From GRMTim at aol.com  Thu Oct  1 05:57:25 2009
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 07:57:25 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
Message-ID: <c58.523e6b40.37f5f325@aol.com>

Thanks everyone who offered congrats. I
f you thought the car sounded cool in the video, I wish I could have had 
you all with me in the car, coming up the hill into the Corkscrew at the top 
of third gear. It was nearly a religious experience.

That is actually the third video I have done with Leno and I actually did a 
video interview with him for our website a few months back. I have gotten 
to know him pretty well and he is a very real, very decent guy behind the 
camera as well.

At the next FOT event, when we get togther for a few beers remind me to 
tell you the story about him letting me drive his McLaren F1.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040

From andre at gt6.ca  Thu Oct  1 06:00:56 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 08:00:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
In-Reply-To: <c58.523e6b40.37f5f325@aol.com>
References: <c58.523e6b40.37f5f325@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4362ae390910010500j4552eb4xfc10b9951b2e9ee5@mail.gmail.com>

Willing to bet 1/2 the adventure is simply getting into and then out
of the F1's middle seat!

Now if it would stop raining I could get back to work welding.

A.

2009/10/1  <GRMTim at aol.com>:
> Thanks everyone who offered congrats. I
> f you thought the car sounded cool in the video, I wish I could have had
> you all with me in the car, coming up the hill into the Corkscrew at the top
> of third gear. It was nearly a religious experience.
>
> That is actually the third video I have done with Leno and I actually did a
> video interview with him for our website a few months back. I have gotten
> to know him pretty well and he is a very real, very decent guy behind the
> camera as well.
>
> At the next FOT event, when we get togther for a few beers remind me to
> tell you the story about him letting me drive his McLaren F1.
>
> Tim Suddard
> Publisher; Classic Motorsports
> and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
> www.classicmotorsports.net
> www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
> Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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-- 
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
'77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
Ottawa, ON, Canada

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Oct  1 06:54:48 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:54:48 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
In-Reply-To: <c58.523e6b40.37f5f325@aol.com>
References: <c58.523e6b40.37f5f325@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003901ca4296$5ee712d0$1cb53870$@com>

Question:
Why does this car only has 170 hp instead of the 210 hp Kas Kastner did
make?


Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von GRMTim at aol.com
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Oktober 2009 13:57
An: FOT at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video

Thanks everyone who offered congrats. I
f you thought the car sounded cool in the video, I wish I could have had
you all with me in the car, coming up the hill into the Corkscrew at the top

of third gear. It was nearly a religious experience.

That is actually the third video I have done with Leno and I actually did a
video interview with him for our website a few months back. I have gotten
to know him pretty well and he is a very real, very decent guy behind the
camera as well.

At the next FOT event, when we get togther for a few beers remind me to
tell you the story about him letting me drive his McLaren F1.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040
You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com

Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

From kaskas at cox.net  Thu Oct  1 08:32:27 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 07:32:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
In-Reply-To: <003901ca4296$5ee712d0$1cb53870$@com>
References: <c58.523e6b40.37f5f325@aol.com>
	<003901ca4296$5ee712d0$1cb53870$@com>
Message-ID: <7FDB5BFB45094F4490CFCCECBC43C4F0@KasPC>

Ah Chris, you are confusing the GT-6 engine with the Tran -Am Vitesse 
engine.  They were both the same capacity but that is about all that was the 
same.The GT-6 engine had only the 1.5" Stromberg Carburetors while the 
Vitesse had three 45mm Webers and other things allowed by the Tran-Am 
regulations.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: <GRMTim at aol.com>; <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video


> Question:
> Why does this car only has 170 hp instead of the 210 hp Kas Kastner did
> make?
>
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von GRMTim at aol.com
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Oktober 2009 13:57
> An: FOT at autox.team.net
> Betreff: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
>
> Thanks everyone who offered congrats. I
> f you thought the car sounded cool in the video, I wish I could have had
> you all with me in the car, coming up the hill into the Corkscrew at the 
> top
>
> of third gear. It was nearly a religious experience.
>
> That is actually the third video I have done with Leno and I actually did 
> a
> video interview with him for our website a few months back. I have gotten
> to know him pretty well and he is a very real, very decent guy behind the
> camera as well.
>
> At the next FOT event, when we get togther for a few beers remind me to
> tell you the story about him letting me drive his McLaren F1.
>
> Tim Suddard
> Publisher; Classic Motorsports
> and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
> www.classicmotorsports.net
> www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
> Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040
> You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com
>
> Fot at autox.team.net
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From gasket.works at verizon.net  Thu Oct  1 09:01:20 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:01:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] definitions
References: <37CFE53376493641BC5915CFC572110A3E775C@EXCH-VS3.coh.org>
Message-ID: <000b01ca42a8$0923a3b0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

Over the years I have worked more than I have vacationed.   My administrative
assistant (Secretary) keeps asking me why I don't take more rest.  ...She
knows I work every day and go home and do car stuff.....



I emailed this to her yesterday.  The below is the very bizarre way I answered
her.  Tongue in Cheek but, she understands me. Some may see it differently
sometimes I do too.  (I work in a surreal environment).

Death defined; absence of life.

Rest defined; incomplete death.

________________________________________________________________

Another definition I tell my kids.  This one is a bit harsh, I admit, and may
have some bearing on my biology training.

Success Defined:  Manipulation of the environment to meet your needs.



M

From dave at microworks.net  Thu Oct  1 09:13:43 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:13:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] definitions
In-Reply-To: <000b01ca42a8$0923a3b0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
References: <37CFE53376493641BC5915CFC572110A3E775C@EXCH-VS3.coh.org>
	<000b01ca42a8$0923a3b0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
Message-ID: <20091001151446.84023187654@autox.team.net>

Actually wouldn't these be better definitions?

Survival: Manipulation of the environment to meet your needs.
Success: Manipulation of the environment to meet your wants


>Another definition I tell my kids.  This one is a bit harsh, I admit, and may
>have some bearing on my biology training.
>
>Success Defined:  Manipulation of the environment to meet your needs.

From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Oct  1 10:14:35 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:14:35 EDT
Subject: [Fot] definitions
Message-ID: <ceb.65662d9e.37f62f6b@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/01/2009 10:01:46 AM Central Daylight Time, 
gasket.works at verizon.net writes:


> <<< Another definition I tell my kids.  This one is a bit harsh, I admit, 
> and may
> have some bearing on my biology training.
> 
> Success Defined:  Manipulation of the environment to meet your needs. >>>
> 
> My racing partner, Bob Wismer, has a similar observation on life.  He 
> says, "The Meek shall inherit the earth...when the strong are through with it."


Bill (Damdinger)

From markvaden at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 12:19:55 2009
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 11:19:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Race Video from VARA Oktoberfest
Message-ID: <285b8a860910011119w2101d175s818efaaa2a1ad3f6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I posted a video from the race at the last VARA event. It was really
hot in Buttonwillow, but the car ran well, and the race went really
well. In qualifying I got hit from behind, which caused some damage,
but nothing too bad. I'll post that video soon. Check out the race
video at:http://www.britishheritagemotorsports.com/tri_hard_racing_files/racing_videos.html

-Mark

From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Oct  1 20:59:55 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:59:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: 4 New trunk monkeys!
Message-ID: <A11738352A01474DB1344EBA4AF5B292@Bud>

Hi Friends....just in case you've forgotten about this Guy!.
RB



this is REALLY FUNNY..and a Triumph ..of sorts!
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig
To: Craig
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:36 AM
Subject: 4 New trunk monkeys!




Caution if viewing at work - laughter is a dead giveaway you're goofing off.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type video/x-ms-wmv which had a name of 4TrunkMo.wmv]

From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Thu Oct  1 23:18:09 2009
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 22:18:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Wayne's TR-6
Message-ID: <8CF82ED230B249B28929EC68DEC78E95@your89d26e0447>

A '73 TR_6 was originally timed at 4 Degree after top Dead Center with the
vacuum retard connected and working. With the retard disconnected, the "static
timing", ie. with the engine NOT RUNNING will be at around 12 to 16 degrees
BTDC. With the engine at an idle speed of around 750 -800 RPM, and the retard
disconnected, the ignition timing with a light should be about 18 degree BTDC.
With the engine accelerating up to about 4500 rpm, the timing should advance
to 34 to 36 degrees BTDC. You MUST run at least 91 octane gas in this engine
or you are likely to damage internal parts. The higher the octane the better.
Remember, in 1973 gas was rated differently, It was "Research Octane" and the
number for a TR-6 was 98 octane. The current rating system uses a number 5
lower, so the current version of the same performance would be 93 octane. You
have raised the compression, the engine now wants even higher octane gas!
    In tuning a car, you always set the valve lash, then the timing, then
adjust the carburetor idle speed and mixture. The Emission Control Stromberg
carbs that came on your car cannot be properly tuned by the methods that you
mentioned. When they are set correctly, raising the air valve will always
cause the engine to stall. The needles and mixture was set up by the factory
for passing emissions tests, not for performance. The jets must not be worn,
the needles must not be worn, the fuel levels must be set to the proper
height, the idle speed must be correct. The temperature compensators must be
in good working condition, and the idle "throttle by-pass  valves" must be
working properly. Then the mixture can be set by raising and lowering the
mixture needles in the air valves. This should be done on an exhaust analyzer
following the instructions in the workshop manual. For everything to work
properly, the vacuum retard must also be working!  This is so because with the
ignition retarded to 4 Degrees ATDC, the throttle opening screws on the
carburetors have to be screwed down way more to in effect "speed up the idle"
.  with everything set properly, if the retard is not working, the timing will
be around 20 degrees BTDC and the engine will idle at 1500 rpm or so.
    Sorry, I am sure this is not the answer you wanted to hear!.
    It is might be possible to make things work without the retard applied,
but everything else needs to be perfect, and the throttle by-pass valves on
the carburetors will probably have to be modified to prevent them from opening
and bleeding air around the throttle plates causing the idle to raise up even
higher.
                                                                             
                           Regards,
                                                                             
                               Greg Solow

The Engine Room
Sports Car Specialists
Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060
831 429-1800

From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct  2 07:06:09 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 06:06:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Stirling Moss in Pictures
Message-ID: <353405.23845.qm@web80808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

>From London Telegraph:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/picturegalleries/6139081/Sir-Stirling-Moss.html

This one shows him at the wheel of a Triumph/Standard 8/10 in 1955.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/picturegalleries/6139081/Sir-Stirling-Moss.html?image=4

Doug

From GRMTim at aol.com  Fri Oct  2 07:16:50 2009
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 09:16:50 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
Message-ID: <d3a.5060e3cd.37f75742@aol.com>

East coast hp is different than west coast I guess. Kas would know more 
about this. I was told by the guy who bought a Group 44 engine in 1973 that 
when he finished 7th at the Runoffs in 1974 that it made 164 hp.

Kas, any memories of these engines and there real power?

Remember this engine has stock crank and rods.

In a message dated 10/1/09 8:56:02 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:


> Question:
> Why does this car only has 170 hp instead of the 210 hp Kas Kastner did
> make?
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Chris
> 





Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040

From GRMTim at aol.com  Fri Oct  2 07:18:24 2009
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 09:18:24 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
Message-ID: <c6c.57e4b884.37f757a0@aol.com>

God I love this group!
Thanks Kas

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040

In a message dated 10/1/09 10:34:03 AM, kaskas at cox.net writes:


> Ah Chris, you are confusing the GT-6 engine with the Tran -Am Vitesse
> engine.  They were both the same capacity but that is about all that was
> the
> same.The GT-6 engine had only the 1.5" Stromberg Carburetors while the
> Vitesse had three 45mm Webers and other things allowed by the Tran-Am
> regulations.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> To: <GRMTim at aol.com>; <FOT at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 5:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
>
>
> > Question:
> > Why does this car only has 170 hp instead of the 210 hp Kas Kastner did
> > make?
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> > Chris
> >
> > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> > Auftrag von GRMTim at aol.com
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Oktober 2009 13:57
> > An: FOT at autox.team.net
> > Betreff: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
> >
> > Thanks everyone who offered congrats. I
> > f you thought the car sounded cool in the video, I wish I could have had
> > you all with me in the car, coming up the hill into the Corkscrew at the
> > top
> >
> > of third gear. It was nearly a religious experience.
> >
> > That is actually the third video I have done with Leno and I actually
> did
> > a
> > video interview with him for our website a few months back. I have
> gotten
> > to know him pretty well and he is a very real, very decent guy behind
> the
> > camera as well.
> >
> > At the next FOT event, when we get togther for a few beers remind me to
> > tell you the story about him letting me drive his McLaren F1.
> >
> > Tim Suddard
> > Publisher; Classic Motorsports
> > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
> > www.classicmotorsports.net
> > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
> > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040
> > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com
> >
> > Fot at autox.team.net
> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Oct  2 08:48:30 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:48:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] [6pack] 6-PACK TRials 2010 (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0910021038330.14222@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I'm just forwarding this for Todd... if you have an insterest in the track 
portion of the event, you might want to ping Todd (red_tr250 at yahoo.com)

rml
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2009 NER Solo Chair                            |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 04:55:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Todd Bermudez <red_tr250 at yahoo.com>
To: Six Pack <6pack at autox.team.net>
Subject: [6pack] 6-PACK TRials 2010

All,

I posted this on the 6-PACK website(www.6-pack.org).

Those of you on this list as well as FOT...please post this to the FOT 
list.  I need to get as much interest as possible in order to secure the 
track for the day.  Need to come up with a deposit ASAP

Cheers,

Todd



Just wanted to put this up so that everyone has dates & location for 
TRials 2010.

2010 TRials will be held in Oxford, Ohio on September 9th thru 11th. 
Depart on the 12th. The hotel is just outside of Oxford home of Miami 
University.

The host hotel is Hueston Woods Resort & Conference Center 
(http://www.huestonwoodsresort.com/)

Room rates I believe are $109 each night. I'm sure you can spend more on a 
fancier room if you like.

I believe the schedule will be like this...

Thursday Arrive & Registration & Reunite.
Thursday Evening will be Texas Style BBQ followed by Bon-Fire at the pit.

Friday Drive the beautiful backroads toward Batesville and/or Historic Metamora.

This is a BIG TENTATIVE at this point. We've tentatively agreed to RENT 
THE NEWLY BUILT Bluegrass Motorsports Park for the day. ( 
http://www.drivebluegrass.com ) We'll be given the opportunity to drive 
the course at 3 different levels: As fast as you like, touring, and 
parade. This will be a separate charge from the TRials and there are a few 
restrictions depending upon which you select. We'll be posting more 
information as details become available.


Saturday rise and shine for the Car show on the beautiful grounds of the 
Resort just up the hill from the lake. Saturday afternoon we'll be doing 
something silly I assure you...this has yet to be determined

Naturally, we'll wrap things up with the Awards Banquet Saturday evening
Sunday, say goodbyes & make ready for 2011!

Cheers,

Todd Bermudez
2010 TRials committee.

From gasket.works at verizon.net  Fri Oct  2 08:59:01 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 07:59:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Group shot at Portland
Message-ID: <000801ca4370$e0aeca30$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

Fot folks... who may have group photo of the cars at Portland / PIR at the Kas
cup.. I'm looking for a high Res image....   Perhaps Greg Petrolatti?


Mordy

From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Fri Oct  2 09:28:26 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 08:28:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Group shot at Portland
References: <000801ca4370$e0aeca30$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
Message-ID: <96F38270EF8648EB91CFABB340A0E7F5@Charly>

Don't know if this is what you're looking for, but a bunch here.  Several 
pages to look at.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
http://uploadingit.com/f/JM5IWVBYMCWY2DYG
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MORDY DUNST" <gasket.works at verizon.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 7:59 AM
Subject: [Fot] Group shot at Portland


> Fot folks... who may have group photo of the cars at Portland / PIR at the 
> Kas
> cup.. I'm looking for a high Res image....   Perhaps Greg Petrolatti?
>
>
> Mordy
>
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From kaskas at cox.net  Fri Oct  2 12:57:37 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:57:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
In-Reply-To: <d3a.5060e3cd.37f75742@aol.com>
References: <d3a.5060e3cd.37f75742@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A59E4627D2464730B206B46431793C4C@KasPC>

The last engines I did for the GT-6 in 1972 made 187 bhp at 8000.  This is 
with the stock crank, rods, valves, 1.5" Stromberg's and all the other stock 
stuff. It was 12.7 C.R and used 100 octane gas and the special velocity 
stacks I made which I see you have on your car.

This was a very reliable engine and I think the Groups car probably made 
about the same power as they were privy to everything we did and had.  Brian 
Fuersteneau and Don Devendorf were having a ding dong trade the lead every 
lap race at the runoffs in 1972 and no advantage on the chutes.  Don took 
my car off the road after coming under the bridge and that was that, but it 
seemed to me the cars were dead even in power. This is of course several 
years after your car.  I would say in the 1969 time frame 170+ bhp is pretty 
accurate, the same power  you are quoting.

My dyno's were used by Champion for spark plug work and they supplied me 
with their engineering plugs for experimenting and detailed reports.  The 
same dynos were used also by the natural gas company as we  were the only 
people that could supply TRUE numbers in repeats and from day to day.

There is only one horsepower number if the system is accurate and the 
operators are not fudging. I mention that because, my 170+ bhp  GT-6 could 
pull a certain Datsun 2 liter supposed 190 bhp car right down the chute at 
Riverside. We always referred to my horsepower as horses having big feet 
with hair hanging  around and they pulled beer wagons. :-)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <GRMTim at aol.com>
To: <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; <GRMTim at aol.com>; <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video


> East coast hp is different than west coast I guess. Kas would know more
> about this. I was told by the guy who bought a Group 44 engine in 1973 
> that
> when he finished 7th at the Runoffs in 1974 that it made 164 hp.
>
> Kas, any memories of these engines and there real power?
>
> Remember this engine has stock crank and rods.
>
> In a message dated 10/1/09 8:56:02 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
>
>
>> Question:
>> Why does this car only has 170 hp instead of the 210 hp Kas Kastner did
>> make?
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tim Suddard
> Publisher; Classic Motorsports
> and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
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> www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
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From bownes at seiri.com  Fri Oct  2 13:26:01 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:26:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>

sent me off to the local WallEWorld to pick up a TR6 Hot Wheels.

Given the fact I work just down the road from what used to be Bob Sharp's
old dealership, I was
thrilled to find there on the rack a nice TR6 Hot Wheels and a Datsun 510,
unfortunately not in
the right colurs, but nonetheless both are now adorning my office.

This weekend...Replace the front main seal on the TR6 if I'm lucky. If not,
it will just be work on
our Mini.

Bob

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Oct  2 14:31:31 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:31:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking For Used TR6 Grille for AMBRO
Message-ID: <8CC11B675DAB9A5-16C4-21E4C@webmail-d095.sysops.aol.com>

Just the 'egg crate' portion...not the emblem or surround.



Trading stock or cash.......



Thanks!



Joe A

From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Fri Oct  2 16:23:03 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:23:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &  Datsuns
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC67D47.2040407@141.com>


From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Fri Oct  2 16:41:20 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:41:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &  Datsuns
In-Reply-To: <4AC67D47.2040407@141.com>
References: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC67D47.2040407@141.com>
Message-ID: <4AC68190.50706@141.com>

Bob (et al), did you see the yellow Hot Wheels Morris Mini with flames 
when you were looking at the toys? I picked up the two our Walmart had, 
but all they have is the silver TR6. A bunch of those reddish 510's, 
too. I'd like to see the green TR6 here...

Susan      :)
>
>
> robert bownes wrote:
>> sent me off to the local WallEWorld to pick up a TR6 Hot Wheels.
>>
>> Given the fact I work just down the road from what used to be Bob Sharp's
>> old dealership, I was
>> thrilled to find there on the rack a nice TR6 Hot Wheels and a Datsun 510,
>> unfortunately not in
>> the right colurs, but nonetheless both are now adorning my office.
>>
>> This weekend...Replace the front main seal on the TR6 if I'm lucky. If not,
>> it will just be work on
>> our Mini.
>>
>> Bob
>>
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 17:24:20 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:24:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &  Datsuns
In-Reply-To: <4AC68190.50706@141.com>
References: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC67D47.2040407@141.com> <4AC68190.50706@141.com>
Message-ID: <673993c50910021624x66525ecen5cc0fa664211d74f@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure if any of you guys have seen this, but you can download these cars
for GT-Legends and are part of the Power and Glory mod..
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3056/3085074779_1c135ce53e_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3266/3085913666_3da1a76589_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3295/3085074771_91a37be3d8_o.jpg

Bob

From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Fri Oct  2 18:01:16 2009
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:01:16 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
In-Reply-To: <A59E4627D2464730B206B46431793C4C@KasPC>
References: <d3a.5060e3cd.37f75742@aol.com>
	<A59E4627D2464730B206B46431793C4C@KasPC>
Message-ID: <4BEA3FD956824C69BBB61CD2AB5FD746@GEOFFPC>

FOT
I raced a GT6 in the 70s with a "Kastner motor" built to his specs and with 
his S5 cam and valve gear . With tripple 42mm Webers (worked better than the 
45s) 12:1 cpmpression on avgas it had a very reliable 200hp confirmed on a 
reliable dyno . The only problem i had was breaking gear boxes and rear 
axles which was fixed by installing a TR6 box and axles. Conclusion is the 
2litre motor is capable of producing a reliable 200hp if built properly
Geoff Byrne
TR6 racer down under
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>
To: <GRMTim at aol.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video


> The last engines I did for the GT-6 in 1972 made 187 bhp at 8000.  This is 
> with the stock crank, rods, valves, 1.5" Stromberg's and all the other 
> stock stuff. It was 12.7 C.R and used 100 octane gas and the special 
> velocity stacks I made which I see you have on your car.
>
> This was a very reliable engine and I think the Groups car probably made 
> about the same power as they were privy to everything we did and had. 
> Brian Fuersteneau and Don Devendorf were having a ding dong trade the lead 
> every lap race at the runoffs in 1972 and no advantage on the chutes.  Don 
> took my car off the road after coming under the bridge and that was that, 
> but it seemed to me the cars were dead even in power. This is of course 
> several years after your car.  I would say in the 1969 time frame 170+ bhp 
> is pretty accurate, the same power  you are quoting.
>
> My dyno's were used by Champion for spark plug work and they supplied me 
> with their engineering plugs for experimenting and detailed reports.  The 
> same dynos were used also by the natural gas company as we  were the only 
> people that could supply TRUE numbers in repeats and from day to day.
>
> There is only one horsepower number if the system is accurate and the 
> operators are not fudging. I mention that because, my 170+ bhp  GT-6 could 
> pull a certain Datsun 2 liter supposed 190 bhp car right down the chute at 
> Riverside. We always referred to my horsepower as horses having big feet 
> with hair hanging  around and they pulled beer wagons. :-)
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <GRMTim at aol.com>
> To: <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; <GRMTim at aol.com>; <FOT at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
>
>
>> East coast hp is different than west coast I guess. Kas would know more
>> about this. I was told by the guy who bought a Group 44 engine in 1973 
>> that
>> when he finished 7th at the Runoffs in 1974 that it made 164 hp.
>>
>> Kas, any memories of these engines and there real power?
>>
>> Remember this engine has stock crank and rods.
>>
>> In a message dated 10/1/09 8:56:02 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
>>
>>
>>> Question:
>>> Why does this car only has 170 hp instead of the 210 hp Kas Kastner did
>>> make?
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Chris
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tim Suddard
>> Publisher; Classic Motorsports
>> and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
>> www.classicmotorsports.net
>> www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
>> Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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>>
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 18:44:11 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:44:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
Message-ID: <673993c50910021744m35b6204cn3a1225b8fbdf3be2@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone broken one, and by broken I mean snapped in two?

If you have where did it break, and what did you determine to be the cause?

Thanks,

Bob

From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Fri Oct  2 20:23:07 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:23:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &  Datsuns
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU116-W247331DEE95A21932DCB6490D10@phx.gbl>

I got 3 TR-6's at Walmart last night!  Passed on the 510's, even at 97
cents................Cheers henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM

> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:26:01 -0400
> From: bownes at seiri.com
> To: Fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns
>
> sent me off to the local WallEWorld to pick up a TR6 Hot Wheels.
>
> Given the fact I work just down the road from what used to be Bob Sharp's
> old dealership, I was
> thrilled to find there on the rack a nice TR6 Hot Wheels and a Datsun 510,
> unfortunately not in
> the right colurs, but nonetheless both are now adorning my office.
>
> This weekend...Replace the front main seal on the TR6 if I'm lucky. If not,
> it will just be work on
> our Mini.
>
> Bob
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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From ofbracing at nefcom.net  Sat Oct  3 05:34:25 2009
From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (ofbracing)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 07:34:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
In-Reply-To: <673993c50910021744m35b6204cn3a1225b8fbdf3be2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <776C9692689B460F9906203BCF889456@Dell5100Laptop>

Bob, I had one snap in my TR4 race engine, right behind the distributor
gear.  No other damage to the engine and we never figured out what
caused it other than probably fatigue.  Don  

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bob Adams
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:44 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage

Has anyone broken one, and by broken I mean snapped in two?

If you have where did it break, and what did you determine to be the
cause?

Thanks,

Bob
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From tr4.tony at virgin.net  Sat Oct  3 06:23:20 2009
From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:23:20 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
References: <776C9692689B460F9906203BCF889456@Dell5100Laptop>
Message-ID: <359C1FD90AAE4EA0A287E44DA79E0DCB@PBA.INT>

Bob

I have broken a cam and also heard of this with others - identified cause 
was an out of tolerance bearing, we believe a duff batch made for the major 
'Specialist' here in the UK.

Similarly out of tolerance bearing caused rapid failure of cam on road car 
of TR Register member here in the UK - again cause confirmed to be forward 
bearing badly manufactured and allowing the cam to move up to 1/4 inch.

Hope this assists you.

Tony 

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Oct  3 06:29:32 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:29:32 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Paging John Wiley
Message-ID: <bdc.563a0c65.37f89dac@cs.com>

Is John Wiley still on the list?

He has a TR4 he bought from one of our late FOTs....in Ohio.

I found something he wants and would like to get it to him.

Thanks,

JoeA

From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct  3 07:41:59 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 09:41:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &   Datsuns
In-Reply-To: <BLU116-W247331DEE95A21932DCB6490D10@phx.gbl>
References: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU116-W247331DEE95A21932DCB6490D10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <013301ca442f$491e3ab0$db5ab010$@net>

I got 8 this morning at my local Walmart. Cleared them out.
Only found the silver ones. If anyone needs one, let me know.

Doug

--
Doug Mitchell
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of dos_gusanos at msn.com
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:23 PM
To: bownes at seiri.com; fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns

I got 3 TR-6's at Walmart last night!  Passed on the 510's, even at 97
cents................Cheers henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM

> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:26:01 -0400
> From: bownes at seiri.com
> To: Fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns
>
> sent me off to the local WallEWorld to pick up a TR6 Hot Wheels.
>
> Given the fact I work just down the road from what used to be Bob Sharp's
> old dealership, I was
> thrilled to find there on the rack a nice TR6 Hot Wheels and a Datsun 510,
> unfortunately not in
> the right colurs, but nonetheless both are now adorning my office.
>
> This weekend...Replace the front main seal on the TR6 if I'm lucky. If
not,
> it will just be work on
> our Mini.
>
> Bob
>
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>
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From andre at gt6.ca  Sat Oct  3 08:03:38 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:03:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &  Datsuns
In-Reply-To: <013301ca442f$491e3ab0$db5ab010$@net>
References: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU116-W247331DEE95A21932DCB6490D10@phx.gbl>
	<013301ca442f$491e3ab0$db5ab010$@net>
Message-ID: <4362ae390910030703v20e28d7fu72526d9119b9832d@mail.gmail.com>

Grown men hoarding dinky cars.

AWESOME :)

I wish I could have found more then 1.

Maybe next time. Then I can take one out and race it down my kid's ramp.

A.

2009/10/3 Doug Mitchell <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>:
> I got 8 this morning at my local Walmart. Cleared them out.
> Only found the silver ones. If anyone needs one, let me know.
>
> Doug
>
> --
> Doug Mitchell
> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of dos_gusanos at msn.com
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:23 PM
> To: bownes at seiri.com; fot
> Subject: Re: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns
>
> I got 3 TR-6's at Walmart last night!  Passed on the 510's, even at 97
> cents................Cheers henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM
>
>> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:26:01 -0400
>> From: bownes at seiri.com
>> To: Fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns
>>
>> sent me off to the local WallEWorld to pick up a TR6 Hot Wheels.
>>
>> Given the fact I work just down the road from what used to be Bob Sharp's
>> old dealership, I was
>> thrilled to find there on the rack a nice TR6 Hot Wheels and a Datsun 510,
>> unfortunately not in
>> the right colurs, but nonetheless both are now adorning my office.
>>
>> This weekend...Replace the front main seal on the TR6 if I'm lucky. If
> not,
>> it will just be work on
>> our Mini.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Sat Oct  3 08:11:11 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 10:11:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &   Datsuns
In-Reply-To: <4362ae390910030703v20e28d7fu72526d9119b9832d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU116-W247331DEE95A21932DCB6490D10@phx.gbl>
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	<4362ae390910030703v20e28d7fu72526d9119b9832d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC75B7F.6020307@141.com>

Keep checking. They do restock the Hot Wheels.

Susan     :)


Andre Rousseau wrote:
> Grown men hoarding dinky cars.
>
> AWESOME :)
>
> I wish I could have found more then 1.
>
> Maybe next time. Then I can take one out and race it down my kid's ramp.
>
> A.
>
>   

-- 
No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationary.

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Oct  3 09:06:53 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:06:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
References: <776C9692689B460F9906203BCF889456@Dell5100Laptop>
Message-ID: <115A3509237E4E5F91CB752357010E5F@latitudefb1e41>

Bob,

Larry Young, who is designing camshafts for some of the FOT, likes to use 
new blanks rather than regrind for his race camshafts. His thinking is that 
during the regrind they also reduce the diamter of the shaft to keep it 
smaller than the base of the lobes. He is worried about your exact problem. 
Maybe he'll chime in.

Bob K
Austin TX
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ofbracing" <ofbracing at nefcom.net>
To: "'Bob Adams'" <adams910 at gmail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 6:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage


> Bob, I had one snap in my TR4 race engine, right behind the distributor
> gear.  No other damage to the engine and we never figured out what
> caused it other than probably fatigue.  Don
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Bob Adams
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:44 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
>
> Has anyone broken one, and by broken I mean snapped in two?
>
> If you have where did it break, and what did you determine to be the
> cause?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
> You are subscribed as ofbracing at nefcom.net
>
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Oct  3 09:11:45 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:11:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &    Datsuns
References: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com><BLU116-W247331DEE95A21932DCB6490D10@phx.gbl><013301ca442f$491e3ab0$db5ab010$@net><4362ae390910030703v20e28d7fu72526d9119b9832d@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <35469783207044C99D4F3173CDF6FBE6@latitudefb1e41>

At this rate they are going to think that they are onto something. Can a TR8 
rallye car be far behind?

Bob K
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Kahler" <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
To: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns


> Keep checking. They do restock the Hot Wheels.
>
> Susan     :)
>
>
> Andre Rousseau wrote:
>> Grown men hoarding dinky cars.
>>
>> AWESOME :)
>>
>> I wish I could have found more then 1.
>>
>> Maybe next time. Then I can take one out and race it down my kid's ramp.
>>
>> A.
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationary.
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From sbracing at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct  3 12:55:19 2009
From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 11:55:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &    Datsuns
In-Reply-To: <013301ca442f$491e3ab0$db5ab010$@net>
Message-ID: <290755.73998.qm@web80704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I wonder if anyone at Wal-Mart HQs is scratching thier head wondering why all
the Hot Wheels TR-6s are being snatched up so quickly.
 
I got my two this morning.
 
Thumbs up.
Steve

--- On Sat, 10/3/09, Doug Mitchell <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


From: Doug Mitchell <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns
To: dos_gusanos at msn.com, bownes at seiri.com, "'fot'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 8:41 AM


I got 8 this morning at my local Walmart. Cleared them out.
Only found the silver ones. If anyone needs one, let me know.

Doug

--
Doug Mitchell
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of dos_gusanos at msn.com
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:23 PM
To: bownes at seiri.com; fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns

I got 3 TR-6's at Walmart last night!  Passed on the 510's, even at 97
cents................Cheers henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM

> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:26:01 -0400
> From: bownes at seiri.com
> To: Fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns
>
> sent me off to the local WallEWorld to pick up a TR6 Hot Wheels.
>
> Given the fact I work just down the road from what used to be Bob Sharp's
> old dealership, I was
> thrilled to find there on the rack a nice TR6 Hot Wheels and a Datsun 510,
> unfortunately not in
> the right colurs, but nonetheless both are now adorning my office.
>
> This weekend...Replace the front main seal on the TR6 if I'm lucky. If
not,
> it will just be work on
> our Mini.
>
> Bob
>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Oct  3 14:05:42 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:05:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels
Message-ID: <EA14990008F54C0A90A2BD7E08099EE6@Bud>

just got mine in the mail(Ebay)...got 2 silver and 1 green..really cool little
dudes!
Racer Bud

From adams910 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 15:33:25 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 17:33:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
In-Reply-To: <115A3509237E4E5F91CB752357010E5F@latitudefb1e41>
References: <776C9692689B460F9906203BCF889456@Dell5100Laptop>
	<115A3509237E4E5F91CB752357010E5F@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <673993c50910031433u54411565s2cefe63ef7209903@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks all.

The cam sheared right at the front of the distributor gear, this was a
regrind btw. This survey was just to see if this was an isolated incident.

 It's a bummer since the car was sitting on the overall pole with room for
improvement. Unfortunately, most of the competition saw failures (some
catastrophic) and by the end of the qualifying race today,  only 1 car from
the original top 4 was still running by the end of it.

Curious to know where Larry Young is getting his new blanks from and what he
thinks of their quality. The biggest issue I see is getting the distributor
drive gear correct.

Bob

From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Sat Oct  3 16:37:06 2009
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:37:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
References: <776C9692689B460F9906203BCF889456@Dell5100Laptop>
Message-ID: <747767F0CE374814BE4AA8ECFE52E73A@your89d26e0447>

I have never experienced any camshaft breakage, but in a reprint of an 
article from the English magazine Autocar from April 8, 1955 excessive 
camshaft bending in the area of the oil pump drive gear is mentioned. And 
this was with early light springs but continuous use over 5,000 rpm. to cure 
the problems the front part only of the camshaft was increased in diameter 
by 1/8". Remember, the span of support in the front of the engine is twice 
as large as in the rear half. The drive gear has replaced the bearing that 
would  be expected in this location.
    I believe that the shaft diameter should not be reduced below its 
original as cast diameter for this reason. If a cam grind has so much lift 
or duration that the shaft diameter has to be reduced to accommodate a small 
base circle, then the lobes need to be welded up or a new cam blank with 
large enough lobes should be used. The new cam blank should be checked to 
make sure the front part of the shaft is 1/8" larger than the rear part. it 
should also be the same minimum size as the original shaft.
    In the original design, according the article in "The Autocar"  at 6,000 
rpm the camshaft was flexing .020" at the #1 exhaust lobe and only .008" at 
the #3 exhaust lobe. Again, this was in the early development of the TR-2, 
before the valve stems were uprated to 3/8" diameter and before the valve 
springs were stiffened.  The Tr engineers found increasing the diameter of 
the whole length of the camshaft did not cure this uneven deflection, this 
was only cured by enlarging the front part of the camshaft and leaving the 
rear part untouched.
    This uneven deflection could account for camshaft breakage in the area 
around the oil pump drive gear.
    The article with this information is in a "brooklands books" collection 
"Triumph TR-2 & TR-3 1952 - 1960"  The article is entitled "A Triumph of 
Development  The story of the TR-2" by John Rabson,  A.M.I.Mech.E.
                                                                             
                            Regards,
                                                                             
                                Greg Solow
                                                                             
                                The Engine Room
                                                                             
                                 Santa Cruz, Ca.

From gasket.works at verizon.net  Sat Oct  3 18:07:19 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:07:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] camshaft breakage
References: <776C9692689B460F9906203BCF889456@Dell5100Laptop>
	<115A3509237E4E5F91CB752357010E5F@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <003301ca4486$a417cc90$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

Some years ago? 1995 when I visited with the UK/Terry Hurrell.  . I traded 
some copper gaskets for "new and unground" cam.  Can't remember where he 
said the new cams came from.    I had it ground --the cam pretty much melted 
in the first five minutes of use.  The lobes and the distributor gear went 
away.  ....    didn't break though.

My wifes 911 porsche had one cam break in half downshifting at Watkins Glen. 
Her loving dad rebuilt the engine for  her albeit with askance looks while 
cursing under his breath the entire time. She still keeps the remnant of 
that camshaft on the shelf.

Mordy

From Herald948 at aol.com  Sat Oct  3 18:32:18 2009
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 20:32:18 EDT
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &   Datsuns
Message-ID: <cd9.5c73140e.37f94712@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/2/2009 10:40:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
dos_gusanos at msn.com writes:

I got 3  TR-6's at Walmart last night! 
 
==AM==
Darn! I was in Walmart earlier this afternoon to pick up oil and filter for 
 my son's Saturn (geez, what's with that silly cartridge style oil filter,  
anyway?)...and I totally forgot to go to Toys and see what they had.  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph 
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 

From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Oct  3 20:15:00 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:15:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: not auto related...Joke from my  Mom...She's a Triumph
Message-ID: <7347E9BFA45348D49B980D695A82223C@Bud>

-


Hi Gang......My Mom...88 years old.... called me tonight to tell me a
joke...She laughed while she told it...This is what Cute Stuff is about..

WHY DID THE RAISIN GO OUT WITH THE PRUNE?
BECAUSE HE COULDN'T GET A DATE!
Racer Bud

From brad.kahler at 141.com  Sat Oct  3 21:48:12 2009
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 23:48:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 modified upper A-Arms (for sale)
Message-ID: <4AC81AFC.2060800@141.com>

Amici,

As I was digging through some of the boxes that I moved from Arkansas to 
Kentucky I found a set of upper A-Arms that Uncle Jack modified for me.  
I bought them for a future project that has since been canceled.  If 
interested feel free to contact me. I'd like to get what I have in them 
which is $75.

Thanks,

Brad
(Susan's crew chief)

From bownes at seiri.com  Sat Oct  3 22:05:08 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 00:05:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] camshaft breakage
In-Reply-To: <003301ca4486$a417cc90$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
References: <776C9692689B460F9906203BCF889456@Dell5100Laptop>
	<115A3509237E4E5F91CB752357010E5F@latitudefb1e41>
	<003301ca4486$a417cc90$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330910032105r35e69fc9sf5835698c2d63e22@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sure we all have our personal 'Wall of shame'.  Mine includes a U
shaped con rod, a pinion gear missing several teeth and an oil pan the
looks like someone put a hole in it with a 9mm.

The price of experience is not paid in years or dollars, it is in
learning from mistakes of ourselves and others kind enough to share.



On 10/3/09, MORDY DUNST <gasket.works at verizon.net> wrote:
> Some years ago? 1995 when I visited with the UK/Terry Hurrell.  . I traded
> some copper gaskets for "new and unground" cam.  Can't remember where he
> said the new cams came from.    I had it ground --the cam pretty much melted
> in the first five minutes of use.  The lobes and the distributor gear went
> away.  ....    didn't break though.
>
> My wifes 911 porsche had one cam break in half downshifting at Watkins Glen.
> Her loving dad rebuilt the engine for  her albeit with askance looks while
> cursing under his breath the entire time. She still keeps the remnant of
> that camshaft on the shelf.
>
> Mordy
>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Sun Oct  4 07:52:08 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:52:08 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?
Message-ID: <c39.61a07c10.37fa0288@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/03/2009 3:10:34 PM Central Daylight Time, 
budscars at comcast.net writes:


> <<< just got mine in the mail(Ebay)...got 2 silver and 1 green..really 
> cool little
> dudes! >>>


Like a Lemming, I've have followed the rushing crowd to Walmart and 
purchased two Hot Wheels TRIUMPH TR6 models.  They are both the #17 silver race car 
model.  Now if I can only find my collection of Avon After Shave (in the 
green glass TR3 bottles), I can keep them all together.  I hope Shirley hasn't 
tossed them out.

Why would a seventy year old man make a special trip to Walmart to buy Hot 
Wheels?  Total cost...$2.04.  And they're not a gift for my grandchildren.  
They're for myself no less.  It's because what happened at ROAD AMERICA last 
week end is more frosting on our cake.  Kas, Tullius, and a host of others 
laid the foundation a half century ago.  By shade tree backyard efforts, 
that winning tradition was continued in club racing for decades.  Long after 
TRIUMPH ceased production the winning continues.  People like Prentice, 
Wheeler, and now Halkias continued the winning tradition.    Based on the 
incredible number of wins, and in particular its club racing record...clearly, 
TRIUMPH, that sports car for the common man...that sports car of the great 
unwashed, is one of the greatest marques ever. 

You bet!  I've got mine too.

Bill (Damdinger)

From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Oct  4 09:38:08 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:38:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?
References: <c39.61a07c10.37fa0288@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F0F0A6FEE5644F0AB9524050EDC782B0@Bud>

Very nice Bill
Racer Bud
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: BillDentin at aol.com
  To: budscars at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 6:52 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?


  In a message dated 10/03/2009 3:10:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
budscars at comcast.net writes:



    <<< just got mine in the mail(Ebay)...got 2 silver and 1 green..really
cool little
    dudes! >>>



  Like a Lemming, I've have followed the rushing crowd to Walmart and
purchased two Hot Wheels TRIUMPH TR6 models.  They are both the #17 silver
race car model.  Now if I can only find my collection of Avon After Shave (in
the green glass TR3 bottles), I can keep them all together.  I hope Shirley
hasn't tossed them out.

  Why would a seventy year old man make a special trip to Walmart to buy Hot
Wheels?  Total cost...$2.04.  And they're not a gift for my grandchildren.
They're for myself no less.  It's because what happened at ROAD AMERICA last
week end is more frosting on our cake.  Kas, Tullius, and a host of others
laid the foundation a half century ago.  By shade tree backyard efforts, that
winning tradition was continued in club racing for decades.  Long after
TRIUMPH ceased production the winning continues.  People like Prentice,
Wheeler, and now Halkias continued the winning tradition.    Based on the
incredible number of wins, and in particular its club racing record...clearly,
TRIUMPH, that sports car for the common man...that sports car of the great
unwashed, is one of the greatest marques ever.

  You bet!  I've got mine too.

  Bill (Damdinger)

From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Oct  4 10:17:14 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:17:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] HOT WHEELS TRIUMPH TR6 ABSOLUT VODKA CUSTOM - eBay (item
 220486822459 end time Oct-04-09 19:30:41 PDT)
Message-ID: <15387C9D9F7D4232AEBE2633AB761E07@Bud>

check out this one!!
Racer Bud
http://cgi.ebay.com/HOT-WHEELS-TRIUMPH-TR6-ABSOLUT-VODKA-CUSTOM_W0QQitemZ2204
86822459QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDiecast_Vehicles?hash=item335609ea3b&_trksid=p3286
.c0.m14

From deanesr at uncw.edu  Sun Oct  4 10:30:06 2009
From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:30:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels an adventure in Wally World
Message-ID: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E0945178CBA9693@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu>

Well it has been interesting being in "Wally World" getting in front of kids
looking for TR-6s , felt like a kid again and then got ribbed by the wife when
I got home, only found one so far ...but there is another Wal-Mart in town!
There is no rhyme or reason to the way they put the little car on the rack so
you have to go thru every one of them. Three or four people looked at me
rambling thru the cars as some hit the floor and one lady wanted to know if I
had seen any helicopters , I told her I was only half thru of the 300 it
seemed cars. Good luck hunting!

Rob deanes
TR-4 Racer  #62
TR-6, TR-4 Street

From JHOUATHOME at aol.com  Sun Oct  4 11:23:58 2009
From: JHOUATHOME at aol.com (JHOUATHOME at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 13:23:58 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?
Message-ID: <cd8.5777e5aa.37fa342e@aol.com>

At the risk of sounding like I am pandering...I would add a few names to  
Bill's list.  There are so many who have been stalwart Triumph devotees,  who 
have loved and raced our their TR's, but who have not won in the  
limelight.  People like our own Joe Alexander, who we all at FOT owe so  much to, 
Uncle Jack Drews, the late Mike Belfer, and of course Mr. Dentinger  himself to 
name but a few.  I look forward to the day when I can buy a red  #197 TR4, 
a blue #59 TR4, and a baby blue "Beady Eye" TR3 for my  collection, and my 
kids can tell their kids that "My Dad had the honor to  race with THOSE GUYS, 
and I got to be there for it when I was a kid!"
 
I still own the very first Triumph I ever saw (watched it around town when  
I was 5, bought it when I was 15!) and while I am delighted by, humbled by, 
 and add my congratulations to, Bills list of luminaries, I am most 
appreciative  of and inspired by these folks in our own FOT.  Thanks to all of you 
for  the past, present and future memories.  To be there when Bill won our  
group race in the TR3 at the Chicago Historic races in 1987 (?) remains one 
of  my best Triumph experiences.  I am sure that there are hundreds of other 
 such memories in the group.  Thanks everyone for keeping the flame  
burning.
 
John Houlton
 
 
In a message dated 10/4/2009 9:19:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
BillDentin at aol.com writes:

In a  message dated 10/03/2009 3:10:34 PM Central Daylight Time,  
budscars at comcast.net writes:


> <<< just got mine in  the mail(Ebay)...got 2 silver and 1 green..really 
> cool little
>  dudes! >>>


Like a Lemming, I've have followed the rushing  crowd to Walmart and 
purchased two Hot Wheels TRIUMPH TR6 models.   They are both the #17 silver 
race car 
model.  Now if I can only find  my collection of Avon After Shave (in the 
green glass TR3 bottles), I can  keep them all together.  I hope Shirley 
hasn't 
tossed them  out.

Why would a seventy year old man make a special trip to Walmart to  buy Hot 
Wheels?  Total cost...$2.04.  And they're not a gift for  my grandchildren. 
 
They're for myself no less.  It's because  what happened at ROAD AMERICA 
last 
week end is more frosting on our  cake.  Kas, Tullius, and a host of others 
laid the foundation a half  century ago.  By shade tree backyard efforts, 
that winning tradition  was continued in club racing for decades.  Long 
after 
TRIUMPH ceased  production the winning continues.  People like Prentice, 
Wheeler, and  now Halkias continued the winning tradition.    Based on the  
incredible number of wins, and in particular its club racing  
record...clearly, 
TRIUMPH, that sports car for the common man...that  sports car of the great 
unwashed, is one of the greatest marques ever.  

You bet!  I've got mine too.

Bill  (Damdinger)
You  are subscribed as  jhouathome at aol.com

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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun Oct  4 13:03:56 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:03:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
In-Reply-To: <115A3509237E4E5F91CB752357010E5F@latitudefb1e41>
References: <776C9692689B460F9906203BCF889456@Dell5100Laptop>
	<115A3509237E4E5F91CB752357010E5F@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <4AC8F19C.3040409@pobox.com>

My comments are in line with Greg Solow's.  My principal concern is with 
the shaft diameter as it relates to the stiffness of the valve train, 
but it could also be related to breakage.  Ideally, you want the valve 
train to be stiff to reduce the deflection and vibrations.  I found the 
same article that Greg mentioned in the Brooklands reprints (for TR2 & 
3) that explained that Triumph beefed up the front portion of the shaft 
to increase the stiffness. According to my measurements, you can't get 
more than 0.300 lift from a regrind without cutting into the core (the 
part between the lobes).  If you want 0.370 lift from a regrind, you'll 
have to undercut the core about 0.200 inch.  That reduce it's stiffness 
by more than 50%. If you grind on a new blank and keep it as large as 
possible, you will not have to make it as small, so it should be both 
stiffer and less likely to break. 

British Parts Northwest did carry blanks for a while, but I understand 
they no longer plan to stock them.  I've just ordered a small batch from 
the UK.  I've seen problems with both the drive gear and the bearing 
surfaces.  My TR3 and Tony Drew's TR4 both have been running cams ground 
on new blanks without any problems.

Perhaps in this discussion, it would be useful to know the lift of the 
cam and whether it was new or reground. You'd expect the front portion 
of the cam to be the part most likely to break.
Larry

Bob Kramer wrote:
> Bob,
>
> Larry Young, who is designing camshafts for some of the FOT, likes to 
> use new blanks rather than regrind for his race camshafts. His 
> thinking is that during the regrind they also reduce the diamter of 
> the shaft to keep it smaller than the base of the lobes. He is worried 
> about your exact problem. Maybe he'll chime in.
>
> Bob K
> Austin TX

From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Oct  4 13:08:38 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 13:08:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?
In-Reply-To: <c39.61a07c10.37fa0288@aol.com>
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BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
> ...
> clearly, TRIUMPH, that sports car for the common man...that sports car of the
> great unwashed, is one of the greatest marques ever. 
>
>   


I wasn't paying that much attention to this Hot Wheels fervor.  After 
reading Bill's
comment, though, I think I'll be getting one myself to perch atop one of 
the Team.Net
servers.

As many of you know I host many email lists, most involving old sports 
cars of some
type or another.  I haven't actually counted lately, but the last time I 
did there were
something like 15,000 subscriptions all told.  It takes a bit of my time 
and I do it for
free, mostly, though I do solicit contributions now and again to cover 
my expenses and
new hardware as needed to keep things going.  Sometimes, like the AOL 
block a few
months ago, it is quite a chore and I wonder why I bother.

This FOT list, however, is not a bother, but an honor.  We're coming up 
on the 13th
anniversary of this list, we've got almost 300 members.  It has been a 
few years since
I've had a Triumph on the track, almost a year since I've had one on the 
street.  But this
list helps me keep my enthusiasm going.

The offer of the trip to Portland this year is a good indicator of the 
type of people on
this list.  And  the trip to Hallett for the 10th Anniversary was 
another great example.
I remember back at Mid-Ohio in 2002 heading to the bleachers over there 
north of the
paddock to catch the start of the Triumph feature race.  Lots of Triumph 
fans were
there, excited to be part of the event, everyone yakking away.  When the 
field came up
the hill to the turn ready to take the green, it got REAL quiet in the 
stands.  A moment
of life I will cherish forever.

Yep, I gotta  get a little Triumph racer to adorn my office.

Thanks, folks.

mjb.

From robertten1 at aol.com  Sun Oct  4 15:41:25 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:41:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels an adventure in Wally World
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 I found a silver one at Target, haven't been to Walworld yet


Bob T


 


 

-----Original Message-----
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To: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Oct 4, 2009 12:30 pm
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels an adventure in Wally World










Well it has been interesting being in "Wally World" getting in front of kids
looking for TR-6s , felt like a kid again and then got ribbed by the wife when
I got home, only found one so far ...but there is another Wal-Mart in town!
There is no rhyme or reason to the way they put the little car on the rack so
you have to go thru every one of them. Three or four people looked at me
rambling thru the cars as some hit the floor and one lady wanted to know if I
had seen any helicopters , I told her I was only half thru of the 300 it
seemed cars. Good luck hunting!

Rob deanes
TR-4 Racer  #62
TR-6, TR-4 Street
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From Catpusher at aol.com  Sun Oct  4 15:59:11 2009
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 17:59:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
Message-ID: <bd1.61251565.37fa74af@aol.com>

I agree completely with Greg.
 
I never had a problem with the Kas cams, including the one that he ground  
for me on the last known blank from the Triumph parts system.
 
I had two cam grinders brush off the information about the two diameters,  
and lost three cams over the years.
 
The most frustrating one broke in front of the gear in T3 at the old  
Laguna; if only the rotor had stopped pointing to the #1 plug, the crank trigger  
might have made it to the top of the hill on the last lap of the last 
season  race, as the front two lobes still worked; it cost the divisional title.
 
The worst was one that broke in two places, and allowed the front part of  
the cam to fall down into the crank.
 
I installed and closely watched the cam bearings, and polished the radii on 
 both sides of the gear, and magged the cam at least once a year.
 
Hardy
 
 
In a message dated 10/4/2009 9:06:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:

From:  "Greg Solow" <gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Survey:  TR3-4 camshaft breakage
To: "ofbracing" <ofbracing at nefcom.net>, "'Bob  Adams'"

I have never experienced any camshaft breakage, but in a  reprint of an 
article from the English magazine Autocar from April 8, 1955  excessive 
camshaft bending in the area of the oil pump drive gear is  mentioned. And 
this was with early light springs but continuous use over  5,000 rpm. to 
cure 
the problems the front part only of the camshaft was  increased in diameter 
by 1/8". Remember, the span of support in the front  of the engine is twice 
as large as in the rear half. The drive gear has  replaced the bearing that 
would  be expected in this  location.
I believe that the shaft diameter should not be  reduced below its 
original as cast diameter for this reason. If a cam  grind has so much lift 
or duration that the shaft diameter has to be  reduced to accommodate a 
small 
base circle, then the lobes need to be  welded up or a new cam blank with 
large enough lobes should be used. The  new cam blank should be checked to 
make sure the front part of the shaft  is 1/8" larger than the rear part. 
it 
should also be the same minimum size  as the original shaft.......

From jaboruch at netzero.net  Sun Oct  4 17:40:41 2009
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 23:40:41 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
Message-ID: <20091004.194041.17310.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com>

I have broken one.  Mis-shifted, 10000+ rpms, valve float, bang - lots of
broken parts.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:44:11 -0400

Has anyone broken one, and by broken I mean snapped in two?

If you have where did it break, and what did you determine to be the cause?

Thanks,

Bob
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From jerrybarr at charter.net  Sun Oct  4 20:10:59 2009
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (jerrybarr at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 02:10:59 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?
Message-ID: <1974959858-1254708775-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1344832935-@bda008.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

My sweet wife and I are in Spearfish SD so we went to the local Walmart to look for the TR6 racers. After looking though the whole rack all we found was a Dstun 510 so I bought it so I can stomp on it.
------Original Message------
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To: fot at autox.team.net
ReplyTo: RACER BUD
Subject: Re: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?
Sent: Oct 4, 2009 9:38 AM

Very nice Bill
Racer Bud
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: BillDentin at aol.com
  To: budscars at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 6:52 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?


  In a message dated 10/03/2009 3:10:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
budscars at comcast.net writes:



    <<< just got mine in the mail(Ebay)...got 2 silver and 1 green..really
cool little
    dudes! >>>



  Like a Lemming, I've have followed the rushing crowd to Walmart and
purchased two Hot Wheels TRIUMPH TR6 models.  They are both the #17 silver
race car model.  Now if I can only find my collection of Avon After Shave (in
the green glass TR3 bottles), I can keep them all together.  I hope Shirley
hasn't tossed them out.

  Why would a seventy year old man make a special trip to Walmart to buy Hot
Wheels?  Total cost...$2.04.  And they're not a gift for my grandchildren.
They're for myself no less.  It's because what happened at ROAD AMERICA last
week end is more frosting on our cake.  Kas, Tullius, and a host of others
laid the foundation a half century ago.  By shade tree backyard efforts, that
winning tradition was continued in club racing for decades.  Long after
TRIUMPH ceased production the winning continues.  People like Prentice,
Wheeler, and now Halkias continued the winning tradition.    Based on the
incredible number of wins, and in particular its club racing record...clearly,
TRIUMPH, that sports car for the common man...that sports car of the great
unwashed, is one of the greatest marques ever.

  You bet!  I've got mine too.

  Bill (Damdinger)
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Oct  5 07:44:27 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:44:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?
Message-ID: <c4f.51e97b43.37fb523b@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/04/2009 12:23:58 PM Central Daylight Time, JHOUATHOME 
writes:


> I still own the very first Triumph I ever saw (watched it around town 
> when I was 5, bought it when I was 15!) and while I am delighted by, humbled 
> by, and add my congratulations to, Bills list of luminaries, I am most 
> appreciative of and inspired by these folks in our own FOT.  Thanks to all of 
> you for the past, present and future memories.  To be there when Bill won our 
> group race in the TR3 at the Chicago Historic races in 1987 (?) remains 
> one of my best Triumph experiences.  I am sure that there are hundreds of 
> other such memories in the group.  Thanks everyone for keeping the flame 
> burning.
> 

Ah so.  So then...you're the other guy who remembers that early CHR race.  
That was in the wet too.

Bill (Damdinger)

From emanteno at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 09:29:03 2009
From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:29:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Bill D winning in the rain, was Hot Wheels...WHY?
Message-ID: <354a1780910050829q1607906axb14ec52cbb62cc02@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:44 AM, <BillDentin at aol.com> wrote:

Ah so.  So then...you're the other guy who remembers that early CHR race.
> That was in the wet too.
>


I remember it as well. I was flagging at Corner 6 for that race.

Irv

From emanteno at comcast.net  Mon Oct  5 09:34:34 2009
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:34:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Cool Sight
Message-ID: <354a1780910050834w3eae6139j74064dc131ab748d@mail.gmail.com>

I just got back from VTR/TRiumphest, and the second coolest sight (Paul
Smock was #1) was a TR6 with an ARKAY turbo set up on it. I had never seen
one before. What a nice installation, but of course, we all know why that
is.

Irv

From robertten1 at aol.com  Mon Oct  5 09:32:27 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:32:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Autocross Weekend
Message-ID: <8CC13E82DF5DB1A-3B68-4F398@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com>

Amici,

As an autocrosser I thought I 'd pass along my weekend experience that I shared with a fellow autocrosser here in New England.

Cheers,
Bob T
'64 Spitfire GT? autocrosser


So I had a full weekend of autocrossing
starting with the local Miata club on a wet Saturday.? There weren't any
downpours till the very end of the afternoon runs but the surface was
wet none the less, with several spots with standing water.? My Toyo's
finally started to shine once I found that 8 lbs. less of air was the
trick.? I found lots of grip and only had to be careful in the tight
turn arounds.? Even the event chair was surprised how well I was doing.? Its the
best I ever felt behind the wheel in the wet, very confident in the
car.? So, yes I had very low times, not as good as top driver in the HondaCRX in my class,
and I did hit a few cones in the process but that's the price to find a quicker time.? To top off a great day of racing I won the raffle, a
$50.00 Shell Gas Card, yahoo!? This paid for all my travel gas for the
weekend plus.



So after a wet and cold Saturday, I ventured out on Sunday to Hartford,
CT, for the Jaguar Club of Southern New England's 2nd Annual Slalom.?
Needless to say the day got better and better weather wise.? The club has use of a great lot that is more than adequate for the Jag course with tons
of run off area everywhere.? There was some grumbling that the surface
was damp but Jag owners had this second chance to do well as far as
JCNA National Times in their respective classes .? Got to see some familiar faces and
saw some interesting cars.? Gary was there with his silver E-Type minus
the graphics, there were a couple Healey 3000's, a problem bound '62
Lotus 7 ( a real Lotus ),? Ray Zeza with a nice former World Challenge
Corvette ( a Kim Baker car ) and the usual mix of Jag's and others that
we see at the JANE events.? People were having a good ole time turning
in good times for their particular group.? I was still on my Toyo's
running about 2 lbs extra in them, seems to be the answer for these
tight tight courses too.? Yes, I'm fially back in the 40 second range, after a few years in the 41 to 42 second range, I have reached my
goal.? I believe I ended up second in Class Z behind Ray's Corvette,
sorry I can't remember his best time ( 39 or 38 ??? ).? Gary said he
wished he had his race tires cause he was stuck in the 42's on street tires,
but admits that was good times for the tires.? Forgot to mention Jim
was there with his monster Race V12 E-Type but suffered a water pump
pulley failure on the co-drivers first run ( 40.3 )? Jim never got to
make a second competitive run.



All in all it was a great race weekend, ran alot, learned alot and
achieved alot.? I'm a very happy camper indeed!? One race weekend left
and I hate to say it ... winter solstace.



Cheers mate,

Bob T

From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Oct  5 10:26:53 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:26:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Emailing: IMG_8342 (1)   My friend's 'TRIUMPH'
Message-ID: <8701DE415DA644B8A2FFA4DB61189A8F@Bud>

Hi Gang...not a 'Triumph' per say, but definetely a triumph in it's Art
Form.....This is my friend John Lewis' drag car...
Racer Bud
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Oct  5 10:45:22 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 12:45:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cool Sight
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did uncle jack find a home......?












-----Original Message-----
From: Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net>
To: FOT <fot at Autox.Team.Net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 5, 2009 10:34 am
Subject: [Fot] Cool Sight



I just got back from VTR/TRiumphest, and the second coolest sight (Paul
Smock was #1) was a TR6 with an ARKAY turbo set up on it. I had never seen
one before. What a nice installation, but of course, we all know why that
is.

Irv
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Mon Oct  5 13:44:47 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:44:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spit question
Message-ID: <8CC140B6DDA0577-F54-19A5@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com>

Amici,

I'm here going thru my spares while preparing to rebuild 3 transmissions and have come across a dilemma ... the throw out bearing carrier. Do I have early or late parts ( b&b 3 finger or diaphram ) ?? If some one could tell me if the longer ( I need to know the length between the bottom of bearing to the flange the sets in the fork ) is for the which clutch set up?

Got here do to I'm running a GT6 gearbox and things are different for that set up.? An help from those knowledgable would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Bob T
'63 Spitfire MK1
'64 Spitfire GT autocrosser

From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Oct  5 15:21:58 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:21:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fw: not auto related...Joke from my Mom...She's a Triumph
References: <7347E9BFA45348D49B980D695A82223C@Bud>
Message-ID: <189036B515894E7B97FC499A416E5042@rocky>

I'm going to have to find some kindergarten kid to tell that too. I'm sure 
someone in that age range will think it's hilarious!

;-)

--Rocket J. Squirrel


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:15 PM
Subject: [Fot] Fw: not auto related...Joke from my Mom...She's a Triumph


> -
>
>
> Hi Gang......My Mom...88 years old.... called me tonight to tell me a
> joke...She laughed while she told it...This is what Cute Stuff is about..
>
> WHY DID THE RAISIN GO OUT WITH THE PRUNE?
> BECAUSE HE COULDN'T GET A DATE!
> Racer Bud
>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Oct  5 15:27:47 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:27:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: not auto related...Joke from my Mom...She's a Triumph
References: <7347E9BFA45348D49B980D695A82223C@Bud>
	<189036B515894E7B97FC499A416E5042@rocky>
Message-ID: <D50A2D11E0264345969B2E4C8542082A@Bud>

I told it to my 6 year old grandson yesterday..he loved it.. got it right 
away!
RB
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To: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: not auto related...Joke from my Mom...She's a Triumph


> I'm going to have to find some kindergarten kid to tell that too. I'm sure 
> someone in that age range will think it's hilarious!
>
> ;-)
>
> --Rocket J. Squirrel
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:15 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Fw: not auto related...Joke from my Mom...She's a Triumph
>
>
>> -
>>
>>
>> Hi Gang......My Mom...88 years old.... called me tonight to tell me a
>> joke...She laughed while she told it...This is what Cute Stuff is about..
>>
>> WHY DID THE RAISIN GO OUT WITH THE PRUNE?
>> BECAUSE HE COULDN'T GET A DATE!
>> Racer Bud
>>
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From stutzmans at comcast.net  Mon Oct  5 21:31:59 2009
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 23:31:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
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Message-ID: <38A556D161B9456C9F8B1E1AB0257CBA@ComputerPC>

I've been reading your comments on this issue with considerable interest.
I have ruined lobes on several Isky555 regrinds over the years - always 
blamed it on the lifters.  I dug one out from under the work bench today and 
examined it.  The diameter of the fat half of the shaft has been cut down 
about .050 in.  The cam lift on a 555 is .298 in.
Do you think that is enough to be causing my problem of ruining lobes?
Bruce

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage


> My comments are in line with Greg Solow's.  My principal concern is with
> the shaft diameter as it relates to the stiffness of the valve train,
> but it could also be related to breakage.  Ideally, you want the valve
> train to be stiff to reduce the deflection and vibrations.  I found the
> same article that Greg mentioned in the Brooklands reprints (for TR2 &
> 3) that explained that Triumph beefed up the front portion of the shaft
> to increase the stiffness. According to my measurements, you can't get
> more than 0.300 lift from a regrind without cutting into the core (the
> part between the lobes).  If you want 0.370 lift from a regrind, you'll
> have to undercut the core about 0.200 inch.  That reduce it's stiffness
> by more than 50%. If you grind on a new blank and keep it as large as
> possible, you will not have to make it as small, so it should be both
> stiffer and less likely to break.
>
> British Parts Northwest did carry blanks for a while, but I understand
> they no longer plan to stock them.  I've just ordered a small batch from
> the UK.  I've seen problems with both the drive gear and the bearing
> surfaces.  My TR3 and Tony Drew's TR4 both have been running cams ground
> on new blanks without any problems.
>
> Perhaps in this discussion, it would be useful to know the lift of the
> cam and whether it was new or reground. You'd expect the front portion
> of the cam to be the part most likely to break.
> Larry
>
> Bob Kramer wrote:
>> Bob,
>>
>> Larry Young, who is designing camshafts for some of the FOT, likes to
>> use new blanks rather than regrind for his race camshafts. His
>> thinking is that during the regrind they also reduce the diamter of
>> the shaft to keep it smaller than the base of the lobes. He is worried
>> about your exact problem. Maybe he'll chime in.
>>
>> Bob K
>> Austin TX
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue Oct  6 09:28:14 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:28:14 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Big Bore Bash - Willow Springs November
Message-ID: <d60.59ee1b68.37fcbc0e@cs.com>

SOCAL FOT,

It looks like Kent Howard (original TR4A owner) and I will attend the VARA 
Big Bash Bore event at Willow Springs in November.

Interested in who will be there and can bring stuff if anyone needs 
anything.

Joe Alexander

From mlbruner53 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  6 10:20:17 2009
From: mlbruner53 at yahoo.com (Michael Bruner)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:20:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Big Bore Bash - Willow Springs November
In-Reply-To: <d60.59ee1b68.37fcbc0e@cs.com>
Message-ID: <324497.56751.qm@web54111.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I'm planning on being there and I have a whole truck of spares your welcome to
share.  Looking forward to seeing you there.

Mike Bruner
TR4A - #612
Blacksmith Racing

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From: N197TR4 at cs.com <N197TR4 at cs.com>
Subject: [Fot] Big Bore Bash - Willow Springs November
To: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 8:28 AM


SOCAL FOT,

It looks like Kent Howard (original TR4A owner) and I will attend the VARA
Big Bash Bore event at Willow Springs in November.

Interested in who will be there and can bring stuff if anyone needs
anything.

Joe Alexander
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Oct  6 11:18:46 2009
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:18:46 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] Big Bore Bash - Willow Springs November
Message-ID: <33505400.1254849526897.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I'll be there with the  TR3.  Look forward to seeing you, Joe.



~Steve

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>Subject: [Fot] Big Bore Bash - Willow Springs November
>
>SOCAL FOT,
>
>It looks like Kent Howard (original TR4A owner) and I will attend the VARA 
>Big Bash Bore event at Willow Springs in November.
>
>Interested in who will be there and can bring stuff if anyone needs 
>anything.
>
>Joe Alexander
>
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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct  6 12:11:06 2009
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:11:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] blackhawk farms racers
Message-ID: <909435.27306.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

looking for motel info .... for those who frequent Blackhawk Farms in Beloit,
Wi.   Has anyone ever stayed at the "Riverside Motel", or know anything about
it?????  Would like to hear what its like ...
  Thanks in advance,


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire

From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct  6 12:17:43 2009
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:17:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] blackhawk farms racers ...
Message-ID: <803949.10461.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

looking for motel info .... for those who frequent Blackhawk Farms in Beloit,
Wi.   Has anyone ever stayed at the "Riverside Motel", or know anything about
it?????  Would like to hear what its like ...
  Thanks in advance,


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire

From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue Oct  6 18:49:51 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:49:51 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Cross country Stag Sighting
Message-ID: <BLU116-W29A524EA645A490032D1C790CD0@phx.gbl>

I am here in Las Vegas for a convention and went to the parking Garage here at
the Hilton Gardens and sighted a Triumph Stag, in running condition.  It was
the cross country Stag.  Good luck on the rest of your trip, I assume the
return......Cheers Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM

From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Wed Oct  7 01:53:16 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 01:53:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TTA Stag
Message-ID: <BLU116-W2439FFEED8E8535AFD955990CD0@phx.gbl>

Just got in, didn't see any FOT shirts at the Playboy Club.  TTA Stag is still
here, is there an emergency I can help
with?????...................................         Cheers Henry Morrison,
Albuquerque, NM Currently Las Vegas.........................

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Oct  7 07:42:15 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:42:15 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Southwick Axles - NFI - Transport Cores from CA to IL
Message-ID: <bde.54ff8319.37fdf4b7@cs.com>

FOT:

If someone on the west coast wants to have a TR3/TR4Southwick Axle done. I 
can volunteer to transport one or two from California to Southwick and save 
you shipping charges.

You must have a good axle housing with backing plates.....no internals and 
clean.
You must make arrangements with Southwick for the work and payment yourself.

I will be at Willow Springs for the Big Bore Bash. 8-9 Nov. If you have one 
lying about and want to donate (get rid of it) to some other person for 
their cost avoidance, donate it.  Jack & I left off 4 or 5 for TR Racers to use 
and they are gone now.

Joe Alexander

From Group44TR7 at aol.com  Wed Oct  7 12:49:24 2009
From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 14:49:24 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Michael Porter Please
Message-ID: <d5f.5960384c.37fe3cb4@aol.com>

Michael
 
        Please let me know how to  best contact you
 
Cary Perket

From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 09:08:38 2009
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:08:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 limited slip??
Message-ID: <4ACE0076.8050203@gmail.com>

I'm currently planning some work on my street TR3A at the end of the 
year.  My car really needs help in the rear wheel traction department.

I'm looking for a Limited slip to install in my TR3.  Does anyone have a 
good condition Quaif or Salisbury sitting on the shelf that they might 
wish to sell?  Lacking that can you point me in the direction of where I 
could purchase a new one?

My anticipated purchase date would be in late December.

Thanks,

Teriann

From markvaden at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 10:55:09 2009
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:55:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 limited slip??
In-Reply-To: <4ACE0076.8050203@gmail.com>
References: <4ACE0076.8050203@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <285b8a860910080955x3dd11286m6df73bfc810d8bff@mail.gmail.com>

I think my buddy Randy at HeritageMotorsports can get a pretty good
deal on a new quaife. His shops number is 619 447 0025.

-Mark

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 8:08 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
wrote:
> I'm currently planning some work on my street TR3A at the end of the year.
>  My car really needs help in the rear wheel traction department.
>
> I'm looking for a Limited slip to install in my TR3.  Does anyone have a
> good condition Quaif or Salisbury sitting on the shelf that they might wish
> to sell?  Lacking that can you point me in the direction of where I could
> purchase a new one?
>
> My anticipated purchase date would be in late December.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Teriann
>
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From rikrock at aol.com  Thu Oct  8 11:35:33 2009
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 13:35:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
Message-ID: <8CC1654DF4538CC-8690-1D118@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>

Sure to make the purists cringe!



http://formula-ccm.tripod.com/old-car-pics.html



Rich Rock

From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Oct  8 12:17:44 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:17:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
References: <8CC1654DF4538CC-8690-1D118@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <221B6AD861FD45A8AA09B49BD78220B6@Bud>

thanks Rich....wonderful stuff!..and the entry fees were 20 bucks
Racer Bud
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Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3


> Sure to make the purists cringe!
> 
> 
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> http://formula-ccm.tripod.com/old-car-pics.html
> 
> 
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Oct  8 12:27:25 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:27:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
In-Reply-To: <8CC1654DF4538CC-8690-1D118@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
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Message-ID: <8CC165C1D19FC90-3F58-96D9@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com>

Great trip down memory lane.



Corvair Comment: I once changed a Corvair clutch by unbolting everything and lifting the? rear of the body off with my dad's endloader and a chain, leaving the engine sitting on the floor. 



Sign of The Times....1967-1976:? I was reading the TR6 factory manual today. It says, 'begin working on the TR6 BY FIRST TYING YOUR? LONG HAIR BEHIND YOUR HEAD'.

-----Original Message-----
From: rikrock at aol.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2009 12:35 pm
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3




Sure to make the purists cringe!



http://formula-ccm.tripod.com/old-car-pics.html



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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct  8 12:36:21 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:36:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS limited slip
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References: <4ACE0076.8050203@gmail.com>
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AMICI - while we are on the subject again.
Which do you think would be harder on the 'U'joints in an IRS TR.
1) a welded diff or
2) a detriot locker

Thanks
Dennis

From billb at bnj.com  Thu Oct  8 12:40:55 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:40:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
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Message-ID: <F2B56A1A-42A6-477E-B1CD-A3A08454D4E8@bnj.com>

great pictures!

On Oct 8, 2009, at 10:35 AM, rikrock at aol.com wrote:

> Sure to make the purists cringe!
>
>
>
> http://formula-ccm.tripod.com/old-car-pics.html
>
>
>
> Rich Rock
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Thu Oct  8 13:52:43 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:52:43 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
In-Reply-To: <8CC1654DF4538CC-8690-1D118@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC1654DF4538CC-8690-1D118@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <f83baf96af48.4ace430b@optonline.net>

Great pics!  Thanks Rich.



----- Original Message -----
From: rikrock at aol.com
Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009 2:05 pm
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
To: fot at autox.team.net

> Sure to make the purists cringe!
> 
> 
> 
> http://formula-ccm.tripod.com/old-car-pics.html
> 
> 
> 
> Rich Rock
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Thu Oct  8 13:57:14 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:57:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS limited slip
In-Reply-To: <797204.72304.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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	<797204.72304.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Dennis,

I have a TR4A and I have upgraded to the Moss Europe rear hubs and
half-shafts. I have a Detroit Locket but I wouldn't worry about the u-joints
with a welded diff with these axles. The u-joints are much beefier, as is
everything else. Richard Good also sells a half shaft coversion for a TR6 that
should be as "good".

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Dennis DeLap
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:36 PM
To: TeriAnn J. Wakeman; FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 IRS limited slip

AMICI - while we are on the subject again.
Which do you think would be harder on the 'U'joints in an IRS TR.
1) a welded diff or
2) a detriot locker

Thanks
Dennis
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 16:49:50 2009
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:49:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Diff question
Message-ID: <4ACE6C8E.3040105@gmail.com>

I occurred to me that I'm not familiar with a Salisbury carrier except 
seeing it mentioned on this list.  Is it a locker or an automatic torque 
biasing diff?

I know a Quaife would work for me but I prefer something that is just a 
little more aggressive at transferring torque and I want to stay away 
from a locker.

Thanks

Teriann

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Oct  8 16:52:45 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:52:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] some Sam Halkias photos from Road america
References: <4ACE0076.8050203@gmail.com><797204.72304.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A061693CE9E@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <296AEDD4BF5A45779C7FC7F90B8BEC9A@latitudefb1e41>

http://www.flickr.com/photos/len5/sets/72157622356528325/?page=3

From billb at bnj.com  Thu Oct  8 17:46:54 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:46:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Diff question
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References: <4ACE6C8E.3040105@gmail.com>
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Well then that would be a Salisbury.  Salisbury is a clutch-type diff,  
which can be adjusted to be far more aggressive than a quaife. Not  
cheap, and it's a good idea to figure out a way to cool them, like  
perhaps a finned diff cover, but they are da kine (beginning mental  
prep to bail to maui).
On Oct 8, 2009, at 3:49 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote:

> I occurred to me that I'm not familiar with a Salisbury carrier  
> except seeing it mentioned on this list.  Is it a locker or an  
> automatic torque biasing diff?
>
> I know a Quaife would work for me but I prefer something that is  
> just a little more aggressive at transferring torque and I want to  
> stay away from a locker.
>
> Thanks
>
> Teriann
>
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Thu Oct  8 17:56:54 2009
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:56:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] some Sam Halkias photos from Road america
In-Reply-To: <296AEDD4BF5A45779C7FC7F90B8BEC9A@latitudefb1e41>
References: <4ACE0076.8050203@gmail.com><797204.72304.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <000001ca4873$048849c0$0d98dd40$@racer@comcast.net>

Speaking of Sam, he received a nice mention in the Runoffs coverage in the
Oct. 5 issue of Autoweek.  Two pages of coverage with the following
paragraph about Sam: 

"The race was won by Sam Halkias in his ancient Triumph TR6, he finessed his
way through the field from a 10th place starting sport.  Halkias, who had
competed in 21 previous Runoffs, had missed only one - a couple of years
ago, after a stroke - and had never won the race.  He had been coming since
1972 as a spectator - his father died at the Runoffs, he said - and he began
crying during the post race driver interviews.  'Tears of joy', I assure you
he said, 'This means so much'".  

The article finished after the above with "That's the SCCA at its best, and
it was pretty darn good for the Runoffs".

Congratulations Sam.

Gary 
62 TR4
69 TR6

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Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 3:53 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] some Sam Halkias photos from Road america

http://www.flickr.com/photos/len5/sets/72157622356528325/?page=3
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From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Thu Oct  8 18:31:37 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:31:37 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Diff question
Message-ID: <bcd.586ae746.37ffde69@aol.com>

You can get both items from Racetorations in the UK.  I have them in  my TR 
3B.  Not cheap but very good.
 
Gary Fuqua
Classic Sports Cars
Branson, MO

From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 21:47:18 2009
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:47:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Diff question
In-Reply-To: <19D9BA10-97CA-4F37-BB99-EB2D61F4C31F@bnj.com>
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	<19D9BA10-97CA-4F37-BB99-EB2D61F4C31F@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <4ACEB246.80208@gmail.com>

Bill Babcock wrote:
> Well then that would be a Salisbury.  Salisbury is a clutch-type diff, 
> which can be adjusted to be far more aggressive than a quaife. Not 
> cheap, and it's a good idea to figure out a way to cool them, like 
> perhaps a finned diff cover, but they are da kine (beginning mental 
> prep to bail to maui).

Thanks for the clarification Bill.  As it happens, my car already has a 
finned magnesium extra capacity diff cover.

Now all I need is a good used Salisbury carrier for a TR3A.  Anyone have 
one on the shelf?

Teriann

From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Fri Oct  9 05:50:01 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:50:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
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  WOW! Does this bring back some memories!
  I also went to the Glen USGP for the first time in '68; I guess that was
the start of my downfall. I still have my tickets, also. I swore that some
day I'd race there; 39 years later, I did the SVRA Vintage GP. Had a blast.

  We called them "field cars" at my place. I had a '49 Ford and my pal Andy
had a '50 Chevy. Buddy Mike had something, not sure what. After our crops
were taken off one field, in the Fall of '66, I think, I made an oval by
using my dad's 8 foot disc. Had slight banking on the turns using the
existing terrain. We took the mufflers off and tied the doors shut for
safety and had at it. After a while we stopped to let the dust settle and
noticed several cars had stopped along the road to watch! Great fun. Un
fortunately, no photos.

  Great photos.
  As Bob Hope once said, thanks for the memories>
  Bill----- Original Message -----
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  Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:35 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3


  > Sure to make the purists cringe!
  >
  >
  >
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  >
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From triosan at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 08:05:42 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:05:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Diff question
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Try Ken Gillanders at British Frame and Engine.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 8:47 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Bill Babcock wrote:
>>
>> Well then that would be a Salisbury.  Salisbury is a clutch-type diff,
>> which can be adjusted to be far more aggressive than a quaife. Not cheap,
>> and it's a good idea to figure out a way to cool them, like perhaps a
finned
>> diff cover, but they are da kine (beginning mental prep to bail to maui).
>
> Thanks for the clarification Bill.  As it happens, my car already has a
> finned magnesium extra capacity diff cover.
>
> Now all I need is a good used Salisbury carrier for a TR3A.  Anyone have
one
> on the shelf?
>
> Teriann
>
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> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
>
>



--
Chuck Arnold

From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Fri Oct  9 09:13:10 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:13:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Who asked us about wanting an Amphicar?
Message-ID: <E98C9FB0-DA9D-4686-BCF3-9E2B674611D9@141.com>

Please shoot me an email--I apologize, we have forgotten who asked us  
about it.

Susan     :)


Sent from my iPhone

From riverside at southslope.net  Fri Oct  9 09:21:50 2009
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:21:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] e-mail problem
Message-ID: <001c01ca48f4$3994beb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>

I hate to bomb the group with this problem, but i have several months
of FOT e-mails that i cannot access and there are several that i
really need.

For some reason beyond my comprehension, my outlook express
created a second in box and will not let me into my
old one.  it is still in the outlook express location.  My tech support
people don't know what to do.

Can anybody in the group suggest a fix or a source for tech help
that can?    Thanks

From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Fri Oct  9 09:58:50 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:58:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
In-Reply-To: <014601ca48d6$a2a64f90$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <6CFC01B19D704FF38FBDAB3DFDF37C4B@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

The "field cars" comment brought back some memories of Ireland.  A few years
ago, my wife and I were visiting Ireland and spotted a notice in the window
of a grocery store that said "Autograss Racing this Sunday" and gave the
location.  We thought it said autocross racing, so when we went to find the
track that Sunday we were not sure what we were in for.

Sure enough, it was an oval plowed out of a working pasture.  Had to drive
the rental car through disinfectant because of the hoof and mouth disease
that year.  First thing we heard when we opened the car door was the mother
in the car next to us hollering at her kids "I told you to watch where you
were walking!".

Anyway it was a great event.  60-80 cars from small sedans to rear engined
buggys made from front engined cars.  They all had heavy metal mesh instead
of a windshield since the track had millions of rocks the size of your fist
in the dirt surface.  The heats were only about 5 laps long and the
announcer sounded like he was calling a horse race - couldn't understand a
thing he said.  Spectators were held back about 50 ft from the main straight
by a rope.  Grassroots racing at it's finest.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of WILLIAM TOBIN
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 4:50 AM
To: rikrock at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Unusual TR-3


  WOW! Does this bring back some memories!
  I also went to the Glen USGP for the first time in '68; I guess that was
the start of my downfall. I still have my tickets, also. I swore that some
day I'd race there; 39 years later, I did the SVRA Vintage GP. Had a blast.

  We called them "field cars" at my place. I had a '49 Ford and my pal Andy
had a '50 Chevy. Buddy Mike had something, not sure what. After our crops
were taken off one field, in the Fall of '66, I think, I made an oval by
using my dad's 8 foot disc. Had slight banking on the turns using the
existing terrain. We took the mufflers off and tied the doors shut for
safety and had at it. After a while we stopped to let the dust settle and
noticed several cars had stopped along the road to watch! Great fun. Un
fortunately, no photos.

  Great photos.
  As Bob Hope once said, thanks for the memories>
  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: <rikrock at aol.com>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:35 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3


  > Sure to make the purists cringe!
  >
  >
  >
  > http://formula-ccm.tripod.com/old-car-pics.html
  >
  >
  >
  > Rich Rock
  >
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From bownes at seiri.com  Fri Oct  9 11:35:31 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:35:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
In-Reply-To: <6CFC01B19D704FF38FBDAB3DFDF37C4B@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
References: <014601ca48d6$a2a64f90$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
	<6CFC01B19D704FF38FBDAB3DFDF37C4B@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330910091035p7e10a7bbkbdc34def1d52c64@mail.gmail.com>

Ah.. field cars. Mine was a Pontiac Tempest. There was an old pre-war Ford
out in the
woods I always dreamed out saving , but never could figure out the logistics
of explaining it
to my GM employed father.


On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Norlin Engineering <
norlinengineering at comcast.net> wrote:

> The "field cars" comment brought back some memories of Ireland.  A few
> years
> ago, my wife and I were visiting Ireland and spotted a notice in the window
> of a grocery store that said "Autograss Racing this Sunday" and gave the
> location.  We thought it said autocross racing, so when we went to find the
> track that Sunday we were not sure what we were in for.
>
> Sure enough, it was an oval plowed out of a working pasture.  Had to drive
> the rental car through disinfectant because of the hoof and mouth disease
> that year.  First thing we heard when we opened the car door was the mother
> in the car next to us hollering at her kids "I told you to watch where you
> were walking!".
>
> Anyway it was a great event.  60-80 cars from small sedans to rear engined
> buggys made from front engined cars.  They all had heavy metal mesh instead
> of a windshield since the track had millions of rocks the size of your fist
> in the dirt surface.  The heats were only about 5 laps long and the
> announcer sounded like he was calling a horse race - couldn't understand a
> thing he said.  Spectators were held back about 50 ft from the main
> straight
> by a rope.  Grassroots racing at it's finest.
>
> Jim Norlin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of WILLIAM TOBIN
> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 4:50 AM
> To: rikrock at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
>
>
>  WOW! Does this bring back some memories!
>  I also went to the Glen USGP for the first time in '68; I guess that was
> the start of my downfall. I still have my tickets, also. I swore that some
> day I'd race there; 39 years later, I did the SVRA Vintage GP. Had a blast.
>
>  We called them "field cars" at my place. I had a '49 Ford and my pal Andy
> had a '50 Chevy. Buddy Mike had something, not sure what. After our crops
> were taken off one field, in the Fall of '66, I think, I made an oval by
> using my dad's 8 foot disc. Had slight banking on the turns using the
> existing terrain. We took the mufflers off and tied the doors shut for
> safety and had at it. After a while we stopped to let the dust settle and
> noticed several cars had stopped along the road to watch! Great fun. Un
> fortunately, no photos.
>
>  Great photos.
>  As Bob Hope once said, thanks for the memories>
>  Bill----- Original Message -----
>  From: <rikrock at aol.com>
>  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>  Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:35 PM
>  Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
>
>
>  > Sure to make the purists cringe!
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > http://formula-ccm.tripod.com/old-car-pics.html
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Rich Rock
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
>  >
>  > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>  >
>  > http://www.fot-racing.com
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>  >
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>  > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
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> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Oct  9 22:25:44 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:25:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] tr3 hot plugs
In-Reply-To: <7.1.0.9.0.20091009231924.10271be0@tonydrews.com>
References: <BLU147-W2490C66DACC82D4299D591DDCC0@phx.gbl>
	<634160.88292.qm@web111618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<258392.88369.qm@web111615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<7.1.0.9.0.20091009231924.10271be0@tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <20091010042611.2772618764D@autox.team.net>


From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Oct 10 02:24:29 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 02:24:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] e-mail problem
In-Reply-To: <001c01ca48f4$3994beb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <001c01ca48f4$3994beb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <4AD044BD.5060009@bradakis.com>

>  but i have several months
> of FOT e-mails that i cannot access and there are several that i
> really need.
>
>
>   


I can't help with Outlook, and will refrain from offering my opinion on
that, uh, fine software, but I will point out that past FOT emails can be
found at http://www.team.net/archive


mjb.

From munsonsb at telus.net  Sat Oct 10 11:16:22 2009
From: munsonsb at telus.net (munsonsb at telus.net)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:16:22 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Fot] Canadian Newbie - Introduction
Message-ID: <9083184.2303787.1255194982252.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes95>

Hi All - My Name is Barry Munson and I live in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.
First I want to thank Joe Alexander for his introduction and my nomination to Fot. As a component of that nomination he asked that I prepare a short personal synopsis and I must admit that I have been enjoying the benefits of being on the Fot list without fulfilling that request. So here goes........
I am a racer, a builder, a breaker, and a teacher. I am an aquatic toxicologist by training and I worked for the Canadian federal Environment department for 30+ yrs.and I don't have to worry about the work/play balance any more.
My current summer race car is a 1970 Volvo P1800 which I built in 1978 and have been pounding it around race tracks in western Canada for every year since. I run the car 4 to 6 times a year in the national GT3 class which is highly competitive with very strong - and much younger - cars, primarily from Japan. We, the car and me, which I refer to the "centenary plus" team - the age of the car plus the age of the driver exceeds 100 - very seldom win any more but sure do have fun. I do, however, run it hard as I remain a racer at heart. The highlight this year was participating in the support race immediately prior to the Indy Car race here in Edmonton on a temporary airport track. Racing in front of 80,000 people is kind of cool - more on that in a later note.
Summer racing up here starts in early June and is finished in early September. Which means that by December the go-fast bug starts to itch and to scratch it I have a 1975 Datsun 280Z which I race on the ice from Jan. to Mar. Fast fun car as it reaches in excess of 100mph on the front straights of the courses the we plow on a lake.
I am a chief driving instructor and I organize and teach at about 10 driving schools a year on a voluntary basis.
Connection to Triumph - when I was in university and single I had a 1961 powder blue TR3A. I had that car for 3 years, which also means 3 winters and up here it isn't the brightest move to have an English side-curtain car as your main means of transportation when its -20C outside. Man I loved that car, however sanity prevailed with marriage and I sold it. Fast forward 40 years to a 1980 Ford motorhome with an enclosed 40 ft. trailer behind humping north along the I-29 from Kansas City MO with a treasure inside. Upon arrival at the US-Canada border, the US customs officer got a chuckle out of what was in the trailer and the description on the transfer of title - "barn car" - a primrose yellow 1959 TR3A. So "Barnie" is home and the adventure begins.
The first piece of advice that I got from Fot was to buy Kas's books which I did - man what a head start that has given me. As I move through Barnie's reincarnation to a fast road car that can hold its own on the track - remember once a racer always a racer - I hope that I will be able to contribute to this group as much as I am getting out of it. 
Thanks. 
Barry.

From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sat Oct 10 14:57:19 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:57:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] A few more pictures from CRC added
Message-ID: <23DA9DFE13314AE8A48FB4B05F60C3CD@desktop>

http://uploadingit.com/f/JM5IWVBYMCWY2DYG

From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Oct 10 15:56:40 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:56:40 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A few more pictures from CRC added
In-Reply-To: <23DA9DFE13314AE8A48FB4B05F60C3CD@desktop>
References: <23DA9DFE13314AE8A48FB4B05F60C3CD@desktop>
Message-ID: <4AD10318.80104@bradakis.com>

Gee, thanks.  Yet another batch of great photos to remind me of what
a fantastic event I missed.  I hate you all!  Harummph!

mjb.

From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 10 16:20:41 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:20:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A few more pictures from CRC added
In-Reply-To: <4AD10318.80104@bradakis.com>
References: <23DA9DFE13314AE8A48FB4B05F60C3CD@desktop>
	<4AD10318.80104@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <1942705F-BA5A-4E40-98C7-2BD0ADEC8AAE@earthlink.net>

Mark,
I've heard shingles get worse before they get better. That's why I  
haven't sent your FoT -Kastner Cup T-Shirt yet.
What's your mailing address?

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Oct 10, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:

> Gee, thanks.  Yet another batch of great photos to remind me of what
> a fantastic event I missed.  I hate you all!  Harummph!
>
> mjb.
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Oct 10 16:23:09 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:23:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Canadian Newbie - Introduction
References: <9083184.2303787.1255194982252.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes95>
Message-ID: <59CE48F1638E4390AF348FBF1032EEF3@Bud>

Welcome Barry!
.....There's a very competitive p-1800 racing SCCA out here in S.F. region 
..Bruce Ackerman..i'm not sure if he runs GT3 or EP
Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..sonoma, Ca.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <munsonsb at telus.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>; <mark at bradakis.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Canadian Newbie - Introduction


> Hi All - My Name is Barry Munson and I live in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.
> First I want to thank Joe Alexander for his introduction and my nomination 
> to Fot. As a component of that nomination he asked that I prepare a short 
> personal synopsis and I must admit that I have been enjoying the benefits 
> of being on the Fot list without fulfilling that request. So here 
> goes........
> I am a racer, a builder, a breaker, and a teacher. I am an aquatic 
> toxicologist by training and I worked for the Canadian federal Environment 
> department for 30+ yrs.and I don't have to worry about the work/play 
> balance any more.
> My current summer race car is a 1970 Volvo P1800 which I built in 1978 and 
> have been pounding it around race tracks in western Canada for every year 
> since. I run the car 4 to 6 times a year in the national GT3 class which 
> is highly competitive with very strong - and much younger - cars, 
> primarily from Japan. We, the car and me, which I refer to the "centenary 
> plus" team - the age of the car plus the age of the driver exceeds 100 - 
> very seldom win any more but sure do have fun. I do, however, run it hard 
> as I remain a racer at heart. The highlight this year was participating in 
> the support race immediately prior to the Indy Car race here in Edmonton 
> on a temporary airport track. Racing in front of 80,000 people is kind of 
> cool - more on that in a later note.
> Summer racing up here starts in early June and is finished in early 
> September. Which means that by December the go-fast bug starts to itch and 
> to scratch it I have a 1975 Datsun 280Z which I race on the ice from Jan. 
> to Mar. Fast fun car as it reaches in excess of 100mph on the front 
> straights of the courses the we plow on a lake.
> I am a chief driving instructor and I organize and teach at about 10 
> driving schools a year on a voluntary basis.
> Connection to Triumph - when I was in university and single I had a 1961 
> powder blue TR3A. I had that car for 3 years, which also means 3 winters 
> and up here it isn't the brightest move to have an English side-curtain 
> car as your main means of transportation when its -20C outside. Man I 
> loved that car, however sanity prevailed with marriage and I sold it. Fast 
> forward 40 years to a 1980 Ford motorhome with an enclosed 40 ft. trailer 
> behind humping north along the I-29 from Kansas City MO with a treasure 
> inside. Upon arrival at the US-Canada border, the US customs officer got a 
> chuckle out of what was in the trailer and the description on the transfer 
> of title - "barn car" - a primrose yellow 1959 TR3A. So "Barnie" is home 
> and the adventure begins.
> The first piece of advice that I got from Fot was to buy Kas's books which 
> I did - man what a head start that has given me. As I move through 
> Barnie's reincarnation to a fast road car that can hold its own on the 
> track - remember once a racer always a racer - I hope that I will be able 
> to contribute to this group as much as I am getting out of it.
> Thanks.
> Barry.
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net
>
> Fot at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

From rblake36 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 10 21:13:38 2009
From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:13:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
In-Reply-To: <221B6AD861FD45A8AA09B49BD78220B6@Bud>
Message-ID: <560785.7884.qm@web58503.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Rich,
 
Great pictures and commentary, particularly the comment about Stuckers.  I
remember scrounging parts there on Saturday morning to get my Alpine running
well enough to get me to work the following week.
 
Bob Blake


--- On Thu, 10/8/09, RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:


From: RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
To: fot at autox.team.net, rikrock at aol.com
Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 1:17 PM


thanks Rich....wonderful stuff!..and the entry fees were 20 bucks
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- From: <rikrock at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3


> Sure to make the purists cringe!
>
>
>
> http://formula-ccm.tripod.com/old-car-pics.html
>
>
>
> Rich Rock
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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>
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You are subscribed as rblake36 at yahoo.com

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spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sat Oct 10 21:33:04 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:33:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] A few more pictures from CRC added
References: <23DA9DFE13314AE8A48FB4B05F60C3CD@desktop>
Message-ID: <F3B2C4F4F35740CCB11504AC03C0FF86@desktop>

I just added a few more.  Enjoy.  http://uploadingit.com/f/JM5IWVBYMCWY2DYG

Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charly Mitchel" <charly at mitchelplumbing.com>
To: "Mark York" <m-syork at comcast.net>; "Jeff Quick" <quicktr4 at comcast.net>; 
<jcjcarrera at comcast.net>; "Steve Hare" <haretoday at comcast.net>; "Friends" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 1:57 PM
Subject: [Fot] A few more pictures from CRC added


> http://uploadingit.com/f/JM5IWVBYMCWY2DYG
>
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From rblake36 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 13:05:19 2009
From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:05:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Pictures from TWS Drivers School
Message-ID: <85926.7870.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Listed below are some links to folks who took pictures at TWS during the
SeptemberB  event and have graciously offered to shareB  theB fruits of their
labor.B  I got these links from Don Gwynne, #89 Ford Escort racer, with whom
these gentlemen orginally communicated their willingness to share.
B 
Bob Blake


B 
Message-----
From: Brian A. Hare [mailto:bahare at tamu.edu]
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 2:28 AM
To: dgwynne3 at tx.rr.com
Subject: CVAR @ TWS
B 
B 
Here are some of the pictures I edited down. Feel free to send the link out to
the racers. I have pictures of everyone out there, I believe.
Feel free to give people my e-mail if they want me to see if I have pictures
of them. I didn't post pictures of all the cars.
B 
http://picasaweb.google.com/brian.hare
B 
Thanks,
Brian A. Hare
bahare at tamu.edu
B 
------------------------------------
B 
Alsob&
B 
350 photos posted here:
http://netviper. smugmug.com/
B 
Photographer's name is Jorden Perrett, and like Brian Hare, above, he has
graciously given permission for CVAR racers to download their own photos from
his site.
B 
B 

From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Sun Oct 11 15:46:06 2009
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:46:06 EDT
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
Message-ID: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com>

Donna Mae passed away, age 81.  They had her sitting behind the wheel in 
her Corvette in the funeral home -- rather than in a casket.  We just got back 
from the viewing.  They had an automatic projector running, showing many of 
her racing scenes.</HTML>

From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Oct 11 17:32:49 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:32:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
In-Reply-To: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com>
References: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ADD19003783D4DE7ABBB3EEF66645725@joepentiumnew>

What a way to go out?  The only thing that could possibly be better would be
for her to be sitting behind the wheel of her Pink TR3!

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of WEmery7451 at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 2:46 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing

Donna Mae passed away, age 81.  They had her sitting behind the wheel in 
her Corvette in the funeral home -- rather than in a casket.  We just got
back 
from the viewing.  They had an automatic projector running, showing many of 
her racing scenes.</HTML>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Oct 11 18:06:31 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:06:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
In-Reply-To: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com>
References: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4AD27307.1020600@bradakis.com>

Odd, but appropriate.

mjb.

From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Sun Oct 11 18:23:17 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:23:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
In-Reply-To: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com>
References: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4AD276F5.8090708@141.com>

/BLEyqA: Permission denied

From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Oct 11 18:54:53 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:54:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
References: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com>
  <4AD27307.1020600@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <7B2C86D087BF4437A6082CB0CAC07EFA@Bud>

It must have surprised a few people to say the least!...>>>When I think back 
about all of the cars I've had, and try to decide which one I'd like to sit 
in when I'm dead..None of em' ring quite  the right tone.<<<<..Now as far as 
what car I'd like to be in while alive,.... I wonder if 3 people could fit 
into Danica's Indy Car...Me...Danica...and Sophia Loren..
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing


> Odd, but appropriate.
>
> mjb.
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Oct 11 19:12:14 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:12:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
References: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com> <4AD276F5.8090708@141.com>
Message-ID: <346338E953EB4098997A3CF04DFD38FE@Bud>

What's /BLEyqA?
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <WEmery7451 at aol.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing


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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Oct 11 19:47:35 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:47:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
In-Reply-To: <346338E953EB4098997A3CF04DFD38FE@Bud>
Message-ID: <20091012014736032.TCB16243@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com>

> What's /BLEyqA?

The sound the list server makes, when it spits out HTML or RTF posts.

Randall

From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Sun Oct 11 21:07:35 2009
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:07:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: Gallery Invite to 'CVAR'
Message-ID: <004301ca4ae9$2607ef10$6401a8c0@blake1>

Don Couch, editor of the award winning HCTC news letter, took a bunch of
pictures out at TWS during the September Driver's school.  He asked me
to send the link out to the FOT.
 
Enjoy, Don takes some excellent pictures.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: don at dcphotos.com [mailto:don at dcphotos.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 8:03 AM
To: Greg & Alison Blake
Subject: Gallery Invite to 'CVAR'
 
 <http://www.dcphotos.com> DON COUCH PHOTOGRAPHY 
  _____  


You have received an invitation from Don Couch to view an image gallery.

Message from Don:
Hey, 
Finally got these uploaded! Enjoy, 
Don 

To view this gallery, please follow this link:
http://pa.photoshelter.com/c/dcphotos/invite/g/U0000ZNe7eMDm6h0/G0000Ojt
MNupiYVQ/


 
 
  _____  

 <http://www.dcphotos.com> http://www.dcphotos.com 

From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Oct 11 20:30:53 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:30:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
References: <20091012014736032.TCB16243@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8CC807D2B30244989A3175296AD5BAF8@Bud>

thanks..I guess I'm too old to understand...If I pull on the handbrake will 
it make it go sideways?
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randall" <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing


>> What's /BLEyqA?
>
> The sound the list server makes, when it spits out HTML or RTF posts.
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Sun Oct 11 21:00:53 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:00:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Re:  DMM'S Viewing]
Message-ID: <4AD29BE5.3090102@141.com>

Thanks for the info--that's tough to hear, though. I am SO glad I got to 
meet her at VIR in 2004! She was SO full of life and fun. She even wore 
high-heeled pink sneakers to the press conference!

Here's a pic I had posted on theWeb page I put up for the event:
http://www.141.com/vir2004/Donna Mae 1.JPG           

Enjoy!

Susan      :)


WEmery7451 at aol.com wrote:
> Donna Mae passed away, age 81.  They had her sitting behind the wheel in 
> her Corvette in the funeral home -- rather than in a casket.  We just got back 
> from the viewing.  They had an automatic projector running, showing many of 
> her racing scenes.</HTML>
>
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No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationary.


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No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationary.

From billb at bnj.com  Sun Oct 11 22:22:36 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:22:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Re:  DMM'S Viewing]
In-Reply-To: <4AD29BE5.3090102@141.com>
References: <4AD29BE5.3090102@141.com>
Message-ID: <57B86CA2-EE0C-435A-B0DF-F4172611EE57@bnj.com>

Looks like something is missing from the URL. I tried adding  
underscores, but it didn't help.
On Oct 11, 2009, at 8:00 PM, Susan Kahler wrote:

> Thanks for the info--that's tough to hear, though. I am SO glad I  
> got to meet her at VIR in 2004! She was SO full of life and fun. She  
> even wore high-heeled pink sneakers to the press conference!
>
> Here's a pic I had posted on theWeb page I put up for the event:
> http://www.141.com/vir2004/Donna Mae 1.JPG
> Enjoy!
>
> Susan      :)
>
>
> WEmery7451 at aol.com wrote:
>> Donna Mae passed away, age 81.  They had her sitting behind the  
>> wheel in her Corvette in the funeral home -- rather than in a  
>> casket.  We just got back from the viewing.  They had an automatic  
>> projector running, showing many of her racing scenes.</HTML>
>>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Oct 11 23:10:54 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:10:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
In-Reply-To: <57B86CA2-EE0C-435A-B0DF-F4172611EE57@bnj.com>
References: <4AD29BE5.3090102@141.com>
	<57B86CA2-EE0C-435A-B0DF-F4172611EE57@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <4AD2BA5E.3080204@bradakis.com>

> Looks like something is missing from the URL. I tried adding 
> underscores, but it didn't help.


Just go to http://www.141.com/vir2004 and go down the page a bit.


mjb.

From spyderweb at uwalumni.com  Sun Oct 11 23:25:04 2009
From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (Jim Hill)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:25:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Re: DMM'S Viewing]
In-Reply-To: <57B86CA2-EE0C-435A-B0DF-F4172611EE57@bnj.com>
References: <4AD29BE5.3090102@141.com>
	<57B86CA2-EE0C-435A-B0DF-F4172611EE57@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <3afbecf40910112225r31d7d649nd8e4a650806196a4@mail.gmail.com>

Of the Donna Mae Mims photo, Bill Babcock wrote:

> Looks like something is missing from the URL.
> I tried adding underscores, but it didn't help.


Try replacing the blank spaces with   %20
Works for me:

http://www.141.com/vir2004/Donna%20Mae%201.JPG


Jim Hill

From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Oct 11 23:33:09 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:33:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Re:  DMM'S Viewing]
In-Reply-To: <57B86CA2-EE0C-435A-B0DF-F4172611EE57@bnj.com>
References: <4AD29BE5.3090102@141.com>
	<57B86CA2-EE0C-435A-B0DF-F4172611EE57@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <C5BB97E36CE749ED8F3BB4125FB0AD2B@joepentiumnew>

Just clip everything after the vir2004/ and it will come up.
http://www.141.com/vir2004/
Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 9:23 PM
To: Susan Kahler
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] [Fwd: Re: DMM'S Viewing]

Looks like something is missing from the URL. I tried adding  
underscores, but it didn't help.
On Oct 11, 2009, at 8:00 PM, Susan Kahler wrote:

> Thanks for the info--that's tough to hear, though. I am SO glad I  
> got to meet her at VIR in 2004! She was SO full of life and fun. She  
> even wore high-heeled pink sneakers to the press conference!
>
> Here's a pic I had posted on theWeb page I put up for the event:
> http://www.141.com/vir2004/Donna Mae 1.JPG
> Enjoy!
>
> Susan      :)
>
>
> WEmery7451 at aol.com wrote:
>> Donna Mae passed away, age 81.  They had her sitting behind the  
>> wheel in her Corvette in the funeral home -- rather than in a  
>> casket.  We just got back from the viewing.  They had an automatic  
>> projector running, showing many of her racing scenes.</HTML>
>>
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From bentleyblvd at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 12 15:02:42 2009
From: bentleyblvd at yahoo.com (John Hornbostel)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:02:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
Message-ID: <646662.22567.qm@web58204.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Dear Amici,

   With NFI...

   Received below note from a fellow Vitesse owner, offering up for sale a
surplus transmission. He asked if any FOT members might have an interest, to
please contact him via below e-mail address. Believe the item is located in or
near Tulsa, OK.

John


Chad <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>

> I have a surplus Sports 6 / Vitesse transmission I would
> like to sell.  These are special transmissions as they
> have the ratios in them from the factory that make them
> "close ratio".  It is from a 54K original mile car.  I can send pictures
> of the internals to interested parties.
>
> Asking $300.  I can ship cheaply via FedEx ground anywhere
> in the 48 contiguous state via FedEx ground.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chad in Tulsa

From Herald948 at aol.com  Mon Oct 12 16:09:03 2009
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:09:03 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
Message-ID: <bf1.60de2199.380502ff@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/12/2009 5:22:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
bentleyblvd at yahoo.com writes:

Received below note from a  fellow Vitesse owner, offering up for sale a
surplus  transmission.


Chad  <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>

> I have a surplus Sports 6 / Vitesse  transmission I would
> like to sell.  These are special  transmissions as they
> have the ratios in them from the factory that  make them
> "close ratio".  It is from a 54K original mile  car.  I can send pictures
> of the internals to interested  parties.
 
==AM==
 
FYI for anyone who might be interested:
 
"normal" early Spitfire ratios:  1.0 , 1.4 , 2.16 , 3.75 
"normal" early Vitesse/Sports 6 ratios: 1.0 , 1.25 , 1.78 , 2.93  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph 
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 

From billb at bnj.com  Mon Oct 12 17:35:47 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:35:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
In-Reply-To: <646662.22567.qm@web58204.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <646662.22567.qm@web58204.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BEF74E8C-DC39-4C44-B45E-ADC14766111D@bnj.com>

That's a really great deal. If I wasn't in the process of moving stuff  
I'd go for it.
On Oct 12, 2009, at 2:02 PM, John Hornbostel wrote:

> Dear Amici,
>
>   With NFI...
>
>   Received below note from a fellow Vitesse owner, offering up for  
> sale a
> surplus transmission. He asked if any FOT members might have an  
> interest, to
> please contact him via below e-mail address. Believe the item is  
> located in or
> near Tulsa, OK.
>
> John
>
>
> Chad <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>
>
>> I have a surplus Sports 6 / Vitesse transmission I would
>> like to sell.  These are special transmissions as they
>> have the ratios in them from the factory that make them
>> "close ratio".  It is from a 54K original mile car.  I can send  
>> pictures
>> of the internals to interested parties.
>>
>> Asking $300.  I can ship cheaply via FedEx ground anywhere
>> in the 48 contiguous state via FedEx ground.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Chad in Tulsa
>
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Mon Oct 12 18:24:22 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:24:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
In-Reply-To: <bf1.60de2199.380502ff@aol.com>
References: <bf1.60de2199.380502ff@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4030EF8B-8962-4E27-81C9-1D03A645A1E5@comcast.net>

would this work in a GT 6?

On Oct 12, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Herald948 at aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 10/12/2009 5:22:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bentleyblvd at yahoo.com writes:

Received below note from a  fellow Vitesse owner, offering up for sale a
surplus  transmission.


Chad  <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>

> I have a surplus Sports 6 / Vitesse  transmission I would
> like to sell.  These are special  transmissions as they
> have the ratios in them from the factory that  make them
> "close ratio".  It is from a 54K original mile  car.  I can send  
> pictures
> of the internals to interested  parties.

==AM==

FYI for anyone who might be interested:

"normal" early Spitfire ratios:  1.0 , 1.4 , 2.16 , 3.75
"normal" early Vitesse/Sports 6 ratios: 1.0 , 1.25 , 1.78 , 2.93

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er,  
Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/)

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/)
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Oct 12 19:39:14 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:39:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
In-Reply-To: <4030EF8B-8962-4E27-81C9-1D03A645A1E5@comcast.net>
References: <bf1.60de2199.380502ff@aol.com>
	<4030EF8B-8962-4E27-81C9-1D03A645A1E5@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1447C24948A3464CA9CCF0DFF8E41F20@joepentiumnew>

I am pretty sure that if it is from the Vitesse 2 liter, that it is
interchangeable with the GT6 gearbox.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 5:24 PM
To: Herald948 at aol.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission

would this work in a GT 6?

On Oct 12, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Herald948 at aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 10/12/2009 5:22:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bentleyblvd at yahoo.com writes:

Received below note from a  fellow Vitesse owner, offering up for sale a
surplus  transmission.


Chad  <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>

> I have a surplus Sports 6 / Vitesse  transmission I would
> like to sell.  These are special  transmissions as they
> have the ratios in them from the factory that  make them
> "close ratio".  It is from a 54K original mile  car.  I can send  
> pictures
> of the internals to interested  parties.

==AM==

FYI for anyone who might be interested:

"normal" early Spitfire ratios:  1.0 , 1.4 , 2.16 , 3.75
"normal" early Vitesse/Sports 6 ratios: 1.0 , 1.25 , 1.78 , 2.93

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er,  
Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/)

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/)
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From alan at nosbritishparts.com  Mon Oct 12 20:09:49 2009
From: alan at nosbritishparts.com (Alan ...)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:09:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
In-Reply-To: <bf1.60de2199.380502ff@aol.com>
Message-ID: <420790.41274.qm@web1109.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>

I checked my factory parts manuals and the constant pinion shaft and gear
cluster part #'s are the same for the 2 litre Vitesse and early GT6. I think
the 1.6 litre car would be a wider ratio and non-syncro 1st.
 
FWIW,the
GT6/TR7 gearbox is a closer ratio than the Midget 1500 which is closer ratio
than the Spitfire. I think this is correct though I have not built any of
these in about 15 years.

Anyway,it is something to double-check.

Alan T

> I
have a surplus Sports 6 / Vitesse  transmission
> I would
> > like to sell. 
These are special 
> transmissions as they
> > have the ratios in them from
the factory that 
> make them
> > "close ratio".  It is from a 54K original
>
mile  car.  I can send pictures
> > of the internals to interested  parties.
>
> ==AM==
>  
> FYI for anyone who might be interested:
>  
> "normal" early
Spitfire ratios:  1.0 , 1.4 , 2.16 ,
> 3.75 
> "normal" early Vitesse/Sports 6
ratios: 1.0 , 1.25 , 1.78 ,
> 2.93  

From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 12 20:26:11 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:26:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
In-Reply-To: <1447C24948A3464CA9CCF0DFF8E41F20@joepentiumnew>
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	<4030EF8B-8962-4E27-81C9-1D03A645A1E5@comcast.net>
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Sold!
On Oct 12, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Joe Curry wrote:

> I am pretty sure that if it is from the Vitesse 2 liter, that it is
> interchangeable with the GT6 gearbox.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- 
> bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Scott Janzen
> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 5:24 PM
> To: Herald948 at aol.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
>
> would this work in a GT 6?
>
> On Oct 12, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Herald948 at aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/12/2009 5:22:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> bentleyblvd at yahoo.com writes:
>
> Received below note from a  fellow Vitesse owner, offering up for  
> sale a
> surplus  transmission.
>
>
> Chad  <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>
>
>> I have a surplus Sports 6 / Vitesse  transmission I would
>> like to sell.  These are special  transmissions as they
>> have the ratios in them from the factory that  make them
>> "close ratio".  It is from a 54K original mile  car.  I can send
>> pictures
>> of the internals to interested  parties.
>
> ==AM==
>
> FYI for anyone who might be interested:
>
> "normal" early Spitfire ratios:  1.0 , 1.4 , 2.16 , 3.75
> "normal" early Vitesse/Sports 6 ratios: 1.0 , 1.25 , 1.78 , 2.93
>
> --Andy  Mace
>
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er,
> Triumph
> Herald engine with wings.
> --  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)
>
> Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage  
> Triumph
> Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/)
>
> Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph
> Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph- 
> herald.us/)
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From Herald948 at aol.com  Mon Oct 12 20:42:52 2009
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:42:52 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
Message-ID: <cf6.61f1c4c4.3805432c@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/12/2009 10:10:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
alan at nosbritishparts.com writes:

I checked my factory parts  manuals and the constant pinion shaft and gear 
cluster part #'s are the same  for the 2 litre Vitesse and early GT6. I 
think the 1.6 litre car would be a  wider ratio and non-syncro 1st.
==AM==
Right, Alan! The 2L (all-synchro) Vitesse/GT6 gearbox has a 2.65:1 1st  
gear, compared to 2.93:1 on the older, non-synchro-first Vitesse 1600/Sports 6  
box. Other forward ratios are the same And, of course, boxes can't be  
swapped directly between Spitfire and GT6, since the input shaft is a larger  
diameter on the GT6 (amongst other detail differences).  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph 
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 

From Herald948 at aol.com  Mon Oct 12 20:44:23 2009
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:44:23 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
Message-ID: <d50.5a8133de.38054387@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/12/2009 8:24:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
s.janzen at comcast.net writes:

would  this work in a GT 6? 
 
==AM==
Yes, but as mentioned earlier, the Sports 6 gearbox is a non-synchro first, 
 and that first gear is a lower gear than that of the GT6.  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph 
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Oct 13 03:52:18 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:52:18 +0200
Subject: [Fot] A quick lap on the Nurburgring GP track - Qualy Session 2
In-Reply-To: <d50.5a8133de.38054387@aol.com>
References: <d50.5a8133de.38054387@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004901ca4bea$dcdd46c0$9697d440$@com>

Have fun with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udId4mPFj3M

Cheers
Chris

From list at mackenzie.aero  Tue Oct 13 12:44:31 2009
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:44:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] WTB: Spitfire Wheels
Message-ID: <000301ca4c35$3401a0a0$9c04e1e0$@aero>

I am looking to buy two 13X6 Minilite style wheels for my Spitfire.

 

I will buy a set of 4 if you have them, in fact I will look at any 13X6
alloy wheel for the Spitfire.

 

Time to clean out your garage and fill mine up.

 

 

Robert MacKenzie

Austin Texas

 robert at mackenzie.aero

From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Fri Oct 16 18:09:03 2009
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:09:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] nolbc
Message-ID: <8A53A35A304249979B531309A32AD5B8@INSPIRON>

P.L.N. is narrating the documentary "Dale" 8:00 pm est. on Speed Chl.

From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Tue Oct 13 22:18:28 2009
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:18:28 +1100
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAEEsfDCKT8JBvCEM6gpYxDwBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>

Dear List'rs,

 

Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection system,
race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to use?

BOSH? Etc.

 

What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?

 

 

Thanks

 

Kind Regards

Peter Vucinic

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From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Oct 13 22:59:31 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:59:31 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
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Message-ID: <04BD13F5B63D4252911390B0A2D8EE8E@joepentiumnew>

I am running an AutoZone Universal in-Line fuel pump that is set for 50 psi
on both my Spits (one with the Honda Engine and the other with the EFI
1296).

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Peter Vucinic
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:18 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump

Dear List'rs,

 

Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection system,
race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to use?

BOSH? Etc.

 

What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?

 

 

Thanks

 

Kind Regards

Peter Vucinic

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From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Wed Oct 14 01:16:55 2009
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:16:55 +1100
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
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Message-ID: <FFCA84BA74B44DF1AEC1D542F63BC841@GEOFFPC>

Peter
Why change the Lucas unit . The 3 TR6 racing in NSW(Rutledge,Dains, Byrne) 
all use the original unit with no problems . We run Facit push pumps on the 
tank outlets to overcome fuel surge
Geoff
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Vucinic" <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 3:18 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump


> Dear List'rs,
>
>
>
> Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection 
> system,
> race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to 
> use?
>
> BOSH? Etc.
>
>
>
> What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Wed Oct 14 07:44:57 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:44:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
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I don't have fuel injection on a TR6 race car but I do have a TR5 with Lucas
fuel injection.  I recently installed the Bosch pump and filter kit, which I
got from Malcolm Jones at Prestige Injection in the UK, on the car.  I also
modified the fuel tank for outlets on both sides and separate return ports
on the top.  The kit included a new outlet fitting to replace the original
to allow for adequate fuel flow into the pump.  In addition I rewired the
pump adding a fused fuel pump relay and heavier wiring.  The original pump
drew about 5.6 amps and had a voltage drop of 2.8 volts to the pump.  The
new pump draws 9.5 amps with only a 0.75 volt drop at the pump with the
rewiring.  If you need the numbers of the pump and filter I'm sure I have
them somewhere or can get them for you.  The TR6 fuel tank was modified on
the PI cars to overcome some of the problems with the TR5 tank but I don't
know if that tank was used in the carbureted TR6 cars.

I'm currently running 103 PSI at the metering unit but will be increasing
that to about 110 as I am having some intermittent problems and also am not
sure of the accuracy of my fuel pressure gauge.  The 103 could be marginal
and may even be lower if my gauge reads 2% or 3% high, which is typical
standard gauge accuracy.

Tim Murphy

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Peter Vucinic
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:18 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump

Dear List'rs,

 

Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection system,
race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to use?

BOSH? Etc.

 

What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?

 

 

Thanks

 

Kind Regards

Peter Vucinic

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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Oct 14 08:26:13 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:26:13 EDT
Subject: [Fot] KVS-175 VELOCITY STACKS & FINE WIRE MESH FILTERS
Message-ID: <d51.594286bc.38073985@cs.com>

FOT:

Disregard if you do not have these velocity stacks.

I just received a new production run of custom filters for the Kastner 
designed velocity stacks. I have six pair.

I have had inquiries but no product, until yesterday. Bill Hirsch has 
experienced extraordinary success and acceptance with these filters in all 
applications. I feel fortunate that he took on this low volume for the KVS-175.

Additionally, I asked Bill Hirsch to revise the molds for a more secure 
fit.  I am satisfied that he did this after some trial fitting. You may need a 
small amount of 'personal' lubricant to install and this is included.

NOTE: If you had any issues with the first production run filters popping 
off, send back to me and you will receive another pair.  and some personal 
lubricant.

Thanks.........Joe Alexander

From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 08:44:58 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:44:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
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I use a Bosch Fuel Pump  0580254044.  Bought it from:

http://www.allworldautomotive.com/auto_parts_for_sale_bosch_performance_fuel_
pump_ots10832.html

Their price is $200 which no on else touches.  I also put in a Waldron
pressure regulator [expensive and overkill, but this is a race car].
You need a good pressure gauge, preferably liquid filled.  I got the
fittings for the ends of the fuel pump from Mesa Supply.

I posted pictures of my set up at:
http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/NewTR6RaceCarFeb08#

Look for the ones in the third row.

Chuck

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Peter Vucinic <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
wrote:
> Dear List'rs,
>
>
>
> Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection system,
> race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to use?
>
> BOSH? Etc.
>
>
>
> What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
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--
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Wed Oct 14 09:14:41 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:14:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
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Message-ID: <40CC1973D7054F6198C015D3F1C46C63@Charly>

I'm in agreement with Geoff on the Lucas pump.  I've run it for several 
years and only had on problem with it, about 3 weeks ago.  For some reason 
it was dragging a little and only pumped to about 60psi.  I rapped on it and 
it seemed to get going with no problem after that.
I also use a secondary pump to remove the fuel from the tank, push it 
through a large filter and then to the Lucas pump.  The secondary pump is a 
after market copy of a SU double ender.
I had problems with my injection starving on hard cornering.  I use both the 
outlets on the TR6 fuel tank and had them both piped to the secondary pump,. 
The problem was that if I got down to about 3 gallons of fuel the fuel would 
slosh to one side and leave the other side outlet exposed and the secondary 
pump would then suck air and make the PI falter.  I found that if I carried 
7 or 8 gals fuel it wasn't a problem.  To resolve this issue I installed a 
swirl tank in the trunk that holds about 1 liter, and is mounted below the 
main fuel tank.  I can now run a 15 minute race with about 3 gallons of fuel 
instead of 8 gallons.
I had tried a Bosch 058025044, which seems to be the pump everyone is 
recommending, and I didn't think it performed as well as the Lucas pump.  It 
seemed to move to much fuel and it drew a lot of amperage, almost 10 amps. 
I went back to the Lucas and have been happy.  The Bosch pump is a 
submersible pump and might be able to be adapted to fit inside a fuel tank 
or cell.
When my car has been sitting outside, like at a race track and I start it in 
the morning, it pumps around 118 psi.  I think this pressure is due to the 
coolness of the fuel.  After the car has warmed up and the fuel also from 
tank, it seems to settle down to about 106 psi. This pressure is measured at 
the high pressure hose as it attaches to the prv.  I'm not sure how much 
pressure drop there is to the mu and have never checked it there.  I use a 
plastic tubing for fuel injection that I bought from my local hydraulic hose 
supplier. The only other problem I've experienced has been a stuck and a 
clogged injector and it was easily cleared using some air pressure.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Vucinic" <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:18 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump


> Dear List'rs,
>
>
>
> Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection 
> system,
> race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to 
> use?
>
> BOSH? Etc.
>
>
>
> What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
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From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Oct 14 10:01:56 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:01:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] KVS-175 VELOCITY STACKS & FINE WIRE MESH FILTERS
In-Reply-To: <d51.594286bc.38073985@cs.com>
References: <d51.594286bc.38073985@cs.com>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330910140901n545d2670ye7f6aa52f71aa7c@mail.gmail.com>

On that note, if anyone has a set of stacks that will fit the TR6 SU's let
me know offline.

Thanks to a mouse that packed some bedding into the airbox, I set my air
filter on fire the other day when moving the TR6 out of the garage after a
long rest and have decided it's time for an update.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:26 AM, <N197TR4 at cs.com> wrote:

> FOT:
>
> Disregard if you do not have these velocity stacks.
>
> I just received a new production run of custom filters for the Kastner
> designed velocity stacks. I have six pair.
>
> I have had inquiries but no product, until yesterday. Bill Hirsch has
> experienced extraordinary success and acceptance with these filters in all
> applications. I feel fortunate that he took on this low volume for the
> KVS-175.
>
> Additionally, I asked Bill Hirsch to revise the molds for a more secure
> fit.  I am satisfied that he did this after some trial fitting. You may
> need a
> small amount of 'personal' lubricant to install and this is included.
>
> NOTE: If you had any issues with the first production run filters popping
> off, send back to me and you will receive another pair.  and some personal
> lubricant.
>
> Thanks.........Joe Alexander
>
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>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Oct 14 10:04:46 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:04:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAEEsfDCKT8JBvCEM6gpYxDwBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
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Message-ID: <90D8772C994946CFBF45577373846525@Bud>

I'm curious you guys....What kind of horsepower does a racing TR6 put out 
with the fuel injection/versus carbs?
I'll take my answer on the air!
Racer Bud...Spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: "'Peter Vucinic'" <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "'FOT'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump


>I don't have fuel injection on a TR6 race car but I do have a TR5 with 
>Lucas
> fuel injection.  I recently installed the Bosch pump and filter kit, which 
> I
> got from Malcolm Jones at Prestige Injection in the UK, on the car.  I 
> also
> modified the fuel tank for outlets on both sides and separate return ports
> on the top.  The kit included a new outlet fitting to replace the original
> to allow for adequate fuel flow into the pump.  In addition I rewired the
> pump adding a fused fuel pump relay and heavier wiring.  The original pump
> drew about 5.6 amps and had a voltage drop of 2.8 volts to the pump.  The
> new pump draws 9.5 amps with only a 0.75 volt drop at the pump with the
> rewiring.  If you need the numbers of the pump and filter I'm sure I have
> them somewhere or can get them for you.  The TR6 fuel tank was modified on
> the PI cars to overcome some of the problems with the TR5 tank but I don't
> know if that tank was used in the carbureted TR6 cars.
>
> I'm currently running 103 PSI at the metering unit but will be increasing
> that to about 110 as I am having some intermittent problems and also am 
> not
> sure of the accuracy of my fuel pressure gauge.  The 103 could be marginal
> and may even be lower if my gauge reads 2% or 3% high, which is typical
> standard gauge accuracy.
>
> Tim Murphy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Peter Vucinic
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:18 PM
> To: FOT
> Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
>
> Dear List'rs,
>
>
>
> Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection 
> system,
> race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to 
> use?
>
> BOSH? Etc.
>
>
>
> What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
> TR-4
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Wed Oct 14 10:18:21 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:18:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
In-Reply-To: <90D8772C994946CFBF45577373846525@Bud>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAEEsfDCKT8JBvCEM6gpYxDwBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
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	<90D8772C994946CFBF45577373846525@Bud>
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The claimed horsepower for the TR5 with fuel injection was 150, whereas the
TR250 2.5 liter 6 cylinder with carbs was 104 or 105, same as the 4
cylinder.

Tim Murphy

-----Original Message-----
From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:05 AM
To: Tim Murphy; 'Peter Vucinic'; 'FOT'
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump

I'm curious you guys....What kind of horsepower does a racing TR6 put out 
with the fuel injection/versus carbs?
I'll take my answer on the air!
Racer Bud...Spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: "'Peter Vucinic'" <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "'FOT'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump


>I don't have fuel injection on a TR6 race car but I do have a TR5 with 
>Lucas
> fuel injection.  I recently installed the Bosch pump and filter kit, which

> I
> got from Malcolm Jones at Prestige Injection in the UK, on the car.  I 
> also
> modified the fuel tank for outlets on both sides and separate return ports
> on the top.  The kit included a new outlet fitting to replace the original
> to allow for adequate fuel flow into the pump.  In addition I rewired the
> pump adding a fused fuel pump relay and heavier wiring.  The original pump
> drew about 5.6 amps and had a voltage drop of 2.8 volts to the pump.  The
> new pump draws 9.5 amps with only a 0.75 volt drop at the pump with the
> rewiring.  If you need the numbers of the pump and filter I'm sure I have
> them somewhere or can get them for you.  The TR6 fuel tank was modified on
> the PI cars to overcome some of the problems with the TR5 tank but I don't
> know if that tank was used in the carbureted TR6 cars.
>
> I'm currently running 103 PSI at the metering unit but will be increasing
> that to about 110 as I am having some intermittent problems and also am 
> not
> sure of the accuracy of my fuel pressure gauge.  The 103 could be marginal
> and may even be lower if my gauge reads 2% or 3% high, which is typical
> standard gauge accuracy.
>
> Tim Murphy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Peter Vucinic
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:18 PM
> To: FOT
> Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
>
> Dear List'rs,
>
>
>
> Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection 
> system,
> race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to 
> use?
>
> BOSH? Etc.
>
>
>
> What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
> TR-4
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From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Oct 14 10:21:05 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:21:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAEEsfDCKT8JBvCEM6gpYxDwBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
	<001701ca4cd4$85365a70$8fa30f50$@com>
	<90D8772C994946CFBF45577373846525@Bud>
	<001301ca4ce9$f3453350$d9cf99f0$@com>
Message-ID: <6E3B2C03BE8E4FB89F612ED6EC3D39F4@Bud>

Thanks tim..I'm curious about the HP on a Race prepared car?
thanks.
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: "'RACER BUD'" <budscars at comcast.net>; "'Peter Vucinic'" 
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:18 AM
Subject: RE: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump


> The claimed horsepower for the TR5 with fuel injection was 150, whereas 
> the
> TR250 2.5 liter 6 cylinder with carbs was 104 or 105, same as the 4
> cylinder.
>
> Tim Murphy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:05 AM
> To: Tim Murphy; 'Peter Vucinic'; 'FOT'
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
>
> I'm curious you guys....What kind of horsepower does a racing TR6 put out
> with the fuel injection/versus carbs?
> I'll take my answer on the air!
> Racer Bud...Spitfire #21
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
> To: "'Peter Vucinic'" <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "'FOT'"
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
>
>
>>I don't have fuel injection on a TR6 race car but I do have a TR5 with
>>Lucas
>> fuel injection.  I recently installed the Bosch pump and filter kit, 
>> which
>
>> I
>> got from Malcolm Jones at Prestige Injection in the UK, on the car.  I
>> also
>> modified the fuel tank for outlets on both sides and separate return 
>> ports
>> on the top.  The kit included a new outlet fitting to replace the 
>> original
>> to allow for adequate fuel flow into the pump.  In addition I rewired the
>> pump adding a fused fuel pump relay and heavier wiring.  The original 
>> pump
>> drew about 5.6 amps and had a voltage drop of 2.8 volts to the pump.  The
>> new pump draws 9.5 amps with only a 0.75 volt drop at the pump with the
>> rewiring.  If you need the numbers of the pump and filter I'm sure I have
>> them somewhere or can get them for you.  The TR6 fuel tank was modified 
>> on
>> the PI cars to overcome some of the problems with the TR5 tank but I 
>> don't
>> know if that tank was used in the carbureted TR6 cars.
>>
>> I'm currently running 103 PSI at the metering unit but will be increasing
>> that to about 110 as I am having some intermittent problems and also am
>> not
>> sure of the accuracy of my fuel pressure gauge.  The 103 could be 
>> marginal
>> and may even be lower if my gauge reads 2% or 3% high, which is typical
>> standard gauge accuracy.
>>
>> Tim Murphy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Peter Vucinic
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:18 PM
>> To: FOT
>> Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
>>
>> Dear List'rs,
>>
>>
>>
>> Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection
>> system,
>> race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to
>> use?
>>
>> BOSH? Etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards
>>
>> Peter Vucinic
>>
>> TR-4
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From oldspeed72 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 14 10:50:23 2009
From: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com (Mark Vanlake)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:50:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems
Message-ID: <542698.84332.qm@web111006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Just wondering what innovative systems the TR6 racers have developed to
introduce cold air to their (Weber setup in my case) carbs. I have been told
by CVAR that I could not use a headlight opening as an intake and it must be
covered. Also, Is there anyone that has found a way to use louvers or a cowl
type system. I use triple Weber's with the velocity stack filters and with the
fenders in place the first carb has about 2 inches of breathing room. Would
love to see any pictures of your setup. Mark

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Oct 14 11:19:23 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:19:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
In-Reply-To: <001301ca4ce9$f3453350$d9cf99f0$@com>
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	<90D8772C994946CFBF45577373846525@Bud>
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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0910141313520.10496@isis.mit.edu>

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Tim Murphy wrote:

> The claimed horsepower for the TR5 with fuel injection was 150, whereas the
> TR250 2.5 liter 6 cylinder with carbs was 104 or 105, same as the 4
> cylinder.

... except the TR6 is 8.5:1 with a wimpy cam and the TR5 is 9.5:1 with a 
pretty kool (35/65-65/35 timing or 280 degrees of duration vs 256 degrees 
for the fed. spec cam).

Just the PI cam is probably 15 HP, especially when you start moving the 
static compression up above 9:1.

Here's a fun chart:

http://web.archive.org/web/20021204091351/kvaleberg.com/t_tune.html

scroll down to the cam section.

> Tim Murphy

regards,
rml
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From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Oct 14 11:48:07 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:48:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems
References: <542698.84332.qm@web111006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <95D23244BF864F2F81B2A66AE8305D18@Bud>

sneaky stuff but it helped in the old days with TR4s...Try lifting the 
hood(bonnet) up a bit by fiddling with the hinges
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Vanlake" <oldspeed72 at yahoo.com>
To: <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:50 AM
Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems


> Just wondering what innovative systems the TR6 racers have developed to
> introduce cold air to their (Weber setup in my case) carbs. I have been 
> told
> by CVAR that I could not use a headlight opening as an intake and it must 
> be
> covered. Also, Is there anyone that has found a way to use louvers or a 
> cowl
> type system. I use triple Weber's with the velocity stack filters and with 
> the
> fenders in place the first carb has about 2 inches of breathing room. 
> Would
> love to see any pictures of your setup. Mark
>
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Wed Oct 14 11:51:36 2009
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:51:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems
In-Reply-To: <542698.84332.qm@web111006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <542698.84332.qm@web111006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W12BF44801DD7DD76C15E30B2C60@phx.gbl>

Put the headlite cover on a hinge ! closed at tech and slow speed and open
when needed ;)

> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:50:23 -0700
> From: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com
> To: Fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems
>
> Just wondering what innovative systems the TR6 racers have developed to
> introduce cold air to their (Weber setup in my case) carbs. I have been
told
> by CVAR that I could not use a headlight opening as an intake and it must
be
> covered. Also, Is there anyone that has found a way to use louvers or a
cowl
> type system. I use triple Weber's with the velocity stack filters and with
the
> fenders in place the first carb has about 2 inches of breathing room. Would
> love to see any pictures of your setup. Mark
>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Oct 14 13:03:03 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:03:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems
References: <542698.84332.qm@web111006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<BLU136-W12BF44801DD7DD76C15E30B2C60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <B31754618C984E5EA3BDE50E5C904320@Bud>

Tony..that is really cool!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony and Annie Garmey" <horizonracing at msn.com>
To: <oldspeed72 at yahoo.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Air systems


> Put the headlite cover on a hinge ! closed at tech and slow speed and open
> when needed ;)
>
>> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:50:23 -0700
>> From: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com
>> To: Fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems
>>
>> Just wondering what innovative systems the TR6 racers have developed to
>> introduce cold air to their (Weber setup in my case) carbs. I have been
> told
>> by CVAR that I could not use a headlight opening as an intake and it must
> be
>> covered. Also, Is there anyone that has found a way to use louvers or a
> cowl
>> type system. I use triple Weber's with the velocity stack filters and 
>> with
> the
>> fenders in place the first carb has about 2 inches of breathing room. 
>> Would
>> love to see any pictures of your setup. Mark
>>
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Wed Oct 14 13:37:32 2009
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:37:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] New venue at Watkins Glen
Message-ID: <000301ca4d05$c63f1a80$52bd4f80$@rr.com>

Bobby Rahal has started a new vintage racing sanctioning body. Watkins Glen
in June of 2010. Replaces HSR Historic event. Other events to be announced.
I suspect Mid Ohio will be one of them. More info at below site.

 

 

 

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20091013/LOCAL10/910130337/1001/
BUSINESS/WGI-AND-HISTORIC-MOTORSPORTS-PRODUCTIONS-ANNOUNCE-INAUGURAL-VINTAGE
-RACING

From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 14 14:39:01 2009
From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (CHIP COLLINGWOOD)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:39:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Shipping
Message-ID: <380-220091031420391796@earthlink.net>

Hey anybody on the list have any recommendations for shipping a non-running vehicle from California to the east coast or close to Virginia...thanks guys


Chip Collingwood
69 TR6 Eprod
71 2dr 510 Vintage 

From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Oct 14 15:06:45 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:06:45 EDT
Subject: [Fot] New venue at Watkins Glen
Message-ID: <cf1.60d0d65a.38079765@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/14/2009 3:14:08 PM Central Daylight Time, 
Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com writes:


> <<< Bobby Rahal has started a new vintage racing sanctioning body. 
> Watkins Glen in June of 2010. Replaces HSR Historic event. Other events to be 
> announced.
> I suspect Mid Ohio will be one of them. More info at below site. >>>
> 

Amici...

While the number of road racers in general, and vintage road racers in 
particular continues to dwindle, one has to look with a jaundiced eye at yet 
another sanctioning body throwing their hat into the ring.  Having said that, 
I've always been a big fan of Bobby Rahal, and have raced at the same vintage 
events with him on several occasions.  He's impressed me as a Class Act.  I 
recall him standing in line...just like everybody else at registration, 
driver's meetings, etc.  In the 1980s his dad used to race at VSCDA events, 
especially Grattan.  Interesting if this announcement 'bumps' HSR from having a 
Watkins Glen Event, and I too can't help but wonder if Mid-Ohio will be a 
subsequent announcement, as Bobby Rahal has always been very close to the 
Mid-Ohio connections.      

Bill Dentinger

From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Wed Oct 14 15:11:59 2009
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:11:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] New venue at Watkins Glen
In-Reply-To: <000301ca4d05$c63f1a80$52bd4f80$@rr.com>
References: <000301ca4d05$c63f1a80$52bd4f80$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca4d12$f886bbd0$e9943370$@racer@comcast.net>

Rahal was at the Monterey Historics and supposedly held a meeting with track
officials about this series (five races?) which is to be for bigger cars
(TransAm, CanAm, IMSA, etc), for points and a trophies. Trying to bring back
the late 1960's and early 1970's.  Look for Laguna Seca to be on his
schedule.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Spitfire Racing
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:38 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] New venue at Watkins Glen

Bobby Rahal has started a new vintage racing sanctioning body. Watkins Glen
in June of 2010. Replaces HSR Historic event. Other events to be announced.
I suspect Mid Ohio will be one of them. More info at below site.

 

 

 

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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Wed Oct 14 15:19:56 2009
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:19:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems
In-Reply-To: <542698.84332.qm@web111006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <60627.35693.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Mark: I was told by CVAR that we could not space the backside of the
hood/bonnet up, nor louver the bonnet without being moved to the sport racer
group. On Randy William's TR3 I louvered the inner fender panels, not for
fresh air but to move the air out and avoid a high pressure under the hood
which could cause overheating. What my son is currently working on for his
triple Weber 240Z is a cold air box. We got a fiberglass one from TWM
Induction, and you must drill it to suit your carb set-up. I'd bet that the
spacing is the same between the Z motor and the TR6. Also check with Richard
Good to see about buying an undrilled aluminum one from his triple Stromberg
set-up and drill to suit. Run the air hose to in front of the radiator and add
the filter of your choice.
-Ed Barnard-

--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Mark Vanlake <oldspeed72 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Mark Vanlake <oldspeed72 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 11:50 AM


Just wondering what innovative systems the TR6 racers have developed to
introduce cold air to their (Weber setup in my case) carbs. I have been told
by CVAR that I could not use a headlight opening as an intake and it must be
covered. Also, Is there anyone that has found a way to use louvers or a cowl
type system. I use triple Weber's with the velocity stack filters and with
the
fenders in place the first carb has about 2 inches of breathing room. Would
love to see any pictures of your setup. Mark
You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net

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From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 14 17:11:19 2009
From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (CHIP COLLINGWOOD)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:11:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Shipping
Message-ID: <380-2200910314231119437@earthlink.net>

Greg,

thanks...the car is located in Redwood City (the bay area) ...sorry should
have put that out there..thanks Chip


> [Original Message]
> From: Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
> To: <tr6racer21 at earthlink.net>
> Date: 10/14/2009 6:23:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Shipping
>
> Hi Chip,
> I could get a car picked up in L.A. this weekend to Albuquerque. Joe  
> Alexander might be able to help from here east.
> Greg Hilyer
> On Oct 14, 2009, at 2:39 PM, CHIP COLLINGWOOD wrote:
>
> > Hey anybody on the list have any recommendations for shipping a non- 
> > running vehicle from California to the east coast or close to  
> > Virginia...thanks guys
> >
> >
> > Chip Collingwood
> > 69 TR6 Eprod
> > 71 2dr 510 Vintage
> >
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> >
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Oct 14 18:41:48 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:41:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Thanks, Barry
Message-ID: <4AD66FCC.50000@bradakis.com>

Got a nice little package in today's mail, a silver Hot Wheels
racing TR6.  It was sent to me by Barry Munson, who joined
us this past spring.

Sure, there's a web link at the end of this message that takes
you to a page with some information on making a cash
donation to support this list, as well as the other Team.Net
services.  While money is always nice, trinkets of little or
no value like this 'hood emblem' for the FOT server are
priceless.

Thanks again, Barry!

mjb.

From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Wed Oct 14 22:30:43 2009
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:30:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Early TR2 Rear Tail Lights Wanted
Message-ID: <4AD6A573.1020206@greenheart.com>

Hello all... I'm after yet a pair of the tail lights for my early TR2. 

Here is what they look like:

http://www.vtr.org/TR2/NewPhotos/tt2reflector.jpg

The lens "Lucas 471" and "Made in England" embossed in the glass.   
Notice that is has a rectangular shape.

These were found on the early TR2s through TS1387.   After this, they 
changed to a round type lens.

I really hope I can find an original pair, not reproductions or lens 
missing the "Lucas 471" lettering, etc.

Some may recall, I have an early, unmolested, unrestored TR2.  It's my 
goal to basically keep it as is, but make it safe to drive, halt 
corrosion, and to keep it a good example of an original car, except for 
period accessories.  

Not to complicate matters, but as a comparison, here is the later TR2 
lens assembly (that I do not need...)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1168/532815396_7eca578c32.jpg?v=0

It appears that the lens is a bit more common than the rest of the 
assembly.  While the lens was used on various cars of the period, the 
bezel may have been unique to the TR2.

--Justin Wagner

P.S.   I still have not found an early TR2 jack.

For more info on TR2s... visit Bill Lynn's article on The VTR web site:
http://www.vtr.org/TR2/terrible_2s.shtml

From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Thu Oct 15 02:03:05 2009
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:03:05 +1100
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
In-Reply-To: <90D8772C994946CFBF45577373846525@Bud>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAEEsfDCKT8JBvCEM6gpYxDwBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au><001701ca4cd4$85365a70$8fa30f50$@com>
	<90D8772C994946CFBF45577373846525@Bud>
Message-ID: <30072A16B1AA427FB35D85BD1A2BCB0A@GEOFFPC>

there are TR6 race motors and there ARE TR6 RACE MOTORS
Billet crank
billet rods
Forged pistons
PI mods
High compression 13+
Av gas +
overbored motors
Small dia clutch
trick harmonic balancers
tune exhaust
tune inlet and cold air box
8500 rpm
HP well that between me and my dyno guy!!!!!!!!!
Geoff
TR6 Racer down under
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>; "'Peter Vucinic'" 
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump


> I'm curious you guys....What kind of horsepower does a racing TR6 put out 
> with the fuel injection/versus carbs?
> I'll take my answer on the air!
> Racer Bud...Spitfire #21
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
> To: "'Peter Vucinic'" <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "'FOT'" 
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
>
>
>>I don't have fuel injection on a TR6 race car but I do have a TR5 with 
>>Lucas
>> fuel injection.  I recently installed the Bosch pump and filter kit, 
>> which I
>> got from Malcolm Jones at Prestige Injection in the UK, on the car.  I 
>> also
>> modified the fuel tank for outlets on both sides and separate return 
>> ports
>> on the top.  The kit included a new outlet fitting to replace the 
>> original
>> to allow for adequate fuel flow into the pump.  In addition I rewired the
>> pump adding a fused fuel pump relay and heavier wiring.  The original 
>> pump
>> drew about 5.6 amps and had a voltage drop of 2.8 volts to the pump.  The
>> new pump draws 9.5 amps with only a 0.75 volt drop at the pump with the
>> rewiring.  If you need the numbers of the pump and filter I'm sure I have
>> them somewhere or can get them for you.  The TR6 fuel tank was modified 
>> on
>> the PI cars to overcome some of the problems with the TR5 tank but I 
>> don't
>> know if that tank was used in the carbureted TR6 cars.
>>
>> I'm currently running 103 PSI at the metering unit but will be increasing
>> that to about 110 as I am having some intermittent problems and also am 
>> not
>> sure of the accuracy of my fuel pressure gauge.  The 103 could be 
>> marginal
>> and may even be lower if my gauge reads 2% or 3% high, which is typical
>> standard gauge accuracy.
>>
>> Tim Murphy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Peter Vucinic
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:18 PM
>> To: FOT
>> Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
>>
>> Dear List'rs,
>>
>>
>>
>> Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection 
>> system,
>> race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to 
>> use?
>>
>> BOSH? Etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards
>>
>> Peter Vucinic
>>
>> TR-4
>> Fot mailing list
>>
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From 58tr3a at videotron.ca  Thu Oct 15 05:25:36 2009
From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:25:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Early TR2 Rear Tail Lights Wanted
References: <4AD6A573.1020206@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <4DC28932E01D4751BF953EAAA5691F89@elliott7455dae>

The red lens for those early TR2s is the same one used on the MG-TD.  Try 
any MG supplier.  Also ask the US TRA.  http://www.triumphregister.com/

When The TR Register had difficulty during the restoration of TS2, the lens 
were available but the problem was that they couldn't find the rectangular 
chromed frame which surrounds the lens.  Ask the TR Register.  They may have 
had some extras made.

http://www.tr-register.co.uk/
-------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Justin Wagner" <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>; "Triumphs" 
<triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:30 AM
Subject: [Fot] Early TR2 Rear Tail Lights Wanted


> Hello all... I'm after yet a pair of the tail lights for my early TR2.
>
> Here is what they look like:
>
> http://www.vtr.org/TR2/NewPhotos/tt2reflector.jpg
>
> The lens "Lucas 471" and "Made in England" embossed in the glass.
> Notice that is has a rectangular shape.
>
> These were found on the early TR2s through TS1387.   After this, they
> changed to a round type lens.
>
> I really hope I can find an original pair, not reproductions or lens
> missing the "Lucas 471" lettering, etc.
>
> Some may recall, I have an early, unmolested, unrestored TR2.  It's my
> goal to basically keep it as is, but make it safe to drive, halt
> corrosion, and to keep it a good example of an original car, except for
> period accessories.
>
> Not to complicate matters, but as a comparison, here is the later TR2
> lens assembly (that I do not need...)
>
> http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1168/532815396_7eca578c32.jpg?v=0
>
> It appears that the lens is a bit more common than the rest of the
> assembly.  While the lens was used on various cars of the period, the
> bezel may have been unique to the TR2.
>
> --Justin Wagner
>
> P.S.   I still have not found an early TR2 jack.
>
> For more info on TR2s... visit Bill Lynn's article on The VTR web site:
> http://www.vtr.org/TR2/terrible_2s.shtml
>
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>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Oct 15 10:37:05 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:37:05 +0200
Subject: [Fot] A quick lap on the Nurburgring GP track - Qualy Session 2
Message-ID: <000001ca4db5$be9f4a10$3bddde30$@com>

A not so quick race.
A boat would have been better:

http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5392848011275006882

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Oktober 2009 11:52
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: A quick lap on the Nurburgring GP track - Qualy Session 2

Have fun with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udId4mPFj3M

Cheers
Chris

From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Oct 15 11:03:15 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:03:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Emailing: 2009_1015AA tr2 light
Message-ID: <7CBD8F85C3A44B2E8EAB3097DDE9B4DA@Bud>

Don...I've got this one..Lucas L484...Hillman..does the # cross-reference?
Racer Bud
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Oct 15 20:10:45 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (rkramer3 at austin.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:10:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR 6 Racers
In-Reply-To: <119266.67299.qm@web83804.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20091016021045.HFYPZ.72018.root@hrndva-web03-z01>

I found 2 green and 2 silver in bum you know what Oklahoma on my way to
Hallett today. I think that the Walmart computers are punching out reorders
for what must be one of the best new HotWheels car. Maybe some Red ones will
come out of this.

---- Mike Schubert <trebucs at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Bob:
> B 
> FYI
> B 
> The Walmart at US79 and Red Bud in Round rock had at least 6 TR6 race cars
left,B mostly green.B  I got a silver one and a green one.
>
> Mike Schubert
> trebucs at sbcglobal.net
> 512-252-3767
> B 
> Ever stop to think. . . . . .andB forget to start again?
> B 

From brad.kahler at 141.com  Fri Oct 16 09:45:48 2009
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:45:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [TR] For Sale: NOS Lucas parts (Mostly TR3)
In-Reply-To: <f99bbf590910151657r342c92e5x7f453b8be5812fcf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AD66E4E.1000701@141.com>
	<62909.85176.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<f99bbf590910151657r342c92e5x7f453b8be5812fcf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99bbf590910160845j3cab1a3bn9fee4fc4da4f98d7@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, all the NOS parts are spoken for.

The parts are going to whoever responded first saying they would take them.


Thanks again,

Brad





On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com> wrote:

> Bill,
>
> The lenses are NOS Lucas in the box and yes they do say Lucas.  $15
> each for the lenses and the one chrome base that I have would be $20
> and it is also NOS in the box.
>
> I would guess shipping to be something like $8 after insurance, etc.
> If you're interested I would prefer Paypal but check would work as
> well.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brad
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:34 PM, William Babbitt <wbabbitt at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> > Brad,
> > How much for the pair of TR3 Lucas tail lights?
> > Do they have "Lucas" imprinted on them?
> > thanks,
> > Bill
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com>
> > To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:35:26 PM
> > Subject: [TR] For Sale: NOS Lucas parts (Mostly TR3)
> >
> > Several people have asked for my list of NOS Lucas parts that I have.
> > Here is a partial listing, I still have one more box to dig through so
> > a few more things yet to come.  Just about all of these parts are
> > still in the original Lucas packaging
> >
> > All parts listed below are NOS unless otherwise noted:
> >
> > 573819    Single center tail light lens (only lens) as used on the TR3.
> >
> > 574635    tail light lens (only lens) as used on TR3A & TR3B.  (I have
> > two of these)
> >
> > L549 (53330) light base assembly for 574635 lens listed above
> >
> > 31126    3 position (side / head switch) (I have one NOS and one good
> used
> > one)
> >
> > 31444F  (same action of switch as above but screw connectors do not
> > hang down they go up beside the body)
> >
> > 31253    momentary push button switch (TR3 starter switch) (I have
> > one NOS and one used)
> >
> > 576109    red beehive lens as used on TR3s and TR4s  (I have two of
> these)
> >
> > 30608    ignition switch body (without the key tumbler) (supposed to
> > be for later TR3s with the spade connectors)
> >
> > 291806  starter gear (supposed to be TR3)
> >
> > 270038  bushing (starter?)
> >
> > 255491  bushing (starter?)
> >
> > 491644  sundries kit (starter?)
> >
> > L494  reversing light
> >
> > L494  reversing light (this one is used and is very lightly pitted
> > but still looks pretty good)
> >
> > 31419A  push pull switch panel light switch (I have two NOS and two used)
> >
> > 78358  heater rheostat switch with knob
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brad
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >
> > This list supported in part by the Vintage Triumph Register
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> >
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> >
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Fri Oct 16 11:31:35 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:31:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How to determine if someone has had a stroke
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0619575F11@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Sorry to bomb the list with this but I'm at the track with a bunch of old guys
and I feel its appropriate within our crowd. None of us are getting any
younger, this may save a life if you know it.
Bob K

Subject: FW: This is Good Information to Have

B lood  Clots/Stroke - They Now Have a Fourth Indicator,  the Tongue
[cid:image001.jpg at 01CA4CE6.9A5E2290]


I  will continue to forward this every time it  comes around!


STROKE: Remember  the 1st Three Letters.... S. T. R.


STROKE  IDENTIFICATION:


During a BBQ, a woman stumbled and took a little fall - she assured  everyone
that she was fine (they offered to call  paramedics) .she said she had just
tripped over  a brick because of her new shoes.


They  got her cleaned up and got her a new plate of  food. While she appeared
a bit shaken up, Jane went about enjoying herself the rest of the  evening


Jane's husband called later  telling everyone that his wife had been taken to
the hospital -
(at 6:00  pm  Jane passed away.) She had suffered a stroke at the BBQ. Had
they known how to identify the  signs of a stroke, perhaps Jane would be with
us today. Some don't die.. They end up in a  helpless, hopeless condition
instead.


It  only takes a minute to read this...


A  neurologist says that if he can get to a stroke  victim within 3 hours he
can totally reverse the  effects of a stroke...totally. He said  the trick was
getting a stroke recognized,  diagnosed, and then getting the patient
medically cared for within 3 hours, which is  tough.


RECOGNIZING A STROKE


Thank  God for the sense to remember the '3' steps, STR  . Read and Learn!


Sometimes symptoms of a  stroke are difficult to identify. Unfortunately,  the
lack of awareness spells disaster. The  stroke victim may suffer severe brain
damage  when people nearby fail to recognize the  symptoms of a stroke.


Now doctors say a  bystander can recognize a stroke by asking three  simple
questions:


S  *Ask  the individual to SMILE.

T  *Ask  the person to TALK and SPEAK A SIMPLE SENTENCE  (Coherently)

(i.e. It is sunny out  today.)

R  *Ask  him or her to RAISE BOTH  ARMS.


If  he or she has trouble with ANY ONE of these  tasks, call emergency
numberimmediately  and describe the symptoms to the  dispatcher..


New  Sign of a Stroke -------- Stick out Your  Tongue


NOTE:  Another 'sign' of a stroke is this: Ask the  person to 'stick' out his
tongue.. If the tongue  is 'crooked', if it goes to one side or the  other,
that is  also an indication of a  stroke.


A cardiologist says if everyone who gets this e-mail sends it to 10 people;
you can bet that at least one life will be saved.
_______________________________________________
Journeymen mailing list
Journeymen at fumc-rr.org
http://mail.fumc-rr.org/mailman/listinfo/journeymen

From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Oct 16 17:51:35 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:51:35 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Here's to ya, kid!
Message-ID: <4AD90707.5020703@bradakis.com>

I just sold some parts.  Spitfire parts, to be exact, a boot lid and a 
door for
a squaretail.  Some young fellow bought them.  He recently purchased a
non-running $200 Spitfire, and is chomping at the bit to get it going.

It was fun to have him in the garage, he was impressed with a few things,
like the dual DCOE setup for Killer that was over there, the ceramic
coated Stahl header tucked away there and so on.  He even noticed some
of my old SCCA autocross trophies still on the wall, and that great copy
of a Triumph ad that Chris K did about Team Fat sweeping the VTR
autocross some years back.  We talked for a while, I emailed him some
links to Triumph related info.

It would be nice to be so young and energetic, instead of old and decrepit.
But a bit of his enthusiasm did rub off, helped to make the day better than
it had been going.  I hope he sticks with it, keeps the flickering flame
going.

Right now, though, I've got to get started on some chicken and mushrooms
in a lemon sauce to serve over fettucini.  I'm getting hungry, and Karen
will be home soon.  Out to the garage after dinner.

mjb.

From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Oct 16 19:10:03 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:10:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Here's to ya, kid!
References: <4AD90707.5020703@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <BE5D660A9A704D7F84E74349AA43B642@Bud>

Good Job Mark...It's neat  stuff when the young people enjoy learning about 
our old stuff......One of the great things that old cars and old people 
offer to youth, is the opportunity to learn the basics of Independance 
'Working with our hands and minds'...this is the early step of learning how 
to work on the modern stuff.....It is also gives them a big bunch of 
confidence..knowing that they can survive on their own....
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:51 PM
Subject: [Fot] Here's to ya, kid!


>I just sold some parts.  Spitfire parts, to be exact, a boot lid and a door 
>for
> a squaretail.  Some young fellow bought them.  He recently purchased a
> non-running $200 Spitfire, and is chomping at the bit to get it going.
>
> It was fun to have him in the garage, he was impressed with a few things,
> like the dual DCOE setup for Killer that was over there, the ceramic
> coated Stahl header tucked away there and so on.  He even noticed some
> of my old SCCA autocross trophies still on the wall, and that great copy
> of a Triumph ad that Chris K did about Team Fat sweeping the VTR
> autocross some years back.  We talked for a while, I emailed him some
> links to Triumph related info.
>
> It would be nice to be so young and energetic, instead of old and 
> decrepit.
> But a bit of his enthusiasm did rub off, helped to make the day better 
> than
> it had been going.  I hope he sticks with it, keeps the flickering flame
> going.
>
> Right now, though, I've got to get started on some chicken and mushrooms
> in a lemon sauce to serve over fettucini.  I'm getting hungry, and Karen
> will be home soon.  Out to the garage after dinner.
>
> mjb.
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Oct 16 19:58:17 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:58:17 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Here's to ya, kid!
In-Reply-To: <BE5D660A9A704D7F84E74349AA43B642@Bud>
References: <4AD90707.5020703@bradakis.com>
	<BE5D660A9A704D7F84E74349AA43B642@Bud>
Message-ID: <4AD924B9.2040305@bradakis.com>

RACER BUD wrote:
> Good Job Mark...It's neat  stuff when the young people enjoy learning 
> about our old stuff......One of the great things that old cars and old 
> people offer to youth, is the opportunity to learn the basics of 
> Independance 
First off, thanks for your contribution the other day, I appreciate it.

I expect this fellow may be showing up on the Team.Net Triumph and 
Spitfire lists soon,
asking about how to get door handles and latches removed and replaced, 
possibly cursing
my name in the process.

He didn't need a door, he just needed some of the  handle and latch 
bits.  He'll get a
chance to learn some basics swapping in the good parts for his bad 
ones.  Maybe I
should have thrown a box of band-aids into the deal!

mjb.

From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 17 09:13:02 2009
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:13:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 coolant plumbing help and ideas needed
Message-ID: <492152.60885.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I got my engine back yesterday.  While at the ABFM in Portland over Labor day
I took a bunch of photo's and had conversations with a few of you regarding
additional plumbing to get the back of the engine cooler.  It is pretty clear
that a line needs to come out where the heater port is and run back to the
thermostat housing.  I have photos showing a line coming from the drain port
but I am not sure where to return that too.  Also should I run a thermostat. 
I would really appriciate some ideas or even photos.  

On some other notes. 
The fuel cell is mounted up and the doorbars and dash bar are just about
done. 

Thanks for the help.

Mike Mehl
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Sat Oct 17 09:42:15 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:42:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
Message-ID: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>

My GT 6, with a welded diff, has the halfshaft u-joints bolted to it  
with AN6 hardware.  I was checking out various things under the car  
two events ago and noticed that all of the bolts/nyloc nuts were about  
1/8-1/4 turn loose.  I tightened them up, but after the next event  
they were about one flat loose again.  There's no way to get a torque  
wrench at these, given the proximity to the diff and the u joint on  
the other end of the bolts, so I just give them a good yank with hand  
wrenches.

Question - are these stretching, working loose (with nyloc), or are  
the AN washers, which I find to be fairly soft, compressing?  I really  
lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts are loosening.  I know  
the welded diff puts a lot of stress on the system, but none of the  
hardware on the outer u joints or the drive shaft, all of which have  
smaller hardware, is loosening, and the events I'm talking about are  
only hillclimbs - not a lot of driving time at all.

From billb at bnj.com  Sat Oct 17 09:50:37 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:50:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
In-Reply-To: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
References: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <886614C7-187D-445F-B527-297997A2B50D@bnj.com>

Probably the Nylocks. They don't lock well against impact. I'd try  
self locking AN with a hard washer, or perhaps red locktite.  No idea  
why the rest of the stuff is working and these aren't.
On Oct 17, 2009, at 8:42 AM, Scott Janzen wrote:

> My GT 6, with a welded diff, has the halfshaft u-joints bolted to it
> with AN6 hardware.  I was checking out various things under the car
> two events ago and noticed that all of the bolts/nyloc nuts were about
> 1/8-1/4 turn loose.  I tightened them up, but after the next event
> they were about one flat loose again.  There's no way to get a torque
> wrench at these, given the proximity to the diff and the u joint on
> the other end of the bolts, so I just give them a good yank with hand
> wrenches.
>
> Question - are these stretching, working loose (with nyloc), or are
> the AN washers, which I find to be fairly soft, compressing?  I really
> lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts are loosening.  I know
> the welded diff puts a lot of stress on the system, but none of the
> hardware on the outer u joints or the drive shaft, all of which have
> smaller hardware, is loosening, and the events I'm talking about are
> only hillclimbs - not a lot of driving time at all.
>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Oct 17 09:56:36 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:56:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
In-Reply-To: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
References: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <AED9277EEADA4A3D9A34F168D13F2E75@joepentiumnew>

Most likely, it is the Nyloc nuts.  I would say use a bit of Loc-Tite on the
threads and see if they still work loose.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:42 AM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts

My GT 6, with a welded diff, has the halfshaft u-joints bolted to it  
with AN6 hardware.  I was checking out various things under the car  
two events ago and noticed that all of the bolts/nyloc nuts were about  
1/8-1/4 turn loose.  I tightened them up, but after the next event  
they were about one flat loose again.  There's no way to get a torque  
wrench at these, given the proximity to the diff and the u joint on  
the other end of the bolts, so I just give them a good yank with hand  
wrenches.

Question - are these stretching, working loose (with nyloc), or are  
the AN washers, which I find to be fairly soft, compressing?  I really  
lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts are loosening.  I know  
the welded diff puts a lot of stress on the system, but none of the  
hardware on the outer u joints or the drive shaft, all of which have  
smaller hardware, is loosening, and the events I'm talking about are  
only hillclimbs - not a lot of driving time at all.
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From quicktr4 at comcast.net  Sat Oct 17 10:12:19 2009
From: quicktr4 at comcast.net (quicktr4)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:12:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 coolant plumbing help and ideas needed
References: <492152.60885.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <217966C92C284A4D97A285E8424AF6B9@quickfure2vk6w>

 sounds like your getting close to having a race car .the line at the block 
at #4 goes to the wtr pump housing discharge it will need to be drilled and 
a fitting installed. this pumps cooler water into the back of the block.you 
may need more radiator than stock. Jeff
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Mehl" <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR4 coolant plumbing help and ideas needed


>I got my engine back yesterday.  While at the ABFM in Portland over Labor 
>day
> I took a bunch of photo's and had conversations with a few of you 
> regarding
> additional plumbing to get the back of the engine cooler.  It is pretty 
> clear
> that a line needs to come out where the heater port is and run back to the
> thermostat housing.  I have photos showing a line coming from the drain 
> port
> but I am not sure where to return that too.  Also should I run a 
> thermostat.
> I would really appriciate some ideas or even photos.
>
> On some other notes.
> The fuel cell is mounted up and the doorbars and dash bar are just about
> done.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Mike Mehl
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Sat Oct 17 11:39:32 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:39:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
In-Reply-To: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <727584AE5E8846EAAEB4DB7BA38B3DB7@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Scott

I noticed exactly the same thing with my Spit with a welded diff.  I ended
up switching out the nylocks for K-nuts.  They are easier to get a wrench on
and seem to hold tight longer.  About every other weekend, I have to take up
a couple of them but far less than I ever did with the nylocks.  The
driveline bolts don't seem to have near the same problem.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:42 AM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts


My GT 6, with a welded diff, has the halfshaft u-joints bolted to it
with AN6 hardware.  I was checking out various things under the car
two events ago and noticed that all of the bolts/nyloc nuts were about
1/8-1/4 turn loose.  I tightened them up, but after the next event
they were about one flat loose again.  There's no way to get a torque
wrench at these, given the proximity to the diff and the u joint on
the other end of the bolts, so I just give them a good yank with hand
wrenches.

Question - are these stretching, working loose (with nyloc), or are
the AN washers, which I find to be fairly soft, compressing?  I really
lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts are loosening.  I know
the welded diff puts a lot of stress on the system, but none of the
hardware on the outer u joints or the drive shaft, all of which have
smaller hardware, is loosening, and the events I'm talking about are
only hillclimbs - not a lot of driving time at all.
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Oct 17 11:44:24 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:44:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
In-Reply-To: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20091017174424180.RUWC3542@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com>

> Question - are these stretching, working loose (with nyloc), or are  
> the AN washers, which I find to be fairly soft, compressing?  
> I really  
> lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts are loosening.  

Scott, I had exactly the same problem with the driveshaft flanges on my
street TR3A.  Switching to a "distorted thread" all-metal type locknut
solved the problem for me.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#92501a430/=43nsuh

Randall

From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sat Oct 17 12:10:58 2009
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:10:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
In-Reply-To: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
References: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4ADA08B2.20609@blacksburg.net>

On 10/17/2009 11:42 AM, Scott Janzen wrote:
> My GT 6, with a welded diff, has the halfshaft u-joints bolted to it
> with AN6 hardware.  I was checking out various things under the car
> two events ago and noticed that all of the bolts/nyloc nuts were about
> 1/8-1/4 turn loose.  I tightened them up, but after the next event
> they were about one flat loose again.  There's no way to get a torque
> wrench at these, given the proximity to the diff and the u joint on
> the other end of the bolts, so I just give them a good yank with hand
> wrenches.
>
>    
Scott, I used AN363 stop nuts and AN960 flat washers.  I don't know the 
washer hardness but they've held up nicely.  The stop nuts likewise have 
never given me any problems.  Check www.aircraftspruce.com.

hth

jim
> Question - are these stretching, working loose (with nyloc), or are
> the AN washers, which I find to be fairly soft, compressing?  I really
> lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts are loosening.  I know
> the welded diff puts a lot of stress on the system, but none of the
> hardware on the outer u joints or the drive shaft, all of which have
> smaller hardware, is loosening, and the events I'm talking about are
> only hillclimbs - not a lot of driving time at all.

From cak at dimebank.com  Sat Oct 17 12:17:55 2009
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:17:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
Message-ID: <200910171817.n9HIHtop024055@moose.dimebank.com>

There are various grades of "nyloc". I had similar problems on both
my 4A and GT6+ when using hardware store nylocs. I switched to the
"high temp" AN spec and the problem has gone away. AN365-624A is hte
part number.

From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat Oct 17 12:24:22 2009
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:24:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
In-Reply-To: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
References: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS55B47728FFEBF556FF4CEC3C30@phx.gbl>

It's probably the AN washers.  They are soft because of their intended use on
airframes.  Try Grade 8 washers.

You might also try using the so called "jet nut" type all metal locknut,
though on our Lotus Eleven Le Mans they still manage to work slightly loose
after a couple of sessions.  Though I suspect the inboard disk brakes are a
contributing factor there.

Terry Stetler

From gasket.works at gte.net  Sat Oct 17 13:25:24 2009
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:25:24 +0000
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
Message-ID: <691311772-1255807490-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2422494-@bda697.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I had this issue in the past. I fixed this using using the appropriatly shouldered and sized an6 drilled bolt for saftey wire.  I use a jet nut with (7/16) reduced hex head.  I found that a mac tools closed end /six point wrench works best to hold the jet nut while tightening.  I also use blue loctite.  When completed I use either a cotter pin or safty wire.  In terms of the washer there are two AN type washers.  - I use the thinner.  (Saves weight...)

M
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 17 13:58:16 2009
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:58:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts - Loctite comment
In-Reply-To: <886614C7-187D-445F-B527-297997A2B50D@bnj.com>
References: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
	<886614C7-187D-445F-B527-297997A2B50D@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <529434.50240.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

For what ever it is worth don't use the red loctite unless you want to use a
torch to take the stuff apart.  The Blue works great.  To have the best result
use a primer (loctite makes it).  Also use Loctite brand.  There really is a
difference.   You can get the blue in a stick (like chapstick), gel and
liquid.  We sell the stuff at our company.  I have been through a bunch of
their training.  

Mike




________________________________
From: Bill
Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
To: Scott Janzen <s.janzen at comcast.net>
Cc: 'Friends
of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, October 17, 2009 8:50:37
AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts

Probably the Nylocks. They
don't lock well against impact. I'd try  
self locking AN with a hard washer,
or perhaps red locktite.  No idea  
why the rest of the stuff is working and
these aren't.
On Oct 17, 2009, at 8:42 AM, Scott Janzen wrote:

> My GT 6,
with a welded diff, has the halfshaft u-joints bolted to it
> with AN6
hardware.  I was checking out various things under the car
> two events ago
and noticed that all of the bolts/nyloc nuts were about
> 1/8-1/4 turn loose. 
I tightened them up, but after the next event
> they were about one flat loose
again.  There's no way to get a torque
> wrench at these, given the proximity
to the diff and the u joint on
> the other end of the bolts, so I just give
them a good yank with hand
> wrenches.
>
> Question - are these stretching,
working loose (with nyloc), or are
> the AN washers, which I find to be fairly
soft, compressing?  I really
> lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts
are loosening.  I know
> the welded diff puts a lot of stress on the system,
but none of the
> hardware on the outer u joints or the drive shaft, all of
which have
> smaller hardware, is loosening, and the events I'm talking about
are
> only hillclimbs - not a lot of driving time at all.
>
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Sat Oct 17 15:13:33 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:13:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts - Loctite comment
In-Reply-To: <529434.50240.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
	<886614C7-187D-445F-B527-297997A2B50D@bnj.com>
	<529434.50240.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9A2A491E-12CC-46F3-B4C9-86C2E7B0B444@bnj.com>

I've never had a problem with Red Locktite as long as you torque it  
forward before you try to remove the part. You need to crack the stuff  
lose and open up the thread gap.
On Oct 17, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Mike Mehl wrote:

> For what ever it is worth don't use the red loctite unless you want  
> to use a torch to take the stuff apart.  The Blue works great.  To  
> have the best result use a primer (loctite makes it).  Also use  
> Loctite brand.  There really is a difference.   You can get the blue  
> in a stick (like chapstick), gel and liquid.  We sell the stuff at  
> our company.  I have been through a bunch of their training.
>
> Mike
>
> From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
> To: Scott Janzen <s.janzen at comcast.net>
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, October 17, 2009 8:50:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
>
> Probably the Nylocks. They don't lock well against impact. I'd try
> self locking AN with a hard washer, or perhaps red locktite.  No idea
> why the rest of the stuff is working and these aren't.
> On Oct 17, 2009, at 8:42 AM, Scott Janzen wrote:
>
> > My GT 6, with a welded diff, has the halfshaft u-joints bolted to it
> > with AN6 hardware.  I was checking out various things under the car
> > two events ago and noticed that all of the bolts/nyloc nuts were  
> about
> > 1/8-1/4 turn loose.  I tightened them up, but after the next event
> > they were about one flat loose again.  There's no way to get a  
> torque
> > wrench at these, given the proximity to the diff and the u joint on
> > the other end of the bolts, so I just give them a good yank with  
> hand
> > wrenches.
> >
> > Question - are these stretching, working loose (with nyloc), or are
> > the AN washers, which I find to be fairly soft, compressing?  I  
> really
> > lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts are loosening.  I know
> > the welded diff puts a lot of stress on the system, but none of the
> > hardware on the outer u joints or the drive shaft, all of which have
> > smaller hardware, is loosening, and the events I'm talking about are
> > only hillclimbs - not a lot of driving time at all.
> >
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From bownes at seiri.com  Sat Oct 17 15:37:08 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:37:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Here's to ya, kid!
In-Reply-To: <4AD924B9.2040305@bradakis.com>
References: <4AD90707.5020703@bradakis.com>
	<BE5D660A9A704D7F84E74349AA43B642@Bud> <4AD924B9.2040305@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330910171437t40dd5a9cy8a4bb43adbf184c5@mail.gmail.com>

Amazing how it all works. I spent the morning getting my tr6 fired up
so I could put the Mini on the lift to get her snow tires on and in
doing so, have pretty much convinced my lunatic fringe 24 hours od
lemons team mates to give this years car to our spouses/gf for their
racing pleasure while we field a gt6 with some kind of perverse engine
swap (since the gt we have is sans engine). And yes Mark, this is one
of the GTs that came from Utah.

So another weekend of wrenching begins.



On 10/16/09, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> RACER BUD wrote:
>> Good Job Mark...It's neat  stuff when the young people enjoy learning
>> about our old stuff......One of the great things that old cars and old
>> people offer to youth, is the opportunity to learn the basics of
>> Independance
> First off, thanks for your contribution the other day, I appreciate it.
>
> I expect this fellow may be showing up on the Team.Net Triumph and
> Spitfire lists soon,
> asking about how to get door handles and latches removed and replaced,
> possibly cursing
> my name in the process.
>
> He didn't need a door, he just needed some of the  handle and latch
> bits.  He'll get a
> chance to learn some basics swapping in the good parts for his bad
> ones.  Maybe I
> should have thrown a box of band-aids into the deal!
>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Oct 17 21:14:06 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:14:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Hot wheels
Message-ID: <4D13E8A84063442982A2D648B91D389C@joepentiumnew>

I saw several messages earlier but paid little attention.  Today I was in
Wal*Mart and bought the 3 that they had on the shelves but they are all in
Green with white graphics.

I do recall that there were other colors mentioned.  Can someone tell me
what other colors there are?

Thanks,
Joe C

From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Sun Oct 18 06:37:58 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:37:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Hot wheels
In-Reply-To: <4D13E8A84063442982A2D648B91D389C@joepentiumnew>
References: <4D13E8A84063442982A2D648B91D389C@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <4ADB0C26.1020406@141.com>

We have only silver with blue graphics and wheels at our Walmart. There 
is some guy on eBay customizing them with product graphics (Heineken 
Beer, etc.) and resealing them in the original package, but they don't 
come from Hot Wheels that way.

On the main page of the Hot Wheels site, they show an animated flock of 
blue ones with red graphics with bat wings flying toward the viewer 
(Halloween customs, I guess!).  ;)

Susan      :)


Joe Curry wrote:
> I saw several messages earlier but paid little attention.  Today I was in
> Wal*Mart and bought the 3 that they had on the shelves but they are all in
> Green with white graphics.
>
> I do recall that there were other colors mentioned.  Can someone tell me
> what other colors there are?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe C
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sun Oct 18 08:46:53 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:46:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 coolant plumbing help and ideas needed
References: <492152.60885.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<217966C92C284A4D97A285E8424AF6B9@quickfure2vk6w>
Message-ID: <EF0DE796AF844276B41D21AE43A5088A@latitudefb1e41>

Mike,
Some off us put a pressurized fill tank at the back of the block in the line 
Jeff mentioned. We use a variety of radiators and some are mounted with the 
fill cap lower than the head. The fill tank allows for eliminating air in 
the system. In my case, with my eBay purchased Wizard aluminum radiator, 
running over 6 grand resulted in pumping water past the 13lb cap on the 
radiator. I use an 18 lb cap on the fill tank still have the 13 on the 
radiator and I just pump a little out of the 18 lb cap every 20 minutes (in 
Texas).
Bpb K
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "quicktr4" <quicktr4 at comcast.net>
To: "Mike Mehl" <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; "Triumph Friends of" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 coolant plumbing help and ideas needed


> sounds like your getting close to having a race car .the line at the block 
> at #4 goes to the wtr pump housing discharge it will need to be drilled 
> and a fitting installed. this pumps cooler water into the back of the 
> block.you may need more radiator than stock. Jeff
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Mehl" <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
> To: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:13 AM
> Subject: [Fot] TR4 coolant plumbing help and ideas needed
>
>
>>I got my engine back yesterday.  While at the ABFM in Portland over Labor 
>>day
>> I took a bunch of photo's and had conversations with a few of you 
>> regarding
>> additional plumbing to get the back of the engine cooler.  It is pretty 
>> clear
>> that a line needs to come out where the heater port is and run back to 
>> the
>> thermostat housing.  I have photos showing a line coming from the drain 
>> port
>> but I am not sure where to return that too.  Also should I run a 
>> thermostat.
>> I would really appriciate some ideas or even photos.
>>
>> On some other notes.
>> The fuel cell is mounted up and the doorbars and dash bar are just about
>> done.
>>
>> Thanks for the help.
>>
>> Mike Mehl
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From klynch_6 at msn.com  Sun Oct 18 09:42:14 2009
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:42:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT/TR6 motors for sale
Message-ID: <SNT123-DS12E4ADDBD03E254B5CB983B7C20@phx.gbl>

Have found myself with more inventory than I really need. So a couple of these
long blocks need a new home. (no carbs)
Am in Colo. as point of reference, thanks for the glance.
Kevin
303 237-4248
klynch_6 at msn.com<mailto:klynch_6 at msn.com>

From cak at dimebank.com  Sun Oct 18 09:56:45 2009
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:56:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] hardware and halfshafts
Message-ID: <200910181556.n9IFujGd026190@moose.dimebank.com>

"jet nuts" - you want AN363 or MS21042, depending on whether or not
you have access issues. 

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/an363.php

Please do not be tempted to use AN363 to "save weight". They
are rated for shear only.

From cak at dimebank.com  Sun Oct 18 09:57:52 2009
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:57:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] hardware and halfshafts
Message-ID: <200910181557.n9IFvqCE013203@moose.dimebank.com>

Sorry, that should be

Please do not be tempted to use *AN364* to "save weight". They
are rated for shear only.

From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Oct 18 13:07:22 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:07:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Hot Wheels
Message-ID: <6998CA69EDA540A0859511F8ECF620E6@joepentiumnew>

I went to another Wal*Mart and a Target store today and was successful in
finding ample quantities of the Silver model.  I bought all they had in both
stores and ended up with 11 silver and 6 Green ones.

I will be keeping one of each for myself and giving the others away as
gifts. But if anyone needs one to complete their collection, let me know.

Joe

From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Oct 18 13:33:00 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:33:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Hot Wheels
References: <6998CA69EDA540A0859511F8ECF620E6@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <D399116FD1924609B51990738DEF9887@Bud>

Good Job Joe...are you sure you didn't get followed home?(:>)
Racer Bud
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To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 12:07 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Hot Wheels


>I went to another Wal*Mart and a Target store today and was successful in
> finding ample quantities of the Silver model.  I bought all they had in 
> both
> stores and ended up with 11 silver and 6 Green ones.
>
> I will be keeping one of each for myself and giving the others away as
> gifts. But if anyone needs one to complete their collection, let me know.
>
> Joe
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Oct 18 16:00:37 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:00:37 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts - Loctite comment
Message-ID: <bc1.5c42e493.380cea05@aol.com>

Mike,
 
Has the subject of torquing come up in the Loctite training, as in, How do  
you adjust the torque spec fpr Loctite?  Treat is a dry joint, a oiled  
joint?  A molyed joint?  I asked my Loctite rep and just got a blank  
look...Steve
 
 
In a message dated 10/17/2009 12:58:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
mike.mehl at yahoo.com writes:

For what  ever it is worth don't use the red loctite unless you want to use 
a
torch  to take the stuff apart.  The Blue works great.  To have the best  
result
use a primer (loctite makes it).  Also use Loctite brand.   There really is 
a
difference.   You can get the blue in a stick  (like chapstick), gel and
liquid.  We sell the stuff at our  company.  I have been through a bunch of
their training.   

Mike

From andre at gt6.ca  Mon Oct 19 10:02:35 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:02:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels
Message-ID: <4362ae390910190902x39b1ea43qd0cfcce324d638c5@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2009/10/19/consumer-girls-boys-toys.html

Hot Wheels saw a boost ;)

A.

-- 
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
'77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
Ottawa, ON, Canada

From rodkent at cox.net  Mon Oct 19 10:54:45 2009
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:54:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts - Loctite comment
In-Reply-To: <529434.50240.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20091019125445.HZL5S.687779.imail@fed1rmwml28>

It's worth using the red for the additional grip, no problem taking apart if you hit it with a little heat first. 
---- Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com> wrote: 
For what ever it is worth don't use the red loctite unless you want to use a
torch to take the stuff apart.  The Blue works great.  To have the best result
use a primer (loctite makes it).  Also use Loctite brand.  There really is a
difference.   You can get the blue in a stick (like chapstick), gel and
liquid.  We sell the stuff at our company.  I have been through a bunch of
their training.  

Mike




________________________________
From: Bill
Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
To: Scott Janzen <s.janzen at comcast.net>
Cc: 'Friends
of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, October 17, 2009 8:50:37
AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts

Probably the Nylocks. They
don't lock well against impact. I'd try  
self locking AN with a hard washer,
or perhaps red locktite.  No idea  
why the rest of the stuff is working and
these aren't.
On Oct 17, 2009, at 8:42 AM, Scott Janzen wrote:

> My GT 6,
with a welded diff, has the halfshaft u-joints bolted to it
> with AN6
hardware.  I was checking out various things under the car
> two events ago
and noticed that all of the bolts/nyloc nuts were about
> 1/8-1/4 turn loose. 
I tightened them up, but after the next event
> they were about one flat loose
again.  There's no way to get a torque
> wrench at these, given the proximity
to the diff and the u joint on
> the other end of the bolts, so I just give
them a good yank with hand
> wrenches.
>
> Question - are these stretching,
working loose (with nyloc), or are
> the AN washers, which I find to be fairly
soft, compressing?  I really
> lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts
are loosening.  I know
> the welded diff puts a lot of stress on the system,
but none of the
> hardware on the outer u joints or the drive shaft, all of
which have
> smaller hardware, is loosening, and the events I'm talking about
are
> only hillclimbs - not a lot of driving time at all.
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Oct 19 16:23:03 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:23:03 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Technology
Message-ID: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>

If memory servers me right, I recall Kas was working on
a prototype of this system when he was with Nissan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4



mjb.

From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Mon Oct 19 16:36:46 2009
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:36:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs
Message-ID: <4ADCE9FE.8090505@cfl.rr.com>

All,

Looking for opinions on Dellorto 40 carbs. Properly set up are they big 
enough for a mild race motor? Any parts sources here in the states? I 
know of a set with manifold for sale.

Bob
57 TR3 in process

From brad.kahler at 141.com  Mon Oct 19 16:47:30 2009
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:47:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Technology
In-Reply-To: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
References: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <f99bbf590910191547t5893840aga46bf8b7bb6382cb@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting, after seeing this video it makes me wonder if Kas was
secretly involved in this system as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuhYd9L_d7w

Brad



On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> If memory servers me right, I recall Kas was working on
> a prototype of this system when he was with Nissan:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4
>
>
>
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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Mon Oct 19 16:48:42 2009
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:48:42 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Technology
Message-ID: <4ADCECCA.9060607@141.com>

Interesting, after seeing this video it makes me wonder if Kas was
secretly involved in this system as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuhYd9L_d7w 
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuhYd9L_d7w>

Brad

From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Oct 19 17:18:06 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:18:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Technology
In-Reply-To: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
References: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <B8CF2A0C32734BE39BBACC9832991A3D@joepentiumnew>

And people wonder why Chrysler is in financial difficulty!

Joe C.

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Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 3:23 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] Technology

If memory servers me right, I recall Kas was working on
a prototype of this system when he was with Nissan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4



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From kaskas at cox.net  Mon Oct 19 17:51:35 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:51:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Technology
In-Reply-To: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
References: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <B2744B55912C4AC8B100591537D5673F@KasPC>

I never thought this would get out to the public. So much for secrets.!!



----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "'Friends of Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 3:23 PM
Subject: [Fot] Technology


> If memory servers me right, I recall Kas was working on
> a prototype of this system when he was with Nissan:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4
> 
> 
> 
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From kaskas at cox.net  Mon Oct 19 17:57:03 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:57:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Technology
In-Reply-To: <B8CF2A0C32734BE39BBACC9832991A3D@joepentiumnew>
References: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
	<B8CF2A0C32734BE39BBACC9832991A3D@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <984C4EC562E64DB3A698E212189AF488@KasPC>

They are a really slow pay on the secret stuff that  cannot be put into a 
printed sheet for the public.  That was a teaching video.  Have they 
learned? Well?

The 2010  Kastner Cup was to be in Detroit around the Chrysler Headquarters, 
but that has been taken off the list for now.


----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "'Mark J Bradakis'" <mark at bradakis.com>; "'Friends of Triumph'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Technology


> And people wonder why Chrysler is in financial difficulty!
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 3:23 PM
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> Subject: [Fot] Technology
>
> If memory servers me right, I recall Kas was working on
> a prototype of this system when he was with Nissan:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4
>
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Oct 19 19:13:41 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:13:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs
In-Reply-To: <4ADCE9FE.8090505@cfl.rr.com>
References: <4ADCE9FE.8090505@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4ADD0EC5.5040802@bradakis.com>

The carbs should be fine for a mild race motor.  They are basically
just like a Weber DCOE, though all the parts are completely different.
We have a customer with many Lotus cars that use Dellorto carbs.
Too bad the jets are different, I have tons of Weber brass, but have to
order in Dellorto stuff as needed and wait for delivery.

I do have a couple new Weber 40s and a used one available if anyone
wants such -  $325 new, $275 used.


mjb.

From stlnyc at msn.com  Mon Oct 19 19:19:50 2009
From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:19:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Technology
In-Reply-To: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
References: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <SNT125-W14902BF32ACF1A7616B6B1DAC00@phx.gbl>

Long live Prof. Irwin Corey!



Fred Hodgson

> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:23:03 -0600
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> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Technology
>
> If memory servers me right, I recall Kas was working on
> a prototype of this system when he was with Nissan:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4
>
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From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com  Mon Oct 19 20:14:35 2009
From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:14:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Cams
In-Reply-To: <SNT125-W14902BF32ACF1A7616B6B1DAC00@phx.gbl>
References: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
	<SNT125-W14902BF32ACF1A7616B6B1DAC00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE989A252A273@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>

Hi Fot'rs
I am ready to turn my attention back to my stalled GT6 Race car restoration
project and was wondering if the TR6 cams are recommended for the GT6 engine
and what cam that might be. I have high ratio roller rockers and a billet
crank. My goal is SRRA and VARAC racing in the east. Mostly sprint races but
definitely the enduro's too.
Thank you for any help  you might be able to provide
Bill Bartlett
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Oct 19 20:17:38 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:17:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Preliminary video from Hallett yesterday
Message-ID: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>

Fun race, they reversed the grid for this race - slow guys up 
front.  Last video on this page:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm

You will probably need to do a right-click, save as and download the 
file before it will let you play it.

I plan to edit it down to 10 min so I can put it on You Tube.

- Tony Drews

From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Oct 19 20:53:58 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:53:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Technology
References: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
	<SNT125-W14902BF32ACF1A7616B6B1DAC00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F02D340F438440918C25FDFFD4E43E90@Bud>

I forgot all about him!
RB
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From: "Fred & Mary Hodgson" <stlnyc at msn.com>
To: <mark at bradakis.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Technology


> Long live Prof. Irwin Corey!
> 
> 
> 
> Fred Hodgson
> 
>> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:23:03 -0600
>> From: mark at bradakis.com
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] Technology
>>
>> If memory servers me right, I recall Kas was working on
>> a prototype of this system when he was with Nissan:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4
>>
>>
>>
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 19 21:56:52 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:56:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Preliminary video from Hallett yesterday
In-Reply-To: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>
References: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <172D9573-C322-4B3C-BC39-C98E33FBC939@earthlink.net>

BRILLIANT drive Tony!!! Maybe because it was just yesterday or maybe  
because I was the rabbit, but [to the point where the Porsches and  
Mustangs had gotten by us is as far as I've gotten] some of the best  
race video I've seen.
Glad you're home OK - Tom and I too.
More later,
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Oct 19, 2009, at 8:17 PM, Tony Drews wrote:

> Fun race, they reversed the grid for this race - slow guys up  
> front.  Last video on this page:
> http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm
>
> You will probably need to do a right-click, save as and download  
> the file before it will let you play it.
>
> I plan to edit it down to 10 min so I can put it on You Tube.
>
> - Tony Drews
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 19 22:30:37 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:30:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Preliminary video from Hallett yesterday
In-Reply-To: <172D9573-C322-4B3C-BC39-C98E33FBC939@earthlink.net>
References: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>
	<172D9573-C322-4B3C-BC39-C98E33FBC939@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <527CE24A-10B9-4D24-A830-816F217F4581@earthlink.net>

OK, just saw the 2nd half. The sound of your shifts would tell me  
[without pictures] when you got me in your sights. My favorite part  
is the last 4 seconds - don't cut that part.
GREAT STUFF!

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Oct 19, 2009, at 9:56 PM, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer wrote:

> BRILLIANT drive Tony!!! Maybe because it was just yesterday or  
> maybe because I was the rabbit, but [to the point where the  
> Porsches and Mustangs had gotten by us is as far as I've gotten]  
> some of the best race video I've seen.
> Glad you're home OK - Tom and I too.
> More later,
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
> On Oct 19, 2009, at 8:17 PM, Tony Drews wrote:
>
>> Fun race, they reversed the grid for this race - slow guys up  
>> front.  Last video on this page:
>> http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm
>>
>> You will probably need to do a right-click, save as and download  
>> the file before it will let you play it.
>>
>> I plan to edit it down to 10 min so I can put it on You Tube.
>>
>> - Tony Drews
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Tue Oct 20 09:49:37 2009
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:49:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Technology
In-Reply-To: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
References: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4ADDDC11.5060704@charter.net>

Great video
I use to moonlight as an Automotive Instructor at our local community 
college teaching  the Automatic Transmission Courses.
I use to play this video ( he has a few others) just to see if the 
students would catch on ( some dim bulbs in the group)
By coincidence, we use to use the same trans A604 as the primary 
rebuilding project.

Glenn Franco
72 Spit racer and too many TR's

Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> If memory servers me right, I recall Kas was working on
> a prototype of this system when he was with Nissan:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4
>
>
>
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Tue Oct 20 11:10:40 2009
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:10:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Luckiest Racer ever
Message-ID: <F858272B04BF40CDB6A8968A49E14726@your4dacd0ea75>

Check this out

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1923341

From riverside at southslope.net  Tue Oct 20 12:10:04 2009
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:10:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs
References: <4ADCE9FE.8090505@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001501ca51b0$8d2ab240$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>

I think Dave Bean handles parts - i have an old 
parts list from him

art de armond
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob" <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 5:36 PM
Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs


> All,
> 
> Looking for opinions on Dellorto 40 carbs. Properly set up are they big 
> enough for a mild race motor? Any parts sources here in the states? I 
> know of a set with manifold for sale.
> 
> Bob
> 57 TR3 in process
> 
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Tue Oct 20 12:27:39 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:27:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Luckiest Racer ever
In-Reply-To: <F858272B04BF40CDB6A8968A49E14726@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <F858272B04BF40CDB6A8968A49E14726@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <8CC1FCA2373E204-5418-39AD@webmail-d095.sysops.aol.com>

 Dam ... those tree branches are closer to the course than those spectators !


Bob T







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From: Paul MacDonald <macdonaldp at rogers.com>
To: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:10 pm
Subject: [Fot] Luckiest Racer ever










Check this out

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1923341
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue Oct 20 13:22:21 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:22:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Luckiest Racer ever
In-Reply-To: <F858272B04BF40CDB6A8968A49E14726@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <F858272B04BF40CDB6A8968A49E14726@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <61B35D03-F2C0-4892-B535-619AF9185523@bnj.com>

Been there, done that. Only it was in a big tractor clearing brush and  
the wheel picked up a 4" log and speared it through the cab--missed me  
by THIS much

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From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Tue Oct 20 15:16:05 2009
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:16:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] '72 Spit U Joints
Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A6115A8@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>

Afternoon List Members,

Need some help nearly could have killed myself last weekend at Road
Atlanta. Last session of the day on Sunday (the actual race itself). Put
her in reverse and while backing out of my pit the right rear u joint
broke (again). It broke off one of the bearing surfaces, cracked that
cap. Ruined both rear tires as they gouged into the fender lips
shredding the tread off. Damaged one fender a little too.

I had this happen two years ago at home when loading up for a race. Same
thing reverse and let out the clutch and BANG.

Had this happened on turn 12 at race speed ..... makes me very nervous.

Anyway what's the fix I have Sommers Bros axles, and I am pretty sure
the larger GT6 flanges for the u joints, stub axles etc. I tried last
time to find a solid u joint with no grease zerks or grease holes thru
the u joint cross but in checking with  5-6 manufacturers including
Dana-Spicer no one had any.

I like my butt and want this to be safe, butttt I like to go fast too so
I want to get the fix if there is any out there. Please help!!


Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax

From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Oct 20 15:43:41 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:43:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] '72 Spit U Joints
In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A6115A8@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>
References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A6115A8@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>
Message-ID: <D36C019FD8734F44A10C44BFEC885E2A@joepentiumnew>

After installing the Honda engine my autocrosser, I started breaking things
in the rear with great regularity.  Usually on exit of a sharp turn where
the joints are at maximum flex is when the U-Joints would let go.

I tried a number of different brands with little success until I found some
made by DANA Spicer.  After I installed them, I had no more breakage.  (That
is when I discovered the frailty of the diff itself.)

They are not found in your normal parts stores and you might (as I did) have
to go to a driveline specialty shop and have them special order some for
you.

Good Luck,
Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:16 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] '72 Spit U Joints

Afternoon List Members,

Need some help nearly could have killed myself last weekend at Road
Atlanta. Last session of the day on Sunday (the actual race itself). Put
her in reverse and while backing out of my pit the right rear u joint
broke (again). It broke off one of the bearing surfaces, cracked that
cap. Ruined both rear tires as they gouged into the fender lips
shredding the tread off. Damaged one fender a little too.

I had this happen two years ago at home when loading up for a race. Same
thing reverse and let out the clutch and BANG.

Had this happened on turn 12 at race speed ..... makes me very nervous.

Anyway what's the fix I have Sommers Bros axles, and I am pretty sure
the larger GT6 flanges for the u joints, stub axles etc. I tried last
time to find a solid u joint with no grease zerks or grease holes thru
the u joint cross but in checking with  5-6 manufacturers including
Dana-Spicer no one had any.

I like my butt and want this to be safe, butttt I like to go fast too so
I want to get the fix if there is any out there. Please help!!


Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax
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From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Oct 20 16:15:27 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:15:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] '72 Spit U Joints
In-Reply-To: <D36C019FD8734F44A10C44BFEC885E2A@joepentiumnew>
References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A6115A8@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>
	<D36C019FD8734F44A10C44BFEC885E2A@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <C6C2FBBA9F784E9CAA9CDCFC6FD13860@KasPC>

I used some used on fork lifts back when we did the very first forged one 
piece axles. Very strong.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: "'Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info'" 
<info at dieselperformanceparts.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] '72 Spit U Joints


> After installing the Honda engine my autocrosser, I started breaking 
> things
> in the rear with great regularity.  Usually on exit of a sharp turn where
> the joints are at maximum flex is when the U-Joints would let go.
>
> I tried a number of different brands with little success until I found 
> some
> made by DANA Spicer.  After I installed them, I had no more breakage. 
> (That
> is when I discovered the frailty of the diff itself.)
>
> They are not found in your normal parts stores and you might (as I did) 
> have
> to go to a driveline specialty shop and have them special order some for
> you.
>
> Good Luck,
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:16 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] '72 Spit U Joints
>
> Afternoon List Members,
>
> Need some help nearly could have killed myself last weekend at Road
> Atlanta. Last session of the day on Sunday (the actual race itself). Put
> her in reverse and while backing out of my pit the right rear u joint
> broke (again). It broke off one of the bearing surfaces, cracked that
> cap. Ruined both rear tires as they gouged into the fender lips
> shredding the tread off. Damaged one fender a little too.
>
> I had this happen two years ago at home when loading up for a race. Same
> thing reverse and let out the clutch and BANG.
>
> Had this happened on turn 12 at race speed ..... makes me very nervous.
>
> Anyway what's the fix I have Sommers Bros axles, and I am pretty sure
> the larger GT6 flanges for the u joints, stub axles etc. I tried last
> time to find a solid u joint with no grease zerks or grease holes thru
> the u joint cross but in checking with  5-6 manufacturers including
> Dana-Spicer no one had any.
>
> I like my butt and want this to be safe, butttt I like to go fast too so
> I want to get the fix if there is any out there. Please help!!
>
>
> Mark Craig
> Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
> 411 Allied Drive
> Nashville, TN 37211
> 866-455-7788 Phone
> 615-834-9923 Fax
> Fot at autox.team.net
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Oct 20 17:11:34 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:11:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Preliminary video from Hallett yesterday
In-Reply-To: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>
References: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4ADE43A6.80804@pobox.com>

This was scheduled to be a big weekend for Triumphs at Hallett.  Tony 
Drews did the long tow from Illinois, which prompted Greg "Lunker" 
Hilyer to come over from New Mexico and Bob Kramer to come up from 
Texas.  Gary Fuqua rounded out the contingent of TR4s and Bobby 
Whitehead was running his GT6 in a different group.  Gary also organized 
the carport, which was greatly appreciated by all.

Unfortunately, Bob's engine decided to eat its crank scrapper on Friday. 
Gary ran very strong on Tony's tail Saturday, but didn't run Sunday due 
to pain from his shingles.  By Sunday morning, we had the two remaining 
TR4s and Bobby's GT6 running.  Apparently, the three 911 guys and the 
two Mustangs in the race group got bored, so they lobbied for a reversed 
order start on Sunday morning.  I watched the race from the lower 
bleachers, which oversee what I call the "stop and turn left" at the 
bottom of the hill.

Lunkerman Hilyer didn't finish the previous race on Saturday, so he was 
gridded near the front.  Instead of having a rabbit or a carrot to 
chase, they got number 3.14, the "Plum Pi".  Tony was gridded about a 
third of the way back in the pack. First lap around, the pi was behind 
three B sedans and Tony had worked up to eighth or so.  Next time around 
the pi was in front and Tony was fifth.  Then for the next few laps, it 
was the Lunker in front with Tony hot on his tail.  Before long, the 
911s worked through the rest of the pack and we had the two TR4's with 
the 911's and one of the the Mustangs in hot pursuit.  The two little 
Triumphs fought valiantly and held off those nasty Porshes for some 
time, but eventually they succumbed to the newer technology.  After 
that, it was a race to see which Triumph would come out ahead.  They 
fought tooth and nail and Lunker felt the increased pressure as the 
flagman indicated two laps to go.  Both Triumphs went faster and faster, 
but Tony was not able to get around the pi.  They finished with Tony 
glued to the tail of the pi.  For both cars, their fastest lap was the 
last one - both running in the 1:34s.

As a spectator, the race was great fun.  I can imagine how much fun it 
would have been for Tony and Lunker.  Here's a photo taken on about 
about the 5th lap of this 9 lap race.  I've also sent some video clips 
to Tony.  I hope he can work some magic and combine them with his in-car 
video.

http://www.tildentechnologies.com/DSC_0216a.jpg

Larry Young




Tony Drews wrote:
> Fun race, they reversed the grid for this race - slow guys up front.  
> Last video on this page:
> http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm

From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Tue Oct 20 18:08:32 2009
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:08:32 +1100
Subject: [Fot] Racing Triumphant in Australia!
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAALDENVUehEBKk+eRXeuOGncBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>

Kas,

 

Just letting you know that we got hold of the BOSCH fuel pump. It is was a
Porsche; Bosch Pump 984;

Pierburg Brand.

 

We got it into the TR6 along with changing the injectors. Got the car
qualified etc. so that our 12 car Team was ready to go on the Sunday.

 

In the  wash up, 1 team of 6 cars finished 1st place out of 220+ cars (43
teams of all makes/models, modern &old). Winning by a few hundred meters
after 6 hours of racing!!!!!

Our second team  had 2 cars drop out. One through clutch failure and the
other was run into!. This team still managed to finish 7th! So a great day
for Triumph! Especially on the 50th anniversary year!

 

One of our TR7 V8's around the track

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG1BgykSyPw

 

http://www.aroca6hour.org.au/

 

Thanks for all your help.

 

Cheers.

 

Peter Vucinic

TR4 - TSOA VICTORIA Australia

 

 

 

 

From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] 
Sent: Thursday, 15 October 2009 2:21 AM
To: Peter Vucinic
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump

 

The Bosche numbers I have are: 0580 24909  and the other which is more
expensive (a lot more) but I don't think any more effective, 0580 24996. 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Peter <mailto:pvucinic at netspace.net.au>  Vucinic 

To: 'Kas Kastner' <mailto:kaskas at cox.net>  

Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:14 PM

Subject: RE: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump

 

Kas,

Thanks mate! Appreciated. Does 044 ring a bell??

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 20 19:41:59 2009
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:41:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Condenser ?
Message-ID: <BAY123-W23650112BE3FBBDA47F2F3BABF0@phx.gbl>

I run Mallory dual points on both the TR6 and Spitfire. I have never had a
condenser go bad on the TR6. On the Spitfire they don't seem to last. Both use
Mallory #400 condensers. First, is there anything that would cause them to
take a dump more rapidly on one vehicle compared to another? Second, are the
Mallory condensers different than a generic condenser? I can get generics
anytime, sources for the Mallory's are not around the corner when one takes a
dump and I don't have a spare handy.Any opinions out there?

Thanks,
Marty

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From joeg at neb.rr.com  Tue Oct 20 20:44:23 2009
From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:44:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs
In-Reply-To: <mailman.16300.1256011026.3240.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.16300.1256011026.3240.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000901ca51f8$660fc810$0a02a8c0@Guinan>

Bob,

I run Dellorto 40's on my "warm" street Spitfire.  I run 28m chokes, which
provide good low end punch but limit high end breathing.  30mm would let me
over-rev that 1500 engine that does not like high revs.  I'm no carb guru -
but found them pretty easy to adjust for tuning.  I have a good selection of
jets and tubes, and a large collection of written material about tuning.
So, if you decide to go with the Dells, let me know and I'll send copies of
all the document files.  I'd also send my collection of brass so you can
test different main jets, idle jets and accelerator pump jets and their
assorted emulsion tubes.  You could then replace what you use or destroy.
I've found there are some things to watch out for on the Dells - if you're
interested we can take it off the FOT list to avoid boring everyone else.

I used to buy the parts from Matt at Eurocarb, LTD. I see his company is now
called Dellorto Carburatori UK.  Nice web site at
http://www.dellorto.co.uk/.

As Mark said, the Dells are almost the same as Weber DCOE carbs, but use
completely different jets and emulsion tubes.  The Webers are a LOT easier
to get parts for, and there are more people that know how to tune/adjust the
Webers.  People that like Dells will tell you they are better/more
adjustable.  I don't have experience with the Webers that would allow me to
judge.  I'd probably go with Webers if I was to start all over again - just
so much easier to get parts and advice.

Joe Guinan
Fremont, NE
-------------------------------Original
Message---------------------------------
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:36:46 -0400
From: Bob <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>

All,
Looking for opinions on Dellorto 40 carbs. Properly set up are they big
enough for a mild race motor? Any parts sources here in the states? I know
of a set with manifold for sale.
Bob
57 TR3 in process

From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Tue Oct 20 20:58:05 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:58:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Glen race
Message-ID: <00b901ca51fa$506a0640$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

Hi all, the VRG held a race at Watkins Glen last weekend. I considered going,
but didn't for various reasons.
I got a call from a friend who works the Grid; he said they got 4 inches of
snow Friday! Cold as blazes. He wore a snowmobile suit on the Grid!
They ran Saturday after the track dried, but most of the entrants went home.
There were handfulls of cars that gridded and ran.
The organizers cancelled Sunday's schedule, by what my contact told me.
Some you win, and some you don't get dressed for, although under those
circumstances, 4 layers of Nomex would probably be welcomed. I'll take 90
degrees any time!
Bill

From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 21:19:01 2009
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:19:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Condenser ?
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W23650112BE3FBBDA47F2F3BABF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-W23650112BE3FBBDA47F2F3BABF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4ADE7DA5.1030106@gmail.com>

marty sukey wrote:
> I run Mallory dual points on both the TR6 and Spitfire. I have never had a
> condenser go bad on the TR6. On the Spitfire they don't seem to last. Both use
> Mallory #400 condensers. First, is there anything that would cause them to
> take a dump more rapidly on one vehicle compared to another? Second, are the
> Mallory condensers different than a generic condenser? I can get generics
> anytime, sources for the Mallory's are not around the corner when one takes a
> dump and I don't have a spare handy.Any opinions out there?
>
>   
Been there, joined the condenser a week club and discovered that they 
are not cheaper by the dozen.

The problem boils down to the distributor body where it connects to the 
block does not make a reliable ground with Mallory distributors.  Works 
with some distributors but not with others.

The cure is to add a ground wire between the engine and the distributor 
body. 

Now if I can just figure out what to do with this pile of spare 
condensers that have been sitting around for the last couple years.  I 
got quick at swapping condensers along the side of the road though.


Teriann

From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Tue Oct 20 21:59:40 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:59:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Condenser ?
References: <BAY123-W23650112BE3FBBDA47F2F3BABF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00d801ca5202$eb02c540$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Marty, do you use an in-line resistor in both cars? Although the
condensers should be rated for way more than 12 volts.I think the rating is
.28 mfd at 600 volts.
  Is there a small braided ground wire in the distributor between the
breaker plate and the dist body? Or the engine and chassis ground cable?
Kind of grasping at straws here, but you know how British cars and grounds
are.
  I've seem problems with loose condenser mounting screws back in the Dark
Ages.
  As far as Mallory being better than another brand, with todays outsourcing
and quality control (or lack of), who knows. I use Standard brand parts on
my old tractors and they seem fine. And Pertronix on my TR6.
  Good luck, Bill


    ----- Original Message -----
  From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
  To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:41 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Condenser ?


  > I run Mallory dual points on both the TR6 and Spitfire. I have never had
a
  > condenser go bad on the TR6. On the Spitfire they don't seem to last.
Both use
  > Mallory #400 condensers. First, is there anything that would cause them
to
  > take a dump more rapidly on one vehicle compared to another? Second, are
the
  > Mallory condensers different than a generic condenser? I can get
generics
  > anytime, sources for the Mallory's are not around the corner when one
takes a
  > dump and I don't have a spare handy.Any opinions out there?
  >
  > Thanks,
  > Marty
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue Oct 20 22:26:57 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:26:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Condenser ?
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W23650112BE3FBBDA47F2F3BABF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-W23650112BE3FBBDA47F2F3BABF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D2A20809-C0AB-4999-894D-628860812D13@bnj.com>

I know this has been covered before, but if you want condensers to  
last you need to sand the case to ensure they get a good ground. the  
coat them with lacquer. You can solder the clamp to the case or just  
use a little contact grease--you can get the stuff at Radio shack.

You could indeed buy a better quality condenser. Industrial condensers  
with two leads instead of a grounded case. Make sure it's high  
voltage, as I recollect you want at least a 400V condenser and it  
should be about .2--.25 microfarads. Not an electrolytic--those are  
polarized. You need a good paper condenser.

Just about any car condenser will work, you could go to napa and ask  
what they have. I generally use Mallory and just sand them. Of course  
right now Peyote has a Pertronics in it. Tony wanted to stick it back  
in. It's working fine. Of course the first time it farts I'm going to  
want points back in the thing. They do seem to be tolerating lower  
voltages a lot better than they used to. I'm still offended that they  
charge extra to put in steering diodes that should have been in place  
to begin with.


On Oct 20, 2009, at 6:41 PM, marty sukey wrote:

> I run Mallory dual points on both the TR6 and Spitfire. I have never  
> had a
> condenser go bad on the TR6. On the Spitfire they don't seem to  
> last. Both use
> Mallory #400 condensers. First, is there anything that would cause  
> them to
> take a dump more rapidly on one vehicle compared to another? Second,  
> are the
> Mallory condensers different than a generic condenser? I can get  
> generics
> anytime, sources for the Mallory's are not around the corner when  
> one takes a
> dump and I don't have a spare handy.Any opinions out there?
>
> Thanks,
> Marty
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue Oct 20 22:31:06 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:31:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs
In-Reply-To: <000901ca51f8$660fc810$0a02a8c0@Guinan>
References: <mailman.16300.1256011026.3240.fot@autox.team.net>
	<000901ca51f8$660fc810$0a02a8c0@Guinan>
Message-ID: <BAACF616-03A2-4D37-84F9-AC619B9E44B7@bnj.com>

Same situation as the Mikuni/Solex weber lookalikes. Functionally  
identical but the brass bits work differently.
On Oct 20, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Joe Guinan wrote:

> Bob,
>
> I run Dellorto 40's on my "warm" street Spitfire.  I run 28m chokes,  
> which
> provide good low end punch but limit high end breathing.  30mm would  
> let me
> over-rev that 1500 engine that does not like high revs.  I'm no carb  
> guru -
> but found them pretty easy to adjust for tuning.  I have a good  
> selection of
> jets and tubes, and a large collection of written material about  
> tuning.
> So, if you decide to go with the Dells, let me know and I'll send  
> copies of
> all the document files.  I'd also send my collection of brass so you  
> can
> test different main jets, idle jets and accelerator pump jets and  
> their
> assorted emulsion tubes.  You could then replace what you use or  
> destroy.
> I've found there are some things to watch out for on the Dells - if  
> you're
> interested we can take it off the FOT list to avoid boring everyone  
> else.
>
> I used to buy the parts from Matt at Eurocarb, LTD. I see his  
> company is now
> called Dellorto Carburatori UK.  Nice web site at
> http://www.dellorto.co.uk/.
>
> As Mark said, the Dells are almost the same as Weber DCOE carbs, but  
> use
> completely different jets and emulsion tubes.  The Webers are a LOT  
> easier
> to get parts for, and there are more people that know how to tune/ 
> adjust the
> Webers.  People that like Dells will tell you they are better/more
> adjustable.  I don't have experience with the Webers that would  
> allow me to
> judge.  I'd probably go with Webers if I was to start all over again  
> - just
> so much easier to get parts and advice.
>
> Joe Guinan
> Fremont, NE
> -------------------------------Original
> Message---------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:36:46 -0400
> From: Bob <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
> Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs
> To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>
> All,
> Looking for opinions on Dellorto 40 carbs. Properly set up are they  
> big
> enough for a mild race motor? Any parts sources here in the states?  
> I know
> of a set with manifold for sale.
> Bob
> 57 TR3 in process
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Tue Oct 20 23:47:05 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:47:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Condenser ?
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W23650112BE3FBBDA47F2F3BABF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-W23650112BE3FBBDA47F2F3BABF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CC20290DE03717-2A50-1BBD8@webmail-m080.sysops.aol.com>

 Seems we've been down this road before.  Mallory condensers going bad for no
apparent reason or a bad production run at the factory.  With everyone
chirping in its this and its that or Mallory is not the way to go.  Well I
have found that it is almost always a BAD GROUND.  When I switched to a
Mallory in my Spit I was concerned about reliability.  Seems a friend with his
TR6 was going through a condenser every time he had the car out and was under
the belief if was bad condensers.  But all the years I have had mine I have
yet to replace any parts, let alone condensers.  Yes, I have several on the
shelf including points, rotors and caps, lot of money on spares.

At the same time I ordered my Mallory I checked with a few electronics friends
of mine and basically assured me that if everything is grounded well a
condenser should never fail.  Maybe after many years of service and cycles of
temperature and moisture changes one could fail.

My advise is to check all the ground connections on the vehicle, especially
body/chassis to the engine and of course the battery.


Best of Luck,
Bob T







-----Original Message-----
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:41 pm
Subject: [Fot] Condenser ?










I run Mallory dual points on both the TR6 and Spitfire. I have never had a
condenser go bad on the TR6. On the Spitfire they don't seem to last. Both
use
Mallory #400 condensers. First, is there anything that would cause them to
take a dump more rapidly on one vehicle compared to another? Second, are the
Mallory condensers different than a generic condenser? I can get generics
anytime, sources for the Mallory's are not around the corner when one takes a
dump and I don't have a spare handy.Any opinions out there?

Thanks,
Marty

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Oct 21 00:46:05 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:46:05 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Racing Triumphant in Australia!
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAALDENVUehEBKk+eRXeuOGncBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
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Message-ID: <001401ca521a$2bddbd60$83993820$@com>

Really great driving.
I like that. Makes me thinking to move on to a TR8. A TR4 never has that
kind of performance.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Peter Vucinic
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Oktober 2009 02:09
An: 'Kas Kastner'
Cc: FOT
Betreff: [Fot] Racing Triumphant in Australia!

Kas,



Just letting you know that we got hold of the BOSCH fuel pump. It is was a
Porsche; Bosch Pump 984;

Pierburg Brand.



We got it into the TR6 along with changing the injectors. Got the car
qualified etc. so that our 12 car Team was ready to go on the Sunday.



In the  wash up, 1 team of 6 cars finished 1st place out of 220+ cars (43
teams of all makes/models, modern &old). Winning by a few hundred meters
after 6 hours of racing!!!!!

Our second team  had 2 cars drop out. One through clutch failure and the
other was run into!. This team still managed to finish 7th! So a great day
for Triumph! Especially on the 50th anniversary year!



One of our TR7 V8's around the track



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG1BgykSyPw



http://www.aroca6hour.org.au/



Thanks for all your help.



Cheers.



Peter Vucinic

TR4 - TSOA VICTORIA Australia









From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, 15 October 2009 2:21 AM
To: Peter Vucinic
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump



The Bosche numbers I have are: 0580 24909  and the other which is more
expensive (a lot more) but I don't think any more effective, 0580 24996.

----- Original Message -----

From: Peter <mailto:pvucinic at netspace.net.au>  Vucinic

To: 'Kas Kastner' <mailto:kaskas at cox.net>

Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:14 PM

Subject: RE: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump



Kas,

Thanks mate! Appreciated. Does 044 ring a bell??
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 21 04:29:44 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 03:29:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Preliminary video from Hallett yesterday
In-Reply-To: <4ADE43A6.80804@pobox.com>
References: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>
	<4ADE43A6.80804@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <625365.98140.qm@web80807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Larry,

Nice shot. A couple of questions. Why is the yellow flag being
displayed? Is there
something out of picture? Also, does the cable really help
the bucket truck keep
from tipping? It doesn't seem to stable.

Thanks,

Doug
________________________________
From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
To:
Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
Cc: gctok <gctok at cox.net>; Sam Clark
<TRDOCTOR at aol.com>; FOT <fot at autox.team.net>; Tom Young <saabhuman at aim.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Preliminary
video from Hallett yesterday

This was scheduled to be a big weekend for
Triumphs at Hallett.  Tony Drews did the long tow from Illinois, which
prompted Greg "Lunker" Hilyer to come over from New Mexico and Bob Kramer to
come up from Texas.  Gary Fuqua rounded out the contingent of TR4s and Bobby
Whitehead was running his GT6 in a different group.  Gary also organized the
carport, which was greatly appreciated by all.

Unfortunately, Bob's engine
decided to eat its crank scrapper on Friday. Gary ran very strong on Tony's
tail Saturday, but didn't run Sunday due to pain from his shingles.  By Sunday
morning, we had the two remaining TR4s and Bobby's GT6 running.  Apparently,
the three 911 guys and the two Mustangs in the race group got bored, so they
lobbied for a reversed order start on Sunday morning.  I watched the race from
the lower bleachers, which oversee what I call the "stop and turn left" at the
bottom of the hill.

Lunkerman Hilyer didn't finish the previous race on
Saturday, so he was gridded near the front.  Instead of having a rabbit or a
carrot to chase, they got number 3.14, the "Plum Pi".  Tony was gridded about
a third of the way back in the pack. First lap around, the pi was behind three
B sedans and Tony had worked up to eighth or so.  Next time around the pi was
in front and Tony was fifth.  Then for the next few laps, it was the Lunker in
front with Tony hot on his tail.  Before long, the 911s worked through the
rest of the pack and we had the two TR4's with the 911's and one of the the
Mustangs in hot pursuit.  The two little Triumphs fought valiantly and held
off those nasty Porshes for some time, but eventually they succumbed to the
newer technology.  After that, it was a race to see which Triumph would come
out ahead.  They fought tooth and nail and Lunker felt the increased pressure
as the flagman indicated two laps to go.  Both Triumphs
 went faster and faster, but Tony was not able to get around the pi.  They
finished with Tony glued to the tail of the pi.  For both cars, their fastest
lap was the last one - both running in the 1:34s.

As a spectator, the race
was great fun.  I can imagine how much fun it would have been for Tony and
Lunker.  Here's a photo taken on about about the 5th lap of this 9 lap race. 
I've also sent some video clips to Tony.  I hope he can work some magic and
combine them with his in-car video.
http://www.tildentechnologies.com/DSC_0216a.jpg

Larry Young




Tony Drews
wrote:
> Fun race, they reversed the grid for this race - slow guys up front. 
Last video on this page:
> http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Oct 21 07:17:23 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:17:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Preliminary video from Hallett yesterday
In-Reply-To: <4ADE43A6.80804@pobox.com>
References: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>
	<4ADE43A6.80804@pobox.com>
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Interesting photo - why is the Lotus 7 passing or being passed by the
blue car, while the yellow flagger at the corner is madly waving yellow?
:-)

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Larry Young
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 6:12 PM
To: Tony Drews
Cc: gctok; Sam Clark; FOT; Tom Young
Subject: Re: [Fot] Preliminary video from Hallett yesterday

This was scheduled to be a big weekend for Triumphs at Hallett.  Tony
Drews did the long tow from Illinois, which prompted Greg "Lunker"
Hilyer to come over from New Mexico and Bob Kramer to come up from
Texas.  Gary Fuqua rounded out the contingent of TR4s and Bobby
Whitehead was running his GT6 in a different group.  Gary also organized

the carport, which was greatly appreciated by all.

Unfortunately, Bob's engine decided to eat its crank scrapper on Friday.

Gary ran very strong on Tony's tail Saturday, but didn't run Sunday due
to pain from his shingles.  By Sunday morning, we had the two remaining
TR4s and Bobby's GT6 running.  Apparently, the three 911 guys and the
two Mustangs in the race group got bored, so they lobbied for a reversed

order start on Sunday morning.  I watched the race from the lower
bleachers, which oversee what I call the "stop and turn left" at the
bottom of the hill.

Lunkerman Hilyer didn't finish the previous race on Saturday, so he was
gridded near the front.  Instead of having a rabbit or a carrot to
chase, they got number 3.14, the "Plum Pi".  Tony was gridded about a
third of the way back in the pack. First lap around, the pi was behind
three B sedans and Tony had worked up to eighth or so.  Next time around

the pi was in front and Tony was fifth.  Then for the next few laps, it
was the Lunker in front with Tony hot on his tail.  Before long, the
911s worked through the rest of the pack and we had the two TR4's with
the 911's and one of the the Mustangs in hot pursuit.  The two little
Triumphs fought valiantly and held off those nasty Porshes for some
time, but eventually they succumbed to the newer technology.  After
that, it was a race to see which Triumph would come out ahead.  They
fought tooth and nail and Lunker felt the increased pressure as the
flagman indicated two laps to go.  Both Triumphs went faster and faster,

but Tony was not able to get around the pi.  They finished with Tony
glued to the tail of the pi.  For both cars, their fastest lap was the
last one - both running in the 1:34s.

As a spectator, the race was great fun.  I can imagine how much fun it
would have been for Tony and Lunker.  Here's a photo taken on about
about the 5th lap of this 9 lap race.  I've also sent some video clips
to Tony.  I hope he can work some magic and combine them with his in-car

video.

http://www.tildentechnologies.com/DSC_0216a.jpg

Larry Young




Tony Drews wrote:
> Fun race, they reversed the grid for this race - slow guys up front.
> Last video on this page:
> http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Oct 21 08:26:00 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:26:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Preliminary video from Hallett yesterday
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3EF1@svr-exch01.mccarty-
	law.com>
References: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>
	<4ADE43A6.80804@pobox.com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3EF1@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <20091021142653.A472718765F@autox.team.net>

The Lotus is the passer, the blue car the passee, and they just 
crested a hill to see the waving yellow.  There's a car off to 
drivers right off the bottom of the shot - he pulled safely off the track.

- Tony

At 08:17 AM 10/21/2009, Barr, Scott wrote:
>Interesting photo - why is the Lotus 7 passing or being passed by the
>blue car, while the yellow flagger at the corner is madly waving yellow?
>:-)
>
>Scott

From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Oct 21 08:40:01 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:40:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs
In-Reply-To: <4ADCE9FE.8090505@cfl.rr.com>
References: <4ADCE9FE.8090505@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20091021144050.6351618765F@autox.team.net>

As far as the "big enough for a mild race motor", the answer is 
yes.  However the top guys seem to run weber 45 DCOE's - I've got a 
set on the shelf that I'm considering installing.  In my non-mild 
race motor, the 42's (really 40's inside) aren't quite big enough (I think).

- Tony Drews

At 05:36 PM 10/19/2009, Bob wrote:
>All,
>
>Looking for opinions on Dellorto 40 carbs. Properly set up are they 
>big enough for a mild race motor? Any parts sources here in the 
>states? I know of a set with manifold for sale.
>
>Bob
>57 TR3 in process
>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Oct 21 20:48:01 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:48:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Re-nomination - John Wagner
Message-ID: <20091022024852.33FB318764B@autox.team.net>

John Wagner dropped off of the FOT in a computer swap - I assume his 
e-mail address changed.  It is now J.Wags63 at yahoo.com.  He keeps John 
Frederici's (I always spell that wrong) TR-3 on the track.

Can we get John back in the good graces of unix land?  :)

Thanks, Tony Drews

From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Oct 21 21:17:47 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:17:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Re-nomination - John Wagner
In-Reply-To: <20091022024852.33FB318764B@autox.team.net>
References: <20091022024852.33FB318764B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4ADFCEDB.3080604@bradakis.com>

> Can we get John back in the good graces of unix land?  :)

It is so.


mjb.

From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Wed Oct 21 21:19:20 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:19:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Re-nomination - John Wagner
In-Reply-To: <20091022024852.33FB318764B@autox.team.net>
References: <20091022024852.33FB318764B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000601ca52c6$73283ea0$5978bbe0$@com>

Gladly second that.  John has been quite helpful to us as he also lives in
Fond du Lac.

Tim Murphy

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:48 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: j.wags63 at yahoo.com
Subject: [Fot] Re-nomination - John Wagner

John Wagner dropped off of the FOT in a computer swap - I assume his 
e-mail address changed.  It is now J.Wags63 at yahoo.com.  He keeps John 
Frederici's (I always spell that wrong) TR-3 on the track.

Can we get John back in the good graces of unix land?  :)

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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Thu Oct 22 05:10:52 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:10:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: most of my Can-Am pics
Message-ID: <014301ca5308$51d0e990$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Hi all. This isn't Triumph related, but it is race related. It's from an old
pal of mine from the early '70's who put some photos on his Facebook site.
Quite interesting.
  What would those cars be worth today?
  BTW, I'm in a few of them. Nice looking blond in some of them also.
  Bill ----- Original Message -----
  From: mike andrews
  To: WILLIAM TOBIN
  Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:05 PM
  Subject: most of my Can-Am pics


  http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=12859&id=1675339458&l=4101ca2578

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From j.wags63 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 22 14:21:10 2009
From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:21:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] re-nomination
Message-ID: <167036.52069.qm@web59510.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

     Thanks Tony for getting me back on FOT.
In 1992 I met John Fridirici,and he asked me to take a look at his race car(something about the rearend). So I went over to his
place  and there sat this brick, painted plumb crazy purple and a grill that looked like big fat lip. Then he told me it had a 4cyl. tractor engine for power.I thought,  "O dear what did I get into". My kind of racing was a big block chevy rear engine rail. Well we have been racing and having fun ever since,and along the way I got to know guys like Mike Belfer ,and Jack Drews both aways willing to help with any thing I would ask.
     So enough about me. At the Fall race at RA we had a wrist pin C lock leave home causing death and distrution to said tractor
engine. What I would like to know is ,what is the hot setup for pistons.      flat tops, domes, coatings (side and tops) compression height and most of all brand.
     thank you
    Just the  wrench
    John Wagner
    j.wags at yahoo.com

From horizonracing at msn.com  Thu Oct 22 14:38:43 2009
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:38:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: most of my Can-Am pics
In-Reply-To: <014301ca5308$51d0e990$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
References: <014301ca5308$51d0e990$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W28337D34387D7D183795B6B2BE0@phx.gbl>

Bill,

Great stuff ! send more! I work and race on a McLaren M8c, so this topic is
REALLY cool.



Tony

> From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:10:52 -0400
> Subject: [Fot] Fw: most of my Can-Am pics
>
> Hi all. This isn't Triumph related, but it is race related. It's from an
old
> pal of mine from the early '70's who put some photos on his Facebook site.
> Quite interesting.
> What would those cars be worth today?
> BTW, I'm in a few of them. Nice looking blond in some of them also.
> Bill ----- Original Message -----
> From: mike andrews
> To: WILLIAM TOBIN
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:05 PM
> Subject: most of my Can-Am pics
>
>
> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=12859&id=1675339458&l=4101ca2578
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From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Oct 22 15:26:40 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:26:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: most of my Can-Am pics
In-Reply-To: <BLU136-W28337D34387D7D183795B6B2BE0@phx.gbl>
References: <014301ca5308$51d0e990$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
	<BLU136-W28337D34387D7D183795B6B2BE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330910221426h15ff18abp41e2fec8b2bd6109@mail.gmail.com>

oooohhhh, aaaahhhhh!

Those reminded me of my favourite CanAm bench racing story heard at an SCCA
National Convention...Oscar Kovaleski driving his McLaren _to_ (yes, to, not
at) Watkins Glen after suffering a trailer problem.

I can only imagine it.




On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey <
horizonracing at msn.com> wrote:

> Bill,
>
> Great stuff ! send more! I work and race on a McLaren M8c, so this topic is
> REALLY cool.
>
>
>
> Tony
>
> > From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net
> > To: fot at autox.team.net
> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:10:52 -0400
> > Subject: [Fot] Fw: most of my Can-Am pics
> >
> > Hi all. This isn't Triumph related, but it is race related. It's from an
> old
> > pal of mine from the early '70's who put some photos on his Facebook
> site.
> > Quite interesting.
> > What would those cars be worth today?
> > BTW, I'm in a few of them. Nice looking blond in some of them also.
> > Bill ----- Original Message -----
> > From: mike andrews
> > To: WILLIAM TOBIN
> > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:05 PM
> > Subject: most of my Can-Am pics
> >
> >
> > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=12859&id=1675339458&l=4101ca2578
> >
> > --
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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Oct 22 15:58:40 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:58:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: most of my Can-Am pics
References: <014301ca5308$51d0e990$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae><BLU136-W28337D34387D7D183795B6B2BE0@phx.gbl>
	<d9f7bd330910221426h15ff18abp41e2fec8b2bd6109@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B2589B2AB9794D67BB56097745109DF0@Bud>

those were terrific days...It was so cool to race in regionals as support 
races for those guys..
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "robert bownes" <bownes at seiri.com>
To: "Tony and Annie Garmey" <horizonracing at msn.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: most of my Can-Am pics


> oooohhhh, aaaahhhhh!
>
> Those reminded me of my favourite CanAm bench racing story heard at an 
> SCCA
> National Convention...Oscar Kovaleski driving his McLaren _to_ (yes, to, 
> not
> at) Watkins Glen after suffering a trailer problem.
>
> I can only imagine it.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey <
> horizonracing at msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>>
>> Great stuff ! send more! I work and race on a McLaren M8c, so this topic 
>> is
>> REALLY cool.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> > From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net
>> > To: fot at autox.team.net
>> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:10:52 -0400
>> > Subject: [Fot] Fw: most of my Can-Am pics
>> >
>> > Hi all. This isn't Triumph related, but it is race related. It's from 
>> > an
>> old
>> > pal of mine from the early '70's who put some photos on his Facebook
>> site.
>> > Quite interesting.
>> > What would those cars be worth today?
>> > BTW, I'm in a few of them. Nice looking blond in some of them also.
>> > Bill ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: mike andrews
>> > To: WILLIAM TOBIN
>> > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:05 PM
>> > Subject: most of my Can-Am pics
>> >
>> >
>> > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=12859&id=1675339458&l=4101ca2578
>> >
>> > --
>> > mka
>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Sun Oct 25 14:53:48 2009
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:53:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Glen race
In-Reply-To: <00b901ca51fa$506a0640$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
References: <00b901ca51fa$506a0640$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <6809CD1070DB43C2A077B18EA967D542@INSPIRON>

Does anyone have a line on what went on in Millvile N J last weekend ? 
thanks
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" <william.tobin3 at verizon.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:58 PM
Subject: [Fot] Glen race


> Hi all, the VRG held a race at Watkins Glen last weekend. I considered 
> going,
> but didn't for various reasons.
> I got a call from a friend who works the Grid; he said they got 4 inches 
> of
> snow Friday! Cold as blazes. He wore a snowmobile suit on the Grid!
> They ran Saturday after the track dried, but most of the entrants went 
> home.
> There were handfulls of cars that gridded and ran.
> The organizers cancelled Sunday's schedule, by what my contact told me.
> Some you win, and some you don't get dressed for, although under those
> circumstances, 4 layers of Nomex would probably be welcomed. I'll take 90
> degrees any time!
> Bill
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 23 18:09:42 2009
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:09:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
Message-ID: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

The car is getting closer.  The engine is back the fuel cell is installed the
additions to the roll cage are almost completed.

I am looking for imput on
the distributor.  My engine guy said the weights on the distributor seem to be
stuck.  I have not taken it apart to see what the deal is.  With all that said
is there suggestion on what I should do with the distributor.  Should I get
this one rebuilt.  Should I buy a new one? Should I do the pertronix
distributor? 

Thanks

Mike
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From billb at bnj.com  Fri Oct 23 18:25:51 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:25:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
In-Reply-To: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CCF103A-6E1F-49DC-9EFB-846BC3073AB6@bnj.com>

Assuming you have a Lucas disty, it needs to be rebuilt before you use  
it in a serious motor. A pertronix will help, but the advance needs to  
work and the curve needs to be right. Also nice if the shaft isn't  
wobbling
On Oct 23, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Mike Mehl wrote:

> The car is getting closer.  The engine is back the fuel cell is  
> installed the
> additions to the roll cage are almost completed.
>
> I am looking for imput on
> the distributor.  My engine guy said the weights on the distributor  
> seem to be
> stuck.  I have not taken it apart to see what the deal is.  With all  
> that said
> is there suggestion on what I should do with the distributor.   
> Should I get
> this one rebuilt.  Should I buy a new one? Should I do the pertronix
> distributor?
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Fri Oct 23 20:13:39 2009
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:13:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
In-Reply-To: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca544f$9a978010$cfc68030$@racer@comcast.net>

Mike:

As part of your research, I'd recommend you contact Jeff at Advanced
Distributor (www.advanceddistributors.com) in Minnesota.  He was recommended
to me by Joe Alexander.  I had a dual-point Mallory distributor go bad and
after talking with Jeff, decided to buy one of his rebuilt, Pertronix
equipped, Lucas units with an advance curve tailor made for my 1962 TR4
vintage racer.  Price was $225, vintage correct, works like a charm and
promptly delivered.  Jeff supplies advance spec on outside of package so you
know how to install it and he can also supply spare parts for the Lucas
(cap, rotor, etc) and provide a trade in for your old Lucas unit if you have
one to send. He also recommended Magnecor spark plug wires which I bought
directly from Magnecor.

Worth checking out.  I have no financial interest, just a recommendation for
a good supplier.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mike Mehl
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 5:10 PM
To: Triumph Friends of
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed

The car is getting closer.  The engine is back the fuel cell is installed
the
additions to the roll cage are almost completed.

I am looking for imput on
the distributor.  My engine guy said the weights on the distributor seem to
be
stuck.  I have not taken it apart to see what the deal is.  With all that
said
is there suggestion on what I should do with the distributor.  Should I get
this one rebuilt.  Should I buy a new one? Should I do the pertronix
distributor? 

Thanks

Mike
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Oct 23 21:50:11 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:50:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
In-Reply-To: <000001ca544f$9a978010$cfc68030$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<000001ca544f$9a978010$cfc68030$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4AE27973.2030709@bradakis.com>

A pertronix unit replaces the points, it does nothing for the advance.
Get those weights and springs under the plate in working order.

mjb.

From triosan at gmail.com  Sat Oct 24 09:33:54 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:33:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
In-Reply-To: <4AE27973.2030709@bradakis.com>
References: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<4AE27973.2030709@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0910240833u690f5f7ib4873a9d1a2c26f2@mail.gmail.com>

Pertronix also makes the entire distibutor for the 4 and 6.  Works great.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> A pertronix unit replaces the points, it does nothing for the advance.
> Get those weights and springs under the plate in working order.
>
> mjb.
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From KENMUN at aol.com  Sat Oct 24 13:07:36 2009
From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:07:36 EDT
Subject: [Fot] water in the oil
Message-ID: <d60.5bd46ac4.3814aa78@aol.com>

fot, i just finished a rebuild on my tr3 race motor. i ran it for about 1  
hr. and was very disappointed to find water in the oil. the water appears as 
 drops in the oil on top of the head. there is a milky film inside the 
valve  cover, there was about 1 qrt of water that came out first when i drained 
the  oil. also the water seems to be leaking out at the rate of 1 table 
spoon/day  even though the car isn't running. it has to be the figure 8 gasket, 
the head  gasket or both right? any tests that i could run to find out 
which? the motor is  87mm,10.5/1 cr, figure 8 gaskets with copper coat, liners up 
.004"/.005",  copper head gasket with a sealant. all ideas, tests, 
theories, suggestions  welcome. anyone successfully running the composite head 
gasket with the head  milled to where the intake pocket is removed? thanks for 
the help, ken  m.

From malaboge at aol.com  Sat Oct 24 13:47:34 2009
From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:47:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] water in the oil
In-Reply-To: <d60.5bd46ac4.3814aa78@aol.com>
References: <d60.5bd46ac4.3814aa78@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC22F9F731C0A5-55C4-EDD0@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com>

Ken-


Does there appear to be more water sitting at the rear of the cyl head when
you take the vc off?  Unfortunately, the block often cracks at the rear stud
and the water immediately finds its way out of the cooling system and up the
stud and onto the head.  Try running it with the vc off and see if water
appears as if by majic at that stud.  If so, try wrapping solid core solder
around the stud betwixt head and washer, put washer and nut back on, re-torque
and pray...
If all that looks good, I'm afraid you've got to repeat everything you just
did with new fo 8's...bummer.


Leakin a little myself...
    Nick in Nor Cal


-----Original Message-----
From: KENMUN at aol.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:07 pm
Subject: [Fot] water in the oil








fot, i just finished a rebuild on my tr3 race motor. i ran it for about 1
hr. and was very disappointed to find water in the oil. the water appears as
 drops in the oil on top of the head. there is a milky film inside the
valve  cover, there was about 1 qrt of water that came out first when i
drained
the  oil. also the water seems to be leaking out at the rate of 1 table
spoon/day  even though the car isn't running. it has to be the figure 8
gasket,
the head  gasket or both right? any tests that i could run to find out
which? the motor is  87mm,10.5/1 cr, figure 8 gaskets with copper coat, liners
up
.004"/.005",  copper head gasket with a sealant. all ideas, tests,
theories, suggestions  welcome. anyone successfully running the composite head
gasket with the head  milled to where the intake pocket is removed? thanks for
the help, ken  m.
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From kaskas at cox.net  Sat Oct 24 14:01:43 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:01:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Mike Munson
Message-ID: <55E947480B8F4FC4BC633620E96DBC49@KasPC>

Please contact me off line Mike. (E-mail) kaskas at cox.net

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Kas Kastner.vcf]

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Oct 24 15:00:56 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:00:56 +0200
Subject: [Fot] water in the oil
In-Reply-To: <d60.5bd46ac4.3814aa78@aol.com>
References: <d60.5bd46ac4.3814aa78@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000901ca54ed$15e286f0$41a794d0$@com>

The block likes to crack at stud #9, often into the area above the tappets.
Difficult to weld.
To find out from where the water comes:
Remove the oil pan and have a look from down stairs into the engine.
Normally water drops are visible.
For the figure 8 gasket I use a thick coat of silicone to insulate the
gasket from contact with water to prevent corrosion. For the steel head
gasket I use a new sealant which worked fine 'till now.

Cheers
Chris

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Auftrag von KENMUN at aol.com
Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Oktober 2009 21:08
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] water in the oil

fot, i just finished a rebuild on my tr3 race motor. i ran it for about 1
hr. and was very disappointed to find water in the oil. the water appears as

 drops in the oil on top of the head. there is a milky film inside the
valve  cover, there was about 1 qrt of water that came out first when i
drained
the  oil. also the water seems to be leaking out at the rate of 1 table
spoon/day  even though the car isn't running. it has to be the figure 8
gasket,
the head  gasket or both right? any tests that i could run to find out
which? the motor is  87mm,10.5/1 cr, figure 8 gaskets with copper coat,
liners up
.004"/.005",  copper head gasket with a sealant. all ideas, tests,
theories, suggestions  welcome. anyone successfully running the composite
head
gasket with the head  milled to where the intake pocket is removed? thanks
for
the help, ken  m.
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sun Oct 25 11:58:56 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:58:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] False or skewed EGT readings in a TR4
Message-ID: <58DF9E091DCB4B32B3686724B59EC953@hal9000>

I think Im getting false EGT readings due to airflow over the #1 header
tube.

The probes are about 1-1/4 from the flange in #s 1 & 4 tubes.

Im using Mikuni HSR cabs. When jetting, needle settings and pilot air screw
settings

are equal front to rear I get equal EGT front to rear while static. As soon
as I drive the car

or turn on the electric fan then my front EGT reading drops. Thats why I
believe its air

flow over the exhaust and not jetting. By the way, I dont use a fan shroud,
with the Griffin

radiator I dont need it. I fabricated a small shroud for the front tube,

it only had a mild effect.

At wide open my AFR reads 14.6  14.7   In order to keep the rear temps from
going over

1,250  1,300 I have to run in my rear pilot air screw to within = - > turn
from bottom

it really wants to be 1 to 1.5 turns out.

Another bothersome thing is I am using the fattest jet needles made for
those carbs and

I race at 5,000 feet( Colorado). Before I went to the larger

jet needles my temps were 1,300 -1,400 unless I ran the pilot air screw in
to within < - =

from bottom. Im going to the Topeka race next year which is 800 ft above
sea level

so I need to get it worked out by then.

I really dont know what my EGTs are at wide open or at least I dont trust
the readings Im getting.

Does anyone else have this problem and if so how are you dealing with it?

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sun Oct 25 11:59:45 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:59:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW: False or skewed EGT readings in a TR4
Message-ID: <7DD94E24F56B40A5887DCABBE4BDBAB9@hal9000>

  _____

From: Jim Gray [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net]
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 12:59 PM
To: Friends of triumph (fot at autox.team.net)
Subject: False or skewed EGT readings in a TR4



I think Im getting false EGT readings due to airflow over the #1 header
tube.

The probes are about 1-1/4 from the flange in #s 1 & 4 tubes.

Im using Mikuni HSR cabs. When jetting, needle settings and pilot air screw
settings

are equal front to rear I get equal EGT front to rear while static. As soon
as I drive the car

or turn on the electric fan then my front EGT reading drops. Thats why I
believe its air

flow over the exhaust and not jetting. By the way, I dont use a fan shroud,
with the Griffin

radiator I dont need it. I fabricated a small shroud for the front tube,

it only had a mild effect.

At wide open my AFR reads 14.6  14.7   In order to keep the rear temps from
going over

1,250  1,300 I have to run in my rear pilot air screw to within = - > turn
from bottom

it really wants to be 1 to 1.5 turns out.

Another bothersome thing is I am using the fattest jet needles made for
those carbs and

I race at 5,000 feet( Colorado). Before I went to the larger

jet needles my temps were 1,300 -1,400 unless I ran the pilot air screw in
to within < - =

from bottom. Im going to the Topeka race next year which is 800 ft above
sea level

so I need to get it worked out by then.

I really dont know what my EGTs are at wide open or at least I dont trust
the readings Im getting.

Does anyone else have this problem and if so how are you dealing with it?





Oops sent to soon,

Thanks for any input,



Jim G

From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct 25 14:33:19 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:33:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] OT: Simone Smiljanic
Message-ID: <000601ca55ba$c5bcc040$513640c0$@net>

Amici,

I don't know if any of you know Simone, she has been the voice of Control
for
IRL and ALMS for quite a while, and I am sure some of you may have met her
at club races before that.

Simone had a stroke a week ago, 10-17. She is in intensive care at hospital
in
Cincinnati. My understanding is that she will be going to a rehab facility
this
coming week.

If you would like more info, please check out her CaringBridge website at
http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/simonesmiljanic

Cheers,

Doug

--
Doug Mitchell
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Oct 25 16:43:43 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:43:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
In-Reply-To: <000001ca544f$9a978010$cfc68030$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<000001ca544f$9a978010$cfc68030$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8CC23E41F02AC77-26CC-336C6@webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com>

I just spent some time with Jeff in Minneapolis....only way to go.

he has found a very valuable niche and does well with it

joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Horstkorta <vintage.racer at comcast.net>
To: 'Mike Mehl' <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; 'Triumph Friends of'
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2009 9:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed



Mike:
As part of your research, I'd recommend you contact Jeff at Advanced
istributor (www.advanceddistributors.com) in Minnesota.  He was recommended
o me by Joe Alexander.  I had a dual-point Mallory distributor go bad and
fter talking with Jeff, decided to buy one of his rebuilt, Pertronix
quipped, Lucas units with an advance curve tailor made for my 1962 TR4
intage racer.  Price was $225, vintage correct, works like a charm and
romptly delivered.  Jeff supplies advance spec on outside of package so you
now how to install it and he can also supply spare parts for the Lucas
cap, rotor, etc) and provide a trade in for your old Lucas unit if you have
ne to send. He also recommended Magnecor spark plug wires which I bought
irectly from Magnecor.
Worth checking out.  I have no financial interest, just a recommendation for
 good supplier.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
ehalf Of Mike Mehl
ent: Friday, October 23, 2009 5:10 PM
o: Triumph Friends of
ubject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
The car is getting closer.  The engine is back the fuel cell is installed
he
dditions to the roll cage are almost completed.
I am looking for imput on
he distributor.  My engine guy said the weights on the distributor seem to
e
tuck.  I have not taken it apart to see what the deal is.  With all that
aid
s there suggestion on what I should do with the distributor.  Should I get
his one rebuilt.  Should I buy a new one? Should I do the pertronix
istributor?
Thanks
Mike
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From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Oct 26 08:17:53 2009
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:17:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
References: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4AE27973.2030709@bradakis.com>
	<8cbd782d0910240833u690f5f7ib4873a9d1a2c26f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001001ca564f$7e326f00$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Anybody ever try is "Smokey's way"/
For serious race engines, Yunick said to ditch
the advance mechanism all together and
lock the thing down.  to start, start to spin engine
over w/ ign off , then turn on ign.
an MG twin cam point plate can be useful if
you can find one.


  art de armond


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>
To: "Mark J Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed


> Pertronix also makes the entire distibutor for the 4 and 6.  Works great.
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> 
> wrote:
>> A pertronix unit replaces the points, it does nothing for the advance.
>> Get those weights and springs under the plate in working order.
>>
>> mjb.
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From mini at wi.rr.com  Mon Oct 26 19:01:59 2009
From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:01:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
Message-ID: <4AE65497.9080205@wi.rr.com>

Just food for thought and discussion!  Given that most British 
distributors will give full advance at 3000 to 3500 RPM, and the speeds 
that most of your race engines run at under race conditions (nether our 
Mini nor the TR6 ever drops below 5000 RPM under race conditions). What 
do you need an "advance curve" for? Set it for full advance at 3500 RPM, 
and forget it!

Richard Gehweiler
Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd.
stonefield at wi.rr.com

From billb at bnj.com  Mon Oct 26 20:34:03 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:34:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
In-Reply-To: <4AE65497.9080205@wi.rr.com>
References: <4AE65497.9080205@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <2EA6EE13-9041-4D8D-9F69-B5BBCD31FF9D@bnj.com>

You can, indeed, but you'll probably have problems with your starter.  
I have enough problems starting my car without doing it against full  
advance. You can add a switch to cut off the ignition until you get  
the motor cranking, but it's been a long time since I had a problem  
with a centrifugal advance.


On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Richard Gehweiler wrote:

> Just food for thought and discussion!  Given that most British  
> distributors will give full advance at 3000 to 3500 RPM, and the  
> speeds that most of your race engines run at under race conditions  
> (nether our Mini nor the TR6 ever drops below 5000 RPM under race  
> conditions). What do you need an "advance curve" for? Set it for  
> full advance at 3500 RPM, and forget it!
>
> Richard Gehweiler
> Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd.
> stonefield at wi.rr.com
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From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Mon Oct 26 23:06:08 2009
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:06:08 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TRactor Rocker shafts oil holes
Message-ID: <000601ca56cb$95976fc0$6401a8c0@blake1>

While disassembling the 5th rocker shaft I have ever disassembled in my
life this evening I had one of these moments where I question why things
are the way they are.  This time it is all centered on the fact that all
5 that I have taken apart show extreme wear on the bottom of the shaft,
but minimal to no wear on the top.  I am sure many of you are familiar
with the wear pattern.  These look to be the result of the bushings
cutting into the shaft and it makes sense that they occur on the bottom
because that is the loaded side of bearing surface.  The oil feed holes
in the shaft are located between the bushings on the top side of the
shaft which line up with the holes in the rocker arms I assume to splash
some oil onto the valve tips.  Why didn't they use oil holes on the
bottom of the shafts to lubricate the critical bearing surface?  Has
anyone tried this?
 
The new shaft that I have on the bench waiting assembly is one of the
readily available harden shafts.  Does it make sense to get that hard
chrome platted as well?  Anyone have a good resource for that service?
 
Probably over thinking this simple assembly.  Rollers would be nice.
 
Greg

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 26 22:34:25 2009
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:34:25 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TRactor Rocker shafts oil holes
In-Reply-To: <000601ca56cb$95976fc0$6401a8c0@blake1>
References: <000601ca56cb$95976fc0$6401a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <2D9044F2-547C-4A16-BC76-2BE86A6DAF6E@earthlink.net>

I enjoyed reading this.  I bet they put the feed hole at the top so  
that the oil would flow downwards and reach the bottom via gravity.   
Did you notice how small the single oil feed hole is at the top of the  
cyl head?  I have a shaft with plenty of wear pattern at the bottom as  
you describe but I think the rocker shafts last for a very long time.   
The key is to support the shaft on both ends so that it won't bend or  
break.  I too have a new hardened shaft to experiment with.  Not sure  
but I have a hunch that chroming it could possibly make the shaft more  
brittle or, if it ever did flex slightly, could the chrome plating  
possibly flake and find its way into the oil system?

~Steve


On Oct 26, 2009, at 11:06 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:

> While disassembling the 5th rocker shaft I have ever disassembled in  
> my
> life this evening I had one of these moments where I question why  
> things
> are the way they are.  This time it is all centered on the fact that  
> all
> 5 that I have taken apart show extreme wear on the bottom of the  
> shaft,
> but minimal to no wear on the top.  I am sure many of you are familiar
> with the wear pattern.  These look to be the result of the bushings
> cutting into the shaft and it makes sense that they occur on the  
> bottom
> because that is the loaded side of bearing surface.  The oil feed  
> holes
> in the shaft are located between the bushings on the top side of the
> shaft which line up with the holes in the rocker arms I assume to  
> splash
> some oil onto the valve tips.  Why didn't they use oil holes on the
> bottom of the shafts to lubricate the critical bearing surface?  Has
> anyone tried this?
>
> The new shaft that I have on the bench waiting assembly is one of the
> readily available harden shafts.  Does it make sense to get that hard
> chrome platted as well?  Anyone have a good resource for that service?
>
> Probably over thinking this simple assembly.  Rollers would be nice.
>
> Greg
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From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com  Tue Oct 27 01:20:41 2009
From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:20:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR/Gt6 compressin ratios and bearngs
In-Reply-To: <2D9044F2-547C-4A16-BC76-2BE86A6DAF6E@earthlink.net>
References: <000601ca56cb$95976fc0$6401a8c0@blake1>
	<2D9044F2-547C-4A16-BC76-2BE86A6DAF6E@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE989C5844507@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>

Hi Fot'rs
I am still working on the GT6 motor and was wondering what compression ratios
people are running in their 6 banger engines, and what bearings are being
used. I am hearing that there are no lead indium racing bearings for the GT6
and as a result one needs to run stock bearings. Also that due to an
inefficient combustion chamber that it is better to keep the compression ratio
in the low 12's vs approaching 13 to help the flame spread and reduce
detonation by reducing height of the piston intruder.
Thoughts?
Hope everyone had a good season
Bill
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Oct 27 04:46:12 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:46:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
References: <4AE65497.9080205@wi.rr.com>
	<2EA6EE13-9041-4D8D-9F69-B5BBCD31FF9D@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <D978A541E24648BCB21ACD2068AE7437@latitudefb1e41>

True dat.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
To: "Richard Gehweiler" <mini at wi.rr.com>
Cc: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] "Smokey's way"


> You can, indeed, but you'll probably have problems with your starter.  
> I have enough problems starting my car without doing it against full  
> advance. You can add a switch to cut off the ignition until you get  
> the motor cranking, but it's been a long time since I had a problem  
> with a centrifugal advance.
> 
> 
> On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Richard Gehweiler wrote:
> 
>> Just food for thought and discussion!  Given that most British  
>> distributors will give full advance at 3000 to 3500 RPM, and the  
>> speeds that most of your race engines run at under race conditions  
>> (nether our Mini nor the TR6 ever drops below 5000 RPM under race  
>> conditions). What do you need an "advance curve" for? Set it for  
>> full advance at 3500 RPM, and forget it!
>>
>> Richard Gehweiler
>> Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd.
>> stonefield at wi.rr.com
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Tue Oct 27 05:15:27 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:15:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR/Gt6 compressin ratios and bearngs
Message-ID: <d69.50385598.38183e5f@aol.com>

The heavy duty King bearings are about the best we can get nowadays.
 
 
In a message dated 10/27/2009 1:21:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com writes:

Hi  Fot'rs
I am still working on the GT6 motor and was wondering what  compression 
ratios
people are running in their 6 banger engines, and what  bearings are being
used. I am hearing that there are no lead indium racing  bearings for the 
GT6
and as a result one needs to run stock bearings. Also  that due to an
inefficient combustion chamber that it is better to keep the  compression 
ratio
in the low 12's vs approaching 13 to help the flame  spread and reduce
detonation by reducing height of the piston  intruder.
Thoughts?
Hope everyone had a good season
Bill
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Oct 27 06:18:38 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:18:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Edited Hallett Video on You Tube
Message-ID: <20091027131853.56AC918764B@autox.team.net>

I edited the race footage down to the 10 minute You Tube limit and put it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5uJLTLrXOk&feature=youtube_gdata

Used Windows Live Movie Maker to edit and post it, I think the 
quality came out very nice.

Cheers, Tony Drews

From Group44TR7 at aol.com  Tue Oct 27 06:59:48 2009
From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:59:48 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Please restore Booby Cee to FOT Email List
Message-ID: <c33.62a4a809.381856d4@aol.com>

Mark
 
        Would you please restore  Bobby to the FOT email list. 
 
        Thank you.
 
Cary

From Group44TR7 at aol.com  Tue Oct 27 07:03:47 2009
From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:03:47 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Chris Swingler - Australian Contacts
Message-ID: <cc5.622f4668.381857c3@aol.com>

Hi All
 
        I have been attempting to  reach Chris Swingler for awhile now. 
Unusual for him not to respond, anyone know  how I can reach him?
 
Cary. 

From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue Oct 27 09:58:40 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:58:40 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Edited Hallett Video on You Tube
In-Reply-To: <20091027131853.56AC918764B@autox.team.net>
References: <20091027131853.56AC918764B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <BLU116-W206EAD9D1E2DEE6F5D0FCA90B90@phx.gbl>

Another 10 minutes of my work day gone but I do love TR4's,  looks like you
guys had a great time.  All I can say is I'm green with envy!   Cheers Henry
Morrison





> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:18:38 -0500
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> From: tony at tonydrews.com
> Subject: [Fot] Edited Hallett Video on You Tube
>
> I edited t4e race footage down to the 10 minute You Tube limit and put it
here:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5uJLTLrXOk&feature=youtube_gdata
>
> Used Windows Live Movie Maker to edit and post it, I think the
> quality came out very nice.
>
> Cheers, Tony Drews
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From mini at wi.rr.com  Tue Oct 27 19:06:08 2009
From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:06:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
Message-ID: <4AE7A710.7040400@wi.rr.com>

Just a note of clarification on my previous post, I was not referring to 
disabling the advance, merely timing the engine to give the desired 
amount of full advance at speed (3000 to 3500 RPM). You can easily start 
the engine, but because the engine (on the track) never gets below 4000 
to 5000 RPM, the "advance curve" is not an issue. On the track, you are 
always at full advance. Why go through all the work of  getting a 
distributor dialed in with the correct advance curve, if the engine 
lives at full advance?......This is for a race engine, a street engine 
is an entirely different matter.


Richard Gehweiler
Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd.
stonefield at wi.rr.com

From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Tue Oct 27 22:16:10 2009
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:16:10 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TRactor Rocker shafts oil holes
In-Reply-To: <2D9044F2-547C-4A16-BC76-2BE86A6DAF6E@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000001ca578d$c37e25b0$6401a8c0@blake1>

I guess I am not the only one that thinks about such things.  I talked
with Garry?? at Rocker Arm Specialist in CA today.  He said that most of
the shafts they work with have the oil feed holes at 6 O'clock.  Makes
sense to me.

Anyways, sounds like they do some interesting things to address the lack
of shaft lubrication (twss) and wear issues on our up-side-down rocker
gear.  Sending parts his way tomorrow.

Thanks for the contact.

Greg 

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Belfer [mailto:colordog.1 at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:34 PM
To: Greg & Alison Blake
Cc: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] TRactor Rocker shafts oil holes

I enjoyed reading this.  I bet they put the feed hole at the top so  
that the oil would flow downwards and reach the bottom via gravity.   
Did you notice how small the single oil feed hole is at the top of the  
cyl head?  I have a shaft with plenty of wear pattern at the bottom as  
you describe but I think the rocker shafts last for a very long time.   
The key is to support the shaft on both ends so that it won't bend or  
break.  I too have a new hardened shaft to experiment with.  Not sure  
but I have a hunch that chroming it could possibly make the shaft more  
brittle or, if it ever did flex slightly, could the chrome plating  
possibly flake and find its way into the oil system?

~Steve


On Oct 26, 2009, at 11:06 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:

> While disassembling the 5th rocker shaft I have ever disassembled in  
> my
> life this evening I had one of these moments where I question why  
> things
> are the way they are.  This time it is all centered on the fact that  
> all
> 5 that I have taken apart show extreme wear on the bottom of the  
> shaft,
> but minimal to no wear on the top.  I am sure many of you are familiar
> with the wear pattern.  These look to be the result of the bushings
> cutting into the shaft and it makes sense that they occur on the  
> bottom
> because that is the loaded side of bearing surface.  The oil feed  
> holes
> in the shaft are located between the bushings on the top side of the
> shaft which line up with the holes in the rocker arms I assume to  
> splash
> some oil onto the valve tips.  Why didn't they use oil holes on the
> bottom of the shafts to lubricate the critical bearing surface?  Has
> anyone tried this?
>
> The new shaft that I have on the bench waiting assembly is one of the
> readily available harden shafts.  Does it make sense to get that hard
> chrome platted as well?  Anyone have a good resource for that service?
>
> Probably over thinking this simple assembly.  Rollers would be nice.
>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Oct 28 00:55:13 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:55:13 +0100
Subject: [Fot] water in the oil
In-Reply-To: <c2f.5b439126.38188c6d@aol.com>
References: <c2f.5b439126.38188c6d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001801ca57a3$fc94b3d0$f5be1b70$@com>

Ken,
 
I use 
 
http://wueko.wuerth.com/cgi-bin/wu_proddetailpdfframe.pl?7866521761545336210
9;SHOWDETAIL;;0893260100;0000;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;12567164421532
 
Same link, different written:
 
 
<http://wueko.wuerth.com/cgi-bin/wu_proddetailpdfframe.pl?786652176154533621
09;SHOWDETAIL;;0893260100;0000;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;12567164421532>
sealant
 
Cheers
Chris
 
Von: KENMUN at aol.com [mailto:KENMUN at aol.com] 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Oktober 2009 18:48
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Betreff: Re: [Fot] water in the oil
 
chris, thanks for the comments. what's the new sealant you're using? ken m.
 
In a message dated 10/24/2009 5:03:56 P.M. Atlantic Standard Time,
tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
The block likes to crack at stud #9, often into the area above the tappets.
Difficult to weld.
To find out from where the water comes:
Remove the oil pan and have a look from down stairs into the engine.
Normally water drops are visible.
For the figure 8 gasket I use a thick coat of silicone to insulate the
gasket from contact with water to prevent corrosion. For the steel head
gasket I use a new sealant which worked fine 'till now.

Cheers
Chris

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Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Oktober 2009 21:08
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] water in the oil

fot, i just finished a rebuild on my tr3 race motor. i ran it for about 1
hr. and was very disappointed to find water in the oil. the water appears as

drops in the oil on top of the head. there is a milky film inside the
valve  cover, there was about 1 qrt of water that came out first when i
drained
the  oil. also the water seems to be leaking out at the rate of 1 table
spoon/day  even though the car isn't running. it has to be the figure 8
gasket,
the head  gasket or both right? any tests that i could run to find out
which? the motor is  87mm,10.5/1 cr, figure 8 gaskets with copper coat,
liners up
.004"/.005",  copper head gasket with a sealant. all ideas, tests,
theories, suggestions  welcome. anyone successfully running the composite
head
gasket with the head  milled to where the intake pocket is removed? thanks
for
the help, ken  m.
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Wed Oct 28 08:15:46 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:15:46 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Parts needed for projects............
Message-ID: <BLU116-W16585C6479B9B97252038090B80@phx.gbl>

Hello Gang,  My son has laid down the challenge that i can't get my TR4
running by June.  Rather than go through the pain and humiliation of paying
him 50 clams, I am willing to pay nearly any amount for the following parts
that are missing from the project.



(1) exhaust manifold for a '63 TR4.  I think it's the dopey early style most
racers throw away first.



(1) pair of SU carbs for the same.



I also need a pair of good early Spitfire Boot hinges to use as bonnet hinges
on my Elva.





Cheers Henry Morrison,  Snowy (today) Cedar Crest, NM

From s.janzen at comcast.net  Wed Oct 28 08:23:29 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:23:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] distributor advance
In-Reply-To: <4AE7A710.7040400@wi.rr.com>
References: <4AE7A710.7040400@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <195A75EA-904F-43CA-81F4-C87A2119D22A@comcast.net>

As the Mallory owners know, that distributor offers the option of a  
set of different colored springs of varying strength and length, along  
with a nice graph that charts out the advance vs RPM.  Pick your  
spring to match what you want.  I have done exactly what Richard  
suggests - advance goes from zero to full between a few hundred above  
idle,  and 3,000 RPM.   The actual amount of advance is dialed in  
separately through setting the advance limits on the base plate.

On Oct 27, 2009, at 10:06 PM, Richard Gehweiler wrote:

Just a note of clarification on my previous post, I was not referring  
to disabling the advance, merely timing the engine to give the desired  
amount of full advance at speed (3000 to 3500 RPM). You can easily  
start the engine, but because the engine (on the track) never gets  
below 4000 to 5000 RPM, the "advance curve" is not an issue. On the  
track, you are always at full advance. Why go through all the work of   
getting a distributor dialed in with the correct advance curve, if the  
engine lives at full advance?......This is for a race engine, a street  
engine is an entirely different matter.


Richard Gehweiler
Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd.
stonefield at wi.rr.com
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Wed Oct 28 10:13:35 2009
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:13:35 GMT
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
Message-ID: <20091028.131335.5204.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com>

When using a MSD 6AL box with a Mallory distributor I took out the mechanical
advance mechanism and installed a MSD electronic advance, which connects into
the 6AL.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "riverside" <riverside at southslope.net>
To: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>, "Mark J Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: Triumph Friends of <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:17:53 -0500

Anybody ever try is "Smokey's way"/
For serious race engines, Yunick said to ditch
the advance mechanism all together and
lock the thing down.  to start, start to spin engine
over w/ ign off , then turn on ign.
an MG twin cam point plate can be useful if
you can find one.


  art de armond


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>
To: "Mark J Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed


> Pertronix also makes the entire distibutor for the 4 and 6.  Works great.
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
> wrote:
>> A pertronix unit replaces the points, it does nothing for the advance.
>> Get those weights and springs under the plate in working order.
>>
>> mjb.
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed Oct 28 10:24:30 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:24:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Parts needed for projects............
In-Reply-To: <BLU116-W16585C6479B9B97252038090B80@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU116-W16585C6479B9B97252038090B80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00709469-6397-4373-A614-25567498F758@bnj.com>

I've got some SU carbs, you're welcome to them. I also have various  
exhaust manifolds but they are for TR3. Any difference? The fabricated  
manifold for the Ambro is junk to me, would that work?

On Oct 28, 2009, at 8:15 AM, <dos_gusanos at msn.com> wrote:

> Hello Gang,  My son has laid down the challenge that i can't get my  
> TR4
> running by June.  Rather than go through the pain and humiliation of  
> paying
> him 50 clams, I am willing to pay nearly any amount for the  
> following parts
> that are missing from the project.
>
>
>
> (1) exhaust manifold for a '63 TR4.  I think it's the dopey early  
> style most
> racers throw away first.
>
>
>
> (1) pair of SU carbs for the same.
>
>
>
> I also need a pair of good early Spitfire Boot hinges to use as  
> bonnet hinges
> on my Elva.
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers Henry Morrison,  Snowy (today) Cedar Crest, NM
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From stutzmans at comcast.net  Wed Oct 28 16:54:11 2009
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:54:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
In-Reply-To: <4AE7A710.7040400@wi.rr.com>
References: <4AE7A710.7040400@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <98A21AA92B6241FA96A09ADC9BCCB6DD@ComputerPC>

locked out timing is not unusual in the racing world, but as Bill said it 
makes cars very hard to start because you are trying to start the car at 
30-35 degrees of advance.
Bruce
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Gehweiler" <mini at wi.rr.com>
To: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:06 PM
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"


> Just a note of clarification on my previous post, I was not referring to 
> disabling the advance, merely timing the engine to give the desired amount 
> of full advance at speed (3000 to 3500 RPM). You can easily start the 
> engine, but because the engine (on the track) never gets below 4000 to 
> 5000 RPM, the "advance curve" is not an issue. On the track, you are 
> always at full advance. Why go through all the work of  getting a 
> distributor dialed in with the correct advance curve, if the engine lives 
> at full advance?......This is for a race engine, a street engine is an 
> entirely different matter.
>
>
> Richard Gehweiler
> Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd.
> stonefield at wi.rr.com
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From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Oct 28 17:12:45 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:12:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
In-Reply-To: <98A21AA92B6241FA96A09ADC9BCCB6DD@ComputerPC>
References: <4AE7A710.7040400@wi.rr.com>
	<98A21AA92B6241FA96A09ADC9BCCB6DD@ComputerPC>
Message-ID: <07D009B62B8C4DCBAFCA9FDA1543C0B7@KasPC>

I certainly would not to give up looking at the advance curve and say it was 
all over at 3500 rpm.  There is more to it than that.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
To: "Richard Gehweiler" <mini at wi.rr.com>; "Triumph Friends of" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] "Smokey's way"


> locked out timing is not unusual in the racing world, but as Bill said it 
> makes cars very hard to start because you are trying to start the car at 
> 30-35 degrees of advance.
> Bruce
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Gehweiler" <mini at wi.rr.com>
> To: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:06 PM
> Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
>
>
>> Just a note of clarification on my previous post, I was not referring to 
>> disabling the advance, merely timing the engine to give the desired 
>> amount of full advance at speed (3000 to 3500 RPM). You can easily start 
>> the engine, but because the engine (on the track) never gets below 4000 
>> to 5000 RPM, the "advance curve" is not an issue. On the track, you are 
>> always at full advance. Why go through all the work of  getting a 
>> distributor dialed in with the correct advance curve, if the engine lives 
>> at full advance?......This is for a race engine, a street engine is an 
>> entirely different matter.
>>
>>
>> Richard Gehweiler
>> Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd.
>> stonefield at wi.rr.com
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 28 20:51:47 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:51:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up
Message-ID: <775933.68892.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI - there is a guy in South Dakota selling The TR4 ARP Head Stud kits on Ebay for $98.
item # 380164719252

nfi
Dennis

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Oct 29 01:43:31 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:43:31 +0100
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
In-Reply-To: <07D009B62B8C4DCBAFCA9FDA1543C0B7@KasPC>
References: <4AE7A710.7040400@wi.rr.com>
	<98A21AA92B6241FA96A09ADC9BCCB6DD@ComputerPC>
	<07D009B62B8C4DCBAFCA9FDA1543C0B7@KasPC>
Message-ID: <001401ca5873$e6177220$b2465660$@com>

I run a stock distributor and the car  is doing well. Take in account that
the car is sometimes running for a while at the pregrid and waiting for the
start. Small oil pressure with much advance could harm the bearings.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Kas Kastner
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Oktober 2009 01:13
An: Stutzman; Richard Gehweiler; Triumph Friends of
Betreff: Re: [Fot] "Smokey's way"

I certainly would not to give up looking at the advance curve and say it was

all over at 3500 rpm.  There is more to it than that.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
To: "Richard Gehweiler" <mini at wi.rr.com>; "Triumph Friends of"
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] "Smokey's way"


> locked out timing is not unusual in the racing world, but as Bill said it
> makes cars very hard to start because you are trying to start the car at
> 30-35 degrees of advance.
> Bruce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Gehweiler" <mini at wi.rr.com>
> To: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:06 PM
> Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
>
>
>> Just a note of clarification on my previous post, I was not referring to
>> disabling the advance, merely timing the engine to give the desired
>> amount of full advance at speed (3000 to 3500 RPM). You can easily start
>> the engine, but because the engine (on the track) never gets below 4000
>> to 5000 RPM, the "advance curve" is not an issue. On the track, you are
>> always at full advance. Why go through all the work of  getting a
>> distributor dialed in with the correct advance curve, if the engine lives

>> at full advance?......This is for a race engine, a street engine is an
>> entirely different matter.
>>
>>
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From jeff_durant at comcast.net  Thu Oct 29 09:00:43 2009
From: jeff_durant at comcast.net (jeff_durant at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:00:43 +0000
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
In-Reply-To: <001401ca5873$e6177220$b2465660$@com>
References: <4AE7A710.7040400@wi.rr.com><98A21AA92B6241FA96A09ADC9BCCB6DD@ComputerPC><07D009B62B8C4DCBAFCA9FDA1543C0B7@KasPC><001401ca5873$e6177220$b2465660$@com>
Message-ID: <4533519-1256832019-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-253572476-@bda037.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

My TR6 runs a recurved 22D Lucas dist. and I've have had great luck with it.  I should mention that I own an Allen Distributor machine which makes the rebuilds and recurves pretty straightforward.  Too much advance is hard on the starter (also Lucas) and why disable a decent mechanical advance?  
Jeff Durant
TR6 #12
TR250
TR4A
BSA Lightning
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:43:31 
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] "Smokey's way"

I run a stock distributor and the car  is doing well. Take in account that
the car is sometimes running for a while at the pregrid and waiting for the
start. Small oil pressure with much advance could harm the bearings.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Kas Kastner
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Oktober 2009 01:13
An: Stutzman; Richard Gehweiler; Triumph Friends of
Betreff: Re: [Fot] "Smokey's way"

I certainly would not to give up looking at the advance curve and say it was

all over at 3500 rpm.  There is more to it than that.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
To: "Richard Gehweiler" <mini at wi.rr.com>; "Triumph Friends of"
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] "Smokey's way"


> locked out timing is not unusual in the racing world, but as Bill said it
> makes cars very hard to start because you are trying to start the car at
> 30-35 degrees of advance.
> Bruce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Gehweiler" <mini at wi.rr.com>
> To: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:06 PM
> Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
>
>
>> Just a note of clarification on my previous post, I was not referring to
>> disabling the advance, merely timing the engine to give the desired
>> amount of full advance at speed (3000 to 3500 RPM). You can easily start
>> the engine, but because the engine (on the track) never gets below 4000
>> to 5000 RPM, the "advance curve" is not an issue. On the track, you are
>> always at full advance. Why go through all the work of  getting a
>> distributor dialed in with the correct advance curve, if the engine lives

>> at full advance?......This is for a race engine, a street engine is an
>> entirely different matter.
>>
>>
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>> Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd.
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Oct 29 09:55:41 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:55:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Please Read-FOT Stickers & TR6 Hot Wheels]
Message-ID: <4AE9C90D.9060005@bradakis.com>

Joe made a slight error in the address he used when sending this out.

mjb.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Please Read-FOT Stickers & TR6 Hot Wheels
Date: 	Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:57:26 EDT
From: 	N197TR4 at cs.com

	



FOT,

Remember BARRY MUNSON'S introduction? He's the guy from Canada that 
races a P1800 and is preparing a TR3A.

He is so appreciative of being on the list that he sent me  about (30) 
of Competition TR6 Hot Wheel Models (new in package) for the purpose of 
distributing to the FOT!!!!

Dont ask if there is an array of colors.....be surprised!

Here is the deal!  I have an abundance of FOT stickers and we owe Joe 
Curry for them. You send me by PAYPAL or Check  $12.00 and you get (3) 
FOT stickers and (1) TR6 HOT WHEELS.

OUTCOMES:

You get three FOT Logos and one TR6 HOT WHEELS
Joe Curry gets his money back for the sticker inventory
The FOT fund gets EXPENSE MONEY associated with the KASTNER CUP
I get to sort all of this stuff out and ship.   (arrrrgh!)

Finally........We have some really cool guys in Canada, too.

Thanks Barry Munson

PayPal Account is    n197tr4 at cs.com

Address is:

645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648

From mpendy at dishmail.net  Thu Oct 29 22:45:36 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:45:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] conclusion to summer woes
Message-ID: <5F3B19944A8A4E41AABD80C92AF0C5FB@Pendys>

FOT'ers; This past season i seemed to have had a monkey on my back in regards
to ignition issues and fuel delivery, so this is a quick lo-down on what i
ended up finding. As you folks know from past discussion, my problems started
with a faulty crank-fired ign. coil base, the HPV-1 and this was diagnosed
into the third race of the season. After consulting YOU folks for input, i
decided to stay with the crank-fire set-up, it was a toss-up between
converting back to a distributor. So a newer version was purchased, the XDI,
same manufacturer and i actually did follow the instructions to a Tee.(
Yea-it's a first)  The new version has a remote module which i mounted in the
cockpit, and this module has a tiny little light the tells you if the coils
are fireing to the plugs, novel idea! The tiny little light must blink
RED-GREEN when your trying to start-up. Forward ahead, race four, car on
trailer, got time to throw a timeing light on just to to be sure, no start,
can't see this stupid tiny little light due to sun glare. Cranked on it till i
could fry a freeking egg on the starter. Race four? Never got off the
trailer.Fast forward, factory tech. guy says i have to many
grounds......oooookay.So i says, i followed the instr. to a Tee.......really!
Try this he says; take pos. battery cable straight to solinoid, (by-pass main
disc. sw.) solinoid to starter. Now take neg. batt. cable, tie-wrap to
pos.cable that i just ran to starter and ground it as close as possable to
starter. Take off engine to chassis grnd. and take off neg. batt. cable to
tranny mount. He kinda had an accent so i natureally only believed half of
what he was saying......wrong....car fired-up pronto AND that pretty little
light worked as it was supposed to, Gotta check the car out, only thing going
on was the Alfa Rameo track day, Forward,nice weather, car still has a bug at
WOT only on the straights, same thing all morning. Lunch time, to pissed to
eat, and everybody kept their dogs a fair distance from my pit. For peets-sake
, gotta be fuel, off come full bowl caps, check fuel, check floats,everything
good. LOUDSPEAKER, group 1 up, in a panick i pushed the float arms up into
oblivion, off we go, 1'st lap yellow, green comes down and
...................sweeeeeeeet. No kidding, every turn worker at the checkered
flag gave hoots and hollers and big two thumbs up to finally see the 'ol
hotrod tr do it's thing, till next time. Mark Pendy #65tr4

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri Oct 30 04:39:02 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:39:02 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Stickers & TR6 Hot Wheels
Message-ID: <c7c.5c958a52.381c2a56@cs.com>

FOT....I'll try this again....

Canada's Barry Munson donated about 30 Hot Wheels Competition TR6s to the 
FOT

We have about 100 finely produced Joe Curry FOT self-adhesive stickers

We have about 300 folks on this list...some of which would love to display 
the FOT sticker on their race car, tool chest or tow vehicle, if they had 
the opportunity.

I bagged three FOT stickers and the highly collectible TR6 in about (30) 
Zip-Lok bags yesterday and plan to dispense them all.  

It was Barry's intent to just hand the Hot Wheels out to the FOT randomly, 
but it is hard to hand 30 Hot Wheels fairly to 300 List members, so I 
concocted this scheme.

It would be nice if we heard from some folks who dont have any stickers. I 
have already heard from some folks who I know have plenty.

Thanks!   Joe A

From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Fri Oct 30 06:40:37 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:40:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] conclusion to summer woes
In-Reply-To: <5F3B19944A8A4E41AABD80C92AF0C5FB@Pendys>
References: <5F3B19944A8A4E41AABD80C92AF0C5FB@Pendys>
Message-ID: <000901ca5966$908b8780$b1a29680$@com>

Just curious as to how you were grounded before?

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mark Pendergrass
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 12:46 AM
To: friends of triumph
Subject: [Fot] conclusion to summer woes

FOT'ers; This past season i seemed to have had a monkey on my back in
regards
to ignition issues and fuel delivery, so this is a quick lo-down on what i
ended up finding. As you folks know from past discussion, my problems
started
with a faulty crank-fired ign. coil base, the HPV-1 and this was diagnosed
into the third race of the season. After consulting YOU folks for input, i
decided to stay with the crank-fire set-up, it was a toss-up between
converting back to a distributor. So a newer version was purchased, the XDI,
same manufacturer and i actually did follow the instructions to a Tee.(
Yea-it's a first)  The new version has a remote module which i mounted in
the
cockpit, and this module has a tiny little light the tells you if the coils
are fireing to the plugs, novel idea! The tiny little light must blink
RED-GREEN when your trying to start-up. Forward ahead, race four, car on
trailer, got time to throw a timeing light on just to to be sure, no start,
can't see this stupid tiny little light due to sun glare. Cranked on it till
i
could fry a freeking egg on the starter. Race four? Never got off the
trailer.Fast forward, factory tech. guy says i have to many
grounds......oooookay.So i says, i followed the instr. to a
Tee.......really!
Try this he says; take pos. battery cable straight to solinoid, (by-pass
main
disc. sw.) solinoid to starter. Now take neg. batt. cable, tie-wrap to
pos.cable that i just ran to starter and ground it as close as possable to
starter. Take off engine to chassis grnd. and take off neg. batt. cable to
tranny mount. He kinda had an accent so i natureally only believed half of
what he was saying......wrong....car fired-up pronto AND that pretty little
light worked as it was supposed to, Gotta check the car out, only thing
going
on was the Alfa Rameo track day, Forward,nice weather, car still has a bug
at
WOT only on the straights, same thing all morning. Lunch time, to pissed to
eat, and everybody kept their dogs a fair distance from my pit. For
peets-sake
, gotta be fuel, off come full bowl caps, check fuel, check
floats,everything
good. LOUDSPEAKER, group 1 up, in a panick i pushed the float arms up into
oblivion, off we go, 1'st lap yellow, green comes down and
...................sweeeeeeeet. No kidding, every turn worker at the
checkered
flag gave hoots and hollers and big two thumbs up to finally see the 'ol
hotrod tr do it's thing, till next time. Mark Pendy #65tr4
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From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Oct 30 17:41:07 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:41:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander..
Message-ID: <9A1E7DC56857439FAF54500F29BBEA8C@Bud>

Hi joe,
I don't seem to have your email address in my address book...I want to give
you my cell # for when you're in the S.F. bay area
Racer Bud..
Spitfire # 21.....Sonoma, Ca.

From dave at microworks.net  Fri Oct 30 18:48:05 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:48:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Joe's Spit Bench
Message-ID: <20091031014909.9BCE1187654@autox.team.net>

I featured Joe Curry's Sput Bench on the cover of this month's newsletter.

November Issue: http://www.dctra.org/News/Nov2009.pdf

Newsletter Archive: http://www.dctra.org/?page_id=32

From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Oct 30 20:28:50 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:28:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Joe's Spit Bench
In-Reply-To: <20091031014909.9BCE1187654@autox.team.net>
References: <20091031014909.9BCE1187654@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <CC41C9586AEF49E28535E9346153280E@joepentiumnew>

It's a "Love Seat", Dave!  :)

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of David W. Riddle
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 6:48 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Joe's Spit Bench

I featured Joe Curry's Sput Bench on the cover of this month's newsletter.

November Issue: http://www.dctra.org/News/Nov2009.pdf

Newsletter Archive: http://www.dctra.org/?page_id=32
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From dave at microworks.net  Fri Oct 30 21:17:48 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:17:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] For the Military
Message-ID: <20091031041851.AB1CA187647@autox.team.net>

My Brother will be graduating from Army Basic this week and then he 
is off to Advanced Infantry School.  For those on the list(s) that 
have a Military background I saw this song referenced on the 
Blackfive milblog today.  iTunes proceeds go to a Military charity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTs6a0ORdQU

From Group44TR7 at aol.com  Sat Oct 31 06:26:31 2009
From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:26:31 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Joe's Spit Bench - "Love Seat"
Message-ID: <d3d.450f5e1f.381d9507@aol.com>

Frequented an eating  establishment back in Bayfield Wisconsin that was a  
daily breakfast hang out for local fisherman. Parked the car outside.  As I 
walked inside, I heard the last of the conversation about my car "So what  
if its attracts women, it ain't got a back seat, so what good is it?"  
Obviously, he would not have made that remark if I had Joe's "love  seat".  
 
        Under the circumstances -  with no love seat - I did the only thing 
possible. I returned the next  morning at the same time with my date for 
the weekend knowing the same  group of fisherman would be there. My date, who 
was a 5' 10"  model, was very sporting about the whole situation. She could 
not have  played the situation any better from her choice of clothes to her 
hanging on me  as we walked to the door. As we entered the establishment, I 
looked directly at  the man who made the remark, at which point the other 
fisherman at his  table erupted with laughter. 
 
        Cary

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Oct 31 07:59:06 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:59:06 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Joe's Spit Bench - "Love Seat"
Message-ID: <c6a.5e8d0d82.381daaba@cs.com>

You betcha, Cary, 

But did you catch any fish?


> Frequented an eating  establishment back in Bayfield Wisconsin that was a 
>  
> daily breakfast hang out for local fisherman. Parked the car outside.  As 
> I 
> walked inside, I heard the last of the conversation about my car "So what  
> if its attracts women, it ain't got a back seat, so what good is it?"  
> Obviously, he would not have made that remark if I had Joe's "love  seat". 
>  
> 
>         Under the circumstances -  with no love seat - I did the only 
> thing 
> possible. I returned the next  morning at the same time with my date for 
> the weekend knowing the same  group of fisherman would be there. My date, 
> who 
> was a 5' 10"  model, was very sporting about the whole situation. She 
> could 
> not have  played the situation any better from her choice of clothes to 
> her 
> hanging on me  as we walked to the door. As we entered the establishment, 
> I 
> looked directly at  the man who made the remark, at which point the other 
> fisherman at his  table erupted with laughter. 
> 
>         Cary
> _______________________________________________

From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Oct 31 08:08:24 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:08:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] For the Military
References: <20091031041851.AB1CA187647@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <78BFF62AFE9D4F7DA41FAA428E8172DA@Bud>

May god Bless your brother...Please  tell him that I appreciate what he is 
doing for the Free World
Racer Bud  Spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>
To: <members at dctra.org>; <fot at autox.team.net>; 
"wheeltowheel at wheeltowheel.com" <WHEELTOWHEEL at racer.net>
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 9:17 PM
Subject: [Fot] For the Military


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> to Advanced Infantry School.  For those on the list(s) that have a 
> Military background I saw this song referenced on the Blackfive milblog 
> today.  iTunes proceeds go to a Military charity.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTs6a0ORdQU
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From jimhearn1 at comcast.net  Sat Oct 31 18:29:49 2009
From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:29:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Broken or cracked diff mount
Message-ID: <000401ca5a92$cdcd2860$b1191718@computer>

I have been here before asking about vibrations I am having.  They are
getting worse to the point of bad.  It is in the drive train and not in the
tires.  There is nothing I can see but now I am wondering if off and on
(mostly on now) vibrations can be associated with a broken or cracked diff
mount.  Thanks.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat]

From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 31 19:05:42 2009
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:05:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 oil cooler advice needed
Message-ID: <990103.26601.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I got a lot of good ideas from the radiator questions from the forum.  I also
need some thoughts on an oil cooler.  I have a very old oil cooler on the
car that looks like I should not use. I am looking for advice on what oil
cooler to run along with the fitting/hose size.  Also where should I mount.
it?   

Thanks.
Mike Mehl

From fasttrs at mindspring.com  Sat Oct 31 20:24:37 2009
From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:24:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Street headers
Message-ID: <E1N4Q7W-0003xB-Tw@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

A friend of mine is looking for a header for his 66 TR4A street car. 

He is not impressed with the quality of the Moss header. Are there other
sources for a better quality header?

 

Mike

From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sat Oct 31 21:14:44 2009
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:14:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Craigslist: (2) 1960's ERA Triumph TR-4 Engines! - $150
 (Dover, N.H.)
Message-ID: <4AED0B34.6030503@greenheart.com>

I stumbled upon this on Craigslist...  thought I'd share it with the 
group....  (I have no connection with the seller and I'm not in N.H.!)  
--Justin

http://nh.craigslist.org/pts/1417134337.html

From bownes at seiri.com  Sat Oct 31 21:28:47 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:28:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Broken or cracked diff mount
In-Reply-To: <000401ca5a92$cdcd2860$b1191718@computer>
References: <000401ca5a92$cdcd2860$b1191718@computer>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330910312128l51fb962fl2d2568745a57441a@mail.gmail.com>

I don't recall what kind of car you have, but in the TR6 (or the IRS 4's) a
cracked diff mount comes across as a thunk or thud as you get on or off the
gas.

A vibration is usually going to be associated with a rotating part. Wheel,
axle, driveshaft, or the like.

Bob


On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:29 PM, jim hearn <jimhearn1 at comcast.net> wrote:

> I have been here before asking about vibrations I am having.  They are
> getting worse to the point of bad.  It is in the drive train and not in the
> tires.  There is nothing I can see but now I am wondering if off and on
> (mostly on now) vibrations can be associated with a broken or cracked diff
> mount.  Thanks.
>
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Sat Oct 31 22:47:50 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:47:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Broken or cracked diff mount
References: <000401ca5a92$cdcd2860$b1191718@computer>
	<d9f7bd330910312128l51fb962fl2d2568745a57441a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D8DE7DB0B7D8484FBD3714B9760C48C2@Pendys>

 Have you taken a real good look at the u-joints ??
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "robert bownes" <bownes at seiri.com>
To: "jim hearn" <jimhearn1 at comcast.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken or cracked diff mount


>I don't recall what kind of car you have, but in the TR6 (or the IRS 4's) a
> cracked diff mount comes across as a thunk or thud as you get on or off 
> the
> gas.
>
> A vibration is usually going to be associated with a rotating part. Wheel,
> axle, driveshaft, or the like.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:29 PM, jim hearn <jimhearn1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I have been here before asking about vibrations I am having.  They are
>> getting worse to the point of bad.  It is in the drive train and not in 
>> the
>> tires.  There is nothing I can see but now I am wondering if off and on
>> (mostly on now) vibrations can be associated with a broken or cracked 
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From GRMTim at aol.com  Thu Oct  1 05:57:25 2009
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 07:57:25 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
Message-ID: <c58.523e6b40.37f5f325@aol.com>

Thanks everyone who offered congrats. I
f you thought the car sounded cool in the video, I wish I could have had 
you all with me in the car, coming up the hill into the Corkscrew at the top 
of third gear. It was nearly a religious experience.

That is actually the third video I have done with Leno and I actually did a 
video interview with him for our website a few months back. I have gotten 
to know him pretty well and he is a very real, very decent guy behind the 
camera as well.

At the next FOT event, when we get togther for a few beers remind me to 
tell you the story about him letting me drive his McLaren F1.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040


From andre at gt6.ca  Thu Oct  1 06:00:56 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 08:00:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
In-Reply-To: <c58.523e6b40.37f5f325@aol.com>
References: <c58.523e6b40.37f5f325@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4362ae390910010500j4552eb4xfc10b9951b2e9ee5@mail.gmail.com>

Willing to bet 1/2 the adventure is simply getting into and then out
of the F1's middle seat!

Now if it would stop raining I could get back to work welding.

A.

2009/10/1  <GRMTim at aol.com>:
> Thanks everyone who offered congrats. I
> f you thought the car sounded cool in the video, I wish I could have had
> you all with me in the car, coming up the hill into the Corkscrew at the top
> of third gear. It was nearly a religious experience.
>
> That is actually the third video I have done with Leno and I actually did a
> video interview with him for our website a few months back. I have gotten
> to know him pretty well and he is a very real, very decent guy behind the
> camera as well.
>
> At the next FOT event, when we get togther for a few beers remind me to
> tell you the story about him letting me drive his McLaren F1.
>
> Tim Suddard
> Publisher; Classic Motorsports
> and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
> www.classicmotorsports.net
> www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
> Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040
>
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-- 
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'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
'77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
Ottawa, ON, Canada


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Oct  1 06:54:48 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:54:48 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
In-Reply-To: <c58.523e6b40.37f5f325@aol.com>
References: <c58.523e6b40.37f5f325@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003901ca4296$5ee712d0$1cb53870$@com>

Question:
Why does this car only has 170 hp instead of the 210 hp Kas Kastner did
make?


Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von GRMTim at aol.com
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Oktober 2009 13:57
An: FOT at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video

Thanks everyone who offered congrats. I
f you thought the car sounded cool in the video, I wish I could have had
you all with me in the car, coming up the hill into the Corkscrew at the top

of third gear. It was nearly a religious experience.

That is actually the third video I have done with Leno and I actually did a
video interview with him for our website a few months back. I have gotten
to know him pretty well and he is a very real, very decent guy behind the
camera as well.

At the next FOT event, when we get togther for a few beers remind me to
tell you the story about him letting me drive his McLaren F1.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040
You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com

Fot at autox.team.net
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From kaskas at cox.net  Thu Oct  1 08:32:27 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 07:32:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
In-Reply-To: <003901ca4296$5ee712d0$1cb53870$@com>
References: <c58.523e6b40.37f5f325@aol.com>
	<003901ca4296$5ee712d0$1cb53870$@com>
Message-ID: <7FDB5BFB45094F4490CFCCECBC43C4F0@KasPC>

Ah Chris, you are confusing the GT-6 engine with the Tran -Am Vitesse 
engine.  They were both the same capacity but that is about all that was the 
same.The GT-6 engine had only the 1.5" Stromberg Carburetors while the 
Vitesse had three 45mm Webers and other things allowed by the Tran-Am 
regulations.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: <GRMTim at aol.com>; <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video


> Question:
> Why does this car only has 170 hp instead of the 210 hp Kas Kastner did
> make?
>
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von GRMTim at aol.com
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Oktober 2009 13:57
> An: FOT at autox.team.net
> Betreff: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
>
> Thanks everyone who offered congrats. I
> f you thought the car sounded cool in the video, I wish I could have had
> you all with me in the car, coming up the hill into the Corkscrew at the 
> top
>
> of third gear. It was nearly a religious experience.
>
> That is actually the third video I have done with Leno and I actually did 
> a
> video interview with him for our website a few months back. I have gotten
> to know him pretty well and he is a very real, very decent guy behind the
> camera as well.
>
> At the next FOT event, when we get togther for a few beers remind me to
> tell you the story about him letting me drive his McLaren F1.
>
> Tim Suddard
> Publisher; Classic Motorsports
> and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
> www.classicmotorsports.net
> www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
> Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040
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From gasket.works at verizon.net  Thu Oct  1 09:01:20 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:01:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] definitions
References: <37CFE53376493641BC5915CFC572110A3E775C@EXCH-VS3.coh.org>
Message-ID: <000b01ca42a8$0923a3b0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

Over the years I have worked more than I have vacationed.   My administrative
assistant (Secretary) keeps asking me why I don't take more rest.  ...She
knows I work every day and go home and do car stuff.....



I emailed this to her yesterday.  The below is the very bizarre way I answered
her.  Tongue in Cheek but, she understands me. Some may see it differently
sometimes I do too.  (I work in a surreal environment).

Death defined; absence of life.

Rest defined; incomplete death.

________________________________________________________________

Another definition I tell my kids.  This one is a bit harsh, I admit, and may
have some bearing on my biology training.

Success Defined:  Manipulation of the environment to meet your needs.



M


From dave at microworks.net  Thu Oct  1 09:13:43 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:13:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] definitions
In-Reply-To: <000b01ca42a8$0923a3b0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
References: <37CFE53376493641BC5915CFC572110A3E775C@EXCH-VS3.coh.org>
	<000b01ca42a8$0923a3b0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
Message-ID: <20091001151446.84023187654@autox.team.net>

Actually wouldn't these be better definitions?

Survival: Manipulation of the environment to meet your needs.
Success: Manipulation of the environment to meet your wants


>Another definition I tell my kids.  This one is a bit harsh, I admit, and may
>have some bearing on my biology training.
>
>Success Defined:  Manipulation of the environment to meet your needs.


From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Oct  1 10:14:35 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:14:35 EDT
Subject: [Fot] definitions
Message-ID: <ceb.65662d9e.37f62f6b@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/01/2009 10:01:46 AM Central Daylight Time, 
gasket.works at verizon.net writes:


> <<< Another definition I tell my kids.  This one is a bit harsh, I admit, 
> and may
> have some bearing on my biology training.
> 
> Success Defined:  Manipulation of the environment to meet your needs. >>>
> 
> My racing partner, Bob Wismer, has a similar observation on life.  He 
> says, "The Meek shall inherit the earth...when the strong are through with it."


Bill (Damdinger)


From markvaden at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 12:19:55 2009
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 11:19:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Race Video from VARA Oktoberfest
Message-ID: <285b8a860910011119w2101d175s818efaaa2a1ad3f6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I posted a video from the race at the last VARA event. It was really
hot in Buttonwillow, but the car ran well, and the race went really
well. In qualifying I got hit from behind, which caused some damage,
but nothing too bad. I'll post that video soon. Check out the race
video at:http://www.britishheritagemotorsports.com/tri_hard_racing_files/racing_videos.html

-Mark


From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Oct  1 20:59:55 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:59:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: 4 New trunk monkeys!
Message-ID: <A11738352A01474DB1344EBA4AF5B292@Bud>

Hi Friends....just in case you've forgotten about this Guy!.
RB



this is REALLY FUNNY..and a Triumph ..of sorts!
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig
To: Craig
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:36 AM
Subject: 4 New trunk monkeys!




Caution if viewing at work - laughter is a dead giveaway you're goofing off.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type video/x-ms-wmv which had a name of 4TrunkMo.wmv]


From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Thu Oct  1 23:18:09 2009
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 22:18:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Wayne's TR-6
Message-ID: <8CF82ED230B249B28929EC68DEC78E95@your89d26e0447>

A '73 TR_6 was originally timed at 4 Degree after top Dead Center with the
vacuum retard connected and working. With the retard disconnected, the "static
timing", ie. with the engine NOT RUNNING will be at around 12 to 16 degrees
BTDC. With the engine at an idle speed of around 750 -800 RPM, and the retard
disconnected, the ignition timing with a light should be about 18 degree BTDC.
With the engine accelerating up to about 4500 rpm, the timing should advance
to 34 to 36 degrees BTDC. You MUST run at least 91 octane gas in this engine
or you are likely to damage internal parts. The higher the octane the better.
Remember, in 1973 gas was rated differently, It was "Research Octane" and the
number for a TR-6 was 98 octane. The current rating system uses a number 5
lower, so the current version of the same performance would be 93 octane. You
have raised the compression, the engine now wants even higher octane gas!
    In tuning a car, you always set the valve lash, then the timing, then
adjust the carburetor idle speed and mixture. The Emission Control Stromberg
carbs that came on your car cannot be properly tuned by the methods that you
mentioned. When they are set correctly, raising the air valve will always
cause the engine to stall. The needles and mixture was set up by the factory
for passing emissions tests, not for performance. The jets must not be worn,
the needles must not be worn, the fuel levels must be set to the proper
height, the idle speed must be correct. The temperature compensators must be
in good working condition, and the idle "throttle by-pass  valves" must be
working properly. Then the mixture can be set by raising and lowering the
mixture needles in the air valves. This should be done on an exhaust analyzer
following the instructions in the workshop manual. For everything to work
properly, the vacuum retard must also be working!  This is so because with the
ignition retarded to 4 Degrees ATDC, the throttle opening screws on the
carburetors have to be screwed down way more to in effect "speed up the idle"
.  with everything set properly, if the retard is not working, the timing will
be around 20 degrees BTDC and the engine will idle at 1500 rpm or so.
    Sorry, I am sure this is not the answer you wanted to hear!.
    It is might be possible to make things work without the retard applied,
but everything else needs to be perfect, and the throttle by-pass valves on
the carburetors will probably have to be modified to prevent them from opening
and bleeding air around the throttle plates causing the idle to raise up even
higher.
                                                                             
                           Regards,
                                                                             
                               Greg Solow

The Engine Room
Sports Car Specialists
Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060
831 429-1800


From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct  2 07:06:09 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 06:06:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Stirling Moss in Pictures
Message-ID: <353405.23845.qm@web80808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

>From London Telegraph:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/picturegalleries/6139081/Sir-Stirling-Moss.html

This one shows him at the wheel of a Triumph/Standard 8/10 in 1955.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/picturegalleries/6139081/Sir-Stirling-Moss.html?image=4

Doug


From GRMTim at aol.com  Fri Oct  2 07:16:50 2009
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 09:16:50 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
Message-ID: <d3a.5060e3cd.37f75742@aol.com>

East coast hp is different than west coast I guess. Kas would know more 
about this. I was told by the guy who bought a Group 44 engine in 1973 that 
when he finished 7th at the Runoffs in 1974 that it made 164 hp.

Kas, any memories of these engines and there real power?

Remember this engine has stock crank and rods.

In a message dated 10/1/09 8:56:02 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:


> Question:
> Why does this car only has 170 hp instead of the 210 hp Kas Kastner did
> make?
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Chris
> 





Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040


From GRMTim at aol.com  Fri Oct  2 07:18:24 2009
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 09:18:24 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
Message-ID: <c6c.57e4b884.37f757a0@aol.com>

God I love this group!
Thanks Kas

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040

In a message dated 10/1/09 10:34:03 AM, kaskas at cox.net writes:


> Ah Chris, you are confusing the GT-6 engine with the Tran -Am Vitesse
> engine.  They were both the same capacity but that is about all that was
> the
> same.The GT-6 engine had only the 1.5" Stromberg Carburetors while the
> Vitesse had three 45mm Webers and other things allowed by the Tran-Am
> regulations.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> To: <GRMTim at aol.com>; <FOT at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 5:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
>
>
> > Question:
> > Why does this car only has 170 hp instead of the 210 hp Kas Kastner did
> > make?
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> > Chris
> >
> > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> > Auftrag von GRMTim at aol.com
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Oktober 2009 13:57
> > An: FOT at autox.team.net
> > Betreff: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
> >
> > Thanks everyone who offered congrats. I
> > f you thought the car sounded cool in the video, I wish I could have had
> > you all with me in the car, coming up the hill into the Corkscrew at the
> > top
> >
> > of third gear. It was nearly a religious experience.
> >
> > That is actually the third video I have done with Leno and I actually
> did
> > a
> > video interview with him for our website a few months back. I have
> gotten
> > to know him pretty well and he is a very real, very decent guy behind
> the
> > camera as well.
> >
> > At the next FOT event, when we get togther for a few beers remind me to
> > tell you the story about him letting me drive his McLaren F1.
> >
> > Tim Suddard
> > Publisher; Classic Motorsports
> > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
> > www.classicmotorsports.net
> > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
> > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040
> > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com
> >
> > Fot at autox.team.net
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Oct  2 08:48:30 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:48:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] [6pack] 6-PACK TRials 2010 (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0910021038330.14222@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I'm just forwarding this for Todd... if you have an insterest in the track 
portion of the event, you might want to ping Todd (red_tr250 at yahoo.com)

rml
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Lang              Triumph TR6!!            |  This space for rent
2009 NER Solo Chair                            |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
---------------------------------------------------------------------------


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 04:55:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Todd Bermudez <red_tr250 at yahoo.com>
To: Six Pack <6pack at autox.team.net>
Subject: [6pack] 6-PACK TRials 2010

All,

I posted this on the 6-PACK website(www.6-pack.org).

Those of you on this list as well as FOT...please post this to the FOT 
list.  I need to get as much interest as possible in order to secure the 
track for the day.  Need to come up with a deposit ASAP

Cheers,

Todd



Just wanted to put this up so that everyone has dates & location for 
TRials 2010.

2010 TRials will be held in Oxford, Ohio on September 9th thru 11th. 
Depart on the 12th. The hotel is just outside of Oxford home of Miami 
University.

The host hotel is Hueston Woods Resort & Conference Center 
(http://www.huestonwoodsresort.com/)

Room rates I believe are $109 each night. I'm sure you can spend more on a 
fancier room if you like.

I believe the schedule will be like this...

Thursday Arrive & Registration & Reunite.
Thursday Evening will be Texas Style BBQ followed by Bon-Fire at the pit.

Friday Drive the beautiful backroads toward Batesville and/or Historic Metamora.

This is a BIG TENTATIVE at this point. We've tentatively agreed to RENT 
THE NEWLY BUILT Bluegrass Motorsports Park for the day. ( 
http://www.drivebluegrass.com ) We'll be given the opportunity to drive 
the course at 3 different levels: As fast as you like, touring, and 
parade. This will be a separate charge from the TRials and there are a few 
restrictions depending upon which you select. We'll be posting more 
information as details become available.


Saturday rise and shine for the Car show on the beautiful grounds of the 
Resort just up the hill from the lake. Saturday afternoon we'll be doing 
something silly I assure you...this has yet to be determined

Naturally, we'll wrap things up with the Awards Banquet Saturday evening
Sunday, say goodbyes & make ready for 2011!

Cheers,

Todd Bermudez
2010 TRials committee.


From gasket.works at verizon.net  Fri Oct  2 08:59:01 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 07:59:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Group shot at Portland
Message-ID: <000801ca4370$e0aeca30$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

Fot folks... who may have group photo of the cars at Portland / PIR at the Kas
cup.. I'm looking for a high Res image....   Perhaps Greg Petrolatti?


Mordy


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Fri Oct  2 09:28:26 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 08:28:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Group shot at Portland
References: <000801ca4370$e0aeca30$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
Message-ID: <96F38270EF8648EB91CFABB340A0E7F5@Charly>

Don't know if this is what you're looking for, but a bunch here.  Several 
pages to look at.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
http://uploadingit.com/f/JM5IWVBYMCWY2DYG
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MORDY DUNST" <gasket.works at verizon.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 7:59 AM
Subject: [Fot] Group shot at Portland


> Fot folks... who may have group photo of the cars at Portland / PIR at the 
> Kas
> cup.. I'm looking for a high Res image....   Perhaps Greg Petrolatti?
>
>
> Mordy
>
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From kaskas at cox.net  Fri Oct  2 12:57:37 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:57:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
In-Reply-To: <d3a.5060e3cd.37f75742@aol.com>
References: <d3a.5060e3cd.37f75742@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A59E4627D2464730B206B46431793C4C@KasPC>

The last engines I did for the GT-6 in 1972 made 187 bhp at 8000.  This is 
with the stock crank, rods, valves, 1.5" Stromberg's and all the other stock 
stuff. It was 12.7 C.R and used 100 octane gas and the special velocity 
stacks I made which I see you have on your car.

This was a very reliable engine and I think the Groups car probably made 
about the same power as they were privy to everything we did and had.  Brian 
Fuersteneau and Don Devendorf were having a ding dong trade the lead every 
lap race at the runoffs in 1972 and no advantage on the chutes.  Don took 
my car off the road after coming under the bridge and that was that, but it 
seemed to me the cars were dead even in power. This is of course several 
years after your car.  I would say in the 1969 time frame 170+ bhp is pretty 
accurate, the same power  you are quoting.

My dyno's were used by Champion for spark plug work and they supplied me 
with their engineering plugs for experimenting and detailed reports.  The 
same dynos were used also by the natural gas company as we  were the only 
people that could supply TRUE numbers in repeats and from day to day.

There is only one horsepower number if the system is accurate and the 
operators are not fudging. I mention that because, my 170+ bhp  GT-6 could 
pull a certain Datsun 2 liter supposed 190 bhp car right down the chute at 
Riverside. We always referred to my horsepower as horses having big feet 
with hair hanging  around and they pulled beer wagons. :-)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <GRMTim at aol.com>
To: <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; <GRMTim at aol.com>; <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video


> East coast hp is different than west coast I guess. Kas would know more
> about this. I was told by the guy who bought a Group 44 engine in 1973 
> that
> when he finished 7th at the Runoffs in 1974 that it made 164 hp.
>
> Kas, any memories of these engines and there real power?
>
> Remember this engine has stock crank and rods.
>
> In a message dated 10/1/09 8:56:02 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
>
>
>> Question:
>> Why does this car only has 170 hp instead of the 210 hp Kas Kastner did
>> make?
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tim Suddard
> Publisher; Classic Motorsports
> and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
> www.classicmotorsports.net
> www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
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From bownes at seiri.com  Fri Oct  2 13:26:01 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:26:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>

sent me off to the local WallEWorld to pick up a TR6 Hot Wheels.

Given the fact I work just down the road from what used to be Bob Sharp's
old dealership, I was
thrilled to find there on the rack a nice TR6 Hot Wheels and a Datsun 510,
unfortunately not in
the right colurs, but nonetheless both are now adorning my office.

This weekend...Replace the front main seal on the TR6 if I'm lucky. If not,
it will just be work on
our Mini.

Bob


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Oct  2 14:31:31 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:31:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking For Used TR6 Grille for AMBRO
Message-ID: <8CC11B675DAB9A5-16C4-21E4C@webmail-d095.sysops.aol.com>

Just the 'egg crate' portion...not the emblem or surround.



Trading stock or cash.......



Thanks!



Joe A


From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Fri Oct  2 16:23:03 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:23:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &  Datsuns
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC67D47.2040407@141.com>



From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Fri Oct  2 16:41:20 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:41:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &  Datsuns
In-Reply-To: <4AC67D47.2040407@141.com>
References: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC67D47.2040407@141.com>
Message-ID: <4AC68190.50706@141.com>

Bob (et al), did you see the yellow Hot Wheels Morris Mini with flames 
when you were looking at the toys? I picked up the two our Walmart had, 
but all they have is the silver TR6. A bunch of those reddish 510's, 
too. I'd like to see the green TR6 here...

Susan      :)
>
>
> robert bownes wrote:
>> sent me off to the local WallEWorld to pick up a TR6 Hot Wheels.
>>
>> Given the fact I work just down the road from what used to be Bob Sharp's
>> old dealership, I was
>> thrilled to find there on the rack a nice TR6 Hot Wheels and a Datsun 510,
>> unfortunately not in
>> the right colurs, but nonetheless both are now adorning my office.
>>
>> This weekend...Replace the front main seal on the TR6 if I'm lucky. If not,
>> it will just be work on
>> our Mini.
>>
>> Bob
>>
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 17:24:20 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:24:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &  Datsuns
In-Reply-To: <4AC68190.50706@141.com>
References: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC67D47.2040407@141.com> <4AC68190.50706@141.com>
Message-ID: <673993c50910021624x66525ecen5cc0fa664211d74f@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure if any of you guys have seen this, but you can download these cars
for GT-Legends and are part of the Power and Glory mod..
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3056/3085074779_1c135ce53e_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3266/3085913666_3da1a76589_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3295/3085074771_91a37be3d8_o.jpg

Bob


From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Fri Oct  2 18:01:16 2009
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:01:16 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
In-Reply-To: <A59E4627D2464730B206B46431793C4C@KasPC>
References: <d3a.5060e3cd.37f75742@aol.com>
	<A59E4627D2464730B206B46431793C4C@KasPC>
Message-ID: <4BEA3FD956824C69BBB61CD2AB5FD746@GEOFFPC>

FOT
I raced a GT6 in the 70s with a "Kastner motor" built to his specs and with 
his S5 cam and valve gear . With tripple 42mm Webers (worked better than the 
45s) 12:1 cpmpression on avgas it had a very reliable 200hp confirmed on a 
reliable dyno . The only problem i had was breaking gear boxes and rear 
axles which was fixed by installing a TR6 box and axles. Conclusion is the 
2litre motor is capable of producing a reliable 200hp if built properly
Geoff Byrne
TR6 racer down under
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>
To: <GRMTim at aol.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video


> The last engines I did for the GT-6 in 1972 made 187 bhp at 8000.  This is 
> with the stock crank, rods, valves, 1.5" Stromberg's and all the other 
> stock stuff. It was 12.7 C.R and used 100 octane gas and the special 
> velocity stacks I made which I see you have on your car.
>
> This was a very reliable engine and I think the Groups car probably made 
> about the same power as they were privy to everything we did and had. 
> Brian Fuersteneau and Don Devendorf were having a ding dong trade the lead 
> every lap race at the runoffs in 1972 and no advantage on the chutes.  Don 
> took my car off the road after coming under the bridge and that was that, 
> but it seemed to me the cars were dead even in power. This is of course 
> several years after your car.  I would say in the 1969 time frame 170+ bhp 
> is pretty accurate, the same power  you are quoting.
>
> My dyno's were used by Champion for spark plug work and they supplied me 
> with their engineering plugs for experimenting and detailed reports.  The 
> same dynos were used also by the natural gas company as we  were the only 
> people that could supply TRUE numbers in repeats and from day to day.
>
> There is only one horsepower number if the system is accurate and the 
> operators are not fudging. I mention that because, my 170+ bhp  GT-6 could 
> pull a certain Datsun 2 liter supposed 190 bhp car right down the chute at 
> Riverside. We always referred to my horsepower as horses having big feet 
> with hair hanging  around and they pulled beer wagons. :-)
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <GRMTim at aol.com>
> To: <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; <GRMTim at aol.com>; <FOT at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
>
>
>> East coast hp is different than west coast I guess. Kas would know more
>> about this. I was told by the guy who bought a Group 44 engine in 1973 
>> that
>> when he finished 7th at the Runoffs in 1974 that it made 164 hp.
>>
>> Kas, any memories of these engines and there real power?
>>
>> Remember this engine has stock crank and rods.
>>
>> In a message dated 10/1/09 8:56:02 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
>>
>>
>>> Question:
>>> Why does this car only has 170 hp instead of the 210 hp Kas Kastner did
>>> make?
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Chris
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tim Suddard
>> Publisher; Classic Motorsports
>> and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
>> www.classicmotorsports.net
>> www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
>> Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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>>
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 18:44:11 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:44:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
Message-ID: <673993c50910021744m35b6204cn3a1225b8fbdf3be2@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone broken one, and by broken I mean snapped in two?

If you have where did it break, and what did you determine to be the cause?

Thanks,

Bob


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Fri Oct  2 20:23:07 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:23:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &  Datsuns
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU116-W247331DEE95A21932DCB6490D10@phx.gbl>

I got 3 TR-6's at Walmart last night!  Passed on the 510's, even at 97
cents................Cheers henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM

> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:26:01 -0400
> From: bownes at seiri.com
> To: Fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns
>
> sent me off to the local WallEWorld to pick up a TR6 Hot Wheels.
>
> Given the fact I work just down the road from what used to be Bob Sharp's
> old dealership, I was
> thrilled to find there on the rack a nice TR6 Hot Wheels and a Datsun 510,
> unfortunately not in
> the right colurs, but nonetheless both are now adorning my office.
>
> This weekend...Replace the front main seal on the TR6 if I'm lucky. If not,
> it will just be work on
> our Mini.
>
> Bob
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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From ofbracing at nefcom.net  Sat Oct  3 05:34:25 2009
From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (ofbracing)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 07:34:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
In-Reply-To: <673993c50910021744m35b6204cn3a1225b8fbdf3be2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <776C9692689B460F9906203BCF889456@Dell5100Laptop>

Bob, I had one snap in my TR4 race engine, right behind the distributor
gear.  No other damage to the engine and we never figured out what
caused it other than probably fatigue.  Don  

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bob Adams
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:44 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage

Has anyone broken one, and by broken I mean snapped in two?

If you have where did it break, and what did you determine to be the
cause?

Thanks,

Bob
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From tr4.tony at virgin.net  Sat Oct  3 06:23:20 2009
From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:23:20 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
References: <776C9692689B460F9906203BCF889456@Dell5100Laptop>
Message-ID: <359C1FD90AAE4EA0A287E44DA79E0DCB@PBA.INT>

Bob

I have broken a cam and also heard of this with others - identified cause 
was an out of tolerance bearing, we believe a duff batch made for the major 
'Specialist' here in the UK.

Similarly out of tolerance bearing caused rapid failure of cam on road car 
of TR Register member here in the UK - again cause confirmed to be forward 
bearing badly manufactured and allowing the cam to move up to 1/4 inch.

Hope this assists you.

Tony 


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Oct  3 06:29:32 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:29:32 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Paging John Wiley
Message-ID: <bdc.563a0c65.37f89dac@cs.com>

Is John Wiley still on the list?

He has a TR4 he bought from one of our late FOTs....in Ohio.

I found something he wants and would like to get it to him.

Thanks,

JoeA


From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct  3 07:41:59 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 09:41:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &   Datsuns
In-Reply-To: <BLU116-W247331DEE95A21932DCB6490D10@phx.gbl>
References: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU116-W247331DEE95A21932DCB6490D10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <013301ca442f$491e3ab0$db5ab010$@net>

I got 8 this morning at my local Walmart. Cleared them out.
Only found the silver ones. If anyone needs one, let me know.

Doug

--
Doug Mitchell
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of dos_gusanos at msn.com
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:23 PM
To: bownes at seiri.com; fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns

I got 3 TR-6's at Walmart last night!  Passed on the 510's, even at 97
cents................Cheers henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM

> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:26:01 -0400
> From: bownes at seiri.com
> To: Fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns
>
> sent me off to the local WallEWorld to pick up a TR6 Hot Wheels.
>
> Given the fact I work just down the road from what used to be Bob Sharp's
> old dealership, I was
> thrilled to find there on the rack a nice TR6 Hot Wheels and a Datsun 510,
> unfortunately not in
> the right colurs, but nonetheless both are now adorning my office.
>
> This weekend...Replace the front main seal on the TR6 if I'm lucky. If
not,
> it will just be work on
> our Mini.
>
> Bob
>
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From andre at gt6.ca  Sat Oct  3 08:03:38 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:03:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &  Datsuns
In-Reply-To: <013301ca442f$491e3ab0$db5ab010$@net>
References: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU116-W247331DEE95A21932DCB6490D10@phx.gbl>
	<013301ca442f$491e3ab0$db5ab010$@net>
Message-ID: <4362ae390910030703v20e28d7fu72526d9119b9832d@mail.gmail.com>

Grown men hoarding dinky cars.

AWESOME :)

I wish I could have found more then 1.

Maybe next time. Then I can take one out and race it down my kid's ramp.

A.

2009/10/3 Doug Mitchell <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>:
> I got 8 this morning at my local Walmart. Cleared them out.
> Only found the silver ones. If anyone needs one, let me know.
>
> Doug
>
> --
> Doug Mitchell
> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of dos_gusanos at msn.com
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:23 PM
> To: bownes at seiri.com; fot
> Subject: Re: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns
>
> I got 3 TR-6's at Walmart last night!  Passed on the 510's, even at 97
> cents................Cheers henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM
>
>> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:26:01 -0400
>> From: bownes at seiri.com
>> To: Fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns
>>
>> sent me off to the local WallEWorld to pick up a TR6 Hot Wheels.
>>
>> Given the fact I work just down the road from what used to be Bob Sharp's
>> old dealership, I was
>> thrilled to find there on the rack a nice TR6 Hot Wheels and a Datsun 510,
>> unfortunately not in
>> the right colurs, but nonetheless both are now adorning my office.
>>
>> This weekend...Replace the front main seal on the TR6 if I'm lucky. If
> not,
>> it will just be work on
>> our Mini.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Sat Oct  3 08:11:11 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 10:11:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &   Datsuns
In-Reply-To: <4362ae390910030703v20e28d7fu72526d9119b9832d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU116-W247331DEE95A21932DCB6490D10@phx.gbl>
	<013301ca442f$491e3ab0$db5ab010$@net>
	<4362ae390910030703v20e28d7fu72526d9119b9832d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC75B7F.6020307@141.com>

Keep checking. They do restock the Hot Wheels.

Susan     :)


Andre Rousseau wrote:
> Grown men hoarding dinky cars.
>
> AWESOME :)
>
> I wish I could have found more then 1.
>
> Maybe next time. Then I can take one out and race it down my kid's ramp.
>
> A.
>
>   

-- 
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Oct  3 09:06:53 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:06:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
References: <776C9692689B460F9906203BCF889456@Dell5100Laptop>
Message-ID: <115A3509237E4E5F91CB752357010E5F@latitudefb1e41>

Bob,

Larry Young, who is designing camshafts for some of the FOT, likes to use 
new blanks rather than regrind for his race camshafts. His thinking is that 
during the regrind they also reduce the diamter of the shaft to keep it 
smaller than the base of the lobes. He is worried about your exact problem. 
Maybe he'll chime in.

Bob K
Austin TX
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ofbracing" <ofbracing at nefcom.net>
To: "'Bob Adams'" <adams910 at gmail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 6:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage


> Bob, I had one snap in my TR4 race engine, right behind the distributor
> gear.  No other damage to the engine and we never figured out what
> caused it other than probably fatigue.  Don
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Bob Adams
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:44 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
>
> Has anyone broken one, and by broken I mean snapped in two?
>
> If you have where did it break, and what did you determine to be the
> cause?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Oct  3 09:11:45 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:11:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &    Datsuns
References: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com><BLU116-W247331DEE95A21932DCB6490D10@phx.gbl><013301ca442f$491e3ab0$db5ab010$@net><4362ae390910030703v20e28d7fu72526d9119b9832d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC75B7F.6020307@141.com>
Message-ID: <35469783207044C99D4F3173CDF6FBE6@latitudefb1e41>

At this rate they are going to think that they are onto something. Can a TR8 
rallye car be far behind?

Bob K
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Kahler" <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
To: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns


> Keep checking. They do restock the Hot Wheels.
>
> Susan     :)
>
>
> Andre Rousseau wrote:
>> Grown men hoarding dinky cars.
>>
>> AWESOME :)
>>
>> I wish I could have found more then 1.
>>
>> Maybe next time. Then I can take one out and race it down my kid's ramp.
>>
>> A.
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationary.
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From sbracing at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct  3 12:55:19 2009
From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 11:55:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &    Datsuns
In-Reply-To: <013301ca442f$491e3ab0$db5ab010$@net>
Message-ID: <290755.73998.qm@web80704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I wonder if anyone at Wal-Mart HQs is scratching thier head wondering why all
the Hot Wheels TR-6s are being snatched up so quickly.
 
I got my two this morning.
 
Thumbs up.
Steve

--- On Sat, 10/3/09, Doug Mitchell <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


From: Doug Mitchell <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns
To: dos_gusanos at msn.com, bownes at seiri.com, "'fot'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 8:41 AM


I got 8 this morning at my local Walmart. Cleared them out.
Only found the silver ones. If anyone needs one, let me know.

Doug

--
Doug Mitchell
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of dos_gusanos at msn.com
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:23 PM
To: bownes at seiri.com; fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns

I got 3 TR-6's at Walmart last night!  Passed on the 510's, even at 97
cents................Cheers henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM

> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:26:01 -0400
> From: bownes at seiri.com
> To: Fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns
>
> sent me off to the local WallEWorld to pick up a TR6 Hot Wheels.
>
> Given the fact I work just down the road from what used to be Bob Sharp's
> old dealership, I was
> thrilled to find there on the rack a nice TR6 Hot Wheels and a Datsun 510,
> unfortunately not in
> the right colurs, but nonetheless both are now adorning my office.
>
> This weekend...Replace the front main seal on the TR6 if I'm lucky. If
not,
> it will just be work on
> our Mini.
>
> Bob
>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Oct  3 14:05:42 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:05:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels
Message-ID: <EA14990008F54C0A90A2BD7E08099EE6@Bud>

just got mine in the mail(Ebay)...got 2 silver and 1 green..really cool little
dudes!
Racer Bud


From adams910 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 15:33:25 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 17:33:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
In-Reply-To: <115A3509237E4E5F91CB752357010E5F@latitudefb1e41>
References: <776C9692689B460F9906203BCF889456@Dell5100Laptop>
	<115A3509237E4E5F91CB752357010E5F@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <673993c50910031433u54411565s2cefe63ef7209903@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks all.

The cam sheared right at the front of the distributor gear, this was a
regrind btw. This survey was just to see if this was an isolated incident.

 It's a bummer since the car was sitting on the overall pole with room for
improvement. Unfortunately, most of the competition saw failures (some
catastrophic) and by the end of the qualifying race today,  only 1 car from
the original top 4 was still running by the end of it.

Curious to know where Larry Young is getting his new blanks from and what he
thinks of their quality. The biggest issue I see is getting the distributor
drive gear correct.

Bob


From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Sat Oct  3 16:37:06 2009
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:37:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
References: <776C9692689B460F9906203BCF889456@Dell5100Laptop>
Message-ID: <747767F0CE374814BE4AA8ECFE52E73A@your89d26e0447>

I have never experienced any camshaft breakage, but in a reprint of an 
article from the English magazine Autocar from April 8, 1955 excessive 
camshaft bending in the area of the oil pump drive gear is mentioned. And 
this was with early light springs but continuous use over 5,000 rpm. to cure 
the problems the front part only of the camshaft was increased in diameter 
by 1/8". Remember, the span of support in the front of the engine is twice 
as large as in the rear half. The drive gear has replaced the bearing that 
would  be expected in this location.
    I believe that the shaft diameter should not be reduced below its 
original as cast diameter for this reason. If a cam grind has so much lift 
or duration that the shaft diameter has to be reduced to accommodate a small 
base circle, then the lobes need to be welded up or a new cam blank with 
large enough lobes should be used. The new cam blank should be checked to 
make sure the front part of the shaft is 1/8" larger than the rear part. it 
should also be the same minimum size as the original shaft.
    In the original design, according the article in "The Autocar"  at 6,000 
rpm the camshaft was flexing .020" at the #1 exhaust lobe and only .008" at 
the #3 exhaust lobe. Again, this was in the early development of the TR-2, 
before the valve stems were uprated to 3/8" diameter and before the valve 
springs were stiffened.  The Tr engineers found increasing the diameter of 
the whole length of the camshaft did not cure this uneven deflection, this 
was only cured by enlarging the front part of the camshaft and leaving the 
rear part untouched.
    This uneven deflection could account for camshaft breakage in the area 
around the oil pump drive gear.
    The article with this information is in a "brooklands books" collection 
"Triumph TR-2 & TR-3 1952 - 1960"  The article is entitled "A Triumph of 
Development  The story of the TR-2" by John Rabson,  A.M.I.Mech.E.
                                                                             
                            Regards,
                                                                             
                                Greg Solow
                                                                             
                                The Engine Room
                                                                             
                                 Santa Cruz, Ca.


From gasket.works at verizon.net  Sat Oct  3 18:07:19 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:07:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] camshaft breakage
References: <776C9692689B460F9906203BCF889456@Dell5100Laptop>
	<115A3509237E4E5F91CB752357010E5F@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <003301ca4486$a417cc90$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

Some years ago? 1995 when I visited with the UK/Terry Hurrell.  . I traded 
some copper gaskets for "new and unground" cam.  Can't remember where he 
said the new cams came from.    I had it ground --the cam pretty much melted 
in the first five minutes of use.  The lobes and the distributor gear went 
away.  ....    didn't break though.

My wifes 911 porsche had one cam break in half downshifting at Watkins Glen. 
Her loving dad rebuilt the engine for  her albeit with askance looks while 
cursing under his breath the entire time. She still keeps the remnant of 
that camshaft on the shelf.

Mordy


From Herald948 at aol.com  Sat Oct  3 18:32:18 2009
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 20:32:18 EDT
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &   Datsuns
Message-ID: <cd9.5c73140e.37f94712@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/2/2009 10:40:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
dos_gusanos at msn.com writes:

I got 3  TR-6's at Walmart last night! 
 
==AM==
Darn! I was in Walmart earlier this afternoon to pick up oil and filter for 
 my son's Saturn (geez, what's with that silly cartridge style oil filter,  
anyway?)...and I totally forgot to go to Toys and see what they had.  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph 
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 


From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Oct  3 20:15:00 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:15:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: not auto related...Joke from my  Mom...She's a Triumph
Message-ID: <7347E9BFA45348D49B980D695A82223C@Bud>

-


Hi Gang......My Mom...88 years old.... called me tonight to tell me a
joke...She laughed while she told it...This is what Cute Stuff is about..

WHY DID THE RAISIN GO OUT WITH THE PRUNE?
BECAUSE HE COULDN'T GET A DATE!
Racer Bud


From brad.kahler at 141.com  Sat Oct  3 21:48:12 2009
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 23:48:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 modified upper A-Arms (for sale)
Message-ID: <4AC81AFC.2060800@141.com>

Amici,

As I was digging through some of the boxes that I moved from Arkansas to 
Kentucky I found a set of upper A-Arms that Uncle Jack modified for me.  
I bought them for a future project that has since been canceled.  If 
interested feel free to contact me. I'd like to get what I have in them 
which is $75.

Thanks,

Brad
(Susan's crew chief)


From bownes at seiri.com  Sat Oct  3 22:05:08 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 00:05:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] camshaft breakage
In-Reply-To: <003301ca4486$a417cc90$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
References: <776C9692689B460F9906203BCF889456@Dell5100Laptop>
	<115A3509237E4E5F91CB752357010E5F@latitudefb1e41>
	<003301ca4486$a417cc90$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330910032105r35e69fc9sf5835698c2d63e22@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sure we all have our personal 'Wall of shame'.  Mine includes a U
shaped con rod, a pinion gear missing several teeth and an oil pan the
looks like someone put a hole in it with a 9mm.

The price of experience is not paid in years or dollars, it is in
learning from mistakes of ourselves and others kind enough to share.



On 10/3/09, MORDY DUNST <gasket.works at verizon.net> wrote:
> Some years ago? 1995 when I visited with the UK/Terry Hurrell.  . I traded
> some copper gaskets for "new and unground" cam.  Can't remember where he
> said the new cams came from.    I had it ground --the cam pretty much melted
> in the first five minutes of use.  The lobes and the distributor gear went
> away.  ....    didn't break though.
>
> My wifes 911 porsche had one cam break in half downshifting at Watkins Glen.
> Her loving dad rebuilt the engine for  her albeit with askance looks while
> cursing under his breath the entire time. She still keeps the remnant of
> that camshaft on the shelf.
>
> Mordy
>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Sun Oct  4 07:52:08 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:52:08 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?
Message-ID: <c39.61a07c10.37fa0288@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/03/2009 3:10:34 PM Central Daylight Time, 
budscars at comcast.net writes:


> <<< just got mine in the mail(Ebay)...got 2 silver and 1 green..really 
> cool little
> dudes! >>>


Like a Lemming, I've have followed the rushing crowd to Walmart and 
purchased two Hot Wheels TRIUMPH TR6 models.  They are both the #17 silver race car 
model.  Now if I can only find my collection of Avon After Shave (in the 
green glass TR3 bottles), I can keep them all together.  I hope Shirley hasn't 
tossed them out.

Why would a seventy year old man make a special trip to Walmart to buy Hot 
Wheels?  Total cost...$2.04.  And they're not a gift for my grandchildren.  
They're for myself no less.  It's because what happened at ROAD AMERICA last 
week end is more frosting on our cake.  Kas, Tullius, and a host of others 
laid the foundation a half century ago.  By shade tree backyard efforts, 
that winning tradition was continued in club racing for decades.  Long after 
TRIUMPH ceased production the winning continues.  People like Prentice, 
Wheeler, and now Halkias continued the winning tradition.    Based on the 
incredible number of wins, and in particular its club racing record...clearly, 
TRIUMPH, that sports car for the common man...that sports car of the great 
unwashed, is one of the greatest marques ever. 

You bet!  I've got mine too.

Bill (Damdinger)


From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Oct  4 09:38:08 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:38:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?
References: <c39.61a07c10.37fa0288@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F0F0A6FEE5644F0AB9524050EDC782B0@Bud>

Very nice Bill
Racer Bud
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: BillDentin at aol.com
  To: budscars at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 6:52 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?


  In a message dated 10/03/2009 3:10:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
budscars at comcast.net writes:



    <<< just got mine in the mail(Ebay)...got 2 silver and 1 green..really
cool little
    dudes! >>>



  Like a Lemming, I've have followed the rushing crowd to Walmart and
purchased two Hot Wheels TRIUMPH TR6 models.  They are both the #17 silver
race car model.  Now if I can only find my collection of Avon After Shave (in
the green glass TR3 bottles), I can keep them all together.  I hope Shirley
hasn't tossed them out.

  Why would a seventy year old man make a special trip to Walmart to buy Hot
Wheels?  Total cost...$2.04.  And they're not a gift for my grandchildren.
They're for myself no less.  It's because what happened at ROAD AMERICA last
week end is more frosting on our cake.  Kas, Tullius, and a host of others
laid the foundation a half century ago.  By shade tree backyard efforts, that
winning tradition was continued in club racing for decades.  Long after
TRIUMPH ceased production the winning continues.  People like Prentice,
Wheeler, and now Halkias continued the winning tradition.    Based on the
incredible number of wins, and in particular its club racing record...clearly,
TRIUMPH, that sports car for the common man...that sports car of the great
unwashed, is one of the greatest marques ever.

  You bet!  I've got mine too.

  Bill (Damdinger)


From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Oct  4 10:17:14 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:17:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] HOT WHEELS TRIUMPH TR6 ABSOLUT VODKA CUSTOM - eBay (item
 220486822459 end time Oct-04-09 19:30:41 PDT)
Message-ID: <15387C9D9F7D4232AEBE2633AB761E07@Bud>

check out this one!!
Racer Bud
http://cgi.ebay.com/HOT-WHEELS-TRIUMPH-TR6-ABSOLUT-VODKA-CUSTOM_W0QQitemZ2204
86822459QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDiecast_Vehicles?hash=item335609ea3b&_trksid=p3286
.c0.m14


From deanesr at uncw.edu  Sun Oct  4 10:30:06 2009
From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:30:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels an adventure in Wally World
Message-ID: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E0945178CBA9693@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu>

Well it has been interesting being in "Wally World" getting in front of kids
looking for TR-6s , felt like a kid again and then got ribbed by the wife when
I got home, only found one so far ...but there is another Wal-Mart in town!
There is no rhyme or reason to the way they put the little car on the rack so
you have to go thru every one of them. Three or four people looked at me
rambling thru the cars as some hit the floor and one lady wanted to know if I
had seen any helicopters , I told her I was only half thru of the 300 it
seemed cars. Good luck hunting!

Rob deanes
TR-4 Racer  #62
TR-6, TR-4 Street


From JHOUATHOME at aol.com  Sun Oct  4 11:23:58 2009
From: JHOUATHOME at aol.com (JHOUATHOME at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 13:23:58 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?
Message-ID: <cd8.5777e5aa.37fa342e@aol.com>

At the risk of sounding like I am pandering...I would add a few names to  
Bill's list.  There are so many who have been stalwart Triumph devotees,  who 
have loved and raced our their TR's, but who have not won in the  
limelight.  People like our own Joe Alexander, who we all at FOT owe so  much to, 
Uncle Jack Drews, the late Mike Belfer, and of course Mr. Dentinger  himself to 
name but a few.  I look forward to the day when I can buy a red  #197 TR4, 
a blue #59 TR4, and a baby blue "Beady Eye" TR3 for my  collection, and my 
kids can tell their kids that "My Dad had the honor to  race with THOSE GUYS, 
and I got to be there for it when I was a kid!"
 
I still own the very first Triumph I ever saw (watched it around town when  
I was 5, bought it when I was 15!) and while I am delighted by, humbled by, 
 and add my congratulations to, Bills list of luminaries, I am most 
appreciative  of and inspired by these folks in our own FOT.  Thanks to all of you 
for  the past, present and future memories.  To be there when Bill won our  
group race in the TR3 at the Chicago Historic races in 1987 (?) remains one 
of  my best Triumph experiences.  I am sure that there are hundreds of other 
 such memories in the group.  Thanks everyone for keeping the flame  
burning.
 
John Houlton
 
 
In a message dated 10/4/2009 9:19:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
BillDentin at aol.com writes:

In a  message dated 10/03/2009 3:10:34 PM Central Daylight Time,  
budscars at comcast.net writes:


> <<< just got mine in  the mail(Ebay)...got 2 silver and 1 green..really 
> cool little
>  dudes! >>>


Like a Lemming, I've have followed the rushing  crowd to Walmart and 
purchased two Hot Wheels TRIUMPH TR6 models.   They are both the #17 silver 
race car 
model.  Now if I can only find  my collection of Avon After Shave (in the 
green glass TR3 bottles), I can  keep them all together.  I hope Shirley 
hasn't 
tossed them  out.

Why would a seventy year old man make a special trip to Walmart to  buy Hot 
Wheels?  Total cost...$2.04.  And they're not a gift for  my grandchildren. 
 
They're for myself no less.  It's because  what happened at ROAD AMERICA 
last 
week end is more frosting on our  cake.  Kas, Tullius, and a host of others 
laid the foundation a half  century ago.  By shade tree backyard efforts, 
that winning tradition  was continued in club racing for decades.  Long 
after 
TRIUMPH ceased  production the winning continues.  People like Prentice, 
Wheeler, and  now Halkias continued the winning tradition.    Based on the  
incredible number of wins, and in particular its club racing  
record...clearly, 
TRIUMPH, that sports car for the common man...that  sports car of the great 
unwashed, is one of the greatest marques ever.  

You bet!  I've got mine too.

Bill  (Damdinger)
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun Oct  4 13:03:56 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:03:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
In-Reply-To: <115A3509237E4E5F91CB752357010E5F@latitudefb1e41>
References: <776C9692689B460F9906203BCF889456@Dell5100Laptop>
	<115A3509237E4E5F91CB752357010E5F@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <4AC8F19C.3040409@pobox.com>

My comments are in line with Greg Solow's.  My principal concern is with 
the shaft diameter as it relates to the stiffness of the valve train, 
but it could also be related to breakage.  Ideally, you want the valve 
train to be stiff to reduce the deflection and vibrations.  I found the 
same article that Greg mentioned in the Brooklands reprints (for TR2 & 
3) that explained that Triumph beefed up the front portion of the shaft 
to increase the stiffness. According to my measurements, you can't get 
more than 0.300 lift from a regrind without cutting into the core (the 
part between the lobes).  If you want 0.370 lift from a regrind, you'll 
have to undercut the core about 0.200 inch.  That reduce it's stiffness 
by more than 50%. If you grind on a new blank and keep it as large as 
possible, you will not have to make it as small, so it should be both 
stiffer and less likely to break. 

British Parts Northwest did carry blanks for a while, but I understand 
they no longer plan to stock them.  I've just ordered a small batch from 
the UK.  I've seen problems with both the drive gear and the bearing 
surfaces.  My TR3 and Tony Drew's TR4 both have been running cams ground 
on new blanks without any problems.

Perhaps in this discussion, it would be useful to know the lift of the 
cam and whether it was new or reground. You'd expect the front portion 
of the cam to be the part most likely to break.
Larry

Bob Kramer wrote:
> Bob,
>
> Larry Young, who is designing camshafts for some of the FOT, likes to 
> use new blanks rather than regrind for his race camshafts. His 
> thinking is that during the regrind they also reduce the diamter of 
> the shaft to keep it smaller than the base of the lobes. He is worried 
> about your exact problem. Maybe he'll chime in.
>
> Bob K
> Austin TX


From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Oct  4 13:08:38 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 13:08:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?
In-Reply-To: <c39.61a07c10.37fa0288@aol.com>
References: <c39.61a07c10.37fa0288@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4AC8F2B6.8030802@bradakis.com>

BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
> ...
> clearly, TRIUMPH, that sports car for the common man...that sports car of the
> great unwashed, is one of the greatest marques ever. 
>
>   


I wasn't paying that much attention to this Hot Wheels fervor.  After 
reading Bill's
comment, though, I think I'll be getting one myself to perch atop one of 
the Team.Net
servers.

As many of you know I host many email lists, most involving old sports 
cars of some
type or another.  I haven't actually counted lately, but the last time I 
did there were
something like 15,000 subscriptions all told.  It takes a bit of my time 
and I do it for
free, mostly, though I do solicit contributions now and again to cover 
my expenses and
new hardware as needed to keep things going.  Sometimes, like the AOL 
block a few
months ago, it is quite a chore and I wonder why I bother.

This FOT list, however, is not a bother, but an honor.  We're coming up 
on the 13th
anniversary of this list, we've got almost 300 members.  It has been a 
few years since
I've had a Triumph on the track, almost a year since I've had one on the 
street.  But this
list helps me keep my enthusiasm going.

The offer of the trip to Portland this year is a good indicator of the 
type of people on
this list.  And  the trip to Hallett for the 10th Anniversary was 
another great example.
I remember back at Mid-Ohio in 2002 heading to the bleachers over there 
north of the
paddock to catch the start of the Triumph feature race.  Lots of Triumph 
fans were
there, excited to be part of the event, everyone yakking away.  When the 
field came up
the hill to the turn ready to take the green, it got REAL quiet in the 
stands.  A moment
of life I will cherish forever.

Yep, I gotta  get a little Triumph racer to adorn my office.

Thanks, folks.

mjb.


From robertten1 at aol.com  Sun Oct  4 15:41:25 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:41:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels an adventure in Wally World
In-Reply-To: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E0945178CBA9693@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu>
References: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E0945178CBA9693@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu>
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 I found a silver one at Target, haven't been to Walworld yet


Bob T


 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Deanes, Robert <deanesr at uncw.edu>
To: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Oct 4, 2009 12:30 pm
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels an adventure in Wally World










Well it has been interesting being in "Wally World" getting in front of kids
looking for TR-6s , felt like a kid again and then got ribbed by the wife when
I got home, only found one so far ...but there is another Wal-Mart in town!
There is no rhyme or reason to the way they put the little car on the rack so
you have to go thru every one of them. Three or four people looked at me
rambling thru the cars as some hit the floor and one lady wanted to know if I
had seen any helicopters , I told her I was only half thru of the 300 it
seemed cars. Good luck hunting!

Rob deanes
TR-4 Racer  #62
TR-6, TR-4 Street
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From Catpusher at aol.com  Sun Oct  4 15:59:11 2009
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 17:59:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
Message-ID: <bd1.61251565.37fa74af@aol.com>

I agree completely with Greg.
 
I never had a problem with the Kas cams, including the one that he ground  
for me on the last known blank from the Triumph parts system.
 
I had two cam grinders brush off the information about the two diameters,  
and lost three cams over the years.
 
The most frustrating one broke in front of the gear in T3 at the old  
Laguna; if only the rotor had stopped pointing to the #1 plug, the crank trigger  
might have made it to the top of the hill on the last lap of the last 
season  race, as the front two lobes still worked; it cost the divisional title.
 
The worst was one that broke in two places, and allowed the front part of  
the cam to fall down into the crank.
 
I installed and closely watched the cam bearings, and polished the radii on 
 both sides of the gear, and magged the cam at least once a year.
 
Hardy
 
 
In a message dated 10/4/2009 9:06:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:

From:  "Greg Solow" <gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Survey:  TR3-4 camshaft breakage
To: "ofbracing" <ofbracing at nefcom.net>, "'Bob  Adams'"

I have never experienced any camshaft breakage, but in a  reprint of an 
article from the English magazine Autocar from April 8, 1955  excessive 
camshaft bending in the area of the oil pump drive gear is  mentioned. And 
this was with early light springs but continuous use over  5,000 rpm. to 
cure 
the problems the front part only of the camshaft was  increased in diameter 
by 1/8". Remember, the span of support in the front  of the engine is twice 
as large as in the rear half. The drive gear has  replaced the bearing that 
would  be expected in this  location.
I believe that the shaft diameter should not be  reduced below its 
original as cast diameter for this reason. If a cam  grind has so much lift 
or duration that the shaft diameter has to be  reduced to accommodate a 
small 
base circle, then the lobes need to be  welded up or a new cam blank with 
large enough lobes should be used. The  new cam blank should be checked to 
make sure the front part of the shaft  is 1/8" larger than the rear part. 
it 
should also be the same minimum size  as the original shaft.......


From jaboruch at netzero.net  Sun Oct  4 17:40:41 2009
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 23:40:41 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
Message-ID: <20091004.194041.17310.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com>

I have broken one.  Mis-shifted, 10000+ rpms, valve float, bang - lots of
broken parts.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Bob Adams <adams910 at gmail.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:44:11 -0400

Has anyone broken one, and by broken I mean snapped in two?

If you have where did it break, and what did you determine to be the cause?

Thanks,

Bob
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From jerrybarr at charter.net  Sun Oct  4 20:10:59 2009
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (jerrybarr at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 02:10:59 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?
Message-ID: <1974959858-1254708775-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1344832935-@bda008.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

My sweet wife and I are in Spearfish SD so we went to the local Walmart to look for the TR6 racers. After looking though the whole rack all we found was a Dstun 510 so I bought it so I can stomp on it.
------Original Message------
From: RACER BUD
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To: BillDentin at aol.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
ReplyTo: RACER BUD
Subject: Re: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?
Sent: Oct 4, 2009 9:38 AM

Very nice Bill
Racer Bud
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: BillDentin at aol.com
  To: budscars at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 6:52 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?


  In a message dated 10/03/2009 3:10:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
budscars at comcast.net writes:



    <<< just got mine in the mail(Ebay)...got 2 silver and 1 green..really
cool little
    dudes! >>>



  Like a Lemming, I've have followed the rushing crowd to Walmart and
purchased two Hot Wheels TRIUMPH TR6 models.  They are both the #17 silver
race car model.  Now if I can only find my collection of Avon After Shave (in
the green glass TR3 bottles), I can keep them all together.  I hope Shirley
hasn't tossed them out.

  Why would a seventy year old man make a special trip to Walmart to buy Hot
Wheels?  Total cost...$2.04.  And they're not a gift for my grandchildren.
They're for myself no less.  It's because what happened at ROAD AMERICA last
week end is more frosting on our cake.  Kas, Tullius, and a host of others
laid the foundation a half century ago.  By shade tree backyard efforts, that
winning tradition was continued in club racing for decades.  Long after
TRIUMPH ceased production the winning continues.  People like Prentice,
Wheeler, and now Halkias continued the winning tradition.    Based on the
incredible number of wins, and in particular its club racing record...clearly,
TRIUMPH, that sports car for the common man...that sports car of the great
unwashed, is one of the greatest marques ever.

  You bet!  I've got mine too.

  Bill (Damdinger)
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Oct  5 07:44:27 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:44:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?
Message-ID: <c4f.51e97b43.37fb523b@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/04/2009 12:23:58 PM Central Daylight Time, JHOUATHOME 
writes:


> I still own the very first Triumph I ever saw (watched it around town 
> when I was 5, bought it when I was 15!) and while I am delighted by, humbled 
> by, and add my congratulations to, Bills list of luminaries, I am most 
> appreciative of and inspired by these folks in our own FOT.  Thanks to all of 
> you for the past, present and future memories.  To be there when Bill won our 
> group race in the TR3 at the Chicago Historic races in 1987 (?) remains 
> one of my best Triumph experiences.  I am sure that there are hundreds of 
> other such memories in the group.  Thanks everyone for keeping the flame 
> burning.
> 

Ah so.  So then...you're the other guy who remembers that early CHR race.  
That was in the wet too.

Bill (Damdinger)


From emanteno at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 09:29:03 2009
From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:29:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Bill D winning in the rain, was Hot Wheels...WHY?
Message-ID: <354a1780910050829q1607906axb14ec52cbb62cc02@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:44 AM, <BillDentin at aol.com> wrote:

Ah so.  So then...you're the other guy who remembers that early CHR race.
> That was in the wet too.
>


I remember it as well. I was flagging at Corner 6 for that race.

Irv


From emanteno at comcast.net  Mon Oct  5 09:34:34 2009
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:34:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Cool Sight
Message-ID: <354a1780910050834w3eae6139j74064dc131ab748d@mail.gmail.com>

I just got back from VTR/TRiumphest, and the second coolest sight (Paul
Smock was #1) was a TR6 with an ARKAY turbo set up on it. I had never seen
one before. What a nice installation, but of course, we all know why that
is.

Irv


From robertten1 at aol.com  Mon Oct  5 09:32:27 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:32:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Autocross Weekend
Message-ID: <8CC13E82DF5DB1A-3B68-4F398@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com>

Amici,

As an autocrosser I thought I 'd pass along my weekend experience that I shared with a fellow autocrosser here in New England.

Cheers,
Bob T
'64 Spitfire GT? autocrosser


So I had a full weekend of autocrossing
starting with the local Miata club on a wet Saturday.? There weren't any
downpours till the very end of the afternoon runs but the surface was
wet none the less, with several spots with standing water.? My Toyo's
finally started to shine once I found that 8 lbs. less of air was the
trick.? I found lots of grip and only had to be careful in the tight
turn arounds.? Even the event chair was surprised how well I was doing.? Its the
best I ever felt behind the wheel in the wet, very confident in the
car.? So, yes I had very low times, not as good as top driver in the HondaCRX in my class,
and I did hit a few cones in the process but that's the price to find a quicker time.? To top off a great day of racing I won the raffle, a
$50.00 Shell Gas Card, yahoo!? This paid for all my travel gas for the
weekend plus.



So after a wet and cold Saturday, I ventured out on Sunday to Hartford,
CT, for the Jaguar Club of Southern New England's 2nd Annual Slalom.?
Needless to say the day got better and better weather wise.? The club has use of a great lot that is more than adequate for the Jag course with tons
of run off area everywhere.? There was some grumbling that the surface
was damp but Jag owners had this second chance to do well as far as
JCNA National Times in their respective classes .? Got to see some familiar faces and
saw some interesting cars.? Gary was there with his silver E-Type minus
the graphics, there were a couple Healey 3000's, a problem bound '62
Lotus 7 ( a real Lotus ),? Ray Zeza with a nice former World Challenge
Corvette ( a Kim Baker car ) and the usual mix of Jag's and others that
we see at the JANE events.? People were having a good ole time turning
in good times for their particular group.? I was still on my Toyo's
running about 2 lbs extra in them, seems to be the answer for these
tight tight courses too.? Yes, I'm fially back in the 40 second range, after a few years in the 41 to 42 second range, I have reached my
goal.? I believe I ended up second in Class Z behind Ray's Corvette,
sorry I can't remember his best time ( 39 or 38 ??? ).? Gary said he
wished he had his race tires cause he was stuck in the 42's on street tires,
but admits that was good times for the tires.? Forgot to mention Jim
was there with his monster Race V12 E-Type but suffered a water pump
pulley failure on the co-drivers first run ( 40.3 )? Jim never got to
make a second competitive run.



All in all it was a great race weekend, ran alot, learned alot and
achieved alot.? I'm a very happy camper indeed!? One race weekend left
and I hate to say it ... winter solstace.



Cheers mate,

Bob T


From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Oct  5 10:26:53 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:26:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Emailing: IMG_8342 (1)   My friend's 'TRIUMPH'
Message-ID: <8701DE415DA644B8A2FFA4DB61189A8F@Bud>

Hi Gang...not a 'Triumph' per say, but definetely a triumph in it's Art
Form.....This is my friend John Lewis' drag car...
Racer Bud
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Oct  5 10:45:22 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 12:45:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cool Sight
In-Reply-To: <354a1780910050834w3eae6139j74064dc131ab748d@mail.gmail.com>
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did uncle jack find a home......?












-----Original Message-----
From: Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net>
To: FOT <fot at Autox.Team.Net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 5, 2009 10:34 am
Subject: [Fot] Cool Sight



I just got back from VTR/TRiumphest, and the second coolest sight (Paul
Smock was #1) was a TR6 with an ARKAY turbo set up on it. I had never seen
one before. What a nice installation, but of course, we all know why that
is.

Irv
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Mon Oct  5 13:44:47 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:44:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spit question
Message-ID: <8CC140B6DDA0577-F54-19A5@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com>

Amici,

I'm here going thru my spares while preparing to rebuild 3 transmissions and have come across a dilemma ... the throw out bearing carrier. Do I have early or late parts ( b&b 3 finger or diaphram ) ?? If some one could tell me if the longer ( I need to know the length between the bottom of bearing to the flange the sets in the fork ) is for the which clutch set up?

Got here do to I'm running a GT6 gearbox and things are different for that set up.? An help from those knowledgable would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Bob T
'63 Spitfire MK1
'64 Spitfire GT autocrosser


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Oct  5 15:21:58 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:21:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fw: not auto related...Joke from my Mom...She's a Triumph
References: <7347E9BFA45348D49B980D695A82223C@Bud>
Message-ID: <189036B515894E7B97FC499A416E5042@rocky>

I'm going to have to find some kindergarten kid to tell that too. I'm sure 
someone in that age range will think it's hilarious!

;-)

--Rocket J. Squirrel


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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:15 PM
Subject: [Fot] Fw: not auto related...Joke from my Mom...She's a Triumph


> -
>
>
> Hi Gang......My Mom...88 years old.... called me tonight to tell me a
> joke...She laughed while she told it...This is what Cute Stuff is about..
>
> WHY DID THE RAISIN GO OUT WITH THE PRUNE?
> BECAUSE HE COULDN'T GET A DATE!
> Racer Bud
>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Oct  5 15:27:47 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:27:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: not auto related...Joke from my Mom...She's a Triumph
References: <7347E9BFA45348D49B980D695A82223C@Bud>
	<189036B515894E7B97FC499A416E5042@rocky>
Message-ID: <D50A2D11E0264345969B2E4C8542082A@Bud>

I told it to my 6 year old grandson yesterday..he loved it.. got it right 
away!
RB
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To: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: not auto related...Joke from my Mom...She's a Triumph


> I'm going to have to find some kindergarten kid to tell that too. I'm sure 
> someone in that age range will think it's hilarious!
>
> ;-)
>
> --Rocket J. Squirrel
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:15 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Fw: not auto related...Joke from my Mom...She's a Triumph
>
>
>> -
>>
>>
>> Hi Gang......My Mom...88 years old.... called me tonight to tell me a
>> joke...She laughed while she told it...This is what Cute Stuff is about..
>>
>> WHY DID THE RAISIN GO OUT WITH THE PRUNE?
>> BECAUSE HE COULDN'T GET A DATE!
>> Racer Bud
>>
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From stutzmans at comcast.net  Mon Oct  5 21:31:59 2009
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 23:31:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
In-Reply-To: <4AC8F19C.3040409@pobox.com>
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	<4AC8F19C.3040409@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <38A556D161B9456C9F8B1E1AB0257CBA@ComputerPC>

I've been reading your comments on this issue with considerable interest.
I have ruined lobes on several Isky555 regrinds over the years - always 
blamed it on the lifters.  I dug one out from under the work bench today and 
examined it.  The diameter of the fat half of the shaft has been cut down 
about .050 in.  The cam lift on a 555 is .298 in.
Do you think that is enough to be causing my problem of ruining lobes?
Bruce

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage


> My comments are in line with Greg Solow's.  My principal concern is with
> the shaft diameter as it relates to the stiffness of the valve train,
> but it could also be related to breakage.  Ideally, you want the valve
> train to be stiff to reduce the deflection and vibrations.  I found the
> same article that Greg mentioned in the Brooklands reprints (for TR2 &
> 3) that explained that Triumph beefed up the front portion of the shaft
> to increase the stiffness. According to my measurements, you can't get
> more than 0.300 lift from a regrind without cutting into the core (the
> part between the lobes).  If you want 0.370 lift from a regrind, you'll
> have to undercut the core about 0.200 inch.  That reduce it's stiffness
> by more than 50%. If you grind on a new blank and keep it as large as
> possible, you will not have to make it as small, so it should be both
> stiffer and less likely to break.
>
> British Parts Northwest did carry blanks for a while, but I understand
> they no longer plan to stock them.  I've just ordered a small batch from
> the UK.  I've seen problems with both the drive gear and the bearing
> surfaces.  My TR3 and Tony Drew's TR4 both have been running cams ground
> on new blanks without any problems.
>
> Perhaps in this discussion, it would be useful to know the lift of the
> cam and whether it was new or reground. You'd expect the front portion
> of the cam to be the part most likely to break.
> Larry
>
> Bob Kramer wrote:
>> Bob,
>>
>> Larry Young, who is designing camshafts for some of the FOT, likes to
>> use new blanks rather than regrind for his race camshafts. His
>> thinking is that during the regrind they also reduce the diamter of
>> the shaft to keep it smaller than the base of the lobes. He is worried
>> about your exact problem. Maybe he'll chime in.
>>
>> Bob K
>> Austin TX
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue Oct  6 09:28:14 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:28:14 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Big Bore Bash - Willow Springs November
Message-ID: <d60.59ee1b68.37fcbc0e@cs.com>

SOCAL FOT,

It looks like Kent Howard (original TR4A owner) and I will attend the VARA 
Big Bash Bore event at Willow Springs in November.

Interested in who will be there and can bring stuff if anyone needs 
anything.

Joe Alexander


From mlbruner53 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  6 10:20:17 2009
From: mlbruner53 at yahoo.com (Michael Bruner)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:20:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Big Bore Bash - Willow Springs November
In-Reply-To: <d60.59ee1b68.37fcbc0e@cs.com>
Message-ID: <324497.56751.qm@web54111.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I'm planning on being there and I have a whole truck of spares your welcome to
share.  Looking forward to seeing you there.

Mike Bruner
TR4A - #612
Blacksmith Racing

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, N197TR4 at cs.com <N197TR4 at cs.com> wrote:


From: N197TR4 at cs.com <N197TR4 at cs.com>
Subject: [Fot] Big Bore Bash - Willow Springs November
To: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 8:28 AM


SOCAL FOT,

It looks like Kent Howard (original TR4A owner) and I will attend the VARA
Big Bash Bore event at Willow Springs in November.

Interested in who will be there and can bring stuff if anyone needs
anything.

Joe Alexander
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Oct  6 11:18:46 2009
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:18:46 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] Big Bore Bash - Willow Springs November
Message-ID: <33505400.1254849526897.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I'll be there with the  TR3.  Look forward to seeing you, Joe.



~Steve

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>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] Big Bore Bash - Willow Springs November
>
>SOCAL FOT,
>
>It looks like Kent Howard (original TR4A owner) and I will attend the VARA 
>Big Bash Bore event at Willow Springs in November.
>
>Interested in who will be there and can bring stuff if anyone needs 
>anything.
>
>Joe Alexander
>
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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct  6 12:11:06 2009
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:11:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] blackhawk farms racers
Message-ID: <909435.27306.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

looking for motel info .... for those who frequent Blackhawk Farms in Beloit,
Wi.   Has anyone ever stayed at the "Riverside Motel", or know anything about
it?????  Would like to hear what its like ...
  Thanks in advance,


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire


From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct  6 12:17:43 2009
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:17:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] blackhawk farms racers ...
Message-ID: <803949.10461.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

looking for motel info .... for those who frequent Blackhawk Farms in Beloit,
Wi.   Has anyone ever stayed at the "Riverside Motel", or know anything about
it?????  Would like to hear what its like ...
  Thanks in advance,


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue Oct  6 18:49:51 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:49:51 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Cross country Stag Sighting
Message-ID: <BLU116-W29A524EA645A490032D1C790CD0@phx.gbl>

I am here in Las Vegas for a convention and went to the parking Garage here at
the Hilton Gardens and sighted a Triumph Stag, in running condition.  It was
the cross country Stag.  Good luck on the rest of your trip, I assume the
return......Cheers Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Wed Oct  7 01:53:16 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 01:53:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TTA Stag
Message-ID: <BLU116-W2439FFEED8E8535AFD955990CD0@phx.gbl>

Just got in, didn't see any FOT shirts at the Playboy Club.  TTA Stag is still
here, is there an emergency I can help
with?????...................................         Cheers Henry Morrison,
Albuquerque, NM Currently Las Vegas.........................


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Oct  7 07:42:15 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:42:15 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Southwick Axles - NFI - Transport Cores from CA to IL
Message-ID: <bde.54ff8319.37fdf4b7@cs.com>

FOT:

If someone on the west coast wants to have a TR3/TR4Southwick Axle done. I 
can volunteer to transport one or two from California to Southwick and save 
you shipping charges.

You must have a good axle housing with backing plates.....no internals and 
clean.
You must make arrangements with Southwick for the work and payment yourself.

I will be at Willow Springs for the Big Bore Bash. 8-9 Nov. If you have one 
lying about and want to donate (get rid of it) to some other person for 
their cost avoidance, donate it.  Jack & I left off 4 or 5 for TR Racers to use 
and they are gone now.

Joe Alexander


From Group44TR7 at aol.com  Wed Oct  7 12:49:24 2009
From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 14:49:24 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Michael Porter Please
Message-ID: <d5f.5960384c.37fe3cb4@aol.com>

Michael
 
        Please let me know how to  best contact you
 
Cary Perket


From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 09:08:38 2009
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:08:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 limited slip??
Message-ID: <4ACE0076.8050203@gmail.com>

I'm currently planning some work on my street TR3A at the end of the 
year.  My car really needs help in the rear wheel traction department.

I'm looking for a Limited slip to install in my TR3.  Does anyone have a 
good condition Quaif or Salisbury sitting on the shelf that they might 
wish to sell?  Lacking that can you point me in the direction of where I 
could purchase a new one?

My anticipated purchase date would be in late December.

Thanks,

Teriann


From markvaden at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 10:55:09 2009
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:55:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 limited slip??
In-Reply-To: <4ACE0076.8050203@gmail.com>
References: <4ACE0076.8050203@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <285b8a860910080955x3dd11286m6df73bfc810d8bff@mail.gmail.com>

I think my buddy Randy at HeritageMotorsports can get a pretty good
deal on a new quaife. His shops number is 619 447 0025.

-Mark

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 8:08 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
wrote:
> I'm currently planning some work on my street TR3A at the end of the year.
>  My car really needs help in the rear wheel traction department.
>
> I'm looking for a Limited slip to install in my TR3.  Does anyone have a
> good condition Quaif or Salisbury sitting on the shelf that they might wish
> to sell?  Lacking that can you point me in the direction of where I could
> purchase a new one?
>
> My anticipated purchase date would be in late December.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Teriann
>
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From rikrock at aol.com  Thu Oct  8 11:35:33 2009
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 13:35:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
Message-ID: <8CC1654DF4538CC-8690-1D118@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>

Sure to make the purists cringe!



http://formula-ccm.tripod.com/old-car-pics.html



Rich Rock


From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Oct  8 12:17:44 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:17:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
References: <8CC1654DF4538CC-8690-1D118@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <221B6AD861FD45A8AA09B49BD78220B6@Bud>

thanks Rich....wonderful stuff!..and the entry fees were 20 bucks
Racer Bud
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3


> Sure to make the purists cringe!
> 
> 
> 
> http://formula-ccm.tripod.com/old-car-pics.html
> 
> 
> 
> Rich Rock
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Oct  8 12:27:25 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:27:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
In-Reply-To: <8CC1654DF4538CC-8690-1D118@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC1654DF4538CC-8690-1D118@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC165C1D19FC90-3F58-96D9@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com>

Great trip down memory lane.



Corvair Comment: I once changed a Corvair clutch by unbolting everything and lifting the? rear of the body off with my dad's endloader and a chain, leaving the engine sitting on the floor. 



Sign of The Times....1967-1976:? I was reading the TR6 factory manual today. It says, 'begin working on the TR6 BY FIRST TYING YOUR? LONG HAIR BEHIND YOUR HEAD'.

-----Original Message-----
From: rikrock at aol.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2009 12:35 pm
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3




Sure to make the purists cringe!



http://formula-ccm.tripod.com/old-car-pics.html



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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct  8 12:36:21 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:36:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS limited slip
In-Reply-To: <4ACE0076.8050203@gmail.com>
References: <4ACE0076.8050203@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <797204.72304.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI - while we are on the subject again.
Which do you think would be harder on the 'U'joints in an IRS TR.
1) a welded diff or
2) a detriot locker

Thanks
Dennis


From billb at bnj.com  Thu Oct  8 12:40:55 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:40:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
In-Reply-To: <8CC1654DF4538CC-8690-1D118@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC1654DF4538CC-8690-1D118@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <F2B56A1A-42A6-477E-B1CD-A3A08454D4E8@bnj.com>

great pictures!

On Oct 8, 2009, at 10:35 AM, rikrock at aol.com wrote:

> Sure to make the purists cringe!
>
>
>
> http://formula-ccm.tripod.com/old-car-pics.html
>
>
>
> Rich Rock
>
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Thu Oct  8 13:52:43 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:52:43 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
In-Reply-To: <8CC1654DF4538CC-8690-1D118@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC1654DF4538CC-8690-1D118@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <f83baf96af48.4ace430b@optonline.net>

Great pics!  Thanks Rich.



----- Original Message -----
From: rikrock at aol.com
Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009 2:05 pm
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
To: fot at autox.team.net

> Sure to make the purists cringe!
> 
> 
> 
> http://formula-ccm.tripod.com/old-car-pics.html
> 
> 
> 
> Rich Rock
> 
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Thu Oct  8 13:57:14 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:57:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS limited slip
In-Reply-To: <797204.72304.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4ACE0076.8050203@gmail.com>
	<797204.72304.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A061693CE9E@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Dennis,

I have a TR4A and I have upgraded to the Moss Europe rear hubs and
half-shafts. I have a Detroit Locket but I wouldn't worry about the u-joints
with a welded diff with these axles. The u-joints are much beefier, as is
everything else. Richard Good also sells a half shaft coversion for a TR6 that
should be as "good".

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Dennis DeLap
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:36 PM
To: TeriAnn J. Wakeman; FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 IRS limited slip

AMICI - while we are on the subject again.
Which do you think would be harder on the 'U'joints in an IRS TR.
1) a welded diff or
2) a detriot locker

Thanks
Dennis
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 16:49:50 2009
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:49:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Diff question
Message-ID: <4ACE6C8E.3040105@gmail.com>

I occurred to me that I'm not familiar with a Salisbury carrier except 
seeing it mentioned on this list.  Is it a locker or an automatic torque 
biasing diff?

I know a Quaife would work for me but I prefer something that is just a 
little more aggressive at transferring torque and I want to stay away 
from a locker.

Thanks

Teriann


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Oct  8 16:52:45 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:52:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] some Sam Halkias photos from Road america
References: <4ACE0076.8050203@gmail.com><797204.72304.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A061693CE9E@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <296AEDD4BF5A45779C7FC7F90B8BEC9A@latitudefb1e41>

http://www.flickr.com/photos/len5/sets/72157622356528325/?page=3


From billb at bnj.com  Thu Oct  8 17:46:54 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:46:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Diff question
In-Reply-To: <4ACE6C8E.3040105@gmail.com>
References: <4ACE6C8E.3040105@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <19D9BA10-97CA-4F37-BB99-EB2D61F4C31F@bnj.com>

Well then that would be a Salisbury.  Salisbury is a clutch-type diff,  
which can be adjusted to be far more aggressive than a quaife. Not  
cheap, and it's a good idea to figure out a way to cool them, like  
perhaps a finned diff cover, but they are da kine (beginning mental  
prep to bail to maui).
On Oct 8, 2009, at 3:49 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote:

> I occurred to me that I'm not familiar with a Salisbury carrier  
> except seeing it mentioned on this list.  Is it a locker or an  
> automatic torque biasing diff?
>
> I know a Quaife would work for me but I prefer something that is  
> just a little more aggressive at transferring torque and I want to  
> stay away from a locker.
>
> Thanks
>
> Teriann
>
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Thu Oct  8 17:56:54 2009
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:56:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] some Sam Halkias photos from Road america
In-Reply-To: <296AEDD4BF5A45779C7FC7F90B8BEC9A@latitudefb1e41>
References: <4ACE0076.8050203@gmail.com><797204.72304.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A061693CE9E@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
	<296AEDD4BF5A45779C7FC7F90B8BEC9A@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <000001ca4873$048849c0$0d98dd40$@racer@comcast.net>

Speaking of Sam, he received a nice mention in the Runoffs coverage in the
Oct. 5 issue of Autoweek.  Two pages of coverage with the following
paragraph about Sam: 

"The race was won by Sam Halkias in his ancient Triumph TR6, he finessed his
way through the field from a 10th place starting sport.  Halkias, who had
competed in 21 previous Runoffs, had missed only one - a couple of years
ago, after a stroke - and had never won the race.  He had been coming since
1972 as a spectator - his father died at the Runoffs, he said - and he began
crying during the post race driver interviews.  'Tears of joy', I assure you
he said, 'This means so much'".  

The article finished after the above with "That's the SCCA at its best, and
it was pretty darn good for the Runoffs".

Congratulations Sam.

Gary 
62 TR4
69 TR6

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Bob Kramer
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 3:53 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] some Sam Halkias photos from Road america

http://www.flickr.com/photos/len5/sets/72157622356528325/?page=3
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From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Thu Oct  8 18:31:37 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:31:37 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Diff question
Message-ID: <bcd.586ae746.37ffde69@aol.com>

You can get both items from Racetorations in the UK.  I have them in  my TR 
3B.  Not cheap but very good.
 
Gary Fuqua
Classic Sports Cars
Branson, MO


From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 21:47:18 2009
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:47:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Diff question
In-Reply-To: <19D9BA10-97CA-4F37-BB99-EB2D61F4C31F@bnj.com>
References: <4ACE6C8E.3040105@gmail.com>
	<19D9BA10-97CA-4F37-BB99-EB2D61F4C31F@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <4ACEB246.80208@gmail.com>

Bill Babcock wrote:
> Well then that would be a Salisbury.  Salisbury is a clutch-type diff, 
> which can be adjusted to be far more aggressive than a quaife. Not 
> cheap, and it's a good idea to figure out a way to cool them, like 
> perhaps a finned diff cover, but they are da kine (beginning mental 
> prep to bail to maui).

Thanks for the clarification Bill.  As it happens, my car already has a 
finned magnesium extra capacity diff cover.

Now all I need is a good used Salisbury carrier for a TR3A.  Anyone have 
one on the shelf?

Teriann


From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Fri Oct  9 05:50:01 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:50:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
References: <8CC1654DF4538CC-8690-1D118@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <014601ca48d6$a2a64f90$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  WOW! Does this bring back some memories!
  I also went to the Glen USGP for the first time in '68; I guess that was
the start of my downfall. I still have my tickets, also. I swore that some
day I'd race there; 39 years later, I did the SVRA Vintage GP. Had a blast.

  We called them "field cars" at my place. I had a '49 Ford and my pal Andy
had a '50 Chevy. Buddy Mike had something, not sure what. After our crops
were taken off one field, in the Fall of '66, I think, I made an oval by
using my dad's 8 foot disc. Had slight banking on the turns using the
existing terrain. We took the mufflers off and tied the doors shut for
safety and had at it. After a while we stopped to let the dust settle and
noticed several cars had stopped along the road to watch! Great fun. Un
fortunately, no photos.

  Great photos.
  As Bob Hope once said, thanks for the memories>
  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: <rikrock at aol.com>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:35 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3


  > Sure to make the purists cringe!
  >
  >
  >
  > http://formula-ccm.tripod.com/old-car-pics.html
  >
  >
  >
  > Rich Rock
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From triosan at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 08:05:42 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:05:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Diff question
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References: <4ACE6C8E.3040105@gmail.com>
	<19D9BA10-97CA-4F37-BB99-EB2D61F4C31F@bnj.com>
	<4ACEB246.80208@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0910090705q48dc393aue031d70a87132e0f@mail.gmail.com>

Try Ken Gillanders at British Frame and Engine.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 8:47 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Bill Babcock wrote:
>>
>> Well then that would be a Salisbury.  Salisbury is a clutch-type diff,
>> which can be adjusted to be far more aggressive than a quaife. Not cheap,
>> and it's a good idea to figure out a way to cool them, like perhaps a
finned
>> diff cover, but they are da kine (beginning mental prep to bail to maui).
>
> Thanks for the clarification Bill.  As it happens, my car already has a
> finned magnesium extra capacity diff cover.
>
> Now all I need is a good used Salisbury carrier for a TR3A.  Anyone have
one
> on the shelf?
>
> Teriann
>
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Fri Oct  9 09:13:10 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:13:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Who asked us about wanting an Amphicar?
Message-ID: <E98C9FB0-DA9D-4686-BCF3-9E2B674611D9@141.com>

Please shoot me an email--I apologize, we have forgotten who asked us  
about it.

Susan     :)


Sent from my iPhone


From riverside at southslope.net  Fri Oct  9 09:21:50 2009
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:21:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] e-mail problem
Message-ID: <001c01ca48f4$3994beb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>

I hate to bomb the group with this problem, but i have several months
of FOT e-mails that i cannot access and there are several that i
really need.

For some reason beyond my comprehension, my outlook express
created a second in box and will not let me into my
old one.  it is still in the outlook express location.  My tech support
people don't know what to do.

Can anybody in the group suggest a fix or a source for tech help
that can?    Thanks


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Fri Oct  9 09:58:50 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:58:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
In-Reply-To: <014601ca48d6$a2a64f90$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <6CFC01B19D704FF38FBDAB3DFDF37C4B@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

The "field cars" comment brought back some memories of Ireland.  A few years
ago, my wife and I were visiting Ireland and spotted a notice in the window
of a grocery store that said "Autograss Racing this Sunday" and gave the
location.  We thought it said autocross racing, so when we went to find the
track that Sunday we were not sure what we were in for.

Sure enough, it was an oval plowed out of a working pasture.  Had to drive
the rental car through disinfectant because of the hoof and mouth disease
that year.  First thing we heard when we opened the car door was the mother
in the car next to us hollering at her kids "I told you to watch where you
were walking!".

Anyway it was a great event.  60-80 cars from small sedans to rear engined
buggys made from front engined cars.  They all had heavy metal mesh instead
of a windshield since the track had millions of rocks the size of your fist
in the dirt surface.  The heats were only about 5 laps long and the
announcer sounded like he was calling a horse race - couldn't understand a
thing he said.  Spectators were held back about 50 ft from the main straight
by a rope.  Grassroots racing at it's finest.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of WILLIAM TOBIN
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 4:50 AM
To: rikrock at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Unusual TR-3


  WOW! Does this bring back some memories!
  I also went to the Glen USGP for the first time in '68; I guess that was
the start of my downfall. I still have my tickets, also. I swore that some
day I'd race there; 39 years later, I did the SVRA Vintage GP. Had a blast.

  We called them "field cars" at my place. I had a '49 Ford and my pal Andy
had a '50 Chevy. Buddy Mike had something, not sure what. After our crops
were taken off one field, in the Fall of '66, I think, I made an oval by
using my dad's 8 foot disc. Had slight banking on the turns using the
existing terrain. We took the mufflers off and tied the doors shut for
safety and had at it. After a while we stopped to let the dust settle and
noticed several cars had stopped along the road to watch! Great fun. Un
fortunately, no photos.

  Great photos.
  As Bob Hope once said, thanks for the memories>
  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: <rikrock at aol.com>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:35 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3


  > Sure to make the purists cringe!
  >
  >
  >
  > http://formula-ccm.tripod.com/old-car-pics.html
  >
  >
  >
  > Rich Rock
  >
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From bownes at seiri.com  Fri Oct  9 11:35:31 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:35:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
In-Reply-To: <6CFC01B19D704FF38FBDAB3DFDF37C4B@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
References: <014601ca48d6$a2a64f90$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
	<6CFC01B19D704FF38FBDAB3DFDF37C4B@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330910091035p7e10a7bbkbdc34def1d52c64@mail.gmail.com>

Ah.. field cars. Mine was a Pontiac Tempest. There was an old pre-war Ford
out in the
woods I always dreamed out saving , but never could figure out the logistics
of explaining it
to my GM employed father.


On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Norlin Engineering <
norlinengineering at comcast.net> wrote:

> The "field cars" comment brought back some memories of Ireland.  A few
> years
> ago, my wife and I were visiting Ireland and spotted a notice in the window
> of a grocery store that said "Autograss Racing this Sunday" and gave the
> location.  We thought it said autocross racing, so when we went to find the
> track that Sunday we were not sure what we were in for.
>
> Sure enough, it was an oval plowed out of a working pasture.  Had to drive
> the rental car through disinfectant because of the hoof and mouth disease
> that year.  First thing we heard when we opened the car door was the mother
> in the car next to us hollering at her kids "I told you to watch where you
> were walking!".
>
> Anyway it was a great event.  60-80 cars from small sedans to rear engined
> buggys made from front engined cars.  They all had heavy metal mesh instead
> of a windshield since the track had millions of rocks the size of your fist
> in the dirt surface.  The heats were only about 5 laps long and the
> announcer sounded like he was calling a horse race - couldn't understand a
> thing he said.  Spectators were held back about 50 ft from the main
> straight
> by a rope.  Grassroots racing at it's finest.
>
> Jim Norlin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of WILLIAM TOBIN
> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 4:50 AM
> To: rikrock at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
>
>
>  WOW! Does this bring back some memories!
>  I also went to the Glen USGP for the first time in '68; I guess that was
> the start of my downfall. I still have my tickets, also. I swore that some
> day I'd race there; 39 years later, I did the SVRA Vintage GP. Had a blast.
>
>  We called them "field cars" at my place. I had a '49 Ford and my pal Andy
> had a '50 Chevy. Buddy Mike had something, not sure what. After our crops
> were taken off one field, in the Fall of '66, I think, I made an oval by
> using my dad's 8 foot disc. Had slight banking on the turns using the
> existing terrain. We took the mufflers off and tied the doors shut for
> safety and had at it. After a while we stopped to let the dust settle and
> noticed several cars had stopped along the road to watch! Great fun. Un
> fortunately, no photos.
>
>  Great photos.
>  As Bob Hope once said, thanks for the memories>
>  Bill----- Original Message -----
>  From: <rikrock at aol.com>
>  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>  Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:35 PM
>  Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
>
>
>  > Sure to make the purists cringe!
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > http://formula-ccm.tripod.com/old-car-pics.html
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Rich Rock
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
>  >
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Oct  9 22:25:44 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:25:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] tr3 hot plugs
In-Reply-To: <7.1.0.9.0.20091009231924.10271be0@tonydrews.com>
References: <BLU147-W2490C66DACC82D4299D591DDCC0@phx.gbl>
	<634160.88292.qm@web111618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<258392.88369.qm@web111615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<7.1.0.9.0.20091009231924.10271be0@tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <20091010042611.2772618764D@autox.team.net>



From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Oct 10 02:24:29 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 02:24:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] e-mail problem
In-Reply-To: <001c01ca48f4$3994beb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <001c01ca48f4$3994beb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <4AD044BD.5060009@bradakis.com>

>  but i have several months
> of FOT e-mails that i cannot access and there are several that i
> really need.
>
>
>   


I can't help with Outlook, and will refrain from offering my opinion on
that, uh, fine software, but I will point out that past FOT emails can be
found at http://www.team.net/archive


mjb.


From munsonsb at telus.net  Sat Oct 10 11:16:22 2009
From: munsonsb at telus.net (munsonsb at telus.net)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:16:22 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Fot] Canadian Newbie - Introduction
Message-ID: <9083184.2303787.1255194982252.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes95>

Hi All - My Name is Barry Munson and I live in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.
First I want to thank Joe Alexander for his introduction and my nomination to Fot. As a component of that nomination he asked that I prepare a short personal synopsis and I must admit that I have been enjoying the benefits of being on the Fot list without fulfilling that request. So here goes........
I am a racer, a builder, a breaker, and a teacher. I am an aquatic toxicologist by training and I worked for the Canadian federal Environment department for 30+ yrs.and I don't have to worry about the work/play balance any more.
My current summer race car is a 1970 Volvo P1800 which I built in 1978 and have been pounding it around race tracks in western Canada for every year since. I run the car 4 to 6 times a year in the national GT3 class which is highly competitive with very strong - and much younger - cars, primarily from Japan. We, the car and me, which I refer to the "centenary plus" team - the age of the car plus the age of the driver exceeds 100 - very seldom win any more but sure do have fun. I do, however, run it hard as I remain a racer at heart. The highlight this year was participating in the support race immediately prior to the Indy Car race here in Edmonton on a temporary airport track. Racing in front of 80,000 people is kind of cool - more on that in a later note.
Summer racing up here starts in early June and is finished in early September. Which means that by December the go-fast bug starts to itch and to scratch it I have a 1975 Datsun 280Z which I race on the ice from Jan. to Mar. Fast fun car as it reaches in excess of 100mph on the front straights of the courses the we plow on a lake.
I am a chief driving instructor and I organize and teach at about 10 driving schools a year on a voluntary basis.
Connection to Triumph - when I was in university and single I had a 1961 powder blue TR3A. I had that car for 3 years, which also means 3 winters and up here it isn't the brightest move to have an English side-curtain car as your main means of transportation when its -20C outside. Man I loved that car, however sanity prevailed with marriage and I sold it. Fast forward 40 years to a 1980 Ford motorhome with an enclosed 40 ft. trailer behind humping north along the I-29 from Kansas City MO with a treasure inside. Upon arrival at the US-Canada border, the US customs officer got a chuckle out of what was in the trailer and the description on the transfer of title - "barn car" - a primrose yellow 1959 TR3A. So "Barnie" is home and the adventure begins.
The first piece of advice that I got from Fot was to buy Kas's books which I did - man what a head start that has given me. As I move through Barnie's reincarnation to a fast road car that can hold its own on the track - remember once a racer always a racer - I hope that I will be able to contribute to this group as much as I am getting out of it. 
Thanks. 
Barry.


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sat Oct 10 14:57:19 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:57:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] A few more pictures from CRC added
Message-ID: <23DA9DFE13314AE8A48FB4B05F60C3CD@desktop>

http://uploadingit.com/f/JM5IWVBYMCWY2DYG


From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Oct 10 15:56:40 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:56:40 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A few more pictures from CRC added
In-Reply-To: <23DA9DFE13314AE8A48FB4B05F60C3CD@desktop>
References: <23DA9DFE13314AE8A48FB4B05F60C3CD@desktop>
Message-ID: <4AD10318.80104@bradakis.com>

Gee, thanks.  Yet another batch of great photos to remind me of what
a fantastic event I missed.  I hate you all!  Harummph!

mjb.


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 10 16:20:41 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:20:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A few more pictures from CRC added
In-Reply-To: <4AD10318.80104@bradakis.com>
References: <23DA9DFE13314AE8A48FB4B05F60C3CD@desktop>
	<4AD10318.80104@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <1942705F-BA5A-4E40-98C7-2BD0ADEC8AAE@earthlink.net>

Mark,
I've heard shingles get worse before they get better. That's why I  
haven't sent your FoT -Kastner Cup T-Shirt yet.
What's your mailing address?

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Oct 10, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:

> Gee, thanks.  Yet another batch of great photos to remind me of what
> a fantastic event I missed.  I hate you all!  Harummph!
>
> mjb.
>
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>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Oct 10 16:23:09 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:23:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Canadian Newbie - Introduction
References: <9083184.2303787.1255194982252.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes95>
Message-ID: <59CE48F1638E4390AF348FBF1032EEF3@Bud>

Welcome Barry!
.....There's a very competitive p-1800 racing SCCA out here in S.F. region 
..Bruce Ackerman..i'm not sure if he runs GT3 or EP
Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..sonoma, Ca.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <munsonsb at telus.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>; <mark at bradakis.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Canadian Newbie - Introduction


> Hi All - My Name is Barry Munson and I live in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.
> First I want to thank Joe Alexander for his introduction and my nomination 
> to Fot. As a component of that nomination he asked that I prepare a short 
> personal synopsis and I must admit that I have been enjoying the benefits 
> of being on the Fot list without fulfilling that request. So here 
> goes........
> I am a racer, a builder, a breaker, and a teacher. I am an aquatic 
> toxicologist by training and I worked for the Canadian federal Environment 
> department for 30+ yrs.and I don't have to worry about the work/play 
> balance any more.
> My current summer race car is a 1970 Volvo P1800 which I built in 1978 and 
> have been pounding it around race tracks in western Canada for every year 
> since. I run the car 4 to 6 times a year in the national GT3 class which 
> is highly competitive with very strong - and much younger - cars, 
> primarily from Japan. We, the car and me, which I refer to the "centenary 
> plus" team - the age of the car plus the age of the driver exceeds 100 - 
> very seldom win any more but sure do have fun. I do, however, run it hard 
> as I remain a racer at heart. The highlight this year was participating in 
> the support race immediately prior to the Indy Car race here in Edmonton 
> on a temporary airport track. Racing in front of 80,000 people is kind of 
> cool - more on that in a later note.
> Summer racing up here starts in early June and is finished in early 
> September. Which means that by December the go-fast bug starts to itch and 
> to scratch it I have a 1975 Datsun 280Z which I race on the ice from Jan. 
> to Mar. Fast fun car as it reaches in excess of 100mph on the front 
> straights of the courses the we plow on a lake.
> I am a chief driving instructor and I organize and teach at about 10 
> driving schools a year on a voluntary basis.
> Connection to Triumph - when I was in university and single I had a 1961 
> powder blue TR3A. I had that car for 3 years, which also means 3 winters 
> and up here it isn't the brightest move to have an English side-curtain 
> car as your main means of transportation when its -20C outside. Man I 
> loved that car, however sanity prevailed with marriage and I sold it. Fast 
> forward 40 years to a 1980 Ford motorhome with an enclosed 40 ft. trailer 
> behind humping north along the I-29 from Kansas City MO with a treasure 
> inside. Upon arrival at the US-Canada border, the US customs officer got a 
> chuckle out of what was in the trailer and the description on the transfer 
> of title - "barn car" - a primrose yellow 1959 TR3A. So "Barnie" is home 
> and the adventure begins.
> The first piece of advice that I got from Fot was to buy Kas's books which 
> I did - man what a head start that has given me. As I move through 
> Barnie's reincarnation to a fast road car that can hold its own on the 
> track - remember once a racer always a racer - I hope that I will be able 
> to contribute to this group as much as I am getting out of it.
> Thanks.
> Barry.
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net
>
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From rblake36 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 10 21:13:38 2009
From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:13:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
In-Reply-To: <221B6AD861FD45A8AA09B49BD78220B6@Bud>
Message-ID: <560785.7884.qm@web58503.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Rich,
 
Great pictures and commentary, particularly the comment about Stuckers.  I
remember scrounging parts there on Saturday morning to get my Alpine running
well enough to get me to work the following week.
 
Bob Blake


--- On Thu, 10/8/09, RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:


From: RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
To: fot at autox.team.net, rikrock at aol.com
Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 1:17 PM


thanks Rich....wonderful stuff!..and the entry fees were 20 bucks
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- From: <rikrock at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3


> Sure to make the purists cringe!
>
>
>
> http://formula-ccm.tripod.com/old-car-pics.html
>
>
>
> Rich Rock
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
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You are subscribed as rblake36 at yahoo.com

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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sat Oct 10 21:33:04 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:33:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] A few more pictures from CRC added
References: <23DA9DFE13314AE8A48FB4B05F60C3CD@desktop>
Message-ID: <F3B2C4F4F35740CCB11504AC03C0FF86@desktop>

I just added a few more.  Enjoy.  http://uploadingit.com/f/JM5IWVBYMCWY2DYG

Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charly Mitchel" <charly at mitchelplumbing.com>
To: "Mark York" <m-syork at comcast.net>; "Jeff Quick" <quicktr4 at comcast.net>; 
<jcjcarrera at comcast.net>; "Steve Hare" <haretoday at comcast.net>; "Friends" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 1:57 PM
Subject: [Fot] A few more pictures from CRC added


> http://uploadingit.com/f/JM5IWVBYMCWY2DYG
>
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From rblake36 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 13:05:19 2009
From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:05:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Pictures from TWS Drivers School
Message-ID: <85926.7870.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Listed below are some links to folks who took pictures at TWS during the
SeptemberB  event and have graciously offered to shareB  theB fruits of their
labor.B  I got these links from Don Gwynne, #89 Ford Escort racer, with whom
these gentlemen orginally communicated their willingness to share.
B 
Bob Blake


B 
Message-----
From: Brian A. Hare [mailto:bahare at tamu.edu]
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 2:28 AM
To: dgwynne3 at tx.rr.com
Subject: CVAR @ TWS
B 
B 
Here are some of the pictures I edited down. Feel free to send the link out to
the racers. I have pictures of everyone out there, I believe.
Feel free to give people my e-mail if they want me to see if I have pictures
of them. I didn't post pictures of all the cars.
B 
http://picasaweb.google.com/brian.hare
B 
Thanks,
Brian A. Hare
bahare at tamu.edu
B 
------------------------------------
B 
Alsob&
B 
350 photos posted here:
http://netviper. smugmug.com/
B 
Photographer's name is Jorden Perrett, and like Brian Hare, above, he has
graciously given permission for CVAR racers to download their own photos from
his site.
B 
B 


From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Sun Oct 11 15:46:06 2009
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:46:06 EDT
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
Message-ID: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com>

Donna Mae passed away, age 81.  They had her sitting behind the wheel in 
her Corvette in the funeral home -- rather than in a casket.  We just got back 
from the viewing.  They had an automatic projector running, showing many of 
her racing scenes.</HTML>


From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Oct 11 17:32:49 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:32:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
In-Reply-To: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com>
References: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ADD19003783D4DE7ABBB3EEF66645725@joepentiumnew>

What a way to go out?  The only thing that could possibly be better would be
for her to be sitting behind the wheel of her Pink TR3!

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of WEmery7451 at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 2:46 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing

Donna Mae passed away, age 81.  They had her sitting behind the wheel in 
her Corvette in the funeral home -- rather than in a casket.  We just got
back 
from the viewing.  They had an automatic projector running, showing many of 
her racing scenes.</HTML>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Oct 11 18:06:31 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:06:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
In-Reply-To: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com>
References: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4AD27307.1020600@bradakis.com>

Odd, but appropriate.

mjb.


From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Sun Oct 11 18:23:17 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:23:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
In-Reply-To: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com>
References: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4AD276F5.8090708@141.com>

/BLEyqA: Permission denied


From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Oct 11 18:54:53 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:54:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
References: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com>
  <4AD27307.1020600@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <7B2C86D087BF4437A6082CB0CAC07EFA@Bud>

It must have surprised a few people to say the least!...>>>When I think back 
about all of the cars I've had, and try to decide which one I'd like to sit 
in when I'm dead..None of em' ring quite  the right tone.<<<<..Now as far as 
what car I'd like to be in while alive,.... I wonder if 3 people could fit 
into Danica's Indy Car...Me...Danica...and Sophia Loren..
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing


> Odd, but appropriate.
>
> mjb.
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Oct 11 19:12:14 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:12:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
References: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com> <4AD276F5.8090708@141.com>
Message-ID: <346338E953EB4098997A3CF04DFD38FE@Bud>

What's /BLEyqA?
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <WEmery7451 at aol.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing


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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Oct 11 19:47:35 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:47:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
In-Reply-To: <346338E953EB4098997A3CF04DFD38FE@Bud>
Message-ID: <20091012014736032.TCB16243@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com>

> What's /BLEyqA?

The sound the list server makes, when it spits out HTML or RTF posts.

Randall


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Sun Oct 11 21:07:35 2009
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:07:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: Gallery Invite to 'CVAR'
Message-ID: <004301ca4ae9$2607ef10$6401a8c0@blake1>

Don Couch, editor of the award winning HCTC news letter, took a bunch of
pictures out at TWS during the September Driver's school.  He asked me
to send the link out to the FOT.
 
Enjoy, Don takes some excellent pictures.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: don at dcphotos.com [mailto:don at dcphotos.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 8:03 AM
To: Greg & Alison Blake
Subject: Gallery Invite to 'CVAR'
 
 <http://www.dcphotos.com> DON COUCH PHOTOGRAPHY 
  _____  


You have received an invitation from Don Couch to view an image gallery.

Message from Don:
Hey, 
Finally got these uploaded! Enjoy, 
Don 

To view this gallery, please follow this link:
http://pa.photoshelter.com/c/dcphotos/invite/g/U0000ZNe7eMDm6h0/G0000Ojt
MNupiYVQ/


 
 
  _____  

 <http://www.dcphotos.com> http://www.dcphotos.com 


From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Oct 11 20:30:53 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:30:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
References: <20091012014736032.TCB16243@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8CC807D2B30244989A3175296AD5BAF8@Bud>

thanks..I guess I'm too old to understand...If I pull on the handbrake will 
it make it go sideways?
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randall" <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing


>> What's /BLEyqA?
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> The sound the list server makes, when it spits out HTML or RTF posts.
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Sun Oct 11 21:00:53 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:00:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Re:  DMM'S Viewing]
Message-ID: <4AD29BE5.3090102@141.com>

Thanks for the info--that's tough to hear, though. I am SO glad I got to 
meet her at VIR in 2004! She was SO full of life and fun. She even wore 
high-heeled pink sneakers to the press conference!

Here's a pic I had posted on theWeb page I put up for the event:
http://www.141.com/vir2004/Donna Mae 1.JPG           

Enjoy!

Susan      :)


WEmery7451 at aol.com wrote:
> Donna Mae passed away, age 81.  They had her sitting behind the wheel in 
> her Corvette in the funeral home -- rather than in a casket.  We just got back 
> from the viewing.  They had an automatic projector running, showing many of 
> her racing scenes.</HTML>
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Sun Oct 11 22:22:36 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:22:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Re:  DMM'S Viewing]
In-Reply-To: <4AD29BE5.3090102@141.com>
References: <4AD29BE5.3090102@141.com>
Message-ID: <57B86CA2-EE0C-435A-B0DF-F4172611EE57@bnj.com>

Looks like something is missing from the URL. I tried adding  
underscores, but it didn't help.
On Oct 11, 2009, at 8:00 PM, Susan Kahler wrote:

> Thanks for the info--that's tough to hear, though. I am SO glad I  
> got to meet her at VIR in 2004! She was SO full of life and fun. She  
> even wore high-heeled pink sneakers to the press conference!
>
> Here's a pic I had posted on theWeb page I put up for the event:
> http://www.141.com/vir2004/Donna Mae 1.JPG
> Enjoy!
>
> Susan      :)
>
>
> WEmery7451 at aol.com wrote:
>> Donna Mae passed away, age 81.  They had her sitting behind the  
>> wheel in her Corvette in the funeral home -- rather than in a  
>> casket.  We just got back from the viewing.  They had an automatic  
>> projector running, showing many of her racing scenes.</HTML>
>>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Oct 11 23:10:54 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:10:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
In-Reply-To: <57B86CA2-EE0C-435A-B0DF-F4172611EE57@bnj.com>
References: <4AD29BE5.3090102@141.com>
	<57B86CA2-EE0C-435A-B0DF-F4172611EE57@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <4AD2BA5E.3080204@bradakis.com>

> Looks like something is missing from the URL. I tried adding 
> underscores, but it didn't help.


Just go to http://www.141.com/vir2004 and go down the page a bit.


mjb.


From spyderweb at uwalumni.com  Sun Oct 11 23:25:04 2009
From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (Jim Hill)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:25:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Re: DMM'S Viewing]
In-Reply-To: <57B86CA2-EE0C-435A-B0DF-F4172611EE57@bnj.com>
References: <4AD29BE5.3090102@141.com>
	<57B86CA2-EE0C-435A-B0DF-F4172611EE57@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <3afbecf40910112225r31d7d649nd8e4a650806196a4@mail.gmail.com>

Of the Donna Mae Mims photo, Bill Babcock wrote:

> Looks like something is missing from the URL.
> I tried adding underscores, but it didn't help.


Try replacing the blank spaces with   %20
Works for me:

http://www.141.com/vir2004/Donna%20Mae%201.JPG


Jim Hill


From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Oct 11 23:33:09 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:33:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Re:  DMM'S Viewing]
In-Reply-To: <57B86CA2-EE0C-435A-B0DF-F4172611EE57@bnj.com>
References: <4AD29BE5.3090102@141.com>
	<57B86CA2-EE0C-435A-B0DF-F4172611EE57@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <C5BB97E36CE749ED8F3BB4125FB0AD2B@joepentiumnew>

Just clip everything after the vir2004/ and it will come up.
http://www.141.com/vir2004/
Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 9:23 PM
To: Susan Kahler
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] [Fwd: Re: DMM'S Viewing]

Looks like something is missing from the URL. I tried adding  
underscores, but it didn't help.
On Oct 11, 2009, at 8:00 PM, Susan Kahler wrote:

> Thanks for the info--that's tough to hear, though. I am SO glad I  
> got to meet her at VIR in 2004! She was SO full of life and fun. She  
> even wore high-heeled pink sneakers to the press conference!
>
> Here's a pic I had posted on theWeb page I put up for the event:
> http://www.141.com/vir2004/Donna Mae 1.JPG
> Enjoy!
>
> Susan      :)
>
>
> WEmery7451 at aol.com wrote:
>> Donna Mae passed away, age 81.  They had her sitting behind the  
>> wheel in her Corvette in the funeral home -- rather than in a  
>> casket.  We just got back from the viewing.  They had an automatic  
>> projector running, showing many of her racing scenes.</HTML>
>>
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From bentleyblvd at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 12 15:02:42 2009
From: bentleyblvd at yahoo.com (John Hornbostel)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:02:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
Message-ID: <646662.22567.qm@web58204.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Dear Amici,

   With NFI...

   Received below note from a fellow Vitesse owner, offering up for sale a
surplus transmission. He asked if any FOT members might have an interest, to
please contact him via below e-mail address. Believe the item is located in or
near Tulsa, OK.

John


Chad <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>

> I have a surplus Sports 6 / Vitesse transmission I would
> like to sell.  These are special transmissions as they
> have the ratios in them from the factory that make them
> "close ratio".  It is from a 54K original mile car.  I can send pictures
> of the internals to interested parties.
>
> Asking $300.  I can ship cheaply via FedEx ground anywhere
> in the 48 contiguous state via FedEx ground.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chad in Tulsa


From Herald948 at aol.com  Mon Oct 12 16:09:03 2009
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:09:03 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
Message-ID: <bf1.60de2199.380502ff@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/12/2009 5:22:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
bentleyblvd at yahoo.com writes:

Received below note from a  fellow Vitesse owner, offering up for sale a
surplus  transmission.


Chad  <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>

> I have a surplus Sports 6 / Vitesse  transmission I would
> like to sell.  These are special  transmissions as they
> have the ratios in them from the factory that  make them
> "close ratio".  It is from a 54K original mile  car.  I can send pictures
> of the internals to interested  parties.
 
==AM==
 
FYI for anyone who might be interested:
 
"normal" early Spitfire ratios:  1.0 , 1.4 , 2.16 , 3.75 
"normal" early Vitesse/Sports 6 ratios: 1.0 , 1.25 , 1.78 , 2.93  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph 
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 


From billb at bnj.com  Mon Oct 12 17:35:47 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:35:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
In-Reply-To: <646662.22567.qm@web58204.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <646662.22567.qm@web58204.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BEF74E8C-DC39-4C44-B45E-ADC14766111D@bnj.com>

That's a really great deal. If I wasn't in the process of moving stuff  
I'd go for it.
On Oct 12, 2009, at 2:02 PM, John Hornbostel wrote:

> Dear Amici,
>
>   With NFI...
>
>   Received below note from a fellow Vitesse owner, offering up for  
> sale a
> surplus transmission. He asked if any FOT members might have an  
> interest, to
> please contact him via below e-mail address. Believe the item is  
> located in or
> near Tulsa, OK.
>
> John
>
>
> Chad <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>
>
>> I have a surplus Sports 6 / Vitesse transmission I would
>> like to sell.  These are special transmissions as they
>> have the ratios in them from the factory that make them
>> "close ratio".  It is from a 54K original mile car.  I can send  
>> pictures
>> of the internals to interested parties.
>>
>> Asking $300.  I can ship cheaply via FedEx ground anywhere
>> in the 48 contiguous state via FedEx ground.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Chad in Tulsa
>
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Mon Oct 12 18:24:22 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:24:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
In-Reply-To: <bf1.60de2199.380502ff@aol.com>
References: <bf1.60de2199.380502ff@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4030EF8B-8962-4E27-81C9-1D03A645A1E5@comcast.net>

would this work in a GT 6?

On Oct 12, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Herald948 at aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 10/12/2009 5:22:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bentleyblvd at yahoo.com writes:

Received below note from a  fellow Vitesse owner, offering up for sale a
surplus  transmission.


Chad  <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>

> I have a surplus Sports 6 / Vitesse  transmission I would
> like to sell.  These are special  transmissions as they
> have the ratios in them from the factory that  make them
> "close ratio".  It is from a 54K original mile  car.  I can send  
> pictures
> of the internals to interested  parties.

==AM==

FYI for anyone who might be interested:

"normal" early Spitfire ratios:  1.0 , 1.4 , 2.16 , 3.75
"normal" early Vitesse/Sports 6 ratios: 1.0 , 1.25 , 1.78 , 2.93

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er,  
Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/)

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/)
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Oct 12 19:39:14 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:39:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
In-Reply-To: <4030EF8B-8962-4E27-81C9-1D03A645A1E5@comcast.net>
References: <bf1.60de2199.380502ff@aol.com>
	<4030EF8B-8962-4E27-81C9-1D03A645A1E5@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1447C24948A3464CA9CCF0DFF8E41F20@joepentiumnew>

I am pretty sure that if it is from the Vitesse 2 liter, that it is
interchangeable with the GT6 gearbox.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 5:24 PM
To: Herald948 at aol.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission

would this work in a GT 6?

On Oct 12, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Herald948 at aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 10/12/2009 5:22:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bentleyblvd at yahoo.com writes:

Received below note from a  fellow Vitesse owner, offering up for sale a
surplus  transmission.


Chad  <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>

> I have a surplus Sports 6 / Vitesse  transmission I would
> like to sell.  These are special  transmissions as they
> have the ratios in them from the factory that  make them
> "close ratio".  It is from a 54K original mile  car.  I can send  
> pictures
> of the internals to interested  parties.

==AM==

FYI for anyone who might be interested:

"normal" early Spitfire ratios:  1.0 , 1.4 , 2.16 , 3.75
"normal" early Vitesse/Sports 6 ratios: 1.0 , 1.25 , 1.78 , 2.93

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er,  
Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

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From alan at nosbritishparts.com  Mon Oct 12 20:09:49 2009
From: alan at nosbritishparts.com (Alan ...)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:09:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
In-Reply-To: <bf1.60de2199.380502ff@aol.com>
Message-ID: <420790.41274.qm@web1109.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>

I checked my factory parts manuals and the constant pinion shaft and gear
cluster part #'s are the same for the 2 litre Vitesse and early GT6. I think
the 1.6 litre car would be a wider ratio and non-syncro 1st.
 
FWIW,the
GT6/TR7 gearbox is a closer ratio than the Midget 1500 which is closer ratio
than the Spitfire. I think this is correct though I have not built any of
these in about 15 years.

Anyway,it is something to double-check.

Alan T

> I
have a surplus Sports 6 / Vitesse  transmission
> I would
> > like to sell. 
These are special 
> transmissions as they
> > have the ratios in them from
the factory that 
> make them
> > "close ratio".  It is from a 54K original
>
mile  car.  I can send pictures
> > of the internals to interested  parties.
>
> ==AM==
>  
> FYI for anyone who might be interested:
>  
> "normal" early
Spitfire ratios:  1.0 , 1.4 , 2.16 ,
> 3.75 
> "normal" early Vitesse/Sports 6
ratios: 1.0 , 1.25 , 1.78 ,
> 2.93  


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 12 20:26:11 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:26:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
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Sold!
On Oct 12, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Joe Curry wrote:

> I am pretty sure that if it is from the Vitesse 2 liter, that it is
> interchangeable with the GT6 gearbox.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- 
> bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Scott Janzen
> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 5:24 PM
> To: Herald948 at aol.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
>
> would this work in a GT 6?
>
> On Oct 12, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Herald948 at aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/12/2009 5:22:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> bentleyblvd at yahoo.com writes:
>
> Received below note from a  fellow Vitesse owner, offering up for  
> sale a
> surplus  transmission.
>
>
> Chad  <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>
>
>> I have a surplus Sports 6 / Vitesse  transmission I would
>> like to sell.  These are special  transmissions as they
>> have the ratios in them from the factory that  make them
>> "close ratio".  It is from a 54K original mile  car.  I can send
>> pictures
>> of the internals to interested  parties.
>
> ==AM==
>
> FYI for anyone who might be interested:
>
> "normal" early Spitfire ratios:  1.0 , 1.4 , 2.16 , 3.75
> "normal" early Vitesse/Sports 6 ratios: 1.0 , 1.25 , 1.78 , 2.93
>
> --Andy  Mace
>
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er,
> Triumph
> Herald engine with wings.
> --  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)
>
> Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage  
> Triumph
> Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/)
>
> Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph
> Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph- 
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From Herald948 at aol.com  Mon Oct 12 20:42:52 2009
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:42:52 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
Message-ID: <cf6.61f1c4c4.3805432c@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/12/2009 10:10:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
alan at nosbritishparts.com writes:

I checked my factory parts  manuals and the constant pinion shaft and gear 
cluster part #'s are the same  for the 2 litre Vitesse and early GT6. I 
think the 1.6 litre car would be a  wider ratio and non-syncro 1st.
==AM==
Right, Alan! The 2L (all-synchro) Vitesse/GT6 gearbox has a 2.65:1 1st  
gear, compared to 2.93:1 on the older, non-synchro-first Vitesse 1600/Sports 6  
box. Other forward ratios are the same And, of course, boxes can't be  
swapped directly between Spitfire and GT6, since the input shaft is a larger  
diameter on the GT6 (amongst other detail differences).  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

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Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 


From Herald948 at aol.com  Mon Oct 12 20:44:23 2009
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:44:23 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
Message-ID: <d50.5a8133de.38054387@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/12/2009 8:24:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
s.janzen at comcast.net writes:

would  this work in a GT 6? 
 
==AM==
Yes, but as mentioned earlier, the Sports 6 gearbox is a non-synchro first, 
 and that first gear is a lower gear than that of the GT6.  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph 
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Oct 13 03:52:18 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:52:18 +0200
Subject: [Fot] A quick lap on the Nurburgring GP track - Qualy Session 2
In-Reply-To: <d50.5a8133de.38054387@aol.com>
References: <d50.5a8133de.38054387@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004901ca4bea$dcdd46c0$9697d440$@com>

Have fun with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udId4mPFj3M

Cheers
Chris


From list at mackenzie.aero  Tue Oct 13 12:44:31 2009
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:44:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] WTB: Spitfire Wheels
Message-ID: <000301ca4c35$3401a0a0$9c04e1e0$@aero>

I am looking to buy two 13X6 Minilite style wheels for my Spitfire.

 

I will buy a set of 4 if you have them, in fact I will look at any 13X6
alloy wheel for the Spitfire.

 

Time to clean out your garage and fill mine up.

 

 

Robert MacKenzie

Austin Texas

 robert at mackenzie.aero


From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Fri Oct 16 18:09:03 2009
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:09:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] nolbc
Message-ID: <8A53A35A304249979B531309A32AD5B8@INSPIRON>

P.L.N. is narrating the documentary "Dale" 8:00 pm est. on Speed Chl.


From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Tue Oct 13 22:18:28 2009
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:18:28 +1100
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAEEsfDCKT8JBvCEM6gpYxDwBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>

Dear List'rs,

 

Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection system,
race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to use?

BOSH? Etc.

 

What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?

 

 

Thanks

 

Kind Regards

Peter Vucinic

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From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Oct 13 22:59:31 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:59:31 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
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Message-ID: <04BD13F5B63D4252911390B0A2D8EE8E@joepentiumnew>

I am running an AutoZone Universal in-Line fuel pump that is set for 50 psi
on both my Spits (one with the Honda Engine and the other with the EFI
1296).

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Peter Vucinic
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:18 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump

Dear List'rs,

 

Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection system,
race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to use?

BOSH? Etc.

 

What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?

 

 

Thanks

 

Kind Regards

Peter Vucinic

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From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Wed Oct 14 01:16:55 2009
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:16:55 +1100
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
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Message-ID: <FFCA84BA74B44DF1AEC1D542F63BC841@GEOFFPC>

Peter
Why change the Lucas unit . The 3 TR6 racing in NSW(Rutledge,Dains, Byrne) 
all use the original unit with no problems . We run Facit push pumps on the 
tank outlets to overcome fuel surge
Geoff
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Vucinic" <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 3:18 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump


> Dear List'rs,
>
>
>
> Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection 
> system,
> race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to 
> use?
>
> BOSH? Etc.
>
>
>
> What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Wed Oct 14 07:44:57 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:44:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
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I don't have fuel injection on a TR6 race car but I do have a TR5 with Lucas
fuel injection.  I recently installed the Bosch pump and filter kit, which I
got from Malcolm Jones at Prestige Injection in the UK, on the car.  I also
modified the fuel tank for outlets on both sides and separate return ports
on the top.  The kit included a new outlet fitting to replace the original
to allow for adequate fuel flow into the pump.  In addition I rewired the
pump adding a fused fuel pump relay and heavier wiring.  The original pump
drew about 5.6 amps and had a voltage drop of 2.8 volts to the pump.  The
new pump draws 9.5 amps with only a 0.75 volt drop at the pump with the
rewiring.  If you need the numbers of the pump and filter I'm sure I have
them somewhere or can get them for you.  The TR6 fuel tank was modified on
the PI cars to overcome some of the problems with the TR5 tank but I don't
know if that tank was used in the carbureted TR6 cars.

I'm currently running 103 PSI at the metering unit but will be increasing
that to about 110 as I am having some intermittent problems and also am not
sure of the accuracy of my fuel pressure gauge.  The 103 could be marginal
and may even be lower if my gauge reads 2% or 3% high, which is typical
standard gauge accuracy.

Tim Murphy

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Peter Vucinic
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:18 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump

Dear List'rs,

 

Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection system,
race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to use?

BOSH? Etc.

 

What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?

 

 

Thanks

 

Kind Regards

Peter Vucinic

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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Oct 14 08:26:13 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:26:13 EDT
Subject: [Fot] KVS-175 VELOCITY STACKS & FINE WIRE MESH FILTERS
Message-ID: <d51.594286bc.38073985@cs.com>

FOT:

Disregard if you do not have these velocity stacks.

I just received a new production run of custom filters for the Kastner 
designed velocity stacks. I have six pair.

I have had inquiries but no product, until yesterday. Bill Hirsch has 
experienced extraordinary success and acceptance with these filters in all 
applications. I feel fortunate that he took on this low volume for the KVS-175.

Additionally, I asked Bill Hirsch to revise the molds for a more secure 
fit.  I am satisfied that he did this after some trial fitting. You may need a 
small amount of 'personal' lubricant to install and this is included.

NOTE: If you had any issues with the first production run filters popping 
off, send back to me and you will receive another pair.  and some personal 
lubricant.

Thanks.........Joe Alexander


From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 08:44:58 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:44:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
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I use a Bosch Fuel Pump  0580254044.  Bought it from:

http://www.allworldautomotive.com/auto_parts_for_sale_bosch_performance_fuel_
pump_ots10832.html

Their price is $200 which no on else touches.  I also put in a Waldron
pressure regulator [expensive and overkill, but this is a race car].
You need a good pressure gauge, preferably liquid filled.  I got the
fittings for the ends of the fuel pump from Mesa Supply.

I posted pictures of my set up at:
http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/NewTR6RaceCarFeb08#

Look for the ones in the third row.

Chuck

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Peter Vucinic <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
wrote:
> Dear List'rs,
>
>
>
> Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection system,
> race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to use?
>
> BOSH? Etc.
>
>
>
> What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Wed Oct 14 09:14:41 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:14:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
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Message-ID: <40CC1973D7054F6198C015D3F1C46C63@Charly>

I'm in agreement with Geoff on the Lucas pump.  I've run it for several 
years and only had on problem with it, about 3 weeks ago.  For some reason 
it was dragging a little and only pumped to about 60psi.  I rapped on it and 
it seemed to get going with no problem after that.
I also use a secondary pump to remove the fuel from the tank, push it 
through a large filter and then to the Lucas pump.  The secondary pump is a 
after market copy of a SU double ender.
I had problems with my injection starving on hard cornering.  I use both the 
outlets on the TR6 fuel tank and had them both piped to the secondary pump,. 
The problem was that if I got down to about 3 gallons of fuel the fuel would 
slosh to one side and leave the other side outlet exposed and the secondary 
pump would then suck air and make the PI falter.  I found that if I carried 
7 or 8 gals fuel it wasn't a problem.  To resolve this issue I installed a 
swirl tank in the trunk that holds about 1 liter, and is mounted below the 
main fuel tank.  I can now run a 15 minute race with about 3 gallons of fuel 
instead of 8 gallons.
I had tried a Bosch 058025044, which seems to be the pump everyone is 
recommending, and I didn't think it performed as well as the Lucas pump.  It 
seemed to move to much fuel and it drew a lot of amperage, almost 10 amps. 
I went back to the Lucas and have been happy.  The Bosch pump is a 
submersible pump and might be able to be adapted to fit inside a fuel tank 
or cell.
When my car has been sitting outside, like at a race track and I start it in 
the morning, it pumps around 118 psi.  I think this pressure is due to the 
coolness of the fuel.  After the car has warmed up and the fuel also from 
tank, it seems to settle down to about 106 psi. This pressure is measured at 
the high pressure hose as it attaches to the prv.  I'm not sure how much 
pressure drop there is to the mu and have never checked it there.  I use a 
plastic tubing for fuel injection that I bought from my local hydraulic hose 
supplier. The only other problem I've experienced has been a stuck and a 
clogged injector and it was easily cleared using some air pressure.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Vucinic" <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:18 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump


> Dear List'rs,
>
>
>
> Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection 
> system,
> race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to 
> use?
>
> BOSH? Etc.
>
>
>
> What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
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From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Oct 14 10:01:56 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:01:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] KVS-175 VELOCITY STACKS & FINE WIRE MESH FILTERS
In-Reply-To: <d51.594286bc.38073985@cs.com>
References: <d51.594286bc.38073985@cs.com>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330910140901n545d2670ye7f6aa52f71aa7c@mail.gmail.com>

On that note, if anyone has a set of stacks that will fit the TR6 SU's let
me know offline.

Thanks to a mouse that packed some bedding into the airbox, I set my air
filter on fire the other day when moving the TR6 out of the garage after a
long rest and have decided it's time for an update.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:26 AM, <N197TR4 at cs.com> wrote:

> FOT:
>
> Disregard if you do not have these velocity stacks.
>
> I just received a new production run of custom filters for the Kastner
> designed velocity stacks. I have six pair.
>
> I have had inquiries but no product, until yesterday. Bill Hirsch has
> experienced extraordinary success and acceptance with these filters in all
> applications. I feel fortunate that he took on this low volume for the
> KVS-175.
>
> Additionally, I asked Bill Hirsch to revise the molds for a more secure
> fit.  I am satisfied that he did this after some trial fitting. You may
> need a
> small amount of 'personal' lubricant to install and this is included.
>
> NOTE: If you had any issues with the first production run filters popping
> off, send back to me and you will receive another pair.  and some personal
> lubricant.
>
> Thanks.........Joe Alexander
>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Oct 14 10:04:46 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:04:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAEEsfDCKT8JBvCEM6gpYxDwBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
	<001701ca4cd4$85365a70$8fa30f50$@com>
Message-ID: <90D8772C994946CFBF45577373846525@Bud>

I'm curious you guys....What kind of horsepower does a racing TR6 put out 
with the fuel injection/versus carbs?
I'll take my answer on the air!
Racer Bud...Spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: "'Peter Vucinic'" <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "'FOT'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump


>I don't have fuel injection on a TR6 race car but I do have a TR5 with 
>Lucas
> fuel injection.  I recently installed the Bosch pump and filter kit, which 
> I
> got from Malcolm Jones at Prestige Injection in the UK, on the car.  I 
> also
> modified the fuel tank for outlets on both sides and separate return ports
> on the top.  The kit included a new outlet fitting to replace the original
> to allow for adequate fuel flow into the pump.  In addition I rewired the
> pump adding a fused fuel pump relay and heavier wiring.  The original pump
> drew about 5.6 amps and had a voltage drop of 2.8 volts to the pump.  The
> new pump draws 9.5 amps with only a 0.75 volt drop at the pump with the
> rewiring.  If you need the numbers of the pump and filter I'm sure I have
> them somewhere or can get them for you.  The TR6 fuel tank was modified on
> the PI cars to overcome some of the problems with the TR5 tank but I don't
> know if that tank was used in the carbureted TR6 cars.
>
> I'm currently running 103 PSI at the metering unit but will be increasing
> that to about 110 as I am having some intermittent problems and also am 
> not
> sure of the accuracy of my fuel pressure gauge.  The 103 could be marginal
> and may even be lower if my gauge reads 2% or 3% high, which is typical
> standard gauge accuracy.
>
> Tim Murphy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Peter Vucinic
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:18 PM
> To: FOT
> Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
>
> Dear List'rs,
>
>
>
> Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection 
> system,
> race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to 
> use?
>
> BOSH? Etc.
>
>
>
> What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
> TR-4
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Wed Oct 14 10:18:21 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:18:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
In-Reply-To: <90D8772C994946CFBF45577373846525@Bud>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAEEsfDCKT8JBvCEM6gpYxDwBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
	<001701ca4cd4$85365a70$8fa30f50$@com>
	<90D8772C994946CFBF45577373846525@Bud>
Message-ID: <001301ca4ce9$f3453350$d9cf99f0$@com>

The claimed horsepower for the TR5 with fuel injection was 150, whereas the
TR250 2.5 liter 6 cylinder with carbs was 104 or 105, same as the 4
cylinder.

Tim Murphy

-----Original Message-----
From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:05 AM
To: Tim Murphy; 'Peter Vucinic'; 'FOT'
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump

I'm curious you guys....What kind of horsepower does a racing TR6 put out 
with the fuel injection/versus carbs?
I'll take my answer on the air!
Racer Bud...Spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: "'Peter Vucinic'" <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "'FOT'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump


>I don't have fuel injection on a TR6 race car but I do have a TR5 with 
>Lucas
> fuel injection.  I recently installed the Bosch pump and filter kit, which

> I
> got from Malcolm Jones at Prestige Injection in the UK, on the car.  I 
> also
> modified the fuel tank for outlets on both sides and separate return ports
> on the top.  The kit included a new outlet fitting to replace the original
> to allow for adequate fuel flow into the pump.  In addition I rewired the
> pump adding a fused fuel pump relay and heavier wiring.  The original pump
> drew about 5.6 amps and had a voltage drop of 2.8 volts to the pump.  The
> new pump draws 9.5 amps with only a 0.75 volt drop at the pump with the
> rewiring.  If you need the numbers of the pump and filter I'm sure I have
> them somewhere or can get them for you.  The TR6 fuel tank was modified on
> the PI cars to overcome some of the problems with the TR5 tank but I don't
> know if that tank was used in the carbureted TR6 cars.
>
> I'm currently running 103 PSI at the metering unit but will be increasing
> that to about 110 as I am having some intermittent problems and also am 
> not
> sure of the accuracy of my fuel pressure gauge.  The 103 could be marginal
> and may even be lower if my gauge reads 2% or 3% high, which is typical
> standard gauge accuracy.
>
> Tim Murphy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Peter Vucinic
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:18 PM
> To: FOT
> Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
>
> Dear List'rs,
>
>
>
> Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection 
> system,
> race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to 
> use?
>
> BOSH? Etc.
>
>
>
> What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
> TR-4
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From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Oct 14 10:21:05 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:21:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAEEsfDCKT8JBvCEM6gpYxDwBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
	<001701ca4cd4$85365a70$8fa30f50$@com>
	<90D8772C994946CFBF45577373846525@Bud>
	<001301ca4ce9$f3453350$d9cf99f0$@com>
Message-ID: <6E3B2C03BE8E4FB89F612ED6EC3D39F4@Bud>

Thanks tim..I'm curious about the HP on a Race prepared car?
thanks.
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: "'RACER BUD'" <budscars at comcast.net>; "'Peter Vucinic'" 
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:18 AM
Subject: RE: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump


> The claimed horsepower for the TR5 with fuel injection was 150, whereas 
> the
> TR250 2.5 liter 6 cylinder with carbs was 104 or 105, same as the 4
> cylinder.
>
> Tim Murphy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:05 AM
> To: Tim Murphy; 'Peter Vucinic'; 'FOT'
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
>
> I'm curious you guys....What kind of horsepower does a racing TR6 put out
> with the fuel injection/versus carbs?
> I'll take my answer on the air!
> Racer Bud...Spitfire #21
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
> To: "'Peter Vucinic'" <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "'FOT'"
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
>
>
>>I don't have fuel injection on a TR6 race car but I do have a TR5 with
>>Lucas
>> fuel injection.  I recently installed the Bosch pump and filter kit, 
>> which
>
>> I
>> got from Malcolm Jones at Prestige Injection in the UK, on the car.  I
>> also
>> modified the fuel tank for outlets on both sides and separate return 
>> ports
>> on the top.  The kit included a new outlet fitting to replace the 
>> original
>> to allow for adequate fuel flow into the pump.  In addition I rewired the
>> pump adding a fused fuel pump relay and heavier wiring.  The original 
>> pump
>> drew about 5.6 amps and had a voltage drop of 2.8 volts to the pump.  The
>> new pump draws 9.5 amps with only a 0.75 volt drop at the pump with the
>> rewiring.  If you need the numbers of the pump and filter I'm sure I have
>> them somewhere or can get them for you.  The TR6 fuel tank was modified 
>> on
>> the PI cars to overcome some of the problems with the TR5 tank but I 
>> don't
>> know if that tank was used in the carbureted TR6 cars.
>>
>> I'm currently running 103 PSI at the metering unit but will be increasing
>> that to about 110 as I am having some intermittent problems and also am
>> not
>> sure of the accuracy of my fuel pressure gauge.  The 103 could be 
>> marginal
>> and may even be lower if my gauge reads 2% or 3% high, which is typical
>> standard gauge accuracy.
>>
>> Tim Murphy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Peter Vucinic
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:18 PM
>> To: FOT
>> Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
>>
>> Dear List'rs,
>>
>>
>>
>> Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection
>> system,
>> race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to
>> use?
>>
>> BOSH? Etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards
>>
>> Peter Vucinic
>>
>> TR-4
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>>
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From oldspeed72 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 14 10:50:23 2009
From: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com (Mark Vanlake)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:50:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems
Message-ID: <542698.84332.qm@web111006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Just wondering what innovative systems the TR6 racers have developed to
introduce cold air to their (Weber setup in my case) carbs. I have been told
by CVAR that I could not use a headlight opening as an intake and it must be
covered. Also, Is there anyone that has found a way to use louvers or a cowl
type system. I use triple Weber's with the velocity stack filters and with the
fenders in place the first carb has about 2 inches of breathing room. Would
love to see any pictures of your setup. Mark


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Oct 14 11:19:23 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:19:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
In-Reply-To: <001301ca4ce9$f3453350$d9cf99f0$@com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAEEsfDCKT8JBvCEM6gpYxDwBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
	<001701ca4cd4$85365a70$8fa30f50$@com>
	<90D8772C994946CFBF45577373846525@Bud>
	<001301ca4ce9$f3453350$d9cf99f0$@com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0910141313520.10496@isis.mit.edu>

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Tim Murphy wrote:

> The claimed horsepower for the TR5 with fuel injection was 150, whereas the
> TR250 2.5 liter 6 cylinder with carbs was 104 or 105, same as the 4
> cylinder.

... except the TR6 is 8.5:1 with a wimpy cam and the TR5 is 9.5:1 with a 
pretty kool (35/65-65/35 timing or 280 degrees of duration vs 256 degrees 
for the fed. spec cam).

Just the PI cam is probably 15 HP, especially when you start moving the 
static compression up above 9:1.

Here's a fun chart:

http://web.archive.org/web/20021204091351/kvaleberg.com/t_tune.html

scroll down to the cam section.

> Tim Murphy

regards,
rml
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From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Oct 14 11:48:07 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:48:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems
References: <542698.84332.qm@web111006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <95D23244BF864F2F81B2A66AE8305D18@Bud>

sneaky stuff but it helped in the old days with TR4s...Try lifting the 
hood(bonnet) up a bit by fiddling with the hinges
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Vanlake" <oldspeed72 at yahoo.com>
To: <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:50 AM
Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems


> Just wondering what innovative systems the TR6 racers have developed to
> introduce cold air to their (Weber setup in my case) carbs. I have been 
> told
> by CVAR that I could not use a headlight opening as an intake and it must 
> be
> covered. Also, Is there anyone that has found a way to use louvers or a 
> cowl
> type system. I use triple Weber's with the velocity stack filters and with 
> the
> fenders in place the first carb has about 2 inches of breathing room. 
> Would
> love to see any pictures of your setup. Mark
>
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Wed Oct 14 11:51:36 2009
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:51:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems
In-Reply-To: <542698.84332.qm@web111006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <542698.84332.qm@web111006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W12BF44801DD7DD76C15E30B2C60@phx.gbl>

Put the headlite cover on a hinge ! closed at tech and slow speed and open
when needed ;)

> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:50:23 -0700
> From: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com
> To: Fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems
>
> Just wondering what innovative systems the TR6 racers have developed to
> introduce cold air to their (Weber setup in my case) carbs. I have been
told
> by CVAR that I could not use a headlight opening as an intake and it must
be
> covered. Also, Is there anyone that has found a way to use louvers or a
cowl
> type system. I use triple Weber's with the velocity stack filters and with
the
> fenders in place the first carb has about 2 inches of breathing room. Would
> love to see any pictures of your setup. Mark
>
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>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Oct 14 13:03:03 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:03:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems
References: <542698.84332.qm@web111006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<BLU136-W12BF44801DD7DD76C15E30B2C60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <B31754618C984E5EA3BDE50E5C904320@Bud>

Tony..that is really cool!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony and Annie Garmey" <horizonracing at msn.com>
To: <oldspeed72 at yahoo.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Air systems


> Put the headlite cover on a hinge ! closed at tech and slow speed and open
> when needed ;)
>
>> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:50:23 -0700
>> From: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com
>> To: Fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems
>>
>> Just wondering what innovative systems the TR6 racers have developed to
>> introduce cold air to their (Weber setup in my case) carbs. I have been
> told
>> by CVAR that I could not use a headlight opening as an intake and it must
> be
>> covered. Also, Is there anyone that has found a way to use louvers or a
> cowl
>> type system. I use triple Weber's with the velocity stack filters and 
>> with
> the
>> fenders in place the first carb has about 2 inches of breathing room. 
>> Would
>> love to see any pictures of your setup. Mark
>>
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>>
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Wed Oct 14 13:37:32 2009
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:37:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] New venue at Watkins Glen
Message-ID: <000301ca4d05$c63f1a80$52bd4f80$@rr.com>

Bobby Rahal has started a new vintage racing sanctioning body. Watkins Glen
in June of 2010. Replaces HSR Historic event. Other events to be announced.
I suspect Mid Ohio will be one of them. More info at below site.

 

 

 

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20091013/LOCAL10/910130337/1001/
BUSINESS/WGI-AND-HISTORIC-MOTORSPORTS-PRODUCTIONS-ANNOUNCE-INAUGURAL-VINTAGE
-RACING


From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 14 14:39:01 2009
From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (CHIP COLLINGWOOD)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:39:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Shipping
Message-ID: <380-220091031420391796@earthlink.net>

Hey anybody on the list have any recommendations for shipping a non-running vehicle from California to the east coast or close to Virginia...thanks guys


Chip Collingwood
69 TR6 Eprod
71 2dr 510 Vintage 


From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Oct 14 15:06:45 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:06:45 EDT
Subject: [Fot] New venue at Watkins Glen
Message-ID: <cf1.60d0d65a.38079765@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/14/2009 3:14:08 PM Central Daylight Time, 
Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com writes:


> <<< Bobby Rahal has started a new vintage racing sanctioning body. 
> Watkins Glen in June of 2010. Replaces HSR Historic event. Other events to be 
> announced.
> I suspect Mid Ohio will be one of them. More info at below site. >>>
> 

Amici...

While the number of road racers in general, and vintage road racers in 
particular continues to dwindle, one has to look with a jaundiced eye at yet 
another sanctioning body throwing their hat into the ring.  Having said that, 
I've always been a big fan of Bobby Rahal, and have raced at the same vintage 
events with him on several occasions.  He's impressed me as a Class Act.  I 
recall him standing in line...just like everybody else at registration, 
driver's meetings, etc.  In the 1980s his dad used to race at VSCDA events, 
especially Grattan.  Interesting if this announcement 'bumps' HSR from having a 
Watkins Glen Event, and I too can't help but wonder if Mid-Ohio will be a 
subsequent announcement, as Bobby Rahal has always been very close to the 
Mid-Ohio connections.      

Bill Dentinger


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Wed Oct 14 15:11:59 2009
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:11:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] New venue at Watkins Glen
In-Reply-To: <000301ca4d05$c63f1a80$52bd4f80$@rr.com>
References: <000301ca4d05$c63f1a80$52bd4f80$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca4d12$f886bbd0$e9943370$@racer@comcast.net>

Rahal was at the Monterey Historics and supposedly held a meeting with track
officials about this series (five races?) which is to be for bigger cars
(TransAm, CanAm, IMSA, etc), for points and a trophies. Trying to bring back
the late 1960's and early 1970's.  Look for Laguna Seca to be on his
schedule.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Spitfire Racing
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:38 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] New venue at Watkins Glen

Bobby Rahal has started a new vintage racing sanctioning body. Watkins Glen
in June of 2010. Replaces HSR Historic event. Other events to be announced.
I suspect Mid Ohio will be one of them. More info at below site.

 

 

 

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20091013/LOCAL10/910130337/1001/
BUSINESS/WGI-AND-HISTORIC-MOTORSPORTS-PRODUCTIONS-ANNOUNCE-INAUGURAL-VINTAGE
-RACING
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Wed Oct 14 15:19:56 2009
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:19:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems
In-Reply-To: <542698.84332.qm@web111006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <60627.35693.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Mark: I was told by CVAR that we could not space the backside of the
hood/bonnet up, nor louver the bonnet without being moved to the sport racer
group. On Randy William's TR3 I louvered the inner fender panels, not for
fresh air but to move the air out and avoid a high pressure under the hood
which could cause overheating. What my son is currently working on for his
triple Weber 240Z is a cold air box. We got a fiberglass one from TWM
Induction, and you must drill it to suit your carb set-up. I'd bet that the
spacing is the same between the Z motor and the TR6. Also check with Richard
Good to see about buying an undrilled aluminum one from his triple Stromberg
set-up and drill to suit. Run the air hose to in front of the radiator and add
the filter of your choice.
-Ed Barnard-

--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Mark Vanlake <oldspeed72 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Mark Vanlake <oldspeed72 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 11:50 AM


Just wondering what innovative systems the TR6 racers have developed to
introduce cold air to their (Weber setup in my case) carbs. I have been told
by CVAR that I could not use a headlight opening as an intake and it must be
covered. Also, Is there anyone that has found a way to use louvers or a cowl
type system. I use triple Weber's with the velocity stack filters and with
the
fenders in place the first carb has about 2 inches of breathing room. Would
love to see any pictures of your setup. Mark
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From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 14 17:11:19 2009
From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (CHIP COLLINGWOOD)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:11:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Shipping
Message-ID: <380-2200910314231119437@earthlink.net>

Greg,

thanks...the car is located in Redwood City (the bay area) ...sorry should
have put that out there..thanks Chip


> [Original Message]
> From: Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
> To: <tr6racer21 at earthlink.net>
> Date: 10/14/2009 6:23:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Shipping
>
> Hi Chip,
> I could get a car picked up in L.A. this weekend to Albuquerque. Joe  
> Alexander might be able to help from here east.
> Greg Hilyer
> On Oct 14, 2009, at 2:39 PM, CHIP COLLINGWOOD wrote:
>
> > Hey anybody on the list have any recommendations for shipping a non- 
> > running vehicle from California to the east coast or close to  
> > Virginia...thanks guys
> >
> >
> > Chip Collingwood
> > 69 TR6 Eprod
> > 71 2dr 510 Vintage
> >
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Oct 14 18:41:48 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:41:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Thanks, Barry
Message-ID: <4AD66FCC.50000@bradakis.com>

Got a nice little package in today's mail, a silver Hot Wheels
racing TR6.  It was sent to me by Barry Munson, who joined
us this past spring.

Sure, there's a web link at the end of this message that takes
you to a page with some information on making a cash
donation to support this list, as well as the other Team.Net
services.  While money is always nice, trinkets of little or
no value like this 'hood emblem' for the FOT server are
priceless.

Thanks again, Barry!

mjb.


From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Wed Oct 14 22:30:43 2009
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:30:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Early TR2 Rear Tail Lights Wanted
Message-ID: <4AD6A573.1020206@greenheart.com>

Hello all... I'm after yet a pair of the tail lights for my early TR2. 

Here is what they look like:

http://www.vtr.org/TR2/NewPhotos/tt2reflector.jpg

The lens "Lucas 471" and "Made in England" embossed in the glass.   
Notice that is has a rectangular shape.

These were found on the early TR2s through TS1387.   After this, they 
changed to a round type lens.

I really hope I can find an original pair, not reproductions or lens 
missing the "Lucas 471" lettering, etc.

Some may recall, I have an early, unmolested, unrestored TR2.  It's my 
goal to basically keep it as is, but make it safe to drive, halt 
corrosion, and to keep it a good example of an original car, except for 
period accessories.  

Not to complicate matters, but as a comparison, here is the later TR2 
lens assembly (that I do not need...)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1168/532815396_7eca578c32.jpg?v=0

It appears that the lens is a bit more common than the rest of the 
assembly.  While the lens was used on various cars of the period, the 
bezel may have been unique to the TR2.

--Justin Wagner

P.S.   I still have not found an early TR2 jack.

For more info on TR2s... visit Bill Lynn's article on The VTR web site:
http://www.vtr.org/TR2/terrible_2s.shtml


From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Thu Oct 15 02:03:05 2009
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:03:05 +1100
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
In-Reply-To: <90D8772C994946CFBF45577373846525@Bud>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAEEsfDCKT8JBvCEM6gpYxDwBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au><001701ca4cd4$85365a70$8fa30f50$@com>
	<90D8772C994946CFBF45577373846525@Bud>
Message-ID: <30072A16B1AA427FB35D85BD1A2BCB0A@GEOFFPC>

there are TR6 race motors and there ARE TR6 RACE MOTORS
Billet crank
billet rods
Forged pistons
PI mods
High compression 13+
Av gas +
overbored motors
Small dia clutch
trick harmonic balancers
tune exhaust
tune inlet and cold air box
8500 rpm
HP well that between me and my dyno guy!!!!!!!!!
Geoff
TR6 Racer down under
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>; "'Peter Vucinic'" 
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump


> I'm curious you guys....What kind of horsepower does a racing TR6 put out 
> with the fuel injection/versus carbs?
> I'll take my answer on the air!
> Racer Bud...Spitfire #21
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
> To: "'Peter Vucinic'" <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "'FOT'" 
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
>
>
>>I don't have fuel injection on a TR6 race car but I do have a TR5 with 
>>Lucas
>> fuel injection.  I recently installed the Bosch pump and filter kit, 
>> which I
>> got from Malcolm Jones at Prestige Injection in the UK, on the car.  I 
>> also
>> modified the fuel tank for outlets on both sides and separate return 
>> ports
>> on the top.  The kit included a new outlet fitting to replace the 
>> original
>> to allow for adequate fuel flow into the pump.  In addition I rewired the
>> pump adding a fused fuel pump relay and heavier wiring.  The original 
>> pump
>> drew about 5.6 amps and had a voltage drop of 2.8 volts to the pump.  The
>> new pump draws 9.5 amps with only a 0.75 volt drop at the pump with the
>> rewiring.  If you need the numbers of the pump and filter I'm sure I have
>> them somewhere or can get them for you.  The TR6 fuel tank was modified 
>> on
>> the PI cars to overcome some of the problems with the TR5 tank but I 
>> don't
>> know if that tank was used in the carbureted TR6 cars.
>>
>> I'm currently running 103 PSI at the metering unit but will be increasing
>> that to about 110 as I am having some intermittent problems and also am 
>> not
>> sure of the accuracy of my fuel pressure gauge.  The 103 could be 
>> marginal
>> and may even be lower if my gauge reads 2% or 3% high, which is typical
>> standard gauge accuracy.
>>
>> Tim Murphy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Peter Vucinic
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:18 PM
>> To: FOT
>> Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
>>
>> Dear List'rs,
>>
>>
>>
>> Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection 
>> system,
>> race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to 
>> use?
>>
>> BOSH? Etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards
>>
>> Peter Vucinic
>>
>> TR-4
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>>
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From 58tr3a at videotron.ca  Thu Oct 15 05:25:36 2009
From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:25:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Early TR2 Rear Tail Lights Wanted
References: <4AD6A573.1020206@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <4DC28932E01D4751BF953EAAA5691F89@elliott7455dae>

The red lens for those early TR2s is the same one used on the MG-TD.  Try 
any MG supplier.  Also ask the US TRA.  http://www.triumphregister.com/

When The TR Register had difficulty during the restoration of TS2, the lens 
were available but the problem was that they couldn't find the rectangular 
chromed frame which surrounds the lens.  Ask the TR Register.  They may have 
had some extras made.

http://www.tr-register.co.uk/
-------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Justin Wagner" <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>; "Triumphs" 
<triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:30 AM
Subject: [Fot] Early TR2 Rear Tail Lights Wanted


> Hello all... I'm after yet a pair of the tail lights for my early TR2.
>
> Here is what they look like:
>
> http://www.vtr.org/TR2/NewPhotos/tt2reflector.jpg
>
> The lens "Lucas 471" and "Made in England" embossed in the glass.
> Notice that is has a rectangular shape.
>
> These were found on the early TR2s through TS1387.   After this, they
> changed to a round type lens.
>
> I really hope I can find an original pair, not reproductions or lens
> missing the "Lucas 471" lettering, etc.
>
> Some may recall, I have an early, unmolested, unrestored TR2.  It's my
> goal to basically keep it as is, but make it safe to drive, halt
> corrosion, and to keep it a good example of an original car, except for
> period accessories.
>
> Not to complicate matters, but as a comparison, here is the later TR2
> lens assembly (that I do not need...)
>
> http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1168/532815396_7eca578c32.jpg?v=0
>
> It appears that the lens is a bit more common than the rest of the
> assembly.  While the lens was used on various cars of the period, the
> bezel may have been unique to the TR2.
>
> --Justin Wagner
>
> P.S.   I still have not found an early TR2 jack.
>
> For more info on TR2s... visit Bill Lynn's article on The VTR web site:
> http://www.vtr.org/TR2/terrible_2s.shtml
>
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>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Oct 15 10:37:05 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:37:05 +0200
Subject: [Fot] A quick lap on the Nurburgring GP track - Qualy Session 2
Message-ID: <000001ca4db5$be9f4a10$3bddde30$@com>

A not so quick race.
A boat would have been better:

http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5392848011275006882

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Oktober 2009 11:52
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: A quick lap on the Nurburgring GP track - Qualy Session 2

Have fun with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udId4mPFj3M

Cheers
Chris


From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Oct 15 11:03:15 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:03:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Emailing: 2009_1015AA tr2 light
Message-ID: <7CBD8F85C3A44B2E8EAB3097DDE9B4DA@Bud>

Don...I've got this one..Lucas L484...Hillman..does the # cross-reference?
Racer Bud
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Oct 15 20:10:45 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (rkramer3 at austin.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:10:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR 6 Racers
In-Reply-To: <119266.67299.qm@web83804.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20091016021045.HFYPZ.72018.root@hrndva-web03-z01>

I found 2 green and 2 silver in bum you know what Oklahoma on my way to
Hallett today. I think that the Walmart computers are punching out reorders
for what must be one of the best new HotWheels car. Maybe some Red ones will
come out of this.

---- Mike Schubert <trebucs at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Bob:
> B 
> FYI
> B 
> The Walmart at US79 and Red Bud in Round rock had at least 6 TR6 race cars
left,B mostly green.B  I got a silver one and a green one.
>
> Mike Schubert
> trebucs at sbcglobal.net
> 512-252-3767
> B 
> Ever stop to think. . . . . .andB forget to start again?
> B 


From brad.kahler at 141.com  Fri Oct 16 09:45:48 2009
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:45:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [TR] For Sale: NOS Lucas parts (Mostly TR3)
In-Reply-To: <f99bbf590910151657r342c92e5x7f453b8be5812fcf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AD66E4E.1000701@141.com>
	<62909.85176.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<f99bbf590910151657r342c92e5x7f453b8be5812fcf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99bbf590910160845j3cab1a3bn9fee4fc4da4f98d7@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, all the NOS parts are spoken for.

The parts are going to whoever responded first saying they would take them.


Thanks again,

Brad





On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com> wrote:

> Bill,
>
> The lenses are NOS Lucas in the box and yes they do say Lucas.  $15
> each for the lenses and the one chrome base that I have would be $20
> and it is also NOS in the box.
>
> I would guess shipping to be something like $8 after insurance, etc.
> If you're interested I would prefer Paypal but check would work as
> well.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brad
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:34 PM, William Babbitt <wbabbitt at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> > Brad,
> > How much for the pair of TR3 Lucas tail lights?
> > Do they have "Lucas" imprinted on them?
> > thanks,
> > Bill
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com>
> > To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:35:26 PM
> > Subject: [TR] For Sale: NOS Lucas parts (Mostly TR3)
> >
> > Several people have asked for my list of NOS Lucas parts that I have.
> > Here is a partial listing, I still have one more box to dig through so
> > a few more things yet to come.  Just about all of these parts are
> > still in the original Lucas packaging
> >
> > All parts listed below are NOS unless otherwise noted:
> >
> > 573819    Single center tail light lens (only lens) as used on the TR3.
> >
> > 574635    tail light lens (only lens) as used on TR3A & TR3B.  (I have
> > two of these)
> >
> > L549 (53330) light base assembly for 574635 lens listed above
> >
> > 31126    3 position (side / head switch) (I have one NOS and one good
> used
> > one)
> >
> > 31444F  (same action of switch as above but screw connectors do not
> > hang down they go up beside the body)
> >
> > 31253    momentary push button switch (TR3 starter switch) (I have
> > one NOS and one used)
> >
> > 576109    red beehive lens as used on TR3s and TR4s  (I have two of
> these)
> >
> > 30608    ignition switch body (without the key tumbler) (supposed to
> > be for later TR3s with the spade connectors)
> >
> > 291806  starter gear (supposed to be TR3)
> >
> > 270038  bushing (starter?)
> >
> > 255491  bushing (starter?)
> >
> > 491644  sundries kit (starter?)
> >
> > L494  reversing light
> >
> > L494  reversing light (this one is used and is very lightly pitted
> > but still looks pretty good)
> >
> > 31419A  push pull switch panel light switch (I have two NOS and two used)
> >
> > 78358  heater rheostat switch with knob
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brad
> > _______________________________________________
> >
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Fri Oct 16 11:31:35 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:31:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How to determine if someone has had a stroke
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0619575F11@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Sorry to bomb the list with this but I'm at the track with a bunch of old guys
and I feel its appropriate within our crowd. None of us are getting any
younger, this may save a life if you know it.
Bob K

Subject: FW: This is Good Information to Have

B lood  Clots/Stroke - They Now Have a Fourth Indicator,  the Tongue
[cid:image001.jpg at 01CA4CE6.9A5E2290]


I  will continue to forward this every time it  comes around!


STROKE: Remember  the 1st Three Letters.... S. T. R.


STROKE  IDENTIFICATION:


During a BBQ, a woman stumbled and took a little fall - she assured  everyone
that she was fine (they offered to call  paramedics) .she said she had just
tripped over  a brick because of her new shoes.


They  got her cleaned up and got her a new plate of  food. While she appeared
a bit shaken up, Jane went about enjoying herself the rest of the  evening


Jane's husband called later  telling everyone that his wife had been taken to
the hospital -
(at 6:00  pm  Jane passed away.) She had suffered a stroke at the BBQ. Had
they known how to identify the  signs of a stroke, perhaps Jane would be with
us today. Some don't die.. They end up in a  helpless, hopeless condition
instead.


It  only takes a minute to read this...


A  neurologist says that if he can get to a stroke  victim within 3 hours he
can totally reverse the  effects of a stroke...totally. He said  the trick was
getting a stroke recognized,  diagnosed, and then getting the patient
medically cared for within 3 hours, which is  tough.


RECOGNIZING A STROKE


Thank  God for the sense to remember the '3' steps, STR  . Read and Learn!


Sometimes symptoms of a  stroke are difficult to identify. Unfortunately,  the
lack of awareness spells disaster. The  stroke victim may suffer severe brain
damage  when people nearby fail to recognize the  symptoms of a stroke.


Now doctors say a  bystander can recognize a stroke by asking three  simple
questions:


S  *Ask  the individual to SMILE.

T  *Ask  the person to TALK and SPEAK A SIMPLE SENTENCE  (Coherently)

(i.e. It is sunny out  today.)

R  *Ask  him or her to RAISE BOTH  ARMS.


If  he or she has trouble with ANY ONE of these  tasks, call emergency
numberimmediately  and describe the symptoms to the  dispatcher..


New  Sign of a Stroke -------- Stick out Your  Tongue


NOTE:  Another 'sign' of a stroke is this: Ask the  person to 'stick' out his
tongue.. If the tongue  is 'crooked', if it goes to one side or the  other,
that is  also an indication of a  stroke.


A cardiologist says if everyone who gets this e-mail sends it to 10 people;
you can bet that at least one life will be saved.
_______________________________________________
Journeymen mailing list
Journeymen at fumc-rr.org
http://mail.fumc-rr.org/mailman/listinfo/journeymen


From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Oct 16 17:51:35 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:51:35 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Here's to ya, kid!
Message-ID: <4AD90707.5020703@bradakis.com>

I just sold some parts.  Spitfire parts, to be exact, a boot lid and a 
door for
a squaretail.  Some young fellow bought them.  He recently purchased a
non-running $200 Spitfire, and is chomping at the bit to get it going.

It was fun to have him in the garage, he was impressed with a few things,
like the dual DCOE setup for Killer that was over there, the ceramic
coated Stahl header tucked away there and so on.  He even noticed some
of my old SCCA autocross trophies still on the wall, and that great copy
of a Triumph ad that Chris K did about Team Fat sweeping the VTR
autocross some years back.  We talked for a while, I emailed him some
links to Triumph related info.

It would be nice to be so young and energetic, instead of old and decrepit.
But a bit of his enthusiasm did rub off, helped to make the day better than
it had been going.  I hope he sticks with it, keeps the flickering flame
going.

Right now, though, I've got to get started on some chicken and mushrooms
in a lemon sauce to serve over fettucini.  I'm getting hungry, and Karen
will be home soon.  Out to the garage after dinner.

mjb.


From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Oct 16 19:10:03 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:10:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Here's to ya, kid!
References: <4AD90707.5020703@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <BE5D660A9A704D7F84E74349AA43B642@Bud>

Good Job Mark...It's neat  stuff when the young people enjoy learning about 
our old stuff......One of the great things that old cars and old people 
offer to youth, is the opportunity to learn the basics of Independance 
'Working with our hands and minds'...this is the early step of learning how 
to work on the modern stuff.....It is also gives them a big bunch of 
confidence..knowing that they can survive on their own....
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:51 PM
Subject: [Fot] Here's to ya, kid!


>I just sold some parts.  Spitfire parts, to be exact, a boot lid and a door 
>for
> a squaretail.  Some young fellow bought them.  He recently purchased a
> non-running $200 Spitfire, and is chomping at the bit to get it going.
>
> It was fun to have him in the garage, he was impressed with a few things,
> like the dual DCOE setup for Killer that was over there, the ceramic
> coated Stahl header tucked away there and so on.  He even noticed some
> of my old SCCA autocross trophies still on the wall, and that great copy
> of a Triumph ad that Chris K did about Team Fat sweeping the VTR
> autocross some years back.  We talked for a while, I emailed him some
> links to Triumph related info.
>
> It would be nice to be so young and energetic, instead of old and 
> decrepit.
> But a bit of his enthusiasm did rub off, helped to make the day better 
> than
> it had been going.  I hope he sticks with it, keeps the flickering flame
> going.
>
> Right now, though, I've got to get started on some chicken and mushrooms
> in a lemon sauce to serve over fettucini.  I'm getting hungry, and Karen
> will be home soon.  Out to the garage after dinner.
>
> mjb.
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Oct 16 19:58:17 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:58:17 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Here's to ya, kid!
In-Reply-To: <BE5D660A9A704D7F84E74349AA43B642@Bud>
References: <4AD90707.5020703@bradakis.com>
	<BE5D660A9A704D7F84E74349AA43B642@Bud>
Message-ID: <4AD924B9.2040305@bradakis.com>

RACER BUD wrote:
> Good Job Mark...It's neat  stuff when the young people enjoy learning 
> about our old stuff......One of the great things that old cars and old 
> people offer to youth, is the opportunity to learn the basics of 
> Independance 
First off, thanks for your contribution the other day, I appreciate it.

I expect this fellow may be showing up on the Team.Net Triumph and 
Spitfire lists soon,
asking about how to get door handles and latches removed and replaced, 
possibly cursing
my name in the process.

He didn't need a door, he just needed some of the  handle and latch 
bits.  He'll get a
chance to learn some basics swapping in the good parts for his bad 
ones.  Maybe I
should have thrown a box of band-aids into the deal!

mjb.


From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 17 09:13:02 2009
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:13:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 coolant plumbing help and ideas needed
Message-ID: <492152.60885.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I got my engine back yesterday.  While at the ABFM in Portland over Labor day
I took a bunch of photo's and had conversations with a few of you regarding
additional plumbing to get the back of the engine cooler.  It is pretty clear
that a line needs to come out where the heater port is and run back to the
thermostat housing.  I have photos showing a line coming from the drain port
but I am not sure where to return that too.  Also should I run a thermostat. 
I would really appriciate some ideas or even photos.  

On some other notes. 
The fuel cell is mounted up and the doorbars and dash bar are just about
done. 

Thanks for the help.

Mike Mehl
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Sat Oct 17 09:42:15 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:42:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
Message-ID: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>

My GT 6, with a welded diff, has the halfshaft u-joints bolted to it  
with AN6 hardware.  I was checking out various things under the car  
two events ago and noticed that all of the bolts/nyloc nuts were about  
1/8-1/4 turn loose.  I tightened them up, but after the next event  
they were about one flat loose again.  There's no way to get a torque  
wrench at these, given the proximity to the diff and the u joint on  
the other end of the bolts, so I just give them a good yank with hand  
wrenches.

Question - are these stretching, working loose (with nyloc), or are  
the AN washers, which I find to be fairly soft, compressing?  I really  
lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts are loosening.  I know  
the welded diff puts a lot of stress on the system, but none of the  
hardware on the outer u joints or the drive shaft, all of which have  
smaller hardware, is loosening, and the events I'm talking about are  
only hillclimbs - not a lot of driving time at all.


From billb at bnj.com  Sat Oct 17 09:50:37 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:50:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
In-Reply-To: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
References: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <886614C7-187D-445F-B527-297997A2B50D@bnj.com>

Probably the Nylocks. They don't lock well against impact. I'd try  
self locking AN with a hard washer, or perhaps red locktite.  No idea  
why the rest of the stuff is working and these aren't.
On Oct 17, 2009, at 8:42 AM, Scott Janzen wrote:

> My GT 6, with a welded diff, has the halfshaft u-joints bolted to it
> with AN6 hardware.  I was checking out various things under the car
> two events ago and noticed that all of the bolts/nyloc nuts were about
> 1/8-1/4 turn loose.  I tightened them up, but after the next event
> they were about one flat loose again.  There's no way to get a torque
> wrench at these, given the proximity to the diff and the u joint on
> the other end of the bolts, so I just give them a good yank with hand
> wrenches.
>
> Question - are these stretching, working loose (with nyloc), or are
> the AN washers, which I find to be fairly soft, compressing?  I really
> lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts are loosening.  I know
> the welded diff puts a lot of stress on the system, but none of the
> hardware on the outer u joints or the drive shaft, all of which have
> smaller hardware, is loosening, and the events I'm talking about are
> only hillclimbs - not a lot of driving time at all.
>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Oct 17 09:56:36 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:56:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
In-Reply-To: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
References: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <AED9277EEADA4A3D9A34F168D13F2E75@joepentiumnew>

Most likely, it is the Nyloc nuts.  I would say use a bit of Loc-Tite on the
threads and see if they still work loose.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:42 AM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts

My GT 6, with a welded diff, has the halfshaft u-joints bolted to it  
with AN6 hardware.  I was checking out various things under the car  
two events ago and noticed that all of the bolts/nyloc nuts were about  
1/8-1/4 turn loose.  I tightened them up, but after the next event  
they were about one flat loose again.  There's no way to get a torque  
wrench at these, given the proximity to the diff and the u joint on  
the other end of the bolts, so I just give them a good yank with hand  
wrenches.

Question - are these stretching, working loose (with nyloc), or are  
the AN washers, which I find to be fairly soft, compressing?  I really  
lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts are loosening.  I know  
the welded diff puts a lot of stress on the system, but none of the  
hardware on the outer u joints or the drive shaft, all of which have  
smaller hardware, is loosening, and the events I'm talking about are  
only hillclimbs - not a lot of driving time at all.
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From quicktr4 at comcast.net  Sat Oct 17 10:12:19 2009
From: quicktr4 at comcast.net (quicktr4)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:12:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 coolant plumbing help and ideas needed
References: <492152.60885.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <217966C92C284A4D97A285E8424AF6B9@quickfure2vk6w>

 sounds like your getting close to having a race car .the line at the block 
at #4 goes to the wtr pump housing discharge it will need to be drilled and 
a fitting installed. this pumps cooler water into the back of the block.you 
may need more radiator than stock. Jeff
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Mehl" <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR4 coolant plumbing help and ideas needed


>I got my engine back yesterday.  While at the ABFM in Portland over Labor 
>day
> I took a bunch of photo's and had conversations with a few of you 
> regarding
> additional plumbing to get the back of the engine cooler.  It is pretty 
> clear
> that a line needs to come out where the heater port is and run back to the
> thermostat housing.  I have photos showing a line coming from the drain 
> port
> but I am not sure where to return that too.  Also should I run a 
> thermostat.
> I would really appriciate some ideas or even photos.
>
> On some other notes.
> The fuel cell is mounted up and the doorbars and dash bar are just about
> done.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Mike Mehl
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Sat Oct 17 11:39:32 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:39:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
In-Reply-To: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <727584AE5E8846EAAEB4DB7BA38B3DB7@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Scott

I noticed exactly the same thing with my Spit with a welded diff.  I ended
up switching out the nylocks for K-nuts.  They are easier to get a wrench on
and seem to hold tight longer.  About every other weekend, I have to take up
a couple of them but far less than I ever did with the nylocks.  The
driveline bolts don't seem to have near the same problem.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:42 AM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts


My GT 6, with a welded diff, has the halfshaft u-joints bolted to it
with AN6 hardware.  I was checking out various things under the car
two events ago and noticed that all of the bolts/nyloc nuts were about
1/8-1/4 turn loose.  I tightened them up, but after the next event
they were about one flat loose again.  There's no way to get a torque
wrench at these, given the proximity to the diff and the u joint on
the other end of the bolts, so I just give them a good yank with hand
wrenches.

Question - are these stretching, working loose (with nyloc), or are
the AN washers, which I find to be fairly soft, compressing?  I really
lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts are loosening.  I know
the welded diff puts a lot of stress on the system, but none of the
hardware on the outer u joints or the drive shaft, all of which have
smaller hardware, is loosening, and the events I'm talking about are
only hillclimbs - not a lot of driving time at all.
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Oct 17 11:44:24 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:44:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
In-Reply-To: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20091017174424180.RUWC3542@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com>

> Question - are these stretching, working loose (with nyloc), or are  
> the AN washers, which I find to be fairly soft, compressing?  
> I really  
> lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts are loosening.  

Scott, I had exactly the same problem with the driveshaft flanges on my
street TR3A.  Switching to a "distorted thread" all-metal type locknut
solved the problem for me.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#92501a430/=43nsuh

Randall


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sat Oct 17 12:10:58 2009
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:10:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
In-Reply-To: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
References: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4ADA08B2.20609@blacksburg.net>

On 10/17/2009 11:42 AM, Scott Janzen wrote:
> My GT 6, with a welded diff, has the halfshaft u-joints bolted to it
> with AN6 hardware.  I was checking out various things under the car
> two events ago and noticed that all of the bolts/nyloc nuts were about
> 1/8-1/4 turn loose.  I tightened them up, but after the next event
> they were about one flat loose again.  There's no way to get a torque
> wrench at these, given the proximity to the diff and the u joint on
> the other end of the bolts, so I just give them a good yank with hand
> wrenches.
>
>    
Scott, I used AN363 stop nuts and AN960 flat washers.  I don't know the 
washer hardness but they've held up nicely.  The stop nuts likewise have 
never given me any problems.  Check www.aircraftspruce.com.

hth

jim
> Question - are these stretching, working loose (with nyloc), or are
> the AN washers, which I find to be fairly soft, compressing?  I really
> lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts are loosening.  I know
> the welded diff puts a lot of stress on the system, but none of the
> hardware on the outer u joints or the drive shaft, all of which have
> smaller hardware, is loosening, and the events I'm talking about are
> only hillclimbs - not a lot of driving time at all.


From cak at dimebank.com  Sat Oct 17 12:17:55 2009
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:17:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
Message-ID: <200910171817.n9HIHtop024055@moose.dimebank.com>

There are various grades of "nyloc". I had similar problems on both
my 4A and GT6+ when using hardware store nylocs. I switched to the
"high temp" AN spec and the problem has gone away. AN365-624A is hte
part number.


From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat Oct 17 12:24:22 2009
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:24:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
In-Reply-To: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
References: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS55B47728FFEBF556FF4CEC3C30@phx.gbl>

It's probably the AN washers.  They are soft because of their intended use on
airframes.  Try Grade 8 washers.

You might also try using the so called "jet nut" type all metal locknut,
though on our Lotus Eleven Le Mans they still manage to work slightly loose
after a couple of sessions.  Though I suspect the inboard disk brakes are a
contributing factor there.

Terry Stetler


From gasket.works at gte.net  Sat Oct 17 13:25:24 2009
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:25:24 +0000
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
Message-ID: <691311772-1255807490-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2422494-@bda697.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I had this issue in the past. I fixed this using using the appropriatly shouldered and sized an6 drilled bolt for saftey wire.  I use a jet nut with (7/16) reduced hex head.  I found that a mac tools closed end /six point wrench works best to hold the jet nut while tightening.  I also use blue loctite.  When completed I use either a cotter pin or safty wire.  In terms of the washer there are two AN type washers.  - I use the thinner.  (Saves weight...)

M
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 17 13:58:16 2009
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:58:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts - Loctite comment
In-Reply-To: <886614C7-187D-445F-B527-297997A2B50D@bnj.com>
References: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
	<886614C7-187D-445F-B527-297997A2B50D@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <529434.50240.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

For what ever it is worth don't use the red loctite unless you want to use a
torch to take the stuff apart.  The Blue works great.  To have the best result
use a primer (loctite makes it).  Also use Loctite brand.  There really is a
difference.   You can get the blue in a stick (like chapstick), gel and
liquid.  We sell the stuff at our company.  I have been through a bunch of
their training.  

Mike




________________________________
From: Bill
Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
To: Scott Janzen <s.janzen at comcast.net>
Cc: 'Friends
of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, October 17, 2009 8:50:37
AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts

Probably the Nylocks. They
don't lock well against impact. I'd try  
self locking AN with a hard washer,
or perhaps red locktite.  No idea  
why the rest of the stuff is working and
these aren't.
On Oct 17, 2009, at 8:42 AM, Scott Janzen wrote:

> My GT 6,
with a welded diff, has the halfshaft u-joints bolted to it
> with AN6
hardware.  I was checking out various things under the car
> two events ago
and noticed that all of the bolts/nyloc nuts were about
> 1/8-1/4 turn loose. 
I tightened them up, but after the next event
> they were about one flat loose
again.  There's no way to get a torque
> wrench at these, given the proximity
to the diff and the u joint on
> the other end of the bolts, so I just give
them a good yank with hand
> wrenches.
>
> Question - are these stretching,
working loose (with nyloc), or are
> the AN washers, which I find to be fairly
soft, compressing?  I really
> lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts
are loosening.  I know
> the welded diff puts a lot of stress on the system,
but none of the
> hardware on the outer u joints or the drive shaft, all of
which have
> smaller hardware, is loosening, and the events I'm talking about
are
> only hillclimbs - not a lot of driving time at all.
>
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Sat Oct 17 15:13:33 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:13:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts - Loctite comment
In-Reply-To: <529434.50240.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
	<886614C7-187D-445F-B527-297997A2B50D@bnj.com>
	<529434.50240.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9A2A491E-12CC-46F3-B4C9-86C2E7B0B444@bnj.com>

I've never had a problem with Red Locktite as long as you torque it  
forward before you try to remove the part. You need to crack the stuff  
lose and open up the thread gap.
On Oct 17, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Mike Mehl wrote:

> For what ever it is worth don't use the red loctite unless you want  
> to use a torch to take the stuff apart.  The Blue works great.  To  
> have the best result use a primer (loctite makes it).  Also use  
> Loctite brand.  There really is a difference.   You can get the blue  
> in a stick (like chapstick), gel and liquid.  We sell the stuff at  
> our company.  I have been through a bunch of their training.
>
> Mike
>
> From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
> To: Scott Janzen <s.janzen at comcast.net>
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, October 17, 2009 8:50:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
>
> Probably the Nylocks. They don't lock well against impact. I'd try
> self locking AN with a hard washer, or perhaps red locktite.  No idea
> why the rest of the stuff is working and these aren't.
> On Oct 17, 2009, at 8:42 AM, Scott Janzen wrote:
>
> > My GT 6, with a welded diff, has the halfshaft u-joints bolted to it
> > with AN6 hardware.  I was checking out various things under the car
> > two events ago and noticed that all of the bolts/nyloc nuts were  
> about
> > 1/8-1/4 turn loose.  I tightened them up, but after the next event
> > they were about one flat loose again.  There's no way to get a  
> torque
> > wrench at these, given the proximity to the diff and the u joint on
> > the other end of the bolts, so I just give them a good yank with  
> hand
> > wrenches.
> >
> > Question - are these stretching, working loose (with nyloc), or are
> > the AN washers, which I find to be fairly soft, compressing?  I  
> really
> > lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts are loosening.  I know
> > the welded diff puts a lot of stress on the system, but none of the
> > hardware on the outer u joints or the drive shaft, all of which have
> > smaller hardware, is loosening, and the events I'm talking about are
> > only hillclimbs - not a lot of driving time at all.
> >
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From bownes at seiri.com  Sat Oct 17 15:37:08 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:37:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Here's to ya, kid!
In-Reply-To: <4AD924B9.2040305@bradakis.com>
References: <4AD90707.5020703@bradakis.com>
	<BE5D660A9A704D7F84E74349AA43B642@Bud> <4AD924B9.2040305@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330910171437t40dd5a9cy8a4bb43adbf184c5@mail.gmail.com>

Amazing how it all works. I spent the morning getting my tr6 fired up
so I could put the Mini on the lift to get her snow tires on and in
doing so, have pretty much convinced my lunatic fringe 24 hours od
lemons team mates to give this years car to our spouses/gf for their
racing pleasure while we field a gt6 with some kind of perverse engine
swap (since the gt we have is sans engine). And yes Mark, this is one
of the GTs that came from Utah.

So another weekend of wrenching begins.



On 10/16/09, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> RACER BUD wrote:
>> Good Job Mark...It's neat  stuff when the young people enjoy learning
>> about our old stuff......One of the great things that old cars and old
>> people offer to youth, is the opportunity to learn the basics of
>> Independance
> First off, thanks for your contribution the other day, I appreciate it.
>
> I expect this fellow may be showing up on the Team.Net Triumph and
> Spitfire lists soon,
> asking about how to get door handles and latches removed and replaced,
> possibly cursing
> my name in the process.
>
> He didn't need a door, he just needed some of the  handle and latch
> bits.  He'll get a
> chance to learn some basics swapping in the good parts for his bad
> ones.  Maybe I
> should have thrown a box of band-aids into the deal!
>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Oct 17 21:14:06 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:14:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Hot wheels
Message-ID: <4D13E8A84063442982A2D648B91D389C@joepentiumnew>

I saw several messages earlier but paid little attention.  Today I was in
Wal*Mart and bought the 3 that they had on the shelves but they are all in
Green with white graphics.

I do recall that there were other colors mentioned.  Can someone tell me
what other colors there are?

Thanks,
Joe C


From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Sun Oct 18 06:37:58 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:37:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Hot wheels
In-Reply-To: <4D13E8A84063442982A2D648B91D389C@joepentiumnew>
References: <4D13E8A84063442982A2D648B91D389C@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <4ADB0C26.1020406@141.com>

We have only silver with blue graphics and wheels at our Walmart. There 
is some guy on eBay customizing them with product graphics (Heineken 
Beer, etc.) and resealing them in the original package, but they don't 
come from Hot Wheels that way.

On the main page of the Hot Wheels site, they show an animated flock of 
blue ones with red graphics with bat wings flying toward the viewer 
(Halloween customs, I guess!).  ;)

Susan      :)


Joe Curry wrote:
> I saw several messages earlier but paid little attention.  Today I was in
> Wal*Mart and bought the 3 that they had on the shelves but they are all in
> Green with white graphics.
>
> I do recall that there were other colors mentioned.  Can someone tell me
> what other colors there are?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe C
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sun Oct 18 08:46:53 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:46:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 coolant plumbing help and ideas needed
References: <492152.60885.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<217966C92C284A4D97A285E8424AF6B9@quickfure2vk6w>
Message-ID: <EF0DE796AF844276B41D21AE43A5088A@latitudefb1e41>

Mike,
Some off us put a pressurized fill tank at the back of the block in the line 
Jeff mentioned. We use a variety of radiators and some are mounted with the 
fill cap lower than the head. The fill tank allows for eliminating air in 
the system. In my case, with my eBay purchased Wizard aluminum radiator, 
running over 6 grand resulted in pumping water past the 13lb cap on the 
radiator. I use an 18 lb cap on the fill tank still have the 13 on the 
radiator and I just pump a little out of the 18 lb cap every 20 minutes (in 
Texas).
Bpb K
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "quicktr4" <quicktr4 at comcast.net>
To: "Mike Mehl" <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; "Triumph Friends of" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 coolant plumbing help and ideas needed


> sounds like your getting close to having a race car .the line at the block 
> at #4 goes to the wtr pump housing discharge it will need to be drilled 
> and a fitting installed. this pumps cooler water into the back of the 
> block.you may need more radiator than stock. Jeff
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> To: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:13 AM
> Subject: [Fot] TR4 coolant plumbing help and ideas needed
>
>
>>I got my engine back yesterday.  While at the ABFM in Portland over Labor 
>>day
>> I took a bunch of photo's and had conversations with a few of you 
>> regarding
>> additional plumbing to get the back of the engine cooler.  It is pretty 
>> clear
>> that a line needs to come out where the heater port is and run back to 
>> the
>> thermostat housing.  I have photos showing a line coming from the drain 
>> port
>> but I am not sure where to return that too.  Also should I run a 
>> thermostat.
>> I would really appriciate some ideas or even photos.
>>
>> On some other notes.
>> The fuel cell is mounted up and the doorbars and dash bar are just about
>> done.
>>
>> Thanks for the help.
>>
>> Mike Mehl
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From klynch_6 at msn.com  Sun Oct 18 09:42:14 2009
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:42:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT/TR6 motors for sale
Message-ID: <SNT123-DS12E4ADDBD03E254B5CB983B7C20@phx.gbl>

Have found myself with more inventory than I really need. So a couple of these
long blocks need a new home. (no carbs)
Am in Colo. as point of reference, thanks for the glance.
Kevin
303 237-4248
klynch_6 at msn.com<mailto:klynch_6 at msn.com>


From cak at dimebank.com  Sun Oct 18 09:56:45 2009
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:56:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] hardware and halfshafts
Message-ID: <200910181556.n9IFujGd026190@moose.dimebank.com>

"jet nuts" - you want AN363 or MS21042, depending on whether or not
you have access issues. 

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/an363.php

Please do not be tempted to use AN363 to "save weight". They
are rated for shear only.


From cak at dimebank.com  Sun Oct 18 09:57:52 2009
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:57:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] hardware and halfshafts
Message-ID: <200910181557.n9IFvqCE013203@moose.dimebank.com>

Sorry, that should be

Please do not be tempted to use *AN364* to "save weight". They
are rated for shear only.


From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Oct 18 13:07:22 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:07:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Hot Wheels
Message-ID: <6998CA69EDA540A0859511F8ECF620E6@joepentiumnew>

I went to another Wal*Mart and a Target store today and was successful in
finding ample quantities of the Silver model.  I bought all they had in both
stores and ended up with 11 silver and 6 Green ones.

I will be keeping one of each for myself and giving the others away as
gifts. But if anyone needs one to complete their collection, let me know.

Joe


From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Oct 18 13:33:00 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:33:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Hot Wheels
References: <6998CA69EDA540A0859511F8ECF620E6@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <D399116FD1924609B51990738DEF9887@Bud>

Good Job Joe...are you sure you didn't get followed home?(:>)
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 12:07 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Hot Wheels


>I went to another Wal*Mart and a Target store today and was successful in
> finding ample quantities of the Silver model.  I bought all they had in 
> both
> stores and ended up with 11 silver and 6 Green ones.
>
> I will be keeping one of each for myself and giving the others away as
> gifts. But if anyone needs one to complete their collection, let me know.
>
> Joe
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Oct 18 16:00:37 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:00:37 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts - Loctite comment
Message-ID: <bc1.5c42e493.380cea05@aol.com>

Mike,
 
Has the subject of torquing come up in the Loctite training, as in, How do  
you adjust the torque spec fpr Loctite?  Treat is a dry joint, a oiled  
joint?  A molyed joint?  I asked my Loctite rep and just got a blank  
look...Steve
 
 
In a message dated 10/17/2009 12:58:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
mike.mehl at yahoo.com writes:

For what  ever it is worth don't use the red loctite unless you want to use 
a
torch  to take the stuff apart.  The Blue works great.  To have the best  
result
use a primer (loctite makes it).  Also use Loctite brand.   There really is 
a
difference.   You can get the blue in a stick  (like chapstick), gel and
liquid.  We sell the stuff at our  company.  I have been through a bunch of
their training.   

Mike


From andre at gt6.ca  Mon Oct 19 10:02:35 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:02:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels
Message-ID: <4362ae390910190902x39b1ea43qd0cfcce324d638c5@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2009/10/19/consumer-girls-boys-toys.html

Hot Wheels saw a boost ;)

A.

-- 
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
'77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
Ottawa, ON, Canada


From rodkent at cox.net  Mon Oct 19 10:54:45 2009
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:54:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts - Loctite comment
In-Reply-To: <529434.50240.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20091019125445.HZL5S.687779.imail@fed1rmwml28>

It's worth using the red for the additional grip, no problem taking apart if you hit it with a little heat first. 
---- Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com> wrote: 
For what ever it is worth don't use the red loctite unless you want to use a
torch to take the stuff apart.  The Blue works great.  To have the best result
use a primer (loctite makes it).  Also use Loctite brand.  There really is a
difference.   You can get the blue in a stick (like chapstick), gel and
liquid.  We sell the stuff at our company.  I have been through a bunch of
their training.  

Mike




________________________________
From: Bill
Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
To: Scott Janzen <s.janzen at comcast.net>
Cc: 'Friends
of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, October 17, 2009 8:50:37
AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts

Probably the Nylocks. They
don't lock well against impact. I'd try  
self locking AN with a hard washer,
or perhaps red locktite.  No idea  
why the rest of the stuff is working and
these aren't.
On Oct 17, 2009, at 8:42 AM, Scott Janzen wrote:

> My GT 6,
with a welded diff, has the halfshaft u-joints bolted to it
> with AN6
hardware.  I was checking out various things under the car
> two events ago
and noticed that all of the bolts/nyloc nuts were about
> 1/8-1/4 turn loose. 
I tightened them up, but after the next event
> they were about one flat loose
again.  There's no way to get a torque
> wrench at these, given the proximity
to the diff and the u joint on
> the other end of the bolts, so I just give
them a good yank with hand
> wrenches.
>
> Question - are these stretching,
working loose (with nyloc), or are
> the AN washers, which I find to be fairly
soft, compressing?  I really
> lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts
are loosening.  I know
> the welded diff puts a lot of stress on the system,
but none of the
> hardware on the outer u joints or the drive shaft, all of
which have
> smaller hardware, is loosening, and the events I'm talking about
are
> only hillclimbs - not a lot of driving time at all.
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Oct 19 16:23:03 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:23:03 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Technology
Message-ID: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>

If memory servers me right, I recall Kas was working on
a prototype of this system when he was with Nissan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4



mjb.


From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Mon Oct 19 16:36:46 2009
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:36:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs
Message-ID: <4ADCE9FE.8090505@cfl.rr.com>

All,

Looking for opinions on Dellorto 40 carbs. Properly set up are they big 
enough for a mild race motor? Any parts sources here in the states? I 
know of a set with manifold for sale.

Bob
57 TR3 in process


From brad.kahler at 141.com  Mon Oct 19 16:47:30 2009
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:47:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Technology
In-Reply-To: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
References: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <f99bbf590910191547t5893840aga46bf8b7bb6382cb@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting, after seeing this video it makes me wonder if Kas was
secretly involved in this system as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuhYd9L_d7w

Brad



On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> If memory servers me right, I recall Kas was working on
> a prototype of this system when he was with Nissan:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4
>
>
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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Mon Oct 19 16:48:42 2009
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:48:42 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Technology
Message-ID: <4ADCECCA.9060607@141.com>

Interesting, after seeing this video it makes me wonder if Kas was
secretly involved in this system as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuhYd9L_d7w 
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuhYd9L_d7w>

Brad


From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Oct 19 17:18:06 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:18:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Technology
In-Reply-To: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
References: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <B8CF2A0C32734BE39BBACC9832991A3D@joepentiumnew>

And people wonder why Chrysler is in financial difficulty!

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 3:23 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] Technology

If memory servers me right, I recall Kas was working on
a prototype of this system when he was with Nissan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4



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From kaskas at cox.net  Mon Oct 19 17:51:35 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:51:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Technology
In-Reply-To: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
References: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <B2744B55912C4AC8B100591537D5673F@KasPC>

I never thought this would get out to the public. So much for secrets.!!



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To: "'Friends of Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 3:23 PM
Subject: [Fot] Technology


> If memory servers me right, I recall Kas was working on
> a prototype of this system when he was with Nissan:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4
> 
> 
> 
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From kaskas at cox.net  Mon Oct 19 17:57:03 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:57:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Technology
In-Reply-To: <B8CF2A0C32734BE39BBACC9832991A3D@joepentiumnew>
References: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
	<B8CF2A0C32734BE39BBACC9832991A3D@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <984C4EC562E64DB3A698E212189AF488@KasPC>

They are a really slow pay on the secret stuff that  cannot be put into a 
printed sheet for the public.  That was a teaching video.  Have they 
learned? Well?

The 2010  Kastner Cup was to be in Detroit around the Chrysler Headquarters, 
but that has been taken off the list for now.


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Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Technology


> And people wonder why Chrysler is in financial difficulty!
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 3:23 PM
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> Subject: [Fot] Technology
>
> If memory servers me right, I recall Kas was working on
> a prototype of this system when he was with Nissan:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Oct 19 19:13:41 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:13:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs
In-Reply-To: <4ADCE9FE.8090505@cfl.rr.com>
References: <4ADCE9FE.8090505@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4ADD0EC5.5040802@bradakis.com>

The carbs should be fine for a mild race motor.  They are basically
just like a Weber DCOE, though all the parts are completely different.
We have a customer with many Lotus cars that use Dellorto carbs.
Too bad the jets are different, I have tons of Weber brass, but have to
order in Dellorto stuff as needed and wait for delivery.

I do have a couple new Weber 40s and a used one available if anyone
wants such -  $325 new, $275 used.


mjb.


From stlnyc at msn.com  Mon Oct 19 19:19:50 2009
From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:19:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Technology
In-Reply-To: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
References: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <SNT125-W14902BF32ACF1A7616B6B1DAC00@phx.gbl>

Long live Prof. Irwin Corey!



Fred Hodgson

> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:23:03 -0600
> From: mark at bradakis.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Technology
>
> If memory servers me right, I recall Kas was working on
> a prototype of this system when he was with Nissan:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4
>
>
>
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From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com  Mon Oct 19 20:14:35 2009
From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:14:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Cams
In-Reply-To: <SNT125-W14902BF32ACF1A7616B6B1DAC00@phx.gbl>
References: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
	<SNT125-W14902BF32ACF1A7616B6B1DAC00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE989A252A273@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>

Hi Fot'rs
I am ready to turn my attention back to my stalled GT6 Race car restoration
project and was wondering if the TR6 cams are recommended for the GT6 engine
and what cam that might be. I have high ratio roller rockers and a billet
crank. My goal is SRRA and VARAC racing in the east. Mostly sprint races but
definitely the enduro's too.
Thank you for any help  you might be able to provide
Bill Bartlett
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Oct 19 20:17:38 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:17:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Preliminary video from Hallett yesterday
Message-ID: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>

Fun race, they reversed the grid for this race - slow guys up 
front.  Last video on this page:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm

You will probably need to do a right-click, save as and download the 
file before it will let you play it.

I plan to edit it down to 10 min so I can put it on You Tube.

- Tony Drews


From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Oct 19 20:53:58 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:53:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Technology
References: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
	<SNT125-W14902BF32ACF1A7616B6B1DAC00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F02D340F438440918C25FDFFD4E43E90@Bud>

I forgot all about him!
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred & Mary Hodgson" <stlnyc at msn.com>
To: <mark at bradakis.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Technology


> Long live Prof. Irwin Corey!
> 
> 
> 
> Fred Hodgson
> 
>> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:23:03 -0600
>> From: mark at bradakis.com
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] Technology
>>
>> If memory servers me right, I recall Kas was working on
>> a prototype of this system when he was with Nissan:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4
>>
>>
>>
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 19 21:56:52 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:56:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Preliminary video from Hallett yesterday
In-Reply-To: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>
References: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <172D9573-C322-4B3C-BC39-C98E33FBC939@earthlink.net>

BRILLIANT drive Tony!!! Maybe because it was just yesterday or maybe  
because I was the rabbit, but [to the point where the Porsches and  
Mustangs had gotten by us is as far as I've gotten] some of the best  
race video I've seen.
Glad you're home OK - Tom and I too.
More later,
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Oct 19, 2009, at 8:17 PM, Tony Drews wrote:

> Fun race, they reversed the grid for this race - slow guys up  
> front.  Last video on this page:
> http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm
>
> You will probably need to do a right-click, save as and download  
> the file before it will let you play it.
>
> I plan to edit it down to 10 min so I can put it on You Tube.
>
> - Tony Drews
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 19 22:30:37 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:30:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Preliminary video from Hallett yesterday
In-Reply-To: <172D9573-C322-4B3C-BC39-C98E33FBC939@earthlink.net>
References: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>
	<172D9573-C322-4B3C-BC39-C98E33FBC939@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <527CE24A-10B9-4D24-A830-816F217F4581@earthlink.net>

OK, just saw the 2nd half. The sound of your shifts would tell me  
[without pictures] when you got me in your sights. My favorite part  
is the last 4 seconds - don't cut that part.
GREAT STUFF!

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Oct 19, 2009, at 9:56 PM, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer wrote:

> BRILLIANT drive Tony!!! Maybe because it was just yesterday or  
> maybe because I was the rabbit, but [to the point where the  
> Porsches and Mustangs had gotten by us is as far as I've gotten]  
> some of the best race video I've seen.
> Glad you're home OK - Tom and I too.
> More later,
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
> On Oct 19, 2009, at 8:17 PM, Tony Drews wrote:
>
>> Fun race, they reversed the grid for this race - slow guys up  
>> front.  Last video on this page:
>> http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm
>>
>> You will probably need to do a right-click, save as and download  
>> the file before it will let you play it.
>>
>> I plan to edit it down to 10 min so I can put it on You Tube.
>>
>> - Tony Drews
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Tue Oct 20 09:49:37 2009
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:49:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Technology
In-Reply-To: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
References: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4ADDDC11.5060704@charter.net>

Great video
I use to moonlight as an Automotive Instructor at our local community 
college teaching  the Automatic Transmission Courses.
I use to play this video ( he has a few others) just to see if the 
students would catch on ( some dim bulbs in the group)
By coincidence, we use to use the same trans A604 as the primary 
rebuilding project.

Glenn Franco
72 Spit racer and too many TR's

Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> If memory servers me right, I recall Kas was working on
> a prototype of this system when he was with Nissan:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4
>
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>
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Tue Oct 20 11:10:40 2009
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:10:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Luckiest Racer ever
Message-ID: <F858272B04BF40CDB6A8968A49E14726@your4dacd0ea75>

Check this out

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1923341


From riverside at southslope.net  Tue Oct 20 12:10:04 2009
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:10:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs
References: <4ADCE9FE.8090505@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001501ca51b0$8d2ab240$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>

I think Dave Bean handles parts - i have an old 
parts list from him

art de armond
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob" <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 5:36 PM
Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs


> All,
> 
> Looking for opinions on Dellorto 40 carbs. Properly set up are they big 
> enough for a mild race motor? Any parts sources here in the states? I 
> know of a set with manifold for sale.
> 
> Bob
> 57 TR3 in process
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Tue Oct 20 12:27:39 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:27:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Luckiest Racer ever
In-Reply-To: <F858272B04BF40CDB6A8968A49E14726@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <F858272B04BF40CDB6A8968A49E14726@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <8CC1FCA2373E204-5418-39AD@webmail-d095.sysops.aol.com>

 Dam ... those tree branches are closer to the course than those spectators !


Bob T







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From: Paul MacDonald <macdonaldp at rogers.com>
To: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:10 pm
Subject: [Fot] Luckiest Racer ever










Check this out

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1923341
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue Oct 20 13:22:21 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:22:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Luckiest Racer ever
In-Reply-To: <F858272B04BF40CDB6A8968A49E14726@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <F858272B04BF40CDB6A8968A49E14726@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <61B35D03-F2C0-4892-B535-619AF9185523@bnj.com>

Been there, done that. Only it was in a big tractor clearing brush and  
the wheel picked up a 4" log and speared it through the cab--missed me  
by THIS much

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From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Tue Oct 20 15:16:05 2009
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:16:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] '72 Spit U Joints
Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A6115A8@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>

Afternoon List Members,

Need some help nearly could have killed myself last weekend at Road
Atlanta. Last session of the day on Sunday (the actual race itself). Put
her in reverse and while backing out of my pit the right rear u joint
broke (again). It broke off one of the bearing surfaces, cracked that
cap. Ruined both rear tires as they gouged into the fender lips
shredding the tread off. Damaged one fender a little too.

I had this happen two years ago at home when loading up for a race. Same
thing reverse and let out the clutch and BANG.

Had this happened on turn 12 at race speed ..... makes me very nervous.

Anyway what's the fix I have Sommers Bros axles, and I am pretty sure
the larger GT6 flanges for the u joints, stub axles etc. I tried last
time to find a solid u joint with no grease zerks or grease holes thru
the u joint cross but in checking with  5-6 manufacturers including
Dana-Spicer no one had any.

I like my butt and want this to be safe, butttt I like to go fast too so
I want to get the fix if there is any out there. Please help!!


Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax


From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Oct 20 15:43:41 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:43:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] '72 Spit U Joints
In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A6115A8@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>
References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A6115A8@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>
Message-ID: <D36C019FD8734F44A10C44BFEC885E2A@joepentiumnew>

After installing the Honda engine my autocrosser, I started breaking things
in the rear with great regularity.  Usually on exit of a sharp turn where
the joints are at maximum flex is when the U-Joints would let go.

I tried a number of different brands with little success until I found some
made by DANA Spicer.  After I installed them, I had no more breakage.  (That
is when I discovered the frailty of the diff itself.)

They are not found in your normal parts stores and you might (as I did) have
to go to a driveline specialty shop and have them special order some for
you.

Good Luck,
Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:16 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] '72 Spit U Joints

Afternoon List Members,

Need some help nearly could have killed myself last weekend at Road
Atlanta. Last session of the day on Sunday (the actual race itself). Put
her in reverse and while backing out of my pit the right rear u joint
broke (again). It broke off one of the bearing surfaces, cracked that
cap. Ruined both rear tires as they gouged into the fender lips
shredding the tread off. Damaged one fender a little too.

I had this happen two years ago at home when loading up for a race. Same
thing reverse and let out the clutch and BANG.

Had this happened on turn 12 at race speed ..... makes me very nervous.

Anyway what's the fix I have Sommers Bros axles, and I am pretty sure
the larger GT6 flanges for the u joints, stub axles etc. I tried last
time to find a solid u joint with no grease zerks or grease holes thru
the u joint cross but in checking with  5-6 manufacturers including
Dana-Spicer no one had any.

I like my butt and want this to be safe, butttt I like to go fast too so
I want to get the fix if there is any out there. Please help!!


Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax
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From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Oct 20 16:15:27 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:15:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] '72 Spit U Joints
In-Reply-To: <D36C019FD8734F44A10C44BFEC885E2A@joepentiumnew>
References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A6115A8@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>
	<D36C019FD8734F44A10C44BFEC885E2A@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <C6C2FBBA9F784E9CAA9CDCFC6FD13860@KasPC>

I used some used on fork lifts back when we did the very first forged one 
piece axles. Very strong.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: "'Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info'" 
<info at dieselperformanceparts.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] '72 Spit U Joints


> After installing the Honda engine my autocrosser, I started breaking 
> things
> in the rear with great regularity.  Usually on exit of a sharp turn where
> the joints are at maximum flex is when the U-Joints would let go.
>
> I tried a number of different brands with little success until I found 
> some
> made by DANA Spicer.  After I installed them, I had no more breakage. 
> (That
> is when I discovered the frailty of the diff itself.)
>
> They are not found in your normal parts stores and you might (as I did) 
> have
> to go to a driveline specialty shop and have them special order some for
> you.
>
> Good Luck,
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:16 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] '72 Spit U Joints
>
> Afternoon List Members,
>
> Need some help nearly could have killed myself last weekend at Road
> Atlanta. Last session of the day on Sunday (the actual race itself). Put
> her in reverse and while backing out of my pit the right rear u joint
> broke (again). It broke off one of the bearing surfaces, cracked that
> cap. Ruined both rear tires as they gouged into the fender lips
> shredding the tread off. Damaged one fender a little too.
>
> I had this happen two years ago at home when loading up for a race. Same
> thing reverse and let out the clutch and BANG.
>
> Had this happened on turn 12 at race speed ..... makes me very nervous.
>
> Anyway what's the fix I have Sommers Bros axles, and I am pretty sure
> the larger GT6 flanges for the u joints, stub axles etc. I tried last
> time to find a solid u joint with no grease zerks or grease holes thru
> the u joint cross but in checking with  5-6 manufacturers including
> Dana-Spicer no one had any.
>
> I like my butt and want this to be safe, butttt I like to go fast too so
> I want to get the fix if there is any out there. Please help!!
>
>
> Mark Craig
> Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
> 411 Allied Drive
> Nashville, TN 37211
> 866-455-7788 Phone
> 615-834-9923 Fax
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Oct 20 17:11:34 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:11:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Preliminary video from Hallett yesterday
In-Reply-To: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>
References: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4ADE43A6.80804@pobox.com>

This was scheduled to be a big weekend for Triumphs at Hallett.  Tony 
Drews did the long tow from Illinois, which prompted Greg "Lunker" 
Hilyer to come over from New Mexico and Bob Kramer to come up from 
Texas.  Gary Fuqua rounded out the contingent of TR4s and Bobby 
Whitehead was running his GT6 in a different group.  Gary also organized 
the carport, which was greatly appreciated by all.

Unfortunately, Bob's engine decided to eat its crank scrapper on Friday. 
Gary ran very strong on Tony's tail Saturday, but didn't run Sunday due 
to pain from his shingles.  By Sunday morning, we had the two remaining 
TR4s and Bobby's GT6 running.  Apparently, the three 911 guys and the 
two Mustangs in the race group got bored, so they lobbied for a reversed 
order start on Sunday morning.  I watched the race from the lower 
bleachers, which oversee what I call the "stop and turn left" at the 
bottom of the hill.

Lunkerman Hilyer didn't finish the previous race on Saturday, so he was 
gridded near the front.  Instead of having a rabbit or a carrot to 
chase, they got number 3.14, the "Plum Pi".  Tony was gridded about a 
third of the way back in the pack. First lap around, the pi was behind 
three B sedans and Tony had worked up to eighth or so.  Next time around 
the pi was in front and Tony was fifth.  Then for the next few laps, it 
was the Lunker in front with Tony hot on his tail.  Before long, the 
911s worked through the rest of the pack and we had the two TR4's with 
the 911's and one of the the Mustangs in hot pursuit.  The two little 
Triumphs fought valiantly and held off those nasty Porshes for some 
time, but eventually they succumbed to the newer technology.  After 
that, it was a race to see which Triumph would come out ahead.  They 
fought tooth and nail and Lunker felt the increased pressure as the 
flagman indicated two laps to go.  Both Triumphs went faster and faster, 
but Tony was not able to get around the pi.  They finished with Tony 
glued to the tail of the pi.  For both cars, their fastest lap was the 
last one - both running in the 1:34s.

As a spectator, the race was great fun.  I can imagine how much fun it 
would have been for Tony and Lunker.  Here's a photo taken on about 
about the 5th lap of this 9 lap race.  I've also sent some video clips 
to Tony.  I hope he can work some magic and combine them with his in-car 
video.

http://www.tildentechnologies.com/DSC_0216a.jpg

Larry Young




Tony Drews wrote:
> Fun race, they reversed the grid for this race - slow guys up front.  
> Last video on this page:
> http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm


From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Tue Oct 20 18:08:32 2009
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:08:32 +1100
Subject: [Fot] Racing Triumphant in Australia!
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAALDENVUehEBKk+eRXeuOGncBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>

Kas,

 

Just letting you know that we got hold of the BOSCH fuel pump. It is was a
Porsche; Bosch Pump 984;

Pierburg Brand.

 

We got it into the TR6 along with changing the injectors. Got the car
qualified etc. so that our 12 car Team was ready to go on the Sunday.

 

In the  wash up, 1 team of 6 cars finished 1st place out of 220+ cars (43
teams of all makes/models, modern &old). Winning by a few hundred meters
after 6 hours of racing!!!!!

Our second team  had 2 cars drop out. One through clutch failure and the
other was run into!. This team still managed to finish 7th! So a great day
for Triumph! Especially on the 50th anniversary year!

 

One of our TR7 V8's around the track

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG1BgykSyPw

 

http://www.aroca6hour.org.au/

 

Thanks for all your help.

 

Cheers.

 

Peter Vucinic

TR4 - TSOA VICTORIA Australia

 

 

 

 

From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] 
Sent: Thursday, 15 October 2009 2:21 AM
To: Peter Vucinic
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump

 

The Bosche numbers I have are: 0580 24909  and the other which is more
expensive (a lot more) but I don't think any more effective, 0580 24996. 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Peter <mailto:pvucinic at netspace.net.au>  Vucinic 

To: 'Kas Kastner' <mailto:kaskas at cox.net>  

Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:14 PM

Subject: RE: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump

 

Kas,

Thanks mate! Appreciated. Does 044 ring a bell??


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 20 19:41:59 2009
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:41:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Condenser ?
Message-ID: <BAY123-W23650112BE3FBBDA47F2F3BABF0@phx.gbl>

I run Mallory dual points on both the TR6 and Spitfire. I have never had a
condenser go bad on the TR6. On the Spitfire they don't seem to last. Both use
Mallory #400 condensers. First, is there anything that would cause them to
take a dump more rapidly on one vehicle compared to another? Second, are the
Mallory condensers different than a generic condenser? I can get generics
anytime, sources for the Mallory's are not around the corner when one takes a
dump and I don't have a spare handy.Any opinions out there?

Thanks,
Marty

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From joeg at neb.rr.com  Tue Oct 20 20:44:23 2009
From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:44:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs
In-Reply-To: <mailman.16300.1256011026.3240.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.16300.1256011026.3240.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000901ca51f8$660fc810$0a02a8c0@Guinan>

Bob,

I run Dellorto 40's on my "warm" street Spitfire.  I run 28m chokes, which
provide good low end punch but limit high end breathing.  30mm would let me
over-rev that 1500 engine that does not like high revs.  I'm no carb guru -
but found them pretty easy to adjust for tuning.  I have a good selection of
jets and tubes, and a large collection of written material about tuning.
So, if you decide to go with the Dells, let me know and I'll send copies of
all the document files.  I'd also send my collection of brass so you can
test different main jets, idle jets and accelerator pump jets and their
assorted emulsion tubes.  You could then replace what you use or destroy.
I've found there are some things to watch out for on the Dells - if you're
interested we can take it off the FOT list to avoid boring everyone else.

I used to buy the parts from Matt at Eurocarb, LTD. I see his company is now
called Dellorto Carburatori UK.  Nice web site at
http://www.dellorto.co.uk/.

As Mark said, the Dells are almost the same as Weber DCOE carbs, but use
completely different jets and emulsion tubes.  The Webers are a LOT easier
to get parts for, and there are more people that know how to tune/adjust the
Webers.  People that like Dells will tell you they are better/more
adjustable.  I don't have experience with the Webers that would allow me to
judge.  I'd probably go with Webers if I was to start all over again - just
so much easier to get parts and advice.

Joe Guinan
Fremont, NE
-------------------------------Original
Message---------------------------------
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:36:46 -0400
From: Bob <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>

All,
Looking for opinions on Dellorto 40 carbs. Properly set up are they big
enough for a mild race motor? Any parts sources here in the states? I know
of a set with manifold for sale.
Bob
57 TR3 in process


From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Tue Oct 20 20:58:05 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:58:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Glen race
Message-ID: <00b901ca51fa$506a0640$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

Hi all, the VRG held a race at Watkins Glen last weekend. I considered going,
but didn't for various reasons.
I got a call from a friend who works the Grid; he said they got 4 inches of
snow Friday! Cold as blazes. He wore a snowmobile suit on the Grid!
They ran Saturday after the track dried, but most of the entrants went home.
There were handfulls of cars that gridded and ran.
The organizers cancelled Sunday's schedule, by what my contact told me.
Some you win, and some you don't get dressed for, although under those
circumstances, 4 layers of Nomex would probably be welcomed. I'll take 90
degrees any time!
Bill


From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 21:19:01 2009
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:19:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Condenser ?
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W23650112BE3FBBDA47F2F3BABF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-W23650112BE3FBBDA47F2F3BABF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4ADE7DA5.1030106@gmail.com>

marty sukey wrote:
> I run Mallory dual points on both the TR6 and Spitfire. I have never had a
> condenser go bad on the TR6. On the Spitfire they don't seem to last. Both use
> Mallory #400 condensers. First, is there anything that would cause them to
> take a dump more rapidly on one vehicle compared to another? Second, are the
> Mallory condensers different than a generic condenser? I can get generics
> anytime, sources for the Mallory's are not around the corner when one takes a
> dump and I don't have a spare handy.Any opinions out there?
>
>   
Been there, joined the condenser a week club and discovered that they 
are not cheaper by the dozen.

The problem boils down to the distributor body where it connects to the 
block does not make a reliable ground with Mallory distributors.  Works 
with some distributors but not with others.

The cure is to add a ground wire between the engine and the distributor 
body. 

Now if I can just figure out what to do with this pile of spare 
condensers that have been sitting around for the last couple years.  I 
got quick at swapping condensers along the side of the road though.


Teriann


From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Tue Oct 20 21:59:40 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:59:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Condenser ?
References: <BAY123-W23650112BE3FBBDA47F2F3BABF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00d801ca5202$eb02c540$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Marty, do you use an in-line resistor in both cars? Although the
condensers should be rated for way more than 12 volts.I think the rating is
.28 mfd at 600 volts.
  Is there a small braided ground wire in the distributor between the
breaker plate and the dist body? Or the engine and chassis ground cable?
Kind of grasping at straws here, but you know how British cars and grounds
are.
  I've seem problems with loose condenser mounting screws back in the Dark
Ages.
  As far as Mallory being better than another brand, with todays outsourcing
and quality control (or lack of), who knows. I use Standard brand parts on
my old tractors and they seem fine. And Pertronix on my TR6.
  Good luck, Bill


    ----- Original Message -----
  From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
  To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:41 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Condenser ?


  > I run Mallory dual points on both the TR6 and Spitfire. I have never had
a
  > condenser go bad on the TR6. On the Spitfire they don't seem to last.
Both use
  > Mallory #400 condensers. First, is there anything that would cause them
to
  > take a dump more rapidly on one vehicle compared to another? Second, are
the
  > Mallory condensers different than a generic condenser? I can get
generics
  > anytime, sources for the Mallory's are not around the corner when one
takes a
  > dump and I don't have a spare handy.Any opinions out there?
  >
  > Thanks,
  > Marty
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue Oct 20 22:26:57 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:26:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Condenser ?
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W23650112BE3FBBDA47F2F3BABF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-W23650112BE3FBBDA47F2F3BABF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D2A20809-C0AB-4999-894D-628860812D13@bnj.com>

I know this has been covered before, but if you want condensers to  
last you need to sand the case to ensure they get a good ground. the  
coat them with lacquer. You can solder the clamp to the case or just  
use a little contact grease--you can get the stuff at Radio shack.

You could indeed buy a better quality condenser. Industrial condensers  
with two leads instead of a grounded case. Make sure it's high  
voltage, as I recollect you want at least a 400V condenser and it  
should be about .2--.25 microfarads. Not an electrolytic--those are  
polarized. You need a good paper condenser.

Just about any car condenser will work, you could go to napa and ask  
what they have. I generally use Mallory and just sand them. Of course  
right now Peyote has a Pertronics in it. Tony wanted to stick it back  
in. It's working fine. Of course the first time it farts I'm going to  
want points back in the thing. They do seem to be tolerating lower  
voltages a lot better than they used to. I'm still offended that they  
charge extra to put in steering diodes that should have been in place  
to begin with.


On Oct 20, 2009, at 6:41 PM, marty sukey wrote:

> I run Mallory dual points on both the TR6 and Spitfire. I have never  
> had a
> condenser go bad on the TR6. On the Spitfire they don't seem to  
> last. Both use
> Mallory #400 condensers. First, is there anything that would cause  
> them to
> take a dump more rapidly on one vehicle compared to another? Second,  
> are the
> Mallory condensers different than a generic condenser? I can get  
> generics
> anytime, sources for the Mallory's are not around the corner when  
> one takes a
> dump and I don't have a spare handy.Any opinions out there?
>
> Thanks,
> Marty
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue Oct 20 22:31:06 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:31:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs
In-Reply-To: <000901ca51f8$660fc810$0a02a8c0@Guinan>
References: <mailman.16300.1256011026.3240.fot@autox.team.net>
	<000901ca51f8$660fc810$0a02a8c0@Guinan>
Message-ID: <BAACF616-03A2-4D37-84F9-AC619B9E44B7@bnj.com>

Same situation as the Mikuni/Solex weber lookalikes. Functionally  
identical but the brass bits work differently.
On Oct 20, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Joe Guinan wrote:

> Bob,
>
> I run Dellorto 40's on my "warm" street Spitfire.  I run 28m chokes,  
> which
> provide good low end punch but limit high end breathing.  30mm would  
> let me
> over-rev that 1500 engine that does not like high revs.  I'm no carb  
> guru -
> but found them pretty easy to adjust for tuning.  I have a good  
> selection of
> jets and tubes, and a large collection of written material about  
> tuning.
> So, if you decide to go with the Dells, let me know and I'll send  
> copies of
> all the document files.  I'd also send my collection of brass so you  
> can
> test different main jets, idle jets and accelerator pump jets and  
> their
> assorted emulsion tubes.  You could then replace what you use or  
> destroy.
> I've found there are some things to watch out for on the Dells - if  
> you're
> interested we can take it off the FOT list to avoid boring everyone  
> else.
>
> I used to buy the parts from Matt at Eurocarb, LTD. I see his  
> company is now
> called Dellorto Carburatori UK.  Nice web site at
> http://www.dellorto.co.uk/.
>
> As Mark said, the Dells are almost the same as Weber DCOE carbs, but  
> use
> completely different jets and emulsion tubes.  The Webers are a LOT  
> easier
> to get parts for, and there are more people that know how to tune/ 
> adjust the
> Webers.  People that like Dells will tell you they are better/more
> adjustable.  I don't have experience with the Webers that would  
> allow me to
> judge.  I'd probably go with Webers if I was to start all over again  
> - just
> so much easier to get parts and advice.
>
> Joe Guinan
> Fremont, NE
> -------------------------------Original
> Message---------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:36:46 -0400
> From: Bob <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
> Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs
> To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>
> All,
> Looking for opinions on Dellorto 40 carbs. Properly set up are they  
> big
> enough for a mild race motor? Any parts sources here in the states?  
> I know
> of a set with manifold for sale.
> Bob
> 57 TR3 in process
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Tue Oct 20 23:47:05 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:47:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Condenser ?
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W23650112BE3FBBDA47F2F3BABF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-W23650112BE3FBBDA47F2F3BABF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CC20290DE03717-2A50-1BBD8@webmail-m080.sysops.aol.com>

 Seems we've been down this road before.  Mallory condensers going bad for no
apparent reason or a bad production run at the factory.  With everyone
chirping in its this and its that or Mallory is not the way to go.  Well I
have found that it is almost always a BAD GROUND.  When I switched to a
Mallory in my Spit I was concerned about reliability.  Seems a friend with his
TR6 was going through a condenser every time he had the car out and was under
the belief if was bad condensers.  But all the years I have had mine I have
yet to replace any parts, let alone condensers.  Yes, I have several on the
shelf including points, rotors and caps, lot of money on spares.

At the same time I ordered my Mallory I checked with a few electronics friends
of mine and basically assured me that if everything is grounded well a
condenser should never fail.  Maybe after many years of service and cycles of
temperature and moisture changes one could fail.

My advise is to check all the ground connections on the vehicle, especially
body/chassis to the engine and of course the battery.


Best of Luck,
Bob T







-----Original Message-----
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:41 pm
Subject: [Fot] Condenser ?










I run Mallory dual points on both the TR6 and Spitfire. I have never had a
condenser go bad on the TR6. On the Spitfire they don't seem to last. Both
use
Mallory #400 condensers. First, is there anything that would cause them to
take a dump more rapidly on one vehicle compared to another? Second, are the
Mallory condensers different than a generic condenser? I can get generics
anytime, sources for the Mallory's are not around the corner when one takes a
dump and I don't have a spare handy.Any opinions out there?

Thanks,
Marty

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Oct 21 00:46:05 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:46:05 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Racing Triumphant in Australia!
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAALDENVUehEBKk+eRXeuOGncBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAALDENVUehEBKk+eRXeuOGncBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
Message-ID: <001401ca521a$2bddbd60$83993820$@com>

Really great driving.
I like that. Makes me thinking to move on to a TR8. A TR4 never has that
kind of performance.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Peter Vucinic
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Oktober 2009 02:09
An: 'Kas Kastner'
Cc: FOT
Betreff: [Fot] Racing Triumphant in Australia!

Kas,



Just letting you know that we got hold of the BOSCH fuel pump. It is was a
Porsche; Bosch Pump 984;

Pierburg Brand.



We got it into the TR6 along with changing the injectors. Got the car
qualified etc. so that our 12 car Team was ready to go on the Sunday.



In the  wash up, 1 team of 6 cars finished 1st place out of 220+ cars (43
teams of all makes/models, modern &old). Winning by a few hundred meters
after 6 hours of racing!!!!!

Our second team  had 2 cars drop out. One through clutch failure and the
other was run into!. This team still managed to finish 7th! So a great day
for Triumph! Especially on the 50th anniversary year!



One of our TR7 V8's around the track



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG1BgykSyPw



http://www.aroca6hour.org.au/



Thanks for all your help.



Cheers.



Peter Vucinic

TR4 - TSOA VICTORIA Australia









From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, 15 October 2009 2:21 AM
To: Peter Vucinic
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump



The Bosche numbers I have are: 0580 24909  and the other which is more
expensive (a lot more) but I don't think any more effective, 0580 24996.

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From: Peter <mailto:pvucinic at netspace.net.au>  Vucinic

To: 'Kas Kastner' <mailto:kaskas at cox.net>

Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:14 PM

Subject: RE: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump



Kas,

Thanks mate! Appreciated. Does 044 ring a bell??
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 21 04:29:44 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 03:29:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Preliminary video from Hallett yesterday
In-Reply-To: <4ADE43A6.80804@pobox.com>
References: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>
	<4ADE43A6.80804@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <625365.98140.qm@web80807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Larry,

Nice shot. A couple of questions. Why is the yellow flag being
displayed? Is there
something out of picture? Also, does the cable really help
the bucket truck keep
from tipping? It doesn't seem to stable.

Thanks,

Doug
________________________________
From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
To:
Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
Cc: gctok <gctok at cox.net>; Sam Clark
<TRDOCTOR at aol.com>; FOT <fot at autox.team.net>; Tom Young <saabhuman at aim.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Preliminary
video from Hallett yesterday

This was scheduled to be a big weekend for
Triumphs at Hallett.  Tony Drews did the long tow from Illinois, which
prompted Greg "Lunker" Hilyer to come over from New Mexico and Bob Kramer to
come up from Texas.  Gary Fuqua rounded out the contingent of TR4s and Bobby
Whitehead was running his GT6 in a different group.  Gary also organized the
carport, which was greatly appreciated by all.

Unfortunately, Bob's engine
decided to eat its crank scrapper on Friday. Gary ran very strong on Tony's
tail Saturday, but didn't run Sunday due to pain from his shingles.  By Sunday
morning, we had the two remaining TR4s and Bobby's GT6 running.  Apparently,
the three 911 guys and the two Mustangs in the race group got bored, so they
lobbied for a reversed order start on Sunday morning.  I watched the race from
the lower bleachers, which oversee what I call the "stop and turn left" at the
bottom of the hill.

Lunkerman Hilyer didn't finish the previous race on
Saturday, so he was gridded near the front.  Instead of having a rabbit or a
carrot to chase, they got number 3.14, the "Plum Pi".  Tony was gridded about
a third of the way back in the pack. First lap around, the pi was behind three
B sedans and Tony had worked up to eighth or so.  Next time around the pi was
in front and Tony was fifth.  Then for the next few laps, it was the Lunker in
front with Tony hot on his tail.  Before long, the 911s worked through the
rest of the pack and we had the two TR4's with the 911's and one of the the
Mustangs in hot pursuit.  The two little Triumphs fought valiantly and held
off those nasty Porshes for some time, but eventually they succumbed to the
newer technology.  After that, it was a race to see which Triumph would come
out ahead.  They fought tooth and nail and Lunker felt the increased pressure
as the flagman indicated two laps to go.  Both Triumphs
 went faster and faster, but Tony was not able to get around the pi.  They
finished with Tony glued to the tail of the pi.  For both cars, their fastest
lap was the last one - both running in the 1:34s.

As a spectator, the race
was great fun.  I can imagine how much fun it would have been for Tony and
Lunker.  Here's a photo taken on about about the 5th lap of this 9 lap race. 
I've also sent some video clips to Tony.  I hope he can work some magic and
combine them with his in-car video.
http://www.tildentechnologies.com/DSC_0216a.jpg

Larry Young




Tony Drews
wrote:
> Fun race, they reversed the grid for this race - slow guys up front. 
Last video on this page:
> http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Oct 21 07:17:23 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:17:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Preliminary video from Hallett yesterday
In-Reply-To: <4ADE43A6.80804@pobox.com>
References: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>
	<4ADE43A6.80804@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3EF1@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Interesting photo - why is the Lotus 7 passing or being passed by the
blue car, while the yellow flagger at the corner is madly waving yellow?
:-)

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Larry Young
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 6:12 PM
To: Tony Drews
Cc: gctok; Sam Clark; FOT; Tom Young
Subject: Re: [Fot] Preliminary video from Hallett yesterday

This was scheduled to be a big weekend for Triumphs at Hallett.  Tony
Drews did the long tow from Illinois, which prompted Greg "Lunker"
Hilyer to come over from New Mexico and Bob Kramer to come up from
Texas.  Gary Fuqua rounded out the contingent of TR4s and Bobby
Whitehead was running his GT6 in a different group.  Gary also organized

the carport, which was greatly appreciated by all.

Unfortunately, Bob's engine decided to eat its crank scrapper on Friday.

Gary ran very strong on Tony's tail Saturday, but didn't run Sunday due
to pain from his shingles.  By Sunday morning, we had the two remaining
TR4s and Bobby's GT6 running.  Apparently, the three 911 guys and the
two Mustangs in the race group got bored, so they lobbied for a reversed

order start on Sunday morning.  I watched the race from the lower
bleachers, which oversee what I call the "stop and turn left" at the
bottom of the hill.

Lunkerman Hilyer didn't finish the previous race on Saturday, so he was
gridded near the front.  Instead of having a rabbit or a carrot to
chase, they got number 3.14, the "Plum Pi".  Tony was gridded about a
third of the way back in the pack. First lap around, the pi was behind
three B sedans and Tony had worked up to eighth or so.  Next time around

the pi was in front and Tony was fifth.  Then for the next few laps, it
was the Lunker in front with Tony hot on his tail.  Before long, the
911s worked through the rest of the pack and we had the two TR4's with
the 911's and one of the the Mustangs in hot pursuit.  The two little
Triumphs fought valiantly and held off those nasty Porshes for some
time, but eventually they succumbed to the newer technology.  After
that, it was a race to see which Triumph would come out ahead.  They
fought tooth and nail and Lunker felt the increased pressure as the
flagman indicated two laps to go.  Both Triumphs went faster and faster,

but Tony was not able to get around the pi.  They finished with Tony
glued to the tail of the pi.  For both cars, their fastest lap was the
last one - both running in the 1:34s.

As a spectator, the race was great fun.  I can imagine how much fun it
would have been for Tony and Lunker.  Here's a photo taken on about
about the 5th lap of this 9 lap race.  I've also sent some video clips
to Tony.  I hope he can work some magic and combine them with his in-car

video.

http://www.tildentechnologies.com/DSC_0216a.jpg

Larry Young




Tony Drews wrote:
> Fun race, they reversed the grid for this race - slow guys up front.
> Last video on this page:
> http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Oct 21 08:26:00 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:26:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Preliminary video from Hallett yesterday
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3EF1@svr-exch01.mccarty-
	law.com>
References: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>
	<4ADE43A6.80804@pobox.com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3EF1@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <20091021142653.A472718765F@autox.team.net>

The Lotus is the passer, the blue car the passee, and they just 
crested a hill to see the waving yellow.  There's a car off to 
drivers right off the bottom of the shot - he pulled safely off the track.

- Tony

At 08:17 AM 10/21/2009, Barr, Scott wrote:
>Interesting photo - why is the Lotus 7 passing or being passed by the
>blue car, while the yellow flagger at the corner is madly waving yellow?
>:-)
>
>Scott


From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Oct 21 08:40:01 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:40:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs
In-Reply-To: <4ADCE9FE.8090505@cfl.rr.com>
References: <4ADCE9FE.8090505@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20091021144050.6351618765F@autox.team.net>

As far as the "big enough for a mild race motor", the answer is 
yes.  However the top guys seem to run weber 45 DCOE's - I've got a 
set on the shelf that I'm considering installing.  In my non-mild 
race motor, the 42's (really 40's inside) aren't quite big enough (I think).

- Tony Drews

At 05:36 PM 10/19/2009, Bob wrote:
>All,
>
>Looking for opinions on Dellorto 40 carbs. Properly set up are they 
>big enough for a mild race motor? Any parts sources here in the 
>states? I know of a set with manifold for sale.
>
>Bob
>57 TR3 in process
>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Oct 21 20:48:01 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:48:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Re-nomination - John Wagner
Message-ID: <20091022024852.33FB318764B@autox.team.net>

John Wagner dropped off of the FOT in a computer swap - I assume his 
e-mail address changed.  It is now J.Wags63 at yahoo.com.  He keeps John 
Frederici's (I always spell that wrong) TR-3 on the track.

Can we get John back in the good graces of unix land?  :)

Thanks, Tony Drews


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Oct 21 21:17:47 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:17:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Re-nomination - John Wagner
In-Reply-To: <20091022024852.33FB318764B@autox.team.net>
References: <20091022024852.33FB318764B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4ADFCEDB.3080604@bradakis.com>

> Can we get John back in the good graces of unix land?  :)

It is so.


mjb.


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Wed Oct 21 21:19:20 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:19:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Re-nomination - John Wagner
In-Reply-To: <20091022024852.33FB318764B@autox.team.net>
References: <20091022024852.33FB318764B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000601ca52c6$73283ea0$5978bbe0$@com>

Gladly second that.  John has been quite helpful to us as he also lives in
Fond du Lac.

Tim Murphy

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:48 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: j.wags63 at yahoo.com
Subject: [Fot] Re-nomination - John Wagner

John Wagner dropped off of the FOT in a computer swap - I assume his 
e-mail address changed.  It is now J.Wags63 at yahoo.com.  He keeps John 
Frederici's (I always spell that wrong) TR-3 on the track.

Can we get John back in the good graces of unix land?  :)

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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Thu Oct 22 05:10:52 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:10:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: most of my Can-Am pics
Message-ID: <014301ca5308$51d0e990$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Hi all. This isn't Triumph related, but it is race related. It's from an old
pal of mine from the early '70's who put some photos on his Facebook site.
Quite interesting.
  What would those cars be worth today?
  BTW, I'm in a few of them. Nice looking blond in some of them also.
  Bill ----- Original Message -----
  From: mike andrews
  To: WILLIAM TOBIN
  Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:05 PM
  Subject: most of my Can-Am pics


  http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=12859&id=1675339458&l=4101ca2578

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From j.wags63 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 22 14:21:10 2009
From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:21:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] re-nomination
Message-ID: <167036.52069.qm@web59510.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

     Thanks Tony for getting me back on FOT.
In 1992 I met John Fridirici,and he asked me to take a look at his race car(something about the rearend). So I went over to his
place  and there sat this brick, painted plumb crazy purple and a grill that looked like big fat lip. Then he told me it had a 4cyl. tractor engine for power.I thought,  "O dear what did I get into". My kind of racing was a big block chevy rear engine rail. Well we have been racing and having fun ever since,and along the way I got to know guys like Mike Belfer ,and Jack Drews both aways willing to help with any thing I would ask.
     So enough about me. At the Fall race at RA we had a wrist pin C lock leave home causing death and distrution to said tractor
engine. What I would like to know is ,what is the hot setup for pistons.      flat tops, domes, coatings (side and tops) compression height and most of all brand.
     thank you
    Just the  wrench
    John Wagner
    j.wags at yahoo.com


From horizonracing at msn.com  Thu Oct 22 14:38:43 2009
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:38:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: most of my Can-Am pics
In-Reply-To: <014301ca5308$51d0e990$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
References: <014301ca5308$51d0e990$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W28337D34387D7D183795B6B2BE0@phx.gbl>

Bill,

Great stuff ! send more! I work and race on a McLaren M8c, so this topic is
REALLY cool.



Tony

> From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:10:52 -0400
> Subject: [Fot] Fw: most of my Can-Am pics
>
> Hi all. This isn't Triumph related, but it is race related. It's from an
old
> pal of mine from the early '70's who put some photos on his Facebook site.
> Quite interesting.
> What would those cars be worth today?
> BTW, I'm in a few of them. Nice looking blond in some of them also.
> Bill ----- Original Message -----
> From: mike andrews
> To: WILLIAM TOBIN
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:05 PM
> Subject: most of my Can-Am pics
>
>
> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=12859&id=1675339458&l=4101ca2578
>
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From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Oct 22 15:26:40 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:26:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: most of my Can-Am pics
In-Reply-To: <BLU136-W28337D34387D7D183795B6B2BE0@phx.gbl>
References: <014301ca5308$51d0e990$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
	<BLU136-W28337D34387D7D183795B6B2BE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330910221426h15ff18abp41e2fec8b2bd6109@mail.gmail.com>

oooohhhh, aaaahhhhh!

Those reminded me of my favourite CanAm bench racing story heard at an SCCA
National Convention...Oscar Kovaleski driving his McLaren _to_ (yes, to, not
at) Watkins Glen after suffering a trailer problem.

I can only imagine it.




On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey <
horizonracing at msn.com> wrote:

> Bill,
>
> Great stuff ! send more! I work and race on a McLaren M8c, so this topic is
> REALLY cool.
>
>
>
> Tony
>
> > From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net
> > To: fot at autox.team.net
> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:10:52 -0400
> > Subject: [Fot] Fw: most of my Can-Am pics
> >
> > Hi all. This isn't Triumph related, but it is race related. It's from an
> old
> > pal of mine from the early '70's who put some photos on his Facebook
> site.
> > Quite interesting.
> > What would those cars be worth today?
> > BTW, I'm in a few of them. Nice looking blond in some of them also.
> > Bill ----- Original Message -----
> > From: mike andrews
> > To: WILLIAM TOBIN
> > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:05 PM
> > Subject: most of my Can-Am pics
> >
> >
> > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=12859&id=1675339458&l=4101ca2578
> >
> > --
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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Oct 22 15:58:40 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:58:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: most of my Can-Am pics
References: <014301ca5308$51d0e990$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae><BLU136-W28337D34387D7D183795B6B2BE0@phx.gbl>
	<d9f7bd330910221426h15ff18abp41e2fec8b2bd6109@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B2589B2AB9794D67BB56097745109DF0@Bud>

those were terrific days...It was so cool to race in regionals as support 
races for those guys..
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "robert bownes" <bownes at seiri.com>
To: "Tony and Annie Garmey" <horizonracing at msn.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: most of my Can-Am pics


> oooohhhh, aaaahhhhh!
>
> Those reminded me of my favourite CanAm bench racing story heard at an 
> SCCA
> National Convention...Oscar Kovaleski driving his McLaren _to_ (yes, to, 
> not
> at) Watkins Glen after suffering a trailer problem.
>
> I can only imagine it.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey <
> horizonracing at msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>>
>> Great stuff ! send more! I work and race on a McLaren M8c, so this topic 
>> is
>> REALLY cool.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> > From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net
>> > To: fot at autox.team.net
>> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:10:52 -0400
>> > Subject: [Fot] Fw: most of my Can-Am pics
>> >
>> > Hi all. This isn't Triumph related, but it is race related. It's from 
>> > an
>> old
>> > pal of mine from the early '70's who put some photos on his Facebook
>> site.
>> > Quite interesting.
>> > What would those cars be worth today?
>> > BTW, I'm in a few of them. Nice looking blond in some of them also.
>> > Bill ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: mike andrews
>> > To: WILLIAM TOBIN
>> > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:05 PM
>> > Subject: most of my Can-Am pics
>> >
>> >
>> > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=12859&id=1675339458&l=4101ca2578
>> >
>> > --
>> > mka
>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> > http://www.facebook.com/mike.andrews
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Sun Oct 25 15:53:48 2009
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:53:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Glen race
In-Reply-To: <00b901ca51fa$506a0640$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
References: <00b901ca51fa$506a0640$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <6809CD1070DB43C2A077B18EA967D542@INSPIRON>

Does anyone have a line on what went on in Millvile N J last weekend ? 
thanks
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" <william.tobin3 at verizon.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:58 PM
Subject: [Fot] Glen race


> Hi all, the VRG held a race at Watkins Glen last weekend. I considered 
> going,
> but didn't for various reasons.
> I got a call from a friend who works the Grid; he said they got 4 inches 
> of
> snow Friday! Cold as blazes. He wore a snowmobile suit on the Grid!
> They ran Saturday after the track dried, but most of the entrants went 
> home.
> There were handfulls of cars that gridded and ran.
> The organizers cancelled Sunday's schedule, by what my contact told me.
> Some you win, and some you don't get dressed for, although under those
> circumstances, 4 layers of Nomex would probably be welcomed. I'll take 90
> degrees any time!
> Bill
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 23 18:09:42 2009
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:09:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
Message-ID: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

The car is getting closer.  The engine is back the fuel cell is installed the
additions to the roll cage are almost completed.

I am looking for imput on
the distributor.  My engine guy said the weights on the distributor seem to be
stuck.  I have not taken it apart to see what the deal is.  With all that said
is there suggestion on what I should do with the distributor.  Should I get
this one rebuilt.  Should I buy a new one? Should I do the pertronix
distributor? 

Thanks

Mike
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From billb at bnj.com  Fri Oct 23 18:25:51 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:25:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
In-Reply-To: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CCF103A-6E1F-49DC-9EFB-846BC3073AB6@bnj.com>

Assuming you have a Lucas disty, it needs to be rebuilt before you use  
it in a serious motor. A pertronix will help, but the advance needs to  
work and the curve needs to be right. Also nice if the shaft isn't  
wobbling
On Oct 23, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Mike Mehl wrote:

> The car is getting closer.  The engine is back the fuel cell is  
> installed the
> additions to the roll cage are almost completed.
>
> I am looking for imput on
> the distributor.  My engine guy said the weights on the distributor  
> seem to be
> stuck.  I have not taken it apart to see what the deal is.  With all  
> that said
> is there suggestion on what I should do with the distributor.   
> Should I get
> this one rebuilt.  Should I buy a new one? Should I do the pertronix
> distributor?
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Fri Oct 23 20:13:39 2009
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:13:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
In-Reply-To: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca544f$9a978010$cfc68030$@racer@comcast.net>

Mike:

As part of your research, I'd recommend you contact Jeff at Advanced
Distributor (www.advanceddistributors.com) in Minnesota.  He was recommended
to me by Joe Alexander.  I had a dual-point Mallory distributor go bad and
after talking with Jeff, decided to buy one of his rebuilt, Pertronix
equipped, Lucas units with an advance curve tailor made for my 1962 TR4
vintage racer.  Price was $225, vintage correct, works like a charm and
promptly delivered.  Jeff supplies advance spec on outside of package so you
know how to install it and he can also supply spare parts for the Lucas
(cap, rotor, etc) and provide a trade in for your old Lucas unit if you have
one to send. He also recommended Magnecor spark plug wires which I bought
directly from Magnecor.

Worth checking out.  I have no financial interest, just a recommendation for
a good supplier.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mike Mehl
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 5:10 PM
To: Triumph Friends of
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed

The car is getting closer.  The engine is back the fuel cell is installed
the
additions to the roll cage are almost completed.

I am looking for imput on
the distributor.  My engine guy said the weights on the distributor seem to
be
stuck.  I have not taken it apart to see what the deal is.  With all that
said
is there suggestion on what I should do with the distributor.  Should I get
this one rebuilt.  Should I buy a new one? Should I do the pertronix
distributor? 

Thanks

Mike
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Oct 23 21:50:11 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:50:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
In-Reply-To: <000001ca544f$9a978010$cfc68030$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<000001ca544f$9a978010$cfc68030$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4AE27973.2030709@bradakis.com>

A pertronix unit replaces the points, it does nothing for the advance.
Get those weights and springs under the plate in working order.

mjb.


From triosan at gmail.com  Sat Oct 24 09:33:54 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:33:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
In-Reply-To: <4AE27973.2030709@bradakis.com>
References: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<4AE27973.2030709@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0910240833u690f5f7ib4873a9d1a2c26f2@mail.gmail.com>

Pertronix also makes the entire distibutor for the 4 and 6.  Works great.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> A pertronix unit replaces the points, it does nothing for the advance.
> Get those weights and springs under the plate in working order.
>
> mjb.
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From KENMUN at aol.com  Sat Oct 24 13:07:36 2009
From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:07:36 EDT
Subject: [Fot] water in the oil
Message-ID: <d60.5bd46ac4.3814aa78@aol.com>

fot, i just finished a rebuild on my tr3 race motor. i ran it for about 1  
hr. and was very disappointed to find water in the oil. the water appears as 
 drops in the oil on top of the head. there is a milky film inside the 
valve  cover, there was about 1 qrt of water that came out first when i drained 
the  oil. also the water seems to be leaking out at the rate of 1 table 
spoon/day  even though the car isn't running. it has to be the figure 8 gasket, 
the head  gasket or both right? any tests that i could run to find out 
which? the motor is  87mm,10.5/1 cr, figure 8 gaskets with copper coat, liners up 
.004"/.005",  copper head gasket with a sealant. all ideas, tests, 
theories, suggestions  welcome. anyone successfully running the composite head 
gasket with the head  milled to where the intake pocket is removed? thanks for 
the help, ken  m.


From malaboge at aol.com  Sat Oct 24 13:47:34 2009
From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:47:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] water in the oil
In-Reply-To: <d60.5bd46ac4.3814aa78@aol.com>
References: <d60.5bd46ac4.3814aa78@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC22F9F731C0A5-55C4-EDD0@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com>

Ken-


Does there appear to be more water sitting at the rear of the cyl head when
you take the vc off?  Unfortunately, the block often cracks at the rear stud
and the water immediately finds its way out of the cooling system and up the
stud and onto the head.  Try running it with the vc off and see if water
appears as if by majic at that stud.  If so, try wrapping solid core solder
around the stud betwixt head and washer, put washer and nut back on, re-torque
and pray...
If all that looks good, I'm afraid you've got to repeat everything you just
did with new fo 8's...bummer.


Leakin a little myself...
    Nick in Nor Cal


-----Original Message-----
From: KENMUN at aol.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:07 pm
Subject: [Fot] water in the oil








fot, i just finished a rebuild on my tr3 race motor. i ran it for about 1
hr. and was very disappointed to find water in the oil. the water appears as
 drops in the oil on top of the head. there is a milky film inside the
valve  cover, there was about 1 qrt of water that came out first when i
drained
the  oil. also the water seems to be leaking out at the rate of 1 table
spoon/day  even though the car isn't running. it has to be the figure 8
gasket,
the head  gasket or both right? any tests that i could run to find out
which? the motor is  87mm,10.5/1 cr, figure 8 gaskets with copper coat, liners
up
.004"/.005",  copper head gasket with a sealant. all ideas, tests,
theories, suggestions  welcome. anyone successfully running the composite head
gasket with the head  milled to where the intake pocket is removed? thanks for
the help, ken  m.
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From kaskas at cox.net  Sat Oct 24 14:01:43 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:01:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Mike Munson
Message-ID: <55E947480B8F4FC4BC633620E96DBC49@KasPC>

Please contact me off line Mike. (E-mail) kaskas at cox.net

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Kas Kastner.vcf]


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Oct 24 15:00:56 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:00:56 +0200
Subject: [Fot] water in the oil
In-Reply-To: <d60.5bd46ac4.3814aa78@aol.com>
References: <d60.5bd46ac4.3814aa78@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000901ca54ed$15e286f0$41a794d0$@com>

The block likes to crack at stud #9, often into the area above the tappets.
Difficult to weld.
To find out from where the water comes:
Remove the oil pan and have a look from down stairs into the engine.
Normally water drops are visible.
For the figure 8 gasket I use a thick coat of silicone to insulate the
gasket from contact with water to prevent corrosion. For the steel head
gasket I use a new sealant which worked fine 'till now.

Cheers
Chris

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Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Oktober 2009 21:08
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] water in the oil

fot, i just finished a rebuild on my tr3 race motor. i ran it for about 1
hr. and was very disappointed to find water in the oil. the water appears as

 drops in the oil on top of the head. there is a milky film inside the
valve  cover, there was about 1 qrt of water that came out first when i
drained
the  oil. also the water seems to be leaking out at the rate of 1 table
spoon/day  even though the car isn't running. it has to be the figure 8
gasket,
the head  gasket or both right? any tests that i could run to find out
which? the motor is  87mm,10.5/1 cr, figure 8 gaskets with copper coat,
liners up
.004"/.005",  copper head gasket with a sealant. all ideas, tests,
theories, suggestions  welcome. anyone successfully running the composite
head
gasket with the head  milled to where the intake pocket is removed? thanks
for
the help, ken  m.
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sun Oct 25 12:58:56 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:58:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] False or skewed EGT readings in a TR4
Message-ID: <58DF9E091DCB4B32B3686724B59EC953@hal9000>

I think Im getting false EGT readings due to airflow over the #1 header
tube.

The probes are about 1-1/4 from the flange in #s 1 & 4 tubes.

Im using Mikuni HSR cabs. When jetting, needle settings and pilot air screw
settings

are equal front to rear I get equal EGT front to rear while static. As soon
as I drive the car

or turn on the electric fan then my front EGT reading drops. Thats why I
believe its air

flow over the exhaust and not jetting. By the way, I dont use a fan shroud,
with the Griffin

radiator I dont need it. I fabricated a small shroud for the front tube,

it only had a mild effect.

At wide open my AFR reads 14.6  14.7   In order to keep the rear temps from
going over

1,250  1,300 I have to run in my rear pilot air screw to within = - > turn
from bottom

it really wants to be 1 to 1.5 turns out.

Another bothersome thing is I am using the fattest jet needles made for
those carbs and

I race at 5,000 feet( Colorado). Before I went to the larger

jet needles my temps were 1,300 -1,400 unless I ran the pilot air screw in
to within < - =

from bottom. Im going to the Topeka race next year which is 800 ft above
sea level

so I need to get it worked out by then.

I really dont know what my EGTs are at wide open or at least I dont trust
the readings Im getting.

Does anyone else have this problem and if so how are you dealing with it?


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sun Oct 25 12:59:45 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:59:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW: False or skewed EGT readings in a TR4
Message-ID: <7DD94E24F56B40A5887DCABBE4BDBAB9@hal9000>

  _____

From: Jim Gray [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net]
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 12:59 PM
To: Friends of triumph (fot at autox.team.net)
Subject: False or skewed EGT readings in a TR4



I think Im getting false EGT readings due to airflow over the #1 header
tube.

The probes are about 1-1/4 from the flange in #s 1 & 4 tubes.

Im using Mikuni HSR cabs. When jetting, needle settings and pilot air screw
settings

are equal front to rear I get equal EGT front to rear while static. As soon
as I drive the car

or turn on the electric fan then my front EGT reading drops. Thats why I
believe its air

flow over the exhaust and not jetting. By the way, I dont use a fan shroud,
with the Griffin

radiator I dont need it. I fabricated a small shroud for the front tube,

it only had a mild effect.

At wide open my AFR reads 14.6  14.7   In order to keep the rear temps from
going over

1,250  1,300 I have to run in my rear pilot air screw to within = - > turn
from bottom

it really wants to be 1 to 1.5 turns out.

Another bothersome thing is I am using the fattest jet needles made for
those carbs and

I race at 5,000 feet( Colorado). Before I went to the larger

jet needles my temps were 1,300 -1,400 unless I ran the pilot air screw in
to within < - =

from bottom. Im going to the Topeka race next year which is 800 ft above
sea level

so I need to get it worked out by then.

I really dont know what my EGTs are at wide open or at least I dont trust
the readings Im getting.

Does anyone else have this problem and if so how are you dealing with it?





Oops sent to soon,

Thanks for any input,



Jim G


From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct 25 15:33:19 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:33:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] OT: Simone Smiljanic
Message-ID: <000601ca55ba$c5bcc040$513640c0$@net>

Amici,

I don't know if any of you know Simone, she has been the voice of Control
for
IRL and ALMS for quite a while, and I am sure some of you may have met her
at club races before that.

Simone had a stroke a week ago, 10-17. She is in intensive care at hospital
in
Cincinnati. My understanding is that she will be going to a rehab facility
this
coming week.

If you would like more info, please check out her CaringBridge website at
http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/simonesmiljanic

Cheers,

Doug

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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Oct 25 17:43:43 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:43:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
In-Reply-To: <000001ca544f$9a978010$cfc68030$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<000001ca544f$9a978010$cfc68030$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8CC23E41F02AC77-26CC-336C6@webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com>

I just spent some time with Jeff in Minneapolis....only way to go.

he has found a very valuable niche and does well with it

joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Horstkorta <vintage.racer at comcast.net>
To: 'Mike Mehl' <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; 'Triumph Friends of'
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2009 9:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed



Mike:
As part of your research, I'd recommend you contact Jeff at Advanced
istributor (www.advanceddistributors.com) in Minnesota.  He was recommended
o me by Joe Alexander.  I had a dual-point Mallory distributor go bad and
fter talking with Jeff, decided to buy one of his rebuilt, Pertronix
quipped, Lucas units with an advance curve tailor made for my 1962 TR4
intage racer.  Price was $225, vintage correct, works like a charm and
romptly delivered.  Jeff supplies advance spec on outside of package so you
now how to install it and he can also supply spare parts for the Lucas
cap, rotor, etc) and provide a trade in for your old Lucas unit if you have
ne to send. He also recommended Magnecor spark plug wires which I bought
irectly from Magnecor.
Worth checking out.  I have no financial interest, just a recommendation for
 good supplier.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
ehalf Of Mike Mehl
ent: Friday, October 23, 2009 5:10 PM
o: Triumph Friends of
ubject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
The car is getting closer.  The engine is back the fuel cell is installed
he
dditions to the roll cage are almost completed.
I am looking for imput on
he distributor.  My engine guy said the weights on the distributor seem to
e
tuck.  I have not taken it apart to see what the deal is.  With all that
aid
s there suggestion on what I should do with the distributor.  Should I get
his one rebuilt.  Should I buy a new one? Should I do the pertronix
istributor?
Thanks
Mike
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From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Oct 26 09:17:53 2009
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:17:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
References: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4AE27973.2030709@bradakis.com>
	<8cbd782d0910240833u690f5f7ib4873a9d1a2c26f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001001ca564f$7e326f00$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Anybody ever try is "Smokey's way"/
For serious race engines, Yunick said to ditch
the advance mechanism all together and
lock the thing down.  to start, start to spin engine
over w/ ign off , then turn on ign.
an MG twin cam point plate can be useful if
you can find one.


  art de armond


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From: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>
To: "Mark J Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed


> Pertronix also makes the entire distibutor for the 4 and 6.  Works great.
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> 
> wrote:
>> A pertronix unit replaces the points, it does nothing for the advance.
>> Get those weights and springs under the plate in working order.
>>
>> mjb.
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From mini at wi.rr.com  Mon Oct 26 20:01:59 2009
From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:01:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
Message-ID: <4AE65497.9080205@wi.rr.com>

Just food for thought and discussion!  Given that most British 
distributors will give full advance at 3000 to 3500 RPM, and the speeds 
that most of your race engines run at under race conditions (nether our 
Mini nor the TR6 ever drops below 5000 RPM under race conditions). What 
do you need an "advance curve" for? Set it for full advance at 3500 RPM, 
and forget it!

Richard Gehweiler
Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd.
stonefield at wi.rr.com


From billb at bnj.com  Mon Oct 26 21:34:03 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:34:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
In-Reply-To: <4AE65497.9080205@wi.rr.com>
References: <4AE65497.9080205@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <2EA6EE13-9041-4D8D-9F69-B5BBCD31FF9D@bnj.com>

You can, indeed, but you'll probably have problems with your starter.  
I have enough problems starting my car without doing it against full  
advance. You can add a switch to cut off the ignition until you get  
the motor cranking, but it's been a long time since I had a problem  
with a centrifugal advance.


On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Richard Gehweiler wrote:

> Just food for thought and discussion!  Given that most British  
> distributors will give full advance at 3000 to 3500 RPM, and the  
> speeds that most of your race engines run at under race conditions  
> (nether our Mini nor the TR6 ever drops below 5000 RPM under race  
> conditions). What do you need an "advance curve" for? Set it for  
> full advance at 3500 RPM, and forget it!
>
> Richard Gehweiler
> Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd.
> stonefield at wi.rr.com
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From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Tue Oct 27 00:06:08 2009
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:06:08 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TRactor Rocker shafts oil holes
Message-ID: <000601ca56cb$95976fc0$6401a8c0@blake1>

While disassembling the 5th rocker shaft I have ever disassembled in my
life this evening I had one of these moments where I question why things
are the way they are.  This time it is all centered on the fact that all
5 that I have taken apart show extreme wear on the bottom of the shaft,
but minimal to no wear on the top.  I am sure many of you are familiar
with the wear pattern.  These look to be the result of the bushings
cutting into the shaft and it makes sense that they occur on the bottom
because that is the loaded side of bearing surface.  The oil feed holes
in the shaft are located between the bushings on the top side of the
shaft which line up with the holes in the rocker arms I assume to splash
some oil onto the valve tips.  Why didn't they use oil holes on the
bottom of the shafts to lubricate the critical bearing surface?  Has
anyone tried this?
 
The new shaft that I have on the bench waiting assembly is one of the
readily available harden shafts.  Does it make sense to get that hard
chrome platted as well?  Anyone have a good resource for that service?
 
Probably over thinking this simple assembly.  Rollers would be nice.
 
Greg


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 26 23:34:25 2009
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:34:25 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TRactor Rocker shafts oil holes
In-Reply-To: <000601ca56cb$95976fc0$6401a8c0@blake1>
References: <000601ca56cb$95976fc0$6401a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <2D9044F2-547C-4A16-BC76-2BE86A6DAF6E@earthlink.net>

I enjoyed reading this.  I bet they put the feed hole at the top so  
that the oil would flow downwards and reach the bottom via gravity.   
Did you notice how small the single oil feed hole is at the top of the  
cyl head?  I have a shaft with plenty of wear pattern at the bottom as  
you describe but I think the rocker shafts last for a very long time.   
The key is to support the shaft on both ends so that it won't bend or  
break.  I too have a new hardened shaft to experiment with.  Not sure  
but I have a hunch that chroming it could possibly make the shaft more  
brittle or, if it ever did flex slightly, could the chrome plating  
possibly flake and find its way into the oil system?

~Steve


On Oct 26, 2009, at 11:06 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:

> While disassembling the 5th rocker shaft I have ever disassembled in  
> my
> life this evening I had one of these moments where I question why  
> things
> are the way they are.  This time it is all centered on the fact that  
> all
> 5 that I have taken apart show extreme wear on the bottom of the  
> shaft,
> but minimal to no wear on the top.  I am sure many of you are familiar
> with the wear pattern.  These look to be the result of the bushings
> cutting into the shaft and it makes sense that they occur on the  
> bottom
> because that is the loaded side of bearing surface.  The oil feed  
> holes
> in the shaft are located between the bushings on the top side of the
> shaft which line up with the holes in the rocker arms I assume to  
> splash
> some oil onto the valve tips.  Why didn't they use oil holes on the
> bottom of the shafts to lubricate the critical bearing surface?  Has
> anyone tried this?
>
> The new shaft that I have on the bench waiting assembly is one of the
> readily available harden shafts.  Does it make sense to get that hard
> chrome platted as well?  Anyone have a good resource for that service?
>
> Probably over thinking this simple assembly.  Rollers would be nice.
>
> Greg
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From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com  Tue Oct 27 02:20:41 2009
From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:20:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR/Gt6 compressin ratios and bearngs
In-Reply-To: <2D9044F2-547C-4A16-BC76-2BE86A6DAF6E@earthlink.net>
References: <000601ca56cb$95976fc0$6401a8c0@blake1>
	<2D9044F2-547C-4A16-BC76-2BE86A6DAF6E@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE989C5844507@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>

Hi Fot'rs
I am still working on the GT6 motor and was wondering what compression ratios
people are running in their 6 banger engines, and what bearings are being
used. I am hearing that there are no lead indium racing bearings for the GT6
and as a result one needs to run stock bearings. Also that due to an
inefficient combustion chamber that it is better to keep the compression ratio
in the low 12's vs approaching 13 to help the flame spread and reduce
detonation by reducing height of the piston intruder.
Thoughts?
Hope everyone had a good season
Bill
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Oct 27 05:46:12 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:46:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
References: <4AE65497.9080205@wi.rr.com>
	<2EA6EE13-9041-4D8D-9F69-B5BBCD31FF9D@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <D978A541E24648BCB21ACD2068AE7437@latitudefb1e41>

True dat.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
To: "Richard Gehweiler" <mini at wi.rr.com>
Cc: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] "Smokey's way"


> You can, indeed, but you'll probably have problems with your starter.  
> I have enough problems starting my car without doing it against full  
> advance. You can add a switch to cut off the ignition until you get  
> the motor cranking, but it's been a long time since I had a problem  
> with a centrifugal advance.
> 
> 
> On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Richard Gehweiler wrote:
> 
>> Just food for thought and discussion!  Given that most British  
>> distributors will give full advance at 3000 to 3500 RPM, and the  
>> speeds that most of your race engines run at under race conditions  
>> (nether our Mini nor the TR6 ever drops below 5000 RPM under race  
>> conditions). What do you need an "advance curve" for? Set it for  
>> full advance at 3500 RPM, and forget it!
>>
>> Richard Gehweiler
>> Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd.
>> stonefield at wi.rr.com
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Tue Oct 27 06:15:27 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:15:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR/Gt6 compressin ratios and bearngs
Message-ID: <d69.50385598.38183e5f@aol.com>

The heavy duty King bearings are about the best we can get nowadays.
 
 
In a message dated 10/27/2009 1:21:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com writes:

Hi  Fot'rs
I am still working on the GT6 motor and was wondering what  compression 
ratios
people are running in their 6 banger engines, and what  bearings are being
used. I am hearing that there are no lead indium racing  bearings for the 
GT6
and as a result one needs to run stock bearings. Also  that due to an
inefficient combustion chamber that it is better to keep the  compression 
ratio
in the low 12's vs approaching 13 to help the flame  spread and reduce
detonation by reducing height of the piston  intruder.
Thoughts?
Hope everyone had a good season
Bill
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Oct 27 07:18:38 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:18:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Edited Hallett Video on You Tube
Message-ID: <20091027131853.56AC918764B@autox.team.net>

I edited the race footage down to the 10 minute You Tube limit and put it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5uJLTLrXOk&feature=youtube_gdata

Used Windows Live Movie Maker to edit and post it, I think the 
quality came out very nice.

Cheers, Tony Drews


From Group44TR7 at aol.com  Tue Oct 27 07:59:48 2009
From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:59:48 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Please restore Booby Cee to FOT Email List
Message-ID: <c33.62a4a809.381856d4@aol.com>

Mark
 
        Would you please restore  Bobby to the FOT email list. 
 
        Thank you.
 
Cary


From Group44TR7 at aol.com  Tue Oct 27 08:03:47 2009
From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:03:47 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Chris Swingler - Australian Contacts
Message-ID: <cc5.622f4668.381857c3@aol.com>

Hi All
 
        I have been attempting to  reach Chris Swingler for awhile now. 
Unusual for him not to respond, anyone know  how I can reach him?
 
Cary. 


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue Oct 27 10:58:40 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:58:40 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Edited Hallett Video on You Tube
In-Reply-To: <20091027131853.56AC918764B@autox.team.net>
References: <20091027131853.56AC918764B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <BLU116-W206EAD9D1E2DEE6F5D0FCA90B90@phx.gbl>

Another 10 minutes of my work day gone but I do love TR4's,  looks like you
guys had a great time.  All I can say is I'm green with envy!   Cheers Henry
Morrison





> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:18:38 -0500
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> From: tony at tonydrews.com
> Subject: [Fot] Edited Hallett Video on You Tube
>
> I edited t4e race footage down to the 10 minute You Tube limit and put it
here:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5uJLTLrXOk&feature=youtube_gdata
>
> Used Windows Live Movie Maker to edit and post it, I think the
> quality came out very nice.
>
> Cheers, Tony Drews
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From mini at wi.rr.com  Tue Oct 27 20:06:08 2009
From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:06:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
Message-ID: <4AE7A710.7040400@wi.rr.com>

Just a note of clarification on my previous post, I was not referring to 
disabling the advance, merely timing the engine to give the desired 
amount of full advance at speed (3000 to 3500 RPM). You can easily start 
the engine, but because the engine (on the track) never gets below 4000 
to 5000 RPM, the "advance curve" is not an issue. On the track, you are 
always at full advance. Why go through all the work of  getting a 
distributor dialed in with the correct advance curve, if the engine 
lives at full advance?......This is for a race engine, a street engine 
is an entirely different matter.


Richard Gehweiler
Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd.
stonefield at wi.rr.com


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Tue Oct 27 23:16:10 2009
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:16:10 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TRactor Rocker shafts oil holes
In-Reply-To: <2D9044F2-547C-4A16-BC76-2BE86A6DAF6E@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000001ca578d$c37e25b0$6401a8c0@blake1>

I guess I am not the only one that thinks about such things.  I talked
with Garry?? at Rocker Arm Specialist in CA today.  He said that most of
the shafts they work with have the oil feed holes at 6 O'clock.  Makes
sense to me.

Anyways, sounds like they do some interesting things to address the lack
of shaft lubrication (twss) and wear issues on our up-side-down rocker
gear.  Sending parts his way tomorrow.

Thanks for the contact.

Greg 

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Belfer [mailto:colordog.1 at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:34 PM
To: Greg & Alison Blake
Cc: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] TRactor Rocker shafts oil holes

I enjoyed reading this.  I bet they put the feed hole at the top so  
that the oil would flow downwards and reach the bottom via gravity.   
Did you notice how small the single oil feed hole is at the top of the  
cyl head?  I have a shaft with plenty of wear pattern at the bottom as  
you describe but I think the rocker shafts last for a very long time.   
The key is to support the shaft on both ends so that it won't bend or  
break.  I too have a new hardened shaft to experiment with.  Not sure  
but I have a hunch that chroming it could possibly make the shaft more  
brittle or, if it ever did flex slightly, could the chrome plating  
possibly flake and find its way into the oil system?

~Steve


On Oct 26, 2009, at 11:06 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:

> While disassembling the 5th rocker shaft I have ever disassembled in  
> my
> life this evening I had one of these moments where I question why  
> things
> are the way they are.  This time it is all centered on the fact that  
> all
> 5 that I have taken apart show extreme wear on the bottom of the  
> shaft,
> but minimal to no wear on the top.  I am sure many of you are familiar
> with the wear pattern.  These look to be the result of the bushings
> cutting into the shaft and it makes sense that they occur on the  
> bottom
> because that is the loaded side of bearing surface.  The oil feed  
> holes
> in the shaft are located between the bushings on the top side of the
> shaft which line up with the holes in the rocker arms I assume to  
> splash
> some oil onto the valve tips.  Why didn't they use oil holes on the
> bottom of the shafts to lubricate the critical bearing surface?  Has
> anyone tried this?
>
> The new shaft that I have on the bench waiting assembly is one of the
> readily available harden shafts.  Does it make sense to get that hard
> chrome platted as well?  Anyone have a good resource for that service?
>
> Probably over thinking this simple assembly.  Rollers would be nice.
>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Oct 28 01:55:13 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:55:13 +0100
Subject: [Fot] water in the oil
In-Reply-To: <c2f.5b439126.38188c6d@aol.com>
References: <c2f.5b439126.38188c6d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001801ca57a3$fc94b3d0$f5be1b70$@com>

Ken,
 
I use 
 
http://wueko.wuerth.com/cgi-bin/wu_proddetailpdfframe.pl?7866521761545336210
9;SHOWDETAIL;;0893260100;0000;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;12567164421532
 
Same link, different written:
 
 
<http://wueko.wuerth.com/cgi-bin/wu_proddetailpdfframe.pl?786652176154533621
09;SHOWDETAIL;;0893260100;0000;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;12567164421532>
sealant
 
Cheers
Chris
 
Von: KENMUN at aol.com [mailto:KENMUN at aol.com] 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Oktober 2009 18:48
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Betreff: Re: [Fot] water in the oil
 
chris, thanks for the comments. what's the new sealant you're using? ken m.
 
In a message dated 10/24/2009 5:03:56 P.M. Atlantic Standard Time,
tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
The block likes to crack at stud #9, often into the area above the tappets.
Difficult to weld.
To find out from where the water comes:
Remove the oil pan and have a look from down stairs into the engine.
Normally water drops are visible.
For the figure 8 gasket I use a thick coat of silicone to insulate the
gasket from contact with water to prevent corrosion. For the steel head
gasket I use a new sealant which worked fine 'till now.

Cheers
Chris

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Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Oktober 2009 21:08
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] water in the oil

fot, i just finished a rebuild on my tr3 race motor. i ran it for about 1
hr. and was very disappointed to find water in the oil. the water appears as

drops in the oil on top of the head. there is a milky film inside the
valve  cover, there was about 1 qrt of water that came out first when i
drained
the  oil. also the water seems to be leaking out at the rate of 1 table
spoon/day  even though the car isn't running. it has to be the figure 8
gasket,
the head  gasket or both right? any tests that i could run to find out
which? the motor is  87mm,10.5/1 cr, figure 8 gaskets with copper coat,
liners up
.004"/.005",  copper head gasket with a sealant. all ideas, tests,
theories, suggestions  welcome. anyone successfully running the composite
head
gasket with the head  milled to where the intake pocket is removed? thanks
for
the help, ken  m.
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Wed Oct 28 09:15:46 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:15:46 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Parts needed for projects............
Message-ID: <BLU116-W16585C6479B9B97252038090B80@phx.gbl>

Hello Gang,  My son has laid down the challenge that i can't get my TR4
running by June.  Rather than go through the pain and humiliation of paying
him 50 clams, I am willing to pay nearly any amount for the following parts
that are missing from the project.



(1) exhaust manifold for a '63 TR4.  I think it's the dopey early style most
racers throw away first.



(1) pair of SU carbs for the same.



I also need a pair of good early Spitfire Boot hinges to use as bonnet hinges
on my Elva.





Cheers Henry Morrison,  Snowy (today) Cedar Crest, NM


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Wed Oct 28 09:23:29 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:23:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] distributor advance
In-Reply-To: <4AE7A710.7040400@wi.rr.com>
References: <4AE7A710.7040400@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <195A75EA-904F-43CA-81F4-C87A2119D22A@comcast.net>

As the Mallory owners know, that distributor offers the option of a  
set of different colored springs of varying strength and length, along  
with a nice graph that charts out the advance vs RPM.  Pick your  
spring to match what you want.  I have done exactly what Richard  
suggests - advance goes from zero to full between a few hundred above  
idle,  and 3,000 RPM.   The actual amount of advance is dialed in  
separately through setting the advance limits on the base plate.

On Oct 27, 2009, at 10:06 PM, Richard Gehweiler wrote:

Just a note of clarification on my previous post, I was not referring  
to disabling the advance, merely timing the engine to give the desired  
amount of full advance at speed (3000 to 3500 RPM). You can easily  
start the engine, but because the engine (on the track) never gets  
below 4000 to 5000 RPM, the "advance curve" is not an issue. On the  
track, you are always at full advance. Why go through all the work of   
getting a distributor dialed in with the correct advance curve, if the  
engine lives at full advance?......This is for a race engine, a street  
engine is an entirely different matter.


Richard Gehweiler
Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd.
stonefield at wi.rr.com
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Wed Oct 28 11:13:35 2009
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:13:35 GMT
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
Message-ID: <20091028.131335.5204.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com>

When using a MSD 6AL box with a Mallory distributor I took out the mechanical
advance mechanism and installed a MSD electronic advance, which connects into
the 6AL.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "riverside" <riverside at southslope.net>
To: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>, "Mark J Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: Triumph Friends of <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:17:53 -0500

Anybody ever try is "Smokey's way"/
For serious race engines, Yunick said to ditch
the advance mechanism all together and
lock the thing down.  to start, start to spin engine
over w/ ign off , then turn on ign.
an MG twin cam point plate can be useful if
you can find one.


  art de armond


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>
To: "Mark J Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed


> Pertronix also makes the entire distibutor for the 4 and 6.  Works great.
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
> wrote:
>> A pertronix unit replaces the points, it does nothing for the advance.
>> Get those weights and springs under the plate in working order.
>>
>> mjb.
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed Oct 28 11:24:30 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:24:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Parts needed for projects............
In-Reply-To: <BLU116-W16585C6479B9B97252038090B80@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU116-W16585C6479B9B97252038090B80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00709469-6397-4373-A614-25567498F758@bnj.com>

I've got some SU carbs, you're welcome to them. I also have various  
exhaust manifolds but they are for TR3. Any difference? The fabricated  
manifold for the Ambro is junk to me, would that work?

On Oct 28, 2009, at 8:15 AM, <dos_gusanos at msn.com> wrote:

> Hello Gang,  My son has laid down the challenge that i can't get my  
> TR4
> running by June.  Rather than go through the pain and humiliation of  
> paying
> him 50 clams, I am willing to pay nearly any amount for the  
> following parts
> that are missing from the project.
>
>
>
> (1) exhaust manifold for a '63 TR4.  I think it's the dopey early  
> style most
> racers throw away first.
>
>
>
> (1) pair of SU carbs for the same.
>
>
>
> I also need a pair of good early Spitfire Boot hinges to use as  
> bonnet hinges
> on my Elva.
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers Henry Morrison,  Snowy (today) Cedar Crest, NM
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From stutzmans at comcast.net  Wed Oct 28 17:54:11 2009
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:54:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
In-Reply-To: <4AE7A710.7040400@wi.rr.com>
References: <4AE7A710.7040400@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <98A21AA92B6241FA96A09ADC9BCCB6DD@ComputerPC>

locked out timing is not unusual in the racing world, but as Bill said it 
makes cars very hard to start because you are trying to start the car at 
30-35 degrees of advance.
Bruce
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Gehweiler" <mini at wi.rr.com>
To: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:06 PM
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"


> Just a note of clarification on my previous post, I was not referring to 
> disabling the advance, merely timing the engine to give the desired amount 
> of full advance at speed (3000 to 3500 RPM). You can easily start the 
> engine, but because the engine (on the track) never gets below 4000 to 
> 5000 RPM, the "advance curve" is not an issue. On the track, you are 
> always at full advance. Why go through all the work of  getting a 
> distributor dialed in with the correct advance curve, if the engine lives 
> at full advance?......This is for a race engine, a street engine is an 
> entirely different matter.
>
>
> Richard Gehweiler
> Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd.
> stonefield at wi.rr.com
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From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Oct 28 18:12:45 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:12:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
In-Reply-To: <98A21AA92B6241FA96A09ADC9BCCB6DD@ComputerPC>
References: <4AE7A710.7040400@wi.rr.com>
	<98A21AA92B6241FA96A09ADC9BCCB6DD@ComputerPC>
Message-ID: <07D009B62B8C4DCBAFCA9FDA1543C0B7@KasPC>

I certainly would not to give up looking at the advance curve and say it was 
all over at 3500 rpm.  There is more to it than that.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
To: "Richard Gehweiler" <mini at wi.rr.com>; "Triumph Friends of" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] "Smokey's way"


> locked out timing is not unusual in the racing world, but as Bill said it 
> makes cars very hard to start because you are trying to start the car at 
> 30-35 degrees of advance.
> Bruce
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Gehweiler" <mini at wi.rr.com>
> To: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:06 PM
> Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
>
>
>> Just a note of clarification on my previous post, I was not referring to 
>> disabling the advance, merely timing the engine to give the desired 
>> amount of full advance at speed (3000 to 3500 RPM). You can easily start 
>> the engine, but because the engine (on the track) never gets below 4000 
>> to 5000 RPM, the "advance curve" is not an issue. On the track, you are 
>> always at full advance. Why go through all the work of  getting a 
>> distributor dialed in with the correct advance curve, if the engine lives 
>> at full advance?......This is for a race engine, a street engine is an 
>> entirely different matter.
>>
>>
>> Richard Gehweiler
>> Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd.
>> stonefield at wi.rr.com
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 28 21:51:47 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:51:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up
Message-ID: <775933.68892.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI - there is a guy in South Dakota selling The TR4 ARP Head Stud kits on Ebay for $98.
item # 380164719252

nfi
Dennis


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Oct 29 02:43:31 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:43:31 +0100
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
In-Reply-To: <07D009B62B8C4DCBAFCA9FDA1543C0B7@KasPC>
References: <4AE7A710.7040400@wi.rr.com>
	<98A21AA92B6241FA96A09ADC9BCCB6DD@ComputerPC>
	<07D009B62B8C4DCBAFCA9FDA1543C0B7@KasPC>
Message-ID: <001401ca5873$e6177220$b2465660$@com>

I run a stock distributor and the car  is doing well. Take in account that
the car is sometimes running for a while at the pregrid and waiting for the
start. Small oil pressure with much advance could harm the bearings.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Kas Kastner
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Oktober 2009 01:13
An: Stutzman; Richard Gehweiler; Triumph Friends of
Betreff: Re: [Fot] "Smokey's way"

I certainly would not to give up looking at the advance curve and say it was

all over at 3500 rpm.  There is more to it than that.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
To: "Richard Gehweiler" <mini at wi.rr.com>; "Triumph Friends of"
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] "Smokey's way"


> locked out timing is not unusual in the racing world, but as Bill said it
> makes cars very hard to start because you are trying to start the car at
> 30-35 degrees of advance.
> Bruce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Gehweiler" <mini at wi.rr.com>
> To: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:06 PM
> Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
>
>
>> Just a note of clarification on my previous post, I was not referring to
>> disabling the advance, merely timing the engine to give the desired
>> amount of full advance at speed (3000 to 3500 RPM). You can easily start
>> the engine, but because the engine (on the track) never gets below 4000
>> to 5000 RPM, the "advance curve" is not an issue. On the track, you are
>> always at full advance. Why go through all the work of  getting a
>> distributor dialed in with the correct advance curve, if the engine lives

>> at full advance?......This is for a race engine, a street engine is an
>> entirely different matter.
>>
>>
>> Richard Gehweiler
>> Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd.
>> stonefield at wi.rr.com
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From jeff_durant at comcast.net  Thu Oct 29 10:00:43 2009
From: jeff_durant at comcast.net (jeff_durant at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:00:43 +0000
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
In-Reply-To: <001401ca5873$e6177220$b2465660$@com>
References: <4AE7A710.7040400@wi.rr.com><98A21AA92B6241FA96A09ADC9BCCB6DD@ComputerPC><07D009B62B8C4DCBAFCA9FDA1543C0B7@KasPC><001401ca5873$e6177220$b2465660$@com>
Message-ID: <4533519-1256832019-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-253572476-@bda037.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

My TR6 runs a recurved 22D Lucas dist. and I've have had great luck with it.  I should mention that I own an Allen Distributor machine which makes the rebuilds and recurves pretty straightforward.  Too much advance is hard on the starter (also Lucas) and why disable a decent mechanical advance?  
Jeff Durant
TR6 #12
TR250
TR4A
BSA Lightning
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:43:31 
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] "Smokey's way"

I run a stock distributor and the car  is doing well. Take in account that
the car is sometimes running for a while at the pregrid and waiting for the
start. Small oil pressure with much advance could harm the bearings.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Kas Kastner
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Oktober 2009 01:13
An: Stutzman; Richard Gehweiler; Triumph Friends of
Betreff: Re: [Fot] "Smokey's way"

I certainly would not to give up looking at the advance curve and say it was

all over at 3500 rpm.  There is more to it than that.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
To: "Richard Gehweiler" <mini at wi.rr.com>; "Triumph Friends of"
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] "Smokey's way"


> locked out timing is not unusual in the racing world, but as Bill said it
> makes cars very hard to start because you are trying to start the car at
> 30-35 degrees of advance.
> Bruce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Gehweiler" <mini at wi.rr.com>
> To: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:06 PM
> Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
>
>
>> Just a note of clarification on my previous post, I was not referring to
>> disabling the advance, merely timing the engine to give the desired
>> amount of full advance at speed (3000 to 3500 RPM). You can easily start
>> the engine, but because the engine (on the track) never gets below 4000
>> to 5000 RPM, the "advance curve" is not an issue. On the track, you are
>> always at full advance. Why go through all the work of  getting a
>> distributor dialed in with the correct advance curve, if the engine lives

>> at full advance?......This is for a race engine, a street engine is an
>> entirely different matter.
>>
>>
>> Richard Gehweiler
>> Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd.
>> stonefield at wi.rr.com
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Oct 29 10:55:41 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:55:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Please Read-FOT Stickers & TR6 Hot Wheels]
Message-ID: <4AE9C90D.9060005@bradakis.com>

Joe made a slight error in the address he used when sending this out.

mjb.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Please Read-FOT Stickers & TR6 Hot Wheels
Date: 	Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:57:26 EDT
From: 	N197TR4 at cs.com

	



FOT,

Remember BARRY MUNSON'S introduction? He's the guy from Canada that 
races a P1800 and is preparing a TR3A.

He is so appreciative of being on the list that he sent me  about (30) 
of Competition TR6 Hot Wheel Models (new in package) for the purpose of 
distributing to the FOT!!!!

Dont ask if there is an array of colors.....be surprised!

Here is the deal!  I have an abundance of FOT stickers and we owe Joe 
Curry for them. You send me by PAYPAL or Check  $12.00 and you get (3) 
FOT stickers and (1) TR6 HOT WHEELS.

OUTCOMES:

You get three FOT Logos and one TR6 HOT WHEELS
Joe Curry gets his money back for the sticker inventory
The FOT fund gets EXPENSE MONEY associated with the KASTNER CUP
I get to sort all of this stuff out and ship.   (arrrrgh!)

Finally........We have some really cool guys in Canada, too.

Thanks Barry Munson

PayPal Account is    n197tr4 at cs.com

Address is:

645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648


From mpendy at dishmail.net  Thu Oct 29 23:45:36 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:45:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] conclusion to summer woes
Message-ID: <5F3B19944A8A4E41AABD80C92AF0C5FB@Pendys>

FOT'ers; This past season i seemed to have had a monkey on my back in regards
to ignition issues and fuel delivery, so this is a quick lo-down on what i
ended up finding. As you folks know from past discussion, my problems started
with a faulty crank-fired ign. coil base, the HPV-1 and this was diagnosed
into the third race of the season. After consulting YOU folks for input, i
decided to stay with the crank-fire set-up, it was a toss-up between
converting back to a distributor. So a newer version was purchased, the XDI,
same manufacturer and i actually did follow the instructions to a Tee.(
Yea-it's a first)  The new version has a remote module which i mounted in the
cockpit, and this module has a tiny little light the tells you if the coils
are fireing to the plugs, novel idea! The tiny little light must blink
RED-GREEN when your trying to start-up. Forward ahead, race four, car on
trailer, got time to throw a timeing light on just to to be sure, no start,
can't see this stupid tiny little light due to sun glare. Cranked on it till i
could fry a freeking egg on the starter. Race four? Never got off the
trailer.Fast forward, factory tech. guy says i have to many
grounds......oooookay.So i says, i followed the instr. to a Tee.......really!
Try this he says; take pos. battery cable straight to solinoid, (by-pass main
disc. sw.) solinoid to starter. Now take neg. batt. cable, tie-wrap to
pos.cable that i just ran to starter and ground it as close as possable to
starter. Take off engine to chassis grnd. and take off neg. batt. cable to
tranny mount. He kinda had an accent so i natureally only believed half of
what he was saying......wrong....car fired-up pronto AND that pretty little
light worked as it was supposed to, Gotta check the car out, only thing going
on was the Alfa Rameo track day, Forward,nice weather, car still has a bug at
WOT only on the straights, same thing all morning. Lunch time, to pissed to
eat, and everybody kept their dogs a fair distance from my pit. For peets-sake
, gotta be fuel, off come full bowl caps, check fuel, check floats,everything
good. LOUDSPEAKER, group 1 up, in a panick i pushed the float arms up into
oblivion, off we go, 1'st lap yellow, green comes down and
...................sweeeeeeeet. No kidding, every turn worker at the checkered
flag gave hoots and hollers and big two thumbs up to finally see the 'ol
hotrod tr do it's thing, till next time. Mark Pendy #65tr4


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri Oct 30 05:39:02 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:39:02 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Stickers & TR6 Hot Wheels
Message-ID: <c7c.5c958a52.381c2a56@cs.com>

FOT....I'll try this again....

Canada's Barry Munson donated about 30 Hot Wheels Competition TR6s to the 
FOT

We have about 100 finely produced Joe Curry FOT self-adhesive stickers

We have about 300 folks on this list...some of which would love to display 
the FOT sticker on their race car, tool chest or tow vehicle, if they had 
the opportunity.

I bagged three FOT stickers and the highly collectible TR6 in about (30) 
Zip-Lok bags yesterday and plan to dispense them all.  

It was Barry's intent to just hand the Hot Wheels out to the FOT randomly, 
but it is hard to hand 30 Hot Wheels fairly to 300 List members, so I 
concocted this scheme.

It would be nice if we heard from some folks who dont have any stickers. I 
have already heard from some folks who I know have plenty.

Thanks!   Joe A


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Fri Oct 30 07:40:37 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:40:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] conclusion to summer woes
In-Reply-To: <5F3B19944A8A4E41AABD80C92AF0C5FB@Pendys>
References: <5F3B19944A8A4E41AABD80C92AF0C5FB@Pendys>
Message-ID: <000901ca5966$908b8780$b1a29680$@com>

Just curious as to how you were grounded before?

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mark Pendergrass
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 12:46 AM
To: friends of triumph
Subject: [Fot] conclusion to summer woes

FOT'ers; This past season i seemed to have had a monkey on my back in
regards
to ignition issues and fuel delivery, so this is a quick lo-down on what i
ended up finding. As you folks know from past discussion, my problems
started
with a faulty crank-fired ign. coil base, the HPV-1 and this was diagnosed
into the third race of the season. After consulting YOU folks for input, i
decided to stay with the crank-fire set-up, it was a toss-up between
converting back to a distributor. So a newer version was purchased, the XDI,
same manufacturer and i actually did follow the instructions to a Tee.(
Yea-it's a first)  The new version has a remote module which i mounted in
the
cockpit, and this module has a tiny little light the tells you if the coils
are fireing to the plugs, novel idea! The tiny little light must blink
RED-GREEN when your trying to start-up. Forward ahead, race four, car on
trailer, got time to throw a timeing light on just to to be sure, no start,
can't see this stupid tiny little light due to sun glare. Cranked on it till
i
could fry a freeking egg on the starter. Race four? Never got off the
trailer.Fast forward, factory tech. guy says i have to many
grounds......oooookay.So i says, i followed the instr. to a
Tee.......really!
Try this he says; take pos. battery cable straight to solinoid, (by-pass
main
disc. sw.) solinoid to starter. Now take neg. batt. cable, tie-wrap to
pos.cable that i just ran to starter and ground it as close as possable to
starter. Take off engine to chassis grnd. and take off neg. batt. cable to
tranny mount. He kinda had an accent so i natureally only believed half of
what he was saying......wrong....car fired-up pronto AND that pretty little
light worked as it was supposed to, Gotta check the car out, only thing
going
on was the Alfa Rameo track day, Forward,nice weather, car still has a bug
at
WOT only on the straights, same thing all morning. Lunch time, to pissed to
eat, and everybody kept their dogs a fair distance from my pit. For
peets-sake
, gotta be fuel, off come full bowl caps, check fuel, check
floats,everything
good. LOUDSPEAKER, group 1 up, in a panick i pushed the float arms up into
oblivion, off we go, 1'st lap yellow, green comes down and
...................sweeeeeeeet. No kidding, every turn worker at the
checkered
flag gave hoots and hollers and big two thumbs up to finally see the 'ol
hotrod tr do it's thing, till next time. Mark Pendy #65tr4
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From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Oct 30 18:41:07 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:41:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander..
Message-ID: <9A1E7DC56857439FAF54500F29BBEA8C@Bud>

Hi joe,
I don't seem to have your email address in my address book...I want to give
you my cell # for when you're in the S.F. bay area
Racer Bud..
Spitfire # 21.....Sonoma, Ca.


From dave at microworks.net  Fri Oct 30 19:48:05 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:48:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Joe's Spit Bench
Message-ID: <20091031014909.9BCE1187654@autox.team.net>

I featured Joe Curry's Sput Bench on the cover of this month's newsletter.

November Issue: http://www.dctra.org/News/Nov2009.pdf

Newsletter Archive: http://www.dctra.org/?page_id=32


From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Oct 30 21:28:50 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:28:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Joe's Spit Bench
In-Reply-To: <20091031014909.9BCE1187654@autox.team.net>
References: <20091031014909.9BCE1187654@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <CC41C9586AEF49E28535E9346153280E@joepentiumnew>

It's a "Love Seat", Dave!  :)

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of David W. Riddle
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 6:48 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Joe's Spit Bench

I featured Joe Curry's Sput Bench on the cover of this month's newsletter.

November Issue: http://www.dctra.org/News/Nov2009.pdf

Newsletter Archive: http://www.dctra.org/?page_id=32
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From dave at microworks.net  Fri Oct 30 22:17:48 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:17:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] For the Military
Message-ID: <20091031041851.AB1CA187647@autox.team.net>

My Brother will be graduating from Army Basic this week and then he 
is off to Advanced Infantry School.  For those on the list(s) that 
have a Military background I saw this song referenced on the 
Blackfive milblog today.  iTunes proceeds go to a Military charity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTs6a0ORdQU


From Group44TR7 at aol.com  Sat Oct 31 07:26:31 2009
From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:26:31 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Joe's Spit Bench - "Love Seat"
Message-ID: <d3d.450f5e1f.381d9507@aol.com>

Frequented an eating  establishment back in Bayfield Wisconsin that was a  
daily breakfast hang out for local fisherman. Parked the car outside.  As I 
walked inside, I heard the last of the conversation about my car "So what  
if its attracts women, it ain't got a back seat, so what good is it?"  
Obviously, he would not have made that remark if I had Joe's "love  seat".  
 
        Under the circumstances -  with no love seat - I did the only thing 
possible. I returned the next  morning at the same time with my date for 
the weekend knowing the same  group of fisherman would be there. My date, who 
was a 5' 10"  model, was very sporting about the whole situation. She could 
not have  played the situation any better from her choice of clothes to her 
hanging on me  as we walked to the door. As we entered the establishment, I 
looked directly at  the man who made the remark, at which point the other 
fisherman at his  table erupted with laughter. 
 
        Cary


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Oct 31 08:59:06 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:59:06 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Joe's Spit Bench - "Love Seat"
Message-ID: <c6a.5e8d0d82.381daaba@cs.com>

You betcha, Cary, 

But did you catch any fish?


> Frequented an eating  establishment back in Bayfield Wisconsin that was a 
>  
> daily breakfast hang out for local fisherman. Parked the car outside.  As 
> I 
> walked inside, I heard the last of the conversation about my car "So what  
> if its attracts women, it ain't got a back seat, so what good is it?"  
> Obviously, he would not have made that remark if I had Joe's "love  seat". 
>  
> 
>         Under the circumstances -  with no love seat - I did the only 
> thing 
> possible. I returned the next  morning at the same time with my date for 
> the weekend knowing the same  group of fisherman would be there. My date, 
> who 
> was a 5' 10"  model, was very sporting about the whole situation. She 
> could 
> not have  played the situation any better from her choice of clothes to 
> her 
> hanging on me  as we walked to the door. As we entered the establishment, 
> I 
> looked directly at  the man who made the remark, at which point the other 
> fisherman at his  table erupted with laughter. 
> 
>         Cary
> _______________________________________________


From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Oct 31 09:08:24 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:08:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] For the Military
References: <20091031041851.AB1CA187647@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <78BFF62AFE9D4F7DA41FAA428E8172DA@Bud>

May god Bless your brother...Please  tell him that I appreciate what he is 
doing for the Free World
Racer Bud  Spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>
To: <members at dctra.org>; <fot at autox.team.net>; 
"wheeltowheel at wheeltowheel.com" <WHEELTOWHEEL at racer.net>
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 9:17 PM
Subject: [Fot] For the Military


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> to Advanced Infantry School.  For those on the list(s) that have a 
> Military background I saw this song referenced on the Blackfive milblog 
> today.  iTunes proceeds go to a Military charity.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTs6a0ORdQU
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From jimhearn1 at comcast.net  Sat Oct 31 19:29:49 2009
From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:29:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Broken or cracked diff mount
Message-ID: <000401ca5a92$cdcd2860$b1191718@computer>

I have been here before asking about vibrations I am having.  They are
getting worse to the point of bad.  It is in the drive train and not in the
tires.  There is nothing I can see but now I am wondering if off and on
(mostly on now) vibrations can be associated with a broken or cracked diff
mount.  Thanks.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat]


From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 31 20:05:42 2009
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:05:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 oil cooler advice needed
Message-ID: <990103.26601.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I got a lot of good ideas from the radiator questions from the forum.  I also
need some thoughts on an oil cooler.  I have a very old oil cooler on the
car that looks like I should not use. I am looking for advice on what oil
cooler to run along with the fitting/hose size.  Also where should I mount.
it?   

Thanks.
Mike Mehl


From fasttrs at mindspring.com  Sat Oct 31 21:24:37 2009
From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:24:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Street headers
Message-ID: <E1N4Q7W-0003xB-Tw@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

A friend of mine is looking for a header for his 66 TR4A street car. 

He is not impressed with the quality of the Moss header. Are there other
sources for a better quality header?

 

Mike


From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sat Oct 31 22:14:44 2009
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:14:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Craigslist: (2) 1960's ERA Triumph TR-4 Engines! - $150
 (Dover, N.H.)
Message-ID: <4AED0B34.6030503@greenheart.com>

I stumbled upon this on Craigslist...  thought I'd share it with the 
group....  (I have no connection with the seller and I'm not in N.H.!)  
--Justin

http://nh.craigslist.org/pts/1417134337.html


From bownes at seiri.com  Sat Oct 31 22:28:47 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:28:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Broken or cracked diff mount
In-Reply-To: <000401ca5a92$cdcd2860$b1191718@computer>
References: <000401ca5a92$cdcd2860$b1191718@computer>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330910312128l51fb962fl2d2568745a57441a@mail.gmail.com>

I don't recall what kind of car you have, but in the TR6 (or the IRS 4's) a
cracked diff mount comes across as a thunk or thud as you get on or off the
gas.

A vibration is usually going to be associated with a rotating part. Wheel,
axle, driveshaft, or the like.

Bob


On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:29 PM, jim hearn <jimhearn1 at comcast.net> wrote:

> I have been here before asking about vibrations I am having.  They are
> getting worse to the point of bad.  It is in the drive train and not in the
> tires.  There is nothing I can see but now I am wondering if off and on
> (mostly on now) vibrations can be associated with a broken or cracked diff
> mount.  Thanks.
>
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Sat Oct 31 23:47:50 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:47:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Broken or cracked diff mount
References: <000401ca5a92$cdcd2860$b1191718@computer>
	<d9f7bd330910312128l51fb962fl2d2568745a57441a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D8DE7DB0B7D8484FBD3714B9760C48C2@Pendys>

 Have you taken a real good look at the u-joints ??
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "robert bownes" <bownes at seiri.com>
To: "jim hearn" <jimhearn1 at comcast.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken or cracked diff mount


>I don't recall what kind of car you have, but in the TR6 (or the IRS 4's) a
> cracked diff mount comes across as a thunk or thud as you get on or off 
> the
> gas.
>
> A vibration is usually going to be associated with a rotating part. Wheel,
> axle, driveshaft, or the like.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:29 PM, jim hearn <jimhearn1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I have been here before asking about vibrations I am having.  They are
>> getting worse to the point of bad.  It is in the drive train and not in 
>> the
>> tires.  There is nothing I can see but now I am wondering if off and on
>> (mostly on now) vibrations can be associated with a broken or cracked 
>> diff
>> mount.  Thanks.
>>
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>> a
>> name of winmail.dat]
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From GRMTim at aol.com  Thu Oct  1 05:57:25 2009
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 07:57:25 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
Message-ID: <c58.523e6b40.37f5f325@aol.com>

Thanks everyone who offered congrats. I
f you thought the car sounded cool in the video, I wish I could have had 
you all with me in the car, coming up the hill into the Corkscrew at the top 
of third gear. It was nearly a religious experience.

That is actually the third video I have done with Leno and I actually did a 
video interview with him for our website a few months back. I have gotten 
to know him pretty well and he is a very real, very decent guy behind the 
camera as well.

At the next FOT event, when we get togther for a few beers remind me to 
tell you the story about him letting me drive his McLaren F1.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040


From andre at gt6.ca  Thu Oct  1 06:00:56 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 08:00:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
In-Reply-To: <c58.523e6b40.37f5f325@aol.com>
References: <c58.523e6b40.37f5f325@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4362ae390910010500j4552eb4xfc10b9951b2e9ee5@mail.gmail.com>

Willing to bet 1/2 the adventure is simply getting into and then out
of the F1's middle seat!

Now if it would stop raining I could get back to work welding.

A.

2009/10/1  <GRMTim at aol.com>:
> Thanks everyone who offered congrats. I
> f you thought the car sounded cool in the video, I wish I could have had
> you all with me in the car, coming up the hill into the Corkscrew at the top
> of third gear. It was nearly a religious experience.
>
> That is actually the third video I have done with Leno and I actually did a
> video interview with him for our website a few months back. I have gotten
> to know him pretty well and he is a very real, very decent guy behind the
> camera as well.
>
> At the next FOT event, when we get togther for a few beers remind me to
> tell you the story about him letting me drive his McLaren F1.
>
> Tim Suddard
> Publisher; Classic Motorsports
> and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
> www.classicmotorsports.net
> www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
> Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040
>
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'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
'77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
Ottawa, ON, Canada


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Oct  1 06:54:48 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:54:48 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
In-Reply-To: <c58.523e6b40.37f5f325@aol.com>
References: <c58.523e6b40.37f5f325@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003901ca4296$5ee712d0$1cb53870$@com>

Question:
Why does this car only has 170 hp instead of the 210 hp Kas Kastner did
make?


Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von GRMTim at aol.com
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Oktober 2009 13:57
An: FOT at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video

Thanks everyone who offered congrats. I
f you thought the car sounded cool in the video, I wish I could have had
you all with me in the car, coming up the hill into the Corkscrew at the top

of third gear. It was nearly a religious experience.

That is actually the third video I have done with Leno and I actually did a
video interview with him for our website a few months back. I have gotten
to know him pretty well and he is a very real, very decent guy behind the
camera as well.

At the next FOT event, when we get togther for a few beers remind me to
tell you the story about him letting me drive his McLaren F1.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040
You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com

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From kaskas at cox.net  Thu Oct  1 08:32:27 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 07:32:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
In-Reply-To: <003901ca4296$5ee712d0$1cb53870$@com>
References: <c58.523e6b40.37f5f325@aol.com>
	<003901ca4296$5ee712d0$1cb53870$@com>
Message-ID: <7FDB5BFB45094F4490CFCCECBC43C4F0@KasPC>

Ah Chris, you are confusing the GT-6 engine with the Tran -Am Vitesse 
engine.  They were both the same capacity but that is about all that was the 
same.The GT-6 engine had only the 1.5" Stromberg Carburetors while the 
Vitesse had three 45mm Webers and other things allowed by the Tran-Am 
regulations.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: <GRMTim at aol.com>; <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video


> Question:
> Why does this car only has 170 hp instead of the 210 hp Kas Kastner did
> make?
>
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von GRMTim at aol.com
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Oktober 2009 13:57
> An: FOT at autox.team.net
> Betreff: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
>
> Thanks everyone who offered congrats. I
> f you thought the car sounded cool in the video, I wish I could have had
> you all with me in the car, coming up the hill into the Corkscrew at the 
> top
>
> of third gear. It was nearly a religious experience.
>
> That is actually the third video I have done with Leno and I actually did 
> a
> video interview with him for our website a few months back. I have gotten
> to know him pretty well and he is a very real, very decent guy behind the
> camera as well.
>
> At the next FOT event, when we get togther for a few beers remind me to
> tell you the story about him letting me drive his McLaren F1.
>
> Tim Suddard
> Publisher; Classic Motorsports
> and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
> www.classicmotorsports.net
> www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
> Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040
> You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com
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From gasket.works at verizon.net  Thu Oct  1 09:01:20 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:01:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] definitions
References: <37CFE53376493641BC5915CFC572110A3E775C@EXCH-VS3.coh.org>
Message-ID: <000b01ca42a8$0923a3b0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

Over the years I have worked more than I have vacationed.   My administrative
assistant (Secretary) keeps asking me why I don't take more rest.  ...She
knows I work every day and go home and do car stuff.....



I emailed this to her yesterday.  The below is the very bizarre way I answered
her.  Tongue in Cheek but, she understands me. Some may see it differently
sometimes I do too.  (I work in a surreal environment).

Death defined; absence of life.

Rest defined; incomplete death.

________________________________________________________________

Another definition I tell my kids.  This one is a bit harsh, I admit, and may
have some bearing on my biology training.

Success Defined:  Manipulation of the environment to meet your needs.



M


From dave at microworks.net  Thu Oct  1 09:13:43 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:13:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] definitions
In-Reply-To: <000b01ca42a8$0923a3b0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
References: <37CFE53376493641BC5915CFC572110A3E775C@EXCH-VS3.coh.org>
	<000b01ca42a8$0923a3b0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
Message-ID: <20091001151446.84023187654@autox.team.net>

Actually wouldn't these be better definitions?

Survival: Manipulation of the environment to meet your needs.
Success: Manipulation of the environment to meet your wants


>Another definition I tell my kids.  This one is a bit harsh, I admit, and may
>have some bearing on my biology training.
>
>Success Defined:  Manipulation of the environment to meet your needs.


From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Oct  1 10:14:35 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:14:35 EDT
Subject: [Fot] definitions
Message-ID: <ceb.65662d9e.37f62f6b@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/01/2009 10:01:46 AM Central Daylight Time, 
gasket.works at verizon.net writes:


> <<< Another definition I tell my kids.  This one is a bit harsh, I admit, 
> and may
> have some bearing on my biology training.
> 
> Success Defined:  Manipulation of the environment to meet your needs. >>>
> 
> My racing partner, Bob Wismer, has a similar observation on life.  He 
> says, "The Meek shall inherit the earth...when the strong are through with it."


Bill (Damdinger)


From markvaden at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 12:19:55 2009
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 11:19:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Race Video from VARA Oktoberfest
Message-ID: <285b8a860910011119w2101d175s818efaaa2a1ad3f6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I posted a video from the race at the last VARA event. It was really
hot in Buttonwillow, but the car ran well, and the race went really
well. In qualifying I got hit from behind, which caused some damage,
but nothing too bad. I'll post that video soon. Check out the race
video at:http://www.britishheritagemotorsports.com/tri_hard_racing_files/racing_videos.html

-Mark


From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Oct  1 20:59:55 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:59:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: 4 New trunk monkeys!
Message-ID: <A11738352A01474DB1344EBA4AF5B292@Bud>

Hi Friends....just in case you've forgotten about this Guy!.
RB



this is REALLY FUNNY..and a Triumph ..of sorts!
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig
To: Craig
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:36 AM
Subject: 4 New trunk monkeys!




Caution if viewing at work - laughter is a dead giveaway you're goofing off.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type video/x-ms-wmv which had a name of 4TrunkMo.wmv]


From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Thu Oct  1 23:18:09 2009
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 22:18:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Wayne's TR-6
Message-ID: <8CF82ED230B249B28929EC68DEC78E95@your89d26e0447>

A '73 TR_6 was originally timed at 4 Degree after top Dead Center with the
vacuum retard connected and working. With the retard disconnected, the "static
timing", ie. with the engine NOT RUNNING will be at around 12 to 16 degrees
BTDC. With the engine at an idle speed of around 750 -800 RPM, and the retard
disconnected, the ignition timing with a light should be about 18 degree BTDC.
With the engine accelerating up to about 4500 rpm, the timing should advance
to 34 to 36 degrees BTDC. You MUST run at least 91 octane gas in this engine
or you are likely to damage internal parts. The higher the octane the better.
Remember, in 1973 gas was rated differently, It was "Research Octane" and the
number for a TR-6 was 98 octane. The current rating system uses a number 5
lower, so the current version of the same performance would be 93 octane. You
have raised the compression, the engine now wants even higher octane gas!
    In tuning a car, you always set the valve lash, then the timing, then
adjust the carburetor idle speed and mixture. The Emission Control Stromberg
carbs that came on your car cannot be properly tuned by the methods that you
mentioned. When they are set correctly, raising the air valve will always
cause the engine to stall. The needles and mixture was set up by the factory
for passing emissions tests, not for performance. The jets must not be worn,
the needles must not be worn, the fuel levels must be set to the proper
height, the idle speed must be correct. The temperature compensators must be
in good working condition, and the idle "throttle by-pass  valves" must be
working properly. Then the mixture can be set by raising and lowering the
mixture needles in the air valves. This should be done on an exhaust analyzer
following the instructions in the workshop manual. For everything to work
properly, the vacuum retard must also be working!  This is so because with the
ignition retarded to 4 Degrees ATDC, the throttle opening screws on the
carburetors have to be screwed down way more to in effect "speed up the idle"
.  with everything set properly, if the retard is not working, the timing will
be around 20 degrees BTDC and the engine will idle at 1500 rpm or so.
    Sorry, I am sure this is not the answer you wanted to hear!.
    It is might be possible to make things work without the retard applied,
but everything else needs to be perfect, and the throttle by-pass valves on
the carburetors will probably have to be modified to prevent them from opening
and bleeding air around the throttle plates causing the idle to raise up even
higher.
                                                                             
                           Regards,
                                                                             
                               Greg Solow

The Engine Room
Sports Car Specialists
Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060
831 429-1800


From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct  2 07:06:09 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 06:06:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Stirling Moss in Pictures
Message-ID: <353405.23845.qm@web80808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

>From London Telegraph:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/picturegalleries/6139081/Sir-Stirling-Moss.html

This one shows him at the wheel of a Triumph/Standard 8/10 in 1955.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/picturegalleries/6139081/Sir-Stirling-Moss.html?image=4

Doug


From GRMTim at aol.com  Fri Oct  2 07:16:50 2009
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 09:16:50 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
Message-ID: <d3a.5060e3cd.37f75742@aol.com>

East coast hp is different than west coast I guess. Kas would know more 
about this. I was told by the guy who bought a Group 44 engine in 1973 that 
when he finished 7th at the Runoffs in 1974 that it made 164 hp.

Kas, any memories of these engines and there real power?

Remember this engine has stock crank and rods.

In a message dated 10/1/09 8:56:02 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:


> Question:
> Why does this car only has 170 hp instead of the 210 hp Kas Kastner did
> make?
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Chris
> 





Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040


From GRMTim at aol.com  Fri Oct  2 07:18:24 2009
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 09:18:24 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
Message-ID: <c6c.57e4b884.37f757a0@aol.com>

God I love this group!
Thanks Kas

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040

In a message dated 10/1/09 10:34:03 AM, kaskas at cox.net writes:


> Ah Chris, you are confusing the GT-6 engine with the Tran -Am Vitesse
> engine.  They were both the same capacity but that is about all that was
> the
> same.The GT-6 engine had only the 1.5" Stromberg Carburetors while the
> Vitesse had three 45mm Webers and other things allowed by the Tran-Am
> regulations.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> To: <GRMTim at aol.com>; <FOT at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 5:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
>
>
> > Question:
> > Why does this car only has 170 hp instead of the 210 hp Kas Kastner did
> > make?
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> > Chris
> >
> > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> > Auftrag von GRMTim at aol.com
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Oktober 2009 13:57
> > An: FOT at autox.team.net
> > Betreff: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
> >
> > Thanks everyone who offered congrats. I
> > f you thought the car sounded cool in the video, I wish I could have had
> > you all with me in the car, coming up the hill into the Corkscrew at the
> > top
> >
> > of third gear. It was nearly a religious experience.
> >
> > That is actually the third video I have done with Leno and I actually
> did
> > a
> > video interview with him for our website a few months back. I have
> gotten
> > to know him pretty well and he is a very real, very decent guy behind
> the
> > camera as well.
> >
> > At the next FOT event, when we get togther for a few beers remind me to
> > tell you the story about him letting me drive his McLaren F1.
> >
> > Tim Suddard
> > Publisher; Classic Motorsports
> > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
> > www.classicmotorsports.net
> > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
> > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040
> > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com
> >
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Oct  2 08:48:30 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:48:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] [6pack] 6-PACK TRials 2010 (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0910021038330.14222@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I'm just forwarding this for Todd... if you have an insterest in the track 
portion of the event, you might want to ping Todd (red_tr250 at yahoo.com)

rml
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2009 NER Solo Chair                            |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 04:55:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Todd Bermudez <red_tr250 at yahoo.com>
To: Six Pack <6pack at autox.team.net>
Subject: [6pack] 6-PACK TRials 2010

All,

I posted this on the 6-PACK website(www.6-pack.org).

Those of you on this list as well as FOT...please post this to the FOT 
list.  I need to get as much interest as possible in order to secure the 
track for the day.  Need to come up with a deposit ASAP

Cheers,

Todd



Just wanted to put this up so that everyone has dates & location for 
TRials 2010.

2010 TRials will be held in Oxford, Ohio on September 9th thru 11th. 
Depart on the 12th. The hotel is just outside of Oxford home of Miami 
University.

The host hotel is Hueston Woods Resort & Conference Center 
(http://www.huestonwoodsresort.com/)

Room rates I believe are $109 each night. I'm sure you can spend more on a 
fancier room if you like.

I believe the schedule will be like this...

Thursday Arrive & Registration & Reunite.
Thursday Evening will be Texas Style BBQ followed by Bon-Fire at the pit.

Friday Drive the beautiful backroads toward Batesville and/or Historic Metamora.

This is a BIG TENTATIVE at this point. We've tentatively agreed to RENT 
THE NEWLY BUILT Bluegrass Motorsports Park for the day. ( 
http://www.drivebluegrass.com ) We'll be given the opportunity to drive 
the course at 3 different levels: As fast as you like, touring, and 
parade. This will be a separate charge from the TRials and there are a few 
restrictions depending upon which you select. We'll be posting more 
information as details become available.


Saturday rise and shine for the Car show on the beautiful grounds of the 
Resort just up the hill from the lake. Saturday afternoon we'll be doing 
something silly I assure you...this has yet to be determined

Naturally, we'll wrap things up with the Awards Banquet Saturday evening
Sunday, say goodbyes & make ready for 2011!

Cheers,

Todd Bermudez
2010 TRials committee.


From gasket.works at verizon.net  Fri Oct  2 08:59:01 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 07:59:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Group shot at Portland
Message-ID: <000801ca4370$e0aeca30$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

Fot folks... who may have group photo of the cars at Portland / PIR at the Kas
cup.. I'm looking for a high Res image....   Perhaps Greg Petrolatti?


Mordy


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Fri Oct  2 09:28:26 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 08:28:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Group shot at Portland
References: <000801ca4370$e0aeca30$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
Message-ID: <96F38270EF8648EB91CFABB340A0E7F5@Charly>

Don't know if this is what you're looking for, but a bunch here.  Several 
pages to look at.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
http://uploadingit.com/f/JM5IWVBYMCWY2DYG
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Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 7:59 AM
Subject: [Fot] Group shot at Portland


> Fot folks... who may have group photo of the cars at Portland / PIR at the 
> Kas
> cup.. I'm looking for a high Res image....   Perhaps Greg Petrolatti?
>
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From kaskas at cox.net  Fri Oct  2 12:57:37 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:57:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
In-Reply-To: <d3a.5060e3cd.37f75742@aol.com>
References: <d3a.5060e3cd.37f75742@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A59E4627D2464730B206B46431793C4C@KasPC>

The last engines I did for the GT-6 in 1972 made 187 bhp at 8000.  This is 
with the stock crank, rods, valves, 1.5" Stromberg's and all the other stock 
stuff. It was 12.7 C.R and used 100 octane gas and the special velocity 
stacks I made which I see you have on your car.

This was a very reliable engine and I think the Groups car probably made 
about the same power as they were privy to everything we did and had.  Brian 
Fuersteneau and Don Devendorf were having a ding dong trade the lead every 
lap race at the runoffs in 1972 and no advantage on the chutes.  Don took 
my car off the road after coming under the bridge and that was that, but it 
seemed to me the cars were dead even in power. This is of course several 
years after your car.  I would say in the 1969 time frame 170+ bhp is pretty 
accurate, the same power  you are quoting.

My dyno's were used by Champion for spark plug work and they supplied me 
with their engineering plugs for experimenting and detailed reports.  The 
same dynos were used also by the natural gas company as we  were the only 
people that could supply TRUE numbers in repeats and from day to day.

There is only one horsepower number if the system is accurate and the 
operators are not fudging. I mention that because, my 170+ bhp  GT-6 could 
pull a certain Datsun 2 liter supposed 190 bhp car right down the chute at 
Riverside. We always referred to my horsepower as horses having big feet 
with hair hanging  around and they pulled beer wagons. :-)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <GRMTim at aol.com>
To: <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; <GRMTim at aol.com>; <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video


> East coast hp is different than west coast I guess. Kas would know more
> about this. I was told by the guy who bought a Group 44 engine in 1973 
> that
> when he finished 7th at the Runoffs in 1974 that it made 164 hp.
>
> Kas, any memories of these engines and there real power?
>
> Remember this engine has stock crank and rods.
>
> In a message dated 10/1/09 8:56:02 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
>
>
>> Question:
>> Why does this car only has 170 hp instead of the 210 hp Kas Kastner did
>> make?
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tim Suddard
> Publisher; Classic Motorsports
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From bownes at seiri.com  Fri Oct  2 13:26:01 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:26:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>

sent me off to the local WallEWorld to pick up a TR6 Hot Wheels.

Given the fact I work just down the road from what used to be Bob Sharp's
old dealership, I was
thrilled to find there on the rack a nice TR6 Hot Wheels and a Datsun 510,
unfortunately not in
the right colurs, but nonetheless both are now adorning my office.

This weekend...Replace the front main seal on the TR6 if I'm lucky. If not,
it will just be work on
our Mini.

Bob


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Oct  2 14:31:31 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:31:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking For Used TR6 Grille for AMBRO
Message-ID: <8CC11B675DAB9A5-16C4-21E4C@webmail-d095.sysops.aol.com>

Just the 'egg crate' portion...not the emblem or surround.



Trading stock or cash.......



Thanks!



Joe A


From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Fri Oct  2 16:23:03 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:23:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &  Datsuns
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC67D47.2040407@141.com>



From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Fri Oct  2 16:41:20 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:41:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &  Datsuns
In-Reply-To: <4AC67D47.2040407@141.com>
References: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC67D47.2040407@141.com>
Message-ID: <4AC68190.50706@141.com>

Bob (et al), did you see the yellow Hot Wheels Morris Mini with flames 
when you were looking at the toys? I picked up the two our Walmart had, 
but all they have is the silver TR6. A bunch of those reddish 510's, 
too. I'd like to see the green TR6 here...

Susan      :)
>
>
> robert bownes wrote:
>> sent me off to the local WallEWorld to pick up a TR6 Hot Wheels.
>>
>> Given the fact I work just down the road from what used to be Bob Sharp's
>> old dealership, I was
>> thrilled to find there on the rack a nice TR6 Hot Wheels and a Datsun 510,
>> unfortunately not in
>> the right colurs, but nonetheless both are now adorning my office.
>>
>> This weekend...Replace the front main seal on the TR6 if I'm lucky. If not,
>> it will just be work on
>> our Mini.
>>
>> Bob
>>
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 17:24:20 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:24:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &  Datsuns
In-Reply-To: <4AC68190.50706@141.com>
References: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC67D47.2040407@141.com> <4AC68190.50706@141.com>
Message-ID: <673993c50910021624x66525ecen5cc0fa664211d74f@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure if any of you guys have seen this, but you can download these cars
for GT-Legends and are part of the Power and Glory mod..
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3056/3085074779_1c135ce53e_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3266/3085913666_3da1a76589_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3295/3085074771_91a37be3d8_o.jpg

Bob


From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Fri Oct  2 18:01:16 2009
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:01:16 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
In-Reply-To: <A59E4627D2464730B206B46431793C4C@KasPC>
References: <d3a.5060e3cd.37f75742@aol.com>
	<A59E4627D2464730B206B46431793C4C@KasPC>
Message-ID: <4BEA3FD956824C69BBB61CD2AB5FD746@GEOFFPC>

FOT
I raced a GT6 in the 70s with a "Kastner motor" built to his specs and with 
his S5 cam and valve gear . With tripple 42mm Webers (worked better than the 
45s) 12:1 cpmpression on avgas it had a very reliable 200hp confirmed on a 
reliable dyno . The only problem i had was breaking gear boxes and rear 
axles which was fixed by installing a TR6 box and axles. Conclusion is the 
2litre motor is capable of producing a reliable 200hp if built properly
Geoff Byrne
TR6 racer down under
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>
To: <GRMTim at aol.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video


> The last engines I did for the GT-6 in 1972 made 187 bhp at 8000.  This is 
> with the stock crank, rods, valves, 1.5" Stromberg's and all the other 
> stock stuff. It was 12.7 C.R and used 100 octane gas and the special 
> velocity stacks I made which I see you have on your car.
>
> This was a very reliable engine and I think the Groups car probably made 
> about the same power as they were privy to everything we did and had. 
> Brian Fuersteneau and Don Devendorf were having a ding dong trade the lead 
> every lap race at the runoffs in 1972 and no advantage on the chutes.  Don 
> took my car off the road after coming under the bridge and that was that, 
> but it seemed to me the cars were dead even in power. This is of course 
> several years after your car.  I would say in the 1969 time frame 170+ bhp 
> is pretty accurate, the same power  you are quoting.
>
> My dyno's were used by Champion for spark plug work and they supplied me 
> with their engineering plugs for experimenting and detailed reports.  The 
> same dynos were used also by the natural gas company as we  were the only 
> people that could supply TRUE numbers in repeats and from day to day.
>
> There is only one horsepower number if the system is accurate and the 
> operators are not fudging. I mention that because, my 170+ bhp  GT-6 could 
> pull a certain Datsun 2 liter supposed 190 bhp car right down the chute at 
> Riverside. We always referred to my horsepower as horses having big feet 
> with hair hanging  around and they pulled beer wagons. :-)
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <GRMTim at aol.com>
> To: <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; <GRMTim at aol.com>; <FOT at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Thanks for comments on Jay Leno video
>
>
>> East coast hp is different than west coast I guess. Kas would know more
>> about this. I was told by the guy who bought a Group 44 engine in 1973 
>> that
>> when he finished 7th at the Runoffs in 1974 that it made 164 hp.
>>
>> Kas, any memories of these engines and there real power?
>>
>> Remember this engine has stock crank and rods.
>>
>> In a message dated 10/1/09 8:56:02 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
>>
>>
>>> Question:
>>> Why does this car only has 170 hp instead of the 210 hp Kas Kastner did
>>> make?
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Chris
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tim Suddard
>> Publisher; Classic Motorsports
>> and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
>> www.classicmotorsports.net
>> www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
>> Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040
>>
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>>
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From adams910 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 18:44:11 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:44:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
Message-ID: <673993c50910021744m35b6204cn3a1225b8fbdf3be2@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone broken one, and by broken I mean snapped in two?

If you have where did it break, and what did you determine to be the cause?

Thanks,

Bob


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Fri Oct  2 20:23:07 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:23:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &  Datsuns
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU116-W247331DEE95A21932DCB6490D10@phx.gbl>

I got 3 TR-6's at Walmart last night!  Passed on the 510's, even at 97
cents................Cheers henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM

> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:26:01 -0400
> From: bownes at seiri.com
> To: Fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns
>
> sent me off to the local WallEWorld to pick up a TR6 Hot Wheels.
>
> Given the fact I work just down the road from what used to be Bob Sharp's
> old dealership, I was
> thrilled to find there on the rack a nice TR6 Hot Wheels and a Datsun 510,
> unfortunately not in
> the right colurs, but nonetheless both are now adorning my office.
>
> This weekend...Replace the front main seal on the TR6 if I'm lucky. If not,
> it will just be work on
> our Mini.
>
> Bob
>
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From ofbracing at nefcom.net  Sat Oct  3 05:34:25 2009
From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (ofbracing)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 07:34:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
In-Reply-To: <673993c50910021744m35b6204cn3a1225b8fbdf3be2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <776C9692689B460F9906203BCF889456@Dell5100Laptop>

Bob, I had one snap in my TR4 race engine, right behind the distributor
gear.  No other damage to the engine and we never figured out what
caused it other than probably fatigue.  Don  

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bob Adams
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:44 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage

Has anyone broken one, and by broken I mean snapped in two?

If you have where did it break, and what did you determine to be the
cause?

Thanks,

Bob
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From tr4.tony at virgin.net  Sat Oct  3 06:23:20 2009
From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:23:20 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
References: <776C9692689B460F9906203BCF889456@Dell5100Laptop>
Message-ID: <359C1FD90AAE4EA0A287E44DA79E0DCB@PBA.INT>

Bob

I have broken a cam and also heard of this with others - identified cause 
was an out of tolerance bearing, we believe a duff batch made for the major 
'Specialist' here in the UK.

Similarly out of tolerance bearing caused rapid failure of cam on road car 
of TR Register member here in the UK - again cause confirmed to be forward 
bearing badly manufactured and allowing the cam to move up to 1/4 inch.

Hope this assists you.

Tony 


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Oct  3 06:29:32 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:29:32 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Paging John Wiley
Message-ID: <bdc.563a0c65.37f89dac@cs.com>

Is John Wiley still on the list?

He has a TR4 he bought from one of our late FOTs....in Ohio.

I found something he wants and would like to get it to him.

Thanks,

JoeA


From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct  3 07:41:59 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 09:41:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &   Datsuns
In-Reply-To: <BLU116-W247331DEE95A21932DCB6490D10@phx.gbl>
References: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU116-W247331DEE95A21932DCB6490D10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <013301ca442f$491e3ab0$db5ab010$@net>

I got 8 this morning at my local Walmart. Cleared them out.
Only found the silver ones. If anyone needs one, let me know.

Doug

--
Doug Mitchell
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of dos_gusanos at msn.com
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:23 PM
To: bownes at seiri.com; fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns

I got 3 TR-6's at Walmart last night!  Passed on the 510's, even at 97
cents................Cheers henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM

> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:26:01 -0400
> From: bownes at seiri.com
> To: Fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns
>
> sent me off to the local WallEWorld to pick up a TR6 Hot Wheels.
>
> Given the fact I work just down the road from what used to be Bob Sharp's
> old dealership, I was
> thrilled to find there on the rack a nice TR6 Hot Wheels and a Datsun 510,
> unfortunately not in
> the right colurs, but nonetheless both are now adorning my office.
>
> This weekend...Replace the front main seal on the TR6 if I'm lucky. If
not,
> it will just be work on
> our Mini.
>
> Bob
>
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From andre at gt6.ca  Sat Oct  3 08:03:38 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:03:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &  Datsuns
In-Reply-To: <013301ca442f$491e3ab0$db5ab010$@net>
References: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU116-W247331DEE95A21932DCB6490D10@phx.gbl>
	<013301ca442f$491e3ab0$db5ab010$@net>
Message-ID: <4362ae390910030703v20e28d7fu72526d9119b9832d@mail.gmail.com>

Grown men hoarding dinky cars.

AWESOME :)

I wish I could have found more then 1.

Maybe next time. Then I can take one out and race it down my kid's ramp.

A.

2009/10/3 Doug Mitchell <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>:
> I got 8 this morning at my local Walmart. Cleared them out.
> Only found the silver ones. If anyone needs one, let me know.
>
> Doug
>
> --
> Doug Mitchell
> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of dos_gusanos at msn.com
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:23 PM
> To: bownes at seiri.com; fot
> Subject: Re: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns
>
> I got 3 TR-6's at Walmart last night!  Passed on the 510's, even at 97
> cents................Cheers henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM
>
>> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:26:01 -0400
>> From: bownes at seiri.com
>> To: Fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns
>>
>> sent me off to the local WallEWorld to pick up a TR6 Hot Wheels.
>>
>> Given the fact I work just down the road from what used to be Bob Sharp's
>> old dealership, I was
>> thrilled to find there on the rack a nice TR6 Hot Wheels and a Datsun 510,
>> unfortunately not in
>> the right colurs, but nonetheless both are now adorning my office.
>>
>> This weekend...Replace the front main seal on the TR6 if I'm lucky. If
> not,
>> it will just be work on
>> our Mini.
>>
>> Bob
>>
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>>
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Sat Oct  3 08:11:11 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 10:11:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &   Datsuns
In-Reply-To: <4362ae390910030703v20e28d7fu72526d9119b9832d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU116-W247331DEE95A21932DCB6490D10@phx.gbl>
	<013301ca442f$491e3ab0$db5ab010$@net>
	<4362ae390910030703v20e28d7fu72526d9119b9832d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC75B7F.6020307@141.com>

Keep checking. They do restock the Hot Wheels.

Susan     :)


Andre Rousseau wrote:
> Grown men hoarding dinky cars.
>
> AWESOME :)
>
> I wish I could have found more then 1.
>
> Maybe next time. Then I can take one out and race it down my kid's ramp.
>
> A.
>
>   

-- 
No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationary.


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Oct  3 09:06:53 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:06:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
References: <776C9692689B460F9906203BCF889456@Dell5100Laptop>
Message-ID: <115A3509237E4E5F91CB752357010E5F@latitudefb1e41>

Bob,

Larry Young, who is designing camshafts for some of the FOT, likes to use 
new blanks rather than regrind for his race camshafts. His thinking is that 
during the regrind they also reduce the diamter of the shaft to keep it 
smaller than the base of the lobes. He is worried about your exact problem. 
Maybe he'll chime in.

Bob K
Austin TX
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ofbracing" <ofbracing at nefcom.net>
To: "'Bob Adams'" <adams910 at gmail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 6:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage


> Bob, I had one snap in my TR4 race engine, right behind the distributor
> gear.  No other damage to the engine and we never figured out what
> caused it other than probably fatigue.  Don
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Bob Adams
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:44 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
>
> Has anyone broken one, and by broken I mean snapped in two?
>
> If you have where did it break, and what did you determine to be the
> cause?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Oct  3 09:11:45 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:11:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &    Datsuns
References: <d9f7bd330910021226v464c9f53l618f0d9fdc0a6dc1@mail.gmail.com><BLU116-W247331DEE95A21932DCB6490D10@phx.gbl><013301ca442f$491e3ab0$db5ab010$@net><4362ae390910030703v20e28d7fu72526d9119b9832d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC75B7F.6020307@141.com>
Message-ID: <35469783207044C99D4F3173CDF6FBE6@latitudefb1e41>

At this rate they are going to think that they are onto something. Can a TR8 
rallye car be far behind?

Bob K
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Kahler" <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
To: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns


> Keep checking. They do restock the Hot Wheels.
>
> Susan     :)
>
>
> Andre Rousseau wrote:
>> Grown men hoarding dinky cars.
>>
>> AWESOME :)
>>
>> I wish I could have found more then 1.
>>
>> Maybe next time. Then I can take one out and race it down my kid's ramp.
>>
>> A.
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationary.
>
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From sbracing at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct  3 12:55:19 2009
From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 11:55:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &    Datsuns
In-Reply-To: <013301ca442f$491e3ab0$db5ab010$@net>
Message-ID: <290755.73998.qm@web80704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I wonder if anyone at Wal-Mart HQs is scratching thier head wondering why all
the Hot Wheels TR-6s are being snatched up so quickly.
 
I got my two this morning.
 
Thumbs up.
Steve

--- On Sat, 10/3/09, Doug Mitchell <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


From: Doug Mitchell <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns
To: dos_gusanos at msn.com, bownes at seiri.com, "'fot'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 8:41 AM


I got 8 this morning at my local Walmart. Cleared them out.
Only found the silver ones. If anyone needs one, let me know.

Doug

--
Doug Mitchell
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of dos_gusanos at msn.com
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:23 PM
To: bownes at seiri.com; fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns

I got 3 TR-6's at Walmart last night!  Passed on the 510's, even at 97
cents................Cheers henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM

> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:26:01 -0400
> From: bownes at seiri.com
> To: Fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, & Datsuns
>
> sent me off to the local WallEWorld to pick up a TR6 Hot Wheels.
>
> Given the fact I work just down the road from what used to be Bob Sharp's
> old dealership, I was
> thrilled to find there on the rack a nice TR6 Hot Wheels and a Datsun 510,
> unfortunately not in
> the right colurs, but nonetheless both are now adorning my office.
>
> This weekend...Replace the front main seal on the TR6 if I'm lucky. If
not,
> it will just be work on
> our Mini.
>
> Bob
>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Oct  3 14:05:42 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:05:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels
Message-ID: <EA14990008F54C0A90A2BD7E08099EE6@Bud>

just got mine in the mail(Ebay)...got 2 silver and 1 green..really cool little
dudes!
Racer Bud


From adams910 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 15:33:25 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 17:33:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
In-Reply-To: <115A3509237E4E5F91CB752357010E5F@latitudefb1e41>
References: <776C9692689B460F9906203BCF889456@Dell5100Laptop>
	<115A3509237E4E5F91CB752357010E5F@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <673993c50910031433u54411565s2cefe63ef7209903@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks all.

The cam sheared right at the front of the distributor gear, this was a
regrind btw. This survey was just to see if this was an isolated incident.

 It's a bummer since the car was sitting on the overall pole with room for
improvement. Unfortunately, most of the competition saw failures (some
catastrophic) and by the end of the qualifying race today,  only 1 car from
the original top 4 was still running by the end of it.

Curious to know where Larry Young is getting his new blanks from and what he
thinks of their quality. The biggest issue I see is getting the distributor
drive gear correct.

Bob


From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Sat Oct  3 16:37:06 2009
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:37:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
References: <776C9692689B460F9906203BCF889456@Dell5100Laptop>
Message-ID: <747767F0CE374814BE4AA8ECFE52E73A@your89d26e0447>

I have never experienced any camshaft breakage, but in a reprint of an 
article from the English magazine Autocar from April 8, 1955 excessive 
camshaft bending in the area of the oil pump drive gear is mentioned. And 
this was with early light springs but continuous use over 5,000 rpm. to cure 
the problems the front part only of the camshaft was increased in diameter 
by 1/8". Remember, the span of support in the front of the engine is twice 
as large as in the rear half. The drive gear has replaced the bearing that 
would  be expected in this location.
    I believe that the shaft diameter should not be reduced below its 
original as cast diameter for this reason. If a cam grind has so much lift 
or duration that the shaft diameter has to be reduced to accommodate a small 
base circle, then the lobes need to be welded up or a new cam blank with 
large enough lobes should be used. The new cam blank should be checked to 
make sure the front part of the shaft is 1/8" larger than the rear part. it 
should also be the same minimum size as the original shaft.
    In the original design, according the article in "The Autocar"  at 6,000 
rpm the camshaft was flexing .020" at the #1 exhaust lobe and only .008" at 
the #3 exhaust lobe. Again, this was in the early development of the TR-2, 
before the valve stems were uprated to 3/8" diameter and before the valve 
springs were stiffened.  The Tr engineers found increasing the diameter of 
the whole length of the camshaft did not cure this uneven deflection, this 
was only cured by enlarging the front part of the camshaft and leaving the 
rear part untouched.
    This uneven deflection could account for camshaft breakage in the area 
around the oil pump drive gear.
    The article with this information is in a "brooklands books" collection 
"Triumph TR-2 & TR-3 1952 - 1960"  The article is entitled "A Triumph of 
Development  The story of the TR-2" by John Rabson,  A.M.I.Mech.E.
                                                                             
                            Regards,
                                                                             
                                Greg Solow
                                                                             
                                The Engine Room
                                                                             
                                 Santa Cruz, Ca.


From gasket.works at verizon.net  Sat Oct  3 18:07:19 2009
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:07:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] camshaft breakage
References: <776C9692689B460F9906203BCF889456@Dell5100Laptop>
	<115A3509237E4E5F91CB752357010E5F@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <003301ca4486$a417cc90$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

Some years ago? 1995 when I visited with the UK/Terry Hurrell.  . I traded 
some copper gaskets for "new and unground" cam.  Can't remember where he 
said the new cams came from.    I had it ground --the cam pretty much melted 
in the first five minutes of use.  The lobes and the distributor gear went 
away.  ....    didn't break though.

My wifes 911 porsche had one cam break in half downshifting at Watkins Glen. 
Her loving dad rebuilt the engine for  her albeit with askance looks while 
cursing under his breath the entire time. She still keeps the remnant of 
that camshaft on the shelf.

Mordy


From Herald948 at aol.com  Sat Oct  3 18:32:18 2009
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 20:32:18 EDT
Subject: [Fot] All this talk of TR-6's, Hot Wheels, Hp, Kas, &   Datsuns
Message-ID: <cd9.5c73140e.37f94712@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/2/2009 10:40:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
dos_gusanos at msn.com writes:

I got 3  TR-6's at Walmart last night! 
 
==AM==
Darn! I was in Walmart earlier this afternoon to pick up oil and filter for 
 my son's Saturn (geez, what's with that silly cartridge style oil filter,  
anyway?)...and I totally forgot to go to Toys and see what they had.  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph 
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 


From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Oct  3 20:15:00 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:15:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: not auto related...Joke from my  Mom...She's a Triumph
Message-ID: <7347E9BFA45348D49B980D695A82223C@Bud>

-


Hi Gang......My Mom...88 years old.... called me tonight to tell me a
joke...She laughed while she told it...This is what Cute Stuff is about..

WHY DID THE RAISIN GO OUT WITH THE PRUNE?
BECAUSE HE COULDN'T GET A DATE!
Racer Bud


From brad.kahler at 141.com  Sat Oct  3 21:48:12 2009
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 23:48:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 modified upper A-Arms (for sale)
Message-ID: <4AC81AFC.2060800@141.com>

Amici,

As I was digging through some of the boxes that I moved from Arkansas to 
Kentucky I found a set of upper A-Arms that Uncle Jack modified for me.  
I bought them for a future project that has since been canceled.  If 
interested feel free to contact me. I'd like to get what I have in them 
which is $75.

Thanks,

Brad
(Susan's crew chief)


From bownes at seiri.com  Sat Oct  3 22:05:08 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 00:05:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] camshaft breakage
In-Reply-To: <003301ca4486$a417cc90$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
References: <776C9692689B460F9906203BCF889456@Dell5100Laptop>
	<115A3509237E4E5F91CB752357010E5F@latitudefb1e41>
	<003301ca4486$a417cc90$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330910032105r35e69fc9sf5835698c2d63e22@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sure we all have our personal 'Wall of shame'.  Mine includes a U
shaped con rod, a pinion gear missing several teeth and an oil pan the
looks like someone put a hole in it with a 9mm.

The price of experience is not paid in years or dollars, it is in
learning from mistakes of ourselves and others kind enough to share.



On 10/3/09, MORDY DUNST <gasket.works at verizon.net> wrote:
> Some years ago? 1995 when I visited with the UK/Terry Hurrell.  . I traded
> some copper gaskets for "new and unground" cam.  Can't remember where he
> said the new cams came from.    I had it ground --the cam pretty much melted
> in the first five minutes of use.  The lobes and the distributor gear went
> away.  ....    didn't break though.
>
> My wifes 911 porsche had one cam break in half downshifting at Watkins Glen.
> Her loving dad rebuilt the engine for  her albeit with askance looks while
> cursing under his breath the entire time. She still keeps the remnant of
> that camshaft on the shelf.
>
> Mordy
>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Sun Oct  4 07:52:08 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:52:08 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?
Message-ID: <c39.61a07c10.37fa0288@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/03/2009 3:10:34 PM Central Daylight Time, 
budscars at comcast.net writes:


> <<< just got mine in the mail(Ebay)...got 2 silver and 1 green..really 
> cool little
> dudes! >>>


Like a Lemming, I've have followed the rushing crowd to Walmart and 
purchased two Hot Wheels TRIUMPH TR6 models.  They are both the #17 silver race car 
model.  Now if I can only find my collection of Avon After Shave (in the 
green glass TR3 bottles), I can keep them all together.  I hope Shirley hasn't 
tossed them out.

Why would a seventy year old man make a special trip to Walmart to buy Hot 
Wheels?  Total cost...$2.04.  And they're not a gift for my grandchildren.  
They're for myself no less.  It's because what happened at ROAD AMERICA last 
week end is more frosting on our cake.  Kas, Tullius, and a host of others 
laid the foundation a half century ago.  By shade tree backyard efforts, 
that winning tradition was continued in club racing for decades.  Long after 
TRIUMPH ceased production the winning continues.  People like Prentice, 
Wheeler, and now Halkias continued the winning tradition.    Based on the 
incredible number of wins, and in particular its club racing record...clearly, 
TRIUMPH, that sports car for the common man...that sports car of the great 
unwashed, is one of the greatest marques ever. 

You bet!  I've got mine too.

Bill (Damdinger)


From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Oct  4 09:38:08 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:38:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?
References: <c39.61a07c10.37fa0288@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F0F0A6FEE5644F0AB9524050EDC782B0@Bud>

Very nice Bill
Racer Bud
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: BillDentin at aol.com
  To: budscars at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 6:52 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?


  In a message dated 10/03/2009 3:10:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
budscars at comcast.net writes:



    <<< just got mine in the mail(Ebay)...got 2 silver and 1 green..really
cool little
    dudes! >>>



  Like a Lemming, I've have followed the rushing crowd to Walmart and
purchased two Hot Wheels TRIUMPH TR6 models.  They are both the #17 silver
race car model.  Now if I can only find my collection of Avon After Shave (in
the green glass TR3 bottles), I can keep them all together.  I hope Shirley
hasn't tossed them out.

  Why would a seventy year old man make a special trip to Walmart to buy Hot
Wheels?  Total cost...$2.04.  And they're not a gift for my grandchildren.
They're for myself no less.  It's because what happened at ROAD AMERICA last
week end is more frosting on our cake.  Kas, Tullius, and a host of others
laid the foundation a half century ago.  By shade tree backyard efforts, that
winning tradition was continued in club racing for decades.  Long after
TRIUMPH ceased production the winning continues.  People like Prentice,
Wheeler, and now Halkias continued the winning tradition.    Based on the
incredible number of wins, and in particular its club racing record...clearly,
TRIUMPH, that sports car for the common man...that sports car of the great
unwashed, is one of the greatest marques ever.

  You bet!  I've got mine too.

  Bill (Damdinger)


From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Oct  4 10:17:14 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:17:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] HOT WHEELS TRIUMPH TR6 ABSOLUT VODKA CUSTOM - eBay (item
 220486822459 end time Oct-04-09 19:30:41 PDT)
Message-ID: <15387C9D9F7D4232AEBE2633AB761E07@Bud>

check out this one!!
Racer Bud
http://cgi.ebay.com/HOT-WHEELS-TRIUMPH-TR6-ABSOLUT-VODKA-CUSTOM_W0QQitemZ2204
86822459QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDiecast_Vehicles?hash=item335609ea3b&_trksid=p3286
.c0.m14


From deanesr at uncw.edu  Sun Oct  4 10:30:06 2009
From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:30:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels an adventure in Wally World
Message-ID: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E0945178CBA9693@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu>

Well it has been interesting being in "Wally World" getting in front of kids
looking for TR-6s , felt like a kid again and then got ribbed by the wife when
I got home, only found one so far ...but there is another Wal-Mart in town!
There is no rhyme or reason to the way they put the little car on the rack so
you have to go thru every one of them. Three or four people looked at me
rambling thru the cars as some hit the floor and one lady wanted to know if I
had seen any helicopters , I told her I was only half thru of the 300 it
seemed cars. Good luck hunting!

Rob deanes
TR-4 Racer  #62
TR-6, TR-4 Street


From JHOUATHOME at aol.com  Sun Oct  4 11:23:58 2009
From: JHOUATHOME at aol.com (JHOUATHOME at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 13:23:58 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?
Message-ID: <cd8.5777e5aa.37fa342e@aol.com>

At the risk of sounding like I am pandering...I would add a few names to  
Bill's list.  There are so many who have been stalwart Triumph devotees,  who 
have loved and raced our their TR's, but who have not won in the  
limelight.  People like our own Joe Alexander, who we all at FOT owe so  much to, 
Uncle Jack Drews, the late Mike Belfer, and of course Mr. Dentinger  himself to 
name but a few.  I look forward to the day when I can buy a red  #197 TR4, 
a blue #59 TR4, and a baby blue "Beady Eye" TR3 for my  collection, and my 
kids can tell their kids that "My Dad had the honor to  race with THOSE GUYS, 
and I got to be there for it when I was a kid!"
 
I still own the very first Triumph I ever saw (watched it around town when  
I was 5, bought it when I was 15!) and while I am delighted by, humbled by, 
 and add my congratulations to, Bills list of luminaries, I am most 
appreciative  of and inspired by these folks in our own FOT.  Thanks to all of you 
for  the past, present and future memories.  To be there when Bill won our  
group race in the TR3 at the Chicago Historic races in 1987 (?) remains one 
of  my best Triumph experiences.  I am sure that there are hundreds of other 
 such memories in the group.  Thanks everyone for keeping the flame  
burning.
 
John Houlton
 
 
In a message dated 10/4/2009 9:19:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
BillDentin at aol.com writes:

In a  message dated 10/03/2009 3:10:34 PM Central Daylight Time,  
budscars at comcast.net writes:


> <<< just got mine in  the mail(Ebay)...got 2 silver and 1 green..really 
> cool little
>  dudes! >>>


Like a Lemming, I've have followed the rushing  crowd to Walmart and 
purchased two Hot Wheels TRIUMPH TR6 models.   They are both the #17 silver 
race car 
model.  Now if I can only find  my collection of Avon After Shave (in the 
green glass TR3 bottles), I can  keep them all together.  I hope Shirley 
hasn't 
tossed them  out.

Why would a seventy year old man make a special trip to Walmart to  buy Hot 
Wheels?  Total cost...$2.04.  And they're not a gift for  my grandchildren. 
 
They're for myself no less.  It's because  what happened at ROAD AMERICA 
last 
week end is more frosting on our  cake.  Kas, Tullius, and a host of others 
laid the foundation a half  century ago.  By shade tree backyard efforts, 
that winning tradition  was continued in club racing for decades.  Long 
after 
TRIUMPH ceased  production the winning continues.  People like Prentice, 
Wheeler, and  now Halkias continued the winning tradition.    Based on the  
incredible number of wins, and in particular its club racing  
record...clearly, 
TRIUMPH, that sports car for the common man...that  sports car of the great 
unwashed, is one of the greatest marques ever.  

You bet!  I've got mine too.

Bill  (Damdinger)
You  are subscribed as  jhouathome at aol.com

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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun Oct  4 13:03:56 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:03:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
In-Reply-To: <115A3509237E4E5F91CB752357010E5F@latitudefb1e41>
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My comments are in line with Greg Solow's.  My principal concern is with 
the shaft diameter as it relates to the stiffness of the valve train, 
but it could also be related to breakage.  Ideally, you want the valve 
train to be stiff to reduce the deflection and vibrations.  I found the 
same article that Greg mentioned in the Brooklands reprints (for TR2 & 
3) that explained that Triumph beefed up the front portion of the shaft 
to increase the stiffness. According to my measurements, you can't get 
more than 0.300 lift from a regrind without cutting into the core (the 
part between the lobes).  If you want 0.370 lift from a regrind, you'll 
have to undercut the core about 0.200 inch.  That reduce it's stiffness 
by more than 50%. If you grind on a new blank and keep it as large as 
possible, you will not have to make it as small, so it should be both 
stiffer and less likely to break. 

British Parts Northwest did carry blanks for a while, but I understand 
they no longer plan to stock them.  I've just ordered a small batch from 
the UK.  I've seen problems with both the drive gear and the bearing 
surfaces.  My TR3 and Tony Drew's TR4 both have been running cams ground 
on new blanks without any problems.

Perhaps in this discussion, it would be useful to know the lift of the 
cam and whether it was new or reground. You'd expect the front portion 
of the cam to be the part most likely to break.
Larry

Bob Kramer wrote:
> Bob,
>
> Larry Young, who is designing camshafts for some of the FOT, likes to 
> use new blanks rather than regrind for his race camshafts. His 
> thinking is that during the regrind they also reduce the diamter of 
> the shaft to keep it smaller than the base of the lobes. He is worried 
> about your exact problem. Maybe he'll chime in.
>
> Bob K
> Austin TX


From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Oct  4 13:08:38 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 13:08:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?
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BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
> ...
> clearly, TRIUMPH, that sports car for the common man...that sports car of the
> great unwashed, is one of the greatest marques ever. 
>
>   


I wasn't paying that much attention to this Hot Wheels fervor.  After 
reading Bill's
comment, though, I think I'll be getting one myself to perch atop one of 
the Team.Net
servers.

As many of you know I host many email lists, most involving old sports 
cars of some
type or another.  I haven't actually counted lately, but the last time I 
did there were
something like 15,000 subscriptions all told.  It takes a bit of my time 
and I do it for
free, mostly, though I do solicit contributions now and again to cover 
my expenses and
new hardware as needed to keep things going.  Sometimes, like the AOL 
block a few
months ago, it is quite a chore and I wonder why I bother.

This FOT list, however, is not a bother, but an honor.  We're coming up 
on the 13th
anniversary of this list, we've got almost 300 members.  It has been a 
few years since
I've had a Triumph on the track, almost a year since I've had one on the 
street.  But this
list helps me keep my enthusiasm going.

The offer of the trip to Portland this year is a good indicator of the 
type of people on
this list.  And  the trip to Hallett for the 10th Anniversary was 
another great example.
I remember back at Mid-Ohio in 2002 heading to the bleachers over there 
north of the
paddock to catch the start of the Triumph feature race.  Lots of Triumph 
fans were
there, excited to be part of the event, everyone yakking away.  When the 
field came up
the hill to the turn ready to take the green, it got REAL quiet in the 
stands.  A moment
of life I will cherish forever.

Yep, I gotta  get a little Triumph racer to adorn my office.

Thanks, folks.

mjb.


From robertten1 at aol.com  Sun Oct  4 15:41:25 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:41:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels an adventure in Wally World
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 I found a silver one at Target, haven't been to Walworld yet


Bob T


 


 

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Sent: Sun, Oct 4, 2009 12:30 pm
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels an adventure in Wally World










Well it has been interesting being in "Wally World" getting in front of kids
looking for TR-6s , felt like a kid again and then got ribbed by the wife when
I got home, only found one so far ...but there is another Wal-Mart in town!
There is no rhyme or reason to the way they put the little car on the rack so
you have to go thru every one of them. Three or four people looked at me
rambling thru the cars as some hit the floor and one lady wanted to know if I
had seen any helicopters , I told her I was only half thru of the 300 it
seemed cars. Good luck hunting!

Rob deanes
TR-4 Racer  #62
TR-6, TR-4 Street
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From Catpusher at aol.com  Sun Oct  4 15:59:11 2009
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 17:59:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
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I agree completely with Greg.
 
I never had a problem with the Kas cams, including the one that he ground  
for me on the last known blank from the Triumph parts system.
 
I had two cam grinders brush off the information about the two diameters,  
and lost three cams over the years.
 
The most frustrating one broke in front of the gear in T3 at the old  
Laguna; if only the rotor had stopped pointing to the #1 plug, the crank trigger  
might have made it to the top of the hill on the last lap of the last 
season  race, as the front two lobes still worked; it cost the divisional title.
 
The worst was one that broke in two places, and allowed the front part of  
the cam to fall down into the crank.
 
I installed and closely watched the cam bearings, and polished the radii on 
 both sides of the gear, and magged the cam at least once a year.
 
Hardy
 
 
In a message dated 10/4/2009 9:06:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:

From:  "Greg Solow" <gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Survey:  TR3-4 camshaft breakage
To: "ofbracing" <ofbracing at nefcom.net>, "'Bob  Adams'"

I have never experienced any camshaft breakage, but in a  reprint of an 
article from the English magazine Autocar from April 8, 1955  excessive 
camshaft bending in the area of the oil pump drive gear is  mentioned. And 
this was with early light springs but continuous use over  5,000 rpm. to 
cure 
the problems the front part only of the camshaft was  increased in diameter 
by 1/8". Remember, the span of support in the front  of the engine is twice 
as large as in the rear half. The drive gear has  replaced the bearing that 
would  be expected in this  location.
I believe that the shaft diameter should not be  reduced below its 
original as cast diameter for this reason. If a cam  grind has so much lift 
or duration that the shaft diameter has to be  reduced to accommodate a 
small 
base circle, then the lobes need to be  welded up or a new cam blank with 
large enough lobes should be used. The  new cam blank should be checked to 
make sure the front part of the shaft  is 1/8" larger than the rear part. 
it 
should also be the same minimum size  as the original shaft.......


From jaboruch at netzero.net  Sun Oct  4 17:40:41 2009
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 23:40:41 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
Message-ID: <20091004.194041.17310.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com>

I have broken one.  Mis-shifted, 10000+ rpms, valve float, bang - lots of
broken parts.  Joe(B)

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To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:44:11 -0400

Has anyone broken one, and by broken I mean snapped in two?

If you have where did it break, and what did you determine to be the cause?

Thanks,

Bob
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From jerrybarr at charter.net  Sun Oct  4 20:10:59 2009
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (jerrybarr at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 02:10:59 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?
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My sweet wife and I are in Spearfish SD so we went to the local Walmart to look for the TR6 racers. After looking though the whole rack all we found was a Dstun 510 so I bought it so I can stomp on it.
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?
Sent: Oct 4, 2009 9:38 AM

Very nice Bill
Racer Bud
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  Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 6:52 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?


  In a message dated 10/03/2009 3:10:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
budscars at comcast.net writes:



    <<< just got mine in the mail(Ebay)...got 2 silver and 1 green..really
cool little
    dudes! >>>



  Like a Lemming, I've have followed the rushing crowd to Walmart and
purchased two Hot Wheels TRIUMPH TR6 models.  They are both the #17 silver
race car model.  Now if I can only find my collection of Avon After Shave (in
the green glass TR3 bottles), I can keep them all together.  I hope Shirley
hasn't tossed them out.

  Why would a seventy year old man make a special trip to Walmart to buy Hot
Wheels?  Total cost...$2.04.  And they're not a gift for my grandchildren.
They're for myself no less.  It's because what happened at ROAD AMERICA last
week end is more frosting on our cake.  Kas, Tullius, and a host of others
laid the foundation a half century ago.  By shade tree backyard efforts, that
winning tradition was continued in club racing for decades.  Long after
TRIUMPH ceased production the winning continues.  People like Prentice,
Wheeler, and now Halkias continued the winning tradition.    Based on the
incredible number of wins, and in particular its club racing record...clearly,
TRIUMPH, that sports car for the common man...that sports car of the great
unwashed, is one of the greatest marques ever.

  You bet!  I've got mine too.

  Bill (Damdinger)
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Oct  5 07:44:27 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:44:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels...WHY?
Message-ID: <c4f.51e97b43.37fb523b@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/04/2009 12:23:58 PM Central Daylight Time, JHOUATHOME 
writes:


> I still own the very first Triumph I ever saw (watched it around town 
> when I was 5, bought it when I was 15!) and while I am delighted by, humbled 
> by, and add my congratulations to, Bills list of luminaries, I am most 
> appreciative of and inspired by these folks in our own FOT.  Thanks to all of 
> you for the past, present and future memories.  To be there when Bill won our 
> group race in the TR3 at the Chicago Historic races in 1987 (?) remains 
> one of my best Triumph experiences.  I am sure that there are hundreds of 
> other such memories in the group.  Thanks everyone for keeping the flame 
> burning.
> 

Ah so.  So then...you're the other guy who remembers that early CHR race.  
That was in the wet too.

Bill (Damdinger)


From emanteno at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 09:29:03 2009
From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:29:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Bill D winning in the rain, was Hot Wheels...WHY?
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On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:44 AM, <BillDentin at aol.com> wrote:

Ah so.  So then...you're the other guy who remembers that early CHR race.
> That was in the wet too.
>


I remember it as well. I was flagging at Corner 6 for that race.

Irv


From emanteno at comcast.net  Mon Oct  5 09:34:34 2009
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:34:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Cool Sight
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I just got back from VTR/TRiumphest, and the second coolest sight (Paul
Smock was #1) was a TR6 with an ARKAY turbo set up on it. I had never seen
one before. What a nice installation, but of course, we all know why that
is.

Irv


From robertten1 at aol.com  Mon Oct  5 09:32:27 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:32:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Autocross Weekend
Message-ID: <8CC13E82DF5DB1A-3B68-4F398@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com>

Amici,

As an autocrosser I thought I 'd pass along my weekend experience that I shared with a fellow autocrosser here in New England.

Cheers,
Bob T
'64 Spitfire GT? autocrosser


So I had a full weekend of autocrossing
starting with the local Miata club on a wet Saturday.? There weren't any
downpours till the very end of the afternoon runs but the surface was
wet none the less, with several spots with standing water.? My Toyo's
finally started to shine once I found that 8 lbs. less of air was the
trick.? I found lots of grip and only had to be careful in the tight
turn arounds.? Even the event chair was surprised how well I was doing.? Its the
best I ever felt behind the wheel in the wet, very confident in the
car.? So, yes I had very low times, not as good as top driver in the HondaCRX in my class,
and I did hit a few cones in the process but that's the price to find a quicker time.? To top off a great day of racing I won the raffle, a
$50.00 Shell Gas Card, yahoo!? This paid for all my travel gas for the
weekend plus.



So after a wet and cold Saturday, I ventured out on Sunday to Hartford,
CT, for the Jaguar Club of Southern New England's 2nd Annual Slalom.?
Needless to say the day got better and better weather wise.? The club has use of a great lot that is more than adequate for the Jag course with tons
of run off area everywhere.? There was some grumbling that the surface
was damp but Jag owners had this second chance to do well as far as
JCNA National Times in their respective classes .? Got to see some familiar faces and
saw some interesting cars.? Gary was there with his silver E-Type minus
the graphics, there were a couple Healey 3000's, a problem bound '62
Lotus 7 ( a real Lotus ),? Ray Zeza with a nice former World Challenge
Corvette ( a Kim Baker car ) and the usual mix of Jag's and others that
we see at the JANE events.? People were having a good ole time turning
in good times for their particular group.? I was still on my Toyo's
running about 2 lbs extra in them, seems to be the answer for these
tight tight courses too.? Yes, I'm fially back in the 40 second range, after a few years in the 41 to 42 second range, I have reached my
goal.? I believe I ended up second in Class Z behind Ray's Corvette,
sorry I can't remember his best time ( 39 or 38 ??? ).? Gary said he
wished he had his race tires cause he was stuck in the 42's on street tires,
but admits that was good times for the tires.? Forgot to mention Jim
was there with his monster Race V12 E-Type but suffered a water pump
pulley failure on the co-drivers first run ( 40.3 )? Jim never got to
make a second competitive run.



All in all it was a great race weekend, ran alot, learned alot and
achieved alot.? I'm a very happy camper indeed!? One race weekend left
and I hate to say it ... winter solstace.



Cheers mate,

Bob T


From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Oct  5 10:26:53 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:26:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Emailing: IMG_8342 (1)   My friend's 'TRIUMPH'
Message-ID: <8701DE415DA644B8A2FFA4DB61189A8F@Bud>

Hi Gang...not a 'Triumph' per say, but definetely a triumph in it's Art
Form.....This is my friend John Lewis' drag car...
Racer Bud
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Oct  5 10:45:22 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 12:45:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cool Sight
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did uncle jack find a home......?












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Sent: Mon, Oct 5, 2009 10:34 am
Subject: [Fot] Cool Sight



I just got back from VTR/TRiumphest, and the second coolest sight (Paul
Smock was #1) was a TR6 with an ARKAY turbo set up on it. I had never seen
one before. What a nice installation, but of course, we all know why that
is.

Irv
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Mon Oct  5 13:44:47 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:44:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spit question
Message-ID: <8CC140B6DDA0577-F54-19A5@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com>

Amici,

I'm here going thru my spares while preparing to rebuild 3 transmissions and have come across a dilemma ... the throw out bearing carrier. Do I have early or late parts ( b&b 3 finger or diaphram ) ?? If some one could tell me if the longer ( I need to know the length between the bottom of bearing to the flange the sets in the fork ) is for the which clutch set up?

Got here do to I'm running a GT6 gearbox and things are different for that set up.? An help from those knowledgable would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Bob T
'63 Spitfire MK1
'64 Spitfire GT autocrosser


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Oct  5 15:21:58 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:21:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fw: not auto related...Joke from my Mom...She's a Triumph
References: <7347E9BFA45348D49B980D695A82223C@Bud>
Message-ID: <189036B515894E7B97FC499A416E5042@rocky>

I'm going to have to find some kindergarten kid to tell that too. I'm sure 
someone in that age range will think it's hilarious!

;-)

--Rocket J. Squirrel


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Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:15 PM
Subject: [Fot] Fw: not auto related...Joke from my Mom...She's a Triumph


> -
>
>
> Hi Gang......My Mom...88 years old.... called me tonight to tell me a
> joke...She laughed while she told it...This is what Cute Stuff is about..
>
> WHY DID THE RAISIN GO OUT WITH THE PRUNE?
> BECAUSE HE COULDN'T GET A DATE!
> Racer Bud
>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Oct  5 15:27:47 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:27:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: not auto related...Joke from my Mom...She's a Triumph
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	<189036B515894E7B97FC499A416E5042@rocky>
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I told it to my 6 year old grandson yesterday..he loved it.. got it right 
away!
RB
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To: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: not auto related...Joke from my Mom...She's a Triumph


> I'm going to have to find some kindergarten kid to tell that too. I'm sure 
> someone in that age range will think it's hilarious!
>
> ;-)
>
> --Rocket J. Squirrel
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:15 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Fw: not auto related...Joke from my Mom...She's a Triumph
>
>
>> -
>>
>>
>> Hi Gang......My Mom...88 years old.... called me tonight to tell me a
>> joke...She laughed while she told it...This is what Cute Stuff is about..
>>
>> WHY DID THE RAISIN GO OUT WITH THE PRUNE?
>> BECAUSE HE COULDN'T GET A DATE!
>> Racer Bud
>>
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From stutzmans at comcast.net  Mon Oct  5 21:31:59 2009
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 23:31:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage
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I've been reading your comments on this issue with considerable interest.
I have ruined lobes on several Isky555 regrinds over the years - always 
blamed it on the lifters.  I dug one out from under the work bench today and 
examined it.  The diameter of the fat half of the shaft has been cut down 
about .050 in.  The cam lift on a 555 is .298 in.
Do you think that is enough to be causing my problem of ruining lobes?
Bruce

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Survey: TR3-4 camshaft breakage


> My comments are in line with Greg Solow's.  My principal concern is with
> the shaft diameter as it relates to the stiffness of the valve train,
> but it could also be related to breakage.  Ideally, you want the valve
> train to be stiff to reduce the deflection and vibrations.  I found the
> same article that Greg mentioned in the Brooklands reprints (for TR2 &
> 3) that explained that Triumph beefed up the front portion of the shaft
> to increase the stiffness. According to my measurements, you can't get
> more than 0.300 lift from a regrind without cutting into the core (the
> part between the lobes).  If you want 0.370 lift from a regrind, you'll
> have to undercut the core about 0.200 inch.  That reduce it's stiffness
> by more than 50%. If you grind on a new blank and keep it as large as
> possible, you will not have to make it as small, so it should be both
> stiffer and less likely to break.
>
> British Parts Northwest did carry blanks for a while, but I understand
> they no longer plan to stock them.  I've just ordered a small batch from
> the UK.  I've seen problems with both the drive gear and the bearing
> surfaces.  My TR3 and Tony Drew's TR4 both have been running cams ground
> on new blanks without any problems.
>
> Perhaps in this discussion, it would be useful to know the lift of the
> cam and whether it was new or reground. You'd expect the front portion
> of the cam to be the part most likely to break.
> Larry
>
> Bob Kramer wrote:
>> Bob,
>>
>> Larry Young, who is designing camshafts for some of the FOT, likes to
>> use new blanks rather than regrind for his race camshafts. His
>> thinking is that during the regrind they also reduce the diamter of
>> the shaft to keep it smaller than the base of the lobes. He is worried
>> about your exact problem. Maybe he'll chime in.
>>
>> Bob K
>> Austin TX
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue Oct  6 09:28:14 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:28:14 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Big Bore Bash - Willow Springs November
Message-ID: <d60.59ee1b68.37fcbc0e@cs.com>

SOCAL FOT,

It looks like Kent Howard (original TR4A owner) and I will attend the VARA 
Big Bash Bore event at Willow Springs in November.

Interested in who will be there and can bring stuff if anyone needs 
anything.

Joe Alexander


From mlbruner53 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  6 10:20:17 2009
From: mlbruner53 at yahoo.com (Michael Bruner)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:20:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Big Bore Bash - Willow Springs November
In-Reply-To: <d60.59ee1b68.37fcbc0e@cs.com>
Message-ID: <324497.56751.qm@web54111.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I'm planning on being there and I have a whole truck of spares your welcome to
share.  Looking forward to seeing you there.

Mike Bruner
TR4A - #612
Blacksmith Racing

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, N197TR4 at cs.com <N197TR4 at cs.com> wrote:


From: N197TR4 at cs.com <N197TR4 at cs.com>
Subject: [Fot] Big Bore Bash - Willow Springs November
To: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 8:28 AM


SOCAL FOT,

It looks like Kent Howard (original TR4A owner) and I will attend the VARA
Big Bash Bore event at Willow Springs in November.

Interested in who will be there and can bring stuff if anyone needs
anything.

Joe Alexander
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Oct  6 11:18:46 2009
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:18:46 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] Big Bore Bash - Willow Springs November
Message-ID: <33505400.1254849526897.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I'll be there with the  TR3.  Look forward to seeing you, Joe.



~Steve

-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Oct 6, 2009 8:28 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] Big Bore Bash - Willow Springs November
>
>SOCAL FOT,
>
>It looks like Kent Howard (original TR4A owner) and I will attend the VARA 
>Big Bash Bore event at Willow Springs in November.
>
>Interested in who will be there and can bring stuff if anyone needs 
>anything.
>
>Joe Alexander
>
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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct  6 12:11:06 2009
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:11:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] blackhawk farms racers
Message-ID: <909435.27306.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

looking for motel info .... for those who frequent Blackhawk Farms in Beloit,
Wi.   Has anyone ever stayed at the "Riverside Motel", or know anything about
it?????  Would like to hear what its like ...
  Thanks in advance,


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire


From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct  6 12:17:43 2009
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:17:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] blackhawk farms racers ...
Message-ID: <803949.10461.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

looking for motel info .... for those who frequent Blackhawk Farms in Beloit,
Wi.   Has anyone ever stayed at the "Riverside Motel", or know anything about
it?????  Would like to hear what its like ...
  Thanks in advance,


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue Oct  6 18:49:51 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:49:51 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Cross country Stag Sighting
Message-ID: <BLU116-W29A524EA645A490032D1C790CD0@phx.gbl>

I am here in Las Vegas for a convention and went to the parking Garage here at
the Hilton Gardens and sighted a Triumph Stag, in running condition.  It was
the cross country Stag.  Good luck on the rest of your trip, I assume the
return......Cheers Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Wed Oct  7 01:53:16 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 01:53:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TTA Stag
Message-ID: <BLU116-W2439FFEED8E8535AFD955990CD0@phx.gbl>

Just got in, didn't see any FOT shirts at the Playboy Club.  TTA Stag is still
here, is there an emergency I can help
with?????...................................         Cheers Henry Morrison,
Albuquerque, NM Currently Las Vegas.........................


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Oct  7 07:42:15 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:42:15 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Southwick Axles - NFI - Transport Cores from CA to IL
Message-ID: <bde.54ff8319.37fdf4b7@cs.com>

FOT:

If someone on the west coast wants to have a TR3/TR4Southwick Axle done. I 
can volunteer to transport one or two from California to Southwick and save 
you shipping charges.

You must have a good axle housing with backing plates.....no internals and 
clean.
You must make arrangements with Southwick for the work and payment yourself.

I will be at Willow Springs for the Big Bore Bash. 8-9 Nov. If you have one 
lying about and want to donate (get rid of it) to some other person for 
their cost avoidance, donate it.  Jack & I left off 4 or 5 for TR Racers to use 
and they are gone now.

Joe Alexander


From Group44TR7 at aol.com  Wed Oct  7 12:49:24 2009
From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 14:49:24 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Michael Porter Please
Message-ID: <d5f.5960384c.37fe3cb4@aol.com>

Michael
 
        Please let me know how to  best contact you
 
Cary Perket


From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 09:08:38 2009
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:08:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 limited slip??
Message-ID: <4ACE0076.8050203@gmail.com>

I'm currently planning some work on my street TR3A at the end of the 
year.  My car really needs help in the rear wheel traction department.

I'm looking for a Limited slip to install in my TR3.  Does anyone have a 
good condition Quaif or Salisbury sitting on the shelf that they might 
wish to sell?  Lacking that can you point me in the direction of where I 
could purchase a new one?

My anticipated purchase date would be in late December.

Thanks,

Teriann


From markvaden at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 10:55:09 2009
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:55:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 limited slip??
In-Reply-To: <4ACE0076.8050203@gmail.com>
References: <4ACE0076.8050203@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <285b8a860910080955x3dd11286m6df73bfc810d8bff@mail.gmail.com>

I think my buddy Randy at HeritageMotorsports can get a pretty good
deal on a new quaife. His shops number is 619 447 0025.

-Mark

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 8:08 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
wrote:
> I'm currently planning some work on my street TR3A at the end of the year.
>  My car really needs help in the rear wheel traction department.
>
> I'm looking for a Limited slip to install in my TR3.  Does anyone have a
> good condition Quaif or Salisbury sitting on the shelf that they might wish
> to sell?  Lacking that can you point me in the direction of where I could
> purchase a new one?
>
> My anticipated purchase date would be in late December.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Teriann
>
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From rikrock at aol.com  Thu Oct  8 11:35:33 2009
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 13:35:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
Message-ID: <8CC1654DF4538CC-8690-1D118@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>

Sure to make the purists cringe!



http://formula-ccm.tripod.com/old-car-pics.html



Rich Rock


From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Oct  8 12:17:44 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:17:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
References: <8CC1654DF4538CC-8690-1D118@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <221B6AD861FD45A8AA09B49BD78220B6@Bud>

thanks Rich....wonderful stuff!..and the entry fees were 20 bucks
Racer Bud
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Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3


> Sure to make the purists cringe!
> 
> 
> 
> http://formula-ccm.tripod.com/old-car-pics.html
> 
> 
> 
> Rich Rock
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Oct  8 12:27:25 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:27:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
In-Reply-To: <8CC1654DF4538CC-8690-1D118@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC1654DF4538CC-8690-1D118@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC165C1D19FC90-3F58-96D9@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com>

Great trip down memory lane.



Corvair Comment: I once changed a Corvair clutch by unbolting everything and lifting the? rear of the body off with my dad's endloader and a chain, leaving the engine sitting on the floor. 



Sign of The Times....1967-1976:? I was reading the TR6 factory manual today. It says, 'begin working on the TR6 BY FIRST TYING YOUR? LONG HAIR BEHIND YOUR HEAD'.

-----Original Message-----
From: rikrock at aol.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2009 12:35 pm
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3




Sure to make the purists cringe!



http://formula-ccm.tripod.com/old-car-pics.html



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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct  8 12:36:21 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:36:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS limited slip
In-Reply-To: <4ACE0076.8050203@gmail.com>
References: <4ACE0076.8050203@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <797204.72304.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI - while we are on the subject again.
Which do you think would be harder on the 'U'joints in an IRS TR.
1) a welded diff or
2) a detriot locker

Thanks
Dennis


From billb at bnj.com  Thu Oct  8 12:40:55 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:40:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
In-Reply-To: <8CC1654DF4538CC-8690-1D118@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC1654DF4538CC-8690-1D118@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <F2B56A1A-42A6-477E-B1CD-A3A08454D4E8@bnj.com>

great pictures!

On Oct 8, 2009, at 10:35 AM, rikrock at aol.com wrote:

> Sure to make the purists cringe!
>
>
>
> http://formula-ccm.tripod.com/old-car-pics.html
>
>
>
> Rich Rock
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Thu Oct  8 13:52:43 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:52:43 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
In-Reply-To: <8CC1654DF4538CC-8690-1D118@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC1654DF4538CC-8690-1D118@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <f83baf96af48.4ace430b@optonline.net>

Great pics!  Thanks Rich.



----- Original Message -----
From: rikrock at aol.com
Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009 2:05 pm
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
To: fot at autox.team.net

> Sure to make the purists cringe!
> 
> 
> 
> http://formula-ccm.tripod.com/old-car-pics.html
> 
> 
> 
> Rich Rock
> 
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Thu Oct  8 13:57:14 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:57:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS limited slip
In-Reply-To: <797204.72304.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4ACE0076.8050203@gmail.com>
	<797204.72304.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A061693CE9E@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Dennis,

I have a TR4A and I have upgraded to the Moss Europe rear hubs and
half-shafts. I have a Detroit Locket but I wouldn't worry about the u-joints
with a welded diff with these axles. The u-joints are much beefier, as is
everything else. Richard Good also sells a half shaft coversion for a TR6 that
should be as "good".

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Dennis DeLap
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:36 PM
To: TeriAnn J. Wakeman; FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 IRS limited slip

AMICI - while we are on the subject again.
Which do you think would be harder on the 'U'joints in an IRS TR.
1) a welded diff or
2) a detriot locker

Thanks
Dennis
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 16:49:50 2009
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:49:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Diff question
Message-ID: <4ACE6C8E.3040105@gmail.com>

I occurred to me that I'm not familiar with a Salisbury carrier except 
seeing it mentioned on this list.  Is it a locker or an automatic torque 
biasing diff?

I know a Quaife would work for me but I prefer something that is just a 
little more aggressive at transferring torque and I want to stay away 
from a locker.

Thanks

Teriann


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Oct  8 16:52:45 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:52:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] some Sam Halkias photos from Road america
References: <4ACE0076.8050203@gmail.com><797204.72304.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A061693CE9E@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <296AEDD4BF5A45779C7FC7F90B8BEC9A@latitudefb1e41>

http://www.flickr.com/photos/len5/sets/72157622356528325/?page=3


From billb at bnj.com  Thu Oct  8 17:46:54 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:46:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Diff question
In-Reply-To: <4ACE6C8E.3040105@gmail.com>
References: <4ACE6C8E.3040105@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <19D9BA10-97CA-4F37-BB99-EB2D61F4C31F@bnj.com>

Well then that would be a Salisbury.  Salisbury is a clutch-type diff,  
which can be adjusted to be far more aggressive than a quaife. Not  
cheap, and it's a good idea to figure out a way to cool them, like  
perhaps a finned diff cover, but they are da kine (beginning mental  
prep to bail to maui).
On Oct 8, 2009, at 3:49 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote:

> I occurred to me that I'm not familiar with a Salisbury carrier  
> except seeing it mentioned on this list.  Is it a locker or an  
> automatic torque biasing diff?
>
> I know a Quaife would work for me but I prefer something that is  
> just a little more aggressive at transferring torque and I want to  
> stay away from a locker.
>
> Thanks
>
> Teriann
>
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Thu Oct  8 17:56:54 2009
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:56:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] some Sam Halkias photos from Road america
In-Reply-To: <296AEDD4BF5A45779C7FC7F90B8BEC9A@latitudefb1e41>
References: <4ACE0076.8050203@gmail.com><797204.72304.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A061693CE9E@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
	<296AEDD4BF5A45779C7FC7F90B8BEC9A@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <000001ca4873$048849c0$0d98dd40$@racer@comcast.net>

Speaking of Sam, he received a nice mention in the Runoffs coverage in the
Oct. 5 issue of Autoweek.  Two pages of coverage with the following
paragraph about Sam: 

"The race was won by Sam Halkias in his ancient Triumph TR6, he finessed his
way through the field from a 10th place starting sport.  Halkias, who had
competed in 21 previous Runoffs, had missed only one - a couple of years
ago, after a stroke - and had never won the race.  He had been coming since
1972 as a spectator - his father died at the Runoffs, he said - and he began
crying during the post race driver interviews.  'Tears of joy', I assure you
he said, 'This means so much'".  

The article finished after the above with "That's the SCCA at its best, and
it was pretty darn good for the Runoffs".

Congratulations Sam.

Gary 
62 TR4
69 TR6

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Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 3:53 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] some Sam Halkias photos from Road america

http://www.flickr.com/photos/len5/sets/72157622356528325/?page=3
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From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Thu Oct  8 18:31:37 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:31:37 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Diff question
Message-ID: <bcd.586ae746.37ffde69@aol.com>

You can get both items from Racetorations in the UK.  I have them in  my TR 
3B.  Not cheap but very good.
 
Gary Fuqua
Classic Sports Cars
Branson, MO


From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 21:47:18 2009
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:47:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Diff question
In-Reply-To: <19D9BA10-97CA-4F37-BB99-EB2D61F4C31F@bnj.com>
References: <4ACE6C8E.3040105@gmail.com>
	<19D9BA10-97CA-4F37-BB99-EB2D61F4C31F@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <4ACEB246.80208@gmail.com>

Bill Babcock wrote:
> Well then that would be a Salisbury.  Salisbury is a clutch-type diff, 
> which can be adjusted to be far more aggressive than a quaife. Not 
> cheap, and it's a good idea to figure out a way to cool them, like 
> perhaps a finned diff cover, but they are da kine (beginning mental 
> prep to bail to maui).

Thanks for the clarification Bill.  As it happens, my car already has a 
finned magnesium extra capacity diff cover.

Now all I need is a good used Salisbury carrier for a TR3A.  Anyone have 
one on the shelf?

Teriann


From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Fri Oct  9 05:50:01 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:50:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
References: <8CC1654DF4538CC-8690-1D118@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <014601ca48d6$a2a64f90$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  WOW! Does this bring back some memories!
  I also went to the Glen USGP for the first time in '68; I guess that was
the start of my downfall. I still have my tickets, also. I swore that some
day I'd race there; 39 years later, I did the SVRA Vintage GP. Had a blast.

  We called them "field cars" at my place. I had a '49 Ford and my pal Andy
had a '50 Chevy. Buddy Mike had something, not sure what. After our crops
were taken off one field, in the Fall of '66, I think, I made an oval by
using my dad's 8 foot disc. Had slight banking on the turns using the
existing terrain. We took the mufflers off and tied the doors shut for
safety and had at it. After a while we stopped to let the dust settle and
noticed several cars had stopped along the road to watch! Great fun. Un
fortunately, no photos.

  Great photos.
  As Bob Hope once said, thanks for the memories>
  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: <rikrock at aol.com>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:35 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3


  > Sure to make the purists cringe!
  >
  >
  >
  > http://formula-ccm.tripod.com/old-car-pics.html
  >
  >
  >
  > Rich Rock
  >
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From triosan at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 08:05:42 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:05:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Diff question
In-Reply-To: <4ACEB246.80208@gmail.com>
References: <4ACE6C8E.3040105@gmail.com>
	<19D9BA10-97CA-4F37-BB99-EB2D61F4C31F@bnj.com>
	<4ACEB246.80208@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0910090705q48dc393aue031d70a87132e0f@mail.gmail.com>

Try Ken Gillanders at British Frame and Engine.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 8:47 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Bill Babcock wrote:
>>
>> Well then that would be a Salisbury.  Salisbury is a clutch-type diff,
>> which can be adjusted to be far more aggressive than a quaife. Not cheap,
>> and it's a good idea to figure out a way to cool them, like perhaps a
finned
>> diff cover, but they are da kine (beginning mental prep to bail to maui).
>
> Thanks for the clarification Bill.  As it happens, my car already has a
> finned magnesium extra capacity diff cover.
>
> Now all I need is a good used Salisbury carrier for a TR3A.  Anyone have
one
> on the shelf?
>
> Teriann
>
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Fri Oct  9 09:13:10 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:13:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Who asked us about wanting an Amphicar?
Message-ID: <E98C9FB0-DA9D-4686-BCF3-9E2B674611D9@141.com>

Please shoot me an email--I apologize, we have forgotten who asked us  
about it.

Susan     :)


Sent from my iPhone


From riverside at southslope.net  Fri Oct  9 09:21:50 2009
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:21:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] e-mail problem
Message-ID: <001c01ca48f4$3994beb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>

I hate to bomb the group with this problem, but i have several months
of FOT e-mails that i cannot access and there are several that i
really need.

For some reason beyond my comprehension, my outlook express
created a second in box and will not let me into my
old one.  it is still in the outlook express location.  My tech support
people don't know what to do.

Can anybody in the group suggest a fix or a source for tech help
that can?    Thanks


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Fri Oct  9 09:58:50 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:58:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
In-Reply-To: <014601ca48d6$a2a64f90$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <6CFC01B19D704FF38FBDAB3DFDF37C4B@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

The "field cars" comment brought back some memories of Ireland.  A few years
ago, my wife and I were visiting Ireland and spotted a notice in the window
of a grocery store that said "Autograss Racing this Sunday" and gave the
location.  We thought it said autocross racing, so when we went to find the
track that Sunday we were not sure what we were in for.

Sure enough, it was an oval plowed out of a working pasture.  Had to drive
the rental car through disinfectant because of the hoof and mouth disease
that year.  First thing we heard when we opened the car door was the mother
in the car next to us hollering at her kids "I told you to watch where you
were walking!".

Anyway it was a great event.  60-80 cars from small sedans to rear engined
buggys made from front engined cars.  They all had heavy metal mesh instead
of a windshield since the track had millions of rocks the size of your fist
in the dirt surface.  The heats were only about 5 laps long and the
announcer sounded like he was calling a horse race - couldn't understand a
thing he said.  Spectators were held back about 50 ft from the main straight
by a rope.  Grassroots racing at it's finest.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of WILLIAM TOBIN
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 4:50 AM
To: rikrock at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Unusual TR-3


  WOW! Does this bring back some memories!
  I also went to the Glen USGP for the first time in '68; I guess that was
the start of my downfall. I still have my tickets, also. I swore that some
day I'd race there; 39 years later, I did the SVRA Vintage GP. Had a blast.

  We called them "field cars" at my place. I had a '49 Ford and my pal Andy
had a '50 Chevy. Buddy Mike had something, not sure what. After our crops
were taken off one field, in the Fall of '66, I think, I made an oval by
using my dad's 8 foot disc. Had slight banking on the turns using the
existing terrain. We took the mufflers off and tied the doors shut for
safety and had at it. After a while we stopped to let the dust settle and
noticed several cars had stopped along the road to watch! Great fun. Un
fortunately, no photos.

  Great photos.
  As Bob Hope once said, thanks for the memories>
  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: <rikrock at aol.com>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:35 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3


  > Sure to make the purists cringe!
  >
  >
  >
  > http://formula-ccm.tripod.com/old-car-pics.html
  >
  >
  >
  > Rich Rock
  >
  > _______________________________________________
  >
  > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
  >
  > http://www.fot-racing.com
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Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From bownes at seiri.com  Fri Oct  9 11:35:31 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:35:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
In-Reply-To: <6CFC01B19D704FF38FBDAB3DFDF37C4B@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
References: <014601ca48d6$a2a64f90$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
	<6CFC01B19D704FF38FBDAB3DFDF37C4B@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330910091035p7e10a7bbkbdc34def1d52c64@mail.gmail.com>

Ah.. field cars. Mine was a Pontiac Tempest. There was an old pre-war Ford
out in the
woods I always dreamed out saving , but never could figure out the logistics
of explaining it
to my GM employed father.


On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Norlin Engineering <
norlinengineering at comcast.net> wrote:

> The "field cars" comment brought back some memories of Ireland.  A few
> years
> ago, my wife and I were visiting Ireland and spotted a notice in the window
> of a grocery store that said "Autograss Racing this Sunday" and gave the
> location.  We thought it said autocross racing, so when we went to find the
> track that Sunday we were not sure what we were in for.
>
> Sure enough, it was an oval plowed out of a working pasture.  Had to drive
> the rental car through disinfectant because of the hoof and mouth disease
> that year.  First thing we heard when we opened the car door was the mother
> in the car next to us hollering at her kids "I told you to watch where you
> were walking!".
>
> Anyway it was a great event.  60-80 cars from small sedans to rear engined
> buggys made from front engined cars.  They all had heavy metal mesh instead
> of a windshield since the track had millions of rocks the size of your fist
> in the dirt surface.  The heats were only about 5 laps long and the
> announcer sounded like he was calling a horse race - couldn't understand a
> thing he said.  Spectators were held back about 50 ft from the main
> straight
> by a rope.  Grassroots racing at it's finest.
>
> Jim Norlin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of WILLIAM TOBIN
> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 4:50 AM
> To: rikrock at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
>
>
>  WOW! Does this bring back some memories!
>  I also went to the Glen USGP for the first time in '68; I guess that was
> the start of my downfall. I still have my tickets, also. I swore that some
> day I'd race there; 39 years later, I did the SVRA Vintage GP. Had a blast.
>
>  We called them "field cars" at my place. I had a '49 Ford and my pal Andy
> had a '50 Chevy. Buddy Mike had something, not sure what. After our crops
> were taken off one field, in the Fall of '66, I think, I made an oval by
> using my dad's 8 foot disc. Had slight banking on the turns using the
> existing terrain. We took the mufflers off and tied the doors shut for
> safety and had at it. After a while we stopped to let the dust settle and
> noticed several cars had stopped along the road to watch! Great fun. Un
> fortunately, no photos.
>
>  Great photos.
>  As Bob Hope once said, thanks for the memories>
>  Bill----- Original Message -----
>  From: <rikrock at aol.com>
>  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>  Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:35 PM
>  Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
>
>
>  > Sure to make the purists cringe!
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > http://formula-ccm.tripod.com/old-car-pics.html
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Rich Rock
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
>  >
>  > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Oct  9 22:25:44 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:25:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] tr3 hot plugs
In-Reply-To: <7.1.0.9.0.20091009231924.10271be0@tonydrews.com>
References: <BLU147-W2490C66DACC82D4299D591DDCC0@phx.gbl>
	<634160.88292.qm@web111618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<258392.88369.qm@web111615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<7.1.0.9.0.20091009231924.10271be0@tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <20091010042611.2772618764D@autox.team.net>



From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Oct 10 02:24:29 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 02:24:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] e-mail problem
In-Reply-To: <001c01ca48f4$3994beb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <001c01ca48f4$3994beb0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <4AD044BD.5060009@bradakis.com>

>  but i have several months
> of FOT e-mails that i cannot access and there are several that i
> really need.
>
>
>   


I can't help with Outlook, and will refrain from offering my opinion on
that, uh, fine software, but I will point out that past FOT emails can be
found at http://www.team.net/archive


mjb.


From munsonsb at telus.net  Sat Oct 10 11:16:22 2009
From: munsonsb at telus.net (munsonsb at telus.net)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:16:22 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Fot] Canadian Newbie - Introduction
Message-ID: <9083184.2303787.1255194982252.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes95>

Hi All - My Name is Barry Munson and I live in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.
First I want to thank Joe Alexander for his introduction and my nomination to Fot. As a component of that nomination he asked that I prepare a short personal synopsis and I must admit that I have been enjoying the benefits of being on the Fot list without fulfilling that request. So here goes........
I am a racer, a builder, a breaker, and a teacher. I am an aquatic toxicologist by training and I worked for the Canadian federal Environment department for 30+ yrs.and I don't have to worry about the work/play balance any more.
My current summer race car is a 1970 Volvo P1800 which I built in 1978 and have been pounding it around race tracks in western Canada for every year since. I run the car 4 to 6 times a year in the national GT3 class which is highly competitive with very strong - and much younger - cars, primarily from Japan. We, the car and me, which I refer to the "centenary plus" team - the age of the car plus the age of the driver exceeds 100 - very seldom win any more but sure do have fun. I do, however, run it hard as I remain a racer at heart. The highlight this year was participating in the support race immediately prior to the Indy Car race here in Edmonton on a temporary airport track. Racing in front of 80,000 people is kind of cool - more on that in a later note.
Summer racing up here starts in early June and is finished in early September. Which means that by December the go-fast bug starts to itch and to scratch it I have a 1975 Datsun 280Z which I race on the ice from Jan. to Mar. Fast fun car as it reaches in excess of 100mph on the front straights of the courses the we plow on a lake.
I am a chief driving instructor and I organize and teach at about 10 driving schools a year on a voluntary basis.
Connection to Triumph - when I was in university and single I had a 1961 powder blue TR3A. I had that car for 3 years, which also means 3 winters and up here it isn't the brightest move to have an English side-curtain car as your main means of transportation when its -20C outside. Man I loved that car, however sanity prevailed with marriage and I sold it. Fast forward 40 years to a 1980 Ford motorhome with an enclosed 40 ft. trailer behind humping north along the I-29 from Kansas City MO with a treasure inside. Upon arrival at the US-Canada border, the US customs officer got a chuckle out of what was in the trailer and the description on the transfer of title - "barn car" - a primrose yellow 1959 TR3A. So "Barnie" is home and the adventure begins.
The first piece of advice that I got from Fot was to buy Kas's books which I did - man what a head start that has given me. As I move through Barnie's reincarnation to a fast road car that can hold its own on the track - remember once a racer always a racer - I hope that I will be able to contribute to this group as much as I am getting out of it. 
Thanks. 
Barry.


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sat Oct 10 14:57:19 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:57:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] A few more pictures from CRC added
Message-ID: <23DA9DFE13314AE8A48FB4B05F60C3CD@desktop>

http://uploadingit.com/f/JM5IWVBYMCWY2DYG


From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Oct 10 15:56:40 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:56:40 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A few more pictures from CRC added
In-Reply-To: <23DA9DFE13314AE8A48FB4B05F60C3CD@desktop>
References: <23DA9DFE13314AE8A48FB4B05F60C3CD@desktop>
Message-ID: <4AD10318.80104@bradakis.com>

Gee, thanks.  Yet another batch of great photos to remind me of what
a fantastic event I missed.  I hate you all!  Harummph!

mjb.


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 10 16:20:41 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:20:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A few more pictures from CRC added
In-Reply-To: <4AD10318.80104@bradakis.com>
References: <23DA9DFE13314AE8A48FB4B05F60C3CD@desktop>
	<4AD10318.80104@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <1942705F-BA5A-4E40-98C7-2BD0ADEC8AAE@earthlink.net>

Mark,
I've heard shingles get worse before they get better. That's why I  
haven't sent your FoT -Kastner Cup T-Shirt yet.
What's your mailing address?

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Oct 10, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:

> Gee, thanks.  Yet another batch of great photos to remind me of what
> a fantastic event I missed.  I hate you all!  Harummph!
>
> mjb.
>
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>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Oct 10 16:23:09 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:23:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Canadian Newbie - Introduction
References: <9083184.2303787.1255194982252.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes95>
Message-ID: <59CE48F1638E4390AF348FBF1032EEF3@Bud>

Welcome Barry!
.....There's a very competitive p-1800 racing SCCA out here in S.F. region 
..Bruce Ackerman..i'm not sure if he runs GT3 or EP
Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..sonoma, Ca.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <munsonsb at telus.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>; <mark at bradakis.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Canadian Newbie - Introduction


> Hi All - My Name is Barry Munson and I live in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.
> First I want to thank Joe Alexander for his introduction and my nomination 
> to Fot. As a component of that nomination he asked that I prepare a short 
> personal synopsis and I must admit that I have been enjoying the benefits 
> of being on the Fot list without fulfilling that request. So here 
> goes........
> I am a racer, a builder, a breaker, and a teacher. I am an aquatic 
> toxicologist by training and I worked for the Canadian federal Environment 
> department for 30+ yrs.and I don't have to worry about the work/play 
> balance any more.
> My current summer race car is a 1970 Volvo P1800 which I built in 1978 and 
> have been pounding it around race tracks in western Canada for every year 
> since. I run the car 4 to 6 times a year in the national GT3 class which 
> is highly competitive with very strong - and much younger - cars, 
> primarily from Japan. We, the car and me, which I refer to the "centenary 
> plus" team - the age of the car plus the age of the driver exceeds 100 - 
> very seldom win any more but sure do have fun. I do, however, run it hard 
> as I remain a racer at heart. The highlight this year was participating in 
> the support race immediately prior to the Indy Car race here in Edmonton 
> on a temporary airport track. Racing in front of 80,000 people is kind of 
> cool - more on that in a later note.
> Summer racing up here starts in early June and is finished in early 
> September. Which means that by December the go-fast bug starts to itch and 
> to scratch it I have a 1975 Datsun 280Z which I race on the ice from Jan. 
> to Mar. Fast fun car as it reaches in excess of 100mph on the front 
> straights of the courses the we plow on a lake.
> I am a chief driving instructor and I organize and teach at about 10 
> driving schools a year on a voluntary basis.
> Connection to Triumph - when I was in university and single I had a 1961 
> powder blue TR3A. I had that car for 3 years, which also means 3 winters 
> and up here it isn't the brightest move to have an English side-curtain 
> car as your main means of transportation when its -20C outside. Man I 
> loved that car, however sanity prevailed with marriage and I sold it. Fast 
> forward 40 years to a 1980 Ford motorhome with an enclosed 40 ft. trailer 
> behind humping north along the I-29 from Kansas City MO with a treasure 
> inside. Upon arrival at the US-Canada border, the US customs officer got a 
> chuckle out of what was in the trailer and the description on the transfer 
> of title - "barn car" - a primrose yellow 1959 TR3A. So "Barnie" is home 
> and the adventure begins.
> The first piece of advice that I got from Fot was to buy Kas's books which 
> I did - man what a head start that has given me. As I move through 
> Barnie's reincarnation to a fast road car that can hold its own on the 
> track - remember once a racer always a racer - I hope that I will be able 
> to contribute to this group as much as I am getting out of it.
> Thanks.
> Barry.
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net
>
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From rblake36 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 10 21:13:38 2009
From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:13:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
In-Reply-To: <221B6AD861FD45A8AA09B49BD78220B6@Bud>
Message-ID: <560785.7884.qm@web58503.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Rich,
 
Great pictures and commentary, particularly the comment about Stuckers.  I
remember scrounging parts there on Saturday morning to get my Alpine running
well enough to get me to work the following week.
 
Bob Blake


--- On Thu, 10/8/09, RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:


From: RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Unusual TR-3
To: fot at autox.team.net, rikrock at aol.com
Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 1:17 PM


thanks Rich....wonderful stuff!..and the entry fees were 20 bucks
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- From: <rikrock at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject: [Fot] Unusual TR-3


> Sure to make the purists cringe!
>
>
>
> http://formula-ccm.tripod.com/old-car-pics.html
>
>
>
> Rich Rock
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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You are subscribed as rblake36 at yahoo.com

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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sat Oct 10 21:33:04 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:33:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] A few more pictures from CRC added
References: <23DA9DFE13314AE8A48FB4B05F60C3CD@desktop>
Message-ID: <F3B2C4F4F35740CCB11504AC03C0FF86@desktop>

I just added a few more.  Enjoy.  http://uploadingit.com/f/JM5IWVBYMCWY2DYG

Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charly Mitchel" <charly at mitchelplumbing.com>
To: "Mark York" <m-syork at comcast.net>; "Jeff Quick" <quicktr4 at comcast.net>; 
<jcjcarrera at comcast.net>; "Steve Hare" <haretoday at comcast.net>; "Friends" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 1:57 PM
Subject: [Fot] A few more pictures from CRC added


> http://uploadingit.com/f/JM5IWVBYMCWY2DYG
>
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From rblake36 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 13:05:19 2009
From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:05:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Pictures from TWS Drivers School
Message-ID: <85926.7870.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Listed below are some links to folks who took pictures at TWS during the
SeptemberB  event and have graciously offered to shareB  theB fruits of their
labor.B  I got these links from Don Gwynne, #89 Ford Escort racer, with whom
these gentlemen orginally communicated their willingness to share.
B 
Bob Blake


B 
Message-----
From: Brian A. Hare [mailto:bahare at tamu.edu]
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 2:28 AM
To: dgwynne3 at tx.rr.com
Subject: CVAR @ TWS
B 
B 
Here are some of the pictures I edited down. Feel free to send the link out to
the racers. I have pictures of everyone out there, I believe.
Feel free to give people my e-mail if they want me to see if I have pictures
of them. I didn't post pictures of all the cars.
B 
http://picasaweb.google.com/brian.hare
B 
Thanks,
Brian A. Hare
bahare at tamu.edu
B 
------------------------------------
B 
Alsob&
B 
350 photos posted here:
http://netviper. smugmug.com/
B 
Photographer's name is Jorden Perrett, and like Brian Hare, above, he has
graciously given permission for CVAR racers to download their own photos from
his site.
B 
B 


From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Sun Oct 11 15:46:06 2009
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:46:06 EDT
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
Message-ID: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com>

Donna Mae passed away, age 81.  They had her sitting behind the wheel in 
her Corvette in the funeral home -- rather than in a casket.  We just got back 
from the viewing.  They had an automatic projector running, showing many of 
her racing scenes.</HTML>


From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Oct 11 17:32:49 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:32:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
In-Reply-To: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com>
References: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ADD19003783D4DE7ABBB3EEF66645725@joepentiumnew>

What a way to go out?  The only thing that could possibly be better would be
for her to be sitting behind the wheel of her Pink TR3!

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of WEmery7451 at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 2:46 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing

Donna Mae passed away, age 81.  They had her sitting behind the wheel in 
her Corvette in the funeral home -- rather than in a casket.  We just got
back 
from the viewing.  They had an automatic projector running, showing many of 
her racing scenes.</HTML>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Oct 11 18:06:31 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:06:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
In-Reply-To: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com>
References: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4AD27307.1020600@bradakis.com>

Odd, but appropriate.

mjb.


From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Sun Oct 11 18:23:17 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:23:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
In-Reply-To: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com>
References: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4AD276F5.8090708@141.com>

/BLEyqA: Permission denied


From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Oct 11 18:54:53 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:54:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
References: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com>
  <4AD27307.1020600@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <7B2C86D087BF4437A6082CB0CAC07EFA@Bud>

It must have surprised a few people to say the least!...>>>When I think back 
about all of the cars I've had, and try to decide which one I'd like to sit 
in when I'm dead..None of em' ring quite  the right tone.<<<<..Now as far as 
what car I'd like to be in while alive,.... I wonder if 3 people could fit 
into Danica's Indy Car...Me...Danica...and Sophia Loren..
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing


> Odd, but appropriate.
>
> mjb.
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Oct 11 19:12:14 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:12:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
References: <d55.5c2b854d.3803ac1e@aol.com> <4AD276F5.8090708@141.com>
Message-ID: <346338E953EB4098997A3CF04DFD38FE@Bud>

What's /BLEyqA?
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <WEmery7451 at aol.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing


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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Oct 11 19:47:35 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:47:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
In-Reply-To: <346338E953EB4098997A3CF04DFD38FE@Bud>
Message-ID: <20091012014736032.TCB16243@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com>

> What's /BLEyqA?

The sound the list server makes, when it spits out HTML or RTF posts.

Randall


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Sun Oct 11 21:07:35 2009
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:07:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: Gallery Invite to 'CVAR'
Message-ID: <004301ca4ae9$2607ef10$6401a8c0@blake1>

Don Couch, editor of the award winning HCTC news letter, took a bunch of
pictures out at TWS during the September Driver's school.  He asked me
to send the link out to the FOT.
 
Enjoy, Don takes some excellent pictures.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: don at dcphotos.com [mailto:don at dcphotos.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 8:03 AM
To: Greg & Alison Blake
Subject: Gallery Invite to 'CVAR'
 
 <http://www.dcphotos.com> DON COUCH PHOTOGRAPHY 
  _____  


You have received an invitation from Don Couch to view an image gallery.

Message from Don:
Hey, 
Finally got these uploaded! Enjoy, 
Don 

To view this gallery, please follow this link:
http://pa.photoshelter.com/c/dcphotos/invite/g/U0000ZNe7eMDm6h0/G0000Ojt
MNupiYVQ/


 
 
  _____  

 <http://www.dcphotos.com> http://www.dcphotos.com 


From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Oct 11 20:30:53 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:30:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
References: <20091012014736032.TCB16243@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8CC807D2B30244989A3175296AD5BAF8@Bud>

thanks..I guess I'm too old to understand...If I pull on the handbrake will 
it make it go sideways?
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randall" <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing


>> What's /BLEyqA?
>
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Sun Oct 11 21:00:53 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:00:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Re:  DMM'S Viewing]
Message-ID: <4AD29BE5.3090102@141.com>

Thanks for the info--that's tough to hear, though. I am SO glad I got to 
meet her at VIR in 2004! She was SO full of life and fun. She even wore 
high-heeled pink sneakers to the press conference!

Here's a pic I had posted on theWeb page I put up for the event:
http://www.141.com/vir2004/Donna Mae 1.JPG           

Enjoy!

Susan      :)


WEmery7451 at aol.com wrote:
> Donna Mae passed away, age 81.  They had her sitting behind the wheel in 
> her Corvette in the funeral home -- rather than in a casket.  We just got back 
> from the viewing.  They had an automatic projector running, showing many of 
> her racing scenes.</HTML>
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Sun Oct 11 22:22:36 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:22:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Re:  DMM'S Viewing]
In-Reply-To: <4AD29BE5.3090102@141.com>
References: <4AD29BE5.3090102@141.com>
Message-ID: <57B86CA2-EE0C-435A-B0DF-F4172611EE57@bnj.com>

Looks like something is missing from the URL. I tried adding  
underscores, but it didn't help.
On Oct 11, 2009, at 8:00 PM, Susan Kahler wrote:

> Thanks for the info--that's tough to hear, though. I am SO glad I  
> got to meet her at VIR in 2004! She was SO full of life and fun. She  
> even wore high-heeled pink sneakers to the press conference!
>
> Here's a pic I had posted on theWeb page I put up for the event:
> http://www.141.com/vir2004/Donna Mae 1.JPG
> Enjoy!
>
> Susan      :)
>
>
> WEmery7451 at aol.com wrote:
>> Donna Mae passed away, age 81.  They had her sitting behind the  
>> wheel in her Corvette in the funeral home -- rather than in a  
>> casket.  We just got back from the viewing.  They had an automatic  
>> projector running, showing many of her racing scenes.</HTML>
>>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Oct 11 23:10:54 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:10:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] DMM'S Viewing
In-Reply-To: <57B86CA2-EE0C-435A-B0DF-F4172611EE57@bnj.com>
References: <4AD29BE5.3090102@141.com>
	<57B86CA2-EE0C-435A-B0DF-F4172611EE57@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <4AD2BA5E.3080204@bradakis.com>

> Looks like something is missing from the URL. I tried adding 
> underscores, but it didn't help.


Just go to http://www.141.com/vir2004 and go down the page a bit.


mjb.


From spyderweb at uwalumni.com  Sun Oct 11 23:25:04 2009
From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (Jim Hill)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:25:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Re: DMM'S Viewing]
In-Reply-To: <57B86CA2-EE0C-435A-B0DF-F4172611EE57@bnj.com>
References: <4AD29BE5.3090102@141.com>
	<57B86CA2-EE0C-435A-B0DF-F4172611EE57@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <3afbecf40910112225r31d7d649nd8e4a650806196a4@mail.gmail.com>

Of the Donna Mae Mims photo, Bill Babcock wrote:

> Looks like something is missing from the URL.
> I tried adding underscores, but it didn't help.


Try replacing the blank spaces with   %20
Works for me:

http://www.141.com/vir2004/Donna%20Mae%201.JPG


Jim Hill


From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Oct 11 23:33:09 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:33:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Re:  DMM'S Viewing]
In-Reply-To: <57B86CA2-EE0C-435A-B0DF-F4172611EE57@bnj.com>
References: <4AD29BE5.3090102@141.com>
	<57B86CA2-EE0C-435A-B0DF-F4172611EE57@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <C5BB97E36CE749ED8F3BB4125FB0AD2B@joepentiumnew>

Just clip everything after the vir2004/ and it will come up.
http://www.141.com/vir2004/
Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 9:23 PM
To: Susan Kahler
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] [Fwd: Re: DMM'S Viewing]

Looks like something is missing from the URL. I tried adding  
underscores, but it didn't help.
On Oct 11, 2009, at 8:00 PM, Susan Kahler wrote:

> Thanks for the info--that's tough to hear, though. I am SO glad I  
> got to meet her at VIR in 2004! She was SO full of life and fun. She  
> even wore high-heeled pink sneakers to the press conference!
>
> Here's a pic I had posted on theWeb page I put up for the event:
> http://www.141.com/vir2004/Donna Mae 1.JPG
> Enjoy!
>
> Susan      :)
>
>
> WEmery7451 at aol.com wrote:
>> Donna Mae passed away, age 81.  They had her sitting behind the  
>> wheel in her Corvette in the funeral home -- rather than in a  
>> casket.  We just got back from the viewing.  They had an automatic  
>> projector running, showing many of her racing scenes.</HTML>
>>
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From bentleyblvd at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 12 15:02:42 2009
From: bentleyblvd at yahoo.com (John Hornbostel)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:02:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
Message-ID: <646662.22567.qm@web58204.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Dear Amici,

   With NFI...

   Received below note from a fellow Vitesse owner, offering up for sale a
surplus transmission. He asked if any FOT members might have an interest, to
please contact him via below e-mail address. Believe the item is located in or
near Tulsa, OK.

John


Chad <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>

> I have a surplus Sports 6 / Vitesse transmission I would
> like to sell.  These are special transmissions as they
> have the ratios in them from the factory that make them
> "close ratio".  It is from a 54K original mile car.  I can send pictures
> of the internals to interested parties.
>
> Asking $300.  I can ship cheaply via FedEx ground anywhere
> in the 48 contiguous state via FedEx ground.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chad in Tulsa


From Herald948 at aol.com  Mon Oct 12 16:09:03 2009
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:09:03 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
Message-ID: <bf1.60de2199.380502ff@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/12/2009 5:22:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
bentleyblvd at yahoo.com writes:

Received below note from a  fellow Vitesse owner, offering up for sale a
surplus  transmission.


Chad  <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>

> I have a surplus Sports 6 / Vitesse  transmission I would
> like to sell.  These are special  transmissions as they
> have the ratios in them from the factory that  make them
> "close ratio".  It is from a 54K original mile  car.  I can send pictures
> of the internals to interested  parties.
 
==AM==
 
FYI for anyone who might be interested:
 
"normal" early Spitfire ratios:  1.0 , 1.4 , 2.16 , 3.75 
"normal" early Vitesse/Sports 6 ratios: 1.0 , 1.25 , 1.78 , 2.93  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph 
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 


From billb at bnj.com  Mon Oct 12 17:35:47 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:35:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
In-Reply-To: <646662.22567.qm@web58204.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <646662.22567.qm@web58204.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BEF74E8C-DC39-4C44-B45E-ADC14766111D@bnj.com>

That's a really great deal. If I wasn't in the process of moving stuff  
I'd go for it.
On Oct 12, 2009, at 2:02 PM, John Hornbostel wrote:

> Dear Amici,
>
>   With NFI...
>
>   Received below note from a fellow Vitesse owner, offering up for  
> sale a
> surplus transmission. He asked if any FOT members might have an  
> interest, to
> please contact him via below e-mail address. Believe the item is  
> located in or
> near Tulsa, OK.
>
> John
>
>
> Chad <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>
>
>> I have a surplus Sports 6 / Vitesse transmission I would
>> like to sell.  These are special transmissions as they
>> have the ratios in them from the factory that make them
>> "close ratio".  It is from a 54K original mile car.  I can send  
>> pictures
>> of the internals to interested parties.
>>
>> Asking $300.  I can ship cheaply via FedEx ground anywhere
>> in the 48 contiguous state via FedEx ground.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Chad in Tulsa
>
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Mon Oct 12 18:24:22 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:24:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
In-Reply-To: <bf1.60de2199.380502ff@aol.com>
References: <bf1.60de2199.380502ff@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4030EF8B-8962-4E27-81C9-1D03A645A1E5@comcast.net>

would this work in a GT 6?

On Oct 12, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Herald948 at aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 10/12/2009 5:22:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bentleyblvd at yahoo.com writes:

Received below note from a  fellow Vitesse owner, offering up for sale a
surplus  transmission.


Chad  <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>

> I have a surplus Sports 6 / Vitesse  transmission I would
> like to sell.  These are special  transmissions as they
> have the ratios in them from the factory that  make them
> "close ratio".  It is from a 54K original mile  car.  I can send  
> pictures
> of the internals to interested  parties.

==AM==

FYI for anyone who might be interested:

"normal" early Spitfire ratios:  1.0 , 1.4 , 2.16 , 3.75
"normal" early Vitesse/Sports 6 ratios: 1.0 , 1.25 , 1.78 , 2.93

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er,  
Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/)

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/)
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Oct 12 19:39:14 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:39:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
In-Reply-To: <4030EF8B-8962-4E27-81C9-1D03A645A1E5@comcast.net>
References: <bf1.60de2199.380502ff@aol.com>
	<4030EF8B-8962-4E27-81C9-1D03A645A1E5@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1447C24948A3464CA9CCF0DFF8E41F20@joepentiumnew>

I am pretty sure that if it is from the Vitesse 2 liter, that it is
interchangeable with the GT6 gearbox.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 5:24 PM
To: Herald948 at aol.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission

would this work in a GT 6?

On Oct 12, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Herald948 at aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 10/12/2009 5:22:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bentleyblvd at yahoo.com writes:

Received below note from a  fellow Vitesse owner, offering up for sale a
surplus  transmission.


Chad  <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>

> I have a surplus Sports 6 / Vitesse  transmission I would
> like to sell.  These are special  transmissions as they
> have the ratios in them from the factory that  make them
> "close ratio".  It is from a 54K original mile  car.  I can send  
> pictures
> of the internals to interested  parties.

==AM==

FYI for anyone who might be interested:

"normal" early Spitfire ratios:  1.0 , 1.4 , 2.16 , 3.75
"normal" early Vitesse/Sports 6 ratios: 1.0 , 1.25 , 1.78 , 2.93

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er,  
Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

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Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/)

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From alan at nosbritishparts.com  Mon Oct 12 20:09:49 2009
From: alan at nosbritishparts.com (Alan ...)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:09:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
In-Reply-To: <bf1.60de2199.380502ff@aol.com>
Message-ID: <420790.41274.qm@web1109.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>

I checked my factory parts manuals and the constant pinion shaft and gear
cluster part #'s are the same for the 2 litre Vitesse and early GT6. I think
the 1.6 litre car would be a wider ratio and non-syncro 1st.
 
FWIW,the
GT6/TR7 gearbox is a closer ratio than the Midget 1500 which is closer ratio
than the Spitfire. I think this is correct though I have not built any of
these in about 15 years.

Anyway,it is something to double-check.

Alan T

> I
have a surplus Sports 6 / Vitesse  transmission
> I would
> > like to sell. 
These are special 
> transmissions as they
> > have the ratios in them from
the factory that 
> make them
> > "close ratio".  It is from a 54K original
>
mile  car.  I can send pictures
> > of the internals to interested  parties.
>
> ==AM==
>  
> FYI for anyone who might be interested:
>  
> "normal" early
Spitfire ratios:  1.0 , 1.4 , 2.16 ,
> 3.75 
> "normal" early Vitesse/Sports 6
ratios: 1.0 , 1.25 , 1.78 ,
> 2.93  


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 12 20:26:11 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:26:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
In-Reply-To: <1447C24948A3464CA9CCF0DFF8E41F20@joepentiumnew>
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Sold!
On Oct 12, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Joe Curry wrote:

> I am pretty sure that if it is from the Vitesse 2 liter, that it is
> interchangeable with the GT6 gearbox.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- 
> bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Scott Janzen
> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 5:24 PM
> To: Herald948 at aol.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
>
> would this work in a GT 6?
>
> On Oct 12, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Herald948 at aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/12/2009 5:22:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> bentleyblvd at yahoo.com writes:
>
> Received below note from a  fellow Vitesse owner, offering up for  
> sale a
> surplus  transmission.
>
>
> Chad  <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>
>
>> I have a surplus Sports 6 / Vitesse  transmission I would
>> like to sell.  These are special  transmissions as they
>> have the ratios in them from the factory that  make them
>> "close ratio".  It is from a 54K original mile  car.  I can send
>> pictures
>> of the internals to interested  parties.
>
> ==AM==
>
> FYI for anyone who might be interested:
>
> "normal" early Spitfire ratios:  1.0 , 1.4 , 2.16 , 3.75
> "normal" early Vitesse/Sports 6 ratios: 1.0 , 1.25 , 1.78 , 2.93
>
> --Andy  Mace
>
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er,
> Triumph
> Herald engine with wings.
> --  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)
>
> Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage  
> Triumph
> Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/)
>
> Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph
> Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph- 
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From Herald948 at aol.com  Mon Oct 12 20:42:52 2009
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:42:52 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
Message-ID: <cf6.61f1c4c4.3805432c@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/12/2009 10:10:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
alan at nosbritishparts.com writes:

I checked my factory parts  manuals and the constant pinion shaft and gear 
cluster part #'s are the same  for the 2 litre Vitesse and early GT6. I 
think the 1.6 litre car would be a  wider ratio and non-syncro 1st.
==AM==
Right, Alan! The 2L (all-synchro) Vitesse/GT6 gearbox has a 2.65:1 1st  
gear, compared to 2.93:1 on the older, non-synchro-first Vitesse 1600/Sports 6  
box. Other forward ratios are the same And, of course, boxes can't be  
swapped directly between Spitfire and GT6, since the input shaft is a larger  
diameter on the GT6 (amongst other detail differences).  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph 
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 


From Herald948 at aol.com  Mon Oct 12 20:44:23 2009
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:44:23 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Vitesse Sports 6 transmission
Message-ID: <d50.5a8133de.38054387@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/12/2009 8:24:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
s.janzen at comcast.net writes:

would  this work in a GT 6? 
 
==AM==
Yes, but as mentioned earlier, the Sports 6 gearbox is a non-synchro first, 
 and that first gear is a lower gear than that of the GT6.  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph 
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Oct 13 03:52:18 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:52:18 +0200
Subject: [Fot] A quick lap on the Nurburgring GP track - Qualy Session 2
In-Reply-To: <d50.5a8133de.38054387@aol.com>
References: <d50.5a8133de.38054387@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004901ca4bea$dcdd46c0$9697d440$@com>

Have fun with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udId4mPFj3M

Cheers
Chris


From list at mackenzie.aero  Tue Oct 13 12:44:31 2009
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:44:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] WTB: Spitfire Wheels
Message-ID: <000301ca4c35$3401a0a0$9c04e1e0$@aero>

I am looking to buy two 13X6 Minilite style wheels for my Spitfire.

 

I will buy a set of 4 if you have them, in fact I will look at any 13X6
alloy wheel for the Spitfire.

 

Time to clean out your garage and fill mine up.

 

 

Robert MacKenzie

Austin Texas

 robert at mackenzie.aero


From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Fri Oct 16 18:09:03 2009
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:09:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] nolbc
Message-ID: <8A53A35A304249979B531309A32AD5B8@INSPIRON>

P.L.N. is narrating the documentary "Dale" 8:00 pm est. on Speed Chl.


From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Tue Oct 13 22:18:28 2009
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:18:28 +1100
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAEEsfDCKT8JBvCEM6gpYxDwBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>

Dear List'rs,

 

Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection system,
race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to use?

BOSH? Etc.

 

What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?

 

 

Thanks

 

Kind Regards

Peter Vucinic

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From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Oct 13 22:59:31 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:59:31 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
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Message-ID: <04BD13F5B63D4252911390B0A2D8EE8E@joepentiumnew>

I am running an AutoZone Universal in-Line fuel pump that is set for 50 psi
on both my Spits (one with the Honda Engine and the other with the EFI
1296).

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Peter Vucinic
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:18 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump

Dear List'rs,

 

Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection system,
race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to use?

BOSH? Etc.

 

What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?

 

 

Thanks

 

Kind Regards

Peter Vucinic

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From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Wed Oct 14 01:16:55 2009
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:16:55 +1100
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
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Message-ID: <FFCA84BA74B44DF1AEC1D542F63BC841@GEOFFPC>

Peter
Why change the Lucas unit . The 3 TR6 racing in NSW(Rutledge,Dains, Byrne) 
all use the original unit with no problems . We run Facit push pumps on the 
tank outlets to overcome fuel surge
Geoff
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Vucinic" <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 3:18 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump


> Dear List'rs,
>
>
>
> Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection 
> system,
> race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to 
> use?
>
> BOSH? Etc.
>
>
>
> What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Wed Oct 14 07:44:57 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:44:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
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I don't have fuel injection on a TR6 race car but I do have a TR5 with Lucas
fuel injection.  I recently installed the Bosch pump and filter kit, which I
got from Malcolm Jones at Prestige Injection in the UK, on the car.  I also
modified the fuel tank for outlets on both sides and separate return ports
on the top.  The kit included a new outlet fitting to replace the original
to allow for adequate fuel flow into the pump.  In addition I rewired the
pump adding a fused fuel pump relay and heavier wiring.  The original pump
drew about 5.6 amps and had a voltage drop of 2.8 volts to the pump.  The
new pump draws 9.5 amps with only a 0.75 volt drop at the pump with the
rewiring.  If you need the numbers of the pump and filter I'm sure I have
them somewhere or can get them for you.  The TR6 fuel tank was modified on
the PI cars to overcome some of the problems with the TR5 tank but I don't
know if that tank was used in the carbureted TR6 cars.

I'm currently running 103 PSI at the metering unit but will be increasing
that to about 110 as I am having some intermittent problems and also am not
sure of the accuracy of my fuel pressure gauge.  The 103 could be marginal
and may even be lower if my gauge reads 2% or 3% high, which is typical
standard gauge accuracy.

Tim Murphy

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Peter Vucinic
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:18 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump

Dear List'rs,

 

Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection system,
race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to use?

BOSH? Etc.

 

What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?

 

 

Thanks

 

Kind Regards

Peter Vucinic

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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Oct 14 08:26:13 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:26:13 EDT
Subject: [Fot] KVS-175 VELOCITY STACKS & FINE WIRE MESH FILTERS
Message-ID: <d51.594286bc.38073985@cs.com>

FOT:

Disregard if you do not have these velocity stacks.

I just received a new production run of custom filters for the Kastner 
designed velocity stacks. I have six pair.

I have had inquiries but no product, until yesterday. Bill Hirsch has 
experienced extraordinary success and acceptance with these filters in all 
applications. I feel fortunate that he took on this low volume for the KVS-175.

Additionally, I asked Bill Hirsch to revise the molds for a more secure 
fit.  I am satisfied that he did this after some trial fitting. You may need a 
small amount of 'personal' lubricant to install and this is included.

NOTE: If you had any issues with the first production run filters popping 
off, send back to me and you will receive another pair.  and some personal 
lubricant.

Thanks.........Joe Alexander


From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 08:44:58 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:44:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
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I use a Bosch Fuel Pump  0580254044.  Bought it from:

http://www.allworldautomotive.com/auto_parts_for_sale_bosch_performance_fuel_
pump_ots10832.html

Their price is $200 which no on else touches.  I also put in a Waldron
pressure regulator [expensive and overkill, but this is a race car].
You need a good pressure gauge, preferably liquid filled.  I got the
fittings for the ends of the fuel pump from Mesa Supply.

I posted pictures of my set up at:
http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/NewTR6RaceCarFeb08#

Look for the ones in the third row.

Chuck

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Peter Vucinic <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
wrote:
> Dear List'rs,
>
>
>
> Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection system,
> race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to use?
>
> BOSH? Etc.
>
>
>
> What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Wed Oct 14 09:14:41 2009
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:14:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
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Message-ID: <40CC1973D7054F6198C015D3F1C46C63@Charly>

I'm in agreement with Geoff on the Lucas pump.  I've run it for several 
years and only had on problem with it, about 3 weeks ago.  For some reason 
it was dragging a little and only pumped to about 60psi.  I rapped on it and 
it seemed to get going with no problem after that.
I also use a secondary pump to remove the fuel from the tank, push it 
through a large filter and then to the Lucas pump.  The secondary pump is a 
after market copy of a SU double ender.
I had problems with my injection starving on hard cornering.  I use both the 
outlets on the TR6 fuel tank and had them both piped to the secondary pump,. 
The problem was that if I got down to about 3 gallons of fuel the fuel would 
slosh to one side and leave the other side outlet exposed and the secondary 
pump would then suck air and make the PI falter.  I found that if I carried 
7 or 8 gals fuel it wasn't a problem.  To resolve this issue I installed a 
swirl tank in the trunk that holds about 1 liter, and is mounted below the 
main fuel tank.  I can now run a 15 minute race with about 3 gallons of fuel 
instead of 8 gallons.
I had tried a Bosch 058025044, which seems to be the pump everyone is 
recommending, and I didn't think it performed as well as the Lucas pump.  It 
seemed to move to much fuel and it drew a lot of amperage, almost 10 amps. 
I went back to the Lucas and have been happy.  The Bosch pump is a 
submersible pump and might be able to be adapted to fit inside a fuel tank 
or cell.
When my car has been sitting outside, like at a race track and I start it in 
the morning, it pumps around 118 psi.  I think this pressure is due to the 
coolness of the fuel.  After the car has warmed up and the fuel also from 
tank, it seems to settle down to about 106 psi. This pressure is measured at 
the high pressure hose as it attaches to the prv.  I'm not sure how much 
pressure drop there is to the mu and have never checked it there.  I use a 
plastic tubing for fuel injection that I bought from my local hydraulic hose 
supplier. The only other problem I've experienced has been a stuck and a 
clogged injector and it was easily cleared using some air pressure.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Vucinic" <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:18 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump


> Dear List'rs,
>
>
>
> Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection 
> system,
> race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to 
> use?
>
> BOSH? Etc.
>
>
>
> What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
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From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Oct 14 10:01:56 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:01:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] KVS-175 VELOCITY STACKS & FINE WIRE MESH FILTERS
In-Reply-To: <d51.594286bc.38073985@cs.com>
References: <d51.594286bc.38073985@cs.com>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330910140901n545d2670ye7f6aa52f71aa7c@mail.gmail.com>

On that note, if anyone has a set of stacks that will fit the TR6 SU's let
me know offline.

Thanks to a mouse that packed some bedding into the airbox, I set my air
filter on fire the other day when moving the TR6 out of the garage after a
long rest and have decided it's time for an update.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:26 AM, <N197TR4 at cs.com> wrote:

> FOT:
>
> Disregard if you do not have these velocity stacks.
>
> I just received a new production run of custom filters for the Kastner
> designed velocity stacks. I have six pair.
>
> I have had inquiries but no product, until yesterday. Bill Hirsch has
> experienced extraordinary success and acceptance with these filters in all
> applications. I feel fortunate that he took on this low volume for the
> KVS-175.
>
> Additionally, I asked Bill Hirsch to revise the molds for a more secure
> fit.  I am satisfied that he did this after some trial fitting. You may
> need a
> small amount of 'personal' lubricant to install and this is included.
>
> NOTE: If you had any issues with the first production run filters popping
> off, send back to me and you will receive another pair.  and some personal
> lubricant.
>
> Thanks.........Joe Alexander
>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Oct 14 10:04:46 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:04:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAEEsfDCKT8JBvCEM6gpYxDwBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
	<001701ca4cd4$85365a70$8fa30f50$@com>
Message-ID: <90D8772C994946CFBF45577373846525@Bud>

I'm curious you guys....What kind of horsepower does a racing TR6 put out 
with the fuel injection/versus carbs?
I'll take my answer on the air!
Racer Bud...Spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: "'Peter Vucinic'" <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "'FOT'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump


>I don't have fuel injection on a TR6 race car but I do have a TR5 with 
>Lucas
> fuel injection.  I recently installed the Bosch pump and filter kit, which 
> I
> got from Malcolm Jones at Prestige Injection in the UK, on the car.  I 
> also
> modified the fuel tank for outlets on both sides and separate return ports
> on the top.  The kit included a new outlet fitting to replace the original
> to allow for adequate fuel flow into the pump.  In addition I rewired the
> pump adding a fused fuel pump relay and heavier wiring.  The original pump
> drew about 5.6 amps and had a voltage drop of 2.8 volts to the pump.  The
> new pump draws 9.5 amps with only a 0.75 volt drop at the pump with the
> rewiring.  If you need the numbers of the pump and filter I'm sure I have
> them somewhere or can get them for you.  The TR6 fuel tank was modified on
> the PI cars to overcome some of the problems with the TR5 tank but I don't
> know if that tank was used in the carbureted TR6 cars.
>
> I'm currently running 103 PSI at the metering unit but will be increasing
> that to about 110 as I am having some intermittent problems and also am 
> not
> sure of the accuracy of my fuel pressure gauge.  The 103 could be marginal
> and may even be lower if my gauge reads 2% or 3% high, which is typical
> standard gauge accuracy.
>
> Tim Murphy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Peter Vucinic
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:18 PM
> To: FOT
> Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
>
> Dear List'rs,
>
>
>
> Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection 
> system,
> race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to 
> use?
>
> BOSH? Etc.
>
>
>
> What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
> TR-4
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Wed Oct 14 10:18:21 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:18:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
In-Reply-To: <90D8772C994946CFBF45577373846525@Bud>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAEEsfDCKT8JBvCEM6gpYxDwBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
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	<90D8772C994946CFBF45577373846525@Bud>
Message-ID: <001301ca4ce9$f3453350$d9cf99f0$@com>

The claimed horsepower for the TR5 with fuel injection was 150, whereas the
TR250 2.5 liter 6 cylinder with carbs was 104 or 105, same as the 4
cylinder.

Tim Murphy

-----Original Message-----
From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:05 AM
To: Tim Murphy; 'Peter Vucinic'; 'FOT'
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump

I'm curious you guys....What kind of horsepower does a racing TR6 put out 
with the fuel injection/versus carbs?
I'll take my answer on the air!
Racer Bud...Spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: "'Peter Vucinic'" <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "'FOT'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump


>I don't have fuel injection on a TR6 race car but I do have a TR5 with 
>Lucas
> fuel injection.  I recently installed the Bosch pump and filter kit, which

> I
> got from Malcolm Jones at Prestige Injection in the UK, on the car.  I 
> also
> modified the fuel tank for outlets on both sides and separate return ports
> on the top.  The kit included a new outlet fitting to replace the original
> to allow for adequate fuel flow into the pump.  In addition I rewired the
> pump adding a fused fuel pump relay and heavier wiring.  The original pump
> drew about 5.6 amps and had a voltage drop of 2.8 volts to the pump.  The
> new pump draws 9.5 amps with only a 0.75 volt drop at the pump with the
> rewiring.  If you need the numbers of the pump and filter I'm sure I have
> them somewhere or can get them for you.  The TR6 fuel tank was modified on
> the PI cars to overcome some of the problems with the TR5 tank but I don't
> know if that tank was used in the carbureted TR6 cars.
>
> I'm currently running 103 PSI at the metering unit but will be increasing
> that to about 110 as I am having some intermittent problems and also am 
> not
> sure of the accuracy of my fuel pressure gauge.  The 103 could be marginal
> and may even be lower if my gauge reads 2% or 3% high, which is typical
> standard gauge accuracy.
>
> Tim Murphy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Peter Vucinic
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:18 PM
> To: FOT
> Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
>
> Dear List'rs,
>
>
>
> Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection 
> system,
> race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to 
> use?
>
> BOSH? Etc.
>
>
>
> What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
> TR-4
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From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Oct 14 10:21:05 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:21:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAEEsfDCKT8JBvCEM6gpYxDwBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
	<001701ca4cd4$85365a70$8fa30f50$@com>
	<90D8772C994946CFBF45577373846525@Bud>
	<001301ca4ce9$f3453350$d9cf99f0$@com>
Message-ID: <6E3B2C03BE8E4FB89F612ED6EC3D39F4@Bud>

Thanks tim..I'm curious about the HP on a Race prepared car?
thanks.
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: "'RACER BUD'" <budscars at comcast.net>; "'Peter Vucinic'" 
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:18 AM
Subject: RE: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump


> The claimed horsepower for the TR5 with fuel injection was 150, whereas 
> the
> TR250 2.5 liter 6 cylinder with carbs was 104 or 105, same as the 4
> cylinder.
>
> Tim Murphy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:05 AM
> To: Tim Murphy; 'Peter Vucinic'; 'FOT'
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
>
> I'm curious you guys....What kind of horsepower does a racing TR6 put out
> with the fuel injection/versus carbs?
> I'll take my answer on the air!
> Racer Bud...Spitfire #21
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
> To: "'Peter Vucinic'" <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "'FOT'"
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
>
>
>>I don't have fuel injection on a TR6 race car but I do have a TR5 with
>>Lucas
>> fuel injection.  I recently installed the Bosch pump and filter kit, 
>> which
>
>> I
>> got from Malcolm Jones at Prestige Injection in the UK, on the car.  I
>> also
>> modified the fuel tank for outlets on both sides and separate return 
>> ports
>> on the top.  The kit included a new outlet fitting to replace the 
>> original
>> to allow for adequate fuel flow into the pump.  In addition I rewired the
>> pump adding a fused fuel pump relay and heavier wiring.  The original 
>> pump
>> drew about 5.6 amps and had a voltage drop of 2.8 volts to the pump.  The
>> new pump draws 9.5 amps with only a 0.75 volt drop at the pump with the
>> rewiring.  If you need the numbers of the pump and filter I'm sure I have
>> them somewhere or can get them for you.  The TR6 fuel tank was modified 
>> on
>> the PI cars to overcome some of the problems with the TR5 tank but I 
>> don't
>> know if that tank was used in the carbureted TR6 cars.
>>
>> I'm currently running 103 PSI at the metering unit but will be increasing
>> that to about 110 as I am having some intermittent problems and also am
>> not
>> sure of the accuracy of my fuel pressure gauge.  The 103 could be 
>> marginal
>> and may even be lower if my gauge reads 2% or 3% high, which is typical
>> standard gauge accuracy.
>>
>> Tim Murphy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Peter Vucinic
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:18 PM
>> To: FOT
>> Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
>>
>> Dear List'rs,
>>
>>
>>
>> Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection
>> system,
>> race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to
>> use?
>>
>> BOSH? Etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards
>>
>> Peter Vucinic
>>
>> TR-4
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From oldspeed72 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 14 10:50:23 2009
From: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com (Mark Vanlake)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:50:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems
Message-ID: <542698.84332.qm@web111006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Just wondering what innovative systems the TR6 racers have developed to
introduce cold air to their (Weber setup in my case) carbs. I have been told
by CVAR that I could not use a headlight opening as an intake and it must be
covered. Also, Is there anyone that has found a way to use louvers or a cowl
type system. I use triple Weber's with the velocity stack filters and with the
fenders in place the first carb has about 2 inches of breathing room. Would
love to see any pictures of your setup. Mark


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Oct 14 11:19:23 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:19:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
In-Reply-To: <001301ca4ce9$f3453350$d9cf99f0$@com>
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	<90D8772C994946CFBF45577373846525@Bud>
	<001301ca4ce9$f3453350$d9cf99f0$@com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0910141313520.10496@isis.mit.edu>

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Tim Murphy wrote:

> The claimed horsepower for the TR5 with fuel injection was 150, whereas the
> TR250 2.5 liter 6 cylinder with carbs was 104 or 105, same as the 4
> cylinder.

... except the TR6 is 8.5:1 with a wimpy cam and the TR5 is 9.5:1 with a 
pretty kool (35/65-65/35 timing or 280 degrees of duration vs 256 degrees 
for the fed. spec cam).

Just the PI cam is probably 15 HP, especially when you start moving the 
static compression up above 9:1.

Here's a fun chart:

http://web.archive.org/web/20021204091351/kvaleberg.com/t_tune.html

scroll down to the cam section.

> Tim Murphy

regards,
rml
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From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Oct 14 11:48:07 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:48:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems
References: <542698.84332.qm@web111006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <95D23244BF864F2F81B2A66AE8305D18@Bud>

sneaky stuff but it helped in the old days with TR4s...Try lifting the 
hood(bonnet) up a bit by fiddling with the hinges
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Vanlake" <oldspeed72 at yahoo.com>
To: <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:50 AM
Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems


> Just wondering what innovative systems the TR6 racers have developed to
> introduce cold air to their (Weber setup in my case) carbs. I have been 
> told
> by CVAR that I could not use a headlight opening as an intake and it must 
> be
> covered. Also, Is there anyone that has found a way to use louvers or a 
> cowl
> type system. I use triple Weber's with the velocity stack filters and with 
> the
> fenders in place the first carb has about 2 inches of breathing room. 
> Would
> love to see any pictures of your setup. Mark
>
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Wed Oct 14 11:51:36 2009
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:51:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems
In-Reply-To: <542698.84332.qm@web111006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <542698.84332.qm@web111006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W12BF44801DD7DD76C15E30B2C60@phx.gbl>

Put the headlite cover on a hinge ! closed at tech and slow speed and open
when needed ;)

> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:50:23 -0700
> From: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com
> To: Fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems
>
> Just wondering what innovative systems the TR6 racers have developed to
> introduce cold air to their (Weber setup in my case) carbs. I have been
told
> by CVAR that I could not use a headlight opening as an intake and it must
be
> covered. Also, Is there anyone that has found a way to use louvers or a
cowl
> type system. I use triple Weber's with the velocity stack filters and with
the
> fenders in place the first carb has about 2 inches of breathing room. Would
> love to see any pictures of your setup. Mark
>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Oct 14 13:03:03 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:03:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems
References: <542698.84332.qm@web111006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<BLU136-W12BF44801DD7DD76C15E30B2C60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <B31754618C984E5EA3BDE50E5C904320@Bud>

Tony..that is really cool!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony and Annie Garmey" <horizonracing at msn.com>
To: <oldspeed72 at yahoo.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Air systems


> Put the headlite cover on a hinge ! closed at tech and slow speed and open
> when needed ;)
>
>> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:50:23 -0700
>> From: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com
>> To: Fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems
>>
>> Just wondering what innovative systems the TR6 racers have developed to
>> introduce cold air to their (Weber setup in my case) carbs. I have been
> told
>> by CVAR that I could not use a headlight opening as an intake and it must
> be
>> covered. Also, Is there anyone that has found a way to use louvers or a
> cowl
>> type system. I use triple Weber's with the velocity stack filters and 
>> with
> the
>> fenders in place the first carb has about 2 inches of breathing room. 
>> Would
>> love to see any pictures of your setup. Mark
>>
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>>
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Wed Oct 14 13:37:32 2009
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:37:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] New venue at Watkins Glen
Message-ID: <000301ca4d05$c63f1a80$52bd4f80$@rr.com>

Bobby Rahal has started a new vintage racing sanctioning body. Watkins Glen
in June of 2010. Replaces HSR Historic event. Other events to be announced.
I suspect Mid Ohio will be one of them. More info at below site.

 

 

 

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20091013/LOCAL10/910130337/1001/
BUSINESS/WGI-AND-HISTORIC-MOTORSPORTS-PRODUCTIONS-ANNOUNCE-INAUGURAL-VINTAGE
-RACING


From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 14 14:39:01 2009
From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (CHIP COLLINGWOOD)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:39:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Shipping
Message-ID: <380-220091031420391796@earthlink.net>

Hey anybody on the list have any recommendations for shipping a non-running vehicle from California to the east coast or close to Virginia...thanks guys


Chip Collingwood
69 TR6 Eprod
71 2dr 510 Vintage 


From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Oct 14 15:06:45 2009
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:06:45 EDT
Subject: [Fot] New venue at Watkins Glen
Message-ID: <cf1.60d0d65a.38079765@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/14/2009 3:14:08 PM Central Daylight Time, 
Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com writes:


> <<< Bobby Rahal has started a new vintage racing sanctioning body. 
> Watkins Glen in June of 2010. Replaces HSR Historic event. Other events to be 
> announced.
> I suspect Mid Ohio will be one of them. More info at below site. >>>
> 

Amici...

While the number of road racers in general, and vintage road racers in 
particular continues to dwindle, one has to look with a jaundiced eye at yet 
another sanctioning body throwing their hat into the ring.  Having said that, 
I've always been a big fan of Bobby Rahal, and have raced at the same vintage 
events with him on several occasions.  He's impressed me as a Class Act.  I 
recall him standing in line...just like everybody else at registration, 
driver's meetings, etc.  In the 1980s his dad used to race at VSCDA events, 
especially Grattan.  Interesting if this announcement 'bumps' HSR from having a 
Watkins Glen Event, and I too can't help but wonder if Mid-Ohio will be a 
subsequent announcement, as Bobby Rahal has always been very close to the 
Mid-Ohio connections.      

Bill Dentinger


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Wed Oct 14 15:11:59 2009
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:11:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] New venue at Watkins Glen
In-Reply-To: <000301ca4d05$c63f1a80$52bd4f80$@rr.com>
References: <000301ca4d05$c63f1a80$52bd4f80$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca4d12$f886bbd0$e9943370$@racer@comcast.net>

Rahal was at the Monterey Historics and supposedly held a meeting with track
officials about this series (five races?) which is to be for bigger cars
(TransAm, CanAm, IMSA, etc), for points and a trophies. Trying to bring back
the late 1960's and early 1970's.  Look for Laguna Seca to be on his
schedule.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Spitfire Racing
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:38 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] New venue at Watkins Glen

Bobby Rahal has started a new vintage racing sanctioning body. Watkins Glen
in June of 2010. Replaces HSR Historic event. Other events to be announced.
I suspect Mid Ohio will be one of them. More info at below site.

 

 

 

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20091013/LOCAL10/910130337/1001/
BUSINESS/WGI-AND-HISTORIC-MOTORSPORTS-PRODUCTIONS-ANNOUNCE-INAUGURAL-VINTAGE
-RACING
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Wed Oct 14 15:19:56 2009
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:19:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems
In-Reply-To: <542698.84332.qm@web111006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <60627.35693.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Mark: I was told by CVAR that we could not space the backside of the
hood/bonnet up, nor louver the bonnet without being moved to the sport racer
group. On Randy William's TR3 I louvered the inner fender panels, not for
fresh air but to move the air out and avoid a high pressure under the hood
which could cause overheating. What my son is currently working on for his
triple Weber 240Z is a cold air box. We got a fiberglass one from TWM
Induction, and you must drill it to suit your carb set-up. I'd bet that the
spacing is the same between the Z motor and the TR6. Also check with Richard
Good to see about buying an undrilled aluminum one from his triple Stromberg
set-up and drill to suit. Run the air hose to in front of the radiator and add
the filter of your choice.
-Ed Barnard-

--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Mark Vanlake <oldspeed72 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Mark Vanlake <oldspeed72 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Fot] Cold Air systems
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 11:50 AM


Just wondering what innovative systems the TR6 racers have developed to
introduce cold air to their (Weber setup in my case) carbs. I have been told
by CVAR that I could not use a headlight opening as an intake and it must be
covered. Also, Is there anyone that has found a way to use louvers or a cowl
type system. I use triple Weber's with the velocity stack filters and with
the
fenders in place the first carb has about 2 inches of breathing room. Would
love to see any pictures of your setup. Mark
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From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 14 17:11:19 2009
From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (CHIP COLLINGWOOD)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:11:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Shipping
Message-ID: <380-2200910314231119437@earthlink.net>

Greg,

thanks...the car is located in Redwood City (the bay area) ...sorry should
have put that out there..thanks Chip


> [Original Message]
> From: Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
> To: <tr6racer21 at earthlink.net>
> Date: 10/14/2009 6:23:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Shipping
>
> Hi Chip,
> I could get a car picked up in L.A. this weekend to Albuquerque. Joe  
> Alexander might be able to help from here east.
> Greg Hilyer
> On Oct 14, 2009, at 2:39 PM, CHIP COLLINGWOOD wrote:
>
> > Hey anybody on the list have any recommendations for shipping a non- 
> > running vehicle from California to the east coast or close to  
> > Virginia...thanks guys
> >
> >
> > Chip Collingwood
> > 69 TR6 Eprod
> > 71 2dr 510 Vintage
> >
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Oct 14 18:41:48 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:41:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Thanks, Barry
Message-ID: <4AD66FCC.50000@bradakis.com>

Got a nice little package in today's mail, a silver Hot Wheels
racing TR6.  It was sent to me by Barry Munson, who joined
us this past spring.

Sure, there's a web link at the end of this message that takes
you to a page with some information on making a cash
donation to support this list, as well as the other Team.Net
services.  While money is always nice, trinkets of little or
no value like this 'hood emblem' for the FOT server are
priceless.

Thanks again, Barry!

mjb.


From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Wed Oct 14 22:30:43 2009
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:30:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Early TR2 Rear Tail Lights Wanted
Message-ID: <4AD6A573.1020206@greenheart.com>

Hello all... I'm after yet a pair of the tail lights for my early TR2. 

Here is what they look like:

http://www.vtr.org/TR2/NewPhotos/tt2reflector.jpg

The lens "Lucas 471" and "Made in England" embossed in the glass.   
Notice that is has a rectangular shape.

These were found on the early TR2s through TS1387.   After this, they 
changed to a round type lens.

I really hope I can find an original pair, not reproductions or lens 
missing the "Lucas 471" lettering, etc.

Some may recall, I have an early, unmolested, unrestored TR2.  It's my 
goal to basically keep it as is, but make it safe to drive, halt 
corrosion, and to keep it a good example of an original car, except for 
period accessories.  

Not to complicate matters, but as a comparison, here is the later TR2 
lens assembly (that I do not need...)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1168/532815396_7eca578c32.jpg?v=0

It appears that the lens is a bit more common than the rest of the 
assembly.  While the lens was used on various cars of the period, the 
bezel may have been unique to the TR2.

--Justin Wagner

P.S.   I still have not found an early TR2 jack.

For more info on TR2s... visit Bill Lynn's article on The VTR web site:
http://www.vtr.org/TR2/terrible_2s.shtml


From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Thu Oct 15 02:03:05 2009
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:03:05 +1100
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
In-Reply-To: <90D8772C994946CFBF45577373846525@Bud>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAEEsfDCKT8JBvCEM6gpYxDwBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au><001701ca4cd4$85365a70$8fa30f50$@com>
	<90D8772C994946CFBF45577373846525@Bud>
Message-ID: <30072A16B1AA427FB35D85BD1A2BCB0A@GEOFFPC>

there are TR6 race motors and there ARE TR6 RACE MOTORS
Billet crank
billet rods
Forged pistons
PI mods
High compression 13+
Av gas +
overbored motors
Small dia clutch
trick harmonic balancers
tune exhaust
tune inlet and cold air box
8500 rpm
HP well that between me and my dyno guy!!!!!!!!!
Geoff
TR6 Racer down under
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>; "'Peter Vucinic'" 
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump


> I'm curious you guys....What kind of horsepower does a racing TR6 put out 
> with the fuel injection/versus carbs?
> I'll take my answer on the air!
> Racer Bud...Spitfire #21
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
> To: "'Peter Vucinic'" <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "'FOT'" 
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
>
>
>>I don't have fuel injection on a TR6 race car but I do have a TR5 with 
>>Lucas
>> fuel injection.  I recently installed the Bosch pump and filter kit, 
>> which I
>> got from Malcolm Jones at Prestige Injection in the UK, on the car.  I 
>> also
>> modified the fuel tank for outlets on both sides and separate return 
>> ports
>> on the top.  The kit included a new outlet fitting to replace the 
>> original
>> to allow for adequate fuel flow into the pump.  In addition I rewired the
>> pump adding a fused fuel pump relay and heavier wiring.  The original 
>> pump
>> drew about 5.6 amps and had a voltage drop of 2.8 volts to the pump.  The
>> new pump draws 9.5 amps with only a 0.75 volt drop at the pump with the
>> rewiring.  If you need the numbers of the pump and filter I'm sure I have
>> them somewhere or can get them for you.  The TR6 fuel tank was modified 
>> on
>> the PI cars to overcome some of the problems with the TR5 tank but I 
>> don't
>> know if that tank was used in the carbureted TR6 cars.
>>
>> I'm currently running 103 PSI at the metering unit but will be increasing
>> that to about 110 as I am having some intermittent problems and also am 
>> not
>> sure of the accuracy of my fuel pressure gauge.  The 103 could be 
>> marginal
>> and may even be lower if my gauge reads 2% or 3% high, which is typical
>> standard gauge accuracy.
>>
>> Tim Murphy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Peter Vucinic
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:18 PM
>> To: FOT
>> Subject: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump
>>
>> Dear List'rs,
>>
>>
>>
>> Can those people running after market FUEL PUMPS on their injection 
>> system,
>> race cars, give me some idea of what EXTERNAL pump they are tending to 
>> use?
>>
>> BOSH? Etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> What pressures are the seeing at the Fuel Metering Unit?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards
>>
>> Peter Vucinic
>>
>> TR-4
>> Fot mailing list
>>
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From 58tr3a at videotron.ca  Thu Oct 15 05:25:36 2009
From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:25:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Early TR2 Rear Tail Lights Wanted
References: <4AD6A573.1020206@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <4DC28932E01D4751BF953EAAA5691F89@elliott7455dae>

The red lens for those early TR2s is the same one used on the MG-TD.  Try 
any MG supplier.  Also ask the US TRA.  http://www.triumphregister.com/

When The TR Register had difficulty during the restoration of TS2, the lens 
were available but the problem was that they couldn't find the rectangular 
chromed frame which surrounds the lens.  Ask the TR Register.  They may have 
had some extras made.

http://www.tr-register.co.uk/
-------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Justin Wagner" <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>; "Triumphs" 
<triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:30 AM
Subject: [Fot] Early TR2 Rear Tail Lights Wanted


> Hello all... I'm after yet a pair of the tail lights for my early TR2.
>
> Here is what they look like:
>
> http://www.vtr.org/TR2/NewPhotos/tt2reflector.jpg
>
> The lens "Lucas 471" and "Made in England" embossed in the glass.
> Notice that is has a rectangular shape.
>
> These were found on the early TR2s through TS1387.   After this, they
> changed to a round type lens.
>
> I really hope I can find an original pair, not reproductions or lens
> missing the "Lucas 471" lettering, etc.
>
> Some may recall, I have an early, unmolested, unrestored TR2.  It's my
> goal to basically keep it as is, but make it safe to drive, halt
> corrosion, and to keep it a good example of an original car, except for
> period accessories.
>
> Not to complicate matters, but as a comparison, here is the later TR2
> lens assembly (that I do not need...)
>
> http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1168/532815396_7eca578c32.jpg?v=0
>
> It appears that the lens is a bit more common than the rest of the
> assembly.  While the lens was used on various cars of the period, the
> bezel may have been unique to the TR2.
>
> --Justin Wagner
>
> P.S.   I still have not found an early TR2 jack.
>
> For more info on TR2s... visit Bill Lynn's article on The VTR web site:
> http://www.vtr.org/TR2/terrible_2s.shtml
>
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>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Oct 15 10:37:05 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:37:05 +0200
Subject: [Fot] A quick lap on the Nurburgring GP track - Qualy Session 2
Message-ID: <000001ca4db5$be9f4a10$3bddde30$@com>

A not so quick race.
A boat would have been better:

http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5392848011275006882

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Oktober 2009 11:52
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: A quick lap on the Nurburgring GP track - Qualy Session 2

Have fun with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udId4mPFj3M

Cheers
Chris


From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Oct 15 11:03:15 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:03:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Emailing: 2009_1015AA tr2 light
Message-ID: <7CBD8F85C3A44B2E8EAB3097DDE9B4DA@Bud>

Don...I've got this one..Lucas L484...Hillman..does the # cross-reference?
Racer Bud
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Oct 15 20:10:45 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (rkramer3 at austin.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:10:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR 6 Racers
In-Reply-To: <119266.67299.qm@web83804.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20091016021045.HFYPZ.72018.root@hrndva-web03-z01>

I found 2 green and 2 silver in bum you know what Oklahoma on my way to
Hallett today. I think that the Walmart computers are punching out reorders
for what must be one of the best new HotWheels car. Maybe some Red ones will
come out of this.

---- Mike Schubert <trebucs at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Bob:
> B 
> FYI
> B 
> The Walmart at US79 and Red Bud in Round rock had at least 6 TR6 race cars
left,B mostly green.B  I got a silver one and a green one.
>
> Mike Schubert
> trebucs at sbcglobal.net
> 512-252-3767
> B 
> Ever stop to think. . . . . .andB forget to start again?
> B 


From brad.kahler at 141.com  Fri Oct 16 09:45:48 2009
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:45:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [TR] For Sale: NOS Lucas parts (Mostly TR3)
In-Reply-To: <f99bbf590910151657r342c92e5x7f453b8be5812fcf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AD66E4E.1000701@141.com>
	<62909.85176.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<f99bbf590910151657r342c92e5x7f453b8be5812fcf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99bbf590910160845j3cab1a3bn9fee4fc4da4f98d7@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, all the NOS parts are spoken for.

The parts are going to whoever responded first saying they would take them.


Thanks again,

Brad





On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com> wrote:

> Bill,
>
> The lenses are NOS Lucas in the box and yes they do say Lucas.  $15
> each for the lenses and the one chrome base that I have would be $20
> and it is also NOS in the box.
>
> I would guess shipping to be something like $8 after insurance, etc.
> If you're interested I would prefer Paypal but check would work as
> well.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brad
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:34 PM, William Babbitt <wbabbitt at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> > Brad,
> > How much for the pair of TR3 Lucas tail lights?
> > Do they have "Lucas" imprinted on them?
> > thanks,
> > Bill
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com>
> > To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:35:26 PM
> > Subject: [TR] For Sale: NOS Lucas parts (Mostly TR3)
> >
> > Several people have asked for my list of NOS Lucas parts that I have.
> > Here is a partial listing, I still have one more box to dig through so
> > a few more things yet to come.  Just about all of these parts are
> > still in the original Lucas packaging
> >
> > All parts listed below are NOS unless otherwise noted:
> >
> > 573819    Single center tail light lens (only lens) as used on the TR3.
> >
> > 574635    tail light lens (only lens) as used on TR3A & TR3B.  (I have
> > two of these)
> >
> > L549 (53330) light base assembly for 574635 lens listed above
> >
> > 31126    3 position (side / head switch) (I have one NOS and one good
> used
> > one)
> >
> > 31444F  (same action of switch as above but screw connectors do not
> > hang down they go up beside the body)
> >
> > 31253    momentary push button switch (TR3 starter switch) (I have
> > one NOS and one used)
> >
> > 576109    red beehive lens as used on TR3s and TR4s  (I have two of
> these)
> >
> > 30608    ignition switch body (without the key tumbler) (supposed to
> > be for later TR3s with the spade connectors)
> >
> > 291806  starter gear (supposed to be TR3)
> >
> > 270038  bushing (starter?)
> >
> > 255491  bushing (starter?)
> >
> > 491644  sundries kit (starter?)
> >
> > L494  reversing light
> >
> > L494  reversing light (this one is used and is very lightly pitted
> > but still looks pretty good)
> >
> > 31419A  push pull switch panel light switch (I have two NOS and two used)
> >
> > 78358  heater rheostat switch with knob
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brad
> > _______________________________________________
> >
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Fri Oct 16 11:31:35 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:31:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] How to determine if someone has had a stroke
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A0619575F11@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Sorry to bomb the list with this but I'm at the track with a bunch of old guys
and I feel its appropriate within our crowd. None of us are getting any
younger, this may save a life if you know it.
Bob K

Subject: FW: This is Good Information to Have

B lood  Clots/Stroke - They Now Have a Fourth Indicator,  the Tongue
[cid:image001.jpg at 01CA4CE6.9A5E2290]


I  will continue to forward this every time it  comes around!


STROKE: Remember  the 1st Three Letters.... S. T. R.


STROKE  IDENTIFICATION:


During a BBQ, a woman stumbled and took a little fall - she assured  everyone
that she was fine (they offered to call  paramedics) .she said she had just
tripped over  a brick because of her new shoes.


They  got her cleaned up and got her a new plate of  food. While she appeared
a bit shaken up, Jane went about enjoying herself the rest of the  evening


Jane's husband called later  telling everyone that his wife had been taken to
the hospital -
(at 6:00  pm  Jane passed away.) She had suffered a stroke at the BBQ. Had
they known how to identify the  signs of a stroke, perhaps Jane would be with
us today. Some don't die.. They end up in a  helpless, hopeless condition
instead.


It  only takes a minute to read this...


A  neurologist says that if he can get to a stroke  victim within 3 hours he
can totally reverse the  effects of a stroke...totally. He said  the trick was
getting a stroke recognized,  diagnosed, and then getting the patient
medically cared for within 3 hours, which is  tough.


RECOGNIZING A STROKE


Thank  God for the sense to remember the '3' steps, STR  . Read and Learn!


Sometimes symptoms of a  stroke are difficult to identify. Unfortunately,  the
lack of awareness spells disaster. The  stroke victim may suffer severe brain
damage  when people nearby fail to recognize the  symptoms of a stroke.


Now doctors say a  bystander can recognize a stroke by asking three  simple
questions:


S  *Ask  the individual to SMILE.

T  *Ask  the person to TALK and SPEAK A SIMPLE SENTENCE  (Coherently)

(i.e. It is sunny out  today.)

R  *Ask  him or her to RAISE BOTH  ARMS.


If  he or she has trouble with ANY ONE of these  tasks, call emergency
numberimmediately  and describe the symptoms to the  dispatcher..


New  Sign of a Stroke -------- Stick out Your  Tongue


NOTE:  Another 'sign' of a stroke is this: Ask the  person to 'stick' out his
tongue.. If the tongue  is 'crooked', if it goes to one side or the  other,
that is  also an indication of a  stroke.


A cardiologist says if everyone who gets this e-mail sends it to 10 people;
you can bet that at least one life will be saved.
_______________________________________________
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Journeymen at fumc-rr.org
http://mail.fumc-rr.org/mailman/listinfo/journeymen


From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Oct 16 17:51:35 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:51:35 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Here's to ya, kid!
Message-ID: <4AD90707.5020703@bradakis.com>

I just sold some parts.  Spitfire parts, to be exact, a boot lid and a 
door for
a squaretail.  Some young fellow bought them.  He recently purchased a
non-running $200 Spitfire, and is chomping at the bit to get it going.

It was fun to have him in the garage, he was impressed with a few things,
like the dual DCOE setup for Killer that was over there, the ceramic
coated Stahl header tucked away there and so on.  He even noticed some
of my old SCCA autocross trophies still on the wall, and that great copy
of a Triumph ad that Chris K did about Team Fat sweeping the VTR
autocross some years back.  We talked for a while, I emailed him some
links to Triumph related info.

It would be nice to be so young and energetic, instead of old and decrepit.
But a bit of his enthusiasm did rub off, helped to make the day better than
it had been going.  I hope he sticks with it, keeps the flickering flame
going.

Right now, though, I've got to get started on some chicken and mushrooms
in a lemon sauce to serve over fettucini.  I'm getting hungry, and Karen
will be home soon.  Out to the garage after dinner.

mjb.


From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Oct 16 19:10:03 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:10:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Here's to ya, kid!
References: <4AD90707.5020703@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <BE5D660A9A704D7F84E74349AA43B642@Bud>

Good Job Mark...It's neat  stuff when the young people enjoy learning about 
our old stuff......One of the great things that old cars and old people 
offer to youth, is the opportunity to learn the basics of Independance 
'Working with our hands and minds'...this is the early step of learning how 
to work on the modern stuff.....It is also gives them a big bunch of 
confidence..knowing that they can survive on their own....
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:51 PM
Subject: [Fot] Here's to ya, kid!


>I just sold some parts.  Spitfire parts, to be exact, a boot lid and a door 
>for
> a squaretail.  Some young fellow bought them.  He recently purchased a
> non-running $200 Spitfire, and is chomping at the bit to get it going.
>
> It was fun to have him in the garage, he was impressed with a few things,
> like the dual DCOE setup for Killer that was over there, the ceramic
> coated Stahl header tucked away there and so on.  He even noticed some
> of my old SCCA autocross trophies still on the wall, and that great copy
> of a Triumph ad that Chris K did about Team Fat sweeping the VTR
> autocross some years back.  We talked for a while, I emailed him some
> links to Triumph related info.
>
> It would be nice to be so young and energetic, instead of old and 
> decrepit.
> But a bit of his enthusiasm did rub off, helped to make the day better 
> than
> it had been going.  I hope he sticks with it, keeps the flickering flame
> going.
>
> Right now, though, I've got to get started on some chicken and mushrooms
> in a lemon sauce to serve over fettucini.  I'm getting hungry, and Karen
> will be home soon.  Out to the garage after dinner.
>
> mjb.
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Oct 16 19:58:17 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:58:17 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Here's to ya, kid!
In-Reply-To: <BE5D660A9A704D7F84E74349AA43B642@Bud>
References: <4AD90707.5020703@bradakis.com>
	<BE5D660A9A704D7F84E74349AA43B642@Bud>
Message-ID: <4AD924B9.2040305@bradakis.com>

RACER BUD wrote:
> Good Job Mark...It's neat  stuff when the young people enjoy learning 
> about our old stuff......One of the great things that old cars and old 
> people offer to youth, is the opportunity to learn the basics of 
> Independance 
First off, thanks for your contribution the other day, I appreciate it.

I expect this fellow may be showing up on the Team.Net Triumph and 
Spitfire lists soon,
asking about how to get door handles and latches removed and replaced, 
possibly cursing
my name in the process.

He didn't need a door, he just needed some of the  handle and latch 
bits.  He'll get a
chance to learn some basics swapping in the good parts for his bad 
ones.  Maybe I
should have thrown a box of band-aids into the deal!

mjb.


From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 17 09:13:02 2009
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:13:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 coolant plumbing help and ideas needed
Message-ID: <492152.60885.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I got my engine back yesterday.  While at the ABFM in Portland over Labor day
I took a bunch of photo's and had conversations with a few of you regarding
additional plumbing to get the back of the engine cooler.  It is pretty clear
that a line needs to come out where the heater port is and run back to the
thermostat housing.  I have photos showing a line coming from the drain port
but I am not sure where to return that too.  Also should I run a thermostat. 
I would really appriciate some ideas or even photos.  

On some other notes. 
The fuel cell is mounted up and the doorbars and dash bar are just about
done. 

Thanks for the help.

Mike Mehl
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Sat Oct 17 09:42:15 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:42:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
Message-ID: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>

My GT 6, with a welded diff, has the halfshaft u-joints bolted to it  
with AN6 hardware.  I was checking out various things under the car  
two events ago and noticed that all of the bolts/nyloc nuts were about  
1/8-1/4 turn loose.  I tightened them up, but after the next event  
they were about one flat loose again.  There's no way to get a torque  
wrench at these, given the proximity to the diff and the u joint on  
the other end of the bolts, so I just give them a good yank with hand  
wrenches.

Question - are these stretching, working loose (with nyloc), or are  
the AN washers, which I find to be fairly soft, compressing?  I really  
lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts are loosening.  I know  
the welded diff puts a lot of stress on the system, but none of the  
hardware on the outer u joints or the drive shaft, all of which have  
smaller hardware, is loosening, and the events I'm talking about are  
only hillclimbs - not a lot of driving time at all.


From billb at bnj.com  Sat Oct 17 09:50:37 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:50:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
In-Reply-To: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
References: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <886614C7-187D-445F-B527-297997A2B50D@bnj.com>

Probably the Nylocks. They don't lock well against impact. I'd try  
self locking AN with a hard washer, or perhaps red locktite.  No idea  
why the rest of the stuff is working and these aren't.
On Oct 17, 2009, at 8:42 AM, Scott Janzen wrote:

> My GT 6, with a welded diff, has the halfshaft u-joints bolted to it
> with AN6 hardware.  I was checking out various things under the car
> two events ago and noticed that all of the bolts/nyloc nuts were about
> 1/8-1/4 turn loose.  I tightened them up, but after the next event
> they were about one flat loose again.  There's no way to get a torque
> wrench at these, given the proximity to the diff and the u joint on
> the other end of the bolts, so I just give them a good yank with hand
> wrenches.
>
> Question - are these stretching, working loose (with nyloc), or are
> the AN washers, which I find to be fairly soft, compressing?  I really
> lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts are loosening.  I know
> the welded diff puts a lot of stress on the system, but none of the
> hardware on the outer u joints or the drive shaft, all of which have
> smaller hardware, is loosening, and the events I'm talking about are
> only hillclimbs - not a lot of driving time at all.
>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Oct 17 09:56:36 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:56:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
In-Reply-To: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
References: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <AED9277EEADA4A3D9A34F168D13F2E75@joepentiumnew>

Most likely, it is the Nyloc nuts.  I would say use a bit of Loc-Tite on the
threads and see if they still work loose.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:42 AM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts

My GT 6, with a welded diff, has the halfshaft u-joints bolted to it  
with AN6 hardware.  I was checking out various things under the car  
two events ago and noticed that all of the bolts/nyloc nuts were about  
1/8-1/4 turn loose.  I tightened them up, but after the next event  
they were about one flat loose again.  There's no way to get a torque  
wrench at these, given the proximity to the diff and the u joint on  
the other end of the bolts, so I just give them a good yank with hand  
wrenches.

Question - are these stretching, working loose (with nyloc), or are  
the AN washers, which I find to be fairly soft, compressing?  I really  
lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts are loosening.  I know  
the welded diff puts a lot of stress on the system, but none of the  
hardware on the outer u joints or the drive shaft, all of which have  
smaller hardware, is loosening, and the events I'm talking about are  
only hillclimbs - not a lot of driving time at all.
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From quicktr4 at comcast.net  Sat Oct 17 10:12:19 2009
From: quicktr4 at comcast.net (quicktr4)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:12:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 coolant plumbing help and ideas needed
References: <492152.60885.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <217966C92C284A4D97A285E8424AF6B9@quickfure2vk6w>

 sounds like your getting close to having a race car .the line at the block 
at #4 goes to the wtr pump housing discharge it will need to be drilled and 
a fitting installed. this pumps cooler water into the back of the block.you 
may need more radiator than stock. Jeff
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Mehl" <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
To: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR4 coolant plumbing help and ideas needed


>I got my engine back yesterday.  While at the ABFM in Portland over Labor 
>day
> I took a bunch of photo's and had conversations with a few of you 
> regarding
> additional plumbing to get the back of the engine cooler.  It is pretty 
> clear
> that a line needs to come out where the heater port is and run back to the
> thermostat housing.  I have photos showing a line coming from the drain 
> port
> but I am not sure where to return that too.  Also should I run a 
> thermostat.
> I would really appriciate some ideas or even photos.
>
> On some other notes.
> The fuel cell is mounted up and the doorbars and dash bar are just about
> done.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Mike Mehl
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Sat Oct 17 11:39:32 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:39:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
In-Reply-To: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <727584AE5E8846EAAEB4DB7BA38B3DB7@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Scott

I noticed exactly the same thing with my Spit with a welded diff.  I ended
up switching out the nylocks for K-nuts.  They are easier to get a wrench on
and seem to hold tight longer.  About every other weekend, I have to take up
a couple of them but far less than I ever did with the nylocks.  The
driveline bolts don't seem to have near the same problem.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:42 AM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts


My GT 6, with a welded diff, has the halfshaft u-joints bolted to it
with AN6 hardware.  I was checking out various things under the car
two events ago and noticed that all of the bolts/nyloc nuts were about
1/8-1/4 turn loose.  I tightened them up, but after the next event
they were about one flat loose again.  There's no way to get a torque
wrench at these, given the proximity to the diff and the u joint on
the other end of the bolts, so I just give them a good yank with hand
wrenches.

Question - are these stretching, working loose (with nyloc), or are
the AN washers, which I find to be fairly soft, compressing?  I really
lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts are loosening.  I know
the welded diff puts a lot of stress on the system, but none of the
hardware on the outer u joints or the drive shaft, all of which have
smaller hardware, is loosening, and the events I'm talking about are
only hillclimbs - not a lot of driving time at all.
Fot at autox.team.net
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Oct 17 11:44:24 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:44:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
In-Reply-To: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20091017174424180.RUWC3542@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com>

> Question - are these stretching, working loose (with nyloc), or are  
> the AN washers, which I find to be fairly soft, compressing?  
> I really  
> lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts are loosening.  

Scott, I had exactly the same problem with the driveshaft flanges on my
street TR3A.  Switching to a "distorted thread" all-metal type locknut
solved the problem for me.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#92501a430/=43nsuh

Randall


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sat Oct 17 12:10:58 2009
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:10:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
In-Reply-To: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
References: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4ADA08B2.20609@blacksburg.net>

On 10/17/2009 11:42 AM, Scott Janzen wrote:
> My GT 6, with a welded diff, has the halfshaft u-joints bolted to it
> with AN6 hardware.  I was checking out various things under the car
> two events ago and noticed that all of the bolts/nyloc nuts were about
> 1/8-1/4 turn loose.  I tightened them up, but after the next event
> they were about one flat loose again.  There's no way to get a torque
> wrench at these, given the proximity to the diff and the u joint on
> the other end of the bolts, so I just give them a good yank with hand
> wrenches.
>
>    
Scott, I used AN363 stop nuts and AN960 flat washers.  I don't know the 
washer hardness but they've held up nicely.  The stop nuts likewise have 
never given me any problems.  Check www.aircraftspruce.com.

hth

jim
> Question - are these stretching, working loose (with nyloc), or are
> the AN washers, which I find to be fairly soft, compressing?  I really
> lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts are loosening.  I know
> the welded diff puts a lot of stress on the system, but none of the
> hardware on the outer u joints or the drive shaft, all of which have
> smaller hardware, is loosening, and the events I'm talking about are
> only hillclimbs - not a lot of driving time at all.


From cak at dimebank.com  Sat Oct 17 12:17:55 2009
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:17:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
Message-ID: <200910171817.n9HIHtop024055@moose.dimebank.com>

There are various grades of "nyloc". I had similar problems on both
my 4A and GT6+ when using hardware store nylocs. I switched to the
"high temp" AN spec and the problem has gone away. AN365-624A is hte
part number.


From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat Oct 17 12:24:22 2009
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:24:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
In-Reply-To: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
References: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS55B47728FFEBF556FF4CEC3C30@phx.gbl>

It's probably the AN washers.  They are soft because of their intended use on
airframes.  Try Grade 8 washers.

You might also try using the so called "jet nut" type all metal locknut,
though on our Lotus Eleven Le Mans they still manage to work slightly loose
after a couple of sessions.  Though I suspect the inboard disk brakes are a
contributing factor there.

Terry Stetler


From gasket.works at gte.net  Sat Oct 17 13:25:24 2009
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:25:24 +0000
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
Message-ID: <691311772-1255807490-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2422494-@bda697.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I had this issue in the past. I fixed this using using the appropriatly shouldered and sized an6 drilled bolt for saftey wire.  I use a jet nut with (7/16) reduced hex head.  I found that a mac tools closed end /six point wrench works best to hold the jet nut while tightening.  I also use blue loctite.  When completed I use either a cotter pin or safty wire.  In terms of the washer there are two AN type washers.  - I use the thinner.  (Saves weight...)

M
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 17 13:58:16 2009
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:58:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts - Loctite comment
In-Reply-To: <886614C7-187D-445F-B527-297997A2B50D@bnj.com>
References: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
	<886614C7-187D-445F-B527-297997A2B50D@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <529434.50240.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

For what ever it is worth don't use the red loctite unless you want to use a
torch to take the stuff apart.  The Blue works great.  To have the best result
use a primer (loctite makes it).  Also use Loctite brand.  There really is a
difference.   You can get the blue in a stick (like chapstick), gel and
liquid.  We sell the stuff at our company.  I have been through a bunch of
their training.  

Mike




________________________________
From: Bill
Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
To: Scott Janzen <s.janzen at comcast.net>
Cc: 'Friends
of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, October 17, 2009 8:50:37
AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts

Probably the Nylocks. They
don't lock well against impact. I'd try  
self locking AN with a hard washer,
or perhaps red locktite.  No idea  
why the rest of the stuff is working and
these aren't.
On Oct 17, 2009, at 8:42 AM, Scott Janzen wrote:

> My GT 6,
with a welded diff, has the halfshaft u-joints bolted to it
> with AN6
hardware.  I was checking out various things under the car
> two events ago
and noticed that all of the bolts/nyloc nuts were about
> 1/8-1/4 turn loose. 
I tightened them up, but after the next event
> they were about one flat loose
again.  There's no way to get a torque
> wrench at these, given the proximity
to the diff and the u joint on
> the other end of the bolts, so I just give
them a good yank with hand
> wrenches.
>
> Question - are these stretching,
working loose (with nyloc), or are
> the AN washers, which I find to be fairly
soft, compressing?  I really
> lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts
are loosening.  I know
> the welded diff puts a lot of stress on the system,
but none of the
> hardware on the outer u joints or the drive shaft, all of
which have
> smaller hardware, is loosening, and the events I'm talking about
are
> only hillclimbs - not a lot of driving time at all.
>
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Sat Oct 17 15:13:33 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:13:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts - Loctite comment
In-Reply-To: <529434.50240.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <4CA10573-B5B4-490C-93AF-55DA922A910E@comcast.net>
	<886614C7-187D-445F-B527-297997A2B50D@bnj.com>
	<529434.50240.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9A2A491E-12CC-46F3-B4C9-86C2E7B0B444@bnj.com>

I've never had a problem with Red Locktite as long as you torque it  
forward before you try to remove the part. You need to crack the stuff  
lose and open up the thread gap.
On Oct 17, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Mike Mehl wrote:

> For what ever it is worth don't use the red loctite unless you want  
> to use a torch to take the stuff apart.  The Blue works great.  To  
> have the best result use a primer (loctite makes it).  Also use  
> Loctite brand.  There really is a difference.   You can get the blue  
> in a stick (like chapstick), gel and liquid.  We sell the stuff at  
> our company.  I have been through a bunch of their training.
>
> Mike
>
> From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
> To: Scott Janzen <s.janzen at comcast.net>
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, October 17, 2009 8:50:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts
>
> Probably the Nylocks. They don't lock well against impact. I'd try
> self locking AN with a hard washer, or perhaps red locktite.  No idea
> why the rest of the stuff is working and these aren't.
> On Oct 17, 2009, at 8:42 AM, Scott Janzen wrote:
>
> > My GT 6, with a welded diff, has the halfshaft u-joints bolted to it
> > with AN6 hardware.  I was checking out various things under the car
> > two events ago and noticed that all of the bolts/nyloc nuts were  
> about
> > 1/8-1/4 turn loose.  I tightened them up, but after the next event
> > they were about one flat loose again.  There's no way to get a  
> torque
> > wrench at these, given the proximity to the diff and the u joint on
> > the other end of the bolts, so I just give them a good yank with  
> hand
> > wrenches.
> >
> > Question - are these stretching, working loose (with nyloc), or are
> > the AN washers, which I find to be fairly soft, compressing?  I  
> really
> > lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts are loosening.  I know
> > the welded diff puts a lot of stress on the system, but none of the
> > hardware on the outer u joints or the drive shaft, all of which have
> > smaller hardware, is loosening, and the events I'm talking about are
> > only hillclimbs - not a lot of driving time at all.
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From bownes at seiri.com  Sat Oct 17 15:37:08 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:37:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Here's to ya, kid!
In-Reply-To: <4AD924B9.2040305@bradakis.com>
References: <4AD90707.5020703@bradakis.com>
	<BE5D660A9A704D7F84E74349AA43B642@Bud> <4AD924B9.2040305@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330910171437t40dd5a9cy8a4bb43adbf184c5@mail.gmail.com>

Amazing how it all works. I spent the morning getting my tr6 fired up
so I could put the Mini on the lift to get her snow tires on and in
doing so, have pretty much convinced my lunatic fringe 24 hours od
lemons team mates to give this years car to our spouses/gf for their
racing pleasure while we field a gt6 with some kind of perverse engine
swap (since the gt we have is sans engine). And yes Mark, this is one
of the GTs that came from Utah.

So another weekend of wrenching begins.



On 10/16/09, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> RACER BUD wrote:
>> Good Job Mark...It's neat  stuff when the young people enjoy learning
>> about our old stuff......One of the great things that old cars and old
>> people offer to youth, is the opportunity to learn the basics of
>> Independance
> First off, thanks for your contribution the other day, I appreciate it.
>
> I expect this fellow may be showing up on the Team.Net Triumph and
> Spitfire lists soon,
> asking about how to get door handles and latches removed and replaced,
> possibly cursing
> my name in the process.
>
> He didn't need a door, he just needed some of the  handle and latch
> bits.  He'll get a
> chance to learn some basics swapping in the good parts for his bad
> ones.  Maybe I
> should have thrown a box of band-aids into the deal!
>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Oct 17 21:14:06 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:14:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Hot wheels
Message-ID: <4D13E8A84063442982A2D648B91D389C@joepentiumnew>

I saw several messages earlier but paid little attention.  Today I was in
Wal*Mart and bought the 3 that they had on the shelves but they are all in
Green with white graphics.

I do recall that there were other colors mentioned.  Can someone tell me
what other colors there are?

Thanks,
Joe C


From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Sun Oct 18 06:37:58 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:37:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Hot wheels
In-Reply-To: <4D13E8A84063442982A2D648B91D389C@joepentiumnew>
References: <4D13E8A84063442982A2D648B91D389C@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <4ADB0C26.1020406@141.com>

We have only silver with blue graphics and wheels at our Walmart. There 
is some guy on eBay customizing them with product graphics (Heineken 
Beer, etc.) and resealing them in the original package, but they don't 
come from Hot Wheels that way.

On the main page of the Hot Wheels site, they show an animated flock of 
blue ones with red graphics with bat wings flying toward the viewer 
(Halloween customs, I guess!).  ;)

Susan      :)


Joe Curry wrote:
> I saw several messages earlier but paid little attention.  Today I was in
> Wal*Mart and bought the 3 that they had on the shelves but they are all in
> Green with white graphics.
>
> I do recall that there were other colors mentioned.  Can someone tell me
> what other colors there are?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe C
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sun Oct 18 08:46:53 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:46:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 coolant plumbing help and ideas needed
References: <492152.60885.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<217966C92C284A4D97A285E8424AF6B9@quickfure2vk6w>
Message-ID: <EF0DE796AF844276B41D21AE43A5088A@latitudefb1e41>

Mike,
Some off us put a pressurized fill tank at the back of the block in the line 
Jeff mentioned. We use a variety of radiators and some are mounted with the 
fill cap lower than the head. The fill tank allows for eliminating air in 
the system. In my case, with my eBay purchased Wizard aluminum radiator, 
running over 6 grand resulted in pumping water past the 13lb cap on the 
radiator. I use an 18 lb cap on the fill tank still have the 13 on the 
radiator and I just pump a little out of the 18 lb cap every 20 minutes (in 
Texas).
Bpb K
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "quicktr4" <quicktr4 at comcast.net>
To: "Mike Mehl" <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; "Triumph Friends of" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 coolant plumbing help and ideas needed


> sounds like your getting close to having a race car .the line at the block 
> at #4 goes to the wtr pump housing discharge it will need to be drilled 
> and a fitting installed. this pumps cooler water into the back of the 
> block.you may need more radiator than stock. Jeff
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Mehl" <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
> To: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:13 AM
> Subject: [Fot] TR4 coolant plumbing help and ideas needed
>
>
>>I got my engine back yesterday.  While at the ABFM in Portland over Labor 
>>day
>> I took a bunch of photo's and had conversations with a few of you 
>> regarding
>> additional plumbing to get the back of the engine cooler.  It is pretty 
>> clear
>> that a line needs to come out where the heater port is and run back to 
>> the
>> thermostat housing.  I have photos showing a line coming from the drain 
>> port
>> but I am not sure where to return that too.  Also should I run a 
>> thermostat.
>> I would really appriciate some ideas or even photos.
>>
>> On some other notes.
>> The fuel cell is mounted up and the doorbars and dash bar are just about
>> done.
>>
>> Thanks for the help.
>>
>> Mike Mehl
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From klynch_6 at msn.com  Sun Oct 18 09:42:14 2009
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:42:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT/TR6 motors for sale
Message-ID: <SNT123-DS12E4ADDBD03E254B5CB983B7C20@phx.gbl>

Have found myself with more inventory than I really need. So a couple of these
long blocks need a new home. (no carbs)
Am in Colo. as point of reference, thanks for the glance.
Kevin
303 237-4248
klynch_6 at msn.com<mailto:klynch_6 at msn.com>


From cak at dimebank.com  Sun Oct 18 09:56:45 2009
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:56:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] hardware and halfshafts
Message-ID: <200910181556.n9IFujGd026190@moose.dimebank.com>

"jet nuts" - you want AN363 or MS21042, depending on whether or not
you have access issues. 

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/an363.php

Please do not be tempted to use AN363 to "save weight". They
are rated for shear only.


From cak at dimebank.com  Sun Oct 18 09:57:52 2009
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:57:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] hardware and halfshafts
Message-ID: <200910181557.n9IFvqCE013203@moose.dimebank.com>

Sorry, that should be

Please do not be tempted to use *AN364* to "save weight". They
are rated for shear only.


From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Oct 18 13:07:22 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:07:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Hot Wheels
Message-ID: <6998CA69EDA540A0859511F8ECF620E6@joepentiumnew>

I went to another Wal*Mart and a Target store today and was successful in
finding ample quantities of the Silver model.  I bought all they had in both
stores and ended up with 11 silver and 6 Green ones.

I will be keeping one of each for myself and giving the others away as
gifts. But if anyone needs one to complete their collection, let me know.

Joe


From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Oct 18 13:33:00 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:33:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Hot Wheels
References: <6998CA69EDA540A0859511F8ECF620E6@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <D399116FD1924609B51990738DEF9887@Bud>

Good Job Joe...are you sure you didn't get followed home?(:>)
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 12:07 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Hot Wheels


>I went to another Wal*Mart and a Target store today and was successful in
> finding ample quantities of the Silver model.  I bought all they had in 
> both
> stores and ended up with 11 silver and 6 Green ones.
>
> I will be keeping one of each for myself and giving the others away as
> gifts. But if anyone needs one to complete their collection, let me know.
>
> Joe
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Oct 18 16:00:37 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:00:37 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts - Loctite comment
Message-ID: <bc1.5c42e493.380cea05@aol.com>

Mike,
 
Has the subject of torquing come up in the Loctite training, as in, How do  
you adjust the torque spec fpr Loctite?  Treat is a dry joint, a oiled  
joint?  A molyed joint?  I asked my Loctite rep and just got a blank  
look...Steve
 
 
In a message dated 10/17/2009 12:58:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
mike.mehl at yahoo.com writes:

For what  ever it is worth don't use the red loctite unless you want to use 
a
torch  to take the stuff apart.  The Blue works great.  To have the best  
result
use a primer (loctite makes it).  Also use Loctite brand.   There really is 
a
difference.   You can get the blue in a stick  (like chapstick), gel and
liquid.  We sell the stuff at our  company.  I have been through a bunch of
their training.   

Mike


From andre at gt6.ca  Mon Oct 19 10:02:35 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:02:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels
Message-ID: <4362ae390910190902x39b1ea43qd0cfcce324d638c5@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2009/10/19/consumer-girls-boys-toys.html

Hot Wheels saw a boost ;)

A.

-- 
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
'77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/
Ottawa, ON, Canada


From rodkent at cox.net  Mon Oct 19 10:54:45 2009
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:54:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts - Loctite comment
In-Reply-To: <529434.50240.qm@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20091019125445.HZL5S.687779.imail@fed1rmwml28>

It's worth using the red for the additional grip, no problem taking apart if you hit it with a little heat first. 
---- Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com> wrote: 
For what ever it is worth don't use the red loctite unless you want to use a
torch to take the stuff apart.  The Blue works great.  To have the best result
use a primer (loctite makes it).  Also use Loctite brand.  There really is a
difference.   You can get the blue in a stick (like chapstick), gel and
liquid.  We sell the stuff at our company.  I have been through a bunch of
their training.  

Mike




________________________________
From: Bill
Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
To: Scott Janzen <s.janzen at comcast.net>
Cc: 'Friends
of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, October 17, 2009 8:50:37
AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] AN hardware and halfshafts

Probably the Nylocks. They
don't lock well against impact. I'd try  
self locking AN with a hard washer,
or perhaps red locktite.  No idea  
why the rest of the stuff is working and
these aren't.
On Oct 17, 2009, at 8:42 AM, Scott Janzen wrote:

> My GT 6,
with a welded diff, has the halfshaft u-joints bolted to it
> with AN6
hardware.  I was checking out various things under the car
> two events ago
and noticed that all of the bolts/nyloc nuts were about
> 1/8-1/4 turn loose. 
I tightened them up, but after the next event
> they were about one flat loose
again.  There's no way to get a torque
> wrench at these, given the proximity
to the diff and the u joint on
> the other end of the bolts, so I just give
them a good yank with hand
> wrenches.
>
> Question - are these stretching,
working loose (with nyloc), or are
> the AN washers, which I find to be fairly
soft, compressing?  I really
> lean on the wrenches, so I am amazed the nuts
are loosening.  I know
> the welded diff puts a lot of stress on the system,
but none of the
> hardware on the outer u joints or the drive shaft, all of
which have
> smaller hardware, is loosening, and the events I'm talking about
are
> only hillclimbs - not a lot of driving time at all.
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Oct 19 16:23:03 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:23:03 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Technology
Message-ID: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>

If memory servers me right, I recall Kas was working on
a prototype of this system when he was with Nissan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4



mjb.


From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Mon Oct 19 16:36:46 2009
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:36:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs
Message-ID: <4ADCE9FE.8090505@cfl.rr.com>

All,

Looking for opinions on Dellorto 40 carbs. Properly set up are they big 
enough for a mild race motor? Any parts sources here in the states? I 
know of a set with manifold for sale.

Bob
57 TR3 in process


From brad.kahler at 141.com  Mon Oct 19 16:47:30 2009
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:47:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Technology
In-Reply-To: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
References: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <f99bbf590910191547t5893840aga46bf8b7bb6382cb@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting, after seeing this video it makes me wonder if Kas was
secretly involved in this system as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuhYd9L_d7w

Brad



On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> If memory servers me right, I recall Kas was working on
> a prototype of this system when he was with Nissan:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4
>
>
>
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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Mon Oct 19 16:48:42 2009
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:48:42 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Technology
Message-ID: <4ADCECCA.9060607@141.com>

Interesting, after seeing this video it makes me wonder if Kas was
secretly involved in this system as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuhYd9L_d7w 
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuhYd9L_d7w>

Brad


From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Oct 19 17:18:06 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:18:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Technology
In-Reply-To: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
References: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <B8CF2A0C32734BE39BBACC9832991A3D@joepentiumnew>

And people wonder why Chrysler is in financial difficulty!

Joe C.

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Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 3:23 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] Technology

If memory servers me right, I recall Kas was working on
a prototype of this system when he was with Nissan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4



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From kaskas at cox.net  Mon Oct 19 17:51:35 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:51:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Technology
In-Reply-To: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
References: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <B2744B55912C4AC8B100591537D5673F@KasPC>

I never thought this would get out to the public. So much for secrets.!!



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To: "'Friends of Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 3:23 PM
Subject: [Fot] Technology


> If memory servers me right, I recall Kas was working on
> a prototype of this system when he was with Nissan:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4
> 
> 
> 
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From kaskas at cox.net  Mon Oct 19 17:57:03 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:57:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Technology
In-Reply-To: <B8CF2A0C32734BE39BBACC9832991A3D@joepentiumnew>
References: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
	<B8CF2A0C32734BE39BBACC9832991A3D@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <984C4EC562E64DB3A698E212189AF488@KasPC>

They are a really slow pay on the secret stuff that  cannot be put into a 
printed sheet for the public.  That was a teaching video.  Have they 
learned? Well?

The 2010  Kastner Cup was to be in Detroit around the Chrysler Headquarters, 
but that has been taken off the list for now.


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To: "'Mark J Bradakis'" <mark at bradakis.com>; "'Friends of Triumph'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Technology


> And people wonder why Chrysler is in financial difficulty!
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 3:23 PM
> To: 'Friends of Triumph'
> Subject: [Fot] Technology
>
> If memory servers me right, I recall Kas was working on
> a prototype of this system when he was with Nissan:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4
>
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Oct 19 19:13:41 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:13:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs
In-Reply-To: <4ADCE9FE.8090505@cfl.rr.com>
References: <4ADCE9FE.8090505@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4ADD0EC5.5040802@bradakis.com>

The carbs should be fine for a mild race motor.  They are basically
just like a Weber DCOE, though all the parts are completely different.
We have a customer with many Lotus cars that use Dellorto carbs.
Too bad the jets are different, I have tons of Weber brass, but have to
order in Dellorto stuff as needed and wait for delivery.

I do have a couple new Weber 40s and a used one available if anyone
wants such -  $325 new, $275 used.


mjb.


From stlnyc at msn.com  Mon Oct 19 19:19:50 2009
From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:19:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Technology
In-Reply-To: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
References: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <SNT125-W14902BF32ACF1A7616B6B1DAC00@phx.gbl>

Long live Prof. Irwin Corey!



Fred Hodgson

> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:23:03 -0600
> From: mark at bradakis.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Technology
>
> If memory servers me right, I recall Kas was working on
> a prototype of this system when he was with Nissan:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4
>
>
>
> mjb.
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From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com  Mon Oct 19 20:14:35 2009
From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:14:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Cams
In-Reply-To: <SNT125-W14902BF32ACF1A7616B6B1DAC00@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE989A252A273@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>

Hi Fot'rs
I am ready to turn my attention back to my stalled GT6 Race car restoration
project and was wondering if the TR6 cams are recommended for the GT6 engine
and what cam that might be. I have high ratio roller rockers and a billet
crank. My goal is SRRA and VARAC racing in the east. Mostly sprint races but
definitely the enduro's too.
Thank you for any help  you might be able to provide
Bill Bartlett
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Oct 19 20:17:38 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:17:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Preliminary video from Hallett yesterday
Message-ID: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>

Fun race, they reversed the grid for this race - slow guys up 
front.  Last video on this page:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm

You will probably need to do a right-click, save as and download the 
file before it will let you play it.

I plan to edit it down to 10 min so I can put it on You Tube.

- Tony Drews


From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Oct 19 20:53:58 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:53:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Technology
References: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
	<SNT125-W14902BF32ACF1A7616B6B1DAC00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F02D340F438440918C25FDFFD4E43E90@Bud>

I forgot all about him!
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred & Mary Hodgson" <stlnyc at msn.com>
To: <mark at bradakis.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Technology


> Long live Prof. Irwin Corey!
> 
> 
> 
> Fred Hodgson
> 
>> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:23:03 -0600
>> From: mark at bradakis.com
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] Technology
>>
>> If memory servers me right, I recall Kas was working on
>> a prototype of this system when he was with Nissan:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4
>>
>>
>>
>> mjb.
>>
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 19 21:56:52 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:56:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Preliminary video from Hallett yesterday
In-Reply-To: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>
References: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <172D9573-C322-4B3C-BC39-C98E33FBC939@earthlink.net>

BRILLIANT drive Tony!!! Maybe because it was just yesterday or maybe  
because I was the rabbit, but [to the point where the Porsches and  
Mustangs had gotten by us is as far as I've gotten] some of the best  
race video I've seen.
Glad you're home OK - Tom and I too.
More later,
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Oct 19, 2009, at 8:17 PM, Tony Drews wrote:

> Fun race, they reversed the grid for this race - slow guys up  
> front.  Last video on this page:
> http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm
>
> You will probably need to do a right-click, save as and download  
> the file before it will let you play it.
>
> I plan to edit it down to 10 min so I can put it on You Tube.
>
> - Tony Drews
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 19 22:30:37 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:30:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Preliminary video from Hallett yesterday
In-Reply-To: <172D9573-C322-4B3C-BC39-C98E33FBC939@earthlink.net>
References: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>
	<172D9573-C322-4B3C-BC39-C98E33FBC939@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <527CE24A-10B9-4D24-A830-816F217F4581@earthlink.net>

OK, just saw the 2nd half. The sound of your shifts would tell me  
[without pictures] when you got me in your sights. My favorite part  
is the last 4 seconds - don't cut that part.
GREAT STUFF!

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Oct 19, 2009, at 9:56 PM, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer wrote:

> BRILLIANT drive Tony!!! Maybe because it was just yesterday or  
> maybe because I was the rabbit, but [to the point where the  
> Porsches and Mustangs had gotten by us is as far as I've gotten]  
> some of the best race video I've seen.
> Glad you're home OK - Tom and I too.
> More later,
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
> On Oct 19, 2009, at 8:17 PM, Tony Drews wrote:
>
>> Fun race, they reversed the grid for this race - slow guys up  
>> front.  Last video on this page:
>> http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm
>>
>> You will probably need to do a right-click, save as and download  
>> the file before it will let you play it.
>>
>> I plan to edit it down to 10 min so I can put it on You Tube.
>>
>> - Tony Drews
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Tue Oct 20 09:49:37 2009
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:49:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Technology
In-Reply-To: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
References: <4ADCE6C7.1050102@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4ADDDC11.5060704@charter.net>

Great video
I use to moonlight as an Automotive Instructor at our local community 
college teaching  the Automatic Transmission Courses.
I use to play this video ( he has a few others) just to see if the 
students would catch on ( some dim bulbs in the group)
By coincidence, we use to use the same trans A604 as the primary 
rebuilding project.

Glenn Franco
72 Spit racer and too many TR's

Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> If memory servers me right, I recall Kas was working on
> a prototype of this system when he was with Nissan:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4
>
>
>
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Tue Oct 20 11:10:40 2009
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:10:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Luckiest Racer ever
Message-ID: <F858272B04BF40CDB6A8968A49E14726@your4dacd0ea75>

Check this out

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1923341


From riverside at southslope.net  Tue Oct 20 12:10:04 2009
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:10:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs
References: <4ADCE9FE.8090505@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001501ca51b0$8d2ab240$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>

I think Dave Bean handles parts - i have an old 
parts list from him

art de armond
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob" <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 5:36 PM
Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs


> All,
> 
> Looking for opinions on Dellorto 40 carbs. Properly set up are they big 
> enough for a mild race motor? Any parts sources here in the states? I 
> know of a set with manifold for sale.
> 
> Bob
> 57 TR3 in process
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Tue Oct 20 12:27:39 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:27:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Luckiest Racer ever
In-Reply-To: <F858272B04BF40CDB6A8968A49E14726@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <F858272B04BF40CDB6A8968A49E14726@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <8CC1FCA2373E204-5418-39AD@webmail-d095.sysops.aol.com>

 Dam ... those tree branches are closer to the course than those spectators !


Bob T







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From: Paul MacDonald <macdonaldp at rogers.com>
To: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:10 pm
Subject: [Fot] Luckiest Racer ever










Check this out

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1923341
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue Oct 20 13:22:21 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:22:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Luckiest Racer ever
In-Reply-To: <F858272B04BF40CDB6A8968A49E14726@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <F858272B04BF40CDB6A8968A49E14726@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <61B35D03-F2C0-4892-B535-619AF9185523@bnj.com>

Been there, done that. Only it was in a big tractor clearing brush and  
the wheel picked up a 4" log and speared it through the cab--missed me  
by THIS much

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From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Tue Oct 20 15:16:05 2009
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:16:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] '72 Spit U Joints
Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A6115A8@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>

Afternoon List Members,

Need some help nearly could have killed myself last weekend at Road
Atlanta. Last session of the day on Sunday (the actual race itself). Put
her in reverse and while backing out of my pit the right rear u joint
broke (again). It broke off one of the bearing surfaces, cracked that
cap. Ruined both rear tires as they gouged into the fender lips
shredding the tread off. Damaged one fender a little too.

I had this happen two years ago at home when loading up for a race. Same
thing reverse and let out the clutch and BANG.

Had this happened on turn 12 at race speed ..... makes me very nervous.

Anyway what's the fix I have Sommers Bros axles, and I am pretty sure
the larger GT6 flanges for the u joints, stub axles etc. I tried last
time to find a solid u joint with no grease zerks or grease holes thru
the u joint cross but in checking with  5-6 manufacturers including
Dana-Spicer no one had any.

I like my butt and want this to be safe, butttt I like to go fast too so
I want to get the fix if there is any out there. Please help!!


Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax


From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Oct 20 15:43:41 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:43:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] '72 Spit U Joints
In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A6115A8@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>
References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A6115A8@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>
Message-ID: <D36C019FD8734F44A10C44BFEC885E2A@joepentiumnew>

After installing the Honda engine my autocrosser, I started breaking things
in the rear with great regularity.  Usually on exit of a sharp turn where
the joints are at maximum flex is when the U-Joints would let go.

I tried a number of different brands with little success until I found some
made by DANA Spicer.  After I installed them, I had no more breakage.  (That
is when I discovered the frailty of the diff itself.)

They are not found in your normal parts stores and you might (as I did) have
to go to a driveline specialty shop and have them special order some for
you.

Good Luck,
Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:16 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] '72 Spit U Joints

Afternoon List Members,

Need some help nearly could have killed myself last weekend at Road
Atlanta. Last session of the day on Sunday (the actual race itself). Put
her in reverse and while backing out of my pit the right rear u joint
broke (again). It broke off one of the bearing surfaces, cracked that
cap. Ruined both rear tires as they gouged into the fender lips
shredding the tread off. Damaged one fender a little too.

I had this happen two years ago at home when loading up for a race. Same
thing reverse and let out the clutch and BANG.

Had this happened on turn 12 at race speed ..... makes me very nervous.

Anyway what's the fix I have Sommers Bros axles, and I am pretty sure
the larger GT6 flanges for the u joints, stub axles etc. I tried last
time to find a solid u joint with no grease zerks or grease holes thru
the u joint cross but in checking with  5-6 manufacturers including
Dana-Spicer no one had any.

I like my butt and want this to be safe, butttt I like to go fast too so
I want to get the fix if there is any out there. Please help!!


Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax
Fot at autox.team.net
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From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Oct 20 16:15:27 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:15:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] '72 Spit U Joints
In-Reply-To: <D36C019FD8734F44A10C44BFEC885E2A@joepentiumnew>
References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A6115A8@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>
	<D36C019FD8734F44A10C44BFEC885E2A@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <C6C2FBBA9F784E9CAA9CDCFC6FD13860@KasPC>

I used some used on fork lifts back when we did the very first forged one 
piece axles. Very strong.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: "'Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info'" 
<info at dieselperformanceparts.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] '72 Spit U Joints


> After installing the Honda engine my autocrosser, I started breaking 
> things
> in the rear with great regularity.  Usually on exit of a sharp turn where
> the joints are at maximum flex is when the U-Joints would let go.
>
> I tried a number of different brands with little success until I found 
> some
> made by DANA Spicer.  After I installed them, I had no more breakage. 
> (That
> is when I discovered the frailty of the diff itself.)
>
> They are not found in your normal parts stores and you might (as I did) 
> have
> to go to a driveline specialty shop and have them special order some for
> you.
>
> Good Luck,
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:16 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] '72 Spit U Joints
>
> Afternoon List Members,
>
> Need some help nearly could have killed myself last weekend at Road
> Atlanta. Last session of the day on Sunday (the actual race itself). Put
> her in reverse and while backing out of my pit the right rear u joint
> broke (again). It broke off one of the bearing surfaces, cracked that
> cap. Ruined both rear tires as they gouged into the fender lips
> shredding the tread off. Damaged one fender a little too.
>
> I had this happen two years ago at home when loading up for a race. Same
> thing reverse and let out the clutch and BANG.
>
> Had this happened on turn 12 at race speed ..... makes me very nervous.
>
> Anyway what's the fix I have Sommers Bros axles, and I am pretty sure
> the larger GT6 flanges for the u joints, stub axles etc. I tried last
> time to find a solid u joint with no grease zerks or grease holes thru
> the u joint cross but in checking with  5-6 manufacturers including
> Dana-Spicer no one had any.
>
> I like my butt and want this to be safe, butttt I like to go fast too so
> I want to get the fix if there is any out there. Please help!!
>
>
> Mark Craig
> Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
> 411 Allied Drive
> Nashville, TN 37211
> 866-455-7788 Phone
> 615-834-9923 Fax
> Fot at autox.team.net
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Oct 20 17:11:34 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:11:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Preliminary video from Hallett yesterday
In-Reply-To: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>
References: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4ADE43A6.80804@pobox.com>

This was scheduled to be a big weekend for Triumphs at Hallett.  Tony 
Drews did the long tow from Illinois, which prompted Greg "Lunker" 
Hilyer to come over from New Mexico and Bob Kramer to come up from 
Texas.  Gary Fuqua rounded out the contingent of TR4s and Bobby 
Whitehead was running his GT6 in a different group.  Gary also organized 
the carport, which was greatly appreciated by all.

Unfortunately, Bob's engine decided to eat its crank scrapper on Friday. 
Gary ran very strong on Tony's tail Saturday, but didn't run Sunday due 
to pain from his shingles.  By Sunday morning, we had the two remaining 
TR4s and Bobby's GT6 running.  Apparently, the three 911 guys and the 
two Mustangs in the race group got bored, so they lobbied for a reversed 
order start on Sunday morning.  I watched the race from the lower 
bleachers, which oversee what I call the "stop and turn left" at the 
bottom of the hill.

Lunkerman Hilyer didn't finish the previous race on Saturday, so he was 
gridded near the front.  Instead of having a rabbit or a carrot to 
chase, they got number 3.14, the "Plum Pi".  Tony was gridded about a 
third of the way back in the pack. First lap around, the pi was behind 
three B sedans and Tony had worked up to eighth or so.  Next time around 
the pi was in front and Tony was fifth.  Then for the next few laps, it 
was the Lunker in front with Tony hot on his tail.  Before long, the 
911s worked through the rest of the pack and we had the two TR4's with 
the 911's and one of the the Mustangs in hot pursuit.  The two little 
Triumphs fought valiantly and held off those nasty Porshes for some 
time, but eventually they succumbed to the newer technology.  After 
that, it was a race to see which Triumph would come out ahead.  They 
fought tooth and nail and Lunker felt the increased pressure as the 
flagman indicated two laps to go.  Both Triumphs went faster and faster, 
but Tony was not able to get around the pi.  They finished with Tony 
glued to the tail of the pi.  For both cars, their fastest lap was the 
last one - both running in the 1:34s.

As a spectator, the race was great fun.  I can imagine how much fun it 
would have been for Tony and Lunker.  Here's a photo taken on about 
about the 5th lap of this 9 lap race.  I've also sent some video clips 
to Tony.  I hope he can work some magic and combine them with his in-car 
video.

http://www.tildentechnologies.com/DSC_0216a.jpg

Larry Young




Tony Drews wrote:
> Fun race, they reversed the grid for this race - slow guys up front.  
> Last video on this page:
> http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm


From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Tue Oct 20 18:08:32 2009
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:08:32 +1100
Subject: [Fot] Racing Triumphant in Australia!
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAALDENVUehEBKk+eRXeuOGncBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>

Kas,

 

Just letting you know that we got hold of the BOSCH fuel pump. It is was a
Porsche; Bosch Pump 984;

Pierburg Brand.

 

We got it into the TR6 along with changing the injectors. Got the car
qualified etc. so that our 12 car Team was ready to go on the Sunday.

 

In the  wash up, 1 team of 6 cars finished 1st place out of 220+ cars (43
teams of all makes/models, modern &old). Winning by a few hundred meters
after 6 hours of racing!!!!!

Our second team  had 2 cars drop out. One through clutch failure and the
other was run into!. This team still managed to finish 7th! So a great day
for Triumph! Especially on the 50th anniversary year!

 

One of our TR7 V8's around the track

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG1BgykSyPw

 

http://www.aroca6hour.org.au/

 

Thanks for all your help.

 

Cheers.

 

Peter Vucinic

TR4 - TSOA VICTORIA Australia

 

 

 

 

From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] 
Sent: Thursday, 15 October 2009 2:21 AM
To: Peter Vucinic
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump

 

The Bosche numbers I have are: 0580 24909  and the other which is more
expensive (a lot more) but I don't think any more effective, 0580 24996. 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Peter <mailto:pvucinic at netspace.net.au>  Vucinic 

To: 'Kas Kastner' <mailto:kaskas at cox.net>  

Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:14 PM

Subject: RE: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump

 

Kas,

Thanks mate! Appreciated. Does 044 ring a bell??


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 20 19:41:59 2009
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:41:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Condenser ?
Message-ID: <BAY123-W23650112BE3FBBDA47F2F3BABF0@phx.gbl>

I run Mallory dual points on both the TR6 and Spitfire. I have never had a
condenser go bad on the TR6. On the Spitfire they don't seem to last. Both use
Mallory #400 condensers. First, is there anything that would cause them to
take a dump more rapidly on one vehicle compared to another? Second, are the
Mallory condensers different than a generic condenser? I can get generics
anytime, sources for the Mallory's are not around the corner when one takes a
dump and I don't have a spare handy.Any opinions out there?

Thanks,
Marty

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From joeg at neb.rr.com  Tue Oct 20 20:44:23 2009
From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:44:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs
In-Reply-To: <mailman.16300.1256011026.3240.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.16300.1256011026.3240.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000901ca51f8$660fc810$0a02a8c0@Guinan>

Bob,

I run Dellorto 40's on my "warm" street Spitfire.  I run 28m chokes, which
provide good low end punch but limit high end breathing.  30mm would let me
over-rev that 1500 engine that does not like high revs.  I'm no carb guru -
but found them pretty easy to adjust for tuning.  I have a good selection of
jets and tubes, and a large collection of written material about tuning.
So, if you decide to go with the Dells, let me know and I'll send copies of
all the document files.  I'd also send my collection of brass so you can
test different main jets, idle jets and accelerator pump jets and their
assorted emulsion tubes.  You could then replace what you use or destroy.
I've found there are some things to watch out for on the Dells - if you're
interested we can take it off the FOT list to avoid boring everyone else.

I used to buy the parts from Matt at Eurocarb, LTD. I see his company is now
called Dellorto Carburatori UK.  Nice web site at
http://www.dellorto.co.uk/.

As Mark said, the Dells are almost the same as Weber DCOE carbs, but use
completely different jets and emulsion tubes.  The Webers are a LOT easier
to get parts for, and there are more people that know how to tune/adjust the
Webers.  People that like Dells will tell you they are better/more
adjustable.  I don't have experience with the Webers that would allow me to
judge.  I'd probably go with Webers if I was to start all over again - just
so much easier to get parts and advice.

Joe Guinan
Fremont, NE
-------------------------------Original
Message---------------------------------
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:36:46 -0400
From: Bob <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>

All,
Looking for opinions on Dellorto 40 carbs. Properly set up are they big
enough for a mild race motor? Any parts sources here in the states? I know
of a set with manifold for sale.
Bob
57 TR3 in process


From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Tue Oct 20 20:58:05 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:58:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Glen race
Message-ID: <00b901ca51fa$506a0640$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

Hi all, the VRG held a race at Watkins Glen last weekend. I considered going,
but didn't for various reasons.
I got a call from a friend who works the Grid; he said they got 4 inches of
snow Friday! Cold as blazes. He wore a snowmobile suit on the Grid!
They ran Saturday after the track dried, but most of the entrants went home.
There were handfulls of cars that gridded and ran.
The organizers cancelled Sunday's schedule, by what my contact told me.
Some you win, and some you don't get dressed for, although under those
circumstances, 4 layers of Nomex would probably be welcomed. I'll take 90
degrees any time!
Bill


From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 21:19:01 2009
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:19:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Condenser ?
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W23650112BE3FBBDA47F2F3BABF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-W23650112BE3FBBDA47F2F3BABF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4ADE7DA5.1030106@gmail.com>

marty sukey wrote:
> I run Mallory dual points on both the TR6 and Spitfire. I have never had a
> condenser go bad on the TR6. On the Spitfire they don't seem to last. Both use
> Mallory #400 condensers. First, is there anything that would cause them to
> take a dump more rapidly on one vehicle compared to another? Second, are the
> Mallory condensers different than a generic condenser? I can get generics
> anytime, sources for the Mallory's are not around the corner when one takes a
> dump and I don't have a spare handy.Any opinions out there?
>
>   
Been there, joined the condenser a week club and discovered that they 
are not cheaper by the dozen.

The problem boils down to the distributor body where it connects to the 
block does not make a reliable ground with Mallory distributors.  Works 
with some distributors but not with others.

The cure is to add a ground wire between the engine and the distributor 
body. 

Now if I can just figure out what to do with this pile of spare 
condensers that have been sitting around for the last couple years.  I 
got quick at swapping condensers along the side of the road though.


Teriann


From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Tue Oct 20 21:59:40 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:59:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Condenser ?
References: <BAY123-W23650112BE3FBBDA47F2F3BABF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00d801ca5202$eb02c540$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Marty, do you use an in-line resistor in both cars? Although the
condensers should be rated for way more than 12 volts.I think the rating is
.28 mfd at 600 volts.
  Is there a small braided ground wire in the distributor between the
breaker plate and the dist body? Or the engine and chassis ground cable?
Kind of grasping at straws here, but you know how British cars and grounds
are.
  I've seem problems with loose condenser mounting screws back in the Dark
Ages.
  As far as Mallory being better than another brand, with todays outsourcing
and quality control (or lack of), who knows. I use Standard brand parts on
my old tractors and they seem fine. And Pertronix on my TR6.
  Good luck, Bill


    ----- Original Message -----
  From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
  To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:41 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Condenser ?


  > I run Mallory dual points on both the TR6 and Spitfire. I have never had
a
  > condenser go bad on the TR6. On the Spitfire they don't seem to last.
Both use
  > Mallory #400 condensers. First, is there anything that would cause them
to
  > take a dump more rapidly on one vehicle compared to another? Second, are
the
  > Mallory condensers different than a generic condenser? I can get
generics
  > anytime, sources for the Mallory's are not around the corner when one
takes a
  > dump and I don't have a spare handy.Any opinions out there?
  >
  > Thanks,
  > Marty
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue Oct 20 22:26:57 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:26:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Condenser ?
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W23650112BE3FBBDA47F2F3BABF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-W23650112BE3FBBDA47F2F3BABF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D2A20809-C0AB-4999-894D-628860812D13@bnj.com>

I know this has been covered before, but if you want condensers to  
last you need to sand the case to ensure they get a good ground. the  
coat them with lacquer. You can solder the clamp to the case or just  
use a little contact grease--you can get the stuff at Radio shack.

You could indeed buy a better quality condenser. Industrial condensers  
with two leads instead of a grounded case. Make sure it's high  
voltage, as I recollect you want at least a 400V condenser and it  
should be about .2--.25 microfarads. Not an electrolytic--those are  
polarized. You need a good paper condenser.

Just about any car condenser will work, you could go to napa and ask  
what they have. I generally use Mallory and just sand them. Of course  
right now Peyote has a Pertronics in it. Tony wanted to stick it back  
in. It's working fine. Of course the first time it farts I'm going to  
want points back in the thing. They do seem to be tolerating lower  
voltages a lot better than they used to. I'm still offended that they  
charge extra to put in steering diodes that should have been in place  
to begin with.


On Oct 20, 2009, at 6:41 PM, marty sukey wrote:

> I run Mallory dual points on both the TR6 and Spitfire. I have never  
> had a
> condenser go bad on the TR6. On the Spitfire they don't seem to  
> last. Both use
> Mallory #400 condensers. First, is there anything that would cause  
> them to
> take a dump more rapidly on one vehicle compared to another? Second,  
> are the
> Mallory condensers different than a generic condenser? I can get  
> generics
> anytime, sources for the Mallory's are not around the corner when  
> one takes a
> dump and I don't have a spare handy.Any opinions out there?
>
> Thanks,
> Marty
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue Oct 20 22:31:06 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:31:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs
In-Reply-To: <000901ca51f8$660fc810$0a02a8c0@Guinan>
References: <mailman.16300.1256011026.3240.fot@autox.team.net>
	<000901ca51f8$660fc810$0a02a8c0@Guinan>
Message-ID: <BAACF616-03A2-4D37-84F9-AC619B9E44B7@bnj.com>

Same situation as the Mikuni/Solex weber lookalikes. Functionally  
identical but the brass bits work differently.
On Oct 20, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Joe Guinan wrote:

> Bob,
>
> I run Dellorto 40's on my "warm" street Spitfire.  I run 28m chokes,  
> which
> provide good low end punch but limit high end breathing.  30mm would  
> let me
> over-rev that 1500 engine that does not like high revs.  I'm no carb  
> guru -
> but found them pretty easy to adjust for tuning.  I have a good  
> selection of
> jets and tubes, and a large collection of written material about  
> tuning.
> So, if you decide to go with the Dells, let me know and I'll send  
> copies of
> all the document files.  I'd also send my collection of brass so you  
> can
> test different main jets, idle jets and accelerator pump jets and  
> their
> assorted emulsion tubes.  You could then replace what you use or  
> destroy.
> I've found there are some things to watch out for on the Dells - if  
> you're
> interested we can take it off the FOT list to avoid boring everyone  
> else.
>
> I used to buy the parts from Matt at Eurocarb, LTD. I see his  
> company is now
> called Dellorto Carburatori UK.  Nice web site at
> http://www.dellorto.co.uk/.
>
> As Mark said, the Dells are almost the same as Weber DCOE carbs, but  
> use
> completely different jets and emulsion tubes.  The Webers are a LOT  
> easier
> to get parts for, and there are more people that know how to tune/ 
> adjust the
> Webers.  People that like Dells will tell you they are better/more
> adjustable.  I don't have experience with the Webers that would  
> allow me to
> judge.  I'd probably go with Webers if I was to start all over again  
> - just
> so much easier to get parts and advice.
>
> Joe Guinan
> Fremont, NE
> -------------------------------Original
> Message---------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:36:46 -0400
> From: Bob <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
> Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs
> To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>
> All,
> Looking for opinions on Dellorto 40 carbs. Properly set up are they  
> big
> enough for a mild race motor? Any parts sources here in the states?  
> I know
> of a set with manifold for sale.
> Bob
> 57 TR3 in process
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Tue Oct 20 23:47:05 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:47:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Condenser ?
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W23650112BE3FBBDA47F2F3BABF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-W23650112BE3FBBDA47F2F3BABF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CC20290DE03717-2A50-1BBD8@webmail-m080.sysops.aol.com>

 Seems we've been down this road before.  Mallory condensers going bad for no
apparent reason or a bad production run at the factory.  With everyone
chirping in its this and its that or Mallory is not the way to go.  Well I
have found that it is almost always a BAD GROUND.  When I switched to a
Mallory in my Spit I was concerned about reliability.  Seems a friend with his
TR6 was going through a condenser every time he had the car out and was under
the belief if was bad condensers.  But all the years I have had mine I have
yet to replace any parts, let alone condensers.  Yes, I have several on the
shelf including points, rotors and caps, lot of money on spares.

At the same time I ordered my Mallory I checked with a few electronics friends
of mine and basically assured me that if everything is grounded well a
condenser should never fail.  Maybe after many years of service and cycles of
temperature and moisture changes one could fail.

My advise is to check all the ground connections on the vehicle, especially
body/chassis to the engine and of course the battery.


Best of Luck,
Bob T







-----Original Message-----
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:41 pm
Subject: [Fot] Condenser ?










I run Mallory dual points on both the TR6 and Spitfire. I have never had a
condenser go bad on the TR6. On the Spitfire they don't seem to last. Both
use
Mallory #400 condensers. First, is there anything that would cause them to
take a dump more rapidly on one vehicle compared to another? Second, are the
Mallory condensers different than a generic condenser? I can get generics
anytime, sources for the Mallory's are not around the corner when one takes a
dump and I don't have a spare handy.Any opinions out there?

Thanks,
Marty

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Oct 21 00:46:05 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:46:05 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Racing Triumphant in Australia!
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAALDENVUehEBKk+eRXeuOGncBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAALDENVUehEBKk+eRXeuOGncBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
Message-ID: <001401ca521a$2bddbd60$83993820$@com>

Really great driving.
I like that. Makes me thinking to move on to a TR8. A TR4 never has that
kind of performance.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Peter Vucinic
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Oktober 2009 02:09
An: 'Kas Kastner'
Cc: FOT
Betreff: [Fot] Racing Triumphant in Australia!

Kas,



Just letting you know that we got hold of the BOSCH fuel pump. It is was a
Porsche; Bosch Pump 984;

Pierburg Brand.



We got it into the TR6 along with changing the injectors. Got the car
qualified etc. so that our 12 car Team was ready to go on the Sunday.



In the  wash up, 1 team of 6 cars finished 1st place out of 220+ cars (43
teams of all makes/models, modern &old). Winning by a few hundred meters
after 6 hours of racing!!!!!

Our second team  had 2 cars drop out. One through clutch failure and the
other was run into!. This team still managed to finish 7th! So a great day
for Triumph! Especially on the 50th anniversary year!



One of our TR7 V8's around the track



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG1BgykSyPw



http://www.aroca6hour.org.au/



Thanks for all your help.



Cheers.



Peter Vucinic

TR4 - TSOA VICTORIA Australia









From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, 15 October 2009 2:21 AM
To: Peter Vucinic
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump



The Bosche numbers I have are: 0580 24909  and the other which is more
expensive (a lot more) but I don't think any more effective, 0580 24996.

----- Original Message -----

From: Peter <mailto:pvucinic at netspace.net.au>  Vucinic

To: 'Kas Kastner' <mailto:kaskas at cox.net>

Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:14 PM

Subject: RE: [Fot] TR6 Injection Fuel Pump



Kas,

Thanks mate! Appreciated. Does 044 ring a bell??
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 21 04:29:44 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 03:29:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Preliminary video from Hallett yesterday
In-Reply-To: <4ADE43A6.80804@pobox.com>
References: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>
	<4ADE43A6.80804@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <625365.98140.qm@web80807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Larry,

Nice shot. A couple of questions. Why is the yellow flag being
displayed? Is there
something out of picture? Also, does the cable really help
the bucket truck keep
from tipping? It doesn't seem to stable.

Thanks,

Doug
________________________________
From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
To:
Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
Cc: gctok <gctok at cox.net>; Sam Clark
<TRDOCTOR at aol.com>; FOT <fot at autox.team.net>; Tom Young <saabhuman at aim.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Preliminary
video from Hallett yesterday

This was scheduled to be a big weekend for
Triumphs at Hallett.  Tony Drews did the long tow from Illinois, which
prompted Greg "Lunker" Hilyer to come over from New Mexico and Bob Kramer to
come up from Texas.  Gary Fuqua rounded out the contingent of TR4s and Bobby
Whitehead was running his GT6 in a different group.  Gary also organized the
carport, which was greatly appreciated by all.

Unfortunately, Bob's engine
decided to eat its crank scrapper on Friday. Gary ran very strong on Tony's
tail Saturday, but didn't run Sunday due to pain from his shingles.  By Sunday
morning, we had the two remaining TR4s and Bobby's GT6 running.  Apparently,
the three 911 guys and the two Mustangs in the race group got bored, so they
lobbied for a reversed order start on Sunday morning.  I watched the race from
the lower bleachers, which oversee what I call the "stop and turn left" at the
bottom of the hill.

Lunkerman Hilyer didn't finish the previous race on
Saturday, so he was gridded near the front.  Instead of having a rabbit or a
carrot to chase, they got number 3.14, the "Plum Pi".  Tony was gridded about
a third of the way back in the pack. First lap around, the pi was behind three
B sedans and Tony had worked up to eighth or so.  Next time around the pi was
in front and Tony was fifth.  Then for the next few laps, it was the Lunker in
front with Tony hot on his tail.  Before long, the 911s worked through the
rest of the pack and we had the two TR4's with the 911's and one of the the
Mustangs in hot pursuit.  The two little Triumphs fought valiantly and held
off those nasty Porshes for some time, but eventually they succumbed to the
newer technology.  After that, it was a race to see which Triumph would come
out ahead.  They fought tooth and nail and Lunker felt the increased pressure
as the flagman indicated two laps to go.  Both Triumphs
 went faster and faster, but Tony was not able to get around the pi.  They
finished with Tony glued to the tail of the pi.  For both cars, their fastest
lap was the last one - both running in the 1:34s.

As a spectator, the race
was great fun.  I can imagine how much fun it would have been for Tony and
Lunker.  Here's a photo taken on about about the 5th lap of this 9 lap race. 
I've also sent some video clips to Tony.  I hope he can work some magic and
combine them with his in-car video.
http://www.tildentechnologies.com/DSC_0216a.jpg

Larry Young




Tony Drews
wrote:
> Fun race, they reversed the grid for this race - slow guys up front. 
Last video on this page:
> http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Oct 21 07:17:23 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:17:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Preliminary video from Hallett yesterday
In-Reply-To: <4ADE43A6.80804@pobox.com>
References: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>
	<4ADE43A6.80804@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3EF1@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Interesting photo - why is the Lotus 7 passing or being passed by the
blue car, while the yellow flagger at the corner is madly waving yellow?
:-)

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Larry Young
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 6:12 PM
To: Tony Drews
Cc: gctok; Sam Clark; FOT; Tom Young
Subject: Re: [Fot] Preliminary video from Hallett yesterday

This was scheduled to be a big weekend for Triumphs at Hallett.  Tony
Drews did the long tow from Illinois, which prompted Greg "Lunker"
Hilyer to come over from New Mexico and Bob Kramer to come up from
Texas.  Gary Fuqua rounded out the contingent of TR4s and Bobby
Whitehead was running his GT6 in a different group.  Gary also organized

the carport, which was greatly appreciated by all.

Unfortunately, Bob's engine decided to eat its crank scrapper on Friday.

Gary ran very strong on Tony's tail Saturday, but didn't run Sunday due
to pain from his shingles.  By Sunday morning, we had the two remaining
TR4s and Bobby's GT6 running.  Apparently, the three 911 guys and the
two Mustangs in the race group got bored, so they lobbied for a reversed

order start on Sunday morning.  I watched the race from the lower
bleachers, which oversee what I call the "stop and turn left" at the
bottom of the hill.

Lunkerman Hilyer didn't finish the previous race on Saturday, so he was
gridded near the front.  Instead of having a rabbit or a carrot to
chase, they got number 3.14, the "Plum Pi".  Tony was gridded about a
third of the way back in the pack. First lap around, the pi was behind
three B sedans and Tony had worked up to eighth or so.  Next time around

the pi was in front and Tony was fifth.  Then for the next few laps, it
was the Lunker in front with Tony hot on his tail.  Before long, the
911s worked through the rest of the pack and we had the two TR4's with
the 911's and one of the the Mustangs in hot pursuit.  The two little
Triumphs fought valiantly and held off those nasty Porshes for some
time, but eventually they succumbed to the newer technology.  After
that, it was a race to see which Triumph would come out ahead.  They
fought tooth and nail and Lunker felt the increased pressure as the
flagman indicated two laps to go.  Both Triumphs went faster and faster,

but Tony was not able to get around the pi.  They finished with Tony
glued to the tail of the pi.  For both cars, their fastest lap was the
last one - both running in the 1:34s.

As a spectator, the race was great fun.  I can imagine how much fun it
would have been for Tony and Lunker.  Here's a photo taken on about
about the 5th lap of this 9 lap race.  I've also sent some video clips
to Tony.  I hope he can work some magic and combine them with his in-car

video.

http://www.tildentechnologies.com/DSC_0216a.jpg

Larry Young




Tony Drews wrote:
> Fun race, they reversed the grid for this race - slow guys up front.
> Last video on this page:
> http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Oct 21 08:26:00 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:26:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Preliminary video from Hallett yesterday
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3EF1@svr-exch01.mccarty-
	law.com>
References: <20091020021823.EAC9B18763E@autox.team.net>
	<4ADE43A6.80804@pobox.com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3EF1@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <20091021142653.A472718765F@autox.team.net>

The Lotus is the passer, the blue car the passee, and they just 
crested a hill to see the waving yellow.  There's a car off to 
drivers right off the bottom of the shot - he pulled safely off the track.

- Tony

At 08:17 AM 10/21/2009, Barr, Scott wrote:
>Interesting photo - why is the Lotus 7 passing or being passed by the
>blue car, while the yellow flagger at the corner is madly waving yellow?
>:-)
>
>Scott


From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Oct 21 08:40:01 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:40:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Dellorto 40 DLHA carbs
In-Reply-To: <4ADCE9FE.8090505@cfl.rr.com>
References: <4ADCE9FE.8090505@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20091021144050.6351618765F@autox.team.net>

As far as the "big enough for a mild race motor", the answer is 
yes.  However the top guys seem to run weber 45 DCOE's - I've got a 
set on the shelf that I'm considering installing.  In my non-mild 
race motor, the 42's (really 40's inside) aren't quite big enough (I think).

- Tony Drews

At 05:36 PM 10/19/2009, Bob wrote:
>All,
>
>Looking for opinions on Dellorto 40 carbs. Properly set up are they 
>big enough for a mild race motor? Any parts sources here in the 
>states? I know of a set with manifold for sale.
>
>Bob
>57 TR3 in process
>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Oct 21 20:48:01 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:48:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Re-nomination - John Wagner
Message-ID: <20091022024852.33FB318764B@autox.team.net>

John Wagner dropped off of the FOT in a computer swap - I assume his 
e-mail address changed.  It is now J.Wags63 at yahoo.com.  He keeps John 
Frederici's (I always spell that wrong) TR-3 on the track.

Can we get John back in the good graces of unix land?  :)

Thanks, Tony Drews


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Oct 21 21:17:47 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:17:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Re-nomination - John Wagner
In-Reply-To: <20091022024852.33FB318764B@autox.team.net>
References: <20091022024852.33FB318764B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4ADFCEDB.3080604@bradakis.com>

> Can we get John back in the good graces of unix land?  :)

It is so.


mjb.


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Wed Oct 21 21:19:20 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:19:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Re-nomination - John Wagner
In-Reply-To: <20091022024852.33FB318764B@autox.team.net>
References: <20091022024852.33FB318764B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000601ca52c6$73283ea0$5978bbe0$@com>

Gladly second that.  John has been quite helpful to us as he also lives in
Fond du Lac.

Tim Murphy

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:48 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: j.wags63 at yahoo.com
Subject: [Fot] Re-nomination - John Wagner

John Wagner dropped off of the FOT in a computer swap - I assume his 
e-mail address changed.  It is now J.Wags63 at yahoo.com.  He keeps John 
Frederici's (I always spell that wrong) TR-3 on the track.

Can we get John back in the good graces of unix land?  :)

Thanks, Tony Drews
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Thu Oct 22 05:10:52 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:10:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: most of my Can-Am pics
Message-ID: <014301ca5308$51d0e990$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Hi all. This isn't Triumph related, but it is race related. It's from an old
pal of mine from the early '70's who put some photos on his Facebook site.
Quite interesting.
  What would those cars be worth today?
  BTW, I'm in a few of them. Nice looking blond in some of them also.
  Bill ----- Original Message -----
  From: mike andrews
  To: WILLIAM TOBIN
  Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:05 PM
  Subject: most of my Can-Am pics


  http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=12859&id=1675339458&l=4101ca2578

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From j.wags63 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 22 14:21:10 2009
From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:21:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] re-nomination
Message-ID: <167036.52069.qm@web59510.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

     Thanks Tony for getting me back on FOT.
In 1992 I met John Fridirici,and he asked me to take a look at his race car(something about the rearend). So I went over to his
place  and there sat this brick, painted plumb crazy purple and a grill that looked like big fat lip. Then he told me it had a 4cyl. tractor engine for power.I thought,  "O dear what did I get into". My kind of racing was a big block chevy rear engine rail. Well we have been racing and having fun ever since,and along the way I got to know guys like Mike Belfer ,and Jack Drews both aways willing to help with any thing I would ask.
     So enough about me. At the Fall race at RA we had a wrist pin C lock leave home causing death and distrution to said tractor
engine. What I would like to know is ,what is the hot setup for pistons.      flat tops, domes, coatings (side and tops) compression height and most of all brand.
     thank you
    Just the  wrench
    John Wagner
    j.wags at yahoo.com


From horizonracing at msn.com  Thu Oct 22 14:38:43 2009
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:38:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: most of my Can-Am pics
In-Reply-To: <014301ca5308$51d0e990$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
References: <014301ca5308$51d0e990$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W28337D34387D7D183795B6B2BE0@phx.gbl>

Bill,

Great stuff ! send more! I work and race on a McLaren M8c, so this topic is
REALLY cool.



Tony

> From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:10:52 -0400
> Subject: [Fot] Fw: most of my Can-Am pics
>
> Hi all. This isn't Triumph related, but it is race related. It's from an
old
> pal of mine from the early '70's who put some photos on his Facebook site.
> Quite interesting.
> What would those cars be worth today?
> BTW, I'm in a few of them. Nice looking blond in some of them also.
> Bill ----- Original Message -----
> From: mike andrews
> To: WILLIAM TOBIN
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:05 PM
> Subject: most of my Can-Am pics
>
>
> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=12859&id=1675339458&l=4101ca2578
>
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From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Oct 22 15:26:40 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:26:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: most of my Can-Am pics
In-Reply-To: <BLU136-W28337D34387D7D183795B6B2BE0@phx.gbl>
References: <014301ca5308$51d0e990$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
	<BLU136-W28337D34387D7D183795B6B2BE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330910221426h15ff18abp41e2fec8b2bd6109@mail.gmail.com>

oooohhhh, aaaahhhhh!

Those reminded me of my favourite CanAm bench racing story heard at an SCCA
National Convention...Oscar Kovaleski driving his McLaren _to_ (yes, to, not
at) Watkins Glen after suffering a trailer problem.

I can only imagine it.




On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey <
horizonracing at msn.com> wrote:

> Bill,
>
> Great stuff ! send more! I work and race on a McLaren M8c, so this topic is
> REALLY cool.
>
>
>
> Tony
>
> > From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net
> > To: fot at autox.team.net
> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:10:52 -0400
> > Subject: [Fot] Fw: most of my Can-Am pics
> >
> > Hi all. This isn't Triumph related, but it is race related. It's from an
> old
> > pal of mine from the early '70's who put some photos on his Facebook
> site.
> > Quite interesting.
> > What would those cars be worth today?
> > BTW, I'm in a few of them. Nice looking blond in some of them also.
> > Bill ----- Original Message -----
> > From: mike andrews
> > To: WILLIAM TOBIN
> > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:05 PM
> > Subject: most of my Can-Am pics
> >
> >
> > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=12859&id=1675339458&l=4101ca2578
> >
> > --
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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Oct 22 15:58:40 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:58:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: most of my Can-Am pics
References: <014301ca5308$51d0e990$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae><BLU136-W28337D34387D7D183795B6B2BE0@phx.gbl>
	<d9f7bd330910221426h15ff18abp41e2fec8b2bd6109@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B2589B2AB9794D67BB56097745109DF0@Bud>

those were terrific days...It was so cool to race in regionals as support 
races for those guys..
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "robert bownes" <bownes at seiri.com>
To: "Tony and Annie Garmey" <horizonracing at msn.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: most of my Can-Am pics


> oooohhhh, aaaahhhhh!
>
> Those reminded me of my favourite CanAm bench racing story heard at an 
> SCCA
> National Convention...Oscar Kovaleski driving his McLaren _to_ (yes, to, 
> not
> at) Watkins Glen after suffering a trailer problem.
>
> I can only imagine it.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey <
> horizonracing at msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>>
>> Great stuff ! send more! I work and race on a McLaren M8c, so this topic 
>> is
>> REALLY cool.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> > From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net
>> > To: fot at autox.team.net
>> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:10:52 -0400
>> > Subject: [Fot] Fw: most of my Can-Am pics
>> >
>> > Hi all. This isn't Triumph related, but it is race related. It's from 
>> > an
>> old
>> > pal of mine from the early '70's who put some photos on his Facebook
>> site.
>> > Quite interesting.
>> > What would those cars be worth today?
>> > BTW, I'm in a few of them. Nice looking blond in some of them also.
>> > Bill ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: mike andrews
>> > To: WILLIAM TOBIN
>> > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:05 PM
>> > Subject: most of my Can-Am pics
>> >
>> >
>> > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=12859&id=1675339458&l=4101ca2578
>> >
>> > --
>> > mka
>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> > http://www.facebook.com/mike.andrews
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Sun Oct 25 15:53:48 2009
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:53:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Glen race
In-Reply-To: <00b901ca51fa$506a0640$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
References: <00b901ca51fa$506a0640$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <6809CD1070DB43C2A077B18EA967D542@INSPIRON>

Does anyone have a line on what went on in Millvile N J last weekend ? 
thanks
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" <william.tobin3 at verizon.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:58 PM
Subject: [Fot] Glen race


> Hi all, the VRG held a race at Watkins Glen last weekend. I considered 
> going,
> but didn't for various reasons.
> I got a call from a friend who works the Grid; he said they got 4 inches 
> of
> snow Friday! Cold as blazes. He wore a snowmobile suit on the Grid!
> They ran Saturday after the track dried, but most of the entrants went 
> home.
> There were handfulls of cars that gridded and ran.
> The organizers cancelled Sunday's schedule, by what my contact told me.
> Some you win, and some you don't get dressed for, although under those
> circumstances, 4 layers of Nomex would probably be welcomed. I'll take 90
> degrees any time!
> Bill
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 23 18:09:42 2009
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:09:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
Message-ID: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

The car is getting closer.  The engine is back the fuel cell is installed the
additions to the roll cage are almost completed.

I am looking for imput on
the distributor.  My engine guy said the weights on the distributor seem to be
stuck.  I have not taken it apart to see what the deal is.  With all that said
is there suggestion on what I should do with the distributor.  Should I get
this one rebuilt.  Should I buy a new one? Should I do the pertronix
distributor? 

Thanks

Mike
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From billb at bnj.com  Fri Oct 23 18:25:51 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:25:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
In-Reply-To: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CCF103A-6E1F-49DC-9EFB-846BC3073AB6@bnj.com>

Assuming you have a Lucas disty, it needs to be rebuilt before you use  
it in a serious motor. A pertronix will help, but the advance needs to  
work and the curve needs to be right. Also nice if the shaft isn't  
wobbling
On Oct 23, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Mike Mehl wrote:

> The car is getting closer.  The engine is back the fuel cell is  
> installed the
> additions to the roll cage are almost completed.
>
> I am looking for imput on
> the distributor.  My engine guy said the weights on the distributor  
> seem to be
> stuck.  I have not taken it apart to see what the deal is.  With all  
> that said
> is there suggestion on what I should do with the distributor.   
> Should I get
> this one rebuilt.  Should I buy a new one? Should I do the pertronix
> distributor?
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Fri Oct 23 20:13:39 2009
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:13:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
In-Reply-To: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca544f$9a978010$cfc68030$@racer@comcast.net>

Mike:

As part of your research, I'd recommend you contact Jeff at Advanced
Distributor (www.advanceddistributors.com) in Minnesota.  He was recommended
to me by Joe Alexander.  I had a dual-point Mallory distributor go bad and
after talking with Jeff, decided to buy one of his rebuilt, Pertronix
equipped, Lucas units with an advance curve tailor made for my 1962 TR4
vintage racer.  Price was $225, vintage correct, works like a charm and
promptly delivered.  Jeff supplies advance spec on outside of package so you
know how to install it and he can also supply spare parts for the Lucas
(cap, rotor, etc) and provide a trade in for your old Lucas unit if you have
one to send. He also recommended Magnecor spark plug wires which I bought
directly from Magnecor.

Worth checking out.  I have no financial interest, just a recommendation for
a good supplier.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mike Mehl
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 5:10 PM
To: Triumph Friends of
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed

The car is getting closer.  The engine is back the fuel cell is installed
the
additions to the roll cage are almost completed.

I am looking for imput on
the distributor.  My engine guy said the weights on the distributor seem to
be
stuck.  I have not taken it apart to see what the deal is.  With all that
said
is there suggestion on what I should do with the distributor.  Should I get
this one rebuilt.  Should I buy a new one? Should I do the pertronix
distributor? 

Thanks

Mike
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Oct 23 21:50:11 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:50:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
In-Reply-To: <000001ca544f$9a978010$cfc68030$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<000001ca544f$9a978010$cfc68030$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4AE27973.2030709@bradakis.com>

A pertronix unit replaces the points, it does nothing for the advance.
Get those weights and springs under the plate in working order.

mjb.


From triosan at gmail.com  Sat Oct 24 09:33:54 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:33:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
In-Reply-To: <4AE27973.2030709@bradakis.com>
References: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<4AE27973.2030709@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0910240833u690f5f7ib4873a9d1a2c26f2@mail.gmail.com>

Pertronix also makes the entire distibutor for the 4 and 6.  Works great.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> A pertronix unit replaces the points, it does nothing for the advance.
> Get those weights and springs under the plate in working order.
>
> mjb.
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From KENMUN at aol.com  Sat Oct 24 13:07:36 2009
From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:07:36 EDT
Subject: [Fot] water in the oil
Message-ID: <d60.5bd46ac4.3814aa78@aol.com>

fot, i just finished a rebuild on my tr3 race motor. i ran it for about 1  
hr. and was very disappointed to find water in the oil. the water appears as 
 drops in the oil on top of the head. there is a milky film inside the 
valve  cover, there was about 1 qrt of water that came out first when i drained 
the  oil. also the water seems to be leaking out at the rate of 1 table 
spoon/day  even though the car isn't running. it has to be the figure 8 gasket, 
the head  gasket or both right? any tests that i could run to find out 
which? the motor is  87mm,10.5/1 cr, figure 8 gaskets with copper coat, liners up 
.004"/.005",  copper head gasket with a sealant. all ideas, tests, 
theories, suggestions  welcome. anyone successfully running the composite head 
gasket with the head  milled to where the intake pocket is removed? thanks for 
the help, ken  m.


From malaboge at aol.com  Sat Oct 24 13:47:34 2009
From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:47:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] water in the oil
In-Reply-To: <d60.5bd46ac4.3814aa78@aol.com>
References: <d60.5bd46ac4.3814aa78@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC22F9F731C0A5-55C4-EDD0@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com>

Ken-


Does there appear to be more water sitting at the rear of the cyl head when
you take the vc off?  Unfortunately, the block often cracks at the rear stud
and the water immediately finds its way out of the cooling system and up the
stud and onto the head.  Try running it with the vc off and see if water
appears as if by majic at that stud.  If so, try wrapping solid core solder
around the stud betwixt head and washer, put washer and nut back on, re-torque
and pray...
If all that looks good, I'm afraid you've got to repeat everything you just
did with new fo 8's...bummer.


Leakin a little myself...
    Nick in Nor Cal


-----Original Message-----
From: KENMUN at aol.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Oct 24, 2009 12:07 pm
Subject: [Fot] water in the oil








fot, i just finished a rebuild on my tr3 race motor. i ran it for about 1
hr. and was very disappointed to find water in the oil. the water appears as
 drops in the oil on top of the head. there is a milky film inside the
valve  cover, there was about 1 qrt of water that came out first when i
drained
the  oil. also the water seems to be leaking out at the rate of 1 table
spoon/day  even though the car isn't running. it has to be the figure 8
gasket,
the head  gasket or both right? any tests that i could run to find out
which? the motor is  87mm,10.5/1 cr, figure 8 gaskets with copper coat, liners
up
.004"/.005",  copper head gasket with a sealant. all ideas, tests,
theories, suggestions  welcome. anyone successfully running the composite head
gasket with the head  milled to where the intake pocket is removed? thanks for
the help, ken  m.
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From kaskas at cox.net  Sat Oct 24 14:01:43 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:01:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Mike Munson
Message-ID: <55E947480B8F4FC4BC633620E96DBC49@KasPC>

Please contact me off line Mike. (E-mail) kaskas at cox.net

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Kas Kastner.vcf]


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Oct 24 15:00:56 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:00:56 +0200
Subject: [Fot] water in the oil
In-Reply-To: <d60.5bd46ac4.3814aa78@aol.com>
References: <d60.5bd46ac4.3814aa78@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000901ca54ed$15e286f0$41a794d0$@com>

The block likes to crack at stud #9, often into the area above the tappets.
Difficult to weld.
To find out from where the water comes:
Remove the oil pan and have a look from down stairs into the engine.
Normally water drops are visible.
For the figure 8 gasket I use a thick coat of silicone to insulate the
gasket from contact with water to prevent corrosion. For the steel head
gasket I use a new sealant which worked fine 'till now.

Cheers
Chris

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Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Oktober 2009 21:08
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] water in the oil

fot, i just finished a rebuild on my tr3 race motor. i ran it for about 1
hr. and was very disappointed to find water in the oil. the water appears as

 drops in the oil on top of the head. there is a milky film inside the
valve  cover, there was about 1 qrt of water that came out first when i
drained
the  oil. also the water seems to be leaking out at the rate of 1 table
spoon/day  even though the car isn't running. it has to be the figure 8
gasket,
the head  gasket or both right? any tests that i could run to find out
which? the motor is  87mm,10.5/1 cr, figure 8 gaskets with copper coat,
liners up
.004"/.005",  copper head gasket with a sealant. all ideas, tests,
theories, suggestions  welcome. anyone successfully running the composite
head
gasket with the head  milled to where the intake pocket is removed? thanks
for
the help, ken  m.
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sun Oct 25 12:58:56 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:58:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] False or skewed EGT readings in a TR4
Message-ID: <58DF9E091DCB4B32B3686724B59EC953@hal9000>

I think Im getting false EGT readings due to airflow over the #1 header
tube.

The probes are about 1-1/4 from the flange in #s 1 & 4 tubes.

Im using Mikuni HSR cabs. When jetting, needle settings and pilot air screw
settings

are equal front to rear I get equal EGT front to rear while static. As soon
as I drive the car

or turn on the electric fan then my front EGT reading drops. Thats why I
believe its air

flow over the exhaust and not jetting. By the way, I dont use a fan shroud,
with the Griffin

radiator I dont need it. I fabricated a small shroud for the front tube,

it only had a mild effect.

At wide open my AFR reads 14.6  14.7   In order to keep the rear temps from
going over

1,250  1,300 I have to run in my rear pilot air screw to within = - > turn
from bottom

it really wants to be 1 to 1.5 turns out.

Another bothersome thing is I am using the fattest jet needles made for
those carbs and

I race at 5,000 feet( Colorado). Before I went to the larger

jet needles my temps were 1,300 -1,400 unless I ran the pilot air screw in
to within < - =

from bottom. Im going to the Topeka race next year which is 800 ft above
sea level

so I need to get it worked out by then.

I really dont know what my EGTs are at wide open or at least I dont trust
the readings Im getting.

Does anyone else have this problem and if so how are you dealing with it?


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sun Oct 25 12:59:45 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:59:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW: False or skewed EGT readings in a TR4
Message-ID: <7DD94E24F56B40A5887DCABBE4BDBAB9@hal9000>

  _____

From: Jim Gray [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net]
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 12:59 PM
To: Friends of triumph (fot at autox.team.net)
Subject: False or skewed EGT readings in a TR4



I think Im getting false EGT readings due to airflow over the #1 header
tube.

The probes are about 1-1/4 from the flange in #s 1 & 4 tubes.

Im using Mikuni HSR cabs. When jetting, needle settings and pilot air screw
settings

are equal front to rear I get equal EGT front to rear while static. As soon
as I drive the car

or turn on the electric fan then my front EGT reading drops. Thats why I
believe its air

flow over the exhaust and not jetting. By the way, I dont use a fan shroud,
with the Griffin

radiator I dont need it. I fabricated a small shroud for the front tube,

it only had a mild effect.

At wide open my AFR reads 14.6  14.7   In order to keep the rear temps from
going over

1,250  1,300 I have to run in my rear pilot air screw to within = - > turn
from bottom

it really wants to be 1 to 1.5 turns out.

Another bothersome thing is I am using the fattest jet needles made for
those carbs and

I race at 5,000 feet( Colorado). Before I went to the larger

jet needles my temps were 1,300 -1,400 unless I ran the pilot air screw in
to within < - =

from bottom. Im going to the Topeka race next year which is 800 ft above
sea level

so I need to get it worked out by then.

I really dont know what my EGTs are at wide open or at least I dont trust
the readings Im getting.

Does anyone else have this problem and if so how are you dealing with it?





Oops sent to soon,

Thanks for any input,



Jim G


From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct 25 15:33:19 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:33:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] OT: Simone Smiljanic
Message-ID: <000601ca55ba$c5bcc040$513640c0$@net>

Amici,

I don't know if any of you know Simone, she has been the voice of Control
for
IRL and ALMS for quite a while, and I am sure some of you may have met her
at club races before that.

Simone had a stroke a week ago, 10-17. She is in intensive care at hospital
in
Cincinnati. My understanding is that she will be going to a rehab facility
this
coming week.

If you would like more info, please check out her CaringBridge website at
http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/simonesmiljanic

Cheers,

Doug

--
Doug Mitchell
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Oct 25 17:43:43 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:43:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
In-Reply-To: <000001ca544f$9a978010$cfc68030$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<000001ca544f$9a978010$cfc68030$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8CC23E41F02AC77-26CC-336C6@webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com>

I just spent some time with Jeff in Minneapolis....only way to go.

he has found a very valuable niche and does well with it

joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Horstkorta <vintage.racer at comcast.net>
To: 'Mike Mehl' <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>; 'Triumph Friends of'
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2009 9:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed



Mike:
As part of your research, I'd recommend you contact Jeff at Advanced
istributor (www.advanceddistributors.com) in Minnesota.  He was recommended
o me by Joe Alexander.  I had a dual-point Mallory distributor go bad and
fter talking with Jeff, decided to buy one of his rebuilt, Pertronix
quipped, Lucas units with an advance curve tailor made for my 1962 TR4
intage racer.  Price was $225, vintage correct, works like a charm and
romptly delivered.  Jeff supplies advance spec on outside of package so you
now how to install it and he can also supply spare parts for the Lucas
cap, rotor, etc) and provide a trade in for your old Lucas unit if you have
ne to send. He also recommended Magnecor spark plug wires which I bought
irectly from Magnecor.
Worth checking out.  I have no financial interest, just a recommendation for
 good supplier.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
ehalf Of Mike Mehl
ent: Friday, October 23, 2009 5:10 PM
o: Triumph Friends of
ubject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
The car is getting closer.  The engine is back the fuel cell is installed
he
dditions to the roll cage are almost completed.
I am looking for imput on
he distributor.  My engine guy said the weights on the distributor seem to
e
tuck.  I have not taken it apart to see what the deal is.  With all that
aid
s there suggestion on what I should do with the distributor.  Should I get
his one rebuilt.  Should I buy a new one? Should I do the pertronix
istributor?
Thanks
Mike
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From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Oct 26 09:17:53 2009
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:17:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
References: <637607.52032.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4AE27973.2030709@bradakis.com>
	<8cbd782d0910240833u690f5f7ib4873a9d1a2c26f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001001ca564f$7e326f00$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Anybody ever try is "Smokey's way"/
For serious race engines, Yunick said to ditch
the advance mechanism all together and
lock the thing down.  to start, start to spin engine
over w/ ign off , then turn on ign.
an MG twin cam point plate can be useful if
you can find one.


  art de armond


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From: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>
To: "Mark J Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed


> Pertronix also makes the entire distibutor for the 4 and 6.  Works great.
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> 
> wrote:
>> A pertronix unit replaces the points, it does nothing for the advance.
>> Get those weights and springs under the plate in working order.
>>
>> mjb.
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From mini at wi.rr.com  Mon Oct 26 20:01:59 2009
From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:01:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
Message-ID: <4AE65497.9080205@wi.rr.com>

Just food for thought and discussion!  Given that most British 
distributors will give full advance at 3000 to 3500 RPM, and the speeds 
that most of your race engines run at under race conditions (nether our 
Mini nor the TR6 ever drops below 5000 RPM under race conditions). What 
do you need an "advance curve" for? Set it for full advance at 3500 RPM, 
and forget it!

Richard Gehweiler
Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd.
stonefield at wi.rr.com


From billb at bnj.com  Mon Oct 26 21:34:03 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:34:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
In-Reply-To: <4AE65497.9080205@wi.rr.com>
References: <4AE65497.9080205@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <2EA6EE13-9041-4D8D-9F69-B5BBCD31FF9D@bnj.com>

You can, indeed, but you'll probably have problems with your starter.  
I have enough problems starting my car without doing it against full  
advance. You can add a switch to cut off the ignition until you get  
the motor cranking, but it's been a long time since I had a problem  
with a centrifugal advance.


On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Richard Gehweiler wrote:

> Just food for thought and discussion!  Given that most British  
> distributors will give full advance at 3000 to 3500 RPM, and the  
> speeds that most of your race engines run at under race conditions  
> (nether our Mini nor the TR6 ever drops below 5000 RPM under race  
> conditions). What do you need an "advance curve" for? Set it for  
> full advance at 3500 RPM, and forget it!
>
> Richard Gehweiler
> Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd.
> stonefield at wi.rr.com
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From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Tue Oct 27 00:06:08 2009
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:06:08 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TRactor Rocker shafts oil holes
Message-ID: <000601ca56cb$95976fc0$6401a8c0@blake1>

While disassembling the 5th rocker shaft I have ever disassembled in my
life this evening I had one of these moments where I question why things
are the way they are.  This time it is all centered on the fact that all
5 that I have taken apart show extreme wear on the bottom of the shaft,
but minimal to no wear on the top.  I am sure many of you are familiar
with the wear pattern.  These look to be the result of the bushings
cutting into the shaft and it makes sense that they occur on the bottom
because that is the loaded side of bearing surface.  The oil feed holes
in the shaft are located between the bushings on the top side of the
shaft which line up with the holes in the rocker arms I assume to splash
some oil onto the valve tips.  Why didn't they use oil holes on the
bottom of the shafts to lubricate the critical bearing surface?  Has
anyone tried this?
 
The new shaft that I have on the bench waiting assembly is one of the
readily available harden shafts.  Does it make sense to get that hard
chrome platted as well?  Anyone have a good resource for that service?
 
Probably over thinking this simple assembly.  Rollers would be nice.
 
Greg


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 26 23:34:25 2009
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:34:25 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TRactor Rocker shafts oil holes
In-Reply-To: <000601ca56cb$95976fc0$6401a8c0@blake1>
References: <000601ca56cb$95976fc0$6401a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <2D9044F2-547C-4A16-BC76-2BE86A6DAF6E@earthlink.net>

I enjoyed reading this.  I bet they put the feed hole at the top so  
that the oil would flow downwards and reach the bottom via gravity.   
Did you notice how small the single oil feed hole is at the top of the  
cyl head?  I have a shaft with plenty of wear pattern at the bottom as  
you describe but I think the rocker shafts last for a very long time.   
The key is to support the shaft on both ends so that it won't bend or  
break.  I too have a new hardened shaft to experiment with.  Not sure  
but I have a hunch that chroming it could possibly make the shaft more  
brittle or, if it ever did flex slightly, could the chrome plating  
possibly flake and find its way into the oil system?

~Steve


On Oct 26, 2009, at 11:06 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:

> While disassembling the 5th rocker shaft I have ever disassembled in  
> my
> life this evening I had one of these moments where I question why  
> things
> are the way they are.  This time it is all centered on the fact that  
> all
> 5 that I have taken apart show extreme wear on the bottom of the  
> shaft,
> but minimal to no wear on the top.  I am sure many of you are familiar
> with the wear pattern.  These look to be the result of the bushings
> cutting into the shaft and it makes sense that they occur on the  
> bottom
> because that is the loaded side of bearing surface.  The oil feed  
> holes
> in the shaft are located between the bushings on the top side of the
> shaft which line up with the holes in the rocker arms I assume to  
> splash
> some oil onto the valve tips.  Why didn't they use oil holes on the
> bottom of the shafts to lubricate the critical bearing surface?  Has
> anyone tried this?
>
> The new shaft that I have on the bench waiting assembly is one of the
> readily available harden shafts.  Does it make sense to get that hard
> chrome platted as well?  Anyone have a good resource for that service?
>
> Probably over thinking this simple assembly.  Rollers would be nice.
>
> Greg
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From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com  Tue Oct 27 02:20:41 2009
From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:20:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR/Gt6 compressin ratios and bearngs
In-Reply-To: <2D9044F2-547C-4A16-BC76-2BE86A6DAF6E@earthlink.net>
References: <000601ca56cb$95976fc0$6401a8c0@blake1>
	<2D9044F2-547C-4A16-BC76-2BE86A6DAF6E@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE989C5844507@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>

Hi Fot'rs
I am still working on the GT6 motor and was wondering what compression ratios
people are running in their 6 banger engines, and what bearings are being
used. I am hearing that there are no lead indium racing bearings for the GT6
and as a result one needs to run stock bearings. Also that due to an
inefficient combustion chamber that it is better to keep the compression ratio
in the low 12's vs approaching 13 to help the flame spread and reduce
detonation by reducing height of the piston intruder.
Thoughts?
Hope everyone had a good season
Bill
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Oct 27 05:46:12 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:46:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
References: <4AE65497.9080205@wi.rr.com>
	<2EA6EE13-9041-4D8D-9F69-B5BBCD31FF9D@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <D978A541E24648BCB21ACD2068AE7437@latitudefb1e41>

True dat.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
To: "Richard Gehweiler" <mini at wi.rr.com>
Cc: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] "Smokey's way"


> You can, indeed, but you'll probably have problems with your starter.  
> I have enough problems starting my car without doing it against full  
> advance. You can add a switch to cut off the ignition until you get  
> the motor cranking, but it's been a long time since I had a problem  
> with a centrifugal advance.
> 
> 
> On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Richard Gehweiler wrote:
> 
>> Just food for thought and discussion!  Given that most British  
>> distributors will give full advance at 3000 to 3500 RPM, and the  
>> speeds that most of your race engines run at under race conditions  
>> (nether our Mini nor the TR6 ever drops below 5000 RPM under race  
>> conditions). What do you need an "advance curve" for? Set it for  
>> full advance at 3500 RPM, and forget it!
>>
>> Richard Gehweiler
>> Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd.
>> stonefield at wi.rr.com
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Tue Oct 27 06:15:27 2009
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:15:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR/Gt6 compressin ratios and bearngs
Message-ID: <d69.50385598.38183e5f@aol.com>

The heavy duty King bearings are about the best we can get nowadays.
 
 
In a message dated 10/27/2009 1:21:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com writes:

Hi  Fot'rs
I am still working on the GT6 motor and was wondering what  compression 
ratios
people are running in their 6 banger engines, and what  bearings are being
used. I am hearing that there are no lead indium racing  bearings for the 
GT6
and as a result one needs to run stock bearings. Also  that due to an
inefficient combustion chamber that it is better to keep the  compression 
ratio
in the low 12's vs approaching 13 to help the flame  spread and reduce
detonation by reducing height of the piston  intruder.
Thoughts?
Hope everyone had a good season
Bill
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Oct 27 07:18:38 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:18:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Edited Hallett Video on You Tube
Message-ID: <20091027131853.56AC918764B@autox.team.net>

I edited the race footage down to the 10 minute You Tube limit and put it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5uJLTLrXOk&feature=youtube_gdata

Used Windows Live Movie Maker to edit and post it, I think the 
quality came out very nice.

Cheers, Tony Drews


From Group44TR7 at aol.com  Tue Oct 27 07:59:48 2009
From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:59:48 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Please restore Booby Cee to FOT Email List
Message-ID: <c33.62a4a809.381856d4@aol.com>

Mark
 
        Would you please restore  Bobby to the FOT email list. 
 
        Thank you.
 
Cary


From Group44TR7 at aol.com  Tue Oct 27 08:03:47 2009
From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:03:47 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Chris Swingler - Australian Contacts
Message-ID: <cc5.622f4668.381857c3@aol.com>

Hi All
 
        I have been attempting to  reach Chris Swingler for awhile now. 
Unusual for him not to respond, anyone know  how I can reach him?
 
Cary. 


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue Oct 27 10:58:40 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:58:40 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Edited Hallett Video on You Tube
In-Reply-To: <20091027131853.56AC918764B@autox.team.net>
References: <20091027131853.56AC918764B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <BLU116-W206EAD9D1E2DEE6F5D0FCA90B90@phx.gbl>

Another 10 minutes of my work day gone but I do love TR4's,  looks like you
guys had a great time.  All I can say is I'm green with envy!   Cheers Henry
Morrison





> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:18:38 -0500
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> From: tony at tonydrews.com
> Subject: [Fot] Edited Hallett Video on You Tube
>
> I edited t4e race footage down to the 10 minute You Tube limit and put it
here:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5uJLTLrXOk&feature=youtube_gdata
>
> Used Windows Live Movie Maker to edit and post it, I think the
> quality came out very nice.
>
> Cheers, Tony Drews
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From mini at wi.rr.com  Tue Oct 27 20:06:08 2009
From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:06:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
Message-ID: <4AE7A710.7040400@wi.rr.com>

Just a note of clarification on my previous post, I was not referring to 
disabling the advance, merely timing the engine to give the desired 
amount of full advance at speed (3000 to 3500 RPM). You can easily start 
the engine, but because the engine (on the track) never gets below 4000 
to 5000 RPM, the "advance curve" is not an issue. On the track, you are 
always at full advance. Why go through all the work of  getting a 
distributor dialed in with the correct advance curve, if the engine 
lives at full advance?......This is for a race engine, a street engine 
is an entirely different matter.


Richard Gehweiler
Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd.
stonefield at wi.rr.com


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Tue Oct 27 23:16:10 2009
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:16:10 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TRactor Rocker shafts oil holes
In-Reply-To: <2D9044F2-547C-4A16-BC76-2BE86A6DAF6E@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000001ca578d$c37e25b0$6401a8c0@blake1>

I guess I am not the only one that thinks about such things.  I talked
with Garry?? at Rocker Arm Specialist in CA today.  He said that most of
the shafts they work with have the oil feed holes at 6 O'clock.  Makes
sense to me.

Anyways, sounds like they do some interesting things to address the lack
of shaft lubrication (twss) and wear issues on our up-side-down rocker
gear.  Sending parts his way tomorrow.

Thanks for the contact.

Greg 

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Belfer [mailto:colordog.1 at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:34 PM
To: Greg & Alison Blake
Cc: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] TRactor Rocker shafts oil holes

I enjoyed reading this.  I bet they put the feed hole at the top so  
that the oil would flow downwards and reach the bottom via gravity.   
Did you notice how small the single oil feed hole is at the top of the  
cyl head?  I have a shaft with plenty of wear pattern at the bottom as  
you describe but I think the rocker shafts last for a very long time.   
The key is to support the shaft on both ends so that it won't bend or  
break.  I too have a new hardened shaft to experiment with.  Not sure  
but I have a hunch that chroming it could possibly make the shaft more  
brittle or, if it ever did flex slightly, could the chrome plating  
possibly flake and find its way into the oil system?

~Steve


On Oct 26, 2009, at 11:06 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:

> While disassembling the 5th rocker shaft I have ever disassembled in  
> my
> life this evening I had one of these moments where I question why  
> things
> are the way they are.  This time it is all centered on the fact that  
> all
> 5 that I have taken apart show extreme wear on the bottom of the  
> shaft,
> but minimal to no wear on the top.  I am sure many of you are familiar
> with the wear pattern.  These look to be the result of the bushings
> cutting into the shaft and it makes sense that they occur on the  
> bottom
> because that is the loaded side of bearing surface.  The oil feed  
> holes
> in the shaft are located between the bushings on the top side of the
> shaft which line up with the holes in the rocker arms I assume to  
> splash
> some oil onto the valve tips.  Why didn't they use oil holes on the
> bottom of the shafts to lubricate the critical bearing surface?  Has
> anyone tried this?
>
> The new shaft that I have on the bench waiting assembly is one of the
> readily available harden shafts.  Does it make sense to get that hard
> chrome platted as well?  Anyone have a good resource for that service?
>
> Probably over thinking this simple assembly.  Rollers would be nice.
>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Oct 28 01:55:13 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:55:13 +0100
Subject: [Fot] water in the oil
In-Reply-To: <c2f.5b439126.38188c6d@aol.com>
References: <c2f.5b439126.38188c6d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001801ca57a3$fc94b3d0$f5be1b70$@com>

Ken,
 
I use 
 
http://wueko.wuerth.com/cgi-bin/wu_proddetailpdfframe.pl?7866521761545336210
9;SHOWDETAIL;;0893260100;0000;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;12567164421532
 
Same link, different written:
 
 
<http://wueko.wuerth.com/cgi-bin/wu_proddetailpdfframe.pl?786652176154533621
09;SHOWDETAIL;;0893260100;0000;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;12567164421532>
sealant
 
Cheers
Chris
 
Von: KENMUN at aol.com [mailto:KENMUN at aol.com] 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Oktober 2009 18:48
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Betreff: Re: [Fot] water in the oil
 
chris, thanks for the comments. what's the new sealant you're using? ken m.
 
In a message dated 10/24/2009 5:03:56 P.M. Atlantic Standard Time,
tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:
The block likes to crack at stud #9, often into the area above the tappets.
Difficult to weld.
To find out from where the water comes:
Remove the oil pan and have a look from down stairs into the engine.
Normally water drops are visible.
For the figure 8 gasket I use a thick coat of silicone to insulate the
gasket from contact with water to prevent corrosion. For the steel head
gasket I use a new sealant which worked fine 'till now.

Cheers
Chris

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Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von KENMUN at aol.com
Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Oktober 2009 21:08
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] water in the oil

fot, i just finished a rebuild on my tr3 race motor. i ran it for about 1
hr. and was very disappointed to find water in the oil. the water appears as

drops in the oil on top of the head. there is a milky film inside the
valve  cover, there was about 1 qrt of water that came out first when i
drained
the  oil. also the water seems to be leaking out at the rate of 1 table
spoon/day  even though the car isn't running. it has to be the figure 8
gasket,
the head  gasket or both right? any tests that i could run to find out
which? the motor is  87mm,10.5/1 cr, figure 8 gaskets with copper coat,
liners up
.004"/.005",  copper head gasket with a sealant. all ideas, tests,
theories, suggestions  welcome. anyone successfully running the composite
head
gasket with the head  milled to where the intake pocket is removed? thanks
for
the help, ken  m.
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Wed Oct 28 09:15:46 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:15:46 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Parts needed for projects............
Message-ID: <BLU116-W16585C6479B9B97252038090B80@phx.gbl>

Hello Gang,  My son has laid down the challenge that i can't get my TR4
running by June.  Rather than go through the pain and humiliation of paying
him 50 clams, I am willing to pay nearly any amount for the following parts
that are missing from the project.



(1) exhaust manifold for a '63 TR4.  I think it's the dopey early style most
racers throw away first.



(1) pair of SU carbs for the same.



I also need a pair of good early Spitfire Boot hinges to use as bonnet hinges
on my Elva.





Cheers Henry Morrison,  Snowy (today) Cedar Crest, NM


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Wed Oct 28 09:23:29 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:23:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] distributor advance
In-Reply-To: <4AE7A710.7040400@wi.rr.com>
References: <4AE7A710.7040400@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <195A75EA-904F-43CA-81F4-C87A2119D22A@comcast.net>

As the Mallory owners know, that distributor offers the option of a  
set of different colored springs of varying strength and length, along  
with a nice graph that charts out the advance vs RPM.  Pick your  
spring to match what you want.  I have done exactly what Richard  
suggests - advance goes from zero to full between a few hundred above  
idle,  and 3,000 RPM.   The actual amount of advance is dialed in  
separately through setting the advance limits on the base plate.

On Oct 27, 2009, at 10:06 PM, Richard Gehweiler wrote:

Just a note of clarification on my previous post, I was not referring  
to disabling the advance, merely timing the engine to give the desired  
amount of full advance at speed (3000 to 3500 RPM). You can easily  
start the engine, but because the engine (on the track) never gets  
below 4000 to 5000 RPM, the "advance curve" is not an issue. On the  
track, you are always at full advance. Why go through all the work of   
getting a distributor dialed in with the correct advance curve, if the  
engine lives at full advance?......This is for a race engine, a street  
engine is an entirely different matter.


Richard Gehweiler
Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd.
stonefield at wi.rr.com
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Wed Oct 28 11:13:35 2009
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:13:35 GMT
Subject: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
Message-ID: <20091028.131335.5204.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com>

When using a MSD 6AL box with a Mallory distributor I took out the mechanical
advance mechanism and installed a MSD electronic advance, which connects into
the 6AL.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "riverside" <riverside at southslope.net>
To: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>, "Mark J Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: Triumph Friends of <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:17:53 -0500

Anybody ever try is "Smokey's way"/
For serious race engines, Yunick said to ditch
the advance mechanism all together and
lock the thing down.  to start, start to spin engine
over w/ ign off , then turn on ign.
an MG twin cam point plate can be useful if
you can find one.


  art de armond


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>
To: "Mark J Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 distributor question - advice needed


> Pertronix also makes the entire distibutor for the 4 and 6.  Works great.
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
> wrote:
>> A pertronix unit replaces the points, it does nothing for the advance.
>> Get those weights and springs under the plate in working order.
>>
>> mjb.
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed Oct 28 11:24:30 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:24:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Parts needed for projects............
In-Reply-To: <BLU116-W16585C6479B9B97252038090B80@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU116-W16585C6479B9B97252038090B80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00709469-6397-4373-A614-25567498F758@bnj.com>

I've got some SU carbs, you're welcome to them. I also have various  
exhaust manifolds but they are for TR3. Any difference? The fabricated  
manifold for the Ambro is junk to me, would that work?

On Oct 28, 2009, at 8:15 AM, <dos_gusanos at msn.com> wrote:

> Hello Gang,  My son has laid down the challenge that i can't get my  
> TR4
> running by June.  Rather than go through the pain and humiliation of  
> paying
> him 50 clams, I am willing to pay nearly any amount for the  
> following parts
> that are missing from the project.
>
>
>
> (1) exhaust manifold for a '63 TR4.  I think it's the dopey early  
> style most
> racers throw away first.
>
>
>
> (1) pair of SU carbs for the same.
>
>
>
> I also need a pair of good early Spitfire Boot hinges to use as  
> bonnet hinges
> on my Elva.
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers Henry Morrison,  Snowy (today) Cedar Crest, NM
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From stutzmans at comcast.net  Wed Oct 28 17:54:11 2009
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:54:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
In-Reply-To: <4AE7A710.7040400@wi.rr.com>
References: <4AE7A710.7040400@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <98A21AA92B6241FA96A09ADC9BCCB6DD@ComputerPC>

locked out timing is not unusual in the racing world, but as Bill said it 
makes cars very hard to start because you are trying to start the car at 
30-35 degrees of advance.
Bruce
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Gehweiler" <mini at wi.rr.com>
To: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:06 PM
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"


> Just a note of clarification on my previous post, I was not referring to 
> disabling the advance, merely timing the engine to give the desired amount 
> of full advance at speed (3000 to 3500 RPM). You can easily start the 
> engine, but because the engine (on the track) never gets below 4000 to 
> 5000 RPM, the "advance curve" is not an issue. On the track, you are 
> always at full advance. Why go through all the work of  getting a 
> distributor dialed in with the correct advance curve, if the engine lives 
> at full advance?......This is for a race engine, a street engine is an 
> entirely different matter.
>
>
> Richard Gehweiler
> Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd.
> stonefield at wi.rr.com
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From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Oct 28 18:12:45 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:12:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
In-Reply-To: <98A21AA92B6241FA96A09ADC9BCCB6DD@ComputerPC>
References: <4AE7A710.7040400@wi.rr.com>
	<98A21AA92B6241FA96A09ADC9BCCB6DD@ComputerPC>
Message-ID: <07D009B62B8C4DCBAFCA9FDA1543C0B7@KasPC>

I certainly would not to give up looking at the advance curve and say it was 
all over at 3500 rpm.  There is more to it than that.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
To: "Richard Gehweiler" <mini at wi.rr.com>; "Triumph Friends of" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] "Smokey's way"


> locked out timing is not unusual in the racing world, but as Bill said it 
> makes cars very hard to start because you are trying to start the car at 
> 30-35 degrees of advance.
> Bruce
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Gehweiler" <mini at wi.rr.com>
> To: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:06 PM
> Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
>
>
>> Just a note of clarification on my previous post, I was not referring to 
>> disabling the advance, merely timing the engine to give the desired 
>> amount of full advance at speed (3000 to 3500 RPM). You can easily start 
>> the engine, but because the engine (on the track) never gets below 4000 
>> to 5000 RPM, the "advance curve" is not an issue. On the track, you are 
>> always at full advance. Why go through all the work of  getting a 
>> distributor dialed in with the correct advance curve, if the engine lives 
>> at full advance?......This is for a race engine, a street engine is an 
>> entirely different matter.
>>
>>
>> Richard Gehweiler
>> Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd.
>> stonefield at wi.rr.com
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 28 21:51:47 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:51:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up
Message-ID: <775933.68892.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI - there is a guy in South Dakota selling The TR4 ARP Head Stud kits on Ebay for $98.
item # 380164719252

nfi
Dennis


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Oct 29 02:43:31 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:43:31 +0100
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
In-Reply-To: <07D009B62B8C4DCBAFCA9FDA1543C0B7@KasPC>
References: <4AE7A710.7040400@wi.rr.com>
	<98A21AA92B6241FA96A09ADC9BCCB6DD@ComputerPC>
	<07D009B62B8C4DCBAFCA9FDA1543C0B7@KasPC>
Message-ID: <001401ca5873$e6177220$b2465660$@com>

I run a stock distributor and the car  is doing well. Take in account that
the car is sometimes running for a while at the pregrid and waiting for the
start. Small oil pressure with much advance could harm the bearings.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Kas Kastner
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Oktober 2009 01:13
An: Stutzman; Richard Gehweiler; Triumph Friends of
Betreff: Re: [Fot] "Smokey's way"

I certainly would not to give up looking at the advance curve and say it was

all over at 3500 rpm.  There is more to it than that.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
To: "Richard Gehweiler" <mini at wi.rr.com>; "Triumph Friends of"
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] "Smokey's way"


> locked out timing is not unusual in the racing world, but as Bill said it
> makes cars very hard to start because you are trying to start the car at
> 30-35 degrees of advance.
> Bruce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Gehweiler" <mini at wi.rr.com>
> To: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:06 PM
> Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
>
>
>> Just a note of clarification on my previous post, I was not referring to
>> disabling the advance, merely timing the engine to give the desired
>> amount of full advance at speed (3000 to 3500 RPM). You can easily start
>> the engine, but because the engine (on the track) never gets below 4000
>> to 5000 RPM, the "advance curve" is not an issue. On the track, you are
>> always at full advance. Why go through all the work of  getting a
>> distributor dialed in with the correct advance curve, if the engine lives

>> at full advance?......This is for a race engine, a street engine is an
>> entirely different matter.
>>
>>
>> Richard Gehweiler
>> Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd.
>> stonefield at wi.rr.com
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From jeff_durant at comcast.net  Thu Oct 29 10:00:43 2009
From: jeff_durant at comcast.net (jeff_durant at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:00:43 +0000
Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
In-Reply-To: <001401ca5873$e6177220$b2465660$@com>
References: <4AE7A710.7040400@wi.rr.com><98A21AA92B6241FA96A09ADC9BCCB6DD@ComputerPC><07D009B62B8C4DCBAFCA9FDA1543C0B7@KasPC><001401ca5873$e6177220$b2465660$@com>
Message-ID: <4533519-1256832019-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-253572476-@bda037.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

My TR6 runs a recurved 22D Lucas dist. and I've have had great luck with it.  I should mention that I own an Allen Distributor machine which makes the rebuilds and recurves pretty straightforward.  Too much advance is hard on the starter (also Lucas) and why disable a decent mechanical advance?  
Jeff Durant
TR6 #12
TR250
TR4A
BSA Lightning
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:43:31 
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] "Smokey's way"

I run a stock distributor and the car  is doing well. Take in account that
the car is sometimes running for a while at the pregrid and waiting for the
start. Small oil pressure with much advance could harm the bearings.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Kas Kastner
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Oktober 2009 01:13
An: Stutzman; Richard Gehweiler; Triumph Friends of
Betreff: Re: [Fot] "Smokey's way"

I certainly would not to give up looking at the advance curve and say it was

all over at 3500 rpm.  There is more to it than that.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
To: "Richard Gehweiler" <mini at wi.rr.com>; "Triumph Friends of"
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] "Smokey's way"


> locked out timing is not unusual in the racing world, but as Bill said it
> makes cars very hard to start because you are trying to start the car at
> 30-35 degrees of advance.
> Bruce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Gehweiler" <mini at wi.rr.com>
> To: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:06 PM
> Subject: [Fot] "Smokey's way"
>
>
>> Just a note of clarification on my previous post, I was not referring to
>> disabling the advance, merely timing the engine to give the desired
>> amount of full advance at speed (3000 to 3500 RPM). You can easily start
>> the engine, but because the engine (on the track) never gets below 4000
>> to 5000 RPM, the "advance curve" is not an issue. On the track, you are
>> always at full advance. Why go through all the work of  getting a
>> distributor dialed in with the correct advance curve, if the engine lives

>> at full advance?......This is for a race engine, a street engine is an
>> entirely different matter.
>>
>>
>> Richard Gehweiler
>> Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd.
>> stonefield at wi.rr.com
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Oct 29 10:55:41 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:55:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: Please Read-FOT Stickers & TR6 Hot Wheels]
Message-ID: <4AE9C90D.9060005@bradakis.com>

Joe made a slight error in the address he used when sending this out.

mjb.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Please Read-FOT Stickers & TR6 Hot Wheels
Date: 	Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:57:26 EDT
From: 	N197TR4 at cs.com

	



FOT,

Remember BARRY MUNSON'S introduction? He's the guy from Canada that 
races a P1800 and is preparing a TR3A.

He is so appreciative of being on the list that he sent me  about (30) 
of Competition TR6 Hot Wheel Models (new in package) for the purpose of 
distributing to the FOT!!!!

Dont ask if there is an array of colors.....be surprised!

Here is the deal!  I have an abundance of FOT stickers and we owe Joe 
Curry for them. You send me by PAYPAL or Check  $12.00 and you get (3) 
FOT stickers and (1) TR6 HOT WHEELS.

OUTCOMES:

You get three FOT Logos and one TR6 HOT WHEELS
Joe Curry gets his money back for the sticker inventory
The FOT fund gets EXPENSE MONEY associated with the KASTNER CUP
I get to sort all of this stuff out and ship.   (arrrrgh!)

Finally........We have some really cool guys in Canada, too.

Thanks Barry Munson

PayPal Account is    n197tr4 at cs.com

Address is:

645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648


From mpendy at dishmail.net  Thu Oct 29 23:45:36 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:45:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] conclusion to summer woes
Message-ID: <5F3B19944A8A4E41AABD80C92AF0C5FB@Pendys>

FOT'ers; This past season i seemed to have had a monkey on my back in regards
to ignition issues and fuel delivery, so this is a quick lo-down on what i
ended up finding. As you folks know from past discussion, my problems started
with a faulty crank-fired ign. coil base, the HPV-1 and this was diagnosed
into the third race of the season. After consulting YOU folks for input, i
decided to stay with the crank-fire set-up, it was a toss-up between
converting back to a distributor. So a newer version was purchased, the XDI,
same manufacturer and i actually did follow the instructions to a Tee.(
Yea-it's a first)  The new version has a remote module which i mounted in the
cockpit, and this module has a tiny little light the tells you if the coils
are fireing to the plugs, novel idea! The tiny little light must blink
RED-GREEN when your trying to start-up. Forward ahead, race four, car on
trailer, got time to throw a timeing light on just to to be sure, no start,
can't see this stupid tiny little light due to sun glare. Cranked on it till i
could fry a freeking egg on the starter. Race four? Never got off the
trailer.Fast forward, factory tech. guy says i have to many
grounds......oooookay.So i says, i followed the instr. to a Tee.......really!
Try this he says; take pos. battery cable straight to solinoid, (by-pass main
disc. sw.) solinoid to starter. Now take neg. batt. cable, tie-wrap to
pos.cable that i just ran to starter and ground it as close as possable to
starter. Take off engine to chassis grnd. and take off neg. batt. cable to
tranny mount. He kinda had an accent so i natureally only believed half of
what he was saying......wrong....car fired-up pronto AND that pretty little
light worked as it was supposed to, Gotta check the car out, only thing going
on was the Alfa Rameo track day, Forward,nice weather, car still has a bug at
WOT only on the straights, same thing all morning. Lunch time, to pissed to
eat, and everybody kept their dogs a fair distance from my pit. For peets-sake
, gotta be fuel, off come full bowl caps, check fuel, check floats,everything
good. LOUDSPEAKER, group 1 up, in a panick i pushed the float arms up into
oblivion, off we go, 1'st lap yellow, green comes down and
...................sweeeeeeeet. No kidding, every turn worker at the checkered
flag gave hoots and hollers and big two thumbs up to finally see the 'ol
hotrod tr do it's thing, till next time. Mark Pendy #65tr4


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri Oct 30 05:39:02 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:39:02 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Stickers & TR6 Hot Wheels
Message-ID: <c7c.5c958a52.381c2a56@cs.com>

FOT....I'll try this again....

Canada's Barry Munson donated about 30 Hot Wheels Competition TR6s to the 
FOT

We have about 100 finely produced Joe Curry FOT self-adhesive stickers

We have about 300 folks on this list...some of which would love to display 
the FOT sticker on their race car, tool chest or tow vehicle, if they had 
the opportunity.

I bagged three FOT stickers and the highly collectible TR6 in about (30) 
Zip-Lok bags yesterday and plan to dispense them all.  

It was Barry's intent to just hand the Hot Wheels out to the FOT randomly, 
but it is hard to hand 30 Hot Wheels fairly to 300 List members, so I 
concocted this scheme.

It would be nice if we heard from some folks who dont have any stickers. I 
have already heard from some folks who I know have plenty.

Thanks!   Joe A


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Fri Oct 30 07:40:37 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:40:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] conclusion to summer woes
In-Reply-To: <5F3B19944A8A4E41AABD80C92AF0C5FB@Pendys>
References: <5F3B19944A8A4E41AABD80C92AF0C5FB@Pendys>
Message-ID: <000901ca5966$908b8780$b1a29680$@com>

Just curious as to how you were grounded before?

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mark Pendergrass
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 12:46 AM
To: friends of triumph
Subject: [Fot] conclusion to summer woes

FOT'ers; This past season i seemed to have had a monkey on my back in
regards
to ignition issues and fuel delivery, so this is a quick lo-down on what i
ended up finding. As you folks know from past discussion, my problems
started
with a faulty crank-fired ign. coil base, the HPV-1 and this was diagnosed
into the third race of the season. After consulting YOU folks for input, i
decided to stay with the crank-fire set-up, it was a toss-up between
converting back to a distributor. So a newer version was purchased, the XDI,
same manufacturer and i actually did follow the instructions to a Tee.(
Yea-it's a first)  The new version has a remote module which i mounted in
the
cockpit, and this module has a tiny little light the tells you if the coils
are fireing to the plugs, novel idea! The tiny little light must blink
RED-GREEN when your trying to start-up. Forward ahead, race four, car on
trailer, got time to throw a timeing light on just to to be sure, no start,
can't see this stupid tiny little light due to sun glare. Cranked on it till
i
could fry a freeking egg on the starter. Race four? Never got off the
trailer.Fast forward, factory tech. guy says i have to many
grounds......oooookay.So i says, i followed the instr. to a
Tee.......really!
Try this he says; take pos. battery cable straight to solinoid, (by-pass
main
disc. sw.) solinoid to starter. Now take neg. batt. cable, tie-wrap to
pos.cable that i just ran to starter and ground it as close as possable to
starter. Take off engine to chassis grnd. and take off neg. batt. cable to
tranny mount. He kinda had an accent so i natureally only believed half of
what he was saying......wrong....car fired-up pronto AND that pretty little
light worked as it was supposed to, Gotta check the car out, only thing
going
on was the Alfa Rameo track day, Forward,nice weather, car still has a bug
at
WOT only on the straights, same thing all morning. Lunch time, to pissed to
eat, and everybody kept their dogs a fair distance from my pit. For
peets-sake
, gotta be fuel, off come full bowl caps, check fuel, check
floats,everything
good. LOUDSPEAKER, group 1 up, in a panick i pushed the float arms up into
oblivion, off we go, 1'st lap yellow, green comes down and
...................sweeeeeeeet. No kidding, every turn worker at the
checkered
flag gave hoots and hollers and big two thumbs up to finally see the 'ol
hotrod tr do it's thing, till next time. Mark Pendy #65tr4
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From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Oct 30 18:41:07 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:41:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander..
Message-ID: <9A1E7DC56857439FAF54500F29BBEA8C@Bud>

Hi joe,
I don't seem to have your email address in my address book...I want to give
you my cell # for when you're in the S.F. bay area
Racer Bud..
Spitfire # 21.....Sonoma, Ca.


From dave at microworks.net  Fri Oct 30 19:48:05 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:48:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Joe's Spit Bench
Message-ID: <20091031014909.9BCE1187654@autox.team.net>

I featured Joe Curry's Sput Bench on the cover of this month's newsletter.

November Issue: http://www.dctra.org/News/Nov2009.pdf

Newsletter Archive: http://www.dctra.org/?page_id=32


From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Oct 30 21:28:50 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:28:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Joe's Spit Bench
In-Reply-To: <20091031014909.9BCE1187654@autox.team.net>
References: <20091031014909.9BCE1187654@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <CC41C9586AEF49E28535E9346153280E@joepentiumnew>

It's a "Love Seat", Dave!  :)

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of David W. Riddle
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 6:48 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Joe's Spit Bench

I featured Joe Curry's Sput Bench on the cover of this month's newsletter.

November Issue: http://www.dctra.org/News/Nov2009.pdf

Newsletter Archive: http://www.dctra.org/?page_id=32
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From dave at microworks.net  Fri Oct 30 22:17:48 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:17:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] For the Military
Message-ID: <20091031041851.AB1CA187647@autox.team.net>

My Brother will be graduating from Army Basic this week and then he 
is off to Advanced Infantry School.  For those on the list(s) that 
have a Military background I saw this song referenced on the 
Blackfive milblog today.  iTunes proceeds go to a Military charity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTs6a0ORdQU


From Group44TR7 at aol.com  Sat Oct 31 07:26:31 2009
From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:26:31 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Joe's Spit Bench - "Love Seat"
Message-ID: <d3d.450f5e1f.381d9507@aol.com>

Frequented an eating  establishment back in Bayfield Wisconsin that was a  
daily breakfast hang out for local fisherman. Parked the car outside.  As I 
walked inside, I heard the last of the conversation about my car "So what  
if its attracts women, it ain't got a back seat, so what good is it?"  
Obviously, he would not have made that remark if I had Joe's "love  seat".  
 
        Under the circumstances -  with no love seat - I did the only thing 
possible. I returned the next  morning at the same time with my date for 
the weekend knowing the same  group of fisherman would be there. My date, who 
was a 5' 10"  model, was very sporting about the whole situation. She could 
not have  played the situation any better from her choice of clothes to her 
hanging on me  as we walked to the door. As we entered the establishment, I 
looked directly at  the man who made the remark, at which point the other 
fisherman at his  table erupted with laughter. 
 
        Cary


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Oct 31 08:59:06 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:59:06 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Joe's Spit Bench - "Love Seat"
Message-ID: <c6a.5e8d0d82.381daaba@cs.com>

You betcha, Cary, 

But did you catch any fish?


> Frequented an eating  establishment back in Bayfield Wisconsin that was a 
>  
> daily breakfast hang out for local fisherman. Parked the car outside.  As 
> I 
> walked inside, I heard the last of the conversation about my car "So what  
> if its attracts women, it ain't got a back seat, so what good is it?"  
> Obviously, he would not have made that remark if I had Joe's "love  seat". 
>  
> 
>         Under the circumstances -  with no love seat - I did the only 
> thing 
> possible. I returned the next  morning at the same time with my date for 
> the weekend knowing the same  group of fisherman would be there. My date, 
> who 
> was a 5' 10"  model, was very sporting about the whole situation. She 
> could 
> not have  played the situation any better from her choice of clothes to 
> her 
> hanging on me  as we walked to the door. As we entered the establishment, 
> I 
> looked directly at  the man who made the remark, at which point the other 
> fisherman at his  table erupted with laughter. 
> 
>         Cary
> _______________________________________________


From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Oct 31 09:08:24 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:08:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] For the Military
References: <20091031041851.AB1CA187647@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <78BFF62AFE9D4F7DA41FAA428E8172DA@Bud>

May god Bless your brother...Please  tell him that I appreciate what he is 
doing for the Free World
Racer Bud  Spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>
To: <members at dctra.org>; <fot at autox.team.net>; 
"wheeltowheel at wheeltowheel.com" <WHEELTOWHEEL at racer.net>
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 9:17 PM
Subject: [Fot] For the Military


> My Brother will be graduating from Army Basic this week and then he is off 
> to Advanced Infantry School.  For those on the list(s) that have a 
> Military background I saw this song referenced on the Blackfive milblog 
> today.  iTunes proceeds go to a Military charity.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTs6a0ORdQU
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From jimhearn1 at comcast.net  Sat Oct 31 19:29:49 2009
From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:29:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Broken or cracked diff mount
Message-ID: <000401ca5a92$cdcd2860$b1191718@computer>

I have been here before asking about vibrations I am having.  They are
getting worse to the point of bad.  It is in the drive train and not in the
tires.  There is nothing I can see but now I am wondering if off and on
(mostly on now) vibrations can be associated with a broken or cracked diff
mount.  Thanks.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat]


From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 31 20:05:42 2009
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:05:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 oil cooler advice needed
Message-ID: <990103.26601.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I got a lot of good ideas from the radiator questions from the forum.  I also
need some thoughts on an oil cooler.  I have a very old oil cooler on the
car that looks like I should not use. I am looking for advice on what oil
cooler to run along with the fitting/hose size.  Also where should I mount.
it?   

Thanks.
Mike Mehl


From fasttrs at mindspring.com  Sat Oct 31 21:24:37 2009
From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:24:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Street headers
Message-ID: <E1N4Q7W-0003xB-Tw@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

A friend of mine is looking for a header for his 66 TR4A street car. 

He is not impressed with the quality of the Moss header. Are there other
sources for a better quality header?

 

Mike


From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sat Oct 31 22:14:44 2009
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:14:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Craigslist: (2) 1960's ERA Triumph TR-4 Engines! - $150
 (Dover, N.H.)
Message-ID: <4AED0B34.6030503@greenheart.com>

I stumbled upon this on Craigslist...  thought I'd share it with the 
group....  (I have no connection with the seller and I'm not in N.H.!)  
--Justin

http://nh.craigslist.org/pts/1417134337.html


From bownes at seiri.com  Sat Oct 31 22:28:47 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:28:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Broken or cracked diff mount
In-Reply-To: <000401ca5a92$cdcd2860$b1191718@computer>
References: <000401ca5a92$cdcd2860$b1191718@computer>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330910312128l51fb962fl2d2568745a57441a@mail.gmail.com>

I don't recall what kind of car you have, but in the TR6 (or the IRS 4's) a
cracked diff mount comes across as a thunk or thud as you get on or off the
gas.

A vibration is usually going to be associated with a rotating part. Wheel,
axle, driveshaft, or the like.

Bob


On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:29 PM, jim hearn <jimhearn1 at comcast.net> wrote:

> I have been here before asking about vibrations I am having.  They are
> getting worse to the point of bad.  It is in the drive train and not in the
> tires.  There is nothing I can see but now I am wondering if off and on
> (mostly on now) vibrations can be associated with a broken or cracked diff
> mount.  Thanks.
>
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Sat Oct 31 23:47:50 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:47:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Broken or cracked diff mount
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 Have you taken a real good look at the u-joints ??
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "robert bownes" <bownes at seiri.com>
To: "jim hearn" <jimhearn1 at comcast.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken or cracked diff mount


>I don't recall what kind of car you have, but in the TR6 (or the IRS 4's) a
> cracked diff mount comes across as a thunk or thud as you get on or off 
> the
> gas.
>
> A vibration is usually going to be associated with a rotating part. Wheel,
> axle, driveshaft, or the like.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:29 PM, jim hearn <jimhearn1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I have been here before asking about vibrations I am having.  They are
>> getting worse to the point of bad.  It is in the drive train and not in 
>> the
>> tires.  There is nothing I can see but now I am wondering if off and on
>> (mostly on now) vibrations can be associated with a broken or cracked 
>> diff
>> mount.  Thanks.
>>
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>> a
>> name of winmail.dat]
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