place, but that pesky Herald?got by me. It dried out again for the last race and managed a?3rd place. A good way to finish.



I met a lot?of great FOTers, including Bill Babcock (great party Bill!) and Jim Norlin.?Both of these guys are fantastic.?If either of you ever come down this way please look me up.?



Thanks again to my friends who helped fix my car.?I wouldn't have enjoyed the weeked as much without you.



Thanks also to Allen and Aleta Weins?for their hospitality and for loaning my a clutch and transmission out of his wrecked car.?Too bad about his car, it was much worse than mine.



Congrats to Mordy for the Kastner Cup. A very deserving recipient!



Chuck


From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Fri Sep 11 02:19:43 2009
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:19:43 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
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Dennis
I have welded up several diffs with no problem. I mig in a piece of quarter 
plate between the side gear . I have never preheated and had no problems . 
Just remember to allow clearance for the axles to pass right through the 
side gears or you make have to cut a bit off the end of the axle. How do i 
know!
Geoff Byrne
TR6 racer down under
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Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee


> Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.
>
> Any tips?
> Thanks
> Dennis DeLap
>
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Fri Sep 11 07:37:25 2009
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 07:37:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
Message-ID: <20090911.073725.2848.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Dennis,
How about TIG weld filling some of the spider gear teeth, preventing them
rotating and effectively locking the unit. If needed, you can refit
standard spider gears to return original function. Uses a lot less energy
to accomplish, as well. There are some applications available (not TR)
that you can buy spider gears that have not had all their teeth machined.
There is a little backlash slop going this way but I've never had the
opportunity to verify what, if anything is getting beaten up by that
slop, or if it is protective of other parts.
Bill
 
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Dennis DeLap
<yellow-green at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.
> 
> Any tips?
> Thanks
> Dennis DeLap
> 
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 08:43:46 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:43:46 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??
Message-ID: <cd3.5f397e87.37dbbc22@aol.com>

Amici,
 
I was just alerted to a Spitty racer for sale here in Vegas for  $1700.  
Sounds like it could be worth looking at .
 
Any opinions ?  should I call the guy?


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 08:57:40 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:57:40 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??
Message-ID: <c34.5ef28c34.37dbbf64@aol.com>

_http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/1345070214.html_ 
(http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/1345070214.html) 
 
 
I've sent an Email.  That's enough at this point.  Why would I  want 
another racer when I've got two already!  I must be nuts...
 
 
In a message dated 9/11/2009 7:54:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
andre at gt6.ca writes:

Oh after  looking at the Kas weekend stuff you know I'm feeling glum
about not being  in a Triumph.

What are the stats?

Right now I just need a fuel  cell and the FIAT is race ready. I will
be welding in the bar setup with  new plates very soon. Cage next year.

I have to pull the wheel studs  out. The PO bored out a of 100mm wheels
to make them 98. Holes are oval  shape. IDIOT.

Anyhow the racing FIAT group have a set of 13" wheels  with RA-1's
waiting for me. I'll pull the studs and use some FIAT bolts  until I
buy a new set of long studs and open nuts.

Trying to do this  on a seriously low budget.

You see what Chuck did to the wall? Will be  mend the spit or launch
the GT6 next  season?

A.

2009/9/11  <Gt6steve at aol.com>:
>  Amici,
>
> I was just alerted to a Spitty racer for sale here in  Vegas for  $1700.
> Sounds like it could be worth looking at  .
>
> Any opinions ?  should I call the guy?
>
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From riverside at southslope.net  Fri Sep 11 09:40:53 2009
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:40:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
References: <20090911.073725.2848.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
Message-ID: <003e01ca32f6$3f89a790$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>

My experience is similar.   We first tried welding gears together,
but the welds cracked and made some debris.   Then we
just filled enough low spots to minimize rotation.  still
had a little debris from drain to drain.  Never harmed bearings
or seals.

art de armond

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Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee


> Dennis,
> How about TIG weld filling some of the spider gear teeth, preventing them
> rotating and effectively locking the unit. If needed, you can refit
> standard spider gears to return original function. Uses a lot less energy
> to accomplish, as well. There are some applications available (not TR)
> that you can buy spider gears that have not had all their teeth machined.
> There is a little backlash slop going this way but I've never had the
> opportunity to verify what, if anything is getting beaten up by that
> slop, or if it is protective of other parts.
> Bill
>
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Dennis DeLap
> <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net> writes:
>> Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.
>>
>> Any tips?
>> Thanks
>> Dennis DeLap
>>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Sep 11 10:02:15 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:02:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??
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I totally disagree with the statement that it is still competitive in
D-Modified.  No Spitfire powered car can possibly be competitive against the
kit car (Lotus 7's) with the 2 Liter High Revving engines that have been
allowed in that class in recent years.  Putting a Honda 2 Liter VTEC engine
didn't do it in my car and I can't see how a highly modified 1500 Spit
engine could come close.

Joe C.

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Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:58 AM
To: andre at gt6.ca
Cc: FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??

_http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/1345070214.html_ 
(http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/1345070214.html) 
 
 
I've sent an Email.  That's enough at this point.  Why would I  want 
another racer when I've got two already!  I must be nuts...
 
 
In a message dated 9/11/2009 7:54:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
andre at gt6.ca writes:

Oh after  looking at the Kas weekend stuff you know I'm feeling glum
about not being  in a Triumph.

What are the stats?

Right now I just need a fuel  cell and the FIAT is race ready. I will
be welding in the bar setup with  new plates very soon. Cage next year.

I have to pull the wheel studs  out. The PO bored out a of 100mm wheels
to make them 98. Holes are oval  shape. IDIOT.

Anyhow the racing FIAT group have a set of 13" wheels  with RA-1's
waiting for me. I'll pull the studs and use some FIAT bolts  until I
buy a new set of long studs and open nuts.

Trying to do this  on a seriously low budget.

You see what Chuck did to the wall? Will be  mend the spit or launch
the GT6 next  season?

A.

2009/9/11  <Gt6steve at aol.com>:
>  Amici,
>
> I was just alerted to a Spitty racer for sale here in  Vegas for  $1700.
> Sounds like it could be worth looking at  .
>
> Any opinions ?  should I call the guy?
>
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Sep 11 10:28:30 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:28:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??
In-Reply-To: <FEDD9A5A52DF4D2690465EA7F1F0DAA7@joepentiumnew>
References: <c34.5ef28c34.37dbbf64@aol.com>
	<FEDD9A5A52DF4D2690465EA7F1F0DAA7@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111222330.4788@isis.mit.edu>

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Joe Curry wrote:

> I totally disagree with the statement that it is still competitive in
> D-Modified.  No Spitfire powered car can possibly be competitive against the
> kit car (Lotus 7's) with the 2 Liter High Revving engines that have been
> allowed in that class in recent years.  Putting a Honda 2 Liter VTEC engine
> didn't do it in my car and I can't see how a highly modified 1500 Spit
> engine could come close.

Substitute "car is FUN in DM" and leave the rest alone.

Put a V8 in it along with a Miata rear suspension and it might be 
competitive in the class (or even better - in XP).

No offense, but the driver winds up being a big factor too. I know that's 
why my TR6 sucks at national level events.

:-)

I would have been about 6 seconds slower than John Thomas in FP at this 
years Nationals (had my boss "allowed me" to take vacation), but I would 
have been 7 seconds behind the turbo-Mazda 13B powered AH Sprite in EM.

:-0

That's based on my consistent times compared to folks from my region at 
nationals.

But for under $2k, that car would be a GREAT starting point for an 
autocrosser wannabe, no question about it.

> Joe C.

regards,
rml
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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Sep 11 10:47:03 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:47:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111222330.4788@isis.mit.edu>
References: <c34.5ef28c34.37dbbf64@aol.com>
	<FEDD9A5A52DF4D2690465EA7F1F0DAA7@joepentiumnew>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111222330.4788@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <6B3160BA35A549C091D053A72288D1EB@joepentiumnew>

DM tops out at 2 Liter.  If you put in a V8 (unless it is a teeny V8) you
would be in EM.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
Substitute "car is FUN in DM" and leave the rest alone.

Put a V8 in it along with a Miata rear suspension and it might be 
competitive in the class (or even better - in XP).

No offense, but the driver winds up being a big factor too. I know that's 
why my TR6 sucks at national level events.

:-)

I would have been about 6 seconds slower than John Thomas in FP at this 
years Nationals (had my boss "allowed me" to take vacation), but I would 
have been 7 seconds behind the turbo-Mazda 13B powered AH Sprite in EM.

:-0

That's based on my consistent times compared to folks from my region at 
nationals.

But for under $2k, that car would be a GREAT starting point for an 
autocrosser wannabe, no question about it.


regards,
rml
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From cwnfot at gmail.com  Fri Sep 11 11:02:55 2009
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:02:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??
In-Reply-To: <6B3160BA35A549C091D053A72288D1EB@joepentiumnew>
References: <c34.5ef28c34.37dbbf64@aol.com>
	<FEDD9A5A52DF4D2690465EA7F1F0DAA7@joepentiumnew>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111222330.4788@isis.mit.edu>
	<6B3160BA35A549C091D053A72288D1EB@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <000001ca3301$b5cf0e30$216d2a90$@com>

Good grief guys!

For $1700 it will provide a lot of fun and be competitive if the other cars
all perform to that level. If Joe shows up he'll blow their doors off, for
sure.

We AC'd a 1967 Spitfire in the 70's and 80's that was so rusty you had to
lift on the doors to shut them. The 1147 engine was ported, bored and
balanced, suspension lowered and had koni shocks. We had 4-6 drivers for it
and ran old radials or Formula Ford tires from Lime Rock. If nothing else we
were competitive amongst ourselves and back then 3 or more entrants made
their own class depending on the club. Once a PCA friend drove the car and
he loved it so much he said "don't change a thing!"

For $1700 if the car was near me I would be mighty tempted to go have some
fun again!

Clark


From chasgee at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 11:21:02 2009
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:21:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] pics of my car
Message-ID: <8CC011B5EFEEBEF-342C-1DA80@webmail-m090.sysops.aol.com>

Does anyone have pics of my car after I hit the wall?? I didn't bring a camera with me and was too busy anyway.? Please send along if you do.



Thanks,



Chuck


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Fri Sep 11 11:23:46 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:23:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??
In-Reply-To: <000001ca3301$b5cf0e30$216d2a90$@com>
References: <c34.5ef28c34.37dbbf64@aol.com>
	<FEDD9A5A52DF4D2690465EA7F1F0DAA7@joepentiumnew>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111222330.4788@isis.mit.edu>
	<6B3160BA35A549C091D053A72288D1EB@joepentiumnew>
	<000001ca3301$b5cf0e30$216d2a90$@com>
Message-ID: <E19FAEA9-C9D7-4348-86DC-5A71F89DF028@comcast.net>

Clark's talked me into it.  If anyone is coming east with a trailer,  
I'll buy it.  Good car to run PA hillclimbs in.  If I go off the road  
and hit a boulder,  it's a parts car at this price.


On Sep 11, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote:

Good grief guys!

For $1700 it will provide a lot of fun and be competitive if the other  
cars
all perform to that level. If Joe shows up he'll blow their doors off,  
for
sure.

We AC'd a 1967 Spitfire in the 70's and 80's that was so rusty you had  
to
lift on the doors to shut them. The 1147 engine was ported, bored and
balanced, suspension lowered and had koni shocks. We had 4-6 drivers  
for it
and ran old radials or Formula Ford tires from Lime Rock. If nothing  
else we
were competitive amongst ourselves and back then 3 or more entrants made
their own class depending on the club. Once a PCA friend drove the car  
and
he loved it so much he said "don't change a thing!"

For $1700 if the car was near me I would be mighty tempted to go have  
some
fun again!

Clark
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From herald948 at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 12:46:53 2009
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:46:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitty racer for sale??
In-Reply-To: <000001ca3301$b5cf0e30$216d2a90$@com>
References: <c34.5ef28c34.37dbbf64@aol.com><FEDD9A5A52DF4D2690465EA7F1F0DAA7@joepentiumnew><Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111222330.4788@isis.mit.edu><6B3160BA35A549C091D053A72288D1EB@joepentiumnew>
	<000001ca3301$b5cf0e30$216d2a90$@com>
Message-ID: <8CC01275D501D0F-1E88-7B8A@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Clark W. Nicholls <cwnfot at gmail.com>










Good grief guys!

For $1700 it will provide a lot of fun and be competitive if the other cars
all perform to that level. If Joe shows up he'll blow their doors off, for
sure....

==AM==
I'm with Clark here! (I never got to see that particular infamous Spitfire, but I think one of the spare
bonnets in my garage is from that very car, thanks to Clark!)

Some of you have heard the following story before, so bear with me....

A buddy and I picked up an abandoned ex-GP Spitfire 4 back around 1983 for almost nothing (package deal with a '73
1500 Spitfire street car). It look a lot of paint and a few odd gaskets and seals, but very little else (except for
a pair of doors -- thanks, Clark!) to get it going, and it became a great little budget Solo II car. Loads of fun
for very little money. Like Clark, we used mostly cast-off FF slicks and such. It was good enough to win FTD occasionally
in local Solo II events as well as at the VTR National Conventions in 1986 and 1989.

At the '89 Convention, it even attracted the attention of a gentleman who expressed some interest in trying it,
and we were only too happy to let him do so. To this day, I still believe that, if he'd had something for his feet other
than the bulky dress shoes that caused him to jam both brake and gas at the same time, Mike Rothschild would've taken FTD
from me at that event. (Yeah, THAT Mike Rothschild!) I could not have "purchased" that treasured experience and memory
for 10,000 times what we'd spent on that abandoned Spit.

In its prime, it was probably not much more than a mid-pack Regional GP car; by today's standards, the engine and other modificiations were barely "warmed over
street" level. And by the mid-1990s, I wasn't using it nearly as much anyway (young children and all that). Outside of VTR National Conventions, i.e., any local Solo II event,
it was barely competitive with "stock" Neons. But I didn't care, 'cause it was still fun!

--Andy Mace



*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 13:29:47 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:29:47 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Spitty for sale...
Message-ID: <d63.3fd563e3.37dbff2b@aol.com>

The Spitty has sold to the first guy that looked at it.
 
There's still a Yellow GT6 MK3 racer available  though...


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Sep 11 13:42:51 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:42:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spitty for sale...
In-Reply-To: <d63.3fd563e3.37dbff2b@aol.com>
References: <d63.3fd563e3.37dbff2b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111542000.4788@isis.mit.edu>

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:

> The Spitty has sold to the first guy that looked at it.
>
> There's still a Yellow GT6 MK3 racer available  though...

There's also another Spit on that board:

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/1368816464.html

Looks like a good starter car, although for the $$$ there'd better be a 
LOT of spares.

rml
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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Sep 11 13:59:41 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:59:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitty for sale...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111542000.4788@isis.mit.edu>
References: <d63.3fd563e3.37dbff2b@aol.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111542000.4788@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <40F8C628647544D19C6741B076905D8F@joepentiumnew>

Quite a disparity in price between this one and the last!  :)

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Robert Lang
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:43 PM
To: Gt6steve at aol.com
Cc: FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitty for sale...

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:

> The Spitty has sold to the first guy that looked at it.
>
> There's still a Yellow GT6 MK3 racer available  though...

There's also another Spit on that board:

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/1368816464.html

Looks like a good starter car, although for the $$$ there'd better be a 
LOT of spares.

rml
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Sep 11 14:42:24 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:42:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spitty for sale...
In-Reply-To: <40F8C628647544D19C6741B076905D8F@joepentiumnew>
References: <d63.3fd563e3.37dbff2b@aol.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111542000.4788@isis.mit.edu>
	<40F8C628647544D19C6741B076905D8F@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111642001.4788@isis.mit.edu>

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Joe Curry wrote:

> Quite a disparity in price between this one and the last!  :)

Ya, you shoulda jumped when you had the chance!!!


> Joe C.

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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Sep 11 14:46:23 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:46:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitty for sale...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111642001.4788@isis.mit.edu>
References: <d63.3fd563e3.37dbff2b@aol.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111542000.4788@isis.mit.edu>
	<40F8C628647544D19C6741B076905D8F@joepentiumnew>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909111642001.4788@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <F9DD9AF3D4754520A74B661B97081367@joepentiumnew>

With two Spits and no job, it's kinds hard to jump on any price.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu] 
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:42 PM
To: Joe Curry
Cc: Gt6steve at aol.com; FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Fot] Spitty for sale...

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Joe Curry wrote:

> Quite a disparity in price between this one and the last!  :)

Ya, you shoulda jumped when you had the chance!!!


> Joe C.

rml
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 11 16:41:33 2009
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:41:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 front spindles strengthened
Message-ID: <868412.22264.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I have made the investment in the Southwick conversion for my rear axle and
want to strengthen up the front so I don't have the reported lack of pedal. 
For those of you who ran last weekend at PIR, I have spun at the end of the
back stretch three times in the rabbit so I want to make sure I have brakes. 
I taked to Ken at British Frame and Engine and he said that Joe Alexander is
the guy who makes them and monitors this forum.  Can you guys put me in touch
with him or give me some hints on the front of the car as I get it together.
Thanks

Mike Mehl


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Fri Sep 11 18:39:43 2009
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:39:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] tie rod ends for TR4
In-Reply-To: <000001ca3274$69d607f0$6401a8c0@blake1>
References: <000001ca3274$69d607f0$6401a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <0KPU003YL1U9UHT1@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net>

At 08:11 PM 9/10/2009, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:
>Has anyone fond a suitable replacement tie rod end from a Carquest,
>Napa, or the like?  The ones I have from TRF don't engage many threads
>on the female threaded portion where the tie rod end connects to the
>rack.  I would like to find a tie rod end that has a longer female
>threaded section.
>
>I planned to bring one to Carquest and dig through their stock but maybe
>someone has already done that???

Greg, it took me awhile to remember where I saw this: 
http://classicmotorsports.net/articles/turn-triumph-turn/   The 
article mentions Carquest p/n
ES401R and ES401L.

hth

jim

--
J.C. Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
98.9% finished, 90% to go 


From Herald948 at aol.com  Fri Sep 11 20:15:41 2009
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:15:41 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Spitty for sale...
Message-ID: <c27.698ea8e8.37dc5e4d@aol.com>

In a message dated 9/11/2009 3:50:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
lang at isis.mit.edu writes:

There's  also another Spit on that  board:

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/1368816464.html

Looks  like a good starter car, although for the $$$ there'd better be a 
LOT of  spares.
 
==AM==
Geez, depending on the "period," my car is far more "period correct"! I  
mean, the infamous Hardly Boys RaceSpit 4 has NO rollcage (just a fairly stout 
 bar), single-circuit brake system, original fuel tank (with trunk-mounted 
Bendix  fuel pump), etc., etc. ;) 
 
That's one of many reasons why we decided NOT to go racing with what even  
in 1983 was a long-abandoned race car. It would've cost too much even then 
just  to make it a legal "school" car, let alone competitive on any level of  
Production racing....
 
--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph 
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sat Sep 12 02:46:53 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 02:46:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] One more view from the CRC part one
Message-ID: <5F229567-553D-425D-9D50-E64DE6F09BCF@earthlink.net>

Hello All,
In typical Lunker fashion, this isn't going to be brief but a story  
worth telling with some lessons worth my remembering - putting them  
to print might help...
What a wonderful event! SOVREN put on a true Class Act. Great workers  
from both the track and the club [many Triumph enthusiasts], a fun  
course [thankfully not to hard to learn], and I don't think the  
schedule ever faltered. As always at a Kastner Cup race, it was great  
to put names with faces and cars as well as seeing those I only meet  
up with occasionally. The 1/2 lap track tour I got in the '24 Bentley  
Drophead [in the rain] was an act all in itself. Although it was a A+  
for "Class Act" it was a D- in terms of track familiarization.
The FoT also put on a Class act of our own. I got several comments  
from SOVREN regulars about our "Spirit of  Vintage" - seemingly like  
members of one team converging from all over to keep 'em rollin'.  
Three different body shops [ Chuck, Jerry and Bill] and as many or  
more transmission swap shops. How many transmissions did we go thru  
as a group? I [we - right Henry?] changed one but killed two, heard  
Jerry Barker killed 4, Chuck swapped one and Mordy finished with a 3  
speed and TR3 Peter from B.C. [I'm going to nominate him once I find  
his info] loaded up Sunday also with a 3 speed... how many did I  
miss? Chuck's visit to the swap meet for a tail light explains a lot  
- Connie was in awe thinking he actually had a spare in his kit! What  
a team we have!!! There were many of you that I didn't [sorry] take  
the time to seek out, but met FoT enthusiasm everywhere.
My first run of the event was my best showing - The Albuquerque/ 
Portland Enduro. Gave Connie a 3 day head start. She flew, Barley and  
I towed. Got on the road 1 hour late of my already 12 hour late  
"revised" schedule. 13 hours late with 1400 miles to make it up...  
piece of cake. OK, so Connie did have 2 1/2 days of business in Vegas  
in route but thats what a handicap race is all about. 1396 miles   
with a 27.5 hour E.T. = 50.76 MPH including fuel stops and a 4 hour  
truck-stop nap. The very moment I pulled under the hotel canopy was  
when the phone rang - Connie's flight was 20 minutes early! Did a  
quick check-in and off to pick her up. Got to "Arrivals" 6 minutes  
before her scheduled ETA so I'm calling it a win. Set out for the  
nearest gas station. About 8 miles into the search it dawned on me  
that since there is no Self Serve in Oregon, there just is not gas to  
be had at every corner convenience store. Although I spent 10 years  
in Oregon I couldn't explain the no self-serv law to Connie - anyone  
know why/how that archaic law manages to still be on the books? Knew  
we were going to run out but no big deal - got to the shoulder, got a  
splash-&-go by running the race car fuel pump, and we were on our  
way. That lasted for about 5 more miles of searching until it died  
again at a rush-hour stop light ... now we were screwed. In less than  
one cycle of the light a mini-van driving, tow strap totin' good sam  
pulled part-way into the intersection, hooked us up and dragged us  
thru to the shoulder. A bit more patience with the racer fuel pump  
got us enough to get back to the hotel. Naturally I found gas within  
a block. Once again proving her sainthood, Connie actually found this  
all mildly amusing - thought it was "cute" that I would risk running  
out for the sake of not making her wait at the airport. That was it  
for Thursday. Got to the track Friday A.M. and were the first at  
registration. First time I've been in time to be first to register.  
For Anything. Ever! Got unloaded, pit set up, thru tech, etc. All  
good. Next was one of my best strategies of the whole weekend - Seek  
out Stewards, Marshals, Corner Workers. Anyone with any influence   
who would listen to my story. Leaky rear main - yes. Diaper - yes.  
Dripping on the exhaust - yes. Smoking - yes. Long tow - yes. Oiling  
track - NO. Spread the word as best I could. Even went so far as to  
bring Fran - Chief of black-flag station - a bouquet of roses freshly  
poached from the hotel. Worked! I did get the furled black pointed my  
way a time or two for smoking, it only resulted in a post race trip  
to black flag where Fran would tell me it was time to change the  
diaper. All well and feeling ready for Saturday rain or shine. Boy  
was I heading for a rude awakening!

Stay tuned, more to follow.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sat Sep 12 02:50:41 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg Lunker Hilyer)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 02:50:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] One more view part 2
Message-ID: <D9E048E9-B4A5-4E18-80D5-0A9712659925@earthlink.net>

Saturday dawned just ducky... perfect for ducks and those who like to  
drive in the rain. I like slippery and was actually pretty giddy in  
anticipation of the "equalizing" conditions. First session was  
combination first time on track/practice/qualifying. What a rude  
awakening! [Note to self - Of 10 year old, rock hard AND over- 
inflated street tires, rains are not made]. First time I've ever been  
the moving chicane and felt like a genuine hazard. I couldn't even  
accelerate in a straight line let alone brake or turn. If it wasn't  
for really needing the track time, I would have bagged it and come  
in. As it was I was being passed by everything, sometimes a pack at a  
time on both sides, with the folks on the out-side not having a clue  
that even at street speeds I was doing my best not to drift right  
into them. Never saw the qualifying times but would imagine I was 3  
minutes plus. This was simply not going to do. Skipped the next race  
while I went over to the Washington side for new street tires for the  
wet [Got a outrageously good deal on a set of Bridgestone's that will  
ultimately go on Connie's P1800]. 40 minutes to spare before the  
Battle of Britain race and naturally it was clearing and on went the  
Hoosiers. By virtue of my miserable qualifying session combined with  
a inverted grid, I started 3rd or 4th. Although the car had a bad but  
occasional misfire for about 1/3rd of every lap [very audible from  
the stands I was told] , I managed to build a pretty good lead and  
got a bit complacent. Until Jeff Quick and a whole gaggle of TR4s  
appeared in my mirrors that is, and in no time at all Jeff made a  
great pass. Then it was on again with us changing positions at least  
a few times in the final laps. I've endeared the Plum Pi many times  
in the past with statements like "proud of that little car", "never  
ceases to amaze me" etc.  and even gone so far as to give it a name -  
something I just don't do to inanimate objects - but the car must  
have something [beyond my understanding] going on. For the last four  
laps it mysteriously gave me all 4 cylinders ALL the time for the  
win. Very cool that TR4s swept 1st-4th out of a 26 car field. Skipped  
the last race of the day and chased the mysterious misfire.  
Unfortunate that I played with so many things at once that I'll never  
be certain what the root cause was.
Sunday A.M. was light drizzle turning to real rain for the practice -  
I passed on that one. Black Flag Fran gave me two great tips. 1- put  
2 rains on one side of the car, 2 drys on the other side and wait for  
the call to grid to decide which two to take off. 2 - before  
deciding, look down the front straight... if it's raining but you can  
see the hills, you'll be OK. If the hills are socked in, put on the  
rains. Worked and was correct every time. First race was wet and went  
OK. Must have been pretty uneventful as I don't remember much other  
than that the car ran strong and I didn't embarrass myself. Next up  
was the Kastner Cup. A little bird named Irv came by and gave me the  
heads-up that we would be gridded first-come, first-served at the  
grid and was the first production car behind the specials. Great! Not  
a bad start and Yes Bill B., in hindsight I must have tried a move at  
turn 1 because after the hit I was never within range again.  *****   
Break in the commentary here and no offense to any reader, but I'm  
getting really tired of being hit in the first lap of the feature  
race. Two events in a row now. Sandia 8/15, Alfa hard into RR tire/ 
fender/door on turn 9 of the first lap. Didn't put me off but brought  
me in fearing fender over tire and that was the race. PIR Kastner cup  
9/6, hit exactly opposite side tire/fender [missed door] turn 8 [?]  
of first lap. [ Note to self - "owning the line" has no power over a  
divebomber with locked-up brakes. If I really, REALLY, don't want to  
be hit, I had better give wide berth to all unknown vessels.]  ****    
Anyway, the Cup race started in a downpour but given Fran's advice I  
knew I had made the right decision to go on race rubber. The race to  
turn 1 went fine as did the next few corners. I think the back side  
may have gotten a bit more rain than the start, but at any rate we  
all started to stack up a bit coming into the first slowish corner  
[8? or is that 7?]. I knew I was about to be hit the moment before  
impact. In the moments before going off I had time for two thoughts  
[well three if you include s**t, not again]. 1- this club has no 4- 
off rule and 2- I'm going backwards off the track... I'm still going  
backwards but I'm not going to get t-boned.... I'm running out of  
pavement.... but if I crank the wheel right about......... NOW, I can  
pull a Rockford Files turn and end up going the right direction. Got  
say that it worked perfect - car still running - grabbed first,  
straighten out a bit, into second [last time it worked when I needed  
it] and eased back on-track at a gentle angle and back in the hunt  
somewhere near the back of the pack.    *****   Another break in the  
commentary for a Op-Ed. - Makes me wonder about the wisdom of no 4- 
off rule for our level of racing - having a shaken/startled/maybe  
damaged/maybe angry driver come back on track with pursuit in mind  
might not be the best thing - glad I was only a couple of those  
things at the time .   *****    Next time into the chicane was the  
next time I was counting on 2nd gear. It wasn't there. I couldn't  
believe I missed a shift but none the less, 2nd wasn't there, the car  
wasn't about to rotate and there wasn't any way I was going to make  
it. Rather than doing something stupid and sideways I drove up up the  
chicane and parked - No way to safely come back on after that one. A  
few went by and back on again. Found second a time or two after that  
but even holding it in wasn't working. Last time I tried it sounded  
like the proverbial bag of marbles. Third was soon to follow. Spent  
the last laps holding it in third with lots of left foot braking when  
I had to but using 4th for most of a lap. Felt pretty good about  
working my way back to 8th.

Stay tuned, more to follow.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM 


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sat Sep 12 02:50:57 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg Lunker Hilyer)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 02:50:57 -0600
Subject: [Fot] One more view part 3
Message-ID: <4C947969-E9BE-4164-818D-9EB4CFA35EEB@earthlink.net>

Enter Henry Frye. Not that he wasn't there helping all along but his  
first eureka moment was when he put two and two together in a way I  
might never have. I had the trans most of the way out [with no  
replacement yet in hand] when he enlightened me as to the cause of  
the failure - Yes, I was under lots of power in 2nd when I got hit.  
Yes, my rear is locked. YES, second must have taken tremendous  
loading when the wheel got hit. Solid conclusion. Begin the hunt for  
a trans. Tony Garmey had a 6 box but no clutch disk [my C/R disk  
doesn't have compatible splines]. No worry - I drilled and eventually  
cut the already FUBAR fork shaft out of his trans. knowing that I  
would somewhere come up with a compatible plate and use my fork and  
shaft. Got dressed in funny cloths and went to the Vintage Dress  
party. We were there about 5 minutes when Bill Babcock tells me he  
has a disk if I want to follow him to the house. Great! Connie and I  
grab a couple plates of BBQ to go and follow him out. Thus begins the  
most hair raising drive of the weekend. Following his Ferrari [F355?]  
on regular surface streets was fine, but challenging. Then comes the  
hill country of his home track. I'm driving a well loaded Chev PU  
while Connie is doing her best Human Gimbal act with two heavily  
loaded plates of food. I've put maybe 75,000 miles on that truck and  
have never before broken traction on bare pavement. Gee, maybe it's  
the racer in me but damn if I'm going to poke along to find a  
giggling Ferrari driver waiting for me at the top of some unknown  
hill. Stuck with him as best I could - sliding blind corners, on  
coming traffic, Connie balancing plates and all. OK, so I did manage  
to roll a cigarette but that's not the point! Upon arrival at Casa de  
Babcock, Bill proceeded to give me a brief tour while searching for  
the needed disk. Diane poured drinks and fully entertained Connie.  
Barley sat down in the front seat and enjoyed 2 big plates of BBQ.  
The needed disk proved to be elusive. Finally Bill took me up to a  
trailer full of TR parts, picked the best looking 3 box he had and  
said 'bet we'll find a disk for this! He did. Used but as near new as  
one could hope for. Life was good again and down the hill we went.  
Minus two plates of mediocre food but plus one [donated] transmission  
and clutch disk. Henry was going to meet me at 7 A.M. to help with  
the install and, like I said, life was again good. Hungry but good.  
Woke at 6 with the certain realization that I still didn't have  
compatible parts. Called Henry at 6:15 and told him to go back to  
bed, I'd call if I found the compatible disk. I've been thru so many  
instances of TR4 pressure plate/ 6 disk, 6 plate Dolomite/7 disk etc.  
etc. that I'm easily confused. 7:08 A.M. enter Henry again. There to  
SHOW me that I've got the right stuff. Right he was. Before going  
further he pointed out that the TR3 T/O carrier would NOT work with a  
diaphragm pressure plate - something I never would have got until I  
installed it and it didn't work. Swapped it from my old trans and we  
were on our way. Made up a crude pilot gauge [no alignment tool  
handy] and let Henry eyeball the fit. After one 3 minute false start  
[with Henry up top and me under] the bellhousing found home and it  
was just nuts and bolts after that. Had to admit to Henry that rarely  
have I had a trans hit home so easily. Also had to admit that he was  
the first person to EVER turn a wrench on my car before! [Note to  
self - GOOD help is actually helpful]. Still turning wrenches during  
the FoT family photo and passed on practice but was good and ready  
for the first race of Monday. Had a pretty good run going until the  
meatball. Thought sure my oil leak had finally caught up with me but  
NOO! I think what happened is that they somehow thought that the tail  
pipe on the track [Mordy's]  was mine. Regardless of how quick my  
Black Flag Station stop was, it didn't matter, the car knew the race  
was over [here I am giving it human qualities again] and refused to  
go but 100 feet further. Now I'm stopped in a very bad spot - off  
line but exactly where an errant car would go if blowing the last  
turn. Thanks to a strong Optima batt., I was able to back into the  
grid on the starter. Back to the pits and troubleshooting a  
electrical glitch. Seemed likely it was as simple as a bad condenser.  
Easiest to just pop in the spare distributor. Started right up. Once.  
Second time it ran a bit, died, and would not re-start. Back into the  
spares box for a coil. That did the trick [was that my mystery mis  
all the time?] Henry's mounting it while I'm getting suited up. Off  
to grid. 100' short car dies. Henry buttoned everything up but I'm  
the one who unplugged the fuel pump while troubleshooting. Out of the  
belts, out of the car, hood up, plug in pump and reverse the last few  
steps, start car and arrive late to grid. Last in line. Meanwhile,  
Connie and Henry have staked their places in the grandstands at the  
chicane. Cars come on track and Henry is going into conniptions  
trying to figure out where I am /what happened. To me, starting from  
the back with a strong car often produces the must memorable runs.  
Being last gave good opportunity to really warm the tires and I took  
full advantage. Also gave the opportunity to get a good run on the  
start which I took full advantage of. Best run I had all weekend.  
Started at the end of a 26 car field. Ended up 16th with a D-P  
victory. After a hard battle with Tony the last 4 or 5 laps, it was  
the 911 we were both trying to get around that finally gave me the  
pass him. Great stuff Tony! Hope I can make it to Hallett. Babcock's  
donated trans. did exactly what it was supposed to - lasted ONE race  
and was also popping out of gear towards the end.
I think it's hard for any of us to say with a straight face that  
Triumph's are the best cars, but no doubt in my mind that Triumph  
People are the best people around.
Hey Henry, Did I say THANKS? Perhaps I Could have done it without you  
but more importantly I Wouldn't have done it with out you setting me  
straight. As Connie told you, the trip home was much more pleasant  
than another outcome might have presented.
The trip home was exactly what we wanted... Hot tubs separated by  
short periods of driving.
What a blast. All the best to you all.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM


From klynch_6 at msn.com  Sat Sep 12 13:04:17 2009
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:04:17 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Albq. meets Portland
Message-ID: <BLU126-DS2D0A7D4977D7E8C04AF3BB7E60@phx.gbl>

In from yard work & just now finished the 'Lunkerlore Trilogy'.
What a supporting cast & nice save Henry!

I love a 'going down swingin' ending...

'bueno' Greg, regards to Connie.

Kevin


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sat Sep 12 13:42:39 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:42:39 EDT
Subject: [Fot] 3.89 CWP's
Message-ID: <cfc.61409651.37dd53af@aol.com>

Amici, anybody have a good source for diffs or components for the small  
chassis cars?  I need 3.89 CWP's as well as 3.65 and 4.11.  There are  just 
none left in Vegas!
 
I'll be hittin' up the Brits pretty soon too!
 
Steve


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sat Sep 12 14:11:36 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:11:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
Message-ID: <9E40DDCA1C83483CAE111819184B986B@hal9000>

FoT/ FYI,

The copper figure 8's that would come with the standard gasket set are .006
thicker 

than the shim steel gaskets. I was just about to fit the cylinder head when
I thought

I'd give it a check. Sure enough, way too high.

I almost took it for granted as on the last build I had the block decked and
the liners

machined to exactly .004 proud. Wish I would have had that same thought
before I 

put the pistons in but disaster averted nevertheless.

It's likely many of you already knew this but it's new to me.

 

Jim G


From horizonracing at msn.com  Sat Sep 12 16:19:38 2009
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:19:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
In-Reply-To: <9E40DDCA1C83483CAE111819184B986B@hal9000>
References: <9E40DDCA1C83483CAE111819184B986B@hal9000>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W2917007D570A7442758C25B2E60@phx.gbl>

If you were to torque the head down.......then remove it......won't the copper
crush? were as the steel gaskets stay "about" the same.

> From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:11:36 -0600
> Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
>
> FoT/ FYI,
>
> The copper figure 8's that would come with the standard gasket set are .006
> thicker
>
> than the shim steel gaskets. I was just about to fit the cylinder head when
> I thought
>
> I'd give it a check. Sure enough, way too high.
>
> I almost took it for granted as on the last build I had the block decked
and
> the liners
>
> machined to exactly .004 proud. Wish I would have had that same thought
> before I
>
> put the pistons in but disaster averted nevertheless.
>
> It's likely many of you already knew this but it's new to me.
>
>
>
> Jim G
>
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sat Sep 12 17:05:26 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 19:05:26 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
Message-ID: <cb7.597ad777.37dd8336@aol.com>

Bearing in mind that I don't build TR4 motors...
 
I thought the extra height was an advantage sorely needed by the racing  
community?  
 
 
In a message dated 9/12/2009 3:20:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
horizonracing at msn.com writes:

If you  were to torque the head down.......then remove it......won't the  
copper
crush? were as the steel gaskets stay "about" the same.

>  From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date:  Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:11:36 -0600
> Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure  eight gaskets
>
> FoT/ FYI,
>
> The copper figure 8's  that would come with the standard gasket set are 
.006
>  thicker
>
> than the shim steel gaskets. I was just about to fit  the cylinder head 
when
> I thought
>
> I'd give it a check.  Sure enough, way too high.
>
> I almost took it for granted as on  the last build I had the block decked
and
> the  liners
>
> machined to exactly .004 proud. Wish I would have had  that same thought
> before I
>
> put the pistons in but  disaster averted nevertheless.
>
> It's likely many of you already  knew this but it's new to me.
>
>
>
> Jim  G
>
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From gasket.works at verizon.net  Sat Sep 12 18:08:53 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:08:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
References: <9E40DDCA1C83483CAE111819184B986B@hal9000>
	<BLU136-W2917007D570A7442758C25B2E60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000b01ca3406$617b0220$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

You would never have enough clamping force on the liners to crush dead soft 
copper fig of 8's appreciably.  No, the liner gaskets need to be at the 
appropriate thickness to raise the liners to the proper height.  Naturally, 
this measurement needs to be done under some load.

What I do is meticulously clean the the block liner perch and ensure the 
liner pedestal is clean. -then fit the liner bare.  Measure the liner 
position relative to the deck.  I use a simple but straight edge and use a 
feeler gauge to get the clearance. Then make a determination as to the fig 
of "8" gasket needed to get the liner to .005" in my racing motor.  .003" is 
not enough (me thinks).   I make individual rings for each liner as needed. 
I can't believe that figure of 8 gaskets still exist.  I may have .012" on 
one liner and .014" on its neighbor.   Alternatively, I sometimes face off 
the liner on a lathe to clean it up and use thicker rings as needed.

For the purpose of a sealant on the bottom of the liner to the block... use 
a very thin coat of aviation gasket sealant, gascachinch, indian head 
shellac... or some thin goop. You don't need much.  At one time I used no 
goop at all.  I don't use yammabond, hylomar, silicone Rtv for this purpose 
they will raise the liner a bit.




Mordy


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sat Sep 12 19:24:21 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 19:24:21 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
Message-ID: <644BA52368834A148AFE52041E8DFCC9@hal9000>

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Gray [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net] 
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:24 PM
To: 'MORDY DUNST'
Subject: RE: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets

Mordy,
I agree about not being able to compress the copper..006 is a lot to
compress. I made a set of aluminum bars I cinch down on top of the liners
to simulate the head being in place so I measure liner protrusion under
pressure. My liners and deck height were sized for.004 with the steel
gaskets. I assemble things just as you do. 
I have the right figure 8's now and my liners settled down exactly where
they should be. I just don't think it's a good thing to offer gaskets in
different thicknesses without at least a note to the buyer.
It would have certainly resulted in a head gasket failure...again!

jg


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MORDY DUNST
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 6:09 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets

You would never have enough clamping force on the liners to crush dead soft 
copper fig of 8's appreciably.  No, the liner gaskets need to be at the 
appropriate thickness to raise the liners to the proper height.  Naturally, 
this measurement needs to be done under some load.

What I do is meticulously clean the the block liner perch and ensure the 
liner pedestal is clean. -then fit the liner bare.  Measure the liner 
position relative to the deck.  I use a simple but straight edge and use a 
feeler gauge to get the clearance. Then make a determination as to the fig 
of "8" gasket needed to get the liner to .005" in my racing motor.  .003" is

not enough (me thinks).   I make individual rings for each liner as needed. 
I can't believe that figure of 8 gaskets still exist.  I may have .012" on 
one liner and .014" on its neighbor.   Alternatively, I sometimes face off 
the liner on a lathe to clean it up and use thicker rings as needed.

For the purpose of a sealant on the bottom of the liner to the block... use 
a very thin coat of aviation gasket sealant, gascachinch, indian head 
shellac... or some thin goop. You don't need much.  At one time I used no 
goop at all.  I don't use yammabond, hylomar, silicone Rtv for this purpose 
they will raise the liner a bit.




Mordy
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Sep 12 19:28:23 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:28:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
Message-ID: <20090913012840.6A1AF187657@autox.team.net>

Who is going to Hallett with CVAR in October?  Anyone want to split a 
"garage" (canopy?) rental?

Thanks, Tony Drews


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Sep 12 19:30:20 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:30:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Next race planning
Message-ID: <20090913013033.0DE40187657@autox.team.net>

Also, what hotel is favored for this event?

Thanks, Tony

>Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:28:23 -0500
>To: Amici Triumphi
>From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
>Subject: Next race planning
>
>Who is going to Hallett with CVAR in October?  Anyone want to split 
>a "garage" (canopy?) rental?
>
>Thanks, Tony Drews


From gasket.works at verizon.net  Sat Sep 12 20:06:21 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 19:06:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] clarification.... figure eight gaskets...
References: <9E40DDCA1C83483CAE111819184B986B@hal9000>
	<BLU136-W2917007D570A7442758C25B2E60@phx.gbl>
	<000b01ca3406$617b0220$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
Message-ID: <002301ca3416$ca355c60$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

Moss sells good parts and strives to make sure that buyers know what they 
are getting.

Just to be clear....  it is up to the installer and builder of the engine to 
know what they are getting into.   Most TR enthusiasts apart from our group 
may build an engine perhaps once in their carreers -mostly as a lark.

Just want to settle some issues.   It is upto the engine builder to have 
enough sense to measure the parts they are installing and to recognize 
problems before they occur.   Just purchasing parts off the shelf and 
assembling blindly is a surefire way of failure. Subtleties in assembly come 
with time and experience not, found in books.

Still learning....

Mordy


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Sep 12 22:05:14 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:05:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
References: <20090913012840.6A1AF187657@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <E52AFE828162487D869694F2D17E6206@latitudefb1e41>

I was planning on skipping Hallett this year but I'll reconsider if you are 
coming and split a canopy. Gary Fuqua usually comes to Hallett too.

I usually stay in Sand Springs at the Hampton, but if you are into economy 
inns the Boomtown Inn is OK.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:28 PM
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning


> Who is going to Hallett with CVAR in October?  Anyone want to split a 
> "garage" (canopy?) rental?
>
> Thanks, Tony Drews
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From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Sat Sep 12 23:50:20 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 01:50:20 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
Message-ID: <cdf.576e5102.37dde21c@aol.com>

OK, just to clarify a bit....Gary....That would be me....Has paid for both  
sides of the canopy for that last couple of years after Larry Young decided 
to  retire.  There have been a few occasions when some form of compensation 
was  not forth coming.  I also pay for space at TWS whether I use it or  
not.  Having blathered on about this if you are coming just let me know  when 
you plan to arrive and how many "Race" cars are coming so we can do some  
arranging.  There is ALWAYS room for one more  Triumph!!
 
Cheer, Gary


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Sun Sep 13 09:59:26 2009
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 10:59:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <cdf.576e5102.37dde21c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000301ca348b$388836f0$6401a8c0@blake1>

Depending on the reliability of the Blake cars at TWS next weekend, we
may be there too.  Dad is sorting out a "new" car, from the pictures I
have seen this weekend it looks like he is putting the new head gasket
on today.  I'll be breaking in a(nother) motor at TWS next weekend.

It would be worth the trip just to see how Kramer gets two TR4s to OK.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 12:50 AM
To: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net; tony at tonydrews.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning

OK, just to clarify a bit....Gary....That would be me....Has paid for
both  
sides of the canopy for that last couple of years after Larry Young
decided 
to  retire.  There have been a few occasions when some form of
compensation 
was  not forth coming.  I also pay for space at TWS whether I use it or

not.  Having blathered on about this if you are coming just let me know
when 
you plan to arrive and how many "Race" cars are coming so we can do some

arranging.  There is ALWAYS room for one more  Triumph!!
 
Cheer, Gary
You are subscribed as ablake2 at austin.rr.com

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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun Sep 13 12:27:41 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:27:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
In-Reply-To: <000b01ca3406$617b0220$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
References: <9E40DDCA1C83483CAE111819184B986B@hal9000>
	<BLU136-W2917007D570A7442758C25B2E60@phx.gbl>
	<000b01ca3406$617b0220$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
Message-ID: <4AAD399D.2040804@pobox.com>

I don't know how anyone ever gets by using the gaskets that come with a 
rebuild kit.  I've never found them to produce the correct height.  I've 
always done it similar to Mordy's approach.  Mordy will make the gaskets 
for anyone, but that involves the (snail) mailman in a trial and error 
operation.  I found a simple way to make my own gaskets.  I usually make 
a bunch at a time in a variety of thicknesses.  The method is posted at 
the bottom of Tony's "uncle jacks engine building tips", 
www.tonydrews.com.  In a pinch, I have also cut down my liners on a belt 
sander.  This works, but you have to be careful to keep them straight.  
As you remove material, frequently measure the liner height with 
calipers at different positions around the liner.

Larry

MORDY DUNST wrote:
> You would never have enough clamping force on the liners to crush dead 
> soft copper fig of 8's appreciably.  No, the liner gaskets need to be 
> at the appropriate thickness to raise the liners to the proper 
> height.  Naturally, this measurement needs to be done under some load.
>
> What I do is meticulously clean the the block liner perch and ensure 
> the liner pedestal is clean. -then fit the liner bare.  Measure the 
> liner position relative to the deck.  I use a simple but straight edge 
> and use a feeler gauge to get the clearance. Then make a determination 
> as to the fig of "8" gasket needed to get the liner to .005" in my 
> racing motor.  .003" is not enough (me thinks).   I make individual 
> rings for each liner as needed. I can't believe that figure of 8 
> gaskets still exist.  I may have .012" on one liner and .014" on its 
> neighbor.   Alternatively, I sometimes face off the liner on a lathe 
> to clean it up and use thicker rings as needed.
>
> For the purpose of a sealant on the bottom of the liner to the 
> block... use a very thin coat of aviation gasket sealant, gascachinch, 
> indian head shellac... or some thin goop. You don't need much.  At one 
> time I used no goop at all.  I don't use yammabond, hylomar, silicone 
> Rtv for this purpose they will raise the liner a bit.
>
>
>
>
> Mordy
>
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From kaskas at cox.net  Sun Sep 13 13:02:03 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 12:02:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
In-Reply-To: <4AAD399D.2040804@pobox.com>
References: <9E40DDCA1C83483CAE111819184B986B@hal9000><BLU136-W2917007D570A7442758C25B2E60@phx.gbl><000b01ca3406$617b0220$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
	<4AAD399D.2040804@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <B1E9E316B0D0468A96DB00424B027953@KasPC>

To shorten a sleeve and you do not have a lathe to do the job square, try 
lapping on a sheet of 180 grit wet and dry paper on a sheet of glass. Use 
water on the paper as a lapping  liquid. Old car window or piece from a 
plate glass house (have them smooth the edges). Turn the sleeve in your hand 
as you lap so no one side is favored. Works pretty well when you only need 
couple or so thou's.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
To: "MORDY DUNST" <gasket.works at verizon.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets


>I don't know how anyone ever gets by using the gaskets that come with a
> rebuild kit.  I've never found them to produce the correct height.  I've
> always done it similar to Mordy's approach.  Mordy will make the gaskets
> for anyone, but that involves the (snail) mailman in a trial and error
> operation.  I found a simple way to make my own gaskets.  I usually make
> a bunch at a time in a variety of thicknesses.  The method is posted at
> the bottom of Tony's "uncle jacks engine building tips",
> www.tonydrews.com.  In a pinch, I have also cut down my liners on a belt
> sander.  This works, but you have to be careful to keep them straight.
> As you remove material, frequently measure the liner height with
> calipers at different positions around the liner.
>
> Larry
>
> MORDY DUNST wrote:
>> You would never have enough clamping force on the liners to crush dead
>> soft copper fig of 8's appreciably.  No, the liner gaskets need to be
>> at the appropriate thickness to raise the liners to the proper
>> height.  Naturally, this measurement needs to be done under some load.
>>
>> What I do is meticulously clean the the block liner perch and ensure
>> the liner pedestal is clean. -then fit the liner bare.  Measure the
>> liner position relative to the deck.  I use a simple but straight edge
>> and use a feeler gauge to get the clearance. Then make a determination
>> as to the fig of "8" gasket needed to get the liner to .005" in my
>> racing motor.  .003" is not enough (me thinks).   I make individual
>> rings for each liner as needed. I can't believe that figure of 8
>> gaskets still exist.  I may have .012" on one liner and .014" on its
>> neighbor.   Alternatively, I sometimes face off the liner on a lathe
>> to clean it up and use thicker rings as needed.
>>
>> For the purpose of a sealant on the bottom of the liner to the
>> block... use a very thin coat of aviation gasket sealant, gascachinch,
>> indian head shellac... or some thin goop. You don't need much.  At one
>> time I used no goop at all.  I don't use yammabond, hylomar, silicone
>> Rtv for this purpose they will raise the liner a bit.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mordy
>>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Sep 13 13:37:09 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:37:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
In-Reply-To: <B1E9E316B0D0468A96DB00424B027953@KasPC>
References: <9E40DDCA1C83483CAE111819184B986B@hal9000><BLU136-W2917007D570A7442758C25B2E60@phx.gbl><000b01ca3406$617b0220$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
	<4AAD399D.2040804@pobox.com> <B1E9E316B0D0468A96DB00424B027953@KasPC>
Message-ID: <4AAD49E5.1050509@bradakis.com>

Kas Kastner wrote:
> To shorten a sleeve and you do not have a lathe to do the job square, 
> try lapping on a sheet of 180 grit wet and dry paper on a sheet of glass.
Hmmm, I thought I had saved a link to a Youtube video of some Swedish
fellows doing a, uh, precision lapping job on a SAAB head.  I know I have
it here somewhere...

mjb.


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sun Sep 13 13:45:38 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:45:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <000301ca348b$388836f0$6401a8c0@blake1>
References: <000301ca348b$388836f0$6401a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <E234266B-F1FE-46DD-B010-50B7FC868172@earthlink.net>

I'm still on the fence but leaning strongly towards making it. Should  
know in the next week or so.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Sep 13, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:

> Depending on the reliability of the Blake cars at TWS next weekend, we
> may be there too.  Dad is sorting out a "new" car, from the pictures I
> have seen this weekend it looks like he is putting the new head gasket
> on today.  I'll be breaking in a(nother) motor at TWS next weekend.
>
> It would be worth the trip just to see how Kramer gets two TR4s to OK.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- 
> bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 12:50 AM
> To: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net; tony at tonydrews.com
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
> OK, just to clarify a bit....Gary....That would be me....Has paid for
> both
> sides of the canopy for that last couple of years after Larry Young
> decided
> to  retire.  There have been a few occasions when some form of
> compensation
> was  not forth coming.  I also pay for space at TWS whether I use  
> it or
>
> not.  Having blathered on about this if you are coming just let me  
> know
> when
> you plan to arrive and how many "Race" cars are coming so we can do  
> some
>
> arranging.  There is ALWAYS room for one more  Triumph!!
>
> Cheer, Gary
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Sep 13 14:43:24 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:43:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Beware of Moss figure eight gaskets
In-Reply-To: <4AAD49E5.1050509@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <20090913204323266.IWWG14103@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com>

> Hmmm, I thought I had saved a link to a Youtube video of some Swedish
> fellows doing a, uh, precision lapping job on a SAAB head.  

Y'know, everybody laughs at that video; but I did much the same thing to a
VW Rabbit many years ago and it worked out great.

Car was given to me with the headgasket blown between #2 & #3; and some
erosion in the head surface from being driven that way.  I cleaned it up by
hand until my carpenter's square said it was flat; total investment in the
car was some spare time and $20 for a head gasket.  Some 10 years and maybe
60,000 miles later, my stepson finished school and sold the car, still
running pretty good considering how many miles were on it.  Only other
engine work was to change the timing belt in the parking lot where it broke.

Randall


From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Sun Sep 13 15:56:14 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:56:14 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
Message-ID: <c50.5745abb3.37dec47e@aol.com>

Sounds like fun to me!!  See everyone there. 


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sun Sep 13 18:25:41 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:25:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
References: <000301ca348b$388836f0$6401a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <1E5B0DD8B4F04E8296C8C3BC94156D1E@latitudefb1e41>

Fortunately for me the college student driver of car no. 2 er, no. 67, is 
unlikely to be able to make the trip. I have a plan for him to get his 
license with 4 events all at TWS. After that he should be employed and we'll 
come up with a new plan.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: <GSFuqua1 at aol.com>; <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>; <tony at tonydrews.com>; 
"'Robert Blake'" <rblake36 at yahoo.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 10:59 AM
Subject: RE: [Fot] Next race planning


> Depending on the reliability of the Blake cars at TWS next weekend, we
> may be there too.  Dad is sorting out a "new" car, from the pictures I
> have seen this weekend it looks like he is putting the new head gasket
> on today.  I'll be breaking in a(nother) motor at TWS next weekend.
>
> It would be worth the trip just to see how Kramer gets two TR4s to OK.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 12:50 AM
> To: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net; tony at tonydrews.com
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
> OK, just to clarify a bit....Gary....That would be me....Has paid for
> both
> sides of the canopy for that last couple of years after Larry Young
> decided
> to  retire.  There have been a few occasions when some form of
> compensation
> was  not forth coming.  I also pay for space at TWS whether I use it or
>
> not.  Having blathered on about this if you are coming just let me know
> when
> you plan to arrive and how many "Race" cars are coming so we can do some
>
> arranging.  There is ALWAYS room for one more  Triumph!!
>
> Cheer, Gary
>
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From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net  Sun Sep 13 22:53:47 2009
From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:53:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
In-Reply-To: <777178.33379.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <777178.33379.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AADCC5B.6080905@cyberspeedway.net>

Dennis DeLap wrote:
> Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.
> 
> Any tips?
> Thanks
> Dennis DeLap
> 
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Amici,
    When you build a Lincoln locker (welded) it is a good idea to weld 
in sheet metal plates on both sides of the diff to contain welds and or 
spider gears if they crack. It will save the R&P and it cuts down on oil 
windage.
Greg


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Sep 14 00:23:14 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:23:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] One more view part 3
References: <4C947969-E9BE-4164-818D-9EB4CFA35EEB@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <A0611C0BCA5649BDA8113A0B693EC6A7@desktop>

Friends,
I've been watching all the emails about CRC and I now I have time and can 
reply.  As some of you know I made a couple of holes in my TR6 block when 
the #3 rod broke on Sunday.  Seems that the piston had kissed the head and 
the rod must have gotten fractured.  Anyway I rebuilt another race motor and 
got it installed this evening.

One of the things so great about this group is the positive attitude about 
these cars.  After reading how easy Henry and Greg made it sound to install 
a transmission, I went in with a positive attitude and had it installed in 
less than 5 minutes, by myself.  I usually can expect a half an hour battle.

Anyway I just wanted to say how good it was to meet all the FoTers and 
especially Kas.  I have to believe that the CRC Kas Cup ( or maybe just the 
Kasner Cup) has to be one of the largest casual gatherings of single marquee 
racecars in the USA.  Maybe I exagerate  little, but it sure was fun.

Well anyway I have my motor back in and just need to pump up the oil 
pressure, start it and get it ready for this weekends race.

Good to meet all you FoTers!

Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44 


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Sep 14 02:06:59 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:06:59 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
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We have welded the whole thing together and made the cage quite hot before
welding.
Make sure that the gears that hold the axle shaft are press fit and flush
with the cage or they will wear out the half shafts if they wobble.



-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von riverside
Gesendet: Freitag, 11. September 2009 17:41
An: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net; William G Rosenbach
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee

My experience is similar.   We first tried welding gears together,
but the welds cracked and made some debris.   Then we
just filled enough low spots to minimize rotation.  still
had a little debris from drain to drain.  Never harmed bearings
or seals.

art de armond

----- Original Message -----
From: "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
To: <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee


> Dennis,
> How about TIG weld filling some of the spider gear teeth, preventing them
> rotating and effectively locking the unit. If needed, you can refit
> standard spider gears to return original function. Uses a lot less energy
> to accomplish, as well. There are some applications available (not TR)
> that you can buy spider gears that have not had all their teeth machined.
> There is a little backlash slop going this way but I've never had the
> opportunity to verify what, if anything is getting beaten up by that
> slop, or if it is protective of other parts.
> Bill
>
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Dennis DeLap
> <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net> writes:
>> Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.
>>
>> Any tips?
>> Thanks
>> Dennis DeLap
>>
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon Sep 14 07:03:10 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:03:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning - Hallett
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Now that would be fun to see Kramer, Hilyer and Drews on the track 
together again.  I've got a new camera with high definition video 
capability.  If I can learn how to use the damn thing, I'll be in charge 
of photos and video.

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer wrote:
> I'm still on the fence but leaning strongly towards making it. Should 
> know in the next week or so.
>
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
> On Sep 13, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:
>
>> Depending on the reliability of the Blake cars at TWS next weekend, we
>> may be there too.  Dad is sorting out a "new" car, from the pictures I
>> have seen this weekend it looks like he is putting the new head gasket
>> on today.  I'll be breaking in a(nother) motor at TWS next weekend.
>>
>> It would be worth the trip just to see how Kramer gets two TR4s to OK.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com
>> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 12:50 AM
>> To: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net; tony at tonydrews.com
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>>
>> OK, just to clarify a bit....Gary....That would be me....Has paid for
>> both
>> sides of the canopy for that last couple of years after Larry Young
>> decided
>> to  retire.  There have been a few occasions when some form of
>> compensation
>> was  not forth coming.  I also pay for space at TWS whether I use it or
>>
>> not.  Having blathered on about this if you are coming just let me know
>> when
>> you plan to arrive and how many "Race" cars are coming so we can do some
>>
>> arranging.  There is ALWAYS room for one more  Triumph!!
>>
>> Cheer, Gary
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Mon Sep 14 08:26:04 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:26:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen
Message-ID: <022201ca3547$4be80f10$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

Hi all, I did the Vintage GP at the Glen over the weekend.
Most of the Triumph folks must have been returning from out west as there was
a shortage of TRs.
Dick Stockton was there with his very nice black rocket. Tim Suddard also had
his car there but I don't know if he ran it; too much going on to see
everything.
I did the re-enactment Friday evening. The event itself had some shakey
weather, but wasn't bad. The trip back to the track was miserable; moonsoonal
rains, cold, dark and ugly. Couldn't see a thing. We had a blast!  Andre
wasn't there so I had another felow fill in!
Saturday was ok and Sunday was nice. Quite a crowd of spectators and some nice
street Triumphs and other intereresting cars. There was an auction with some
nice machinery but I didn't attend and don't know how many sold and at what
prices. My favorite was a '68 Charger RT, red, gorgeous. OK, it's not British,
but I used to work on them. Nice car.
My 6 ran well for a stock engine that's geting tired. I had fun. I've knocked
10 seconds off my lap times with the same car and engine and am not getting
lapped all the time! Progress and seat time. If I had 15 more HP, I would have
beaten that pesky Morgan and that darned Bathtub Porsche!
Morgan and MG were the featured cars this year and there were many Morgans
there, all shapes and sizes. Some seemed to be missing the 4th wheel; those
guys have more nerve than I do!
There's a VRG race at the Glen in early Oct that I plan on attending. It's a
fun, rather low key event. The VRG guys also put on the PVGP event and others.
Nice bunch.

Later, Bill


From andre at gt6.ca  Mon Sep 14 09:52:02 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:52:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen
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Hi Bill yes I was thinking about the run all weekend.

I wish I could have done the Glen this year, but I'm being a good
husband and sucking up to my wife for next year's vintage racing
launch.
(Got some wrenching time in on the car too.)

Some good memories from last year. I'll credit that run I had in the
re-enactment for spurring on my desire to race.

Maybe next year I'll return as a spectator or if the money tree blooms a
racer.

A.

2009/9/14 WILLIAM TOBIN <william.tobin3 at verizon.net>:
> Hi all, I did the Vintage GP at the Glen over the weekend.
> Most of the Triumph folks must have been returning from out west as there
was
> a shortage of TRs.
> Dick Stockton was there with his very nice black rocket. Tim Suddard also
had
> his car there but I don't know if he ran it; too much going on to see
> everything.
> I did the re-enactment Friday evening. The event itself had some shakey
> weather, but wasn't bad. The trip back to the track was miserable;
moonsoonal
> rains, cold, dark and ugly. Couldn't see a thing. We had a blast!  Andre
> wasn't there so I had another felow fill in!
> Saturday was ok and Sunday was nice. Quite a crowd of spectators and some
nice
> street Triumphs and other intereresting cars. There was an auction with
some
> nice machinery but I didn't attend and don't know how many sold and at what
> prices. My favorite was a '68 Charger RT, red, gorgeous. OK, it's not
British,
> but I used to work on them. Nice car.
> My 6 ran well for a stock engine that's geting tired. I had fun. I've
knocked
> 10 seconds off my lap times with the same car and engine and am not getting
> lapped all the time! Progress and seat time. If I had 15 more HP, I would
have
> beaten that pesky Morgan and that darned Bathtub Porsche!
> Morgan and MG were the featured cars this year and there were many Morgans
> there, all shapes and sizes. Some seemed to be missing the 4th wheel; those
> guys have more nerve than I do!
> There's a VRG race at the Glen in early Oct that I plan on attending. It's
a
> fun, rather low key event. The VRG guys also put on the PVGP event and
others.
> Nice bunch.
>
> Later, Bill
>
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'77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
Ottawa, ON, Canada


From adams910 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 11:18:25 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:18:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Watkins Glen Race Report part 1
Message-ID: <673993c50909141018i5517179j8ed703791206ea12@mail.gmail.com>

The weather gods werent kind to those who decided to come to the Glen this
year, with rain all day Friday and Saturday morning. Fortunately, there was
dry track for Saturday afternoons qualifying races and sunshine for
Sundays feature races.



This past weekend had a disappointing turnout of Triumphs, especially after
last year. The few Triumphs that did show up did very well. In Group 1, the
black Spitfire of Pat Ryan won Group 1 overall on Sunday and was running
some very fast laps.



FOTer Jeff Snook was there with his very pretty Lotus Eleven and was looking
good as always.



Dick Stocktons 63 TR4 and Bill Tobins 70 TR6 were the only big Triumphs
entered in what had to be one of the most competitive Group 3 fields that
Ive seen at the Glen.



Bill Tobin looked great in his TR6 and looked to be enjoying himself as
usual.


Dick Stockton had a dramatic weekend that started by qualifying 3rd overall
in the rain, just a few tenths off of Dick Tillingers Datsun roadster and
Bill Thumels trick Elva Courier. However, during the pace lap for the
Saturday qualifying race, some electrical gremlins cropped up and his car
lost power. He was able to get it refired, but not before falling to the
back and having to start in 35th place. In a yellow shortened race (4 green
laps), Dick was able to work his way up to 7th overall just behind the
incredibly quick Yenko Stinger of Logan Dernoshek.


From adams910 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 11:23:02 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:23:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Watkins Glen Race Report Part 2
Message-ID: <673993c50909141023h451286bg8576d8e8dadadcd5@mail.gmail.com>

For the Sunday feature race, Dick took his spot in the 7th position. With
one minute to go, and everyones engines running, a SVRA official conducted
an investigation that resulted in Dick being penalized for passing under
yellow, moving him back to 15th place. While no one was happy with the
decision, Dick took his spot and was determined to quickly move through the
pack. At the green flag, Dick took off and had made up 8 positions by the
end of the 2nd lap. He then ran down the lead pack of cars of Dick Tillinger
(2L Datsun Roadster), Butch Mckenzie (MGB (ex Dave Headley car)), Bob
Colaizzi (Super 7), Logan Dernoshek (Yenko Stinger), Jim Froula (Datsun
Bluebird), and Bill Thumel (x-flow Elva Courier).. all of whom were running
nose to tail. Stockton hooked onto Tillingers bumper and both got by the
Stinger and were in hot pursuit of Mckenzie, Colaizzi, and Froula. Thumel,
who was leading at the time pulled off the track on lap 3 with an apparent
mechanical issue, which left a 5 car train to battle it out for the win. On
lap four Stockton and Tillinger both had a great run out of T1 and drafted
up onto Mckenzie and Colaizzi.. Tillinger went left and Stockton went right,
splitting the MGB and Super 7, with both drivers making hero passes on
Mckenzie and Colaizzi at the entrance of the bus stop. The running order was
now Froula (1st), Tillinger (2nd), Stockton (3rd), Mckenzie (4th), and
Colaizzi (5th). For the next two laps Stockton, Mckenzie and Colaizzi
swapped positions on almost every corner (I dont think you could have
slipped a paper between them), while a car length or two in front, Tillinger
was trying to find a way past Froula who had burned off his tires. Froula
eventually started falling through the pack. Stockton lost momentum getting
by Froula found himself in 4th place at the finish, just a few car lengths
behind Mckenzie (3rd), Colaizzi (2nd) and Tillinger (1st). Stocktons fast
lap was a 2.20.8 (in traffic).

While we could have done without the rain and all the drama, it was a pretty
successful weekend. Hopefully we'll be seeing more Triumphs at the SVRA NJMP
event in two weeks.

Bob


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Sep 14 14:16:47 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:16:47 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
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Question:
If I read Tony's question I get the idea that FOT is not a racing group that
is organizing races together?
More like individuals that sometimes share the same race by accident?
How are US races are organized?
Do you have sign on to every single race or is there a championship where
all the Triumph racers take part?

We in Germany doing the "Triumph-Competition".
This group organize the slots at the races events, collection the fees for
the races, the organize dinners, sponsors, the parking in the paddock and so
on.
Is this comparable to USA?

Cheers
Chris



-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Tony Drews
Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. September 2009 03:28
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Next race planning

Who is going to Hallett with CVAR in October?  Anyone want to split a
"garage" (canopy?) rental?

Thanks, Tony Drews
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Sep 14 15:29:37 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:29:37 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
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I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country. Would
be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in the
Mongolia and we might never meet.



-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net]
Gesendet: Montag, 14. September 2009 23:13
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning

What you do in Germany is much the same as the dozen or so clubs in the USA
do.  Dinners, races and friends.  The Triumph groups though do not put on
races.  There are probably 20 different groups in the country that sanction
(insurance) and promote an event.  The clubs of drivers never does this.
They may be part, but not the sanctioning body.The FOT is just single people

that talk about what they are doing,  not a elected group, no voting, no
dues, no officers, no elections except for the second to become a member.
Remember this country is 3000 miles wide and 2500 miles deep. The race this
time in Portland, Oregon was put on by their local group which runs races in

that area of Washington-Oregon. Look on the map and check out the square
miles in just those two states. My trip up there was 1,228 miles, one way.
----- Original Message -----
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning


> Question:
> If I read Tony's question I get the idea that FOT is not a racing group
> that
> is organizing races together?
> More like individuals that sometimes share the same race by accident?
> How are US races are organized?
> Do you have sign on to every single race or is there a championship where
> all the Triumph racers take part?
>
> We in Germany doing the "Triumph-Competition".
> This group organize the slots at the races events, collection the fees for
> the races, the organize dinners, sponsors, the parking in the paddock and
> so
> on.
> Is this comparable to USA?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Tony Drews
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. September 2009 03:28
> An: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: [Fot] Next race planning
>
> Who is going to Hallett with CVAR in October?  Anyone want to split a
> "garage" (canopy?) rental?
>
> Thanks, Tony Drews
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Sep 14 16:14:23 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:14:23 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort race
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Hi @ all,

here is the newest video taken from my car.
It was a wet race. I'm terribly sorry that sometimes the auto focus liked
the rain drops more than the track but I hope it is fun to watch.

http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5381443852892581074


I had a little trouble before that race #2 you see in that video. At race #1
the right caliper blocked the wheel and in the paddock the axle bearing
grease left the housing, was running over the hot brake disk and started
burning a little. With a paper handkerchief the fire was stopped and only
smoke is left behind.

At the last lap I overtook at a yellow flagged area and got a 20 second
penalty which sat me from position 10 to 15. I'm angry about my mistake
because with that overtaking I had nothing to win, the TR6 is in a higher
class. But if you are close to another car on a wet track a yellow flag is
hard to see.

Cheers
Chris


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Sep 14 16:21:40 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:21:40 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
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I would like to but the air transport of the race car is out of my current
budget.

But Id like to thank you for your nice welcome to USA.

Cheers
Chris

Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 00:07
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning

Just so Amigo, That's why we make so much effort to contact, converse and
meet our like minded friends.  That often involves 1000 mile plus tows but
when you sit around the pits on an evening sharing storiesd and adult
beverages it all seems worth it!

If you were to plan a Holiday in the US to coincide with any race meet you
can trust the Triumph folk would make you welcome!

In a message dated 9/14/2009 2:43:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country. Would
be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in the
Mongolia and we might never meet.


From billb at bnj.com  Fri Sep 11 21:09:45 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:09:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 4 speed tranny tail piece
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I have a lot of transmissiion junk I don't need Chuck. Too bad you  
didn't say something last weekend, you could have browsed through the  
stuff and taken what you needed. I'd pick some stuff out for you but  
I'm not sure what is which.
On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:06 PM, Chuck Arnold wrote:

> Does anybody have a tail peice left over from converting a 4 speed
> TR4-6 tranny to overdrive?  Could use one,and though I got one last
> year, I could use the 4 speed main shaft also.  IF so, let me know
> your price.  I am in Seattle for shipping cost purposes [zip 98109]
> Thanks
> -- 
> Chuck Arnold
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From billb at bnj.com  Fri Sep 11 21:12:50 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:12:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Welded Diff & Chuck Gee
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Use lots. I did this once and baqsically fused everything.
On Sep 10, 2009, at 8:38 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote:

> Amici -  I am going to try my hand at welding up a diff.
>
> Any tips?
> Thanks
> Dennis DeLap
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon Sep 14 17:46:47 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:46:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
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Chris,
I used to visit Europe frequently and lived in Norway for 1 1/2 years.  
The distances involved are what makes everything different here.  We try 
to have these focus events to bring everyone together, but the distances 
are always a problem and limit attendance.  For vintage racing, all the 
organizations are regionally based.  There is VARA in California, VSCDA 
in the Midwest, CVAR for Texas/Oklahoma, RMVR in Colorado, and many 
others.  Luckily, most of them have similar rules, but some are more lax 
about modern parts than others.

If you've never been over here, you ought to come.  If you plan it 
around some races with FoT participation, I'm sure you will feel welcome.

MadMarx wrote:
> I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country. Would
> be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in the
> Mongolia and we might never meet.


From billb at bnj.com  Mon Sep 14 18:29:23 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:29:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
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When I did my All Aluminum tour I did 15 races around the US and  
Canada. It took 20 000 miles of driving to do that.
On Sep 14, 2009, at 1:16 PM, MadMarx wrote:

> Question:
> If I read Tony's question I get the idea that FOT is not a racing  
> group that
> is organizing races together?
> More like individuals that sometimes share the same race by accident?
> How are US races are organized?
> Do you have sign on to every single race or is there a championship  
> where
> all the Triumph racers take part?
>
> We in Germany doing the "Triumph-Competition".
> This group organize the slots at the races events, collection the  
> fees for
> the races, the organize dinners, sponsors, the parking in the  
> paddock and so
> on.
> Is this comparable to USA?
>
> Cheers
> Chris


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Sep 14 18:55:05 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:55:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
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Christian,



Think of coming over in terms of 2012....with or without your car.? 



60th ANNIVERSARY OF TRIUMPH CARS IN COMPETITION.



Joe Alexander


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Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning



Chris,?
I used to visit Europe frequently and lived in Norway for 1 1/2 years. The distances involved are what makes everything different here. We try to have these focus events to bring everyone together, but the distances are always a problem and limit attendance. For vintage racing, all the organizations are regionally based. There is VARA in California, VSCDA in the Midwest, CVAR for Texas/Oklahoma, RMVR in Colorado, and many others. Luckily, most of them have similar rules, but some are more lax about modern parts than others.?
?
If you've never been over here, you ought to come. If you plan it around some races with FoT participation, I'm sure you will feel welcome.?
?
MadMarx wrote:?
> I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country. Would?
> be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in the?
> Mongolia and we might never meet.?
?
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Mon Sep 14 19:20:50 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:20:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Watkins Glen Race Report part 1
References: <673993c50909141018i5517179j8ed703791206ea12@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <023001ca35a2$c3465160$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Thanks Bob, I had a blast.
  I've knocked 10 seconds off last years times with no almost changes in the
car....seat time sure helps. Only the top 5 or 6 guys lapped me; it used to
be the whole field!
  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: "Bob Adams" <adams910 at gmail.com>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:18 PM
  Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Watkins Glen Race Report part 1


  > The weather gods werent kind to those who decided to come to the Glen
this
  > year, with rain all day Friday and Saturday morning. Fortunately, there
was
  > dry track for Saturday afternoons qualifying races and sunshine for
  > Sundays feature races.
  >
  >
  >
  > This past weekend had a disappointing turnout of Triumphs, especially
after
  > last year. The few Triumphs that did show up did very well. In Group 1,
the
  > black Spitfire of Pat Ryan won Group 1 overall on Sunday and was running
  > some very fast laps.
  >
  >
  >
  > FOTer Jeff Snook was there with his very pretty Lotus Eleven and was
looking
  > good as always.
  >
  >
  >
  > Dick Stocktons 63 TR4 and Bill Tobins 70 TR6 were the only big
Triumphs
  > entered in what had to be one of the most competitive Group 3 fields
that
  > Ive seen at the Glen.
  >
  >
  >
  > Bill Tobin looked great in his TR6 and looked to be enjoying himself as
  > usual.
  >
  >
  > Dick Stockton had a dramatic weekend that started by qualifying 3rd
overall
  > in the rain, just a few tenths off of Dick Tillingers Datsun roadster
and
  > Bill Thumels trick Elva Courier. However, during the pace lap for the
  > Saturday qualifying race, some electrical gremlins cropped up and his
car
  > lost power. He was able to get it refired, but not before falling to the
  > back and having to start in 35th place. In a yellow shortened race (4
green
  > laps), Dick was able to work his way up to 7th overall just behind the
  > incredibly quick Yenko Stinger of Logan Dernoshek.
  >
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 19:30:40 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:30:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Watkins Glen Race Report Part 2
In-Reply-To: <022901ca35a1$a6fa9fd0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
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Bill,
I believe Dick's Datsun is an old Bob Sharp car. Neat car and brutally
fast.

That Stinger is neat. It looks like a real handful of a car in the corners,
but the driver was doing an awesome job with it (I believe he is an ASA/Pro
Hooters Cup competitor). It was right with the lead pack and then dropped
way back at the end (spun?).

The MGB is a car you've all seen before (remember that ridiculously fast
yellow one from the Mitty in '05? Burt Levy also drove it in the same issue
as George Wright's car). That thing is on rails.

Bummer to hear about the Elva.. it's a very pretty car and very fast. Glad
to hear the driver wasn't harmed Here is an article on it.
http://britishracecar.com/BillThumel-Elva-Courier.htm
- everyone needs to install a driveshaft loop in their car regardless of
your level of prep.

And the Bluebird came out of nowhere. Very interesting car and surprisingly
quick. I believe it's from the Pacific Northwest. Bill Babcock, do you know
this car?


Bob


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Mon Sep 14 19:40:13 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:40:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
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.....and there is often the occasion to put a guest driver in a car for an 
enduro, or a practice, or you may find someone and some organization that 
allows one car-two driver registration. We can pull that off in CVAR by 
talking the Group 2 guys into allowing a well behaved DP Triumph to rqace in 
Group 2 with the EP MGB's. I don't know what the rules we will be running 
under for the 2010 FOT feature at Heartland Par, but I think there is a good 
chance 2 driver cars would be allowed.
if you'd like to come on over let us know and we'll figure it out.

Bo Kramer
Austin, TX

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Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning


> Christian,
>
>
>
> Think of coming over in terms of 2012....with or without your car.?
>
>
>
> 60th ANNIVERSARY OF TRIUMPH CARS IN COMPETITION.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
> To: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:46 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
>
>
> Chris,?
> I used to visit Europe frequently and lived in Norway for 1 1/2 years. The 
> distances involved are what makes everything different here. We try to 
> have these focus events to bring everyone together, but the distances are 
> always a problem and limit attendance. For vintage racing, all the 
> organizations are regionally based. There is VARA in California, VSCDA in 
> the Midwest, CVAR for Texas/Oklahoma, RMVR in Colorado, and many others. 
> Luckily, most of them have similar rules, but some are more lax about 
> modern parts than others.?
> ?
> If you've never been over here, you ought to come. If you plan it around 
> some races with FoT participation, I'm sure you will feel welcome.?
> ?
> MadMarx wrote:?
>> I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country. 
>> Would?
>> be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in 
>> the?
>> Mongolia and we might never meet.?
> ?
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Sep 14 19:52:25 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:52:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
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Heartland Park in 2010?would be a good choice, too. 



Note: Keith Files plans to enter his 'SEBRING TR4'.



We could host you in IOWA and you could travel with us to Heartland Park.



My two sons will be traveling and staying at the track.



August 2010



Joe Alexander?


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Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 8:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning



.....and there is often the occasion to put a guest driver in a car for an enduro, or a practice, or you may find someone and some organization that allows one car-two driver registration. We can pull that off in CVAR by talking the Group 2 guys into allowing a well behaved DP Triumph to rqace in Group 2 with the EP MGB's. I don't know what the rules we will be running under for the 2010 FOT feature at Heartland Par, but I think there is a good chance 2 driver cars would be allowed.?
if you'd like to come on over let us know and we'll figure it out.?
?
Bo Kramer?
Austin, TX?
?
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Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>?
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:55 PM?
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning?
?
> Christian,?
>?
>?
>?
> Think of coming over in terms of 2012....with or without your car.??
>?
>?
>?
> 60th ANNIVERSARY OF TRIUMPH CARS IN COMPETITION.?
>?
>?
>?
> Joe Alexander?
>?
>?
> -----Original Message-----?
> From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>?
> To: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>?
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net?
> Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:46 pm?
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning?
>?
>?
>?
> Chris,??
> I used to visit Europe frequently and lived in Norway for 1 1/2 years. The > distances involved are what makes everything different here. We try to > have these focus events to bring everyone together, but the distances are > always a problem and limit attendance. For vintage racing, all the > organizations are regionally based. There is VARA in California, VSCDA in > the Midwest, CVAR for Texas/Oklahoma, RMVR in Colorado, and many others. > Luckily, most of them have similar rules, but some are more lax about > modern parts than others.??
> ??
> If you've never been over here, you ought to come. If you plan it around > some races with FoT participation, I'm sure you will feel welcome.??
> ??
> MadMarx wrote:??
>> I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country. >> Would??
>> be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in >> the??
>> Mongolia and we might never meet.??
> ??
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon Sep 14 20:01:04 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:01:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Watkins Glen Race Report Part 2
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Yes, that's Jim Froula. Very good driver and a fine mechanic/ 
fabricator. I think he also carried Cameron Healy's Pooper out to the  
Glen. The guy who built the body (Tippe Lippe I think) was looking  
forward to seeing the car again--he lives somewhere near Watkins Glen.  
I guess he's in pretty ill health so it was a typical Cameron thing  
for him to haul it back there--he's one of the good ones.


On Sep 14, 2009, at 6:30 PM, Bob Adams wrote:

> Bill,
> I believe Dick's Datsun is an old Bob Sharp car. Neat car and brutally
> fast.
>
> That Stinger is neat. It looks like a real handful of a car in the  
> corners,
> but the driver was doing an awesome job with it (I believe he is an  
> ASA/Pro
> Hooters Cup competitor). It was right with the lead pack and then  
> dropped
> way back at the end (spun?).
>
> The MGB is a car you've all seen before (remember that ridiculously  
> fast
> yellow one from the Mitty in '05? Burt Levy also drove it in the  
> same issue
> as George Wright's car). That thing is on rails.
>
> Bummer to hear about the Elva.. it's a very pretty car and very  
> fast. Glad
> to hear the driver wasn't harmed Here is an article on it.
> http://britishracecar.com/BillThumel-Elva-Courier.htm
> - everyone needs to install a driveshaft loop in their car  
> regardless of
> your level of prep.
>
> And the Bluebird came out of nowhere. Very interesting car and  
> surprisingly
> quick. I believe it's from the Pacific Northwest. Bill Babcock, do  
> you know
> this car?
>
>
> Bob
>
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From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Mon Sep 14 20:09:30 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:09:30 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
Message-ID: <c83.46b29dd2.37e0515a@aol.com>

I can answer the question about the Kastner Cup at Heartland Park, Topeka,  
Kansas in 2010.  It will effectively be very similar to CVAR.   There will 
likely be a few minor changes to accommodate some special cars and or  some 
minor differences between the various Regional Vintage Organizations.
 
Cheers,
 
Gary Fuqua
Heartland Vintage Racing
2010 Host for The Kastner Cup


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Sep 14 20:09:36 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:09:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Watkins Glen Race Report Part 2'''ELVA COURIER
In-Reply-To: <673993c50909141830m1d553c22v8180462159453a3b@mail.gmail.com>
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Several years ago I saw an ELVA COURIER perched precariously on two 55 gallon drums, side by side at the cockpit.



A year or so later, it had broken at the sills, with nose and tail pointing downward.



How Sad!

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com>
To: WILLIAM TOBIN <william.tobin3 at verizon.net>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 8:30 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] [FOT] Watkins Glen Race Report Part 2




Bill,
I believe Dick's Datsun is an old Bob Sharp car. Neat car and brutally
fast.

That Stinger is neat. It looks like a real handful of a car in the corners,
but the driver was doing an awesome job with it (I believe he is an ASA/Pro
Hooters Cup competitor). It was right with the lead pack and then dropped
way back at the end (spun?).

The MGB is a car you've all seen before (remember that ridiculously fast
yellow one from the Mitty in '05? Burt Levy also drove it in the same issue
as George Wright's car). That thing is on rails.

Bummer to hear about the Elva.. it's a very pretty car and very fast. Glad
to hear the driver wasn't harmed Here is an article on it.
http://britishracecar.com/BillThumel-Elva-Courier.htm
- everyone needs to install a driveshaft loop in their car regardless of
your level of prep.

And the Bluebird came out of nowhere. Very interesting car and surprisingly
quick. I believe it's from the Pacific Northwest. Bill Babcock, do you know
this car?


Bob
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Mon Sep 14 21:00:29 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:00:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <000901ca3578$4b031000$e1093000$@com>
Message-ID: <57FA767F3337491A83A9C8798ED6C4B1@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Chris

I think it is safe to say that the FOT is more of a "fortunate accident"
than an organization.  The only thing organized by the FOT is the Kastner
Cup race that moves around the country annually.

Road racing here in the US is split between Vintage or Historic Racing and
"championship" racing.  Vintage or Historic racing is run by numerous
groups, mostly regionally based.  There are no national rules and no
national championship.  Races are most often just for fun, without trophys
or any other awards.

"Championship" racing is for both current cars and older cars such as
Triumphs.  Nationally, these races are organized by the Sports Car Club of
America (SCCA).  There are also several other groups such as NASA and ICSCC
and others that conduct regional championships.  The SCCA runs local
championships and also National Points races that qualify one for the
National Championship Runoffs.  This is a single, week long race event held
in the fall of each year with 25 races for different classes of cars.

Racing in the US is different because of the distances and different
organizations involved.  I live in Oregon and my local track is about 25
miles from home.  We typically race there 8 weekends a year.  The next
closest track is around 200 miles away and after that it's more like 600.
The different organizations have different rules.  My car is acceptable to
some and not to others.  Sometimes the US can be a really confusing place,
but it's filled with good people and some darn fast Triumphs.

Jim Norlin



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:17 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning


Question:
If I read Tony's question I get the idea that FOT is not a racing group that
is organizing races together? More like individuals that sometimes share the
same race by accident? How are US races are organized? Do you have sign on
to every single race or is there a championship where all the Triumph racers
take part?

We in Germany doing the "Triumph-Competition".
This group organize the slots at the races events, collection the fees for
the races, the organize dinners, sponsors, the parking in the paddock and so
on. Is this comparable to USA?

Cheers
Chris



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Auftrag von Tony Drews
Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. September 2009 03:28
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Next race planning

Who is going to Hallett with CVAR in October?  Anyone want to split a
"garage" (canopy?) rental?

Thanks, Tony Drews
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Thu Sep 17 20:55:23 2009
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:55:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] how not to pass
Message-ID: <156F6DC52CBD47B4B224EA9EB4BB0B57@INSPIRON>

Hello   if anyone is interested take a look at pix #34-36     Marrs labor day
09   pheno.smugmug.com   they show the SRF  roll bar worn  to almost
nothing,and razor sharp


From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Sep 14 21:51:19 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:51:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] how not to pass
In-Reply-To: <156F6DC52CBD47B4B224EA9EB4BB0B57@INSPIRON>
References: <156F6DC52CBD47B4B224EA9EB4BB0B57@INSPIRON>
Message-ID: <20090915035141.DC97918763F@autox.team.net>

Wow, that car is USED UP.  Roll bar did its job, though.

- Tony

At 09:55 PM 9/17/2009, Rob wrote:
>Hello   if anyone is interested take a look at pix #34-36     Marrs labor day
>09   pheno.smugmug.com   they show the SRF  roll bar worn  to almost
>nothing,and razor sharp


From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Sep 14 21:58:54 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:58:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] how not to pass
In-Reply-To: <156F6DC52CBD47B4B224EA9EB4BB0B57@INSPIRON>
References: <156F6DC52CBD47B4B224EA9EB4BB0B57@INSPIRON>
Message-ID: <5474D6A7B1BE4E0398AFF86A29A674E4@joepentiumnew>

Is that "Elizabeth Keller" indicated on the torn up body?  If so, is she
related to Helen Keller?

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:55 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] how not to pass

Hello   if anyone is interested take a look at pix #34-36     Marrs labor
day
09   pheno.smugmug.com   they show the SRF  roll bar worn  to almost
nothing,and razor sharp
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Sep 14 22:10:43 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:10:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <c83.46b29dd2.37e0515a@aol.com>
References: <c83.46b29dd2.37e0515a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4AAF13C3.50703@bradakis.com>

I better start planning now, maybe I can make it next year.  I'll try not
to come down with any disease or anything that might affect my plans.
We'll see if I have a Triumph of any sort that can make it that far by
next summer.

mjb.


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Sep 15 03:02:59 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:02:59 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <c1a.667e3d7c.37e03032@aol.com>
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Would be a great idea to rent a race for an event!
Should be an event where Kas is present and maybe a nice track layout too.

Is a FIA int. C-license accepted in USA?

Cheers
Chris

Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 01:48
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning

No, not the race car silly.  Just you.  We can figure a way to get you into
a race car at one of our events ;-))

In a message dated 9/14/2009 3:44:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
I would like to but the air transport of the race car is out of my current
budget.

But Id like to thank you for your nice welcome to USA.

Cheers
Chris

Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 00:07
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning

Just so Amigo, That's why we make so much effort to contact, converse and
meet our like minded friends.  That often involves 1000 mile plus tows but
when you sit around the pits on an evening sharing storiesd and adult
beverages it all seems worth it!

If you were to plan a Holiday in the US to coincide with any race meet you
can trust the Triumph folk would make you welcome!

In a message dated 9/14/2009 2:43:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country. Would
be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in the
Mongolia and we might never meet.
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Sep 15 03:16:33 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:16:33 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <C2B968A85241411B91F547FD53F401BB@latitudefb1e41>
References: <20090913012840.6A1AF187657@autox.team.net><000901ca3578$4b031000$e1093000$@com><49BE0BD305FE4534A8794D2A1D7FB0B5@KasPC><000e01ca3582$7aa58950$6ff09bf0$@com><4AAED5E7.8060505@pobox.com>
	<8CC03B64C7B4BDF-3EBC-82AE@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
	<C2B968A85241411B91F547FD53F401BB@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <003c01ca35e5$399c2dc0$acd48940$@com>

What is DP and EP?

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Bob Kramer [mailto:rkramer3 at austin.rr.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 03:40
An: cartravel at pobox.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning

.....and there is often the occasion to put a guest driver in a car for an
enduro, or a practice, or you may find someone and some organization that
allows one car-two driver registration. We can pull that off in CVAR by
talking the Group 2 guys into allowing a well behaved DP Triumph to rqace in

Group 2 with the EP MGB's. I don't know what the rules we will be running
under for the 2010 FOT feature at Heartland Par, but I think there is a good

chance 2 driver cars would be allowed.
if you'd like to come on over let us know and we'll figure it out.

Bo Kramer
Austin, TX

----- Original Message -----
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <cartravel at pobox.com>; <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning


> Christian,
>
>
>
> Think of coming over in terms of 2012....with or without your car.?
>
>
>
> 60th ANNIVERSARY OF TRIUMPH CARS IN COMPETITION.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
> To: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:46 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
>
>
> Chris,?
> I used to visit Europe frequently and lived in Norway for 1 1/2 years. The

> distances involved are what makes everything different here. We try to
> have these focus events to bring everyone together, but the distances are
> always a problem and limit attendance. For vintage racing, all the
> organizations are regionally based. There is VARA in California, VSCDA in
> the Midwest, CVAR for Texas/Oklahoma, RMVR in Colorado, and many others.
> Luckily, most of them have similar rules, but some are more lax about
> modern parts than others.?
> ?
> If you've never been over here, you ought to come. If you plan it around
> some races with FoT participation, I'm sure you will feel welcome.?
> ?
> MadMarx wrote:?
>> I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country.
>> Would?
>> be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in
>> the?
>> Mongolia and we might never meet.?
> ?
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Tue Sep 15 04:34:33 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 03:34:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] how not to pass
In-Reply-To: <5474D6A7B1BE4E0398AFF86A29A674E4@joepentiumnew>
References: <156F6DC52CBD47B4B224EA9EB4BB0B57@INSPIRON>
	<5474D6A7B1BE4E0398AFF86A29A674E4@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <652111.74933.qm@web80805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It looks like it is Elizabeth Miller, not keller. Check photo 33.
________________________________
From: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>
To: Rob
<19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009
11:58:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] how not to pass

Is that "Elizabeth Keller"
indicated on the torn up body?  If so, is she
related to Helen Keller?

Joe C.
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Thursday, September
17, 2009 7:55 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] how not to pass

Hello 
if anyone is interested take a look at pix #34-36    Marrs labor
day
09 
pheno.smugmug.com  they show the SRF  roll bar worn  to almost
nothing,and
razor sharp
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From andre at gt6.ca  Tue Sep 15 05:31:34 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:31:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] how not to pass
In-Reply-To: <156F6DC52CBD47B4B224EA9EB4BB0B57@INSPIRON>
References: <156F6DC52CBD47B4B224EA9EB4BB0B57@INSPIRON>
Message-ID: <4362ae390909150431q153f1c8aq54a931d15eb75000@mail.gmail.com>

Wow.

Better the bar then your helmet.

A.

2009/9/17 Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>:
> Hello   if anyone is interested take a look at pix #34-36     Marrs labor
day
> 09   pheno.smugmug.com   they show the SRF  roll bar worn  to almost
> nothing,and razor sharp
>
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Ottawa, ON, Canada


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Sep 15 07:44:28 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:44:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <003c01ca35e5$399c2dc0$acd48940$@com>
References: <20090913012840.6A1AF187657@autox.team.net>
	<000901ca3578$4b031000$e1093000$@com>
	<49BE0BD305FE4534A8794D2A1D7FB0B5@KasPC>
	<000e01ca3582$7aa58950$6ff09bf0$@com> <4AAED5E7.8060505@pobox.com>
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Those are the classes that our cars ran in during the 60's and 
70's.  It stands for D Production and E Production.  SCCA breaks the 
"Production" cars down into classes based on speed potential.  The 
fastest cars are in A Production and the slowest in H 
Production.  The TR-4 was in D Production and the TR-3 was in E 
Production originally.

- Tony

At 04:16 AM 9/15/2009, MadMarx wrote:
>What is DP and EP?
>
>Chris
>
>-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: Bob Kramer [mailto:rkramer3 at austin.rr.com]
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 03:40
>An: cartravel at pobox.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; n197tr4 at cs.com
>Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
>.....and there is often the occasion to put a guest driver in a car for an
>enduro, or a practice, or you may find someone and some organization that
>allows one car-two driver registration. We can pull that off in CVAR by
>talking the Group 2 guys into allowing a well behaved DP Triumph to rqace in
>
>Group 2 with the EP MGB's. I don't know what the rules we will be running
>under for the 2010 FOT feature at Heartland Par, but I think there is a good
>
>chance 2 driver cars would be allowed.
>if you'd like to come on over let us know and we'll figure it out.
>
>Bo Kramer
>Austin, TX
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
>To: <cartravel at pobox.com>; <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
>Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:55 PM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
>
> > Christian,
> >
> >
> >
> > Think of coming over in terms of 2012....with or without your car.?
> >
> >
> >
> > 60th ANNIVERSARY OF TRIUMPH CARS IN COMPETITION.
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe Alexander
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
> > To: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> > Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> > Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:46 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris,?
> > I used to visit Europe frequently and lived in Norway for 1 1/2 years. The
>
> > distances involved are what makes everything different here. We try to
> > have these focus events to bring everyone together, but the distances are
> > always a problem and limit attendance. For vintage racing, all the
> > organizations are regionally based. There is VARA in California, VSCDA in
> > the Midwest, CVAR for Texas/Oklahoma, RMVR in Colorado, and many others.
> > Luckily, most of them have similar rules, but some are more lax about
> > modern parts than others.?
> > ?
> > If you've never been over here, you ought to come. If you plan it around
> > some races with FoT participation, I'm sure you will feel welcome.?
> > ?
> > MadMarx wrote:?
> >> I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country.
> >> Would?
> >> be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in
> >> the?
> >> Mongolia and we might never meet.?
> > ?
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Sep 15 07:45:09 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:45:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <003701ca35e3$54653e50$fd2fbaf0$@com>
References: <c1a.667e3d7c.37e03032@aol.com>
	<003701ca35e3$54653e50$fd2fbaf0$@com>
Message-ID: <20090915134533.5C42418763F@autox.team.net>

I'm sure that license would be accepted.

- Tony

At 04:02 AM 9/15/2009, MadMarx wrote:
>Would be a great idea to rent a race for an event!
>Should be an event where Kas is present and maybe a nice track layout too.
>
>Is a FIA int. C-license accepted in USA?
>
>Cheers
>Chris
>
>Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 01:48
>An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
>Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
>No, not the race car silly.  Just you.  We can figure a way to get you into
>a race car at one of our events ;-))
>
>In a message dated 9/14/2009 3:44:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
>I would like to but the air transport of the race car is out of my current
>budget.
>
>But Id like to thank you for your nice welcome to USA.
>
>Cheers
>Chris
>
>Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 00:07
>An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
>Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
>Just so Amigo, That's why we make so much effort to contact, converse and
>meet our like minded friends.  That often involves 1000 mile plus tows but
>when you sit around the pits on an evening sharing storiesd and adult
>beverages it all seems worth it!
>
>If you were to plan a Holiday in the US to coincide with any race meet you
>can trust the Triumph folk would make you welcome!
>
>In a message dated 9/14/2009 2:43:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
>I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country. Would
>be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in the
>Mongolia and we might never meet.
>You are subscribed as gt6steve at aol.com
>
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Tue Sep 15 08:18:46 2009
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:18:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <20090915134533.5C42418763F@autox.team.net>
References: <c1a.667e3d7c.37e03032@aol.com>
	<003701ca35e3$54653e50$fd2fbaf0$@com> 
	<20090915134533.5C42418763F@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W11CCD64E80FD8D24070C7DB2E30@phx.gbl>

I race on a FIA grade c from MSNZ (motorsport new Zealand) and its no problem
at all. What does help is a SCCA membership card.

> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:45:09 -0500
> To: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net
> From: tony at tonydrews.com
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
> I'm sure that license would be accepted.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 04:02 AM 9/15/2009, MadMarx wrote:
> >Would be a great idea to rent a race for an event!
> >Should be an event where Kas is present and maybe a nice track layout too.
> >
> >Is a FIA int. C-license accepted in USA?
> >
> >Cheers
> >Chris
> >
> >Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
> >Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 01:48
> >An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> >Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
> >
> >No, not the race car silly. Just you. We can figure a way to get you into
> >a race car at one of our events ;-))
> >
> >In a message dated 9/14/2009 3:44:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> >tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
> >I would like to but the air transport of the race car is out of my current
> >budget.
> >
> >But Id like to thank you for your nice welcome to USA.
> >
> >Cheers
> >Chris
> >
> >Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
> >Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 00:07
> >An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> >Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
> >
> >Just so Amigo, That's why we make so much effort to contact, converse and
> >meet our like minded friends. That often involves 1000 mile plus tows but
> >when you sit around the pits on an evening sharing storiesd and adult
> >beverages it all seems worth it!
> >
> >If you were to plan a Holiday in the US to coincide with any race meet you
> >can trust the Triumph folk would make you welcome!
> >
> >In a message dated 9/14/2009 2:43:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> >tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
> >I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country.
Would
> >be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in
the
> >Mongolia and we might never meet.
> >You are subscribed as gt6steve at aol.com
> >
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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Tue Sep 15 10:20:16 2009
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:20:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <8CC03B64C7B4BDF-3EBC-82AE@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <412756.70530.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'd second this ... I for one would like to meet  you ... and somewhere, there
may even be a car someone would share with you  ... its been done before ..


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire

--- On Mon, 9/14/09, n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:


From: n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
To: cartravel at pobox.com, tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 7:55 PM


Christian,



Think of coming over in terms of 2012....with or without your car.?



60th ANNIVERSARY OF TRIUMPH CARS IN COMPETITION.



Joe Alexander


-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
To: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning



Chris,?
I used to visit Europe frequently and lived in Norway for 1 1/2 years. The
distances involved are what makes everything different here. We try to have
these focus events to bring everyone together, but the distances are always a
problem and limit attendance. For vintage racing, all the organizations are
regionally based. There is VARA in California, VSCDA in the Midwest, CVAR for
Texas/Oklahoma, RMVR in Colorado, and many others. Luckily, most of them have
similar rules, but some are more lax about modern parts than others.?
?
If you've never been over here, you ought to come. If you plan it around some
races with FoT participation, I'm sure you will feel welcome.?
?
MadMarx wrote:?
> I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country.
Would?
> be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in
the?
> Mongolia and we might never meet.?
?
_______________________________________________?
?
Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html?
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From trbilbo at aol.com  Tue Sep 15 15:54:40 2009
From: trbilbo at aol.com (trbilbo at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:54:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 3.89 CWP's..Diffs.alloys...GT6/Spifire clean out...(65
 Musang stuff)?
In-Reply-To: <cfc.61409651.37dd53af@aol.com>
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Steve (And other Amici)...

?

Just?sold my 67 and 69 GT6+ and may have a diff or two still available.

Gears unknown but in good shape. 

Pretty sure I also have a GT6 OD trans out there too.

Also have a comlete 'mild race' GT6 engine available.

?

Lots of stock stuff too... interior bits... probably bumpers...carbs...harnesses... kits... bunches.

Parts gotta go as the garage is much smaller now.

?

Cool stuff!!... like four Libre American racing mags on new Pirelli's (never been mounted on the car)

Other Spitfire/GT6 alloys in sets as well....

?

(Also 5 American racing Torque Thrust D mags NEW in the box with caps and lugs for 65-66 mustang/falcon/fairlane etc.)

?

Triumph interest? Other?

?

Finally starting to dig into things after the great move to North County two years ago.

Have a 10x20 foot storage unit full of great TR stuff.

?

Cheers

Bill 

#195 TR4A always!

?

70 TR6, 68 TR250 and parts for Spits, GT6, TR's all....


-----Original Message-----
From: Gt6steve at aol.com
To: FOT at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Sep 12, 2009 12:42 pm
Subject: [Fot] 3.89 CWP's




Amici, anybody have a good source for diffs or components for the small  
chassis cars?  I need 3.89 CWP's as well as 3.65 and 4.11.  There are  just 
none left in Vegas!
 
I'll be hittin' up the Brits pretty soon too!
 
Steve
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Sep 15 16:03:45 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:03:45 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <412756.70530.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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	<412756.70530.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001301ca3650$680b1200$38213600$@com>

Oh  Im happy that you would like to meet me.
I have no idea when I can come over but Im really keen on racing with you
guys.
I hope that I dont misbehave then as I did at Zandvoort, when I didnt see
the yellow flag.

Cheers
Chris

Von: tom strange [mailto:tstrange at sbcglobal.net]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 18:20
An: cartravel at pobox.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; n197tr4 at cs.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning


I'd second this ... I for one would like to meet  you ... and somewhere,
there may even be a car someone would share with you  ... its been done
before ..
Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire


--- On Mon, 9/14/09, n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

From: n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
To: cartravel at pobox.com, tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 7:55 PM
Christian,



Think of coming over in terms of 2012....with or without your car.?



60th ANNIVERSARY OF TRIUMPH CARS IN COMPETITION.



Joe Alexander


-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com
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To: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com
<http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tr4racing at googlemail.com> >
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
<http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning



Chris,?
I used to visit Europe frequently and lived in Norway for 1 1/2 years. The
distances involved are what makes everything different here. We try to have
these focus events to bring everyone together, but the distances are always
a problem and limit attendance. For vintage racing, all the organizations
are regionally based. There is VARA in California, VSCDA in the Midwest,
CVAR for Texas/Oklahoma, RMVR in Colorado, and many others. Luckily, most of
them have similar rules, but some are more lax about modern parts than
others.?
?
If you've never been over here, you ought to come. If you plan it around
some races with FoT participation, I'm sure you will feel welcome.?
?
MadMarx wrote:?
> I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country.
Would?
> be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in
the?
> Mongolia and we might never meet.?
?
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Wed Sep 16 07:55:11 2009
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:55:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 6 cylinder DCOE 40 setup
Message-ID: <000501ca36d5$4f6232d0$ee269870$@rr.com>

I have a complete triple Weber setup w/ manifold and linkage installed for a
later style TR-6 (not the 69) or a TVR. These were tried by a person on a
stock street car and it was too much carb. They didn't want to get into
changing chokes/jets and air correctors. 

I thought I would offer them up to FOT before listing them elsewhere. These
are all like new as is the linkage and manifold. Anyone interested with
realistic proposals please contact me outside the group. These are the real
thing, not offshore knock-offs. Mounted on a Pierce manifold. 

I also have a second Pierce manifold (TR-6) available as well as a Spitfire
(1296 or 1500) dual DCOE-40 Pierce manifold (8-port). 

Please contact me for more information.

 

Russ Moore (rem9 at twcny.rr.com)


From billb at bnj.com  Wed Sep 16 09:15:11 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:15:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 6 cylinder DCOE 40 setup
In-Reply-To: <000501ca36d5$4f6232d0$ee269870$@rr.com>
References: <000501ca36d5$4f6232d0$ee269870$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <B1931F89-DC82-42AB-AE77-BB26A60522CD@bnj.com>

Wow, what a strange reason to ditch Webers. Adjustability is about the  
only really good reason to buy Webers, other than the fact that they  
look bitchin'.


On Sep 16, 2009, at 6:55 AM, Spitfire Racing wrote:

> I have a complete triple Weber setup w/ manifold and linkage  
> installed for a
> later style TR-6 (not the 69) or a TVR. These were tried by a person  
> on a
> stock street car and it was too much carb. They didn't want to get  
> into
> changing chokes/jets and air correctors.
>
> I thought I would offer them up to FOT before listing them  
> elsewhere. These
> are all like new as is the linkage and manifold. Anyone interested  
> with
> realistic proposals please contact me outside the group. These are  
> the real
> thing, not offshore knock-offs. Mounted on a Pierce manifold.
>
> I also have a second Pierce manifold (TR-6) available as well as a  
> Spitfire
> (1296 or 1500) dual DCOE-40 Pierce manifold (8-port).
>
> Please contact me for more information.
>
>
>
> Russ Moore (rem9 at twcny.rr.com)
>
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Sep 16 09:51:43 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:51:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] 6 cylinder DCOE 40 setup
In-Reply-To: <B1931F89-DC82-42AB-AE77-BB26A60522CD@bnj.com>
References: <000501ca36d5$4f6232d0$ee269870$@rr.com>
	<B1931F89-DC82-42AB-AE77-BB26A60522CD@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909161149500.5534@isis.mit.edu>

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Bill Babcock wrote:

> Wow, what a strange reason to ditch Webers. Adjustability is about the only 
> really good reason to buy Webers, other than the fact that they look 
> bitchin'.

I was going to "say" the same thing! You can make Webers do just about 
anything. And I have a $1500 collection of brass to prove it.

I'd buy the setup for myself, but I'm trying to start thinning my 
collection right now.

rml
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From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Sep 16 11:17:58 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:17:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 6 cylinder DCOE 40 setup
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909161149500.5534@isis.mit.edu>
References: <000501ca36d5$4f6232d0$ee269870$@rr.com>
	<B1931F89-DC82-42AB-AE77-BB26A60522CD@bnj.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909161149500.5534@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909161017n1e0ea190v2c62f97775f2fc71@mail.gmail.com>

Pehaps the buyer did not understand just putting on the Webers was a
waste of time--there is the cam, head porting and decent
header-exhaust needed to use all that gas vapor.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu> wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Bill Babcock wrote:
>
>> Wow, what a strange reason to ditch Webers. Adjustability is about the
>> only really good reason to buy Webers, other than the fact that they look
>> bitchin'.
>
> I was going to "say" the same thing! You can make Webers do just about
> anything. And I have a $1500 collection of brass to prove it.
>
> I'd buy the setup for myself, but I'm trying to start thinning my
collection
> right now.
>
> rml
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From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Sep 16 11:19:17 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:19:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 6 cylinder DCOE 40 setup
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909161149500.5534@isis.mit.edu>
References: <000501ca36d5$4f6232d0$ee269870$@rr.com><B1931F89-DC82-42AB-AE77-BB26A60522CD@bnj.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909161149500.5534@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <36B80137250840269F7D6B0AE234DD43@joepentiumnew>

Yes, Webers are great for tuning to the needs of a particular circuit but
not so great on a street car that is traveling in multiple environments.
That is why I got rid of my Spitfire twin DCOE setup in favor of EFI on my
Red Spit.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Robert Lang
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:52 AM
To: Bill Babcock
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] 6 cylinder DCOE 40 setup

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Bill Babcock wrote:

> Wow, what a strange reason to ditch Webers. Adjustability is about the
only 
> really good reason to buy Webers, other than the fact that they look 
> bitchin'.

I was going to "say" the same thing! You can make Webers do just about 
anything. And I have a $1500 collection of brass to prove it.

I'd buy the setup for myself, but I'm trying to start thinning my 
collection right now.

rml
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Sep 16 12:01:15 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:01:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TRANSPORT FROM MIDWEST TO CALIFORNIA AND RETURN
In-Reply-To: <36B80137250840269F7D6B0AE234DD43@joepentiumnew>
References: <000501ca36d5$4f6232d0$ee269870$@rr.com><B1931F89-DC82-42AB-AE77-BB26A60522CD@bnj.com><Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909161149500.5534@isis.mit.edu>
	<36B80137250840269F7D6B0AE234DD43@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <8CC050ED1B5830C-56E0-60D9@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com>

FOT,



I am contemplating a trip to California from Iowa sometime in the next three months. If I configure my rig right, I might be able to transport a car both ways.



Anyone with a need to move stuff? Enclosed Trailer.



Joe Alexander


From robertten1 at aol.com  Wed Sep 16 21:11:37 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:11:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 MK3 Part ...
Message-ID: <8CC055BB3E54900-3604-CC08@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com>

Amici,

?

I'm looking for an input shaft for a late model GT6 Mk3 gearbox for my race Spitfire.? Late in the model year the factory modified the top gear, the helical cut is at a different angle from the early gearboxes.

?

Thanks,

Bob T

'64 Spit GT? autocrosser


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Sep 17 03:19:13 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:19:13 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort race
In-Reply-To: <0KQ3003FICOG1VT0@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <20090913012840.6A1AF187657@autox.team.net>
	<000901ca3578$4b031000$e1093000$@com>
	<49BE0BD305FE4534A8794D2A1D7FB0B5@KasPC>
	<001301ca3588$b8b9a900$2a2cfb00$@com>
	<0KQ3003FICOG1VT0@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <003201ca3777$eedbf970$cc93ec50$@com>

The gauge is a datalogger with included shiftlight.
The laps are recorded and you  can analyse them on a computer.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: J.C. Hassall [mailto:jhassall at blacksburg.net]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. September 2009 03:12
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort race

At 06:14 PM 9/14/2009, you wrote:
>Hi @ all,

Chris, get video, thanks for sharing it.  *Great* driving!

What is the gauge or indicator on the left, where the fascia vent
would go?  There appears to be a flashing light there.


>here is the newest video taken from my car.
>It was a wet race. I'm terribly sorry that sometimes the auto focus liked
>the rain drops more than the track but I hope it is fun to watch.
>
>http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5381443852892581074
>
>
>I had a little trouble before that race #2 you see in that video. At race
#1
>the right caliper blocked the wheel and in the paddock the axle bearing
>grease left the housing, was running over the hot brake disk and started
>burning a little. With a paper handkerchief the fire was stopped and only
>smoke is left behind.
>
>At the last lap I overtook at a yellow flagged area and got a 20 second
>penalty which sat me from position 10 to 15. I'm angry about my mistake
>because with that overtaking I had nothing to win, the TR6 is in a higher
>class. But if you are close to another car on a wet track a yellow flag is
>hard to see.
>
>Cheers
>Chris
>
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Thu Sep 17 08:30:25 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:30:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks
Message-ID: <8CC05BA87E5E2D9-4648-10D59@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com>

Amici Spit Racers,

Curious as to what brand of shocks people are using, and the settings, on the rear of your Spitfire Race Cars?? Also, has anyine any experience with the shocks available from Ted at TSI ?? My second set of Spax are leaking out!

Curious,
Bob T


From harmug at us.ibm.com  Thu Sep 17 13:38:41 2009
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:38:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 34, Issue 29
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1253210401.20535.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF55B294CA.D734823B-ON85257634.006854C7-85257634.006BE7C1@us.ibm.com>

"?Curious as to what brand of shocks people are using, and the settings,
on the rear of your Spitfire Race Cars?"
I'm running SPAX shocks in my 63 Spit 3 or 4 clicks softer than the front
shocks. I've had SPAX shocks break the ends off from off roading and impact
but not leak. They've behaved on my street Spits/GT6 too.

mike h


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu Sep 17 13:43:18 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:43:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks
References: <8CC05BA87E5E2D9-4648-10D59@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <34604458FB4147B8A5C4E5609FBF5F61@rocky>

Konis all around. Full hard in back.

And thinking of sending them in to get revalved harder. Reason: Koni says it 
results in better turn-in in front. When I reset the rears to full hard it 
did give me better turn-in, just not enough yet.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <robertten1 at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:30 AM
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks


> Amici Spit Racers,
>
> Curious as to what brand of shocks people are using, and the settings, on 
> the rear of your Spitfire Race Cars?? Also, has anyine any experience with 
> the shocks available from Ted at TSI ?? My second set of Spax are leaking 
> out!
>
> Curious,
> Bob T
>
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Thu Sep 17 18:24:14 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:24:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks
In-Reply-To: <8CC05BA87E5E2D9-4648-10D59@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <A5EB7216628542AF8F0BD1233DF1858D@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Spax - 5 Clicks off of full stiff.  No problems in 4 seasons.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of robertten1 at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:30 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks


Amici Spit Racers,

Curious as to what brand of shocks people are using, and the settings, on
the rear of your Spitfire Race Cars?? Also, has anyine any experience with
the shocks available from Ted at TSI ?? My second set of Spax are leaking
out!

Curious,
Bob T
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From fpspitfire at comcast.net  Thu Sep 17 18:29:53 2009
From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 00:29:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks
In-Reply-To: <34604458FB4147B8A5C4E5609FBF5F61@rocky>
Message-ID: <1598783088.865491253233793561.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Bob



I use AVO dampers.B  rears are full rose bearing connections and front have a
rose bearing on the bottom and stock top with poly bushings.



front settings vary from 8-15 and the rears vary from 12-20 of the 24
positions.B 



Remember your mileage will vary depending on springs, tires, and swaybars.



I had spax on my car for a while and didn't like them at all.B  the
adjustability was not very good, the spitfire ones if i remember correctly
only adjust rebound (or bump i can't remember) and i was never able to really
see a differenct between the full soft setting and full hard setting.B  I also
thought the adjustable spring perch was cheap.B  it's a collar welded on
rather than a threaded body,the shaft is a small diameter.



I don't know much about the Koni's so I can't really say much about them other
than I know the adjustability is not able to be done with the damper on the
car.B  you have to remove, compress, twist...



aaron

#87 HP Spitfire 1500

Southern Illinois Region SCCA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net, robertten1 at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 3:43:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks

Konis all around. Full hard in back.

And thinking of sending them in to get revalved harder. Reason: Koni says it
results in better turn-in in front. When I reset the rears to full hard it
did give me better turn-in, just not enough yet.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message -----
From: <robertten1 at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:30 AM
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks


> Amici Spit Racers,
>
> Curious as to what brand of shocks people are using, and the settings, on
> the rear of your Spitfire Race Cars?? Also, has anyine any experience with
> the shocks available from Ted at TSI ?? My second set of Spax are leaking
> out!
>
> Curious,
> Bob T


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Thu Sep 17 19:23:18 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:23:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks
In-Reply-To: <1598783088.865491253233793561.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <819DB320E6BF4F82928C3C5E8D258E68@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Gotta agree with Aaron that even though I'm running the Spax, and haven't
had any problems with them, I'm not particularily pleased with them.  The
fronts required a lot of work to make them fit right.  I had to cut off the
spring mounts (they are cheesy) and make my own out of aluminum to fit
standard 2.25 inch springs.  Also had to make a new upper mount to get any
travel out of them with a low ride height.  I also agree that they don't
seem to do as much as I would like with adjustments.

Part numbers and sources for alternates would be appreciated.

Thanks

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of fpspitfire at comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:30 PM
To: Rocky Entriken
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks


Bob



I use AVO dampers.B  rears are full rose bearing connections and front have
a rose bearing on the bottom and stock top with poly bushings.



front settings vary from 8-15 and the rears vary from 12-20 of the 24
positions.B



Remember your mileage will vary depending on springs, tires, and swaybars.



I had spax on my car for a while and didn't like them at all.B  the
adjustability was not very good, the spitfire ones if i remember correctly
only adjust rebound (or bump i can't remember) and i was never able to
really see a differenct between the full soft setting and full hard
setting.B  I also thought the adjustable spring perch was cheap.B  it's a
collar welded on rather than a threaded body,the shaft is a small diameter.



I don't know much about the Koni's so I can't really say much about them
other than I know the adjustability is not able to be done with the damper
on the car.B  you have to remove, compress, twist...



aaron

#87 HP Spitfire 1500

Southern Illinois Region SCCA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net, robertten1 at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 3:43:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks

Konis all around. Full hard in back.

And thinking of sending them in to get revalved harder. Reason: Koni says it
results in better turn-in in front. When I reset the rears to full hard it
did give me better turn-in, just not enough yet.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message -----
From: <robertten1 at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:30 AM
Subject: [Fot] Spit Rear Shocks


> Amici Spit Racers,
>
> Curious as to what brand of shocks people are using, and the settings,
> on the rear of your Spitfire Race Cars?? Also, has anyine any
> experience with the shocks available from Ted at TSI ?? My second set
> of Spax are leaking out!
>
> Curious,
> Bob T
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Sep 18 13:52:23 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:52:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Waaaaay off topic - Craigslist
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74014ECF08@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

OK, so I'm looking at buying a sailboat that's listed on Craigs list.
I'm clearly doing something wrong and none of the help desk discussions
or instructions are helpful in any way.  Are there any Craigs list
experts out there willing to help?

Scott


From dave at microworks.net  Fri Sep 18 16:18:50 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:18:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Waaaaay off topic - Craigslist
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74014ECF08@svr-exch01.mccart
	y-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74014ECF08@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <20090918221928.11944187658@autox.team.net>

I bought one of my sailboats off Craigslist.

At 12:52 PM 9/18/2009, you wrote:
>OK, so I'm looking at buying a sailboat that's listed on Craigs list.
>I'm clearly doing something wrong and none of the help desk discussions
>or instructions are helpful in any way.  Are there any Craigs list
>experts out there willing to help?
>
>Scott
>
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 19 16:57:57 2009
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:57:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Mother Muller Suspension??
Message-ID: <315540.98803.qm@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

The 62 TR4 I am getting ready to run next summer has Mother Muller Suspension
on it (as my Father in Law tells me).  The upper A arm is not stock.  It
appears adjustable.  Does anyone know anthing about this type of sepension.
Thanks!!!!!

Mike Mehl


From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Sep 19 22:12:13 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 22:12:13 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: [Thicko] TR special]
Message-ID: <4AB5AB9D.7010907@bradakis.com>

> Ebay item number 140346665057


Shucks.  The Team.Net fund drive didn't bring in enough to cover the starting
bid on this car.  So it goes.

mjb.


From triosan at gmail.com  Sun Sep 20 09:24:11 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 08:24:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: [Thicko] TR special]
In-Reply-To: <4AB5AB9D.7010907@bradakis.com>
References: <4AB5AB9D.7010907@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909200824y345a1d6cg3c13d5034332fb5a@mail.gmail.com>

Now there is a car that Bill Hart should add tohis collection.  I am
thinking Babcock is downsizing!
Chuck

On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
>> Ebay item number 140346665057
>
>
> Shucks.  The Team.Net fund drive didn't bring in enough to cover the
> starting
> bid on this car.  So it goes.
>
> mjb.
>
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Sun Sep 20 16:29:08 2009
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:29:08 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <20090915134533.5C42418763F@autox.team.net>
References: <c1a.667e3d7c.37e03032@aol.com><003701ca35e3$54653e50$fd2fbaf0$@com>
	<20090915134533.5C42418763F@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <26EFF523CEAF466E9C32138E5AFCC067@homekeith>

Hi Chris,

I race in the US using a UK National A so your FIA International C will be
good enough...

Cheers, Keith.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: 15 September 2009 14:45
To: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Next race planning

I'm sure that license would be accepted.

- Tony

At 04:02 AM 9/15/2009, MadMarx wrote:
>Would be a great idea to rent a race for an event!
>Should be an event where Kas is present and maybe a nice track layout too.
>
>Is a FIA int. C-license accepted in USA?
>
>Cheers
>Chris
>
>Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 01:48
>An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
>Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
>No, not the race car silly.  Just you.  We can figure a way to get you into
>a race car at one of our events ;-))
>
>In a message dated 9/14/2009 3:44:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
>I would like to but the air transport of the race car is out of my current
>budget.
>
>But Id like to thank you for your nice welcome to USA.
>
>Cheers
>Chris
>
>Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com]
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2009 00:07
>An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
>Betreff: Re: [Fot] Next race planning
>
>Just so Amigo, That's why we make so much effort to contact, converse and
>meet our like minded friends.  That often involves 1000 mile plus tows but
>when you sit around the pits on an evening sharing storiesd and adult
>beverages it all seems worth it!
>
>If you were to plan a Holiday in the US to coincide with any race meet you
>can trust the Triumph folk would make you welcome!
>
>In a message dated 9/14/2009 2:43:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
>I never have been to USA. I sometimes forget the size of your country.
Would
>be comparable to if I race in Germany and other racers are somewhere in the
>Mongolia and we might never meet.
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Sep 21 02:36:06 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:36:06 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Next race planning
In-Reply-To: <26EFF523CEAF466E9C32138E5AFCC067@homekeith>
References: <c1a.667e3d7c.37e03032@aol.com><003701ca35e3$54653e50$fd2fbaf0$@com>
	<20090915134533.5C42418763F@autox.team.net>
	<26EFF523CEAF466E9C32138E5AFCC067@homekeith>
Message-ID: <003901ca3a96$93756450$ba602cf0$@com>

I'm preparing for the Nordschleife race next weekend.
The weather reports are quite reasonable. If it rains - don't matter, rain
tires are there to serve the car well. Race distance is about 200 mls + two
practice sessions of one hour each.

Think that will be some fun.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Keith Files [mailto:keithfiles at btinternet.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 21. September 2009 00:29
An: 'Tony Drews'; 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Next race planning

Hi Chris,

I race in the US using a UK National A so your FIA International C will be
good enough...

Cheers, Keith.


From SpiwakD at aol.com  Mon Sep 21 07:18:46 2009
From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:18:46 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Radiator TR3
Message-ID: <c8a.45e1859f.37e8d736@aol.com>

Need a source for a quality aluminum radiator for TR3 race  car


From SpiwakD at aol.com  Mon Sep 21 07:20:43 2009
From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:20:43 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
Message-ID: <d55.5a2477dc.37e8d7ab@aol.com>

I am having trouble with my pickups sucking air during long sweepers. Does  
anyone use a fuel cell with a trap or captive sump to hold fuel while 
cornering?  A 5 gallon would be fine.


From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Sep 21 08:48:46 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 07:48:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
In-Reply-To: <d55.5a2477dc.37e8d7ab@aol.com>
References: <d55.5a2477dc.37e8d7ab@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F35DD9D23DDE4AC5AC399E79D30FAE7D@joepentiumnew>

I hope you have the pickup in the center of the tank rather on one side.  I
made that mistake once and found that on left hand turns all the fuel would
go to the other side of the tank despite the foam baffles inside the tank.
Changing the orientation fixed the trouble.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 6:21 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell

I am having trouble with my pickups sucking air during long sweepers. Does  
anyone use a fuel cell with a trap or captive sump to hold fuel while 
cornering?  A 5 gallon would be fine.
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Sep 21 11:04:06 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:04:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
References: <d55.5a2477dc.37e8d7ab@aol.com>
	<F35DD9D23DDE4AC5AC399E79D30FAE7D@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <A3BBF02E8B844C6A9120020B49A3943E@rocky>

When I ordered my ATL cell many years ago, I ordered it with two pickups, 
one in each rear corner. They go to two Holley Red fuel pumps (redundancy) 
which then feed to a single tee that sends fuel to the front of the car for 
the carbs. Just before the carbs there's a regulator I set for 2.5 lbs of 
flow (I have a fuel flow meter there also).

Never had a problem. BTW, it's 8 gallons. I also ordered it with a dipstick 
so I could know my fuel level.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell


>I hope you have the pickup in the center of the tank rather on one side.  I
> made that mistake once and found that on left hand turns all the fuel 
> would
> go to the other side of the tank despite the foam baffles inside the tank.
> Changing the orientation fixed the trouble.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 6:21 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
>
> I am having trouble with my pickups sucking air during long sweepers. Does
> anyone use a fuel cell with a trap or captive sump to hold fuel while
> cornering?  A 5 gallon would be fine.
> You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Mon Sep 21 12:01:23 2009
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:01:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
In-Reply-To: <d55.5a2477dc.37e8d7ab@aol.com>
References: <d55.5a2477dc.37e8d7ab@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W502AC697950056EC43AF6B2DD0@phx.gbl>

YES. ATL have a plastic "box"(fuel collector) that can be fitted to most fuel
cells. Has one way valves to allow fuel in and cental pickup.



good luck



Tony

> From: SpiwakD at aol.com
> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:20:43 -0400
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
>
> I am having trouble with my pickups sucking air during long sweepers. Does
> anyone use a fuel cell with a trap or captive sump to hold fuel while
> cornering? A 5 gallon would be fine.
>
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From cofrog at q.com  Mon Sep 21 12:22:22 2009
From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:22:22 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Hoosier Speedster Wanted
Message-ID: <SNT105-W3193836B3C182B5690040FD4DD0@phx.gbl>

Listers,



Earlier this season I wrecked a 205-60-15 Speedster.  I am left with three
that have 1/3 to 1/2 tread left.  I am looking for one tire with similiar
wear.  Now that the season is about over, I am hoping someone has one laying
around that they want to get rid of.



Thanks,



Dan Forgey


From robertten1 at aol.com  Mon Sep 21 12:28:43 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:28:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC  Obituary
Message-ID: <8CC09007C0DE3B7-3ACC-17745@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>

> Obituary printed in the London Times - Interesting and
> sadly, rather true. 
> 
> Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend,
> Common Sense,
> who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure
> how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost
> in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having
> cultivated such valuable lessons as: 
> - Knowing when to come in out of the rain; 
> - Why the early bird gets the worm; 
> - Life isn't always fair; 
> - and maybe it was my fault. 
> 
> Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial
> policies (don't spend more than you can earn) and
> reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).
> His health began to deteriorate rapidly when
> well-intentioned but
 overbearing regulations were set in
> place. Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual
> harassment for kiss ing a classmate; teens suspended from
> school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired
> for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his
> condition. 
> 
> Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked
> teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed
> to do in disciplining their unruly children. 
> 
> It declined even further when schools were required to get
> parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a
> student; but could not inform parents when a student became
> pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.
> 
> 
> Common Sense lost the will to live as the
> churches became businesses; and criminals received better
> treatment than their victims. 
> 
> Common Sense
 took a beating when you couldn't
> defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the
> burglar could sue you for assault. 
> 
> Common Sense finally gave up the will to live,
> after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of
> coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was
> promptly awarded a huge settlement. 
> 
> Common Sense was preceded in death, by his
> parents, Truth and Trust, by his wife, Discretion, by his
> daughter, Responsibility, and by his son, Reason. 
> 
> He is survived by his 4 stepbrothers; 
> I Know My Rights 
> I Want It Now 
> Someone Else Is To Blame 
> I'm A Victim 
> 
> Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he
> was gone. If you still remember him, pass this on. If not,
> join the majority and do nothing. 



?

Makes You THINK !!

Bob T.


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Sep 21 12:53:24 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:53:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC  Obituary
In-Reply-To: <8CC09007C0DE3B7-3ACC-17745@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC09007C0DE3B7-3ACC-17745@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <FF1A6C97AB0A45E488189D6F455CBFCD@jdnet.deere.com>

> > Obituary printed in the London Times - Interesting and
> > sadly, rather true.

Or perhaps, like Mark Twain, the reports of his death are greatly
exaggerated.  

This little ditty has been making the rounds since well before the Internet
age, at least 20 years that I know of.  The bit about the coffee was added
later (and that was in 1992, so gives you some idea).

-- Randall 


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Sep 21 15:03:53 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:03:53 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
Message-ID: <c63.501bea13.37e94439@aol.com>

My system exactly.  NEVER a problem....
 
 
In a message dated 9/21/2009 10:21:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
rocky at spitfire4.com writes:

When I  ordered my ATL cell many years ago, I ordered it with two pickups, 
one in  each rear corner. They go to two Holley Red fuel pumps (redundancy) 
which  then feed to a single tee that sends fuel to the front of the car 
for 
the  carbs. Just before the carbs there's a regulator I set for 2.5 lbs of 
flow  (I have a fuel flow meter there also).

Never had a problem. BTW, it's 8  gallons. I also ordered it with a 
dipstick 
so I could know my fuel  level.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From:  "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>;  <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:48  AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell


>I hope you have  the pickup in the center of the tank rather on one side.  
I
> made  that mistake once and found that on left hand turns all the fuel 
>  would
> go to the other side of the tank despite the foam baffles inside  the 
tank.
> Changing the orientation fixed the trouble.
>
>  Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>  Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 6:21  AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel  cell
>
> I am having trouble with my pickups sucking air during  long sweepers. 
Does
> anyone use a fuel cell with a trap or captive sump  to hold fuel while
> cornering?  A 5 gallon would be fine.
>  You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net
>
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From John.Reed at wilson.com  Mon Sep 21 15:12:03 2009
From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:12:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
In-Reply-To: <c63.501bea13.37e94439@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C6DD5653.3954%John.Reed@wilson.com>

Ditto


On 9/21/09 4:03 PM, "Gt6steve at aol.com" <Gt6steve at aol.com> wrote:

> My system exactly.  NEVER a problem....
>  
>  
> In a message dated 9/21/2009 10:21:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> rocky at spitfire4.com writes:
> 
> When I  ordered my ATL cell many years ago, I ordered it with two pickups,
> one in  each rear corner. They go to two Holley Red fuel pumps (redundancy)
> which  then feed to a single tee that sends fuel to the front of the car
> for 
> the  carbs. Just before the carbs there's a regulator I set for 2.5 lbs of
> flow  (I have a fuel flow meter there also).
> 
> Never had a problem. BTW, it's 8  gallons. I also ordered it with a
> dipstick 
> so I could know my fuel  level.
> 
> --Rocky Entriken
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:  "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
> To: <SpiwakD at aol.com>;  <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:48  AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
> 
> 
>> I hope you have  the pickup in the center of the tank rather on one side.
> I
>> made  that mistake once and found that on left hand turns all the fuel
>>  would
>> go to the other side of the tank despite the foam baffles inside  the
> tank.
>> Changing the orientation fixed the trouble.
>> 
>>  Joe C.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:  fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>>  Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 6:21  AM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel  cell
>> 
>> I am having trouble with my pickups sucking air during  long sweepers.
> Does
>> anyone use a fuel cell with a trap or captive sump  to hold fuel while
>> cornering?  A 5 gallon would be fine.
>>  You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Sep 21 15:13:10 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:13:10 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel cell
Message-ID: <c2e.55e791f4.37e94666@aol.com>

Isn't it cool how solutions far separated follow the same paths, perhaps  
suggesting that they're right?  Or maybe just saying they're  easy...;-))
 
 
In a message dated 9/21/2009 2:11:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
John.Reed at wilson.com writes:

Ditto


On 9/21/09 4:03 PM, "Gt6steve at aol.com"  <Gt6steve at aol.com> wrote:

> My system exactly.  NEVER a  problem....
>  
>  
> In a message dated 9/21/2009  10:21:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> rocky at spitfire4.com  writes:
> 
> When I  ordered my ATL cell many years ago, I  ordered it with two 
pickups,
> one in  each rear corner. They go to  two Holley Red fuel pumps 
(redundancy)
> which  then feed to a  single tee that sends fuel to the front of the car
> for 
>  the  carbs. Just before the carbs there's a regulator I set for 2.5 lbs  
of
> flow  (I have a fuel flow meter there also).
> 
>  Never had a problem. BTW, it's 8  gallons. I also ordered it with  a
> dipstick 
> so I could know my fuel  level.
>  
> --Rocky Entriken
> 
> ----- Original Message  -----
> From:  "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
> To:  <SpiwakD at aol.com>;  <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent:  Monday, September 21, 2009 9:48  AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot]  Slosh-proof fuel cell
> 
> 
>> I hope you have  the  pickup in the center of the tank rather on one 
side.
> I
>>  made  that mistake once and found that on left hand turns all the  fuel
>>  would
>> go to the other side of the tank  despite the foam baffles inside  the
> tank.
>> Changing  the orientation fixed the trouble.
>> 
>>  Joe  C.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:   fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]  
On
>>  Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
>> Sent: Monday,  September 21, 2009 6:21  AM
>> To:  fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] Slosh-proof fuel   cell
>> 
>> I am having trouble with my pickups sucking air  during  long sweepers.
> Does
>> anyone use a fuel cell  with a trap or captive sump  to hold fuel while
>>  cornering?  A 5 gallon would be fine.
>>  You are  subscribed as spitlist at cox.net
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Thu Sep 24 15:23:36 2009
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:23:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC  Obituary
In-Reply-To: <8CC09007C0DE3B7-3ACC-17745@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC09007C0DE3B7-3ACC-17745@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <82457C20A4C94CE3B323A319FBBEAF1F@INSPIRON>

No LBC is a good thing once in a while         cool
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <robertten1 at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 2:28 PM
Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC Obituary


>> Obituary printed in the London Times - Interesting and
>> sadly, rather true. 
>> 
>> Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend,
>> Common Sense,
>> who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure
>> how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost
>> in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having
>> cultivated such valuable lessons as: 
>> - Knowing when to come in out of the rain; 
>> - Why the early bird gets the worm; 
>> - Life isn't always fair; 
>> - and maybe it was my fault. 
>> 
>> Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial
>> policies (don't spend more than you can earn) and
>> reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).
>> His health began to deteriorate rapidly when
>> well-intentioned but
> overbearing regulations were set in
>> place. Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual
>> harassment for kiss ing a classmate; teens suspended from
>> school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired
>> for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his
>> condition. 
>> 
>> Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked
>> teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed
>> to do in disciplining their unruly children. 
>> 
>> It declined even further when schools were required to get
>> parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a
>> student; but could not inform parents when a student became
>> pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.
>> 
>> 
>> Common Sense lost the will to live as the
>> churches became businesses; and criminals received better
>> treatment than their victims. 
>> 
>> Common Sense
> took a beating when you couldn't
>> defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the
>> burglar could sue you for assault. 
>> 
>> Common Sense finally gave up the will to live,
>> after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of
>> coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was
>> promptly awarded a huge settlement. 
>> 
>> Common Sense was preceded in death, by his
>> parents, Truth and Trust, by his wife, Discretion, by his
>> daughter, Responsibility, and by his son, Reason. 
>> 
>> He is survived by his 4 stepbrothers; 
>> I Know My Rights 
>> I Want It Now 
>> Someone Else Is To Blame 
>> I'm A Victim 
>> 
>> Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he
>> was gone. If you still remember him, pass this on. If not,
>> join the majority and do nothing. 
> 
> 
> 
> ?
> 
> Makes You THINK !!
> 
> Bob T.
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From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Sep 21 15:41:33 2009
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:41:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] PI
Message-ID: <00cb01ca3b04$49bdbd80$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>

got a chance at a TR6 PI setup.
any ideas of what constitutes a good
price and pitfalls i should watch for?

art de armond


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Sep 21 15:53:56 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:53:56 -0700
Subject: [Fot] PI
References: <00cb01ca3b04$49bdbd80$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <AAC2BA27E0754F1B9F681BB3F4349092@Charly>

Price depends on condition  $100 to $500, they all need to be worked on and 
none have all the pieces.
Get as many pieces as you can i.e.: 3 good throttle bodies that have the 
linkage complete and decent throttle shafts (I believe someone sells the 
throttle shafts for about $200), 6 injectors with corresponding tubes, 1 
control unit (these can be rebuilt for about $600) metering unit (make sure 
you get the proper fittings on the mu) and pedestal complete with 
distributor drive gear, Lucas fuel pump and pressure relief valve, fuel 
filter, air plenum, air filter housing

This should be about all the parts you need.  These are available quite 
often at various prices.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44 with PI

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "riverside" <riverside at southslope.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 2:41 PM
Subject: [Fot] PI


> got a chance at a TR6 PI setup.
> any ideas of what constitutes a good
> price and pitfalls i should watch for?
>
> art de armond
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Mon Sep 21 21:26:31 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:26:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Radiator TR3
In-Reply-To: <c8a.45e1859f.37e8d736@aol.com>
References: <c8a.45e1859f.37e8d736@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000301ca3b34$8db7eda0$a927c8e0$@com>

Try E-bay Motors and type in "Triumph aluminum radiators".  You will get to
the Wizard Cooling E-bay "store". They have them for the TR3.  They built
the aluminum radiator for our 1961 TR4 race car and we are very pleased with
it.  No problems cooling, even when it's in the 80's.  Out contact was Mr.
Scott Attig and I believe he is still with Wizard.  I think ours was the
prototype for the early TR4/late TR3 style.  I see that it isn't shown on
the E-bay store.  I can e-mail a photo of ours if you are interested.

Tim Murphy
1961 TR4 #317

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:19 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Radiator TR3

Need a source for a quality aluminum radiator for TR3 race  car
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From gsfuqua1 at aol.com  Tue Sep 22 00:26:13 2009
From: gsfuqua1 at aol.com (Gary S Fuqua)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:26:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Radiator TR3
In-Reply-To: <000301ca3b34$8db7eda0$a927c8e0$@com>
References: <c8a.45e1859f.37e8d736@aol.com>
	<000301ca3b34$8db7eda0$a927c8e0$@com>
Message-ID: <5949D324-5C04-4252-A4D7-32EC4E3E88AA@aol.com>

I can also vouch for Scot & Wizzard.  I have 1 of there beautiful  
radiators in my 63 TR 4 racer.  Works great & I always get great  
comments on it.  In fact I was so impressed I bought 2 for TR 3B's I'm  
building.

Cheers,  Gary Fuqua
Classic Sports Cars
Branson, Missouri

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 21, 2009, at 10:26 PM, "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>  
wrote:

> Try E-bay Motors and type in "Triumph aluminum radiators".  You will  
> get to
> the Wizard Cooling E-bay "store". They have them for the TR3.  They  
> built
> the aluminum radiator for our 1961 TR4 race car and we are very  
> pleased with
> it.  No problems cooling, even when it's in the 80's.  Out contact  
> was Mr.
> Scott Attig and I believe he is still with Wizard.  I think ours was  
> the
> prototype for the early TR4/late TR3 style.  I see that it isn't  
> shown on
> the E-bay store.  I can e-mail a photo of ours if you are interested.
>
> Tim Murphy
> 1961 TR4 #317
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]  
> On
> Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:19 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Radiator TR3
>
> Need a source for a quality aluminum radiator for TR3 race  car
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From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Tue Sep 22 03:00:04 2009
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:00:04 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Billet Cams
Message-ID: <3BB75B951AF042E89B08BDEEDF39B849@GEOFFPC>

FOT
does any know of a supplier of billet cams for the 6 cyl motor
Geoff Byrne
TR6 racer down under


From jaboruch at netzero.net  Tue Sep 22 06:08:01 2009
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:08:01 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Radiator TR3
Message-ID: <20090922.080801.10982.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com>

I had one made by McCulloch Fabricating some years ago.  They custom made it
to my drawing.  I added some brackets for an electric fan.  Their web site is
http://www.alumrad.com/.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: SpiwakD at aol.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Radiator TR3
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:18:46 EDT

Need a source for a quality aluminum radiator for TR3 race  car
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Sep 22 07:32:09 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:32:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Billet Cams
In-Reply-To: <3BB75B951AF042E89B08BDEEDF39B849@GEOFFPC>
References: <3BB75B951AF042E89B08BDEEDF39B849@GEOFFPC>
Message-ID: <4AB8D1D9.5090206@pobox.com>

There are a number of suppliers that sell cams ground on new chilled 
cast iron blanks - TSI Imported, Intergral Cams.  The blanks usually 
have to be bought in large lots.  Ask them if they will sell you a 
blank.  Please let me know what you find out.  I'll be in the market for 
these in the near future.
Larry Young

Geoff Byrne wrote:
> FOT
> does any know of a supplier of billet cams for the 6 cyl motor
> Geoff Byrne
> TR6 racer down under
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue Sep 22 08:38:37 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:38:37 EDT
Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE 1296   AVAILABLE  -  RACE PREPARED
Message-ID: <c11.37475d3c.37ea3b6d@cs.com>

LIST:

There is a Spitfire vintage prepared, but unsorted with mild 1296 engine. 
NFI

Great school car, methinks, and then open to further development.

This might be a sale of opportunity as I could deliver west of the 
Mississippi as I plan to travel to California by November with space available in 
enclosed trailer.

Pictures and details available by owner. Contact me for initial details and 
I will connect you with owner. He is likely to be with me on delivery, if 
sale occurs.

Joe Alexander


From goodparts at verizon.net  Tue Sep 22 15:50:10 2009
From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:50:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Billet Cams
In-Reply-To: <3BB75B951AF042E89B08BDEEDF39B849@GEOFFPC>
References: <3BB75B951AF042E89B08BDEEDF39B849@GEOFFPC>
Message-ID: <80757D16ED3F473B8B53B617D6D2A0B0@AdminPC>

I have semi-finished chilled iron cams in stock.  Everything is finish 
ground except the lobes.  Contact me off list for pricing.

Regards,
Richard Good
Good Parts

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To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:00 AM
Subject: [Fot] Billet Cams


> FOT
> does any know of a supplier of billet cams for the 6 cyl motor
> Geoff Byrne
> TR6 racer down under
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From rblake36 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 22 21:21:07 2009
From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:21:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TWS Weekend
Message-ID: <811492.63370.qm@web58507.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Just a note to those FOTer's who attended the TWS driver school and race
weekend, I would like to say thanks for making my first outing a sucess. 
Without the help of all, and especially Greg Blake and Bob Kramer, I would not
have enjoyed the weekend near as much as I did.  After an inauspisous (non)
start (read oil leaking all over the start grid on my first run), the car came
back to perform well, in spite of the driver, thanks to Kramer and his
incredible store of spares.  In fact, Bob saved both the Blakes, as Greg
needed a head gasket to finish the weekend.  I look forward to the next TWS
event in November when I plan to show better prepared.  A note to the Missouri
crowd.   When all else fails, just wrap your dipstick with paper towels and
carry on!
 
Bob Blake


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Sep 22 23:19:13 2009
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:19:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Worn Lifters
Message-ID: <C3498E1F-E0BA-486F-861D-EB095D5DFF8B@earthlink.net>

If anybody wants to see some pictures of a set of lifters after 1 race  
weekend in my TR3, let me know, I'll email the pix to you.
I'd like to get your reaction to the photos.

~Steve


From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Wed Sep 23 00:03:48 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 02:03:48 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TWS Weekend
Message-ID: <c40.6731b392.37eb1444@aol.com>

Good one Bob.  Speaking for the Missouri crowd we sure enjoyed our  time 
together and you are absolutely correct in your statements about Bob  Kramer.  
He is always a gentleman and if he doesn't have it he probably  knows where 
to get it.  Your experience at drivers school was not too much  unlike my 
own.  I did the school in February and while that makes for a  little more 
comfort while wearing all the racing duds it also means the oil is  heavy to 
pump in a cold race engine.  We started out Friday with a little  leak which 
we couldn't identify initially.  It continue to grow but not at  an alarming 
pace.  That is until Saturday morning when it was really  cold.  We started 
the car and oil literally poured out of it on the  floor.  I had a busted 
oil cooler AND I had  a mandatory drivers meeting.  You know all about those 
by now!   Anyway, while I was  fretting and worrying Bob and Walt sent me 
off to my meeting and by the time I  got out they had found a new cooler and 
had it installed.  I never missed a  lap!!  That is what a good part of 
Vintage Racing is all about for  me.  I love to race the cars and enjoy learn how 
to do it better but I  really love meeting new friends and the camaraderie 
that comes with Vintage  Racing and especially in the FoT crowd.  I hope to 
make it back down to TWS  in November and already have Hallett on the agenda 
for October.
 
Just keep the shiny side up and welcome to the family!  
 
Cheers,
 
Gary Fuqua
Branson, MO
 
Ps...Think with your dip stick Jimmy!!!!  Ha  ha


From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 23 07:03:02 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:03:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Autobahn?
Message-ID: <785796.23666.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

FOT:
 
Who is planning to be at VSCDA's Autobahn event; October 9 - 11?
 
Ernie


From jaboruch at netzero.net  Wed Sep 23 08:25:19 2009
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:25:19 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Spindle Spacer Shims
Message-ID: <20090923.102519.26423.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com>

Amici, where can I buy a set of shims for the uprated front spindle spacers to
use with Southwick front hubs?  After installing mine recently I put the
leftover shims in a safe place and now I can not find them.  I have looked in
all of the safe places that I can think of, but to no avail.  Joe(B)
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Sep 23 08:56:58 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:56:58 EDT
Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Autobahn?
Message-ID: <cf9.62e522bb.37eb913a@aol.com>

In a message dated 09/23/2009 8:09:56 AM Central Daylight Time, 
ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:


> FOT:
> 
> Who is planning to be at VSCDA's Autobahn event; October 9 - 11?
> 

I am registered to run the Thunder Bolt.  Bob Wismer has to pass on the 
VSCDA Autobahn event because his wife invited family guests to Moline for that 
week end.  I suggested they all come to Joliet for the week end.  But his 
wife wasn't buying into that agenda.

Bill Dentinger


From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Wed Sep 23 08:59:33 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:59:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spindle Spacer Shims
References: <20090923.102519.26423.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <042501ca3c5e$76183210$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Joe, I guess I'm not the only guy who stashes out parts where I'll be sure
to find them later on, then forgets  where I stashed them! I'm in the
process of finding some whitworth wrenches for a friend. Now where did I
leave them?
  As for the spacers, maybe Tony Drews could help you out with some of Uncle
Jacks shims.
  Good luck, Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:25 AM
  Subject: [Fot] Spindle Spacer Shims


  > Amici, where can I buy a set of shims for the uprated front spindle
spacers to
  > use with Southwick front hubs?  After installing mine recently I put the
  > leftover shims in a safe place and now I can not find them.  I have
looked in
  > all of the safe places that I can think of, but to no avail.  Joe(B)
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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Wed Sep 23 09:00:33 2009
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:00:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spindle Spacer Shims
References: <20090923.102519.26423.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <E53A59C6AABB4C1A8DA54D187DC19192@Edscomputer>

Joe,

Strangely, they will be in the last place you look!

Ed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:25 AM
Subject: [Fot] Spindle Spacer Shims


> Amici, where can I buy a set of shims for the uprated front spindle 
> spacers to
> use with Southwick front hubs?  After installing mine recently I put the
> leftover shims in a safe place and now I can not find them.  I have looked 
> in
> all of the safe places that I can think of, but to no avail.  Joe(B)


From bentleyblvd at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 23 09:57:09 2009
From: bentleyblvd at yahoo.com (John Hornbostel)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:57:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Autobahn?
In-Reply-To: <cf9.62e522bb.37eb913a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <935401.23854.qm@web58203.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

We'll be there with the Flying Brick #142. Although car is of Swedish origin,
driver/owner, as always, looks forward to joining with FOT attendees!

John Hornbostel
'63 Vitesse Sports 6

--- On Wed, 9/23/09, BillDentin at aol.com <BillDentin at aol.com> wrote:

> From: BillDentin at aol.com <BillDentin at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] VSCDA Autobahn?
> To: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com, fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 10:56 AM
> In a message dated 09/23/2009 8:09:56
> AM Central Daylight Time,
> ehusmann53 at yahoo.com
> writes:
>
>
> > FOT:
> >
> > Who is planning to be at VSCDA's Autobahn event;
> October 9 - 11?
> >
>
> I am registered to run the Thunder Bolt.  Bob Wismer
> has to pass on the
> VSCDA Autobahn event because his wife invited family guests
> to Moline for that
> week end.  I suggested they all come to Joliet for the
> week end.  But his
> wife wasn't buying into that agenda.
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
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From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Sep 23 10:13:30 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:13:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spindle Spacer Shims
In-Reply-To: <E53A59C6AABB4C1A8DA54D187DC19192@Edscomputer>
References: <20090923.102519.26423.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com>
	<E53A59C6AABB4C1A8DA54D187DC19192@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330909230913r5f429458m8d88064d644993b0@mail.gmail.com>

Naw. they will magically appear a day after you buy new ones.



On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Ed Woods <fogbro1 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Joe,
>
> Strangely, they will be in the last place you look!
>
> Ed
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:25 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Spindle Spacer Shims
>
>
>  Amici, where can I buy a set of shims for the uprated front spindle
>> spacers to
>> use with Southwick front hubs?  After installing mine recently I put the
>> leftover shims in a safe place and now I can not find them.  I have looked
>> in
>> all of the safe places that I can think of, but to no avail.  Joe(B)
>>
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Sep 23 12:21:17 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:21:17 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spindle Spacer Shims
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330909230913r5f429458m8d88064d644993b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090923.102519.26423.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com>
	<E53A59C6AABB4C1A8DA54D187DC19192@Edscomputer>
	<d9f7bd330909230913r5f429458m8d88064d644993b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ABA671D.4060601@bradakis.com>

robert bownes wrote:
> Naw. they will magically appear a day after you buy new ones.
>
>   
I remember years ago cleaning up, threw out this one GT6 part,  Of
course the next weekend I had a broken GT6 and was out scrounging
the junkyards, ending up buying one in slightly worse condition than
the one I tossed, and paid $25 for the privilege.  Sigh.


mjb.


From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Wed Sep 23 14:02:45 2009
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:02:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Not TR but interesting if you like all LBC
Message-ID: <20090923200245.9XBTG.67449.root@cdptpa-web23-z02>

Not TR but a really significant factory Sebring AH Sprite for sale on Ebay. Currently at $185K with over 50 bids. Item # 300348776161.

Bob


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Sep 23 14:32:52 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:32:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] ANYONE GOING TO SCCA RUNOFFS?
Message-ID: <8CC0AA428B8599B-7BFC-18154@webmail-d050.sysops.aol.com>

FOT;



I have an opportunity to go to RUNOFFS. Anyone going to be there?



Contact me if you wish.



Joe Alexander


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Sep 23 16:19:38 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:19:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO BUILDS
Message-ID: <8CC0AB3131E4D29-3838-56F6@webmail-d037.sysops.aol.com>

FOT,



It appears that the last of the AMBRO body kits are leaving their high rack storage.



In the unlikely event you are bent on building one, let me know.



Building one is not for everyone. However,it sure feels good when it can travel from MASON CITY TO MINNEAPOLIS.?



If, however, there is interest, it might influence a decision to produce one, two, or three kits.



No commitment is needed, just interest.



Thanks!? 



Joe A


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Wed Sep 23 22:22:32 2009
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:22:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] tws part 2
Message-ID: <000001ca3cce$a8e240d0$6401a8c0@blake1>

Part 2
 
New head gasket installed, I had an absolute blast following Bob &
Andrew around Sunday morning (pic below).  I had a strange noise coming
from the rear end one lap after the picture was taken. At the end of the
back straight I pitched it hard into turn 7 and it sounded like the
drive shaft had let go and was bouncing around.  I pulled in to check
things out.  When I drained the diff fluid, it was pretty shinny but non
metallic.  This is a welded diff so I am not too concerned about fine
brass bits in the diff.  Should I be?
 
Dad, Don Couch, and all the other Kramers were watching at the Carousel
as Bob, I, and Andrew came around the Carousel nose to tail.  I think
this was the point at which Dad found his confidence.  Watching Bob
pitch his car around the track let him see what the car could do.  For
the rest of Sunday, Dad was swapping positions with a 914.  At the end
of his sessions he would come in with a very big grin.  I know he is
hooked now.
 
I filled the diff in the 3 and ran again in the afternoon with group 7.
The noise reappeared after lap 3, I thought about coming in again but
decided to just back off a bit and keep driving.  The noise started to
die down a bit towards the end of the race.  Not sure what is going on
with this rear end.  This is the second fresh rear end in so many races.
I'll pull the cover before too long to check things out, again.
 
 
 
Links below to various picture from the weekend.  I'll send out another
link for the best picture of the weekend when Don gets us his photos.
Don??
 
This Dad, Bob Blake, learning the Carousel
http://cafephoto.smugmug.com/CVAR-TWS-9-200/Group-5/Sun-AM2/9709628_XabU
q/1/656590819_t4fof/Medium
 
This is Bob Kramer, AKA spares, borrowing Dad's car for the Sunday am
Group 7 race showing Andrew and I the line.  
 
http://cafephoto.smugmug.com/CVAR-TWS-9-200/Group-7/Sun-AM1/9709692_vJrU
u/6/656627903_AtRU5/Small
 
 
Kramer really does have an amazing amount of knowledge and spares.
Along with the head gasket that he loaned me (I don't plan to give that
one back Bob) I asked for a spare rocker arm adjusting screw/nut and
push rod.  I had a nut back off which resulted in a stripped screw and
mushroomed pushrod.  Bob hands me a complete ready to bolt on rocker set
and a set of 8 push rods, take your pick.  Awesome.  Once again, I would
not have made it through the weekend without him.
 
Thanks for all the help, especially Dad and Bob.  You guys rock.
 
Larry,
 
LOVE THE CAM.  
 
Greg


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Wed Sep 23 22:22:32 2009
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:22:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW:  TWS Weekend
Message-ID: <000501ca3cce$aa2ff680$6401a8c0@blake1>

Part 1 

It was good to see the Missouri crowd again, and for the record Dad, it
was Walt who got the oil line on your car, not me.  All I did is point
out the massive amounts of fluid being deposited on grid.

Did you guys fix the bug eye yet?

For the rest of the FOT crowd;

I showed up on Friday morning to help Dad get going for the driver's
school and to take some break in laps on the new motor.  As Dad pulled
to grid for the first time, I noticed a bit of fluid coming from the
engine bay.  I opened the hood to find water leaking out of the bottom
radiator hose and oil was leaking from one of the many fittings around
the takeoff plate (so we thought).  I talked to Dad's instructor who
said, he can miss this run but you better hustle and get him ready for
the second run or he is done.  So we pulled it back to the paddock to
look things over.  After closer inspection, one of the oil lines had a
hole.  These are the BSP fitting hoses so I had no spares with me.  We
put Dad in my 3 for the Friday sessions.  He was more than a bit
apprehensive about breaking in my new motor, his instructor told him
that if anything let go, I was to blame not him.  Bob brought a spare
BSP hose on Friday evening and we got Dad's 4 up and running for the
rest of the weekend.

On Saturday with Dad in his own car I could tell he was having more fun,
but something was still missing.  I was not sure what he needed, but he
just did not seem to be settling in.

Andrew was struggling with a bad clutch all day in the Blue TR4.  Dad
decided for Sunday, Bob Kramer should borrow his car so Andrew could get
on track with Bob's Red TR4a.  This was a great idea all around.  I
decided I would run Group 7 with the Kramers if I got my head gasket
fixed Saturday night.


From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Wed Sep 23 21:32:13 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:32:13 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TWS Weekend
Message-ID: <d44.541f4470.37ec423d@aol.com>

Greg it was great to send the weekend with you guys.  We pulled the  motor 
& tranny of the Bugeye yesterday and it was basically a total  loss.  The 
clutch is shot, the tranny is shot, the engine is shot.   The cam may be OK 
not sure on the block or head yet.  It appears that the #  4 rod bearing let 
go which caused a chain reaction of destruction.  The  crank started to fail 
which caused the tranny & clutch to wobble, well you  get the picture.  I 
think that is why they call it racing.  Sure glad  it didn't let go on the 
track at speed.
 
Cheers and hope to see you at Hallett or perhaps I can make it back to TWS  
in November.
 
Gary
63 TR 4 #69


From ofbracing at nefcom.net  Thu Sep 24 19:21:31 2009
From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (ofbracing)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:21:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] No TR, new healey
Message-ID: <75DBDE61BE8842F384FFADA6B877645E@Dell5100Laptop>

>From the Healey list, announcing plans for the new Healey 3000...


"Nanjing Automobile Corp, which thinks it bought the rights to the
Austin-Healey name but probably didn't, announced today it is partnering
with "The Scooter Store" to revive the classic British sports car.  

Company president Dong Mi Han, affectionately known around the company
as DMH", stated, "Given the demographics of former Healey owners, we are
excited to bring back this rememberance of their youth so they can enjoy
"motoring" in their Golden Years."  

In addition to the base model, Nanjing plans to release a limited
edition "LeMans" edition with two-tone paint, wire wheels, and an
uprated battery with louvered cover.  A sound generator will recreate
the distinctive Healey sound.  Price has yet to be announced, but should
be "At little or no cost to you."


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 24 21:18:38 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:18:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Autobahn?
In-Reply-To: <cf9.62e522bb.37eb913a@aol.com>
References: <cf9.62e522bb.37eb913a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <283158.87090.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'll be there racing the TR4.

Dennis DeLap



> FOT:
> 
> Who is planning
to be at VSCDA's Autobahn event; October 9 - 11?
> 

I am registered to run
the Thunder Bolt.  Bob Wismer has to pass on the 
VSCDA Autobahn event because
his wife invited family guests to Moline for that 
week end.  I suggested they
all come to Joliet for the week end.  But his 
wife wasn't buying into that
agenda.

Bill Dentinger
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 11:11:00 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:11:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
Message-ID: <673993c50909251011w4f8158ar81972cd2e8f996c2@mail.gmail.com>

Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two very quick
Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can work the
draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.

You can watch the live video feed with commentary at www.speedcasttv.com

The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color commentary.

Bob


From triosan at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 13:50:04 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:50:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
In-Reply-To: <673993c50909251011w4f8158ar81972cd2e8f996c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <673993c50909251011w4f8158ar81972cd2e8f996c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909251250o109555b7k4b5556941a00ba9d@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the link.  Gret race going on now also --really good PC video!

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two very quick
> Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can work the
> draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.
>
> You can watch the live video feed with commentary at www.speedcasttv.com
>
> The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color commentary.
>
> Bob
>
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From bownes at seiri.com  Fri Sep 25 14:41:36 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:41:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0909251250o109555b7k4b5556941a00ba9d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <673993c50909251011w4f8158ar81972cd2e8f996c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<8cbd782d0909251250o109555b7k4b5556941a00ba9d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330909251341x7da555d5r32919fa62a8e47ff@mail.gmail.com>

What a first lap!


On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Chuck Arnold <triosan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the link.  Gret race going on now also --really good PC video!
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two very
> quick
> > Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can work the
> > draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.
> >
> > You can watch the live video feed with commentary at www.speedcasttv.com
> >
> > The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color commentary.
> >
> > Bob
> >
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 25 14:56:18 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:56:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330909251341x7da555d5r32919fa62a8e47ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <384162.16879.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Anyone able to say what the results were?  Inquiring minds want to know.

--- On Fri, 9/25/09, robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com> wrote:


From: robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
To: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 3:41 PM


What a first lap!


On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Chuck Arnold <triosan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the link.  Gret race going on now also --really good PC video!
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two very
> quick
> > Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can work the
> > draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.
> >
> > You can watch the live video feed with commentary at www.speedcasttv.com
> >
> > The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color commentary.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 15:00:38 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:00:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
In-Reply-To: <384162.16879.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
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AMAZING race so far. I was/am rooting for Ruck, but the first 8-9 laps or so
have been incredible.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Anyone able to say what the results were?  Inquiring minds want to know.
>
> --- On Fri, 9/25/09, robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
> To: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 3:41 PM
>
>
> What a first lap!
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Chuck Arnold <triosan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the link.  Gret race going on now also --really good PC video!
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two very
> > quick
> > > Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can work
> the
> > > draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.
> > >
> > > You can watch the live video feed with commentary at
> www.speedcasttv.com
> > >
> > > The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color commentary.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
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From bownes at seiri.com  Fri Sep 25 15:07:14 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:07:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
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What a battle for 2nd/3rd! 0.063 between 'em.



On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com> wrote:

> AMAZING race so far. I was/am rooting for Ruck, but the first 8-9 laps or
> so have been incredible.
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Anyone able to say what the results were?  Inquiring minds want to know.
>>
>> --- On Fri, 9/25/09, robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
>> To: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>
>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>> Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 3:41 PM
>>
>>
>> What a first lap!
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Chuck Arnold <triosan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks for the link.  Gret race going on now also --really good PC
>> video!
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two very
>> > quick
>> > > Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can work
>> the
>> > > draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.
>> > >
>> > > You can watch the live video feed with commentary at
>> www.speedcasttv.com
>> > >
>> > > The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color
>> commentary.
>> > >
>> > > Bob
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > >
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From triosan at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 15:09:32 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:09:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
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Sargis was in lead on lap one.  Three cars abreast with room for two, guy
gets hit, comes sidways and wipes out Sargis.  An Acura won.  Great battle
for second between super 7 and miata--6 100's second for Miata.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Anyone able to say what the results were?  Inquiring minds want to know.
>
> --- On *Fri, 9/25/09, robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
> To: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 3:41 PM
>
> What a first lap!
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Chuck Arnold <triosan at gmail.com<http://us.mc576.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=triosan at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the link.  Gret race going on now also --really good PC video!
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com<http://us.mc576.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=adams910 at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> > > Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two very
> > quick
> > > Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can work
> the
> > > draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.
> > >
> > > You can watch the live video feed with commentary at
> www.speedcasttv.com
> > >
> > > The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color commentary.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > >
> > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
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-- 
Chuck Arnold


From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Sep 25 19:27:54 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:27:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: CSRG CHARITY CHALLENGE VINTAGE RACES THIS WEEKEND
Message-ID: <6425C0B8A65E434486D8FA736440E4ED@Bud>

----- Original Message -----
From: RACER BUD
To: TTSCC at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:26 PM
Subject: CSRG CHARITY CHALLENGE VINTAGE RACES THIS WEEKEND


Hi Gang
This weekend is the CSRG CHARITY CHALLENGE Vintage Races at Infineon.....We
have 190+ entries this year...Featured marque is CAN-AM...including  a Mark
Donohue Car..We have a Pre-War Group, a Formula Junior Group,a Formula Ford/
Formula B Group,a USRRC group, a Classic GT production car group..and a
historic(classic) Gt & modified group .in which Chuck Hart in His Devin
Triumph, and Racer Bud in his Spitfire will be 'holding off the charges' of 42
competitors of every marque you can imagine...
....And...an exciting opportunity....Spectators can buy 'Hot Laps' in race
Cars..Including Can-Am...Shelby Mustangs...etc...ALL of the proceeds go to
Charity.......
There are Full racing Schedules both days   Saturday is...qualifying in the
morning(for Sat afternoon races)...saturday afternoon races are qualifying
races for sunday's Feauture races....sunday morning is warm up for all
classes...sunday afternoon...Feature races for all groups..
admission is TWENTY BUCKOS for a full weekend pass, which includes complete
paddock access for spectators....The FULL price of your ticket goes to the
SPEEDWAY CHILDRENS CHARITIES....
Hope to see you there Friends!...If you're at the races..Please stop by....Our
Pit Is Your Home(just thought that one up)..(:>)
Racer Bud...Spitfire #21...


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Fri Sep 25 19:55:29 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:55:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
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Anybody figure out how to view this on a Mac?

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 25, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Chuck Arnold <triosan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sargis was in lead on lap one.  Three cars abreast with room for  
> two, guy
> gets hit, comes sidways and wipes out Sargis.  An Acura won.  Great  
> battle
> for second between super 7 and miata--6 100's second for Miata.
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Ernest Husmann  
> <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Anyone able to say what the results were?  Inquiring minds want to  
>> know.
>>
>> --- On *Fri, 9/25/09, robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video  
>> feed
>> To: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>
>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>> Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 3:41 PM
>>
>> What a first lap!
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Chuck Arnold <triosan at gmail.com<http://us.mc576.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=triosan at gmail.com 
>> >>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the link.  Gret race going on now also --really good PC  
>>> video!
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com<http://us.mc576.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=adams910 at gmail.com 
>>> >>
>> wrote:
>>>> Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two  
>>>> very
>>> quick
>>>> Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can  
>>>> work
>> the
>>>> draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.
>>>>
>>>> You can watch the live video feed with commentary at
>> www.speedcasttv.com
>>>>
>>>> The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color  
>>>> commentary.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>>
>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com
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>>>> >
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 26 07:51:26 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:51:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
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Scott,

Someone posted that this
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/wmcomponents.mspxallowed
them to view it.


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Sep 26 14:33:24 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:33:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] No TR content, cool videos
Message-ID: <20090926203345.5F15C187667@autox.team.net>

Slow mo camera inside a combustion chamber.  Cool.
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/10/micro_camera_shows_the_working/

Dale Earnhart Jr. flies with the Blue Angels ("I want to join the Navy")
http://www.flixxy.com/blue-angels-aerobatics-jet-airplane.htm

- Tony Drews


From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com  Sat Sep 26 17:15:47 2009
From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:15:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] fot'r for thought
Message-ID: <4ABEA0A3.2010804@twcny.rr.com>

So there I was driving home the long way home from work (~40 miles each 
way) through the back hills of Upstate NY in my old Mustang that was the 
victim of my first mid life crisis. This is a great running car that I 
drive to Watkins fun track days and SCCA autocrosses just for grins -  
it always runs. So I go for third gear moseying across the valley on a 
back country road when BANG the clutch slams to the floor. Now; I'm not 
saying this happened in the same town or even on the same street; but 
this happens RIGHT smack in front of Russ Moore's house (spit racer one 
of you guys told me about and I finally met through the FOT).

What are the odds... He was home and a few tie wraps later and a quick 
garage tour - project update and off I go. WHAT are the odds...

Part of me was glad it happened in front of his house (Chicken) but 
another part of me wonders if it happened because I was in front of his 
house (Egg).

Best,

Mark


From cwnfot at gmail.com  Sat Sep 26 20:36:49 2009
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 22:36:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
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	<C451FAC5-5F50-4458-A115-FD2D80CC989F@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <000301ca3f1b$5df62600$19e27200$@com>

Results at
http://www.scca.com/eventresults.aspx?event=13506&hub=1 

Also, if you have the latest Realplayer installed you can record the
broadcast, up to 4 hours, and save it on your hard drive as a .rm file for
later play or burn a CD (as I did).

I missed the FP race however, darn.

Clark


From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Sep 26 20:55:21 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:55:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: FREE BOTTLED WATER at THE GANG'S PIT AREA SUNDAY.INFINEON
Message-ID: <E24450876C344D39B4443BED3EEF6826@Bud>

Hi Gang.....We are going to have bottled water at the Gang's pit area
Sunday...all FREE(as long as it lasts).......please come by and help
yourselves...It's important ...Especially for Children to stay hydrated.....If
We feel Thirsty...WE HAVE ALREADY GONE TOO LONG WITHOUT WATER....
Racer Bud
..


From adams910 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 26 23:11:26 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 01:11:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
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	<8cbd782d0909251409n7f952134sebcfd75641d521f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<C451FAC5-5F50-4458-A115-FD2D80CC989F@comcast.net>
	<673993c50909260651l1a769834gc8f8a2f0feb9f244@mail.gmail.com>
	<000301ca3f1b$5df62600$19e27200$@com>
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It was posted that they are going to edit and add in-car video before
posting them in about a weeks time. T2, FP, FV, and the last 1/3 of SM are
the races to watch so far.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Clark W. Nicholls <cwnfot at gmail.com>wrote:

> Results at
> http://www.scca.com/eventresults.aspx?event=13506&hub=1
>
> Also, if you have the latest Realplayer installed you can record the
> broadcast, up to 4 hours, and save it on your hard drive as a .rm file for
> later play or burn a CD (as I did).
>
> I missed the FP race however, darn.
>
> Clark


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Sep 27 06:53:17 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:53:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed
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Message-ID: <8CC0D889D6EEA69-4D5C-8F6A@webmail-d064.sysops.aol.com>

i am at the runnoffs and just got a signal and will try to use live feed.



re: steve sargis???? bummer!



joe a








-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2009 12:11 pm
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs FP @ 3:30 Central Time, live video feed



Steve Sargis is on the pole by almost two seconds, but he has two very quick
Miatas behind him and two very fast Integras. If those guys can work the
draft, it's promising to be a real barn burner.

You can watch the live video feed with commentary at www.speedcasttv.com

The coverage has been excellent so far with EFR doing color commentary.

Bob
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Sep 27 07:41:04 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:41:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] fot'r for thought
In-Reply-To: <4ABEA0A3.2010804@twcny.rr.com>
References: <4ABEA0A3.2010804@twcny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8CC0D8F4AE8F290-988-13627@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com>

TWILIGHT ZONE

home from work (~40 miles each way) through the back hills of Upstate NY in my old Mustang that was the victim of my first mid life crisis. This is a great running car that I drive to Watkins fun track days and SCCA autocrosses just for grins - it always runs. So I go for third gear moseying across the valley on a back country road when BANG the clutch slams to the floor. Now; I'm not saying this happened in the same town or even on the same street; but this happens RIGHT smack in front of Russ Moore's house (spit racer one of you guys told me about and I finally met through the FOT).?
?
What are the odds... He was home and a few tie wraps later and a quick garage tour - project update and off I go. WHAT are the odds...?
?
Part of me was glad it happened in front of his house (Chicken) but another part of me wonders if it happened because I was in front of his house (Egg).?
?
Best,?
?
Mark?



-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Eginton <markconsultation at twcny.rr.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Sep 26, 2009 6:15 pm
Subject: [Fot] fot'r for thought


So there I was driving home the long way home from work (~40 miles each way) through the back hills of Upstate NY in my old Mustang that was the victim of my first mid life crisis. This is a great running car that I drive to Watkins fun track days and SCCA autocrosses just for grins - it always runs. So I go for third gear moseying across the valley on a back country road when BANG the clutch slams to the floor. Now; I'm not saying this happened in the same town or even on the same street; but this happens RIGHT smack in front of Russ Moore's house (spit racer one of you guys told me about and I finally met through the FOT).?
?
What are the odds... He was home and a few tie wraps later and a quick garage tour - project update and off I go. WHAT are the odds...?
?
Part of me was glad it happened in front of his house (Chicken) but another part of me wonders if it happened because I was in front of his house (Egg).?
?
Best,?
?
Mark?
?
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Sep 27 08:46:26 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:46:26 EDT
Subject: [Fot] VARA does Vegas or VIVA Las VARA?
Message-ID: <be8.5c653363.37f0d4c2@aol.com>

Amici,
 
Who's coming to the Vegas race in a couple weeks?  Heard any rumors on  the 
expected turnout?
 
When arriving?  Should we try for the usual spots?
 
Steve


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Sep 27 09:36:44 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:36:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] paging john nikas
Message-ID: <8CC0D9F73BFE678-C28-13FC5@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com>

i am trying to raise john nikas....thanks!



joe a


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Sep 27 09:40:26 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:40:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] F500snowmobiles on wheels 2:24.9 at Road America HALKIAS on
 board at 4:30PM
Message-ID: <8CC0D9FF7E3C99E-C28-14039@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com>



From dave at microworks.net  Sun Sep 27 10:11:19 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:11:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] F500snowmobiles on wheels 2:24.9 at Road America HALKIAS
 on board at 4:30PM
In-Reply-To: <8CC0D9FF7E3C99E-C28-14039@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC0D9FF7E3C99E-C28-14039@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090927161706.85C1D18766A@autox.team.net>

These cars are a "hoot" to drive.  I wish I had been able to watch 
it.  I understand that these races might be "On Demand" later.

At 08:40 AM 9/27/2009, you wrote:


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From adams910 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 27 16:09:21 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:09:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias wins EP in the rain, laps up to 8th place
Message-ID: <673993c50909271509l75e788ck6a3aacc09c2f1c6f@mail.gmail.com>

Congrats Sam!

-Bob Adams


From adams910 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 27 16:10:10 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:10:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias wins EP in the rain, laps up to 8th place
In-Reply-To: <673993c50909271509l75e788ck6a3aacc09c2f1c6f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <673993c50909271509l75e788ck6a3aacc09c2f1c6f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <673993c50909271510i53d4e249s61c8ca874cecb067@mail.gmail.com>

Correction: 10th place

On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Congrats Sam!
>
> -Bob Adams


From fpspitfire at comcast.net  Sun Sep 27 16:12:36 2009
From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:12:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race
Message-ID: <1968121245.4366411254089556744.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

FOT member and TR6 Driver Sam Halkias just won the E-Prod Run-Offs race! 



Who'd of thought the TR6 was the car of choice in the rain. 



Congrats Sam! 



aaron 

#87 HP Spitfire 1500 


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Sun Sep 27 16:14:37 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:14:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>

FLASH


Sam Halkias just won E Production at the SCCA Runoffs at Road America.

Taking the lead during lap 4, Sam walked off to a significant win in the 
rain-shortened race.

Congratualtions, Sam. You are awesome!

The race was broadcast live on the internet on speedcasttv.com

Speedcast will have the race in its entirety available for on-demand 
viewing in a couple of weeks.

Folks, this was an awesome race and it is SO KOOL that Sam finally got the 
top spot on the podium.

Personally, I cannot tell you how psyched I am to report this.

A-W-E-S-O-M-E

Triumph RULES!!!

rml
Bob Lang
New England Triumphs


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Sep 27 16:29:04 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:29:04 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias wins EP in the rain, laps up to 8th place
Message-ID: <cde.54536c0c.37f14130@aol.com>

Good news indeed!  Congratulations Sam!
 
It is a shame about Sargis...
 
 
In a message dated 9/27/2009 3:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
adams910 at gmail.com writes:

Correction: 10th place

On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Bob  Adams <adams910 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Congrats  Sam!
>
> -Bob  Adams
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From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net  Sun Sep 27 16:58:04 2009
From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (CHIP COLLINGWOOD)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:58:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FW: Runoffs
Message-ID: <380-22009902722584912@earthlink.net>

Chip Collingwood
69 TR6 Eprod
71 2dr 510 Vintage 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: CHIP COLLINGWOOD 
To: Sam Halkias
Sent: 9/27/2009 6:56:41 PM 
Subject: Runoffs


Sam...

WOW!!!
what a drive...watched all on speedcast tv...wish I could be there getting wet and partying w/ you

Congratulations...you deserve it

Give me a call when you get the time 


Chip Collingwood
69 TR6 Eprod
71 2dr 510 Vintage 


From spyderweb at uwalumni.com  Sun Sep 27 17:05:40 2009
From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (Jim Hill)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:05:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>

Bob Lang wrote:

> FLASH
> Sam Halkias just won E Production at the SCCA Runoffs at Road America.

> Triumph Rules!

Indeed. A forty-year old Triumph wins the National Run-Off in
E-Production?!?

When I went to my firsst SCCA race in 1958, I sure don't recall any races
being won by cars built in 1918   :-)

Congratulations to Sam & the TR6,

Jim Hill


From fasttrs at mindspring.com  Sun Sep 27 17:36:24 2009
From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:36:24 -0600
Subject: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race
In-Reply-To: <1968121245.4366411254089556744.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <E1Ms3Hs-0001cm-Bn@elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Yeah, he brought a knife to a gun fight but they underestimated the skill
behind the knife! Congratulations Big Sam you're my Hero!

Mike
#28 EP TR6
 

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Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:13 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race

FOT member and TR6 Driver Sam Halkias just won the E-Prod Run-Offs race! 



Who'd of thought the TR6 was the car of choice in the rain. 



Congrats Sam! 



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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sun Sep 27 18:13:43 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:13:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
	<3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <876CF187-9365-4878-9A81-EC417FDDFF65@earthlink.net>

Well put.
Congrats Sam!!

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Sep 27, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Jim Hill wrote:

> Bob Lang wrote:
>
>> FLASH
>> Sam Halkias just won E Production at the SCCA Runoffs at Road  
>> America.
>
>> Triumph Rules!
>
> Indeed. A forty-year old Triumph wins the National Run-Off in
> E-Production?!?
>
> When I went to my firsst SCCA race in 1958, I sure don't recall any  
> races
> being won by cars built in 1918   :-)
>
> Congratulations to Sam & the TR6,
>
> Jim Hill
>
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From jaxonracing at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 27 18:36:48 2009
From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (jaxonracing at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 00:36:48 +0000
Subject: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race
Message-ID: <mailman.1.1638252545.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

Ha... In sams interview he said he brought a gun to a knife fight.... Which I thought was the quote in reverse but I think he knew all along he was gonna be kicking some ....on his way to the championship... What a weekend... Congratulations to sam for a great drive... It was unbelievable to watch 
------Original Message------
From: Mike Munson
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: fpspitfire at comcast.net
To: fot at autox.team.net
To: 'Sam Halkias'
Subject: Re: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race
Sent: Sep 27, 2009 7:36 PM

Yeah, he brought a knife to a gun fight but they underestimated the skill
behind the knife! Congratulations Big Sam you're my Hero!

Mike
#28 EP TR6
 

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Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:13 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race

FOT member and TR6 Driver Sam Halkias just won the E-Prod Run-Offs race! 



Who'd of thought the TR6 was the car of choice in the rain. 



Congrats Sam! 



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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Sep 27 19:09:03 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:09:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu><3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <BC3AC94B38894EE39BDAFC1A8F04D626@Bud>

FANTASTIC!...They just can't keep em' down!
Wooohoo!
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
To: "Jim Hill" <spyderweb at uwalumni.com>
Cc: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS


> Well put.
> Congrats Sam!!
> 
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
> On Sep 27, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Jim Hill wrote:
> 
>> Bob Lang wrote:
>>
>>> FLASH
>>> Sam Halkias just won E Production at the SCCA Runoffs at Road  
>>> America.
>>
>>> Triumph Rules!
>>
>> Indeed. A forty-year old Triumph wins the National Run-Off in
>> E-Production?!?
>>
>> When I went to my firsst SCCA race in 1958, I sure don't recall any  
>> races
>> being won by cars built in 1918   :-)
>>
>> Congratulations to Sam & the TR6,
>>
>> Jim Hill
>>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Sep 27 19:38:32 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:38:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race
References: <20090928012259.288A4187895@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <7150086E23694DFCBDB3D93F720FEAD4@Bud>

This is Wonderful Wonderful News!..Good Job Sam...and Thanks for what you 
have done...
Racer Bud
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From: <jaxonracing at yahoo.com>
To: "Mike Munson" <fasttrs at mindspring.com>; <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>; 
<fpspitfire at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>; "'SamHalkias'" 
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Subject: Re: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race


> Ha... In sams interview he said he brought a gun to a knife fight.... 
> Which I thought was the quote in reverse but I think he knew all along he 
> was gonna be kicking some ....on his way to the championship... What a 
> weekend... Congratulations to sam for a great drive... It was unbelievable 
> to watch
> ------Original Message------
> From: Mike Munson
> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> To: fpspitfire at comcast.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> To: 'Sam Halkias'
> Subject: Re: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race
> Sent: Sep 27, 2009 7:36 PM
>
> Yeah, he brought a knife to a gun fight but they underestimated the skill
> behind the knife! Congratulations Big Sam you're my Hero!
>
> Mike
> #28 EP TR6
>
>
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>
> FOT member and TR6 Driver Sam Halkias just won the E-Prod Run-Offs race!
>
>
>
> Who'd of thought the TR6 was the car of choice in the rain.
>
>
>
> Congrats Sam!
>
>
>
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>
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From rjl at gt-classics.com  Sun Sep 27 20:48:12 2009
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:48:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race
In-Reply-To: <E1Ms3Hs-0001cm-Bn@elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <1968121245.4366411254089556744.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Congratulations Sam!  That's seriously cool!

John

At 07:36 PM 9/27/2009, Mike Munson wrote:
>Yeah, he brought a knife to a gun fight but they underestimated the skill
>behind the knife! Congratulations Big Sam you're my Hero!
>
>Mike
>#28 EP TR6
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:13 PM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] EP Runoffs Race
>
>FOT member and TR6 Driver Sam Halkias just won the E-Prod Run-Offs race!
>
>
>
>Who'd of thought the TR6 was the car of choice in the rain.
>
>
>
>Congrats Sam!
>
>
>
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From mlbruner53 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 28 07:49:15 2009
From: mlbruner53 at yahoo.com (Michael Bruner)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 06:49:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] VARA does Vegas or VIVA Las VARA?
In-Reply-To: <be8.5c653363.37f0d4c2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <910339.60234.qm@web54108.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I'll be there Friday Morning ish, not running Friday just beating the
traffic.

Mike Bruner
TR4A - #612
Blacksmith Racing

--- On Sun, 9/27/09, Gt6steve at aol.com <Gt6steve at aol.com> wrote:


From: Gt6steve at aol.com <Gt6steve at aol.com>
Subject: [Fot] VARA does Vegas or VIVA Las VARA?
To: FOT at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 7:46 AM


Amici,

Who's coming to the Vegas race in a couple weeks?  Heard any rumors on  the
expected turnout?

When arriving?  Should we try for the usual spots?

Steve
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From john at race-dogs.com  Mon Sep 28 10:16:09 2009
From: john at race-dogs.com (John W)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:16:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VARA does Vegas or VIVA Las VARA?
References: <910339.60234.qm@web54108.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000301ca4056$fd830df0$800101df@jawsxp>

We'll be there for Half Day test Friday-

JW

John W.
Spitfire #892 DP
240z CP
----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: Re: [Fot] VARA does Vegas or VIVA Las VARA?


> I'll be there Friday Morning ish, not running Friday just beating the
> traffic.
>
> Mike Bruner
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> Subject: [Fot] VARA does Vegas or VIVA Las VARA?
> To: FOT at autox.team.net
> Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 7:46 AM
>
>
> Amici,
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> Who's coming to the Vegas race in a couple weeks?  Heard any rumors on 
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Sep 28 10:33:47 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:33:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <876CF187-9365-4878-9A81-EC417FDDFF65@earthlink.net>
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Watching Sam Halkias on the podium was worth the trip to ROAD AMERICA, by itself.



If they dont crop it out there is a large FOT decal on the podiun with Sam. I got there before the officials did, and did some rearranging..........



There was some decision making at its best by SAM and his CREW. Attention to detail and never putting a wheel in the wrong place.



I hope Sam will have the time to say a few words to the FOT.



Hot wheels just came out with a 'competition' TR6. It should have been done in white with an '83'.



Joe A


-----Original Message-----
From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
To: Jim Hill <spyderweb at uwalumni.com>
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Sep 27, 2009 7:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS



Well put.?
Congrats Sam!!?
?
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer?
TR4 #314?
Albuquerque NM?
On Sep 27, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Jim Hill wrote:?
?
> Bob Lang wrote:?
>?
>> FLASH?
>> Sam Halkias just won E Production at the SCCA Runoffs at Road >> America.?
>?
>> Triumph Rules!?
>?
> Indeed. A forty-year old Triumph wins the National Run-Off in?
> E-Production?!??
>?
> When I went to my firsst SCCA race in 1958, I sure don't recall any > races?
> being won by cars built in 1918 :-)?
>?
> Congratulations to Sam & the TR6,?
>?
> Jim Hill?
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 28 10:50:10 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:50:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <8CC0E709639F5C7-18D8-1FCE3@webmail-d068.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <29202.28470.qm@web57611.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hey Joe, were you ever in marketing?
 
HInd sight being much better than my normal vision, I'm kicking myself for not
going to Road America yesterday.  To have seen Sam and the #83 take the
checker would have been well worth getting wet.
 
Well done Mr. Halkias and crew!

--- On Mon, 9/28/09, n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:



Watching Sam Halkias on the podium was worth the trip to ROAD AMERICA, by
itself.

If they dont crop it out there is a large FOT decal on the podiun with Sam. I
got there before the officials did, and did some rearranging..........


From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Sep 28 11:08:39 2009
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:08:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <001a01ca405e$53af6eb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>

Sam,

Congrats on the great drive.   You were so smooth and
quick thru turn 3 where i was  watching!
 How great to see a TR win one!

art de armond
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert M. Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
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Cc: <net at lists/mv.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:14 PM
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS


> FLASH
>
>
> Sam Halkias just won E Production at the SCCA Runoffs at Road America.
>
> Taking the lead during lap 4, Sam walked off to a significant win in the 
> rain-shortened race.
>
> Congratualtions, Sam. You are awesome!
>
> The race was broadcast live on the internet on speedcasttv.com
>
> Speedcast will have the race in its entirety available for on-demand 
> viewing in a couple of weeks.
>
> Folks, this was an awesome race and it is SO KOOL that Sam finally got the 
> top spot on the podium.
>
> Personally, I cannot tell you how psyched I am to report this.
>
> A-W-E-S-O-M-E
>
> Triumph RULES!!!
>
> rml
> Bob Lang
> New England Triumphs
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 28 13:01:33 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:01:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <001a01ca405e$53af6eb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
	<001a01ca405e$53af6eb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <673993c50909281201n29f9b9ddm4bc0e28a4d08e45c@mail.gmail.com>

Here are the official results..

http://scca.com/documents/resultfiles/13506_EP_result_final.pdf


From atr6racer at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 28 14:24:48 2009
From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:24:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <8CC0E709639F5C7-18D8-1FCE3@webmail-d068.sysops.aol.com>
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	<876CF187-9365-4878-9A81-EC417FDDFF65@earthlink.net> 
Message-ID: <SNT119-W2894600B2536367905347FF9D60@phx.gbl>

Joe and everyone,



    I just got home after a long post race teardown and a chat with the
Stewards for what turned out to be nothing. I left the track at 9:40 CT last
night, drove 4 hours to somewhere in Indiana and took a nap in my buddy's
motorhome, got up around 9Am and made the balance of the trip back to
Columbus. It just has not sunk in yet. It does feel good! And I did mean to
say I brought a "Gun" to a "Knife" fight. it was a coin flip for choice of
tires, we went with rains with the help of Jim Stouffer with a laptop computer
with live radar, Jack Madison, Gary Martz, Matthew Miller and Mat Carson who
did the tire change on the false grid just before we rolled off for the pace
lap. Without Friends, this sport would be boring! Thanks all!



Sam

> To: Lunkercars at earthlink.net; spyderweb at uwalumni.com
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:33:47 -0400
> From: n197tr4 at cs.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
>
> Watching Sam Halkias on the podium was worth the trip to ROAD AMERICA, by
itself.
>
>
>
> If they dont crop it out there is a large FOT decal on the podiun with Sam.
I got there before the officials did, and did some rearranging..........
>
>
>
> There was some decision making at its best by SAM and his CREW. Attention to
detail and never putting a wheel in the wrong place.
>
>
>
> I hope Sam will have the time to say a few words to the FOT.
>
>
>
> Hot wheels just came out with a 'competition' TR6. It should have been done
in white with an '83'.
>
>
>
> Joe A
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
> To: Jim Hill <spyderweb at uwalumni.com>
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sun, Sep 27, 2009 7:13 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
>
>
>
> Well put.?
> Congrats Sam!!?
> ?
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer?
> TR4 #314?
> Albuquerque NM?
> On Sep 27, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Jim Hill wrote:?
> ?
> > Bob Lang wrote:?
> >?
> >> FLASH?
> >> Sam Halkias just won E Production at the SCCA Runoffs at Road >>
America.?
> >?
> >> Triumph Rules!?
> >?
> > Indeed. A forty-year old Triumph wins the National Run-Off in?
> > E-Production?!??
> >?
> > When I went to my firsst SCCA race in 1958, I sure don't recall any >
races?
> > being won by cars built in 1918 :-)?
> >?
> > Congratulations to Sam & the TR6,?
> >?
> > Jim Hill?
> >?
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From spyderweb at uwalumni.com  Mon Sep 28 14:37:06 2009
From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (Jim Hill)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:37:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <673993c50909281201n29f9b9ddm4bc0e28a4d08e45c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
	<001a01ca405e$53af6eb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<673993c50909281201n29f9b9ddm4bc0e28a4d08e45c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3afbecf40909281337i791cb9b5j9cb69ee4504ae403@mail.gmail.com>

Unfortunately, the three Spits in F-Prod didn't fare as well this year, with
only Chris Patrick making it past the second lap to finish 16th -- although
the Steve Sargis 1500 Spitfire had started on the pole.

http://scca.com/documents/resultfiles/13506_FP_result_final.pdf

JR Hill


From deanesr at uncw.edu  Mon Sep 28 14:43:17 2009
From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:43:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <SNT119-W2894600B2536367905347FF9D60@phx.gbl>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu><3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
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Good Job, we're all proud of you!

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Sam Halkias
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 4:25 PM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; lunkercars at earthlink.net; spyderweb at uwalumni.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS

Joe and everyone,



    I just got home after a long post race teardown and a chat with the
Stewards for what turned out to be nothing. I left the track at 9:40 CT last
night, drove 4 hours to somewhere in Indiana and took a nap in my buddy's
motorhome, got up around 9Am and made the balance of the trip back to
Columbus. It just has not sunk in yet. It does feel good! And I did mean to
say I brought a "Gun" to a "Knife" fight. it was a coin flip for choice of
tires, we went with rains with the help of Jim Stouffer with a laptop
computer
with live radar, Jack Madison, Gary Martz, Matthew Miller and Mat Carson who
did the tire change on the false grid just before we rolled off for the pace
lap. Without Friends, this sport would be boring! Thanks all!



Sam

> To: Lunkercars at earthlink.net; spyderweb at uwalumni.com
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:33:47 -0400
> From: n197tr4 at cs.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
>
> Watching Sam Halkias on the podium was worth the trip to ROAD AMERICA, by
itself.
>
>
>
> If they dont crop it out there is a large FOT decal on the podiun with Sam.
I got there before the officials did, and did some rearranging..........
>
>
>
> There was some decision making at its best by SAM and his CREW. Attention
to
detail and never putting a wheel in the wrong place.
>
>
>
> I hope Sam will have the time to say a few words to the FOT.
>
>
>
> Hot wheels just came out with a 'competition' TR6. It should have been done
in white with an '83'.
>
>
>
> Joe A
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
> To: Jim Hill <spyderweb at uwalumni.com>
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sun, Sep 27, 2009 7:13 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
>
>
>
> Well put.?
> Congrats Sam!!?
> ?
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer?
> TR4 #314?
> Albuquerque NM?
> On Sep 27, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Jim Hill wrote:?
> ?
> > Bob Lang wrote:?
> >?
> >> FLASH?
> >> Sam Halkias just won E Production at the SCCA Runoffs at Road >>
America.?
> >?
> >> Triumph Rules!?
> >?
> > Indeed. A forty-year old Triumph wins the National Run-Off in?
> > E-Production?!??
> >?
> > When I went to my firsst SCCA race in 1958, I sure don't recall any >
races?
> > being won by cars built in 1918 :-)?
> >?
> > Congratulations to Sam & the TR6,?
> >?
> > Jim Hill?
> >?
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> >?
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Sep 28 15:54:14 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:54:14 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife race - Eifelrennen
In-Reply-To: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E0945178CA63731@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu><3afbecf40909271605j5748c8bev5f6c3bd5f3013093@mail.gmail.com>
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A little report from the Eifelrace:

At Thursday all arrived at the trackside. All, that means the CSCC and the
Triumph Competition drivers.
There was a little rain that got less towards evening. The weather forecast
did show sunny weather.
All did pass the technical scruteneering.
I was part of the Red Baron Team around Jo Willams. He and his mechanics
took care for our cars.
The team consisted out of 4 cars and drivers:
Stephan Schamschula - TR6 PI
Mark Richards - TR7 V8 3.9L
K.P. Mutschler / U. Markovac - TR4
Christian Marx - TR4

After rising the big truck tent and having some beer for the night Jo, Mark
and me went into our sleeping bags in the truck for the night. I never had
snoring in stereo but my sleep mates let me share this so I could forget
about sleeping with that much noise.
The next morning took long to come. But the mood of the group was excellent.
Mark was so excited to get finally on the track. 

At Friday morning around 10.00am was the first practice session. We entered
track. After a warming up lap on the GP track the order was "pedal to the
metal" and here we go.
After a 3/4 lap on the GP track we entered the exit to the Nordschleife. Wow
- diving down to the Hatzenbach following the fast sweepers, then the track
opens to the main part and the lots of full throttle on almost straights and
the pleasant to drive corners with jumps and bumps.

Fastest of the Team Red Baron was Mark Richards. He did a great ride in his
TR7 V8. Me was doing okay. Max speed of my car was 129 mph. Mark did a solid
11:20  and me a low 11:30.

At Saturday the practice was at 8:30. Very early. Cold tires, some fog at
some stages, and a little wet through the fogging. So the laptimes went down
compared with the Friday run.
After 3 laps the engine heated up very quickly. The others had no trouble
but were slower than on Friday.
We worked on the cooling system but didn't changed the head gasket. A
failure as been seen on the next day.

Sunday - race day.
We all gridded on the start / finish straight. About 150 cars lined up for
the race.
Mark and me stood side by side. The flags were waved and the field moved for
the information lap, a full lap of 25 km length. During this lap the engine
went hot again and while the start happened I directly drove into the
pitlane and stopped at the team pit. A lot of water was gone, the thermostat
was removed, some other things they tried after I several times came in from
a short GP track lap. So I ended up the race stranded somewhere on the
track.

Mark did a wonderful job. He managed to win the group and class after the
leading Corvette retired.
The other TR4 with K.P. Mutschler / U. Markovac won their class and Stephan
Schamschula won his class.

After all a successful weekend with jolly good fun, some party and price
giving.

I could bet that the CSCC will return next year to have another go.

Cheers
Chris


From dave at microworks.net  Mon Sep 28 16:43:22 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:43:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
Message-ID: <20090928224359.EC2AD187651@autox.team.net>

Nice write-up about the race and a photo of the car in the rain

http://www.racingwire.info/index.php/club-racing/301-scca-club-21st-time-is-a-charm-for-halkias-in-e-production


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon Sep 28 17:16:30 2009
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:16:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <20090928224359.EC2AD187651@autox.team.net>
References: <20090928224359.EC2AD187651@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000801ca4091$b706c430$25144c90$@racer@comcast.net>

Sam's win reminds one of another Triumph racer who waited years to finally
win an SCCA Championship - Hardy Prentice.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of David W. Riddle
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 3:43 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS

Nice write-up about the race and a photo of the car in the rain

http://www.racingwire.info/index.php/club-racing/301-scca-club-21st-time-is-
a-charm-for-halkias-in-e-production
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From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net  Mon Sep 28 19:48:04 2009
From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:48:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] NewsFlash:Sports car wins SCCA EP
Message-ID: <4AC16754.5090305@cyberspeedway.net>

Something strange has happened in a Sports Car Club of America
production car national championship. It seems that a traditional sports
car has won among a field of mostly sedans. Did the earth's axis shift? 
Maybe it's the lack of sunspots.

Greg Lund


From bownes at seiri.com  Mon Sep 28 20:15:49 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:15:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] NewsFlash:Sports car wins SCCA EP
In-Reply-To: <4AC16754.5090305@cyberspeedway.net>
References: <4AC16754.5090305@cyberspeedway.net>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330909281915p15db4665n32cd21702673ada3@mail.gmail.com>

I put it to the wisdom of a great driver choosing a great car.

Sometimes I really miss racing a production car....

Bob
76 TR6
73 TR6
68 GT-6
73 GT-6
98 Mysterian FV :)



On 9/28/09, greg <gtlund at cyberspeedway.net> wrote:
> Something strange has happened in a Sports Car Club of America
> production car national championship. It seems that a traditional sports
> car has won among a field of mostly sedans. Did the earth's axis shift?
> Maybe it's the lack of sunspots.
>
> Greg Lund
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Sep 28 20:33:17 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:33:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] NewsFlash:Sports car wins SCCA EP
References: <4AC16754.5090305@cyberspeedway.net>
Message-ID: <780486BFF835425B96C1DC224ACB91E3@Bud>

I hope the Earth's axis didn't shift..I live in a Coastal State(:>)
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "greg" <gtlund at cyberspeedway.net>
To: "FOT LIST" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 6:48 PM
Subject: [Fot] NewsFlash:Sports car wins SCCA EP


> Something strange has happened in a Sports Car Club of America
> production car national championship. It seems that a traditional sports
> car has won among a field of mostly sedans. Did the earth's axis shift? 
> Maybe it's the lack of sunspots.
> 
> Greg Lund
> 
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From dave at microworks.net  Mon Sep 28 20:45:34 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:45:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pixs from Portland
Message-ID: <20090929024638.CE4DC18786C@autox.team.net>

I just published the new issue of our Newsletter.  One of our 
members, Jim Bauder, was up in Portland for the races.

During his extended roadtrip in his restored TR-250 he has been 
submitting dispatches and photos that I have been putting in our 
newsletter.  He got some nice photos.  Thought you guys might like to see them.

The new issue is here: http://www.dctra.org/News/Oct2009.pdf

Archive going back to 2003: http://www.dctra.org/?page_id=32


From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Sep 28 21:12:18 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:12:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] IT'S A GREAT LIFE!..Thanks Gang
Message-ID: <ADF7740DB5C049ABA1DA7FC745268E63@Bud>

Before I head off to my Enchiladas/Manicotti(I forgot to buy Enchilada Sauce
so I'm using Modified Spaghetti Sauce)....Thanks to all of you for your
wonderful communication..The FOT is a Very Helpful Venue...Full of
Friends...The tech stuff is Terrific....The Friendship goes Waaay Beyond
That..I Appeciate It Greatly
Keep Going Gang!
Racer Bud


From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Sep 28 22:00:04 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:00:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: CSRG Thunderhill Race HOTEL ROOM STUFF HURRY UP!
Message-ID: <6AA0123A7B8F47C99B9D2A30A0DA2E5A@Bud>

Hi Gang....
For those of you racing at Thunderhill on Halloween Weekend...This is also the
Opening weekend of Pheasant Season, so Hotel Rooms are becoming in short
Supply...and...The Best Western Golden Pheasant is now a Travelodge(same place
and same Mexican Restaurant)..The DIRECT PHONE # IS 530 934-4603..
Racer Bud


From gasket.works at verizon.net  Mon Sep 28 22:54:54 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:54:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
	<001a01ca405e$53af6eb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <002c01ca40c0$fe7c2dd0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

Now my son has some motivation to get his TR6 together and be that "Padewan 
Lerner".
Mordy

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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 29 07:02:59 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 06:02:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] NewsFlash:Sports car wins SCCA EP
In-Reply-To: <4AC16754.5090305@cyberspeedway.net>
Message-ID: <430885.719.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Nothing so scientific, just the cream rising to the top.

--- On Mon, 9/28/09, greg <gtlund at cyberspeedway.net> wrote:


From: greg <gtlund at cyberspeedway.net>
Subject: [Fot] NewsFlash:Sports car wins SCCA EP
To: "FOT LIST" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 8:48 PM


Something strange has happened in a Sports Car Club of America
production car national championship. It seems that a traditional sports
car has won among a field of mostly sedans. Did the earth's axis shift? Maybe it's the lack of sunspots.

Greg Lund
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From triosan at gmail.com  Tue Sep 29 08:18:16 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:18:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <002c01ca40c0$fe7c2dd0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
	<001a01ca405e$53af6eb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<002c01ca40c0$fe7c2dd0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0909290718s6887723et6ec79cdf7d0d6a37@mail.gmail.com>

Just

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:54 PM, MORDY DUNST <gasket.works at verizon.net>
wrote:
> Now my son has some motivation to get his TR6 together and be that "Padewan
> Lerner".

Great job Sam -- did not know you had spent so much time up here in
the Pacific Northwest where a dry track is a blessing.

 Mordy, Be sure you know where you want to run it -- no way Sam's TR6
could run in Vintage.  Kas would have loved the TVR independent rear
end or the 4 wheel vented disks, fender flairs, larger diameter and
width tires, 5 speed tranny [and the triple webers and Lord knows what
else].

My '69 TR6 is built to the '69 GCR's -- does not even have an air dam.
 Not knocking you Sam, just pointing out it is not a TR6 as we knew
them -- but then I doubt that any of the Miata's in the race resemble
their street/showroom stock brethren.  It is hard enough keeping my
car running --cannot imagine how much work it takes to make that
championship car running in top form.

Chuck


> Mordy
>
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> 626.358.1616 ph
> 626.628.3777 fx
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Sep 29 08:45:11 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:45:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife race - Eifelrennen
Message-ID: <bc1.5ab40cbd.37f37777@aol.com>

In a message dated 09/28/2009 5:05:01 PM Central Daylight Time, 
tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:


> After rising the big truck tent and having some beer for the night Jo, 
> Mark
> and me went into our sleeping bags in the truck for the night. I never had
> snoring in stereo but my sleep mates let me share this so I could forget
> about sleeping with that much noise.  The next morning took long to come. 
> But the mood of the group was excellent.  Mark was so excited to get 
> finally on the track. 
> 
Chris...
There's a tricky fix for that snoring problem.  Get up out of that sleeping 
bag, and very quickly kiss each of them right on the lips.  Then get back 
into your sleeping bag (zip it up tightly).  I'll guarantee you...your mates 
will stay awake the rest of the night, with their eyes wide open...watching 
you.  You can sleep like a baby.
Bill (Damdinger)


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Sep 29 08:56:55 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:56:55 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife race - Eifelrennen
In-Reply-To: <bc1.5ab40cbd.37f37777@aol.com>
References: <bc1.5ab40cbd.37f37777@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004901ca4115$18f68c10$4ae3a430$@com>

Hi Bill,

Ill wait for you, till we meet at the trackside somewhere, then Ill
try..please get shaved before.

Cheers
Chris

Von: BillDentin at aol.com [mailto:BillDentin at aol.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. September 2009 16:45
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nordschleife race - Eifelrennen

In a message dated 09/28/2009 5:05:01 PM Central Daylight Time,
tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:




After rising the big truck tent and having some beer for the night Jo, Mark
and me went into our sleeping bags in the truck for the night. I never had
snoring in stereo but my sleep mates let me share this so I could forget
about sleeping with that much noise.  The next morning took long to come.
But the mood of the group was excellent.  Mark was so excited to get finally
on the track.

Chris...
There's a tricky fix for that snoring problem.  Get up out of that sleeping
bag, and very quickly kiss each of them right on the lips.  Then get back
into your sleeping bag (zip it up tightly).  I'll guarantee you...your mates
will stay awake the rest of the night, with their eyes wide open...watching
you.  You can sleep like a baby.
Bill (Damdinger)


From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Sep 29 09:03:08 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:03:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Sam's TR-6
Message-ID: <3CA98669F619405ABD5434EAD1D0D12D@KasPC>

Sam's car is a mixture of Triumph and other parts for certain. I have done a
long story on his car for the book I am working on.  Some of the things he has
done and how he did them are really brilliant. His competition has had the
advantage of over 30 years modern technology  and study (make that comparison
in engines) and who also have the SCCA regulations in their hands.

The SCCA is the party that determines the regulations, and all Sam has done is
bring a really nice car up to the standard that these regulations seem to
admire.

It is truly wonderful to see Sam rewarded for his hard work, great driving and
perseverance over the years to be the CHAMPION. In addition, he won it in
conditions where a cool head takes precedence over modern car engineering. It
is indeed a pleasure to know Sam.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Kas Kastner.vcf]


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Sep 29 09:12:19 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:12:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pixs from Portland
References: <20090929024638.CE4DC18786C@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4FBB43C5698B4B6AB19A0DF7FE69BBB3@Charly>

I have some pictures from Portland to share as well.  If anyone has some I 
can add, feel free to forward them to me.
Thanks,
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

http://uploadingit.com/f/JM5IWVBYMCWY2DYG


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 7:45 PM
Subject: [Fot] Pixs from Portland


>I just published the new issue of our Newsletter.  One of our members, Jim 
>Bauder, was up in Portland for the races.
>
> During his extended roadtrip in his restored TR-250 he has been submitting 
> dispatches and photos that I have been putting in our newsletter.  He got 
> some nice photos.  Thought you guys might like to see them.
>
> The new issue is here: http://www.dctra.org/News/Oct2009.pdf
>
> Archive going back to 2003: http://www.dctra.org/?page_id=32
>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Sep 29 09:48:08 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:48:08 +0200
Subject: [Fot]  Nordschleife race - Eifelrennen [video]
Message-ID: <005b01ca411c$3f70b080$be521180$@com>

Maybe there might be interrest in a video of one lap:
 
http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5386911069380752722 
 
(might need a few minutes to appear)
 
Cheers
Chris 


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue Sep 29 09:51:38 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:51:38 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Sam's TR-6
Message-ID: <bdf.5c83e8a5.37f3870a@cs.com>

Kas,

I am hoping that the organizers of the next Kastner Cup will be able to 
invite Sam to Heartland Park next August and that he will be able to join us.

This would be quite special........

Joe A

> Sam's car is a mixture of Triumph and other parts for certain. I have 
> done a
> long story on his car for the book I am working on.  Some of the things he 
> has
> done and how he did them are really brilliant. His competition has had the
> advantage of over 30 years modern technology  and study (make that 
> comparison
> in engines) and who also have the SCCA regulations in their hands.
> 
> The SCCA is the party that determines the regulations, and all Sam has 
> done is
> bring a really nice car up to the standard that these regulations seem to
> admire.
> 
> It is truly wonderful to see Sam rewarded for his hard work, great driving 
> and
> perseverance over the years to be the CHAMPION. In addition, he won it in
> conditions where a cool head takes precedence over modern car engineering. 
> It
> is indeed a pleasure to know Sam.
> 
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name 
> of Kas Kastner.vcf]


From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Tue Sep 29 10:51:09 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:51:09 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Sam's TR-6
Message-ID: <d47.46dcb87a.37f394fd@aol.com>

All we need to have is his contact information and he will receive a  
special invite.
 
Gary


From Catpusher at aol.com  Tue Sep 29 11:10:46 2009
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:10:46 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Sam did warn them!
Message-ID: <d1f.4a7988ee.37f39996@aol.com>

When your long time listed sponsor is a boat marina, who could be  
surprised that Sam would be brilliant in the wet! 
 Not that his many years of dedicated effort were a secret as  well.
 
Spot on Sam
 
Hardy


From gasket.works at verizon.net  Tue Sep 29 11:11:42 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works USA)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:11:42 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Sam's TR-6
Message-ID: <2049505336.58925.1254244302304.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net>



From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Tue Sep 29 12:57:23 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:57:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS
In-Reply-To: <002c01ca40c0$fe7c2dd0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0909271809190.17778@isis.mit.edu>
	<001a01ca405e$53af6eb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<002c01ca40c0$fe7c2dd0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0613CA4DAB@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

I had no idea what Mordy was referencing. From the Wiki-wackos:

Jedi Padawan/Apprentice: A Youngling that successfully completes their
respective level of training undergoes Padawan apprentice training under the
tutelage of a Jedi Knight or Jedi Master. As a rite of passage and the final
test before the trials to knighthood, Padawans must build their own
lightsabers. In the Old Republic, male Human Padawans usually wore braids in
their hair that were removed upon attaining knighthood.

Therefore I see why the Mordy the younger must build his own TR6. We await the
color choice and unique operation of the cut-off/on switch. I assume he wears
a pony-tail. There is no question about Mordy's Master status.


Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of MORDY DUNST
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:55 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH RULES EP AT SCCA RUNOFFS

Now my son has some motivation to get his TR6 together and be that "Padewan
Lerner".
Mordy

M.N.Dunst
Gasket Works USA, LLC
www.Headgasket.com
626.358.1616 ph
626.628.3777 fx

Triple R Munitions, Inc.
Class 6  Certified F.F.L.
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Tue Sep 29 13:07:35 2009
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:07:35 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife race - Eifelrennen [video]
Message-ID: <20090929.130736.5576.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Chris,
That was fun. I also enjoyed SPA, but lost that link. You get to play in
very cool places!
Thanks,
Bill
 
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:48:08 +0200 "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
writes:
> Maybe there might be interrest in a video of one lap:
>  
> http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5386911069380752722 
>  
> (might need a few minutes to appear)
>  
> Cheers
> Chris 
> 
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From dave at microworks.net  Tue Sep 29 17:57:33 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:57:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] This hurt...
Message-ID: <20090929235852.20F41187645@autox.team.net>

	Last night I just finished publishing the new issue of our Triumph 
Club's newsletter (has some nice shots of the races in Portland last month)

http://www.dctra.org/News/Oct2009.pdf

	This afternoon I opened a new Adobe InDesign file to start laying 
out the November issue - that way I can add content across the month 
rather than try to put the whole thing together in one go.

	Anyway, Looking for some content to put on the "Funnies" page I came 
across this list.

http://www.geocities.com/pontiacgto1974/racer.html

	The last item on the list really hurt. "After you tell your wife 
where you'd like to go on your vacation she answers: "Why... is there 
a race there?"  That one hurt!  Just this past weekend I told my wife 
that next year we were going to take a vacation to return to Korea 
where we lived for the first few years of our Marriage.  The fact the 
FIA had announced that very same day that Korea was being added to 
the 2010 F1 Season schedule had NOTHING to do with these vacation plans.

	Hopefully enough years have passed that the my Passport won't flag 
me to become a "guest of the state" for espionage which caused us to 
leave there in the first place!


From quicktr4 at comcast.net  Tue Sep 29 23:25:08 2009
From: quicktr4 at comcast.net (quicktr4)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:25:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] tws part 2
References: <000001ca3cce$a8e240d0$6401a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <27C2647BB64D49FDB8F5E8C86B5FC3E9@quickfure2vk6w>

trany mount is broken been there!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:22 PM
Subject: [Fot] tws part 2


> Part 2
> 
> New head gasket installed, I had an absolute blast following Bob &
> Andrew around Sunday morning (pic below).  I had a strange noise coming
> from the rear end one lap after the picture was taken. At the end of the
> back straight I pitched it hard into turn 7 and it sounded like the
> drive shaft had let go and was bouncing around.  I pulled in to check
> things out.  When I drained the diff fluid, it was pretty shinny but non
> metallic.  This is a welded diff so I am not too concerned about fine
> brass bits in the diff.  Should I be?
> 
> Dad, Don Couch, and all the other Kramers were watching at the Carousel
> as Bob, I, and Andrew came around the Carousel nose to tail.  I think
> this was the point at which Dad found his confidence.  Watching Bob
> pitch his car around the track let him see what the car could do.  For
> the rest of Sunday, Dad was swapping positions with a 914.  At the end
> of his sessions he would come in with a very big grin.  I know he is
> hooked now.
> 
> I filled the diff in the 3 and ran again in the afternoon with group 7.
> The noise reappeared after lap 3, I thought about coming in again but
> decided to just back off a bit and keep driving.  The noise started to
> die down a bit towards the end of the race.  Not sure what is going on
> with this rear end.  This is the second fresh rear end in so many races.
> I'll pull the cover before too long to check things out, again.
> 
> 
> 
> Links below to various picture from the weekend.  I'll send out another
> link for the best picture of the weekend when Don gets us his photos.
> Don??
> 
> This Dad, Bob Blake, learning the Carousel
> http://cafephoto.smugmug.com/CVAR-TWS-9-200/Group-5/Sun-AM2/9709628_XabU
> q/1/656590819_t4fof/Medium
> 
> This is Bob Kramer, AKA spares, borrowing Dad's car for the Sunday am
> Group 7 race showing Andrew and I the line.  
> 
> http://cafephoto.smugmug.com/CVAR-TWS-9-200/Group-7/Sun-AM1/9709692_vJrU
> u/6/656627903_AtRU5/Small
> 
> 
> Kramer really does have an amazing amount of knowledge and spares.
> Along with the head gasket that he loaned me (I don't plan to give that
> one back Bob) I asked for a spare rocker arm adjusting screw/nut and
> push rod.  I had a nut back off which resulted in a stripped screw and
> mushroomed pushrod.  Bob hands me a complete ready to bolt on rocker set
> and a set of 8 push rods, take your pick.  Awesome.  Once again, I would
> not have made it through the weekend without him.
> 
> Thanks for all the help, especially Dad and Bob.  You guys rock.
> 
> Larry,
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> LOVE THE CAM.  
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From GRMTim at aol.com  Wed Sep 30 05:09:41 2009
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:09:41 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Jay Leno video on Group 44 GT6+
Message-ID: <cec.641ab3c3.37f49675@aol.com>

Thought you guys might like to check this out:

http://classicmotorsports.net/forum/classic-cars/triumph-group-44-gt6-featured-on-jay-lenos-garage-/14487/page1/

Tim Suddard
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and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Sep 30 07:57:40 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:57:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Jay Leno video on Group 44 GT6+
In-Reply-To: <cec.641ab3c3.37f49675@aol.com>
References: <cec.641ab3c3.37f49675@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090930135754.8AE27187671@autox.team.net>

Very cool.  Congratulations on doing a video with Jay!

- Tony

At 06:09 AM 9/30/2009, GRMTim at aol.com wrote:
>Thought you guys might like to check this out:
>
>http://classicmotorsports.net/forum/classic-cars/triumph-group-44-gt6-featured-on-jay-lenos-garage-/14487/page1/
>
>Tim Suddard
>Publisher; Classic Motorsports
>and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
>www.classicmotorsports.net
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>Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040


From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Wed Sep 30 10:04:34 2009
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:04:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A timely item from Hot Wheels
Message-ID: <20090930.100434.3148.1.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Just received a new car by Hot Wheels that is very cool in light of the
news from the SCCA Runoffs. Offering #33 of 42 or 190, in the 2009 new
models is a Triumph TR6 (1969). Dressed as a racer, one - seven green
looks quite vintage with number balls, twin stripes front to back, cut
down windscreen, rear and cross braced roll bar (cross braced the wrong
way for its RHD driver position), air dam, nice details, and some sponsor
graphics that my eyes can't resolve. The packaging also sports a nice
illustration and information about the car.
Amazing for Hot Wheels these days, the wheels actually look as if they
belong on the car!
Collect them all!
Bill
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From andre at gt6.ca  Wed Sep 30 10:44:17 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:44:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] A timely item from Hot Wheels
In-Reply-To: <20090930.100434.3148.1.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
References: <20090930.100434.3148.1.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4362ae390909300944g2207bb99od0b3c713ef83740e@mail.gmail.com>

I picked up the #17 TR6 Hot Wheels car the other day from Walmart.

http://temp.justdrive.ca/17-triumphtr6.jpg

Tres cool.

If I had been able to find a 2nd I would have pulled one out of the package :)

A.

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2009/9/30 William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com>:
> Just received a new car by Hot Wheels that is very cool in light of the
> news from the SCCA Runoffs. Offering #33 of 42 or 190, in the 2009 new
> models is a Triumph TR6 (1969). Dressed as a racer, one - seven green
> looks quite vintage with number balls, twin stripes front to back, cut
> down windscreen, rear and cross braced roll bar (cross braced the wrong
> way for its RHD driver position), air dam, nice details, and some sponsor
> graphics that my eyes can't resolve. The packaging also sports a nice
> illustration and information about the car.
> Amazing for Hot Wheels these days, the wheels actually look as if they
> belong on the car!
> Collect them all!
> Bill
> ____________________________________________________________
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Wed Sep 30 13:09:25 2009
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:09:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A timely item from Hot Wheels
Message-ID: <20090930.130925.3148.5.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

I like the white.
Wonder what others are out there?
Bill
 
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:44:17 -0400 Andre Rousseau <andre at gt6.ca> writes:
> I picked up the #17 TR6 Hot Wheels car the other day from Walmart.
> 
> http://temp.justdrive.ca/17-triumphtr6.jpg
> 
> Tres cool.
> 
> If I had been able to find a 2nd I would have pulled one out of the 
> package :)
> 
> A.
> 
> -- 
> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
> '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
> Ottawa, ON, Canada
> 
> 
> 2009/9/30 William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com>:
> > Just received a new car by Hot Wheels that is very cool in light 
> of the
> > news from the SCCA Runoffs. Offering #33 of 42 or 190, in the 2009 
> new
> > models is a Triumph TR6 (1969). Dressed as a racer, one - seven 
> green
> > looks quite vintage with number balls, twin stripes front to back, 
> cut
> > down windscreen, rear and cross braced roll bar (cross braced the 
> wrong
> > way for its RHD driver position), air dam, nice details, and some 
> sponsor
> > graphics that my eyes can't resolve. The packaging also sports a 
> nice
> > illustration and information about the car.
> > Amazing for Hot Wheels these days, the wheels actually look as if 
> they
> > belong on the car!
> > Collect them all!
> > Bill
> > ____________________________________________________________
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From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Sep 30 13:42:52 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:42:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] A timely item from Hot Wheels
In-Reply-To: <20090930.130925.3148.5.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
References: <20090930.130925.3148.5.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330909301242n29a5e70blc7ec8e0519b3aac@mail.gmail.com>

So who is organizing the group buy? :)

Not it!




On 9/30/09, William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com> wrote:
> I like the white.
> Wonder what others are out there?
> Bill
>
> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:44:17 -0400 Andre Rousseau <andre at gt6.ca> writes:
>> I picked up the #17 TR6 Hot Wheels car the other day from Walmart.
>>
>> http://temp.justdrive.ca/17-triumphtr6.jpg
>>
>> Tres cool.
>>
>> If I had been able to find a 2nd I would have pulled one out of the
>> package :)
>>
>> A.
>>
>> --
>> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
>> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
>> '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
>> Ottawa, ON, Canada
>>
>>
>> 2009/9/30 William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com>:
>> > Just received a new car by Hot Wheels that is very cool in light
>> of the
>> > news from the SCCA Runoffs. Offering #33 of 42 or 190, in the 2009
>> new
>> > models is a Triumph TR6 (1969). Dressed as a racer, one - seven
>> green
>> > looks quite vintage with number balls, twin stripes front to back,
>> cut
>> > down windscreen, rear and cross braced roll bar (cross braced the
>> wrong
>> > way for its RHD driver position), air dam, nice details, and some
>> sponsor
>> > graphics that my eyes can't resolve. The packaging also sports a
>> nice
>> > illustration and information about the car.
>> > Amazing for Hot Wheels these days, the wheels actually look as if
>> they
>> > belong on the car!
>> > Collect them all!
>> > Bill
>> > ____________________________________________________________
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>> > Find top-rated local window washers and get multiple free bids
>> today!
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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Wed Sep 30 13:54:30 2009
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:54:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] A timely item from Hot Wheels
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330909301242n29a5e70blc7ec8e0519b3aac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090930.130925.3148.5.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
	<d9f7bd330909301242n29a5e70blc7ec8e0519b3aac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00b501ca4207$d3a60e80$7af22b80$@net>

Robert WILL

Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of robert bownes
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:43 PM
To: William G Rosenbach; andre at gt6.ca; FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] A timely item from Hot Wheels

So who is organizing the group buy? :)

Not it!




On 9/30/09, William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com> wrote:
> I like the white.
> Wonder what others are out there?
> Bill
>
> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:44:17 -0400 Andre Rousseau <andre at gt6.ca> writes:
>> I picked up the #17 TR6 Hot Wheels car the other day from Walmart.
>>
>> http://temp.justdrive.ca/17-triumphtr6.jpg
>>
>> Tres cool.
>>
>> If I had been able to find a 2nd I would have pulled one out of the
>> package :)
>>
>> A.
>>
>> --
>> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
>> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
>> '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
>> Ottawa, ON, Canada
>>
>>
>> 2009/9/30 William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com>:
>> > Just received a new car by Hot Wheels that is very cool in light
>> of the
>> > news from the SCCA Runoffs. Offering #33 of 42 or 190, in the 2009
>> new
>> > models is a Triumph TR6 (1969). Dressed as a racer, one - seven
>> green
>> > looks quite vintage with number balls, twin stripes front to back,
>> cut
>> > down windscreen, rear and cross braced roll bar (cross braced the
>> wrong
>> > way for its RHD driver position), air dam, nice details, and some
>> sponsor
>> > graphics that my eyes can't resolve. The packaging also sports a
>> nice
>> > illustration and information about the car.
>> > Amazing for Hot Wheels these days, the wheels actually look as if
>> they
>> > belong on the car!
>> > Collect them all!
>> > Bill
>> > ____________________________________________________________
>> > Free Window Cleaning Bids
>> > Find top-rated local window washers and get multiple free bids
>> today!
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From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Sep 30 16:32:55 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:32:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] tr6 hot wheels
Message-ID: <0190AFBDDD914182BE6A9A9B82405EB1@Bud>

would someone please send the Hot Wheels TR6 info again?
thanks
RB


From tr6nut at verizon.net  Wed Sep 30 16:38:25 2009
From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:38:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] A timely item from Hot Wheels
In-Reply-To: <20090930.130925.3148.5.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
References: <20090930.130925.3148.5.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4AC3DDE1.2000602@verizon.net>

I was able to find a green one and a silver (white?) one.  They were 
$1.50 + shipping on EBay.

Hugh Barber
Stafford, VA
'73 TR6


William G Rosenbach wrote:
> I like the white.
> Wonder what others are out there?
> Bill


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Wed Sep 30 17:04:52 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:04:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] tr6 hot wheels
References: <0190AFBDDD914182BE6A9A9B82405EB1@Bud>
Message-ID: <FB9F731150344F449B3501AC9D263483@latitudefb1e41>

I picked up 3 silver ones at a Walmart today. I stopped at another Walmart 
and they didn't have any.

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:32 PM
Subject: [Fot] tr6 hot wheels


> would someone please send the Hot Wheels TR6 info again?
> thanks
> RB
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Sep 30 17:31:21 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:31:21 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Jay Leno video on Group 44 GT6+
In-Reply-To: <20090930135754.8AE27187671@autox.team.net>
References: <cec.641ab3c3.37f49675@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <4AC3EA49.7020607@bradakis.com>

Nice segment.

My first Triumph was a '69 GT6+ so I have an attachment to the cars.

One thing I was hoping would be a result of me making it to Portland
was to fire up my enthusiasm for getting some of my projects done.
Hearing the sound of that 2 litre six was certainly an inspiration!

mjb.


From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Sep 30 18:31:32 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:31:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] tr6 hot wheels
References: <0190AFBDDD914182BE6A9A9B82405EB1@Bud>
	<FB9F731150344F449B3501AC9D263483@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <98590E440F3247588E34E5F00E3596CE@Bud>

Thanks Gang...I got 3 on Ebay....
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Kramer" <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
To: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] tr6 hot wheels


>I picked up 3 silver ones at a Walmart today. I stopped at another Walmart 
>and they didn't have any.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:32 PM
> Subject: [Fot] tr6 hot wheels
>
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>> would someone please send the Hot Wheels TR6 info again?
>> thanks
>> RB
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 20:19:17 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:19:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FP Runoffs race from Eric Prill's Super 7
Message-ID: <673993c50909301919q60675a36h8e83cc98332cbcbf@mail.gmail.com>

Thought some of you might enjoy this..
http://vimeo.com/6840209

>From his view, it looks like Sargis tried to push Bryson over, not knowing
Ruck was already there. Three cars using half the track just doesn't work.

Bob


From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Sep 30 21:09:18 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:09:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FP Runoffs race from Eric Prill's Super 7
References: <673993c50909301919q60675a36h8e83cc98332cbcbf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7D2B23D584C142CEAAF908C88ADEC3B0@Bud>

thanks Bob..I enjoyed it a bunch!
Racer bud
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Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:19 PM
Subject: [Fot] FP Runoffs race from Eric Prill's Super 7


> Thought some of you might enjoy this..
> http://vimeo.com/6840209
>
>>From his view, it looks like Sargis tried to push Bryson over, not knowing
> Ruck was already there. Three cars using half the track just doesn't work.
>
> Bob
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